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Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

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Cristina: From the spirit realm? We're in the spirit realm now?

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: In our excavation. We've been looking, researching, doing things, and now we're reporting from the spirit realm because I've decided.

Cristina: So what, did you send us here?

Jack: Yes, with my mind.

Cristina: With your mind.

Jack: With the power of imagination.

Cristina: Amazing. Amazing. So you remember that time a few months ago where we talked about the moon on the Halloween episode?

Jack: Right. What about it?

Cristina: That the full moons had names and I mentioned two of them. The harvest moon and the. What was the other one? The harvest moon and the hunter's moon. Well, I want to talk about the other names because they all have names.

Jack: Right? What are the names?

Cristina: This month, the moon will be called the worm moon. The full moon will be called the worm moon for this month because worms begin to appear.

Jack: Worms begin to appear?

Cristina: Yes, because they've been hibernating, I guess. Worms hibernate, I'm assuming. Yes. They hide from the cold the whole time. And now it's time for them to come out and do wormy stuff out here. I don't know why they would pop out. Why would they pop out?

Jack: I don't know. I don't think they get anything from over the dirt.

Cristina: They want to be eaten by birds. They're making a sacrifice to their bird gods.

Jack: Could be. Can you Imagine, probably.

Cristina: That's crazy. Like, what reason do they have? But, yes, they come out. And next month is the pink moon because there's flowers. Pink flowers on the ground. Not just. I mean, there's other flowers, but they pop up in May. That's why May is the flower moon.

Jack: But I'm definitely positive that other flowers come out in the pink moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but I bet pink flowers are more often. I don't know how they came up with that. Maybe the pink flowers probably disappear by the time the flower moon appears. There's no pink flowers in May.

Jack: No, there's definitely pink flowers throughout the whole year.

Cristina: Throughout the whole year? Yeah. There's pink flowers everywhere in winter.

Jack: Well, when there's flowers, there's pink flowers.

Cristina: Yes. And then in June is the strawberry moon because the strawberries are ready to be picked. And Ian. And in July is the buck moon, because the bucks are growing new antlers. And then on August is the sturgeon moon, which is a large fish found in the Great Lakes. And they're easily caught this time of year because I guess they're coming out of hibernation. I don't know what's happening in August. Or they're mating. Maybe that's their mating season. So they're all together and so they're easier to catch.

Jack: That's probably what happens. I'm sure that they're in mating seasons. Animals are easiest to catch because they are in larger numbers together trying to find one another.

Cristina: Yeah. Then the harvest moon, of course, is September or October. And then the corn moon is on September, which is the time to harvest corn. Delicious.

Jack: So corn doesn't grow year round.

Cristina: This is when they stop. Well, I guess this is the last time you can get corn before they don't grow anymore. And then the October is the hunter's moon because you're preparing to go hunting for the last time, also to prepare for winter. And then in November is beaver moon, because they're more active building their dams, their winter homes.

Jack: The dams are for winter?

Cristina: I think so. That's what I like to believe, that the dams are where they live for the winter. I don't know if they live in the dams, but angry beaver makes me believe that they live in those dams. They become more active in building their winter dams in preparation for the cold season. But why do they need their winter dams?

Jack: Oh, I guess it is to go vibernant.

Cristina: They're just obsessed with the dams. And then December is code moon, because winter is beginning. January is wolf moon, because the wolves are howling. Because they're hungry maybe. Or they're calling for each other. Like it's time to go out and hunt or to get together and what's the other thing? And mate.

Jack: Mate. Could be. It seems like mating would probably be reasonable around when animals are contacting one another.

Cristina: Yeah. And then February is the snow moon because a lot of snow. The heaviest snowfalls happen in the middle of winter, which is usually February. Around February Sounds legit. Yep, yep. And those are the incredible names of the HFU moons. And the moon is interesting because of how people all over the world see the moon as being something special.

Jack: Like religions. Like religions and Islam and old school Christians and Native Americans and pretty much every culture underdeveloped at some point. Indigenous people.

Cristina: Yeah. There's a bunch of themes and beliefs they have for the moon that they have in common, even if they're not all like the exact same story told over and over. There's like themes that match around what the moon represents. The easiest one is like the phases of the moon symbolizing birth and death. Because the changing of the phases of the moon is like a cycle. So it's just the moon represents many different types of cycles like birth and death and creation and destruction and things like that. It also symbolizes immortality and eternity because gods are immortal. And so the moon is. There's a few stories that have to do with the moon being a place where the elixir of life is at. For some reason, or at least in two stories there seems to be. So I don't know why the moon has it, but it has something to do with the phases of the moon. Like it's water, because they can control the water on Earth, they see the moon as water as well. So it's the elixir of life itself. Like it's the actual bottle that the gods are drinking. And people also see as comparing it to the stages of humans life. Like the new moon is the infant and the waning moon is the decline of life. Like it's dying, then it's coming back to life, like, you know, rebirth and that stuff. And that stuff appears in many of their stories.

Jack: Many whose stories?

Cristina: Many different stories that I will talk about. But first I want to talk about Khonsu, the Egyptian God of the moon. His name means traveler. And he's also thought of the as a pathfinder and defender. He guides and protects those who travel at night against wild animals and thieves and whatever the dangerous things that are out there.

Jack: Right. Why do they believe that?

Cristina: Why do they believe he protects them yes, because he guides them well, the moon itself is guiding them. They're using the moon's light to help them. So they believe whatever is in control of the moon, which I guess is that God. It's him that's helping them through the moon.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: That's helping them.

Jack: You know symbolism.

Cristina: Yes, yes. That's why I think a lot of people see with the moon is like it's symbolizing something else. It's not the actual God, but it's like the God has some control over the moon as an object.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's a celestial object.

Cristina: Mm. This God has. Is sometimes a young man, but sometimes he's a hawk headed man. Because a lot of their gods have, you know, animal heads. But I wonder because he is also a lot of.

Jack: Whose gods?

Cristina: Egyptian gods.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: Have animal heads, but they also show him as a young man. So I don't know about other gods, but I wonder if they also have human forms and animal headed forms. Forms. I don't know how, because I know there's also.

Jack: There are animal headed forms.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, do they have both? Like this guy, he has both a human form and then the hawk head form. Do all the gods behave like that? Because there's also gods that have three different body animal parts. Do they also have a human part or a complete human form? But I'm not sure about that. I'm just curious about that. Okay. And he is also the God of time. He's also seen as a God of healing. He's healed the pharaoh, or they say he healed the pharaoh. He also, before they saw him as this kind God that heals and protects. He was a bloodthirsty God who helped the dying king catch and eat other gods.

Jack: Other gods?

Cristina: Yes, other gods.

Jack: A God who would catch gods to feed to a king?

Cristina: Yes, a dying king.

Jack: Why do they believe that?

Cristina: That was the story written super long ago. I don't know if they have the explanation for that, but that was like written on Egyptian coffin thing. That's where they get a lot of these ancient stories, man.

Jack: I wonder if we truly understand what these hieroglyphs say.

Cristina: Yeah, like that's. That's probably a problem. Like, are we reading them right?

Jack: Are we reading them at all? Are we making up what we're saying?

Cristina: Are we making? Exactly, yes. Are we making. Because it's just pictures.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We're applying meaning to pictures. We find we have people who believe they're experts at piecing together other people's pictures. Yet to this day, we consider art up to interpretation. So how the f*** do we consider that not just to be up to interpretation? We just sell s*** like it's fact?

Cristina: Huh? So I guess this story could totally be untrue. I mean, if people nowadays see him as a good guy, maybe he was always a good guy. And this one guy who read this story was like, nah.

Jack: Or maybe he was always a bad guy.

Cristina: Where he was always a bad guy and people just changed their opinion on him over time.

Jack: Not necessarily their opinion, just whoever's reading the thing at any given moment. Because we don't know what it says.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or even if it says anything. Or even if it could just be drawings.

Cristina: It could just be drawings, huh? Maybe. And then there's Artemis, the Greek God. And also Diana, I think, is the other one that's. She's not Greek, she's the Roman God. But they're almost equal in a lot of ways. They pretty much symbolize the exact same things, even though they're from different cultures, they're from different locations. Greek, Roman. Yeah. So Artemis is a Greek God. She's the goddess of hunt, wilderness, wild animals, chastity, and the moon. She is the daughter of Zeus and Leto and the twin sister of Apollo. She's known to have the ability to give diseases to young women who disobey her instructions. But she also has the ability to heal young girls that were ill.

Jack: So the God of women.

Cristina: Yeah, the God of women also. Yeah. I don't know why she's the God of moon. I think somehow moon and women somehow relate. I just don't know how the two relate.

Jack: They're probably attaching menstrual cycles to it.

Cristina: Yes, that's probably it. That's a very important thing. In a lot of these religions and things. They connect the menstrual cycle with the moon. And according to a Greek legend, there was the queen of Thebes. Her name was Niobe, who I guess made fun of their mom. Artemis and her brother Niobe had more children than Leto, so she was making fun of her, I guess. And then the two kids decided, well, this isn't right, and then they murdered her children. I like that story. She made fun of their mom because their mom only had two kids, which is the twins. And Niobe, who made fun of Leto, had 14 children. So they murdered all 14 children. So now Leto has more children than Niobe, who was making fun of her.

Jack: This is a good thing or a bad thing? Where does it stand with people?

Cristina: I don't know. I just think it's an interesting story.

Jack: Like gods killing other gods.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, no. Naobi was a regular lady. She was the queen of thieves. She was a queen.

Jack: Niobe is not a God.

Cristina: No, she's a queen. She's human. And she made fun of a God. I guess that's the big thing, is, like, you don't make fun of gods or their children will get revenge.

Jack: Naomi's children got killed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: She had 14 children. They're all dead now. Or they're dead. Yep. So that's cool. I mean, Artemis has done a bunch of other violent things, but that was the most interesting one, I thought. Not very moon related. But there's Har. It's like, for that one at least for her, I couldn't really find anything about the moon relating to her. But a lot of other gods definitely have stories relating why they are the representation of the moon, or whatever you want to call it, the God of the moon. There's Mani, the Norse personification of the moon. He is the God of the moon and he's the brother of the goddess of the sun, who. Her name is Sol. Both Sol and Mani are being chased endlessly by a pair of wolves. I think you know the story. They're destined to be caught and devoured by the wolves at Ragnarok. Because the wolves, I think, are the children of Loki.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If I'm getting that. That's right. Okay. Yes. I thought that was interesting. Yep. They're just constantly. They're moving around in the sky, running from the wolves.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense. That's why they're moving in the sky at all.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lunar eclipse is thought of when one of the wolves was very close to Mani, the moon God, like he was about to eat him.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But of course he doesn't. So that's why he comes back. But that's a really interesting way to explain that. So he's not the moon. But it's interesting because he's not the only one who does this. But he's steering a chariot in the sky, which I guess is part of the moon. I'm not sure. But he's not the only moon God that's steering a chariot. And I forgot where that other guy was from. I think he is the Hindu God, but I might be wrong. But I think he is also steering a chariot, which I don't know where they got these two ideas. They're very far from each other, aren't they? Hindu? And I don't know.

Jack: Where did Norse mythology happen?

Cristina: Where did it happen in Norse. That's not a location. No, in Scotland. And the phases of the moon were said to represent his endless running from the wolf, you know, trying to avoid him. And that's why the moon changes, because it's like. I don't. He's guiding the moon. The moon is with him and is changing its side depending on how he's moving. Right? That sounds right.

Jack: Got it. So they're running together.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So there's many moon folklore around the world. Many. And we're going to start in Native American folklore. Native Americans see the sun and the moon as a leader and his wife and the stars are their children. The sun loves to catch and eat his children, which are the stars, and they flee from the sky. When, you know the morning is coming. The stars are disappearing because they're running from the sun. And then at night, the moon comes, and he's. It's playing with the. Or I guess she's playing with the stars, the children, while the sun is asleep. But once a month, she turns her face because she's mourning for the children that were caught from the sun. And when she's mourning is when it's a new moon. The new moon would be her turning her back, I guess, from the world because she's crying.

Jack: No, that's crazy. So they think the sun is a murderer.

Cristina: A lot of these stories, the son is a murderer, and one of them, the son is a rapist to his.

Jack: Sister, which is the moon.

Cristina: Yes. In Nigeria, there are people that believe the sun and the moon are husband and wife. Long ago, they lived on earth, and then their best friend, the flood, came over to visit their house.

Jack: And then the flood?

Cristina: Yes, the flood. A flood. I don't know why they were friends with the flood, but it came over their house, and they couldn't stay in their house because they would drown. So they ended up having to go into the sky, and now they live there.

Jack: So the flood isn't like their enemy?

Cristina: I would think it would be, but they considered it their best friend. I guess they don't think of him as their best friend anymore.

Jack: And what Nigerian culture believes this?

Cristina: The epic Ebiboio people of Nigeria, is.

Jack: That like a tribe? Is it a religion?

Cristina: A tribe? A tribe of people in Nigeria believe this. A lot of these are from tribes. Another one in Kenya, the Luiya. The Luiya people believe the sun and moon are brothers. The moon was older, bigger, and brighter, and the sun got jealous and picked a fight with him. Then during the fight, the moon fell into Mud. And that's why it's dimmer now. And I guess that also explains the dark of it. You know, the spots that I have that people see things on the moon sometimes. The craters. Yeah, yeah. So that's explaining why the moon isn't as bright as the sun.

Jack: Moon is just dirty.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, and also God told them to stop fighting and kept them apart by ordering the sun to only be around here during the day and the moon at night.

Jack: Which doesn't happen.

Cristina: Which doesn't happen. Well, they try, I guess. I don't.

Jack: The moon and sun are regularly together.

Cristina: Well, they're trying to fight each other again, but no one. I wonder if that eclipse for them then when they're about to fight each other again.

Jack: Well, no, because there's many, many times that the moon is out during the.

Cristina: Daylight, but that's when it's going back home or going back is leaving while the sun is coming.

Jack: That doesn't work that way.

Cristina: No. Well, that's how they're seeing it happening.

Jack: Right, but how do they interpret when it's broad the middle daylight.

Cristina: Oh, and they see the shadow of the moon.

Jack: No, they literally see the moon in the middle of daylight as well.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe they don't see it as the moon.

Jack: They think that's a different rock.

Cristina: Yes, it's a different rock. And then in. In the Indonesia island of Hava, there are a tribe there that think there's a moon goddess who came to Earth to bathe in a lake. And while she was bathing, a man stole her swan feathers because she does the thing that werewolves do and she's just wearing a swan. I guess she was a swan when she landed. She took it off, she became human. The guy stole the swan feathers so she couldn't leave back to the sky. So she married the man.

Jack: So no more moon.

Cristina: Well, no, that's not the end of the story. And then she did end up finding her swan feathers and now she can return to the sky. But she has children here. So she'll go back to the sky at night and then come spend the daytime hours on Earth with her husband and their daughter.

Jack: Interesting. And does anybody believe they knew who this woman was?

Cristina: They probably know her right now. Like she probably doesn't die. Unless there's a story explaining why she's not there. No, no more. Maybe they suspect someone to be her.

Jack: Yeah, like basically the difference between God and like Jesus, except it's continuous. So like God is up there, but randomly he's not. So sometimes people Just. Well, I don't feel the spirit of God. Oh, he must be on earth today.

Cristina: Really? That's the thing.

Jack: No, I'm using an example.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Well, that would be really interesting if there was stories like that though. But I thought it was interesting that she had a swan outfit. Like, I wonder how many different creatures they saw as just people in disguise.

Jack: Or I guess not in disguise, but rather they have like a magic get up.

Cristina: Yeah. Or are they magical creatures that have human skin under their fur or something? I don't. I don't really understand how it works because she. She's a moon, but she dresses into a swan and then she looks like a human. So when she's back, like what turns her from one to the other?

Jack: Taking it off.

Cristina: She takes off her human skin and turns into the moon?

Jack: No, putting. I guess she's just human with powers. Putting on the swan outfit makes her the moon.

Cristina: maybe. I don't know. It's weird, but. Yes, but that's interesting that a bunch of stories used to be like that. I don't think there's anything like that anymore. Like the werewolves came from stories like that of men with for belts or whatever. And then they turned into werewolves.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah. So. But. And now they're just werewolves. They don't need anything. They just. Full moon. Hey, full moon. But alright. In Siberia, the story of why the moon is scarred, they believe that it's fang marks left from this thing called. I think that's how you say it. And he's a monster with huge black wings. He's the personification of the darkness of the sky. And he feeds on the moon every night. He's just slowly devouring it for the whole month. But the problem is that he can't actually eat the moon. Like eating the moon upsets his stomach. So by the end he ends up vomiting the moon. And then piece by piece the moon comes back because he vomited out. And that explains also why the moon.

Jack: Has phases and then he eats it again. So he's eating his vomit?

Cristina: Essentially, yes.

Jack: It's a sort of God creature that's consistently eating his vomit for all of eternity.

Cristina: Because it's delicious, it's addicting. It's the most addicting vomit he's ever had.

Jack: It's the only vomit he's ever had. Yeah, it's been happening for eternity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the perpetual cycle of vomiting.

Cristina: Yeah, that's disgusting. But who knows? Maybe it's delicious, I don't know. But he keeps doing it so it must be delicious, right? And then in. In Serbia, they probably. What's the oldest explanation for why we say the moon is made of cheese? Which is there was a wolf chasing a fox. The fox convinced the wolf that there was a block of cheese in the bottom of a pond. And the wolf didn't realize that it was just the reflection of the moon. So he went to drink the pond and eventually he blew up.

Jack: But he explains, he blew up because there were explosives in the pond.

Cristina: He was just so filled with water. He just kept drinking. He just never stopped because he needed that cheese. I don't know why he thought that cheese would be better than that fox, though. Like fox or cheese for wolf.

Jack: Maybe wolves love cheese.

Cristina: Maybe wolves loves cheese.

Jack: Maybe that's their s***.

Cristina: He exploded for that. He drank all that water for some cheese. What?

Jack: Maybe cheese is rare for fox, for wolves. Maybe cheese is rare for wolves.

Cristina: Don't they have good smells? Can he smell that? There's no cheese.

Jack: Not under the water.

Cristina: Mmm. Well, yes, he blew up. And it's amazing. And that's probably one of the oldest stories of why the moon is made out of cheese. Although I think people also see the moon as cheese somehow. Like they see it as different things. They see different things on the moon, I guess, like the craters look like cheese hose. But also a lot of people say the man on the moon, they see a face of a man on the.

Jack: Moon, this super epic. One time when the lunar rover landed and it sent back that weird message and they were like, what? And then they aimed the telescope that zoomed in like crazy. And they found a castle made of cheese. And the rover was like, I do not compute. And they were like, sir, Captain of NASA, there's a cheese castle up there. And we discovered the cheese people that day.

Cristina: I thought that we made that cheese castle. No, that had nothing to do with us.

Jack: That had nothing to do with us.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: That cheese castle.

Cristina: We just have cheese people living on the moon.

Jack: Cheese people living on the moon? Well, they're not people made of cheese, but we call them cheese people because they're people who make things of cheese.

Cristina: That's disgusting.

Jack: They go out of their way to breed farm cows.

Cristina: So there's cows on the moon?

Jack: Yes, on the dark side of the moon.

Cristina: That's why they keep the cows.

Jack: That's where they keep the cows. See, what people don't understand is that the moon isn't real.

Cristina: What? But then how about everything we just said?

Jack: Well, that's not the moon. The moon Wasn't like a natural creation. The moon was put there by them. By them. It's a spaceship.

Cristina: It's a spaceship. And they. That's why they kidnap our cows?

Jack: Yes. The cows get taken to the moon to make infrastructure with their milk.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Facts. You could go to the library of the Freemasons and find this.

Cristina: Nah. If they're stealing our cows, it's cuz they love cheese. They love eating cheese. There's no way that they need cheese to build things with.

Jack: They eat their buildings.

Cristina: No, that's crazy. That's crazy. How did they get this far if they're living in cheesy buildings?

Jack: They also. They're aliens. They figured out the formula to preserve cheese forever.

Cristina: They love cheese that much. They're just obsessed with cheese. That's amazing.

Jack: To be fair, if we travel far enough in an infinite universe, eventually, like, every possibility should happen. So there should be a region of space where there's a planet of people who build things of cheese. That should be a real thing, like just based on science.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mathematically speaking, the numbers tell us there should be somewhere in the universe where there are cheese structures. So that wolf wasn't far off?

Cristina: That wolf wasn't far off, I guess. I wish. Where are these aliens? Where are they? Where's the whale alien that's just swimming through space? If you can describe it that way, that'd be awesome. Yes. Yes, it would.

Jack: Maybe it's out there and we just. We suck at looking at space. We pretend we're awesome, but, like, maybe it's floating out there. We don't even see it.

Cristina: I know. It's so crazy. There could be mad stuff.

Jack: There's probably a bunch of s*** living inside the meteor belt.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Although the meteor bell is also not as close together as movies would pretend they are.

Cristina: Yeah, but they could be living in there. I mean, how do we examine that? Do we even look at that?

Jack: We can't really see anything in there.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there could be things in there.

Jack: What, they think there's a planet in there.

Cristina: They think they don't even know.

Jack: Nope. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's one of those things that, like, there's gravity doing something weird there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we were like, well, what could explain it? Boom. Planet.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So. Man, we suck. Especially looking at things around us. Like, we do a better job looking at other star systems.

Jack: We do a really s***** job of looking at other star systems. We're worse than that.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. We just happen to have picked Something we could already aim at. But how much s*** are we not aiming at? The further out, the less we could see.

Cristina: Oh man. So is there a specific spot before, like that is a perfect space that we could see of, or is that not a thing. Everything's just crap.

Jack: Yeah, we just have certain spots that we favor. Okay, but we miss 99.99% of everything in space. Of course, even in our observable distance, we see almost none of it.

Cristina: Then why do we cry about there not being any aliens? We can hardly see anything.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because we figured.

Jack: We figured they would come to us.

Cristina: I can't. Ah. Like we just got blind and we're looking around the room and they're like, why isn't there anyone here? And there's probably someone right there trying to help us guide. Like trying to walk us to the right direction. And we're not paying attention to them.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: In Greenland, the Inuits believe that their moon God raped his sister, the sun goddess, and that every night he chases her to possess her again. And he also, the whole time he's starving as he runs, getting smaller and smaller every night until he disappears. And then he slowly comes back to his full self in like, I think they say, like three days. That whole time he's taking a break to eat and he's full again. Which is another explanation of the moon phases.

Jack: Interesting. But it takes way more than three days.

Cristina: Oh, it's not. Okay, how many days does it take?

Jack: From 15 in either direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: On average it takes about 15 days for a moon to fully dissipate and another 15 to come back. That's why there's only one full moon a month.

Cristina: Okay, well then he takes a 15 day break to eat and then he chases his sister, I guess to rape her again. What a beautiful story. I wonder where they get that story from. How random. It could be anything. Chasing anyone. Chasing anyone for any reason.

Jack: Does it take 15 days?

Cristina: So he eats for 15 days, but he takes a three day break to eat to be full, and then he continues on running after her. That makes sense because you see the full moon three for about three days.

Jack: Before it's visibly shrinking.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So. And during that time is when he's feeding to chase her again. Yay. And then in Africa, there's several indigenous peoples around the continent that call the moon God MAU MAU. And Mawu's companion is the sun goddess, Lisa. And. Oh, and when they meet and make love, they make an eclipse. And also they created the World. Their son Gu is the smith God. They used him to shape the universe. And also there's a serpent, his name is Da, who helped them during the creation, which I thought was interesting because you mentioned there's serpents everywhere in different stories.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So here's the serpent. And so Muwu was the goddess of night, joy and motherhood. And Lisa was the God of day, heat and strength. And in Aztec, there was a moon goddess. Her name is very complicated, but it means the Golden Bells. She was the daughter of the earth goddess and the sister of the sun God. And golden bells encouraged her 400 sisters and brothers to kill their mother. I don't know why, but she wanted her mom dead. But when she was planning, when she was about to do that, her mom gave birth to her brother, the sun God. When he was born, he was an adult already and he saved her life. And then he cut off his sister's head and threw it into the sky and it formed into the moon. How cool is that?

Jack: So he turned out to be the killer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And also, are the brother and sisters the stars?

Cristina: Maybe. I feel like it. 400 sisters and brothers. I don't know what they were, but they must be. Right. But what's the mom? Because usually the mom is. Everyone is something in the story. And in this one, except the sister.

Jack: Was not the moon yet.

Cristina: She was just the moon goddess. Or maybe she became the moon goddess after this. Whatever. Now she's the moon. That's the important thing. She is the moon for trying to kill her mommy. And in Hindu, Soma represents the God of the moon. And he rides through the sky in a chariot drawn by white horses, which is similar to the Egyptian God Mari from the Norse mythology also had a chariot. So I thought that was interesting that two different places had the moon on chariot, or the moon God on chariot. Soma was also named the elixir of immortality. That was the name of it. And only the gods can drink it. And it was stored in the moon in. Yes.

Jack: The moon is just an alcohol container.

Cristina: Yes. And when the gods drink the moon, that's when the moon wanes because the gods are drinking away some of its properties. Because it's the actual liquid in the moon that's being poured out into the gods. In New Zealand, there are people called the Mari people who see a girl in a bucket on the moon. And their explanation for that is that there was a lady who was carrying a bucket of water to her children in a cloudy night. And in a moment the clouds covered the moon and she tripped and fell. So then she cursed at the moon for her falling. And then the moon heard that and got angry. So he cursed it, cursed the Mari people. And then it grabbed the girl. The grabbed the lady and the bucket and threw her to the moon. Or I guess he kidnapped her.

Jack: The moon kidnapped the lady?

Cristina: Yes. So that's why they see the lady with the bucket on the moon. Because she was still holding the bucket when he took her.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. It's strange the different things people see on the moon.

Jack: Yes, it's really weird.

Cristina: Also, when the girl's upset, she. When she drops her bucket on the moon, it rains. That explains, because they were explaining the rain and stuff on the Earth. It comes from the moon, I guess, to them.

Jack: And it's what happens when it rains on a moonless day.

Cristina: What happens when it rains on a moonless day? They're like, the moon is out there no matter what. We're scientists like that. We know it's there.

Jack: It's just hiding.

Cristina: It's just hiding. The Japanese people believe that the moon is a fortune telling God. So the priests that want to fortune tell would study the moon's reflection on Amera because they believed if they looked into the moon that it would drive them crazy. So it's like a superstition about the moon.

Jack: So they would just not look at the moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but just the reflection on the mirror because they thought it would drive them crazy.

Jack: Because meanwhile looking at the sun. A. Okay.

Cristina: Yes, it's perfectly fine. But it's interesting because a lot of people think the moon drives people crazy. So it's a different story, a different version of.

Jack: That's how werewolves happen.

Cristina: Just like werewolves, it's just people going mad. And Shinto, the moon God Tsukiyumi, was born out of the right eye of a ancient being. And he used to live in the heavens with his sister, the sun God, Amaterasu. But she asked him to represent her to the goddess of food, whose name is Yukimashi. To celebrate, the goddess of food offered him a meal, and she created the meal from her mouth and nose. He thought that was disgusting, so he killed her. But then when his sister learned about what he did, she was so angry that she didn't want to see him anymore. And since then, the brother and sister live apart, and they take turns being in the sky.

Jack: So broken up family.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep. Such a strange. Like he was born out of an eyeball and he was disgusted by this lady who made food out of her mouth and nose. But I'm Sure. Her nose and mouth would grow back. Like, she's the God of food. I'm sure the food is fine, right? I don't know, but. Or maybe it's not. I don't know. I don't know anything about gods. Okay.

Jack: Perfection. The food should be amazing.

Cristina: It should be like, she's the God of food. This is her thing. She's known for this. Why would you be disgusted? Like, why not at least give it a try? I would think you could trust it, but I don't know. Then there's the Mayan people. They have a old goddess. I mean, their moon goddess is an old lady. Her name is Ixchel. I think it means the lady rainbow. She was depicted as an old lady wearing a skirt with cross bones. And she had a serpent in her hand. Look at that, a serpent showing up. Anyway, she had the assistant sky serpent, whom they believe carried the waters of heavens in its belly, because the moon and water, the serpent is carrying the water. Okay. And she also carries a jug filled with water as well, which she uses to send floods and powerful rainstorms to the earth. So, yeah, they're all related, you see, in some little ways, but. Okay.

Jack: And then, I mean, most stories share an origin to begin with. There's probably like, you could trace all of this back to a single point that then kept branching off into many different stories.

Cristina: You think there was one story? One story.

Jack: Not literally one story, but like many of these stories have a similar origin. So each area might have a bunch of stories that came from one point, from one observation. Then the story got told and altered tiny bits every time it was told until different cultures around the same region had different explanations for the same thing.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, I think so. And in China in the ancient times, there were. They believed that there was 12 different moons for the different 12 different months of the year and 10 suns that were the 10 days in the Chinese week. The mother of the 12 moons was the same as the mother of the 10 sons. And at the beginning of each month, the mother washed her children in the lake in the. At the extreme western side of the world. Then each moon, one after the other, would travel to in a chariot. In a chariot for a month's journey to reach the opposite side of the world. And that's where the suns will begin their journey. And I thought that was interesting. Chariots and all interesting.

Jack: It looks like they're all Asian cultures that believe that, though, because the other one was Hindu, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it was Hindu. And what was the third? The first one was Norse. Whatever that is.

Jack: Oh, crap. Norse. Thus far.

Cristina: Yeah. And then there's this one thing that a lot of places have is the moon rabbit, which is people see a rabbit on the moon, and there's a bunch of explanations for this moon rabbit. In China, it's very popular. So the folklore began in China and then spread to the other Asian cultures. Story goes that the rabbit is seen as the companion of the moon goddess Shang O. And it's on the moon pounding the elixir of life for her. Hey, similar to some other story, right? Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The elixir of life, which seems to.

Jack: Be on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In a castle made of cheese.

Cristina: A castle made of cheese? Yes. So this woman once used to be immortal, but was turned immortal for bad behavior. And now she's just trying to get back into the good side of the other gods by making this elixir and living forever. But, like, the first time, she drank the too much of it, and she ended up floating onto the moon, and then she made that her home. So now she lives there with a rabbit who's trying to come up with the perfect formula for this elixir to keep her alive forever.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Which. It seems like it's still working. I mean, I guess it's like adrenochrome, where you got to drink it forever. Consistently? Yes, consistently. Or you will die.

Jack: It could be like the limitless pill where you take it and the effects are slowly going to wear off and make you go crazy.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And so they're looking for the perfect one where you take it once and you're just good forever.

Cristina: Yes. Man. We got to get that. I mean, we're on the moon. No, we're not. What did you say we were? Dream. No, I don't remember.

Jack: The spirit realm.

Cristina: The spirit realm. What are we doing here? Whatever. In the Japanese and Korean versions, the rabbit is pounding either ingredients for mashi or for some kind of rice cake.

Jack: Pounding. What do we mean? It's f******, like, the stuff. It's just f****** ingredients. It takes a pounding.

Cristina: Like jumping on it, like with its pouncing. Pounding. The word is pounding, but. Or hitting. Maybe they see it hitting something like that. I don't know.

Jack: It's very strange.

Cristina: Pound. Excuse the word pound, but I think they mean hit or jump. It's hitting something, and that's what they believe it is.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's hitting a ball, which I guess, you know, there's a ball in the moon. One of the. You know, there's so many blobs on the moon. They see one as a rabbit, one as whatever they think it is, whether it's the medicine or rice ball or. What was the first one? The elixir.

Jack: Yeah. So the rabbits up their f****** balls.

Cristina: Yes. And also in China they instead of using the word the moon, they call it either the jade hair or the gold hair. These are pretty cool names. Pretty cool. Well, the rabbit is not just seen it from the Asian folklores, but also in indigenous American folklore there's a bunch of stories and they're also similar about like the rabbit is sacrificing its life usually and it ends up on the moon somehow. And also further in North America to Canada, they also have a rabbit story. Who with a rabbit that wished to ride the moon. And that's how the rabbit ended up on the moon. So there's a bunch of places.

Jack: How'd it get to the moon to ride the moon?

Cristina: That bird, the crane flew it there. That's how it got its super long legs.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: Yep, yep.

Jack: Yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So flying to the moon and all.

Cristina: So China, I mean, the Asian cultures aren't the only ones that see the rabbit. A bunch of other places see the rabbit.

Jack: There's a lot of consistency. Chances are it did begin these very similar stories began as one and then sort of evolved depending on the culture.

Cristina: Okay, so that's it for now. I think that's enough moon stuff. And I know there's a lot, but I tried my best to give as much as I can.

Jack: Yes, very fascinating. It's crazy how many different cultures have. But I guess all cultures had to explain the universe one way or another. And before science was like a sure thing because there were science minded people, the science wasn't really a thing. Thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I think before science became a thing, people just had explanations. They were always mystical.

Cristina: They're always mystical. Yeah. And I think the moon is just really interesting because of its whole face thing. It makes it much more interesting than anything else up in the sky that just looks static. Yeah, everything looks static, even the shiny or whatever. Like. Yeah, it's just really big. But the moon is got that interesting.

Jack: Phase thing and way more visible.

Cristina: Mmm. Mm.

Jack: The moon is clearer than the sun because the sun is too bright and the stars are some too dim and too small. Whether dim or not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there both of these instances, the sun and the stars are very static. While the moon has phases, it moves around the sky in visible ways and.

Cristina: We can see a bunch of crap on it that's not even there.

Jack: Even with like wack telescopes, you can see pretty well.

Cristina: That's pretty awesome. But anyway, it's time to close the show. It's time to close the bag. Was it that they say in Comedy.

Jack: Central, time to close? No, it's a plug bag.

Cristina: It's a plug bag. It's time to close the plug bag. Oh, no. It's time to open the plug bag. No, I did the opposite that they do. Okay. It's time to open the plug bag. No. Okay. Anyway, you can find more things like this, I think. Have we done anything like this? Well, we've gone all over the place. So you can find other things.

Jack: Yeah. I'm pretty sure we've mentioned the moon before. Probably not in great detail, but it's come up before for different reasons. And because of aliens and space travel and werewolves. And werewolves and probably demons and, you know, we handle things in outer space because it's part of our job.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: What we do is deal with space creatures and interdimensional beings and things of that nature.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all we do.

Jack: And we got Mars and some stuff on the moon and apparently the moon castle with cheese Castle. To cheese Castle where there's aliens. Anyways, you can find all that stuff on the official website, greythoughts.info or Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok, uscombopod.

Jack: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Cristina: Let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Cause word of mouth is extremely powerful and very important.

Cristina: And this has been the JustConversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. That's an interesting question. I've never considered creator. I always just considered when thinking of atheists, I only considered God. Like what would somebody knowing all knowing creature be? And how would they react to what we consider reality as humans? And the only thing that makes sense is Atheos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there is something that made us, whether or not they made everything they are or not that made us is there's. If there's something that's everywhere all the time and knows everything, it can't give a s***. And that's how atheos came to be. Because good and bad doesn't make a concept of something that is all of the above.

Cristina: Yeah. So then he is. He did create everything.

Jack: I don't know if he did create everything. I know he knows everything.

Cristina: So he just. He popped up the same time as we popped up, though. Because he was there to measure everything.

Jack: I'm very Judaistic. Judaistic. I'm very much of a Jew when it comes to the belief that what happened before, we don't know what happened after. What happens after, we don't know. That's irrelevant. What's happening now? I know he's.

Cristina: That he's.

Jack: He's watching like Santa Claus or some s***. And he's not judging your good or bad, but whether for whatever reason you're not being you and he's not judging. There's just rules that are set in place universally that when you don't please you, you're miserable.

Cristina: It's kind of like you're judging yourself.

Jack: Yes. Giant mirrors being held up.

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Because you are God.

Jack: So it's very interesting. You can picture Atheos essentially being a scale. That's where the chains came in. It was just balance. You bring it down anytime you do something counter to you.

Cristina: He's a scale.

Jack: He's a scale. Are you maintaining the balance of who you are?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or are you. Because you can't fully indulge in anything either. Because then it becomes meaningless. Anything you do fully in one direction just becomes a normal. You don't want that. You need the balance. But who are you as a balanced person?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everybody's balanced differently.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's the whole point. If you're not keeping your balance. So Atheos is the scale by which you balance yourself.

Cristina: So he looks like a scale ball. Like we could picture him as a scale. Like picture the spaghetti monster as a spaghetti.

Jack: Well, I wouldn't picture this. I find the irony of that religion funny, but I don't really. I rather use the word Pastafarianism because the flying spaghetti monster is. Although funny, the reasoning behind the belief system is pretty solid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's actually really rational, minus the whole jokes on God part. Same with Atheos. Giving him a visual is weird thing. He's a concept, not a being of any sort.

Cristina: Well, people like putting cons.

Jack: I know. I rather use a symbol to represent.

Cristina: Him, which is the scale.

Jack: The scale would be the symbol.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Not who he is, not who is.

Cristina: But if you like to picture him, it would probably be a person. Because it's easiest to imagine.

Jack: It's easiest. Yes. It's easiest to imagine the cliche old guy in the sky looking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Atheist is nothing but a concept, a thought, an idea.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A philosophy. There you go. It's a philosophy. A philosophic way of thinking of a God the same way that the flying spaghetti monster is a philosophic way of thinking of a God. Shaggy. Well, actually, all things considered. Because if you think of the idea of kek, what makes sense about Kek is that we all have a crazy psychotic kind of side. Yeah, we suppress it for social norms or whatever. And some of us feel comfortable doing that, others don't. I like chaos. I enjoy chaos. I normality bores the s*** out of me and I die a little on the inside if I have to be normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm not a fan of that. But chaos is amazing. And testing people and pushing them to their limits and seeing where they stand on something. I love that. The concept that if that brings you pleasure, you should do it. I like that.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

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February 20, 2021

Rambling 120: The Life Checklist

February 20, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

How do we know when something is alive? What of things that meet all the same requirements but we consider not alive? Understanding and designing a new checklist to measure life on this episode.

Story:
The duo unpacks what constitutes being alive in order to best explain to the listeners who or what to force to listen to the show. But on their journey to understand the concept of life they discover several interesting facts and create an entire checklist with different tiers of life to assist scientists in measuring the possibilities.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Are all living things conscious?
Which things aren’t alive?
The problem of aging
Is fire alive?
Carbon based life
Is God Alive?
Is sperm alive?
Organic Matter
Cells
Alive vs Galvan

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So go find a person and an inanimate object and make them both listen.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You never know what's alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You never know. We don't know what is life. You force anything to listen, make your walls listen, blast it as loud as possible. You don't know if your house is alive. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: There's no way to tell.

Jack: Like weird a** rubric we have for f****** life.

Cristina: I guess if it has a heart. It doesn't have a heart.

Jack: It doesn't need a heart to be alive.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Yeah, let's think about it. Let's think about it. Right? Let's think about it. What do we call in life? If you're conscious, are you alive?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that life? So conscious beings are by default alive?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: How do we gauge consciousness? In order to say anything's alive, then.

Cristina: You have to say it. You have to announce, I am conscious.

Jack: So animals aren't conscious then?

Cristina: Ooh, they're definitely conscious. They say it in their own ways.

Jack: How?

Cristina: With whatever sound that they make.

Jack: That's not saying I'm conscious. Are plants conscious?

Cristina: No.

Jack: So animals? Yes. But plants know?

Cristina: Well, I think. Yes, but if it's just by the sound that they're making that. No.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't even make sense. Do they have to make a sound in order to be conscious? What about things that make sounds but aren't animals?

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: I don't know. Like a plant that makes a sound or some s***.

Cristina: It's a plant that makes a sound.

Jack: I mean, there's probably a plant that makes a sound. That's interesting.

Cristina: I would say that has consciousness.

Jack: Then by default, all plants have consciousness.

Cristina: Okay, all plants have consciousness.

Jack: But then where do we draw the line? Where do we stop our cells? Conscious?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how. Yes, they're conscious. Everything's conscious. Okay. Everything. Even the walls?

Jack: Yeah. It seems like everything is conscious, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because if we just assume that consciousness is like a collection of matter, then everything is relatively, like different degrees of conscious, but all conscious, no matter what.

Cristina: How could you prove any of that?

Jack: How could you prove I'm conscious?

Cristina: Because you can say it and I believe you.

Jack: Right, but why does me saying it make it true?

Cristina: Hmm?

Jack: What can you do to prove my statement?

Cristina: Brain scans does that how to prove consciousness. Maybe there's somewhere in the brain that says, is the conscious spot like everything else. Like there's.

Jack: We have no idea. We have no idea. There's nothing. There's nothing.

Cristina: There's nothing.

Jack: Nothing. We don't have a guide or anything.

Cristina: Well, there's no test.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's zero things tell us whether something conscious is alive. We don't even know what alive is. Regardless of consciousness, whether or not it's conscious. We can't tell something is alive. Like, if we. Because obviously we don't even know what consciousness is to say that that's alive. I don't know why that was where you went with that. But, like, we can't gauge any consciousness in anything. We're just assuming consciousness because we perceive thus, you know? I guess the same s*** applies of.

Cristina: The if something's alive that it's also conscious.

Jack: I guess a cell is alive according to our rubric.

Cristina: Oh, is it? What's the rubric?

Jack: Well, it needs to reproduce, it needs to grow, it needs to eat. It needs to respond to its environment. Like a cell fulfills all those things.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Is it conscious? Huh?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess consciousness is not the point.

Cristina: No. Okay, what's the point?

Jack: That we don't know what the f*** is alive. You can't just say something is alive because it's conscious. That doesn't make sense. Okay, that means that God isn't alive, but it's conscious. Oh, giant hole in the logic. That means that any other version of you in any other dimension is. Is by extension dead.

Cristina: They're dead?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because you're not alive, like, biologically, but you're still conscious. You're just dead. But, like, it doesn't make any sense. Okay, you got to satisfy the rubric. That's the measurement of life. Allegedly.

Cristina: Okay, but God's not alive.

Jack: God doesn't satisfy the rubric. No, he doesn't like age. He doesn't like die. He doesn't like. So what the f***? He's conscious. But does he. That doesn't make any sense. But I don't even know why we're talking about consciousness. Because we needed some inanimate object.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it might be alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, how do you prove an in object is alive?

Jack: I don't know. I guess it depends on the object itself. Right?

Cristina: Like. Like what?

Jack: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. You can't just grab an inanimate object. It would have to be something that already seems to behave on its own.

Cristina: But it has to be. Okay, so this is an inanimate object that believes.

Jack: I guess it's complicated. Would you say fire is inanimate? Because I feel fire is very animated.

Cristina: Yes, it's an animated thing.

Jack: Interesting. Right? So an inanimate object might not be alive because it's inanimate, but an animated object that doesn't satisfy the rubric might be alive.

Cristina: Huh? But how do we prove that that inanimate object is not alive just because it's not?

Jack: If we. If we go by the assumption that all matter has some consciousness, and the more complicated something is, the more consciousness it has. Everything is conscious. It's just different levels that we can gauge to some degree.

Cristina: But we're talking about life, though, now.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And anything that moves is alive. Like fire. You call that as light?

Jack: I guess. Here's what's weird. Here's what's weird. Okay. Okay, let's. Let's take some steps back. Right.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: There are literally animals that don't. Just things that satisfy the living rubric that don't move.

Cristina: What animal doesn't move?

Jack: Barnacles are this sort of sea creature that does not move or respond to its environment at all. But it reproduces.

Cristina: But that's like a plant.

Jack: No, it's sort of like a sea plant.

Cristina: Like a sea plant?

Jack: Something like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Coral doesn't move either.

Cristina: Coral doesn't. Okay, so just all these things are in the water. Is there anything outside the water?

Jack: There's a germ. Staphylococcus.

Cristina: That doesn't move.

Jack: It doesn't move. It's weird. Other things have to eat it up and then they get sick. But it multiplies.

Cristina: But it multiplies.

Jack: Multiplies how?

Cristina: It's like. But it's not moving.

Jack: It's like. It's not a virus. It's a germ. It's a living thing. It's like a cell.

Cristina: It fits, but other germs move. This is the only one that's not moving.

Jack: Yes. It's really weird. It's very strange.

Cristina: But we can say that it's alive because it reproduces.

Jack: It reproduces, huh?

Cristina: That's the only way we know. Like. Yeah, that's a. That's the Thing that's not exactly.

Jack: Exactly. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So let's really think about this, right? There is a literal rubric for something requiring to be alive, right? So there is. There's a chart, and I think it's seven things. So we got. You need to consume nutrition, you need to breathe air, you need to poop, you need to grow, you need to reproduce, you need to age, you need to move. Just things like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Basic s***.

Cristina: But how important are all those things?

Jack: Well, here's where it gets really weird, because not all things fit the category like what we just mentioned. Three things that don't move that we still consider to be alive.

Cristina: Is there anything that doesn't age? That's alive? What?

Jack: Turtles don't age. There's never been a turtle to die of age. They always die because they either get killed by some circumstance, get starved, or are sick. There's no turtle to have known to die of age.

Cristina: Of age.

Jack: Of age. No turtle dies of age. Turtles are the known immortal animal. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they age. They age, but they don't grow old, if that makes sense. They get older, but they never become seniors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that is just a weird thing about turtles.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: But also, jellyfish don't age.

Cristina: How do they? What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Like, they don't die the same thing, or is it just like.

Jack: No, they don't age. They don't age at all.

Cristina: They don't.

Jack: They do not age at all. Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: What? Neither do lobsters.

Jack: Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: But they have to. They have at least the age of, like, baby to adult.

Jack: Well, no, you're missing. You're missing. You're missing. They. I guess I got a word. It. They grow up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they don't grow old.

Cristina: They don't grow old.

Jack: In every one of these instances. They grow up, but they don't grow old.

Cristina: Okay. But they do die. Except for the turtle.

Jack: Not available.

Cristina: Oh, all of them are the same.

Jack: Yeah. They don't die of age.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they don't age.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't grow old.

Cristina: Or the jellyfish, the turtle, and what was the lobster?

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes. And for all these different things, what was it? The different points of life or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rubric, the checkboxes.

Cristina: The checkbox. Is there an exception for each of those things?

Jack: Not necessarily an exception for all of them, but there's an exception for a lot of them. For example, last year on an episode you were talking about, we found A creature that doesn't require oxygen. Loriciferans, which are a type of. What the f*** are they called? The type of film, the loriciferins, which are a type of film that was discovered to not require oxygen but be related to the other film that are things that.

Cristina: That's a fish. I don't know. I feel like it was something water.

Jack: Related, but I don't know. Microscopic creature.

Cristina: Oh, it's okay.

Jack: And it's the cor. Not the cordyceps. What the h*** are they? The water bears are related to them.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so this is a type of.

Cristina: Water bear that tiny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except it doesn't need air.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And sticking to the fact that not everything fills out every. Nothing completes the checklist. Not all things complete the checklist. The water bears themselves, what do they.

Cristina: They need.

Jack: They don't need food.

Cristina: They don't need food, but they can eat food.

Jack: They can eat food, but they don't need food. They have starved somehow for up to 30 years without seeing a single response.

Cristina: Well, but. And, and they just live.

Jack: They just fine.

Cristina: They're just fine.

Jack: Just fine.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Starve them out for 30 years. F****** nothing.

Cristina: But you would. If you still say these things are.

Jack: Alive, you still call, yes, they are alive. They, in any case, they respond, they do all the other things and then you have to say like, f***. So it doesn't fill out this one, which is crucial.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it does all the others. So if like something reproduces, is it alive? If something responds to its environment, is it alive? Because a plant responds to its environment. A plant breathes air, plant drinks water.

Cristina: Are there any, then that. Which of these don't have any? Example of something that doesn't have it.

Jack: Something that doesn't have it. That's a hard one.

Cristina: I don't know, because you said most of them, they're the turtle and whatever. Well, is there any that all of us have related? I mean, is there one thing that everyone has, no matter what, to be alive?

Jack: No, no, no, because. Okay, okay, okay. There would have to be things. But for a fact, if. If one of the things doesn't make. If any creature can fail making one part of the list, there must be situations in which they all happen. Things that we would consider to be alive. In the case of something like sperm, for example, we trace it back. We're like a fetus is alive. Well, a human is alive. A baby is alive. A baby in the womb is alive, which means a fetus is alive. And we keep tracing it and we're like, it's all alive. The ups of sperm before it's even a sperm, when it's just a collection of cells. But that's actually wrong because a sperm neither eats nor poops.

Cristina: So that's two of the things. Okay, so if they're missing more than two or two or more, then you wouldn't call them alive.

Jack: I don't know, it's complicated because some.

Cristina: Of these things were missing one thing, but you'd still say they're alive.

Jack: Yes. So the sperm is missing two and we still call the sperm alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so but should we. Or should two be the mark of like. Okay, now you're not alive.

Jack: I don't know. See, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think our definition of life is.

Cristina: Flawed for like this checklist or.

Jack: Yeah, the checklist is f*****. The checklist is f*****. Because there's exceptions to the rule. Yeah, should be. The reason we can't find life is because we have a very strict thing and we're measuring everything by this loose, always changing thing. If we just pick some f****** things and say these things are alive, then we can basically. We need a word for something else. Now let's look at it like this, right? Carbon based life. One type of life. We theorize that there is the possibility for life not based on carbon.

Cristina: Yeah. There's like two other elements that you were talking about in some other episode. They were.

Jack: So there is the possibility that there could be creatures based on other elements that are sticky as well. We just don't have any proof for it. But we're also looking based on a rubric that's always changing. So we can't even find ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we need alive and we'll say that's carbon based life. If you're carbon based, you're alive. But let's use a different word that also means alive and say that some other s***. Is that anything that isn't carbon based but seems to have more or less the same things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can say is Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Galvan. Which also means essentially animated.

Cristina: Yes. That's when they electrify dead bodies. I think that's alive, but it's not.

Jack: Really alive exactly, it's galvanized.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So alive in Galvan. So carbon based life that is alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then things that aren't carbon but fill out the rubric are then Galvan. And then we need a rubric for Galvan hard. There's no way to really do that yet. We just have to figure out what life is. Not before we can say what Galvan is. And that's where we're f****** up. Because we have a weird list that's always shifting.

Cristina: Yes, but do you have a list yourself for what life should be then?

Jack: Well, I think we should take out several things. Because nobody's gonna say a turtle isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a jellyfish isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a lobster isn't alive.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Aging is not a requirement of life. In fact, if we ever find the cure to aging and thus solve the problem of death. Death. We even know what. What things in our body specifically cause aging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We might solve that problem.

Cristina: We might still be alive even if we solve the problem of death.

Jack: Exactly. In which case we can already foresee a future in which aging isn't a thing. But that doesn't stop us from being alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So we can remove aging from the equation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The other thing we can definitely remove from is movement.

Cristina: Yeah. That seems really wrong.

Jack: Movement is an issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Responding to your environment. Completely unnecessary. And there's one perfect example of that case.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: You can have a brain dead individual.

Cristina: Okay. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like.

Jack: And they're still alive.

Cristina: They're still alive. That's why. That's why I was thinking. Like that's so wrong. Because that's exactly what I pictured.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. There's still alive even if they're not moving.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: They have no motion. But you've not said they're dead yet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And those two things are a problem. The other things that obviously don't need to make it are like consciousness. You can't judge that. You can't judge that. Exactly. There's no way to do it. Which would mean the only things that are a requirement for life would be nutrition. You have to consume things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Respiration, you have to inhale oxygen. Excretion, you have to have waste for what you consume. Growth. You need to grow in some degree even if you don't age. Two different things. And reproduction. You need to be able to make more of you.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Now, something that is Galvan doesn't require any of the things I've just mentioned. But it does not at any moment mean that it's not conscious.

Cristina: Because we're not counting anything about conscious though. Because we can't tell.

Jack: Yes. We're saying that any conscious being could be alive. Or Galvan and Galvin is the thing that isn't life, but is not. But it's similar. It's the. It's life that isn't carbon.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And because it's not carbon, it doesn't behave the way that things that are carbon are. But what do we mean? We mean is that it is conscious. It's perceiving the universe.

Cristina: There's no examples of Galvin.

Jack: Not that we can think of. Exactly. Yet.

Cristina: Yes, yet.

Jack: With enough time. But with this list, a couple of weird things will happen. Because most of the things in the world we can easily chalk off to alive and dead. Some of them are hypocritically so.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We just don't like some things?

Cristina: We just don't like some.

Jack: Yeah, we just don't like some things. And we done call it not alive because we can't.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We can't talk to it or something, you know. Yes, But a good example of something that fills the rubric out, all right, is fire.

Cristina: Fire.

Jack: Fire needs matter. Yes, yes, the checklist. Fire needs matter. Fire breathes air, Fire leaves waste. Fire grows and it reproduces fire. And the craziest part is it is carbon based.

Cristina: Yes. It fits all this and even fits some of the other things we took off the list, like movement.

Jack: Movement. Yep, yep, yep.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So fire is by any other measure alive. It's a living thing. It responds to its environment.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: It is a living thing. Fire is a living thing, alright.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Not only that, but fire. So unbelievably similar to humans in so many ways. Let's break down what a human is. Right. So human consists of a cycle of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium and phosphorus, while fire consists of a cycle of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. All this f****** missing is phosphorus and calcium.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Okay, so then we go on and say humans breathe oxygen. Well, so does fire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire cannot exist without oxygen. It would disappear. It's composed of a combination, particularly the running forces. The big giant chunks of everything that creates a person is carbon and nitrogen. Those are the two big ones out of all the major elements that they're composed of. Well, so is fire. Humans, after they inhale oxygen, they exhale carbon dioxide, which just so happens to be what fire leaves behind after it takes in the air.

Cristina: We're twinning. Oh my gosh, we're twinning.

Jack: F*** yeah. And the obvious one, that humans respond to their environment as does fire. Now, interesting enough. Fire fuses to procreate like a very specific species of angler fish.

Cristina: What do you Mean like angler fish.

Jack: There's an. There's an angler fish that it fuses with the female to reproduce. Their bodies fuse and fire.

Cristina: That's what's happening with fire.

Jack: Fire can fuse to reproduce. Fire doesn't need that to reproduce, but it can do that to reproduce, which is something that we already see in nature by something we already call alive. So it reproduces like something fully biological.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The only difference between fire and humans is that fire isn't, isn't composed of cells. That's an interesting thing that's going on there.

Cristina: We do we. Is that part of the definition? That's not part of the definition.

Jack: No, that's not part of the definition of life.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is not made of cells, although I think people think of it that way. I think that's the general consensus. We're just looking for things that are either cells or made of cells and calling that alive and then trying to nail down the checklist for anything and everything that contains cells. But the problem is not everything falls in.

Cristina: Yes, like this. Like fire.

Jack: Yes, but in this case, by choosing very specific things, we can call something alive without needing the requirement of it being composed of cells. Although it's still carbon based life.

Cristina: It is what? It's a whole different type of life.

Jack: It's a whole different type of life and we can compare it and it makes perfect sense. It is carbon based life that behaves in every, every possible way like a human. It's just not made of cells. The problem is, in science we have a very particular problem where we think we already figured it out and moved forward as such. So cells that's alive. Now anything that has cells is alive by default.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, then make a rule set that tells us. Well, no, if their argument was it's made of cells, thus alive. Fine, but why do we have a checklist then? The checklist would just be it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thus alive.

Cristina: The end. But then what about plants? No, they have cells too, right? Yeah, it's just different.

Jack: Different cells.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: That's why I think their argument is that even if they're trying to make a checklist, but the problem is it makes it difficult to discover what is life that isn't made of cells. Yes, that's where it f**** up. Maybe it's a useful measure that we say all things made of cells are alive, but there are things that aren't made of cells that are alive too. Like fire.

Cristina: Yeah, like fire. What's anything else like fire?

Jack: Well, something Very similar to fire is lightning, which is a form of fire, essentially. It's also constructed of nitrogen and oxygen as a response to its environment. And it does not age, which is interesting. Neither does fire. Neither does fire.

Cristina: It's just fire in a different form, though not necessarily. Okay.

Jack: Because its function is completely different and it's sort of composed of a chain reaction in a different way. I guess fire is also. Everything is a chain reaction. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But what's interesting enough, after we have a rubric like this designed, we start getting into the weeds, which it gets weird. It gets really, really, really, really odd as you continue to move forward. Because if we use this rubric and apply it to a fetus, okay. Then we can definitely say even if a fetus is made of cells, this is assuming. We're not saying that all things with cells are alive.

Cristina: No, we're just going based on the checklist.

Jack: Yes, Just this checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So based on this checklist, like a fetus breathes through its mother, a fetus consumes nutrition through its mother. It receives food and it poops outward through the umbilical cord. And it receives its oxygen through the umbilical cord and it grows with those things. But it doesn't reproduce, which is problematic because you're a living thing that doesn't reproduce.

Jack: And a fetus isn't a baby yet a fetus is just a fetus. Unless you're also saying the sperm is also a baby. But those doesn't work that way. So fetus does not reproduce. Thus by extension it is not alive. Alive.

Cristina: What, so you're saying only once it's born, it's alive?

Jack: Only once it's born, it's once. Well, it doesn't need to be born, but once it has functional sexual organs.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's when it crosses the threshold and can complete the checklist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now I think the best approach is a combination of both systems. Right? So we say all things made of cells are factually alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And anything that completes this checklist.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And yes.

Cristina: All right. So this thing is alive even if it doesn't complete the checklist because it's made out of cells.

Jack: Exactly. So you're made of cells. Check. You're in. Yes, you've made it. That means you don't need anything else on the list.

Cristina: All right, but if you don't have cells, then we check the checklist.

Jack: Yes, check the checklist. You compared to the checklist and you function good. You are a living thing.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: That does not mean conscious. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Fire could totally not be conscious.

Cristina: Totally could be.

Jack: And it totally could be. It totally could be. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: All of it could be intentional. Yeah, there's no way to know. We can't predict fire. Just the same way we can't predict a person. Yeah, it's random. It's chaotic. It moves in ways we can't assume. We can be. Like it's headed that way, but you know, we can never. Like we're gonna go that way and stop preemptively. It's like. But it turned that f*** away instead. There's no way to know. But following the checklist, now let's. Let's use that same checklist and compete with spur compared to sperm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So sperm doesn't breathe, doesn't need oxygen. Sperm doesn't eat. Sperm does not excrete. Sperm doesn't grow. Sperm doesn't reproduce. All it does is respond to its environment. That's it.

Cristina: So it's not alive. Except for that. It's made out of.

Jack: Except for that it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah. So it checks and it has. It's alive even though it doesn't have anything.

Jack: Unless we're saying the checklist is the only way.

Cristina: Yes, but I like using both.

Jack: I think made of cells equals alive or complete the checklist.

Cristina: Yes, I think that's right. How about a tornado? Since you talked about fire and lightning. Is tornado way off.

Jack: A tornado doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: No. Too little tornadoes.

Jack: Hurricane can make tornadoes.

Cristina: Does that count? Does that even though it's one giant thing. I don't know.

Jack: Why does size matter?

Cristina: Does size matter? I don't know. No, it doesn't.

Jack: Okay, well, let's look at the checklist. Needs to consume.

Cristina: Yes. Does it?

Jack: Yes. Water.

Cristina: Water.

Jack: Needs water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And needs air.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Doesn't leave waste relative to air or water, though. It doesn't consume those things and then get rid of something. It doesn't leave carbon behind.

Cristina: It leaves water behind.

Jack: That's not waste. It's using it, but it's not getting rid of anything. That's what its body is made out of. Decomposing. If anything it grows, does grow, it can produce reproduction. We can assume the tornado itself. Yes, but then the tornado would in any case be like a sperm. It can't reproduce itself.

Cristina: Yeah, but then it won't be alive because it doesn't.

Jack: Doesn't complete a checklist. And it's not Made of cells.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Pretty simple checklist. It's easy to check things off suddenly and we can measure anything. That is the usefulness of something like this. We can immediately just say whether something is alive or not by putting it to this checklist. Easy, simple, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. One thing I do find interesting is the idea of a God that isn't made of cells and also doesn't breathe oxygen and. And also doesn't eat food, and also doesn't excrete and also doesn't grow and also doesn't reproduce. It does reproduce. That's why we're here.

Cristina: That's why everything's here. That's why everything's here.

Jack: So it can produce, reproduce, but it's not made of cells. And he can respond to its environment. That's how he knows good or bad and gets angry or whatever and rearranges things accordingly.

Cristina: I learned so many things from the checklist.

Jack: Yes. God's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive.

Jack: He's Galvan.

Cristina: He's a Galvan.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, wait, I forgot about Galvan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Do we have a definition for Galvan?

Jack: Well, for Galvan, we don't know what things are Galvan. We have no checklist for Galvan because we needed to create a checklist for life that did not change first. Again, the one thing we know in Galvan is things there could be consciousness, things there could move, and things there could.

Cristina: So they. They may check off one or two.

Jack: Things off the list, but movement is. I don't know if it's a requirement. No, neither is aging. Something that is Galvan could potentially age, but it's also not in the checklist for life.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they have things that could exist in both. We know things that could exist in both. And with those leftover things, we can then begin to look. So things that age. Some things that are alive age. Most things that are alive age, but not all things that are alive. So maybe there are Galvan things that age but aren't alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe there are Galvan things that move aren't alive. Maybe there's Galvan things that respond to their environment but aren't alive.

Cristina: Are you putting sperm and God and Galvan?

Jack: Yes, both for Galvin.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except sperm is made of cells. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Already? Yeah.

Jack: Sperm is live because.

Cristina: But God and that. Tornado. Not tornado.

Jack: Hurricane.

Cristina: Hurricane. That. Yes. God and that hurricane.

Jack: Hurricane are Calvin. They are animated, but not alive.

Cristina: Okay. We cannot prove that they're cautious or not cautious, because we can't prove Any of it to anything. So.

Jack: So then assuming that we have things that are filling these rubrics, we can say that sperm and fetuses and just plants and whatever. Anything made of cells alive. But then we have fire that's not made of cells, but does check off the entire list. Thus alive.

Cristina: Thus alive.

Jack: Yes, yes. And if it wasn't for the fact that a fetus is made of cells, it would be Galvin. But it's made of cells. Yes, so it's alive. If it wasn't for a fact that sperm doesn't check s*** off the list other than responding to its environment. Yeah, it would be Galvan. But it's made of cells, so it's alive. Meanwhile, God Galvin. Any helium based life would then be Galvan. You could come, you could touch things on the scale and not check off all of them, but still not be made of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And be Galvan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: God Galvan. Like a previous episode, we were talking about shadow people. They're probably conscious. They move, they respond to their environment. But their physics are different. They don't necessarily breathe air.

Cristina: We don't.

Jack: They might reproduce.

Cristina: They might.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know much about them.

Jack: Yeah, they would seem to behave alive. Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't check off the whole list. No, they're Galvan because they are animate and functional and responding to their environment. Maybe aging, maybe could even die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But aren't made of cells and don't check off the life checklist. Yes, but we know they're not like a rock.

Cristina: No rock. Okay. A rock isn't alive.

Jack: A rock, as far as we know, is obviously. Well, we know it's definitely not alive. But the potential that it's not even Galvin is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there could be a third thing we don't even have a name for because we just made up a f****** name right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Add a third name and it doesn't fit Galvin checklist or Alive checklist. But there is consciousness somehow. And that could be a third thing of its own. If it's nothing that we would say is behaving as an animate object that doesn't seem to do anything except perceive, which is weird, but possible because that's what a vegetable is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it could totally be haunted.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't know where that lands now, to give Galvin a definition. Right. I guess it would be a being that's not carbon based but still has capacity to be conscious. It doesn't need to be conscious, but it could be conscious. And it needs to. There should be a checklist that in the future we can make that should contain maybe something Galvan does move. Maybe it needs to move.

Cristina: But what about Frankenstein? That was what was based on. But because of this checklist and because of what we just came up with, is it alive?

Jack: Then he's made out of cells.

Cristina: Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Jack: Like, yeah, he's made out of cells. Frankenstein is.

Cristina: He's not a gallon. Even though he might be inspired by that idea. But our new checklist makes him alive.

Jack: Yes, because we're including being made of cells. And all the separate limbs he's made out of only function, because Cells.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he's definitely alive. Alive.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But now, what's interesting about this is I would argue that something Galvin has to move. We'll put that in that checklist. It has to move. Now, something alive doesn't have to move, but something Galvin does.

Cristina: What about God?

Jack: Well, God can move.

Cristina: How do we know?

Jack: Well, he can do things. He's allegedly been places and he can create. That's all part of emotion.

Cristina: Okay. I guess creating would be part of motion. Just the idea of he has shown.

Jack: People his shoulder, unquote.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And he had to move to do that or something. So based on that, he's Galvin.

Cristina: There's movement.

Jack: There's movement. So he's Galvin because there's movement. I don't know about aging. I feel like that one could be wrong.

Cristina: Aging needs to be there.

Jack: No, like it shouldn't be there because aging feels like a weird one.

Cristina: Aging. I don't know.

Jack: We can't prove shadow people age.

Cristina: No, you can't prove. I don't think aging needs to be there.

Jack: That's what I'm saying. I don't think aging should be. Be there at all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now, so. So I guess Galvin is pretty much anything that's not in the life list. So then our Luciferins, the films called Luciferins, are they alive or are they Galvan? They're made of cells.

Cristina: They're made of cells. They're alive.

Jack: Yeah. They're almost cells themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means. Yeah, they're alive.

Cristina: They're alive.

Jack: Even if they don't eat.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Because they bypass the checklist. If you're missing something from the checklist. Are you made of cells?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, you're in.

Cristina: Yeah. That's it.

Jack: Simple. No question, no doubt in anybody's mind.

Cristina: All those vampires, werewolves, zombies, they're alive.

Jack: All alive. All alive.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: Even like a fully. If zombies weren't barely alive. If they were, like, if you truly murder somebody to the point that heart stops beating and everything. That at least was a living creature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It was never a Galvan creature.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And if it reanimates, it's again, a living creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's still made of cells.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, I think we figured it out. Yeah.

Jack: And that means that turtles, for a fact, are alive. Are alive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we'll never say turtles aren't. But they don't age. And age is a weird one to have there at all.

Cristina: And jellyfish that don't even look like jellyfish. Yeah.

Jack: They look like some whole other s***. They look like a trash bag in the water.

Cristina: They look like aliens.

Jack: Yeah. It's really weird.

Cristina: But do you know any more Galvan creatures? I guess we'd have to. I don't know. That's. That's a tough one.

Jack: No, not necessarily, but that's the problem. We need to then make a checklist of things that we can call Galvan. And I think the only thing that makes sense for now is movement.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we don't know how. Something like. I'm assuming that Galvan things will behave similar to living things in that most of them can move. And that's a good start.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, let me think. Something that can move.

Jack: Lightning.

Cristina: Lightning is alive.

Jack: It checks off some of the things on the checklist, but it's not made of cells and it doesn't check off all of the things on the checklist.

Cristina: Yeah. So lightning and fire go in there?

Jack: Well, no, because G. Gal. A. Fire completes the checklist.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Fire is alive while lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yep. How many things make the checklist that aren't made out of cells? Is fire the only one?

Jack: Fire seems to be the only one, though. Fire is the only one at the moment.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: But fire fits everything. A human fits. Consumes matter. Humans consume organic matter. Respiration. Both. Fire inhales oxygen. Humans inhale oxygen. A screecher. Fire exhales carbon dioxide. Humans exhale carbon dioxide. Growth. Fire grows as it consumes. So do people. They grow as they consume. Reproduction. Fires can break off into smaller fires that keep moving and then grow on their own. By consuming, humans can reproduce, have babies that go on consuming and growing, and they can then do the same thing.

Cristina: So is the sun a living planet with, like, fire creatures on it or something?

Jack: Yes. You know, the difference is that the sun does age. The sun is a Different kind of fire.

Cristina: The south.

Jack: Yeah. It has a timer that's internal and ticking, and it's slowly aging, getting older and will die of old age. Something. Yeah. So it not only fits the entire rubric in which fire will definitely. Here's the thing. It doesn't actually. Because it doesn't need oxygen.

Cristina: Doesn't need oxygen.

Jack: It doesn't need oxygen. And it's not made of cells. So it's missing one thing in the checklist, and it's not made of cells. The sun is Galvan.

Cristina: What? How is a fire alive? The sun is Galvan.

Jack: How is lightning? Galvan? Okay, the sun and lightning are closer related than the fire. The fire in the sun.

Cristina: Okay. What? How about lava?

Jack: Lava. It leaves waste. But it doesn't grow. It does age.

Cristina: Does age. It does grow. When it turns into. What's the.

Jack: No, it's not multiplying. It's not getting bigger. It's rolling over things that might be higher up. And it just looks bigger. Yeah, but it's not growing. There's not more of it.

Cristina: So it's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not even Galvan.

Cristina: Or Galvan. All right.

Jack: Like it has movement. It has movement. It definitely has movement, but it doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: I'm thinking something Galvin reproduce.

Jack: I'm thinking something Galvin might need to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think lightning reproduces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can see a bigger lightning bolt shred into a million smaller ones, and they break up into a billion smaller ones until they all celestial.

Cristina: You said like angels. Well, we have no idea what they do, so we can't say.

Jack: Well, based on what we know of angels, the lore of angels, they aren't made of cells. They don't breathe oxygen, but they fit the perception of life. They seem conscious, they move of their own accord. They respond to their environment. They can theoretically die.

Cristina: They seem a lot like us.

Jack: Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't breathe, they don't poo.

Cristina: So put them in the Galvan.

Jack: They're Galvan. Like God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like God and lightning.

Cristina: Yes, and the sun and the sun.

Jack: God, lightning.

Cristina: But does the God reproduce angels?

Jack: God can reproduce.

Cristina: The sun, though.

Jack: The sun doesn't reproduce. No.

Cristina: So is that still Galvan? Interesting, because now we're having for sure movement and reproduction has to be there.

Jack: S***. Do angels reproduce? Because I don't. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: We don't really know if angels reproduce or not. Maybe they do.

Jack: And if they don't, then they're not Galvin.

Cristina: Then they're not Gavin. I guess.

Jack: But they seem to be the closest thing to life, I would say. I would argue that angels and shadow people are the same s***, even if they're not. I mean, technically they are, but outside that point, if we went like biblical angels. Yes, and shadow people, then they behave the way humans do and seem to think and can talk and can respond to their environment.

Cristina: They're for sure conscious.

Jack: Sure, for sure. Conscious. But they don't reproduce. So that means reproduction cannot be in that checklist either.

Cristina: Okay, then. So then movement is the only thing.

Jack: We have so far.

Cristina: All right? It's just that you can't. You don't have the. The requirements for living. But you can move. So you're. You're a Galvan.

Jack: No, because lava can move and we can. And we know for a fact it's not reproducing. We know for a fact it's not behaving of any accord. It's just like water rolling. But lightning can reproduce.

Cristina: So then what's the requirement for Galvin?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Judging.

Jack: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. What if something galvanized checks off many things off of the life list.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But not all of them.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: So you are either alive, in which you're either made of cells, or check off the whole list. Galvin not made of cells. And check off some of the things on the list or some third other s***.

Cristina: Okay, so then what was the one that we were saying? It only has movement, so it doesn't count. Yes, Lava only has movement.

Jack: But then we. We have four. Four tiers. Alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Whatever movement by itself is. And then something that doesn't even have that.

Cristina: There's nothing that doesn't have movement.

Jack: A rock. It moves a rock. A rock doesn't move by itself.

Cristina: Mountains move.

Jack: Mountains also don't move by themselves.

Cristina: They grow. They don't move.

Jack: They shrink.

Cristina: They shrink. That's something.

Jack: No, no. So that's four tiers. Alive. Galvan motion and no motion. All right, so alive you have. You're either made of cells or check off the whole list.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvin not made of cells. Check off most of the list. Motion. Not alive. Not. Galvin, you don't check off. You're not made of cells and you only check off motion, which isn't even part of the list.

Cristina: Nope. That's just its own thing.

Jack: That's its own thing. If you can move, lava can move.

Cristina: Planets can move.

Jack: Planets could move. See, we have similarities. Now, water is in perpetual motion in the ocean, yes.

Cristina: So what's Atlas called?

Jack: That's just motion, I guess. We don't have a name for that.

Cristina: It's just things that move. All right. And things that don't move.

Jack: So biological life form and fire.

Cristina: Alive for fact, yes.

Jack: Shadow people, celestials, God, lightning, the sun. Galvin. All Galvin?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't necessarily check off many things. Well, they check off many things, but not all of them. The sun doesn't reproduce and doesn't breathe.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: It does leave residue. It radiates parts of it, little by little. Excretion of sorts, of it can also get bigger. It ages. That's not even part of the f****** checklist.

Cristina: That's not. But it's so.

Jack: But it takes nutrition. Anything that lands into it, it consumes. It can't reproduce, but it grows. It has excretion. Some of the things on there make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God is weird because he doesn't satisfy a lot of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But he reproduces. D***. He only checks off one of the things on the list. So then checking off anything on the list.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Without all of the list.

Cristina: Yes. Is galvanized.

Jack: Just one thing on this list. If you reproduce, Galvin, if you grow Galvin, if you excrete, Galvan, if you breathe Galvan, if you eat Galvin, you don't need all of them, you just need one of them. If you do all of them, you're alive.

Cristina: A virus.

Jack: Virus is alive. No virus is Galvan not alive. A virus is Galvin. Because a virus, it's creep. It excretes. And a virus can reproduce.

Cristina: It's not made out of cells.

Jack: It's not.

Cristina: Okay, then it's Galvin.

Jack: It's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, it kills cells.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Or infects them. Or makes them sick.

Cristina: Or it makes them sick.

Jack: Yep. Yeah, but it is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we were struggling. Science has struggled for very long to say whether a virus is alive or not. Well, you know what? It's close, but it's not alive.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's next best thing. It's Galvin.

Cristina: It's God. No.

Jack: God and a virus are more or less the same.

Cristina: It's more or less the same. Who knew?

Jack: So then, what else can we put on that list? We got the sun, we got God, we got angels, we got shadow people, we got lightning. That's an interesting one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Lightning reproduces. Lightning breathes.

Cristina: What else? What else is there?

Jack: And then there's the motionless.

Cristina: The motionless water. Yes. Lava.

Jack: Lava.

Cristina: Wind.

Jack: Wind. Wind is in Motion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And not one of those things we would say is conscious. We also don't know. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: There's no way to know. But they do have motion.

Cristina: Yeah. But no matter where you're on this list, we don't know if you have conscious. Like, you'd be a non moving object, and we still have no idea.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could be conscious in any case. But I guess the ultimate idea would be to try to pin consciousness down, because we. If we can prove that the. In the entire time when we're thinking God, when we're thinking angels, when we're thinking shadow people, we are thinking of things that we can at least say are similar to us in some manner, shape, or form.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know we're biological, so we'll just chalk off anything biological and throw it into that same thing. Because it's probably, if any. If biology is the root, then for a fact. But if not, here are things that are similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the less similar you are, the further down this scale you are. But the closer to us you are, the more likely you are as conscious as me perceiving at this moment and thinking about it.

Cristina: Mm. So the only important thing is looking for, when we're looking for life is the living list.

Jack: Yeah. So we're comparing everything to the living checklist. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then from the living checklist, we then attach rules to the checklist, rather than say, if you make the checklist, you are one, and if you don't, well, you're not. And instead of that, we'll say the degree of checklist completion. Number one, are you made of cells? Yes. Alive. Okay. Not made of cells. Let's move on to number two. There's a checklist. If you can meet all the requirements on the checklist, you are alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, fair enough. We can say organic in place of alive, because organic inherently means alive. A hundred percent of anything that is made of cells is by default alive. So then we have a tier system. You're either organic, alive, Galvan, movement, moving. Good moving. Or some other s***. Or inanimate. Then. Then we finally hit inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There you go. Five steps. Are you organic? Sweet. That means you accomplish everything else under you except inanimate. Inanimate is the absence of all the others.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you are moving. You do complete the checklist. Some of the things, you complete the whole thing. And you're made of cells. Organic. Organic is, for a fact, the goal. Okay, so you're not organic, are you? Galvin, do you? Or well, are you alive?

Cristina: Are you alive? Yes.

Jack: So then. Interesting, because that puts fire by saying organic over alive.

Cristina: It's not organic, but it's alive.

Jack: Fire is not organic, but it's alive. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we are organic and we are identical to fire in everything, with the exception that fire isn't organic, but it is alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're organic, therefore alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving. But fire isn't organic, but it is alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving.

Cristina: Yes. Does that work with everything?

Jack: Well, God, celestials, shadow people, lightning, they are all. They're not alive, but they're all Galvan and they're all moving. And lava, air, water, are not organic, not alive, not galvanized, but they're all moving.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then inanimate is just.

Jack: Then inanimate. Okay, so water is an animate object.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As is lava, as is air. All animate. They're not inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. Have we designed. I think that's the proper checklist.

Cristina: Yes. We did it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And the checklist is called the Life checklist. No. Maybe.

Jack: D***. I don't know what the name of the checklist would be because ultimately the purpose of the checklist, of anything like looking for life or whatever the f*** we're trying to do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is to. Even if we're trying to find something in any of these categories, we're also ultimately only doing it to try to find consciousness. That is the ultimate goal of any of this. But because the idea is we find a cell, a different planet. Well, that means that life can happen, therefore there could be more complicated life out there. That's really what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where life could happen again.

Cristina: Okay. So it's really the most important is just organic, really.

Jack: No. Because you could get through all these others that. I mean, if we found organic matters elsewhere. That's way more astounding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because if life happened in some other way. Well, duh. Well, duh. What are the odds that it just. Exactly the same. Unless there's only one way it could happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would be one way. There's only one way it could happen and that's it. Or we have a common ancestor somehow. That'd be the other problem. So it's either life can only happen one way, we'll have way more questions if we do find organic life. Way more questions than answers. Yeah, but if we just find like helium based life or some s***, we'd be like, yep, that makes sense.

Cristina: We just call that a living thing.

Jack: No, that would be Galvin.

Cristina: Galvin.

Jack: Yeah. Because it doesn't necessarily have to fill out the check. It could fill out the checklist and thus be alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could also not.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the argument to be made is fire might be the only living thing that we can as of now, for a fact, pin down. And isn't organic.

Cristina: That's pretty amazing because then that really does show that there's other.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Oh, no. But it's organic. Okay. I was gonna say the Luciferians, but they're all made of. I was like, what the f***? They don't eat. But no, anything that is organic makes it by default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then fire. If we can find anything else.

Cristina: So we have a second example of life.

Jack: Yes. Isn't organic. We have one example of life that isn't organic.

Cristina: So it's possible to find others.

Jack: Yes. We have simplified it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For the scientists.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they can use. Right there we have proof. It is possible to fill out the checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And not be organic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The problem is we're looking for organic, which is stupid because what are the odds now if it did happen? Holy s***. But we didn't answer. S***. We just opened a million doors.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which is. F***. Do we have a common ancestor? Or is f****** biology the only way to do it? Or like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So way more questions. But as of now, we have non biological life. If we follow this checklist.

Cristina: And that makes it. That it's possible.

Jack: That makes it possible. Because fire because. Is alive.

Cristina: We're not alone on this earth.

Jack: And it's possible there's other things that we're just not thinking about.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because at least things that are galvan are a whole other kind of thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is what we were basically trying to say was life before. But our checklist was too shaky.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So anything Calvin. It lit. That word is a synonym for alive, by the way. Anybody confused it means animated object. It's a lot. It's alive. The point of that is that it's another word for live. But we're not using alive because you're not completing the life checklist that we made up. Yeah.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Well, actually, the checklist was already made up by scientists. We just removed two things as obligations and said that anything else you have to meet, you can't not not meet it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless you're organic. Then doesn't matter. You've bypassed the checklist. You start at organic, move on to the life checklist. Move on to the Galvan checklist. And then finally. Can you move?

Cristina: Can you.

Jack: Most of the things. All the way through Galvan. So organic, alive. Galvan and moving can move most of the things if you don't fill out anything else. But you can move. You're at least not inanimate.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not interested in inanimate. Inanimate.

Jack: Yes. Because that would be the hardest thing to prove. Conscious.

Cristina: Yes. And we're not really interested in moving either.

Jack: We're less interested than all the other stuff, but we're more interested than we.

Cristina: Are Galvin, I think is when it's like.

Jack: Because Galvin gets really interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Reproduce. Wow.

Cristina: Well, I don't know. I think we're more. It's. It's gotta be over, Gavin.

Jack: It's gotta be Galvin or higher.

Cristina: I think it has to be over Galvin.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't think we're interested in Galvin. What are the things in Galvin again?

Jack: Celestials. Shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why. That's why. Like, how do you prove any of that?

Jack: Lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why we're not interested in lightning. Although we're not interested in fire. And we already proved that that's alive, so never mind.

Jack: Sun is Galvan and it's super related to fire. Like lightning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wouldn't be. We be.

Cristina: The scientists don't care.

Jack: It would be like. Look at it like this, right? We have us at organic, thus alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we complete the whole checklist. Yeah, but also sperm doesn't complete s*** on the checklist. But it's alive. That's the same as saying there is fire. That completes the checklist. So it's alive. But lightning and the sun don't complete the checklist. So they're Galvin. Sperm is to us what lightning and the sun are to fire. It's one step under. Yeah, except it's the same. But not.

Cristina: Yeah, it's the same.

Jack: The difference is that sperm is in fact organic. Thus it bypasses everything and comes to the top.

Cristina: Unfair.

Jack: But it works. Anyways. That's fascinating as f***. I guess we have a rubric now to determine whether something is alive or not. So like I said, go find. I guess no longer look for an inanimate object. Look for any variant of animate object. Go scoop up some lava with your hand and make it listen to the podcast.

Cristina: I thought you were just talking to your walls. Why you gotta scoop lava now?

Jack: Because walls are inanimate and we're no longer interested in. I began this episode. Wrong.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they have to scoop up, bare minimum, something moving.

Cristina: Like lava.

Jack: Like lava. Just scoop up.

Cristina: Scoop up some wind.

Jack: Scoop up some wind and you can listen to the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it responds, then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: I think we got it.

Jack: I think. I think we nailed something down.

Cristina: We're scientists. Right here.

Jack: At least we simplified it for scientists. Anyways, if you guys got. If you guys like weird discussions like this. There are many discussions of this nature. We haven't done one this detailed in a while, but there's a bunch of weird s*** out there. You can go find out what it would be like if we, like, powered society with a potato, if you want to know.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, Remember that? Yeah, The. The machine. We had a time machine for a short.

Jack: Time machine. We. For a short time. We literally still have that time machine.

Cristina: We never used it. You used it to stop us from.

Jack: Killing cat people or something.

Cristina: You wanted to kill a cat people? I don't know.

Jack: Whatever. The point is. Point is we got. We got episodes where things happen.

Cristina: Things happen. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And we look for life in a different episode. We actively search for life. So, yeah, go listen to those episodes. Listen to other things. I think we just had a questions episode or some s***. Anyways, if you want to find that stuff, you can find it at the official website@greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTokod.

Jack: Yes. And you can subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, you can always review the show.

Cristina: Give us your rating. We eat that. We eat that for dinner.

Jack: Yes. Yes, we do. You don't rate us, we starve.

Cristina: Yes. If you don't rate us, we starve. Help. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Word of mouth. Tell people that we've solved the problem of life and then show them what we've come up with.

Cristina: And then show them your missing arm because you scooped up Blobber. Again, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: And balance.

Cristina: Balance. Yeah.

Jack: Creation and Atheos. Destruction and shaggy reason in the flying Spaghetti Monster. And chaos and Kek.

Cristina: What about Chuck Norris?

Jack: He's not a God.

Cristina: He's not? No.

Jack: I guess he's like a trickster.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I guess he's more like.

Jack: He exists in sort of the pockets of f****** reality.

Cristina: If anything, he's a reality breaker.

Jack: Yeah. He's like Deadpool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep.

Jack: Deadpool could be Shaggy that's so overpowered because he has this thing that makes no sense and cannot be explained in any f****** way, which is the ability to leave a panel. It's too overpowered. It seems so simple, but in any comic book page, he's basically invincible.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

February 13, 2021

Rambling 119: Bad Relationship Advice 3

February 13, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the secret to a successful relationship? What causes relationship problems? Answers to listener-submitted questions about relationships on this episode.

Story:
The duo sits down to make their third installment of relationship advice for loyal listeners. In this rare type of episode, the expert advice leaks from every inch of our heroes and they will in fact save these relationships without effort. Advice that should be in self-help books and sold for the highest price is given for the low, low price of one listen. Tune in and find out what the listeners of this show go through in their personal lives.

+Episode Details

Questions Asked:

My husband thinks I’m not attractive? 8:55
Be my mother-in-law’s sperm donor? 12:46
Swap my boyfriend for his brother? 15:59
Boyfriend won’t block his ex?!? 18:30
My girlfriend doesn’t shower!? 22:58
Broke up to see others. Get back together? 28:50
My pregnant wife cheated. Get divorced? 33:19
How do I ask if my crush is gay? 40:36
Girlfriend showed a gay guy my penis photo?! 42:57
She said her ex’s name during sex!? 46:20
Girlfriend threatens suicide if we break up?! 51:12
Cried in front of my girlfriend. Am I weak? 53:28
My sister is dating my gay ex-boyfriend?! 57:53

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notifications notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to grab somebody against their will, as usual, because that's the theme of this podcast. You force somebody to listen, always and without exception. And I will never tell you to do the opposite of that. You force somebody to listen, undoubtedly.

Cristina: Can you also force them to review the show?

Jack: Oh, yeah. Review the show. Be sure to review the show. You should force somebody to listen and review the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Very important.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, yeah, do that.

Cristina: Yes. Guess what's coming up tomorrow. Well, guess what's happening tomorrow.

Jack: What's happening tomorrow?

Cristina: It's not really happening. But what holiday is it?

Jack: A holiday. What's happening tomorrow?

Cristina: Valentine's.

Jack: And what's that?

Cristina: A day? A holiday. You know what Valentine's is?

Jack: I don't. Never heard of it.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Explain it to me.

Cristina: What? I don't know where to start. I don't know. Angels come and give you chalk flavored hearts.

Jack: Now let's unpack this. Does the angel having an o***** create the chocolate that's heart shaped?

Cristina: No, these angels are babies. These are baby angels. They have no j***.

Jack: So it's like a dry c** does.

Cristina: Not come from these angels.

Jack: You just said they come from and thus chocolate.

Cristina: No, I did not mention chocolate either. You said heart chalk flavored chalk. Yeah, chalk. It tastes like chalk. The hearts taste like chalk. You know, those tiny candy hearts, and it says things like I love you and be my. Like, really wax things. Wait, wait, wait, wait. They taste like chalk, don't they? I mean, I guess there's chocolate too involved in the chocolate.

Jack: No, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're. You. You're. You keep talking and you're not letting me say the most important, pressing thing that's happening here at the moment.

Cristina: What's that like?

Jack: First, let's hear the story and unpack it in great detail so we can understand why. And how do you know what chalk tastes like? Oh, I no longer care about Valentine's Day. I want to know when you tasted chalk and why you tasted chalk.

Cristina: I don't think I've tasted chalk. Maybe I have.

Jack: I don't Know now I'm lost and confused.

Cristina: I'm sure chalk tastes like these candies. Candy. Based on my imagination, through the power of imagination, I. It's just like if anything. If this tastes like anything, it has to be chakra.

Jack: Sure it's not like one of those dry Lucky Charm marshmallows?

Cristina: It could be that, too. No, I think it's even drier than that. It's even worse.

Jack: No, see, here's the. Here's what's. It's impossible to be dry than that. It's not like when you bite into one of those marshmallows, it feels like you're biting into the sound that nails on a chalkboard make.

Cristina: How is that possible?

Jack: That's. That's what that feeling sensation is.

Cristina: Well, I think they take those marshmallows and dry them more.

Jack: They dry out Lucky Charms even more. And boom, there you have it.

Cristina: Yeah. Just for this day.

Jack: But those chocolate. Those candies are hard as f***, though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then what do they do? They compress Lucky Charms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not drier. It's more compact.

Cristina: It's more compact. Yes, it's more compact. Lucky Charms. It's the same thing. You look at the ingredients. It just says Lucky Charms.

Jack: Just thinking about biting into Lucky Charms. Like, I hate it so much. Like, the only. You gotta fill up a bowl with water or milk. I guess milk is what people do because people are like, oh, water with cereal, it's like, you what the f***? But. So you pour milk on nothing. Not the rest of the cereal. You gotta somehow split them. They should just sell Lucky Charms where they come in two different, like, things.

Cristina: With the marshmallow in one. And a lot of people are fans of the marshmallow.

Jack: No, I get it. I get it. You pour the marshmallow first, let it get soft, and then you pour in the cereal so you have some nice texture instead of just waiting for the marshmallow to get soft. And as a result, having dry a**. The rest of the cereal, not dry a**, but super soggy cere. Just to get soft.

Cristina: Yep. Or you could just eat it dry.

Jack: Man, those aren't even marshmallows. Who called those marshmallows?

Cristina: I don't know. The leprechaun.

Jack: I mean, I guess he said so. He's magic. I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe those are f****** marshmallows from the leprechaun world.

Cristina: Yes. Is his name Lucky?

Jack: I think his name is Lucky.

Cristina: Okay, that's sad.

Jack: Lucky Leprechaun.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does he have a missing leg and One icon. Like he wears an eyepatch and he only has one leg.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because his name is Lucky. Isn't that how that usually goes? A one legged dog named like the three legged dog named Lucky?

Cristina: No, he's just trapped, giving kids cereal.

Jack: In some sort of infinite loop.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So okay, all of this has to do with Valentine's.

Cristina: Yes, yes. And we recently, probably at the beginning of this month. Right. Or last, the end of last month, put out a post on like, hey, what advice would you like?

Jack: Oh yeah, I don't know. When that s*** goes up and goes out, what am I knowing? Then I get told, hey, we're doing one of these. And then I'm like, ah, I see.

Cristina: Yeah. So have a few of those questions.

Jack: Ooh, we got a lot of responses.

Cristina: Yes. And they're all anonymous.

Jack: Yeah, I heard about this. So we aren't using names for these questions anymore because although people enjoyed our answers, they were angry and that our answers were although comedic rude with their name included in the mix.

Cristina: Because you're rude to the people asking the questions.

Jack: I'm not rude to anybody. I am polite as f***.

Cristina: Polite.

Jack: Yes, yes. And they get butthurt because they're ignorant and their problems are stupid. And I give them genuine, well thought out.

Cristina: Why do we call this bad relationship advice?

Jack: I don't know. I don't f****** name this s***.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, I guess the relationships are bad and that's why they need the advice.

Jack: Oh my God. I never thought about this. This is.

Cristina: These were giving good advice to bad relationships.

Jack: Oh my God. I had this wrong the whole time. I thought they were saying we were giving bad advice for relationships like we were giving bad relationship advice. No, we're giving bad relationships advice.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***. Plot twist. The power of perspective.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You see guys, we win.

Cristina: We win. We give great advice to your crappy relationships. Yes.

Jack: And so we got an influx of your crappy questions about your crappy relationships. I don't know why they keep f****** sent. I guess it must be entertaining.

Cristina: At least it's just entertaining.

Jack: Be made fun of. Yes, I guess. Look, I try to be genuine and give you a real solution. Whether you take it or not, it's. That sounds more like a personal problem.

Cristina: How many people you think take your advice?

Jack: Zero out of a hundred percent of them.

Cristina: Zero out of 100%?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes. I don't know how that adds up, but whatever.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's either all of them or none of them. Not sure.

Cristina: Okay, so you're saying what I'm saying?

Jack: Somewhere between all of them and none of them.

Cristina: Oh, you're not saying anything.

Jack: Okay, I totally am saying.

Cristina: You're saying either it's 0 or 100 or you're saying somewhere between 0 and 100.

Jack: I'm saying the range in which they might. Because I don't want to say this many exact. So to just kind of reach a certain amount. Yes, I am saying I think the percentage of people who take this advice is somewhere between 0% and 100%. Prove me wrong.

Cristina: I can't prove that. Okay. But come on, that's lame. That's too wide. You have to have a better guess than that.

Jack: Somewhere between 99.99% and.001.

Cristina: Whatever. Okay, prove me wrong. I can't. So I'll go with the first question.

Jack: Yes, let's jump into these questions and help people resolve their relationship troubles.

Cristina: Yes, I overheard my husband saying that he knows I'm not attractive and that everyone thought it was a joke when he married me, but he thinks that at least I am a great mom. Can a marriage survive without that attraction? And is it worth it to know he is settling?

Jack: I don't understand how she jumped to the conclusion that he is settling is her measure looks. And if she doesn't look well, he's settling. And even if he loves her personality and he loves spending time with her and he thinks she's great, he doesn't think she's the best looking human in.

Cristina: The world, he's just not sexually attracted to her at all.

Jack: Though you could be sexually attracted to somebody without them being physically attractive. Those are unrelated.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Sexuality is so unbelievably psychological.

Cristina: So he might be attracted.

Jack: He's based on what's happening here. Yeah, he's attracted there. That's why he doesn't tell her. He doesn't want to hurt her feelings. But she took what he said as he could do better, but he's settling. Or maybe he couldn't do better and I'm just the best he can get. But he's settled here because of that. And it's like, maybe he wants to be there. Maybe he thinks you're beautiful on the inside.

Cristina: Maybe he.

Jack: Or maybe he doesn't even care. Let's say you're a perfect 10, but you look stereotypic. Like he doesn't like the average blonde that most guys like. The jock, bro. Like, I'm too bruh. I wouldn't bang this s***. Like that guy totally would. But he's like, whatever. She looks like the typical f****** whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Everybody else is like, she's a perfect 10. And he's like, I don't really find that attractive, but she's awesome. Her personality doesn't line up with that Persona surrounding that.

Cristina: But she also said that everyone thinks him marrying her was a joke because.

Jack: They'Re probably jackasses who are also fixated on imagery.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: And it's like, he's still there. He's have a family together.

Cristina: He got like, how did that happen?

Jack: Yeah. Like, he clearly loves you, your looks. Who cares?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And to be fair, that doesn't mean you're not attractive. You're just not his definition of physical attraction, which is totally not a requirement.

Cristina: No, but how is she gonna live with herself?

Jack: I guess, like, now that she knows she's an uggo. Yeah, like, she's a total uggo, bruh.

Cristina: She's a total uggo. How's she gonna live?

Jack: I don't know. She can gauge it. She can totally figure it out. Right. So you go to a bar. Nah, it's a bad place. You're just looking to f*** anything. You gotta go somewhere where there's a bunch of hot chicks first. Look in a mirror. Are you ugly? Like, tell yourself, like, be. Be real. None of this. I'm ugly? No.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, look and be honest. Like, are you hot? If you're hot, you know you're hot. Like, are you hot? Look in the mirror and be like, really? Really? Like, you wouldn't say it out loud if you got low confidence or whatever, but you, like, ultimately know everybody knows where they land. Really? Really? Unless they're, like, egotistical or some s***. So she should know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then look in mirror and you're like, are you hot? If you like. Yeah. Question answered.

Cristina: But if you're like, your husband's comments.

Jack: That'S just his preference doesn't line up with your personality. He likes your personality.

Cristina: Should she talk to him about this?

Jack: Yes, she should.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: H*** yeah. This is be f****** dialogue. I don't know why people keep it. This is the biggest f****** everybody. Communication is every issue.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is.

Jack: If you don't communicate, you're failing. And that's always a problem. There's no prop. I swear, after I give my conclusion to every one of these and the practical solution, I will say communication is a problem to each one of these. No questions. I haven't seen these questions to anybody wondering. I have not seen these questions based on previous episodes. I have no f****** doubt in my mind. Every problem is communication.

Cristina: I think so too, I think so. I'm not sure. But we'll see. We'll see. Let's go to the next question. My mother in law wants me to be her sperm donor so she can have another child. My wife is on her side and is supporting her. What do I do?

Jack: Okay, look, if your mother in law is hot, you need to hold the situation hostage and say the only way you'll donate sperm is actively.

Cristina: No, that's horrible.

Jack: I don't see. Look, they're making him do something horrible. He, his kid is going to be raised in his mother in law. So look, if that's the f****** problem here, if you guys are pressuring, I'll hold the situation. You want it? It's gonna be that close to my life. If you were a stranger, great.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you want this that close to my life? Then this is how we're playing this. I've got a f*** you pregnant. Only way this plays out. This way both of you have to be just as f***** in the head as I am moving forward. Three way mind f***. Let's do it. Because I ain't the only one being mindfucked here. If you're not down with this. Hold the situation. You f*** your mother.

Cristina: What's just so hard about just donating?

Jack: People get attached to their DNA, okay? I don't f****** know. I would just f****** j***. No cop.

Cristina: Give me money, give me money, give me money.

Jack: Okay, Jizzyno cup, give me money. I can feed it to you if you want. Open your v*****, put in there with a turkey baster, I don't care. It's all the same.

Cristina: Okay, but if it's this serious to him, he should just hold the hostage.

Jack: Oh, yeah, if it's this important, yes. Also f****** talk about it with them.

Cristina: You think the solution is to talk to them?

Jack: Yeah. Really sit down and be like, this makes me uncomfortable as h***.

Cristina: Yeah. What if they peer pressure him?

Jack: Then you say, only if I can f*** my mother in law.

Cristina: Ow. No one wins in that situation.

Jack: No one wins. So either I lose alone or we all lose together.

Cristina: Ooh. Okay, that's a great solution.

Jack: Great solution. Bang your mother in law, pressure them into that. How bad does she want the kid?

Cristina: How bad does she want.

Jack: That's, that's where it lands. Because you might be doing this as a threat. And then you realize she wants the kid too bad and her daughter is down with how bad. No, it's like, whoa. But no, that's weird. Anyways, dude, think about how f*** this is that lady gets pregnant, has the kid, that means that to her daughter, her brother is her boyfriend's son.

Cristina: Her brother is her boyfriend's son.

Jack: Is that her husband? Is it a husband?

Cristina: I think it was husband.

Jack: Oh, well, s***.

Cristina: Her husband's son is her brother.

Jack: Yeah. Her husband's son is her brother.

Cristina: She seems fine with it, though.

Jack: This is some f****** Alabama type of s***.

Cristina: She seems perfectly fine. So should it matter which how it happens?

Jack: No, it should just be about communication. Really? Really. It doesn't. It doesn't matter. Even the constructs of uncle, sister, brother, mother, like, the f***. We built those structures.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, if she's going to raise her like her son, then do not. Like, if that's a weird.

Jack: That's a problem. People struggle with that. Like, you kind of have to remove yourself from that situation forever.

Cristina: He has to move away and never see her again.

Jack: Yeah. Because it's weird, dude. Yeah, it's weird as f***. Like, I get where he's coming from. It doesn't have to be that way.

Cristina: Good luck with that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The next one is, my boyfriend's mother has been sabotaging our relationship. She thinks I would make a better match with my boyfriend's brother. Should I tell my boyfriend about his mother's go. I feel like that would be very hurtful, but it would be more hurtful if I just never told him. What should I do?

Jack: Tell him.

Cristina: Tell him.

Jack: Tell him.

Cristina: She. Sure. I thought. No, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Just be like, hey, your mom's trying to get me to break up with you and go with your brother.

Cristina: Especially if you have proof. Like, look at these text messages.

Jack: Yeah, if you got proof. Oh, s***. No, don't show him.

Cristina: Don't show him.

Jack: No. You have blackmail material.

Jack: Now it's like, I can show your children what you've decided to tell me, and if that's the case, I can be shut up for money.

Cristina: Whoa. What?

Jack: Yeah. Right now we have a particularly interesting situation where I have proof that you're a stupid b**** and you don't want your children to know you're a stupid b****. So.

Cristina: Okay, but what if she doesn't have proof?

Jack: Oh, no. If you don't have proof to straight out tell him, be like, I don't know why the f*** your mom's trying to get me to break. But, like, also, how does she know?

Cristina: How does she know?

Jack: Did she flat out tell you? Yes, if you got proof, this is f****** done.

Cristina: Solved.

Jack: If you're assuming, then we're in weird territory. Like, could. Could you prove It. Without proof, Is it believable? Is the question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is it believable? Or if you really showed anyone else what's going on, would it just be you believing it? And in that case, are you really just making this up and not realizing it?

Cristina: Then maybe you should plan it out. Okay. Talk to a friend and ask them, hey, does this sound like.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. You can't tell anybody. You got to go to your boyfriend and be like, this is what I think is happening. Because again, just talk about it, figure it out.

Cristina: Yes, but be honest. Like, I don't know. Yeah. If you don't have the proof or anything, like, I don't know, but it feels like this.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I'm not comfortable. Help me out.

Jack: That is exactly what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to figure out with communication.

Cristina: Communication.

Jack: Communication. I can answer every single one of these f****** questions with communication. That's 100% everybody's problem.

Cristina: One of these will have the answer of friendship. No. I don't know. Maybe.

Jack: I mean, look, the possibility that impregnating your. Your mother in law. The solution is friendship. Everybody buddy up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That could be it.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. The next question is, my boyfriend's ex contacts him, sends nudes, and my boyfriend won't block her. I want to know where I stand in our relationship and need help with how to confront him about this and need an outside perspective on what you think is going on.

Jack: Oh, my God. People are so f****** stupid.

Cristina: He's cheating. No. Oh, no.

Jack: This is so dumb. Why? Okay, I. F***. I wish some of these people were just here so I could, like, pick their brains because some of this s*** is so stupid. Why do you need an outside perspective to solve your relationship? Why?

Cristina: I think if she already talked to him.

Jack: I don't think she already talked to him. I think the problem is she hasn't already talked to him.

Cristina: Oh. Because if she did, then maybe just leave.

Jack: She hasn't. She hasn't. This question pretty much tells us she hasn't.

Cristina: Okay, you believe she has not because.

Jack: She doesn't know what their intentions are. She doesn't know where she stands with him. And it's like, maybe ask. Let's go down the checklist. Do you have a problem with the nudes? If you do voice that, yes. If he refuses now, he's violating it. Unless you've previously stated that you're okay with things like that, in which case you're suddenly changing up the rules that you've previously established, in which case you're f****** up.

Cristina: But if it's against the rules, then he's f****** up. Yes.

Jack: And now you've got a conflict of interest. From then forward, you can deduce the rest. He's already willing to break those rules explicitly establish, meaning who knows how far that rabbit hole goes. But assuming you're okay with the photos, but it's because it's his ex girlfriend that it's bothering you now you proceed to the next series of questions.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Because he has the defense of. I thought you were okay with this. So you move on to the next series of. Well, why her? What's the interaction here? If he's like, we're just friends, then you should. He shouldn't have a problem with proving it. Can I see the conversation? If you are this now, don't snoop. Don't jump in his phone without his f****** permission.

Cristina: This is probably how she found out about this, though.

Jack: D***. If that's how you found out, you're already f****** up. Because you're not. If the fact that you don't already know if you did spy means it was so platonic. But he's. That's his ex girlfriend. He's already seen her naked a million times. Who gives a s***? So the question is. You snooping through his phone.

Cristina: What?

Jack: If you didn't find anything? You're already f*****. So if that's the case, she started off wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If she just jumped in his phone, found the f*** out. Leave that relationship. You already don't trust him.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Why? If you're snooping around.

Jack: Yeah. If you're snooping around. You are. You already don't trust him.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: But if he was open about it, and that's how you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then you're getting jealous about something you probably established comfort with. So open dialogue. Communicate.

Cristina: Communicate.

Jack: Figure out where he stands.

Cristina: Mm. Or. Or leave.

Jack: Or f****** leave. If you don't trust somebody. I've said this before. If you don't trust somebody, there's no f****** reason to be with.

Cristina: yes. There's two important rules right now.

Jack: Communicate.

Cristina: Communicate. And if you don't trust someone, why.

Jack: Why are you with them? They're hooked. Well, I love him. No, you don't. No, you're infatuated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because love includes trust.

Cristina: Yes, but they can't. Okay. But, yes, those are two important rules. Remember that. Remember?

Jack: Yeah. I'm telling you. I'm answer every single question with communication. Doesn't matter which one it is.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Except that other guy who probably shouldn't even communicate. Just be. I mean, he could communicate f****** his mother in law.

Cristina: That's all you think about now.

Jack: Yeah, that's the solid plan, bro. Is she hot? That's the question. If she's like s***** looking, then this isn't a solid plan.

Cristina: I hope she is. I hope she looks like, like really, really, really, really old lady that shouldn't be having children anymore. So I don't know why she's asking.

Jack: But like that fetus is gonna die 100%.

Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting.

Jack: I mean, she should still be young enough to be ovulating.

Cristina: Yeah, but she looks like that old. Like she just never took care of herself.

Jack: That's crazy. Like, smacked back every cigarette and every.

Cristina: Drink and did she looks like Max mom from Sunny in Philadelphia? Do you remember who his mom looks like?

Jack: Oh, the f******. Yeah. Talks like that.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yes. Well, if she look like that, I don't know, man.

Jack: I guess that's really about his preference.

Cristina: Oh, all right, the next question is. All right, the next question is my girlfriend rarely showers and it's causing unpleasant odors. She's been asking for oral lately and I don't want to make her feel uncomfortable. Any advice on how to bring this up?

Jack: Just mention it.

Cristina: Just mention it.

Jack: Why you. What? Why do people like, bro, so you're just gonna f****** live with this?

Cristina: Yes, he's gonna die in his grave with this f***. Or he's gonna.

Jack: How is this. How is this one even a problem? Just, dude, look. One day that she's doing the dishes, you go into the kitchen and you just walk up to her and you. If you want to be sly and like f****** secretive about her, whatever f*** problem you have with, just f****** bring it up you go. And while she's doing the dishes, you walk up to her and you say, you see what you're doing to that plate? And she'd be like, yeah, like do that to yourself. And she'll get the hint. She'll get the hint. You see how those plates get squeaky and shiny? How's about you get squeaky and shiny? Or you could approach this differently. Walk in and be like, yo, b****, go shower.

Cristina: Or you die with it in your dream.

Jack: No, you don't die with it.

Cristina: Just mention that you don't have a pimp ring.

Jack: Like, find a pimpring, put it on. You put in a pimp room on whatever's your dominant hand. You walk up there and you backhand the living f*** out of her. Make sure there's little blood that Flies out. When you see the blood flow, you're.

Cristina: Like, how is this gonna help the relationship?

Jack: That's for not showering.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And you never hit her again. But you hit her that one time.

Cristina: And you could just say, can you shower a little more?

Jack: Yeah, man. Just go straight up to her and be like, shower like daily by day. You know, Fair enough, fair enough. Daily is an over exaggerated. The real condition for showering, the real medical suggested way of showering is not daily. Unless you've done some physical activity that resulted in sweat or you interacted with something particularly dirty outside. If you are inactive, if you are at home every other day, if you have not sweated or use energy that would naturally excrete things from your body every other day, that is medical fact, look it up.

Cristina: Then you find that medical fact and give it to her.

Jack: And you give it to her. If you. But you do shower every other day, that's at least recommended. You don't want odors and stuff every other day. And obviously before sexual interactions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because that's not fun.

Cristina: That's not fun.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: Yes. I've been a rule since the beginning. Like, hey, I have this thing every time we have sex before sex, let's take a shower.

Jack: The other one is play her any movie ever made in all of history and just move over to the sex scene. Just fast forward and you tell me what you always see. Give me a second while I freshening up. Freshen up. I will freshen up every f****** movie. You've never in your life heard someone use those words? So we know that movies are fake as f***. But they're at least trying to teach us go freshen the f*** up before you f*** somebody. Yes, they're at least trying to teach you that. So show her that. Show her 30 movies. Make a movie montage of just clips from different movies showing that same scene. Hey, Imma go freshen up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And show her that. Be like we're gonna watch a movie, it's five hours long, get ready babe. And then you put it. And it's just that scene from many, many, many, many, many different movies. And they're always just freshening up. And usually some of these m************ will go take a full fledged shower while some dude is just waiting in their room.

Cristina: No, that he joins her sometimes, sometimes.

Jack: Sometimes the guy's just looking around, snooping in their room and s***. I don't understand how none of these movies have resulted in a f****** guy robbing them and dipping while they're there.

Cristina: That's a beautiful. That would ruin the movie.

Jack: That's, that's, that's the realistic outcome here. You just abandoned the guy. You went to shower. He's over. I mean, you're pretty confidently like, yeah, he knows he's gonna get f*****, so he's not going anywhere. Yeah, but like what if he cares? What if he saw something amazing in your room? He's like, yeah, this is worth way more than the sex. I'm gonna grab that and go.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She can't even hear you leave. She's gonna walk out and be like what's moosing? And not even find out for like a week until she needs it for whatever.

Cristina: She calls the police on you. I don't know what for.

Jack: She doesn't even know something's missing.

Cristina: Someone ran away from me.

Jack: Yeah, like, what's the argument here? He disappeared.

Cristina: He disappeared. Is he alright? I don't. Well, I guess that's, that's a way better solution than pimp slapping her pimp slapper.

Jack: Or just communicate.

Cristina: Or just communicate. Pimp slapping should never be a solution.

Jack: Hey, it gets you your money.

Cristina: There was no money involved in that.

Jack: I mean it gets pimps money. Pimp slapping is a crucial part of pimping.

Cristina: It works for them.

Jack: It works for them. It's part of the system. You accept pimp slaps if you are a being pimped. If you are being pimped.

Cristina: It's in the contract.

Jack: It's in the contract. They sign it and find in the. It's in the fine print. You read all the details and it's like, I get the pimp slap. You with a ring on.

Cristina: They should definitely have contracts for that.

Jack: If they don't like no pimp slaps in this business. Yeah, we disapprove of man. What? See this makes sense because it could be like a hierarchy where like pimps have a boss and they have to abide by the rules because this is a boss employee. Like pimps are the managers essentially. And then the prostitutes are the like labor workers. You got labor workers. You got like the foreman.

Cristina: Now there's a boss and then there's.

Jack: A guy who runs the pimps and so that's the guy who pays the pimps so that the pimps stay in check. Okay, man, we should open a brothel.

Cristina: Why? I don't know.

Jack: I want to be a pimp. That'd be cool. I don't have the pimp slap. It'd just be cool to have a brothel.

Cristina: Aren't those two different things? I don't know.

Jack: I mean, you're pimping people.

Cristina: I guess I don't know the difference. Yes, let's have a brothel.

Jack: Let's have a brothel. Let's open a just conversation brothel.

Cristina: Let's see what the next question is. My girlfriend broke up with me so she can have sex with other men. She didn't do it. Now she wants to get back together. I love her and I don't know what to do. Okay, you can't trust her.

Jack: I don't trust her. I don't trust her. No, no, I don't trust that at all, bro. She. Did she tell you she didn't do it or do you know she didn't do it because like you still lived in the same house or some s*** and she never went out.

Cristina: Well, whether she did it or not is not important.

Jack: Well, no, if that's the part that's bothering him. It is.

Cristina: Okay, but that's the only thing bothering him. And he could just live.

Jack: Yeah, because. Yeah, because here's the argument. This question would have been posed. My girlfriend broke up with me. Now she wants to get back together. I don't know what to do. No, it was crucially important that he mention to f*** other guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meaning that's where he's bothered.

Cristina: But not that she left.

Jack: Not that she left. It's fine that she left. He's bothered that she might have f***** other guys.

Cristina: Okay, but there's no way to know. So don't do it.

Jack: Don't do it. You don't trust her or give her.

Cristina: A lie detector test if that's going to solve the relationship and then you can be together happily.

Jack: But then look, what if she. This is. This is f******. It gets some mind games. Because what if she cast doubt on the lie detector test and you're like, man, but it's only this much percentage accurate and like. And then you start like spiraling. So you paid a bunch for it and she's like, no. And then she's. She knows she's going to get a f****** line success because you f***** up and you told her ahead of time. So she practiced passing it.

Cristina: Then you get, you hire those detectives that follow her around to see if.

Jack: She'S from f****** the Show. Cheater. You've. Look, bro, I've got your solution. I've got your solution right here. First you go work at a job. You climb the ladder. It might take you years.

Cristina: Is he dating her while this happens?

Jack: No, you take. It might take years. This might be a 20 year project. You can get to the top of that ladder. You start running this company and be bringing in the millions. Then you can use those millions you bring in, and you're going to re. Establish the show cheaters.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You buy a channel, buy the entire cast, put that show. That's the only show on that channel now. You got the channel cheaters. And then you're gonna use your staff to track your ex girlfriend.

Cristina: So this shows.

Jack: And you're gonna find out if she's f****** other guys. And if she's f****** other guys, you don't have to date her.

Cristina: But why can't she be f****** other guys if she's not with you? I mean, that's the whole point. Why is she wrong?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know why. Like the. The problem here. Yeah. This problem doesn't make any f****** sense. Because she did it the right way.

Cristina: She was honest. Yeah.

Jack: She was like, I don't f*** other guys and we're not gonna be together so that I can't do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And whether or not she f***** somebody else doesn't really matter.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But that's the part that bothers him. But now my question is. This is my real question. Are you the first guy she f*****? And thus you wanted to be the only guy she f***** up. And as a result, you're only gonna f***. You're only gonna date somebody who hasn't f***** anybody else. And how do you know? Telling the truth.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or like, I don't even know. There's only one way this f****** goes. Like, I don't get this problem.

Cristina: Really? Yeah. It's not a problem.

Jack: It's not a problem. Like what? What is. Send us another question. What is the problem?

Cristina: The problem would only be, is, I don't know, that she. She breaks up with him in the future to be with other.

Jack: That makes sense. That makes sense. She's. He's scared she'll keep breaking up with him.

Cristina: If you trust her or not. Do you trust her? If you don't tr. Then don't be with her.

Jack: What if she has the sudden urge to f*** people again and thinks, this time I'll go through it with it. Here's the problem. No, here's the problem. You set a precedent already. She did it. And if he takes her back, it's something that could be done and forgiven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So a behavior could form.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I say if you're not into that notion because now it's a crazy possibility it'll happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Don't do it.

Cristina: Don't do it. No. Or didn't do anything wrong though. But if you're not happy with that situation, just don't do it.

Jack: Yeah. Or go f*** somebody else yourself and say you're even.

Cristina: Okay. Even though she said she didn't. Because then she. Then she's gonna do it, I guess.

Jack: Or I mean, she was honest enough to be like, I only broke up with you to f*** other people and I didn't even do that. Let's get back together. Like, why would now she's gonna lie this far down the road? Like, I don't know where you stand, bro. Your problem is hers.

Cristina: This is a very strange problem.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Just don't do it.

Jack: Yeah. Go find somebody else.

Cristina: Yeah. The next question is my pregnant wife cheated on me. I found out in a group chat that she was making excuses about going to do errands just so she can sleep with one of the guys in the shot. I was heartbroken when I confronted her. After she denied it, I showed her the evidence and she confessed she had seen him a couple of months ago. I really want a divorce. I. But now she is pleading for me to stay for our child. What should I do?

Jack: Umm. Why do you need to stay together for your child?

Cristina: How do you know that is your child?

Jack: How do you know it's your child? Interesting.

Cristina: Like you just caught her about to cheat on you. Who knows?

Jack: No, this story is f***** because it was also, my pregnant wife cheated on me. She says it happened months ago.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: So you think you've got the couple of months. That's like two months or less.

Jack: Look, let's look at this. That's two months or more.

Cristina: Oh, a couple.

Jack: Couple different numbers. And nobody literally says a couple.

Cristina: What is she.

Jack: But look, look.

Cristina: The.

Jack: The caliber of difference between the previous question and this one of where these problems land is so monumental. This is ridiculous, bro. There's a high possibility that's not even your kid. I say find out before you get any kind of emotional attachment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that kind of thing matters. Like if she cheated and she forget. Like, some people don't give a f***, dude. They'll just raise some kid. They're like, whatever, dude. But the question is, is that your kid? Because she was cheating, she hid it. It was months ago. That's the one you found out about.

Cristina: Ow.

Jack: You know, if it was so okay that she wasn't showing a single sign of gu. You f****** didn't register s***. It just came out somewhere else.

Cristina: Although if you. That is your kid, you can still have a divorce and be a father.

Jack: Father. I don't understand how, but I get the fear that fathers have that women kind of suck when it comes to that. And they'll use any weapon they can, including the child, which will f*** the kid up and is totally disrespectful to the father for no f****** reason. Where parents are like, oh, you can't see your son.

Cristina: Yeah, she might be a monster, but don't be a monster too.

Jack: No, you don't have to be monster to your child. If she tries to take your kid away after you've done nothing wrong, you just bury her body somewhere. Nobody will even know she's dead and problem solved. They just think she ran away.

Cristina: That's harsh.

Jack: The best solution is you chop her into tiny little pieces. What about because the problem, a lot of people commit the murder and then one if you're not gonna chop her up, shallow grave is the wrong answer. Never go to a shallow grave. Maybe do the work, maybe don't impulsively kill her. And then to dig the grave, maybe dig a crazy hole like three days early.

Cristina: No one does that.

Jack: And then throw the body in the hole, it's so deep. And then you cover the hole up, nobody will ever find her. But that's last case scenario. If you get a divorce and she tries to take your kid, you don't have to kill her in any other scenario.

Cristina: Only if she tries to extremist.

Jack: Yeah, if she tries to take your kid, you bury her in a really really deep hole. Or you throw her in a pond with an alligator.

Cristina: An alligator? Yeah. Is he just gonna eat her up?

Jack: Eat her up. Beautiful solutions.

Cristina: What about talking?

Jack: That is definitely a solution. I'm saying if you do talk it out, get the divorce, you do your thing and then she tries to keep your kid, you kill her. That's the obvious solution here also find.

Cristina: Out just in case.

Jack: Yeah, find out it's your kid because you also don't want to kill her. And it's not your kid. Because then it's like wow, I just committed murder for some other a******* child. Then you're like way more in s***. Cuz that guy's gonna pop out and be like I'm the dad. And so you don't even have the kid now.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You just a murderer and you don't have a kid. This sounds like it go bad. So like get the test first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before you commit the murder. But also if none of this matters, then who gives a s***. But you are bothered. I don't know what the f. But I don't know what the f*** the problem is either, really. Like, I get it. This kid might not be yours now. Who knows how many times you f****** cheated? You caught her once and she confessed after you confronted her.

Cristina: Yeah, so like, bro, assume one time.

Jack: There could be skeletons for days.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Who knows?

Cristina: So just find out.

Jack: Communication. The problem is she's gonna f****** lie. She was denying it until he showed proof. She can literally not be trusted. Divorce is the answer.

Cristina: And then paternity, then paternity test.

Jack: And if she tries to take your child, than murder. So in that order.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: First divorce, then paternity test, then murder.

Cristina: Harsh.

Jack: But the murder depends on the result of the parenting agreement after the paternity test.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's not immediately murder, but it's a possibility.

Cristina: Very small.

Jack: Yeah. Don't. Don't close that door though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like it's possible. I do recommend chop them into small pieces. Maybe throw them in a vat of acid that you can make at home. Just Google how to make acid inside your tub. It'll be fine. It won't destroy the tub and it won't destroy the pipes. Easy stuff. But if you're too scared about that. A non shallow grave. Really, really deep. Or an alligator pond.

Cristina: An alligator pond solution. Are there ponds of alligators?

Jack: Depends where he lives.

Cristina: Okay. Because if he doesn't live next to one.

Jack: If you live in Florida, he's got alligators.

Cristina: Yes. Go to Florida. Take her on vacation.

Jack: No. That's a massive fish. You want to kill her while you're with her on vacation?

Cristina: If an alligator eats her. It was an accident. We went there to.

Jack: She got eaten by the alligator. I don't know. She snuck out. Look, this is. Here's what happened. She snuck out in the middle of the night. I was sleeping and she got f****** eaten by an alligator. I know who she was out there to meet. But I already know she goes out to meet people. I can prove that part.

Cristina: Yeah, we were just here for Disney.

Jack: We were. I thought we were here together. But I guess this b****, allegedly here to make up after being a cheating w****, found herself f****** somebody else. She suggested Florida. I didn't.

Jack: She suggested Florida, I didn't. And we came here. And apparently she came here to meet somebody that fed her to the alligators.

Cristina: But then there's a whole mind game of you having to convince her to go to Florida without you, like telling her.

Jack: Interesting, because you gotta get her. But look, this is an easy one. You could strategically place things all over your home that always, like, remind her of Florida. And make sure you always watch things that remind her of Florida. And then one day when she says it, you say, text me about it later, and she'll send you a message about Florida.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could just set it up and then. Murder in Florida. And then you got your alibi with you.

Cristina: There you go.

Jack: But again, this only happens if she tries to take your kid and you want your kid.

Cristina: Yes. Yep. And if you don't, then don't do any of this.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: None of this is.

Jack: You don't have to kill anybody. At least once per each of these episodes, I've suggested murder.

Cristina: Yes. But that's not. That's not a part of the list of good advice that we give. Okay.

Jack: I guess that's the bad advice part.

Cristina: That's the extreme advice. But that's the problem if worse gets to worse.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Murder.

Jack: Murder.

Cristina: The next question is, how do I find out if my crush is gay? I don't have the confidence just to ask, what if she says no and I ruin everything? She has never mentioned anything about past relationships, and I'm not sure how I could naturally slip it into a conversation. And how can I make a move without really making a move so I don't ruin things.

Jack: You won't ruin things just by asking.

Cristina: You shouldn't. That'd be crazy. But if it's. Yeah.

Jack: You don't want to be with this person? If that sets them off in the first place, yes. F***. Just talk. Ask.

Cristina: Just talk.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I guess the first step is just, like, being honest and saying I'm gay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because, I mean, does she tell your friends that maybe.

Jack: Wait, her crush already knows she's gay, though? That's not mentioned here at all.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Like, she might know.

Cristina: She might know. Okay.

Jack: And you gotta be like, hey, I'm gay for you. No, no, no. You don't have to go that far. Oh, I'm gay. Are you?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or, hey, I've never seen you date anybody. How long ago was the last relation? Just talk about her. Relate. You can f****** peek this out, man. This is not even hard.

Cristina: You can find out what she is without saying you have a crush on her.

Jack: Yeah, just, like, how long was your last relationship? I haven't seen you date anybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How old was he and she? Oh, no, it wasn't a he. It was a she.

Cristina: But if it's suspicious or she's like, have you ever been with a girl before?

Jack: That is yeah, that's. The approach is very important there. If you're about, like, keeping it hidden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could do it playfully. It's like, you know, I hate guys. I mean, you should date a girl, then be like, me date a girl?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then maybe she'll be like, yeah, sure. Or like, nah, that's not my thing.

Cristina: And then you never mention it again and your friendship is saved.

Jack: Yeah. God, these problems are so stupid. I bet these are teenagers. Married teenagers.

Cristina: Married teenagers. Yes, all of them.

Jack: All of them.

Cristina: They're 19 years old. Yeah, like, yeah, that's what I want to do when I turn 19. Get married.

Jack: Get married and then not know s***.

Cristina: And then. Yeah.

Jack: Who the f*** knows anything at 19?

Cristina: Who knows anything at any age?

Jack: I know. You're always super dumb when you look back. Yeah, like five years. I'm. I'm 60 now. Five years ago. 55. What an idiot that guy was.

Cristina: Yes, always. These are all 19 year olds, though. Next question. My girlfriend showed a picture of my p**** to her gay cousin. I'm pretty upset about this because it's only intended for her to see. That's why I sent it to her. She thinks it's ridiculous that I'm upset because he's gay, but I'm more upset because it's a massive invasion of my privacy. Do I have the right to be upset or should I just sweep this under the rug?

Jack: No, you definitely have a right to be upset.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Private.

Cristina: Like you said, it's private.

Jack: That's private. I don't know.

Cristina: You're being very reasonable.

Jack: Yeah, you've got the reason here. Everybody else is a f****** idiot, but you've got the reason. This is. It's just. She's definitely evading your privacy.

Cristina: It doesn't matter who she showed it to. Her mom, her sister, her father. It doesn't matter. Don't.

Jack: Had she asked you and then done it different.

Cristina: Yes, the very different.

Jack: Very different. The fact that she did it and didn't ask and it does in fact bother you.

Cristina: It's a huge problem.

Jack: Problem, problem, problem. That is not cool. Now, not to say I would have the same reaction. I'm like, f*** it, show my d*** to everybody. I'm cool with it. I don't give a f***. But you are uncomfortable with it. Yes, that's a problem. I don't know why she did that. That's not cool. This is like. If she's not even giving value to the fact that you're bothered. This is not a relationship you want to be in. Especially if you make this an okay thing by pushing it under the rug, you've set a standard.

Cristina: Yeah. Then you don't know what's gonna happen next time.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So, yeah.

Jack: This is some breakup type of s***.

Cristina: Yep. Yeah, probably.

Jack: No, this is stupid f****** problem.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Like, that's. Not that you're wrong in it. I'm saying that this s*** should not have happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is so dumb for you to.

Cristina: Think of sweeping under the rug. That's a bad way to go. That's. Don't do that.

Jack: Yeah, it's very dumb.

Cristina: That's very dumb.

Jack: Don't be the dumb guy. Be the superior 19 year old out of all these 19 year olds, including the married ones.

Cristina: Yes. Just be upset. It's right. Feel your feelings.

Jack: Yeah. Feel your feelings. On the flip side, do you have nudes of her? Oh. Do you have friends?

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's like revenge.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, and make sure to show Bob or Steve and be like, look, this is what my girlfriend looks like f****** naked. And then let her know, hey, man, Bob really liked that nude picture of you fingering yourself. He thought badass.

Cristina: No, she'll say it's totally different because he. He's. I don't know. I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the same thing. It's the same thing. She can't say s***. She'll be like, well, it's an invasion. No, it's not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You shouldn't be uncomfortable that somebody who would clearly be attracted to you saw something you didn't want them to see.

Cristina: Yeah, that's it. Is. Okay. Yeah, that is. That's crazy.

Jack: So, yeah, if you got nudes of her, you either break up with her or you show the homies. Even the odds.

Cristina: You do both. No, fair enough. You do both.

Jack: You can break up with her and show the homies. Double whammy her a**.

Cristina: Double whammy. Ow.

Jack: Yeah, dude, you're in the right. Minus minus the extent of murdering her, because this doesn't apply here. It's kind of a big leap to take for something so small. Minus getting that far. You kind of got free range here.

Cristina: Just. Yeah, but maybe break up with her.

Jack: Don't break up with her and show her nudes to people. She showed one, you show two.

Cristina: I don't know, one upper. Yes, that's it. All right, the next question. Last night, she said her ex's name while we were having sex. She gave some weird excuse as to why. She said, it's a common name and must have heard it recently. I wasn't going to start a big argument with her at that time. It has gotten me worried about why she did that. Do I confront her? Do I start going through her phone? Or am I being paranoid?

Jack: All of the above. All of the minus the going through her phone part. Look, you never invade privacy. You gotta keep a couple of things in mind. One, how long was she with this person?

Cristina: A million years. Yeah.

Jack: If she was with this person a really long time, the fact that she doesn't trip up and accidentally say his name randomly when talking to you, that's amazing. If they were together a crazy long amount of time and she's not randomly tripping up, that's astounding. Now, if it was like they were together for two months and then she said his name while f****** you. There's one of two things happening here. She either just f***** that guy and this was a sort of knee jerk reaction to that. Like in the middle of a.

Cristina: Does that ever happen?

Jack: Or she was thinking of him in her head.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I imagine would be it. And is that wrong there?

Jack: That's the question. Is that wrong? Are you claiming authority over her thoughts? If that's the scenario. Is she not allowed to go anywhere.

Cristina: Else in her head because she's not cheating and she probably has, like, their ex. You're assuming there's more to it, but that's why you need to talk to her.

Jack: Yeah. That's why communication is key here. Because you got to understand if she had sex with her. Exactly. Presumably it wasn't all bad sex. And presumably there was some good encounters in there. In which case some of those moments enter what we call the spank bank.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And things from the spank bank are not up to you to judge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She can retrieve those at any given moment in whatever given order. Because you're f******. The goal is the o***** here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she's gonna pull out whichever f****** card she decided was necessary at the moment to get where she's going. If you're here judging that and she didn't do anything, you're being paranoid and kind of an a******.

Cristina: Yeah, you're being very paranoid.

Jack: And like, yeah, she slipped up and said somebody else's name, but she was in her head somewhere else. Now, if this is a reaction of having been doing something she shouldn't have been doing, well, then f***. But like you said, how often does that even really happen? It's not impossible. There are idiots out there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, it's highly unlikely that she's out there flocking him and that's why she said his name. This is some weird paranoid that's like f******. Don't eat the candy that they give you because they don't have razor blades. It's like, not really, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, nobody's out here just poisoning children. Same way nobody's out here just. Then you are. You shouldn't be cheating if this is how bad you are at it.

Cristina: What? Yes.

Jack: You know, like, you clearly every time.

Cristina: You cheat you, I guess you say the ex's name.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's no case like that.

Jack: There's no case like this. Some movies made up.

Cristina: This is. Yes. This happens. Has to be. Right.

Jack: Yeah. So ask. Talk about it, confront her about it. And if it's really just happening in her head, like you don't. You don't get to judge her for that. And if it does bother you, then you're the one up and you don't belong in this relationship. If it bothers you, leave the relationship.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Find somebody who's like, you're not allowed to do that as well.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. You'll find out why this bothers you if she's doing nothing wrong.

Jack: Yeah. That's weird, dude. It's a weird thing to be bothered by that they're thinking of somebody they've already f***** up. They've already f***** them. Any good time you've ever had, you're gonna store bro. People you've never even f*****.

Cristina: Erase the memory.

Jack: Yeah, like how people you've never even f***** that you've seen in p*** you put into your spank bank. You've never met these people. And you go in there in your head randomly and you're like, I remember that f****** p*** thing I saw. That's hot. Imma go there for a second and it's like you don't even know them and you're doing that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So when it's with somebody you do know and did enjoy probably more than once, unless it was a f****** one night stand, which is kind of hot. But I guess that's really depending on circumstance and individual. Then you don't really have to judge that there's even. There's a personal connection at that point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So this guy's in the wrong. Yeah. Communicate, Talk about it.

Cristina: Next question.

Jack: Or go somewhere else in your head and find out if it works. Oh, maybe experiment. If it's in her head, don't judge or leave immediately. Find out if it's worth it.

Cristina: Is it worth it?

Jack: Is it worth it? You Go in your head to somebody else while you're f******. Find out if. Holy s***. Wow. This kind of makes it a million times better.

Cristina: Yeah. Or find out that she's like, oh, that's so. That's wrong.

Jack: Yeah, maybe. Maybe she'll be like, that's f***** up. Don't do that.

Cristina: Yep. And then you realize this is wrong. Yeah, you're both wrong. In that case, I guess if she's like, I could do it, but you can't do it.

Jack: Yeah. Then she's a hypocrite.

Cristina: Yes. But yeah, go talk about it. Next question. My girlfriend keeps strutting to kill herself. If we break up, I just want her to kill herself. No, I just. I just don't want her to kill herself. I couldn't live with myself if she actually did it. I can't sleep. I've lost off my confidence. I can't concentrate because this happens every week. I know that I can't continue like this. What should I do?

Jack: See, if she does it, then the.

Cristina: Problem will solve itself.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally okay. All you do is say, her body, her rules, which you've heard before. Now flip it and apply it.

Cristina: In this instance, just tell her parents. Tell someone. You don't have to live with this. You break up with her and then tell someone. Or tell someone before you break up with her and then break up with her so that people are watching.

Jack: Yeah. Be like, I'm gonna break up with your daughter. She said she's gonna kill herself if I do this, so make sure she doesn't do that. Cuz this is out of my hand. Her body, her rules.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Feminism 101.

Cristina: Well, if she's going through some weird mental thing, she should. Someone should be watching.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But get some help.

Jack: Also a girlfriend who threatens to kill herself if they break up. That's a played out story that never leads to suicide. It's a manipulation tactic.

Cristina: Oh, don't trust that.

Jack: Don't trust that. Obviously tell somebody. You don't want to be wrong.

Cristina: In this case, just in case you.

Jack: Don'T want to be like, well, this is some s*** I've heard about before. And then you do. And then like she was really depressed and kills herself. Like you don't want to be that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, it's probably not that situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like a good 99 out of 100 times. This is a waste of your time and a manipulation tactic to keep you around.

Cristina: Yeah, that's usually what it is.

Jack: Yeah. Now that 1% does exist. I'm sure.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Don't let that be you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you just tell them, like, look, she's been saying crazy s***. I think she's just a crazy b****. Your daughter's a psychopath. But if she's really going through some s***, I'm telling you ahead of time, eyes open.

Cristina: Yes. Just. Yes. Communication.

Jack: Communication. But definitely let it play out. Why not? Maybe she does kill herself. That's crazy.

Cristina: But you know you can't live like this.

Jack: Yeah. Either she kills herself for you, dude. The f***?

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Always survival, bro. You over her?

Cristina: Well, next question. I cried in front of my girlfriend last night. It wasn't about a relationship. It was about a struggle in life that I was experiencing. Today I woke up and thought about it. Did I just show how weak I was and that I don't know how to man up? I'm so stuck on the guys shouldn't be crying rule. Now that I did, I feel a bit insecure about it.

Jack: All right, let's go down all the basics. You're p**** for the way you think. Not because you cried, but because you're bothered that you cried. That's the b**** in you.

Cristina: That's the b**** in you.

Jack: The crying. That's just some s*** that happens.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: Yeah, the crying about crying. That's the b**** in you.

Cristina: Guys shouldn't be crying.

Jack: You didn't show her weakness in crying. You showed us weakness in questioning your crying. Yes. You're weak and particularly pathetic because your questions are there like this too many. But they're all f****** stupid.

Cristina: They're all ancient too.

Jack: Yeah. It's dumb s***. Like, you're the p****. You're a p**** because you're questioning you having cried. That's where you became a sissy. The crying. Own it. Be like, yeah, s*** happens.

Cristina: The f*** yeah.

Jack: But being like, I cried in front of her, now I'm a b****. Yeah, because you're b******* about having cried in front of her.

Cristina: Yeah. She probably thought it was just like.

Jack: It'S a human moment.

Cristina: Yeah. Like normal.

Jack: So, yeah, you your typical machista douchebag. And when they come for all the males, you're one of them that they're coming for all the people, the feminists that hate guys.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And they hate stereotypic, toxic masculinity bullshit. And this is that toxic masculinity bullshit. If guys shouldn't cry, it's like, yeah, they're coming for you, bro. You're gonna get canceled.

Cristina: Gonna get canceled.

Jack: Yeah. So the solution to your problem is you're Gonna get canceled.

Cristina: Yes. But to you, the answer of your question, I guess, is that you did not show her weakness.

Jack: No, you showed us weakness.

Cristina: Yes. You showed us weakness with us.

Jack: Yes. The fact that this is even a problem you're experiencing shows you've got some of that toxic masculinity running through your veins.

Cristina: But before this moment, you were perfectly fine.

Jack: Yeah. You were a cool dude. Till now that we know you're not a cool dude.

Cristina: Yep, now we know.

Jack: So unless you get rid of that bug inside you, they're coming for you.

Cristina: And how does he do that? Communication will solve that. Or will it?

Jack: I guess that's what he did right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's like, man, am I supposed to feel like this? I guess the answer to your question is no, you shouldn't feel like this. You're fine.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I guess you had communication with us, and we helped you go through this. And there you go.

Jack: Yeah. So if you still have the problem after this moment, you remain a p****.

Cristina: Yes. But since if you heard us and you actually took our words, right. And you're in his 100% or what is it, 0 to 100?

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That if he takes it, then. Oh, I guess if he doesn't take it. Yeah, if you're still. Fair. Fair enough. So if you're in the 100% to take the advice, you. You became better, and you're no longer a p**** and not a good p****. Because p****** are generally very strong. They can take giant things going in. They can push out a whole human. You know, p****** are very strong. You're the 1980s friend pointing at you and calling you a p****. Kind of p****.

Cristina: That p**** you are.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz right now p**** is just like, well, empowerment.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But no, it's like, when I say somebody's gay, I don't mean homosexual. Homosexuals are cool. I love homos.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, like, 1980s point and be like, wow, you're a sissy.

Cristina: You're a sissy. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is p**** also.

Jack: Those are the same word? Yeah, they mean the same s***. They're synonymous.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: 1980S faggy, gay. H***, not h***. F**. I mean, I guess even h***. D***. It got sketchy, didn't it? Because it would even mention the. It doesn't matter. Every word meant the same thing. You're not even thinking homosexual. Like, look at this h***. And they're not even talking about anything gay. It's like, man, that hurt. Look at this h***. It's like, there's nothing gay there but, like, PC culture, bro. They took everything. They're like, that's offensive. It's not even the people who are in the thing you're talking about. It's the people who think those people should get angry.

Cristina: What if they are? How do you know?

Jack: Because I know a bunch of these people. They don't give a f***. Yeah, my personal gay friends. I am so disrespectful in person.

Cristina: And you ask them all the time, is this offensive?

Jack: Yeah, they don't give a s***. They're also jerks.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Cool, cool. Next question. My little sister's boyfriend is lying to her. I dated my sister's current boyfriend like a year ago. No one knew that because he wasn't ready to come out. He told me he was gay. He dates a lot of girls so no one would suspect him of being gay. Now he's dating my little sister. I don't want to out the guy, but I also don't want him to hurt my little sister. If he truly has no feelings for her, it's not my place to tell her, but I also have to protect her. What should I do?

Jack: Out him.

Cristina: Out him?

Jack: Yeah, because he's out here destroying f****** people because he's a douchebag who's scared that fear is about him and it shouldn't be about anybody else.

Cristina: That's true. He's making it about him dating any women.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If he doesn't want to be gay, like, then don't date anyone.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Why involved anyone in this bullshit he's.

Jack: Doing is exactly that. It's bullshit out of. F*** him. He wants to f*** with people.

Cristina: You f*** with him because what he's doing isn't right to all these women.

Jack: Yeah, he's a douchebag. He's being a s***** person. So you could be a s***** person. Back out him. Be like, f*** you, bro. You over here f****** just dating people when you're gay. Now the question is, does he know for a fact? It always comes back to that. Does he know for a fact? He saw it like, that guy came out to him.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's what he said. He came out to him and that's why they were doing stuff together.

Jack: He's gay?

Cristina: Yeah. The guy who's talking about his little sister.

Jack: Oh, s***. Yeah. Adam, look, I get that you're gay too and you're trying to hold on to the secret. Nah, dude. F*** him. Him, him, him, him.

Cristina: You shouldn't have seen what he was doing in the Past. That's a good thing. Now that your sister is trapped in that, you're, like, excusing his behavior, but his behavior was wrong in the way before.

Jack: You were a s***** person before, and now it's literally your fault this is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were like, yeah, dude. Do you. And now he's doing him, but to your sister.

Cristina: Yes. And now you're like. You're. You're still questioning. I don't know. It's. It's not right.

Jack: It's not right. Like, it's a s***** moment to start making a move, but better late than ever.

Cristina: Yeah. So just do the right thing.

Jack: Do the right thing. Rat on him.

Cristina: Rat on him.

Jack: Be like, that guy's gay. He's gay. As he'd be doing the gay s***. I f***** that guy. I f*** your boyfriend.

Cristina: Oh, he loved the D. And then.

Jack: She'S gonna be like, liar. Be like, this is me f****** him in a photo.

Cristina: And he was a camera.

Jack: And. Yeah.

Cristina: A video.

Jack: The video of this happening. It's.

Cristina: Is.

Jack: So I heard about this one guy whose girlfriend showed a picture of his d*** and show it to me. I guess he's here. This funny story. I was once shown the d*** of a random other guy by a friend of mine, and that told me I should probably save a photo of me f****** this guy who seems to play chicks in case I ever need to blackmail him. And then he ended up with you. So here's a photo of me f****** him thanks to that guy whose girlfriend showed pictures. And I was like, that's f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Proof. And that's the story of how that guy got saved by some chick showing some other guy's d*** to him.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: What if there's this? What? Who knows, right? Like, what if they're f******? Yeah.

Cristina: Who knows how many people who listen know the other listeners?

Jack: Yeah. Like, I'm sure somebody told somebody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then they listen. They're like, oh, s***, I'm gonna submit a question. So. Yeah, me too.

Cristina: Then they find out, after we give the answers, that we're relating to these to each other. And they're like, hey, wait, that sounds familiar.

Jack: And he's like, oh, so that's where that lady's body is. Oh, that's how they solve the murder.

Cristina: Yes. And that's how they saw.

Jack: That's how they solved the murder. The case begins and ends with the Just Conversation podcast.

Cristina: Yes. Our heroes or the villain?

Jack: I mean, look, we're giving advice. We're not telling you to do anything. We don't condone murder, but if you needed to solve a problem, murder could solve a problem. I am not saying kill anybody. No, it's the same as when somebody's like, what is your opinion on drugs? I'm like, do heroin. That's fine. But also, I don't condone doing heroin. I don't really want you to do heroin, but if you were so inclined to do heroin, you could go do heroin, because your body, your rules. Also don't do heroin. It's really, really bad. But if you wanted to do heroin, it's not my problem.

Cristina: Yes. Just don't blame me.

Jack: Don't blame me. Yeah, I am mentioning ideas. I'm thinking out loud.

Cristina: Exactly. Anything we say you do, that's on you.

Jack: Yeah, this is just a conversation.

Cristina: Yep. Yep. That's exactly. That's what it's called. That's our.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Alibi right there.

Jack: That's our alibi. This is just a conversation. I'm not telling you to do s***. This isn't the we tell you to do stuff podcast. Yeah, we're host Jack and Chrissy where we tell you to do stuff. No, we tell you.

Cristina: I feel like we have told them to do things.

Jack: The only thing I tell them to do is things.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: That's the only thing I tell you to do. Kidnap somebody and force them to listen. No criminal activity of murder me. I mean, their kids are in danger.

Cristina: But kidnapping is a criminal activity.

Jack: Depends who you're asking.

Cristina: Depends on who I'm asking.

Jack: Look at it like this. Does Epstein think it's illegal? Ah, you see? There's already people with different perspectives.

Cristina: Okay, that's awful.

Jack: Okay, the conclusion is I clearly side with Epstein or something.

Cristina: You don't even know.

Jack: I don't even. I don't know that guy. And he kidnapped children. How does that. I want his relationship questions. Epstein, get an A. Ouija board. Or go to somewhere where there's an Ouija board.

Cristina: Needs to get the Ouija board, and.

Jack: Then he'll tell us his questions through the Ouija board.

Cristina: Yeah, we gotta summon him somehow. I can.

Jack: We can do that. We can summon Epstein.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, we gotta find. We make a list of random people we're gonna contact because he will be one of them. But who else is gonna be on that list?

Jack: George Carlin.

Cristina: George Carlin. That's very random.

Jack: Okay, man. I just want to talk to him.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Yes. We'll make this list, and we'll do it on this podcast.

Jack: I wonder if anybody ever tried to conjure George Carlin.

Cristina: I don't know. That's really random. His family. Some random family. Maybe he had one, like, stalker fan who tried to contact him afterwards.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: But. Wow. That should be maybe a Halloween episode. I don't know.

Jack: Where we conjure a bunch of dead people and ask them questions. Yeah, a Halloween questions episode. Interesting. Well, we'll conjure up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For Halloween.

Cristina: Yes. Get a Ouija board. Make one. We can make one, right? We can just draw it on something.

Jack: Man, it's weird that you could just buy an Ouija board at, like, a game store.

Cristina: Yeah. What? And they use movies to advertise them.

Jack: Like, if you find an a Ouija board that looks made of cloth in an abandoned house. That's a real Luigi board. F*** that thing. Yeah, but if you, like, go buy one, like, that's a novelty item.

Cristina: What's the difference of the two?

Jack: I don't know. One of them got magic put in them, I guess.

Cristina: Oh, wait, you gotta put in magic?

Jack: Dude, there's no way an AI board you bought at f****** Barnes and Nobles works.

Cristina: Well, I guess you put in the magic right?

Jack: By f******, like, hopes and dreams.

Cristina: Yeah, fair enough. Like, who the f*** know how magic works?

Jack: Okay, Anyways, we're running out of time. We can't continue answering any of these questions.

Cristina: Hope you have a great valentine.

Jack: Yeah. But hopefully this helps a bunch of you people. And yes, I mean that in the most offensive way. You people. Help you people. You f****** people get your s*** together and solve your life problems. There were an absorbent amount of questions there that we didn't get to.

Cristina: I know, that's so sad.

Jack: But look, problem is the same. I don't even need to read your f******. Look, guys, communicate.

Cristina: Communicate.

Jack: And don't be with anybody you don't trust.

Cristina: Yes, that's number two.

Jack: And finally, all else fails, murder. So, look, bro, this is how we're solving this. Communicate Rules. These are the rules of a relationship. Communicate first. First of all, number one, communicate. Number two, do not be with somebody you don't trust. You're infatuated. You don't actually love them if you don't trust them. And three, murder solves a small percentage of problems. Consider it a last resort. That is our advice for you guys.

Cristina: That's really good advice.

Jack: Communication. Don't be with people you don't trust. And sometimes murder.

Cristina: Mm. The end, the end, the end.

Jack: Now, there are other episodes with questions of this nature.

Cristina: Yeah, this is part three, I think.

Jack: Part three. Or four, I don't even know. There's f****** others of these. So you can find those and many other different things on. You can find all those things on the Official website@graythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe. You can get your partner, get them to listen to the question being answered. If you're too scared to engage in dialogue, tell them about the show and be like, hey, we're gonna subscribe to this show and we're gonna rate this show and we're gonna review this show. But I'll tell you why as we listen to this episode. And then the question shows up and you're like, that's why I have to kill you. Because what if that guy decides to show her? And she's like, why are we in Florida? And it's like, well, we're gonna listen to this podcast here in front of this pond.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In front of this alligator pond. We're gonna show you this podcast and you're gonna. We're gonna enjoy it.

Cristina: They're on a picnic. He's giving her something. Wine.

Jack: Yeah, there's something in that wine. They get to the part and she's like, what the f*** is that an alligator pond? And then she looks back at you and you just got that smug look. Like, check. Like Kira on f****** Death Note. She's like, I win.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: He's also eating chips.

Jack: He's eating chips. I'll grab a chip and I'll eat it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you scream that to her. She won't even know what it is. You'll know. And that's what matters.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Powerful.

Cristina: You can tell everyone how we saved.

Jack: Your relationship or how we are totally unrelated to the murder.

Cristina: Yes. That's awesome.

Jack: That's very important. Be like, I don't know where I got it. It wasn't them.

Cristina: It wasn't them.

Jack: Wasn't them. We don't. We don't condone murder.

Cristina: Nope. Just a conversation.

Jack: Just a conversation. Brainstorming solutions.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: That's all it is.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Byee. Yeah, that's fascinating. So we have Atheos, the God of total balance. And he's detached. He is the realest of real gods. He's the only God that makes sense, made everything, took a back seat and he's like, I don't really care. Good and evil are the same s***. Just be true.

Cristina: Okay. And then there's Spaghetti Monster.

Jack: Yes, there's a Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is the God of reason, rationale, logic, what makes sense. Then there's the God of Chaos, basically Pepe, which is basically, like, who the Joker would worship.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Be random, be unpredictable, be chaotic, but have fun the whole way. And then we have Shaggy, the God of destruction, for we have Atheos. Thus, there must be a Shaggy. Just while there is a God of reason, there must be a God of Chaos. Kick versus the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They maintain order. Yeah, because one is order and the.

Cristina: Other one is chaos.

Jack: Yes. Not Thanos.

Cristina: Thanos.

Jack: Ethiosis. To Shaggy. What the Flying Spaghetti Monster is to Keck.

February 06, 2021

Rambling 118: The Shadow Realm

February 06, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just Conversation Podcast, The Shadow Realm, Comedy, Funny, Fringe, Jinns, Shadow People, Just Conversation, Weird, Ghosts, Monsters, REalms, Dimensions

Where do shadow people come from? And do we have access to their world? Unpacking the nature of the Shadow Realm and its inhabitants on this exciting episode!

Story:
Following the discoveries and sacrifices of Groundhog Day, the duo embarks on a quest to understand the creatures formerly known as shadow people, now identified as Jinns. As all the investigative research the duo has done over the years seems to point in the same direction, an entirely new realm reveals itself as the source of most fringe activity.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Jinns
Adrenochrome
Genetic Mutations
Dimensions
Angels & Demons
Shadow Realm
Limbo
Chupacabra
Werewolves
Powerful Emotions
Groundhog Day
Sasquatch
Reapers

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to go find people, tell them, hey, listen to the show. Listen to the show with me. Hey, people. You. Yeah, person. Can you listen to the show with me?

Cristina: As long as they say the whole name of the show, yes.

Jack: You gotta say, listen to the Just Conversation podcast with me. Listen to the Just a Conversation. A podcast with me. And then slowly you migrate into a weird, ambiguous accent that doesn't make sense as you follow them through the streets of New York City or wherever you live until they listen because there's no option. And then they will, because you followed them all the way home, asking, they got on the train. You got on the train. They got off the train in a bus. You got off the train in that same bus. They got out of that bus, called the cops, and waited for the cops in the corner. The cop happened to be your friend.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And now you're both there telling them to listen to the show.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They'll listen to the show because they're scared that the cops are going to shoot them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know. It might have been black. Because this is America. Oh, wait, that doesn't happen under Biden anymore, right? That was, like, years ago or something. We're in the future. That doesn't happen anymore. Anyways. Talking about the future. Talking about them New Year's resolutions in life. So, yeah, look. Last time on Dragon Ball Z. Last time on Just Conversation. And then, like, some sound that tells you we're flashing back. I don't know who chose that sound, but it's always the same sound.

Cristina: Oh, that'd be amazing to have.

Jack: Yeah. Last time on Just Conversation. Wait, how do we do this? How do we do this? We just gotta say a bunch of stuff that happened. We talked about groundhogs and shadow people and. Okay, Last time on Just Conversation. The shadow people are gonna bite our heads off.

Cristina: The groundhog is gonna look at its shadow and its shadow is gonna communicate with it.

Jack: Shadows can walk on all fours.

Cristina: Beavers, the winter solstice.

Jack: It's spring equinox.

Cristina: Zombies. Aliens.

Jack: Christ, the church. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: A lot of blood. Just so much blood.

Jack: Ghosts and djinns.

Cristina: I don't know. I have no words. And the words.

Jack: The exciting conclusion on this episode of Just Conversation. Okay, now that we got that out of the way. So, as you heard in our exciting recap of what happened last time on Just Conversation, we were talking about Groundhog Day, which led us through this weird vortex of other things that apparently all connected and we never saw the strings connected them in the first place. Which is completely astounding because who the h*** knew that everything is all and all is everything? I guess whoever created the hermetic principles knew it.

Cristina: He knew everything is all and all is everything.

Jack: Yeah, he knew. He knew. He could have told us.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: He could have been like this. Is that like. Nah, I don't believe you.

Cristina: This shadow, is that alien?

Jack: Yeah, it's all the same thing. What? No, it's not. And like it turned out to be. So a clearer recap is that groundhogs get given adrenochrome, or a specific groundhog gets given adrenochrome. And that groundhog became a super intelligent human level intellect creature that is immortal. At least consciously immortal. Its physical body will eventually die, although its physical life has been elongated significantly. It could live hundreds of thousands of years for all we know.

Cristina: Thanks to that adrenochrome.

Jack: Thanks to that adrenochrome. And he belongs to a group, a club that has many people who take adrenochrome and give it to many animals. They all get abilities and help society or people or cults in some manner, shape or form. Who knows? They help somebody. Either that or the church made up all of this, which is definitely a possibility. But let's ignore that possibility. Anyways, chasing this information deeper, I have uncovered the doors to the truth.

Cristina: You found the truth?

Jack: Well, I found a bunch of crap. I don't know whether it's true or not, but in diving deeper in looking into this, in trying to comprehend the true wokeness. About what? Because we. We established that humans that take adrenochrome become temporary vampires until the day that their body dies. And then they become djinns in the afterlife, which isn't really the afterlife, but rather this plane of existence in some other kind of way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, anybody who takes it gets special abilities, lives a very long time and whatnot. Humans become this thing called a djinn. That's kind of like a shadow person. Now I started following the shadow person trail down the yellow brick road.

Cristina: More info than I got.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Yeah, about the yellow brick road.

Cristina: Is that related to the shadow field?

Jack: Anyways, I started following the trail, questioning, finding creatures, murdering creatures, and then asking questions. I kill first, I ask questions later. Okay, but they're immortal anyways, so I kill them, they become their ethereal version. And then I question that. Oh, makes perfect sense, right? I went to the subhumans, the sub humans created for me using their extremely excessive advanced brain power that I don't know why they haven't used it to overthrow us yet, but whatever. And they made me a basically Ghostbusters esque bottle that we've been calling the genie bottle.

Cristina: And you've been catching shadow people?

Jack: I've been murdering anybody who's had adrenochrome, turning them into a shadow person, but having the bottle to catch them in.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And so now they're trapped in those bottles and I don't let them out, but I can destroy them in there, so they have to tell me. And I've learned a couple of things. I've learned many things about shadow people.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Well, a couple of things. First of all, when you are a shadow person or a shadow being, let's use that term, because to say shadow person entails something very specific. When there is a multitude of bullshit that can take adrenochrome and become a creature that later becomes an ethereal version of itself. And so any creature that takes adrenochrome becomes a sort of shadow creature, crosses over after their body is deceased. And there is usually goes in three stages. They have their normal born form.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the human.

Jack: The human hyped up that we were talking about before and previously on Dragon Ball Z. So just go back and listen to that if you haven't caught up. And when you do, you know what we're talking about.

Jack: Anyways, so we know that there's stages. What we're wrong is about how the stages work. It seems like everything has the same three stages. You have your born form, you become a different thing. When you have adrenochrome, your life is extended dramatically, which from the perspective of the average person seems like immortality. You're mortal, just not physically. You are given in many cases, incredibly heightened intellect, but not in all cases.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Really. That blew my mind. Your intellect does not skyrocket in every case. In most cases it does.

Cristina: You mean like from case to case are like all humans skyrocket or they're all.

Jack: Yeah, it depends entirely on how your DNA behaves. Okay, to the adrenochrome. Because adrenochrome is not just blood and adrenaline, but there is DNA in that blood. And how this functions is. It's got to become part of your body. You have to digest this. And so it alters the bodies of everything, everything differently. So the abilities that every creature has is completely different. The development they have is completely different. Although there's common strings that show. It seems like in every case your life is extended.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It doesn't seem to be in a situation which that's not the case.

Cristina: You haven't seen anything like that or heard, I guess, told of anything like that. Yeah.

Jack: But the intellect seems to vary depending. And that sort of leads to what we were trying to figure out before. About whether what? Like what guides something to be feral in the first place? Place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yes, if you have adrenochrome and then you stop having adrenochrome, you can get feral. But some creatures will immediately become feral, feral off of the adrenochrome. And this leads to some of the creatures we understand as mythical creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they were simply a normal creature that took. It became this immortal being is already feral. So without it doesn't make a difference because you're already feral. So they don't need it. They don't go for it. Although anytime they kill anybody who's horrified, they still get it anyways.

Cristina: Yes. So feral, like a raccoon or something.

Jack: Pharaoh, like a crazy demon hound that just wants to kill and eat. So there are stories of these creatures spread out throughout folklores. Different religions, different belief systems, different ideologies of all sorts. People who believe in all numbers of things, and they take many different shapes and forms, and we've discussed many of them previously. So again, another reason for you guys to go back and check out previous episodes. Things like the Chupacabra.

Cristina: And what is the chupacabra? Originally, it's a coyote. Coyote.

Jack: Something that would hang out in desert, like, areas mainly.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That somehow took adrenochrome. And here's. This is the other problem. You don't have to give an animal adrenochrome for an animal to get adrenochrome.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Adrenochrome is just blood with high doses of adrenaline. If a person strays out into the desert, a hungry coyote is out there. They're not thinking adrenochrome, but they f****** kill a guy. But that guy trying to survive for that time, adrenaline floods their whole system.

Cristina: So just by eating that person, despite.

Jack: That person, they've consumed adrenochrome. Adrenochrome lands in their body and it changes them. And it changes them.

Cristina: Whaa.

Jack: Now, the reason this doesn't happen so often is because it needs to be a particularly high dose of it. But occasionally that dose does happen and then the mutation takes place, because that is what it is. It's a mutation, a genetic mutation that takes place. In the case of humans, it's particularly difficult to get the mutation to happen unless you have brutally high doses of adrenochrome. And it seems that the DNA that creates adrenochrome is primarily human DNA. You can get it from other sources, but you need so much of it.

Cristina: So you need. So just a living creature eating a human? Pretty much, yes. Is good enough.

Jack: It would have. It's not just any human.

Cristina: Not any human.

Jack: Somebody who produced a lot of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So just random cases of somebody dying. They might have not produced enough. They could have been horrified and scared, but it wasn't enough. It needs to be a crazy high dose.

Cristina: And what are some of these special adrenochrome creatures?

Jack: Well, primarily the. What we were already talking about, which is, for example, the Chupacabra is just a coyote. We can attribute this to being in the desert, people wandering off, getting lost, being in the territory of f****** coyotes, which are essentially wolves of a type.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the f****** coyote, you know, it does whatever. F***. It's nature. It's going to do whatever the f*** it's going to do. Then it's a person. Occasionally they come across the right person that has a huge dose of adrenaline as they try to survive and then.

Cristina: They turn into the chupacabra and then they crave blood.

Jack: They don't crave blood necessarily. They're just a mutated feral creature. They are faster, they are stronger, they are more agile, and they consume food differently because of the mutation. This is what leads us to believe they drain creatures of blood. They probably do. But it's not like they're looking for adrenochrome necessarily. It's not that they're actively seeking blood. This is just their method of feeding.

Cristina: You don't think they're all looking for blood?

Jack: I don't think they're looking for blood for the reasons we attribute.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think it's just a creature feeding.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't think they have any special value other than survive.

Cristina: Yeah. Although if they were looking for adrenochrome, that's what's keeping them alive. Or does just whatever they're eating, keep them alive.

Jack: Then again, maybe they attack enough animals. Because we hear stories of the Chupacabra clearing out entire fields.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In one night. So my cows are fine one night, the next night all my cows are dead. They're drained of blood. Maybe it was just looking for the high dose that it needed to get. Because it's not humans. It needs to get a f*** ton of it.

Cristina: Yeah. Because if it's an adrenochrome thirsty creature, then it's looking for fear of blood. And maybe the animals aren't scared of it like they would be normally.

Jack: But the, the reasoning here is that it's not necessarily looking for adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's no reason for it to. And some of these other cases are going to be the example of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While some of these are gonna support that argument, the Chupacabra, when we're trying to decide what turns into what when they become their ethereal shadow version. Which is which I should probably specify. The shadow creatures are a sort of energy type. I've been calling it a frequency. The best way to describe it is that the shadow realm is a physical, non physical space. It's a place you can go to.

Cristina: Physically, but you can't physically.

Jack: Sort of kind of it's way.

Cristina: Only these creatures can go there.

Jack: Not necessarily. So the shadow realm, which is what we will title it, is a sort of frequency in that it's a different state of being. Nothing there is dead. There's nothing there that's dead. It is just a different type of thing. If we think of the difference between like an angel, a human. Like an angel isn't dead. It was just born in a different state or something.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: The same idea would apply to a shadow person. You're sort of going into a different state of being. The best way to think about it is one. Oh, what is it? 100.3 the radio station and then 89.5 the radio station. You can't hear both of them at the same time. Not on one radio. But you can hear both of them on one radio.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just not at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a frequency that you got to tune into to get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The same way we kind of exist at this frequency where photons create visuals that are processed by a brain and whatnot. There's a different state of being that functions completely different. The laws of physics there work.

Cristina: Completely different laws of physics.

Jack: Yes. Because it is a different state of being.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is a different frequency that doesn't apply. So the best way to think about it is similar to a pocket universe that sort of exists within the same space. It's kind of like that, except it's more of a parallel universe.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's stacked on top.

Cristina: That's weird. Remember when we were talking about ghosts and how it could be the past or the present? Does that relate somehow?

Jack: Not necessarily, no. Because ghosts are happening actively in our own version of reality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: At our own frequency. A ghost is happening at our own frequency, just at a different time.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: While that is taking place at a different frequency entirely, another way to think about this would be to say what does your soul look like?

Cristina: What does my soul look like?

Jack: Yeah, your soul's there. It's your consciousness or it's your spirit or it's something.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Yeah, but it's sort of doesn't exist at this frequency. Where is your spirit?

Cristina: Are you saying it's in the shadow realm?

Jack: Your spirit is in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Doing what?

Jack: It's connected to this side. Your movements here appear faded and translucent.

Cristina: Over there.

Jack: Over there?

Cristina: Well, the things over there look faded. Over here.

Jack: Over here.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Well, we see as shadows over here are figures that exist on that side and vice versa.

Cristina: So those aren't different creatures. Those aren't the deaths of the creatures that are here.

Jack: Those are the physical release of the creatures that are here so that they take primary existence over there. But what we see doesn't stop them from existing over here. And the same way think of dimensions you exist in the second as a shadow, a literal shadow, not shadow people from this other dimension that we're called. But like when light is cast on you, there's a two dimensional cast on the ground.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is a shadow. That is a two dimensional representation of yourself. Yes, that is still you. Anything you do, it does. But a two dimensional render in the fourth dimension. Your entire timeline exists, but right now you're just a moment of that timeline. Yes, that's still you. And the movements that's making. You're showing a reflection of, this same universe stacked on top is you're behaving the same way over there, except you're not influencing anything over there. Now that does not mean you couldn't influence anything over there if you didn't if you wanted to.

Cristina: How? What do you mean?

Jack: There are many, many, many, many ways to get there.

Cristina: But we're over there. But we can go, go over there too.

Jack: You can manifest control on that side. You have to think of it like this. If you remember the perceptual layout. Yeah, you're at all times one and the other one is the other.

Cristina: Okay. So you're pretty much taking control of that version of you. It's not really you physically going over there.

Jack: Well, it is physically you. I'm using that as an example because the. The perceptual layout is two different beings, but in a different. We gotta assume you and your subconscious is totally different than you and your shadow form. Those are two different things. You are your shadow form.

Cristina: Yes, but I can meet up with my shadow form in the shadow realm.

Jack: You could release control on this side and take control on that side, but you can never control both at once.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some people say that they astral project.

Cristina: Okay, that's what I was thinking of. Okay.

Jack: And the place they wander. The reason that they can't interact with anything here, but they can't interact with things is because they're interacting on that.

Cristina: Side and it looks like this side.

Jack: Yes. This is where we enter a little more nuanced detail about what the shadow realm even is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It looks like the shadow realm. The shadow, I guess. Yeah, shadow realm. We'll call it the shadow realm. And then this is the physical realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the shadow realm and the physical realm seem to have been created simultaneously. They've existed since one, the other always. They came paired. Just like whoever made the hermetic principles. Duality took place in the creation of our understanding of the universe. And so the universe we're stacked on top of is the shadow realm. Now we exist on both. And I use universe loosely because universe would be different people, it would be different beings that have nothing to do with you. It's a different universe, but it's.

Cristina: It is you.

Jack: No, I use the term universe loosely. Realm would be the most accurate representation. But using the term universe might help science minded people understand it better. Yes. So realm is the most accurate word because you exist in all realms simultaneously, similar to how you exist in all dimensions, except all dimensions are part of a single universe. Universe.

Cristina: What are.

Jack: All realms are different from one another and don't necessarily exist within the same physical spaces. I guess we could think of vertical axis is dimensions, second dimension, third dimension, fourth dimension, fifth, so on and so forth. Realms we would put in a horizontal axis. So there is a fourth dimension to a shadow person.

Cristina: Okay, that's. But is that fourth, is that related to you?

Jack: That's you. The fourth dimensional shadow you is equal to the fourth dimensional you.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Now you can never be both simultaneously in control and you appear as you. Now, it seems to be that you're stuck on one unless you're in the other. Always so ways that people get there as they're projecting. When monks are discussing sort of using their mind to take apart reality, they're affecting the other side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is a duality that you permanently exist in. Now, when your physical body dies, you have nothing to come to this side and hold on to.

Cristina: So you go to that side.

Jack: You primarily exist over there.

Cristina: Okay. But you can still pop up here.

Jack: You can. Yeah. You show up as the shadow that you'd be. Yeah, as the. And you can influence things over here the same way you can influence things over there. But when you're on this side, your influence over there is ethereal and ghost. Like you aren't physically fully there. You could f*** with s*** on that side the way a ghost f**** with s*** on this side. Like you could. Ghost is a loose term, but spirits, demons and crap. Let's say a demon is on that other side and it comes to f*** with you and it's showing up in the middle of the night and you got sleep paralysis and it's just there watching you and scaring you and stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You could do that over there. You won't physically fully be there, but you could interact with things.

Cristina: You won't fully be there.

Jack: Somebody could pass their hand through you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they can't really make out how you look. Exactly.

Cristina: But there are things that are there that are physical.

Jack: Yes. And the people who are on that side who take adrenochrome and become the vessel that can then cross over, are fully there. And they were on this side fully. Basically, when you die here, you technically also die over there.

Cristina: Okay? What?

Jack: That's exactly how it goes. You will cease to exist on both sides because they're equal.

Cristina: But this shadow version of you still exists.

Jack: Yes, but your physical body ceases to exist. So there's nothing in the physical realm that can contain you. But you've. You have in fact achieved immortality. Yes, that is without a question. So your body dies because your body cannot be immortal. But you as a being have achieved immortality. And in the shadow realm, you don't have a physical presence per se. It's different. It is something. But it's not this physical presence.

Cristina: It's a. Some. But it's not some type of physical presence.

Jack: No, it's some type of something physical is only in the physical world. That only exists in the. That's the importance of that name is only the physical Realm has physical things. Yes, There's a space to travel. And that universe looking thing is infinite and it has structures and places to enter. But physical is the wrong word because it's not. The creatures on the other side have achieved pure immortality, but their bodies cannot. So they just exist on that side. Your existence is fully over there. You should have died. Because we're primarily over here a lot of time. And the creatures that are over there can influence over here, but when they die over there, they cease to exist. But you've achieved immortality that some of them don't even have because they're.

Cristina: They still need adrenochrome to live forever. Like we.

Jack: The creatures that are of that plane naturally and purely, that seem like ghosts to us, but they were born on that side, don't need adrenochrome, they're just gonna die. I guess if they could get a hold of adrenochrome, but they should, they would have to know about adrenal chrome.

Cristina: In the first place. So they can die.

Jack: They can still die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is a whole different thing, but very similar. It's again equal, but different. Equal but opposite. And so there is that. That's really what's going on. You achieve an immortality, your body dies, you can cross over, but your body can't cross over because your body will wither away. There's nothing physical over there for your body to cross over as. So that gets abandoned. But you're still present now as a being on that end. You can still influence this end the same way that when you were over here, you could influence over there. And beings naturally born over there can influence this side. And there's a numerous amount of shadow beings over there. But let's discuss what the space that's there is like. Yes, it is identical seeming to this side physically.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's buildings that could theoretically be in the same place and look the same. And you could think of it as a reflection, a literal reflection of what we have in the physical realm.

Cristina: So there's nothing off, though.

Jack: There's many things off, which is what's interesting. The best way to describe it is that there are few structures from the material world that have a counterpart. And there are many structures from the material world that don't. The easiest to know, the easiest to understand. Our temples and churches are equal on both sides and usually the easiest gateway between the two places.

Cristina: But regular houses are not.

Jack: No, it requires a person creating the environment that would exist in those places, which is where witchiness comes in.

Cristina: Are these Temples, then they're intentionally doing these gateway things in there.

Jack: I don't. There's no way to really know. There's no way to really know if the gateways are intentional or if it's just a natural product, because arguably they're made on both sides at exactly the same moment. And nobody was intending the crossover, but it's just a place where it's heightened.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Churches and temples and.

Jack: And the easiest way to think about it is that the energy that you put out in the physical realm when you walk into a church is trying to connect to what you'd consider to be your spirit.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so the signal you're putting out kind of tunes a little better. Yes, you tune in better. And so creatures on the other side are kind of experiencing the same thing. Now, this is a very interesting comparison because one of the creatures born on the opposite side in the shadow realm, one are demons, but the others are celestials.

Cristina: Celestials, Angels. What?

Jack: Both of which come from the shadow realm. Now, we only call it the shadow realm in reference to our world, but they don't refer to that. That's just reality to them. And thinking of it as a dark place is also wrong.

Cristina: Do they call it heaven or h*** or. That's names we gave them.

Jack: That's all names we've provided.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yes. And we don't even. They don't even call themselves demons. This is all titles we've invented.

Cristina: Yes. So they're none of. They're none of those things that we think they are.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're none of those things that we think they are. They are living creatures like anything else, except unlike anything else. They are part of the shadow realm, which. Shadow realm to us, but their own thing to themselves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't. They're not like we're the f****** second s*** to this.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like we're the main thing that's our f****** reflection over there. They probably call us a shadow realm.

Cristina: Ah. You know, it's interesting. Yeah.

Jack: And so it's interesting that an angel that goes to meditate at the same place would be received by people in the physical realm more easily because they saw something or felt something. And it's because they're also over there praying and tuning into what they consider to be their spirit, which over here is just an energy to us, the same way we show up over there as just an energy to them.

Cristina: So they're looking at us and thinking angel or demon.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. They might see us doing horrible things and call us demons. And they Might see us doing kind and beautiful things and call us angels.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And it's entirely just because we're a reflection of what's going on.

Cristina: What.

Jack: Interesting, right? The same way that a demon is just a different creature that often does things we would consider bad, but also their interpretation of good or bad is different. How do you blow up a building if there's no physicality to blow something up with?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, different thing going on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, those are the obvious buildings that are similar on both sides, of which there are many, many, many. But in comparison to the rest of what there is, is very little.

Cristina: Like what? Like it's just all woods?

Jack: No, I'm saying that the. The churches are what's. There are many churches, but collectively, in comparison to other things, churches are what? Like, the least of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And mosques and temples and all these different things. There's very few of them in comparison. Like, how many churches are there per building in the world? You know, it's like maybe a million buildings per church. Who knows? But there are structures over there. Whether they would be considered buildings or I guess they serve the equivalent purpose.

Cristina: They live in them.

Jack: Yeah, you could live in them. You could. They could perform different functions. They have purpose is the best way to put it. They have purpose. There's structures with purpose on that end. And some of them look similar, but many don't. And you could be wandering down something that looks like a street and look similar and get lost. Because the similarities are almost misleading. Because they are no more than just similarities. Only the places that are literally identical are identical. And those are the places that were constructed simultaneously on both sides to connect across.

Cristina: People who do. Astral projections are the only people that are going over there.

Jack: No. People who pray and they think they're praying to something, are communicating directly with the being on the other side, and they're having a conversation. People who pray and they feel like they heard God's voice are probably just having a conversation with another creature who's over there trying to talk to something over here. And they just kind of. Their minds cross paths and they're like having a conversation with one another. This happens pretty often in which people talk to. They talk to the dead. They think they're talking to them. They're talking to. Sometimes it is sometimes literally the dead. And the person on that side doesn't even realize that they're over here thinking, I'm, you know, I'm remembering this person and I have conversation with them in my head occasionally. It's like, you're really f****** talking to them. You just don't know know it because you don't know this realm exists. And so this happens pretty consistently. There is interaction all the time. Whether it be direct interaction or you saw something that you're like, oh, my house is haunted. There's something in there. And it's like in the other side, something lives there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not malicious, it's just living there. It's its home. You're the one haunting it over there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're over here screaming because you're scared. And it was just wandering and it's like, holy, did I hear something? But you panicked and screamed and they heard you scream, so they f****** panicked and then knocked something down and you panicked more because f****** the chair just fell. But they f****** dropped the chair because they f****** got scared because, yeah, there's some s*** in here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the h*** is this?

Cristina: Wow, it's interesting. Connected.

Jack: So what allows this to happen is the adrenal chrome itself connects to certain aspects of the brain. The brain is an antenna. It grabs the signal of the consciousness. And so the alterations that happen in the time that allow your mind to be altered and get crazy high intellect or your mind to your DNA to be altered, it trains your consciousness to take over rather than the brain control the consciousness. Most of us live through life thinking we're the conscious being, but we've run experiments in our quantum computers that tell us we're not. Our brain is doing everything. We are convinced that we're here, the ones in charge. There is a consciousness, and the consciousness will persist, but the consciousness isn't in charge. When you have adrenochrome, the structure, the changes in the DNA allows and trains the conscious mind to literally be the driver.

Cristina: Okay. Instead of being. Becoming a monk and becoming the driver.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Perfect. Perfect. A monk could theoretically cross over because they trained it. Yes, they trained their conscious mind to be the one in control. So adrenochrome is a shortcut.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But it could do things because it alters your DNA. A monk does it without altering their DNA. They cross over perfectly fine.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're not. They don't have any special abilities.

Jack: Yes. They don't have to cross many thresholds. Yeah, but when you take adrenochrome, not only does your mind get altered so that your conscious mind is in control, but million other things happen.

Cristina: And sometimes your body gets altered, sometimes.

Jack: Your body gets altered. And so when you've taken this and your conscious mind is in control as Your conscious mind is you will sort of disconnect from your body. But now, because it's the leading force, it doesn't dissolve as the brain dissolves, the conscious mind simply goes to the next place it knows. It holds on to the other version of you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow form. And suddenly you exist on that side.

Cristina: But as a shadow in that side, too.

Jack: No. Okay, you're now on that side. You sort of manifest fully on that side.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah. So you've become part of that world, and now that's your real form. That's how many people have crossed over. And when people are talking about. There are people on the other side, you talk mediums who are talking to somebody and all this stuff. They are talking to individuals who fully crossed over to that place, which brings up how that place is considered by many other places.

Cristina: Okay, what is that?

Jack: The name given to it is a quite popular name, and it makes sense that a medium would be connecting to it. It's called, in particularly the Bible. Which is the most easy way to convey this information for English speakers who are familiar with Christianity, above all other religions, is that it is limbo. It is a space after life. But that only applies to us on this side. It is a space after life. Now, not everybody goes to limbo. That is a true fact. Most people cease to exist. But when you've developed the means, you can enter limbo.

Cristina: And adrenochrome is the easy way.

Jack: Adrenochrome is the easy way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The only real way to be there is to divide your conscious mind from your brain. If your brain controls your conscious mind, when your brain dies, it takes the conscious mind with it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But if you can train your conscious mind to be independent, then your conscious mind can wander and control what, the rest of itself.

Cristina: That sounds difficult. Yes. Okay.

Jack: An adrenal chrome is a shortcut.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: Which is completely fascinating.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's limbo or heaven or h*** or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. That's all the above. It's the same thing. So people who go to h***, if they really went somewhere when they died, they went to limbo. People who go to heaven, if they really go somewhere when they died, they went to limbo. People who cross, their spirit crosses over finally, after their unfinished business is done, you've merely just crossed into limbo. They all went to limbo or cease to exist. Those are the only two options. You either die and your consciousness leaves your body, or you die and you were apparently mentally strong enough that your.

Cristina: Consciousness is gone to go over there.

Jack: And you're technically still here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just your body dies. Immortality is real. But there's a shortcut to get there. And there are many hard ways to get there. And the shortcut has repercussions like losing your body. You lose your body no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah. What are the precautions?

Jack: First, turning into something different while you're on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And second, when your mind continues after your body has died, whatever thing you became, you were for a long time. Your consciousness got trained to believe that's you. And so if you are a coyote who was just a coyote, they become headstrong. Their conscious mind now runs their body. But they're not hyper intelligent the way a human is. They are a Chupacabra, a different kind of intellect. Their consciousness is in control. That being then dies however many years in the future. And they are not a coyote on the other side. Their conscious mind got trained over many decades, centuries, millennia. You were longer the Chupacabra than you were the coyote.

Cristina: Okay. So they go to the other side and they're sort of still like a Chupacabra.

Jack: Yes. Except you are the shadow version of that because you no longer have a physical form.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which over there, the Chupacabra is the equivalent of what we have called the Wet Judge. That is the Chupacabra. It is a feral beast that is out there influencing and killing and it does it on both sides. Anytime it could influence. Now because its mind is so strong, it can phase in and out. But over here it looks like a shadow.

Cristina: Yes. What? It looks like a shadow?

Jack: Yeah, it looks like some kind of. It looks like a shapeless doggish.

Cristina: They can take a real form.

Jack: No, it doesn't. Nothing takes a form over here. There's no physicality for it to take. It only influences side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's the only role something that's lost its body over here can do. You can't manifest on this side. Or if you do manifest, it's not physical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like would you say a spirit is physical? No, but it is over here. Yeah, that's exactly how it work. The literal way to describe it is that a Wet Judge is a spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a demonic spirit. Well, we would call it demonic.

Cristina: It's just an animal that wants to.

Jack: Eat blood, needs it. That's just its food source. Yeah, it's just as food source. So yes, it wants a blood, but it's because it's hungry.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that sustains it. Now the interesting part is when you're on that side. You don't need the blood to sustain you. You're just over there. The blood allows you to be sustained. Over here. Blood is physical. And what you're getting, you're not drinking the blood as this ethereal being, what.

Cristina: Are you doing with it?

Jack: You're sucking out the emotion that was in it. The fear.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Which somehow now I don't know the answer to this question, which is why can they access it? But I guess the same idea would apply inside of a church. When you're giving out a certain emotion and it's connecting to the other side, something about our emotions is what's important. Yes. It could cross the threshold. And if Chupacabra. Now, a wet judge can be around the place where fear exists, it can manifest something about fear allows beings on the other side to manifest on this end.

Cristina: And with the people that end up killing their family over this. Was it the Wetchaj or the Wendingo?

Jack: Either.

Cristina: Or the person that's involved, is he being influenced by this spirit thing?

Jack: Yes. What happens is the emotions of the opposite side come across as well. Emotions exist perfectly fine on both sides.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something about it connects. Fear seems to be the strongest of all the emotions that drives ever everything again on both sides. Exactly. If we go back to the church and we think of what people are doing when they are praying, they think there's a God who's gonna punish them. Fear is what they're using to connect to this higher thing. And thus the angel gets a clear thing to the. And the angel probably believes that it has a God on that side too. If it's born on that side, it doesn't know where it came from. It's gonna die eventually.

Cristina: It went to its church and prayed.

Jack: It went to his church and prayed. But out of fear, like what happens when I die. That it's ex crisis that we all have on the inside is fear. And somehow that connects us. And a wet judge that receives this can. If you're somewhere where there is way a lot of fear, a lot of fear you can manifest, you don't need to even generate the fear. That's why places like mental asylums where people are delusional and confused and scared about their situation, they don't. They're maybe not even in the right state of mind. And they're just horrified of where. They don't know where they are. They don't know why.

Cristina: They think they're haunted. Or a lot of them are haunted after they're closed down.

Jack: Yes. Because all the emotion that was intensely felt in there stays there.

Cristina: It stays there. But the stuff that's haunting it is really just shadow people.

Jack: Yes, creatures from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just they can more easily manifest in those locations. And over there on that side, that might be a place that hasn't shut down. It's just a fully functional place. But as you're wandering through there, you see many things. Maybe on the other side it is abandoned. And so where would creatures that are feral go? They're going to go to abandoned places where they're not going to be hunted and killed by things on the other side. Oh, so they would go to abandoned places.

Cristina: Yeah. And so is there more feral things over there or is it equally on both sides?

Jack: It should theoretically be equal on both sides.

Cristina: Okay, so it's.

Jack: It's very similar to this side. Yeah, it's just not this side.

Cristina: But it's not this side.

Jack: But it's not this side. Then we go to the gray wolf. The gray wolf is similar to the coyote. They're both wolves, but their genetics respond different. Now, every single coyote of the same type would experience adrenochrome the same way.

Cristina: So equaling a chupacabra, always, a wolf.

Jack: Already had a certain genetic structure that was different. And every gray wolf that has adrenochrome will turn into a werewolf. Without exception.

Cristina: All these werewolves work the same.

Jack: All the werewolves work well. All the wolves work the same. Well, all creatures in general are going to turn to something different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very few scenarios do they not. Most cases, they are physically altered one way or another. And in the case of the gray wolf, they all become werewolves. Now, the circumstances again, have to be quite specific, or you give it to them. You either need to be a person who has adrenochrome, acquired strong doses and gave it to them, or some weird chance led to them consuming a person who's like, horrified. Who had horrified? Doesn't even matter. It needs to be enough to produce the high dose of adrenochrome that could alter it. Because just horrified isn't enough. You could eat somebody horrified. Nothing happens. It wasn't high enough, but you cross the threshold and then you consume that person. Now, that's gonna alter your DNA and.

Cristina: Turn you into a werewolf.

Jack: Yes, you are way more intelligent. Way more intelligent. Now, some creatures have proven to be more intelligent than the werewolf, and we'll get to that shortly. Because the werewolf is, although now bipedal, standing tall, grows in size significantly, grows in intellect significantly, is still primitive. Next To a human thinking brain who hasn't even taken Adrenoc, they just happen to be overpowered a million times faster, physically monstrous, and could wreck walls. Yes. Now, when a werewolf dies, their physical being goes. The adrenochrome gave their conscious mind control. They cross over, they become the Wendigo.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And that is just a werewolf on the other side.

Cristina: Okay. And they look different. Well, I guess we don't see what they look like. They're just shadows, really.

Jack: Over here, they're just shadows. We have no idea what it looks like over there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We'd have to be there to see.

Cristina: What it looks like. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, we have no idea what it looks like. But over here, what crossed over looks kind of like a wolf. Like a weird, fuzzy shadow wolf. But it's just because we're seeing something that isn't really here.

Cristina: Because it's in the shadow realm.

Jack: Because it's in the shadow realm, humans are already particularly intelligent. They take it. They, again, like everything else, get immortal. Keep in mind the werewolf also became immortal. And it was a werewolf for longer than it was a wolf. It could last many, many decades. Centuries. Millennia. And its conscious mind believes that's it. And that is what manifests on the other side. Humans become vampires.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yes. Our understanding of vampires are what humans become. They are agile, they are fast, they are way more intelligent than they were previously. They are capable creatures. They are powerful creatures. And when you die, you cross over.

Cristina: A vampire, and then you're a shadow vampire. In a way, yes.

Jack: What we see are these beings that can outsmart us. They seem to trick us everywhere. We often call the humans that continue to interact with us on this side tricksters. We call them gods because their ability. They're super intelligent and they know.

Cristina: They know what they want.

Jack: They know what they want, and they know where they are relative to where they came from, which feral creatures don't seem to be aware of because they're still just creatures.

Cristina: So they're just attacking anything.

Jack: Yeah. They can see over here, when they're around enough emotion to manifest, but they're not thinking, oh, there was enough of emotion. And I'm a manifest. Yeah, A vampire can make that choice.

Cristina: Actively pop up wherever he wants to.

Jack: Because you're aware of the rules, you're aware of how it works, and you could choose to do it while the werewolf is still chaotic and madness is not thinking. I'm a manifest on the other side.

Cristina: And these things need food to survive, too. These shadows. Yes.

Jack: There's food over there. As Normal. And there's food over here as normal. And fear allows you to manifest, and you can sort of influence things on this side. And we feel the emotions of that side the way they feel our emotions that allow them to form. And what happens is when we feel their emotions, what happens when they feel ours? They can be over here a little more, except we're literally over there and over here. So what they're f****** with is a version of us that's being sucked to that side a little more. And they can still hurt us over there and it affect us over here if we're starting to manifest more and more on that end.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that's how somebody gets. For example, the wet judge gets inside of a person's head. This person goes and kills their whole family.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're feeling the rage that a hungry wetcha just feeling.

Cristina: What about the people who are attacked by what they think are like, their dead family members that are in the grave, and they're like they're drinking the life out of me. Is that really just a shadow person? Those are shadow people maybe drinking their life in that other shadow realm.

Jack: Yes. Well, it looks like when it comes to a lot of these creatures, the feral argument we had seems to take place exclusively over there now. Yeah. Vampire who doesn't have adrenochrome can become a feral and be dangerous on this side before they even die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they can live feral. The same idea applies over there, but it doesn't have to do with blood necessarily. It has to do with the fact that maybe too much emotion is overwhelming.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And they lose sanity.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's just out there attacking anything and everything. This.

Cristina: They stop thinking because of too much emotion.

Jack: Too much emotion.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah.

Jack: It's f****** crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, humans cross over, as we discussed. They become the jinn. A jinn is clever. It is smart. Again, over here, we call them humans. Well, we did. Yeah. Those are just humans. When they cross over, they're a jinn. But often over here, we call them tricksters. We call them gods. We call them all these other things, but it's a jinn. It's just a person.

Cristina: Okay. This is unrelated to the vampire.

Jack: This is the vampire. Vampire crosses over.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The human is the vampire. The vampire is the gin.

Cristina: All right. It's just a different name.

Jack: Well, the vampire is on this side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The djinn is once. It's over there. That's the title we've accurately. When we're talking about djinns, we're talking about that yes. Now, instances that sort of break the illusion of blood being a necessity are when we consider gorillas.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, a gorilla is not necessarily even a meat eater. They could survive off of fruit and stuff like that. And then you give them adrenochrome and.

Cristina: Then they become something.

Jack: They become a Sasquatch. They become a Sasquatch, their intellect does skyrocket. It becomes almost human, like, just like.

Cristina: They're not after me or anything.

Jack: No, it just follows them by a tiny little bit. We. I mean, they follow hu. It's intellect follows human just by a tiny little bit.

Cristina: It's not for the emotion. What is it for? The emotion?

Jack: No, that has nothing to do with the emotion.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: When they have adrenochrome, the Sasquatch's intellect goes up as one of the physical responses it has.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And its intellect goes almost to that of a human, just not quite there. Just super close, but not quite there. And it doesn't chase meat any more than it did before. It's equally elusive. Sometimes it's more elusive. It uses intellect to like, what the f*** am I? And it's just like, let me stay awake because I know they're gonna kill me if they see me or some s*** like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it doesn't like, strive to kill or anything. And it also doesn't become feral.

Cristina: There's no feral version.

Jack: There's no feral version. And it does stay immortal.

Cristina: Is it just that meat. Meat eaters are turning?

Jack: I don't know. That's an interesting point. That's a very interesting point. It could be additionally a. Like, they're immortal in the sense that they're gonna live way longer than our scope can understand. And when they cross over, they have their own thing over there too. But on this side, their physical transformation and everything, nothing seems to affect it in any kind of negative way. It's just gonna live longer. It's way better and stronger than everything around it.

Cristina: And it hides.

Jack: And it could hide more effectively. Now, when a gorilla dies, it becomes a creature called a Shojo. And a Shojo is literally the translation for a. Now this is. I don't remember what culture it's from, but they've seen many of these repeatedly. And it's a spirit ape.

Cristina: A spirit ape?

Jack: Yep. It's a ethereal, ambiguously shaped. Kind of looks like the cross between an ape and a person. And it's a spirit of some sort.

Cristina: So it's probably the Sasquatch.

Jack: It's the Sasquatch that died?

Cristina: Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's from somewhere.

Jack: Yeah, it's. I believe it's either Shinto or some kind of Chinese mythology that they have that they actively have seen these creatures.

Cristina: And these things are also peaceful.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They're trolls, but they don't really harm anybody.

Cristina: Oh, they're a bit of a trickster. Like.

Jack: Yes. It seems like intellect leads to trolling pretty often.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which definitely gives way to the argument that when a ghost is haunting you, it's really just a shadow person. Like bored.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the interesting between the Sasquatch is that there's something very similar to it that we kind of associated with it probably through all of time. But in looking into this, I did not realize that it wasn't this other thing. So bears all have their own forms as well. But there is one particular interesting thing that when you give a bear adrenochrome, specifically a polar bear, it becomes a yeti.

Cristina: A yeti. Okay.

Jack: And the yeti, when you put it next to a Sasquatch, you suddenly realize.

Cristina: They'Re not the same thing.

Jack: They're not the same thing. The features are so ape in a Sasquatch, while the yeti seems to be hair everywhere. It's a. Its hands are fuzzy, its face is fuzzy. It's a f****** bear. But I never thought about this until I started looking for where it comes from, for what's surrounding it.

Cristina: See a picture of a yeti. I can't remember what it looks like. Okay.

Jack: You see the difference?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The yeti is just a f******. I don't know why we didn't think about it. We just. Monkey man. It's cuz everything has to be human because we're f****** human. We're like always. It's us. It has to be us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, no f****** way. It's us.

Cristina: And they're peaceful.

Jack: They're also peaceful. Which is weird because it breaks the argument that a meat eater would become a meat eater. A yeti doesn't eat meat. It could survive off of fish and s***, but berries and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The reactions are so different that it doesn't keep consistent across the board.

Cristina: Is there a ghost version?

Jack: Yes. The ghost version of the yeti is called an onikuma. And that's basically, we've called it a demonic spirit bear. Literally translated to demonic shadow bear.

Cristina: But is it demonic?

Jack: No, it's just again, a spirit. It's shadowy on our side. Yes.

Cristina: Demon.

Jack: It's anomalous on our side. The cultures that have seen it are still relatively primitive cultures that live on the outskirts of the planet rather than in giant societies where we develop quickly. So the stories are still really primitive and it's by people who weren't so developed. So they're still describing anything that's not human as demon, essentially. Okay, and now to keep talking about variants of this. Earlier I said not everything has a physical response to adrenochrome. To adrenochrome. And that's where we have the variants of groundhogs.

Cristina: Groundhogs?

Jack: Well, of rodents particularly. Now, the groundhog himself doesn't change into anything. It takes adrenochrome.

Cristina: And it still looks like.

Jack: And it still looks like a groundhog.

Cristina: But so do humans.

Jack: Yes. We physically don't go through a lot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, interesting, right?

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: The groundhog does become faster. It does become smarter. It does live centuries because faster.

Cristina: You had stories of it faster, but.

Jack: It physically remains the same.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: But a beaver, that is the cousin, becomes a whole other creature called a kolokolo.

Cristina: Is that a also friendly thing or what? What's going on with that creature?

Jack: Not necessarily. A colo. Colo is. Doesn't have human like intellect, but is quite the savage because of it. While the groundhog has human literally comparable to a human. No other creature matches a human intellect than a groundhog. Than a groundhog it seems to be. Now, there's probably others, but based on what we got in response to questions, this.

Cristina: Is the adrenochrome affecting its intelligence?

Jack: Yes. And it brings it all the way up to humans basic intelligence.

Cristina: Well, it does not do the same for the beaver. The beaver?

Jack: Nope. Now, interesting enough, when they cross over, they both cross over as a very similar creature.

Cristina: And they have different names.

Jack: No, it's exactly the same name because it seems to be exactly the same creature. Whether it's feral or not is the problem because this creature is sometimes perfectly innocent and fine, and other times it's violent and gruesome.

Cristina: So you could assume it might be one or the other.

Jack: Guess based on behavior. And that's called a choppa, a chapa. Yeah. And it's a rodent spirit. But the chapa only comes from beavers and groundhogs and similar things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So genetically they're so close that they.

Cristina: Look the same on the other side.

Jack: Yes, they look the same on the other side.

Cristina: Okay. But in this side, they look. They don't change at all, pretty much.

Jack: The beaver does change.

Cristina: The beaver changes.

Jack: Okay, Beaver changes into the kola kola, which is basically a gruesome, like Giant rat monster.

Cristina: A giant rat monster. Awesome.

Jack: It looks like a dog's eye size.

Cristina: Dog size. Yeah.

Jack: Imagine a sharp toothed brat the size of a dog. And that's the colo. Colo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So these are just details from the other side.

Cristina: Details from the other side.

Jack: Now we have a way clear image of what's happening, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Before it was like, well, it could be this, it could be that. No, this is what's going on.

Cristina: This is from just people collecting stories.

Jack: This is data.

Cristina: Data.

Jack: This is all data. Now focusing entirely just on the shadow realm for a second and talking about the creatures that are on that side. I only mentioned two and I mentioned.

Cristina: The two obvious ones, the demons and angels.

Jack: The demons and angels, which are just beings from that side. And there are many more that behave in different ways the same way. We have animals and we have creatures of different sorts, as are there creatures on the other side, some of which are unbelievably notable. Like what, for example? A leviathan.

Cristina: A leviathan.

Jack: Leviathan is a large serpent like creature and it can shapeshift.

Cristina: Is that from the Bible or from something else?

Jack: It's from many systems, including the Bible.

Cristina: Many systems.

Jack: Many systems have that. Many belief systems, many theologies.

Cristina: Do they all call them that or is it just a giant serpent? And like the descriptions are like the descriptions are the same.

Jack: Funny enough, the descriptions are always identical and the name a good half of the time is leviathan, just in a different language. Well, but a lot of times it's just called giant serpent or it has a different name that is talking about the same creature, but they're all talking about leviathans that are just giant shape shifting snakes, that their main form is the snake. It's like a sea. It's like a sea serpent.

Cristina: It's a shapeshifter.

Jack: Here's an interesting thing about that shapeshifter and it's about a creature we never found. But we found what it was protecting.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: We once took a trip under the lake and we found a base. And what was supposed to be protecting that base that we never found?

Cristina: The sea monster.

Jack: The sea monster. Nessie.

Cristina: Nessie is the one.

Jack: We only see the neck and think there's a body. No, the reason we can't find it is because it's not there. We're seeing. And what do we see in the photos that do get taken? A shadowy serpent.

Cristina: She's a leviathan.

Jack: It's a leviathan. And we're seeing this side. What we would see its shadow form.

Cristina: Okay. And those other sea monsters are probably also leviathans pretty frequently.

Jack: Yes. And this also goes to say that when, for example, we see Sasquatch in the woods and we try to take a picture, it looks like it's. It's literally. It's funny that I've made this joke before, but it is literally that it is fuzzy.

Cristina: It's because it's the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Because it's the Shadow Realms version of it. Oh, we're seeing the Shoju. If we manage to get a clear picture, then we have one from this side.

Cristina: But we've been taking pictures of the Shadow Realm version.

Jack: Yes. Because they have no reason to hide from us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So we see a fuzzy. And it's literally because it is fuzzy.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which takes us to other things that would be considered animals on the other side that we have seen but haven't seen.

Cristina: Like shadow people themselves.

Jack: Shadow people themselves. One of them is unicorns.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We see unicorns, but we never see unicorns. It was there and then suddenly it wasn't there.

Cristina: They live in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: They are creatures from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What?

Jack: As well as dragons.

Cristina: No way. What? So everything we thought that we saw but never really saw, most of the.

Jack: Things that we thought we saw but can't prove exist is because we'd have no means to do. And it's because they come from the. We're seeing rough images of something from somewhere else.

Cristina: And they're from the Shadow Realm.

Jack: The Shadow Realm. We only think of it as a dark place because we're using the word shadow. Yes, but it is just different.

Cristina: It's a magical place. Well, they're not magical, though.

Jack: But they're not magical. But it is a different kind of place where these things exist. And talking about magical, there are a couple of beings, naturally, with the ability to exist fully in both places, but. But only exist in one at a time. And I don't know the explanation behind this, but pixies and goblins both have the ability to enter and exit, which we can't even do. Yeah. The Shadow Realm. When they're in the physical realm, they are not in the Shadow Realm. They are not there. They don't have two versions. They have one. And somehow they don't exist in two realms at once, but because of that, they can 100% exit one and enter the other, but they do it at will, as if their shadow version and their physical version are the same. Are the same.

Cristina: Can they die.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: Okay. I'm totally gonna investigate this.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know if they could die. I don't know what's happening. They don't require adrenochrome. There's no. They could just move seamlessly between the two.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. I'm gonna. I'm gonna figure it out.

Jack: And the weirdest part about them is that I found it in many, many, many places. Mentions Pixies and goblins move seamlessly. They seem to disappear in front of you sometimes. There's no way they could have shown up. And they're just f****** there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this is consistent. And it's through hundreds of systems that they say the same f****** things about the same two m************. I don't know how the f*** it works. Additionally, reapers are from limbo. Reapers are. When we're talking demons, that's as close as we can get because demons on that side, we're being a*******, essentially calling some conscious, fully thinking creature that's just not following.

Cristina: What exactly is a reaper supposed to be?

Jack: A reaper is a sort of feral being that consumes life force. What it feeds on is your shadow form.

Cristina: Oh, that's the thing that I was talking about. That might be why you're dying and you blame it on the dead. But it might be a reaper.

Jack: S***. I guess it could be a reaper that's doing that. Yeah, I guess it would be. So a reaper feeds on your shadow energy. It feeds on your shadow self and. Because if one dies, the other dies.

Cristina: Exactly. Oh my gosh. That explains those stories.

Jack: Yes. So you could die if your spirit form dies, although if your shadow form dies. But not many things can interact with your shadow form.

Cristina: Do you know what a reaper looks like? Or are there no real good descriptions from over there?

Jack: We have no way of telling. We don't know what a demon really looks like.

Cristina: We have ideas.

Jack: We don't know what an angel looks like. We've literally described them as just pure energy. The reaper is the same idea. It's just their behavior that we can tell is different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And what they look like roughly? Over here, we've seen that the manifestation of some angels looks humanoid, but then there are some angels that look so alien. But it could just be a different creature that we're also bunching into the umbrella term called angel.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there could just be a 300 eyeball looking creature that is fully sentient thanks to the caliber of a human. And all that. And then we see it and we're like, that's an angel. But wait, that guy that looks like a man is an angel? And they're both. We're calling them both angels, but they're different creatures entirely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's a possibility. There could be many sentient human level intellect creatures. It's impossible to tell without being there.

Cristina: Like a goblin and a pixie.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I mean, no, you would know those two specifically because you said they are physically here and physically there.

Jack: Physically here. Physically.

Cristina: Those two we know for sure?

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: Everything else.

Jack: There might be others that could do it, but those were, like, the most prominent. Anytime information on this came up, and anytime I asked these. These creatures for more, all of them talked about how every possible. And I looked, I referenced everything. I checked all of it. Yes, it's mentioned over and over.

Cristina: Check it out. I'm gonna figure it out. What?

Jack: So, yeah, this was amazing. Going in on the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The Shadow realm. For Happy St. Patrick. No, sorry.

Jack: Happy Groundhog Day.

Cristina: Groundhog Day.

Jack: Well, it all. It all came out of Groundhog's Day, which is great. But, yeah, this is the result of that. I got curious and I had to find out because I don't. I don't believe in mysticism. I do not. And I knew there was an explanation for this stuff.

Cristina: And this is a good enough explanation.

Jack: Yeah. The interesting part about this is the most interesting part about everything we just talked about is the fact that technology could theoretically be built to get you there. Again, my comparison at the very beginning was intentional. It is kind of like a different frequency.

Cristina: And what technology do you need?

Jack: Imagine a time machine that allows you to move forward and back in time. Or imagine taking a chemical that allows you to elevate up and down dimensions. That's all technology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some are chemicals, some are machines. The same way that you can go up and down dimensions forward and back through time, you can move side to side through realms. Another thing I should point out in saying that is the Shadow Realm isn't the only realm other than ours. That was just all I was talking about.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: I also found that there is quite the number of realms. Quite the number of realms.

Cristina: Did you check them all out?

Jack: No, but I know they're there.

Cristina: Oh, man, that's interesting.

Jack: Many realms, many dimensions, many universes, many timelines. Everything applies equally. That is not the only one.

Cristina: That's too much. That's too much.

Jack: And we exist in all of us.

Cristina: Simultaneously, and we live in all of them.

Jack: It's basically the X, Y, Z axises, we're thinking, you know, we're always in the Y axis. We're always in the X axis. Time. We're always moving through time, forward and back, depth.

Cristina: But there's so much more going on.

Jack: There's so much more. We have the Y, I guess X is so Z axis is depth. Right. Z axis is time forward and back through the same kind of experience, while the Y axis is dimensions up and down, but the X axis left and right are dimensions. And this is just our interaction with one of them.

Cristina: Amazing, man. But the other realms, there should in.

Jack: Theory be chemicals or technologies that can allow us to access the other realms the same way. And it's not adrenochrome. There would be something else, equal, but opposite.

Cristina: And we gotta find out what that is and what creatures can do it and etc.

Jack: Here's the problem. I think we know creatures that can do it. And that takes us back to the f****** pixies and the goblins. If they are one thing. Are they one thing regardless of how many different realms and can they easily and seamlessly move between them?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alternatively, I only said as an explanation that heaven, h*** and limbo are all the same place. But do we simultaneously exist through all of them and they are all different realms? Because it was just an easy way to summarize it. But we don't f****** know.

Cristina: We don't know. Wow. Well, hopefully I'm gonna at least go through the pixie hunt and see what I find through them and maybe we'll see these other realms mentioned.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: And I'm gonna see if I can find which technolog maybe get us to access the shadow realm. And if that works, there are many other places we can go.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed this and if you did, there is a previous part to this and many topics discussing all these creatures and so many.

Cristina: Other episodes to check out.

Jack: Yeah, just it's. It's so much. Just go look at all the other stuff. Yes, and you can find all that other stuff on the official website greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.

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Jack: Word of mouth people. Always great to kindly ask somebody to listen to the show. Do it peacefully and you know, kindness goes a long way. You tell them lovingly man, I would love if you listen to this with me. And you never know, somebody might be interested.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. And he's one of the four gods.

Cristina: Shaggy 100% can rewrite the last 20 years of their history. 150% can create and destroy planets. 200 to 1000%. Not much. Only his existing abilities become stronger and can rewrite the last 2000 years and can destroy galaxies, etc. Where are these percentages coming from? 1500% can and will destroy Fred, leading to a utopia.

Jack: To a utopia. Here's what's interesting about this and completely fascinating. He's the God of destruction. Shaggy is the God of destruction.

Cristina: He is. Is the cat God.

Jack: Yeah. He's the real Beerus.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 23, 2021

Rambling 117: Groundhog Day Shadow People

January 23, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just Conversation, Grounhog Day, Comedy, Holiday, Tradition, Shadow People

Exactly what happens on Groundhog day? Where did the tradition originate? And what are the deeper implications? A deep dive into Groundhog day and more.

Story:
Diving even deeper into the case of the shapeshifters, the duo realize that even national traditions have always been part of this great conspiracy of monster and politics. Unpacking the true implications of Groundhog Day takes the duo into previously uncharted territories and brings a new creature into play! What is it and how will they deal with the new found foe? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Winter Solstice
Spring Equinox
Phil the Groundhog
Adrenochrome
Shadow People
Feral Shadow Figures
Media Manipulation
Ghosts
Fear
Jinn
Thought Forms
The Hat Man
E.T.
Aliens
Catholic Church

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to go find somebody kind and loving who doesn't like podcasts and introduce them to this show, because they will love podcast. Because that's how it works.

Cristina: That's how it works. They're just magically gonna love this podcast.

Jack: They're gonna love all podcasts after they listen to our podcast. If you've been trying to get somebody to listen to podcasts this entire time, you play them doing it this podcast, they'll be educated. They're gonna argue with each other. You get into good, like, healthy dialogue, and then you end up the End Up Loving podcast because they're like, wow, that was a real deep conversation. I don't normally have lengthy conversations with anybody. I know. All conversations I have are small talk.

Cristina: Or arguments.

Jack: Or arguments. Not really. Here's the. Here's the thing. People think they're arguing, but they're not.

Cristina: They're not. What are they doing?

Jack: Well, in order to have an argument.

Cristina: I guess they're not.

Jack: Need information to argue with.

Cristina: They get angry and then they walk away.

Jack: Yes. People get angry repeating their same unthought out, unfactually supported information over and over and over until they fail at convincing the other person, which should never be the goal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they leave.

Cristina: And then they leave. Yeah.

Jack: So you repeat your information, get angry. They don't believe your information because they already have their own information, and then you leave.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: That's what happens. It's not an argument. That's not a debate. That's just a person talking to themselves, getting angry and walking away.

Cristina: That's conversations today.

Jack: Yep. America.

Cristina: Yes. So anyways, remember that episode where we talked about weather, folklore, and weird stuff like that?

Jack: Yeah. Back in the year 2020.

Cristina: It was a long, long time ago.

Jack: Yeah. Back in those days when. When chaos reigned in the streets, cities were on fire and all that good stuff. Yes, I remember vaguely. It was so long ago.

Cristina: Yes. Well, in that episode, we talked a little bit about groundhogs.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that. People are out of their f****** minds.

Cristina: Yes. And I want to talk more about Groundhogs? Because they're magical beings that need to be talked about. Not magical like the wombat who poops out square. Poops. But they're still pretty magical.

Jack: Magical, yes.

Cristina: Groundhog's Day is always on February 2nd.

Jack: Now, okay, okay, before we move any further, why?

Cristina: Why is it always on February 2nd?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because in the north, that day is the midpoint of the winter solstice and the spring equinox.

Jack: The f*** are those?

Cristina: The winter solstice is when it's the most dark the world is the darkest.

Jack: Like that's the day.

Cristina: Yes. That's the day that has the longest hours of night versus daylight versus the whole year. Yes.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And then the spring equinox is when it's equal. Day and night is equal.

Jack: Okay, so this creates a problem because how are those both on the same day unless it's a different part of the world in which it's equal?

Cristina: What? Okay, what do you mean?

Jack: It can't both be the darkest day and the day with the most equal amount of light?

Cristina: No, that's. The spring equinox is the equal.

Jack: Oh, s***. And that's not on February 2nd?

Cristina: No, that's March. February 2nd is the middle point between when we have the darkest day and the equal of day and night. Because It's.

Jack: Oh. So February 2nd isn't the darkest day?

Cristina: No.

Jack: When is the darkest day?

Cristina: In December, in wherever the winter equinox is, it's like December 21st.

Jack: Oh, the first day of winter.

Cristina: Yeah, around that time.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy f***. The first day of winter is the darkest day of the year?

Cristina: Yes. For sure? I think so. I'm pretty sure.

Jack: And then that means the first day of spring is the most equal day of the year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the first day of summer would then, by extension, be the brightest day of the year.

Cristina: Yes. Well, then around the day, it's not perfectly on the day, but, you know.

Jack: They just kind of summarize. Not summarize it, but, like, round it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means that February has an equinox. Not February, Autumn.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There are two equinoxes.

Cristina: Yes. There's two equinoxes, and then there's one.

Jack: Brightest day and one darkest day.

Cristina: Yeah. The winter solstice and the summer solstice, I guess.

Jack: F***. Maybe it's called the same thing, but it might have its own name.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Fascinating. Two equinoxes, a solstice, maybe a second solstice and. Or something else.

Cristina: And this day, though, is in between the solstice and the equinox. Which is just pretty much the middle of winter, I guess, would be.

Jack: No, this would be the end of winter, wouldn't it?

Cristina: Well, I guess it depends on the groundhog, if you think about it, because the groundhog is telling us whether winter is ending early or it's going to last.

Jack: That's weird because that doesn't. See, here's the. Here's the problem with that logic.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: We have this creature that's deciding whether the weather itself is going to be extended or the season is going to be extended. Because I think it's choosing whether it's going to stay cold and not weather. Winter, because winter is just a period.

Cristina: No, it's a measurement. It's the weather, I guess. Yeah, it's the weather.

Jack: Yeah. Because we're using a measurement system essentially, with the seasons. Like, the season doesn't stretch out.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Like it could be colder beyond the season.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting. It might actually. I don't know, depends. It might be towards the middle, though, because the idea here would be. Right. That the middle of winter would be about. So winter starts December 21st.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or 23rd, something like that. A whole month later is January 23rd.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The middle of winter should be half a month beyond that point, which would be the beginning of February.

Cristina: Okay, so then that's the middle of winter. Yeah.

Jack: Because every season is three months.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's exactly the middle of winter, which means it's half a winter away from spring.

Cristina: Mm. And people want to know, is the spring weather coming or not? Or I guess, is the winter weather going to continue until spring?

Jack: Yeah, like it's going to touch in through spring. That happens often. Spring is a weak a** season.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Spring doesn't last.

Cristina: So sad. It's such a great season, but it's weak.

Jack: Yeah. Summer and winter are the. The powerhouses when it comes to seasons, at least in our region.

Cristina: So the big question on February 2 is, will Phil see his shadow?

Jack: We call a random. That's the name of the f****** thing, isn't it?

Cristina: Yes, it's always Phil.

Jack: Is Phil immortal? Are we, like, thinking it's the same f****** groundhog?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: There's a whole backstory. Okay. His name is Pangsatani. Phil Panxutani. That's the place he comes from. That's the name of the city in Pennsylvania where Phil lives. So he's named after that city, but we'll call him Phil because that's easier to say. And, you know, if Phil sees his shadow, there's more weeks of winter the lore, though, is that there is only one Phil, and all the other groundhogs are imposters.

Jack: Okay. Is Phil immortal?

Cristina: Yes. There has been one groundhog that's been making these predictions since 1886, and he is kept alive by drinking the elixir of life that is given to him at the groundhog picnic every fall.

Jack: Oh, my. Everything comes back to it.

Cristina: What goes back to what?

Jack: To adrenochrome.

Cristina: To adrenochrome. You think they're giving him the adrenochrome?

Jack: They're giving him adrenochrome. And that's how the f*** this groundhog is staying alive.

Cristina: Ah, that's so crazy. Although him being the only groundhog is also crazy.

Jack: Immortality. We already know that the Holy Grail was an ancient method of creating adrenochrome. It was a chalice filled with blood, which, by the way, we definitely have to talk about at some point.

Cristina: And we'll call that the elixir of life.

Jack: The elixir of life is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: You'd need a virgin's blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Inside a chalice. The chalice really didn't matter. It was what was in the chalice that mattered.

Cristina: Which is the child's blood. Feeding that to a badger.

Jack: It's a badger.

Cristina: I mean, to groundhog. We're giving that to a groundhog?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What? Why are we wasting it on a groundhog? That's weird. Unless we really believe his powers.

Jack: That's where it goes. Here's the thing. We've already established Adrenochrome gives at least some weird other dimensional creature powers to some degree and allows them to keep their shape on this side of the realm. So it reacts differently depending on who we give it to. It's kind of like, like the X gene or some, you know, like it presents itself different. It's coronavirus. It's different in everybody.

Cristina: It's different. Everyone.

Jack: And so you give it to the groundhog, to the groundhog, and it has weather prediction powers. You give it to humans, they become immortal. And some of them react particularly weird and get really fast, really strong, really quick.

Cristina: This groundhog gets a really weak power, though. I mean, besides living forever, that's pretty good.

Jack: That's pretty good. I don't think that groundhog is arguing. It's like, they'll bring this to me. I don't have to do s*** else but tell them about the weather.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My question is, is the groundhog self aware? Like it has to be at this point, right? Like it comes out knowing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I just gotta tell them about the.

Cristina: Weather because there's more to the story.

Jack: Oh, please, do tell.

Cristina: Okay, so according to the Groundhog Club, Phil, after he makes his prediction, speaks to the president of the club in the language of groundhoggies, which only the club president can understand, and then he can translate what Phil said to him. So.

Jack: Okay, okay, so to be perfectly clear, yes. That groundhog is part of the elites, and that's how he has access to the Adrenochrome. There is a weird, like, blood pact happening here in which he is definitely part of a club.

Cristina: Yes, he's a part of a club. He has the secret language.

Jack: Yeah. Whatever club this is has access to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that groundhog and the Queen have connections that they both know of.

Cristina: Mm. He might be named after Prince Philip.

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: His name is Phil?

Jack: No, man. And so this groundhog is a fully. Like other groundhogs are just groundhogs. This is a groundhog that thinks to the capacity of a human. He just doesn't speak English.

Cristina: Yeah, he speaks this other language, so.

Jack: It looks like he has a s***** power, but immortality and the IQ of an average human are kind of nice perks for a groundhog. Basically, he can outsmart every groundhog. Always. Forever.

Cristina: Yes. That's why he's spreading this lie that all the other groundhogs are imposters. I don't know why he lie.

Jack: That's the truth. They don't have the Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, they're not him.

Jack: They're not him. Yeah, it's not that they're. It's not like the birdhogs. Yeah, it's not like the birds.

Cristina: Like the birds. Oh, being imposters.

Jack: Yeah, it's not like that.

Cristina: So Groundhog Day comes from Celtic and Germanic traditions that say if a hibernating animal casts a shadow on that date, winter will last longer. Just like the groundhog. In Germany they watch the badger, and in France and England they use a.

Jack: Bear, which is epic in so many.

Cristina: Different ways and sounds really dangerous.

Jack: It does. It definitely does. But assuming that the same circumstance that takes place with the groundhog, where it gets its dose of adrenochrome, its intellect rises to that of a human and it only needs a single dose a year. It is no longer just a violent, savage animal. Now it's the apex elite, intellectually superior one of its kind. Not only that, but this is us assuming that there are a fuckton of different animals who are part of this Club of elites. There is one of however many different animals inside of a club where the elites are. Meaning it's completely possible that they have connections that are similar to one another. So, like, there could be a intellectual bear that is sharing connections with somebody like the queen, who also requires adrenochrome for her immortality.

Cristina: Yes, she definitely. She's. How is she? What?

Jack: Yes, that's particularly interesting. Now, the question is. So this groundhog takes adrenochrome, its intellect rises, it's immortal, it gets this power to predict the weather.

Cristina: Maybe it has powers to predict other things, but only on this specific day, though, because why in this weird. In between spring and winter, it needs to predict. Because maybe it needs to predict a lot more than just the weather.

Jack: And what the people get told is only about the weather. Yes, which is interesting. Proof of this possibly being the case is similar to when people take psilocybin mushrooms. You can have two completely different people who've never met the same guy who gave them the drugs, don't know anything other than they're gonna have a great trip. You give it to them, they go trip on their own things. They've never done any research. They're both gonna come back and they're both gonna say one thing that's commonly discussed within the groups of people who do psilocybin. And it's pink elephants.

Cristina: Pink elephants.

Jack: You have pink elephants? Pink elephants. A creature who seem. That seems to not exist. Sometimes they're very tiny, tiny pink elephants. And it's like, okay, what the h*** are you talking about? But how do you both have this story? You don't know each other. You didn't come here together. I saw you one at a time. You didn't do any research. Why do you both know about pink elephants? They must be real. There must be pink elephants. And taking psilocybin mushrooms removes a filter that blocks them out. There must be a realm that we can't see without them.

Cristina: You think adrenochrome also helps you see this realm?

Jack: Adrenochrome could either help you see this realm or something equal to it, or something, maybe not necessarily a different realm. Who knows what it's doing? Because like any other chemical, it's affecting your body. And we know for a fact it's affecting their mind to the point that this groundhog can engage in dialogue with a member of the club.

Cristina: And maybe they chose the shadow for a specific reason, because it's communicating or it's getting information from the shadow, like it's a creature itself.

Jack: That is fascinating. So the possibility that maybe the groundhog doesn't get the ability to predict the.

Cristina: Future, the ability to communicate with a different creature.

Jack: Yes. Maybe it's not seeing the future of the weather. Maybe all it does is become immortal and become intelligent enough to communicate with a person at the degree of a person, but in their own language.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really, what you need this creature to have those things for, that's the reward the creature gets for being a Kinect, a connect.

Cristina: Why wouldn't they need a human to connect?

Jack: Because whatever the case is, the groundhog has whatever it is to see whatever this shadow thing is that's giving it information.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That reminds me of shadow people, which is like, we can't see them. So maybe the groundhog can see them because in the stories we only see them through the edge of our eye or something. It's always that kind of thing of you sort of see the creature, but you never really see it.

Jack: Like, you can never look straight at it.

Cristina: You can never look straight at it. Maybe he can look straight at this thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So the possibility that a groundhog gets rewarded with immortality and high intellect, thus allowing it to survive amongst its kind as the superior, maybe even the leader of the groundhogs, that's its reward for conveying information from these shadow creatures to the club leader. It's kind of like aliens. We basically have somebody who can communicate with aliens, except it's like a demon or something.

Cristina: What is a demon?

Jack: The shadow. What the f*** is the shadow people?

Cristina: The shadow people. Oh, that is complicated. So complicated. There are people who think that shadow people have been around forever and that every story about shadows is relating to shadow people, because many religions, legends and folklore and stuff like that mention shadow people or like shadow entities. They might not call them people, but there's no real. You can't really see them. You know, no one could really see them.

Jack: And because we can't see them, we can't really interact with them in any kind of way that we know they're as intelligent as people.

Cristina: We assume that they're all the same thing, too.

Jack: Like they're one race of things.

Cristina: Yeah. So we call them the shadow people and the shadow people that we know that people think of. Now, though, this new idea of it, the idea that shadow people have always been around comes from a radio show that talked to a Native American elder named Thunderstrikes. And she made the shadow people popular pretty much because she talked about it. And then a bunch of people brought in images and Drawings of what shadow people look like. And it became a popular thing. Maybe it's mass hysteria.

Jack: Total possibility. But the problem is we have a groundhog that's communicating with something.

Cristina: Yeah, well, there's a bunch of people who claim to have recordings and images of these shadow people on video. And I tried watching these videos and I'm not sure what they are. They could be, I don't know, they're shadow looking people. They look like your shadow. They look like your shadow, the ones in the videos. So I don't know if this is really video of shadow people or just a shadow or a ghost. That's another option. But the mentioning of shadow, like people throughout history. There's like in the Quran they mention a pitch black sapient being that isn't entirely spiritual or physical.

Jack: Interesting. So it's not spiritual, but it's not a solid physical being. Is it evil?

Cristina: People think it's evil. There's a lot of people that think it's evil. There's the only positive thing that it could be is a guardian angel. But I don't see that as one of the explanations.

Jack: Fascinating, because you have to associate dark with evil inherently.

Cristina: Yes, that's. I think that's why. Yeah.

Jack: So it's more likely we'd assume it's some sort of a demon.

Cristina: And the people in ancient Europe, you're not going to believe this, but they thought of the shadow beings as beings that wanted blood and without it couldn't be reborn.

Jack: And without it couldn't be reborn.

Cristina: Yes. What? What? Blood is always involved somehow.

Jack: Blood is always involved somehow. Adrenochroma is overpowered. The question is, what do they want blood from? Right. If they want blood from humans, why don't they just wait until you're sleeping?

Cristina: They do.

Jack: They wait until you're sleeping?

Cristina: Some of them do.

Jack: They're not trying to get adrenochrome by scaring you first? Maybe lingering in the corner or something that has energy.

Cristina: All those answers? Yes.

Jack: Then how the. So it's not adrenochrome if they just want blood?

Cristina: Well, they thought they just wanted blood. The people in ancient Europe believed that they wanted blood. But it could be more than just blood.

Jack: It could be adrenochrome.

Cristina: It could be adrenochrome.

Jack: This is interesting. So we have these people who basically have the chalice, Holy grail, the f****** elixir of life, fountain of youth, which is kill some kids after you've scared them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now you have adrenochrome, then go feed that Adrenochrome to animals. Take it yourself, too. You'll be immortal. It's assuring immortality to every creature of physical, biological presence. But it gives you abilities aside from immortality. So the queen might be seeing the future. This groundhog is immortal and is given the intellect of a human. Maybe anything that takes it has the intellect of a human. Which is why these older people who are on adrenochrome are incredibly sharp. It's not just they're immortal. Even if they're still aging, their mind stays sharp as f***.

Cristina: Whoa. What if they're. Okay, the ghost thing, Right? What if when these people die, their ghosts live on and they still need adrenochrome to continue living?

Jack: Holy s***. So you're telling me that the. The Shadow People are the original people who haven't, like, left this plane? They've just become this.

Cristina: Sort of Just get addicted to being here and. Or maybe they just fear dying. Yeah.

Jack: They've become an ethereal version of themselves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. So once your physical existence ceases, that does not mean you are dead. You still need.

Cristina: You still need it.

Jack: So then what we're saying is that humans taking adrenochrome can't see or communicate with the Shadow People. But we know the Shadow People are still members of the club that gave them the adrenal chrome that made them immortal in the first place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the people in the Shadow Realm, then, have access to information that we don't on this side. They're kind of like ghosts that exist, maybe in different times. Maybe they have access to information that is not inherent to us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So us with the. Because they can't even come in contact with us. Right.

Cristina: Well, when they attack us.

Jack: So they don't need the club members. So are they just helping us tell the future?

Cristina: Yeah. Well, those people, it's not like they're.

Jack: Doing it for Adrenochrome because they can just go get Adrenochrome.

Cristina: I guess if they're, like, feeding for Adrenochrome, they're gonna attack people? And some of them wait patiently for Adrenochrome to be given to them. Yeah. While others are like, no, I need this Adrenochrome now. Because they're still pretty human. I'm guessing. If they come from human, there's still a lot human about them.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're still sentient, thinking beings.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: But they communicate through this groundhog and. Or other animals.

Cristina: And a lot of these stories, for some reason, they see red eyes. I don't know. Why? But not all of them have red eyes. But some of them do. So maybe the ones that are attacking when you're sleeping are the ones with red eyes.

Jack: Interesting. So they don't always see red eyes.

Cristina: Those are probably the ones that need it the most.

Jack: Well, this reminds me a lot of, like, Fallout 4, right. Where you have ghouls, but you also have feral ghouls.

Cristina: Feral ghouls. These are feral shadow people.

Jack: Yes. So you have the people who can remain sane in this condition.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they're just like, it is what it is. But then you have the people who this is too much for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they go crazy, and they become these. So there could be millions of these things out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the only ones we're aware of are the ones doing crazy, creepy s***, because those are the ones interfering with normal life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's kind of like the difference between a good cop and a bad cop. There's way more good cops. There's way more good cops.

Cristina: We're talking about the best single percent.

Jack: Of a single percent of a single percent is the bad cop. But that's the only one we aim a camera at.

Cristina: Yes. And people are beginning to see them more. These things. They're seeing them. They're actually seeing them for longer periods of time. Something's changed once it became popular. Something. Something of the behavior of these shadow.

Jack: People have changed once it became popular. Well, assuming the elites. Right. The way they usually work is through media. They normalize something, and then it's more acceptable because it's popular.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Usually they have to force it into media. You want gay to be normal? Okay. We need to put it on tv, we need to put it in movies, we need to put in video games. Now, gay is normal. You want transgender normal? You put in movies, you put in video games. Okay. You want autism normal, Put in video games, whatever. Shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You want it normalized? Somebody has to mention it. This Native American mentioned it. Now it became popular. It's more so now people are more open to it. Eventually, we're gonna have horror movies showing the bad side, but then eventually there's gonna be, like, that zombie Warm Bodies, where there's. Somebody's gonna fall in love with a shadow person.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To normalize.

Cristina: Shadow what?

Jack: Shadow people are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm sure there were good shadow people in, like, Harry Potter or something.

Cristina: Oh, probably. But at the moment, it seems like the shadow people are very negative. There might be some that are good, because how do people think. They might be guardian angels.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: So there might Be some good ones, but most of them are negative. And most of the encounters accompany some feeling of dread with it, which is kind of adrenochrome. Y. Because they're. They're after that feeling.

Jack: Yes. They're trying to.

Cristina: They're making this feeling. They don't. They want you to feel that way. That's the purpose.

Jack: Yeah. Fear and misery is necessary, but some people have been.

Cristina: Have claimed to have actually been physically attacked with scratches and burns and being choked while they are sleeping during. What is that called? During sleep paralysis.

Jack: Now, the question is, is sleep paralysis even sleep paralysis, or is it you being restrained by shadow people?

Cristina: It could be you being restrained by shadow people because you always see that thing in the corner or whatever during that attack. So it could be the same thing. It could be waiting for something like that to happen too. So it's. We don't know which of the two came first.

Jack: I guess maybe they're not actively holding you down, but the reason you always see that thing isn't because they're waiting there. Rather, being this sort of ethereal being gives them this ability to hold you down, hold you down with their ethereal mind.

Cristina: They got abilities like the groundhog having abilities.

Jack: Because adrenochrome gives you abilities, except as a human, it gives you certain abilities. As a groundhog, it gives you certain abilities. But as an ethereal shadow person, the abilities it gives you are completely. You're no longer human. You have a whole other set of responses other than immortality.

Cristina: Mm. What? And because now that we're seeing them more, though, there are so many different types of how they could look like, like, ranging from a small child or a figure, a tall figure wearing a hat. I saw a video of the child. To me, it looks like a ghost. I don't think it's. It should be counted as shadow people, but it's. There's a line, I think, between ghost and shadow people.

Jack: My question is what we.

Cristina: Oh, well, I guess in this story, what we're talking about, they are ghosts. They're just ghosts with adrenochrome.

Jack: Well, here, let me point this out. The possibility that what people have been calling ghosts this whole time versus what we believe ghosts are, we've landed on what other people were talking about. Because when we talk about ghosts, we've landed on a ghost is more likely just some sort of echo. We're either seeing a different point in time, sort of phasing through our time briefly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or we're seeing a loop, some behavior that is echoing, repeating over and over. Which is why we see the same people walk through walls. And it's because there was a door there at some point or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're either seeing events from a different time happen in our current time and we can't interact with it. We're just seeing a faded out, phased version of it. Or we're seeing an echo repeat itself. It's not a conscious being doing anything. Or it is, but it's conscious in its own time. We wouldn't be able to change what's happening there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the dead, lingering, quote, spirit unquote.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Thing that is making active choices. Although people call that a ghost. Oh, it's following me. It's trying to. All these horrible things of. It's haunting me. It shows up in the middle of the night. It scares me. It does this. It tells me it's gonna kill me or leave this place or any of this bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's. That ghost is a shadow person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And what we've been calling a ghost, just an echo or a phased sight of a different time. So ghosts should no longer be ghosts. Unless you're gonna make a distinction between a ghost and a phantom and say a phantom is a shadow person and a ghost is an echo.

Cristina: Well, people, if they don't call it a ghost, they think of it as a spirit. Like it's in a. I guess the spirit is a broader category that ghost is involved. But it's not a ghost. But it's still in that type of realm. So if that word is good enough. I don't know. Spirit, ghost.

Jack: I don't know. Ghost is really a spirit is really broad. It really is. I feel like spirits more of just an energy, while a phantom seems to have some consciousness to it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Unless we're gonna say the phantom is.

Cristina: The echo, the phantom is the echo and the ghost is the shadow. No, I like ghost. No. I don't know.

Jack: Whatever. Point is, one of them is an echo or a phase time loop. And the other one.

Cristina: These are two different things that live in the spirit world.

Jack: Exactly. Okay, well, one of them lives in the spirit. No, they don't live in the spirit world. The shadow people live in here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no spirit world.

Cristina: There's this argument. Okay.

Jack: It's both here. Except one of them is a different time or an echo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And both of those cases are kind of like faded out and hard to see because it's not really here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other is the possibility that it's just a shadow person and that Seems likely. Because why would a ghost need you to be scared? And they're not just gonna have fun with it now it's like. Well, it's exciting to scare people. No, this should be a goal.

Cristina: Casper. It's just fun to scare people.

Jack: Well, no, you kind of just. There should always be a goal. Otherwise, you're gonna maximize your experience.

Cristina: Y.

Jack: So there's a goal. You need to do this for some reason. Why do so many ghosts want to scare people? Because fear.

Cristina: They're getting adrenaline. Yes.

Jack: And then you drain the person or. Fair enough. Think about it like this, right? We see the Holy Spirit and God. God needs adrenochrome. Thus mass genocides and murders and the Twin Towers falling and shooting fire out of the sky to kill many people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or creating panics in the world that last long times. And scare people. And he feeds off of the fear. When the fear doesn't work, he needs to kill for the blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the fear gives him what he needs.

Cristina: The fear is a much easier way.

Jack: Yes. So maybe as these shadow people, these phantoms, they are.

Cristina: They're doing the same thing.

Jack: The same thing. They're scaring people again.

Cristina: If they can't scare them, they're attacking people. They're being physical with you.

Jack: Yes. They will get more aggressive if they're.

Cristina: Not getting what they need.

Jack: What they need. If you're scared, they'll never hurt you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you're consistently scared. You're always checking under your bed. You're always panicking in the middle of the night. They're getting what they need from you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the harder you are, the harder they are. And this comes back to the same story we were talking about with Jehovah. Maybe his ultimate goal is to get somebody to transcend and be the next God. Because maybe he was just a person in a system that was trying to breed one next God so that his God could go do whatever it's doing or die. So he takes place.

Cristina: So do you think these shadow people are competing for that job?

Jack: They don't know they're competing for that job. They're just trying to stay alive. But they've already crossed to the next threshold.

Cristina: Yeah. They're closer to him than we are. Than we are. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Because they're already learning how to use not. They don't have to go kill somebody. They can just scare somebody to get it. Killing somebody's last resort now. Because they could just cause fear and get what they need when they can't. We got to go and off Some. Somebody.

Cristina: I think we figured it out.

Jack: Very interesting.

Cristina: Here are some other things that the shadow person could be. We talked about this creature, and in the sleep paralysis episode, it's called a jinn. And the jinns are creatures that are invisible, but when they do appear, they have a misty appearance that's almost human like. And we talked about how people who have sleep paralysis think it's this creature, the jinn, in a certain location where sleep paralysis is very common.

Jack: So a jinn and a shadow person are the same thing?

Cristina: Yes. It also could be thought forms. Have you ever heard of that? Thought form? Yes, Thought.

Jack: Thinking.

Cristina: Thought. Yes, Thinking, thought form.

Jack: Like you're projecting what you're seeing.

Cristina: Yes. Whether intentional or not, all these negative thoughts and energies, you're manifesting it. Yes. And all of us like a bunch of people together now. After someone made it on the radio talking about it, it became more real than it was before.

Jack: Interesting. Similar to a jinn that does show itself in Shinto. Occasionally a thought form is also, I don't know, had a name. But there are these sort of phantasm spiritual beings. Shinto is packed with spirits. And one of them is these things that negative energies do manifest. Beings that are corrupt and like, twisted and malicious. Because your good doesn't form a being, your good stays in you. Your body tries to expel the evil.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that has to go somewhere. And it collects and it forms these beings.

Cristina: Yes. That's a pretty good explanation. Then what? It could. They could also be interdimensional beings, which we talked about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But a while ago, I read a psychic medium talk about shadow people and that they're intelligent beings from a different dimension that can take different forms. That's probably why we see these beings as shadows, because we're not really looking at them, because we can't really see them because they're from a different dimension. So we're looking at a glimpse of them, maybe. Is that how interdimension works?

Jack: Well, here's the weirdest part about. Because it's problematic when somebody claims interdimensional. They don't understand dimensions because we exist on every dimension all at once.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This becomes a bit of an issue when we're talking. We're basically talking about alternate universe. Oh, beings from a different universe, beings from a different type of reality.

Cristina: So now something from the fifth dimension that we're having a glimpse of.

Jack: Well, it wouldn't work that way because they would also exist in the third dimension.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there's this shadow person. There's a specific type of shadow person that is called the hats man. He wears a top hat and a suit, and he's seen as being demonic or evil. I'm not sure. What's the difference between demonic or evil? They're the same, right?

Jack: No. You could be a demon. That's not evil.

Cristina: You're demonic, though.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Demonic means being demon.

Jack: Yeah, Demonic is the act of being a demon.

Cristina: Okay. So he's either. He's one or the other, I guess.

Jack: The state of being a demon.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this author who investigates all these things, these shadow people. Her name is Heidi Hollis, and she says these beings and others like it are trying to build an army for the dark side.

Jack: What the f*** does that mean for h***?

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: For aliens.

Cristina: Aliens. We get to aliens. So some people claim that the shadow people might be aliens that abducted people. Some people say that they're the victims of the great aliens. And then that these aliens can pass through walls and close windows and have advanced technology to make them appear and disappear. And it sounds a lot like shadow people, I guess. Yeah. So there's a paranormal expert named Rosemary Ellen Gully who says she discovered that many people who have shadow people experience also had ET Experiences as adductees. So aliens and shadow people might be connected somehow.

Jack: That's fascinating. Aliens and shadow. So the possibility that shadow people are just a product of not really being shadow people, but aliens using advanced technology that thus makes them appear as shadow people because they're, like, phasing out of existence or not really, but they would appear as such stealth technology and whatnot?

Cristina: Yes. Is that amazing?

Jack: So that you're. You're having, quote, sleep paralysis, unquote. You're laying there, you see this shadow being, but that's you sort of kind of seeing a phased alien.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're just studying you. Maybe that's why you're experiencing paralysis in the first place or something.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe the gray being is being seen as a black shadow. Yeah. So this other lady that I mentioned before, Hade Hollis, she published the book called the Secret War, where she goes into the information she's collected about shadow people, and she says the shadow people are related to grays and reptilian people.

Jack: Grays and reptilian people?

Cristina: Yes. Yes. The shadow people are. Those are related somehow to them. And she says that the shadow people don't want to be spotted. Of course. And in her book, she provides a bunch of ways to decrease the encounters if you don't want to be attacked.

Jack: By these beings, don't Be a young child.

Cristina: Don't be. No one of them is. Master your fear and don't let it control you.

Jack: Right, monk? S***.

Cristina: Yes. Focus on positive thoughts.

Jack: So meditate.

Cristina: Hold your ground.

Jack: What the f***?

Cristina: Hold your ground. I don't know. You're being pushed down anyways, so I don't. Hold your ground, though. Use the name of Jesus to repel them. That always works.

Jack: And we've made that journey. We've made the circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The possibility that there is no such thing as shadow people is presented the possibility that some a****** inside of a church was sitting around and he's like, what other weird s*** can I tell people about so that they come to church?

Cristina: Shadow people.

Jack: Shadow people.

Cristina: Just like vampires.

Jack: Just like were witches, witches, F****** everything.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Wet, wet, chud, chudge, f****** demons. Demons, everything, all of it. Church made it all up.

Cristina: You think they made up aliens, man?

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I mean, these are just gonna find out that we gotta rep. Yes.

Jack: Come on. Yeah, come on. There's no longer aliens. I don't believe in aliens anymore. I don't believe in aliens anymore. Now. Now the church made them up.

Cristina: The church made aliens?

Jack: The church made everything up?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing but us on this world. The Earth is probably flat. They said aliens. The Earth is flat. I don't care. Now I'm a flat earther.

Cristina: Because they're the ones that say earth is flat.

Jack: No, because they said aliens. They said you can fight them off by saying Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So.

Cristina: No, but they also think the Earth is flat and the Reptilians live in the center of it. So.

Jack: No, they can't live at the center of something flat.

Cristina: They do. They.

Jack: That's not the Christians.

Cristina: That's not the. They're. They're Christian.

Jack: No, the flat Earthers aren't Christian.

Cristina: Some of them are.

Jack: I mean, there's some cross pollination here and there, but like.

Cristina: Yes, but they have more religious beliefs of like. Like God wants us to know. They don't want us to know about flat earth because Satan.

Jack: Oh, you're right. And because paradise is over the ice wall or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Yes. And the Reptilians, I guess, live there and not the center, Right?

Jack: Yeah, not the center, actually.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Allegedly we, man. Because even in this weird version of where there's more out there, we're the center of it for whatever reason. Like we can't just be in the second ring and there's something in the middle that you can't access. No, no, no. We're still super special.

Cristina: Always in the center.

Jack: Yeah, we're super special always.

Cristina: Yes. So there you go. Feels good.

Jack: It always comes back to religion. The church is just a bunch of liars trying to scare people to go to church.

Cristina: That's all it is. That's.

Jack: That's all it is. Because they get money. They get money from you being there. You give them money directly and they get tax cuts and, and donations. Giant, huge donations. But because you get. No, you don't get to have to pay tax. You get to keep every penny from the donation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the most profitable business in all of existence.

Cristina: It is. Well, if the shadow people do exist, they thrive on the fear of the.

Jack: Unknown, which is the whole adrenochrome problem.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: So look, in reality it's really coming down to the fact that they're probably dead elites.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or not dead, but transcended elites to this different state. Evolved elites.

Cristina: Yeah. They show up, they hang around feeding off the fear and dread that they cause by their appearance. Yes. Like it's already scary.

Jack: They can also maybe take different shapes. Maybe the medium is right. In which they are very self aware. They're like intelligent beings and they can take many shapes, but they're being from a different dimension. Maybe what she means is they're in a different state.

Cristina: And they're the ancient Europeans that thought that they drink blood. This sounds a lot like vampires. And that vampires may not have a true shape and no blood drinker might have a true shape. And these beings don't have a true shape. They can turn into beings.

Jack: We don't see humans doing this. We see shapeshifters look like humans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And do this. So it's possible that these shadow people, let's just call them gyms from this point forward. That these jinns can manifest in a fully human looking form with flesh and everything at will.

Cristina: Yes, that's just there.

Jack: That's a vampire.

Cristina: Yes. And we call them a vampire. But it's the same thing as the werewolf. As the.

Jack: Interesting enough. There's this scenario. One of the many stories of vampires which I think we discussed on one of the episodes about vampires was that they can become sort of a cloud.

Cristina: Yeah, that's one of the stories.

Jack: And what is closer to a cloud than an anomalous shadow? What is black smoke?

Cristina: Its truest form is the cloud.

Jack: Yes, it's black smoke of some sort. It's shapeless.

Cristina: It's shapeless. What? Wow.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Connecting those dots.

Cristina: So that's.

Jack: Yeah. It's possible that elites Take it. And that doesn't make them a vampire. Not yet. Unless there's two different kinds of vampires. Because we also know that vampires and zombies are very similar. They. You need to have blood running through your veins as a vampire. So maybe we're thinking about two different things now. We've got into a weird different scenario where there is a different kind of. Where there's a shape shifter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And one of the things a shapeshifter can pretend to be is a vampire.

Cristina: And these shapeshifters though, are dead people. Dead elites. What if there are some dead elites that can't leave their body and they become a vampire? Zombies.

Jack: Zombies.

Cristina: They can't do anything. They're just.

Jack: Because they'd be.

Cristina: And they can't drink blood or they're not.

Jack: They can't control the body.

Cristina: They can't control the body. So they become feral and they. That's what we think of as the zombies.

Jack: So. Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Because they can become feral in their ghost like form. So they could become feral in their zombie form. Not being able to trick us into drinking. Letting them drink our blood. There's no other way.

Jack: Holy crap. You know what I just realized? Holy s***. One, all of it has to do with adrenochrome. Step number one.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: Step number two, There are different states. And I can prove it using past information that we didn't f****** consider for whatever reason.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay. A wet judge. A Wendigo demon like creatures. Spirit like creatures that look like. What? Like wolves. What do people use to communicate with shadow people? Or what do people use to tell the weather animals?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What happens when you drink adrenochrome? You become this immortal being. Eventually you die, but you stay alive. Your body, physical form dies and you become this sort of phantasm, this sort of ghost like thing. Some people use bears, some people use badgers. Some people use groundhogs. What stops some people from using a wolf? And the wolf gets the intellect of a person. It gets immortality. At least in conscious form.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then when its physical body dies, it could be a werewolf.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: Or it could be a wetchat.

Cristina: The same rules leading to different creatures dying too.

Jack: Eventually. Eventually their physical form goes, but they don't die. They move to the next thing, which.

Cristina: Is whatever the people are. They pretty much become the same thing as the elites that are dying.

Jack: Yes. This a whole thing of jinns, a ton of different djins. The Wetcha is just a djinn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the Wendingo is just a djinn.

Cristina: Okay, so it's not just one thing that's becoming all these different things? In a way, yes. Because they're in the same realm.

Jack: Yes. The same reason is leading to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: It's adrenochrome. Yeah.

Jack: So there's an entire world of shadow beings that we have no access to unless they choose to interact with us.

Cristina: So you think aliens have anything to do with this?

Jack: If aliens are going through the same processes, there would be aliens that are the same, because we assume aliens came naturally as a response of the world. They might look completely different or whatever, but there should be. I mean, I guess you'd have to be biological in the first place in order to consume adrenochrome in the first place and then in your next state, use fear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But assuming biological aliens evolved throughout the world, in that case, they can use adrenochrome and when they die, they do become shadow people, thus being these types of shadow people. And assuming they're advanced enough to have advanced technologies to be able to change their physical frequencies, maybe they can literally communicate with one of themselves who's transcended the physical form because of technology. Adrenochrome. Oh, you can use technology to communicate somebody who's transcended due to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they. It's no different. It's just you're going to the next phase, but they can still communicate with you actively without the use of adrenochrome, because technology, man.

Cristina: So we've connected everything.

Jack: Yes, everything is connected. Not only that, but the shape shifting nature of it. Resolution means we managed to say shape shifters are all these things. And yes, they are one species of thing, but they're also many different things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The same way we were saying that these shapeshifters might be like the difference between a big dog and a small dog. The shadow people, the djinns, are the same. They were still biological creatures, but it's a difference between a human and a dog. You've traced them back far enough. They came from the same thing. And that's what's happening with shape shifters. Shapeshifters are just shadow people. Shadow people are just gins.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they are all a result of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Being taken when they were alive to retain immortality and to transcend without losing consciousness. It's preserving consciousness. That's the ultimate goal.

Cristina: And some of them just can't. They fail. Become violent.

Jack: Yes, they become violent. Feral.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: The feral version.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: How f****** interesting.

Cristina: We got it. And So I thought shadow people is interesting enough, but what about our shadows?

Jack: What about our shadows?

Cristina: What are they?

Jack: A lack of photons.

Cristina: A lack of photons?

Jack: Yes. Let's say light hits you from one direction. Thus photons generated land on the surfaces that you're not blocking. They reflect back and you see them brighter. And the spots where the photons aren't landing remain dark.

Cristina: Well, there's many, many superstitions and beliefs about shadows before, I guess we knew before the science explanation of shadows. And one of them was that the shadow was the soul.

Jack: So you're always stepping on your soul.

Cristina: Well, you're connected to your soul, you're not stepping on it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It changes throughout the day because it's like your soul, it's not perfect, your soul's not perfect, your shadow is not perfect.

Jack: That's a cool a** belief to assume that your shadow is your soul and you can just look at it.

Cristina: Mm. And then another one is that the shadow is a double, which is pretty much just a copy of you, which makes sense. It is a copy of you, but it's not a perfect copy of you. It's just a. It's just a copy of yourself.

Jack: The two dimensional cut of yourself. That's what it is. It's a two dimensional slit of you there. It has no third dimension.

Cristina: Yeah. So it is you. It's just a different dimensional of you.

Jack: 100%. That's exactly what it is. It has height and width, but no depth. You have depth. Your next version has all of time included. We can just see the dimensions below us, but we can't see the ones above us. Yeah, but from a fourth dimension, it could see height, width and depth.

Cristina: So the shadow could be. Yeah, and then there's a lot of superstitions that involve death. Like if you inflict harm on a person's shadow, then the person's gonna suffer the effects. I don't know how you harm a shadow, but I guess if you stab. If I stabbed your shadow, you're gonna feel that later.

Jack: That's f****** weird.

Cristina: That's weird. Yeah. And people would try to cast their shadow on a wall on Christmas Eve or New Year's. And whoever had a headless shadow, it would mean that they're gonna die next year or within a year they're gonna die. Stepping on your own shadow was an omen of death, which is weird because you can't mount.

Jack: Step on your shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. So you're gonna die. It's predicting it.

Jack: I guess the only way to not step on Your shadow is to always float.

Cristina: Then you can live forever. That's the key of living forever.

Jack: Learn to fly. And even when you sleep, remain flying.

Cristina: Yes. And then there's St. Peter, who they believed his shadow could cure the sick. So people would try to lay their sick on the street, hoping that his shadow would fall on them.

Jack: Okay, back to that church s***.

Cristina: Yes. Shadows as a protector. The shadow is like a guardian angel of the soul instead of the soul itself. When death comes to get you, it has to ask your shadows permission. It also protects you from demons and vampires.

Jack: So if you're someone without a shadow, like the dark, they can access you.

Cristina: And vampires don't cast the shadow because they don't have a soul.

Jack: I've actually heard about that. Vampires don't cast a shadow or have a reflection.

Cristina: That's interesting stuff about shadows is that sounds a lot similar to shadow people of the Guardian Angel. And if it was a protector, if the shadow people are protectors, they sound a lot like our own shadow.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Theories people have figured out or came up with for shadows themselves. So interesting. Yeah. Anyway, if you want to hear other episodes like this, which I would. Let's see, what would I suggest? I would suggest the weather folklore, if you like, that weird groundhog stuff and other wintery stuff.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The sleep paralysis episode. I don't know what that one was called.

Jack: There was a whole episode about sleep paralysis.

Cristina: Yeah. It was the first Halloween episode, I think. So. Check out that first Halloween episode.

Jack: Interesting. Yes. So, yeah, Actually, fair enough. A lot of the stuff is because, look, we have episodes on vampires.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: We also have on shape shifters.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We have episodes on werewolves, ghosts, all these. A lot of these topics have been discussed before in different ways, and we kind of all led to this episode putting them together. So if you want to see all the pieces that led here.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Go through our catalog.

Cristina: Brought it all together.

Jack: Yes. That's actually really weird and interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That the groundhog is how we discovered that. That vampires, werewolves, witch huds, Wendigo's shapeshifters are all different but the same.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They are the creatures, the biological creatures of this plane of existence in the next state of existence that is entirely allowed to exist because of adrenochrome, which is also a consistent topic. And there are many episodes.

Cristina: Don't forget that episode about the gods of adrenochrome.

Jack: Yes. Yes. Which is very important. Which is. Also connects to all of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Man, this is starting to paint a pretty severe picture that's working out together in Tandem.

Cristina: It's scary.

Jack: It's weird how much of this fits together. Anyways, if you guys want to find all those episodes, you can definitely find all of that in our catalog, and that exists on the official website, greatthoughts.info or you can get it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is overpowered. And if you know about any of these creatures, if you didn't know that groundhogs are immortal beings with the intellect of it. Well, specifically this one, maybe there's many different groundhogs. There's one that we do it to, but I'm assuming that there's one bear that fits the same suit and it's just one bear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And, like, when that bear dies, it gets replaced by another bear who's just the one again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it goes as long as it can. Maybe it lives thousands of years before it's replaced. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we were, you know, tell people if you like these things, talk about.

Cristina: It, bring people in, tell us about it if you know more info about this stuff. Like, we're just coming up with it. Yeah, we're just finding this now.

Jack: Come tell us what you know. And maybe you have pieces we don't have to this puzzle. We're building a giant puzzle using all the human knowledge we've ever acquired, all the information that people believe to be true. We're grabbing humanity's most. What is it? What's a funny. Yeah, humanity. We're grabbing humanity's most absurd ideas and we're grounding them. We're bringing them into reality. We're finding out what the truth behind all of humanity's most absurdities are and turning it into the reality that they really are and finding out how they work together. Because nothing works on its own. Everything is part of a bigger system, and we're building that system. So if you have any piece that.

Cristina: Belongs here, give it to us.

Jack: Give it to us. Feel free to let us know.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: That is such a weird scene.

Jack: It was. I remember seeing it, but it was all by accident, wasn't it? It was just knocking them out scared.

Cristina: I've only seen the remix.

Jack: It wasn't like legit fear.

Cristina: No. He really got serious.

Jack: Like he beat them up wanting to beat them up.

Cristina: Yeah, but I don't know if in the movie how it was.

Jack: Spoiler. Shaggy kills everyone in Infinity War single handedly. Point being, Shaggy is crazy.

Cristina: What if Shaggy uses 100%? You can't do that. It's impossible.

Jack: Yeah, the universe can't contain it. The universe cannot contain Shaggy at his ultimate power.

Cristina: Can Shaggy be Thanos? Kind of crazy.

Jack: What is Shaggy's power level in his base form?

Cristina: Shockingly weak. He would have to go 45%, 75% to the Thanos. So he would have to be 75% to be Thanos. That's.

Jack: That's problematic considering his power cannot be capped. So what would. So what would 75% look like to.

Cristina: An infinite amount of power?

Jack: He gains 1% of his max power.

Cristina: Every time someone follows his religion.

Jack: So. Oh yeah, I don't know if there's a church of Shaggy actually you can follow right there. The subreddit Church of Shaggy.

January 16, 2021

Rambling 116: Bloodsuckers

January 16, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just Conversation, BLood Sucker, Horror, Vampire, Chupacabra, Alien, Ghost, Demon, Witch, Catholic

Are all blood sucking creatures shapeshifters or is there a more sinister hidden agenda by a large global organization at play? Unpacking Bloodsuckers and their possible origins.

Continuing their investigations into shapeshifters, Cristina befriends and bribes one of them by offering the lives of several Sub-Humans in exchange for information on others of its kind. Once the beans get spilled, the secrets revealed become greater than either of our two heroes could have ever anticipated. Find out what secrets were revealed and who is behind the creation of all these creature on this episode of Just Conversation.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

The Catholic Church
Bloodsuckers
Shapeshifters
The Boogeyman
El Cuco
Monster Creation
Witches

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to. To get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to grab somebody and force them to listen to the show with you. There is no options in their lives.

Cristina: I thought that was the last year's thing. I thought we were doing a new thing this year.

Jack: Changed my mind.

Cristina: What, so you're gonna force people to listen to our show again?

Jack: Yes. They only have to do it once.

Cristina: Every time?

Jack: No, Just once.

Cristina: Once?

Jack: Yeah. This is mainly for new listeners.

Cristina: But how? Wait, so the new listener is gonna get a friend?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That will also be a new listener?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How would the new listener know they have to pause the show? Like, I thought it was something that they already knew to do because they were already listening?

Jack: I don't know. No, they just. Look, they're listening to the show, then they go make somebody listen.

Cristina: But then they're not a new listener.

Jack: They were when they heard this.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then that's it. And then the next time they hear you say it, to do that, they don't do it because they already. Then they're not a new listener. Once they've accomplished it. Once.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Once it's done. Once you're good.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. But for the whole memory thing, that's.

Jack: Every episode, or is that once that happens every episode? I guess.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay, just checking. I've been busy doing some Illuminati stuff, man.

Jack: You've been busy doing some Illuminati stuff?

Cristina: I've been investigating bloodsuckers. Like, we were talking about vampires and werewolves. I had to go look for more that must be in this family of transforming creatures that don't really have a shape, but they, you know, like, they transform and they drink blood. That's the two things. Mainly, that relates where I'm hoping that relates to all these creatures together. So I was stalking them, which stalking is more like I became friends with them and sacrificed some of our employees to get to know these guys. And I want to talk about them. The first friend I made, his name, I'm going to call him Leap upon, because his name is in German, and I don't know how to say it, it's like off hocker. But we'll call him Leap upon because that's what it means. And they call him that because he leaps upon people like on their back and they rips their throat out.

Jack: This is a bloodsucker?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Well, he bites into their throat to drink their blood. So yeah, alright, so my friend Leapy doesn't have an actual form, or at least he doesn't let us see it. All we know is that he can shapeshift into animals and humans. He likes to tear the throats out of people. He likes beating into people's necks. That's his favorite spot.

Jack: For what?

Cristina: For blood, for power. I don't.

Jack: So he's not eating the neck, he's drinking the neck. Drinking the neck.

Cristina: That's what I'm assuming. They compare him to a vampire. So I assume that he's drinking blood from the vamp. From the person.

Jack: Yeah. But he doesn't identify as a vampire.

Cristina: No, no he doesn't. He can't be killed. And sunlight and church bells scare him like they do vampires. I don't know what, why they have that in common, but they do.

Jack: Spells scare vampires?

Cristina: Yes. In some stories.

Jack: I am unfamiliar with this.

Cristina: Yes. And the sunlight. You know about the sunlight? Yes, yes. Well, the. The leaper, Leapy is also afraid of sunlight. He likes to walk around abandoned roads in the dark of night, of course. And he likes to transform into dogs or saddle. Ladies. I wonder if he looks like a werewolf too. Like is that dog abnormally big?

Jack: The dog he turns into?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the dog humanoid? Should be the question.

Cristina: Humanoid? Is that like the werewolf?

Jack: Yeah, like a big two legged hand having human eyes. Human eyes? Wolf cross looking thing with one leg.

Cristina: Missing because it's pretending to be a tail.

Jack: Not while standing upright. That's when it's running?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: When it's just standing upright, it's revealed itself.

Cristina: Yeah. It's crazy because whoever it's attacking on this lonely road can't see it. So how do they know? I mean, I guess some people have gotten away from it. As long as you run to a church, you'll be safe, I think.

Jack: As long as you run to a church?

Cristina: Yeah. Like you cross the line of whatever is the holy church place and the abandoned road or whatever you're traveling on. If it's chasing you down, I think it jumps on your back and it pulls you down, like gets heavier and heavier on your back. And if you make it though, it can't cross so you live.

Jack: Do you have to Be running from it or can you. Like, if you're in a car, is it going to break into the car?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Like, what. What extent are we looking at here?

Cristina: Yeah, I think you. You have to be walking. Think he just got to be walking this road alone.

Jack: So he's not like unbelievably fast where he could catch you in a car.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if there's some motorcycle accidents because he jumped on. He tried to jump on their back or whatever during that. That'd be crazy.

Jack: Like he'd need some accuracy for that.

Cristina: Maybe he has the speed of a dog. How fast is that?

Jack: Not faster than a bike.

Cristina: Not faster than a bike. Oh, how about a regular bike?

Jack: Like a bicycle? Yeah, I think, I think a bicycle could outrun a dog.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Then you're safe. Unless you're.

Jack: You gotta be like really going in though, on the bicycle.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: We're talking like fast, fast, like speed bike type s***.

Cristina: Yeah. But you won't know that it's chasing you until it's on your back. So.

Jack: Yeah, you wouldn't be driving like exuberantly quick.

Cristina: Yeah. So it'll get you. And then you're just gonna have this painful thing trying to suck the blood out of your neck until you cross to the church.

Jack: Seems s*****.

Cristina: Yeah. In Belgium, there's a hellhound that also does kind of the same thing. So it could be a different form of this creature, but they give it a different name because it's in a different place. So it could still be leapy hanging out over there, but they call him something else.

Jack: So you're telling me he himself is going to these places?

Cristina: Yeah. And he turns into a hellhound who stalks the roads and does the same thing over there that he does in Germany, which is ripping out people's necks. That's his favorite thing.

Jack: Like, what are the origins of this thing?

Cristina: I think vampires.

Jack: You think it's just a vampire origin. So he's basically like a legit shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yeah. Or like, I guess it's more to do with dead people than anything of what is happening with dead people. Are they really dead?

Jack: Are dead people really dead?

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's the fear of just, what if the dead person isn't really dead? And then all these stories come out of that.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting, yes.

Cristina: Other people describe it as a zombie or a type of vampire or werewolf. We already talked about vampire, but for the zombie werewolf thing, I guess for werewolf, because it could turn into the form of a werewolf, actually. So it does I don't know. I. Yes. But yeah, in Germany, it can also turn into a werewolf. In Germany, there's another being. I think it's the same creature, is a type of. This being. It's the name for. I think anyone. Dead people, ghosts, zombies, all those things. They're called Ones who Walks Again.

Jack: Ones who Walk Again, yes.

Cristina: That's how they refer to the zombies and the ghost stuff. And they usually come to. They believe the dead person returns to the world of the living, usually to cause problems and scare people and for revenge. A lot of it's revenge stuff.

Jack: So they're basically just like unfinished business type of ghosts.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. And they also might think that the. The. What is the Leaper dude is one of those things.

Jack: So now the question here is they think it's a human who died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then becomes a sort of an anomalous thing.

Cristina: Or this thing could take the form of that human who died.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Because it is a shapeshifter and they don't really know what it really looks like.

Jack: Fallout vibes for days.

Cristina: Fallout vibes, yeah.

Jack: Replacing people with synths that are identical.

Cristina: Yes. So it could be that. Who knows?

Jack: Interesting. So it replaces the person, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah. In parts of Germany, they also think that the dead people have telepathic powers. In the grave, they gnaw on their own clothing and that somehow drinks the lifeblood of people that they know somehow. So it's a kind of vampirey thing. But they're not really sucking blood or anything.

Jack: I don't get why they're biting the clothing.

Cristina: Their own clothing. I don't know. Because that's the only thing they could shoe on. So they shoe on their own clothes while maybe thinking about that person, and then that person starts dying.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how that happened, but yeah.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And they also think that these undead people can rise out of the grave and jump on the back of people like the. The Leaper dude.

Jack: What is up with the back jumping? There's not like other things. They got one trick, that's it. There's nothing else.

Cristina: Well, they got blue sucking too.

Jack: No, that does nothing. They just. When they attack people, they always hop on their back. That's it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The one move.

Cristina: Yeah. It's the most. Like, you never expect it unless you do, because you heard all these stories.

Jack: And then what you're facing it. Well, it's disarmed.

Cristina: But how are you gonna face it? They'll always find your back. You can't walk backwards. And then it will just pop up on your back.

Jack: You happen to turn around as it's about to leap, but it didn't yet. And then you see it there and it freezes and it's like, I've been caught.

Cristina: There's no way. How would you know? Unless it has, like, really loud footsteps, I guess.

Jack: No, you. By chance, you were walking away, and you're like, I forgot my keys, and you turn around to go back inside, and boom, it's right there.

Cristina: I think it could move quickly. I mean, it has werewolf. It could turn into a werewolf. It could run around you and then jump on your back.

Jack: If it's a werewolf, you're hearing it.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Maybe it's able to predict where your back is facing it.

Jack: So what you're telling me is this creature only exists behind us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so, like, if you were to turn around, it wouldn't be there because it's only existent behind you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where you're not facing is the only place it could be.

Cristina: Mm. Unless it's in the grave that you're looking.

Jack: You can see it in the grave?

Cristina: Yeah. If it's a dead person.

Jack: No, it's just a dead person.

Cristina: Well, if you believe that dead person is also leaping out of its grave to attack people's back.

Jack: It's not, though.

Cristina: There's some dead people who do it, too.

Jack: Who. They leap out of their grave onto people's back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is this, like. Is there experiences about this?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know any. I don't know any. I do. I have found other experiences for other creatures, just not this one. Oh. I do know, though, that besides just carrying them to the churchyard to get rid of them off your back, you could also get rid of him, the leaper dude, by praying or by a spell. I don't know what spells or prayers gets him off your back, but the leaper kid get off your back by.

Jack: I'm sure if you go ask a priest, he'll know.

Cristina: He knows about spells.

Jack: He did. Look, Catholics made this, too. Anytime you insert religion into it and you could pray something away, Catholics made it up.

Cristina: I mean, it goes away once you get to the church, too, so.

Jack: Yeah. There's many incentives.

Cristina: Find out that the Church makes these creatures.

Jack: Yeah. There's probably a lab at the basement of the Vatican or some crap.

Cristina: Yes. Where they're keeping Jesus.

Jack: Yeah. And they're just making these creatures all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What, if anything, at some point we should go, like, free Jesus or something.

Cristina: I don't know. What? What are they protecting him with? Probably with these creatures that they're making.

Jack: Fair enough. But we have the technology.

Cristina: Our superhuman versus their superhuman. Yeah, but an interesting war. You can do it then. There's a creature called the Night Waster. It's a very strange creature. It's recognized by it holding out the thumb of one hand in the other and walking around like that, only with its left eye open.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a weirdo. I think it's also a dead person too. But you could recognize it by. Because he's holding his thumb and what is it? His left eye is open while he's holding his one thumb in the other hand. Or something like that. He has the ability to kill family members through magic. And while in his grave he's like the cloth thing. He's a person in the grave sucking his clothes. But this one, after it eats its own clothes, it starts feeding on its own flesh. Gross. Gross. But at least it will be easy to find the one that's this creature killing your family or a person killing your family. I'm not sure if it's a creature or a person that you know. Or both. I guess your dead relative became a creature.

Jack: None of it feels like they're creatures. They.

Cristina: They just feel like dead people just sound like zombies. Like zombies. Maybe they're all zombies. But they could transform.

Jack: So that doesn't sound like any of them have transformed in these examples.

Cristina: What? The leaper dude transforms into werewolves.

Jack: Fair enough. He transforms. This other guy is just a gu. He seems like a guy. He seems like he's just a guy.

Cristina: Actually this one is just a guy. I don't know how he got here, but he's just a guy. That I thought was interesting. Alright. I made a lot of friends with shape shifting bloodsuckers and he happened to not be one. But he does suck blood. Or I guess not really because he's sucking the soul out of his family members and eating himself and eating himself.

Jack: Good times.

Cristina: And it also feeds off the. Off the bodies of other corpses. Because that's cool, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he also mates with women who are dead from childbirth. I don't understand mating. Like he's having children with these dead women. I guess he sounds like a creature, doesn't he? Or he's still a zombie now.

Jack: I mean, as soon as he starts mating, that goes out the window. The fact that he could mate is way off. Yeah, like that doesn't make sense at all.

Cristina: Yeah. So while he's eating his own clothes and his Own flesh. His family members are becoming are dying off, getting. Losing their life. And it's getting stronger. And then he becomes a wing dingo. Was it the Win Dingle? One of them. Those creatures that were like, you need to be strong and then you become that thing.

Jack: You're telling me the goal of this creature is to make a family get an in. Home gym workout daily until he gets shredded. And once he's shredded, he can transcend into Windingo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think it was the West Shooge.

Cristina: The West Shoosh. Yeah, it's the West Shooch. It was the Westchooge. And it's possible to find this dude by the sound of sucking it makes. Because it has the thumb, I guess. Also. No, I guess that's sucking of its own clothes. Yeah. So if you hear sucking in the graveyard, it's probably the night wasps waster.

Jack: Or necrophilic b******.

Cristina: Or that. Oh, my gosh. It could be that with his dead wife.

Jack: Oh, it could just be some random straggler made it into the graveyard, dug up a recently dead body and blew him.

Cristina: Wow. And then that's how these stories were made.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I don't. You do not have to be bitten to become one of the night wasters. If a child was born with part of that sack thingy on his head, then you just have to feed him the sack thingy so he doesn't have to become the creature after he dies. I don't know what the sack is called. The water sack.

Jack: What?

Cristina: The thing that the baby's born with.

Jack: The placenta.

Cristina: Is it the placenta? Maybe there's a sack that's with the baby when it's growing. Okay. There's some. Some things you can do to get rid of the night waster, which is placing a chunk of earth under his chin.

Jack: Right. How would you get to him to do that?

Cristina: From hearing the sucking sound. You heard the sucking sound? You follow the sucking sound to the grave where the guy Follow the sucking.

Jack: Sound to the guy who's gonna try to kill you.

Cristina: He's dead. Or he's pretending to be asleep with his one eye open and his thumb in his hand or whatever. And you throw dirt in his. Under his chin. Or maybe you do this to every person that dies to avoid. To avoid the transformation. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That makes a lot more sense.

Cristina: Okay. Placing a coin or stone in their mouth also. So I guess that will stop them from chewing with a coin or stone in their mouth. Tying a handkerchief around their neck. We're placing nets and stockings inside the Grave nuts. Nuts.

Jack: Nets like tree nuts.

Cristina: Nets.

Jack: Nets. What?

Cristina: Nets like fishing nets.

Jack: Got you. And that just tangles him up and then he's screwed.

Cristina: I guess so. And the extreme ways to get rid of him is getting rid of his head, of course.

Jack: That sounds pretty familiar. That's all. The bloodsuckers have that problem going on.

Cristina: Yes. Even though he's not really a bloodsucker, but you know, whatever, he's drinking life. So I guess he counts. He's sucking on something and that's the important part. Right.

Jack: Is he a shapeshifter?

Cristina: No, he's just a dead dude. He's a zombie. You could also drive a steak in its mouth and you could fix the tongue so it won't move around. Okay, those are the extremes. But back to shape shifting creatures. There's a guy called the Chanchan. He's a sorcerer from Chile or Argentina. And he transforms into a bird. And the birds are called Shon. Shon. And he turns himself into a bird by using a magical cream on his throat that removes his head and then the head becomes the creature.

Jack: Amazing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I would like to know how he doesn't bleed out.

Cristina: The cream is magical.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: The magic of the cream is like, I guess, not letting his body bleed out.

Jack: Like with his head out, would we be able to see into his body?

Cristina: I imagine. No. I imagine the cream is just like covering that whole thing up. And you only see cream?

Jack: You only see cream?

Cristina: Yes. And this creature has the shape, of course, a human head with feathers and claws. Its ears become extremely large to be used as wings. Like a bird. Like a really strange, really horrifying bird.

Jack: Yes, it sounds pretty bad.

Cristina: It's a human head with feathers, claws and wings. Okay, but. Yes, but these are sorcerers. These are real people who are just deciding, I'm gonna become this thing. They do it for evil because these are evil sorcerers. Of course. It gives them the ability to drink blood from the ill and sleeping people. And I think that gives them more power. They do that for more power.

Jack: Interesting that. Only from people who are sleeping or dead. Ill. Ill people who are ill or sleeping. Fair. Yeah, that's interesting. Very vampiric, very Dracula esque. Sneak into your bed while you're knocked the f*** out, prey on you. You don't even know what happened until the morning when you just got two dots on you.

Cristina: Yeah. It's strange because it should be invisible. So I don't know how they know that it looks like a bird, but I'm guessing they found dead versions of It. And that's how they know, because it's invisible. And the only way you can tell that it's near is because it makes a cry. Toot, toot, too. If you hear that, run. No, it makes a weird sound and it's supposed to predict death of a loved one. So maybe it's hunting someone near you and that's why you hear it and then you know, oh, no, I had to watch out for my ill or sleeping lover.

Jack: That's weird, because if you hear it, there's no way you know what it is because you've never seen it. So, no. That's what you're hearing?

Cristina: Yes. You know something bad's gonna happen. I guess you at least know that much.

Jack: Do you, though? Is it more like, what the f*** was that?

Cristina: Maybe. But there's people who have caught it. There's people who have caught it somehow.

Jack: So they got proof this thing exists?

Cristina: Yes, of course. Maybe. So in order to repel this thing, there are some things you can do, which is draw the Solomon seal on the ground, laying out a waistcoat in a specific manner and reciting certain phrases or hymns. Is that religious? This is like a religious ceremony you gotta do. And then it will be repelled by you. It will force the Shunshun to leave or to fall to the ground, where it could be destroyed. Which I guess is the goal. To destroy it. Right. Unless you just want to abandon it. If you just abandoned it, it will come for revenge, though. So I would say destroy it.

Jack: It'll hunt you down if you ignore it.

Cristina: Yes. Actually, if you kill it, its friends might hunt you down. So that's a toughie. If the headless body of the sorceress is found, turning it onto its stomach prevents the Shunshun to return to it. I don't know why, but, Yes, if you put the body. Yeah, if you. I wonder how the body's laying. Is it standing or sitting? But if you place it on its stomach, the head can't go back. I don't know why. I feel like it just needs to, like, fight the right spot. Like, unless you're covering the neck somehow by laying it on its stomach. I don't know. My imagination is not very well because I can't see what's stopping the bird from going back to the neck of a person whose stomach is on the ground.

Jack: The cream is in the way.

Cristina: The cream is in the way?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Of what?

Jack: The one that made his head come off.

Cristina: The cream is in the way. No. I don't understand.

Jack: No, Isn't the cream covering the whole thing?

Cristina: Yes, well, of the neck. That's all I know.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: The cream is in the way of the bird.

Jack: The bird is the head.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you're telling me the bird isn't covered in cream so I can look up and just see into the skull maybe?

Cristina: No, but I'm trying to imagine. Okay, The. The Be. The. The neck is still out while you're laying down, whether your stomach is.

Jack: But the cream is in the way.

Cristina: Do you understand? What are you talking about?

Jack: You said the cream blocks the whole area so that we can't see into the body from the top.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the same applies to the head, theoretically.

Cristina: So the cream is in the way. And that's why laying the body on its stomach stops the bird in any position.

Jack: That bird can't come back because the cream is in the way.

Cristina: Oh, in any position. Then what's the point? Okay, whatever.

Jack: To become a permanent bird.

Cristina: Nah. You could also yell at it, come back tomorrow for more for some salt. And then the next day he'll come to you in its human form to ask for salt. And then you'll know he's the bird.

Jack: He's not really a sorcerer at that point, is he? He's really like some kind of dude stuck in a pattern.

Cristina: It sounds like a vampire counting those rice.

Jack: No, it doesn't. It sounds like you staged some, like, setup and he, like, has to participate.

Cristina: Like the vampire counting. Like he has to participate in the counting of things, I guess. Well, one time there was a case where someone did. Ground one of the birds from using while he. He did the Solomon seal thing, that. That weird chant thing. And it caused the large bird to fall out of the sky. And they. They fed the bird to the dog. And then the belly of the dog grew into the shape of a face. And that's how they knew. And then later the local grave digger said some unknown people came to bury a headless body.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So it's out there. But I think I would just ask it to come back tomorrow for some salt.

Jack: And then put it in a cage.

Cristina: And then put it in a cage. Well, then his friends will come. I don't know.

Jack: Put them in a cage.

Cristina: Put them in a cage. Okay. That's huge.

Jack: Open a bird sorcerer zoo.

Cristina: Yes. See if I can learn some of their magic. Like, they have to have more magic, right?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Can't just be about drinking blood.

Jack: You keep promising to let them go if they teach you magic.

Cristina: Yes. Then there's Coco, who's a shapeshifter too. That's unknown, but like, whatever. The original form is unknown, but it could. There's so many stories of what it looks like. A dragon, werewolf, ghost with a skull like pumpkin head. A ghost monster. It's a ghost monster. That's what I think it is. Okay.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. The way they describe it is very. They compare it to the Boogeyman because they scare their children with the Coco. What a name, Coco. It doesn't sound very scary, but this Coco creature lives in many, many countries, Hispanic countries, in Spain, Portugal.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Is it Coco for a fact? It's not Cuco.

Cristina: Oh, Cuco. It could be Cuco. I don't know. It's spelled Coco, but I think it's said in. It could have had many different spellings. Oh, El Cuco? Is that what you're talking about?

Jack: El Cuco? Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Cuco.

Jack: Ok. As well as El Cucuy.

Cristina: El Cucuy. Yes. So you heard of this because it's the Spanish creature.

Jack: It's the literal Spanish translation of the boogeyman.

Cristina: The boogeyman. That's what I said. Okay, the boogeyman. Yes. But have you, like, when you heard about it, what did he sound like? How was he described to you?

Jack: He's basically Slenderman.

Cristina: Slenderman? Ooh.

Jack: Yeah. He's some sort of shadowy figure, a horror you could not describe. He is always in dark places. He shows up when you least suspect, usually when you're by yourself. Yeah, Basic boogeyman things. He'll s***** you up.

Cristina: Yeah. He likes to take the shapes of shadows, dark shadows. To kidnap children, specifically. Does he eat those children?

Jack: Basically hiding in the closet or under the bed?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, but. And yeah, the thing about this thing, I don't know if he sucks the blood out of the children, but he definitely eats those children. He kidnaps them and eats them. That's believable if they're bad. I think that's what the parents say. If you're. If you're bad, the cook Coco will get you. The Coco.

Jack: Yeah. The boogeyman's gonna get you.

Cristina: Yeah. The biggie, man. Yeah. So you have to be good and he won't get you. So he's a child eater and a kidnapper. It's said to be out on it. Hangs out on rooftops, looking out for misbehaving children. Like Santa Claus.

Jack: I feel like a lot of people work with Santa.

Cristina: Yeah. Sometimes. It's also described as a hairy monster that it's because it's in so many. It's weird that it's the same creature, but because it's in so many different countries, all Spanish countries, it maybe. It takes forms of different things in each country.

Jack: It is a shapeshifter, so it's regional, like that's expected.

Cristina: Yeah. One origin story of the cuco that I found, it might not be the real origin story. Like, there's probably no origin story for this guy. But one of them was that a man was sick with tuberculosis. He was looking for a cure, so he looked for a healer, and she told him the cure was drinking the blood of children and rubbing their fat on his chest. Then he started kidnapping kids and drinking their blood. So there you go. He is a blood drinker.

Jack: So if this story was real, he'd be the first person to test out adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: And it turned him into some sort of freak of nature.

Cristina: Yeah. He walks up and down streets with a black bag looking for children. And that's. That's all I know about him. You know more about him than I do, but I guess you only know one version of him because there's so many different versions of him. But he looks like Slenderman in yours.

Jack: All the versions are more or less the same thing. They're pretty closely related.

Cristina: But you don't know what he did with those children.

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Yeah, well, I'm saying he's a bloodsucker. Then there's the La Ga, who is a cousin to the French and Germanic werewolf. It's a shapeshifter from Trinidad. And Tro Bago Lagahoo. Laga who?

Jack: Interesting. And it looks like a wolf or some s***.

Cristina: No, I wish. I wish he did. But by day he's a normal man, but by night he is headless and he roams the night with a wooden coffin on its neck. And he also has chains around his neck which change sizes. And, like, one of his appendages is turned backwards, which is very. Werewolf. Maybe an arm or a leg is backward for some reason, I don't think, to hide a tail or anything. Maybe he's like a retarded werewolf.

Jack: This is actually really interesting. I've heard about something similar to that, and it's. You can actually. I think there was a movie with one of these in there.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I think it was the 13th ghost that. There was the Jackal. It was a ghost with, like, a coffin on its head, essentially. And it's all contorted. It's the one that walks all weird and s***.

Cristina: It Was probably based on this guy.

Jack: Could definitely be interesting.

Cristina: But he could also shape shift into various animals, including horses, pigs, and goats and centaurs Or a creature that's similar to a centaur.

Jack: So pretty much anything, it seems.

Cristina: Yeah. And he's a blood sucker, but he doesn't suck the blood out of humans, which I guess is a good thing because he is horrifying. Description of him is just. I wouldn't want to see that. I really wouldn't. But he likes cows and goats.

Jack: That's cool. He's the good guy.

Cristina: He's like the Chupacabra, more or less.

Jack: Yeah. The Chupacabra isn't out there eating people.

Cristina: Yeah. But if he's eating your farm animals, you might want to kill him.

Jack: Why don't you just raise a couple of farm animals for him?

Cristina: That's cool too.

Jack: Try to get him to out his people and create a community where they protect your farm and in return, you feed them. You feed them.

Cristina: That's awesome. Yes, let's do that. But if you do want to kill him, you can beat him with a stick that has been anointed with holy water and holy oil for nine days. To kill the creature, you have to beat him with a stick that's been in holy water for nine days. That's very church related, man.

Jack: They're all church. The Catholic church designs monsters.

Cristina: Yes. And while you're beating it, it changes into other creatures like a dog, a horse, cat, pig. It even changes into a thunderous waves of water and finally disappears into a black mist. And then you dead. Then it's dead. It's very interesting. Transformations. I feel like we heard a ghost story of. Was it transformations or it was just things crossing the road after the other and it was just different.

Jack: Yeah, it was a ghost story.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: It was like a guy crossed the road chased by a ghost or something. An old man? No, he was just a chicken or some s***, right?

Cristina: Yeah, chicken and a dog and a cat. I don't know. It was a child story. I don't know what was happening. But yes, this creature has that same type of thing going on.

Jack: But it was a Clinton road story, I believe. No, it was a different road.

Cristina: Different road. It was a different road. Yeah. Then there's this other thing. We'll call him one foot. Well, actually, his name, I guess if you translate it, is one foot in Spanish. Pata sola. Pata sola.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Well, that's a South American monster. She lives in the jungle. She appears to men in the middle of the wildness. And she lures them into the jungle to eat them. To reveal her true form. We know her true form at least. Like she looks like a woman but she's really a one legged creature with vampire like lust for human flesh and blood. And she attacks them and devours their flesh and sucks the blood out of her victims. Very vampire.

Jack: She's like a succubus.

Cristina: Yes, but she's.

Jack: Or a siren.

Cristina: A siren.

Jack: The mermaid.

Cristina: Oh, mermaid. But she's not in the water.

Jack: Yeah, it's an out of water mermaid.

Cristina: Yeah. Do they drink blood? Oh man.

Jack: Mermaids. Kind of. Yeah.

Cristina: Succubus. No, not succubus. What was the other one?

Jack: Sirens.

Cristina: Sirens.

Jack: Sirens, Succubus, Incubus and mermaids.

Cristina: All half of those things are ghosts.

Jack: Ghosts?

Cristina: Yeah. Incubus and succubus are ghost creatures.

Jack: Those aren't ghosts.

Cristina: They. I thought they were.

Jack: No, those are monsters.

Cristina: Those are monsters. I thought those were ghosts.

Jack: I thought they were monsters.

Cristina: Really? Because I. Well from ghost shows there have been men who've been haunted by succubus.

Jack: Was it the ghost adventure guys?

Cristina: No, no, it was just people telling their ghost stories of the haunted house that they lived in or whatever.

Jack: Oh my God.

Cristina: And the way that these creatures are described are like ghosts, but stronger I guess. Stronger?

Jack: No, best case scenario, it's a demon.

Cristina: Oh yeah, like a demon. But I guess in a way it looks like a ghost because it looks like nothing. Because you can't say you see a ghost.

Jack: No, these things are visible.

Cristina: These things are visible.

Jack: You, a succubus, an incubus. Mermaid and a siren are physical things you see.

Cristina: Okay. But they're not physically in your house. Like their physical bodies hiding in your house.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's how it goes. In fact. Specifically for the mermaid and the siren.

Cristina: Well yes, I know those two.

Jack: A group of people see them.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Those are more monster like.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: While the other two I thought were more ghost. Like which. Their bodies aren't really physical.

Jack: No, I think their body. Look it up. I think their bodies are physical. Now google succubus to confirm.

Cristina: On the opposite end it says succubus here too. Female counterpart succubus.

Jack: Okay, so it's a demon, it's a.

Cristina: Physical thing, but it's not. I mean like yes, but no, because like you wake up and then it's not there, you know?

Jack: Right. It goes like this. You're at a bar, you see really hot chick. The boys also see the really hot chick. You and the boys Are like, yo, I'm gonna go flirt with that girl. Get her a drink and everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you do. And you take her home and you do whatever. Except at some point you black out. You wake up, she's gone. Everybody saw her. She wasn't not there. She was physical and frightened.

Cristina: And for that guy that, that happened to, she wasn't there. She was there, but then she disappears. Like a ghost. He didn't pick her up anywhere. She was just living in his house.

Jack: He was probably dealing with some other s*** that wasn't an succubus.

Cristina: I don't know. I think they're more complicated.

Jack: It's a demon.

Cristina: Yeah. Demons could have ghostly bodies, can't they? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Like they don't physically or. They don't have to physically be in your house, do they? I don't know. Whatever. Yes. Okay, let's continue. That'll be for another episode, maybe. Who knows? Then there's the Striga, who is a vampire witch that sucks blood of infants at night while they're sleeping. And then they. They like to turn into insects to go in, to sneak into the house of the child. And to protect yourself from the shriga, you have to make a cross out of pig bone and place it at the entrance of a church on Easter Sunday so that the sugar cannot leave. But I guess you're somehow supposed to know that it's in there. What's it doing in the church? Hmm? Entrance in the church. I guess it lives in your church. Then they could be captured and killed like any other thing. But also to protect yourself from this creature, you could put a silver coin in the blood that it drank from and wrap it in clothing. And then that it protects you from the creature. Once you wrap it up, you could wear as jewelry to protect yourself from the creature.

Jack: That's a really cool way to make an amulet.

Cristina: Yes, from blood.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I wonder if the blood stays soaked on the coin or something. Like it's magical blood now.

Jack: I mean, you wrapped it.

Cristina: You wrapped it. Yeah. Yeah. So in the legends, only the witch could cure those. She drained their blood. And if she doesn't? Oh, the way she cures people that she's bitten is by spitting in their mouth. And if she doesn't do that, they'll just get sick and die. And these witches aren't born, but they become one. Because either she is childless or is made evil by envy. And a strong belief in God could make people immune to the witch. He could protect them.

Jack: Sounds Very. How do I put it? Consistent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, very consistent. You believe in God, you pray, you go to church. All these monsters will f*** off.

Cristina: Mm. There's something going on there.

Jack: Yeah, always. They're responsible for all the creatures. Or they got packs with all these creatures.

Cristina: They got packs. They're making these creatures.

Jack: Maybe they are the creatures.

Cristina: Maybe they are the creatures. Like the song. Those sorcerers that become birds. Maybe they're becoming all these other things. We don't know that. Then there's this bloodsuckerer in Mexico. It's like a vampire or a witch that lives with its human family. And they have to keep his secret because if it dies, someone else in the family, I think, turns into this vampire witch creature. They can change form by detaching their bodies from their legs, which they leave in the house. So strange. I think the transformation is of a goat. He needs to feed off of blood once a month or he'll die. And he wants to suck the blood of babies at night. Sucks the blood of babies.

Jack: That's actually the closest one to a vampire I've heard so far. Where not drinking blood will kill it.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, most of these creatures are female, and so I'll say she. She's born with the curse and can't avoid being this vampire creature because it's in the. I guess, the family line, which we were talking about. What if we went to a country and tried these things? What would we become? So what if we did have the blood of a werewolf and that's how we become a werewolf? We don't know that. Like, a bite helps speed up the process of becoming the thing we already had in us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Maybe it's just easier for these vampire creatures to do it. And the victims that were killed by these creatures have bruises on their upper body. And they hunt mostly in cold and rainy weather. I don't know why specific weather, but they got rules. Maybe they're like vampires. They sound. You said like vampires, so it makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, they might just be avoiding daylight.

Cristina: Yeah, because they hunt at night too. So night, cold, and rainy weather. They fly from village to village as a turkey.

Jack: Best transformation while the vampire is over here being douchey. I'm a bat, bro. Look how cool this m*********** is. Like, I'm a gorgeous turkey.

Cristina: That's not my only bright color. That's a pretty cool one. But there's even a cooler one. It can fly as a flying fireball. A fireball?

Jack: That's pretty hardcore. I would never use the turkey form.

Cristina: You Never use the turkey form.

Jack: I will be a fireball forever. Because everybody just thinks it's a shooting star or a meteor or some s***.

Cristina: But also it likes to be a donkey. So it could scout out the victims. I guess that's the best form it takes. The donkey. You don't want to be a donkey.

Jack: Just blend into plain sight.

Cristina: Yeah. That's very sneaky. But you could tell that the animal is this creature because it has a.

Jack: Glowing aura making everything we've just discussed useless.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A glowing turkey. That's some sort of monster.

Cristina: Yeah. And it smells like blood mad.

Jack: Impractical.

Cristina: Yes. Like, we talked also about that. Some. They're trying their best to take the shape of the forms. But some of them might not be as good as others.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So maybe these are like, they're almost there. Just a few more tries and they'll get it. They got it. They almost got it. Like, maybe being in the bloodline helps them get better at this thing of shape shifting or whatever is happening.

Jack: But it sounds like these creatures aren't even related to the other creatures we discussed. Like these seem like whole other things. Dead people and s*** like that. Like zombies. They don't even sound like. Some of these people aren't even like fast or anything. They're just like zombies.

Cristina: They're like zombies that. But they could transform. That's the important thing.

Jack: One of them couldn't.

Cristina: Except for one of them. Yeah. He snuck in.

Jack: Interesting. They could all transform. But can they all transform to anything? Or a lot of them bound to one form. Are these their famous forms?

Cristina: I think these are their famous forms. Like the cuckoo. The coco cuckoo. The cuckoo. He doesn't have any. Like, he has so many forms. One of them was a dragon. For some reason there was like he could do whatever. Except for. For some reason it's kind of wild. What he could become. Hairy monster.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty cool though. So they are just definitely shapeshifters at the end of the day.

Cristina: Yeah. And the first one we talked about. He turns into a werewolf. But he could also just turn into a lady. He could be sneaky if he wants to. He just feels like. I guess being a werewolf is just easier because you can run after the person.

Jack: Yeah. It must also be funner.

Cristina: Yeah, it could be funner too. Because you can't kill that creature. So that creature doesn't have a weakness to death. Like there's nothing. It's not like the vampire that you can kill it in certain ways. That one. You can't @ all. So it's just having fun?

Jack: Yeah, it's just doing whatever the h*** it wants.

Cristina: Yeah. My leaper buddy. Oh, my gosh. This is gonna be suspicious, but to enter the house, it must fly over the roof and take the shape of a cross.

Jack: To enter a house?

Cristina: Yep. To enter a house, it must fly.

Jack: Over the roof as a cross.

Cristina: Take the shape of a cross. Like, fly around in a cross, like, shape.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: Like, it's doing that. Weird, man.

Jack: At this point, like, a bunch of Catholics got together. Like, Catholics are monsters. They're literal monsters. And the symbols and crap that they teach and the prayers and s***, it's all just to benefit them.

Cristina: They're making these monsters. These monsters are the same.

Jack: They're making them. They are the monsters. They're the people who found Jesus and captured him, knowing that he has a direct link with God, crippled him so that he couldn't move, and slowly siphon his power to turn themselves into these monsters that then wreak havoc on the world.

Cristina: Yes. This is happening. What are we gonna do?

Jack: We gotta tell the QAnon guys.

Cristina: Oh, they love this. Oh, my gosh. This is. Man. If you can tell Alex Jones is about this, I know he'd love this.

Jack: Alex Jones. I love that man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's my everything.

Cristina: He's your everything. Okay. And then it sneaks into the house as a fly. And when it enters the room, the house, it becomes a mist to paralyze everyone. Sounds like a vampire does that, doesn't it? Or at least it has that ability of paralyzing people.

Jack: Turning into a gas. Yeah.

Cristina: On a gas. Okay.

Jack: Became a mist.

Cristina: A mist.

Jack: Yeah. That's very vampire.

Cristina: And then once inside, she turns back into a turkey and sucks the victim's blood.

Jack: How crazy of an experience is this? A weird cloud starts leaking, like it's gas. You think you're being gassed right now? You look at your door. Oh, my God. What's happening? Is there a fire outside?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Mist starts coming in and, like, filling up. And you're like, oh, my God, are we gonna burn death? And then the mist just starts to gather, doesn't spread out anymore. And then it starts to solidify, and boom, out comes a turkey. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yes. And then she goes to the baby and she has a needle like tongue. And the tongue starts just drinking the baby's blood. And you're watching this.

Jack: Yes. In shock.

Cristina: In shock. And you're like aliens.

Jack: Yeah. At that point.

Cristina: Okay, so there's some ways to protect yourself and your baby. From this creature. If you want, you could leave sharp objects under the crib like a knife, scissors, needles, pins. That seems really dangerous for the baby, too.

Jack: It's under the crib.

Cristina: It's under. Yeah, but what if the baby decides to get out of its crib and then starts playing with these things?

Jack: Maybe you've created a serial killer.

Cristina: Making a cross out of the safety pins on your garments will help. Putting a mirror, dirty shorts, or soiled diapers near the bed will help. Only onions and garlics can ward off attacks.

Jack: Very vampirey, Very vampiry. Also, you can, in theory, j*** in your underwear and then slap it on the crib, Be like, you're safe, baby.

Cristina: Yes. And you can wrap your baby in a tortilla and tuck them into blankets and clothing. Yep. Protect yourself with tortillas.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes. What tortilla?

Jack: Wow. So, like, turning your child into a taco is safe?

Cristina: Yes. Turning your child into. I feel like that would make it more craving. Like, he'll want the baby more.

Jack: It would make it more craving towards a human who wants tacos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not towards a bird who's usually inside the tacos.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's like, no, I understand the pain. I must free this baby.

Cristina: Let's free this baby. He's normally inside the taco. Oh, the turkey. Okay, so she has memories of what it's like to be a turkey being murdered.

Jack: No. She knows that this happens, and she sympathizes her people.

Cristina: Okay, so what's really killing these babies? There's been so many cases. There was, like, there was a doctor who went through these cases to find out what happened to these babies. There was, like, 40 babies dead, and the victims didn't lose any blood. But what killed them was no oxygen. Asphyxiation killed the babies. Yeah. Most of the babies probably died by accident. Probably, yeah, because the way they were laying on the baby might have killed the baby. And then, like, I guess after. What's it called? After heaters and stuff like that, Things to warm your home happened. These things stopped happening because it was mostly during winter time when it was super cold, and then you'd want to huddle with your baby, and then that would kill your baby. But once that kind of stuff was made, you could warm up your house. You don't have to be next to your baby or try to warm your baby with a bunch of blankets. And then the blankets kill the baby, and then no more babies dying.

Jack: Yeah. It seems like most creatures were created around the time that the catholic church could just say, Random s***. And people would eat it. And as well as when situations were so crappy that people didn't want to take blame for things that they were clearly doing or scared of. And us monsters.

Cristina: Yes. Also, people had to take it because they would kill them and say, you're a witch.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then burn you at the stakes.

Jack: Good old Catholic church ways.

Cristina: You had to take it. Yep. So I guess that's it for now. I hope you like these stories from my friend Leaper. Is that his name? Leapy. I think I named him Leapy, but I changed it to Leaper. So there you go.

Jack: And he told you about all these creatures. So he's basically a rat.

Cristina: Yes, because I fed him some of our employees.

Jack: Fair enough. Good trade off.

Cristina: Good trade off.

Jack: That's what the subhumans are here for.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: They are willing. They just stand by and they're like, yes, sir.

Cristina: Yeah. They didn't care. They were happy.

Jack: They'll never care. They're just here to please us.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Those overpowered hyper intelligence, super physically peaked monster retards.

Cristina: Yes, but they're beautiful.

Jack: Flawlessly beautiful. They're immaculate.

Cristina: It's ridiculous.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But they're brain dead.

Jack: Anyways, we are definitely out of time here, so we'll have to hear the rest of your friend's story some other time.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yes. But if you guys like conversations of this nature, if you like listening to us talk about creatures, there's many creature episodes. Go back and catch up on all the creature episodes. Creatures of all types, all shapes and sizes. All shape shifting sizes and types.

Cristina: And bloodlusting.

Jack: Yes. So you can totally find all that good stuff on the official website, greythoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

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Jack: Yes. The power of word of mouth is almighty. So if you tell somebody to kindly listen and tell them why, they'll be like, okay. And then the community grows.

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Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Chuck Norris could be Chucky if you wanted, though.

Jack: No. Yes, because Chuck Norris only really dwells in the realm of paradoxes.

Cristina: Yes, but that's why he wins.

Jack: He would have to paradoxically win. Yeah, that's not a real victory. That's a technicality.

Cristina: So I think that's fair.

Jack: Like in a fight, Shaggy would win. No, in a fair, non counterintuitive fight, he would win.

Cristina: Yes, I guess he would. But that doesn't make him God.

Jack: That does make him God.

Cristina: Really strong.

Jack: He could be God in a fist fight.

Cristina: He's just really strong at 1%.

Jack: What does more percent look like?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Google it. What are the powers of Shaggy? Let's break this down.

Cristina: I think he has powers.

Jack: Shaggy has powers. Shaggy definitely has powers.

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January 09, 2021

Rambling 115: 2020 Apocalypse Review pt 2

January 09, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just Conversation, Politics, Election Fraud, New Year, Celebbration, Coronavirus, Aliens

Finishing our review of the slowest apocalypse ever, 2020.

The duo wrap up their studies of the ancient times of 2020. The good, the bad and the ugly are all wrapped up with a neat bow. As they do so, they remember the days before aliens ruled the world and days before the Mars Space station was a casual hangout for teens. Often referred to as “the good old days.”

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody. And as always, you pick up the first sharp object by you, and you walk casually towards them. Make sure they see you and the sharp object. And the sharp object. And mumble something to yourself. It doesn't have to be coherent. It just has to under your breath. Make sure they hear you mumbling on your way over, but they can't tell what it is you're saying. Anything. Say the ABCs to yourself. It's fine. On your way over to them. And when you finally get to them, you say, us two, we're gonna f****** listen to the Just Conversation podcast. I promise you, they won't say no.

Cristina: Are they trying to threaten this person or no? Is it supposed to look like they're threatening them without actually threatening them?

Jack: They're alluding to danger, although they're never saying there's danger.

Cristina: Yes. That's very Dennis. Dennis. That's very Dennis.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, talking about getting all dark on people around you and death and whatnot. Today's episode we're following up on the 2020 recap we're doing. It's Been a Fun Year, the review from last year. So if you haven't heard the first part, be sure to do that. Go back, listen to the first five months of the year when s*** was serious and we just cross over to get f***** area.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where s***'s gonna get f*****. So we had just finished May in our recap, and that's when the shoe dropped hard. Following the death of George Floyd, a unarmed black man at the hands of a white police officer and four other, well, three other cops standing by doing nothing. This got recorded, and it was a very long video of a man begging for his life while slowly fading out of this plane of existence. And when we ended, we were at 6 million coronavirus cases.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So let's begin on June, June 2nd. Brooklyn PD. It's accused of corruption and abuse of power. Repeatedly. This time, they're caught on video after the protests broke out, after the country broke into protests, after Minneapolis had police try to solve their accusations of police brutality by using police brutality. This spread out to the rest of the country. And everywhere there were protests everywhere. Police also, police were trying to resort to the same measures. You're saying we here are also abusing our power. You're saying we're being brutal. Us, the cops, here to protect you. And as a result of trying to stop these false accusations caught on video, two police SUVs slammed into and drove through a crowd of protesters. Because this is America, and that's how you show them we're not brutal.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It's not all the police run them over. You run them over.

Jack: Additionally, around this time, where s***'s hitting the fan pretty hard and race wars are essentially breaking out, I remember seeing a video of a guy in a truck who, I guess he had like a Trump flag or something, and he like flipped off some protesters that they pulled out behind them. They drove next to truck, got in front of the truck, slowed down the truck, ripped the guy out of the truck. I think he actually hit somebody with the truck. And then they got to the truck, they pulled the guy out of the truck, and they were on a bridge. They threw that guy off the bridge because that's where we are. I remember showing you that specifically the guy get pulled out of the truck and flung off a bridge. And then somehow he survived, which is way worse than had he died.

Cristina: But he. He hit someone before that too.

Jack: Yes, with the truck.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: He hit somebody with a truck. He already had like Maga flax on flags on his truck. And they just freaked out. A bunch of black people pulled him out, threw him over the bridge.

Cristina: And he lived.

Jack: And he lived. Which is way worse had he died. Great. Fantastic. End of the story. No, he fell off that bridge intervent. So that sucks. So, yeah, this is just day two. June 5th. The Buffalo riot police quit. Buffalo, New York riot police quit in protest of these. In protest of their abuse of power and in defense of some other cops. So your solution to being told you abuse your power is to quit. Which in reality, when that was being debated and discussed, the fact of it was investigations were being opened everywhere to.

Cristina: See that police are really abusing their power.

Jack: Any place that had a lot of accusations because now the country is calling for it. Look into all your cops. So they weren't idiots. They were like, not. We're out.

Cristina: Yeah, it's more about I. I got to do some things I forgot. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: They were just definitely like, I think my mom's calling. Yeah, she needs me right now. I can't be at work for a couple of months.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh no. The Covid's real now, guys. It hasn't been real until this very moment. But I gotta stay home now, you know, Safety of my family and all. June 6, this is where that other shoe dropping finally hits the ground. It's only been fought, it's been mid air Suspense. This entire time we've been watching it incrementally because the global protests erupt.

Cristina: Now the world, the world, the world is protesting. It leaked brutality.

Jack: Yeah, it leaked out of the country.

Cristina: Yeah, that was pretty amazing.

Jack: It's. It's on some whole other s***. It left the United States and hit everywhere else.

Cristina: Because it's happening everywhere else as well. This problem, this police brutality thing. It's not just the cops here.

Jack: And as this is happening in the rest of the world, the US is leading the movement. So we're always. It began so Minneapolis had the first death, then they had the first protest. Then the protests spread everywhere else. When Minneapolis evolved into rioting against the police, into a mini war, then the rest of the country, the protest spread to the rest of the world. And now all the other places that police tried to solve with more brutality on top of the accusations, now those places are starting to have an uprising against the cops. This is where things got weird for a couple of weeks. It got really complicated in June, but it began in June 6th when this s*** really started happening where the entire country not just protest, but riots. And not just riots, but good guys on both sides, or both good guys on the good side, and two different factions of bad guys, all in some sort of guerrilla warfare happening in major cities all over the country. We got people in New York City, both good police officers and protesters uniting entirely, uniting against corrupt departments supporting abusive behavior. So they're coming together, they're standing. This is a great line that's being drawn right now because we get videos of police officers taking knees with protesters walking hand in hand, marching down the streets. And we have other videos of police officers plowing through people, shooting them, tear gassing them, pulling out lethal weaponry on people, assaulting people who aren't even part of the protests. Like the kids who were just driving out of college. So crazy there's a war happening and you got to pick a side. But s*** kept getting crazy. And this is where we have the curfews getting established throughout the United States. Not even related to the COVID because businesses were closing. But you weren't obligated to stay at home. That was an advisory. Now being outside is illegal.

Cristina: That has to do with the protest.

Jack: That was with the protest. People were being. It was that crazy. In major cities, people were being sent home at a certain time about 8pm and you had to do it.

Cristina: You have to go home to stop you from protesting.

Jack: Stop the protesters and stop the rioting and stop the looting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And stop the dangerous behavior between the cops and the protesters. It got really crazy. And arrests at random and attacks on peaceful protesters. And by riot police. This is done by riot police throughout that whole time. So they just got more vicious after the curfews were put. Basically. Martial law was established in June.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that the same month where we were getting weird videos about what police were doing? Like some of them were dressing up and pretending to be protesters. Some of them were putting. What are those? Bricks. Bricks everywhere.

Jack: Yes, all of that. They were stacking bricks together. They were breaking windows while dressed like protesters and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All that is the same. Because now they're trying to do their own more. Hey man, you're getting negative attention on us. And this should not you we're gonna get negative attention on. And TIFA was just the racist cops. Just the racist cops trying to frame the protesters and have a reason to be violent against them. But that didn't last long because June 7, footage of off duty officers out of uniform looting and torching properties surface. And that's where we get to see these videos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And see that when you pull their mask off, it turns out that guy's a f****** officer.

Cristina: Like the ending of Scooby Doo.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You take off the mask. Like what?

Jack: And who found out it was the f****** meddling kids.

Cristina: It was the meddling kids. Whoa.

Jack: Towards the end of June 7, we started getting the videos of police arresting police. I saw some really weird s*** that day. Particularly the cops that broke into a store fully in uniform to beat the crap out of protesters. To then have other cops enter behind them, draw their guns on the original cops to walk in, tell them to put the gun. Because they were about. The cops who went in first were just gonna shoot unarmed people. That was their goal. Then the second wave of cops walked into the store as well. And their. Nope, put your s*** down. And they started arresting each other.

Cristina: That was f****** complicated. Yeah.

Jack: Cops arresting cops. It got really weird. We had cops talking bad about cops. Cops out high ranking cops discharging people. There was a white cop snapping out some innocent protester who had no weapons. Being common everything. And his senior came up and Told him, you're f******. Get the f*** out of here. And that's caught on video. Just this lady walks up. His senior was a woman who just walked up and is like, get out. You're off of it.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: And so we had a lot of that.

Cristina: This is when they talk of no more police or that's a little later.

Jack: This is the month where that conversation. It began early and it started to take form as the month went along. And around the 22nd, we get a. From the CDC and the WHO that the. The band the WHO, CDC and the band, the who. We get told that more than 80% of cases in March might have gone undetected. Because now we find out you don't necessarily show symptoms if you have it.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Because now we're starting to get testing in hospitals and things in Mass, and we're finding out, holy crap. There are many, many, many people who have no symptoms. This has already escaped our control. It is God knows who has it. And that's complicated because as we close the month, we've only pretty much been testing people who have either gone to get tested or gone to the hospital at this point. And we've hit that number globally at 10 million by the end of June.

Cristina: 10 million. Which last month, 6 million.

Jack: Yes. So we roughly doubled up. A little less than doubled up. That's how we end June. But then July comes, a relatively tame month. Things don't really happen.

Cristina: Probably more still talks about what to do with those cops.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like police reform becomes a new thing. Besides just getting rid of them. How about we just change the system?

Jack: Yeah. Because of the amount of protesting. That became one of the main things we had to do. And the protesting had not stopped. It will not stop. It's kind of still going on right now, 20, 21. It's never stopped. That ball got started and it's still f****** rolling. There's a place that's had a little over, like, five months of protest straight since they began.

Cristina: Good.

Jack: Fair enough. But, yeah, so that's definitely around July. It starts to take place in New York City, particularly, where they start to actually implement some of these things.

Cristina: Actually. They actually did.

Jack: Yeah. They start firing police officers and they start starting with the people who killed George Floyd. They're starting to get punished. But now they cases are opened everywhere and they're flipping over this law. They've brought up the law that allows paperwork to always be hidden from the public relative to cops and junk.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So now that's immediately got moved to the top main court. S***. And now it's being debated whether we should get rid of this because it is definitely allowing abuse of power.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: So that's all being discussed. And we come to July 7. US surpasses 3 million infections WHO withdraw. So we're just like, you guys don't know what you're doing. Because we know what we're doing. Like, any help is better than no help.

Cristina: No. We have the vice president. He takes charge.

Jack: He takes charge.

Cristina: He's gonna protect us.

Jack: He is better than the ban.

Cristina: The who. Science knowledge.

Jack: Hey, who knows how much science knowledge? He's probably a closeted scientist. Studied all the things, of course. Who. Who do you trust more to deal with the virus? The vice president or the band? The who. Right. Okay.

Cristina: Fair enough.

Jack: See how that works? You think, like, I guess they mean chill music, but, like, do they know chemistry? And it's like, even if Pence doesn't.

Cristina: Know chemistry, he's got the Space Force on his side.

Jack: He does.

Cristina: They could help.

Jack: He's already sort of science y. Yeah, Space Force. Now Covid, it seems like he's at least staying in the sciences.

Cristina: Such weird jobs.

Jack: The most religious guy any of us know is who got put in charge of science.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Crazy. He's going to pray at it. He's going to pray at it. But July 9, things escalate a little more. And it's because in Florida and in Texas, there's regions that people were catching it the entire time, but there were groups of people who were actually staying at home en masse. And those people started getting into the hospital with COVID What was going on? Well, they sent some teams out there to start investigating and checking out what the h***'s happening, because these are rural places where, like, people weren't going anywhere. A lot of them are seniors, and they're just staying home to be safe. But it turns out the virus went airborne. It mutated, and now there's an airborne strain in the South.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And that kind of throws a wrench in all the plans, because how do you hide from something that's going to catch you in your house, whether or not you're around people?

Cristina: But it can't just go into your house, can it? It's not like traveling into houses, is it?

Jack: But, like, on its own, you can't leave the inside of your home, even to your own property, because Air.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Someone who has it might have walked by, and then it's just there hanging out.

Jack: And that doesn't help that we're having some of the craziest wind, which is problematic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: S*** gets weird. So, yeah, now it's airborne. And by. We end July with an airborne virus at 17 million cases global.

Cristina: Whaat.

Jack: What's interesting about this is the numbers are going down. We're not doubling up anymore. The numbers are already huge, so every time we. 0.5, it's still kind of excessive, but the amount it's spreading is still going down. Interesting enough collectively, like, we're no longer double each time, even if way more people have it. We're definitely based on the numbers figuring it out. Even if it looks like there's a bunch of a******* not following rules or whatever.

Cristina: There's enough doing the right thing.

Jack: There's enough doing the right thing. Yeah. And then we enter August. This is a weird one, because s*** gets complicated pretty quickly. So we begin August and immediately with a bang. Yes, with a bang.

Cristina: Hey, like January, sort of.

Jack: Yeah, kind of. Sometimes months start with a bang. And the particular bang here on August 4th was also on August 4th, by the way. Two bangs on the 4th of two different months.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, also, side note, every president who doesn't show up to another president's inauguration has John in their name. Just saying. Just a weird fact about life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's spitting gems. Here's a gem for you. Every president that's ever not gone to the inauguration of another president has been in some manner, shape, or form, had the name John. Had the name John.

Cristina: But there have been Johns who have been there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All the ones that didn't go were John. Were John. Okay.

Jack: And that is Donald. Yes, Donald John Trump. I thought it was Junior until I looked this up.

Cristina: How would you think? Why didn't he. Him naming his child Junior wouldn't make sense. You don't name your child Junior if you're a Junior Canopy.

Jack: The second third would be Junior. The third. There you go.

Cristina: Yeah, but his name is Junior.

Jack: His first name.

Cristina: No, it's Donald Junior, Isn't it? Don Junior, they always call him. Yeah, but is Donald junior?

Jack: Yeah, they don't have to say the third, but he would be. Anyways. Not the point. So the Beirut explosion in Lebanon, that.

Cristina: Was in August 4th.

Jack: Yes, on August 4th. The Beirut explosion in Lebanon, which was two consecutive explosions. One was relatively tame, which got all the cameras out. People started looking and whatever. And then the second one went off, which played a little like a nuke.

Cristina: It looks like, when you see it.

Jack: Yeah. Mushroom cloud and everything.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And it cleared out a giant. It destroyed Beirut root. It got Wrecked pretty badly and killed over 190 people and injured more than 6,000. Windows for miles broken, popped no more windows. Buildings in the immediate vicinity.

Cristina: No more buildings.

Jack: No more buildings. They cease to exist. They have been removed from this universe.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: F****** nuts. And due to. It's due to unsecure tons. Tons. Almost 3,000 tons of ammonium nitrogen stored in hangars in the city's port.

Cristina: Yep. That they totally forgot about or something. Yeah.

Jack: They were like, it's fine here. Nobody said s*** for the last couple of years. It's totally fine. Ignored it. And boom. Then boom. S*** got real. That's how we started the year. A nuke style catastrophe.

Cristina: That was a pretty crazy explosion. Just to watch it. And then all the conspiracies about that and like was it a nuke or was it a bomb from somewhere else or what is. You know. No one wanted to believe what it was.

Jack: Nobody wanted to believe it was what it was. Then August 12th, we find out that severe obesity increases mortality risk from COVID which explains why it spreads like wildfire in the United States. Predominantly in major cities where the unhealthy McDonald's lovin, KFC loving, obese, diabetic, cancerous heart disease, having high blood pressure, having way too much sugar, having no exercise and I'm not gonna eat anything minorly green people live. And so it becomes way apparent why we're doing way worse than the rest of the world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's because we're unhealthy as f***. And it predominantly kills unhealthy people. It began on the elderly. That was how it began.

Cristina: Oh yeah. We didn't mention that. But yes.

Jack: But then as many mutations kept happening, it shifted and it landed on fat people. Fat people. People with. Because it took a while to get to fat people though. It went through smokers. There's a strain that attacks smokers. But there's a strain that if you're a smoker, you're less likely to get what. That's a f******. There was a strain that gives you heart problems. There's one that only affects you if you have heart problems.

Cristina: There was one that was attacking children.

Jack: There was one that was attacking children. There was one that was particularly dangerous for diabetics. So many different strains just mutates any f****** chance it gets. It's f****** crazy. But whatever. So we find that out and then on the 17th, COVID 19, now the third leading cause of death in the U.S. somehow we've still managed to out drive Covid. Right. Is that the other what are the other two?

Cristina: I like. The other one is, like, accidentally falling into something, like something really retarded.

Jack: 5 Ways to Die Us. Oh, s***. So heart disease, then cancer, then Covid.

Cristina: I thought accidents.

Jack: I thought accidents were number one, but it's number three. Yeah, I thought accidents, but I guess I'm wrong. So heart disease, then cancer, and now Covid. Then Covid. Interesting. Covid's a strong runner.

Cristina: I really thought accidents was gonna be up there. It is up there, but it's not.

Jack: It's up there. Not worse than Covid. We're not out here trying to fight heart disease with everything we've got. We're not out here trying to fight cancer with everything we've got. We definitely came up with an immediate vaccine for Covid, though. Rich people got threatened. That's why when rich people get scared, they. They do whatever the f*** they need to. Money goes into everything. But if it's like they're making fat people decisions, they're. Of course you're gonna have heart problems.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can educate them. No, no, no. That wastes my money. But now there's a plague that might get to you. Oh, no. That requires my money. Yeah, so that's how that works. So, yeah, Covid becomes the third leading cause, right behind cancer and heart disease. And then on the 19th, Trump was asked about QAnon at a press conference. QAnon? The people who brought you Epstein's Island?

Cristina: Yes. The people who are trying to protect the world from pedophiles. Evil predo. Pedophile.

Jack: Reptilian, Illuminati. Pedophiles who drink children blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is conflicting because. Are they raping the kids or are they harvesting the kids?

Cristina: I think they're doing both.

Jack: They're raping them and to scare them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you take their blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, so they're vampires.

Cristina: Yes, they're vampires.

Jack: They break in.

Cristina: They're shape shifting vampires. Blood sucking. Yeah, they're vampires.

Jack: Yeah. Kind of fits. Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But when asked about it and whether he supports them, and they explain that these are crazy conspiracy theorists. Not to say they're actually crazy. This is what the media said. I think these people do know what they're talking about to some degree. They're kind of crazy. Don't get me wrong. They're out of f****** minds. But they're not wrong. They're misguided. They are too passionate about something they've not looked deep in enough to like. They haven't done the work.

Cristina: They're disconnecting things they're being told by.

Jack: Some omniscient other douchebag.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: What's going on? They're like, well, let's go. Let's do fear. F****** Q is good. He knows the truth. And it's like, okay, look, some of this stuff is true, but you guys are idiots about your approach, and you're not well informed on how it's true. You're just assuming how it's true.

Cristina: Yes. And then I saw videos of a lady who went to a store where the masks were and she destroyed it for QAnon. She destroyed the mask display.

Jack: Makes sense.

Cristina: Masks are killing us.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, They've laced our masks with things that make us stupid or something.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so, yeah, when told about this, Trump was like, I don't know. I don't even know how to make an impression. I don't know. I don't know much about the movement other than I understand they like me very much, which I appreciate, but I don't know much about the movement.

Cristina: I don't. He sounds evil. He sounds like Batman.

Jack: Hey, he does sound like Batman.

Cristina: I'm not sure.

Jack: And then on August 28th, first known case of COVID re infection reported in the US a person who was cleared and seems to have not have it anymore now has it again, which means you don't stay immune for long.

Cristina: So then what about all these vaccine things? Will they help out if you can just get it again or. It's like the flu, you get it every year.

Jack: Well, assuming that it doesn't work anywhere near as powerful as that, and that your immunity fades after a couple of months, just two or three as it seems. That's really a temporary measure. The goal would be have enough supply. Vaccinate your entire population. The virus has nowhere to go. Isolate those that still have it, vaccinate them, eradicate it. Like smallpox.

Cristina: Will never be that organized.

Jack: We've done it before.

Cristina: Okay, like smallpox.

Jack: Just a matter of doing it right.

Cristina: Until there were ladies who decided their children doesn't need the smallpox vaccine.

Jack: And then it spread all over again, so. Cuz.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: We did it because. Essential oils. Why not? It's those people. Anyways, we close this month off with 25 million cases. Still slowing down. Now we're what, less than one third up? It's way less than before. Numbers are still coming down. But here's what's funny. Everywhere else in the world, they're slowing down.

Cristina: In the US it's growing.

Jack: Most of that increase is just us. That's where it starts to get really complicated. Because us continues to grow exponentially while other places are successfully lowering in town. Enter September. We're long past the January, February, March inferno that Australia was dealing with. It was horrendous. It was awful. But we got through it. We got rid of it. They're gone. We're free. You guys get to rest. It's finally done. You guys can go back home. All you firefighters from California that came to help you get to go home. You Australian firefighters who made it through, you're good. Oh my God, there's a fire in California. We gotta go home to fight a fire also. You Australians, come with us. We need you. Enter the actual worst fire in the planet's history.

Cristina: The California fire.

Jack: Yes. The fast moving bear fire, which was propelled by apparently lightning strikes and 45 mile an hour winds that spread that b**** the f*** out in an hour. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. That was f****** crazy. Burned a hillside by the Bidwell Bar Bridge. The fire tore through 230,000 acres in one 24 hour period. That s*** is not f****** around. That wind was not f****** around. Nevertheless, that wind was followed by a giant cool chill.

Cristina: Then other wildfires spread across California, reaching Oregon and Washington.

Jack: Yes, the craziest part about these are that they weren't even lightning strikes or anything of that nature. It was literal embers. Giant. The winds were so strong they carried over still lit embers that were giant chunks enough to not go out on their travel across state lines.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Land in a different forest and ignite that s***. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's crazy. That's the one that happened in Washington. Yeah, it just flew across from California, landed there and boom, now you're on fire too. So the f****** planets burning at this point. United States is on fire. One of the largest fire or the largest fire in history. We're talking we just lost the Amazon and Australia and somehow. Yeah, let it, let it all burn. All of it. God's like I said once, I wouldn't drown the world. And so he's fair setting it on fire.

Cristina: Because he didn't promise that.

Jack: Okay, yeah, he didn't promise no fire. That was his favorite to start with. Think about it. Saddam and Gomorrah drop that f****** fire from the sky. F*** these people. That's how you do it. Extinguish m************. But yeah, so that's how the f*** that went. And collectively it destroyed so many f****** homes and burned through at least 2.5 million acres in California.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: One of those fires I don't know if it was during that month or later on where the. They were trying to do a child's rebuke. A baby sex reveal party thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Gender reveal.

Cristina: Gender reveal, that's the word.

Jack: But it's wrong. It's. Sex reveal is the right one.

Cristina: Oh, well. Anyway. And that started a fire.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz white people in fireworks America. Yeah, that's what happens. I hope they enjoy jail.

Cristina: Like you know what's happening in California. And then you do that. Though that should be illegal, shouldn't it?

Jack: I think it is illegal.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. You're expecting too much from people who don't think a lot. They should know more. Yes, Most people should know more. Most people don't know more. People are inherently stupid. Those people are a prime example of white privilege.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Moving on. September 23rd, a new, more contagious strain of COVID is discovered. Because that's how the story goes.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Before we had airborne. Now the previous original one that arrived has a strain which can fight most of the things in your immune system. Now you're more likely to catch it.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: And that's to say the airborne strain is now popping up in a lot more places. It's either moving because people are traveling with it, or other strains are evolving to be airborne as well.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be awesome.

Jack: Which is problematic because vaccines come around. Do they work on all the strains?

Cristina: That is the big question that we gotta find out.

Jack: Big question. And then the global COVID deaths surpass 1 million. We have 1 million deaths of COVID landing the end of September with a total number of cases reported at 33 million. A million deaths, though still slowing down gradually. More and more, it's just crawling to a halt. Then we get to October.

Cristina: The first hornet nest is discovered in America. And it was destroyed. It was in Washington state.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: The Nest had 800 workers and nearly 200 queens were produced from that single nest.

Jack: And there's a soon to be more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're just on the hunt for them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So that's October for you. We have on October 2nd, Trump and the first lady test positive for COVID 19 and Trump enters the hospital. On October 5th, Trump leaves the hospital but continues receiving treatment. By October 8th, the White House had a Covid outbreak that reached 34 staff members.

Cristina: Ridiculous. Did he do that? I think he did that.

Jack: He just went back home and spread it to everybody. So as we are reaching the end of October, the flooding that was happening earlier in the year hasn't stopped. Yet.

Cristina: But flooding from India and Nepal.

Jack: Yeah. And as that's finally coming to a close, or not coming to close, but falling lower than it was before, people start calculating the destruction which got excessive because the river resulted in the death of. The river's flooding resulted in the death of 189 people and left over 4 million homeless in India and Nepal, all by the end of October. They were living a separate kind of h*** on top of the fact that they were dealing with the virus in that whole time.

Cristina: 4 million homeless.

Jack: Ah, what End of times. And then we end October with a total infection count of 45 million. But if you notice, that was a.

Cristina: Little bit of a jump there from 33 to 45.

Jack: Now we're over 1/4 gain when we were only just a little. I guess we've been doing about 1/4 for a while now. Okay, fair enough. But we go into November then getting. Getting close to the end here, the end of days, and we enter November and, you know, we have a crazy presidential campaigning and debating and stuff. And then finally on November 3rd is.

Cristina: Oh, before we talk about the elections, I do want to mention a little bit about the Deb. Just one thing. My favorite thing that I probably already talked about, but come on, come on. Trump talks about Biden's plans to replace the windows. No, to destroy buildings and then rebuild them to make little windows.

Jack: Tiny windows.

Cristina: Tiny windows.

Jack: He wants have all the buildings with tiny windows.

Cristina: Tiny windows. Yep. He wants to destroy all of them, replace them just with tinier windows. That's the evil thing.

Jack: Also, Pence became Lord of the Flies.

Cristina: Yes. That was a huge thing, too. That fly was a star in those debates.

Jack: Yes. People love it. He's the most celebrity ever existed.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's the most famous. The only thing more famous than Trump is that fly.

Cristina: Yes. No. November 3rd, the election day happens, and.

Jack: It'S an excruciating day with battles and swords and guns and tanks rolling on the street, missiles dropped.

Cristina: The date like, it lasted three days, four days.

Jack: Well, people were waiting to see how the count happens, which didn't end because many, many more votes way under prepared. November 4th, Trump, he claims that the results are bullshit. That because he ended, obviously. Okay, so the process goes that you begin counting the first ballots that were walking and then you count the ballots that were mailed in. This applies this way to most states. Trump almost exclusively told his people to vote through ballots in person.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: While Biden told everybody to stay f****** home and vote from their house. So the ones that are counted first.

Cristina: Are Trump's are Trump's votes. So his numbers get higher.

Jack: So his numbers get higher. Exactly. They have to be higher because you told everybody to vote in person and the states vote in person. Trump's original goal was to have himself declared president by the end of the first day, to completely exclude any mail in balance. But he found that incredibly difficult because it's illegal and you're gonna go to jail if you do that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that plan got flushed down the toilet, and then propaganda had to come into play, which is where he comes in and tells people that it's bullshit that I'm losing because I was winning yesterday. Yes, but you should have told people to vote by mail, because anybody who was like, I'm not voting by mail. It's crooked, but was too lazy to come in is a vote you lost.

Cristina: And he wants them to recount the.

Jack: Votes and stuff in many, many places that recounted by their own Republicans.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And turned out it wasn't fraud.

Cristina: And also, he has this crazy conspiracy that counting votes turn you evil, which I don't understand. Like, if they're turning you evil, why would you trust the next people to count the votes if the counting's gonna turn those people evil?

Jack: What's fascinating is that the exact same process took place in the previous election.

Cristina: Well, they were all evil. Yeah.

Jack: Because it worked in his favor. He was cool with it.

Cristina: Yes. Once it wasn't. Yeah.

Jack: And that's how that goes. So that's crazy. That happens for a while. And we. We get in the same day that the fourth, where he's over here like, no, this is all bullshit. I secretly won, and they're trying to steal it from me. The United States also reports that the daily coronavirus cases have surpassed a hundred thousand in the country collectively. So we're getting 100,000 cases daily in the country.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And so eventually, Thanksgiving is cancelled.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And people can't go anywhere. You're not allowed to have Thanksgiving. It's canceled. No more. Thanksgiving is legal. But nobody listens and goes and gathers anyways in mass. Many, many, many, many, many people gather in mass. And slowly but surely, s*** gets out of hand and we close the month. With Trump continuing to reject the election results, of course, unendingly, and just claiming it's all fraud. And November closes with a count of 62 million infections global.

Cristina: That's. How much more than 45 is that getting?

Jack: We're getting close to doubling up. All right, this is one. It's plus one half. So we're over 25% now. Now we're doing plus half. Yeah. So we're. That. That's entirely due that jump. That's Thanksgiving right there.

Cristina: That's Thanksgiving.

Jack: People are f****** idiots.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then finally, we hit December, where things get kind of weird. So, December 9, in his bid to overturn the election, the. A bunch of documents and crap are rushed over to the Supreme Court to try to overthrow the decision of the voting and whatever. But it's all rejected. Some of it justly, some of it unjustly. Ironically enough, at some point, they literally stop looking at the cases coming in. And I'm sorry, but it's your job.

Cristina: To look at that.

Jack: To look at the cases coming in.

Cristina: That's your only job.

Jack: That's your only job. You supposed to look at cases. Now you're starting to look crooked because you're just preemptively deciding it's a lie. And look, it doesn't matter if a million of them were. If the millionth and one is true.

Cristina: We need to know.

Jack: We need to know. So you better be looking at all these f****** cases, not deciding. I'm tired of looking at these cases.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could propose a billion of them, and you look through every single f****** one. That's why you're there. You're not gonna do your job then leave your f****** post and let somebody who's gonna go do it be there because you're clearly not getting the point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's problematic in this time. Videos of people taking ballots from under tables showed up. Some of them were disproved, some of them were proved. Some of them were disproved as fraudulent because the containers were right. They were just under a table, and they keep them stored. But the behavior that surrounded the circumstance was particularly weird, in which everybody was told to. They were done, and then these people brought more ballots without supervision and continued to do everything. Now, in the video that shows this particular incident, you see the containers, right? The way they're counting looks right. Everything seems to be right, with the exception that only three people were left in the building, and the reporters and the vote and the poll watchers were all gone. They thought counting was over because the people said, we're not gonna count anymore. You could stay, but we're not gonna count. And everybody left. And then they kept counting without supervision. Now, on camera, we can't see them screening these themselves, but there's nothing really stopping us from missing how they're doing it effectively in front of a camera. That's really weird that they would continue to count after all supervision is gone.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a very strange thing. That is one of I believe three identical videos of the sort. Most of the accused frauds are irrational things that a normal person can just debunk themselves. Including the one that there were a lot of ballots kept or lost by the post office. Which is stupid because if that was the case, over 80% of all ballot votes were for Biden because he told people to vote by ballot and Trump told his not to. So if there were votes missing, which I don't believe that there was a giant landslide difference between their voting count. You're telling me that Biden won by more. If they were missing. That doesn't really fit. I do think it was way closer. If there was fraud, it wasn't significant enough to make change. And if there was, it would be in favor of Biden. Which is weird argument to have.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That the fraud, the poster service failed us inside. You mean the people who were bringing in the left votes. What a weird argument to have.

Cristina: You need an argument though.

Jack: You need an argument. I guess it doesn't work though. It's very, very not thought out. Not to say I do believe there's fraud. There's always fraud. There's never not fraud in an election. But that fraud isn't this crazy thing that they think it's. If there's fraud, it's way more intricate and the normal person wouldn't understand how complicated the systems that led to successfully committing fraud are. That's why the mass who are pretending they have the capacity to understand what informed individuals who strategically planned in privacy how to execute fraudulent tasks in secrecy legally so that it's all through the books except getting caught. That's the only time it becomes illegal. So it's all by the books. You're not supposed to understand. If you believe you understand. You bought into a conspiracy theory. There is no exception to that rule. You bought into a conspiracy theory. There is fraud. No question. And I'm sure because of how bad the system hates Trump.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That there is strategic.

Cristina: They're just the tide of him.

Jack: Yeah. I'm so sure it was planned to get him out. I'm also sure it was done by means that would be too complicated. If it was illegal. It's too complicated for you to understand how it's illegal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever you think you figured out is a lie. You're an idiot. You just believe in some bullshit. And if it wasn't done illegally, it was orchestrated legally with the help of many people, many lobbyists, many people with money and Deepak as trying to get a madman losing the money out of office.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So regardless, I'm on the side of that didn't happen. It wasn't legal by any means. I do believe illegal fraud happened, but it's not what other people think happened. Would Trump have won? I'm not sure. I feel like he's created and he's generated enough hate.

Cristina: It's really hard to tell that.

Jack: Yeah, I think it would have been close anyways. I don't think there's a landslide in Biden's favor. I don't think that's right. I think it was pretty close. But whatever people think is the fraud your fault, if it could stay on the Internet, clearly it wasn't well executed. You're just falling down rabbit holes. That's all it is. And if you're falling down rabbit holes, I highly recommend you educate yourself because you are not the most informed individual. It is important to get factual information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in December 14, finally, the electoral College, which are the most corrupt part of the entire election process because. Corruption, period. Their concept is corrupt. They finally choose Joe Biden as president. They affirm he is the president elect for a fact.

Cristina: That's the end of that until. What is it the end of June or something? Is it next up?

Jack: No, it's January.

Cristina: Oh, January.

Jack: January 20th.

Cristina: 20Th. Okay. And then in December, what everyone's been waiting for aliens. That's what everyone before December came predicted. It would be aliens. And it was aliens. We're told that aliens are real.

Jack: Aliens are real. And they have been real.

Cristina: They have been real. And it was from a former Israel space security chief called Haim Eshed. I think that's how you pronounce it. He said that the Galactic Federation has been waiting for us to reach the stage where we will understand what space and spaceships are, which I feel like we're there, but whatever. They're still waiting. But they don't think we're ready for them. Not yet. So there must be something about spaceship technology that we haven't figured out. I guess we can't maybe warp speed.

Jack: No, man. We can't even, like, reach our moon quickly. Yeah. Definitely has to be some speed threshold because we're just not just bound to our planet, but we're so bound to our planet, it's theoretical, that we can get to Mars. That's a planet over. We haven't figured it out.

Cristina: It's theoretical. Figured it figured out. Then maybe they'll be like, hey, we're.

Jack: Here, I think, truly exploring Our star system is where they show up, which is nowhere near. I think that's the moment that they show themselves, when we have the ability to easily traverse space. And not like it's taking us mad years to cross space, but, like, we can. Hey, I'm going on vacation for the weekend. I'm headed to Mars.

Cristina: That would be awesome. Well, the aliens are curious about us and are seeking to understand the fabric of the universe. The aliens are scientists. I guess that's.

Jack: That's the only way that would happen.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Also, they have an underground base in Mars where American astronauts and aliens are hanging out.

Jack: So we've already been to Mars.

Cristina: Yep. I guess we. Yes. So there's some other space technology that we haven't figured out since we're already in Mars. I guess.

Jack: See, I was on board with this guy, and then you say that part, and I'm like.

Cristina: Why would this guy say that?

Jack: He ruined it. He ruined the illusion.

Cristina: Well, the U.S. government and the aliens signed a contract so that they could do experiments here. So I guess they agree with the aliens abducting us and all those stories.

Jack: I mean, I doubt they're abducting us.

Cristina: And also, President Donald Trump knows about it, and he's been. He's been wanting to let us know, but has been asked not to do it, not to tell us because of mass hysteria. And I guess that's good enough for him. He's like, yeah, I won't.

Jack: I'm super sure he doesn't know, because that's the biggest lie. If he knew, we'd all know.

Cristina: He'd be hinting to it.

Jack: He wouldn't even be hinting to it. He would flat out just tell us, Adam. Sheer amazement.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He would be like, holy f***, people. Aliens.

Cristina: Yep. I'm the best president. I let you know. Aliens.

Jack: You wouldn't have gotten this from Obama.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. And that's pretty much it. That we know about the aliens. It's just that they're waiting for us to learn about space and spaceships, even though we have the technology to be on Mars already and have a space station there already. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, apparently.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And people trolling, decided it would be funny to put monoliths everywhere, everywhere and make them disappear.

Cristina: Monoliths all over the place.

Jack: Put in, people, find them, take them down. Then people like, whoa, where to go, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. And they thought that was aliens, but no way. I saw one that was made out of gingerbread.

Jack: That's fantastic. And the same one that came from one place showed up in the other was identical. Yeah, and then they found out, oh, we can remove it.

Cristina: We are the aliens.

Jack: We are the aliens. We're being trolled by an artist. I forgot the artist's name. But yeah, it was an artist Rendi, not a rendition. It was just a performance art thing. And so also in December, vaccines, the quickest round of vaccine development in history has taken place because rich people are scared to die. So they funded anything I'm promising you. Not only is it already likely that we have the cure to AIDS and cancer and like dying, but like if we don't, rich people can fund the f*** out of it and like get it done overnight. Like realistically, it would be a breeze. There's just no motivation. Yeah, you need cancer because you make money off of the medication for cancer. But if a plague of cancer was ravaging that couldn't be cured and it's exclusively killing rich people, tomorrow you'd have the solution to that problem. Tomorrow it would be done tomorrow.

Cristina: And then we saw a bunch of videos of doctors who were getting the vaccine but weren't really getting.

Jack: Oh yeah, the vaccine was already approved and people were taking it on TV to promote that it's healthy and safe. And the doctors that made the vaccine weren't really getting it. Those needles weren't piercing their skin or anything.

Cristina: Yep. Suspicious.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Very, very. That includes the doctors that made it and Nancy Pelosi.

Cristina: What? How dare she.

Jack: Who also faked getting a f****** vaccine. Additionally, Christmas was cancelled and as a result everybody went to their families houses anyways and prepare for this next explosive wave.

Cristina: Also Santa Claus, they, they let everyone know that Santa Claus doesn't have to worry about COVID because he's immune. Oh yeah, he's immune to Covid.

Jack: Yeah, because he's the God of the elves or something. Is that what he is? He's the God of the elves, Right? Some s*** like that. Yeah. So that's pretty much the year we end December with a total of 80 million global cases. So that's fun.

Cristina: That's fun.

Jack: It's always exciting ending the year on a high note. Get it? High note. But yeah. Quick summary out of. Due to climate change, there were 41 total disasters around the world. Around the world. Of which 8, 18 were in the US. This includes wildfires, hurricanes, typhoons. Five storms made landfall in Louisiana this hurricane season. Yep.

Cristina: Breaking the state record for the most strikes in a single season.

Jack: Yes, there were 30 main storms and.

Cristina: Three of the four fires in California were the biggest they ever Had.

Jack: Yep. And pollution decline in major cities. But it was short lived because eventually we got bored and came back up.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It didn't really matter. The driving less and flying less helped a little for a little while, but.

Jack: But it is what it is. That's how we. That was. That was 2020. That was we. And we're all still here. The work. The world didn't end.

Cristina: It got better. The future's now. We have space travel, a base in Mars.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Last episode you said we do we already go to Mars actually. So this makes sense. That guy was telling the truth.

Jack: Yeah, I guess he was always right. Yeah, he was just revealing secrets that he shouldn't have revealed at that time. And now he's gonna get Epstein'd by other people. But that's cool.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because he's talking. He's talking too much. They know he can't be trusted. Yeah. That's a 2020 right there for you.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: An exciting year.

Cristina: See what 2021 brings.

Jack: That being said, things that didn't even get mentioned on list is the fact that police were in fact removed en masse from New York City. Eventually that led to a mass spike in crime. And a couple of other cities also tried the same thing. Crime rates over the roof, specifically gun related assaults and murders skyrocketed. We had many civil wars all over the country.

Cristina: We destroyed statues.

Jack: Yes. We knocked down statues in the name of civil rights, which was just the government's way to distract us from the fact that there were civil rights problems happening. And by redirecting everybody's focus towards the statues. People feel like they accomplish things if they agree to remove statues and don't really have to change the police forces. Which seems to be exactly what's happening now that after the statues became the focus, Police department stopped being disbanded.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So pretty much more of the same in that angle. Companies all lined with somebody left or right. Somebody picked the side, whatever. Everybody flocked like crazy to. What the f*** is it called? The Parlor. To the Parlor app. Because Twitter and Facebook are shills.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much. 2020.

Cristina: 2020.

Jack: So yeah, this was the review. The just conversation. Rambling review.

Cristina: Yes. So Happy New Year's. Although I said it last episode, so I can't say it now.

Jack: I like how that sounds. Rambling review. That was the rambling review of 2020.

Cristina: Yes. That's how we start off the year.

Jack: Yeah. That's how. That's how we got here, man. That was just the history of how the we got here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, I Hope you guys made it with us. I hope you guys are here with us, alive and good and well. If you want to hear the first part of this episode or any other episodes where we can talk conspiracies of COVID and government, you can find the show on the official website@greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: It and let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Very powerful. Tell people. Did you forget what happened this year? Was this year very boring to you? Very tame, mellow and repetitive. Did you miss most of the other things? Is that rock you were under way too heavy for you to look out of? Under. Well, here's a show for you. And then you show them this episode.

Cristina: In the first part, you tell them all through telepathy, which is now a thing.

Jack: Which is now a thing. You don't have to go there in person. You just send them a message. We're in the year 2021. We're so in the future. What?

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. By who do I think is stronger than Shaggy? What's his name?

Jack: Who? God?

Cristina: No. No. Not even Goku? Not Goku.

Jack: Superman?

Cristina: Chuck Norris.

Jack: You think Chuck Norris could be f****** Shaggy?

Cristina: Shaggy for sure.

Jack: Of all people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: He can do anything.

Jack: So can Shaggy, who's only using 1% of his power all times relative to anybody.

Cristina: We've never seen him do anything besides beat people up. I've never heard about any stories of him making things or any type of godlike powers that Sheik Norris has.

Jack: Here's the thing. Shaggy could beat up somebody like Chuck Norris using only 1% of his power.

Cristina: That's all he has because he hasn't.

Jack: Used the other 99 of his power. That's what you're missing here. With 1%, he can take down gods. Yeah, what does 2% look like? But he doesn't, because he doesn't need to. He could already beat God, and he could beat the. Beat Goku, and he could beat Chuck Norris.

Cristina: But Chuck Norris can do anything.

Jack: So can Dr. Manhattan and Dr. Manhattan get smacked down by Shaggy?

Cristina: Yes. But no. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and Published by GreatThoughts.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

January 02, 2021

Rambling 114: 2020 Apocalypse Review pt 1

January 02, 2021/ GreyThoughts.Info

Just conversation, Podcast, Review, 2020 Review, New Year, Special, Police Brutality, Corruption, Election Fraud

What the hell happened in 2020? Well we do a recap of the events and where we went wrong!

The duo decides to dust off ancient books of the year 2020 and discover what the elders of that era were doing in their younger days and how they were dealing with the events. Going month by month and event by event, our two heroes revisit the highlights of this time before the flying cars and immortality were a thing.

(This episode contains a transcript to make it accessible to Deaf and Hard of Hearing Audiences #DeafPodcast)

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Bushfires
World War III
The Who
Umbrella Corp.
Trump is the Best
Toilet Paper Crisis
Global Lockdown
Aliens Confirmed
Murder Hornets

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Nick: Hi, my name is Nick.

Jack: I'm Brandon.

Nick: We are the hosts of the tennis podcast where every week we cover a different top 10 ish list. We cover lists such as the highest grossing films of all time, the best selling musicians of all time, the the.

Jack: Sexiest mogwais, the richest leprechauns, the all.

Nick: This and more we cover on the tennis podcast.

Jack: I had more.

Nick: You can find us on all podcast players including Apple podcasts, Spotify, Stitcher. All you gotta do is search for 10ish podcast. You can also find us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram. And Brandon, what will we do if the listeners don't check out our podcast?

Jack: Well, cut your head off.

Nick: Don't make us cut your head off. Listen to the tennis podcast.

Jack: Bye.

Christina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Christina: What does live mean?

Jack: Huh? Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Christina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Christina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss. Discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to ask somebody nicely to listen to the show, please.

Christina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Jack: Totally.

Christina: For this episode.

Jack: For this episode.

Christina: What if they already did everything you told them to do in the last episode and now they're like, what?

Jack: Well, they.

Christina: How was that work?

Jack: No, they already got the work done. If they already listened and did it once and they got somebody to listen to the show.

Christina: But they assume like this episode would start the same though, and they would have prepared the same way.

Jack: Do you think they're just going out and doing this every episode?

Christina: Yes. After you said you gotta do it or else your memories erase. Actually, your memories always erase.

Jack: That's the craziest part.

Christina: I'm not really sure what their punishment was. Or. You kill their child.

Jack: Yeah. Their children are in danger and they gotta pay tax.

Christina: Yeah. In this episode, they did it for nothing.

Jack: No, this is a new, fresh year. What are you talking about?

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: This is different. We changed individuals. The only instance something bad would happen is if they don't ask somebody nicely, in which case their children are still in danger. And even if they're listening, it's outside of our power, they're gonna lose their memory. So all of that is sort of out of our control and they're still gonna get taxed.

Christina: Where does the memory loss. Where does that come from?

Jack: There's subliminal messaging in every episode.

Christina: Oh, okay, so the episodes. Doing it to them.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. We have our engineers encoded into the background.

Christina: Why do we do that?

Jack: To erase their memories.

Christina: Why?

Jack: Because we're like that.

Christina: We're like that. Okay?

Jack: That's who we are as people.

Christina: Yes. That's how we are.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: Anyways, Happy New Year.

Jack: Happy New Year.

Christina: It's not too late to say that. Like, how long after New Year is it? Like, stop saying Happy New Year.

Jack: I don't know.

Christina: Is it like the first time you see a person through the year? That time is the time you say it and then after that, no more.

Jack: It's a new year. Yeah, I guess.

Christina: But you just say it once and that's it.

Jack: Yeah, I don't.

Christina: You don't have to greet each other until the end of January or something.

Jack: Look, you say Happy new year until December 31st, and then there's a new year.

Christina: No, that's too much. At a point, you gotta stop. I think just say one time.

Jack: Says who? Who? Where's.

Christina: You just say one time.

Jack: Where's it written down? Point, point at the rule.

Christina: Right there. Right where I'm pointing.

Jack: That's not the rule.

Christina: Yes, it is.

Jack: I can see what you're saying. It's not that.

Christina: It's that.

Jack: That's a bottle.

Christina: It's the rule. You can't prove it's a bottle.

Jack: You can't prove it's the rule. Based on that same logic.

Christina: Well, the listeners will have to just believe me.

Jack: Fair enough.

Christina: I'm pointing out the rules anyways.

Jack: So, yeah, the. It's 2021. We're in the future. We have flying cars, flying skateboards. Our sneakers fly. So I don't know. I would need any of those other two options. There's tubes that teleport us immediately where we need to be.

Christina: Who uses those tubes?

Jack: We've been living on Mars for the past. How many days has it been since New Year's? For like three days. We got colonies set up.

Christina: We have for the tubes. I don't get it.

Jack: I don't get it.

Christina: And also, if you're going through the tubes, when you go to the end, are you upside down?

Jack: That's an interesting question. Right?

Christina: Yeah. How does that work?

Jack: I mean, I guess it would have to be like a tube that then loops up and then drops you down.

Christina: Oh, okay. Just. I never got that. But okay.

Jack: I don't understand either, because they get sucked in straight up. But Then they land straight up, which is like somewhere something sketchy happened.

Christina: Yes. I don't know. They were murdered. That's a clone.

Jack: Could be. So 2020.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: We're on the moon. We're on Mars. We have a Dyson sphere around the sun.

Christina: Wait, you're talking about 2020.

Jack: 2021.

Christina: Oh, 2021. Okay.

Jack: 2010 just happened and we proved there's no God. What other achievements have happened this year? Things that have totally opposite from 2020, where the first f****** four days we dropped a bomb on somebody. But outside the point.

Christina: That was in December. In January.

Jack: January, man. That was January 4th or 3rd.

Christina: What?

Jack: Something like that.

Christina: Oh, I forgot about that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Trump was like, I ain't starting this year on no easy route. He was the. The foreshadowing about the year ago. And so totally counter to that. We've cured cancer, all of them. Cured diabetes, we cured obesity.

Christina: All of this happened in the first.

Jack: Week, a couple of days. Days or some s***. Yeah. So all of this has happened since then. We've found the cure to death. We no longer die.

Christina: No longer die.

Jack: The breakthrough for telepathy happened yesterday. I believe so. Yeah. The year's going really good. Way better. Yes, way better.

Christina: What was your favorite part of last year, though? It was a really great year. I don't know what you're talking about.

Jack: It wasn't a bad year. I didn't say it was a bad year.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I said it's just opposite. Last year it was more about tearing things down. This year is about building things up.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Science last year was like flat earth and conspiracy theories. This year, science, nothing but science.

Christina: This year was about conspiracy theories. It was a very conspiracy theory heavy year.

Jack: It was. It was. Anyways, I figured we could catch up on all the things that happened since January.

Christina: Oh, since January. January.

Jack: So that's what this episode is. This is a recap of the amazing. This is a 2020 recap.

Christina: If you forgot anything that happened last year or you just. There's so much things that happened, you probably don't know every single thing that happened.

Jack: Look, she might be trying to be nice about it, but in reality, if you're blackout drunk or a guy who was just strung out straight through 2020, because, f***, this year we're gonna tell you all the things you missed because you were in some sort of black cloud of nothingness.

Christina: Yes. We're here to help you out.

Jack: Yeah. Exactly how it's gonna happen. So. So let us begin by going way to the beginning. First There was nothing.

Christina: No, no. Well, what I remember. I would like to start before January, actually, because.

Jack: Before the first day.

Christina: Yes, before the first day. Because in December, something was happening in China and we didn't know what it was. And now we know, of course, but that started in December of 2019, which we were just like, there's something going on. What is it? Who knows? Mystery.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: And then it became the.

Jack: Some people got sick here, some people got sick over there. Oh, people getting really sick. It's spreading like wildfire.

Christina: It spread. And then in January, I guess now we can go to January.

Jack: Yes, in January, global cases of this mysterious virus have gone up to 9,000, 906.

Christina: And it was all in China. No, I don't know.

Jack: Maybe. I don't know. It was probably some here and there, but it was predominantly in China. So, yeah, 9,906 cases. So let's start. So we've got viruses somewhere out in the world, but elsewhere in the world, away from the viruses. Australia is on fire.

Christina: Yes. It's having its worst fire ever. Ever, ever.

Jack: The continent's on fire.

Christina: The continent? Yes. It's so crazy that New Zealand could see the smoke from the fire.

Jack: Yeah. The amount of area taken up is about the size of South Korea. No bullshit.

Christina: Of the fires.

Jack: The fire.

Christina: Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Jack: The amount of fire covers an area the size of South Korea.

Christina: Whoa. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. That's huge. That is huge. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Roughly 25 million acres burned.

Christina: No, it's not.

Jack: 25 million acres on fire. And at least 33 people died. Exciting way to start this f****** year. Yeah, fantastic. Including at least three firefighters were dead there, too.

Christina: Yes. And the smoke of the fire was a problem. Besides the actual fire, the smoke, it was just really bad. The pollution of the air. Pollution.

Jack: Yeah. It's f***** up the planet to great new heights, not just locally, but like the planet.

Christina: The planet.

Jack: The planet. Yeah. Maybe around 3,000 homes have been lost. And the smoke was definitely like the big centerpiece there because it got seen everywhere and it's still lingering up there.

Christina: Still lingering.

Jack: Yeah. That s*** is in the sky. Then it got contagious later because of this. Australia recorded the worst pollution it's ever.

Christina: Seen, 23 times higher than what's considered hazardous. So it was really dangerous. It's still really dangerous. Are they still there? They're not there anymore. Right. We got a new Australia. Yes. We destroyed that land and built a new land over it.

Jack: No, they were still areas to live in. Like, the whole place isn't Gone.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Australia outsizes South Korea, which is why it's weird that it's an island. It's a continent island.

Christina: It's a continent island.

Jack: It's a continent country island.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Australia is a unique place with unique.

Christina: Animals that we gotta save. We gotta go over there and save the animals. There's so many unique animals in Australia.

Jack: There's too many unique animals on the planet in general.

Christina: Australia. They only come from Australia. Once they're gone, they're gone.

Jack: So.

Christina: But they're so unique.

Jack: So.

Christina: Knuckles. We'll lose Knuckles. You want him to die?

Jack: I don't care. Look, here's the thing. The universe is making choices. Who are we to stop it? To stop it.

Christina: What about that weird platypus thing?

Jack: F*** that platypus thing. There's like, a furry duck mammal thing.

Christina: It's a mammal that thinks it's a bird. Yes. But it's so awesome. I don't want to lose those animals.

Jack: Yeah. I don't. I don't know. It's like, there's too many animals. What? Val, who cares? We save these animals, but then we ignore those. Or we have to kill those to save the environment anyways. Like, what the. How are we trading this off? We decide we got to save the Australian animals because. Trees on fire. But then over here, we're like, we gotta set these trees on fire because it's gonna kill the animals.

Christina: We're setting the trees on fire?

Jack: Well, you set the trees on fire to prevent bigger fires from happening in the future by controlling where the fire can happen and thus saving the E ecosystem.

Christina: But we can't do that. We're bad at it. Is that what we have?

Jack: Point being, we save these animals, but then we destroy those trees. Okay, maybe the trees are just making choices.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Or not even the trees. Just.

Christina: Nature is saying goodbye to Australia. Or at least a big chunk of it.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't. The universe makes choices we're not allowed to question. Universal choices. Australia declares a state of disaster after the death of over 500 million animals.

Christina: That's so crazy.

Jack: That's f****** nuts.

Christina: That's crazy. Exactly. Exactly.

Jack: Yeah. It's pretty excessive. The amount of death, like, incalculable. And we're not even considering the amount of insects that lived in there.

Christina: Oh, my gosh. If we count the insects. Whoa. That's too much. That's a lot of death.

Jack: No, no, it's excessive. 25,000 koalas are dead. The koalas are dying.

Christina: The koala does. Yeah. 30% of their home is wiped out thanks to the fire. What are we gonna do with them? The ones that they can't go back home because their home is gone?

Jack: We're gonna eat them.

Christina: We keep them as pets.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: No, I think that's a bad idea. Take them to the zoos. No.

Jack: Smoothing along in January, the lovely President of the United States had a drone strike on a foreign military leader. That was an exciting introduction to the year. Not only were we rolling over from this Australia fire of the previous year, but we're like, this year didn't start on fire enough. Let's get some fireworks going.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And we drop the bomb that the f****** drone strike kills an Iranian general, Qasem Soleimani. That's when we drop the. So we dropped the drone on Soleimani, man.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. S*** got out of hand. There was definitely the potential for a war with the US both on their territories and on our territories, which is weird. Immediately at the beginning of the year, the potential for war just opened up.

Christina: And that reminds me, wasn't in December the Korean thing happening? Was that. Not this December? I don't remember. Oh, man. That Korea. We weren't sure if they were gonna bomb us because he made us some weird message about, like, you were gonna give you guys a gift or something. And we were thinking he was gonna, like, some horrible thing was going to happen.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Like a nuke or something.

Christina: Yeah. I'm not sure if that was this December, though. It was eight. December, for sure.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It might have been this past. Not 2020, but like 2019. December.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because I wasn't for this year.

Christina: It wasn't. Okay.

Jack: No, that was for last year, I believe.

Christina: All right, Sorry.

Jack: Whatever. F******.

Christina: That was another.

Jack: It was 29.

Christina: We're going to be in war.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened usually. Then around January 9th, the WHO announces this mysterious coronavirus pneumon in Wuhan, China.

Christina: The beginning.

Jack: So there were already signs of something weird happening. But now the who got involved. The band. The who is now involved. S*** is serious.

Christina: That's how we know.

Jack: That's how we know. Once the. Once the who stops making music and gets involved, are they still alive?

Christina: That's an old band, isn't it?

Jack: It's very old.

Christina: Okay. So they came back from the grave.

Jack: Now, in the time that this s*** happens and it gets announced, people start to f****** panic and we start so dumb. Oh, my God, we're idiots. Because as the panic begins, we start pulling out everybody who we have. All Americans, rather come back Home.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Christina: Let them stay there for two weeks.

Jack: Yeah, abandon them. Let them stay there. You're pulling them out of a zone that has a plague running around. Yeah, maybe, Maybe, just maybe, just let them there. You just leave them there?

Christina: Yeah. Didn't we do that with the people on boats, on the cruise ships? We just, like. Okay, we thought about it mad late.

Jack: We thought about it mad late. That solution came mad late. Oh, when it's like, you brought the plague over, why didn't you just f****** cut it off?

Christina: I don't know. What was the point?

Jack: That's really how it spread. Yes, that's really how it spread. But here's what's funny. A bunch of people who did not get tested for having it or whatever were like, man, I must have had it back then. I heard that so many times. Like, people who thought they had it earlier than what happened or whatever.

Christina: Yeah. And you believe them?

Jack: No.

Christina: Okay.

Jack: I think it's possible, I guess, but what are the odds there weren't, like, a lot of people with it. You didn't just happen to have it, but it's these people who are, like, hypochondriacs, essentially.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** crazy, but. Yeah. I don't know why the f*** we were pulling people out. Just f****** close that b**** down and leave them in there.

Christina: Leave them there. Look, that would have been a great solution.

Jack: Sucks. But they're the guinea pigs at this point. You're gonna find out how bad it is.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Are they gonna die?

Christina: Especially when a lot of countries don't even trust China and their news and stuff. Why not just keep your people there and just, you know, check on them and make sure that everything's.

Jack: Or. When they brought them up, why'd you bring them into the country and let them go? You should have, like, rented out a boat and put them on there. Yeah, right at the beginning. Keep them quarantined. You don't want them over there. We'll trap them over here, but. Trap them somewhere?

Christina: Yes.

Jack: That's f****** nuts.

Christina: Crazy.

Jack: So, yeah, that happens for the next couple of weeks.

Christina: Mm.

Jack: And then on the 21st, obviously, the CDC confirms the first US coronavirus cases. I mean, like, no s***. Yeah, maybe. Maybe you don't let people leave China when China's overrun by a deadly plague.

Christina: No one knew that it was so deadly. Or they did. I don't know. Whatever.

Jack: Weren't the hospitals over there right at the start?

Christina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Then Also on the 21st, Chinese scientist confirms COVID 19 human transmission.

Christina: Now we know about the monkey virus. Or was it a bat virus? Bat virus?

Jack: Bat soup virus. That's where that conspiracy starts. Because people got to be sketchy and make s*** up. And it came from a restaurant where bat soup was happening. And I don't know where the f*** that rumor got started.

Christina: You.

Jack: I definitely started that rumor.

Christina: Yes. And what was that other rumor? It came from that Resident Evil place.

Jack: Umbrellas, which I also started. It came from the. I started both of those.

Christina: Umbrella Corporation.

Jack: Yes. Well, that one might be true. It's not called the Umbrella Corporation, but it gets started in some lab or something. Yeah, that's the weird part. Like, there's. They're thinking it leaped through animals, but it was. Something was being tested on that kind of caused it. And not like we're gonna. I mean, we don't know the motivations behind them. They could have been like, we're gonna f****** destroy the world. But, like, it's unlikely. But, like, I'm not saying it didn't happen. I just don't know that it did.

Christina: There's many possibilities.

Jack: Many possibilities. And two days later, Wuhan, now under quarantine. This is where Hong Kong closed its borders to the rest of China and s*** everywhere. Wasn't allowing travel. Wuhan was on total lockdown. Everybody was trapped in their houses. I remember they were spraying down their roads and cleaning them in hazmat suits or sidewalks or buildings, everything.

Christina: And people weren't allowed out. And they need a passport. Not. What's it called? Pass.

Jack: Yeah, they needed a pass to go outside.

Christina: Yeah, they needed passes to go outside. What?

Jack: F****** nuts.

Christina: Mm.

Jack: All that s*** was cray cray.

Christina: That was cray cray. Then in January 31st, WHO issues global health emergency. So it's not a pandemic yet.

Jack: No, no. That happens much later down the line, but with the worldwide death toll becomes.

Christina: A health emergency because it's spreading fast.

Jack: And also that's around the same time that Trump got impeached for making a perfect phone call.

Christina: Yes. That was his tweet. I got. Well, I just got impeached for making a perfect phone call. Trump has the best words.

Jack: He has the best words. Let's be real. He has an army of followers.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: And not to say that the left or right, because they're also a bunch of morons, but the bull. The right is blind. Like, both sides are pretty heavily brainwashed, except the left requires an army of people working tactically together to brainwash them. Trump seems to do what they do. Single handedly to both sides, I guess. Yeah, sort of.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: He portrays whatever image he wants and gets what he wants.

Christina: Yep.

Jack: So Trump effectively manipulates all the idiots on both sides.

Christina: And I'm sure that phone call was perfect. A perfect phone call. Only he could have a perfect phone call.

Jack: I swear that phone call was a tactical masterpiece in order to throw people off of something crazier he was doing.

Christina: Ooh, it was.

Jack: He's too slick. He's too slick. He is one of the smartest individuals to have just blessed this planet and he really is. The best part is he's not Obama, who needs to show off his intellect and prove to people I'm slicker than you are. He's okay with. Sure, it's okay. If you think I'm an idiot, I have the upper hand there. Because if you think I'm an idiot, I can always catch you off guard.

Christina: And he always does.

Jack: And he always does.

Christina: I don't know how.

Jack: The right ignores blatant facts because he says so. And he's tricked them many, many times. The left will ignore blatant facts just because he says so. They. They get sucked into vortexes of his thoughts. He does have the perfect words. He destroys the psyche of dumb people.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: He said idiots will vote for me and idiots voted for him. He said, these morons on the left are gonna freak the f*** out when I do this. And they did f****** freak out. They're all idiots. Both sides are so stupid. They don't realize that Trump isn't what he says he is. He's what he secretly is and lies to you about an image that you're gonna follow. He knows who's gonna do what.

Christina: It works for him.

Jack: It works for him very well. And so he has an army of followers and haters, all based on his chosen perception.

Christina: And that was the end of January.

Jack: Yeah, beautiful. End of January, it was the we're still in light time, light light mode. Very simple, easy.

Christina: I don't know. Those are pretty crazy situations.

Jack: But no, that was tame s*** compared.

Christina: To what comes next.

Jack: That was all tame s***. Yeah. Cuz next comes February. So we finished almost at 10,000 cases on January. Come February, by the end of February, we have about 85,000 cases.

Christina: Crazy jump.

Jack: That's a crazy jump. To contain the coronavirus outbreak, the Chinese government sealed off Wuhan, which happened at the beginning, at the end of January and banned public transportation and private cars from the streets and access to the streets. Businesses shut down. Hospitals were the only place essentially open and groceries were Essentially being delivered to people's doorsteps because they were now allowed outside of their house. Rationing.

Christina: They were really trapped.

Jack: They were locked the f*** down.

Christina: What?

Jack: Yep.

Christina: That's the beginning now. Are they all dead? Is it nothing there now?

Jack: No, there's probably fine now.

Christina: Okay.

Jack: Or they're still going through it. Who knows? Like, the world hasn't solved the problem yet, so who the h*** knows? You're starting this year, still dealing with that. But by February 2, all global air travel has been cut, which is great.

Christina: I mean, I guess it's bad for people who need to travel, but yes, great for Earth. Earth was like, I need this.

Jack: Yeah, Earth was definitely. That's the craziest part. I remember somewhere in, like March, after the lockdowns happened, that people were making those posts about just seeing animals coming out. It's like, Earth is healing itself or whatever.

Christina: Earth is healing itself. Oh, yes. I think that was a meme too.

Jack: Yeah, it was f****** everywhere.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it got it all obviously, like mediums, like spun out of control and then dumb equal.

Christina: Exactly. Yeah. It's like two. What was it? Two scooters floating out of the water. Earth is healing itself. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Sounds about right. Yep. Yep. But basically February is a really slow month because it's very drowned in Covid. That's pretty much all the excitement.

Christina: Covid.

Jack: Covid. By February 3, the US declared public health emergency. So, okay, we caught up to s*** that's already been going on. We don't f****** do s*** on time, I guess.

Christina: Or watching Covid on the news 247 by now. Or I feel like more on Feb. March.

Jack: Yeah, more like March or whatever. I remember tracking.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Every time we were here, we would always check to see what. What the progress was.

Christina: Yeah. But the rest of the people in the Illuminati office weren't really paying attention until March.

Jack: Yeah. Until we were all given the order of. Now it's serious, guys. Yeah, Time to work.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: But by the 10th, China's COVID 19 deaths had exceeded of SARS. What? The SARS crisis.

Christina: Do you remember how much death was in the sars?

Jack: No, but this is way more than that.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And then on February 25th, the CDC says COVID 19 is heading towards pandemic.

Christina: Status and people flipped out. Not this part.

Jack: This is the.

Christina: This is not the part yet.

Jack: They were freaking out at the. Just the anticipation that it might be called the pandemic was like, oh my God. Like, bro, whatever's happening is already happening. They're Just changing the title of it.

Christina: But the change somehow made it feel more like, oh, my gosh. Like, these cases aren't oh, my gosh. But.

Jack: Well, we finish February, like I said, with 85,000 cases, and then it jumps. And then it jumps. So that by the end of March, we're at 800,000 global cases. Ten times over.

Christina: Yes. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So where we're. It's definitely spreading pandemic style.

Christina: Mm. Man. But the numbers are just so crazy. It's just gonna get crazier.

Jack: The leaps are monumental.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: So March.

Christina: The first lockdown.

Jack: Yes. Yes, the first lockdowns. And ahead of the possibility of those lockdowns, the first thing that happened after people heard, oh, my God, it might become a pandemic is we have to stock up on supplies for when we're locked down. And everybody had the same idea. Fair enough. Stock up on what you have. Of course, there's greedy people who were gonna take more than they needed. There's always that bunch of people who are douchebags, essentially. I got more money. I'm buying way more. And, yeah, whatever you're douchebagging, you deserve to be in by the zombies that are coming or whatever's happening. And I'm pretty sure in New Jersey, at some point, there was, like, some other plague.

Christina: Why?

Jack: There was some other s*** killing people off, but the government was suppressing. I remember that s*** specifically. I remember reading about that. That the government was suppressing some f****** other plague that was happening. Right. In New Jersey.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: You remember that? We had this conversation about how some other sh. Like, plague was happening in Jersey.

Christina: Yeah, I remember talking about it, but I don't know, like, what happened with that?

Jack: This s*** got crazier, I guess, and it, like, over camera. Anyway, so when people were, you know, shopping, buying their things, some mass hysteria took over.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And it led to people, instead of buying food, buying toilet paper. All of it.

Christina: All of it.

Jack: All of it, yes. Everywhere in the world. The world ran out of toilet paper.

Christina: Not really. Because they had so much.

Jack: Not really, because toilet paper are usually locally made, and toilet paper tends to be stocked in the warehouse real close by.

Christina: But they was gone.

Jack: And it was gone for, like, a week.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they would. If you come at. If you come into the supermarket. This applies to most things in a supermarket. If you empty the thing out at night, the stock deliver people show up at night and restock so that by the morning, everything is already there.

Christina: Yeah. So the horse shortage is just for the night. Yeah.

Jack: Until the close by warehouse ran out. That doesn't mean they don't have some giant other warehouse somewhere with it. Which is why it took a week after the warehouse ran dry. Because people kept hoarding it. Because it happened in a domino effect way where somebody saw somebody buying too much toilet paper and they were like, oh, s***, this probably happening. Everyone let me buy toilet paper. And so they bought toilet paper. Then some other person sees the person who originated doing it. The person who saw them doing it panicked, and then they panic, and you follow this train of thought. And then before long, everybody only buying f****** toilet paper. The zombies. And that repeatedly led to the warehouses themselves running dry. But the local warehouse, not the distribution warehouse. So the local warehouse at the end of the week would get stocked f****** anyways. And people were like, oh, the shelves are empty. We gotta get as much as we can when we see it. Which is ridiculous.

Christina: Yes. And that lasted a while.

Jack: That lasted a while. Lasted a couple of weeks before people just started putting up signs. No, you are. You take one.

Christina: Yes. There was a lot of. You take one for. Because it started with toilet paper, but then it became other things like.

Jack: Yeah, hand sanitizer.

Christina: Yeah. Loves frozen food. I saw that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Christina: Also, if you want to know more about toilet paper, we did an episode about what, the many conspiracies of why toilet paper.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Christina: Besides hysteria, there are other reasons.

Jack: Yeah, there's definitely way more going on there. So if you're interested on that, you could go check that out. But the shortages of toilet paper were so global, they hit all the major locations in the world, predominantly. So we're talking Hong Kong, Australia, United Kingdom, United States. Big, giant, f****** colossal places.

Christina: I'm happy it wasn't just United States. It would be embarrassing if we were the only country.

Jack: I think it started in Australia.

Christina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. I think we were the followers in this instance.

Christina: I don't know what's worse. No. I think it's a little better than if it was just us and we were the only ones.

Jack: But it feels like something very American.

Christina: Yes. Yes, it does.

Jack: It does. Feels like something only United States people know about. Anyways, on March 6, to change the tone. To change the tone of people, you know, a pandemic murdering people, because that's crazy. And people fighting each other like zombies over toilet paper and mass death happening. Will look in this other direction. At March 6, 21 passengers on a California cruise ship test positive.

Christina: I don't know how that's more positive, like, good news compared to the horrible news. You just Said you made it sound like they're positive.

Jack: 21 positive people. That's better than 21 negative people. Not really. Isn't it weird? Why don't we say negative, you're negative.

Christina: Because negative is negative. Or it feels like it's weird that.

Jack: Negative means positive and positive is negative.

Christina: I. Whatever.

Jack: You're infected, you're positive, which is a negative thing. Yes, you're negative, which is a positive thing. Yeah, that's weird.

Christina: That is weird. That's how it works.

Jack: Point being, 21 passengers in a California cruise ship test positive. Those people weren't gonna see home in a long time. They were gonna have a bad time. March 9 rolls by. Italy places 16 million people in quarantine.

Christina: They got a lot of people now.

Jack: We're getting into harsh territory, though. 16 million people in quarantine, more than a quarter of its population. In a bid to stop the COVID What? Yeah. A day later, the quarantine expands to cover the entire country. That 25% means nothing because a hundred percent goes into lockdown.

Christina: Crazy. Wow, that's crazy.

Jack: 16 million people was a quarter. So we're talking 68, 68, 64. 64 million people in quarantine. Yep.

Christina: That's even more people. Yes. We're dealing with millions.

Jack: Whole country on lockdown.

Christina: Whole country. Yep.

Jack: That's crazy. Then we have March 11th. Finally, the people who bought all the toilet paper get what they were hoarding toilet paper for. The COVID virus is titled a pandemic.

Christina: Are you sure it wasn't. It was titled a pandemic, and then people started getting toilet paper. Do you remember the order?

Jack: Yeah, it was definitely before.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, it was definitely the anticipation. People were doing it ahead of lockdowns.

Christina: Oh, yeah. Okay. Yes. It was before lockdowns. I remember that.

Jack: Okay. Yeah, yeah. And then on the 13th, Trump declares COVID 19 a national emergency. Kind of late, buddy, but it's all right. On the same 13th, all travel from Europe stopped into the US no more. We don't want no more Europeans here.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: We're banning everybody's travel, essentially. And then California becomes the first state to issue a stay at home order, which failed.

Christina: Did it fail at the beginning?

Jack: It was fine at the beginning. It helped.

Christina: It did help.

Jack: Yes. It worked. It brought it way down and for a way long time. They were the first place to have a bunch of people. But there. A bunch was in the low, like the double digits.

Christina: Okay.

Jack: They had double. I remember following it. There was one here. There's two there. There's Three.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: It wasn't like overnight. There's thousands.

Christina: But it's like that now.

Jack: Yeah, it's like that now. They managed to fight it off at the beginning, then they opened up and s*** hit the fan. And we discover by the 31st that COVID 19 could be transmitted through the eyes.

Christina: I'm not sure what that means.

Jack: It means that, like, you can cry.

Christina: On someone and then they get Covid.

Jack: No, we're saying that it's no longer just you covering your mouth and your nose. If there is air particles that have the virus in it and that lands on your eye, you have now contracted the COVID Oh, yes.

Christina: Do glasses help at all?

Jack: No, they'll help from the front, I guess.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's like quite a bit of opening. So I guess with glasses you have more protection than somebody without.

Christina: Yeah, like a 5% or some low.

Jack: Percentage, some added protection, but without like full gauze goggles blocking your face.

Christina: Why hasn't that become a popular thing?

Jack: I don't know. We could barely handle masks because this is America. So. Yeah, by now we have global lockdowns and hundreds of thousands of businesses go out of business and people go homeless. Schools close, airports close. Travel is globally banned. And around the same time, we have the stock market beginning to crash because nobody's driving. Oil prices drop, stock prices drop in the Dow Jones hits below low anything.

Christina: It'S ever hit in history.

Jack: In history.

Christina: Well, it's pretty crazy month.

Jack: Yeah.

Christina: S***'s starting to get real related, but it's pretty crazy.

Jack: Yes. The domino effect of COVID is crazy. The right at the beginning s*** was real.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: And people went into panic hard. A lot of people thought it was.

Christina: Like the end and somehow it's not.

Jack: It's never the end. We're f****** cockroaches.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Nothing's gonna f****** kill us. But we end March at 800,000 to enter April. So April 27, South Korea told CNN that despite speculation Kim Jong Un, who was expected to be dead because he was ill, was actually alive. So basically, conspiracy theories.

Christina: There's so much conspiracy theories about whether he was really alive or not, because they were saying he was, but no one's seen him.

Jack: Nobody saw him for a while because he was ill. They thought he might have. The one of the things. It was the possibility the virus made it into the country, which it still hadn't because they're so f****** locked down and cut off from the rest of the world.

Christina: Yeah, I can't imagine that. But even if they did, we would.

Jack: Never know yeah, but eventually it did made it in. It did make it in.

Christina: It didn't make it.

Jack: Yeah, it made it in one way or another. I don't remember how the f***. But that's not even it, because we also start getting into sketch territory when the Pentagon releases videos that they have taken into classified files of UFOs before. They. If you remember a couple of years ago, there was one 2017, this one 2019, and one in 2006 or something. All these videos that they kept collecting, saying we were gonna find out what they are. Those are just, you know, planes.

Christina: This is the time they say, we don't know.

Jack: Yeah. They release all three of them and they're like, we don't know what any of this is. None of our enemies, none of our allies have anything we're seeing here. We can't tell you what it is. Society, it's yours. You figure it out. Yes, but people are so panicked because the virus, that s*** just disappears. Like two days later, we forgot about it. Like aliens. Yeah. Yeah, but the virus is here now. Yeah, you should have showed us this, like, last year.

Christina: But we were showed this last year. Oh, but they didn't say anything, I guess. Does that make a difference?

Jack: Yeah, we saw videos, but nobody was like, it wasn't an official government message saying, this is some crazy s***, guys.

Christina: Yes. Oh, Trump's cures. He gives us some crazy cures that month. One of the cures was disinfectant. Like maybe we could put that in our bodies.

Jack: Oh, yeah, Yummy. Bleach.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Inject bleach right into your veins, bro. That's the solution.

Christina: And the other was using very powerful light.

Jack: Yeah, ultraviolet light. So the theory here is he is assuming that we're so advanced he has way hopes for us, that we can somehow capture photons, put enough of them together without them phasing through things for us to, I guess, theoretically inject the photons of light into our body or shine light through us to kill it, the virus. So, yeah, those are some of Trump's lovely cures. Cures.

Christina: I thought those were amazing.

Jack: So, April, another particularly tame month that took place. It was kind of like February, where March was the giant spike in chaos. February, pretty tame. January was kind of chaotic. It began strong and then kind of came down for February, went way the f*** up for March, and then we get to April and we're back to just normal year, minus the fact that the virus was spreading like f****** wildfire that whole time. But at this point, we were dealing with it for A month globally.

Christina: We're bored of it.

Jack: We're bored of it already. We're getting used to. We're like, whatever.

Christina: Mm.

Jack: And so some people get chill and start to do things they were doing before the lockdowns happen. And the virus started spreading in those little pockets where people were like, I don't give a f***. And the spread got so vicious, eventually we ended up at 3 million infections coming from the previous month's 800,000.

Christina: And what's the jump from 8,000? I mean, 800,000 to 3 million.

Jack: That's roughly, what, like, four times over?

Christina: It's. It's going up there.

Jack: It's. We're climbing some heights. We're climbing some heights. But then we enter May. And May is relatively boring through the month. It's casual boring. We're just bouncing off of. We've got crazy numbers happening, virus wise. But other than that, the month goes relatively fine. Very quiet. Everybody's scared because of the virus. We're just learning how to function with it. And then the other shoe drops. It was May 25 when a black, unarmed man was put on the ground. And with the four officers present, one of them, their knee on this man's neck, he is left to die without being able to breathe. While caught on video, the death of George Floyd, which seemed like just another black guy being killed by a white officer, another unarmed black man being killed by another white officer, abusing power. But there were a couple of things that made this situation different than the others.

Christina: What was that?

Jack: We had three cops, aside from the guy who was leaning on him, visible. They were all present, doing absolutely nothing, saying nothing, while a man is saying he's dying. Other times, you have cops on top of the person, handcuffing them, putting them. No, this guy wasn't even being handcuffed. He was just being held on the ground.

Christina: He was just being murdered.

Jack: He was just being murdered. There was nothing else happening. It was being recorded from several different angles, so it could not be disputed. And the view of the victim was clear. It wasn't hard to see. They could just zoom in on the phone. The shot was perfect. And you can see a man die slowly. Very, very slowly, unarmed, for no reason.

Christina: But that was the last straw for.

Jack: But that was the straw that broke the camel's f****** back, bro. Yes, it piled on for the last 200 years.

Christina: That was it.

Jack: And that was the one that was like, one too many. Come the very next day, May 26, Minneapolis is stormed by so many g****** protesters. People were coming from Other states to protest.

Christina: Wow.

Jack: Minneapolis became crazy. It became the largest protesting site ever. Streets were flooded, hundreds of Thousands of people. May 27th. Contagious. Not only are we dealing with a contagious virus that seems to have gone on break towards the end of f****** May for whatever reason, but nationwide police brutality protests. Cities all over the country began to protest because of the same s*** that keeps happening.

Christina: And then the police solved these problems.

Jack: Yes.

Christina: By assaulting protesters 100%.

Jack: The police solved their police brutality problem or attempted to do so with police brutality. You guys think we're being vicious. We're gonna beat you with sticks, shoot you with rubber bullets, hit you with tear gas, and push you forcefully out of where we deem our control territory.

Christina: They proved them.

Jack: They proved the protesters wrong. This is America. But that didn't go too well. That solution to peaceful protesting where we're gonna basically assault you guys for exercising your right to protest, which is an amendment right. So they're basically having their amendments violated by having people, police officers, assault them. Come the 28th, those protests evolved into riots. Minneapolis is now classified a hostile territory because there is a literal war happening between protesters, of which some picked up arms and police officers. Now we have a country that's teetering on the brink of collapse.

Christina: Mm. This is just the last four days of May.

Jack: Yeah. This is. We're just still f****** ending this month now following this. Because we couldn't just end with the country on the verge of collapse over race war and the death. The increasing death based on a virus that's sweeping the country. But. But right around this time, Japan decided we're gonna release the Murder Hornets Attack America.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Which are fully trained bees the size of cars that fly in and eat all the other bees to steal their nests and replace Americans.

Christina: Replace where we get our honey. That's the end of honey. That's the end of our flowers. That's the end of a lot.

Jack: Maybe they make honey.

Christina: Are you sure about that? I thought that's why we don't want them.

Jack: I have no idea. I have no idea why we don't want them. Maybe it's because they're f****** the size of cards or some s***.

Christina: I thought it was because they could kill you in one sting.

Jack: Oh, yeah, probably.

Christina: And also they're killing our bees, which we need to pollinate. Yes. I think those are the two big problems with murder hornets.

Jack: Sure. It's not that they're just robot bees programmed like Black Mirror by the Japanese to come and replace American.

Christina: Why are they killing Japanese people?

Jack: Because they're controlled by Japanese people. The crooked Japanese robots. There's hackers out there too. You think Japan is free of hackers?

Christina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, yeah. So scientists launch a full scale hunt for the.

Christina: The hornets.

Jack: The hornets.

Christina: The hornets.

Jack: The hornets.

Christina: Yes. The horn nests.

Jack: Hello, Hornets nests. Then. Yeah, they were worried that they would definitely destroy all the bees and we'd be f***** forever. Anyways, to finish with a little bit of a cherry. The apocalypse is clearly looming. Society is on collapse. Civil war is on the edge. Plagues surrounding everything. For whatever reason, storms are f****** drowning half the world. And down by India and Nepal, a consistent storm, rain and showers and crap that keeps happening over there starts to flood their river, endangering thousands in both India and Nepal. Because this is America.

Christina: That's not America.

Jack: Fair enough. And we end that month having reached almost 6 million cases of the COVID virus. So it doubled, doubled, but it seems to be slowing down. We went. We multiplied by nine first, then by 10, then by four.

Christina: Oh, there's one more thing from Main though.

Jack: What?

Christina: On May 28th, US COVID 19 deaths past 100,000 mark.

Jack: Oh, interesting. So we have 6 million cases and a hundred thousand deaths, which is crazy. And then that's where we get to June. But we're gonna have to do June next time on Dragon Ball Z. No, we're gonna have to do June on the next episode because we are running out of time now.

Christina: Alright.

Jack: Yes. Cuz this year is epic as f***.

Christina: Yeah, it's been pretty epic and sad and very all over the place. It's been all over the place, man.

Jack: It has been. It has been very all over the place. S***'s crazy. But it is what it is. And luckily now we're living in the future. That's way in the past. We barely remember that.

Christina: Yeah, now we got hoverboards for our hoverboards.

Jack: Yeah, we got hoverboards for our hoverboards. My flying car is parked out back. And everything, you know, everything is evolved.

Christina: Which also has hoverboards.

Jack: Everything government is run entirely by black women. There's no white males at all in office anymore. It's all black women. So. Well, different world, man. Different world. That was a long time ago. Kids were born and went to college and have grown old. That came after that year, that horrid year.

Christina: So a few days they just aged.

Jack: Yeah, they've gone through. They've become experts in fields and everything.

Christina: Okay. They're the ones that changed all of our lives.

Jack: Yeah, we cleaned the planet and Everything all right. Fantastic. Anyways, if you guys like conversations of this nature, there are conversations which we touch a lot of the topics here because it's a year's review. So, you know.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: Skim through our episodes, I suppose, because.

Christina: We have great, great conspiracies. Great points.

Jack: Yes. There's so much going on and Covid is a big one.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, go catch up. Go find out what's going on.

Christina: Listen to every single episode of last year that we made. How many episodes are that?

Jack: It should be 52, because there's 52 weeks, minus the guest episode of every month. That would be 12. So there's 40 episodes.

Christina: Okay, so you're telling them to ignore.

Jack: The guest episodes if they're looking for content like this.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I mean, you can always, always go ahead and check out the guest episodes where I bring on an interesting creator or a scholar and we have conversations about stuff.

Christina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. If you want to find those other episodes and things of that nature, you can find them on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Christina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. USCombop.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate the show and if you feel so inclined, review.

Christina: It and let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is incredibly important. It's something that helps us a lot because it tells people about the show. So go tell people about the show. Run outside, aim at a stranger, be like, hey, you. Then be like, look, show. And then hold up like a sticker of ours or something that you made because we don't sell stickers and be like, hey, show. And they'll be like, cool, I'll check it out. And now you made a new friend.

Christina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Christina: Okay. Wrong.

Jack: I'm sure you weren't out there, like, this is gonna be. Be naughty.

Christina: What if the child little me was naughty Garden age five year old. The five year old me, I don't know. She was a super villain.

Jack: She was a super villain. You were just terrorizing people. That's crazy.

Christina: Yes. Were you a super villain too?

Jack: I wasn't.

Christina: What were you?

Jack: I don't know. I didn't exist in school.

Christina: Exist in school? Yeah.

Jack: There was no me in school. I phased into existence right before this podcast began.

Christina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, there's. There's so many problems with that, considering I was already a robot in the World War and I was then killed and a ghost. Well, no, I was a normal person. I was alive for 60 years, then died, then got remade with ghost robot technology. If I remember correctly, then that ghost robot was cloned three times, of which I am the third iteration. There's still a second one somewhere out there that didn't get murdered because we killed the wrong person who was supposed to be just me.

Christina: Yes. But it wasn't.

Jack: But it wasn't. And because I, for whatever reason, couldn't tell me apart from me. Or wait, was it me?

Christina: Yeah, there was a version of you that. It was you. There was. There was just two you's. Clones. The you you and the slower you. Because I think he was a clone of you.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. I'm the third clone. There was the original clone who was. Who began the show. He was just killed and replaced one day because talking. Yeah, that happened, if I remember correctly, between episode 211. And 212. No, it was actually both in episode 211 where the first half began with that Jack. He got killed and continued the clone on the second part of that episode with Dave.

Christina: That clone wasn't you.

Jack: No, I'm the third clone who came from the future to kill the past clone and failed. And. But now I'm in the place. But I didn't know that clone ran away. I'm the clone who failed at killing the other clone. Or I'm the one who got failed? No. Am I the second clone?

Christina: Yes, because the one that tried to kill you was a slow clone. He was like. I don't know. There was something. He was special because he was a copy of a copy.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Christina: That's why he confused you with your friend and he killed your friend instead.

Jack: I get it, I get it. I get it. Because I was cloned from the original the way that the first clone was cloned.

Christina: Yes.

Jack: We were both. I'm the second clone at this spot. But we were both. I'm just second in order. But not cloned from the clone. Yeah, the third clone was cloned from me.

Christina: Yes. Then he. He wanted to kill you to replace you.

Jack: Because failed.

Christina: Yes. And failed. And then I don't know what happened to him. He might be out there still.

Jack: Fantastic.

Christina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

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December 19, 2020

Rambling 113: Santa and Friends

December 19, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

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What’s the truth behind Christmas and Santa Claus? A Christmas Special unpacking Santa Claus and his known associates, in a Christmas Deep Dive filled with criminal syndicates and elaborate heists!

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With Christmas closing in, the clone duo have little time to act in their attempt to slow down the annual child trafficking wave that usually sweeps the Earth. One culprit comes to mind when wanting to investigate a global crime wave on Christmas Day… Saint Nicholas. A well known global traveler. But in digging deep into the history of this man and his corrupt past, the truth about this crime wave and how it’s done is more than either of our heroes could have ever seen coming. The people involved and the atrocious acts committed will be something they’ll never be able to forget. Find out what on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Santa Claus Demon Hunter
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Jack: Who is Santa Claus and are the stories about him true? Is he a magical man? Or is there more going on behind the true story of Santa Claus? Find out all that and more coming up on this episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to go find somebody and bring them in nice and close and force them. You always force them. That's our theme. We ask you to find somebody and make them listen to this show against their will.

Cristina: No, we don't.

Jack: I do.

Cristina: You do? Yes. The show where you force people to force people.

Jack: No, I force people to force people. Otherwise their children are in danger.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, yes. I forgot that part too.

Jack: Yes. That's how this goes. So make sure you get somebody to listen. It's a family friendly show. No, it's not.

Cristina: No, it's not.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: It doesn't matter because then they'll get amnesia.

Jack: Yeah, they get them. See, all of this work doesn't matter. Yeah, even the people who were kidnapped, they don't know were kidnapped.

Cristina: Yeah, they'll forget.

Jack: Yeah, all of it. It works itself out. It's kind of a solid plan. There's no victim here. Except the people who don't force other.

Cristina: People and the victim who end up at the hospital finding out that they're our enemy because they end up with cancer.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: So that's two people.

Jack: Only if, I guess only the ones that get cancer. But they were already our enemies. I guess it's really a tactical war move, if anything.

Cristina: Yes. One of those kids that get killed sadly by you. Christmas. You know what that day is for? Celebrating Jesus's birthday. No, it's not.

Jack: Nobody does that. No.

Cristina: It's Santa Claus's birthday.

Jack: Is it Saint Old Saint Nicholas, Old.

Cristina: Saint Nick and Santa Claus are two different people.

Jack: Who's Santa Claus?

Cristina: He's a fictional version of St. Nicholas. But St. Nicholas is a man. You met him. He was a man. Yeah, I met him.

Jack: That's cool.

Cristina: Yeah. He was telling me that he hunts demons. Did you know that? He's a demon hunter.

Jack: I mean, he was a saint and weren't they demon hunters. Thus exorcisms, I guess.

Cristina: But he found demons. I didn't know about that.

Jack: Are the elves enslaved demons?

Cristina: Huh? I don't know. I don't. We gotta look up what elves are. Really? Because they're. They're some type of creature.

Jack: Like what's happening up there, man?

Cristina: With the elves and the reindeers and.

Jack: Talking like snowmen and things. There's. There's weird s*** going on. He lives with like monsters.

Cristina: He's a demon hunter, like I was saying. And I learned about few of his stories from him. Do you know any of his demon hunting stories?

Jack: No. This is the first time I ever heard about it. I always suspected there was something weird and off about a bunch of elves and that they serve this guy. But he's not like God. Unless he is some sort of demigod, which was also a theory as well. He might have been some sort of demigod this entire time.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe all the saints are demigods now.

Jack: Interesting. I actually was thinking Santa Claus this whole time. You were talking St. Nick.

Cristina: Yeah, St. Nick. Because he's the real magic man. Santa is just a fictional cartoon.

Jack: Fair enough. Okay, so tell me about his demon hunting.

Cristina: Okay, okay. One time he banished a demon from a tree by threatening it with an axe.

Jack: Man, we stumble on this all the time where it's just like a guy doing normal person killing things. There's nothing. There's nothing demon killy about an axe. It's just like how you'd kill a person.

Cristina: Oh yeah. Yes. Or maybe he was actually planning on chopping that tree, but someone saw it and was like, no, he's not just chopping down that tree.

Jack: There must be a demon in there.

Cristina: Gotta be a demon in there. Yes.

Jack: Or maybe there was a guy inside on the tree. There was a guy on the tree and he's like, I'm gonna knock this tree down. Get down. And then.

Cristina: It was a leprechaun.

Jack: It was a leprechaun in the tree?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: I don't know. No. Oh, well, maybe that's how he got the elves. He made a deal with the leprechaun.

Jack: What?

Cristina: He. Our elves and leprechauns from the same place?

Jack: I think you're being. I think that's racism what you just did right there.

Cristina: But they're from the same place.

Jack: Oopsie. Did I just do a racist? Like Peter? Like Peter did. Oopsie. Did I just do a racism.

Cristina: Irish creatures though, for sure. No, maybe not elves.

Jack: Why would an elf be a con?

Cristina: Not Be an.

Jack: You're just. Here's. Here's. Look, here's where it's f****** up the name we give. What's in the north is elf. But that's wrong because elves are usually taller than people.

Cristina: Elves are usually.

Jack: Elvens are way taller than people. On average. They're not shorter.

Cristina: Elvens are something else. I don't know what Elvens are. There are elves.

Jack: No, those are elves.

Cristina: So there's two names for this creature.

Jack: No, you Elven people are elves.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And whatever the f*** is up there is closer to a leprechaun than it is to an elf. It's not an elf. It's not associated with an elf. It doesn't have weird pointy ears. It doesn't have white hair. It's not tall. The only thing it shares in common, it's magic.

Cristina: And if that's magical, at least.

Jack: Yes. And if that's the argument here, then that's to say that leprechauns are just. I mean, elves are just midgets. They're not. They're not like a race of tiny people. They're midgets because it's like the difference between a tall human and a short human. Because if they're all just elves. Santa Claus is hoarded all the tiny elves. Yeah, and made a workshop. He enslaved a bunch of tiny elves.

Cristina: Well, they happily serve him.

Jack: What winner of a war said we enslaved people?

Cristina: Ah, yes. Are they demons, though? Because he would enslave demons.

Jack: Owls aren't demons. Elves are magical creatures.

Cristina: Oh, well, maybe he's like a Sam and Dean demon hunting, where they're killing more than just demonstration. And Santa's doing the same thing. He's dealing with magical creatures.

Jack: Why doesn't he commit suicide?

Cristina: Santa?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I mean, Saint Nick, I guess. Why? Why would he want to do that?

Jack: Isn't the goal kill magical creatures because he's a human?

Cristina: He's a human.

Jack: It says who isn't it?

Cristina: Kill magic powers that were given to him by God.

Jack: Is that the case here?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All saints are using the power that they're killing.

Cristina: That they're killing.

Jack: They hunt things with powers, not just demons. Yes, things with magical abilities.

Cristina: Because they're not God's creatures.

Jack: Maybe wasn't God. Wasn't. Weren't vampires God's creatures?

Cristina: No. That's what you get if you don't believe in him.

Jack: I thought people got punished and turned into vampires.

Cristina: Yes, that too.

Jack: By God.

Cristina: By God himself. No, I think it's by the church.

Jack: So you Tell me. The church has power independent of God?

Cristina: Yes. Well, they were given to, I guess. Yes. Okay. They were given to the powers by God to turn people into demons and then have the power to kill those demons that they turned them into.

Jack: Sounds right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Seems legit.

Cristina: It's a very confusing story, but it's the truth. So I wonder, then that business of exorcism, then.

Jack: It's a setup.

Cristina: Yeah. They have the power.

Jack: It's a setup.

Cristina: Give people demons in them and then they could just take them out because they have that power too. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yep. We uncovered it. It was a setup.

Cristina: Did you know that? What?

Jack: I just figured it out right now with you.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. Now we know he also resurrected a boy who was strangled by a demon.

Jack: Which he hired a demon.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And then they. He made the demon, then they hired him to get rid of that demon. I see a pattern here.

Cristina: Yeah, and he also outsmarted a demon in a wager.

Jack: I feel like he told me that before. Didn't St. Nick do something like that?

Cristina: He is St. Nick.

Jack: I mean, not St. Nick.

Cristina: St. Patrick.

Jack: St. Patrick. Didn't he do something like that? That also made him a saint.

Cristina: I don't know who. Probably. He has crazy stories too, so.

Jack: He has the craziest stories. That's the one saint to beat God.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, but this guy outsmarted a demon through a wager, and then that demon became his servant.

Jack: Maybe also known as an elf or.

Cristina: Yes, elf. Or one of those many other things that follow him around. Like Krampus.

Jack: Krumpus doesn't follow him around, does it?

Cristina: Well, he works with him, sort of.

Jack: But that's like the devil. That's assuming that St. Nick is kind of like Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, but it looks like a hairy monster, like a demon.

Jack: Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: It's demon. Like, maybe he beat him in a wager and he was like, hey, now you gotta help me take care of children, man.

Jack: It is kind of a thing. It's like, I already make demons to kill people. Now Imma make you. I beat you. Your job. The children specifically.

Cristina: Yep. You gotta beat those children.

Jack: And he kills them, Right? He kills the children. That's what Krampus does.

Cristina: I know. There's another of St. Nick's companions. I guess his name is servant Rupert. And he's a man with a long beard and a furry coat. And sometimes he has. He has a bag of ashes with him for some reason. I guess that's to give the bad kids. But sometimes he kidnaps the kids, the bad kids and takes them home with him to eat them later or he throws them into a river.

Jack: So yeah, we're talking about Jesus here. He's hanging out with a bunch of killers and like thieves and s***.

Cristina: Yeah, this is his other one. He's kind of like, I guess Krumpus. Krumpus does similar things to that. I know we talked about Krampus last year, but I totally forgot much about him.

Jack: I think he murdered children. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. He murdered children. Well, this guy too, because he has a lot of. There's like equally good and bad servants, I guess, if you want to call them that. Slaves, whatever. And last time you were talking about kids who were turned into pickles or some weird story. I finally figured that out that St.

Jack: Nick in the barrels where he pickled the children and thus he got.

Cristina: Kids were already being pickled to be sold for as meat because there was a famine. So the butcher wanted to sell them as meat. As I guess non children meat, you know. But Nick found out what he was doing somehow. I guess he knew that barrel was not filled with regular meat and he turned those children alive. Those pickled children.

Jack: And then he ate them. He's like, I won't eat them. Pickled eats them alive.

Cristina: No, he saved those children. And that's how he became the patron of children, maybe. Or one of the many stories. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So he got his powers by pickling. Got you.

Cristina: He did. I guess he had nothing to do with pickling those children. They were already pickled.

Jack: Well, it's weird because it looked like he was just traveling with kids in barrels or something in the painting that they made. Because the painting was just misguided. It was about a moment and then it got so many iterations that eventually it just became him standing in front of kids inside of barrels.

Cristina: Yeah. Actually that's one of the interesting things I learned about was that. Yeah, people don't really know what he did in his life. So they look at that picture or pictures of him like that and they have no idea what's going on. Some of them think he's a.

Jack: A child pickler.

Cristina: A child pickler. I don't think that's one of them. They. Because they didn't know much about him. He became a patron of so many things. So many random things besides children. He was. He's a patron for coopers, which are barrel makers. Like people who make barrels see him as their saint, I guess.

Jack: The saint of barrels.

Cristina: Yes, barrow makers. The saint of barrel makers. He's Also was a. I think the first one that. Or the most important saint that he was before children was of sailors and fishermen and stuff because of a story that he calmed the storms of. I don't know. On. He calmed the storm in sea for fishermen, for merchants. Yeah. It saved some fishermen. I mean it saved the sailors lives. And they all worshiped him pretty much for that.

Jack: That is weird.

Cristina: Yeah. And they all pray for him and stuff. And on. There's. When they celebrate his life. They celebrate it on December 6, before actual Christmas day, which I think they still had two on that day in December 6th, when they go. They go to church for him and then they go to a festival and buy presents for their children and they give it to their children. And then people end up thinking, oh, he's for children because of that event that just became a thing that people did.

Jack: That makes sense. So basically all the random things surrounding him decided that he's the saint of that thing.

Cristina: Yes, yes. He also saved three soldiers from being executed because I guess they didn't do the crime, but they wanted to kill somebody for the crime and he stopped them.

Jack: Ah, typical politics. Somebody must be punished, sir. But we don't have who did it. Doesn't matter. You see that guy over there? He doesn't look like anybody would care about him. Kill him.

Cristina: What? They were soldiers, though I'm sure they had family.

Jack: Right. Because soldiers today are treated so well. This is back then in barbarian times.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Before the invention of the control remote, the standard for human advancement.

Cristina: Yes, the remote control. The greatest creation. That. In the microwave, I guess.

Jack: And sliced bread as well.

Cristina: Oh. What? Another thing he was known for was after his parents died, he gave away their wealth to the poor. He gave random people, I guess they left their shoes outside and he would throw gold in the shoes. That also became a tradition for kids.

Jack: To throw gold in their shoes.

Cristina: Yeah, Getting like presents in their shoes. Or the stockings thing. Maybe that came from that as well.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. He was a secret gift giver and he liked putting coins in people's shoes if they left them out. I don't. I don't know how it was back.

Jack: Then, but maybe it's like the oriental cultures where they tend to leave their shoes either at a shoe rack or outside of the door.

Cristina: Okay. The last one is he rescued three girls from prostitution. You've heard of that story? We talked a little bit about that. I'm not sure.

Jack: Rescued them by.

Cristina: He didn't really rescue them, but he gave them money. The money that they need to Marry to get a nice husband.

Jack: I guess they were gonna buy their husbands.

Cristina: I guess that's how it worked. I'm not sure. I'm not sure how dowries work. We don't have that nowadays, but I think so it's either you get married or prostitution were the only options for these women.

Jack: Because working was not allowed.

Cristina: Yes, exactly. Women probably couldn't work. So you either get married or you go into prostitution. And I guess they needed to bribe these men to marry them. But he helped them out, so. And I think that's why he's also the patron of whores, of hookers, unmarried people, of streetwalkers. Of street walkers.

Jack: The saint of streetwalkers.

Cristina: No, of unmarried people. He's. He's got a bunch of weird things. Oh, and of brewers, which I guess has to do with that barrel. And people not sure. What is that barrel about?

Jack: Man Satanic loves his child. Based alcohol.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Because they didn't know about the whole prostitution dowry story. Sometimes they. When they had pictures of him, it would have like three golden balls and it would represent the, I guess, bag of gold. Or coins. Maybe Those are coins. People saw them as oranges. So in the medieval times, they thought he was from Spain and he would visit them to bring them oranges.

Jack: Ah, yes. When merchants are struggling to bring you produce and fruit.

Cristina: And guess what? He's also a patron of merchants.

Jack: Because oranges.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: And beer, apparently.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: St. Nick is coming. Children, you guys are gonna get some yummy oranges and dad's gonna get f****** ripped.

Cristina: Yes, that's pretty much. Yeah. The only one that I don't really know is archers and pharmacists. Why?

Jack: Because the barrels could have also had medicine.

Cristina: Oh, and archers.

Jack: I guess archers were also shoved into the barrels. No, I mean, there were kids in the barrels. Why couldn't you chop up and like, pickle the remains of an archer?

Cristina: I guess so they're like just making up what was in that barrel.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And pawnbrokers.

Jack: They were also in the barrels.

Cristina: They were also in the barrels.

Jack: It's about the barrels.

Cristina: It's all about the barrels.

Jack: He's the saint of barrels in one way or another.

Cristina: Okay. Do you remember how people become saints?

Jack: They do miracles. And then a group of hobos inside of the church decide he is a miracle doer in the name of God or something. And they must be really old or dead.

Cristina: Dead. They have to be dead for sure. Yeah, that's step one, be dead, be dead.

Jack: Okay, Step one, be dead, be dead.

Cristina: You gotta Wait at least five years.

Jack: After death and wait, the guy who cheated the system was Saint Nick?

Cristina: I don't think he cheated the system. I don't know.

Jack: There was one. It was either St Nick or Mr. Rogers who was a saint ahead of time.

Cristina: No, he's not a saint. I don't think he's a saint.

Jack: Are you positive the saint.

Cristina: There was some saints that become saints before, like right after death because they, they got martyred, they call it, which is they. They were killed. Someone killed them. So they get to rush past the five year thing.

Jack: So this is to say if somebody has done a couple of miracles and then I murder him.

Cristina: They don't have to do miracles. The miracles they do in real life are not part of this.

Jack: I thought that was part of the rubric.

Cristina: No, there are miracles involved. They have nothing to do with the ones that you do while alive.

Jack: You specifically said in the previous Christmas episode that miracles were part of becoming a saint.

Cristina: Yes, yes, but not while you're alive.

Jack: How do you do miracles while dead?

Cristina: People have to pray to you.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: And then a miracle happens and then it counts.

Jack: So you have to be worshipped before you're a saint. People just have to hold you as a false God. And then the church is like, I guess he's false God enough. Now let's legitimize his godliness.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the church makes gods. Gods don't make the church except for.

Cristina: The one main God who gives them the powers.

Jack: Does he though?

Cristina: Yes, he.

Jack: Are we sure they didn't like, then again force this guy and he's like in the basement of the church being in prison and they're sucking his power out to use it?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: I don't know, like God is, Is that what's in the freaking the Vatican slot down or whatever the h*** wherever they keep in, like, you know, the holy things that are like, for. They got it closed down like Fort Knox. And what's really down there is both Jesus and God imprisoned.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: While they're being milked for their infinite power.

Cristina: But then how are all these people before their death doing miracles?

Jack: Before whose deaths?

Cristina: Their deaths.

Jack: Oh, they're praying to God. Yeah, but God, his energy is inside of like a bottle in the church and there's some sort of genie guy using that energy. And like I hear prayers for God, but I've got you imprisoned.

Cristina: God, like Saint Nick, he was, he was using something that had the powers from the church.

Jack: Yeah, Church has the power from God. And when you pray to God, you're Really being received by the church antenna of power. And then they're like, send some, distribute some energy to that praying soul.

Cristina: Okay, whoa, that is disturbing. So step one, death. Or way after death.

Jack: Maybe that was actually why it was important to kill Jesus in the first place.

Cristina: For his powers to.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, kill him for his powers. He's more like a man. Other God. Man is other God dead. Did the church kill God to use his powers? To use his powers?

Cristina: No, but he wouldn't have, like. Did he have a physical body? Like, how do you capture.

Jack: Let's look at it like this. Jesus happens. Yes, Jesus killed. We don't have wrathful God anymore. Was that literally God? Did the church literally kill him and just like take his corpse down in a hole somewhere and just. Just milking the energy that's leaking out? Oh yeah, let's put him in a container and melt away that leak. That infinitely leaking energy.

Cristina: Possibly. Because from learning about all these saints, there's a lot of creepy things. Like some of their bodies are perfectly fine way later after their death. Like they don't die. The bodies don't die.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Yes, they're just sleeping bodies. Like nothing is happening to their body.

Jack: Yeah, it's really weird. I've seen some of that before. Like they somehow don't decay or anything.

Cristina: Yeah, there's like one lady, or I think it's a lady saint, I don't know, is in display in a church.

Jack: That's nuts.

Cristina: That's nuts. What's going on here? Is it church related?

Jack: Maybe. Maybe they're just sending Jesus power. Maybe that person is just hibernating until they wake up. A vampire.

Cristina: What if they are vampires? Then do you just gotta pretend to be sleeping?

Jack: No, that person's recovering because they died. Allegedly. So they sleep for centuries at a time.

Cristina: That is so crazy. So you knew about that? That's weird, right?

Jack: Yeah, I've heard about that before.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay, so step two of becoming a saint is to become a servant of God. Of course, I'm not sure if that's also part of after your death, because I'm pretty sure before you're dead, you're supposed to have converted into Christianity if you weren't already a Christian or born Christian or whatever.

Jack: Do you have to be Catholic?

Cristina: You have to be Catholic. Oh my God.

Jack: Or is it like any form of Christianity floats? Like it could be a Pentecostal, I don't know, Is it the Catholic Church that's doing all this? Yes, because let's look at this Jesus shows up, right? Some people in the Jewish church decide kill Jesus. Then evil God disappears. And we have people who can make miracles happen, chosen by the now Christian church. They change that group of people with the power of God at their hands. Even said 100 years later, we're not even Jews, we're Christian. We're this new thing. We believe and use the power of Christ. And if you want the power of Christ in you, you gotta join the church.

Cristina: Because they actually have the power of Christ.

Jack: They actually have the power of Christ. Maybe Christ is the vessel that directly takes in like we gotta look at it like this, right? Christ was the human form, but he's still God. He's still connected to God. And you killed Christ and you imprisoned Christ. God can't do anything, it's him. Yeah, and you just keep siphoning. God is still alive, but Jesus, God is dead. But his body also won't wither away. It's always going to be trying to come back, slowly draining. Infinite God, but he's infinite. So you just are the other person with God's power, other than God himself. Except God made a one way power direction into Jesus. And because you don't let Jesus come back to life, God can't like reverse the process.

Cristina: How do you stop them from coming back to life? Do they have a stake in his heart?

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe they have the same for the saints. Because the saints, even after death do some really strange things like, like there was, there's a blood, a veil of one of the saints blood and it, they say it's dry but every around his birthday or death or something, it turns into liquid.

Jack: Who says that?

Cristina: The church says that. I think.

Jack: Is that like the floating rock somewhere in Israel or whatever?

Cristina: It's a cathedral in Naples.

Jack: So yeah, of course the church would say that.

Cristina: Of course. I wonder if they show it off though. Like look at it today, it's dry. Look at it today now. Oh look, it's liquidy.

Jack: I bet, I bet the church has a bunch of weird tricks like that that it uses to brainwash people.

Cristina: Where are they getting the. I mean, I guess they can get the blood from anything.

Jack: Hard to get blood.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, they just a rooster outback or something. But yeah, there's weird things like that. There's St. Viviana who, her parents died and her sister tried to force her into prostitution, but she refused to. And then they imprisoned her in a madhouse and then beat her to death. But when she passed away, they built a church on her grave. And in the church, they had a garden, and the garden grows herbs that cures headaches and epilepsy, but it doesn't cure prostitution. Maybe like no one has. Like, maybe none of them had the thought beforehand. Maybe you got to go there thinking like, should I go prostitute? And then you eat the herb and you're like, nah, I'm cured.

Jack: I now have money. I don't need to prostitute. Thank you. Fruit?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or herb.

Cristina: Thank you. Herb. Yeah. Mm. So there's a lot of strange things. Step 3 Show proofs of a life of heroic virtue, which I guess is like St. Nick donating all his parents money to the poor. That was pretty heroic, I think. Maybe, I don't know.

Jack: Now can I walk into a town that I've never been at before? And then when somebody talks to me, I'm like, oh yeah, man, I got just done dedicating my life to helping other people and doing only but good. Flash back to what my life was really like. I burned entire towns and slaughtered families everywhere, raping and killing everybody I ever saw. But then I made it to this town, I'm like done with it. And then I'm in that town, I'm like, nah, I've always done good things. And there happens to be Catholics. Do they still, like, they're just going on my word at that point?

Cristina: No, they have to investigate.

Jack: How would they find it? How long ago are we talking?

Cristina: I don't know. It just says that they investigate the person's life and the writings for evidence of what they're looking for.

Jack: So if I got no proof, then I can't be a saint.

Cristina: Yeah, like you got to have that horrible life killing people, but then you really did change your life around and help people. You might become a saint, who knows?

Jack: But I didn't become a good person.

Cristina: No, no, no, I know, like you can't, you can't if you didn't. If you're just lying to them. But if a person did kill a bunch of people but then changed their life around and was only good, they could possibly become a saint.

Jack: That makes sense. Seems legit.

Cristina: Yes, that's. And then step four is a miracle that happens after you pray to this person that's wanna be a saint. The Saint Nick, Whatever.

Jack: So dear Saint Nick, bring me presents or children inside barrels.

Cristina: Yes. And then he gives it to you, and then that's proof that that person is already in heaven, man.

Jack: Okay, okay. So people prayed to St. Nick and their prayers came true, but he was considered the saint of children in barrels, essentially.

Cristina: Children. Barrels are a separate thing. It's not children in barrels. It's children and barrels.

Jack: But the combo is the only way he gets his power. No, out children being exclusively put in a barrel. He's powerless.

Cristina: No, it's separate. It's totally separate. And then the final thing to become a saint is just to have another miracle.

Jack: So two miracles?

Cristina: Yes. One is to prove that you're in heaven, and the second is to prove that you're holy.

Jack: The one that proves you're in heaven doesn't prove you're holy. Is this to say you can be.

Cristina: Or I guess that you're already holy. That you're. I don't know. I don't know. Okay, I guess it's both the same, right? I don't know. Okay, whatever. Two miracles after your death. It's not that crazy of steps. Maybe one day you will do this after your death. Who knows? What if someone tries to make you a saint? That'd be crazy.

Jack: That'd be awesome. Super epic. I want a bunch of worshipers.

Cristina: But you have to actually dedicate your life to Christianity eventually in your life.

Jack: No, I'm gonna cheat the system. I'll make it work. I'm gonna get that guy who made Heisenberg the fake paperwork, make him make me a bunch of fake religious paperwork.

Cristina: How is that gonna work out? They're gonna find out they got the money. You have investigators.

Jack: I have the queen on my side.

Cristina: No, you don't. She is one of their investigators.

Jack: What, the queen couldn't investigate.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: She's busy running the world.

Cristina: And that's part of the world that she runs. She investigates saints.

Jack: No, she doesn't. She appoints them.

Cristina: She appoints them. What does that mean?

Jack: She's like, you're a saint now.

Cristina: She points at them.

Jack: Yeah, she says, you're a saint now. You're a saint now you're the Pope. Now. You're a saint, now you're a priest.

Cristina: I think we talked about this in the werewolf episode, but there's a saint for the fear of werewolves.

Jack: Now you pray to him to get the fear of werewolves away, or you get the werewolves away. He's like, I'm scared of werewolves. I can. I can work with that Here. Now you're not afraid of werewolves. But it's like, do you see anti werewolf. There are werewolves outside my door. What do I do? Well, I can take your fear of dying by werewolves away. If that. Like, I could do that part.

Cristina: I don't know. Yes. St. Herbert, the werewolf protector, can you.

Jack: Get rid of the werewolves. No. I can stop you from being scared of the way you're about to die.

Cristina: Yes. Then there's also St. Patrick. I don't know if he has anything to do with being. Praying for him for werewolves, but I just remember that we talked already about one of these stories. But there's two stories involving werewolves. Which one was St. Patrick's turn a king into a werewolf as some type of punishment.

Jack: Seems legit.

Cristina: And then also he turned a tribe into werewolves. Every seven years, they have to be a werewolf, and then seven years they're normal. And then back to werewolf to normal every seven years.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Oh, no. They had a disagreement.

Jack: Man, he. He really did abuse the power of God. But God wasn't gonna do anything because he would just stand up and be like, God, don't make me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And God would be like, no, no, I'm good. I'll do it.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. He's. He. He can do whatever. I guess he runs this world.

Jack: Yeah. He has that free ticket. He has to be immortal. God is like, sure, yeah.

Cristina: So crazy. Then there's Saint Gills. He is the saint of the fear of breastfeeding. He was a hermit living in a cave, and he kept himself alive for several years drinking milk from a deer.

Jack: I thought that was going to go a whole other direction. I thought he was in a cave. He was in a cave with a female. And he's like, look, we have to stop you from losing that milk because I'm going to die.

Cristina: Nope, Nope. But if you have. You're in a life or death situation, and your only way to live is to drink some breast milk from an animal. You can pray to him. If you're having trouble doing it, you.

Jack: Can pray to get that. That deer lactating.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, my gosh. Well, yes, there's that.

Jack: Fantastic.

Cristina: Well, there's. He's not the only amazing.

Jack: But like, wait, could a mom who's struggling to breastfeed her baby pray to him?

Cristina: Yeah, probably. It says fear of breastfeeding.

Jack: Oh, wait, it's the fear of breastfeeding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're so specific. Why couldn't he just be the saint of breastfeeding? So he deals with every part of breastfeeding?

Cristina: I think he does deal. It's probably breastfeeding. But you don't want to just say breastfeeding. So maybe fear of breastfeeding makes it sound better. I don't know.

Jack: I think it's just for people who are scared of breastfeeding. Now you're less scared about breastfeeding? Yeah, that's it.

Cristina: I don't know. Then there's St. Arnath, who's the saint of beer.

Jack: No, that's wrong.

Cristina: He's the saint of beer.

Jack: He's not.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Because St. Nick is the saint of beer.

Cristina: They're both. But this guy, he actually. I don't know, he didn't really do anything. He gave people beer when they had a. They had a long journey and they needed beer, and he gave them beer.

Jack: Nobody's ever needed beer. They wanted beer. They really wanted beer.

Cristina: They have survived without the beer. They're gonna die.

Jack: I feel like a larger number of them died because beer would dehydrate them way sooner.

Cristina: Well, they feel like he saved their life with his beer. Maybe his beer was of magic. Magic beer that kept them alive through the long journey.

Jack: So St. Nick can't be the saint of beer because this one time a different saint killed a bunch of people with beer.

Cristina: They're both the saints of beer. Wait, did we say.

Jack: No, St. Nick is the saint of children in barrels.

Cristina: In barrels and barrels in barrels. And. And he's saying, oh, brewers, not beer. The people who make the beer. It's totally different.

Jack: So that's to say that saints aren't the saint of all things related to the subject.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Like, you don't pay pray to St. Nick when you want beer. You only pay to St. Nick when you want the beer harvest to go well.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Or the people who make the beer to be fine.

Cristina: Do it right. Oh, yes.

Jack: Or to do it right.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: But if you're like, man, if I only had a beer, I pray to this guy.

Cristina: To Saint Arnuff. Yeah, maybe. I don't know. Then there's Saint Farce, who's the saint of people with STDs.

Jack: The AIDS pandemic of the 80s when the government was driving around in bed handing people aids. The guy who was driving the truck.

Cristina: He had a magic spade to cut down trees. And then the place that he cut down the trees became his property.

Jack: And then he got AIDS on his property.

Cristina: No. And then he made a hospice, and he cured people by touching them inappropriately, Maybe. Except for women, because women were banned.

Jack: So he would jerk guys off, they would leave. Like, I feel better, I guess.

Cristina: He could heal blindness, leprosy, tumors, all by touch, including venereal diseases.

Jack: So he would jerk people into. He would jerk people healthy.

Cristina: He would jerk people healthy. I don't know. He was just touching them.

Jack: No women. I don't want my fingers up in anything. I want tight grips. And you will feel better.

Cristina: And they did.

Jack: And they did. He wasn't wrong. He was intuitive. Yeah. And they're like, I see the demons.

Cristina: Coming out, but why not women? Like, would his magic not work for women?

Jack: Why would he want to touch a woman? He clearly has a proclivity towards penises.

Cristina: Did God tell him to do that, though? Or he decided he dedicated his life.

Jack: To God and then jerk guys off? What's hard to understand?

Cristina: Okay, okay. Rupert walks with a limp because of a childhood injury. And his clothes is dirty and his face is dirty because he collects soot from the chimney when he comes down it. I guess he comes down in person. Then Santa Claus, I'm not sure. Like, he makes it clean. And then Santa comes down so he can look all pretty and red.

Jack: I think he just uses his chimney to kidnap children and by default cleans it.

Cristina: Not intentionally, but St. Nick is fine. He has to come down there. Like him, right? I don't know.

Jack: Does he magically come through?

Cristina: It depends on the story, I guess. There's two things that they do. Either they ask the children if they know their prayers, and if they do, they get rewarded. If they don't, they get punished. There's also a talent show that they might have to do, which if they perform well at dancing or singing, they get a present. If not, they get tortured.

Jack: That's f*****.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. But, like, that's better than being me and alive.

Jack: But it's like, what if you're an untalented kid but a great person? Too bad you die today.

Cristina: Yes. That's pretty much like either you had you were bad throughout the year, you performed badly in your dance, or you don't know your prayers, you're being punished.

Jack: Sounds about right. Sounds old testimony then.

Cristina: In Germany, St Nicholas has a partner named Bels Nickel. He is a man who wears fur which covers his entire body. But he's not an animal. He's just a person wearing fur. Entirely. I don't know. And sometimes he wears a mask with a long tongue. It sounds like a man dressed like a demon. I don't know. Instead of saying, he's a demon, he's just a man who dresses up like a monster, and he's the one that gives them coal if they're bad. I guess that's all he does. He's not as awesome as the other guy. He just dresses up in a furry coat and a weird mask. Also, there's another of St. Nicholas's companions servants. It's called Black Pete.

Jack: Was Black Pete a black guy?

Cristina: Yes. Yes, he was. How they like to portray him is a person wearing blackface, wearing exaggerating red lipstick and having a nappy wig with colorful clothing and golden earrings.

Jack: Is that how he's portrayed? Or is he actually just a white guy that lives as a black guy and hangs out with St. Nick?

Cristina: I'm not sure. It could be either or I don't think.

Jack: Is Santa just hanging out with a dude in permanent blackface?

Cristina: He might be, yeah. So his servant, Black Pete, what does he do? Oh, he also abuses the bad kids. Or he used to. He used to abuse them, but in recently they garrided the punishments and now he's become a friendly character.

Jack: He's PC now?

Cristina: Yeah, he's PC. And also people can't dress up as him anymore.

Jack: Black people can.

Cristina: I don't know, but that's. And the Christmas elves that we talked a bit about. Do I know anything about the Christmas elves? I can't remember. They come from Norse mythology and they're referred to as hidden folks because. I don't know, they like to hide. They're the guys that steal your socks, maybe. Are those elves?

Jack: I don't know. I think so.

Cristina: Oh, maybe.

Jack: No, I think those are leprechauns, actually. No, something like that.

Cristina: Wasn't it gnomes? People are really concerned about these elves, though.

Jack: So North Pole gnome. North Pole elves, leprechauns and gnomes are all kind of the same.

Cristina: They're all magical, tiny people.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: That Sansa was somehow able to enslave through a gamble with demons. In the medieval times, elves are seen as wicked and often linked with demons.

Jack: How connected with demons?

Cristina: I don't know. They're just often linked with demons. So demons gave Santa those elves? I think that makes sense. Elves are demons or those elves are demons. Yes. Also, there's a Christmas goat that Santa replaced in some country before St. Nicholas in Sweden. The. The Christmas. I guess the gift giver was the. Was given by a yol goat, which. Yol is another word for Christmas, I think.

Jack: Yole goat.

Cristina: The yole goat. Yes, the Christmas goat. So the Christmas goat is a pagan thing. Sometimes it's a man that has been turned into a goat man, but I like to imagine it as just a goat. The Christmas goat. In Finland, people still dress up as goats.

Jack: Fair enough. That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah. He usually wears a warm red robe and a walking stick and travels in a sleigh pulled by a reindeer. But it doesn't fly. That reindeer doesn't fly. It's a real reindeer.

Jack: The goat isn't an animal like the reindeer, but rather the steerer of the sled that's connected to reindeer. Yes, he's a goat man.

Cristina: He's a goatman. But he's a Christmas. He could be a goat. He's just a really big. He's a were goat. He's a were goat. He's thought to be an ugly creature and he frightens children while some think of him as an invisible creature. What? No, he's a goat. It's just a goat. He's not an ugly creature. He's a goat looking creature. His goats aren't ugly. Goats are not ugly.

Jack: Yeah, they are.

Cristina: They are beautiful creatures. I think they're beautiful. So most people think Santa Claus is a combination of St. Nicholas and this Christmas goat because this Christmas goat was also giving gifts during the same time of year.

Jack: So people are assuming the St. Nicholas and this goat stories got merged and the Santa came to be.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Oh, yeah. Like the sleigh with the reindeer is the same as this. This goat.

Jack: So St. Nick did fusion, but instead of becoming a perfect, singular individual the size of one person, he got fat because he literally became the size of two people.

Cristina: Yes, he became the size of two.

Jack: People the size of a man with a goat.

Cristina: And the Christmas goat receives over 500,000 letters from over 200 countries every year. Most of the letters are from China, Poland and Italy. Wonder how they heard about the Christmas goat.

Jack: The Chinese believe in a Christmas goat.

Cristina: Yes, because reindeers come from Finland. So the Christmas goat must be more real than the Santa Claus if you go by reindeer. Where does Santa Claus live again? The North Pole. Are there deers there? Is that a fictional place?

Jack: The North Pole? There's not life there, I think.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. So there you go. Oh, yeah. And also, Santa Claus has a bunch of reindeers. I don't know if you know their names. I don't know where they came from. I guess it was from a catchy poem or song or something. And then everyone just fell in love with these reindeers.

Jack: What?

Cristina: The Santa Claus reindeers? I don't remember where they came from. All of their. His deers. There were eight. Now there's nine. I mean, now there's probably more than nine because they had children by now.

Jack: But he only keeps the originals enslaved.

Cristina: Ah, then there's Santa Claus, which is also a figure based on St Nicholas, which is also probably where we get Christmas Santa Claus from as well.

Jack: What does he do what's his deal?

Cristina: He's. For some reason, he's celebrated on the Same Day as St Nicholas. He's depicted as an elderly man with white hair and a full long beard, and he rides a white horse. He carries a big red book which records whether each kid has been naughty or nice in the past year.

Jack: So there might be a group of people that work to create the illusion of Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, it's a team effort. It's not one dude. It's planning and Monday.com.

Cristina: Yes. There's like four main dudes, a bunch of different helpers, some horses, some reindeers.

Jack: They got transport. They got like planned out ice so that people could get in and out of houses. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. I'm a slide down the chimney. There's gonna be a tree to the left. You gotta disable the laser alarm system.

Cristina: Which one of them does that? The goat.

Jack: The one who cleans the chimney. Which one clean?

Cristina: Oh, servant Rupert.

Jack: So Rupert's gonna clean the chimney on his way down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's gonna cut the wires on the alarm system.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then Santa Claus is gonna follow behind while Rupert keeps everybody distracted. Well, the other guys are in the microphone and the goat is waiting. He's the getaway driver. He's in the sled on. He's on the sled on top of the house waiting for Santa Claus and Rupert to get back so they can dart.

Cristina: All right, and what is Belsnickel doing?

Jack: Who the f*** is Belsnickel?

Cristina: He's the man in the furry wearing fur.

Jack: Oh, the one who eats the children?

Cristina: No, he's not the one that eats the children. The one that eats the children is servant Rupert.

Jack: Because that's what. That's what's happening here. Dudes going in, kidnapping kids. There. Some of the kids are in the bag. So they leave gifts. They kidnap children. Yes, Kids are in the bag. Off to the next place they keep. They got a cage, I guess, or something so they can take the trade off. Is a bunch of people get some material things. But we kill a couple of kids.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so our operation functions.

Cristina: Ah, but we keep it a secret by decorating it as a. We're giving good children.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's what today's about.

Jack: And then people are outside. Exactly. Because then people are like the. The. The child trafficking market is so booming and dangerous. How dare they?

Cristina: Worse on Christmas.

Jack: It's worse on. Christ knows why. Meanwhile, Santa Claus is everywhere on Christmas, kidnapping kids left and right. Man. Was he who Qanon Is fighting.

Cristina: Qanon is fighting.

Jack: Qanon is trying to beat Santa Claus. That's the truth here.

Cristina: But is QAnon one person?

Jack: The agent that is known as Q is.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And the QAnon is the cult. Oh, okay. Versus Santa and Nick.

Jack: And versus the the Santa. Santa Claus conglomerate. Santa Claus, which include immortal Saint Nick.

Cristina: How do you beat that?

Jack: Because Santa Claus is like Drake. Like Drake, people are like Drake the Rapper, but Drake is a team of people. His name is Andre. Or it's like Billie Eilish. Billie Eilish the person? No, no. Billie Eilish might be her name, but it's a group. It's two people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So Santa Claus is bunch of people. St. Nick is who we're thinking about. Yes, but it's Krampus and this douche and that other douche. And a magical goat and a child eater and some dude beating the people Christmas.

Cristina: But I forgot. I don't remember anything about him. I just know his name is Father Christmas.

Jack: He's who they're bringing the kids home for.

Cristina: No, I guess he's the. He's doing what again?

Jack: He's a ringleader.

Cristina: He's a ringleader. Father Christmas.

Jack: Father Christmas. We have the face. St. Nick. But there's somebody giving orders.

Cristina: I thought Santa Claus was the face.

Jack: I could have sworn you were about to say I thought Sonic was. Sonic is the face of Christmas.

Cristina: Okay, so Sonic is helping Santa Claus. Is he on that sleigh? Is he?

Jack: I mean, how does he hit every house?

Cristina: Exactly. Sonic is involved in this. How is he still alive? His games.

Jack: Immortality. Saint Sonic.

Cristina: Saint Sonic. Oh, my God.

Jack: He was always selfless and he made impressive things happen.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: I think he qualifies.

Cristina: All right. We're saying that he's Santa.

Jack: We're saying he's a saint.

Cristina: He's a saint.

Jack: Saint Sonic.

Cristina: Saint Sonic. Okay, well, that was beautiful. I feel like we learned a lot today for nothing at all.

Jack: That was fantastic. We're definitely out of time, though. Okay, but that was a very educational moment where we learned that Santa Claus is kind of like Drake. There's a bunch of people working to make it function. There's a couple of psychotic saints that seem to have nothing to do with their ability. St. Nicholas is the saint of children in barrels, which we previously established.

Cristina: You made him that.

Jack: Pickled children.

Cristina: You made him that.

Jack: And so if you guys like this conversation, there are many more of that nature. You can be way more educated by going to last year's Christmas episode as well. So you can have a couple of nice episodes to check out in this holiday season. Grab this episode, grab one more episode from the past, put them together, play them back to back, and understand Saint Nick, the Saint of Barrels and children.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, to learn more, you can find other episodes discussing holidays and last year's Christmas episode as well at the official website, greatthoughts.info, apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show and review it if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Word of the mouth, the most powerful tool you will have at your disposal. You just whisper to somebody, hey, you wanna listen to a show? And they'll be like, yeah, I do. And then you sit peacefully together with some food and snacks and everything goes well.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then you thank them and you're like, thanks, man, I enjoyed this. And they're like, thank you for telling me about it.

Cristina: Now let's subscribe and rate and review. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Boxing Day. I don't know what that is, but that's a holiday somewhere.

Jack: Boxing Day.

Cristina: Yeah, I think they put the idea is to donate stuff to the homeless people by putting the stuff in a box.

Jack: Oh, you mean like Mike Tyson has nothing to do with this holiday?

Cristina: No, no, I don't think so.

Jack: It's not like Mike Tyson's favorite holiday is Boxing Day.

Cristina: Maybe he loves putting things in boxes and doing it to homeless.

Jack: You sure it's not that he's boxing on this holiday? Like boxers all come out and box.

Cristina: Beat up on the homeless.

Jack: Yeah, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know anything about. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 12, 2020

Rambling 112: Controlling Society

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Who truly controls the country? Is it the People, the Businesses or the Government? Breaking down the pecking order that runs the United States of America.

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Jack: Have you ever wondered who controls the money, who controls the companies, who controls the government, and who controls the people? Find out all that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So you grab somebody, you sit them the f*** down, and you tell them, I'm the one in control here.

Cristina: Why does it have to be like that?

Jack: I am the one who's in control. You've. Why. Why can't they just ask kindly?

Cristina: Yeah, it's never just a. Okay, could you. You. You might be interested in this. Why don't you just listen to it with me?

Jack: Why would you ask somebody to kindly listen to the show with you when you can make somebody reluctant? Listen. If somebody is already willing to listen to the show, that's fine. They're probably gonna stumble on the show. You need to force somebody who wasn't willing. Bigger audience.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: More people. Those who want and those who don't.

Cristina: Want and those who don't want will probably not listen again or.

Jack: But they heard we got the view. We're paid, bro. Oh, that's how it goes.

Cristina: Helping us out?

Jack: Yeah. All those listens pay off. So, yeah, you sit them down. You're like, I'm the one in m************ control here. I control what you do, when you do it, how you f*** it. I'm the government. From this point forward, you. You gotta listen when I say listen, or I gotta tax you.

Cristina: Then what's the tax money? They're gonna make you pay them for forcing you to listen to them.

Jack: Yeah. If you don't listen. Yeah. If you don't listen, you gotta pay. And then that money makes it to us. We're secretly taxing them. We're part of the government. We were for the Illuminati, I guess. We're not part of the government.

Cristina: We're not.

Jack: No, we're part of the Illuminati. We're like an agency that's superior to the government who's trying to bring truth to the people. The woke. Truth to the people.

Cristina: Who's bringing the truth Us or the government?

Jack: Us. Like, the government wants to offer truth?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Only the Illuminati wants to offer truth. None of these government agencies or political officials are telling anybody the truth. They're all just trying to con the people and manipulate the people and control the people. Man. The man just wants to control you. Man.

Cristina: Yes. All the men in the government, though.

Jack: None of the women though. Just the men.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Just the Man.

Jack: Yeah. Like they're gonna give women power.

Cristina: Then why are there women in the government?

Jack: So that they can con the people into thinking that the people's. It's. It's the red pill. You give them the blue pill. Oh, the government's control. No, wait. The blue pill. No. Oh, s***. That's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because the blue pill is the government's. Fine. It's a functional system.

Cristina: It's perfect.

Jack: And then the people who are like, oh, but the government's f*****, and you're being lied to. And you're a g****** she. Those people. Those people get the. Hey, look, your vote put a woman in office. I guess it's working now, right? And you're like, yeah, I made that happen. And so you ate the red pill. You're like, yeah, this new reality is the real reality. And I'm not a sheep.

Cristina: Still suck. But I'm telling. What, the telling the government?

Jack: Yes. That illusion. I'm in control. My vote made it my soul. Vote changed everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's totally not the. Because you ate the red pill, bro. It was given to you by the same people who gave you the blue pill.

Cristina: Then what's the reality?

Jack: The red pill brought to you by the makers of the blue pill. Like, what the f***?

Cristina: Who. What's the truth?

Jack: The truth is the government is shafting you no matter what the f*** you do. The government doesn't work for you.

Cristina: They should, but they're just people, so are they also just hurting themselves as well?

Jack: Who? The government?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, because they're using tax money to fill their pockets. They're not hurting themselves. What are they doing? They're taking the money they put in into their own pocket. Again, they pay no tax. If you work for the government, you technically pay no tax because you're putting.

Cristina: Away the money that you're getting back later.

Jack: You said any branch of the government gets paid by taxpayer money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Every branch, all of it. 100% you% pay no tax. By working for the government, you immediately pay no tax. If you're a political official, like an officer, they pay no tax.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Community hospitals, they pay no tax, none of those deals. Those people are all paid by the government. Meaning the tax they pay from their.

Cristina: Check is our money.

Jack: Yeah, that goes back to their own pocket. They took money and then put a little of it back, but they still took the money out of the tax. So while politicians, on the other hand, they take giant sums because they can shuffle the money until it disappears. And it's like, oh, well, we distributed some over there, some over here, some over there. This one went through those hoops to get into that hoop to enter this system that was supposed to go for that thing, but then that thing needed, you know, this, this and that. So we have to break that up.

Cristina: Ozark or something.

Jack: Yeah, you're just like, yeah, it's a giant money laundering scheme where you're just mixing the money over here, passing it over there, moving it through here, it gets over there, and suddenly it ended up in your pocket. And nobody can explain how because we can't follow that mess you created.

Cristina: Yeah, no one's investigating.

Jack: Nobody's invest. And when they do, they get removed and replaced by somebody who's gonna do it better. That's all it is. We don't control the f****** government. No, we don't control the f****** government. You know who does control the government, though? Lobbyists.

Cristina: Lobbyists. That's company people.

Jack: Company people. Company people who go and make laws. That controls the government. Not f****** we. We don't control the government. The government simply wants us to think we control the government. That's the f****** red pill that the matrix gave us.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Yes, the illusion is we're in control, man. For the people who are like, the government works. And no, we don't have to control it. It works the way it needs to, but. But then there's a red poll. The government's supposed to respond to us, bro. And if it doesn't, it's not functional. And it's like, we need to rise and vote and s***. And then you vote and s***. And you just voted somebody from a list that they gave you, but you think it was your list because you voted, but they gave you the list of people to vote from.

Cristina: Mm, sucks.

Jack: Yeah. You're choosing out of the people we prefer. Which one do you want in office?

Cristina: These are our two favorite picks up here.

Jack: Yeah, these are the two people we think should be running on top. Which one of them would you like? Here, here, we'll throw you a choice. And it's like, I couldn't choose who made it all the way up there. No, no, no, no, no. And you know what's weird? How does this even get selected? Right, so we have like the, let's say the presidency. Right? We have a presidency race.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we have people who are fighting, arguing or whatever and debating and s***. When they, they run out of f****** like, oh, I'm dropping out.

Cristina: Mm, right.

Jack: Why are they dropping out? Based on what did they just f****** run out of?

Cristina: Who? We didn't vote yet cuz they already assume they're losing.

Jack: Favored yet, man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What you just dropping out cuz someone.

Cristina: Paid them to drop out or are.

Jack: They running out of money? Like I don't. Dude, what the f***?

Cristina: What about all those other people who don't go to the base debates? Is only a two party thing.

Jack: That's weird, right? Other parties, they only want you to see these two people, our two candidates. You make a choice between our two.

Cristina: Candidates and ignore the other.

Jack: Like everybody.

Cristina: 10 people.

Jack: It's like a million parties.

Cristina: Yeah. And they show it to us on you.

Jack: Oh, we don't f****** know who they are. Yeah, they made sure we only know two people.

Cristina: Unless you like dig deep, I guess.

Jack: But how a country isn't gonna do that. They're relying on a laziness of a country. That's the whole goal. They're relying on people being lazy and not doing the homework. That's why they only show you the people they want you to know about.

Cristina: Yes, man. The laziness wins out. That's the whole like people are like going crazy over how this. Most people voted. How did like how has it increased this much? Did people start caring or something and it's like, nah, they got it home. It's easier. It's laziness.

Jack: Yeah. They mailed you the ballot and it showed up on your doorstep.

Cristina: Yeah. And then you just had to mail it out or put it in a box. Like it's so much easier than standing in a line, signing yourself in, waiting some more, etc.

Jack: Yeah, it got done for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's f****** weird. People are lazy as h***. And that's how the government. The government knows this.

Cristina: That were lazy. Yeah, but aren't they lazy? I guess not. Because they have a drive, which is that money.

Jack: Yeah, the government has a financial drive. That's all they care about. The government only cares about money. Everybody only cares about money.

Cristina: And the lobbyists though, well, the lobbyists.

Jack: Also care about money. They just need the right laws to.

Cristina: Make their s*** work to make them more money.

Jack: Yeah, it's all about money.

Cristina: So the money rules the world.

Jack: Sort of. The lobbyists are ruled by the companies. Usually they are the people who are paid by a company to go do a thing, go convince the f******.

Cristina: Then the companies rule the world.

Jack: Well, then that becomes a problem because the people control the money.

Jack: It's. Nobody owns anybody. Everybody's somebody's b**** in a perfect circle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It goes like this. The people control the money. The money controls the companies. The companies control the government. The government controls the people.

Cristina: And the people control who? What?

Jack: The companies.

Cristina: The companies.

Jack: Well, they control the money, which controls the.

Cristina: They control them. Yes. Okay. Yes.

Jack: The money flow comes from the people, the everyday people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the money controls the companies.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Companies will do whatever the f***.

Cristina: Like Barry washing us through ads. Ads everywhere. Ads. 24. 7.

Jack: Yeah. 100%. And they need to be on our good side. If we become aware of anything, they have to react and be on the side of the majority. Always. 100%. Jeff Bezos, perfect example. We said he'd go out and shoot somebody the moment that his money was threatened and his money was threatened. And what's the first thing he did? He went outside and he popped the m*********** in the head.

Cristina: He did not really do that, but he did something close, you know?

Jack: Yeah. Somebody said, we're not gonna use your system because you. You. You haven't taken a stance because you're.

Cristina: What was the.

Jack: Well, he hadn't sided with anybody yet. He had a. Like, did he even have a banner? No, they didn't have anything. Right. They made no stand. So black people were like, nah, we're not doing this. And then he was like, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, no. I'm. Pick a side. I'll pick a side. I'm on your side.

Cristina: So you waited for someone to be.

Jack: Angry, and then when he put the Black lives thing, because people were like, well, now's the moment to make a stand. Whoever the f*** you are, whatever company you're running, you make a stand. Or you. If you don't stand with us, you. You're against us. And he wasn't making a stand until people were like, Amazon doesn't seem to want to pick a side, so we're just going to stop using that. He was like, wait, hold the f*** up. I'm on Black Lives Matter. And then that's when the other people showed up. And it's like, you're the minority. Kiss a**. When he. When he released the message in return. Because first it was people boycotting anybody who didn't want to participate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that's when he was like, okay, banners, Black Lives Matter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then the f****** people who thinks Black Lives Matter is racist showed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they were like, well, we don't support Black Lives Matter, so we're gonna stop using your platform. And then he replied, go kiss a**, cuz you're the minority and your money doesn't mean anything.

Cristina: Yes. That's awful.

Jack: That's awful. But you gotta be wherever the money ends.

Cristina: And that's all he did.

Jack: That's all he did. He sided with money because he's controlled by the money. Amazon is owned by the money. Buy the money. And if the money isn't there, Amazon is garbage. And this applies to every company in the world. Money runs the company and the people run the money. You please the people or f*** your s***. Yeah, but if they can influence the government who controls the people, then they can get a little bit of leeway. That's why Facebook is in deep s***. Because Facebook did not please the people.

Cristina: No. Especially after everything came out.

Jack: Yes. Facebook illegal s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because it was elite, had Facebook done it legally through the government the way other companies do to always be in the clear. But Facebook didn't want to put out the money. Facebook wants all the money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because they didn't put out the money to bribe the government to legislate s***.

Jack: Then it wasn't law, meaning what they did was illegal. And when the people found that illegal s*** was happening, Facebook loses money.

Cristina: But that's because the government investigated it. Because they were like, we want this. We don't want you to have it anymore. We want this information for ourselves. If we just tell the people about this, then it's ours.

Jack: You think that's what happened?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Did the government want the information? The government already has access to all this s***.

Cristina: Well, they don't want it with everyone. They want every company to give them the stuff. They weren't happy that Facebook wasn't giving them whatever, so they did that.

Jack: No, that's not true.

Cristina: That's not true.

Jack: That's not true. Apple doesn't give anybody s***. That's not true by any means. The government would be falling down on Apple like a ton of bricks if that was the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are people who are Apple loyalists and they are dedicated and every penny they spend is through an Apple product in Apple systems, buying Macs and iPhones and this s*** dash s*** and f****** earpods and crap. So if that was the case, Apple would be shafted.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's not. It's simply that the government is ruled by the lobbyists. The lobbyists that did force the laws to get made. There were. None of. None of them were from Facebook and none of those laws were assisting Facebook. And the government needs to keep the illusion that it's following the laws and enforcing the laws. And Facebook did something in plain sight. It was discovered. So now the government needs to keep face and attack. It doesn't give a f***. Pay us and we'll let it go. But now it's in the light. You can't just pay us anymore because had it been law, we would have been like, it's perfectly legal. You got caught, but it's legal. Who cares? But you got caught and you didn't pay us to make it legal. So now you can't pay us. Now you're already f*****. It's in the light. If you suddenly pay us now, it's obvious. The illusion fades and we need to keep the lie that the people control us. So we have to behave like the people are controlling us.

Cristina: And what exactly are they doing, though?

Jack: They're getting. They're probably gonna destroy Facebook, to be honest. But they're making Facebook share its information. That's definitely what is happening. But they're not making Apple share its information. It's not really about the information. It's about Facebook didn't make it legal first.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Facebook is losing money because it didn't follow the trend. It didn't do it didn't play the game. Facebook didn't play the game and wanted to win. And that's not how you win. You got to play to win.

Cristina: You got to play to win. You got to follow this step.

Jack: You got to follow the step. Facebook didn't pay off the government. The government has no reason to be loyal to Facebook.

Cristina: And we are still in charge somehow of all this.

Jack: We rule Facebook because we're the money. We could just be like, nah, we're not going to invest in any company. And preemptively. People didn't boycott s***. They're just like, we're going to stop advertising on your platform so that we're not associated with your fall.

Cristina: You see, because the people.

Jack: Exactly. Because your partners with Facebook. Oh, oh, really? We'll just stop using your s*** too. Then they preemptively in mass. They were like, yeah. They're like, peace, bro. F*** yo. S***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So money controlled all the companies that were advertising through Facebook and Facebook loses money because it didn't want to play the game.

Cristina: How dare they.

Jack: Meanwhile, Amazon tyrannical destroys everything in the world. This small business is crushed under its weight. But also they play the game.

Cristina: Yeah, that's him. But don't people still have a problem with them?

Jack: Yes, because we know they're schemy, but you can't do anything because they make it all legal.

Cristina: But doesn't the government want to break them apart?

Jack: Well, they think the company is too powerful. There's a difference between the power of Amazon and the corruption of Facebook. Those are two very different monsters. Facebook is corrupted. Facebook is broken. Facebook uses user data and sells it without user knowledge. Yes, now they let people know. But you've already been doing it illegally for so long. There's already a trial about all the time before you let anybody know.

Cristina: They're still going to get in trouble for all this.

Jack: They're still in trouble. They f***** up all the other companies the moment they saw it happen. What did they do? Wait, we're gonna make everybody aware of everything? Every.

Cristina: They were involved. They were the ones. Are they? They were the ones that were paying Facebook for this info?

Jack: Yeah. H*** yeah.

Cristina: Like they're just pretending we had nothing to do with it?

Jack: Yeah, for the most part. Well, advertisers. Yeah, advertisers. Okay, so retailers and s*** like that. Those are the same people who pulled out, the people who were buying the s*** that Facebook was selling. Those are the people who pulled out.

Cristina: Of Facebook, but they're not giving out that information.

Jack: The government, I mean, as plain as day, who were they selling it to? The advertisers. Who were the advertisers? The people who f****** love Facebook.

Cristina: Okay, so no one else is paying attention that they're just boycotting Facebook and out these other companies who left before.

Jack: Well, let's think of it like this. You're walking down the street and you couldn't buy your daughter some shoes. There were some brand new shoes she loved and you don't have the right money and it was $200. You're like, we can't afford that. A crackhead pulls up and he opens a box and he's like, hey, I got some shoes for sale. And he opens a box and they happen to be the right size. The exact shoe your daughter wanted. And he's like, you could have it for $10. Then I get just wants crack. That guy just wants crack. That dude just wants some crack. Just let him have his crack. What are you gonna do? You can probably buy those shoes. Yeah, you can look at them. Is this real? Is it? Holy s***. It is all labels, right? It's in perfect condition. Doesn't look worn. He's like, yeah, it's never been used before. He clearly stole those shoes. But also, who's ever gonna be able to track that? Nobody. You just have shoes now. Are you not gonna buy the. No, you can buy the shoes. Does anybody give a f*** where you found. Nobody gives a f*** where you found those shoes. You clearly own stolen shoes. Yeah, but does anybody give a s***? No. That crackhead stole somebody. He has to go to jail, though. He stole those shoes. He has to go to jail. If he gets caught, he goes to jail. You bought something. The crackhead is Facebook.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You are the retailer.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You bought stolen s***. Yeah, but like, everybody else would have.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You didn't steal it. You just bought some s***. You bought it fairly. It was stolen. That doesn't seem like it's your problem.

Cristina: Because you could just say, I didn't know.

Jack: I didn't know. We thought this was all done properly. We made a deal that we can have data. They come up with. We didn't ask how you're getting your data. Yes, we were just getting data. We thought, you know, they. They run surveys and this and that. No, they're just stealing information. Oh, I'm so surpr. Yeah, that's how it works. Facebook wasn't playing the game. Facebook's f*****. Amazon plays the game. They play a nice game to the point that they're kind of unbeatable. Google plays the game.

Cristina: Ooh, there's no problem with Google. Google's fine.

Jack: Well, Google people hate that. Google can control its directory. It chooses what could go up there whenever the f*** it wants. The problem is, if you read those.

Cristina: Terms and services, that's what it can do. So it can reserve.

Jack: Yep. It reserves the right to delist whatever the f*** it wants, whenever the f*** it wants, however the f*** it wants, without warning, you use it knowing.

Cristina: And so the government can't do anything about that.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: They can't just change the laws.

Jack: No. The problem with Facebook is they were lying about it. They weren't making it known publicly. All these other companies just read. Not only that, all these other companies have a simplified version of their complicated contract so that you can read it in simpler terms. If you scroll to the bottoms of terms and services, a lot of these have a revised version that you just click, and it's a shorter bullet point. Usually what they. Well, nowadays, that's usually what they show you first, and you can click for detailed version of it, but they give you now the bullet points. So that people can comprehend it instead of this giant 3,000 page thing. Exactly. So now they give you the bullet point one instead of putting it behind a million walls to trick you.

Cristina: Finally.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's the one good thing.

Jack: Yeah. Because nobody wants to be guilty. Everybody wants to play. Play the game. Boom. Boom.

Cristina: And we made that game.

Jack: We made that game through capitalism. We're consumers. It's a culture of consumerism. And so money controls the companies. Companies use the money to pay the lobbyists. Lobbyists use some of that money to control the government. And government changes its laws to control the people so that companies get paid.

Cristina: How can we use this information against the government?

Jack: How do we use this information against the government?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess if there are people who are really like, I need to do something.

Jack: Threaten rich people money. You can control the government if you control the companies. And you do control the companies. So for us, the companies, the problem is people are. It relies on the fact that people are consumers and people are lazy and consumerism is based on convenience.

Cristina: So they're gonna follow that company whether or not it's doing.

Jack: Yeah. The chain can't be broken. It naturally happened. Nobody was like, well, I'm gonna formulate it this way. There's no individual who made the system. System is just customs and behaviors that naturally fell into place and created what we're in.

Cristina: Mm. But sometimes we get together and change things ourselves.

Jack: Yes. When we force certain things to happen. We boycott enough companies, they're like, bro, I'm losing people on both sides. I can't be picking sides forever. We need to legislate some s*** that makes both sides happy so that we can get this s*** over with and I can get all the customers instead of f****** some of them. So we're gonna pay some lobbyists to go and force a law that is just down the middle enough that both sides are happy and my business doesn't suffer. And these are what the titans like Amazon and Google and Apple and all these m************ do they pay lobbyists to do those things that keeps their companies in the center.

Cristina: Yes. So I guess that's good, isn't it?

Jack: Yeah, it is good.

Cristina: It makes everybody happy until we're taking advantage of.

Jack: Well, we're taking advantage of. Because of something we haven't thought of yet. They find another hole, and then we patch another hole.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: There's always a loophole. It's a matter of finding them. Who finds it first? The government, the companies, or the people?

Cristina: If we find it first, then we could do something. If they find it first, they could just. Yeah, create.

Jack: If we find it first and it hasn't been in favor of the companies or the government. The government just listens to the people. There's no benefit or not.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If the companies find it first, they abuse it. Usually try to put it into law secretly while they immediately put it into play, but then change it in law afterwards.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So by the time people realize it's happening. Oh no, it's legal. If the government finds it, they try to use it to control both the companies and the people. Yes, because the government needs to try.

Cristina: To keep its people. I mean, wants control both the company and the people.

Jack: Yeah. And the. Because what's the benefit of everybody Wants control of everybody.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the companies want control of the government, but they also want to control the people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the people want to control the companies and they also want to control the government.

Cristina: Definitely. So the government would also want.

Jack: Our three party system is equal to our four party system in politics where we have the president is his own party, the Congress is its own party, the Senate is its own party and the people are their own party.

Cristina: And we all control each other.

Jack: And we all control each other in some way. The third, twice removed is not reachable. So people don't affect President, Congress doesn't affect Senate, Senate doesn't affect Congress, and the President doesn't affect the people. So if we make a box and put them all on the corners, the people opposite to each other, us opposite from President, Congress opposite to Senate. That's the layout. You can't affect somebody you're not directly touching with a line, but you can affect each other in that same way. We can control who's in the Senate and we can control who's in the Congress and they control who's the President and the President can control who's in the Senate and the President can control who's in the Congress. They control Senate and Congress. Yeah, along with the people.

Cristina: So in a way we still. It's still up to us.

Jack: Yes. It's a battle between the people and the dictator for the two people who control the people.

Cristina: And the dictator and the dictator could be either the government or the companies.

Jack: Well, that's a whole separate thing. We assume the entire political system, including the people as part of politics.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is one system, but people independent of politics. We're talking capitalism and politics as two separate things. So people economics are included with Congress. I mean people economics is included with government and companies, while people politics is people, Congress, Senate, and president and those are separate things. If we have our three party system of the companies, the people and the government, we zoom in on the government. The government contains the people, people, the President, the Congress and the Senate. But when companies try to influence the government, they're trying to influence that entire group. People's thoughts on politics, the Congress, the Senate's behavior with money. And they try to bribe the President.

Cristina: Definitely. Yes.

Jack: But controlling our thoughts on politics is independent than trying to use our money. Because our thoughts in politics is what the government is trying to control. Yes, that's all just part of the government trying to influence us. So it's a whole f****** clusterfuck of things. The illusion that they're trying to portray is that people control the government, that the government controls the companies, that the companies control the money and that the money controls the people. They try to tell us the money controls us. You gotta work for it. Yeah, you gotta work for it. If you didn't work for, you didn't earn it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if you didn't earn it, you can't do s***.

Cristina: We start to believe that though.

Jack: Yes. We believe we're owned by the money. We're not. We're the ones holding the money.

Cristina: But that's the. Wait, that's the government telling us that. Or that's the companies that are tricking us.

Jack: Everything is trying to convince us that it's that order. Yes, Everybody's trying to convince us that it's that order.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They want us to believe people control government, government controls companies, companies control money and money controls people.

Cristina: But it's not like that.

Jack: No. The reality is, if we think about it and use it properly, people control money, money controls companies, companies control government and government controls people.

Cristina: And if we knew that, we could actually do something. Although we do stuff, it's just very rarely. That it works.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That we actually like, I guess, bully the wrong company or the right company, I guess.

Jack: It's not that it rarely works. It's that the system is designed to move slowly to take into account knee jerk reaction. You don't want people to have a knee jerk reaction and then make a law out of it. Yes, that's problematic. That's what's scary about Democrats having the Senate two.

Cristina: Because then they can do that stuff. They're gonna have both parties.

Jack: Yes. I mean, the House and the Congress.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes. If they have the House, the Congress and the Senate and the majority of people are also Democrats. Right now we have a scary f****** problem where the entire system is blue and Everybody who's just reacting to things Trump did are gonna create laws based on a reaction, no thought, pure emotion.

Cristina: That's all he's been doing, too.

Jack: Yes, but he can't do anything. He just looks like he's doing stuff. He tries to make it seem like he has power and people believe it. The people on the right swear he has power because he tells them and they'll believe anything. And the people on the left swear he has power because they hate anything he does. And they're like, look at how horrible. When in reality, half this s*** existed long before he was even.

Cristina: It's just easier to blame him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Then, like, we've been doing this for.

Jack: Years, but he hasn't done anything. He's done nothing. Everything. Somebody else put. The only times anything really got accomplished in mass, it was when the parties were all aligned. When Obama was in office, it was all blue. He got s*** done.

Cristina: But you said that was a bad thing.

Jack: That was a bad thing. Many, many horrible things happened in that time. That was a very, very bad thing.

Cristina: And right now, though, it's not all red.

Jack: No.

Cristina: The house is blue.

Jack: The house is blue.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yes. But the president is blue now.

Cristina: Yes. And everything's going back to being super blue.

Jack: Let's hope not.

Cristina: We're not sure yet.

Jack: Because if the Senate turns out to stay red.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then slowly, only things people agree on will get through. And that's the way it should be.

Cristina: Because that's more balanced.

Jack: Yes, that's the way it should be.

Cristina: Sort of just random stuff going through.

Jack: Yes. And I think the filibuster shouldn't be removed. The filibuster is that thing where one person can stop it if they don't agree. Like a bill going through.

Cristina: One person can stop.

Jack: One person can stop it. And it's like, if they have legit reason.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then it shouldn't go through.

Cristina: But do they at least have to?

Jack: I think they do. I don't think they could just be disagree. Why? Yeah, I don't want to.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: If that's how it plays out, maybe fix the fill up.

Cristina: Maybe fix it. Yeah.

Jack: But if it's. If you really got to explain your stance and have a good argument, then, yeah, I think it should be there. Because if one person disagrees, they are a representative. That's what a republic is. And we live in a f****** republic.

Cristina: And they forget that. Although Biden is, you know, acting like he's for both parties.

Jack: So if.

Cristina: I don't know if that's all talk.

Jack: Or what if a representative disagrees? They represent a huge number of people. You can't just be like, f*** your s***. That's not how it works. A pure democracy is dangerous because the minority will always suffer.

Cristina: Yeah, we should. We gotta listen to everyone, I guess.

Jack: We gotta listen to everybody. And that is a f****** problem.

Cristina: That too is a problem.

Jack: Well, if we don't listen to people. If we don't listen to people, we are faced with a very disturbing problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. The problem is that if you listen to knee jerk reaction and legislate or behave in response to things, you end up with problems. For example, there's actually a perfect example of people controlling companies through money.

Cristina: What's the example?

Jack: If you look at companies who fire people who have been accused of. Me too. Whether or not they have been proven guilty.

Cristina: Just assuming that they are.

Jack: Just assuming they are. Because the people, the louder voices are saying it. And people are paying attention to the louder voices. And we just gotta pick a f****** side immediately so we don't lose money. So we get rid of them. They don't boycott us because we're on their side. But you ruin somebody's life. Think of Netflix firing mad, mad, mad people over me too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Think of shows firing mad map shows, movies, TV channels firing people over me too. Some of them. Many of them, there was f****** nothing. It turned out there was f*** nothing. Some of them had proof that there was nothing. That they were innocent.

Cristina: Yes. Like Kevin.

Jack: Like Kevin Spacey with text messages showing, I'm gonna tell them you did this. And it's like, why, if I didn't do that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, because you're gonna believe me and not you. And it's like, too bad that got recorded, buddy. But how many times does this happen?

Cristina: Too many times.

Jack: Too many times. And after Kevin Spacey did it, people got smart and they're like, I'm gonna just record these conversations so that when somebody does that. And now we have several cases where people have proof. They threatened they were gonna do this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they know it didn't happen. Here's the proof.

Cristina: That's how it should be, though.

Jack: Yes. But companies didn't give a s***. They fire people. And we're not going to rehire because the image is ruined. We can't. And that's in react. That's a knee jerk reaction. That's the companies in a knee jerk reaction to the people's knee jerk reaction. Companies being ruled by the money of the people do it.

Cristina: Yes. But they pretend that we're under Them under their control.

Jack: They pretend the money is controlling us when we're controlling the money.

Cristina: If we knew that we easily.

Jack: Well we were aware of it in these times. That's why we were like, we'll boycott you guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's where boycotting came in. Boycotting came as a result of being aware that. Wait, wait, wait guys, we have the money.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess the Internet did help because we always were boycotting beforehand, but not as much as now.

Jack: People relied on us not being aware of it.

Cristina: Yes. Like maybe one town will be boycotting and the rest of the country might not know about or they'll find out really late or something and be over it.

Jack: Yeah, it's just news. Oh, they boycott a thing. Oh for one. Oh, how interesting.

Cristina: Yes. But now it could be the world.

Jack: Because it could happen overnight. Yes. Your company could be destroyed overnight. So you react instantaneously and that's a problem. That's where all these companies suddenly changed their rules and terms.

Cristina: Ruin a company. That's the thing that you don't notice. But you could do it.

Jack: Yeah, you could destroy a company. And now we know it though, so. But the problem is we have knee jerk reactions as people. So now we don't like Sonic boycott and it's like what the f***? Now you're like swinging the other side. You're hung, you're power hungry.

Cristina: Being really picky. Yes. Empower hunger. Oh yeah.

Jack: You know you have the power now. You're gonna wield it like it's a weapon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you can destroy anything you don't even like on. On nuance. Bullshit.

Cristina: Hey, if it's better though that Sonic one is the only one that's like eh, it actually turned out alright. But yeah, in other cases it's really unfair.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty f***** up. But on the flip side, they can control how effective our boycotts are with what we're allowed to say when we're allowed to say it. If they can stop us from saying certain things on the Internet. Well we can't have them going to Twitter and saying all this s***. So we got to get lobbyists to go and make lobby for some laws so that they force all our competition to have certain. We gotta censor these people so they don't say certain things so that people don't know. Hey, we can put this s***. We could do that. Or we just censored topics that they think they want censored. We censored things we that they think they want censored. When really it's Benefit to us. The less they can say, the easier it is for us to move in those dark alleys that they've banned. And by putting lobbyists to go do this, we can get everybody to agree to certain terms that prevent the dialogue, that allows to boycott the dialogue. That allows for this type of. Yes, the dialogue. That allows for this information to flourish and destroy our. And that's companies controlling the government for their safety.

Cristina: They do a great job.

Jack: Yeah. Because even Twitter, the wild west, has randomly begun to censor s***.

Cristina: Yes. And Instagram. Oh, stop it. Instagram.

Jack: Well, Instagram is Facebook. And Facebook is overcorrecting because it's been attacked severely and it is scared. The government and the people. It's supposed to be in control of one. And it doesn't seem to be controlling either. Facebook is scared. So, like, we gotta overcorrect in every.

Cristina: Possible direction and just ruin ourselves more.

Jack: Yeah, it's kind of gonna backfire. They're gonna keep kind of snowballing in the wrong direction.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's going to be crazy, man.

Cristina: Twitter is on the same path, though. YouTube is sort of the same way too, of just blocking things for random. You say a word, you're not.

Jack: Well, actually that brings in the. The excessive power that companies. Because they control the election. The company, all these companies control the election. Social media controls the election. They choose what is allowed to see. So the ads, for example, a bunch of companies decided we're going to pull President Trump ads off of our platform.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they're filled with conspiracy. Even if the s*** he's saying is true, how do you like. He can't. All of it can't be conspiracy theories, man. And maybe a lot of it is true. Maybe a lot of it. Maybe all of it is true. They could just say it's a conspiracy theory and the left is going to agree just because they agree and they're the majority. So f*** it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you reduce the chance. Because the problem is people are confident with Trump in office and they'll say things on their mind that usually the left doesn't like. And when they see it on their platform, the left is like, well, we're gonna boycott this platform now. So we remove Trump and he doesn't get elected. Cuz people didn't see him. He went to the back of people's minds. We push Biden to the front. People like Biden more, they see him more, they vote for him. He gets in office, people stop saying s*** that's off the rails. And they don't boycott Our platform because some a******.

Cristina: So they.

Jack: Peace.

Cristina: Yes. So it has nothing to do with the mailings or any.

Jack: That's them pointing in many different directions. So that we don't look at the fact that they removed ads. They blocked and censored President Twitter's things and Facebook posts were amazing. His ads were hilarious.

Cristina: They were comedy genius.

Jack: Yes. And Biden and his boring s*** all got pushed to the front.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it was beneficial for the companies to have somebody who won't light the flame. Like it won't fuel that fire that.

Cristina: Exists in people who's boycotting the companies.

Jack: Yes. Because people who say crazy s***. People feel confident. They say crazy s***. People like, well, that's racist. And we're gonna boycott Facebook if they don't take it down. We'll boycott Twitter if they don't take it down.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And everybody's scared about their money.

Cristina: I did.

Jack: You threatened the rich people's money. They're gonna act.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And all these rich people got scared. Google, they got scared. People saying s*** on YouTube now.

Cristina: They don't want this, though.

Jack: Yeah. So everybody got they banned together. And we're like, we're with our powers. We're gonna get our lobbyists and we're gonna Earth, water, fire. Our powers combined. We're captain correct the government. And then they went ahead and basically put Biden in there themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that the off the rails s*** stops and their companies are safe.

Cristina: Yeah. Because then there's nothing to look at. Because they could do it secretly without worrying that someone's gonna make a big show about it like Trump would do.

Jack: So they can legally censor whoever the f*** they want without somebody suing because they're gonna put that s*** into line. You know, we could take all the. How much s*** could they just label as conspiracy theory right now? Just take it down.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like that. Fairway conspiracy. I don't know if it's a real conspiracy or not anymore. They said it was a conspiracy. That is not true of Fairway company. It's a furniture product thing that all the furniture is super expensive. And they were saying people believe that they're selling kids in the furniture, that there's missing kids and the furniture has the name of the kids. They were like, this is weird. Because the furniture without the kid's name is a different price. Like, why is it so much more expensive with a missing kid's child? With a missing kid's name on it. Are they selling these kids? And then all of that's counted as conspiracy? Of course.

Jack: I mean, it technically is. It is a conspiracy, but whether it's a true conspiracy or not is the argument.

Cristina: And they say it's false because. I don't know. It was a mistake.

Jack: Well, actually, this is another f****** program problem that Facebook has. It. Cultivating these f****** Facebook groups that creates multiple conspiracies.

Cristina: Yeah, it was a conspiracy machine.

Jack: Yeah, it's the breeding ground of f****** conspiracy theories. Facebook is where conspiracy theories are born. It used to f****** be 4chan and Reddit.

Cristina: Yes. And those are really private, like people. You don't know a lot of people in those things, do you? Yes. I mean, I guess if you're a part of it, you do, but you know.

Jack: Yeah, like the normal person know s*** about 4chan.

Cristina: Yes, your parent does it.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: They know Facebook.

Jack: Yeah, everybody's on Facebook. That's a problem. It's too easily accessible and it'll get blended in. If you like this thing, you're probably likely to believe that thing. So we're gonna bunch you guys up and throw all of them at you. And now you believe all the conspiracy theories that f****** happen on Facebook. So people, now Facebook, in its overcorrection has to f****** every conspiracy. F*** this s*** and f*** that and take it all down.

Cristina: Same with the news, because everything was fake news. Everyone constantly sharing fake news about just anything. Anything.

Jack: Yep, yep. Everything just proved this bullshit. And they. They don't even know at this point.

Cristina: No, they just. They just share everything. Whatever. I don't know, whatever was popular, I guess. I don't know how they found these things.

Jack: Well, actually that's funny because sticking on to the banning, like Twitter and Facebook banning. Alex Jones messed up when the s*** he was talking about turned out to be true. Yeah, that's the craziest, most f***** s***. And he talked about s*** from like 20 years ago or talked about 20 years ago about s*** that got proven recently to be true and he was just removed. Oh, it's conspiracy theory and blah, blah, blah. And it's like.

Cristina: No, because it's only though. Because one person actually acted out, though, towards it. They did that thing with sort of like Pizzagate where the guy went to the pizza place that. With a gun, I think. Yeah, whatever. Something similar to that happened with Alex Jones where one of the listeners went out and just. They. They would harass parents of a school shootout.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: They didn't believe it was true because he said it wasn't true. And like, who knows? But now he's banned for what he said. But because of how the people Reacted from what he was saying.

Jack: But yeah, no, definitely it's. But here's the problem. Somebody reacting to something isn't his fault. But if truth is coming out, that could be something. You could do something with it. Yes, like crazy people react on other s***. Why don't you ban when other people behave random on other crap? How many people went around harassing Michael Jackson without knowing for a fact? Turned out it was true.

Cristina: Was it true?

Jack: I mean, not really. Nobody has definite proof. But the f****** documentary that came out makes it look like it's true.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so people were harassing him with none of this information. On rumors. Those people didn't get banned from anywhere. That happened on the Internet forever. No. Nobody banned them.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: We could harass people.

Jack: Yeah, you're allowed to harass. It's f****** weird, man.

Cristina: Especially celebrities. We own them for some reason.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Death threats to everyone. Why is that a thing?

Jack: And you didn't you think you'd think that the government would. In response to what people want? Because this is back to the illusion. In response to what people want. When situations like this come, you'd think people would just say a thing and the government would do what its job is, which is to listen to the people. But it doesn't. And it doesn't legislate until they get paid by the lobbyists because it should do things. But then people start to protest and people band together and hey, we gotta rise up and we gotta do these things because our rights are being abused by the government that should be listening to us. And instead of the government listening, what does it do? It sends armies of militarized police to get aggressive on protesters.

Cristina: Scary stuff.

Jack: That's the government controlling the people, not the people controlling the government.

Cristina: Because the people don't control the government.

Jack: Because the people don't control the government. They want you to think you do. Hey, go vote. That's how you make a choice. It doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Yes. You voted for them to send those cops to you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: To beat you up.

Jack: Yeah. They intentionally write things in ways so that you vote for what they want. Again, you didn't pick who went up there. You picked out of the people they sent up there. That's a very different election. You don't pick who gets to stand on the podium and debate. You pick out of the people they sent to the podium to debate. That's them telling you you get to choose what happens in this government, do you? They chose two identical guys and sent them to the top. And like, which one's your favorite?

Cristina: Yes. So many. We're just. We're addicted to those pills.

Jack: Yeah. Blue pill, red pill, man. It's all the same f****** s***. But that's the government definitely abusing its rights. It's sending people and abusing its power, in that case, instead of putting laws. When it's their job to obey the people, they completely ignore it. And they do the laws that the lobbyists pay for.

Cristina: Yes, but if we do something, have we ever done anything that actually changed laws?

Jack: I mean, it does happen when we get really aggressive. Yes.

Cristina: When we get aggressive. Yes.

Jack: Protesting is how the civil rights movement happens.

Cristina: Yes. We just need to do that again.

Jack: You gotta get real aggressive and you gotta get scary on the government. You gotta threaten their way of life in exchange through. Oh, you could do it through the companies. Yeah, you got to threaten their way of life through the companies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You threaten everything they stand for through the companies. The companies will force the government to do whatever the f*** you want. Don't even question it. You threaten a billionaire. A billionaire controls everybody. Don't worry about it. You threaten a billionaire, he's gonna do whatever the f*** you want him to do without a question. He doesn't have opinions. He cares about money. He doesn't have opinions. He sides with whatever opinion gets paid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so do the politicians. Except you don't have millions in your pocket. The bribe of politician, the billionaires do. So you go ahead and you control that billionaire through their company and watch the laws you want take place. That's how it happens.

Cristina: That's how Jeff Bezos killed that person.

Jack: Yeah, he just went out and shot somebody. Perfect example of how this f****** works as well is the problem with the Senate and the Congress that they don't agree right now, but the money is for the people. Do whatever it takes to give the people money. But they're like, well, I don't agree with this. And I don't. Yeah, but the people are the ones suffering. But it doesn't matter because the people don't control the government. It doesn't f****** matter what we want or what we need because the people don't control the government.

Cristina: Yeah. So they could play this game of what? This price? No, that price.

Jack: They could do this forever because the people have no influence on it. Now, you tell the big companies, look, we're not paying any of you m************ until this f****** stimulus bill goes out. Suddenly they'll agree on $5 trillion overnight.

Cristina: We should do that.

Jack: All the things 100%, I swear to you boycott Google, Amazon and Facebook all at once. Say, until we get the stimulus checks, we don't use any of this. Tell me it doesn't take 15 minutes.

Cristina: Before they do something.

Jack: There's so much. You get a $10,000 check every month for the rest of your life. Just because they're still making a million.

Cristina: Need to do that.

Jack: Yes, that's how it works, man.

Cristina: We just haven't figured that out.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's. People are not willing, people are ignorant, people are lazy.

Cristina: Dumbest things, just the dumbest things get through. No, the whole sonic thing is still shocking.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. People this, man. We don't know how to use power.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That's why the sit. That's why all these systems form. We can't have unlimited power. There needs to be a slow process. Only when a giant group decides unanimously does change happen instantaneously. And at that point, it should happen instantaneously because everybody wanted it.

Cristina: But then. So with the police thing, is that happening then? Because we all together, we're protesting change.

Jack: Specifically in the places where people are banning together in the large enough numbers, change happened immediately, even when the results were s*****. Think of New York. People overwhelmingly were like the police. So they went ahead and removed a s*** ton of police. They defunded the s*** out of police. Crime went way the f*** up. But you guys wanted it. So this is what it looks like now. You can't complain. You asked for it. Your knee jerk reaction. This is what it looks like. Enjoy that.

Cristina: They had to come up with a solution as well.

Jack: Oh yeah, they're definitely complaining now. But they're not arguing for the government that made it happen. Now they're like, f***, we can't go back on our thing. We got to come up with solutions. So community solutions are starting to happen. So I guess it's got to get bad before it gets good.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: So that's the flip side. Yes, crime will go up, but it will go down once they figure it out.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's the important thing. If you don't want the police to control you or the government to control you or whatever. If you want the freedom, it's gonna get bad.

Jack: Yeah. Until you stat. Because it's a new system. You're making a new system.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Figure out how to work, how it works. If you don't know how it works, s***'s gonna get weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it has to because you need to remove the government from the positions of power you want the people to have. But it's problematic we don't know how to use power. We haven't had power. We've been controlled by the government for so long. Instead of the government doing what we want.

Cristina: The government. But they're just people. They're evil people. Did the power turn them evil or did the want for power in the first place make them?

Jack: It doesn't work that way because the lobbyists don't pay. I mean, they do pay individuals, but it doesn't work in such a fashion. The only main individual that lobbyists really, really pay is, like, the President. And, yeah, you pay senators and you pay Congress, but you pay them in a bigger scope because they have multiple individuals trying to pass something. So it's about, well, you need to talk to people. You need to make these decisions. You need to get these people to agree. So you're paying a general collective to make moves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they need funding to do what they do. So it's not that there's somebody like, I'm an evil scheme guy. Money is gonna fill my pockets.

Cristina: They just need money.

Jack: Also, my job is getting paid.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To run the government collectively. We all got paid by the same guy to vote for the same thing. But I wasn't like, well, he's paying me, he's paying him. We're all being paid, so we can agree. No, you get paid by you. Basically, they're investing in you.

Cristina: They're investing.

Jack: So nobody's out there being evil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nobody's like, they're just really doing their ideas and doing what their supporters believe they should be doing. And their supporters happen to have a lot of money. And whoever pays you the most is who you work for. Essentially.

Cristina: Then are the companies evil, schemy people?

Jack: Well, the companies are also not evil, schemy people. The companies are companies. Their job is to do whatever profits.

Cristina: The business, no matter what.

Jack: Cause they're not gonna go out and, like, rob people that would profit them.

Cristina: Facebook.

Jack: Well, Facebook is in trouble.

Cristina: Yes. I guess that's what happens. When it does happen.

Jack: Like Amazon does it the right way. You just gotta do whatever. You have shareholders. You have to please the shareholders. You have business sort of setup that you got to follow. You're a retailer, you own certain businesses that do certain things, and you run those businesses accordingly, and you make money in those ways. But if your business is threatened, then you have to make stances and you have to make moves so that your business is not threatened. And the same thing goes for people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: People have to do what the government says so that they don't get in trouble so they don't go to jail, so that they are. They can be out and vote for the certain rights that they want and do this and do that. So every. Nobody's like unanimously doing anything. Everything is a collective of ideas and things influencing each other piece.

Cristina: But why does it look like there's something wrong with it if it all works so well together?

Jack: Because.

Cristina: Oh, wait, that was about the illusion. The illusion is what makes it feel like it's all wrong when it's not.

Jack: Yes. The illusion that they're trying to portray makes it look f*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the illusion means nothing. Yeah, that's everybody trying to claim they have more power than they claim and trying to claim. Oh, no, we're the ones in trouble. You're the ones in control. When in reality you control the wrong thing, but they don't want you to know what you control. That's all them trying to trick you. The system isn't flawed. The people in the system are flawed, but no individual is flawed. Yeah, collectives of bad ideas and bad education are flawed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's pretty much it. I don't know how the f*** we got here, but that was a fascinating discussion. Although we're running out of time.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: Yeah. So I don't have any idea how we got here, but you know what? Great. Whatever. Anyways, we've had other conversations like this on this show before. Not exactly like this one particularly, but related to politics and sociology and human behavior and government and companies and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So if you like conversations of this type and this nature, you can find more conversations of this nature, which I hope you liked. You can find that on the official website, greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review it, please.

Cristina: Yes. And let people who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Be sure to tell people. Tell people about the show. See, there's a difference. At the beginning of the show, we tell you to kidnap somebody, but at the end we tell you there's certain people who are just gonna listen if you tell them. Yeah, but we need you to get those people who don't want to listen first.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then just tell people who are totally gonna be like, okay, I'll go listen.

Cristina: Yes. And then everyone wins.

Jack: And then everyone wins. We get all sides Yep, this has.

Cristina: Been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Sat patiently watching his co host, the maniacal laughs in the back of his mind begin to get louder and louder. He's screaming in laughter, but he stares blankly at her. She knows very little about what's happening in his mind other than what he's narrating for some given reason.

Cristina: Yeah. Why is he laughing? His mind.

Jack: He's preparing himself with laughter. Yes. The maniacal laughter in the back of his mind gets him ready. It preps him for the show. It brings the inner Wade Wilson fused with the Joker, forward into the limelight. For whatever reason, the light is lime. Could have just been a white spotlight, but it is a lime light.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, I guess in old movies it was limelight, wasn't it? Like, the stage light was this weird, like, off yellow. It was lime colored.

Cristina: Was it lime colored? It was just off yellow. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

December 05, 2020

Rambling 111: Shapeshifters

December 05, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

The Just Conversation Podcast, Vampire, Werewolf, Werewolves, Monsters, Scary, Terror, Horror, Aliens, Alien, Abduction, Lore, Folklore

What are the odds that all the creatures throughout folklore are the same species? Comparing Vampires, Werewolves, Chupacabras and deciding whether they are all just shapeshifters.

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On their hunt to capture a werewolf, the duo dive deeper into the lore, general information and what creatures might be relative to werewolves. Unbeknown to them, they’d discover some scary truths about other creatures and uncover knowledge that perhaps werewolves and their true kind never wanted humans, clones, the illuminati and garbage sub-humans to know. Find out what on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Blood Drinking Werewolves
Vampire Werewolves
Shapeshifter DNA
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How Vampires are Made
Counting Vampires
Werewolf Fairy Tales
Little Red Riding Hood
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Jack: Is werewolf just a shapeshifter? And if so, what other creatures has that shapeshifter turned into? That and more coming up on this episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable. A listening partner to share opinions and ideas on the topics we discuss. So be sure to find some body fancy and turn on something fancy that can play such a fancy pantsy show.

Cristina: We're fancy.

Jack: We're fancy.

Cristina: Yes, we're definitely. What makes something fancy?

Jack: I don't know. Anything around us is fancy.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Things around us are fancy.

Cristina: Okay, well, but they don't know what things you're talking about.

Jack: Anything.

Cristina: Anything is fancy around us. Around us?

Jack: Yes. So they play the show. Yes, they're fancy.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, we make things fancy.

Jack: Yes. Anything that's in the wave range of our voices is fancy.

Cristina: Are our ways giving them cancer? Like the 5G thing? Since those things can give cancer? What can't give cancer? Can our voices give cancer?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Are you pausing?

Jack: Not unless we want them to, no.

Cristina: Okay, well, for now, we just want them to be fancy.

Jack: Sometimes we give people cancer intentionally, but that's just for our enemies who are listening.

Cristina: What? What enemies are listening? We have enemies.

Jack: We have many enemies.

Cristina: What?

Jack: War enemies.

Cristina: War enemies. The cat people.

Jack: Yeah, sure, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know who's our enemy is. I feel like we're friends with everyone.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Yes. Our listeners consider us their best friends.

Jack: Some listeners. Some of them are our enemies.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, if you get cancer, you know who you are.

Jack: Actually, they have to trace their cancer back to the show.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And then they'll know who they are.

Cristina: And then they all know.

Jack: Until then, they have no clue who they are. They're just confused. It's like, who am I? Do I have an identity?

Cristina: What?

Jack: I just woke up listening to this show. I don't remember anything prior to this show. And then they go to the hospital to get tests and they're like, you got cancer. And they're like, ah, that's a double whammy.

Cristina: They don't know who they are and they got cancer. They think they're cancer. Then what?

Jack: Everybody who listens to the show, Their memory gets wiped of all knowledge except the show.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But when they go to the doctor, whether or not they have cancer, they know who they are and whether they're our enemy or not. But if they have cancer, they know they're our enemy. They're like, oh, my God, that's who I am. And also, I guess that makes me the enemy.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, wow.

Jack: They don't even think they're the good guy. They're like, I'm the bad guy.

Cristina: Mmm. And this happens every time they listen to our show?

Jack: Yes. Everybody who's ever listened to the show has immediately gone to the hospital afterwards because of amnesia.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Are we starting something?

Jack: It's kind of like that Pokemon thing where the kids got, like, seizure. Allegedly.

Cristina: Yeah. Everyone got seizures.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: After the news broke out that everyone's getting seizures.

Jack: Yes. It's weird. Dude, that's mass hysteria. For real.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That was in the mass hysteria episode, wasn't it? Yeah, it was, man. Yeah. Good episode.

Cristina: Yeah. Also, the vampires, when we talked about vampires and the history of, like, real.

Jack: Cases, that was all his nuns biting people and s***.

Cristina: I don't remember that. Nuns. I know. Nuns were singing.

Jack: Hold the.

Cristina: No, they were meowing.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Cristina: Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Jack: Not only do I have this inkling that Christ was a vampire, but we'll address that later. We have an actual case. Religious vampires. There were nuns f****** biting people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you mentioned that before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also in the Mass of Syria episode.

Cristina: Possibly. Yes.

Jack: Bro, were those nuns vampires or werewolves?

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, you go against the Church, you become one of them again.

Jack: Holy s***. There's already. Whoa. There's a couple of crossing lines there.

Cristina: Yeah. The Church is creating monsters.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, they are.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know, but if you remember from last time on Dragon Ball Z on Just Conversation. Well, last time when I was talking about werewolves, we were talking about two different types of werewolves. We were getting to something. To Adrenochrome.

Jack: We were getting to Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. We were getting to Adrenochrome. We were getting to werewolves that turn into vampires after they die, Right? Yes. And.

Jack: Wait, werewolves turn into vampires after they die?

Cristina: Yes. When they die. For some reason, they're. How was it? Okay. When they die. When werewolves die, their human body stays a human during the daytime, but at night, they still become werewolves. But instead of just craving flesh like they normally do, they Crave blood. Yes.

Jack: So. Oh, yeah, I remember that. But does that make them? I guess it does. But that really. And I guess, like we were talking about in that episode, that breaks into the idea that they're sort of two different souls fighting for one body. Or not souls, but living things. There's two things fighting for one body and the vampire is one of those things.

Cristina: And the vampire.

Jack: But the living other thing is dead.

Cristina: Yeah, it's dead. So it's just a vampire going to a dead body at night and turning into a wolf to drink blood. Yeah, that's what's going on. Maybe. I don't know. To solve that the living dead werewolf problem, they would have to destroy the body. The werewolf sneaking into the battlefield was back in Greece in the 19th century. But in parts of Germany, Poland and northern France, dead people will come back to life to drink blood as wolves. If they were living in mortals and evil people, when evil people died, they would become werewolves.

Jack: Drink blood. So there was no. Like you need something else to make you werewolves. Just being a bad person made you a werewolf?

Cristina: Yes. After death, though.

Jack: So werewolves are zombies.

Cristina: Yes. That drink blood.

Jack: That drink bloods of vampires?

Cristina: Yes, But I don't know why. But yes. And then they will return into their human form at the daylight, like the battle, the ones in Greece, I think.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: And they would need a priest to decapitate it and do an exorcism. Like, you know, when a regular demon goes into a body situation, I guess. And then the head would be thrown into a river. I don't know why, but you gotta throw that head into the river somehow.

Jack: That solves the problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The murder part had nothing to do with it.

Cristina: No. You just needed that head to throw into the river.

Jack: So if the head is not in the river. Boom. Still alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe it'll find its head, put it back on, and then continue on drinking blood.

Jack: So in theory, that body could still move around. It'll just be aimless.

Cristina: Yes, in theory, I guess. I don't know. Or maybe once the head is in the water, the body just can't move. It needs to know that the head is round to continue moving.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: And then new things about werewolves that we didn't mention before was, you know, the normal. They're vulnerable to silver and highly resistant to injury. Except that you could cut them. I mean, I guess that's not an injury you're forcing. You're like breaking them apart to kill them. Oh, those poor people who are. Who are mistaken as werewolves. I guess it Sucks for them. It sucks.

Jack: It goes back to, you know, how do you tell if somebody's a witch? You drown them. If they're dead, they're not a witch. But if they don't drown, they are a witch. So my question is, did they ever discover a witch? Because they probably just drown. Hella m************.

Cristina: Yeah. And the werewolf thing, I guess the werewolf test of, like, if they have fur under their skin, that's proof. I don't know. Well, that's a weird proof.

Jack: Yeah, it's like, oh, I guess he wasn't a werewolf.

Cristina: How many hands were cut? And if you put silver on them, I think their skin is supposed to burn as well.

Jack: Which they've probably also never seen.

Cristina: No. What if a person's allergic to silver? Is that a possibility?

Jack: I wonder if that's a thing. That's interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. How many people allergic to silver has that happened?

Jack: But, like, their skin wouldn't burn, they just get, like, a rash?

Cristina: No, they get a rash. Yeah. But they're gonna look.

Jack: And not even immediately. Not even immediately.

Cristina: How long after?

Jack: It would take a while to have a reaction.

Cristina: Oh, well, they'll wait for that and then say, that's a burn. And in places that wolves weren't a thing, there were other things that were very similar. Like in Africa, there was the were hyena. In India, a were tiger. In South America, there were were pumas and were jaguars. And in Asian countries, they had were foxes. That's pretty cool.

Jack: That'd be cool.

Cristina: Were fox.

Jack: A were fox. It's like a little anime girl.

Cristina: How do you like? So I have to move into one of those places. I wonder if turning into those were creatures are the same as a werewolf.

Jack: Like, you gotta drink their print water.

Cristina: Yes. Or be asleep in a summer day with the sun hitting your face on a Wednesday or Friday.

Jack: Look, man, if you're gonna become a fox. Yeah. You gotta be like, in an autumn field. And it has to be like a half a moon. And it needs to be out, like in dusk when the sun is still out. So you could get hit by both, because that's around the time you'll see a fox. And that's when you get hit by both of those. And the combined power. Boom. Now you are a fox. Human person thing. A were fox.

Cristina: But what if, because I was born in a place where wolves are common, I just end up being a werewolf?

Jack: You think that'd be interesting. So let's say hypothetically, this stuff is real.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the regional DNA is really what's making the transformation on the creatures of the area?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So if you went to an area where there were different creatures, would your DNA still be the DNA from your region? Because your DNA doesn't change.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What you have is in your DNA. Just because you went somewhere else doesn't mean you'd suddenly become like a were hyena. Because you went from the US to Africa. I wish you would just become a werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah. Slim.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Or were deer. I feel like it's always a dangerous animal. You can't be a were deer.

Jack: In that case it would like. That would be horrifying anyways. But in that case it would. You could be a were buffalo.

Cristina: Were. But it feels like it has to be something that eats meat.

Jack: Why? You could be a were buffalo and just beat the s*** out of somebody without eating them.

Cristina: But all those examples of all those were places had meat eating animals.

Jack: But why can't there be examples that are just something that'll beat like a were elephant? You just grow over size and everywhere you go.

Cristina: Haven't heard of it. There should be were hippos.

Jack: Were hippo. A were hippo. Like a hippo doesn't even need to eat meat. It's just gonna murder. It murders because it can just three.

Cristina: Times the size of a hippo. Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, man.

Cristina: That's too like if something like that.

Jack: Bipedal hippo freak.

Cristina: Yeah, a bipedal.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No, you would have three legs with one leg up.

Jack: Because hippos have an extra skinny short leg. You have three normal hippo sized legs and then one really skinny short leg, like abnormally short to fit the tiny, tiny, tiny tail the hippo has. And then that one leg pretends to be the hippo's tail.

Cristina: Yes. Because it's a smart hippo.

Jack: It's a smart hippo. That's so disturbing about like werewolves that they would even do that.

Cristina: Yes, but that is so disturbing. But anyways, lets talk about werewolves and vampires and the common traits of a werewolf and a vampire piece. I would love to talk about vampires. I want to compare and contrast. Well, we know that they're both creatures of the night.

Jack: Yes. Although I don't think it's exclusively creatures of the night for werewolves. There are versions of werewolves that are purebred werewolves that move in the daylight. I think they just need the full moon to transform. Or in some cases it's to transform.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like in other cases it just permanently keeps them transformed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So a lot of the versions of werewolf are that I'M only a werewolf as long as there's a full moon. And as soon as the full moon's gone, I'm not a werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it needs to be night so that the light of the moon is the most dominant light in the sky. So the moon could be full and outside, but you not be a werewolf because it's not the most dominant light in the sky. You're getting sunlight combined with moonlight. You need strong moonlight without the sun in the way. In the way to turn. In other cases, you are already carrying a werewolf DNA and you could become a werewolf, but you have to kill the werewolf that turned you into a werewolf before your next full moon, or you become permanently a werewolf. Those are two different variants. And in the case of that second option, you could become a werewolf day.

Cristina: Or night if you're a baby werewolf. If you're unrelated to the main werewolf, you could do it whenever.

Jack: If you've been bitten and turned into a werewolf, you don't need the full moon to turn into a werewolf.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: You just permanently get trapped as a werewolf after the full moon.

Cristina: And then after the full moon, though, then it has to be a full moon.

Jack: Interesting. Maybe those are two things that work together because you can. I don't know why it would stop you suddenly from being able to turn. Maybe because it could be like you turn whenever, but then after the full moon. Now you turn only on the full moon. I feel like that's less productive than you turning whenever.

Cristina: Yeah, but also for the vampire. Not all stories have vampires that are weak during the day or they have to sleep during daytime. That just became the favorite over time.

Jack: But usually they're hybrids.

Cristina: Hybrids?

Jack: Yeah. They're not pure vampires.

Cristina: How can you tell?

Jack: Because pure vampires can't go out in daylight.

Cristina: Well, in some stories, I guess. But some stories, some vampires can I believe.

Jack: Usually those are the very, very old vampires. And they still get affected by the sunlight. Like it burns slowly. So they can travel through the sunlight, but they can't stay in the sunlight.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, there's actually. I forgot what it was called. It's a breakdown of how vampires work. Like their age ranges or something like that. Really, they're. Before a certain point, going into the sunlight turns you into stone or it ignites your skin. Actually, yeah. One turns you into stone, the younger ones, and then they crumble or ash. It turns them into ash. Then somewhere in their teens, a vampirism, they get turned into stone. Then somewhere in their mid middle age, they get a vampirism. You could be any age, but like in the middle ages of being a vampire.

Cristina: So it would be like hundreds of years pass.

Jack: Yeah, hundreds of years or something like that. Maybe like 200 years. Your skin sets on fire, but you don't die instantly the way you do younger, where you get turned into stone or ash. Then later you get. Your body sizzles, but you do not ignite. And then finally your body gradually starts heating up so you can move through.

Cristina: Sunlight but sizzle like you tan or.

Jack: No, like your body will eventually burn the way it would. Like in all of these instances, your body's still burning, but it's slower and slower each time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At the first case you just turn to ash. In the second case you turn to stone and then to ash, but you gradually turn to stone.

Cristina: Yeah, but these are like hundreds or like years apart from each stage.

Jack: Yes, yes. We're talking like the first one within the first hundred years. Second one, Maybe the first two, 300 years. The third one maybe like 500 years. You know, giant gaps.

Cristina: Okay, so then in both situations then they. They're mainly at night still. Werewolves and vampires.

Jack: Not werewolves.

Cristina: Vampires, not werewolves. Okay.

Jack: Vampires are mainly at night. Werewolves have some ways around the rules.

Cristina: Yeah. Especially baby you, I guess, bitten ones. That's what you're saying.

Jack: Yeah. Because there are bits born werewolves, there's also born vampires that work very differently. There's the whole trade off of when a creature is born with the DNA and when a creature is turned. Now there's all. There are some versions of each of these that don't allow for birth to happen. So you can only become. You can't be born as.

Cristina: Yes. And the way they become, though, are the same. That they have to be bitten. Yes, that it has to be through blood or saliva.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And I think that's pretty much it that I could think of that they have in common, though.

Jack: But there are some crossing lines between werewolves and vampires that seem to be pretty similar.

Cristina: Yeah. Let's talk about vampires and where they come from, because we know werewolves are. Well, we really don't know much. We know that they could either be made or by gods getting revenge. Remember that? Yeah. Or wearing a furry belt.

Jack: Being a furry.

Cristina: Being a furry. Being bitten could turn you into a werewolf, of course.

Jack: Or drinking print water.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Or being outside in the moonlight.

Cristina: Vampires could be just evil people, people who committed suicide or witches that are coming back to life after they're dead because of. I guess evilness is bringing them back to dead from the dead. Yes. And they could Also be created by. By evil spirit or by being bitten by a vampire.

Jack: By evil spirit. Yeah. Being bitten by a vampire is normal. And what do they mean by evil spirit?

Cristina: Just like a spirit going into a dead body.

Jack: So a person who's possessed is a vampire?

Cristina: Yeah, could turn into a vampire.

Jack: So all the exorcist movies are about vampires?

Cristina: Yes, only if they suck blood. That's the important part. Right.

Jack: So vampires. A vampiric spirit.

Cristina: Yeah, a vampiric spirit will turn you into a vampire. Also, in Slavic and Chinese traditions, dead bodies that are jumped over by an animal, usually a dog or a cat, their chances of being a vampire is pretty great.

Jack: That's weird. I don't know why that's pretty weird. That's pretty weird.

Cristina: Yes. And in Russia, vampires were witches or people who had rebelled against the church.

Jack: My question is then, are they vampires who suck blood or are they describing these people as vampires? Is it like a title rather than a creature?

Cristina: I think it's a creature. I think they really believe they're going to become this creature that drinks blood after they're dead.

Jack: Okay, that's weird.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: I'm sure the Church made that up.

Cristina: You think the Church made that up?

Jack: Yeah, to control people into following the line.

Cristina: Mmm. But a lot of these stories came before the church, too. Like the jumping dog on the dead body predates Christianity. What, the dog jumping over a dead body? Possibly.

Jack: You think it predates Christianity? You're telling me that that myth of a animal jumping over a person and that person transforming predates Christianity? Running the world, which seems to be one of the longest running jokes in all of time.

Cristina: Do we have pet dogs before Christianity?

Jack: That doesn't mean that myth came to be.

Cristina: That's true. I don't know.

Jack: Even when the concept of werewolf came to be.

Cristina: Yeah, well, the Greek ones, that would have been pre Christianity, wouldn't it, if Zeus was turning you into a werewolf?

Jack: Is this, I guess, was turning people.

Cristina: Into werewolves just one dude for being bad?

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: So unless he was Zeus around when.

Jack: God was around, I'm sure they're brothers.

Cristina: Yeah. And some more weird vampire stuff that you probably did not know is that in Europe, to slow down a vampire, you would cut their tendons on their knees. Ow. The dead body. If you suspected that dead body to be a vampire, you would cut their knee.

Jack: That seems legit. But why? Oh, what's the owl for? They're dead.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. That's true. They're dead, so who cares? But it's such a weird. No, I guess I'm still thinking about the werewolves and like how you're torturing these living people to see. But these are dead people, so it's okay.

Jack: Yeah, you just mutilated that body. It's all good.

Cristina: That's fine. And then you also would place seeds, millet, sand around the grave. Because vampires love counting things, I guess. I don't know. No, because the sesame vampire.

Jack: It's because your f****** name is the Count. Is that why the Count?

Cristina: What? Vampires have to count things. I don't know why. They just do.

Jack: That's so crazy that they have to.

Cristina: They have this obsession of counting things.

Jack: To count all the sugar grains around them. Come on, man.

Cristina: Yes. If you have a lot of. A little bit of things like sand, they just. You'll trap a vampire.

Jack: That doesn't make sense. And why is a vampire functional at all? When they're in the forest, why aren't they just counting all the rocks? Big a** holes in that f****** plant?

Cristina: Because they're not in the forest, they're in graves.

Jack: Why aren't they counting all the dead bodies and all the insects in the.

Cristina: We don't know. They didn't do that before. They had to drink blood. They counted really fast and then they went to get food.

Jack: Nah, man. There's holes here.

Cristina: Yeah, that's in Europe. But China also has the same thing where a sack. You throw a sack of rice in front of a vampire, they have to count every grain of rice.

Jack: No, I disagree. That doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: How do you know the weakness of.

Jack: A vampire is not a bag of rice?

Cristina: Yes, you slow them down that way. How did you not? Have you heard of that before?

Jack: I've heard about it. I just don't believe it.

Cristina: Yeah, how are we to judge? We haven't seen it. We haven't tried it out.

Jack: Because then it's easy to beat them.

Cristina: Well, then you have to actually attack them afterwards. I guess that would be the hard part.

Jack: Just keep throwing bags of f****** rice.

Cristina: What happens when you run out of it?

Jack: You won't. You won't.

Cristina: And we don't know how fast they can count.

Jack: Not fast enough. You just keep throwing bags of rice. Yeah, they aren't lightning. Yeah, they're fast, but not light.

Cristina: You try to lead them to a beach.

Jack: Yeah, I wonder if that. Yeah, that's it. They're done. You win.

Cristina: They're just frozen. They're counting the sand.

Jack: How could they even differentiate beyond some point? How do they know what they've Counted?

Cristina: I don't know. They just have to restart. It's a mess. It's a vampire nightmare. Yeah, that's why you don't see vampires on the beach.

Jack: How do they know, man? Like, how does a vampire exit their grave and make it out? Because there's trees maybe.

Cristina: It has to be just tiny things because all these things are really tiny.

Jack: So they're like Valley Girls and like Tokyo party girls that they just love tiny things.

Cristina: Yes. Yes they are. Why are you judging these vampires who are obsessed with tiny things and need to count them all?

Jack: Apparently. Do they also shop at the Gap? The f***?

Cristina: And to protect yourself against vampires? Well, you probably know all these things. Garlic, the Bible, crucifix, holy water and mirrors. Ward off the vampire.

Jack: I'm 95% sure the church has nothing.

Cristina: To do with that.

Jack: No, the Bible created a vampire.

Cristina: The Bible created a vampire.

Jack: I'm sure reading from the Bible is how vampires are made. It's like making holy water.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like a passage out of the Bible into a cup or something.

Cristina: And then what? Then you turn it to holy water.

Jack: It's turned into holy water? I guess.

Cristina: I don't really know.

Jack: Boil it.

Cristina: Boil it.

Jack: You boil the h*** out of it. And then it's holy water.

Cristina: And then it's holy water.

Jack: Yeah, because you boiled the h*** out of it.

Cristina: Well, so tell me that doesn't make sense. Huh? And vampires are unable to cross sacred ground like churches and temples. And for some reason they can't cross water. I don't know if water is also sacred or they just can't swim or. Now what's going on?

Jack: Let's look at a couple of descriptions of vampires, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you're already excessively white, it's hard to call you pale per se. In the dead of night, you're just white. But if you're already dark skinned, then it's easy to say that person is pale because they are a different kind of dark skin that looks kind of like if you put a fade filter over something that they have like that kind of pale off color look.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this goes back to the racist ideology that black people can't swim. And also saying that black people were the vampires, you're saying they were the.

Cristina: Vampires and the werewolves.

Jack: I'm saying white people made all of these up, which means the white person has to be the hero according to the white person, which means the monster had to be the non white person.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Why are you ruining these creatures?

Jack: Because white people are racist.

Cristina: Well, we Know that.

Jack: Who is it who isn't racist? Like, fair enough. Who's not racist? Anybody who's like, only the white people are racist. Like, shut up. Shut up. Had you been in that position, you'd call them vampires.

Cristina: I call them vampires.

Jack: Although the witches were also colored women.

Cristina: Weren't they just women?

Jack: They were colored women.

Cristina: They were young women. I thought, yeah, young colored women crazy.

Jack: A lot of the time.

Cristina: Or older ladies. I don't know.

Jack: Colored women a lot of the time, yes.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's why the voodoo priestess thing is very commonly the black woman. That all. It's coming back from the same tree of. Oh, they do magic, those witches. Those are the black women.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: That just branches down now.

Cristina: They're werewolves, vampires and witches, which are.

Jack: All just white people coming up with different derogatory names and s*** for just ways to get black people killed.

Cristina: Okay. What? Yeah, it's crazy. That's so messed up. But anyway, vampires can't enter the house unless you invite them over.

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: Yeah. And they can go come and go after that point. It's just the first time thing, which they need your permission, but once you give it to them, that's it.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: I don't know why, but I don't know, I wonder.

Jack: Because it's. Let's see, things that have those same rules. There are, like, the Bible has those rules. You gotta let Jesus into your heart and give them permission. You gotta give them permission. Do you accept Christ as your savior? No. Then he can't come in. And vampires have to also do that same thing. Werewolves don't give a s***. They'll break in.

Cristina: Yeah, but the werewolf stories, they didn't seem to break into any place. They were just outside waiting for you.

Jack: Yeah, interesting, maybe.

Cristina: So maybe they can't come in.

Jack: But they don't have the capacity to communicate, to try to convince you. Like, can I come in?

Cristina: Yes. Except for that werewolf. In that story of the Little Red.

Jack: Riding Hood, she asked for permission.

Cristina: Yeah, He. To the. I think to get in the first time with the old lady, he had to be like, I'm, you know, I'm Little Red Riding Hood. You gotta let me in. And she's like, okay. And then she let him in. And then he, you know, did all.

Jack: That interesting twist on that because for the three little pigs, he also asked for permission to go in. And he said, if you're not gonna let me in, I'll knock your f****** house down.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He can't just break in. Dude, you could Blow their house down.

Cristina: But he can't go into their door in. Maybe they have the same rule.

Jack: Holy s***. I think they have the same rules.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: They're just at least that polite about it. They're not gonna be like, hey, can I come in for a cup of dinner?

Cristina: Because they can't communicate that way.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting, interesting. So then my question is what we know that tales like these children's tales come from either warnings that adults have created for children to warn them about bads of the world without making them scared of people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or real events that have happened in people's that they're warning about in a more literal sense. In the case of the Three Little Piggies and Little Red Riding Hood, were those situations with real werewolves? Because in both cases they were in the forest where the werewolf hangs out.

Cristina: But they called them wolves. They were just wolves.

Jack: Of course. Of course.

Cristina: But it's to not scare the kids from werewolves, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. Because you were talking about a human talking to a wolf.

Cristina: I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: And the three Little pigs, hams, those are just white people.

Cristina: They were calling themselves little pigs. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why didn't they pick something else?

Jack: Just a way to make a cute story, I guess. But they're talking to a werewolf or something.

Cristina: Mmm. Yeah.

Jack: And so that werewolf, they were maybe having a legit conversation with a werewolf in those stories. Like, what's the real, the groove version of it, you know? Like, is there a f****** werewolf in these situations that they're having a conversation with? In the case of Little Red Riding Hood, the werewolf can't get in because this goes back to what we're talking about. These lines are crossing heavily because there are the same rules. They kind of have the same timelines, they have the same ways of turning into one another. Are we just talking about a shapeshifter? Take many different forms, but it doesn't matter because the same rules for turning into the same rules for entering property, the same rules for defeat to some degree are all there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You got to remove the head of a vampire the same way you got to remove the head of a f****** werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The bite turns you. In both cases, usually killing the one who turned you turns you back. If you do it before a certain period of time or whatever.

Cristina: So it's all the same story.

Jack: Interesting. In vampire's case, you have to kill the vampire before your bloodlust gets to you, before you have to feed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you kill the vampire who turned you before you feed. The way you kill the wolf who turned you before the full moon so.

Cristina: You'Re not permanently permanent.

Jack: Same way you're not permanent a vampire if you kill the other one before you drink human blood. If you drink human blood, you stay a vampire.

Cristina: So it's the same story. It's just about a different creature. But it's practice. It's practically the same creature. Maybe.

Jack: Yeah, there's some real close lines there.

Cristina: Yeah. And although, like I mentioned before, although vampires were believed to be more active at night, they were not generally considered vulnerable to the sunlight. I don't know. Like, through time they've become weaker to the sun. But originally the sun wasn't their weakness or anything. They just like to move around during the night.

Jack: It was just easier at night.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess because you can catch.

Jack: People at home, people out. You can't. How hard is it to feed outside with streets filled with people?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially when everybody's walking.

Cristina: But if it's the same with werewolves, like, you gotta wait for night because.

Jack: That'S the easier time. You could just, like, attack people on their own versus groups.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm. That could be it. What? What? And the different methods of destroying a vampire. Or I guess, murder. I guess you can't really say murder because it's already dead.

Jack: It's not dead. Neither a vampire nor a zombie are dead.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We've established this.

Cristina: But it's. The person who was. The vampire is dead, though.

Jack: Disagree.

Cristina: No. You think the person's still alive?

Jack: Yes, I think in both cases the person is alive. You're just talking about level of brain function in the case.

Cristina: I mean, the original person. Like, if a vampire takes over your body, you're not there anymore.

Jack: I don't think there's a different per. I think a vampire is like, interview with a vampire. Like, that guy remembers his past life, he remembers all of it, and he's like, man, I wish I could go back to being that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, I'm here now. I can't stop it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That seems real to me versus, I guess I just see to exist.

Cristina: Okay. Because that's how it sounds like, though. Like, a demon comes into your dead body.

Jack: And in the case of you being possessed and thus being a vampire. I guess. Yeah, but you turning into a vampire, that's not something else invading you. That's you who already exists. Turning. Turning into a vampire.

Cristina: Yeah, well. Okay, well, when you turn into a vampire, the things we gotta do to get rid of you is taking you through the heart and some. And through the mouth. For some reason. I don't know why the mouth, but.

Jack: The brain, maybe you're trying to hit the brain, maybe.

Cristina: And the stomach. Those are the three good spots.

Jack: So you mean, like where the heart is, the brain is, or like, organs. Vital organs. So essentially the way you'd kill a human.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do that and you'll kill a vampire?

Cristina: Definitely. Well, yeah. Yeah, it's exactly the same.

Jack: Sounds about right. I feel like a lot of things could be killed that way.

Cristina: Also, getting rid of the head and then burning it.

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Oh, burying the head between the feet or behind the b*** or away from the body for some reason. You just got to keep that head away once you get it off the.

Jack: Body, because the body is gonna go get it the same way a werewolf would.

Cristina: But if you hide it behind its b***, can it just get it?

Jack: Not if you tie its hands in the front and you tape the head to the b***. How would he get the head if his hands are tight in front of him? You can also do it the opposite way and tie his hand behind him. And if he's a guy, you can hang his own head off of his own d***, tape it against her. So he's forever blowing himself, but he can't do anything but blow himself, but blow himself for all of eternity.

Cristina: Whoa. Revenge on that vampire. Revenge.

Jack: Also something that applies to anyone and everyone, except in most cases, those people are dead. And you just made a corpse blow itself.

Cristina: Yes. Why? Whatever. We're crazy. You can't blame us. We're crazy.

Jack: Yeah. There's something wrong with humans for sure.

Cristina: And also, pouring boiling water over the grave. What?

Jack: To, like, super make sure.

Cristina: I guess instead of burning it, you don't got fire. Use water.

Jack: Here's the thing. I think the grave, like, is the grave already covered back up?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Because if it's, like, there's a bunch of dirt, like, that dirt's gonna, like, cool that water down.

Cristina: We should probably do it to the body. If we're gonna burn the body, why not boil the body as well?

Jack: With, like, oil?

Cristina: With oil.

Jack: With oil, not water. Going easy.

Cristina: Yeah. Also, vampires could be shot or drowned, of course, or sprinkled by holy water.

Jack: So everything plus demon stuff. So a vampire is basically a person and could die any way you'd kill a person.

Cristina: Plus exorcism.

Jack: Plus exorcism.

Cristina: Although I feel like if you exercise a human, they might die too.

Jack: Some of the methods of exorcism would kill a normal human.

Cristina: Yes. That's why there has been cases where humans who were exercised go to court against the church because, like, I had mental problems and you destroyed me. That's been real thing that has happened, too.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. And then you could also put garlic in its mouth and then shoot a bullet through the coffin.

Jack: So, like, I don't feel you need the garlic at that point. Like, you could just.

Cristina: If you just do one, it won't work.

Jack: Just shoot him. He's fine. But if he's got garlic and you shoot him, boom, you solve that problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Isn't the garlic what's being effective there? Why don't you just fill, like, prison style instead of filling a bag up with soap?

Cristina: And if you don't have garlic, you could use lemon. You put lemon in its mouth.

Jack: So like, maybe being a vampire is more of a, like, genetic disorder where, like, you're just allergic to a bunch of s***.

Cristina: You're just allergic to a bunch of.

Jack: You're allergic to garlic and lemons. And then they put them there and you, like, super weak and dying and can't breathe, and then they shoot you.

Cristina: Duh. Oh, I forgot to mention. Oh, my gosh. This story. To find the graves of vampires. Oh, my gosh. You need to have a virgin boy riding a virgin horse. And then the horse will get scared at the grave that the vampire is in.

Jack: Because vampires rape virgin boys and horses.

Cristina: I don't know. I just think the priest might need help to know which one's the virgin.

Jack: I do, too. I think that's exactly what's happening. I think this goes back to white people in power and the church, for whatever reason.

Cristina: But why a virgin horse? You think he needs the horse too?

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: When he can't have the boy, he'll have the horse.

Jack: No, no, no. He's gonna have the boy, but he's also gonna have the horse.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Also, graves with hoes over it. I guess, like, hoes are appearing on top of the grave.

Jack: That's an arm that poked out.

Cristina: I guess maybe that's what they think happened.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And they're just holes there. Maybe someone's trying to actually steal that grave or something.

Jack: I think it's the other way around. I think they accidentally buried a living person who was like, I could do it.

Cristina: I can do it. I can get out, get out. Then that person suffocates and dies, but they think it's a vampire. So they're gonna put a lemon in its mouth and shoot it?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, pretty much. If they. I wonder how many times that happened. They accidentally. Like, somebody was in a coma or passed out. Or some s***. They threw him in a grave, and they. The person gains consciousness while in this hole.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they're trying to get out, and they're like, it's a vampire. F****** shoot it. Not Jimmy was alive. F****** kill it. It's a zombie or something.

Cristina: Nope, just shoot it. That's so crazy, taking no chances.

Jack: I think that's why it's a law or some s*** that you got to dig a shallow grave when you put somebody at the beginning.

Cristina: Really.

Jack: I think so. I'm not really sure.

Cristina: I know they have, like, bells on graves just in case they bury a person alive so you can ring that bell. I don't even know if that's a true story. That might just have been a legend. And then people just took it too seriously and were like, just in case this happens to me, I want a bell on my grave.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But I don't know.

Jack: Maybe I'll be buried alive.

Cristina: Mm. So now that's enough vampire talks. Let's talk about other creatures that are. That can transform and drink blood. I guess that's the important thing we need that's in common with vampires and werewolves and chupacabras.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And the first creature up is wendingos, and I. Not really sure what a wendigo look like. It's a creature that takes over a body, and that person goes mad and eats people.

Jack: Now, to my understanding, a wendingo kind of looks like a werewolf.

Cristina: I don't think so. Do they?

Jack: I do think so, but I don't. Here's the. Here's the difference. I don't think they look like it. Depictions of them look like it. Yeah, that's the problem. When dingoes are depicted, it's kind of looking like werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah. But then they go inside the human, and then the human does these acts.

Jack: I don't think the wind dingo looks like that. I think the human dingo combo looks like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Because there's a. The original wendigo that turns.

Jack: That's just.

Cristina: Yeah, but like a werewolf and a vampire that they have to be bitten. This thing bites, I guess, quote unquote, the. The victim, and then he turns into a win dingo and then he murders everyone.

Jack: Yes. There you go.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they turn to something that looks like a werewolf in depictions, in depictions.

Cristina: Okay. But from the stories, it just. It's really crazy when dingles, after being after a person is. Becomes a win dingle. They just. They have an incredible need for greed, murder, and cannibalism. Even though there might Be food around, they'll still murder.

Jack: So they're like just aggressively wrathful and violent.

Cristina: Yes. There's been like two cases about Wendingell's. One case was in 1878 where a guy named Swift Runner and his family were starving and there was emergency food 25 miles away. And for some reason, instead of the guy going to get the food, Swift Runner just killed and ate his family, which were like I think five other people. And then he eventually confessed to the crime and got executed.

Jack: But he doesn't sound like he was a win dingo. He sounds like a f****** lunatic who was clear minded.

Cristina: Probably blamed the Wendigo. Yeah, yeah. That's why I think happened. I mean it could be just a crazy guy.

Jack: Sounds like a crazy guy.

Cristina: That's what. There's the debate over this Wendingo thing. Like are these really people that. What is. Are these people? Do these people really believe that they got the spirit taking over them to kill an ether family which makes them a schizophrenic or are they lying and just. They want. They kill their family and they need.

Jack: An excuse, which is where the Wendingo comes in.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't know, like in theory.

Jack: If you're in a place that's superstitious enough, you could get away with that.

Cristina: If you're. Yeah, I guess. But he didn't get away with that. And they've also. There was another case where just the person who takes care of the Wendingo problem got in trouble because he was killing the Wendigo, which is really. He was killing people.

Jack: So he was a serial killer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Picked very specific people, killed them and said they were possessed by Wendingo.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, that's. Wow.

Jack: That's a clever way. But that just goes back to the serial killer who was pretending he was hearing the voice of a dog.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly what these cases reminded me of. Because that's what they were arguing. Like whether is he really hearing a demon talk to him saying kill these people or is he using that as excuse to kill these people?

Jack: He was the Son of Sam, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they were basically doing the Son.

Cristina: Of Sam shtick before he.

Jack: Before the son. Which case. That makes the Son of Sam the. The f****** copycat killer.

Cristina: Oh, maybe. But he wasn't eating people, so it wasn't the same type of crime he was committing.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: He was just shooting ladies.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: But claiming that the reason was.

Cristina: Was because of a demon dog.

Jack: Yeah, I was hearing demon dog.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And thus I went ahead and did the crime.

Cristina: Yeah. So it might be the same case. I don't know. And then there's this other creature that's called the witchooge, which is a man eating creature that could also possess people. It's like an ancient giant animal in its natural form, I think. And then it goes into regular people.

Jack: Like an ancient giant animal. Like that physical creature.

Cristina: Like a spirit animal.

Jack: Forest spirit. Like Shinto.

Cristina: Yeah, like a giant spirit animal comes inside of Zelda.

Jack: Twilight Princess with the floating animal spirits that you gotta collect the gems from and keep them kind of in reality.

Cristina: I have no idea. I don't remember that. But yes. These giant spirit animals come inside you.

Jack: They come inside you they come inside you these giant spirit animals come inside.

Cristina: You youu can become. Oh, it's huge. By breaking a taboo or becoming too strong. I don't know what too strong means, but like maybe you work out too much and then you become now a man eating creature.

Jack: Out of curiosity, do you actually eat people or you beat the s*** out of them is a common trait. Beating the s*** out of them?

Cristina: No, it's eating so they don't beat.

Jack: The s*** out of people.

Cristina: No, I mean, maybe, I don't know. But it seeks to eat people.

Jack: Interesting. Have they seen people? Have they seen people possessed by this? Are there stories of people?

Cristina: There's just stories of people because it's.

Jack: Possible that the steroids of that time were causing roid rage. And that's what they mean by too strong.

Cristina: Too strong? Yeah.

Jack: Then you're having blind rages over dumb s*** and just beating the s*** out.

Cristina: Of people to death, fighting them. And then they're like, ah, he's a wetchug. Well, you want to hear about the taboos that you shouldn't break?

Jack: I guess it could be witch hudge. So long as there's a GE at the end, which Hudge. Either way it works.

Cristina: You want to hear about the taboos yet you should not break.

Jack: Taboos for what? For the witch. Huge.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For the witch Hudge.

Cristina: Yes, go for it. There's probably a bunch, but three of them. A person that has that takes gets a picture of them with a flash. I guess that flash is a taboo. If you get a picture of you taken with a flash is one listening to music made of stretched string like a guitar and eating meat with fly eggs in it. Don't break those taboos.

Jack: And that's it. You don't become a witchage.

Cristina: Yes, that and don't become too strong.

Jack: Guess that's it for working Out?

Cristina: Yes. This creature seeks out to eat people and attempts to lure them away by being cunning. I don't know what the cunningness is.

Jack: Smart. Clever.

Cristina: No, I. I know that I don't know what they use to be cunning.

Jack: Oh.

Cristina: Like what? How do. Like, do they. If it's a child, the cunning would be like, here's candy. Come with me. I'm not gonna eat you.

Jack: So Ted Bundy was a wet judge, is he?

Cristina: Mmm. Oh, and some of these things, the true form of it is made out of ice and it's very strong and you can kill it by throwing it on campfire and you keep it there overnight and then it melts away and then you're done with the problem.

Jack: So they are ice monsters.

Cristina: Yeah. I guess you become an ice monster eventually, is what's happening. Not the true form, because the true form, I think, is the spirit creature thing.

Jack: So a wendingo and a witch are exactly the same thing? Essentially, yeah. Most likely regional derivatives of each other.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they all involve getting a person who turns into them.

Cristina: Yes. To turn into them. Yep.

Jack: Do they have rules for entry or anything of that nature? Do you have to, like, let them in?

Cristina: No, I think you just gotta be a really bad person. Or. I don't. The first one, I don't know. The second one, it sounds like becoming too strong.

Jack: This worked out too much. And now I'm a monster.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. I guess the first one might be like being too greedy for some reason or it turns you into being too greedy. I'm not really sure what comes first.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Are you greedy beforehand or not? I don't know. But being a weshog is considered a curse and a punishment. So I guess that is if you're bad, you're gonna be cursed and then you're gonna want to eat people. I guess some werewolf stories are like that too. It's just a curse put on you sometimes. Alright, we're running out of time. What do you think of all that information?

Jack: I think that's pretty interesting. I think that that holds makes a pretty good argument for a werewolf, vampire, Chupacabra, the Win Dingo and the Wetchudge to be kind of different people's tales of the same creature, whether it be different eras in time or different regions giving it different names, but referring to the same thing. It's sort of the God problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like if you're Islamic, you say Allah. If you are Christian, you say Jehovah. But if I showed you a picture of the one true God both of, and you Some, for whatever reason, knew exactly what he looked like. Both groups would aim at the same thing. Yeah, I think it's that case.

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: I think that if everybody knew for a fact what you mean when you say vampire or wetchudge or werewolf or win dingo or chupacabra, and I brought up a single photo of a shapeshifter and you just happen to know for a fact what these creatures look like. You'd all aim at the one picture I'm holding and realize, oh, f***, we were talking about the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. It's interesting that some shapeshifters like to be animals over human, though. The vampire is the only form that it's like. It prefers being human, I guess, in a way. Maybe the Wendigle too. I'm not sure.

Jack: Here's an interesting point that I'll make before we get out of here, which is the possibility that the intellectual level of the creature allows for a more complex transformation. So that if you can have the capacity of a person, you are a particularly intelligent shapeshifter. You can imitate a human.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thus you turn into a vampire if you are more animalistic, but can sort of get there. Maybe all their goals is trying to get to the human where they could just blend in to the best creature to eat.

Cristina: Yes. The whole thing is to shapeshift into their meal so it can be easier for them to get closer to their meal.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Except for the werewolf fails the most, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But they are able to turn into a creature that's around their food.

Jack: Yes. So the idea is always the blend in. Not necessarily to imitate their food, but to blend into their environment so their food doesn't know they're there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in the case of a werewolf, they don't have the complexity to take this s*** because I guess you have to also behave the part.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So maybe you have the capacity to become a human, but you have to be able to imitate a human brain because we're assuming you're an anomalous being. Otherwise.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're understand, your quote, brain, unquote, is a different thing. And so you imitate a human perfectly, then you behave like a human. If you can imitate a superhuman, you are a vampire. There are way less of that than there are werewolves. Way more werewolves. Because you can do that easier because you're not fully human looking, you're more animalistic looking. It takes less effort than becoming a human. Yeah, well, becoming a human takes less effort than looking like a vampire. So it's really about capacity.

Cristina: What? Yes.

Jack: And like a wendingo and a wet church are way down the totem pole down there with like werewolves. Werewolves, yeah, yeah, they're down there with those creatures. Yeah, same thing. While the Chupacabra is the furthest thing, it's nothing like a human.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's notably a weird creature.

Cristina: Yeah, it looks like it's trying to be too much creatures at once, kind of.

Jack: Then so does the werewolf.

Cristina: Looks like it's just being wants to be a werewolf, doesn't it?

Jack: Well, a werewolf isn't a f****** thing. A werewolf is a creature that looks like a combination of a wolf and a human.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay, I see.

Jack: So the idea here would be that maybe when we're talking about shape shifters, we're not just talking about one thing, although we kind of are. We're talking about sort of the difference between a Chihuahua, a Rottweiler, a greyhound. Like maybe there are different kinds of shape shifters. They're all the same general thing. Like I can call every animal. I just said a dog. Yes, but they're also different kinds of dogs. Yes. Different species within the same branch thing or not different species, different races of the same species.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So maybe there are different races within the same species of shapeshifter, which allows for more complicated transformation in the future.

Cristina: I would like to go on to that. Hopefully we'll get there eventually. Of talking about the different species of shape shifts shifters.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: But just get, I would like to stick to the blood drinking though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because there's a million shapeshifters. Of course, yeah.

Jack: There's even animals that drink blood.

Cristina: There's animals. Oh yeah.

Jack: There's normal animals that drink blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That seems to be a trait which tells us there might be creatures that exist in nature that are already sort of connected.

Jack: Two shapeshifters. They might have a branching like DNA strand or something.

Cristina: Maybe. Fascinating, interesting. Okay.

Jack: But it'll. It'll be way easier when we finally capture this werewolf we've been hunting down and we can bring that f***** in, put him in a cage, probably next to the Reptilians, Cause f*** them, send that b**** to Mars. Now that we've built that whole study facility up there. So we'll send that to Mars with the rest of the f****** things we've got up there and we'll run some experiments and find out what we're gonna do with that. Well, we find out, maybe we can get it just to turn into something that doesn't look like a werewolf, but we're closing in. Yeah, closing in. The sub humans are out there doing their job.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys enjoy this topic, there are millions of this sort on the show. You can find many episodes where we're discussing things of this nature, a bunch of different types of creat. Previous, more primitive versions of this conversation. We don't touch on the same things that we touched on here, but we kind of brush around the different subject matters, including the Chupacabra, shapeshifters and things of other things and shapes like reptilians and whatnot, even alien creatures who might potentially be the Chupacabra in the first place. To find those episodes, you guys can find them on the official website, greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcast.

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Jack: Yes, the power of word of mouth is the greatest power in the whole wide world. And that makes you a superhero, technically speaking.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: That's how they sounded like. Okay, you know how they sound like I've heard it. I don't know what's happening there. I mean, I guess that's what. Yes. I remember as a child listening to my parents.

Jack: And that's what it sounded like. Yeah, just gibberish. Like you didn't understand s***.

Cristina: Not that, like, if you're bored and you don't, you're not really paying attention, but you have to pay attention because maybe you did something bad or whatever, and they're just trying to explain something.

Jack: And you're like, somehow I doubt there was a moment in your life in which you did something bad.

Cristina: The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 21, 2020

Rambling 110: Cannibal Thanksgiving

November 21, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

Thanksgiving, comedy, cannibal, werewolf, creepy, scary, just conversation, the just conversation podcast, legend, urban legend, mythology, science, folklore

Are there still cannibals in the world? Do they eat people on thanksgiving? A Thanksgiving Special discussing human meat and cannibal dishes throughout history.

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On this very special episode, the clones discuss all the possible ways to have family and friends over for dinner and situations throughout history in which cannibalism was either needed for survival or desired. From Jamestown to Indigenous Australians and more. The truth about Cannibalism is as surprising as what the duo discover human meat tastes like. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Jamestown Settlement
Christopher Columbus
Cannibalism
Jane Doe’s Body
Batman vs Green Arrow
Agreed Cannibalism
Jeffrey Dahmer
The Taste of Human
Mummy Medicine
Cannibal Animals
Wendigo

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Jack: With Thanksgiving coming and it being the era of COVID many of us are losing family members and loved ones. So we're not gonna have them all at the table. But have you ever wondered if it's possible for you to still have your deceased family for dinner? I mean, literally, have you ever wondered if you can literally eat your deceased family for dinner? Well, on this episode, we're gonna find out if that's all. That and more, coming up on Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on the topics we discuss. So be sure to go get somebody. You don't need to know who they are. You could just go outside and find someone. You know, it's easy, man.

Cristina: You make it sound like it's something bad, though, that they're about to do.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally easy. Yeah. You kidnap them, you tie them up, you put them in chains, you put them on a boat, you sail over to where the podcast is being showcased. You let them off the boat, you tell them you're going to watch this.

Cristina: Why is there a boat involved?

Jack: Why wouldn't there be a boat involved?

Cristina: You're going. Are you sailing to the place and then sailing back from the place that.

Jack: You know, now they just stay there. You're not taking. Why would you go get them, do a whole boat ride, and then be like, well, I was just your ride here. Now I'm taking. No. Now you own them.

Cristina: No. Yeah, but I mean, you're leaving your home on a boat to them and then bringing them back to your home on a boat.

Jack: No, you're not bringing them to your home. You're just getting them to take them to where the show is being aired.

Cristina: Oh. Which is not their home.

Jack: Which is not your home there.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Now you own a bunch of people.

Cristina: Yes. That sounds just. That sounds right. Right.

Jack: Sounds right. No. Fair enough. We've established in the past that Thanksgiving seemingly had nothing to do with the slaves or pilgrims or natives. Thanksgiving has nothing to do with anything. We thought it had anything to do with.

Cristina: It has to do with the lizard people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Remember?

Jack: But that's none of the other stuff that's none of the intuitive. It was pilgrims who brought slaves and enslaved natives and like made white people somehow.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because here's the idea, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they come from Europe, the conquistadores. Presumably one of the non British parts of Europe, because that was just the original settlers that came avoiding England. But we have like the. The Spaniards and those douchebags traveling the coast. They're not the coasty islands. Kidnapping people and dropping them off on different islands. Sprinkling black people on the islands here. Some for you and some for you. And then the black people mixing with the natives that were there at the same time that the. That the span Spaniards and the Portuguese and the Italians were f****** all of them. So there's like.

Cristina: Can I say something about the Spaniards, though?

Jack: What?

Cristina: That their queen was like, you can't enslave anyone unless they're cannibals. And then they're like, they're cannibals. And then.

Jack: No f****** way. Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, they said they're all cannibals.

Cristina: Of course. Like. Yep, these people are cannibals. We're witnessing cannibalism everywhere we go. I guess we gotta enslave them.

Jack: So the queen. Hey, Bob. Yeah, Jeff? We can't put these people in cages. Why not? Because the queen said only if they're cannibals. Well, well, look, dude, don't you see them eating each other? Nah, dude. No, no, no, you're not understanding. Don't you see them eating each other? Ah, I see where you're coming from. Yeah, I see them meeting each other. You see, we have to enslave them. They're savages, all of them.

Cristina: Yep, that was Christopher Columbus there.

Jack: That's crazy. Yeah, I mean, it's all f***** because then we have the people who came from England and established that first settlement, Jamestown, and then they all ate each other. So, like, the f****** conquistadors were the cannibals, Technically speaking.

Cristina: But they're not the people from Jamestown, though. The British. The British people aren't the conquistadors.

Jack: Yeah, no, I'm saying that the original settlers aren't conquistadores. Well, actually, the conquistadores never really came to the United States.

Cristina: They just saw it. That's it. Or like, what? Where did they end up? Just on islands or something?

Jack: Christopher Columbus didn't ever land in what is now known in the United States as America. He landed in America. Not in the United States. South America.

Cristina: In South America, Yeah. Okay, that makes sense, because Spanish. Yes, yes.

Jack: The British landed in central, in the center of North America, and they spread out north, which is why we have such a US Canada thing going on.

Cristina: That's UK based. Yeah, well, Canada is French, so is that.

Jack: There was some touchy feely stuff going on there too. Yeah, there's a little bit of a joint stuff going, but that was more war related, I think.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, I have no idea. I'm terrible at history. All of this is probably wrong.

Cristina: No, it's all facts.

Jack: See, here's the thing. Intuitively, all of this makes sense. Yes, The United States and Canada were definitely visited by the original settlers, which created New England, which is that Boston main eastern area and s***. Jamestown being the first settlement of people who turned out to be cannibals. So the white people are the cannibals, of which the Hispanic white people were like, we're gonna trap the cannibals. Which weren't the black people or the natives, but they arrested all of them anyways because the white people who were eating each other did have guns. And it's like, we're not gonna. With those people. We're gonna go with the people who don't have guns. The British.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Of course, they never even met the British. They just sailed through all the islands and landed in Mexico and then went south from there.

Cristina: And the thing with Jamestown, they finally found evidence, like physical evidence. Besides, I think they had like written letters from the time of what happened.

Jack: What, of the first of the cannibalism? Yeah, that winter. What was it? The. The winter of the fight of 1702 or some s*** like that.

Cristina: From 1609 to 1610. What year did you say?

Jack: I thought it was like 17. I was a whole hundred years off. I was a whole hundred years too early.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, too late late. Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I was 200. I was 100 years too late.

Cristina: Close enough, but yeah, doing. Yes, the winter was really bad because there's the Indians. They were trying to do business with different Indians and one of the Indians were like, nah, you can't do that, and started killing them off every time they saw them.

Jack: But to my understanding, there were two settlements already established and they had a trade route established with one of those other white settlements.

Cristina: But the Indians were picking them off.

Jack: So they couldn't trade with the other white settlement.

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: So their foods, because they didn't have the food supply, they had the materials.

Cristina: Food supply coming on a ship. And that ship ended up crashing on another island and they had to fix that ship to come Back, and that took a long time.

Jack: And out of about 500 people, there were 50 left, right? Something like a crazy number like that.

Cristina: Yeah. They lost like 80 to 90% of their people. 500 people lived there before all of them died. Well, not all, but a lot of them died and then ended up with freaking 60 people.

Jack: Yep. So the white people were the. The cannibals all along?

Cristina: Yeah, but they didn't, like, just become cannibals overnight.

Jack: I'm sure it was like an episode of south park, the one where they were trapped in that snowstorm. And it was only like 20 minutes before they decided who they had to eat because they couldn't go out.

Cristina: No, they. Well, in the letters they were. They mentioned that they went. They ate their horses first, then they ate dogs and cats. Then they got weird and started trying to eat leather and things like that. Rats, anything, even roots. But those people died. The ones that went into the woods to try to look for stuff died because of the Indians.

Jack: So the Indians were holding them pretty much captive in their own town.

Cristina: Yep. So they had to get desperate. Someone did try to. I think he killed his pregnant wife to eat her, and they killed him.

Jack: But then they ended up eating them anyways.

Cristina: Well, there's a big no no in cannibalism. You could eat a person as long as they're already dead. You eat the person before they're dead, you're going to jail for life.

Jack: And where does this rule apply in.

Cristina: These kind of situations? And like, if you're starving, if you, like, crash, you're in a plane crash, and there's a few survivals, you can't just pick the weak person to eat. You have to wait for that weak person to die, and then you can eat him, and then you won't get in trou.

Jack: Oh, that's easy. Starve the weak person out, use the supplies for everybody else.

Cristina: As long as everyone, I guess, keeps with the story. And there's no proof that you guys didn't starve him out.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: If you, like, if they find that he was starved out and that's why he died, then it looks like murder.

Jack: Well, it's not murder, but to the.

Cristina: Law, it is murder.

Jack: Does it say specifically you can't starve the person out?

Cristina: I'm pretty sure because it will still be murder. Yeah.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: Murder is not murder.

Jack: You're not choosing to starve them. You're choosing to feed you. And they don't have the capacity to feed themselves over you.

Cristina: I don't know, I don't.

Jack: I could plead this easily in court.

Cristina: Wrong.

Jack: I could plead this easily in court. Yeah. Look, there was this much food, and it belonged to whoever can acquire the food, which was me. So he wasn't good enough to beat me for it. I'd have no obligation to share. It's my food.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm American. How many people in the United States starve regularly? Because we don't. So don't bring me this s***. I was doing the capitalistic s*** I'm used to, and I was surviving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he died. But I just happened to run out of food around the time he died, so I f****** ate him. Sue me for being a capitalist, then. Go ahead and sue all the capitalists.

Cristina: You should wait a little before you eat him, just to be like, I was, like, in the brink of death before I decided to eat him. I mean, you probably were. Because the food you were eating was probably not enough to fill you up anyway. So maybe you can get away with that. I don't know.

Jack: The advantage is that, man, how the f*** did they eat so many people? Because the problem is that it's cold as f*** outside. I mean, they didn't eat a lot.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if they ate a lot of people. We just know they got so desperate that in the end, eventually some of them got Ian.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. There is snow outside. It's cold as s*** outside. Was a winter. You could preserve the body. Yeah, leave the body outside in the cold. The cold will preserve the body.

Cristina: But they didn't. Like, this is the first time they found a skull from a dead body that's been eaten. So that's why I don't think it's been a bunch of people, because where are all those bodies that were eaten?

Jack: They used the bones to make other.

Cristina: Things, and those things were never found.

Jack: Those things are just clothing.

Cristina: They sold it to the Indians.

Jack: Yeah, man. They use it as weapons to escape Jamestown once the winter was over.

Cristina: Ah. And then no one would know.

Jack: Nobody would know. They were walking in bone armor.

Cristina: Yeah. What? That's kind of badass bone armor. No one would have messed with them.

Jack: Nobody's gonna mess with them. The Indians are like, we thought we were hardcore. These guys came wearing their homies.

Cristina: That's so awful. But who knows what happened? Like, maybe.

Jack: So what happened when they found this skull?

Cristina: They looked to see how this person died. Who was this person? What they found was. It was a girl, and they named her Jane.

Jack: For Jane Doe.

Cristina: Yes. Of Course for Jane Doe, they think she was 14. They found only a part of her skull and chin bone on her skull. There was multiple chops and cut marks. They know she was dead before they decided to cut her up for food. But after that crazy storm, that crazy winter happened, the new person came with their ship and the supplies and everyone was saved. And then he had everyone clean up the mess that was there of the bodies and stuff. And that's probably how they found her skull in a garbage can or whatever. Like a.

Jack: There's. That's probably why they don't find all the other bones.

Cristina: Because he cleaned them up because of the cleanup. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. They could be just buried.

Jack: The bones they did find are the ones that they missed in the cleanup.

Cristina: Mmm. Maybe there's proof that we were cannibals once upon a time. Or at least the H*** sapiens.

Jack: I'm sure we were very cannibalistic a lot of the time.

Cristina: A lot of the time. Yeah. Yeah. But now it's. It's a no, no. It's a no, no, don't eat people. Especially if they're still alive. Oh, there are some instances where people did. Are eating. They're really eating people who are still alive. And that's pretty horrifying.

Jack: Like the Green Arrow who ate his dad.

Cristina: His dad must have killed himself before he let his son eat him. He couldn't be like, yes, just eat me while I sit here on this boat. Take my arm and bite it.

Jack: How thug though, that would be amazing.

Cristina: But like, okay, he dies on the boat and he has to eat him, but he has to eat him cold like that. Like, no warming up the food.

Jack: That's nuts, right? How did he do it?

Cristina: Yeah, because with cannibalism there's a lot of diseases you can get from that. A lot of brain rottening stuff could happen. Is he okay?

Jack: I don't know, man. Maybe he has hella brain damage.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Maybe he has hella brain damage and so does Bruce Wayne. He's just a kid with PTSD harassing a bunch of people.

Cristina: Yeah, but it can't be worse. Than what?

Jack: The Arrow has literal brain degradation because of eating human flesh. Nevertheless, the trauma of it having like Bruce Wayne stores bit s*** next to f****** Arrow.

Cristina: Yes. That is some crazy stuff. Like what happened there. What happened? I don't know. Before people were burying people or burning the bodies or stuff. They think that people were eating the dead bodies so the wild animals couldn't get to the bodies. That's interesting solution to that problem, because if they just left the dead bodies there, the animal would come and eat that and then will eat them or whatever, if it was that type of situation.

Jack: That's interesting. There are tribes that use bones as cup. Like the top of a skull as cups and stuff. So I'm assuming we were like that in the past, where we would just eat the people and use their bones for resources.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, make knives and weapons to hunt other creatures with and crap like that.

Cristina: And there's some magic to it, too. Like where people believe they're getting something from eating this dead person, Whether it's someone that they love or an enemy from the. You know, from the enemy tribe or whatever. If they eat them, they get something. I don't know what it is. Like some type of thing, I guess, their power or whatever. Like, if they were super strong and I killed him, now I'm gonna eat him, now I'm gonna be super strong or something like that.

Jack: He is inside of me.

Cristina: Yeah. And when it comes to loved ones, I'm not really sure, but, yeah, they think they're getting a part of something from their loved ones.

Jack: Maybe it's like when Piccolo fused with Nails and Kami. It's like we are three but one.

Cristina: That's a lot of fusing. Yes. Maybe they're hoping to be like Piccolo. Did he become stronger, though?

Jack: Yeah, that was the whole point.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The goal was, we're gonna merge our strength.

Cristina: But he didn't eat them, did he?

Jack: I mean, it depends what you think is happening.

Cristina: What does it look like it's happening?

Jack: I don't know. But how would they eat? Like, I'm assuming, like, put it in his mouth. Do you think that's eating? But he's like this whole other alien.

Cristina: Yeah. So. Well, what. How does that. Have you ever seen Piccolo eat?

Jack: If there's. If they are cells, he ate them.

Cristina: If they are cells, Cells merge. Oh, okay.

Jack: By just squeezing into one another. Piccolo did that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Cannibal, I mean, but they were okay with that.

Jack: So it was volunteer work.

Cristina: Yeah. Are they alive?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Ooh, he crossed the line. He goes to jail forever.

Jack: But they agreed to it still.

Cristina: He goes to jail forever.

Jack: Why? The law is against that, too, Even if the other person agrees.

Cristina: Yeah. There's been cases where people agree, like, very strange cases. In Germany, there are a lot of cannibals. A lot. A lot of cannibals. Actually, there's a lot of cannibals everywhere in Germany. But in Germany, the most. One of the most Recent ones said that There were over 800 active cannibals in Germany.

Jack: Like today?

Cristina: Like today. Well, that was in 2006, but that's not that long ago. Armin Muse, he was a computer repair technician, and he killed and ate his. A voluntary victim who he met online, and he, I think, chopped off his p****. And they were gonna eat the p**** together, but he killed the guy anyway. And then he ate it. I think that's how I went.

Jack: Why didn't he eat the p**** with the guy?

Cristina: He got greedy. I don't know.

Jack: It's like, only I get to eat your p****. You don't get to eat your p****.

Cristina: It's not big enough for the both of us. I don't know.

Jack: That'd be funny.

Cristina: We don't know what the situation. But that guy, I don't know. I guess that's not the same because he ended up killing him, so. But if he stayed alive and they both ate his p****, would that be okay?

Jack: I don't know. Because at that point, you're volunteering for it.

Cristina: What a weird situation.

Jack: Like, you just ate your d***. Yeah, that's fine. I guess you're okay with it. He wasn't okay with dying. He was okay with eating his own d***.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. And you think, oh, and man, there's so many weird situations because you think it's just cannibals just eating because you're starving. That's most of the world. It's just, we're starving. We need to eat. We're gonna eat dead people or people. Sometimes it's alive people.

Jack: Right. But then you come across a guy who's like, but, man, you want to try my d***?

Cristina: Yes. Yes. And there was a. In the uk, there was a British model called Anthony Marley who killed and partially ate his lover. I don't know why he did it. Maybe he was like. He wanted to break up with him, and he was so heartbroken, he murdered him. And then, I don't know. Then he. He removed a section of his leg and began cooking it. And then he stumbled into a neighbor and asked for the police to be called. So I'm not sure if he actually got to eating his lover, but he did kill him and cook a part of him.

Jack: Fantastic. Maybe between the time the cop got there, he ate some of it.

Cristina: Oh, maybe. And that was in 2008. That's not that long ago. Okay. Jeffrey Dahmer, after one of his victims ran away from him and got help he needed, the police went to his apartment and found two human hearts and an entire torso and the bag full of human lungs from all his victims, so. And probably other stuff, too, because. Yep.

Jack: Now, Jeffrey Dahmer is a cannibal. Yes, he was eating them for fast.

Cristina: Yes, he was eating them. Yeah. He. He stated that he planned to consume all the body parts over the next few weeks. So that's a lot of body parts to eat in a. In a few weeks. But I guess he could. I mean, freeze them all and.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Slowly eat them all.

Jack: Fridges were a thing.

Cristina: Yeah. That was in 1992.

Jack: Jeffrey Dahmer.

Cristina: You don't remember that guy?

Jack: I remember the name.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Oh. And there's some weird law in England. I don't know if it's still like this, but in 1998, there was this guy named Rick Gibson who kept eating human parts in public just because there was no law against it.

Jack: How did he get the human parts?

Cristina: I have no idea, but I guess it was in a somehow legal way that they couldn't arrest him. So I don't know. But he did it, like, three times, and I think in, like, two of the situations. I'm not sure if all of them. It was testicles.

Jack: He was just eating testicles?

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: How did the people know those were human testicles?

Cristina: I don't know. I guess they tested out what he didn't eat and found that it was human testicles.

Jack: Wait, what?

Cristina: They tested the meat that he had, like, if he didn't eat at all. I don't know the story behind that, but it was human testicles. I mean, maybe he could have faked it, but that's a strange thing, that they didn't have rules. I don't know if they don't have rules now or they do. Maybe they do. And there was a reporter in 1931 for the New York Times that ate meat and human meat. He got a volunteer from a hospital to donate him. So maybe it's like that from donated hospital human meat. But he made a whole review about how it tastes and how.

Jack: With that. How did he, like, review it?

Cristina: How did he. He wrote about it. He cooked it and ate it, and then he wrote.

Jack: Yeah, but what he say?

Cristina: He said that it tasted like. The closest thing he could. The closest meat it tasted like was veal. He said it was good and it tastes sort of like veal.

Jack: Interesting. How'd he cook it?

Cristina: He roasted the piece of meat, and he wrote a whole article that you could probably read somewhere online if you want to hear the whole, like, comparison. To what it was. But he said it was tender and in the color, texture, smell as well as taste, it was like veal. So if you want to know what humans taste like, have some veal.

Jack: But he said the closest. He didn't say they're similar.

Cristina: Yeah, he didn't say that. It was like a professional would know that it's not veal, but a regular person would probably think it's veal.

Jack: You think it was that close to veal?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You don't just think it's so foreign that the closest comparison is veal, even if it's not like veal.

Cristina: I'll just read the a little bit of sentence. It was so nearly like good, fully developed veal that I think no person with a palate of ordinary, normal sensitivity could distinguish it from veal. So it sounds like no one could really tell, except unless you're like the best wine taster, then you can taste that. This is expensive wine. So it could be a lie. It's probably a lie.

Jack: Yeah. Because wine people can't tell the difference.

Cristina: That's why I compared it to wine. Like, yeah, they say this, but, you.

Jack: Know, they can't f****** tell the difference.

Cristina: So he might just be. It might be all talk.

Jack: So interesting, Interesting.

Cristina: But I don't know, it might really taste like veal. There are people who suffer from mental illness where cannibalism isn't just cannibalism, but it's for sexual pleasure. Which examples are would be Jeffrey Dahmer and Albert Fish.

Jack: Which was sexual?

Cristina: Yes, it was sexual. It wasn't just imma eat this person. Well, in some places in the world, cannibalism is still normal, like, allowed. Yeah, I'm pretty sure. But it has to be the dead. I think it's not. You could kill someone and then eat them type of thing. Unless it's through war, I think that's okay.

Jack: So you can eat the people you've killed at war?

Cristina: Yeah, because it's like a trophy dinner. Krawoa tribe of southeastern Papua is like one of the last surviving tribes that still engage in cannibalism. The last victim that they know was from 2012. They still eat people. A tribe in New Zealand called the Mori, they kill and eat people, though anyone that's not from there, I guess they will just kill and eat people.

Jack: From where?

Cristina: From New Zealand.

Jack: New Zealand?

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. A French explorer and 26 members of his crew were killed and eaten by them.

Jack: When Was that?

Cristina: In June 1772 in Melanesia. Some places still have Cannibalism. The New Guinea Islands, I think that's a pretty dangerous set of islands with cannibals. Pretty sure. Like the Fuji island, which is nicknamed the Cannibal Islands. That's part of that area where all of that's happening. They're just nicknamed cannibals.

Jack: So Australia was infested with a bunch of cannibalistic, crazed people who were offed by a bunch of elitist white people who took over the area.

Cristina: They could have the same story, though. Of the Spain, the Spanish.

Jack: How do we know there are no colored people in Australia? Like, there are colored people, but not like.

Cristina: No, I mean, like the Spanish people said they're cannibals, so now we can slave them.

Jack: Aren't we still claiming there's cannibals now?

Cristina: Yes, actually. But that gives them the excuse to kill them. Because you're saying they're killing them off.

Jack: No, I'm saying Australia was not a white place until a bunch of white people killed all the people over there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which were indigenous cannibals.

Cristina: But are they using the excuse that they're cannibals to kill them?

Jack: To which I say all the surrounding islands are filled with cannibals.

Cristina: Those are probably the real cannibals. Then, like, they lied and said, these are the cannibals. Let's get rid of them and then avoid the actual cannibals.

Jack: So you think there was an Australia, the island surrounded by a bunch of cannibalistic islands, but Australia, the bigger landmass, was somehow not filled with cannibals.

Cristina: I'm just saying that they could have just used that excuse to take over the land.

Jack: But how, in that situation, how would Australia have been the one and only, if not the main cannibal, like, hub?

Cristina: Because those other islands, like, they totally ignore those cannibals. Like, if cannibalism was a real problem and they were only doing it to get rid of the cannibals, why? I don't think they were doing it.

Jack: To kill, to get rid of the cannibals. I don't think it was like, we're going out there to get rid of Can. This is like when we're gonna go in the future and give everybody democracy. No, no, no. We're gonna get rid of all the cannibals in the world. Like, that wasn't their goal. They were like, hey, here's an island we want. Hey. But we can't kill them. But they're all cannibals, so we Can.

Cristina: Yes, yes, maybe. But they're still surrounded by cannibals. They're still surrounded in Tibet. They eat flesh pills because they believe it gives them powers when they consume Brahmin flesh. And I think Brahmin is the priest of that area or teacher or whatever of the Buddhism.

Jack: Brahmin, that's like their.

Cristina: I think that's another word for teacher or priest or, you know.

Jack: Okay, that's cool.

Cristina: So they eat the flesh of them. They put in pills and eat that for powers. In Europe, though, once upon a time, in the 16th, 16th century, they were eating mummies, or at least that's what they thought they were eating because they thought it had. The mummies gave them powers, kind of like also keeping them young and whatever. They sold them as medicine, the mummies. It was Egyptian mummies that they thought they were buying to. As medicine to solve, I guess, random stuff.

Jack: Random stuff. Like what?

Cristina: Well, one of the things I don't know of all the reasons, but, like, it will stop bleeding.

Jack: Eating a mummy stops bleeding. They thought bleeding was like a disease.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how they maybe, like, it'll make you bleed less or stop bleeding quicker or something. If you have a little bit mummy.

Jack: In you or you consume the mummy and you grow, you get the power to grow. Band aids.

Cristina: Yes. It was sold as powder. Mummy powder. They were eating mummy powder, or they thought I should be clear because it turned out that they were just eating slaves. People were killing their slaves and selling it as mummy powder, and then that fat died.

Jack: Okay, that sounds legit.

Cristina: Yeah. Once they found that out, they're like, oh, no, I rather be eating mummy than new newly killed person. It's so wrong. Both are so wrong. Yes. Yeah. So ridiculous. You would pay who knows how much for this mummy powder, but for this regular human powder. No, it's so. It's so awful in many ways. Besides humans that eat humans, there's plenty of animals that eat themselves, I guess, in a way. Like. Well, you know about the spider one, right?

Jack: What did the. The father eats the. Or the babies eat the mother. There you go.

Cristina: That's probably a thing. But that the mother will usually eat the father.

Jack: Okay. And then she explodes with her babies.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Those babies. Yeah. The reason she eats her mate is because they get. The babies are 20% larger and survive 50% longer than a baby that the parents didn't eat the mommy didn't eat the daddy. When there's a creepy one where there's the sand tiger sharks, they eat the other like if there's. The mommy's pregnant with more than one baby, it would eat the other baby.

Jack: How?

Cristina: I don't know. I guess they can still eat in the womb.

Jack: I don't understand how that would even, like, work. You're gonna eat something inside of you already.

Cristina: The mom's not eating the baby. The baby. One of them is eating the other.

Jack: Oh, I got you.

Cristina: Yes, that makes more sense. But that happens. And chimps and great apes eat each other for survival and stuff. Or for sometimes even for rebellion.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Kind of like the human reasons. Yeah, human reasons.

Jack: Yeah, it's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah. And your favorite hippopotamus, that will eat whatever the f***.

Jack: They're not even meat eaters.

Cristina: No. But they need to eat a lot. So if there's not enough to eat, they're gonna find something to eat.

Jack: Yeah, they'll eat whatever. It doesn't really matter. And they don't always need it for substance either. Like, it's not about sustenance.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure it is. They just need to eat a lot. You just can't imagine how much they.

Jack: They don't always eat all the things they kill. Sometimes they will just kill. There's nothing crazier and more random than a hippo. Like a hyena is not as random as a hippo. A hippo is just a fast tank that has no. It's a f****** dolphin on land.

Cristina: But dolphins have rules.

Jack: They're kind of crazy. A dolphin will murder m*********** just because it could.

Cristina: Yes, but they wouldn't do that to their kind unless there was a reason.

Jack: Well, a hippo would. Because they're crazier.

Cristina: The hippo is more dangerous than the dolphin.

Jack: Yeah. Not intellect wise, but just overall viciousness.

Cristina: Just viciousness? Yep.

Jack: Like a hippo can totally be your homie and be like, we're cool. And also be like, except today I kill you.

Cristina: Except today. Oh, yeah. You can't trust those hippos. Okay. There's also tiger salamanders who eat when there's just. It's overcrowded. Their home is overcrowded. They'll just eat the other ones. They'll grow teeth to eat their siblings.

Jack: Wait, they don't normally have teeth.

Cristina: I don't think so. Do lizards. I mean, it's not a lizard. But salamanders have teeth. Well, they have teeth, but their teeth grow three times bigger than normal.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: And then they are the ones that will eat their siblings. And then there's also the rabbits who eat their Babies, sometimes the stillborn or.

Jack: The weak baby hamsters do the same thing.

Cristina: Yes. And hamsters. Hamsters do that too. If it's too crowded, if it's. There's a lot of things. There's a lot of reasons why a hamster and I guess a rabbit would eat their baby, but a lot of the same reasons. Just if it's too crowded, if it's hungry, if it's stressed, all that stuff. There's also the praying mantis that kills her. The female kills the male.

Jack: Like a spider.

Cristina: Yes. But they can sometimes kill the male while they're doing it, in the middle of doing it and then. But they can still get pregnant, I guess, through that situation. Like.

Jack: Interesting. I know that ducks are sort of like that.

Cristina: Ducks.

Jack: Yeah. Well, except they're not really trying to. I mean, I guess they don't eat each other. I guess male ducks rape female ducks.

Cristina: Oh, I think. I think I heard of that. Yeah.

Jack: And sometimes they kill them.

Cristina: The male ducks. Yeah.

Jack: While raping her.

Cristina: Oh, well, that sucks to be a duck.

Jack: Sometimes a female dies and they continue like ducks do. Necrophilia. She'll be dead and they'll keep f****** her.

Cristina: Oh, but he won't eat her. But what if they are? We don't know that yet. We don't have that proof. But what if he does eat her afterwards? Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Duck eating meat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How would that duck rip off the other duck's feathers and then eat its flesh? With a beak. That's it.

Cristina: His clawy leg, like his foot. Frogs also eat one another. Large frogs like to eat smaller ones. So that's.

Jack: I think the same thing applies to many different kinds of lizards, that they'll just eat smaller of their own kind.

Cristina: And fish do that. Pretty sure they eat.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Never know with Fish World. Like, sometimes you'll be friends with this tiny guy who's gonna clean your back. Sometimes you'll eat that guy who I guess isn't gonna clean your back.

Jack: It's pretty much that. They're not worth anything to me.

Cristina: Yeah. I guess that's how you decide in the fish world who's gonna do something for you. There's also a chicken, which is not a normal thing, but it happens probably in farms because the overcrowdedness, the disease, the poor food and the water conditions. Chicken on chicken, violence in farms.

Jack: But they eat each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is it like feeding a chicken a chicken nugget?

Cristina: Probably worse than that. Probably worse than that. But it's not a common thing. I just think it probably is forced onto them, being in a farm type of situation. And sometimes they just. When they fight each other, I guess they would eat a piece of them, like by accident when they tore flesh, you know, in chicken fights and stuff like that. Yeah, like, what are they gonna do with that stuck meat on their beak?

Jack: It's like the guy whose ear Mike Tyson ate, did he eat it?

Cristina: He didn't eat it.

Jack: He took it home and cooked it and he ate it.

Cristina: No. He would have gotten in trouble for that. Maybe. Maybe he paid the guy. He's like, let me eat your ear. Yeah. How much can I pay you?

Jack: And so did Van Gogh, right? He cut his ear off and cooked it and ate it.

Cristina: All these people are eating ears, d*** it, because it tastes like veal.

Jack: Van Gogh was like, I want to know what veal tastes like. And then he ate his ear.

Cristina: He wants to know what veal tastes like. So he ate his ear.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It is veal. That's cheap, right?

Jack: It's like a baby lamb.

Cristina: Baby lamb? No, calves. So that's a baby. Baby goat?

Jack: No, veal is a baby cow.

Cristina: Baby cow.

Jack: Wait, we taste like baby cows.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: So I was thinking like, lamb this whole time. But that has a different name, right? Mm, that's weird. So different and squishy.

Cristina: Yep. But now you know what a baby cow tastes like and a human tastes like.

Jack: Ooh, interesting.

Cristina: What do you think of that, though? Do you remember how it tastes like veal, like, compared to beef or bison? Also, earwigs eat their mothers. Kind of like the spider too, I guess. And sometimes the parent devours their child. I guess it depends on the situation. I don't know, man. Earwigs are really so nightmarish. You've seen them, right?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Oh, there you go.

Jack: What the f*** is that?

Cristina: That's an earwig. It is horrifying. I don't know.

Jack: Looks like a roach.

Cristina: It looks like a roach that could attack you from the back. It's got knives. It got. It's got a b*** scissor.

Jack: It's got a b*** scissor.

Cristina: B*** scissor. It's like it's gonna. There's gonna be a video of it carrying a knife, like in all those other videos. With a rat or whatever.

Jack: With the rat or the crab or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, we're gonna see an earwig just holding a knife with. But also, snakes eat pieces of other snakes and even themselves.

Jack: Yes, the ouroboros.

Cristina: But you knew they were eating themselves too.

Jack: Sometimes they won't literally devour themselves in a way that they're digesting themselves, but they'll, like, put their tail in their mouth and just keep coiling in.

Cristina: But that's not the same, is it?

Jack: I don't know. How long can they be like that before they, like, pull themselves apart, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Jack: So they have to be in that position so long their tail is digested, which seems unlikely.

Cristina: Why do you think they do that?

Jack: I have no idea. It's weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Because scientists don't even know. They think it might have something to do with overheating. I don't know how.

Jack: That they're trying to cool themselves down.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that may. Yeah. I guess you could picture him putting a part of himself to get it cold, I guess. Yep. There's also a bunch of. There's also some myths, legends, and folklore about cannibalism, which you probably have heard of. Some. Like, the most famous one, I guess, or not really. Just one of the many. Hanzo and Gretel.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which is just an old lady who decides to eat some children.

Jack: Probably based on something true.

Cristina: Yeah. That's a Brother's Grimm story. There's a lot of cannibalism there. They call them man eaters, which, you know. Yeah. There's a creature called Wendingo that sounds really familiar. It's like a spirit that possesses humans or a human that humans could physically turn into. Like, transform into either a spirit going into a human or a human that turns into this thing and I guess they eat people, which could just explain cannibalism. Like, it's not a human. It's a spirit in that human making them eat people or this person. Like. But that's weird. The other way around of this person turns into this being after eating people. I wonder if it looks like a werewolf.

Jack: That's interesting, because if I remember a Wendingo being, like, a dog of some sort.

Cristina: What if it is? Oh, my gosh. Give me an image.

Jack: Oh, that looks very werewolfish to me. Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: What do you t. Come on. That's a. Tell me that's not a werewolf right there.

Cristina: Yeah. Also looks like that creature from the forest, from the.

Jack: The ritual.

Cristina: The ritual. Yep.

Jack: Loki's child.

Cristina: Yep. But who knows? Like, they could have thought that was a werewolf.

Jack: You know, it's interesting. The windingo.

Cristina: Yep. Wendingo. Oh, my gosh. What? Wendigo is another. Wendingo is like a werewolf, though, in that they were probably created to explain cannibalism but it's weird that they look so similar. I mean, I guess when you picture a monster, it's gonna look like similar in that it's a monster. I don't know.

Jack: To my understanding is mainly like some sort of werewolf looking thing.

Cristina: Yes. And they think humans turn into them. So that's very werewolf like.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Of a human turning. Yeah. I don't know. And then they eat humans.

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't know. Werewolf is a person that's a cannibal essentially.

Jack: Yeah. Wendingo and a werewolf are. No, not different by any means.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Except maybe the details of their appearance and the location. And the location maybe. Interesting that you would say that.

Cristina: Why? What is that?

Jack: Because this is the same problem we have with the Chupacabra, the vampire and the werewolf. Maybe the Windingo is just another f****** location here in the east, I mean in the west we got werewolf. You go really, really, really far north east of the planet and you get to vampires. You go south west of the planet and you land at the Chupacabra. Who says north east? England, Greenland. Not Greenland, but England, Scotland, Ireland. Area doesn't have the win Dingo an equivalent to the werewolf.

Cristina: I don't know. It's possible. We gotta find out more about the Windingo.

Jack: The Windingo.

Cristina: The Windingo. I like the name. I just like how similar though it is. It's the werewolf of somewhere else. But if it's the werewolf from here though, what if we.

Jack: That'd be weird.

Cristina: How Windingles here. I know, but we'll find out. We'll find all that out. And in 1846-47, there was a family that was crossing from one side of America to the other side for I think the Gold Rush or whatever it was called back then. I think it was that. I'm not 100% sure. And they think there was cannibalism in that party because it was a harsh. I think it was also a harsh winter like the other story we were talking about of Jamestown. And they were going through a supposed shortcut, except the guy never really went through it to make it clear for them. So it was kind of a lie maybe. And they just ended up having a miserable trip and a lot of them died and some of them probably the legend goes that they ate some of them. But I don't know if there's any physical proof, proof at all. But it could be like the Jamestown thing where there's at least letter evidence that yeah, there's cannibalism, but no Bones or anything to show it.

Jack: That's interesting. The letters of Jamestown say what?

Cristina: One of the letters was from the. I guess the temporary leader after their. They had a leader originally, of course, and I think he ran away or something, or he quit after things got tough. Oh, yeah. Wait. The original leader of Jamestown had to leave because he was wounded in an explosion. So he went back to England, and so they got a temporary leader, and he was writing about what was going on in Jamestown during the time, and he was talking about how desperate people got and how they were started off eating their pets and stuff and then ended up just eating anything they could find, whether it was a snake or a mouse, all that stuff.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And he even said that some of the people ate their boots, shoes, and that the people who left the fort were killed by the warriors of the tribe that they felt like they were betrayed by or that felt like Jamestown people betray them because they were trying to do stuff with another tribe. Yeah, yeah. So he wrote all about all that. So there's probably a bunch of letters that he's written that you.

Jack: Who was he sending those letters to?

Cristina: Maybe it was just a record of it, so that when the new leader came, he would know, like, this is what happened. Maybe it was his diary. Who knows? Well, the Donner family, they were writing diaries. I don't think they were writing letters to anyone. I think they were just writing about their situation because they had nothing else better to do there.

Jack: They have letters?

Cristina: Yeah, pretty sure they had letters. I'm not sure if they were mailing them out or what was going on. I mean, they couldn't mail it out, but afterwards, maybe they were planning to. I don't know.

Jack: Mailing them the. Who.

Cristina: Other family members. It wasn't just one family. It was a bunch of families. It was like 30 people. It was a lot of people. But I guess a bunch of. This was normal of a bunch of groups of people from one side of the country would travel together to the other side of the country. And this was just one of the large groups that were going. Because you wouldn't just travel alone to the other side by yourself or anything. Yep. And some of the families through the trip, like, abandoned the trip because it's. This is a crazy trip.

Jack: Yeah. So they just, like, spread out.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep. And a few of them did make it to the end.

Jack: The most determined always make it.

Cristina: And I mentioned that in England law, you. If you kill someone for food, it's considered a crime, no matter what the circumstances. And there was A case, r. V. Dubly and Stevens, in which two men were found guilty for killing and eating a cabin boy while they were adrift in sea on a lifeboat. Kind of the same story of Arrow, except that his dad and the other guy was like, no, we'll die and you can eat us. These guys were like, nah, we're gonna kill this boy and eat him.

Jack: Survival.

Cristina: Yep. Yeah. So they die. They died. No. So they got in trouble for that. So. Yes. Don't eat people unless they die. That's what you gotta do.

Jack: Only eat the dead.

Cristina: Only eat the dead, then it's okay. But don't steal the dead. That's probably also a crime.

Jack: Grave Robin is a crime. Grave Robin and f****** the dead. Necrophilia.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. That's also a crime. What if you're doing it for magic?

Jack: Everybody should definitely go out and eat themselves a human. But make sure you don't kill them. Go wait at a hospital.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's Covid era. Covid's everywhere. People are dying left and right. You just wait until they die. If you've got Covid, particularly, you're not gonna catch more Covid. So you can just go wait at a hospital and eat a dead COVID patient. And if you don't have Covid, you have to wait for one of the patients that are getting neglected because they don't have Covid to die. And then you eat them. There's people to eat for everybody.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know if you can do that, though. I know that reporter did it, but that was a while ago.

Jack: It should be possible. You should be able to go to a hospital and eat patient after they die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Especially if they're homeless. They got no nothing to lose. Nobody's gonna care. Although I don't know why families of dead people care about their body. It's weird that we don't do more productive things with the bodies.

Cristina: Like make them into tattoo. No. What was it? No, that was just. If they have tattoos that you'd take that tattoo.

Jack: Or you could save their eyes.

Cristina: Or you could take their eyes. Oh, is there anything else you can take that wouldn't be so weird?

Jack: No, you just give some. Don't embalm the bodies and just give the fre. Freaking body to the earth to, like, give nutrients.

Cristina: You gotta do. Yes.

Jack: Bury them where you plant a tree. Let them become a tree.

Cristina: Stop. Stop believing in that whole thing of. What was it? The embalming.

Jack: Embalming fluid.

Cristina: That's a lie. That's a lie. That's like the rich people thinking mummies were gonna save them.

Jack: Yeah. Embalming fluid is dumb. And how we celebrate the death of people. Like, why are we being sorrowful? Yes, it sucks. But, like, rather than throw this gloomy a** thing, have a f****** party.

Cristina: Have a party.

Jack: Have a party in honor of the life. That was like.

Cristina: Some places do they get that have a party.

Jack: And everybody at the party eats their body.

Cristina: I don't know about that.

Jack: Why that person's gonna be inside everybody and in that same party as you eat the meat because you chop the person up and cook them. You also, if they have tattoos, have already chopped up the tattoos according to what each image is and, like, framed them after you've preserved them or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so you put it so that people can take whichever ones they want.

Cristina: And then with what, Bard? Because I doubt you could eat the whole body if for some reason there's body parts left. You can still borrow birds bury. You still bury that part.

Jack: Yeah. You could turn them into a tree. Turn whatever body parts are left into a tree.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is that we're starting. The new way to celebrate death.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For Thanksgiving.

Cristina: For Thanksgiving.

Jack: Eat your loved ones with your family for Thanksgiving.

Cristina: Yes. Happy Thanksgiving.

Jack: Happy Thanksgiving. If you guys like this episode where we tell you how to eat your family and how other people in the past have eaten their families and friends.

Cristina: Now you know we taste like veal.

Jack: Now you know we taste like veal. And there's a previous Thanksgiving episode from last year you guys can check out. So go indulge in that Thanksgiving where you find out what Thanksgiving really is. And then you celebrate this new way we're teaching you about eating your family. Since you'll learn that what you already thought was a lie.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Go learn about those lizard people.

Jack: Yeah. And you can find that on the official website. And you can find that on the official website. Greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere else you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review it. Tell us in the review whether you plan to eat your family.

Cristina: And let someone who might like the show know about it.

Jack: Yes, let somebody who's interested in becoming a cannibal know about the show. Tell them about it. Tell them about Thanksgiving if they're gonna celebrate.

Cristina: Okay, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening Bye. I thought it was veal.

Jack: I thought it was veal as well.

Cristina: Mutton? I don't know. Is veal a baby lamb?

Jack: It's like, is veal baby beef or lamb? Veal is a meat of calves in contrast to the beef from older cattle. Veal can be produced from a calf of either sex and any bread. However, most veal comes from young males and dairy breeds. Blah, blah, blah. Generally, veal is more expensive than. Doesn't answer the f****** question.

Cristina: It sounds like it comes from cows.

Jack: It doesn't tell us what f****** baby lamb meat is. I thought that was veal.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

November 14, 2020

Rambling 109: Werewolf Science

November 14, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

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What is the science behind the stories of werewolves? What are the possible events that lead to their stories being shared over generations? Answers and theories to that on this episode.

Story:
After an episode where Calm Cristy elaborated on the intricate folklore and stories of Werewolves, Genocidal Jack decides to do an even deeper dive to see if the stories hold and scientific validity. With hopes of coming to a conclusion and maybe one day capturing their own pet werewolf, the duo unpack the origin of their stories. But what they discover about werewolves, native tribes and synthetic drugs throws their plans for a loop in ways they could not have predicted. All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Topics Discussed

Werewolf Origin Story
Yellow Eyes
Monster in the Woods
Hauling Wolves
Tribal Native Outfits
Synthetic Drugs
Bath Salts
Rabies
Full Moon

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Jack: Where do werewolves come from? Is there an example in nature of what a werewolf could be? Or maybe a werewolf is just a collection of ideas, possibilities, stories passed through generation. So what is a werewolf? The answer to that and more coming up on this episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So make sure to get some body pulled up nice and close and prepare to be en. Wokened. It's like the combination of enlightened and woke.

Cristina: Whoa. The next level.

Jack: The next level. It's because the woke movement is of dumbasses and the enlightened movement is of, like, self help and like, what is it called? The. The essential oils and crystals, people. And it's like, how are you supposed to communicate if you ban everything?

Cristina: I don't know. What's. Your facial expressions?

Jack: I don't even know, man. Because you're not allowed to say everything because everybody's emotions. The end. Just everybody's emotions. And it's like, all right, so if everybody's censoring themselves for everybody's emotions, everybody's being f. But you get offended by fake people because they're not being real, which is where all those. You know, if somebody's lying to you, you're being fake, then, you know, remove them from your life. But you put them there because they can't say anything. You don't let them say. So they have to be fake in the first place in order to communicate. But then you don't like them being fake because it's fake. And so you remove them from your life. Before long, you force everybody to censor themselves, but you don't like anybody because they're all being this fake person. And then you find yourself alone and kill yourself.

Cristina: And you're also depressed because you're always having to be fake.

Jack: Yes, you also. You're a hypocrite. You land as a hypocrite at the.

Cristina: End of it because, yeah, you're doing the same. You have to do the same thing for everyone else. If you expect everyone else to do the same that to you. And Yep.

Jack: Although I don't believe that. No, I don't believe any of them. Like practice what they preach.

Cristina: Well, next we'll have to censor emotions. That's the next thing.

Jack: I think the only thing. We should be censoring our emotions. There should be no f*** speech. There should be because we need to communicate. There should be emotion police because you shouldn't. The problem is we're living in a backwards society where people rely on others for how they feel. Like why can words affect you that way? What the f***? Just suck it up. Your emotions are your emotions, not anybody else's. Actions that affect people, that's a problem.

Cristina: And they, they need help. Everyone needs help.

Jack: Everybody needs help. That's crazy.

Cristina: I want to be emotion police. What do I have to do?

Jack: I don't know. There's. I mean any kind of police, I guess you just sign up, they give you a gun and a badge like a day later and they're like, go out there and kill as many as you can.

Cristina: Yeah. Anyone who shows emotion, I just shoot them.

Jack: Yeah. They're like, if they show emotion, they're getting hostile. And then you put them down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how you do it. They show emotion. The suspect is being hostile. Then you throw yourself on the floor. Officer down, I need backup. Then you pull out your gun, he's attacking and then you just shoot him a couple of times. And he was just Karen ing it out.

Cristina: Yeah. And I'm just being a soccer player.

Jack: A soccer player?

Cristina: Yeah. Just like, oh no, my ankle. Oh yeah.

Jack: Like when a soccer player barely gets touched. Like that guy who got tapped in the shoulder and then threw himself on the floor and pretended to like be super hurt.

Cristina: Yeah, those soccer moves, those are my favorite part of soccer. There's nothing better. It's so. That's even more so papyri than like any other sport. There's nothing, no drama like soccer drama.

Jack: Like it. No. They will pretend everything is the end of the world. Yes, it's so funny. But keeping on the theme of rage and anger and going hostile and cops shooting people for no reason because that's what cops do. And if you're going to be emotion police, you better be ready to shoot anybody emotional. Which means all the Karens are going to die.

Cristina: Sorry, Karen's.

Jack: They gotta. They're ruining the world anyways. As people get wokened, we can educate them on anger. Particularly like rage filled anger. No. All jokes aside, previously previously on this Conversation. You were telling us some wolf related folklore. Werewolves. Yes. And although we came to some interesting conclusions. That episode turned out unique. We landed. We stumbled on some things that I didn't think would connect, but they did.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That was interesting. But that gave me the thought that, like, how much do we really, like, sure, we know folklore, but, like, can we make a real werewolf? Is that like, a thing? Could it. Could it be possible that there was always a real werewolf? Like, everything?

Cristina: But when you're saying make, are you talking about, like, scientists, like, Scooby Doo lab?

Jack: No, I'm saying, like, is it based on something true?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm saying, like, in every circumstance, every bit of folklore is based. It's like a rumor or a stereotype. Like some part of what's happening is true somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So where did a werewolf come from? There must be something in there that's truth. Something that isn't a lie.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even when we think of some of the conclusions from that very episode, those have to be based on some manner, shape, or form of something that was real to begin with.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so I started to sort of look into it, trying to find out. And obviously it took me to situations from the past and situations from the present. Mixture of things sprinkled together create a pretty interesting painting of what a werewolf could have rooted from. There is a multitude of things. And one of the things I didn't know about werewolves is that they have yellow eyes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. A lot of folklore about werewolves referenced yellow eyed beasts. Yeah. That they had almost like cat like, eye slit, but that their surrounding eye is very yellow. Like you could see bright yellow eyes.

Cristina: They look like cat eyes.

Jack: The pupil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the rest of the eye, the cornea, I guess, would be. Looks very, very yellow. And I couldn't zero in on anything in reality that for some reason would cause that. Except one very specific thing, which is actually pretty common. If you don't take care of yourself. And that thing is when you have an inflamed liver, when you have liver damage and it can't process things properly.

Cristina: It turns your eyes yellow.

Jack: Your eyes turn yellow.

Cristina: Oh, like the white part turns yellow or.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. That's what.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And you looked at pictures of it?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa. Does it look creepy looking?

Jack: It looks pretty normal.

Cristina: Oh, so you wouldn't, in the dead of night, see someone with those yellow eyes?

Jack: They wouldn't have, like, glowing eyes. Like, that's an exaggeration. I don't know why. They'd have, like, fluorescent eyes or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. But just those eyes wouldn't creep you out.

Jack: Yes. And if you saw those Eyes in a figure that was more or less in shadow. You would more than anything, like in any other case, see the eyes, most likely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And when it comes to eyes darkness, there's the stereotype of the black person in the dark. One of the few things you can see from them is their teeth and their eyes, because those are white. In the case that a dark skinned person is hanging out in the woods, teeth and eyes are what you'd see if you see teeth and yellow eyes, but they're hard to make out, you have a monster. Especially considering that most of these things go back to racist old white people from old times. So they had slaves. Slaves would escape, they would run away. And it's not an empty everything around you. There's other people. So you're running through the woods and you stumble into somebody's yard or some s***, they look your way, they can see teeth and yellow eyes, and they're scared there's a creature running through the woods. Especially if they've never seen a black person before. You're already something that they don't understand. So you're some sort of. And this is not doing anything extreme. You're malnourished, you have very little water, you have liver damage for some reason. You have yellow eyes. As a result, you're running through the woods and all they can see are your teeth and your yellow eyes. You're just escaping slave masters.

Cristina: You're a werewolf.

Jack: You're werewolf. You're some feral creature to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're just talking. You don't even have to be black. You could have just been Hispanic or some s***. You could have been Native American. And you're just dark skin enough that you disappear into particular dark light or you're hard to make out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If we think of Native Americans and their tribal where these tribes in the times of white people first arriving here, they still had their tribal wear in large numbers. If you come to a new land and you're not familiar with and you're still, you still miss, you believe in mystical things and a lot of fantasy based things. And you arrive from, whether it be England or Spain or Italy or Portugal or any of these conquistador infested locations, and you believe in gods and angels and demons and creatures created by monsters, you arrive in the land, you know some of the natives, but they live in nature. And in the middle of the night, you see, they're dark skinned, they're tan at minimum, and it gets darker from there. They're running around doing their thing. Maybe they're doing some ritual or something. They're in their tribal uniform and they look not the way. They don't have the normal shape of anything you could identify. They maybe have a helmet on. The helmet has weird spikes. Maybe they have the skull of a dead creature on them. Okay, so a dead cow or something that they put that on top of, like a buffalo? Yeah, anything.

Cristina: You know, just looking at like a chattel or something of it.

Jack: Yes. You're seeing something alien as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's just a Native American with tribal gear on. They're just doing what they do, but you don't understand what they do. And it's the middle of the night, you look, maybe you're wandering, maybe, who knows, you're delivering goods from one town to another. It takes you a couple of days, which means you got to camp out in the woods and you just happen to be close to a camp and they're just walking their normal route before you see something really weird and you're like, what the f*** is that? I saw a f****** werewolf. It did not. It looked humanoid. It looked like he had a bunch of excessive hair or feathers and horns and a head that was oversized and he was way bigger than. And it's because they were wearing an outfit that was huge and fluffy and odd looking.

Cristina: What? Yeah, that could be the werewolf.

Jack: So now we're building where the stories are coming from before anything gets confirmed. We just have. Oh, I've seen them. Even if I've. If I haven't been up close. I've seen shadows and things. I know what they are. Those are werewolves. Those are a human creed, although it hasn't been a wolf yet. But you come to the United States before the United States. You come to America and you are exploring and you see these Native Americans or captives, slaves running away. You are in America. We have wolves of many different kinds.

Cristina: Yeah, this.

Jack: And they live where? The woods, the forests. And where do the Native Americans live? The deserts, the woods and the forest. So you're either seeing them with coyotes or you're seeing them with wolves. Either way.

Cristina: So they're wearing a wolf.

Jack: They could be wearing a wolf. And they're probably at peace in nature with the wolves.

Cristina: Ah, you hear like a wolf howling and then you see them and you're.

Jack: Like, there's a harmony between them and you're confusing one with the other. You hear the wolf and then you see the guy in the outfit you can't identify. It looks like some alien. It looks like a creature you can't but it's an outfit in the dark, and you can't really make out that they're wearing an outfit. You're just like, I. You could even think that's f****** Bigfoot. You don't know. You saw some crazy s***, but you heard the wolf. Now you're making associations. Now you're connecting dots, but there's nothing happening. These are just circumstances that happen to be close to one another.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're from the forest. The wolves are from the forest. You're walking on route to make a delivery by the force. You hear one thing, you see the other, you think it's the same thing. I heard a wolf. I know what a wolf sounds like, but then I saw a creature, and I'm already thinking wolf. But then I see that. I associate wolf to it. It's a wolf, man.

Cristina: Yeah. I'm not gonna investigate that.

Jack: Exactly. I saw Wolfman. Yeah, I heard it, then I saw it.

Cristina: Yeah. Real life werewolves.

Jack: Interesting, right? So there's definitely a psychological factor that leads to these things. There's the way rumors get started and myths begin. Is always base and grounded. There's something real going on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That gets twisted and turned by superstitious people and by ideologies and by narratives sometimes intentionally twisted in order to, like, think of. What's his name? Shakespeare. He writes stories about situations that aren't real to warn people about possibilities. And so that probably happened a million times. Fairy tales, a lot of the time were told because you wanted to warn somebody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We had a guest, our last guest before this episode, Chris Rustic, who was telling us about the banana tree, who would rape people. But it's really just a story you come up with to scare kids out of going into the woods, but not scare them away from other people. You just don't want them to be anywhere they can't be be seen where something horrible could happen.

Cristina: So saying werewolves are in the woods could scare off the kids from entering the woods?

Jack: Yes. At the beginning, it began as somebody really saw something. They don't know what they saw, but that mental association happens. But then they start twisting it because, look, I don't know what the f*** I saw, and I don't want my kids going into the woods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we make a story about the werewolves we saw because we did see werewolves. I saw it. I was there. I ran into town immediately afterwards. I'm like, I can't make this delivery. There's a monster in the woods. It was half man, half wolf. They tell the whole town. They tell the Kids, how long before that becomes just a tale that that town knows of, that the forest is filled with werewolves?

Cristina: And it's just to protect the kids, though, or.

Jack: It didn't begin that way. It was warning. It was like somebody saw a f****** creature in there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Somebody saw a werewolf, and we don't know what those werewolves do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jump forward. Many, many, many, many years. We're in Modern Era. 2012, Miami, Florida. Some guy is on the street eating another m***********'s face.

Cristina: That's not a zombie. That wasn't the first case of a zombie.

Jack: That was the first case of a zombie. But it came from a person having bath salts, which are just a synthetic drug imitating, usually a methamphetamine or heroin. These synthetic drugs that are made to imitate, whether it be heroin or it be methamphetamines or whatever, they have very specific behaviors that happen to people. They do things that these other drugs don't. And like. Wait, what?

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Oh, what things do they do?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, there's a couple of effects that they have that they create. You know, primarily the bath salt, specifically, it is a unique compound of things. Right. For short, it's called mdpv. But usually when people take these things, they tend to cause the user to go hypermanic with psychosis, and then they become highly aggressive.

Cristina: But do they take it for that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They think they're getting high as if it were heroin or as if it were methamphetamine.

Cristina: So is this something like they're lied to that what it is or.

Jack: No, they know what it is. They just think they're going to have that reaction.

Cristina: Okay. But. Okay.

Jack: Not everybody reacts the same way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not like everyone who takes bath salts behaves the same way.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But some people do take bath salts, and. Because it's not like a science.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not down to a T. It's. Everybody makes it different, and it's always tainted one way or another. People are going to react in weird ways. Exactly. So with a lot of people having these sort of very aggressive behaviors come weird sporadic brain patterns and, like, irrational tendencies that they have. They scream and they throw themselves on the floor and roll over and they tear at their chest and they tear at their legs. They scratch themselves till they bleed. They kind of go crazy, essentially. In one of these cases we saw in Miami, the guy who ate the face, he was one of two. I think the other one was in California or something who attacked an individual and kind of started Just eating a f****** person while they were still alive.

Cristina: Were they? Did they sound like an animal? Like what did they sound like?

Jack: Their screams were f****** crazy. We can hear.

Cristina: We can hear it.

Jack: Yeah. So we can hear what this individual sounds like.

Cristina: Okay, that's gonna be horrifying. I know. Is that the guy?

Jack: Yes, that's a guy on Bath Sal.

Cristina: Wow. But did they do something?

Jack: No, they're just watching him trip out on bath salts.

Cristina: Stop it.

Jack: All right, all right, I'll stop the video. Sir.

Cristina: Stay down. Stay down.

Jack: You're going to hurt yourself. Okay, so that are the sounds that a person on bath salts makes?

Cristina: What? What? Hearing that in the middle of the night. Horrifying, definitely.

Jack: Hearing that in the middle of the night is a nightmare of sorts, especially if you don't know what is happening. Now, as we know, it's been associated with cannibalistic tendencies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, let's keep all of these things in mind as we go back in time to hearing weird things. And a man runs into the woods saying, I was on my delivery route and I saw a f******. I heard a howl. I saw a weird creature walking through the woods. It was a f****** werewolf.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, it has yellow eyes. You saw teeth, you saw big build, which is probably just a f****** outfit of some sort. And you heard a howl. There's a whole mentality happening here.

Cristina: A picture is being made.

Jack: Yes. Now, you, in these times, don't have a doctor the way traditional doctors work. Now we're talking 1700s.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So a doctor is a bit different of a concept. A doctor is really an alchemist, a witch doctor. And what do they do? They grab random chemicals, put them together, trying to heal. Random s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Usually they give you something. It's not even research. They're just like this s*** with that s***. Yeah, here's some poison. Take it. You know, it'll cure you. People are getting f****** given. What was that thing that's inside of a thermometer?

Cristina: Mercury.

Jack: Mercury. People are getting mercury. F****** cure s***. Like, come on, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So, like, it wasn't the smartest of practices, but let's say you have liver problems. So you have yellow eyes. Your liver isn't functional the way it should be. You go to this witch doctor, the alchemist, and he's like, I got something for you. I'm gonna throw a couple of these things together, and you're gonna take this. It's random s***. It's random. What are the odds that once in a while there was an adverse reaction that behaved the way a chemical compound like bath salts does. You can actually get close to this type of behavior with mercury poisoning.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: You get fevers, you get hallucinations, you become manic, you become aggressive. And you can get that from mercury poisoning. You become very delusional. Okay, so what stops a witch doctor from giving somebody who has a failing liver without knowing that that's the case? Some concoction that works like bath salts. Person, for whatever reason, wanders the woods and now you have a yellow person freaking the out, running out at and.

Cristina: Trying to eat them, trying to bite their faces.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But you're alone, walking through the woods. It's dark. You get randomly attacked by this individual. You don't get to see them. You already just heard the stories. You heard the other guy and he was a. You were like, he's a p****. He does. He's just seeing. Yeah, Imma do the delivery and imma get the money he didn't earn. And now I'm walking through the woods and then boom. I got attacked by somebody, some s*** in the middle of the night. It kind of looked human, but I couldn't really tell because it was too quick. But I know it bit me, it scratched me and then it threw itself on the floor, started screaming and scratching itself, and then ran off into the woods. What the f*** did I just see? Yeah, it was the werewolf that guy was talking about.

Cristina: No, you're gonna become one. Or if you know that's part of the story, if that's part of the story already.

Jack: Not yet, but it's gonna be. Because the guy who spends his time in the woods is exposed to particular, that puts him in a unique kind of circumstance.

Cristina: Wait, which guy?

Jack: The quote, werewolf. Oh, okay, okay, so Native Americans, people wandering, making deliveries, slaves trying to escape captivity, running through the woods. Whatever the case might be, animals have parasites and have diseases. And if you get attacked by animals, there are certain kinds of diseases that are more prominent in creatures and others enter the most dangerous thing you could have gotten at that time. That now is one of the most easily curable things you could ever get. Rabies.

Cristina: Rabies? Oh, yeah.

Jack: Now, rabies, basic things, it's transmitted through saliva, usually through a bite. If you touch saliva with rabies, you're not gonna get it. So how do you get. You either need that saliva to fall into your mouth, to be ingested somehow, or to come in contact with your blood.

Cristina: Okay, like being bitten?

Jack: Like being bitten. Now, the virus is enclosed in the saliva. That's why it travels through it. It's sort of protected by the saliva itself. And it targets the nervous system and particular brain cells.

Cristina: And what does the rabies. What is it gonna do?

Jack: Well, the rabies is going to cause muscle spasm, aggressive behavior, psychosis, hallucinations, and very particularly foaming from the mouth.

Cristina: Foaming from the mouth?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's pretty horrifying. If you see that in the woods and it bites you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then just a person biting you, you will get rabies.

Jack: It would be transmitted? Yes.

Cristina: Oh, so in the story, the guy who gets bitten gets rabies.

Jack: Yes. So if we follow the picture perfectly, there might be a Native American roaming the woods. He's where the wood, where the wolves are. The guy is first, guys walking through. He hears a wolf, sees the Native American, panics, doesn't make the delivery. Somewhere in that time, the Native American gets bitten himself by some creature in the woods. They don't have a vaccine. They catch rabies. The rabies causes a series of behaviors that makes their liver fail for whatever reason. Now you got yellow eyes. You still got your outfit on. You're savage. You're crazy. You're acting like a maniac. Your tribe leader creates a alchemic concoction, gives it to you, enhances the problems you're already dealing with. Now you are extra manic, extra crazy, extra psychotic. And you're attacking yourself. And anything you see, you get cast out. You're no longer part of the village. You're a danger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're running through the woods. That other guy's coming through because that other previous delivery man is a b****. Imma do the job. He's paranoid. You run out, suddenly attack them in your big fluffy outfit because you haven't taken it off. Nobody could get close enough to you. You're danger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you still got it. You come out looking like some crazy creature they can't identify. You don't look human because of what you're wearing, but you kind of do look human because of your general shape, except you're not making sense. You're making crazy sounds like the ones we just heard.

Cristina: And you're foaming at the mouth.

Jack: You're foaming out of the mouth. You're crawling. So it's somewhere between animalistic and not. Your higher brain functions are shutting off because of the rabies. And the hallucination are coming on because of the rabies as well as because of the poisoning, probably from mercury. You have a ton of symptoms stacking up on top of each other. And then you go and you bite the guy on Top of your struggle, you're fighting him, you're fighting yourself. You bite him, you scratch him. He panics. He manages to get out in time. He leaves the package behind. He gets back to town, he's like, I was attacked by that thing.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: There is a f****** werewolf out there. You don't know that. That bite has f***** you up.

Cristina: Yep. So.

Jack: So you have the bite. This guy's been living in the woods God knows how long, going crazy. He's gonna die soon anyways because he has rabies. Your s*** gets f***** up. You start developing a fever. The wound gets infected. You start getting started, starting to hallucinate, developing fevers and developing crazy behaviors. They're, like, associated with the thing. Yeah. Becoming a werewolf, they think, dude, you got whatever that guy got.

Cristina: Yeah. Then their solution to hunt down that guy.

Jack: No. Their solution is we gotta give you some s*** to cure you.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But in those times, you go to nat to the means, you know, back to alchemy. So you give this person something that basically accelerates their behavior and behaves like bath salts. On top of the fact that the rabies was already causing a series of symptoms that are very crazy. Animalistic psychosis, hallucination.

Cristina: So he goes through the same thing the other guy is going through times two.

Jack: Yeah, I guess literally exactly what the other guy's going through. You're going through the symptoms of rabies plus the symptoms of, essentially, bath salts put together. And they're watching you slowly become animalistic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're becoming a beast to them.

Cristina: Didn't they stab you in the forehead to see if you're a werewolf?

Jack: No, probably. A lot of the times they probably just ended up killing these people. Now, there are a couple of things that could enhance this narrative. It depends on who gets it. There's actually a condition called hypotrichosis, which is the growth of excessive body hair. And it could grow not just everywhere on your body, but it includes your face.

Cristina: Yeah. So you could have seen people. Yeah. That look like. They kind of look like wolf people. Yeah. Yeah. Like what you'd imagine, like in a corny werewolf movie. They kind of look like that.

Jack: Yeah, you could have. Yeah, exactly. Like. Like wolf man or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you could have this condition and go through all the same symptoms. I just said you actually don't even have to go through s***. You could have been attacked by a wolf and seen a man with this condition walking through the woods.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, even if he didn't attack you, just seeing this man through the woods Is probably frightening enough.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. But in order to get the condition in which we see somebody get infected and then become, then we must consider that the person that they saw who had hypertrichosis was a person who also had rabies. So maybe this guy in the woods has rabies, has hypertrichosis. He doesn't. He looks deformed to you, Harry. Everywhere, you can't really tell. Runs out he has rabies. He's crazy. Comes in, he attacks you. He bites you, freaks out, runs off into the woods. You swear that was a wolf man. You go back home, then you're starting to freak out. You're starting to have symptoms. The local alchemist comes and he gives you your toxic poison that's gonna make you worse than that guy who only had rabies. But now you're freaking out quicker and sooner and behaving like a psychopath. And they swear you're becoming a werewolf. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Yes, Yes, I could see that.

Jack: Now, there are specific circumstances that are very interesting relative to the story. And in the case of the woods, the brightest nights in the woods are full moons, because the moon is reflecting the most light back down to earth. Meaning you can see things in the woods, most likely during a full moon than any other time of the month. Meaning anything you'd probably already see anyways if you could. Yeah, you're just way more aware of during a full moon. And if there's people normally roaming the woods but you can't see them, maybe they live in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, you're more likely to see them in the full moon.

Jack: Yep. Full moon comes through and you're like, they're out only during the full moon. Not really. They're always there.

Cristina: That's where the whole full moon thing comes from as well. Transforming during a full moon.

Jack: Yes, yes. It's just that that one is entirely circumstantial that that's happening. So the we can assume that the first delivery guy probably was making that delivery close to ordering a full moon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that's why he saw what he saw. He heard the wolf looking into the woods. He saw a figure roaming while the other guy had less visibility. The full moon is gone. The delivery still has to be made. It's been a couple of days. We need to get this out there. People are too scared. I'm the brave one. I'll go do it. But now it's way darker. You have way less moonlight.

Cristina: Then you get surprised.

Jack: Then you get surprised.

Cristina: Okay, now you have.

Jack: With less visibility. You don't know what's happening, how long.

Cristina: That you're sick for and when you're at your worst. And then it just happens to be a full moon when you're getting really bad.

Jack: Yeah. Not only, only that, the possibility that you run off before any of that. Like they don't see you become hairy, they see you run off into the same woods they're accusing people of being werewolves in. But that place already has wolves. If by any chance wolves are hungry, you roam into the woods. One, they're killing you. Second, they're not leaving just because they ate you. So people are gonna be like became a werewolf. I can hear him out there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you ran off into the woods because you're crazy and irrational. Got eaten by wolves. But the number of wolves are still there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they're just associating the wolves they're seeing with oh, one of them is him.

Cristina: Yes. They're gonna think one of them are you unless they burn the body. I think they have to burn the body and then that wolf you will die too.

Jack: But that's way in the future after these stories become more prominent and everybody knows. So this is around the face that building solutions for the werewolf. We can't have them adding to the werewolves in the forest because it's going to make it impossible for us to travel if it's just packed with werewolves. So we got to dispose of anybody who's infected. Yes, that's where that solution comes in. Because it becomes a problem if everybody who goes out either never comes back. Which means they got killed or they became one of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that also creates the circumstance where you are traveling in large caravans. So you build large groups, you no longer make deliveries as individuals. But wolves stay away from groups larger than their own because they don't want to be the prey. So when there's a ton of people together, the wolves aren't coming out to play. They're gonna f****** hide. Same thing happens with native tribes. They don't know these f****** white skinned people coming through. If it's just one of them and there's a f*** ton you, that's cool. But if they're roaming together with gun and f****** carriages, you're not f****** with that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So in large groups they're safer. And then caravans form and they start traveling like that instead. So people only see werewolves when they cannot confirm that it is in fact not.

Cristina: So when you're alone, when you're.

Jack: Yeah, when there's either less of you.

Cristina: Or you're alone to actually investigate or yes.

Jack: When you're too scared to think clearly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's when you're more likely to see a werewolf. And again, it's just an alignment of situations. A person with this condition could run outside, get rabies, behave like an animal. It could have been a slave that got away. They have dark skin in any of these cases. Any of them could have had liver damage, creating the yellow eyes. In the case of any dark skinned individual, whether it be the native or the slave, could have. You can see their teeth in the dark, even if their skin is dark. If it was a native, they have, using any of their tribal wear, they have large outfits that make them look disproportionate but still humanoid. There are many, many, many. And the woods equals wolves instinctively.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the biggest thing though for the werewolves is just you're surrounded by wolves.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, you're definitely surrounded by wolves. And that creates a pretty vivid picture for people. And the solutions that come as time goes by are just all a product of this. So we have individuals believing, just experimenting, essentially. You gotta try to cure them, you gotta try to kill them, you gotta try to. You do everything you can. This is where we bring in the scientists of the times. Which probably led to a lot of torture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we think of like the Salem witch trials when the things they did there, this is no different, this is just a new, a new foe to them. You know, some new circuit circumstances. They got to learn to navigate.

Cristina: There were strange things we talked about that they do. Like the stabbing on the forehead.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: We're cutting the skin to see if there's fur behind the skin.

Jack: That as well. Especially if it's somebody with a hypertrichosis. But they wouldn't have the fur inside, they would have it outside, which is.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't think there'll be any tests. You. That person's a werewolf.

Jack: That person's a werewolf. Yeah.

Cristina: Test for that.

Jack: That person is definitely a werewolf. But this brings in another interesting point. This is unrelated to all those things, but related to the entire idea that there is a condition which makes a person believe that they are a shapeshifter. It's called clinical lisanthropy. And people with this condition, it's a psychological affliction which causes delusions of one having been or currently being a shapeshifter most commonly associated with werewolves.

Cristina: But that means that they also. There are some that have different animals in mind.

Jack: Yes. But now let's reassociate this with the story you hear about the Werewolf. Nobody thinks anything about it. The story flies through the town. Oh, he talking. Oh, no, that guy's crazy. He's always talking nonsense like that. You don't have to believe him. But then the second guy comes and he's like, I saw it. I was attacked by it. And then he, quote, turns into it, unquote.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now the fear is in the town. There's f****** werewolves out there. Two different people in two different circumstances have seen it. One of them was attacked by it. And somebody can develop this condition out of fear. The trauma alone could make them believe.

Cristina: That they're aware that they're werewolf.

Jack: So they'll think I either got bitten at some point and I don't know, or something along those lines. And then they start freaking out. And then they start showing weird behaviors that they think are what a werewolf would do, then causing other people to panic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now this leads us into a circumstance where we have somebody who is not transformed but claiming to be. Probably even claiming to have gotten bitten.

Cristina: Or maybe he drank that wolf water.

Jack: Well, that's a weird one. But you don't have a full moon yet, and that's usually when you see them. This person hasn't transformed and there hasn't been a full moon yet. Now you start making these sort of unnecessary associations of there hasn't been a full moon, they're bitten, they haven't turned, and that's the only time we see them. Do they only turn during full moons?

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: You're starting to connect all the dots. So what? The people who catalog these things. Things, they start connecting random f****** dots. And it's like the first sighting during a moon during full moon. Second and third sightings during full moon. But the attack happened during a regular night, meaning the full moon turned them. And then they had. They were already this in the woods, just roaming aimlessly so they afterwards couldn't go back. They turned during the full moon, which is why we see more of them then. And then they're just out there stuck in this form.

Cristina: Okay, and then. But then why isn't this one like.

Jack: Because there's no full moon yet. That's where the panic starts. That's probably why they are more likely. We got to figure the salute, we got to solve the problem before the full moon. Or kill them.

Cristina: And then they end up killing.

Jack: Then they end up killing them. This is where the experimentation phases come in, where they end up stabbing somebody in the f****** head.

Cristina: Burning them alive.

Jack: Burning them alive and things of that nature.

Cristina: Where does the silver come from just a random torture tool that just got on, like, catch.

Jack: That's a weird one, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, in thinking about this whole shapeshifter thing, I started digging into that, trying to find out if there are any creatures in nature that shapeshift that have the ability to shapeshift. To my disappointment, there is no land creature that could do it. The closest thing is a frog that changes its color at will and some reptiles.

Cristina: Yeah, but what about butterflies? I mean, a caterpillar turning into a butterfly, that's pretty shape shifting.

Jack: No, I mean like actively changing its shape. Okay, that's your butterfly. Your butterfly, yeah. Saying like swamping from one to the other. And the only examples of this in nature are cephalopods, which include octopuses, squids, cuttlefish, and nautilus.

Cristina: So they're all very similar.

Jack: Yeah, they're all pretty, pretty similar. They imitate their environment. They change their body shape by aligning because they're boneless. They get kind of like assort themselves in weird ways and they all have the capacity to change color.

Cristina: That helps. I guess that helps.

Jack: Yeah. But there doesn't seem to be any examples of this in nature other than those things. There doesn't seem to be land versions of these creatures.

Cristina: There's no Boo. That's so sad.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's definitely problematic because there is the lacking of where the original idea of a person turning into it come from. Because the best we can do is assume somebody saw a wolf or heard a wolf and then saw a person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It makes more sense if he saw somebody with hypertrichosis. So you hear a wolf and then you see maybe a Native American wandering the woods. And you can tell them very easily, but they're covered in fur, including their face. And you're like, that's what I saw. Heard howling. That's a wolf, man. Whatever the f*** you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I don't entirely have any other path there than that because there is no shape shifting in nature, per se.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that brings us to an interesting detail though, which is at the end of your episode, we got to the conclusion that it's completely possible that a werewolf and a vampire are similar and a not just similar, but probably the same creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're talking about a creature that either drinks blood or eats people. In every one of these instances, the werewolf, it took us getting to the story of somebody seeing bodies at war that were drained of blood. The vampires are commonly discussed as showing up in the middle of nowhere and biting somebody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the chupacabra very similarly goes and drains animals that it can of blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Doing like looking into this, the, the most interesting connecting line here was lysanthropy, which makes people believe that they are a shapeshifter. And that's fascinating because it's common most commonly for a werewolf.

Cristina: That's very strange that it's most commonly for a werewolf.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Most commonly that they believe they're like half dog or something. But at no moment does it prevent them from thinking they're becoming a different type of dog or creature. Four legged creature. They're turning into some other s***, maybe even a bat sometimes. Who knows what they think they're turning into. It's the fact that these people believe they're turning into something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's a common thread between all those things that I found particularly interesting that they could all root back to this condition and rumors of this condition.

Cristina: It could be all on this. Wait, do you mean like vampires and chupacabras could somehow.

Jack: If they. If it's not all real. But they are all so similar. It's either the regional differences of everything. If we think the difference between a Sasquatch, Bigfoot and the Yeti, it's like the same creature. You're just talking about different places.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, in some places though, instead of werewolf, there's like were hyena or were, you know, other creatures.

Jack: Yes, yes. I'm thinking that a werewolf to the west is a vampire to Europe the same way that a Chupacabra is to the southwest. I'm thinking it's regional and they're talking about the same thing every time. The stories were because of the culture.

Cristina: And the area depends on what animals around them.

Jack: Yes, that's a big influencer, what they're likely to see. Why is it that the west is so prominent with werewolves, but wolves are so prominent in the west?

Cristina: Because they're scared of wolves. Exactly.

Jack: It's in the area you are where the thing came to be. So there's a wolf man because you're surrounded by wolves. But in the south there are other creatures. You live by jungles, you live by deserts, you live in very specific circumstances. So you're gonna have some not wolf kind of dog like thing happening over there. Sometimes they describe it even being like a little dinosaur, which is probably just a f****** lizard of some sort.

Cristina: They describe it as a dinosaur?

Jack: Yeah, like a little dinosaur. The chupacara. That looks.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes, yes.

Jack: Yeah. So it's probably just some sort of lizard of which they have f*** tons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because jungle's everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah. Whatever they're afraid of.

Jack: Whatever they're afraid of. Whatever's in your region is most likely what your big bad monster is made of.

Cristina: Yeah. And people like before, though, I think it helped them explain serial killers with werewolves. Of the idea of, like, how could a human murder all these people?

Jack: Well, that's actually interesting, the possibility that it's a way to tell a story without making people inherently evil. Because we have a tendency of thinking we're superior, then we have to keep that idea moving forward. So even if we might know it was a person, we don't want our kids to know what's a person. So we make up a story and we tell them the story to explain things away.

Cristina: And we might also believe these stories because we don't want to believe we could. We're capable of doing something like that.

Jack: Here's where the twist of information that I mentioned at the beginning of the episode comes in.

Cristina: In what?

Jack: Because somebody makes up the fairy tale.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But how long before. How many generations go by before you don't know where it came from? And it's just a story of something that did happen. And the person who said it probably even had that in mind. They come. They just tell it like it's real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then a couple of generations down, nobody knows where it came from. They just know it's a story about a series of events. Not that it's a fairy tale. Then you have this creature is real because these many people experienced it at these times and it's somewhere. But you gotta be careful. But really it's just a bunch of psychopathic murderers or tribe sacrificing people or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy. What if though? Well, now I wonder if there was also, like, besides blaming murderers as werewolves, maybe cannibals.

Jack: I definitely think that's a big one. In times when total crucial survival was needed. Anybody who's starving. Like there was a lot of cannibalism back then.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So for survival sake.

Cristina: But once that's over and they're still eating, then.

Jack: But also not just that. Like you could just be killed by a pack of wolves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could just have been murdered by random pack of wolves while you're were making your f******. There was never anything. It was just wolves.

Cristina: But you find your dead body covered in fur or something.

Jack: Yeah. But people are like, you know, I can handle wolves, but can you handle a werewolf?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it could also be a tactic of getting people's stupidity in check oh.

Cristina: But you know, people still believe in werewolves, right? There are people who believe it.

Jack: What, today?

Cristina: Yeah. Like there was recently a dog or I guess a dog, a creature that they couldn't tell what the creature was, so they needed to take a DNA test of it because they didn't know what it was. I have the picture of it if you want to look at it.

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: This is the creature. And some people thought it was a dire wolf. I guess that's like an ancient wolf.

Jack: Yes, that's a very old wolf.

Cristina: I guess, maybe. But the DNA results was that it was a deformed female gray wolf. Deformed.

Jack: That's interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. Because it has oddly long gray fur, oversized claws and extra large head, which made them. Like there's something weird about this dead dog thing.

Jack: Like it's not like the others.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So that's why they were really. That's why they needed the DNA test because it just. It's just something off about this dead creature.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Is it like larger than usual?

Cristina: Yeah, it's larger than usual. So. But its legs were too short also to be a wolf or a dog. They described it as. So I don't know, like everything else was big except their legs. So it was a really deformed looking wolf dog thing.

Jack: Interesting. I wonder what could have caused this mutation that made it that way. Maybe it had like cerebral palsy or some form of genetic disorder that caused it to be. Did. Did they ever see it alive?

Cristina: I don't think so. I think they found the dead because.

Jack: There'S a bunch of disorders that cause physical defects as well as some of them also cause sort of mental defects. So they could have probably told whether this had some human type of. Really. Because there's animals who've had mental retardation and there's animals who've had cerebral palsy and autism and things of that nature. So they could have perhaps been able to tell if it was alive and they could have seen its behavior.

Cristina: Maybe they. It was alive and they got too scared and decided, you gotta kill it before it kills me.

Jack: People panic.

Cristina: Yeah. It could be a panicky situation.

Jack: Yeah. This is what I found related to werewolves and the origin story of what, where it could have come from or what might have perpetuated the folklore in the first place. Like where did these stories really originate? It. It was probably a collection of circumstances because the probability that anything of this nature is real seems unlikely. Yeah, it seems highly unlikely that a werewolf would be real. It's like all the evidence is painting Pointing towards a collection of events sort of lining up in the right order.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not like any singular thing could have all of these things all together in one instance. I think it's just circumstantial evidence and superstitious people putting two and two together on top of mixtures of drugs and diseases and fears. Fears. Weird timing. A bunch of put together equals what we know as a werewolf.

Cristina: Yeah. The conclusion is that vampires are cooler than werewolves, though.

Jack: No. The conclusion is the only circumstance that could make a werewolf be real by any means is that it's not a werewolf. The only possible solution for there being a werewolf. It seems like a vampire and a chupacabra are a million times more likely than a werewolf could be. Because a chupacabra is not just considered a creature. It's considered a creature that was probably made in a lab. That seems way more likely. And a vampire could just be a cannibalistic human. Human. Which is also something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the werewolf circumstances. Iffy. It's hard to come across. And it seems like the only way that a werewolf could be is if the other two are also the same thing. If we have a bit of a shape shifter going on, then it could also assume the form of a wolf man or a wolf.

Cristina: But it's hard to prove anything about shape shifting.

Jack: It's hard to prove anything about shape shifting because there's zero evidence in that direction.

Cristina: No. Maybe they're just so sneaky about it.

Jack: How do you prove something is even shifted into a shape?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It just looks like something else. But. Yeah. So that's basically what's out there. That's. The possibilities are there's either no werewolf and an alignment of stars led to the stories being born.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or people trying to explain things away or warn people without scaring them about other people. Made up folklore and fairy tales.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or f****** shapeshifter. That's it. You're either a shapeshifter, You're a product of a fairy tale that somebody was just using to warn people, or a very specific alignment of events, including drugs and diseases and too many things. Yeah. That one's the least likely is the possibility that it's real.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: A vampire in a chupacabra. A million times more real than the possibility of a werewolf. A werewolf is just very unlikely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's pretty much what it is. There is no chance that's rooming. Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this, if you guys agree with that, that leave us a Message.

Cristina: If you don't leave us a message.

Jack: Yeah, either way, just tell us what you think about these things. Tell us what you think about werewolves and is. Is it a vampire? Chupacabra? Shapeshifty thingy? Is it an alignment of the stars? Is it a story, a fairy tale? Or do you believe maybe there are werewolves? And I'm up. So let us know. Anyways, you can find the podcast on the official website greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tick Tock at just Convopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to subscribe and rate the show. Give us some stars of any amount. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 10, 30, 50, 100. 150 f****** stars. However many stars you think we deserve. And review if you feel something so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, the power of word of mouth. You guys know. Tell people about the show. Tell them, hey, we just proved your crazy theory about werewolves wrong. Bob, you're talking about that werewolf in the woods. You're an idiot. Listen to this show. That proves you wrong. Or Bob, these people say it not, but you got photographic proof of a werewolf. Send it to them. Please do that, Bob.

Cristina: Send us the videos. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Okay, I'm hanged. So I died to this person.

Jack: But then, oh my God.

Cristina: Come back to listen to a newer episode. You're like, oh my God, she's still alive.

Jack: Hans, bro. Like that.

Cristina: Shocking though, didn't they? Well, it was in one movie I think where they thought his girl died. But then she wasn't dead. She just forgot her memories. But then bro, they do this. Converted her from the bad guy to the good guy anyway. And I don't even know if she gained her memories back.

Jack: I don't. Look, I don't even understand.

Cristina: She a new person who just. I don't fell in love with him.

Jack: Understand why this works. Wasn't a in movie reveal. They showed us this. What could be left inside that movie that's gonna blow our Brian.

Cristina: He's gonna come back.

Jack: He's gonna come back and it isn't even gonna be like his brother look alike. We're just gonna have Paul Walker in the movie. I like. What else could possibly happen?

Cristina: What is the point of showing us that? I don't know. And then it's crazy. Good morning.

Jack: Dub a dub. Dub dub.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

November 07, 2020

Rambling 108: Werewolf Folklore

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What are the real stories about werewolves and where do they come from? Werewolves and the Folklore surrounding their mystery is discussed.

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The duo begins a new case about werewolves and they begin with the folklore and tales surrounding them. From origins to methods of disposing of them. But diving deep takes the duo down rabbits holes they never expected to go. The connections they discover reveal the truth of werewolves rests on a different mythological creature entirely. The question is, how many other creatures are just this one? All that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Abilities of the 7th Son
Werewolf Features
Talking Dogs
Becoming a Werewolf
Curing Werewolf Syndrome
Werewolf War
Killing Werewolves
White Man’s Folklore
Vampire Werewolves
Scolding Werewolves
Adrenochrome
Shapeshifters
Chupacabra

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October 24, 2020

Rambling 107: Fun Halloween Activities

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What’s the darkest thing that’s ever happened on Halloween? Our Halloween Special is filled with scary stories of horror and death!

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The duo plan an exciting Halloween night with a list of fun activities to participate in. They discuss Halloween decorations, the best kinds of candy for children, exciting sleep overs and maybe even putting the toolbox to some use. But things take a dark turn, as all Halloween things do, and the stones they turn over are more terrifying than they could have ever imagined. Find out how on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Second Full Moon
Halloween Fears
Smuggling Drugs
Kids on LSD
Decorative Corpses
Santa Thief
Body Part Collecting
Zombie Virus on Halloween
Fun Halloween Activities
Toolbox Killers
Serial Killers

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October 17, 2020

Rambling 106: Galactic Zoo Theory

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Is Earth just an interstellar zoo for hyper-intelligent lifeforms? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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While investigating the Mandela effect, the duo discovers something extraordinary about planet Earth. Digging deeper it starts to become apparent that there is high possibility Earth is currently being watched by advanced lifeforms. Searching for the answers as to why this is happening, the duo stumble upon several possibilities ranging from time travel to alien experiments, but what they discover along the way is something neither of the two could have ever expected!

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The Zoo Hypothesis
Fermi’s Paradox
The Great Silence
Earth Zoo
Unintelligent Life
Human Sanctuary
Two Distinct Life Origins on Earth
Ancient Astronauts
Future Humans
Aliens in Scripture
Vehicles in Scripture
Nephilim
Time Bubbles
Ghost Ships & UFOs
Jehovah & Lucifer Alien Leaders

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October 10, 2020

Rambling 105: Scooby Doo: The Chimera Experiment

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Unpacking what it would take to make a real Scooby Doo.

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After receiving a recon mission from the Illuminati, the clone duo set out to learn about a mysterious dog named Scooby Doo. The investigation leads to a scientist performing chimera experiments in Chinese facilities, dark secrets, erased and missing documents, a conspiracy to cover up the truth about hybrid creatures and more. What’s more disturbing of all is what they discover when all the information is put together. Find out more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Scientist Juan Carlos
Chimera Experiment
Talking Animals
Meowth from Pokemon
Animal Intellect
Great Ape Chimera
Scooby’s Intellect
The Mystery Gang
Family Tree
Peta
Secret Laboratory

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October 03, 2020

Rambling 104: Weather Prediction Folklore

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Is predicting the weather possible? What can we learn from animals and nature to do so? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation.

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Because the Earth has experienced a record number of Typhoons and Hurricanes, the duo decides to learn what methods are useful to predict the weather in order to anticipate worse incoming natural disasters. With their plans to be prepared ahead of time, they deep dive into weather prediction, but what they might have to do to predict the weather not only is unexpected and confusing, but opens doors they didn’t expect to have to open.

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Topics Discussed

Weather Predicting Breasts
Scar Tissue
Weather Proverbs
Groundhog Day
Squirrel Nuts
Animal Weather Detecting Abilities
Weather to Predict Harvest
Merchant Ships
Storm Prediction
Dead Crew

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September 19, 2020

Rambling 103: Deja Vu Theories

September 19, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

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What are the possible explanations for Deja Vu? Are you reliving a moment? Are you seeing the future? Answers to this questions and many more on this episode of Just Conversation!

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The duo return to their investigation on DeJa Vu to dig deeper and pick apart the concept and its origins with newly discovered information. Will they find a definitive answer? Or just circle infinite possibilities trying to please the Illuminati HQ CEO? Find out!

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Topics Discussed:

Spectrum of Deja Vu
All Things Happened
Reincarnation
Deja Vu Causes
Aliens
Time Loops
Subconscious Memory
Types of Deja Vu
Dejaville

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September 12, 2020

Rambling 102: 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

September 12, 2020/ GreyThoughts.Info

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Was 9/11 an inside job? What was the purpose of this event and how was it orchestrated? Answers to that and more on this episode of Just Conversation!

Story
On their search for truth our clone duo finally cracks open the 9/11 case to dig deep into its history and its motivations. Following the connecting dots takes them to foreign countries and even to a reptilian plot to create emergency supplies of adrenochrome! And that’s them just getting started. What our duo discovers will alter what they thought was true and reshape their reality in ways they could have never expected!

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Topics Discussed

Elite Foresight
Sketchy Military Activity
Israeli Spies
Bin Laden Tapes
Missiles and Holograms
Demolition Theory
Adrenochrome Drought Theory
Insider Trading
Fear Created to Legislate
Dummy Planes
Pentagon’s Missing Plane
Flight 93
9/11 Parties

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