Rambling 118: The Shadow Realm
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Where do shadow people come from? And do we have access to their world? Unpacking the nature of the Shadow Realm and its inhabitants on this exciting episode!
Story:
Following the discoveries and sacrifices of Groundhog Day, the duo embarks on a quest to understand the creatures formerly known as shadow people, now identified as Jinns. As all the investigative research the duo has done over the years seems to point in the same direction, an entirely new realm reveals itself as the source of most fringe activity.
+Episode Details
Topics Discussed
- Jinns
- Adrenochrome
- Genetic Mutations
- Dimensions
- Angels & Demons
- Shadow Realm
- Limbo
- Chupacabra
- Werewolves
- Powerful Emotions
- Groundhog Day
- Sasquatch
- Reapers
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.
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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yes. So be sure to go find people, tell them, hey, listen to the show. Listen to the show with me. Hey, people. You. Yeah, person. Can you listen to the show with me?
Cristina: As long as they say the whole name of the show, yes.
Jack: You gotta say, listen to the Just Conversation podcast with me. Listen to the Just a Conversation. A podcast with me. And then slowly you migrate into a weird, ambiguous accent that doesn't make sense as you follow them through the streets of New York City or wherever you live until they listen because there's no option. And then they will, because you followed them all the way home, asking, they got on the train. You got on the train. They got off the train in a bus. You got off the train in that same bus. They got out of that bus, called the cops, and waited for the cops in the corner. The cop happened to be your friend.
Cristina: What?
Jack: And now you're both there telling them to listen to the show.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They'll listen to the show because they're scared that the cops are going to shoot them.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: I don't know. It might have been black. Because this is America. Oh, wait, that doesn't happen under Biden anymore, right? That was, like, years ago or something. We're in the future. That doesn't happen anymore. Anyways. Talking about the future. Talking about them New Year's resolutions in life. So, yeah, look. Last time on Dragon Ball Z. Last time on Just Conversation. And then, like, some sound that tells you we're flashing back. I don't know who chose that sound, but it's always the same sound.
Cristina: Oh, that'd be amazing to have.
Jack: Yeah. Last time on Just Conversation. Wait, how do we do this? How do we do this? We just gotta say a bunch of stuff that happened. We talked about groundhogs and shadow people and. Okay, Last time on Just Conversation. The shadow people are gonna bite our heads off.
Cristina: The groundhog is gonna look at its shadow and its shadow is gonna communicate with it.
Jack: Shadows can walk on all fours.
Cristina: Beavers, the winter solstice.
Jack: It's spring equinox.
Cristina: Zombies. Aliens.
Jack: Christ, the church. Adrenochrome.
Cristina: A lot of blood. Just so much blood.
Jack: Ghosts and djinns.
Cristina: I don't know. I have no words. And the words.
Jack: The exciting conclusion on this episode of Just Conversation. Okay, now that we got that out of the way. So, as you heard in our exciting recap of what happened last time on Just Conversation, we were talking about Groundhog Day, which led us through this weird vortex of other things that apparently all connected and we never saw the strings connected them in the first place. Which is completely astounding because who the h*** knew that everything is all and all is everything? I guess whoever created the hermetic principles knew it.
Cristina: He knew everything is all and all is everything.
Jack: Yeah, he knew. He knew. He could have told us.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: He could have been like this. Is that like. Nah, I don't believe you.
Cristina: This shadow, is that alien?
Jack: Yeah, it's all the same thing. What? No, it's not. And like it turned out to be. So a clearer recap is that groundhogs get given adrenochrome, or a specific groundhog gets given adrenochrome. And that groundhog became a super intelligent human level intellect creature that is immortal. At least consciously immortal. Its physical body will eventually die, although its physical life has been elongated significantly. It could live hundreds of thousands of years for all we know.
Cristina: Thanks to that adrenochrome.
Jack: Thanks to that adrenochrome. And he belongs to a group, a club that has many people who take adrenochrome and give it to many animals. They all get abilities and help society or people or cults in some manner, shape or form. Who knows? They help somebody. Either that or the church made up all of this, which is definitely a possibility. But let's ignore that possibility. Anyways, chasing this information deeper, I have uncovered the doors to the truth.
Cristina: You found the truth?
Jack: Well, I found a bunch of crap. I don't know whether it's true or not, but in diving deeper in looking into this, in trying to comprehend the true wokeness. About what? Because we. We established that humans that take adrenochrome become temporary vampires until the day that their body dies. And then they become djinns in the afterlife, which isn't really the afterlife, but rather this plane of existence in some other kind of way.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Anyways, anybody who takes it gets special abilities, lives a very long time and whatnot. Humans become this thing called a djinn. That's kind of like a shadow person. Now I started following the shadow person trail down the yellow brick road.
Cristina: More info than I got.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Cool.
Jack: Yeah, about the yellow brick road.
Cristina: Is that related to the shadow field?
Jack: Anyways, I started following the trail, questioning, finding creatures, murdering creatures, and then asking questions. I kill first, I ask questions later. Okay, but they're immortal anyways, so I kill them, they become their ethereal version. And then I question that. Oh, makes perfect sense, right? I went to the subhumans, the sub humans created for me using their extremely excessive advanced brain power that I don't know why they haven't used it to overthrow us yet, but whatever. And they made me a basically Ghostbusters esque bottle that we've been calling the genie bottle.
Cristina: And you've been catching shadow people?
Jack: I've been murdering anybody who's had adrenochrome, turning them into a shadow person, but having the bottle to catch them in.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: And so now they're trapped in those bottles and I don't let them out, but I can destroy them in there, so they have to tell me. And I've learned a couple of things. I've learned many things about shadow people.
Cristina: Like what?
Jack: Well, a couple of things. First of all, when you are a shadow person or a shadow being, let's use that term, because to say shadow person entails something very specific. When there is a multitude of bullshit that can take adrenochrome and become a creature that later becomes an ethereal version of itself. And so any creature that takes adrenochrome becomes a sort of shadow creature, crosses over after their body is deceased. And there is usually goes in three stages. They have their normal born form.
Cristina: Yeah, they're the human.
Jack: The human hyped up that we were talking about before and previously on Dragon Ball Z. So just go back and listen to that if you haven't caught up. And when you do, you know what we're talking about.
Jack: Anyways, so we know that there's stages. What we're wrong is about how the stages work. It seems like everything has the same three stages. You have your born form, you become a different thing. When you have adrenochrome, your life is extended dramatically, which from the perspective of the average person seems like immortality. You're mortal, just not physically. You are given in many cases, incredibly heightened intellect, but not in all cases.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Really. That blew my mind. Your intellect does not skyrocket in every case. In most cases it does.
Cristina: You mean like from case to case are like all humans skyrocket or they're all.
Jack: Yeah, it depends entirely on how your DNA behaves. Okay, to the adrenochrome. Because adrenochrome is not just blood and adrenaline, but there is DNA in that blood. And how this functions is. It's got to become part of your body. You have to digest this. And so it alters the bodies of everything, everything differently. So the abilities that every creature has is completely different. The development they have is completely different. Although there's common strings that show. It seems like in every case your life is extended.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It doesn't seem to be in a situation which that's not the case.
Cristina: You haven't seen anything like that or heard, I guess, told of anything like that. Yeah.
Jack: But the intellect seems to vary depending. And that sort of leads to what we were trying to figure out before. About whether what? Like what guides something to be feral in the first place? Place.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So, yes, if you have adrenochrome and then you stop having adrenochrome, you can get feral. But some creatures will immediately become feral, feral off of the adrenochrome. And this leads to some of the creatures we understand as mythical creatures.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because they were simply a normal creature that took. It became this immortal being is already feral. So without it doesn't make a difference because you're already feral. So they don't need it. They don't go for it. Although anytime they kill anybody who's horrified, they still get it anyways.
Cristina: Yes. So feral, like a raccoon or something.
Jack: Pharaoh, like a crazy demon hound that just wants to kill and eat. So there are stories of these creatures spread out throughout folklores. Different religions, different belief systems, different ideologies of all sorts. People who believe in all numbers of things, and they take many different shapes and forms, and we've discussed many of them previously. So again, another reason for you guys to go back and check out previous episodes. Things like the Chupacabra.
Cristina: And what is the chupacabra? Originally, it's a coyote. Coyote.
Jack: Something that would hang out in desert, like, areas mainly.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That somehow took adrenochrome. And here's. This is the other problem. You don't have to give an animal adrenochrome for an animal to get adrenochrome.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Adrenochrome is just blood with high doses of adrenaline. If a person strays out into the desert, a hungry coyote is out there. They're not thinking adrenochrome, but they f****** kill a guy. But that guy trying to survive for that time, adrenaline floods their whole system.
Cristina: So just by eating that person, despite.
Jack: That person, they've consumed adrenochrome. Adrenochrome lands in their body and it changes them. And it changes them.
Cristina: Whaa.
Jack: Now, the reason this doesn't happen so often is because it needs to be a particularly high dose of it. But occasionally that dose does happen and then the mutation takes place, because that is what it is. It's a mutation, a genetic mutation that takes place. In the case of humans, it's particularly difficult to get the mutation to happen unless you have brutally high doses of adrenochrome. And it seems that the DNA that creates adrenochrome is primarily human DNA. You can get it from other sources, but you need so much of it.
Cristina: So you need. So just a living creature eating a human? Pretty much, yes. Is good enough.
Jack: It would have. It's not just any human.
Cristina: Not any human.
Jack: Somebody who produced a lot of it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So just random cases of somebody dying. They might have not produced enough. They could have been horrified and scared, but it wasn't enough. It needs to be a crazy high dose.
Cristina: And what are some of these special adrenochrome creatures?
Jack: Well, primarily the. What we were already talking about, which is, for example, the Chupacabra is just a coyote. We can attribute this to being in the desert, people wandering off, getting lost, being in the territory of f****** coyotes, which are essentially wolves of a type.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And the f****** coyote, you know, it does whatever. F***. It's nature. It's going to do whatever the f*** it's going to do. Then it's a person. Occasionally they come across the right person that has a huge dose of adrenaline as they try to survive and then.
Cristina: They turn into the chupacabra and then they crave blood.
Jack: They don't crave blood necessarily. They're just a mutated feral creature. They are faster, they are stronger, they are more agile, and they consume food differently because of the mutation. This is what leads us to believe they drain creatures of blood. They probably do. But it's not like they're looking for adrenochrome necessarily. It's not that they're actively seeking blood. This is just their method of feeding.
Cristina: You don't think they're all looking for blood?
Jack: I don't think they're looking for blood for the reasons we attribute.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I think it's just a creature feeding.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I don't think they have any special value other than survive.
Cristina: Yeah. Although if they were looking for adrenochrome, that's what's keeping them alive. Or does just whatever they're eating, keep them alive.
Jack: Then again, maybe they attack enough animals. Because we hear stories of the Chupacabra clearing out entire fields.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: In one night. So my cows are fine one night, the next night all my cows are dead. They're drained of blood. Maybe it was just looking for the high dose that it needed to get. Because it's not humans. It needs to get a f*** ton of it.
Cristina: Yeah. Because if it's an adrenochrome thirsty creature, then it's looking for fear of blood. And maybe the animals aren't scared of it like they would be normally.
Jack: But the, the reasoning here is that it's not necessarily looking for adrenochrome.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's no reason for it to. And some of these other cases are going to be the example of it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: While some of these are gonna support that argument, the Chupacabra, when we're trying to decide what turns into what when they become their ethereal shadow version. Which is which I should probably specify. The shadow creatures are a sort of energy type. I've been calling it a frequency. The best way to describe it is that the shadow realm is a physical, non physical space. It's a place you can go to.
Cristina: Physically, but you can't physically.
Jack: Sort of kind of it's way.
Cristina: Only these creatures can go there.
Jack: Not necessarily. So the shadow realm, which is what we will title it, is a sort of frequency in that it's a different state of being. Nothing there is dead. There's nothing there that's dead. It is just a different type of thing. If we think of the difference between like an angel, a human. Like an angel isn't dead. It was just born in a different state or something.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: The same idea would apply to a shadow person. You're sort of going into a different state of being. The best way to think about it is one. Oh, what is it? 100.3 the radio station and then 89.5 the radio station. You can't hear both of them at the same time. Not on one radio. But you can hear both of them on one radio.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Just not at the same time.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's a frequency that you got to tune into to get there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The same way we kind of exist at this frequency where photons create visuals that are processed by a brain and whatnot. There's a different state of being that functions completely different. The laws of physics there work.
Cristina: Completely different laws of physics.
Jack: Yes. Because it is a different state of being.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It is a different frequency that doesn't apply. So the best way to think about it is similar to a pocket universe that sort of exists within the same space. It's kind of like that, except it's more of a parallel universe.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it's stacked on top.
Cristina: That's weird. Remember when we were talking about ghosts and how it could be the past or the present? Does that relate somehow?
Jack: Not necessarily, no. Because ghosts are happening actively in our own version of reality.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: At our own frequency. A ghost is happening at our own frequency, just at a different time.
Cristina: All right?
Jack: While that is taking place at a different frequency entirely, another way to think about this would be to say what does your soul look like?
Cristina: What does my soul look like?
Jack: Yeah, your soul's there. It's your consciousness or it's your spirit or it's something.
Cristina: Something.
Jack: Yeah, but it's sort of doesn't exist at this frequency. Where is your spirit?
Cristina: Are you saying it's in the shadow realm?
Jack: Your spirit is in the shadow realm.
Cristina: Doing what?
Jack: It's connected to this side. Your movements here appear faded and translucent.
Cristina: Over there.
Jack: Over there?
Cristina: Well, the things over there look faded. Over here.
Jack: Over here.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Well, we see as shadows over here are figures that exist on that side and vice versa.
Cristina: So those aren't different creatures. Those aren't the deaths of the creatures that are here.
Jack: Those are the physical release of the creatures that are here so that they take primary existence over there. But what we see doesn't stop them from existing over here. And the same way think of dimensions you exist in the second as a shadow, a literal shadow, not shadow people from this other dimension that we're called. But like when light is cast on you, there's a two dimensional cast on the ground.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: That is a shadow. That is a two dimensional representation of yourself. Yes, that is still you. Anything you do, it does. But a two dimensional render in the fourth dimension. Your entire timeline exists, but right now you're just a moment of that timeline. Yes, that's still you. And the movements that's making. You're showing a reflection of, this same universe stacked on top is you're behaving the same way over there, except you're not influencing anything over there. Now that does not mean you couldn't influence anything over there if you didn't if you wanted to.
Cristina: How? What do you mean?
Jack: There are many, many, many, many ways to get there.
Cristina: But we're over there. But we can go, go over there too.
Jack: You can manifest control on that side. You have to think of it like this. If you remember the perceptual layout. Yeah, you're at all times one and the other one is the other.
Cristina: Okay. So you're pretty much taking control of that version of you. It's not really you physically going over there.
Jack: Well, it is physically you. I'm using that as an example because the. The perceptual layout is two different beings, but in a different. We gotta assume you and your subconscious is totally different than you and your shadow form. Those are two different things. You are your shadow form.
Cristina: Yes, but I can meet up with my shadow form in the shadow realm.
Jack: You could release control on this side and take control on that side, but you can never control both at once.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Some people say that they astral project.
Cristina: Okay, that's what I was thinking of. Okay.
Jack: And the place they wander. The reason that they can't interact with anything here, but they can't interact with things is because they're interacting on that.
Cristina: Side and it looks like this side.
Jack: Yes. This is where we enter a little more nuanced detail about what the shadow realm even is.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It looks like the shadow realm. The shadow, I guess. Yeah, shadow realm. We'll call it the shadow realm. And then this is the physical realm.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the shadow realm and the physical realm seem to have been created simultaneously. They've existed since one, the other always. They came paired. Just like whoever made the hermetic principles. Duality took place in the creation of our understanding of the universe. And so the universe we're stacked on top of is the shadow realm. Now we exist on both. And I use universe loosely because universe would be different people, it would be different beings that have nothing to do with you. It's a different universe, but it's.
Cristina: It is you.
Jack: No, I use the term universe loosely. Realm would be the most accurate representation. But using the term universe might help science minded people understand it better. Yes. So realm is the most accurate word because you exist in all realms simultaneously, similar to how you exist in all dimensions, except all dimensions are part of a single universe. Universe.
Cristina: What are.
Jack: All realms are different from one another and don't necessarily exist within the same physical spaces. I guess we could think of vertical axis is dimensions, second dimension, third dimension, fourth dimension, fifth, so on and so forth. Realms we would put in a horizontal axis. So there is a fourth dimension to a shadow person.
Cristina: Okay, that's. But is that fourth, is that related to you?
Jack: That's you. The fourth dimensional shadow you is equal to the fourth dimensional you.
Cristina: Okay. Okay. Yeah.
Jack: Yes. Now you can never be both simultaneously in control and you appear as you. Now, it seems to be that you're stuck on one unless you're in the other. Always so ways that people get there as they're projecting. When monks are discussing sort of using their mind to take apart reality, they're affecting the other side.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And this is a duality that you permanently exist in. Now, when your physical body dies, you have nothing to come to this side and hold on to.
Cristina: So you go to that side.
Jack: You primarily exist over there.
Cristina: Okay. But you can still pop up here.
Jack: You can. Yeah. You show up as the shadow that you'd be. Yeah, as the. And you can influence things over here the same way you can influence things over there. But when you're on this side, your influence over there is ethereal and ghost. Like you aren't physically fully there. You could f*** with s*** on that side the way a ghost f**** with s*** on this side. Like you could. Ghost is a loose term, but spirits, demons and crap. Let's say a demon is on that other side and it comes to f*** with you and it's showing up in the middle of the night and you got sleep paralysis and it's just there watching you and scaring you and stuff.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You could do that over there. You won't physically fully be there, but you could interact with things.
Cristina: You won't fully be there.
Jack: Somebody could pass their hand through you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And they can't really make out how you look. Exactly.
Cristina: But there are things that are there that are physical.
Jack: Yes. And the people who are on that side who take adrenochrome and become the vessel that can then cross over, are fully there. And they were on this side fully. Basically, when you die here, you technically also die over there.
Cristina: Okay? What?
Jack: That's exactly how it goes. You will cease to exist on both sides because they're equal.
Cristina: But this shadow version of you still exists.
Jack: Yes, but your physical body ceases to exist. So there's nothing in the physical realm that can contain you. But you've. You have in fact achieved immortality. Yes, that is without a question. So your body dies because your body cannot be immortal. But you as a being have achieved immortality. And in the shadow realm, you don't have a physical presence per se. It's different. It is something. But it's not this physical presence.
Cristina: It's a. Some. But it's not some type of physical presence.
Jack: No, it's some type of something physical is only in the physical world. That only exists in the. That's the importance of that name is only the physical Realm has physical things. Yes, There's a space to travel. And that universe looking thing is infinite and it has structures and places to enter. But physical is the wrong word because it's not. The creatures on the other side have achieved pure immortality, but their bodies cannot. So they just exist on that side. Your existence is fully over there. You should have died. Because we're primarily over here a lot of time. And the creatures that are over there can influence over here, but when they die over there, they cease to exist. But you've achieved immortality that some of them don't even have because they're.
Cristina: They still need adrenochrome to live forever. Like we.
Jack: The creatures that are of that plane naturally and purely, that seem like ghosts to us, but they were born on that side, don't need adrenochrome, they're just gonna die. I guess if they could get a hold of adrenochrome, but they should, they would have to know about adrenal chrome.
Cristina: In the first place. So they can die.
Jack: They can still die.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It is a whole different thing, but very similar. It's again equal, but different. Equal but opposite. And so there is that. That's really what's going on. You achieve an immortality, your body dies, you can cross over, but your body can't cross over because your body will wither away. There's nothing physical over there for your body to cross over as. So that gets abandoned. But you're still present now as a being on that end. You can still influence this end the same way that when you were over here, you could influence over there. And beings naturally born over there can influence this side. And there's a numerous amount of shadow beings over there. But let's discuss what the space that's there is like. Yes, it is identical seeming to this side physically.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So there's buildings that could theoretically be in the same place and look the same. And you could think of it as a reflection, a literal reflection of what we have in the physical realm.
Cristina: So there's nothing off, though.
Jack: There's many things off, which is what's interesting. The best way to describe it is that there are few structures from the material world that have a counterpart. And there are many structures from the material world that don't. The easiest to know, the easiest to understand. Our temples and churches are equal on both sides and usually the easiest gateway between the two places.
Cristina: But regular houses are not.
Jack: No, it requires a person creating the environment that would exist in those places, which is where witchiness comes in.
Cristina: Are these Temples, then they're intentionally doing these gateway things in there.
Jack: I don't. There's no way to really know. There's no way to really know if the gateways are intentional or if it's just a natural product, because arguably they're made on both sides at exactly the same moment. And nobody was intending the crossover, but it's just a place where it's heightened.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Churches and temples and.
Jack: And the easiest way to think about it is that the energy that you put out in the physical realm when you walk into a church is trying to connect to what you'd consider to be your spirit.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And so the signal you're putting out kind of tunes a little better. Yes, you tune in better. And so creatures on the other side are kind of experiencing the same thing. Now, this is a very interesting comparison because one of the creatures born on the opposite side in the shadow realm, one are demons, but the others are celestials.
Cristina: Celestials, Angels. What?
Jack: Both of which come from the shadow realm. Now, we only call it the shadow realm in reference to our world, but they don't refer to that. That's just reality to them. And thinking of it as a dark place is also wrong.
Cristina: Do they call it heaven or h*** or. That's names we gave them.
Jack: That's all names we've provided.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yes. And we don't even. They don't even call themselves demons. This is all titles we've invented.
Cristina: Yes. So they're none of. They're none of those things that we think they are.
Jack: Exactly.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're none of those things that we think they are. They are living creatures like anything else, except unlike anything else. They are part of the shadow realm, which. Shadow realm to us, but their own thing to themselves.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They don't. They're not like we're the f****** second s*** to this.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Like we're the main thing that's our f****** reflection over there. They probably call us a shadow realm.
Cristina: Ah. You know, it's interesting. Yeah.
Jack: And so it's interesting that an angel that goes to meditate at the same place would be received by people in the physical realm more easily because they saw something or felt something. And it's because they're also over there praying and tuning into what they consider to be their spirit, which over here is just an energy to us, the same way we show up over there as just an energy to them.
Cristina: So they're looking at us and thinking angel or demon.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. They might see us doing horrible things and call us demons. And they Might see us doing kind and beautiful things and call us angels.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: And it's entirely just because we're a reflection of what's going on.
Cristina: What.
Jack: Interesting, right? The same way that a demon is just a different creature that often does things we would consider bad, but also their interpretation of good or bad is different. How do you blow up a building if there's no physicality to blow something up with?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know, different thing going on.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Now, those are the obvious buildings that are similar on both sides, of which there are many, many, many. But in comparison to the rest of what there is, is very little.
Cristina: Like what? Like it's just all woods?
Jack: No, I'm saying that the. The churches are what's. There are many churches, but collectively, in comparison to other things, churches are what? Like, the least of it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And mosques and temples and all these different things. There's very few of them in comparison. Like, how many churches are there per building in the world? You know, it's like maybe a million buildings per church. Who knows? But there are structures over there. Whether they would be considered buildings or I guess they serve the equivalent purpose.
Cristina: They live in them.
Jack: Yeah, you could live in them. You could. They could perform different functions. They have purpose is the best way to put it. They have purpose. There's structures with purpose on that end. And some of them look similar, but many don't. And you could be wandering down something that looks like a street and look similar and get lost. Because the similarities are almost misleading. Because they are no more than just similarities. Only the places that are literally identical are identical. And those are the places that were constructed simultaneously on both sides to connect across.
Cristina: People who do. Astral projections are the only people that are going over there.
Jack: No. People who pray and they think they're praying to something, are communicating directly with the being on the other side, and they're having a conversation. People who pray and they feel like they heard God's voice are probably just having a conversation with another creature who's over there trying to talk to something over here. And they just kind of. Their minds cross paths and they're like having a conversation with one another. This happens pretty often in which people talk to. They talk to the dead. They think they're talking to them. They're talking to. Sometimes it is sometimes literally the dead. And the person on that side doesn't even realize that they're over here thinking, I'm, you know, I'm remembering this person and I have conversation with them in my head occasionally. It's like, you're really f****** talking to them. You just don't know know it because you don't know this realm exists. And so this happens pretty consistently. There is interaction all the time. Whether it be direct interaction or you saw something that you're like, oh, my house is haunted. There's something in there. And it's like in the other side, something lives there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it's not malicious, it's just living there. It's its home. You're the one haunting it over there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And you're over here screaming because you're scared. And it was just wandering and it's like, holy, did I hear something? But you panicked and screamed and they heard you scream, so they f****** panicked and then knocked something down and you panicked more because f****** the chair just fell. But they f****** dropped the chair because they f****** got scared because, yeah, there's some s*** in here.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: What the h*** is this?
Cristina: Wow, it's interesting. Connected.
Jack: So what allows this to happen is the adrenal chrome itself connects to certain aspects of the brain. The brain is an antenna. It grabs the signal of the consciousness. And so the alterations that happen in the time that allow your mind to be altered and get crazy high intellect or your mind to your DNA to be altered, it trains your consciousness to take over rather than the brain control the consciousness. Most of us live through life thinking we're the conscious being, but we've run experiments in our quantum computers that tell us we're not. Our brain is doing everything. We are convinced that we're here, the ones in charge. There is a consciousness, and the consciousness will persist, but the consciousness isn't in charge. When you have adrenochrome, the structure, the changes in the DNA allows and trains the conscious mind to literally be the driver.
Cristina: Okay. Instead of being. Becoming a monk and becoming the driver.
Jack: Yes, exactly. Perfect. Perfect. A monk could theoretically cross over because they trained it. Yes, they trained their conscious mind to be the one in control. So adrenochrome is a shortcut.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: But it could do things because it alters your DNA. A monk does it without altering their DNA. They cross over perfectly fine.
Cristina: Yeah, but they're not. They don't have any special abilities.
Jack: Yes. They don't have to cross many thresholds. Yeah, but when you take adrenochrome, not only does your mind get altered so that your conscious mind is in control, but million other things happen.
Cristina: And sometimes your body gets altered, sometimes.
Jack: Your body gets altered. And so when you've taken this and your conscious mind is in control as Your conscious mind is you will sort of disconnect from your body. But now, because it's the leading force, it doesn't dissolve as the brain dissolves, the conscious mind simply goes to the next place it knows. It holds on to the other version of you.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The shadow form. And suddenly you exist on that side.
Cristina: But as a shadow in that side, too.
Jack: No. Okay, you're now on that side. You sort of manifest fully on that side.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: Yeah. So you've become part of that world, and now that's your real form. That's how many people have crossed over. And when people are talking about. There are people on the other side, you talk mediums who are talking to somebody and all this stuff. They are talking to individuals who fully crossed over to that place, which brings up how that place is considered by many other places.
Cristina: Okay, what is that?
Jack: The name given to it is a quite popular name, and it makes sense that a medium would be connecting to it. It's called, in particularly the Bible. Which is the most easy way to convey this information for English speakers who are familiar with Christianity, above all other religions, is that it is limbo. It is a space after life. But that only applies to us on this side. It is a space after life. Now, not everybody goes to limbo. That is a true fact. Most people cease to exist. But when you've developed the means, you can enter limbo.
Cristina: And adrenochrome is the easy way.
Jack: Adrenochrome is the easy way.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The only real way to be there is to divide your conscious mind from your brain. If your brain controls your conscious mind, when your brain dies, it takes the conscious mind with it.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: But if you can train your conscious mind to be independent, then your conscious mind can wander and control what, the rest of itself.
Cristina: That sounds difficult. Yes. Okay.
Jack: An adrenal chrome is a shortcut.
Cristina: Yes. What?
Jack: Which is completely fascinating.
Cristina: Yeah. So it's limbo or heaven or h*** or whatever.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. That's all the above. It's the same thing. So people who go to h***, if they really went somewhere when they died, they went to limbo. People who go to heaven, if they really go somewhere when they died, they went to limbo. People who cross, their spirit crosses over finally, after their unfinished business is done, you've merely just crossed into limbo. They all went to limbo or cease to exist. Those are the only two options. You either die and your consciousness leaves your body, or you die and you were apparently mentally strong enough that your.
Cristina: Consciousness is gone to go over there.
Jack: And you're technically still here.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's just your body dies. Immortality is real. But there's a shortcut to get there. And there are many hard ways to get there. And the shortcut has repercussions like losing your body. You lose your body no matter what.
Cristina: Yeah. What are the precautions?
Jack: First, turning into something different while you're on this side.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And second, when your mind continues after your body has died, whatever thing you became, you were for a long time. Your consciousness got trained to believe that's you. And so if you are a coyote who was just a coyote, they become headstrong. Their conscious mind now runs their body. But they're not hyper intelligent the way a human is. They are a Chupacabra, a different kind of intellect. Their consciousness is in control. That being then dies however many years in the future. And they are not a coyote on the other side. Their conscious mind got trained over many decades, centuries, millennia. You were longer the Chupacabra than you were the coyote.
Cristina: Okay. So they go to the other side and they're sort of still like a Chupacabra.
Jack: Yes. Except you are the shadow version of that because you no longer have a physical form.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which over there, the Chupacabra is the equivalent of what we have called the Wet Judge. That is the Chupacabra. It is a feral beast that is out there influencing and killing and it does it on both sides. Anytime it could influence. Now because its mind is so strong, it can phase in and out. But over here it looks like a shadow.
Cristina: Yes. What? It looks like a shadow?
Jack: Yeah, it looks like some kind of. It looks like a shapeless doggish.
Cristina: They can take a real form.
Jack: No, it doesn't. Nothing takes a form over here. There's no physicality for it to take. It only influences side.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that's the only role something that's lost its body over here can do. You can't manifest on this side. Or if you do manifest, it's not physical.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like would you say a spirit is physical? No, but it is over here. Yeah, that's exactly how it work. The literal way to describe it is that a Wet Judge is a spirit.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's a demonic spirit. Well, we would call it demonic.
Cristina: It's just an animal that wants to.
Jack: Eat blood, needs it. That's just its food source. Yeah, it's just as food source. So yes, it wants a blood, but it's because it's hungry.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that sustains it. Now the interesting part is when you're on that side. You don't need the blood to sustain you. You're just over there. The blood allows you to be sustained. Over here. Blood is physical. And what you're getting, you're not drinking the blood as this ethereal being, what.
Cristina: Are you doing with it?
Jack: You're sucking out the emotion that was in it. The fear.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: Which somehow now I don't know the answer to this question, which is why can they access it? But I guess the same idea would apply inside of a church. When you're giving out a certain emotion and it's connecting to the other side, something about our emotions is what's important. Yes. It could cross the threshold. And if Chupacabra. Now, a wet judge can be around the place where fear exists, it can manifest something about fear allows beings on the other side to manifest on this end.
Cristina: And with the people that end up killing their family over this. Was it the Wetchaj or the Wendingo?
Jack: Either.
Cristina: Or the person that's involved, is he being influenced by this spirit thing?
Jack: Yes. What happens is the emotions of the opposite side come across as well. Emotions exist perfectly fine on both sides.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Something about it connects. Fear seems to be the strongest of all the emotions that drives ever everything again on both sides. Exactly. If we go back to the church and we think of what people are doing when they are praying, they think there's a God who's gonna punish them. Fear is what they're using to connect to this higher thing. And thus the angel gets a clear thing to the. And the angel probably believes that it has a God on that side too. If it's born on that side, it doesn't know where it came from. It's gonna die eventually.
Cristina: It went to its church and prayed.
Jack: It went to his church and prayed. But out of fear, like what happens when I die. That it's ex crisis that we all have on the inside is fear. And somehow that connects us. And a wet judge that receives this can. If you're somewhere where there is way a lot of fear, a lot of fear you can manifest, you don't need to even generate the fear. That's why places like mental asylums where people are delusional and confused and scared about their situation, they don't. They're maybe not even in the right state of mind. And they're just horrified of where. They don't know where they are. They don't know why.
Cristina: They think they're haunted. Or a lot of them are haunted after they're closed down.
Jack: Yes. Because all the emotion that was intensely felt in there stays there.
Cristina: It stays there. But the stuff that's haunting it is really just shadow people.
Jack: Yes, creatures from the shadow realm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's just they can more easily manifest in those locations. And over there on that side, that might be a place that hasn't shut down. It's just a fully functional place. But as you're wandering through there, you see many things. Maybe on the other side it is abandoned. And so where would creatures that are feral go? They're going to go to abandoned places where they're not going to be hunted and killed by things on the other side. Oh, so they would go to abandoned places.
Cristina: Yeah. And so is there more feral things over there or is it equally on both sides?
Jack: It should theoretically be equal on both sides.
Cristina: Okay, so it's.
Jack: It's very similar to this side. Yeah, it's just not this side.
Cristina: But it's not this side.
Jack: But it's not this side. Then we go to the gray wolf. The gray wolf is similar to the coyote. They're both wolves, but their genetics respond different. Now, every single coyote of the same type would experience adrenochrome the same way.
Cristina: So equaling a chupacabra, always, a wolf.
Jack: Already had a certain genetic structure that was different. And every gray wolf that has adrenochrome will turn into a werewolf. Without exception.
Cristina: All these werewolves work the same.
Jack: All the werewolves work well. All the wolves work the same. Well, all creatures in general are going to turn to something different.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Very few scenarios do they not. Most cases, they are physically altered one way or another. And in the case of the gray wolf, they all become werewolves. Now, the circumstances again, have to be quite specific, or you give it to them. You either need to be a person who has adrenochrome, acquired strong doses and gave it to them, or some weird chance led to them consuming a person who's like, horrified. Who had horrified? Doesn't even matter. It needs to be enough to produce the high dose of adrenochrome that could alter it. Because just horrified isn't enough. You could eat somebody horrified. Nothing happens. It wasn't high enough, but you cross the threshold and then you consume that person. Now, that's gonna alter your DNA and.
Cristina: Turn you into a werewolf.
Jack: Yes, you are way more intelligent. Way more intelligent. Now, some creatures have proven to be more intelligent than the werewolf, and we'll get to that shortly. Because the werewolf is, although now bipedal, standing tall, grows in size significantly, grows in intellect significantly, is still primitive. Next To a human thinking brain who hasn't even taken Adrenoc, they just happen to be overpowered a million times faster, physically monstrous, and could wreck walls. Yes. Now, when a werewolf dies, their physical being goes. The adrenochrome gave their conscious mind control. They cross over, they become the Wendigo.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: And that is just a werewolf on the other side.
Cristina: Okay. And they look different. Well, I guess we don't see what they look like. They're just shadows, really.
Jack: Over here, they're just shadows. We have no idea what it looks like over there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We'd have to be there to see.
Cristina: What it looks like. Okay.
Jack: Yeah, we have no idea what it looks like. But over here, what crossed over looks kind of like a wolf. Like a weird, fuzzy shadow wolf. But it's just because we're seeing something that isn't really here.
Cristina: Because it's in the shadow realm.
Jack: Because it's in the shadow realm, humans are already particularly intelligent. They take it. They, again, like everything else, get immortal. Keep in mind the werewolf also became immortal. And it was a werewolf for longer than it was a wolf. It could last many, many decades. Centuries. Millennia. And its conscious mind believes that's it. And that is what manifests on the other side. Humans become vampires.
Cristina: Awesome.
Jack: Yes. Our understanding of vampires are what humans become. They are agile, they are fast, they are way more intelligent than they were previously. They are capable creatures. They are powerful creatures. And when you die, you cross over.
Cristina: A vampire, and then you're a shadow vampire. In a way, yes.
Jack: What we see are these beings that can outsmart us. They seem to trick us everywhere. We often call the humans that continue to interact with us on this side tricksters. We call them gods because their ability. They're super intelligent and they know.
Cristina: They know what they want.
Jack: They know what they want, and they know where they are relative to where they came from, which feral creatures don't seem to be aware of because they're still just creatures.
Cristina: So they're just attacking anything.
Jack: Yeah. They can see over here, when they're around enough emotion to manifest, but they're not thinking, oh, there was enough of emotion. And I'm a manifest. Yeah, A vampire can make that choice.
Cristina: Actively pop up wherever he wants to.
Jack: Because you're aware of the rules, you're aware of how it works, and you could choose to do it while the werewolf is still chaotic and madness is not thinking. I'm a manifest on the other side.
Cristina: And these things need food to survive, too. These shadows. Yes.
Jack: There's food over there. As Normal. And there's food over here as normal. And fear allows you to manifest, and you can sort of influence things on this side. And we feel the emotions of that side the way they feel our emotions that allow them to form. And what happens is when we feel their emotions, what happens when they feel ours? They can be over here a little more, except we're literally over there and over here. So what they're f****** with is a version of us that's being sucked to that side a little more. And they can still hurt us over there and it affect us over here if we're starting to manifest more and more on that end.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So that's how somebody gets. For example, the wet judge gets inside of a person's head. This person goes and kills their whole family.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You're feeling the rage that a hungry wetcha just feeling.
Cristina: What about the people who are attacked by what they think are like, their dead family members that are in the grave, and they're like they're drinking the life out of me. Is that really just a shadow person? Those are shadow people maybe drinking their life in that other shadow realm.
Jack: Yes. Well, it looks like when it comes to a lot of these creatures, the feral argument we had seems to take place exclusively over there now. Yeah. Vampire who doesn't have adrenochrome can become a feral and be dangerous on this side before they even die.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they can live feral. The same idea applies over there, but it doesn't have to do with blood necessarily. It has to do with the fact that maybe too much emotion is overwhelming.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And they lose sanity.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that's just out there attacking anything and everything. This.
Cristina: They stop thinking because of too much emotion.
Jack: Too much emotion.
Cristina: Wow. Yeah.
Jack: It's f****** crazy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now, humans cross over, as we discussed. They become the jinn. A jinn is clever. It is smart. Again, over here, we call them humans. Well, we did. Yeah. Those are just humans. When they cross over, they're a jinn. But often over here, we call them tricksters. We call them gods. We call them all these other things, but it's a jinn. It's just a person.
Cristina: Okay. This is unrelated to the vampire.
Jack: This is the vampire. Vampire crosses over.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The human is the vampire. The vampire is the gin.
Cristina: All right. It's just a different name.
Jack: Well, the vampire is on this side.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The djinn is once. It's over there. That's the title we've accurately. When we're talking about djinns, we're talking about that yes. Now, instances that sort of break the illusion of blood being a necessity are when we consider gorillas.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Well, a gorilla is not necessarily even a meat eater. They could survive off of fruit and stuff like that. And then you give them adrenochrome and.
Cristina: Then they become something.
Jack: They become a Sasquatch. They become a Sasquatch, their intellect does skyrocket. It becomes almost human, like, just like.
Cristina: They're not after me or anything.
Jack: No, it just follows them by a tiny little bit. We. I mean, they follow hu. It's intellect follows human just by a tiny little bit.
Cristina: It's not for the emotion. What is it for? The emotion?
Jack: No, that has nothing to do with the emotion.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: When they have adrenochrome, the Sasquatch's intellect goes up as one of the physical responses it has.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And its intellect goes almost to that of a human, just not quite there. Just super close, but not quite there. And it doesn't chase meat any more than it did before. It's equally elusive. Sometimes it's more elusive. It uses intellect to like, what the f*** am I? And it's just like, let me stay awake because I know they're gonna kill me if they see me or some s*** like that, you know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it doesn't like, strive to kill or anything. And it also doesn't become feral.
Cristina: There's no feral version.
Jack: There's no feral version. And it does stay immortal.
Cristina: Is it just that meat. Meat eaters are turning?
Jack: I don't know. That's an interesting point. That's a very interesting point. It could be additionally a. Like, they're immortal in the sense that they're gonna live way longer than our scope can understand. And when they cross over, they have their own thing over there too. But on this side, their physical transformation and everything, nothing seems to affect it in any kind of negative way. It's just gonna live longer. It's way better and stronger than everything around it.
Cristina: And it hides.
Jack: And it could hide more effectively. Now, when a gorilla dies, it becomes a creature called a Shojo. And a Shojo is literally the translation for a. Now this is. I don't remember what culture it's from, but they've seen many of these repeatedly. And it's a spirit ape.
Cristina: A spirit ape?
Jack: Yep. It's a ethereal, ambiguously shaped. Kind of looks like the cross between an ape and a person. And it's a spirit of some sort.
Cristina: So it's probably the Sasquatch.
Jack: It's the Sasquatch that died?
Cristina: Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's from somewhere.
Jack: Yeah, it's. I believe it's either Shinto or some kind of Chinese mythology that they have that they actively have seen these creatures.
Cristina: And these things are also peaceful.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What?
Jack: They're trolls, but they don't really harm anybody.
Cristina: Oh, they're a bit of a trickster. Like.
Jack: Yes. It seems like intellect leads to trolling pretty often.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Which definitely gives way to the argument that when a ghost is haunting you, it's really just a shadow person. Like bored.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And the interesting between the Sasquatch is that there's something very similar to it that we kind of associated with it probably through all of time. But in looking into this, I did not realize that it wasn't this other thing. So bears all have their own forms as well. But there is one particular interesting thing that when you give a bear adrenochrome, specifically a polar bear, it becomes a yeti.
Cristina: A yeti. Okay.
Jack: And the yeti, when you put it next to a Sasquatch, you suddenly realize.
Cristina: They'Re not the same thing.
Jack: They're not the same thing. The features are so ape in a Sasquatch, while the yeti seems to be hair everywhere. It's a. Its hands are fuzzy, its face is fuzzy. It's a f****** bear. But I never thought about this until I started looking for where it comes from, for what's surrounding it.
Cristina: See a picture of a yeti. I can't remember what it looks like. Okay.
Jack: You see the difference?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The yeti is just a f******. I don't know why we didn't think about it. We just. Monkey man. It's cuz everything has to be human because we're f****** human. We're like always. It's us. It has to be us.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, no f****** way. It's us.
Cristina: And they're peaceful.
Jack: They're also peaceful. Which is weird because it breaks the argument that a meat eater would become a meat eater. A yeti doesn't eat meat. It could survive off of fish and s***, but berries and s***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The reactions are so different that it doesn't keep consistent across the board.
Cristina: Is there a ghost version?
Jack: Yes. The ghost version of the yeti is called an onikuma. And that's basically, we've called it a demonic spirit bear. Literally translated to demonic shadow bear.
Cristina: But is it demonic?
Jack: No, it's just again, a spirit. It's shadowy on our side. Yes.
Cristina: Demon.
Jack: It's anomalous on our side. The cultures that have seen it are still relatively primitive cultures that live on the outskirts of the planet rather than in giant societies where we develop quickly. So the stories are still really primitive and it's by people who weren't so developed. So they're still describing anything that's not human as demon, essentially. Okay, and now to keep talking about variants of this. Earlier I said not everything has a physical response to adrenochrome. To adrenochrome. And that's where we have the variants of groundhogs.
Cristina: Groundhogs?
Jack: Well, of rodents particularly. Now, the groundhog himself doesn't change into anything. It takes adrenochrome.
Cristina: And it still looks like.
Jack: And it still looks like a groundhog.
Cristina: But so do humans.
Jack: Yes. We physically don't go through a lot.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, interesting, right?
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: The groundhog does become faster. It does become smarter. It does live centuries because faster.
Cristina: You had stories of it faster, but.
Jack: It physically remains the same.
Cristina: Whoa.
Jack: But a beaver, that is the cousin, becomes a whole other creature called a kolokolo.
Cristina: Is that a also friendly thing or what? What's going on with that creature?
Jack: Not necessarily. A colo. Colo is. Doesn't have human like intellect, but is quite the savage because of it. While the groundhog has human literally comparable to a human. No other creature matches a human intellect than a groundhog. Than a groundhog it seems to be. Now, there's probably others, but based on what we got in response to questions, this.
Cristina: Is the adrenochrome affecting its intelligence?
Jack: Yes. And it brings it all the way up to humans basic intelligence.
Cristina: Well, it does not do the same for the beaver. The beaver?
Jack: Nope. Now, interesting enough, when they cross over, they both cross over as a very similar creature.
Cristina: And they have different names.
Jack: No, it's exactly the same name because it seems to be exactly the same creature. Whether it's feral or not is the problem because this creature is sometimes perfectly innocent and fine, and other times it's violent and gruesome.
Cristina: So you could assume it might be one or the other.
Jack: Guess based on behavior. And that's called a choppa, a chapa. Yeah. And it's a rodent spirit. But the chapa only comes from beavers and groundhogs and similar things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So genetically they're so close that they.
Cristina: Look the same on the other side.
Jack: Yes, they look the same on the other side.
Cristina: Okay. But in this side, they look. They don't change at all, pretty much.
Jack: The beaver does change.
Cristina: The beaver changes.
Jack: Okay, Beaver changes into the kola kola, which is basically a gruesome, like Giant rat monster.
Cristina: A giant rat monster. Awesome.
Jack: It looks like a dog's eye size.
Cristina: Dog size. Yeah.
Jack: Imagine a sharp toothed brat the size of a dog. And that's the colo. Colo.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Pretty interesting, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So these are just details from the other side.
Cristina: Details from the other side.
Jack: Now we have a way clear image of what's happening, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Before it was like, well, it could be this, it could be that. No, this is what's going on.
Cristina: This is from just people collecting stories.
Jack: This is data.
Cristina: Data.
Jack: This is all data. Now focusing entirely just on the shadow realm for a second and talking about the creatures that are on that side. I only mentioned two and I mentioned.
Cristina: The two obvious ones, the demons and angels.
Jack: The demons and angels, which are just beings from that side. And there are many more that behave in different ways the same way. We have animals and we have creatures of different sorts, as are there creatures on the other side, some of which are unbelievably notable. Like what, for example? A leviathan.
Cristina: A leviathan.
Jack: Leviathan is a large serpent like creature and it can shapeshift.
Cristina: Is that from the Bible or from something else?
Jack: It's from many systems, including the Bible.
Cristina: Many systems.
Jack: Many systems have that. Many belief systems, many theologies.
Cristina: Do they all call them that or is it just a giant serpent? And like the descriptions are like the descriptions are the same.
Jack: Funny enough, the descriptions are always identical and the name a good half of the time is leviathan, just in a different language. Well, but a lot of times it's just called giant serpent or it has a different name that is talking about the same creature, but they're all talking about leviathans that are just giant shape shifting snakes, that their main form is the snake. It's like a sea. It's like a sea serpent.
Cristina: It's a shapeshifter.
Jack: Here's an interesting thing about that shapeshifter and it's about a creature we never found. But we found what it was protecting.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: We once took a trip under the lake and we found a base. And what was supposed to be protecting that base that we never found?
Cristina: The sea monster.
Jack: The sea monster. Nessie.
Cristina: Nessie is the one.
Jack: We only see the neck and think there's a body. No, the reason we can't find it is because it's not there. We're seeing. And what do we see in the photos that do get taken? A shadowy serpent.
Cristina: She's a leviathan.
Jack: It's a leviathan. And we're seeing this side. What we would see its shadow form.
Cristina: Okay. And those other sea monsters are probably also leviathans pretty frequently.
Jack: Yes. And this also goes to say that when, for example, we see Sasquatch in the woods and we try to take a picture, it looks like it's. It's literally. It's funny that I've made this joke before, but it is literally that it is fuzzy.
Cristina: It's because it's the Shadow Realm.
Jack: Because it's the Shadow Realms version of it. Oh, we're seeing the Shoju. If we manage to get a clear picture, then we have one from this side.
Cristina: But we've been taking pictures of the Shadow Realm version.
Jack: Yes. Because they have no reason to hide from us.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah. So we see a fuzzy. And it's literally because it is fuzzy.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which takes us to other things that would be considered animals on the other side that we have seen but haven't seen.
Cristina: Like shadow people themselves.
Jack: Shadow people themselves. One of them is unicorns.
Cristina: What?
Jack: We see unicorns, but we never see unicorns. It was there and then suddenly it wasn't there.
Cristina: They live in the Shadow Realm.
Jack: They are creatures from the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: What?
Jack: As well as dragons.
Cristina: No way. What? So everything we thought that we saw but never really saw, most of the.
Jack: Things that we thought we saw but can't prove exist is because we'd have no means to do. And it's because they come from the. We're seeing rough images of something from somewhere else.
Cristina: And they're from the Shadow Realm.
Jack: The Shadow Realm. We only think of it as a dark place because we're using the word shadow. Yes, but it is just different.
Cristina: It's a magical place. Well, they're not magical, though.
Jack: But they're not magical. But it is a different kind of place where these things exist. And talking about magical, there are a couple of beings, naturally, with the ability to exist fully in both places, but. But only exist in one at a time. And I don't know the explanation behind this, but pixies and goblins both have the ability to enter and exit, which we can't even do. Yeah. The Shadow Realm. When they're in the physical realm, they are not in the Shadow Realm. They are not there. They don't have two versions. They have one. And somehow they don't exist in two realms at once, but because of that, they can 100% exit one and enter the other, but they do it at will, as if their shadow version and their physical version are the same. Are the same.
Cristina: Can they die.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
Cristina: Okay. I'm totally gonna investigate this.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know if they could die. I don't know what's happening. They don't require adrenochrome. There's no. They could just move seamlessly between the two.
Cristina: Oh my gosh. I'm gonna. I'm gonna figure it out.
Jack: And the weirdest part about them is that I found it in many, many, many places. Mentions Pixies and goblins move seamlessly. They seem to disappear in front of you sometimes. There's no way they could have shown up. And they're just f****** there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And this is consistent. And it's through hundreds of systems that they say the same f****** things about the same two m************. I don't know how the f*** it works. Additionally, reapers are from limbo. Reapers are. When we're talking demons, that's as close as we can get because demons on that side, we're being a*******, essentially calling some conscious, fully thinking creature that's just not following.
Cristina: What exactly is a reaper supposed to be?
Jack: A reaper is a sort of feral being that consumes life force. What it feeds on is your shadow form.
Cristina: Oh, that's the thing that I was talking about. That might be why you're dying and you blame it on the dead. But it might be a reaper.
Jack: S***. I guess it could be a reaper that's doing that. Yeah, I guess it would be. So a reaper feeds on your shadow energy. It feeds on your shadow self and. Because if one dies, the other dies.
Cristina: Exactly. Oh my gosh. That explains those stories.
Jack: Yes. So you could die if your spirit form dies, although if your shadow form dies. But not many things can interact with your shadow form.
Cristina: Do you know what a reaper looks like? Or are there no real good descriptions from over there?
Jack: We have no way of telling. We don't know what a demon really looks like.
Cristina: We have ideas.
Jack: We don't know what an angel looks like. We've literally described them as just pure energy. The reaper is the same idea. It's just their behavior that we can tell is different.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And what they look like roughly? Over here, we've seen that the manifestation of some angels looks humanoid, but then there are some angels that look so alien. But it could just be a different creature that we're also bunching into the umbrella term called angel.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And there could just be a 300 eyeball looking creature that is fully sentient thanks to the caliber of a human. And all that. And then we see it and we're like, that's an angel. But wait, that guy that looks like a man is an angel? And they're both. We're calling them both angels, but they're different creatures entirely.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So that's a possibility. There could be many sentient human level intellect creatures. It's impossible to tell without being there.
Cristina: Like a goblin and a pixie.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: I mean, no, you would know those two specifically because you said they are physically here and physically there.
Jack: Physically here. Physically.
Cristina: Those two we know for sure?
Jack: Yes, yes.
Cristina: Everything else.
Jack: There might be others that could do it, but those were, like, the most prominent. Anytime information on this came up, and anytime I asked these. These creatures for more, all of them talked about how every possible. And I looked, I referenced everything. I checked all of it. Yes, it's mentioned over and over.
Cristina: Check it out. I'm gonna figure it out. What?
Jack: So, yeah, this was amazing. Going in on the Shadow Realm.
Cristina: The Shadow realm. For Happy St. Patrick. No, sorry.
Jack: Happy Groundhog Day.
Cristina: Groundhog Day.
Jack: Well, it all. It all came out of Groundhog's Day, which is great. But, yeah, this is the result of that. I got curious and I had to find out because I don't. I don't believe in mysticism. I do not. And I knew there was an explanation for this stuff.
Cristina: And this is a good enough explanation.
Jack: Yeah. The interesting part about this is the most interesting part about everything we just talked about is the fact that technology could theoretically be built to get you there. Again, my comparison at the very beginning was intentional. It is kind of like a different frequency.
Cristina: And what technology do you need?
Jack: Imagine a time machine that allows you to move forward and back in time. Or imagine taking a chemical that allows you to elevate up and down dimensions. That's all technology.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Some are chemicals, some are machines. The same way that you can go up and down dimensions forward and back through time, you can move side to side through realms. Another thing I should point out in saying that is the Shadow Realm isn't the only realm other than ours. That was just all I was talking about.
Cristina: Oh, my God.
Jack: I also found that there is quite the number of realms. Quite the number of realms.
Cristina: Did you check them all out?
Jack: No, but I know they're there.
Cristina: Oh, man, that's interesting.
Jack: Many realms, many dimensions, many universes, many timelines. Everything applies equally. That is not the only one.
Cristina: That's too much. That's too much.
Jack: And we exist in all of us.
Cristina: Simultaneously, and we live in all of them.
Jack: It's basically the X, Y, Z axises, we're thinking, you know, we're always in the Y axis. We're always in the X axis. Time. We're always moving through time, forward and back, depth.
Cristina: But there's so much more going on.
Jack: There's so much more. We have the Y, I guess X is so Z axis is depth. Right. Z axis is time forward and back through the same kind of experience, while the Y axis is dimensions up and down, but the X axis left and right are dimensions. And this is just our interaction with one of them.
Cristina: Amazing, man. But the other realms, there should in.
Jack: Theory be chemicals or technologies that can allow us to access the other realms the same way. And it's not adrenochrome. There would be something else, equal, but opposite.
Cristina: And we gotta find out what that is and what creatures can do it and etc.
Jack: Here's the problem. I think we know creatures that can do it. And that takes us back to the f****** pixies and the goblins. If they are one thing. Are they one thing regardless of how many different realms and can they easily and seamlessly move between them?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Alternatively, I only said as an explanation that heaven, h*** and limbo are all the same place. But do we simultaneously exist through all of them and they are all different realms? Because it was just an easy way to summarize it. But we don't f****** know.
Cristina: We don't know. Wow. Well, hopefully I'm gonna at least go through the pixie hunt and see what I find through them and maybe we'll see these other realms mentioned.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Who knows?
Jack: And I'm gonna see if I can find which technolog maybe get us to access the shadow realm. And if that works, there are many other places we can go.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed this and if you did, there is a previous part to this and many topics discussing all these creatures and so many.
Cristina: Other episodes to check out.
Jack: Yeah, just it's. It's so much. Just go look at all the other stuff. Yes, and you can find all that other stuff on the official website greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.
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Jack: Bye. And he's one of the four gods.
Cristina: Shaggy 100% can rewrite the last 20 years of their history. 150% can create and destroy planets. 200 to 1000%. Not much. Only his existing abilities become stronger and can rewrite the last 2000 years and can destroy galaxies, etc. Where are these percentages coming from? 1500% can and will destroy Fred, leading to a utopia.
Jack: To a utopia. Here's what's interesting about this and completely fascinating. He's the God of destruction. Shaggy is the God of destruction.
Cristina: He is. Is the cat God.
Jack: Yeah. He's the real Beerus.
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