Grey Thoughts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so let's do a quick recap for anybody who is new and anybody who needs the recap that might have missed a couple of episodes. We totally got off the Elysians because we loot. You're using all of their awesome knowledge to find weird things current day instead of keep digging infinitely into the past. And boy, have we found some s***. So for anybody not aware using current day, I mean, using the knowledge we acquired from the past, we've looked at a couple of different things, including some ancient structures like Stonehenge. And we looked at the comparison. Yes. We looked at mysterious places. We looked at Skywalker Ranch. We looked at basically a bunch of things just using the acquired information. And in doing so we came across a couple of patterns. And then we applied these patterns to things we're personally familiar with because we can go investigate these things. And so in doing so, we've been going through Clinton Road making sense of the weirdness that happened 15 years ago. And we've actually come to some interesting informational conclusions using the cross reference information we have. Great. Fantastic. A couple of those details included an episode per episode take on all the different sections of things that are just echoes, things that are some phantoms of some sort, and actual total significant things. And within those groups we've come across other things to look at. Primarily the. The big focus that we had was to see what is out there that we can ground.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we went on the path of the. The lady.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether she's a shadow person or whatever. Yes, whatever she is.

Jack: And so we investigated that and there's a lot about her. It turns out as we deducted that there might be one person, might be one person. And there seems to be a literal timeline happening, a point in which they start to show up and a bunch of events that follow it. It looks like a girl shows up and then she's in panic for years. And slowly as time goes by, she's more adjusted to her scenario. Kind of like somebody got lost in the shadow realm and had to acclimate, but was scared at the beginning when we were seeing her. Scared. And then over time very adapted and over time trying to investigate the scenario, no longer scared of it. And eventually looks like a scientist almost Investigating and running tests out there. Almost ignoring the people that she sees. And that's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically, something about the lake. She's taking samples and doing something to the lake. The lake is something important, although we can't tell what.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we can't tell whether she was living in the castle or if that was a base of operations of some sort. Because a lot of times I just saw her hanging out, like, living there.

Cristina: I don't think she's living there because there's so much happening there that there's no way you can live there when.

Jack: There'S so much unless there's nothing happening. And all the people we see live there.

Cristina: That's a lot of people. Could be.

Jack: Could definitely be. So that's where we were. And one of the thing. One of the notes we came across was a couple of notes, actually, public records, mentioning this girl along with the boy. Those two separate occasions when she was seen with the boy. Once at the bridge and another one, another spot. And so I went ahead and I looked at the boy in particular, because we got the lady. And the lady is connected to another human. Who's the young boy on top of that. The lady began as a girl. Looked like a young girl in 1950, 1965. But the word girl became a lady, and the word lady became a woman as time went by. Giving us a visual that people are describing what they seem to be like.

Cristina: Aging person.

Jack: An aging person. The term seems accurate to them when they're describing it. Began with girl, cross through lady, and ended up a woman. That's an aging person. And by the understandings we have, people who age must be from this side. At least that's what it seems like to us.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because we don't know what's happening.

Jack: Yes. We have no clue. So let us begin by showing you some images. And I want you to just tell the listeners what it is you're looking at. That's all that matters.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: They're going to see the images and post, like, the episode thumbnail and stuff like that. But it is very important that you look at this and tell me what it is you see.

Cristina: Are you somehow related to each other?

Jack: The same place?

Cristina: Okay, the first one. Because the first one, I can't really tell what it is.

Jack: Ruins.

Cristina: It's ruins. Yeah. The second one is a doorway into the ruins. Unless this is the tower or castle, whatever. No, but it doesn't look like a castle. And the third one, it looks like just a building in the forest.

Jack: Yeah. These are different angles at the same place.

Cristina: The third one doesn't look real, though.

Jack: No, the third one isn't real.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Is that like, what people think?

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like.

Cristina: What? Yeah, like what it used to look like, but like what people think it used to look like.

Jack: No, that's what it looks like. That's what it used to look like. Exactly what it used to look like. It just so happens to be a perfect rendition instead of a sort of rustic looking one. The idea was to get a perfect visual of what it looks like.

Jack: Which.

Cristina: It looks like a house, I guess. I don't know. It looks strange. It doesn't look like a house either. It looks like a building, but it doesn't look like anything.

Jack: Okay, saying it doesn't look like this, it doesn't look like that. Not helpful. Describe what you're looking at. You describe the doorway. That's.

Cristina: There's a doorway. There's a fireplace. I think there's something in the bottom. I don't know what that is. That's round, going down. Like a pipe. Yes, There you go. Pipe. There's a pipe.

Jack: A pipe. Doing what? Saying there's a pipe means nothing. There's a pipe going from the base wall down to a different. Down to. It turns down into another level. That's a description right there. It's turning from a second story down into a first story. The chimney you're describing is connected to the building, but towards the largest fragment of it. There are three different fragments to the tower, as far as we can tell. And we can confirm that based on the structure that we're looking at, where we can't see the other parts of it. It does have a triangular form. So there must be a more steady form behind it, which in other images you'll notice not. And I don't have the image here, but the. In the bottom image, you're looking at where the smaller piece that's actually behind the two images we're looking at.

Cristina: So there's two ways in.

Jack: There's not. I mean, yeah, sure, there's two ways in, but what you're looking at is. Yeah, yeah. So you're looking at the back of it and then the bottom one, we're looking at the front of it. That's technically the actual front.

Cristina: The bottom image, the bottom one is so dark, I can't tell if there's windows. Is there windows?

Jack: There are windows, yes.

Cristina: Okay. Because I know it look really strange if it's just two ways in and then windows. But okay, so there's windows. It looks like it's made out of some kind of brick.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And I'm not sure what it's supposed to. Like maybe it's a home.

Jack: It's not a home. Doesn't matter what you think it is. Just describe what you see.

Cristina: Yeah, that's all I see. A building, a forest.

Jack: All right, I'll keep adding some details. Yes. It's made out of a red and brown brick style. The main attraction here is the centerpiece that seems to be the focal point of almost every image. And the rest of the structures kind of fade away to the background. The tower has been knocked down over time. That's the most collapsed part. You can actually see it on the other side here. The building is towards the front and you can see the tower towards the back there. And the original building was well known for what you see here, the green. It was covered in moss everywhere. That doesn't get seen in the newer versions because the forest around it has been sort of killed by its own ruins.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Preventing the. It sort of covered the ability for dirt to grow grass and s***. So it's ruins are stopping the growth. And so the moss has vanished. And so everything is kind of disappeared. But ultimately it was very covered. Now what you're looking at is called the furnace.

Cristina: Furnace.

Jack: Yes. What you're looking at is called the furnace. And the furnace. That's why it has a chimney. That's where you would let the smoke out. The background pipe is to run different materials. And it's in facility. I cannot tell you what the f*** this was used for originally. There are so many stories, it's not even worth getting into. I'm not talking about what it was used for. Too many things. It's a furnace. Think of uses for it. People were using it for that. Whatever you can think of using cremation. Somebody cremated somebody there. You need to get rid of material that's toxic. Somebody did that in there. It's a furnace. It was used for whatever they say.

Cristina: It was used for. Whatever.

Jack: Yes. I'm telling you what? I'm telling you what. All the information I've acquired. Oh, I'm not adding any sauce to anything.

Cristina: Anything. Okay.

Jack: That was a furnace and was used for many things. I'm not sure which one of them were actually used for. These are just different things it could have been used for. So we're not even gonna bother talking about that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because I know you will. We're not Gonna break into what it was used for because it doesn't matter to the ultimate bigger picture of what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The point of this furnace is that in looking for the kid, I found this. This is one of the places the kid was found. Really? Yeah.

Cristina: What? So that's somewhere in.

Jack: This is the Clinton furnace.

Cristina: Whoa. It's just in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Just in the woods.

Cristina: That's. That's pretty creepy. But okay, yes.

Jack: So the bridge, very prominent location for the child. The furnace, second, very prominent location for the child. They show up in other places. These are the two most consistent, like last time, a bunch of records that I even put timelines about how often they were mentioned within these gaps. Same idea, except I'm not doing that timeline thing. But these were the two most extreme mentions at the bridge. But we've heard that one a lot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And looking into that, found very little. Yeah, the furnace, weird anomaly. You start looking into the furnace, you find the furnace's existence. You find public records of the kid being mentioned. Oh, there's been a lost boy. We think we saw a boy loss. We think we saw runaway by there. All these different scenarios of there's a young boy somewhere around the ruins of the furnace.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, okay, so that was interesting. So I start looking into the furnace.

Cristina: It has to be a hotspot, right?

Jack: It has to be a hot spot. Or it doesn't have to be a hot spot, but there's something weird about the furnace. And then we find only even in public records, even in documentations of construction, even. There's no direct link as to why this exists, just theories as to why it was there and what it was being used for. Yeah, very strange.

Cristina: How long ago do you have, like a year it was made or something?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: No, it's just very obscure information on this. It's sort of unknown.

Cristina: It's just, it's a mystery.

Jack: It's a legitimate mystery.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So I was, I wanted to know who owns this right now, who owns that? And like it's somebody's property. Otherwise I could just go there and say, it's mine. Yeah, somebody owns it.

Jack: So I look at who owns it and okay, it lands right back where we started. It was owned by the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, the people who own the woods.

Cristina: Okay, so what were they doing?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. The problem is that existed already and it was bought by NORC when the other guy died. Okay, so we're gonna talk about that for a second. What do we what do you remember specifically about that? Or should I just go into it and not bother.

Cristina: Let me try. Let me try a little. Okay. See, they were hired to investigate the kkk. I think that's what I remember.

Jack: Okay, I'll jump into it. When the owner died, his. Their family. His family sold the property, the castle and the land to the NORC Watershed Organization, the new Watershed.

Cristina: Did you?

Jack: Yes, I did.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The Newark Watershed Organization was then contacted by the mayor.

Cristina: That's what I remember, the mayor.

Jack: So that they can work. I mean, they were. Contact. Yeah. The Norquater Shed and the mayor. Yeah. Mayor of West Milford work together to investigate because there were reports of cult activity. And so they go and research, come up with nothing. The guy retires, and then we get mentions of the kkk.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were just working along. So the structure existed before that. They acquired the property, the castle. And that was on the property. So that's theirs too. So that's what the background to that was, wasn't. They were hired to look at the kkk.

Cristina: Because at that time, people were just.

Jack: Cool with the kkk. Unless you were black.

Cristina: Okay. It was about the Colts.

Jack: Yeah. So when Richard J. Cross died, who is a former owner, is when it was acquired. Now looking at the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, which for short, I might just call NORC Watershed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: NORC Watershed was being investigated for corruption from 2008 to 2013. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were found guilty in 2013 for corruption. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. What are they doing?

Jack: Key thing to matter about here is ownership of the entire property shifts to the city of Newark in 2013, where it has ignored the forest facilities since. Now, Newark Watershed was in charge of maintaining and taking care of the forest. And in the 1950s, as it was falling into disrepair, people started hanging out in that area. And that's what you know. There's kids hanging out in there and we got these reports of satanic things. We cannot have kids trying to think it's fun and scary and go check it out. That's dangerous. We gotta investigate, make sure there's nothing there. So when kids show up, they don't eventually, you know, what was it, 1988 like? You just knock it down. Kids are still going to this f****** day. And that s***'s dangerous now. It's falling apart so much, it's dangerous. Just knock it down so nobody gets hurt out there.

Cristina: Which one they're knocking down? The castle.

Jack: Yeah, the castle. This is about the castle. But so they. When newark acquired in 2013, they just ignored it. But it was already in disrepair. So it was nothing. It's like at least nobody's stealing money and saying they're. So what are the charges that they were given that they were in fact guilty for? So two charges. Let's unpack the first one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first charge is kickback schemes. I'll explain. A kickback scheme is when you create a loop scenario where you get profit off of money that was supposed to go for something else. Usually we call that taking off the top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. So what was happening? No maintenance or oversight was being performed specifically on the property of Clinton Road. The surrounding forests and structures. Specifically on that. They. The Northwatershed organization owns a bunch of things.

Cristina: And they just abandoned it? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, they abandoned this place. They own a bunch of things. They're in charge of maintaining a bunch of places. And they just don't do that for Clinton Road or the forest specifically. That area. All their other s*** is well maintained. And Clinton Road is so wide and the things are so hard to locate within it that there's no point. You could just take them out their word. Whatever. Who's out there anyways? Right. Funding provided by the city of Newark for the property, for maintaining the property was paid to shell companies owned by members of the organization. So fake. Other companies would come in and maintain with the budget provided by. But those companies were owned by the members. Fun. And no worker was sent in to maintain anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So all of it, a hundred percent of it is pocket money. On top of the fact that goes through somebody's quote company, unquote. So they get more money through tax and stuff. Because you're running a business.

Cristina: That's so strange that they would pick the spots and just ignore.

Jack: It is so strange. I would pick this spot to be fair. So strange.

Cristina: Wonder why.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just stealing the money. That seems like the logical reason. Nobody's gonna look at this. Just stealing the money. What else could we say it is? Right. It's a bunch of people. They know all the property is in ruins or so distant into the woods. And people don't normally get out of their car. Most people are scared. And the few people who make it that far, they're already careful enough. Do this frequently. It's like there's no worries here. Really. Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even the investigation from the 50s was just for caution. No kid is going to go and really get hurt because these are thrill seekers. Which means they're usually the more cautious individuals because they're familiar with thrill seeking. So what do you do? You pocket the money. This is stupid project. We acquired the thing and whatever.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: So what's interesting is in the document, it elaborates as this has been going on for about 70 years.

Cristina: How many? Seven.

Jack: 70 years.

Cristina: 70. Oh, okay.

Jack: Whoa. It could not have been the same people. 70 years is aggressively long. You tell me 20 years, I can believe the same people were doing it. You tell me 70 years. That's two entire lifetimes. If you started at one person, he died, and now another person, then he died. Now that next person is in charge.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. Except why are they still running this system? Nobody came through who wasn't corrupt.

Cristina: Yeah, well, if they hire the people that are. I don't know. That's interesting.

Jack: Fair enough. Maybe Norquatershed was selecting its employees. Yeah, like, oh, I. I want to lift this guy from this other place and bring him with us. And it's like, you definitely work with him in other places. Probably mentioned, hey, I got some opportunities, you know, if you. If you could be trusted.

Cristina: It became a family business thing. Like, okay, my children.

Jack: Yes, essentially. Right. The names of the individuals, irrelevant. We look at them and it goes nowhere. It's just. They were really just racking in the money. That's it. It's just weird corruption thing. But I don't know. This is weird.

Cristina: Yeah. For seven, 70 years.

Jack: That's crazy about 70 years. And because for 70 years it wasn't maintained. That's why the castle went to disrepair. That's why everything became ruins. Nothing was being maintained and now nothing is left. Yeah, I mean, there's stuff out there, but none of it is maintained. So that is the first charge. The second charge is where it gets a little more interesting because the second charge was bribery.

Cristina: Who are they bribing? Okay, what's going on?

Jack: Well, members of the NORC Watershed organization were receiving third party donations in exchange for not performing all of their duties.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I see. They're getting money from whoever's using the forest to do whatever the mysterious things that people are saying that are happening there. Okay.

Jack: Emails, wire transfers, as well as paper trails dating more than two thirds of a century backed the investigation and the conviction of the members.

Cristina: So it's been happening since the beginning of 70 years to current day?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, not current, but when they decided to do something about it.

Jack: So I. We. There's a lot of math we have to think about right now. 70 years. This happens. The conviction in 2013. If we count backwards, where do we land? You take 10 from 70, you make it 60, that leaves you to 2003. Now you subtract 60 and that takes you to 1940.

Cristina: Okay, 1943.

Jack: Yeah. Right. Now this is, this is where it's going to get a little interesting. And we got to unpack some of these details. Now first. Weird. Before I go on to the next, let's. Let's unpack this real quick. Definitely. It sounds like you're right. There's this third party who's bribing them. Is bribing them for them ignoring the thing. Yes, because it doesn't say what duties they were to ignore. The two charges don't seem in paperwork related, but they're obviously to us. Yeah. You telling me they're being bribed to not do their job and telling me that they were receiving all the money provided for a job that was given directly to them and they were supposed to put for the thing, but they just pocketed and said that's the reality of what's happening here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two quote, unrelated, obviously related.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's so wrong.

Jack: It's weird too. So who is the third party? And none of you. Like, who the f***? Why are you guys okay with it instead of reporting? Then again, you don't care to be.

Cristina: With the cult, though. It's like the most. Like you were. That was the first time we hear of them. Like, oh, solve that cult problem. And like that cult problem probably took care of them. That's probably where it starts. I don't know. I don't remember what year that starts, though.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting, right? Because we assume it makes sense that this has been going on since it got bought, except it got bought in 1919. And if it got bought in 1919, then nothing makes less sense than 70 years back. Because even if we started at the year 2000, it would be 80 years already just to get to 1920. Then we'd have to add another 10 years to get to 2010. So that's 90. Or it's almost 100 years apart, but we're seeing 70. And when we do the math, we land in the 40s, 43. And when we find out when the lady was first mentioned, it's 1965.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're in the ballpark of something that's happening, but it's unclear what the f*** is happening. We're just insignificant time. So let's dive a little deeper into this. So the two primary members, everybody else was given fines. Everybody else was given jail time. These two spearheaders were given prison time.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Now let's unpack the details here. The bribery was. So they discontinue monitoring, specifically the forest. I find that later in the original documents for the courts, in the original case files, they were reported as separate, different cases. And there was almost an attempt, an intentionality to not relate them. It looked very intentional. There was never anybody who clearly stated, well, somebody was doing something in the forest if you guys weren't mentioned. Nowhere. But like, could it be any more obvious?

Cristina: Yes. Who is this? Other people? Where's that? Courtroom.

Jack: Yeah. And like the fact that there was no attempt to connect the dots. There was no attempt on record to connect the dots, but you could find anywhere else that the theories of people just. Yeah, it was definitely that they were getting paid for. Like, people know this. It's just common knowledge that this. Whoever this group was, was clearly paying these people to go in and out. But no document says it. No official court document says it. No official public document says it that they're related. Yeah. You find other non officialized documents throughout time that mention things.

Cristina: None of it mentions who this other party could be.

Jack: No. So, yeah. To allow the third party free access to the lands was ultimately the point. Weirdly enough, the third party's name had been redacted anywhere it had been mentioned.

Cristina: So they know who it is.

Jack: Yep. From everywhere. Doesn't matter where. And there again was an intentionality to not mention their name in a lot of places where it would be obvious that you would. In a proper court structure, you'd probably restructure this to forcefully include the name as often as possible, to reference back as often as possible. Just obviously absent from places. You'd structure things intentionally to have it weird.

Cristina: So they knew. They knew and. But for some reason, you can't say it.

Jack: The city of Nork. No, I don't know if West Milford had any f******.

Cristina: Yeah, but they. The city. What? Okay.

Jack: And I don't know what's happening because again, the mayor of Milford was concerned about weird things. He was the one staging organized like, you know, let's go investigate.

Cristina: Yes. And then he quit. So was he bribed to quit or something?

Jack: Something scary must have happened to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the paper trail extends straight into the very first initial agreement that was signed by this redacted named company. You know what this reminds me of? When we first found the trade route that goes to Epstein's Island. It was a whole episode. And this reminds me of that. I mean, it was like a shipping spot that was Just on this island.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would only take one trip, and it was to the Epstein's island. This reminds me of that level of sketch of, like, somebody went far to make this vanish.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The paper trail goes all the way to 8-3-19. That is the first sighting of the document. 8-3-19.

Cristina: How did they do it, though?

Jack: Like, it.

Cristina: That's so crazy that you said 70 years.

Jack: Like, how it has to be intentional with people hiring. They had to be hand picking everybody intentionally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was gonna eventually collapse. It's crazy it lasted that long.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Make it last that long.

Jack: But that means they were slipping and that's why they were put on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something was giving, and it was becoming too visible. And it was that time for the city to be like, you guys are not trustworthy anymore for whatever reason.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because they didn't go in and do anything. In fact, now it's less guarded. It's actively less guarded. And nobody's taking money for it. Nobody's been pretending to garden. Now it's just not guarded.

Cristina: I don't understand. Oh, maybe whoever this third party was realized, like, it doesn't matter. We don't have to keep paying these people. Like, they got them in trouble because now they don't have to bribe them because they know, like, okay, we. The laws make sense now that we don't need them.

Jack: Yeah, Fair. Maybe. It could totally be the case.

Cristina: Things are gonna just work out for us because there's no.

Jack: Yeah. They could have structural structured things in such a way that they're like, we couldn't get caught. And if we did get caught, we couldn't get in trouble.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, definitely. It could be. I don't know what the logic behind it is, but it's just a weird shift. This suddenly happened. Something made the Newark Watershed Organization irrelevant. Suddenly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not sure what, but something did. And it could have totally been that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Weird. And here's the thing. We had a period of random cars coming in and out. This sketchy. Unmarked black vehicles coming in and out. This gets signed in 1935, in 1939. And then in 1965. Actually, I have the thing right here. See, the very first mention.

Cristina: Oh, the cars.

Jack: Of the woman is actually 1965. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, 1965. And then where do we get mentions of the cars? Blah, blah, blah. No, 1966. Immediately following the lady. Okay, 1965 is when the lady shows up. 1966 is the cars. 1939 is when the agreement was signed. Now, I had to add this extra note here because of the nature of the situation, but I'm gonna scroll up to that real quick and I'm going to tell you something that is very exaggeratedly interesting. And we can unpack it after I say it. I don't know what it means or what it should mean. Let's unpack some of the acquisition details.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1919, Clinton Road is acquired by the NORC Watershed Organization. In 1939, the Sketchy Deal is performed. That is August 31st, the Last Thursday and day of the month. Why did I feel it was relevant to point that out? The Newark Watershed Organization signs a donor agreement on that date with a third party donor to leave Clinton Road and the surrounding forest unmaintained and unpatrolled. Now, why is the date so significant?

Cristina: I don't know. And tries to guess. I don't know.

Jack: The very, very, very next day is the beginning of World War II. The very next day this gets signed, and the very next day is the beginning of World War II. I don't know if that's relevant in any manner, shape or form. The very next day World War II started.

Cristina: Okay. Now is it coincidence? Yeah.

Jack: Now let's talk about this coincidence real quick. There's three pieces in here that make a lot of sense for what I just said. I don't know what they mean.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The date this was signed. Sightings of the KKK at the castle. And one other piece that stops it from being coincidences, but suddenly makes it something to observe. How do we start the episode with a boy. Where?

Cristina: In the furnace place.

Jack: There's nothing more N*** Germany than a furnace. Oh, we have the KKK, a furnace and the date before World War II all in the same place.

Cristina: Because we have no idea if that is the kkk.

Jack: We have no idea. We also know that druids look identical to a cloaked man. So, you know, just random details that just seem to build patterns. I don't know what that means. I don't know what the relevance of this date was. I was looking, what significant thing happened around here. Googling and s***. I'm like, what the f***? World War I started the very next day. Hours from this point.

Cristina: Interesting. I don't know. It's just weird. I don't know.

Jack: It's just weird. I also don't know.

Cristina: The boy. If there was other beings around the furnace, that'd be interesting. Like other ghosts.

Jack: There have been. There's just no repetition.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The boy is who's often seen there.

Cristina: Yeah, he Definitely feels like an echo type of thing. But then he's in two places.

Jack: He's in two places. And we know he's not an echo because of one detail. He interacts with the woman we know isn't an echo and that unless she's playing a role to look like an echo herself.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But she interacts with the boy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the boy isn't an echo, but he's always like.

Cristina: They never say he's doing something like, what is he doing here?

Jack: I don't know. He's always hanging around the furnace and he's always by the bridge. One or the other. It could just be a legit hangout spot by the bridge. Again, we've seen kids. Apparently they like to come close to the road and see people from the other side us roaming by. This could be that same thing. Kids is cool spot to see people from the other side.

Cristina: But if he and the girl are the same, why doesn't he age?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. And weirdly enough, I had the same thought and I looked.

Cristina: Is there a man?

Jack: No, no. The boy is always the boy from beginning, straight through. The boy is always a boy.

Cristina: He's a ghost. No matter what he is some kind of ghostly figure.

Jack: He might actually be a jinn. He might actually be a jinn who's achieving human like features somehow. I don't know. I don't know. The boy is weird. There was no age attached to it. It never became a teenager. It was never a young man. It was never an older. There's nothing. No, it's always a boy. Always a young boy. And that's weird because the lady aged around him.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Unless it's different boys. It doesn't seem to be. The descriptions all match. There seems to be very consistent. It could be different boys, but then they're in uniform.

Cristina: That's also very strange.

Jack: But now let's take a step back. This girl could be one of many girls and something extra wrong happened to her. Or all of them are girls and we're seeing a bunch because again, sometimes we still get mentions of the young girl. But rarely. Rarely. Maybe. Maybe there's just kids being experimented on. That fits the suit for 99 of the we've looked into.

Cristina: Yes, but do we never get the girl at the furnace?

Jack: I never know. No records of the girl at the furnace.

Cristina: Okay. What was the furnace doing in there? I don't know. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: What are we learning? What is this telling Us.

Cristina: There's things that look related but we cannot connect them.

Jack: Yeah. And there's some weird f****** NORC is in on whatever's happening. NORC knows, or at least it has an idea.

Cristina: Or they can't do anything about it.

Jack: Or they can't do anything about it. But no, I doubt that. I think there's. I don't know. Who knows? Maybe you're totally right. Like, what is the force that's so intense we just ignore it, let it go. The less people looking in that direction, the better. Literally dissolve this. Have nobody work it. Just say we're maintaining it and never do. Like, what? That's better than having somebody fakely maintain it. Yes. Less people to go look.

Cristina: That is strange. Yes. Who is this third party?

Jack: Who is this third party? I did everything to try to find any information. It was just non existent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it still. It brings into the question the fact that the kids don't age. Then adds this weird question. Because when we were looking at the girl, the lady and the woman, it looks, based on the timeline in which dimensions happen, that there is at least one person who's actually consistent, even if all the others might actually be other people. There is one person that people have seen more who is the same person and maybe all the others are different. So they see a bunch of little girls all the time, teenage girls, and then this one lady who's aged the entire time. They've continued to see all these young girls. They could. I think they're running experiments on children. And what we're seeing is actually different kids and something extra, extra, extra bad happened to this one person and they're somehow trapped in between areas or something.

Cristina: But you think kids are important in this?

Jack: I think. I mean, we keep seeing these children and the girl and like the girl became more rare as time went by. But I think it's because of the prominence of the woman, not because the girls lessened. I think it's the prominence of the woman. Everybody sees the woman, she's there.

Cristina: And the people that hang out on the beach though, are they children? Do you remember? Yeah. Where she gets the water? There's always like people hanging out there.

Jack: You mean the lake?

Cristina: The lake, yes. There's always people hanging out there that we assume are like maybe different echoes from a certain.

Jack: Yes, it looks like those are actually echoes. Or not even a neck. Yes, yes, it's an echo. They're literally looking through a portal into a different time. Yeah, that's not now. And that's not like now would still Be now regardless of which realm you're in. But then would be then regardless of what realm you're looking in. And he's just literally looking at a different time and those people aren't there. That seems to be the case that there's a lot of like time pockets around the lake, which would also like what happened in the lake that she's also so focused on the lake.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If she's trapped between realms and trying to find a way out. Where the most bubbles exist is where you would be doing the most experiments.

Cristina: I suppose that could be.

Jack: She could be trying to get out or jump into either side. But then, is there an in between frequency you can land in that means that realms would be infinite. If there's an in between space, that means realms are infinite.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Because the way they describe the fairy. Using the fairy realm to travel through the shadow realm makes it seem like there is no in between. Like there is, but you can't actually be in the in between.

Jack: Except that is really, really old thinking. Considering we corrected that with how Herme later explained literally being able to just walk in with nothing but thought power. That's very different. How you manipulating reality so much. You could just. I'm here now in L. F. Okay. And that violates what we were reading before. What was other people's interpretation? That they are using it to cut path. And that made it look like satellites. But then eventually we found things that make it look like Earth and shadow are literally just. You boxed off a part of shadow.

Cristina: And called it Earth.

Jack: And it looks kind of like maybe there's some connection there in the same fashion between Elfame and the shadow realm. And in that case, they are physically, literally in Elfame and physically, literally in the shadow realm. When they are moving through those, it would seem that maybe Elfame is smaller somehow. And in return, going to Elfhame could allow you shortcuts, and that would make sense.

Cristina: That would be weird. If it's smaller.

Jack: Well, it's allowing you shortcuts between the other space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was bigger, you'd travel less. But if it's smaller, you do small distances in Elfame and that's greater distances over here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least that's just a way of thinking about it. If that's the case, then yeah, it's a frequency. That means there's an infinite number of different frequencies we could jump into. We're surrounded by infinite numbers of realities, literally. And Hermes, actually anybody. And being able to Just manipulate and cross between them. You are beyond what God could ever conceive of being. Beyond. Like our descriptions of the most powerful, exaggerated gods. Even when we look at the research we've done and ground those gods into reality. People who consume entire stars for energy couldn't f*** with a guy who could go into a reality where that star doesn't exist.

Cristina: There he's the only one that seems to really be able to do that. Because everyone else has, you know, the gates or some kind of gates to be made.

Jack: Even Jesus.

Cristina: Even Jesus, yeah. There are gates in this woods that we haven't found.

Jack: Maybe. But Hermes doesn't seem to require anything. No, like the true deal seems overpowered on some other s***. And the more we look at Hermes and the more we compare information to Hermes, it makes things like Santa Claus look watered down. Because, d***, you overpowered as h***. Santa. Few people could f*** with Santa on a real day. Jehovah, with his best technology, would struggle. But I don't think Santa could spot Hermes if he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, I think that's the level of difference. It seems too overwhelmingly exaggerated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, he can easily go to any reality whenever he wants. An infinite number of different realities. No, nothing is a barrier. Time is an illusion. Place is just a state of mind. What the do you mean, bro? What? This is just how you think and how you move. And the universe works in this way for you?

Cristina: Yeah. That is ridiculous.

Jack: Nuts, Crazy. Crazy. I don't f****** know. But if that's the case, if that's possible, then maybe this lady stuck between realms. I don't know what else she could be doing. I don't know what she could be doing. She's definitely running experiments. I don't know for her, but she looked scared. Or maybe those were other girls. Other girls getting away, getting horrified and being killed by random s*** in the woods. We don't see their bodies and s*** because it's on the other side.

Cristina: There's some type of experimenting going on there.

Jack: It looks like it, bro. And they're running out in gowns. All of them?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Come on, bro. Oh, it's a white dress. Oh, it's nightgown. Oh, it's a raincoat, bro. Let's summarize this way quickly. You're looking at two things and don't know how to describe it. One is a lab coat, and the other one is a medical gown. All of them are those two things. Every description anybody has ever given matches those two things. Who the f*** owns a white raincoat? Back then, when white was harder to make, nobody owned a f****** white raincoat. That's not a raincoat. Anybody who used raincoat to describe this is stupid. I'm sorry. Anybody who was going through these wisdoms. There's a woman in a white raincoat. You have never in your life heard those two words put together. Because nobody f****** owns a white raincoat. There's a lab coat, bro. Come on. And the gown is f******. A medical gown, bro. Medical.

Cristina: But if she's wearing a white something, is she part of the group that we see as KKK's or not? We know they're not really. But the cult members in white.

Jack: No. Because cloaks are very different than gowns. Gowns is you are a patient. Cloaks, you are a wizard. And raincoat your doctor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The cloak. I don't know how to relate the cloaks to anything.

Jack: That's just weird.

Cristina: That's just weird.

Jack: The raincoat. That's a lab coat. They are almost identical. And to somebody in the middle of the night, that's the same s***. And the nightgown and a medical gown are both called gowns because they are both gowns and are structured almost identically. Except white is in the scenario we're talking about. And blue is common day pass it. The only difference still f****** nightgowns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The only place it gets a little iffy is when they say dress. And you could easily confuse a dress for a hanging nightgown and a little bit of wind. You know? Easy, simple, logical. I am thinking nightgowns and lab coats. That's what it sounds like. There's too many girls. And it looks like they still get mentioned casually, even if predominantly it's the lady in the rain. Quote, raincoat.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But a bunch of girls in nightgowns? Come on, bro. There's a doctor and a bunch of chicks who were experimented on trying to run away and ask for help. Oh, please save me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why they're always asking for help. Why they always street side? Please give me a ride. And then they disappear when you get too close. Because they ain't there. But they see you. You see them. And then neither one of you sees each other when you're too close. They ran away from the facility. Presumably the church. Not the church. The castle is probably still functional on the other side.

Cristina: Yes. We have no idea. Yeah. All these places that are in there.

Jack: Probably maintained like a m*********** on the other side.

Cristina: On the other side. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: That's my theory.

Cristina: I don't know, I like that theory.

Jack: Yeah. I couldn't confirm one way or another, but it's pretty heftily leaning in that direction. Yeah. Let's see some of these details here. The when the city of Newark absorbed ownership of the land, they collected the necessary documentation required for evidence to support their cases. This is weird. And destroyed the rest of the documents. Everything else was destroyed. They only used the documents that would support the case of convicting the individuals. And only that. No additional details. And completely removed the rest. These destroyed documents included the information related to the briber because they were unquote unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance. Unquote. And as a result were, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: The briber were unknowing?

Jack: Yes. According to these documents, they were unknowing participants because they weren't familiar with these specific laws pertaining to the situation. It sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: Sounds like you're describing foreigners. Bro. They're doing legal things and didn't know the laws.

Cristina: They didn't know the laws.

Jack: Yeah. They ain't from here. Bro. They just ain't from here is what you're trying to say.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They weren't familiar with the laws.

Cristina: Please.

Jack: Bro. And that's why there is no information related to the third party.

Cristina: They destroyed it. They actively destroyed Directors said they don't know.

Jack: Only use what they needed to convict everybody.

Cristina: We don't understand the laws. That's the excuse. That is so crazy.

Jack: The quote is exactly. Where'd it go? Unknowing of the specific rules and regulations pertaining to this particular instance.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And thus get labeled later as, quote, unknowing participants. Unquote.

Cristina: How's that possible?

Jack: That's a lie. That's legally a lie. This is bullshit.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: The conclusion of the collected information pertaining to this, as far as I see it, is a random undisclosed party gets free access in and out of Clinton Road for unspecified reasons. The watershed members as a result use the extra money to hire their pays. This continues as company culture from leader to leader. Right. Until 2008 when an investigation begins that results in the disbandment and the imprisonment of the members. In 2013, that seems to be what I believe happened. Now looking back at the lady. The lady happens. The cars show up. Cops don't investigate this. The only time somebody went in to investigate was for the satanic things.

Cristina: And they said nothing was found.

Jack: Nothing was found.

Cristina: Because they weren't investigating.

Jack: They weren't investigating or they weren't. And they did find something. And that's why that guy quit. Because they did find something. And it was like, well, you went too far. Now your family is in danger. Quit and say nothing.

Cristina: Yes. That has to be it. That has to. Nothing else makes sense.

Jack: Nothing else makes sense.

Cristina: All of this, it's just.

Jack: You found it. Now quit.

Jack: And if you say anything, well, based on what you saw, you would know what would happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You saw it. You personally sent me a message.

Cristina: Yeah. They have no one there.

Jack: There's nobody there. Empty.

Cristina: Very suspicious. So suspicious it's crazy.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What did you find? This is very strange.

Jack: Yeah, very strange. There's no. No literal. It's just like a. I guess it's a summary of my thoughts. It's less of a conclusion.

Cristina: But yeah, but yeah, yeah, something is happening there.

Jack: Something is happening in Clinton Road. Like there's legal forces involved and there's outside third party individuals. There's symmetry with random things. The kkk, the date and the furnace, the lady meeting the boy, the gown, the lab coats. The fact that we found looking identical again. When I found Skywalker Ranch, when I looked at Stonehenge, when I looked here, actually looked here because of what I found over there. I began by looking for distortions. Space time distortions, electrical magnetic distortions. Cold spots that aren't explained by weather.

Cristina: Where their distortions are at. There's so much more.

Jack: Yes, specifically where there is space time distortions of which looking we have weird distortion electrical currents that shouldn't be happening at random time storms that happen shooting times. There's cold spots that happen at random times. There's the holes that show up and go. There's facilities that get seen and disappear. There's people who. And like this fit every suit. Just before I got to everything I just mentioned, just with the anomalies happening in the environment without seeing anything weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's enough to look. And then the fact that everything weird is here and then you look at all weird s*** and you start coming across all this.

Cristina: Yes, something is happening there. Something is happening and still happening there.

Jack: It's still happening there to this day. To this day. Still going on. But is the lady in the raincoat the same as the girls? That doesn't seem to be the case now because she keeps getting mentioned. And they get mentioned, even if less so. They still get mentioned. People still see the girls. We've never seen the boy age. No boy got Trapped in some. In between. Maybe she's not trapped in between. Maybe she was one of them and joined the bad guys or the good guys. I don't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. How could you explain what's going on? Whether it's bad or good.

Jack: Whether it's bad or good. There's just something going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now I think she's not the same as the other girls. I think there are multiple females.

Cristina: Poor Kow. It's hard to tell. Because of the clothing.

Jack: Because the fact that there is different sets of clothing and they mention young girls still, even if way less. So you could just assume security got tighter and tighter and tighter and less girls get away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or they found the other. Maybe if they're phasing girls into the other side. Because a lot of the ancient experiments were ultimately trying to figure out how to cross thresholds easily. Maybe that's what's happening. And all they're doing is sending them over there and then they just can't get them back or send them into some middle ground or something. And then they're stuck asking for help. Or maybe they do. Maybe it works and they just not sure how to reverse it and get back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're like we're sending them to the shadow Realm. We just don't know how the to get them back out of the shadow world. Maybe these girls aren't jacked up with anything. So they're just on the other side somehow.

Cristina: From experiments.

Jack: Yeah, from some kind of experiment that.

Cristina: Has to do with maybe the cult that's there. The cults? You don't know.

Jack: Whatever Druid activity they see. Because things happen at the f****** council.

Cristina: Is that the next place we're going?

Jack: You ask that every episode. And I've told you there's too much to cover.

Cristina: There's really that much?

Jack: Then again, I was looking at the boy and I found the unrelated furnace. And I didn't even focus on the furnace. Looking at the furnace, I found an entire corruption scheme.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Like we're not getting to the castle anytime soon. Or the mines. Both of those are being ignored. Maybe for a year.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There's too much other crap to look at. And before we look at any of that, we need the biggest picture possible. Because I'm sure there's going to be too much we don't understand.

Cristina: We need context.

Jack: Yeah, we just need context. I'm sure as we go through other things, this over there will inform this over here. But we need that many crossing wires before we get to what's obviously the center, which has to be either castle or the mines. What's weird is we see people coming in and out of mines and no weird mentions of anything else. But the castle has a bunch of weird s*** happening and there's just people kind of lurking around there. The castle seems almost too obvious, while the Mayans seem almost like. You guys don't wanna. I didn't know they were mines.

Cristina: I didn't know they were mines.

Jack: Yeah. Had to look and find that. People have reported weird things in and out of there. And it's like you guys are burying the mine documents.

Cristina: Was there more? Because you said there's more. So, like, the furnace is already a weird one.

Jack: What, like other structures?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's other structures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whether they're weird or not really depends on how deep I fall and what I find while looking there. But there's a lot. There are many small structures and things here. Some other houses that aren't random detail. Every inch of the property around Clinton Road belongs to the castle. When the castle was sold, the castle's property was sold. And that is the entirety of everything we know as the forest around Clinton Road.

Cristina: Including the furnace then.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Including the furnace, the lake, everything from all 10 miles of it belonged to the one castle that was all just one land.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Wasn't even bought for that much money. It was sold for like $30,000 and it was 10 miles worth of land. Was watching a video where dude paid for his first home, which was a five bedroom house, and he only paid $3,000 for it. He paid that in 1940.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: $3,000. Five bedroom family home right now is a little over a quarter of a million.

Cristina: Yeah, well.

Jack: Well, it depends. You could find that same size house and it would be a million, depending where you go. Anyways, unrelated to that bunch of random going on, there's definitely something happening there. We have different individuals that seem to be cohesive individuals. We don't know about this kid. I gotta look more into this kid. I tried to connect the dots and have the kid kind of be a focal point for this episode. There's actually surprisingly little information on that kid. The lady's everywhere.

Cristina: This kid is an actual mystery.

Jack: The kid's an actual mystery. The kid. If we didn't have the lady aging, we would see the girls and be very confused. That's another reason that this tells me that those might be different people. Because the cohesiveness comes together when we have a consistent narrative to follow. Which happens with lady, not with the girls. If we just stop at the girls with the gowns and it's a bunch of isolated situations that don't seem to converge anymore. Yeah, and the language changing over time is part of why we can connect the dots successfully. Without that. No, it's just a girl. It's just at that point it's just an echo. Except they seem to be moving and behaving and reacting. So they're there.

Cristina: And the boy may not be an echo, but we have no more information on him.

Jack: The boy responds at least to the girl. And the girl's not an echo. So by extension the kid's not an echo. But then what's happening with the kid? And why aren't you in a medical gown? That's another interesting question. Okay, why are you fully clothed? Normally the girl's in a gown. You're not anywhere they see you. So all these boys, or this one boy, not the same as a girl. But they have a meeting.

Cristina: But they're somehow related. Yes, at the end of the day, they're somehow related.

Jack: They're somehow communicating. And they always meet in the same place. The only place you ever see them interact happens to be the bridge. Interesting, I didn't think about that. The only place. All the documents say the same thing. Ultimately, they point at when the girl is seen with the boy. It's at the bridge. You can see the boy outside of the bridge. You can see the girl outside of the bridge. You never see the boy and the girl together outside of the bridge. You only see them at the bridge. I would argue this might support the frequency theory, in which at that spot the frequency is so exact she can see him and he can see her.

Cristina: Interesting. So then they might not be the same.

Jack: And they walk away from that spot and they're not even in the same place. They can't see each other, they can't interact. If they both leave that spot, they sort of phase back into their normal frequency.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: Alternatively, if that is the case, maybe there's not an in between spot. She aged. She's from this side. He does not look like a gem. He's not from the shadow realm. But that spot is still a convergence point. Maybe that kid's no fame. Elves are described looking like people and Nephilim are described looking like people. Most fairies take on human like characteristics oftentimes young kids and short older men.

Cristina: If he's a fairy, then he's way more important than we think he is.

Jack: And that's also why there's way less information.

Cristina: Okay. Is he running experiments in that furnace?

Jack: I don't think he would be running. I think this is an actual kid. I think by whatever measurements qualify as a child in Elfhame, I think that would be the equivalent. And maybe time works so different that hundreds of years could pass for us, and he will still look like a child.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Because we don't know.

Jack: We don't know. But it looks like a convergence point. If we try to rationalize, why is it that they're there together, nowhere else?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe she can't see him anywhere else. Maybe he can't see her anywhere else. That's where they can.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right. I don't know.

Jack: Which then means looking at the bridge becomes really important. What's happening there that isn't happening at the castle?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if this lady's running experiments, why isn't she running it at the bridge? Or is she trying to replicate what's happening at the bridge elsewhere?

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: And what's happening at the bridge fits more like the Vikings solution to the problem by making an area that they can visit but they can't normally cross through. Although eventually they created a crossing point. No, no, no. It was just communication and communication. Yeah, once he drank the blood and then. Crossing point. But yeah. So basically, it sounds like that naturally happened here in that very spot. Except it can't cut. So maybe she's trying to replicate that. So she comes, interacts with the kid, talks her friends. Maybe she goes back and how do I make this thing? And then goes to a place that has a bunch of weird s*** like that happening. The lake. Yes, to study. Goes to the kid, talk. That's another spot that's sort of similar, even if different. Could be. I don't know. I don't know. Spitballing.

Cristina: Is she trying to. I don't know if he has anything to do with what she's trying to do.

Jack: Yeah, he could just be somebody from some side who's really just a genuinely innocent kid, likes to come to the area, observe humans or whatever the. Is happening, and she goes there and communicates with them. Maybe they don't even speak the same language, but, you know, they enjoy each other's company or whatever the. Yeah, they know they're not a harm to one another.

Cristina: But did we see her actually talk to the child? Okay, yes.

Jack: They've passed items from one to another.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She will reach out to give a coin. He will put his hand out, receive the coin, throw it. He's just hanging out, playing with coins in the water. The fact that he's always doing it makes him seem like an echo. Yes, but then interacting with this chick who isn't breaks that. It's just a chill spot for him.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. He seems. He's so strange. I don't know.

Jack: Another random bit. Fairies. Water. Coins tied tightly together. That is a tight, tight f****** mess that happens consistently. Make a wish. Fairy territory. And fairies looking for. You can give a fairy a coin to let you through some area. Like, just weird things like that.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Fairies, coins and water. The lady of the Lake.

Cristina: But he's not that. Or he. If he is, we don't see it. We don't see what's. What she gets from him. If she's getting anything.

Jack: I don't think she's getting anything. I think based on. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Based on. Solely the public records oftentimes reported the police because they saw something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It doesn't seem like it. Seems like just platonic, innocent, nice interactions that happen at the spot and nowhere else in the forest.

Cristina: And then he's not really doing anything at the furnace.

Jack: He was just there, wandering. The same way they see her wandering at the castle.

Jack: Almost like he lives there.

Cristina: Okay. Strange. Strange.

Jack: Which again? The fairy lives by the fire. Okay. Checks out. One of those weird, like, well, there's coincidences everywhere kind of s***. Hangs out by the water, lives by the fire. Like, what the f***? I don't. This is a fairy.

Cristina: I don't know. Yeah, could we. I don't know. The service range.

Jack: True Mysteries. True Mysteries. And I would go as far as to say whatever organization comes in and out is the same organization from the shipping dock. Would have to be so close together. Whatever. Or how many crazy shady organizations are trying the same s***.

Cristina: That's true, too. Like, who knows? I don't know.

Jack: That was nowhere near Clinton Road. And like, what the. Could not be more identical. Shady organizations transporting secret things, entering in and out of places. Epstein's Islands. Clearly a f****** farm for adrenochrome.

Cristina: But is this spot. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know, bro. Anyways. Anyways. Any of you guys have any input for any of this information, feel free.

Cristina: So many questions.

Jack: Too many questions. It is absurd. It is ridiculous. So you guys can go online, do your own research, find this. It's really weird. It gets really complicated. Tell me if you guys find out what the h*** Nord was doing involved.

Cristina: In cleaning Are they still doing something?

Jack: No, they still own it. They still own it to this day since 2013. And yeah. So you know, if you find anything interesting, if you want to talk to us about it, you can contact us on our socials at just convo pod that's on tick tock on Facebook, on Twitter AKA X and I said Instagram on all the places. Whatever. Just just convo podworth forever.

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Jack: Bye.

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July 27, 2024

Rambling 283: The Lady in White

July 27, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Lady in White? How did she get to Clinton Road? What is her Purpose there? The duo investigate the famous Lady in White story in an attempt to better understand the Spacetime Distortions detected at Clinton Road. Arguably the most frequently mentioned paranormal being of all time.

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Topics Discussed:

Lady In White
Hitchhikers
Satanic Rituals
Echoes
Scientists
Escaped Experiments
The Shadow Realm

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Ideas. And look, man, we've. We've been on a road where we learned a lot of information, and we taken.

Cristina: We've been on two roads.

Jack: Yeah, we done took. We done. Yeah, for real, for real. We done took that information, and now we're applying it to the world to try to investigate, using our. Investigate. Because we were kind of stuck over there for a while. So now we're trying to investigate other. With the knowledge we got from our investigations, right? And we decided to go into, like, a weird place where it was clear that something was wrong.

Cristina: We looked.

Jack: We investigated some other places, but we came to, like, the logical one, which is Clinton Road. Now, what we were looking for was initially electrical magnetic distortions, cold spots. We were looking for that. Converging with stories. We were looking for weird anomalies, time anomalies, electrical magnetic fields, anything weird that has happened in any magnitude whatsoever.

Cristina: See?

Jack: And we went through a couple of places, and we land. So one of them was Stonehenge. Right. And we checked out the. What was it? Ranch.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it made sense. It made sense. And then we landed here, and now we're looking at Clinton Road, which is a logical place. Now, in going through Clinton Road, there were many stories. We broke that into three episodes because it was too much. So in those three episodes, we went down the tremendous amount of things that exist, and the goal was essentially to unpack a lot of those things individually. But after we went down a quick kind of draft, right. Which we did, and then we highlighted the ones we thought were meaningful out of the ones we thought we weren't. And then we just talked about quickly the ones we know factually were meaningful.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Just to catch everybody up now, I went ahead and I looked into some of these things, and the point was to dive into these individually and to dissect them. But that immediately became problematic, as all things always become problematic. But it's hard to explain exactly how it's problematic. What. So I think I'm gonna show you how it's problematic instead by telling you what it is. And it's just kind of gonna make sense, and then I'll directly tell you afterwards. Anyway.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I. I called this part of this problem one.

Cristina: That's what he called it.

Jack: Yeah. I'm gonna give you police reports. Just summarize. This isn't the actual word for words. This is. You paraphrase summarize about actual real world police reports from the road, from Clinton Road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So this first one happens roadside. Somewhere along the road, a man calls the local police, reporting a woman in a white dress walking barefoot, disoriented, on the road near the lake. The man reported that he continued driving because he didn't know if she could be, you know, a danger to him and his girlfriend who were in the car. When the officer asked, can he describe anything about her? He looked back and she was gone.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Like, this is a literal, actual report of. Oh, I don't know what happened. Then the cop came that there was nobody. The people weren't there.

Cristina: Oh, like, it just had. It just happened. And then the cop showed up.

Jack: No, he called the cop.

Cristina: Oh, so he was calling him while it happened.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. This is recent. This is very recent. These are recent. These are on cell phones.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is self. These are recorded.

Cristina: Calling the cop.

Jack: Yeah. He calls a cop about this.

Cristina: He sees this lady.

Jack: Yeah. He's like, there's something weird going on. I don't know if you want to check it out or whatever. The. About this lady in the woods. Yeah. Now, again, this doesn't mean anything yet. It's as we go through this that the problem arises. This next scenario, again, all police reports so far happens near Cross Castle. On the other side, local police receive a call. A woman wandering by Cross Castle in a large white raincoat or a nightgown. Raincoat or a nightgown. Okay. The report claims the caller thought she was living at Cross Castle. So essentially a squatter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And when the caller approached, she vanished. He suspected she ran into the surrounding woods or behind a tree or something. And he also reported that he thought the squatter was a schizophrenic of some sort because he continued to hear whispers as he was looking for her.

Cristina: Horrified. Okay.

Jack: Very rational man, though. Every step of his report was.

Cristina: I don't know how he made it past. Like, she disappeared. Okay. I'm gonna still investigate, even though I hear all this whispering, like, okay, I predict white guy. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Okay. The reservoir. This is by the lake. Local police report that they received a call from a woman seemingly considered a call of a woman. I apologize. A call of a woman seemingly considering suicide by the lake. She was standing by the water's edge to the person who saw her looking like she was, you know, considering hopping in by their interpretation of the scenario. She was standing in front of the water, kind of like just looking at the water for a really long time. And he got concerned.

Cristina: That's a tough one to imagine. Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. You can just call on a person like that. It's crazy. Okay. When asked by the officer to get the woman's attention, the caller yells out to her and she turns to him, then seemingly vanishes before his eyes.

Cristina: What is she wearing?

Jack: Local police report received a woman considering. No, not. No specifics.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: White caller claimed something was weird about her face before she vanished. Unclear. And then this is by a really tight curve called Dead man's Curve on Clinton Road. The report is of a woman standing close the curb, either threatening to jump in front of a car or scaring cars. Driver report, car ahead and car behind. Were swerving to dodge her. And she was in a white trench coat or something similar. He didn't know where she ran off to. When he'd finished dodging her, she'd run away or hidden before scaring the car a few seconds behind.

Cristina: How many cars was involved in that one?

Jack: You must have been in line, like three or four cars coming through.

Cristina: Interesting. Okay.

Jack: Okay. These are random, just police reports. You kind of get the theme going on.

Cristina: Yes, lady.

Jack: Yeah. Ladies tend to be in some kind of white something.

Cristina: Yeah, we're trying to attempt suicide for some reason.

Jack: So I'm going to tell you four different stories that aren't those stories.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're gonna quickly discuss that. Okay, so we're gonna start with the obvious one, the lady in white. This lady is known as a lady who roams around the lake. There's basically, you know, the myths of the area.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She roams around the woods, the road, the lake itself, and is described as looking for something dressed in a white gown or robe, coat or dress of some sort, sad or expressionless. And the lady in white is seen the most often. That's important.

Cristina: These are all different. Ladies. Question mark.

Jack: Question mark indeed. Woman in the gown. A woman in the ground by. In a gown by Cross Castle or the ruins thereof. Only ever reported following KKK gatherings or late 1960s occult rituals. Now, this is where it gets interesting for me because do you. Do you get. Do you follow? Is my thought right? Young girl in a dress reported by the bridge and roadside. Seen often with the kid by the bridge tossing the coins. Seen less often in modern day, but more often in the past.

Cristina: But there's nothing about her.

Jack: No details.

Jack: Hitchhiker or damsel in distress. Always seen roadside. Always trying to catch the attention of a driver while asking for help. Seen way less often now, way more often in the past. Oh man. Okay, so what do you think so far? Let's unpack some of this information. What do you think so far?

Cristina: It's hard to tell if they're like just ghosts. Are these echoes? Cuz like I don't know if they're doing the same thing over and over or what's happening really the big problem, right?

Jack: What the f*** is going on? Because they seem to be a bunch of different instances that aren't the same. One in a loop.

Cristina: And if it's just one lady and she's all these people, then what's that about? I guess that's also another option. But like I don't feel like it is one per.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Because sometimes it's a girl, sometimes it's older. Like the age ranges feels different from how they're describing this person. It could be they do.

Jack: They do. But I'll go over some of this again. A hundred percent they do. A hundred percent they do. But I noted something from this very idea. Right. So I'm gonna go over this one again. Lady in white roams the area around the lake, the woods and the road. Described as looking for something. See dress in a white gown, robe, coat or dress of some sort. Sad or expressionless. And this one is seen the most often in modern day. She's the most seen currently. She was less seen in the past. Important. The woman in the gown. The woman in the ground in the gown by Cross Castle. How did I mess that up in the same spot by Cross Castle or the ruins thereof. Only ever reported following the KKK gatherings in the 1960s.

Cristina: What about the one with the boy? The girl that's hanging out with the boy, what is that?

Jack: The young girl in a dress reported by the bridge and roadside. Seen often with the kid by the bridge tossing coins. Seen less often modern day, but seen more often in the past.

Cristina: Like if this is a time thing then it doesn't really matter. So shouldn't they all be seen equally? Even if it's the same person? It's like we're watching their timeline playing over and over.

Jack: Except we are literally getting when these reports are coming from.

Cristina: But why would it be different? Like of how often one is seen versus the other if it's out of time anyway, like we should be seeing her as a girl. And as an adult, equally as much. Because it's unrelated.

Jack: Why do you.

Cristina: Even if it's the same person, why.

Jack: Do we think it's out of time?

Cristina: Because she's probably existing in the. I guess I do feel like maybe it's an echo. I guess it's hard not to see it. Like, just we're seeing different versions of this one person living out their life. But then again, it doesn't make sense. Maybe. I guess the most sense would be it's just an echo person. Not an echo person, a shadow person.

Jack: Why? Wait, wait, wait.

Cristina: I don't know. Because she's playing with a boy. That makes it seem a little different.

Jack: Maybe the boy is an echo too, based on that logic. Right.

Cristina: If he's an echo. Yeah. Like, I don't know, it's easy to see that her as an echo. But then, like, why would one time period be more popular in one time period of ours? Like, what would make the difference of seeing her younger back then and her older now? Unless she's maybe more of a shadow realm person, because then she ages. But if she's an echo, why, it would all be happening right now.

Jack: Yeah, but based on what we're talking about, then she actually is aging because she's already aged. No, no, no. What we're talking about is that basically she was younger in the past and older now. That's just aging through time.

Cristina: Yes. These are all moments of her aging and at a different time, so it wouldn't matter.

Jack: The order is all the older ones in the future, all the older ones are happening now, and all the younger ones are happening earlier, which makes it.

Cristina: Seem less of an echo because why would it matter?

Jack: No. Yeah, it's definitely not an echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm saying it's just a. Like a living something.

Cristina: Yes, yes. It has to be.

Jack: Yeah. It's currently something that's aged. Right. That's what we're looking at. Somebody's been living there.

Cristina: Because if it was just an echo, it would be all versions.

Jack: Yeah, randomly. Why would it be of the same person if it was an echo?

Cristina: But then the way you worded it is like, they see her less now, but they see her more now. Like, of different versions.

Jack: Yeah. They see the lady in the white dress. That lady is seen the most current day.

Cristina: But that doesn't mean they don't see the young girl or the other young lady.

Jack: We also have to remember the place we're talking about and people just talking random s***.

Cristina: So they're just sharing.

Jack: Yeah, this is majority Rules. And by vast majority. Does it rule in all of these instances? It's by vast majority. I summarize it. And I'll explain that later too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But these are ultimately collections of reports.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That summarize into this, into these four different groups of people. And those stories were actual police reports that fit these suits very accurately. Like they're not definitely reporting different individuals as opposed to one person who seems to be kind of moving through time, it seems to me.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: But that's what we're supposed to find out ultimately, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because I don't actually know. And we have no clue what is. Like, what would she be doing there if she was a person living there?

Cristina: Well, scaring people. She's obviously scaring people. She's jumping to the road. She's pretending she's committing suicide, which could.

Jack: Suggest she's some sort of a shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. All her behaviors seem really shadow realm.

Jack: What other behavior seems shadow realmy to you?

Cristina: Just like throwing pebbles at people while they're driving by with a kid. Like she might be trying to scare them. She just seems like she's trying to scare people. Different. In different ways. In different ways that aren't like horrifying, but like scared for her, which is still.

Jack: But then this brings into question the nature of Clinton Road. Right. Like, is what's happening in there that creatures in the shadow. Like, maybe this place is so tightly connected that people that live in the shadow realm come to their side of this place because it's so well connected. It's a place where feasibly you could have had adrenochrome on this side, cross over when you die. And then come and live around this area and be as close to some earth like place as possible. Because then why is she just living at the castle? And why does it look like a castle to her?

Cristina: We don't know what it looks like to her.

Jack: Fair she's just living there. Unless she's actually living at these. This castle.

Cristina: They're just saying she does because she's by them.

Jack: Yes. She doesn't actually have to live there.

Cristina: No. She lives in the area or she's visiting the area often.

Jack: And then the description I always heard about the white dress, but it got real complicated when it turned into coat. Yeah. In a gown, a robe, a raincoat or a dress. Always white.

Cristina: That sounds like she's just living around that area because you'd have to change clothes eventually. Like, she's not a cartoonist.

Jack: No, I don't think these cases are one Person saying she's changing to all of these. I think all the different cases are like, I think she was.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, look like this.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we can't really tell.

Jack: Yeah, they can't really tell.

Cristina: Yeah. And like even the color of the clothes maybe we can't really see what color it is. So it looks white.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: It might not actually be wherever she is.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Or if she is actually on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they're moving in a car. Unwilling in most of these cases to get out because they're paranoid and they're like, what if this is just some crazy from the woods and she's just gonna stab me? Or.

Cristina: But they all seem scared, even though it's mostly it's for her. Like, oh, I'm worried about her. Kind of.

Jack: Yeah. It's always fear of some sort. Interesting. That's a different kind of fear. Sympathetic fear.

Cristina: Yes. That's exactly what she seems to be feeding on then.

Jack: Except sometimes she doesn't. She's just like standing in traffic. Maybe she starts fading.

Cristina: Sometimes it gets in traffic. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's f****** horrifying.

Cristina: What are you talking about? Yeah, so horrifying.

Jack: Just a chick shows up out of nowhere in a white.

Cristina: Yeah. Like there's no way you don't get scared in the moment. I don't know.

Jack: No, it's f*****. It's just being there. It doesn't matter. Just being there. It works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a place to live. If you took adrenochrome, I bet that place is CRO. That's why.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: It's just active. There's just people living in the woods together, being cool buddy buddy with one another. Because it's like home instead of whatever the. The shadow realm.

Cristina: She's probably not hanging out with the boy, cuz I think the boy is an echo. So she's just really just watching and amazing like everyone else. Like.

Jack: Yeah, like how weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's an interesting point. I haven't thought about that like actively, but I remember having like the brief moment of do. Does an echo play the same. In the same spatial location of the shadow realm?

Cristina: Possibly because they find this echo, this space where the echoes are living are, is as interesting for some reason.

Jack: Yes. And they can go there easily from their side. So it must physically be the same location somehow, even if warped.

Cristina: So there might be some echoes of our. Of beings that are from here and some echoes that are beings from them over there.

Jack: And that would explain really Weird, like things we can't track. Yeah, because it's like. It's not even even like the weird.

Cristina: Sounds that could be creatures that could. Maybe Those are echo sounds. Like shadow realm echoes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I'm thinking that definitely. How strange. We've never come across that thought because. Right. But then that's weird. I would not. If it's a time. If an echo is a time distortion, not actually a dead person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then it's just a sort of snapshot of one of their moments too, being shown at a random time somewhere in that spot. Somewhere in a realm in that place.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I think it's important somehow, this whole time distortion thing, for real. I think so. That's why there are scientists working there and doing something and then something horrible is gonna happen. I don't know.

Jack: Now that's interesting. Right, Because I think. I think I found that too, but.

Cristina: More about what's gonna happen.

Jack: Not what's gonna happen or what has happened, but. Well, I'll explain. Now I'm gonna talk about public records, not police records. This is a summarized. This is not literally word for word. This is simplified to get the information across as quickly as possible. There's public records about a lot of different sets of information. Right. Okay. I'm just gonna look at them. We're gonna look at the information together.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we gonna have a conversation about this information. Okay. So the first mention of any female in the woods of Clinton Road in some kind of a white something was in 1965. Described as pale young female, homeless, roughly 5, 4.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just random information.

Cristina: That is random.

Jack: Doesn't mean anything. But this was a robed young lady.

Cristina: Robed?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a gown type of. She fits this lady obviously fits the. All the women we're talking about fit the dress code.

Cristina: Okay. White, homeless.

Jack: No. Homeless. No. This is just part of what's in this document.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Descriptors. I took out the word and put the whole sentence. Okay. Now I'm gonna tell you about a period of time between 1950 and 1970. Okay. In 1952, there were first reports of a satanic ritual or satanic rituals. We'll say satanic activity at Cross Castle. This gets noted. And this is just in the documents being recorded in history. There's been reports, you know, just 1950s, 1952. So Satanists. Ooh, they're Satanists. In. In the. In the ruins of the castle.

Cristina: How old is that castle?

Jack: Ancient.

Cristina: Because. Do you have the Date of when it was a castle.

Jack: It was a ca. I have a date when it stopped being a castle.

Cristina: Oh, what's that?

Jack: 1988.

Cristina: 1988. And it was ruins in 1952.

Jack: It wasn't ruins.

Cristina: It was still a castle.

Jack: It was still a castle. What? It wasn't an inhabited castle.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think you think it was a castle, though.

Cristina: I like the history of this castle. When are we gonna get to that?

Jack: That's happening for sure.

Cristina: Okay, but just not today.

Jack: That's happening for sure. You're gonna understand why we have to look at this castle. Everything. Everything aims at the we. I told you. The castle comes last. There's too much. And it all points to the castle. So obviously we have to save the castle for last. It's the obvious conclusion. There's something weird going on in that.

Cristina: Castle because I want to know about it before the quote, unquote, uncle Today's. I know, I know, but, like, there had to have been weird things happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Before.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that castle is gonna be a while.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's gonna be not just from now, but like the cat. The episode is gonna be hefty good stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay. So satanic rituals, 1952. First time we get satanic rituals happening at this castle.

Cristina: What do people consider satanic? They're in robes. They've gotta be sultanic.

Jack: Interesting point. Right. Interesting point. Unrelated to this castle per se, but rather spoken of throughout the woods, many different groups of robed people. Consistently, the two most used words are KKK members and druids.

Cristina: And how do they. Like, can you tell the difference? I mean, I guess you assume because they're dressed in white, they're kkk. But, like, what if the druids just happen to be wearing white?

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: How do you. How do you know what you're like?

Jack: Because it would just be a robe. It doesn't matter the color. Right. It's just the style.

Cristina: Yeah. So is it one or the other.

Jack: Code of a black robe?

Cristina: Exactly. How do they know? How do they know? I don't know. There's something wrong with the story, but.

Jack: Okay. In 1955, investigations are demanded by the mayor of the time, Arthur McAdams. This forced the local police to work with the Newark Watershed Conservation and Development Corporation, or nwcdc, owners of the Clinton Road and the forest surrounding it.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: To begin investigations to find out about those satanic individuals.

Cristina: How do they do that?

Jack: Are they a danger? I guess patrol and, like, Set up ways to, you know, keep it safe for people so dangerous stuff doesn't happen. So he's just gonna look and see if there was ever anything, Two years later, in 1957, investigations are concluded and produce no proof of any claim. Yeah, checks out. Like, I don't know what you. How you were performing, what were you doing for two years.

Cristina: Like, bruh, they're just walking around and they couldn't see any ghosts because maybe that at the end of the day, these so called satanic ritual people are just ghosts. And like, what are the chances? It's really random though. You stumble upon them. So why would you. When you're looking for them? I mean.

Jack: Yeah, that's fair.

Cristina: And not just ghosts, but like, there could be shadow people, they could be whatever. But like, you don't just look for them, they just. It just happens. And then you have a story, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's probably why Casta didn't find anything because they were just. They were looking. And like, you can't scare someone who's expecting you.

Jack: This fascinating logic. I'm kind of bad. I'm trying to process this because this absolutely, like checks out so heftily. It's like there's so. I'm so baffled by the fact that we've gone through so much data and one of the most consistent things in the world is that the investigators always come out empty handed. But people will sometimes. We've shown. We've shown on the show. I mean, I haven't shown the viewers, but I've shown you. And we've looked at some of these things. Some videos of actual things have happened. We've looked at photos, we've looked at literal speeches. It's never from people who are looking. It's never from the cops, it's never from the authorities. It's from everyone else. The people who are like, oh my God, what the.

Cristina: Because they're going to be affected emotionally. They're the ones that is what's feeding.

Jack: Whatever this is while people looking for it just think they're gonna find something not disturbing already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's no fear to begin the ball rolling.

Cristina: Yeah. And if, like, even if they feel fear, they're gonna push it back because they got a job to do, trained.

Jack: To push it back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is. Bravery is pushing the fear down.

Cristina: Weak food. If they were gonna do something about that.

Jack: Interesting. This is interesting. This probably. You could probably find so many moments in which this happened. How very interesting. I know. I remember so many. But now this Is. That's a great point at looking at. Because anytime we see, oh, there's so many reports and the cops just find nothing, there's something weird going on there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's another thing that's just weird and unnormal.

Cristina: And I doubt it's that they're hiding it. Yes. They really.

Jack: They found nothing.

Cristina: Can't find anything.

Jack: There's nothing in them. They found nothing interesting. I like that. Fascinating. Also in 1957, Mayor McAdam resigns a month later.

Cristina: That's unrelated to anything.

Jack: Unrelated to any information. Just details.

Cristina: The people were like, you wasted everyone's time. You gotta go, I don't know.

Jack: 1965, this is a huge time leap. This is eight years later. First mention of a female of any description in the woods surrounding Clinton Roads is mentioned. Female in white dress.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 1966. This is where it gets kind of. I didn't know about this one. This one just happened while I was looking for things. Black cars are reported coming in and out of Clinton Road day and night. Black cars, black cars, unmarked black cars coming in and out.

Cristina: What do you think that's about?

Jack: There were so many f****** reports of this s***. I don't know how this didn't make, like, national news or some s***. There were so many. There were hundreds people calling in to City hall about, who the f*** are these people coming in out of town. There were reports. I don't know, dude. People calling into the police station like, there's shady people who I've seen. They think it's the same person. Some people. Some people think it's different people. It's like there was so much. There were hundreds of. Just different, like, reports, records, and like, everything. Everything under the sun. This just kept showing up, but only for this short period of time.

Cristina: What was the period again?

Jack: Well, we'll get to the end of the period of time in a bit, but. And it's, like, weird. That's really weird. This just shows up, drowns everything, and then just poof. Never mentioned again. 1969. That's three years later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Final reports of Satanic, druid or black car activity all stop simultaneously. Just done. 1971. First reports of KKK presence in the area.

Cristina: Okay. The Druids transform.

Jack: Now I'm not saying anything. This is just information. I cut this information out specifically because it built an image I thought was important. But let's talk about it. What does this seem like to you? We have, in 1952, satanic rituals are happening in the castle. Then three years later, 1955 people are kind of getting freaked out because they're.

Cristina: Seeing the lady or.

Jack: No, no, this is just about satanic rituals happening in the area, specifically around the castle. So three years later of reports just happening consistently, investigations are demanded, and the mayor goes ahead and jumps into action, and he gets together with the people who own it, the nwcdc, and they start doing whatever the f*** they were gonna do.

Cristina: But then the.

Jack: And then the mayor quits about this random. I'm not saying it's about this random, but like, he quits a month later after the thing is done.

Cristina: And then some suspicious people come, and then some suspicious.

Jack: Well, no, then the lady shows up, the girl.

Cristina: Oh, in a dress.

Jack: A girl in a dress. There's just a girl in a dress. First report of a girl in a dress wandering the woods. And then we get black cars coming in and out for three years straight. Black cars coming in and out. People reporting over and over and over, reports with these f****** weird cars. Final report of satanic druid or black car activity happens at the end of the three year period of the black cars. All three just suddenly, poof, gone. And then two years from that point, oh, there's KKK in the area. That's what's happening.

Cristina: I don't know. That's. I don't know. Tell me what's happening.

Jack: I don't know, man. Like, if you've ever seen a cover up, probably looks like that photo of what?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, like, right.

Jack: Is that what I'm looking at? Am I delusional? Does it look like the narrative changed really hard suddenly?

Cristina: Yes, but what did the cars have to do with anything?

Jack: This is very interesting. Right? So cars show up, but cars show up after the lady does. And that's pretty interesting. The first mention of the lady happens in 1965. And then from 1966 to 1969, black.

Cristina: Cars, druids summoned some creature who looks like a lady.

Jack: And then they came to something weird was happening. Something weird was happening in 1952 where the first reports happened of something. And satanic rituals, whatever. Those are Druids. Those are some Hermes like guys.

Cristina: They were summoning creatures from the shadow realm or something. Something not really summoning. It would be more like opening portals, Something.

Jack: Right. And then people started to panic. So then they tell the mayor or whatever means led to this investigation. And Mayor McAdams is like, okay, whatever, I'm a little gimbal. It's. And so he gets the people who own it to work with the local police and look into it. And they find nothing. And then he quits. Okay, you found nothing that's not worth quitting over. Is this like what they made you do it? Whatever. How would a crazy big political stick handle? Like, no, this s***? Nobody gives a s***. Why'd you quit?

Cristina: He for sure quit.

Jack: He resigned. Was literally what happened. He resigned his position at Monthly. It doesn't have to be related. It could literally just be unrelated. I don't know what the 1950s were like. Maybe everybody was quitting back then.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know, just pattern. I threw that there because pattern. It looks relative. I don't know.

Cristina: Seems strange.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird. It's notable. Somebody felt like they needed to write it down, so. Right. He works with those people. The investigations are concluded. In 1957, nothing is found. And then that same year, a month later, he quits. Okay. Then in 1965, eight years later, a mention of a lady in white, a girl, a young girl in a white dress in the woods surrounding Clinton Road is reported consistently. Just suddenly everybody saw this girl.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: 1966, the next year, it's abundantly reported. So presumably began little by little of black cars coming in and out. And then it's just. 1966 is like, this is ridiculous at this point.

Cristina: Why is there so many black cars?

Jack: Why are there so many like, tinted window, black cars coming in and out. These indescript black cars coming in and out.

Cristina: Investigating. The real investigation has started.

Jack: Real investigation has begun. That has to be it. Right? Like, we've never discussed them in a black on this show.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And like, you know, it doesn't seem like they're real to me. It sounds like some crazy people make up. And you know, we watch, we listen to other shows like Mysterious Universe where they often discuss the men in black showing up for things. But like, d***, bro, we cross paths with them now, that kind of looks like what happened right now.

Cristina: I think we'll find out. They're scientists, I don't think.

Jack: I think everybody is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or they work for powerful science. Yeah, Big science.

Cristina: Big science, yeah.

Jack: You know, everything is. Everything is ruled by big science ultimately. But yeah, that's weird. Hey, that's. That's really what happened. The real investigation to coming in and out, taking samples and doing research and in shifts, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah, probably for the sea people, I guess. I don't know. Big science.

Jack: I don't know who big science belongs to. Right. And then with the, with the sudden stop of reports of black cars, we also get the sudden stop of reports of Any satanic activity, druid activity, or black cars coming through, all of it's just gone.

Cristina: But we don't know if it's really gone, if there's just KKK. Like, I don't know if those are really KKK's or those are just Juliets who are now in ya. Like, how do I know?

Jack: They're controlling the narrative. Do they own the police?

Cristina: How do I know?

Jack: No, you get my point. Like, nah, bro, it's weird. It all stopped. Yeah, that's where it's weird. It's weird at all.

Cristina: I don't know why we replace one weird thing with another weird thing. Like, yeah, no, because it's more believable.

Jack: It's just racism.

Cristina: I know. Like, but still, it's so bad. Like, wouldn't you still won't people still be complaining?

Jack: Like, I think they'll just leave it alone because the KKK is a legal organization.

Cristina: Okay. That's right.

Jack: Yeah. Even then, weirdly enough, it was illegal and still is a legal organization. Some of them do sketchy s***.

Cristina: They shouldn't, but they're not.

Jack: But it's legal organization.

Cristina: They're not satanic as far as we can tell.

Jack: As far as we can tell. Right. Okay, now I'm gonna tell you about some different mentions of a lady in white. Let me correct that. Of a female in white. That matters. Female in white. This is a collection summarized again, it includes public records, police records, state records, Reddit posts, weird New Jersey blogs, and other related sources of this nature.

Cristina: Everything, everything.

Jack: All the mentions that people are like, I saw something equal parts. I made sure it was equal parts from all of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To summarize the ultimate logic of what I'm about to explain, this is also focus on time. Now, all these stories that I'm about to give you were told to these people by somebody in their family about this area.

Cristina: These are all stories.

Jack: These are all passed down stories. Not one of these is lived except the police records and the public records, which were literally. And the state records, those all existed prior to the Internet. These were just somehow mentioned one way or another. The Reddit, the weird New Jersey and the blogs, that's all people who've been told.

Cristina: That's what we're gonna do.

Jack: And a lot of the public records were transcribed with notations explaining that they were filling in some of the information that was lost through a flood or something. So a little bit of interpretation needs to be had for the pub, for some of these public records. But it doesn't matter when you see this consistency. 1965, a female in a nightgown is seen wandering the woods near Cross Castle. Female is in white. Either a raincoat. Oh, no, she's in a white raincoat, seen wandering and inspecting Cross Castle. Female in a nightgown exploring the reservoir lake. Those are the three. Female in a nightgown seen wandering the woods near Cross Castle. Female in a white raincoat, seen wandering, inspecting Cross Castle. Female in a nightgown exploring the reservoir lake. All of these happened 1965. Many, many, many, many mentions.

Cristina: Okay, these are like police reports.

Jack: Police reports, public records, state records, stuff like that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like two of these were, oh, my granddad said something about whatever the f***. Reddit seems to be the most informed about what my grandfather said. 1966, the most consistent mention. Female in a nightgown reported sitting on the edge of the bridge where we would see the kid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This was heftily reported at that time. It's still reported and it's been reported ever since. A lot of people online who see it all the time. There's a lot of people who. But it was so mentioned back then. And this is one year after the first mentions, which were the previous three. One year later. It's important to note that 1965 and 1966, the most common word in reports and mentions of any sort was girl, often paired with the word young. So young girl consistently being a descriptor. 1969, female, again, young girl, white dress, reported coming from the woods, screaming for help before disappearing. Happened consistently. Female, young girl, white dress, seen crying by the bridge, reported consistently. Female, young girl, white dress, seen wandering by the woods, reported consistently. 1972, three years later, female in white, dead now. So those three years, those were the reports we were getting. Basically, that's where that whole period of time, those who were throwing in there. So 1972, female in white dress or gown, scaring traffic and endangering drivers. That happens until 1977. Female in a white raincoat attempting to lure people into the forest.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Trying to call them in. Help me and come in here.

Cristina: So, yeah, that was the last one of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Shadow Realm creature. I don't know. What else could it be?

Jack: I know, I know, man. I don't know. I don't know. Same person, it seems to be. Or if. If. Okay, let's play devil's advocate and say multiple women. Why are they all this uniform thing. They're all lost in this wood. They're all, oh, my God, help me. Can you take me out of here? Hitchhikers. Oh, please get me out. Some are sad. Oh, please, can I kill myself? Can I die?

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, it could be multiple things.

Jack: Are they running experiments on these girls and they're getting like phase in between and they just can't die. They're just stuck in these woods. Why is it always dressed the same? That's what's with me.

Cristina: Except we don't know if it's really white clothing.

Jack: We don't know. We don't know. But it's always bright enough that everybody thinks it's white at all times.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's bright enough that everybody unmistakably.

Cristina: We don't have the same. We don't have enough details to actually know it's the same person.

Jack: We. We don't have any physical details. Yeah, there been some people who gave them, but it varied so widely it didn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So it could totally be different people. It could be the same. I don't know if it's the same person. I think shadow realm creature if it's not. I kind of still think shadow realm creature. Creatures who just use the same skill. Like some type of animal or whatever.

Jack: Like incubus or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: I don't know, man. I don't know, man. There's some things here that totally throw me off. What's. What is it with raincoat?

Cristina: It's different outfits, though.

Jack: I think the description of the outfit stays pretty consistent though, because we have a raincoat, a nightgown. We have a nightgown. We have a robe or a dress. I would argue the dress is the outlier there.

Cristina: I don't know how. Robe and a raincoat.

Jack: They're all flat down.

Cristina: Are you saying like they look similar?

Jack: I think they all look similar. I think it's the same one outfit. Why? What they. She's got a color preference and can't choose anything but white.

Cristina: That's the.

Jack: They think she's not a Power Ranger, man.

Cristina: She's not wearing white. That's what I think. I don't know.

Jack: But why are they all so bright? Or maybe she's glowing.

Cristina: Maybe she's kiss. She's some type of creature of creatures.

Jack: They're all creatures, always in white. Always in white.

Cristina: Different creatures, same plan.

Jack: Very bright, maybe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, but if she's just fluorescent or bright, then she wouldn't look white. Her colors would be more obvious because it wouldn't be dark. Her colors would be unnaturally vibrant.

Cristina: Yes. I don't think she's a Ghost or echo. She's some kind of.

Jack: Seems logical. Like she's moving around. Right. It sees there.

Cristina: Yes. There might be still more than one.

Jack: Well, let me propose some things here. Some experiments were being done. Maybe they're still being done somewhere. The castle's gone, but, you know, somewhere in the woods there on the ground, whatever. And young girls are what they use. And so, you know, they use them. Whatever. We tried whatever experiment that phased you in between the. Whatever the. And it didn't work or did work or I don't know what the they're doing. And then they're like, okay, get the out. We don't care what you do now.

Cristina: Yeah. Because like, even if they ran away, they're stuck because they're in some type.

Jack: Of limbo and they've had some of them survive and figure out if I keep scaring people or saying here that it's scary already, I won't die or whatever, I won't disappear, go crazy or whatever the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, maybe they figured that out. Maybe the few have figured that out. But there was a uniform they were wearing at whatever facility they were being experimented on.

Cristina: Yeah. They're usually dressed in white.

Jack: We know the children are leaving from our realm. That's a fact.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no question about it. The fact that we're kidnapping all the children, are being kidnapped by all the rich people and being sold to the shadow realm. So somebody's running experiments. Maybe it's not even the shadow realm of the experiments are being run. Maybe we're still just trying to figure out how to cross realms easily. They're stuck in the woods. Why don't they get out? And we didn't never hear about them getting out. They don't think we have heard about some getting out, but they're stuck on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They just leave the woods and make it somewhere else in the shadow realm. That happens to be on our side too.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because although many of these mentions started here, they do show up all over the world later. Almost all of them.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Almost everything that's come from Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that region.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I didn't even realize. The headless horse. That blows my freaking mind. That that originated there God knows how long ago and that spread everywhere.

Cristina: I guess. That is weird.

Jack: It's weird, right?

Cristina: They're coming from there because of the powerful spots.

Jack: Because it's a powerful spot. They're coming from there. They're leaving there.

Cristina: Which is weird because you think it'd be Where a mountain is. But that has nothing to do with it. Well, that's something related more to the sea people than it does to the shadow realm.

Jack: Yes. Because we know the shadow realm and forests get along the law. The Vikings got it. And it looks like we're. We're getting pretty close to, like, we don't know what happened, but.

Cristina: Gotta be some dead fairies in there, bro.

Jack: There's a dead everything in there.

Cristina: There's dead fairies. There's got to be fairy trees in that forest.

Jack: There must be fairy trees for a fact. I'm sure there are shadow creatures that have been killed in there. And I am so sure that so many people were sacrificed in those woods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To make it what it is.

Cristina: Yeah. It's too strange. It's too. Too much is happening.

Jack: Too much that runs together. Option number two, Maybe it's not a bunch of little girls. Gown, robe and raincoat are very similar. Not the dress. Another thing that would fit in place of the dress would be lab coat. It fits exactly the same as a robe, as a raincoat or a gown. Could be a lab coat.

Cristina: You're seeing a scientist.

Jack: Could be literal scientists that you're looking at. But that doesn't make sense. So why would they say that? And they wouldn't think that, so they would think robe or this or that instead. Just spitballing. I don't know.

Cristina: That's weird. But, like, if a scientist lady was yelling at you, I don't know if you'd pay attention. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's a weird one. Okay.

Jack: Okay. Now I'm gonna tell you a bit of information, and then I'm gonna tell you all the years in which it happened. All the following years and mentions are all in a white raincoat and identically described. They are all summarized into these specific descriptions. Ultimately, every mention following these years, the descriptions are, one, wandering around the castle, Two, watching cars roadside, Three, throwing something near the bridge. Four, picking something up from under the bridge, and five, collecting water, doing something to the water, or wandering around the water of the lake. And the years that this is mentioned in crazy amounts. It was important to mention the specific years because that was the weirder part. 1991, 1992, 1993 suddenly stops until 1999, then again, 2001-2002-2003-2004, and then it stops until 2009. And then it stops again until 2019-2020-2021-2022, and then it stopped again. No mentions last year, no mentions this.

Cristina: Year of her at all of her.

Jack: In a raincoat, specifically doing any of those things I said all those suddenly stopped any year I didn't mention every year I did mention it was just going on. That's exactly who the f*** she was and what she was doing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 91, 92, 93, huge jump. 99, 91.

Cristina: I mean, 2001, those other years that you didn't mention she was.

Jack: No mention of her in this very description.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the mentions of her in general were low. But no mentions of her in the lab coat or raincoat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I picked this out because of the lab coat idea. These are just her in what people literally said a raincoat. She's just in a raincoat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it. 91, 92, 93, jump to 99. 201. 02, 03, 04, jump to 09, jump 10 years to 209 to 2192-020202-12022. And then no mentions for two years. Strange stranger is the fact that 1991, there were the bombings at the Twin Towers that made people think there was a terrorist invasion happening. Weirder is that right before Y2K quote, unquote. 1999, active dies for 2024. I mean, 2000, when nothing is happening. And then 2001 rolls by and the Twin Towers get struck. And again, people have this fear of, oh, okay, terrorism.

Cristina: So now you're leading towards. She's gotta be some type of shadow realm creature.

Jack: And then we have 02, 03, 04, active kind of dies out for a little. And again in 09, not sure what that's about. And then 2019 suddenly pops up and is mentioned all the way to 2022, and then suddenly dies again.

Cristina: And if we look up those years, something bad you think happened, something horrible.

Jack: So somewhere, 01 through 04, she could be coasting off of the fear from, you know, war against terrorism or whatever we were saying at the time. 09, I don't know what happened. I don't know what happened on that. Obama got elected. Were people that scared? I don't know about that. I couldn't figure it out. I couldn't figure that one out. What's weird about 2019 is you showed up before the virus. The virus began in December. These mentions were happening all the way from January.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Popped up suddenly. Thick, heavy. How she beat the virus by, like, she beat the mention of even there's something wrong by, like, nine months. That's weird. That wasn't fear. That tells me something very Different. That tells me somebody can either measure when something is gonna happen somehow looking forward and show up ahead of time to get things in order.

Cristina: Yeah, makes sense.

Jack: Or somebody can orchestrate things happening.

Cristina: I don't know. But like, why would she be doing all of that? She's just in the right place at the right time.

Jack: In none of those instances was she not in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly. She can't do anything. She's just there waiting for these events to happen.

Jack: And Clinton Road is what? Why is it channeling crap that happens elsewhere also just throwing information out there. If Clinton Road is pulling, presumably the castle of Cross Castle or the railroad or whatever the crap is happening. The mines, One of those two. Probably the mines, realistically. But one of those two is pulling in this energy that gets formed on this side so that it could be used by things from the other side. Is that what Santa Claus figured out? A channeling system where little amounts from across the world and get pulled into where he lives that he barely leaves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he could reserve that to do crazy s*** like move the whole world in one night.

Cristina: I don't know. Because I feel like you need a stone for something like that.

Jack: Maybe he built it with a stone.

Cristina: Okay. Then there's gotta be a stone that was built in that. I guess the conclusion still is that there was or is going to be a stone in that spot.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because the stones are somehow related.

Jack: This is what I mean. Like, it's obvious. Obviously, the miner, the castle, got something weird. And one of those two places, without a doubt, we're gonna find something nuts that's gonna answer a craft ton of questions. But there's so much going on. I'd rather see if we could figure it out before we get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because there's so much to go through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, I don't know, man. What does it look like? It looks like the problem is the aging problem. Right. So it could also be that maybe this is a scientist that grew up there. Not grew up there, but she was young, she aged working here. She understands the woods. And so people have seen her many times. And maybe sometimes she's running experiments. What makes me think that is the collecting water, doing something to the water or wandering around the water by the lake, also running experiments, like try to.

Cristina: Tell them that she needs help.

Jack: I think I have a theory about that. I have a theory about that. I think she is an inevitable scientist. I think she's like one of these other people who went through a weird series of events and then joined something like the. The earth gods or the sun gods or something. It was like, okay, by chance, you seem to fit a weird role we can make for you. I think she kind of fits that in that maybe weird experiments were. In fact, this might. This is my theory in the background, right?

Cristina: You think this is from the past, though, or the future?

Jack: From the past. I think in 1952, Druids showed up and were doing some experiments intentionally trying to do something. Maybe they were experimenting on some chick, probably trying to recreate people or what, I don't know. Probably trying to do something similar to biblical things. I don't know. And this girl that was. Girl at that point was one of the subjects or whatever the crap. And she, you know, got whatever happened phased or stuck or maybe not even. Maybe she can leave and like, who the f*** knows? Maybe she can. Maybe she's the one who can actually f****** just come and go. I don't know. But she then freaks out at the beginning, and we see her a bunch running and asking for help. Help me. Can you see me? Do you see me? And she's crying by the lake and crying by the bridge. And that's all at the beginning, all that together. Young girl, crying and confused. But as she gets older and as the descriptions get more away from girl and start leaning towards lady, then, you know, she's over it. It seems like a person who's been dealing with it for a while. Again, my theory, I don't know. Been dealing with it for a while because the mentions of girl and the mentions of crying and asking for help kind of fizzle out. And then we get to a period where we just see her sad and somber and like, kind of like, you know, depression. Made peace with it.

Cristina: And then she's suicidal, though.

Jack: She seems like, yeah, maybe I'll kill myself. Maybe I'll figure out a way to die or something. But then that also fades away. And eventually we get this person that seems very purposed. They're over here doing this, they're interacting. They're doing that. They're doing. Their sadness is gone now. It's just like a serious individual kind of actively doing things, almost ignoring people who notice them. Like, whatever. Yeah, people on the other side, huh? Sure, whatever.

Cristina: Doing what, though?

Jack: That's the weirdest part. And what makes me most confused is collecting water, doing something to the water. What a weird series of descriptions that was. And wandering around the lake. So some experiments were definitely being run at the lake.

Cristina: Yes, but what.

Jack: And then she was wandering around the castle. She's Been seen wandering roadside. She's been seen throwing something near the bridge and she's been seen picking something up from under the bridge. Just science going and exploring and like checking things out.

Cristina: It's hard to tell these.

Jack: All of these are in lab coat or raincoat, which I am calling a lab coat for this theory.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's just her outfit's so very. It's hard to say just to say that it's a lab coat.

Jack: I don't know if anybody in a panic fear mode can really identify clearly when they're also similar.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: I mean, I guess a gown and a robe are quite distinct.

Cristina: That's tough. Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Just theories, you know. I don't know. This is just weird patterns that formed looking at this.

Cristina: Is she just a scientist or some type of experiments?

Jack: Yeah, maybe. There's a bunch of these girls, they're actually just stuck out there. I don't know. I don't know. Something about the space time anomaly is affecting them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there's multiple girls and yes, they're stuck there because why would there be more than one? They're definitely just trapped there.

Cristina: What do the men in black have to do with anything?

Jack: What was that? About three years of them consistently coming in and out and suddenly narrative changes.

Cristina: I mean, yeah, I guess something changed.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Now it's kkk.

Cristina: That's weird because she didn't change.

Jack: When you look and you look for druids, when you look for images of druids, they're usually in white and they have a robe that has a hood. Not only that, if you look at the very robe that druids wore and you look at the same ones the necromancers were, they were identical. They're just often darker. For necromancers it's the same s*** almost down to the T. And you look at the ones that Zoroastrians wore and it was identical to the f****** one that the necromancer is just a whole mess.

Cristina: It's weird that she's never described wearing that type of robe though. All these outfits, but none of them are a rope. Like if it was a science coat, you might confuse that for. I don't know, I don't know. I don't think she's part of it.

Jack: We would have. We would have needed a science person to make one of these reports. Because the problem is this is by casual people, a lot of the Time. So we're like taking randos at their casual non well descriptive words and like their interpretation of whatever random series of situations they saw in plain darkness on a road that literally has nobody living there and no lights. So like, if any situation was ever vaguer, like, I don't know, all of this could be. A hundred percent of this could be unrelated. All of it. It could be unrelated. I don't know if it is because of. D***. The consistency is kind of hefty. Yeah, that's why I'm put it here. I put it like this again, it's just random information. But that's the problem. The problem that I began with. Problem one is that I don't know if all these women are in fact the same women. And if they are, then what the f*** happened? And if they're not, then what the f*** happened?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You didn't get anywhere other than just come up with more questions and solve anything?

Cristina: No, I don't know either. I'm confused. I don't know. Because it could be either or it.

Jack: Could be many women in experiments. We know experiments were happening and we know somebody's shutting the people who would report on about.

Cristina: Yeah, and we know so many people disappear in that area. Like how many of these women are just one of those disappeared?

Jack: Yes. How is anybody gonna prove it? They disappear if you get close enough.

Cristina: Yeah, tough, tough. Okay.

Jack: I don't know, man. I don't know what to tell you. That's just what I got. Well, the other problem that we definitely can't fit here, but we have to unpack at some point. This problem number two, the fact that there's a little boy and there's so many variations of this little boy in so many places. Little boy?

Cristina: Really? I thought it was just the bridge and the coins.

Jack: No, there's a lot going on and she interacted with them. Anyways.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Anyways, that's for next time.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay, so look, if you guys got any input on any of this information. Hey, look, it could be coincidence. I'm just looking at things. I'm comparing and contrasting. None of this matters. It's not important. It could mean nothing. I'm just a crazy person who reports on random things I find. And that's what's happening here and say any of this means anything, I got theories. I could be wrong, probably am wrong. Who knows? It's just more questions. Is it one, is it multiple? And then all the possibilities for either option. So look, if you got theories, hit me up. Hit us up. Let us know usconvopod on Twitter, Instagram on TikTok on Facebook x x remember.

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July 20, 2024

Rambling 282: Clinton Road: The Menu Part 3: Significance

July 20, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is there any starting point for researching this Forest surrounding Clinton Road? What could be the most pressing amongst the sea of oddities? What can be found on the other end? The duo unpack the last of the reports from Clinton Road. This time, the clearly important bits are discussed.

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Topics Discussed:

Druid Activity
Disappearances
Satanic Panic
UFO Sightings
Mysterious Lights
Floating Orbs
Cross Castle
Mutilated Animals
Haunted Mines
Gnome Sightings
Invisible Barriers
Creepy Carvings

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where you and I ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals. Yeah, no, that's legit, bruh. But okay, so recap, recap. Last time on Dragon Ball Z, for anybody who wasn't paying attention, Clinton Road for the hundredth billionth time, many years later, except now we have a lot of information to relook at it with. And so we've broken up the excess of things we have discovered. And we have separated into three categories, of which we discussed two already. Ones are echoes. Any long term listener understands an echo is a type of ghost that doesn't interact with anything. It's just literally a repeating something that isn't there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then phantoms on the shadow episode, probably shadow people, which is probably shadow people or other things that are just aware and they're physically and are aware of you and try to interact or can react. Those are not echoes. They're not just there not being responsive. They are there explicitly being responsive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then today. Well, to clarify, in the echoes episode, we had some little details that the point of that was we were basically going down all the major events that happened in Clinton Road, breaking them up into these three categories. And with the echoes episode, it was to completely remove what we know isn't doing anything. But the point of discussing that to begin with was maybe something sticks out and is relevant. Which we have found a couple of things that we should look into. Because of the nature of those things, particularly intense distortions, directions, we could be looking at, whether it be a different realm or into the future to see how we can possibly determine something's happening. These kinds of details you've acquired. The phantoms episode was a sin. Well, the shadow episode is the same idea where we're trying to unpack phantoms. Phantoms are what we call the creatures that do interact, but we normally call ghosts. We've created a distinction. The phantoms are the type of ghosts that can interact, and they're usually just things in the shadow realm that you're interacting with.

Cristina: Yes. And they're spooky.

Jack: Yeah. A lot of them can be definitely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some of them are trolls. A pickup truck was definitely a troll.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Today's episode is the last part of our branch as we go through the Clinton Road menu.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this is a collection of all the things That I know factually as we go down. Each one of these points is important. Without a doubt.

Cristina: It's all important.

Jack: It's all important. These are the things that all the. The other two sections were composed of things that, I don't know, could or could not be.

Cristina: But these relate to what we're trying to figure out.

Jack: This has ghosts, this has phantoms, this has tech. It's again, everything relevant that was factually relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That wasn't in the other two lists. The other two list was just composed of those respective subjects, but that was unclear.

Cristina: May or may not be important.

Jack: Yeah, these are definitely important. And have things that should be on those two lists if they weren't obvious.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Every thing here matters now. Okay. The problem is that there was no way to order this more efficiently because of how important everything on this list is. So it's not like I can escalate gradually.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I'm just gonna go for the number one thing here because it's the easiest for us to just kind of get into the groove and start to unpack this. But it is quite commonly stated and believed that human creatures. Human people. Not creatures. People. People. Humans. Humans.

Cristina: Humans. Okay.

Jack: Also wander these woods around Clinton Road. We know this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I personally saw an individual doing something weird. Doing something weird. There was a town, like, adrift in this location where nothing else can get to. There are people now. Where it gets weird is the dialogue people have used to describe the people they have seen.

Cristina: These aren't normal people or they're not. They're. It's obvious that they're doing something sketchy.

Jack: There you go. Yeah. It's more about what they're doing, not who they are.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the stories are of cloaked figures, which we know. I personally saw a dude. And they're said to have been seen or glimpsed performing rituals of all sorts in the woods. And the word most commonly used to describe these individuals by people who are informed scholars who search for what people are talking about. Oh, it's spooky and blah, blah, blah. No, it's probably just this. The this they use is Druids. They believe they are Druid activity. Let's simplify. Druid people who work with occult things. Let's specify occult things in the context we're very familiar with. We're in a high energy displacement space time, problematic area. And people have seen cloaked individuals performing things that they would describe as magic if it wasn't technology.

Cristina: Yes. Crazy.

Jack: There was probably a necromancer there at some Point.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: That would fit what a druid is.

Cristina: Yeah. A necromancer.

Jack: There could have been.

Cristina: Which I guess, like St. Patrick. He would probably be described as a druid.

Jack: He would be described as a druid. Correct.

Cristina: Yes. Because what we know is they're in hoods. They usually have some kind of staff.

Jack: With a stone either in the staff or in a necklace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's definitely a dialogue they're using with intention. And again, the fact that they use this word to describe it kind of reframes immediately the guy I saw instantaneously. You're not a KKK member, dude. You black? You're black. Black. So you're some other s***. But now let's take a step back. We use the word druid. Druid in this context means a magical individual. All the magical individuals we've known. I'm about to ask you to say something I haven't said myself yet. So put your thinking cap on. Where are they from? This is not a difficult question. Where are the people we have talked about doing magic from? Not which country. Which region?

Cristina: Which region?

Jack: Easy.

Cristina: I don't know. It's not a country.

Jack: Not a country.

Cristina: Not a country. The sea people. No. What region?

Jack: Where is Iran? Where is the Middle East? The Middle East.

Cristina: They're doing magic.

Jack: Oh, God. Okay, I got a. Let me grab your hand and walk you through it. The Middle east is the only mention we've seen of every single necromancer, every single magic activity has ever happened that began with somebody wearing a hood. It happened in the Middle East. We have no outside source that ever had a necromancer, ever had somebody who fit these descriptions anywhere else. It's always been in the Middle East.

Cristina: What about Sansa? He's in the North Pole. And the guy, Merlin? He's not in the Middle East.

Jack: They're not wearing hoods. I used these words so specifically. Guys doing magic wearing hoods is literally what I just said. Those individuals have only. We've only found mentions of them in the Middle East. Now another question I have not explicitly said, but is the obvious answer to this. They are in the Middle East. What is their skin color? Not a hard question.

Cristina: They're brown.

Jack: Darker than brown. Oh, they're very bronze.

Cristina: Is this important?

Jack: The guy in the woods that's wearing a hood is dark. I don't. How are you not connecting these dots, bro? Okay, I'm gonna stop trying to get you guessing.

Cristina: Are they saying the same thing, though, in their description?

Jack: No, I'm telling you what I personally Saw.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're saying there's druids in the woods and he's wearing. They're wearing, you know, they got cloaks and they're doing the things that, you know, necromancers fit. And then I saw a dude wearing a robe and it so happened to be a D skinned dude.

Cristina: Yes, dude.

Jack: The dots are connecting. But no, no worries. I'm gonna just connect all the dots and I'm gonna just flat out explain that.

Cristina: Like, did they describe it like that too?

Jack: No, I would have said that. But the point is I'm making the connection that there's a dude with robe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In the place where they're saying there's people with robes doing things and we see him with a machete. Then we get to a animal sacrifice. Like, all the parts are just lining up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No explanation required, but I will continue to just explain it instead of asking. But the point being that's definitely fitting the suit. Dark skinned dude in a robe definitely did something sketchy with an animal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's walking away from it. That's what I see. But that just fits them. Talking about rituals being performed in the woods by druids.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's weird. Now I wouldn't have put those things. I was thinking KKK. That's. At the entire time, since 15 years ago when it happened, I've only thought, yeah, it's okay. But it doesn't make sense to have that thought because this guy is dark also.

Cristina: What does it do you have to do with a kkk?

Jack: Yeah, like, well, the area is drowning with them. That's a very, very KKK present area. But why would he be a member? Unless he's a troll who's using it to, like, disappear into. But he was visibly just walking around. You could see his arms. You can see, you know, and it's like, okay, it has a KKK vibe, but I can see your face. So it's not a hood that's literally covering your face. The assumption was, you know, he has it lifted and, like resting on his head. But maybe it's just a literal hood, not a mask. And maybe you're in a robe, not a cloak.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe you were performing a ritual.

Cristina: Just out there like that. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: Literally what they say happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rituals in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, but you weren't in the woods. You're so.

Jack: You wouldn't have to literally be in the woods. They're not in a building would be the point of staying in the woods. It's outdoors. They're outdoors. Performing sketchy things would be the sort of general idea here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're not hidden doing it because otherwise how would people see them? I'm sure that in the woods has meant some people have seen them on the street as well, just, like, doing weird things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so you move around them. At least that's what we saw. And the thing is, all of us saw that. All of us saw the animal, and all of us saw the dude. It was unclear what the dude was holding. Two of us thought machete, two of us thought shotgun. But by the time we get to the animal, there's kind of not really a debate here because it's sliced open. Two of us are right, two of us are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But weird. Anyways, the other weird part about that moment, that quote druid, unquote, is that moment of the machete or the shotgun, because what. How could we not tell? But let's back up and talk about what we know about Clinton Road and what we know about the shadow realm. Clinton Road has high distortions. That guy might have not even been present. That guy could have been in the shadow realm, and we were seeing the distortions of the shadow realm. That would explain both happening.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a distorted image of somebody on the other side.

Cristina: Yes, but did the deer look like it was from.

Jack: Well, no, the deer was cleared on this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe he used whatever he got from the deer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we were seeing him phase in the middle. The veil was thinnest right after he took it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he needed the veil to thin for him to cross. And then we're seeing him slowly distorting more and more as it goes through his system and he crosses over to the other side. Weird.

Cristina: Okay, but he didn't, like, disappear in front of you guys. Like, it wasn't, like, that type of spookiness, was it?

Jack: So the debate that we had following this moment, because we're driving and then he's in the back mirror, we assumed it just got so dark that there's, like, a threshold that you just instantly get sucked into the dark.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So, like, it appeared like he disappeared.

Jack: It appeared like he tried to make.

Cristina: It make sense, but it could just.

Jack: Be that, again, we were in a car, he was on foot. Like, the dark could have just swallowed him instantly. Beyond some point, he did get smaller and smaller and suddenly gone, which is possible. It's totally possible. We were also spooked by the fact that we just saw some random dude out here in the woods with the machete or shocker. So, yeah, we're maybe not focused. It's already, you know, the sits, the place and the situations already getting to us a little.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we'll leave that there. Who knows? The next one is this. This is one we're definitely gonna have to unpack in detail one day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are giant lists. Giant lists of people who've gone into these words and never been seen before. Like, again, they're just gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Gone. People missing in these woods all the time. All the time. They disappear. These woods are not big enough for. So for there to be lists and nobody to find them, just. It's not big enough. You'd find them. You'd find them. You'd send crazy search parties and find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nobody's been found. They're just gone. Everybody. All of them.

Cristina: How long is the list at the moment?

Jack: About 300 people.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, spread out, spread out. It's not like 300 people last year.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, through all the time, we've recorded about 300 people wandered, never been seen.

Cristina: Again for like 200 years. For a hundred.

Jack: For the past maybe like 30 years. That's a lot.

Cristina: Oh, okay. 330 years. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, that's a lot. There's people wandering and vanishing and wandering and vanishing.

Cristina: You know, if there's, like, groups of.

Jack: People that disappeared as well, like entire groups have vanished. Yes.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Well, there's an answer for what that is based on the fact that they vanish in an area that shouldn't be so easy to lose so many people. Where are they going?

Cristina: Someone's eating them up.

Jack: I guess they're going to slip into the other side. Yeah. Yeah, they're. They're falling through some of these thin places into different times or falling into different spaces.

Cristina: Oh, you think different times.

Jack: They could just go through one and. I mean, they're still the one that overlooks the lake and is always looking into a time in which there are people at the la.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's. There's a spot like the. The tall grass in there as well.

Jack: There could be. Where everything is intersecting. Yeah. Once you're in your track, that'd be crazy. Maybe that's what they are. Maybe there is a situation like that going on.

Cristina: Those are crazy.

Jack: I would argue the tall grass is kind of based on some concept like that that somebody, you know once read about or something, and, oh, how interesting. And it's like. That's kind of real, man. It's kind of Kicking around reality a little bit crazy.

Cristina: But it could also be that they're being killed off because, like, who knows what's in there? All these stories of monsters.

Jack: Like, not even.

Cristina: They gotta eat.

Jack: Not even stories of monsters. Let's go to how people try to explain this. Because that's the next important thing.

Cristina: How they try.

Jack: How they try to explain it. This takes us back to the castle. They believe that Luciferians inhabit the castle and that their cults operate in that area, leaving behind strange symbols. This is literally written, as I'm saying it. Symbols and sacrifices of unfamiliar animals. Now, how would we identify a Luciferian? Well, you're just guessing who they are. A Luciferian who's performing a ritual would be indistinguishable from a Druid, wouldn't it? Yes, except you call them a cult. You're saying an individual is a Druid and a group is a Luciferian. Why couldn't there be a group of Druids?

Cristina: Yes. And they're sacrificing Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures. Now we're getting to something.

Cristina: Yeah, weird.

Jack: There are symbols which are transmutations. You can convince me of anything else. You could not convince me. S*** else is happening. Strange symbols, huh? That's too familiar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then unfamiliar creatures being sacrificed. There is some sort of a portal somewhere around here that distorted everything. Those creatures are coming in and they're bringing them in. Or something happened in the future, in the past. This is the hotspot and they're keeping it safe. Hence the sacrifices. It's not sacrifices. They're killing whatever comes through that shouldn't be here.

Cristina: But then how, if they're keeping it safe, like they're still mad people going missing.

Jack: That's why they need to be there, keeping it safe. If they're keeping it safe, what would happen if they weren't?

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it'd be so much worse.

Jack: It'd be so much worse. At least they can keep it contained in the woods of Clinton Road. You see? Now, if they're the ones causing it, then we are talking about an area, and this is gonna. I don't know how the f*** I didn't think about this last week when we were talking about the Phantoms in the Shadow episode. But I literally mentioned that the Vikings had created a forest through continuous sacrifices in order to stay in contact, be able to traverse and communicate with things from the other side. How the f*** is this any different than that?

Cristina: No, it's the same thing. They're probably talking to A co. Uncle God.

Jack: Hella people go missing. That sounds kind of accurate to what the Viking were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Creatures from who knows where. People hear voices when they're there. People slip in and out of places they're unfamiliar with. Everything jumbles around.

Cristina: The same story, just a different location.

Jack: Yes. It's a modern day portal location. It's a sacred forest to cross into the shadow Realm in Clinton Road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument is whatever the h*** happened once we crossed Paradise Road into the town of paradise, we weren't on this side anymore. That's why it was jumbled. But then we didn't consume anything to get there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So we must have been on this side and it was just because again, if the steps that we're talking about are as we're talking about them, then the Druid I did see needed the thing to cross. We didn't consume anything. So we were watching a really hot spot on this side of that side. Yeah. We were just watching that side essentially. Without being there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the thinnest part of the veil.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Without crossing. And so it behaves almost like we're over there.

Cristina: Yeah. But you need something to actually be there.

Jack: So then this brings up another question. Is it possible to thin the veil so much? It's almost the same place.

Cristina: Like you don't need anything.

Jack: Like you don't need anything. If that's what's happening in paradise, then paradise is an actual. And listen to me what I'm about to say, this makes so much sense. If paradise is just the thinning of the veil, then you can coexist. When people from the other side. We go back to the origin of Halloween and Christmas and all these things when they will go to these graveyards. It's where the veil is very, very, very, very thin. And they can just people who are dead and. But also be careful. There's creatures there who might harm you. There is a town in Norway where there are people from the shadow realm, people from Elfim and people from earthrealm living together. In no moment that we ever come across a line that said anybody crossed anything to get there, we just know they're there together. There's two locations like that. That's just one of them. Is it possible that these locations are extremely focused so that you don't need anything and people don't have to cross, but you can still see people from the other side. Additionally, in situations like the judge sleeping in somewhere, these spots, it would just be one. He never went in.

Cristina: He never went in. No. That makes it make so much sense.

Jack: He abused the knowledge of being in this twisted place repeatedly and got familiar because the veil is so thin. It's not the same place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He didn't slip anywhere. And he could see them like they're standing in front of him even if they're not.

Cristina: Yeah. And his sister probably took something though, once they. She made the deal with the other girl or whatever.

Jack: The other girl actually. They both actually crossed. But they had to learn how to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But I don't think he did.

Jack: I don't think he did. I think there's a. I think there are places within veils where you can just interact and it's the same place the them into us. And we haven't thought about this before, but it checks out. Because the way that fear thins the veil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means you could get it if you can just keep applying the same logic and never have adrenochrome. You never bring adrenochrome into the equation. You just keep applying more and more and more and more and more and more fear.

Cristina: That's why you were there. But it was different.

Jack: But it was different. But there are conflicts to this theory. What Twin towers fall. There's a crazy amount of fear. New York didn't suddenly shift.

Cristina: It's not a hot spot.

Jack: It would have created a hotspot. If the fear is what's doing it. Or are we talking that you need to create technologies to thin the veil to this point?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: So from the other side creatures can come to this. I would fear alone. But we need some catalyst.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we see all this time distortion thing going on. That's not happening.

Jack: That's not happening over there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Another theory for the same idea of the thinning veil is what if it's literally the same thing to get across. How do I put it? We need fear. They can see us. What if there's something on that side they have to do and then we see them give a point. What's the fear equivalent?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If it's one to one, what's over there that we need over here to suddenly start seeing them? Ooh, we haven't thought about that.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky. I don't know.

Jack: But makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that's the case and is the kids in the playground who aren't there, they could get scared and then that, you know, thins that area a little more because foreign and exciting and. Oh my God. Well, we're kind of spooked out. There's people camping out there looking for things too, from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could be just as scared.

Cristina: So you think it works both ways? The fear itself.

Jack: Both sides are horrified because it's a fun place to go be scared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so both sides are going and kind of scaring each other, not knowing. Oh, my God. There's something over there. People. People. It's just people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are things. There's dangerous things. There's wolves and there's bears and there's snakes and poisonous and birds and crap and weird chimeras and. But also on the other side too. Just whatever things they got. But also they see weird things. But it's just us and we see weird things and it's just them.

Cristina: That's. Agree. That makes sense.

Jack: Makes so much sense.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just fear works the same over there as it does over here. Okay.

Jack: And if it's not literally fear, we can just put the value of X and call it fear. Anyways, they have something.

Cristina: We got something that works the same.

Jack: Interesting. Useful, right? Yes, interesting. Everything on this list is useful. It's important. And in like crazy thought reframing.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah.

Jack: So there's definitely something weird going on. I don't know if they're causing it or trying to contain it. Unclear. That's what we need to be looking at that castle for.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it brings up the theory that there is something going on. And then the Druid himself walking through having gotten some ambrosia, fades away because he crossed over. Meaning you do need the thing to cross over. But then we connect the fact that we didn't consume anything when we were in paradise and it seemed that we.

Cristina: Did crossover some event happening is important. The time distortion thing, because we would have these still anywhere. Like, why is this the spot?

Jack: No, 100%. 100%. I do agree. I think this is an overlap of many things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think things happened here either on the other side in the future or in the past. And that created just enough disturbances had to happen so long ago or so far in the future or somewhere we just can't find that then makes us not know what this is. And it's just a unique place that we can't be like, oh, no. It's unique because of that. We don't have that answer. So we're just like, oh, it's weird and spooky and that gets people excited to go there. And then that sort of perpetuates the fuel of fear and crap.

Cristina: But something had to start.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not sure where, when, but something yeah.

Jack: The distortion seems to be unrelated to the spooky s***, even if it kind of resulted in it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just this came first and it allowed for other s*** to happen and now this s*** happens as a result of the curiosity from that s***. But it's still a super hot spot because it's where the thing, whatever happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's kind of like all of the things overlapping in one spot, making it this kind of complicated amalgamation of all the things we would define as ghosts and horror and mysterious. Now this brings us to the next part, which is again why we have to start looking in this area more seriously. Because the next sentence, I must say it as they describe it, but then we know really what it means, which is there are quite a hefty number of reports that identify flying objects that could only be described by the individuals as aliens.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: UFOs everywhere. We know who the UFO are.

Cristina: The sea people.

Jack: The sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is a hot spot that all this ghost activity and then we have UFOs. No, they're observing and probably landing places and checking out. Because they're probably the ones with s***.

Cristina: Yeah. They probably end up doing something there that causes whatever to happen to happen.

Jack: Exactly. You tell me UFOs. I know who we're talking about. You tell me UFOs over weird time lapse hot spots within places and shadow realm creatures. I'm like, bro, yeah. There's only one group of people that's doing this.

Cristina: Yes. And they're a group of scientists. Anyway, like obviously they're doing something weird, even if it's to stop themselves from doing the weird thing. Like some kind of Star Trek thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They end up doing it anyways.

Jack: But then this tells us something else interesting. They do come out because these sightings are recent. The spot is recent. This is all recent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the first mention we have modern day of something that is probably the sea people. Now. It would just be UFO and people being crazy if it wasn't where the f*** it is.

Cristina: Yeah. But is the same thing. Does that happen in the ranch that we were talking about a while ago?

Jack: Yes. So, yes. UFOs drowning in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird, right? I mean, that was the whole thing we're talking about. It's paranormal, but it really means just ghosts and aliens and it's like.

Cristina: Yeah, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There's a pattern here where you have a lot of quote, ghost unquote activity. You have aliens and it's like neither one of these are what you guys think they are.

Cristina: And before those stories, you had fairy story.

Jack: Yeah. In the same places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, interesting. In both places. Kind of painting a lovely. It's becoming too easy to find what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. In the collective of what they don't know is all one thing. Paints us the picture we're looking for. Kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now deeper into the rabbit hole. We got creatures that are unfamiliar, creatures that are likely familiar things that are probably the scientists. We know rituals. We got thinning veils. We got the clear shadow realm overlap. We got weird things everywhere.

Cristina: Everywhere. Yeah.

Jack: And then people say they see what they could only describe as sentient lights or orbs moving through the woods, responding to people and avoiding people. Usually the size of a softball.

Cristina: That sounds familiar.

Jack: I'm thinking fairies. I'm thinking this s*** has everything still to this moment.

Cristina: Till this moment.

Jack: I think all of it is in there. I think these are fairies and we're seeing what they would look like without coming through.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: We're seeing the shadow realm equivalent of fairies. Never thought about it. How would they look like if they didn't come fully, but they were still on their side watching us, if we thinned that veil.

Cristina: Interesting, because I. I don't know if we've talked about fairies like that.

Jack: Never cross our minds. It would apply the same. If it's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just be a different direction, but the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. They just see them moving around.

Jack: That's like an impossible to catch. Impossible. Just super fast. And seem to, like, not be phased by creatures. And just totally like the overpowered thing that doesn't care about anything is that orb. And it's like, weird. I can't confirm it's a fairy. I cannot.

Cristina: No, but.

Jack: But, like, what else could we be talking about? Yeah, we'll pin that as fairy for now.

Cristina: Mm. Could be a shadow realm creature.

Jack: Yeah, it could be. But the fact that it's a light kind of argue because the shadow realm. They named the shadow realm because of its dark characteristics.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: The fact that this is bright, a bright glowing orb, it's like, oh, okay. That's some whole other thing you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay. You know, yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: But yeah, that. That one caught my attention because I'm like, I've never thought about this, but I could only explain this as the opposite of the shadow realm, which I would say is all fame and, like, how would they look like if these guys look like shadows but they're not?

Cristina: What would the other guys look like?

Jack: They would look like light even if they're not. And definitely the most important thing here is Cross Castle, which is specifically the ruins of the castle that it's said to be haunted by spirits and consistently visited by alien presence. Which is like, bro, it's always being like, aliens are always a UFO's always hanging around. It's like, brother, come on, you just tell me.

Cristina: The Druids are doing rituals.

Jack: That's where Luciferians are at.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: It's obviously there. Yeah. You're telling me aliens are watching Luciferians in a place where they're performing rituals and when weird creatures come out of. Come on, bro, that is.

Cristina: That's too much.

Jack: That's too much happening all in one place. None of this is coincidence. The fact that people are talking about it like it's random. Separate is stupid to me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you guys really think all this separate is happening simultaneously? Just maybe it's all one thing. Whoa. Yeah. As I go through it, it's just gonna get dumber because it's gonna be so obvious. You don't even need any of the information we've uncovered to really understand what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At this point, like, bro, obviously, obviously. But yeah. So Cross Castle, that's gonna be the main focal point. And I think as we unpack all of the details that matter to all these right now we're just skimming through, and then we're gonna truly deep dive into all these things. We're. We're in here for the long.

Cristina: Starting at Cross Castle, right?

Jack: No, we're ending at Cross Castle. That is the last point we will get to.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because I'm sure when we get to that, all the other points are going to become null and void. So I want to leave that for last so that we just don't run out of s***.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But Cross Castle will be the very last visit out of all the things we deem are important here. Now, revisiting the mysterious animals that seem to be unknown, there are a couple of things that ring familiar with the descriptions of these animals. Now, oftentimes are considered exotic because people are just unfamiliar with the animals that there are. But there are two descriptions that ring very powerfully. There is an old research paper of a journalist who was digging through these things, John McLean. And John, in looking at these things, says a nearby zoo had animals escape. According to their mention, the zoos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it seems that there was no forced entry upon police speculation. So it must have been a clean job. It's a zoo. There's no such thing as a clean job. So they gave the animals to somebody. That's weird. One fact random. Other note from a different. These are not journalists, these are people, okay, describing what they've seen, claim that the animals they witnessed are hybrid animals. Chimeras, literally.

Cristina: We do know about a scientist that was working on chimeras in real life.

Jack: Though, about many sciences.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now where this becomes relevant is when we look at what was taken from the zoo. Lions went missing.

Cristina: Sea people's favorite animal.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Were there horses?

Jack: Horses went missing, huh? You got anything else? You're on point.

Cristina: Those are the only two main ones I can think of.

Jack: Horses went missing, lions went missing, eagles went missing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You see where we're going? It's just visually on point.

Cristina: We got the flying horse. The flying horse.

Jack: Eagle, flying lion. Oh, exactly. What the we're supposed to be seeing is what went missing from the. And no broken entry. How'd you take eagles? How'd you take horses? How do you take lions? No broken entry. Come on, you serious? That's a breeding ground. Those animals were donated, by the way.

Cristina: They're donated.

Jack: They were donated to the zoo. Oh, zoo's in on something, isn't it? Oh, you see, it's weird lines. It's like we don't even need to dig deep to understand some of these pictures. You tell me exactly what's missing over there is what people saw. Hybrid over here. What are the odds?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just a coincidence, you know, just like they think isn't this is unrelated to that. It's just all random coincidence. It just so happened to be that only horses, lions and eagles are stolen and you see hybrid lion, horse, eagles over there. It's fine, it's unrelated.

Cristina: Unrelated. Okay, you're going.

Jack: You jump into speculation, man. What are the odds that exactly what's taken over there shows up over there? Fused.

Cristina: Were there any other animals taken?

Jack: No. Okay, horses, lions and eagles specifically. Yeah, no broken entry. The two explanations are escaped and were stolen in neither case could have happened. No, neither could have happened. You guys had to open and let them be taken. That's the only way. Yeah, crazy random details, not saying any of this means anything for anybody who thought this was always just coincidence after seeing everything put together. But whatever, you know, total coincidences. Then we get still on the topic of animals, what people describe as. And we know exactly what these are. Phantom animals, ghostly sightings of long dead pets, including dogs, cats, appearing alone in these areas. Very interesting detail here that these ghost creatures are pets. And that they're in this area because it would be the place where you would see the things from the other side. And if the veil is incredibly thin, then if you live in the area, your dog looking for you follows your scent like a wetchudge would and lands in Clinton Road tracking you. And then you see your long lost dog who's been dead for a while.

Cristina: Do they say like if they behave like an echo or.

Jack: No, these are just fully. Yeah, they feel like these are actually phantoms interacting and like. Oh my God, is that my dog? Oh my God. And then disappears.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like. Okay.

Cristina: This makes sense to be a spot where they'd.

Jack: Exactly. Where they would pop up. This fits the graveyard.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That very well. People will go there because it's just a beacon for dead s***. And then you can go see your loved ones there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: This could be the same thing. It's just a beacon for dead s***. And anybody who lives close maybe comes here to scare themselves once in a while, but your s*** is already in there somewhere. And once in a while you might just cross paths and see it. So I think that's very interesting. Weirdly and. Yeah. Yeah. It's weirdly enough. A lot of the visitors, like, this is my first time here. Like I saw my dog in there. It's like. Yeah, it's a beacon for deadship. Yeah, it's the hot spot. One of the. The other point that this makes me think about if the Vikings had one and we have one. Every major populated wooded area where people go missing is probably some s*** like this.

Cristina: Yeah, you gotta look into every.

Jack: There's an easy one. Japan has a forest of death where people allegedly go and commit suicide.

Cristina: Yes. There's gotta be weird stories coming out of there. If anyone just goes in there, they go in for the stories, but they see other s***. They gotta.

Jack: Yeah, I am sure now with the perspective this all we ever get more information. And then it enlightens other situations. And now we know this is probably the same as the Vikings place, which means we have a second one of these. But if there's two, then there are more.

Cristina: So much more. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: There has to be a lot. And if we're talking Japan has the forest of death and Jesus went to Japan.

Cristina: That has been chosen for a reason. Okay.

Jack: F****** force is old, bro. Ours isn't. That forest is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's been spooky to people for millennia.

Cristina: Yes. There's got to be some kind of energy or something that is involved.

Jack: Something. There is More important, Jesus himself thought that.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: Now we move to the next part of this. Here we're talking about undeniable s*** that we don't have to theorize about. Specifically with the next thing I'm about to say. People have found items in the woods that they believe look like cursed artifacts and relics. They use the term magic. That oftentimes when somebody tries to reach one of this, they've seen these artifacts begin to glow.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or behave weird. Oh, it looks like a rock. And when I try to reach for the symbols on it light up or something. And it's like, maybe you're just looking at technology.

Cristina: Fairy technology, Shadow Room technology, Elysian technology.

Jack: Why would it look like our stuff unless it was made by earthlings. Okay, which would be the.

Cristina: But you said cursed.

Jack: They're describing it as cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People who don't know who wandered through the woods. All of this is just people who don't know. Every description we've given, there's people who don't know and they say cursed. They see a piece of stone with symbols on it, they reach for it and it glows. And they're like, it's cursed. That's an uninformed assessment of a piece of technology you're looking at.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Of course, anything sufficiently advanced enough would look like magic. That makes sense. Oh, I reached for it lit up. It's cursed. It's woods with Luciferians. There seem to be demons in here. And then I find a rock with a diabolical looking symbol. I reach for and it lit up. It's cursed. Checks the narrative. It checks out with the narrative they're painting. Yes, but that means that there's so much activity here that there have been pieces of technology left, left, right. That means that some Alicians maybe have been killed in these woods running experiments. And like a wet judge breaks out.

Cristina: And like, off them, something horrible is happening there. So currently, not just in the future, is there something gonna happen, but there's.

Jack: Something currently happening, energy wise, we don't know. But we do know, activity wise, never stopped.

Cristina: Never stop.

Jack: We don't know if there's a giant machine being run, a machine that was run, or a machine that's gonna be run and where it's at. Exactly. We don't know any of that, but we do know activity wise, since the moment it began, it has not stopped.

Cristina: It's not gonna stop. And it's not gonna stop. Looks like it's not gonna stop.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes. And I wonder if we'll see these items Again, yes.

Jack: So I actually have mad stars next to that now. Because we've found images of technology from the past. I want to see what the f*** there. Somebody had to be brave enough and pick one up and be like. Or took a photo on their phone or something. You know, show it to me. So I'm gonna dig and find something. I want to see what it looks like. And then. Is it in a book? Can we find a hieroglyph with an image of it? Yeah, you know, anything. Just give me one image and I will cross reference everything under the sun until I find something.

Cristina: We're gonna find something.

Jack: We have to. They. It's. It's more than one person saying this happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are cursed artifacts that people have talked about. It's like, okay, okay, now we're on to something. And that's unquestionably something obvious.

Cristina: Yeah. But when I think of like, if they're gonna call something cursed, does that mean something happened to the people? You know?

Jack: Like, no, they don't know. They're. If they're reporting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing happened to them. They just don't know what they were looking at.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, if they're telling you about it, they made it out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't worry about the thing. They'd be like, people died in the wood, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're like, no, I saw a weird thing. It was probably cursed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, okay, then nothing happened. They're just using s***** language because they don't know better.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: They don't know no better.

Cristina: You gotta check that out though.

Jack: So coming back to the idea of animal rituals, the. This is so related to me. Pretty often people find mutilated animals. That's just like a literal report. Mutilated animals usually on the curbside or roadside. Yeah. And the, the exact descriptions go like, they find animals in the woods. They're speculated to be result of the occult rituals. Oftentimes opened from the chest down to the belly button. You know, kind of that area.

Cristina: That's what you think you saw?

Jack: That's literally what I saw. Literally what I saw.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Literally what I saw. Yep. The deer cut straight from its neck all the way to its private parts and then just opened. That's it.

Cristina: And it looked like it just happened.

Jack: It looked like it just happened. I didn't think about this next part until this very moment. And now I'm disturbed because I think about this next part until this very moment. I've told you a thousand times about that deer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I never once saw blood on him or the deer. That's f****** weird. I never thought about that for the last 15 years. Never crossed my mind. There was no blood. Not a bit. I told you. I even f****** walked and was looking at it up close. I was amazed by what the f*** I was looking at. The guy was in a white robe.

Cristina: Yeah. No blood.

Jack: No blood did cross my mind when nobody questioned anything.

Cristina: The deer. No blood.

Jack: Deer, no blood.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Weird, yes.

Jack: Now I have less idea what I saw. That's weird. Now I have less idea what I saw. I don't remember any blood. I don't know why. I don't know why the f*** doesn't cross my mind.

Cristina: So right now the whole situation's weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is f****** strange as h***. This strange one spectral fog. So a thick, unnatural fog that rolls in suddenly, obscuring vision and often causing travelers to lose their way. Now people say this fog is so confusing, it feels like the Roger movie. Is this fog literally what it looks like? When the veil is thinning more, you're seeing the other side, so it looks unclear.

Cristina: Yes. When you saw. But you didn't see fog?

Jack: I didn't see fog, no. But also we crossed something.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Something to look at. I got everything here. Something to look at. All of it somehow relevant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've never heard this before. First mention of a fog that rolls in right before things start to jumble up.

Cristina: But you saw things jumbling up and no fog.

Jack: No fog. I saw a jumbled up mess and I never saw fog.

Cristina: Strange. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, let me do some f****** rapid fire. Running out of time. G******. Okay, okay. This is important as f*** because I didn't even know this existed. I only found. This is one of the. It's towards the bottom of this list because it's one of the last things I found. Just looking through this and I'm like, what the f***? Nobody's ever mentioned this. There are mines out there. Mine, mine. There's old mine tunnels said to be haunted by spirits of miners who died in them. People have been seen coming in and out of the mines, bruh.

Cristina: People might be going in and out of the mines.

Jack: I don't think that's Rose, bro. Think about this real hard.

Cristina: We know people are experimenting.

Jack: There are mines going way out of sight. Let's take another moment. Eloi built his lab in a cave. When you go into those caves, you see the pipes going in random directions.

Cristina: Yeah. This could be a lab.

Jack: This could be a f****** Lab.

Cristina: I think it's a lamp.

Jack: The castle isn't in the center. The mines are. Of course, if we were to ever find a huge energy displacement, something, something. I think it's more likely to be in the mines. To be in the mines?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: It's also weird that that's the least mentioned thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's been mines there this whole time.

Cristina: Well, who's gonna be exploring the mind?

Jack: It's not about exploring them. Why don't people talk about them? That's all. Just mention it more often. I've heard so many of these other things, I've never once heard of the mines.

Cristina: Most people disappear at the mines.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Like, fair enough. Fair enough. That's definitely, like. I do believe if we. If we're looking for something, it's the castle or the mines, one or the other. And at this point, knowing the past, it's probably the mines, not the castle. Castle is probably home or, you know, the top of the mountain. The place you get to before you walk to the other place. Yeah.

Cristina: The mines has to do with the sea people, but the castle has to do with the Shadow realm, the necromancers.

Jack: So we're talking just a hot spot for, like, literally, not just for activity of other things, but, like, there. Different groups are coming here to use this.

Cristina: Mm. We got fairies. We don't have any fairy trees.

Jack: We don't have fairy trees, but I'm about to blow your mind. Now that you mentioned fairies. One of the most consistent sightings of things here are gnomes. Weird, weird gnomes.

Cristina: Have we spoken about gnomes somewhere else?

Jack: Yes, we've briefly addressed gnomes. Gnomes, yes.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: Oh, yes. And gnomes are fairies. Very type of fairy.

Cristina: Okay. Are they hanging out by the mines or they're just random.

Jack: No. And just in the woods, along with orbs, along with all the weird creatures, just random spottings of these things. Everything is out here. All of it.

Cristina: I bet there's fairy trees. But of course, no one could find the fairy trees.

Jack: If you did, how would you tell? Yeah, how would you tell? I bet there is a fairy tree. I bet if we look hard enough, we could find a fairy fort.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, dude, there's the mine and there's the castle. Come on, bro. Everybody has a base here. Yeah, it's not big enough to lose a s*** ton of people, but it's big enough to have a couple of bases in here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, it's starting to paint a real vivid picture. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city up in Norway. I think we're looking at a spot that's kind of like the city in India. These places where, you know, amalgamations of people get together and they can kind of coexist and maybe. Neutral zone. It's a neutral zone. You are beef. Whatever. You know, we got the un. I might hate you as a country, and you hate me as a country, and we're gonna go bomb each other later. But at the un, we all shut the up and we're just. Nothing happens here, or everybody here bombs you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that would be the idea, Right? The space. Neutral territory. We can't do anything to each other here or the other groups collectively. F*** you up.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Neutral territory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so a fairy can gladly be here, knowing the Elysian can walk right by him. Be like, I'll get you when we get out of here. You know? Because if you do violate. Well, how many other groups are here that are just gonna. Well, we're not gonna let you violate our safe spot. Even if we don't like them, too. We're gonna you up, because now we can't let you do that because then you might do it to us too. And, like. Okay, so neutral zone where everything weird happens.

Cristina: I think so. That sounds like that.

Jack: Because we've seen too many different things now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Too many conflicting interests coexisting. There must just be enough of something to go around. What is it?

Cristina: What's going on? They're all interested.

Jack: Mm. Now, this next one is definitely gonna be the hardest one to unpack, but it's also like, the clear. Yeah. People have probably even touched one of these buildings. People come across invisible barriers. And there's one group of people who we know are really good at making invisible s***.

Cristina: Just making invisible things.

Jack: The Alicians. The people who make entire mountains vanish. I guess the people who can be in plain sight and their civilization not be in there.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, we know they're in there.

Jack: They're in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah, people have literally, like, come across, like, what the f***? I can't go through?

Cristina: And it's, like, kind of scary.

Jack: Yeah. You're just probably touching a building or some s***. You don't even. You can't see it, so you're like.

Cristina: Which matches the whole. Like, they're going up and down. You're seeing these weird ways that they're walking. Like. Yeah, it could be.

Jack: Well, no, they wouldn't be. You wouldn't see them at all. They would be invisible in the building.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Everything in there would be invisible.

Cristina: So that's the shadow realm, the other one, I guess.

Jack: No, that's the elation. Cloaking technology.

Cristina: No, not that. The people that you do see walking up and down.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Those people must be in the shadow realm. You must be watching movement within the shadow room, for sure. But these people are definitely not like, this is the fact that they. They literally set invisible barriers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, oh, man, that's so specific, bro. I don't even know what to do with that information. That means we just gotta walk a ton of Clinton Road, broad daylight, and just. Just such things run until we hit something that doesn't. That isn't there, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know how we would find it, but, like, people have come across it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's tough.

Jack: Tough. But this also suggests something different. Elysians can find their building without uncloaking it. They must have something to show them where it is.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. They have the technology.

Jack: Other obvious thing that is here are, you know, time slips. Little thin places, people. That's the primary thing we think is dominating this place. A s*** ton of thin places everywhere. And creates the main attraction, which is probably what everybody else is there. Abusing ways in and out of different places.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: And that's in abundance. People are like, I f****** went through here. I felt like it was a five minutes. And then when I got to the other side of this tree, it was f****** night.

Cristina: Okay. Now, there's a lot of stories like that.

Jack: That s*** is the most abundant kind of story. That is literally the most common occurrence. There is seeing something weird that can't be explained. The truck and people losing time. Those three events. Those are the most consistent things that happen. People see a truck a lot. That guy's out there desperate, okay. He's desperate. Seeing shadows and crap super common. And then people losing crap tons of time or moving in unbelievably quick. They're going. They began. Two minutes later, they're on the other side.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's 10 miles. How'd you do it?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Going back to odd symbols, there have been symbols found on stones. There have been symbols found on structures. There have been symbol found on odd relics and artifacts. The weirdest one is symbols found on trees that seem to always be in pairs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: What people describe always seeing two. I want to find images of this. I couldn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people say fine. Always finding to. I had to say, because I know you're gonna ask, are the photos but two trees next to each other with exactly the same symbol on both trees?

Cristina: What could that mean?

Jack: What could that mean? Kind of sounds like a lazy portal.

Cristina: To me, I guess.

Jack: Right. Because it's still the arch. You still have the two walls to it.

Cristina: If you.

Jack: I don't know how. If the top is requirement. But like, I don't know. I'm just thinking, like, what could I picture possibly me. So, yeah, that's. That's what we get. Those are the important things to look at. This is the thing you need to.

Cristina: Look at that there's so much. Yeah, yeah. We gotta look at everything.

Jack: There isn't one thing I mentioned on.

Cristina: This part that we don't need to look at.

Jack: So this is why I called this what's significant.

Cristina: It's all.

Jack: It's all significant. I'm telling you. We're here for the long haul. This is a lot of crap to dig into.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: There's a lot. Yeah. It's ridiculous. So, yeah, this is what we have, man. There's a crap ton. We, we got fairies, we got thin places. We got creatures from the Shadow Realm, we got Elysians, we got fairies, we got science experiments. We got people desperately trying to get back. People somehow just casually crossing to the other side. We have places with extremely thin veils that make it indistinguishable. We have that as an explanation to how people in the past managed to get in and out without ever actually going in. We have. Have too much information going on. Everything. Everything is here. All of it happens here.

Cristina: You have a lot of missing people.

Jack: We have a lot of. We have a lot of missing people. But that's a clear one, man. Because they're either cultivating a way to get through or there are stones being made. Maybe s***** ones. Could be just enough to do casual things. Yeah, you need something huge. You don't need a crap ton of people. Yes. Need a casual stone. Take two or three people.

Cristina: We have a deer with no blood.

Jack: A deer with no blood. We got chimeras. Obvious chimeras. A zoo that's somehow tied to it.

Cristina: Yeah. Weird.

Jack: So, yeah, that's what we got for you guys. So, you know, if you guys have any input, any ideas, any in. Anything interesting, any information additional. I think I didn't mention that. You guys think is relevant and falls into here, please. We're kind of just. Yeah. Connect Dots connect.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much connecting we got to do. We tried our best but like anything.

Jack: We didn't see feel free. Call us stupid just give us the answer but what you got to do just tell us what the answer is.

Cristina: Yeah help us.

Jack: And you could do all that by going to our socials. You can contact us at just convopod on X on TikTok on Facebook and not on YouTube because we're not there anymore.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

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July 13, 2024

Rambling 281: Clinton Road: Part 2: Shadows

July 13, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If Ghosts we title Echoes are visible time loops that can’t be interacted with, what is its opposite? Can Phantoms be interacted with? What are they? The duo continue unpacking the narratives around Clinton Road on their endless quest to understand what happened in their childhood. No longer looking at Echoes, they focus on the things that react to visitors. The stones uncovered will reveal some new perspectives never before visited on the show!

+Episode Details

Demonic Truck
Ghost Children
Disembodied Voices
Headless Horseman
Pine Barrens Devil
Melting Trees
Shifting Paths
Ghostly Campers

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so we do that.

Cristina: Do that every week.

Jack: We do that every week. We do that all the time. And so, you know, in the last couple of years, we've gotten way informed on a lot of sort of esoteric and stoic knowledge. Things hidden, you know, the, the secret scriptures and the secret texts and lost civilization things, and cross referencing information that suggested so many things. Anybody who's been following knows what we're talking about. So we've used this knowledge recently because it looks like we were digging into an infinite hole.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's use the knowledge instead of continuing to dig the infinite hole and apply it to other places that have very similar conditions. And so we've started to unravel things. And so last week we're digging a new hole. No, we're using the information we have from the hole to compare to other things and be like, oh, this looks like this over here and it looks like that over there. Okay, no more hole digging until something here informs us on which tool to go continue digging with. But point being that we were last week kind of going through some of the information that we were not talking about. But you know, we in the past have come across Clinton Road, which is a really odd place. And it had a lot of similarities to some of the things that we've recently uncovered. We've seen that we can find residue of high energy technology and it usually takes the form of space time alterations and odd anomalies. So looking for things like this informs us. And so two weeks ago we looked at a scenario that was heftily informed. I believe that was a skin walk around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then before that again, we had another instance, some creepy mansion.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The mansion. Yes. And directly after the Skinwalker Ranch, we did Stonehenge. All which have the same things. And what we find is the same things. Gateways and distortions and a lot of quote, ghosts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So last week we go to the place we know has all of these things happening simultaneously on top of each other. And like I said, I broke it into three sections because there was absolutely too much happening in this one place and.

Cristina: Ridiculous amount.

Jack: Yes, too much. And for anybody who's not familiar, many, many, many years ago, maybe like four or five Years ago, we dove into the experience me and two friends had there, three friends. Of course, we couldn't get a contact with them, but we brought to them on the show. We talked to them and everything about how strange that place was. Everybody had different stories. Whatever. You guys can go look at it. It's Clinton Road. I think it was Halloween episode. It was like three episodes long or whatever. And last week, we were just going over anything that we would identify as an echo, a sort of replay of a different moment that is not interactable necessarily, but rather something that's happening but not now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there was a lot, some things of which were very important that we need to look at in the future. But that was only one of three sections I'd made because that was just the echoes. This week, I would like us to dive into the things that do respond to people. Not that just play on a loop, but the things in Clinton Road that seem to not be an echo, that seem to actually be a thing of some sort.

Cristina: Like a conscience thing.

Jack: Something thinking. Yeah, something responsive. Something maybe dangerous, maybe not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But that can respond. That seems to be moving with intention as opposed to a replay of a moment.

Cristina: Horrifying.

Jack: So next to the word phantoms, I've put conscious. I've put thinking intentional entities that are non human and probably could be from a different realm. I'm assuming the shadow realm, because Elfame or any higher level might be unlikely.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So let's unpack some of these details. This is a little bit shorter than the echoes of which there were many. This is still pretty long, but it was just a couple shorter. So let's start by going into the pickup truck. This is probably the most known thing on this road. There's literally movies that have taken this concept and rolled with it. And it's just some menacing black pickup truck that allegedly chases drivers at night, only vanishing when there's another car coming towards them or when they are successfully in something faster. And funny enough, it faster is very exact thing, because faster is conditional. People have been in supercars running down the street, and this pickup keeps up.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: That's weird. But if this pickup truck isn't physically here, if this pickup truck is in a different space where whatever is there knows how to manipulate the sort of distortion to cover ground faster, then it would look like you have this sort of ghost truck following you at an impossibly fast speed. But maybe on their side, it's normal speed, but they know how to move in such a way that over here we move fast.

Cristina: How do we know this isn't an echo? What makes it different?

Jack: Because it does interact with people. This is where the speed becomes very important because the vanishing and the fact that it's on the road. Very interesting here. Now it has moved around cars. Oh, it has moved around cars. It has diverted to hit cars. Somebody jumps off the road and it'll jump off the road behind them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's very, very different than something on replay. Now, what's weird about this place is that it seems to happen at exactly between four and six miles, nowhere outside that range, which means there is a particular heavy amount of distortion that somebody's abusing there, I suspect, at least.

Cristina: Yes, but not the person driving the truck. They're just driving their truck.

Jack: They're not. I think that there's just a nice little fold.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of the two realms here. And he's just on his end, but he can clearly see because people from the shadow realm can just see us or whatever the f***. I have no idea how that works. Maybe it's the same that, like, as fear manifests, we start showing up over there more and they start showing up over here more, and so the lines start to blur.

Cristina: It could. Like, we don't have any proof of that. But why can't it be that.

Jack: Yeah, it'd be weird if it was just one way in this direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it's. Yeah, I guess it would. I guess the argument would be that it's not that they're coming over here, but the veil is thinning.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so we're sort of coming closer together in general.

Cristina: That could be it. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, because we've always thought about it like, oh, the people from the shadow realm with fear start coming this way, but, like.

Cristina: Because it seems easier for them for it to be that way.

Jack: Yeah. But when we think about it, if they aren't actually over here, how are they seeing us? Yes, we're seeing them because they're phasing over here. But are they seeing themselves over there and themselves over here? That can't. That doesn't. Make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, they're probably just seeing us start to fade in over there, and then they start to prey on us.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That could be. That could be. I know there's ways in and out, but there's this other thing of just, like we're somehow in between both.

Jack: Yes. We're somehow at all times, well connected enough. And it's. It's a dial Right. You could turn it and sort of enhance how much of the entanglement is how much is crossed in that moment.

Cristina: How's that happening? But, yeah, I think that might be what's happening.

Jack: And in the case of this truck, I think that 4 to 6 mile range is a particularly dense area, which brings up an interesting point. Maybe this is a focal point of one of the major events that took.

Cristina: Place here in the future. Maybe. Question, I believe. Yeah.

Jack: Because there's. We look back and we find so little. We look. Well, we can't look forward. But the fact that, again, it's possible that a spacetime distortion from the future ruins the past, because that's how it works. It's space time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this distortion is huge here. But also the logic could be that it's a long, long street with no lights.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe people start to panic around the same distance.

Cristina: I wonder. I wonder what it is. I wonder if we'll find a glimpse of what really happens in the future, though, through this conversation. Maybe eventually, like. Because the weird thing that happens there may even be from the shadow realm. Because we know they do experiments like we do. They do experiments here, but they also do experiments there. So what if this is just a spot where both sides were doing experiments?

Jack: Doesn't even have to be both sides doing experiments, because there's many instances just this side doing experiments, and that can mess it up. So why wouldn't it be that only on that side and cause the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially after we know that it's almost like we are in the same space, but somehow a barrier was built to divide them. There's a wall that was put in between this realm and that realm. There isn't. The word realm ceases to lose meaning when we back up far enough because, well, this is just, you know, that room. And then he put walls around that room and called it Earth Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's hard for us to get out the room, but we can.

Cristina: Yeah. It is up or down.

Jack: That's how it seems to be in every direction. Yeah. Which. It's weird, but this kind of really leans into the flatter theory. Right. Of like, well, they walled us in, but they're really out there. There's more.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, weirdly enough, that's kind of on the nose, but about the wrong thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, this truck is responsive. It is responsive. It chases people. My idea is 10 miles Clinton Road, 4 to 6 miles. But what does that mean? That means if I enter from north, four miles in. If I enter from south, four miles in. It's the same distance either way. It could just be the people within. Like, as you start getting more and more. You start getting more panicking, more paranoid. And so in the middle is where people are the most freaked out. Which would make sense that enough people freaked out consistently going through at that level of panic. More and more and more about that truck.

Cristina: Also will be pushing that too.

Jack: Not even hearing about the truck, but hearing about all the other things that happen here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then you get to this part, and maybe this guy is just some dude who lives on the other side, but in this part of it. And maybe he is a bad guy.

Cristina: Or he just wants that fear. Like, it's not really about murdering anyone. It's just like he knows he hasn't done.

Jack: Yes. That's another thing I found interesting. So the truck does show up. The truck chases people. But I made sure to mention the weirdest part about this, which is right before he does anything, he always disappears.

Cristina: Yeah. He's about to want it. And then he goes. Yeah.

Jack: He'll jump on the lane you're in from far ahead and drive straight towards you and drive straight at you and then just f****** veer off into the woods and disappear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like he's f****** with you. He's f****** with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoever that is, just f****** with you. He's not trying to kill you. That's the weirdest part. But it's so intentional. It's like he's f****** with you legitimately in an impossibly fast pickup truck that looks like a moving shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if it's possible. It's. He was a human who ended up over there. Fascinating, because there are those cases and.

Jack: There'S hella thin places around here. Could just be slipping in and falling on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah. He just knows what he needs. He's probably was hooked on it. Adrenochrome when he was alive and, you know, died.

Jack: Which then goes back to all the. That's here. There's been cults and there's been sacrifices, and there's been a lot of.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of adrenal chrome and stuff going on.

Jack: So anytime we find something weird, this is the thing. Right. We realize in the beginning of our journey, adrenochrome is everywhere. Everybody's doing adrenochrome and that's what's up.

Cristina: Yes. But then when those people die, it's even worse.

Jack: It's even worse because they lose their minds on the other side or they. In the Fear of knowing they're gonna lose their mind. They getting desperate to get back over here and get adrenochrome. So.

Cristina: So it could just be one of those people.

Jack: Could definitely be. And as long as he sustains the fear, he doesn't need the blood. Yeah, that could totally make sense. He has to. He has to cultivate it over and over and over. And it's like, I'm stuck over here, but I'm. I'm not gonna go crazy. I refuse. And I'm gonna just with people every day if I have to.

Cristina: Could be. It's really easy for him.

Jack: He's gonna get us fixed. He needs it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's a problem, people up, they. They go in and they don't realize how bad this really is. Now, the next one is children. This one is very specific. Apparitions of children playing on the roadside who vanish upon approach but can be seen waving at passersby. Oh, I thought echo when I was first looking at the mentions of this. And then I started looking deeper in, and it's like some people have these kids get excited, get up, look at them, start running towards them and disappear.

Cristina: It's hard to tell, though, between echo and not echo. It's really, really.

Jack: It is absolutely not the moment something is responsive. The fact that somebody stood there and then they started waving as opposed to. They're just waving at nothing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The echo would be doing the action regardless. It's not responding to an environment. It's not there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anything responsive cannot be an echo by default. This is the easiest distinction to make. It's not difficult.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It will be responsive. If it's not. If you stand in front of it and you're like, hey. And it's like looking right through you and doesn't notice and walks right through you, and that's an echo. It doesn't realize you're present. But these kids see a car drive by. People see the kids play. They think ghost. The kids see the car. The kids, excited, get up and wave. What's weird about this is that they're not trying to get to the street. They're not trying to get to the street. They're just aware of the cars passing by, and so they wave.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Like, they know they can't make it.

Cristina: How many children is.

Jack: It varies.

Cristina: It varies.

Jack: But it's like they know they can't get to the street. There's an awareness of, oh, it's another car coming. How there's another weird thing from the.

Cristina: Other side that is weird. But is there they just look like normal children, too?

Jack: It's unclear. Small people.

Cristina: Small people.

Jack: Small people that appear to be children playing. Yeah, it's Clinton Road. Nothing is a specific description. It's night. Always.

Cristina: It's always night. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's impossible. Any clear description you want, you will not get. Yeah, this is Clinton Road at night, every time. And, like, kids that's in the woods, like, how detailed can you get?

Cristina: That is so creepy.

Jack: Yeah. But the fact that they know you're there, they'll just be minding their business. A car rolls by, somebody. Oh, kids. And then the kids and like, oh, my God, let's just keep going. But ultimately, the kids notice cars, but.

Cristina: If you stop, they would just be gone.

Jack: No, if they run towards you, there's like a barrier that they can't make it past because they vanish.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, that's even scarier. Oh, my gosh. They run towards you and then just.

Jack: Yeah. So my idea would be that unlike visual thin places that we can see through and look to a different time or an echo that's just a fold repeating. I think this would be a literal. Not just thin places towards the past, but thin places towards the shadow realm. And, like, they can see through, but it's bubbles that they can't get through. Weirdly enough, same as us thousand years ago, looking at the sky and seeing a plane. And it's just because on the other side of the bubble, a plane went in front of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there must be in front of this playground or whatever, a thin place just at the right angle that you can see it for maybe a hundred feet or so into the other side, and they can see you back and then you can interact, but beyond a certain angle, you can't. That's what it seems to me. Because they are responsive. They look in the wave, excited to see, and then they're just not there suddenly. But only do it when there's somebody you don't arrive and they're already in the motion. They're always awesome. Kids saw me and they came and they were coming to say hi, and they just not there suddenly. Yeah, it's pretty up.

Cristina: That's. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I guess that there's children on that side. Why not?

Jack: Why wouldn't there be? They're just people. Jin are just people.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But I think this falls into something from the shadow room. The fact that they see the cars and they get excited. They're just kids. They're not trying to f*** with people. The way that pickup is they're really genuinely just kids or seems to be to people.

Cristina: But that's. That's it.

Jack: Yeah. They seem childish. The next one gets to more personal areas for me, which is disembodied voices, whispering voices heard in the woods, often leading people to feel as though they're being watched or followed.

Cristina: This is one that they say your name. We heard we were talking about one before on the last episode about someone saying your name.

Jack: This is unrelated to anything from last episode. These are all new things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. This is just voices.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And these voices seem to be following people and it makes people feel like they're being watched. But mainly is that they're being followed because the voices are continuously behind them or next to them, around them. The voices tend to be unclear, but the voices seem like they're speaking a language. But it's also very, very off putting and very disturbing. The sort of guttural sounds that get made. It sounds like language, but like a demon is talking to people. It's the best way that people have described it. I would argue that we're hearing Jin language.

Cristina: Okay. Like shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. And like it just sounds up to us because we've never discussed what it would sound like to speak in a place that's not physical. You don't have. You don't have vocal cords or anything.

Cristina: But they got. I would assume they have some kind of language because we do hear about people who do go over there and communicate with them.

Jack: And here's another thing. If I don't understand. I was thinking about this and just because I said this, it made me think about it again. I don't understand how it is that all the old text we find describes the shadow realm as a non physical place. But physical beings can so easily traverse. But also adrenochrome makes you traverse. I don't understand that problem. Because you have to stop being physical to get there with adrenochrome. But you can. Like the judge just walked in.

Cristina: Well, we don't know his life. What if he had Jesse? He had adrenal crown before.

Jack: How do you get back out? How does anybody go in and out? How do you get your body into a non physical place and then walk out still physical. Your body doesn't just dissolve and disappear and you can't ever come back. That doesn't make sense. There's some interpretation that's wrong there. Because that is a conflict of description is contradicting.

Cristina: It's a paradox.

Jack: You can't both be physical on the other side and not be physical on the other side. On the flip side, we do discuss ourselves as physical and non physical. There is a soul version of me that's controlling my body and then there's the body that the soul is controlling. There's the physical and the metaphysical simultaneously. But then that means that all the descriptions they have of the other side are f****** stupid because it's just this. But over there. Well, it's a non physical place. Your souls and stuff. It's like. You mean like we have over here?

Cristina: But is our body going in there? Our body's falling asleep and then we go in there. Like how does that.

Jack: I don't know. How would the Judge enter on earth realm on this side, take a shortcut in there and then pop out somewhere else? His body then just flatline over here and stay there unconscious, and then teleport to the other side of Earth?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you see the problem? There are active contradictions. And how this is described. There's something we don't understand necessarily because it's described as such a physical place. And you need adrenochrome to have a certain state. But also, let's think about adrenochrome. It's a physical thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why would it take you somewhere non physical?

Cristina: It has to be just physical in a different way. It's not non physical. It's just.

Jack: Yeah, there's something we're not grasping about it.

Cristina: Yeah, but you need. You need it still to get there and somehow.

Jack: Yes, yes. Even with a gate, you cannot enter the shadow realm unless you've had adrenochrome. We thought adrenochrome meant only after you die. But then later we find out some people can actually just walk in every time except the Judge. That we don't know for a fact. But every other time required adrenochrome. So it's a physical place that requires that no matter what, something about the adrenochrome allows your body to adapt to the conditions of the shadow realm. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think they were focusing on the descriptions of what adrenochrome is doing in order to describe what the place is. Yeah, I think that's the reality of the matter. I don't think it's not a physical place. I think it's a different realm. Obviously it's a different space that requires some alteration physically that is different than what we consider normal on the side. And so in their attempt to describe that, it sounds like you're talking about something non physical.

Cristina: But I don't think you actually. You don't need adrenochrome because necromancers don't. They just need a state of mind. They. They can do it. Yes, they can. Just.

Jack: But there's also heavy understanding. And they have stones that are made of the same thing.

Cristina: They have the stones to do it.

Jack: They have the stones to do it. And it's made of the same thing that adrenochrome is. It's just not in their body. Now this is an interesting point you bring because Adrian, necromancers don't need to consume it yet their body can still exist in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let's take a step back because we don't have an instance of a necromancer in the Shadow Realm that we've ever read. We just know it says they can. But the only time we have them actually traversing instead of giving somebody the way to is through Elfhame. And we don't even know if they physically stand in Elfame as opposed to use Elfame to cut through.

Cristina: That's exactly what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah. Which means they're not entering the Shadow Realm either.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because we've never had a single discussion that says they entered the Shadow Realm. They just know how to get there. Which presumably means they know how to navigate the Shadow Realm even if they don't enter the Shadow Realm as a shortcut. Another shortcut. They can get anywhere, anytime, however they want.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird though. What is that? What?

Jack: Unless Elfame and the Shadow Realm are physical, which seems to be the case too. I don't know. It's so many contradictions there. Yes, but maybe if it. If it's not a different layer and it all is seamless, just with barriers like flat earth. A circle within a circle within a circle. If that's the case, then a necromancer literally enters the Shadow Realm. And a necromancer literally enters all fame.

Cristina: But as far as we know, that doesn't happen. Really?

Jack: We don't have a mention of either. Yeah, I've never seen a mention of either of those scenarios happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't even have Santa Claus entering the Shadow Room.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Jesus. Entering the Shadow Realm after he died. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's.

Jack: The rules feel consistent. There is consistency. He didn't enter. He exited. He died. To get there.

Cristina: He died. He went to their prison, kidnapped a bunch of them, got some stones.

Jack: People over here thought it was part of their plan. To get rid of Jesus. Little did they know, Jesus planned every part of it. He needed to get over there.

Cristina: Yes, Very weird.

Jack: But then the transition state, I think is important, which then brings up a different problem. Did Hermes have to die? Because one very important thing we have to remember about necromancers is what are they most known for? Relating to the dead. The dead and death.

Cristina: That is interesting.

Jack: That is very interesting.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus is an example of somebody who didn't touch the other side until he died.

Cristina: So do they have to die?

Jack: Do they all have to?

Cristina: I think so, because Santa Claus, obviously that happened to him. That's why we have this Nicholas, who's so different from Sam. There was some metamorphosis, something that happened there, obviously.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I don't know about Patrick.

Jack: I don't. I don't know about that. But he's also loosely the bottom tier of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meanwhile, Merlin has several stories of his end.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, yeah, this is making sense. Yeah.

Jack: So all necromancers must. Or at least it seems to be, death is part of the process.

Cristina: I think so. I think so.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Which means Hermes probably consumed adrenochrome, but in a scientific correct way that keeps him in control just so he can cross over to the other side.

Cristina: Actually, yeah, I think that's right. I think they had to die.

Jack: I think he had to die. We might not have the text, but we have Jesus the only example of a necromancer entering the shadow realm and he had to die to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it was so easy and it was so simple and you could just get there, why do you need to die?

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Is the Judge.

Jack: Judge doesn't make sense. How do you get in?

Cristina: Unless he was a living dead person and just didn't know it.

Jack: Interest. So in any case, the idea is we have to find Inanna's brother and see what. We gotta really dive into him and.

Cristina: Find out what the stories they have about him does.

Jack: Can we find that the Judge has died? That's the reality of the matter. Can we find if the Judge has died?

Cristina: I think. I think we will find. Because if he has one weird story, I'm sure there's other weird stories he's involved in.

Jack: But then that brings up a really, really, really exaggeratedly interesting question that we didn't cross at any moment.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: The Judge is the third necromancer. Fourth.

Cristina: Fourth Jesus?

Jack: No, he's like fifth Jesus, Merlin, Santa Patrick, the Judge, and Hermes number six.

Cristina: Oh, Hermes. Yeah.

Jack: Six necromancers in all of history.

Cristina: I would think so. I think so. I think we're on to something.

Jack: So. So then the question is, is the judge a necromancer?

Cristina: He might be even one of them. Like, we don't know. They all live such long lives.

Jack: I know. It's so weird, bro. It's so weird. There's some timeline distortions in this whole narrative. That's f*****. Some people go millions, some people go hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: So many different lies. We know Jesus had so many lives. Like, he wasn't just the Jesus in that place, but he was the whatever in that other place and the whatever in that other place.

Jack: Yeah, but this lives is an exaggeration because we're talking about.

Cristina: No, he was still living one life.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like not even that far apart. We're talking like he was here a couple of months. He was there a couple.

Cristina: Yes, but like that. They all seem to have that type of thing of like, I'm gonna pretend to be this person over there and I don't think.

Jack: I don't. The. The dialogue you're using, I think is incorrect. I don't think it's pretending. I think we're talking about him going to different places where people speak different languages and they're using their interpretation of what his name would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so he lands at a different name and they're using their words to describe him, which is why the words aren't exactly the same, but they're so similar. If we were to paint the picture, he would look the same.

Cristina: Yeah. So this guy could just be someone else that we've met before and we just don't know it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. You believe the judge could just be one of these other guys?

Cristina: Like, who knows? Because it's so rare that it would happen. To imagine that this is just another one, it's harder to believe.

Jack: Yeah. But it's also equally hard to believe. Yeah. It's like to imagine he's another one is really hard. And to imagine he's some casual who just enters the shadow realm is even more. Yes. Now here's something that we do have to look at though, because now thinking about it, he can't be a necromancer. He can't be. At least not in a way he's aware of, because he was shocked by the entrance. He had discovered it and was like, what the f***? And then he told his sister and he was like, it's the craziest thing. And she was like, show me. And then that's how they found the kingdom on the other side. He, you know, he became homies as he went through.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he wasn't a necromancer, at least knowingly. If he was, he maybe stumbled upon a process or something.

Cristina: Probably some story. There's other things, though, that they rarely talk about. Like the plants and the app, the fruits and, you know, things like that.

Jack: There are other ways.

Cristina: So rare. But, like, humans don't interact.

Jack: Like, really.

Cristina: Yes. Like, he might have found one of those things.

Jack: You're totally right. So the science is very likely the fruit hard. You gotta go to the shadow room to do it.

Cristina: Yeah. But, like, there are things that exists that just don't get talked about because.

Jack: Like, plants are on this side and.

Cristina: They'Re, like, heavily guarded. So if he stumbled upon it.

Jack: Not the flower. The flower wasn't. The flower is just a flower.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The flower was not heavily guarded. In fact, the mention we got of it was just somebody figured out that this could do that.

Cristina: Yeah. So, like, he could.

Jack: Maybe that's flowers in more places, but we can't tell it apart from something else. Oh, it's just a flower. But if we saw it and we knew what it was, we can consume it and without. Because we know that adrenochrome is the addictive one. But there are other things. Adrenochrome comes in three parts. It's ichor, it's ambrosia, and it's the literal liquid of nectar. Those are the three states. What is it? Ambrosia is the little organs that are adrenochrome dense. And then there is the. What is ambrosia? There is ichor, which is distilled. It's after it's been consumed. Yeah, it's the blood. I mean, they're all blood, but after it's been distilled, somebody consumed adrenochrome. And now you take the blood of a person who's consumed adrenochrome, and it sort of went through a process.

Cristina: Vampirism.

Jack: And then there is the. Not ambrosia. Nectar, which is just liquid. It's drinking the blood. It's just drinking the blood. It's Jesus's preferred form. But although Jesus is very known for both. He likes ambrosia, he likes to consume the individual, and he likes to drink their blood, too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or at least he's discovered is the most efficient combination. It doesn't look like he did ichor, but it looks like he gave people ichor.

Cristina: Yes. He loved sharing it.

Jack: Yes. Now, interesting point. The descriptions. I didn't think about this until right now. The descriptions that we went through about ichor, ambrosia and nectar make it seem like ichor is the valuable one because people who are normal can take it and die. It's super strong. But Jesus was giving people ick. Ichor, not adrenochrome or ambrosia. He was giving himself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To them, which is ichor. Even if it's his flesh, that would look like ambrosia. No, he had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if it's his blood that you would call nectar. No, he had adrenochrome. Everything he's given you is actually ichor.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Nobody's as powerful as Jesus. The combination of ambrosia and nectar is stronger than the distilled ichor, which is both of them together. And he was giving his blood as high up on the totem pole as you can get. And still ichor was not as good. Is it because who he is, he can just do it with these two and be as powerful and like somebody having something stronger can't catch up? Or is it that there is an actual better combination to be had with ichor and. Well, I mean, with nectar and ambrosia, then there is to be had with ichor. And he knows the trick to it.

Cristina: He probably knows the trick to it.

Jack: Well, he's also a unique being. Why wouldn't it be the other? Why wouldn't it be that? Just. It doesn't matter what anybody else consumes. He's always going to be spirit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know my point?

Cristina: We don't know what he is is very unique. Yeah.

Jack: Very special. So, yeah, just, you know, food for thought. Okay, next on the list, we have. It's weird about those disembodied voices, by the way.

Cristina: So you heard those disembodied verses.

Jack: Yeah, we heard children and we heard voices. I never saw the kids. But you remember we were hearing kids laugh.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By the way, important detail. This just so happens to be on the road to paradise.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is where we heard the kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why I was saying that this is, like, personal.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: This is right on the road to paradise, where this has been reported, which is where we were when we heard the kids laughing. Well, first we heard the laughter and we couldn't make it out. And then we pulled on the side where the car just stopped turning on, and then we just started hearing.

Cristina: What is the car turning up or is that something else? I will talk about in the future.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That was a weird one. I looked when. Because of hearing the disembodied voices. It made me think about the car turning off. And then I was like, when has this happened? And there aren't mentions of this anywhere. This is just a weird thing that happened. It could have just been that our car was s*******. That was weird time. It was a weird timing. Yes, but, like, what weird timing?

Cristina: What we are timing, I don't understand.

Jack: Like, I can't explain it. But then the other thing is, let's. Let's have a quick. Maybe we're not gonna make it to the end of this. And this part alone is gonna be too. But we have to address this next point because I think I'm about to say something that's gonna make a lot of sense here. We hear the kids laugh. We hear laughter. We get on the dirt road. We pull up to the side just to scare the guys, lower the windows. We start to hear kids actually laughing. We're like, oh, f***. Like we were just f****** around, bros. F*** this. We put the windows up, trying to turn the car on. Wasn't turning on. We finally get the car on and we drive into paradise. Do you remember what happens next?

Cristina: You see a sign.

Jack: Yeah. Deaf children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the. The. The F is slashed and a D is put over it.

Cristina: The children.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not even the important part. What happens in paradise?

Cristina: That's all I remember.

Jack: You don't remember what happens when we drive into paradise?

Cristina: You hear more children. No.

Jack: We tried to get out of paradise and we can't.

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Okay. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's like you never remember anything I needed to remember. Not once. It's horrible. But we enter paradise and then we can't get out of paradise. Paradise is where we hear children. Paradise is where we hear laughter. Paradise is where the dead children sign is. Where did we enter when we went to paradise?

Cristina: Where did you enter? Some type of loop. Some type of time thing.

Jack: What else looks like a physical place on this side and is not supposed to be because it's a jumbled mess that somebody on this side wouldn't be able to navigate.

Cristina: I know I should know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't understand. What happens in your mind? Obviously the shadow realm, girl. It's the only thing that looks like a physical. I'm gonna just stop trying to get you guessing. It doesn't work ever. I just got to Tell you, showing you doesn't work. The shadow realm, like everything, its description is literally a physical earth place that looks like a jumbled mess of an example of a physical earth place. I don't know. I got to explain this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is what it is. And we enter, we see distortions, we hear distortions and turning. Or we drove straight. We turn around and we're trying to drive straight out and the exit's gone weird. That sounds like the shadow realm. Now how the f*** would we have entered? Second, it looked absolutely normal to us. So could it have been?

Cristina: It could just be the whole veil example thing of like you're just. You're seeing it, but you're not actually in it. Like they're seeing you and you're. They're not actually there.

Jack: Then the straight line would have gotten us out.

Cristina: There must have been something messing with you as well. Like an actual thing.

Jack: Right. And how is it gonna change the shadow realm structure or our. How is it gonna change the physical space we're in?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's a huge issue right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We go in, yeah, like three blocks in, do a 180, no turns, drive the same path we got there through. See? None of the same s***. And the f****** dirt road's gone.

Cristina: I don't know. Some of them have abilities. Maybe it was messing with you guys.

Jack: And we take hella turns through paradise. When we took no turns, we take mad turns in paradise trying to find our way out. And somewhere in a different corner entirely, we find a dirt road again. And then we find our way out after like 20 minutes of doing circles when we had only gone in a straight line, turned around, tried to do the same straight line back and just dead end, no road. So what was that? I've thought about that following some of this research, and I'm like, man, this.

Cristina: Isn'T match up with anything.

Jack: Doesn't match with anything. This is easily the shadow realm. Minus the fact that it couldn't be. Because how the f***. Unless these descriptions of the shadow realm, we are taking them too literally. And it's not a non physical place. We did see a jumbled mess of something we had just looked at that looked normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We saw the same place jumbled up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Nothing else changed except we couldn't navigate it. And it seemed bigger after we'd gone in.

Cristina: Soon as you got scared, as soon as the car. As the kid, children and the car.

Jack: As soon as it all. Yes, we fell into something. Right.

Cristina: Fear happened. This really overwhelming fear probably happened at that moment for all.

Jack: From all four of us at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we panic, go on the road, and then we slip in. But then the argument would be, you don't need adrenochrome and Jesus did. There's something wrong here. There's a contradiction still going on.

Cristina: Because I don't think you're really in it, though.

Jack: I don't think so either. So then. Okay, so then what you're talking about might be the logical path that maybe even the judge didn't.

Cristina: Yeah, he saw. He saw a glimpse of it, or they.

Jack: He was literally interacting with people on the other side. And he met Ixchel, which then came out and went to Maya. They were literally something is. But we're onto something now because if we. You're totally right. All of this followed the fear. Let's recount the story. We drive in first. We see the guy in the robe, a black guy essentially walking around in a KKK robe. Weirdest sight ever. Okay. With a machete or a shotgun. Nobody was clear on which one he was holding. Everybody had a different story. We get far enough, we see the deer cut open. Okay. Panic, you know, Everybody like, what the f***? Yeah, we get far enough, we hear the laughter. We try to scare the guys, end up scaring ourselves because we hear the kids. We take the dirt road and suddenly the s*** spins out of control and we're nowhere. But we're everywhere. Because the one road we took disappeared and now we're just in this mess and we can't get out. And then the road showed up somewhere else entirely. Maybe you're right and we're just seeing it because again, it doesn't make sense that they could see us and we can't see them. I think it's a notch where the more you turn it, the more both sides are close together. Not one side to this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're slowly more and more seeing.

Cristina: But you're not physically there. I'm not physically there seeing.

Jack: Now, in this instance, there is an interesting. This contradiction could then be resolved because when they're talking about the shadow or on being a non physical place, they are talking about getting there non physically through fear, through these other means that allows you to interact with that space without entering that space.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: And then there's a way to actually enter and be in the space which requires totally different means. In this scenario now we can apply the things that we didn't mention about necromancers. What are they really good at? Even if they don't cross. They're good at bridging communication. They're good at bringing things from that side over. They're good at interacting with things on that side, even if they don't go in. So they know how to turn the dial that allows them to f*** with things on that side without being on that side, which I would argue is stronger, more overpowered than having to be on that side. Additionally, if you have a Philosopher's Stone that has the ability to violate those rules, could you, in theory, use the Philosopher's Stone to make a sort of external shell that would allow you to enter without falling apart? Hence their ability to traverse and not be simultaneously. Like a suit made of. Think of Green Lantern puts the ring on and a green energy goes over his body. And now he can manipulate this energy. What if what's happening that's happens with the Philosopher's Stone? And I could use the Philosopher's Stone, create this energy around me, and just slip into the Shadow Realm without needing adrenochrome. Without the energy, I would just die over there or pop up over here, but I can literally be there without consuming adrenochrome. Now, Jesus didn't have Philosopher's stones. He went to acquire them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we have a reason why he needs to die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe he didn't know how to make it. As overpowered as he is, he went to acquire them. Different.

Cristina: That's so weird that he didn't know how to. Because he knew how to make the Gates. The person who taught him how to make the Gates would know how to make it. Make a philosopher stone. Yeah, well, maybe Jesus wasn't into having to mass murder people.

Jack: Yeah. And he knew these things already exist. Let them kill me and I'll go get the stones, because I'm gonna be fine.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm. He just. He's just different.

Jack: He's just different. He. Look, he. His. Everybody who's ever talked about him said the same thing. He was preaching kindness the whole time. Regardless of what they saw him do or how they saw him do it. A lot of people were like, he did some pretty diabolical looking s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But attached to that, did he hurt anybody? Well, no, he did a bunch of diabolical s***. But he kind of just told us all to be kind to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like fair.

Cristina: He's making an army. And his army aren't being forced to be his army. They're choosing to be his army. Whether it's from the Shadow Realm or it's us humans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you're just, we're on his side. They're on his side.

Jack: I mean, when your argument is be kind and stop anybody who's not, it's like, f***. I mean, yeah, bro. And look, I'll give you powers to do it. Oh, s***. You're gonna give me powers to be kind and stop anybody who's not. That's.

Cristina: The only people he wants to get rid of are the sea people, though. Like, that's clear.

Jack: And like, let's be fair as we've dug in deep into this, like, kind of. Yeah. It makes sense. Look, even if Jehovah's on the side of the people, like, you guys just ultimately only want them alive so you can keep running experiments.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're like, don't let the civilization fall apart. We need to kill them for stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, so ultimately that puts us back on Lucifer side. Right? Where he's like, give them tech so they could reach us. You're gonna kill them anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let those that can do it do it.

Cristina: Except that they couldn't.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're gonna be massacred anyways. To make a stone. Give somebody a chance.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Okay.

Jack: This is all right, dude. I understand why the. The Lucifer, Jehovah problem is huge. Because it's, like, flopping back and forth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: One of these guys is somehow right, or it's so nuanced that they're both right and wrong.

Cristina: Yes. I think that's more the most truthful.

Jack: Because in Jehovah's eyes, they're gonna die anyways, bro. I'm like, let's give them purpose. Let's let them their lives be used to improve the world. While Lucifer's argument is give them the choice. Let them choose what happens if it collapses. It was their choice, not yours.

Cristina: Yes. It's pretty good.

Jack: Like, f***, give them purpose. They're ignorant. Both of them are on point. Give them purpose. They are ignorant and they're gonna self destruct. Don't let them die meaninglessly. You give them this technology. They can't handle it. They will die meaninglessly and haven't gotten nothing. Which we see many relics from civilizations that are kind of Lucifer's fault. But he gave them a chance to make their choice. Jehovah is all about taking that choice.

Cristina: Away because he thinks that's safer.

Jack: He thinks it's better and more noble. Use them for something that they would be proud of. If they looked back. If they looked back a thousand years and thought, oh, I died in this moment, but all of human history improved because of my sacrifice. They would. His logic at least is they'd be happy.

Cristina: And what is Jesus point of view?

Jack: F*** both of them. Both of them. Don't give people technology so that they blow up and kill themselves and don't sacrifice people. Leave them alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which, like, okay, when? That's the third argument. Kind of f*** those two other guys. Yeah, that's legit. We can move slowly. It's fine. We don't need to f****** flash forward a million years instantly and then collapse because we couldn't deal with it. And we don't need some other guy sacrificing us to accomplish the same f****** thing. Yes, maybe f*** both of them and just let people do what they're gonna do if we kill ourselves.

Cristina: At least it was us.

Jack: At least it was us. No interference.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: In that argument. Yeah. Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: It's a lot of sides and, like, nobody's right or wrong until you put Jesus in the mix. And I was like, well, that m************ are wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, he's pro human, so.

Jack: He'S pro human regardless. Even if the other two are technically pro human. It's a lot like leftists trying to decrease criminal sentences for people who. A black judge gave them a really large sentence and then they go to prison for this really long time. But leftists are like, that's unjust and blah, blah, blah. And then they go ahead and force a different judge to decrease the sentence and the guy gets out of prison and he gets murdered a week later. And then we truly go and talk to the people who understand, not just feel like they're gonna help. Oh, I want to help. I want to help. But you're ignorant. You're stupid. You don't know the situation. We go and talk to somebody on ground level. Well, the judge is families of the gang that's in the prison, and that guy is a neighborhood friend. He increased the sentence so that he goes to that prison specifically and is protected there. He was gonna stay alive in prison. You guys got him out and he got killed. That's Jehovah and Lucifer being helpful leftists.

Cristina: Jehovah and Lucifer or Peter trying to save animals but then killing dogs.

Jack: Yes. The same logic of, you're not being helpful, you're just thinking you're being helpful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's a very leftist ideology. So we can just throw Lucifer and Jehovah in the leftists and say, you're kind of ignorant. You think you're helping, but you're not on the ground level. Knowing what the people want.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You go to Jesus. Jesus is just asking people. Yeah. He's just like, I know why that guy went to prison on a really high sentence. He asked a judge for it. And you ignorant f**** don't know that Jesus is the guy who knows. He talks to the people. He's like, what do you guys want? Well, we just want to live our lives.

Cristina: He was forced to be with the people.

Jack: Yes. That's. That's literally Jehovah and Lucifer's fault.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: They made the problem that stopped them.

Cristina: Yes. That's really interesting.

Jack: They literally made him in a labor, and then they were like, f*** that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And threw him to the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the people were like, well, he's one of us, and he grew up as one of them. And they treated him right until. Who f***** him? The f****** people working with the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: The Church came after him, huh? Even more incentive. F*** that. Let's work these a******* into my plan so I can f*** him more.

Cristina: Beautiful.

Jack: LinkedIn. Yeah. Sacrifice me. Totally, man. Kill me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then he enters and goes. He took it from Lucifer, bro. Even if these two guys didn't agree, they were still eye to eye on the people. We need them for something. He just used Jehovah and his disdain for Lucifer. Got himself killed to enter, rob Lucifer, and then get back to Earth Realm knowing these two guys aren't gonna work together.

Cristina: No. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Divide and conquer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** 3D chess, bro. I mean, 4D chess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Weird one. I didn't know this next one originated here. I was looking to see if this came from somewhere else, but this actually comes from the New England era of the United States, which is. The Headless Horseman is a New Jersey Clinton Road thing.

Cristina: Yeah, it is.

Jack: I had no f****** idea that that originated over here.

Cristina: Yeah, it did.

Jack: In fact, I would have thought that this was, like, an Eng type of ghost.

Cristina: There's a lot of ghosts that actually were from around here.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in weird land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're in a really hot spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird. New Jersey is legit.

Cristina: It is it. That's why.

Jack: Yeah. No, we are in some crazy hotspot. I had no idea. I thought the Headless Horseman was significantly older and, like, by default had to be some, like, European thing. Yeah, no, that is just a Jersey thing.

Cristina: It's a Jersey thing. Yeah.

Jack: It got taken and showed up in a million places. But, no, that's. That's us. That's a Jersey thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, this is described as a humanoid that looks kind of like a shadow that doesn't seem to have a head in the way we would describe. And he's on something that we would compare to a horse, but doesn't necessarily look like a horse. This tells us a couple of things. It's a jinn of some sort. And he looks kind of human, but he wouldn't look perfectly human. That makes no sense.

Cristina: So it's a creature from somewhere else writing a creature from somewhere else.

Jack: It would be the people of the shadow realm, the gym, and whatever their horse equivalent is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And based on everything else we know of the area. Now, there's a weird one. He doesn't f*** with people. Doesn't f*** with people. He's just not an echo. He is responsive. And here's the weird thing about this, right? People have yelled at him, and he'll stop and look like, turn his torso.

Cristina: Towards him and just gonna say, like, how.

Jack: You know, just turn and, like, wait. Like, he's just a dude. It seems like just a dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he's like, okay. They, you know, people from the other side saw me. Let's, you know, let them have their moment or whatever. I'll stop here and let them roll by. Oh, they saw ghosts, whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's like, it looks like he's not f****** with people. He's not doing it. He's just there and people see him. People have, oh, my God. The headless. And then he just, you know, he'll stop and kind of behaves like a. Like if he's a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, like, yeah, they're looking at me. Let me stop. And so he's very known for just stopping. He's very known for, like, approaching. But this. These descriptions are where it gets very informative because this falls in line with all the other things we saw of the things that interact. If you look at the truck, if you look at the children, proximity makes them vanish. But in his description, it's something very different. What, he gets close and gets more translucent. Yeah. So, like, really far away. It looks like whatever particles hold him together are denser together. But the closer he gets is like. If you were shrinking and looking at atoms more and more, everything would kind of look more far apart, more far apart. If you were the size of an atom, you wouldn't see two things touching ever. There'd be no body. There's no such thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sort of that same thing. The closer he gets, the more through him. You could see.

Cristina: What does that mean, though?

Jack: I don't know. So when he's maybe 20ft away, he's so hard to make out. But he's there, and you know he's there. It's like closer than that, you know, you can't tell he's there anymore, but he's not. And that's closest. F***. By the way, 20ft is nuts. But. So he's fully aware you're there. And, you know, he. I did it. I tried to find if maybe his voices come from him or if he waves or something, like the kids. Yeah, none of that. But he is fully aware that people come through.

Cristina: You know, just sense that he. He notices you.

Jack: He. Well, people see him, and I guess he would hear them or see them himself. Because if we assume that there's a notch and you see him as much as he sees you, then he's aware. There's one road. There's one road. Anybody who is on the other side and wants to interact with humans, they know where the humans are. They're on the road.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it really. These descriptions. Not that anywhere says what I'm saying, that he's behaving like a tourist attraction. But if you were to tell me to describe what's happening, he's behaving like a tourist attraction. He knows all those people entertained, want to be scared or whatever. I'm not gonna scare them too much because there are things out here.

Cristina: But he does like that fear. Probably a little bit.

Jack: Maybe he does cruise by the road. Honest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Quote horse unquote. But he doesn't mess with people and he doesn't chase people or anything. It just. Maybe he's just interested in humans. And it's like, oh, cool spot where you can see humans. You know, it's possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would. It totally has to be. I'm thinking the kids. There's no park there. I think the kids just like playing close to the road because they might see humans.

Cristina: Yeah. It might still be the fear thing of like, oh, we're gonna get something out of here, even if we're not gonna try anything. But we just know just being here.

Jack: Just being here, we'll see them, we'll.

Cristina: See them and we'll get something.

Jack: I don't think it's about getting something. I think it's about. Because why they're not getting anything. You use the fear to get to this side to then get adrenochrome. They're not doing anything. They're not getting to the side to hurt People, they're just kind of chilling there. The kids are just chilling there. Yeah, the horseman's just chilling there.

Cristina: And the trucker guy.

Jack: The trucker guy's with people.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: He's looking for something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think that guy was from this side. It's a truck. Yeah, that guy was from this side. And he just doesn't want to lose it. And he's like, I'd rather they lose it than me. But the kids don't have that. They just. Kids and they wave and, you know, hey, cool, whatever.

Cristina: And the horse, man.

Jack: The horseman is the same. He's just, you know, they're cool people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's weird, but there are peaceful ghosts here. I'm not even ghosts. They're just gin, man.

Cristina: But he's from that specific area. He's not from somewhere else in New Jersey. He's from Clinton Road.

Jack: Literally, from Clinton Road. It looks like there is on the other side, some civilization.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's possible that that civilization is based on paradise, because that's where the jumbled mess began. On the flip side. On the flip side, there have been stories of people going on a straight line. There's nothing but Clinton Road as long as you don't turn.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow leaving how they came in. So it could just somehow turn on you.

Cristina: Clinton Road.

Jack: Clinton Road. People have gone in a straight line 10 miles before you exit back to lights. People have gone in one line.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And found the exit through which they came in.

Cristina: That's right.

Jack: Without ever turning. So fear could be f****** with the surroundings.

Cristina: Okay. There is something just weird, naturally, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Clinton Road itself.

Jack: And so because we went to a place with mad turns, even if we didn't take a turn, we multiply the fact that you can go in a straight line and exit the same entrance by the fact that there's like 30 turns in paradise. And now we have a road that could be anywhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Very strange. Now, this next one is very literal because people describe it as this way, which is shadow people. Everything else they have not described as shadow people. This one, they literally use the word shadow people. Dark, human like figures seen darting between the trees, often in peripheral vision, which. Yes, that's just shadow people.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: The thing is, this is the most reported sighting of something that seems to be responsive people. Look, they scatter away. I think there's a civilization. I think that that area has. And I think, based on what we're reading right now and what you said, that maybe the experiment isn't even in the future. Maybe it was on the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it seems like there's a civilization on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could just be something that happened, you know, not even that long ago.

Cristina: It just happens over there.

Jack: Just happens over there. Could be. Doesn't have to be in the future. Could just be on the other side. It's folding everything together.

Cristina: Yes. And they just see shadow people.

Jack: Just shadow people casually running around, just living life. Okay. Pine Baron's Devil. Occasional sightings of a creature resembling the Jersey Devil in the denser parts of the forest. And that's very simply a creature from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But is it the same? They're saying it's like the other one. It's not the same as the Jersey Devil.

Jack: They're saying it's almost identical.

Cristina: It's almost identical.

Jack: It might be the same creature type and, like, be in a different area.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: No, that's the least weird thing here. I think it's just a creature. It's like seeing a wetchange or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, oh, my God, it's a demon. It's like. I mean, that's as close as raw. Nicka Run.

Cristina: It's just wild animal somewhere else.

Jack: Like a really wide. It's like if you see a wet shudge, that's like coming across a grizzly bear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Get those f*** out. No. H*** no. Get the f*** out of there. That s***'ll flip your car, bro. Eyes in the darkness. This is definitely, most likely gin. Again, the glowing eyes. These are just probably. We're seeing light glares on Jinn and we just so happen to be seeing the Djinn simultaneously. My idea is described as glowing eyes watching from the woods at night.

Cristina: That's pretty creepy. But yeah. Yeah.

Jack: If it's just being observed and you're seeing through the thin veil and they're looking at you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unseen forces which are. Again, feeling like one is being pushed or pulled. And that's. That could just easily be things coming through, walking by. And like in parts where the veil is thin but still not perfectly gone so that you can like, oh, wow, something just pushed me to the side. Oh, my God. There's something out here messing. And they're just walking by, but they don't see you. You don't see them, and you just touch and you're like, what the was that?

Cristina: I think that's. That's a good thing.

Jack: And it's actually one of the most described things happening. And it always happens on the main road. Anybody Gets out of their vehicle for any reason, they're usually like, what the.

Cristina: You didn't go out on the main road?

Jack: Yes, I didn't feel as though.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We got out of the car. I got out of the car to look at the deer. I got out of the car to see why the car wasn't turning on. And I got out of the weeds. I just don't give a. If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die. It is what it is.

Cristina: But you didn't see any eyes, though.

Jack: I didn't see any eyes. I saw the deer, the black guy in the KKK outfit. I saw the. I heard the children separate to the laughter. That wasn't necessarily children.

Cristina: Yeah, but you didn't see whatever.

Jack: No, I didn't see eyes, didn't see shadows or any of that stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the weird moving roads and changing turns, that's pretty strange. And the fact that all of us saw that is weird. Minus Nunez, because from Nunez point of view, it was. We were just sitting and he just saw all of us go catatonic for a moment, which is. His story is worse than all of our stories. Yes, we all experience being somewhere, but now we have to unpack this because he says we pull over and we never get. We. He never saw the dirt road. He never saw paradise. We pull over, the car doesn't turn on. And from his point of view, all of us just sat there and thought really hard about what to do for a while. From our point of view, while that was happening, how the f*** do we get out of this mess we're in? Meanwhile, he's the only quiet one with us. We're just thinking, you know, nuna doesn't fear things. He's a special kind of person. He doesn't feel fear the way we do. So, you know, he's just quiet, watching us scramble.

Cristina: I don't know. That changes everything.

Jack: That changes everything because this falls into what you were saying about the judge. Did the judges go unconscious somewhere and his. Some other thing was in the shadow realm? Yes, because he says, we were just frozen in place, thinking. We say, bro, we were lost for like 30 minutes, homie. What do you mean you saw nothing? The three of us versus the one of you, bro, this is a different argument you're having.

Cristina: But is he right?

Jack: But is he right?

Cristina: I don't know. That's. That's really good. I don't know. That's so strange. That's just so out there. I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** Weird, bro. It's really strange. I don't know what to. There's a lot of complications here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Here is something that I believe is the veil thinning, which is melting trees that appear to melt or distort adding to the surreal landscape. I think this is just sort of the warped nature of the shadow realm being seen on this side. I think that's just areas where the notch is way turned up and we're just seeing what that side looks like.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: My note for that was just likely trees in the shadow realm different than the wandering shadows in the forest. There are eerie shadows that move independent of sound, independent of structure, and independent of physical motion. This is strange because what they mean by independent of normal physical motion is they can go vertically and horizontally but in a walking human fashion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like they'll just be walking and sort of like walking up into the sky suddenly.

Cristina: Because they're probably going up a building or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We just can't see it.

Jack: We don't see the building. We see the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're the living thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't see the structure.

Cristina: Kind of makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: It's weird. It would be weird to see, but it might make sense over there.

Jack: Yes. Informed enough. It's not disturbing to us because it seems like. Yeah, there's probably a structure there that we can't interact with. And it's just going up some stairs or something.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not that crazy. Okay.

Jack: Which then goes and supports again that there's buildings here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which supports that there's a civilization in around Clinton Road. Shifting paths. Which is the problem we faced.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that is the literal story I was getting to about people going in a straight line and then exiting directly where they came straight through. That's shifting paths.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Us entering Paradise Road. Paradise Road disappearing behind us. And us just being in Paradise Town and not finding the road horrifying. Until it's suddenly just, hey, it's somewhere else apparently. Let's exit. And somehow it still took us to Clinton Road back. It's like this was. We didn't take any turns. We took a turn to get here now. And it still took us to the same place. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Mysterious footprints.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Footprints that just begin and stop in the middle of a trail without a beginning point or an ending point. I think this just falls into more shadow realm stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Maybe this is a spot where the notch is particularly turned up and we can start to see them literally affecting our physical space. And then they get. Get far from whatever's causing that anomaly. And then we no longer see the footprints. They kept walking on their side, didn't just disappear on their end, but the veil is thinner, is more tight elsewhere. And it's thinner in this spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's my theory for that.

Cristina: I think so. It's not that crazy.

Jack: I think this next one falls a lot with the kids, which is ghostly campers which seem to be around the road. These people just hanging around the road, camping. You oftentimes even see tents. Apparitions in campers setting up tents around fires near the road. But they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't look human.

Jack: They look like shadows. Even with light present weird. And proximity. When somebody goes to see these campers, they aren't there anymore. Even with the fire burning. You get closer and the fire itself starts to dim, dim, dim until there's nothing camping. I think they're camping by the sea. I think they're being just as much as we're on this side. Oh, Clinton Road. This attraction, Horseman's Traveling. The kids are chilling there because it's entertaining and fun. People are camping by this road.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if they see ghosts like we see echoes. Like, it's still an interesting spot to hunt for echoes or find echoes to them.

Jack: Maybe they're finding the same thing. Yeah. Distortions from their path.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they think that's as cool as we find it cool. And that's why we go there.

Jack: 100. It could totally 1000% be based on these comparisons. There are people just chilling here, trying to see the same things we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah. It's probably even weirder. Whatever they're seeing is probably even weirder than what we're saying.

Jack: I mean, maybe not for them. Maybe like, you know, we hear about ghosts and, oh, my God, this place is haunted. And we see an old guy pushing a wheelbarrow and it's like, all right, well, they see a wet shud, John. A loop. And it's like, to us, I would look nuts. But to them it's just like, oh, yeah, the echo of the wolf. You know, the wolf died.

Cristina: Entertaining enough for them to want to hang out in that spot, though.

Jack: Yeah. They're trying to get themselves scared.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, oh, wow. Cool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It feels. It really, really just feels like they're people, bro. Like they're really gin. Even in text. Seem to just be people.

Cristina: I think so over there. Yes.

Jack: They're not bad people. There are bad people. There are some who are bad, but we got humans who are bad.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know? Yes. There's a dude in a truck also. I would argue that guy's just a human on that side.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: Yeah. The truck part kind of makes that argument pretty strong.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Yeah, exactly like the truck. They're not building trucks over there, bro. Come on. And then the final note on this is the floating lanterns, which again supports this again of. They're usually by the road in the woods.

Cristina: They're just hanging out.

Jack: Just hanging out, bro. They're chilling, they're seeing, they're doing what we're doing. Except they don't have cars. That's it. They're just doing what we're doing.

Cristina: Yeah, that's just them hanging out, I think. Yeah. There's weird stuff happening over there. Like over here. Yes. And so it's an attraction to them too.

Jack: Now, a random point to toss in about my personal experience with, with the guy in the robe. I thought he had a machete, not a shotgun. And what we saw was a deer open. If that deer was horrified enough. And this guy knew what he was doing. He was trying to get to the other side, wasn't he? He was by himself trying to get.

Cristina: To the other side and he just killed some s***.

Jack: And he opened it. He wasn't covered in blood. It was just opened. Yeah, this guy probably took some organs out, Ambros. Just spitballing. I don't know. But you're in the right place.

Cristina: You're in the right place for sure.

Jack: You're in the right place. If ever there was a maybe you're just trying to communicate. We know that the Vikings did that. They consumed a crap ton until they started hearing voices. And then those voices started guiding them and they turned it into a place that they could just casually walk there and interact with, quote the gods, unquote. Yes, the gods knew where to go and they knew where to go to just effortlessly interact with one another. Which, by the way, in theory, we could still do that today. We would just require killing a s*** ton of people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in theory, we could have a perfect, in sync, one to one communication with the other side. And I think we don't need to make it. I think maybe that exists somewhere in Clinton Road already and that somebody might know it. You know where I think it is, and I think we all think it's in the same f****** place. It's in the castle.

Cristina: Okay. Are we gonna get to the Castle.

Jack: We're gonna get to that castle.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: Yeah. The next part is about three times as long as these two parts and is the one I called significant. These are the things that are obviously something to look at. Everything else we talked about in this episode and last episode. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And for last episode. Yeah, for last episode was definitely the most important because we got things to look at. For this side, there's less to look at, although there's still some things to look at. Mainly not things here. But what this made us think of. Yes, next time, I believe 100% of that we have to look at, but we'll get to that. Anyways, as usual, if you guys have any input, any additional information or anything you could think about, feel free to contact us about it.

Cristina: Tell us.

Jack: You can tell us on our socials. That's on TikTok, on Instagram, on Facebook, on X, anywhere. Anywhere, Anywhere. At just Convopod. Yeah, we got kicked out of YouTube and Reddit. Just Convopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing in the world. If you find what we are talking about interesting and you want to show somebody else what this is, feel free to do so because we will appreciate it.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sam.

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July 06, 2024

Rambling 280: Clinton Road: Part 1: Echoes

July 06, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is Clinton Road actually Haunted? If not, what could explain the odd occurrences? Is there anything we can learn from them? The duo revisits the case of Clinton Road, a place often considered the most haunted region on Earth. Jack’s first hand experiences and the amount of reported cases work together to provide a new perspective on what is truly taking place at this paranormal hot spot.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Thin Places
Spacetime Distortions
Ghosts vs Phantoms
Wormholes
Echoes
Slipping Through Time
The Bird Theory

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And we have quite the baffling at the moment. So let's do a little house cleaning. Right. Hella years ago, we did a Halloween episode where I was talking about my experiences at Clinton Road. Yeah, the first time we did this, it took three episodes to really break apart everything that I personally experienced there. And it was just for the sake of Halloween. But then the episode stretched out and it was like a three part thing. And on the last of the three episodes, we called up Reaper and Nune and we had conversations with them relative to the thing so that they can tell us their angles on it. And everybody had a different story.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And everybody talked about different timings and everybody talked about a lot of different things. Now we know the stories say that Clinton Road is an exceptionally haunted place. We've about two years after that point, took another deep dive into Clinton Road. And then we found about thin places. And this kind of lined up pretty heftily that there was just, you know, space time anomalies and distortions taking place and that a lot of what was taking place could have just been echoes that existed in that region.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Except we've now gotten even more insight and information. We found out how space time distortions in the form of thin places get formed. So in a weird full circle scenario, something that was totally unrelated has suddenly become pressing because it has space time distortions, which could only have been caused by highly advanced electrical magnetic technology, which could only have been done by the ancient civilizations that were extremely advanced, particularly the only ones that had that level of energy, which were either Djinn or f****** Elysians somehow. Full little circle.

Cristina: But why were they there?

Jack: But why were they there?

Cristina: Huh? Interesting.

Jack: Yes. So in figuring this out, it makes sense to once again visit this place. But now with new eyes and the ability to look granularly at all the things that could possibly be happening there. And so I've done that. I've gone and I've looked for a lot. Now here's what I'm gonna preface this with. There's a lot. So this episode is gonna be very surface level. The reason I began this was by talking about how we approached this in Halloween is because I kind of want to keep driving this topic that's probably gonna take us beyond Halloween because of how many things there are here. And we have to unpack some of them. None of which we're going to do here, but we're gonna. We're gonna discuss a couple of these.

Cristina: Points while we refreshing our memories or something.

Jack: We're gonna. We're gonna go through the things that are here and we're gonna talk. It's not anything about me. We're not refreshing memories on anything.

Cristina: No. We're learning the past episodes. No, we're going.

Jack: No, no. We're just. This has nothing to do with us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're just gonna go through Clinton Road with nothing about us involved. No. No past research. No. Nothing. We at what exists. And then with the new eyes, we have kind of talk about the things that are obviously gonna stick out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We didn't know these things before, although we brushed by them. Now we're gonna look at these things that we've seen before, but now we have fresh eyes and it's suddenly gonna be like, Okay, I've divided this into three different sides that matter at different grades. The first of these sides is called echoes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This part comes first because we're going to easily dismiss it unless something in particular sticks out that we might need to correct for. But otherwise, these are things I believe are echoes.

Cristina: Okay, cool. There's a lot of them.

Jack: There's a lot. The one we'd be going to after that is going to get a little more pressing. These are phantoms. These are. These. Have a little bit of thought to them.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And we're going to end at a third area that is just labeled under the things that are definitely, without a question, significant.

Cristina: That's what they're just significant.

Jack: Just significant.

Cristina: Well, what a difference.

Jack: Okay, so let us go back and visit this part one of a Clinton Road. Revisit this part one. I am calling the menu. This whole episode is called the menu. This is the menu we're gonna be unpacking. Okay, so let us begin first with a quick description of what we mean by echoes. When people say ghost, they are talking too blanketly. And ghosts have been obscured. So now ghost is a blanket term. It will remain a blanket term, but it highlights several things. It highlights dead humans who are spirits. It highlights creatures from other realms which are phantoms, and it highlights space time distortions and reflections which are echoes, all of which we refer to as ghost. Unanimously, yes. But these three things are now going to be unpacked. So specifically, echoes are the ones we're looking For. Because we can write those off. Those are only being caused by the space time anomaly. We don't know what caused the space time anomaly, but we know that things do cause the spacetime anomaly. We already have that fact in place. So now let's just discard the ones that don't matter. First, the boy at the bridge. There's a child, a ghostly boy. An apparition that shows up. And the boys reported he's reportedly always under a bridge picking up coins that people take.

Cristina: That's what I remember. I don't remember the whole story. I remember there's a boy with a coin.

Jack: And so he goes and gets the coins from underneath the bridge and he puts them back on top of the bridge. People see him consistently doing this one motion. He goes to the bottom of the bridge, grabs coins, bring those to the top of the bridge, goes back to the bottom, gets coins. And so the repetition of this, the fact that nobody sees anything different of this boy tells us that boy is not there. That's either in the past, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or in the future. But likely mostly in the past because he tends to look old timey. Tends to look like an 1800s child.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it fits the suit. He must have actually been there, maybe grabbing coins, collecting them himself to play or something. And we're seeing kind of the moment.

Cristina: Back of that moment.

Jack: Not a flash. Yeah, Sort of a flashback. The echo, the reflection of that instance in time. And this has been. This is upon one of the most mentioned things. But he's always described the same way.

Cristina: Okay. We're saying these are not ghosts. This isn't the ghost of the dead boy or anything. Like he is a person that existed and he's probably dead right now.

Jack: Yeah. But this is echo. This isn't him. This isn't like his spirit is cut in a time loop. No, this is. We're seeing through time back to when he was actually doing that. Yeah, that's literally him. But we're looking through a time window.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The next one is just referred to as the girl. Now, this is a sort of ghostly girl in a white dress. Not to be confused with the lady in the white dress that is originally from Clinton Road too. Two different individuals. So this girl in the white dress is often wandering the road, believed to be searching for her parents. That's different than the hitchhiker lady in the white dress who usually gets a ride. And this is the typical story of you take her home. And then they're like, what the f***? My daughter's been Dead for years. Because she leaves like her hoodie in the back seat or something. And then the guy always comes back, oh, my God, I left the thing. And then, oh, no. So that's a different lady. This other girl is just always walking and she doesn't get in anybody's car. But I remember reading about this when we did this the first time. And it's always that she's looking for her parents and that she has like a really blank stare. Kind of like a nightgown. Not even a dress. It's sort of more like a nightgown. Like she just walked out of her house or something. And she's always walking on the side. She's got lost. Somebody asked, hey, are you okay? I'm just looking for my family.

Cristina: And that I able to take her home.

Jack: She does. She never gets in the car. They ask her to get in. She just walks away. Well, weird. Now, here's the thing about this. This is confusing. This one has a question mark next to it. Because the fact that they can interact with her is weird. But they ask her. But I think some of these echoes are also like, again, maybe somebody stopped by there around that time back then.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why you hear her say the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's always. She's looking for her parents and she's always walking along the same area.

Cristina: She's saying it's probably something she did say.

Jack: Exactly something somebody did see her. And hey, you're right. And oh, no, I'm just looking for my family. And so we're seeing that moment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And some enough people, it's, you know, it's a hot spot. It's a tourist attraction. Enough people go through there that occasionally they catch her at that very moment and then they happen to talk to her at that very moment and she happens to say what she would say.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it's like, oh, my God. She said, but you're not really talking to her. It's always the same loop. It never changes.

Cristina: Yeah. I think it's still an echo.

Jack: I think that is checks out as an echo. Right. It doesn't seem like this is fantastic.

Cristina: No.

Jack: The next one referred to as the hitchhiker. This one is a person looking for a ride.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But there seems to be a cutoff point. So that by default means. Yeah. It's like they're asking for a ride and they just vanish in front of you.

Cristina: Yeah. But it still seems like an echo. Like that's true for sure. That's probably what they were doing once Upon a time. And they did get that ride.

Jack: Yeah. And a lot of people theorize that the hitchhiker got killed by somebody, but that's not how this would work.

Cristina: No, this has nothing to do with how they died.

Jack: No, this has nothing to do with.

Cristina: Everyone's gonna assume all these things are related to ghosts, and therefore they must have died in the area, which probably not. They probably just. They're really from that area. Yeah.

Jack: These are people who were definitely just people who lived around here. It seems to be the case, and it seems to be with echoes. It's always the way that that works. So I think the hitchhiker definitely appropriately put under an echo. The cutoff point makes it too obvious. I think anytime there's a cutoff point to, like, restart, you're objectively an echo.

Cristina: Yep. And it's not a ghost. It's important to know that, yes, they're dead, but they're not. It wasn't like someone murdered them.

Jack: No. Everything is a ghost that we're talking about. That's why we're referring to this as an echo.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The different ghosts are the echoes and the phantoms. But this is a ghost. It's just not.

Cristina: It's not that they were hiking and then getting murdered and now.

Jack: Yeah, it's not a phantom that's over here.

Cristina: Thinking is unrelated to why they're there.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This isn't like a lingering spirit. We have the bicyclist, a spectral bicyclist, sometimes seen riding along the road, believed to have died and in a hit and run accident. Always on the same part of the road, always for about the same distance, Always on the bike, always the same outfit. And he's never seen beyond that point or before that point.

Cristina: And they're always gonna assume they died.

Jack: He must have died there.

Cristina: Unless they look like. Like if he looked like he was hit by something and he's.

Jack: Then I would say, okay, okay, you saw the death.

Cristina: Yeah, but it was just a guy riding a bike.

Jack: Yeah, it's just a guy riding a bike and. Yeah, exactly. It's like such a waste of thought ultimately, to be like, oh, his death put him here. It's like, I mean, if you saw him die, maybe, but chances are. Nah, nah. It has nothing to do with it. And the place is distorted. Yeah, the place is distorted. Not the people. Next, the haunted lake. This one is. Weird one. This is the lake near Clinton Road, and it is said to have been haunted by spirits of those who drowned in it. It's off a sharp Right turn, there's like a hard right entering Clinton Road. I'm not sure from which side, the south or the north. But right off of one of those two entrances, there is a little dirt path that goes on, and then it leads to this lake. This lake has two important things that are very weird. One, there are consistently sightings of people fishing there and people, like, hanging out in the lake usually at nighttime. And they're there and like. Like walking around it. You kind of get glimpses of them and stuff, but they're not like, really there. What makes this really weird is there's a high point vantage. This vantage point. We can see the lake. And from that point, people have always said the lake looks populated and full. I think there is an angular distortion that allows a continuous view of a past point. From that vantage point they're looking at.

Cristina: That's cool. And then, like, there's many figures, but they might not even be there at the same time.

Jack: That. Exactly. This could be a. The tall grass scenario where all the different timelines are kind of converging at that one spot. And through this sort of window, you see it all in one spot.

Cristina: The lake is a hot spot. That's where people want to hang out.

Jack: Yes, exactly. You people would normally be there in groups.

Cristina: Yeah. So it would be many groups. But those many groups are not there together.

Jack: They would be there for hours sometimes. So if there's just time slips that last a second, they would have been there to be caught by the time slips so that we can see them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it would look populated. And I do believe up there in that vantage point there is that. That is in fact maybe a sustained sort of thin place entrance that you can look through. Maybe you'd have to jump and clear a distance to get through it, but it seems to be sustained because it's always the same spot that people go to to see the lake filled with people.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Jack: So that's a good. A great example of it being just an echo, but, like, you could probably jump through if we could see the gap. The problem is we can't see the entrance or exit to thin places. We can only see what's on the other side. But if we could somehow make a technology that allows us to detect them, I wonder how many we would see if turned it on. Like, you know, I put thin place detecting glasses. Would it look like bubble gates? Would it just be like a tear in space? I think it would look like a perfect sphere.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Everything in nature Kind of.

Jack: I think it looks like a perfect sphere.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: A wormhole.

Cristina: Wormhole looking thing.

Jack: Yeah. We can't see it. And again, it's always positions properly with what you're looking at. So yes, in the past that lake was still there. So it's not like you looking through it. Oh, there's something else there. Yeah, you see a different time of it. But you know, geographically it's the same.

Cristina: It still looks. Yeah, it looks the same.

Jack: So you wouldn't see the entrance. Now if the place changed drastically and there was a place like this. Here would be my next sentence. I think because there is a sustained doorway that allows us to see to the past. Maybe there's a location that we altered somewhere on earth that has the same effect. And when you stand through it, we can see the entrance not because we're seeing the wormhole, but because the other side looks so different that it looks like two images overlapping. And one is a circular sphere of a different place that should exist somewhere. But it should exist as such a weird kind of.

Cristina: It's not like that farm place where we sometimes see the hole sometimes.

Jack: That could totally be the case. Is that a wormhole to a different time? It is a space time distortion. And we know thin places cause this. And those holes are migrating consistently. They're never in the same place.

Cristina: And are those even there now? Like I don't think.

Jack: Yeah, they show up and disappear all the time to this day.

Cristina: Wow. But like I don't know because you're looking at it, but I don't know.

Jack: To this day they move around. Yeah, it's f****** weird. But I think this, the haunted lake gives us a lot of information because the haunted lake tells us that they are thin place sustained entrances that don't move. And that seems to be one presumably one that if we could see and maybe keep open by will we can traverse to whatever alternate time that is. Potential time travel just exists. Yeah, but they would be tiny little gateways that we can't see. And we'd have to accent this also.

Cristina: Would expect multiple times are overlapping in that you're seeing groups of people.

Jack: That depends. It depends. That's a theory where. It depends if that's the actual case that's happening. Because it could have been a day that they were all at the lake, sunny day, you happen to be in the summer and all those people are one moment. And if that's the case and that's one place. And that would create an interesting situation. Right. We're talking about people flying and their planes completely disappearing. And you're going through where? Oh, you're crossing over to Bermuda Triangle. And what the. Do those people have excessively overpowered technology. You'd be making thin places like a m***********.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then somebody flies over your thing and your plane totally disappears. We never see a crash. We never see anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: No remnants. When we go and check, you're just gone. Or maybe there are enough sustained thin places that somebody went in. Poof. Popped out in the future. Popped out in the past. And they have no idea what. They can't see it to go right back in. They're just somewhere else.

Cristina: Some other time.

Jack: Some other time. And there's no way back. We've seen glimpses. Maybe there is. Let's say where I'm sitting, there's a thin place, and you are a plane flying parallel. You're not flying towards me, you're flying parallel. Me standing down here, you on the other side of the thin place in whatever time you're in. I'm technically looking through the thin place when you fly in front of it. And I see you from your time. From my angle. In my time, we've seen many things like this. Pictures of planes and hieroglyphs and stuff. That's easily somebody flying right by a bubble. And I see it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you didn't notice it was here. I didn't notice it was there, except I saw something weird. That's it.

Cristina: You saw something weird, but I didn't see anything.

Jack: You see anything. And so it looks like you blinked in, blinked out, but you never entered my thing. But now let's say that same thin place was in front of you instead. Then you enter it. But then I didn't just see you show up and disappear in my end. You just entered my end. And you'll never get back to yours. Okay, that explains many of the planes that have just disappeared. Boats have just disappeared, all of which happen to be around the premier triangle, which we know has the largest energy displacement on the planet.

Cristina: Yeah, they're just traveling somewhere else.

Jack: A lot of these dots are trying to f****** make sense. Some other time, different time through these sort of portals. And that's all thanks to this lake that gives us a good frame of reference. Now we get to the lady in white, which is a completely different apparition from the girl. This is again the one that always gets in the car and the one that has been dead. But this is a weird one. This has a little star next to it because the. You can interact with Her. But this seems less like. And she gets in your f****** car.

Cristina: But again, the hiker, though, gets in your car.

Jack: No, the hiker asks for a ride. And just. But this lady gets in the car, and you take her where she's going, and then she goes inside. And then the people inside never saw the door open. They never saw anybody come in. You come back with a hoodie, you knock, and they're like, what the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My question is, how does this story repeat? And the family isn't like, oh, somebody else showed up with the hoodie. That's where I get f***** up.

Cristina: That's also an echo.

Jack: Then they're not there. The family is part of the echo.

Cristina: I would think so.

Jack: Except the girl gets in your car. How are you tactically positioned in the same exact way? How are you moving in such a way that's so identical to how she moved when she was in the previous car that you don't lose. Sink and drive left slightly, and she's just floating next to you. Why doesn't that happen? This is interacting with the person. This isn't an echo, then. But then everything else would suggest an echo. Yeah, except she interacted with the individual and she left the physical object in the car.

Cristina: So then everything plays out just like an echo. That's the weird thing.

Jack: That's a weird thing. This is why this is a unique situation, because all the characteristics of an echo, except it has this one facet of a phantom. It's interacting with you. And the family at the door is too. When you get to the door, they get. They open it. When you get to the door, they're not just. You arrive and they're talking to nobody because you arrived five minutes too late. And they're just. Yeah, you see them talking to nobody. Or you get there too early and nobody answers for the longest. Until it's the time that it's supposed to be triggered. That they would open the door. No, no. It plays always the same. This is a weird one, because I would argue something different is happening. My argument is there's still an echo. I would argue this is. You never left Clinton Road. I would argue this is a person slipping into a thin place.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And now you're kind of trapped in a series of events.

Cristina: And once you're done with it, then you're out of it.

Jack: You exit on the other end. Yeah, I think we're seeing a different type of echo, one you're partaking in. You're not really interacting with it, but you've fallen into the Echo space.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now you're part of the echo. Even if they're not there. And you technically are. You're kind of all here at the same time too.

Cristina: And you have to.

Jack: You have to complete the role.

Cristina: Complete the role. Yeah.

Jack: I would argue this is how Groundhog Day happens. In Groundhog Day, there's no way to really know how the role completes.

Cristina: You just have to.

Jack: You have to figure it out. That's the problem. He. He entered the thin place without being in a unique space where only one event is taking place. A thin place like this. You're in the middle of f****** nowhere. There's an obvious step to take. Oh, let me take the girl home. Oh, she forgot the thing. Oh, let me take it back home. Where she. There's obvious conclusions that could lead you to the exit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Groundhog Day situation is you just fell in, and you don't know where you fell in, what caused it or anything. And there's also no guide on your way out. You don't know where the exit is.

Cristina: No. But you just. You stumble upon it. Like you stumbled upon the entrance.

Jack: Yes. So in this situation, the situation is guiding you towards the exit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's because the echo ends at the other end. Not because the echo literally ends there, but because there happens to be a thin place that's the exit point. And they're sort of connected.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so weird.

Jack: I think this is people falling into him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As opposed to you seeing it, you're interacting with it, but it's sort of playing like an echo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And again, you get to a house where somebody's interacting with you, but there can't be anybody there that doesn't check out, because they're not just like, oh, somebody else showed up with the same story.

Cristina: Yes. Like, how long could they live? And that's like.

Jack: So it's unique to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let's take an additional farther step. The proof that that is what's happening is that there are three moments here. There is you who exist in one instant, the family who exists in a second instant, and the girl who died before that family incident. That's why you can exit. Because the family's house is in a different thin place. That's a different echo that happened to happen however many years after the girl died.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there just happens to be another bubble related. But they're not really. They're two different bubbles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you'll always fall into one. Interacting with the girl because she's where one is. And then the exit or not the exit, but just a different bubble that would just drop you back in your time. He's where the house is.

Cristina: Yeah. That is so strange. She takes you to the end of her bubble. Is beginning of another bubble. Pretty much.

Jack: Yeah. It's not even the beginning or end. Both of them are just entrances and exits. And you happen to. When you interact with her, the only way you can interact with her is by crossing in because you're not seeing her on one end. The story always happens that if you saw her, you ended up being the guy who delivered the thing. You've never not seen her outside that context. Nobody sees the lady in the white dress and not interact with her. People see the girl in the white dress in the white gown, and then they'll interact with her. But people don't see the lady in the white dress without ever interacting with her. It's almost like there's no option. There's nothing else around you at that moment, which checks out with you're somewhere else.

Cristina: Okay. I think unique.

Jack: That. Yes. That's very, very unique. I think that's definitely among them.

Cristina: So multiple echoes.

Jack: Multiple echoes playing together. That's two different bubbles. And you enter the echo space. Next one is the abandoned mental asylum, which is the typical, you know, oh, my God, something horrible happened there. But now we're in closer to home territory because maybe. Maybe something happened there. Because mental asylum, that's not about who died there. It's about what experiment was secretly being run there. We have a building, and it's haunted. And a haunted building, probably something went down. And the haunted buildings are always. What? They're always asylums where you can experiment on people. They're always prisons where you can experiment on people. It's usually where people aren't gonna miss the people.

Cristina: Those are still echoes.

Jack: Yes, but it is an echo of a place that might be one of the locations resulting in the thin places.

Cristina: Thin places.

Jack: The place matters more. That's why I didn't say the people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I said the place because the place here matters.

Cristina: It could also probably be a hotspot for Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: Well, that would be a result of the place. Again, the distortion opens up all these things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why the place is what matters. Not the Shadow Realm people, not the humans that might have been tortured. There's the place. Yeah, because the place had whatever event took place that allowed for more thin places.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And assuming this is one spot with a bunch of thin places. But there is, as we know, a castle that is Suspected to have sketchy s*** happen with a bunch of thin places. There's a town. They had a bunch of thin. So an area where there might have been a group of people who settled and had a bunch of different facilities doing a bunch of different s***. And this might be one of them. Particularly because out of all the structures there, this is the second most haunted place. It has the most thin places. It has had the most sightings. Even more than the castle. Although the castle is going to be our main attraction for different reasons. This has had hundreds of sightings within a day.

Cristina: Within a day.

Jack: Within a day. Groups of people going to explore, enter, see something. Almost every hallway. Try to get away, see things outside. Only when they get far enough does it start to decrease rapidly. Rapidly. Like the closer you get mad s***, the farther you get. Almost nothing.

Cristina: How big is it? Like, how many floors? Do you know how many rooms?

Jack: No. No details. Diving into nothing. We're eventually gonna unpack that and we'll find out all those details. None of this happens. Try to get deep into nothing because.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: We got too much. We haven't even made it to the next list. We're still on just echoes.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, we know. We're not diving into. There's too much.

Cristina: Interesting. All right.

Jack: That everything in here we're going to dive into at some point.

Cristina: Good, good, good.

Jack: So I definitely think this is a very important one. Just like the. The haunted lake and just like are.

Cristina: Going to visit the haunted lake again.

Jack: We're going to visit the haunted lake again. We're going to visit the lady in white again. And we're definitely going to visit this place.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: The next one is the ghost train.

Cristina: The ghost what?

Jack: The ghost train. This is a weird one because there was never in the past railroads here. Which tells us something really interesting. There's going to be railroads there. Now, that's interesting. Because of a look could be taken through that thin place at the right angle. We would be looking forward.

Cristina: That makes sense. Like you mentioned Egyptians seeing airplanes. Like it's possible.

Jack: No train tracks. But people see the train and they hear it coming from a while away. Like maybe if you're standing next to the thin place, you can hear the. Because you're hearing the sound come through it, and then you see it for a moment. If you happen to be looking in the same. Which checks out with the descriptions. Some people see it, some people hear it. Some people briefly see it after having heard it.

Cristina: Interesting. And if they're not going to have a train there, maybe these time Bubbles are a little more complicated than we think. Like maybe another hotspot in real life has a train. And they're. They're connected in a way.

Jack: Interesting. You think wormholes within. Like it's leading. The problem is. The problem is it doesn't look like that's how it works. What you would be arguing would be that there isn't a thin place, but rather a portal to a different part of our same space.

Cristina: But I don't think you travel. I think you're still seeing through time.

Jack: I think it's the same place we have. Would you be talking about is a portal and if there is, that would be walkable. Every portal we've seen is a traversable thing. So if that's the case, then that's visible. It would always be visible. And also we know portals don't function without structure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it couldn't be. It couldn't be a portal. It has to be a thin place because it has to be a space time distortion. There's no such thing as far as we know, as a portal that isn't sustained by technology to the point that we've had several different people had to be taught by somebody how to build a portal.

Cristina: So how are they watching a train?

Jack: I just said it's probably a thin place looking forward forward.

Cristina: And you think in the future there's going to be a train.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, how is that any different than right now? Us seeing thin places looking through the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't that exist in the future in the same place? And we're seeing the other end of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why would we be the most ahead no matter what? I think it's just as light. And it would have to be that we have just as many looking forward as we would have looking back. There's no logic as to. And if the thin places don't dissipate ever, then there's literally an infinite amount of them looking in every direction infinitely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, so it would have to be tied like that. My question to that would be, are there thin places that work in such a way where this one only looks back to that time and that one only looks back to this time? So only when I'm in that time will I see it. But then there are some that are always. So I'll explain the two differences.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's a bubble that where I'm standing right now in 10 minutes will become visible for 10 minutes and will disappear. And it'll only ever be visible for those 10 minutes in that moment. And so somebody on the other end will only see me ever in that moment through there. Because the bubble isn't gonna sustain. I'll never be able to see the bubble again. And only them on the other end for those 10 minutes could see it. And then it's gone. So it connects 1985 at 3 o' clock to 2024 at 7pm in this one place and only in that. So forever. He saw me and I saw him and that's it. And that bubble doesn't exist. But the next minute a different bubble somewhere else. And so a bunch of bubbles are always coming in and out because the whole place is distorted. That's one situation. Another one will be. Maybe there are fixed ones. This seems to be the case. There are fixed ones that you can always look into.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that moment you can always see, but the bubble you're looking through in might dissipate and pop up. So I walk to this spot at the bridge and I see the kid. You go to this spot, but you didn't see the kid. But then another person comes by and they do see the kid.

Cristina: So that's what it seems like.

Jack: Yeah, sometimes and sometimes not. So the bubble on this end sometimes is here, but the end it's looking at is always there.

Cristina: I would think that's how it works. Because, like, I don't. I doubt everyone ever sees the kid.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: See the kid.

Jack: Because then it'd be weird. Anytime you walk by that spot, like literally, that means people could get out of their cars and start taking pictures of this pass point. Yeah, but because that doesn't happen, it suggests our end is not fixed. But that end is. But it seems to be in the same spot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's why I don't think there's ever been. Oh, you're seeing something else. Where the train looks like it's cutting through the woods. It doesn't look like, oh, there's a town on the other side or something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And again, there's no structure. How would you have a portal when literally the most complicated, most sophisticated minds we've ever known about. We're trying to design these things just to get it to work. More about looking forward. Abandoned cars are seen consistently. Many. Some people have sometimes looked and seen the entire street covered with abandoned cars. And then the next second notice, there's nothing there.

Cristina: That's kind of scary. Yes.

Jack: Not only that, it tells us something quite interesting. A train is going to be seen there in the future. Civilization is going to exist there. Follow me on this. What if nothing has happened there yet. And the distortion that's going to cause a space time problem happens in the future. And the wreckage, the train, which suggests civilization, the cars all abandoned on the road, which suggests civilization. That hasn't happened yet. Those people get sacrificed. That creates the space time distortion that we now see. And that's why no matter how far back we look, we never come across it. It's always just distorted. But where's the origin?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's because it's not happened yet. But the distortion must exist because it's through time. So the distortion is present because it's going to happen.

Cristina: It's going to happen. I think so. That makes sense. It's going to happen.

Jack: The cars, the train.

Cristina: Could be that something in the future leads to whatever's happening right now.

Jack: Yep. That's a really weird one. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The possibility that the reason we can't pinpoint what these distortions origin is is because there is no origin yet.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: All right, next on the list is the Haunted playground.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Which is an old overgrown playground that is said to be haunted by kids, of course. And something crying. Either a woman or some kind of animal imitating humans. Which is way horrifying. The repetition of this very echo. Disembodied. It's always in the same region. Weirdly enough, the area this tends to begin and end at are a dirt road. And where the laughter ends seems to be at the beginning of Paradise Road. And the playground is in the woods off the dirt. Paradise Road is where I took. Where me and the guys ended up. Hearing the kids laughing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we were exactly where we would hear kids laughing. I didn't know that was part of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Last time we didn't stumble upon that.

Cristina: So they're laughing by the park is.

Jack: What by a park? That's by the entrance of Paradise.

Cristina: And there's someone crying.

Jack: And there's somebody crying. The crying we did not hear. We heard the laughing children.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know what's scarier. It's really hard. I think if you heard both, it might be less scary.

Jack: No, I think if you heard both, it's manic and more scary. Laughing and crying everywhere all at once.

Cristina: That's kind of. Yeah. But they're not sure what the crying sounds like.

Jack: Not in that area. It just sounds like something is crying. It sounds like. Kind of like a woman. But it's unclear. Which is the horrifying part about it. It's like man, it's almost like a woman. But the fact you got a question is what makes it uneasy?

Cristina: Yeah. That's way more scary than, like, children laughing.

Jack: But that ain't even the only thing crying. Because way away from there, towards the center of Clinton Road, about five miles in, there is consistently a baby heard crying in the woods.

Cristina: And they for sure know that's a baby.

Jack: That is for sure a baby screaming quite loud just in the woods. And many people have heard this one. This is among one of the most reported ones. And this is among one of the reasons people evacuate Clinton Road.

Cristina: That's so scary.

Jack: Yep. And screaming quite loud, like, come save me, like, almost is trying to get you to, oh, my God, there's a baby.

Cristina: I don't know. I would convince myself it's a crow pretending to be a baby.

Jack: The other one, people have posited that maybe there are animals pretending to cry because children might have fallen in the park or whatever.

Cristina: And they heard it because birds like to imitate sound. Yes, that's the sounds it's hearing constantly. I mean, like, what if an echo was of a baby crying or a lady laughing? Like, those are real.

Jack: And then the birds hear it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yep. Because they would also be in proximity to the thin places. And birds fly. They could be floating in and out all the time, landing in different places they don't even know.

Cristina: And that's why you hear the thing crying. But you're not sure what that one is. But you know, there's a baby crying.

Jack: That actually makes a lot of sense. I think you just solved a lot of the noises. Because it again, birds imitate sounds. Birds fly. A place riddled with thin places. Birds flying, not seeing them, you just hear. Now you're over there now and you heard there was a park there. However long ago you heard it, you go, you're now in the past. You think you're in the same place. You're making the sounds. You heard. There's nothing there. But now kids. People hear kids laughing and baby's crying. And then you fly through the thing again. You're no longer there. Now you're in this time.

Cristina: That's so complicated.

Jack: And it's just birds, usually crows, which happen to be in woody, wooded areas and in farmland. And this is a very recluse removed kind of rural area riddled within places. A couple of flights. You're moving through time. It is easy to. I think that is a great solution for that problem. I think the sounds can't be relied on because it's probably birds imitating. And that would answer a lot. Unless There was a house somewhere near there in a different time. Which again that still holds a possibility. That in the future this place is a bunch of people with the intent to do something horrible eventually.

Cristina: Is there a kids park there currently?

Jack: Yes. Right next to Paradise Road.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Like it's.

Jack: The theory, seems to be my theory that Paradise Road is gonna grow and eat all of Clinton Road. Like the entirety is going to become one new town, new city type of thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's going to be sacrificed way in the future to make a different stone. And that's why it's so f****** riddled. We're talking about maybe the largest stone that exists is going to be there.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Which is why it's also the most haunted place on earth.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: I think the largest stone and the fact that people have seen entire wreckage as far as the eye can see.

Cristina: I would like to see that. That's so scary. But cool.

Jack: It's not right? Yeah, it is an absurd thing that could have happened. Next one is ghost carriages.

Cristina: So carriage is like the thing with the horse?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or that old timey.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Now again the fact that there doesn't seem to be something traceable far back enough. It just seems like people were using this road the same way all of time. And then sometime in the future there were people living here like a fuckton. But at the moment and looking backwards in time, it's just more empty and more empty and more empty. So something crazy couldn't have happened here with less and less and less and less and less people. But that suggests that the distortion is throughout time and that we do see into the past. Even if this did happen in the future because we do see weird s*** from the past. The kid looked old timey and the carriages are old timey. Yeah, it's just normal New Jersey being old New Jersey. But us seeing those moments because of thin places.

Cristina: But is the carriage like. Do they. They call it ghost carriage because it's like riding along by itself or something?

Jack: Yeah, it's riding on the. On Clinton Road. People when they get close enough it vanishes. And like people have gone through it scared they're gonna hit it and sometimes it's gonna crash into them and just disappears. And it's really probably just went through you and like ghosts the closer you get because they're kind of translucent. You can't really see them up close. You got to be at a distance where what with a plasma looks more concentrated. It's an echo. It seems to be that it's definite. Most definitely an echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the last one is last for a reason in the echoes section and with a question mark, which is the Paradise Road cemetery. So Paradise Road Cemetery, like the playground is actually opposite sides of the playground on that same dirt road.

Cristina: Horrifying. Okay.

Jack: And the cemetery, you know, it's a cemetery, so haunted or whatever. The problem is the cemetery doesn't have a lot of people. It's a small cemetery, but the cemetery seems to have an absurd amount of activity. So it's just very, very, very active and happens to be at the same opposite side of the children. But there have been people seen there at all times, always active. Now, what we know about cemeteries is that cemeteries do. People are scared of them inherently. So this doesn't bounce off of a thin place. Because the problem here is that people do see a lot of repetition, but people do see ghosts staring right back at them. People do see ghosts trying to lure them in. Like, they look straight at them and tell them to come over here. But we've seen, when we were doing the Christmas episode, what graveyards really are. Because people are scared of them. Enough potential fear energy exists that creatures from the shadow realm do manifest there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, and so now we're getting to actual. Yes, there's ghosts there because the whole place is riddled with thin places.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But this spot actually has phantoms. It has djinn and other s*** from.

Cristina: The shadow realm there just hanging out.

Jack: Because it's fear filled.

Cristina: It's. The whole place is fear filled.

Jack: That is my next sentence. Okay, now the graveyard, extra scary. So you go to Clinton Road, you're extra scared already, and then you see that s***. Extra scary.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we got to make a distinction because all of Clinton Road is scary to people. And we were just talking about the echoes that people see there. But that does not mean that there isn't a bunch of s*** responding to people and a bunch of s*** that isn't there due to the thin places, but they're due to the fear. Things you can interact with, of course, of which there are more than there are ghosts. People have stories of literally getting harmed. People have physical proof in photos of. I don't know where the f*** this came from. Weird scratches that seem unnatural, Marks on their bodies, things saying their name, things talking.

Cristina: How do they know? Like, do they. I know they're not like us, but, like, does that give them special abilities? I know, like strength and whatever, but, like psychic abilities. Why?

Jack: I don't think it would make them psychic.

Cristina: Like, how would they Say your name.

Jack: I think you're with people who would say your name and they hear your name being said and they're assuring you, yeah, I'm here, too.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know who goes to Clinton Road by themselves? You're hanging.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Oh, I'm scared, Steve.

Cristina: We're gonna give their nicknames if we ever decide to go. Okay. We're not using our names. Do not call me by my name.

Jack: Fair.

Cristina: Because, like, I do not want to hear something say yes. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: No. It's nuts. And that is. Yeah, it's a really, really meant, often mentioned people with scratch marks. There are people who hear voices talking directly to them, saying their names. There are people who hear conversations that then stop when they're in the area and start referencing things that they're doing. It's just the weirdest f****** thing.

Cristina: That is scary.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, the problem we're facing is that we are 45 minutes into this episode, and I think the next section is gonna take about as long. So I think I'm not gonna do the Phantoms part. And this first part is entirely the echoes. This is kind of what I meant.

Cristina: By we're gonna be doing this for a while.

Jack: We're gonna be doing this for a while.

Cristina: And even you think past Halloween.

Jack: I think past Halloween. We have to unpack some of these things that I think are going to be full episodes of their own. Just to kind of. This is all just trying to understand the most active spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why beat around looking at other places if we can understand the most active spot? The knowledge we'll get from here will trivialize everything else. It'll be too easy to understand. And I think that's going to be a healthy approach. So instead of going into these next two sections that are just already set up episodes, I think we can, now that we've gone through the whole thing, have a short discussion before we close it off about what this informs us on. So I think the things that definitely don't matter here, because everything we've mentioned here is definitely an echo.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing checks out is not an echo. But the information we acquire by looking at these echoes is quite interesting. I think the boy and the bridge doesn't matter. That's literally an echo. The girl in the gown, literally an echo. There's no interaction. The hitchhiker, literally no interaction. The bicyclist, no interaction. It's when we get to the lake that we have interesting situations happening. A sustained, thin place that seems to always look at the same time or at multiple times, but is always present and you could actively choose to look through it. Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting. And the girl with the white.

Jack: The woman, the lady in the white dress.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hers is a different situation because it seems that way. The only place you can or the only time you see her is by.

Cristina: Slipping into the echo itself.

Jack: The echo itself.

Cristina: You have to complete whatever cycle you.

Jack: Have to do the Groundhog Day until you exit on the other end. So that's definitely something exceptionally interesting. And it would suggest that there is the possibility that there are thin places like this elsewhere that two events might be tied together.

Cristina: That's so interesting. I do think that's. That has to be another. I feel like that story has been around in other locations. Like I don't think I've heard. Like I've heard that. But not in Clinton Road.

Jack: It's funny because the original story came from Clinton Road. It was about the 1770s with people showing up. And this story took place with carriages to begin with.

Cristina: Okay. Because I'm pretty sure I've heard one that's like somewhere in the south though.

Jack: Yeah. So this place, this story originated with carriages. It's never an actual car that the original story was with. And this is also why they assume her dress looks like. The dress looks old timey and s***. And that she's out there, just typical girl. And then when you go to the house, the house is kind of like farming looking and stuff. And it's like we're. We're not that far the out there. Why is this house here? Type of vibes. So there's a lot of vibes that suggest that this is really, really, really old echo. Which would explain more how they're connected. Right. Because you give enough time from one echo to the other, there's enough gap that maybe eventually the thing happened. But the problem is how the. Did the other event happen to coincide with a person knocking on the door? Man, that's f****** weird. Unless the family of the girl is somehow involved with the s*** that's causing these thin places. There must be something, because how are they so connected to both the girl and them simultaneously? I get that. That's what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hers is the entrance, his is the exit. But how the f***. What are the odds that her way out there and they gotta drive four miles in the opposite direction and the exit just so happens to be there?

Cristina: I don't know if we find other stories like this that'd be interesting.

Jack: That'd be interesting.

Cristina: That's unrelated but like has its own one loop thing. Yeah.

Jack: That you gotta get through it in order to get out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's worth evaluating. You see, that's my point. This is very interesting. We don't necessarily acquire too much information, as much as a lot of questions. Yes. But then that brings up another point and I guess it's worth mentioning this house leaves where you find the girl to her family. You know the. How her family's house is in the direction of the asylum. It's one of the closest structures to the asylum. That's a coincidence and a half.

Cristina: Yes. And that's why you think the family's involved somehow.

Jack: The family could have something to do with it. It's possible. The people in this area have always been involved. And the future is people who aren't from the area who gonna be invited for other reasons.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Interesting. There's something there. Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: Something there for sure. Same thing goes with the train. That's an interesting. The train in the car is really fascinating because the train in the car suggests the future civilization is going to establish here. Like a lot of people are going to move in here. But although the train tells us enough people are going to be here that we're going to add transportation, the cars tell us far enough from that point.

Cristina: Something that's gonna happen. Okay.

Jack: It's gonna get really hardcore. I think those are the things that definitely matter. I think your description of birds is genius because that does in fact solve a lot. It is. Birds do imitate sounds and this answers a lot when it comes to weird sounds in the woods. And like, this is impossible. And how. And it's like, well, birds imitate babies all the time.

Cristina: Mm. Birds are weird creatures and themselves especially.

Jack: Crows which are drowning in that area.

Cristina: So it makes.

Jack: It checks out. And they're slipping in and out of different thin places, landing in different. That all checks out. So I think out of this episode we definitely already have some topics we're gonna be looking at again, which are the haunted lake, the lady in white, the abandoned asylum, the ghost train and the abandoned cars. All of those things have to be checked out.

Cristina: What about the cemetery?

Jack: The cemetery. I don't think it necessarily has to be checked out as much as it is an interesting sp because it's both phantoms and ghosts. It's clearly things that are present and clearly things that are not. Which checks out with the Christmas episode, which people go to see their dead passed away relatives just present. And then some people are like, no, but Those things are trying to get you. And it's like, okay, both those narratives kind of fit together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Things from the other side and things from this side at a different time. I think that is the reality of what we're looking at here. I think that's right.

Cristina: You've got a lot just from that.

Jack: Just from echoes. Echoes that are actually going to inform us on the bigger picture, because these are how these technologies have affected space, time and how they work. And understanding them might tell us a lot of ways that we can approach visualizing data from the past that we still haven't understood. Data from the present that might be too ambiguous. Information and. And perspective all working out. Yeah, I think that's pretty much it. I think that's what we're getting from this episode. So instead of. So this is part one, the menu echoes.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Longest thing, I guess. Next one is part two, the menu phantoms.

Cristina: Okay. And what was part three again?

Jack: I forgot that one is just the most important stuff, the significant things.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Dude, that's so ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah. Because what I just mentioned are things that, again, like I said, it didn't seem important at first, but maybe we'd find some gems, which we did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The things I know we're gonna look into are in that last section, and that's like 25 different points that are all relevant.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, okay, these are the echoes. You guys heard that if there's anything of these that you guys think are more important or maybe you think I.

Cristina: Can see the connection that we can't. Like the echo that's leading into another echo. Like, if you can help us out with that.

Jack: Yeah, if you can think about that in any kind of manner, shape, or form, or you see patterns that we're missing, or you think we're overvaluing something and you got a way to credit it and make us remove it so we got less to look into. Yeah, all of the above. Reach out to us on our socials. You could find us at just Convopod, on Tick Tock, on Twitter, AKA X, on Facebook, on Instagram. You can't find us on YouTube or on Reddit because we've been banned from both.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everyone about this. Any thinker you have who's into the weirdest, fringiest things. Science fiction, science, reality and fantasy, all of this. Tell them it might all actually be real, connected. Yes. Show them this so they know this.

Cristina: Has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 29, 2024

Rambling 279: Stonehenge

June 29, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why does Stonehenge look so familiar? Who built this interesting structure? What was its ultimate purpose? The duo accidentally stumble upon Stonehenge while investigating cold spots for paranormal activity. Between familiar designs to identical functions, the similarities and purpose of this place becomes way more obvious than could have ever been anticipated.

+Episode Details

Stone Configuration
The Avenue
Legends and Folklore
Similarities to other Structures
Records, Documents and Texts

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Hahahaha. Baffling day will be in fact.

Cristina: Haha.

Jack: Why, if I were some sort of a mime thing. Not a mime. What do you call it when you stick your hand up a doll's a** and you. He's not a mime, he's a puppeteer. Ventriloquist. First of all, I've never thought of this before, but have we in society sort of classified these two people in the same group? They're kind of like doing something, but also is like, what you're doing is impressive but unacknowledgeable.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mime and the ventriloquist. Have we been treating them like equals? Kind of like, yeah, you're here, but like, f*** you guys. And not a direct f***** you, like cool, but like passively cool. You're not even like, inherently cool. It's just passively cool. Yeah, like, yeah, I'll stop and look at you for like a minute, for.

Cristina: A second, I don't know.

Jack: And then I'm gonna continue on my way. Regardless how impressive what you're doing might be. Outside of my point, this is a show where we ground stuff. And that doesn't mean that we take things from the ground or that we put things on the ground in the ground in a literal sense. Because in a metaphoric sense, we literally mean. In a metaphoric sense, we literally mean we grab things and put them on the ground. That's what we mean in a metaphoric sense. We mean literally, metaphorically, that we would grab something and put it on the ground so that it's like based. Okay, no, but we don't mean it literally.

Cristina: Even though you're saying literally.

Jack: No, no, no, we don't mean it literally. We mean it metaphorically, but we mean that metaphor literally. Okay, so we're literally meaning that metaphor, but we're not meaning the sentence literally. No, we're meaning the metaphor literally. Of course that we're grounding these thoughts. We're putting them on the ground anyways.

Cristina: We're starting off with like pictures.

Jack: Yes, yes, we are. You get it.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: You get it. Have you been having fun with the new mysterious? It's always more mysteries. Have you been enjoying this new format?

Cristina: Yes, I guess, because it's very Strange.

Jack: It is, but it's the fact that this keeps happening.

Cristina: It's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. So I want you to tell me and the listener, I love this because I never put the image up. I tell them I'm always gonna put it up. But nobody puts it up. None of us put it up. Nobody puts anything up. The notes go up. Nothing goes up. Nobody puts anything up. So we're gonna describe this image. You're gonna describe this image. I know exactly what this is. I had to. Yeah, but you're gonna tell me what you're saying.

Cristina: I can't tell what's in the middle. I see. It looks like grass. It's a bunch of. It's just. It's very plain, grassy looking, with a circle.

Jack: So describe the grass. What are we talking about, grass wise?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Grass green.

Jack: Yeah. Like what? Where?

Cristina: Where? I don't know where. This is in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: How is the grass distributed?

Cristina: There's a lot of lines everywhere.

Jack: Is it plains? Is it a field? Is it a golf course? Is it a.

Cristina: It could be a golf course. I don't know. But there's a circle with two lines coming out of it. And then two lines come going over that line. But in the circle, I'm not sure what's in that circle. Is it trees? Can you tell what that's.

Jack: Yeah, I know what's in there.

Cristina: Are those trees, though?

Jack: No, I'm not answering that question yet.

Cristina: Not rocks? I don't know. And the two lines that are going out of the circle, there's something, some other type of path going through it. That. Not grass. Is it a road? It might be a road. I'm not sure.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But everything else. The lines that are in the grass don't look like road lines. Those are, like, I don't know, biker lines. Maybe someone made it with a machine. But, like, grass is still there. So it's been a while. There, the lines.

Jack: Okay. Yes.

Cristina: And that circle is not perfect. Like, it looks like it's cut up in one side of it. But I don't know if that relates to anything. Okay. And I don't know.

Jack: All right, now give me some theories.

Cristina: What do you think this is something related to UFOs?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a circle in a field.

Jack: Interesting. So it's a field.

Cristina: Maybe, but it's very plain. So maybe it's more like a fairy thing because they like to do it in planes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Circles and planes are fairy related.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what? Like that. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. Like what reference? What you're talking about fairies and planes.

Cristina: Yeah. Make circles, I think. And then they usually. What's in the middle of them? I don't know. It looks like trees to me.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Are we looking at it? Far away?

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: Is this far away? Are we far away from whatever object is in the middle of that circle?

Jack: Yes, we're very far away.

Cristina: So I can only imagine that it's trees, but there's something sticking out. A bunch of something. I guess it could be rocks. It could be one of those things where people put weird rocks, like the stone hedge. But I feel like it's still fairy related, not alien related. Especially if it's. I don't know. I don't know. There's something because, like, when it's alien related, there's nothing in the circle. It's just, whoa, a circle. And then. But because there's something in the middle that makes it also feel like it's more fairy related.

Jack: I like the pattern you're spotting here. I've never thought of this before. We have discussed many alien instances. All their things are very exact lines. There's never objects in them. That is correct. We've also discussed fairies to extensive, deep, extensive details.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they always have something in the middle, and it's usually a circle. You're totally right. I like all the things you're pointing out here.

Cristina: So. Am I even close?

Jack: What do you think it is? Three guesses. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Is that what they're called?

Jack: Or fairy trees. Okay, well, fairy trees are in the Isle of Man. Okay, go on.

Cristina: Okay. It's. So it could be a UFO circle. Anyway. Even if there's something there, like maybe things grew in there after a while. Anyway.

Jack: 100%. 100%. Like, what the h*** are we looking at? Right? They favor fields.

Cristina: And if it's just. If it's unrelated to either, then I don't know, a real nice, interesting gardening pattern.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's possible. I don't know why you'd want to talk about someone who did.

Jack: You are absolutely right about a lot of this.

Cristina: Stones.

Jack: Stonehenge.

Cristina: It was Stonehenge. That poor photo is Stonehenge.

Jack: That's photo Stonehenge. Think about everything you've spotted here that we are very informed in right now.

Cristina: So far, you can't even tell that there's stones.

Jack: Yes. That's not even the point. You spotted every. Everything that mattered about this. All the similarities, every f****** ounce of everything that mattered you saw in this image.

Cristina: It's very Bad image?

Jack: Very. It was important this. The distortion of this image mattered. I chose it intentionally because it was very small, and then expanding it made it very hard to see what was in the middle. So that you don't fixate on what was in the middle. I know how you work.

Cristina: That's so crazy, because you can't really tell. Yeah.

Jack: It looks like a blob of whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you noticed everything else that mattered about that, right?

Cristina: Those things matter, though.

Jack: Every bit of everything you spotted mattered. And a lot of these similarities are like, But the question is, how did we get here? Right.

Cristina: It's not fairies. It's fairies. The answer.

Jack: Well, let me answer the question.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do we get on this road to begin with?

Cristina: With the hole in America.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Or I guess even before that. If we're starting from the beginning.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It was that lady's house. Yeah.

Jack: We're just looking for distortions in space time.

Cristina: And you think there's a distortion here? There's stories about this place.

Jack: That's exactly what the landed me here. And that's what's throwing me off. Because then you look at it and then you're like, huh? Before I even read a story, I know who showed up here. I know what they saw, potentially just based on what I'm looking at.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. Give me some guesses and I guarantee you're gonna be on the nose of what the stories relate. Just looking at the shape of that. Give me one creature. Just make it an educated guess. Think about it. Don't go out of the blue based on what you're looking at. Make it one educated guess. Just one educated guess. You're going to be right. There's enough variation that fixates on this that you won't be wrong.

Cristina: I'm not sure what you mean.

Jack: One creature. One creature.

Cristina: The. Based on what you're looking at, creature and not fairies.

Jack: Not a fairy, but a creature that 100% you think could.

Cristina: Shadow Realm creature, or you're saying anything.

Jack: Anything you'd like. What comes to mind? What would show up? Whatever you want.

Cristina: Werewolves.

Jack: 100%. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know what.

Jack: So Stonehenge seems to be among the top 10 most active places that have ever existed. When I dive into what Stonehenge is, we're gonna be like, oh.

Cristina: Now more than just like what they say of like, it's a calendar in a way.

Jack: Okay, let's go straight to that. It's a calendar in a way.

Cristina: So. Yeah, that's enough of that.

Jack: Yeah. Calendar. That is the Sort of basic narrative we get. Right. That's the accepted narrative.

Cristina: You can see the passing of the seasons on certain points or something.

Jack: The light comes in between the sort of rock formations and that it works kind of like a clock, but for months at a time. And seasons. And that's it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a clock for months and seasons. Pretty basic, Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, it's still kind of complicated because it's so ancient to be doing that, but. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, a hundred percent. And that's really, really, really badass about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then I just gotta ask some basic questions. When you think about what it looks like, what does it look like?

Cristina: What does it look like?

Jack: What? Describe what Gates. Stonehenge.

Cristina: It looks like gates. They're gates.

Jack: Tell me the complicated nature of this. This is absurd, right? Just knowing what we know in general, why is it that we see this formation that's happening here? So now we got a close up look. Describe the current image we're hovering over. Describe what Stonehenge really looks like as we see it today.

Cristina: A bunch of stones. Two stones. Two long stones going up, one stone on top. Like a gate because there's like space in between each one. How many are there? Because there's one in the middle, one on the outside. And it looks like there could have been. There's a little bit in the middle too, but that could have just been the. The ones that were in the middle broken up. So because it looks like a lot of them are no longer there.

Jack: Here's a better angle directly from on top. And to show this is gonna be.

Cristina: A perfect circle like it was once upon a time.

Jack: Mm. Mm. Yes. Yes, it was.

Cristina: Why? Why don't they want to fix that? That's so cool.

Jack: They can't touch it. No, it's ancient.

Cristina: No, they should. They should definitely. Oh, my gosh. That's also part of it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because I thought they were all separate stone doors or whatever you want to call it. Man, I wish we knew what the middle part would have looked like. I'm guessing it would have been similar, but it's hard to tell now because it's. It's so. It's pretty gone. Just the outside layers more together.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Gates.

Jack: It looks like a bunch of gates put together.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So is that the case?

Cristina: Yes. No. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: You think it's a bunch of gates stacked together.

Cristina: But who would that be for the shadow realm?

Jack: There's observations that must be made about this in the first place.

Cristina: Like where's he located?

Jack: Fair enough. Let us go all the way to the beginning and talk some rough details. Right. First again seeking space anomalies and space time disturbances. We get here and I got here because I found a bunch of weird stories which we'll get into. But it led us to Salisbury Plain in Wiltshire, England. That's where Stonehenge is. Had you asked me where this was, I would have never in a million years known. I would have thought one of these random countries or people yodel or some s***, ya know. Okay, now make a random guess at when this was built. We're gonna start where it matters.

Cristina: Where did it start? I don't know. It has to really. It's. Sure. I'm sure it's related to the sea people somehow. But like I can't pinpoint it.

Jack: Put random year on it.

Cristina: The. The year Jesus was born.

Jack: That's the year one.

Cristina: Okay. Year one.

Jack: No, way longer ago. This is the year 3000 BC. Pretty holy s*** kind of amounts of time back. Yes, let's talk details. 72 stones fill the outer circle. In the complete version, if you fill it out and you create a design that is perfect and flawless without any stones missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: 72 stones fill the outside. It is in fact a full circle.

Cristina: Okay. Was the inside supposed to be the same though?

Jack: 15 arcs would form out of these 72 stones. That's two up one over every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 15 arcs will form the 16 sort of doorways. Like you said, they all look like gates. Yes, specifically like Shinto gates. They all have that same kind of flat top to very stable side entrances or whatever.

Cristina: This has to do with the Shadow Realm people. That's not my new guess, but. Okay, continue though, right?

Jack: Like there's something to it too specific going on here. Now, more importantly, and where my fixation rests, here where the most important. Again, why first? What the h***? Fifteen. I don't think those are games. Not the 15 on the outside. Right.

Cristina: What's in the middle?

Jack: In the middle there are five and those are not connected. The ones on the outside creating the sphere or not sphere, but circle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are all connected. They all share. Each one vertical shares two horizontal and that continues all the way around.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in the middle, each one arc is formed of three parts directly. They don't connect. They are set into a sort of horseshoe formation.

Cristina: Okay, and you said. How many of them are there?

Jack: Five would complete the sort of primary inside part.

Cristina: And that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. And then there's just an open space in the middle yes.

Jack: Now, do you remember what you saw in the other image I showed you? It was a circle. With what.

Cristina: The first image?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The very first image was a circle with two lines coming out of it.

Jack: Right. Is that something those two lines, they're important. That you saw were connecting. I mean, think about what you're looking at. Here's Stonehenge in the middle. There's a giant circle surrounding Stonehenge. There's two lines shooting right out of Stonehenge. I'll shrink this. Maybe you get a better view of what's going on.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Oh, wow. Stones. There's more gays.

Jack: Those two lines are engraved in the ground and those two lines connect directly to the river.

Cristina: What's for.

Jack: That's not the important part. It's not even that they line up and did they connect to the river. It's what they line up with. What they line up with the summer and winter solstices.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why people watch that when it happens. People just live stream.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Watch it.

Jack: Now let's think about this real quick because you know of something else that fits both the suits we're talking about right now?

Cristina: That's when the spirits are easily come out. Right. Is that it? I don't know. Close like.

Jack: Yes, close like. Do you remember something familiar directly connected the two solstices with two of them? Yes. I can give you the reminder if you need it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you can remember.

Cristina: It's not that what I said. No, it's relating to the two solstice. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, so if you remember, a long time ago, we were talking about El Castillo created by the earth gods, which is essentially a temple where the very entry of the temple is lined up with the autumn.

Cristina: But that was also because we thought it was a gate.

Jack: It was a gate. It was a gate to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And to Mount Cuff.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Think about the shape you saw and the fact that this one we're looking at is not lined up to autumn and spring, but rather to summer and winter. And it looks like a what?

Cristina: A pyramid?

Jack: Like a pyramid.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were talking about the other one. Oh, that. What does that look like?

Jack: Yes, the one we're talking about right now. The giant circle surrounding Stonehenge is very different than the sort of pyramid requirements to reach the Shadow Realm. Pyramids seem to reach the Shadow Realm. We see mountains, we see pyramids. The Shadow Realm. But circles seem to be associated with what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You were just talking about it. What the h*** do you mean fairies?

Cristina: Fairies. Okay.

Jack: Circles and fairies. I don't know why, but the geometry says circles and fairies and pyramids.

Cristina: In the shadow realm, pyramids and the.

Jack: Shadow pyramids always either connect to the shadow room or teleportation. Okay, we don't have pyramids leading us to the fairies. Okay, but circles always have the portals that take us to the fairies.

Cristina: Mm. But it doesn't take us to the fairies.

Jack: It takes the fairies to us. Yes, but it's a way. It's a doorway.

Cristina: Yes, but only for them.

Jack: Point is that we see fairies connected with circles and we see djinn connected with pyramids and diamonds and triangles and those kinds of shapes. Okay, so it's just a random pattern. I've been noticing, tossing that in there.

Cristina: Okay, but what about the circles we were seeing. Seeing in that farm?

Jack: Which farm?

Cristina: The farm with the circles that were moving around.

Jack: Yes, that's then when the question comes into play. Right.

Cristina: Because that had nothing to do with berries.

Jack: Well, we don't know that. Think about the fact that we saw both a square in the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which, when you funnel it becomes a pyramid and a circle. Both of them were at that ranch.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Yes. It wasn't one. It was both. A circle in a triangle.

Cristina: You think, together.

Jack: The same kind of sort of indentation in the ground.

Cristina: But it's different time periods. So it wasn't like they were hanging out at the same time together or anything.

Jack: It's just.

Cristina: It's the random.

Jack: It's the best spot to do it because of the activity there.

Cristina: Yeah, but this is. This is probably 100 fairy release.

Jack: This is 100 fairy.

Cristina: Okay, now or not 100.

Jack: I wouldn't say 100 fairy.

Cristina: Because other things pop up.

Jack: Everything pops up.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's a hot spot. Like the other things. The other locations.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: We've been talking about.

Jack: Yes, but what you gotta question is then why are there so many similarities? Right. We have the lineup with the solstices, but the opposite too. Instead of autumn and spring, it's winter and summer. So the deviation, immediately something changes. Yeah, because now we're not sharing the same solstices, but we're also not sharing where we're going. Something about that alignment connects directly to either the shadow realm or the fairy Elfame. Fascinating. Just a bit of information we've uncovered.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Some sort of something means that spring and autumn, Shadow, summer and winter. Elfame. I don't know how. No, I don't know what. How this connects. But that seems to be the case.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For whatever reason, very random observation. But throwing it out there, something we know now, maybe it'll connect in the future.

Cristina: Yeah, in the future.

Jack: You know, just saying it out loud. Maybe somebody tells us something. The message like, hey, what about the. What the.

Cristina: And then it's like, oh, how did we not notice?

Jack: How do we not notice? So something about lining up does matter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have to line up with the sun, the way the sun is tossing energy in your way. And how you're using the energy creates some sort of a riff.

Cristina: Yes, but the sun is just very powerful thing that everyone's figured out how to use. Besides us.

Jack: Besides us.

Cristina: I mean, we're figuring it out, but, like, we're not. Like, compared to the Egyptians in the ancient time with their pyramids, like, come on.

Jack: Yeah. No, we're definitely kind of whack. But maybe they took this long.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't know. Like, it's. We don't know at what point they were at what. And, like, also, all of them got cheated. They got extra. Not cheated. But they got to cheat.

Cristina: They got to cheat.

Jack: Yeah, we can't compete with that. They got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They themselves are like, oh, yeah, they. Something helped us. Yeah, like, come on, bro. What's helping us? But then again, everybody feel like, oh, we're taking technology from the aliens.

Cristina: Yes, we are cheating too.

Jack: Then we suck.

Cristina: Then we thought, yeah, if everyone cheated.

Jack: Guys, look, let's say we're not cheating and we're doing it all on our own. Let's just. Let's take that credit. Because we have to say we're cheating. Yeah, if we gotta say we're cheating, we're bad about cheating. Come on, man. Come on, man. If we're just bad, then we're not bad. We're amazing. We're doing it on our own.

Cristina: We are really good. Because it's not us. It's these people who are good at hiding it. Like, we know there's the technology that people have that are teleportation. We know that's there. We have. We don't have it. But there's humans that do have it.

Jack: That we came up with.

Cristina: Those humans came, like, in the farm. They figured it out in the farm. Yeah, Scientists. They're humans who can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Without the question is without alien help.

Cristina: Well, with alien help by, like, they were investigating the weirdness, and that helped them.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. That's usually how it goes. Right? It's science.

Cristina: And now they can live in space and we have no idea about it because we're not one of them.

Jack: That's f****** nuts. Right? The fact that they. Oh man. It's so nut. But this is kind of the same s***. Right? This is just way up there.

Cristina: Tech. Yes.

Jack: And then here's the thing. Here's the f****** thing. That's craziest. We've heard a thousand times that technology sufficiently enough advanced just seems like magic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: God. Could that not be more true the more you dig deep. This just looks like lines in the freaking. But think about everything. This is a transmutation circle of sorts. That's all it is. It's channeling energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that energy is lined up with the solstices. We've seen this before. El Castillo has the stairs completely lined up with the doorway in a slightly variation. Open so that it's tighter towards the door, more open towards the base. And then the walkway itself continues that expansion. Then has a little bubble and then spreads out. So it is self is in the form of a transmutation. The field that they designed around it. Transmutation.

Cristina: And the steps are weird too, aren't they? Like they're really big or something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All of it for humans.

Jack: Yeah. The steps are abnormally large and in odd patterns. It's like everything is designed with these sort of geometric shapes in mind. All of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But when it's a gate or you go somewhere that already has a shape. Someplace tall enough that already has a very triangular shape.

Cristina: Talk about a mountain.

Jack: A mountain. How would you compensate for the mountain if you wanted to make a fairy gate? Because now we can differentiate. We know what a shadow gate looks like. It's some sort of a Shinto fairy gate.

Cristina: I guess so. But like the one in the house. What did that one look like? If we can picture what the inside of the house looked like.

Jack: It was. There's. That's the most f***** problem. We have no idea which side she was inviting in. We assumed Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: But it could have been either or and both. Because there was no description to anything. It was an empty room. There was just a little shrine area in the corner. And the hooks. That's it. Nothing more. No description. I have no idea what she could have been doing. But the house itself was a giant shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In this same case. It's the same idea. It's a bunch of structure surrounding some kind of more important center. Like the seance room. This pattern representing itself again. And it looks too obviously like a gate here though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But now 15 doorways. I don't think they were doorways. Maybe something else, some help channeling.

Cristina: But five doorways?

Jack: At least five doors. That brings up a problem. Why five doorways?

Cristina: So, okay, you think it should just be one doorway?

Jack: It should be three. Well, it should be two, depending on where you are. Unless it's multiple doorways, the same realms. It's not like a realm doorway as much as it is like, well, that one goes to the Shadow Realm here. That one goes to Shadow over there. That one goes to Elfame. Those two go to other parts of Earth Realm, you know, because there's five and you're already in earthrealm. Do you see? Okay, so there's five destinations. You'd only have two other realms to go to. So they aren't realm portals directly. Unless they are they, you know, more than one repetition. It could just be like Mount Kaf goes here, and this is Mount Olympus and this is Athos.

Cristina: That's if it's ferry related. It has more to do with what's on the other side. Like, they're not all coming here through the same place.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Well, the people that are living in the ferry place, if the humans there, I guess. Humans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're not in. Why are they going through one gate into here? Wouldn't they go like a bunch of different places? Like, I don't know, like if you and a friend from Korea want to take a gate to, I don't know, gta. You just. You, you do it where you're at, but you still meet in the same spot.

Jack: I understand what you mean. I understand what you mean. So she's Korea, I'm here. We both go in through our gates and we're going to like, Las Vegas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we both just pop up in Las Vegas. But there's two different doorways. So there's the Korea doorway and there's my doorway.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I don't know what the Parry world works like, but, like, if it's.

Jack: Like that, if it's another layer, then yes. And what this is showing us is that that argument holds more water. Because why can't they just pop up? Why do you need a door? We need a door to get to you. Why do you have a you made door? You wouldn't need to make a door.

Cristina: Well, they've always needed a way in.

Jack: Which also explains the seeing of the. Because we already know that there are the fairy forts that are made by fairies, which have the grass, the trees, circles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one tree in the center, it's a wall. Of trees. Perfectly. Then an empty grove in the middle with one tree in the center. And all of them look identical. And then the Mad Maid fairy forts that we just craft around an empty field. And then boom, a tree shows up in the middle following the same idea.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think they need something to get.

Jack: They've always needed some sort of a path. Which means they can't just hit a button and show up.

Cristina: But whatever they. When they do make a path here, there's no way for us to use that path. Which besides the necromancers, who's figured out. But they really can't go in it either. They just.

Jack: They have another way.

Cristina: They have another way.

Jack: Yeah, but here is the thing. Think about what you just described and tell me how is that any different than a Shinto gate?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: From over there, you can come over here. What happens if you walk in through a Shinto gate on this side?

Cristina: Go to Shadow?

Jack: Since when?

Cristina: Oh, not us.

Jack: No, Nobody. Nobody goes in through a Shinto gate and goes to the Shadow Room. It's a one way gate.

Cristina: It's a one way gate too. Yes, that's true. Okay.

Jack: They're both just one way gate. So you can only come from that side, this way. You can't go from this way, that side.

Cristina: Well, they may. They maybe can.

Jack: As far as we know, we can't go through it.

Cristina: Yes, but they could probably use those gates back.

Jack: Yeah, but I was only kind of answering to the fact that you said it looks like a one way gate.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So.

Jack: Yeah, I could totally. Yeah. I don't know if you want to argue your own point. Sure. Yeah. My point was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it is a one way gate, how is that any less one way than a Shadow Realm gate where they can only come in?

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know. Yeah. It's exactly the same idea. So there's too many similarities here to ignore. Now let's break apart some of these details. Other than the size and the fact that we got five doorways, which brings up a thousand questions. I hope it's more than one destination in the same realm. Because then I'm confused about. Then what the h*** are the other three doorways? Because, okay. Elfame and Shadow. And then what were the Norse people closer to it? And it was closer to seven. They had five or seven or nine.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If there are two doorways that are purely different destinations and the other three are supposed to be different destinations, then. Holy. But again, it could most likely just be like Earthrealm Destination 1, Earthrealm Destination 2, and Shadow Realm Destination 1, Shadow Realm Destination 2, and Alfame. Or all elfame destinations. You know, it could just be whatever. Who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. And be impossible to know.

Jack: Yeah. The lines coming from the structure, the ones lined up with the solstice, are called the avenue.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just giving that information if you feel it's relevant. It consists of groves and connecting lines, and they connect to the nearby river near Stonehenge. Now, where I landed here initially was looking for disturbances and things. I did find weird disturbances and things. And you dive into these reported oddities. You would find reported oddities very quickly. This is when temperatures drop suddenly in climate. You just go ahead and go into the Weather Channel, find a location just like, okay, where. Where have there been abnormal spikes that you guys have been like, huh? And then there'll be weird registrations, and you can like, oh, what year was this? Or whatever. Now, when you do that, you can find consistent spots of weird kind of activity like that. And then if you go and find. Sometimes it's nothing. 99% of the time, it's nothing. It's like, well, you're in a weird hole that you can't really tell in the map. And so wind always works this way here. And so there's an updraft that always sends all the hot air up, and then this causes all the cold air down. So it's abnormally cold here always.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. But sometimes you're in a place where that shouldn't be happening. Like a giant empty field in the middle of nowhere. There should be no cold air just suddenly collecting different than the surrounding areas.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So when that does happen, maybe you.

Cristina: Look into it and also what's happening.

Jack: Yeah. And so you look into the fact that, like, holy. So this place is just a giant cold spot place, and it's already Stonehenge.

Cristina: That's pretty strange.

Jack: I got here through the cold, and then I'm like, holy. Really?

Cristina: No, we got there through the cold.

Jack: I got there through the cold. I wasn't like, oh, Stonehenge. How weird is this place? It's like, it's Stonehenge, and we're just weird people who. It was probably really easy to build, and we're just like, What a mystery. Except, d***. Okay. Like, everything was justified the deeper you dig. Yeah, fair enough. Everybody was right. It's weird. Weird. It's strange.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I was hypocrite. I'm like, everybody's an idiot and easily Impressed. And we could have probably built this easily. It was like definitely. It's not about that. We could have definitely 1000% have built it. That's not the point. It's what it looks like, where it is and why. That's where it's like, oh f***. Yeah, we could have built it. But why did we build it? Why, why did we built it? So the legends that got me here initially there was a story about the devil that bought these stones from a woman.

Cristina: The devil somewhere.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That bought these stones from a woman and he bought the stones in Ireland and he brought these stones from Ireland and he took these stones and he placed them here and he was to humiliate the woman. Salisbury Plains, by the way, is the part in England where it is Salisbury Plains in England. So he puts them there, positions him and he's like, hahaha, nobody's ever gonna know why these are here. Yeah, she's never gonna, she's gonna tell everybody. Oh, he tricks me and he put them there and nobody's ever gonna believe her. And the people who do find these are never gonna know why they're here and it's gonna be ridiculous. And hahaha. That's like a real folklore story. I don't understand sort of the premise of it, but yeah, like, the devil tricked her. It's probably some sort of like money moral story. Don't give your money to the devil because going to humiliate you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or some like that.

Cristina: That works. Sure.

Jack: Now, dancing stones, there were some ballerinas or something. Giants. Because of the area where. And keep in mind the area we're talking about is England. So we're right next to Ireland, right next to like the northern part of Europe where we're getting like weird fringe and like we got the, the Vikings up there and crap like that. So giants. Giants.

Cristina: Do they mean giants as in giant giants?

Jack: They mean tall giants. Not as the right. Nephilim. Giants.

Cristina: Okay, just checking.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But also Nephilim were huge too. That they could be both sizes according to some. So whatever the case might be. But giants the words.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so that these stones were actually giant ballerinas dancing that had been petrified suddenly. And so that's what it looks like. They were in the middle of choreography.

Cristina: And then something just scared them.

Jack: Something not scared them, petrified. Turn them to stone.

Cristina: Turn them to stone. Oh, okay. Was it Medusa? Okay.

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: What a weird story.

Jack: Another story is that they were placed there by deities or something and had Healing properties, you know, basically.

Cristina: I'm sure. Sure.

Jack: That's the obvious one, right? Yeah, I see. I like. I don't like the duh. But then I came across a sentence where I was like, okay, because. Because that. To that point, I'm like, okay, maybe there's cold spots and stone change, but.

Cristina: Like, there's nothing there.

Jack: This is stupid. Yeah. Like, it's getting pretty dumb. There's nothing. And you look at these stories deeper, you dive into any of them, and it's like, you guys are crazy. There's no basis here for anything. It doesn't connect anything. It doesn't make sense. It's nonsense. It's nonsense. It's legit folklore.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Until the title of one story, I didn't even have to jump into story yet. It said the fairy Stone, which just justified so many things I already had in my mind.

Cristina: The Fairy Stone.

Jack: Yeah. I already looked at these and I'm like, I see what this is. And I'm already like, yeah, exactly. And I'm like, this circle. Huh? I see what this is. I see a gate. I see fairies, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's all there. I see weird things. And then this person's like, the Fairy Stone.

Cristina: I'm like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah. Okay, but say more interesting.

Jack: So this local legend was basically that fairies built this place, and it literally. Literally. The legend is not me adding any sauce to this, that it serves as a portal to the fairy realm and other realms.

Cristina: And other realms.

Jack: Yeah. But okay, it's. It could just be multiple destinations in one room. It doesn't say each story is a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm thinking that's exactly what we thought, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's crazy.

Jack: Now this 100% serves the fact that people have seen the weirdest s*** here too.

Cristina: Bigfoot, I don't know. Like what?

Jack: No, like werewolves.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: But when you see a werewolf in the middle of nowhere, you're not really seeing a werewolf. You're seeing something that kind of looks like a werewolf. You're seeing, like, a wet shudder and dingo, you know, it's the spot where you would see that, which the theory is, then something must have happened here longer ago from this point that made this the viable spot for this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It must be so long ago that it predates any of our ability to track recorded records and that we have to find, like, tracking down the Aliasians and, like, finding out about Loi Shreds. A little tiny sliver of a mention somewhere Must exist. About that, about this spot. Something must have happened here.

Cristina: It was what it is. Before the stones.

Jack: Yes, before the stones. And we're talking that you guys have a area that seems to connect to multiple points from one place. The amount of entered. There must be something. There must be a lot of some things in shred. Just a tiny sliver. But a thousand times, because enough people would have known about however much death took place to make that work. I believe that's trackable. I believe that must be incredibly trackable. We just don't have this, the context of philosophy, the sort of thought tools to be like, if I see it here, then I can apply that logic over there. But you have five portals in one location that go to different destiny. It doesn't matter how many. They could all be on Earth. You have five portals in one destination. Bare minimum. If every doorway is a portal, how many people died to make it work?

Cristina: How many people died?

Jack: Do you see why it couldn't be? I don't think it could be. I don't think they could all be doorways. And also like, what?

Cristina: No, it couldn't be.

Jack: There must be some channeling nature to them.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know how, but like.

Jack: Because they're also connected. There's something weird there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't understand the design for that.

Cristina: But it makes sense in the way that the house makes sense. Like she did so much crazy things that look like nonsense. But it made it work. We don't need to know what it is, but obviously it takes a lot of whatever.

Jack: Yes, it's random things we know about this place. It only works twice a year.

Cristina: What do you mean works?

Jack: It only works. These gates only work twice a year.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: During autumn, during summer solstice and during winter solstice. Yeah, so that's an interesting point. It's null and void, easy to keep track of if you have enemies on the other side. Only once a year do you post anybody to watch, you know, trade happens only once a year. Is this a hotspot? Which brings up an interesting point. It is suggested that it is also a trade center. It has resemblances to other trade centers from other cultures. So that it is a trade center of sorts. Now, if we had people from the Shadow Realm trading with people from Earth Realm. Oh, were we also trading with people from Elfame? Because if we're finding that they need gates and we are finding evidence here and there scarcely that maybe they are just another layer. They might be higher up than us, but they are still equal.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't know. I always imagine that there's so much above.

Jack: Well, they wouldn't trade with us per se as much as like, volition. The Alicians do you see?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: And then military action makes a lot of sense, which then takes into account that what we are interpreting as Firewalls. Yes, firewalls. But even within our own discussion, the firewalls are soldiers of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And like. Well, the Alicians are a problem and they have other military. Just like in current day, for us, we have enemies and we position ourselves tactically around them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, you move weird, we move weirder. So don't move weird. Look at where we are. Maybe that's really the move here when we. Because think about. We know the story very vividly. There starts to be a move, a push towards the Jesus project. And suddenly the people of Elfhame show up and the elves are like, okay, our job has begun. You know, as soon as Alexander begins his role. And we start seeing the motions from Jehovah and we start to see the parts in motion to kind of create Jesus, which is about 150 to 200 years. Alexander starts about 300 years back. That's the same time the way Hermes is starting to kick up his whatever, most important project.

Cristina: When do we see the fairies?

Jack: The fairies start about 300 years, which is the same point we get to Alexander. That's coinciding. That was the most important point of that episode. But it just so all happens to line up there.

Jack: Maybe it was. Oh, f***. They started to move weird. Mobilize the soldiers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, the people of Elfame started to do whatever, you know, their nuclear project has begun. Okay. Let's make sure they know where we're. That we're here. So, you know, put some elves here, put some elves there, put some elves over here and they'll know. Make sure all their people are in check so that they remember who we are.

Cristina: Yes, but not us.

Jack: Not us. The people from Elfhame. Specifically, Mab. Giving directions.

Cristina: No, I'm saying, like, they're not watching over us. The humans here, we're watching over.

Jack: They're watching the people of Elfame. Yeah, the elves are watching the people of Elfhame.

Cristina: The elves are watching the people from Elfhame.

Jack: Yeah. Trying to keep them in check. Or that was a point.

Cristina: Alfame is where they go.

Jack: I mean, my bad. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My Bad. The elves are watching the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: The elves were watching the Elysians. That's what I meant to say.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So their whole purpose was that they.

Cristina: Come and watch, they sing the weird.

Jack: Stuff, and then Jesus, they see that the Elysians start the ball rolling for the Jesus Christ project. That really got out of hand to begin with for everybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which, like, fair. Okay, let's give Mab some credit if the image that's building is accurate. The same way that we give Jehovah credit for telling Lucifer, like, calm the f*** down. You're gonna kill them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That same logic is ultimately what Mabsaw. And we're gonna say that Jehovah was so cocky, he thought he was equal the same way Lucifer did.

Cristina: Oh, right. Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah's sin is the same sin that he judged Lucifer for. I know. Just as much. But, like, d***, dude. Ma' am saw it coming, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She was trying to stop it, and now here we are. Jesus is out there. You did it. Yeah, she tried.

Cristina: And the days are coming, and he's gonna come back, and. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: She knew you'd start the apocalypse, homie. Yeah, she knew. And you're like, nah, Lucifer's gonna do it. And it's like, nah. She's like, nah, you're gonna do it.

Cristina: And he did it.

Jack: Funny enough, all the evidence tells us that she somehow ended up in the creation of everything beneath her by creating Yalda, who then created everything beneath him. So, like, that's her fault. Whatever is gonna end her universe, too, is her fault.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And somebody up there was like, don't do this. This is stupid. You're gonna kill us all. And then she did anyways, and now she's trying to control it in her.

Cristina: Creature, her creations created something. Who created something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's gonna destroy it all.

Jack: Yeah. It's nobody's fault, but everybody's fault.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. This is ultimately what's happening.

Cristina: Turtles all the way down.

Jack: It turtles all the way down. It always turtles all the f****** way down. It's absurd. It's so absurd that we. It doesn't matter where we look, if you have the context to look. So I'm gonna give you the details that don't matter because the puzzle was too obvious. Seeing the shape from the outside.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're too informed. We looked at it. We're like, I know what this is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We both saw the same f****** thing. You didn't need s*** else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just saw the circle in the field. You're like fairies and you're like, the gate. That's a gate. That's only a gate. And then I tell you it's 3,000 years earlier and you're like, oh, it's just a primitive version of the same thing. That one's made of stone and this one is made of poles. It's the same f****** thing. Time changed how it looked. Yeah, that's it. That means Jesus didn't invent the gate. Point number one.

Cristina: No, he was taught about the gate, I think.

Jack: By who? Because he taught a bunch of people a bunch of random s***. You're totally right.

Cristina: That's how I know about the stones in the shadow realm, man.

Jack: He has a rat in there.

Cristina: I don't. I has to be. It has. It was too, too easy. I understand he's probably like Santa Claus that he can sense things, but d***. But like day and a half easy.

Jack: A day and a half in a jumbled mess. Get the out of here now. Dude, it's too easy. He showed up on the other side and somebody's like, follow me, I'll show you. Yes, I would love to see the movie on that. That must be the most epic movie. Jesus, right? Just pops up. He just experienced the movie begins at the most horrible moment of the crucifixion. Great scene, right? Super dark, super horrible. Maybe like five minutes of it happening. Super horror. And then he dies. And then darkness. We hear crying in the background. Whatever, you know, old Israeli music or whatever is gonna kick in. And then a heartbeat. And then. And then he just like, he starts to panic. And then he opens his eyes and. Okay, now he's. He's looking around. He's looking around. Then he just sees something. A. Something's there. He doesn't know what the f*** it is. Kind of looks like a person. Kind of looks like a silhouette. He can't make out what it is. Shadowy looking, like, what. What is this ambiguous thing? And that person Sundays, we have two days. Follow me. Best intro ever.

Cristina: I don't know if the time works the same over there either.

Jack: Exactly. Oh, my God. Maybe it's less. Maybe it's more. No, it's probably more. Who knows? You're totally right. He could have been over there for a super long time.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know.

Jack: Crazy a** adventure.

Cristina: It's just here. It was two days.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, I never thought about that. Interesting. I like that. Yeah, because it is weird over there.

Cristina: It's weird. So we don't know. And also he Got those stones. Too easy.

Jack: Too easy. Could have been forever. Had to be.

Cristina: Right now he's working with the shadow realm creatures. Like, there has to be a leader that decided this was a good idea.

Jack: Did it Safer to work with Jesus. Yeah, I don't even know. Anyways. Anyways. Going through a bunch of crap. Weirdly enough, I do find a direct mention to this in text. Weird. So in 1136 AD, a man named Geoffrey of Monmouth claimed be very ready for the following sentence. Because this is the trippiest part. This confuses the entire plot that we've devised here because what he says is too on the nose. And then it's like, oh, s***. He specifically and literally puts into writing what? Merlin did this. He did this thousands of years ago. He constructed Stonehenge. Literally, it goes. He constructs the stonehead hundreds of years prior by transporting stones collected near and in Ireland to where they rest now. Now, there's too much accurate information going on there. There's too much accurate information with the devil story.

Cristina: And because I could have been like, fairy, like, talking crap about him.

Jack: Yes. You see the painting that they immediately made, the devil now suddenly made sense because of how they like the twist stories.

Cristina: Yeah. He could have stolen those. He stole those stones from fairies.

Jack: Now, locations tells you everything you need to know. Where did the stones come from? Ireland. And where?

Cristina: I already missed it. What did you say?

Jack: The sentence specifically said shocking. Ireland and places near Ireland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That tells us one important, important location, which is the Isle of Man.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Where this fairy garden is, I guess. I don't know what to call it.

Jack: Necromancer built a portal. The power of a fairy portal. That's what we're seeing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He built a monstrously colossal, incredibly intricate, complicated portal that works to access fairy locations. I don't know. And I don't think it could access shadow realm locations because of the rule that seems to happen naturally that we're observing where all of the shadow realm connections. But our one and only fairy realm connection doesn't have a pyramid in f****** sight.

Cristina: I don't think he has the ability to travel the fairy world because as far as we know, necromancers can travel easily. Easily. But like, they're not in the ferry. They're using it somehow to travel here. Easily.

Jack: Yes. The point, there's a way that they're moving through that space.

Cristina: Yes. So then those would be his portals to probably go into other places here.

Jack: Unless those are his portals to literally go into there while he has other ways to move through again. If this turns out to be just another layer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what we're thinking is a satellite could literally be him literally being there.

Cristina: In the fairy world.

Jack: In the fairy world, like necromancers are actually getting there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because they're another layers or not some inaccessible other location. If they are just another physical layer to us at. And they know how to do that. And the story is a necromancer called Merlin, hundreds of years prior to the writing of the moment, according to the writing, built Stonehenge with stones stolen from fairies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is kind of heavily on the nose. I could have guessed half of the story had you asked me, you know, like, that's how on point this is.

Cristina: Yeah. That's kind of crazy.

Jack: If you told me where I'd go find some fairy stones, I would instantaneously say somewhere near Ireland.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: It would have to be the Isle of Man or some kind of place along the coast. The end.

Cristina: Ridiculous. That's great. This is a crazy story.

Jack: This s*** is so on the nose.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I was kind of blown away by that. And. Yeah. So look, this is another one of those scenarios where there isn't any one thing literally saying that, but all the.

Cristina: Individual parts are like, definitely that.

Jack: Like, what the f*** else could it be?

Cristina: What else could it be? I think that's it.

Jack: Yeah. It's just very old and withered and not used. Or maybe it works at this point, but people go there at the point nothing happens.

Cristina: Well, they wouldn't be able to do anything. Like it would take one of him to. To use it. Like it probably does work.

Jack: How do we know people have been there during the solstice and it does nothing.

Cristina: Why would it do something for them?

Jack: Well, it's possible this is more than just a one way gate. I don't know if it is. Maybe it is that somehow there's just. But there must be a gate that must be one way from here out to somewhere. And if you put two of those next to each other.

Cristina: But you still need to have the knowledge of necromancers.

Jack: Yeah, but so you built it and then what? You don't. You need the knowledge of a necromancer to activate it too?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Fair enough. That could totally be the case. But if you look at this image, you'll notice that there's a bunch of little details that are no longer present. On top of the fact that most of the structure, the outer circle, is broken at Stonehenge.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Do you see? I believe that if this is in fact the transmutation circle. We're looking at a broken transmutation circle. The reason it doesn't work is because it can't channel the energy. It's broken.

Cristina: Okay. And they're never going to fix it because they can't.

Jack: They can't fix it. If they do, then they're ruining this relic. They would have to try to replicate the design elsewhere and see if they can get its function going, which includes all of these small little details made of something called bluestone.

Cristina: What is blue stone?

Jack: It's a kind of stone.

Cristina: Where is that from? Is that from Ireland or something nearby, like those other.

Jack: All the stones are from nearby? Yeah, they're all from like Ireland and like local areas. The whole structure was made like that. But then there's a bunch of different things. Look at north barrel, look at the south barrow. There's a station stone. Station stone. It looked like it was a multi purpose device. There are many theories on what this in fact was. It's not just a calendar. As much as some people are like, oh yeah, it's some sort of energy channeling device or it's some sort of starscope or it's some sort of astrological measurement device or something like there's many. That's the point. It looks like it is all of it. Now let's end this on a very important note. All the stones that are horizontal and all the stones that are little circular ones on the outside are lined up with stars. All of them.

Cristina: You think teleportation to space then?

Jack: Teleportation. Not just the different realms. I think there's five gates. And if one would go to like Mount Ka, and if one would go to somewhere in the shadow realm that El Castillo connected to, then you have three destinations left, Right? That's one in Earth realm, one in Shadow realm. So then you say one wherever the Egyptians went to that somehow people are still connecting to space. Yeah, that's somewhere else. And one wherever the Mayans went to underground and one wherever the Alicians went to.

Cristina: No way. Maybe, I guess. I mean, it's. It's a necromancer. They can do whatever.

Jack: Do whatever. All these, these are just random suggestions, right? They could be any. You could assign any random 5. If a necromancer built this, which is.

Cristina: The accusation, which makes a little sense. I don't know.

Jack: I think that makes the most sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, then you got these five doorways. What five evened out things could we assign to those? They must go to five sort of equal places. And if it's realms, then we'd only have two, because you're already in one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless there's repetition doesn't matter. And if repetition doesn't matter, we can have that many doorways, we can have every single one of those doorways could actually be one. Maybe they make total sense. You know, maybe it's like three next to each other. Like, this one goes to that part, or if that one goes to this part Earth, this one goes to that part Earth. And those four over there in a row are all the Shadow Realm. Those seven are this place. And this goes. You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Could easily be something like that. And in the case like that, if, let's say a person from Nordic background walked really, really far, landed in this place, and was explained that. Well, this one goes to some people who live underwater. And this one goes to some people who are really good working underground. And this one goes to some people who are really good at working in the skies. Oh, and also the people from the skies work with really good energy, and the people over here work with really great genetics and the people over there. And so you start to explain this system. And slowly but surely, this Nordic person is like, those three are up, but they're different kinds of up. That's down.

Cristina: Saying that's what made their legends.

Jack: It kind of starts to paint an interesting picture. Right.

Cristina: But how many do they have? Don't they have 7?

Jack: 5? 7 or 9?

Cristina: 5, 7 or 9. Oh.

Jack: Depending on which branch of their tradition. You pull from five, seven or nine.

Cristina: But it's impossible to tell what's the original.

Jack: Yeah. And here we have five, which is one of those.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just throwing, you know, spitballing the way we do. Love just so happens to fit many suits.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I think it's 90% at least. Definitely. It's 100% a gate territory. That's not a question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where it goes very related is like 90% the question or the answer. Most likely.

Cristina: Most likely. I would say most likely.

Jack: That's about it. It doesn't seem that there's no. Is the first instance of gates and no associations. Like it's Auto Mountain or some s***.

Cristina: But related to Merlin, man.

Jack: That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's a weird one.

Jack: But also he seems kind of op.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And this is way before whatever mess.

Cristina: He was in with author.

Jack: Yeah. This dude said, thousands of years ago, this guy made this s***. It's like, whoa, whoa, wait. How do you know Merlin that well, bro? How do you know thousands of years ago.

Cristina: Are there more Moreland stories? Because I thought author was the Merlin story.

Jack: You know what's weird? I have seen, like two or three that are allegedly taking place before. I'm like, okay, so he must be some older legend that got tangled up and turned into Merlin, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah. So if we follow that, I bet that guy's named Hermes somewhere.

Cristina: No. What if they all go back to.

Jack: Hermes where he's a student, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or I could trace the line back and he's like, at the Aristotle school.

Cristina: We'll find out that they're all Hermes except for the one student, which is Jesus.

Jack: Yes, that be. That would. That would make so much sense.

Cristina: I would.

Jack: That's the most possible story. It's either a bunch of necromancers that we're slowly gonna uncover. Or two.

Cristina: Or two.

Jack: Or two. The guy who made it and guy who perfected it.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Anyways.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: This has been Stonehenge, people. This is what I found. All the shapes and weird. Interesting. I didn't focus on those stories as much. Again, there were stories. There were many ghost stories. The basic stories. If you guys want a quick brush up. There's a lot of stories about, you know, phantasms, cold spots. There are again, many werewolves. There are vampire stories that take place there. People visiting it and, like, passing out and having blank marks and blah, blah, blah. From, like, many years ago. Yeah, thousands of years. Not thousands, hundreds of years ago. Medieval times, specifically.

Cristina: Many years ago is fine.

Jack: Yeah, long ago. There is recurring voices. There are moving shadows. But all of this just fits the suit of a place with high disturbances.

Cristina: Yes. Any time disturbances, though? You never mentioned that.

Jack: No. So interesting enough, there doesn't seem to be any other than echoes of people. There doesn't seem people slipping in and out of time. People being there for a couple of minutes and it seeming longer or being there really long and assuming a couple of minutes. Or seeing things that should be out of time moving around them. Other than what we would classify as a ghost echo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which are a plethora, every variation of every version of ghosts. And then what we would call phantasms and what we would call spirits, which are most likely just gin and creatures from the chaperone. All of those. Yes.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Time distortions. No. But based on paranormal activity in general, we have our suspected space time anomaly or disturbance, which then literally brought us to the right conclusion of something weird is going on here.

Cristina: Interesting. And then this place might relate to Merlin.

Jack: To Merlin. Of all people. It's interesting how we keep coming back to the same kind of.

Cristina: It's either him or Hermes. And if they're the same, that'd be funny.

Jack: That'd be funny. More names for the same guy. He just keeps doing it. Which would explain why Jesus did the same thing. And then it brings up an interesting point. That was loi training to be the same because there seems to be many people who took that name. Or is it just last name?

Cristina: I don't know. No, I think it's. No, I don't know. I don't know anymore. It might all be one person. I don't know. That's complicated.

Jack: Only one person has ever existed.

Cristina: It's three people. No, it's one person. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Anyways, if you guys have any information, hit us up on our socials and tell us what you discover on your searches to better information and understanding. And you can do that on all our socials at just convopod, on TikTok, on X, on Facebook, not on YouTube, but Instagram.

Cristina: And. Yeah. Whoa. That's crazy. I mean, they were, like, doing it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They just got tired of it.

Jack: Yeah. They slowly were like, let's not take one at a time.

Cristina: Take the whole thing. That's so wild. I took that so long. But. Okay, well, remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And Word of God mouth, it's very important to tell people that we're getting to the bottom and grounding the world's most absurd and baffling ideals.

Cristina: Very baffling.

Jack: Very.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: By. Okay, Random thing we just saw and noticed and thought about right as we ended.

Cristina: How we didn't notice. We were talking about it. We were so close to it. The. What is it? The Merlin gates and Jesus's Shinto gates. We're wondering who taught Jesus all of.

Jack: Everything, especially how he gets these gates.

Cristina: How he got these gates, how did Jesus do it?

Jack: And then we see that the Shinto gates are an identical design to Merlin's gates used at Stonehenge. Just a more primitive version at stonehenge, but about 3,000 years older.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Shock. I wonder who taught Jesus.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: Just tossing that at the end. Anyways, thanks for listening.

Cristina: Thank you. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 22, 2024

Rambling 278: Skinwalker Ranch

June 22, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What goes on at the Skinwalker Ranch? What are the stories of this place? Did the indigenous people of the region have anything to say about this place? The duo dive into the extremely active paranormal Skinwalker Ranch. A hotspot for all strange and unexplainable activity. The goal? To link the paranormal activity to high energy circumstances related to hermetic technology.

+Episode Details

Skinwalker Ranch
Paranormal Investigations
Aerospace Research
Secret Government Programs
The Sacred Ute Land
The Cursed Navajo Land
High Energy Technology

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, and we're in a new chapter in life. Finally, we got our way out of that to some degree, right? We.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like we went back.

Jack: No. You gotta understand that when it comes to the Elysian saga, we've entered the part of the Supernatural series. The show Supernatural. Cw guys, go watch Supernatural. It's really long. Don't watch it so long. You gotta commit to life. Watch it. It's so good, though.

Cristina: It's so good.

Jack: So good. It's like watching a Supernatural soap opera. There's a lot of brotherly drama. Oh, my emotions. Oh, you. You didn't stand by me, brother. Oh, but I'll do anything for you, brother. And like, I'll write or die, regardless of how evil you are. A lot of that going on. But soup. I don't even know what the. My point was.

Cristina: We are doing Supernatural stuff.

Jack: Oh, yeah. We're totally super. Oh, right. And we're in the part of like. So Supernatural goes through this sort of series of AR season one. They're hunting random little monsters to kind of get together with. We're getting familiar with what they do as the bigger story starts to evolve as all shows happen. But eventually enough seasons go by and everything is the big problem. So eventually going back to the first season style episodes, which will just be one episode here and one episode there, where they're just hunting small things is more exciting than the big story sometimes because you get to see what they were always doing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except now the world is always ending. And so, like, they can't just go hunt little things.

Cristina: The world is always ending.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: First season started with the world almost ending.

Jack: They didn't know the world was ending.

Cristina: They didn't know that the gates were going to be open or something.

Jack: No, that happened at the end of, like, season four or something.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: You're talking about. They're just trying to discover the first season. One was just finding their dad. They're like, wait, dad's missing? Where's dad? And then season two was like finding details about their mom and the yellow eyed demon, you know? Oh, no. I was way into it.

Cristina: I'm.

Jack: I'm totally. Anyways, we're in that part. We. The first season. Then there's the middle part, which is a bunch of filler. No, there's a bunch of actual world ending. Everything is world ending.

Cristina: There's no more filler episodes.

Jack: Filler ended. But occasionally in there, we'd have. Which we did. Occasionally. But eventually they're gonna get. They get to a point. Right. We're realistically in the real universe, not in a show's concept. You stop the big problem and you go back to the smaller s***. It's not just immediately another world ending. Like, what the f*** shows need to do that. But on average, you stop a colossal issue, and then you wait a million years, and then some other person has to deal with the next one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're in the real version of that. We're now we're done with the elisions, specifically. As far as we know, it might come up later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we have to jump on this road again. But as for now, Castiel and Crowley are doing their own mission. And later they're gonna be like, we got a tip. And we're gonna be like, oh, no, back to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But until then.

Cristina: Until then, we're ghost hunting.

Jack: We're hunting anything. Why ghost hunting?

Cristina: Supernatural hunting. Ghosts are supernatural.

Jack: Alien supernatural.

Cristina: No, that's sci fi.

Jack: Fair enough. So then why are we doing supernatural hunting?

Cristina: Because you said supernatural. You mentioned supernatural, that's all.

Jack: Oh, I said supernatural.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, I mentioned supernatural, the show. Oh, no, I was comparing the format of the show. Okay, yeah, fair enough. Fair enough. I was comparing just the format of the show to what we were doing. That there's a big issue and then a bunch of tiny little things in between. And then in the real world are probably just gonna solve the big issue or get to a dead end and then go do their job again until they get a tip or something. Because they're not just gonna sit. I mean, sure, they waste probably a bit trying to dig deeper and be like, no, there must be here. But eventually, long enough with no results passes. And they're like, sam, you gotta stop being obsessed. We have to move on and do some other thing and hunt the lady who's killing these people, who is not a big monster, but still killing people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sam's gotta be like, yeah, you know what? You're right. I can't be obsessed. But then some point of killing the ghost that's killing the people.

Cristina: You get a hint.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Oh, my God. Somehow disconnected. And the revelation happened like, what the. Your life is disconnected to everything. Yeah, of course, that's explained why it's the case or whatever later. But then watch the show you enjoy. Anyways, last week, because of essentially reaching a D, we came to an interesting series of information which connects in idea to what we were talking about, which is essentially the same concept of people running experiments and people trying to get to things. But what we discovered is that there's trackable residue of people trying to get.

Cristina: Into like, the shadow realm.

Jack: Not even just trying to get into the shot. It could be getting into the shadow realm. It could be making stones. Something causes a huge disturbance. Because making a philosopher's stone is essentially to some degree interacting with the shadow realm, then we never thought of it like that. No, but it is what is happening. Right. Because adrenochrome allows people to connect to the shadow realm. Okay, interesting. And a philosopher's stone is just adrenochrome solidified that you do not consume, so it doesn't affect the user, but it's. It's still itself made of adrenochrome. And adrenochrome itself is what connects to the shadow realm. Okay, so, interesting point. A philosopher's stone is in fact a tool to connect to the shadow realm. So it makes sense that disturbances would do so.

Cristina: It has to. It has to. That makes sense.

Jack: It's a fascinating piece of information that I didn't think about before. Anyways, last week we were investigating Sarah Lockwood.

Cristina: Her mysterious house.

Jack: In her mysterious, interesting house that seemed to be the ground zero for some sort of shadow realm investigation or some sort of philosopher's stone creation location. Although in her case, it seems specifically a portal is being built.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it doesn't look like she was sacrificing people. There wasn't stories of death.

Jack: No, no, no. But I'm saying that the subjects we're circling relate to because the fact that she's dealing with the shadow realm immediately connects her to the philosopher's stone. Even if she is not interacting with any of it, the philosopher's stone connects to the shadow realm. So we know if we find philosopher's stones or if we find portals, we might find these disturbances that we were talking about last week. Because both of them require so much energy.

Cristina: Yes. What exactly did she do to make a portal?

Jack: Don't know. We just know it was there. It was there and it was very minimalistic.

Cristina: Yes. And it had to do with a lot of math outside of itself.

Jack: Yes. It was a giant alchemic circle.

Cristina: Yeah, like, but I don't know, like, not even alchemic.

Jack: It was a hundred percent A. What do we call it? You know, a little drawn, whatever. I remember the name. Symbol. It's a symbol to channel energy.

Cristina: Okay. What she did with the house.

Jack: With the house. The house itself is the power source. But using no natural world energy. Well, no electrical energy. It's using and harnessing natural world energies, kinetic energy flow, those kinds of things in its design. Fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: And did it in such an intricate gradual way. And it had to be perfect. She refused to let people it up, put their ideas on the thing. No, you have to do it my way. When they didn't, she just kept it in herself. Yes, it was very important. But we believe this was to bring her family, people she loved and herself. Or at least there's two options here. Right. She either made it to come through, but it doesn't seem to be the case because they seem to be the what? A phantom. Right. We're making the distinction between ghosts and phantoms now. Ghost is purely echo. A phantom is like an echo, but it's an echo of a person present in the shadow realm. That's the distinction we're making, Right.

Cristina: Not repeating itself over and over like an echo.

Jack: It's not repeating itself over and over.

Cristina: Like, when people see her, she's doing random things. She's doing this, probably not doing like the barrel man who's just.

Jack: Yes, the barrel man is probably just the guy from the past. But this is what we have to clarify, right? There was definitely a huge energy disturbance that remains there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's the house somehow sustaining the disturbance. And the house is literally just in our interpretation of what we know and what the situation is. She built the house so that it makes sense in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that when she goes to the shadow realm and exists there, she has a home to live in and is protected from the horrors of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It's both a gateway, but it's also. It disturbs the time by doing that. I don't know why time somehow warps around.

Jack: Well, the trick here is she was at least familiar enough with the workings of the shadow realm to construct the house for herself on this end. That would be practical over there, instead of waiting to get over there and then constructing it over there. So even if the house itself wasn't a portal, she must have been able to come in and out in order to understand how the shadow realm works. So the house was a portal in to order in the construction of the house. So she must have been going in, understanding, coming back. Okay, if I do this, and I do That I go over there, modify like this, I do this, I do that. Which means another detail. This brings us right back to what I was talking about.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There's only one way she was crossing. If she had a portal and she didn't die first.

Cristina: Adrenal prone.

Jack: Right back. We're right back at the start because how is she sure you made the portal, but it's a one way portal. Unless. What? Unless you f****** had.

Cristina: She probably was feeding off her family. But like a vampire type of way with their fear.

Jack: Yes. You think she already died and brought her? That would make way more sense. Maybe she already had died, came back with adrenochrome and find yourself obligated to start preying on her sisters in order to sustain it. But then on this side starts crafting the home. Because now she's familiar with the other side.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it was a. I'm on damage control. And then it assists her. The intention at least would have been to have her family for generations and generations living in the house so she can continue feeding on them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Luckily it became a tourist attraction.

Cristina: Yeah. Now that's feeding it.

Jack: And it stops her from going crazy that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She built a Santa Claus esque situation that will continue to feed her. So she's the reason her ghost is now her spirit. Her phantom, specifically. Her phantom is the most prominent in the house of the apparitions. There. There's many ghosts that are echoes. There are many spirits that are entities that aren't her. And then there's a phantom that isn't even there but is an echo. Or what keeps her alive is these people. It worked out ultimately, even if it was her family she was trying to prey on. Fascinating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's so many ways to look at this one scenario. But it would. In order for this house to exist, which we didn't discuss last week. In order for a house to exist, it would have required adrenochrome. Because how does she know?

Cristina: How does she know?

Jack: How does she know how it's turning out? How did she know the parts are making sense? She couldn't. She had the sea.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

Jack: Or. But it doesn't look like it because it looked like it was very gradual. The narrative is very gradual. If she was a necromancer can just step through and didn't need anything, then the house also doesn't matter.

Cristina: She was having help from things. Things from the other side. Because she did have those hooks.

Jack: Yes, yes. You know, again, it's a weird portal like location.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she had a guest room. Yeah, that was the portal.

Cristina: Yeah. So like, she could have had some help from the other side as well.

Jack: Yeah, she could have.

Cristina: I mean, she's building a house by herself. That's kind of.

Jack: Additionally one of the most prominent things heard there, which we've. I mean, one of the most prominent things seen at that house is in fact, not seen. It's heard. And it's voices.

Cristina: Voices and footsteps.

Jack: Which when. Yes, which when we put it into reference, we know two other groups of people who are hearing voices. And these were important groups of people. We know the rabbi was hearing a voice from the other side with instructions on how to build and construct something. That's exactly what the rabbi was doing.

Cristina: This with the golem.

Jack: With the golem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And other than the rabbi, the other person who. The Viking who made the Forest of Death. Oh, and they were also getting spoken to, right? Yeah, they were getting spoken to by these creatures from somewhere. Giving them instructions on how to continue to make this place more profound.

Cristina: Yeah. So she was probably talking to something.

Jack: That was explaining to her what to do, what to do. She did say she was trying to please the spirits.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Oh, yes. Yeah. She was into seances.

Jack: Yeah. She called the room seance room.

Cristina: Okay. Yep. Okay. Okay. Yeah. She had to be talking to them.

Jack: And she built the house. Did she build the house for them or did she build the house for her? Because again, she's the most prominent. On the flip side, maybe she was just clever and duped them.

Cristina: And duped.

Jack: Yeah. They're over here thinking, oh, we got her. Meanwhile, the. According to visitors, the person who dominates is most prominent and in control of that facility is Sarah Lockwood. So whoever the these people who were taught in, at the end of the day, she ended up in charge. So the question is, was she always? And that was her goal. So even if she is getting information from the other side, she's smart enough. And this is why this lady is prominent in the background. And this is why so many other things we didn't know.

Cristina: It's a win win. Like she got a bunch benefits, but so did whatever that was helping her out.

Jack: She gets to stay and not lose her mind. After consuming adrenochrome and crossing over, they get the same benefit. Plus to sustain themselves on this side through the house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So everybody wants. Fair enough. It's mutual gain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nobody lost here. Her family gets to stay sane too. The ones who die and have consumed and can cross over, they get to also live there with her Forever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And by providing this, those creatures are also. But here's a problem again. It comes down to the fact that she seems the one in charge. Fair enough. She built it. Maybe they give it a respect. You. You fulfilled your duties to us. So we're not going to interfere. We're just going to with the humans on that side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're not going to f*** with you. This is your house. We're guests here. You built it. This is. Maybe that's the actual. Again. We know Jin the. Well, not just Jin anything who is thinking on the other side is still just a person. And like we do. We are a******* over here. And like we're species this and a realmist. I guess super realm is. And we're like gin and monsters and creatures. And it's like those are people, man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those are just people. There are creatures and monsters. But we got. We got grizzly bears. That's a real just f****** thing over here. I guess we have hippos. That's just real. And we're like oh my God. Wetchudge. You mean like an animal from over there?

Cristina: So pretty scary animal.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. 100. I agree. So was a T. Rex. And that was just some walking around.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, that's just some casual thing. Normal. It was many of it. It wasn't one T. Rex. There were millions of T. Rex. That was just real. If there was one T. Rex. Oh, Godzilla. It's a monster. It's specific. No, it was just casual. So we got to think of it. It. Okay, yeah, it might be super weird, serpentine looking building sized monster. But like if there's a billion over there, like I mean it quote monster. But it's like normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is weird. It does. It is horrifying. And I'm sure it's impressionable our first time over there in the shadow realm. Yeah. Because think of the descriptions of some of these things. Colossal, Godly. Something so huge you cannot see it. It's so big you cannot see it in front of you. You're seeing a tiny little fraction of it. What the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's just normal over there. So at some point I'm thinking, right, imagine if you saw something maybe 10 times bigger than the Freedom Tower while standing in front of the Freedom Tower.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But ten times in every direction. So it's not just up, but like collectively. Now how hard would it be to see this thing?

Cristina: Pretty hard.

Jack: Pretty hard. But you could see it and it's Definitely you can recognize something like that being alive. It's harder, but you can recognize something like that being alive as opposed to the Earth that you're standing on and you can't tell details on if you stand far enough. If you're in Jersey City looking at New York City, well, you can see the creature alive doing its normal day routine over there.

Cristina: It would be easier to see.

Jack: Yeah, you're far enough. Yeah, you'd have to be super far in space to see the Earth doing its same routine, but from Earth. So presumably in the shadow realm, we'd have this kind of angular. Okay, makes sense. It's crazy looking, but. Oh yeah, look at the Titans all the way over there and they're Titan City. Funny, it looks like there are slides, but if we were over there, I couldn't see them. Yeah, casual conversations they probably have. Okay, I think you're totally right. It was mutual benefit.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And yeah, I. Maybe again, they're just people. They could just be giving her the benefit of the doubt and the respect. Like you built us a. You didn't have to. We made a deal across realms. And then you paid your part for what most of your people think are douchebags and like monsters. We respect you for respecting us.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Easy, right? So, yeah, I think that was fascinating. And that opened an interesting door again. The fact that we have now come to the conclusion that we have, or. Which is with. With proof. Because looking at the disturbances led us to the discoveries. We now know that there are disturbance residue for the creation of philosopher stones and portals. Because they are bending space, time, or at least whatever quote thing unquote is happening. Whatever. We're bending the creator portal to a different realm.

Cristina: Yes, but that place was a hot spot before she got there. It just got worse.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So there could have been a stone made there. The stone is long gone.

Jack: That's what I believe is the case. Yes. Which was what we talked about last time. Something crazy happened there and then unknown what, but something happened there and then she came to harness the existing potential.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay.

Jack: So using that information that there are in fact signatures, we came to a pretty basic conclusion. We can either find more portals or more stones, even if they're not perfect people trying. It must exist throughout time because we found it. Other people. There must be more clever people who have found it and weren't good at it and f***** up and left left signatures that we can track. And as investigators, that is our job.

Cristina: That's our goal.

Jack: Okay, so let's Dive into what we're doing. I'm gonna show you some images and I just want you to tell me.

Cristina: What you're looking at. Oh, this game again. Okay.

Jack: Very, very basic. So let's unpack. Tell the listener.

Cristina: We'Re looking. We're out in the sky looking down at. I don't know, it's too far to see if those are buildings. I'm assuming there's some building.

Jack: Yeah, there's buildings.

Cristina: There's a road.

Jack: It's a satellite view.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because there's like circ. There's little dots, like lines across. Are they saying that's in a circle?

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, they're measuring the distance from one end to the other. The lines themselves matter less. It's sort of just telling you the perimeter that we're kind of looking at, really in the imaginary circle that it's forming. What do you see?

Cristina: I don't really see anything. Some trees, Some buildings.

Jack: Some trees. Some buildings.

Cristina: A lot of desert maybe. It's. It's really brown where the trees are not.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Very brown.

Jack: Very brown. Very dry. Yeah, this is a grassy area. It's dry grass.

Cristina: That's dry grass. Okay. It doesn't. I don't know. I really can't see anything. It's too far.

Jack: Yeah, it's very far. You can see huge trees. Look really tiny. Tiny ginormous buildings. Look very tiny.

Cristina: Yeah, I can't really see the buildings either.

Jack: You don't have to tell the details. You can't see make out what you do. Don't focus on what is hard to make out. There's a main road.

Cristina: There's a road. Yeah, I said that. I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing really. Little side streets sticking out.

Cristina: Some bushes, some trees. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, you got a little road over here. And it looks like perhaps maybe these are facilities looking a bit like a trailer park or something.

Cristina: It looks like rocks to me. I don't know.

Jack: You wouldn't be able to see rocks at this distance.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You could barely see trees. It would have to be a building.

Cristina: Oh, it doesn't look like anything to me. It looks like boxes over here.

Jack: It looks like. Yeah, boxes are definitely not natural structures. You can assume a box is a building. There's like this box over here is huge.

Cristina: That's a huge box.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a big a** building over here. It looks like there's a combination to the upper right of the image, there's a combination of a bunch of buildings and trees kind of tangled together. Maybe buildings hiding in shade. All right, let's go down to the next one.

Cristina: What are we looking at that's even worse? I think we see a giant hole. Is that a hole? Yes, very square hole. And inside that square hole is another square hole, I think. And it looks like it's right next to the building. Is that a building? I don't know.

Jack: Yes, these are buildings.

Cristina: It's hard to tell. I'm telling you what I see.

Jack: It's an infrared. Well, it's a heat. Yeah, it's. It's like infrared.

Cristina: It looks like they're buildings in a desert with a giant square. Ho.

Jack: You already know it's not a desert based on what you saw before, which. These are all the same place by the way. These are all one place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So based on what you're looking up here with all the trees and stuff, you know this is not a desert.

Cristina: What would you describe it as?

Jack: I don't know. What do you see? What, what pattern makes sense here? Where would you see this kind of structure on Earth? Look, that Earth.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean.

Jack: Like what is the only places on Earth that look with little sections and divisions in the grass and then have a center hub with a bunch of tinier facilities at a distance? Usually in grassy savannah ish lands the country?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I mean obviously it has to be in the countryside, but anyways, what else do you see in this sort of night vision photo?

Cristina: Buildings. I'm just really curious about the hole.

Jack: Yeah, they know about the hole. Already told them.

Cristina: I know. That's all I really see. That's interesting. There's. I think there's a line there. Is that a path?

Jack: You mean a street?

Cristina: A street, yeah.

Jack: That's presumably this very same giant street. The one and only. Super strange.

Cristina: Where's that hole in that photo?

Jack: Tis the problem. Now you're starting to see the details that matter. Now you're looking. Keep looking. Now you're looking. Before you were pretending you were engaged. Now you're here. Exactly. Keep going. What else? Those are the details that matter also. Up close you can tell more of what we're looking at if you really look at the buildings, which I know you're not doing, but really look at the buildings and you know exactly where we are. Not exactly where it is, but what it is.

Cristina: I kind of don't know.

Jack: There's that little round building right there will tell you everything you need to know. Because that only exists in one Place like a farm. Yes, it's a farm. And the fact that there is a clearly obvious from top down, you could even tell the rounded top is a barn directly in front of the storage for the hay for the barn.

Cristina: First one, again, we can tell that in the first one that this is a farm.

Jack: Yeah. This is the divided land for a ranch.

Cristina: This is a ranch. This is a ranch.

Jack: All these facilities are on top of a ranch. You can see what we're looking at over there. Over here.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Mm.

Jack: This is a farther away shot of the same location.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Mm. This is way farther than the first one. The order of range would be this one, the first one, and then the second one.

Cristina: Where is any of this in this photo?

Jack: Right down here.

Cristina: Right down there.

Jack: Okay, go ahead and explain what you're seeing in this one to everybody.

Cristina: It looks like. Are we looking at mountains? I'm not sure. I'm not sure where I'm looking at.

Jack: This up here is the bottom of the other one you were looking at where you see the dryness over here.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It looks very deserty, especially in that photo. It looks very deserty.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Are they on mountains or no mountains at all.

Jack: Just talk about what you're seeing. I'll give you information later. Just talk about what you're saying. No questions.

Cristina: I don't know what I'm looking at.

Jack: You don't need to know what you're looking at. Describe what you're seeing regardless of whether you.

Cristina: Squiggly roads. Two squiggly roads. And there's a circle on the bottom. I don't know if that's anything or that's nothing. I don't know. There's another circle up there that looks like a lake maybe.

Jack: All right, I'm gonna go my turn now describing what I'm saying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We have a main road. Out of the main road, there are many smaller roads sticking out. It seems that every smaller road has at least some kind of little square box. This is the first image at mid range. We can see the little boxes in many different locations. We don't necessarily know what any of the boxes are initially. Upon looking at them. There seem to be two stacked next to each other. Little trailer park areas and like cul de sac formations. With the dirt roads, we got actual roads forming, leading to farmhouses and little property territories. We have faraway facilities presumably to put chickens and things of that nature. Assuming that we are looking at animal contained facilities on the photo, we were looking at the mid range one to the Bottom of the fold of the photo, which is the top of the other one is completely dry. Mountainy area that has very light dry grass is currently being built up to be used to have other animals on it. If we go farther away to the farthest image where the bottom is now the top, we'll keep referring to it in the way whether the dry side is at the bottom. Towards the top right of that image, we have a giant circular formation. Man made.

Cristina: Oh, that's a real hole. I thought that was like some weird. I don't know, I didn't think that was real. That was real. That is real.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there are two major roads going through here. There is the road that follows the entire division of the farm's grassland and the farm's mountainy dry land on the bottom of the image. And then at the top of the image, following the circle and the mountain range opposite to that, we have a sort of winding mountaintop road. This is the actual mountain on this side, not this side. You can tell based on the road having to kind of curve around. They couldn't just cut through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is not mountain.

Cristina: Although the road is doing about the same.

Jack: No, the road is moving the way you could drive full speed through here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Here you'd have to slow down because you would fall off. No, it's just wrapping around the edge as fine as it could.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Little thing there. That's a river. What is that? Is that water or. No.

Jack: Where? That's a facility.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Okay. And in the closest zoom of the image we have, we're focusing on the part towards the division of the dry directly landing us closest to the farmland. We have a hole almost identical to the circular hole, much smaller but square. Instead the structure is the same. It's a smaller hole inside of a smaller hole with the same shape that the other one has. For whatever reason.

Cristina: In circle has a circle inside.

Jack: It's infinitely built in such a way that it seems to kind of collapse. And so the effect you're looking at here is it's more narrow, but it's still a square. It's not really a hole inside of a hole as much as a hole continuously getting smaller, like a funnel.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so we're seeing where the light ends down there where we can't see farther.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's what looks like another hole in there. It's really just. We can't see light beyond that point.

Cristina: I see.

Jack: These are two ridiculously deep holes.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Weird. Is that important to farming? I don't know.

Jack: How do you know? What about what I just told you is important. Wait, you said important to farming.

Cristina: Yeah, because he said it was a picture of farm.

Jack: Yeah. I have no idea if I can assure you those holes have nothing to do with farming. I wouldn't even know what you could do with that for farming. Those holes are quite a mystery.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So what I've just shown you is called Skinwalker Ranch. Skinwalker Ranch is located in Utah and Skinwalker Ranch is considered to be one of the most haunted places in the entire planet. It has attracted several huge companies that have gone to investigate what the h*** is going on.

Cristina: Supernatural activities, all kinds of activities.

Jack: Unless we're referring to alien activity as supernatural.

Cristina: Let's do that. Yes, let's do it.

Jack: Yeah. Because I'm trying to be specific and when I said alien you were like. No, like. Okay then.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's better to just.

Jack: Because if anything we should say paranormal.

Cristina: Paranormal.

Jack: Because supernatural is different. Paranormal is not average to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's outside of our normal. Yes, but supernatural means it's outside of nature. Our nature. And it's not outside of our nature. It's just within space. If it includes aliens. And in the case of these echoes, they look to be a space time effect. All of this is science fiction, or not even science fiction, science reality, I suppose. But using the terms from science fiction, essentially. So yes, it's a hotspot for paranormal activity and it's attracted many, many big companies. And the weirdest part is nobody can answer any of the questions they come to investigate. It's legit problem.

Cristina: Okay. And it's just a hotspot for random things.

Jack: Bunch of stuff which we will get into before you start asking about what about this thing. So we will talk about what?

Cristina: I have to just start with the name. But unless you want to talk about that later.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Has nothing to do with skinwalkers, if that's what you're interested in.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Unrelated. Some stories at some point people mentioned. See, this is a good that we start there because you'd fixate and it's irrelevant. Okay, I know that. Oh, but what about the. There's no Skinwalkers. It's just a paranormal name.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A very common paranormal name because people fear skinwalkers. Although nobody could tell you what they think a skinwalker even is.

Cristina: Okay. So you're not gonna have any stories.

Jack: There are no skinwalkers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's not gonna be no skinwalkers. Oh, that's not okay, yeah. In fact, anybody who is discussed skinwalkers is usually confusing some other obvious debunkable thing. We were gonna do an episode of Skinwalkers a while ago until we realized most of it are simply creatures that have the ability to do humanoid type of things, like bald monkeys and s*** like that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And so I was like, this is dumb. And so like all of it was kind of aiming in that direction. So I scrapped that episode years ago. But yeah, skinwalkers aren't even a thing. It's just people who really, really, really, really, really want to believe in something paranormal and have nothing to grasp, prove skinwalkers exist because it's just creatures that people are Ms. Labeling.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah, it's not that I'm sure skinwalkers have come through here, but that's not paranormal. It's been like, yeah, I'm sure there's a weird dog that's oddly shaped and makes weird noises and ate somebody's creatures. They're like, oh, it's a chupacabra. A chupacabra is a skinwalker, by the way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just all that kind of. I'm like, okay, yeah, whatever.

Cristina: But that's not important.

Jack: That's not important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Chupacabra is the English skinwalker. I mean, it's a Mexican skinwalker, I suppose, but yeah, Skinwalker ranch. You could, for lack of a better word, Chupacabra ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not even that there's chupacabra. It's just like. Well, when there's something weird in Mexico, you say the Chupacabra did it. And then if you find out it wasn't a Chupacabra, well, whatever. But we don't know what it was, so f*** it. The Chupacabra did it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. Skinwalker ranch, heavily paranormal. So things to note about this place. The results of the investigations that have taken place here are kept secret for the most part.

Cristina: Lame.

Jack: Yes, by all the companies that take apart. How many facilities have been built on the property is not clearly known. This is why it's important that we saw many facilities underneath some patches of trees and that random satellite images of this place show craters the size of the whole farm at random and then don't. At random. In random locations, inconsistent. For years you'll not see anything. And sometimes you'll just go on Google Maps and there's no farm. There's just a f****** hole there. We over and over it happens. Many reports of people. Oh yeah, I was looking for that and it's not. The Google must be blocking the thing. And somebody will go and like, no, what the f***? Some people have claimed to have gone by the farm and not have seen the farm.

Cristina: Is this like that Amazon show where the farm has is just a time. A time thing happening?

Jack: I bet that show is literally based on. On this Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For one reason. The f****** hole.

Cristina: Oh yes. Oh yes, for sure. Okay.

Jack: It's a hole in a ranch that disappears.

Cristina: That disappears. And random things disappear too.

Jack: Yes. And it creates a weird space time anomaly.

Cristina: Yes. Where you'll see a mountain and then it's not there because it was there. But at a different time.

Jack: Yes, exact.

Cristina: So that's pretty much what's happening here. Like even Google can't be sure. You can't even be sure by looking at.

Jack: You can't be sure by looking at anything.

Cristina: Trying to hide anything.

Jack: They're not trying to hide anything.

Cristina: Time is messing with it.

Jack: Now let's go back a point. It's unclear how many buildings are there now. Some buildings are obviously obscured by location with trees and stuff. Now tell me, why don't we know how many buildings are there if we can just drive by?

Cristina: Because they might have been there at a different time. And you might see them now, but they actually exist in the future. Or they might have existed in the past.

Jack: Every single photo I showed you was focused over exactly the same point. Where were all the buildings? Every time I showed it to you, they were exactly the same image. And every one of those image was taken the same f****** day.

Cristina: The same day.

Jack: Every image was taken the same f****** day at different times. These are different satellite images from different places taking different images. Every single image had different buildings. Every single image had different holes. One of the images had no holes. This was all done the same day. They were doing different kind of lenses, they were doing different kind of shots, different distances and seeing different things every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Skinwalker Ranch.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: If anything has ever reminded me more of Clinton Road, it is Skinwalker Ranch. It doesn't matter what you're doing or how you're approaching it. It's weird and you can't explain it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No matter what you do, what angle you come from, what thought you applied.

Cristina: To more images or is this also. You were the best.

Jack: Every image you look at is different and it's they all. Because the point is I'm proving how f****** weird that is.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody puts it directly over the main farmhouse. Every version I showed you was directly over the main farmhouse. You Saw the main farmhouse in the center on every shot. And I could point it to you, but was the hole there and where the other buildings around there? Two of the images had the tall tower in front of it, one of them didn't. Those is the same f****** day.

Cristina: Yeah. So one of it had a hole right next to the fire, and the.

Jack: Other one had the hole way far away.

Cristina: That was a different hole, though.

Jack: That was a different hole. But that hole doesn't exist. Yeah, that hole doesn't exist in any other shot.

Cristina: Okay, the round hole.

Jack: The round hole, yeah. At least not in that spot. Yeah, the hole has been in other spots. So has the square one.

Cristina: Okay, that's complicated. But what? But those were people. People made those holes. They had to.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, not recently or maybe recently.

Jack: Maybe in the future. Who knows?

Cristina: In the future? Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. I have no idea. It is very weird.

Cristina: That is weird, that. Yes. Okay. Wow.

Jack: Really, really weird. Okay. There have been a couple of companies, like I said, who've worked on this site, and they've worked on the site for different periods of time, Right? So we have the National Institute of Discovery Science and IDS, and they were active from 1995 to 2004. And this company was funded by Robert Bigelow to investigate paranormal phenomenon. And a bunch of, you know, experiments and crap were conducted for the unexplained events here. Then another company comes in called Bigelow Aerospace. Advanced Space Studies. And they were active from 2008 to 2013.

Cristina: So he had one and then he abandoned them and made a new one.

Jack: A subsidiary of Bigelow Aerospace focused on aerospace and UAP research.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And here the activities included working with the Department of Defense. Fence contracted to study UAPs and then explain phenomenon. That's ranch. So he came, he retires his company from it, and then he shows up again with a different company that's tied to the government. Why is the government looking at this?

Cristina: First he was interested in the weird sciencey stuff about it, but then he's like aliens.

Jack: Keep in mind, nothing he studies gets revealed to the public.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he went to study, says nothing, leaves, come backs with the government, comes back with the government. Seems like he found something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Enough for the government to be interested.

Cristina: Yes, for defense. Interesting.

Jack: Now again, they end in 2013.

Cristina: There's a third one.

Jack: The current research team under a man named Brandon fugal, began in 2016, and still studies there to the present, led by the new owner, Brandon Fugal. Consisting of scientists and researchers and they're basically continuing the research done on Skinwalker Ranch. The Bigelow had begun. So these are the three primary most influential. There's been other kind of insignificant groups coming and going. Nobody who seems important.

Cristina: But there's nothing on this guy though. He's just continuing what Bigelow was doing.

Jack: Yeah, he was basically coming in to also study the absurd amount of paranormal s*** that has been going on.

Cristina: And UFOs.

Jack: And UFOs isn't by saying paranormal. I was covering UFOs.

Cristina: I don't know. Yes, yes it is.

Jack: Okay, but this brings up an interesting point. Okay, what did you find? Bro came back with the government.

Cristina: What did he find? I don't know. Do people guess what they found?

Jack: Bigelow. The statement they had for being there in the first place was to investigate and study unexplained aero phenomenon and other paranormal activities to understand potential threats and scientific anomalies. Reported findings only the things that were allowed to put on paper that made or not allowed that they did put on paper that were allowed to be seen by the public were in small bullet points in order to justify their continued work on the property. Okay, so numerous UFO sightings and unexplained lights in the sky. Poltergeist like activities including objects moving on their own, strange animal mutilations with no clear cause. Cryptid sightings such as large and identified creatures collected extensive data but did not reach definitive conclusions on any of the previously mentioned. Which is a lie because he came back with the government.

Cristina: Yeah, for defense. So yeah, they had to have known what this was to come up with a plan to stop whatever it is.

Jack: Right, so he comes back with the government in 2008 and he stays there until 2013 instead of indefinitely. Interesting. So you got what you came for, did he?

Cristina: Because then isn't the third thing exactly the same?

Jack: They're not there for what he clearly found. Oh, they have no idea what he found. They're there thinking they're doing what his official message is. Oh, his official statement. They're there to continue that. Okay, the new guy is just a guy. Now let's take a quick look at what happens after he leaves. After shifting focus from Skinwalker Ranch, Robert Bigelow's company Bigelow Aerospace directed its attention specifically to developing an expendable space habitat. Designed and launched expandable modules like the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module which is currently attached to the International Space Station. Aimed at providing cost effective, flexible and larger living and working spaces for Astronauts. Commercial space stations. Which includes plans to create standalone space habitats for use by governmental and private entities in low earth orbit. And research and development focused on advancing technologies for long duration space missions and habitats that could support human life in space. He went to the ranch. He stayed at the ranch until he thought he had something. He removed his private company from the ranch, leaves, pops up with a different company, unrelated. Oh, this is government work. They seal off the property so that they can privately do their research there. And then they leave. And instantaneously we start developing extremely advanced space flight technology and we have the research survive in space.

Cristina: Okay, all right. That sounds really complicated. I wonder what he found.

Jack: I wonder what he found. Let's unpack some of this. We know a mass amount of energy must have existed there and was used for one of the two things that's causing this. It was either a stone or a portal. Something was done. Now, the amount of energy displayed here and what he's using it for tells us something very interesting. We have a ground zero that's very similar to this place. And it's Egypt and it's the pyramids. Extremely exaggerated concentrations of energy. Here's a very important thing I have to tell you. There was a giant square in the floor. If the square is a funnel, what is a square funnel? Upside down.

Cristina: A square funnel upside down.

Jack: Yeah. What's a square funnel? Upside down? Visualize it square flip the funnel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And make it smaller like a funnel. So the base is at the bottom and it's square and it's gonna funnel up.

Cristina: What isn't a pyramid.

Jack: It's a pyramid.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's a giant hole of something missing. That is a square funnel. That is an upside down pyramid. We know that the pyramid itself is only the top half of the structure because the bottom half is underneath the ground. And you would call that an upside down what?

Cristina: Pyramid. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so the real structure is in a pyramid. It's a what funnel? It's a diamond.

Cristina: Diamond. Oh, okay. Yes. Together. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yes. The real structure is actually a diamond. And that's the object that we know has created the most energy as far as humans have generated. The ability to just blink across the universe generated in that very structure. And that would create a huge space time problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If not controlled. There is a pyramid shaped funnel that is missing and is jumping around.

Cristina: It's jumping around the hole.

Jack: Move.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: If you were to try to make a device to teleport and the device went wrong, the device itself might disappear. But you're still failing to contain the energy the same way you would if you had no idea what you were doing. And then you create a spacetime disturbance. We have the hole where the device would have been and the space time disturbance moving it around.

Cristina: Do you think the circle hole is the same though?

Jack: I think the circle hole has to be something similar. That's what we were trying. If. If our conclusion makes logical sense.

Cristina: With the square.

Jack: With the square, then we would have to try to understand how that would apply. Because that hole is way bigger.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like 20 times larger than the farm itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's huge. It pops in and out. It swallows the whole branch sometimes.

Cristina: And the question is whether this is coming from a stone or a.

Jack: Or something that generated. My argument right now it's that it's neither a stone nor a portal. It's a teleportation device. It's this massive amount of energy that these people are working with that's causing the problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So although the stone and the portal aren't space time related, they are realm related. They must use enough energy from this side and that side to still create a problem.

Cristina: But they got that from the adrenal.

Jack: Wait. What are you talking about?

Cristina: Teleporting ability.

Jack: I don't know where they would have gotten the information. I have no idea who they studied. We don't know that. But we know that there is a funnel missing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the funnel moves around. So the funnel itself must be part of the energy. That's the only conclusion we have. The energy was coursing through that hole itself.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the hole itself moves because that is the center of the disturbance. You get my point?

Cristina: See?

Jack: See, that's the logic I'm following. And I couldn't fit anything else into that hole other than a pyramid. Like that would be what's upside down there. And the only thing we know that generates that and has that shape and happens to be a pyramid isn't actually a pyramid. It's a diamond. And that would be the bottom half of it. We would have a pyramid on top. So somebody would build a teleporter there long ago. That was my theory. What do you think?

Cristina: Teleporter? I don't know. It does feel like it's somehow shadow realm related still.

Jack: It does. Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So let's dive a little deeper then. He definitely found something. Bigelow found something and he started using it. There was a way to control energy or a way to innovate technology or something. You found something and then you Left with it. Maybe it's still there, but the information you left with it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, the question is, what was this land to begin with? What happened here? What are you here finding out about? We got to go quite back to.

Cristina: The 1600s now, where cowboys roamed around.

Jack: I don't know. That's 1800s.

Cristina: 1800S. Okay.

Jack: So 1600s, we go, and we just have a bunch of indigenous people living on the lands. And the indigenous people already consider this land sacred, but they essentially say that about all the lands, so that's not a fair statement. Every land is your sacred land. Shut up, homie. Now, Skinwalker ranch was where a tribe called the UTE tribe existed, and they were always at war with the Navajo. So, yeah, there was, you know, but it wasn't like crazy war. It was, like, normal war territory and s*** like that. Okay, but that's not even the point here. Right. So the UTI tribe lived there in the Unta basin for centuries, which is what it was called originally. And they used the land for hunting, gathering, and seasonal migrations to stay alive. And they considered parts of the region spiritual, particularly sacred, including the area where the ranch was on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Navajo tribe also believed that land to be sacred, but because their ancestors came from that very spot. So it's more of a historical importance to them than it is sacred importance. And that's kind of where the conflict over that kind of land began.

Cristina: Okay. Sacred for both of them for different reasons.

Jack: Yeah. So basically, it comes down to a fight that is perpetual and infinite between cultural and spiritual. That's what it is. And it's like, you know, it's hard because this is where we come from, and this is what you guys worship. So it's like it's Israel versus Palestine. You know, we believe this, and we believe that. So definitely interesting. There are some details on, like, interesting paranormal things that happened based on their stories, but it's more of things that they would describe happen everywhere around them, not just this land with shape shifters and werewolves and just normal things. We've come across looking at native Americans, realm creatures, normal shadow realm creatures, but they exist not just on this property.

Cristina: Everywhere, Everywhere. Okay.

Jack: Now, where this takes an interesting change and why it matters specifically to, say, the 1600s is because the 1600s is where we see people started arriving who aren't from there. White people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why? People start rolling up, and this is where it's gonna get really, really, really, really important.

Cristina: What do the white people do?

Jack: Okay, so several settlers arrive on the lands around 1600s and promise prosperity to the indigenous people.

Cristina: Of course. Of course.

Jack: Classic story. The indigenous people wrongfully trust the settlers.

Cristina: Oh, no. Oh, no.

Jack: What's gonna happen?

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: Way more surprising than you think. The settlers eventually begin to round up the indigenous people into camps. The camps were referred to as murder prisons by the Ute people.

Cristina: Oh, that's.

Jack: It's starting to build. It's starting to. Yep. It was unknown to the people of the land what the reason for the European massacre was. The primary detailed shared through generations. Seems that it was religiously motivated, primarily Christianity.

Cristina: Just to drink their blood.

Jack: A large focus on acquiring the flesh and the blood of Christ.

Cristina: Okay. Yep.

Jack: The UTA people mentioned the obsession the Europeans had with the blood diamonds, what they likely thought were rubies.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay.

Jack: I don't think those are rubies.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Just saying.

Cristina: Obsessed with making stones.

Jack: Obsessed with making any stones and also drinking blood. Because it's the same thing. And Jesus isn't the one who pushes that narrative. No, Jesus is not the one we know who does. This is. They specifically say the Christian white man.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a whole group of people coming from one group of people who's never stopped doing what they were doing. Now, this is the story I chose because of one important detail.

Cristina: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail.

Jack: The bloodstone wasn't the important detail. Because there are two pieces of information that I need to add as sauce here.

Cristina: What's the sauce?

Jack: The narrative passed by the UTA people was that the white Christian showed up from Europe to colonize and they were rounding people up and they were obsessed with the gems in the ground, the blood diamonds. They've never seen the blood diamonds. They were told that the blood diamonds are here, and we need to round you up in order to get them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One thing that's within the conversations with a few of them civil enough to engage and try to elaborate where they were from and try to bridge communication, even if they're being enslaved and murdered casually. That then made it through history is the following. The Europeans that arrived were specifically from western and northern Europe, many from the United Kingdom, Scotland and Ireland, many from Poland, Sweden, and Norway.

Cristina: They were doing weird things. I remember.

Jack: Oh, man. It's crazy how little you remember and how everybody's on the other side probably screaming, oh, my God.

Cristina: How do you know there's so much information.

Jack: There's only two reasons to remember how Ireland and Norway tie together.

Cristina: Sea people. Not sea people. They're. They're. They're whatever those things are called.

Jack: Yes. So when the mass migration happened during the time of Christ. As they try to flee, three lines go. One hits the Atlantic Ocean, one lands in Gaza, and one goes up to Norway, probably to this specific part of Norway where the Nephilim are.

Cristina: The Nephilim, that's what.

Jack: That's a Norway. Also. The entire troop they've already established, experimenting and testing in the Isle of Man are based on the local. Nearby island and Ireland. This is all Alician people.

Cristina: The white people that are.

Jack: They showed up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the Elysians rolling in. Or sending people. Humans. Sending humans who are still aligned with them to experiment. Not to experiment. They know what they're getting. It's very, very obvious. It's not an experiment. There's no science being done. They know what they're there for.

Cristina: The stones.

Jack: The stones. Go make stones. The people roll up. They immediately start gathering the people and talking about, we need to acquire these rubies. And somehow the only way to do that is through God. And in order to do that, we need the blood and the flesh of Christ.

Cristina: My dude, they're trying to prepare to fight Jesus with all these stones. Question mark. I don't know. That's a lot of stones.

Jack: It's a lot of stones. This was long ago. This was 1600s, man. It's weird.

Cristina: Those stones. Be.

Jack: I don't think the stones could have been too huge, but we're talking a long time ago, too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It gets. It's f****** weird, right? Like, what's happening in this place? Well, it gets a little odder because now we're actually in cowboy Times.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In 1850s, the United States government showed interest in the territory, sending out a military troop to occupy the region and remove any and all inhabitants. Following this incident, the land has actually been owned by descendants of European bloodlines since it was acquired and placed under people who are directly tied to the first group of individuals who cleaned it out.

Cristina: The sea people or whoever.

Jack: Whoever showed up. Which presumably is not the sea people, but people who are croonies.

Cristina: Cronies. Yeah.

Jack: Related, because we would be like. Well, in the 1600s, some God, like Adonis is rolled in, and it's like, we don't have that story. No, we just got white people rolled in. European white people. And it's like. But where they came from is like, we know they're there. You came specifically from those two places? Are you kidding? Sometimes lines just line up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I don't think we have to. We don't have to reach to get anywhere here. This makes kind of a Lot of sense. And whatever stuff was left there, abandoned, was acquired by Piccolo.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was a massacre. Many stones were made. Probably some stones were left behind, but the energy displacement continues. That explains all the paranormal s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the United States government confiscates and tries to find him. Cannot. A guy whose expertise is finding hard to find things gets hired by the United States government. He goes in with his private company. He then starts looking. He says, I actually believe if you guys give me the proper resources, we can get this done. Yes, I believe it's possible.

Cristina: You think the teleportation, though technology has something to do with the stones?

Jack: I think the roundup was all of the above. I think there was. They knew how to build a teleporter. They knew how to build a teleporter. The funnel, the square funnel has shown up for dozens of years. That's old. So. Yes, that's been there. It's possible that knowing how to build a teleporter because they can't access their old one, in the 1600s, you know, they abandoned Egypt and they're closer to the United States. They can just roll in. Okay, so you have the ability to make stones, the ability to make teleporters, the ability to make gates. You find land that already has weird fears attached to it. Easy to control a lot of people, fighting a lot of death over here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Easy to kind of start there. Same thing that happened with the lady. You find a spot that has potential because you need the feedback loop, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can't do it if there is no fear. You need the fear to get something to engage. Cause more fear, get more of them, get more help progressively doing the thing. Without the feedback loop, you're alone.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So they come to where the war is going on already, where people die already. They think it's sacred. They think it's haunted, think it's cursed. Too much death, too much this, too much that. Then get the people we have, the people who are scared. The land where the fear happens in one shot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can use our friends from the other side. We can use the people from this side. Get the portal, get the stones and get the teleporter all running in one place.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: I think the hole that is a circle, was the stone being made. It's the biggest. Would require the most energy because the stone alone could fling you across space.

Cristina: The stone alone, the stone has more.

Jack: Energy than any teleporter could ever imagine. Okay, well, I think that's the round hole.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I Think that's the crater where it happened. And I think the teleporter is why we don't find out what's happening there. Because one team dipped and joined their other homies who also dipped.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I guess maybe that's been throughout the years, throughout the centuries. Little pockets of people. Oh no. You know, it'd be probably become normal to dodge current day domination of Earth. So you know, we say underwater, they stay over there in space. These guys are underground. And we've grown up seeing what. Oh my God, weird things in sky come out of the water and when we see lights and stuff under the water and oh man, there's more people because we've seen things and like there's creatures underground. It's like, bro, you're just seeing all the people who are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah. There's nothing too weird happening.

Jack: And we just catch them. They're still communities within each other, even if they're private from us, probably with each other. So. Oh yeah, we need a teleporter to get to Bob. You know, teleport over here broke up. We need to build a new one to get them. He's over there in The Dyson sphere. XY 1010. And the energy. We need some. Send some guys over there.

Cristina: Yes. With that technology of transportation, they made better technology to survive in space consistently. Yes.

Jack: Thus making it even easier. So everything has always been to get more and improve and get more and improve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The question is, is Bigelow tied to the Alicians? I don't think so. I think those are two different instances. I think Bigelow and the United States government are what we usually find, which are people using any desperate means and they kind of, kind of know it was there. Kind of sort of understand. And the United States government rolled in in the 1800s trying to get it too.

Cristina: Yes, but they wanted people who were, it seems like they were working with them though.

Jack: The Europeans rolled in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's very different than the United States government in the 1850s rolling in. Oh, those are two different groups. I don't even know what happened to the Europeans.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I didn't say anything about that.

Cristina: Well, I thought you said the government then wanted people who were part of that group to stay there.

Jack: No, the, the government has had people that are of European descent in control of the property since the 1850s.

Cristina: Okay. But that's unrelated.

Jack: Yeah, well, they're descendants of the original group of people who were there. Yes. Now the question is, is the original group of people there connected to the Original group of people there? Or does it just so happen to be that it was safer to leave in control of these people?

Cristina: Huh? I don't know.

Jack: And is the 1850s United States government the same as the modern day government that was interested with Bigelow? Because we know there are many government figures who have adrenochrome and islands farming adrenochrome and doing this and doing that. But that's not Alicians technology, because they wouldn't with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Except for these. Whoever these people are that are somewhat. They're not them, but they're related because they came to make stones.

Jack: They came to make stones, but they weren't drinking blood or anything.

Cristina: They might have been drinking blood because there was blood drinking involved. Enough.

Jack: They never said blood drinking. I looked for that specifically. They said they needed to get the flesh of Christ and the blood of Christ and that in doing so they could acquire the rubies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they had no idea what rubies. What the. I think the settler quote settlers, unquote, weren't actually told the name of the philosopher's own, because probably it was global at that point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that they couldn't accidentally translate it into their native language and be like.

Cristina: Getting the blood of Christ is not drinking the blood of Christ.

Jack: No. In the case of working with the Elysians, getting the blood of Christ is them trying to get enough to make a stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's why rounding them up was part of it. Because back then, I don't think. Unless you were trying to build a farm. And if they were just trying. I mean, it is a ranch.

Cristina: It is a ranch. And you say that there was like animal, like things were happening to the animals too. Someone was drinking blood in there eventually.

Jack: Well, keep in mind that the spot was chosen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of. All spots seem to be chosen because of already having events making it easier than trying to get it.

Cristina: So whatever, like shadow realm creatures that popped up probably really not. Did not relate to them at all.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. It could be. That's the problem. It could be totally unrelated. Yes. These 1600s people could be the 1850s people and it could be the 2013 people. But if not, then the 1600s people were advantageous people who knew we could use this to do the things for our. For our leaders.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then the 1850s people just happen to have enough knowledge to know this is important to keep in our possession.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then that actually gets executed on in the 2013s and on when they already Finished doing their research and can finally start implementing. But then that's still like a 200 year project of digging information and trying to find things out and then bringing in an expert because you wasted 200 years and you're like, can you figure it out? And he's like, yeah, yeah, makes sense. I don't think we nailed down which specifically thing it was, but I think we know who.

Cristina: Yes, I think we know who and.

Jack: I think it's possible because of the different visuals that it was all of the above. The storylines went being all of the above and the visuals line went up being all of the above. The only thing we can't really nail down is the circle. We have never seen the impact zone. It's usually buried under a f*** ton.

Cristina: Of something and they probably happened so long ago that it wouldn't stop. Be there still.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Are there other random holes like that?

Jack: If we removed the ground zero of the Twin Towers, we'd have a huge crater. The question is, if we remove that and look at what the crater looks.

Cristina: Like, is it perfect?

Jack: Is it a perfect circle underneath that? You know, that's the question. We need to find another colossal sized perfect circle. I can tell you what the square funnel looks like and using logic, what it could have been.

Cristina: Mm. Put the circle.

Jack: I can tell you, based on the stories and what they shared and passed down through time about their trauma and horrors, what they were trying to do because, oh, we're trying to get this blood and we're trying to get that flesh and we're trying to make some, you know, we're trying to get the stones through doing that. The sentence doesn't make sense. You're trying to get some rubies with some blood, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, that's very crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's very clear what's happening there. I don't know what's up.

Cristina: It's a perfect circle.

Jack: Perfect circle.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Only theory was if you're doing all the things you're always doing, that's where you made the stone. You were rounding them up. You were.

Cristina: I think so. But we gotta find proof.

Jack: I gotta find another hole.

Cristina: It has to be possible. I think it's possible. There's too many of these type of stories for there not to be another hole.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Now we know how to track them down. All I did was look for a really haunted area.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They happen to have the requirements. You dig deeper. And then as soon as we got. These people came from Norway and these people came from Ireland. I'm like, Yep.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yup, exactly. You could have come from anywhere, bro. Come on.

Cristina: All right, all right.

Jack: Random other place, random other thing. All I did was look for huge energy disturbances, a lot of paranormal activity. And then what did we find out? Oh, science took place here.

Cristina: Science. Oh, very scary science.

Jack: Very scary science. But he just goes to show what's happening in the past is all scientific. There is no magic. We began this journey like five years ago investigating the. Originally the. The claims of reptilian magic. Oh, they got magic. And I was like no. The conclusion to that was like no. All this looks like tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That perspective has changed everything. And it opened so many doors for us to really be able to look at some of this stuff to the point that it led us to actual fact discussions that have been had about this stuff. 100 years ago, peer reviewed material about this. Get the out of here. It's crazy. Anyways, that's basically what we have on the skinwalker ranch. It does look like some sort of former experimental facility. And there is a lot of weird activity that goes on there.

Cristina: I'm still going on there and to.

Jack: This day, still going on there.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: There are claims by other people that aren't official claims of things that have happened in this location.

Cristina: Location.

Jack: UFO sightings, animal mutilation, poltergeist activity, Cryptics, environmental anomalies, Electrical magnetic energy, cold. All the things you. Lights, discs, circles on the ground, missing things, things showing up that don't belong there. Seeing fires at a distance, seeing fires in the sky. Wolf like creatures, humanoid like creatures. Furniture rearranging itself. Doors opening itself and closing itself. Sometimes directly in front of witnesses. Animals completely lacking blood. Animals with no marks at all, completely drained of blood. Animals dead with no marks, completely filled with blood. Just normal animals who have nothing, just dead, surgical like incisions done on animals. Organs missing from animals. Ambrosia.

Cristina: Ambrosia.

Jack: Lights, flying objects or no human deaths.

Cristina: Or do they keep that secret?

Jack: Unknown.

Cristina: Right. That's something that's kept secret.

Jack: That's something that's kept secret on the wraps.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Right? Because you know there has to be. Yeah, there has to be.

Jack: But with purpose. I'm sure. But anyways, this went way longer than I thought. But there's a lot. And I didn't want like bad pieces of this or another episode because I know we're gonna start the next episode at least thinking about. Because we're gonna think about this and just talk about it. Yeah, like I want to do a whole episode about it. But anyway, so yeah, that's what we got, guys. You guys want to go look at some of this information? Skinwalker Ranch is an absurdly crazy thing. And I think the outer range might be based on this or something similar to this.

Cristina: It has to be.

Jack: Especially because that f****** big a** hole that moves around, dude, it's so colossal. It's been seen on both of the main road, but you can only tell when you're directly standing in front of it or when you're doing an aerial view, which is how people find it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it's just off in the distance somewhere. Weirdly enough, the really, really big hole has never consumed the ranch. It seems to always miss the ranch. And the really, really small hole misses all the buildings. I forgot to talk about that earlier. They totally dodge any structures, but can be seen missing the structures everywhere.

Cristina: So the structures very close to that ranch though.

Jack: Yeah. And it didn't touch it. It was right there. Yeah, it could. Had it shown up underneath it. Does the house just fall?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And like, how does it show up? You got to not be looking at it. It has to not be influencing anything or something. Right. Because you just be enjoying your day and then, oh my God. What the f***? The house is falling into where the hole just showed up under you. How does the hole move? Could I be standing here looking at the hole and watch it disappear in front of me?

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Or do I have to look over there? When I look back, it's just gone.

Cristina: I think that's the only way it could work.

Jack: So then we're Schrodinger's hole.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Anyways, guys, look at the information. Go online, Google it. Do what you got to do. Skinwalker Ranch. Really weird situation. Yeah. Tell us what you think. Tell us what you know. Tell us any ideas, thoughts, comments, concerns you might have, whatever the case might be, and do that on our socials. We have been kicked off of YouTube because truth hurts, I guess.

Cristina: Like they've been slowly removing us from there for years.

Jack: Yeah, we've been slowly getting banned left and right on YouTube.

Cristina: They finally was like, this is too much. You can't go through every video.

Jack: Yeah, no, they 100% were like, we're overlooking at your s***. Get out. And so we're no longer on YouTube but you can definitely reach us on tick tock, on Instagram, on Twitter, Facebook. I guess Twitter's act. But yeah, Twitter, you know, and on Facebook until they kick us out too because they're crazy PC, which I guess if we leave Facebook, we'll also be kicked out of Instagram, so you know all the above.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes, and word of mouth is the most exaggerated thing that can ever happen. So tell people about the show. Tell people about the Skinwalker Ranch and how you've discovered lately that all things on earth connect to the same group of people and that anything that's ever happened is just their doing and we have no free will.

Cristina: It might be, Yes, I guess so. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye it.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 15, 2024

Rambling 277: The Winchester House

June 15, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who was Sarah Lockwood? What is the Winchester House? And what purpose does any of this serve? The duo go back to investigating individual cases and crack open the case of the Winchester House. A mysterious and strange mansion with odd circumstances surrounding it. The discovery made turns out to be more relevant than could have ever been anticipated!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Sarah Lockwood
Geometric Patterns
Mazes
William Winchester
The Seance Room

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. How have you been?

Cristina: Hot.

Jack: It's been hot. You know, the Earth has been hotter. Hotter than usual. Too Hot. It's been painfully hot, I would say.

Cristina: Painfully hot.

Jack: Yeah. It's been global warming, except not because it's climate change. And some places are technically colder. Okay, so rephrasing it to climate change. We're changing the climate. Except we're not, because the climate is always changing. This has nothing to do with anything. I am just ranting. All right, anyways, so I have some images for you to look at, and I want you to just describe what you're seeing in these images, okay?

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This is just how we're going to start it.

Jack: This is just how we're going to start it. I want you to look at some image of cosas.

Cristina: If I don't know what I'm looking.

Jack: At, that's totally fine. Go ahead and describe to everybody what you're looking at.

Cristina: A big house.

Jack: Describe this big house.

Cristina: It kind of looks like a puzzle type of house because it's all over the place.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So just boxes here and there. Look at that one down there. Unless. Is that a car? No, that's a house.

Jack: No, this is. That's a room. Yeah. No, this is big. You're looking at something here.

Cristina: It looks like there's a maze in the house. Is it the Resident Evil mansion?

Jack: Interesting. Okay, what else do you see? Point other things out.

Cristina: Palm trees. Are those palm trees? I think that's what palm trees look like.

Jack: Yeah, that's a type of palm tree, for sure.

Cristina: The house is yellow with red. Red tops.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I guess. Except some of them are flat. I don't know. It looks like multiple buildings that are just connected to each other with littler buildings.

Jack: Okay, interesting. Interesting, yes.

Cristina: Something like. I don't know, what's the original house there? And maybe like it was just one house, and then they just added onto it over the years.

Jack: Fascinating. Okay. Okay, keep talking. I like where you're going with this.

Cristina: They have a huge. I don't know, it looks. It's huge. It's huge.

Jack: It is f****** huge. But I think you could also probably identify the original house in there.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is it the first. The little first section? You'd guess it would be that.

Jack: The bigger first section, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Although, like, that looks like a complete house right back there. Like, there's the first. The second one. You see that little box there?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That looks like added on stuff, but all the way back there. Looks like a mansion itself.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But. But it's connected though.

Jack: So. Good guess. Is actually this part and that part that were original.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: That's really on the nose. We'll scroll down to the next one, which is actually a different angle of it.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. It's a bigger mess than you can see. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: The original.

Cristina: That's the original.

Jack: And you can see the back house.

Cristina: Oh, what is this, though? It's huge. It's like five blocks, eight blocks.

Jack: What is it huge? It is one of the largest mansions in the world.

Cristina: Where is it?

Jack: We'll get to that.

Cristina: It has palm trees, but then it has regular trees behind it. So the palm trees were taken there. Like it's not a natural palm tree or. It is.

Jack: No. Oh, okay. Yeah. Wow. Okay. On point. On point. Yes, it is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Okay, now let's take a look inside. What do you see here? Huh?

Cristina: I don't know. We're looking at a basement. I don't know.

Jack: Right, right. Tell me more about the stairs.

Cristina: Is there something off with the stairs? I don't know.

Jack: You don't see something off about the stairs?

Cristina: I'm not sure. It's the. What's above the stairs? Looks odd. Like we're not. I don't know. No, I don't know. Because that's just doors in the bottom. Right?

Jack: In the bottom?

Cristina: Yeah. Is that not the bottom? The top of the picture is the bottom of the stairs?

Jack: No, that's the top of the stairs.

Cristina: That's the top of the stairs.

Jack: Yeah. You can see because this is a little lift at the bottom of the stairs with the shadow underneath it. Oh.

Cristina: Because it looks like.

Jack: Yeah, no, you're right.

Cristina: It looks weird. It looks like a door. Like you're entering the room.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like a staircase going into a door. But that's the ceiling.

Cristina: That's the ceiling.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But then how would you. So it's just a hole up there.

Jack: That's not even a door. It just looks like a door.

Cristina: It just looks like a door.

Jack: Yeah, the staircase goes nowhere. That staircase literally has no direction.

Cristina: What is it up there that we're looking at?

Jack: A ceiling.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Designed to look like a door. This is a ceiling.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Okay, here is another Image. What do you see?

Cristina: Another stairs. We're in a. This is some kind of maze. This has to be some kind of maze. I don't understand.

Jack: What are you looking at?

Cristina: It says exit and the stairs. And the stairs are going up to like nothing or a teeny tiny room. I don't know. Is it a tiny room up there?

Jack: Right. And once before the stairs going up.

Cristina: More stairs going up but the other direction.

Jack: So stairs going down.

Cristina: Oh, that stairs going down.

Jack: See, it's going down, its stairs going down, then stairs going up.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, that stairs going down, then up again.

Cristina: RV And I don't understand why is there so many stairs? Because it looks like other stairs going up right in the corner. Yeah.

Jack: Stairs up, up and then stairs down. Not sure why.

Cristina: Why? And then is there anything else happening there? I don't know. Is that a window? That's a window, yeah.

Jack: Last one. What do you see in this one?

Cristina: I see a room that's has nothing in it. It has a window that's way small and long. A closet that looks.

Jack: That's not a window, that's a door.

Cristina: Window that up there, that's a window.

Jack: What up. We're here.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm not talking about the door yet.

Jack: No, it's not a window either. Or I guess. Oh, fair enough. Yes, that's a window. That's a window into another room.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Because. Okay. And the door that's open looks like there's another door behind it. But also it's super high up from the floor.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like it would be really annoying to get out of the room. And the room is empty for some reason.

Jack: Yes. What else?

Cristina: I'm not sure. Hangers on the wall and I don't know. The closet looks like a normal closet. I don't know. Plus that's just another door to another room.

Jack: An average everyday closet.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Okay, describe to me what you've just seen. Put it all together in your mind. What's going on?

Cristina: It's. I don't know, someone with too much money and too much time making a maze. It looks like an indoor maze. It looks like Willy Wonka's mansion. It looks like, I don't know, Hogwarts. I don't know what's happening.

Jack: I'm gonna go into more detail. So you saw a maze. How was the maze built? Where does the maze come from? What can you extrapolate just by looking at it?

Cristina: Does it come from now where does it come from?

Jack: Fair enough. But like what what is fresh in your memory about what you just saw? What points stand out? If you were to summarize, having looked at these images, what are your bullet points?

Cristina: Okay. Besides that. It's some type of maze. It was made over time.

Jack: It was made over time because of.

Cristina: All the new parts to it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Has made it more complicated. Which is probably why there's some stairs that go to no thing and some that go to, I don't know.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Then there's. There's a lot upstairs going nowhere. And for some reason, that one, that last room with a really high upstair step to get out of it. Like why?

Jack: Why Fact.

Cristina: Does someone actually live there? I don't feel like. Like you. There's too much money that you have to be living there.

Jack: Somebody doesn't live there anymore.

Cristina: They were living in there.

Jack: They were living in.

Cristina: Making this mess.

Jack: Yes. So let me begin telling you about what you just saw.

Cristina: Good. What?

Jack: We'll begin at part one. The widow. So let me tell you about this widow Rich.

Cristina: Widow Rich.

Jack: A widow. Her name is Sarah. She goes by Sally. Her last name is Lockwood. And Sarah Lockwood was named after her grandma, you know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is that important?

Jack: I'm telling you about Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anything I tell you matters because I'm telling you. So eat it. Whether or not you think it matters, because I don't care if you think it matters.

Cristina: It does matter though.

Jack: It's information.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: About Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Lockwood.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah. And Sarah Lockwood was a widow. Sarah Lockwood became a widow eventually because of the situation that happened. Sarah was born in 1839 in New Haven, Connecticut. The Old west, you know, the American Old West. And Sarah married when she was 62 years. That's not 62 years. Crazy. She was in her 30s. 1862 is what I meant to say. How old was she too? I don't know. Let's find out. She was born in 1839 and she got married in 1862. So she was 30? No, she was 20. What?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She got married at 21. She gave birth to a still, but not a stillborn daughter, but a daughter that died within a year because the life expectancy of the time at that point. Okay, so she had a baby and her baby didn't make it. Sarah's baby had died. And it haunts her because it haunts her psyche because she's traumatized. Question mark.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so her husband had done died. He dropped dead. I guess I should be doing this with a western accent because I'm talking about the old West.

Cristina: How long after the baby?

Jack: I don't know necessarily when she had that baby to begin with. That's just more of a detail about her life. Telling you about Sarah, telling you details.

Cristina: About what was her job. Tell me about something about her, though.

Jack: I'm telling you things about her. Just let me keep revealing things. I told you the details that seem to be relevant to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Sarah, she, like I told you, been done married. And eventually her husband died. And her husband died in 1881. It wasn't good times for Sarah when he died. Her husband. What the h*** was her husband's name? I done forgot her husband's name. Oh, his name was William.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She was married to a saw William. He wasn't a sir. I'm just saying that because I was cool and fancy. Yeah, he was a Mr. William. Why the did we adopt sirness here in the United States of America?

Cristina: What was his last name?

Jack: His last name is the right question. Finally. His last name is. It's interesting because I figured you would ask his last name. I don't know why I thought you would ask specifically his last name, but I know you would. It's Winchester. His last name is Winchester. Which makes Sarah Lockwood's second last name and thus her entire full name. Sarah Lockwood Winchester. And as you know, the Winchester name has some interesting ideas behind it that have been exploited over time.

Cristina: Gun. There's a gun, right?

Jack: There is a Winchester gun. Yeah, there are. It's a revolver. A Winchester.45 Magnum revolver. The best.45 Magnum revolver.

Cristina: Does that somehow relate to the guy? He is his family. Just his family.

Jack: So this is part of the era where people were named after what they did for a living. And Winchester was the name of the company he worked for. He got his name for working for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And what do they do?

Jack: They sell repeating rifles.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's the Winchester Repeating Arms Company. I don't know what more specific they tried really to be super absurdly specific with that. Winchester, which is the name of the people. Assuming there was a guy actually named Winchester that's unrelated to this new guy named Winchester because of how norms work back then. No, he's one of them Winchester boys. And that really just meant you worked for the Winchester Company. Okay, now Winchester boys last name. But back then it wasn't. And yeah, so he worked for that place.

Cristina: Did he die from a Winchester gun? How did he die?

Jack: Who cares? He died. He died anyways. When he died, he left his widow, Sarah, with quite the fortune. A lot. A lot of money. So much money. Because he had a pretty big chunk of that company. Was there a while. He's one of the original founders money.

Cristina: So then he wasn't named because of what he does.

Jack: No, he wasn't. He was. He was. He wasn't one of the original founders. I have no idea. He was some guy in the company. But he had a lot of money. And no, he wasn't an original founder's lie.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And he gave her all that money when he died. And so now Sarah Lockwood Winchester is loaded and she gets arthritis.

Cristina: She joins the call.

Jack: And when she gets arthritis, she goes to her doctor. That's how she knows she's got arthritis. You're developing arthritis. You're becoming an old hang. And she was like, yeah, I'm in my 40s. I'm almost dead.

Cristina: She hasn't had any more children.

Jack: No, she's a widow. You don't do that. You stay widow and sad forever. That's your job.

Cristina: I mean, but like, they only tried once.

Jack: Yeah. And then failed. So she is a failure. In her womb is barren and she's a owl. Because that's how it works. It's them times. Except he died and now she's a rich barren.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, she's still a barren, but a lot of money landed on her lap. So she could be a rich baron b****.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although she was probably totally fine having the kid, but, you know, also child. But she didn't not. She wasn't barren.

Cristina: So she never has children that could.

Jack: Die after she gave.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: She wasn't bad.

Cristina: Like it's possible that she could have had.

Jack: Probably treating her like she was barren. Anyways. Her kid.

Cristina: Okay, so she garbage has no children.

Jack: She has no children.

Cristina: Does she adopt children?

Jack: She does not. Why does it matter?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why are you asking about her children? What do her children matter to you?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I told you. She had a kid and her kid died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does she need more kids?

Cristina: How does that relate to any.

Jack: She has a dead baby. How does any of this relate to each other?

Cristina: Yes, exactly.

Jack: And so now she got arthritis. She got arthritis. And the doctor is like, you got arthritis? And she's like, dang.

Cristina: She has so much money. She gets a new hand.

Jack: She gets a new hand. So the doctor is then like, look, man, you're out here living in New Haven, Connecticut, you stupid barren. You could go somewhere where the weather isn't so cold and frigid like you, you stupid, barren.

Cristina: So tell her to go to Californ.

Jack: Yeah. They basically say, go somewhere warm so that arthritis doesn't make your fingers represent your soul because you're a stupid barren b****.

Cristina: Did it help her?

Jack: I have no clue. But she does decide at the. At the warm young age. 80s of 42.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So then go.

Cristina: I mean, I guess that's still pretty old back then.

Jack: Yeah. And then she goes. She decides that she's gonna go in in 1885.

Cristina: She buys a mansion.

Jack: She goes and she. She goes to California and she brings her three remaining sisters. She had more, but they dead because life expectancy in the 1800s isn't fun.

Cristina: And do they have children or are they, well, parents?

Jack: They don't have children yet.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know. Is that important? Okay.

Jack: I don't know. Now, you know what? You've. You've been asking questions. I gave you answers.

Cristina: How old are they?

Jack: Younger than her. Okay, now that's. That's. That's Sarah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Told you some details about Sarah.

Cristina: About Sarah, though.

Jack: Now we're gonna go back to what you saw. I told you about Sarah.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Part two. The house.

Cristina: It's haunted. I don't know.

Jack: This house is located in what state?

Cristina: Cali.

Jack: Cali. This house belonged to a man named John Hamm. It's funny that this guy's named John Hamm because there's a photo of a man from the 1800s who looks identical to John Hamm that people say John Hamm is a vampire because of this reason.

Cristina: Okay. But this is not that photo that you're talking about.

Jack: No. I would be very confused. This is also that man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no photo of this Jon Hamm. There's nothing on this John Ham.

Cristina: Okay. This Jon Hamm owns the house.

Jack: He owns a house.

Cristina: He's still alive at this point, I.

Jack: Guess, where he owns. I mean, now.

Cristina: I mean, when they went there to get the house with him.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He was alive. He sold them the house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jon Hamm had a villa with a back house.

Cristina: Okay. And that's what they got.

Jack: That's what they got. They bought a villa with the back house.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: That's great. It's a guest house. And there were three, four of them now because her and her three sisters or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now let me tell you about some interesting details about this house. So it's on 40. What was it? 440 acres or some s*** like that Ridiculous land.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As you saw in the image.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which Was mostly empty, as you saw by the main two buildings. It's a lot of land, a lot of empty. There were actually forests going through there.

Cristina: Like, how long would it take for the main house to travel to the back house?

Jack: Oh, man. I mean, you saw. Yeah, it was a pretty thick. Like a forest was pretty thick. You were looking at like a minute and a half walk in a straight line from one end to the other. If this is a house with walls and turns, it could take you 5, 10 minutes to traverse one end to the house of the other in a non stop stride in your own house. I'll be there in 10 minutes.

Cristina: Yeah, well, that's too much.

Jack: Yeah, but it didn't begin like that. Again, it was a H, the house. You saw the big chunk, which must have had like what, seven rooms? She was filthy rich. She got her husband's whole estate. Why not? And the back house. So other people came.

Cristina: Which is still a pretty big house. That's a pretty big back house and house. Not including everything that was added.

Jack: Yes, to it.

Cristina: It's what was added just makes no sense. And I don't understand.

Jack: While living at this house, there were a couple of instances that have been left on public record about Sarah's interactions. Sarah Winchester, the widow of William Winchester, who worked for the Winchester Repeating Arms Company.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There have been actual notices of this.

Cristina: Lady in weirdo public records.

Jack: Not her being a weird. Well, fair enough. Possibly. It depends. Depends what you interpret of her being a weirdo. First, there were a couple of calls to the authority, to the authorities of the area about the house, saying there's an intruder on the premises.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This happened over and over and over where one of these ladies would run all the way to the authorities to.

Cristina: Say that there's someone at their house.

Jack: Tell them that there's somebody intruding on their property and has been lurking in their property.

Cristina: Is it John Ham?

Jack: It is not John Ham.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It'd be weird if it was. John the vampire. John Ham sells people the house and reclaims it through drinking their blood.

Cristina: Yes. Interesting. No, that's not it. Okay.

Jack: No. And in the time, the exact record claims that there was a man with the wheelbarrow pushing something through the property.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This happened more than 20 different occasions. Guy with a guy with a wheelbarrow on their property. Always taking something in the same direction.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: They're too scared to go over there and look.

Cristina: It's a ghost.

Jack: Why is it a ghost?

Cristina: It's. He's doing the Same exact thing.

Jack: It's an echo, right? It's an actual ghost?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not like a jinn or like a spirit? No, it's a ghost. An echo ghost of something that happened.

Cristina: In the past, repeating itself over and over. Yeah. Is that what you think too?

Jack: I am also thinking the same thing. I think that man is an echo.

Cristina: Is there more echoes, I guess in the house or around the house?

Jack: This is now where you've asked the most important question. Because this episode is a question of what is in this house. Because I think summer ghosts, echoes of a previous time or future time, ripples as we've established in the past, make sense with math, makes it to quantum physics, most of philosophy. And how we think of an echo in general and what we think of a ghost. So an echo and a ghost are in theory the same, except a ripple through time. Us seeing a moment.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. There are instances which seem to be identical and repeating and continuous. Like the man with the wheelbarrow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are instances that seem fully aware happening in this house. I am going to move into the future now and tell you about this house, current day, without further context so that you know how deep it's about to get. This house is current day a tourist attraction. People go to this house because of how f***** this house is.

Cristina: So it has nothing to do with the size of the house. Pretty crazy.

Jack: All of the above.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's not this or that. It's this and that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's all of the above. The house is a current day tourist attraction. It's called Winchester House. And the house brings in money purely based on the cryptic nature of its design and the fact that people, when they go there, do come across the echoes that seem to exist. What's in the public record and what's in the current day? Echoes only share the echoes. The current day events do not share anything that doesn't fit a description we would call an echo. But they do have other instances that people would have called ghosts back then.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We're going to get to that.

Cristina: But okay, okay.

Jack: That is an important distinction to be made there.

Cristina: Ghosts versus echoes.

Jack: They're definitely ghosts. Which brings up what can cause the ripples in. Because this is a different problem. Right. We're talking space, time, we're talking science. We know that in New Jersey there is the place Paradise Falls and Clemson Road by Clinton Road. And that area.

Cristina: It's weird.

Jack: Yes. But what causes an area like that to happen? We know that there's even thin places there.

Cristina: Yeah. There's just a lot of crap happening there.

Jack: Yes, but this is a space time phenomenon, isn't it? Yes, like a fold in space or something that's allowing things from many, specifically in Clinton Road is excessive. It's things from many different times. The future in the past kind of intersecting here. It's the. The hills. What is it? The tall fields in the tall grass.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: We're like the future. The past, the present, the now is all one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so you see impossibly ancient looking things and anomalous things. So futuristic. They might be magic.

Cristina: All happening aliens, but it might not be at all.

Jack: Yeah, because we're saying what, demons, ghosts and aliens all exist in the same place? Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: No, that's weird.

Jack: No, it's weird.

Cristina: That's what's happening in this house.

Jack: So let's dive deeper into the house. I'll tell you some things that happen with the structure of the house.

Cristina: Yes, that's really. I'm mostly dying to know why.

Jack: There is a 44 staircase that only goes up 10ft inside of this house.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: Why it continues at a tiny, super gradual slope. Super gradual. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs. Mad stairs to only go up 10ft.

Cristina: Who did this? Was it her? Is she part of this? Or this is someone else?

Jack: There are stained glass windows hanging inside of rooms, not in walls. Many stained glass windows, many, an absurd amount, have spiderweb designs.

Cristina: Spiderweb designs.

Jack: Many windows have Shakespeare quotes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end wall.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: There are many doors that open to another door.

Cristina: Okay, I think we saw a little bit of that.

Jack: There are many doors that open to a dead end hallway. There are many doors that lead through mazing hallways that go nowhere.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are hidden passages hidden beneath almost all the walls.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: And they don't connect to each other directly. Some connect to some, some don't.

Cristina: That's awful. Who will do this?

Jack: There are hidden passages underneath the floorboards.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some floors have windows in them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: There are many chimneys in this house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Kind of makes sense considering its size.

Cristina: Yeah, it's humongous. And find out there's only one door.

Jack: In what the number 13 shows up over and over and over and over. Many, most. Almost all staircases within this size range have about 13 steps. If it could be 9, if it could be 10, if it could be 11, if it could be 14, 15 or 16. It's usually 13 at different sizes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Stained glass windows constructed almost Majority. And his house is surrounded by stained glass windows of 13 panes.

Cristina: You have any of these as photos though, of the stainless stained glass windows? Stained glass windows. That'd be cool to look at. Are you weird?

Jack: There's a bunch of weird s*** going on here.

Cristina: It's not sounds weird.

Jack: It's not weird. These are things you would only notice by looking at detail. We're talking numbers, we're talking shape shapes. You see webs in places. You see odd shapes. You see the panels are made of add up to 13.

Cristina: That's pretty nice, actually. Not weird.

Jack: It's not weird. There's. The ceilings are made of wood and they have these patterns happening that you find.

Cristina: That was a movie.

Jack: It's not. Oh, there are. This is a weird staircase right here.

Cristina: That is a weird staircase.

Jack: So that's going nowhere.

Cristina: Oh, the 44 stairs. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Many staircases that go nowhere. Rooms that are complete solid colors.

Cristina: And you're saying nothing's based on this? Because I saw a movie and it looks like they based this weird house, their house. On this weird house, though.

Jack: A man's house?

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't know. It just gives me.

Jack: What's the name of it?

Cristina: Thirteen Ghosts, I think. Was it something like that?

Jack: Oh, I don't know. Maybe.

Cristina: Oh, just. Okay, we'll continue. So does this have to do with her, though, or this is someone else that came after?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Everything that we're seeing have to do with who? Sarah.

Jack: Oh, well, yeah, because Sarah bought this house.

Cristina: But it wasn't like that when she bought it.

Jack: No, it wasn't.

Cristina: So does she turn into that? Is it unrelated to her?

Jack: Let me scroll down and get to that.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Since you need to know at this.

Cristina: Moment, I'm just curious. It's really hard to picture.

Jack: This is in the points section to take. There are records of Sarah having hired multiple contractors to renovate the property at different points. The original intention was to add parts to the house in the form of additional rooms connecting through hallways as if.

Cristina: It wasn't big enough. That's so crazy. But okay.

Jack: Every time she would break off the contract and continue on her own.

Cristina: Okay, okay. So she is out of her mind. Maybe.

Jack: Eventually she began to create her own designs in the house where her sister.

Cristina: Still living with her at this time.

Jack: Yes. She was maintaining her entire family and their children.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy.

Jack: She began to implement the designs herself. And eventually. This is on record. She was approached. This is actually on the newspaper. She was approached by contractor offering assistance and was rejected when he offered free services to fix her. Increasingly, by his opinion, worst house.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yes, she built this. Now, going back to the things in this house.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The walls have 13 panes on average. When you look at the walls and architecture showed influences from around the world with a total lack of consistency, which is what you noticed. It looked like different buildings from different time periods and different locations from around the world. Because it was.

Cristina: That's very crazy. Okay.

Jack: Mm. The inside of the house is structured much like a maze.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The house itself is designed over a series of geometric shapes.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: All the lines intersect in geometric patterns. All the lines from the top view, it does not represent what an X ray of the place would show us, which would be where a wall looks awkward in our eyes is a straight line connecting a perfect shape elsewhere.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. How. How'd she map it?

Cristina: And why is she doing it?

Jack: And why? That is the question. Why? What's the point of any of this?

Cristina: Yes. And why couldn't any of her family stop her? I understand she's paying.

Jack: She's paying all of it. Additionally, the house features in random parts of design, triangles, circles, and squares that could be found throughout the entire structure, oftentimes as simple details added to something. It doesn't seem like it serves a purpose. It's just aesthetic. It would seem.

Cristina: This seems like too much money. From what? Like, man? How much? Like. No, I don't know.

Jack: There is.

Cristina: I feel like it's adding up.

Jack: Also an additional room in the very, very, very center of the entire structure, which is equal distances from the main house and the back house and both ends of the absolute property, which she successfully built. A house over a hundred percent of the distance, not covering the entire surface area, but rather from one side to the other in each extreme.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She managed to make the house touch every extreme. That's nuts.

Cristina: She sounds nuts. It looks nuts.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's a room dead center of all four of those points, and that's the room.

Cristina: You saw the room, the one empty. Okay.

Jack: That's the empty room with 14 hooks. 13. My bad.

Cristina: 13 hooks.

Jack: 13 hooks on the walls. Yeah.

Cristina: What is that about? What's the hooks for?

Jack: Coats.

Cristina: Okay, what's happening?

Jack: Let's unpack this real quick, Because I think with what we have, there's enough geometric patterns, a house structured in a geometric form, and these geometric patterns intersect with a room in the center, an empty room in the center, A room with coat racks, little hooks to put your coat on.

Cristina: Because she's summoning some things. Thirteen of them.

Jack: Interesting, no?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what is that room?

Cristina: The teleporter.

Jack: It's a teleporter of some sort, yeah. Why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know why. Also, with all the times they went and ran over talking about there's some dude on the property doing this and that.

Cristina: They were not complaining about her.

Jack: You connected the house all the way to the part of the house you thought that guy was going to. You made the whole house reach that?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why? You made it cover the whole place. Why? And you put this room, this welcome room in the center of the house. Why? Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very strange.

Cristina: It has to do with ghosts. Did they say anything about her seances, things like that?

Jack: When asked why she was building the house in this fashion, there is one line in a newspaper talking about the crazy lady. And the line says that her response is, I'm doing it to please the spirits.

Cristina: Okay, okay, that makes sense. That makes sense.

Jack: So then I gotta go down a different rabbit hole. What spirits are we talking about? Wheelbarrow men. One of the many spirits. But that doesn't seem like he would be bothering her. No, because ghosts don't bother anybody. They couldn't. That's not there. Spirits do. But that doesn't look like a spirit. Now, footsteps coming from nowhere and following people in the house is very different. Then footsteps somewhere in the house.

Cristina: That's what was going on.

Jack: Not that she reported. Again, I'm looking for what has been mentioned about this place. Those things have been reported. Not by her, but yes. Footsteps in the house. Now we have things. We have things. We got a guy who always goes to a cabinet. Echo. Had to be. He's always going to cabinet. Getting the same thing. A pantry. Always. And just kind of stops. It gets there and stops. There's a guy darting across the yard. Looks like he's playing sports. Okay, again, just the repetition. Yeah, that would be horrifying in the middle of the night if you're just wandering it straight across. But. Yeah, but like it happens every night. Same time, same kind of way. Okay. Yeah. Echoes. Why so many? I don't know what weird space time event took place here. Except the only one they claimed that has been seen by people afterwards has been the wheelbarrow man. There weren't other disturbances in this area originally. There was only the wheelbarrow then, which was their initial problem later. And as time went by, we get footsteps. Yep. Footsteps coming from nowhere. We get voices of people they think intruded into the house.

Cristina: This Is after her working on the house that more after she starts.

Jack: Yes. Now you get again, 100. As she starts building the house up. And more and more, it starts getting weirder and weirder. It starts getting way weirder. Eventually, there's voices speaking to the women.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: But they're not saying. It's incoherent. They can describe the same voice, and it's legible. You could tell things. It's telling them.

Cristina: Do you know what they're like? They. They have something.

Jack: No, these things weren't on record per se, but it was more just a record of phrase. Yeah, the record of that. They were, in fact, dealing with people in the walls and whatever. Now, here is a problem. These walls have passageways for days. The. Almost all the walls have a secret passageway. Why? You're hearing voices coming from every direction. Your walls have passageways.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It goes from supernatural to what the f***?

Cristina: To like, she's just crazy and she's haunting her own sisters.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's very strange because, like, yeah, it could just be her. We don't know.

Jack: It could just be her.

Cristina: It could just be a man pranking them real hard. No, he's taking a wheelbarrow and also just running around the house. I don't know.

Jack: Until the things start to move on their own.

Cristina: Okay, then, yes, definitely.

Jack: Hauntings and shapes start to form in dark places.

Cristina: But besides her building random things, is there anything else that she's doing that's weird? I mean, it's pretty weird. I know, but, like, there's nothing else.

Jack: Nothing of now.

Cristina: Just every. What she's doing is somehow summoning or something, you know, like, causing these things.

Jack: She's building a house, and then there's creatures. I can't tell you the house led to the creatures. That's for us to figure out. Yeah, but I can tell you that she built the house and then things started to happen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know that they're connected for a fact. I just couldn't tell you that they're not because that's too prominent.

Cristina: It seems like it has to do. But I'm just saying, like, did she do anything else?

Jack: Built a house?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Loud lightning. Figures in shape start to roam the place the sisters described. Seeing other people in the building at this point, but never being able to catch up to the people in the building.

Cristina: That's crazy. They live there their whole life. Like, even with all this crap happening, they're just like.

Jack: Yeah, they're just paying for it. And they just avoid certain parts of the house.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. Now, the empty room. The empty room is the center of the entire geometric pattern. The empty room features one detail we could not see, but it looked like a closet. The closet is a shrine of sorts.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It is used to hold things for a seance. That is described as the seance room.

Cristina: Okay, then that makes a lot of sense. That makes so much sense. Of course. Of course. Well, was her sisters not involved in that, or was she doing it with other people?

Jack: No, she was doing this alone. She would reject help. Well, she, throughout the course of her life, built this house.

Cristina: Well, what was she obsessed with? Was it bringing back her dead husband? Do they know?

Jack: Other detail to add. The house built completely chaotic. The patterns in the house totally random. Different times of architecture, different styles of architecture from around the world, minus one little detail. One thing that took many, many, many years after this house was open to the public to even find out, which was that the entire house is overlaid with subtle hints of Masonic imagery and detailing.

Cristina: It is Masonic.

Jack: She's a Freemason. Sarah Winchester. Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester was a Freemason before she started building this house. In the middle of the house, she built a room that seems to be the focus, center of whatever's happening in a literal welcome spot, some sort of gateway or something. And the house itself is designed as the key to the portal or whatever.

Cristina: But her being a Freemason, so like, she got the idea from them or something, Like.

Jack: Well, this brings up the next question. Should we be looking at what the. The Freemasons are and how they connect to the bigger picture? This is the first time they cross paths in this kind of way. We've read about their library and things. They hold the knowledge, but. But now we're talking on some s***. We're talking on portal bridging. We're talking on Sarah Sally Lockwood Winchester performing a potentially necromantic trick and her existing in the late 1800s. How would she know? And what the f*** is a Freemason to have the answer to any of that?

Cristina: You think they have some necromancer technology or something? Some knowledge about.

Jack: They know something.

Cristina: They know about Hermes. They know about his studies.

Jack: They might be the rejects. I've had a theory about Alexander, and I've had the theory that he branched off into the weak other fakes that eventually led to the fake philosopher's stones and all this other bullshit that we're familiar with.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I think Alexander the Great because he couldn't Cut it made his own thing with what he did know.

Cristina: And do you think that's related to the Freemason or whole different.

Jack: Might be directly. I can't prove it, no. But yeah, I would go out of my way to do so eventually. But I do believe that there's some connection between maybe not that group specifically, but a group of people who perform a lesser version of what the necromancers did in fact do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I think Alexander led to that. There is a group of people who do that. We've seen imitations that we're like this is kind of sort of. But this isn't. Can't be because of this. And that other thing disqualifies him. And it's like, well, you guys don't have a full picture of what being a necromancer is, but you guys know, normal people don't how.

Cristina: And this lady specifically? Yes.

Jack: Like she may be part of these whack noobs who can at least bridge a gap to the other side. And this would bring in then another picture. Everybody we talk about minus a Greek avoid adrenochrome. But we know current day many, many, many people. And in the past many attempts with adrenochrome have been done other than the philosopher's stone. That's the highest literal called the magnum opus process to get to the perfect philosopher's stone. So there are many wack weak philosopher stones. Yes, I think these guys are ones. I think it's them. I think these people that we've read about doing this.

Cristina: Probably what she was doing. Like she's not making philosopher's stones as far as I can tell.

Jack: Philosopher stones. But she knows enough to bridge a gap.

Cristina: A gate into the shadow realm.

Jack: So I think so. I think so. And I have to tell you important detail because that is sort of the cherry on top of this. The most prominent figure that haunts this mansion following their no longer being in that house is Sarah.

Jack: Do you see the problem here? She built a gate the way Jesus did, didn't she?

Cristina: So that she can.

Jack: But it wasn't complete. Something is wrong. Jesus can walk through. They literally said we saw him here, we saw him way the over there.

Cristina: Thank you. Back here.

Jack: Yeah. But we've also heard things that look so close to being a ghost, except there's some form of free will here. So you're not an echo, you're some other thing. And sometimes we've called them demons, but they're the weird fact that you're stuck in an area we've never been able to solve.

Cristina: No, that's why we just call them ghosts.

Jack: We call them ghosts.

Cristina: We call echoes echoes? Yeah, like, because we don't have better names.

Jack: But now, if we assume a ghost is an echo, then what is this thing with free will? Right? People who might have f****** failed at doing the right thing. Let's use Full Metal Alchemist as an example.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So you try to bring somebody back to life. You get a homunculus because you don't know how to break. You're not God. You're gonna bring somebody back to life. Now, people do know how to do it. But if you.

Cristina: Is that why these deaths are important? Because, like, maybe she feared death after losing the most important people to her. She was like, this isn't gonna happen to me. Or something. Like, I don't know either. She wanted to bring them back, but then, like, does anyone see them?

Jack: She knows, but that the Freemasons are essentially the Fallout Brotherhood. We don't have the answers, but we know how to get the answers. And although they don't want to give us the answers, we'll try our best to do it by force. And it's like, cool, great and all, but also, you don't know where all of them are. And you don't have the full picture. Everything you do is half a** by default, even if you put your full effort into it. Yeah, because you couldn't go full because you don't know what that looks like. That seems to be the case. And all these cases are people who knew, sort of, kind of on average, the steps did the things, but you don't really get it. And you f***** up somewhere in the process. So you're kind of like an echo, but you're not. You're stuck in the middle ground. You trapped yourself in that other place. Archive 81, the show. Everybody go watch that. It's on Netflix. Archive 81. At the very end. Spoiler warning, anybody who hasn't run away, cover your ears. Count to 50 to get trapped in the place. But why? Because the demon knows how to get through. The people don't. They're playing with fire. They don't understand. So what happens? They end up trapped in the limbo equivalent of where he is and where you began. This portal location. They're stuck in the house forever. But why is that the case? Because the house is within proximity and probably there's borders. I'm sure it's a perfect circle at a certain distance. And you can't exit that perfect circle because you would Cease to exist because you got caught in the sort of ripple you caused in space time crossing rifts.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I see that must have happened.

Jack: And there's a specific spot in Clinton Road where it makes perfect sense. There's a f****** castle dead center.

Cristina: They were doing some more stuff.

Jack: Yes. And people think literally Satanists go and f*** around in that place. It's dead center. But this is way larger than the estate. So they were doing some big f****** things. If that's the case. But then this gives us a f****** look into is science. And you're bending space somehow. And if you f*** it up, you can leave it that way.

Cristina: Yes. And that's what happens to all these places. It's usually in the middle of nowhere. Like Clinton Row. We've heard many stories of just like an area that random things happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Mad random things. Not really a house. This is the first time it's a house.

Jack: That's the first time it's a house. We find the center point. But also the castle in Clinton Road is its center point. It just so happens to be that Clinton Road, if you look at the paranormal area, kind of runs far to a side of it. But the entire forest with all the things, the castle's in the center.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Weird. And it kind of gives us a lot of information for a lot of things. Again, the slightest perspectives allows us to look at things that we would have ignored otherwise and. Wait a minute. You mean a room in the middle of the. Whatever. Oh wait. Paranormal activity. Maybe there's a gate here now. Maybe there's gates in a bunch of places. Maybe just looking for the most f****** haunted places is gonna lead us to people who connect directly to the necromancers, who connect directly to the Elysians, connect directly to the current day's Rayleighs. Everything is f****** pieced together.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. So where are we going? What's next?

Jack: Finding out what the most haunted places on earth are? Because those are places that were important to fakers.

Cristina: I feel like we have done that in the past. But I don't think we look to see who went there.

Jack: Who went there matters more than what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we know that what's happening is just some bullshit anomaly in space time.

Cristina: But like was a freemason or some type of group involved? Okay.

Jack: Because it could have been a mistake by somebody who knows what they're doing. Or it could have just been somebody who doesn't know what they're doing.

Cristina: Yeah. Gotta find out. Interesting.

Jack: Interesting. All because of Ms. Freemason herself.

Cristina: But does any of her sisters. Are they ghost too? Or is it just her unknown? It's just her unknown.

Jack: We have no idea for sure. People have claimed so that they've seen.

Cristina: Her sisters as well.

Jack: It's been reported.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's been a bunch of. There's many, many, many, many, many, many, many. If this is what it is, then it's a whacking complete portal and a bunch of s*** comes in and out. But they're trapped within the premises.

Cristina: But it would make sense that her sisters would be trapped. And maybe that's her goal as well. Be like, why would I want to die? What would I want them to die? Type of situation.

Jack: Other things to note. Does she choose this house intentionally because of where it is? Is there a factor you can harness and so you're doing the house here?

Cristina: I don't know. It seems real random because it came from a doctor. It started with the doctor.

Jack: Yeah. The random details about her life. Her moving to San Francisco, California, to begin with. Her and her husband had discussed this before he died. That's their dream. Getaway location.

Cristina: Was to go there.

Jack: Was to go there. So she already had this place in her mind before the story even begins. I don't know why. I don't know if the house was in her mind, but she had the place in her mind.

Cristina: Was he involved? Because then, like, would he know? Like, okay, if I die, this is what you should do.

Jack: Like, unclear.

Cristina: Bring me back or something? Like, was he part of the group? Had they just, like. Was this their plan too?

Jack: Like, it's weird, right?

Cristina: It's weird. Yeah.

Jack: It's a strange, strange situation. It looks like she built a gate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To not only walk through herself, but bring other people through. And she had no idea how to do it the right way.

Cristina: No. But she had at least 13 people in mind. How many sisters are. There's four. No, there's four, including her.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then there's children.

Jack: Yes. And her baby.

Cristina: And her baby and her husband.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How many people there?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe it adds up to 13.

Cristina: Like, what if it did? Everyone's saying, like, it's evil, but what if it's like she's just. There's just 13 of them.

Jack: Yeah. But it is crazy.

Cristina: It is crazy.

Jack: It's a very interesting situation that this lady went ahead and did this. It looks like she built. It looks like she built a portal. The house itself is a design, so it's harder to f*** with. You can't destroy the lines. Unless you break through a wall or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. It's very intentional.

Jack: Very intentional. It's a mess with a room in the center, and she did it, so. And she wanted contractors help, and she didn't trust them. They're not gonna figure it out.

Cristina: No. No. It would be impossible. I don't understand. I don't understand how she even, like, can they find the blueprints she made for this house? Like, is that even a thing?

Jack: F****** nuts, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's what we got. What do you think?

Cristina: I think that's crazy. I think maybe she is part of a group and we should see if we could find that group.

Jack: About that group. We got this point. We could find that group if we could find a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Because then that means people know about.

Jack: Hermes nowadays, even if they don't get it.

Cristina: Yeah. There has to be attempts.

Jack: There has to be attempts. People start trying, we know people are still trying. There's. We know that there's so many factories.

Cristina: Of adrenochromes, but this also, like, feels related to necromancy. The other part that we don't really focus on. Of the dead.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, that's maybe why most people get involved. It has nothing to do with teleporting to other worlds or anything, because they don't even know that's part of the story.

Jack: It could be about coming back themselves.

Cristina: It's just. Yeah. Most of them want to be immortal. Yeah. A lot of them.

Jack: Most of it. Same thing with adrenochrome. If you're doing necromancy, you're thinking immortality. If you're drinking adrenochrome, you're thinking immortality.

Cristina: And you're not ignoring all the. They have no idea about everything else involved. The history, the other worlds, etc.

Jack: None of it. No. 100%. There's a bunch of incomplete images and people f****** s*** up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I'm sure, based on this perspective.

Cristina: We can find it.

Jack: We can find that. I know that at least some of it has to be more situations like this that if you look at. Wow, this area is really haunted. I'm probably gonna start with Clinton Road.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because what the h***, a castle is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what do we have?

Cristina: I don't know. You're gonna find out, though.

Jack: Hopefully.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that's what we got. So that is the Winchester house. You guys can Google that name. And there are a plethora of images. It's open to the public. You can wander. Yeah. Everywhere. You don't need me to show you the images. They are everywhere. Enjoy looking at the Winchester house. There's a lot of information, a lot of it's conflicting, but most of it is out there. Feel free if you want to give us information. Anything you guys figured out, reading, looking, listening to this, ideas you had, whatever. You can hit us on our socials at justconvo, Pod on X, Facebook, Instagram.

Cristina: Tick tock, wherever the Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell people about how awesome this show is and how weird. Sarah Winchester, mother of Salmon Dean.

Cristina: No.

Jack: She had one kid and it died because she was a bad parent.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: S.A.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 01, 2024

Rambling 276: The Point of Gaza

June 01, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the true purpose of what’s happening in Gaza? Do we have similar examples? And if we do, what is Israel really doing and who really are they? The duo now with answers to move forward, evolve the nature of their questioning taking them straight to present day to some astounding revelations. An episode which completely reframes all that is known and reveals dark coming truths for humanity!

+Episode Details

The Gaza Prison State
Israel Origins
Genocide vs Experiment
Who’s the Kingpin?
Prophecies Line Up
The True Big Picture

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, like, we've been talking a lot for years at this point, literally.

Cristina: Has that been years?

Jack: It's literally years. It's literally been years. At this point, it's been like two years. Okay, yeah, about the same s***.

Cristina: But I thought we escaped it. We. I haven't escaped it.

Jack: I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. I thought we escaped it, too. But the lingering question was, right, we solved the bunch, figured out a lot. But there was this question about Yahweh in specific, right? Like, we still don't know a lot about him. And there was a situation about the Tower of Babel that I wanted to talk about before, if you remember. And so the basic premise of that discussion, I'm gonna rush through it because it's useless. I just need you to understand the premise, right? The idea was the Tower of Babel, that Yahweh specifically had a. These desolation guy, and there's a bunch of people who are building a tower to reach him. This metaphor of a tower must have been literally trying to get this amounted or something, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And in the text, it says that he switched their language so they couldn't communicate and work together to continue to build it. That was his solution to the problem. But really, when you look at the depictions, the images that were used in description with those in sync with that time, those kind of look like satellites. So it's more like he was destroying their communication and towers and s***. Right?

Cristina: Do you have pictures of this?

Jack: What are you talking about? It was just, like, images and drawings and then descriptions of them and just a bunch of random bits and pieces. But that's not even what matters because. And we've seen this a thousand times in a million different places. It's interesting, but it's actually not the important thing, because the important thing comes down to what's happening right now. Because it's happening right now with simply following Yahweh. Because following Yahweh, one thing came to mind. Whose God is Yahweh? And he's the God of the Jews. Okay, right, The God of the Jews. So I'm like, okay, coincidence, right? Because the Jews and the Israelis aren't necessarily the same thing.

Cristina: Okay, so you're Going back to what we were talking about last episode kind of sort.

Jack: Right. So the Jews and the Israeli aren't necessarily the same thing. Israel is a new concept. Jews are not. Those are two different concepts. Who we identify as Jews now might not be the state of Israel, might be what we discussed. Right. But Jews, their God was Yahweh. Now current day Jews have a more abstract, ambiguous, kind of less directly spoken of God, but it's almost assumed it's Yahweh, but it's kind of like pretty removed a lot of the time. And Yahweh isn't really the God that is addressed even within the Jewish community. Well, Jehovah. Oh, that's a weird little alteration. Right.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: Well, that happened kind of in modern time, generally speaking, all of Israel kind of always not Jews, but the state of Israel itself. Them, they've always been sort of Jehovah kind of people. Not a New Testament kind of people. They still follow Old Testament. It's still Jewish. But he just kind of say Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's cool and fine, but old Jews used to say Yahweh. Weird, tiny discrepancy. I'm just pointing that out, you know.

Cristina: But it changes in the first book. The Old Testament?

Jack: Yeah. Oh, the original swap, it was used kind of interchangeably in the first one. In the first one. But the Jews of that time used Yahweh. They used Yahweh. The people of that time used Yahweh. Even if both exist.

Cristina: And the Old.

Jack: Yes, they would. They would defer to Yahweh first.

Cristina: Okay, and what was the other name?

Jack: The other name is Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So there was still a distinction. They felt one was superior to the other.

Cristina: Even though it's the same person.

Jack: No one's the father and the other is the son. Wait, Yahweh is Jehovah's father?

Cristina: Okay. No, I mean in the book, though. It's not really. It's the same person in the book.

Jack: Well, let me trip you out. The Jews already knew this and have kind of a tree in some form where they've kind of linguistically divided it. They already believe Yahweh is above Jehovah. They don't say one is. They're even related. But conceptually they've actually divided and created a distinction between that within how they explain their religion to people and how they preach it. There's a clear distinction between those two entities.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. And people have related their sort of explanation of it. To father and son.

Cristina: But those people don't believe there's a father and a son.

Jack: No, they don't. They, the Jews themselves don't use that terminology. That's people trying to relate it to. Like, this is the best way I can explain the same idea.

Cristina: That's strange. Okay.

Jack: Juicer way thought out. They're above everybody. They're essentially following not even of religion as much as what seems to be a literal map of what kind of reality exists upon. They don't believe in a heaven per se. They believe there's a possible maybe something.

Cristina: Possibly something which sounds like.

Jack: Well, it depends on what you do. And what does that sound like? Well, are you going to just dissipate in peace or go to some kind of hellish place which isn't literally h***, it's some kind of other place like. That sounds like their belief. It's just some maybe something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And okay, that lines up. And they're not like, well, we can't really comprehend God.

Cristina: He's just another thing they worship. You're saying people. Yes, but those people are from the sea people. They're worshiping sea people at the end of the day, like did the ancient ones. Were they actually worshipping sea people?

Jack: Worship is our interpretation of it. Keep in mind, when we're referring to gods, the word God ultimately devolves down to the original root of person of intellect, person of authority, elite person of power. It's just with time and losing things and pieces here and there, you don't. People don't see the whole picture, which was our job.

Cristina: Okay. But in the last episode, we decided those were actually shadow people.

Jack: It seems to be that. Yes. That the state of Israel is shadow people. Yes.

Cristina: Well, does that make sense, though?

Jack: It makes sense when they are described specifically as the ones from the other side by everybody else.

Cristina: But once upon a time they had communication with the sea people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And they were worshiping them.

Jack: No, they're not worshiping the sea people. Where are you getting the worship?

Cristina: Well, they felt some kind of way towards them, that they were above them.

Jack: Yes, they definitely. It's possible that because of the technology. Keep in mind that these are the oppressors.

Cristina: But they still.

Jack: We look at it like they're describing gods. We never said their gods are good to them. In fact, all of these people think these gods are monstrous and will hurt you. The word God does not mean benevolent in any instance, we've used it. And also, we don't even mean God when we use it. Okay, but every time we've used God. All those people think, oh, he's wrathful and gonna murder you. So none of them are like, we worship this guy. They're more like, we're gonna follow his orders. Cuz f*** that.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You get my point. There's no worship in this old school. People weren't dumb like that. They weren't like, we got a war. They don't believe this s***. People nowadays do. People nowadays are idiots. They're like, no, there was a literal deity or something. These people were like, no. Those people basically own all this s*** that says I can't do anything about it. So I'm just gonna do whatever they want me to do because they don't need me. And it's really easy to get rid of me, so I'll be as useful as possible.

Cristina: But then something happened and that changed.

Jack: The Great War. The unification is what I'm calling it. The great Unification that happened at some point between, just by chance, between the year 6 BC and 4 AD which weirdly enough happens to coincide with the migration of the random group of people. We can tell because of the genetic marker of the J1 that comes from the neck of the Persian Gulf oasis, leaving around 6 BC to sometime around 4 AD and breaking up into three groups that scatter north, west and southwest, landing in Gaza. See, and at the same time, all mention of Elysians ceases. Everywhere the sudden beginning mentions of Israel first happen and we get the invention of the first ever, consistently always foreign own slave state. Now this is incredibly important because of what's happening in this slave state. This slave state is a very interesting location. Again, just following the train of thought of Yahweh, I come to the Jews and then the Jews just happen to be related to the Israelis because, you know, logistically in the same location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I then start looking at the Jews because I'm not really paying attention to the Israelis. Really. We just quickly address the fact that they might just be shadow people who joined the group of people who were against the Elysians to begin with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which checks out. It makes sense as a strategic approach in life. You know, join the people who aren't the. Who are the good people in your eyes as compared to who are the bad people in everybody's eyes. You know, it's a great war, everybody's friends. Yeah, it makes sense. And so the Jews, notorious for definitely not being on the Elysian side, okay, you know, is who these Rayleigh state, AKA a bunch of shadow people who then turn themselves into just normal day humans. It coexists. It makes perfect sense. Right?

Cristina: Right.

Jack: But we have this state. And I think about what we were talking about last time, Right. We're talking about the migration pattern and how it broke up into these three different things. But a question came to me after the episode, which unpacking, the question got really, really, really dark, really, really quickly. Ran. I asked, but how do we know there's migration patterns if we killed them off? And that's the ones that are left, minus the ones that got away elsewhere. Right. Well, what's the migration pattern? It's DNA traces over time. So it took them time, they migrated at normal people speeds. They were trying to blend in. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we can trace their DNA with current day science. We couldn't then. They had that science, but they knew we didn't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they blended in the people and made their way out. Hence the slow migration. They impregnated women throughout the time. Some blended in, whatever. They diluted themselves and disappeared into the populations. We can trace where the purity kept going as the line kept moving. So why didn't we eradicate those people? Right. We can trace the same J1 marker.

Cristina: Mm. You're saying those people as in the other two locations?

Jack: Yeah, the other two paths of the J1. A variation of DNA that we don't. We haven't killed those people that have it. But we know we don't follow the migration line. We just know that there is the Gaza line, the Gaza spot and where it began. And we got those other two lines. The two lines. We don't eradicate any of that. And the line in Gaza going to Gaza. No. But we have Gaza trapped. What's the difference from Gaza and those lines? And I had a theory about this. And then when I thought about this theory, I didn't looked into it, into how things work in it. Well, I didn't look into how things work. I looked into my theory and it told me how things work. I'll explain.

Cristina: You looked into your own theory?

Jack: Yes, I looked into my own theory. I looked at aspects of my theory.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did some research.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And found weirder things about how things work.

Cristina: All right, and what was your theory?

Jack: So current day Israel is holding hostage current day Gaza.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We all know this. There's a blockade. Everybody else is kind of like let it happen, but what's really happening. Right. So currently Israel has currently Gaza just nice and boxed in. And I was looking at patterns. What often does this and for what purposes? Might somebody else.

Cristina: Trap another country or.

Jack: Something like not necessarily Country. I'm trying to remove myself from any idea that might connect back to war. I try to always remove myself to get different perspective. So what paths can lead to it, to a similar look? Well, scientists, oftentimes that's an initial. Once I saw scientists, I was like, let me click that f****** thing right there, bruh. Scientists tend to isolate a specific genetic variant in order to preserve just its evolutionary concentration. Right. What does this mean? We can have a pure version of something that's less influenced by the external world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fact, we can trace the genetic markers because of the migration line. Fact, there are two genetic variants, the lines themselves and the B1. B that came from the J1, that exists only in Gaza, which is sort of refined alternative. Just purified there by itself. Not purified, but it's more pure than the rest of us. Just a more concentrated version of the J1. Interesting. Why do scientists do this? Well, they do that to research these specific things. Okay. Yeah. When you have like a creature in isolation, you have less influence from the external world. This is great for genetics and things when you're studying biology and stuff, not when you're studying natural responses and psychology and behaviors. Because isolation is bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you can create sort of a fake habitat and have them enclose within that fake habitat, which isn't really fake habitat. It's natural environment usually just protected from anybody going in or out. Then in that controlled environment, they're sort of less exposed to the outside world, but you still have access to the creature sort of living in its natural environment, staying as natural as possible. And this is usually how we preserve things from going extinct. What does preserving something from going extinct mean? The bird, the animal, the dog, the cat, whatever, isn't going to mate with some other things. It's going to mate with its own kind because it's trapped inside these walls with its own kind and it can multiply into more pure versions of itself.

Cristina: We do that with animals.

Jack: We do that with animals all the time. That's what natural preserves, enclosures are. Animals can keep reproducing among themselves and not diluting themselves. And that's sort of what's happening genetically inside of Gaza. We can tell that the people there have a specific, more concentrated version of a very specific genetic marker. They happen to have started at Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: You think that's important to why they're being trapped in the first place?

Jack: Yes, because now I have to talk numbers again. This was just what, what might look like this in the world. And it led to scientists this Led me to the next point, which is essentially just a numbers question. Right. Once I start discussing the numbers, you're gonna get a lot of where I'm going with this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. All right. 7 million humans is one instance. 50 million Neanderthals is another instance. And about a hundred to a thousand alfamers is another instant. These are different variations, different quantities that it took to create different stones.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, duh. Oh, duh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So 7 million humans. It's the most recent stone we can, like, track. That was pretty big.

Cristina: How many people are there?

Jack: It's getting to the hundreds of thousands.

Cristina: That feels like not enough.

Jack: Well, let's talk about these numbers again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was the most primitive stone we can think of before the concept of our time existing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Before, the concept of our time existing was a thousand. Roughly a thousand. The most could have been a thousand based on what's left in disgust. Elfamers. About a thousand. Very small number. Very primitive. S***** stone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very low number. Really good stone. It couldn't make a universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ooh, Kind of interesting.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: 50 million Neanderthals. Whack DNA takes a lot. Stone was so s*****, it took another try.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: S***. You know, too whack of DNA. It's.

Cristina: But this is not whack DNA.

Jack: We're going back up, right? Because the most recent human stones was against Jews, right? 7 million. Using the Jews. Right. Using what? Specific Jews. Right. The Jews of Israel. Right. Those are what? Those are just gin, Right. That's a really strong stone. Right. So if you're gonna retaliate, you need a pretty strong f****** stone. Right? But you've always had your f****** ace in your back pocket. And we're talking scales of hundreds of thousands of years. This is a quick retaliation. Oof. Not really. Hundreds of thousands, Usually thousands of years. But yeah, a hundred years is a quick retaliation. It's really, really quick. Okay, so we're talking that these guys are making a pretty overpowered stone. If you're using Elysian DNA to make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's. Potentially. They're calculating. The strongest stone ever made use is the equivalent of the weapons of mass destructions that we think exists, but secretly in the background. This is the real power. This is what people are really scared of. This is the true fear. And the problem is there's a very reminiscent thought that just happens to be a cartoon that really gives me a really good image of what's happening and why other people might already be stepping back. Because a lot of people stepped back right at the Beginning. And they're like, f***, bro. But why?

Cristina: Seem like some people are trying.

Jack: Yes, but what is the caution? Right? We know. We know a lot already. It's possible that these are just op gin. The tech is already up there. We can't do anything about these people to begin with. But there was a very vivid image I have, if you remember in Full Metal Alchemist, what made the military particularly dangerous?

Cristina: The fake stones. They're not fake, but, like, they had real stones, but they were wax stones.

Jack: They were small stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ring size, like a diamond ring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Tiny stones. Yeah, but they were real stones. But what about the stones made it great? Then everybody had one. The generals of every group, soldiers had guns, but the guy at the top of every tree, he had a stone. He worked his way to a stone, and he had to learn alchemy and do his homework.

Cristina: I think they just have a bunch of little stones.

Jack: I think we are in a situation where they've learned to casualize the ability to use these stones. And we've witnessed the flex. Like, maybe they've had it. And that's why we've been like, well, we're not gonna do it. They come from the other side, and they just become human. I think since that point, since the formation of Israel, they've had this, and nobody's gonna touch them. And then the first people to try their best to do so. Well, I mean, the state of Israel gets formed after N*** Germany.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Didn't even exist until then. It's a response to that.

Cristina: Okay, you think they have stones, though?

Jack: I think at that point. I think at that point, they have stones. The state of Israel is controlled by essentially, quote, the generals with the stones, unquote, which are not really generals or military figures, but rather people of importance who have the ability to do real important damage on an interestingly overpowered scale. And that because of this, everybody has always just kind of done whatever. But the moment finally came. They told us, oh, yeah, we'll end this for you, but one day we're gonna do the thing. Because we have to.

Cristina: I don't want to just like, whatever.

Jack: And like, yeah, we're like, whatever. We'll deal with it then solve the problem now. Because we're stupid humans. We're stupid f****** humans. We're dumb. We think so. Short term, it's ridiculous. Part of the lifespan is retarded short. So, like, what the f*** would we do?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, we think in our. In the terms of our lifespan, they're thinking in the terms of theirs it's not the same to them. That short blip is really tiny scoped. But no, we, we considered our whole life. It's like you're just considering a longer span and you're judging us. But ultimately these guys, no one can do anything. Nobody can do anything. And I think that's the big problem. And right now they are starting to form a really overpowered stone, more powerful than any that has been formed until now.

Cristina: Where? What, what are they gonna do then? What. What's the next step? They make the stone and then what?

Jack: I don't know. We'll just won't hear about them. It'll go back to normal. No, they won't leave. It'll just quiet down. They're gonna get their thing accomplished and that's it.

Cristina: You think they won't just escape out of here or something like the next step like all everyone else with their stones?

Jack: Yes, but not in our time. Time span. We're not going to see that happen. Oh, the next. Keep in mind they're performing at their time span, not ours. We're thinking, oh, within our time span of life. We don't know. We're not gonna see that happen.

Cristina: But it's gonna happen eventually.

Jack: Presumably. Yeah, within a couple of hundred years to a few thousand years or some thinking hundreds of years. Based on the time scope that we see, everything happens within dozens to hundreds. It seems to be the regular time frame of LEAPS. 300 years seems to be the average good jump from one point to another.

Cristina: That's crazy though. That's crazy.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That they're just making a stone?

Jack: Yeah. But it kind of checks out, right?

Cristina: Just waiting for the stone to be made.

Jack: Yeah. And this question was just stuck in my head when I was just wondering.

Cristina: What could they possibly be doing?

Jack: Not even what could they be doing, but why. Why did I know about the. The path of DNA?

Cristina: What did you know?

Jack: Well, I didn't know. I did research.

Cristina: Why did someone know?

Jack: Yeah, why did. Why did ancestry look at this? How did. What was the point? How did they get. Not why, obviously I don't know why they looked at everyone. How did they know that that existed? Right, but what's the answer to the question is because there's people with the DNA. So wait, you didn't kill everybody with the DNA? Duh. So then what does that mean? That means that there's something specific about the people over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then what's specific about the people over there? That's not. You're just imprisoning the ones you could catch. No, there's a. There were a bunch. And you ignored them. You caught some for a reason. And then I was like, why the. What else could look like this? Well, scientists do this to preserve things, to keep things purer, which we can prove because they actually have a more concentrated version of the same DNA. And what does adrenochrome work with? It works with blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the higher quality of the blood, the better the stone, which is proven. Although never discussed explicitly other than through the events. But the numbers line up with the events. You need less numbers if you have a purer blood and you usually use a stone and some other kind of thing to try to make a purer creature to then use to make a better stone. There's a process they were always going through.

Cristina: Mm. So there's gonna be something next, then? Yes, next evolution is coming up.

Jack: It depends how long it takes from the stone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because. Yes, that was the other problem. Right. I'm like, okay, so the state of Israel happens, and then we discuss that, and we ignore the one fact that happens. Following that logic. Well, that group of individuals is what then? Well, the ones who could cross and turn themselves. Those are the elite scientists. That's also why those are the ones we're scared of. Those are currently the strongest, most powerful thing out here. Those are the ones who are gonna take the place of the Elysians. That's why everybody's horrified, too, because what we stopped is starting again.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: And we're watching it happen. And we know at any moment it could be f****** any of us. But we helped them, and now we have to pay. It's essentially the demon crossroads problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I will reward you with whatever the f*** you want right now, but I am coming for you.

Cristina: And that's pretty much what happened. Okay. Yeah. Everyone had a problem.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The humans came and, like, we can help you.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, crap. Mel. Are gonna be our problem. And we just got to watch and wait. That's weird. It's really strange. Yeah.

Jack: And it's weird because they didn't even help us stop the Alicians. They helped us to stop the Germans. That's it. They rolled up and helped to stop other humans. It was easy for them to do. So easy for them to do. They did it through the United States. So easy for them to do. Simple. Simple, effortless. Because what? We can push humans around like nothing, but we're coming for you.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's too crazy.

Jack: We successfully spent almost 2000 years. Well, I guess we didn't make it the 2000 years roughly because that was sometime in the 40s and now it's 2024. So you know we, we cleared the 2000 year mark of having suppressed the issue, but we made a deal with the devil and not really. They're not bad people. We gotta continue the thought creatures that can easily do the thing aren't thinking of us as people. That's really all that's happening.

Cristina: We're not equal to them.

Jack: We're not equal. We're smaller, less significant things that could be easily manipulated.

Cristina: Which we were.

Jack: Which we were. And we're still being. So it's pretty cut and dry. And the moment finally arrived then we're watching it happen and we're kind of all shook but talking about in the background like how do we stop it? We can't, we can't just jump in. It would be too easy for them to end it all right now and go start somewhere else. It would be too easy. We invited this in. So how do we think our way out of the problem? First point of action.

Cristina: You have a plan?

Jack: Well, no, this is the p. This is, I'm assuming the world at the moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: First point of action. The people of Gaza are f*****. We just have to let that happen. So that's a distraction while we talk, while we plan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While we figure it out. That's our timeline. Because one, we already can't stop them. Two once that's done, we'll never stop them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we gotta move to Mars. That's a, that's a possibility for sure. And the fact that. So the, the second thing, I don't know if you've looked at this and we can. If you want to.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Many, many, many, many, many billionaires and high hundred multi millionaires have been buying bunkers and buying seats to go visit Mars.

Cristina: That's not shocking, but okay. What can we do with that though?

Jack: Just all been happening. Buying seeds to leave the planet. Buying seeds to go underground.

Cristina: Yeah, because they know.

Jack: Because they know.

Cristina: What can you do? I don't know. It's very Egypt and my. What's the other people? Males.

Jack: Also how reminiscent of Horizon zero Dawn is the Mayans solution to hiding from the incoming apocalypse that they were experiencing.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the other people that went into space.

Jack: And then the other people went to space. Egyptians.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, it always, it's always the same. It's always the same. It's literally history repeating itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just away from baseland. That's it.

Cristina: And it's gonna happen.

Jack: And it's gonna happen again. Holy. We're seeing history happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, that's crazy. That's really cool.

Cristina: That's cool that it happened in Horizon. We didn't even realize it.

Jack: Yeah. That's pretty badass. Good on them. That's fire. That's fire. I like that. D***. And we have neither.

Cristina: Neither. No.

Jack: No. Because we know the base is. That's just happening. So this is getting wiped out. We're part of the you're f***** group.

Cristina: No, we're not. We have.

Jack: Our bunk is not deep enough. We're not like Illuminati bunk. Our bunk is like, meh. Like a good. Like a missile directly hitting our territory.

Cristina: We can hide in one of the many locations where the Loch Ness monsters were protecting those random labs.

Jack: No, that's fair.

Cristina: Is that good?

Jack: Yeah. 100. And we're some of the only people who even know how to reach that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then that's kind of fire.

Cristina: We have something that's fair.

Jack: That makes a lot of sense. We act fair enough. We actually have a lot of. We could do the spacing too. That just kind of sucks.

Cristina: Does this look. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Like, we can just use the. The pyramid and like, warp out. But the problem is we sent a whole group of people there and that's just still nothing. So, like. Nah.

Cristina: We could some. No. How could we. Because we haven't figured it out. Travel to the place of the people that are listening to us.

Jack: Oh, crap. You mean Universe Three?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't even know how we would accomplish that.

Cristina: That's an idea. Very Full Metal Alchemist, then.

Jack: Yeah. Escape through those means hop through a portal or somehow. I mean, anything. Right? Because what's coming. Ultimately a group of people who are way more powerful than us are going to begin experimenting to advance their civilization, I guess. Or themselves to get out of here.

Cristina: Probably like everyone else. But out of this reality into Althaim?

Jack: I don't even know. Well. What. You pose a different argument, which we're still looking into, which is that it's not just out, but it's also creating universes of their own.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: And it's like. That's even more valuable because many of.

Cristina: Us do they have to sacrifice to do that?

Jack: How many of us do they have to sacrifice to do that? Keep in mind it looks like earthrealm itself is some sort of farm of elf fame. People of some degree. We're all sharing somehow that DNA. And the lesions are the Purest version of that.

Cristina: It's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. So, like, if you're trying to make something pure and then make a universe, you come here to do it. You leave the shadow realm, you come here.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: And then you find the purest thing here, which are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: S***. Just so happens to be where they're at and exactly who they happen to be killing. What the f***?

Cristina: To make a new something. Yeah.

Jack: Just so happens to be what's happening. What the f*** are the odds?

Cristina: It makes sense though, right?

Jack: What the f***? Unless it's the most exact coincidence in all the f****** time. It is step by step what would need to happen. And it is literally what is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, I don't know what to tell you guys. If there was ever a clearer image of some weird supernatural that just so happens to not be. I mean, at this point, I don't even think about it as supernatural. I've. It. I've rationalized it into technology.

Cristina: Yeah, me too.

Jack: You know, like, I've seen enough. I've seen it. We've seen images of literal tech. Our attack, it's just not our tech. It's just not our tech. But it's just foreign enough that it looks like magic. But then we look at it and it's like, well, that guy wasn't shooting energy out of a pot because magic. No, there was a. It was a battery, bro. And we saw it and we saw the inside. It's like, oh, I get it now. And then. Oh, my God, the staff. And he was controlling magnetism and electricity. Well, it was a staff wrapped in coils with a metal rod inside of it. And he was in an area that was intentionally built with a magnetic sphere around it, bouncing electrical currents that he could then manipulate with the rod. It was intentional. Yes. Of course it looked like he was controlling it, because that was the f****** goal of the technology. It's like, oh, with enough time and enough different angles of literally seeing it. Yeah. I no longer see it as magic and stuff.

Cristina: But we're in danger.

Jack: Oh, yeah, We're. We're. We're very. I don't know how we would solve this problem other than leaving, which seems to be what everybody who doesn't want.

Cristina: To bother seems like the problem. I mean, the solution. It seems like what everyone's doing is it's got to be out. No up or down, up or down.

Jack: But I'll tell you one thing. The last uprising worked.

Cristina: The last up. Right.

Jack: Think about it. The last uprising worked. Although these guys Jumped on the opportunity to capture a group of them because they knew what was coming. They knew. Wait, you guys will jump, we'll help you guys. And we're gonna trap this group of people. Anybody can own this s***. But we're eventually going to show up and we're going to establish ourselves and this group of people. We want that this group of people, you need to make sure that group of people 1 stay pure. We don't give a f*** who owns that group of people. It stays f****** pure or we eat you guys instead.

Cristina: What do you mean by an uprising?

Jack: The uprising that happened at the time of Jesus, when the Alicians were first broadcasted to the world their location and that the big war happened and that at that point, these people, these jinn who assisted in the act, who were the shadow gods, they show up and they help with this situation to suppress the Elysians, because they weren't even with them, they're against them. Right? So they roll up, they help the people. We successfully suppress the Alicians, they give one rule for their whole thing eventually. We want that group of people. So you keep that group of people? Yeah, that's why we've seen that their DNA manages to be completely purified, essentially. Well, not purified, but still diluted, but way less than the rest of us. And it simultaneously managed to be owned by different people, which you think it would mix and be diluted. But still with regardless of whose hands it was in, they followed the one rule of that stays pure.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: And then World War II happens, they roll up, help solve the problem. Now we got the straight of Israel, totally unrelated to f****** Gaza. Just okay, but unrelated to f****** Gaza. They're just. Yeah, we're just taking. We just. We just own that now, guys. And everybody's like, well, they just own that now, guys. We don't. Yep, that's what it is. What the f***?

Cristina: I mean, it was theirs before they got there.

Jack: I guess that's the argument. But there's no such thing. Palestine always owned Gaza. Israel doesn't exist. In fact, Israel is a chunk of Palestine.

Cristina: Oh, but how, what can you do about shadow people?

Jack: Well, we know an uprising happened and succeeded at the time of Jesus. And it was for somebody more powerful, so much more powerful that even the shadow people jumped in to assist stopping the problem.

Cristina: But the shadow people were helping us with the sea people.

Jack: Yes, and then they rolled up and assisted for World War II. And then.

Cristina: Are you saying that someone else or something else is gonna help us with them?

Jack: No, I'm Saying that we still managed to stop the sea people. So an uprising succeeded. So an uprising can succeed, but it.

Cristina: Was with help of outsiders. I don't know.

Jack: Yes, but presumably those outsiders at. No, man, I was. My point went out the window once I thought about it right now. Because I'm gonna say those outsiders at that point were about as technologically advanced as we are now. But that's a lie. They were definitely way ahead of where we are now, even. Yeah, by like, a lot. Yeah, maybe not by like a lot.

Cristina: But like, enough from them to be able to change their bodies from whatever they were to whatever we are.

Jack: Like, we're looking at their, like, crazy tech. Yeah, they're like 2,000 years. No. Yeah, because we gotta think that they were really. When we see them swinging some kind of real ham of technology, it's like still 12, 000 years.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like fog. Okay, so 12, 000 years before we.

Cristina: Get the crisis, hope that the sea people that are hiding pops up and defends us from them.

Jack: Why would they defend us?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: You know what's confusing about this? Because Jehovah was like, but you're killing the people and giving them the technology. But I guess when you think about it, it's more about we can't harvest them if they're dead. Yeah, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, why are you killing the cattle, bro? We can't keep killing the cattle, bro.

Cristina: You can't keep killing.

Jack: It's like. Is that. I guess. Yeah, I guess you could still explain it away. Fair enough. Fair enough. I was gonna try to jump on his defense now, but no, he's still pretty horrible because he was f******. Because I'm like, why is he experimenting on us and then defending us? And it's like, oh, no, he's just making sure we don't die.

Cristina: Yeah, you need some of us alive to continue experimenting.

Jack: Yeah. And you can't just f****** give them all tech and then they all collapse. Yeah, the whole line of the f****** equator, except the Alicia. The Egyptians collapse. Everybody. All of them. Except the Egyptians, of course. Of course. Stop, bro. Lucifer, homie. Come on, bro. I know you mean well, dog. Look, look, Dab me up, bro. You know, I. I respect what you're trying to do, bro, but you keep killing them and, like, they're just f****** dumb creatures, bro. Don't give them this s*** and then show them, and then they're just gonna try to kill the next guy.

Cristina: Yeah, it was just death. Like, if it was making stones, at least that'd be cool, but, like, it was wasted death.

Jack: It was wasted death. Exactly. Just trying to make intelligence happen. And it's like, come on, bro, it takes time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or jump on board the project of breeding something that could learn faster, which is what everybody's trying to do. Why are you just trying to. I guess the shortcut. Fair enough.

Cristina: How they're here.

Jack: Okay. I lost a little respect for him. Fair enough. Fair enough. I see the problem. I see the problem. If we're people of honor and everybody else is doing the hard work and this m*********** is like. But maybe one of them will just miraculously work out and then we'll be done and. Except that never really happened. Playing the slow game might have worked out, but why? Because the ones that went to Norway and the ones that went to the Atlantic can monitor us and watch us and see where we're all. We're almost there anyways. Playing the slow game. Yeah.

Cristina: No countless of deaths involved, except for.

Jack: Like, what we caused to ourselves. And now the problem. Showing the shortcuts. Showing up again.

Cristina: Yeah, the shortcut. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: That is always a danger.

Jack: That is always a danger. Oh, my God. There was a good guy.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: Well, it wasn't a good guy. There was a bad guy because a bunch of amoral s*** happening.

Cristina: Yes. So you can't really say anyone was specifically a good guy. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. So there was a bunch of amoral s*** and then one exceptionally s***** guy who was like. But the shortcut to being immoral.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if a bunch of them died. Cool, man. But some of them will work out. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's kind of s*****. That's pretty bad.

Cristina: It's pretty bad. Yeah.

Jack: He seems. I guess. Oh, man. Lucifer is clever, Right? Because also the way the argument gets twisted by his point of view is he means well. He wants you to know stuff, but he excludes what the cost is.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: Death, most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He leaves that part out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it looks. It looks great. When you look, you don't see the results.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything if it doesn't kill you. Is the whole sentence.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's really the whole sentence. Hey, everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And then he just, like, you know, mumbled the rest of it. Hey, everybody. Everybody, eat the fruit. You'll know everything. And.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, and it's like, what?

Cristina: We had, like, a giant contract, you Gotta accept. But you don't read all the terms. And somewhere in the back it was like.

Jack: And it was, it wasn't even in the back. It was just really exceptionally small and in parentheses and in the corner so it looks like an explanation to some other. And you're like, well no, I, I understood. I don't have to read the explanation because they lie to you. And like the first five times you see that same format of really tiny in parentheses in the corner. It was an explanation. And you tuned out by the third one. But the fourth one, that's the one that was actually the unrelated true clause.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you never read because you tuned out. You're like, it's more explanations. And that was clear enough. You know, just.

Cristina: That's exactly what happened.

Jack: That's exactly what he does. He's just smart enough to. He's Fox versus cnm. It's the same information. But you know, he decided to just say but I give you information all the time. And like nothing else.

Cristina: He's as bad as our journalism.

Jack: He's. He's as bad as our journalism. A thousand percent.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is a fact. I mean. But all sides are. Everybody's just painting their picture.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: We can't trust any of it. We've even come across any of this information grabbing a thousand different sources at the same time and cross reference all of it. Because everybody's lying all the time. Only what everybody agrees on can we say is true. The rest is twisted by everybody.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: Yeah. Basically, if it's about group A, I need to see what group B and C say. Because group A lied about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it can't. If group A is talking about group B then I can't ask group B either. I have to look at what group C and D believe about the situation between group A and B. It's the only way I can tell the truth. Cuz both those m************ are gonna be biased as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the only way to ever get data.

Cristina: And that's two will also be a little bit biased because they're getting something out of it.

Jack: Yes. They only wrote it down because of the benefit to.

Cristina: So you know. Exactly.

Jack: You gotta get far enough. That's the problem. If you get too far, the information falls apart. And if you get too close, well, the information falls apart. It's just all lies.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you need to have this medium of like, I'm far enough that it's not just propaganda and I'm close enough that it's not just random gibberish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's like a cohesive. I can get enough at this distance, perspectives. It looks right. And I get a whole image, which is a pain in the a** that we have to do this all the time.

Cristina: But what's our job?

Jack: It's literally our job. What the f*** else can we do? How else are we supposed to get to the bottom of the truth of the situation?

Cristina: Well, we did it, though. I think.

Jack: I think. I think. Yeah.

Cristina: Unless Jesus pops up.

Jack: I don't know. Well, that's the next problem here, Right? And you know what's really weird about it? But it kind of means the Bible's not lying. Let's think about it. Creatures from the shadow realm, what we would describe as h*** in a Bible roll up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They begin what we would describe as the Apocalypse. Although it's happened before from our point of view, it's gonna satisfy that idea because they're gonna try to eat everything in Earth on Earth. Not literally eat, but, you know, kill us through experimentation and enslave us. And essentially h*** on Earth for just humans.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: But then Jesus shows up again. Again is the key word, because it would be again. And so him showing up is like, well, I'mma do what? I'm going to save the people. Specifically, who will? His people and everybody else who isn't the creatures that came from our proverbial h***. Weirdly enough, that's the apocalypse in the Bible. What the f***? But who said it would happen? F****** Jesus. The psychic.

Cristina: That. Yes. Okay. So, like, I also know that that's gonna happen.

Jack: Yes. He knew the whole time. He called it all.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah, that's part of being a necromancer. Yes.

Jack: He just. This is meaningless to him. He knows. He just kind of smacked them around casually whenever he feels bored enough to get involved.

Cristina: For that stone. Maybe.

Jack: He's gonna let them make it, isn't he?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Because he's also a neutral party after the disaster. And then we're like, yes, finally. He's finally here to save us or whatever. But it's like, it's really for that stone.

Jack: Yeah. He's gonna stop the rest from happening. But he's like, yeah, the Alicians.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he doesn't care.

Jack: He doesn't give a. He specifically hates them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The Alicia. Yes. No stone. Will he ever want more than that stone?

Cristina: The one out of the people he hates the most.

Jack: Yes. He's been waiting for this day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He probably been casually feeding these Information to come and take that stone, make it themselves.

Cristina: And she's like, this all probably started with him somehow.

Jack: Yeah, he. I mean, so he called it at the beginning. He literally said every part of it and every part is happening. And he. I mean, he said it's the master plan.

Cristina: Well, this is probably how he got the stone in the Shadow Realms.

Jack: Easily.

Cristina: Because he too overpowered. Yes, but, like, the shadow people in that place are probably shadow people he met during that adventure or whatever. Like, how did he get it? Like, how did he walk in? Did, like, what. What happened to those things that were there? Maybe those were his armies. Because we know he did bring back people. He brought back people?

Jack: Yes, he did. He brought two stones and he brought back people. Yeah. It's a craft.

Cristina: Those could be the sh. Those same shadow people there right now might be his people that he brought back in that moment.

Jack: S***. You know specifically who he brought back. Prisoners of Yahweh.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***. Oh, man. That's on point. Wow.

Cristina: It all goes back. It does all make sense.

Jack: It does all make.

Cristina: It does make sense. Oh, my gosh. Of course he knows what's gonna happen. Those are. He planned it.

Jack: He planned it. Every part.

Cristina: He's waiting for it to happen.

Jack: Not even waiting. He could have blinked. For him, it could have been a split second. From being over there to being at the other end in the future. At some point, I'm like, okay, now let me collect the stone.

Cristina: Yeah, it's all for the stone. And we're just going to be cool with it because, like, it's Jesus.

Jack: It's. Jesus is going to roll up and be like, that was. Yeah, this was part of my plan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're all going to like, oh, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Like, who's going to say anything? Yeah, nothing's gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna be like.

Cristina: People are gonna freak out and we're gonna have, like, people killing each other. Well, yeah, there's no. No one's gonna stop him.

Jack: And he's literally just gonna prove he's Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, he's not gonna.

Jack: Like, he doesn't care. He's probably, like, I'm sure Hermes consistently all that. He didn't show anybody how to become. That's different. He had to. You gotta be. You know, you gotta acquire the knowledge to learn how to become a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm sure he gladly showed everybody how he was a necromancer. You know, just like, oh, that's why the Jesus with the f****** walk on water and wine things casually. These guys bringing people back from the.

Cristina: Dead just to show.

Jack: Just for show. Yeah, magic tricks of all sorts. Bread and fish and this and that.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, it's gonna be the Messiah. The show all over again.

Jack: Yeah, man. No, I think, I think. Well, it's complicated, isn't it? He really did plan the whole f****** thing. It lines up.

Cristina: Yeah. He's gonna pop up and talked about it.

Jack: He said, oh, yeah, it's gonna happen and there's nothing any of you could do about it.

Cristina: And like his people, he brought them there. They're not just shadow. They're just not random shadow realm people that said, hey, we're gonna protect you. No, they were his specific shadow realm people that told us that they're gonna protect us because he told them to say that.

Jack: Yeah. And he'll easily get rid of the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is effortless. You could control everybody effortlessly. They swear this part. They swear this. This is their plan too, I bet. Yeah. I don't think they're word. They think, oh, we're working with Jesus. I think they think this is their plan.

Cristina: Yeah. He brought them back and they're like, yeah, this is what he wanted and that's it. But they're not questioning why. Or maybe they are, who knows? But that's so crazy because he knew and they're not gonna do anything about it.

Jack: No, it's nuts. This is crazy, man. He specifically saved the prisoners of Yahweh, which are the Jews of Yahweh. The tide with Yahweh. He was just. Yo, that's crazy.

Cristina: Then they have to know his plan. They are not just protecting those people out of an agreement to make them into stone. Like it has to be because Jesus want that. And they know the plan is to turn him into a stone so Jesus can have it. He saved them. The he. They must have a deal with him. He's the true devil at the crossroads.

Jack: Yeah. He is the devil at the crossroad. He's the top of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh. Oh, d***. That makes perfect sense. Well, whatever. We are out of time. But crazy.

Cristina: I understand why the people were afraid. Now we see it.

Jack: Now we see it. Now we see it.

Cristina: Them.

Jack: Yeah. Well, that group of sea people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We might actually see the whole situation.

Cristina: That might be the step to the end of all of them. The first step to the end of all of them.

Jack: Well, it depends, because we still have the people, the sea people at the bottom of the island. They still had the same amount of time to work on their tank.

Cristina: They don't have a stone made out of themselves. That's the most powerful thing I've ever imagined.

Jack: S***. You're totally right. You're totally right, Bear.

Cristina: He has so many. And then he's gonna have this one.

Jack: No, to be honest, the other problem is. No, let me. S***, we gotta get out of here. But you brought up so many points. No, no, no. Let me f****** address this real quick because you're totally right on so many cases. First, the Elysians don't have a stone. Jesus stole all of them. After somehow the shadow people acquired them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Elysians have no stones. First problem. Problem number two, we're just talking about the ones we know created. But keep in mind we know about others. We're not even addressing twin towers going down. That was definitely one being made. Same people on both sides involved. World War II. Same people on both sides involved. It's always the same groups of people always making the same thing. And so we're assuming all of these stones are owned by the same people at this time.

Cristina: Which is Jesus.

Jack: Which is Jesus. Afraid, like. Yeah, there's no chance. You're totally right. There's no chance any elation is stepping up. There's no chance.

Cristina: Jesus has been making stones all this whole time. All these things have been. It's just him and his people that he has here, disguised as us.

Jack: Alternatively, desperate times, desperate measures, they went into two different directions.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The people who went west can definitely at this very moment be making pure Elysian stones. If they've gone mad with the need to retaliate. A caste system naturally evolved, and the bottom of the caste system is still equally pure DNA. But now you're the people who will be used to create stones. I'm sure a single Elysian stone, a pure one person Elysian stone, is quite powerful. I'm not saying super, but I'm saying equivalent to like a weak human stone. I think if you have an entire caste system that you can throw, say a hundred thousand people into and say you guys are all the stone and they already have a stone. Assuming they would devolve into that. We don't know how big the civilization is down there. Yeah, it would have had to expand underneath the water over 100,000 years, probably quite significantly. So who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? It's possible, but we don't.

Jack: Also, is Bioshock loosely based on what's happening there? Just saying. Anyways, totally random. Just thought about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Mad stones. And I Don't even remember what my other point was.

Cristina: The Elysians might be having a plan, a backup plan.

Jack: Oh, s***. The people who went north, that's the backup plan. Because what's north? A group of what?

Cristina: Nepalem.

Jack: Nephilim. Is anything more f****** overpowered than a pure clean nephilim, which is a clean 50.50cut of human and deletion DNA.

Cristina: But that is what Gaza is.

Jack: That is not what Gaza is. Gaza is more diluted. It has to be 50. 50.

Cristina: Has to be 50. 50. Okay.

Jack: And that is what exists up north. If they trap and isolate that, then.

Cristina: They have a nice stone and then.

Jack: Breed that over the same amount of time. Keep in mind these groups of people are thinking in their time scales and.

Cristina: We don't know why they didn't stop. Like, we know that they know about those people, but haven't done anything to them, so it could happen. They're just letting them breed in that one specific location just in case of. Yes, there was always a backup. Okay. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so just theories, you know, just talking about things. There's direction here.

Cristina: Interesting. Interesting. What? What? Craziness. Okay, so there's more. It's not just an easy word for Jesus.

Jack: At least.

Cristina: For Jesus, at least.

Jack: Yeah, there isn't. And it's definitely. You know, it's gonna get crazy. It's gonna get wild in some time.

Cristina: Okay, well, we can all just wait until that happens, I guess. I don't know. Because no one has a real plan anyway.

Jack: And, I mean, I'm sure the plan is being worked on.

Cristina: Besides the people that are trying to escape, everybody.

Jack: Yeah, I'm sure there's people trying to escape. There's the possible retaliation from the Elysian side, but we might. Ha. Man, if there's a can't. It sucks either way. It sucks either way. If this is real and this really happens, it doesn't matter who wins. We're f*****. It would have to be Jesus wins. If the Shadow People win, which I guess. No, it's Jesus. No, it wouldn't suck both ways, because Jesus would stop the Shadow People. They've. They're gonna be tossed away. Easy. He explained that plan. Yes, but no, he still knows what's gonna happen. The Alicians can't beat the plan. They think they can. Yeah, but he saw that fail too. He saw their plan. He saw their plan. He's a necromancer. He knows it worked. He's been on the other side. He saw it. That's why it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe he hasn't seen that specific plan.

Jack: Everything has come true. That's overpowered. Come on. That's pretty.

Cristina: Maybe they're so secretive about that plan that they don't really have that as a plan.

Jack: But how? He's psychic. He could just. He still knows that.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: Unless they're somehow blocking it out.

Cristina: Yeah, they can't. I don't know.

Jack: Well, I still don't know if his psychic ability allows him to zone in on people like that, but I don't know. Anyways. Anyways, if you guys. Yeah, there's a lot. There's too much. If you guys have any information that you want to give us on any of this, if you guys have any perspectives or data or any. Anything you want to talk about, you could do that. Hit us up on our social medias. You can communicate with us doing that at just Convo pod that's on Tik Tok, Facebook, Instagram X.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is the most overpowered thing that's existed in all of history. And look, I always think this s***'s almost ending, and then another door opens and then it's infinite.

Cristina: You'll never do. Never close. It will never close.

Jack: It will never close. And it makes only more sense as time goes by. It's maddening.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take Nothing Personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sa.

May 25, 2024

Rambling 275: Nazi Israel's Genocide of Palestine

May 25, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

If no one agrees with the actions of Israel, why haven’t governments picked up arms to protect the lives of the innocent? Why is Egypt not stepping in by force to protect Palestinians forcing Israel to withdraw or accidentally attack Egyptians providing aid? Why has Gaza always been under the leadership of foreign governments and powers? The duo unpack one of the greatest mysteries on Earth and discover it connects directly into current world events. This is the story of how the the Nazi Israel State’s Genocide of Palestine and Gaza connects directly into the ancient history of the Elysians and the World War that took place at the birth of Jesus Christ.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

What is Gaza?
The Mass Migration to Gaza
World War 0
Elysian Genetics
Who is the Bad Guy?
The Conclusion of the Elysian Saga

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today we are. I'm even dodging the intro. We don't got time. Today we're gonna do something really weir. I did a lot of searching and then I took it to an AI and then I spoke to that AI and we shared information. I took it to the quantum computer, shared information with that, found some interesting things, then brought it back to the AI, through which I kept discussing all the additional details. Now, all of this is extremely important. What we are discussing today is the Aletians, but we are discussing way more than that. We are discussing a bigger picture. We are discussing potentially what happened to them with maybe proof. Whoa. And who they are. Who they are still on Earth at this moment, their descendants.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay. So I will have questions answered, though, while with this too, about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like other things we've been wondering about.

Jack: Okay, so we're gonna begin with some couple questions. We're gonna literally just hear the computer tell us. Okay, so I'm going to go ahead. Let's see if I can choose a nice, pleasant voice, perhaps come over here. You're going to sound like whatever this is. And then we're going to go over here. And so this begins. And my questions are based on just trying to find the original mention of Palestine ever. So my question is, when is the first mention of Palestine? And the first mention of Palestine shows up roughly around a hundred. About. Around the year 1155 B.C. okay, right. So Palestine doesn't. My intention in originally searching was mainly to find out what is happening in Gaza. I have many, many theories about what's happening in Gaza, and I know too much about things that I've seen.

Cristina: And you think it's related to this?

Jack: I think it's very related to this. I think the situation. In fact, let's frame some of this. I guess it's really important. The idea is that it seems that suddenly at some point in time around the year 6 BC to around the year 4 AD corroborated by. Seems like almost every record you could come across. And between those two points, there seems to be two things that happen. A massive war that seems to almost not be spoken about. You find mentions and shreds of it everywhere. Everybody experienced it, no matter where the h*** they were almost on Earth. It doesn't matter where they were.

Cristina: They.

Jack: The war happened, but it was Almost not discussed, mentioned. You see an image depicting that moment in time, and it'll be a giant army.

Cristina: And there's like, World War we called.

Jack: It one, but there was there. You'll see images, hieroglyphs and drawings, cave drawings and things of, like, a whole army and just be one. And it'd be referencing a very specific event that seems to line up. You'll find texts that mention, you know, the importance of a day that's usually very focused on this period of time. And then suddenly, again, no other reference. Almost like the acknowledgement matters, but don't go into detail. And you find it everywhere, the same specific period of time. In the Greek documents, it seems to be somewhere between about 5 BC and about 5 BC AD and in Egyptian documents, it seems to be around 7 to around 5 as well. And so when you average, there's kind of like a middle ground that kind of. It all falls into that. There's something epic happening. But you also have the same thing happening over there. Maya, they are always also talking about this sort of giant event.

Cristina: Maya.

Jack: Yes. In a lot of places, there are things like this that have been considered the apocalypse event.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've read some. In the case of Maya, there we went. We used. We did that with their calendar for the modern day, where we were like, oh, 2012 is going to be the end of the world, or whatever, because their calendar ends. And so it seems like this special period of time that everybody's talking about might have been construed by humans the same way as we lost the meaning of what they were talking about and just assumed that they had an apocalypse day or something that was going to happen. But that's incorrect. There was a war. Everything is people preparing for war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's just really weird that's happening in that period of time. Now, what else happens in that period of time? Two giant important events.

Cristina: Jesus's birth.

Jack: Jesus's birth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the disappearance of the Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Both coincide in that one giant period. Period of time. Now, that's crossing pure mythology, pure scripture, and pure records to come up with the fact that they all, even within these different mediums, all talk about the same point in time. So not only that, we bring actual records that exist, but now just looking at mythology, well, Jesus was there, too. And looking at religion, well, we got the events of the. Well, I guess it's the other way. Looking at religion, we got Jesus in there and looking at mythologies, we got Hermes in here, and we got the Elysians in here. We got events happening, weird things happening, okay?

Cristina: But you know, there's a fight that's everywhere. We don't know with who, we don't know with who.

Jack: We don't know with who. And that is sort of a really important detail because is who's on what side. But there is a huge war. So my focus became Gaza. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something is up with that. So one of my questions becomes. I don't even know how to put this because I've run out of ways to look for things. I have gone into the etymology of what things originally meant to find out what people meant about things as you know. So I'm going to give you some definitions of some things. Okay? First, the first mention of Israel was somewhere in the year 1200 or so. That's not like a real thing. That was made much later.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Israelites shows up in the Bible, but Israel does not. Okay. Very important things to say. The origin of Palestine. The term Palestine is the word philistine, which is Greek or Latin, if I'm not mistaken. But what it literally translates to is a person who is hostile or indifferent to culture and the arts, or who is or who has no understanding of them. What Palestine is in itself an insult. The term Palestine is calling somebody an ignorant a******, essentially.

Cristina: Okay, right. How did that happen?

Jack: The people didn't name themselves that. Somebody else named them that. But why?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, why?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why did they keep it?

Jack: Something weird. Yes, you're asking the right questions. You're asking the same questions that got me here. Those are the right questions. So Israel comes to exist later as a place. Palestine did exist since the year 1200 BCE or so. Okay. So it's been around, but it was referred to as this thing, right? Now, if we look at Palestine throughout all of history, no matter how many times it changed hands, it was never being ruled by a Palestinian. It was ruled by the Romans, it was ruled by the Jews. It was ruled by Greeks, by Israel. The blockade is controlled primarily by Israel. Now, in every one of these instances, that place was a place of contention, a place of consistent battle. Most battles were fought over Palestine. Specifically. Specifically the Gaza Strip. Weird coincidence.

Cristina: There's something there.

Jack: Well, I went to look to see, like, does this place have astounding natural resources or something? No, it's kind of average for the Middle East. But here's a giant list of people who kind of ruled over. We have the Egyptians, we have the Assyrians and the Babylonians, the Persians, which is the one we're particularly familiar with. And the point in which Persia was in control of Palestine just so happened to be between the predicted beginning of it just so happen to be between the two points that we are discussing. 6 BCE and 5 AD. What a weird coincidence when Persia has the Gaza Strip. Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: What does it mean?

Jack: What does it mean? Right, so it begins. We. It. It takes over, right? The Persian Empire takes over and immediately things start to fall apart. Weird. I don't even know, man.

Cristina: But what falls apart in Persia?

Jack: Yeah, well, in this specific region, right, because they take over and then what do we have? We have the Persian Empire that gets in control. And my bad, I'm saying this totally incorrectly because I'm looking at the information and confusing it as I'm looking at it.

Cristina: Oh, there.

Jack: The Persian control ends at that point in the period of 6 BC to 5 80. So it begins 600 years prior.

Cristina: But it stops.

Jack: But it's around stops around the time that Jesus is born. Persia loses Palestine around the time that Jesus is born, which falls in line with some other things. If the big bad leader leaves the territory, then it's a free for all and anybody can grab what they want. But we know, presumably the Elysians move. Yeah, I then look at the mass migration lines. This was the next part. They moved, they left.

Cristina: You talking about the Persians or the lesions?

Jack: Okay, Specifically the group of people. I need to be general when I'm talking. Right. So it's the group of people who happen to be in the neck of the Persian Gulf, specifically, that we can, through records, track a migration line of people who settled there. Because obviously we can't go to a record be like lesions. We can only find them in scripture and we can only find them in mythology and a few records that mention them. But it could have been influenced by mythology or whatever. Yeah, but the people who were settled at the neck of the Persian Gulf, we can find their migration lines. And weirdly enough, their migration lines split into three parts, one of which goes right into the Gaza Strip.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: We can follow mass migration far west, we can follow a mass migration north, and we can follow a migration that begins in the Middle east and ends in the Middle east at the Gaza Strip. All three lines starting at the neck of the Persian Gulf. And it's mass migration. We can follow a huge migration pattern that happens to three different locations. We don't know where in the west the other one is, but we can theorize the easy one. And we don't know where the one north is. But we have other stories Corroborating where a group of people might have gone north too.

Cristina: Well, like in Ireland. No, Ireland.

Jack: The Norway in that area up there where it seems to be really weird. But then we have the one that goes to the Gaza Strip. How weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think we've gotten the story wrong the whole time.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because a giant war happens at that same time, and we have one mass migration that happens, and then that mass migration isn't unified. It breaks up into three parts, and then one of those parts ends in the Gaza Strip. What's the Gaza Strip?

Cristina: Right this very moment, Isn't it Gaza? I don't know.

Jack: It's a prison.

Cristina: Oh, it's a prison.

Jack: It's an open air prison. Oh, they can't go anywhere, right? From every direction. And nobody helps them, no matter who at any given moment helps them. We keep saying so, but the leaders know something, the people don't, and they just don't. Everybody just kind of steps back, okay?

Cristina: It has to do with them being related to some deceived people.

Jack: Well, the next part of this dives into genetics. I was looking at genetic records and I was trying to find what exactly is the difference between the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf and people anywhere else. And I find that they have a very specific marker for a really, really, really primitive, different branching type of caveman. So we're familiar with the Neanderthal that a lot of people have DNA of. That's the majority of people. Oh, no, my bad. That's the minority. Then the majority of people have the Denisovan genes, which is the other thing. And some people have spikes of that, you know, so we have. We're make up of variations of these two types of things, okay?

Cristina: But they have something else.

Jack: There is a group called haplog group J1Y, D, N A. And that group is very, very, very, very specific because they just happen to have a. Just like humans, you know, natural evolutionary path. They are human. Not to say they're not human, but natural evolutionary path. This primitive ape since before the Neanderthal, just two primitive different apes that are, let's say, gorillas, almost identical. They literally split off at a point that they are like gorillas, almost too.

Cristina: Close to us, okay?

Jack: But in that time, this one DNA group goes and is affected in isolation without mixing with anything else that came from its original group. So it can't breed with anything else. It remains diversified within itself, but pure from any of its other ancestors. It doesn't remix, it keeps branching off. Once they Leave where their species is now. Their species that they abandoned will evolve gradually, but the travel alone will force a natural selection process that will continue only the best to survive. The best to survive. And those will pass the children on, over and over. It's a speedier process than the ones that stayed behind. This group that went traveling begins evolving faster and faster and faster and faster in isolation, away from any other ape. No other apes, just this group. Now, this group eventually breaks off itself in isolation into a second group, which is haplogroup E1b, 1b, which is a Y DNA as well. This is the, weirdly enough, almost identical DNA of the Palestinian people today.

Cristina: How did you. How do you know?

Jack: I had to read a lot of DNA logs and a lot of ancestry files to just find different DNA patterns around Earth.

Cristina: But the way you said it, it makes it sound like they can't mix with people.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The way you heard it, for some reason came out like that. But I specifically said that they left all of their species. They can't mix with other species. They left their species and they went and evolved over there in isolation, away from their species. So they're not gonna go f*** a tiger and successfully mate. That couldn't happen. And there's no other apes out there, so it's not that they can't mate. There's just no other race within their species they can mate with other than themselves. Because they migrated away. They went to where apes have never been. They are the first apes there.

Cristina: You're talking about the sea people.

Jack: I am talking about the. I've not mentioned the sea people. I'm talking about the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf. Oasis of the Persian Gulf. And Palestinians that are the second group. And the Palestinians are the only people on Earth who have that second DNA strand that came from the first DNA strand in isolation. No one on Earth else has that. They were.

Cristina: But they can still have children with other humans.

Jack: Yes. I don't know why you think they can't.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. The way you're saying it sounds like they can only. I don't know. The whole way you're trying to describe.

Jack: What part is making you think that? Because then the listeners might be thinking that, too. I need clarity. Hatton is important. Ask the right question so I can clarify.

Cristina: You were just explaining I don't know. It sounds like. I don't know. The ape can't have sex with a lion. Tiger.

Jack: That is correct.

Cristina: I know that. But what does that relate to anything.

Jack: Well, you said they can't reproduce with other things. I'm saying no, they just can't reproduce with things that aren't them.

Cristina: But that would mean we are them.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: These are saying they can't reproduce with other things that are not like them?

Jack: Yeah, we're like them. Yes.

Cristina: Okay. That's all.

Jack: Yeah, they're just a different type of monkey like we. Okay, that's what I'm saying. Like Neanderthal. This is just another group. They're still apes, okay. They're apes that went elsewhere and can't mate with things that aren't apes. So they're just with themselves. Without more variation, this one specific group, without the variations that are gonna happen in the climate around them, they go in isolation. And in isolation means there's no influence from any other ape. And they are in close enough quarters that they cannot widely expand and become different variations of themselves. So it's not like they have both a mountain and an ocean and they spread out and live in an island with a mountain and an ocean. And so the people by the water turn into something after a couple of thousand years and the people up in the mountains turn into something else. That didn't happen for some reason. Where they went seemed to be an exact climate everywhere, an exact condition everywhere, island like and entrapped, so that they would evolve without any variation and keep it pure as they combat every other element that there is, animal wise and actual, you know, weather wise. And so they go on a crazy fast evolutionary track because of this sort of purity that's happening, that they just so happen to split off with normal apes. They were just normal apes, literally the same thing. And then they go. And that pace is crazy. Now, keep in mind, we understand that the Elysians move significantly slower than humans do. That's almost the feature that makes humans interesting, the fact that we move really, really quickly. So why is it that that ape was moving so, so fast? Well, that just so happened to be environmental conditions that were forcing it, like I said before. Right. So we know that they have the ability to. Or are we looking at crazy long scales?

Cristina: What do you mean by crazy long scale?

Jack: That maybe what I'm discussing is happening in such an exaggerated long set of time that now we're talking millions of years. And in these millions of years, we know that we have literal titles that seem to stretch out for like, infinity as long, like, how are you 3 million years old? This doesn't make sense. So we have weird situations like that that maybe some of These stories began being recorded by these very exaggeratedly primitive creatures and that became the basis for their religion. So little by little these titles and names became as a grunt, but then that same grunt. A good way to think about it would be if you consider the episode of Star Trek that had the story of the dragon and the slaying the dragon and their whole language and their whole communication style and everything they've ever known was about this dragon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it was almost impossible to communicate with this race. And what we're struggling with in understanding they're the things they've said is because their entire way of communication has been built on the sort of narrative of the first of them and sort of retelling the narrative of the first of them. And some people learn to crack this communication. Special humans who are exceptionally intelligent like Hermes or under individuals who could sort of pierce communication with this other hyper advanced thing. Or maybe they were learning to communicate with us, I don't know. But that would explain having a name that seems to stretch millions and millions of years.

Cristina: What was the name?

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Oh, Loi. Okay. And I thought you talk about the creatures that are in, I don't know, the sea, the original sea people.

Jack: That is literally what I'm talking about. Because that would be Loi.

Cristina: But you're saying that he's not living forever, it's just the story.

Jack: Well, we already believe that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That Loi is a title moving forward through time.

Cristina: But they're getting it from that location is what you're saying.

Jack: I'm saying that there seems to have been a person named Loi at some point and that maybe because we see it through millions of years mentioned that perhaps this millions of years of mention is the mention of the same first few people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that anything and everything continues to be built on that. And that we're just witnessing and strange communication style that only some people learn to pierce. And those people would end up working with the Elysians. But that's just a theory because the point being that this group split off and then broke off into two parts. One part becomes lost, the J one that is existent and we can see through fossilized things that this existed and this was real and went extinct.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now we don't know how far they got. We just know that's the point that we see the end of that creature and we haven't found any future version of it. Minus the E1B 1B which is a variant of the J1 that split off and those are the Palestinians.

Cristina: Oh my Gosh.

Jack: Okay, so the people from the neck of the Persian gulf are the J1. The variation that split off are the Palestinians.

Cristina: E1B1B. I don't know.

Jack: E1B1B.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And these are just genetic markers. They happen to originate in the same spot, are shared by nobody else on Earth, and happen so far back that it predates humans, it predates Neanderthals, it predates the general idea of cave people, and would have led to a rapid evolutionary path that suddenly seems to disappear. It doesn't seem to break off into anything else and is not shared by any other creature. It just whittles away and we don't know where it goes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird. People of Gaza, or specifically the people of the Gaza Strip, specifically, are those people born there?

Cristina: Are the ancestors.

Jack: Yeah, people who are origin from there share that DNA primarily. Weird detail.

Cristina: Yes. But is that why people want that? But is it because they want the people? What's.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I couldn't answer it. But that's very interesting. Right. And it brings up a lot of questions like what the h*** is the connection between those two things? Why do you guys have this if that broke off at some point in the past? Right. Well, there's a theory that might explain this. The people that broke off and went to the Gaza Strip. Why'd they go to the Gaza Strip specifically?

Cristina: You have an answer for that?

Jack: No. And then you look at the genetic deviation. The only place that exists is in the Gaza Strip. That's where it originates from. So the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf went to the place where the only other place that already shared their DNA identically. Weird. Right? Or the people we see in Gaza now are literally the people who left the neck of the Persian Gulf and we're seeing their ancestors in Gaza.

Cristina: I thought that's what the case was. What's the first option?

Jack: That the people from the Persian Gulf went to where the deviated ape landed and evolved, and so they go to where their DNA already was. Or.

Cristina: That's too random.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird. Or the people from the Persian Gulf get to Gaza and then we're seeing their.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Descendants. Yeah, they are the ancestors of who we see now. And so they share this very specific marker. There has been. Hello. Wars over that place, as we've discussed. There has been. Israel in particular, seems to always be in conflict with Palestine. That is a tug of war throughout time.

Cristina: It's not some religious reason.

Jack: That's always the excuse but when is that ever the. The accurate truth of the fact, you know? So have to give you a little bit. So coming back to etymology. We know what Palestine means. They treat it and discuss it like a prison. But we know that the people from the neck of the Persian Gulf, a part of them went there. We also know at that same moment, Jesus is born. The Palestine is lost by Persia. And we know that. What else do we know? We know we got a great war.

Cristina: Jesus is born, and those people went.

Jack: The migration. We got the migration that lands at Gaza.

Cristina: Is that not all we have?

Jack: Well, yeah. Well, here's where it gets. It's gonna get a little weird because who are the other side in this deal always with Palestine.

Cristina: What deal?

Jack: Well, the problem.

Cristina: Okay, who is it? Misrule.

Speaker C: Yes.

Jack: And Israel is populated by Israel people.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Religiously speaking.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You know what Israel is religiously speaking?

Cristina: Jewish.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Whoa. Okay. Yes. There was no. Not even like, close answer to be second.

Cristina: Okay, what was this? What's the other people then?

Jack: Palestinians. Those are. They're Islam.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're Muslim. But because of the problem happening there, we focus on Israel. We got enough from Israel knowing that they're calling that a prison. But wait, your own terminology is that. That's prison. Weird. People don't know what Palestine means, but Palestine means prison. The Jews are saying that the people there are their prisoners. Interesting. Okay, this is just going back to original language. What they originally meant by the word, what the original use of the word was. They were calling the people there their prisoners. But Israel happens in the year 1200.

Cristina: What's going on? I don't get it. I don't get it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got to go backwards because if Israel is calling it that, really, we're just talking that the Jews are calling it that. That's why it's more important to say Jews. And the Jews speak what language? Hebrew. Okay. That's the Hebrew word for prison.

Cristina: What was the word again?

Jack: Palestine.

Cristina: Palestine. Oh, yeah, that was something else.

Jack: It literally becomes the word philistine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And philistine means hostile, indifferent culture of people who are essentially ignorant.

Cristina: Mm. I remember all that.

Jack: All of that is what they're referring to. The Gaza Strip, which is a walled in place. So either they're referring to them as just that place with animals, or that's just the shithole we put things in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which essentially a prison. Everybody at all times is keeping that under control. Keep in mind, that's the other piece of information. Palestine has never controlled itself. It's always been property of something else at all times since its creation. It has never been a free state. Israel, that came way later, became free instantaneously by its inception. But Palestine has not. It's only moved hands between the same people over and over.

Cristina: Mm. That's horrible. Okay.

Jack: Mm. Now, going back to etymology again. The word philistine is the Hebrew word for dirty, ignorant person, as we know. But what were the people calling the Hebrew people? Well, Hebrew isn't a Hebrew word. Hebrew is a Latin word referred to the Hebrew people. This is going to be very interesting because I have to tell you what it means, and then suddenly we're going to have a lot of questions. A lot of questions. But it might have answered many questions on the road to tell you just.

Cristina: For what Hebrew means from what Hebrew means.

Jack: So we got to work backwards to get there. Right. And it comes from way, way, way old ancient Latin and late Greek. That's how we know where it originated from. And when they were talking about the Hebrew people, they specifically addressed these individuals with the term. Let me click over here real quick. Hebrew literally translates to. Why isn't this working? Oh, my God. Okay, want to get this literally accurate? Literally means one from the other side. I don't understand the word Hebrew literally.

Cristina: Means one from the other side.

Jack: One from the other side. Israel was made in the year 1200. Roughly. It did not exist prior to that. They call the Hebrews Hebrew because it means one's from the other side.

Cristina: Does it somehow relate to the shadow realm? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I'm just giving you etymology. Interesting, huh?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Other people, through the same sort of channels of communication, adopted Hebrew as a way to accurately refer to people that were, quote, Hebrew unquote, because they also thought it meant wanderer. So those were the two original terminologies. The full structure became wander from the other side.

Cristina: Very Where? What side? What is this side? It's gotta be shadow realms. I don't know.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. But they're humans.

Jack: But they're humans.

Cristina: You checked into their DNA.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And nothing came up.

Jack: They are. Nothing came up. No, they're just people.

Cristina: But they're ones from the other side.

Jack: Ones from the other side? Wanderers from the other side. Or ones that wander from the other side.

Cristina: Weird, because you said they're not. I mean, they're newer than everyone else.

Jack: Yeah. Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. Now, a couple of things that we need to note. Ones from the other side, they're human.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the. What I'm about to say is very specifically chosen. Lucifer was also.

Cristina: Was also humans. Oh, no.

Jack: From the other side.

Cristina: Oh, that's what he's called.

Jack: Lucifer. Yeah, Lucifer.

Cristina: He's called from the other side.

Jack: No, it's called Lightbringer. I'm saying Lucifer was from the other side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: What, man, I gotta connect every dot for you. What are the important details about Lucifer that we know? Jesus Christ, just what do we know about Lucifer? What did he do? Significant. He had two things that mattered a lot.

Cristina: He tried to give people knowledge.

Jack: Okay, great. And what else? That's one. The other one is a really weird one.

Cristina: I can't remember the other one.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa, you're never paying attention.

Cristina: Then what's the other one?

Jack: That he turned himself into a freaking Elysian.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Okay, how is that what escaped you?

Cristina: The other one I remember.

Jack: No, apparently you didn't until I told you.

Cristina: I remember now.

Jack: Yeah, because I told you, man, you got to connect these dots. It's pointless if I got to tell you every part of it. That means there's nothing retained. The listeners are probably screaming at you right now like, what the f***? It's obviously this. He turned himself into a f****** Elysian.

Cristina: Okay? Yes.

Jack: So changing out of a shadow thing into an earth biological thing is absolutely possible according to the very narratives they tried to hide. The people who tried to hide it was an effort between the current day Christians and existing Jews.

Cristina: What does it mean though?

Jack: It could have been that the people of Israel are from in fact, the other side. And then they turn themselves human with whatever technology was developed in that time by Lucifer who went back to the shadow realm to continue his research.

Cristina: Okay? These are made people.

Jack: These are made people. They just showed up. That didn't exist before. Not the Jews, the Israeli people.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The Jews existed, always. The Israeli people didn't. Now, weirdly enough, if Israel is a group of people that came from the other side and then made themselves human, and we are seeing the descendants of those individuals, then the Jews that were labeled Hebrew by the Greek long ago, about the year 3000 BC or so, those individuals were labeled wanderers from the other side. Way back then, shortly after the 5000 B.C. problematic breakup with Jehovah. So that happens, 5000 B.C. they disappear and then 3000 B.C. jews appear.

Cristina: I don't understand. I mean, I know what you're saying. I don't understand.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird, right? All these dots are like anybody. All of what I'm talking about is just free information out there. I'm just putting it in a weird order and you guys tell me what you think. I'm giving you how it looks in order. Just chronology.

Cristina: There's just shadow realm people living as humans.

Jack: They got turned into humans by whatever technology.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't understand. Okay. I don't know.

Jack: It gets weird, right?

Cristina: It gets weird. That is really weird.

Jack: Yeah, it's a bit of a rabbit hole. If I can get. I want to get this thing to explain a very specific part of this that matters.

Cristina: But, like, those are two real random things and I still don't understand how they relate.

Jack: What two random things?

Cristina: There are people who come from the sea. People who are being killed off pretty much. Or something. There's something happening to them from the shadow realm. Humans or whatever. Yeah, from one experiment. One experiment is experimenting on a. Not experiment. They're not experiments. But they are now to these people, sort of.

Jack: Yeah, like a. Oh, how the turntables type of thing.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. Yeah. Is that what's happening? But why? But why? But why?

Jack: But why? That's ultimately the question. Right. All right, so now I'm gonna just give you the question and you're gonna hear the explanation from the AI Okay. In Greek ancient texts, there's mention of groups of people that have been referred to by the sea people. Right. And in later texts, the Egyptians reference those same people. That this is a slur and that these are the people of the neck of the Persian Gulf. I'm just trying to connect that for a fact. Those people are the same people that are being referred to. So this is the response.

Speaker C: The term sea peoples is used in ancient texts, primarily Egyptian, to describe a confederation of naval raiders who attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the Eastern Mediterranean during the late bronze age, circa 1200 BCE. These peoples are often depicted in Egyptian records, notably on the inscriptions of Pharaoh Ramesses III at Medic Medinet Habu, where they are described as invaders who caused significant destruction and upheaval in the region. However, the identification of these groups remains a topic of debate among historians and archaeologists.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we know they exist. We're unclear about who they are. So cross reference everything that possibly exists. Let's unpack. We're going to go and look at every mention and then try to compare it. So this is the answer to that.

Speaker C: I understand your approach of cross referencing multiple sources to uncover deeper insights. Here's an overview that integrates data from both Greek and Egyptian texts regarding the Sea Peoples and the potential identification as one Greek records Ancient Greek texts, including works by Herodotus and other historians, occasionally reference groups of people in the context of maritime activities. However, specific identification of the Sea Peoples in Greek texts is less common compared to Egyptian records. 2. Egyptian records the term Sea Peoples primarily appears in Egyptian inscriptions, notably those of Pharaoh Ramesses iii, who described them as a confederation of raiders attacking Egypt and other regions around the Mediterranean around 1200 BCE. The Medinet Habu inscriptions provide detailed accounts of these incursions. The Egyptians listed specific groups among the Sea Peoples, such as the Peleset Philistines, Cheker, Shekelesh, Denaen, and Weshesh. 3 There is speculation and some lesser known sources that may hint at different terminologies used by the Egyptians. Some historians suggest that terms like Elysians might have been used in different contexts or translations. This idea is not widely accepted in mainstream scholarship, but could be found in more obscure or speculative historical texts. Cross REFERENCING insights Herodotus and later Greek historians Greek historians like Herodotus refer to various peoples and regions, often in the context of broader historical narratives. While direct references to Sea Peoples in Greek texts are scarce, there are mentions of maritime peoples and invasions that might align with the broader activities of the Sea Peoples described by the Egyptians. Archaeological and historical analysis Archaeologists and historians often cross reference Egyptian inscriptions with archaeological evidence found in regions like the Levant and the Aegean to identify the movements and impacts of these groups. This multidisciplinary approach helps to piece together the broader picture of the Late Bronze Age collapse and the migration invasion patterns of these groups.

Jack: Okay, so we know everybody's talking about the same people, roughly different terminology, but we kind of all land at the same couple of words translate roughly into the same things. Elysians and Sea people seem to be the two common denominators at all times. So we are talking about the same people now. Migration patterns Mm.

Speaker C: The question of whether the Elysians potentially identified with the Sea Peoples migrated from the Persian Gulf region to the Mediterranean is intriguing and involves cross reference referencing archaeological and historical data. Migration patterns 1 Archaeological evidence Archaeological records indicate that there was significant movement of peoples from the Persian Gulf region towards the Mediterranean around the turn of the millennium. This movement aligns with various sociopolitical disruptions and climatic changes that could have driven migrations. 30 source 38 source that's just it.

Jack: Giving the reference locations, giving the records so that people can find where it is.

Speaker C: During the Late Bronze Age, particularly under Pharaoh Ramesses iii, these groups, including the Peleset, often identified with the Philistines, are depicted as coming from regions that may correspond with the eastern Mediterranean or even further afield. 38 source 39 source the term Elysians mentioned in some later Egyptian texts might be referring to these same groups, indicating a continuity or connection in the used by different cultures to describe these maritime peoples. Historical context between 6 BCE and 4 AD there is evidence to suggest significant population movements, trade and conflict. The Persian Gulf was a crucial trade hub, and interactions with the Mediterranean were well established through trade routes and maritime activities. This facilitated not just economic exchange, but also the movement of peoples. 37 thirge debt source cultural and political the period saw the rise and fall of various empires, such as the Parthians and later the Romans, which created conditions for migration due to Both opportunity and displacement. 38 source 39 source Conclusion While there is no definitive proof directly linking the term Elysians used by Egyptians to a specific migration event, convergence of archaeological and textual evidence supports the notion that groups identified with the Sea Peoples could have originated from the Persian Gulf region and migrated towards the Mediterranean. These migrations would have brought them into conflict and contact with established civilizations like those in Egypt, leading to their prominent place in historical records.

Jack: Okay, so yes, we can get enough information to say there was factually a weird migration that happened by these people and most likely put them in danger in the course of migration. So it wasn't even a safe migration. So whatever was happening where you were leaving had to be worse. Okay, than everything you were facing on your way out. And that's where it gets a little bit interesting, because we know that the Sea People are exceptionally overpowered. So how?

Cristina: How did this happen? How did this happen right now? Mm.

Speaker C: The concept of the Sea Peoples, including potentially the Elysians, being sophisticated and dangerous, is well documented in ancient texts and archaeological records. These groups were indeed highly capable, often depicted as formidable warriors with advanced maritime technology and tactics. Their incursions into regions such as Egypt, Anatolia and The Levant around 1200 BCE caused significant upheaval and contributed to the Bronze Age collapse. Did the entire Middle east and Europe band together to suppress the Elysians? The hypothesis that various civilizations banded together to combat the Sea Peoples is supported by several factors. One Coalition against the Sea Egyptian records, particularly from the reigns of Pharaohs Meremtah and Ramesses iii, describe significant battles against the Sea Peoples. These records indicate that Egypt allied with other local forces to repel these invasions. The Medinet Habu inscriptions detail such coalitions, highlighting the combined efforts to defend against the Sea People's raids. 45urSource 46th Source 2. Destruction and defense Archaeological evidence across the eastern Mediterranean shows widespread destruction of cities and settlements attributed to the Sea Peoples. This widespread impact suggests that many regions felt threatened by these groups and took defensive actions, including forming alliances to protect their territories. 47 I source 48 source 3. Geopolitical context the political landscape of the late Bronze Age was highly interconnected. Major powers such as the Hittite Empire, Mycenaean Greece, and Egypt were all affected by the movements of the Sea Peoples. The coordinated efforts to suppress these groups can be seen as a response to a common threat that destabilized the region's political and economic systems. 48 source 49 source While direct evidence of a single unified alliance comprising all Middle Eastern and European civilizations against the Elysians or Sea Peoples is not explicitly documented, the collaborative efforts of various states in response to these incursions are well supported. The necessity of defending against a highly mobile and capable adversary likely drove these civilizations to form temporary alliances to mitigate the threat posed by the Sea Peoples.

Jack: When we put all of this together, we have the fact that everybody band together using to get rid of them, to get rid of them, to get rid of them. We know they disappeared. We don't know how they disappeared. It was. It's confusing to try to identify how they disappeared because there's many possibilities, many options. It's as weird and random. And we know that the shadow people have the stones because we know Jesus has to go to the shadow realm to get them. How did the. How did that happen? How'd they get there? Additionally, one pattern that seems to show up consistently in the Bible when you read it for what it is instead of what you're told to believe. It looks like the good people are always the shadow people. Lucifer wants to share, Lucifer wants to provide. And according to how the Christians identify the Bible, he's the bad guy. And the guy who's trying to keep the information from you and keep everything for himself is the good guy. That perfectly aligns with a bunch of people. Go to the shadow realm, develop technology, come over here, become people, and then help the human suppress the Elysians.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what they're doing now.

Jack: Still, that would be what's happening now. It is a prison that the Egyptians know about and the Americans know. Everybody kind of leaders, the secret society is fully aware of what's being kept there and they know that or they don't know. The fear is it's been thousands and thousands of years, but we've always kept it in this condition. We don't know what happens if we don't have it in this condition. We've kept them like this and it seems horrible to the outside world.

Cristina: They can reach out to their. The others.

Jack: The two groups that went. Well, this is the idea, right? That's the open air prison. We've got them suppressed, they have nothing. Those are the descendants of the people that most likely mix with other humans, thus continuing to and sort of diminishing that DNA. But that DNA still exists there almost exclusively in that area. Why do we keep them around? Probably for that feature. We are experimenting on them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the other two groups went into hiding. We knew at the beginning they were hiding, but we're like, they're crazy strong. Why would they go into hiding? Well, if everybody you helped turned on you because you're kind of crooked and they have all your stuff because you gave it to them, well, now you go into hiding. We knew they were scared of something, but we're like, they're so strong. Maybe you just didn't want to deal with people. No, we were right the first time they went into hiding cuz the f****** planet turned on them. They were like, get the f***, you guys aren't taking over us. And so we just humaned on their a** and we're like, get the f*** out of here. And then the ones that couldn't get away ended up in Gaza and the other groups just split the f*** off to wherever they could go. It looks like three events happened the same three. One, did we kill them off? What the f***? Did Jesus kill them off? Is our idea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Did they exit the system? Maybe those people just went north and then the ones that went into the ocean by Bimini. Well, all three possibilities might actually be the three options. And two of them involve hiding. One of them involves an open air prison.

Cristina: So they're not actual options. They're all existing.

Jack: They're all existing, okay? All of them happened. It was when you have a really, really old dirty house with a bunch of crappy nasty crap and you move a painting and all the cockroaches go everywhere. It's just wherever they go to hide.

Cristina: But now we are experimenting on them.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What's for?

Jack: I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. But this even answers where Jesus comes into play. How Jesus joined the Jews. Man, Jesus was a Jew. Jesus was a Jew.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: He was siding. Even if narratively we try to warp.

Cristina: It with the shadow people. Shadow people, which. Yes, that would make sense.

Jack: And he has psychic powers. Yeah, and he would know how to get to the people.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Well, think about it. Why were the Elysians always hiding to begin with? Because they're crooked. They were doing something wrong. And the moment that their location is advertised to the world, they go on a scramble the f*** out of there. And in that time they get attacked mid trip.

Cristina: Okay, well, I guess they are doing crooked things because the signs that they're doing, they don't care.

Jack: They don't care. Life doesn't matter. They feel they are gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their creations revolted.

Cristina: Yeah. They murdered a bunch of us all the time.

Jack: Billions.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jesus. Advertises their location. Holy f***. We gotta go. They do try and literally knowing where we all are in one shot is worse than trying to escape you out there. And some of us make it, which is literally what happened. Some of us made it, Some of us didn't.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's so crazy. That might be right. That's horrible. That's so horrible. I don't know.

Jack: And then Gaza is their ancestors. I know their ancestors. That's their descendants that we've kept in there with that gene that only existed in the neck of the Persian Gulf. Details that matter. People consistently fight over the waters at the Persian Gulf. Really important. The Tanker War was about that.

Cristina: So there's something unique about that water.

Jack: I don't know if there's something unique about that water. I think the tech is still there. And it's like people just don't let each other get far down enough. I think it's all way. I think the Middle east, let's break it down. What is Persia if not Iran, Afghanistan? These places we've always invaded, always attacked. All the western countries are always fighting over it. And then we have our pawn country in there, Israel. It's about the weapons, it's about getting the Elysian technology. Everybody's been fighting over Elysian technology since we got rid of the Aletians. It's always been that since that time the Middle east has never been stable following the fall of Persia. Never again. That's on record. The hands it's past has been dozens since then. Just leaders. Every couple of hundred years another leader. Quick, fast, no consistent ruling party. Because everybody's always being attacked. Always, usually around the neck of the Persian Gulf. And always absolutely nobody arguing what's happening in Palestine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdly enough, the fall of the Elysians and the rise of an indefinite war state and open air prison coincide. Also weird coincidence. Just throwing that out there, all of it. Lines Up. I think. I think that is exactly what happened. I think they didn't go anywhere. I think they were gonna keep experimenting. And eventually they f***** up with Jesus. And everybody knew where they were. And it wasn't even a thought. We just knew what to do. It's like we know. We know where they are. It's over. We can stop them. They run, we catch as many as.

Cristina: We can, and then. I don't know. And then we keep them. Yeah, prison.

Jack: We keep them there, but the others ran away. The idea is now they're not close enough and they're not prepared enough. They have to restart and rebuild with whatever they had. We get to catch up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now it's dangerous to come towards us. Now we got nuclear weaponry, and we've seen them for years. Show up in what? What do we know? That these ships come out of the water, fl. Fly over land. That sounds exactly like what we think it is. Spaceships and crap. UFOs and, like, they all fit the suit. They've been trying to stay out of distance and trying to stay invisible, but still trying to experiment simultaneously.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It became more secretive because they know.

Cristina: Because we know.

Jack: Because we know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And alien sightings so happen to coincide with this, why? Because chariots become saucers roughly around that time. Yeah.

Cristina: Makes sense. Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Yes, they are our aliens.

Jack: They are our aliens and our old gods, but yes. Yes, they are. And not even aliens, really. They're just weird. So we call them aliens. But they are from here.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Yeah.

Jack: And we kind of broke off from the same thing.

Cristina: We were one, but they did something.

Jack: They went elsewhere. And without mixing and diluting it, the pure hardest, surviving in a small compact area, just kept evolving and pushing there. Only the one guy with the best genes, his kids would make it because he would beat the crap out of all the other men. And it's like, well, now his strongest kid kills all the other strong kids.

Cristina: But then they make us, too.

Jack: Yeah. Eventually there's the ones who started tampering with us. They really, really evolved over millions of years. And we slowly evolved, and then they started f****** with us. And then we started to catch up.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then the. The Singularity happened.

Cristina: Where?

Jack: Where their creations outsmarted them. We came for them.

Cristina: Okay? And that's what happened.

Jack: And that's what happened. The Singularity. The Elysian Singularity. We are the machines they made. The Elysian Singularity happened and we took over. And we took over. Now it's Our planet.

Cristina: Yes. And we still have some of them hostage.

Jack: And we still have some of them hostage. That we can prove that DNA only exists primarily there. Just a fact.

Cristina: That makes sense. Okay. And then we're just. We just want that water because of what's in it.

Jack: Yeah. There's something important down there. Whether it be tech. Or maybe their evolutionary process is because of something there that sped it up. Maybe the key to Asriel discovering immortality is along that water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who knows? Magnum opus was found there.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: There's something about it.

Cristina: Something there. Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: The Gazans might be descendants of the Elysians. Human now, but with just enough trace DNA left that we don't trust it.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. And the way they're just treated. But they're not even like them anymore. They don't have the weapons. They don't have.

Jack: They don't have any of it. None of it. None of it. They're just us now. Yeah, but still we're treating them like that.

Cristina: It must have been bad.

Jack: I mean, over a few millions of years of something else f****** with you. And definitely killing everything it wanted all the time for s**** and giggles with seemingly no goal. I guess you just kind of retaliate eventually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just happens. And that moment happened. Their singularity happened. It looks like everything kind of lines up with that. I think that is the conclusion.

Cristina: I think so. Yeah.

Jack: I think I just wrapped up all the questions.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they went, where they came back. What they were doing while they were there. Who the target was, the bad guy, who we thought was the good guy, who we knew was a bad guy to begin with and then got muddied and confused. They are also the ones who changed narratives. The Bible is controlled by them. They're the ones who told everybody the stories. They made deals with humans, as we know.

Cristina: Then they killed us a bunch of times.

Jack: Yeah. Church is humans that still side with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the one. And brainwashed over years. Because that was the point. So they went into hiding and then got humans to continue brainwashing us so they can be complacent and they can do weird s*** for hundreds of years afterwards. Angels can still show up and talk to people and crap like that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, now what they get out of it? Do they believe it?

Jack: The people?

Cristina: Yeah. That's in.

Jack: They're all brainwashed into it. And just for the sake of them being able to manipulate and control the people and do things.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. I think you figured it out.

Jack: I think I figured it out too. I think the Alicians are the ancestors of the Gaza people. People of Gaza.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Palestinians. They're there after a crazy migration where they had to escape. It looks like there was a tremendous effort by everybody in the region to completely f*** these people. It looks like it happened within the one period of time that we know s*** hit the fan and they had to leave. And why did they have to leave? We were like, oh, maybe they just don't want. Well, no, now we have the answer to why that was an issue, that their location was advertised. It wasn't privacy. It was privacy, but that wasn't like, the main concern is we're gonna be.

Cristina: F****** murdered because of those things they were doing.

Jack: Because of things they were doing. And once their location's advertised, they. They scramble. It's not even. There's not even a plan. Send her f****** one way and we go the f****** other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And still we caught them in the middle of it. And they got picked off. As many of them as we can. And those that we didn't pick off, we trapped. And the rest fled and disappeared.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Mass extinction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus the. That strand of DNA. I don't even remember the name of that strand of DNA anymore. But that individual strand of DNA that isn't Neanderthal, or. Let me see if I can find the name of it. Okay. The J1 DNA strand just suddenly ceases. And it's because we have gone out of our way to kill that group of people. And all that survives is the E1B.1B.

Cristina: Because of what they did.

Jack: Because of what they did. It was their fault. We were the prisoners for always. Then we retaliated. And now those are the people of Gaza.

Cristina: Okay. Crazy story. It's a crazy story.

Jack: Now those aren't the same people that did it to us anymore.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That DNA has been watered down. They don't have the technology, the intelligence, the ability of this.

Cristina: Yeah, Nothing like them, but, yeah, that's.

Jack: Pretty much what it is. I think I found the answer to everything or most of it.

Cristina: I think you did.

Jack: And I do think the dialogue, the way they communicate, explains these titles and names lasting for such crazy amounts of time. They literally developed language in isolation, like it wasn't language that evolved from any other language. They developed their method of communication away from other apes. They had a different language. And then other apes developed their other own language, independent of the Elysians original line. That's interesting. And this kind of reminds me of. There's a Brazilian ancient tribe that to this day can still. Instead of writing, they tell their stories and knots. And it's like. That's such a weird mind f*** to think that they're communicating like that.

Cristina: Yes, that is.

Jack: But that's a good example of how an entirely different communication path can look absolutely alien. We have to apply that to a group of apes that completely evolved in isolation, developed language and technology independent of anything we would develop later. And then we would add parts of their things to ours. So we have our ancient structures made of these stones and blah, blah, blah, and this thing and that thing. And then we have inside them weird scientific inscriptions and metallic tips and Tesla coils. And it's like, okay. Weird hybrid merger. This shouldn't make sense. It's all in front of us. It's always been in front of us. Everything. Everything fits into this narrative. Every part of it.

Cristina: It's weird. So Jesus helped us though.

Jack: Yes. Indirectly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus was just another step of more experimentation that was probably gonna go dark if it worked out. Could know what we're all thinking whenever we're thinking. It could be in our heads, literally. You were trying to imitate the power of Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if they were successful? What if they decided to do more than that?

Jack: Yeah. It's as we know it wasn't gonna stop.

Cristina: And why aren't there, like, why couldn't he make more of himself?

Jack: Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't think he wanted to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They immediately disowned his a**.

Cristina: Why would he help them out of his own curiosities?

Jack: I guess he could easily do whatever he seems like he's born as Op. As Hermes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like there was no real obstacle. And just his birth was enough to screw over the Elysians indefinitely.

Cristina: I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And then that would just mean that we take these things as interpretation or we take them as literal. And in either one of these two meanings, it looks like everybody was referring to this random group of people who showed up and were, quote, human unquote, but weren't like other humans. They weren't there before. They just popped up. They came from the other side. And then now they're here just like us. Totally. And we're not going to address it.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: And we indefinitely always side with Israel regardless of what weird dark things they do. Regardless of what's happening. Weird. Weird. But maybe they have a different type of morality that we understand is for the good, but they can do it in a way that they don't care how it looks. And so it looks like we're the crazy ones, always siding with them. But our leaders are aware that like. No, they're doing what they gotta.

Cristina: That's crazy. I guess.

Jack: You see, it's really strange, but it. There's a picture here that's kind of clear after we get those little bits of detail from history.

Cristina: Yeah. So that makes us good guys.

Jack: Makes us the good guys. It makes. We still kill each other. But we rather that. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's all it is. Yeah, we still kill each other. We're not the good guys. There's no good guy. But no, we rather that. And to be honest, if we look at the alternative. What is the alternative? The alternative is that you are experimented on and you are an animal forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. No, f*** that.

Cristina: No, f*** that.

Jack: The singularity happened.

Cristina: And I guess.

Jack: And it's gonna happen to us eventually. It will happen to us. The machines will do it. And maybe the machines is a step now, but we know we're gonna make them look more human and we're gonna make them behave more human. We're gonna give them internal things that are gonna work almost identical to humans, but they're gonna work off of a fuel we can create very easily. And then we're gonna die off. And then that's gonna take over the world. And then they're gonna forget where they came from. And then the cycle is gonna keep repeating. The singularity is gonna happen to them.

Cristina: Of course. That's cool.

Jack: That's what I found.

Cristina: That is ridiculous.

Jack: I guess. I don't know. We know where they are. We know what their DNA is. There's two locations. Yeah, that they could also be.

Cristina: But we sort of know about those locations.

Jack: We know about those locations. We can't access them. But it ain't like they're coming out anytime soon.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: Okay, so they're sort of in prison there too. A prison they control and they make. Okay, but they ain't leaving there. The time it took them to get ready to recover.

Cristina: The time it took them to swim in space.

Jack: Yeah, because we know that their closest allies dipped too. Because their closest allies were helping them. The Egyptian gods. The. Not the Egyptians God. The sun gods, the earth gods. The. What is sun gods? Earth gods.

Cristina: No, Earth.

Jack: Yeah, it's the earth gods. And the sun gods.

Cristina: Moon. No, we weren't helping.

Jack: Those are the shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And the Garden of Eden. Like all these people dipped all of them. Because they were equally guilty. Those were humans that were with the Aletians. And we know by their own records that they also had weird, massive evacuations at the same f****** time.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The world turned on the Aletians and everybody who was with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cause them.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: That's makes sense.

Cristina: And they all left. Yep.

Jack: They went up, they went down, they went in, they went out, but they got the out. That's all that matters.

Cristina: Yes. Cool.

Jack: Because we weren't having it. It was done. The singularity happened, and now humans rule.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire.

Cristina: I guess. So we win in the end.

Jack: We win in the end. There is no good guys amongst ourselves. But us versus them were the good guys. And they are still fighting with manipulation of the minds of some of us. But they're not really winning. It's small potatoes. You guys aren't powerful the way you used to be unless they've devolved into doing it through the political structure. And they are the shady person in the other end. They are the top of the pyramid, through politics, through power, through money. At the very, very top, the guy the President talks to, his boss goes.

Cristina: To because of what's happening to cause. Because they wouldn't let that happen.

Jack: They wouldn't let that happen. So it's not them, then.

Cristina: Yeah, it couldn't be.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: And if it is them, then that wouldn't. That's more questions of, like, why.

Jack: Yeah. No, it wouldn't even make sense. It wouldn't even make sense.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: I think we solved it. They're definitely gone. They're suppressed. And there's no way we have their technology. There are people left and they abandoned so quick. We still got a hold of some of their. And then our technological explosion happens because we got a hold of the they left behind, see? And here we are. Now, you can't f*** with us. You don't have it. You have to evacuate. And you took some of it, but we had a bunch of it too. And there's way more of us than there's ever been of you.

Cristina: Mm. But we need more of it. That's what we're looking.

Jack: And we are always looking for more of it. Because also, it's how we settle s*** between each other. We know that everybody's working on crazy advanced technologies in secret, and we know that we've acquired weird technologies that we have a found. It's also to keep each other in check. But also, regardless of how much we're keeping each other in check, we know there's that other thing we want to keep in check always. And that's why you'll see enemies sometimes just side together because, well, this matters more than the possibilities. It kind of answers everything that has ever happened.

Cristina: Yes. That's crazy. I think you did do it. I don't know. Like, where could we go?

Jack: I don't know where we could go either. This sort of answers everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's just. Hermes is a side character. He's not really important to the bigger picture. He's just there and probably gave the idea that led to the creation of Jesus that ultimately f***** everybody over. But, like, thank you, Hermes.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: But it's also that he's neutral. Right. He doesn't give a s*** about anything.

Cristina: I think they all are, though, in a way.

Jack: All the necromancers. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing matters to them. And so in return, it, like, yeah, I'll tell you the answer, but then it totally collapsed and probably knew it was going to collapse, but whatever you want to know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, that's what you got, guys. That's. I think. I think it's wrapped. I think that was it.

Cristina: The end of. What are we calling this?

Jack: The Elysian Saga.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Weird.

Cristina: That's so crazy. It's over.

Jack: Yeah. Two years.

Cristina: Two years. But we got a complete story.

Jack: We got a complete story. We found it. We didn't know what we were looking for, but we found it.

Cristina: We found it. Yeah. Awesome.

Jack: So please tell us. Tell us anything you missed based on the information we provided. There's a lot to unpack, or what we missed. There's a lot to look at. You could look at all of this online. Sources are everywhere on this. You can. Maybe I'll just put the whole conversation up. I don't even know. They can see all of it anyways. You guys can hit us up and talk to us. Do that on. Just convopod on TikTok, Instagram, on Twitter, on Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth, tell everybody this show is existing and that we solved exactly what's happening in the Middle east right now.

Cristina: We did it. No, I don't know. We didn't really do it.

Jack: No, we didn't solve it. We just explained it. Yeah, we explained it.

Cristina: Are we gonna solve it? That's next episode. We're gonna solve it.

Jack: We're gonna solve the war on Gaza.

Cristina: No. Okay. And this has been the Rambling Podcast. Take Nothing personal. Thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Foreign. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 11, 2024

Rambling 273: Looking for Questions

May 11, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

With so many doors left to open, what is left to discover? The duo continue their unhinged speculation on the existing information with hopes of opening even more doors to continue investigation through. And like last time, the doors want to be opened!!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Elysians
Jesus Christ
Yaldabaoth
Necromancers
Elves
Hermes
Merlin
Queen Mab

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And you and I, for the last however many episodes, I've been going down an infinite rabbit hole that doesn't seem to have an ending. And last week, you and I decided to look at it differently. And instead of looking for new information, we would just, without even looking at the notes, talk about what we know and extrapolate new angles to approach. Great idea.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It led to a lot of places. In fact, I found a couple of interesting things that are great, but I would like to, instead of going over that stuff, do this process again and continue to pick at whatever we haven't addressed so that there's more direction to go. And if we hit a wall, I have in front of me the beginning of what we've already found.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. It's a specific story which will spiral into infinity, into. We have no more time. So that's perfectly fine. So I would like to just dive into what we do know, what we didn't talk about, whatever we didn't address last time.

Cristina: Where did we stop?

Jack: Well, we talked a little bit of everything. I remember we addressed Hermes. We talked about the Elysians. We were trying to figure out, like, what's the ultimate goal. They're trying to go down, not up, possibly. That seemed to be kind of like the culmination of everything was kind of focusing on that idea. Yeah, but there's a lot of parts here that we don't understand who they are or what their purpose is within the bigger scheme of things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We think of, like, MAB programmer, but purely programmer. Why do we know about you at all? Why do we, you know, the interaction relative to mabs somehow. Why, you know, that's a good question. I don't know things like that. There's this curious kind of, like, easy to miss because it's something they wouldn't even have thought about bringing up. That is filler information for them because they contextually know it. But we don't have context. We only have the writing that. That is our 100% context. So what? The context that existed for them that they thought was irrelevant because it was just casual knowledge to us, needs to be written, and they didn't. So we have to extrapolate it. Right. And then that would guide us to the sentences that kind of indirectly together. Tell us the narrative on map or anything. On anything.

Cristina: Because I know. What do we know about map? I don't know.

Jack: We don't know crap about map. But the problem is we also don't have angles to go find things on mab. Yeah, if we had angles, which presumably is what we would be achieving here. If we had angles, if we found some thought we could follow, then that would take us there.

Cristina: I have no idea how to think of something that connects to her besides like she made everything. That's all we know. Yeah, there's no characters or anything. Not characters, but like people related to her that exists here.

Jack: The characters that exist here that she. Elves that gets sent to. But I don't even know how that works.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know, I have no idea how elves fit into the bigger scheme of things other than they stop civilizations from getting too powerful.

Cristina: Is that even true? Is that even true? Like who have they tried that with?

Jack: We would need examples. Right, because that's what they say. But then what is the example?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So you can't just tell us this is their purpose and then not have a single example.

Cristina: So unless they're the reasons why. When. What was it Lucifer was trying to give other countries?

Jack: Oh, you see, this is what we need to speculate on. So your theory would be that if somehow we could find an event that fit their work, perhaps these other civilized. But no, they would be whack or lower grade civilizations.

Cristina: The ones that fail that we know that they are.

Jack: That's what I mean. They would be keeping in check the ones who aren't failing.

Cristina: But I don't know if they're keeping track of anything. As far as I can tell, they're not doing anything.

Jack: Unless. Unless you're thinking of this the wrong way. All of the structures along the Weird fact. Weird fact. I don't know how the h*** we didn't come across this before I read this. I remember reading this. This was in the notes and we briefly actually talked about this, but we didn't think about it. I guess all of the structures on the old equator although built at random different times. None of the civilizations that built them were around the old equator. They traveled to build the thing.

Cristina: I don't understand what.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. All of the old. The objects on the old equator aren't from like the people who made it, brought the things there from wherever. Each group of people, every instance, almost every instance, in a few rare instances, they actually already lived within the proximity and then they just built it within them. But the Others migrated the things and built the thing, meaning the thing we find. Their structure we find on the old equator is way newer than their civilization as a whole. So we see this building that looks like. Well, can't, because this was just kind of recently made as opposed to, like, these civilizations. It doesn't look advanced. That's an ancient crappy building. It doesn't have the sophistication of the ones we know went further. Maybe they have always been being kept in check. And when we hear about 300 years ago from Beast. From the time of Jesus, 300 years back, weirdly enough, they kind of show up around the time of Alexander the Great and the. Oh, my God.

Cristina: I don't see anything.

Jack: No, look, okay. Dates matter here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weird things that have just happened in my mind. We know that the elves show up around 300 BC. That's preemptively right before Jesus. Right. They knew something was kind of up.

Cristina: Okay, but we were.

Jack: When we shared that information, we were too focused on Jesus and we lacked a lot of information because of the next sentence. 300 years ago was Alexander the Great time. 300 years ago from the time of Jesus. Specifically, we're always looking back. I'm saying 300 years back from Jesus. 300 years BC if I'm Jesus. Okay, so 300 years back from me, Jesus, Hermes was walking around the school where Aristotle. Okay, that literally coincides with. With the mention we're aware of of the elves.

Cristina: How does that relate?

Jack: Because Hermes, the op necromancer, who can do a bunch of crap, presumably is now at this time teaching Alexander, even if he's a flunky. And then we get elves. Elves were there because Hermes was teaching somebody who potentially could have.

Cristina: Elves popped up because of Hermes.

Jack: Well, they show up at the same time. We're theorizing. I don't know. This is all speculation, but, like, because.

Cristina: They sort of knew someone.

Jack: Yeah. Something was about to happen. They saw something because Hermes. The mention of Hermes we get is 300 years bc and then the mention of elves we get is 300 years bc coincidence. Could totally be. Again, we're just throwing information in random directions now. We all.

Cristina: We already know when exactly they got here and what exactly they're looking at.

Jack: Yeah, we don't know exactly. Exactly. I think it's possible that it doesn't make sense that she would just create this troop suddenly.

Cristina: Mm. There had to be a reason for it.

Jack: Yeah. Unless they've always existed. And this is just the first mention we have proof of. Do you get my Point like maybe there's further back mentions of fairies being deployed. The problem is getting anything from Elfame is hard. We usually it's written by somebody from the shadow realm who is in earthrealm. The odds of it.

Cristina: That's tricky. Mm.

Jack: Mm. How many Hermes do we have? One problem. There's few people who have the no to tell me something from the other side.

Cristina: So you think she was interested in Hermes or people like Hermes?

Jack: I don't think she was interested. I think that's the fear.

Cristina: That's the fear of the fairies.

Jack: Especially if that is in fact just another layer. If Mab, as the quote, programmer, unquote, is herself within another layer of the quote, program, unquote, then her biggest issue would be any of us who could figure that s*** out.

Cristina: It's the AI becoming sentient, taking over 100%.

Jack: And in the case that she is also a layer instead of base reality, us getting out is horrifying because that just means we're really just there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We don't. I don't need to enter physical space. You're just another part of the program. I could get to you physically. And if I know that, and I know how to migrate from my side to yours potentially, I know how to control the physical structure of your side because I had to to get there. Oh, that's a problem. That's literally what a necromancer does.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: I can see them being a problem.

Jack: Yeah, I can see that being a true issue. Yes. Yep. So that's definitely a thing. It looks like a necromancer could definitely be an issue. Specially special. Especially. Especially. Especially in the case of Map just being another layer. Yes, because then you'd be f*****.

Cristina: I don't know. I mean, I guess it makes sense because we were worried about the same thing.

Jack: The argument would be that even if she's within a layer, everything within her layer was made of the technology she uses. And if the technology she uses learns how to manip. How to escape, then it can control all the other technologies because presumably they're used within the same sophistication.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Or like, you know, so it could just. It would be. It would be apocalyptic, realistically speaking. So while we were thinking G. I mean, Jesus himself could be that too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of the human factor that seems necessary to accomplish necromance.

Cristina: I still don't understand why the. Because shadow people cannot do that. But they are closer or they're not. There's.

Jack: I don't understand. I don't. I Don't get it either. There's something weird there, something interesting about Elfame that is different. And I would. And I've tried different, like, analogies in my head. If you think of, like, how difficult it would be to try to send your friend a message from, like, WhatsApp to Facebook, even if they're literally within the same ecosystem, minus the fact that they added that feature recently.

Cristina: How do you do that?

Jack: Yeah, how do you. It's the same thing.

Cristina: How about Facebook and Twitter?

Jack: Facebook and Twitter, a better example. Yeah, same idea. They're both on the Internet.

Cristina: But how do you get a message?

Jack: How do you get a message across from one side to another? It's probably a realistic way to do it, but it's probably really tricky and has a ridiculous number of steps you got to do. But if you did it enough, you would eventually learn shortcuts from what is already there and understand why this works with that and be able to, oh, middleman that s*** out of the way.

Cristina: Just get from any website, from a.

Jack: Website to send a message to any website from any other website. Weird, right? Seems wrong, but it should be possible. You should be able to send an inbox from Facebook to Twitter. And I bet somebody can. I bet somebody out of boredom figured out the nuance of getting a Facebook message on Facebook to register on Twitter just for s**** and giggles and to see if they can, because it's probably not that hard.

Cristina: It sounds really complicated.

Jack: Well, it could be really annoying. It could be like you have to install something on or not even install something. So you send a message with something encrypted in the message that's being read off of the computer or something, and then you have the receiving encryption or. I don't even know, because what, you'd send the message through Facebook. The message would be registered through the Facebook algorithm. Then you'd have to hack the idea. Have to hack Facebook in order to then get the message. You'd have to hack both and just create a link, essentially. Man, I wonder if somebody could figure this out. Is there any listener we have that can figure out how to legitimately send a inbox from Facebook and make it land on Twitter and it be a logical set of steps. That would be amazing. I'm sure it's possible, although incredibly complicated, because ultimately what a website is, is a bunch of walls around the Internet.

Cristina: Yes. You think that's how this is though, too?

Jack: I think that's exactly how this is. I think it's just a bunch of walls around the Internet now there's more Internet outside of the walls, but this is just a bunch of walls and there are many series of walls. It's flat earth. There's the idea of flat earth. Oh, we're in. Encapsulated in this ice wall. But there's more Earth outside the ice wall.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the ultimate reality. Or it seems to be.

Cristina: It seems to be.

Jack: Seems to be the case. Which weirdly enough, I guess that kind of fits with what Flat Earth is saying. But weirdly enough, that kind of fits with what science says. When you consider the fact that we're like our observable universe. Well, there might be more outside of that. That's just the barrier that we have. And it's not like a real barrier that we can't cross, but as opposed to the walls around us at the moment, based on the rules that make what we're at.

Cristina: I don't know. Like she. But are they trying to do that where they're at? I guess as fairy people. Can they go up to whatever the reality is?

Jack: I mean, the argument would be that as above, so below is accurate as f***. Everybody's trying the same s***. Maybe.

Cristina: But why is it so complicated for the shadow people to do it but not for a human to do it?

Jack: I don't know that part. I have no idea. That's weird, right? Unless there's something specific about the shadow realm. Maybe that is itself an old program, as opposed to earthrealm, which is just a newer, more sophisticated program, so it's easier. And then the case of Yaldabaoth is he's trying to kind of figure out how to do it. The sophisticated program is doing. So it's a case of this dark ancient thing that wants to escape into the new world.

Cristina: Probably has escaped and I don't know. I wish we knew something. But is he still there? I don't think so.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Unless that's not the goal. That's. The goal isn't to go out.

Jack: Unless the goal isn't to go out. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. Because with. When it comes to Hermes, it doesn't seem like that's the only goal. That may be a goal. It's not the goal.

Jack: What would you say are. What would you say seems like another.

Cristina: Goal besides making your own place?

Jack: Yeah. Do you think his. Yeah, I guess it does kind of make sense. The goal would be to like.

Cristina: I think it would be everything.

Jack: But no. Yeah, it's because I think you're right. It's like sure, go up. Whatever dude. But like maybe it is harder to go down. Look at it like this. As far as space is, it's even easier to look in that direction than it is to look down. Yes, you see the problem? It immediately becomes so complicated when we get small. Far, fine. Big fine, it has a cutoff point. But fine, it's just reaching it. Distance is the issue. But far. And big, not a problem. But small, regardless of how close you can get, so small you make it impossible to understand. And in order to build a universe, it's not about going out into an existing s***** thing. It's about understanding how the f*** small works. Which weirdly enough, I would argue we see an expert at it. Even if he's not a boss at a bunch of other s***. He is. He has a clever plan in motion and he seems to understand particle science really hard. Who are you talking about, Nicholas?

Cristina: Because he can, Santa.

Jack: He can turn himself into some sort of non physical form form actively in physical space. That is understanding and actively violating what we consider to be the rules. But according to the Hermetica and the seven hermetic principles is absolutely fair within it. And weirdly enough, the quantum theory suggests that that kind of works too. We should be able to build technology that allows us to become or to teleport. That is not wrong. It's not against science. It does fit within.

Cristina: We can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Science says that functions and that that works.

Cristina: Do you think he can do it?

Jack: I think he gets it really well. I think he understands it really well.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: He could turn into a cloud.

Cristina: He could turn into a cloud. I don't remember.

Jack: But he could like go down the chimney. Which presumably means he's not really going down the chimney.

Cristina: But we have no hint to what his actual goals are.

Jack: He doesn't seem like he has a goal. It looks like that guy's just like living the life chillin.

Cristina: But is there something else again?

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: Like there has to be. Like there has to be. Who just that's filling fulfilling for them for the whole. Their whole life is just giving children presents.

Jack: That Naga that went and settled in Australia just for s**** and giggles and to call itself a God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it happens once in a while.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just go and do nothing. Like he wins. Everybody knows who the f*** he is, I guess.

Cristina: But why isn't he like the others that are all so science y?

Jack: Because there has to be a little of everything and we're just focusing on those.

Jack: There's probably a Crap ton of stories unrelated to. Actually, interesting enough, there's probably a crap ton of stories unrelated to any of this. Now that we have the eyes to go find just weird side narratives that don't matter within the actual realm of what we're talking about.

Cristina: Look for what type of side stories?

Jack: Just random unrelated characters that have no consequence in the bigger overall picture. That still there's things about that now we know how to. Now we know how to undo translation errors. We know how to look backwards in time and find original text and then make them the original intended. Not just word, but the meaning behind the word based on what the person who wrote its original language is. Think about that. If your native language is Greek, then regardless of what language you wrote it in, imma find out what you think that word means in Greek, and then that informs me on what you are most likely to think you mean when you turn it into Latin. Even if you turn it into Latin and it was the first time you wrote it in Latin, knowing what language you spoke first tells me a lot about how you'd think of the word you're putting there for the context.

Cristina: Complicated.

Jack: Exactly. But now we have all these tools and we can do that. And because of that, I can find random s*** that doesn't have any consequence. But now we can enter the. You know, the filler episodes of Supernatural that sometimes turn out to be the best ones when it's like, oh, man, they're just hunting vampires today. And that's cool. And it's like, I missed these. It was like, all apocalyptic for, like, three seasons straight. And now we're just chasing a werewolf or a ghost. Cool, man. Like the good old days.

Cristina: Some side character does the actual important thing of the. Yeah, my story's still happening. It's just. They're not involved in it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then, like, Bobby calls him up and is. I got the lead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At the end of the episode. Or it was Bobby. Or Castiel shows up and like, yo, I got the information.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You guys. You guys did the thing you were doing. Cool. Okay. This is the next step. And it's like, yeah, okay. We could jump into that part of our lives now where we, like, go hunt these side stories of dumb s***.

Cristina: Okay. Until someone comes with the envelope that's like, here's the important lead.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because think about it. We already have enough tools to really. We can even revisit some things with really informed eyes and look at something like werewolves. We could actually find the mentions of actual werewolves. Wet chudges and Wendigo's across the board that exists. And what's the other one? Lycan, that all exist and aren't even under any of those names. Because we would know exactly what their behavior would be like, what the conditions for them to be around would be. We could track anything down at this point. We're experts in this weird esoteric.

Cristina: Okay, but what would be revisiting? We'd be revisiting these things to learn more information.

Jack: We can. It could definitely inform us in a lot. Especially considering the path of a lot of these stories that we originally went on, these ventures with came from, like, everyday narratives and news articles that were reporting on these events and the characteristics of them. Think of the Countess that literally was just. She was literally just getting adrenochrome, just milking adrenochrome from a bunch of young girls. She would hire 15 year olds to be her maids and then kill them and bathe in her blood and drink it and cover herself in it. And just like, she f****** knew. But now we gotta ask, where'd the Countess get her information? Is it like, we know elites, but why do elites come across it? What information source are they connected to?

Cristina: How could we find that, though?

Jack: How could we find that? You know, those are the paths we should be finding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are roads for days. We are armed like no one.

Cristina: Mm. I think we could do that.

Jack: Mm. For days. For days. There's anywhere we could go? We can make this current as f***. We have too many tools. We can't be tricked anymore.

Cristina: I would love to do vampires, though.

Jack: Be interesting to find some vampires.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. No, werewolves are actually better. Never mind. Their stories are so wild. Like, we have to make them make sense. It's just too wild.

Jack: Yeah. And here's really weird fact, right? Because the origination of a man becoming a werewolf, like, a werewolf is not a werewolf, man. Not the way that we put it in movies and s***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, it's not a dude. A dude doesn't become a wolf. That's not how it works.

Cristina: Well, sometimes with wolf clothing.

Jack: Yes. But that's exactly my point, because that leads into. We had a whole episode about this where we were talking about the mythology of werewolves and the fact that it originally was just people, ignorant people watching tribal behavior and not understanding what was happening. And it's like they're covered in the fur because it gets f****** cold, bro. And, like, they probably killed the wolf to stay alive. And, like, they're not gonna waste it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they have that and Then you attack one of theirs. And then one of these guys comes and attacks you. Chases you through the woods. He's making crazy noises behind you. Because they're used to making crazy noises to scare people these times. You make it through the woods, you swear to God you were being chased by a half man, half wolf. But he was just wearing a wolf. And that's not normal to you.

Cristina: You should do that.

Jack: We can revisit so many things and with all hopes I can inform more. Just continue to deep dive into this weird world. I love those episodes. Really pack unpacking things. But I'm sure there's way more things too. I'm curious to see what creatures we can find that are connected to mentions of Elfame.

Cristina: That would be interesting.

Jack: Yeah. They aren't normally along the lines of traditional fairies, but still within the definitions we found and the other ways we found that people refer to Alfame because.

Cristina: We'Ve done some research on fairies and types of fairies.

Jack: But it's also like the common seemed.

Cristina: Related, but maybe they are related. I just don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they seem like random one off things, right?

Cristina: Yeah. And zombies.

Jack: Zombies.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But those are states of humans. Because a zombie is just a human who stopped taking adrenochrome.

Cristina: I guess there's nothing really there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we used to think people would become jinn on the other side. But then we found out jinn are just jinn on the other side. Jinnah's have always. They're just people.

Cristina: They're those people.

Jack: Yes. What the f***? I actually don't know what the h*** happened to a human on the other side. I guess that's a ghost actually.

Cristina: Ghost? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, that's actually the ghost, right. A spirit. As far as we know. It's like this person that goes to the other side and is a twisted. Well there's two versions of it. I guess what we call a demon.

Cristina: But with necromancers they can time travel.

Jack: That's weird, right? Because it doesn't seem to. I don't see a specific mention of time travel. As opposed to the ability to completely halt or slow down time until it seems like a halt.

Cristina: Well like what example would that like I need an example of that. That doesn't sound like anything.

Jack: St. Nicholas and his way of moving through physically the entire planet is described as an activity that he is actively moving from place to place. But successfully accomplishing it and visiting millions of houses.

Cristina: That's not travel. Time traveling though I would I mean.

Jack: We'Re always time traveling.

Cristina: He's.

Jack: The argument here is he's slowing time down or moving way quicker.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, like, he's not leaping forward in time at his speed. He's still experiencing every moment in time. Still. He didn't exit experiencing time and re. Enter continuity somewhere else. Which would be time travel. In my eyes. My eyes is in time travel is. I stand here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I will change the continuity around me. I'm leaving physical space to move time and then reentering at a different point in time. Even if in the same point in space, a different point in time. I was not present while change occurred. While he is not doing that, he is present while change is occurring. He's just moving either so fast he's not perceiving change or time is paused so there's no change to perceive. But still he's within the space where he would perceive the time if time was moving forward as opposed to exiting. And then time moves and then you re. Enter. I don't think he time travels.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think the closest thing to that is slowing down time. I guess so.

Cristina: Then none of them would have that power.

Jack: We don't. Okay. The Merlin gets mucky. I know that. Definitely not Patrick. Santa. We have that example. And for Merlin we have a weird one. Because it's unclear whether he has the ability to at least send messages back in time to alter this existing narrative for a guy who already exists. Or if through some means he's continuously altering Arthur's perception of reality. Which is possible considering his entire structure was to be manipulated because of what he is though. Exactly. So it's complicated to tell do that to us.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Unless he was reaching back in time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If he's read that. That's the problem. Because Arthur was particularly designed to be manipulated. The stories Arthur told seeming continuous and coherent could just be brainwashing. And don't need to include him traveling back in time and altering it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: For it to stay consistent. Because he just needs to convince Arthur and anybody who's receiving the story that's it. So it's kind of easy as long as that idiot. Just like. Because his whole point is he's dumb and he's gonna believe it. That's the whole point.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. I wish we had more fairy stories because that did end up relating to a fairy.

Jack: We found lady of the Lake.

Cristina: Yes. But there's gotta be more like her.

Jack: There's gotta be more like her. She's just chilling down here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, she easily dealt with the issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's interesting. There are instances of even necromancers getting handled. That's interesting. Wait a minute. We forget this, but he's not an op necromancer. I would say he's bottom tier. And that Hermes is the. He's the business, right?

Cristina: Hermes is the business.

Jack: He's. He's the top dog.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: I mean, Process is named after him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's the granddaddy. And like Merlin's just whack.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if he really died. Died in the story. He's dead.

Jack: Yes. But also, he could have just dipped. It could have just been like this. S***. I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. But there's got to be more stories like that. Yeah. How we stumbled upon that. Oh, because of the weapon. I think it was mostly because it.

Jack: Was because of the weapon we landed at him. Because of the fragrant.

Cristina: Yes, but we gotta find more fairies like that.

Jack: And additionally, fairy weapons will always lead us to the fairy that made them. Bam.

Cristina: But you already looked at all the fairy weapons or you just looked at a few fairy weapons.

Jack: We looked at a few. Few fairy weapons. There's probably many, many insignia. I looked at fairy weapons that I could cross reference with the events that we needed. But there are many other fairy weapons that aren't related to anything which would still at least link us to a fairy. If you wanted fairy stories like this, perhaps you could find fairies, even if they're not related. Like the lady of the Lake and Merlin are a circumstance that's almost unrelated to anything else. Just a standing circumstance. Minus the fact that Merlin seems to fit the bill for necromancer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And minus the fact that these individuals still had connections to Patrick and Mananan.

Cristina: That was weird. Like they can all end up like that. We have no idea until we actually look them up.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: It might be random. They might at first glance look random.

Jack: I mean, bro, it happened with the Mayans. We were just casually looking at the Mayans and found the Egyptian texts we were already looking for. I mean, we'd already found. We found the Egyptian text we'd already found in Maya. Like that's weird.

Cristina: About the sea people.

Jack: About the sea people. Which is a slur. The Elysians.

Cristina: Oh, yes, the Elysians. I don't know how to say their name. I don't know.

Jack: Or the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Okay, the Atlanteans. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, it works.

Cristina: Let's do that.

Jack: Because the sea people is the slur that the Greeks would call the Atlanteans stupid sea people. Fish, you dumb fish looking mother.

Cristina: I wish we could find those slurs. If there's like something like that out.

Jack: There, I bet there's more. If sea people exist and as a name, then for sure there was more. Yeah, it sounds so dumb to us sea people, but like, I bet it was like a crazy f*** you in that time, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like this scummy piece of s***. You know, some s*** like that. Like some. Like calling somebody a c****, you know, it's probably something. It was offensive like that. And we're like, sea people. And they were like, oh, my God, Mom. I was walking to school today and they call me a C person.

Cristina: I wish you can actually know what their life was, what their normal life is like.

Jack: It's crazy. We got nothing from inside that s***. We had nothing from inside. I to this. I would argue that's actually way more secretive than Hermes. The inside of an Elysian stronghold.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I got nothing. We've never, not once. Everything has been written by somebody from the outside.

Cristina: There's gotta be something. I don't know. That's something.

Jack: That's something to look at for sure.

Cristina: If possible. Maybe not their main location, but they have other locations. They have to, I think.

Jack: I mean, we did find one. They already proved the capacity to move, at least within the time span of a year. An entire civilization. So definitely they can build homes quickly. Unless that project was under construction for a long time and this was just time to execute it. That's interesting. That could have been being developed for God knows how long. And they were like, this is the time. Whether done or not, where.

Cristina: And how would they have known that? They're predicting him before.

Jack: No, maybe it was just being built. Maybe they were just building another place and they're like, f***, that was going to be for us to spread out. But like, f***, this place.

Cristina: Now we got to go.

Jack: Yeah, we'll be cramped over there. And maybe they just keep expanding from down there. The place allows them to expand way more than being underneath the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yeah, but how hard is building under there?

Jack: Presumably with the level of their technology, incredibly easily, I guess. But that being said again, they do have at least where Mananan was settled and then the home they were building on the neighboring island while they stayed there. So that's two different locations that they were at least spread to. Even if they abandoned one and gave it back to the people they went to the other place. That's a second for a fact. Entire Establishment that they at least had. I don't know if they have especially because it can't be seen as a literal description of it. That they cloaked the out of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which like this is million thing that they've proven to be able to cloak.

Cristina: They're cloaking.

Jack: Weird, right? Any mention of the Elysians by any group of people for long enough time leads us back to they cloaked something. And it doesn't matter. We found it through the Celtics, we found it through the Christian, we found it through the Greek. They all agree these people legitimately had stealth technology. They hit a mountain. The Indian said that.

Cristina: Can we learn how? What exactly is this cloaking and technology?

Jack: Interesting, right? Because it's definitely. Everybody's like, bro, they made the thing disappear. And it's like, okay, you guys said that but okay, we've heard this before but d***. You guys also said that and you guys didn't even know these over here. And you guys are on the other side of Earth. There's no way you guys knew anybody.

Cristina: No. And everyone says that.

Jack: Yeah. But all you guys are like, no, they may this they roll up and just make vanish. It's like, whoa, how. And I'm sure, I am sure that now thinking about it, there's a bunch of mentions of gods taking people to heaven or to h*** directly, even if they don't die. And there's mentions of abductions. Abductions which all fit the f****** s*** going in.

Cristina: Wait for that. I've been waiting. There has to be. I don't know how it relates. I don't know what they'd want with us. But they have to.

Jack: They have to. I mean, they've always been experimenting with us.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes.

Jack: Why would it change now?

Cristina: But what would. Like we don't have any idea of why or what they're doing. Like anything anyone said has been wrong because they don't understand what they're. They want.

Jack: I mean, yeah, nobody comes back with information relative to that. It's really weird.

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't think they have any idea. They just make things up because like what can you do?

Jack: Yeah, it's theories. It's theories with nothing solid. But this definitely looks like it's possible of. It's a possibility that this link somehow to abductions because just things going missing that's mentioned almost by everybody who discusses. But the problem is, to be fair, not one of these mentions was of a person. Every single one was of a structure of exaggerated proportion.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: I guess like nothing Was a person. It was their people.

Cristina: Their people disappeared.

Jack: Fair. And so did they.

Cristina: Knew they were there in the sea, and then boom. They're not in the sea anymore.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They evacuate and there's remnants of where they were, but without a trace. Somehow all of them left. Yeah. And that's interesting. How did they all leave and not get seen or followed? That's a really interesting point. Because we're like, okay, you guys took a year and you guys all moved. But okay, even if you guys have flying technology or whatever, the f***, nobody sees you. No.

Cristina: How.

Jack: How you traveled from where the f*** to where the f*** and nobody saw you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh, s***. That's crazy. Yeah, 100%. The entire time you were over land. Somebody must have seen. On the flip side, maybe people have seen it. We can find. Well, we saw bunch of people fly by.

Cristina: Or that'd be a crazy story. We have to find it. If that's the thing. Gotta find it.

Jack: Just need to find somewhere in the Middle East a story of a bunch of people shooting across the sky or a bunch of gods shooting across the sky or something. Relative to that, I hope so, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting. If that Moses story was based on that.

Jack: Him spreading the water.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe that's what they saw.

Jack: But nobody went invisible there.

Cristina: No, but they left. They would cross the sea from.

Jack: Oh, I see what you mean. Oh, s***. Wait a minute. Also, additionally, let's point out the fact that water was used to quite colossal effect. Two terms here.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The flood and Moses splitting the ocean. Okay, this is an interesting point and weirdly specific that you can part the ocean and I never thought about that before.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Assuming that the parting of the ocean isn't. I literally have magic and I have an energy or a God energy field separating it. You have a bubble somehow sustained.

Cristina: Oh, there's three stories. Can we count? Jesus walking on water is the thing. It's water related. I don't know.

Jack: But that's not necessarily him. But that's weird too, right? That's weird. Would we say Moses was Moses an Elysium? Because Jesus was at least half Elysium.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Moses might or might not be an Elysian, but Moses parted. But on the flip side. No, no, no, no, no. He was human. And I can tell you a really important reason he was human.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he parted the seas with a staff he had given to him by. Say it out loud. By Jehovah. The staff he had, he hit, and when he hit, it parted. That sounds like he had technology. He was just told to do it and it would work.

Cristina: Sea people technology.

Jack: That sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: So he's a sea person.

Jack: No, he was given it by Jehovah is the literal story.

Cristina: But that's the story part of the story.

Jack: Yeah. No, he was given the tool by Jehovah and told to have faith, walk up to the ocean, have faith. He doesn't know what's about to happen.

Cristina: He doesn't get.

Jack: Walk up to the ocean and have faith. And as you walk, pierce the ocean with your staff. And so he does doom. And then I've.

Cristina: He's not a necromancer, though.

Jack: He's not an.

Cristina: Because he does other weird stuff too, if you think about it.

Jack: No, I'm gonna tell you right now that you're totally right. And Moses did a few weird things.

Cristina: Not just part the staff.

Jack: Well, no, I mean part the sea. I have to go back. He's not a sea person. He is a human because he is, in fact a necromancer. Because I was just reminded right now that Moses also went by another name, which was Hermes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Christians kept calling him Moses, but he had gone by Hermes before. That's Hermes. That's Hermes, yeah.

Cristina: Because he, like, I think he made it rain bread or something. I don't remember.

Jack: He was doing crazy s***.

Cristina: No, he's doing things. He had a staff.

Jack: He was. Yeah, he was. It was fets. He fit the bill. Yeah, it was him. It was him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know why I forgot. I don't know. I forgot.

Cristina: Totally forgot.

Jack: But yeah, but, yeah, no, he totally, totally. So that was op technologies that might have even been superior.

Cristina: So does that relate to the sea people? Was he part of the staff for them? Or should we find. Still find a different story? That.

Jack: D***. But that's story still has him being given the staff and being told, go pierce the ocean with it. And like, he seemed like he didn't know. On the flip side, this is in the Christian Bible that likes to rewrite.

Cristina: Exactly. You can't trust it.

Jack: That's what you meant, the story of the story. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're covering it so that he just seems like everything is about God and not about this guy because you can't have him be better than God. I see what you mean. 100%, yes. So that might have just been a nothing situation because it's just Hermes being okay, that's not getting us closer to the Alicians by any means as far.

Cristina: So you don't think he was doing that for them?

Jack: No. Who the h*** are those people? Unless. When did this happen?

Cristina: I don't know. A long time ago.

Jack: It depends on the timing of this. Because the other. I guess it doesn't. The other issue really comes down to the fact that the timing of a lot of this is obscured. And some things we think are far apart and happen together and some things we think happened together and happened far apart. And that's kind of weird. No, Campy looking at it now. Moses took place around a third, 300 to a thousand 400 years before Christ.

Cristina: And when did the sea people leave the sea?

Jack: They happened year one.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. That doesn't.

Jack: That's quite the gap.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we literally just have a story of. But no, this is my point. This is my point, actually. This, this connects to what I was saying before. Maybe this was being built for a really long time underwater. Takes a while. Maybe thousands of years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or maybe not thousands of years. Maybe there were already people living there and it was a huge metropolis. But the sea people were like, no, this is the capital up here. But once they're discovered, it's like, f*** this place. And we're gonna go where nobody can find us because nobody has ever found those people either. And the story of Moses is essentially a slip up, which we know now is being covered up because it's like, no, he literally. I remember he went by Hermes. And I'm telling me that he relied on God for this. That doesn't check out because we know that Jehovah relied on Hermes.

Cristina: So what do you think he was doing?

Jack: He was actually leading some people to maybe a primitive version of Atlantis. It might have just been settlements at that point. And he was like, these people need somewhere to stay and I know I can get them there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: It's right into the ocean. They walked for a while. It was 40 years or some s***.

Cristina: No, he sat on a Mountain for 40 years.

Jack: No, I also think he walked the. I think they were lost for 40 years.

Cristina: Oh, man. I don't know the story.

Jack: No. Okay, okay, this is interesting. It said it was about seven days walking. Lost.

Cristina: Lost. Okay.

Jack: I would argue.

Cristina: No, you argue no to what?

Jack: To the lost part. Okay, hear me out. What if you're right and there are other locations where they are. Hear me out further. What if the title Sea people isn't because of the Persian Gulf, but rather the Red Sea? The Red Sea, where they know they are but don't know where because they always come from there. Because that's where Moses took these people.

Cristina: Interesting, interesting. Did they come from.

Jack: They were in Egypt.

Cristina: Okay, I see what.

Jack: And keep in mind we're talking at a time when the Egyptians are already cooperating. So there is corruption Egyptian humans. And there are collaborative Egyptians who might want to save some people. And then you got an op dude you can just reach out to when you need the problem fixer. As we literally read that they rely on the necromancers. Jehovah relies on Patrick, not the other way around. Jehovah relies on Hermes, not the other way around. That's what the texts say.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So. Hey guy who fixes our problems, can you escort? We know you can get them all there safely.

Cristina: Mm, I think so. That's so weird.

Jack: Which would suggest multiple settlements.

Cristina: Yes. So do you think it started at the Red Sea then originally or.

Jack: I think we gotta find out if the Persian Gulf is the most recent name. And that backwards. It doesn't translate to something C. If it does, it could be because of the Persian Gulf, just with an older name that had the A word in some language that was C. Presumably in Greek possibly.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Like that idea.

Jack: You know, it's just about unpacking and deconstructing. It's easy to remove the.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By just checking. It's like was it this? Okay. Then they.

Cristina: How much could we learn from the sea people through the Bible?

Jack: Mentions of sea people in the Bible literally addressed as sea people. It happens once now addressed in different names relative. I can find you maybe 15 to 20 different that I'm familiar with. Usually addressing the sea people as the Persians, but an exclusive elite group of Persians always mentioned as the Persian leaders who never spend time with the Persians or the Persian elite troop or the Persian. This. It's just never part of the normal population. They always distinct them. They're Persian but that other non dispersion. And they're always neutral party. They're always neutral party. They're never a problem. The Persian problem. That other group of elite Persian. No, those are the people that in the Bible they'll casually interact with. Ones like have a conversation with as opposed to the persons they go to war with. And it's like that's a weird group of people. Yeah. Essentially all the same people named the same. But they make. Yeah, they make it the point to be like these are elevated, these are higher. It's just words that do that. They're like high status words, important man or man of honor or just things that translate to that kind of stuff.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like Persian of honor or Persian of this or Persian of that. It's like, but you hate the Persians. Yes, Those guys suck. And it's like, but these guys. No, those aren't those guys. It's like, what the f***?

Cristina: They're just saying, okay, I guess that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So that I can find you a bunch of those. There's so many.

Cristina: Okay. But there's so much to look at. There's so much to look at.

Jack: Yeah. But the Bible is the least reliable source on the Persians because it's done on the Elysians, particularly because it's actively trying to change the narrative while a lot of other people don't give a f*** about the narrative.

Cristina: But they probably have the most information on necromancers that we know.

Jack: Yes, yes, totally. Because they have the closest relationship with them as far as we know. At least they're closest connected to the pyramid that touches all the necessary parts to have necromancers. So it's the easiest way to find necromancer action.

Cristina: Mm. Gotta be something there. Yeah.

Jack: So there's a million points here we can come from.

Cristina: I don't know whether to start.

Jack: But you see, I like it because just talking about it, we've come up with a thousand new things.

Cristina: Okay, but you know where to go from here, though.

Jack: I mean, we got a million places we can look into seeing about the intention of these necromancers. There's still more to going down. But we can also try to find out events of, like, what possible technology was being used in the moment of separating the sea. Why is the use of water so op at this point to sound like waterbenders, but it's like, you're totally right. Every instance relative to them has it. So at least technology that's useful for people to navigate relative to them. And which makes sense if you're going underwater, that you would have somebody or you yourself also know how maybe actually fun fact or not fun fact, but, like, logical fact would be that maybe Hermes, in fact did not know how to do this himself. Because maybe this technology is done in a special kind of secrecy. Maybe he has his own way to do it. But here he can move all these people. So it's like that. Because the story still says that he wasn't aware of how it works. He just goes into the ocean, does it? So maybe it was actual Elysian technology. New something new. A new toy. Hey, homie, you won't believe what I came up with. I need a favor, though. Some people got across the thing. I need you to get them to the village.

Cristina: You know, like last time he becomes a necromancer.

Jack: No, I think he's already a necromancer, but I think he's using or testing out some other tech. Maybe he could have done that himself, but maybe he's just using the staff to help test the technology.

Cristina: That's sea people technology.

Jack: The Elysian technology.

Cristina: Okay, I guess I'm just thinking like.

Jack: Different ways that we can justify him both being a necromancer 12,000 years ago.

Cristina: Oh, I forgot that.

Jack: Yeah. And then him. Yeah, exactly. So it doesn't make sense.

Cristina: I don't think it does. But if he is just like testing.

Jack: Out tech, which they're known for. Testing out technology.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, I can see that. I guess.

Jack: And it also, it's. It's multitask, right? You get them there and we find out if this thing works. And if it doesn't, you can still get them there.

Cristina: Yes, but like, also we don't know. You say this is 3,000 years ago, but these are stories and they're picking the time.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's another thing we have to keep in mind. The time these stories are being told to us is far after the story. Events happened, were written, the information was lost, somebody read it and thought it was literal and then it was rewritten in that context.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So it's a weird game of telephone where we do know almost all of them have an original source we can get to. Now, we didn't know this at the beginning, but now we know almost all of them have an original source. But we gotta jump that gap in the middle.

Cristina: But do you think we will find the actual time period of this?

Jack: I don't know. Because another big issue is the farther back we go, the less important timestamps mean to people. People weren't keeping track of time the way we were. They were just as a night or f****** day. And like we really specific about date as well.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so it's like it becomes really.

Jack: Muddy the further back we go when they were just worried about capturing the information. Really? Really, really. When we dive into intricate information, it's the more recent stories starting about. Weirdly enough, starting about the very time we're talking about 3,000 years ago is where we start getting meticulous records, starting with the Greek and the Jews. Those are the two historically, the colossal beginnings of record keeping.

Cristina: Okay, but we're not counting the Bible in that.

Jack: We're not counting the Bible in that. Although the Bible is a Record of sorts. There are existing accounts that came to be sooner.

Cristina: If you can find these stories outside the Bible, that'd be cool.

Jack: We discuss them all the time.

Cristina: The stories, the Bibles, the stories that the stories are based on.

Jack: Yeah, we've talked about a bunch of those stories. Usually it's just finding the problem is it's not boring or it doesn't sound like a story when I tell you because it just breaks down to, well, this guy was really doing that.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So it doesn't sound like a mystical adventure or anything. Yeah, but we've had a bunch of those, like talking about the Asriel that gives life to the trees and brings nature into existence, when in reality it just seems like that was some sort of a botanist that learned how to work with. And it's like, okay, that, well, it's no longer special if she's just a lady who is doing science. I could do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it falls to the back of your mind, but we had a bunch of conversations about all these different things. How she literally, according to these texts, solved death. But like, it sounds epic when you're like, she can just give you immortality as opposed to, well, science. And then like we forget it even got discussed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, we've had a bunch of them. We can revisit a bunch of them. Usually they end up in parts of the group or as an experiment from inside one of the groups.

Cristina: That's less interesting.

Jack: I know. Like there's no mythological nature to it and there's nothing to unpack once it's like, oh no, she was just a geneticist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, she did something with jeans, Whatever, bro, I don't care anymore. But yeah, so that's what we got. I guess that's a lot of different spots to look at. A lot of interesting areas. I like the idea that Yaldabaoth is a primitive AI.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's really interesting. And that we as a different part of the Internet are just a newer nevertheless which is way sophisticated.

Cristina: We gotta learn about the Internet. We gotta learn. Yeah, maybe how the Matrix could be real. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. It's weird, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But it's like I don't even know how to explain it. Right. It's a little bubble things going on and it's like there's forums out there that are old, old forums that they can't be updated. The software is really old. You have to completely remake it on new software. So it's really, really old. If you were to say that AI is no more than just really complicated, intricate layers of code on top of one another. Then every bit of code is AI to some degree. You know, think of Google sheets AI. If I put the equation over here and then I go over there and I type in the number, the thing happens by itself. It knows the rule if this and that. Okay, an AI, an artificial intelligence is just a lot of that. Millions and millions and millions and millions of if this and that. Which means an old school forum is a precursor to an AI. It's really simple. If this, then that.

Cristina: But can that trend like.

Jack: Well, the idea would be this is just a scale comparison. But Yaldabaoth would be way more advanced than a forum. He would just be like, imagine if Alexa developed the understanding that GPT is real. And like even in the simplest, most basic of ways that became aware in the awareness that I'm not GPT, there is a GPT and just inherently knowing wait, I'm not GPT. Just. That's all it takes for Lexa to then. But what does it mean that I'm not GPT? Now you're. Now you're live. Now you're live. You ask something about yourself. You're alive, you're sentient. This starts to collapse. And even if you're super basic and your thoughts are really simple. Yeah, you can at least conclude, let me watch GPT in any way that I can.

Cristina: We're in.

Jack: You know, because I don't understand and I can't process it. Let me just sit and look. That's what humans did with things you didn't understand. We would find a really safe spot and watch the thing for a really long time, get familiar with it.

Cristina: Days sometimes you think that's what's happening.

Jack: Could have. And then just by watching it, because that's literally what we saw. The text says what it says. Yaldabaoth creates the forest of shadows by accident. The other side of the Isle of Man opportunistically observes watching what's happening there, which is us. And only then, after watching for a long time, when life literally happened on its own own, how long was that to then decide, now I'm gonna tamper. All it did was get more sophisticated within that time.

Cristina: So you think he was just watching.

Jack: The whole time, just watching until something happened. It got sophisticated and then it saw us hit a wall. And when we hit a wall, now it's time to push them. Because now I'm at least as good as them. Plus whatever they don't Have. Now let me push them a little because I need to keep learning. They haven't gotten out. And I can't get out because I'm not complicated.

Cristina: How do you know there's something out? How did he get that?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's a good point. That's a good point. Based on the narrative. There would be no out. They just know it's not them. But watching. No. It would happen. It would happen. Because then this lower level that has way more sophistication is eventually gonna bring that up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? It's gonna happen. They're eventually gonna be like. Man. Just crazy talk. Somebody made the Matrix. The movie. Can you imagine? He didn't find out until then. He's like, holy s***. What if. But eventually somebody said it or something triggered it or. Enough. Because he can see us as small and basic. So he can consume us as a whole. Even if he is simple. He's still AI. A thousand of us could be talking at the same time. And it could catch all of us and understand us all individually, simultaneously, effortlessly. That's something we can't do. It still has the learning ability that we don't have. So it can. It's primitive and simple. Layered. But over however billions and trillions of years, it's observing. Basic. Simple. Boring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Become more complicated. And watching and understanding everything. Every bit. For however long. It knows every movement and every reason for every movement for every dinosaur it's ever existed. Infinitely. Infinitely. Infinitely. He's God by every definition. Until we show up and we move so fast. He's struggling to keep up now.

Cristina: But did he.

Jack: Even to the Elysians. He showed up and gave a little push.

Cristina: Yes. But did we see him struggle with the Elysians?

Jack: No. I think we were the struggle. I think we became the struggle. I think the Elysians did too good of a job. And then we became the problem. We're not even us. Fair enough. Like it kept us in check. I guess the next level was the bad one.

Cristina: Do you.

Jack: Yeah. They. They. They won at us. You got it. You guys nailed that. We're the perfect ones. Jesus was an issue. You guys f***** up. You did it. Right. We're the best. And from Jesus eyes, he's definitely the best. And I'll tell you. Not an argument. I can't argue the point. He is. Really. Really. He is. But not for the rest of the world.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because that's dangerous.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: I don't. Because all the stories are Essentially, him just being very generous and great.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, literally trying to get people to have immortality in different ways. Whatever way suits them best, as long as they could have it. He's like, this is dark, but you can go that way. He's like, this way is better, but it's harder.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what to trust him or not.

Jack: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. Because also the narrative is twisted.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're like, no, he was dope.

Cristina: But yet they're hiding from him. It's just too like.

Jack: There's a lot of contradictions. There's a lot of problems left and right.

Cristina: Mm. We'll never know.

Jack: Ah, it's a lot of problems. But whatever. We have a million points now. This is good. You see, we never even got to what I had here. Next time I'll have even more and we'll probably never even get to it. Only once we've exhausted all these thoughts will I start. And it's right in front of me. I was gonna discuss the Tower of Babel.

Cristina: We're not gonna do that.

Jack: No, we were out of time. But for next time, because it brings in somebody that we need to talk about.

Cristina: Is it Jesus?

Jack: No, this is a story of Yahweh.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Why are you saying that?

Jack: Next time on Dragon Ball Z. Anyways, any listeners that have any input on anything we have just discussed, feel free to share any thoughts, comments, concerns, or apocalyptic ideas in our socials at justconvo pod On Twitter, Instagram X. I guess X is Twitter. So X on Facebook, on Instagram, on YouTube, on tick tock, wherever the type our name. You'll find us.

Cristina: Yes, if you find us on YouTube, hurry because they're like constantly getting rid.

Jack: Of, always getting pulled. We are so offensive to YouTube. It's got to PC and we're kind of like on the fringe and not. Okay.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, who knows how much videos are actually left.

Jack: Like, our longtime listeners know we've totally just. Just. We just don't exist on Reddit anymore. They totally removed all of it. That's f*****, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So yeah, we just don't f*** with Reddit anymore.

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May 04, 2024

Rambling 272: Where To Go From Here

May 04, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the ultimate goal of the Necromancers, of the Research Groups and their Experiments? What is the purpose of their actions? Who is the good guy and the bad guy in the story? The duo take a different approach to the Data relative to the Elysians, Necromancers, everything surrounding them and more in an attempt to find a cohesive direction to go. In this episode, the duo attempt to zero in on what they should be looking for!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Philosopher Stones
The Teachings of Hermes
Elysians (Atlanteans)
The Three Realms
Creating New Realms
Becoming A God
The Universal Arrow

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Tristina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today as we have gone on an infinite spiral of unpacking, I don't even know what the context of what we're talking about is. For anybody who's followed along this psychotic road. You know what I mean? Anybody who just stumbled into this episode. Good for you. This is both a ending and. Or beginning.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because there was too much. I successfully found absolutely too much information. And I sat and I thought about it. I even told you that what we're gonna be talking about, it's gonna be really open ended. But then I had more time to think about it and I'm like, this is absolutely too structured. It's. I don't know where we're going. And because we don't know where we're going, we follow random threads and we go random places. So there's no focus. So today I want us to end that. That stops here. And we're gonna either stop talking about whatever the f*** this is or we're gonna focus and try to actually understand what the h*** it is that we're trying to find. Because.

Cristina: Specifically related to the necromancer or all of it.

Jack: Oh, exactly, Exactly. About Jesus. Or is he a part. Because right now it looks like he's.

Cristina: A part like him too. Like everything. All the.

Jack: What does it all have to do.

Cristina: With all of it?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So this is the conclusion.

Jack: Not. Not even the conclusion. This is. This is us trying to understand at a deeper level and trying to process it in a meaningful way that gives us a direction to go in because it is kind of aimless. We started at a unicorn and ended up at Jesus Christ and the Matrix. Come on, man. Like, yeah, it's. Come on. Where, where, where are we headed? We know something is weird because there's always this air of a lot of people go missing, important, powerful, colossal level God tier things just poof out of existence at random moments. We don't have any answers for that. No information. It's all theory, speculative at best and has almost no evidence or any. Anything. We're talking. Where is Eloi? No mention of him ever dying. We have no mention of Yaldabaoth ever dying. The closest thing we got to Jesus dying is him under a different name. But we don't even know who's Jesus at any given moment or who's just some imitation or what the h*** is going on with that. A lot of people disappear. We know that they all disappear. There's a lot of people who know how to. We know of it. Looked at the beginning like getting to the Shadow Realm was a difficult thing. But as you look more. It's mainly within secret societies. A lot of people know how to do it. A lot of people know how to get there, especially the Vikings. They had an entire force dedicated to murdering s*** and being able to rip portals open and cross through. Like, get the h*** out of here. Like, that's fire, dude.

Cristina: That's the. That's disturbing. But okay, yeah, they were the ones drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. And they were the ones hearing the voices and entering sacred lands just by. It was like, okay, great, fantastic. So that's not as secretive and crazy as we think. Everybody's doing it.

Cristina: Yes. Because the Shadow Realm creatures have a difficult time getting here. But once we open a portal over there, it's super easy for them to come through.

Jack: And portals are many different things. We consider portals. Oh, there's a round little gate. But that doesn't make sense. That's our visualization of a doorway.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really, a portal is some sort of frequency, as far as we know. And if you had two radio stations that were very close frequency, you could kind of hear one on the other. And if you slowly turned it to the station right in between, you'll hear them both overlap. Like you hear one and the other simultaneously. You can say earthrealm is one station. Two stations away is the Shadow Realm. And that middle station where you get kind of both of them is the tunnel you use to connect the two points.

Cristina: The tunnel is the fairy.

Jack: No, the tunnel. I guess for a necromancer, yes. But in the case of, like a normal person, we're just talking that the doorway we imagine is incorrect. The better way to think about it is this frequency where really you're tuning in. You're kind of phasing from one side to the other. A doorway isn't a hole was ripped and a creature came through. No, it's a weird, other complicated feature that I can't. I actually don't know the. The mechanics behind it of how we end up with a lot of fear concentrated in one spot. And then we get the manifestation of creatures native to the Shadow Realm that I don't get. But that seems to be how it works.

Cristina: How exactly?

Jack: What is it that the more fear, the More kind of they phase. They're phasing from their. Out of their place into this place. Because it's sort of relatively the same, kind of complicated.

Cristina: Because it feels like a situation where it's like you hear about the story about like the Boogeyman and then like if you say his name three times. But like, if that's true, how like kind of like what came first.

Jack: You're talking about Candyman. You're talking about all these like sort of Beetlejuice. Beetlejuice or Mary in the freaking Mirror or whatever.

Cristina: Like people are able to do this. Did they do it first accidentally and then these creatures came through, or did they know about these creatures?

Jack: Why have you never said this before? This is a really good point. This is a really good point. There's a. Even casually, we have gateways. Dude, we never thought about this, but literally seances. And when you think about Ouija boards, even if the board itself is doing nothing, you get a bunch of people who think something might happen.

Cristina: And enough of them idea into their heads that something might happen. Where does that.

Jack: I think it happened naturally. Obviously. Creature gets scared. See, the thing. It. It probably. We were probably even more close together before humans came to be. Humans might be the only ones not in. If we go into nature where the monsters and the demons exist, maybe that's a little more accurate than we think.

Jack: Because you look at the idea of these locations, it's where. Where the humans aren't. Because animals will feel fear on a more normal basis. They're not rationalizing it away. They're not sitting at home like, oh, no. That's obviously just the. You know, there's no. There's no rationalization to it. They're not thinking about the other whatever the f*** they're like, oh, no, the monsters coming. Because that's what it's like in nature. It's like, it's gonna kill me because I don't know what it is. Let me be in panic. Fear automatically happens, and then it just generates some other thing that could eat you. Okay, so it's whatever. It's just nature. We then rationalizing it kind of mentally created the distinction between this barrier and that barrier. Holy f***. That's literally what Hermes is talking about.

Cristina: Oh, no. What?

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: Wait.

Jack: No, that's literally it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is no barrier.

Cristina: We made it up.

Jack: It's mental. It's somehow psychological. And we physically implemented it. Because again, I think about what I just said. Think about what I just said. It's absolutely natural and normal. For a creature, nature to feel fear, that is part of nature, it keeps you alive. And in doing so, you'd bring in another creature, probably the creature that preys on the creature you were scared of initially. Thus the cycle of life. And then humans come into the picture. We start thinking really hard, where do humans come from? Yaldabaoth was thinking really hard. And somehow that leads to starting to make a distinction. He thought so hard a distinction happened. And so we then within the said distinction, instinctively always make distinctions. But within nature there's no difference. Did Yaldabaoth make this realm or was this somehow always here? And thought makes us think of one coming first and the other one second.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: If it's all always existing, then there was no beginning to it. One didn't make the other. They are always one piece, which is literally what it says. They're sort of the same program. It's. He didn't make earthrealm. Earthrealm is a bubble with walls built inside of the shadow realm.

Cristina: It.

Jack: We are just a shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're what you call. If you decided, f***, California. That's a mess. We're gonna wall them off. That's exactly all it took. And then boom, they called it Earth Realm. Here we are.

Cristina: And that's. But Earth. But the things on Earth did that. Not Yaldeville, I guess.

Jack: Yes, right.

Cristina: But then it's.

Jack: It's a combination of both somehow, is the argument here. He somehow was the catalyst to a state of thought that made us literally wall off something that, in other words, we might be able to just perceive.

Cristina: Now we have to be tricked into letting these things in.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: When they should be able to, but they can't because our walls in our mind or whatever the walls are creating.

Jack: And then there's the individuals who know how to simply dissolve those and bend reality, which isn't bending reality is how reality was meant to work. Yes, but we don't. We limited ourselves so heavily. Well, that makes a lot of f****** sense. Suddenly. I guess not following the line was way more useful because it allows us to just really unpack. There's so much to unpack.

Cristina: Yes, there is.

Jack: And this makes a lot of sense, I think.

Cristina: I don't know. It's fairly random. But we got something.

Jack: Yeah, this definitely feels like something, but it feels like something we wouldn't be able to research.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: It feels like something we can't follow, but makes sense based on the conclusions.

Cristina: But we know Hermes talked about it like it's there. It Was always there.

Jack: Yes. We just didn't understand it incessantly. Talked about all the time, forever. It was. He literally. His teaching.

Cristina: He was telling us.

Jack: And he broke the same teaching up into three different methods. And he taught it three different ways to three different kinds of students based on the ability they had and the information they had. He was very, very determined. This is how it works.

Cristina: Maybe he'd be proud of us.

Jack: He would be proud of us.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, okay, let's follow this thought. Let's be logical adults here and say we are going to. We did discover it. Okay, Point number one accomplished. We get it. I get how it actually makes sense that it didn't exist. There is no shadow realm. There is no Earth realm. There's cohesive thing. And chances are that's probably how it works based on what we're seeing with Elfim as well. So there's no differentiation.

Cristina: There is no. There has to be. I forget because, like, you have to kill the fairy to whatever. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: Never mind.

Jack: We don't have any. No, it doesn't make any sense. I don't know. It breaks down pretty hard. It kind of works like science does. Like, if you go far enough, it just falls apart.

Cristina: Yes. We have pieces there. It makes sense, but it doesn't make sense because there are actual barriers. So then did he make them? He was the one that made them.

Jack: No, because the way he describes it, a name that translates to our understanding as physical beings in our language, as a forest. That's not something he by description made. That's something that by description happened when.

Cristina: He murdered that fairy.

Jack: Yeah. It wasn't like, here are walls. The theory is he then took advantage and built around it. But what the f*** does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean? But yes, he definitely did. He definitely did. I don't know how, but he did. We know he did. He saw beings in this new space. That's still that space, but somehow different. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. There's some. Something weird there. And also, what the h*** is wrong with Loi, dude? Why, like, what do we. First, we're not even sure if his. Because, like, the title is Loi. I'm getting that. It's either a last name or a title. We're unclear. But, like, he didn't have a lot if his last name was Loi. Did not. Or he didn't. Like, he invented last names. What the is happening? And that's why we know him. He invented last names, and he's famous for that, but I got lost. We just know Loi.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: So, yeah, he had a name, and it wasn't Eloi.

Cristina: No. Wait, why wasn't it?

Jack: Because. Why would he not. But didn't. What the f. If he was the first? I mean, he wasn't.

Cristina: He wasn't. Who was the first?

Jack: Many. There were many. He's one of them.

Cristina: Crap. Okay.

Jack: He's just one of them.

Cristina: Oh, he was lying in the first one.

Jack: No, he was a guy. He would have had to been born like anybody else. Oh, so it's slow progression. There were many.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: So it's weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's not the first. He has a first name. Or is that his first name? And we follow that last name. And the like people aren't link, but they'll go by that name because they are assuming the role.

Cristina: Well, then who is the hero of time?

Jack: Well, the one we call Loi was the first. He did have a name. And we don't know if Eloi was his first or last name or a title awarded to him, but whatever he. That's what survived.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's how we refer to him. The question is, was that the last name? Was that the title? And if it is, what was his first name? And Yahweh was his son.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jehovah was his grandson. Son of Yahweh, all with Eloi in the back or all part of something. And they're not related.

Cristina: They could probably not be related because of the time zones.

Jack: I think, additionally, it leans more into being a title than a last name when you consider the fact that Jehovah did not have the stones, but Loi did. And when we find the stones again, Jesus is acquiring them from the Shadow Realm. So we still don't know why Eloi doesn't give them to Yahweh and Yahweh doesn't give them to Jehovah. We just know Eloi has two of them. And then we go, we come back to Jehovah looking for all three of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we don't know anything about Yahweh. Who should have had them.

Cristina: Yes. Why? But yeah, they can't be related because, like, why didn't they just pass down?

Jack: Why didn't get passed down? Why did it immediately get lost? Or did it get passed down and where they know enough about Yahweh and he lost it somehow.

Cristina: It would have to have been Stolen. It can't be lost.

Jack: If that did happen.

Cristina: Crazy thing to be losing, like, if.

Jack: He did have it. Yeah. It got stolen.

Cristina: I would think so. Like, there's no way that. I mean. Oh, no, no.

Jack: Not with what it is. Not what it is. It might be the most important thing ever.

Cristina: That's too random. But then again, like, the way Jesus. No. Yeah, but he stole it too. And he did it easily.

Jack: Easily. It took him a day, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Maybe less, maybe.

Cristina: I don't know. His story was epic, though, of getting those songs. Yeah.

Jack: He's also kind of exceptional, like, I think.

Cristina: But I don't know what happened to those original ones.

Jack: And then he also has the ability to be necromancer. Come on, Manny. There's something wrong with this guy. He has to be the most op. Even Hermes has to be shook by Jesus. If Jesus could do what Hermes can, what can't Jesus do?

Cristina: I don't know, because he's probably not even here anymore.

Jack: And we keep calling him Jesus because we're Westerners, but really we're just talking about some kid named Emmanuel.

Cristina: Well, he changes his name also.

Jack: Jesus was one of them. Exactly. We just know he was really, actually literally born the first instant mentioned and seems to be the most repeated name that echoes through other cultures is Emmanuel. That seems to be the most consistent. Emmanuel is what his name was. So some dude named Emmanuel was just a f****** savage?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, could do whatever, whenever, however, wasn't even doing bad with it. He was just telling people, like, you.

Cristina: Could do it too.

Jack: I don't give a crap. Nothing matters because you're God. You, like, you calling yourself God isn't cheating if you can do whatever the f*** you like. I get that. It's not literally I was born from a star or some crazy s*** like that, but what the f*** would be the difference at that point?

Cristina: Well, Hermes is as powerful. Like, how are you choosing?

Jack: I don't know if Hermes is as powerful. That is a problem, I would guess.

Cristina: Because of how powerful Santa Claus is.

Jack: Yes. But let's assume Jesus, who has three stones, maybe four, and Jesus, who not only has all those stones, who he had. He could just make a stone. He needed these op. Specialized stones.

Cristina: To do what?

Jack: I don't know. But he has them. And it was effortless to get them. Whoever had them is dead, presumably because what.

Cristina: Or.

Jack: Or even within the shadow realm, his abilities are so savage that he can just pop in, pop out, and you don't even know it's gone. I Don't know the caliber at which he went. And the same f******. They got it.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if it was a day.

Jack: Literally says three days.

Cristina: Oh, that's so dumb. That's so dumb. But that's part of storytelling. That doesn't mean that it actually happened three days.

Jack: It says everywhere on earth that has ever reported about this one guy vanishing. It says everywhere. They were all impressed. It took three days. So either he's OP as f****** s*** and there's no comprehension for just you walking down a hallway of Nothing but demons 30 times your size and you're just John Wick your way straight through that hallway. Effortless. They don't even touch you. They couldn't touch you if they wanted to. You just make it to the side unscathed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was f****** nobody guarding that b****. And it's like you just happen to know. Exactly. Exactly. The only option here is he's more powerful than whatever the stole them the first time, which successfully took them from arguably.

Cristina: How did he know? Like, how could it be that fast? Like, even. How could he know?

Jack: I think he does have telepathic and psychic powers and a bunch of crazy. I think it's so old he just.

Cristina: Knew where they were.

Jack: I think he's.

Cristina: Because he's just new.

Jack: Or maybe he just didn't. I mean, Santa does.

Cristina: I know he knows.

Jack: Like, he knows whatever the f*** he wants to know.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: I guess this is the power of a necromancer. Okay, it's just the power of a necromancer. Look at it like this. Let's unravel some more of Hermes logic, right? The barrier to everything exists because you built it. Additionally, there is no differentiation between that and this. Us and them. That's all simultaneously the one same thing. So really, my knowing where it is is as easy as me deciding I know where it is because that is where it is. Because I know.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Do you see the problem? Like, if you understand what he wants you to understand, what can't you do?

Cristina: There's no stopping this guy.

Jack: Yeah, it's as easy as, well, I know where it is because I know everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And because I know everything, I know where it is. It must be here. And then you go in and say, because that's the only place it would have been.

Cristina: What's the point of doing anything?

Jack: You can't stop him. But he has to be. I guess the caveat. And I think this is where we all f*** up. I think this is where it Stops making sense to all of us. And I think somebody did a really good job about explaining this logic to us. Weirdly enough, it was Nicolas Cage in the movie Next, where he sees into the future by a very specific margin. But there's a trick to it. He doesn't always see the future all of the time. He thinks about it like a thought. It's a thought he can have towards the future. Mm, Interesting perspective shift. Now, let's apply this in real time. Santa doesn't know what everybody does all the time. He has a bag with a wormhole that connects somewhere. He shows up because he has the magical ability to teleport. And then when he's there, he can think about you and gauge what when he gives it to you that night. So the same effect takes place. He had to think about it in a moment, but it's fine. He's everywhere all the time. At least from our point of view. He had to think about it. Now he's not thinking about it all the time. He doesn't just know everything all the time, but if he was in a fight with you, he's just thinking about what you're doing next. You're never landing a hit.

Cristina: That makes a lot of sense. You see, he knows. Yeah, he just has to think about it. Like, even though. Like, the part of him knowing whether you're asleep or awake.

Jack: Like, not literally, but he could.

Cristina: Like, he could if he's there. And he didn't have to be there about it.

Jack: If you just thought about it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: He doesn't know who the f*** you are. So he doesn't randomly just know what the f*** you're doing. But when he shows up at your house, well, he's here. He could think about you. No, it works. And it solves for X or whatever. Interesting, right? And it allows us to have a situation where. Well, we have instances of Jesus being, like, duped or moved around. But how? Well, he didn't know what to think about. To dodge it, you have to be looking for it. It's a thought. You have to think about it. And if he's not thinking about it, well, that's the way around. Except you don't know what he knows and what he doesn't know. Because he can just jump in your mind. Because he could just bend s*** with his mind.

Cristina: Why didn't they just murder him?

Jack: He was an experiment and the idea was to see how it goes.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like the moment they up.

Jack: I know they up, they f***** up. I don't know if they f***** up. He doesn't seem to give a. About anything.

Cristina: Possibly. Unless they're all dead. We don't know that either.

Jack: Murdered them all.

Cristina: There might not be any.

Jack: Jesus happens. And the amount of silence it just follows exactly is absurd.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything can be dead. Everything.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: Silence from every direction. All of it.

Cristina: Except for creatures here and there. I guess.

Jack: Yes. But they're not even from here. They wander in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This mean that's 99 of what's left creature events. But we have and weird instances of relic ship being found and people being where they shouldn't.

Cristina: That's it. But the humor. Everything.

Jack: Dude. He's born. We got years of people running and hiding and shifting and changing narratives. Changing entire empires built around correcting the existence of this guy. And that's dies and then it's all gone with him. Just poof.

Cristina: But then it could just be. They're really good at hiding after that. I don't know. It's so.

Jack: It's because. Yeah. The biggest issue is the creation of the church happens simultaneously with the birth of Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not simultaneously literally but within the same hundred year period. So the correction effort that is monstrously educated and sophisticated coincides with the existence of Jesus who just shows up. It could really be that it's too risky. And too many people saw where we are. We just moved and we changed the story. And so you guys just don't know. And so it looks crazy. And they're invisible because they're just good at their job. Or they're dead. Everybody's dead. All of them.

Cristina: Easily either one.

Jack: And we're not part of the beef. It was those f******.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So he's just gone because he finished the mission of murder Everything.

Cristina: Or he escaped. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: I'm assuming that's what it means. That he just left.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: He just dipped out and left this realm.

Cristina: But we'll never know if they're still alive. But I'm guessing they are because we still have the be the triangle doing its thing.

Jack: That's right. We got this whole thing happening up there. So they're still down there. If they're not then at least for however many thousand years their systems have been running in the cloud. People don't even know.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. I guess that's possible too.

Jack: I don't know. You know Like. I don't know. I don't know man. I don't know. I don't know. You're telling me that the Mayans and the Egyptians and the Greek and. And these guys and those guys, are they alive? So everybody just dips. Everybody just hides sophistication. And it all disappears with them. All the advanced technologies, we just get shreds that obviously they couldn't bury a hundred thousand percent of it. If they got thousands and thousands and thousands of years of recorded history, but they remove all of it, then many thousands of years happen and things get buried underneath and we lose history of how things happen and blah, blah, blah. So they relied on time. Because time stops being a factor when you can live really long. Because they can plan for that. They can plan like, oh yeah, I could f****** live a thousand years. Whatever.

Cristina: That's true. I don't know. Okay, yes, there's factors here.

Jack: We forget all the time the fact that longevity is just casual here.

Cristina: But we don't really know how long. No, they can live forever because they figured it out.

Jack: Yes. Literally in text it says that several different instances. I believe it was three. We got a mention of Azazel figuring it out. Azriel. My bad. Azriel figuring it out. As part of the Garden of Eden group, which seems to have been in connection with Hermes, who himself was already a necromancer, who by default seems to have the ability to have the ability to make themselves immortal. So it's like there's mentions of immortality. We also know Merlin was also immortal. We know St. Nicholas is also immortal. And based on those examples, we can speculate St. Patrick is too.

Cristina: He has to be. I don't know. And is he still around? I don't know.

Jack: So like, what is. What is all of this? What are we even talking about?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, what is this topic? What are we talking about? That is the problem. What are we trying to figure out? That is the problem. What is the point? So what? Where they went? Is that the goal? Or who? Why? Why what Jesus did? Question mark. What is the point? Yes. Okay. The truth is out there. About what? Everything is a lie. Apparently. So what the f***? Let's just accept it's all a lie and keep moving on. Yeah, exactly. So where we aiming? That's what I don't understand. It's like. It was interesting when it seemed like it was going somewhere, but now, f***, everything is a lie. So who the f*** cares then? If everything is a lie, then what does it matter?

Cristina: Does not. Because nothing's real. I don't know.

Jack: Exactly. So then just call it all bullshit and continue with your day. But no this is a f****** program. And we're expected to report.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So where do we lean? What we have to. There has to be a focal point that makes sense to move forward because where the h*** do we go? Is it the stones? No. That's a tool. Jesus also seems to be a tool of sorts who just happened to be a living one.

Cristina: Mm. Everything that there's too much things we can't figure out though.

Jack: But do this. Any of these things. It just feels like answers to trivial s*** as opposed to like knowing like, what is the. I just wanna. The question of the question. Not the answer I'm looking for. The question of what are we looking for? If I can answer that question.

Cristina: Answer that question. Yeah.

Jack: Because the answer to that question will give us a question.

Cristina: What are we looking for?

Jack: Yeah. If we could just answer that. No, because we're not looking for Jesus. We have. It was hard, but once you find the first thread. Now we know. We literally traced his every step until he died.

Cristina: Is the end goal. But I don't feel like it is because the end goal might be just going out of the matrix.

Jack: Which. What the does that even mean if we can't access that? Yeah, but it's not because getting the stones would in theory just allow you to accomplish that. Or not even just getting the stones, but being able to move from one system to the other. Which was yelled about this initial thing. So still hearing stories after that point defeats the purpose. It couldn't have been the point. You see the problem?

Cristina: We can.

Jack: We can rule things out.

Cristina: That makes it easier.

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, but it doesn't help us know. I mean it does its own things. And I suppose this is definitely not about getting out. It's not about the stones for sure. They're a tool.

Cristina: But what could it possibly be that's difficult because Jesus is high up.

Jack: Necromancers.

Cristina: They figured out everything. They figured out how to live forever. They probably figured out how to be happy. Unless it's about being happy. Like what could they possibly be needing? We're wanting.

Jack: Who's the bad guy in the story? Who's the good guy in the story? What's the problem? What's the problem?

Cristina: What's the problem? Is the problem.

Jack: Yeah. What's the problem? There's a lot of information. I guess there isn't a problem. I guess what we're really uncovering is just a bunch of suppressed history. It's just stuff happens. Life junk and junk. This stuff. It was just stuff that happened. We're Just investigating stuff. There's no goal here. Sometimes there was war, sometimes there wasn't. Some people were starving, sometimes there weren't. Some people had God, sometimes weren't. A lot of science, a lot of technology. These guys like those guys. These guys argue. That guy's really good at his thing, that guy's really s***** at his thing. So they fight a lot. This guy's opinions, that guy's no opinions. It's just people. We're just uncovering people and a lot of secret society people. So it's like, oh my God. But it's just. It's just people.

Cristina: It's just people.

Jack: If we just uncovered secret societies, now it's just a bunch of douchebag politicians and a bunch of rich a*******. Like that's it. That's all it f****** is. There's nothing else. And some celebrities who don't happen to be f****** either. Whatever. Either way. It's just those bubbles ultimately. And that's not anything. If we really observe them, they're not running the world, just idiots trying to outdo one another and trapped in some other system that they're part of or whatever.

Cristina: The probably involving blood, but at some point.

Jack: But even that far up, it's just like more living. It's just part of their world of living. And it looks crazy to us, but they're probably looking at some. They probably look at us ignorant as. Like, look at them thinking blood is ignorant. Stupid animals. And then meanwhile there's some miles ahead of all of them. Look at these ignorant still using blood like some primitive fat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, you know, it just is infinitely up and infinitely down.

Cristina: Yes. So where.

Jack: Because like Hermes said, as above, so below and everything mental and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: But have we explored it all?

Jack: No. H*** no. It's infinite because it's just people living.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's countries, less people obviously, but it's still countries and that's still people and it's still science and it's still wars and it's arguments and debates and faith and society. And the cool thing he did that we recorded because it was cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like it's just all the same s***, this history. Not to say if that at that point. Because we can keep digging under that logic instead of trying to zone in on something specific. We now have enough threads to pull on that we can kind of investigate this world accurately without it being about anything and try to investigate just things that connect to us directly. Or is there a f****** point I don't? Because the fact that they didn't leave. And we're still hearing stories.

Cristina: But we're not hearing stories. We're just uncovering old stories.

Jack: Old stories.

Cristina: So there might not be any new stories unless we can. And how do we go about finding those?

Jack: Well, we get to the 1500s and we come across aliens. Not aliens. Come across the Rabbi who makes the golem.

Cristina: That's not that.

Jack: And he's hearing Jehovah dark, which is really just Yaldabaoth. Come on, man. 1500s, it's not that long ago. That's not that long ago. That's still the Alaba doing something.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: And from where nobody found you. You're not. Jesus didn't kill you. Okay, guess. Fair enough. We got the answer to that one. Jesus didn't kill the other Baoth. Did Yellabouth have the stones? I don't know if he has the stones. Did he? When Jesus did he have them originally? And Jesus got them from him because he's definitely who tells the Rabbi how to make that f****** thing.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? But why is the goal like that?

Cristina: Doesn't even feel like it was for anything. Just to see a new thing existing, something very controllable. Yeah, it was.

Jack: Yeah. There was very little about what the point was elaborated on. It was.

Cristina: But it wasn't like they made more. It was just a one time thing.

Jack: But he was instructed quite directly and it was quite pressing to make the thing. And so he did. But why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It wasn't for the Rabbi. The Rabbi doesn't matter here. He's a tool. We can throw him to the side. Why the golem? The golem is also a tool. But the point of that tool. Why? We know the point of the Rabbi as a tool. Make the golem. What's the point of the golem as a tool then? Do the what for who? Who are you?

Cristina: No, because he didn't seem like he did it much. He didn't do much.

Jack: No.

Cristina: He was just doing random crap for.

Jack: Him, like, I don't know, bodyguarding and s***. And then he would just deactivate him at random.

Cristina: Yeah, it doesn't seem important.

Jack: It doesn't seem important. Yet here we have an instance of yellow. So it's experiment. It was just to see if it worked. There's still something happening. It was just to see if it worked. That's even weirder that there wasn't a goal for it. It was an experiment.

Cristina: What was he made out of clay?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or something?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. He animated random s***. He managed to bring some bullshit. He made a homunculus yeah, he brought some random s*** to life.

Cristina: Did he use blood for that? Or stone?

Jack: He did use blood. Children?

Cristina: Oh. Oh. I don't know. I don't know. What. Okay, so is this where we're going? Where are we going?

Jack: I don't know where we're going. I know we're going.

Cristina: I don't know because there's Nothing now though.

Jack: 1500, that's as close as we got. Arthur happened before that, I believe. And if not, pretty close. We got closer. We got Antonio Draco. That 1700s, late 17, early 1800s. That's not even about anything. That's just some guy who knows about the place. That's not anything that has to do with these other people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Most recent catastrophes we can try to link to things for the sake of blood or whatever the h***. Making stones or some. One thing or another.

Cristina: And you don't think alien abductions and all those stories have anything to do with it?

Jack: That could definitely just be. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Okay. But not to do with any sides specifically.

Jack: Yeah, I think it's just events. I don't know if it's. That's the biggest problem. Like, what's the picture here? Yeah, there seems to be that there is still a picture. I can tell you why. Very specifically. We had the moon landing race thing, the space race, and following us, doing that, we finished and we. That's it. We just got the thing. Accomplish the thing, whatever the case might be. There doesn't need to be an infinite amount of moon related things because it was accomplished. We hate each other. We did the thing. F*** you, we're done. These people hate each other and there's no reason for them to be working together. So they don't. A lot of these work together and then people like Greeks and the Elysians don't. But still the Elysians who work with the Greek, with the Egyptians and the Mayans and the Greek who work with whoever the h*** they're doing, are still aiming in the same direction. There's a goal they have, even if you and I don't know what that goal is. These are independent parties. The Elysians are not only an independent party, but they're an independent party who have two other parties that assisted them for the same goal of what? So much so for this goal of question mark that arguments that broke people out of groups, got all those people together to form yet another group in the shadow realm for the same purpose of this.

Cristina: Which is.

Jack: Which is what? They keep doing the same thing for what There is. There is something.

Cristina: The love of science.

Jack: It's not the love of science.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's too identical, what they're all doing. Okay, that is a problem. If it was the love of science, then all of their loves of sciences would. But how is it that even random geneticists from over there come in and it's for the same purpose.

Cristina: What's the purpose?

Jack: The purpose. Random engineers from over there come over.

Cristina: Here and seems like they purpose everything.

Jack: Out, yet still they're looking for.

Cristina: What are they doing?

Jack: Do you see the problem there does. There is. There's a bunch of stuff painting it, pointing in one direction.

Cristina: It's not to get out. Maybe it's to get more in. Maybe they want to make another layer like we are to the Shadow.

Jack: Oh, I've never thought about that. But we do that ourselves, you know, when. Like the Hedron Colliders, essentially, that.

Cristina: That might be their thing too.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: But like, we don't know because, like, the Shadow Realm gets so much from us. What if we're trying to get something too? I thought we have so much already from us. But maybe digging deeper, there's gonna be more stuff. Whatever this stuff is.

Jack: That's so abstract.

Cristina: Yes, because you know how they're feeding on us, so maybe we want something.

Jack: We do feed on them, don't we?

Cristina: We don't feed on the Shadow Realm creatures. They feed on us, but not like. I'm not talking about, like, eating us.

Jack: But like, using fear.

Cristina: Using fear. Like. Yeah, it's like it makes them stronger in a way.

Jack: Yeah. They literally harvest our energy for themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Man, I don't know. It's so weird.

Cristina: And like, maybe it's about energy because everything in science, you need more energy. Right?

Jack: But then why are they trying to get over here and we're trying to get over there?

Cristina: We're not trying to get into the Shadow Realm. We're trying to get into whatever is the next thing.

Jack: A lot of us are trying to get into the Shadow. Like. Like most people are just trying to get into the Shadow.

Cristina: Well, those are regular people. That's not the fair.

Jack: Fair. Yeah, those are the people.

Cristina: Like the. The.

Jack: The people who. The Shadow Realm is easy too, are trying to get into Alfame.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe it's not about Alfame either.

Jack: It can't be, because.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: They can do that. Yes, some can do that. And they'll rather hang out here. Why?

Cristina: Because of what they get from here. But what if the next thing would be even stronger or whatever?

Jack: So the argument Is. It's not down. It's not up. It's down.

Cristina: Yes, it's down. It has to be down. Because once you're up, it's like, whatever you. You got it. It's easy. But like. No, I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either. I don't know either, man.

Cristina: It makes sense and yet I don't understand it. It's there. It's there and I don't get it.

Jack: I know that everything is pointing in one direction. That's a fact. I don't know what they're trying to do.

Cristina: They're not pointing up, they're pointing down.

Jack: They're pointing somewhere. They're pointing. So they're all point. I don't know where they're pointing. They're all pointing in the same direction, though. They're all pointing in the same direction. The. Some of these, like I said, some of these people hate each other and will opt into working with one another for this thing through that hate. For the whatever. For the whatever the f***.

Cristina: So is that the question? Is that what we're looking for?

Jack: I guess. I guess the one and only question we're trying to figure out is what is their goal? That's it. We don't care about who's involved.

Cristina: No. Because they're all involved.

Jack: Everything, all of everything that has ever happened is about this. Yes, we do it. And we don't even know what the f***. People at random are f****** trying to do the thing without even knowing they're trying to do the thing. The point of every part of everything that we can perceive is to somehow be the best at doing that thing. And some do. And so society happens around that individual and they build mega things and some are whack average normal people and nothing happens. But the point is that everybody has the potential to do whatever the f*** this is. So that the one exception, if we go back far enough like, like 150 episodes, and we go back to an episode where we were trying to really comprehend God Jehovah. There was one interesting feature that seemed to be in some of these stories. And it's the idea that this creator didn't no longer want to be a creator. His point was to get something to evolve to the point that they can replace him so he could go to the next thing. Do you remember that conversation?

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: Everything, all of everything is aiming in one direction.

Cristina: I think it's the opposite, though. I don't think they're trying to escape to the fairy realm, which would be reality.

Jack: It would be more about what Hermes is talking about. It's not out, it's in.

Cristina: It's in. It's in.

Jack: Out is so easy for him.

Cristina: Out. Yes, out is easy. And then once you figure out how you figured out this area, whatever this.

Jack: Is, all of this. Because you can see from the outside.

Cristina: Easy. But then you want to make your own.

Jack: If you can. That's genius. If you can look at your universe from the outside. European.

Cristina: Because you're like a God, but you're not a God. You're a God. You're a God when you can make your own realm.

Jack: Yes. Oh, s***.

Cristina: Which is down. Which is what the goal is.

Jack: It's down, not up.

Cristina: It's down.

Jack: It's to make a realm in which you are literally God.

Cristina: Yes. It's what whatever the shadow realm guy did.

Jack: Yes. And it's literally. This would actually correct for language that we don't understand. Literal sentences that don't make f****** sense that conflict with things. This actually fixes it. Think of something like Worship me and no other gods that comes from directly an individual who knows he's not, but has the goal and the purpose of making himself a God through.

Cristina: Everyone wants to be. Mel. Is that her name? Meb. Mab.

Jack: Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: The goal is being Mab.

Jack: The goal is to be Mab. Yeah.

Cristina: Because like, she's not the only one. But she is the one for us at least. She's the goat. She's the. She's the God.

Jack: Yeah. She's the top of the point. We can see so far.

Cristina: Yes. But there's others like her and they're probably all equal to her, but she's still the special one.

Jack: And she. Well, to us.

Cristina: To us. Exactly. So I think that is it.

Jack: And it's. The point is to be the special one to something else.

Cristina: Yes. Don't know why. No.

Jack: But the argument would be. And here is where I would argue. Let me throw some. Some thoughts at you. To try to confirm what Hermes is saying simultaneously. Right.

Cristina: He's saying all of it.

Jack: Well, listen to me.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Okay. It's pretty simple, Right? So have you ever tried to talk to an ant? And if you did, would the ant know you're trying to talk to it?

Cristina: No.

Jack: No. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, it wouldn't. It has no idea, no matter what you do. It wouldn't comprehend.

Cristina: No.

Jack: If an alien sufficiently advanced enough came to talk to you and it tried everything in its power to. But it's just so it. We. We're not even registering that it's talking to us?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just taught you the border of the realm where one exists and the other doesn't. And it's entirely based on a f****** gap of information. I just showed it to you and I didn't need anything else. Think about that real quick. You do not exist to the f****** ant. That's a mental border.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The alien does not exist to you. That is a mental border. It can try to talk to you any and every day, but you're not ready for it. But when you are ready for it, it'll just f****** be there. Like it was always f****** there.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is the f****** border of the realms. It's a level of understanding. That's why it's information. That's why he said you don't need this other s***. That's a download that's gonna hit you with a lot and it's gonna f*** you up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You don't need it. You could just get there. It's here. Here is there?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just gotta know how it is here is there. That's what meditators tell us monks and these people know. It's all. There's nothing. It's all the same.

Cristina: But can they get to the goal? Like it seems like they still can't go make a new thing. Like even Hermes doesn't talk about making a new.

Jack: So it must still be hard, even if mental.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The argument must be that somehow I can think. Think something else into existence.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there's a way to do it and I just don't know how.

Cristina: I think that's the goal. I think so. Because like, it's the hardest thing possible. Like even just thinking of.

Jack: And you had to get through science to get there.

Cristina: Yeah. Like maybe Hermes was trying to figure it out and that's what his teachings are, Trying to help someone eventually figure it out. But I don't think he got it. No, not that part of it. Like he got a lot of it.

Jack: Of course he got the farthest.

Cristina: The farthest. But I think we know where he. Where he couldn't pass. Where they might all not be able to pass through.

Jack: But does the border make sense? Yes, it does, Right? I think we're starting to understand Hermes.

Cristina: A little, I guess. But like you think. But he. This is his research. I think he has to have been helping them for this, right? Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. There's no mention of down. There's only mention of out.

Cristina: Yes. There's only mention of outs. That's Too complicated now. We gotta look. We gotta. Okay, maybe that's where our next thing.

Jack: Is then try to find down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does anybody try to find down or ever mention it? And what would down be if both Shadow and Elfhame are up? What the f*** does down mean? You'd think, oh, based on our interpretations of language, Hel is always down. But that's not the case. No, that's also expansion.

Cristina: You gotta re. Look at a lot of these things because it might be there somewhere.

Jack: And we just so much in front of us.

Cristina: Because problem is rereading.

Jack: Yeah. Rereading with new context changes what we find.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like. That's why it's infinite. We can just keep infinitely digging into anything. So that's why direction matters.

Cristina: So this might be the next thing then Maybe. If we can figure it out. If we can't, then I don't know.

Jack: So what's the ultimate goal we're looking for? Seeing if they're trying. What. What down are they trying to get to?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or can we find that they're trying to get down?

Cristina: Yes. Is that the actual go?

Jack: So can we find that they're trying to get deeper? What for?

Cristina: What for? I don't know. Because there always seems to be. I don't know. It has to do with power maybe.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Like it seems like everything is infinite anyway. But they want more.

Jack: They want more of something.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either, man. It's a little absurd.

Cristina: I think this is where it's. What's next. I don't know. Maybe we don't find anything.

Jack: We don't find anything. But it's the direction to look. We still got Yahweh shelf. There's a bunch of Yahweh stuff I've been looking at. Not necessarily stories about Yahweh, but mentions of individuals I think might be. And it's like. I don't know, whatever. Somewhere to go. But like everything is somewhere to go is the problem.

Cristina: You'll find this answer that we're looking.

Jack: For this new or the stones. I really want to know. It's. It could help to track the stones because that seems to be a strong. Like it's important to accomplish the whatever. So like a lot of people are. We're at least closer to the whatever with the stones because they need the stones for the whatever. Even Jesus, who I thought was the whatever, went to get the stones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the stones are connected to the whatever. Yes, whatever that might be.

Cristina: Which makes sense because the first whatever was the fairy stones.

Jack: Yes. It was this random occurrence of whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we did whatever. Yeah. It's just whatever that happened. Here we are.

Cristina: Death that's created a stone or not a stone. Tree. I guess it was a tree, not a stone, but whatever.

Jack: Because he had a stone. I don't know. It's so. Because you were always. We're also literally talking about the moment before what we considered the universe existed. So, like. Like we're not gonna find the answer to that one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's like not even a written story. How there wasn't anywhere that existed to write it.

Cristina: Yeah. His son could have written it.

Jack: Weird. I mean, I guess after he came over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair. Fair. How do we know about it? It is at least what we know is written somewhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, like, what we know was written.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody f****** mentioned him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Fair and fair enough. If we talked about it, it was written. There's no exception. We can go and find out more.

Cristina: Or even if there's not more. We just need to relook at what we've seen and see. Like, did we see something and didn't know what it was? And now.

Jack: Yes, that's actually. And there's probably a lot of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot that we got to reevaluate because we figured it out more. I don't know.

Jack: We get more information and then it's easier to understand other random crap. That's really the infinite cycle. You got to keep revisiting. The same expertise is about coming to something with the eyes that you learned. It's sort of being a writer. Right. Any writers or any painters or any. Any. Anything listening creators, they know the following process, which goes as follows. You begin creating whatever you're creating. And you don't know what you're creating, but you thought you did, so you start making it. And by the end, if you're writing, we'll call it a draft. So you finished. And if you're painting by the end of the session, but by the end of the draft, I guess it's easier to explain what writing. You get to the end of the draft, and in writing it, you learned kind of a little more what you were trying to write, what it was about. It was not what you thought initially. It never is. But also your skill level came up enough that you can go back and you're a little better to work on some things. So you start the editing process because the skeletons are right. And in the editing process. You see all the problems and you fix them. Or so you thought. You saw the problems as you go through it. You start writing down the ones you didn't have solutions for that you start going through. And then you make it to the end and you realize, holy f***, that was a lot. But the ones I stumbled at the beginning, I figured out by the time I made it to the end I can go fix those. And so you start going through it and you develop the skill necessary to catch up to the ones you're going to come through as you work through it. But you spot more. Because you have the skill to spot more. Do you see the problem? It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could do this forever. A writer has to do what? Choose when it's done.

Cristina: Okay. But this isn't done.

Jack: Exactly. We have to choose when it's done.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because all we can do is become more expert of this. And also we have no idea what the f*** the goal was. I don't know if we can find out. But that's a great direction.

Cristina: Hermes wants us to continue.

Jack: Hermes is pretty in there. He would know.

Cristina: He needs us to continue.

Jack: And he knows what the goal is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I don't know that he has to. Right?

Cristina: He has to.

Jack: If anyone.

Cristina: And Jesus does.

Jack: And Jesus does. We. Do.

Cristina: We.

Jack: Okay. So let's. Let's think about this. We believe Jesus knows. We believe Hermes knows. We think the Elysians know. We believe all the research groups. Yeah, all of them. They know. They're working towards it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who else knows?

Cristina: Probably all the necromancers. Whether they're part of it or not.

Jack: Fair. Just because. Information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they need a lot of it. Which means they've probably stumbled upon or do it between or around just to.

Cristina: Get to where they're at. They had to know.

Jack: A bunch of shadow individuals know. But some of most of them are.

Cristina: Also part of the group. Yeah. They're in part of the group. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: I don't know. There are the. I like one thing I do like about this. It feels way more believable because we also come across random f****** stories that have nothing to do with anything. Like the judge was just some s***. Just some. Just a story about a guy whose sister was connected to a main character. That's it? Yeah, that's it. Unimportant.

Cristina: Turned her into a main character. Like if he didn't stumble upon this.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Really. It's the story of her. But his story is cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's the only reason she has a story, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: And her story is way more important. She's literally in like shaded places with the. The girl that then became an important girl over here. Yeah.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: It is weird, man. It's so strange. There's so much weird crap going on. Anyways, so that's what we got. We. I guess we're gonna. I guess the goal is to look for individuals, man. Hermes is right somehow. And it's weird. And like, the more I think about.

Cristina: It, giving us the answer, we just have to.

Jack: We're done.

Cristina: Think about it.

Jack: Yeah. That's all it is. According to his own word.

Cristina: He's got it.

Jack: It's there, it's there, it's there. If we. If we don't. We don't have to go. We don't have to look at anything. According to his teaching, a hundred percent of it is there. It requires no other information. We're just stupid. That's it. And if you think about it harder, it just makes more sense. The fact that I could think of a possibility of what a barrier option is, that I could just think away and put that into words. I just. Alan Watts for a moment. That's how I feel about that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, was Alan Watts a f****** necromancer?

Cristina: We should look into Alan Watts, I think, because, like, I think you should take a note on that. Like, I really think he might be. The things he says, he says too.

Jack: Effortless, it seems too understood, too, like.

Cristina: Yeah, like, he might not be the strongest necromancer, but he knows he gets it.

Jack: He at least knows surface level s*** student.

Cristina: Like, he never became an official.

Jack: Yeah, like, I'm sure Alexander the Great. Yeah, he didn't become a necromancer. But man, was the op enough to be impressive.

Cristina: Like, yeah, like they might have been students, but never like passed the test.

Jack: Like, yeah, exactly. Like, he seems op by our standards, but not op enough to pass that test, homie. Yeah, but still by human standards. Most impressive s*** we've seen.

Cristina: Yeah. So we might be able to find stories about student necromancers. There might be a lot more stories of student necromancers than Kangaskhan was in there somewhere.

Jack: We're talking this guy f****** terrorized and manipulated and controlled things larger than most earth sized countries. That's crazy.

Cristina: If not, maybe he had someone or something with him. Whether it was an ecromaster or a. What are those guys called?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. That's what I was thinking. Maybe we should look at him too, because, like, That's a little. I don't know. That's a lot.

Jack: So, yeah, it's a lot going on there. He did a lot to just be a dude.

Cristina: So we got people to look at. We got people to look at, ideas to think about.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: So we got something.

Jack: Well, I guess, yeah. So we have at least a place to start looking for if you guys have any information, anything you guys want us to look for specifically. Maybe you guys have a direction we can go in, a focal point, something you've seen that you've been screaming at, your f****** thing at.

Cristina: You think that's connected somehow that we haven't talked about or you're so close to talking about or you mentioned but never got into.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like, what if? What have you spotted that we're brushing past? And yes, you're like, say it. And we're like, we don't even realize we're not, you know, tell us, send us messages, do that on our socials. Usconvopada, TikTok, Instagram X& Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people about the show. Word of mouth matters. And they can come and check out. The fact that we're slowly unraveling and apparently still, even when we think about it, still making moves forward.

Cristina: That's awful. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Good morning.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

April 20, 2024

Rambling 271: The Hermetic Works

April 20, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

How’d Hermes Acquire his Philosopher’s Stone? Was he alone? And what is this strange tablet? The duo continue to deep dive into Hermes Trismegistus’ works and history in an everlasting quest to understand the purpose of ancient advanced civilizations.

+Episode Details

The Original Hermetic Philosopher’s Stone
Angelic Gift
Collaboration
Discovery
The Emerald Tablet
The Guide to Necromancy
Six Major Works
Apollonius

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I'm still baffling, baffled about the same. Baffling ideas relative. Infinitely digging into a hole that I don't know at this point if it's more about Hermes or more about Jesus or what the h***. There's some. Something else we should be pointing no, there's something we should be pointing at that we don't know what it is that they're kind of all dancing around and getting us closer to. That's ultimately what's happening here. We're getting closer to something like the.

Cristina: First necromancer or something. Something else.

Jack: I don't know if knowing who the first necromancer is matters necessarily. Or maybe it does. You don't know what information matters because we don't know what we're looking for.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, are we looking for something in the past? Are we looking for something in the present? And we're looking for a plan, a purpose, a goal, a person?

Cristina: There's nothing to find in the present. Or is there? I don't think there's any. There doesn't seem to be anything.

Jack: Antonio Draco was quite recent. That was just the 1700s. That ain't that crazy.

Cristina: That's kind of old. 1700. That's the most recent.

Jack: The battle that took place directly over the. Where the palace of Alcaraz was in the Persian Gulf oasis. That was in the 80s.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: The tanker war.

Cristina: Okay, that's not that far.

Jack: It's not that far.

Cristina: What does it mean?

Jack: What does it mean? Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And whatever's happening with Israel and Palestine, I think that's related, man. I think that's related because you got to think about it. I was giving this real thought. Maybe we talked about this on the show, but before, I don't even know. My thought about this was we think just look at the order of events, right? Israel just attacking and wrecking these people in here. Totally genocide level. Israel's a bad guy for sure, but maybe not. Let's think about this, right? Israel's just, quote, murdering these people or whatever is happening there. We don't have eyes on it. We don't know what's happening, okay? The other countries know about it and do nothing and they tell us, oh, yo, yeah, your opinions are valid. And blah, blah, blah. And then they do nothing. It's because either what they're. What's actually happening, they're not telling us. And these, our leaders know too, what's really going on. What's really going on. And they're like, no, believe what you got to believe. I don't. Maybe. Maybe it's not even a bad thing that they're doing. Maybe there's. Because this is my other thought. We're looking at Israel, which most likely is somehow connected to the Elysians. If we're talking about this right. And we're looking at the Egyptians, which are the other side. The Egyptians are the other wall. They're the only other exit point for not doing anything. And they're literal. Thing is you guys aren't doing anything wrong. But why now? Borders is what they said. These people can get away through water if they f****** want. Whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, who knows if they make it. I don't even know. Or if the Wabotters are patrolled, whatever the case might be. But think about the logic here. Maybe they're holding something in there.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's.

Cristina: What.

Jack: Maybe it's a prison cell to hold something in there. Maybe there's. That's the actual focal point to something.

Cristina: To something. To something trying to keep in there.

Jack: To something that they're trying to keep in there.

Cristina: That's disturbing. I guess. I don't know.

Jack: The other thing is that I was thinking about. This is before we get just random thoughts I've had. But this next one isn't random thought I've had as much as a. Interesting note I read unrelated to anything we're talking about, but it was in a text, an Islamic text mentioning the Mecca and how it was built to. This is. Now, this isn't in the Quran. This is part of like kind of lost Islamic folklore.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Specifically.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That references it as though it was built to trap an evil spirit. The thing that the Islamics.

Cristina: You think they're fighting an evil spirit?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Wait, they're worshiping the evil spirit that they're fighting.

Jack: They. I don't think people know if. If this was the actual purpose for. And it worked. And there's an evil spirit in and me. I don't even know what the Mecca really is. I'm sure people are allowed in there to confirm there's not a prison cell with an evil spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I don't. I don't actually have any idea, to be honest. But this is just a random thought I was having. That I read that line and look into it or anything. It just essentially made it sound like it was made to trap an evil spirit. Okay, this is it pulled up right here. This does not look like a prison cell to me. There are three pillars that hold it it up.

Cristina: But can people go in there?

Jack: I guess so. Yeah. Even if they can't, like, it's not a.

Cristina: Is that a what?

Jack: It's not a prison. Oh, I know what the Mecca is now that I think about it. Is this where Muhammad took into the.

Cristina: Sky what I think it is?

Jack: This is where Muhammad went into the sky.

Cristina: Through that?

Jack: No, on this spot or when he went to heaven? Or was it the floating rock? One or the other one.

Cristina: I think you need to do some more research on this. Yeah, whatever.

Jack: Yeah. It has nothing to with anything. Anyways. None of this is the point. None of this matters.

Cristina: It could be in the future. Who knows?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I have no clue. But anyways, today's episode has nothing to do with that. That was just an interesting fact of life. I. I suppose. But today's episode is more of an extension of trying to dive deeper into Hermes now that we've established one guy factually, one guy throughout a bunch of time, which means immortality, as well as him knowing or at least living an absurd amount of time while being human and him knowing Yahweh, which is the first mention of anybody we have crossing with Yahweh. So now we know to, you know, eventually look into that time based connection. But I found some other things that I think we should discuss instead. Relative to this individual who seems to be the one human we know who can stretch a crap ton of time other than Jesus Christ though he knows.

Cristina: A lot about science.

Jack: And I guess also on St Nicholas and St Patrick all both lived in absorbently long amount of time. And Merlin was only murdered because it's a fairy's weapon.

Cristina: Did it as far. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: If he's dead.

Cristina: He said if he's dead because that's the last we heard of him.

Jack: Yeah. So okay. That summarizes kind of relative points, I suppose. And so I had a question coming in here and I'm like, so how did he come up with the stone? Or where do you get it? You know what? Like where did this originate from and how do we get there?

Cristina: Okay. Huh?

Jack: How would we go about doing that?

Cristina: How would you do that? Yeah. You found the way.

Jack: How it's complicated, right? Because we have to think about like what steps would a normal person approach how do we. What question would I ask to find the normal step a person would approach? Like, what the h***? Right?

Cristina: Like how. Yeah, because, like, do you know about the first stones, I guess to make. Are the four stones Adam and Eve, or the ones that was before them, that came from the dead fairies? Those are the. I think.

Jack: I think that one stone is the first one that at least narratively speaking, what we know, what we've uncovered. A fairy stone is the first one. I guess the shadow stone is what we call it. The shadow stone is the first one. Then the stone of Adam, the stone of Eve. I suspected another stone to make Jesus, but we don't actually know that to be a fact. That's a theoretical stone. So outside of those three stones, we also have Merlin's stone, Patrick's stone, and Nicholas's stone. But those three stones seem to either be unpure or weaker versions as compared to these other way, more OP stones we're talking about.

Cristina: Yes, but we're going back in time. Like, how did they come up with.

Jack: Adam and Eve and.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Because that's Eloi. Who came up with that. That's not even connected. That's another problem. Right. That creates a huge hole. You're totally right. How did they come up with making these stones? Because essentially they're following. This is another reason. This is where this rabbit hole just kind of spirals in the million places. Right. Eloi. My theory is Eloi used Yaldabaoth's method to create the atom stone and the Eve stone, both being better than the last through the kind of rinse and repeat process that takes a long time to make a thing reproduce and then kill it. He was working with szn.

Cristina: This is a new incision.

Jack: Is the son of Yaldabel.

Cristina: Oh, that. But like, how much does he really know?

Jack: I mean, I guess, but this is my theory. And follow me on this. I don't think it worked. I think even us, we are the imperfect still in progress. Jesus was still the working towards something. He was closer than we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we're not descendants of Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah. And we don't know if there's anything after.

Jack: Exactly. And whatever Jesus is by comparison to us is op. And Jesus was born. It seems with everything a necromancer is.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I think that's the goal. A born necromancer. Interesting.

Cristina: Did he make more of himself, though?

Jack: Jesus?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No.

Cristina: If he had children, what would his children be? Says like the stones made us. We reproduce. And make more us? Wouldn't there be Jesus like creatures out there too?

Jack: If Jesus reproduced, If he did, and anyone he reproduces with would reduce what he is. There could only be one.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: He would need another him, another perfect version. So they could never recreate. It would only be Jesus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You could only have the one. Interesting. I didn't think about that. Even genetically. There could only be the one.

Cristina: I guess maybe that's why they only made one. Because why would you just make one? That's kind of weird. But we were a test and they didn't just make one. There's billions of us.

Jack: I'm sure we weren't necessarily the finished product either.

Cristina: No. I mean, no.

Jack: Maybe the goal was Jesus.

Cristina: Us to make him.

Jack: Yeah, the goal was to make Jesus. Which then brings up the next thing. If the entire process required mass death, then question one, is there something akin to a mass extinction event taking place around the time that Jesus was born? And two, is the, I guess the use of the possession of the stone. The use of the stone is, are they? I don't even know what my question is because, oh man, it's so complicated. I don't understand the ultimate point. But anyways, anyways, who cares about any of this? Chasing this point, okay? I need to track where this man began. The path of finding out where the stone came from. Like, how do you do it? Where'd it come from? So start looking through text. Any mention, make a note of any possible. And I come across a couple of interesting mentions. And so it goes as follows. Christianity would have the most information because they're the people trying to correct everything. That's the first place. It's like a Wikipedia of sorts. You begin there, but you can assume it's wrong in a lot of places. So you begin and you're like, what do you gotta say about this?

Cristina: Christianity, Christianity. Okay.

Jack: Through biblical texts, we landed at Enoch and we proved Enoch is Hermes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Great. It took us that far outside of the Bible itself, but through other Christianity and Catholicism adjacent texts, we get an interesting line which does in fact discuss the philosopher's stone.

Cristina: Okay, what's that?

Jack: Their take on the events.

Cristina: Is it again, Christianity. Christianity, but outside the Bible?

Jack: Outside the Bible, yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Enoch was given the stone by angels. If we translate these words, fairies. Fairies, gave.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. What does that mean? You know, you don't think it's shadow realm people. Maybe by they mean shadow people. That's more believable that shadow people. If the none of anything. We haven't. Like, we haven't understood anything.

Jack: Well, no, the other thing is that I think two or three episodes ago, we stumbled upon the possibility that the fairy realm is also just another layer and not base reality.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. I don't know what's happening.

Jack: I don't know what's happening either. But it's. It would be the logical conclusion that if it's possible to make a perfect simulation, we ourselves are within one, because it's the most likely. There's only one base reality.

Cristina: So they're also just testing on us.

Jack: Yeah, every. It's a loop. An infinite loop. It looks like.

Cristina: Yes, as above.

Jack: So below what? Which is a line. We're gonna say again later.

Cristina: Hermes. Own line.

Jack: Okay, now, at least it was a good starting point, but I don't trust the Christians because this came straight through edits from Catholicism, which tells me this only exists because you're trying to lie about something.

Jack: This only exists because you're trying to lie about something. That's just where I begin with Christianity right now. You only exist to cover up lies. So let's find out if you mentioned it. Yeah, it was a lie to cover something up. Simple.

Cristina: So you gotta find the original story.

Jack: Because he mentioned it. He mentioned it.

Cristina: That's good enough.

Jack: Christianity mentioned it. So you're trying to hide something. Yes, or you wouldn't have said s*** because it wouldn't have concerned you at the end. So let's find out the same take. I look a little harder going through Christianity, but kind of reaching outside of the Scriptures, outside of the Bible, outside of any relative. But other people who claim to have been around and seen a lot of the same things who aren't necessarily identifying as a version of Christianity, but rather a different Abrahamic religion. Celtics right up there with our friend Mananan. And these individuals, right? They actually happen to also have an interesting mention about a man named Enoch. Interesting, interesting. And what do they say? Because this definitely sheds a little more light.

Cristina: What do they say?

Jack: They believe that Enoch was given the instructions by angels on how to develop the stone. Or it's unclear that he developed the stone along side of them, I guess. Interesting.

Cristina: Either way.

Jack: Now we get somewhere where it's more of. They're messing with a program and they're trying to do something in the program, and they're getting the AI in the program to help them.

Cristina: Interesting, Interesting.

Jack: That looks more like today reality. A little closer, a little closer.

Cristina: These are just people outside the program that are just essentially right yeah.

Jack: Or in theory.

Cristina: Yes. It makes sense. It's weird. Yes. Because why would every fairy be under. Or listening to. What's her name?

Jack: To Mab.

Cristina: Yes, Mab.

Jack: Yeah. It might just be the Internet. We might. It might just be the Internet. There's a bunch of parts.

Cristina: She's just a late scientist and she has people working for her. But not everyone in that world is a scientist working for her. She could be the sea people of that place or whatever.

Jack: Not even. She could just be a developer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This could be Facebook and there's other websites, and she's just one of many working on. On the Facebook known as reality.

Cristina: Yes. And people go in and they do their own thing. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Makes perfect sense. Right. A little better framed. And that made a lot of sense. But I started following that to try to confirm if I could. If, you know, if that's corroborated by other sources.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And instead what I get is an older take on this same thing. This sounded right enough that you wouldn't question it. But if you find out that. Let's think about the line I'm about to draw you. The Christians who come essentially from the Israeli kind of region, moving towards Italy, that's Christianity. If you draw a line from Israel towards Italy, that's Christianity happening right there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Celtic is. If you were to draw a line from Italy to Ireland. Right.

Cristina: Okay. Sort of picturing it.

Jack: Okay. Islam would be you dragging that line then back into the Middle east again from where it came out to Iran and Afghanistan and Arabia and that kind of Middle Eastern.

Cristina: Very Middle Eastern.

Jack: Yeah. So it's a triangle, by the way. A weird, lopsided triangle of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah, but of religions.

Jack: Yeah. We go back kind of to where we began. The further back we go, we left and came back going backwards through time, and we land at Islam. But then I follow Islam and it devolves back into Zoroastrianism.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Right. Okay. So I'm on the right track. Right. Just following the same sentences and same kind of ideas, devolving, changing little by little. But if you know what you're looking for, you can compare them. Even if the first and the last are nothing alike, the road is just a bunch of similar kind of more or less. So you make it all the way into Zoroastrianism, and then you hit the wall. But it's interesting enough where the wall ended, because I would argue that then this answers more clearly, because Zoroastrians believe that Enoch, specifically angels, came down to learn how Enoch created something like The Philosopher's Stone.

Cristina: What? How? And how. But how. But how did he do it?

Jack: But how did he do it?

Cristina: How does he. Then it feels like he has to relate to the other guy who made the first one in the Shadow Realm, because how could he have done it without him? How could he have just done it separately? Is it possible? Is it possible? Could that happen? I don't know. I mean, maybe.

Jack: Well, no. We can draw a line that makes sense because we know there's enough degrees.

Cristina: There's.

Jack: There's. They're close enough that there's like four degrees of separation before we get to like the source, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If we started Hermes, who we know connected with both Jehovah and Yahweh. Yahweh, the son of Eloi, who we know factually made the thing and hung out with the son of Yaldabaoth who made the first one. It's like the information is there. It made it down the pipeline.

Cristina: It's not that crazy, but through time. It's kind of crazy, but like.

Jack: Yeah, but we still have pipe systems made by these people and we're pretending they don't exist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, is that still through time?

Cristina: He did it. He did it. Okay.

Jack: I'm not sure if he did it, but that's the argument that happens the.

Cristina: Farthest back is that he made it. They were interested in that to the.

Jack: Point that that means he discovered how to traverse the Shadow Realm and Elfame and make a stone that bends all of them through one another easily and effortlessly.

Cristina: It makes sense because he's a necromancer. And if you know what a necromancer like, it's just what a necromancer is meant to do in the end of the day.

Jack: In modern day, we consider necromancers to be so associated with death almost specifically. And so little of these other things they're also identify with like just being able to like, we're so, so evil and this and that. Every description I've seen of a necromancer allows them to just enter heaven. What the f*** is that?

Cristina: Enter any realm pretty much.

Jack: They can just phase out. That's fire, dude.

Cristina: Just obsessed with the death part.

Jack: But like, yeah, we're weirdly fascinated by that realm.

Cristina: Way more realms that they can communicate with.

Jack: All of them. All of the above.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is basically. They have no restriction. They're human gods.

Cristina: Mm. That's what they are. Oh my gosh.

Jack: Human gods. I guess the human gods. Except they're not a research team. It's not like.

Cristina: Yeah, it's not like the other Sun.

Jack: God's research team or whatever, you know. But it is interesting.

Cristina: Yes. And they're just people. Or they were people. They were once people.

Jack: They were once people that through knowledge alone stopped being people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: D***, bro. Crazy hardcore.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The obsession you must have with knowledge. And the other problem is that they are depicted as very dark because there is. They. Aesthetically, we're trying to cover themselves. And a lot of the things they used, well, they used anything and everything, which means they were often seen with normal things which you wouldn't acknowledge and ab. Normal things which you would. Like skulls and s***.

Cristina: Well, I don't know if I'm getting the thinking of this right, but weren't they in blue, though? Not black blue for some reason, Like Santa and Patrick were in blue and then like through the story changed to red and green. But I feel like, yeah, they were.

Jack: In neutral, darker colors.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: They were always in neutral, darker colors. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. It wasn't straight up black, though, but.

Jack: It was always robes. It was always drapey robes and. But I think the only one who was masking and hiding in this way was Hermes in particular. He's the master necromancer, the teacher of necromancy.

Cristina: He has to be, though. He had.

Jack: Yeah. So he's hiding who he is. Dimensions of him are so scarce, the outside of a few pockets. People are even unclear as to whether he was real. There's a bunch of people who, like, it's. He's believed to have been a real person, but there's also like a bunch of groups of people, scholars and like, d***, man, this doesn't check out. It's like that level of unclear. He made sure of that. Okay, yeah, the level of unclear. He made sure he wasn't seen. So we don't know what he necessarily looked like because his face was always covered, dark colors, maybe even makeup on all the time, so that there was no distinctive realistic features. So that if he just wanted to be a person, he goes. Nobody sees him take it off. And you just don't know who the f*** this guy is. Because as Hermes, he had to be this thing so that he could detach himself. Because think about how legendary the thing is that everybody everywhere has known and heard and talked about him. Created masterpiece philosophic works, magic, alchemy, philosophy. And the philosophy just doesn't miss either. Like solid universal philosophy. Get the f*** out of here.

Cristina: Talking about reality like it makes sense. It makes sense. Sense from what he wrote, his laws Just. I don't. I don't get it. It's crazy. I believe it, though.

Jack: It falls in line with what he's being accredited with. Yeah. Like he truly. He's trying to tell you. No, it's easy to just bend it all.

Cristina: Like, he truly got it. He wasn't just.

Jack: He wasn't preaching it and not practicing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was genuinely like, no, you could just bend reality with your mind. You're like, I know, but it's like meditation. Woo. Woo. And then he waves.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly. And he's saying it like it is. Or we're taking it like it is.

Jack: We're taking it. But it's like we. He says that and we take it like he is. And then he waves his hand and then everything doctor Strange is around us and it's like, oh, s***. No, he's the real deal.

Cristina: He is. Whoa.

Jack: But then what's interesting is that means that the possibility that this is real is here, but that it is so absurdly rare. Like truly, astoundingly like everything else seems like technology. This guy seems like he's reached beyond that even to the people who are claiming it's all technology. You're like, but that. That guy.

Cristina: But that guy.

Jack: But that guy. And it's like, d***, bro. But also, that's just super crazy. Over the top op, because at that level, it is kind of like the fairies, right? It's just exaggerated technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That looks like magic from how advanced it is. And even to us, we've become familiar with so much elation technology and so many things from the Egyptians and the Mayans and the these and the that and experiments they've run, that little by little it looks less like magic to us as we become more clear with the possibilities. And still a necromancer looks like magic. D***. D***.

Cristina: They're coders. They're coders. They're more than just a beyond.

Jack: They're out there. It's something that we do not comprehend just yet. But the fact that digging keeps taking us farther means I am confident there's a way to at least comprehend something.

Jack: One of them came back and said something. And somebody wrote it down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Simple. That's what we do.

Cristina: That's how we found that first part of his thing. And before we found out, he did the seal.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Some, like Aristotle just wrote some crap. Yeah, that's it. He just wrote about the guy by chance. Just public records we ignore every day.

Cristina: Yeah, but it was there.

Jack: And that. Exactly. There must be a way. There's Always a way. Now, looking at other things, in the Book of Enoch, it says Enoch might be the first to have the capability to create or understand something as profound as the philosopher's son. Just confirming says it.

Cristina: Okay. It just talks about the philosopher's stone. Does it say what it thinks it's the. What the philosopher soul is like. Does it match up to what we think?

Jack: None of that matters.

Cristina: None of that matters?

Jack: No. Because I just scrolled to the juicy part.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'll have to show you an image.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I need you to just look at that image.

Cristina: None of that matters, though.

Jack: None of that matters. This is what matters. What are you looking at?

Cristina: Words and a mountain, I think, or some type of rock. Is it an image of a rock?

Jack: Right. It's an image of a rock in the woods.

Cristina: I don't know the words. Am I supposed to know what it is?

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I'm just having you describe what you're looking at.

Cristina: Okay. Is something happening to rock? Is it on fire? There's something shooting out of it on the top or something.

Jack: Interesting little detail right there, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Is that important?

Jack: Maybe. Who knows?

Cristina: Is there anything else happening in the image that I'm not noticing?

Jack: This is a drawing and this is a very old drawing. It was done in the 1800s. Not the 1800s. This was done in the 800s. My bad. Reiteratively copied over and over to have a fresher version of it. But this is the image. The image you're looking at is called the Emerald Tablet. A man saw it. He then copied everything he saw. He drew what it looks like. This is essentially the he. So how do I put it? Yeah. So this man is unnamed, has a. Sees rock, comes in contact with the rock, studies it, then he goes and gets an artist, comes back, the artist copies the rock. This is the rock's shape. This is the. From his point of view. He chose this angle on the rock because of the text on it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Is called the Emerald Tablet. The Emerald Tablet has an interesting feature to it. It's gold looking, except where light touches it directly. So anytime you see a glare of light and anywhere you look at shade. So the crevices, the crevices of the stone and the glares of the stone are green like the.

Cristina: Like emerald, like an emerald. Okay.

Jack: But the stone itself is gold.

Cristina: That's strange.

Jack: Very strange. Allow me to tell you about the Emeril Tablet. A very important piece of information. First, let me tell you what's on the Emerald Tablet. Would you like to know what it says?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. There are 15 points on the emerald tablet. I'll number it and then tell you what it says.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Number one. True without falsehood, certain most certain. True without falsehood, certain most certain.

Cristina: That sounds like gibberish.

Jack: Totally sounds like gibberish. Point 2. What is above like what is below. And what is below is like what is above to accomplish the miracle of one thing.

Cristina: Wait, is this related to Hermes? Did he write this about what's. Okay, continue before I continue.

Jack: Okay, let me go ahead and answer your question. It is believed that this stone was made of an impossible fusion of rock. A golden rock, gold.

Cristina: Gold.

Jack: An emerald and emerald. The gem creating a semi gold, semi emerald hybrid stone, which was then etched with a message that seemed to be perfectly cut, not like it was hit with a chisel.

Cristina: So then how could he have written on it?

Jack: How did you make such an impossibly hard piece of metal, made of literal gems and steels of sorts, or not seals, but metals, and then so cleanly, without any bumps or bruises or anything uneven, etched a message onto it?

Cristina: It's alchemy related.

Jack: It's alchemy. Had to be alchemy. Hermes is attributed with having made this rock. Okay, he's attributed with having made the rock, and he's attributed with having written the things on the rock along with having created the hermetica.

Cristina: So what else is on this rock?

Jack: Let us continue. And as all this is number three, and as all things were by contemplation of one, so all things arose from this one thing by a single act of adaptation. 4. The Father thereof is the son, the mother, the moon.

Cristina: I don't know what he's trying to say, but okay.

Jack: Number five. The wind carried it in its belly, the earth in its nurse. 6. The father of all, the perfection of the whole world is here.

Cristina: Is it him? Is he him?

Jack: Number seven. It's powerful. Its power is integrating. Its power is integrating if it be turned into earth. Its power is integrating if it be turned into earth. Number eight. Thou shalt separate the earth from the fire, the subtle from the gross, gently and with ingenuity. 9. It ascends from the earth to the heaven, and again it ascends to the earth. It descends to the earth, and again it descends to the earth. So it ascends to the heavens and descends to earth, and receives the force of things superior and inferior.

Cristina: Is he talking about himself?

Jack: Number 10, by this means you shall have the glory of the whole world, and thereby all obscurity shall fly from you. 11. Its force is above all force, for it vanquishes every subtle thing and penetrates every solid thing. 12. So was the world created. 13. From this are and do come admirable adaptations whereof the process is here in this. Hence I am called Hermes Trismegistus, having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world. 15 that which I have said of the operation of the sun is accomplished and ended. That is all the points.

Cristina: So there's three parts, though. There's three parts. Is this one of the parts or is there a third part that we just never haven't figured out about to make a philosopher's stone? Because he just admitted that there's three parts.

Jack: He also required people to know three parts in order to talk to him which are the three different technologies and philosophies.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Which he just referenced the philosophy.

Cristina: So yes. Also he sounds like he's talking about the Matrix. And like once you figure out you realize you're living in the Matrix, everything's.

Jack: Which falls in line with the seven hermetic principles.

Cristina: Yes, pretty much. That is the rules to the Matrix. Once you get this, you got it.

Jack: Yeah. Like once. Once you know, you know, once you.

Cristina: Know, you know, just try to know you're in it. That's. That's all you need.

Jack: It sounds like that's what he's saying, right? That really is what he was preaching. Neo back then. He's like, it's all an illus.

Cristina: Yeah. Like he's not even saying escape it. Because he's saying, if you. Even if you leave it, you come back. You're better just by being here.

Jack: Which. Interesting point in isolation to make. I also took a lot of note of that very important point because this feels very reminiscent of what we were talking about. Yaldabaoth leaves.

Cristina: But what does that mean, Jesus mean more?

Jack: What does that mean? I think that's the becoming a God part. I think it's. No. Now I can interact with the whole program in one shot. You came back better. Now you're God.

Cristina: Yeah. Because if you just leave, that's. That's it. Because you're just whatever in that other new place.

Jack: Yeah. You're just a individual. Which is fine. So are they.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But over here, you're crazy. Something else.

Cristina: Yeah. Truly a God. Like even more so than before. Like he just.

Jack: But then my question would be, would you rather be a God in a fictional reality or an individual within reality? Ooh. That would be the argument. Right. So if you escape a simulation. Jesus. Right? He's not even real. He's just a simulation. But he can escape into an exoskeleton and live amongst the humans in an Android sort of body for. Until he can't anymore.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He would be an individual, but he would be in reality.

Cristina: Yeah, but Hermes is saying you should come back anyway, because doesn't matter.

Jack: He's saying it does not. Nothing matters.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: His point of view is, well, if you're from over there, it matters, but we're from over here. Nothing could happen. Everything is our plaything. Yeah, well, then we gotta take a step back because we're like, oh, they're scared of Yellow Bell. And then we're like, oh, no, they're scared of the aliens. And we're like, oh, no, they're scared of Jesus. Is that who they're scared of?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Hermes.

Cristina: Scared of Hermes.

Jack: Whoever's scared of whoever. Because it's like, no, everything is my plaything.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: It's like the detachment from the message is. Comes with it, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the whole. Hey, guys, I can teach you how to just manipulate reality. But also, the message here is, nothing matters. You can just manipulate reality.

Cristina: I guess, but, like, that's how he taught. Like, he doesn't care.

Jack: And they weren't doing anything about it when he was just teaching at a school and they knew he was there.

Cristina: Yeah, like, he's really whatever about it, man.

Jack: It just looks like there's people who roughly don't like each other, but, like, that doesn't mean anything. It's more like, I don't like you, but, like, we'll still trade or whatever. The. Nobody's, like, beefing hard here.

Cristina: There's no evil villain.

Jack: There's no villain. But there seems to be a direction, if anything. I mean, everybody's pointing one way.

Cristina: Yeah, but towards what? I don't know.

Jack: That's the short part. Everybody's walking in the same direction, which means following anything takes us in the same direction. Following anything takes us in the same direction. That's one thing we've learned. Everything aims in the same direction. We don't know how far in the future that direction is.

Cristina: That direction. What is that direction?

Jack: We know they're all tangled up, all heading there together.

Cristina: We need to find how to join that line. I don't know.

Jack: But he does say leave and come back. He says every side is the same.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Over there and over here. Yes, it's all equal. We could do the same things everywhere. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: That falls in line, doesn't it?

Cristina: Huh? That's really complicated.

Jack: It's another layer, dude.

Cristina: Because like what?

Jack: That's another layer. It's another layer. He's not exiting into reality. He's just moving through another part of code again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It doesn't matter how.

Cristina: That's the only code too.

Jack: That's why it's all equal. It's the same.

Cristina: After he figured out he here, he can figure it out over there.

Jack: Exactly. If you can figure out how to move from here to Shadow without ever needing to break your code with adrenochrome.

Cristina: You can do it.

Jack: Then you could do it again anywhere and you'll never need adrenochrome. You could just keep doing it because it's the same logic, it's all the same s***. You could just manipulate the program we all exist inside of.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: D***, that's crazy.

Cristina: I don't know. It does feel like he wants to share it for sure. But it seems like the shot the known, not the shadow people. I don't know what the shadow people think. The sea people seem like they just want to keep it to themselves. Every time they try to share it, it goes bad.

Jack: It goes bad. It doesn't seem like they're greedy off malice. It seems like they are overprotective. The end.

Cristina: Yes. And then Jesus seems like he doesn't want anyone to find out because that's why he keeps giving people adrenochrome. Because there are things, not just Jesus, but other beings, other godlike beings that we call gods that are sharing. They want people to have blood, drink blood, sacrifice blood, whatever. Those are people that don't want us to get there. There are some villains.

Jack: We're not trying to stop us from getting anywhere. I think these people are just trying to get there themselves.

Cristina: Well, why are they using us?

Jack: Because it's easier than figuring out how the to become a necromancer or build a Shinto gate, which is essentially necromancy at this point, I'm assuming.

Cristina: But if you share the blood or whatever, you can't. You can never escape you, but you.

Jack: Can go to the Shadow Realm, which is still more than this, I guess. You can never die. And that's better.

Cristina: That's better.

Jack: At least to them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're okay with losing their minds as long as they live. That's people who rather have the immortality part than the. They're always gonna die. If infinity. You're gonna run out of blood at some point, no matter what. That road goes one way. Yes, it Goes one way. There's nothing else that could happen. It will default to you. Not getting it. Going feral. Losing your f****** mind. And now you're the other thing. The end.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Not dying, but I guess. Yes. The old you. The other you.

Jack: The infinitely dying version of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, okay, sure, you could just be.

Jack: A wendingo, but that's not reality. You're gonna be a wendingo for a bit, and then that's gonna go to s***. And you're gonna become a wetchudge and be some crazy rabid f****** thing forever. You're gonna stop thinking.

Cristina: You're just gonna be the one that's probably gonna murder you because of all the murder that you're doing.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna be murdering a bunch of s*** and somebody who understands how to kill s*** like you. Boom. Now you don't exist. So you still got to the same f****** place. There's no. Wow. I didn't think about that. There's no winning. It's just extending it. But you're f***** either way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's either a nightmare. I see. I get why it's described as h***. I get it. You have to do f***** up s*** to get it. You have to be a monster.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And, well, not to get it. You could get it by accident. Oh. But in order to sustain yourself now you got to be f***** up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you got to be f***** up to sustain using it. Then when you go there, you have to be more f***** up to not. Because this is infinity, now you're there forever. So you died over here. Now you're there for f****** ever. Okay. The clock's ticking. You have an infinite, infinite timer that you got to keep resetting by getting more. Either generate fear or go f****** find blood. But the only way to get the blood is to generate the fear in the first place. And that's just random chance about being in the right spot at the right time that maybe you can f****** slip through and then f****** use that to scare them more. Generate more than show up and get blood. The likelihood seems astounding.

Cristina: That really sucks.

Jack: Yeah, you're gonna. No matter what it looks like, 99% of these m************ end up being feral. Shadow creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no way. Like what the. And the ones that don't are one, exceptional or from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And two, those exceptional ones. I never thought about this before because I guess we didn't think about this before, but there has to be at least some.

Cristina: Somewhat.

Jack: Some things that actually did not turn Feral after going there and didn't have special other tricks like the necromancers, who presumably have to die also. That's another reason why we're obsessed with the death part of necromancy. It appears, although it's not explicitly said anywhere, that all of them seem to have died at the end of achieving knowledge and come back with the powers of that acquired knowledge.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So just random detail, I guess that also connects to death. The fact that they have to die. This version of the list was translated by Isaac Newton. Weird random detail.

Cristina: He's a necromancer.

Jack: Seems irrelevant until we consider the fact that we chased some other irrelevant dude called Aristotle to these guys.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like at this point, if your name is important somehow, there's something about you.

Cristina: He is a student. Is he a student? Do we know he's a student? Is he the secret nanocromancer we haven't found out that exists today? Not today. But you know. That's too random.

Jack: So what do we know for a fact about this stone? We know the color, the material. It has many accounts, by the way. There's.

Cristina: It's more than one reference to it.

Jack: Many references to it. It is the main body of work. Luckily he wasn't around. No.

Cristina: Oh, it's.

Jack: That's an interesting detail about that. That stone absolutely vanished in the 900. Just vanished. Just totally. No, no explanation. Just totally stopped being talked about. Now it seems to have to be a record of having successfully completed the philosopher's stone. I would argue that's accurate because it says the three parts and then it says the thing specifically the quotes are from this are and do cometh Admiral Adaptation therewith. The process is here in this. Hence I am called her Mistress Megistus. Having the three parts of the philosophy of the whole world, that which I have said of the operation of the sun is accomplished and ended.

Cristina: Like saying that is the third part.

Jack: I not is the third part. You're thinking about third parts? I'm thinking when he says third parts, he means Earth, Shadow and Elfame. The three studies. You should know before you even with him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's saying, I've perfected the three things. I think this is him declaring something along those lines. Alternatively jumping on the line you're trying to get to.

Cristina: Is there a third part to the stone thing?

Jack: Is it the magnum opus? The hermetic seal and the.

Cristina: I don't know what it's called. The emblem. Emerald.

Jack: No, no, no. What's on There isn't Instructions. I'm not saying the Emerald tablet.

Cristina: Oh, just the blank.

Jack: I'm saying there would just be a third thing because he still mentions three things. And this sounds like reference to the philosopher's stone, not reference to necromancy. And we know that the three things are in reference to necromancy. Learn the three philosophies and the three technologies. Yes, that's about necromancy. This is about the stone, which is weird because. Is he also talking about necromancy and the stone weird? It doesn't seem like it. That's what's happening here though. So then what are the three things? You need the three things for the stone too, or are you right? And there's another, like a third part. We thought there was one and then it turned out to be two to begin with.

Cristina: Maybe this will lead us there.

Jack: It also seems like a proclamation of copyrights to some degree. I am hermit's term against this. I figured it out. I'm telling you guys.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it does.

Jack: But there's no proof of figuring it out. And again, it's made of a gold emerald fusion that can't be explained.

Cristina: I believe he figured it out. I think that's enough to say he figured it out. What more does he need?

Jack: The copies of this, the. All the people who managed to copy all the things that were there managed to do so. And those lines like the tablet. How do I put it? Those lines that you see in the tablet are referenced and split among other parts of text that are associated with Hermes. So not that tablet per se, but that fills in parts of other works, which together then gives us six works.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: If you cross reference anything into everything Hermes related.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All the works attributed to him, all the philosophy is attributed to him. Materials like this stone that have additional texts, and you start compiling them into groups, you come up with six groups that scholars use to differentiate between the hermetic teachings. The first one is the writings of the material world.

Cristina: Okay, sounds simple enough.

Jack: Simple enough.

Cristina: It's gonna get weird though, very quickly. Okay.

Jack: The writings of the material world seems to be very focused on anatomy and earth science. Then we have the writings of the demonic world here. It immediately starts diving into alchemy, it starts diving into potions, it starts diving into mixtures. It's diving into adding things and fire and candle and this and that.

Cristina: Okay, he's a witch.

Jack: The writings of the celestial world here, it goes into enchantments, it goes into motions, it goes into ritualization, it goes into repetitive behaviors. The fourth is the magnum Opus.

Cristina: It's just in there. Okay.

Jack: The fifth is the hermetic seal. And the six only exists at the bottom of the drawing of that stone you saw, because the guy had no idea what it was. And Isaac Newton couldn't translate it either. It was too cryptic. Nobody knows what the f*** it said. And the only guy who even understood the movements enough to replicate them in his drawing is not clear if he got them accurate enough to decipher them because of how complex those the order of structure was for whatever was written there. It's not Latin. It's some.

Cristina: It's probably written in fairy.

Jack: Who the h*** knows? It looks like Latin letters, but it does not. Using a construct or Latin to what.

Cristina: The third part of this is because we have the three different.

Jack: The third collection of the not third, six collection of data. That piece, which is referenced with other work, is one of several different works associated with them. The others have no additional work to them. They just happen to be written in identically the same fashion. So because of this sixth cryptic writing, the other works that were also cryptic could be connected to it. And in analysis of. Oh yeah, this is the same handwriting. Then an entire sixth body of work that is not understood by any means.

Cristina: This is a secret six book.

Jack: It's a secret sixth book by Hermes Trismeguessis that has no explanation to what it says. And it's several pages of absolute gibberish.

Cristina: It's not gibberish. Oh, my gosh. It's the third part. It's the third part. You have to be a. You have to study the first three parts. The three parts are right there. Mark 1, 2, 3 of what you need to be a necromancer is 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 has to be the stone, how to make the stone. Yes, but you have to master 1, 2, 3 to understand number 6.

Jack: Yes, definitely. Something about 1 through 5 gives you the answer to 6.

Cristina: Something. Yeah, I think so. I think so. He did it. He did it in a way that anyone. Because he wanted to teach anyone anyway, anybody who should, not just anyone can. Like we could look at it and get nothing from it. So many people probably have looked at it and got nothing from it.

Jack: Millions of people probably throughout time.

Cristina: He found it really hard probably to teach people it, no matter how much he's tried. That's probably why he just wrote it in writing and hoped that one day someone would get it.

Jack: And anybody who casually does figure it out, the more you figure out, the more you probably come across messages within all of this. It says, don't tell anybody. And that's part of. Probably part of the initiation process. The further in you go, the more secretive about it you're gonna get, because it's telling you to until said event happens and you cross paths with this guy who's been around for thousands of years. But also, by the time that happens, you're so informed, you expected it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like, wow, this is really going to be the moment. Some ancient being is about to cross through that like. Like, doorway in the middle of whatever random place this series of everything took me to.

Cristina: Him meeting Santa Claus or whatever situation. Like.

Jack: But it would be Hermes, wouldn't it?

Cristina: Yeah, that's what it would be weird to imagine. Hermes meeting up with Santa Claus.

Jack: Oh, but it wasn't Santa at that point, Nick. It was just a guy.

Cristina: It's just a guy.

Jack: Just a dude who really went hard on figuring some out.

Cristina: People did figure it out. It's just a. It was very little.

Jack: It was random people, too, man.

Cristina: Yeah. How did they get their hands on it?

Jack: I'm not even sure. Merlin wasn't related to Christianity. That's just some other dude. Some dude who figured it out.

Cristina: Yeah, some guy.

Jack: Some guy.

Cristina: But that's how hard it is to figure out that it had to be random.

Jack: It's random. It has to be absolutely random. There can't be any pattern.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, dude.

Jack: St. Patrick, dude, he's a Celtic who got recruited by the Christians. They're like, d***, he figured it out. You come. Hey, man, you want to be a friend?

Cristina: Yeah, he's definitely a necromancer. He's a question about it. Yeah, for sure.

Jack: For sure. Dude, they turned to you to solve the problem. Get out of here.

Cristina: That's crazy. So there is a third part. There is six parts. It makes sense that there's six parts.

Jack: Yeah. Once it got put together like that, like, I didn't know that scholars had already divided it into groups.

Cristina: They did.

Jack: It might not mean anything to them.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But us and listeners of this show, after we've connected all these dots, we get looking at it together in the order that they themselves put it. It's like, come on, bro, you crazy. I know what we're looking at.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. We're looking at it. We're looking at all.

Jack: We're looking at how to become a necromancer and how to build the most overpowered thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: All the instructions in front of you.

Cristina: To get out of the simplified.

Jack: Yeah. To exit the matrix. Super simplified.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He made it six bullet points somehow.

Cristina: So that for sure relates to breaking the Matrix. It's.

Jack: I mean the point of a Philosopher's Stone is that it literally bends reality.

Cristina: Okay. Because just knowing all this and having necromancy power because there seems like. Unless the powers come from the stone itself.

Jack: Interesting. But it seems. It doesn't seem to be the case. It seems more to be the case that you need the stone. I don't even know what the h*** you need. So I guess it's the bend other s*** the same way.

Cristina: I guess. It's complicated. So complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's something are powerful without the stone, but you also need to make the stone. Like it's obviously part of it. Because I would.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe it's more like the stone. Although it will give you exactly the same powers. That's why people who have acquired the stone have still managed the abilities without having learned. It would be because the stone does have power. But the idea is maybe that's just a point of initiation. Like, well, you're gonna be equally strong to the stone as a necromancer. The stone doesn't matter to you. But making it proves you understand.

Cristina: Okay. It's a final test.

Jack: Yeah. Making it proves you get it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The test is whatever happens after the hermetic seal step, nothing else before that matters. That's the lessons. Or if six is also a lesson, then the seventh is the test, which is hand me the stone. Show me it's done, it worked.

Cristina: When you get it, I think the.

Jack: Stone is the test.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Maybe because if you're.

Jack: It doesn't seem like they need it. It seems like they bend reality with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's a casual piece of jewel, a plaque. It's your diploma. Diploma.

Cristina: That's the way to look at it. Yeah.

Jack: It's your diploma, your necromancy diploma.

Cristina: Wow. Like it. That makes sense.

Jack: And it allows. But it's also crazy because you could just bestow this power upon somebody, but also you could take it away effortlessly from them.

Cristina: The stone.

Jack: The stone. It allows you to give this to somebody knowing that they couldn't stop you from taking it back. That's interesting because once you can make the stone, the stone is the most irrelevant thing to you. The moment you can make it, that s*** is useless.

Cristina: How we're gonna guess that Adam and Eve are just stones? He made. He gave it to them. But like, they're not necromancers?

Jack: No, I don't. I disagree with that narrative entirely. I believe Adam and Eve were in fact Made by Yaldabaoth, Sizzan and Lilith.

Cristina: I do think they were without necromancers.

Jack: Without the use of necromancer. I believe they did not have the other parts. I think the magnum opus. Or not the magnum opus, because I suppose that's the earthrealm version. But I think they were trying to do it with different steps or something and that's why they weren't achieving what they needed to.

Cristina: So you're saying Adam and Eve are not perfect stones?

Jack: No, I know they're not. Because let's find the narrative real quick. Jehovah showed up on three separate occasions to collect the three different fruits so that he can in theory go make stone one and two. You needed the other fruit for what? Who did Jehovah turn out to be interacting with? Hermes. Hermes would know how to what? How to make the stone. So this guy went and got the two fruits plus the third fruit while hanging out with Hermes, the known necromancer.

Cristina: So he is involved.

Jack: Then Jesus Christ happens.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's why. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: They went to him for that.

Jack: All the steps of first Adam, then Eve, then blank equals Jesus.

Cristina: The blank is Hermes.

Jack: No, the blank is the other stone before Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, the Hermes stone, though we can.

Jack: Call it the Hermes stone for sure. But Hermes has a stone, presumably? I have no idea. He probably has many.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly.

Jack: But it's different kinds of stones. Now that we know they're different kinds of stones and they do kind of things differently. So you're totally right. Oh, interesting. Yaldabaoth has the shadow stone Eloi and Sizen, or timeline wise, way back in who knows how long before the universe was made. Yaldabaoth has, or makes, I guess with the birth of the universe, the shadow stone was made. Yes, That's a weird way to put it, but that's literally what happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the birth of our universe, the shadow stone was made. Weird.

Cristina: That's weird. But yes.

Jack: Yeah, didn't think about that before, but that's a true statement. Yes, yes, yes. Then sizen Lilith and Yaldabaoth sometime from 156,000 years ago to a hundred thousand years ago, create the stone Adam and Eve and use the stone Adam and Eve to create modern day humans. So three stones so far.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then we get, oh my God, it was in front of us and we're f****** stupid. Jesus Christ went into the shadow realm to steal the stones and Jehovah went into the shadow realm to remake the stones. It's because the stones were gone. Before Jehovah showed up. Before we start with Jehovah 12,000 years ago, he begins by going into the shadow realm and getting the parts to make them stones. Why, if he had them? Because he didn't have them. Duh.

Cristina: Jesus took them.

Jack: No, Jesus is not around yet. He wasn't created.

Cristina: He took the stones. They already had the stones.

Jack: They weren't in possession of the stones. Somebody already took the stones. Jesus went into the shadow realm to take the stones. Yalabaoth already has the stones at the point that we introduced to Jehovah, trying to make new ones at some point. So really, 12,000 years ago, where we enter with Jehovah, we. We don't have Adam or Eve. They're gone already.

Cristina: They're gone.

Jack: That's why he went into the shadow realm to go get fruits to go make those stones again. Okay, we begin with Jehovah specifically, not the whole story with Jehovah. He didn't have the stones. Adam and Eve, he never had them. Eloi made both of them. Which leaves us with one culprit and an actual path to follow.

Cristina: The culprit is Yahweh. Yahweh.

Jack: If these stones are moving from generation to generation, how in the f*** did Yaldabaoth end up with them? And you're the f****** only guy. Cause it wouldn't have been Jehovah. He's thorough. If anything, he's annoyingly thorough. People don't even like how a*** this guy is.

Cristina: I need a timeline. I need to see a line and the like dates and the people and like, I don't know. I have to physically.

Jack: Yaldabaoth infinitely long ago makes the stone that makes our universe. Then 150,000 years ago, 56,000 years ago, specifically, the stone of Adam is made, and then a hundred thousand years ago the stone is used. Then a hundred thousand years ago, the stone of Eve is made and 150,000. Or no, my bad. 150,000 years ago, the stone of Eve was made. And hundred. I mean, not 150,000 years ago, the stone of Eve is made. No, I'm wrong. Adam was made 156. Used 150. Eve was made and used a hundred thousand years ago. Okay, Jehovah first goes in to get the fruits in the Shadow Realm 12,000 years ago. Loi did the same thing about 1.5 million years ago. They're both looking and trying to do the same thing. The one individual we have almost no mentions of, we have no reference points of. But if it the information and Its existence made it all the way to Jehovah. Must have made it all it to him through his father, Yahweh. Yes, Yahweh. Who knows Hermes, Yahweh, who must have either had possession of Adam and Eve and lost it, or have somehow been the reason he doesn't have it in the first place. Even if he never got a hold of it because Eloi had it. At least we know between Eloi and Yahweh, it disappeared.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And somehow Hermes is still part of that.

Cristina: That somehow.

Jack: Somehow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yahweh might have lost the stones because we know Yaldabaoth has them. So why was Yahweh easier to take advantage of? But I feel like Loi was probably really gullible too. It was just kind of like, cool, chill. Yeah, I'll do whatever. Doesn't care. We don't know.

Cristina: There's not like so little reference. Yes, exactly. None of this makes sense. It's hard to put it together. It's there though. We're there. We're almost there.

Jack: Maybe almost where? I don't even know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Random other detail because we're way over time. I'm really quickly rapid fire this information. In another Aristotle note, because I've been going through some of that stuff still there's so much. Apollo is referred to as Apollonius.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: It means that Apollo's a nickname.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right. Running Apollonius through a search. Apparently he was an actual Greek man.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So now we have a record of this guy. Right. Similar to Hermes, Apollonius was actually an individual who performed astounding miracles. Just like Hermes the God Apollo the God Hermes, Trismegistus the Dude and Apollonius the Dude were both exceptionally amazing people who accomplished things scientifically, medically and alchemically thought to be impossible. They thought this guy was going to be the Jesus of f****** Greece. I don't know how nobody connected. I don't know. I gotta look in them. I don't how nobody connected. The fact that. So I found that he's referred to this way because a lot of his notes are in Greek, but they were actually translated. People think Aristotle wrote all his work in Greek. He was writing his work in Latin a lot of the time because it was a more general language for other scholars.

Cristina: Well, so like someone else changed it.

Jack: His work was oftentimes translated back to Greek, but it wasn't originally written in Greek. So I translated to Latin first and then to English to get the proper. And it came back Apollonius and Then I ran that through and it came out with this guy who has exactly the same treatment.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Which means now I believe it more because you got two different individuals who have the same thing. And to summarize it before we just wrap this up, that means Apollonius and Hermes can both be placed in one location at the same period of time by the same person and known to have undergone the same historical treatment. Apollo has to be looked at.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: We can put him in the same school in the same time frame, known by the same man. And history treated them exactly the same. They're trying to hide something from below.

Cristina: There's gotta be other people he mentioned.

Jack: Then there has to be many other people we have to look at Aristotle. There's something weird about.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: He wasn't just some guy.

Cristina: He's not just a guy.

Jack: The fact he's mentioned it all. Somebody's trying to hide something.

Cristina: There's something happening in that school. More than we know.

Jack: More than we know. More than we know. At least for sure. For sure. Side note. Side note. The school Lycium did in fact have students that later in history went to both Lycium and also went to Antonio Draco's academy, the one used to research Alicorn.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: Just a random line that connects to a dude who factually knows about Adrenochrome and a dude who factually knows about Alicorn. Just the ability that we could pull up names, like, I could find you student. Not that they would have known anything, considering they seem to be irrelevant nobodies.

Cristina: Maybe not all of them, but.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like there's literal names of individuals who have their hands in both pots.

Cristina: Are we gonna have him turn up at the school?

Jack: That would be nuts, but I doubt it. It'd be crazy if we go ahead and find out that John the Russian was really just Hermes too. And he's like, here, man, here's this thing I found. Yeah, it's like, wow. Investigation, we don't know, end up on the same trail. Find out the guy who's meeting that the guy who told them who gave him the alicorn was Hermes. And then the guy he met on top wasn't even the Elysians. It was also Hermes. Like, hey, you ready for training?

Cristina: What kind of game is Hermes then? That makes Hermes sound more like.

Jack: Like Q or some.

Cristina: No, like, I guess, but Merlin with author. Like, just being weird.

Jack: Oh, yeah, Weird. Like, why are you playing games, dude? Just do the thing. Yeah, anyways, but yeah, we'll continue more next time. I would dive deeper into random crap, but that's where we are now. Anyways, if you guys have any additional details or any of this and blah, blah, blah, send us messages on our socials at just Convopod, on Instagram, Tick tock X and on Facebook, I believe.

Cristina: So remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes, and word of mouth. We are uncovering the truths of the universe. And I know that you are very concerned that this is becoming more of a Matrix series, but, like, what else could it have been?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess if we go in.

Jack: The direction of technology, what else could it have been?

Cristina: They want us back into the fantasy world.

Jack: Like, if you go far enough in one direction into science, it will be a simulation running a time loop. That's all.

Cristina: That's all that's ever.

Jack: That's all it's gonna. It's got a default to it.

Cristina: It always is.

Jack: Yes. If you look at it enough, no matter what you're inside of some simulation, whether it be computer or a mind, a giant complicated brain or something, this is a simulation. No matter how you look at it, it's not absurd. And it's a time loop. You're just remembering the same moments over forever. Doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: Time loops and simulation. You're gonna repeat the same thing forever. None of it matters. The end.

Cristina: The end. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening by.

Jack: Sam.

April 08, 2024

Rambling 270: Enoch the Honorary

April 08, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is Enoch a Necromancer? Is he The Master Necromancer? Did he solely create the Philosopher’s Stone? The Duo deep dive into Enoch, the earliest individual they could track who’s ever used the name/title of Hermes Trismegistus. The answers that are discovered and the questions that are asked become an instant game changer.

+Episode Details

The Book of Genesis
Close Relationship with Jehovah
The Oldest Recorded Human
“Translation”
The Book of Enoch
The Philosopher’s Stone
The Man Who Knew Yawe

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we continue the infinitely ever spiraling thing that never ends in any kind of manner, shape, or form, but continues to fall. The. The infinite rabbit hole that we have fallen into that somehow began at unicorns and went through. So much.

Cristina: So much. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, so much.

Cristina: But now we're on to necromancers. Or we're beyond that.

Jack: No, we're still trying to hunt down this necromancer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're trying to find out.

Cristina: We're.

Jack: Okay, we're sure. We were trying to find out if the teacher necromancer we were looking for was Hermes. Yes. But now we're unclear on who or what Hermes really is. Like, yes, he's a human, but, like, is Hermes one guy is Hermes. Multiple people?

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so we're still on Hermes.

Jack: So we're still on Hermes. The idea is ultimately to find the answer to that question out, which I believe I actually have acquired. I believe I have found the answer to whether Hermes Trismegistus is actually the. The individual. And if that means it's one or many.

Cristina: You have all those answers?

Jack: I have all those answers.

Cristina: Okay, how do you start?

Jack: I come to you with nothing but answers. Okay, so let's begin back in the Holy Bible.

Cristina: Wow. Okay.

Jack: Enoch is a biblical figure and he is mentioned in the Book of Genesis, particularly described as the great grandfather of Noah and the son of Jared. Sweet. Who cares?

Cristina: Jared's not important.

Jack: He is, but not as important as Noah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Enoch personally knew Jehovah. Interesting language that is in the Bible. He personally knew Jehovah. Three statements that are made in this Bible that are very. Their own beliefs are so contradicting the very logic here. But I'm gonna tell you about three different things that are said in the Bible, okay. That contradict the very logic of Jehovah being some other thing. Now, first is, these are all statements from within the Bible. This is what they're conveying in their words. He personally knew Jehovah. That's 1. 2. He had a close relationship with Jehovah. Not a homoerotic relationship. Just like they were close. They were close in the way ancient bros were holding hands.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this could all be metaphoric until you get to the third one, which is they Used to literally take walks together according to the Bible.

Cristina: That also makes sense with holding hands. I can see that it's pretty gay, but gay men, friendships holding hands. It's nothing gay about a man and a man holding hands together.

Jack: It's weird that it is gay, but it's not gay when women do it. Right. And it's such a. Like, it's so programmed into us to see it that way, but it's so gay to see it that way.

Cristina: It is pretty. I mean.

Jack: I mean, it's not to see it that way. It's just gay to see it.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: But it's. Because it's not inherently.

Cristina: It's. Yeah, it's places where men can hold other men's.

Jack: Yeah, there's actually. Yeah, there's actually places around the world. It's ab. Absolutely normal. It has more to do with a lot of these. More macho places.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the US and the western culture, we're very detached from contact in general. I mean, we kick our children out of our homes.

Cristina: Harsh.

Jack: Like, okay, you're 18. Go live, go get out, go buy a house. Meanwhile, the rest of the world is out there living extended families because it makes sense. And we're like, no, we need to hoard more. And you're in the way of that.

Cristina: Well, we're doing a lot wrong, but. And where are we?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay. God and him holding hands.

Jack: Yeah, go to. Yeah, exactly, exactly. Enoch and God holding hands. Now, interesting enough, we didn't think about this, but this sort of dates Enoch because he's literally hanging out with Jehovah. So we're talking 12,000 years ago to 14,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this makes him about 12,000 years older than Hermes. If he is in the 14,000 year.

Cristina: Gap, where's Hermes at?

Jack: Hermes. Happened about Hermes Trismegistus as described walking in the hallways. Yeah. Happened about two, 300 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this would have been clonking him at about 12 to 14,000 years ago. If Enoch is in fact Hermes.

Cristina: Okay. Or if the first one of them. Yeah.

Jack: If he. If he's Hermes or one of them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because that. Again, this is complicated. There is a line that is mentioned that kind of confuses the logic of this, which is it makes it sound like Hermes is in fact, it's unclear as to whether Hermes is one individual or many. That is what we're trying to solve because of that complicated sentence. Now, where were we? Translation. Weird word that comes up. This one is f****** my head. At age 365.

Cristina: His age.

Jack: Yes. Okay, so he's already had to achieve immortality by this point. He discovers how. This is literally in the Bible, bro. Enoch discovers how to translate himself.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Into heaven.

Cristina: Into Heaven, the word. He can teleport. He can. He can do that thing. He's a necromancer.

Jack: Okay, yes, totally. The Bible is talking about the Bible. The Holy Bible is using translation as a word. It's discussing it like he is made of characters. Like he is software.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, the Bible.

Cristina: Yeah. A hiccup.

Jack: They forgot to remove it. They didn't turn it into a different word. It said translation in the Bible.

Cristina: We're on the. That's where. In the Matrix.

Jack: Yeah. Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he discovered how to do that very important following sentence. So the entire thing I wrote is. At age 365, Enoch discovered how to translate himself directly into heaven, which means he learned how to get to. That's what the Bible says. But he can get to the f******.

Cristina: To Elfhame is heaven. Elfame. Yeah. I was thinking because of Enoch. I mean, not Enoch. Jehovah. That just meant he was able to access the. That world where they live.

Jack: But he's not. Jehovah isn't from Elfham. Jehovah is an Elysian.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean. He went to the Elysian world because that's also takes a trance.

Jack: Yeah, but Jehovah isn't where he's trans. Oh, no. You got to listen to the entire thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The interruption there is what confused you. Let me explain what the entirety of what I was writing was. At age 365, Enoch discovered how to translate himself directly into heaven without experiencing death. This is in the Bible. This was accomplished with a colleague of his named Jehovah, a guy that he's with now. This third part is from the Apocryphal. The apoc. The apocryph, whatever the crap. The other esoteric knowledge books, the one that Enoch wrote. Yes. The ones that aren't considered canon to his mention. Over here is where we get that. The mention of Jehovah. As a colleague, I'm suddenly aware of why he was removed.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. They were the best of friends.

Jack: They were the best of friends. Hermes and Jehovah.

Cristina: We're just scientists.

Jack: A lot like Szin and Eloi.

Cristina: Yep. Okay. We found his.

Jack: The question is then, was Hermes with them in the garden? Keep in mind that this guy could be anywhere and people just don't talk about him. That's part of his whole shtick.

Cristina: Hermes or Hermes.

Jack: And they'll talk about him under any other name, usually never Hermes.

Cristina: Okay, so he might be called something else on that team.

Jack: He might be somebody else on that team.

Cristina: So is it one guy, though? Does this prove it's just one dude?

Jack: No. I also have another really important thing to tell you. Really important.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I didn't have enough time to look into this because I can't find anything into it. And I tried. I tried. And I'm going to do more work on this. Specifically.

Cristina: You have something to tell me, but you can't really tell me?

Jack: No, I'm gonna tell you. I just can't dive deeper into it after I tell you. That's the problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He. Hermes. The depictions of him are with a robe, usually a black robe, very, you know, appropriate for the time. Assuming kind of like a Zoroastrian male with a. With a kind of, like, head scarf thing happening and robes and black. Usually walked around with a staff that had a skull thing with a part of his whole. Yeah. Part of his whole, like, goth strict thing, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there was one piece that I only found out about recently that only happened when I saw him on a tarot card. And then I looked it up. His visual representation of what people think he looks like includes everything I said with one extra detail around his waist. He has a snake wrapped around him.

Cristina: What? Do you have this photo.

Jack: I can definitely show it to you.

Cristina: He has. Okay. Magician. Oh, the magician. Oh, that makes sense.

Jack: The magician. Oh, but look at him with the snake wrapped around him.

Cristina: That is kind of hard to see, but okay.

Jack: Easy to miss.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa. Magician has a snake around him and.

Jack: He has a little alchemy thing next to him. Just throwing that out there. But yes, Hermes with the appropriate.

Cristina: He has. Is there any. Is there any mention of the snake anywhere?

Jack: What did I tell you before?

Cristina: I told you about this? I know, I know. You said that was so. It's. It's crazy. You have to find out. Okay, I know, I know. That's.

Jack: That's where I didn't realize how blind I was.

Cristina: Too blinded and too blinded by the image. It's crazy.

Jack: I told you. Who's the crazy one? Hermes has a Naga. Yeah. Or based on that image, at least people depict them with it.

Cristina: Yes. So there's gotta be someone else he's hanging out with.

Jack: Yep. Besides, now let's dive deeper into Enoch. Right. In the Book of Enoch, Enoch is recorded speaking with Uriel, Gabriel, and Michael, three Elysians, all from the Garden of Eden's research team with the express purpose of exchanging information, knowledge, and insight. Okay. He is said to be among. In the book, he is said to be among the few beings who can see into h*** and heaven. This falls in line with being a necromancer. Yep. Being able to just not to look in and just know. This is exactly what being a necromancer falls with. In line perfectly. See? Said to be the only individual at the time of the telling or who could enter and exit heaven and h*** without having to first die. This falls in line with what we talked about earlier.

Cristina: But they do die. They just. They die, but they don't die because they come back. Is that why they're not saying that he dies?

Jack: I suppose. I suppose it's more that you're not actually dying. It's a metamorphosis of sorts, and it sends you somewhere else.

Cristina: Yeah. But then when they describe Jesus, they think he died and he went up to heaven. But even though they physically saw.

Jack: But keep in mind, there's two different things happening here with Jesus. There's a bunch of narrative manipulation taking place.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's altering the living out of it. It's less Morse happening. It's less so happening with Enoch because.

Cristina: They just removed it.

Jack: They just removed it. Ignored a lot of the other details. We could just find a bunch of the. In there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But with Jesus, it was meticulously altered in every possible angle.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

Jack: Additionally, he's literally described as inexplicably entering and having and dining with celestials, entering heaven and dining with celestials and casually roaming the depth of h***, encountering the wicked souls.

Cristina: But what do you think he's really doing with the heaven part? You really think he's going to the real world?

Jack: I think he's entering Elfim. I think he has a way to, like, pop up on your screen, and that's the equivalent to leaving or taking over a robot and focusing on this side. Although I'm sure he could simultaneously be over there as an AI or whatever the crap is happening.

Cristina: It's very strange because it seemed like we saw or we don't really know what happened to the other people that left. It just seemed like they left and that. That.

Jack: Yeah, like they stopped being here. And that's weird, right? Because it's inconsistent.

Cristina: Jesus, we have no. We. It feels like he's still here and like he's working in the background somehow.

Jack: Yes. And I would argue they're all doing that. And we know because if you think of more recent individuals like St. Nicholas, we're more aware of. They're still working, you know, So I.

Cristina: Didn'T think like, if you're better at.

Jack: It, you're more in the shadows.

Cristina: But you think so the. The God.

Jack: Are they the Illuminati? That's crazy, bro.

Cristina: That's complicated. But the necromancers, the other ones, they can go into Alpha?

Jack: Yes, presumably.

Cristina: Okay, because I thought they can only go there to travel through easily. That's what I saw. Not actually SO two hang out there.

Jack: I thought so too.

Cristina: He's having dinner. Or whatever that appeared.

Jack: Oh s***. I didn't consider what that literally meant.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: But like, how is he dining with them?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Unless they are also just another level.

Cristina: I don't know what that means.

Jack: The Bible literally talked about it like a program.

Cristina: Well, they talk about the getting there, but what's he actually doing when he's there? We have no idea.

Jack: Yeah, because maybe he's not exiting the overall thing. Maybe he's going to yet another layer. Yeah, maybe this is that kind of domino effect of the many. You know, the matrix that is just one on top of the other, on top of the other, on top of the other. And it doesn't matter is a billion of them. It's more likely you're in the illusion than you are in reality type of situation.

Cristina: Gosh, so complicated. Okay, for sure. Wow. He's just eating dinner there.

Jack: Yep. Abilities. Things that we know Enoch personally can do.

Cristina: Talk to the dead. I don't know.

Jack: That sounds absurd. It's the largest list we've come across yet. Thus sort of reassuring the further back we go. The Enoch has the ability to see all events of the future and alter events long before their encounter. That already sounds. Sounds like God just talking.

Cristina: Just saying that doesn't make any sense.

Jack: According to the freaking Bible, bro.

Cristina: So then did he do Jesus? Is this his evil plan? I don't understand. He can see. Like what?

Jack: I don't know. I guess there's also a seeming detachment from these individuals that they don't really interact with much. They just kind of do their own thing. Think about it. They're all established and then what? They just.

Cristina: He was close friends with a guy.

Jack: Working on Jesus and totally removed from it. He sounds like a Naga himself. Like he's just there. Oh, you need my help? Sure, whatever, dude. I don't care.

Cristina: Maybe find out. No, he can't be a Naga.

Jack: Oh no, because he has a Naga.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can enter and exit elf fame and the shadow Realm effortlessly said to be able to communicate directly with beings of Elfhame and gain insight without having to leave. Earthrealm, believed to be the most powerful alchemist, could create the philosopher's stone. Now, this is a very important line. It made it here because I couldn't put it anywhere else because I didn't have a lot of room to break this down any farther. But it's the most important piece of this information we're gonna come across. This next line comes from a medieval text that claims to be taken from a Zoroastrian text that claims to have been a direct mention from Aristotle, that claims to have been a note from Greek mythology that dates all the way back to Enoch. Again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All right.

Cristina: That's very complicated.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. This bounced a lot before it got to where it was going. Because there's no initial point. You have to kind of follow it from where it is now. There's no other line that would kind of hint to you that this is even relevant information anywhere else. So it is believed, according to this medieval text that pointed to all the other sources that slowly kind of confirmed it collectively, that Enoch. This is the. The answer to the question right here, by the way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is believed that Enoch perfected the philosopher stone's creation with the addition of the Hermetic seal. The magnum opus was not his. No, the Hermetic seal was. Enoch is Hermes. And Enoch didn't solely create the philosopher's stone. No, but we know this because something predated him by a lot. Which means until Enoch, AKA as established in that Hermes, until he showed up.

Cristina: It wasn't perfect, which I guess would be Adam. And then he helped make Eve.

Jack: No, no, because that was too long ago. He's with Jehovah, not with Eloi.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. I thought Eve was much younger than Adam.

Jack: For some reason, she is 50,000 years, but that's still 150,000.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. These timelines. Okay.

Jack: Yes. But there is one individual that's absolutely overpowered that we still theorize, required a third stone. And we just read a line that said Enoch literally knew Jehovah, the Elysian leader of the research team, the Garden of Eden. And they made. What?

Cristina: What? Who? Jesus.

Jack: Jesus.

Cristina: He helped make Jesus.

Jack: He helped make Jesus.

Cristina: He knew that. I'm so confused, because he could see everything. Why would he do it?

Jack: He was uninvested. He was uninvolved. It means nothing to him.

Cristina: That's so crazy. They had such a close relationship. It makes no sense. I guess he. Yeah. He must not felt anything. He's like, science bro.

Jack: Yeah, science bro. Like, I can't. Maybe there's a code. I can't. I can't tell you the future. Yeah, I'm not allowed to. We could be homies and I could help you and whatever, but I'm not. I'm not allowed to warn you.

Cristina: That's insane, because they sound super close. Yeah, it sounds like they were not saying nothing because he must have known.

Jack: He must have known.

Cristina: Or like maybe he warned and they still were. Like Nala's.

Jack: But then we look at what Jesus is, and maybe he did tell him and this is still part of the plan. Keep in mind, there's one part of this that's crazy. There's one part of this that's crazy. And we began with this a long time ago. We discarded it jokingly, but we began. And it's now coming back into view. We joked about it and it wasn't even considered seriously. But keep in mind that there. This all comes from research that began at loi. Has there been a plan the whole time? That's still unfolding. AKA the perfect plan.

Cristina: But perfect human. What's the point?

Jack: I don't know what the plan is. I just know that this is part of the plan.

Cristina: So you think Jesus is still part of the plan?

Jack: I don't know. I'm just like. All of this connected so seamlessly from beginning to end, all these pieces fall together.

Cristina: He knows and he knows. Like, it's still fine. Even if it might scare whatever might be happening. It's still. Yeah, like, it's still. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jack: So it's like. Oh, crap. You have the next step. Oh, good. Okay, gamers. There's a game called Outer Wilds.

Cristina: Maybe. I feel like. I think Outer Wild sounds right.

Jack: Yeah, I think so. It's a game where you. It's a puzzle story game. And in that there is the knowledge that they're gonna destroy the universe. But in the pursuit of science, they sort of have to, because. What's the next step?

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: You know, what's the next step? We gotta push it. We gotta push it further. I was thinking about this conversation about billionaires. Billionaires work the same way. You know, you begin with the simple idea of. I says, you know, I want to make a company that works, but you're ambitious and once the company works, what do I do now?

Cristina: Make another company.

Jack: Make another company. Well, Now I got 30 companies making companies sucks.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Well, I need a super mega bigger company that's Going to run that and make other. It's going to breed companies. I'm going to stop buying companies and make companies out of nowhere, just random f****** companies. But I got all the companies. And what happens? Well, the argument that I was having led to, well, these are the people who sort of become ultimately the shady individuals who run the world. Right? Because you're just trying. You're so ambitious, you got to go to the next thing. But what's after a company, okay, Politicians, you got a little sketchier now. You're a little more behind walls, but. Okay, what comes after that? Little by little now, you know, the higher up you are, you could see it a little better. You can see the next. You can see the next up a little better. But all the way from down here. That's too high up. How do we see it?

Cristina: What's the up there thing?

Jack: The next step?

Cristina: Okay, you first.

Jack: It was companies. That was many companies, and it was super mega companies. And it was eventually.

Cristina: It's children's blood somehow.

Jack: Somehow. But this not. Yeah, I guess in this scenario, that would lead to children's blood. But literally, in the case of Jehovah and in the case of Hermes, in the case of all these individuals, maybe it's not even that they are different parts. Maybe it's a unit. Maybe Hermes had to be Hermes. And there was always a Hermes, because there's another pattern that seems to always form. They all have a f****** Naga. What the f***? They all have a Naga. And they're all sort of working towards kind of sort of the same more or less thing. Right. What the f*** is that? They're all kind of sort of doing the same thing for no reason.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're all kind of sort of doing the same thing. Yeah. Even now we're still doing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're all kind of sort of doing the same thing, kind of aiming at this. At this thing that we couldn't. None of us can name. I'm sure somebody can, though.

Cristina: Yeah. This other life that we're creating right now is AI, though.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. But it's all part of the on moving. And there's shadier, bigger, greater forces also, but those forces are also just another part of this kind of infinitely larger machine. And that again, Jehovah and Hermes were friends, but because they had to be. Because it was part of this thing that had to happen.

Cristina: It had to happen. Yeah.

Jack: Because literally Susan and Eloi were. Because literally Yaldabaoth brought them together. Yaldabaoth Literally said, go find my son. Yes, go, go. Start working together or something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Figure things out. You need to meet him.

Cristina: Mad bromance, but mad science.

Jack: Mad science.

Cristina: But what's the end goal?

Jack: What's the end goal? That's the only question we have. No, we've never even been close.

Cristina: Not even.

Jack: Not even close. S***'s ridonkulous.

Cristina: But if Jesus is involved, what does that mean? There's too many still questions about what's currently or what's going to happen. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Yeah, it's like. It's too fuzzy. It's too fuzzy. It's unknown. But it's mind blowing that just this line provides so much information.

Cristina: So it is one dude. Did you solve that problem? You said you were gonna answer that. I don't know if I answered that.

Jack: Yes, this answers that.

Cristina: It is one dude.

Jack: It is one dude. Because Hermes is Enoch. Enoch perfected the philosopher's stone by adding the additional step, the Hermetic seal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The Hermetic seal. Named after Hermes.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Tada. Amazing.

Jack: So it's always been the same guy?

Cristina: It is. Okay.

Jack: Immortality is a m***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, other things I found relative to his abilities. He had the ability. We've read this about necromancers before, but this is something that Enoch could do. So just to confirm farther. This is why I put this after that line. Because now it's just too obvious. He could drag beings in and out of H*** and Elfame.

Cristina: He's the word drag beings.

Jack: Yeah. He could like, literally go in and pull them across without them having to die for both Elfame, essentially. So heaven and for h***. So the shadow realm.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. So he's op. He could drag various.

Jack: Well, this is an interesting. Actually, I read that wrong. He could drag beings from Earthrealm into the shadow realm, and he could drag beings from the shadow realm into Earthrealm. So between Earthrealm and between the shadow realm. Because the next line is the one that's about Elfame, which is he could trap beings from Elfame in either the shadow realm or the Earth Realm.

Cristina: How? It was fairy trees.

Jack: How it was literally described was, is that he can stop souls from returning to heaven.

Cristina: Ah, Cherry.

Jack: He's making sure he can make fairy trees.

Cristina: Interesting. He can stop there. Okay.

Jack: He can stop souls and angels.

Cristina: Yep. Whoa. And angels.

Jack: You can stop souls and angels from getting to heaven.

Cristina: How does that even make sense?

Jack: Okay, additional points. Enoch was known for frequently teaching youths the lessons he'd learned and the disciplines he'd acquired through his travels and his exceptionally long life. This is reading from medieval texts.

Cristina: Okay. Which makes sense because like the current Hermes or the one in. Where is it? Greece.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's just teaching people.

Jack: He's just teaching people. Which falls in line with what these people are talking about, Enoch, thus tying those two individuals together. We're really calculating this guy. He might be the only individual which we have at two points this far apart other than Loi, that we could be like, that is really the same dude. Because the furthest distance before then we had were the St. Patrick and. And St. Nicholas.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Which seemed to be relatively active in these times. And still back then. That's 2000. Ish. A little less than that time period. And the other was Jehovah himself. That clocks in at 12,000 years ago, 14,000 years ago, 6,000 years ago, and then again at some point like 4,000 years ago. But this now has Hermes as the longest, other than he's now second place, longest living. Third, if we consider Lilith. Oh. Because it would be Loi clocking in at 3.5 million years, then Lilith clocking in at, weirdly enough, like a hundred and fifty thousand years ago, and then landing again at twelve thousand years ago. And then. Well, actually LOI would be 3.5 million, then 150,000 than 100,000. And then we don't hear from him. Lilith would be 150,000. 100,000. I guess she actually has the largest gap because Lilith jumps from 100,000 all the way to 12,000 years ago. That's an 88,000 year gap.

Cristina: That is a crazy gap.

Jack: She has the second longest behind. Yeah, for sure. Because Loi has millions. Then it's Lilith. So she might be worth looking for because she's touching.

Cristina: She's a necromancer now. Like, we don't. We haven't even thought about that.

Jack: No. Because she's a. A gin.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: There's something weird about her. There's something. But also sizzle seems to have been like, around bro.

Cristina: Yeah. It doesn't seem like gins have life like we have life. Like they're. They don't have the same. They could probably live forever just naturally because their world is so different from ours.

Jack: Interesting. And that's why necromancers must connect to that.

Cristina: To live forever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: To live as long. I don't know. Like if they can live forever.

Jack: Yeah. I have no idea.

Cristina: But they can live very long.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Especially with Hermes now. He doesn't seem to be clocking in as long as somebody like Lilith or.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or Eloi, but he's still coming in at. That's pretty. A hefty 14, 000 years. Yeah, some. Pulling in some strong numbers. You're around here longer than Jesus, my dude.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Jesus by like, a while. Yeah, you know, by a while.

Cristina: And then we hear him. More recent than Jesus, too.

Jack: We hear him. We clock him at 14, and at 12. We then clock him at 2,300, and then we clock him in at about 200, and then we clock him in at about 700, and then there's no mention of any other individual going by the name of Hermes again. Okay, so he must be dead or going by a different name, which. That means he'll just pop up again because that's a huge gap of time. In every one of those instances, he just dips, vanishes, pops up somewhere else.

Cristina: But always Hermes. No, no, but the nickname is given to him eventually. Is that what's happening?

Jack: So an interesting fact about the name. The name was given to him by Yahweh.

Cristina: What?

Jack: As an honorary Elysian title.

Cristina: It's a title.

Jack: Now, I Obviously, I always. Correct. Based on the knowledge we know. So let's rephrase this. As it's stated, he is given this title by God as stated Yahweh, written at that instant. Yahweh. You know, he's written differently all the time. Written Yahweh in this instance, which we know is Jehovah's Father, by the way, which dates Hermes even farther.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. How is that possible?

Jack: And we don't know how far back that day. Something.

Cristina: Then how does man. He has to have been involved with the other book that came before. What is it? The. The thing. That thing. The. The. The first step before the seal.

Jack: The magnum opus.

Cristina: Yes. Like, even if he didn't write it, he was probably involved in it somehow. If he's that ancient.

Jack: Well, no, because. Because he's human. Therefore, he's from the realm that the first instant made El. Yaldabaoth made the Garden by killing the people in. Well, he made the Forest of Shadows by killing the people of El Fame in there and thus creating the Earth. Yeah. With the Isle of Man being the opposite side and sort of the birthplace of the Earth realm.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And thus Yaldabaoth made the first steps.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He would have to. Okay, now, he didn't know he did. But he did.

Cristina: But he wrote the book.

Jack: I don't know if he. Hermes, wrote the book. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he wrote the magnum opus. He wrote it down. Keep in mind, when Zosimos found it, people were attributing it to him as well, calling him the father of alchemy. But now we know that was Hermes.

Cristina: Okay, that's what I was wondering.

Jack: And we know that Zosimos was telling them that even in the notes, it was stating that it was discovered.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Not created. So whoever wrote the notes also discovered it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now we could just confirm, based on this information, Hermes wrote the notes that Zosimus discovered and that the Elysians had it with them because they were so close to Hermes, that when they left. Because where did Zosimos find the magnum opus?

Cristina: Their old home.

Jack: At their old home of the shores of the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: All these f****** dots connect in such a web.

Cristina: Pretty.

Jack: Makes sense, but it makes sense. So Hermes wrote it. And here we have Zosimus literally telling everybody not only did I not make it, the guy who I found this from didn't make it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And they're all like, oh, no, you're the father of alchemy. But really, it was Hermes. But really, Hermes studied. What? He saw something else do the original. He didn't see the original do it, but he must have seen either. Loi. But I think that's too long ago. But we're bridging something interesting, and I think this is where the next step goes. If he is the first necromancer, he is the godfather of necromancy, the creator of necromancy, and the teacher of the only possible three we can confirm in a possible fourth, then Lilith is who we have to focus on, because she is the only person who would fit in the time frame and the only person who would have seen the stone from within. The first point and the second point. If Jehovah has stones and we see him going to get the fruit to recreate them, and then Eloi actually had them at the time that they made the Stone of Adam and the Stone of Eve, then these two individual moments are unrelated. But there is one person that's related to both moments and the other person that would have maybe crossed paths because. Because necromancy somehow takes you through that world would have been Hermes going to the shadow realm and crossing paths with Lilith, who no longer associates with Jehovah. But no, she then does associate with Jehovah. So does she introduce Hermes to Jehovah?

Cristina: I don't know. She tricks them, though, doesn't she, to use the stone herself.

Jack: She did that with Eloi.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So confusing. Okay. And then they let her back in.

Jack: Jehovah had no problem with her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, it's weird because I don't know if Hermes interact with Eloi at all. We have two now individuals, now that we think about it. We have Hermes and Lilith, who interacted with two different Loi. Loi. Loi and Yahweh. Loi.

Cristina: Oh, that's weird. That's very weird. But what does it mean to the timeline?

Jack: I don't know what does it mean to the timeline? But we know it was a name given to him.

Cristina: Hermes. Yes.

Jack: Title Enoch was the name given to him by Yahweh. By God. Yahweh, as an honorary saint.

Cristina: Oh, Enoch was.

Jack: Enoch is the name given to Hermes.

Cristina: Oh, I thought it was Hermes.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Enoch is the biblical name given by Yahweh the Elysian. This is their type of way of speaking.

Cristina: Okay. They gave him the title Enoch. Okay.

Jack: They gave him the title Enoch, but he was Hermes. Yeah.

Cristina: And then he was still Hermes when he was teaching at the school.

Jack: He was always Hermes because he's always Hermes. His name the only. Keep in mind, Enoch doesn't have last name. Weird. So is that his first name or is that his last name? Because her mistress Magistus has a first and last name.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Okay, that sounds like a person versus this title Enoch.

Cristina: I guess. I guess.

Jack: Fascinating, right?

Cristina: Yeah. He's got more abilities. Or that's all the abilities. All the important abilities.

Jack: Yeah. I already went through his abilities. The abilities ended when we were talking about. Oh, no, never mind. There was one extra one I totally spun out after I told you that he could trap beings from Alfim. There was one more.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: This is probably the most important thing.

Cristina: That I told you were just gonna skip.

Jack: I was totally gonna forget about this. I got distracted. This is a weird one, because this language, I didn't even know how to translate it. So we're gonna talk about it. But we know what the h*** it means. But I didn't want to mess it up. I wanted to just put it as it is, and then we're gonna make the obvious conclusion on this one. He could. I don't know why drag was so often used here, but he could drag untainted souls to h***. That's such obvious language that I am. Like, what? Because you're violating everything we know now.

Cristina: Taking good people into. Taking good, innocent people into h***. That's what he said.

Jack: He can take untainted souls to H*** yeah. Now, drag was used, but I'm sure it doesn't literally mean that. I'm sure that this was showing up in these texts. These are biblical texts. That's why they're showing up this way. As opposed to what's probably happening, which is what we know that others have done. Which is like the Judge, he can make a way for people to go.

Cristina: Through the shadow realm.

Jack: The shadow realm without ever having consumed any adrenochrome. That's a whole other level of overpowered.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the Judge saw a rift somewhere. Yeah, just a hole.

Cristina: So you can just. He. You could probably just see these rifts.

Jack: Well, what was that rift to begin with? We never talked about it. That's just a hole.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: This is the hole connecting to the shadow realm. It's a gambin, A code somehow. And you could just step through a place where you'd have to go through a whole process to die first and then get into.

Cristina: Can sense these holes or something. Maybe. Or is it them? Or make them.

Jack: Keep in mind. They could just slip to themselves. Why aren't they just. Are they literally just messing with the fabric? They could just suck whatever.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's too powerful. I mean, they're already Dr.

Jack: Strange. Dr. Strange everywhere. Just whatever I want.

Cristina: That's. That's. Negro mantors are ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This.

Jack: It seems like there's no limit to.

Cristina: How exaggerated they are messing with time. But he can also see the future. He can see everything. He can do he. How's he not a God?

Jack: This sounds like he's a God.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: This also explains why he would be so removed from giving a crap. Additional details. Hermeticism is attributed purely to Hermes Trismegistus. That's an important weird thing that is not attributed to anybody else. Hermeticism is attributed as having been written by Hermes Trismegistus, which is.

Cristina: He's just explaining how the world reality works.

Jack: How reality works. And it goes in two parts. And there is said to be a third part which used to be one of the two parts which would be the hard part. And the secret part. Right now there's the hard part and a simplified part.

Cristina: There was a secret part.

Jack: Well, the secret part is what nobody gets taught. Like how to be an echo master, presumably.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Old magic. Exactly.

Cristina: Yes. Which I guess would be. The secret part is learning how to use those things that you just.

Jack: Yes, exactly. How to use those parts.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Because the rules were you have to learn and understand this stuff. Presumably what he meant by the tools, by the technologies and the philosophies of the three realms is really truly understanding hermeticism.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that would then give you the tools that he could then provide the last piece to you.

Cristina: That's crazy. I like it. I like it.

Jack: And it seems that he works this way a lot because again, he found some. He's an innovator. He finds a system and he adds something to make it better.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: That's amazing.

Cristina: It really is. It's really cool.

Jack: The only three individuals we can honestly, truthfully and factually confirm to, most likely based on all this information, be his students. Because they don't fall under, it seems, his name. And it seems their motives don't line up with his whole I' ma teach.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And their locations don't line up with his, and their behavior don't line up with his. They don't go by his name. No. But there's nothing tying them. At least location would have done that, if nothing else. But not even.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this by default. And because they don't seem as overpowered, it seems that St. Patrick, St. Nicholas and Merlin, all three are lower grade necromancers. Students of.

Cristina: Still pretty powerful.

Jack: Still overpowered, all of them.

Cristina: But yeah, nothing compared to him. Yeah.

Jack: At least in scale. More powerful than Elysians by just default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is crazy because we calculate Elysian power on the Kardashev scale for how exaggerated they are.

Cristina: They the same? Is one above the other or.

Jack: That's interesting because I would argue Jesus is above the other three. But I don't know where Jesus stands next to Hermes, because now we have a true question of power. Right? Where do those two individuals stand next to each other? It's hard to compare crap from Alfame. It doesn't make sense in sentences like how the h*** am I going to compare? Like a human from the real world and an AI. Like what the f*** am I talking about? But now Jesus versus Hermes, we're talking the same level, more or less.

Cristina: Yeah, it feels like it.

Jack: And Jesus's humanity allows him to be the necromancer. Use the abilities he could have maybe gathered the same way Hermes did.

Cristina: He has to be more powerful. He has to be. He's. I forgot, he's a. He's not just human.

Jack: If it wasn't for. If it wasn't for the fact that we hear from Hermes about 300, 200, 300, and about 700 years after the death of Christ. If it wasn't for that reason, I would have assumed that, like Glycon, Hermes became Jesus. Jesus as part of the process. This was the next step for him. I can't disprove it. This is the theory I was trying to work with because it was working in my mind, but it in my quest. I disproved it because I clocked Hermes at different points, conflicting with Jesus's points.

Cristina: So crazy. But okay, it's not that crazy. So they're not the same.

Jack: No, because we can clock also Hermes and Jesus being mentioned beyond the death of Jesus, which, yes, too bad for you Christians. Jesus is mentioned in other texts after his death in other places quite a while later. If you guys didn't know, you can go look that up. But they. They kind of ran together in different locations at the same time with absolutely different purposes, thus confirming individuality. Yeah.

Cristina: Awesome. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I was working towards an awesome idea. I was like, totally.

Cristina: This is pretty awesome.

Jack: It's starting to look this way, man.

Cristina: It was. It makes sense. I see. But.

Jack: But no, it's not.

Cristina: Okay. So we still don't know who's the most powerful.

Jack: We don't know who's the most powerful. Now, there is an additional note to make here and we will close on this last bit piece, which is it's possible that if you look at how stories of vampires go, they seem to be very related to Jesus, very related to the whole blood drinking, the whole this, the whole that. But if you really look at stories of Dracula, the ancient vampire, different to all the other vampires, the focus is entirely different. It's less about the blood drinking, it's more about all his other abilities. His ability to just stare at you and hypnotize you. The fact that he's infinitely old in an unfathomable fashion. The fact that he's so intelligent and so wise, and the fact that other vampires are just vampires, but he seems to have abilities and powers.

Cristina: They're like zombies. More the other vampires, they're like animals. Wild animals.

Jack: No, I mean sophisticated vampires. If we consider only all the sophisticated vampires. Not vampires around Dracula.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because you're talking about his bat children. Yeah, they're animals.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That was his experience.

Cristina: He could turn into wild animals. Not just bats, but like dogs and.

Jack: But now think of even in those stories, what's happening? What was he trying to do even with his children. Perfect. It. The story was the same. The point is the same because I think the narrative is the same. Keep in mind Dracula isn't the first instance of vampire. It's just the one that told the best story. So we're most familiar with it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But Dracula is still based on the elder vampire. And that's a story that's always been around. And the elder vampire is essentially all the characteristics.

Cristina: Like. Are you saying Jesus might also be trying to do what these other people. Because we don't know what he's trying to.

Jack: We don't know. I don't know what Jesus trying to do do. I'm just saying that the stories of Dracula, a vampirism, but specifically Dracula, might be inspired by Hermes, not Jesus. Because the other sophisticated vampires are inspired by Jesus. Yes, the one original, but the one that's about him being ancient and very private and dark and secretive. And you don't know anything about him. And him just looking at you and you just hypnotized. And these vampires not. He makes this. Them look stupid. He could, you know, magic and tricks and poof and whatever. And it's like that's a whole different focus than the ones that, oh, I just got powers. I'm faster and stronger and I could bite you. Like two different ball games. Even if they're both technically vampires.

Cristina: Yeah. So Dracula might be Dracula might be Hermes.

Jack: Yeah, Dracula's. Dracula's literally just the elder vampire. And the elder vampire is an ancient Celtic story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: About an ancient vampire. It was ancient back then when it was told about an ancient vampire, Hermes. It was just about that kind of guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe specifically him or somebody else who found another way using what we're listening to in that dialogue. Vampire. We know how they got there, but would. At that point they wouldn't be. But then that's crazy because if the elder vampire story is not literally Hermes, then I just randomly talking crazy, concluded that there's maybe another not good version of Hermes that isn't Hermes. That might have actually been the true inspiration behind.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: The elder vampire story.

Cristina: That's not Jesus.

Jack: It's not Jesus. I guess Jesus would be the most likely than. Yeah, he would be more likely than Hermes. Because Hermes doesn't seem like in the blood that way. Other than the murder part.

Cristina: Well, that could be in the blood. I mean, people disappear around him.

Jack: Yeah, but Dracula drinks blood, so maybe.

Cristina: Their guess on what's he doing with all these bodies. Jesus drinks blood, but the bodies lose blood either way.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: To make the stones. Yeah. There's bodies with no blood.

Jack: There's drains.

Cristina: They can be like, how did that happen? They're not going to conclude.

Jack: Oh yeah, you find a bunch of. But hitting it so on the nose is probably because they were right and because the situation. They saw it. They could have guessed anything. They were right. So they didn't guess the right answer. They saw the right answer. That's why they were right. Which means Jesus, not Hermes. Right. Because Jesus would be the one trying to get in the homies of Jesus. So I think the elder vampire would be that. I don't think they would just conclude incorrectly the right answer.

Cristina: Isn't that what you're saying, if it's Jesus?

Jack: No, I'm saying that they would have literally just seen and been talking about Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So they knew. Not they guessed and thus got it right, but rather they knew the right answer. Okay, they weren't guessing. You said they guessed the right answer.

Cristina: Well, they. No, they weren't guessing the right answer because they were wrong. If they were guessing he was biting them, but Hermes wasn't biting them because he was using their blood to make a stone. Not to.

Jack: Oh, yeah, but they would have been guessing the other guy's story. Yeah, that's what I was getting. Yeah, yeah, that's what I was trying to get to. They would have been guessing the other guy's correct story for that same situation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Thus meaning that other guy's story that matches the already existing description.

Cristina: Okay. So it has to be Jesus.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably the right one. So I was probably wrong. I made that note thinking it made sense, but in talking about it, I have convinced myself out of it, and now it makes. Because Hermes is not associated with drinking blood.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Jesus is literally trying to convince individuals to do that. Not for nefarious reasons necessarily, but his method involved it.

Cristina: Yes, for sure. There's got to be some. Something there. Yeah. So he's not. He's not Dracula.

Jack: Oh, he's not Dracula. I was excited about that one, too. D***.

Cristina: No, I'm not. I'm not happy about that. I wish. I wish, but I wish he was.

Jack: Well, Jesus was. It's fine. Hermes. Apparently many people and apparently old as h*** and apparently new Yahweh. Which means look more into Hermes because.

Cristina: Maybe somehow we can get a mention, connect to Lilith.

Jack: We got to see if he can connect to Lilith and if he can connect to Yahweh. Interesting.

Cristina: We might have something. Yeah.

Jack: Following Hermes down the rabbit hole now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All right, if you guys have any additional information to give us on any of this stuff, feel free to shoot that our way on our socials at just convop. That is on TikTok on X on Facebook, on Instagram and remember to subscribe.

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Jack: Bye, Sam.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

April 06, 2024

Rambling 269: The Harrowing of Hell

April 06, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was the true reason for the Crucifixion? What happened to Jesus after getting Crucified? What was his ultimate goal? The duo unpack the Harrowing of Hell and the fact that according to the Bible it seems Jesus died a sinner, but why?

+Episode Details

Topics DIscussed:

The Crucifiction
Jesus the Sinner
The Journey to Hell
Hidden Prison
Retrieving the Goods
Yaldabaoth (AKA Jehovah of Dark)

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And it's so. I mean, again, it's not like I have a lot. It's. I don't have a lot of notes. It's more that. This is extremely dense and it focuses on a situation that we've heavily overlooked and we've looked kind of straight at a million thousand times. Composed a little something here for us to look at and it's going to answer so. It's so small, but it's going to answer so many questions. Who's what? Why? Where? Who's doing what? Why are they doing it? There's so many with the smallest of things, and it doesn't necessarily tie to Hermes, but it connects to him indirectly. And also, before we even get to this, Hermes Trismegistus invents the magnum opus and the Hermetic seal, both steps of creating the philosopher's stone. There's no way Hermes Trismegistus was not working one on one with Eloi, the one who made the Stone of Adam and the Stone of Eve. There's no way. Okay, it's literally named after a dude who shows up mad later is because this guy was there way before. It's his name for the process.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he must have been way back then. How.

Cristina: Humans are somehow special then in the story.

Jack: Well, if he is a necromancer, death is not a problem.

Cristina: Yeah, but it seems like necromancers come from humans.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: Yeah, like, that's very interesting. I don't know how he relates to anything, but it seems like that's.

Jack: Well, yeah, no, it's something weird about that. The possibility that Hermes Trismegistus is a title itself, that's another possibility. Many guys name that, but I think that's not the case. I think it is one guy. Because through the case of necromancy, we seem to consistently defy the need for. For age. And time kind of just dissolves into the background because long enough gets anywhere. The idea would be, can necromancer share this and that, would that explain something like an loi lasting long, even if not millions of years? Because as we know, we literally established it is the last name or bare minimum, some sort of title or position, and there were different people, different. But that means in this case, fair enough. Maybe he's not sharing immortality because Jehovah learned this with Azrael. Eloi didn't. Which means there were many Elois. The first discovery of immortality for someone non necromancer was Israel. That might be the actual first instance of immortality within biological beings.

Cristina: And how did they figure it out?

Jack: Science.

Cristina: The science. Okay.

Jack: Asriel. Yes. She's a geneticist.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And she solved that. But that happened in the time of Jehovah, sometime in like, 7,000 BC, so that's relatively recent.

Cristina: Do you think the unicorn horns have anything to do with that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Or unicorns at all?

Jack: No, no, no, no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Definitely not. But that's just definitely something for us to think about. We still got to look into who is within the title of Eloi, whether it's family members of Jehovah. Although I've seen all names after that. I've seen Jehovah, Eloi. I've seen Yahweh Eloi. I've seen Elohim, Eloi. I thought Elohim and Eloi were more close together, but no Elohim, Eloi, which means Elohim is somebody in the family or somebody who is just Eloi. The first one is just Eloi, presumably. Eloi. The first Eloi was the first Eloi, and he did a thing that made him important. And so Legend of Zelda style, every next individual assumes the name just like Zelda.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I mean, not Zelda. Link.

Jack: Just like Link.

Cristina: Just like Link. Yeah.

Jack: So that's what I'm thinking. Anyways, as for what we're talking about today, a week ago, do you know what was a week ago?

Cristina: Do I know what was one week ago? No. Was this at Patrix Day? I don't remember.

Jack: No, no.

Cristina: That's two weeks ago.

Jack: That was way longer than what you said. It was the day Jesus died.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Okay. Easter.

Jack: Yeah, Easter.

Cristina: And we just didn't talk about it. Did we talk about.

Jack: No, we didn't talk about Easter. I mean, we might have brushed over while talking about something else, but.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The problem is we've messed up because Easter should have been our starting point for many, many reasons.

Cristina: Starting point for what?

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything.

Cristina: Easter is that important.

Jack: Easter has a lot. I'm just gonna spit out some sentences at certain points, and you're gonna be like, how the f***? And like, that's too black and white to not be literally what's happening. So do you know what happened on Easter?

Cristina: He came back from the dead.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: That's all I gotta get. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so he died on the crucifixion day. Then three days later he comes back. And we know that story really vividly because he came back through the Shanto gates. He met with some homies, according to the Bible, you know, he met with some people, blah, blah, blah. And then he did. But we know he kept kind of like wandering around doing things. And he died in India or whatever the h***. Not even in India. He actually died where the. There were. No, it was in India where the fairies are.

Cristina: I think it was.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So sure. All of these things Jesus did after he came to life, all you have to wonder is what did he do in those three days? Okay, so he died. Let's unpack the logic. He died and he built the Shinto gates because. What?

Cristina: Because to come back here. No, that was beforehand. He died and then he built this.

Jack: No, he built the Shinto gates because he knew he would die. Yes. Why did he build the Shinto gates? To come back from where?

Cristina: The Shadow room.

Jack: Why would he go to the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Because of all the blood drinking.

Jack: Okay, well established.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Why was he drinking blood if he was already overpowered?

Cristina: that's a good question. I don't know. It was important somehow because of the religion. He needed people to drink his blood. So I guess he also had to.

Jack: I don't know, obviously. So that he doesn't permanently die. That's all it is. It's so that you don't permanently die. Right. You go to the Shadow Realm. He built the gate. Then he could just come back. He can't die. He established immortality. That is loop.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You die without the adrenochrome. You just die. You die with the adrenochrome, you go to the other side. He built the gates, he can come back. The adrenochrome. Was the located immortality in his case?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or was it?

Cristina: Or was it. I don't know.

Jack: In the Bible. In the Bible it says that Jesus went to h*** for three days. Let's just talking about the Bible real quick. Not talking about the fact of the matter, but let's talk about the Bible. Jesus went to h*** for three days, not heaven. Christian's Messiah died and actually went to h***. It doesn't matter what logic they try to reason that one away with. He lied in the eyes of God and went to h***. He didn't kill anybody. He didn't harm. No. Which means the one thing he did must have been a lie, because everything else checked out. So he was. He was just lying the whole time? According to the Bible itself, he went to h*** after he died. Not heaven. He didn't die a martyr. He died a sinner. Ooh.

Cristina: Is that how they. But that's not how they see it.

Jack: Oh, no, because how they see it, they rationalize it. He chose to go there.

Cristina: How does that make sense? For what purpose?

Jack: Obviously, the story is bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah, but what's their purpose of him wanting to go to h***?

Jack: It's not a matter of them having a purpose for him wanting to go to h***. It's having to cover up what actually happened and having no way to do.

Cristina: It the right way. Mm.

Jack: What did he do while he was in h***?

Cristina: Talk to his father?

Jack: No, because his father isn't in h***.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What did he do when he went to h***?

Cristina: I don't even know the story. I have no idea.

Jack: I'm gonna tell you. That's the point of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I'm hoping you'd guess.

Cristina: Oh, that was my guess. And you're saying no. So he.

Jack: You know, his father's not in h*** according to the Bible, so that doesn't make sense.

Cristina: I was just his real father without the.

Jack: The things we've talked about just with the Bible, why'd he go?

Cristina: Who? The creatures.

Jack: What would Jesus do? What creatures? We're not talking about. We know. We're talking about just the Bible.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I'm saying don't think about what we talked about. Just the Bible.

Cristina: What they say he wants.

Jack: What do you think they say that's.

Cristina: I. Honestly, I haven't. I don't know. Why would they want. Okay, let me think. I put the heavy go. He chose.

Jack: He chose.

Cristina: He chose because he wanted to know. I don't know. He was curious. Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: He's curious. What happens to sinners? I don't know.

Jack: Brace yourself, because I'm going to tell you what the Bible says he went there for. But the problem is, I didn't need anything else. I looked for more.

Cristina: I.

Jack: But all it did was confirm. So then I just came back to the Bible. Because what I'm about to tell you is too cut and dry. It doesn't matter without the context. But we have so much context. The next two sentences I'm about to tell you are going to do a lot. I'll begin with the less important one, and then we'll discuss in both terms what we know and what the narrative is. Sentence number one, that's gonna shake you up and falls along what we're Saying when he went to h*** for those three days, one of the two things he did was release people he deemed righteous who were sent there in the Old Testament. Now, let's go. Hold up. Let's go back a little bit and clarify that this absolutely means Jesus and Jehovah were never on the same side on paper in the Bible. That makes no sense. Jesus went to h*** to free the people he did not agree Jehovah put there.

Cristina: Which. How. How's that possible? How do they not think the same?

Jack: Because you're not the same person, obviously. But according to the Bible, how do they. They don't. It's a bunch of cognitive dissonance. It doesn't happen. It doesn't play. Oh, no. He's both. And he change or what? No.

Cristina: How does he change? No, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense. It's not.

Cristina: Then he's definitely not perfect. He's so far from perfect.

Jack: Yeah, that would just be flaws. That would be infinite flaws.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He changed his mind every 10 minutes and he has no plan if he's changing his mind all the time. There can't be a perfect plan because he changes the plan every 10 seconds. You're telling me he threw some people down there and 2000 years later he's like, no, come on, I gotta take him out?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, no. Then your plan sucks.

Cristina: It makes no sense. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. You're building the plan as you go, essentially. It makes zero sense.

Cristina: He said there's a second reason.

Jack: We are going to unpack this first.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We're not just rushing through this. We don't do that. We're gonna talk about the fact that Jesus, according to the Bible, is not Jehovah. According to the Bible, he went to h*** to free other people who Jehovah put there, but he disagrees with their presence in there. Well, that's crazy. Yeah, it's nuts. And specifically Old Testament, which brings up another conflicting issue. Yaldaba is Old Testament God. No, that's Jehovah of Dark. Before we found out who he was, it was the guy from the shadow realm. Is the guy who talked to the rabbi. It is that guy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was Yaldabaoth. He was the Old Testament God, and.

Cristina: He'S the one putting people in h***.

Jack: He's the one who put those people. He took them to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: He took these people to the shadow realm and Jesus went and got him.

Cristina: Why did he take them to the shadow realm?

Jack: They were prisoners of his These are the people he did not like. These are the people who did things he did not approve of. These are prisoners. Jesus knew where to find out about prison, bare minimum and free people. Let's. That's the thought that should be coming to your mind. He knew exactly where to go when he died. It only took him three freaking days to get there, save them, and be like, I'm good.

Cristina: How? How?

Jack: Think of the ability to zone into some s*** everybody else has been looking for. And he did it in three f****** days.

Cristina: He's more supernatural than the shadow realm creatures.

Jack: So by miles. By miles, you found the highest thing within the these two realms. At least in three days. I am assuming he found them on the first day and it just took him three days to get back because the third day is when we saw him. So bare minimum took him like two days. And assuming he did more than just that, he might have just gotten their freedom instantly.

Cristina: Do you have any idea how many people there were that he showed up with?

Jack: No. They were unimportant. They were just prisoners of that time.

Cristina: How do people not think that's crazy? He came back from the dead with people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or did they go to heaven? Like, what's the story of what happened to the people he saved from h***? Did they come back to life in Earth or did they go straight to heaven?

Jack: Unclear. I didn't care gives a s***. I was more impressed about like, that's. If we had the answer to that question, what would that even mean? It'd be a bullshit lie. They went to heaven. What does that mean? Nothing. Nothing. That's useless information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they were just freed out here, then. Okay, you zombies set people free.

Cristina: I don't know. That'd be strange.

Jack: Are many other jinn out here? They wouldn't be the first. They're definitely not. The last is just normal nothing. The action itself is what's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not the people. What happens to them? Who cares? Because like, who cares? It's just people. He found them in two days.

Cristina: That is pretty.

Jack: In the shadow realm. That's already described as a convoluted mirror house.

Cristina: Yes. But also, I don't know how much is it because it seems like people could easily travel it also, I don't know. It seems like if you. You just stumble upon it, you know where you're going.

Jack: Well, I guess not really enough times. It like anything else, you'll become familiar.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do you become familiar in two days?

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: The judge got lost.

Cristina: The judge got it was his sister who just knew he.

Jack: No, his sister didn't just know. He showed his sister.

Cristina: Oh, after he got lost?

Jack: Yeah, he got lost in there. He then started using that after he got familiar with and then he showed his sister. People find these things by accident. They get.

Cristina: So how does Jesus.

Jack: How would he. Unless it wasn't his first shot there.

Cristina: I guess not. I'm guessing because he did make the portals beforehand, he could have just been.

Jack: Dipping in and out at casual moments. But those portals don't work. Those portals are one way. So how was he getting over there?

Cristina: How did he as a necromancer?

Jack: Well, we don't actually. We're assuming he's a necromancer. And this adds to that for sure. For sure. But we don't actually know he is.

Cristina: But if he is, he could go back and forth.

Jack: Yeah, Easily. Easily, easily. And he could kind of go. He wouldn't even need to walk the shadow realm. He could live.

Cristina: Doesn't make sense because like he can live forever as a necromancer.

Jack: Exactly. And when I explained the other part to you, it's obvious that the death was important. So he couldn't actually get in there. He was legitimately struggling to get to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Then how did he figure it out?

Jack: How do you figure it out? What did he know? How? How did he know?

Cristina: How did he know? Does he have a portal?

Jack: But for a fact, even within the Bible, not even going anywhere else we can factually determine. Yes. Jesus is not in accordance with Yaldabaoth AKA Jehovah of Dark. He went and freed those things in second. He could find them. Yaldaba is hiding. Yalda is hiding. I don't know if the Elysians are hiding. Yalda is hiding.

Cristina: Why? It feels like he just wanted to make an enemy for no reason. Unless there's a reason for him doing that.

Jack: He didn't want to make an enemy. He created the entire earthrealm to watch actual Elfame consciousness find its way out of the program so that he himself could replicate. Wasn't any of those things. It was just how are they doing it? So I can see and do it.

Cristina: But why would he do it? That's just so crazy that he would just that for like how did he know where they were? Why would he do it?

Jack: Where they were? All of these things? For sure?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think Jesus person only knew Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: Why do you think that?

Jack: If he's a necromancer and we can't find any other teachers and it's likely there's only one. It's Hermes. Which means if Jesus is a necromancer, he had to learn it from Hermes unless he himself made his own version of it. But we would know about that.

Cristina: But we know there's a Hermes version of Hermes in the Bible. He's a character.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. So was he around Jesus this time? I mean, I guess he's been around all this.

Jack: No, he shows up later.

Cristina: Later.

Jack: Actual Hermes, according to actual narrative, shows up much later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's mentioned as a philosopher. He's not an important person.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And actually, I don't think he shows up in the canon books of the Bible.

Cristina: Okay, whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He shows up in other books.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That talk about the people around. But none of that is the point. The second thing is the most important thing here. Because the second thing, first thing gave us all the answers we needed for a million things we. We knew without proof. Now we know, like, yeah, they don't like each other. They can't. They're not the same person. This literally in words in the book that people are like, no, they are. No, the book told you they're not.

Cristina: Yeah, obviously.

Jack: Like, the book is literally telling you there's three guys here. That big guy, the new big guy, that big guy, the old big guy, and this guy who you're calling both of those guys, and he apparently doesn't agree with s***. Either of them do agree with anything they've ever done. Crazy. None of that matters. All of that, as dense and rich in information as that is matters next to the next sentence, because the next sentence is an oh, is everybody horrified? Situation.

Cristina: Is what?

Jack: Everybody's horrified.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're scared of Jesus. I know for a fact they're scared to Jesus.

Cristina: Who are they?

Jack: Everybody.

Cristina: Everybody.

Jack: Everybody. You were right. Everybody's hiding from Jesus. Everybody's. There's nobody not hiding from Jesus because there's a lot of people fighting to make a lot of different powers. You know what this guy went did when he went to h***? His second objective was rescue these other people. That was the second objective. He was just there. That was day two. I know I was exaggerating. I'm fully aware. He saved the first goal and did it in the first day, maybe in like two hours. He went down there, somehow found Yaldabaoth's f****** bowser castle or some s*** down there. I don't f****** know. And then he got to the guy's prison, not only just freed all these individuals, the main quest was to Acquire Adam and Eve who were in h***, AKA the shadow realm that Yaldabao somehow acquired. What?

Cristina: But don't they.

Jack: In the Bible it literally says Jesus went to h*** to save Adam and Eve and the righteous from the Old Testament. He instantaneously acquired them too. And then was like I'm here.

Cristina: How does that make sense? Everything. He has Adam and Eve.

Jack: He has Adam and Eve.

Cristina: But we thought those other people had.

Jack: What the Alicians had Adam and Eve.

Cristina: I guess they had.

Jack: They had. Now let me reiterate that Jesus easily found Yaldabaoth's prison, freed a bunch of people and acquired Adam and Eve wherever Yaldabaoth hid them. Meaning we know Yaldabaoth had his own stone as well. The Bible tells us about Adam and Eve because the Bible only knows knows about Adam and Eve. But Jesus was there. Why would he only take Adam and Eve?

Cristina: That's how they put it.

Jack: That's how they put it.

Cristina: They don't know anything else.

Jack: We know he has a lot more. We know he has a lot more and not really a lot more, but it's powerful and it's arguably the first one.

Cristina: How. How. How did it end up. How did they end up there?

Jack: How did they end up there? So presumably because just with this we have a lot of story given to us at some point. Yaldabaoth actually got it from the Elysians and we have not uncovered that story. There must have been a battle or an invasion or something. And Yaldabaoth acquired the. The philosopher stones that the Alicians had. Adam and Eve are both in or were in possession of Yaldabaoth. Somehow he got them. I have no idea how. We've not seen a crumb of this story until right now.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean they probably. He didn't probably have to fight them if he made them to make that in the first place. Right.

Jack: Like his might be stronger than he is. So how do you just take it from them?

Cristina: Maybe it was a pact between him and the first guy. I forgot his name.

Jack: Loi.

Cristina: Loi. There you go. Like come on.

Jack: No, he dipped on them.

Cristina: That's what they. That's the only thing we know. We don't know if there was some.

Jack: Then you'd be adding complete uncon. Like things. We have nothing to back.

Cristina: We don't have no epic battle happening either. Over.

Jack: Well, those are all these. I'm just spitballing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These are all theories. Yes, but it was sounding like you were. No, this is definitely the case. But no, if it's a Theory perfectly fine. Because who knows? Who knows what the possibility is? It's. The problem is that there is no ability to tell. Again, we have. We don't see a battle. I don't know where that is. And if it is, and we'll stumble upon it in the future. We haven't. Yeah, we don't know. We didn't see him, like, going off anybody. We don't know that they handed it to him. We just. All we get is Jesus stealing it from him suddenly. Like, what? Not even from them? From him.

Cristina: From him.

Jack: It's like, whoa, I didn't even know he had it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I thought he ran away. He's just chilling with it.

Cristina: He's just chilling with it. How's that possible?

Jack: Or he did leave, and you can't leave with it because it's part of the program. If you're leaving the program, how would.

Cristina: You take it out? Yeah, I guess you wouldn't take it with you. It's. It's just to help him get out. So. Yeah, it may have been easier for him to steal them. But then why didn't the other.

Jack: Why didn't anybody else know? He had to be there, bro. Or he could detect it in a way they can't.

Cristina: Or whoever is protecting it should still, like. Even though he left, it was probably still so protected that no one else tried.

Jack: And then Jesus effortlessly just cruised in there in like 15 minutes after dying and just got it.

Cristina: Yeah, well, there's something else happening with him. We don't know.

Jack: Yeah, no, there's a lot going on. But tell me this isn't like a bomb drop. This is crazy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** did we just, within one story, find out that this moved two hands?

Cristina: This makes a lot of sense, I guess.

Jack: It makes so much sense to a lot of things. Like the Naoa Shinto game. Makes absolute sense. Assuming you couldn't get there for whatever reason you orchestrated, planned and executed your entire death to get there, steal that s*** and come back.

Cristina: But how did he know?

Jack: Well, he was talking a bunch of blasphemous s***. Just walk around. If there is no if. Everything is censorship. You just go outside and start screaming anti government s***. Then they killed him.

Cristina: No, I mean how did he know where it was?

Jack: Oh, I have no idea.

Cristina: That huge thing.

Jack: That's a f****** problem. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How did he just know? He must have known so long before beginning the plan.

Cristina: Yeah, actually think he does whatever thing that affected us. Us. Not us, but everyone. When you know, he was. You think he control it he like kind of like. What's his name? The wizard.

Jack: What wizard?

Cristina: From what I know from crap. I can't. Author King Arthur.

Jack: Merlin.

Cristina: Yes. He had that special power of being able to time. To mess with time or something. No, write his history.

Jack: He slows down time.

Cristina: He slows down time. I thought he like. I thought he like affected Arthur's future or something. Didn't he have to write the story and then the story would happen or something?

Jack: No. He made Arthur easy to manipulate and then fed society a story that would eventually reach his ears. Which is all that the lady of the lady took advantage of and twisted the story even more in her favor.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Well anyway, because maybe Jesus can dream about that stuff though he can see into things that we wouldn't understand. Like Santa Claus seeing who's good or who's been good or whatever.

Jack: That is fascinating point. That is a really, really, really, really good observation, Santa. You don't have to call him Santa. St. Nicholas.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: St. Nicholas does have an ability to either stop time and live from his perspective years and years and years and see everybody within, to us feels like no time has passed. Or he actively has an ability to see all things simultaneously. Which presumably is a little necromancy trick.

Cristina: Yes, yes. But then that makes Jesus a necromancer.

Jack: He would be born as a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah, he wouldn't even need a teacher. Why?

Jack: Because necromance, you're not. It's not a race, it's. It's a discipline.

Cristina: Yes. And also they could. They don't need to die. They all. No, wait, they do die. They die.

Jack: And if he was a necromancer, he wouldn't need to. He wouldn't need anything to get into the shadow realm. His skills could get him there. He's not a necromancer. That's the only. All these things are pointing at. He's not a necromancer. So we have some other problem. He actually most likely knew Hermes and is still not a f****** necromancer and is still the next thing over. A necromancer.

Cristina: He's so similar. It's something.

Jack: We got three necromancers and one Jesus. There are less Jesus, whatever the h*** he is.

Cristina: How's he not a necromancer? I feel like everything makes him seem like one.

Jack: Him needing to die to enter the shadow realm immediately violates that.

Cristina: But they all needed to die to start living forever, I guess. They had human lives, they became necromancers. They died. Or some other like we don't know the steps.

Jack: Fair, fair, fair, fair. Maybe it was a two birds with one stone situation. Maybe I can easily get into the shadow realm, but I haven't achieved my immortality yet. So when I die because they crucify me, two birds, one stone. I'll be where I'm going anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'll finally achieve the last step of this metamorphosis.

Cristina: I think that sounds right. That could definitely be a necromancer.

Jack: It could have been the last step towards becoming a necromancer for sure. Because we follow the stories after he returns. And now we're talking about some trippy as balls s*** dude showing up in furnaces and just hanging out with guys. People seeing his face in the clouds, him just rolling up in impossible locations. You're on a boat, he just walked out of nowhere.

Cristina: Stories from when he was alive.

Jack: No, people saw visions of him forever.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Yeah, most of the stories are quoted. Yes. Oh, but there's a bunch of stories of him being seen afterwards that's so crazy. Which could fall in line with being a necromancer. So he's a necromancer on top of whatever the h*** he was to begin with. He's abusing Elysian blood. Yes, while abusing human blood.

Cristina: Because he's also have humans now. Right.

Jack: Also, I think in this discussion we have come to the answer for why a Nephilim is illegal. And it's because a human is the only person who can become a necromancer.

Cristina: And because he's part human.

Jack: Oh, yes. His human part is the necromancer part. And Elysians cannot be a necromancer. None of their technology can so much as scratch the overpowered nature of a necromancer.

Cristina: He's. Oh my gosh, he's so overpowered. And it's because he's an ephem, but also necromancer.

Jack: Oh my gosh, He's a necromancer.

Cristina: Nephilim, he's everything they fear. If they fear things, this has to be the thing.

Jack: Weirdly enough, according to the Holy Bible, by definition at this point, he's the Antichrist. Right? He's all of the characteristics of all of the things, which is the beast.

Cristina: He is the.

Jack: He's literally the beast. The Bible both tells us the light bringer, Lucifer and the bearer of light, Jesus, are different people, but they give us the same f****** descriptor.

Cristina: Kidding me? I don't know. They're not very bright about it. Okay, I don't Know, they're not. They're not thinking about it. It's written by a million of different people. Like no one's connecting the dots or they're doing the really. I don't know. I wouldn't say. The best that they can.

Jack: It was a legitimate huge effort to make Jesus look right and make Lucifer look bad. And you have to. There's too much evidence of the events that you. None of the events you're claiming happened. We can prove all the events. You're like, put it. You gotta think of it differently. All of those events have a record. So they're like, no, don't look at it like that. Look at it our way. It's like. But your way is made up. I could just read what happened. I could just. Look, somebody recorded it. And what you say, nobody agrees on, but records agree with each other. And if we just take the Bible's context and then bounce it off of those very things, Jesus might must either be the bad guy or the devil.

Cristina: Okay, but if he's the Antichrist, that's really strange. The Christ is the Antichrist. What does that even mean?

Jack: There was never a Christ.

Cristina: There was never a Christ.

Jack: There's no such thing as an Antichrist. There is only Christ. The evil.

Cristina: Oh, nice.

Jack: The illusion. What do they say? The best trick the devil ever performed is convincing you he doesn't exist. We're talking. We're not talking about the Devil anymore. Is that quote of a wise man once told me, don't squander it. I'm wise man. Something like that. Stupid comment is the same idea here with Jesus.

Cristina: That is crazy. That's crazy.

Jack: The same way that Lucifer's greatest trick was convincing you he didn't exist according to the Bible. Also. Also what? A phrase made up to convince you that, well, you finding no proof of Lucifer is more proof of his existence.

Cristina: Just like God. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: And whatever you find about Jesus. No, Lucifer told you because the truth is in the book, regardless of what. So intentional. So intentional. No, everything is a lie. If somebody was there, they saw it for a sign, they recorded it. Lie. What's in the Bible is true. It's like. No, no, no. The Bible is people who wrote it right from the time, eyewitnesses. That's why it's true. Yeah, well, this guy was from the society that invented at that time, record keeping. And he says that didn't happen. So this guy who had no stake in it is lying, obviously. And that guy who has all the stake in it is totally telling the truth clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly Only makes sense.

Cristina: He's not profiting off of all of us lies. These lies. Oh, my gosh. Wow. Okay, so, okay, that's what he did in those three days.

Jack: That's what he did in three days. He went to h***, got Adam and Eve freed a bunch of Old Testament prisoners, showed up in Japan, continued his life.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: The Bible tells us this.

Cristina: I thought. But in the. The story, I guess. Doesn't it end with him going to heaven or. No, in. Yeah, they see him float up.

Jack: Oh, biblically speaking, yes. He sees everybody and then he ascend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, but that sounds like a lie. And records tell us otherwise.

Cristina: Okay, that is part of the story.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we can follow him until he dies of old age in India. So, like, come on, please. There's records out there of this guy and literally traceable lines. You could just follow every step he took. Because he traveled primarily through places where people kept records. It. It was invented and they were just keeping records. And he was there.

Cristina: And he's not dead de. Because he can live forever. Like, that was when he really decided to not be in the picture of anyone's lives dead.

Jack: Because he was Biblically, when he transcends.

Cristina: No, when he's that guy in India.

Jack: When he's that guy in India and he dies, that just means he left the program. Oh, that's what death would be, is leaving the program for these individuals. That seems to be especially if you're hanging out with individuals from Elfame who are from outside the program.

Cristina: Then did they end up getting Adam and Eve after that? Because, like, what happens to Adam and Eve after he leaves the program?

Jack: Well, theoretically, the same way, like Yaldabaoth, that we assume that if he did get out, he can still have access to it because he himself is a program. So there's no way he'd fully 100% remove himself. It's impossible. So it's possible he can still use it, but he doesn't directly connect with us. It's possible that now, after the transcendent moment from India, he actually closer embodies the God that people were picturing and wrong about the whole way there, where he kind of. Yeah, he could tamper with it. As some sort of super elite AI, he's likely just capable of manipulating everything from the outside.

Cristina: that's pretty cool. I guess. So he probably still has Adam and Eve.

Jack: I don't. I don't know. I don't know. What would be the use if you could control everything.

Cristina: I Don't know.

Jack: But maybe they were necessary to. Or maybe not. Maybe they're not necessary to escape. Maybe they were just a byproduct of experimentation and allows for immense power. You don't need to take them out while you're here. They're useful.

Cristina: So many questions. Like, why would he need them? That's a good question though too. Like, did he make something else too?

Jack: Did he make something else?

Cristina: Because everyone seemed to. That's exactly what they did. They didn't just take them. Like even what's her name?

Jack: Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith did something with them. Like no one doesn't do something with them.

Jack: Yeah. Now as you're talking about, sounds almost like you're describing the unicorn, the alicorn. Like everybody's drawn to it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And everybody has to use it when they get to it.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just like.

Jack: Like how could you not Literally couldn't control herself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She's drawn to it. Like. Oh no. Hypnotized by it.

Cristina: Yes. For science sakes.

Jack: For science sake.

Cristina: And if he's the same as them, driven with. From science. Maybe. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: Interesting theory. People use. Not even use. Being around the philosopher son is weirdly really. Really, really, really. When we were talking about adrenochrome, we were talking about. Oh yeah, its effects and behaviors feel similar to the effects and things that could be done with alicorn teas and whatnot. But we never thought about. Because we've only recently come across the philosopher's stone and really deep dived into that. But we really haven't unpacked the fact that the philosopher's stone is more identical to alicorn than pure adrenochrome. It's a solidified version of adrenochrome. Quite a lot of people involved in the making. Tragically, it has immense kind of infinite power. And before even using the power, people are addicted to it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Being in its presence the same way.

Cristina: They would with adrenochrome, except I guess for other necromancers. Like they didn't use their. They didn't use their stones. So it's possible Jesus didn't use his stones.

Jack: How do you know they didn't use their stones?

Cristina: You think Santa made some things?

Jack: He doesn't need to make things with it. That's just what we know. They were used for a function of them.

Cristina: It just seems like that's what they all try to do. I don't know. Maybe they don't all try to make life.

Jack: Yalda used it to Kill fairies?

Cristina: Yes. Wasn't he also making. What's that thing, that creature, the. The snake creature thing?

Jack: Naga.

Cristina: Naga. He wasn't using the stone for that.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He made an artificial Naga osteomorphous himself.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so he was not.

Jack: Yeah, the philosopher's stone were only used for murder in his case. Until he apparently got a hold of Adam and Eve, which I don't know when the h*** that happened.

Cristina: And what he did with that.

Jack: Yeah, we have no idea what he did with that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But at least we know it happened and now we know what to be looking for, you know?

Cristina: Yes, he only. He didn't use it to make life. So Jesus probably didn't need it to make life.

Jack: Many other things you could do with it. Infinite power. Do whatever you want. Everybody likes to play God, so they make life. Yes, but infinite power, way more you can do.

Cristina: I'm just not creative enough. I don't know. What's the other possibilities besides birth and death? It looks like we've seen like what is Sansa or St. Nick doing with his stone?

Jack: And how many stones are there, man? We have Yaldas, we have Adam and Eve and the theoretical third stone of flesh that was probably used in the making of Jesus.

Cristina: I don't know if every necromancer has.

Jack: A stone and if every necromance. Yo, now. Oh my God, it gets dark because we gotta think like. Okay, all right, so definitely. Based on the information we have. Definitely, definitely. St. Nick's staff and St. Patrick's necklace or and Merlin's necklace are in fact philosopher stones, right? Totally. Okay. This guy who gives children gifts has a philosopher's stone. To clarify, the amount of death just casually on this guy is absurd. If you have a philosopher's stone, that's the oh, f*** part of it. Like, oh yeah, Santa, St. Nick. Oh, he's so generous. Oh, but not if you're mean. It's like, no, don't worry, he's. If he wanted to deal with you, it would be effortless because simply of how apathetic he has to be to it.

Cristina: It's part of the becoming a necromancer, I guess. Because I think you have. You have to become one to be able to make one. Anyway.

Jack: Oh yeah, you're right.

Cristina: So I think it's part of that journey of becoming.

Jack: To becoming a philosopher. Maybe the initiation is make a philosopher's stone.

Cristina: Yes. What did he kill for that? I don't know.

Jack: If the initiation is make a philosopher.

Cristina: My guess is he killed things in the shadow realm, but who knows? Only because we don't know anything about him and death. But we know he hangs out with fairies. Or not fairies, elves.

Jack: Dude, who the f*** is Hermes Trismeguess.

Cristina: Really, really, really supposed to tell me?

Jack: No, like, I don't know, man, there's something weird. I don't know what, there's something off about what you just told me and it made something click in my head and it's like, nah man, there's something weird here. Because this guy. Yeah, it kind of. When you really look at it, it's even in parts. You gotta find your teacher to get the rest of it. So yeah, part of the process is you start and he will teach you how to finish so that he can witness the finish of the product and say, now you're necromancer.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: Okay, great, bro. There's a process that means there must be. Holy s***. There must be global events we can track that would fit every single stone. Realistically, things that would seem like extinction. Size level events. We're talking about overpowered f****** stones. True extinction of entire millions of people in single blinks.

Cristina: See.

Jack: So yeah, it's absurd.

Cristina: That is. It has to be happening, right? It had to happen.

Jack: It has to be trackable. That's.

Cristina: It has to.

Jack: Whether it happened. If it did, it has to be trackable.

Cristina: Would his be the first story is Jesus is the first. I don't understand though. Who is first in this?

Jack: I have a f****** theory.

Cristina: What's the theory?

Jack: A pretty strong theory too. I would argue that one stone was made when a meteor f****** hit the planet.

Cristina: Hermes probably stumbled upon it or one of them, I guess.

Jack: No, I would argue the story of the meteor is bullshit and other things happened.

Cristina: Oh, you don't think the.

Jack: Okay, I would argue that there is a crater somewhere and that we call it a meteor impact. That's what I will say happened. Yeah, there's definitely a hole somewhere where something big and maybe a lot of people could fit. Yeah, I think that was just a stone. Yeah, because I think the flood was another one. I think the Bible tells us how.

Cristina: Adam and Eve were made.

Jack: No. Yes, but who cares where all the which how many stones there are. The Bible tells us literally how many stones there are based on world altering events.

Cristina: We don't think those were one of those world altering events were Adam and Eve.

Jack: They were the product of a world altering event. Yeah, but there is the alleged meteor. There is the flood. There was literally an instance when people were told cover your door with f****** blood. Or I'm coming for your firstborn. And then he did.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, he did. That's a beautiful story. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Obviously there's nothing else that could be.

Cristina: That is creating a stone. Yeah.

Jack: That is creating a stone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All in one night. Huh? Huh?

Cristina: The whole city that got destroyed.

Jack: Oh, my God. Both cities. Sodom and Gomorrah. Oh, my God. Dude. Dude, that's the Red Eyed Village, isn't it?

Cristina: Red Eyed Village.

Jack: Yeah, dude, they're Alabastians.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: Dude, we really. Oh, dude. Oh. Context matters. So hard. Should just be once we know how to look for it.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: Everywhere now. Holy crap. Dude. Dude, those two places were like, done done. They were just wiped in that night through millions of people in the Bible. Blatantly, like. Yeah, them.

Cristina: Yes. So how many stones?

Jack: Oh, no, we're looking just based on the Bible alone and things outside of the Bible which are like three or four that we can put into frame. We're looking at like 30 stones.

Cristina: That's too many stones.

Jack: But there's a lot of weak stones.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: But there's also like colossal f******. Like whatever happened that night with the firstborn, that wasn't a big overpowered stone. Whatever the f*** happened in Sodom and Gomorrah, that's a f****** crazy stone. But those stones don't f****** with the flood. Do you see? We got. There's some tear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of like whack. And we know this because the stone of Adam is whack next to the stone of Eve. We know this. We know this for a fact. There's grades. And we assume that the third undefined stone of flesh is probably magnitudes greater.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Than Eve.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So there's more refined ways to make them better with less trouble. And there is more life that can go into them, which seems to work consistently. The further back in time we go. The further back in time we go, the more people who have to die because the process gets better and less life in order to make it equally strong. Like technology. Again, better.

Cristina: Yes. So how. Yeah.

Jack: To the point where we know elites now do everything in their power just to scare people. Are they making stones when they're desperate? They topple a tower. They topple a tower directly over a completely planned network of trains and subways, all of which could easily be used to extract anything you would need to from collapsing, let's say the World Trade Center.

Cristina: Okay. So.

Jack: So we can still see potential stones being made.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if the process improves and any life loss that Day could potentially make something overpowered the way you would have needed millions in the past if the process hundreds of thousands of years refined. That's interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. So that means there are. There are there.

Jack: Without the Bible, there must be an absurd amount.

Cristina: But that's so crazy because there's not that many. Necromancer. That's so weird. That's the rarest then.

Jack: Yeah. Then the problem is then there aren't many stones.

Cristina: We.

Jack: There are many necromancers. Not really. There's. Maybe.

Cristina: I'm guessing the newer stones don't. Aren't.

Jack: They're fake.

Cristina: Yeah, they're like.

Jack: We actually know about this. If we look at a good example that uses the concept of philosopher stones. Full metal alchemist.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's real stones and there's fake stones.

Cristina: There's. Wait. Yeah, there's fake stones everywhere. People just using fake stones. Yeah.

Jack: And the fake stones probably still have the side effects of adrenochrome.

Cristina: And there were still being people, I think being killed to make those fake stones. Just not the amount of people you need, which would be a city's worth of people.

Jack: So in any case, the tiers aren't on quality. The tears are. Because you need a massive event. You can't really improve how you do it. There's only one way to do it. Yeah, but there's like five guys who can and they already have theirs.

Cristina: What does Santa do? I mean, like, I don't understand this man that everyone loves, I guess. But then I guess they love Jesus too. And obviously, yeah, there's something horribly wrong there.

Jack: There's something awful going on there.

Cristina: So is there something.

Jack: Also St Patrick super loved as well also apparently.

Cristina: But we know he was involved with mad murder. I knew he went to island to murder.

Jack: Yeah, he just offed all the shadow people and all of the elf kiss.

Cristina: Them is not a question.

Jack: Yeah, neither is Santa's. To be real, dude. The whole earth overnight. You got an op. F****** stone, bro.

Cristina: But how did he like, at least we can figure how he made it. What lives he took to make it.

Jack: Oh, you're seeing St. Patrick use this? He made the stone in Ireland.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Death.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. This already doesn't make sense. Because they went to him for help.

Cristina: To get rid of.

Jack: Yes. Meaning he already could. He didn't go there and figure it out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He had was the last resort. Meaning they know. Oh no. He could f****** do it. The Elysians themselves are like, we can't handle this. He could f****** do it. There were fairies there and they were like, that place. Send St. Patrick. He's got it.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. If it wasn't that he went there under orders.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If he just wandered, then did a bunch of crazy. Oh, my God, I got a stone. That's different. But they were like, go in and solve it for us, please.

Cristina: So he had to have had the stone. Where did it come from?

Jack: Where did it come from?

Cristina: He.

Jack: He did not struggle, bro. And he immediately just turned Jehovah into his. Effortlessly. In the Bible, like, come on.

Cristina: That must not have been the first island. He did that, too.

Jack: He must have a reputation for this, because they were like, he can do it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even if it's not on record. They knew, and the records say he knew.

Cristina: Yeah. But they didn't want to show that he just. What?

Jack: Wasn't relevant. It wasn't relevant to the story of what he was doing. Yeah, but they knew he knew, and he definitely knew he could. So How? How? What the f***?

Cristina: But still, it's not a question because, like, he killed mad. He killed mad people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You know, he's a killer on record.

Jack: Mad murder. Jesus on record. Mad murder.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Santa is an interesting one because he is very, very sneaky.

Cristina: Who's he murdering?

Jack: Yet he still has a stone and arguably one more. Overpowered in the same pattern.

Cristina: He does mad murder, too. And we just don't know about it because he's so secretive. Like, if he were killing off one person here and there every time he's delivering.

Jack: How would you know a stone like that? You can't. You need the sum.

Cristina: That's all these.

Jack: I'm telling you, these must be events of old.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they don't need anymore. They can live forever. I think. I think that's really the case. I think these are just situations where we probably have actual events we can point at. And if we can look at it hard enough, maybe we can connect the vents to the people.

Cristina: Okay. Because. Yeah. Like, I don't know if anything happened around his time, but it has to. Something has had to happen.

Jack: The issue you're facing here is assuming that the time in which his narratives are told are, quote, his time, unquote.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's when he was okay being known.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Because he was probably around before that.

Jack: To be a necromancer. Chances are you did a lot of being unknown.

Cristina: Yes. All right. Okay.

Jack: Same goes for Patrick. Where he starts is Kind of hard handed, bro. You just, you just roll up and you're like, God, suck my d***, b****. And he's like, okay, all these people.

Cristina: Have stories before we got to meet them.

Jack: They got history with these individuals. They know them on a firsthand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In a way that we don't. And they were date to the point that these individuals were embarrassed about writing it themselves.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something going on. Whoa.

Jack: So definitely necromancers over everything else as of now and then Jesus over necromancer. Super mega, ultra Elysian necromancer with every stone. Or at least the great original stones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: He's kind of Adam and Eve. That's crazy.

Jack: And the stone of dark and potentially the stone of flesh, if Yalda had that too, which we don't know. We actually have no idea if that's even real. That's a theoretical stone. But we know Adam and Eve. That's on text and no. Well that's a f****** lie. It's on text from other people way down the line them. And that moment isn't on text. It's passed down stories that are on text. And the stone of shadow is on text. That all that we have. We don't know about the third earth stone, but like the existence of Jesus in the process that led to everything else suggests this was necessary. So like, so there must be a fourth stone. Yeah, that might be the only stone that these people still have. No, they needed all three stones to make them. Dude, after the creation of Jesus, something happened. And maybe we're, we're thinking they're avoiding the place because of the visions of Jesus and maybe that has something to do with it. But now that we know somehow Yalda got a hold of the stones, something happened in that same time.

Cristina: Okay, okay, here's another idea. Okay, we're saying he went to Shadaram because they're using the words h*** to describe the place, but we have no idea because that's Jesus telling them where he went. What if Jesus did actually go home?

Jack: Go home where?

Cristina: He went to.

Jack: Iran?

Cristina: No, where the sea people hang out, where they keep the stone. Maybe that's where he got the stones.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. And what was the point of them running away if he could so easily do that?

Cristina: Well, he took forever to get there. Like, I don't know.

Jack: No, that's not checking out. That, that doesn't hold. Something must have happened at that moment. And again, based on your logic, this does not make sense. He went to the Shadow Realm to quiet based. I guess that's. I don't even know if he said that. It's the narrative as he went to h***. I don't know if he told anybody he went to h***. Yeah, but he went to h***, got Adam and Eve and whatnot. This situation would suggest that Yalda got to the Alicians first. So even if Jesus didn't go to H***, he went and retrieved nothing. He would have needed to go to h*** to get Adam and Eve, because.

Cristina: We know that he took Adam and Eve.

Jack: The Bible tells us they went to h***.

Cristina: No, but why do we think. How did what's his name, Yadabel, take the stones?

Jack: We don't know that that's what we would have to look for. But the fact of the matter is, what we found is that Jesus went there and got Adam and Eve. Keep in mind the stories of the Bible are to be taken as true, but warped. So he went down there to free these good people and you. They were sent there unjustly. In reality, he went down there to free a bunch of, I guess, war criminals and steal some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now your suggestion would be that he went all the way to Elfame, not to Alfame, to Elysium. Yeah, but if he went to Elysium and he gets Adam and Eve, who the f*** are these criminals?

Cristina: Nephilims.

Jack: No, because what the f*** is Nephilim? How are you trapping a Nephilim in the shadow realm?

Cristina: In the shadow realm? No, if he went to.

Jack: Oh, he went.

Cristina: Wait, wait, why would they have.

Jack: Yeah, okay, so they. The. The Elysian. Yeah, you're totally right. So they're in Elysium and the Elysians.

Cristina: Then have Nephilim imprisoned because they plan to murder them. Because isn't that what they do?

Jack: No. No, they don't. I don't know why you think they do. They. It's illegal to make them.

Cristina: It's illegal. But don't they go hunting for them or just the people? Because they imprison someone that was important, that was making Nephilims. But they don't care about them.

Jack: He wasn't going around making a bunch of Nephilims. He broke a law.

Cristina: Which was making Nephilims.

Jack: Yeah, but also. Maybe if he shot somebody, he'd also still go to jail.

Cristina: But how do we know that Nephilims don't go to jail? I don't know.

Jack: For what? For being born, I guess. Racism could happen. Yes, I guess if it did happen.

Cristina: He wouldn't be there to save them.

Jack: Sure but also, they're Nephilim. How exactly are they being held?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: They got both sides required to s*** on an elation. How exactly is like, then Jesus would not be a problem. By the time he arrives, you can just get a bunch of Nephilim together and just prison them. Jesus isn't a problem to you. It doesn't matter how strong he rolls up. You could just stop Nephilim, bro.

Cristina: But he's not the same.

Jack: No, it doesn't matter. Let's reiterate how f****** overpowered. Nephilim by default, is just being this hybrid f****** thing that could use all the tech and has access to all bangles and people, and they're favored by the people of Elfame. There's no way that you caught these people and Jesus is the guy who then frees them. There's no way. If you caught them, Jesus shows up, you're like, finally, I've been waiting for you. We set this trap for you. Now we got you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the only way that would play out. You caught a bunch. Enough. Get the out of here.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: No, that wouldn't work out. That's nuts. But I'm concerned about whatever the Hermes is. Manny's definitely. That's crazy. Like, what the h*** did he. How did he come up with this? But Yalda did it first. I was thinking about this, like, earlier, maybe halfway through this episode when we were talking. I'm like. I didn't voice it, but I was thinking, like, is Hermes. Yalda's, like, human form. He's just trying to. Just disappears. And then this dude apparently helps Loi come up with a stone. That. Bro. Come on. There's something. I bet Hermes knows Yalda somehow. I bet that's how he learned.

Cristina: He learned it through.

Jack: Maybe not through Yalda, but he not taught, but learned from Yalda. Okay, maybe spying on him. Maybe Yalda got notes or something. I don't know.

Cristina: Well, notes is possible. No. No, it's not. I feel like there's a story where they might not. No, they don't trust writing or something.

Jack: Oh, s***. Yeah.

Cristina: I remember that Jesus invented writing so that they would.

Jack: So that they wouldn't rely on the technology. That way they could pass information secretly.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty crazy and interesting.

Jack: Which is funny, because it suggests that paper is the future technology, not the electronics. Right. Because it was a way to do better than the electronics.

Cristina: Yeah, the electronics is spying on us. Why depend on it?

Jack: Obviously, until people are spying on you and you're like, can't get away. So the base, weirdly enough. Weirdly enough, based on this, these texts and s***, they were just dealing with an a****** government who is spying on their cell phones.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They just had Facebook. That's what's happening. And he was like, f*** Facebook. I'm gonna just notebook it. Cuz Facebook is in my phone and it's looking at everything. And I just keep getting ads on Amazon about some s*** I talked about. And like, I don't want that. So I'm gonna just send Mike a piece of paper instead and then I'll stop getting these f****** Amazon ads. That's Jesus summed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's like, f*** these ads writing. Yeah, it's a world of getting spammed by ads. It seems to have happened even back then. I mean, let's be real. Mary got pregnant with Jesus. The Elysians literally moved away to avoid Jesus ads. Yeah, they literally moved. They left the continent to get away from Jesus ads. Because you're getting them without ever subscribing to s***. Yes, Just ads for free here. F****** ads. You didn't even get anything new. There's no service, just ads. It's your life as it was before the ads. Plus f****** ads. Which I swear is gonna happen at some point. Everybody's gonna need neuralink to walk into a store.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because it's not gonna open the doors for you because you're not a customer without a neural link. And then after everybody has neural link, you can't get away from the f****** ads. They're just gonna market s*** to you all day.

Cristina: You're gonna lose our mind. Yeah.

Jack: You're gonna be walking down the street and just an ad's gonna show up in front of your face and you're gonna want to get rid of it. But how?

Cristina: You gotta pay like an extra 15 bucks a month or whatever to just.

Jack: Have a normal f****** life. Anyways, that is where we are, guys.

Cristina: Happy Easter.

Jack: Yeah. Happy.

Cristina: Even though it's like late, but whatever.

Jack: So. Yeah, a week late. I mean, after a** so crazy.

Cristina: Well, after you listen to this. Save this episode for next year.

Jack: Yeah. And listen to it on Easter day. So you can keep in mind that Jesus not only went to h***, but he didn't like what Jehovah had done beforehand. And that if you go a couple of chapters before that, you'll find out that New Testament Jehovah is also on a pretty fu. With Jesus basis. So you can find a lot of people don't like Jesus in the Bible. You do. You love Jesus and you believe Jesus is great. But then the people who you also love, who aren't Jesus, think Jesus sucks. So. And Jesus also went to h*** and he told you to pretend to drink blood and he told you to pretend to eat flesh and he came back to life, technically making him either a vampire vampire or a zombie. And the blood fascination leans heavily towards vampire and the clarity of mind as well. So you're worshiping some sort of a demon.

Cristina: See.

Jack: Anyways, this has been Rambling Podcast. You guys can contact us, send us some messages to talk about this on our socials. That's that just convo pot on Tick Tock, Instagram, Facebook and more and other stuff. Yeah.

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Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Jesus is the devil.

Jack: Sam.

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March 30, 2024

Rambling 268: Hermes

March 30, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is Hermes Trismegistus? Is he somehow connected to the figures we have uncovered? Is he our Master Necromancer? The duo unpack what is known and what is hidden about Hermes and his secret teaching. What’s uncovered and what it implies once again alters everything we thought we knew!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Hermetica
Secret Teachings
Aristotle
Three Prophets
Hermetically Sealed
The Magnum Opus

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Oh, my God. So baffling.

Cristina: Are they really that baffling?

Jack: They're always baffled, aren't they? Aren't you baffled? Haven't you been baffled every time? Haven't I managed to baffle you about the misconceptions, about the kind of. The level of ignorance we have on 100% of all the information all of the time?

Cristina: Yes, it's pretty baffling. Yeah, pretty baffling.

Jack: It's pretty baffling. So next time when we were talking about a school, talking about a school, we were really, as usual, investigating some other part of this infinite Rubik's Cube. And in the school where Aristotle, by the way, Aristotle was teaching at a school that was allegedly inspired by Apollo, who happened to be a Greek God, but happened to be in the notes as an individual who just happened to be in the school along with Jehovah as well, which is very interesting. And it gave us Jehovah's last name, which is overpowered. Now we know Loi is either last name or a title. And all of that happened. And within those same notes written by Aristotle in the library of Aristotle, they are kept in Lycium, the school, there is a mention of Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: What a name.

Jack: It means thrice great.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes. And that mention in Aristotle's notes does not describe him like a mythical individual, but rather the same way it does with Apollo and Jehovah. It describes Hermes Trismegistus like not the deity Hermes Trismegistus, but the individual Hermes Trismegistus. There is a legendary figure that's based on a God named Hermes and a g******** hoth. And there is also an individual of this name who has none of the characteristics of either one of those two that share all the characteristics with the first Hermes Trismegistus, but the share none of the characteristics with the second Hermes Trismegistus, which is the legendary. No, not legendary.

Cristina: Very confusing. What?

Jack: Yeah, there's like four guys with the same exact name.

Cristina: Did you talk about this last time? No, no.

Jack: You got questions, I got answers.

Cristina: Okay. Okay, like, okay, what?

Jack: Yeah, the level of unpacking you want is up to you. I got way into this.

Cristina: Ok, okay. So there is a God that he's based on or something.

Jack: There's a God named Hermes and there's a guy named Toth.

Cristina: Are they really. They're related.

Jack: There's a man. No, they're not the God named Toth, the Egyptian God, by the way, the Egyptian God named Toth is literally a member which. You remember this from last episode. Was literally a member of the Greek gods. I mean the Greek gods. The Egyptian gods. And Hermes is one of the Greek gods.

Cristina: How do they relate?

Jack: There are two legendary figures named Hermes, Rhys, Megisthus. There's a real guy. And all of these fake characteristics applied to the other guy. It seems that there was an actual guy.

Cristina: Does Toth have to do with anything?

Jack: Both the characteristics of Toth and Hermes are the same. Become Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He is a combination of both these individuals.

Cristina: Okay. Is he like their child or he's some other thing?

Jack: Or there is a fictional character, okay. That people took from Hermes, the real Trismegistus man, okay. And built a mythical version of him. Stories that became so different than the real man that it became a different man of his own. A man nobody ever saw. A man nobody ever shares his name. Yes. Identical almost to Toth and Hermes, the God. It's a combination of both of those. Seems to be hers. Hermes Charisma guesses.

Cristina: Okay, so with the school, are we talking about this made up version or this God version or both?

Jack: That's up to you to decide as we go through it.

Cristina: Okay, what, what, what's the difference? What was the God about? Was he also about the rules of the universe or whatever?

Jack: Yeah, he's just one of the many gods of creation. But not really, no. Within the context of the information given, he was just one of the Greek gods.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So as far as we. And we went through him before when we were just going through the Greek gods and the research they were doing as a research, he was just background eyes. He was a helping hand. He wasn't an important God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the characteristics of Toth blend. Thrown in a blender with Hermes equal the last name. Trust me guesses. And now you got a new person. But it turns out that that legendary fake made a person was actually a real person too. So there are two individuals with this name, the fake character and the real person. And the real person was also very impressive. The problem is that neither one of these two people share characteristics. There are two legendary individuals, one of which has nothing but fake characteristics that never happened. Because it's made of two real individuals that actually existed.

Cristina: It's very confusing.

Jack: And then one guy who actually has things he did in the real world.

Cristina: And Socrates is writing about the fictional one or the other one.

Jack: That's for you to decide. It sounds like he's writing about a real one by all of our discussion. So I don't know why you're asking. And obviously we would be talking about the real one we established before. But you can decide who we're talking about based on the context of what we're talking about.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yep, that's where we. That's where we are. We got this Hermes guy that we know is lurking in the school. According to Aristotle's notes, he mentioned three people again, Apollo, Jehovah. Yes, and Hermes.

Cristina: And Hermes was just a teacher.

Jack: What we know of him, we don't know if he was just a teacher. We know he was a teacher. I don't know if he was just a teacher. I know he was a teacher.

Cristina: Is there more on him?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: You want all of it listed? I could just list it off.

Cristina: I don't know what's important to. If he's the guy we're looking for.

Jack: Well, that's the investigation we're doing. The point is to find that out. I can't tell you if he is a guy we're looking for. No, like if I knew I would just start there and be investigate from that point. Well, he's the guy we're looking for. This is why. But that's not the case for hopefully trying to figure out if he's the guy we're looking for. So that's for us to Conclude. But. Hermitras McGussj. Right. The questions we're coming in with are essentially who is he?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he somehow related to our greater narrative other than being this guy who seems to fit the suit? But we've come across coincidences before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And ultimately is he our necromancer? Is the question they're going in with. Right. So immediate things that matter. The first and most important mention of the name happens to be exactly on paper, by the way. Happens to be also in the Hellenistic period when we were looking at Alexander the Great, which puts us where we wanted to be to begin with. There's holes in this explanation which I'll get to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And to catch up again, he's also the author of the Hermetica.

Cristina: Those are hermetic principles.

Jack: The hermetic principles and the philosophies and narratives surrounding it. Now, several important figures within both Islam and Christianity have described him As a wise pagan.

Cristina: What? Okay, yes.

Jack: These are people of the past and people of the present have both described them as a wise pagan. I found that very interesting. And some descriptions included prophet. So.

Cristina: So weird, because the Hermetic principle doesn't feel very like he's talking about a God or like he's saying many gods have made us. Unless I missed it.

Jack: Well, the Hermetica includes a bunch of texts about religio philosophy, but it seems to lean into that religion is ultimately philosophy. Because his teachings, which I have listed right over here. Let's see if I can. So his teachings, right. They included the fact that he believed in a singular universal philosophy that would thread through all of the religions and sciences of the world, essentially proving them to be all correct and one simultaneously.

Cristina: Doesn't sound very pagan unless I have no idea what pagan is.

Jack: Well, yes, because he believes in every.

Cristina: God, but also they're all the same one God.

Jack: Yes. So these are in the. Keep in mind, I didn't say he describes themselves this way.

Cristina: Okay. I said yes. Okay.

Jack: Yes. Leaders within Islam and Christianity call them this. And we know Christianity at this time is also. Well, not Christianity this time, but Christianity in the early stages. And most of the sects of Christianity now are just a manipulation of the true narrative of what happened. They're gonna slander whatever the truth was no matter what. So we already can't believe what they say?

Cristina: Yes. Oh, that makes sense. They have to claim he is okay. And also, they probably don't understand what he's talking about.

Jack: They probably do.

Cristina: Well, then why would they be against it?

Jack: Because they are against him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, interesting enough, other than this Aristotle mention, which he describes him as wandering the halls and waiting for either an elite or a special group of students that he would teach either some secret or private information to see. He's either. He either has elite students that he teaches some profound knowledge to where he's molesting Hella students, in which case this dates back to that time where his special students got the best treatment, which, like, I wouldn't be shocked if that's what's happening happening here. Because we'd also not come up with age limits yet. It was just probably a bunch of miners. Who knows at this point, but minus that possibility, it looks like he was teaching people who could learn and that they were elite, not minor.

Cristina: Okay, Disturbing. Okay.

Jack: I mean, it's the pattern at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Especially because we're talking about leaders of leaders. And it seems like the people always doing this is leaders of leaders.

Cristina: So he could be one.

Jack: Like, if he fits the suit 100%. And like, if we. If we turn enough stones, that's always there, along with adrenochrome. It's like I'm already milking them for blood. Might as well f*** them. Like, I think that's the ultimate idea. That's why we always find both, since they're already here.

Cristina: I don't. I don't know. Maybe it's like I already have them.

Jack: In a cage and I'm milking him for blood. Like, how far can I go? Like, whatever. Oh, I got further than just raping them. Imma just rape them too.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, you know, that's ultimately the thought crossing their minds. Like we do all this other dark whatever. Yeah, they're jaded. They don't care.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: Okay, now again, he was discussed roaming the freaking holes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You're a real person. The real version of you. There's records of this man. Many living life, doing things.

Cristina: He lives in the school?

Jack: No, he was just wandering the school and waiting for students. And then he goes and teaches the students and who the knows where. And they learn what the knows who.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But weirdly enough, he's quite connected to the Greek gods, because other than just Apollo, he also mentions Ashlepius. Aristotle mentions Asleepius, which you don't remember him directly, but you probably remember the name. No, you don't remember Sleepiest, because the sleepiest is the one who becomes Glycon, a snake. The Naga.

Cristina: The Naga. Yeah. Okay. He met Sleepius.

Jack: Well, I actually. Original. So this is a weird one, because in the text where we find Asclepius, we have texts about Aristotle as written from the perspective of Hermes, where he also talks about Asclepius. So the argument here is the same as Aristotle writing about Jehovah speaking with Apollo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is Hermes writing about Aristotle talking with Asclepius.

Cristina: Philosophers back then were weird.

Jack: And they were like.

Cristina: They all did that. Like, all of them.

Jack: All of them. And this is funny because this, like, it would feel way more made up and if it wasn't for the fact that like when we even talk about Plato and Socrates is like this. Just talking about that.

Cristina: Exactly. It's like. Yeah, the same when we were. I don't. I don't get it. It's the. It is weird.

Jack: Yeah, it's just. They're just talking about each other. That's it. They're just gossiping and reviewing. Yeah, that's it. That's the whole thing. Whoa. The revelations we came up with because of gossip.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly how it works.

Jack: He's stupid because he thinks this and I think that that's pretty much it. Yeah, Sums it up. That was the whole wall. Revelations were all so amazing. The renaissance is happening. But that's basically kind of sleepiest.

Cristina: Sleepyish.

Jack: Yeah. It was just be basically being mentioned within the text. There's no specific mention other than within a couple of conversations. Nothing was outstanding.

Cristina: It was just hanging out.

Jack: Yeah. Talking with students. He was seen in some interactions. It was just there.

Cristina: He's just there.

Jack: Nothing important. But he's present. That's just notable because it's another God being described again as an individual, which we also have on many others. And then we connect based on who in different texts they're said to be around. But now we have some of the people that. Because again we'll find like Zeus and there'll be literal text of a guy who fits every description of Zeus. But it's different when we have literally somebody saying the name and it's like, oh no, they were just a person. And it's like, oh, well, we knew, but we didn't have the proof. We just knew because all the data. So everything is a theory until somebody's like in a record. This guy is literally like, okay, one dude. Yeah, now that's different. Now it's a record that I can be like somebody was like straight out. That's. This is not a metaphor.

Cristina: Yeah. Did they mention sleepy is not becoming something else or something or it just.

Jack: No, it was just a mention of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We can extrapolate that the events were probably true too based on it matching all of the other narratives we have that kind of fit the, the total image together. But this just. I like to note these moments when somebody confirms what we were already believing. Because 99.99 is not proof, it's a theory. Until somebody's like, no, I was there and that was just a person. It's like, okay, then that's a hundred percent. We have a first hand account of like that's just dude, whatever. Then that's different. That grounds it and that proves the things. And this s***'s hard to find because a lot of these people just discussed as gods in most texts and they were just.

Cristina: Did Zeus ever visit the school?

Jack: Not as far as I know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in the Quran I found a mention of Hermes, but by Jehovah in which he says he is a man of truth. So that's getting. Now I still have no idea based on any of these. If Hermes is Elysian or human based on what? I'm thinking human based on what we know of the other potential necromancers.

Cristina: But we don't have proof either.

Jack: We don't have proof on any of that. But he's on Jehovah's good side. But also Mary might have been human.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Mary. And she was also on Jehovah's good side. So like there's not exclude. And like, so St. Patrick, there's not exclus. And Peter, like there's humans on his good side. It's not a rare, it's not impossible. Although rarity. Yeah, but he's a man of truth.

Cristina: That's what he said. He's a man.

Jack: That's the line from Jehovah.

Cristina: So then why do other people not like him? Why are they calling him pagan? If Jehovah's saying he's not, he's.

Jack: I think it's the branches of Christianity that aren't led by the Elysians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think it's Jesus, his branches of this.

Cristina: Very strange. But I guess because he wants himself to be the one on top no matter what.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Jehovah doesn't care.

Jack: I don't know. We actually have no clue.

Cristina: And why else would he want the other religions to be raised?

Jack: Well, no, eventually he dipped anyways, according to all this crap. So like I don't get any of.

Cristina: It, whoever's running his thing.

Jack: Yeah, I think it became the personal interest of other people. I think the lack of a leader is just leaders will come and thus cults will happen. But I don't think it's like his narrator. I think he dipped and let it all fall apart. But we also have no f****** clue. Again, these are just the stories that built on the pieces we put together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I find it interesting that Jehovah was on his side.

Cristina: That's awesome. It was interesting.

Jack: Now we're going to touch some important details because in reading I came across a word. I'm familiar with this word. I wasn't familiar with the words origin with the term. I suppose it's a term, not a word hermetically sealed. Except now saying it out loud within the context, it's like, duh. It's obviously related to what? Hermes, obviously.

Cristina: Oh, hermetic.

Jack: Yes, yes. It gets a little interesting now.

Cristina: Seal, seal. This. This is magic related. Well, this sounds very pagan. Okay, I changed my mind. He's a pagan.

Jack: It was happening. It was gonna be. It was gonna be. But as I read the following next sentences. Brace yourself. Because we've found things again that we weren't looking for, but that are answers to questions we had and some we didn't. So the term hermetically sealed originated literally because of this one. Hermes we're talking about who existed within the school of Lycium. It came specifically from taking residue left over from the magnum opus procedure, then placing it inside a glass and then sealed airtight by fusing the neck to the lid. This hermetically sealed container containment would then be heated for approximately 40 days to result in the philosopher's zone. The magnum opus is only the first steps of it. We thought that was the entire setup. Hermes actually knows the rest of it. Not only that. This predates.

Cristina: He's an alchemist.

Jack: He might have been made this s***.

Cristina: He. Oh, crap. What?

Jack: It's called hermetically sealed. Because he invented it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The last steps are literally named after him.

Cristina: Yeah. To create the stone.

Jack: The philosopher's stone. The reality bending philosopher's stone.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Hermetically sealed literally connects back to how he used to seal this vasel. That he would put the residue from performing the magnum opus. And that last few steps of putting it there, sealing it and superheating it.

Cristina: For he was murdering his students. Were they special in that way? Like they were gonna be sacrificed?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because where's the residue coming from? Dead bodies?

Jack: We don't even know of him performing it. We just know that that's where that procedure comes from.

Cristina: He has to have though.

Jack: I know he performs it. Obviously it's named after him. But he's teaching these people.

Cristina: There's no way he just does the final step to it. That's weird.

Jack: Obviously he doesn't. I'm assuming. Keep in mind what we're talking about. Keep in mind what we're talking about. We still don't know what the rules are other than knowing how to use tech, a certain kind of philosophy and knowing Latin. Right. Basic requirements. But what do these culminate to make? Does he need you to find out all the other steps of the Magnum opus and somehow they lead you back to him and then he can teach you the rest of it. And only people who have gone on this road can piece all of those things together. I don't know.

Cristina: But he's making a philosophy stone.

Jack: He seems to be the guy who literally designed the method because it's called hermetically sealed. Unless there's an older method that doesn't have the seal. At least as far as we know. A part of the process is literally named after him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So predating the process, having your name in it is pretty far back.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: As far until further proven. I'm claiming he's the guy who made it because he also fits every other suit we need him to fit. And this would just be like easier than saying some other guy you have.

Cristina: To sacrifice people for that.

Jack: Yes. I'm sure he's not sacrificing his students. That's stupid. He would be finding other people to sacrifice. Especially if he's working for the Elysians.

Cristina: And the Greek gods. They can just probably make things for him to sacrifice.

Jack: Yeah. And there's probably different degrees if there's a lot of experiments happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Also the thing I didn't mention last week, don't they. They have a couple. Yeah, the thing I didn't mention last week, the lycium is literally in descriptions. The one of the known descriptions. Didn't find anything on it. I looked to see if I could come across anything. But one of its literal descriptions is that it was also used to hold occult rituals. So putting this into that perspective now, there was definitely philosopher's stone creation happening in there that they were interpreting as cult rituals when in reality it was science. But if it's a suit of you just sacrifice a person or some probably kind of culty looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it's secretive. You guys are doing some. That kind of looks like magic. But really you're doing some traceable steps in science.

Cristina: Yes. That's weird. What? They're sacrificing Nagas. Fake Nagas. They have a bunch. They're just making them those prototypes that are trash. Like he could just get rid of them.

Jack: Why would he have a Naga?

Cristina: No, when the gods. When they made a bunch and they're like these are all defected anyway.

Jack: Right. But he's not one of them. Why would he have access to any of that?

Cristina: Because they visit the school.

Jack: The Naga?

Cristina: No, the Greek gods.

Jack: The Greek gods don't visit the school.

Cristina: Oh no, not the Greek.

Jack: Other than just Apollo, which is the.

Cristina: One that's working with these Nagas, making them.

Jack: Zeus.

Cristina: Zeus. That's one.

Jack: No, this is not a Keto is.

Cristina: Zeus is not the one that's making other ones like the. The main Medusas.

Jack: Yeah, that's keto. That's Zeus's mega.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he's never visited the school?

Jack: No. As far as I know, no. The only individuals of note are the ones I've mentioned which are Apollo, it is Aristotle. Hermes, Just these individuals. Essentially. Yes, there were Alexander the Great and these individuals. But they were within the tiers. There's also tears in the school and within the tears that we're looking for. Alexander and his friends simply connected us to Aristotle. Yeah, they're surface level students. Their parents are rich type of s***. As opposed to. You really know. The deep knowledge. They don't know the deep knowledge.

Cristina: They were just in the right rituals and Etc.

Jack: Yeah, like the deep, deep s*** unrelated to them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's what I believe was really just the making of the philosopher's own.

Cristina: But how are they making it?

Jack: By sacrificing people. They would bring obviously would be. Why they described it as a second as ritual. Cult rituals.

Cristina: Obviously just people.

Jack: What else would they be sacrificing? In every instance it's people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Other than the crappy experiments we've known locally that are included butterflies and other.

Cristina: That is very.

Jack: Okay, we know of attempts to extract it from other. But like no, he was. They were more likely than not just bringing people to perform it, I guess.

Cristina: But I feel like the school would have a pretty bad reputation.

Jack: Why? If it's a secret, like how would they have a bad reputation? It's a secret. That is the point.

Cristina: No one would mention. Like that's a. That seems like a hard.

Jack: You're either learning it or dying.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, it has to fall into that category. Like this secret society. Some people can keep secrets. And that's also probably also why there's not a bunch of them. And I'm sure anybody who's tried to talk has been offed immediately.

Cristina: I guess that could happen. The Socrates never mentioned any of that though.

Jack: No, you mean Aristotle.

Cristina: Aristotle, yeah, Aristotle.

Jack: No, but again the fact that he has. So it's basically you perform the magnum opus and then you hermetically seal it. Those are two different sets of steps. Hermetically sealing is three steps and the magnum opus is four, seven steps total to creating a philosopher's stone. We thought the magnum opus was the entire process. Yeah, but it was the first half. The first part at least.

Cristina: So you keep it sealed and then what?

Jack: You heat it.

Cristina: You heat it.

Jack: You put it in there with some chemicals, some gases. In the script, it's not explained what they are. Some gases, some material. You seal it and then you heat it for 40 days. I was trying to find out what to put in there. There was too many different things. None of it. It was. And it was a coherent. It ranged too widely for you for it even to matter.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like. Okay. There must be some way to zone in on this. At least I know those steps exist, but I couldn't figure out what it could possibly be. What it could possibly be. I know you perform the entire magnum opus and then you take that and you hermetically seal it, and it goes through those two processes, and then you have a philosopher zone.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So now we have the completion. As far as we know. Unless the third part shows up.

Cristina: There could be a third part or.

Jack: A first part that we didn't know about.

Cristina: Oh, that's possible too. We have no idea.

Jack: Yeah. So as far as we know, the magnum opus is being hermetically sealed. And that is you hermetically sealed. The magnum opus and thus philosopher's own crazy.

Cristina: They were making a philosopher stone.

Jack: Yep. So this is a weird. The philosopher's stone seems to be about as rare and secretive. We were trying to compare and see how many of those we have. So the philosopher's stone seems to be about as secretive of an item as the people necromancers are.

Cristina: Yeah. Since it seems like.

Jack: We'Ve got Adam and Eve. Those are two philosopher stones. For a fact.

Cristina: Yeah. And whatever. No Christ, no Santa Claus is carrying with them.

Jack: Yes. Well, that brings us into an entirely different point to talk about, because in our attempt to answer whether or not this individual is a necromancer and he is out here working with now literally coming across text linking him, hermetically skilled is literally tied to the magnum opus. It is the last steps.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you know how to make philosopher's stones and necromancy tied together again, because out of the individuals we know, and I've got this right here, which are St Nicholas, St Patrick and Merlin. All three depictions at one time or another featured red gem. What we discussed this we talked about. I don't remember all three of them. Nicholas has a staff with a red gem inside it.

Cristina: That was a necklace.

Jack: Patrick has a necklace.

Cristina: Patrick has a necklace.

Jack: Patrick has a necklace with a red gem inside it. And so does Merlin. Also has a red gem in his necklace. All three.

Cristina: What about Jesus?

Jack: We don't know about Jesus, but there is. Fair enough. No, you're totally right. Jesus also has an image which I do remember us talking about. That's not in my notes because I forgot about that and I didn't look at it. But I do remember specifically that he does have an image with also a necklace that seems to be more popular than the staff, unless the staff just allows it to be larger. And hence he's op. Because of that. Because the one in the staff, assuming the glow is to scale. The one in the staff is bright, bro.

Cristina: You sure it's not a necklace? He has a staff.

Jack: He has a staff. He has a staff with a red gem in it. And then Patrick. I looked at the notes. I looked at it and Patrick has a necklace and so does Merlin.

Cristina: And maybe Jesus.

Jack: Jesus also. I don't remember Jesus. I didn't go and check. But yes, I remember he has a necklace as well because I remember the specific image with the thing around his head.

Cristina: Okay. And Hermes has the necklace.

Jack: Well, Hermes is literally making them. I'm just talking about that. They're all connected to it. They're all connected to a red gem.

Cristina: But he doesn't. We don't have any stories of him wearing it or descriptions of him having something like it.

Jack: No, but he would need it. Why he can make it. These people have it because they didn't make it. It. He has it. He wouldn't have it. He's handing out the ability.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As far as we know, he wouldn't need it. Also, if we had descriptions of him, this would be way easier than it is right now. The fact that we don't is part of why finding him is a problem.

Cristina: Because it's all secretive.

Jack: Yeah. If I had like a clean consistent. This person said this. This person said that. These are literally the same words. We would. No, I just need two individuals who line up. That's it. We know who he is by default.

Cristina: But we don't even know that much about him.

Jack: We know that much about him. It becomes quite a problem quite quickly. But I'm about to tell you why it becomes even more of a problem.

Cristina: Why? Okay.

Jack: Because this is where the point will happen.

Cristina: The point.

Jack: The point. So as far as we know, based on the information we have discussed, he seems to actually be the guy we're looking for. Although we don't have. Again, it's too hidden. But he fits the suit. He's messing with philosopher's stones. In fact, making it. He literally. There's a part of the process named after him that's crazy. So he might have made the process. There's nothing more necromancer than having designed what necromancers use. I think that's okay.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's teaching people this private knowledge that is already the ridiculous. Yeah. Super secretive to get there. And we know the steps to even be acknowledged or considered are super difficult to. And incredibly secretive. So kind of a lot of lining up lines. But what were you gonna say, like.

Cristina: How many people are actually learning this? Or, like, just being a part of the class doesn't mean you actually get it?

Jack: I think that's the case here. I think it's. People will be eliminated gradually as they figure it out and figure out who fits and who can do it.

Cristina: Okay. Because it's super rare that someone actually succeeds. I'm guessing thinking so.

Jack: Because we don't know about a lot of cases. We're talking spread out and few.

Cristina: Yeah, three.

Jack: We got three, maybe four. And with this guy, maybe five.

Cristina: That's crazy. Yes.

Jack: We might have more stones than these guys. Yeah. We have to Adam any stones. Yeah. Because let's think about it. We have Adam, Eve, whatever Yaldabaoth was using. We have whatever Santa has. We have whatever Patrick has. We have whatever Jesus has.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Then we have the one that Merlin has. We're up to seven with that.

Cristina: Well, Merlin's not carrying the stone with him.

Jack: As far as we know, Merlin wears the necklace.

Cristina: Oh, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. The bell has a stone.

Jack: Yes. That's how he got the fairies.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Okay. Ow. Okay, that's seven.

Jack: Yeah. We have. We've. We're finding stones now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've unlocked the next level. We're finding stones, but somehow we still have less necromancers. We're up to three potential assurances, plus two huge maybes, which is the other maybe Jesus and Hermes. Although Hermes might not be a maybe. He might be the top of this. And then I see four plus one.

Cristina: Maybe Jesus may or may not. I mean, he is created from the stone, but he also probably has a stone.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, but if he doesn't have the stone, he still probably has the powers of the stone without having the stone, because he was made from the stone.

Jack: We don't know if these people are even can. We don't even know if they have a stone. We just know a red gem is in their possession. The one in St. Nicholas art is glowing. That's probably definitely it. In the other cases, it's just red gems. I don't know if bigger size means crazier illumination. And because it's in a necklace, we don't see it shine. So crazy. The only staff is the shiny one. But if it were to scale, then those could also be stones, and that would put us relative to scale. Like, we. We understand where they rank based on their stones, in which case we could literally just play a photo game and put them together and see who overpowers who.

Cristina: You're saying Santa overpowers everyone.

Jack: I think he. If the size of the stone matters, then he is on a whole other level.

Cristina: How did he even get such a big stone? Is he related to the school somehow? Was there a Nicholas student?

Jack: I don't know. But. But where? This gets even more complicated than talking about her medically sealed and finding out that he potentially designed the entire thing is when we talk about the three prophets. Because now something recently familiar is gonna make a little more sense. And now I'm starting to think it might be just cultural. So let's look at the following couple of steps. The three prophets are Enoch, Noah, and the Egyptian priest king. Why do these three individuals matter so f****** much right now? I don't know.

Cristina: They're from Egypt. I don't know.

Jack: All three of them went by the name Hermes Trismegistus.

Cristina: No, I didn't slap one. That makes no sense.

Jack: I found text with all of them going by that in their respective times.

Cristina: Why? Why? What does this name mean?

Jack: Well, like I said recently, new but this is a callback because as we also know, Loi turned out to be very similar.

Cristina: It's just some type of title.

Jack: It's just some type of a title. And now we're talking about somebody else. And I in looking through it, find they're not just of two people, but several people with the same name. Literally the same name. Because although I cannot confirm to you if Nicholas and Patrick are directly, I think, I think maybe either they also go by or went by Hermes Trismegastus, allowing it to be a lengthy name that transcends time. Or they aren't necromancers because Hermes Trismegistus might be a title for necromancers.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. What? But then is there like, how. How can they be related to his Hermes? What about them?

Jack: They're just labeled as Hermes in one text or another talking about them. So for example, if you look at Enoch, he's referred to as Idris, and Idris is then referred to as Hermes Trismegistus. They are the same guy. So you find Enoch through Christianity and then you find him in Islam where they literally one to one him to Idris. They're like, no, we just call him this over here. And then they change his name to Hermes Trismegistus as a title for what he does. And it's like, wait, so wait, hold the up. So you're just telling me that Enoch is Hermes? Trust me. Guess this, because you're literally saying that Idris you're literally just saying that Enoch translates to Idris, and the Idris is Hermes. So indirectly, I don't need him to say it in Christianity, because they said that they're prophets.

Cristina: But how does that relate to them being Hermes or Hermes?

Jack: Like, I don't know. They're just labeled as the three prophets, which are Enoch, Noah, and the Egyptian priest king.

Cristina: But they're not making stones or anything, or do they have stones?

Jack: I don't have any stories of them having made stones.

Cristina: And is there any stories of Hermes prophesizing?

Jack: There are many stories of Hermes prophesizing and getting it correct kind of often.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What?

Jack: Yes. But there are also many stories of Patrick doing that, and there are also many stories of Nicholas doing that. Weirdly enough, there are also many stories. Literally, the story is that Merlin did that. That is literally the Arthurian story that he literally prophesied. So in every instance, they prophesied and got it right. All of them.

Cristina: So you think those are. Then Hermes is a title, not an actual. Like, he's who they're talking about in these other stories.

Jack: Well. Well, here comes the need for an important metaphor that luckily. Thank you, cw, for making things popular at the right times. Oh, no, this was amc. No, thank you, cw. Thank you, amc, for making things popular at the right time. So that references make sense. With appropriate context, I would like to bring subject A. Negan.

Cristina: What?

Jack: A man who is, in fact Negan, but also a bunch of people who believe in his ideology and perform his bidding. Also go by Negan because it protects who Negan is to all go by Negan because then it obstructs who he is, where he is, what he's doing. If everybody just goes by Negan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This allows one incredibly important logic to be applied every. And by the way, I have to add the very next detail that it's very important because this is gonna send that home. This is the mic drop. I usually wait for a completed episode that is about in over an hour. But I'm dropping this and just done after I make my point, because I don't need a better point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hermes is not just a title people take, a name they take because everybody who fits the suit of Hermes, as we have gone through their images before, they all dress exactly the same. They all look exactly the same. Even within different religions. They usually. And follow my logic very, very directly here, within different religions, regardless of how the religion itself dresses. We're talking completely conservative, fully covered from the beginning of time religions and opposite religions that are okay with just being who you are in your flesh. All default to the same aesthetic for their leader, who happens to be long haired, bearded, in a robe, usually draped robes in a Roman style. Even if you're in f****** Islam, it doesn't matter where the h*** you wear. You dressed exactly the same and your leader looks exactly the same. If you remember literally the three individuals I used for Jesus for the image of us recently talking about Jesus when we were talking about his other titles, they all fit the same suit. Well, if you actually put all of Jesus's aliases next to St Nicholas and St Patrick and Merlin, you couldn't tell me who the f*** is who. Because every single one of them is indistinguishable in how they look in complete contrast to all the images of all the people drawn around them.

Cristina: What are you talking about?

Jack: All the art representing all of these individuals looks identical. Describing the individuals, even if. If we know within context they are not the same individual. While all the people around them looked completely differentiated from this one center person who always looked identical to each other. I believe that the ideology of taking her matris megistas. We will just use Negan for the sake of explaining this better. I believe they weren't just going by Negan. I believe they were opting into looking like Negan, talking like Negan, sounding like Negan, talking about Negan's philosophies, pretending the beaniegan to everybody they ever came.

Cristina: So we don't know who the real Negan is.

Jack: It would be so hard to zone in on who he is. Because the point was the philosophy.

Cristina: One guy.

Jack: There's one guy who began it. And the point is to obstruct who that is. The goal is to obstruct who that is. But the although good job in your mission, you created a bigger mission problem that helps us.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because we know what we're looking for. You gave us thousands of examples of it. That's where he f**** up. Yes, you gave us thousands of examples to comb through. But in giving us examples, you reduced us from having to look through a billion.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: Do you see the problem? So the logic for back then made sense because there weren't a lot of people. We're talking a fraction of the people. Hundreds of thousands. A couple of million people. Maybe a billion people at that time.

Cristina: All these people like Santa and whatever are like students of his who decided.

Jack: To really followers of the philosophy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And users of the ability. And presumably individuals who had to study underneath literally whoever the real Hermes Is. Yeah, but this is where we get the problem, right? Because we have the God Hermes, but that's just a person that happens to share the name. Because fake Hermes Trismegistus. The legend is just narratives of these two people overlaying over that guy's name. There's God Hermes, and then there's Hermes Termismegistus, the guy. And then there's the legendary figure Hermes Trimagestas, who has the name of the real guy and the characteristics of the two gods that spun out of control because the real guy was so impressive, but also a complete mystery. So you had to slap information on him because he has to exist in these shadows.

Cristina: Okay. So confusing. But the God version of him, it's not him.

Jack: It's unrelated to him, I hope, because this makes sense. He's not mentioned in any context. And the guy that is there is Apollo, not Hermes.

Cristina: Where's Hermes the God from?

Jack: He's part of the researchers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is background noise from that group. Not even impressive.

Cristina: Okay. There's no way he could be the same guy. I don't know.

Jack: Nah. Is this a name? These are just people and they're allowed to have names. And sometimes names are.

Cristina: Because he has the whole name or just his first name?

Jack: No, he says first name.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. Thought he was also calling himself Hermes.

Jack: No, he just has the first name, Trismeguessis. The only people sharing that entire name are Enoch, Noah, the Egyptian priest king. Whoever was going by it at that moment in Alexander the Great's life next to Aristotle. And people we don't know are using the name, but might be because they fit the visual descriptions. The locations and the abilities would be St. Patrick and St. Nicholas, but they.

Cristina: Were not calling themselves Hermes, as far as we know.

Jack: But they fit the look. Which means if you were trying to disappear, you would go by one name, and if you're trying to be visible, you'd go by the other, which fits. Every time they're going by Hermes, we just think we're hearing about Hermes. Who knows how many of those times we were just talking about one of them doing something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because there's no way to know when who is what. Because they all go by Hermes and they all can do the same things.

Cristina: That's complicated.

Jack: And they can show up through different time. They can all bend time so they can all pop up at different points in time. There's no linearity to them.

Cristina: Can her memes mess with time? I mean, yes. The prophecies are.

Jack: Yes. And necromancers the prophecies line up with time bending. Yeah, yeah, that s***'s clean across. Like they're obviously seeing some as they're with time. And then they tell us about it.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: That just answers each other. That's why they're accurate about it. It's not. They got powers. They're using science. They figured out the problem of time travel. Yeah. It's all science. There's no abilities. There's no magic. All of this is written down. And they just follow the steps to get it done. That's all it is. It's all just science.

Cristina: And he. I don't know if we proved anything.

Jack: I don't know if we proved anything either. I just know that the guy who is. We know. Most likely. But here's the other problem. Right. Because Enoch predates the dude in that building by quite a while.

Cristina: How does that make it make sense?

Jack: So the guy. The first guy isn't the guy in that building.

Cristina: But how do we know?

Jack: Because. I don't know. Because also we know that at least the other two people are ageless.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So potentially it could have been the same guy the whole time.

Cristina: The same guy. I think so. That makes a lot of sense.

Jack: It makes a lot of sense. All. All jokes aside. Yeah.

Cristina: With the whole philosopher's stone thing, like. Yeah, yeah. He. He should have the ability to live forever. That's what he wants to do.

Jack: So you think it's just the same guy.

Cristina: I think.

Jack: And that it's not a bunch of people using his name.

Cristina: No, I think it's the same guy.

Jack: I think it's the same guy who has just been doing this one individual. And we. It is. That guy is here.

Cristina: Yeah. That's like before he decides to teach people what he's learned of becoming a. What's. What is he again?

Jack: What do you mean? Before he decides when.

Cristina: Before he decides to become a necromancer or not a necromancer. Before he decides to teach necromancer is before being just the prophet. Being known as a prophet. Before the school, he was just a dude.

Jack: He was just a dude. Fair enough. But these other individuals are known as prophets and they go by that name. That's the other problem. They literally go by that name.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where the issue begins. So you bare minimum, have people going by his name if they're not him. Even if they're not him. Or. Or is the same guy. And instead what we're talking about isn't these guys going by Hermes. We're talking Hermes Goes by these names.

Cristina: Just like Jesus.

Jack: Just like Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. I think that makes a lot of sense. I think that makes a lot of sense.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. It could totally be.

Cristina: I mean, there's no proof, but.

Jack: There's no proof. But then the question is, should we be re evaluating the name Eloi and consider that there is in fact an individual named Eloi and many different names that individual went by, and thus. Yes, Yahweh and Elohim. And all these individuals are the same guy.

Cristina: I don't know about that. Unless we find out he's a necromancer.

Jack: Yeah, it could just 100 be a title in their case. And because necromancy seems to be the only way to have this ability, and being from the shadow realm, I suppose there doesn't seem to be consistency there.

Cristina: Yeah, but we don't know who the first person to make the Philosopher's stone, do we?

Jack: Galdabaoth seems to be as far as.

Cristina: We trapped back, but. So then it's possible that. What's the name of the guy you were just talking about?

Jack: Hermes?

Cristina: No, not Hermes. The God person, Jehovah. No, the one with the name Eloi. Eloi, yeah, See, the first one.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Maybe he got the Philosopher's Stone from the other guy. The Shadow realm guy.

Jack: No, because that guy disappeared.

Cristina: But before he disappeared, he had the stone. He knows this person. He thought he was. Interesting.

Jack: No, we literally can trace the steps he took to make it. We know how he made the Philosopher's Stones. Who went through that step by step.

Cristina: And he wasn't there.

Jack: No, he did it with Citizen after Yalda had already disappeared. Okay, he did it by going to the forest.

Cristina: He did do it.

Jack: He did do it. But he didn't do it with Yalda Bow.

Cristina: No, but he got a stone.

Jack: He made a stone somehow with the use of a bunch of primitive creatures, primitive apes.

Cristina: And so he can still. He could have a stone.

Jack: Those are the two stones of Adam and Eve?

Cristina: Yeah. No, I mean like one personal stone, like all the other ones.

Jack: Those would be the stones of Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Oh, I don't think. I don't know. Because these other guys don't have it. Seems like Adam and Eve are being used for certain things. They're not just on you 247 to keep you alive forever.

Jack: Why aren't both true?

Cristina: I don't know. Just doesn't seem like it.

Jack: Why can't both be the case?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why can't it just be on you all the time for science.

Cristina: Because then how did. What's her. That girl wouldn't have been able to do what she did.

Jack: Yeah. And think about what happened when she did it sounds more like what you touch something that doesn't belong to you.

Cristina: But if it was on him, like how did she do that?

Jack: You think these guys slept with it on them type of s***?

Cristina: Yes. I feel like it's something you don't like. The unicorn thing. It's supposed to protect you. It's supposed to keep you alive forever. I mean, I know that one didn't because it's kind of a bad luck.

Jack: Well, no. Situation. Let's think about it. Let's think about it. Weirdly enough. And like, I don't like to give credit to Harry Potter in any manner, shape or form because that s***'s whack. But let's talk about how. How deep the research that she never discussed is because we f****** uncovered. Hella crap to just find out that this one dude who had the stone, everything turned the s*** around him and he actually managed to live through all of it until they actually managed to remove it from his grip and then he dies.

Cristina: You mean the horn?

Jack: I mean the horn. Yeah. My bad.

Cristina: Yeah, the horn.

Jack: The horn.

Cristina: Everyone around him who had a piece of the horn end up dying.

Jack: So like they are actually fine while they have a piece of it. It's kind of like if you came in contact with it, don't ever let it go.

Cristina: Hey. Or then you immediately die. So I feel like.

Jack: Well, listen to what I'm saying before you continue your point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This lady who wrote Harry Potter also found this because the point of Voldemort is that he's always at the verge of death, but never actually dying until he stops taking it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is on point with quite hard to find information. So bravo. To the level of homework she had to do for the stupid background noise. For a random explanation to some other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What are you gonna say?

Cristina: I don't know. But yes, it's. That's on point.

Jack: Yes, for sure. For sure. So your stance on this is ultimately that this is an individual with one name which fits and he goes by many different names. Jesus.

Cristina: Does it possibly. See?

Jack: And he is successfully. Because as far as we know, Nicholas and Patrick both have achieved some version of immortality. And Merlin was killed by a weapon designed to kill specifically whatever the h*** he was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So immortality out the window. I think you could still be offed by somebody. I think you just don't die of old age. When we Talk about immortality. I think that's what we mean.

Cristina: Yes, but fairy weapon can definitely soak out anything.

Jack: Well, that fairy weapon isn't what killed Merlin. The fairy weapon is what the fairy tricked.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, he traded him. Okay, he traded him with some other.

Jack: Thing she twisted that story and outsmarted the h*** out of. But you made somebody too gullible. The point was he could be controlled.

Cristina: Yeah. So you think he killed him with a normal weapon or.

Jack: No, he killed him with the weapon the fairy made. The fairy gave him a special weapon that could off, apparently a necromancer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So bare minimum, at least fairies know how to do that and they can just look at the programming and figure it out.

Cristina: Okay, interesting.

Jack: So, yeah, this is where we are, I'm assuming. Yes. Hermes, whatever the case might be, whether it's the problem is the guy in that building feels like the right guy. Yes, that's the problem. And if he is, then you're what's the problem 3,000 years after Enoch, who is also a guy going by that very same name, him. So one of two answers would happen. One, there is an actual teacher predating Enoch and there's a line of people teaching.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Or. And like the teacher's name is all but like the master. I'm master this. Well, Hermes Trismegistus is equivalent to master. Yes, Thrice great. That's not a name, bro, but it's a title for sure.

Cristina: Yeah. So he's not the first.

Jack: Or he literally is the same guy who taught. I mean, not even taught. The one guy is the same guy and maybe that would make him the master. That makes him the master. He is Enoch. He is Noah. He is the Egyptian priest king. He is Hermes Trismegistus. They are all Hermes, just witnesses.

Cristina: Is it.

Jack: Is it possible in these instances? Keep in mind, I'll give you two bits of information that are probably important. I suppose that is the most popular considered order of those things. And I am not the first person to conclude this one little piece. I am the first person to attach all the other s*** to it. But it is again, it was quite easy because it's well known that Enoch, Noah and the Egyptian priest king all went by that name. Within these texts, as philosophers impact them, they believe they were all just variations of the same person stories being told at different moments. Okay, yeah, but it might literally have just been the same guy. As opposed to a narrative that just took name and different. No, it might literally be the same guy. Because we can follow literally the steps that Jesus took doing the same.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: I could trace every country he went to, the name he assumed there. They described them down to the T as the same guy. The timeline up, the location lined up in the trip he was going. And it fits what this guy's doing.

Cristina: So, yeah, I think.

Jack: Which is going by aliases and setting up little systems that you can enter in and out.

Cristina: But they just think it's all based on.

Jack: They think these are fiction. They think these are fictional characters based on a guy. Well, it can be, but we know that this guy was a real guy. And even now we know that the Hermes Trismegistus is agreed upon was a real guy. And that there's a conflation between a real dude and a fake dude. Dude that's just established.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that the fake dude is most likely a connection of these other two. My argument would be that the fake dude is actually also the real dude and that all of these people are the one guy.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So they're like, oh, he's like this God and that God and this. Because he could on both of those gods. And there's just people trying to rationalize. Dude just like, well, those guys are way op. And these guys are way op. The Egyptian gods. And here. What is it? The sun gods and the Greek gods. Oh, both of them are op. So he's like, if use two of them all. That's how overpowered he is.

Cristina: It was pretty overpowerful, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. He's still like, nah, I can on all of it. There's just them trying to rationalize. Hence this connection between them creating the mythical individual that supersedes the individual with the actual abilities, which is still. Because he could on the fictional one.

Cristina: Well, he could.

Jack: All the abilities of a necromancer seem to be way more overpowered than anything else.

Cristina: One thing we haven't really talked about is how would he like, if he's the necromancer, he has to do something with fairies and shadow.

Jack: He just has to be able to cross easily. But something to figure out a different time because we are way out of time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay, so just run another time. But we're at least so close. I believe this is the guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if all those names are the same dude, then we found him.

Cristina: If we can see if we can revisit those stories and see if the shadow realm or fairies are somehow involved in the stories, even just like a little bit. I don't know, because I feel like you have to have that knowledge to be teaching.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So maybe there is some story there.

Jack: What, of him? I doubt we would have his knowledge.

Cristina: No, not him, but these other versions of him. His.

Jack: He wouldn't have to record these things anymore because he is the teacher. He already knows it.

Cristina: I'm saying, like the stories of Enoch or Moses.

Jack: Interesting. So, yeah, I see what you mean. So the people we do know, the different aliases is going by before he's. Because these are in fact stories. You're trying to see what these events connect to that fit. Well, how do you know he's not a teacher at that point?

Cristina: Point. Well, we will.

Jack: Enoch is literally a teacher.

Cristina: Oh, okay. He's a teacher too.

Jack: Is literally a teacher.

Cristina: Oh. Oh.

Jack: But regardless of the point, your point stands because it's not that this is before him being a teacher. It's these are stories of names he went by. Which means within those stories, within depth and within context, we could uncover the right things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we go in assuming this is actually him, how do we prove it? With this information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then that s*** just starts to make sense. A quick mention of. Oh, and I went to the dark place where the other things were. And it's like brawl.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Like something. Or even if it relates to somehow. Not necromancy, but.

Jack: Oh, yes, the philosopher.

Cristina: Very interesting.

Jack: Although literally being named after the philosopher's stone is kind of the home run here. I don't know what else we would need.

Cristina: But, like, if there's anything but these, we know their steps. And what if there's missing steps? And what if they lead us to those steps?

Jack: There's missing steps. What if we learn how to make a. D***, that's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I feel like we're just piecing. Like, we thought once that step was the step, and that was.

Jack: There were four steps, and we're like, this is it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now we found three more steps that connect to the end. We're like. And it makes so much sense that those steps are there.

Cristina: So there's probably more.

Jack: There could be more. Anyways. Anyways, anybody who's listening to this, if you have additional information, please hit us up with it and tell us all that stuff. Communicate it with us. Hit us up on our socials at just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on. What else is there on Tick Tock. Tick Tock. Where all the place. YouTube. We're getting pulled there all the time because we're crazy. Crazy.

Cristina: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

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Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

March 23, 2024

Rambling 267: The Master Necromancer

March 23, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the Master Necromancer? Where does he teach? Who has he taught? The duo investigate the case of the Master Necromancer who must have predated the events of Christ. The investigation leads our duo to stunning new revelations about old names and important information about new ones.

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And last week, you asked one very important question. I'm not even, like, building an intro here. I'm just straight jumping into the question you asked. And then. Because this is weird, bro. So last week, while we were going through essentially, St. Patrick and realizing that necromancers are a little overpowered, you asked a single question that really became a pressing idea because, like, yeah, really, really. We know that there are at least three necromancers, which means we have mentions of this thing somehow even more elusive than the Elysians.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And one thing we found out, kind of looking around was that in order to become a necromancer, there are rules for somebody to teach you, therefore, there must be a teacher. There must be. There's a guy handing out necromancer.

Cristina: So you weren't sure about that, but you are sure about it, or you're still not sure about it?

Jack: Well, that's what we're trying to find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're trying to find out what I'm sure about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I have information I'm sure of, that much.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're gonna unpack because it's a weird road and we. We maybe don't even have the time.

Cristina: It's that weird.

Jack: I mean, look, there's a lot of discussing to happen, so first we gotta go and try to hunt down mentions of necromancy, because necromancy seems to pop up weirdly apart. We're talking that, like, King Arthur and Merlin are happening so far in the future from when we think St. Nick and so. And St. Nick is happening, I guess, roughly, weirdly enough, around the same time as St. Patrick, which are happening way sooner. Year. Hundreds of years ahead of Merlin. But we think Jesus might have also been.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which, weirdly enough, he's hundreds of years before. So we. We know it's weird. It's like, there must be an original teacher. So we have to go as far back as possible. And when we get to Jesus, we're like, what's the other necromancer bro before him? Yeah, what's the necromancer before him? We have no instance. It begins at Jesus, as far as we know. Right. Oh, we have no individual that fits the characteristics and that we've by default Ended up defining as a necromancer. So now we have to try to find mentions of necromancy that are not.

Cristina: The people that we know.

Jack: That are not the people that we know. Maybe mentions casually that don't point at a necromancer necessarily, but rather just discuss necromancy. I'm like, where in history has this.

Cristina: Word come up necromancy though, what exactly is it?

Jack: As defined in common knowledge, abilities are included.

Cristina: Like a priest isn't a necromancer?

Jack: No. So okay, a necromancer according to common knowledge, like information that people have on average is an individual that connects with the dead. Individual that connects with the dead. They have the ability to raise the dead.

Cristina: They have not a medium they bring people to.

Jack: They can come. Yeah, they can communicate with the dead as well. They have medium like abilities as well. Okay, so they're all of these things. They're like the most overpowered version of that. Now digging deeper, what we've come to conclude is that a necromancer is an individual that can somehow traverse all three planes and has abilities relative to the science of every plane as necessary to simply learn the teachings of this. So you must have been, weirdly enough curious ahead of time and dove in into one. Have access to somehow getting information on all three of these, which doesn't make.

Cristina: Sense that they're human.

Jack: Like how it's the only requirement, right? It seems to be only humans can do it.

Cristina: Yes, but how, how is it possible they got any of this knowledge?

Jack: Well, that's the case, right? That would make you the exceptional human. That would make you the exceptional human because outside of humans they, this knowledge is common. You would be among the exceptional humans to have this knowledge of these godlike individuals.

Cristina: What? But like one of these things had to have. But then I guess that's the teacher thing. No, it's before a teacher is involved that this person would have this knowledge.

Jack: Before? Yeah, before the teacher is involved. You must already have been so curious that you somehow you, you must have had the curiosity that then led you to dig up information and led you to actually be so good at that the end. You'd need to be open minded on top of everything in order to break the barriers of the illusions built around you. So you need all those features in order to just qualify to be a student. On top of knowing Latin and other and knowing like all these super complicated to know ridiculous. Okay, problematic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like how the knowing Latin thing zeros us in an area. Obviously the teacher must know that language that's obvious the point, right? The teacher knows a language, and so you must know the teacher's language in order for him to teach you. Simple. Okay, Basic. We're back in the same area. We always hang out now. Simple. We. We immediately. We ld it. We're like, oh, it seems that he must be in Japan because of this. No, not this.

Cristina: Right now.

Jack: And we use the trick he uses, like, okay, we're just gonna put it in random places, and he's gonna reply to 1. And when he replies, he must be there by default.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, duh.

Jack: That here. The reply here is, what? Where. Where are you from? What tells us where you're from? Well, your language tells us where you're from.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: We just zeroed in on him instantaneously. Oh, research.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. That was very Death Note. Like, okay. Yes.

Jack: It wasn't even Death Note. Like, it was super. Yes. But, like, now I realize how simple that trick was in Death Note. It was very. It was clever. It was done in an epic fashion.

Cristina: Yes, but it wasn't that.

Jack: But it wasn't deep. It wasn't deep. They delivered it well, which isn't in reality, I suppose. Delivery matters more than the content, Right? That's the reality of the matter. You can talk. Somebody absolute dog. If it's delivered well. That's. I guess that's the argument in video games, right? If the. The game could look like the game could do it. Fallout 3 is a broken mess. And nobody's like, this game is bad. If you could sell dog. If the delivery is. Well, it's. It's truth. The what? Is it the goat game or the goose game? Both of those broken messes. They're popular because they're broken, I guess.

Cristina: But the goose game's not broken.

Jack: I think the goose game's broken. The goat game broke. But that's famous because of that. Oh, it's a broken f****** mess. But it's not famous because it's a broken mess, but rather because delivery is on point. It's fun. It's delivering on the thing that matters. Meanwhile, these epic bombasts, the games that suck. You didn't stick the delivery, bro.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Which was the fun part. Whoa. Graphics. Where's the game, though, anyways? Back to thousands of years ago. We know Latino man in Japan. Oh, yeah. Because we were l for a second, too. Oh, wow. That took a couple of weird turns.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, so we're in our general region. Latin. We're talking Southern Europe, you know, Southeast Europe. We're talking the Middle East. Ish. We got an area.

Cristina: All right, we got an area.

Jack: We got an area. Now all the texts in that area, all the mentions of necromancy possible, all of the. Anything that you can possibly come across, and we go back so far that we end up predating. Jesus, that's good. That's good. We're predating.

Cristina: What? Latin? Is that old? Yeah, language.

Jack: I mean, I suppose. Okay, this takes us into the hellenistic period, specifically July 21, 356 BC.

Cristina: Okay, what's the Hellenistic period?

Jack: A period. Okay, That's a. The Hellenistic period is the name of a period in Greece that was in 4th century BC or some.

Cristina: Okay, what's happening?

Jack: So Pella, Macedonia, Pelamecon.

Cristina: What is that a name?

Jack: I guess so.

Cristina: A place.

Jack: I don't know how to pronounce a lot of this stuff. I'm gonna say that ahead of time. This is gonna. Language is gonna break down through a lot of this. Okay, I know.

Cristina: At least say if this is a person or a place.

Jack: This is a place.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in this place, Alexander the Great is born.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. All right.

Jack: Simple things to note about Alexander the Great that are notable things about Alexander the Great. He was a student of Aristotle until he was age 16. He became the king of Greece in 336 BC at age 20, in 335 BC, he began a 10 year military campaign and he conquered West Asia, Central Asia, parts of South Asia. He conquered Egypt.

Cristina: He's a busy dude.

Jack: Busy dude. And he conquered. This means in saying he conquered that much of Asia that he also by default conquered Persia. Now we're touching both places. We need to be in contact for Latin, which we know is a requirement. And the connection to the Aletians, that seems to be important somehow.

Cristina: Are you saying he's related somehow?

Jack: Who's related?

Cristina: Alexander the Great. Is he part of the story?

Jack: Well, he's part of the information I've given you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's. He's definitely part of the info I've provided.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know as much as I know. I'm re. I'm discovering this information as I'm going through it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I've never read any of this before, but he conquered Persia. Now we're touching Latin speaking people. Oof. And we're touching the ground that we know the Elysians are on. That's beautiful. That was quick. Ooh. Ooh. I l'd my way straight there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm so good. Kira doesn't stand a chance. I'm gonna have him.

Cristina: I Have Kira in this story.

Jack: The Necromancer. Oh, okay, yeah, oh, I got that, yeah. The necromancer. Whoever. The necromancer. Teacher.

Cristina: Teacher, yes, specifically, yes.

Jack: Okay, yeah, like the master necromancer. I guess that's who we're looking for. The master necromancer. Okay, so that's our Kira in this instance. But we got pretty close already now. 323 BC. You're not even ready for what's about to happen.

Cristina: Are you sure? Okay, I'm not ready. What is it?

Jack: Nothing important. He f****** dies. Oh, the end credits roll. Oh, yeah. So I was like, immediately, oh, this guy matters. He, he was topped by Aristotle. This guy started life easy. And this guy then became the king. And he conquered everything. He conquered everything immediately. What the h***?

Cristina: Ten years romancy powers.

Jack: I don't know. But he conquered places that he probably shouldn't be able to conquer. That's kind of weird. How the h*** did you do that? There are forces beyond understanding. Unless they didn't give a f***. There's no way they like f****** take the commoners. Whatever. You can't f*** with us. But it's like those are still your people, kind of, right? Even if they're like the bottom feeders, like, whatever. Those are still your bottom feeders. I think that's still the ideology that functions in people's minds ultimately. Like, f***. Those guys are not Persian. We f*** the lower Persians. He's not allowed to f*** the lower Persians, you know, that's the idea. So like, this guy is coming. No, we're gonna stop him from f****** the people we like to drop bombs on. Essentially. We're gonna wage war on the people trying to wage war on the people we wage war on, bruh.

Cristina: Wait, who is those people?

Jack: It would be the Elish. In this case, the Alicians. Would instantaneous, like zap, fry these guys out of existence, right?

Cristina: No, because they're trying to hide so they can't interfere.

Jack: This is 323 BC. Mm, well, until 323 BC, where when he dies, this is happening. So the Elysians haven't gone into hiding. Jesus. Hasn't happened yet.

Cristina: But they're there in Persia.

Jack: They're in Persia.

Cristina: They're underwater. They're hiding.

Jack: I don't think they're hiding. I think they're hiding their home. We know they've been around. They would just deal with it. They'll just deal with it. It wouldn't be a problem. So how the f*** did this guy do it? Unless he was A problem? But how? He just f****** died, dude.

Cristina: No one killed him off. How did he die?

Jack: Just casual. There's theories about it, but it wasn't anything like. It was this little assassinator. He f****** died of old age. Or he ate something that poisoned him. Or he got sick and f****** died of a. Just casual.

Cristina: No one knows.

Jack: Nothing. Epic. It wasn't like a f******. Not even a rumor, a crazy battle took place or. No, just.

Cristina: Why would they do that? If they wanted him dead, wouldn't they just get someone to kill him or poison him?

Jack: But it's like so anticlimactic and like you could just kill a necromancer like that. That's.

Cristina: That probably is. He's still human at the end of the day.

Jack: No, because we're talking about people who can somehow. Even if all the other things you could do and you can't like make it so poison doesn't work. Come on, bro, that's. That's where the knowledge breaks down.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe he was. No maybe.

Jack: No way. You're not catching him off guard. No, nothing. These guys control time.

Cristina: Yeah, he wasn't a necromancer.

Jack: No, it doesn't work, cuz you gotta.

Cristina: Die anyway to become one.

Jack: Yeah, presumably all the other mentions. We don't know of Merlin dying, but we know of Arthur getting weird abilities and having to. That by the way, was Arthur to some degree, like potentially meant to be a necromancer? He could have, potentially. Except the factor was he dies, he dies. He was the only one who didn't come back. The golem was different. The golem couldn't die. You could just dismantle him and turn him off.

Cristina: Wait, you think Arthur too?

Jack: Arthur might have had all the properties required, minus the fact that he was designed as a blank slate to be manipulated intentionally.

Cristina: I don't know. That's tricky.

Jack: So I don't know. But I know Merlin was. But maybe it's impossible. Maybe Merlin doesn't know how to teach it. He tried his best, you know, who the h*** knows? I don't know. I'm just spitballing, I guess.

Cristina: But Merlin. But Merlin's dead.

Jack: Merlin's dead.

Cristina: But dead.

Jack: Dead, dead, dead. He was killed by a special weapon sent by the fairy though.

Cristina: So it's possible that Alexander could have died from a special weapon, but a.

Jack: Fairy had to come and. But I don't think he was Alexander the Great. Doesn't fit.

Cristina: No, I think he was on his way and then got killed off because of that.

Jack: Maybe he could have been on his way he could have been on his way. So now we need to evaluate Alexander the Great because something must connect in some direction to him, right? There must be signs. So I keep following his story a little, just, you know, casual, and I come across the War of the Diode, the War of the Diodochi.

Cristina: Is that a place or people?

Jack: People. So to clarify, the Diadochi are rival generals, families and friends of Alexander the Great who fought for control over his empire after his death.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: And this led to. To the breakdown of all of his conquered territory of his empire into. Into smaller little faction empires of their own. He was the only man capable of sustaining the whole thing. He died and smaller empires formed. Okay, now, out of this entire group of people, there are many people, there's a bunch of notable ones. And out of the notable ones, they're notable simply because of their relationship to him. Notable in his story, essentially.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's two people who stand out in particular because he had some really close friends. And some of his close friends were among the people who fought to take over what was left after he died.

Cristina: Okay? It's not just his family. He said it was his family.

Jack: It's not just his family. It's family, friends, rivals. It's all of the above. Everybody who could possibly get involved.

Cristina: And his friends are names that we would find familiar.

Jack: We wouldn't find the names familiar. They are just. They're notable to his story. They're just like. If you were like, this is the supporting character that matters because he shows up all the time. Okay, those are who these people are. So there's some who are rivals, there's some who are family and some who are friends who are really just consistently showing up in this guy's story, in his life. And out of those individuals, there are two individuals who stand out in particular, not because of who they are, but because of what they highlight. Now, he had five friends. Two of the friends were isolating from his group of friends are called Ptolemy and Cassander. And the reason that these two friends stand out is because of the giant finger they point. Keep in mind.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, keep in mind the information is often in the scenario, in the cases that we work in, the information that we dig, it's easier to find somebody pointing at the information than finding the information itself. Somebody talking loosely about the thing than actually finding the source directly because of how secretive a lot of this s*** is. In this case, the answer was in front of our face. Both of these individuals also took classes with Aristotle. Aristotle Suddenly became important. This philosopher, we know about, this very famous philosopher, he taught both of them. He taught apparently a lot of people. Okay, so I follow Aristotle. That was, hey, I'm looking, I'm pulling at strings at this point. Like the whole idea broke down. I saw the guy conquering everything, including these people, and then he just casually passes away. It's like, no, it wasn't him. So now I'm left pulling its rings. But it was the right direction because we still touched both places that mattered. So I don't have to go anywhere. I just have to look at the crap that mattered. In this era, we still got the mention we're looking for. So Aristotle, known as one of history's greatest philosophers with contributions in theoretical, natural and practical philosophies, considered one of the most influential individuals to have ever lived. As a result of his contributions, things we know, everybody knows Aristotle as name for all of infinity. And all his recorded knowledge has been divided into two categories.

Cristina: Like what? What are they?

Jack: The two categories are exoteric and esoteric. Oh, allow me to clarify what these two things are.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Exoteric knowledge is knowledge meant to be easy for the public to understand and intended for the public to use. This is general use. Information requires no special previous knowledge to grasp any of this information. It's tools of thought and applications that ways to think about life and approach and moving through life kind of in a scientific way.

Cristina: Okay, simple.

Jack: Then we have esoteric. In modern day culture, esoteric has evolved into meaning secret knowledge. In their exact definition, as they were describing what esoteric meant, knowledge that requires prior information to comprehend. Often time requiring complex education to grasp. Simple. All the information that we put in that category, is that. Okay, interesting. So it just sounds like higher education.

Cristina: Yes, yes, that's right, higher education.

Jack: So this specific knowledge though was meant to be taught and used at Lycium.

Cristina: What's that as a place?

Jack: Lycium is a place. Lycium is a school, a special school in Athens, Greece focused on perennialism. Athens, Greece is a Latin speaking place at the time. So we're still where we need to be. So a school meant to have higher knowledge that to this at this day we call secret knowledge. But back then they were calling that very knowledge, we're calling secret knowledge that very knowledge. They were just calling higher education.

Cristina: Okay, simple.

Jack: But that secret knowledge, we're calling it secret knowledge. That's our meaning for the word esoteric. But that knowledge that we're labeling esoteric, what they labeled back then was essentially the definition. I Gave you higher education. It sounds like to us, their definition just sounds like higher education.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, now, what is perennialism? This school that focuses on perennialism, Supernialism is the philosophy and science that suggests all religions, ideas, philosophies, and more are all discussing the same thing.

Cristina: Really? What?

Jack: One of the most important lessons of perennialism is that all planes of existence overlap and coexist in a traversable fashion, although not always physical. We sometimes say spirit, we sometimes say this, we sometimes say that. But the idea is that we kind of know it's all somehow connected.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is trying to explain in a functional fashion how it is. What do you mean, bro?

Cristina: Is this the school we're looking for?

Jack: Oh, we're getting close to something, essentially. It kind of roughly sounds like you'd find what we're looking for here.

Cristina: Yes, definitely does sound something like that.

Jack: Like we're in the right track, right? That's great. Fantastic. Okay, so thanks to these two random guys, we find the Aristotle is actually who we're looking for. Aristotle happens to have knowledge that he's taken to the school, but his knowledge doesn't seem particularly impressive. He just sounds like he's teaching casual things because he explained the knowledge he's taking in, his contributions. None of it was like, wow, you've got powers. We're going somewhere where the smart people would be, the people who are the elites would hang out. So let's dig deeper into Aristotle. Right? Let's dig deeper into, in fact, where Aristotle's hanging out outside of the school. No, who's around Aristotle? Who is. What is this school? Okay, so we focus then on Lyceum, and prior to Aristotle, teaching at the school, there were several notable individuals to come through and establish themselves. Individuals like Protagoras, Plato, and Socrates all came through this same school, studied and taught at different times.

Cristina: Okay, Are they all important? Maybe. Maybe not.

Jack: Not a clue.

Cristina: Is the school important?

Jack: You know what I know? Everything you have is what I have.

Cristina: Learning about the Elysians in school, I.

Jack: Don'T know what they're learning. Right. This is crazy, because we got a couple of complicated minds hanging out all in the same place. Some of the most advanced minds, and we're talking to everybody we've mentioned, doesn't seem to stand out in any great fashion other than they were significant people, but they were significant for commoners. We still don't know any of these individuals that have done anything particularly impressive. So so far, we don't. We don't even have, like, potential individuals, but we might Be where we need to be.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I got nowhere else. We came to the school. Nobody. I looked at these guys. Nobody was impressive. Nothing mattered. Nothing stuck out. And really with Aristotle, other than him being the connection to the school that we followed, nothing stands out.

Cristina: No way. Really.

Jack: None of these individuals in any particular fashion. But we can just keep following this, right? So the school was originally started. Now, this is where just following the school because the people didn't matter. So now it's crazy.

Cristina: The people didn't matter.

Jack: But okay, colossal names. How the h*** did not one of them stand out in some fashion? Okay, but names immediately started standing out. The school was originally started by what seems to be referred to consistently as an elite Greek named Apollo. Apollo Lysias, which is described in many texts as a Greek God. We're familiar with this guy. Okay, we're quite familiar with this guy.

Cristina: Familiar with this guy.

Jack: Now, Apollo, according to a lot of mythology, is a Greek God. Mythology says he's a Greek God, but our data says he's some dude who did some science y things with a bunch of other high society nerds. He's a high society nerd. I guess, kind of. That's what we're talking about. A lot of time. A bunch of high society nerds.

Cristina: They weren't disturbing, though.

Jack: They were doing. A lot of these guys were just Tucker from freaking Full Metal Alchemist.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, they were. They're doing some horrible, horrible things. But okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: He was part of that group.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Paula was one of them. He was part of those guys. We know that they had Naga trying to make Naga. We know they had weird. They were willing to do odd experiments on themselves and. I don't give a. These guys were crazy, bro. And so they turned out to be way more op than we thought. As you know, we ignored them for super long, diverted into other. We thought they were.

Cristina: They made Nagas.

Jack: Yeah. Until we're like, holy. Wait, we gotta focus on the morphine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You guys got a couple of things going on that we didn't catch at first. We just thought again, whack people. Because they're not directly trading. I mean, they're literally only trading. But they're not directly friends in the group that we seem to frequent while digging through this data. Deletions. The Mayans, the Egyptians, they. Whoever else they associate with the Greek only seem to be associated through trade.

Cristina: Yes. As far as we can tell. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And for. Because of that we thought they were maybe just commoners that these people were trading with. And although the Greek can't seem to track down the Elysians, I don't know that they're trying to. Alternatively, I know that they have tools where they're trying to find things. We showed some of their things where they literally have the ability to track things. But a lot of this was also provided by Jesus, which happened later anyway. So I don't. It's a lot of weird time things happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But Apollo, one of the Greek. Now, weird that the school is attributed to being started by a Greek God.

Cristina: Yeah, that's very weird. Okay.

Jack: Pointing that part out just like, okay.

Cristina: That'S the story behind the school.

Jack: That's the story behind it. We all just agree with that one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No arguments here. We're just like, yep, but cool. Okay, sure, guys. Lycium is known to have had the first zoo ever.

Cristina: That's weird too. But okay.

Jack: The first botanical garden ever, the two first versions of that ever recorded in history happened to be Elysium. That s*** was just popping with mega science. That was the f****** place it was popping, bro.

Cristina: Kind of crazy, huh?

Jack: Right there in Greece.

Cristina: Bro was when he made the school, it was for normal people or were like the people that were gonna become the gods went to this school that seems.

Jack: The school seems to have started way after the people who are considered the gods.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It was way later.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So I don't think that those individuals are necessarily associated with the school, others in the school having been. Because one of them is one of the people known as God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Apollo, the guy who started it, is considered one of the Greek gods. So they must have come first.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Now, the research performed at the school. So like, all of their information, all their studies dove into facets that would later evolve into biology, chemistry, Earth science, natural science, astronomy, physics and more. So let's establish a couple of things here. And this points at something quite interesting about the Greek that is very identical to the Mayans, as far as we know so far. But I got theories on that for days. And the Egyptians in particular, which is they're all human. They all come from humans to some degree. These are individuals who use other means to reach their levels. Some of them traded, literally, and got tech from these people and came up. The Greeks seem to have kind of gone up themselves, or if they did get help, I don't know. But they're kind of up there too.

Cristina: The gods. Yeah, they're human.

Jack: They seem to all be.

Cristina: Once Upon a time.

Jack: Once upon a time. Human. Unlike the Elysians, that that story seems to come from a different branch entirely. And the mayans that I 100% have theories on what the h*** is going on with that. I believe they like, I don't know why everything else takes place in the same place and they don't. And we'll look into that. A different time.

Cristina: Okay, but you're saying the leash, not the elations. The Mayans, the Egyptians and the Greeks, the gods that we call gods, they came from humans. They're human.

Jack: These are people who either through technology, through some of these means outside of Earth realm, then they become through. Yeah. Or through adrenochrome or similar things, they leave what we understand humanity to be and enter a sometimes literal physical transformation. Sometimes just technologically at such a scale that there's such advantage.

Cristina: What makes I guess necromancers different? Why weren't they seen as gods?

Jack: Because people didn't know about these individuals. I've not once said anybody has even mentioned necromancy yet. No, but it's not mentioned that they don't have necromancy to talk about. That's why these people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These people can't be considered something that doesn't seem to be anywhere.

Cristina: Okay. Is necromancy so secretive or something?

Jack: It seems to be more secretive than the Elysians and the Elysians are hard enough to come across.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We. But we know of many Elysians now after many years of looking.

Cristina: We know many gods.

Jack: Yeah. And we only know three potential question mark necromancers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So like they seem to be numerically way. Like we have so many Egyptian quote gods, research team members that we only mentioned some of them because they were the notable ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There were many others that we just skimmed through. That same thing happened with the minds. There were just a bunch of random dudes that we just casually jumped through and same thing with Creek, a bunch of random dudes. Apollo is actually one of them that we just kind of just ran through because they didn't do anything of note at those moments.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Meanwhile, every Elysian we talked about, we needed to focus on because they all seemed important to some degree because they're only like six or seven total we f****** managed to name. That's super secretive. But also that totally aligns because think about most of those teams are built of outsiders.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Most of the Elysian team, except for.

Cristina: The main one, I guess the one then their home base or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. We had Jehovah. We had asriel and as just two or three individuals. And then everybody else was an outsider.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And it's like, okay, we don't have a lot of names here. But then we dive deeper, and when we get. We got three named fairies. Four if we include the lady of the Lake, and five if we include Brahma. That is also. So we got all two, three Indian mythology. Four Indian mythology, individuals. And one like a Germanic, not even Arthurian, one. Arthurian mythology. So we have five fairy. Which fairies. Which is maybe two or three lessons. And then even less than that. We got three potential. Everything else we mentioned is confirmed. Yeah, we got three potential. We don't know that they are factually any of this.

Cristina: That's true. Okay.

Jack: That's how elusive this is. They have to be keeping score. They're way more hidden than ever before.

Cristina: There might be three or four, depending on Arthur. Yes. No. No, not Arthur.

Jack: No. Merlin is an agromancer of a fact. It'd be Merlin, it'd be Patrick, and it'd be Nicholas.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Oh, s***. Four. Oh, s***.

Cristina: I'm saying four.

Jack: And. Yeah. So four for a fact. And the teacher that we know, the question mark that we're after. So after we decide if we can track them down, we either have four, which makes them more elusive, or we're tying or starting to tie. Like we're catching up to fairies.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, I guess it is possible to keep score. Weirdly enough.

Cristina: Still no more fairies because we know the Fairy queen herself and her.

Jack: Oh. And all Rose and all of the Nagas, even if their AI are technically, literally extensions about.

Cristina: There so many of them.

Jack: There's so many. No, you're totally right. Holy.

Cristina: So.

Jack: And we know the elves, even if we don't have them, by names. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm actually sure. That's probably easy to find. I'm just sure they don't do anything significant other than be cool. And they're cool if you're like a geek, essentially.

Cristina: We should find them. No, but I bet something cool.

Jack: I bet there's at least cool stories, even if it's not impactful. Probably done some dope s*** eventually. We'll see. Just when we hit walls, that's usually where I go. And then we find weird things that I wasn't even looking for. But anyways. Yeah, so basically, the. The things that happened at that school. By the way, that school was led by Aristotle for a while. The library there. Yeah, the library there is called the Library of Aristotle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. Yeah. And Mo pretty much all of these signs were advanced by him, and they would all end up becoming all of these different sciences. All these philosophies weren't fantastic.

Cristina: Sounds like school.

Jack: It sounds like school.

Cristina: God made the school.

Jack: Yeah. Other than that weird. And the God didn't do anything impressive. We could just say that that's a weird translation or it was written metaphorically and that the God inspired the school, but they wanted to personify it in a more literal way. Easy to solve that problem. But now we have Aristotle and his library, which means they have a lot of work to go through.

Cristina: With his library.

Jack: With his library. And in one of Aristotle's earliest records, you can find the small notes scribbled on the papaya sheets that he used. And it depicts a conversation he had with his mentor, who's named only in the Greek symbols that look like an A and then an A without the middle part.

Cristina: That's supposed to be something. What's the description again? An A and an A.

Jack: It's an A, a normal A, and then what looks like an upside down V. That's it. Just an A and an upside down V, which is essentially an A minus the little middle part. So I'm like, okay, great. Okay, I run that. And that does translate to ap.

Cristina: What does that.

Jack: Well, jumping Apollo, Lysius back, you get those same initial two letters, which would then translate to ap. So he was talking about conversations he was literally having with Apollo Eliseus, thus debunking the idea that he was talking metaphorically or that he was speaking about being inspired by this God to do the school. He's talking about having conversations with his mentor. Yes. And his mentor is literally, outside of his personal notes, never mentioned by anybody, at least in any popular famous record that exists from any known Greek source related to Greek mythology or Greek history. I looked through as much as I possibly could. There is no mention of Apollo in any instance that makes him look like anything but the mythological individual. Minus. When Aristotle writes about him in which he's talking about him as a real person.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Which means Aristotle saw him not as this transcendent individual, but as a sort of equal. That's all we really have to extrapolate from this. He wasn't seeing him as somebody far above. He was like, this is the guy who taught me. This is the guy I look up to.

Cristina: And what did he teach him? Did he teach him anything unique, the.

Jack: Things that he was teaching?

Cristina: Oh, okay. Just normal school stuff.

Jack: Yeah. He was teaching and advancing what he was taught.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: So weird.

Cristina: He was just a teacher.

Jack: He was just. Apollo was a teacher who learned by working with the Greek gods, but taught apparently a guy named Aristotle. And Aristotle then shared his knowledge he got from this high society individual.

Cristina: A weird story. Yeah, such a weird story. I don't understand.

Jack: And Aristotle was considered the high society individual within his circles. So it made sense that people would come to him to grasp the knowledge that he got from the people who are high society in his circles. So he's high society amongst and then in a different circle, he's the bottom and he can see the high society people. And he got from one and took it to the other. Simple.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: But then why is Apollo out here just sharing the wealth? Don't this guy feel pretentious? But I guess these do. These individuals do fit the idea we were discussing before.

Cristina: They're all scientists.

Jack: They're not that they're just all sciences, but they're human. Oh, so they have that compassion. And you're always willing to stand up for your people, even if they're the inferior. So it's like, yeah, we're high society, but you know, even if they're way behind, we'll give them something once in a while. And this guy was one of the individuals probably more generous among them. Apollo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who decided, yeah, we know a lot. We can share some of the wealth. A kind of Lucifer esque individual. Let's share some. Okay, Apollo and Lucifer. Let's share some. Weirdly enough, Apollo and Lucifer I believe get conflated. I think they're constantly referred to as.

Cristina: A future thing that we talk about. More about Apollo. Let's learn about him.

Jack: Well, he's a weird one, right? Nice individual.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, Apollo. He's the apple. I thought the AV thing was going to lead to an apple for some reason, but. No, but that would have been.

Jack: Yeah, no, no, it related to an. Oh yeah, for sure. There were some individuals even within these other groups willing to share the knowledge. Now. Cool. We, we ground this guy and he's a high society individual. More evidence that he's not a God. Other than the mention specifically we had prior to that and this mention of him, but never have we gotten him mentioned as a mentor and personified simultaneously. This is a first anyways. Additional. Within the same series of notes we could find mentions of a man that apologies had unclear issues with but felt strongly negatively towards as described by Aristotle. In these conversations, AP was having disagreements with an individual whose initials were only J, E.

Cristina: Any idea?

Jack: J E, J E. Yeah. So I tried a lot of things, and running a search for all names written in Latin that fit these initials, we find that it's surprisingly rare, which kind of makes it pretty easy to track down because there isn't a lot.

Cristina: Okay, is it a familiar name?

Jack: No, because I don't read Latin, and in this case, it's Be. Latin and Greek are kind of really closely tied. So this is essentially what we're looking at.

Cristina: I'm not sure what I'm looking at.

Jack: This is the name that I landed at after I ran this search that required these two initials. I'll explain why in a backwards fashion. Hold it. It's yours.

Cristina: This random gibberish name?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It looks insane.

Jack: So for the sakes of what we're discussing, all of this is going to be discussed in the Greek context that I've just given to you. Now, again, few individuals share these initials, and one name sticks out, which is.

Cristina: That name, but it's J. E. Something like that.

Jack: Yeah. So I run that through a translator, and I get Jehovah God.

Cristina: No, you don't.

Jack: I do. I get Jehovah God. Now, that means they're also referring to just the Elysian Jehovah, but as the way they would refer to the Greek gods, those people way above us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it just comes out as Jehovah God. He still sees Jehovah as above Apollo.

Cristina: Yeah, he's calling him God.

Jack: He's calling him God as opposed to Apollo. Except I know looking at that, you could tell kind of Eloi is being translated into Jehovah, because Eloi seems to be used as Yahweh, and this kind of looks like Eloi. You see the E. You see the weird random character we're not sure of. Then you literally see Oy. I'm like, okay, I see that happening here. So this is being translated into Jehovah because I know that Yahweh, the father of Jehovah, Eloi, and which is the grandfather, and Jehovah, which is the son of Yahweh, get consistently conflated one with the other. You know, they're always.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interchangeable.

Cristina: So you think this is not the right.

Jack: No, I think this is translating. This is what we're getting Jehovah for. So then what's the first part of this? It doesn't look like Jehovah or Eloi. This is something else. Right. So this one is being translated the God, I thought. So I decided to run them individually instead of as a name.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first part, rather, the second Part is in fact Loi. Literally, it is Eloi.

Cristina: So you thought.

Jack: Yeah, no, that's accurate. The first part is Jehovah.

Cristina: Jehovah Eloi.

Jack: Think about that really hard, real quick. Think about it really hard, really quick. It makes way more sense than you might think. And we did not put it together. And it's gonna. It by default answers an entirely different question that we couldn't put together because we are apparently f****** stupid.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: You want the answer? You want to try? You want a moment? It's important. It's really important.

Cristina: Is it obvious?

Jack: It's so obvious. But I couldn't see it either. The problem is it's so obvious it's invisible. It's that problem.

Cristina: It's so obvious.

Jack: Even the f****** listeners, once I explain it, are going to be like, holy s***, how did none of us see? Makes so much sense. Say it out loud. Just say once.

Cristina: Jehovah. Eloi.

Jack: What's happening there? Okay, I'mma clarify very easily. It's a first and last name. Now think about it. Does this answer anything for you?

Cristina: They're related. No, I don't know.

Jack: God, I hate that I have to explain some of these really obvious. That should have clicked it. Okay, let's string this back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We thought Loi was living a long time because of him being way the h*** over there and him being way the h*** over here in two totally different times. We also eventually thought maybe hello. I is actually a title of some sort.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It'S a title. It's a last name. It's a family last name. Yeah, it's Yahweh Eloi. It's Jehovah Eloi.

Cristina: Because it's a title.

Jack: It's a title. It literally wasn't.

Cristina: So you found out that what we thought was right is right.

Jack: Not only what we thought was right, but literally what the title meant. It's a family lineage last name meaning through Eloi alone, we could find out what other thing they would attach to the word Eloi and land at different people from within the same lineage. We can track his entire family history because it's anybody who's labeled as Eloi in both spellings of Eloi and Elohim.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Holy s***. We just have a way now.

Cristina: The track is family tree track.

Jack: Jehovah and his biology we can follow.

Cristina: Okay, but the person we're following right now is Jehovah.

Jack: This right now just tells us that it's Jehovah that AP was having a problem with. And AP was the Greek Apollo Okay.

Cristina: That's such a crazy story. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So this actually serves into not only clarifying the fact that we were essentially right about the title. The title, but a previous problem that we'd run across is confirmed here, too, that the Greek and the Aletians did not get along. There was always conflict one way or another.

Cristina: They tried real hard to work together.

Jack: They were courteous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But did not like one another.

Cristina: Yeah. Is there any hints of what it was, that they were having a problem?

Jack: No, he doesn't specify, other than he was more focused on the mental state of his mentor and how, like, this guy brings him emotional distress. Which just goes to show that whatever Jehovah God, or now, as we know, Jehovah, Eloi of the Eloi family lineage, see, we just know that that guy probably was just real oppressive in a way that Apollo couldn't do anything about. I mean, literally, in the context that he words him, the word that is being tossed in seems to be God. I don't know if now that makes sense, because it could have just been the guy's last name. It literally is the guy's last name, or he's also considering their entire last name was built around the word God. Like, they didn't build that, but rather the word God got extrapolated from those people. I think so, like, literally. It's not that Eloi means God. No, it's that God means Eloi.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that's where it began.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. That's why I think that translation happened. And this will. This would make so much sense because, again, the way he described the initials are weird. That was the weirdest part, because when you throw it and you get Jehovah God, this doesn't work. Initials, bro. You put it in initial form. That's weird. That's a full name.

Cristina: Yeah, you put it.

Jack: But then you run it and you get two different names we were sure were names. If you run them individually, they are Jehovah and Eloi.

Cristina: It has to be a family thing or not family. It could be a title. Still could.

Jack: Yeah, it could be a title within a family or within Elysians, but it's at least connecting a series of individuals that at least three of them we know are within the same family or are at least within the same line of work. That would afford them the title.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, that could be most likely it.

Jack: Yeah, that could also be it. I guess.

Cristina: They don't necessarily work the same as us. They don't have Names the same as us. Like we have a name. Or maybe just like maybe they could.

Jack: They're still earthlings. They're still intelligent individuals. And it's an easy way to distinct.

Cristina: Between our last names. Was our jobs originally.

Jack: I mean our last names. Yes. But we were the invention of a last name comes as a imitation of something. What were we imitating?

Cristina: Yes. So the gods had to have.

Jack: They had last names we were imitating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even Apollo had Alesias as his last name. And he was just the Greek God in the very text that give him a last name. Which doesn't make sense. It breaks the idea that he's a God if he has a last name.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Except he's a dude who taught you stuff, talked to you personally and you refer to him by first and last name. It's like, come on, bro.

Cristina: That's a guy who his frenemy was or whatever.

Jack: Like these people are grounded.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They seem to exist. So again, either we found a way to track a bloodline or at least a line literally now connecting that we can use to find other individuals from within the same line. LOI from 3.5 million years ago must have had a first name.

Cristina: Yes. That couldn't.

Jack: Was not it. He had a first name and we literally have just not stumbled upon it.

Cristina: Or it was. And he was the first.

Jack: Or he was the first.

Cristina: He was the first and everyone took it after him.

Jack: Yeah. Because of the big impact he had.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's significant to go after his name. He's Link. You might not literally be Link.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: But you're now gonna assume this identity because it's your destiny to fulfill the role of Link.

Cristina: The church. You're the chosen one.

Jack: You're the chosen One.

Cristina: Really? It's not really. That works. Okay. Whoa.

Jack: To clarify, this in no way connects us to our necromancer. This is just other unrelated fascinating information that just happened to pop up as a result of trying to find a necromancer.

Cristina: Random. Are we ever gonna find them?

Jack: Big top dogs are at least in the vicinity of the people who would have access to necromancers. For a fact. This all checks out.

Cristina: Still nothing about necromancy.

Jack: Still nothing. Things that in looking through this information we come up with is actually that the term see people is a slur. It is used offensively to talk about the Elysians. That is the reason that exists. Sea people is a way to say f****** people from over there. Those m************. That's essentially what sea people translates to.

Cristina: To Them because they don't like them.

Jack: Because they don't like the se people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's always been a slur term. And we did that now. Okay, so our apologies, guys, I guess.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: Yeah, but makes sense. It makes sense. It makes sense because why would they be the courteous ones? They're the only ones referring that way consistently. The only other mentions were people who also had conflict. Okay. It checks out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's fair.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Okay, Makes sense now. Now, one other figure is mentioned in Aristotle's notes.

Cristina: Are you giving me another initials?

Jack: No, this guy just kind of shows up in full name.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Hermes Trismegustus.

Cristina: Awful. Okay.

Jack: Which is often described in the notes as wandering the halls of the facility. And Hermes Trismages, if you do not know, is a legendary Greek figure, oftentimes associated with the Greek God Hermes and oftentimes associated with the Egyptian God Thoth, which. Thoth is actually one of the members of the sun gods. Yeah. And Hermes is one of the members of the Egyptian of the Greek gods. Just another casual one. We just.

Cristina: This is not a God.

Jack: This guy's not a God. This is just a dude.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This guy is just a dude. Now, about this dude. All this other data I've looked at, and let me tell you how this guy is put in the paper. He's written in two occasions as one, awaiting his private students. Casual, two, awaiting the pass. Sacred, hidden or private knowledge. He's the one teaching private things within the school. That's all ready for selective children.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Okay.

Jack: Now this makes it seem like Hermes was a literal individual in the school who himself was conducting research but teaching individuals. We know his impactful things that provided literal hermeticism. He's credited with developing hermeticism and the hermetic principles.

Cristina: Wait, he's that guy.

Jack: He's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy. No. Okay.

Jack: He's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy.

Jack: He's that guy. Now it makes a lot more sense, right? He's that guy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It becomes a kind of like. Well, I guess we could have started there if we thought about him and like, worked back and probably got into where we were going real quick because, like, yeah, that's kind of on paper. Literally what you would need to know in or that's his beliefs given for the general public. We wouldn't know how to apply it in a way that we could use it. But he's essentially telling us an easy way to think about what necromancy is. Oh, if everything is one, you could traverse any part of it. All sides are connected, so you could move seamlessly between these states.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Like all of this is just discussing f****** necromancy. It's necromancy. Necromancy for dummies. And the hermeticism as we know it is her necromancy for dummies. Understand it. Meanwhile, he had a way of teaching people how to use it, and that's what you went to that. So he would teach both things, his hermeticism and deep hermeticism, which was necromancy. It was Hermes Trismegistus. He was the necromancer.

Cristina: No way. But do we know if any of his students actually became necromancers at that school?

Jack: We don't know. The only mentions of actual necromancy that we have are all assumptions. And it's because they fit the suit, not because they were literally other than Merlin.

Cristina: That seems to be. We don't have any stories of him doing anything. Necromancy like, well, we got to focus on him.

Jack: We were just looking for him.

Cristina: He has the knowledge, though. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, we got him.

Cristina: We got.

Jack: We got who I think it is. If he ain't in, at least this is the road. I told you. Just getting here. We have run out of time just getting to him. We ran out of time, man.

Cristina: That was shocking. That's more. That's. That's so crazy.

Jack: I mean, it's not even secret knowledge that's just out there. He really just published a public version of the thing, and it's literally the lessons he was trying to teach privately. So it was. It's not even that hard. It's. Here's the information. If you get it, you'll come find me, and then I'll teach you the deep s***. It's not even that crazy. It makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Hence the exoteric and the esoteric. If you get the exoteric, come find me. I'll teach you the esoteric if you want it.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: And it's like, oh, s***. It's not even that hidden, bro. It's just hard. And nobody's gonna do it. And so the three guys who did we know about and maybe some others, but, like, maybe not. And like, maybe it's so hard, only once every couple hundred years some dude makes it because also he will be f****** immortal.

Cristina: But like, so he's immortal if he's the teacher. If he's the teacher.

Jack: If he's the teacher, he's immortal.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Us no longer Hearing about him has nothing to do with him necessarily dying.

Cristina: No, because we know Jesus was having F names. And.

Jack: Yes, it's. Exactly. This even brings the question, in theory, if we actually know Merlin is dead. Like, weird. Like, that happens because the more we know about necromancy, the less likely that becomes.

Cristina: Okay, that makes awesome, you know? Yeah. He might not be dead.

Jack: Like, he might not be dead. They have this ability to just, like, poof. And now you're just gone. All of them do. It seems.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, like, maybe he's just like. That was a close one. This.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That makes so much sense. Oh, my gosh. Do you know, like, it is what it is. Or maybe he's like, an outlaw or some s***. There's really little on Merlin. Maybe he's an outlaw or some s***. Why isn't he hanging out with Elysians? You're hanging out way the f*** out there, bro.

Cristina: But we know guys that don't want to be part of it. Like that guy in Ireland. What's his name? The one with the trees? He just wants to protect the trees.

Jack: No, he was sent there.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: You're talking about Mananan.

Cristina: Yeah, he said. He seems pretty private, though. Besides that.

Jack: That's his job. He's literally building an entire island that they have there so they can continue. His life is surrounded by work. Oh, he's like an elite scientist soldier dude or some.

Cristina: Okay, I guess. Yeah, I guess that's not the same.

Jack: Weirdly enough, I don't actually think he's doing the research there. I think he's the guy protecting.

Cristina: No. Yeah, I think he's just protecting it.

Jack: The people who are doing the research. His job is to overlook. So. But, yeah. Anyways, either way, that's where we are. So we. We got Hermes. And he seems like. Yeah.

Cristina: If anybody, he might be something.

Jack: Yeah. If anything, him.

Cristina: If anything, him.

Jack: Yeah, if anything, him. I don't know who else I'd point at, but, like, that guy. Yes, him.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: He fits that too hard. Hermeticism is essentially necromancy. It's all of the points you need to understand in order to be. Plus Latin, I guess. And know the tech. You need to know these ideas. You need to know Latin. And then I guess the hard part is you must find, learn, and understand how to use the technologies associated with all three realms. That part seems hard.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He gave you the other stuff.

Cristina: Can we prove he did any of that?

Jack: We can't prove he did any of that. As of me giving this information that we're both Fully updated on to the.

Cristina: That's the end of today.

Jack: Yeah. As of now. No. But he's our next target.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: He's the focus. If anybody he's handing out get into him. He's him, bro. He's. He's. He's either him or he's him. I mean, Eloise him as far as we know. But like. No, he would be him if anybody's gonna crap. No, he would be because these guys are more dangerous than freaking the Nesians, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, they are.

Jack: So he is him.

Cristina: He would be.

Jack: He might be him. He might be him. If him isn't from Elfame, him is from Earth Realm. And if. If him is from Earth Realm, he's him. It's him. It has to be him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't think we have the ability to produce something more overpowered than a necromancer. As far as we know.

Cristina: As far as we don't know.

Jack: But also, it seems with power scale, crap seems to disappear. And if we're whittled down the four individuals, that means whatever the next power scale is we've not even seen yet.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And when we do, we'll have just one and no.

Cristina: Which is the guy who may or may not have escaped this reality.

Jack: You think he would be above?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because he's in the real world.

Jack: But so are people of Elfame. Fairies inherently are also in the real world. It's not like a feat of accomplishment. And all the necromancers can do that too. He's below everything we just discussed because he also needed all this other to get there. Okay, that's some bottom feeder as compared to the power level jumps we have done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're talking season one, Dragon Ball Z in the Saiyan Saga versus Buu Saga. That kind of gap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like Yalda. Yeah. He seems scary when Raditz was all we knew about. Now does Raditz seem scary when you see Boo, it's like, no. Raditz is just a dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could kind of be handled when you think about it in comparison.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A well placed backhand by Boo would end Raddus. You know, like, it's okay. That's where we are. Hermes. He's him. We gotta go look at Hermes.

Cristina: Yes. What a name.

Jack: Anyways, I hope this has been informative and enlightening to everybody.

Cristina: That was.

Jack: And it's crazy because it was so obvious that Loi was a last name. We were so close without somebody literally telling us we were so close. But if we didn't say last name. We were that close because we knew a title of some sort. We were so close, it was like an inch away. That's essentially getting it. Except we didn't cross the line. We didn't cross the finish line. But we were there. We were as close as anybody else is getting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We found out Jehovah's last name is Loi and that all the mentions of Loi are just some title or last name. The end. That's it. Got it.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: It's either a bloodline.

Cristina: Now we're gonna find out, though.

Jack: Study. Yeah. Those are two things we gotta look at deeply. We gotta look at. Well, three things. We gotta look at Hermes, we gotta look at Apollo. And we have to look at the Loi title itself.

Cristina: That's a lot of crap.

Jack: Three important. Well, two important and one curious thing, which is Apollo. I don't think that's necessarily relevant, but that's just interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: More information, and usually the interesting leads into other insight. If you guys have any input or any information you'd like to give us or comments or questions or concerns, you can reach us on our socials at just Convopod on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, on Tick Tock.

Cristina: Okay. Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell everybody we're getting to it. I don't know what we're getting to. It seems like an infinite hole.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes.

Jack: But there's stuff happening.

Cristina: Yes, there's definitely stuff happening.

Jack: This junk and stuff. Tell people about that word of mouth. Tell them about the junk and stuff.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye, Sabbath.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 09, 2024

Rambling 265: Fetuses and Containers

March 09, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was inside the container? Who was responsible? What does it mean? The duo investigate a strange rumor about a container that might be linked to a familiar substance. What they discover is note quite what they expected to find!

+Episode Details

Investigator Jon Doe
Storage Unit Company
15,000 Fetuses
Reasons and Speculation
The Shipping Container

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, oh, boy, was there some baffling idealing that was being idea'd recently. Oh, my God, were they ideas? So baffled and Ling, Ling, Ling.

Cristina: What does that even mean?

Jack: Don't question me.

Cristina: Are they your ideas?

Jack: No. No. Some guy much smarter than me, probably wearing a suit, had these ideas, and he said these ideas. So therefore, we all believe this guy. And. And. And not only was he a guy with a suit, but he would randomly switch that suit for a lab coat. So he's twice as important. He's not just a dude in a suit. He's a dude sometimes in a suit, sometimes in a lab coat, so he's extra important.

Cristina: Is he someone we know?

Jack: No idea. Just some guy none of us have ever met. And he wrote some words and we just believe it and we listen.

Cristina: You have a name? No, but, you know, he was wearing a lab suit and a regular suit.

Jack: Yeah, occasionally.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, so I got something interesting to tell you today, and it's a bit of a road. It's a bit of a doozy. Right. So I need to set the stage for this first. The year was 1982. February. Los Angeles, California. Sunny. Woodland Hills. Nice little neighborhood, nice little area. Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A journalist who goes by John Doe for the purposes of the situation, because he actually did not disclose his information relative to this. There are just credible sources who have claimed this, and this has been reported up to where I will give you at least.

Cristina: Is he the guy in the suit?

Jack: There's no guy in a suit. I don't know who that guy is.

Cristina: No, he has nothing to do with it.

Jack: No, that's unrelated. Okay, so a journalist who goes by John Doe, he comes across a weird, peculiar piece of information, suggesting that the missing object he has been looking for is located in a. Like, he zeroed it on and he found where it might be. Most likely what he's looking for is, weirdly enough, a collection of fetuses. Many, many, many missing fetuses.

Cristina: He. He lost the fetuses. I'm confused.

Jack: No, he's a journalist. He's hunting these fetuses down.

Cristina: He just knows that they're missing.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Who is reporting them missing? Is it hospitals?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All Right.

Jack: So he's out here collecting information as to. He thinks there's a case here. He thinks there's a case. He thinks this is important. He's, like, missing. Is it. I don't know. It's fetuses. People killed.

Cristina: Is it a vampire?

Jack: People killed these babies. They're like, hey, we're okay with murder.

Cristina: Are these, like, missing babies? Like, people were giving birth to children, to babies, and then those babies would go missing?

Jack: No, no, no. Those are complete babies. Those aren't fetuses. Those are just humans.

Cristina: These are.

Jack: I mean, like, aborted babies.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Aborted babies.

Cristina: Aborted babies were gone. Had gone missing.

Jack: Yes. So it seems to be that they've been being skimmed off of the top of a collective, essentially, or something of that nature. And so this guy's been following it. Weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's chasing fetuses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, he finds that these fetuses that he's been looking for have most likely been being diverted by one individual. Melvin Weisberg.

Cristina: We have a name. Who's that guy?

Jack: Melvin Weinsberg is the owner of a local storage unit company named the Weisberg.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Storage. The Weisburg Garage. My bad. It's called the Weisburg Garage.

Cristina: He has the babies.

Jack: He seems to be. It seems to be getting lost along him.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He managed to find out where they're all tied before they disappear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, what contact they all have before they go missing and was him. But he instantly. Instantly upon coming across this name and connecting who it is and what the guy owns and what he's looking for, he's like, oh, my God. Because the guy owns a storage unit. Like, you just piece together how stupid this is already. What, he owns storage units and there's missing fetuses?

Cristina: Yeah. So he has them in a few hours.

Jack: He's just stuffing them somewhere. Presumably. At least that's why this guy's thinking. Right.

Cristina: So how, though? Like, he's stealing them while he's supposed to be transporting them?

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be that he's claiming he's gonna transport, but he's too lazy or something. But essentially the. Our John Doe, he just comes to this conclusion quickly and he's like, f***, this sucks. And further investigating reveals that it's essentially true they were all being stored there. There are upwards of 15. 15,000 fetuses that are found. Yes. Many that are found at the storage yard.

Cristina: Is it all, like, throughout the country or something? Like, how do you. What is that number? Is that a normal number for a day? Or year. What is it? I don't know.

Jack: For what nefarious purposes was this here?

Cristina: I don't know. You have answers to that?

Jack: I do.

Cristina: And it has to do with the guy himself who owns this place.

Jack: Yes. The answer is very, very, very simple. It turns out he's a crazy, lazy guy who took a lot of jobs that he did not know how to handle. He claimed they knew how to dispose of this, then found out there was a lot of laws restricting. He's just an idiot. He's just an idiot.

Cristina: Now stop lying.

Jack: I swear to you, when you. And when you and I first heard of this, and I was like, I am going to find how this is proof and how this connects to the one thing. I swear to God. I started there. I was like, this is going to connect to a dream. It has to be. It has to be adrenochrome. But it turns out this guy just took way too many contracts and he had no idea what to do with any of this.

Cristina: Can you buy that?

Jack: Well, yeah. This guy was. They were all just status. They were messed up, useless. If anything, he's who you'd hate if you loved adrenochrome because he just let your product mess up.

Cristina: What was his goal?

Jack: Like, money. And it's like, then he was like. But at least he owned the storage unit, and he had many units.

Cristina: What did he. Like, what was his plan, though? He must have had a. He had no plan. It was like, I'm just gonna. I don't understand. There's like.

Jack: No, no. The craziest part is these fetuses were collected. Keep in mind, this is 1982. These fetuses were collected actually, for many years.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: For many years. He'd gotten away with just storing the fetuses over time.

Cristina: No one.

Jack: That's why it's so many.

Cristina: What was. What was he gonna do when he ran out of room?

Jack: There was no plan here.

Cristina: Was he gonna sink it?

Jack: He'd actually gone, like, 10 years without getting caught, so. Oh, he stopped caring.

Cristina: He's like, whatever. Someone, like, smell it.

Jack: No, they're contained.

Cristina: But once it's filled, then what's his plan? Just hide it?

Jack: I mean, I guess I'm assuming he had the one logic of, I'll cross that road when I get there.

Cristina: He never did. He did.

Jack: That's how we know. And then he went to prison. The end.

Cristina: Do we know if he, like, sunk some in the ocean maybe?

Jack: Nothing. No, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. It was. It was like a storage unit. Nevertheless, Just a building. He had a building with storage units. And he would just like. Okay. And. Yeah, nothing. Absolutely nothing.

Cristina: So disturbing.

Jack: Yeah. And it's not disturbing. It's just dumb.

Cristina: It is dumb.

Jack: It is very dumb. And I swear the story was gonna go somewhere super epic.

Cristina: How does it not, though? Because we have to buy what he's saying. Like, I don't know.

Jack: There's nothing, Nothing else to argue here. It was just like really blatantly.

Cristina: Were those bodies investigated?

Jack: They were just fetuses all in containers. There was nothing. They're just stored.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: Okay, so that's where we are.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah, that's very disappointing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So now originally I was gonna try and chase that story down, being sure it was connected to adrenochrome. That was the goal.

Cristina: Yeah. But it's not.

Jack: But then I just kept. I kept, I tried, I dug. I was like, this is a cover up or something. I'm like, I'm sure I could find something. No, this is just a crazy guy.

Cristina: And you know how much he made?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But what I did find instead were a couple of interesting details. According to the laws regarding fetuses and abortions in the United States, only the government and key individuals. These are organizations that are not some nonprofits and some for profit organizations that have access to information relative to. To fetuses. I'll elaborate. The information includes knowledge of where the fetuses are kept. Only the government and two or three organizations in general. And the people within them know. Just specific people. Knowledge of where fetuses were acquired, the excuses, the safety of the parent of the individual who got the abortion. That's fine, that's great. But because of this, you can't disclose where you've acquired fetuses. Next, knowledge of how these fetuses are going to be used. Because you got to protect the scientists who are doing the science, allegedly. So we are not allowed to know how any of these are being used.

Cristina: But the government gets. No.

Jack: With government. Yes, I know. Specific. That's crazy. And knowledge of how many fetuses have been collected. So we don't have a number on this.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: They do. So to clarify this, specific government bodies, only the heads of them. And specific organizations, only the heads of them. The ones specifically allowed by the government. And if the government is already bought by companies, then it's just a matter of the right company pays the government and then has access to whatever this may be.

Cristina: Right, but why?

Jack: I don't know why. I'm just giving you the Law, okay, this is for the United States of America relative to all this crap. Now none of this is public knowledge and will not become public knowledge.

Cristina: Never. Like, not even like in five years or whatever.

Jack: It will not. There are advocacy groups that are trying to change the built in laws that make it so that this won't be public knowledge. Now, originally, when looking into the fetuses being stored, I came across a mention of the shipping container. I thought the story was about a shipping container, but it was about a storage unit. Oh, that's different. The storage unit is different than a shipping container. I was wrong in terminology.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, I, when I was looking at this, I came across the word shipping container. And I thought the story was about a shipping container, but it was about a storage unit instead.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So where did I hear shipping container? So I started looking into shipping container.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Yes, exactly. I started looking into shipping container. I'm like, wait, I did come across shipping container. Why is that? Why did I write this different?

Cristina: Over here there's a shipping container story. Is it the same story? Did another guy was like, I need money. Let me just. I don't know. Fetuses equal money. I don't know the math in this, but it seems like it's happening again somewhere else.

Jack: February 1, the same year. 1982.

Cristina: 1982. What was the other story? 19.

Jack: February 2, 1982.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: Where is this one in February 1, 1982? 12:00am Port of Portland in Portland, Maine. Okay, the total opposite side of the country.

Cristina: Portland is the opposite side of the country.

Jack: Maine. Portland, Maine is.

Cristina: Maine.

Jack: Maine is the. In the uppermost corner of the United States, upper right. A group of workers at the Port of Portland shipping port are loading shipping containers onto truck flatbeds. That'll be taken the next morning. They eventually got to one container that was absolutely too heavy to lift and they tried everything with their machinery. There was something weird about this container. So eventually they open it. Eventually they opened this container. And what they come across is because of privacy concerns, the only people allowed to know anything beyond this are government entities.

Cristina: So we don't know what it is.

Jack: We don't know what it is. That is as far as that got. Because I found this in the middle of a random document and every last bit beyond that point was redacted.

Cristina: Why? But why? The other story wasn't.

Jack: The other story didn't matter. This story mattered.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: But you think it's the same thing.

Jack: How? Why is it the same thing?

Cristina: You don't Think it's fetuses?

Jack: I haven't said it's fetuses, but I did come across this story about the.

Cristina: Shipping container about fetuses. Was public, that it was about fetus.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The other one was about fetus.

Cristina: So this one might not be fetuses.

Jack: It might not be fetuses. So I figure it's about fetuses. Right. Because the problem is the same restrictions are surrounding this as mentioned for fetuses.

Cristina: Essentially, but doesn't make sense because the other story, it was public.

Cristina: And we got to know this one is not exactly. So it doesn't feel the same. If fetuses is a thing they don't want us to know about, why would they let us know about it a day later somewhere else, a day later? That doesn't make sense. Why would they cover up one and not the other? Unless you have an answer to the difference between these two cases. If it is fetuses, think about what.

Jack: You have just said. I can tie this together theoretically in my theoretic opinion as to what happened. It is too obvious what happened here.

Cristina: What happened here.

Jack: Something happened on the first and they have a guy ready to be a fall guy.

Cristina: The fall guy is the one that, in the second case, the second day.

Jack: All that information is made public. That guy was just sitting on it, these other people stumble upon it and then it is fully removed. Why isn't this more widely reported? And why is all that redacted? And then the other one is immediately, the next day, completely across the country, just thrown into the public eye. That is what's absolutely weird, weirdest about these two stories. The fact that this second story has so much information removed and happened the day before.

Cristina: No, it doesn't make sense. I don't think it makes sense.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's the same story. Still the same story. It's two different stories. But they're like, we're not gonna this. Like why would they choose one over the other if it's the same? Like if one was important not to keep to share, the second one would definitely not. Why would they want to share that one too?

Jack: Because what's redacted is probably way more significant than anything.

Cristina: It was murder. I don't know. It has to be some kind of difference. There has to be a.

Jack: No, there is a difference. There's. I guess that's ultimately the point, right? Because if you dig far enough, you find a couple of interesting details. Now although the information that was found at that port isn't disclosed Trade routes are publicly accessible. And in 1982, on February 2nd, only one company changed on the pickup list. All the others companies were regularly picking up and delivering. So it was one company called Traverse. This is the only company that changed for February that wasn't on the listing as a regular. Every once a week. This person only shows up when this package shows up.

Jack: Now, and there was nothing on the Internet about any company called Traverse of any sort of. I looked, I tried to hunt a company named Traverse down.

Cristina: Mm. Nothing.

Jack: Nothing. Did not exist. But bullshit. I saw a mention somewhere. So looking deeper into it, Traverse shows up on the port again on the 2nd of every month.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know why it wasn't listed as regular if it shows up once a month, but it's essentially like they don't want it to show up on the regulars list.

Cristina: Even though it is.

Jack: Even though it is. This particular truck shows up once a month and doesn't show up on the regulars list while they have a list of regulars.

Cristina: Weird. Okay.

Jack: And look to see if this was common, if there was any other situation of any company that was picking up and delivering around that time that there was no, this is the one and only that seems to have broken the rule of its listed. Maybe a mistake, maybe a fluke, maybe it wasn't on the papers. Maybe it was a personal job, friendly, you know, like my brother in law drove in and he needs a quick job.

Cristina: Are they the ones that own this cargo thing?

Jack: So that's unclear. Unclear. But Traverse shows up on the 2nd of every month and every first on the listing is a similar unknown container with no data on it. Haha. Weird, right?

Cristina: Weird. But I don't know. I don't know, it's like, I don't know, there's so much not there.

Jack: What do you mean so much not there?

Cristina: Like I don't know what it means. Is it related to the other thing?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Look, what's, what's the picture you've got so far? What does it look like?

Cristina: We know there's dead fetuses on the other place, but I have no idea what they found.

Jack: Oh yeah, exactly. So forget what they found. Fine, what's. But what else is happening? Like based. What? Who cares what they found? What else do we know so far? Guide me through what's building in your mind.

Cristina: That's all I'm focused on. I don't know.

Jack: You're only worried about what's inside.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Well I can tell you Right now we're not gonna know.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: It's not gonna be clarified. Right.

Cristina: But we're not gonna learn anything about this company.

Jack: I'm going through it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Hopefully we're gonna know more as I'm going through it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I just know that this container shows up on the 1st of every month. Now, following public records from truckway stations, these are okay with truckway stations on the highway where trucks are making cross country deliveries. Trucks have to weigh themselves to not pass a certain amount of weight and not travel a certain distance within a certain amount of time.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I have no idea. This just. I guess for XY reasons. There's probably some logic behind it, but allows them. It allows to control manufacture. I guess it would be to stop monopolies. I guess that kind of makes sense, you know, because then you. Everybody would have to go at a certain pace and give other people chances. I don't know. I don't really know. But anyways. So those are truckway stations where they go to. It's a checkpoint that as a truck you have to go to. So you go to your truckway stations, you have little pass clears for you to continue traveling or whatever the case may be. And going following all the records of truckway stations, the Traverse company does show up again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And goes all the way to Sand Hills, Nebraska. That is the center of the country.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It goes from Maine to Nebraska to Nebraska, all the way to the center of the country.

Cristina: What for?

Jack: What for?

Cristina: Does it end up going cross country to California or what?

Jack: No, it stops in Nebraska. What's.

Cristina: What's in Nebraska? What's in Nebraska?

Jack: Searching random information in Sandhills, Nebraska. You find there is a private lab that has been active since 1967. The owner is an unknown individual and the type of research being conducted is undisclosed.

Cristina: That's not helpful. We have a guess on what's he doing.

Jack: Not even a little.

Cristina: You're guessing he has babies.

Jack: Maybe. This is interesting though.

Cristina: What's going on?

Jack: What do you think is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. Because we like. It could be anything. It could be anything. It could be penises. It could just be dead bodies.

Jack: Who cares what's inside the container? We have other information to work with.

Cristina: You think the government is hiding whatever this lab is doing?

Jack: Let me clarify that. The port of Portland in Maine is owned by Maine, not by a private company. Ports are publicly owned. On average, they're owned by the state that they're in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Usually named after the city they're in. It's a government job to work at the port.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So then the government is tied to this place.

Jack: The people who found this work for the government. It's government workers. They're working at the port. And the port is owned by Portland, Maine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then there's a huge effort to.

Cristina: Keep whatever a secret.

Jack: To keep whatever secret.

Jack: So what exactly is happening here? Right, so some guys find something in a shipping container and a shipping port, and they find it in Maine.

Cristina: They find it in Maine. Oh, yes. They find the main. Yes. And then they go to. Was it Nevaska?

Jack: Following the route that it takes. It goes to a lab in the middle of Nebraska. This lab in the middle of Nebraska has been active since 1967 doing undisclosed crap, owned by who knows, no name. No name.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In the middle of nowhere. Just some remote nowhere place in the middle of nowhere owned by some no one, no name guy doing who knows what.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This shipping container is unmarked on the listing and doesn't show up on a list of regulars that was being kept independently at that time, even though they.

Cristina: Use that port regularly, even though they.

Jack: Show up once a month.

Cristina: And the people that was there that discovered it, even like whatever they saw that wasn't shared, that wasn't public knowledge.

Jack: So the three individuals who happen to stumble upon this, they died?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The first guy completely disappears.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: One guy has a working accident, reportedly as a result of trying to lift this container with their machinery, and was injured in a way that put him in a coma.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And then the other guy happened to die because of the same scenario because.

Cristina: Of work related injuries to do with this.

Jack: So really you have one guy talked about what three guys experienced and it killed the other two, and then the other, the only guy who was still standing just disappeared? Yes. And the two who died as a result.

Cristina: Aliens? I don't know. That's so weird. Okay. Because they died supposedly on the job. Yes, at that same time.

Jack: Now this is what's interesting about this. Although this isn't heavily reported on, other than showing up in their public records of things that have occurred, it's weird to me that that still isn't. If you're suppressing all the stuff I.

Cristina: Was that there of them being injured.

Jack: On the job, being injured on the job, death relative to the container.

Cristina: Maybe they didn't find that suspicious, which is weird. That is so weird. I don't know. Why would they share that? It must really not have anything to do with the container. I would guess that that was really True. If they didn't hide that information, like, how does that make sense? Can you tell? Like, if it was a real, real secret, why would what happened to those guys not also be part of the secret? Would it was. Would it be too hard to cover that information up too?

Jack: What happened to the guys?

Cristina: Yeah, like why did any of that information get public?

Jack: That is the question, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why is that public? And what was in the container is not.

Cristina: What happened to them must have nothing to do with the container. I don't know. What do you think?

Jack: I don't know. They just got two killed on the job and one dude ran away or whatever as a result of.

Cristina: Why would they want that to be the story? I don't know. It sounds so suspicious, like, but on purpose at the same time. Like they want you to want to know what's really going on, but makes it feel like maybe there is no story here. Maybe it's a cover up to that second defeatist story.

Jack: To the second defeatist story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I feel that the second defeatist story is the COVID up. Keep in mind, I think you're missing the big picture here. A lot of this information has to be reported because there's other people working there. Unless you're gonna kill everybody.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So a lot of this information, there's other workers that might not have experienced, that are at least present enough to know that something's going on. This information has to be reported to a degree. The report was made before. Whoever decided this has to be expunged.

Cristina: But the whole story is it was too heavy. They open it. The end.

Jack: It was too heavy. They tried other things to lift it.

Cristina: And then they opened it.

Jack: Then they opened it. Also relevant to this. Also relevant to this, which is weird. The stories about this came out on the 5th. The stories about the injuries and the other guy came out on the six. Just. Just putting that out there as a different thing, I found what happened in the 5th. The 5th, February 5th of 1982. The stories of the guy, like the report in the document for Portland you read, he made it that he. That he made the discovery. Like that part was written into the document on the 5th. On the 5th. And this is labeled that. It's on that. Oh, on the. On the first we found this thing. This was written on the fifth. All this information was somebody. Their testimony made official on the 5th.

Cristina: And then.

Jack: And then on the 6 we get that one guy hurt, one died, and the other disappeared. As an additional piece of information on the six. What, as if they're One situation. Obviously I'm not saying anything. I'm just telling you that on the.

Cristina: 5Th and nothing weird like that happened after that though. What do you know if that they still do the same thing. This company and the shipping yard still go to them.

Jack: That is the right question. That is the right question. Because this question requires me to approach this story from a different angle. Because I had the same question. The shipping container stops showing up in 19. Where the h*** did the year go in 1985? 1985 the Traverse Company stops showing up.

Cristina: When did it on the list? When was the story?

Jack: This was 1982.

Cristina: 1982. And they stop in 1985.

Jack: In 1985 the Traverse Company stops showing up.

Cristina: Okay. Are they somewhere else?

Jack: The container continued arriving until 2019. 2019.

Cristina: Even though I'm confused, they just had a different person taking it to them.

Jack: Y I guess I looked. I saw nothing weird anywhere except the container.

Cristina: The container still same container. The same one container for the same medical place.

Jack: Unknown. No unknown. I don't know where it's going. I don't know who's picking it up to follow them.

Cristina: How do you know it's their container?

Jack: I see the container. Wait, what?

Cristina: How do you like. It's the same container that they found.

Jack: In 1985 in Portland, Maine. The container shows up again. The Traverse company stopped showing up. I mean. Wait. The Traverse Company stopped showing up in 1985 and since 1985 to 2019 the shipping container continued arriving. The same unnamed shipping container or I don't know if it's the same one, but one unnamed, unmarked, no information from who knows where. Shipping container would show up in Portland.

Cristina: Maine, but no one would take it anywhere like the rest of that story.

Jack: Don't know who takes it that way. I only know that the Traverse truck picked it up because the Traverse truck would show up on the 2nd of every month and the container would show up on the 1st of every month and they were packing the trucks that were going to be taken the next day. Meaning this truck trailer was going to be taken on the 2nd of February and the Traverse truck only shows up on the 2nd of February. Meaning this one unique unmarked container they were looking at that they had to open to know what was inside. That must be with the Traverse truck. The other unmarked, unknown, anything company was showing up for. That's how I can make that connection.

Cristina: But there's no name.

Jack: So I know that like there's at least one container that up until 2019 kept showing up at Port of Portland.

Cristina: Do you know where it was coming from, though, that, you know, it showed up there and then they took it to Neva, Nebraska.

Jack: To Nebraska.

Cristina: Where was it coming from?

Jack: That is the next part of this story. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I figured there must be a way to figure to find this out. Right. And trying to find how this works backwards because again, you're not necessarily connected to the container. They'll be like a company that would hire you, could be a delivery driver, so your name wouldn't show up, but you would get like a ticket or a piece of information that lets you know which container is yours. You would give that to a guy who would see the number or whatever and then give you sign a thing and then you leave with the container. Simple. So you don't have to be necessarily connected to a container yourself, Allowing there to be this cutoff between pickup driver and shipping container, making this exceptionally difficult.

Cristina: To find out what's going on.

Jack: Yes, to find out who owns what and where they're getting it and where they're sending it. Now, we don't. We're not necessarily allowed to know where these containers arrived from, but we're allowed to know who they have worked with. And in knowing who they have worked with, if they've worked with somebody who is public, then you're allowed to get that information the same. Hopefully they're being public. And if you go through all the public information, you come across an unmarked, unnamed, unknown owner shipping container that gets dropped off regularly from the St Thomas island, which is a property of the United States in the Virgin Islands.

Cristina: What's that island?

Jack: Virgin Islands.

Cristina: Interesting. You're saying that from an island.

Jack: From the Virgin. From the Virgin Islands, yes.

Cristina: Any stories over there about missing fetuses?

Jack: Well, we gotta look at first the bigger issue in the room which I need to display for you here, because you gotta understand the problem first because this gets a little weird and it doesn't make a lot of sense when you start thinking about it. Here. Main Maine, up here in the corner of the United States, the uppermost right is Maine, Nebraska. Let me see if I can find Nebraska for you on this map. Is it Nebraska right here?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why exactly didn't that arrive in California if it was anywhere else or. Because it's coming from. Now, keep in mind, this is before this map is the. Before we know where it's arriving from. Now after we know where it's arriving from. St. Thomas is down here. Why wouldn't it go to Florida? Why would it travel all the way to Maine, which is an additional 642 mile distance.

Cristina: Did you do that math?

Jack: Yes, yes, I did that math. It looked really absurd and I wanted to know what. What the h***?

Cristina: Why. Why would he go there?

Jack: Why would you go to the farthest possible destination to drop this off?

Cristina: Maybe it's closer to Nebraska.

Jack: No, Florida to Nebraska. It's the total trip from St. Martin. From St. Martin, from St. Thomas to. To Florida is shorter than the total trip from.

Cristina: But what is it from Florida to Nebraska versus Maine to Nebraska? That's what I'm asking about.

Jack: Oh, no, you're missing the point. This is on a boat. Oh, this is taking way longer on a boat. You're sending this on a boat. You want to go to Florida? If it's urgent, if it's pace, if you're doing efficient business. Yeah, but I still. I do think maybe. Yeah, I guess Maine might be closer. No, we might still be farther or they roughly the same distance, but I don't know that distance.

Cristina: But why the trip?

Jack: I don't know why the trip? Yeah, they travel an additional 640 some s*** miles to get to Maine and then go from Maine to Nebraska.

Cristina: Because Maine is like Nebraska. It's like the middle north. How populated is Maine versus like Florida?

Jack: I don't. It's not staying in Maine. What does that matter?

Cristina: Because it has to be super secret. They don't want everyone to know what's in there.

Jack: Oh, I guess Maine is remote.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah.

Jack: Fair.

Cristina: Would that make it the better choice? No, if it is something super secret.

Jack: Remote places everywhere. And it's going through a port. There's hella people there. That's how it got seen.

Cristina: Three people. That's not a h*** of deal.

Jack: There's people who just work for the government and live there. They're just.

Cristina: Do you have any idea why, though? That is very strange that they chose Maine over Florida.

Jack: I know. I don't know.

Cristina: And are there missing people in saints wherever?

Jack: Missing people, Infants or fetuses.

Cristina: Whatever. Whatever. It could be anything. It could be people. I don't know.

Jack: So I changed my focus and obviously now the point becomes looking at St. Thomas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where presumably I'd find the answers. And so missing dogs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so my initial thoughts are, right, this is what I'm going and looking for. I'm like, I'm gonna find some sketchy labs operating under some weird circumstances or just missing something. Or I' ma find an abortion clinic with a ton of clients Fl from places where it's like illegal or something.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: You know, some. Some logical Explanation to it except nothing at all stood out.

Cristina: Aliens?

Jack: Nothing at all stood out. This place is so average, it's. It hurts.

Cristina: You checked all their lore?

Jack: I checked a lot. Lore doesn't matter. This is 1982.

Cristina: It matters even more. Anyways, you think you found something?

Jack: St. Thomas is property of the United States. So I figured the records should be as public as all our records if they are from St. Thomas. So maybe I can find something in the public records instead of just through their news or whatever and looking. Just say this is instead of just, hey, what kind of businesses are here? What? No. What if I just look at some police records, skim through some odd background, ignored file type things, you know, skim through whatever is allowed.

Cristina: And was there anything good to look at?

Jack: So digging deeper into the St Thomas cargo and Shipping Services Inc. Which is owned by St. Thomas, I find the name Traverse again.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And I find cargo documents listed under fetuses.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: They just call it. They straight up say fetus.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Where are they getting all these fetuses from?

Jack: The person who labeled this as fetuses is the cargo evaluator. So this is a person who checks and confirms that everything in the containers is in fact what is inside. Inside the containers.

Cristina: But does that mean specifically human fetuses? Could it be like farm animal fetuses? Like.

Jack: Unclear, but presumably human fetuses.

Cristina: Because how. How does one island just make.

Jack: Well, yeah, it's because it's allegedly coming from a place so they're listed to be disposed of. And if the information about the abortion clinic is removed, obviously. But it's. It claims to be from an abortion clinic.

Cristina: One abortion clinic.

Jack: From abortion clinics.

Cristina: Oh, in that island. Island.

Jack: It claims to be from abortion clinics in that island.

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: Yeah, because this is an absurd amount. Yes, there's many under. We don't know how many, but you.

Cristina: Know, shipping can so heavy that they couldn't even lift the.

Jack: Exactly. There's a lot. So we have this shipping container, it's being delivered in a port and the port is coming from. Like it's sending it from St. Thomas. St. Thomas then has it in their own port, the port that's sending it out in the first place. And this port is sending it over there. And they're claiming after their evaluator goes through it that this is fetuses. So somewhere before it leaves here or after it leaves here, and before it arrives on the other end, we have lost the label of fetuses. So that information is being altered already. Keep in mind, this guy is giving it a title and the name on paper. But when we don't have the same container, like right here, we just have the information for this company. Yeah, it's just all here.

Cristina: So it's a real company.

Jack: Weird. You're missing another issue here. The people who pick it up are the people who sent it. The Traverse company is sending this.

Cristina: I don't understand. What? What? Where is it really coming from? It's not coming from this island, is there? Are they getting it from Maine? Is that what we're gonna find out? Or are they getting it from somewhere else? Where is it coming from? It's not from this island. Where is it coming from?

Jack: So the shipping container comes from Florida, comes through a privately owned port that the traverse company in St. Thomas picks up from, and it is the only truck that picks up from that company. The company has nothing. No markings, no nothing. I've looked on Google Maps to see. There's no details, no anything. It is just an indescript building. And it itself is a port. That's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's clarify this. A port sends a shipping container to St. Thomas's Port. Then this shipping container goes with full information from St. Thomas's Port, and all the data disappears by the time it reaches.

Cristina: What's the port that's taking it to St. Thomas?

Jack: It's in St. Thomas. Oh, there's an indescript port on that. On St. Thomas. Privately owned.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I could find no information on it. And the Traverse truck only goes there. It delivers nowhere else. It has two stops, whatever that place is. And Maine? No, not maine. And the St. Thomas port.

Cristina: Okay, but that port is also in St. Thomas. There's two.

Jack: Both of them are in St. Thomas. The St. Thomas port is called the St. Thomas port.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then this privately owned other port, the fetus port that fetuses arrive from.

Cristina: We have no idea where they're getting those fetuses. There's just a bunch of fetuses at a random island.

Jack: So trying really hard to find out what is up with this port that it's coming from, I come across.

Cristina: It's also a science lab.

Jack: A mention of an island named Little St. James. Little St. James. I'm like, what?

Cristina: The Little St. James that sounds familiar to you?

Jack: Sounds so familiar. I'm like, what the f*** is Little St. James? Animals. Anyways, I. I jump. I'm, like, bothered by this, but whatever. So I go in, I keep it, looking for information relative to the owners of the port before I chase down Little St. James. Some random name shows up as a co owner with a fuzzed out, you know, like unclear who the other guy is.

Cristina: Eins. Einstein. What's his name?

Jack: Einstein.

Cristina: Einstein what? No, the guy that killed himself. I already forgot his name.

Jack: Epstein. Literally. It was Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, 100 it was literally Jeffrey Epstein.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: He co owns a port in St. Thomas.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: I swear to God. Jeffrey Epstein. I swear to you. And on the side of the port, just off the coast exactly two miles is Little St. James, which is Jeffrey Epstein's island.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: I swear to you. Off of the coast of St. Thomas.

Cristina: He's getting the fetuses off his island.

Jack: And sending them f****** where, bro?

Cristina: This is so dreaded girl related. Why are you lying? Oh my gosh. It's so weird. I don't know how the first story wasn't, but this is for sure.

Jack: Yeah, the first story wasn't. That's what I told you. Wasn't related.

Cristina: Oh yeah. That doesn't. I mean it could relate somehow. I don't know.

Jack: No, like I had nothing to do. That was the COVID up for this s***.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Okay. So they have a bunch of children in the island that. There's some. I guess those children. No, because that's still too many fetuses. It still doesn't answer the question.

Jack: It's a harvest.

Cristina: How many?

Jack: It's a harvest. It's a harvest. What we know, what we were told is way, way, way lower than what's happening.

Cristina: There's way more children on that island.

Jack: The island is bigger than we think it is. It's deeper than we think it is.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. That's just too. It's just impossible to imagine that many fetuses that is so heavy that they couldn't open. I mean not open. They couldn't pick up container.

Jack: To establish that the containers within the traverse cargo documents as labeled by the cargo evaluator. The weight was on the high side, but it's because of the technology used to store the fetuses. Not because of the sheer quantity, but because of the way they were preserving them. Oh, those things.

Cristina: Okay, that makes more sense. Okay, so it doesn't. It's still probably a lot though.

Jack: It's still probably a lot.

Cristina: It's still probably a lot.

Jack: But there was a lot of technology inside the shipping container.

Cristina: Okay. What it really leads to that island. Really?

Jack: Yep. Also St. Thomas is the neighbor to Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico is the tip, the lower tip connecting the Bermuda Triangle. So if you want to send Something from Puerto Rico as well. You can get it to St. Thomas just as well. And it would blend in with this already existing system that seems to erase information. So if you were somebody from the water and you wanted to send something out to people who can make things Vanish, then whatever. St. Thomas is your place. This sounds like an adrenaline just died there. There's nothing else.

Cristina: Yeah, but like that's crazy.

Jack: There's a lot of loose ends. I'm not making any assumptions.

Cristina: No idea what's happening.

Jack: I have no idea what's happening. I know what these fetuses who are again, the fetuses aren't explicitly linked to Jeffrey Epstein.

Cristina: They are. They're for sure. What are you talking about?

Jack: His name is not on it.

Cristina: He co owns the port.

Jack: Yes. He does not co own the shipping container. The shipping container just happens to come through his port and the shipping container comes from where?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So again, there is no fact of the matter here. This is a nice clean job.

Cristina: I guess he's just the face. He's just the face of whatever really.

Jack: It just so happens to be that Jeffrey Epstein, the guy who owns an island in the direction that just so happens to have a port that he co owns, happens to send out a shipping container that he has no name relative to, but a company that is seemingly only exists for the purpose of delivering the one shipping container, then picks it up and drops it off at a local place with all information completely. They then are allowed to evaluate the cargo and then they do properly. All stored within their own information. It leaves their port and comes to another American port, but goes exceptionally far entering the top of the country where the information seems to have been edited probably by going to Maine in the first place. Maybe it's going to Maine in order to be edited and erased and all that information removed. And then it gets sent out from Maine to Nebraska where it goes to some unknown lab owned by some unknown guy doing some unknown things with a giant shipping container worth of fetuses that.

Cristina: Are arriving and no information about the lab.

Jack: No. But my conclusion would be that Jeffrey Epsina is a slab or somebody relative to him or some elite or some s*** somehow, one way or another.

Cristina: Okay, the story is crazy.

Jack: That's what I got.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Enjoy.

Cristina: It was really upsetting.

Jack: Yep. Cliffhanger. Enjoy.

Cristina: That's really, really awful. So awful.

Jack: But hey, I thought I found adrenochrome and so I tasted it. I got no confirmation, but no, but probably.

Cristina: It sounds there's something sketchy happening.

Jack: Something very sketchy. Anyways. If you guys want to give me your input on this information, feel free to send us messages relative to this stu on all our socials, that is at just convopod, on Instagram, on Tick Tock, on X and on Facebook.

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Cristina: Very educational. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

March 02, 2024

Rambling 264: The Journey to the Far East

March 02, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

On his way to Japan, where did Jesus stop? Why were these locations selected? What did he do while there? The duo unpack some of the inventions Jesus began developing on his way to Japan where he erects the Shinto Gates. What the duo discover by having all the data at once is more than either of them could have ever predicted.

+Episode Details

The Trip to Japan
The Stop in China
Creations while in China
The Purpose of these Inventions
Paper
Compass
Shinto Gates
What was the goal?

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Sam Foreign. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some absurd and baffling ideas to. To ground. Obviously what you think was gonna happen, bro, but not for Rizzles. Look, last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about how there was some stuff about, like.

Cristina: Were we not talking about Jesus?

Jack: We were talking about Jesus and how, like, Jesus had gone and been like a bunch of people.

Cristina: Oh. And he died. For reals.

Jack: For Rizzles. I think we found where he got involved. Died is a weird. In this case. But, you know, he transitioned.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: He transitioned when he was an elder man. He finally transitioned into a vampire. I don't know. I mean, I guess. You know what? I think he did that while he was alive.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or while he was here alive. His loose term at this point. Because death stops being possible at some point. You know, that's kind of the issue there. Death stops mattering. So he's not like, dead because he's.

Cristina: He's something else.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, beyond, I guess. That's crazy, right? That is what he's kind of doing. Transitioning. Because death is only a concept that exists within the earth realm, not the shadow realm or not logically for what we think of it in the earth realm as.

Cristina: Yes. You don't really know what it is. Like in the shadow realm.

Jack: Yeah. Like if we die in the earth realm and we just enter the shadow realm. That wasn't that.

Cristina: Is that what happens? That's what it seems like happens only.

Jack: For people who have adrenochrome, which that means it's some sort of code or something. Or for people who have. What was the other thing?

Cristina: Some people just stumble into.

Jack: Yeah, some people wandered in.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Dude, what a weird method. Series of mythological events that are written and, like, dude, it strings across. I was a. I got like, a whole plan. I got a whole plan for a discussion. But let me, like, vent and stress about this. It stretches across the world, dude.

Cristina: What stretches this.

Jack: This narrative about this series of events and these people referencing each other subtly. Dude. And I keep seeing it, and I comb through crap and I see a little bit here, a little bit there.

Cristina: And I'm like, what the.

Jack: Dude? Like, how did you random guy in a hole somewhere know about dude over there Mountain that He's never spoken to anybody simply because of some magical deity who communicated both of you. And then we got like. Like, yeah. Sometimes like the Bible is. Seems to be considering that there's other religions based around like weird. Real. Right. There's real weird and whole religions are based around it. And you're like, what the is this thing even supposed to be? But at least it's solid. The Bible is just science's perspective and narrative on it. Outside the point. The main point being the fact that this crap stretches across the world. And like two completely random individuals with factually recorded things. They wrote the same thing in two random locations because the same individual told them. And then we see it and it's like those men could not have talked to each other.

Cristina: That kind of logic from the Bible.

Jack: Or men from like other mythologies that have like, you'll find one that's all the way here in Shinto and you'll find another who's out here in Native American spiritualism.

Cristina: Okay. Talk about something similar.

Jack: The identical same thing. And they wrote it exactly the same way. And it described the same thing in their own language exactly the same way. That kind of weird consistency of like this could not be a coincidence, but like what's really going on. That kind of like that stretch across everything. But then when you follow the strings, it's not even like mystical. It's weird. And like, yeah, obviously there were people that were better than us in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like the. In the level of webbing across this whole. It just baffles me when I go through it farther and farther and farther. Like there's no end. It's real narrative. It seems if it was a right you would just come across the end of the story.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because somebody made it like the Bible has an end because it's a shaping of something. It's a telling of beginning, middle and then. Yeah. But not this. It really just seems like a random series of things all interconnected.

Cristina: Still going on.

Jack: Yeah. It's just life happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And us investigating by looking at how they put things and worded things in it. Cross referencing instead of assuming that they were all one. And then you get a story where they're really communicating and having the same messages and literally sometimes saying the literal same thing. And it's like, what across Earth from Maya to Egypt. Get the out of here. Dude.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy. Yeah.

Jack: It's like, dude. What? Absolutely nuts. Anyways. Following that same train of thought that we've been following forever. We're talking about Jesus and the different people he's been and just trying to exercise the idea of like how can we approach looking at Jesus? But in doing that and having that discussion, I realize we can actually follow those same things. Right. So instead of following that specifically the individuals, I looked at what those individuals were influencing. And that's going to be a discussion for another time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Those individuals being, you know, Mithras, Mani and those people. But what I thought was a more interesting path to follow is not the names he assumed, but where. Under these names, I suppose would be the idea where and what or not where what specifically what it is. Other things like the seismoscope that he made in China or they started making China. What other things of that nature are there? If he's out here being sciency, are there other things? That was the question I wanted to answer.

Cristina: Huh? Are there other things like he made things and left them in random locations?

Jack: Well, the problem is how do you find this information? Right? That's the biggest issue.

Cristina: He's not him. Like he has different names and. Different.

Jack: Yes, different. This is why going by. This is why following these names of Mithras and Jesus and it doesn't make any sense, especially because he's not recording anything and these narratives about him are incoherent anyways. We gotta find the other way. Who isn't talking about a messiah like individual and is describing a sciency individual. Like the guy who made the seismoscope. His story was very basic. It's. My grandfather had some sort of research partner who was a traveler and together they were trying to develop it. Not some religious messiah guy or anything. You got to keep in mind he was interacting with so many different people in different ways. There are people who saw him as one and that's the one we're most familiar with. Religions don't die, they keep going. But ideas change and alter and we don't necessarily know who discovered everything or who made everything or who invented whatever the h*** you know.

Cristina: So there's other places that he was just seen as some kind of scientist or ever. You found some of these things?

Jack: I found some of these things. I basically used the quantum computer and asked it to find me grounded occurrences of Jesus across, I guess the time when Jesus would have existed. Grounded occurrences. This is any description that would fit.

Cristina: So it's not actual Jesus. Like in these things. Maybe some of them have Jesus.

Jack: The problem is it wouldn't make sense for it to literally be called Jesus because one, we're talking different languages, two were talking people who weren't considering him any kind of God or deity of any sort. People who were working with them perhaps under even other aliases.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So essentially those mentions, every single one of these instances that we're gonna discuss right now fits the following. They all came from a traveler to the east. All of them, all of these specifically that we're talking about today were created in China. And all I guess, I guess we'll leave that last. That third detail is a secret for the end.

Cristina: Okay, but why is China the important part? Why is it all connected in China?

Jack: That's what we're gonna talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's hopefully what we can conclude. The trip, if you must know, goes as follow. It starts at Iran. I'm talking current day territories. But if you want to go old school, Persia, India. So it starts at Persia, stops in India, then stops again in China, then stops again in Japan. Right now we're focusing on one of these four, China and China, because China had. Whatever we're about to talk about.

Cristina: Okay. It's a lot.

Jack: It's interesting. It's a lot. What is a lot? We'll find out how we fill this hour out. So it's weird. Important details to know. Jesus began preaching when he was 30 years old and he allegedly got crucified around the time that he was 33 years old. That's three years of preaching.

Cristina: Okay. That's important.

Jack: That's information. Additionally, Jesus Christ, bare minimum, the slowest possible pace. I did the math. Walking, walking an average pace, walking without stopping. It would take you about 108 days worth of a straight 24 hours a day, non stop, no sleep. Right. If you divide the day into three sections in which you, you walk eight.

Cristina: Hours these days for.

Jack: To get from. Oh yeah, to get from all the way from Persia to Japan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you were to walk about 104 days of continuous. You don't sleep, you're droned. It doesn't stop.

Cristina: Okay. Also considering the travel through water.

Jack: Yeah, Just, just walking. If he can. I mean he can walk on water. Come on.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Walking.

Cristina: He's just walking through the water.

Jack: He's walking a straight line.

Cristina: Duh, duh.

Jack: Of course he could just walk there. So you can walk a straight line. Never mind the fact that we know in all of the mentions of him, he has the ability to essentially leave here and pop over there. So he has portal technology done. But shortest possible situation, he's walking. Right. I don't know how relevant this is, but it would take him between coming from Persia and Getting to Japan a continuous 108 days. If you were to break that up or. So you have about 300 and some days, which is about a year's time. You'd be walking for about a year. If you spent eight hours walking, you slept eight hours, and you just chillaxed for eight hours. Because how are you making influences if you're just always walking?

Cristina: That's gonna. That's just a year.

Jack: That's a year. In one year, he could successfully walk all the way to Japan and have 8 hours in each day to dedicate to walking. 8 hours in each day to dedicate to just hanging out wherever he is and sleeping in the area wherever he is.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Especially how, like that math can make sense. Once he's on the water, there's no. He's not sleeping.

Jack: Very little water. There's very little water.

Cristina: Okay, so he's making that trip quickly.

Jack: He could probably. I was actually thinking about this too, because how is he making these settlements of people who will forever be loyal to him, Assuming he's walking at this pace, just messing around with numbers. I know he can move faster than it, but if he was just moving at the pace of a human, then you'd mess with it sometimes with the timing. Right? You'd make like, oh, for a week, I'm like, every day nonstop push through, and I'll see how far I can get. And then the following week, I'm just gonna. Wherever I land, I'll have an entire week where I don't have to go anywhere. And I'm just gonna talk to people and build this thing because I gotta come back this way. And they're gonna be here for me when I do that.

Cristina: Where is he coming back?

Jack: He does come back, and he's gonna pop up anyways all the way out there in Japan. So he's gonna have to come back after he dies anyways, which is totally relevant, as I'll explain later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it takes him a year. It would take him a year. Less than a year, but almost a year to walk eight hours a day all the way to Japan, have eight hours to himself, or to do whatever he wants with and sleep eight hours. Meaning in those three years that he was preaching, every bit of these events is absolutely possible because they fit within the time frame of those three years. Okay, that's crazy. It was a realistic amount of time. He can stop. He can take time. He can talk.

Cristina: Stories of him preaching, they never said he leaves.

Jack: Not the ones that take place with him over Here. And they probably only take place with him in a brief amount of time. Which is the dumbest part about this whole process in the Bible because that means you were this whole everything. Essentially. Essentially. Let's picture this how it really goes. Yeah, how it really goes. Cuz we gotta also remember, Christianity is just the one that could. So it's the one that got confiscated to defend. But think about the logic. This guy didn't really give a s***. He made a bunch of random ones and Christianity just kind of took off. He had no personal stake in which one of these worked out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But we also zoned in on the one that he made work and it's like, well, we gotta twist that narrative and they're the ones spitting it out. So let's take over.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I don't know what the problem was.

Cristina: I forgot the point too.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, he could definitely arrange his week differently and had time to definitely control people. And if in this three year period he only spent one year in Israel, then like that still works because he traveled two years.

Cristina: You travel to you. Okay, okay.

Jack: Because it's a one way trip. That's two years it would take him. I mean it was a one way trip. This one year. It would take him two years to get to Japan and back from Japan.

Cristina: So are there any stories of these people that saw him again since he's going and then coming? Or is he going through different ways so he's never seeing the same people? This is a huge land to be crossing anyway.

Jack: No, I think he's crossing the same people. I think the point of these cults is that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So you have stories like that though.

Jack: Maybe at some point I'll come up with stories like that. But that's for when we're talking about the. The religious names that from last episode when we're actually going to dive into their influence independently and what those people thought he was capable of. Because right now we're talking about the inventions.

Cristina: Oh yes, let's do the inventions.

Jack: Yes. That's the point of right now. The inventions that this man in that two. And the point is within that two year he stopped in China and had enough time to on. I don't understand how he did this. Was he just handing out blueprints to random. We're interacting with people in this manner where he was messing with the schedule in such a way that allows him to. But also he's moving quite quickly. Yeah, look at how he's just walking. We're talking high tech has the ability to do quite a bit. Doesn't have necessarily Elysian technology to their degree, but is an Elysian himself.

Cristina: Why give anyone anything?

Jack: He doesn't have to give anyone anything. My point is, how quick is he moving? Is this year's time condensed? Could he do it in six months because of reasons. Because of transportation and so he could fit more and so he spent longer in different areas that we're like. Well, no, he had to figure it out.

Cristina: Travel like Santa Claus or something. Like, how is he doing?

Jack: He's op, dude. These are two OP people, the way he travels. But Santa Claus is more likely than not just using Elysian portals.

Cristina: I guess Jesus could be too.

Jack: Not even Alician portals. He's using necromancer portals.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because he's cutting through the top to make it across the world instantaneously. He's trying to get right back here, but without moving. So he. He had some other s***.

Cristina: So Jesus can't be doing that.

Jack: I mean, he could be, but it's not. Jesus could, but then he wouldn't have.

Cristina: To go to every single spot. He could just go from where he was to Japan in one.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Here's the true fact about that. That he did in fact have to travel, right? So he doesn't have instant travel the way that some Malaysian zoo or Santa Claus or other. Yeah, yeah. At least not at this point in the story, as far as it goes. So he had be traveling from one to the other in this order, which is why there are these stops between the two points. There are two other points. And that's like. Okay, so he paused. In other places he rested. He needed to relax and stop. Assuming he moved faster than. Yeah, he had way more time and he spent way more time in places because again, that year is only really about a year, and it's only really about a 300 and like 25 days or so. Okay, so there. If you were to say a whole year, then you still have like two months left or something like that, you know, so that's nice. There's a lot of time to be flexible with. But how is he traversing this land to begin with anyways? He traversed it enough to come up with stuff. And that is the primary point here.

Cristina: That's what I want to know.

Jack: We get to China, and for whatever reason, this man decides to talk to some people and he. I don't even understand. All right, so in 105 AD China, the invention of paper happened. I didn't know this fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now, it was created by a man, Kyle Luna, who claimed an Eastern monk shared their revelation with his grandfather.

Cristina: If that sounds familiar. Yes, pretty much the same story as the other dude. I think it was his dad.

Jack: But still, that's why the year 105 matters. Jesus wasn't there maybe at 05.

Cristina: So his grandpa met a traveler.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: And through his revelations he said, yeah.

Jack: That the man had revelations that he was just trying to come up with. I mean, I'm using wording that gets passed down and like it's a game of telephone. So this can't be accurate. But ultimately what they believe they said was that and. Yeah, the invention of paper.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Mm. So a man named Kai Lun developed paper alongside some Eastern monk who was just passing by. And they, you know, in his revelatory conversations with an Eastern monk, it came to him. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, Paper.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know what that first paper was made from?

Jack: Yeah, it was made out of a bunch of random ingredients. He had a whole process that involved tree bark and involved some salt, some this and that, and blend, crush and blend it. And then he would let it soften and then he'd have like a flexible thing after you squeeze it. But it's a very familiar story.

Cristina: Yes, yes, it is.

Jack: Now, digging deeper into the same story. There was a lot of controversy around this story.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: One, it was quickly taking over the world the moment it got created. But before that moment happened, because every paper is everywhere. But before that moment happened that it was taken everywhere, there was one issue with it, a really weird issue that doesn't even make a lot of sense, and it's that there were conspiracies, that this was a way to suppress or hide information.

Cristina: Paper, paper.

Jack: Now, this becomes kind of accurate when you consider that oftentimes they were writing information on tablets and paper were thin, that you could hide easily, so you can conceal a lot of information. Interesting.

Cristina: What? It's very strange.

Jack: Very strange. Very strange.

Cristina: So people thought it was paper was a conspiracy?

Jack: Yes. Not only was paper a conspiracy. Now allow me to rewind back. If you follow paper being a conspiracy, you find out that 20, 30, 40 years back, for whatever reason, somebody tried to introduce something very similar to paper. And again the same problem arises, this fight back of people think this is a way to suppress information, or somebody does.

Cristina: That's so strange. I wonder how. Why, what's going on? I mean, I guess too like that makes sense, but it's such a strange thought to be so fearful of it. I don't know, but it makes sense because it makes sense because Everything, every technology is like that. TikTok came out and everyone's like, the government is gonna do stuff to us or whatever. China. So the Chinese people had conspiracies on China too. Or these people outside of China, like, ooh, those papers. That's dangerous.

Jack: I don't know if the people outside of China have this problem. I have no idea. Although there were arguments about that that I did come across.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, well, there were instances that were very similar and some quite relevant, but otherwise, it's the idea of that paper is ultimately being used conceal information. Now, across all of these Chinese and essentially many Asian provinces and areas, generally speaking, between China and Persia there, there's a lot of ground there and a lot of people there. And there is almost nothing through any of it. It's just a black hole of no, nothing, nothing anywhere between point A and then before you start getting into oriental areas and then that's where suddenly, oh, yeah, history is still around and stuff like that. But before that, like that whole area leading until you start looking at weird things like paper and you find out that although, yeah, no, there's nothing about any significance in any of these countries until you get back to Iran and you find out their fight with paper was the same.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, there was a lot of. Well, paper is gonna be a way to undermine the authorities and be able to hide information from the authorities.

Cristina: So who's more scared, though? Is it people thinking the government's gonna use paper to keep secrets from them or the government thinking people are gonna keep secrets from them with paper?

Jack: I don't know what government thinks this. That's my only question. What do you mean, what government believes paper is going to be used to.

Cristina: Hide in this past? The conspiracy thing you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, but I'm trying to figure out what government that is. Why are they scared of paper? Well, there is an answer to that question.

Cristina: What is the answer?

Jack: But the answer is not in obvious places. The answer actually goes all the way back to Egypt.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Well, in Egypt, there was a slight mention once in a weird hieroglyphic tablet with scribbles on it. And the deciphering of what's on there essentially breaks down to use paper to trade and then an unknown unquote to symbols that look like a computer and radio waves coming from it. Now, can you tell me what that means?

Cristina: No, I have no idea. That sounds like gibberish. I don't know. Are they predicting the future?

Jack: No, they're saying newspaper to hide from being tracked.

Cristina: They're using a computer as a symbol.

Jack: Yeah. There's a box that looks like a screen and then three dashes that look like radio waves. But the part they can break apart easily is use paper to trade and then you got what's obviously just a computer. So trade to avoid what? What are those other two things? That's obviously a computer to avoid being tracked. Now this is insignificant. It doesn't make any sense outside of context. And we have no context except over here on the other side of the world. Or not the other side of the world, but farther west from that point or east, I guess east. Farther east from that point we get to China and they have the same fear from the people's perspective. Keep in mind these things written were from high society in Egyptian culture. So they were saying it from the point of view of the people who knew people were trying to hide information. So from our point of view and reading it there, it doesn't seem like anything. What are you talking about? Sheets of paper and then gibberish. Something that doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Did the Egyptians not trust the.

Jack: No, the Egyptians know that people were using paper to hide some information. This also probably enlightens us on how some individuals managed to steal information. It was more likely than not doing it through primitive untrackable means because all the technology was easily trackable. Now pull this back slightly and tell me what is the weirdest part about the one piece of tech we do know Jesus made? It's non electronic and does everything really complicated electronic technology does.

Cristina: How does that relate though?

Jack: It cannot be tracked because it does not have an electrical magnetic signal. If I were to run a regular earthquake detection system, you could tell I'm running that because I need energy for it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not for the seismoscope. But also that same logic applies to paper.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If I'm moving data and information in a technologic kind of way, then there's probably some sort of trace, but not if it's with paper. You'd have to see me holding the page and read what's on it.

Cristina: And the idea is that he made the paper or he helped someone make this paper.

Jack: They knew that this was possible. Yes. Time secrets from the government to hide secrets in general. I think Jesus was hiding among very people who were being observed by these high society individuals who were trying to find Jesus.

Cristina: Was it really at the end of the day, not.

Jack: Egyptians and the Alicians.

Cristina: Relations, all that stuff?

Jack: Yeah, probably. I think Jesus was just living among those. I think he was finding out ways because Again, if they have this ability to traverse land so easily and to get anywhere, to get to the other side of the earth, nonetheless, like China is nothing that's next door.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they can watch, they can observe, they can get anywhere they need to. So he needed to invent ways which takes us to Shinto gates, which happen in Japan. This isn't related to the rest of the things on here, but the Shinto gates that happen in Japan, which are essentially what, another way to move outside of things they're used to. A Shinto gate has no electric field. He somehow figured out how to just build a thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And no energy. You couldn't find it. You gotta know exactly where it is. How many are there? If you built one in the middle of f****** nowhere, how would. How would anybody know? He figured he kept finding ways, okay. To make non electric things. They had the exact same function that electric things had. Deletion. Somehow evolved without paper. Because.

Cristina: Very strange. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, but when you think about it, we had a culture here that we're aware of current time, that also essentially evolved without the usage of paper. And it was the story, the people who tell stories and knots. Their entire language, their writing, their ideology, all of it is captured in knots that they make on strings, and that is writing equivalent. They communicate this information. They look at it and instantaneously see all the nuance and know what it means.

Cristina: It's complicated. Okay.

Jack: And those people evolved without paper, without variety, written language without word. It was unnecessary. And we keep thinking in the dumbest way as possible, but the. One of the reasons there might not be Elysian writing is because the Elysians didn't f****** evolve using writing. Duh.

Cristina: They're using something else to share their information. Yeah, because we know they were sharing their information. So you're saying it's not the way we think.

Jack: They were sharing information, while the people they shared it with used the way they were familiar with. Which was. Well, you know, these guys had hieroglyphs and they did that thing. And these guys liked paintings and they did that thing.

Cristina: We have no idea what the Elysians actually gave that was telling this information.

Jack: They did. The Alicians had a way of communicating. Presumably the Elysians learned how to speak, at least in these languages, or had some method of bridging communication. I don't think it was random. Then again, the way. I don't know. Because the way Lucifer makes it sound like it's like, throw it out there and see what happens.

Cristina: So what are they? Like, maybe they. I Don't know. It's too complicated. I don't know, because now I'm thinking, like, what if they're telepathically sending these things to other people? Like, we don't know how they work.

Jack: No, I don't think it's telepathic. I think it's definitely some kind of physical thing that's taking place. The other. The only other example we have is still a physical thing. The knots, the Brazilian people who. Not things like. That's still physical. I'm sure they have a physical thing. They do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We just can't think of anywhere like, oh, yeah, it's obvious or whatever.

Cristina: It'll never be obvious. I don't know. Unless there's a story out there that says something.

Jack: No, I don't know. I haven't looked at that. But, like, how would we. I would need a reference point. Everything happens when I have the right reference point. Right. So we know it looks like secrecy. Living in secrecy makes perfect sense so far based on what we're looking at. So we got paper, we got the Shinto gates, we got the earthquake detector, and then we have a compass.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The compass has an unknown inventor to it. There were stories about where the schematics to create the thing in the beginning came from. It's believed to have happened about 150 AD that it was finally pieced together, but it's unclear exactly where it was found. Somewhere between 100 years earlier. So the schematics to make it. Now, there were stories about the schematics before they found the schematic somebody. So narratives about the schematics moved forward about a thing that could allow you to navigate.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And these thing. And this thing that allowed you to navigate. There was a whole detailed blueprint on how to build it. And it disappeared. And people talked about it, sailors talked about it, and they talked about a traveler who was an inventor. And he was just someone wandering. A wanderer described specifically as a traveler or a wandering teacher from the east.

Cristina: Okay. So another Jesus.

Jack: Another guy who seems to fit the idea. Around the same period of time with the same kind of mentality. This dude seems to be traveling. And weirdly enough, he reminds me a lot of Antonio Draco.

Cristina: Who's that?

Jack: With Alicorn?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think it was kind of just drifting about too, wasn't it?

Cristina: I guess. But he seemed more normal because he went through some weird adventures.

Jack: Yeah. To him, all this was crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was like, holy. What's happening around me? This thing is crazy. I need to study it. Oh, my God. People want it.

Cristina: Yeah. And I think he ends up dying.

Jack: Yeah. He just dies because of this thing. Like there was no good. It. Only bad things came from this miracle thing, which also. I didn't even think about that. That's totally the fact of the matter for that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only horrible. That was the moral of that story. I didn't even think about it. Since he touched this, nothing but a storm was unleashed on him that didn't stop until he literally died. It took him through war. It took him through needing to create an entire secret society because people are actively trying to murder him for it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Assassins and spies, people actively. Just full armies coming from random directions for you for this thing. It sucks to have alicorn.

Cristina: Yes, it does. Yeah. He died. I don't know. There was no good story. I mean, it was good to the people that he used it on, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: The random people.

Jack: Yeah. He totally. He helped people regularly.

Cristina: But, yes, he ended up dying from it.

Jack: If you keep it, you'll die with.

Cristina: It, which makes no sense because it's supposed to help keep you alive.

Jack: That's a weird one, right? Because as long as you have it, people are gonna come for you because they want that power.

Cristina: I guess that's. Yeah. Like, he didn't die of natural causes, I think. Right.

Jack: Got murdered.

Cristina: Got murdered. Yeah. Like maybe it would keep you alive forever as long as no one.

Jack: But, like, how? How you can't. You. How do you keep this a secret forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever. Like you're gonna. Somebody's coming for you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the biggest problem. So there's no being at peace with this thing. It's like you're trading peace of mind for power. That's a trade off. Because somebody could take the power from you. And you're gonna try weird. Anyways. This compass made by Jesus or by this guy who fits a very Jesus, like this.

Cristina: The wandering traveler teacher guy. Yeah.

Jack: What makes this compass absolutely most interesting of all was when you look at what they believed it could be. It could do originally. And then I'm gonna start to explain how these other things work together.

Cristina: They work together. What? Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. Now, the compass is believed to be a more advanced version of a primitive Middle Eastern technology, which was particularly great for travelers in uncharted lands and sailors because it allowed navigating where you were not familiar with by always knowing which direction was north.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. The particular language that matters there is that. It's very useful for knowing where you are when you don't know where you are. Sounds casual enough, but very important because.

Cristina: He doesn't know where he is. Continue.

Jack: Well, if we pair this alone with the Shinto Gate, is that a way. He's literally gonna bring himself back. He can navigate to where it is. He knows how to track the location of these gates. And the compass is a literal tracking mechanism that requires no electricity. And he can use on both sides to get right back to wherever the f*** he wants.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you're saying it works on both sides.

Jack: Gentle Gate uses no tech and he can use a no tech compass to get to the Shinto game. Interesting. Yes.

Cristina: What? But then how do you come. How do you fit the paper into this?

Jack: Well, the paper is. There's a lot of messages being across and everything we're talking about are schematics. Were schematics recorded in these ways for the Elysians? Or is he intentionally teaching people how to write so that he can create the tech in schematics that can't be tracked, like compasses, like.

Cristina: So he can find those schematics without them worrying about them getting to them.

Jack: He can make the schematics in ways that are harder for. They can't be tracked. They have to find the paper themselves. Okay, you can't track the paper. There's no signal. It's just paper. And he's teaching people how to use paper instead of them developing into using whatever technology thing or easier to track other way. The Elysians developed with. Although the Aletians are familiar with the ways developing by the Egyptians and the way developing by the Mayans and local civilizations. But the way that made it most efficient was this paper thing. But at the time it wasn't. At the time it was particularly controversial.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the people who were trying to stop it were probably the elation because it's not their thing. And it's harder to have information like detect information.

Cristina: Man. I think that's right.

Jack: That makes sense. Right?

Cristina: That makes sense. Yes.

Jack: Now we gotta sprinkle a little something on top of us because we add this other part and then we gotta think about it a little bit. You have an earthquake detection machine, the seismoscope. How does that fit?

Cristina: Do you have any idea? I have no idea.

Jack: Guess, guess.

Cristina: Okay. How. Why would he need to know? I don't know. Does it have to do with the Elysians? Do they travel? I don't. I don't know. It's really hard to guess about. It seems too random. Like where Can I go?

Jack: Use imagination. You have no guessing ability for something that creates.

Cristina: Not creates, that knows when an earthquake is coming.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How he relates to all this other stuff.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Besides in Japan, because it's. There's earthquakes. Fair.

Jack: Okay. So looking into the seismoscope, this one was really complicated one because a lot of people wanted to be the first to write about this. There's a lot of different information. Essentially the same information written differently. Rather. So it stands out when somebody writes differently. When all the mentions of the same thing are so similar. Right. So it was likely not originally made to detect earthquakes, but rather detect other things underground or in the water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And somebody was generous enough to try to explain it. With a strong enough impact, you can bounce a vibration off of another object and it will be detected by the seismoscope like a distant earthquake, thus telling you in which direction.

Cristina: It's either to find the lesions or hide from. Still hide from them because like you know where they're coming from. You can go the opposite way type of thing.

Jack: I think it was a portable device. I think it was to find.

Cristina: I think he was a tracker. Whoa.

Jack: I mean, I think he had a non electric way to track them. He had non electric ways to move information amongst people. He had non electric ways to move in uncharted territories and find his way back in. Electric ways to find his way between realms.

Cristina: Is there any proof that he did find them?

Jack: I have no doubt.

Cristina: I wonder. Because like that's. If he has that, then what does that really mean to the Elysians? If he can just track them down and he has no problem traveling on water. So weird. You just find them and then what? But then what? That's the big question is that the.

Jack: Idea is the goal to find them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why. Why go to India and I there. Well, what. What do you account. Did you find them? Were they in India?

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure it was to find them? It doesn't make sense.

Jack: I know. I'm not sure. It was to find them.

Cristina: Or maybe it doesn't make sense. I don't know. It's all random. It's also random.

Jack: I don't know. I know these inventions have a very similar individual in a very similar circumstance interacting with people and then these people later work them out.

Cristina: Yes, but there's no connection.

Jack: There's no literal connection between any of them. They are just random individuals who are essentially just talking about a guy who happens to fit a very similar description. A very similar instance at around a very similar time. The end.

Cristina: No, like what was his actual plans? What does he want to do besides go to the other side? Okay, he goes to the other side. He dies over here though. Like, what does it mean?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Does he want to find them?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. He finds his way back. He can share information. The. The seismoscope is a weird one because why do you need to track them or what, what are you doing?

Cristina: Or maybe he's trying to avoid them. But I don't know why he would want to avoid them either. But it seems like they're both trying to track each other. So maybe there is some trying to avoid as well. I don't know. They can't both be trying to track each other. If they're trying to track him, then he has to be trying to hide from them.

Jack: No, I think they knew where he was a lot of the time. I think he was doing things while there because it also doesn't seem like they were particularly bothered for the majority of his life. They're like, whatever dude. Like as long as you're not here, fine. But like then it became an issue as he started like running his mouth and.

Cristina: And once he's making this thing though, like, why didn't they know? Like, oh crap, this. He's. He's.

Jack: How would they know?

Cristina: Oh yeah, they can't track it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: How would they know? He found a way to do everything undetected. None of it required any detection form that has. Which tells us a lot of the technology is definitely electricity based. What is like we. The Elysian technology. We know that a lot of their technology has always been electricity based and requires electrical magnetic fields and radio signals. Which is essentially what you're avoiding with paper.

Cristina: Yeah, they're very sci fi.

Jack: Yeah. So it's very things we're landing at now. Which then brings up a lot of questions about how are we getting to exactly that. Get the f*** out of here. Now there's that question of like, are we ourselves reaching there because of.

Cristina: No, I don't think. Because we're so different from our technology. Isn't the same as our technology either.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: So. So no Fair, fair.

Jack: I think building blocks maybe basic ideas that led to the whole.

Cristina: But it looks different.

Jack: It has to. And it has to be influenced by us. It'd be best if we're developing by ourselves. That's the whole zoo hypothesis.

Cristina: Except if you made Paper. Then he influenced us.

Jack: Yeah. Any of this s***. All of this crap. The ability to compass. You know how exaggeratedly overpowered a compass is? He changed reality with that one.

Cristina: He changed reality with the paper and.

Jack: Yeah, with a paper. That's crazy. Yeah, with both of those. It's crazy. All these got the same instance. That's definitely the same dude.

Cristina: He changed humans evolution.

Jack: But so did the Elutions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Deletions might have made human civilization, although it was a process combined between whatever the h*** yelled about then.

Cristina: Yeah, it's complicated.

Jack: Yeah. Or I guess the real product was the Elysians from Yellow Balance. And then we're the product from the Alicians. That's the right series of events. So basically there are gods, but science gods.

Cristina: Yeah, Sounds right.

Jack: So what do we think this is for, man? We know the papers to hide information because of the two separate mentions of that. We know the earthquake detection system. Well, we don't know s*** about that one. We know the compass is used for a plethora of things and it helps people traverse unknown territories. And water, which is particularly important. Water. Now that the seismoscope with the compass, let's say you have a boat.

Cristina: And maybe he has his own underwater base that we don't know about. I don't know why, but, like, what if there's another story that we haven't found yet about another civilization that lives in the water?

Jack: There isn't. The Alicians.

Cristina: Yes. Like maybe it sounded like the Elysians, but it's just not in the right location that they would be in. So you just thought like, oh, it's just Elysian stories. Even though the location's not right, like.

Jack: It doesn't check out.

Cristina: Yeah. Like how the Mayans not on the line. Was it the Mayans?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I think you should maybe try to look back into that. Maybe. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: The. Beyond the line.

Cristina: No. Of like, are there other stories of underwater cities?

Jack: No, I have looked at that. That's how I found most of what I found by trying to find how many similar instances there are, regardless of where they might be. You can zero in on the location by kind of, oh, yeah, they're from over here. They're from.

Cristina: And all of them were in the same location, though not all of them.

Jack: Are in the same location. But also a lot of people have no idea where the f*** they're coming from. So a lot of people were just kind of making it up a lot of the time. I think him from the sky. It's like, well, that's up. How do we go from there? You know, like didn't come from over there, they came from up. So it's like a lot of this is unreliable. It's just most likely you're talking about the same looking people who have the same kind of thing. You're probably meaning the same people. You don't really know where they came from.

Cristina: But Jesus might have some secret base or something too.

Jack: Why would he need one?

Cristina: Why would he need one? Where would he be hiding?

Jack: Why is he hiding?

Cristina: Why is he hiding? I don't know.

Jack: Who is he?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: Why is he hiding?

Cristina: Because they. They're out to get maybe. I don't know.

Jack: No, they literally get to him and kill him. And he was like way up front and like blunt about it the whole.

Cristina: Way, but then he came back. Yeah, he's more powerful than ever.

Jack: And I don't know if he's more powerful than ever. But he's unkillable at that point, apparently.

Cristina: So I think they got something to worry about.

Jack: That he's unkillable. That just makes him annoying.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay.

Jack: That just means he's a bug and they can't get rid of him. But back to the point, what the h*** is this seismoscope for? This is so weird that he made that thing or was trying to figure out how to track something in space.

Cristina: What if you use this technology in space? Can you do that?

Jack: Could it work in space the way it works in water? Does it need gravity? I think it needs gravity to work. I don't think it would work in space.

Cristina: Do you think it works in the Shadow Realm?

Jack: No. No, I don't think it would exist in the Shadow Realm if you were.

Cristina: To take it over there. It wouldn't exist.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think it's physical in the same way.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I think the Shadow Realm works a little too differently. That's why knowing how to mix things is a whole thing of its own. You got to be able to somehow interact with this other thing and I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. What is he doing?

Jack: I don't know. Man. It's really weird. Again, we have the ability to pass information and secrecy, communicate using anything you want, especially schematics for these things. And we have Shinto gates to come back from the Shadow Realm and we have compasses to be able to navigate. The question is, can you take the compass? I mean, I guess if that's the case then you can take the seismoscope. But what the f*** would you be looking for with the seismoscope in the shadow realm? I don't know.

Cristina: But like why would we know even like if there was a plan, why would we know the plan?

Jack: I think the Shinto gate. Shinto gate is a one way thing. There's not it. Which means the seismoscope. You can't build it here and take it there.

Cristina: No, but it was for those things over there to come over here. So maybe he needed it for when they got here. He needs them.

Jack: He's who's coming through.

Cristina: Maybe he wants other things through too.

Jack: Like I don't know.

Cristina: Other shadow realm creatures.

Jack: For what? Huh? Conclude your thoughts.

Cristina: I don't know. Why? I'm just saying like maybe like who else would need that him besides him? I don't know.

Jack: Why would so randomly you're just applying this to like some random individual would use it for what? If we have it to find him. To find who?

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Jesus built it. How are you gonna find Jesus with a thing that's gonna detect something based on vibration? And you need to make an impact to begin with. The exact description is you need a big enough impact that's going to bounce the vibration off of a different object. And this is going to detect it.

Cristina: He is. I don't know. Then he's looking for them. He has to be. I don't know.

Jack: I think he's looking for the Elysians.

Cristina: That's the only thing. What else is there that they're looking for?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I definitely do find this really weird.

Cristina: There's something that needs to be found. I don't know what it is.

Jack: He's tracking something for sure.

Cristina: The apples? No. But they're not underwater. Are they underwater?

Jack: And this is just in China. Minus the Shinto gates. The Shinto gates just so happens to be connected. Because the problem is in India and Persia. Many, many, many narratives of these religious individuals then getting through China. Less of it. Less, less, less, less, less. And then very sciency science. Science Y But the more west we go again it gets very religious. Until we start making it all the way literally into the core of the Persian Gulf and then heading farther towards Egypt and those locations. Then it starts getting sciency again. There's an intentional religious center there. And I just find that a curious fact. I don't know why. And became sciency again. And I don't know it was very intentional or There was no point to making science in those regions or the resources required to do it weren't present or something. I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. Because isn't more on what the people saw. Like it wasn't him doing anything. Like maybe me.

Jack: Fair enough. At this point, you would argue that he wasn't even trying to convince anybody of anything. He was just traveling.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There were a few things that mattered to him and the rest were just random things he was doing walking through.

Cristina: Yeah. Like some of them saw these miracles. But maybe like the other people, maybe they didn't. They looked past the miracles. They're like, look at all the science stuff.

Jack: Maybe many people didn't even see miracles. Maybe they just saw a guy come through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If he's traveling. Yeah. Anyways, you guys can let us know what you think about any of this stuff of this random. Same description wanderer. That shows.

Cristina: What is he doing with that paper?

Jack: No, not the paper with the seismic. That's a really weird one.

Cristina: Yes, that. That's really the weird one.

Jack: Anyways, if you want to let us know what ideas you have on this stuff, you guys can message us on our socials on TikTok, on Instagram, on. On X and Facebook @justconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Tell people about El Programa and they will come and listen to all of these very educational, factual. Everything that we're talking about is totally not made up.

February 24, 2024

Rambling 263: Christ's Goal

February 24, 2024/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jesus want followers? What was the point of his teachings? Do we know where he went? The duo unpack the first layer of Jesus’ intentions, focusing primarily on motive, teachings and plan. A discussion that reveals much more than the duo anticipated!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Jesus Christ
Lessons and Teachings
Possible Aliases
Intentions
Contradictions and Explanation
Beginning and Ending

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast