Rambling 265: Fetuses and Containers
/What was inside the container? Who was responsible? What does it mean? The duo investigate a strange rumor about a container that might be linked to a familiar substance. What they discover is note quite what they expected to find!
+Episode Details
- Investigator Jon Doe
- Storage Unit Company
- 15,000 Fetuses
- Reasons and Speculation
- The Shipping Container
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+Transcript
Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, oh, boy, was there some baffling idealing that was being idea'd recently. Oh, my God, were they ideas? So baffled and Ling, Ling, Ling.
Cristina: What does that even mean?
Jack: Don't question me.
Cristina: Are they your ideas?
Jack: No. No. Some guy much smarter than me, probably wearing a suit, had these ideas, and he said these ideas. So therefore, we all believe this guy. And. And. And not only was he a guy with a suit, but he would randomly switch that suit for a lab coat. So he's twice as important. He's not just a dude in a suit. He's a dude sometimes in a suit, sometimes in a lab coat, so he's extra important.
Cristina: Is he someone we know?
Jack: No idea. Just some guy none of us have ever met. And he wrote some words and we just believe it and we listen.
Cristina: You have a name? No, but, you know, he was wearing a lab suit and a regular suit.
Jack: Yeah, occasionally.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Anyways. Anyways, so I got something interesting to tell you today, and it's a bit of a road. It's a bit of a doozy. Right. So I need to set the stage for this first. The year was 1982. February. Los Angeles, California. Sunny. Woodland Hills. Nice little neighborhood, nice little area. Okay.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: A journalist who goes by John Doe for the purposes of the situation, because he actually did not disclose his information relative to this. There are just credible sources who have claimed this, and this has been reported up to where I will give you at least.
Cristina: Is he the guy in the suit?
Jack: There's no guy in a suit. I don't know who that guy is.
Cristina: No, he has nothing to do with it.
Jack: No, that's unrelated. Okay, so a journalist who goes by John Doe, he comes across a weird, peculiar piece of information, suggesting that the missing object he has been looking for is located in a. Like, he zeroed it on and he found where it might be. Most likely what he's looking for is, weirdly enough, a collection of fetuses. Many, many, many missing fetuses.
Cristina: He. He lost the fetuses. I'm confused.
Jack: No, he's a journalist. He's hunting these fetuses down.
Cristina: He just knows that they're missing.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Who is reporting them missing? Is it hospitals?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: All Right.
Jack: So he's out here collecting information as to. He thinks there's a case here. He thinks there's a case. He thinks this is important. He's, like, missing. Is it. I don't know. It's fetuses. People killed.
Cristina: Is it a vampire?
Jack: People killed these babies. They're like, hey, we're okay with murder.
Cristina: Are these, like, missing babies? Like, people were giving birth to children, to babies, and then those babies would go missing?
Jack: No, no, no. Those are complete babies. Those aren't fetuses. Those are just humans.
Cristina: These are.
Jack: I mean, like, aborted babies.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Aborted babies.
Cristina: Aborted babies were gone. Had gone missing.
Jack: Yes. So it seems to be that they've been being skimmed off of the top of a collective, essentially, or something of that nature. And so this guy's been following it. Weird.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He's chasing fetuses.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Anyways, he finds that these fetuses that he's been looking for have most likely been being diverted by one individual. Melvin Weisberg.
Cristina: We have a name. Who's that guy?
Jack: Melvin Weinsberg is the owner of a local storage unit company named the Weisberg.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Storage. The Weisburg Garage. My bad. It's called the Weisburg Garage.
Cristina: He has the babies.
Jack: He seems to be. It seems to be getting lost along him.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: He managed to find out where they're all tied before they disappear.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like, what contact they all have before they go missing and was him. But he instantly. Instantly upon coming across this name and connecting who it is and what the guy owns and what he's looking for, he's like, oh, my God. Because the guy owns a storage unit. Like, you just piece together how stupid this is already. What, he owns storage units and there's missing fetuses?
Cristina: Yeah. So he has them in a few hours.
Jack: He's just stuffing them somewhere. Presumably. At least that's why this guy's thinking. Right.
Cristina: So how, though? Like, he's stealing them while he's supposed to be transporting them?
Jack: Yeah, it seems to be that he's claiming he's gonna transport, but he's too lazy or something. But essentially the. Our John Doe, he just comes to this conclusion quickly and he's like, f***, this sucks. And further investigating reveals that it's essentially true they were all being stored there. There are upwards of 15. 15,000 fetuses that are found. Yes. Many that are found at the storage yard.
Cristina: Is it all, like, throughout the country or something? Like, how do you. What is that number? Is that a normal number for a day? Or year. What is it? I don't know.
Jack: For what nefarious purposes was this here?
Cristina: I don't know. You have answers to that?
Jack: I do.
Cristina: And it has to do with the guy himself who owns this place.
Jack: Yes. The answer is very, very, very simple. It turns out he's a crazy, lazy guy who took a lot of jobs that he did not know how to handle. He claimed they knew how to dispose of this, then found out there was a lot of laws restricting. He's just an idiot. He's just an idiot.
Cristina: Now stop lying.
Jack: I swear to you, when you. And when you and I first heard of this, and I was like, I am going to find how this is proof and how this connects to the one thing. I swear to God. I started there. I was like, this is going to connect to a dream. It has to be. It has to be adrenochrome. But it turns out this guy just took way too many contracts and he had no idea what to do with any of this.
Cristina: Can you buy that?
Jack: Well, yeah. This guy was. They were all just status. They were messed up, useless. If anything, he's who you'd hate if you loved adrenochrome because he just let your product mess up.
Cristina: What was his goal?
Jack: Like, money. And it's like, then he was like. But at least he owned the storage unit, and he had many units.
Cristina: What did he. Like, what was his plan, though? He must have had a. He had no plan. It was like, I'm just gonna. I don't understand. There's like.
Jack: No, no. The craziest part is these fetuses were collected. Keep in mind, this is 1982. These fetuses were collected actually, for many years.
Cristina: Oh, my God.
Jack: For many years. He'd gotten away with just storing the fetuses over time.
Cristina: No one.
Jack: That's why it's so many.
Cristina: What was. What was he gonna do when he ran out of room?
Jack: There was no plan here.
Cristina: Was he gonna sink it?
Jack: He'd actually gone, like, 10 years without getting caught, so. Oh, he stopped caring.
Cristina: He's like, whatever. Someone, like, smell it.
Jack: No, they're contained.
Cristina: But once it's filled, then what's his plan? Just hide it?
Jack: I mean, I guess I'm assuming he had the one logic of, I'll cross that road when I get there.
Cristina: He never did. He did.
Jack: That's how we know. And then he went to prison. The end.
Cristina: Do we know if he, like, sunk some in the ocean maybe?
Jack: Nothing. No, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. It was. It was like a storage unit. Nevertheless, Just a building. He had a building with storage units. And he would just like. Okay. And. Yeah, nothing. Absolutely nothing.
Cristina: So disturbing.
Jack: Yeah. And it's not disturbing. It's just dumb.
Cristina: It is dumb.
Jack: It is very dumb. And I swear the story was gonna go somewhere super epic.
Cristina: How does it not, though? Because we have to buy what he's saying. Like, I don't know.
Jack: There's nothing, Nothing else to argue here. It was just like really blatantly.
Cristina: Were those bodies investigated?
Jack: They were just fetuses all in containers. There was nothing. They're just stored.
Cristina: Disturbing.
Jack: Okay, so that's where we are.
Cristina: That's ridiculous.
Jack: Yeah, that's very disappointing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So now originally I was gonna try and chase that story down, being sure it was connected to adrenochrome. That was the goal.
Cristina: Yeah. But it's not.
Jack: But then I just kept. I kept, I tried, I dug. I was like, this is a cover up or something. I'm like, I'm sure I could find something. No, this is just a crazy guy.
Cristina: And you know how much he made?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: But what I did find instead were a couple of interesting details. According to the laws regarding fetuses and abortions in the United States, only the government and key individuals. These are organizations that are not some nonprofits and some for profit organizations that have access to information relative to. To fetuses. I'll elaborate. The information includes knowledge of where the fetuses are kept. Only the government and two or three organizations in general. And the people within them know. Just specific people. Knowledge of where fetuses were acquired, the excuses, the safety of the parent of the individual who got the abortion. That's fine, that's great. But because of this, you can't disclose where you've acquired fetuses. Next, knowledge of how these fetuses are going to be used. Because you got to protect the scientists who are doing the science, allegedly. So we are not allowed to know how any of these are being used.
Cristina: But the government gets. No.
Jack: With government. Yes, I know. Specific. That's crazy. And knowledge of how many fetuses have been collected. So we don't have a number on this.
Cristina: They do.
Jack: They do. So to clarify this, specific government bodies, only the heads of them. And specific organizations, only the heads of them. The ones specifically allowed by the government. And if the government is already bought by companies, then it's just a matter of the right company pays the government and then has access to whatever this may be.
Cristina: Right, but why?
Jack: I don't know why. I'm just giving you the Law, okay, this is for the United States of America relative to all this crap. Now none of this is public knowledge and will not become public knowledge.
Cristina: Never. Like, not even like in five years or whatever.
Jack: It will not. There are advocacy groups that are trying to change the built in laws that make it so that this won't be public knowledge. Now, originally, when looking into the fetuses being stored, I came across a mention of the shipping container. I thought the story was about a shipping container, but it was about a storage unit. Oh, that's different. The storage unit is different than a shipping container. I was wrong in terminology.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Well, I, when I was looking at this, I came across the word shipping container. And I thought the story was about a shipping container, but it was about a storage unit instead.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: So where did I hear shipping container? So I started looking into shipping container.
Cristina: Oh yeah.
Jack: Yes, exactly. I started looking into shipping container. I'm like, wait, I did come across shipping container. Why is that? Why did I write this different?
Cristina: Over here there's a shipping container story. Is it the same story? Did another guy was like, I need money. Let me just. I don't know. Fetuses equal money. I don't know the math in this, but it seems like it's happening again somewhere else.
Jack: February 1, the same year. 1982.
Cristina: 1982. What was the other story? 19.
Jack: February 2, 1982.
Cristina: Stop lying.
Jack: Where is this one in February 1, 1982? 12:00am Port of Portland in Portland, Maine. Okay, the total opposite side of the country.
Cristina: Portland is the opposite side of the country.
Jack: Maine. Portland, Maine is.
Cristina: Maine.
Jack: Maine is the. In the uppermost corner of the United States, upper right. A group of workers at the Port of Portland shipping port are loading shipping containers onto truck flatbeds. That'll be taken the next morning. They eventually got to one container that was absolutely too heavy to lift and they tried everything with their machinery. There was something weird about this container. So eventually they open it. Eventually they opened this container. And what they come across is because of privacy concerns, the only people allowed to know anything beyond this are government entities.
Cristina: So we don't know what it is.
Jack: We don't know what it is. That is as far as that got. Because I found this in the middle of a random document and every last bit beyond that point was redacted.
Cristina: Why? But why? The other story wasn't.
Jack: The other story didn't matter. This story mattered.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Exactly.
Cristina: But you think it's the same thing.
Jack: How? Why is it the same thing?
Cristina: You don't Think it's fetuses?
Jack: I haven't said it's fetuses, but I did come across this story about the.
Cristina: Shipping container about fetuses. Was public, that it was about fetus.
Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The other one was about fetus.
Cristina: So this one might not be fetuses.
Jack: It might not be fetuses. So I figure it's about fetuses. Right. Because the problem is the same restrictions are surrounding this as mentioned for fetuses.
Cristina: Essentially, but doesn't make sense because the other story, it was public.
Cristina: And we got to know this one is not exactly. So it doesn't feel the same. If fetuses is a thing they don't want us to know about, why would they let us know about it a day later somewhere else, a day later? That doesn't make sense. Why would they cover up one and not the other? Unless you have an answer to the difference between these two cases. If it is fetuses, think about what.
Jack: You have just said. I can tie this together theoretically in my theoretic opinion as to what happened. It is too obvious what happened here.
Cristina: What happened here.
Jack: Something happened on the first and they have a guy ready to be a fall guy.
Cristina: The fall guy is the one that, in the second case, the second day.
Jack: All that information is made public. That guy was just sitting on it, these other people stumble upon it and then it is fully removed. Why isn't this more widely reported? And why is all that redacted? And then the other one is immediately, the next day, completely across the country, just thrown into the public eye. That is what's absolutely weird, weirdest about these two stories. The fact that this second story has so much information removed and happened the day before.
Cristina: No, it doesn't make sense. I don't think it makes sense.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: Because it's the same story. Still the same story. It's two different stories. But they're like, we're not gonna this. Like why would they choose one over the other if it's the same? Like if one was important not to keep to share, the second one would definitely not. Why would they want to share that one too?
Jack: Because what's redacted is probably way more significant than anything.
Cristina: It was murder. I don't know. It has to be some kind of difference. There has to be a.
Jack: No, there is a difference. There's. I guess that's ultimately the point, right? Because if you dig far enough, you find a couple of interesting details. Now although the information that was found at that port isn't disclosed Trade routes are publicly accessible. And in 1982, on February 2nd, only one company changed on the pickup list. All the others companies were regularly picking up and delivering. So it was one company called Traverse. This is the only company that changed for February that wasn't on the listing as a regular. Every once a week. This person only shows up when this package shows up.
Jack: Now, and there was nothing on the Internet about any company called Traverse of any sort of. I looked, I tried to hunt a company named Traverse down.
Cristina: Mm. Nothing.
Jack: Nothing. Did not exist. But bullshit. I saw a mention somewhere. So looking deeper into it, Traverse shows up on the port again on the 2nd of every month.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I don't know why it wasn't listed as regular if it shows up once a month, but it's essentially like they don't want it to show up on the regulars list.
Cristina: Even though it is.
Jack: Even though it is. This particular truck shows up once a month and doesn't show up on the regulars list while they have a list of regulars.
Cristina: Weird. Okay.
Jack: And look to see if this was common, if there was any other situation of any company that was picking up and delivering around that time that there was no, this is the one and only that seems to have broken the rule of its listed. Maybe a mistake, maybe a fluke, maybe it wasn't on the papers. Maybe it was a personal job, friendly, you know, like my brother in law drove in and he needs a quick job.
Cristina: Are they the ones that own this cargo thing?
Jack: So that's unclear. Unclear. But Traverse shows up on the 2nd of every month and every first on the listing is a similar unknown container with no data on it. Haha. Weird, right?
Cristina: Weird. But I don't know. I don't know, it's like, I don't know, there's so much not there.
Jack: What do you mean so much not there?
Cristina: Like I don't know what it means. Is it related to the other thing?
Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Look, what's, what's the picture you've got so far? What does it look like?
Cristina: We know there's dead fetuses on the other place, but I have no idea what they found.
Jack: Oh yeah, exactly. So forget what they found. Fine, what's. But what else is happening? Like based. What? Who cares what they found? What else do we know so far? Guide me through what's building in your mind.
Cristina: That's all I'm focused on. I don't know.
Jack: You're only worried about what's inside.
Cristina: Yes. Yes.
Jack: Well I can tell you Right now we're not gonna know.
Cristina: Of course.
Jack: It's not gonna be clarified. Right.
Cristina: But we're not gonna learn anything about this company.
Jack: I'm going through it.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Hopefully we're gonna know more as I'm going through it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I just know that this container shows up on the 1st of every month. Now, following public records from truckway stations, these are okay with truckway stations on the highway where trucks are making cross country deliveries. Trucks have to weigh themselves to not pass a certain amount of weight and not travel a certain distance within a certain amount of time.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: I have no idea. This just. I guess for XY reasons. There's probably some logic behind it, but allows them. It allows to control manufacture. I guess it would be to stop monopolies. I guess that kind of makes sense, you know, because then you. Everybody would have to go at a certain pace and give other people chances. I don't know. I don't really know. But anyways. So those are truckway stations where they go to. It's a checkpoint that as a truck you have to go to. So you go to your truckway stations, you have little pass clears for you to continue traveling or whatever the case may be. And going following all the records of truckway stations, the Traverse company does show up again.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And goes all the way to Sand Hills, Nebraska. That is the center of the country.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It goes from Maine to Nebraska to Nebraska, all the way to the center of the country.
Cristina: What for?
Jack: What for?
Cristina: Does it end up going cross country to California or what?
Jack: No, it stops in Nebraska. What's.
Cristina: What's in Nebraska? What's in Nebraska?
Jack: Searching random information in Sandhills, Nebraska. You find there is a private lab that has been active since 1967. The owner is an unknown individual and the type of research being conducted is undisclosed.
Cristina: That's not helpful. We have a guess on what's he doing.
Jack: Not even a little.
Cristina: You're guessing he has babies.
Jack: Maybe. This is interesting though.
Cristina: What's going on?
Jack: What do you think is going on?
Cristina: I don't know. Because we like. It could be anything. It could be anything. It could be penises. It could just be dead bodies.
Jack: Who cares what's inside the container? We have other information to work with.
Cristina: You think the government is hiding whatever this lab is doing?
Jack: Let me clarify that. The port of Portland in Maine is owned by Maine, not by a private company. Ports are publicly owned. On average, they're owned by the state that they're in.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Usually named after the city they're in. It's a government job to work at the port.
Cristina: Oh, okay. So then the government is tied to this place.
Jack: The people who found this work for the government. It's government workers. They're working at the port. And the port is owned by Portland, Maine.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then there's a huge effort to.
Cristina: Keep whatever a secret.
Jack: To keep whatever secret.
Jack: So what exactly is happening here? Right, so some guys find something in a shipping container and a shipping port, and they find it in Maine.
Cristina: They find it in Maine. Oh, yes. They find the main. Yes. And then they go to. Was it Nevaska?
Jack: Following the route that it takes. It goes to a lab in the middle of Nebraska. This lab in the middle of Nebraska has been active since 1967 doing undisclosed crap, owned by who knows, no name. No name.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: In the middle of nowhere. Just some remote nowhere place in the middle of nowhere owned by some no one, no name guy doing who knows what.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This shipping container is unmarked on the listing and doesn't show up on a list of regulars that was being kept independently at that time, even though they.
Cristina: Use that port regularly, even though they.
Jack: Show up once a month.
Cristina: And the people that was there that discovered it, even like whatever they saw that wasn't shared, that wasn't public knowledge.
Jack: So the three individuals who happen to stumble upon this, they died?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: The first guy completely disappears.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: One guy has a working accident, reportedly as a result of trying to lift this container with their machinery, and was injured in a way that put him in a coma.
Cristina: What?
Jack: And then the other guy happened to die because of the same scenario because.
Cristina: Of work related injuries to do with this.
Jack: So really you have one guy talked about what three guys experienced and it killed the other two, and then the other, the only guy who was still standing just disappeared? Yes. And the two who died as a result.
Cristina: Aliens? I don't know. That's so weird. Okay. Because they died supposedly on the job. Yes, at that same time.
Jack: Now this is what's interesting about this. Although this isn't heavily reported on, other than showing up in their public records of things that have occurred, it's weird to me that that still isn't. If you're suppressing all the stuff I.
Cristina: Was that there of them being injured.
Jack: On the job, being injured on the job, death relative to the container.
Cristina: Maybe they didn't find that suspicious, which is weird. That is so weird. I don't know. Why would they share that? It must really not have anything to do with the container. I would guess that that was really True. If they didn't hide that information, like, how does that make sense? Can you tell? Like, if it was a real, real secret, why would what happened to those guys not also be part of the secret? Would it was. Would it be too hard to cover that information up too?
Jack: What happened to the guys?
Cristina: Yeah, like why did any of that information get public?
Jack: That is the question, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Why is that public? And what was in the container is not.
Cristina: What happened to them must have nothing to do with the container. I don't know. What do you think?
Jack: I don't know. They just got two killed on the job and one dude ran away or whatever as a result of.
Cristina: Why would they want that to be the story? I don't know. It sounds so suspicious, like, but on purpose at the same time. Like they want you to want to know what's really going on, but makes it feel like maybe there is no story here. Maybe it's a cover up to that second defeatist story.
Jack: To the second defeatist story.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I feel that the second defeatist story is the COVID up. Keep in mind, I think you're missing the big picture here. A lot of this information has to be reported because there's other people working there. Unless you're gonna kill everybody.
Cristina: No.
Jack: So a lot of this information, there's other workers that might not have experienced, that are at least present enough to know that something's going on. This information has to be reported to a degree. The report was made before. Whoever decided this has to be expunged.
Cristina: But the whole story is it was too heavy. They open it. The end.
Jack: It was too heavy. They tried other things to lift it.
Cristina: And then they opened it.
Jack: Then they opened it. Also relevant to this. Also relevant to this, which is weird. The stories about this came out on the 5th. The stories about the injuries and the other guy came out on the six. Just. Just putting that out there as a different thing, I found what happened in the 5th. The 5th, February 5th of 1982. The stories of the guy, like the report in the document for Portland you read, he made it that he. That he made the discovery. Like that part was written into the document on the 5th. On the 5th. And this is labeled that. It's on that. Oh, on the. On the first we found this thing. This was written on the fifth. All this information was somebody. Their testimony made official on the 5th.
Cristina: And then.
Jack: And then on the 6 we get that one guy hurt, one died, and the other disappeared. As an additional piece of information on the six. What, as if they're One situation. Obviously I'm not saying anything. I'm just telling you that on the.
Cristina: 5Th and nothing weird like that happened after that though. What do you know if that they still do the same thing. This company and the shipping yard still go to them.
Jack: That is the right question. That is the right question. Because this question requires me to approach this story from a different angle. Because I had the same question. The shipping container stops showing up in 19. Where the h*** did the year go in 1985? 1985 the Traverse Company stops showing up.
Cristina: When did it on the list? When was the story?
Jack: This was 1982.
Cristina: 1982. And they stop in 1985.
Jack: In 1985 the Traverse Company stops showing up.
Cristina: Okay. Are they somewhere else?
Jack: The container continued arriving until 2019. 2019.
Cristina: Even though I'm confused, they just had a different person taking it to them.
Jack: Y I guess I looked. I saw nothing weird anywhere except the container.
Cristina: The container still same container. The same one container for the same medical place.
Jack: Unknown. No unknown. I don't know where it's going. I don't know who's picking it up to follow them.
Cristina: How do you know it's their container?
Jack: I see the container. Wait, what?
Cristina: How do you like. It's the same container that they found.
Jack: In 1985 in Portland, Maine. The container shows up again. The Traverse company stopped showing up. I mean. Wait. The Traverse Company stopped showing up in 1985 and since 1985 to 2019 the shipping container continued arriving. The same unnamed shipping container or I don't know if it's the same one, but one unnamed, unmarked, no information from who knows where. Shipping container would show up in Portland.
Cristina: Maine, but no one would take it anywhere like the rest of that story.
Jack: Don't know who takes it that way. I only know that the Traverse truck picked it up because the Traverse truck would show up on the 2nd of every month and the container would show up on the 1st of every month and they were packing the trucks that were going to be taken the next day. Meaning this truck trailer was going to be taken on the 2nd of February and the Traverse truck only shows up on the 2nd of February. Meaning this one unique unmarked container they were looking at that they had to open to know what was inside. That must be with the Traverse truck. The other unmarked, unknown, anything company was showing up for. That's how I can make that connection.
Cristina: But there's no name.
Jack: So I know that like there's at least one container that up until 2019 kept showing up at Port of Portland.
Cristina: Do you know where it was coming from, though, that, you know, it showed up there and then they took it to Neva, Nebraska.
Jack: To Nebraska.
Cristina: Where was it coming from?
Jack: That is the next part of this story. Right?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So I figured there must be a way to figure to find this out. Right. And trying to find how this works backwards because again, you're not necessarily connected to the container. They'll be like a company that would hire you, could be a delivery driver, so your name wouldn't show up, but you would get like a ticket or a piece of information that lets you know which container is yours. You would give that to a guy who would see the number or whatever and then give you sign a thing and then you leave with the container. Simple. So you don't have to be necessarily connected to a container yourself, Allowing there to be this cutoff between pickup driver and shipping container, making this exceptionally difficult.
Cristina: To find out what's going on.
Jack: Yes, to find out who owns what and where they're getting it and where they're sending it. Now, we don't. We're not necessarily allowed to know where these containers arrived from, but we're allowed to know who they have worked with. And in knowing who they have worked with, if they've worked with somebody who is public, then you're allowed to get that information the same. Hopefully they're being public. And if you go through all the public information, you come across an unmarked, unnamed, unknown owner shipping container that gets dropped off regularly from the St Thomas island, which is a property of the United States in the Virgin Islands.
Cristina: What's that island?
Jack: Virgin Islands.
Cristina: Interesting. You're saying that from an island.
Jack: From the Virgin. From the Virgin Islands, yes.
Cristina: Any stories over there about missing fetuses?
Jack: Well, we gotta look at first the bigger issue in the room which I need to display for you here, because you gotta understand the problem first because this gets a little weird and it doesn't make a lot of sense when you start thinking about it. Here. Main Maine, up here in the corner of the United States, the uppermost right is Maine, Nebraska. Let me see if I can find Nebraska for you on this map. Is it Nebraska right here?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Why exactly didn't that arrive in California if it was anywhere else or. Because it's coming from. Now, keep in mind, this is before this map is the. Before we know where it's arriving from. Now after we know where it's arriving from. St. Thomas is down here. Why wouldn't it go to Florida? Why would it travel all the way to Maine, which is an additional 642 mile distance.
Cristina: Did you do that math?
Jack: Yes, yes, I did that math. It looked really absurd and I wanted to know what. What the h***?
Cristina: Why. Why would he go there?
Jack: Why would you go to the farthest possible destination to drop this off?
Cristina: Maybe it's closer to Nebraska.
Jack: No, Florida to Nebraska. It's the total trip from St. Martin. From St. Martin, from St. Thomas to. To Florida is shorter than the total trip from.
Cristina: But what is it from Florida to Nebraska versus Maine to Nebraska? That's what I'm asking about.
Jack: Oh, no, you're missing the point. This is on a boat. Oh, this is taking way longer on a boat. You're sending this on a boat. You want to go to Florida? If it's urgent, if it's pace, if you're doing efficient business. Yeah, but I still. I do think maybe. Yeah, I guess Maine might be closer. No, we might still be farther or they roughly the same distance, but I don't know that distance.
Cristina: But why the trip?
Jack: I don't know why the trip? Yeah, they travel an additional 640 some s*** miles to get to Maine and then go from Maine to Nebraska.
Cristina: Because Maine is like Nebraska. It's like the middle north. How populated is Maine versus like Florida?
Jack: I don't. It's not staying in Maine. What does that matter?
Cristina: Because it has to be super secret. They don't want everyone to know what's in there.
Jack: Oh, I guess Maine is remote.
Cristina: Exactly. Yeah.
Jack: Fair.
Cristina: Would that make it the better choice? No, if it is something super secret.
Jack: Remote places everywhere. And it's going through a port. There's hella people there. That's how it got seen.
Cristina: Three people. That's not a h*** of deal.
Jack: There's people who just work for the government and live there. They're just.
Cristina: Do you have any idea why, though? That is very strange that they chose Maine over Florida.
Jack: I know. I don't know.
Cristina: And are there missing people in saints wherever?
Jack: Missing people, Infants or fetuses.
Cristina: Whatever. Whatever. It could be anything. It could be people. I don't know.
Jack: So I changed my focus and obviously now the point becomes looking at St. Thomas.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Where presumably I'd find the answers. And so missing dogs.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay, so my initial thoughts are, right, this is what I'm going and looking for. I'm like, I'm gonna find some sketchy labs operating under some weird circumstances or just missing something. Or I' ma find an abortion clinic with a ton of clients Fl from places where it's like illegal or something.
Cristina: Awesome.
Jack: You know, some. Some logical Explanation to it except nothing at all stood out.
Cristina: Aliens?
Jack: Nothing at all stood out. This place is so average, it's. It hurts.
Cristina: You checked all their lore?
Jack: I checked a lot. Lore doesn't matter. This is 1982.
Cristina: It matters even more. Anyways, you think you found something?
Jack: St. Thomas is property of the United States. So I figured the records should be as public as all our records if they are from St. Thomas. So maybe I can find something in the public records instead of just through their news or whatever and looking. Just say this is instead of just, hey, what kind of businesses are here? What? No. What if I just look at some police records, skim through some odd background, ignored file type things, you know, skim through whatever is allowed.
Cristina: And was there anything good to look at?
Jack: So digging deeper into the St Thomas cargo and Shipping Services Inc. Which is owned by St. Thomas, I find the name Traverse again.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And I find cargo documents listed under fetuses.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: They just call it. They straight up say fetus.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Where are they getting all these fetuses from?
Jack: The person who labeled this as fetuses is the cargo evaluator. So this is a person who checks and confirms that everything in the containers is in fact what is inside. Inside the containers.
Cristina: But does that mean specifically human fetuses? Could it be like farm animal fetuses? Like.
Jack: Unclear, but presumably human fetuses.
Cristina: Because how. How does one island just make.
Jack: Well, yeah, it's because it's allegedly coming from a place so they're listed to be disposed of. And if the information about the abortion clinic is removed, obviously. But it's. It claims to be from an abortion clinic.
Cristina: One abortion clinic.
Jack: From abortion clinics.
Cristina: Oh, in that island. Island.
Jack: It claims to be from abortion clinics in that island.
Cristina: There's no way.
Jack: Yeah, because this is an absurd amount. Yes, there's many under. We don't know how many, but you.
Cristina: Know, shipping can so heavy that they couldn't even lift the.
Jack: Exactly. There's a lot. So we have this shipping container, it's being delivered in a port and the port is coming from. Like it's sending it from St. Thomas. St. Thomas then has it in their own port, the port that's sending it out in the first place. And this port is sending it over there. And they're claiming after their evaluator goes through it that this is fetuses. So somewhere before it leaves here or after it leaves here, and before it arrives on the other end, we have lost the label of fetuses. So that information is being altered already. Keep in mind, this guy is giving it a title and the name on paper. But when we don't have the same container, like right here, we just have the information for this company. Yeah, it's just all here.
Cristina: So it's a real company.
Jack: Weird. You're missing another issue here. The people who pick it up are the people who sent it. The Traverse company is sending this.
Cristina: I don't understand. What? What? Where is it really coming from? It's not coming from this island, is there? Are they getting it from Maine? Is that what we're gonna find out? Or are they getting it from somewhere else? Where is it coming from? It's not from this island. Where is it coming from?
Jack: So the shipping container comes from Florida, comes through a privately owned port that the traverse company in St. Thomas picks up from, and it is the only truck that picks up from that company. The company has nothing. No markings, no nothing. I've looked on Google Maps to see. There's no details, no anything. It is just an indescript building. And it itself is a port. That's weird.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Let's clarify this. A port sends a shipping container to St. Thomas's Port. Then this shipping container goes with full information from St. Thomas's Port, and all the data disappears by the time it reaches.
Cristina: What's the port that's taking it to St. Thomas?
Jack: It's in St. Thomas. Oh, there's an indescript port on that. On St. Thomas. Privately owned.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I could find no information on it. And the Traverse truck only goes there. It delivers nowhere else. It has two stops, whatever that place is. And Maine? No, not maine. And the St. Thomas port.
Cristina: Okay, but that port is also in St. Thomas. There's two.
Jack: Both of them are in St. Thomas. The St. Thomas port is called the St. Thomas port.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And then this privately owned other port, the fetus port that fetuses arrive from.
Cristina: We have no idea where they're getting those fetuses. There's just a bunch of fetuses at a random island.
Jack: So trying really hard to find out what is up with this port that it's coming from, I come across.
Cristina: It's also a science lab.
Jack: A mention of an island named Little St. James. Little St. James. I'm like, what?
Cristina: The Little St. James that sounds familiar to you?
Jack: Sounds so familiar. I'm like, what the f*** is Little St. James? Animals. Anyways, I. I jump. I'm, like, bothered by this, but whatever. So I go in, I keep it, looking for information relative to the owners of the port before I chase down Little St. James. Some random name shows up as a co owner with a fuzzed out, you know, like unclear who the other guy is.
Cristina: Eins. Einstein. What's his name?
Jack: Einstein.
Cristina: Einstein what? No, the guy that killed himself. I already forgot his name.
Jack: Epstein. Literally. It was Jeffrey Epstein. Yes, 100 it was literally Jeffrey Epstein.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: He co owns a port in St. Thomas.
Cristina: Stop lying.
Jack: I swear to God. Jeffrey Epstein. I swear to you. And on the side of the port, just off the coast exactly two miles is Little St. James, which is Jeffrey Epstein's island.
Cristina: No way.
Jack: I swear to you. Off of the coast of St. Thomas.
Cristina: He's getting the fetuses off his island.
Jack: And sending them f****** where, bro?
Cristina: This is so dreaded girl related. Why are you lying? Oh my gosh. It's so weird. I don't know how the first story wasn't, but this is for sure.
Jack: Yeah, the first story wasn't. That's what I told you. Wasn't related.
Cristina: Oh yeah. That doesn't. I mean it could relate somehow. I don't know.
Jack: No, like I had nothing to do. That was the COVID up for this s***.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. Okay. So they have a bunch of children in the island that. There's some. I guess those children. No, because that's still too many fetuses. It still doesn't answer the question.
Jack: It's a harvest.
Cristina: How many?
Jack: It's a harvest. It's a harvest. What we know, what we were told is way, way, way lower than what's happening.
Cristina: There's way more children on that island.
Jack: The island is bigger than we think it is. It's deeper than we think it is.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay. That's just too. It's just impossible to imagine that many fetuses that is so heavy that they couldn't open. I mean not open. They couldn't pick up container.
Jack: To establish that the containers within the traverse cargo documents as labeled by the cargo evaluator. The weight was on the high side, but it's because of the technology used to store the fetuses. Not because of the sheer quantity, but because of the way they were preserving them. Oh, those things.
Cristina: Okay, that makes more sense. Okay, so it doesn't. It's still probably a lot though.
Jack: It's still probably a lot.
Cristina: It's still probably a lot.
Jack: But there was a lot of technology inside the shipping container.
Cristina: Okay. What it really leads to that island. Really?
Jack: Yep. Also St. Thomas is the neighbor to Puerto Rico and Puerto Rico is the tip, the lower tip connecting the Bermuda Triangle. So if you want to send Something from Puerto Rico as well. You can get it to St. Thomas just as well. And it would blend in with this already existing system that seems to erase information. So if you were somebody from the water and you wanted to send something out to people who can make things Vanish, then whatever. St. Thomas is your place. This sounds like an adrenaline just died there. There's nothing else.
Cristina: Yeah, but like that's crazy.
Jack: There's a lot of loose ends. I'm not making any assumptions.
Cristina: No idea what's happening.
Jack: I have no idea what's happening. I know what these fetuses who are again, the fetuses aren't explicitly linked to Jeffrey Epstein.
Cristina: They are. They're for sure. What are you talking about?
Jack: His name is not on it.
Cristina: He co owns the port.
Jack: Yes. He does not co own the shipping container. The shipping container just happens to come through his port and the shipping container comes from where?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So again, there is no fact of the matter here. This is a nice clean job.
Cristina: I guess he's just the face. He's just the face of whatever really.
Jack: It just so happens to be that Jeffrey Epstein, the guy who owns an island in the direction that just so happens to have a port that he co owns, happens to send out a shipping container that he has no name relative to, but a company that is seemingly only exists for the purpose of delivering the one shipping container, then picks it up and drops it off at a local place with all information completely. They then are allowed to evaluate the cargo and then they do properly. All stored within their own information. It leaves their port and comes to another American port, but goes exceptionally far entering the top of the country where the information seems to have been edited probably by going to Maine in the first place. Maybe it's going to Maine in order to be edited and erased and all that information removed. And then it gets sent out from Maine to Nebraska where it goes to some unknown lab owned by some unknown guy doing some unknown things with a giant shipping container worth of fetuses that.
Cristina: Are arriving and no information about the lab.
Jack: No. But my conclusion would be that Jeffrey Epsina is a slab or somebody relative to him or some elite or some s*** somehow, one way or another.
Cristina: Okay, the story is crazy.
Jack: That's what I got.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: Enjoy.
Cristina: It was really upsetting.
Jack: Yep. Cliffhanger. Enjoy.
Cristina: That's really, really awful. So awful.
Jack: But hey, I thought I found adrenochrome and so I tasted it. I got no confirmation, but no, but probably.
Cristina: It sounds there's something sketchy happening.
Jack: Something very sketchy. Anyways. If you guys want to give me your input on this information, feel free to send us messages relative to this stu on all our socials, that is at just convopod, on Instagram, on Tick Tock, on X and on Facebook.
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