Rambling 266: The St. Patrick Deep Dive
/Who really is Saint Patrick? Why was it that Jehovah turned to him for help instead of forcing him the way he did others? What is Patrick’s goal? The duo deep dive into anything and everything they could find related to Saint Patrick in an attempt to understand why he was the Go-To man for the Catholic Church. What is discovered reveals why he is feared and known across the world.
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Connections
Necromancy
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And in a couple of days, or literally tomorrow, I suppose it's gonna be St. Patrick's Day. Our good old homie St. Patrick's that guy who's apparently very odd and done some really weird things.
Cristina: One of the most magical men we know.
Jack: One of the most magical men we know. Except we've reframed a lot based on newfound data, information, knowledge. So, Han. So it brings the question of how does he fit into the new current day framework? Not even going all the way to the simulation. Just if we stayed within the realms of before the simulation, how much can we fix him into before? We then have to move him into how he's helping for the simulation. So we have to take him from magic into science. We have to take him to science first, and then from technology, Technological science. We can then extrapolate how he falls into the simulation. Simple logic. And in light of St Patrick's Day coming up, I was like, what a. What a perfect time to revisit our strange friend.
Cristina: Mm. Almost as strange as Santa. Is he related? Are we gonna find out they're related?
Jack: No.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I don't know why they would be related.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Like family?
Cristina: No. Like whoever gave one person whatever abilities.
Jack: No, I don't think anybody gave anybody abilities here, but we'll get to that. So I basically, in order to pursue this, like, where do I even go? Right. How do you start this? So I listed some questions that the goal is to answ. And that would be my starting point. So I'll give you the six questions. Okay, question number one. Why does he connect to both the Middle east through Persia and through the Nordic and Celtic stories in Europe? That's weird. That's one of the few figures that is mentioned definitely up north and definitely in the Middle East. Very interesting.
Cristina: He's mentioned in the Middle East.
Jack: He's mentioned in the Middle East. He, like, Jesus has a couple of names, but a lot of people do. I don't think it's necessarily different names as much as it is his name in a different language. Okay, you get my point.
Cristina: And it's on there similar about him.
Jack: It's literally the same stories about him up north. Oh, it's not any. It's not variation it's like they just knew of this guy.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Interesting, right?
Cristina: Weird.
Jack: All right, is, number two, is there more to the problem between Mananan and St. Patrick? Like, what we're told is what we know because it's what they want us to know. So what don't we know about that interaction? And how do you have a conflict? That guy's an Elysian and you're just a dude.
Cristina: Was the guy living on the island?
Jack: On the other island, yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The guy who was given the fragrat after the leader of his Elysian Nephilim maybe group.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Lost his arm and became unable to use it. Question number three. What abilities and tech and. Or technology does he actually possess using all the source material we have? That's an interesting one because that'll definitely go a long way to framing things.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: How old is he? Really? Really, how old is he?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Number four, how old is he? How. Where do we place him time wise? Number five, why did Jehovah make this deal with him specifically?
Cristina: That's very interesting. I don't know.
Jack: Very interesting. A question we never even considered.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And question number six, which is actually where I would like to start. Is St. Patrick a necromancer?
Cristina: Ooh, that would answer a lot of questions. I feel like he has to be. No. Okay. I don't know. Let's go through it.
Jack: Yes. So the fact that he has so many similarities to the only other two necromancers we have come across, by the way, it seems necromancers are the next tier. Right. We have hidden technologies that are just human. We have Elysians that are extra, extra, extra hard to get to.
Cristina: You think necromancer is above them?
Jack: I think, because think about it. It took a while for us to find that the sea people are the Elysians. Like how long we'd like two years before we even came across the name Elysians, properly stated as them calling themselves the Elysians according to somebody else or whatever the case may be. And like, after we knew the combination of words to use and where to look, although indirectly we found mentions of them here and there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It is so hard. Other than for the information they specifically deemed we need to know to find anything on Nephalem, to find anything on necromancers, to find anything on fairies. I think all three of those things tear over the Elysians from how hard it is to get anything on them.
Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah. Especially the Nephilim, since why do they need to destroy them? Or why are they hiding the other.
Jack: Thing is yellow baof as well. That's just a shadow creature that we know nothing about. Him. And Eloi. That's a fifth individual we don't know about. There's a couple of things that we just can't seem to crack. Really? Really?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But this individual has many characteristics quite similar to the other two necromancers. We know the only two necromancer. We know more fairies than we know necromancers. Think about that. We know more fairies. We know three necromancers. That's it. Merlin, Santa Claus, aka St. Nicholas and St. Patrick.
Cristina: And St. Patrick is just right. Now, we just found this information.
Jack: We just found this. Well, we don't know. The idea would be, is he. Because, like the other two individuals, he's directly in contact with fairies regularly. Interesting.
Cristina: Because you need to know a thing about fairies. A thing about what was the other things. The shadow realm.
Jack: You need to know about the shadow realm. There are rules to being a necromancer. Exactly. Now, the question is, are all these individuals going to wherever necromancers are made, or are they figuring it out other ways?
Cristina: I don't know, because I thought you needed a teacher.
Jack: So there is a place where you could learn, but did they get it from a teacher? Did they find other roots? And who is this teacher that's allowed? Or is this teacher just can't be stopped? You just can't stop him because the Alicians can't.
Cristina: Maybe the teacher finds you.
Jack: Yeah. It's so elusive. Right. So I decided that based on those questions, today's episode would happen entirely. And so I preemptively named this the St. Patrick Deep Dive. Very easy, very simple. So for the intents and purposes of all this information, all the information discussed includes the canon biblical information.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The recorded, documented information. There's a lot of documents actually existing with both his handwriting in it and other people recording every inch that man ever took.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He, unlike Merlin and St. Nicholas, wasn't about secrecy per se. It was about information reframing, which falls very nicely with what, based on what we've already gotten from the sea people from deletions.
Cristina: Deletion. Their main goal.
Jack: Their main goal was for that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And reading through other people's stuff. It seems to be that his main goal was clearly, visibly that even if they don't tell us explicitly the fact of the matter, he's definitely there to make you think differently.
Cristina: Yes, that's it.
Jack: So let's unpack how he approaches this. I have an extensive list of all the things.
Cristina: All the things he, like, changed.
Jack: Not changed, just everything pertaining to him that is of significance.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Nothing outside of here matters. Everything within what I'm going to tell you is important.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: Okay, so let's unpack. Also, all biblical knowledge takes place specifically between the years 385 and 464. All specifically biblical things. This is interesting that the Bible claims he was born roughly around 385, when there are individuals who fit his description and his way of being about 500 years earlier than that. Additionally, there are public records that stretch about 50 years after that claiming that it was him. So the Bible has an active 100 year gap where they're like, he was definitely born and died here, but you can find mentions of him before and after.
Cristina: And if you add that stuff, how much, how old would he be?
Jack: That becomes complicated because the earliest mentions of an individual that fits his suit were already adult. And I don't know by how much.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The narratives within the Bible and the narratives that the Bible considers, narrative that considers canon, that aren't within the Bible say he was born around this time and he was a slave boy and he got taken and he found God and this and that. But you have stories of guys, of a guy a little before this doing exactly the same thing, having the same exact story, very similar narrative, and he was an adult then. We're talking 500 years difference, and he was an adult then. And then we have narratives after which are recorded documents of, oh, he visited here, he did this, he did that. Not everything was erased about who this man was. So there are inconsistencies that are kind of out there because he was not trying to erase anything. He was trying to reframe it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So things got left because erasing seems easier because you can always find what was left behind. But if everything was left behind, how do you know which one was altered? So he made mistakes, and we're gonna capitalize on his mistakes. So let's begin with probably, you know what, I'll go down. Let's just go by how he's known. Right. Things he is known as or for, particularly discussing reputation, how people view this man. St. Patrick is known as a generally good guy.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. That's just part of his whole shtick. And is accepted as perhaps the most favored human by the Elysians. We've seen this actually mentioned in the Celtic writings talking about his. In his connection to Mananan. But we've also seen it in the stories of Mananan addressing how he is not to interfere with St. Patrick. When he's to do his thing, he is favored more than an Elysian.
Cristina: Who's that?
Jack: Than a blood Elysian. Interesting.
Cristina: Yeah. How much more important? His work, his monologue seems to be doing something very, very, very important.
Jack: Yes, Monon is doing something colossally important. So why is this human outranking you? Yeah, also, how is a human outranking you? Mm, that immediately just things we don't ask but are always in front of our faces because. Yeah, that was always the case. He strong arm God. What?
Cristina: I don't know. I'm wondering though, like, are Alicians more human looking?
Jack: Like, are they look human?
Cristina: Yes, they look human.
Jack: They're bipedal, not alien, like squid people.
Cristina: Like, we wouldn't be able to tell, though.
Jack: They probably look more like our traditional idea of a Nephilim. The Elysians themselves probably fit that. If you think Adonis, you think a walking sculpture of a human. The men probably look exceptionally tall. Six, five, seven feet tall. We're talking exceptionally bronze skin, probably glowing blue eyes. From how blue? Super bright blonde hair. Like, think of what we would paint as what God would look like and what a normal human looks like. They would always look like that image.
Cristina: Of a God, like Merlin. Santa and St. Patrick's don't fit that.
Jack: They don't.
Cristina: No. Okay, just checking.
Jack: They don't.
Cristina: They all have very unique, I guess, looks.
Jack: Santa's look is American. We made that. St. Nicholas's look is thin. You can look at any other reference from any other religion where he's still in the red coat. It's just a normal sized dude in a red coat.
Cristina: The fat guy, handsome looking.
Jack: He's an older man. He's just an elder man. We can't.
Cristina: Okay, he looks human.
Jack: He looks relatively white.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All three of them are. But again, this is about St. Patrick.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So he is, by two different accounts, the most favored human among the Elysians. Although I don't necessarily agree. Favored is the word that the translation. Like, the translation came literally as that. And I don't think that's literally what it meant.
Cristina: Or do you think, like, I mean.
Jack: I mean, I don't think that's literally. It literally meant that. I think it figuratively did not mean exactly what they said. Favorite human is probably some term for something else. Agreeable, trade partner, dangerous, don't harm him. You know, something else.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Is meant to be in place of most favored human. Because why would that be the case? I doubt in any instance, there's a Most favored human. And it would be him.
Cristina: It'd be interesting if it is him, but I guess we'll see. But like to choose him, though, over. It does seem like he's a favorite in that way. In just that one example.
Jack: Yes. Again, this is the writing that aren't suppressed, the writings that aren't hidden. These are within the Bible. These are within the Celtic text. This isn't too hard digging. This is what they wanted us to know.
Cristina: Oh, okay. So then it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Okay.
Jack: What we're looking for is what isn't in our faces. Now back to his reputation. He seems to be in agreement with fairies, independent of the Elysians and their associations to the fairies, which is very interesting. St. Patrick seems to be in connection with fairies consistently. But his angle in coming to this is something we have to discuss, and we will later. But it's the fact that some seem to be in accordance with him, but he seems to be the guy who can keep fairies in check. And that's interesting because. My. Dude, we're just talking about a human.
Cristina: Unless he has a fairy weapon.
Jack: He could totally have a fairy weapon. We know Merlin had the ability to make that. And again, he has similarities to necromancers.
Cristina: Yeah. So he probably has a fairy weapon.
Jack: He could. We don't know of him having a weapon. No, but fairies stay in check.
Cristina: Yes, but do you know he has any famous items?
Jack: We'll get to that.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And based on his favoritism going back a little, his favoritism for the humans, there is another instance that might or might not be similar to his when it comes to humans and being favored by the Elysians, which is possible that Mary wasn't an Elysian, but rather a human living amongst the Elysians, which would make her the second human favored by. Or the first favored by the Elysians, because in a situation like this, this would mean that every bit of everything that they have discovered that they have created, that they have found the app, the stones, all of it, comb nesses together to create something with Jesus, who is himself a Nephilim as a result, because his mother would be human, and then an Elysian, likely Jehovah, providing his personal DNA.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: And this would make sense as to why she can just walk amongst the people, take this route. We're gonna send you Manji as escort. Joseph's gonna be with you. You need to have the baby out there, but we're gonna work you back to where we are. So very human pilgrimage she had to go on.
Cristina: Okay, interesting because. And also their descriptions are pretty human. Like there's nothing that stands out between her and Jesus.
Jack: No.
Cristina: So that sounds also very interesting.
Jack: So it's possible that Mary this whole time was one of the few humans among. Not only that, but a volunteer, perhaps, or the very mate of Jehovah, which means Jehovah knew the problems with Nephilim firsthand and that's why it was outlawed. I mean, it was careful experimentation that led to Jesus as opposed to the willy nilly craziness of Azazel.
Cristina: Yeah, it was on purpose. That's crazy. She could be human. That does make sense. That makes sense. Why Jesus? Is Jesus different? He's different. He's different for many reasons.
Jack: Yeah, that would check out. That would work out. So, yeah, just a little tidbit that she would be the first. She would. Technically, if there are favorite humans. That's why I don't agree that he would be the St. Patrick of all people, but if he was, he would be second to marry.
Cristina: Yes. Do you have any stories of him, like, traveling into the water or whatever?
Jack: Like, I would tell you if there was, because this is all about him. All right, now, classification, that's different from reputation. What are labels he's been given? I couldn't find anything that directly ties into necromancy. Doesn't seem that magic in the way that would be required to be a necromancer is taking place with this man. So I can't outright define him as that. But we'll circle back in a very useful way to the literal classification because it's gonna require a couple of parts, but we're gonna get there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Labeled everywhere, without exception, as a human, though that is not up to debate. He was definitely just a guy. That's why I keep referring to him as a human, because I tried to find, like, is he something else? Did anybody say he was something else?
Cristina: Even if he lived way longer than a human would live?
Jack: Even if he lived way longer than a human will live. But we also know that other humans, like the Egyptians and the Mayans also did. And that's entirely due to being shared technology with.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Which is something to keep in mind. Now, when we were looking at Merlin and we were thinking about necromancy, we were kind of falling into the idea that because he is half shadow, half human, that he himself was among some of the only necromancers, because that was the requirement. But then we look at Santa and we had to discuss, is he part shadow? But no it seems he's. He might be, if anything, more likely leaning towards Elysian. Yeah, except now we talk about St. Patrick and he's just purely human.
Cristina: So are they all purely human?
Jack: I would argue that based on this third example, it was not the shadow part, it was the human part in Merlin. And that this then grounds Santa, because he was always St Nicholas and St Patrick as three humans who understand to a granular nuance. Necromancy. Not only that, chances are the only people who can go to the school are human. Because I would argue that the human factor is what allows you to be a necromancer. It's something about technically being made of fairies that allows you to use this thing that nobody else has access to.
Cristina: Yes, because you have to know how to. We be knowing fairy technology is one of the things. Like maybe the other two, but I.
Jack: Feel like the Alicians figured.
Cristina: The Alicians figured out, so I don't know, because you need to know fairy shadow. And. And then there was one missing other thing, but I forgot what the other.
Jack: There was random thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Let me see if we can find that right here. Teachers, you need to know Latin. They must be familiar with the technical aspects and inner workings of the devices of Elfame, Shadow and Earth. And they must be familiar with the philosophy of using said things.
Cristina: Oh, it's the philosophy of using said things. I thought it was another philosophy.
Jack: It's knowing how to use all the tools, knowing how to think of the tools when you use them, and having to know Latin.
Cristina: I don't know why that would mean a human.
Jack: I don't know why that would mean a human either. I think only humans, as far as we know. And some human factor allows you to. Those things don't tell you. Human is like, if you did know these things, you would still not be able to do necromancy if you weren't human.
Jack: You get my point. Just something about you being human allows you to do necromancy.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And you would just simply not be able to if you didn't have these. These things and if you didn't have a human characteristic simultaneously. At least it seems that way.
Cristina: Yeah. Interesting. Human can only be necromancy, as far as we know. We don't know. We don't have enough examples of necromancies.
Jack: So far, only three, as far as we know. Three on paper, that people were like, oh, this happened at some point.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Last detail when it comes to classification is that they have been described, St Patrick as a saint. That is the point of his name. Saint as part of his title, part of his classification. And Santa also has that and Merlin doesn't. That's an interesting pattern there, where Merlin isn't Saint Merlin, but it's Saint Nicholas and it's Saint Patrick. The only difference among these individuals is Merlin was not associated with the church, while Nicholas was an officer of the church and so was Patrick.
Cristina: I wonder if Nicholas was also having the same job as St. Patrick's of you got to change things, not erase things.
Jack: Maybe, maybe. But I think that totally has nothing to do with anything. I'm trying to get to the title itself is what we're talking about. The title. And I think that the title is a code word. The title is a literal, like military rank, essentially. Because think about who gets it. Saints. People who've accomplished things within what? Within the Catholic religion. Within the Catholic Church.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So it's a badge. It's like in the military when you get little stars. Well, this is the highest star you can get. The highest medal of honor you can get is being called a saint. That's all that means when you really break it down to who gets it and the requirement to get it is you did a lot of heavy lifting.
Cristina: That's it. You did a lot of. But you also had to know some magic or some have to.
Jack: What's it all of that falls into? Doing a lot of heavy lifting. Yeah, that's all summed into doing a lot of heavy lifting. The title. What I mean by doing a lot of heavy lifting is you did things within the Catholic religion that were of note, regardless of what that is. You spread it, you assisted them, you helped. And it's a Catholic church. It's about magic.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So, yes, if you did something for the Catholic Church, obviously it had to involve magic. If we're talking about the year 300, like, it had to do with magic. So, yes, you performed miracles, but you had to. It's just heavy lifting. It's more of normal, everyday thing. People who weren't associated with the church were doing magic. That's how common it was to just do magic.
Cristina: People outside of the church.
Jack: Yeah, people outside the church were doing magic. Many people were doing magic. That's why it's not even important that he was doing magic. That's not even important that he was doing magic, but rather that because every bugs are magic. It's just the fact that it's a code word. He did so much magic, but magic is the least of it. He had to still rep them. He had to give them a good Name have to be out there making more people aware of it and spreading whatever message, ideology, propaganda and toxins that they wanted to hand out or whatever. So isolating the magic makes no sense. It's like the smallest part of the equation. To be a saint, you could do a bunch of magic, never do for the church and never be a saint. So magic is not the requirement there. Connections we know about that he has are, as we stated before, fairies closely tied.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The Elysians closely tied by default. The Catholic Church, the closest of ties. And the last important link he has, which is Mananan, his close rival. And like the guy next door who you troll for whatever reason.
Cristina: But nothing with the shadow realm as well.
Jack: Nothing directly. What would you like to know about the shadow realm?
Cristina: I don't know. Like if he's connect, he's not connected to them at all. If he used to be a necromancer, that would be also part of it.
Jack: Yeah, but we don't have any direct mentions of him associating or working alongside anything of that nature, as far as I know. Now, things to note before I go into the important stuff. A shamrock. You know what a shamrock is?
Cristina: A four leaf clover.
Jack: It's a three leaf clover.
Cristina: Three leaf clover. Okay.
Jack: Okay. A shamrock was used to explain the trinity to people in Ireland.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Right. And he was explaining how they all share stem, but they have three leaves. It still manages to be the same thing, but you can acknowledge three leaves and one stem.
Cristina: That's God.
Jack: And that's him explaining God.
Cristina: Whatever.
Jack: He then proceeds to convince people that as a representation of our faith, we should be wearing this on our lapel. Which is fine. Great symbolism, except you already handle magic and now you're grabbing things out of nature and telling them to put it on them. Just I thought that was weird that he's like, okay, I need everybody to have this thing. And something's happening with that. I don't know what. But the good stuff is about to start now. Because right now we're gonna go through his abilities and what we know for a fact he can do.
Cristina: Right.
Jack: The things he can actually accomplish according to texts. So we're gonna scale him in power first right off the bat, according to everything we know, he's bare minimum equal to Elysians when it comes to power. Just based on interaction, based on text, the fact that they go to him. And he's also discussed as a sort of last resort in any mention, he has to go solve a problem. He's. He's who you send in when nothing else worked.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I find that interesting. The Problem Solver. In fact, that should be the name of this episode. St. Patrick, the problem Solver. Anyways, now, his ability to clear an entire island of presumably shadow creatures is impressive, but presumably Shadow Creatures has a couple of things to unpack. But we're gonna do that even later when we get to the even juicier stuff. Okay, again, we're just scaling him right now. Now, Jehovah, making arrangements with him instead of bending his will when he could so easily with other individuals. He didn't favor Ireland. He favored St. Patrick.
Cristina: Okay, why?
Jack: Again, we've seen Elysians just move in and be like, we're taking over your space. It's fine. Like, you're not. You can go over there. We're not gonna hurt you. But, like, you ain't having it. Meanwhile, Jehovah, the top of the head of Elysians is like, can you do this for me? To a human. Hey, man, can you help? We couldn't get it done. Okay, already, like, what? Dude, Are you serious? Again, Scaling his power, the fact that his rival is Mananan, of all people, that's already, like, what? Are you serious, bro? What are you talking about? How is Mananan your counterpart?
Cristina: Why are they counterparts? I don't remember.
Jack: They are counterparts. Not literally like counterparts in a literal sense, but, like, they work next to each other, and they seem to always be at odds. Mananan specifically was told to not interfere, and Mananan was originally in charge of the territory that St. Patrick then went to take care of.
Cristina: And it was the same exact territory.
Jack: It was underneath him. It's the same exact territory. But it wasn't just that territory. Mananan had a bunch of other stuff. But then St. Patrick was sent there to then correct the image that was taking place there. So it's more that they're just rivals, not necessarily counterparts.
Cristina: They're not really rivals either.
Jack: Like, yeah, they don't like each other. Well, Mananan doesn't like. According to the writing, it seems like Mananan is displeased. And, like, he is consistently arguing the point of, like, I can do it. And then he's being overridden by Jehovah, who's like, no, you can't. Otherwise it'd be done.
Cristina: That's weird. But why can't he do it?
Jack: Because I don't know.
Cristina: I don't know what makes St. Patrick. Okay. What makes St. Patrick special?
Jack: Well, if we just think logically enough, why didn't the Aletians themselves directly run the church? If you're already godlike by comparison and you look immaculate by comparison, no, you went and you found Peter to do it. I have no idea what's happening there. Why you need humans to do this thing.
Cristina: Maybe because they would stand out too much. They want this other being to be seen as the God or whatever.
Jack: What? Normal. Oh, they want an individual who isn't them. Oh, no. Well, not Jesus. They're claiming Jesus is the son of the big thing. And actually that's not even them. You got to keep in mind there's two versions of Christianity occurring simultaneously. Oh, there's the version that was created to readjust the narrative of Jesus. That's the original Catholic Church. And then there's the lady of the Lake esque equivalent version of Christianity that Jesus then co opted and got followers for, which later become a thousand other religions. I guess it wasn't really Christianity per se, but those are the two different narratives relative to that. And like, Peter was just there to rephrase. I don't know why they're trying to say that God is God God. And that, yeah, Jesus is the Son of God. He's not God God, even if he's somehow God God. But Jesus is literally out there like, no, I'm him. Those are two different narratives. Jesus out there, like, no, I'm him.
Cristina: But isn't St. Patrick shaming that. That he is him?
Jack: St. Patrick is preaching in favor of the Catholic Church's story, regardless of what that might look like.
Cristina: Which does look like that Jesus is God, the Son of God. But.
Jack: And is the Son is most more important than is in the Holy Trinity. There are three parts, and they are distinguished for a reason. Otherwise you would just use a word. There's no reason to distinguish them if there is no difference between them. You're distinguishing them because there's a difference. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are three absolutely different individuals. Even if this individual one thing. Yes. But totally different.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Jesus cannot do what according to the Bible, Jehovah can do. He cannot. He is Jehovah, but he is mortal Jehovah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Is very different.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's not even complicated. It's not even complicated.
Cristina: It is complicated.
Jack: No, he's just a guy. He's just immortal. Think of Jesus just a normal guy, but he's not. According to the Bible, he's immortal. According to the Bible, he is just a guy. So is Peter. They can both perform miracles.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: St. Patrick literally did miracles better than Jesus did in his whole f****** life.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like son of who St. Patrick's is more God than you are.
Cristina: That's very interesting.
Jack: Son of who?
Cristina: So St. Patrick's is.
Jack: You gotta go into hiding. St. Patrick made himself public intentionally and then strong armed. Your God, your son of who?
Cristina: Did he strong arm him? Or is that also a story? This.
Jack: Why would that be the story they're gonna tell us? That has to be that. That has to be a part that like. Basically because he is involved in influencing as well. It's like you guys couldn't change this. Make me. Make me change it. Make me say you're stronger than me right here. Make me come over here and make me. Nobody ever did. They were just like. I guess that part stays in the Bible.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: God, he's the goddess. God, he's the most God that any God has ever gotten. Also that One part about St. Patrick. Yeah, we don't talk about that. Take it out. We don't want to. We don't want that heat. We don't want that heat. We're just gonna ignore it and not talk about it.
Cristina: Can he. Like, what could he do to them?
Jack: Well, we're actually going down the abilities part here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So with theory, this should take us there. What was our last point we were at rivals with Mananan. So let's go down to the next one. Can enter the shadow realm and fairy realm somehow, according to these stories, which is very necromancy. Very necromancer. Yep. That is their ability very well connected to the music.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or at least the only two we know of. Now this suggests that St. Patrick was in possession of portals or gates, some form of transportation or access points to these other places. So he either has technology or knows things he shouldn't.
Cristina: What do you mean? Yeah, I guess he might have technology, we don't know. But like who would give it to him? Was it them? Did he make the technology?
Jack: I don't know. He does work for the Catholic Church. Quote works, I guess. I don't know how that works. No, but he's involved with the Catholic Church. That's the thing here is where it's going to get a little weirder. According to his own writings and accounts of his quote, miracles. This is really important, what I'm about to say right now, so pay close attention to this part.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: According to his own writing, his own records, and this has been confirmed through other records, public records, as well as biblical, he has personally brought from the dead 33 people.
Cristina: 33 people. That's a lot of people.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: From the dead.
Jack: From the dead. Now this breaks down when we go a little deeper because some of them have been dead for multiple years.
Cristina: That is disturbing.
Jack: So there's no body to get back.
Cristina: What is he bringing back?
Jack: Except these people are back in their entirety.
Cristina: In their actual body.
Jack: In their actual body.
Cristina: That's different.
Jack: Well, there's one way this is happening.
Cristina: What's that?
Jack: He's bringing them from the shadow realm.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: But there's only one way you get to the shadow realm.
Cristina: It's involving blood.
Jack: You gotta have a drum.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: Okay, wait for this circle to happen. Wait for this. This is important. Wait for the circle to happen. Now, this alone suggests that he has knowledge of who specifically has ingested adrenochrome. Because how are you bringing 33 people from the dead? You know who.
Cristina: How does he know who?
Jack: How does he know who are these.
Cristina: Blood drunk, drinking people? Is that what we're gonna find now?
Jack: We'll get there when we get there. Additionally, this suggests that the individuals that got the adrenochrome. So he knows who has them, and he brings these particular individuals back. It brings into question of are you supplying it? We know Catholic Church has been known for sketchy. Are you supplying them adrenochrome?
Cristina: Maybe. Maybe they're mixing it with their wine.
Jack: Any possibility? It's absurd.
Cristina: The fact that that's a lot of.
Jack: People, solid 33 is excessive.
Cristina: And years after that's crazy. Have we ever heard of anything like that?
Jack: No. The suggestion of teleporters comes in the Bible when he. According to one of his stories, he was in a desert with a bunch of sailors. It was a desert coast and they were starving. And he, within moments managed to get a herd of swine to show up. It doesn't say instantaneously, so it wasn't like poof, but it was like.
Cristina: Not like.
Jack: Yeah, it was. Shortly thereafter, herd of swine comes through. As said by St. Patrick.
Cristina: They knew he did it.
Jack: They knew he told them he would.
Cristina: Do it, he would do it, and he did it.
Jack: And they don't know how, but he did. That sounds like you teleported them there.
Cristina: Yeah, like some kind of gape opened in front of them and they ran through and then got there somehow.
Jack: Maybe a herd showed up out of nowhere. So in order for this to even be possible, now we're entering necromancy territory. Because again, if you move the portal, you move both ends simultaneously. How do you take the portal to where the swine are and have it simultaneously in the desert? Unless those two portals aren't Connected.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you have the one with you and the one with the swine.
Cristina: It has to be. That's a great example.
Jack: Immediately moves us up a level to. Oh, s***, wait, no. This doesn't work. How do you make something just instantly show up? You going through. Makes sense. If you knew where to find the other end in the Shadow Realm, go through it and pop up here instantly. That makes sense. How do you then get these things elsewhere? Because you'd have to take them all the way to the entrance in the Shadow Realm to then get them through.
Cristina: How does that work?
Jack: And how do you get. How do you give them.
Cristina: How do you make it over there without going over there?
Jack: How do you take the swine over there without giving them adrenochrome? And how do you control them after you do you see the issue? How do you give the pig adrenochrome to get them into the Shadow Realm to then use the portal that's stationary, that is located opposite to the desert exit that taking them to. And control the pigs the entire way. Then get them out into Earthrealm and the pigs don't kill everybody. How did you accomplish that? Unless none of that happened.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: Well, you created the link from the two different points and these aren't actually connected. You went through.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: From Elfame instead. Or satellite style.
Cristina: You don't actually have to have the pigs go through the Shadow Realm.
Jack: They never really go through Shadow Realm.
Cristina: Okay. Because that would be too complicated. How would he have done it?
Jack: Yeah. It's immediately a huge barrier that we don't have mention of anywhere else. It's a huge barrier. How are you going to move something crazy large from one place to another? The Elysians literally moved their society by going there. Not teleport it. We found they left behind. Literally. They just went there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Nobody has the. And meanwhile, St. Patrick is a necromancer.
Cristina: He has to be.
Jack: He has to be. This immediately leveled him up to a point. We haven't heard Santa talk about some s*** like that. We haven't heard. The closest thing we have with Santa is teleporters. Where he has the ability to either be everywhere all at once instantaneously or time control, which for a day he stops time, does everything. And it feels to him like for years, but who gives a s***? And then he just keeps going about his day. So I don't know. That seems miserable. So presumably teleporters and assistants are his angle. But yeah. So that's interesting. Teleporters are Definitely involved there. And for a teleporter, cutting through Elfame suggests necromancy.
Cristina: But does he talk to fairies? Does he have a snake? Not a snake. You know those guys? Yeah.
Jack: Not a clue.
Cristina: No. Psychic.
Jack: So now I'm going to talk about two very important different things that you probably know nothing about. The first one is named the Crow Patrick.
Cristina: What is that supp. That's a thing. That's a pet. It's a crow. No, it's an item.
Jack: The Crow Patrick, is a place.
Cristina: Oh. Oh, okay. There's nothing suspicious about it?
Jack: No. Tell me what you see there.
Cristina: A mountain.
Jack: Tell me. Describe this image.
Cristina: Two mountains. Is that a mountain next to a mountain?
Jack: It's one mountain.
Cristina: It's one mountain. Okay. And a bunch of plants. Random plants.
Jack: They're not on the mountain for any listeners. There are planes that she should be describing and the plains have some plants. And that at the far end of the plains there is a mountain, very large, kind of Mount Fuji esque mountain. Far, far, far. Taking up most of the landscape shop. Presumably the size of like 3 or 4 cities wide or some s*** like that.
Cristina: But why does it look like two different mountains?
Jack: It's just. It goes down and comes back up. It's one mountain.
Cristina: Okay. Because it's very bumpy on one side and very, I don't know, slopey on the other side.
Jack: So why is that important?
Cristina: Because it's a mountain.
Jack: Yes, yes, it's important because it's a mountain. That's literally why it's important.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So about this mountain, it's called the Crow Patrick. And what's the importance of this mountain?
Cristina: He talks to the sea people through that mountain.
Jack: He talks to the. Yes, 100%, you are absolutely right. There is nothing else happening with this mountain. He goes to the top of the mountain upon arriving in Ireland and then.
Cristina: He goes and speaks to God.
Jack: Yeah, he goes to the top of the mountain and for 40 days and 40 nights. Familiar.
Cristina: We should revisit that story one day.
Jack: But.
Cristina: Okay, continue.
Jack: Gets instructions, comes down and then rids Ireland of its issues. He went up for the instructions and the. Either technology or lessons or whatever the case might be.
Cristina: Yeah, that's very interesting. Very obviously he's talking to them.
Jack: Yep, just there being a mountain. And you knew exactly what was happening. Now this is what's interesting. We originally read serpents because serpents is biblically discussed. Demonic. That's what we get in the Bible. The mentions from all other places get a little more broad. And when I say all, I mean literally.
Cristina: All everywhere but the Bible.
Jack: And it goes as far as to say that what he vanished monsters, what he banished directly were snakes, demons and practitioners of magic. These literal words are used and even in other languages mentioned. You translate it and you get these words. There is no confusion as to what they mean. The Bible's the one full of s*** that said serpents.
Cristina: But you said snakes is one of the things.
Jack: Yes, they stopped there. They were like, yeah, that's what he got rid of.
Cristina: But so he definitely for sure got rid of snakes, demons and wizards.
Jack: Practitioners of magic.
Cristina: Practitioners of magic.
Jack: Now let's unpack these. We know what they all are. The snakes, an animal, the Naga.
Cristina: Oh, you think actual Nagas?
Jack: Okay, yes, there were actual Nagas on that island. They went to him to get rid of them because they needed whatever was there to go. But they didn't go personally and do it. Why? Yeah, they did it every other instance. Why? When they needed to go to to Ireland for the fragrance, they were fine. They go and fought the Formaldeans themselves. They'll help. Those other mediums don't give a s***. They're down with it, whatever. But this different. You sent him. You've dealt with worse things here before. But not than this you needed to send. Because they've gotten rid of demons before. Yeah, they've never gotten rid of.
Cristina: That's crazy, because you. They're usually helpful, but I'm guessing this is a wild one who's like, you're gonna treat me like I'm a God.
Jack: Type of Naga, not necessarily wild. You have to understand the Naga helps the civilization regardless. So if you're a civilization like Egypt and you have Wadjet. Wedget's known for what? She's your assistant and also what your bodyguard. You tell her to kill people and she does it because she's gonna do whatever the you tell her to. Same thing happens in Greece. Zeus has his Naga and he gets his Naga. The what? Make other Nagas. For what purpose? Well, we're making death machines. We need war soldiers. We're gonna make a military and you're gonna help me do it. It any, without question. They're there to help. But whoever they're with, they're not there to help. Objectively, everybody, all the time, you're here to help me. And I say we're going to destroy the world. Your answer is yes. How quick you want to do it? That's the Naga's response.
Cristina: So the Naga was probably helping some.
Jack: That's my theory. There was either somebody in Ireland Something some other group with a Naga that needed to be disposed of in order for them to move in. And whatever group was already in close proximity and they must have been around the Isle of Man that was there. Which means they had access to the other side of the Forest of Shadows.
Cristina: It's weird that they didn't just get rid of any of these things by themselves. No, they needed him. Weird.
Jack: And if you follow the order of events, everything that happened with him and MANANAN happens about 2,000 years back from that point where he then according to these narratives, keep in mind there's a. Oh, that's another problem I forgot to tell you about. There's a huge time dilation. Again, they're claiming he existed within the Bible within this 100 year period, but just using official things they consider canon, but they themselves won't write. There are back dates and forward dates.
Cristina: And the one with.
Jack: Well, then that's a whole other thing. Without directly addressing St Patrick but talking about. Actually weirdly enough, in this instant he was directly addressed and it's 2,000 years ahead of his actual mention in the Christian Bible. So did they write about him late and where. Whenever you write it is when you talk about it like it was then? Kind of. If you think of Japanese, it doesn't really have then and now and later. And you got to be specific about when you're talking about.
Cristina: Same thing with Korean culture, but in the past. They're just. They're changing it to being right now. Yeah, I'm thinking on purpose, but just how they write.
Jack: Yes. I think language. Maybe we're up. And this is actually harder to tell apart without a direct timestamp because they'll always talk about it like it's the present.
Cristina: That's interesting.
Jack: It could be the case.
Cristina: The most sense though a lot of these stories would make a lot of sense because they're all very different. Yeah.
Jack: We're talking the Same event described 2000. I mean 12,000 years apart.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And you're. You said it happened yesterday and that guy said to happen 12,000 years ago. Chances are you guys are talking about the same moment that happened at the same moment. You talk about the same moment and it happened at the same moment.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But the way you speak your language doesn't have present, future or past tense. So you. It's always just now.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And as a result when we read it, we're like, well, they were. This happened at that moment. But they don't even believe that.
Cristina: No. Yeah. It's probably did happen way before this.
Jack: Could explain a lot of time dilation. This would help in a lot of things. Like how the is Lilith way the back then and way the now. Well, maybe, maybe. No maybe Lilith. One moment.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Maybe loi. Not that old. Maybe Jehovah not that old. Kind of same ballpark.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And like reasonable distance from grandfather instead of grandfather was 3 million years ago and here I am.
Cristina: Yeah, that doesn't make sense. It's just that they're writing it like that.
Jack: Yes. So that's one approach. Language back then had not in all variants of language evolved tense. Alternatively, instead of that case being subject to the language, maybe they just live really long. And really, really is the case because at least within Jehovah's time, we have the ability to solve death. And within Eloise time, he has access to individuals that can't experience natural death. So maybe he just got worked out of his equation.
Cristina: But if he's human, that doesn't make a lot.
Jack: He's not human, he's Elysian.
Cristina: No, I mean like St. Patrick's I'm talking about now the people that are necromancers that are still human.
Jack: I think necromancers can work naturally, work death out of the equation. I think that's part of being a necromancer. You look at the two other examples we have from Merlin and Santa Claus. Unless you're killed, you're kind of just around.
Cristina: Okay, that's possible. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. They just figured out something obvious about necromancy is like, oh, I could live forever.
Cristina: Yeah. And we know there's a weapon that you could have and keep you alive as long as something doesn't kill you.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: And we know, we know about. Yeah, there's a few things that could keep you alive like that for sure. Okay, interesting.
Jack: No. So that's something to consider about language.
Cristina: So it could or could not be that they. I don't know. That's interesting, because what if that's right?
Jack: Now, another thing I was thinking about this mountain is other than the fact that mountains are obviously meeting points, obviously might be a strong word. In Mount Athos, a guy goes up. Only one guy is allowed up every 30 years unless he's to die and then somebody else is assigned to go. Right. He goes up to the top of the mountain. We don't actually know what happens. Sometimes other people come down from the mountain that's happened, but nobody is about is allowed to go up to the mountain unless it's the one individual we've chosen or the people who come down from the mountain. I think that similar to Cyprus, the top of the mountain might literally be an access point to Elysium. And he didn't go up and was on a mountain having a conversation for 40 days and 40. He wasn't on top of the mountain.
Cristina: No, he was back.
Jack: He was in Elysium.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He's a human allowed into Elysium because the narrative from Mary literally tells us you connect all the different parts. They said she went up to the mountain. They said on top of the mountain ascension happens. They said there's a passage to the other side on top of the mountain. All the stories together. There's a portal on top of the f****** mountain. Fine.
Cristina: There is a portal. And he went through it.
Jack: He went through it.
Cristina: There's no way he was just hanging.
Jack: Out 40 days on top of eating what? It's the top of a mountain.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you're not talking about.
Cristina: Unless nothing.
Jack: Freezing and dying. You're.
Cristina: Nothing is happening.
Jack: Unless you're not there.
Cristina: Unless you're not there.
Jack: No, it's hard to get there intentionally, but, you know, the other side is nice and warm, so you're like, I.
Cristina: Don'T give a. Yeah, no one's watching him up there. They're just. They see him go up, they see him come down.
Jack: Yeah, that's it. They're like, oh, he was up there. He couldn't gone anywhere else. It's like nobody else has gone out there. He knows what's up there.
Cristina: He knows what's up there.
Jack: He probably had something to prevent him from getting hurt on the way up there too. You could probably be extra warm and still have food somehow and get up there. Maybe there's pockets of things he knows where to find. They stash it here and there for people who are supposed to know where to find it so that you can eat on your way up.
Cristina: I gave him some magical unicorn equivalent.
Jack: Yeah. There might be a spot in there hidden this. Like you could just get this thing. It'll protect you from the cold. It'll take you all the way to the top and get you over here. We gotta know where to find it. And you know where to find it because you. We told you. You know where to find it.
Cristina: Huh? How did they tell him before he got up there?
Jack: Well, he was sent there.
Cristina: He was sent there. Okay.
Jack: He was sent there. I know the Bible says he was born there, but everywhere else says he was sent there.
Cristina: Yeah, the him born in was kidnapped.
Jack: And then taken there, whatever the case might be. But the point is that that Story seems wrong. He seems to have been sent, not dragged there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Everywhere else suggests who's dragged there. No, they were sent there.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: The canon story they want us to believe says he was dragged there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But everywhere else that claims no, this is accurate. Even if they don't say it's canon, are like, no, that n**** was sent there by somebody. He just went there.
Cristina: Okay. What? But he was sent there as a young guy. Do we know that?
Jack: Unclear what age he was at any given moment. Because we don't know how old he is at any given moment either. That's the biggest problem. We have no idea where he stands age wise. Okay, that's a little problematic. But alternatively, there is just one more thing you must look at because this is where we're gonna close. We're a little over time, but this is the last bit, so it's absolutely fine. And you need to look at it. It's very important. I need you to look at Station island in Lone Durgan, County Donegal, which.
Cristina: Is part of an island.
Jack: Yeah, it's an island. It's part of a nice little. I'm about to tell you about this in a second.
Cristina: Okay. But it looks. It's a man made island.
Jack: No, they structured it to help and put that building on it. But it was an island before him.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: It was only the little hut in that you see there with the roof.
Cristina: There's two little huts. Or that one up there, the bigger hut.
Jack: It was originally this side over here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This side. And that building down there, that was the first initially. Let me tell you about this.
Cristina: Interesting. What is that?
Jack: I'm about to walk you through why this is the most important part of the story. Regardless of what I've told you so far.
Cristina: How's that possible? Well, okay. Okay.
Jack: So there's not a lot of notes. It's just what these notes mean. So this island, Station Island, St Patrick is said to have had a way to witness the torment of h*** within this island.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Oh, s***.
Cristina: You could see into h***?
Jack: That tells us a single thing, bro. Dude has a portal in there to the Shadow Realm. To the Shadow Realm. The island is known as St. Patrick's Purgatory. As a result, Station Island's nickname is St. Patrick's Purgatory.
Cristina: Interesting. That's a crazy name.
Jack: The passage or window is located in a cave hidden within the island.
Cristina: Seeing that big hut, I think that.
Jack: Big hut is where it is. That big hut was probably stationed over the cave's mouth. And the cave's mouth Has a portal somehow.
Cristina: That's crazy. Oh my gosh. And is that where he sent the things, the quote unquote monsters from the island supposedly?
Jack: No, he sent them into the water.
Cristina: He sent them in the water?
Jack: Just out of the island into the water. Now here's where it gets a little more. I had questions at the beginning of the episode. Like I said, the point was to get to some conclusions. People would visit this island and go on a three day pilgrimage there. So they'd spend three days there. They would fast and only drink water while spending time with them. This is what they say when they come out. They would claim to be shown visions or places that were beyond comprehension. Shown proof of h*** and all its horrors. Here, quotes. I'm showing you quotes.
Cristina: This is crazy.
Jack: Yep. Now, simple conclusion. This suggests that St. Patrick was experimenting or providing people with adrenochrome in that place. How are they seeing it? That's all I had to ask. How are they seeing it? What's on the other side? They're coming to your island. They're leaving saying they saw something they should have no way to see. Unless they have an access point. You say you're bringing people from the dead. You claim that yourself. You have more than 10 individual sources, both Bible and public records stating you're not lying.
Cristina: You're bringing people back.
Jack: You're bringing people back. You're giving them the adrenochrome. They come to your island knowing this is what they're in for. They're coming in. You're gonna leave addicted. It's not gonna be easy. You're coming here for something hard. But I'm gonna teach you how you can get it safely. I'm gonna teach you how you can blah blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I'm gonna show you what you'll have access to. As a result, you're not allowed off the island. It's a three day thing. You have to come.
Cristina: Is it still happening now?
Jack: I have no idea. So there are hella restrictions on this island identical to Mount Athos. That center building is not allowed for anybody to step into. As well as the original prayer area, all the other facilities have been opened. My bad. The original building in the middle that is forbidden has a forbidden chamber within it. The outside areas being hit by light through the windows are all open and access. And the same goes for the other building. There is a specific chamber within that building that nobody's allowed in. And it's about one third the size of the building. Something.
Cristina: That's where it Is.
Jack: I don't know what's there. Nobody's allowed in. Other than that. This is a public place. It has crazy security.
Cristina: Crazy security. I wonder if anyone can feel anything. Like, are those stories just from the past of those pilgrimages?
Jack: People do the pilgrimages all the time. They. I don't.
Cristina: They don't feel anything still. I guess not. Because he's not providing them with anything but.
Jack: What?
Cristina: It's just a gate to h***. Cool.
Jack: And people would intentionally go to him for this quote. Enlightenment, unquote.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That is where we're at with it. It seems to be the case.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know what to think about that. That's so crazy. That is weird and crazy. I don't.
Jack: That island changed everything. Right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And this goes to show one thing we talked about just before we wrap this up. We've said this in a couple of other episodes, but it seems that everything comes back to adrenochrome one way or another.
Cristina: Well, we don't even have any proof of adrenaline. Except that all of this would only make sense with adrenochrome. Yes. Yeah.
Jack: This is the one instance that doesn't have adrenochrome. That could only be solved with the addition of adrenochrome.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that's like.
Cristina: This makes sense. Unless there's somehow. He's somehow sneaking in adrenochrome or something. But.
Jack: Which has a necromancer. Which also. There's no direct mention of anything like that. But you fit every f****** part of that.
Cristina: And we also know, though, like, they could be putting it in the wine because they do make you drink wine and bread or whatever. So, like, it's possible that both those things have a little bit of adrenal chlorome.
Jack: No. I think people are literally coming to him knowing. I think this back then was literal and used to be whispers of. You know, you're gonna get. You can go to the place and get the thing. Like now. It's not because we suppress that. And only the elites want it and whatever the case might be. You know? But now people go up there and they just pray a couple days. And we come back. You know, it's cool. We starved and whatever.
Cristina: But they don't mention adrenochrome. They don't mention drinking blood or anything weird like that.
Jack: No, but the people going there now. It doesn't matter. People there now are just.
Cristina: No, but from the past accounts.
Jack: No.
Cristina: It's just. We fasted and then we saw these visions.
Jack: Yes. Literally. They. They claim it's infinite prayer sessions for those three days, fasting and just intense meditation. Nothing else happens, according to them for the training. But the result is absolutely different, which they claim. These crazy visions. They claim seeing h***, they claim walking in h***. They claim all these things and, like, more real than reality. Actually, I think that's a quote somewhere on here. I think I wrote something like that. That was more real than reality. No, it was just incomprehensible to the human mind. There you go.
Cristina: It sounds like it would be. That's so crazy. And it's right there. Right next to where? How close is that island to Ireland?
Jack: It's in Ireland. It's right off the coast. It's an island. This part of Ireland?
Cristina: Yeah. You said it takes them three days to get there. No, they stay there.
Jack: They stayed there three days. Probably takes them a couple of minutes to get there.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah, you can probably see that. Just. It's like looking at Ellis island or some s***. You just see it off of the side, like, it's right over there. Yeah, a little rowboat. I could get there in like 10 minutes.
Cristina: He has a. I don't understand. He has a portal. He has a portal there, based on.
Jack: Everything we just looked at. Yes, it would seem so.
Cristina: And he has a portal on the mountain, probably too.
Jack: Not his portal.
Cristina: Not his portal.
Jack: There is a portal on the mountain.
Cristina: Yeah. But you think this one specifically is his portal?
Jack: I think this is his access point to places that the mountain portal people wouldn't approve of. Again, but we gotta keep in mind who's stopping this guy? No, why him? Based on what we talked about, we're talking that this dude might be able to bully Jehovah like, easy. That the only reason he's working with Jehovah's because, like, whatever. Why wouldn't I?
Cristina: Yeah, because that's how strong necromancers are. They're even above an Elysian.
Jack: Yes, we know Santa is the peak. I was actually trying to scale them and based on that, God, I thought I was gonna close this, but there's a whole other section I can talk about real quick.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I don't have to go through it, but like, basically it was an entire breakdown of all their abilities or individual reput, classification and connections. And all of them across the board are almost identical. So when you put them in rank, it looks like an order. Merlin is actually the weakest of the three.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that Santa is way on top. But St. Patrick ain't no s*** to be joking with. He is quite up There. And we would argue that the starting point for Merlin is slightly more powerful than a normal Elysium.
Cristina: Yeah. He can mess with time in a way.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So, like, he probably is way more powerful. We just don't have any stories. Except for the one about his death.
Jack: Yeah. But based on what we know in his abilities, he's probably way up to just. Time alone is crazy. And we know Santa also controls time quite effectively.
Cristina: That's pretty powerful stuff that probably Elysians don't have no control over. That's ridiculous.
Jack: Yeah. And in the case of St. Patrick, if he is in that same caliber and this much weaker Merlin can control time, then there is only the logic that so can St. Patrick. And, like, that's why the Elysians. It's not we're working with you. It's. We have no option to. You're forcing us to work with you. That's the idea. You're gonna be here regardless and we can't stop you, so we might as well work with you because there's nothing we could do to you. Yeah, that seems to be the case. That's why his message, his image is the only one that goes untampered in all of this. He as he is. Literally. Oh, Yeah. I brought 33 people. And public records say 33 people. No f**** given. Who's stopping me?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Santa Claus. Public. Everybody knows my name. Everybody in the world. I am varied across the world through many names. Just like Jesus. I am everywhere. Every religion has a version of me. Every faith, every philosophy, every country that exists has a version of me. They fear me equally. I do the same thing in all of them. Just like Jesus. Jesus smart. I don't know where we put Jesus here, but Jesus would then be the fourth necromancer we have if Mary was human.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Except he would probably be even stronger than Santa when now we give him the necromancy title. Assume he can control time easily, enter all three realms effortlessly, has the two stones included and the three fruits that none of the other three necromancers do. He is a problem.
Cristina: Yes. We understand why he's a problem. Like, he's just a bigger problem every time we talk about him.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Every time we learn something new.
Jack: He's bigger. Badder than we know. Not necessarily badder, but he's like. Again, I wouldn't say St. Patrick is a bad guy. He's not doing anything bad. But also, the guys who are trying to advance in the world, they couldn't scratch you.
Cristina: No. But they asked you to do something for them.
Jack: And you were like, cool. Yeah, whatever. Yeah, benefits. Me too. Whatever.
Cristina: Yeah, it's like a trade off, maybe.
Jack: Like, we had to be a benefit for St. Patrick.
Cristina: Yeah. They gave him an island.
Jack: They didn't give him s***. He could have just had the island.
Cristina: It feels like it was a deal. Part of the deal, whatever. This deal was on the mountains.
Jack: Fair enough. Because eventually they do completely evacuate that region. Where are they? Well, they're in the Isle of Man and that side. They abandoned Ireland as a whole, so that was just stationary. They were there for a while and eventually they just. You could have it. We're done with what we need. We finish building over there, we can go to the island we're actually gonna go live on now, which is the invisible other place. The island next to the Isle of Man.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Where they have their whole civilization. Yeah, that makes sense. They were only in Ireland until they could build the other place. Then they went to their place and it's like, places yours.
Cristina: Yeah, sounds right.
Jack: Yeah. Trade off. They did get there first. It was theirs.
Cristina: Are they more powerful? How did they even figure it out?
Jack: Like that means. Because I found that there is a teacher. Or teachers, whatever the case might be important. The idea is to find a teacher. I don't know how. I don't know how, but the idea is to find a teacher because the.
Cristina: Teacher could be anything. It doesn't have to be a human either. It could be a fairy.
Jack: It could be a fairy. Like, yeah, it could totally be the Elon Musk of the world who's like, OpenAI is gonna sell and turn on us. All right, then I' ma go in and imma, hands down, program the most overpowered AI.
Cristina: Yeah. How do we even find this thing?
Jack: I don't know, but at least there's questions to be answered.
Cristina: Yes, we have something. There definitely has to be a teacher.
Jack: There has to be a teacher. There has to be a teacher somewhere. I mean, there's so many questions, but that's what we got. Happy St. Patrick's Happy St. Patrick's Day. I don't know if you guys knew any about these things about St. Patrick. All of this is, weirdly enough, St.
Cristina: Patrick's is not just the demon hunter.
Jack: He is now a fairy killer. Fairy killer. He's God. He's a necromancer.
Cristina: Necromancer. That's his new title. Yeah, necromancer.
Jack: But, like, to any of you people who were like, this ain't even a hard one. This is legitimately, like, way surface Level. You just need to cross reference all the information. It's all there. You could find this guy's name everywhere translated to different languages. You'll see variations of his name and then you'll see he is mentioned f****** everywhere. It is absurd. It is translated to like Hebrew. You'll see that happen a lot. It translated to a Persian. You'll see his name show up a million times, like there are his name. And it's like, oh, no. But you know, obviously the name would just be a Persian name, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, look at the stories just read that. You're gonna be like, what the How? I don't know, bro. I don't know how the h*** these people are finding out about this, man. Obviously they claim you know stories that travel, but.
Cristina: Yeah, what do you think?
Jack: No, it's. It's definitely that, but it's like, God d***, you got reach, bro. You got like Jehovah levels. I mean, Jehovah's got less reach than you. Like, Santa and St. Patrick are killing it, bro. Yeah, killing it.
Cristina: There's something special there.
Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to talk to us about any of these things, you can hit us up on our socials at just convopod on X, on Tick Tock, on Facebook, on Instagram, all the good places.
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Jack: Yes, and word of mouth is the most exaggerated way to get get the show's name and information out there. So tell everybody to come listen and have a great St. Patrick's Day and find out the weird details about St. Patrick.
Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast Tik to take personal. And thanks for listening. Bye.
Jack: SA.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.