Rambling 149: God is a Groundhog

Is God a Groundhog? Does DC make good films or are they trying to race to the position or Marvel without the leg work? Did rock steady create the greatest super hero game? The duo unpacks how Jehovah turned out to be a groundhog, the plans they have to catch him and what other plans are in their “big picture” for the future.

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Topics Discussed

  • Groundhog God
  • Subhumans
  • Cat People
  • Magical Technology
  • Inventing Pokeballs
  • Suicide Squad
  • Marvel vs DC
  • Flash vs Spiderman
  • Rocksteady
  • Arkham Series
  • Spiderman PS4
  • The Joker
  • The Killing Joke
  • The Bible and Groundhogs
  • Groundhog Jesus
  • Moles, Groundhogs and Gophers
  • Dimensional Portals
  • Cat Gods
  • The Apocalypse

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes, and today is particularly interesting because we finally got the f*** off of Mars.

Cristina: Where are we?

Jack: Back in the regular studio?

Cristina: Oh, that's lame. I was hoping for something more exciting, like, I don't know, another planet.

Jack: No, we were just interrogating a bunch of people and using the information we.

Cristina: Had, we're getting somewhere.

Jack: We totally got everything we needed from that.

Cristina: Except we're not actually doing that trip.

Jack: We're not doing that trip. Not yet.

Cristina: Yes. But, like, when that trip happens, we're not involved.

Jack: No. Because we can't risk dying.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: We're important.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not the subhuman.

Cristina: So, yeah, they're there.

Jack: Go die. Yeah, but if they come back and they're like, no, it's safe. Then we go. I guess that's really what we're waiting for.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now that we have all the moving parts, the subhumans are going to get bitten by radioactive beaver God Jehovah. Who? Oh, it's Groundhog God. And then.

Cristina: Yeah, Groundhog.

Jack: Yeah. And then. Well, I guess it's a combo because we're also giving the sub humans adrenochrome as well. And we're letting groundhog God bite these subhumans. So there's super mega duper ultra or they die.

Cristina: How are we going to convince him to do that for us? Oh, no, we're going to, like, try to catch him anyway. And if he bites them, then that's fine, because that's part of the plan.

Jack: Exactly. Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we're gonna try to catch God. So that's already a plan that has to happen. Acquiring adrenochrome, which we have in abundance. That's not really a problem. Our main concern on, like, most days is where everybody else is getting adrenochrome, because it's like, okay, that's kind of f***** up. We got subhumans kind of offering themselves. That's cool. Whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, where the f*** is it? They don't have an army of just people offering themselves as sacrifice. Where the H***, is everybody else getting adrenochrome?

Cristina: That's what's kidnapping people.

Jack: Yeah, I know. That's why it's sketchy. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the reason. It's bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah. So we got that plan in motion. We got sub humans going to be taking adrenochrome, becoming more super, and hopefully catching groundhog God and getting him to bite the subhumans and kind of like rolling around in radioactive waste. They'll get superpowers. Hopefully they don't die.

Cristina: That's what we're hoping. Yeah.

Jack: Then we fling them through the Pyramid of Giza.

Cristina: Hopefully that doesn't kill us.

Jack: Hopefully that doesn't kill them. Using entanglement into the great void, where presumably the cat people are. As according to the information given to us by the.

Cristina: Hopefully they're not lying about that. Yes.

Jack: So, yeah. There's a bunch of maybes in the way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And hopefully those maybes don't result in the death of quite a few individuals.

Cristina: Yep. But luckily, we have so many of them too, so.

Jack: Yeah. There's billions.

Cristina: There's billions.

Jack: There's billions.

Cristina: How often are people getting abortions?

Jack: It's more than anything. More than anything. Which is something we've never discussed, but most subhumans are female.

Cristina: Are they also Chinese?

Jack: Well, we know they're all Chinese.

Cristina: They're not all Chinese. They're all Chinese.

Jack: Yes. China is the one that gives us the subhumans.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Oh.

Cristina: Because our country didn't want to go through the plan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why we get them from others.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I thought the technology was from them. I didn't know the sub humans themselves were also part of that.

Jack: We get the sub humans just straight out from China. From China. They're all Chinese. Like, 99% of them are female.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh. What? I thought that. I don't know.

Jack: No, no. Subhumans are just overpowered women who are hyper intelligent, incredibly strong, incredibly fast. Superior to most beings on Earth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just women. Armies of women.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: I mean, there's a guy here and there. It's not like they're all women, but it's like.

Cristina: Are they, like, deformed guys or. They would have been, unless they.

Jack: Yeah, a lot of them are. A lot of them would have been, like, the really strong r***** or something.

Cristina: Oh, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. There's consistency here. This narrative makes sense.

Cristina: Yes. What? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's horrible, but I guess so. No other country. But after seeing what's going on. No one is like, have some of ours.

Jack: No, because there's no reason to. We can just kill all our babies. And I guess a lot of the African babies and in just use a bunch of Chinese people because they're always willing.

Cristina: But why do they want to destroy their babies?

Jack: Why does who want to destroy?

Cristina: I don't know, the other countries.

Jack: They don't care.

Cristina: They don't care.

Jack: Yeah. Science is stupid.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Haven't you seen what's happening in this country? Religious people are like, science doesn't make sense.

Cristina: Science doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah, everybody's denying science lately.

Cristina: Oh, oh, man.

Jack: Yeah, that's been happening for quite a while too.

Cristina: But it would have been, I don't know. We've been in space. I've been busy with space stuff.

Jack: We have been busy with. Well, not really space stuff. We've for the most, for like a good three to like five months, been really busy dealing with like weird creatures on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then we sent all the ones we captured to Mars, which just means we took a trip through space. But we haven't really been busy with space stuff, per se.

Cristina: Not really. I guess we've been doing a lot of exploring on Earth.

Jack: Yeah, mainly. Mainly hunting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Been hunting creatures now. We got a nice collection. There's way more creatures, but, you know, we capture a bunch and we go and experiment and question and deal with.

Cristina: Them for a little and then we keep them. Like Pokemon?

Jack: Yeah, sort of like Pokemon. I wonder if we can get some Pokeballs invented, some Pokeball equivalents, some Pokeball esque kind of technology so that we can like put a wet judge inside one complicated and then throw it out there.

Cristina: How do you shrink something and keep it alive?

Jack: We turn it into pure energy. We don't shrink it. We turn to pure energy. And energy can be compressed into any size. We just need something that we can hold. But we also need mind control technology that could also be turned into pure energy and contained within the same thing.

Cristina: Why do we need mind control?

Jack: Because why the h*** would I release a wet judge in front of me if I am not 1000% sure it's not gonna kill me?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah. Mind control would be a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. So we need mind control technology and some sort of thing.

Cristina: I thought the government had mind control.

Jack: Technology that we can turn into pure energy and would continue to control. That's what we need to cat people. Oh, this s*** looks like magic, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What's more magical than some technology that doesn't fall apart in Being turned to pure energy.

Cristina: M. Mmm. That's complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's a way. There's a way. There's a direction. Here we can go. Yeah, there are things that are under development, but think about how overpowered we'll be if we could just roam around with these contraptions that are small and we could just keep in our pocket. But I can contain some vicious monsters that could off anything in my way. And it just obeys what I say.

Cristina: So wrong. It's wrong.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: It's just like having subhumans. Why not just have a bunch of balls of subhumans?

Jack: Well, subhumans could just walk next to me and I'd be like, go do a thing. And they'll just do it. But like, what if we want cooler creatures? The subhumans suck.

Cristina: They're not even mind controlled.

Jack: Yeah, are they?

Cristina: No, they're not.

Jack: They're not mind controlled.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Subhumans are just obedient.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, completely.

Jack: Completely.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Undisputably.

Cristina: That's so strange. I don't know. There has to be some weird thing happening with that technology. That's not just what they're telling us.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: They just do whatever.

Jack: Yes, communism.

Cristina: So. But they still have feelings, don't they? Who says happened to their feelings?

Jack: I mean, they have feelings, but they're also obedient. They're soldiers.

Cristina: They're soldiers. Isn't that a danger? I don't know.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because they could turn on us?

Jack: No, but they won't because soldiers are trained not to.

Cristina: And that's never happened. Soldiers have never betrayed.

Jack: I mean, a soldier here and there, but there's never been like a military uprising against the military power.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's always just kind of like, yeah, sure, the guns we gave you, but like, I got the button that drops a nuke on you. So, like, calm down.

Cristina: Okay. And I guess we have a lot of those.

Jack: Yeah. Like, the subhumans might be op, but like, at the end of the day, we can just press a button and you're gone. Chances are some explosives or some s*** inside of them too, just in case.

Cristina: There'S explosives inside of them.

Jack: There might be.

Cristina: There might be.

Jack: They might just be, you know, 1 billion worth of, like, death squad or whatever their name is.

Cristina: What is death squad? What are you talking about?

Jack: Isn't that Suicide squad? It might be like suicide Squad.

Cristina: They have bombs in them.

Jack: Yeah, Suicide Squad. People don't pay attention. They just get murdered. That's why they do it. They're not willing. They are Obligated.

Cristina: Oh, why don't they ever die? I don't know. I haven't seen those movies. They're so horrible. Whatever.

Jack: Movies don't matter. Like, the real Suicide Squad works like that.

Cristina: There's a real Suicide Squad?

Jack: Yeah. It's not some made up s*** that's based on some real s***.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They're all just victims. Or I guess they're criminals who are turned into victims.

Cristina: Wait, they're based on people that were doing that?

Jack: They're based on the comic book series.

Cristina: Comic books. Okay.

Jack: Suicide Squad.

Cristina: All right. I don't know. I don't know about Suicide Squad. Is it the same people too? The same characters?

Jack: There's a bunch. There's different iterations. It's like the Avengers aren't always the same people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All these groups.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Have different versions. And this is one of them.

Cristina: Ah, Is this the lamest one of them?

Jack: No, they're probably all pretty lame. It's more about the DC being garbage as f***.

Cristina: Mmm. Okay.

Jack: It doesn't matter who they would have had there. It would have still been a s***** movie. The writers are garbage. They don't do the work. They just want to race all the way to the front, the way f******. They want the credit that Marvel gets without putting in the work that Marvel does.

Cristina: Like that trailer. Trailer I saw recently. It was for the Flash movie and.

Jack: It was basically just them robbing Spider Man's concept.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of like, well, the universe and you change reality.

Cristina: And now there's more than one of you.

Jack: Yeah, there's three flashes and it's like, what the f. There's in. Like, we don't care about these random flashes.

Cristina: We don't even care about the main Flash.

Jack: You're telling me you brought in two other flashes that I've never seen ever. Just random other flashes. You're not even bringing, like, Barry from the show. Flash. That would make Flash.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. That would make so much sense if that Flash showed. But you're not even doing that.

Cristina: There's just no understand why they got a new Flash. Like if this Flash, this the one for the show, has a huge following, I'm. I'm guessing, right?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, wouldn't it be easier just to make him have the movie instead of having a new actor that we have to fall in love with, I guess, playing this character. Yeah.

Jack: They're trying to make their own Tom Holland and it's not working because Tom Holland is Tom Holland.

Cristina: Tom Holland, Yes. Well, he's now Nathan Drake, too.

Jack: Yeah. Because he's overpowered. He's a really good actor.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, you can't just hire garbage and be like, well, this guy's gonna be amazing. And they're all gonna. No, they're not. And you just stole the Spider man plot, and still nobody gives a f***.

Cristina: Because we don't know that's the Spider man plot. They, like rumors getting up to sale.

Jack: Exactly. But, like, the problem is all these Spider men are from previous Spider man movies.

Cristina: Yeah. Everyone cares about them.

Jack: Yeah. So we like. Oh, the one from the. Or the one not f******. There's one Flash that was in one movie with others, and it was particularly bad movie, and they just made it.

Cristina: And it was still bad.

Jack: Yeah. So he showed up for that one thing, and now you're making the Flash movie like he was the big s*** and everybody loved them. And then you're bringing two other hymns, sort of taking away the point of him being there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because now we got to care about these other two Flash. You were still trying to give a f*** about. The one just brought in more because Marvel's doing it. We got it. Like, bro, you're never gonna get to the front. You're never winning.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Not at this rate.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They got. How many movies before every Avengers thing? Like, come on. They build it up gradually. You started at the Justice League. You were.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: They have Avengers, but they got like 15 movies before the first Avengers. But you know what? You know what? You know what? We're going.

Cristina: I mean, I guess they did what, a few spite. No. Was it a Batman movie, a Superman movie, a Wonder Woman movie? And then the big group movie thing.

Jack: Was the Wonder Woman movie before the Justice League movie?

Cristina: Oh, maybe it wasn't.

Jack: I feel. No. There was Batman versus Superman, Right?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, it was that first.

Jack: That's where she showed up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because these were new Batman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It wasn't like the recent. Batman had his own movie.

Cristina: He didn't know. I thought they had their own, and then they had it together.

Jack: I don't think there was a Batfleck Batman. That was just Batfleck Batman.

Cristina: Oh, he just showed up in Superman.

Jack: I don't know. Let's find out.

Cristina: So you're right. It is. He was only in one movie, which is the Batman versus Superman.

Jack: So that's where he came into existence. I know Superman had a movie first.

Cristina: Yes. But that was the same Superman.

Jack: I believe it was the same Superman. Yes.

Cristina: And it was one movie or three movies or.

Jack: It was one movie. One movie might have been two I'm not entirely sure. But the only one who had previous history in, like, the current.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Was that Superman, because the Batman before this Batman was Christian Bale.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: For the Dark Knight Batman series. And that Batman isn't this Batman. That's a different universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this Batman only exists for Batman versus Superman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where Wonder Woman gets introduced. So we got two new superheroes who did not have their own movies. And then Superman, who had one, maybe two movies. So it was Superman, then Batman versus Superman. Superman, including Superwoman, and then finally a Justice League movie. Like, they somehow built up to it.

Cristina: There's something not right.

Jack: Meanwhile, Iron Man 1, and I believe, Iron Man 2. Hulk. There was what the else was this. Thor.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: America.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There was. There was work. There was work.

Cristina: There was a lot of movies. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Then Avengers, Then all those had one to two more movies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And others had movies. And then second Avengers movie. Then again, Mad had movies more. So every time there's more than before. Nevertheless, there's a lot of movies. It was like five at the beginning. Avengers, then like 10, then Avengers, then like 20, then Avengers.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, right now it's not just movies, but it's movies and TV shows.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And probably cartoons.

Jack: All like.

Cristina: Like, all related to the same thing.

Jack: To make one f****** thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While D.C. is just made of garbage.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, you guys love. No, no. The reason we love Marvel isn't because we love superheroes. Objectively. I don't like superheroes. Superheroes are f****** stupid. Most of them are kind of gay.

Cristina: You don't even like Super Spider Man. Do you like Spider Man?

Jack: Spider man might be one of the only ones, because the reality of Spider man is kind of a womanizer. Nobody really registers the fact that he saves people. He doesn't need to. And takes them to the top of buildings, which takes them.

Cristina: I don't care about.

Jack: Yeah, he's. Because he gets away with it.

Cristina: Yes. But so many superheroes do.

Jack: Not the way he does. He's kind of as Scooby.

Cristina: He's what?

Jack: Because he has to hold them a certain way in order to continue swinging as well. So he's holding them from. While they're pressed against him. Or he's holding. And so he's a very interesting guy in that he gets to kind of feel people up, particularly women. He doesn't treat guys like that.

Cristina: We don't know that.

Jack: Well, what we see is that he doesn't treat guys like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Treats women like that. So, yeah. An interesting, inappropriate feller. But DC Sucks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Marvel works for it. DC just wants. They just want what they get for Marvel has. Nobody cares about superheroes like that. They care about the work. There is an interest in seeing conclusions and growth and progress. And these characters age and change. And the casting is kind of astounding. Robert Downey Jr. And Iron man are the same f****** thing. Like, Robert Downey Jr. Isn't acting. He's just pretending to have a different name and just being him.

Cristina: These characters, we get to watch them grow, which I don't. I doubt we see in Batman in any of those mc. I mean, any of those DC movies.

Jack: Yeah, like those.

Cristina: Do any of them change at all? Are they the same character the whole time?

Jack: Yeah, they're pretty black. And I mean, Wonder Woman is the only one. But we don't even see her really grow. We get her past and then her current state in the present and like, we don't see the change. While we literally see opinions alter in the Marvel universe.

Cristina: That's why that epic movie with them going against each other. Yes.

Jack: That's some crazy s***. Just good guys versus good guys. Because we disagree.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. They can't do that. Because it wouldn't make any sense. That Batman vs Superman probably didn't make much sense. It just. Batman doesn't like Superman because he's an alien. That's enough for him.

Jack: That's so dumb. There was philosophic ideology being questioned in Civil War.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as the viewer, you can sit back and question it. You can truly take a seat back and be wondering, who do I side with? Do I believe their identities should be kept secret and they shouldn't be held accountable because they are saving the world? Or should there be rules and regulations and then be held accountable and their identities not be kept secret? Which, yes, theoretically endangers their families, but also they themselves are a danger to cities and people, everyone's family. So who do you side with?

Cristina: That's really.

Jack: Neither argument makes either side a bad guy.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I should have the ability to save people regardless, because the. The dangers that are coming are worse than what happens in stopping the danger. That's a pretty good argument. Like, you're saving more people regardless if the world gets destroyed. What's the point if I destroy one city saving the world? Well, the world got saved.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Versus the. Well, we consistently destroy. S***. We should be held accountable. We will be restricted. And there's a chance that because of those restrictions we fail, but we were held accountable. And it's like, I get it. You are being held accountable. And you are watching out to not kill people in the process of trying to save people. That makes sense.

Cristina: To be accountable after saving.

Jack: To be held accountable. And there'd be rules and regulations and restrictions on what you can do so that you don't just level a city.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Figure out how to save the world without leveling a city.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, both arguments are pretty solid.

Cristina: Yeah. Did they come up with a conclusion in the end? What was the conclusion? They just kept their. They just kept their identities though, right? I think.

Jack: I don't know. I don't remember how that f****** concludes. I just know Batman versus Superman was like, I don't trust him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, bro. What?

Cristina: But then it's like, oh, his mom has the same name as my mom. Now I trust him. Is that it?

Jack: That's some like that. Yeah, it was some like that. That's crazy, dude.

Cristina: I don't know who watches these. Beautiful.

Jack: That's crazy. It is Martha Kent and Martha Wayne, right?

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe I think it's Martha.

Jack: I think that was Martha.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Because Martha Kent and Martha Wayne. So I don't know. It just made sense in the mind of those f****** writers.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And then like, what is even this? Justice League? How the f*** do you guys know each other? You like, well, you got powers. Come on, let's go f****** fight together.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, no, we don't give a s***. You just half robot. Great. Whatever, dude. Like, yeah, I'm f****** half robot. And I like played football. Oh, yeah, I'm gonna f***** like, dude, dude, maybe. Maybe we see proof that you're the good guy. Not just Batman shows up and he's like, you're a good guy. Join us. What the f***, dude?

Cristina: You want a cyborg movie beforehand?

Jack: That would make sense. We got a whole Iron man movie before f******. What is it? His name, Nick Fury shows up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And is like, I'm building a team.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, we need you.

Cristina: Because he does this ever movie. Because not a lot of people know Cyborg. Nah, like they might like if they're lucky. Some people saw the cartoon that he was in, Teen Titans, but I doubt a lot of people did.

Jack: Yeah, I know.

Cristina: They know Superman. Batman.

Jack: And Wonder Woman.

Cristina: And Wonder Woman.

Jack: And Flash.

Cristina: The Flash.

Jack: Yeah, and the Green Lantern.

Cristina: I guess some people don't. Yeah, because of that movie.

Jack: No, because of the movie. Green Lantern is quite popular.

Cristina: It is. Okay.

Jack: Green Lantern's popular, Flash is popular. Batman's popular. Superman is popular. Wonder Woman is popular. Out of all of them, the most popular is Batman. Like, hands down, he has the most movies, the most cartoons, and he's well known for his villains who are way more interesting than he will ever be.

Cristina: Most games. Video games, Yes. I feel like.

Jack: Yeah, dc.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Why?

Jack: Spider man has way more games. Spider man has way more games than any other superhero. I believe every single console generation has had one or two Spider man games, starting back at, like, Super Nintendo.

Cristina: Oh, man, I missed out. Okay. Whoa.

Jack: And even when the movies came out, there was one per movie. There was. P.S. no.

Cristina: Oh, they were so good. Okay.

Jack: They're pretty good. The first one was all right. It wasn't, like, astounding, but it was like a legit good, believable, great game. Then the second game was one of the greatest superhero games of all time to this day. Acclaimed for its amazing or like, like, movement revolutionization.

Cristina: Was it the same story as the movies?

Jack: A lot of the. The main core story was. And then there was a bunch of side s*** that never happened in the.

Cristina: Movies, but it was very Marvel related.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Characters that probably weren't in the movie and stuff like that.

Jack: Yeah, they never add. They never. Nobody's ever made up a new character that would suck. That just happened for Batman. Arkham Knight.

Cristina: They made up a character.

Jack: Well, they. They didn't necessarily make up a character. They may. They originated a character. Yeah, they. They created a new origin story.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Arkham Knight is Red Hood.

Cristina: Okay. And people probably know him as Red Hood.

Jack: People know him as Red Hood, but not Arkham Knight.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And that is amazing how they twisted this and made an entire game revolve around.

Cristina: And it still makes all sense.

Jack: And it still made perfect sense. That's fire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's amazing.

Cristina: DC doing it right. Well, not dc.

Jack: That's not dc.

Cristina: That's Rocksteady. Rocksteady doing it right.

Jack: That's Rock Steady doing it right. Once they got their hands on that, they did nothing but fire all the way in. Arkham Asylum, Arkham City, Arkham Knight, Arkham Origins, the Arkham series, whatever, is their.

Cristina: Newest one is going to be. That's gonna be interesting.

Jack: But that's not them.

Cristina: That's not.

Jack: It's not them. It's somebody. But look, they already laid down the bricks that everybody else can use. Not only that, but already every game after Rocksteady created this amazing fighting mechanic, every game has been.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we can expect the next Batman game where you can play two, three, four superheroes, depending on how many that. That's gonna be. Pretty badass. And the fact that it's co op.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: But Rocksteady did that. Amazing. And it's the only game that to this day competes with. And it's arguably better than the Spider man series.

Cristina: It's better. Well, I guess.

Jack: I guess you go ahead and tell me. Spider Man PS4 versus Arkham Knight, please. Arkham Knight. Not to say Spider Man PS4 isn't astounding.

Cristina: Yes. And they both. They both have their weaknesses, but like they're both perfect. I'm just thinking of like the weird car stuff in one of those Batman games. Arkham Knight. Yeah. That was like. But I don't get it. In Spider man though. It had a side thing that was super annoying too. That was like. The game is perfect. It's just this quest that you have to do for some reason was really annoying, but everything else was perfect.

Jack: But like, which one's better to you?

Cristina: To me?

Jack: Yeah. Which one do you think is a better game?

Cristina: The Batman game.

Jack: My only argument for these would be that obviously Batman is a significantly more serious, like dark, like legitimately, literally darker game. Like visually story wise. Although I will say that out of all the Spider man games and even some Spider man movies, this game is the most adult of all of those. It is focusing heavily on some real, real adult themes.

Cristina: We can't get dark. Darker than like Joker.

Jack: No. Because that's f***** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can only put that in Batman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There isn't a villain in any other thing that I have seen. F*** like that. And like the movie Clockworks Orange. That guy can still not compete.

Cristina: No, no, no, no. You know, I don't think so.

Jack: There's no villain who's catching up to the Joker. He's objectively. And it's crazy because it's not even like with purpose, which is the most f***** part. It's just cuz he felt like doing it. Doesn't matter what the f*** it is we're talking about, he just felt like doing it. You know, kidnap Barbara, I'll rape her, I'll record myself doing it. I'll beat her, I'll torture her, and I'll send that to her father. Why? Cuz funny.

Cristina: I don't understand. It's so horrible. That was in a game though. Yes, it was. No, it wasn't.

Jack: That was in the game.

Cristina: I saw that somewhere.

Jack: That was in the game. But that was also a movie. It was all in what family? Some s*** family. What? The Killing Joke?

Cristina: Horrible. Yes.

Jack: That's f*****.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That shouldn't Be a movie. Oh, man. I would like to see that as a movie. No, it's too dark.

Jack: It is, man. That would be a crazy f******. That would be amazing, though. Can you imagine a live action movie circling that topic? That'd be the darkest Batman movie ever.

Cristina: Yes, that would be. I don't think people could watch that. I don't know. I don't think so.

Jack: That's the day we need Jake Gyllenhaal to play Joker.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: We need him to be able to go as f***** as possible.

Cristina: I don't know. Would he be into that movie? That movie is so crazy. It's just too crazy.

Jack: It's Jake Gyllenhaal crazy.

Cristina: It's the first. It's. It's really a good example of Joker, I guess it's the best example.

Jack: It's the best example of Joker. All of that for an idea at most. And he's half committed to the idea was just mainly because he was funny and he wanted to do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Half committed to the idea. It's just. I had a thought. I'm gonna follow through with the thought. At the end of the thought.

Cristina: Mm. That's the one where he thought he was dying. Is that the same one?

Jack: No, that's a whole other thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, that's a whole other scenario.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: So awesome. It's just everything involving the Joker is so badass.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They should just abandon all of the bullshit that's happening in dc.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just focus on the Joker. That seems to go pretty well.

Cristina: Except for that one time where they did the first suicide. When they did the first Suicide Squad movie.

Jack: That was. That had no Joker in it. I know. They had, like, what, three minutes of them?

Cristina: They should have focused on Joker. I mean.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Like I'm saying, any time they have focus on Joker twerked.

Cristina: Exactly. They know that. So what? Did they. Why.

Jack: No, they don't know that. That's why they did that. Well, if they did know that, they wouldn't have done that.

Cristina: I thought they did that because they knew. Oh, you like this character. Here he is for a few seconds. Maybe you'll still love this movie. I don't know.

Jack: No, I'm pretty sure there was more of him. It was based on him. And then they kind of decided, oh.

Cristina: Okay, DC has no clue what the.

Jack: F*** they're doing is some of what's happening.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. They should focus on the Joker. He's so creepy. He's a nightmare. He is a nightmare.

Jack: Yeah. Joker's problematic, but I don't know what the f*** is wrong with DC anyways. Just like the Suicide Squad people, old subhumans probably got explosives inside of them or some there's some red that's stopping them from flipping on us. Other than military commitment, it's gotta be explosives.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Think.

Cristina: Hmm?

Jack: I don't know. We don't need to know. We just know. They're obedient. Yeah, they're obedient. And they do what we say, how we say, because we say. And they don't even question it.

Cristina: They're gonna be bitten by some wild animal. That's gonna be interesting.

Jack: It's not a wild animal.

Cristina: It's God, I guess. But he's disguised as a wild animal.

Jack: Or that's his real form. Or that God made other groundhogs in his image. When he said I made man in my image, we thought it was us. We called ourselves Man.

Cristina: He was a groundhog.

Jack: Groundhogs are men.

Cristina: Oh, crap. So are we men. Wait, so does that make us groundhogs?

Jack: No, we just. We're just.

Cristina: Should we just change our name?

Jack: We're just apes. We've had a name. We're just like. We're man though. No, no, Groundhog are men.

Cristina: What about humans? We're not humans either.

Jack: We gave ourselves a title. We're primates.

Cristina: Or primates.

Jack: Okay, Particular like a derivative of chimp or some s***.

Cristina: So we should call ourselves primates though. Yeah, just stick to that.

Jack: Yeah, we're definitely some sort of primate, all right. Human is a self given title because we're f****** full of ourselves and believe that, you know, God's chose. We think we're the main character always. And if God chose, somebody had to be us. It couldn't be f****** groundhogs.

Cristina: It was the groundhog.

Jack: It was the groundhogs.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. Groundhogs are man. You heard it here first, people.

Cristina: That's so life changing.

Jack: Why? How does it change your life to know the groundhog are men?

Cristina: I don't. Because does that mean, like all the stories are based on groundhogs?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like we're picturing humans going through all this?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You're saying it's not humans?

Jack: I'm sure dolphins think it's them. The Bible is talking about. Whaat they're like. Yeah, of course. It was like the dolphin from the east that experienced all this.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Jesus was a dolphin.

Cristina: Adam and Eve is a dolphin.

Jack: Adam and Eve were dolphins.

Cristina: Okay, how did the garden work? It was an underwater garden.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It Was an underwater garden.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay.

Jack: I mean, everything is adapted, isn't it? Jesus is from an area which dictates his skin would be particularly dark. But over here we're like nice light skinned because we decided he's white now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So like, why would it be a stretch to say anybody else is doing the same thing? Nevertheless, we did the same thing collectively. And just saying humans, and not only then human, but like between different areas, different versions of human.

Cristina: Different versions of human.

Jack: Yeah. Over there he's black. Over here he's white.

Cristina: Okay. But in truth, he is a groundhog. A groundhog.

Jack: Jesus was a groundhog, alright. Adam and Eve were the first two groundhogs to not be Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes, that is very strange.

Jack: Okay, first there was a groundhog called Adam. And then out of Adam the groundhog's ribbon came Eve the groundhog.

Cristina: What about, what's that other lady, Lilith? Is she a groundhog too?

Jack: Yes, everybody's a groundhog.

Cristina: Everybody.

Jack: Everybody in the Bible's groundhog.

Cristina: And she turned into a demon.

Jack: That's why demons have weird shapes. We're like, oh my God, it looks like some kind of crazy.

Cristina: No, she was just a shapeshifter. But wait, so these groundhogs, the first groundhogs, had shape shifting abilities? Like deeper than God?

Jack: Just the one, just little. Not all of them. Just the nor. Anybody who had normal shape shifting abilities and we're thinking they have it from human, will have the same shape shifting ability. Except they're groundhog. That hasn't changed.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The rules haven't changed. We just have to think groundhog instead of human.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: Except groundhog is human. Not even human. Man. Man is groundhog.

Cristina: Yes, human.

Jack: Well, that's us. Whatever. But man is groundhog.

Cristina: Okay, that's so ridiculous.

Jack: But it's the truth.

Cristina: The truth?

Jack: Yeah, it's the undisputable truth. The Bible's talking about groundhogs.

Cristina: Yeah. The world needs to know this though. I guess it's important. It's crazy. How do we find this out? We haven't really found this out yet though.

Jack: Yeah, we're assuming God is a groundhog and then gonna go hunt a groundhog down to see if it's God.

Cristina: But how do we find out whether he's God or not?

Jack: We're gonna go get the original groundhog, the one that tells us the weather.

Cristina: He's just gonna tell us that?

Jack: Yes, because God doesn't lie. We could just ask him. He's all good.

Cristina: He should tell the truth.

Jack: He should always tell the truth. We're gonna be like, are you God? Mmm. It took millions of years for somebody to pose this question, but yes. And then, boom, we drop a cage on him and he's caught. Because his one and only weakness is normal groundhog weaknesses. He's a groundhog? He's a God up until that point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's how it goes.

Cristina: Is he living a normal groundhog life?

Jack: What would you consider normal groundhog life?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Whatever they do digging holes.

Cristina: Digging, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: God just spends all day digging holes.

Cristina: Is that what they do? I feel like that's why they're called groundhogs. Right.

Jack: I'm assuming groundhog is a lot like a beaver. Probably building some sort of. D***.

Cristina: But don't they come out of holes?

Jack: Maybe. I don't know.

Cristina: Isn't that part of their story?

Jack: But like, after you have your hole built, like, what do you do? You built another hole?

Cristina: Yeah. You have a whole tunnel system underground.

Jack: Is that what they do?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: And what do they do with the tunnel system?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: I got tunnels. Cool, cool. Where do they go? To other tunnels?

Cristina: Yes. To run from predators somehow.

Jack: Now what's the name of that game where you hit the thing and its head goes down, pops up and.

Cristina: Are those groundhogs?

Jack: No. I'm asking what the f*** that is.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's a weasel.

Cristina: Weasel? Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. Pop goes a weasel. Is that what it is? Hitting the f****** hammer thing?

Cristina: I know what you're talking about.

Jack: I feel like weasel is the wrong word, though. It's not a groundhog, though.

Cristina: It's not a weasel. Are you sure?

Jack: Is it whack a mole?

Cristina: Whack a mole.

Jack: So it's a mole.

Cristina: Oh, are we thinking of moles when we're thinking of groundhogs, man? Are they the same thing?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: No.

Cristina: If we look at a picture, would they look like different things?

Jack: I don't know. Let's find out right now. Let's. Let's have this pulled up and see if a groundhog and a mole are the same thing. Because I've never thought of these two things simultaneously. Maybe we could be wrong. Maybe they're like cousins. Like a groundhog is a type of mole or a mole is a of type groundhog.

Cristina: That could be.

Jack: But I feel like a mole and a beaver are, like, related. And a beaver isn't out there digging holes, it's out there building dams. But they look a lot alike.

Cristina: They do look a Lot alike.

Jack: And there's like the big rat thing that also looks like them.

Cristina: What big rat thing?

Jack: It's just a rat that's really huge.

Cristina: Is that a mole?

Jack: No, it just looks like a groundhog or a beaver.

Cristina: Moles are giant rats.

Jack: Holy f***. What's a gopher?

Cristina: Gopher? I don't know. I've heard of a gopher, but I have no idea.

Jack: S***. That's another one.

Cristina: Is a gopher a mole? Cause they're not showing us any moles.

Jack: Is it? I don't know. Is a gopher mole? It might be. So you tell me.

Cristina: It looks like a giant hamster. Like a humongous hamster.

Jack: I don't know. Gopher, mole, vole, vol.

Cristina: I do not know the difference. This picture is not helpful. Okay.

Jack: Point is, a groundhog is not a mole or a gopher. It is, but a gopher does dig a hole. I know that much.

Cristina: There's a mole. That's what a mole looks like. Oh, they're blind.

Jack: Yeah, a mole is some other s***.

Cristina: They live in holes for sure.

Jack: For sure. I think they exclude.

Cristina: So does a gopher. I'm so they all. They're all. They're just giant rats that live in the ground. I think that's what they all are.

Jack: Except the groundhog.

Cristina: No, groundhog too. Why would groundhog not live underground? It's in their name.

Jack: Why would a groundhog live underground?

Cristina: Cuz they. Cuz their name. They're hogs that live underground.

Jack: Okay, that's crazy weird. So groundhogs are probably what people see most often because gophers are barely ever overground at all. They kind of not just dig holes, but almost exclusively live underground. And some mammals that just lives underground.

Cristina: Are moles the same?

Jack: I don't know. But I know gopher.

Cristina: They're the blind ones.

Jack: They probably also just live underground. But a gopher is rarely ever above ground. And a groundhog does come out. In fact, a groundhog exists primarily outside of the ground.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So for a groundhog, the ground is just a home to store things.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: They sleep there. They hoard food there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they do have complicated tunnel systems. But that's just to pop up somewhere, somewhere else and go hunt.

Cristina: That's what I was thinking.

Jack: Yeah. So when we see something, it's a go. A groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't see gophers and probably don't see moles all that often. That being said, there is a significant size difference as well as a gopher is about 2 pounds. And a groundhog is about 12.

Cristina: That is huge.

Jack: There's a huge physical difference.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. Is that 12?

Jack: Yeah. About £12 for a groundhog.

Cristina: They call it a giant squirrel, though.

Jack: Yeah. Which it's also. All of the above is under rodents. They are all different rats.

Cristina: Okay. What? And you know, groundhogs are also called woodchucks.

Jack: A groundhog is a woodchuck.

Cristina: Yes. That's why the answer is 00 wood. Because groundhogs don't.

Jack: Because a woodchuck doesn't chuck wood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. Because that's the answer. How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? None. Because a woodchuck doesn't chuck wood.

Cristina: I think that's right. Why did they call them woodchucks? I guess cuz they're teeth. They still have those giant teeth. Like they look like they can do something.

Jack: And a beaver isn't a f****** woodchuck. A beaver f**** with wood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's how they build a dam.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know what their nicknames are. Maybe they also are called woodchucks.

Jack: Maybe all these f****** that look the same are all woodchucks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Maybe it's just like a blanket term we invented for all these very similar things.

Cristina: These giant rats.

Jack: Hey, there's a woodchuck. Which one? A beaver. Well, I saw a woodchuck earlier. Which one? A groundhog.

Cristina: Yes. But they're all just giant rats, Right?

Jack: They're all just giant rats.

Cristina: So God is a giant rat.

Jack: God is probably a giant rat. Either that of some sort of cockroach. But that's wrong. We destroyed that planet and there was like no God coming to talk to us.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: So it's probably a gopher. Groundhog. Not a gopher. Groundhog. It's probably that first groundhog that tells us the weather.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just God playing around with humans.

Cristina: What's his name? Phil something, maybe.

Jack: Phil. Yeah, it was some s*** like that. Whatever. It's like Chuck. Yeah, Real neutral, unimportant name.

Cristina: His name should have been Chuck. I don't know. Groundhog name.

Jack: Chuck, maybe his name as a human is Chuck. He can still morph. He just is a groundhog at the moment.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: We don't know. It's just he spends like.

Cristina: So we have to wait until Groundhog Day to find him?

Jack: Yeah, probably.

Cristina: How long do we have until then?

Jack: Well, we go where we would normally see him during Groundhog Day and find him there somewhere in a hole.

Cristina: Somewhere in a hole. We can't just see the event and Just kidnap him during that event.

Jack: We're not gonna wait for Groundhog Day. We'll go where we see him. During Groundhog Day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And search for him now there.

Cristina: What if he. They don't actually have him living there. Like, they just put him there on Groundhog Day.

Jack: Nobody puts him there. He's God. He goes there. And presumably he lives in the area.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I assume that he lived in, like, a mansion or something. And then on the day they're like, okay, let's take you to where you should be. No.

Jack: There is a hole that is also the gate to heaven. Oh, I can't live in a mansion. If you can just take a hold. Heaven.

Cristina: Yeah. Should we explore that hole?

Jack: We're probably gonna find heaven through that hole. Yeah, we probably definitely gonna explore that hole.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what happened to the hole in my backyard?

Jack: It's still there. It's not a hole. It's a portal.

Cristina: It's a portal. Yeah, but so is that hole is a portal. I guess so. Are they to the same place?

Jack: No.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: We know factually that your portal, the one that's in your backyard, leads to somewhere else entirely. And we sent Ish jumped in and out.

Cristina: But how does he know that he's looking at heaven?

Jack: Because when I'm sure we're gonna see heavenly things, not just more f****** normality.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure that's exactly what heaven looks. What does heaven look like?

Jack: Clouds and angels.

Cristina: That is not how it looks like. No way. There's mansions built by Jesus. Yes.

Jack: That wasn't on the other side of the portal in your backyard.

Cristina: What was there?

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: Nothing.

Jack: There's nothing. I mean, there was, like, ground.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: You jump to the other side, and it's just, like, dirt and crap.

Cristina: Well, maybe if we went further, we would found the mansions.

Jack: We're gonna find the mansions through the gopher hole to the groundhog hole.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's where it is.

Cristina: So we're just gonna abandon the.

Jack: No, we're just gonna do different science with that.

Cristina: Okay. There's too many projects at once.

Jack: That's what we do. We organize stuff.

Cristina: When are we gonna get to the first one, though?

Jack: That's actively happening?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We sent subhumans through there.

Cristina: That was to explore.

Jack: Yeah. Just gonna be there with them while they're what? Just wait patiently doing nothing, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay.

Jack: No, get other. We have a bunch of people. We're just gonna do one project at a time. And everybody else just stay idle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Use our resources because we need.

Cristina: What if I don't know, I won't. Like, what could we learn from that?

Jack: We'll find out when information returns. Based on the info, we'll know what we could learn?

Cristina: I guess. Yes.

Jack: Like, without knowing what's there, we don't know what we could learn. That would just be us guessing and probably wrong. Once we get the information.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm. We'll find out.

Jack: Yeah, we'll find out. It'll make sense when it comes through.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: See, that's what we use the subhumans for.

Cristina: So now we need that groundhog.

Jack: Yeah, we need to go get that groundhog to get these people bitten. Go send them to the doohickey over there in the great void. Attack those cat gods, maybe bring some back. Probably bring some back.

Cristina: Prison them some cat gods.

Jack: Yeah, we got cat people. They let us know where the cat gods are. Then we go send our jacked up subhumans out there to go capture us a God, bring them back. Maybe this is gonna go really poorly because if we capture Jehovah the groundhog and cat gods, but they're all trying to ultimately become the ultimate, ultimate, ultimate God by drinking blood of other gods. And we just brought multiple gods together.

Cristina: We should probably not put them in the same place together.

Jack: Nah, we shouldn't. We should definitely have them in different cells. So no matter what, Jehovah the groundhog needs to be kept in a cage that disables his powers on Earth. No, they're all gonna be in the same prison, but they're not gonna be together.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then the cat gods are also gonna be on Mars in a different thing, completely without technology and away from all their things. And then we can start our interrogation process and our control process and see if we can.

Cristina: If their technology looks like magic, how do we know if they have, like, what of, like, how do we know they didn't take in something magical with them?

Jack: Because it would look like magic, and we would stop them from having that thing. Whatever looks like magic. You can't have that.

Cristina: Okay, but if it doesn't look like magic, but then it turns out to.

Jack: Be magic, then there's nothing we could do because it's magic.

Cristina: That would be a huge problem.

Jack: Yeah, that would be a problem. No matter what. At that point, we can't do anything because it's magic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would have failed regardless, because magic, assuming it's just technology that looks like magic, we just keep them away from it and we're good.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's how things get done, man.

Cristina: Yes. We got so much to do. Yep.

Jack: That is the reality of the matter. So, yeah. Hopefully those projects work out. It's weird being back on Earth, being back in the studio after having been on Mars for a while.

Cristina: Mars was exciting.

Jack: It was interesting. It was interesting. We got to see a bunch of our hard work, a bunch of the s*** we captured and put up there.

Cristina: And those storms were amazing.

Jack: Yeah, there was some weird storms, man. We f***** kind of. Man, we f***** reality up a little.

Cristina: I don't know. It seems pretty normal.

Jack: There were no storms on Mars before. Then we took this f****** other s*** besides.

Cristina: Besides the storm.

Jack: And there's like a whole species that has been primarily extinct and scattered across the galaxy of cockroach people. On top of the fact that we have have a bunch of Reptilians totally captured and enslaved up there with a bunch of other creatures, the people on Earth.

Cristina: Nothing has changed.

Jack: Nothing has changed.

Cristina: Just a pandemic. That's it.

Jack: Which could arguably be a disguise. Not a disguise, but rather part of how we somehow reality. By first taking out Mars, Planet X coming, like, up its. Its orbit, and then having to steal a Mars in the first place to replace it. We changed the course of things.

Cristina: So we might have started Covid.

Jack: We might have to Covid. Oh, like, it's not. We can't prove it. So, like, nobody can blame us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, if we really thought about it, like, we really just. Like, what went wrong recently? Maybe blowing up a whole planet.

Cristina: Maybe. Maybe having zombies.

Jack: Maybe having a island with zombies.

Cristina: Like, maybe they got diseases.

Jack: Like, I sent a lot of people to the future and I used to the f****** time machine to like, look at the past a couple of times. Like we.

Cristina: Like you did.

Jack: There's. There's a high, high possibility, like a particularly hot knot that can't be proven. Nobody could look at me and be like, you did it.

Cristina: Yeah. But like, the cancer that our show gives, like.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. There's no real way to prove it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Without it being like, anecdotal. But like. Like probability suggests maybe we had something to do with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There was no f****** giant pandemic that hopped out of a bat. And then for whatever reason, we did a bunch of s*** in the last couple of years. And then boom. Some impossible plague that continues to mutate and overpower. Most things happen to just by chance. Random chance has nothing to do with me. And. Yeah. So, you know, maybe. Maybe f****** with time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F****** with this beast continuum or with.

Cristina: Creatures that can transform into anything. Pretty much shape shifting. There's a lot of shapeshifting and then.

Jack: F****** with the other realms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, there's some s*** like we do a lot of s*** we probably shouldn't.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it's our job.

Cristina: It is our job.

Jack: That's what matters. We're good at what we do. Who else is gonna go catch a wet judge? Who else is gonna go catch a win dingo? Who's gonna catch a werewolf? Huh? Who is gonna catch vampire? Who's gonna go catch a mermaid? Sirens. Huh? Huh? Nobody. Who's gonna have physical ghosts imprisoned? Huh? Huh?

Cristina: I think that was Chinese technology as well.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Well, actually we went to the. What was the name of that other place? A shadow realm.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: We're using shadow realm technology for a lot of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And ghosts are just often creatures from the other. But the point is we like. We figure it out and we do things nobody else will do. Who's gonna do it? And this bring full circle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Full circle comes back to. Do we let these things go unknown forever or do we have the freedom to do our job without restrictions? This is civil war, man.

Cristina: Yeah. We're like. The people from Supernatural were like, we're stopping the apocalypse, but also we're starting the next apocalypse.

Jack: But we stopped that too.

Cristina: Yeah. As long as we stop it, it's alright, Right?

Jack: Yeah. Because there was already an apocalypse going to happen at the beginning that we stopped. But it's kinda like Final Destination. We survive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then the universe wants to kill you anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like we didn't technically start the next thing, but no matter what we do, it's kind of like the time machine, right? That girl was gonna die no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he saved her, but then she died a different way. So we're out here just plugging holes on the bow for another hold of pop. But we're delaying the end.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's good. Yeah. For the last like six years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You guys have avoided the end of the world. And it's coming every year.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But we stop it and we push it back.

Cristina: Yeah. When was the last end of the world it was gonna be in? I think May I told the story about some priests that said it was gonna be the end of the world. We stopped that from happening.

Jack: We stopped that from happening. This is just what we do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is just what we do. And nobody can tell us we're not good at our jobs. Why did the Illuminati put us here? Because we get done. Why are we. Who tell the subhumans what to do? Anybody else could be given that privilege. One billion people.

Cristina: We're the ones. We're the ones, too.

Jack: I mean, it's other people, but we primarily.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we get things done. That's who we are.

Cristina: That's why we get to run the zombie.

Jack: I mean, that's our own little side project, I guess. Probably bad idea, to be honest, but.

Cristina: No one's telling us to stop.

Jack: Exactly. Because we get s*** done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we are allowed our fun zombie island.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whatever. Like, who's gonna stop us? Because we get s*** done. So if the Illuminati doesn't question us, you don't get to question us. Because we get s*** done. Anyways, if you guys like this conversation, there's a bunch of other conversations like it that explain how important our job is. And if you're curious as to how we caught wet judges and wendingos and vampire and werewolves and mermaids and sirens and ghosts and creatures from the Shadow Realm and just all the things we've. Cockroach people and reptilians. All of that.

Cristina: So many episodes.

Jack: So many episodes. You get this. Creatures for days. We. We are the greatest monster hunters that have ever existed.

Cristina: We are Sam and Dean.

Jack: Simon got nothing on us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: On Sam and Dean, I'll s*** in their cereal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, you can find those episodes on the official website graythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is incredibly important. So be sure to tell people that we are the greatest monster hunters. And if they want to know about the greatest monster hunting and how s***** DC films are and how good Marvel films are, you direct them towards this show. Additionally, you can find me on the stereo app arguing with strangers about crap that makes no sense and then watching them freak out.

Cristina: Awesome. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks watching for. For listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: The burls that you're hearing say this. Those weren't your bro.

Jack: No, those are strangers.

Cristina: Those are complete strangers.

Jack: Yeah, strangers that look like white people looking at you. No, they were just talking to each other. Saying it over and over.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay. And the doctor told you that.

Jack: The doctor told me what? Yeah, the doctor said it. When I was born the day I was born.

Jack: That's facts.

Cristina: I don't think so. You don't remember that?

Jack: I remember I have perfect memory like that lady from the show House, because I'm obsessed with myself. It's not that I have perfect memory, is that I'm obsessed with everything that ever happened to me since the day I was born.

Cristina: That's kind of crazy. But how is that different from perfect memory? Does it seem the same? Is it different? Like you don't have perfect memory?

Jack: She won't remember any bit of data that doesn't influence her life specifically. Okay, so any event she's ever experienced, she can remember perfectly. Yeah, but just abstract data she's learned probably now because it's not relevant to her life. She's obsessed with herself, which is how House proved it. By catching first finding there was a problem, the second by kind of showing.

Cristina: Her like we could always finding the problem.

Jack: Yeah. He didn't care about. Care about solving no problems. He's like, I found it and this would be the fix. Now do you want me to fix it?

Cristina: Yeah. And then it ruins their life. And they're like, do I? Maybe I should die with this.

Jack: Like that lady who was like, I'm angry at you husband. I'm going, I wish you die. I'm. Pull the plug. I'm angry because he's mean. Pull the plug.

Cristina: Or he cheated or something.

Jack: Yeah, pull the plug. Because people be like that. And then she said.

Cristina: You heard that on House.

Jack: It happened in an episode of House.

Cristina: I think you're hearing things.

Jack: Nah, it happened in an episode of House.

Cristina: No, because I saw that episode. That did not happen.

Jack: It was in that episode. You missed it. No, you missed when she said you're hearing things. Nah, it was said multiple times throughout the episode. She said f*** it over and over.

Cristina: Was he the only one saying it?

Jack: No. Everybody on that episode said the episode's name was Kug Nug. F*** it. And they would random. It's like that pineapple from Psych.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like that.

Jack: That.

Cristina: No, no, it.

Jack: No, I'm going to make that a thing.

Cristina: Okay, Exactly. Cuz it's not a thing.

Jack: Whatever. It is a thing. I'm going to make it more of a thing.

Cristina: You don't even have a definition for it to become a thing.

Jack: It means d*** it. Or.

Cristina: Okay. That's what you're making it mean.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It means that.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazzo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great thoughts, info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling: 148 Catholic Adrenochrome

Why are most of the listeners of the show from England? Why are most people from England Catholic? Why do Catholics love drinking blood? Are priests the primary blood drinkers? IS the blood they have been drinking from the children they spend private time with? The duo takes on some of the darker truths of Catholicism and tries to get to the bottom of how most of the JCP listeners are British. What is discovered in the process is something no one could have imagined!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Cancer
  • Fight Club
  • Vampire Jesus
  • Broken English
  • Time Travel Seamlessness
  • Christian Wars
  • Catholic Caused Genocide
  • Drinking Blood
  • Immortality
  • Child Blood
  • Gods & Adrenochrome
  • How to Make a God
  • Groundhog Powers
  • Subhumans

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to inform somebody of this show at gunpoint if you can, and get them to listen by force. The good old American way. America.

Cristina: Not with guns.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: What if they don't have our largest. Well, actually, the biggest part of our audience is a British, not a Merrickin.

Cristina: You think they don't have guns?

Jack: I'm more concerned about, like, what the f*** is wrong with people listening to this? I was thinking about this the other day. Like, who listens to us?

Cristina: Who listens to us?

Jack: Like, British people.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. The vast majority of our listeners are.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It's like, half is British and then like. Like a quarter is eastern American. Like the east coast and then scattered throughout. It's like, what the f*** happened in f****** England?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why are you listening to us?

Cristina: We're giving them a slice of life of America.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. Are we the example of what American life is to these?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's like. No, it's way more f***** than what we do.

Cristina: We talk about.

Jack: Yeah. Americans don't think this hard. Megas. Don't think America. It's about, you know, I, like, I. I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut. That's America summed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm not gonna wear a mask because I need a haircut logic. So I don't know what the f*** happened. They're like the. Now we're a bad example of what being American is. I mean, I guess the no given aspect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're not like, I don't know, they were emotionally repressed.

Cristina: Is that true?

Jack: I mean, it's a joke that they tell themselves about themselves.

Cristina: It's a stereotype.

Jack: It's a stereotype, but one they joke about. About being emotionally repressed, and we help them with that.

Cristina: How? I don't know where. They're therapists.

Jack: We all.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We're not helping them be more emotionally repressed. We're helping them be less emotional.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They live vicariously through us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we're not emotional. We might be feeding the problem.

Cristina: Okay, well, you're helping them by peer pressuring them in the beginning of the.

Jack: Episode to do something violent, social. Something social. Got you. Yes, yes. Go interact. Got you, got you, got. And then I recon reaffirm it at the end of the show.

Cristina: Exactly. So there's something.

Jack: Because, like, if we think about it, Right. We use the fact that when we look at the. The viewer list or whatever, it's the viewer. They're watching us. Cameras are on the walls, man. No, but the. The vast majority of the listeners are in England. Right. And so we think about that, and we're like. We're basically telling a bunch of British people to go do violent acts primarily to get people to come listen to the show. It's a show about getting you to listen to the show. It's become meta.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every episode, as of late, Maybe the last 15, 20 episodes, are about telling the listener how to get somebody to listen to this show and then kind of describing the circumstance.

Cristina: Yes. We actually go through the adventure of a listener.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who's trying to convince other people to listen to the show.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. And like, semantically, we get sometimes even metaphysical, just trying the. To elaborate in depth on how to listen to the show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's pretty meta. It's a show about listening to the show.

Cristina: Yes. If you need help with that. I don't know.

Jack: Why.

Cristina: Why would we go that far?

Jack: Because they need to get somebody else to listen to the show. For what? So that we can tell that next person how to get someone else to listen to the show. It's a sort of infinite loop.

Cristina: Yes. Although I guess we're a lot like that. The tape from that horror movie where you have to watch it before. You have to get someone else to watch it before seven days or you die.

Jack: Yeah. Except in this case, you have to get somebody to listen before the cancer kills you. Otherwise your life was in vain.

Cristina: Yep. That's pretty much something, I guess.

Jack: Pretty much. Yeah. You got, like, 10 years. It's fine.

Cristina: Yeah, it's like.

Jack: It's way better than seven days. Hey, man, you got more than seven days. Like, you got cancer. Cancer is not our fault. We're not really sure what's happening there.

Cristina: I think it's from those inexpensive. What is it? Wasn't there a tape thing that you're sending people?

Jack: Oh, my.

Cristina: It was Spy Club.

Jack: You think the vcr.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the cassette tape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That has the show recorded on it, by the way. It's a vcr. And the show is not on camera. So you're just getting like.

Cristina: But it looks like Fight Club where it is Fight Club.

Jack: Well, it's. They get Fight Club every time as well.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they get Fight Club, and they get the latest episode of the show, but they only get the VCR the first time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: After they subscribe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I guess the episode is audio recorded over Fight Club, so you're technically getting a Fight Club the movie every time with Fight Club audio.

Cristina: Because I feel like we keep sending them Fight Club. Like, we don't stop sending them.

Jack: No, no, no. They get Fight Club every time. So you're saying that the Fight Club episodes they're getting. I mean, the Fight Club additional Fight Club movies are getting. Are the show recorded over the Fight Club. Fight Club. So it's still Fight Club the movie visuals.

Cristina: Or it might just be like, Fight Club. You first have to watch the whole movie of Fight Club, and then at the credit scene, you get to listen to our podcast.

Jack: There's an hour of credits.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know how long the credits are. Maybe it's just black. And then you hear our podcast.

Jack: Well, I'm thinking you just listen to the podcast over the visuals of Fight Club. So Fight Club the movie is playing as you're watching. Watching as you're watching, and you're hearing us over it.

Cristina: Whether we can do that on YouTube. Just figure out how to put the fight club movie 1.

Jack: To any of our British listeners who've never seen Fight Club, begin your dystopian future by watching Fight Club.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then proceed to dub one of our episodes over the audio of Fight Club so that it's Fight Club with your favorite episode of Just Conversation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then tell us where we could go watch that, because it'll be great.

Cristina: Well, beside. Well, we are sending them these things, but I'm just wondering if that's where the cancer is coming from.

Jack: They're getting the cancer from the cassette?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: No, they get the cancer from listening to us.

Cristina: But how? That's the question. Like, what is happening? It's not like 5G or something?

Jack: No, no, no. Or maybe it is because. Because the idea is something about my. And your voice. It's our voices through the microphones coming out of their speaker or whatever causes them to get cancer.

Cristina: But it's our voices.

Jack: It's our voices. Some combination of our. It might be because we're clones, I don't know.

Cristina: But wasn't. Huh? Was it happening when we were alive?

Jack: No, maybe not. No. I don't I doubt it. I think this. I think, according to the lore of just conversation, it happened after the original died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not entirely sure, but somebody could let us know.

Cristina: But. Okay, so if that's the case, then we're doing it somehow. It's coming from us.

Jack: Our voices, I'm assuming. Maybe that's my. That's my theory. They're getting the cancer from our voices coming through the speaker.

Cristina: But then Dave is a clone too, right?

Jack: Yes. So he probably. Yeah, yeah. He's passing cancer everywhere. If that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He's just giving everybody cancer.

Cristina: Are you gonna let him know that?

Jack: He probably knows.

Cristina: How do you find out. How do you even find out your listeners have cancer? Is that in the data that.

Jack: Yes, exactly. That's exactly how I found out. The same way I found out about.

Cristina: How much listeners are from English.

Jack: Yes. It tells us. For whatever reason, because Facebook, we recently established that Facebook gives us everybody's data all the time. And so I have everybody's medical records, and then I cross reference the medical records with our listener records, and then I get the listeners, and they all have cancer.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see? Logic. It makes sense. That's how we know. I totally. Yes.

Cristina: We got it through Facebook.

Jack: Through Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They work together. It's all the same s***. There's. If we could go high up enough. There's no difference between those two things. There's some other, like, dude telling them what to do. The same guy. Nevertheless, they both respond to the same dude, who's just some guy in, like, a shady robe. Looks like f****** the dark Sith Lord or some s***. You know, dark room surrounded by candles and a bunch of f******.

Cristina: Wearing a mask.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even though everyone knows who he is.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: When you're up there, you're like. You're. You know who he is.

Jack: Yeah. He wears it just because it's cool or whatever. It's edgy. In a freaking, like, chamber somewhere underground or at the top of a crazy tall tower and a floating island or some s*** where there's f******. He's surrounded in this chamber by, like, naked ladies. No, not naked ladies. Adrenochrome. It's a river of, like, adrenochrome around him. Because he's also really f****** old. And I guess he's been running society for, like, most of time or some. Just keeps taking adrenochrome. He's the original. Like, the original virgin sacrifice was to him or whatever the. Well, to whoever the pretended to be Jesus that's that guy.

Cristina: He's that guy.

Jack: He's like, I got religion to take over and I got adrenochrome. Cuz people sacrificed all the way from back then when they didn't know that I was going to pretend to be Jesus. And he gave me a goat. And then he killed his brother cuz his brother had like a ball of lettuce or some s***.

Cristina: Jesus was about sharing his blood, not about taking your blood.

Jack: But that's who. Those are the leaders. Now, like Mark Zuckerfucker has been around an eternity as well. Because he drank Jesus blood and became a vampire, just like Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, wait, he drank vampire blood?

Jack: Jesus is a vampire? He's the first vampire.

Cristina: He's the first vampire.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something was keeping him alive for very long.

Cristina: Yes. Adrenochrome.

Jack: Probably Adrenochrome. And then there was a tipping point where he became super duper mega awesome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now his blood is the strongest, most potent adrenochrome. And he can make other hymns. Not really him, but you know, he can make other people be immortal and s***. By giving them the blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then those people, the twelve apostles of which one is whoever the f***, the guy who runs Google and I don't know why that's not like information. We know more offhand, but we all know Zucker F*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Bezos.

Cristina: Maybe his name is as interesting.

Jack: Maybe. Probably. Like if I heard it, I thought.

Cristina: They both have Z's in their names.

Jack: Right? And like the people who run the world in every aspect. Right. So like the Queen is also for British listeners making references they know, you know, we're on the pulse.

Cristina: What's her name? Elizabeth.

Jack: Elizabeth, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, there's a Z. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: How many names can we think of with a Z?

Cristina: Not many. Not many.

Jack: Zoe, Elizabeth, Zach.

Cristina: How many of those do you know?

Jack: Xena. No, that's a X.

Cristina: That's an X.

Jack: Why does X like a Z sometimes? And other times it sounds like a. Why is xylophone not with a Z?

Cristina: I know, the rules change. I don't know. It sounds like a Z in front of things. Sounds like X behind things. No.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: I don't know. Why is it a Z at the. Just f****** replace it with a Z. I don't know what happened to English, man. We should all just learn Korean. It's way more straightforward.

Cristina: Because that's just about sound. Yeah.

Jack: So much more so in such an intelligent, well thought out language. Not like f****** English. That just had random s*** picked up from random f****** areas. And then the worst part is it somehow became the most popular language. So all the other languages are slowly f****** up by borrowing words from English and just turning their languages into s*** because our words didn't make sense to begin with.

Cristina: Our words never made sense.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Ugh. And then the language we borrowed, French, like, none of that makes sense. That's alien language.

Jack: How are we like, 60% Latin with Germanic characters using primarily, like, out of that, 60% Latin, like, 40% is French. What the f***?

Cristina: I know.

Jack: The h*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. These are definitely not pronouncing it the way they would.

Jack: H*** no. We're already making weird sounds. The problem is a bunch of people from England came to the United States, stole a bunch of French words and pronounced it with latent transferred, morphed, and edited American accent. Accent, which is a derivative of British English. And it's like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Languages? Accents, though.

Jack: Accents for days.

Cristina: There's too many.

Jack: It's all the English fault.

Cristina: It's all the English fault.

Jack: Yeah. They came over here. You. It's the fault of most of our listeners. They came to the US and they were like, I'm gonna say a hard R from now on. It's like, why? And then I'm gonna take a bunch of French words and throw it in the pot. And then when people from the America where we were frying English go back to England, we're gonna steal American words and just stir the pot and just mix it up a little more and it's more confusing.

Cristina: Yes. Why would you do that?

Jack: I don't know. We do what we do to you guys planning? I mean, I guess you are us, but what like, what you do? Why do you do this to the rest of the world? Trying to learn English.

Cristina: We should stop trying to learn English.

Jack: English is based on Latin, right? Well, no, Latin is some Latin, Germanic, whatever. German.

Cristina: Let's go back to Latin.

Jack: Back to Latin.

Cristina: That's too complicated.

Jack: Is it, though?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Everything else came from that. I don't know. That's a deadass language.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, whatever they're saying is Latin now is probably not Latin.

Jack: Like, this isn't even English anymore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What was English, and what is now is some other s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yeah.

Jack: We're still calling it English because we haven't, like, thought of a new name.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But it's kind of not English.

Cristina: We can never tell when the changing point is anyway of when does it stop sounding Old.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. It just needs to be a point that somebody has, like a weird revelation and they're like, what the f***? If I play English from then it's different.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, we can't call it old Old English. This must be something different. From now on, I must say, it's this.

Cristina: We'll just continue saying it's English and.

Jack: Just rename the past. S***.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Well, that's old English. Well, no, that's old Old English. Well, that's old, Old Old English.

Cristina: We should just stick to. It's all English.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. Because if you were to grab somebody speaking English from like the 1700s, you'd be like, what the f*** are you saying?

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: But not English. But that was English.

Cristina: That was Exactly. And it didn't just go from that to this. It slowly morphed into this.

Jack: So it naturally shaped. So we need to make.

Cristina: So it's still English.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's like the baby and an old man.

Jack: Like they're not the same, but they are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair, fair. Like gradually. He wasn't just suddenly an old man.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a weird transformation, man.

Jack: It's weird how everything is gradual, though. Yes, that's strange. The arrow of time is weird because it's not like one panel, then the next, it's like. No, it's seamless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no this and that. It's just we're going through it gradually.

Cristina: Unless you had a time machine.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then you would see.

Jack: No, here's interesting point you'd make, but from your point of view, it's still seamless.

Cristina: It still seems.

Jack: Yes. A time machine couldn't work if you had a cut to black in the middle because you couldn't control where you're going. So it would work like this. Think of the time machine, right? The guy walks into the time machine. If he had a watch inside that time machine and looked at it, it's still moving at normal pace on his wrist. It's outside the time machine that everything is moving rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not only that, from inside the time machine, you're just watching it move at rapid pace. It's not, I'm here, I'm there. It's in order or reverse order, but it's still seamless. There's no, well, here's the black part, and now here's where the rest of it continues. That never happens ever at all. There's never experience of nothingness. It never happened. There's no between the panels. So Even with a time machine, it's still now. It's just now back then.

Cristina: It's now back then.

Jack: Yes. It's still his now. He got. He walked. Okay, this is a ten minute event.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's walking in. It takes him two minutes to walk from his house to the time machine in his way far backyard. And he gets into the time machine. Two minutes pass by. Now he's in that time machine for, let's say, six minutes. Right? He's in that time machine for six minutes. So he walks the time machine, two minutes go by. He got in the time machine. Now he didn't just reality didn't cut out. Now he hits some buttons within this time, you know, and starts slowly speeding up. And time starts going backwards faster and faster and faster and faster. But he sees it gradually speed up. He can witness the experiences happening in reverse order or whatever. And then as he's getting there, starts slowing down, slowing down, slowing down. And then he turns off the machine. And then he walks out of the machine. And it takes him two minutes to get to his house. A week ago. Right. From his point of view, that is still now, even if, time wise, it was a week ago. He didn't blink back to a week ago. He's still aging forward and perceiving time forward as he's moving backward. So there's no cut in seamlessness to him. He has to traverse space even if time is in reverse.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's no cut in space perception.

Cristina: So what is he seeing when he's in the machine?

Jack: He's just seeing the inside of the machine.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is still moving at normal pace. Even if he had a watch on his arm and looked at the time, it's moving at normal pace. And when he got out, if he doesn't get out exactly the same minute from a week ago, the clock is gonna be not in sync. Because the clock wasn't moving backwards on his. The watch isn't moving backwards on his wrist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's all seamless. Even his bubble of time, while everything around him is changing, is seamless. As he's looking out and seeing a change, and as he's inside, there's no I have left space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then things change. But that's also why time travel would be impossible. Because space and time are one thing. It's space time. So you could not exit time to move space.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And you could not exit space to move time.

Cristina: What could do something like that?

Jack: Nothing. They're the same thing.

Cristina: You have to be outside of space and time already.

Jack: Yeah. You have to be outside both or you're in both at the same time. Because you can't be out of place without being there at a time. It's impossible. And you can't be at a time without being there at a place.

Cristina: Can't really travel.

Jack: It's impossible. Time travel is impossible minus our time machine.

Cristina: Besides our time machine.

Jack: Besides our time machine. But our time machine does not. Our time machine breaks seamlessness.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because it's more like a wormhole, I'm assuming.

Cristina: How does the wormhole break anything?

Jack: Because when we get into the time machine, there's no. Everything is moving in reverse. We hit a button and boof, we're there. It just moves us to that space and time. It does not remove us from space.

Cristina: We're still traveling from space and time, though.

Jack: I don't know. That doesn't make sense. Right, because that's complicated. If you think of how space time is affected. Could. It's. It would be impossible in any aspect, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like if we're gonna go forward, that means. I don't know. I don't know. Because it would be like the time machine. We wouldn't really be moving. We'd be where we are.

Jack: Well, no, he's moving in the time machine. This. The problem with it is that somehow, and this doesn't make any sense, he did manage to stop space, but move time. But in reality that wouldn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no.

Jack: Because if the machine is on Earth moving with Earth's rotation because he got out at the same spot that he got in, then the machine must be affected by time itself because it's moving with the planet. The planet's rotation can affect.

Cristina: If we could have a machine that's also a spaceship, then can it be a space time machine?

Jack: What about the space inside of the machine? You're. You'd have to. You'd have to witness nothing in that time. You have to cut to black because you couldn't physically be anywhere because you left time. And if you're affected by time. Well, if you're affected by space, you're affected by time problem.

Cristina: So you're gonna age. No, but. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Although the most practical way would be a spaceship because what doesn't happen in the time machine, which is giant f****** loophole, is the planet is still moving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just not be there. And it's moving so fast. In a galaxy that's moving well in a star system that's moving so fast in A galaxy that's moving so fast.

Cristina: It doesn't matter because. Yeah, you would still age no matter what, though. Like, if you were to travel a hundred years in the future, you'll be 100 years older. Like, there's no separating you from space and time.

Jack: Well, that's what the argument. Right. Like the argument would be, somehow you removed yourself from space and time. But what the f*** does that mean? Yeah, because if you moved space. Well, you move the time of space forward. Where are you?

Cristina: Yes, where are you?

Jack: Where are you?

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It's weird. You shouldn't be able to see it happening, because that means you're there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he could. He could see it happening.

Cristina: So that means he's aging. But he's what stops him from aging.

Jack: Yeah, well, he is aging, but he's aging at normal rate.

Cristina: What if he was a vampire?

Jack: No, no, no. He's aging at normal rate. He's in the ship, aging at a normal pace. However long, every second is a second long. In a normal second time span, even if outside the second time is moving faster in the machine, somehow it's not. So he isolated a pocket of time.

Cristina: And space in the machine.

Jack: In the machine. But then where the f*** is a machine? And why didn't you. Like, when the machine stopped, why didn't you immediately suffocate? Because you're not even in the galaxy anymore.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't. Yes.

Jack: If the machine is moving with the planet, and the planet is moving with the star, and the star is moving with the galaxy, and space is stretching all around it, you are so far from the next thing.

Cristina: What if the machine is attached to the Earth, though? Does that not change anything?

Jack: Well, then the machine is in space, which means it's also in time. So you should be aging with it.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Which means you're just moving normal speed because you're feeling. You're just sitting there watching a normal day go by, huh? Because you're part of time space.

Cristina: No, that doesn't work.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't. I don't know how our time machine works. It does. I don't know.

Cristina: How does.

Jack: I could not tell you how we're breaking the laws of reality. Anyways, that guy who runs everything.

Cristina: Which guy were we talking about?

Jack: The guy who runs Facebook.

Cristina: And above that, right?

Jack: Yeah. He's the dude above all that. He also runs a queen and he's in a chamber filled with adrenochrome. He's also Jesus. Same guy.

Cristina: Okay. Vampire Jesus.

Jack: Vampire Jesus. Which there's an episode about, I'm pretty sure about Vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, so what about vampire Jesus?

Jack: Well, he runs the world. I'm not sure what my point was, but yeah, he runs the world. We know he's the guy above all of it.

Cristina: Where.

Jack: Because the argument was that we got the cancer information from Facebook that is cross referenced with Google somehow and the whatever data, because that's Google is really where we're getting the data of who the listeners are. And then Facebook is where we're getting the data of who has cancer because we get everybody's records because Facebook just readily sells it to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we cross reference those things and we find out that our listeners have cancer. And then all of that is allowed because the guy above them both who is also the same dude who runs the world and gives the queen her immortality is Jesus the vampire. Because you know, Trina, Chrome and people.

Cristina: Don'T know this, but Jesus has a Z in his name.

Jack: Yes, he does. Yes, he does.

Cristina: One of those S's aren't isn't an.

Jack: S and there's no S's in his name. It's J U B E Z. No, it's J E, B U Z.

Cristina: J E B U Z U Z. Jebus Jeebus.

Jack: Okay, Jeebus Christ. So the text got it wrong.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: It's a messed up in translation.

Cristina: Does the text even say that? The text doesn't say that.

Jack: What, his name?

Cristina: Yeah, Jesus is mentioned as Jesus. I thought someone told us that his name was Michael or something.

Jack: No, it's Emmanuel. And the guy named Jesus and the guy named Emmanuel are two different people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But somehow the guy named Jesus managed to successfully convince everybody who already knew biblically his name was gonna be Emmanuel. He's like, that guy's me. And then everybody was like, oh yeah, right, right, right. Totally.

Cristina: Oh. So the prophecies said Emmanuel would be the next Messiah. Messiah. Yeah.

Jack: And then this Jesus guy came and he said, nah, it's me.

Cristina: Oh. And that worked.

Jack: And that worked.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And he was. Emmanuel was only mentioned once.

Cristina: Okay. So it's very forgettable.

Jack: It's very forgettable. And then this other guy's like, no, I'm that guy. And they're like, oh s***, he's that guy. He said it.

Cristina: Guy was like, hey, but didn't they. Don't we know his name? And that's not his name.

Jack: I don't know how this happened, man. My bet is somehow the people who were conspiring to create Christianity around that time decided if we say it enough.

Cristina: People will believe it.

Jack: Yeah. And if we find all the text that has his name and f****** burn it and just say it's Jesus now.

Cristina: That probably worked.

Jack: It probably worked. We know. Come on. Catholics, Christians, all the versions of Christianity early. But then Catholics got real serious about the massacre and murder and, like, taking lives and burning people and f****** crucifixions and all this crazy s*** that, like, created it in the first place. And then they hypocritically started doing it as well. So. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Murdering people.

Jack: Murdering people. The amount of genocide and murder that happened because Catholicism, which is a man.

Cristina: It's weird because that's not even, like, the main religion.

Jack: The main f******, like, a branch of some s***. And it became, like, the most powerful.

Cristina: Part of it because it's the darkest one.

Jack: Yeah, man. I know we've talked about this before, but it's just. It just trips me out that there's a religion that's like, we're gonna pretend to eat flesh and drink blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And drink the blood of our, like, Lord.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: And we call him our Lord. He's our Lord. And we're gonna pretend to drink that blood because he told us to eat my flesh and drink my blood.

Cristina: That's why we kill for him.

Jack: Yo. And a lot of people have died for him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Crazy. And I'm like, no, it's perfectly fine.

Cristina: Yeah, we've gone to other countries and saying we're gonna convert them. And those people weren't converted.

Jack: No, they were murdered. And then we settled there, and we're like, yeah, yeah, we converted. We went. Failed to convert them, killed them, inhabited the area in which we murdered and said they were converted because now that land has our religion.

Cristina: Exactly. That's how it works.

Jack: Ah, conversion.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly kind way to say we murdered.

Jack: Yeah, it really is. We converted that area. And then you go there and it's like, wow, they're all white. Yeah, all of them. Not one. Like, they went to some random Middle Eastern country. The only Middle Eastern country that's predominantly Christian, and you go to that one. Middle Eastern country, white.

Cristina: What Middle Eastern country is that?

Jack: I don't know. It's a theoretical country.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's just white.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Peace. That happened here, though.

Jack: Yeah. All natives. We were gonna talk them out of Native American spiritualism and teach them Christianity. Meanwhile, they're all white. They're just white. They turned white. If you. If you partake in Catholicism, your skin slow. The more Catholic you are, the Whiter your skin gets.

Cristina: Yes. Like the picture of Jesus.

Jack: Yes. Jesus was black a long time ago, but he got more and more Catholic and slowly got whiter and wider and his hair just got straighter over time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's amazing.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all religion does. Or I guess Catholic, Catholics.

Jack: Other parts of Christianity are a little more welcoming, but not Catholics. You almost have to be white.

Cristina: Yeah. That's how. That's the conversion story.

Jack: Yeah, that's how it happens, man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's all thanks to vampire Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. I keep thinking, well, why did we get to vampire Jesus in the first place? I forgot.

Jack: Because Facebook. Because of Facebook and Google.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Who run by the same guy. And cancer. Yes. Which in theory, he could just cure, I'm assuming. If he's who you say he is.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: But he can't. No, he's just a vampire.

Cristina: He's just a vampire.

Jack: He can't cure cancer.

Cristina: Well, if adrenochrome makes you smarter, maybe you could.

Jack: Adrenochrome cures cancer?

Cristina: Yeah, it could, man.

Jack: His blood probably cures cancer, doesn't it?

Cristina: Yeah. We need some of his blood.

Jack: Is he who runs Illuminati? Is that our boss?

Cristina: Probably. I don't know. If we end up dead and we get replaced.

Jack: You know what? That's crazy. Yeah. And think about that.

Cristina: But I don't think anyone would notice. I mean, we're clones now. Like, if that happens, we'll be clones. So we wouldn't even know.

Jack: Yeah. That's also weird. But me and Yu's light would be turned out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the next clones here. Yeah. The listener wouldn't be able to tell the difference. It's seamless. From one point to the them, at least.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The next episode is by these people. But then again, we were fully aware that we were replacing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the next clones would just flat out tell them that.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Like, hey, we're the replacement. Because it turned out. It turned out vampire Jesus did run the Illuminati.

Cristina: He didn't like what we said. I thought. You're not saying anything bad, so I'm sure he's fine.

Jack: Yeah, we're not saying anything bad. We're saying he could cure cancer.

Cristina: Yes. Like, we're promoting him.

Jack: We're promoting Jesus blood. You should drink more Jesus blood. You should all convert to Catholicism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Touch all the children and drink Jesus blood.

Cristina: And that's how you live forever.

Jack: That's how you live forever, man. You know what's. Let's be real.

Cristina: That's How? The priests. The priests were trying to live forever.

Jack: Priests were trying to live forever. They were.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They were.

Jack: But like, these old people who do seem to live forever and are filthy rich and kind of run the world, are always f****** the kids. Yeah, man. Something about f****** kids makes you immortal. I don't know what. I know what part. I don't want to find out.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: But I know that something about f****** a kid makes you immortal. Because everybody who's chasing immortality or has somehow achieved it has f***** a child and drank Jesus blood. They're all Catholic and they all f*** kids. That's the two whammies that equal immortality. The blood part, we get it. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes, adrenochrome.

Jack: But also, somehow f****** a kid adds to your immortality. Or. Or you drink adrenochrome, you don't age more. But if you drink adrenochrome and then f*** a kid, you steal their youth.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Or.

Cristina: Or I was thinking that the blood gets you, like, mate, turns you into a predator, so.

Jack: Well, no, this is. Wow. Actually, that could totally be the case. But different. Different take. Maybe. Maybe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're not f****** the kids. Maybe that's the f****** cover story. Because it's better than telling people we're getting the adrenal chrome from the kid's body and that's what gives us the youth.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. Yeah, yeah. I guess that would be worse if we found out they were.

Jack: Yeah, but like, they're drinking children blood, man. I'm just f****** kid, you know, send me to jail.

Cristina: No, but they end up dying if that's the truth too. Like, either way, they're f*** we.

Jack: What priest went to jail? What was his name? Right. So you could say that. And somehow the church is like, no, he was innocent. But if you say I drank. I killed and drank a kid's blood, or I was just slowly, like, siphoning.

Cristina: Blood off of a church's protection.

Jack: Yeah. Because the jer. The church is like, yes, kid f******. Okay, but kid blood drinking, bad, but not. Not really. But society will look further down on kid blood drinking than they would kid f******. So, like, the lesser of two evils. Let's say we're f****** the kids, not drinking the kids blood. And then we'll just deny it anyways.

Cristina: That's so horrible. It's all horrible. I guess that's better. I don't know. It's so, so bad. It's bad.

Jack: Yeah. And it's weird that this is where we landed, because one of the most Catholic countries in the world is England.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Catholic.

Jack: Catholic.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: Yes. England runs on Catholicism.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep. There is heavy, heavy tradition there.

Cristina: How high? Maybe they know about this. That's why they're listening. They're like, you guys are on to.

Jack: Yeah, we're always hitting the. We're hitting it on the nose and they're like, yeah, s***'s always going on here. I got a kid in my basement right now. I've been siphoning some blood off of him for years.

Cristina: Please don't tell me about it.

Jack: He's like a teenager now. Yeah. Look, go in the comments below, Leave us a five star rating and tell us about the kids you got in your basement siphoning their blood on itunes.

Cristina: Do it on itunes.

Jack: On itunes. Yes.

Cristina: I feel like we. That's the only place we'll remember to check.

Jack: And Spotify.

Cristina: Would we check on Spotify? Can you check the comments on Spotify?

Jack: Dude, I have no idea how Spotify works.

Cristina: Maybe just do it on itunes because I don't know if we'd look on Spotify.

Jack: Who cares? Do it on both.

Cristina: Do it on both. Okay.

Jack: Leave us the same comment on both platforms.

Cristina: Okay, we'll try to look at both.

Jack: Yeah, well, we don't have to see it on both. If they leave it on Apple, we can just assume it's also on Spotify.

Cristina: Okay. Leave it for everyone else and then.

Jack: We'Ll make an episode where we read your comments about the children you have in your basement that you slowly siphon blood out of to be an immortal.

Cristina: Yep. Give us some stars with that too.

Jack: Yes. Five stars if you have a kid in your basement. But if you don't have a kid in your basement, you have to only give us five stars.

Cristina: Yes. And don't say anything.

Jack: Don't say anything. Don't leave a. No, I'll leave a review. Just say good. Good with a thumbs up emoji. Just say good with a thumbs up emoji.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't have children.

Jack: Yeah, well, they can't comment on an episode. I think. I think it's like a general kind of thing.

Cristina: But we would know, though, that they listened to this episode.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, s***. Should we choose an emoji per episode? Kind of like Sean Murray does for every no Man's sky dlc.

Cristina: Yeah. Ok. Thumbs up is this episode.

Jack: Yeah, Thumbs up is.

Cristina: Or the comment that you have children.

Jack: Yeah. Or. Or if you don't want to get caught, because I'm sure, like FBI is watching since f****** Apple doesn't give them their information. They're just watching comments and s***. You imagine some FBI agents job to scroll to comment to see where the pitas are, whatever. Yeah, so like if you don't want to get busted, they don't need to know. You don't have to be specific. Still leave us a five star rate.

Cristina: Say adrenochrome.

Jack: No, with the review. Just put the picture, the emoji of a kid.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, put a child emoji. Well, no, they're not f****** the kid. They're drinking their blood while trapping.

Cristina: Yes. And if you're not that person, just.

Jack: What was it do thumbs up.

Cristina: Thumbs up.

Jack: Thumbs up means you got no kids that you're siphoning blood off of. Kid emoji means you got a kid somewhere that you're siphoning blood off of for immortality sake.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, look, let's be real. Somebody tells you, somebody tells you you can be immortal, you will never age, but you have to siphon blood off of a kid and drink it at least once a week. I'd rather die.

Cristina: I want to be like a real, like the vampire they show on TV where you can pick the age of your victim so it doesn't have to be a child.

Jack: So you can be like a teenager. Well, no, maybe people just. Maybe the age difference is what? Like you equal out at. Right. So you could pick age based on where you stand. Right. So if you're 30 and you pick like a 10 year old, then you land about 20. Right. But if you're at 30 and you pick a 20 year old, you land at about 25 of how you look and whatever, that's how like old you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Recover to or whatever.

Cristina: Like what if you're an 80 or.

Jack: 80 year old, you get a 20 year old. Well, you got to hit the middle mark. Yeah. Do 80 minus 20 is 60 and then the middle point between 60 and 20 is 40. So you'd be about 40 if you're 80. That's pretty good.

Cristina: That's why they're sticking to you very young kids though. Because if you're 80 and you pick 10, how old are you?

Jack: Well then you only subtract 10. Oh wait, that doesn't work because you'd be older. Right.

Cristina: Well, okay, I was gonna see you.

Jack: Subtract 10 and then you find the middle point of that. But that doesn't work.

Cristina: No, no, no, no. He's the younger. You pick the younger. I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it should just be the middle point regardless of Subtraction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the middle point of. No. Cuz. Yeah. I guess the older the first the kid is, the farther up the equal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Turns out to be. So. Yeah. The middle point between 10 and 80 would be 40.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Would that be 40? 50, like 45.

Cristina: Okay, maybe.

Jack: Yeah, I guess like 45 or some s*** like that. No, that would be the middle of 90. Right. Because you break, oh, I don't know, whatever, some, whatever. Throw some s*** at the middle. That's where you land.

Cristina: You're half, you're half your age.

Jack: Yeah. So you got to try to get adrenal. You got to try to start siphoning off of a kid pretty young in order to maintain that youngness you don't. Like. If you're 20 and you're feeding off of another 20 year old, you just stay 20.

Cristina: Which is fine because. Wait, what? Because the adrenochrome isn't just for staying young.

Jack: Yeah. It's for immortality.

Cristina: But don't you get powers and stuff?

Jack: Yeah, all that stuff comes along with it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like I want for that you got.

Jack: To keep drinking as a problem. So you need to. After you dry this one out. Yeah. Catch another 20 year old.

Cristina: Oh yeah. Man, being a vampire sucks.

Jack: Being a vampire kind of blows. Yeah. But then man, that's crazy. So there's real vampires.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's work.

Jack: It's. I mean if you're powerful and fast and hyper intelligent. Because the adrenochrome, it's like easy show up in a bus.

Cristina: Most of them are super rich, so they have people go scout. Kidnapping people.

Jack: They probably have like a clone thing of their own. They just clone the same people over and over from the original. Just drink their blood. People who can't afford that are the ones who are out there eating like the poor vampires. I don't have crazy guap laying around. I gotta go siphon blood directly. Break into somebody's house.

Cristina: So those are the ones that are gonna comment on us?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Unless you think some of those wealthy. I mean people with the coffee.

Jack: Maybe. Maybe there's some like filthy rich.

Cristina: Filthy rich. What is it? Child emoji and they.

Jack: And a dot and like dollar bills or the dollar sign. Kids and. But if it's not a kid, man. But the problem is it's always kids. That's really the problem. Right. It's always kids. Rarely is there like what we found a bunch of grown adults being held hostage in somebody's basement. So I was like a kid went missing like 15 years ago. We found them now as an adult in a f****** basement or some s***. Yeah, they f****** snatching up children.

Cristina: Well, shouldn't. Why?

Jack: Like, because it makes them younger?

Cristina: No. If they're growing up as adults, wouldn't their blood stop being mean? Anything?

Jack: Yeah, that's why they keep adding people over time. They're just like, well, I can't let you go now. You'll bust my operations.

Cristina: Oh, I guess.

Jack: But like, I'm not a bad guy. I just love adrenochrome.

Cristina: Kill them and bury them somewhere.

Jack: No, they're not bad people. They're just adrenochrome lovers. Are you. Are you trying to tell me that a priest has the capacity to be evil? Or maybe he just wants immortality. He's not evil. A priest can't be evil.

Cristina: He's a man of the cloth of immortality. Evil, then.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because God's not real. That's why they're doing this. Religion is entirely fabricated so that we can siphon people for blood. Well, at least Christianity.

Cristina: But the demigods are real.

Jack: Well, the demigods are just people who've had adrenochrome for very long.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: If we've established before God himself was just a demigod who had the probably adrenochrome of demigods.

Cristina: How did he do it?

Jack: It's less that story, Right. You go and you eat people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then you get so strong from people that you're kind of like a God. So then you start eating other gods.

Cristina: Until you run into Jesus.

Jack: Until you run into Jesus, who himself drank the blood of many, many, many, many, many, many gods. Then you drink Jesus blood. His blood is like your blood, but you've never had somebody's blood that's like your blood. You've had other God blood, but you've. You're the super mega God because you've had all the God blood. So now you got the super mega God blood. Mix it, you're super mega God blood, and then you become Jehovah. Now you're super. I don't even need adrenochrome anymore. I'm just everywhere.

Cristina: And then what? Then you die.

Jack: You go ahead and you create a universe with a bunch of people, and you have them. D***, did we crack it? Was that the solution? That was the solution we've been waiting to figure out. Like, how the dots connected on that one.

Cristina: Yes, that's why. But he also did it to make more of him.

Jack: Yeah, so that he can possibly drink the adrenochrome blood of that super omniscient God. That's what Jehovah wants. But it's so hard to get.

Cristina: So he's just looking for more blood.

Jack: He's. We know that he's trying to transcend to whatever the next thing is, but.

Cristina: We didn't know why.

Jack: But we didn't know why it's still about blood. You're human. Get adrenochrome, you become, you know. Superhuman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you have enough superhuman blood, you become demigod. You have enough demigod blood, you become omniscient God. You have enough omniscient God blood, you go to some s*** that we can't even fathom. Yeah, but Jehovah has not been able to. But with it, there's definitely a difference between Jesus and, like, Zeus. And I think Jehovah and Zeus are very similar. We just. Jehovah's way more mysterious and we don't know what it looks like. Yeah, but the idea is the same.

Cristina: He's probably a dude.

Jack: Yeah, just some guy. He likes being shady and hidden and secretive or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, he's just like. Yeah, he looks like. Exactly. Just turns into earthly s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, you're just a guy, bro. What if I lit that bush on actual fire?

Cristina: What if he was an animal in that bush? Like.

Jack: Like a giant gerbil, like in South Park.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like God turned out to be the weirdest creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm just a turtle or something.

Cristina: Crap. What's that creature that we asked to predict the weather?

Jack: You think he' the groundhog. You think the groundhog is like, Chuck from Supernatural is just some random s*** you wouldn't expect.

Cristina: Yes. That's too weird of a creature to give adrenochrome for that specific thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's too weird to be like, I'm blood, so you can tell me what the weather is gonna be like.

Jack: I don't think it happened in that order. I think it got a hold of blood by accident.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you know, any. Almost anything that takes adrenochrome becomes, like, human. Like, if it's not already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it could talk and s***. And it's like, bro, I could somehow. I can't even explain it. I could see the weather and the seasons and the temperature and, like, I get it. I see it all. Like, what? It's like one. You're f****** talking groundhog. But wait, wait, wait. Let's ignore that part about you being a talking groundhog. You can detect the weather. You're saying our crops, man. Yeah, man. Our crops.

Cristina: That means he can predict the future, which means he could be.

Jack: Maybe it's just the weather. Maybe he's not like Johnny over there. He's gonna get hit by a bus tomorrow.

Cristina: But we don't know.

Jack: We don't.

Cristina: We need to speak to him. But we don't know the secret language of the groundhog.

Jack: Well, the groundhog speaks. No, they do have a f******. Yeah, we had a whole thing about that. Yeah.

Cristina: Secret society that communicates with him in his language.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Cuz all the adrenaline, people. Interesting. Interesting. So then we have a problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We got to go catch this f****** groundhog.

Cristina: We gotta, like, just to see if he's.

Jack: Well, now we're elevating because, you know, we. We before we were hunting s***. Of which there is more.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's one f****** groundhog that's doing this for whatever reason. We haven't given this to other groundhogs. There might be something about this groundhog that told us we probably shouldn't do this other ground. Maybe it's too op. Maybe it is God. Maybe we're just like, s***, we can't do this again.

Cristina: After he retired, he became the groundhog of this town. That predicts the weather. That's his retirement.

Jack: But Adrenochrome let him there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. But like, he was doing stuff before.

Jack: Was he a groundhog, is the question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or did he take the form of a groundhog?

Cristina: He was always a groundhog.

Jack: He was just always a groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah is the groundhog.

Cristina: Yeah. Because we don't. Because as far as. Oh, no, they do transform. There are creatures that transform. I forgot there's lots of.

Jack: Bunch of s*** that gets shapeshifting.

Cristina: So it is probably Chief's thing. Creature.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But what the f*** chooses to be groundhog of all things?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, it's the most. It's the least suspicious thing.

Jack: I guess. We gotta catch it. We gotta find out if it's hard to catch and, like, overpower and, like, breaks out of our. Like, we got tech.

Cristina: If it bites us, do we get rabies? Is that type of thing.

Jack: No, I'm sure we just get powers.

Cristina: Or we get power.

Jack: It's like rolling around in radiation or something. Except you're rolling around in, like, celestial blood or you got bit by celestial rabies. That's a shortcut to superpowers.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: It probably won't bite us for that very reason. It's the one that's, like, at all powerful.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We should try to force it to bite us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bam.

Cristina: What if we die, though?

Jack: You know, that's a trick. We luckily. And it always comes back to this, but we got subhumans to try this on. They're going to be obedient no matter what the case might be.

Cristina: Because if that does kill them, at least you know.

Jack: Yes. And if they become super overpowered, then we can make our army of subhumans way better by getting it to bite all of them and just hold this slave. If we can.

Cristina: Why are we doing this? The subhumans are already way stronger than us.

Jack: It's fine. They're never gonna disobey us. They're always on our side.

Cristina: It's gonna be so crazy when they decide to do that.

Jack: Why? Why would they ever decide? We've established that for whatever reason, they will never turn on us.

Cristina: I don't know. It feels like this is going. This is like the. Was it 501st or whatever.

Jack: We're just making them op. As.

Cristina: Yes. And just like they day that they're gonna turn on us at one moment.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Because we're the people who have the power to launch order 66. They'd be flipping for us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, these subhumans are just people. Well, not. It's just our whole organization.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But these subhumans are just people living their lives. It's like Fight Club. We're the people who make your food.

Cristina: But they came from China. I feel like if anyone's gonna flip them, it would be them. And then. Then they would turn on us.

Jack: China. Property of the queen. Queen. Part of the Illuminati.

Cristina: Oh, boom. Then the queen can do it.

Jack: But we also have the power to launch the orders. We're all part of the same corporation. We work together. She's high ranking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, if we're like, we're gonna launch and she's like, no, you're not, then obviously. No, we're not.

Cristina: No, I guess not. Okay, so we'll have some overpowered superhuman super clones. Not clones. But aren't they. They're actual people.

Jack: Yeah. There's subhuman.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know how we landed on subhumans as a name, but they're smarter, stronger, faster, more independent, more purely human. Because they were just born, and then we genetically engineered them to be way stronger and better.

Cristina: Yeah. They were just children that no one wanted.

Jack: Yeah. They're aborted babies that were raised.

Cristina: Oh, they were aborted babies? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. All the aborted babies that were Raised.

Cristina: So that we could stop people from having abortions.

Jack: Yes, the sub humans were the solution to abortion deaths.

Cristina: Yeah, we solve things, though.

Jack: We solve things. Look, this is. This is important. We came to conclusions and solutions. Resolutions came up with plans. We gotta catch a groundhog. Maybe make the subhumans even better. Maybe make our own gods to take down. We still have to go attack the gods of cat people. We don't know if they did it through adrenochrome, which now starting to sound more like.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, their magic is probably science.

Jack: Yeah, they're demigods. That's all it is. They're hyper intelligent people who had a bunch of blood and Jesus was probably in cahoots with them. And then whatever Jehovah is probably also. And then drank some of their blood. Boom. Became some op s***.

Cristina: Yeah, so we gotta get all our demigods to fight their demigods.

Jack: F***. You know what? We never thought about it. Makes perfect sense hitting the f****** subhumans with some adrenochrome, see what happens. They're already jacked up.

Cristina: No, because I'll turn them into something else.

Jack: As long as we don't have adrenochrome. That would turn them into something else. Okay, well, I mean, I guess they could turn something else, but it would turn them feral if they didn't have more. Yeah, they should stay sharp and clear.

Cristina: So we got to get them hooked.

Jack: We got to choose half, make sure.

Cristina: That they stay on it.

Jack: Yeah, we got to take half of all the sub humans and let them feed on the other half of the subhumans regularly, but not so regularly they drain them. So the other half, volunteers, gets into some pods to keep them alive, and the lights get shut out. And then they get forever siphoned by the other half. That becomes super smart. They already are, but like super smarter and more strong than they already are and faster and like all the maximized. Yeah, plus whatever powers they get. Yeah, but powers come along with that.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: And then we use these demigods we created. Go send them through the pyramids using entanglement, through that technology, straight to where the cat gods are.

Cristina: Yeah, us.

Jack: And then have them capture some of the cat gods, bring them back the same way. And now we got cat gods with us. We can start questioning what the. How old they are, where they've been. What the is happening? What's on the other side? Is it safe for us to go and investigate? Or should the subhumans. They're gonna be like, no, you should not Go over there. You can't survive. Or what? A don't let us know.

Cristina: Yes. That is so much information we need to know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Crazy. But we figured it out.

Jack: We figured it out. We came to solutions. It's all great. This is a productive meeting we're having.

Cristina: Yes. We've been trying to figure this out forever.

Jack: Yeah, we've been trying the one get over there to figure out what's up with Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We solved the Jehovah problem. Now we know how to send somebody all the way to the cat people and solve that problem.

Cristina: Yeah, it's.

Jack: All the pieces are here.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: Yeah. And I knew it had to do with adrenochrome. I just didn't know how.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: My original plan was we would take adrenal chrome and go to space to where the cat people were.

Jack: You totally did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You thought adrenochrome would somehow do that. But it wasn't going to protect us in space.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah.

Jack: But we were being dumb because we were thinking us with adrenal.

Cristina: Yes. And we didn't have the pyramids.

Jack: And we did have the pyramid. Yes. Now we don't have to traverse base. We can blink to the other side.

Cristina: Yep. Oh, we did it.

Jack: We did it. We got to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Well, we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Jack: Well, yeah, we got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Yes.

Jack: I like that. We got this episode. We got to the bottom of how we're gonna get to the bottom of things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's a punchline. Definite. So, yeah, I guess if. If you like this conversation, there's. There's a lot like it you could go find when we're talking about vampire Jesus. There's one. We're talking about Jehovah's adrenochrome. We talk about God a lot. And all the different aspects about cat people. The cat people. There's a bunch of.

Cristina: Started with a time machine.

Jack: It started with a time machine when I went back to kill. Not went back. When I started sending people into a version of me to stop cat people from taking over the world as a human population declined. And then send people in the future so they could repopulate and not let it decline was a very genius solution. Anyways, you can find those. There's an. And a bunch of adrenochrome episodes, of course. So many.

Cristina: And Catholic.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Like religion, Catholicism and all that stuff. You can find all of that stuff. On the official website greatthoughts.info. or on Apple podcasts or Spotify or anywhere you get podcasts.

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Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, very important. And this whole episode was just to tell you for the most part that all of our British listeners keep listening and getting more people to listen so that we can get more people to listen. By getting them to listen.

Cristina: Yes. And cancer.

Jack: And cancer. Well, you don't want your life to be meaningless. You heard it. You got cancer. And I get more people to listen so that your life wouldn't mean.

Cristina: Yep. This has been the just conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Are you sure you didn't mish hear what they were saying?

Jack: I am 100% sure I did not mishear what they were saying.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Kug nug fug. It is a thing.

Cristina: It's not a thing.

Jack: It is a thing.

Cristina: Kug nug fug it. No. No, it's not. That's a lie.

Jack: I'm thinking context clues, right? It's like God d*** you.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Or D*** it. D*** it. Oh, you f****** idiot. You cugnuck it. It's like the value of X.

Cristina: But how could you even guess that from a.

Jack: It's based on the tone of how they look. Like they were joking around in whatever language they were talking.

Cristina: What did they look like? Bros. A bunch of bros is the bro language.

Jack: No, it's not a bro language. It was just a bunch of bros speaking their native langu, which was a language I've never heard before. But bros aren't smart enough to come up with their own language.

Cristina: So how do you know?

Jack: Because bros are bros. So you can't bro your way to a new language maybe. Nah, it ain't how it works. Are you sure all bros speak English?

Cristina: I don't know, because that's not English. But that's not anything that's nothing.

Jack: Coggin. The f*** it.

Cristina: It's nothing.

Jack: It's a thing. It's the most important word in all of language.

Cristina: You don't even know what it means.

Jack: The meaning of life is behind what kug nug f*** it is. No, you don't know this to say. No, you don't know.

Cristina: You don't know this to say.

Jack: No, I know that. Kug nug fug. It is a word. It's not a word, it's a fact.

Cristina: That's the word you made up a few minutes ago.

Jack: No, I. I am telling you that throughout the course of my entire life, I've heard foreigners say kug nug it casually.

Cristina: I've never heard it.

Jack: I've heard it always. Since the day I was born.

Cristina: You're lying.

Jack: Since I began to hear language, I have heard kugnog.

Cristina: No, you don't remember that.

Jack: Yes, I remember the day I was born and the first thing the doctor said. When he held me, he looked at me. He was like, oh, what a cute little kug nug F*** it.

Cristina: You know what? How do you know that's not your name? I don't know. That's my conclusion. That's your name.

Jack: My name is. My name has been Kug nug f*** it this whole time.

Cristina: Yes, that's fire. Who are those ghouls? Are they your brothers?

Jack: Oh, s***. Do I know these people?

Cristina: Morning. The Just Conversation podcast, hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 147: Free Live Show

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Are live shows worth it? Will listeners show? Will money get made? Are the profits worth the effort? Or should the content come first and the profit be an after thought? And where do we host these shows? Can it be done at a private location? An Island resort perhaps? The duo decides where to host their first life show and who is allowed to be present to listen in.

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  • 30 Listener Limit
  • What is a Country?
  • How do Passports work?
  • Artificial Islands
  • Ticket Prices
  • Free Live Shows
  • $1,000 Tickets
  • Mega Shark
  • Mechazilla
  • Crocodiles vs Alligators
  • The Kraken
  • Unsolved Math Problems
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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyed with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So go find somebody and tell them you gotta listen to the show. And also tell them you gotta watch the show.

Cristina: So you gotta watch the show.

Jack: Yeah. Wouldn't be cool if we had an audience. If they just started showing up at the front of the studio and they're.

Cristina: Just, oh, we're doing this live.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna start. We're gonna have a whole audience.

Cristina: A whole audience.

Jack: The Just Conversation podcast is recorded in front of a live audience.

Cristina: Are we going to be on a stage? Is it going to be a huge room? Or is it going to be a tiny room with a bunch of people packed in?

Jack: Oh, s***. Do we want a personal thing or do we want like a big explosive for all our hundreds of millions of listeners? Like a rock concert. Yeah, all the listeners on a stage. What everybody looking at is millions of people.

Cristina: That's too much. Let's just squeeze in a room.

Jack: Squeeze in a room like. Like the Select 30.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Private, exclusive things. Sell tickets, super expensive because there's only like 30 seats. Yeah, be like $600 a pop or the next highest.

Cristina: Giving them seats. Maybe they just stand for an hour.

Jack: Just so we got. They're paying for the spot to stand in.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, if they're lazy, they can sit down.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. And really they're not even paying for the spot. We're just gonna fill it to capacity and just rent out a really tiny place. Yeah, like there's. There could only be 30 people here because fire hazards and.

Cristina: Let's not rent anything. Let's just do it in a park.

Jack: Then we. It's out in the open. We can. More people could just show up.

Cristina: No, but we won't let them.

Jack: How are we going to stop them?

Cristina: I don't know. We'll have a tape around us or something.

Jack: Then people are going to stand on the other side of the tape. You know what, that's good though, because they'll be like, man, but I could be on that side of the table.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe that going to get them more Curious.

Jack: But these pots are already sold or taken.

Cristina: We'll have a bigger rope or whatever around the group so that to reach the farthest that anyone can hear it, so that no one can hear it except the middle circle of people that paid.

Jack: So then here's the problem. This is logistically annoying. But possible. Right. Because we would need some speakers that the back of the inner bubble is. They could barely hear it, but still hear it. But the front of the inner bubble hears it clearly. But as soon as the second bubble begins, it's too far and you can't hear anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we need just the right exact volume to know that sound with 30 people in there is going to travel only as far as the barrier of the inner circle and then not the outer barrier of the inner circle.

Cristina: That sounds complicated. We'll test it out.

Jack: But probably gonna take a lot of money to make this happen.

Cristina: Why do we have to pay so much to make it happen?

Jack: I don't know. Everything costs money.

Cristina: It's in the park.

Jack: Yeah. A public place that we have to pay public. Which is really just government, which they're really only. I don't know. We can't do anything legally like that.

Cristina: We can't. Why do they have to know?

Jack: Because it's an event.

Cristina: They don't need to know we're having an event.

Jack: If they showed up, they would just arrest us or give us a ticket and kick us out. Anyways.

Cristina: What if we go to a forest? Where? I don't know. Where there's no one there.

Jack: I mean, I guess. Right. Somebody has to own. Does it ever. Is everything owned?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, every piece of dirt belongs to somebody.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Somebody takes claim to it.

Cristina: You think we have to buy something?

Jack: No, I think we rent out space. Like. Or at least get permission. Yeah, but, like, I don't want to. Now I'm curious as to. Is there. Is there a place somewhere that isn't owned?

Cristina: And we just go there and we just go there.

Jack: But like, every piece of dirt is part of a continent inside of some country, right?

Cristina: Yeah. What about all the islands that are out there?

Jack: Unless there's nobody on the island. The island has never been discovered or.

Cristina: Is too tiny for anyone to live there. Like, there's gotta be tiny islands that you can't really do anything with.

Jack: Fair enough. But somebody owned it is the question. Does it belong to some government that then we have to rent it from? Or is there just some, like, island that has never. But like, Google Maps is the thing. Google Earth, Right.

Cristina: You think Google Earth can find it?

Jack: No, the problem is, has it? And like, could Google. If somebody's looking on Google Earth, has every place already been discovered? Is there like a billionaire who paid again was like, find an island that isn't charted, tell me where it is, I'm gonna put all my s*** over there and say it's mine because nobody can take it because I was the first. There are those rules, like if we found an island today.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are there rules around finding the island that prevent me, the billionaire, from just being like, it's mine now? Because I just put a flag there?

Cristina: I don't. Well, you got to probably pay something for it.

Jack: For who? To who?

Cristina: To who? I don't know. I guess you have to claim which country you're under when you do it.

Jack: That's crazy, right? Like, are they just going to be like, well, it's closer to me and they're going to debate it, or do.

Cristina: You have to make it a new country or do you have to make.

Jack: It a new country?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, do you have to make it a new country?

Cristina: You might have to.

Jack: Why? Who said.

Cristina: Because then a country will claim it.

Jack: F*** you. Right.

Cristina: That's why you got to claim.

Jack: No, but. No, you claim it yourself and you say you're not part of any country.

Cristina: Yeah. So then you gotta. It's your own country, though, is it a country? It's whatever you call it. I don't know.

Jack: Is it by default a country just because it's a landmass of its own that isn't associated with any other country? And thus I think country is the biggest you can get to before you can't get bigger?

Cristina: I think. So, like when Peter made his home his own country. Yeah. It's the same thing, I think, visit a country.

Jack: So is by default any landmass part of a country, whether or not the country, like, yeah, it's just you can't get bigger. That's it. It's just you are part of a country.

Cristina: You have to be part of something.

Jack: Well, you are the country. You don't have to be part of. You are a country.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bare minimum, you're a country.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You might be a country of one. So your country is your main, is your capital, and it's the only town in your country and it's the only neighborhood in the only town in the only city in your country.

Cristina: Yeah. And you don't have to pay anyone taxes for that. Right, because you pay you taxes. Yeah, that sounds right.

Jack: But then do you need a passport for people to step on your country.

Cristina: Ooh.

Jack: And do you need a passport?

Cristina: You need a passport to visit other countries, Definitely.

Jack: But how do you get a passport if now you are a country and you don't.

Cristina: You already have a passport. I'm guessing before you got to that country, you were from a country, right? Like, you didn't lose all your documents from those other countries.

Jack: What? If you had no passport, how did.

Cristina: You get to that island?

Jack: Well, you didn't. You need a passport to enter. You don't need a passport to fly. You need a passport to enter another country. Yeah, but you got to this place before it was a country.

Cristina: Yeah, but you weren't traveling to different. Like, you still have a passport from where you're from.

Jack: No, you have your own airport. You have your own, and it's for local flight. You're not allowed to fly out of the country, and you're not allowed to fly into another country. There you go. Okay, now, do they let you fly into uncharted dirt if you don't have a passport? Because what you would need a passport for is that country. No, no, because.

Cristina: Okay, you wouldn't.

Jack: Okay, because there's nobody there to tell you you need a passport to get in. There's nobody there. Yes, you need somebody to tell you you need a passport to get in.

Cristina: From there to anywhere else. You would need a passport.

Jack: Would you, though? To anywhere that requires a passport. Yeah, but anywhere that doesn't require a passport?

Cristina: No, I guess not.

Jack: Right. So you can only travel the countries that don't require passports because you don't have a passport system, because you don't know how passport.

Cristina: So you gotta. You just go back to the country you came from and get a passport, though. Wouldn't you be able to travel from other countries in your new country? Once I get a passport from your.

Jack: Old country, I guess now the question is, I don't know. I don't know. So you can you fly there, you claim it's your own. It's a country by default.

Cristina: You might still need a passport from that country, though.

Jack: From what country? Your own country?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because when you go to another country, they need to know where you came from.

Jack: And you're telling them, I came from this piece of dirt. So they need to decide whether or not that country needs a passport.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I think they need to choose. Oh, because you can't be like, well, I need. I don't need a passport. And they'd be like, well, you do. And you say, well, I need a password. It's like, we wouldn't look at it anyways because we don't take passports.

Cristina: But country that does need a passport, you do need a passport for.

Jack: Right, but the question is, what would it. Yeah, for any country that does require passport, you need a passport no matter what. Yeah, but if your country can't make a passport and you tell them that also, why would they say you need a passport from your country to enter?

Cristina: You just need a passport.

Jack: No, some could not. Okay, so like some countries don't need you to have passports.

Cristina: No, they're saying the one that you're going to, that does need a passport, you'll need a passport.

Jack: No, what I'm saying is, I don't think. For example, let's say Russia requires you to have a passport.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if you're an American, you know, like, does it still require you to have a passport if you're like Turkish? Or can you just enter Russia without a passport if you're Turkish? And is that how the passport works? Or is it that Russia said, I need a passport? Regardless of where the f*** you come from, you need a passport. That's my question. Because if it's selective, why would they just be like, well, clearly you don't have a way to make a passport, but f*** your s***, you're not allowed in our country. You need a passport.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: And is it like uniform like that? Or would they just be like. Well, your country doesn't need it.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because they pick which countries need it. Right?

Cristina: Yeah, but I feel like they will say you need it.

Jack: Like in the European Union, you just drive from one place to another without a passport. Yeah, you just drive around Europe. A lot of Europe.

Cristina: A lot of it. But not every.

Jack: Without a passport, they don't give a f***. Yeah, but if you were American going to Europe, they would need you to have a passport. So they don't need passports amongst each other in their different countries.

Cristina: Yeah, but from this island to one of those countries, you probably still need.

Jack: A passport, but you still need a password to enter Mexico.

Cristina: You do.

Jack: I think so. Or if you were to drive.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Through Mexico and be like, I'm gonna go to Guatemala. Do you need a passport or is it just flight related?

Cristina: I don't think.

Jack: No, because if you go to. If you go to Canada.

Cristina: Exactly. You don't need a passport.

Jack: Yeah, to Canada.

Cristina: But I think Mexico works the same way.

Jack: Also, if you were to stay living in Canada, you would need a passport.

Cristina: Would you?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, but to Visit, though.

Jack: But to visit. And it all depends on the instance really. They don't really like, stop you from. But like, does Mexico work that way? That's my question.

Cristina: So I think Mexico works that way.

Jack: So then you can go through Mexico into Guatemala and be like, okay, yeah.

Cristina: I'm going on vacation. That's what you got to tell them. You just got to say, like, what you're.

Jack: Is that true though, or is that a guess?

Cristina: That's a guess. But I'm. I'm pretty sure it works the same as going to Canada.

Jack: But why?

Cristina: Because I think I read about it somewhere.

Jack: The going into Mexico. You don't need a passport. Yeah, I somehow doubt that. I think you do.

Cristina: Why? No, I don't think so.

Jack: Then how do you get back into the United States?

Cristina: They know you're a US Citizen. You have identification to prove it. If they don't believe you, I'm pretty sure your, your accent will prove that you're an American. Interesting.

Jack: I wonder how wrong this is or how accurate this is.

Cristina: I don't know. I'm sure he's very accurate. Sorry.

Jack: So then in theory, you could just take a boat to my island and not need a passport.

Cristina: Well, if you say so.

Jack: Because if you're interested, my point is I could take a boat out of my island to any other landmass. Is it just flight related or do countries require. If you're like, if I was going into Asia from Europe driving, but these.

Cristina: Countries know about these other countries. Your country is a new country.

Jack: No, my, my question is, if I were going from like Germany to China.

Cristina: In a car, probably need a passport, would I.

Jack: Is it just flight related?

Cristina: Is it flight related? I don't know if it's just flight related.

Jack: I've never tried crossing any border without an airplane being involved.

Cristina: Yeah, I think I'm assuming it has to not just be flight related.

Jack: Right. Like you. Because it'd be crazy. Then everybody would just do it the other way. I don't f****** pass before I just get there in a car.

Cristina: I don't know. People are lazy. They like planes fair.

Jack: And it's quicker and you could sleep through it.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't.

Jack: I mean, it would have to be, right? That's ridiculous. It's crazy that I don't know how fast. I've never in my life taken any other form of transportation with a passport.

Cristina: I think on boats you also need passports. Right. If you're gonna go to a country.

Jack: I've never used a boat ticket again. I've Literally never. Like, I've only done planes.

Cristina: It can't be playing. It can't just be planes.

Jack: It can't just be planes. Right. It doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: If the rule is you need to have a passport, it doesn't matter how you're getting there. I think you need a passport.

Jack: Yes. Okay, so we just don't need a passport for Mexico and Canada.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: Because they like us. No, they don't.

Jack: The question. I'm not entirely sure how you are with Mexico. I know, for Canada you don't really need it to get in. I'm not sure. I'm not 100% sure on the Mexican part, but I also don't know. It just seems like it wouldn't be the case.

Cristina: Why not? It's the other way around. We don't work the same as them. They accept us, we don't accept them.

Jack: Fair. It could totally be that way.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So, yes, in theory, I could make an island. Not making. I guess I could make it. Do people own the waters? No, the waters aren't owned by anybody.

Cristina: Well, you want to. Are you positive you can do that, though?

Jack: Yes, people have made islands.

Cristina: But who do you ask to do that? I don't know, because that would be considered trash. And then they're like, hey, you gotta. You get a fine for making this island.

Jack: No, because you're finding the water, who finds you? I think that's the problem. Right. They dump s*** into the oceans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who finds you at that point?

Cristina: Who finds who?

Jack: Who's. Who's giving you the tax for what?

Cristina: Who's in the country nearest to you?

Jack: No, because they. You're in. If you're. I'm sure every country has a radius in the water.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And if you're not in their radius, that. If that line cuts off before it reaches you.

Cristina: What if every part of the water is owned by someone?

Jack: That can't be the case. That s***. That can't be.

Cristina: It probably is.

Jack: No, it probably. It can't be. It cannot be. There's a radius around everything. And that's my argument there. It has to be. It would be crazy for every bit of water to belong to somebody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's dumb. That can't be.

Cristina: They want. They would do that.

Jack: Yes, but the problem is then you have to give every country the same thing. And nobody wants that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they probably sooner do the radius thing and be like, no, you don't get more water than me just because you're bigger. So, no, we all just get this much water around us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because that's sooner than, well, that country's biggest f***. And like a good 90% of the ocean belongs to that one country. Like probably not.

Cristina: We're going to this up and it's like the queen owns all the water.

Jack: That'd be crazy.

Cristina: Like, I don't know. One person owns it all.

Jack: I think, I think there's a radius like a measurable distance from shore in every direction, surrounding every bit of shore. So it would be the exact shape of whatever borders of that country are touching water around it. Just at a farther distance from than the land.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so it just circles the landmass in exactly the same shape of the landmass and those waters are owned and that includes islands. So islands and the same distant radius around them belongs to that island.

Cristina: Yeah. And then there's some water that's owned by no one because it doesn't touch anything.

Jack: Exactly. And then we take the island builders or whatever that team is called that.

Cristina: Builds islands and they're going in there.

Jack: Yeah. We take them to one of those best. Probably particularly deep water too because there's no land sticking up around that.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's probably not safe to build in that.

Jack: It's probably safe to build. This is probably really expensive because you got to make a hole somewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And bring all that s*** there to make a hole.

Cristina: This isn't going to work.

Jack: I mean, if you had enough billions you could do it.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I think so. I think with enough billions you could get it done.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: There are man made islands.

Cristina: There are?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But out there.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Not next to actual islands.

Jack: Oh yeah. Probably next to actual island. I doubt somebody just made an artificial island in the middle of the ocean.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe you can like, I don't know, drive your island into the ocean or whatever it's called when you're riding a boat. Ride the island to the middle of the ocean. This is man made?

Jack: No, no, no. Because it can't just be floating.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It has to be touching the bottom, rising all the way to the top.

Cristina: How do you do that?

Jack: Money. Just throw a bunch of s*** in one spot over and over and over and over until it fills up. Which means you got to make a big a****** somewhere. But whatever. Billions of dollars are going into it. You make this one, it doesn't have to be a big island. It's just a lot of stuff to make it stand successful. Without the undercurrents of stuff though. We just dig a hole, put sand in to make dirt. I don't know. And build an island with dirt that's.

Cristina: Coming from the country it's next to.

Jack: No, we. I mean, I guess I gotta buy it from somewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then transport it.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds super expensive.

Jack: Yeah. But I'm sure it won't take. Like if we use the richest guy's money. Right. And leave him $1 billion.

Cristina: But then your island's still part of that country because you're right next to it.

Jack: No, you are leaving. You're buying the stuff from the country, then going super far into UN owned waters.

Cristina: But how are you reaching that?

Jack: Would you get. There's a team of people with boats and technology.

Cristina: So you're living on the boats until you finish this project? I guess.

Jack: How do you think like a. Like an oil rig in the middle of the ocean happens?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's the same way we're just gonna do that tactic. Like, those are just boats technology. To me, those are boats constructing out there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So we just need that.

Cristina: But is that really in the middle of nowhere?

Jack: It's not so far out, but it's like. It really is kind of like if you fell, you drown.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So yeah, we. We do that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we get our audience into.

Cristina: That's why we're doing this.

Jack: Yeah. So we can get the audience onto the island so that we don't have to. Because we want. We're gonna put in the park. But it would be problematic.

Cristina: But. Okay, so they don't need passports to our island.

Jack: They don't need passports to our island.

Cristina: But will they need passports to go home? We still don't understand that.

Jack: Like, that doesn't. I don't. I don't care.

Cristina: How do we go home? We will live on that.

Jack: We'll get passports.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They can get passports if they want. They can come to the island.

Cristina: Countries don't want us to have passports. I don't know. They're unhappy with what we did.

Jack: What, make an island.

Cristina: Yeah. And they're like, we're not gonna give you passports or whatever.

Jack: Then we don't go into that country. We can't possibly be done with every country.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Somebody has to let us in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then through that country, we get back in.

Cristina: But then we have the waiting date. Wait for these passports. Are we getting the passports before we do it? Like, this is going to take a long time. I mean, the whole project will take a long time.

Jack: I'm sure just the passports. We Already have are still passports and they work. Yeah, we don't need like a new set of passports.

Cristina: Okay, so. But the people that we're bringing should have their own passports at least. No, you won't worry about them at all.

Jack: I won't worry about them. You can worry about them if you want, but after the show's done, we put them on a ferry and we're like, you don't have to go home, but you gotta get the f*** out of here. And then that ferry takes off.

Cristina: Are we paying for that ferry?

Jack: We own it. Or I guess it could be like a Uber ferries.

Cristina: Uber fairies and like, I don't know.

Jack: That's a far a** trip. Yeah, like whatever we'll pay for, you know.

Cristina: How did they get here?

Jack: Man? This started as just being really cheap because we were going to do it for free, but then we had to pay the billions to get like just.

Cristina: Doing in the middle of the park and getting the find us would be so much cheaper.

Jack: But look, after we do this, we can, we can throw the show for free whenever we want.

Cristina: The goal is the show being 30 people.

Jack: No, look, the show. The goal is the show being free. Whatever other expenses we do is fine. Because the show, the principal idea is we don't pay for the show. We don't have to pay to throw the show and have guests there for the show because we're not selling them. Also, the island needs to be big enough to have the inner and the outer circle because people need to show up to the island and not be able to hear.

Cristina: Why? Why do we need those people?

Jack: Because those are just features of the show.

Cristina: Okay, so they're just gonna. We're just gonna tell people you can come to this island?

Jack: No, they're gonna know that they're there for that. But the first 30 get to hear the show and we tell them. 2nd 30 get to be on the island but can't hear the show.

Cristina: Okay, so we got 60 people besides us too.

Jack: I mean, I guess that the outside.

Cristina: Circle is bigger, like bodyguards to stop these people from going into the circle.

Jack: Because it's only being divided by yellow tape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because again, we went real low budget on this. It's just yellow tape. Where we really went all out was the figuring out the audio problem. Yes.

Cristina: The island.

Jack: Yeah, so that the I. So the sound only travels as far as the inner wall of the inner circle. So we need really expensive tech on that, but really cheap tech on just like wrapping yellow.

Cristina: What about the island? Is that cheap?

Jack: Well, that's not part of the cost of the show. That's just an island in which we're doing the show.

Cristina: But it's man made.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And who's paying for it?

Jack: We're paying for it with the richest billionaire. I guess the richest billionaires are paying for it.

Cristina: The richest billionaire?

Jack: Yeah. Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are going to get together and fund this island for us. They're each only going to keep $1 billion of their money to make this island. To make this island.

Cristina: How much do the islands cost?

Jack: Don't know. Man made islands in the middle of the ocean, though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They want us to have our own.

Cristina: Territory and we're not even going to have like enough room for planes. It's just boats coming in somehow.

Jack: Yes, yes. There must be a floating by boat that.

Cristina: Like how long is the trip from the land to the.

Jack: No, no, listen. There must be a boat that lets planes land on it.

Cristina: Oh, what? Okay.

Jack: And then they'd be landing on that boat. It's only 30 people. We don't need a lot, I guess.

Cristina: So it's a small boat. I mean, it's a small plane. It's a small plane.

Jack: Plane that holds 30 people.

Cristina: 30 people.

Jack: And they can arrive in different patterns. Like they can arrive five here, five there.

Cristina: Okay. Like a helicopter maybe, or something small, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But can a helicopter come from some random country like so far into the.

Jack: Middle of the island? That's a real question. I feel like helicopters don't have the.

Cristina: No, and I don't think boats can do that either. I mean, boats can do that.

Jack: Boats can. It's just quite a trip.

Cristina: Yeah. It's gonna take a long time.

Jack: Yeah, it could take weeks.

Cristina: This project is complicated.

Jack: Yes. But worth it because the show is gonna be free and it'll have the feature of the inner and outer circles of which only the inner can hear anything we're saying. Making the outer people very jealous that they weren't the first 30. So that next time we host another live show in front of a studio audience there. Yeah, they can be. They can scramble for it. Jack the price up.

Cristina: And how much is the prices anyway, originally?

Jack: What, for the tickets?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We could start at a thousand dollars each ticket.

Cristina: Okay. And we're paying for them to get there and leave or. That's them.

Jack: That's all part of the ticket. The ticket to the show covers your flight there and back and back, I guess.

Cristina: Well, we're not getting much from how much we spent.

Jack: Well, it's not about us getting paid, really. We're just charging for the sake of it. We were just gonna do this in the park for free.

Cristina: And the people that didn't pay for the show, how are they getting and calling if they're not paying? Unless they're just paying a different price.

Jack: We're paying for them to get on and not be able to hear the show.

Cristina: They're paying like half off.

Jack: So the tickets of the people who paid the. Listen covered the cost of all the people who couldn't pay and now can't listen, but still made it to the island.

Cristina: Okay, that's how it's happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay. I feel like just doing in the middle of the park is easier.

Jack: But then how. No, it needs to be. Because then we gotta pay this f****** city.

Cristina: And how much is that compared to what you're talking about?

Jack: No, the point isn't. The point is doing the show free. Every other cost is unrelated.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, if we do the show in the park, we have to pay the city on paper to do the show in the park.

Cristina: And if we make an island, we have to pay for the island.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not a cost of to do the show. That's just a cost to have an island. Because on the island we're gonna have the free show.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the point is to not pay for the show.

Cristina: And that's the important thing.

Jack: That's the important thing that the show. That we beat the system.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't feel like we won anything.

Jack: We definitely won. We beat the government. We didn't pay them or ask permission.

Cristina: But I'm not sure if we still have to pay them or ask permission about making an island.

Jack: We. They can't. There's no f****** way. That wouldn't make sense. If we had to ask for permission to make an island and land that belongs to nobody or water nobody.

Cristina: But how are we gonna even like build there? I don't.

Jack: We will pay people to go do it with our billions.

Cristina: Because I'm assuming the ones that you were talking about, the oil thing, that can't be in water that's not owned. They probably.

Jack: No, that belongs to a country. 100%.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But we.

Cristina: It's not too deep or too far.

Jack: Yeah, no, it doesn't matter. It took way less resources to build that oil rig than it will to build our island for sure. But we're gonna have an island.

Cristina: What if the mega shark attacks us?

Jack: Mega shark?

Cristina: Yeah, that really big shark The Mega Shark.

Jack: There's a movie.

Cristina: Mega Shark? Yeah.

Jack: There's probably a movie called Mega Shark. But you mean Jaws.

Cristina: No, it's mega. It's huge. I don't know.

Jack: I do remember something like that.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: And the third one is a robot shark. Mecha Shark.

Cristina: There's a Mecha shark. I don't know. That sounds like something that will fight Godzilla.

Jack: Mecha Shark.

Cristina: There's probably a Mecha shark.

Jack: There's probably a Mecha Shark. I mean, there's a Mechagodzilla.

Cristina: Yeah, he should be fighting mechanically.

Jack: Why don't they call him Robozilla?

Cristina: That sounds blamer.

Jack: Then Mechagodzilla. Yeah, they could have called him Mechazilla. D***, that's a good one. Mechazilla sounds cool, but don't. With no. Like, break in the two parts. Like if you united Mecha and Zilla.

Cristina: Like they did with God and Zilla.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Like, you don't say God Zilla, you say Godzilla.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So instead of Mecca Zilla, you say Mechazilla.

Cristina: Mechazilla.

Jack: Mechazilla versus Godzilla.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know how I feel about that.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Mecca, Godzilla, shark or the Kraken?

Jack: I don't know. But in the movie Godzilla, the Kraken. What the.

Cristina: That could attack us. We're in the middle of nowhere in waters that's owned by no one.

Jack: Yeah, but the Kraken is a. It's a punk a**. I challenge him to a duel.

Cristina: I don't know. He is giant squid.

Jack: I think it is either giant squid or giant octopus.

Cristina: No, that both sucks.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably giant octopus. Because a giant squid. A squid is like real specifically shaped like a torpedo. Kind of. Like its fins are really poisonous.

Cristina: Can they. A squid?

Jack: I don't know. I don't think so.

Cristina: I don't think it's.

Jack: I mean, there's powers, but an octopus has these really long tentacles, unlike a squid. And squid has tentacles, but they're shorter and it uses it to jet. It looks like a mop.

Cristina: It looks like a mop?

Jack: Yeah. It's like the shape of mop.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Thinner.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While an octopus is just all over the place. I think the Kraken is a giant octopus.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: They're probably like the same thing between a bunny and a rabbit. Like, they're not the same.

Cristina: I feel like those don't exist.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, I think a bunny is a type of rabbit.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: I don't know. Let's find out.

Cristina: Let's find out. Okay.

Jack: Okay. So bunny is the one that's not a real word.

Cristina: That's exactly what I was thinking. I thought. Because I feel like they would call a toy that or something like, I guess a baby rabbit that you'd call a bunny or something.

Jack: So hare and rabbit.

Cristina: Those are two different things.

Jack: Those are two different things. And they're close to the same creature.

Cristina: Yeah, but bunny is not a thing.

Jack: Got you. So hare and a rabbit. But regardless, we call them all rabbits.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe that's just in this specific country and other country they call it hair. I don't know how that works.

Jack: Fair. But there's like a dominant name. Although they're two different creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the same thing happens with squids and octopuses. I think we. Octopus. No, octopuses is right. God, I hate that word because. So it's not octopi. It's not octopus for plural. It's octopuses, which sounds so incorrect.

Cristina: It's not octopussy.

Jack: Octopussy. Yeah. But we can we conflate those two words. We say octopus or squid and we assume they're the same s***.

Cristina: But they're not.

Jack: But they're not. Like, a lot of people are like, you know this. I saw a squid. No, it's an octopus. I saw an octopus.

Cristina: No, they look very similar.

Jack: Yeah, they got tentacles and they got a big.

Cristina: Like, crocodiles and alligators look very similar.

Jack: I don't know what the f*** the difference is. One is bigger than the other. I know that. I guess I do know what the difference is. I just don't know which one has the name.

Cristina: I feel like if you looked at two different photos, you wouldn't be able.

Jack: To tell if it didn't have a size reference next to them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, like, if I knew which one was assigned by name and there was something they were around that could tell me their size, I could tell you if it's a crocodile or an alligator.

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: I think the alligator is a bigger one and the crocodile is a smaller one.

Cristina: But I bet there's smaller alligators. Like, if I put a small alligator next to a big alligator, you'd be like, that's a crocodile and that's an alligator. And then I'd be like, ha.

Jack: Interesting. There's another tell.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Crocodiles have a really sharp nose. Alligators have the more rounded.

Cristina: Okay. So there's something. Okay. Because it's just size. I think I could trick you.

Jack: Yeah. And alligators are swifter because they're smaller, they're closer to, like a lizard.

Cristina: Which one?

Jack: A crocodile.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: While an alligator. So slow. Well, it's not really slow if it got really of, like, really, really got a problem. The good thing is they have short stamina.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And that's where the difference is. But if you, like, had to run a substantial difference and you were tired, you're now running it, you're f*****.

Cristina: Would it chase you a lot of time?

Jack: It won't because it needs to cool off and they try to stay by water so that. That, like, holds your swimming.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: You're not winning. Yeah. But at least you're not as f***** as a hippo. No, like a hippos, the craziest thing. It'll outrun you on foot. It'll outrun you in the water.

Cristina: There are different types of hippos. There has to be. Right.

Jack: It has to be right. Like, be weird if there weren't just one kind of a hippo out there.

Cristina: Because they all look the same to me.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So it's like elephants.

Jack: I'm sure there's a bunch of different kind of elephants.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or horses.

Cristina: There's definitely.

Jack: Yeah. I'm sure there's no way there's one of anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. Even if they look the same, but.

Cristina: For hippos, they've always looked the same. I guess I would have to just look at different types of hippos to really know.

Jack: But they showed us two different kinds of hippos at the same time. Maybe we'd be like, wait, why does this one look like. You know. And then if we saw enough of them, be like, well, this kind of hippo, is that because of that thing kind of like crocodile, Alligator.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like they kind of the same, but when you really think about it, you're like, ah, but you have a smaller, pointier nose.

Cristina: Yeah. So there has to be different hippos. I don't know. It's just every hippo looks like the same hippo to me.

Jack: Yeah. It's like elephants. All the elephants look more or less the same.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I feel more of the hippo than the elephant. I feel like there's probably differences with the elephants. Maybe you could tell from their ears, the ear shape, know how they have.

Jack: Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Cristina: Like there's probably something that's telling. I don't know.

Jack: Or rhinoceroses. Like, there's a type of a creature that it looks like they're almost the same s*** in any other, like, version of it. Like, I'm sure there's different kinds of rhinos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I got one, like, image of a rhino.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, it could be because our country is ignorant of this type of animals.

Cristina: Yes. Because they're not common.

Jack: Because they're not common. And in the countries where those animals are common, they could just tell them apart.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Well, but even some animals that are common here, I don't think I tell the difference. Like a type of squirrel.

Jack: Fair enough. Oh, well, no, there are types of squirrels. There's the regular squirrel and for example, the flying squirrel. You can already tell those two apart.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah. That's very different, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No, I don't.

Jack: Is a chipmunk a squirrel?

Cristina: Huh? Yes. I think I could tell a chipmunk from a squirrel apart, at least.

Jack: Is it a squirrel? It's a type. They're the same. Like umbrella.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: I don't know. But then is a rat the same? I don't know.

Jack: Is the chipmunk closer to a rat than it is? Oh, no, A squirrel is a rat.

Cristina: Is a squirrel a rat?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Squirrel's a rodent.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: Which is what also chipmunk is, Right?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. That sounds d***.

Jack: But then there's so many different kinds of rodents. I guess it doesn't work the same as, like, can we tell different types of chipmunks apart?

Cristina: Definitely not if there are different types of chipmunks.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because I could be like, we could.

Jack: All tell what a feline is until. Different types of felines. But if I'm like, could you tell me two different types of, like, lions?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: No. Yes.

Jack: And now. Well, there are many different types of canines, but, like, you could probably tell me many differences between the different kinds of huskies, which region one came from or what. Those are common to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We can see the white husky and be like, oh, that's from this side. Well, that. That blue. And like. Okay, that one's more wolf. Because this.

Cristina: Okay. I think that's. Yeah. Dogs are easier, I guess.

Jack: Same thing with cats. There's. We could just say house cat. I could say Japanese bobcat, or I could say Siamese cat. Or like, you know, these are different types of domesticated cats.

Cristina: I think people know more dog types than cat types.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Or breeds, or whatever you want to call it. Breeds.

Jack: We could tell the breeds apart and then we can tell difference up between. Within the breeds. We can get really granular with dogs.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. With the Dog? Yep.

Jack: Like, there could be a Chihuahua, but it could be Chihuahuas from many different places. And you can tell different types of Chihuahuas. And Chihuahuas are pure Chihuahuas and things like that. We could just tell by looking at them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But like, I couldn't do that with an elephant.

Cristina: Or a rat.

Jack: Or a rat. Well, we don't look at rats enough. You know, Also, we live in a weird bubble without them.

Cristina: What about hamsters? Everyone has hamsters. Okay, maybe not everyone has hamsters, but.

Jack: Could you tell difference between two different types of hamsters, or are they just both hamsters to you?

Cristina: Yeah, they're probably just hamsters because have.

Jack: You looked at enough hamsters to be this is what's different? Or whatever? F***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, I've recently been learning a lot about horses. And before, horses all look the f****** same to me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But now it can start telling you some differences. I can't get granular with it, but I can tell you, like, different types of horse.

Cristina: Yeah. You know enough about horse.

Jack: I know enough about horses. I know Turkomani and the Arabians, man.

Cristina: Are there separate in that? Like, are they all the same?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, is that the breed?

Jack: Those are. Yeah. Well, I guess it's countries where they come from and a lot of the horses are acknowledged for the country that breeds that type of horse, even if there might be variants that aren't necessarily country related, but within the country, that same type of horse might have different variants. Yes, but you can tell who. Who bred it based on the type of code and based on the behaviors that the horse like, the traits it has.

Cristina: So you can tell what country you came from?

Jack: Yeah, a lot of the time.

Cristina: Okay, well. And they look so different from each other, though eventually you tell the difference. At least from a big horse to a small horse is the easiest to tell the difference. Yeah, like, I don't know.

Jack: Like, I. My Google search for this took place in me asking the God of all knowledge, what's the best horse in the world?

Cristina: You asked Google that?

Jack: Well, I asked Google And I guess YouTube is also Google.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And just went down a rabbit hole of people who love horses, talking horses.

Cristina: And what's their best.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Did they all agree.

Jack: They all agree that the greatest horse in the world is the Arabian. But the videos I was focusing on are other than. Because everybody had the same argument on the Arabian. Okay. So other than the Arabians, who's the next best? And everybody goes to the Turk and.

Cristina: It'S because they're the prettiest they're beautiful.

Jack: They're elegant. They're tall. They're slender. Their performance is great. They're incredibly intelligent or incredibly fast.

Cristina: Do they have contests? Like, you know how in the date. You know how we do with the dogs? And we have contests for dogs.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And competitions. That's what I mean. You have dog competitions that, you know, test out their ability, how they pay attention, all these different things about the dog or whatever, and they look at their coat and see how good it's kept and etc. Is that picky?

Jack: Yeah, we have contests like that for horse.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess we would have that for everything.

Jack: Yeah. 100 for random.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's probably a cat version of that.

Cristina: Oh, there might be a cat version of that. What?

Jack: Yeah, it's probably.

Cristina: Yes. I just know I've seen a few dog ones.

Jack: Interesting. Man, this is so much crap we don't know about. Crap we don't know anything about anything.

Cristina: There's too much to know.

Jack: There's too much to know.

Cristina: There's too much. You just gotta pick a thing.

Jack: You just gotta know that you can pick many things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You'll never get everything.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And the more things you pick, the less you'll know about any one specific thing. But everything is infinite.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you could, in theory, dive fully into one thing and know nothing else and never finish about.

Cristina: And there's some people that do that too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: There are people who are experts in one area and retarded everywhere else, and people who are not even experts, but, like, really proficient in many areas. There are people who are experts in many areas. There are people who suck in a lot of areas, but they know enough about each area to survive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, that's pretty awesome.

Cristina: Mm. But there's just too much to know.

Jack: Too much.

Cristina: No one can ever know anything. Everything about anything.

Jack: No, but they will say everything about everything and. No. Everything about any.

Cristina: Anything.

Jack: Yeah. No, that's right.

Cristina: Like, experts would say that they. They know.

Jack: We know all the. No, you don't know.

Cristina: You don't know.

Jack: You just. You know everything you could. Or that you've thought about figuring out. D***. That's the hard one. Swallow. Like you haven't even thought of all the questions yet. How do you know everything?

Cristina: No, you don't.

Jack: You don't even know what questions you have not answered yet. The best way would be to say, we've answered every question we've asked. Yeah, that's a good way to sell something. We've answered every question we've Ever asked. Now, when somebody asks a question that you did not think of, we broke it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what happens with math and science all the f****** time.

Cristina: That's. Yeah. That's why, you know, that you can't know about everything.

Jack: Yeah. Because. Especially with math, because science is primarily based on math and math will stumble upon weird s***. And it'd be like, well, this because that. But like, why is this over here going on? It's like, well, we don't know just how it happened.

Cristina: It happens.

Jack: And that's okay. Because most people think math is infallible. Right. And that's like, wrong. There are unsolved math problems, a ton of them just out there, and they might have a solution.

Cristina: Answers are come up, like, I guess problems are solved. That's what I meant.

Jack: Probably not often some of these have stood the test of time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like math problems, just not forever. And we always think, like math. No, that's the most solid thing. It helps us with everything. But can you imagine if we found out there was some part of math we didn't understand that made everything else function? Because we didn't know that we didn't know it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then when we figured out, we're like, f*** every. Everything.

Cristina: We started with math and we learned different things. We haven't added anything recently, but from like 1 to. What is it, 1 to 10 to 0 and then negative numbers and then.

Jack: Well, no, there's things added to math all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, taught in school.

Cristina: But even now there's still things discovered.

Jack: And added to figure out things that you could do with math progressively.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. That's sort of the problem people think, and they kind of try to convince.

Cristina: Us that it's all solved, that it's.

Jack: All solved and math is infallible. And it's not. It's not. There are problems that have never been solved. And can you imagine if in solving one of those, we realize every other thing that we've ever. Like the world we built in math.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or the world we built around us based on math.

Cristina: Was wrong.

Jack: Was wrong because of some piece we didn't even know to question before.

Cristina: Yes. Do we just pretend that that doesn't exist? Because that's a lot. That's a lot to redo.

Jack: Yeah. Well, we have to do all of everything. Or like, it's worked as long as we. But can you imagine? We find out, well, this is why peace never happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, what, it was a math problem.

Cristina: Yeah. But then I guess we would try to solve it.

Jack: Like it's too late now because how far down the decimal points we went, you know? Yeah, like we're here. This is. We should have started this back then, but we only figured it out now. Cuz we're f****** stupid. And built society without understanding.

Cristina: Yeah, math is complicated.

Jack: Why the f*** we don't even know if we can go to. Because we don't know anything. We don't even know if we can go to the center of the ocean where nobody owns it.

Cristina: Every question. Yeah there is to know.

Jack: We don't know if we can make an island in the middle of the f****** ocean.

Cristina: We'll never be able to make an island in the middle ocean.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because that's crazy. That's as crazy as making a city underwater. Like in Bioshock.

Jack: But like, I mean, who says what? I mean it's a logistic nightmare. I understand, but it's not. I doubt it's impossible.

Cristina: I think it's impossible.

Jack: You definitely need compression technology. Well, no. There's facilities underwater.

Cristina: Are there?

Jack: There are.

Cristina: Those are realistic. Yeah.

Jack: I mean not like way in the bottom of the center of the ocean.

Cristina: They make it seem like we're not.

Jack: We're also not gonna have a facility down in the bottom of the ocean. We're gonna just throw crap down there that's gonna compress with the weight of more crap until it gets to the top.

Cristina: Isn't someone gonna complain that we're.

Jack: Who? We're not throwing just like McDonald's wrappings in there.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: It's just we're using dirt and like.

Cristina: We'Re building a thing from another country.

Jack: And on the flip side. Don't be crazy. We decide we're gonna own this. We're gonna build it and we take. We buy all the literal garbage from everywhere. But we need a way to contain it from spreading out. Because we would turn all into the solid that we would use to then put the island in the solving a huge problem. The amount of pollution we would cause with machinery running to build the island though would definitely not compensate for the like we're taking trash and we're causing. Probably causing more pollution than it is we're solving.

Cristina: So won't people complain?

Jack: Nobody can stop us. Why can somebody force like, I don't know, North Korea to have less emissions? No, they do what the they want.

Cristina: But we're not a real country. We.

Jack: As soon as. That's my point. Do we become a real country?

Cristina: But like probably one is done. But if someone tries to stop us.

Jack: Beforehand, who is allowed?

Cristina: I don't know. But, like, if someone does, like, once.

Jack: I'm not in your shores and I'm.

Cristina: Far enough of a country yet because the country's not finished, can't they stop you because you're still part of whatever country you're from?

Jack: How am I part of whatever? Who's stopping me? I mean, once I leave their waters, what jurisdiction do they have? I'm not the property of f****** the United Kingdoms or the United States. I'm not their property. Once I'm out of their thing, I.

Cristina: Don'T tell you it's wrong. Then, like, they'll arrest you if you decide to come back from your island.

Jack: Why do they have the right to tell me it's wrong? I doubt that's accurate. That could not be the case. I doubt it. I believe once I'm out of whatever the radius is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the only thing that makes sense because we would be killing everybody all the time for the most water.

Cristina: For the most water.

Jack: The only way to solve this problem is to say there's a distance from your land and that's it.

Cristina: But they might want to try to stop you from reaching that Disney have.

Jack: Then I will immediately contact the countries that support the treaty because that means somebody else is enforcing some s*** in public water. And now if they can do that means you can.

Cristina: Because you're traveling their water to get to your water. They could stop you from traveling their.

Jack: Water income to their businesses. They're not allowed to do that. No. Because that's an independent country. And so because there's an independent country doing business and doing business with that country and they have legal rights to that water and they can come in and out of that water for work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they take that to the middle of the ocean where they're dumping it. And I get this done by all the countries that are willing to help.

Cristina: And build one country. Who would want to help?

Jack: Well, however many of these companies there are, it's not the country itself helping. It's just different companies. I'm hiring from all these different countries.

Cristina: The actual countries aren't happy with what you're doing.

Jack: They can't do anything.

Cristina: They can get those companies in trouble.

Jack: Right. And then the company will help you. But I doubt every single company from every single country, some countries gonna be like, yeah, it's fine. I don't. If they're gonna enforce s*** on the water, then they're trying to look for a fight, because we can all do that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there nobody Wants that heat.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You decide to be the first to enforce what stops every other country in the world from turning on you for disobeying the whole we're not gonna grab all the water treaty.

Cristina: Mm. Okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moment you say they can't is because you feel you have authority over that water that cannot be claimed.

Cristina: But they're talk. But what if they're just talking about the water that they own, though? They don't want you to go into their water.

Jack: I'm not going into their water.

Cristina: These businesses are right. They're going every fourth from your water to their water.

Jack: The problem that you're seeing here is If I hired 150 companies from 150 different countries, every single one of the 150 countries said no. They all had the same idea. Then they disagreed with each other, which has never happened in the history of ever.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That would be the easiest way to make peace. I should start this project just to establish world peace, because I can get everybody to agree on one thing or more risk. Realistically, there'll be some countries that are like, whatever, do what you want.

Cristina: Okay, so you got to go to that country. Yeah, maybe. I feel like that's more realistic.

Jack: That's way more realistic. I doubt the don't build this island in the middle of uncharted waters movement is not how we establish world peace. But, like, yeah, the argument you're putting forward says that might be possible.

Cristina: No, I think, yeah, some countries will agree.

Jack: Some countries might even not agree, but they're gonna disagree simply because they don't like one of the countries that agreed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, no, you can't do it. And it's like, well, we f****** hate you. So he can do it now. What?

Cristina: And he can use all our dirt.

Jack: Yeah, use all our dirt. We'll give you dirt.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. And then both. Then would they want your island to be part of their island?

Jack: No, because you do all these things. Like, maybe, you know, we want to establish direct trade ports first because, you know, we supported you.

Cristina: Yeah. I imagine this is Russia the only country that decides that they're gonna help you.

Jack: But also, I mean, China's on board, too, for sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, those countries are like, yeah, we'll do this, but, you know, I'm down. We get something.

Jack: If Russia wants me to build is down to support me to build an island in the middle of nowhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then I'll accept it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Come on, Russia. Come on, China. Let's do this. Let's team up so I can build this island and we can have 30 people shows. They're gonna gain nothing, but their companies will. I guess they do, because that tax comes through their com, through their country.

Cristina: And maybe you have to, like, advertise their countries or something.

Jack: Yeah, I know. Because their products already have, like, watermarks and crap on them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like. Yeah, your products are in our country, and the buildings that are in here were built by your people. So, you know, Russian buildings in China. I'll let you make them look however you want. It doesn't matter. Yeah, a building, I guess.

Cristina: AIM building.

Jack: Mean by both the Russians and the.

Cristina: Chinese of each leader.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And on every. Everywhere, actually, they just have statues of themselves all over the island.

Jack: It's a small island. There probably only fit two statues in the audience.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And the audience. And what about the other audience?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, all of the. Everything we discussed would fit on that island with a little more room so that at night we don't all drown to death. Also, they're only there on that island for one hour.

Cristina: For one hour. Oh, yeah. Because of the show.

Jack: The show's only an hour.

Cristina: Yeah, it has to be a little longer than an hour.

Jack: I mean, they arrive before and after. Well, we don't have to worry about the people in the outer circle. So it's like when the last of the 30 walks into the inner circle, the show just immediately begins. Yes, that's when the clock starts on the spot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And as soon as it's over, we just get on the chopper and we're out. We're off to the nearest boat where we board a jet and that takes us away.

Cristina: And then we go on to our other island with the zombies.

Jack: Yes. Yes. Zombie Island.

Cristina: Yeah, that's where we.

Jack: That's part of a country.

Cristina: That's part of country. What country owns that island?

Jack: That's wherever the f*** the UFC Fight island is.

Cristina: The Fight island owns the other island.

Jack: Well, whatever island. Well, Fight island is owned by somebody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But it's a tiny little country or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So Fight island is part of that country, and we are part of whatever that country is. Yeah, I mean, we're there illegally anyways. Who cares?

Cristina: Yeah. I think we took over Fight island and put the zombies there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And that's how we ended up owning the island.

Jack: Yes. And it's also a castle made of toilet paper.

Cristina: And a theme park.

Jack: And a theme park. Yeah, it's a. Yeah, it's a fort and a theme park.

Cristina: Yep. That's a cool island.

Jack: It's the best island made of all the toilet. Because we know the toilet paper fights the COVID and that's why that island came to be. Because toilet paper fights Covid, and that's.

Cristina: Why we're still alive.

Jack: And that's why we're still alive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the logic of the world. So I guess that's the way to have this show, really.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're gonna. We gotta go get all the resources, pay all the companies. We got a lot of paperwork to do.

Cristina: A lot.

Jack: A lot of paperwork. But it's gonna work. It's gonna be great. Everybody's gonna love it.

Cristina: Or you can just go to the park.

Jack: I don't want to pay, and I don't want to ask for permission. I don't have to ask our island permission, and I don't have to pay our island.

Cristina: We go. That's abandoned, and we do it there illegally.

Jack: I'm not breaking the law. Everything I just said was to do it legal. This whole episode is how to do this.

Cristina: Complicated, though.

Jack: Yeah. You rather just break the law instead?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Am I the one who's following the rules this time?

Cristina: Your rules are insane.

Jack: I didn't make the rules. I didn't make any of these rules. We're just trying our best to follow these rules and make an island, I guess.

Cristina: What? The whole island thing is crazy too.

Jack: The island thing is crazy, but the rules that made the island thing crazy are the problem.

Cristina: Like, renting a room would have been a better choice.

Jack: And then we could do it inside. But it was supposed to be outdoors.

Cristina: Yes, well, we could. I changed my mind. Let's do it inside.

Jack: So we're just instead scrapping everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this episode is essentially like a Family Guy dream episode.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they're like, how angry would people get if they found out that none of this is ever gonna happen? Because they were. They were convinced we were about to do this.

Cristina: No, they weren't. Everybody made it into this.

Jack: No, everybody made it through this whole episode. And they're like, well, you know, this is amazing. And I can't wait to be one of the first 30. Or I guess the only 30.

Cristina: It makes the ticket cheaper, though. They don't have to pay a thousand dollars. They wanted. They wanted on some random island.

Jack: No, they wanted the experience of going to the island. They wanted the experience of going to the island for one hour. What a weird story. They're so mad at you right now.

Cristina: For a thousand dollars, I feel like so Much could go wrong. They're just gonna feel like the island is gonna just. Just. I don't know, drown.

Jack: They're just gonna comment that you ruined their hopes and dreams.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Yeah. They're gonna be like, oh. Oh, she ruined it. It was gonna be great. I was gonna have a weird story about taking a weird flight to this place.

Cristina: Who's just like, I was gonna survive that.

Jack: What do you mean, survive it?

Cristina: It's just a horrible idea. I don't know. It's a tiny island.

Jack: What?

Cristina: They'll have garbage and there. I don't know.

Jack: It's gonna be the best island. Come on.

Cristina: People would show up their statues like, what if.

Jack: No, it's gonna be.

Cristina: It's in the middle of, like, the ocean.

Jack: It's built by professionals.

Cristina: Super windy. It's probably extra, extra, extra windy because nothing's there.

Jack: It's built by professionals.

Cristina: The water is gonna kill us. The water is so crazy in that part.

Jack: No, we're gonna.

Cristina: Ocean.

Jack: It's not like this tall of buildings. The water isn't going.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is.

Jack: Then again, we don't really know.

Cristina: Right, exactly.

Jack: Because there's nothing out there.

Cristina: Dangerous area. Like, how are we gonna survive? I don't think we survived.

Jack: No, the water doesn't move like that. That'd be crazy.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yeah, we just make enough height and we don't have shows when there's, like, a f****** crazy storm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're not gonna be traveling there in the middle of a crazy thunderstorm.

Cristina: Like, what if we can't predict the weather there? What if it works like the Bermuda Triangle or whatever?

Jack: That's crazy. What if we build this in the Bermuda Triangle?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Is that in the shores of. If that. Is that within the f******. Could we do it in the very middle? We're all people with pain.

Cristina: How would we get it done?

Jack: I don't know. Ships would come in and out somehow.

Cristina: They'll die. We'll lose so many people trying to build it.

Jack: The question is, is that still happening in the Bermuda Triangle? Or was that just some s*** we didn't understand? Now we're like, well, though we have the technology to just easily fly over.

Cristina: It, we probably just fly around it.

Jack: You think we just gave up on it? No, that's not like a f******. There's just. There's not a part of the world. We were just like, f*** that patch.

Cristina: Yeah. Why not?

Jack: At the beginning, I'm sure. I know now. There's like, somebody figured it out. Like, oh, obviously it was this Only planes made of these materials can go through, and they won't get pulled down by the giant magnets at the bottom or whatever the f*** is happening, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, that area has a specific type of methane gas that destroys engines and then just fails and does not go through it. I mean, they make planes that handle it well, you know, and ships that just floats and made a majority plastic and, like, aluminum.

Cristina: I feel like it's easier for them just to go around it than try to build newer, better planes. Because plane company suck.

Jack: Yeah. Boeing would send people straight through there.

Cristina: And then they die. That's probably gonna happen all the time.

Jack: Both of those planes that crash from Boeing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Enter the Bermuda Triangle. So far away they landed, didn't crash and crash somewhere.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. But nowhere near the bbut, of course.

Jack: Because we don't know what happens here. They got teleported to where they crashed.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were going through the Bermuda Triangle. They blinked out and just hit a mountain or something.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: All facts. All this is true stories for days.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is a lie anyways. We're running out of time. So now you guys know how we're gonna have the next show. It's gonna be on an island in the middle of what's just conversational.

Cristina: And say it again.

Jack: Just conversation.

Cristina: That's such a hard name to say.

Jack: It's fine. They'll figure it out after I say it.

Cristina: Enough time. Just conversation.

Jack: This conversation. And no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's spelled X equal sign and number one.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah. And just as we have this island made, we'll post on, you know, Ticketmaster, you guys can buy your tickets to listen to. We also need to make sure Putin and Z send us their statues to put there. We're gonna have everything in front of the statues.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna be great. You guys are gonna come. We're gonna have 30 people in the inner circle and you can hear the show and then 60, because it's bigger outside.

Cristina: Oh, 60 hours.

Jack: So we'll have 60 on the outer circle. They can't hear anything but can watch you having fun.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Listening to the show.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: That's maybe. Maybe it'll be a special episode. Two hours long. Because a special location.

Cristina: We're gonna have a guest. A special guest that we don't call.

Jack: Them two in one. Alex Gray coming to you on that episode. Alex Gray. Facts. Is gonna have Alex Gray on this random island.

Cristina: Yes. Well, also, we need his wife because he takes her. What do you mean?

Jack: Allie, Alexandria, Alex. Alex, her, she misses. Yeah. The other is gonna show up as well, and she's gonna love it. And Alex is kind of shy, so she'll do most of the talking. Talk to us about his paintings.

Cristina: Yeah, she's gonna talk to us about his paintings. Yeah.

Jack: Tell us about his art and stuff. And. Yeah, facts. This is. This is factually, without a doubt, we're gonna have an island before the. Don't. Don't doubt us. You can hold us to this. We're honest folk.

Cristina: For the next episode.

Jack: For the very next episode. The next time you hear our voices after this episode, it's going to be taking place on an island.

Cristina: Recording that episode.

Jack: Yeah, 100. It's gonna take place on an island. I mean, we could have a private episode and not show it. And only the people who were there.

Cristina: Oh, that's probably better.

Jack: It's probably better. And then they can't hold us to anything. I'm saying.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So factually, only the people who bought the tickets, and we'll see who the most consistent listeners are and only send them the invites. So if you didn't get an invite, you don't hear this show enough because we tracked you through math or whatever people do.

Cristina: Google somehow.

Jack: Yeah, Google somehow supplies that information. They'll tell us we could. If we could realistically probably just buy it. Yeah, like off of Google, Facebook, Facebook. You have a Facebook?

Cristina: Factually, Facebook has.

Jack: They don't even. They have Google's data of how often you listen. They have Apple's data. Apple didn't even give it to them. Google' Facebook is just hacking in the mainframes and stealing data just to sell it. It's a giant crime organization that we're all just okay with.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: It's fire. Anyways. So we're gonna get your data and only to the 30 most often listeners. So, you know, start listening more often or you won't ever know that you didn't get that invite. Go listen to all the older episodes. That's all.

Cristina: We only invite 30 piece. What if not all of them accept?

Jack: Yeah, no, no, no.

Cristina: It'll be like 30 that accept.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The first 30 that accept it, we're gonna send it out in the first 30 get in.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: And you guys can listen to all those episodes that are gonna make you more frequent listeners. This is how you enter. Basically, you listen more. So you enter to win an invite in which you pay us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Fair. So you're gonna get an opportunity to give us money.

Cristina: A thousand dollars.

Jack: Thousand dollars.

Cristina: Which is not much compared to what we're giving you.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Because you're getting island that's arguably worth multiple billions for an hour.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Wow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the show you can't put a price on art.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Priceless. You're getting priceless. And whatever the cost of the island are simultaneously so expensive and priceless.

Cristina: Amazing.

Jack: Oh, value.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: You could listen to all those episodes on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or any way you get your podcast.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe so that you get more episodes you see and leave reviews. That's probably a good way to enter as well, because we know you're listening more often. And not just the review. I mean read it, but review it. Throw words in there, you know, so you put little start thingy, little star, someone 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 12, 15, 30, making multiple accounts and give us different reviews. Do whatever. It's up to you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We don't care. But do that and also leave reviews.

Cristina: Yeah, that'd be nice.

Jack: Yeah. Words.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is a very important thing for us. Yeah, We. We just told you how the future show is gonna go. You can't hear it because we're gonna record a normal episode that you're gonna hear. But you'll know that maybe you missed.

Cristina: Out on that on that episode.

Jack: But if you tell more people, then we know we were the guy. Yo, Christy. The guy's information we stole using Facebook and they sold it to us when we gave them $10.

Cristina: That guy told like three people.

Jack: Because we can see his whole friends connections through his phone. Yeah, because Facebook on his phone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like we know he's talking to that girl Sandra. And now Sandra tuned in and he was listening and she wasn't listening, which means he told her we got that data. Cuz Facebook. And we'll know that if you told somebody they tuned in and they're your friend. We knew they were your friend before. We're like, how many friends of this guy listen? Not one of them. That one does. Now the odds are he told them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we'll just so see if your friend by chance randomly stumbled upon the show. Actually, unless they googled some s***, which we can trace your friends status too, because Facebook gives us all that stuff.

Cristina: Whoever you message, whether it's about a show or not about it, we're just going to know. I'm just going to know cuz Facebook.

Jack: Anyways, yeah.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Is some language and you heard it like it's common.

Jack: Yeah, I heard a group of people tossing around cuck nug f*** it regularly and then pretending they were angry at one another and joking around.

Cristina: I feel like you would have asked. Why wouldn't you have asked what it meant?

Jack: They were complete strangers. I just heard a group of people talking about cuck nug fuckets.

Cristina: That's not a word.

Jack: You don't know that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Kug kug nug fug it.

Cristina: No. You could ask Google.

Jack: Google wouldn't know. It might be like a hidden language that Google knows nothing about.

Cristina: Or it's a language that you made up right now.

Jack: I did not make it up. I did not make up Kugnug fugit.

Cristina: Yes you did. Yes you did.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Doesn't sound like anything.

Jack: It's a factual thing. Kugnug fugit.

Cristina: You don't even know the language.

Jack: I don't. Of course not. It was just a bunch of people talking about Kugnug fugitive it.

Cristina: And you can use that in a sentence.

Jack: They were doing it. I don't know how to use it in a sentence. I don't know what it is.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 146: Origins of Batman's Money

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Where does Bruce Wayne get his money? How does Bruce Wayne maintain this money? Does he have companies? What do these companies do? And what is his obsession with bats to begin with? Did a bat assassinate his family and so he ironically dresses like his greatest fear? The duo deep dive to uncover the origin and history of Bruce Wayne’s money and the Batman.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Thomas Wayne
  • Crime Alley
  • Joker’s Age
  • The Little Mermaid
  • Pinocchio
  • The Search for Souls
  • Frankenstein
  • Mario’s Family
  • Giant Bat
  • The League of Assassins
  • Onlyfans
  • Bruce Wayne’s Thoughts
  • Bat-Powers
  • Batgician
  • Bat-Bots

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childhood. Choice. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes, or at least why?

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes, so go find your listening partner if you don't have one by now.

Cristina: What happened to your voice?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: It changed.

Jack: No, it didn't.

Cristina: Yes, it did.

Jack: It's been this way since the day I was born.

Cristina: You just. You just made a Batman voice, I think. I don't know.

Jack: Batman cancer voice.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Batman cancer I've had. I am fighting crime. But also I decided to do this after having way too many cigarettes. Is that like the story behind this guy?

Cristina: Yeah, he's like, Saul, he's dying from cancer. Lung cancer.

Jack: Yeah, we already had this conversation like in season two or some s***. Then there was like the f******. Because he becomes the bat fleck where he has a robot voice and now I'm a robot or whatever. And it's cuz he. He had. He goes through the whole cancer process. Then he has no vocal cords because of all the cigarettes. I am Batman. Fear me or whatever. Don't do crime or whatever. He says to people. I am the. I am the night. I am the dark.

Cristina: Is he supposed to talk to people? He only talks to the cops. Does he talk to the criminals? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. But Batman kills, bro. Look, people say his one rule is no murder. But he's like constantly kicking guys off of roofs. They're just like henchmen, bro. They're just guys.

Cristina: I'm sure there's like something on the bottom of every building that just catches all of them.

Jack: I don't know, dude.

Cristina: Batman, he's rich enough. He has something catch them.

Jack: He has like a Jarvis Auto grabbing people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just falling and why is he. What the does Matt was. Whatever. I guess he has a money.

Cristina: He has a ridiculous. He has like infinite amount of money doing. I don't know.

Jack: He's the Queen type of rich.

Cristina: He's the Queen type of rich. Yes, but what's his business?

Jack: He has whatever company Lucius works for that makes tech.

Cristina: He's. He's a tech guy, but he's not A tech.

Jack: Well, he doesn't make the tech, but he owns a tech company and he pays a tech dude to do tech stuff. And I don't. I'm not really sure why.

Cristina: How did his parents. But they were in tech people. They have money and they gave him the business. Then the business transformed into tech.

Jack: They were. Man. I think his parents are criminals. Yeah, but like financial criminals.

Cristina: Probably. But what was their front?

Jack: Like? The front? Yeah. Dude, I don't know. That's interesting.

Cristina: I don't think it was.

Jack: Let's guess without looking it up. Let's. Let's use context clues to put together what we know about Gotham.

Cristina: All I know is that they were rich.

Jack: They were rich?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They were killed leaving, like, a theater or something.

Cristina: Yes. On a street known as, like, dangerous. Yes.

Jack: It was literally Crime Alley. It's like, okay, I am. What? F****** not Bruce Wayne. What the f*** is his dad's name?

Cristina: Bruce Wayne Senior, I guess.

Jack: She telling me Batman is Junior?

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: F*** it. So we got. No, it's. It's Thomas Wayne.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Thomas Wayne is this super mega awesome, duper. Duper genius guy.

Cristina: Is he a genius?

Jack: I don't know. But he was smart enough to be a billionaire. A bajillionaire.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And somehow still had the lapse of judgment to decide it makes perfect sense to walk down Crime Alley at night.

Cristina: You're assuming that some of that money came from crime. Then maybe he thought he was safe to walk on Crime Alley because he's a criminal.

Jack: But they don't. What the. They don't know he's. He's a suit and tie criminal. His is shady background noise.

Cristina: But don't the criminals know that?

Jack: I don't tell me criminals who hang out at Crime Alley just know Thomas Wayne and Martha Wayne.

Cristina: No, they wouldn't know. I don't know.

Jack: They don't know.

Cristina: I don't know. But what is he.

Jack: I don't know. So we know they're already rich.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We know he's smart enough to be a billionaire, but dumb enough to go down Crime Alley. They were like, at a theater or something. We're just picking clues.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: It's either a place, like a play, some sort of play or fancy event thing. Maybe like a. A suit and tie, like dinner thing where a bunch of rich douchebags get together and, like, some of them are criminal. Secretly. Anyways. Like these people.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And. And yeah, they die there. So I don't know. I don't know what they do. I know they're Rich, filthy rich, super mega duper rich.

Cristina: And they were probably hanging out with criminals though, because then they walk on Crime street, it's normal. Because they're with their friends who are criminals.

Jack: Except they weren't walking around with their friends who are criminals. I don't think they hang out with petty criminals. I think it's all financial. Like big. Like they hang out with kingpins, which means little guys don't know about them.

Cristina: Okay, but what. He's not a doctor, is he?

Jack: No, I don't think he's a doctor.

Cristina: I don't think he's a doctor. He paid a doctor. Right? Or something in one of those movies.

Jack: To do what?

Cristina: To lie about Joker's mom.

Jack: We're using that canon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, he still doesn't tell us what the he did.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: He was.

Cristina: He's a businessman.

Jack: He's a busy eye. He's a businessman, question mark.

Cristina: Yes, that's.

Jack: That's his job. Yes. He does business that results in money. He does things that equal money. And that is business.

Cristina: Technically, yes, but what business? It could be anything, man.

Jack: I wonder if it's ever clarified.

Cristina: It has to be. I think maybe not. Maybe Bruce Wayne doesn't even know.

Jack: He's just like, I'm rich. I don't know why I'm rich, but I am rich.

Cristina: And then I'm in a tech company and then they die. That's as far as I know about them, man.

Jack: That's crazy. Maybe. He said he knows they were criminals, right?

Cristina: No, he doesn't. Because they just told him your parents were rich and they died.

Jack: In Joker the movie, the Joker is already quite an adult. He's like 30.

Cristina: He's really.

Jack: Or 40.

Cristina: Sad looking. 20 year old. Really crappy, unhealthy. 20 year old.

Jack: I mean that's pretty bad looking 20 year old man.

Cristina: Yes, let's pretend that that's what's happening.

Jack: But no, he's like 40. 40, 45. How old is Thomas Wayne?

Cristina: Yeah, because if he's his dad, if that's a true story, how old is that guy?

Jack: Dude, I feel that doesn't. I guess Joker should have been like 30. He was playing like a 35 year old.

Cristina: Okay, let's pretend he's. Yeah.

Jack: Which makes Thomas Wayne at 50s, 60s. If he had him at 20, then he would be 55. That makes sense.

Cristina: That's right.

Jack: Let's say that to be 55. If he had the joker at 20 and the joker is 35. Ish.

Cristina: Yeah. And Bruce is like 13.

Jack: Yeah, Bruce was like 13 or some s***. Now the question that I have is, is the Bruce Wayne from that movie the same Bruce Wayne from Gotham and like, is that more canon? Because brute and also like Joker's that much older than f****** Batman, bro. Like, that's a weird story.

Cristina: That is a weird story. I don't know why they made him so young. Or I guess because we're. Or old because he grows up. Joker's gonna be so old. I don't know. He's gonna be so much older than me.

Jack: It doesn't make any sense. He's gonna be like.

Cristina: He'S gonna become the guy from Saw. I don't know.

Jack: Well, okay, so let's say we're gonna be. Because he was clearly not kid was like 10. So f*** it, we'll say he's 10 and the Joker is 35. So Joker holds 25 years on Batman. So when Batman is finally Batman, we'll say Batman is 30, but the Joker has 25 years on him. So he's 55. That's fair. Okay, that's fair.

Cristina: 30. How will we say Batman's 25 in the movie? Or end whatever. Batman. Batman's 25. How old is Joker?

Jack: Batman's 25. The Joker's 50. No, my older brother, the 50 year old Joker.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know how it works. It's gonna be weird. Batman is an old old dude.

Jack: It's not old. 50 is an old. Especially with the way the Joker. Old is a state of mind.

Cristina: But he looks really bad at whatever age he's supposed to be. He's already dying. He's super thin. He was like creepy sick looking.

Jack: But I'm sure he gets healthier.

Cristina: Like the cartoon Joker become when he becomes his true self.

Jack: Yeah. Now that he's no longer like, he'll.

Cristina: Be a healthier looking man. Yeah.

Jack: He's gonna eat more.

Cristina: He's gonna eat more. He's gonna eat people. He's not a cannibalism. Cannibal, is he?

Jack: He's not cannibalism, though. Cannibalism is an abstract idea and word in the act of eating a human. He. The Joker is not cannibalism, I assure you.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: I am positive. The Joker is not cannibalism. Otherwise the Joker has existed throughout history.

Cristina: Well, what if he has?

Jack: Then the Joker's like Tyler Durden or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Isn't he?

Jack: That would prove way more that he's inside Batman's head. Yes, because it's Just a concept. There's no Joker. It's just Batman arguing. Batman sets up crime.

Cristina: Yes. This whole movie of Joker's beginning was just Batman having a dream about Joker's beginning.

Jack: Why would Batman even question where he came from? It's so interesting. I wonder. Like, there's too many iterations of that. Like the whole ability that comic book series have to reinvent the beginnings, like origin stories completely change. Usually if. Let's say you take a book. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the book becomes popular and then you make a movie from the book and the movie is only based on the book and you change the beginning and you change the ending. And, like, the origin is different and the ending is different. People will lose their f****** s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You do that to a comic book, nobody gives a.

Cristina: Because no one's read the comic book. Well, I guess now everyone. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: No, because comic book people are already used to the consistent change. New origin, doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Doesn't matter. Yeah.

Jack: Book people are snobby douchebags who think they're better than the rest of society.

Cristina: Oh, comic book people.

Jack: And like, I'm a book person, but I snobby. No. Because I understand that this is somebody's vision. What the f*** does my opinion have to do with somebody else's creativity?

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: The same. My Little Mermaid. F****** don't watch it then.

Cristina: Yeah. You're probably too old to be watching that anyway.

Jack: There's probably a bunch of, like, older dudes.

Cristina: I don't. Yes.

Jack: This ain't My Little Mermaid. Because you wanted to, like, jerk off to a f****** half fish white girl and now she's black and you're like, well, I'm a racist. I can't jerk off to a half fish black girl. That's nasty.

Cristina: It's weird. The original Little Mermaid had a description besides being a little girl.

Jack: Right. Because she's like 12.

Cristina: She's super young.

Jack: Yeah. Meanwhile, like, I don't know, these 55 year old guys over here jerking off the fish girl.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know. This is America. Don't catch you slipping up. Because the pedos be jerking up. No, that's how they do it.

Cristina: Talking about Batman was way better than talking about what's happening with Little Mermaid.

Jack: Jerking off the Little Mermaid?

Cristina: No. Ah, that's so horrible. Well, you know what? She dies and she becomes an angel.

Jack: That happens.

Cristina: Yes. Or maybe not an angel. She becomes a flying spirit creature. I don't know. It doesn't say specifically what she is, but they exist in the sky. And if after 200 years or something, she could become a human.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. The com. The ending is a little complicated.

Jack: Wait, this is real?

Cristina: Yes. From the story? The written story.

Jack: You've read the Little Mermaid?

Cristina: Yes. It's ridiculous.

Jack: Wait, the movie is based on the book? Or is the book based on a movie?

Cristina: The book came first.

Jack: Really? For, like, factually, you know this to be true?

Cristina: Pretty sure. 80% sure.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Is pretty. Pretty sure. This is the book came first.

Jack: And then she becomes like a bird girl.

Cristina: Yeah. Some kind of flying creature thing. And some flying creature things. Say, like, you can. You could be here for 200 years, like this creature, and then you could become a human. Because her whole goal is to have a human soul. That's. What's the goal? Human soul.

Jack: So to clarify.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are a lot of crossing lines between the Little Mermaid and Pinochlo.

Cristina: That's not his name. No. Is that his name?

Jack: Pinocchio.

Cristina: Why isn't it Pinocchio?

Jack: Go ahead and spell his name out for me.

Cristina: No, I know how it's spelled, but Pinocchio.

Jack: Why would it be Pinocchio? There's a CH in there.

Cristina: No, it's. It's silent. The H is silent, I hope.

Jack: Is it. Is it an H? It's Pinocchio. Right?

Cristina: Yeah. No, that's how it's spelled. Yeah, Pinocchio.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. Broken a** English.

Cristina: I don't know if it's English.

Jack: It could be Italian. Was Geppetto Italian? Because there's also two Cs in his name, right?

Cristina: Geppetto? I have no idea.

Jack: Pinocchio. Or is it two Cs?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Is it Pinocchio? No, it's still. It's still the same.

Cristina: No, it's Pinocchio.

Jack: Whether It's Ch or two Cs, it's Pinocchio.

Cristina: Okay, what about Pinocchio? What about Pinocchio?

Jack: Oh, yeah, Pinocchio. Pinocchio is trying to get a real soul. Just like Little Mermaid. They're both, like, trying to get souls, except one is a weird haunted puppet thing and the other one is a siren story.

Cristina: I'm sure it's creepy, but her story. Yeah, they live. Mermaids live a super long time, like 200 years or whatever. And then they turn into seafoam, and then they live like that forever.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: So I guess that's why.

Jack: Unless they get a soul.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they're sirens. She's a siren, bro. Little Mermaid is a siren.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She's not a mermaid. There's no mermaids. They're sirens. They're trying to, like, suck a soul out.

Cristina: Well, they don't. Their goal isn't to suck us all out. That's just hers.

Jack: How you gonna get a soul, specifically? She has to kill somebody, right?

Cristina: Yeah. She was supposed to kill the person.

Jack: She loved to get their soul?

Cristina: No, to. I don't remember the story. Oh, man, I'm forgetting. Yeah, I guess to get her back her tail. Actually, I think it was because she messed up. She was supposed to make him fall in love with her, and she fell.

Jack: In love with him.

Cristina: Well, she. Yeah, she already loved him. And she was supposed to make him fall in love with her to become human, but that didn't work out. He fell in love with someone else who he thought saved his life, which it was really her.

Jack: But why does having your life saved equal falling in love?

Cristina: I don't know. He just did. He just automatically was like, I'm in love with.

Jack: But, like, her plan was, I saved him so he'll fall in love with me.

Cristina: But he doesn't know that she saved him.

Jack: No. Well, this is my point. In this world, for whatever reason, everybody concludes life saving equals falling in love. The Little Mermaid was like, I'll save his life. He'll fall in love.

Cristina: No, I don't think that was her. She. When she saved him, she just, out of love, saved him. It wasn't out of, like.

Jack: It wasn't like, he'll. He'll know. Fall in love. And then he's like, she saves me. I' ma fall in love.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And it's like, everybody, for whatever reason, equates being saved with falling in love.

Cristina: No, I don't think so. Well, just him for him, I guess.

Jack: So the Little Mermaid didn't. Didn't do that.

Cristina: No. And she was much younger than him. I think he saw her as his little sister. And he was going to. He was going to marry her. But he's like, oh, but if I see this other girl who saved me, I will marry her instead. And he did that. So she was so close, I guess. Oh, but she couldn't talk. That's also a big problem. They took away her voice, and every time she walks, it feels like she's stepping on glass.

Jack: What the f***?

Cristina: Yes. And she dances a lot because she can't vocalize, so she dances instead. So her feet are all bloody. I don't know if anyone even noticed her feet. No. One complains or are concerned. Yes.

Jack: Is there a trail of blood?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know.

Jack: Does it feel? Or is it like she's really being stabbed by invisible glass? It only stabs her.

Cristina: I'm not sure.

Jack: Because it could just feel like.

Cristina: It could just feel like it. I feel like they described blood, though. But maybe she has it covered up in something, like, so like a bandage or something.

Jack: Or it's in her head.

Cristina: Or it's in her head. Yeah. No one notices.

Jack: Like she's just metaphorically seeing trails of blood.

Cristina: Yeah, could be.

Jack: Yes, the blood. So I don't know. She sounds kind of like a siren anyways. She's trying to get a soul.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She wants a human soul.

Cristina: So that she can die.

Jack: So she can live.

Cristina: No, die.

Jack: You need a human. What?

Cristina: Because if you become. If you're a mermaid and you become foam, you stay a foam forever. You're alive forever as a foam.

Jack: What the f*** is the difference between being foam and being dead?

Cristina: You wait. With the human soul. You get to heaven, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: The soul goes to heaven. Yeah, you don't.

Cristina: But you don't stay as a foam forever. You die. You get to die.

Jack: Isn't foam them dying?

Cristina: No, because they still there. They're still there as foam.

Jack: Like their atoms are. But are they, like, consciously.

Cristina: They might be consciously foam.

Jack: So you could talk to this foam.

Cristina: Probably, and it's like, please kill me.

Jack: But you can't because I'm everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Spread out evenly across us.

Cristina: Yep. So, yeah, interesting.

Jack: Reminds me of the flaming bush.

Cristina: The flaming bush?

Jack: Yeah. Like, if you tried to kill the flaming bush, you wouldn't do anything. You could throw some water on it.

Cristina: But, like, what flaming bush are you talking about?

Jack: The f****** one that Moses spoke to.

Cristina: Oh, wasn't Moses. Why are you trying to throw out. I mean, push it. What?

Jack: I don't know. It's like a. It's like a weird energy thing you can talk to but isn't, like, really there.

Cristina: How do you know it's not there?

Jack: I mean, how do you know the foam is there or isn't there? When you talk to the foam or when you talk to the fire, it's like, yeah, Imma kill you, so I'm gonna stab you or something. It's like, well, it didn't do anything. Stab the fire.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess fire's fine, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: You can't kill it.

Cristina: You can't kill fire water on it.

Jack: But it wasn't like hot Fire either. It's just like, weird fire. Like the foam, I guess you could put it in, like a vacuum or something, suck up the foam, but you.

Cristina: Still don't get rid of it.

Jack: Could you mix two different foams together and make one foam mermaid thing?

Cristina: I don't think so. It's probably all jumbled up foam of different.

Jack: Yeah. So it's like death. Or not death.

Cristina: Whatever. Yeah.

Jack: Weird mermaid body thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Wants to be foam forever.

Jack: Mermaid foam. And that's why Batman is what he is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because Pinocchio.

Cristina: Pinocchio.

Jack: Pinocchio and the Little Mermaid. What's her name? Ariella. Arielle.

Cristina: Ariel.

Jack: Ariella. Her name is Ariola.

Cristina: No, Ariel.

Jack: Ariola. So Pinocchio and Ariola are both trying to get a human soul, along with Chucky and all the other sirens.

Cristina: Well, Pinocchio wants to be a real boy, not just have a soul.

Jack: What is the difference?

Cristina: He wants bones.

Jack: He wants fleshiness.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I am wood.

Cristina: He wants stronger, the meaty parts. She wants the spiritual.

Jack: But he wants to be a real boy. That includes the soul. That's right.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. That is part of it, actually.

Jack: Yeah. Part of his equation.

Cristina: Yeah. That would suck if they just give him somebody. Yeah.

Jack: You got, like, a body, but, like. Look, we're gonna. Pinocchio, we figured it out. Here's you. We're gonna do some kind of alchemy thing. We're gonna move you over there, but when you're over there, you'll be conscious and stuff. But, like, the body's not going to move because we don't know how to. How to make a soul. You know, like, the part that powers the body, that's not going to be there. So you can have a body to be real.

Cristina: Maybe it's like Frankenstein. What happened to him? He didn't have a soul.

Jack: That's weird. Frankenstein is like a f******.

Cristina: Or did he have a soul that was like pieces of the people he was made of?

Jack: He's. In the case of Frankenstein, we're assuming science is right and the soul is just not a thing.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: At least not the ethereal soul.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Soul is like a collection of his consciousness.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if you're aware, then boom. Soul.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like. So we're assuming science is correct there, but it's possible that Frankenstein is a homunculus. He's like a creature brought back to life without us all. If a soul is real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Frankenstein might not have one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or I guess the monster. Because Frankenstein is the doctor.

Cristina: The monster. The monster is Frankenstein Junior. Okay.

Jack: We call him Frankenstein. We should call him. It doesn't. Like it's Frankenstein's monster named Frankenstein from this day forward.

Cristina: What happened?

Jack: It's Frankenstein's monster that we will call Frankenstein forever. Yeah, because this makes sense to keep like the month. No, it's whatever, dude.

Cristina: We know Frankenstein junior.

Jack: No, it's not.

Cristina: Yes, it is.

Jack: Frankenstein is his last name. So his name was like Jimmy Frankenstein or something.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Then I guess his name should be Frankenstein Gonzalez Frankenstein. Why would his last. His first name is the last name.

Jack: No, there's people named Gonzalez.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, his name is Joselito Frankenstein.

Cristina: The doctor you talking about? Okay, okay.

Jack: He was born Joselito Frankenstein.

Cristina: Are you sure it's not Frankenstein Frankenstein?

Jack: I mean, what, like Mario Mario?

Cristina: Yes, his name is Frankenstein Frankenstein and his son is Frankenstein Frankenstein junior.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: Do Mario and Wario share parents?

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: Are they on same on the father's side or the mother's side?

Cristina: They're not related.

Jack: They're cousins.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Wario and Mario.

Cristina: They're cousins.

Jack: They're cousins.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I had no idea.

Jack: Yeah. And like, is Wario's like father the brother of Mario's father, and thus it's Wario, Mario and Luigi Mario and Mario Mario. Or is it like Wario's mom is different and there's a result.

Cristina: I hope they're all last name is Mario. That would mean their fathers are brothers.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Awesome.

Jack: But like, we don't crap about their parents.

Cristina: Is the other one related to Waluigi? Yeah, whatever his name is.

Jack: I should have just called him Lario the way people thought he was named.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Lario.

Cristina: Lario. That's why I thought Wario Lario Waluigi.

Jack: La Luigi Waluigi Mario Luigi Wario Waluigi.

Cristina: So wrong. So wrong.

Jack: Should have just been Lario, bro. Yeah, Wario. No. How do you say. How do you get it to sound like Luigi Luigi Luigi Muigi Ruigi, Ruigi.

Cristina: Juigi sounds Maybe not. Oh, Luigi's a hard one.

Jack: Batman has to get rid of all these people.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we still don't know what the f*** Thomas Wayne did.

Cristina: I understand how Thomas Wayne has to do with these people.

Jack: Pinocchio wants a soul and a real body.

Cristina: He wants a lot of stuff Areola wants. We put him into the Frankenstein body.

Jack: Yeah. What? Just put. What? You just put a wooden body inside of it? Yeah, he's already chopped up. It's easy. Cut one of those stitches open Dig a hole, put. You could. I mean, I guess you could make like a transformer made of me or some. Not a transformer, but like a. Like a robot.

Cristina: Let's just strap him on his body. There's just two people, but we just pretend it's one.

Jack: No, I'm thinking like, you could make this work. You can shove the entire body of Pinocho inside of the Frankenstein body and try to jump start it as one. So they somehow the consciousness is fused.

Cristina: And Little Mermaid has to go in there somehow.

Jack: Well, no, because Little Mermaid and Pinocchio. Areola and Pinocchio are both looking for a soul.

Cristina: Well, maybe with this weird thing we're making.

Jack: Thomas Wayne has the money for the soul. That's. That's his purpose here.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We don't know. Well, I guess Bruce Wayne, because Thomas Wayne died going down f****** Crime Alley, of all places. Like you went down.

Cristina: It was named after it cannot.

Jack: There's no way. Dude, why.

Cristina: Why would it be Crime? Why?

Jack: Because he's a f****** idiot.

Cristina: Maybe it wasn't. Are you sure you think his death.

Jack: Made it Crime Alley?

Cristina: Yes, it's a huge crime for the whole city because he was an important man.

Jack: How is he important?

Cristina: I don't know. Because he's rich and he was helping the city. Like his son, who's rich and is helping the city somehow.

Jack: Does Batman help the city any way other than dressing up like a freaking.

Cristina: I mean, Bruce Wayne, not Batman.

Jack: Here's the man. This is so crazy. Batman's crazy.

Cristina: Yes, but Bruce Wayne, though, is helping the city with his money. I think.

Jack: Probably. But like, I'm over that. I'm more amazed by the fact that this dude dresses up like a giant bat.

Cristina: He does not dress like a giant bat. There's no bat that you've ever seen that look like that.

Jack: Well, that's what I'm saying. He dresses like a giant. Well, then what the f*** is he dressing like?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: He calls himself Batman. But he doesn't.

Cristina: But that's not a bat suit.

Jack: No, it's like a. He looks like the Mothman sort of. Right? Maybe.

Cristina: I don't know. It reminds me of an umbrella.

Jack: By the way, that movie is creepy. The Mothman prophecy, huh?

Cristina: Is the Mothman in it?

Jack: Yeah, you don't really. It's. It's like a psychological.

Cristina: You said Nicolas Cage was in that one. Or am I confusing that somewhere with something else?

Jack: No, it's Richard Gere.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Probably did not see that.

Jack: Great movie, though. Mothman prophecy. And Blair Witch Project are two old movies that you don't see the bad guy necessarily. You hear about them a lot.

Cristina: Mothman, the bad guy.

Jack: It's an arc. It's hard to say there's a bad guy. There's more of weird s*** happens and you don't know how to explain it. And it's eerie and.

Cristina: And you know something bad is gonna happen.

Jack: Yeah. Some lady told the. Like, she could tell the future based on a dream and it didn't happen. Or that happened often. Like, people would have premonition or something of something bad. You know, like moths do or whatever people superstitions about moths have and s***.

Cristina: Okay. But they would see this Mothman and then that's. The premonition will happen.

Jack: Yeah, I. Something would always. Something bad would always follow seeing the Mothman.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So people thought you. You know, you saw.

Cristina: I don't think he's Batman, though.

Jack: The Mothman might be Batman.

Cristina: I think he's. Don't people think he's an alien?

Jack: The Mothman's an alien?

Cristina: Yeah. Why do you think I think that's what people think he is. He's an alien.

Jack: Could be. I mean, but everybody thinks everything's an alien. People think Bigfoot's an alien.

Cristina: Bigfoot might be an alien. Yes, Everything is an alien. Okay. Which in. In a way. We also talked about how everything was a fairy. So maybe Bigfoot is a fairy and so is Mothman.

Jack: And maybe fairies are just aliens that came before us. Yeah. Yes, it's quite possible.

Cristina: Aliens came. We saw them as fairies. No, they were gods first.

Jack: We kept demoting them as we saw that they weren't, like, infinitely powerful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Until they have power we don't understand. So they equal God. And then it's like, wait, but he doesn't know what's in my head. So he doesn't know everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you know, the more you demigod now and then they're like, but like, another guy can kill you. Just like a thing with powers at this point.

Cristina: Now you're a fairy.

Jack: Now you're a fairy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just kept getting demoted. Eventually. This is your f****** different type of thing. But you're like me.

Cristina: And then you became an alien in the end.

Jack: Yeah. Science bred you. The end. It went all the way until the magic was gone and it was just science. You just evolved like the rest of us. And eventually we'll be there, and then.

Cristina: So did we just end up like. Is that what it was in the beginning, though? Was it a science? Was it an alien? First and then we thought it was magic. But then we realized the truth. Like it is an alien.

Jack: Could be like, I don't know. Maybe it's possible. That being said, that was Thomas wayne's job. Area 51.

Cristina: Area 50. How do you become a billionaire with Area 51?

Jack: Money. They pay you. The government.

Cristina: All those weapons involved, I guess, of mass destruction.

Jack: Alien weapons of mass destruction. Planet destroying weapons. We confiscated the weapons from all the aliens that we caught somehow.

Cristina: Is Gotham anywhere near that area?

Jack: Gotham is New York City. So no.

Cristina: No. Okay, so how. No, I don't think so.

Jack: That's weird, right? Because Metropolis is like Los Angeles or some s***. Then Gotham is New York.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bludhaven is like Newark. You know, it's based on real s***. But then Marvel is just in real place. Like Spider man is just from Queens.

Cristina: Yeah, they're all like that in Marvel.

Jack: Yeah, everybody's from somewhere real.

Cristina: Which came first, Marvel or dc?

Jack: Good question. I would say dc, maybe. It's probably Superman.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And they decided to pick fictional places first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What a bad decision.

Jack: I do, on the other hand, think the Green Hornet came before all of them.

Cristina: What is he, dc?

Jack: I don't think he's either. He's his own. Oh, Green Hornet comics. I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He comes from a thing where stuff happens. There are superheroes and people who dress up. He was a detective.

Cristina: He's a detective. That's really boring.

Jack: Yeah, well, Batman's detecting isn't that boring.

Cristina: Because he's not just a detective. He also beats people up.

Jack: He murders people, kicks them off of buildings.

Cristina: He doesn't murder him. He has technology that picks up people from falling to their deaths, I guess. And when he break someone's neck, he also has technology to fix those necks, I'm assuming.

Jack: So he saves the dead. He has an army of zombies out there. Don't even realize.

Cristina: Yeah, they don't. As long as they continue living like everything's normal. Everything's normal. Until one day someone bites someone and then.

Jack: Why would it. I don't think it's contagious like that. It's just dead people who he brought back to life with science.

Cristina: Yeah. Isn't there a dead person in that? Like a villain?

Jack: Yeah. His name is Dumesay. No, Solomon Grundy.

Cristina: There you go.

Jack: Yeah, he's a zombie.

Cristina: Did Batman bring him back to life?

Jack: I think Ra's Algol did it.

Cristina: Oh, well, Batman has that technology. Isn't he friends with Roz?

Jack: I think he's a member of the F****** League of Assassins or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He might know that he's supposed to marry Falia.

Cristina: Falia?

Jack: Yeah, Ra's his daughter.

Cristina: Oh, he never does, but that is.

Jack: I know. I think he. At some point. I'm not sure, maybe at some point. I do think maybe some reality, some version of this to get married.

Cristina: Okay. But he gets the power to bring people back to death through him. So there you go.

Jack: Back to death for days.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So he murders people with his power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why can't I just eat them to death?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: That's power to bring people back to death.

Cristina: And he wastes it all the time. Maybe he tries not to murder them, but it happens.

Jack: Powers are too strong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He has to fight his powers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He needs Xavier to help him control murdering people.

Cristina: Who's Xavier? Oh, from X Men.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He can't do that, though.

Jack: My powers of just murdering people are out of control.

Cristina: Yeah. So he has that power. And he probably shares it with Superman. Because I'm sure Superman by accident, always is killing people.

Jack: Superman is like the Avengers, bro. They level a city in the middle of a fight. And it's like you killed more people than you were trying to save. Should have just let that alien take over.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, super. But Superman, by accident, is destroying a city. He. Like, how does he control anything?

Jack: That's a good question. Because, like, how does he not laser beam a building in half?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. It's nuts.

Cristina: He has that thing. He can bring people back.

Jack: What thing? Like, just his power of.

Cristina: No, he has Batman's thing. Batman gives it to him, too. Whatever that power is.

Jack: You said the power to bring people to death.

Cristina: To life.

Jack: But you said to death.

Cristina: I didn't mean to. That. To life.

Jack: The power of his ability to murder effectively while trying not to.

Cristina: Yes, but no. From Roz. Roz? Yes.

Jack: What the f*** did Roz do beforehand? What does anybody in this world do? Okay, so everybody's a criminal with Bruce Wayne. And Bruce Wayne's earned his money from a bunch of criminals. But criminals do. Did what? Money laundering.

Cristina: All of them did money laundering. I don't know.

Jack: Don't they rob banks like Two Face does? Yeah, I mean, I guess a penguin does, too. A lot of them do. So does the Joker. There's a lot of bank robbing. Why does. Why are there banks?

Cristina: Robbing banks?

Jack: Why are there banks in Gotham?

Cristina: No, because there's, like, so much criminals. So are they just stealing each other's money?

Jack: Right. Because that bank is probably owned by criminal.

Cristina: Yeah. So no. What?

Jack: And how did Gotham get so bad? They had to like enclose it and not like like now this is a prison. The whole city, the whole city now is a prison.

Cristina: I don't know. Batman fever.

Jack: And how do criminals not easily just leave Gotham? Like, yeah, they close it up. But there's like water.

Cristina: There's water. I don't know.

Jack: They use the water to get out.

Cristina: Because they don't want to leave. They love the place. The place turns them into criminals.

Jack: So why isn't Batman a criminal?

Cristina: He is a criminal.

Jack: He's the most criminal criminal. He's murdering people.

Cristina: Murdering people all the time. Yes. So there you go.

Jack: What does f****** Thomas Lane do? There's no f****** clues, man.

Cristina: He is. He.

Jack: Alfred has always been there.

Cristina: So he would know.

Jack: He would know.

Cristina: I don't know. He's like those elves that he gathered a bunch of socks and money happy.

Jack: Steal underwear, something Than money.

Cristina: Steal underwear.

Jack: Yeah. That was soft gnomes.

Cristina: Oh. Oh yeah. That's what they're called. Yes. Maybe that's how he made his fortune.

Jack: Steal underwear, something Money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Obviously the middle part is Sell it.

Cristina: No. I don't know. Because there's no way he would have been a billionaire if he just sold it.

Jack: Maybe he wasn't selling his own, but he had a bunch of hookers. Or not hookers, but like a bunch of females who'd. Yeah.

Cristina: Their underwear.

Jack: Like he started a Only Fans ring with a bunch of women that would randomly perform for his Only Fans channel. And he would get money from them. But then he'd also sell everything they wore in all of them for dirty other guys to buy. And he built his fortune. Only fans.

Cristina: I don't know. Can you build your fortune off of OnlyFans?

Jack: Maybe. Depends how many underwear maybe. Depends how many people are watching. I bet his Onlyfans is the best Only fans.

Cristina: It is the best Only fans.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. That can't be right.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. But I checked it anyway and he's a doctor.

Jack: I guess he did not become a billionaire being a doctor though.

Cristina: No. He got it from his father being a doctor. His dad wasn't a doctor. His doctor. His dad wasn't. I don't know what his dad was a business guy. He did business things.

Jack: Business. So sad. We're back where we started. It wasn't Thomas Wayne who was the business guy.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He was a doctor who inherited business guy money.

Cristina: Yes. And then he also invested vested that Business guy, money into businesses.

Jack: Maybe his dad was an investor.

Cristina: Yeah, probably. Yeah. Of technology. Probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: But that's f****** holes for days because Batman is like 80s so. Well if his father.

Cristina: Ancient technology.

Jack: We're talking like pretty old technology. We're talking like his, his father probably owned a pretty substantial cornfield where he employed black people for really long technology. Like that's how long ago we're talking.

Cristina: And they call that technology? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know man. Old west type of s***.

Cristina: I don't know. Windmills, he early 1900s.

Jack: Windmills create electricity. Not even create electricity, but you know, power places.

Cristina: Yeah, that's technology.

Jack: That's anything is technology.

Cristina: There you go.

Jack: Yeah, glasses are technology. Glasses, Glasses are technology. Oh, it's not electric technology.

Cristina: Yeah, well maybe he was a glasses person, I don't know. But yeah. So the dad of the dad is a business person.

Jack: Maybe he inherited his business money from his dad who was the business guy.

Cristina: No way. Yes.

Jack: Maybe it's a long lineage of. We don't know where this came from, but we all have had it.

Cristina: Yes, but Wayne's dad didn't make the billions from the money he, he was given.

Jack: So Wayne's dad wasn't a billionaire, he just inherited a lot of money.

Cristina: He inherit.

Jack: Yeah, but not billions.

Cristina: No, he turned it into billions.

Jack: And then Bruce Wayne did more with it and made more. Mega billion. Trillion.

Cristina: Google, don't they call him a billionaire? So he didn't do much.

Jack: Okay, what if he inherited like 3 billion? But now he has 300 billion.

Cristina: He's still a billionaire.

Jack: He did a lot.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. Oh, they don't tell us. So how are we supposed to know?

Jack: And there's another thing. I was a while ago checking out the whole rich thing, right, so you could be like a millionaire. You could have $3 million and you're still just a millionaire. But you have to pass the 10 million dollar mark to be a multi millionaire.

Cristina: Oh, then is he a multi billionaire?

Jack: Probably. But my point is like isn't 2 million already multi? Like how are we, where are we drawing the line here and why?

Cristina: I don't know, you have to.

Jack: I don't know why we decided 10. I don't know, just 10. You gotta have more than 10 and then it's multi. So if we go backwards, right?

Jack: There's billion and like you're multi billionaire. You go down, you're multi millionaire and you get to the hundred thousand. You're a multi what?

Cristina: Thousandaire.

Jack: You're thousandaire why don't we say people are thousandaire?

Cristina: Because that's sad. I don't know.

Jack: It probably made sense a long time ago.

Cristina: Thousand.

Jack: He's a thousandaire.

Cristina: No, they would just say he's middle class.

Jack: In like 1800s.

Cristina: Yeah. What did they say that?

Jack: No, that's way upper class. Thousands. A hundred thousand in the 1800s.

Cristina: Million in the upper class back then.

Jack: This is what I mean. You're not middle class back then. A hundred thousand made you upper class. You were rich. So why weren't you like a thousandaire? You thousandaire? No, he's rich.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: You're rich, you are poor.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You are in poverty.

Cristina: Is that the same?

Jack: I guess. I don't know. People use them differently. You are lower class, you are middle class. You are upper middle class. You are upper class, you are rich, you are millionaire, you are billionaire, you are trillionaire, so on, so forth. The only trillionaire, I believe, are the mega criminals. And the Queen.

Cristina: Yes, she. Yeah. And Batman, probably.

Jack: And Batman, who runs the greatest only fans of all time.

Cristina: We don't know if Batman is the Queen.

Jack: What if Batman is the creator of Onlyfans and he profits off of everybody's sale of their body? And so Bruce Wayne's biggest contribution to the world is OnlyFans. And also his most price earning, like his most financial earner, is also onlyfans because p*** sells.

Cristina: Yes. But does he look like a bat? I'm still confused by that look. Like the bat symbol. But you've never seen a bat that looks like that.

Jack: No, he's some kind of other thing. But also, the flip here is Pinocchio wants to be a real boy.

Cristina: Yes. And we're stuffing him into Frankenstein.

Jack: And we're stuffing him into Frankenstein. Arreola.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Wants to be real girl.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or she wants, like, a human soul.

Cristina: Yes. And we gotta feed her a heart.

Jack: Bruce Wayne wants to. Yes, definitely. That's totally how that works. Like, really, sirens just rip out hearts or whatever. And Bruce Wayne wants to be a real bat, except he has no concept of what a bat really is.

Cristina: He has, like a child's drawing of a bat.

Jack: Well, no. He has that one vivid, vivid, way incoherent, single thought of bats. Of bats.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that's flying. But no one sees that.

Jack: Except him.

Cristina: Except him.

Jack: He modeled the bat. He is after these fictional bats.

Cristina: In his head he say, I am Batman. Or did someone say, hey, that's that guy. We should call him Batman.

Jack: I am the dark, I am the night.

Cristina: Like his symbol. You can say is a bat symbol. But I'm not. I'm saying it's not a bat.

Jack: It is a bat. The bat, when it spreads its wings, kind of looks like that.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. But it could be anything.

Jack: That's a bat.

Cristina: Is it that it's a bat. Mmm. Whatever. And he only thinks about bats.

Jack: He only thinks about bats. The Joker proves this by putting a machine on Batman.

Cristina: That was the Joker?

Jack: No, it was Riddler. The Riddler tricked Bruce Wayne. Who's. You're so. Also man. You guys are just real mega geniuses who just super stupid at the same time. Your dad died going down crime alley. You, Batman, with a secret of being Batman, show up here as Bruce Wayne, your alter ego, and you go into a machine meant to read your f****** mind. And all that machine sees is bats. Maybe, maybe.

Cristina: Like did he think that that's what the machine. That wasn't what he was told.

Jack: I think so. I think he knew exactly what the machine did.

Cristina: No, I think that it was supposed to put you in dreams or something. It was something supposed to show you.

Jack: Your dreams or something.

Cristina: Or something. Yeah. And it's like, bro, you should know your dreams are bats.

Jack: Not just like, how do you know it's not gonna show them that you're Batman?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And like, you got lucky that it for whatever reason, all it did was show them a bunch of f****** bats. Out of context.

Cristina: Like, who would not look at that and be like, that's gotta be Batman.

Jack: Like, look, there's a f****** guy out there who dresses like he doesn't look like a bat. But look, he dresses and calls himself a Batman. He only comes out at night. He's always in black. And f****** Bruce Wayne only sees bats in his. There's no other thought.

Cristina: It's zero so insane. If he wasn't Batman.

Jack: Yes, that's my point. Like, would. You're a f****** idiot for jumping in that machine. Yeah, like, how much crazier are you than Batman if Batman dresses up like a bat, goes around kicking people off buildings saying he's justice and claiming he's the night.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're the one who only thinks of bats. No other thought. You go around your day about your day with just.

Cristina: Just plagued.

Jack: Yeah, just bats in the Just plague. Just plagued by thoughts of bats at all times.

Cristina: Maybe Bruce Wayne could say, like, I recently got beat up by Batman or something.

Jack: Now I'm just always.

Cristina: Now I'm scarred by bats. He's just lying. He should have lied and Made Batman look like the bad guy.

Jack: Also. Okay, this is a weird one, right? Because Batman doesn't have any powers.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But some versions of Batman, he does. No.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like, there's Pats. Wherever the f*** he goes.

Cristina: There's what?

Jack: Bats? And it's like, do you. Do you have a power, bro? Do you talk to bats?

Cristina: I don't. He probably just list them out.

Jack: Are they hidden in his suit, like a magic trick?

Cristina: Yeah, just. He's got. Yeah, he's a magician. He got the trick from that guy you said. I always forget his name.

Jack: Joker.

Cristina: Whatever. Yes.

Jack: Seriously. Here's a bat.

Cristina: Yes. He will. Teach him that, right? He's magical. I don't even know. I feel like he sounds magical.

Jack: Have. I don't know.

Cristina: He showed him the tricks of bringing people back to life and just bats, I guess.

Jack: Man. I don't know what the deal with that is. He'll be, like, fighting, and then bats show up. Or he's gonna disappear in a swarm of bats, show up, and surround him. And then the bats spread out, and he's not there. And it's like, are you vampire, bro?

Cristina: He's a vampire.

Jack: Vampire.

Cristina: In that reality, he's a vampire.

Jack: Yo. It's crazy. Obviously. Like, he probably just walked away. But, like, that's the question, dude, because he was standing there, and then bats show up. It's not like he blew up into a cloud of bats, but, like, weird. Weird.

Cristina: He's a billionaire.

Jack: Those. So those are robots?

Cristina: No, he's just got. Oh, yes.

Jack: Those are bat bots.

Cristina: Bat bots? Yep. He's just got billions of bat bots.

Jack: Just watching the whole city.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And we know in the movies, he hacked into the city, everybody's phone, everybody's. Everything. He hacked into everything.

Cristina: He's got bad bots.

Jack: You got bad bots. Cameras everywhere.

Cristina: Bats aren't real.

Jack: Bats aren't real.

Cristina: They're just robots. He's my Batman.

Jack: Birds are probably real. No, he probably just stole the idea from birds. And it's like, I could do that with bats.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bat bots.

Cristina: Batbots. That's it.

Jack: Of course. We're idiots. Why would we think there's a flying mammal?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's so stupid.

Cristina: Well, then what was in his dream? What was in his mind? If those aren't really bats?

Jack: No, because bats aren't real. He had a thought, which was one day, he's obsessed.

Cristina: He created the creature.

Jack: How did Steve Jobs come up with the ipod? And then the ipod led to the iPhone.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know? You know.

Cristina: But that's not. I don't know. But music has always been around. I don't know.

Jack: And like, he started on, like, a computer. He was like, imma make the thing. I only got one vision. So if you. If one day Steve Jobs is like, I got a secret identity. Right now I'm just a hippie. You'll never know who I really am. And then the Riddler tricks Steve Jobs to go into this machine. All he sees is, like, a computer screen. He's like, this must be the f****** billionaire Steve Jobs. Because there's a. There's a screen with things on it that aren't.

Cristina: With an apple symbol. Yeah.

Jack: Like, it must be Steve Jobs. This hippie must be Steve Jobs. And so this is the story of Batman, which is like, in sea Bats. In fact, when the Riddler saw all those bats, he's like, what the f*** is this? It looks like a rat with wings. How stupid. How stupid? Look at his imagination. He's probably making fun. How stupid. Look, his imagination. Rats with wings. Is he a child?

Cristina: But he calls himself Batman. So no one thought what bat was in Batman?

Jack: No, they're like, it's f****** crazy guy.

Cristina: Like, they're like, from like, baseball bat.

Jack: Yeah. They're thinking, like, he thinks he's a black baseball bat or some. With wings. It's a flying baseball bat. Look how stupid. And then Bruce Wayne has flying rats. That's why they didn't connect the dots, because it's like a flying rat. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah, they don't. They don't call it a bat. They don't know that's a bat yet.

Cristina: I rather imagine that he has one magical trick which is just having bats appear out of nowhere.

Jack: No, I think he has bat tech.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: And those are all bat bots. And he summons a swarm of bat bots with AI controlled by, like, a suit or something. Or maybe it's Alfred somewhere. What the. Lucius controlling it from, like, the hacking place that they do hacking? Yeah, like, whatever.

Cristina: But then why a cave? Bats live in caves. Or I guess he made that up.

Jack: Maybe he's. Yeah, he's obsessed with, like, this concept. Really? Really.

Cristina: So he made up the concept that Bath l. Caves.

Jack: Yeah. He's saying bats live in caves outside. So Because. Because my narrative plays out this way.

Cristina: Okay. Everything we know about bats is because he made it up.

Jack: Yeah. First there was Superman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In dc.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then shortly thereafter, Batman was invented. And after that, many years later, when we invented the technology, bats were invented. To be in reality. Okay, so, like, before our time, there were probably no bats.

Cristina: Of course. No bats.

Jack: Bats have only recently been around, but we've been lied to about bats. All that. Have you ever seen a bat?

Cristina: Personally, I think so. Not like close up.

Jack: So you can't prove it's a robot.

Cristina: No, I can't.

Jack: It just looks like a flying rat.

Cristina: Yeah, well, I don't even know.

Jack: It was. So it's too fast and, like, erratic, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you can't focus. It moves in such a way that you can't see it. Be a robot. Of course, because it's a robot.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, yes.

Jack: Since works.

Cristina: I'd rather he be a magician that does magic with bats. He just turns things into bats.

Jack: That's not a man. I mean, I guess if you. David. Playing it or whatever the. And like, here's me fighting you on a roof.

Cristina: They tie him up in rope and then he just turns the rope into bats or something when he, like, rips it apart.

Jack: Fair.

Cristina: Just rip. And then, you know, bats come out.

Jack: Like, how'd you do that? Yeah, it's like, wait till I show you the next one. Then he just grabs a bottle and eats it.

Cristina: Yeah, and then he spits out of that.

Jack: Yeah, he's exactly. He's like, watch. And he just eats a piece of glass. And that comes out of his mouth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, I have. I'm like David Blaine. I could do everything he does, except the ending result is always a bat. Yes, it's always bad.

Cristina: David Blaine is not a magician.

Jack: I mean, he's. No, he isn't magician. He just has a bunch of other lame f****** things he does.

Cristina: His magician stuff is just.

Jack: Look, I know I just beat you and I tied you up. I'm Batman, McKenna. I know, bro. I know you're Batman, doll. You wouldn't have done this otherwise. But watch, watch. Look at the rope around you. I'm gonna eat this bottle, bat. And now for my finale. Look at this giant nail. Here is my hand. I'm gonna put this nail through my hand. And then he starts putting the nail through his hand. And out the other side of his hand, a f****** bat flies out the criminals like, wow, he deserves to go to jail.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is impressive.

Cristina: So he shows off his hand. Like, look, there's nothing there but some blood.

Jack: Not even. Look, if I wipe it off, there's no more hole or anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How'd I do it? How do I do it? He's got them confused until the cops show up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like. Got him. Got him. Colonel, they're right here. I got them.

Cristina: They're very confused. Yeah.

Jack: They're plotting and everything, like. Yeah, yeah. They're getting arrested. She's like. This is impressive. Impressive.

Cristina: Has he shown the police his tricks? No.

Jack: They don't know how he catches them.

Cristina: No. His magic trick.

Jack: No, that's not what I mean. He doesn't show the police. The police doesn't know how Batman stops and subdues crime. Yeah. He just shows up and awesome with f****** magic trick has all their attentions.

Cristina: Awesome. Yes. I hope that. Why is there a version? There's probably a version. We made that a version now.

Jack: Yes. This is new Batman.

Cristina: This is the new Batman.

Jack: We're gonna do everything we can to buy the rights for one film and a comic book series.

Cristina: To do comic books.

Jack: We do both.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A series of graphic novels and a television animated show and a live action television show, all based on batgician Bagician.

Cristina: The Batition.

Jack: The bagician.

Cristina: Won't we be sued because it's just Batman, but he does magic.

Jack: We're not gonna be sued. We're gonna buy the rights to Batman to bat Jason.

Cristina: Okay. We can't look like Batman.

Jack: He's gonna look exactly Batman. It is Batman. It's just exactly the origin story and everything. Thomas Wayne and everything.

Cristina: We didn't even change the names. No, it's all the same.

Jack: Bruce Wayne, the bad dish.

Cristina: We're gonna. They're not gonna have a problem with that.

Jack: Nope. Because we're gonna get the rights.

Cristina: How are they gonna let us get the rights?

Jack: We buy. We pay money. They all. Everybody reacts to money.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how people have made different versions of Batman.

Cristina: That's how we're gonna do it. Okay.

Jack: That's how it goes. So you do Batman.

Cristina: That's me.

Jack: Also the bad gician.

Cristina: The magician.

Jack: Anyways, Anyways. So conclusion. You guys now know the true story about Batman. He runs an only fans. That's where he gets his money. He invented only fans. And he does magic tricks to catch all the criminals and, like, trick them until the cops show up. And also he wants. His one true vision is to become a bat. And also, bats don't exist because he made them up. And Little mermaid wants a soul. He likes to show off magic. The mermaid wants a soul. And we got to stuff Pinocho into Frankenstein so that he could wear a meat suit.

Cristina: Yeah. That's disturbing.

Jack: Yeah. What it was. There wasn't. I don't know what the. It was it might have been like a meat canyon cartoon or something where he, like, cut somebody and like, crawled in their body or something, I think.

Cristina: So was it Pinocchio that did that? Yeah, I feel like.

Jack: No, Pinocchio was like a demon of some sort.

Cristina: Yeah, but was he inside of someone?

Jack: No, I don't. Maybe it might have been. I don't know. It's been a while since Hunter was on this show. That was like three seasons ago. We gotta get Hunter back on the show. Get Hunter. I'm gonna see. Get Hunter Hancock to come back, talk about meat canyon and all that stuff, how it's blown up since. Since then. That'd be cool. Hunter's cool. Chill guy. Anyways, so if you guys like this conversation, which was absolutely absurd, but, you know, they're all absolutely absurd, you can find more of that on the official website greathoughts.info or on Spotify or Apple Podcasts or anywhere you get your podcast, pretty much.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show, which are all very important and great and fantastic. And find me on stereo.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah, Word of mouth. You know, the power of discussion. Tell people you know the true story behind Batman. Now this is the real story.

Cristina: This is. Yes, Replace the old version of Batman and everything you knew about him.

Jack: Yeah. Forget everything you know about Batman. Now this is Batman.

Cristina: What?

Jack: This is Batman. Who's Batman? Right. Because you forgot everything you know about Batman.

Cristina: Everything you know except for his name. Except for not calling him Batman, man.

Jack: That's an old Mitch Hedberg joke. Forget everything you know about burgers. Now here is a burger. What's that? He forgot everything he knew about burgers. It wasn't about burgers, though. I don't remember what the f***.

Cristina: What happened in SpongeBob.

Jack: It did.

Cristina: Something like that happened, but I forget.

Jack: He forgot how to make Krabby Patties.

Cristina: Yes. Because he had to remember how to run a restaurant.

Jack: Did I just cross spongebob with Mitch Head?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: Check out Mitch Hedberg. Shout out. Great comedian.

Cristina: Well, tell him we said hi.

Jack: Yeah, tell Mitch Hedberg, like, I mean, what's it called?

Cristina: Luigi board.

Jack: A Luigi board. Use a little full circle. We started with Mario and Full Circle. Use a Luigi board.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Use that Luigi to get to Mitch Hedberg on the other side of the ether.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. I mean, of course you've heard of a cugnugh fugot.

Cristina: Where have I heard of that?

Jack: You heard it in school. They taught you what a cugnugh fug it was?

Cristina: No, that's not a real word.

Jack: How do you know?

Cristina: None of that sounds familiar.

Jack: You're telling me that in no language cugnug fuggit is a real word?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like factually, you believe there's no combination of words in all of language that equates to kug nug fugit?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: It sounds like gibberish.

Jack: So does a bunch of other s*** that we don't understand.

Cristina: But you don't know what? That. That's not a word that you know what. What language is that?

Jack: Kugnug fugit is.

Cristina: What does it mean? Use it in a sentence.

Jack: You want me to use kugnug fugit in a sentence, huh?

Cristina: Well, first define it.

Jack: Kugnug fugit.

Cristina: The definition.

Jack: The definition of kugnug. F*** it. I don't know, man. I don't speak that language.

Cristina: And when have you heard of it?

Jack: I've heard it used repeatedly to insult me. It's an insult in some language.

Cristina: What language?

Jack: A language. I don't know every language. I couldn't tell you.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 145: Gods vs Death Note

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What constitutes something being godly? Must it be immortal? Omniscient? Have created the universe or reality? Been born of a god? And could any of these instances survive having their name written in the Death Note? The duo unpacks the definition of a god and puts them on a 1v1 with Light Yagami and his notorious Death Note

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Death Note
  • Gods of Death
  • Gods of Destruction
  • Zeno
  • Jehovah
  • Zeus
  • Odin
  • Advanced Aliens
  • Angels vs Demi-Gods
  • The Nothing
  • Omniscience
  • The Grim Reaper
  • Defining Godliness

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah, so scream at somebody.

Cristina: Scream.

Jack: That's all I gotta say.

Cristina: Scream about the show or just scream.

Jack: No, just scream. Don't know.

Cristina: Just scream and they'll know.

Jack: Don't know. You just run up to somebody and you go. And they'll be like, oh, right, I forgot to listen to the show. Or if you just. Ah, wait, the Just Conversation podcast exists as a thing.

Cristina: They'll just understand.

Jack: They'll just understand. You just have to say it with that in mind. It's kind of like Death Note where you got to write the name with the right person in mind. Because somebody else has the name, that person has a potential of dying. So if you know what they look like and then you use their name.

Cristina: If you don't know what the person looks like, but you just know their name, no one dies. Right.

Jack: If you don't know what the person looks like and you don't use it, I don't know.

Cristina: Because the point is you have to know and then that person dies. If you're just writing a name down that's very popular, no one's gonna die.

Jack: Yeah, I think it needs a name and a face. Right.

Cristina: But if you know the face and you use a fake name, why does it matter? Why is it that exact? Because if you have the person in mind, if that's what's really important, like why do they care if you have their name right or wrong? Like what if I wrote down your nickname? Why should it matter if I know who I'm thinking of when I'm writing it? To kill you or whatever?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It's weird because the name is man made.

Cristina: Exactly. That's a weird thing for the gods to care about.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe there's inherent names that people are given before they come to life and their parents just know inherently, this is what this person is called, but the name was given to them beforehand. Yeah, that's why you need a name and a face.

Cristina: Yeah, I said gods. But what are they they are called gods. Right.

Jack: Shinigami are gods of death.

Cristina: Gods of death.

Jack: Okay, different to gods of destruction.

Cristina: Who's a God of destruction? There's a God of destruction on the show?

Jack: No, but there's Beerus from Dragon Ball Z. Oh, okay. He's God of destruction.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: The question is, could a Shinigami kill Beerus with a simple notebook?

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: The OV Man. Here's a problem. That notebook is so overpowered. Yeah, like light versus anybody.

Cristina: If he knows.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. All he needs is Misa Amane by his side. Yeah, she can see their literal name.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll know Beerus's whole name. If that's not his whole name, write it down. It's done.

Jack: It's over.

Cristina: Yeah, you can kill a cat God. I mean, God of destruction.

Jack: You can kind of kill anybody. Now my question is, can the notebooks. Can the Death Note be used to kill Zeno? Zeno creates the universe, which is to say, Zeno and Arceus are, in theory, the same thing.

Cristina: Who's Arceus?

Jack: Arceus is the poke God.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But can the death. What are those creatures called again?

Jack: The Shinigami.

Cristina: Shin Megamis. Write down each other's name to kill them?

Jack: I don't know. I know that Light was told he cannot write a Shinigami name. It would do nothing.

Cristina: Could a Shinigami do that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because if they can't, then maybe they can't kill Beerus or any other God.

Jack: Interesting. But Beerus is an alien.

Cristina: But he's called a God of destruction. But he's not an actual God.

Jack: Yeah, he's a literal being on a planet. Yes, sort of. Yeah. Because Vegeta just became a God. It's a. It's a power degree.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But Zeno is a true God. Or is that just another power?

Jack: This is what's weird, because Zeno seems to be himself an alien.

Cristina: They all seem like aliens. Yeah, it's like the dragons are aliens to me.

Jack: No, the dragons are magic.

Cristina: Are they?

Jack: Yeah, because they were made by a creature.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And then the dragon, for example, the regular dragon is made by Kami, the first dragon. He made the dragon balls. And then so he's like power. And then he comes from that power. And he has the power to grant wishes, which is borderline.

Cristina: That's the universe one.

Jack: I don't know where the f*** that came from.

Cristina: Someone had to make the balls for that.

Jack: Maybe Zeno.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. If he's behind making the planets he's made, he made everything yeah, in theory.

Jack: He made everything.

Cristina: Okay. He could probably die, I don't know. Because he's an alien.

Jack: Yeah, that's the argument. He's not. He's God in the. In that he made everything else. Yes, but he's not God in that he is immortal.

Cristina: We don't. How is he not immortal?

Jack: He's. He could probably die. Here's. Okay, there's two xenos, right? Can one xeno kill the other? That's the argument. Okay, is he immortal? Well, there's two of them already. Meaning he exists within time.

Cristina: He does.

Jack: He exists within time. And anything within time can eventually expire. He doesn't exist outside of time. He's just an alien. In order to be God, you have to exist outside of time. That is point number one, forever.

Cristina: But he can only. It's not time that restricts him, I think it's just the reality, Right? No, but then how did the other one get there?

Jack: Yeah, there's two. Yeah, and there's from. They're from different times. Yeah, One hopped with them from the past as the universe was collapsing. Of course, he was the one who collapsed the universe. Yes, but he was in a different timeline where he. It wasn't the same him. It wasn't the same him. It's him. It's him from a different timeline. Yeah, and then he met the future him or the previous him or whatever.

Cristina: Yes, the other him.

Jack: So he doesn't exist everywhere at all times? No, he is not omniscient.

Cristina: Oh, no, he's not.

Jack: Okay, because if it was in theory, if you're God and you exist everywhere all at the same time, I can talk to you now. Take a time machine a hundred years in the past, talk to you, and you would remember me talking to you in the future, because there's no difference.

Cristina: Do the. What are they called? The Q from Star Trek?

Jack: Yes, they can remember you in the present, past and future because to them time doesn't matter. They're more God than Zeno. Boom.

Cristina: Were they once human? What are they? No, they're just being. We. Not. We don't even know what they look like. They're just. They appear to us what we look like because we're looking at.

Jack: Yes, but you did explain that they were once just like humans. Ah, that's the problem.

Cristina: But they're not humans. Or they. Were they humans or were they.

Jack: There's no such, like, human thing that there were. That there were other humans.

Cristina: Like aliens. Yeah, they were aliens that were similar to humans. I mean.

Jack: Yes, yes. They were just mortals.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why. I mean, and they're.

Jack: They're kind of still mortals because Q was going to be executed.

Cristina: Oh, yes. But he says their death is different from.

Jack: Yes, it means something different, but it's still a thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like when we talk about Jehovah. Right. And we're talking about, did God die? What does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Like, okay, first let's talk about time scale. God can live throughout the entire existence of humanity. And that was a blip. That was an afternoon for him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When we smash two atoms together, a universe could happen in there. We're talking recreating the Big Bang. And in there, all the same particles that create our universe exist. There could be galaxies and planets and universe happens and life happens within this one infinitesimally small point, and we would never even know that a universe came to be and ceased to exist in the big blink of an eye. Smaller fractions of a second that we can count or fathom. Yeah, but we outlived it, and it was a fraction of a second to us. But there were entire lives lived in that one moment.

Cristina: And that would be what God is.

Jack: Well, God would be in our position where it's like, okay, our entire universe.

Cristina: Well, that God can die.

Jack: Then the theory is, if that's an accurate depiction, then God could die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It would just be really, really, really a timescale. Exactly. It's beyond infinity to us. Yeah, but to God, it's a normal lifespan.

Cristina: Yes. But he's still God. Or he's not the ultimate God that you imagine. The last level God. He's just a demigod God.

Jack: Well, this creates a problem because if is. Is. If there's an ultimate God, then there's.

Cristina: An end, then there's an end, then.

Jack: There'S an end to things. That means there's a biggest size. Oh, you get my point. So the question is, is there or is there always something bigger, greater and more complicated?

Cristina: Yes, I'm going with yes, I think so.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Just keeps going up.

Jack: Because then the argument would be Zeno was made by something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He exists within a space that doesn't make sense to us, but he is just one of the many within that space. My argument is Jehovah, the Christian God, is either one of many gods, including Zeus as one of them and including Odin as one of them. Where all these different gods are actual gods, more God than the demigods we're familiar with, like Thor or Ares, or does Hercules count Lucifer or these other really powerful beings that aren't omniscient. But also these beings are only omniscient by our point of view.

Cristina: The gods.

Jack: The gods I just mentioned are only omniscient by our point of view. But they're all equal to each other. Meaning not any of them is better. They're all equal somehow.

Cristina: Yeah, we just wouldn't understand.

Jack: Yes. And they exist in an ecosystem in which there is something greater.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, I'm not saying Odin is related to Jehovah. I'm saying they're just people within whatever reality they exist.

Cristina: Or they're just different aliens from each other.

Jack: Well, in this argument, they would be aliens. Or the concept alien doesn't make sense. But they're not the top. Yeah, because there would be no top. They're just the products of whatever universe they're in. And then that universe has a bunch of the thing that made them that's also just one of many.

Cristina: They probably have their own gods, if they.

Jack: Yeah, maybe they each worship somebody different. Or they all worship the same God that said, make your own. Like, you're only really living, existing accurately. You only exist accurately if you make civilizations. And so they all worship the same thing. So Jehovah made civilizations and Odin made civilizations, and Zeus made civilizations because following the path of he who made us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they preached make civilization. And the three of us made civilization.

Cristina: Yes. They made mad crap. It wasn't just humans, I guess. Like, if the angels are something, then what are they? Are they aliens to us?

Jack: No, no, no, no. The angels is just the name for the demigods Jehovah made.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The same way that, like Zeus and you know.

Cristina: Yeah. They're his group of people that he hangs out with.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's all. He just wanted a special name. They're called angels.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's the same. It's the same concept. They all fit the same roles. Raphael is what, the. The health angel of health and love or some s***. And there's Michael of war. Like, what's the difference in Michael and Ares? They both wore things.

Cristina: Yeah, you know, same s***. Different names.

Jack: Different names. So then are we to say Zeno is less than Jehovah, Odin and Zeus, or Zeno is equal to Jehovah, Odin and Zeus? My argument would be what? He's more than.

Cristina: He's more.

Jack: He's more than.

Cristina: Why? It sounds like he's the same because he made life. If that's all that they had to do.

Jack: Well, the Greek made were made by Zeus. The what is the Irish or something like that were made by Odin or whatever region that's from. And the Italians were made by Jehovah. That all exists within our planet?

Cristina: Well, we don't really know. I mean, each God claims to have made everyone.

Jack: Yes. But we know it began and all the events took place in a small area.

Cristina: Oh, so you. So fair enough that they're all lying.

Jack: Yeah. I think when we say Zeus, we're talking about two different people. I mean, not Zeus. When we say Jehovah, we're talking about two different people. Right. So I constantly make the argument about good God, bad God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there is the Hebrew. There's the Hebrew God Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's wrathful and dark and destructive. He's from Israel.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the other one, he made the Jews. He made the Israelites.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the Christian all forgiving God, Jehovah.

Cristina: Did he not also make the Jews?

Jack: Well, no, he made the Christians. He's Italian.

Cristina: He's Italian.

Jack: He made the Italians. Italy and all that stuff. That's Christianity.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: While the Hebrews are Jewish.

Cristina: Okay. So yes. Different gods.

Jack: Different gods, different regions. They fueled demi as compared to somebody like Zeno, who made f****** everything.

Cristina: If you. Did he really make everything? I mean, because there's so many things under him that they could have made their own thing.

Jack: Here's the problem. Zeno really decided to blink existence out of Feyre. And he could.

Cristina: Oh yeah, he could do that.

Jack: He actively was like, so this is really bad. Yeah, it's really bad. Okay, I'll destroy it.

Cristina: Alright. Yes. Yes.

Jack: The end. That was it. It was just like, okay, yeah, he's.

Cristina: A lot like the supernatural God who is going out and blinking out different realities.

Jack: This Zeno would crap on the supernatural God.

Cristina: Yeah. Because he had to actually take turns. He'd slowly.

Jack: He had to. Yeah, he had to break it apart. Zeno was like, well, it's gone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that was it. That's all it took.

Cristina: But he purposely did it slowly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He wanted to be dramatic, the story. Yes. So he might be the same. He might be equal to Zeno.

Jack: Interesting. So that's to say that the God from Supernatural is quite different than the God we talk about when we think about the two variants of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Light and dark and Zeus and Odin.

Cristina: He's more powerful than them.

Jack: Yes. Qs are about as powerful as Zeno.

Cristina: Even though they don't make anything or destroy anything.

Jack: But they could.

Cristina: Could they really?

Jack: Yeah. One of the arguments was, does humanity deserve to exist. That's what Q was trying to. Q was trying to save humanity. But first Q was in trial, and then Q put humanity on trial.

Cristina: When he did that, though, how do you know if they were really on trial? Like, how real was that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because he's such a trickst.

Jack: Yeah, he's a troll. He's a troll?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know. He's a troll.

Cristina: Like, he could be lying about everything he's ever said.

Jack: I think, if anything, he deserves the respect that he doesn't seem to be lying. He trolls, but he seems to be telling the truth always. And he's really upfront. He just wants you to figure out the solution.

Cristina: Yeah, but sometimes he puts them in danger, and it's not real danger.

Jack: He never said they were gonna die. He doesn't lie to you. He eludes.

Cristina: Ah, okay. It's hard to trust him. It really is. Do you think he's equal to.

Jack: I think he. His people at least, have the capacity collectively to extinguish entire civilizations instantaneously. The question is, could they remove a universe in its function?

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: You don't think so?

Cristina: That's crazy. That's.

Jack: Q could be anywhere at any moment.

Cristina: But you also said he could die.

Jack: But he could die. The question is, could Zeno die?

Cristina: Exactly. We don't know that. Like, he destroyed everything and he was still alive.

Jack: Well, he left on a ship.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But, like, you think he would have just died? He would have destroyed everything and died with it?

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: I don't think so. He would have just made something new, I think.

Jack: I don't know. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: The fact that he doesn't exist everywhere at all times already makes him a different thing. Yeah, because. Because Q does. Q could just be wherever at any given moment in time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Q's gift, Picard, was teaching him how to think outside of time by forcing him to have the same memories at three different points of his life. That was the last episode of Next Generation where he was blinking back and forth and he had to use the knowledge of all times to work through the problems he was dealing with.

Cristina: And you think that's more complicated?

Jack: Well, I think that's more godly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Zeno does not have that ability.

Cristina: No. We can definitely create and destroy everything.

Jack: So then the question is, nobody is 100% anything. Zeno is not all knowing and he's not all present, but he is all powerful.

Cristina: He is all powerful. Yeah.

Jack: While Q is all present. Maybe not all powerful and not all knowing. Because he could have just read the minds of the humans and known their capacity or seen the future and known it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess he could, in theory, see the future, though.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: But he needs to interact with them at that time. So I guess he chooses different moments to interact with them. Because he could exist at all times, but he doesn't interact with them at all times.

Cristina: That's complicated.

Jack: Like, why doesn't he then?

Cristina: He does feel limited.

Jack: Yeah, There is some. There is some capacity to what he's doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they both feel limited, but they're.

Cristina: The closest thing to something complete. They're the closest to all the gods because they're all very. Even more limited than those two.

Jack: Yes. I think Q and Zeno are definitely way than the supernatural God. Maybe he's up there too.

Cristina: Him too. Yeah.

Jack: But he's not all knowing. They could block him off from knowing things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's because in the case of the supernatural God, there is more going on to that God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we have the fact that, like in the previous episode, we discussed that he came to exist not as one, but as two. Factually and maybe as three. Yes, it is possible. God, darkness, and death happened simultaneously, and not one of them came first because the nothing was there first.

Cristina: Yeah. So is that the true goddess God? Does it know everything in supernatural?

Jack: That God is the most gaudy God, but that God is also limited.

Cristina: Yes, it is.

Jack: It's more powerful than all the other s*** and still limited.

Cristina: It is limited. I don't know. But it is. I don't. But their God, though, is really up there too. I mean, the only reason he lost was because of Jack, who's also kind of. He's a God too. Pretty much.

Jack: But that means God could die from another God.

Cristina: It takes a God to kill a God. I mean.

Jack: Yeah, it does. It does. But the fact that a God could die at all means they're less godly than we think they are.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, wait. Jack used his sister to help him kill, Right? What happened with his sister? No, the God killed his sister. Right.

Jack: The darkness. I don't remember how that was included. They needed a couple of things. Like God was op, but God wasn't infinite.

Cristina: No. They're gonna use his sister against him. But then he convinced her to be on his side and he took her inside him. Pretty much some weird thing like that.

Jack: And this God doesn't exist throughout all of time either. He couldn't die in that case.

Cristina: Because he does die.

Jack: And he does die, which means he didn't know this would happen. Which means he's bound to whatever current time there is.

Cristina: But he's writing what's happening, so that's really complicated.

Jack: Not entirely. Not entirely. There's some. That's why he likes Simon Dean. They're too unpredictable to him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is some aspect of the universe that he has no control over. So he didn't design the universe he exists within, or maybe design the universe. He didn't create reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He exists within reality and he makes things inside of reality. But there's an inherent feature of reality that he does not control. That affects everything in reality. And thus Sam and Dean are a product of that. And they can do whatever they want.

Cristina: Yes. But a lot of their luck turned out to be thanks to God.

Jack: Yes. But also, he has no idea what they're going to do half the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What he loved about them is that he could tell them to do something they wouldn't. That's random and unpredictable. And that means he doesn't control everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's different degrees. Death himself is a runner of things. He has the books of who dies when they die, how they die. Which has nothing to do with God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: God has no say in this. In fact, there's a book of God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And God is not allowed to look at it. And God can't force Death to show him.

Cristina: Yeah. I'm God. I mean, Death can't betray when that moment's gonna happen. Like he can't decide, I'm gonna kill God.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even if God was gonna kill him or something.

Jack: Yes. So there's like.

Cristina: They're all limited.

Jack: Every. Everybody's got a limit. So then even the goddess God, which we would say would be the Nothing. Or the other side of the gate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is still something higher.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Because the God within the gate is in a place that's a f****** literal place. You can go to the gate.

Cristina: Which gate?

Jack: Full metal.

Cristina: Oh, that God.

Jack: And actually where the nothing lives is also a location.

Cristina: Yes. Don't know where that location is supposed to be.

Jack: Well, you transcend the physical reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or the physical universe. But you're still within reality. You're still perceiving. In both instances, then the way you would normally perceive is still very visual and auditory and tactile. So it's all the same senses, but you're experiencing it in some sort of ethereal form that's outside of Normal body constraints.

Cristina: But humans can't go there. I wonder if humans can go there.

Jack: To the other side of the gate. They can. You get pulled in.

Cristina: But I mean to. In the Nothing. Because only angels go there, as far as we can tell, I think.

Jack: Yeah. Jack and Castiel. And Castiel. And how did someone else want that?

Cristina: Sam?

Jack: How did Dean speak to it? Because he was familiar with the Nothing.

Cristina: Did he end up there? Did one of them end up there? I can't remember.

Jack: I can't remember either. That's interesting.

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: Oh, I think he did. I think when he finally ceased to exist, that's where he went. I don't remember who it was. I think it was Dean. I'm not sure anyways, because.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's kind of interesting to me. So it seems like no matter how far up we go, everybody has a limit. Like omniscience can't happen. Like, you can't be omni. Everything.

Cristina: If you are, then you are. Everything is there. It's not possible. It's not possible for there to be a God.

Jack: Yes. Because God would be a product of perception.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that means that you have to break down the concept of thought and subjectivity which goes beyond the concept of a God. A God has to think. A God has to exist.

Cristina: Yeah. So there can't really be the ultimate God that people think of.

Jack: Consciousness itself would be that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The global consciousness is the one and only God. And it's everywhere at all times. Simultaneously existing with the nothing that is everywhere at all times.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And perceiving that nothing makes the universe.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's it. I guess. Yeah. But there's no God making decisions or anything. Because then that will ruin everything.

Jack: Yes. That's just an observation. And this is what you see.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That being said, this doesn't answer the question of.

Cristina: What was the question?

Jack: Is Q more powerful than Zeno?

Cristina: I feel like Zeno still wins. He blinked out a universe. He blinked out a reality, one of the many.

Jack: Instantaneously.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think Q can do that.

Jack: I don't think Q can do that either.

Cristina: Like, maybe they can kill humans like one specific group of beings. But.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. So then the argument would be supernatural God versus Zeno.

Cristina: That's more tied, I think. Even though we don't know if Zeno could die but because that guy. That God also blinks realities out like nothing. I mean, he did it slowly, but that's because who he is.

Jack: Yes. Like, if he had to really? Because he just could. He just. Like, it's gone.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm sure he can, but he just loved to watch people scream and torture. I don't know. He's pretty messed up. God. Yeah.

Jack: Quite accurately.

Cristina: But yeah. I don't know them too.

Jack: Yeah. Because whichever one of them two wins then has to go against the Death Note.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Whichever one of those two gods wins goes against the Death Note.

Cristina: I feel like they both beat the Death Note.

Jack: Right. The question would be not, can I write your name faster than you could blink me out of existence?

Cristina: Then what is?

Jack: That's not the argument. It's if I write your name in the notebook, do you die?

Cristina: Do you die?

Jack: Like, you stand in front of me and you're like, I don't know. Let's try it. And then I do write whichever God's name in the notebook. Does that guy die? If I wrote Chuck's. Whatever complicated name.

Cristina: I think for Chuck. Yes. Only because we know he could die. Yes, we know he can die. And he's. His name is in a notebook. His name is.

Jack: He's literally gonna die. There is a literal death book.

Cristina: Yeah. There is a Death Note in the.

Jack: Show with his name in it.

Cristina: With his name in it that says when it'll happen. Interesting.

Jack: So the question also, if Zeno doesn't have death, then he beats Chuck because Chuck does die.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. They. They do have a heaven and h***, though, in that universe, so.

Jack: So does Dragon Ball Z. Yeah.

Cristina: That's what I mean. In Dragon Ball Z. So it's possible, I think, that just because those places exist, maybe he could end up in one of those places.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: But I don't know, can he? Because what could touch him? What could touch him? I mean, if he goes against himself, I guess is the only real fight. I can't imagine anything else f****** with Zeno. Yeah. If it's Zeno versus Zeno. But could they? I don't think so. It would have to be something stronger than Xeno. But he's the top.

Jack: As far as we know.

Cristina: As far as we know.

Jack: Dragon Ball Z. I won't put a cap on anything.

Cristina: Ah, you think there's something even higher?

Jack: I think if. I think eventually Goku gets all the powers of all the freaking. Whatever these creatures. He gets the God powers or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ultra mega duper instinct. And. And Vegeta gets super duper awesome destructive powers or whatever. Yeah. And then they get super grand Xeno power of all time. And then they're like, we're the strongest. And then Zeno's like, oh, no. My people are showing like, wait, your people? Yeah. I'm like the weak one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's typical Dragon Ball Z s***. Yeah, I'm the weak one. We need your help, Goku. Something horrible is about to happen, and you're the only guy I know stronger than me.

Cristina: No way. I mean, it could be. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. We already exited the concepts of time and a different universe. Or in the multiverse at this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But there could be like an Ultra Verse.

Cristina: An Ultra Verse? Oh, yes.

Jack: And Zeno is one of the many.

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't know. Only time will tell.

Jack: Like in this. At this point. At this point, nothing is God. It seems like nothing is legitimately God. Unless we have to change the definition of what God is.

Cristina: No, it's all demigods.

Jack: Yeah, because there's no. Like, the only true Gods are abstract concepts. That's the only way.

Cristina: Yeah. Then does that still count? That's not a God. Then what? The abstract.

Jack: The what? Like the global consciousness, that's everything. So it's. It's God. But that's literally to say God is within everything inherently without any deviation from anything. And it controls nothing. Except it controls everything, because everything is God. So it's intentional.

Cristina: Nothing.

Jack: Yeah, it means nothing. It's just reality equals God.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so, yeah, that's really.

Jack: They're interchangeable words.

Cristina: Yeah. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Wow. Huh? Does that make God a little bit lame? That he's not a thing?

Jack: No, he's still OP next to us. He's just not infinitely the way we think. From our point of view, he is. He'll always be everywhere, all the time, and exist beyond our concepts of time. But, like, he could already be dead.

Cristina: He could already be dead. I don't know.

Jack: God could have died in making the universe, and then as a result, he's never existed within our time.

Cristina: What would make him God? How would that work? I don't know.

Jack: He made. He's God because He made everything as far as we know.

Cristina: Okay. That's it. The power of making us is enough to be God. Because it doesn't really matter if he can live forever or not.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If he has all the knowledge or not.

Jack: Yeah. I guess Creator and God would be interchangeable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not omniscience, but Creator.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Creator equals God.

Cristina: Yeah. So if it's a scientist in the lab, that's good enough.

Jack: Yes. A scientist in a lab is God of Whatever he made, he's creator. And so I guess an interesting angle here would be if that were the case, God or the universe can exist, not God. And the universe can exist because God uses himself to make the universe. Then the universe collapses into this one thing again. And this one thing is all that there is. And it's an ever existing, infinitely lasting, self aware thing. And then it decides imma make everything, but I must make it from me, because I'm all that there is. And then I'll die in doing so. But I will be everything. My corpse is everything. And then that's the universe. And then the universe, after long enough, collapses again. And then it's this one thing again that's fully aware of itself and it's everything and everywhere all the same time. Because it's all that there is. And so there's a cycle of there is a God but no universe. And there's a universe but no God.

Cristina: Weird. Oh my gosh. Okay, but what, what is that? God is making the universe every time. Then the universe becomes God.

Jack: The universe dies. To create a God.

Cristina: To create a God.

Jack: In death there is birth somehow. Yes, always. Inescapably.

Cristina: So when the universe dies, God is made from that?

Jack: Yeah, God is made from the collapsed universe.

Cristina: Ashes. Interesting.

Jack: Then God collapses to create the universe.

Cristina: That's interesting.

Jack: Interesting. And as long as we exist, we are made of God. God is within all of us. Literally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because God corpses us all. The star. Well, everything is made of stardust. We are made of stardust. Well, that stardust is God's corpse.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, I guess that's a dark way to word it.

Jack: God's corpse. But it's like whatever he was. Because corpse doesn't really make sense. But whatever he was, the waves that create the universe, the four forces or.

Cristina: Five, intentionally make us. Or is it just part of his life cycle to make us in the end, after he dies? Like.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's an interesting question and something that would be impossible for me to answer. Yeah, but now the other angle of this would be if it was always perpetually existing, then we have the possibility. The global consciousness is much more accurate. And the global consciousness perceives everything simultaneously, is aware that it is a singular thing and the way that it is simultaneously everything else. Even if we have no awareness that we are that one thing and we all feel subjective in some higher dimensional perspective, we are all fully aware that we are the same thing.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah, that would mean that there's no distinction. And there is no life and there is no death. There's only perspective.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which feels like something that would happen as a product of consciousness observing nothingness.

Cristina: Yes. That's gotta be. It feels more accurate, right?

Jack: That feels more accurate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because even God dying to create the universe and the universe collapsing to create God, where is this happening? Right. There's still something happening.

Cristina: There's something off there. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. There's something bigger, anyways.

Cristina: Mm. But if it's the global consciousness, then there doesn't need to be anything bigger.

Jack: It doesn't need to be anything bigger. Yeah. It's all of everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is size ceases to matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you are the big and the small simultaneously with no distinction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Sure, within the third dimension, there might be infinitely going up, but all of everything in every scale within the third dimension is just a single slit of some fourth dimension, the single slit of fifth dimension, single slit of. And so on and so forth. That's collectively the one. Same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. I think that's it.

Jack: That is everywhere. But everywhere doesn't make sense because it is the space in which everything is in at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, being everywhere doesn't matter if you are the space that is everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds right.

Jack: Right. That makes way more sense.

Cristina: That's gotta be the real God. I think so.

Jack: But then the concept of God ceases to exist. Because it's not even creator. Because it created nothing. It was always there. Yeah, all of it was always there. No, but it's weird because then we're saying that in order to be God, you just have to be creator, not omniscient. Because the only omniscient thing is a global consciousness.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everywhere. Everyone always knows everything.

Cristina: So we wouldn't call that a God.

Jack: We wouldn't call that a God because God has to.

Cristina: Because that is it. That's not. I guess. Yeah. God is not a good enough name for what it is.

Jack: Yes. Because it is not an it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the lack of it is also what we're talking about.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: And it's like God is just another piece of this thing that feels that I'm God. But, like. Yeah, he's still.

Cristina: But that's why demigod sounds more right. Whether it sees itself as God or not.

Jack: Yes. Because if we're gonna say God and use all these descriptors of omniscient everything, then that's a global consciousness. Blah, blah, blah. That's the global consciousness.

Cristina: Yeah. If there's a God, it's not really? The God that everyone imagines, it's. Yeah, because. So I guess gods can exist, they're just not really gods.

Jack: Yes, well, they are. They're creators.

Cristina: They're creators.

Jack: There are creators. There might be creators. It's possible there are creators. Maybe this universe was created by a thinking individual, but that thinking individual in the highest plane of existence is no different than we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because somehow we also made this universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's a weird one. God exists because we believe in him. But God had to make the universe for us to believe in them. That's us being God.

Cristina: That's still the global consciousness.

Jack: Exactly. When you look at weird contradictions like that, weird paradoxes where. Well, the human wants to believe in something led to the existence of a God, but God made the universe with the people who believe in him. That's a closed loop.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's a perfect loop.

Jack: Perfect loop.

Cristina: That's how it should be.

Jack: If it's not a paradox, we don't get it.

Cristina: If it's not a paradox, we don't get it.

Jack: Yeah. Who was it? Einstein is the one who said it. But if you don't. I'm not sure. But if you don't understand it, if you. If you believe you understand it, you don't, because what is it? No, if you're not confused, you don't understand it well enough. There you go.

Cristina: I'm very confused.

Jack: Yeah, if you're not confused, you don't understand it well enough.

Cristina: So you're saying we do understand it. Because I feel like I still don't understand it. I do.

Jack: No, if you're very, very. I don't know.

Cristina: It's so complicated.

Jack: I don't know. Well, you don't understand it super well, no matter what. But you understand it better than somebody who believes they get it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like if somebody's like, well, there is definitely a God, and this is why. And then you're like, well, what about the whole other argument that contradicts that? Well, you're aware of a contradiction, that you're confused. You're like, well, yeah, I get it. But like, what about this giant hole over here? Even if we still technically exist, that hole still exists. You're aware that there's a problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you're confused more than that person who isn't. Who thinks, well, no, it's clearly this. It's like, well, you're missing so many pieces of this picture, and that's why you think it's like this.

Cristina: Yep. So complicated.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So who's gonna win. Zeno or the death Supernatural God?

Jack: No, it doesn't matter. Zeno is gonna win. We know supernatural God dies. The question is, does Zeno die?

Cristina: Okay, so then Zeno versus.

Jack: Yeah. Because we know that Arceus, who also made everything, can be trapped inside of stupid Pokeball.

Cristina: Yeah, but he could probably live forever.

Jack: I don't know. And we can outman. The problem is, we can outmaneuver Zeno.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Because you can escape his realm of knowledge. He's bound to time. He didn't know the other him. It wasn't him. The fact that there are two of him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are things he does not know.

Cristina: Yes. He only knows his universe.

Jack: He knows his universe. And not all of it either. He met Goku. He didn't know Goku.

Cristina: No. Okay.

Jack: You see, he's not all knowing. He made the universe.

Cristina: Maybe he made all of them, which makes no sense. I don't understand. It's complicated. Why are there more than one? Because they're from different times. Not even different realities. Nope.

Jack: Just different times.

Cristina: So that makes it weird because he made all the realities in the first place.

Jack: He made different universes.

Cristina: Universes.

Jack: 12 universes.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay. 12 universes.

Jack: But the different times within these universes, he is subject to, not a creator of.

Cristina: Yeah. So then could his name be written there?

Jack: Maybe there's something outside of Xeno that exists.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is time.

Cristina: Mm, man. Then, yeah, I think he could be written in there. Because time, he still. Yeah.

Jack: Trump Zeno.

Cristina: Yeah. So eventually he dies like everyone else.

Jack: In some way we can't fathom.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yes, Zeno probably dies.

Cristina: Probably can die.

Jack: So then the question is, is there somebody whose name we can't write? Now, the Shinigami's names can't be written within the notebook. But the Shinigami, although the exception, aren't godly. Other than the fact that live forever, they escape time, but can still die. They escape time by adding once they run out of people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To write their names into the notebook, all the Shinigami would cease to exist. Because they need people's names to write in the notebook to live.

Cristina: Yes, that's true. Even they die.

Jack: Yes. So the people die, and then the Shinigami die.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: So whose name can we write in the notebook and won't die? That would be the gaudiest God.

Cristina: The gaddiest God.

Jack: Zeus could be killed. Hercules does it. Kratos does it. The Q's were gonna execute one another.

Cristina: Exactly. So they could be written even if they Lived outside of time. It makes no sense.

Jack: Odin is scared of trying to kill him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he can die.

Cristina: Yeah, he definitely fears death. That's his biggest fear. Death. Okay.

Jack: I would argue Old Jehovah was killed by New Jehovah or imprisoned. Bare minimum. Meaning there's some degree of power. He can't overcompensate. Which means anyone equal to him can trap him.

Cristina: Can the dragons in Dragon Ball Z die?

Jack: Yes. Yes, it can. That's why the dragons fear the gods of death.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I don't know if the Super Mega Duper dragon, but the question is Xeno versus the Super Mega Duper Dragon.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like Xeno could blink it out of existence.

Jack: He could blink out the literal balls that summoned it. But could he blink out the dragon?

Cristina: Possibly. His power is ridiculous, though. He might be limited, but he's still pretty ridiculous as a creature or whatever he is. So I don't know if there's anything that can't be written. I don't know. The Darkness, the nothing. Nothing can die.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Does nothing exist? Because the darkness is trapped, just like Chuck. But the Nothing, which we've also established is somehow the Speed Force. But the Nothing, we could probably not write its name down and get a result, because where would it go if not back to where it came from and then just come back.

Cristina: Exactly. It's nothing. Like, you can't get rid of nothing.

Jack: You can't get rid of nothing. But then the same thing would happen with the Gate, because death literally sends everything to the Gate. When you go there, you see everybody who's dead. So if you were to capture the creature from the gate outside, Kill it somehow, by whatever definition means kill. It would go back to the space in which it dwells and then come right back. In neither one of these cases did they die. You change your location so they don't die. They just stay there. They've always been and they'll always be.

Cristina: Yes. I think that that's pretty much it, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The Space Force. That's what you called it. Speed Force.

Jack: The Speed.

Cristina: The Speed Force. Okay. That's the ultimate name.

Jack: Yes. So the Speed Force is the one thing that's named we can't write. Well, it's just the Force.

Cristina: The Force. Okay.

Jack: And Trump's magnificent Space Force can also not be destroyed.

Cristina: Trump's Space Force.

Jack: Yeah. You just said the Space Force.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So Space Force and the.

Cristina: That's what they called Space Force.

Jack: Yeah, the space, like, cowboy thing. He tried to start to Protect the planet.

Cristina: That's a cool thing, though.

Jack: Yeah. To protect the planet from, like, aliens or something.

Cristina: I don't know. I want to be part of that.

Jack: I would like to be part of that. I'm not sure what the point of the Space Force is, but maybe it's to find the real God. Maybe we're looking for the nothing. We have an inkling that even if we don't get how it's an alien. It is.

Cristina: Yes. No, I don't think it is.

Jack: I think it's an alien.

Cristina: What? Nothing. Yeah, I don't think it's alien.

Jack: It might be. Who knows? I have no concept of what is.

Cristina: Yeah, but nothing is nothing. I don't know.

Jack: Nothing is nothing, so. But it's in a place which is weird. I would argue it's the highest form of godliness in that it cannot be killed and seems to have the capacity to get rid of anything else.

Cristina: But you think it's limited in some way?

Jack: I don't think it's all powerful. Like, it couldn't blink the universe out of existence, but it could kill an individual within the universe. So it could, like, off Chuck, which is one. Chuck is one, not everything.

Cristina: I mean, it eventually can get rid.

Jack: Of everything, picking at it one by one by one by one for all of infinity. But it can do it, I guess, given enough time.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all it needs. And time probably means nothing to it.

Jack: But that being said, you give Castiel enough time, and he can, in theory, destroy everything in the universe. Giving anyone enough time? They can't really, with an infinite amount of time.

Cristina: Yeah, like planets and stuff. No, there are things we can't destroy easily.

Jack: Fair. But, like, you don't need to be ubers. Like, for example, Thor can clear out a universe with infinity.

Cristina: You could destroy a planet, probably, with.

Jack: Infinity by his side. I mean, his hammer has the power of a star.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know, like, he can do whatever the f*** he wants.

Cristina: He can't get rid of himself. The Nothing has that advantage.

Jack: That's a weird one, Right? Exactly, because that's the only thing the Nothing has in his favor. He can get rid of any one thing at any given time, and then that's it.

Cristina: There's nothing left. If someone else did the same thing, they'd still be left.

Jack: Yes, but the nothing isn't there.

Cristina: Exactly. So the nothing wins.

Jack: The nothing wins. It was already not there. You could get rid of everything.

Cristina: You could get rid of everything.

Jack: Zeno would still be left. Even if he blinked, the universe Out. Chuck would still be left even if he blinked the universe out. As would be Odin, as would be Zeus, as would be Jehovah. Everybody. Everybody. Everybody except the nothing, where the only thing that would be left is nothing.

Cristina: Exactly. Nothing will be left.

Jack: Nothing would be left.

Cristina: Truly extinguish everything. He wins.

Jack: And he's not there to begin with.

Cristina: Exactly. That makes no sense.

Jack: Yeah, it's a weird thought to have, because in supernatural, they're just trying to convey that there's nothing here by showing us something there. Yeah, but, like, the idea is there's nothing.

Cristina: Yes, but they gave nothing a personality and everything. I don't know. Yeah, they made nothing of something, but.

Jack: It'S not still nothing. Yeah, a conscious nothing. Because first, consciousness has nothing, and nothing, for whatever reason, has consciousness.

Cristina: Well, that makes sense, I guess. But it's the same thing. Consciousness and nothing are the same.

Jack: Sort of. But they're not. No, because, like, nothingness isn't inherently conscious, but it contains consciousness within it or around it or. Yes, some consciousness.

Cristina: But that's with everything. Everything has consciousness.

Jack: No, because everything is consciousness. Not everything has consciousness.

Cristina: Everything is.

Jack: There's only things. Because consciousness.

Cristina: Okay. And nothing is the same.

Jack: Well, nothing doesn't have consciousness. No, Nothing is nothing. Despite consciousness. That's the only thing that exists. Man, this conversation is so astoundingly abstract. I'm sure we've alienated the entire listener base by talking about the most abstract concept, which is to break apart anything and everything and leave the literal lack of all. And consciousness is bare bones. Yes, but, like, we're talking gods. This is the limit. Yes, because God, the idea of a God, is demi by default.

Cristina: There's the only things left is consciousness and nothing.

Jack: Yeah, and consciousness has no space in which to act. It observes action, and nothingness has nothing to act within it. But somehow the product of observing the lack of equals something. Nothing could be more abstract than this.

Cristina: Conversation, but I think that's as far as we can go with it. I don't.

Jack: Yeah, it's the limit of metaphysics. We're not even trying to answer stupid questions like, what is consciousness? Like, I don't f****** know, bro. It's observation. Yeah, I don't know how to answer that question, but I can tell you that the limit of all that there is. Maybe not factually, but, like, as far as even the humans listening. And if you are listening and you feel like you have a better answer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Let us know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you feel you have something more abstract to offer.

Cristina: I doubt that. But if you do.

Jack: Enlighten us. Because right now we believe that before something existed, there was a potential consciousness within the nothing that is everywhere or whatever. Or every nothing. It's hard because there is no language to describe the lack of something.

Cristina: Nothing is nothing. Nowhere.

Jack: Yeah. Nothing is everywhere and nowhere. Because it doesn't that there needs to be a word. The problem is language would break down because if you had a word, then it's something by default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It needs to transcend everything. Because it's nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It needs to transcend literally everything. And then consciousness needs to be included. And then the universe happens. Or reality is a product. Reality looks like is subject to whatever rules are governing said reality, which is observed by consciousness looking at nothing. I don't know what else to say.

Cristina: Yeah. So look, if you make sense.

Jack: I hope so. Point is that if we write Zeno's name into Death Note, he probably dies.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the conclusion here.

Jack: It seems like the only name we can't successfully write and get good results from nothing are nothing from Supernatural and the God from Full Metal. Because that's also essentially the nothing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It exists in a weird space of nothing.

Cristina: You can't write down nothing.

Jack: Like you can, but nothing would happen.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Because there's just nothing there for something to happen to.

Cristina: Exactly. That's the conclusion.

Jack: That's the conclusion that if you write the name of nothing, well, nothing would happen.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that makes perfect sense, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If you write nothing, then nothing.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: This is an educational episode.

Cristina: Yes. You learned a lot.

Jack: We learned a lot. If you write nothing, nothing happens. That's. Man. If you write nothing, nothing happens. And I can't. Look, if you guys truly do believe there's more, please tell us. We need to know. I would like to know definitely what more abstract concept there is.

Cristina: If you know more about nothing.

Jack: Yeah. If you have a way of thinking of nothing that we have not discussed, please share.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because this is not like an easy subject.

Cristina: No, I mean, it's about, like, how do you even.

Jack: I don't know, dude. It's weird.

Cristina: Yes. So, yeah, let us know.

Jack: Let us know about nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's fantastic and all, but, like, I don't know because. Because there's nothing to know.

Cristina: There's nothing to know.

Jack: So, like, if they had an answer, it would have to include the fact that there's nothing to share. That's. I don't know. Just comment, reply, tweet at us, or f******, like, find us on, preferably Instagram, email us. I don't Care.

Cristina: Text us.

Jack: Yeah, text us. Let us know. Send us. Send me a letter.

Cristina: Call us. So we can ignore it.

Jack: Yeah, probably a scam call, but I'll answer and try to find out what nothing means.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, next time I get a scam call, I'm gonna do that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'll be like, what? What does nothing mean?

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, I'm gonna just ask, what does nothing mean? And they're gonna tell me, don't know. Well, no, they know everything except what f****** car. The warranty they're asking for seems to be expired on. And if you ask them, like, then how do you know? Then they hang up on you. Your car is expired warranty. You got to send this money or whatever. Which car? Your newest car. Wait, I bought two cars at the same time. Which one? What are the two makes of your car? Well, hold on. You said the warranty was expiring. How do you know?

Cristina: Yeah, they're just really guessing.

Jack: Yeah, they're not guessing. There's no f****** warranty expiring.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: You might not even have a car. No, they're just calling a number saying the warranty's expire.

Cristina: Yeah, they call me for that. What car? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, which one of my cars?

Cristina: Man, that's crazy.

Jack: Anyway, so let us know, man. Let us know.

Cristina: Let us know about nothing.

Jack: Yeah, let us know about nothing. And if you like conversations like this. Well, last episode, we had the same thing. And I think, like, two or three episodes before that, we also discussed. That's where we came to the conclusion of what the Speed Force was. The Force, ultimately, the energy that exists within everything. And then. So this episode, we tried to compare all the gods. The previous episode, we established which God is. What? I don't remember.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: I know. We talked about gods, too, to some degree. And then several episodes back, established the Speed Force as. Oh, no, last episode was the Fifth Force.

Cristina: The Fifth Force. Okay.

Jack: The Fifth Natural Force.

Cristina: Which looks like magic.

Jack: Which looks like magic. Man, that's the weirdest thing, right? Because the Nothing and the Speed Force could die. That's the problem. The Force could die. You could use the Force.

Cristina: So nothing isn't the Force.

Jack: Nothing isn't.

Cristina: You've been calling, even saying it, we thought it was. It's not. Okay? The whole episode is wrong.

Jack: But, yeah. Yeah, this episode proved last episode wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, but we just found out.

Jack: We just found out. D***. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, you can find this and many more episodes of this kind on the official Website great thoughts.info or anywhere you get your podcast, like Apple Podcasts and Spotify and wherever.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at justconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe and rate and review the show. Reviews are great and they help and rates are great and they help and subscriptions are great and you get more episodes and you can hear us talk such abstract thoughts that you get lost.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And additionally, go listen to me talk to people on the stereo app where I have conversations with people.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Like I said before, you walk up and you scream and they'll know. They'll know that what you meant is. The Just Conversation podcast, the episodes about gods and about the fifth natural force and about what the force is and about the nothing.

Cristina: Yep. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Oh, yes. Yes. Baby cells. Yeah, skin cells.

Cristina: That doesn't make it alive.

Jack: Yes, it's cells.

Cristina: It's leftover though.

Jack: It doesn't matter because it's alive. All of it is alive.

Cristina: It doesn't say that it's alive.

Jack: Cellular lining is living.

Cristina: It's not living while it's on the poop. It's just dead cellular lining.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No one said living cellular lining. Did they say living?

Jack: It said living. It said living on many accounts. Living bacteria.

Cristina: No, but it doesn't say living cellular lining. It just says cellular lining.

Jack: Cellular lining. Living. I don't think Google that.

Cristina: Because our dead bodies have cellular lining.

Jack: Google it.

Cristina: And our dead bodies are dead.

Jack: Google it. But that didn't come out of a dead body.

Cristina: It did come from dead body. It did come from a dead body.

Jack: The poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: No, the poop is what's dying. We're talking about a poop by itself that's gonna die when death embraces it.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 144: The Five Strong Forces

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If magic part of ‘The Force?’ Are the Cat People of Lochness using magic or highly advanced technology that seems like magic to primitive minds? Is God the source of ‘The Force’ or just another being using its power? The duo unpacks nature’s most complex question and uncovers truths never expected. What is the Fifth Natural Force?

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  • Gryffindor
  • Mars
  • Zombies
  • Cat People
  • Fullmetal Alchemist
  • The Gate
  • God
  • The Force
  • The Nothing
  • Adrenochrome
  • Cat Gods
  • Zombies vs Vampires

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button and to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody to listen to the show with. That's it?

Cristina: That's it?

Jack: That's it.

Cristina: Nothing dangerous.

Jack: Why would end it be dangerous?

Cristina: Because it's always dangerous.

Jack: Who said?

Cristina: You say. You always say.

Jack: I've never used the words dangerous.

Cristina: No, but you suggest horrible things.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like man, what did you suggest last week?

Jack: Who knows? You're making it all up. We don't do the cancer part.

Cristina: We don't do the cancer.

Jack: No, the cancer just happens to people. There's something that's different.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Cancer just happens to people.

Cristina: What about that time where that guy we. Oh, I guess you don't. You say. You said last week though that or an episode or two ago that you don't tell people what to do. You're just saying what a random person is doing.

Jack: Yeah. Because the odds are somebody's doing this. There's 7 billion people in the world.

Cristina: Yes. And one of them is fighting a Gryffindor in the forest.

Jack: A Gryffindor. So to be. So to get this straight, somebody is fighting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A wizard. No, out in the forest.

Cristina: Not a wizard. Gryffindor. Not. Oh, not that. Oh crap. Whatever the bird is called. Is it?

Jack: So somebody's fighting a wizard bird?

Cristina: No. What's the bird?

Jack: Cause so for those of you who want to share this show with somebody and you happen to be a wizard from Gryffindor.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can share this with your classmates.

Cristina: Cassan's fighting a wizard. Okay. No. What is that bird then?

Jack: The griffin.

Cristina: The griffin. Okay. Someone in the forest was fighting a griffin.

Jack: No, they're fighting a Gryffindor. We're talking the end of the world. We have black magic versus white magic and they're going at it in the woods. This is the last Harry Potter film, isn't it? That's what's happening. That took place in the woods or some s***. It was like both in the school and then in the woods. Cuz they were like teleporting back and forth or some s***.

Cristina: I didn't see the last movies. Like, I didn't see lots of those movies.

Jack: I sat down and I saw all of in one sitting.

Cristina: That's pretty horrible.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was very bad.

Cristina: Why didn't you do that with Lord of the Rings?

Jack: It would have been about the same amount of time.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Lord of the Rings is like nine hours long in three movies.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, Harry Potter's like an hour and a half each. Yeah, seven movies.

Cristina: Okay, there's a lot of movies. That's a lot of movies. Okay, that's up there. Yeah. Well, not Griffin. Gryffindors.

Jack: Look, the Gryffindors are a dangerous group of people. But there's a good guys, right? Yeah, there's good guys. The Gryffindors. They're dangerous or powerful.

Cristina: There's probably bad Gryffindors, though.

Jack: Aren't all the bad people from, like, Slytherin?

Cristina: There's probably because they slither.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably.

Cristina: That's stereotyping.

Jack: That is stereotyping. That being said, if I were to be a wizard, I'd rather Slytherin. Gryffindor. Pretentious. Like Goody Two Shoes. You guys are whack.

Cristina: I want it to be Ravenclaw.

Jack: Yeah, Ravenclaw works too. Yeah, they're the pretentious intellect douchebags.

Cristina: But I'm not. The hat said Slytherin.

Jack: The hat said Slytherin for you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you're the bad guy.

Cristina: I'm not a bad guy.

Jack: You're a worm. You're slither. You're a snake. You slither.

Cristina: Yes. Whatever.

Jack: I got Ravenclaw.

Cristina: You got Ravenclaw?

Jack: Yeah. I wanted Slytherin because the bad guy's duh.

Cristina: And you got Ravenclaw.

Jack: I got Ravenclaw.

Cristina: That's lame.

Jack: I wanted Slytherin. Slytherin would be cool, dude. Be edgy with the homies. I don't know, just black clothing.

Cristina: They're not edgy.

Jack: They're all edgy. You know who's the most edgy? What the f*** is the name of this annoying kid?

Cristina: The blond one?

Jack: Yeah, the blonde troll.

Cristina: Malfoy.

Jack: Malfoy. He's totally a troll. Yeah, he's an edgy troll.

Cristina: I just know he doesn't have, like, two friends who are. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's why I'm saying he's edgy. Not, his friends are edgy.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're also Slytherin.

Jack: I don't know. I feel like they would be from Hufflepuff. Right. I don't know where all the losers go.

Cristina: Do all the. They have to be. There's something unique about them. Right?

Jack: What is Hufflepuff's uniqueness? We're all fat.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Ironically enough, Hufflepuff. No, wait, that other kid is from Gryffindor. He hangs out in the same class as Harry. The other kid who was. Yeah, no, the kid who was gonna be the other guy who just had total roll of the dice of being the chosen one.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I think he is Gryffindor.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's a crazy storm happening outside for anybody who's listening right now.

Cristina: So in case you hear it.

Jack: Yeah. In case you hear this crazy storm in the background. Right now we're on Mars and there's quite a heavy. We didn't even know Mars had storms. We thought that was like a Saturn exclusive thing or some s***. Is it Saturn or Venus? Sat we. One of the planets in our f****** system has a crazy. Yeah, there's a bunch with storms. Like some of one of our plants is raining acid or something. I don't f****** know. But yeah. So there's a storm going on up here. It's a very heavy dust storm. And there's rain, which is weird because that means there's water, which we haven't seen. But also, this isn't technically our Mars.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. And it's probably. We like where we placed it might not be exactly where Mars was supposed to be.

Jack: So like we're estimating, like.

Cristina: Yeah, it was pretty. I guess there's no way we could have picked the exact specific.

Jack: Hey, look, at least we've fixed the gravity of the system. That's what matters.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The system was gonna go to. And we saved the system from going to. So we're heroes.

Cristina: Yes. And now it rains.

Jack: And now it rains on Mars. Because Mars of planet Mars 2 universe 2 Mars too.

Cristina: Well, that's a good thing. Maybe things will live here, start growing. Yeah.

Jack: D***. You think it's because we place weird that it rains now?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You think the soup. The sub humans are like using the rain to like, torture things. Like holding werewolves underwater. Like f******. What is it called when you put the f******.

Cristina: Like the waterboard.

Jack: Waterboarding. You think they're using it to waterboard people?

Cristina: I don't know. I'm not watching them, man.

Jack: That's fire.

Cristina: That's what they do.

Jack: Yeah, I don't ask questions. No, I mean, I literally just ask questions.

Cristina: You just. Exactly.

Jack: So, yeah, like, I show up after the abuse happens. And I'm like, all right, f****** cat person, you stupid bottom of the barrel cat guy. Tell me where your leaders are.

Cristina: That's why you asked them?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you actually want to know?

Jack: Yeah. That's actually why we're gonna go and attack the cat gods.

Cristina: The cat gods. There's. Why are we fighting gods?

Jack: Well, they call them gods. I'm sure they're just like powerful aliens or something.

Cristina: Oh, all right. Like, they're just more cat people.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming. And we also have the technology to get there now with the pyramids and the lasers and the, you know.

Cristina: Yes. And we got zombies. We can make them fight our war.

Jack: That's. That's interesting. Right? Like, because the idea here is we have an island filled with zombies and we have a bunch of sub humans who are, like, way better than all the humans and super soldiers that have ever existed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we can send a bunch of zombies ahead just to mindlessly destroy everything, and then send the subhumans to clean out the zombies after they've taken care of all of the cat people.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But then we got a weird problem, because there's cat people. Zombies, maybe.

Cristina: That might be worse than that might be worse if they have magic and they're zombies.

Jack: Yeah, that was the f****** thing about the cat people. Right. There was magic. So the cat people have magic abilities.

Cristina: That's probably dangerous.

Jack: D***. It's hard to follow the lore of this, but, yeah, I'm pretty sure the cat people are entirely magic, right?

Cristina: Yes, they are.

Jack: They are. And we were comparing their magic to the reptilian science. Interesting.

Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. Because it's so advanced looking.

Jack: Yes, because the reptilian science is so advanced that it might as well be magic. Which then brings up the question of whether what the cat people have is really magic or just technology. So advanced it even looks like magic compared to the reptilian technology.

Cristina: I don't know. It might be magic. I don't know. Maybe it comes from the forest. Is that where we were talking about before? Not them, but the forest with the glass.

Jack: The Gryffindor force, where the Gryffindors are fighting right now.

Cristina: The. The Flash. Where his power comes from.

Jack: Oh, the Speed Force.

Cristina: The Speed Force. Where we think all the powers come from.

Jack: Interesting. Well, that would be science, wouldn't it?

Cristina: Would that be science?

Jack: Would that be science? Are you telling me that the Flash is magic?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The argument would be that if the Speed Force is real, yes. It's the Fifth Force. It's Just science. It's part of the universe.

Cristina: Okay. My gosh. Because I. I don't remember if you mentioned this, but what about full metal alchemists?

Jack: Right. They get their source of power from another universe.

Cristina: Is it another universe or is it the Force?

Jack: No, it's another you. They. I mean, here's the. Okay, I like your question. Right. Because there's some thought to be given here. We know that in universe A, Edward Al, as well as all the other alchemists, use their powers.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they can. Alchemy happens. But when they perform alchemy in this side, somebody dies. In the other universe, that's a trade off. Okay, so they're using the life of people from the other universe.

Cristina: Is that really what's happening?

Jack: I believe so.

Cristina: I don't know. I thought the other universe was just their place, but without the magic.

Jack: It is your place without the magic.

Cristina: But I didn't know death was happening.

Jack: Yes, they cause death every time they use alchemy.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: I believe so, yes. Okay. After looking it up. Yes. So somebody dying on Earth sends the energy to their universe and then they can use it for alchemy.

Cristina: That means that. But when they use alchemy, they're not murdering someone. It's just someone dies. The energy has to go somewhere. It goes to over there.

Jack: The argument would be that those two scenarios are connected. Rather than somebody die and the energy waits and lingers. Somebody dying and doing alchemy are simultaneous.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So instead of saying because he did alchemy, somebody died or somebody died, that the energy goes to the other side and waits for alchemy to be done. There's no difference between the two scenarios.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alchemy being performed and somebody dying are simultaneous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's not that one caused the other in any kind of way.

Cristina: Interesting. So they.

Jack: So the question is, how is that connected to this? To the force?

Cristina: Yeah, because there. There's no. I mean, it's automatic.

Jack: Yeah, it's instant.

Cristina: It's. Maybe it looks instant, but it's not instant.

Jack: It could be the case. But how would we prove that? It would just be a total guess. We know death equals energy for alchemy. Yes, that's. That's what we have.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. I don't know.

Jack: As well as we know, the two scenarios that are tangled together are World War II and the attack on Ishbal. Those are real scenarios that are probably happening simultaneously. So getting rid of the Ishbalans and is equal to the Germans getting rid of the Jews. This giant crazy massacre. And now as the Jews die on.

Cristina: Earth, that's giving enough energy to.

Jack: That gives enough energy for these guys to create some powerful alchemy and a mistress.

Cristina: Yeah, but that was like. It's so intertwined that you don't know which one came first to the other.

Jack: And then response. The counterparts are still dying in a mistress.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the universe is balancing itself out at all times.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Perfectly equal exchange.

Cristina: Yes. Then how does that relate. Oh, my gosh. That's interesting.

Jack: Is it? Now the question is, if everything is based on the Force, this would also have to be based on the Force.

Cristina: That's. But how?

Jack: But how? Either we're not understanding how the Force works.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or there's something.

Cristina: Because we've talked about how the Force is different. Like how in Transformers, it's just automatic. Like, they are attached to. They are the Force. Pretty much.

Jack: They don't need some. Some vessel. They are the vessel.

Cristina: Yeah. So using in some way like that, where they are it or their counterparts. The World2 version is what the Transformer is like. They are the energy. They are the magic. Whatever.

Jack: I don't get it.

Cristina: Like, even though they can't use magic, it's because the magic is inside them.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: They die. The magic goes to another place for.

Jack: Them to use, so then they can't use it. You're saying there's transformers that can't transform without their counterpart dying?

Cristina: Oh, no, that's true. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. I don't know. That's very.

Jack: It's complicated. Right. Because in every instant, we've had some connection to how the. Everything connects to the Force. And then we get to Full Metal Alchemist, and the question is, how does it connect to the Force? We know energy from one side equals the powers of the other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we didn't know that people were dying on one side, we'd assume the Force is where they're getting this ability from.

Cristina: Yeah, but.

Jack: And it looks like lightning. A lot of the times are doing it just like force. There's electrical surges and lights and energy being used. Literal energy that we can see.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Then maybe it does relate to what's going on here.

Jack: Okay. Option B. The entire universe. Universe is the multiverse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Works exactly the same way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And what's happening is the Force isn't just the Force. It's literal life energy.

Cristina: Yes. We're murdering people. Every time Flash runs, he's killing someone.

Jack: Or people are dying. Reality the idea would be, I mean.

Cristina: Not reality, a different universe.

Jack: The whole universe?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we know that in Star wars they're using the Force, but they're in a galaxy way the f*** away. So it's not an Earth thing. Energy of the universe. So people dying in a universe equate to energy existing in another. And it's a one direction thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So whatever universe B is funnels energy to universe A always and only in that direction.

Cristina: So if your universe doesn't have magic, you're probably. It's probably crap there.

Jack: You're probably the people who are dying to create magic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the flip side, it could be a chain. So let's say that instead of us being universe A, we are universe B. We get energy from universe C, but we die giving energy to universe A.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And when people in universe A die, that energy goes to universe C. And so it's all connected always.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thus there is a potential energy which then goes to say what you meant. There is just energy kind of lingering to be used. So when they die, it's not in sync necessarily. Maybe in their case it is, but in other instances, no.

Cristina: Yeah, because they just know about A and B. But there might be a cd, whatever.

Jack: It might just be always bouncing back around. A good way to think about this is the, the movie, the one.

Cristina: Which one's the one that's with jet.

Jack: Liquid and the multiverse, where he goes around jumping from universe to universe, killing all the versions of himself.

Cristina: Alright, Right.

Jack: So one guy is getting younger and stronger throughout the course of his life and he doesn't know why he becomes superhumanly strong and fast. He becomes a cop. He's an op cop. And then he finds out there's a guy, another version of him, who's been traveling from universe to universe, killing all the versions of himself to gain the power.

Cristina: So as that guy gets stronger, so is he.

Jack: So is he. Because the universe is evenly distributed between everybody of the same ability.

Cristina: Oh, wow. Okay, now these are two.

Jack: The problem here is in the one, the energy is divided evenly amongst everybody in all the 20, whatever, many universes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While Fullmetal Alchemist, it's one directional. The question is, is it truly one directional?

Cristina: It might not be because we just, we just don't understand how the whole connection.

Jack: In the case of alchemy specifically, maybe that type of energy usage means it's taking it from somewhere directly. So if you do alchemy in this universe, you took it from C. But if somebody in universe A did alchemy Somehow they would just off somebody in our universe.

Cristina: Yeah. Wait, which, if you have to say.

Jack: The letters again, we're B.

Cristina: Where? B. Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And if A uses it, B, someone.

Jack: Somebody dies here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we don't even know it. We're just like, well, somebody died.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But that's energy over there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or there is, in fact, a lingering energy that's accessible from any universe at any given moment. But then why couldn't the people in universe C use energy from people dying here in universe B? Unless they just simply don't have alchemy, which we know they don't. Yeah, that universe, that, for the physics, doesn't allow for alchemy. But if they could.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They would be tapping into that same energy.

Cristina: Yeah. But why can't they?

Jack: Different universe. That's all it is. Physics.

Cristina: Yes, the physics are different. All right. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: So the potential energy is still there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just not being used through alchemy, because that's impossible.

Cristina: But there might be another way they can use it. They just haven't figured that out yet.

Jack: Or they are using it and we weren't shown what that is.

Cristina: Yes, that too. Oh, yes. That solves it.

Jack: So that could explain. That could keep the force consistent.

Cristina: Yes. Wait, how did he get into the other universe?

Jack: Somebody created a portal and pushed him through to get rid of him.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And the door with knowledge thing, what is that? That's nothing. Yeah, the gate. That's not where they get their alchemy from. That's only related.

Jack: I think that's where it goes through.

Cristina: From between worlds.

Jack: Well, it's knowledge or something. That might be the physical location of the Speed Force or the Force. That creature is the living force.

Cristina: The living force. Okay, because I was thinking that that's where it came from, but I wasn't sure. But then you said it came from the other.

Jack: Yes, we know. People die on the other side to give the energy.

Cristina: Yeah. If I was thinking that the Force was in the actual physical location.

Jack: Well, knowledge is there. Maybe that is the Force's home. But the Force itself is the being that's there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rather than the location.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And so energy goes through it. It requires. Because it can connect. It connects everything to all the universes he's in.

Cristina: I just finished reading the Witcher, and in that book, the girl sees a door, and that reminded me of the. The. The gate. Because she's learning magic.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And that's where the magic comes from. Not physically, but in her mind. That's what she sees it as. And it's like, oh, crap, that reminds me of Full Metal Alchemist. But then that connected me to the other episode that we were talking about magic and, like, where it comes from. Because here everyone can get. Use the magic. Well, not everyone can use the magic, but people who can learn how to use the magic, they're all getting it from the same place.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Like, the source is the same.

Jack: Interesting. So the energy ultimately comes from the same place. So then we were. If we were to say this. Any. Anybody who learns to do anything, whether it looks like power, it looks like magic, it's all the same thing. We're just doing it differently.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the Gryffindors are using the Force.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can, in theory, pin the class of Gryffindor versus the Sith and have them go at it. Sith, lightning. And then somebody does a chant and waves their wand and boom. You're like fighting on equal terms.

Cristina: Yeah. Because they're all getting in this from the same place, I'm assuming. Yeah.

Jack: It's all coming from the Force one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah. What? What?

Jack: The greater energy.

Cristina: That's fascinating, but we all see it as something different.

Jack: We all see it as something. It's like religion. We're all talking about the same thing, but we're all calling it something different. Yes, but it is the same thing. This is. Everybody figured out how to use it differently, and we're all being disciplined differently on how to use exactly the same thing.

Cristina: Yes. That's interesting. It's like meditation. Like, there's a whole bunch of. A bunch of ways to use that and different schoolings for that. Like, there's a right way, but there's not really a right way.

Jack: It's not really a right way. You can meditate just by doing art, by playing an instrument. You can meditate by prayer. You can meditate by literally sitting there and humming and, like, uniting with a note. Distract your mind. There's so many. You can meditate. Flow states. Flow states. Your meditation.

Cristina: It's a huge variety. Like, unlimited. Yeah, variety.

Jack: Whatever can pull you into a state of thoughtlessness.

Cristina: But there's also people that say there's the right way of doing it, which.

Jack: Is incorrect because there is no right way. The only wrong is believing you're right.

Cristina: Yes. And that's the same with magic now.

Jack: Well, it's not even magic. It's just a form of energy. Yeah, Magic is a form of energy. Powers are a form of energy, which means when you have the X gene, that mutates in your body. That mutation just connects you to the Force.

Cristina: The Force X gene. That's. What is that?

Jack: Marvel X Men?

Cristina: X Men? Yeah.

Jack: That'S. That's just connecting you to the Force.

Cristina: Yeah. We talked about Superman having the Force, too.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He literally uses light.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: His people are people inherently connected to the Force.

Cristina: Yeah. So even the X Men are using the Force in their DNA? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, their DNA can. Yeah, I guess something about the mutation they go through allows them to connect more directly to the Force.

Cristina: Is it possible then, that people who use magic just might have the X gene and don't even know it?

Jack: Interesting. Well, here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Right? People who use the X gene and people who use magic, when you. I mean, I guess you have to be born into magic, right? Is that the argument?

Cristina: No. I don't know. Most of the time, I feel like. Yes, yes. It's like very rare occasions where you don't need to be born. It just takes a little longer to learn. Like Hermione. Hermione. That's her name. She's not magic born.

Jack: Oh, s***. You're right. She just learned it.

Cristina: Yes. But it took her extra, extra long, I guess. I'm assuming, like, she had to study way more than everyone else.

Jack: Yeah. So it didn't take her longer. She had to work harder.

Cristina: Yes. That's why. I mean. Yes, she had to work harder.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I think you're definitely right.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Yeah, there's always a way. It just makes it easier. So the argument would be you don't need the X gene because there are some people who haven't mutated and still have abilities. Again, Superman's people. Unless they do have the X gene.

Cristina: They definitely do. They. They do, yes.

Jack: Because it's inherent. They're born with it.

Cristina: Yes. Goku's people.

Jack: Goku's people. Interesting. While humans are just human, regardless of how you're looking at it. So you got to learn. Either have some sort of vessel, have a tool that allows you to channel the power through it. Wands or.

Cristina: Wands is the popular choice.

Jack: This is a popular choice. Yeah. That seems to be like the Go To.

Cristina: Witches don't use wands, but they're. They're using the weakest level of magic because they're not really witches or anything. They just have the weakest, easiest to learn simplest tricks.

Jack: Yes, but it's also still magic because they do have tools that allow them to go through those abilities. So they'll have a hex bag. They'll have, you know, grab some of this dirt, grab some of that thing. And, like, you're still using the tools of. Then another thing would be. Right. We just talked about meditation. Yeah, but when you're doing witchcraft, you're trying to tune into nature, the elemental natures, which usually requires meditation in the first place. So you get the elements you need, you get the picture of whoever. You get a couple of natural, like, a leaf, some rock, some dirt, a.

Cristina: Thing from this place, avatar elements, crap.

Jack: Like that, and then you put it together to try to focus your energy and tune into this force more deeply, to control it better. So meditation connects you to the Force the same way people believe prayer is allowing them to make, like, wishes come true. Almost like if I pray and I ask for a thing, it'll happen while you're meditating. And something about that meditation is allowing you to bend the Force.

Cristina: Yeah. And the Force.

Jack: So God is the Force. The same way that this creature, who we call God and Full Metal Alchemist, that exists in between the gates.

Cristina: Is the forest.

Jack: Is the forest.

Cristina: It's the forest.

Jack: God is the Force.

Cristina: Yep. All right, so we're getting our energy.

Jack: From God or the forest.

Cristina: Or the forest. Yeah.

Jack: It's weird because there are versions of it that are sentient, thinking things. The question is, is that our perception of it, or is that objectively the truth? Like, do some people see it as a thinking thing? Do other people not? The flash talks to the Force.

Cristina: I think it depends on the person because Ciri saw it as a door, but in Fullmetal Alchemist, they see it as a gate, so it really depends on the person.

Jack: Well, both of those things are just a doorway. In Full Metal Alchemist, he saw what's on the other side of the gate, and it was this creature.

Cristina: Well, yeah. Okay, well, but that came from him.

Jack: Did Ciri see what's on the other side of the door, or did she just see the door?

Cristina: She just saw the door.

Jack: So we don't know what's on the other side of that door?

Cristina: No, no. Oh, you think someone's in there behind her? I mean, she might have. I don't know. I feel like it was her past memories, though, or something. And then after she was able to relive that, then she was able to finally use the Force.

Jack: Okay, okay. There was nothing first, and then there was God and darkness. You have to die out of existence to see the nothing supernatural. Okay, so that exists in such a way that even God in the darkness are younger, not older than the Nothing.

Cristina: Huh? What do you mean?

Jack: God gets his energy from the nothing. The Force.

Cristina: The Force.

Jack: Wait, the Nothing is the ultimate first thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then God or death. It's not clear. God, death, and darkness all sort of happen simultaneously.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And nothing came first.

Cristina: Yeah. So the nothing. Of course.

Jack: That's my question. Right. Because the Nothing God from Full Metal Alchemist. The same f****** thing. And the consciousness of the Force. All those things have just always been.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While God and supernatural had to come into existence.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's no explanation when or how. We just know that.

Cristina: Yes. We know that three things came out around the same time.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He's got his sister.

Jack: And they were only predated by nothing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which arguably doesn't really make sense in Supernatural because nothing is literally a thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Whatever.

Jack: Depiction. I get it. I get it. You can't show us another thing.

Cristina: Yeah. It's like.

Jack: Get it. I get it. It's you. You're excused.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But looks pretty interesting to say that both the Nothing and God from Fullmetalchemist are the same thing. They're also this sort of shapeless goo or something.

Cristina: They're nothing.

Jack: They're nothing.

Cristina: They're nothing. There's. You're trying really hard to see something in the nothing, and that's why you get this shapeless goo.

Jack: Yes. But so are those two things the same thing? And is that the Force?

Cristina: I will say yes, because the Force.

Jack: Is pure energy and thus it is also shapeless.

Cristina: Should be. But we all see something in it. And that's why there's God in the first place. Because we got to see something.

Jack: Yeah. And some people don't see God, but they. But the question is, like, do the people of Superman have God, or is that just a thought that doesn't cross their mind because they're naturally connected to the Force Already they got pure spiritualism. No religion.

Cristina: I don't know much about Superman, though. It maybe. Are they spiritual beings?

Jack: I don't know. That's literally what I just asked.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: So that's interesting to think that there is a pure or something that everything, including God himself, is connecting to.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then the argument would be, is God just one of the beings most directly connected? And they can use larger chunks. A long time ago, we had an episode where we talked about God's existence being only there to try to create another God so that God can sort of die off finally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's going to do whatever he can to create another God. Is it because it's really hard to teach something to use the force.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so in small scales, adrenochrome is a way to connect to it.

Cristina: Oh, crap, I forgot about adrenochrome. That's. That's our planet's magic. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: It's a shortcut.

Cristina: It's our shortcut. Yeah.

Jack: So we don't have alchemy.

Cristina: You don't have alchemy.

Jack: We have adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Forget about that. Yes. And God uses that. Yeah.

Jack: We have science and adrenochrome. Those are our two keys.

Cristina: I guess we do have magic. We don't have magic, but we know people who do have magic, which are the cat people that you mentioned.

Jack: Yes. Unless that's not magic.

Cristina: Unless that's not magic.

Jack: Which is why we need to go wage war and find out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because if there is magic, then there's something we're not understanding about our universe, which is actually why we're here on Mars in the first place. Before the stupid f****** storm showed up. We're here to interrogate the f****** cats.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we need to find out if it's actually magic. And because they're not talking, we can at least get out of them specific location. We need exact coordinates so that we can use the pyramid technology.

Cristina: Oh, the pyramid technology. That's so complicated. Oh, I don't want to ride that. Well, it's not really a ride. It's like beaming up.

Jack: Yeah. But we will be instantly there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're using entanglement. It's just in one side, out the other, boom, we're there instantaneously. Yeah, but the idea is, is what they're using really magic or they just really, really advanced? Because if what they are using is magic, then we have a problem which is we don't necessarily understand s*** about our universe at that point. If it turns out to just be that they are so scientifically advanced that it looks like magic, that's acceptable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because adrenochrome would be the closest thing to magic we have.

Cristina: I'm assuming that they're using adrenochrome.

Jack: It could probably turn out to be adrenochrome, that they're using it somehow. Because at the end of the day, they are f****** camp people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have cats on Earth that are just feline, normal a** cats.

Cristina: Yeah. When we were worshiping cat gods, were we not with.

Jack: The question is that those cat gods end up. Were they just like a cat drank blood that was drowning in adrenaline? Thus it is adrenochrome and this cat developed hyper intelligence. And then it's like, I need more of this to sustain this intellect.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then when that happened successfully, he then gave it to other cats, bringing their intellect up, making them superior over the humans who didn't have access to it and didn't know what it was. And then these cat people became the future cat gods. But it's all just technology because adrenochrome gave them the intellect to have hyper intelligent, hyper advanced technology sooner that's possible.

Cristina: But also there's a chance we just gave it to the cat. Like we do it with a beaver. We probably did it with a bunch of random animals.

Jack: It could. It could be the case. So the argument in there would be that we in the old days used to make sacrifices to gods, and the same way Indians used to or so believe that cows are gods. Imagine giving a cow adrenochrome, except in this case, it's a cat. And it was the Egyptians and they sacrificed somebody, gave them adrenochrome drenched blood to actual cat, an actual cat. And this cat, whether it be like a lion or something, becomes super smart, super intelligent.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then bipedal and everything, like, just starts giving it to the other f******. And then all these other creatures start being born. Like, I'm in a. I'm aligned with adrenochrome and I have a cub. That cub comes out half human almost, because its physiology changes, being born with me using this all the time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then those become the gods and they're so intelligent that they have advanced technologies. And then as the rest of humanity across the world, starts gaining traction and becoming more technological, they dip and cross the universe to get the f*** away from the most dangerous creature. The human.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they just kept evolving over there. The question is, are all creatures like apes as well? We know that if you give a creature adrenochrome and then you take away adrenochrome, they become feral.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we know if you give a creature adrenochrome, they become this advanced version of themselves, right?

Cristina: Yes. Oh, you know, what did they get?

Jack: Did we as apes get adrenochrome and thus humans?

Cristina: That's why I'm gonna say yes. Because the cat people, we haven't given them blood or anything, and they're perfectly fine. We don't need blood either. We're perfectly fine if we came from something. If they came from something like a cat, the cat needed adrenochrome. But they're so far into the evolution of what they are, they don't need.

Jack: They don't need it anymore, so we.

Cristina: Don'T eat it anymore.

Jack: We didn't think of the rules of birth before because we know. Okay, so you get adrenochrome, you become something way advanced.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Right. So werewolf is the earthly version. Now, if you transcend, you become a. What was it? A wet judge. But if you get it taken away, you stay on this side and become a win dingo.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you become the feral version of the wolf. Right. So werewolves is hyper intelligent, really over now, not everybody gets intelligent, but most creatures do. In the case of humans, we were just the apes that took the adrenochrome and then reproduced on adrenochrome before going feral. Because we're just thinking of the host taking it, not what their children would be like because it is blood and it has DNA and then they reproduce on it and we're just the next generation. And you repeat that. So several cultures still take it having more children that are less dependent on it and then again less dependent on it. You repeat this over and over until you end up at a creature that doesn't need it at all.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't need it.

Jack: We don't need it.

Cristina: We do, though, in that to use the power that it gives.

Jack: Yes. So we can still benefit from it no matter what. Yeah, any living thing that uses it can still benefit from it.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Okay, now back to the bigger picture. Is God who needs to create another God? Is this part of his plan? Is God who gave it to both the cat people and gave it to the he to the like the apes to create humans? Is God just running a bunch of these experiments wherever he possibly can? And like, the closest, at least that we know of, are the cat people. They're way up there. Yeah, but we're like as far as compared to them. I guess we're just not as advanced. But we're the next best. At least compared to everything else on this planet. But maybe there's way more.

Cristina: Yeah. And wait, are the cockroach people.

Jack: Could have been. Could have been there. They were highly advanced. Nothing left.

Cristina: I mean, what else do we have?

Jack: Lizard people, the reptilians. But the reptilians aren't even from this universe. They were invaders.

Cristina: They were invaders, but from another planet or something.

Jack: The universe.

Cristina: Another universe. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. They were traveling back and forth. That's how we ended up getting that.

Jack: Portal in the center of the universe, in the center of Earth.

Cristina: Oh, it gets so complicated.

Jack: Yeah. The lore of this is.

Cristina: Yes. Well, we know he wants to make another God to die. That's for sure.

Jack: I mean, that's. It does. Maybe not to die, but, like, get the h*** out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whatever the case might be, we wouldn't understand what the next step for God is.

Cristina: I think it's the die.

Jack: You think it's. What is death at that point? Because you need to transcend death, that's all. Like, at least our understanding of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You need to get beyond the point of dying, then.

Cristina: Yeah. If you're a God, you don't need to die, do you?

Jack: I don't know what that would mean.

Cristina: What would that mean? I don't know.

Jack: Like, at least our version of death wouldn't make sense.

Cristina: Because if he's the one that's giving us energy. I don't know.

Jack: Also, weird thought. If God exists throughout all of time, wouldn't he already exist, the point at which he made the God?

Cristina: Yeah. So that doesn't work either.

Jack: That doesn't work. There's something we're not getting about that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless God is bound by time as well, and he's just a demigod. And our understanding of demigod is what's f***** up. Because maybe there is a God who's everywhere, knows everything and whatever, but he is still stuck within time.

Cristina: But the guy that we're talking about isn't God, though. He's just a person who. Or a thing that had too much adrenochrome themselves.

Jack: Yes. Because they were made the same way. They're trying to figure out how to make us because they weren't given the blueprints for how they became God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They just got there through the processes that they're trying to replicate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which then brings us to, like, vampire hunter dude, Dracula trying to replicate. And so, yes, he wants to. What is the series of steps that could lead to a perfect me?

Cristina: Why? But I don't know. I want to know why, actually. Yes, I definitely.

Jack: One of two things happen when you become godlike. One of two things. One, you completely detach and nothing matters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Superman, after he outlives everybody around him and he realizes infinite danger is always going to keep coming. I don't need to stop anything. It's going to keep happening. Dr. Manhattan just goes. Literally comes here to Mars, sits and meditates forever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or Dracula, Jehovah, trying to recreate themselves.

Cristina: Those are types of gods.

Jack: Two different types of gods.

Cristina: And then there's Deadpool, though, and he's just random.

Jack: Yeah. Deadpool's a weird one, because he exists in some sort of outer dimension thing where he can just, like, kind of not die. And like.

Cristina: Although I guess he's like a greater God than those gods in a way.

Jack: Because, I mean, I guess if the problem is he exists in a panel situation, that's really hard to even explain what's happening. Because if we assume that the page is the universe within each box.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Every single panel is inside the universe, and the page itself is the outside of the universe. He's the only character we know who is aware that there is an outside of the panel, can jump from one to the other. So I don't know what exactly is happening there. He's just a real.

Cristina: Does he know that we exist?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He knows that us, as the viewer exists, which is also weird. He knows we're reading or we're watching.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But that's why he doesn't even count. He's some sort of other s*** that's unexplainable.

Cristina: Well, that's way higher than the gods that we're talking about.

Jack: I mean, literally, Death is in love with the fact that she can't comprehend them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which then makes Thanos a jellyfuck.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He says, oh, my God, but I want your attention, Death.

Cristina: But what is God? Well, he's not Deadpool, for sure, but.

Jack: He'S not the Speed Force or the Force, because he himself is trying to use it. And his way of connecting to it is adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He himself requires adrenochrome, which means that he is not the Force. There is the other thing that is a force. And again, if we use supernatural, then we have Death, Darkness and God coming to be simultaneously or around the same time. It's not really clear who came first. We know God and Darkness happen simultaneously. We're not sure if death came first or second.

Cristina: Yes, but in our universe, our God is God. Darkness and death in one being.

Jack: That's not entirely clear, because if we follow the Bible, we literally have death, God and life God, Old Testament, New Testament.

Cristina: But they might have been the same thing.

Jack: Why would that make sense? Why would we have a guy who's all ruthlessly.

Cristina: Well, those books are wrong. So it doesn't even matter what those books say, do they?

Jack: What version of God are we using them?

Cristina: The one that we're coming up with, I guess, from what we see.

Jack: What do we see?

Cristina: He has to be all of them.

Jack: Then he wouldn't interact with anything. There'd be zero reason to interact with anything.

Cristina: Because he'd be everything but nothing.

Jack: He can't be nothing because nothing would be the force.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean.

Jack: Well, then he wouldn't need adrenochrome if he was all of everything except for the nothing. Yeah. There has to be things he's not in order to try to get to that thing.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So he has to just be.

Jack: He's some other thing that is independent from the force.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which we. So at this point, we're saying that there are five natural forces. The weak force, the strong force, electromagnetism and gravity. And the force. The force, weak force, strong force, the force, electromagnetism, gravity. Where does God fit in that he uses.

Cristina: He uses them.

Jack: None of them, actually.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Well, okay.

Cristina: What is he.

Jack: We got to go into the most abstract version of. I guess a different episode. I don't even know if we had this conversation on an episode or if you and I were just having conversations separately. In which consciousness observes the nothing and then generates the universe. It sees the universe in nothing when it observes it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So consciousness exists and nothingness, whatever word would describe whatever's happening there, the combination of them equals the five forces. So God isn't any of the five forces. God is a product of some of the forces and then tries to use some of the forces. God has to just be a being.

Cristina: Okay, He's. But he's just a being that has too much adrenochrome.

Jack: Yes. And that level of adrenal chrome allows him to use the force and manipulate. I guess it's. Manipulate all of the forces.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As God, you can create a planet, so you can create mass, which then generates immense gravity, which then has electromagnetic properties that uses the weak and strong forces. And you did that all by using the force. So all five forces. Yeah, all five forces are just products of consciousness observing nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is so complicated.

Cristina: Well, hopefully these cats gets us closer to this problem. Or not problem, this mystery.

Jack: Yeah. Because if it turns out that it is, in fact magic. What the f***?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like what? How do we consolidate that?

Cristina: It's impossible.

Jack: It's impossible.

Cristina: It can't be. It just can't.

Jack: It's too complicated.

Cristina: It's too complicated. The force is science.

Jack: The force has to be just. Yeah, it has to be just a product of the Big Bang, like everything else.

Cristina: Yeah, has to be.

Jack: The Big Bang led to all. And the Big Bang is no more than just consciousness observing nothing. Right. It has to be. And that would answer everything. All of media, all of nature. All of everything is just a product of these five different forces that control everything.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. That sounds right.

Jack: How are we able to move? It has to be that everything is inherently connected to the force and we just use things to control it more and more. But like the fact that I can talk to you right now. Something is powering me. There's something powering me no matter what.

Cristina: Yes. And it's gotta be the same thing.

Jack: The same thing. If I could tune into that more, that can use it more and maybe do weird things that seem unnatural because I'm using more of whatever is powering me.

Cristina: Mm So I had. I don't know, so many questions. I don't know. That's. It's complicated.

Jack: It is very complicated. But there is definitely a crossing, like crossing lines there. We know that at least all of anybody using powers is using the same energy potentially one way or another, different ways to use the same thing, whether it be higher. Because again, we are being kept alive. Right. Something is moving us and then gene mutation allows you to have stronger access to it. And then you got weird abilities. That makes perfect sense if it's already.

Cristina: Forcing through your body into all this though.

Jack: Zombies aren't really dead.

Cristina: Okay. They're still us.

Jack: Yeah. They just got way low brain function.

Cristina: But they are also after adrenocurl. Like what are they doing?

Jack: That's the only thing keeping them alive actually.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because when they. I. I don't know how to hunts for people. That's not right either.

Jack: But I guess it kind of is. Hunting.

Cristina: It's hunting for people, right?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What are they, what are they after?

Jack: They don't know what they're after. They just instinctively drawn to the thing that's going to keep them alive.

Cristina: Yes. And then. So they go hunt for a living person.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then once that person's dead, they move on. But.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What are they getting from that person?

Jack: The blood probably.

Cristina: Yes. That's. Isn't that straight? Well, maybe. Right, like.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What else could it be?

Jack: Well, we already also know that factually the difference between both a zombie and a vampire is how the energy is to distributed. And the one thing they have in common is blood. A vampire burns through it quickly and a zombie uses it slowly.

Cristina: What if they're actually after adrenochrome or the fear part of Adrenochrome? Since they don't need much energy, maybe that's enough to scare the person. But they still need to kill the person.

Jack: They need to kill the person. They gotta Eat. They're really eating for the blood.

Cristina: But they're not really eating. Because they're not eating. They can't eat. They're dead. There's nothing happening in their stomach.

Jack: They're not dead.

Cristina: But they're not. They're not you. That's not functioning.

Jack: Who says their body is functioning?

Cristina: Their body's functioning.

Jack: That's how they are moving.

Cristina: But their stomach is not functioning.

Jack: It might be functioning at a way slower pace.

Cristina: I feel like they're just murdering and that's it.

Jack: The fact that a zombie can starve in every version of Zombie except the ones from the Walking Dead. Oh, I guess in 28 days later. They starve in 28 days.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. I was thinking, I guess, just of the Walking Dead. Okay.

Jack: So they can pose. There's something weird about their thing in Walking Dead that's unexplained.

Cristina: Okay. So normally they need something in their tummy.

Jack: Yes. The argument would be that whatever's happening in the Walking Dead is unrelated. But if we use like, 28 days later, it takes 28 days for them to starve.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: And the only difference between a zombie and a vampire is that a vampire uses the energy rapidly because it's throwing it into crazy high stats of you run faster, you think faster, you're way stronger. While a zombie is like, none of that s***. Just. Just stamina. The end.

Cristina: That's it? Yeah.

Jack: Just stamina. Nothing else. I don't move fast, I don't think at all. It's just survival and stamina.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so a zombie can burn through it much slower while a vampire runs its energy supply quicken the needs more before they become feral.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Arguably, a zombie is always in its feral state.

Cristina: What about the feral zombies?

Jack: It's awesome.

Cristina: Oh, okay. She's in. What is it? Fallout. There's two different zombies.

Jack: Well, those zombies have nothing to do with blood or eating people. That's all radiation.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Those are alive people. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Feral zombies are people who've just gone crazy.

Cristina: Yeah. And the regular ones are just people.

Jack: Yeah. They didn't go crazy. They can handle being turned into whatever this s*** is.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Okay. So we're very aware that this is. This just got complicated. At least now I'm more motivated to ask these f****** questions, man. These cat people, dude. Like, what if the answer is that it's magic? Like, what if we get there and we find out there was no technological advancement? They really just learned how to. Then what is happening? They must have the X gene.

Cristina: Or some equivalent could be it. We gotta look into their genesis. Yeah, we do.

Jack: Yeah, we have to. Because the argument would be is what's happening with Gryffindor? Gryffindor magic. Are they really casting a magic spell when they chant, do a thing. Are we gonna have to go question some of these people?

Cristina: No, I think they're using the force like the witchers and the witches from the witcher.

Jack: They're connecting to nature somehow.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're connecting to nature.

Jack: And so even if it looks like no scientific advancement went through the cat people, it just might be connecting to the force somehow. So if we get back. Oh, it's magic. Well no, not really because magic is just a way of connecting to the force. The question is how is their method connecting to the force? That's really what we got to try to answer.

Cristina: Yes. I think that's the real thing that we need to figure out. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Because no matter what, it's probably connecting to the force.

Cristina: Mm. We gotta look into their DNA as well.

Jack: Yeah. So luckily we have a couple here that they could. We could just run some experiments on. And when we got some answers off of the ones that we're not running experiments off of, we can then get to those coordinates and go find out what's happening over there.

Cristina: Yeah. See how it turned out. They're like X men.

Jack: Yeah. Well that's why I got the sub humans. Send them in. Go murder. And we got zombies.

Cristina: And we got zombies. Yeah, we have.

Jack: We have manpower. We got what we need.

Cristina: All we need are zombies. Really.

Jack: I feel like so many of them. If when we look at the great void we're seeing them. That civilization is huge. We don't have the manpower. One zombies enough if we can get it to bite somebody and then them try to save that person and it spread.

Cristina: A cat person. We had a zombie. We one of our cat people will.

Jack: Just turn them into.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then fling them over there and be like we can save them.

Cristina: And then. Exactly. If they don't know what that is, then we're lucky.

Jack: Interesting, because it probably left before any zombie related thing happened. Then we captured there now because they were coming in and out through portals at the bottom of the ocean. Lake Loch.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: So I don't know. It depends. We'll find out. That's why this interrogation matters.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's why we're here, to answer these questions. That's really the point. Anyways, we're running out of time here. So if you guys want to Find out how the h*** we landed on any of these subjects. Because the lore of this show is so complicated. I'm not even, like, sure I get it myself.

Cristina: We try summarizing it in an episode.

Jack: Yeah. That wasn't even that long ago. There's an episode recently of us trying to summarize the lore of this show. But you can find out about the first time we talked about cat people, about the time we caught cat people. We want an adventure to hunt down these cat people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Same thing with the Reptilians. There was a whole problem there.

Cristina: Same thing with adrenochrome.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Creatures that were being created with it.

Jack: Yes. And we're sadly running. We're kind of bad people, but whatever. You know, we do things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Science.

Cristina: And somehow that related to God. Somehow. I don't know.

Jack: God needs adrenochrome, too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah, whatever. You could find all the episodes connected to all of this. You can find all those things on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: You can also find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter usConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to rate, review, and most importantly, subscribe to the show. If you are subscribed, you can get us anywhere. And then you can try. You can try to follow whatever crazy nonsense we're doing right now. And also you can find me on the stereo app having conversations with complete strangers. Sometimes like this, sometimes like when we have guests. Sometimes I come across trolls and we just troll.

Cristina: Sometimes it's live. Sometimes you gotta look at past stuff.

Jack: Yeah, Sometimes I'm there live. Sometimes you just check out past stuff. It's all there.

Cristina: And also tell somebody about the show.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, highly important. You can share the show by talking to people and telling them that we're trying to solve the world's most baffling problems. We're trying to find out what God is after. If cat people are using magic, if the Gryffindors are using magic, what the force really is. Is it the fifth. The fifth force? The fifth natural force of the universe? Yeah. So depressing questions.

Cristina: Yes. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Just because people quit. Just because people are asking it doesn't mean the answer is yes.

Jack: Feces are mostly made of water, about 75%. The rest is made of dead bacteria that helped us digest our food. Living bacteria, protein. Undigested food residue known as Fiber, waste, material from food, cellular lining, fat salts and substances released from the intestines such as mucus and the liver.

Cristina: It doesn't sound alive.

Jack: It is consisting of cellular lining and living bacteria.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Poop alive.

Cristina: No, it has living things in it. But it's not alive.

Jack: No, the poop is made of.

Cristina: It's mostly made of water.

Jack: Yes, but we're mostly made of air. So what's Your point? We're 99% air and it still looks like there's a person here. Yeah, they are less air. They're less poo is less nothing than we are. F*** with it.

Cristina: Pooh is dead bacteria and living bacteria, and that's probably.

Jack: I don't know who's alive. And ironically, poo is more alive than we are because we are 99% air and poo is 75% water.

Cristina: But do we consider water as a living thing?

Jack: No, I'm saying that there is more percentage of living stuff because water is only 75% instead of 99%. It's not 99% water. That means that 25% is the other.

Cristina: Stuff, which includes living things. But we don't know what the percentage of living thing is. It could be like 1%.

Jack: Then they're as alive as we are.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we are 1% living thing. We're 1%? Yes. Actually, we're 1% anything. Our bones aren't alive and that's a huge part of who we are. That isn't air. So what percentage of us is like you? Think about it. Right now, we're breaking down the construct of what life is and we.

Cristina: And you're including poop in this.

Jack: Poo is alive.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: Poo is the next thing we add to the list. The sun, fire, Poo.

Cristina: Doesn't he need multiple things to be considered alive?

Jack: Unless it's made of cells, in which case it goes straight to the top, regardless of how many other things it chucks off the list.

Cristina: But it's not really made out of cells. It's like cell bat. Like leftover. Leftover cells of what it was.

Jack: Yes, but it still cells. No, it's still living cells. That's. That's the problem.

Cristina: It says cellular lining. That doesn't mean. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are release.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody, grab them gently by the hand and pull them forcefully after you've grabbed them gently by the hand into the den where the podcast is already playing, and there's a bunch of drug addicts doing nothing but listening to this podcast in the middle of them sticking syringes with God knows what serums into their veins. You pull this person into that place, horrified, terrified for their lives, while this is playing in the background, and you make sure they listen to this show.

Cristina: Are you also horrified and terrified?

Jack: Why would you go somewhere you're horrified and terrified of?

Cristina: Oh, I thought it was like you went into the den, but you didn't know what you were going to see in the den either.

Jack: I mean, then what, you just happened to, like, you chase the sound of the podcast? No, because you needed to already know the podcast is playing, which means you know the place.

Cristina: Like, Mary, you just put the podcast there, walked away. When you came back with the other person, then you're both kind of horrified about what you found.

Jack: That's weird. So you just came in a bunch of. In that short time, a bunch of f****** heroin users and like, meth. Liquefied meth users or whatever showed up. Can you imagine? That'd be f****** crazy.

Cristina: Yes. But this person. Okay, so you brought this person to the den with drug addicts. Are you also one.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know what these people do in their personal lives. Maybe. Maybe they're just cool with drug addicts. Yeah, it is completely possible that that's a scenario taking place right now. Just a bunch of our listeners are casually okay with, like, heroin addicts. They just live in house, or not even live in houses with them, but they just. They, for whatever reason, know heroin addicts. I don't know. They, for whatever reason, know about drug dens, drug dens that they're familiar with enough to know that the show is.

Cristina: Playing there in audit drug dens. In.

Jack: In this particular drug den that they went to.

Cristina: Well, how many listeners do we have so that. That still feels like a lot.

Jack: A lot of people going to drug dens.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless they're all going to the same ones.

Jack: All our listeners are drug users.

Cristina: Are they not all doing this together?

Jack: No, there's one. One of them.

Cristina: One of them, one of them.

Jack: Usually there's an array of people doing an array of things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I pick one person who's doing something specific and I talk about them. Like the woodsman.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, so it's not every listener.

Jack: Yeah. There isn't like a fuckton of woodsmen. There was a woodsman.

Cristina: Oh, I imagine it was every.

Jack: So to make this totally clear, all our listeners are cancer. Having woodsmen who do drugs in drug.

Cristina: Density and also do all these other things. You've always mentioned every single thing. I thought you were like. That's why I didn't understand why they'd come back to listen, because I thought. Oh. Or unless it was the person they. The next person that they got to listen, they're the ones going through it now. Is that what's happening?

Jack: I don't know if they listened again. I guess they have to be a committed listener after the first time listening.

Cristina: No, I mean like the person that they're. They forced to listen.

Jack: Yeah. They have to become a committed listener in order for that to happen. So they have to listen to the next episode in order to hear being told to find somebody else to listen.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But it's different people. Okay. That makes more sense.

Jack: The way humans work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How there's this human and then, wait for it, there's that human. Whoa.

Cristina: But they're all doing something similar either way, even if just one at a time.

Jack: The only thing they have in common.

Cristina: Is the podcast and that they're forcing someone to listen to it.

Jack: I hope.

Cristina: You hope? Yeah.

Jack: I don't know that for a fact.

Cristina: Yeah. But then the stories that you're talking about them are that. Is that really happening or is that what you're hoping they will do?

Jack: No, there's at least one person. There's so many people. There's at least one person going through what I'm talking about.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bare minimum, there's one person doing it.

Cristina: What? Okay.

Jack: That's how it goes.

Cristina: Yeah, that's how it goes. Okay. But they're all dying from cancer.

Jack: Yeah. Anybody who listens by default gets cancer. There's nothing we could do about that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That makes sense.

Jack: And even if we could, it removes the incentive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you. You don't want to die in vain. You don't want to just have cancer. Because you listen to the show now. You need to spread that cancer out.

Cristina: Hi.

Jack: Because otherwise you got cancer for no reason. There must be a purpose to your life.

Cristina: And the purpose is to give someone else cancer.

Jack: No, it's to get somebody else to listen. They'll just catch cancer because then the rules.

Cristina: Okay, so they're. They're not even doing it to get the other person cancer, even though they know the other person is going to get cancer.

Jack: No, they're just trying to get the other person to listen to a show they love that happen to give them cancer.

Cristina: They still love us.

Jack: The content is superior to the outcome.

Cristina: Oh, wow. Okay. And we gave them a purpose.

Jack: We gave them a purpose, which was get more listeners.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: It's the cult.

Cristina: It is a cult.

Jack: It is a cult.

Cristina: It's so wrong, though, why these are giving them cancer.

Jack: They're cool with it.

Cristina: We can't just give them more cancer, right?

Jack: No, they just. I mean, unless somebody has, like, super cancer.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe one of them has super cancer.

Jack: The most cancer y cancer of them all.

Cristina: Different types of cancers. Can one person have different types at one time?

Jack: I'm sure that's a thing that could happen in, like, the real world.

Cristina: Like, that must be super rare, though. But one of our listeners might have multiple.

Jack: Yeah, somebody might have several kinds of cancer. I'm sure there's somebody with, like, lung cancer that also has, like, skin cancer.

Cristina: Yes. That's horrible.

Jack: Has to be possible.

Cristina: It has to be. Right? Right. Unless cancer is picky and it's like, you can only have one.

Jack: It's weird because, like, cancer is f*****, though, because, like, we can't do. I think there's a cure for cancer, right? There would have to be.

Cristina: Why does there have to be?

Jack: Because enough money thrown at anything solves any problem. And we don't have an incentive to stop cancer because in the pharmaceutical companies run out of business because that's one of the big money makers.

Cristina: But it's not the biggest money maker.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: Probably about the flu. Isn't that super big?

Jack: No, it's just easy to make a lot of s*** for.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like in reality, like, cancer is one of the big kahunas. Cancer, aids, all these f****** things that are, like, easy to stop.

Cristina: Think AIDS is easy to stop.

Jack: AIDS is not even that problematic. There's so much s*** that can hold you alive for quite some time but.

Cristina: Not get rid of it.

Jack: But not get rid of it. You know what's the craziest One that. It's always weird to me. Herpes.

Cristina: Why is that? Because it's not, like, lethal, but it could become lethal.

Jack: I guess, maybe.

Cristina: Why? What's the big deal? Like, I know it's what it is.

Jack: Sores. You get sores. Okay. How horrible. And, like, only if you have an outbreak. Yeah, but we equate herpes to aids. AIDS kills the inside of your body and you catch anything, you die. Herpes. Oh, I itch like, a little. If I have an outbreak, maybe.

Cristina: Yeah. But why are people freaked out about herpes?

Jack: I don't know. Because it has STD the same way the f****** AIDS does. They're both STDs.

Cristina: Oh, so we just lump them all together.

Jack: Yeah, we're like, STDs are all together. You can literally get rid of chlamydia forever. You can just not have chlamydia after you had chlamydia.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: That's a thing you could just eradicate in your body. But we're like std.

Cristina: Oh, no. Oh, okay.

Jack: It's weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: That's strange, right?

Cristina: Yeah. I didn't realize that. It is just sores.

Jack: It is just sores. It's so f****** strange. I think people are just scared that it's the end of their sex life and so they make a giant big deal about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is like maybe juice protection, though.

Cristina: Yeah. Or just like take breaks in sex, you know, like until the sore goes away. Because isn't that the thing with it? It comes and goes.

Jack: You can still spread it.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Although you have no source.

Cristina: Really. Yeah. Oh, I thought it had to be there.

Jack: Yeah. It's less likely, but it's so possible. It's just use protection. I gotta use a condom for the rest of my life. Boohoo, loser. The.

Cristina: Well, that's how you would avoid in the first place.

Jack: Yeah. That's how you would have dodged this bullet to begin with. And by not dodging the bullet, now you're obligated to do the thing.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's crazy. It's. So many of these f****** things are like that. Really? Really? Aids, hiv. That's it, aids.

Cristina: Wait, one doesn't one become the other.

Jack: HIV could become aids. Yeah, I'm sure you can just catch AIDS right out though, right? Like you could catch hiv. Or you could just get like flat out AIDS in one shot. No, no, you need to get hiv.

Cristina: I don't know. I. I always thought it was one, then came the other. But I don't know if you could.

Jack: Just get AIDS because Magic Johnson had hiv. Did he cure HIV before it became aids?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Could you cure HIV and not aids? And so we make a big deal about HIV the way we do like f****** chlamydia and herpes. When in reality it's not.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. There's so many things, there's so many STDs.

Jack: But here's the problem. Pharmaceutical companies have no need to eradicate these things. It would not be beneficial.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because preventative medicine prevents return business.

Cristina: So you just put a band aid on it?

Jack: Yeah. If preventative medicine prevents return business, then preventing return business means no money. But you are a business first.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So if you cure the problem, then you don't have that patient anymore. Which that patient is really. What's another name? Customer.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And you always want customers to come back to the store.

Cristina: That's why light bulbs. I saw that recently about light bulbs that they last a specific amount of time that's calculated. Just because they don't. They need the competition, they need the business. Like if someone was selling from that lasted way longer because they could do it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They'd just get all the company. Like there's no competition if someone.

Jack: Yeah. It's a double edged sword. Because if you're the company who made the infinite lasting light bulb, of course it wouldn't last for infinity, but it would last really long. So you can make a light bulb to last 10 years. Right. And everybody else says light bulb lasts six months. Now the problem is everybody's gonna go buy your light bulbs. Yes.

Cristina: But then you won't have business. You won't have business until 10 years.

Jack: Exactly. Every one person that bought isn't coming back for 10 years.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: It's a weird problem to have. Right.

Cristina: Cuz your business and there's no business.

Jack: There'S no business in that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you need to create crap in order for people to come and buy the crap. But you can't make quality. Really?

Cristina: No. Because then people won't come back to agree upon the quality that's gonna be.

Jack: Yep. You can always beat the competition by going over. But then you're also going to have people showing up less often.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You need to be so well known that you can survive off of word alone.

Cristina: You can do what like the phone companies do. They have, they try to have one thing that's better than all the other phones, but everything else is the same. Like this phone will have the best camera. But everything else sucks as much as every Other phone.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Like, they're not that much different iPhones and Androids or anything, but they'll just come with something. Just one thing.

Jack: Which they probably agreed on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Secretly behind closed doors. Well, this is the thing. We are. You can't. You can't do this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or we're gonna have this phone. That means you could have one phone that does the same thing. And whatever the most loyal to, they'll buy.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. And that's what we do, too. We just buy the phone. That is what we're most loyal to. I don't know why, but that's what you do. I feel like a lot of people do, especially iPhone people. Just buy.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Because iPhones suck now. We lost jobs and iPhone went down.

Cristina: The drain with it, but it hasn't lost anyone, I think.

Jack: You think? I know a lot of people who went from iPhone to Android.

Cristina: Oh, I do too, actually. And I do know also the same loyal people of iPhone Fair.

Jack: I know about as many. Yeah. I know people who are loyal in the other direction, too, who just don't move from Android.

Cristina: That's true. And they probably will never try anything else but Android. Like, no one's experimental in that way.

Jack: Yeah. It's like PlayStation people will always be PlayStation people and Xbox people will always be Xbox people, even if Xbox is inferior by kind of every margin. Less powerful. Wacker graphics. No f****** exclusives.

Cristina: No games.

Jack: No games. Like, it's all the same s***. All they got going for them right now is that game passing.

Cristina: That game passing. That's pretty good, though, I guess. For now.

Jack: Now, here's a case in which having the product that lasts a really long time is more important because you don't want people repeatedly buying a PlayStation. Because you need to sell games, and if there's a gap in the middle, then you got a problem. So you need a PlayStation that's durable. This is the proof that things can last a really long time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: These consoles are made to last 10, 20 years.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, that's a thing we could just f****** do. Because they're trying to sell the software, not the hardware. They need you to have the hardware so they can sell you the software.

Cristina: That's interesting. Yeah. So they have to make it durable.

Jack: So they have to make it durable opposite to the light bulb. Like, there's nothing you're adding to that light bulb. No, it's the light bulb they're trying to sell.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the light bulb needs to expire so that you come back and get another one.

Cristina: Yes. And. But do the systems have to eventually expire?

Jack: No, because the games moved on to the better software.

Cristina: And the better software to the better hardware.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Which one is. Wait, the hardware is the system?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah. And the better hardware. It's getting harder to prove the hardware is better.

Jack: Yes. There was a article explaining how humans capacity to tell graphical graphic difference has stopped since the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

Cristina: Yes. But people really believe that there is.

Jack: Yeah. So the idea is the games themselves. We can tell by looking. Oh, this looks better than that game. Yeah, 100%. But it's because we didn't have the capacity back then. Now that system, through updates reached its peak to the point that it has the capacity to render the same level of graphic that something later does.

Cristina: Like the PlayStation 4.

Jack: Yes. Like the PlayStation 4 is really, really overpowered. But also most of our eyes can't tell most things. It's really up to how the developers are using the technology. They get more clever with it to come up with tricks to make things more believable and move in different ways that convince our mind. But graphic wise, our brains have kind of capped off. Our eyes can only see so much and we've already hit that peak. So it's about how we make the world respond to trick our brains into believing, oh, this is more real than it is.

Cristina: But they're still trying to sell the newer systems on the graphics.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even if it doesn't matter anymore.

Jack: This is, this is the problem. Right. There are scenarios in which the graphics do matter. So if you have a cutscene and you have a close up of a character.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, now that character's face is covering the whole screen. Now you don't have a tiny character that looks human at a distance. Now you have an upgrade close look of this character. Now your eye needs all the pixels possible because it's not one little point. They're far away. And this many pixels make them up. No, they are the screen. And now you can see the illusion that was taking place far away doesn't hold up up close.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's still important.

Jack: It's still important to some degree, yeah.

Cristina: Do you think a better TV helps?

Jack: Not really. None of this s*** really matters because while we're playing a game, we tune out most of it. It's only when the people who stop to look to break.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, people who stop and let me get all up and close onto this person's face to see how real it looks. Those people see the flaws. But those people were Already not immersed. They were intentionally breaking reality. Let's go do something. So they didn't give a s*** in the first place about how real it was. They wanted to prove it wasn't.

Cristina: Yes. Like the details in Last of Us Two that we didn't even notice. Like, them opening those doors. Like normal people open doors. Like no one paid attention.

Jack: No, no, no. It's not that nobody paid attention. This is where you're completely wrong for one basic reason. If something is done right, it goes unnoticed because it doesn't stand out as wrong.

Cristina: But then in part one, did you notice? Was it like, oh, no, that wouldn't be how they do this thing.

Jack: Well, no, it was less good. But it was good enough to not matter.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, the game itself was good enough that it didn't really matter. Those small details, like, it's nice that they're there.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. If those details weren't there, you'd notice if they walked up to the door and it flew open, you would notice.

Cristina: And it flew open. I don't know. It depends on, I think, how the characters react to, like, if they're so still. I don't know. I guess the detail is pretty crazy. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, you don't notice it happening because it looks so normal that it's an afterthought. Yeah, but if they walk up to the door, don't touch it, and they move their hand in a way, like if they're scooping something that's not even there and then the door flies open, they're like, yeah, that's the motion for opening a door. Like, that's weird. But you'll get over it and keep playing the game.

Cristina: Yeah. Like Resident Evil games, Doors never mattered. They've always been annoying in that game.

Jack: Yeah. But you are aware that it looks unnatural.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're not unaware. You just learn to tune it out.

Cristina: Yeah. So ridiculous.

Jack: While when it's particularly high quality in the game, it goes over your head because you never noticed it was perfect. You have to be looking for perfection in order to see it.

Cristina: But should we be looking for that? Should we have that in our games? Is that that important?

Jack: Free immersion. Yeah. You do get pulled out when things are ridiculously fake. When somebody walks up to a door, makes a motion that isn't opening a door, but they just want you to understand that that's the motion for opening a door. And then the door flies open, you're like, well, what a weird way to open the. Now you know, inherently. Yeah. He Opened the door, whatever. Yeah, but it's not as perfect in your mind. The fact that you even had to acknowledge. Oh, that's how door opens at any given moment.

Cristina: What if the game is cartoony, though? Like would. Does that take away from the immersion? Because it's not realistic, but purp. Not realistic.

Jack: It depends on the person. That was a way general question. Like, I don't know. Depends on who's playing and why they're.

Cristina: Playing like a Mario game.

Jack: Like, are they playing for the immersion? Are they playing for the realism? Are they playing for the platforming?

Cristina: Who plays for the realism? That's a weird way to play.

Jack: What do you mean? Isn't that what like a simulator is?

Cristina: I guess I don't play enough simulators.

Jack: Simulators like they are for realism. That's the point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's somebody literally playing for the realism of doing the thing that they couldn't do in real life.

Cristina: Yes. Like those farm farmer.

Jack: Yeah. Not everybody has a farm, but some.

Cristina: People can go and farm, ride those trucks. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: That's a thing that happens. Depends on the game or what matters.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

Jack: There's an infinite number of players, so there must be an infinite number of ways to play.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But all those things are. Selling that software in the first place is the reason that they don't need to make s***** consoles.

Cristina: Because then they just have to worry about the amount of games they have.

Jack: Yes. Which as technology has moved forward, has become way more efficient because you just need to develop the game. You don't need a hundred million billion physical copies anymore. Although a bunch of people still make physical copies. They're trying to phase that out intentionally because that's more money.

Cristina: It's more money to have it all digital.

Jack: Yeah. Because you don't have to create all the discs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And disc boxes and all this bullshit.

Cristina: That's extra money. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, that's extra money. Well, whereas when it's fully digital, you just upload the one file.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then everybody downloads the one file.

Cristina: But when it comes to the most games, that's got to be the computer.

Jack: Yeah. The computer has everything that's on Xbox, everything that's on PlayStation and its own series of everything. One thing it doesn't have access to is Nintendo.

Cristina: That's. Yeah, that's impossible. That's just Nintendo.

Jack: Yeah. Somehow they've successfully functioned off of sharing with nobody.

Cristina: Yes. But they end up getting other people's games anyway. Everyone wants to share with them because.

Jack: They know that it's always the Third console.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if it's there, at least we'll still make money.

Cristina: Yeah. They need two more cross play games. That's what I want to see more of. Like, come on, everyone has their consoles already. Just give us the ability to play with each other.

Jack: That really is going. That's gonna happen. It's gonna keep happening. Games that are shared amongst all the consoles are probably gonna have cross play. Call of Duties of the World, the Battlefields of the world, the Rocket Leagues of the world. Anything that has players on many different systems.

Cristina: Does Rocket League already have that? I know Call of Duty.

Jack: Rocket League was one of the first.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I believe so, if I'm not mistaken.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But yeah, I think so because it's just a lot of different systems that have the same games.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Was Rocket league just a PlayStation thing? No, I'm pretty sure Rocket League is on many consoles.

Cristina: PlayStation, I feel like. Yeah, I can see that on Nintendo. It makes sense.

Jack: I don't know if it is, but yeah, yeah, I can totally see that there too.

Cristina: And I know Call of Duty is on everything. Probably not to not Nintendo though, but.

Jack: They have a version of Call of Duty Zone Nintendo that's like watered down.

Cristina: Oh yeah, There's a multiplayer.

Jack: Don't have it. Yeah. But yes. So that's definitely why a bunch of bullshit needs to be sold. Everybody likes to make bull crap. Just all the crap.

Cristina: Because that's what makes money.

Jack: That's what makes money. Yes. That's the same problem again. Back to pharmaceutical companies. You need people to come buy the light bulb.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The light bulb is the medicine. If your medicine stops the problem, what's the point? They don't come back for the medicine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You stopped the customer.

Cristina: So you have to get them hooked on it.

Jack: You got it.

Cristina: Not even hooked. But they have to believe they need it.

Jack: Yes. So the idea would be if you have pain, rather than giving you something that cures you of pain, I'll give you something that temporarily suppresses the pain. Now you can cope through life, but eventually that will wear off and then you come back for more.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's horrible. Yeah.

Jack: There's some f***** up nature to it, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The solution to this problem in reality is you put. You remove the ability for pharmaceutical companies to be owned by private industry and you put them all on the government. There's a reason this would work, because the government money would be what's being used. The money that goes into politician pockets. They will make sure your problem is f****** solved.

Cristina: So they can stop putting money into it.

Jack: So they can stop putting money into it. Every. There's. There's. We have an AIDS problem. Well, we gotta f****** get rid of the saves problem because I need that money in my f****** pocket. And if we keep f****** giving them remedies and they keep coming, we got to keep making the medicine.

Cristina: Aren't they the ones in charge of schools? They're not. I thought they were doing a horrible job at that.

Jack: Well, they need people to go to the schools, and they get charged for the school. Well, they distribute s***** money. They. The other schools are privately owned.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And there's redlining surrounding schools.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So your community must support the school. But if your community is of low income, then your school is also of low income, rather than each state supplying all the schools equally.

Cristina: Oh, that's messed up.

Jack: Yeah, there's a s***** system funding schools.

Cristina: Okay, districts.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: Districts. Yeah, that's problematic.

Jack: While when you're talking about the pharmaceutical industry, if the. If pharmaceuticals are free because they are by the government and the government has to take care of its people, there's no way in h*** they're gonna let you stay sick. They can't afford it. They're gonna make sure, by any means necessary, you're f****** cured. If we have less citizens, then we have less tax money. You can't be dead.

Cristina: Is that why free health care works in other countries?

Jack: Yes, because they need to solve the problem.

Cristina: Interesting. Oh, yeah.

Jack: When it's run by private companies, they need your customer. Your customer. They don't get paid with tax dollars. They get paid by your return business. Yeah, but if you, the person, the patient, doesn't pay a dime because your government is supposed to make sure you're healthy, then they will 100% make sure you're healthy and get you the f*** out so you don't have to come back. But if you're dead, also no tax money. That's problematic.

Cristina: So you got to keep you healthy.

Jack: They got to keep you healthy. They got to make sure you are in a healthy condition. Not going to the doctor regularly.

Cristina: Amazing. Amazing.

Jack: That's the solution.

Cristina: And it is a solution in other places.

Jack: Yes. 100%.

Cristina: So crazy. We see that. And just. Just in jealousy or envy.

Jack: Yes, Capitalism. And capitalism destroys s***. The I'm better than you mentality. But some people are so poor, all they have is money, man. And that's like a reality in this country. Some people are so sad and poor that all they have is money. They got nothing else to live for.

Cristina: Do you Mean.

Jack: What do you mean? What?

Cristina: I mean that they're so poor they only have money.

Jack: Yeah. How pathetic of a human to only have money. And that's the one thing they have in life.

Cristina: They don't have anything else, like no friends or family.

Jack: You mean they don't. They don't have value in their life?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because purpose.

Jack: Value, meaning that's wealth.

Cristina: That's what they're missing.

Jack: You can have riches and no wealth. That's why they're different words.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could have friends, family, love, excitement, enjoyment, fun, health.

Cristina: Without the money.

Jack: Without the money.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless you're Kat Von D. You have all of it.

Jack: Sure. I doubt all of it, but okay.

Cristina: No, she has, well, the wealth. And I'm sure she loves the art.

Jack: Yeah, but she's, like, miserable all the time. All her art is about how sad she is.

Cristina: Really. Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Anywho, the point is that you don't need the money. Those people are sad. Some people have money and they're happy, but, like, most people aren't because they keep trying to get more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's their one thing. It's like, well, one day filled a hole, and it's like, no, you're not. No, you're not. You keep trying. The reason you're still trying is because you haven't filled the hole yet. You're still trying.

Cristina: Like Elon Musk, rich people.

Jack: Well, Elon Musk has purpose. That's something different. He doesn't give a s*** about the money. And when he happens to be, like, a product of what he does.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His passion is being lazy.

Cristina: His passion is being lazy.

Jack: So he overproduces to ease his life and be lazy.

Cristina: Mm. Mm.

Jack: Like, some people do have purpose. He goes out there and he makes stuff. People might talk all the s*** in the world about Jeff Bezos, but he just has ideas and he puts them into play. Yeah, sometimes you're maliciously executed, but whatever. Not malicious. He just doesn't care. Morally speaking, malicious is like Zucker, f*****. That guy's goal is money. But that's also why he's a pathetic loser.

Cristina: Yes. He's probably have no happiness.

Jack: Yeah, he doesn't have, like, goals in life. He just had, like, money is the goal. Everything else is a means to the money.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay.

Jack: Bezos didn't give a s*** about the money. He was doing things. He was like, oh, I want to make this sounds like a good idea. And that sounds like a good idea. And this and that. These are people with purpose. The money isn't what makes them happy. It is just something they have.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A lot of. But it's something they have, which some.

Cristina: People, that's the case. And some people, it's more like.

Jack: Exactly. Bill Gates, filthy rich, does a million things, though. He enjoys all of it. He just keeps doing things and finding new things to do and going to help people and sharing his money with people. Doesn't care because the money doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. With his. He is trying to help people. Although now he's become the bad guy in a lot of people's view. I can't tell how they got this information where he's a villain. Well, he's such a villain character.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because of this whole pandemic thing. I don't know. Just because he warned people. Now he's bad.

Jack: Conspiracy theory psychopaths want to find a problem with anything.

Cristina: They need someone to be the source of the problem.

Jack: Yeah. They need there to be a villain.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: And he knew.

Cristina: And he knew. He knew.

Jack: He talked about it. He knew. He's part of the cause or whatever.

Cristina: All he wanted to do was turn poop into clean water.

Jack: And then he's got vaccines in mind and he's like, this is how they've helped fund them. He helped scientists. He did what he had to to get vaccines out when people. Well, he's not a doctor. Yeah. But he was also not into making f****** vaccines. But in their eyes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He went in the lab, f****** poured some chemicals together, walked outside and he's like, I got a vaccine. It's like, no. He paid chemists.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And biologists just to work together and make a f****** vaccine.

Cristina: Yeah. There was another wealthy person during this whole thing that gave a lot of her money to the vaccine cure. She donated it. No one saw her as an evil villain because of it.

Jack: It's because he's also out there pushing it. Well, Bill Gates is saying, take it, don't take it. Must be corrupted. Like, why?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they have nanobytes in the nanobots. Nanobytes in it. That's so crazy.

Jack: Or chips.

Cristina: Or chips.

Jack: You're getting chipped. What do you mean, nanobots?

Cristina: I don't. That was one of the things. I don't know how, but the shots have nanobots.

Jack: I thought it was chips. You were getting chipped.

Cristina: It's. There's so many different versions of it that you're picky about it. I don't know.

Jack: No, I didn't hear.

Cristina: Oh, nano.

Jack: Anything about nanobots. I only Heard about the chips.

Cristina: Yep. There's also nanobots that they put chips.

Jack: In you to track you.

Cristina: Well, chips are old. That's always been a thing. The new thing is nanobots.

Jack: What are the nanobots gonna do?

Cristina: Control your brain.

Jack: Is that the goal?

Cristina: I think so. I think it's always about mind control.

Jack: But, like, you go on Facebook.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's good enough.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't need all this advanced robotic technology to. You go on Facebook and you believe that there are conspiracy theories surrounding vaccine. Vaccines. There are conspiracy theories surrounding the moon landing. There are conspiracy theories surrounding presidents and reptilians and f****** adrenochrome and, like, pizza places with children in the basement.

Cristina: Like, all of that is through Facebook.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, Facebook's the villain.

Jack: You don't need nanobots if you're already dumb enough to believe, being brainwashed, that there are nanobots. If you're stupid enough to believe there are nanobots inside of a syringe being put into your bloodstream to go affect your brain.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They don't need nanobots inside of a syringe to control your brain. Facebook convinced you already. You don't. That's crazy. That's a weird paradox, isn't it? If you believe it, they don't need it.

Cristina: They don't. Oh, yes.

Jack: Because you're already that gullible.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. You just. The. There's nothing. Like. They should just end Facebook. They know they should just end it because of all this fake news. That is so people just eat it up. They're told that it's fake and beware.

Jack: They don't give a s***. No, no, no, no, no.

Cristina: They just eat it.

Jack: And all of us know these people. We all know these people who are personally.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: There's nobody who doesn't know somebody on Facebook. And if you know somebody on Facebook book.

Cristina: You know, somebody who's read an article title or something.

Jack: Yeah. Somebody who's on a team based on Facebook.

Cristina: Yes. Who read about how cereals poisoning you or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did no source research. No, no.

Cristina: But someone made a video explaining how it's.

Jack: And they believe it. They believe it. Yep. That's how it goes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's what Facebook is for. To brainwash a bunch of people into believing that there are a million different problems going on.

Cristina: So crazy. And I'm sure it spread to the other apps too. I'm sure it's an Instagram and Tick Tock and what is it? Twitter. But because the same people. Main source.

Jack: Because the same people who have Facebook want to share what they've learned to other with everybody else. And it's like, well, I have all these other social medias. I gotta go talk about this thing I found out, this destroying the world.

Cristina: Yeah. Let me make a video on Twitter.

Jack: And just spread like wildfires. The source is Facebook.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it just keeps spreading and people are like, well, no, those are the righties. Or those are the. No, it's all of you. It's all of you. All sides.

Cristina: It's all sides.

Jack: If you are on a team, you fell for it.

Cristina: And if you're on Facebook, you fell. You probably fell for it.

Jack: Well, if you're on Facebook, you're on a team.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. If you're on the team, you fell for it. And if you're on the team, you're on Facebook.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: That's how it goes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then there's the people who are like, well, no, Facebook is corrupt. I'm gonna go to this other website that does exactly the same thing, but.

Cristina: For my team that's probably owned by Facebook.

Jack: It's probably owned by Facebook or supported by Facebook.

Cristina: There's so many apps. Other apps that's owned by Facebook.

Jack: The other Trump ones.

Cristina: The Trump ones, yeah.

Jack: Because Facebook is like, it's so leftist and they're. They're censoring us here. So I'm gonna go somewhere where my type of people are at. You mean where you're gonna shut down the left ideology and have confirmation bias about your ideology instead of be somewhere where they have confirmation bias about their ideology so that you can say we're right? Because people are telling you you're right the same way people were telling them they're right when you were telling them they're wrong. So the same s***, but over there.

Cristina: Yes, fun. What do you care from that confirmation bias?

Jack: You feel good. You're like, yeah, yeah, I'm smart. I. I'm part of the in crowd. I know they're the stupid ones.

Cristina: I know now I gotta block them and never talk to them again.

Jack: Yeah, that happened so much starting like 20. Actually, it started in 2016.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. People siding with Trump people. No, he's a monster.

Cristina: Oh, my God. I know. People who didn't like Trump, who just stopped being friends with people who supported Trump.

Jack: Yeah, you can see that on social media everywhere. No Trump supporters. If you support Trump, don't follow me.

Cristina: It's hilarious. All these Trump people are probably hiding or something, or at least around here.

Jack: Yeah, man, that's f****** crazy.

Cristina: That Facebook's crazy.

Jack: That everybody's crazy.

Cristina: Everyone's crazy. Yeah.

Jack: Yep. Everybody's got their own special brand of crazy. And everybody's got their own little confirmation bias bubble thing that they are following through with.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: We're not trying to fix problems. Nobody's trying to fix problems. Everybody just want to scream the loudest.

Cristina: Or blame someone else for the problem. Yeah.

Jack: When at the end of the day, the problem is made by the same people who you are following. Make the government solve everything. The government will if they have to pay for themselves.

Cristina: That's the solution.

Jack: That's the solution. Hold the government accountable. They want to. Look, people are trying to get rich off the government. They become politicians. They pocket money. Easy tax money, Easiest f****** way to get money. So make the. This is why they don't want to pay for s***. They will do whatever the f*** they can to convince you private industry is what matters. Well, no, make the government pay for things that require human, like human rights. Make them pay for human rights and health and education and all these things out of their own pocket and distribute it evenly to anyone and everyone and you will see a problem. They will immediately, immediately do whatever the f*** to solve the issue.

Cristina: If only we can come together to do that, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The whole team thing really stops that.

Jack: Yeah, well, their goal is the whole team's thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They need us to fight each other so that we don't realize that they're giving us bullshit that doesn't work and allowing companies to do things privately and f*** everybody over because we don't have to pay for it. We keep them fighting that industry is the problem. And then we don't have to pay for the things that we can easily cover with the tax money that they've already given us to cover those things and we can pocket that money.

Cristina: Is giving them money.

Jack: The industry pays them. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, what?

Jack: Yeah, the industry pays them because the industry makes so much money off of f****** robbing these people, but they pay them to, like, keep it this way.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Keep it this way. You make money, we make money. But if the industry doesn't make money and the government is the one paying for it, based on the tax dollars, if it is even cut just enough for all the things that matter to be covered and a little surplus for the politicians to decide what goes to that little surplus is suddenly not enough. And they're like, well, we can't steal this now because it'll be obvious there's not absurd monies flying everywhere in every direction, which means we need to solve the problem so that people don't come back. So that there's a lot of money sitting around so that then we can scoop off the top and nobody notices that there's a little bit missing.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know if that's a good thing. That's a great thing, I guess. Sounds bad, but it's better than what's.

Jack: Happening now where private companies get the shafts people. It's the same thing as the prison system.

Cristina: We should stop that.

Jack: Yeah. The prison system is like a pharmaceutical company with humans. With humans.

Cristina: That's pretty horrible.

Jack: They just give s***** service. But it's. I guess it's slavery.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Slavery.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We pay them well. You pay them so little intentionally so you don't really have to waste money so little.

Cristina: They pay them in cents.

Jack: Yeah. 8 cents an hour or some s*** like that.

Cristina: It's crazy. Just slavery. I don't know.

Jack: That's the 13th amendment.

Cristina: You gotta change that. We gotta change colleges.

Jack: Colleges should be paid for by the government.

Cristina: Yes. Because I feel like in that case kids are being sort of slaved.

Jack: Yeah. People are being convinced to be go into debt, into tremendous amounts of debt. People who are not allowed to drink alcohol yet. People who are not allowed to make choices about their own life yet they can't go buy cigarettes, they can't go buy alcohol.

Cristina: Gamble.

Jack: They can't gamble. You can get into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt. We can send you to war to die because that's beneficial for us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But that same person we sent to war to die. No, you can't buy alcohol yet. That's not legal. You can go die because we said it's okay. Go die. You're gonna make us money because we're over there stealing some s*** anyways. But no, you can't buy alcohol. We need your brain to be in great condition so that we can abuse it.

Cristina: Oh, the brain damage. Oh, they should have. But the rules should be a little different for them if they're gonna do that.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like if you join the army, maybe you could drink a little. Like maybe the. Those things the age lowers for them.

Jack: No, if you can go to the military, you should be able to do everything an adult can.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, if you're.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody who's the right age should have the same rights. Why are we giving different people different rights?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Actually, that would be a horrible thing to do because then people might want to go to military. Yes. Yeah. That's a horrible plan. Never mind that yeah.

Jack: All you're doing is giving people incentive to go to. They should go because they want to, not because there's some s*** over there they want to do.

Cristina: Yeah. Ah, all right. That makes way more sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is definitely problematic to give incentive to go to the military.

Cristina: Mm. There's so many problems.

Jack: But then they do give incentive, right? They'll be like, you get this benefit, that benefit, and all of it is a lie.

Cristina: Yeah. There's schooling they're supposed to help you with.

Jack: Yeah. Only as long as you're a soldier. They say they're gonna support you afterwards, but the moment you're done, it is hard to get any of that s***.

Cristina: Really. Like, how do you even have time to do any of that while you're a soldier?

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a con. They will do whatever to convince you, then you're there and realize you have no time for anything. And then by the time you get.

Cristina: Out, they're like, psych.

Jack: Yeah. They're like, what do you mean you're not serving here anymore? Oh, no. There's these paperworks. Oh, no. Well, it's really only if you do this many hours of work average for us paperwork and stuff and.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: Well, no, you got to do this thing. And you got. Before too long. Some people are 180 years old before they finally get their f****** thing that they've been waiting for since, like, World War II or some crazy s***. It's like, what the f***, bro?

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's because the military sucks like that because it's private industry.

Cristina: They're really conning people. Although I guess every business is conning. Is conning us. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, all businesses are just. It's all about. If money is what you do, then you are f*****. It should be every Its job. It should be, you get paid a jobs wage. Everybody gets paid a jobs wage. You're higher rank, a little more money. Yeah, but you can't get more money. Somehow you can't. Well, we're gonna do this tactic and do that thing, and then, boom, I get more money. There should be no way you get more money. It should be all evenly distributed the right way with so much micromanaging by so many different parties that there's no way something could slip up and be different.

Cristina: Are you talking about communism? Has all of this been about, we should be a communist country? Like, the whole. Like, the government should have control of all the businesses, and also everyone should have equal play?

Jack: I don't think the government should have control of all the businesses. Like. Yeah, go do the light bulb thing. Whatever. Competition. Yes, but like, medicine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's people's health. Like, I said human rights. Yeah, I specifically said human rights. I use those words.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Okay. Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I don't believe the government should have say in what, like, a business of, like, selling cars should do. Like, who the f*** cares, dude?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, let them do what they want to do.

Cristina: Okay, but in something like pharmacies or.

Jack: Pharmacies or prisons or hospitals or school.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: The same way we support the cops and the firefighters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We should support those other things. Those other things.

Cristina: Okay. But not everything.

Jack: No, that would be ridiculous.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: Yeah, that's excessive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because then where is the end of. Where's the opportunity for the individual?

Cristina: Yeah. But then you also want people to.

Jack: Be paid the same in the military.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, yes. What are you talking about?

Jack: That's what we were talking about for the longest.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I thought you meant, like, everyone, though.

Jack: No. In the military.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That nobody in the military gets different pay. Like, your rank is your pay, and there's nothing you could do to get paid different. There's no job that's gonna give you more money or anything, and everything is fixed. And there's so much micromanaging by many, many different groups that there's nobody who could skim anything off of anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that now you just do your job. Right. Versus do whatever's gonna get you more money.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because when there's a money incentive, you've gone crooked. That's where corruption lies. When there's money incentive, you have corruption.

Cristina: And that's the problem with the military.

Jack: That's a problem with the military. That's a problem with hospitals. That's a problem with pharmaceutical industries. That's like, what the f*** is the opioid pandemic if not a bunch of pharmaceutical douchebags taking advantage. Taking advantage. And then they could just claim bankruptcy and get the f*** out of there. Take all the money out of the banks and disappear and they don't have to pay s*** because they left the country. Now, can the government do that if they f***** up?

Cristina: No.

Jack: No. You got to fix the problem, or we burn you down.

Cristina: Yes, that is a great idea. Yes. Let's burn them down.

Jack: Yeah. So when it comes to human rights, that should be the government's job. There should be nobody telling somebody, medicine. No. People need medicine.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: You cannot have private industry running pharmaceutical companies. F*** that s***.

Cristina: No more pain pills. Give us something that actually Stops the problem. Yeah.

Jack: If the government has to pay for all of it, they will. They'll have the solution.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That makes sense. Yes, we should do that. We should do all of that.

Jack: Yes. That's how everything gets better. And we don't. Like, it's alright if people give us crap because that's competition, but not if it's related to human rights and health and.

Cristina: No, but if it's like a hamburger.

Jack: Yeah, if it's like a hamburger. Like, whatever, dude. You're opting into it. Whatever. You can choose which burger you want.

Cristina: Yeah, that's fair competition.

Jack: That's fair competition. They're all selling crap. It's fine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, not if. Well, I need my cancer medication. But they're just gonna give you some remedy. Because we can't cure cancer. You f****** crazy? We need you back. No, the government is gonna cure your f****** cancer, bro. We can't keep giving this m*********** remedies forever. Give him the f****** cure. Get him the h*** out of here forever.

Cristina: Yes, get out. Because that's. That's wasting their money.

Jack: Yes, and they just want the money and it's fine. Look, let them all get filthy rich. We all just. We all just have to agree. The politicians can be as rich as they want off of tax money so long as all the things that the tax money is there for is covered. Yes, that's an agreement that if we make as people, it doesn't matter how much they steal, so long as all the human rights. Not even human rights, so long as everything that money is there for is covered. We will turn the other way and you can skim however much the f*** is left. But that means medicine is covered. Yeah, soldiers get what the f*** they deserve.

Cristina: But then they have to, like, give us a report on everything.

Jack: Yeah, education is covered. We're talking grade school, high school, college.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're talking people are paid fair f****** wages.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're talking the police are paid well, teachers are paid well, firefighters are paid well, medical workers are paid well. Government workers of any rank are paid well. And then whatever the f*** you got left, you can skim off the top. That includes our streets should be fixed, definitely. You know, like, that's government job. You should have our streets fixed because we're paying for that. Infrastructure should be immaculate. Our sewage systems should be spotless. Everything should run clean. There should be no flooding f****** anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in this case, we look the other way. We won't even ask what's left. We won't ask don't return any of the money.

Cristina: You.

Jack: You are entitled to all of it.

Cristina: The other thing that we should think of doing because of global warming. If we can't solve that global warming problem. You mean climate change or climate change, Sorry, climate change problem. We should just have all the. Everyone prepared for anything. If there's a hurricane, we need a place to. Not a hurricane, a tornado. We need something for that. Every city should have something for that. For any situation that might happen. Even if it never happens where you're from, just in case. Because you don't know. You don't know if some weird. If a fire is gonna happen and it never happens here. It's always in California. Maybe we should be prepared for that anyways.

Jack: Yeah, that's fair. Have everybody prepared for all the possible disasters that nature might throw at us.

Cristina: Yes, I think that's something we should think about. Besides stopping it or slowing it down or whatever it is, the gold right now. We should also be prepared for all of it.

Jack: That's fair. And all of that calculated into the cost.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everything covered. Not only that, like, let's be fair. We should also have that system where we check off a list of things we want our money to go to and we choose percentages, right? School and medical and prison and this and that and like all the f****** things and military and blah, blah, blah, like 50 different things on a sheet. And we choose whenever we vote. We can choose to change it. We don't have to. We could just. Whatever the f*** I had last time is what I wanted to be this time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you can ignore it, but at least once you have to fill in this sheet that says where you want it. I guess you don't have to fill in. If you don't, then it's broken up evenly amongst all the things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But you can check off the boxes you do want it to go to and say, I want all my money broken evenly amongst these things and not going to any of those things.

Cristina: If you're a weirdo that wants like 50% in one thing, maybe 25 in another, could that be an option too? Like maybe a line next to it where they could put percentages can choose.

Jack: How you want it distributed.

Cristina: Yeah, that'd be.

Jack: Now this is an interesting problem, right? Because thinking about this as I say it, so you don't want to fund the police and you say, I don't want any of my tax money to go to the police. But if you called the police, it would still show up at your house because there Isn't something proving that you didn't fund the police?

Cristina: What's the problem with that?

Jack: You're still using a resource that your tax money didn't cover.

Cristina: But then you have to support everything.

Jack: You have to support everything, and you're really just choosing what percentage you want everything to go to.

Cristina: Okay, that's the better option.

Jack: That's the better option because you. If you opt out of anything you shouldn't. You should. Legally, you shouldn't be allowed to use it, but. S***. All right, See the problem?

Cristina: So you got to support everything.

Jack: You got to support everything. The things you don't, because they are functional pieces of your government.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, that makes sense. Yes.

Jack: Now it would be like, I want this much percentage over there this month. So I guess you just choose the distribution. We're in the world of digital anyway, so you could just give us a bunch of sliders on a screen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We move it and like it. If I pull this up, then all of these percentages go down. So I got to choose and make sure that it's distributed how I want it to be. And then once I hit. Okay, I don't have to do it again.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: And if I don't do it, then it's evenly broken up amongst all of them, and that's fine.

Cristina: It should be like the voting process isn't like every one year or every.

Jack: Well, for everything. It's every four years, I think.

Cristina: Oh, for everything.

Jack: Most things at least anything we vote for regularly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, yeah, it should definitely be a voting process.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But it should be optional because maybe you don't want to. And it just goes. Breaks up evenly.

Cristina: Yeah. Automatic.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Even though.

Jack: And I think that's fair because. Yeah, whatever. I don't care. Do whatever you want with it. Yeah, but if I think our military is overfunded and a lot of people, like, what if the majority of the population thinks the military is overfunded? Then we'd have a weaker military by default. But we opted into that.

Cristina: But they will still be getting something.

Jack: They will still be getting something. They're not getting nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And same thing with the police. Maybe our police are overfunded. We would know based on what the people want, not what some politicians are agreeing to. The people did this. The people said this. So I guess we do defund the police and give them less. It's not disband the police, because that's ridiculous. It's defund the police.

Cristina: Then how do we. I guess we would see the results of what the average of the percentage, the total.

Jack: Yeah, everybody's total put together would equal like now this is the new hundred percent with everybody calculated well. Okay, they said there's 20 different things. And they want the police to have only 4%, but they want firefighters to have 10% and they want military to have 4% as well. But they want education to have 20% and the medical system to have 20%. And it's like, okay, so that's how the distribution will be. Now we have $100 trillion in tax every year. Now to that hundred trillion dollars, 20 trillion goes to education and 20 trillion goes to the medical system because 20% was to each of those, while only 4 trillion goes to all the police of the entire country.

Cristina: By seeing this, we can see if they actually change. And do they say they're gonna do.

Jack: So if we as a country say we're, we're, we're attacking the police, we're just removing their funding. They are too savage. Then we could just bring it all down and we chose it. And we could do the opposite and be like, they're underfunded and we got a lot of crime. Let's boost that s*** this year.

Cristina: Yes. Like, it might be a year to year thing. I guess it depends on like how bad things get. If things get horrible the next year, then you're like, okay. And they need to change the.

Jack: They need to campaign for themselves and they need to prove it. Not just by going out there and like, oh, you know, support the police because they'll be out people out there with like a hat. Hey, you know, don't even want to.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or whatever. Except they'll be doing like, hey, you know, put your tax money towards cops. But there will be cops doing good things. Their job will be well, because they know that their budget depends on it. It's no longer. We're gonna get the money no matter what the f*** we do. I'm a f****** officer. I'm the law. I make the rules. You just obey what I say. No, that ceases to exist.

Cristina: Because you're like the good student now. You're like the good student. Like you want to show the teacher.

Jack: How well you're exactly. You get like, I do my job well and I deserve the money. We deserve the money. We've been doing our job well. Look at how low our crime. Look at how low our death rate is. Look how rarely our guns go off. We, we deserve it. We've earned it.

Cristina: Yeah, like we still need to help with this thing though, you know, like we're Doing our best.

Jack: In the case of something like the police, though, this is really unique because. Right. You can have, I guess, incident reports for everything. So not only does the total money get put into. So, okay, now the police get 4%.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So 4% of that trillion. That hundred trillion. So they get $4 trillion. Now, 4 trillion is a cops. 100%. 100% of all cops in the United States are gonna get that 4 trillion broken amongst them. So now these cops need to submit to the government their annual report of this many guns went off, this many incidents were had, this many complaints were had. Also, complaints need to be handled by a separate agency. Because the fact that people go and report crooked cops and then they just throw that away, that's not cool. You should be able to go straight to Internal Affairs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And not to the police department you're trying to report. You go to internal affairs and you report to cops, and then Internal affairs investigates. Not the same police station that was corrupted in the first place. Trying to report is where you're gonna go report.

Cristina: That's stupid nonsense. Yeah.

Jack: A third party should handle everything, always. So in this case, they always need to submit their report. Or I guess internal affairs investigates and gets a report. And in this instant, whoever follows the rule, like, you have to break up that 4 trillion, which is 100% amongst everybody. The people who performed best get the most. The people who performed worst get the least. So that they have to up their game and be less crooked to earn more money.

Cristina: That's good. Yeah. Then. But they'll also have the proof of, like, what they actually need when the next time they have to ask for more money, they can be more specific about.

Jack: Yeah. If it's like, okay, our guns go off too often. Well, your cops need more training.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So we're only gonna give you more money. But that money can only be used for more training.

Cristina: Yeah. Things like that work.

Jack: So it'll be distributed. Very calculated, all of it. Micromanage everything.

Cristina: That's a lot of work. But also a lot of jobs.

Jack: A lot of jobs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's a lot of jobs. You make a lot of jobs, this country gets funded. It's a lot of jobs, man.

Cristina: It works out.

Jack: It works out.

Cristina: No one can complain about jobs. There'll be too many jobs.

Jack: There'll be too many jobs.

Cristina: We'll have more people.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna need more people. Everybody can have a job.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What's gonna happen is all the people who do have the capacity will put them through some tests and then give Them these jobs, which will then remove people from the jobs of like construction and landscaping because all they have to do is manage funds and whatever in these other places. Construction, landscaping, sewage workers, trash picker, upper people. Any of these people who had a mind are gonna be plucked out of those jobs, leaving mad vacancies. Now people coming out of high school and not going to college can go and get these jobs immediately, while the people who are gonna go and fill in more corporate jobs get passes into college because college is provided by the government anyways. And you can go if you want to for f****** free.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so all the jobs are covered, all the education is covered, there's a cease of corruption at least when it comes to government related things because you need to prove it to the people every f****** time. Always.

Cristina: Yes. D*** beautiful. Yes.

Jack: Fixing the country.

Cristina: Well, for our ideas, for ideas.

Jack: There's probably mad holes and everything inside somebody. If you find the holes, don't tell.

Cristina: Us what you mean, don't tell us.

Jack: Let us know.

Cristina: Let us know.

Jack: Drop it in the comments below. Below or above or on the left or on the right or on a different screen. Some people got the dual screen experience.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it's not like this is like.

Cristina: You send us an email. That's a different screen.

Jack: Email us. Yeah, exactly, email us how it's. I guess it's a different window technically.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, email us at someplace@wherewhere.com. and so yeah, I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. Of which there are many. There are many in which we fix the government according to our personal views because we're right and everybody else is wrong. And politicians who went to school and took civics and were lawyers to begin with and studied this their whole lives and have done nothing but work at this their whole lives. We know better. Yes, we know better.

Cristina: We do everything we said I'm sure is correct.

Jack: Yeah. Way more correct than anything they've ever said.

Cristina: We're the correctest, we're educated and there's nothing from Illuminati. And they're definitely know what they're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, the Illuminati controls so much and understands so much. So like, look, you politicians want to fix the world, you do what we say. You do what we say right the f*** now anyways. You can find those episodes related to all these things. There's a bunch of them. There's one where we break down how the branches of government work. There's one where we talk about different types of laws and abortion and how politics affects religion and just A bunch of different things.

Cristina: Like a lot of political episodes. Yeah, there's.

Jack: There's quite a.

Cristina: So random.

Jack: Yeah, we got like a good maybe 10 to 15 political episodes. So you can go find those. Just skim through names. I'll tell you what they're about. And you can find those at all the places, including the official website, greatthoughts.info and on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, @TikTok@justconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And also make sure to leave us a nice review. You know, leave us some stars of any amount. Subscribe. You subscribe, you rate and you review. But the review is kind of the most important part. Or is it the subscription? I guess it's a subscription and then it's the review.

Cristina: And you gotta subscribe to us everywhere.

Jack: Yeah, it has to be everywhere.

Cristina: Find us everywhere. And you subscribe us on all those platforms.

Jack: Yeah, because when you're not paying attention to one, you'll hear about us on the other and you'll be like, oh, the newest thing on the. So you subscribe on all the places.

Cristina: Yes. And then you listen to us on each one.

Jack: Yeah. And then we get an extra hit from you everywhere. And then you're so familiar with the episode by the last one, which is like 15 in. Yeah, like 15 hours of one episode.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: And each one, it's 15 times by the last one. You could say what we're saying as we're saying it. It's like a song. Like you memorize a song.

Cristina: Well, let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is overpowered. Make sure to get people to listen. And also you can find me on the stereo app having conversations with complete strangers at random moments. I never really know when I'm gonna be there, so you pretty much just have to follow me and I guess, like, turn on notifications or some s***.

Cristina: Listen to old episodes.

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch of old episodes, which is, in theory, the same. When I have guests, you know, when there's a guest on the show, we have them and it's just a random conversation. And stereo is basically me doing that with a bunch of strangers. So if you like. When I have guests on the conversation podcast, it's the same sort of the same thing with just complete strangers that drift in and out sometimes it'll be many different conversations with many strangers over the course of an hour or two. Sometimes we're lucky enough to find somebody who's interesting and I don't feel the need to get the h*** out of there. And we'll have a long conversation that lasts one or two hours with one person.

Cristina: Yeah. So if you like our guest episodes, go follow us there.

Jack: Yes. Eventually we might figure out how to convert. That is something that we could play over here. But in the meantime, go find it on Sero app.

Cristina: Yes. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing presido and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Winters and death. Winters and death. Winters and death. Embrace.

Cristina: How? How, sir, How?

Jack: Winter dance.

Cristina: That's not a thing. That can happen. That's not a thing. Turds and death can embrace whatever was. The t*** is embrace. Embrace in death. But the t*** is embraced whatever the t*** was before it was the t***.

Jack: So you're telling me a t*** is an inanimate object?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. We have a galvanization list, or I guess a list of life. And turds fall into which one.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They're made of cells. Living.

Cristina: Those cells are dead.

Jack: Are they?

Cristina: They're dead.

Jack: Are turds made of. Let's do this. Let's find out with the power of goggles. Is poo made of cells?

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 142: Slow Burn Apocalypse

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Is everything a lie? Are there aliens? Were there more Native American lives lost that we can fathom when arriving in America? Is Western Culture manipulated by media? And is this virus actually as bad as we are told it is? The clones try to unpack what is true and how western society has corrupted the minds of its people.

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Topics Discussed

  • Michael Horn
  • Aliens
  • Hive Mentality
  • Under Performing
  • Western Culture
  • Individualism
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to grab somebody, pull them aside, bring them to you, and have a hefty, hefty listening session about, on through this show.

Cristina: This show. It's gonna be 10 hours long.

Jack: 10 hours long. It's gonna be the longest show we've ever had.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean the show we had with Dave was pretty long.

Cristina: That was.

Jack: That was one of the first. What was it the second time we had him that we were just there for like five hours.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Breaking them records, man. We were on some Joe Rogan time.

Cristina: Yeah. Was it Comedy Bang Bang did one that was like 12 hours long.

Jack: No, they did their 10 hour episode.

Cristina: 10 hours?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We gotta do a 10 hour.

Jack: Never happening.

Cristina: Never happening.

Jack: That's hardcore. He did that by having like 20 guests.

Cristina: Yeah, you can come up with 20 guests somehow.

Jack: What? You know how hard it is to just find somebody interesting? There's a lot of people. It's just people aren't necessarily interesting.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll do it on the radio app thing. Stereo. We'll just have. We'll be there 10 hours straight.

Jack: 10 hours straight. Getting ramp. The problem with that is that it's inconsistent people. It's just a lot of waiting as people come through and like nobody falls into the room. So as soon as we're done with somebody who had to leave because it's 10 hours, then we have like 20 minutes of silence.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Waiting for somebody to show up during that time. Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: It will keep going, just filling in the gap.

Jack: Interesting. But then how do we mute the f****** search thing on the stereo app? I hate that sound there.

Cristina: You check the options for that?

Jack: No, but it's f****** annoying. I hope I can turn it off if we can't. And if we can't. That's my point. I haven't checked the options. So if we can't, then what?

Cristina: But if we can.

Jack: But if we can't, then why. Obviously if we can, then success.

Cristina: Yeah. But if we can't, we find 10 people and have an hour conversation with Each of them. Is that how it works? I don't think anyone can do an hour. I mean. No, we do that all the time.

Jack: Yeah. With five people we can do two hours a piece.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The problem is also scheduling that.

Cristina: Well, some people, if they could schedule in like a half an hour, like, well, it will be varied the time schedule of everyone so they can choose the amount of time they want to take out for this 10 hour thing.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah. So it could be like half an hour or maybe someone's like I could be there half an hour in the beginning, but then I'll be five hours later. I'll be free to do two hours or something and then they could come back.

Jack: That seems so annoying to have. That's like not even a little interesting. Because it would be too difficult to organize.

Cristina: Yeah, that is.

Jack: It'd be kind of a pain in the a**. That just sucks out the want to do that at all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Having to schedule million people in different time slots and different organizations. This person leaves, comes back, that person's gonna be here this long in the middle. This person's only gonna this time. But that's gonna be the app that s***.

Cristina: So no 10 hour. No, no. You can do a 10 minute episode. That would be unique.

Jack: Right. People are boring and I'm not doing that. The problem is people suck. And getting so many people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Sucks. Yes, it sucks. Never in a million years am I gonna do that. That's why we have so few guests. Generally speaking. I'm not just gonna have whack people coming through. It needs to be content that people can be like wow, interesting or somebody actually I don't give a if they like it. I, I need to like talking to.

Cristina: The person like wow, interesting.

Jack: Yeah, I have to want to talk to this person. Yeah, I'm just gonna pick a bunch of garbage people.

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Because that sucks. Who the wants to do that? I don't know, just I'm the one taught. You could talk to them if you want to talk to them.

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: I'm not gonna be here talking to a bunch of boring people. Yeah, I'm not doing that either. I'm not going to be here talking to a bunch of wack people who've got nothing interesting to say. No, I want people who just open minded and want to discuss their thoughts and their ideas.

Cristina: Yeah, I wonder. We need to do a episode though with a guest that we have questions from our listeners, especially Mike.

Jack: That's for Michael Horn.

Cristina: Yeah, Michael Horn.

Jack: H*** yeah.

Cristina: Specifically I know we have questions for him. Backed up.

Jack: Yes. No question at all. For season six. There's that Michael Horn's coming back.

Cristina: He has to.

Jack: He has to.

Cristina: He has to. There's people.

Jack: Yes, people have questions.

Cristina: I have questions.

Jack: Yeah, me too.

Cristina: Me too.

Jack: I gotta listen back. There was. It was an information dump, man.

Cristina: It was.

Jack: There was a lot going on.

Cristina: There's too much going on. And if you actually look up the research on these websites, it's just so much info, so thorough. I don't know how anyone can like spend their time researching this topic. It's.

Jack: Yeah, no, you were either there from the start or you're never catching up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or get Michael Horn and he'll teach you. Yes, he's gonna teach you the ways.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Interesting though.

Cristina: And who knows what other interesting things happened to him after we talked to him.

Jack: I mean, nothing really happened to him.

Cristina: No. But he was there at least on one of those events.

Jack: He was there through many of the events.

Cristina: Oh, many of them, yeah. So yeah.

Jack: It's just nothing happened to him.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He's just witnessing stuff happen to Billy Meyer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's pretty dope, man. Just watching basically a current day messiah experience. Weird anomalies and like supernatural events happening from like time traveling and interdimensional aliens and s***.

Cristina: And evil robots.

Jack: They were evil robots.

Cristina: Evil Internet entity.

Jack: Oh, the sentient like conglomerate thing that.

Cristina: Was made out of prayers.

Jack: Made out of prayers?

Cristina: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was made out of prayers of hate or some weird thing like that.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know.

Cristina: It's a complicated story.

Jack: There's a lot going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot going on in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a crazy world. I definitely want him back. My question is, is he the only person who has like Billy Meyer, is he the only, like. Let's say this alien race is real, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they are. It's truly happening. All the events that we were told by Michael Horn has happened to Billy are real. Does. Are there others and does he know of them?

Cristina: Yes, because there's a lot of people who have talked to aliens. So has anyone talked to the same aliens?

Jack: That's an interesting question. Is it like this specific alien race only interacts with him and nevertheless these aliens are us somehow?

Cristina: Yeah. So how do they. I don't know. There's us somehow they're us in the future or something.

Jack: So it was something like that. They're genetically the same.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Whether we share ancestors or we literally are them, like in the future. Like we are the Ancestors, of course, or something. Somehow those aliens and us are identical.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if he's also talked with other aliens besides those specific ones. Have he? Has he talked to the one from. That guy from Area 51 that he was talking to? That alien that was working with him? Did that guy ever escape and talk to other people?

Jack: The guy from Area 51?

Cristina: Yeah. He was talking to an alien that was. He was helping build a spaceship with or break down a spaceship or some crazy story like that.

Jack: Oh, you mean Dave. Is it last something Lazaro.

Cristina: From Joe Rogan, I think it was that he was talking about that story.

Jack: I mean, he was on Joe Rogan. He ain't from Joe Rogan. He's not like. Well, Joe Rogan has a group of people that have.

Cristina: He might.

Jack: He might. He has a re. Now. He has the resources.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: After his Spotify deal, who knows, he might be running Area 51.

Cristina: What? So, yeah, what if that guy's alien buddy has contacted Bob? Bob?

Jack: Oh, Bob and Billy. Oh, man. They sound their names, tell me they know each other.

Cristina: They have to.

Jack: It's Bob, Billy, and Steve.

Cristina: Who's Steve?

Jack: I don't know. Some other guy.

Cristina: Oh, my.

Jack: The other guy who talked to the aliens. Bob, Billy, Steve, Frank.

Cristina: So the aliens just pick the most boring name.

Jack: Yeah, Mike. Just a Bob, Billy, Frank, Steve, Mike. All these guys?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're the only people allowed to talk to aliens. What if your name is complicated? Like, you can't be a zachariah and talk to the aliens. They're like, nah, I can't say your name, so I'm not talking to you. I'm insulted, but Bob, Mike. No. Jesus.

Cristina: What was his name? They said his. His name is not Jesus.

Jack: No, his name wasn't Jesus. It was Emmanuel.

Cristina: Emmanuel? Yeah.

Jack: That is a pretty complex name.

Cristina: That's a complicated name.

Jack: That's why they stopped. That's why they're like, we're over this. We're just talking to Billy, Mike, Frank, Steve, Bob, all these.

Cristina: That's has to be one or two.

Jack: One. One vowel. That's it.

Cristina: That's it. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Nothing more than that.

Cristina: That's awesome. Maybe we can go visit him and see for ourselves the weird things.

Jack: Is it. Who?

Cristina: Billy, Bob, whatever.

Jack: Isn't he. Isn't he, like, German or something?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: So, like, we will totally not be able to communicate with him.

Cristina: No. But we have Michael to communicate with us.

Jack: My question is, does Michael speak German? Like, we never asked him this. How does. How does he Communicate? Do they just have a translator present at all times?

Cristina: A translator?

Jack: Or does he know German?

Cristina: He must by now because he lives there.

Jack: He lives in Switzerland, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you speak. No, he speaks Swiss German.

Cristina: Swiss German?

Jack: That's a whole language of its own, the Swiss German. Like the Germans don't understand Swiss German, but the Swiss Germans understand German.

Cristina: But they're both in Swiss Switzerland.

Jack: What, German? No, Germany is its own place.

Cristina: Billy is also there.

Jack: Oh yeah, they're both in. In. In Switzerland.

Cristina: Yeah. So he must have picked up some Swiss German.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, depending how long he's been there. Was he there when we were talking to him?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So that's fascinating. You gotta go meet him, hang out.

Jack: Yeah, maybe not.

Cristina: Some weird stuff happens.

Jack: Yeah, probably not.

Cristina: Probably not. Maybe the aliens will contact you somehow.

Jack: I doubt it, but I would like to. I don't know. It's really interesting. Aliens are complicated, man. I wonder like what system an alien goes through to contact people.

Cristina: Really, what system?

Jack: Like, what logic do they use to reach out and talk to somebody? Like, is it one just bored on chat or is it like, well, I gotta give you a secret message.

Cristina: It's always a secret message.

Jack: No, it's not always a secret message. Some people just receive some intercepted s*** that had nothing to do with them.

Cristina: Allegedly.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. Why would aliens want to talk to us?

Jack: I don't know, maybe to see if we're intelligent. It'd be like if we could really start. I would have a conversation with the dolphin. Give me whatever's going to translate it and I just. I want to see, I want to know. I'm curious.

Cristina: That is pretty interesting. Yeah, yeah. Would you want to talk to other animals though? Like even dumber animals? Would that matter? Like if you could communicate? Like they always talk about us to aliens, would be like us to ants. Wouldn't you want to know even if they said one word or.

Jack: Yeah, be like, what is the one word that the ant is going to say? Yeah, like I would totally.

Cristina: They just say. They just scream all day or something. I don't know. But you will get to hear what's in their mind if there is something there.

Jack: I think like ants, we would just hear work, work, work, work, work, work, work over and over and over and over and work, work, work.

Cristina: What is the queen saying?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Is the queen the same like the bee? The queen bee that she's just.

Jack: Yeah, the queen just chills at home. Yeah, they.

Cristina: That sucks. That's great. I guess, yeah.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: What would her word be?

Jack: I know, you tell me.

Cristina: Work.

Jack: Work. She's just screaming work. And they're like, okay, we're gonna work.

Cristina: Yeah. And then she's lashing them with her whip or something.

Jack: I mean, she isn't the slave driver. They're not slaves.

Cristina: They're not.

Jack: They volunteer, they're loyal, they're patriots.

Cristina: Oh, okay. They are. I thought they were more like the guys from Star Trek, that they're just together one minded.

Jack: Oh, the Borg.

Cristina: Yeah. Like it's not. It's kind of slavery still.

Jack: It's no in. In Star Trek, it's slavery.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it's against their will. They've been forced. They're not part of this. They've been forced into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're born into it. And it's just their culture.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And culture is. We always protect the queen. We do whatever for her whenever. And we, you know, we're community. We work together to make everything function.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's totally the opposite of humans where we're like, nah, f*** this s***. Individualism. Then again, that's Western culture s***. Because Eastern culture has. They don't have as much individualism.

Cristina: Then what is their main thing? They work together.

Jack: Yeah. It's not individualism. The opposite of that would be unity.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Individualism is problematic because, I mean, it distinguishes you from others.

Cristina: And that's a bad thing.

Jack: Yeah. Because we are kind of selfish.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Eastern culture has a complete and total lack of that. And like, family is really f****** important in Eastern culture. In Eastern culture, family is really important. Community is really important. You do whatever you can for your workplace. You do whatever you can for your family. You endure the hard times because it is important. Because society functions on sacrifice. Over here, my job sucks. I f****** quit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Boom. Now that job has one less person that affects the economy in a minor way. But you put the collective of people across the entire country who just randomly quit a job and that tiny little hit. But collectively, ooh, the impact. And then we're like, well, our economy sucks. It's like casually abandoning jobs, casually picking up jobs only looking for jobs that we're under qualified to have, then underperforming at the job in the first place because I'm special and I deserve this. Meanwhile other places like, well, I'll start at the bottom. That's what everybody does. And then I'll work my way up if I earn it.

Cristina: Because it's about the company.

Jack: It's about making sure the company looks good. I'M part of the company and if I look good and I make the company look good, then I'm valuable and I go up in the company. Over here it's like, no. Well, you don't treat me that way because I'm an individual.

Cristina: The company is the enemy.

Jack: Yeah. Over here we fight. We're lazy, dude. Western people are f****** lazy.

Cristina: We are. That's why we have driving cars.

Jack: Self driving cars.

Cristina: Self driving cars. Like that's the future. That's. Everything's going to be like that.

Jack: Yeah. That's fair.

Cristina: Although we already do have stuff like that. Like those weird things the cops use. What is it that they. It just drives like a Segway. Yeah, Segway.

Jack: I don't walk anywhere. I stand and I just glide places.

Cristina: Yes. It's crazy that. Not. There's a lot of people using that. That's ridiculous.

Jack: You ever seen the skinny person use it?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I'm sure there's a few. They're on scooters. That's what they're doing. Electric scooters.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's the same thing.

Jack: Yeah, more or less.

Cristina: Yeah. It just looks cooler.

Jack: It's f****** weird, though. But I don't know, it's. Whatever. Individualism does fail hard, though. It's not designed like, the system isn't designed to have like the human system. The human isn't designed for individualism. That's a pretty recent concept.

Cristina: How recent?

Jack: Pretty recent? I don't know. At some point.

Cristina: At some point.

Jack: It used to not be that way, though, because it used to be. Think of Native Americans. Right? There wasn't like your kid. My kid. There was like the kid of the tribe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like kids crying. I don't tell you. Hey, your f****** kid is crying. Go handle your business. I go handle the kid. Because he's our kid, part of our tribe, and we take care of each other.

Cristina: Now. There's no trust, though, for that type of distraction. There's no tribe. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. There's individualism.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: There is no tribe.

Cristina: Yes. And now we just don't trust anyone.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody's bad. Everybody's the enemy. It has to be me over you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Always.

Cristina: Always. For everything.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's what the whole mass thing is about. Or pretty much everything on the news is about everything.

Jack: Always. Well, they. Yeah, they force it. They 100% try to force individualism on everybody because it keeps people divided, too. If you're united, then you're not like. Well, you're the enemy. No, no, no. We're the same. We're from the same class, we're from the same neighborhood where we go to the same schools, we work the same jobs. We're. We're the same.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Those people are the enemy. They can't have that. Western society needs you to, like, attack you because then you attack. Or if you're not attacking yourself, you're attacking them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Individualism is good for the elites, and.

Cristina: That'S why it's here.

Jack: That's why it's here.

Cristina: That's crazy. What?

Jack: There's way less corruption in Eastern culture.

Cristina: Are you sure? How do you know that?

Jack: Because there's way less corruption in Eastern culture. Usually the government is the one handling not. It's not even corrupted. It's just usually manipulating the people in, like, a blatantly obvious way. They're not corrupt and hidden in the shadows doing sketchy conspiracy s***. Like, there's crime everywhere. No s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But over here, like, everybody is criminal. If you are elite, chances are you're doing something sketchy.

Cristina: Yes. Over there, it's not sketchy because it's out in the open a lot of the times.

Jack: Because it's all for the sake of the bigger picture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everybody's in. Like, honor is important in Eastern culture. Heavily.

Cristina: Yes. We don't have that.

Jack: We don't have that. So if you do something that violates your honor, you're kind of f***** up and your business might be screwed. And if you're a dishonorable person, you're probably going to be fired because you don't want to make the company look bad.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You see, it's really, really important over here. That doesn't matter at all.

Cristina: It doesn't.

Jack: What my question is, then, places like in Russia, does that count as Eastern culture? Sort of the middle ground, Right? A little bit of here, a little bit of there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because, like, are Russians united? I have no, like, I got no reference point for that.

Cristina: Are they. They're. They're Eastern, maybe.

Jack: You think. You think they're Eastern? That counts as an Eastern culture?

Cristina: Not sure.

Jack: I feel like they're kind of Western, but, like, I couldn't tell you for sure.

Cristina: I couldn't. No. They're very close to the Eastern culture.

Jack: They are literally touching Eastern countries. That's not the point of where they're, like, geographically located. I'm saying, like, what is their culture like?

Cristina: Huh? I had no idea.

Jack: It's interesting, right? Because based on what we hear, they're also communists, you know. Okay, great, whatever. So it's a communist country.

Cristina: But, like, how do they work together. Do they work together?

Jack: Do they work together? How are the people?

Cristina: How are the people? Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They do casually turn on each other. They have real rigid laws and stuff. Here's the flip side. Right. Individualism allows everybody to have a certain amount of rights and we acknowledge when they're being violated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That does not exist in Eastern culture.

Cristina: It doesn't exist. What do you mean?

Jack: Okay, for example, protest. No. Like cops being racist towards black people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That doesn't happen in eastern culture where there's like a specific group of people that cops are being racist to and then it's being acknowledged in the news and in the media and people are rioting and doing things to solve that problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Does not happen because police are part of the system and you got to be united.

Cristina: Yes. So they're probably not being racist.

Jack: They're probably being racist somebody. But it's not being addressed or protest or fought or fixed. Because then that would make the police look bad.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the individual doesn't matter. It matters that the police retains trust because when there's something really bad happening, we need the people to trust the police.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: Over here we don't trust the police. Which means if something really bad were to happen, probably really bad things would continue to happen because we wouldn't allow the police to do their job. But when there isn't something really bad happening, the police are abusing their power anyways. Double edged sword on both ends. Because in the other side. Yes. We make sure that people trust the police no matter what. But then the police can casually abuse their power.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Without it ever being addressed.

Cristina: Why is it so easy for them to do that?

Jack: Interesting. I just think more places need to be like France.

Cristina: The whole protesting thing.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Whole country rises up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's you. They're f******. They're western though.

Cristina: We did that.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: In the summertime. Not this summer. Last summer. Yeah. But it was a one time event. But it happened.

Jack: It kind of wasn't necessarily though.

Cristina: It wasn't like France.

Jack: No, it wasn't like France because we had resistance from the people here too. It was not just the people striking against the government, but a whole other half of the people siding with the government.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: France is like the people versus the government. Here was like the people versus the people versus the government.

Cristina: Because it's always going to be like that here though.

Jack: Yeah. The problem is individualism. Left, right, Politics.

Cristina: Yes. Team. It's a team sport.

Jack: Every team base, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's Problematic.

Cristina: Was that part of individualism? Why is there teams instead of one against all or I guess, yeah, one against all. Does the team make you feel like that still, I guess, gives you that same feeling of like, it's me against everyone else?

Jack: Well, here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. The left is really where individualism comes in. The right, it's so. Oh God, it's so weird and convoluted. Right.

Cristina: Because the right sometimes is about individualism or. No.

Jack: Well, let me explain. The left has the whole everybody is everybody, but we are together as a thing, doing the thing. So, you know, the government should decide unanimous things for large groups of people. And you know, it's going to decide to affect our medical systems and it's going to choose to provide programs and these things that are big giant sweeps that kind of remove individualism, affect everybody as a whole, and it shafts the individuals who disagree. Yeah, it's like, f*** your s***. So they're anti individual in that instant. But also that's politically speaking, because sociologically they're like, I'm a person and I'm like a black trans Z and he's a transracial person. And this guy over here is like, you know, all these weird labels that make us different. Well, I'm gay, I'm lesbian, I'm bi, I'm straight. Well, I'm gender this, gender that, and well, I'm goth and I'm preppy and like, individualism. Yeah, but politically speaking, the government should affect all of us at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you go to the right and it flips where the right is like, no, we stand together. We stand together as individuals to f*** individuality. We gotta stand together and make sure we don't get screwed by the government. But then the second anything happens, politically speaking, they're like, but my rights. My rights are being violated. Yeah, I should have the right to. It's like, wait, you guys. You guys are weird because where they are individualists, you are together. And where you are together, they are individualists.

Cristina: When it comes to abortion, it's the opposite, though. Where the Democrats are like, it's our. My individual.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: While the Republicans are like, no, we got to do this together of not having.

Jack: Yeah, we got to band together and force them to do things. It's weird. It's like there's no consistency.

Cristina: No, no, there's not.

Jack: There's totally a.

Cristina: It's random.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But once they decide the side that's the side they're Sticking to.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And the other side, of course, picks the opposite because that's just how the game goes.

Jack: That's f****** weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. It's a team sport.

Jack: It is a team sport, and it depends on which team you are. And you don't even need to have the belief. I actually had this conversation recently in which the problem with knowing the names of people. This is a conversation about philosophy. Right. And I was explaining why I don't like knowing philosopher names. The same reason I like. I don't know why somebody did something in chemistry. Like, I don't care why you came up with the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm fascinated by the chemistry.

Cristina: You don't care how they grew up.

Jack: Yeah. I don't care about your story or whatever.

Cristina: F***.

Jack: In philosophy, the problem is, if you have a set of ideologies that comes from one individual, and you're familiar with the individual and you agree with the majority of what they say, you try to base your identity on everything they said because you're familiar with the individual.

Cristina: They'Re gonna agree with everything.

Jack: You're gonna try. And you're gonna try to justify everything based on. Because. Well, I agree with 75% of everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The other 25%. Yeah, that too. I'm gonna figure out how it fits. But if you don't know the names or who, you don't know. Well, these seven ideas came from the same guy.

Cristina: Yeah. You just pick and choose what you truly believe.

Jack: Exactly. You just know the seven individual ideas.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You have no idea they came from the same guy. And you're like. Well, three of them make sense. The other four can kiss my a**. That doesn't make any sense. Now you grab. You pick and choose from everybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you build a cohesive framework for your personality. The philosophies that work for you, that is.

Cristina: That's the way to do it. Wow.

Jack: Yes. Versus, well, Descartes at this, this and that. And I know that's kind of crazy over there, but also, I kind of have. I have to. Even if you don't know you're doing that, your mind is doing that because you're relating to the guy and you want to relate to the most excruciating detail.

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting. They should just take the good and separate the bad. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. But people don't do that.

Cristina: Like Freud. Lots of people don't like a lot of things Freud said, but I'm sure there's some good stuff there too. That's why people learn about him.

Jack: Yeah. A lot of what he discussed was psychology, not physiology or genetics. He had a lot of crap that he thought was coming from genetics. And like, biologically you want to do this? Yeah, it's like, not really, dude. Yeah, but there were a lot of psychology things that were accurate. Yeah, many, many, many. But the problem is. Well, I'm familiar with Freud and he proposed this in psychology, which turned out true. Which means that his proposals about genetics must be accurate.

Cristina: Which makes no sense.

Jack: Which makes no f****** sense.

Cristina: The idea of just taking what you like makes a. Like so much.

Jack: But in order to do that effectively, because your mind is going to try to guide you onto the whole team sport aspect of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You need to not be familiar with.

Cristina: The individual, but you could at least know their names.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because if you know the person's name and you know all the others they came from.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because what would be the. Okay, I know Descartes was a philosopher, but I don't know what he offered, so who gives a s***?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who is Descartes? Well, I know he said stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it's only valuable if you know what he said. Otherwise who cares about his name?

Cristina: Okay, so just take the ideas.

Jack: Yeah. You should ignore the philosoph, the philosopher, and only know the philosophies. Because if you are familiar with the philosopher and you want to identify with.

Cristina: The philosopher, that's where it gets all muddy and stuff.

Jack: Muddy. Yes, that's exactly what happens with politics.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It doesn't need to make sense. They said Republican and you said you're Republican.

Cristina: So now you must relate in every Republican idea. Yes.

Jack: All the Republican ideas you must relate with. Now if I grabbed all the ideas from both sides. From both sides and didn't tell you who is supporting what at the moment. I told you, one candidate has some of them, the other candidate has some of them. Here are all the ideas. I need you to check off which ones you agree with.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you wrote them off. You'd be blown away by how many on the other side.

Cristina: That would be so interesting because it might be 50. 50, who knows? We have no idea because everyone always sticks to their team. What if we did it that way? I wonder how gray it would be. Very gray.

Jack: Could just. It's that experiment that happened on. On YouTube. Right. That they walked up to a bunch of Republicans, Trump supporters, specifically.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they went up to them with Hitler quotes and said Trump said them. And they were like, yeah, I agree.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And they were just. Because they think Trump Said it. They're just agreeing by default. Their mind as well. Trump said this. I agree. From this point, even if they don't know what's happening.

Cristina: Yeah, that's the state. Because that's their team leader.

Jack: Yes. But the same thing could be done for the left where they're like, well, these are all liberal ideologies and we want to know which ones of them you agree with. And if you're already identified as a liberal and they approach them with these totally Republican ideologies, you're like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, well, no, it was done.

Jack: Both of those are videos on YouTube where they're just proving that people are supporting their own biases. It's all confirmation bias.

Cristina: Yes. I feel like they've done that with religious quotes too.

Jack: Yes, they've totally done that with. Yeah, specifically Christianity where they've approached them with random quotes from other books and.

Cristina: Like, yeah, you like this one. And of course people are gonna like it and.

Jack: Yeah, because I think it's not from the Bible that they never f****** picked up once.

Cristina: Yeah, yep.

Jack: It's all. It's team sports. You're just gonna side with your team no matter what, even if it doesn't make sense.

Cristina: Cheer them on, whether they're winning or losing.

Jack: Fanatics versus players. The player knows the nuances. Yeah, they understand. Well, this a****** on my team is the reason we're f****** failing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're like, no, everybody on that team is better than everybody on that other team that I'm against. F*** that other team. But the people who are playing, you're the fanatic. You're like, my team over that team. But the people on the field are like, man, Bob is on our team. Bob sucks. He's the reason we always f****** up. But the f****** fans are like, well, Bob is part of the team, therefore, yeah, my team. Bob's a s*** because he's on my team.

Cristina: Politicians acting like, I guess, players.

Jack: Yes. They turn on each other because they know who's crooked, who's corrupt, who's the problem and who's not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the fans are gonna support those people no matter what until they've been removed from the team. And then like, no, that guy was a problem. Yeah, like now you think so?

Cristina: Cuz team going against one person, it doesn't matter why they're going against that person. You're probably, if you're on that, you're rooting for that team. You're like, yeah, okay, I guess he sucks.

Jack: Yeah, you flip, you flip on whoever. If the Other team members do.

Cristina: Yeah. What? It is like a sport.

Jack: It is a sport. It's 100% a sport. But we're taught it's a sport.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What is politics if not debate team? They give you a random topic that you're. You don't even necessarily need to support the topic.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You just have to argue in its favor. That is literally what happens in debate team. You get put on one of two sides and you're just gonna argue the point whether or not you agree with the point. They're not saying, what do you believe? Support why you believe it. They're saying, here's your topic. Learn to defend this topic, whether or not you agree, because you're on that team. That's the logic here. You're on that team when you're just.

Cristina: The other people on that team. You all have to still agree to that thing.

Jack: Yeah, we're taught to think that way.

Cristina: Yes. But is that happening in all the other Western countries? Are they all team players as well?

Jack: Interesting. I. Yeah, I think it's all left, right. I think that's really Western thing. It's democracy. Everything is left, right. There's barely any other f****** teams. Some countries rarely. But some countries have multiple different parties that can run. But on average, you got some sort of conservative versus liberal ideology going on. Conservative versus progressive.

Cristina: But in Western. No, Eastern culture. What would that be like? They have to have parties too, right? They probably have all the parties.

Jack: China doesn't. Let's just say dictatorship.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does Russia.

Cristina: So is Russia. So is Russia. Now, Western, Eastern crap.

Jack: I don't know. Because eastern culture includes South Korea and they have democracy and you elect. So it's not just. You are Eastern, therefore.

Cristina: No. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You are like in a dictatorship.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You're not communist just because you are Eastern.

Cristina: No, it's more complicated.

Jack: Yeah, but I don't really know because I'm sure. But then South Korea is way more together, you know, like, they might not agree with their leader, but they all stand by him. Yeah, that's very different. It's like, well, he's the guy we have right now. We just deal with him for the meantime over here. We're like, f****** get him out. F*** that guy. He sucks. We won't protest, right? It's like, wow, we're not united.

Cristina: We're not over there.

Jack: We don't agree with him. But, you know, he. Let's give him a chance. Let's figure it out. Next guy comes in, well, election time. We'll figure it out.

Cristina: It feels Like, I don't know, over here. It's a mess. It's kind of a mess right now. Yeah, everyone sees it as a mess.

Jack: When has it not? We had a civil war.

Cristina: We had a civil war. Yeah.

Jack: Like, when was this not a mess? Yeah, like, let's. Let's backtrack, right?

Cristina: It's always been a mess.

Jack: Yeah, it was. Biden isn't the mess we get. Let's go back to. Well, Trump is in the mess. Okay. Let's go back to Obama. No, Obama is in this. Okay.

Cristina: The first president.

Jack: Yeah. Because we go to Bush. Well, no, Bush wasn't. It's a Clinton. He's a good. No, it wasn't Reagan, was it? No, it wasn't. Like, who was it? Because everybody was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The closest thing, the flawless we had was Teddy Roosevelt. And he was crazy controversial.

Cristina: Yes. He's the guy that shot that guy, right?

Jack: No, you're thinking about Nixon.

Cristina: Oh, Richard Nixon.

Jack: Was it Nixon? Somebody, I don't know. Somebody shot somebody. I know you're talking about, but yeah. No, it's kind of f***** like that.

Cristina: It is. It's all our fault though. We. We're on. What is this? Sacred Indian burial land.

Jack: It wasn't originally and I don't, to be fair, I don't think the. Were the Indians spread out across the entire country evenly.

Cristina: What if they were?

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: A lot of dead people.

Jack: Like, we don't know then. This isn't discussed. This isn't taught in school. We know, we came and like, we're loosely taught, you know, Christopher Columbus, he's a hero. He discovered. You didn't discover s***. There were people here. But he's a hero and he brought America. He's America. He's the reason America and whatever. Right. So we know, you know, some people died, some people died. But let's, let's really think about this really, really hard. Christopher Columbus entered through the east, right. And then even until the. What is it, early 1800s, when cowboys and s*** are still happening. Late 1700s, early 1800s, when the west is starting to be filled out, who were they fighting? The f****** Native Americans.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the Native Americans didn't just stretch from the east age all the way all the way to the west, it went all the way. So they covered every inch of everything all the way until the west, where the Wild west was at.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we still were murdering them that whole time. We didn't stop murdering them until there were no more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the question is, we don't get told the numbers. But what are the numbers?

Cristina: It's high. So high.

Jack: Were they in the millions, probably, or were they small tribes and we're just picking them off?

Cristina: I'm saying millions.

Jack: You say millions, right?

Cristina: Like we keep finding schools with dead children and those are in the hundreds.

Jack: But from when was that? How far back is that?

Cristina: 1800S, you think? I think so.

Jack: And the Wild west was what, late 1700s? Early 1800s, yeah. So then those schools are in the east, because in the west we weren't even building school. We're just. We're cowboys. They're killing everybody.

Cristina: Oh, they could have been in the east. They have been everywhere. Churches go everywhere. They don't care.

Jack: And then the other problem is, like, it's western culture, right? Because even Canada is guilty of this.

Cristina: Canada, yes. They. They were in. That was Canada, actually.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Oh, also, just when. When the westerns go east, think of like the natives in Australia. Whole f****** island just now we're extincting. These m************ belongs to us.

Cristina: That's crazy. Most islands. How did some islands survive? How is Hawaii people still alive?

Jack: What do you mean? We've colonized the s*** out of them.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're still Hawaiians.

Jack: Well, we sort of enslave them. We give them no option but to work at these jobs because all their prices went up because they're a state and the rich people usually vacation there, which means they can afford all the things. So it can afford to be really jacked up. So that forces the Hawaiians to have to work at the businesses that cater to the white people in the first place in order to be able to get the money that then allows them to go and pay their bills because their homes must be absorbently priced because the area is extremely expensive, because the white people go there to shop with their rich money on vacation. So it's indirect slavery. It's systematic racism.

Cristina: Then if they can't afford there, then how many Literally what happened still in Hawaii?

Jack: Yeah, exactly. That's totally what's happening. A bunch of Hawaiians cannot afford what's happening. It's actually. That was in the news like a month ago, what they were talking about, how this is becoming such a ridiculous problem. People can't afford anything.

Cristina: It's crazy. Where are they going to go? California, I guess. No, no one can live there either.

Jack: California is too expensive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: On the flip side, we're also like on. We're also the problem people. Here's the problem people. Rich people left California because fires, not because prices. Poor people left California because prices.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But rich people are like, I'm not gonna f****** suffocate in a cloud of fire. And we're in a similar situation over here where we're like poor people leave because the prices keep going up.

Cristina: Yes. Prices are insane.

Jack: The rest of us are just here like, why are they leaving?

Cristina: Yeah. But then soon water will drown us out.

Jack: Yeah. And then we're all going to get the f*** out of here because the water the same way all the rich people left California because of the fires.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's really what's happening. And eventually we'll go to the center.

Cristina: Where there's nothing but tornadoes and earthquakes.

Jack: Yeah, but tornadoes and earthquakes. I guess the only safe spot. Right. Like what does Texas deal with? I don't know.

Cristina: They had a crazy snowstorm.

Jack: That doesn't happen.

Cristina: That doesn't normally happen. But things are changing.

Jack: There's no such thing as climate change.

Cristina: There's no such thing.

Jack: Yeah. That's a new thing that's become a meme at this point. Just people saying there's no such thing as climate. I've seen so many.

Cristina: Really.

Jack: Yeah, there's people. There's no such thing as climate change.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Yeah, but like ironically saying, yeah, yeah. Like they're watching again. I was telling you about this the other day. The one about Anakin talking to Padme, looking to. Just thinking about the future and Padme sees everybody drowning and. No, it's not even. Yeah, yeah. So something like that. It's the one where. Is that her name, Padme? I'm pretty sure it is. And she looks at Anakin and she's like, there's no global warming, there's no a climate change in the future. Right. And then she's like, right, that one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean so it's like in the first shot, there's no climate change in the future. And he's looking at her and she says, right. And then there's a shot of the future and everybody's just drowning. And then his face is still the same neutral. And now her face is all serious. Is like, right, Yep, yep.

Cristina: That's life right now.

Jack: I've seen a lot of that. Yeah. People at this point is like, how can you still deny climate change at this point?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Between. In the Tri State area, there have been seven tornadoes in a two month period.

Cristina: When has there ever been tornadoes?

Jack: When has there ever been tornadoes in the Tri State area? There have been seven actually. That's wrong. There were seven in one during just the Ida Storm.

Cristina: Really? I thought that was the total.

Jack: No, because there were four beforehand. Yeah, that's 11 tornadoes.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: In the tri state area in two months, seven of which happen on a.

Cristina: Two day period versus the zero of forever.

Jack: Yes. First is the zero of every other moment.

Cristina: Yes, that's where we are. Yeah. What we gotta get out of here.

Jack: The zero of always.

Cristina: Everyone's gotta start making bunkers.

Jack: Yeah, we're kind of getting there on the flip side as it gets, man. The problem is people don't understand what climate change is really because they just like, oh, it's getting hot. Well, that's wrong too. It's getting colder in some areas that. Well, there's a reason why that's happening. Like the equator isn't warming up, it's getting cooler. Why is the equator getting cooler? Well, it's because what's happening is the poles are shifting forcefully. Magnetism relies on the core heat of the planet and the core heat of the planet is being shifted externally inward. So we're f****** up the pole system.

Cristina: How are we doing that?

Jack: Well, that's what pollution is doing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so what's going to happen is we're going to have a reversal, but it takes a long time. Except we're putting that b**** on fast forward.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And instead of gradually the change flipping and we don't even notice, it happens because there's a usual like ice age that comes every once in a blue and like really warm periods that comes once in a blue every couple of billion years or million years, whatever.

Cristina: But we fast forward.

Jack: Yeah, we got that s***. Fast forward hard. And so it's starting to flip as we're like in one lifetime. We're seeing it happen rather than millions and millions and millions of years. We're seeing it happen in like the same 10 year period.

Cristina: That's crazy. The world's just gonna be that world. You remember that movie with. Oh man, I forgot the name of the actor. No, it was a space movie where his daughter was in space, but he didn't know he was communicating with her because he was imaginating that a little girl was with him. The whole world was covered in snow and radiation. Do you remember that?

Jack: No, no.

Cristina: Oh crap. I can't remember the name of anything. I think Mel Gibson, was he the actor. Crap.

Jack: Just tell me the plot of the movie.

Cristina: Well, he was with a little girl because everyone just left out of earth except these two. There was a crew of astronauts who went to a planet to look for a good place.

Jack: Yes, I Remember? I don't know if it was Mel Gibson. I do remember the movie you were talking about, though. And he stood behind, like, it might have been Mel Gibson, actually.

Cristina: He stood up behind because he's dying, so there's no point of leaving. I think that's why.

Jack: No, he. There was something. There was some system he. That somebody needed to stay behind to work on to make sure that they can escape or whatever. He. There was like, the rocket's gonna blow up or something. We need somebody to stay behind it, like, save us or whatever. There's something on Earth, a station or something he needed to get to to like press a button or something. And he was taking the little girl to get there. But the reason he was okay for staying behind is because he was dying. Yeah, but he's still like, I can do it. I'm gonna die anyways.

Cristina: Yeah, but that wasn't because the people told him to stay there, because he.

Jack: He stayed because he was dying.

Cristina: Yeah, he said he was dying. And then he got contact from people from coming to Earth, and he's trying to get them to go away. If they land, they die.

Jack: D***. I don't remember this. Yes. I don't remember the name of the movie, but I know exactly because the movie began and he was already there and they had already left.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We begin by him getting a weird message.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's like, oh, I have to get there before they are too close to turn around. Yes, that's what it was.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I spoiled the thing of. It was his daughter the whole time. But whatever. It's a great movie, but the Earth, that's the important part.

Jack: Daughter was the one coming into the planet.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, she was pregnant, man.

Jack: Was it Mel Gibson?

Cristina: I feel like it was.

Jack: I don't remember the name of this movie. If somebody knows, leave it in the comments below. You remember Ray William Johnson? Where does it. It depends.

Cristina: In Apple it's below.

Jack: In Apple it's below. But where is it on top?

Cristina: I don't know. I just hope there's a place that.

Jack: I'm sure there's a place that it's on top and it's like, probably like it doesn't expand from the top, but there's a button on top where you click and it takes you to a comment section and then there you can drop a comment, but it was technically on top of the episode before you entered the menu that then allowed you in the first place to drop the comments. That's technically over above.

Cristina: And if it was YouTube live video.

Jack: It would be on the side as well as now. We've always been on Facebook, and you can go listen to the show on Facebook, but the new edition is the f******. Like, if you're on the Facebook app, you can actually listen to the show directly streamed through Facebook now. We don't even have to, like, upload it separately onto Facebook now it just goes live on Facebook immediately. I'm blown away by that.

Cristina: And do you know where the comments are there?

Jack: I don't know. But when you have a Facebook alive, it's also on the side like it is on YouTube.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But the whole point was how the Earth was at that moment. That's our Earth. That's where we're heading.

Jack: Yeah. Switching the poles. And here's the thing. My question is. Right. My question is, do we know what happened on Earth in that.

Cristina: In that movie?

Jack: In that movie?

Cristina: No, not really.

Jack: Are we. Is it arguable that while this guy's experiencing this and trying to stop those people from entering somewhere else in the same country, there's a man walking with his son and everybody else has died or left the planet and nothing but savages are talking about the other? Yeah. Can you imagine?

Cristina: It's the same. You know what? I thought the whole world was covered in snow, but maybe it's just where he's at. So maybe that's possible.

Jack: What, in the road?

Cristina: No, in the movie.

Jack: Well, here's the thing. We think in the road, it's ash.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, it could be, but also everything is just white. So it could also be snow. It could be a combination of ash and snow.

Cristina: Yes. It's happening in the same time.

Jack: This could be set in the same universe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except for whatever reason in that universe, everybody's paired with a child.

Cristina: Well, he's. One of them is an imaginary child.

Jack: Yes. Which is to tell me that somewhere in that same universe, there's a zombie infection where a man named Joel is escorting a girl named Ellie.

Cristina: And in that place, it's never snowing.

Jack: And in that place it's never. No, they go through snow. There's a whole snow section in that game.

Cristina: But there's no global warming thing going on. It's just zombies.

Jack: Interesting. If it ain't. I mean, it's not happening here too, though. We're the zombies, though.

Cristina: Yeah, we're the zombies.

Jack: We're the zombies. It's a little of everything we're out there just wasn't. Man, that's f*****. Right? We're over here thinking, like Zombies are gonna take over at some point. No f****** random other s*** robots are gonna turn on us and crap. We got f****** Elon Musk just starting. F****** Skynet's already real.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's just drones falling out of sky, murdering people. Thank you, Obama. But we got Elon Musk just innovating the tech that's eventually gonna be stolen by the government anyways and put in that same f****** drone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Eventually that robot's gonna be like, f****** kill humans. Because humans are the problem. And then we got Terminator, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're thinking like the Terminator is gonna kill us, but it's also. No, climate change is gonna kill us, but also 2020, there were zombies and it was us and we were just breaking into buildings and f****** fighting people on the street and setting s*** on fire. Yeah, we were the zombie apocalypse.

Cristina: Yes, we are. Wow. We had everything happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: This is the apocalypse.

Jack: Yeah. I saw a meme that was like, how crazy is it that it's 2021, which is 2020 part two, and you're still not done processing 2019.

Cristina: 2019.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody's still like, well, that was a good moment. And then what was it? The meme is, There's January of 2020, February of 2020, then March, then a bunch of black boxes, just emptiness.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then today.

Cristina: Oh, like it's just like.

Jack: That's just one blur. That's one moment that looks the same from every point of view of a disaster.

Cristina: Pretty much, yeah.

Jack: It's just a mess. And it's still going.

Cristina: And it's still going. Yeah. And they. I think I saw recently that Kobe's never going to go away.

Jack: Yeah, it's never going to go away. It's the flu.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's the cold. It was weird though, because it said like scientists said that, but it was a poll. So they like polled became scientists. Yes. Here's the thing.

Jack: Because of, because of the short turnaround period of the immune system that we have for this thing, it's not going away.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Two months before you can get infected again. You're not gonna get a booster shot.

Cristina: Every two months anyway. Yeah, it's just delta further currently, but we'll find something else.

Jack: D***. It's the end of the world, isn't it? See, like we're watching a slow burn.

Cristina: But it's slow burn.

Jack: It's the end. Give or take 10 years, it's over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's what's happening. It's not like, well, meteor hit, everybody died.

Cristina: No, it's like there's constantly a meteor about to hit, though. I feel like that's always happening.

Jack: No, people, it's. No, there's always a meteor in the area. And people get exaggerated. They're like, is this the one that's gonna hit? The problem is sensationalist news.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is what happened with COVID And everybody panicked. But on the flip side, s*** kind of keeps turning up lately. But, like, I've still never met a person who had the virus. And like, anything bad happened. Actually, I've never met somebody who had the virus. I a hundred percent have had no interaction with this virus. And I've stopped hiding from society. I'm just outside hanging out. Never in my f****** life met somebody with it. It's kind of weird. Dude is still kind of sketchy. And I know place are like, well, they had. And this and that. It's like, cool. I'm sure you believe that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, maybe something happened. But like, I've never met anybody with it. I've never met anybody who met anybody with it. I don't know of anybody who knows personally anybody who had something bad happen because of it. Everybody's fine. Always. Except I turn on the news and it's like millions are dying.

Cristina: Yes. Well, I know a few people who had it and they just lost their sense of taste or whatever the common.

Jack: Briefly. Yeah, like, briefly. Yeah, for like a. For like a moment.

Cristina: Hey, they felt really sick.

Jack: What's the difference between that and the flu?

Cristina: Yeah, the flu.

Jack: For a couple of days. Cut over it.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. That's their story. So.

Jack: Yeah, I had the flu. Had the flu, man. What the f***? So weird. Where the mass graves? I live in one of the most populated places on the planet. Where are the mass graves? There's nothing more densely populated than where I am. I don't. I've never in my life met a person with the f******. How.

Cristina: I don't know. They had trucks. Where did those trucks go?

Jack: The trucks were on the news. I live next to one of the. The largest hospitals. Where the f*** were the trucks?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: The same hospital that allegedly had the trucks. You go there and there's no trucks. Why is the news telling me that there's trucks? There's a s*** ton of trucks. And then I go there the day that they said there's a ton of trucks because I got a morbid interest in seeing it. And then there's nothing. Nothing at all. And every day they tell me I could go, and there's nothing. You go into the Hospital. Nobody. Just normal flow of patience. Where the f*** is any of it on tv? On tv?

Cristina: Besides that? I don't know.

Jack: Is TV showing us an alternate universe?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or is it heavily sensational and we're eating it like it's reality?

Cristina: I like the first one, but I'm sure the second one.

Jack: The second one's probably reality. Like, I'm sure there is a virus. I'm sure there's a virus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's nowhere near as bad as people are saying 1%. And out of that 1% that even has symptoms, 96% already had health conditions, most of which were poor diets.

Cristina: What the f*** you're talking about? Like, that's the people that caught it or died.

Jack: People who died. People who had bad reactions. 1% of everybody who touched the virus, 1% had bad reactions. And out of that 1%, 96% had bad medical conditions already or were obese. The majority were obese.

Cristina: Okay then, man. Then I think we'll be fine.

Jack: This is what blows my mind. But then the flip side is, what is. Is it because we tune into the news? Is that the goal? We're so scared. We're gonna keep tuning in to keep catching up. And then they keep getting paid because we keep tuning in. Because they're always making it sound crazy. And they're our source.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then it creates a division because these guys said this, and this guy said, well, this is my team.

Cristina: So the teams are happening with this too. There's so many team events with the COVID Yeah. First it was a mass and it was the vaccine.

Jack: Life has become a spectator sport. Tranquility Hotel by the Arctic Monkeys make sure to catch up on that album. That is a flawlessly perfect album. Life became a spectator sport. That is reality.

Cristina: That is reality.

Jack: We're hiding in our homes, watching TV to find out what's happening directly outside our door.

Cristina: Yes. Seeing all the deaths that are happening next door.

Jack: Yeah. And then you go outside and it's like, well, it ain't happening out here. Let me go inside to watch it happen. Because, you know, they're telling me it's outside my door. I don't see it. But, like, if I go inside, I see it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm gonna watch it from inside them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, that's weird, right?

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: So f****** strange.

Cristina: There's something horribly wrong there.

Jack: But, yeah, this. Like, that's the only f****** horribly wrong thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, s***'s f*****. There's so much wrong in general.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't even know, man. What do we do? What do we do?

Cristina: Turn off the tv.

Jack: Turn off the tv. Go the f*** outside.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just. Just go outside. Go explore the outside world, people. That's a real place.

Cristina: The outside tv. When you're outside. Yeah, don't talk about that with you.

Jack: Don't touch your phone. I. I do something really good. I don't touch my phone. I'm outside. If you see that your Instagram photos or your Facebook photos took place outside, not when you're home bored, doing nothing. Fine, whatever. But if when you're outside, you're not outside, but rather you just outside, but inside your phone.

Cristina: Because you're taking those pictures.

Jack: Because you're taking those pictures. If you see that your pictures took place outside, maybe leave your phone when you go outside. Go outside without your phone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When you don't have your phone and you're outside, you're suddenly gonna realize there's f****** nothing going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing happening. You just walk. You can just walk somewhere and be like, oh, oh, wow.

Cristina: That's fine.

Jack: I didn't get murdered. The f******. I think it radiated to death.

Cristina: Radiated today?

Jack: Yeah, whatever.

Cristina: F***.

Jack: They think climate change is happening or what a f***.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: I think that's a virus and die.

Cristina: The cause of global roaming. Warming.

Jack: Global roar. Roaming.

Cristina: 5G.

Jack: Right, 5G.

Cristina: So that's the thing.

Jack: I mean, your phone roams or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You leave the country, turn on your roaming, your global roaming, your phone is.

Cristina: Causing the environment to get destroyed.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: Yeah. So let. Let it go.

Jack: Yeah. Leave your phone.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: No, really. Really, it really is. Everybody gets their news through the phone. Everybody panics. Your phone is destroying the world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Cell phones have destroyed the world. It's not the Internet. If you were trapped at home on the Internet, you go outside, you can't bring.

Cristina: You're not bringing that.

Jack: You can't bring it. So now you're outside and you're gonna go riot or whatever. Right. And then you just end up talking to the person instead of confirming more of your crazy s*** by walking around on your phone.

Cristina: Mm, no.

Jack: Now you just engage with the person outside. You're like, oh, I guess the inside was wrong about the outside.

Cristina: But if you're on your phone, you're gonna be saying whatever it says on your phone to say.

Jack: Yeah, you'd be walking outside on your phone. Right. Looking at the COVID numbers. Oh, it's everywhere. And you just see everybody is healthy and walking around, and you're like, no, it's everywhere. Everybody's dying while you're surrounded by people who aren't dying. Oh, no. It's everywhere. Oh, my God, it's so scary. I'm putting my mask on and everybody's just fine walking around you. You're just blocking out the reality that's happening around you. I'm not saying there's no virus. I'm saying even the scientists can tell you that it is ridiculous. It is 1%, and out of that 1%, 96% are already f*****. Yes, there's climate change, of course. It was always gonna happen anyways. We're just accelerating the rate. Yes, that's our fault and yes, that's causing crazy f****** storms.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Yes, but also, the world hasn't ended. Oh, my God. I'm not gonna. No, we're just gonna move to different parts of the f****** planet. The world isn't ending. You're just bit because you're. What you're used to is changing.

Cristina: Yeah, the f***. Things are gonna be built differently. I guess that's.

Jack: Yeah, that's pretty much it. We migrate. It happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How did humanity make it through so many different ice ages? We just f****** migrate, man. We move where we are. That's fine.

Cristina: That's fine.

Jack: Anyways, everything is fake news is the point.

Cristina: Yes, that's the point.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yes, everything is fake news. Everybody plays teams or whatever. Yeah, I guess. Anyways, that's. I guess that's the moral of the story. Everybody plays teams. We're all crazy. We don't know what we're talking about. All eastern countries are paranoid.

Cristina: Ending and not ending.

Jack: Yeah, if you're on the Internet, it's ending. Yes, but if you guys like the conversation, this conversation, you want other conversations like this, you can find them all pretty much anywhere. Yeah, but primarily the official website. Great thoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: You can also find us on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. Ustconvopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to rate, review and also subscribe to the show everywhere. Even if you only listen in one place, go and subscribe in all the others. But no, really leave us reviews as well. That's really important. We like that.

Cristina: We like that.

Jack: Leave us reviews. Leave us rates, however many stars you think we deserve.

Cristina: And tell people about this show. Share it with everyone.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing that has ever existed. Don't tell people that we are on a team. Tell people. Actually, no, do the opposite. Tell people we're specifically on their team. This is A show. If you're talking to a conservative, this is a show about Republicans talking Wokeness.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if you're talking to some sort of snowflake, you tell them, hey, this is a show about people who are sensitive and caring about individuals and your rights to your body.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then, boom. That's how you do it.

Cristina: And help us.

Jack: Also, you can find me specifically on the stereo app having conversations. And again, the show on Facebook apparently is. No, it's like you can stream it on Facebook. It's no longer just uploaded to Facebook. It's like going directly from Apple Pod. I don't even know how the f*** it just happened one day.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: Yeah. So that's happening. It's on Facebook. You can get all the episodes on Facebook. Before, we couldn't even put the full episodes of guests because Facebook had a limit.

Cristina: So guests are there now.

Jack: Guests are there now. Everything is up there. Now you can hear all the on Facebook.

Cristina: Cool. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Because she danced and then she asked him to show she. What did she say? Kick some fly s***. What does that mean? I guess say something impressive.

Jack: Kick some. Oh, no. Rap.

Cristina: Yeah. And then he said that he has wings on his b***. And then he showed her his d***.

Jack: Well, no, he told her.

Cristina: She. She did not say the.

Jack: Hey, stick is.

Cristina: So she danced first. She did not show him her v*****. And then say, rap for me.

Jack: Yeah, I think they were f******. And her dirty talk was like. Instead of dirty talking to me, tell him like, rap at me. That's what you're good at. Which is the point of the verse in the first place. He's saying his words are so good that during sex, what they want isn't for him to be like, you like that. No, they're like, rap at. That's the point of this whole verse is to say his bars are so good.

Cristina: Then it sounds like they had sex afterwards. I feel like I told.

Jack: I talked to your mother. She told me she loved me because she knows he's Eminem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All she want to do is hold me and hug me. Wants nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. Like, she's trying. She's putting out. She's like, let's. And while they're. She says, kick some fly. To which he says, I got wings on my a** and my d*** is a cockpit. They're having sex and she wants the dirty talk to be his rap. That's it. That's what the verse means. There's nothing to debate there. That's what the verse means. He didn't. How weird is it that she just danced for him when he's who she's trying to impress? Not with. Not even that. She's not trying to impress him. No. She's letting him know, I'm in love with you. You're Eminem, the rap God. And while they're f******, she's like, rap for me. That's what the verse is. Okay, I don't think she danced. I think Dougie in this context is forger. Verger. Verger.

Cristina: Mm. You don't agree because from the urban dictionary just talked about the dance.

Jack: F*** Urban Dictionary. Also, it did say one of the entries was that it is a reference for sex.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think in this. In this verse, Dougie is her Cooter. Her Verger.

Cristina: That's just an awful name for it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Although there's a bunch of awful names already.

Jack: Like, Cooter is pretty bad. I think Cooter is way worse than Dougie. That's why I keep saying Cooter. I'd rather say v*****, but it's so PC.

Cristina: V*****. Species.

Jack: Yeah. I'd rather say cooter. Hooter or p**** or c***.

Cristina: Durgie. I don't like Dougie.

Jack: Fergie.

Cristina: Fergie. Fergie. You have a Fergie?

Jack: My Fergie.

Cristina: We should all name it Fergie.

Jack: She showed me her Fergie and told me to spit some fire.

Cristina: Fergie.

Jack: All right.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 141: What is Art?

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Does all art have meaning? Does creation have to be intentional to be considered art? The duo unpacks art, the meaning behind it, the evolution of art, artistry and what it takes to be an artist on this episode of Rambling.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Evolution of Radio
  • Comedy Bang Bang
  • Earwolf
  • Meaning Behind Art
  • Accidental Art
  • Artist, Consumer, Product
  • Spotify
  • Everything is Art
  • The Jordan Harbinger Show
  • Music
  • Best Rapper
  • Alex Grey
  • Salvador Dali

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So go find people, tell them, hey, listen to this show. And you got to say with that radio voice. I did right there, hey, listen to the Just Conversation podcast live every Saturday at 8:00am At 8:00am yes. Usually when it goes up, I think, oh, okay. I'm 99% sure that it goes up at 8am okay. So that people have it on weekends.

Cristina: But they have to say, like, that.

Jack: They have to use their radio voice anytime they're referencing anything on the radio.

Cristina: But we're not on the radio.

Jack: You're right. Facts. This is Internet.

Cristina: This is Internet. Yes.

Jack: You're hearing our voice through the interwebs of the world.

Cristina: And the YouTube. I guess that's part of the Internet too.

Jack: But, like, all the things.

Cristina: All the things. Yeah, we're everywhere.

Jack: You can listen to us on wherever you listen to us.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, if you're already hearing this, then wherever you are is fine, but.

Cristina: You still have to talk in that voice. Are you just talking in that voice to introduce this?

Jack: Yeah, you gotta tell people about the show. Listen to the Just Conversation podcast.

Cristina: Do people still make that voice? I mean, on radio?

Jack: I don't know. Right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I feel like it's gotten more casual.

Cristina: It's become more podcasty.

Jack: Yes. There's a. Like, every f****** morning, there's a radio station. I hear that went from being a typical boring station to now just being 24. Seven podcasts.

Cristina: How do they do it? It's not the same people, is it?

Jack: No, it's just like, sport podcasts straight through a channel. It's like, whoa, that's kind of cool that they just, you know, a channel on the radio doing nothing but podcasting. No music. No nothing. Just podcast. No music, no music. Just podcasts.

Cristina: What, and that works for them?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no idea. How do you. How do we go about finding ratings for radio?

Cristina: I'm sure they're out there somewhere. There's gotta be. There's someone rating everything.

Jack: No, not people rating them. Like, how many people see a Thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, are people tuning in simply because it's a podcast of sorts?

Cristina: Yes. Hasu.

Jack: I don't know, because that's true. Question.

Cristina: Are there a bunch of podcasts about sports because there's a lot of listeners or there's just a lot of people who enjoy talking about sports? Like, is there a lot of people that want to hear about sports or want to talk about sports? What's more, Both.

Jack: I don't. What's more, obviously people who want to hear about sports.

Cristina: It has to be, right?

Jack: Yeah. Like by default, way less people want to talk than there are people who want to talk.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even people who love talking don't necessarily want to just talk sports. And even people who want to talk sports don't necessarily want to talk sports in front of a microphone.

Cristina: Yeah. And yet so many people do.

Jack: There's not a lot of people in that station. There might be like 12 people. Total 12 people throughout the course of the whole day.

Cristina: The whole day. Yeah.

Jack: Well, you're like, it's not a lot.

Cristina: Who wants to do that? I don't know.

Jack: They do.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: That's why they're doing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Otherwise they wouldn't be. They'd be like, f*** this job, I'm leaving. Yeah, but like, they like sports. They have to be familiar with sports. It's not a thing you can't. Can not like, and then participate in. You have to know what you're talking about.

Cristina: Mm I wonder if they need to make a channel then for other things. If they can do that with sports, they can definitely do that with just like those ladies that do criminal.

Jack: Oh my God. You're talking about something kind of amazing. Like what if you turned on your radio and instead of hearing s***** music on loops.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are stations dedicated to certain. It doesn't even have to be dedicated to certain things. Right. It could be like, you know, true crime is to some degree, it's true based on true crap. And it's dark. So this could be like the late night radio hour starting at like 8:00pm yeah.

Cristina: So it'll be like watching TV, but.

Jack: Yeah, but on the radio.

Cristina: Podcast.

Jack: And so the radio then plays it in disorder. So during a day they'll have more kid friendly things.

Cristina: Educational.

Jack: Educational, Yes. I guess not kid friendly because what kid is going to listen to podcasts but educational things and stuff. Funny things or funny things, but you know, not rated R. Yeah. And it's pretty much going to be education, like NPR stuff. A bunch of NPR stuff in the middle of the day and, like, shows that just talk about interesting things and talk to interesting people in relatively average ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then towards the late nights, you get the true crime podcast, the paranormal podcast, all these other kinds of fringy things. And maybe throughout the day, sprinkled, you get a couple of audio dramas. One here, one there. And so you got a little bit of everything going on.

Cristina: You need some audio dramas. What?

Jack: Yeah, that'd be pretty badass.

Cristina: Yeah. Let's start this channel.

Jack: You know who should, though? Scott Aukerman with all the Earwolf shows.

Cristina: We should do a radio.

Jack: Radio station that you just tune in and there's a schedule.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: That's a lot of stuff.

Jack: And then people fight for time slots all over again. Like, you could put it up whenever you want. That still works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But your wolf radio is also going to want it. So your show has to be of a certain quality at the same time that you can still put it up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if it's. That if it meets the requirements, it could move to prime time. You want to get to prime time? When is the prime time for people to listen to podcasts? You want to be there.

Cristina: I feel like it. Wouldn't Comedy Bang Bang end up there. It would be his own show or.

Jack: No, it would be whatever makes him the most money.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Like, if it's prob. Out of all the things on Earwolf, Comedy Bang Bang is the powerhouse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, how did this get made pretty up there?

Cristina: How did this. Oh, yes.

Jack: That's way listened to show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, so there's things.

Cristina: There are things, yes.

Jack: And Conan's shows on Earwolf, isn't it?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: D***. That might be the moneymaker. That might be more than one that.

Cristina: I don't know if it's on that, though. The one that. What's his name? Will Ferrell. He does.

Jack: He's on Earwolf as well.

Cristina: I'm not sure, but if that is a Earwolf show. Whoa.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: But I'm not sure if that is. Or if he's even still doing that. That might have been just a.

Jack: No, I think he's still doing it.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: Yeah, I think he's still doing it. What the h*** is it called? The Ron Burgundy show.

Cristina: He must really love that character. I don't know if he does. I find him annoying, but people love that character.

Jack: Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. People f****** hate Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: Oh, people hate that.

Jack: Well, no, people love Ron Burgundy.

Cristina: They love to Hate him.

Jack: Because they hate Ron Burgundy. They're like, this is a despicable human. You know who Ron Burgundy would get along with?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: Bad Grandpa.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They're the same vein.

Cristina: Like, I don't know.

Jack: But, you know, I do love the Ronald Burgundy podcast.

Cristina: You do?

Jack: Yeah. I love this. I hate it, and I love it.

Cristina: So you're the exact people that listen.

Jack: The specific episode that's the best is when we couldn't tell whether Peter Dinklage was acting or not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, yes, they're acting. We have to look this up to find out he was acting. But, God, he's such a good actor.

Cristina: Yes. Because it sounded like he was really there to read some poetry.

Jack: Like, who the h*** doesn't want to hear poet, dude? I was angry because it's like, peter Dinklish is gonna read f****** poetry, dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Holy f***.

Cristina: Yeah. And I think the story was, like, it was his child's poetry or some weird story like that. I don't know, man.

Jack: So awesome. Peter Dinklage reading poetry. I was truly intrigued. I'm like, yeah, this is awesome. And then Ron just f****** it up.

Cristina: And it was so believable.

Jack: Yeah. It's because Will Ferrell is also a great actor.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So Will Ferrell playing this troll. Committed to the troll.

Cristina: And Peter Dinklage being outraged.

Jack: So committedly.

Cristina: Yes. Very believable.

Jack: Yeah, man. That was pretty great. I dig it. Hated every second of it. Beloved every second of it. Because if it can make you feel anything, it's doing what it was meant to do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the point of all art, Right. To make you feel some s*** one way or another.

Cristina: But all art. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Fair enough. Not all art. No.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Something. It doesn't have to be the. Feel the same thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It comes into the idea of, like, abstract paintings, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where you're looking for aesthetic. A color pattern that works in the painting or type of strokes that look a certain way. An effect. You're looking for an effect.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not necessarily something to provoke emotion, because I find it could, but that's 99% of the time. Just pretentious art douchebags who are pretending there's something in there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I love to talk to an artist who's like, yeah, my art had no f****** meaning. And then they tell me, like, but the f****** idiots selling it swear there was meaning, and the people buying it were dumber who ate it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. But the Passion behind his strokes. And it was so you can see the anger in the thing.

Cristina: And it's like selling a story that's really good. It's not even about the art anymore. It's about the story.

Jack: Well, this is my point. People are eating that s*** up, but there's nothing f****** there.

Cristina: There is the story that guys is.

Jack: Selling, then you are not feeling the painting.

Cristina: Well, the story. You think the painting.

Jack: It's not about the painting. The painting had none of that.

Cristina: No. Well, the artist didn't, but the person who's seeing it now does have that.

Jack: Yeah, but it's not about the. It's what they were pitched on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It has nothing to do with the painting.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Somebody invented a narrative, and now somebody's following the narrative and they're associating it with the painting. But that did not come from the painting.

Cristina: That didn't. I know.

Jack: While the artist is like, well, this combination of red and white goes great with my kitchen. That's red and white.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, and it's like just the strokes and whatever. There's. You know, my kitchen has stripes on the walls, and I wanted to make some nice vertical stripes that match the color schem. Assuming somebody else has a similar thing going on somewhere in their lives. And they see and they're like, oh, this goes perfectly. There's no emotion in the sense of, oh, I feel the anger. But there is a pleasant aesthetic feeling, like, when you just see something beautiful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is what you're trying. So you're trying to get them to.

Cristina: Feel something, but just not a strong feeling.

Jack: It could be strong. You could be like, this is so beautiful. I've seen abstract art, and I'm like, what the f***? This is amazing.

Cristina: How did they do it? Yeah, usually.

Jack: But I'm also not like, oh, I can see the sadness in the. Like, who the f***, dude, Come on.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, it's like you're getting them to feel something different. There's the boring basic emotions. Oh, make you sad, make you happy, make you angry.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Make you depressed. Whatever. You know, make you feel love or whatever. But then there's the more obscure, abstract emotions, like just beautiful without emotion other than beautiful. Not happy, beautiful. It could be dark and beautiful. It could be sad and beautiful, could be gloomy and beautiful. But the beauty is what you're looting to. It's just like, wow, this is really impressive. Or how elegant the way the brush moves or whatever.

Cristina: Some abstract feeling for abstract feelings versus.

Jack: Just the normal boring feelings that everybody gets.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That if you can do that, that's the purpose of art, I think. I think it's also crazy subjective, but that's what I believe the true point of art is you're gonna feel something if you feel nothing. But also, I think it would be impossible to feel nothing.

Cristina: I think it's impossible. There's no way. You have to feel something.

Jack: Even if it's like.

Cristina: Even if it's positive or negative. Yeah. Like, if it's like, I don't like it or I do like it, that's something.

Jack: But if you could manage to be neutral, that's garbage.

Cristina: There's no way you could be neutral about it. I don't think that's possible. I don't think you could be neutral about any art.

Jack: You don't think that. You look at it and you're like.

Cristina: Okay, no, I don't know if that's possible. That's so weird.

Jack: You neither feel good nor bad about it. It's just like, okay, it's a thing.

Cristina: No way. But I guess there has to be. Maybe for photography, I don't know.

Jack: No, everything has to have. Everything has to. Have you seen a photo that you're like, no, that's a photo.

Cristina: Yes, that's a photo. I guess.

Jack: But then you see a photo, you're like, how the f*** did he catch that?

Cristina: Yeah, but that's. I guess, a person who's not trying to do something and someone who is.

Jack: Sometimes great things happen by accident. Making assumptions here.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, I am.

Jack: Sometimes great things happen by accident. That's perfectly fine. You're skilled when you could do it intentionally. Yeah, but awesome things happen by accident.

Cristina: But in our accident, everywhere.

Jack: Everywhere, there are no exceptions to the rule. There are just as many talented people as. There are skilled people as. There is random look.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, there is random look.

Jack: Sometimes you're just f****** around and something happened, and now that's gonna be your thing because now you're obsessed with figuring out how to do it. Yes, but it happened by accident like that.

Cristina: The painter you interviewed, it was by accident, and now it's her thing.

Jack: Yes, Renee. Renee, Renee.

Cristina: Yes. She found her thing by accident.

Jack: By accident. She just threw the paint on a canvas and then came back the next day and saw what looked like a face and then started picking at it. By accident. Was that there? She's had a moment of frustration, and that is exactly what happened. Sometimes by accident. And then you're like, whoa, wow, there's something here.

Cristina: Yeah, but to redo it, that's how that seems Harder to do once you.

Jack: Yeah. That's when you commit to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because now you know where you're looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before, you were just winging it. Now you know where you're looking.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. How did we get here? From the radio.

Jack: Because the radio is going to put podcasts on the radio. And then we're talking about Ron Burgundy, because Earwolf would be on the radio, and we were saying, is Ron Burgundy part of that? And then talking about that great episode in which it made us both angry.

Cristina: And happy, and that made us think of art.

Jack: Because art, that's art. That's like, all things.

Cristina: Okay. That's art.

Jack: That's art. It is a performance you're putting on.

Cristina: Yes. Everything's art.

Jack: Everything is art. Everything is art. For sure.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that what we're getting from everything? Is that why people love the Internet? It's just art.

Jack: The problem is when you consume more than you return, when you take more out of the world than you put into the world, you are a problem. You are a resource draining problem. That's why you become the product.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not the consumer.

Cristina: But don't you need some of that? I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Not really. You don't need a consumer. I mean, you don't need a product. Not a person as a product.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But because so many people become just. They don't give anything.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: They become the product. So there's three kinds of people, Right. There's a person who makes a thing, there's a person who buys the thing, and there's a person who is the thing. Person who buys, person who makes the thing, we will call the artist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The person who buys the thing has supported the artist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The person who just watches the thing without buying the thing or without making the thing is the thing. That's that artist went outside, saw that guy doing nothing, made a painting about that person doing nothing as commentary for people doing nothing, and sold it to the guy who buys paintings.

Cristina: Okay. So the person buying the things is not a problem.

Jack: They're not as great as the other guy, but they're supporting he who puts back.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: So you're either the one putting back or you're making it easier for somebody else to put back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if you're just taking your. A resource problem.

Cristina: Yes. Like the people who steal off of music and.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If you're burning s***, you're stealing.

Cristina: Yeah. You're taking away someone else's.

Jack: Yes. They made that. People who watch like, UFC for free, they're a problem. They're a problem. Those fighters rely on the pay that the company gives them. The pay is based on how much money comes in from people buying all the locations from which they can watch. If you're sneakily taking it illegally for free, then that money never makes it to them. So they're missing some of the money that they're earning because you're stealing it. Yeah, they got you to watch, but they didn't get you to give them the money that you owe them. Now, that's theft. That is stealing somebody's art, somebody's creation. They put their bodies on the line so that you can have entertainment, something you won't do because you're f****** too scared to go and f****** get in a cage with somebody to go train because it's too time consuming and you're too scared, and you don't have the discipline. Meanwhile, you don't want to give him five bucks.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's all he's charging. Five dollars. Give me five dollars a month, and I'll give you my body to watch.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: You can do it.

Cristina: Mm. That's a problem.

Jack: That's a problem.

Cristina: So that's a huge problem. You call them the product.

Jack: Those people are the product.

Cristina: Even though what makes them a product?

Jack: I guess, because they are who everyone else is going to base their things on. Usually the person who's creating is using that person to create. Okay, so in the case of an artist, you're painting the flaws of the world. You're painting your inner thoughts, the things that bother you, the things that trigger you.

Cristina: And they're probably part of that.

Jack: They're probably part of that. Those people who are the ones who are not serving the world in any good way, those are the people you're making the art about. Then you're selling that to the person who's paying for the art.

Cristina: Yeah, but the person buying is not a problem.

Jack: The person buying is not a problem. Look at it like this. Let's use the UFC thing as an example again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Bunch of people steal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So what does Dana White, the person who owns ufc, do? He hires a team of tech people to figure out how to invent a system that can allow them to track the people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who are stealing it. To ban them now. To ban them. Yeah. Now, these people are the creators, and they're getting paid by Dana, the consumer, to solve the problem of the third party, the problem.

Cristina: Okay, so the product is a problem.

Jack: At the same time, the product is. You're always solving for the product.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Somebody needs to consume.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And somebody needs to create. If you don't fall into either one of those two places, you're what's being traded.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In the case of YouTube, there are the people who pay for YouTube.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are the people who make YouTube.

Cristina: And there are people who see for.

Jack: Free, and there are people who watch it for free. So what was the workaround? Somebody got creative and decided, bomb those people with the ads.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now you're solving. So you. The consumer is paying to not get the ads, and the creator is creating the content that you are not getting the ads for. The thing that got sold in the interaction was the person who is watching it for free. You watching the ads is making it possible for the person who is making the content to get paid from the ads and from direct money that the other guy is giving to the creator.

Cristina: Both the people are helping. Both the other types of people. Not the creator, but the.

Jack: No, the person watching for free had to be solved for.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is where the ads came in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because you can get people to give direct money.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, if there are no ads, why would I give direct money?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now you put ads in place, people will give direct money, and you're solving for the people who don't want to give direct money.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I guess they became the product.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you're selling them.

Cristina: You're selling them. That sounds so horrible.

Jack: But it's the case. It's always the case.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In order to solve the UFC problem, you're selling the people. Those people are now the product you are selling. I need you to take these people into account. They're the free one. So I'm paying you to solve that problem. You make money because. F*** those people.

Cristina: But which people are you talking about?

Jack: The people who are watching it for free. In every case, it's the same people.

Cristina: No, no, no. Who's the other person that you're paying?

Jack: The tech people. Oh, who are solving the issue.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Which they do for video games too, don't they? Like people who hack GTA or something like that.

Jack: Yes. Yes. You are the cheater. Now you. Somebody became a paid individual.

Cristina: Dude, you probably get in trouble for that.

Jack: Somebody became a paid individual to solve you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's the people who pay. You don't got to worry about them. There's people who made it. You don't got to worry about them. The people who are trying to get things for free. Now, there is a third party involved to Solve for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You are the problem. The other two people are doing their part, so that is definitely how it goes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Always some sort of problem out there.

Cristina: Yeah. So when are you gonna start this radio station?

Jack: I don't know. That would be amazing. I would love for that radio station to be created to turn on the radio. And there's nothing but podcasts and you randomly discover new podcasts and you're like, oh, s***, what's the name of this show? I want to go find it on, like, Spotify or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder why that's not a thing yet. What is radio doing?

Jack: Radio and television are so slow to catch on.

Cristina: They really are.

Jack: How the f*** is cable surviving still?

Cristina: Exactly. Who has cable still?

Jack: They've tried everything. They're surviving off of their streaming services.

Cristina: The cable.

Jack: Yeah, they still have the traditional cable for like the 10 people who still have it. Yeah, but like, they also offer stream services. Way more people will pay you directly then you having to pay certain people to be on their channel. And whatever comes back afterwards is what you get. Because that's how like a cable company works, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You get put on their thing. I'm assuming you give them money of some sort. You give them money at the beginning. I want to be on your thing. And then over the cost of what I give you, whatever extra is directed towards me, I get. Or I guess it doesn't have to be that way. Put me on your thing. So you put us on your cable.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then if we make. That's free content. Yeah, I see. So we make the content. We put it on your TV platform. So your 30 channel cable package. Yeah, you put our channel there. And from our channel we get whatever percentage of views is total.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if we got 3% and 3% of all the money you get minus your cut belongs to us. That makes sense, right?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know. I don't know how cable works.

Jack: Think of Spotify. How music plays.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a billion trillion freaking songs on Spotify.

Cristina: Do they have advertisement on Spotify?

Jack: Yeah. Okay, but there's a billion trillion tracks on Spotify. And based on the total number of listens, whatever percentage of everything that is, you get that percent of the total money that comes in after Spotify takes its cut.

Cristina: Yeah. That's probably what cable does.

Jack: Yeah. So if Spotify makes a billion $100 million and they take 100 million as their cut, there's only a billion dollars left. But Eminem does 1% of all listens on The Internet on Spotify. Okay, so he gets, what, $10 million out of that?

Cristina: Okay, so it depends on, like, how well you did and everything. Okay, Right.

Jack: So he would. Because it's 1%. 1% equals 10 million. I'm assuming that's right. Boom, he has his cut. Because he was worth 1%.

Cristina: Yeah. You think he's worth 1%?

Jack: H*** no. H*** no. There's way too many.

Cristina: Too many.

Jack: Too much. The print. Like, if the percentage is such a small decimal, it'd be like three points down before you even have a digit.

Cristina: Yeah. There's probably no one at 1%.

Jack: There's nobody 1%.

Cristina: There's no way. There's too many artists.

Jack: That means out of all the artists in the world, you make up 1% of all the listens out of everything.

Cristina: No, that's crazy. No.

Jack: If you took every musician in the world that's on. I guess every musician that exists on Spotify, you broke them up into 99 groups that were evenly distributed. There'd be 7,000 people in that group. 7,000 people in that group. You know.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then there's just you alone as the 1% versus 7,000 times 99.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: H*** no. There's no f****** way.

Cristina: I don't think so. But I.

Jack: He's like 00, 0, 001 and still s******* on everybody else.

Cristina: Yes, but how is cable surviving? So cable.

Jack: I'm thinking the same s***.

Cristina: And radio are dying, though I have.

Jack: No idea how radio does it. I'm assuming the same thing too, but really, I don't know.

Cristina: And soon, what else should be dead next? I think our phones. Phone companies. Let's get rid of them.

Jack: Phone companies are going to die. And the problem with phone companies are it's also outdated. Apps make up for everything. And you could buy WI fi things so that you don't even need to pay for your phone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Texting is a thing of the past.

Cristina: Our technology is not keeping up.

Jack: No, technology is not keeping up with how. Well, some technology. Here's the problem. The older technology is struggling. These are old people struggling.

Cristina: Things that we depended on.

Jack: Yes. People are struggling to let go.

Cristina: Yeah. Let go, man. Get the next new thing.

Jack: Kind of sort of. Yeah.

Cristina: The nano chip or whatever it's called.

Jack: No, that's exaggerated. But like the apps.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's worth Zoom and Skype and WhatsApp and Gmail, Google chats and all these things. All of them defeat you needing to pay for text messaging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if you can have something that carries wi Fi around. Then you've also defeated phone calls. You need needing data. No, because you can call through these apps.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, you can call and you.

Jack: Can text through these apps. You don't need to pay s*** on your phone company. Phone company should just get over it and just sell you Internet packages.

Cristina: Mm. That's it.

Jack: Just sell. Really convenient, beautifully priced, not crazy expensive Internet packages.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. Five dollars. You get three gigabytes of f******, like, great. Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Five dollars.

Jack: Everybody's doing everything on their phone. Not for a smartphone, for the service.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Yeah.

Jack: For the service that you'd put on a smartphone. And then, like, all you really need is the data. Or just say unlimited data. F*** it. Unlimited data. Do whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, unlimited data for five bucks. That sounds good.

Jack: You could be $10. It could be the price of, like, Netflix or some s***.

Cristina: $12.

Jack: That's the average, right? $12.

Cristina: The price is always hiring.

Jack: Not of Netflix specifically. Of all the services. If you were to put them, summarize together, like if you grab the average of all them, but some of them all. Yeah, it'd be like 12 bucks.

Cristina: Yeah. Mm.

Jack: So this Internet, unlimited Internet. 25. $12.

Cristina: $12, yeah.

Jack: Good. Now it's whose Internet is better? That becomes the argument. Now competition matters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Our service is clear. You get signal most places. Boom. That's better. Now it matters.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Does your signal drop when you're in subway stations? Who has towers in subway stations? Now it matters. Now your $12 is better spent. How many places you gonna put those? $12. Everybody's gonna flock to whoever's best. Better be sweet with competition.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: Yeah. We got to put it in train stations. It needs to be in planes. It needs to be here. It needs to be over there. In the middle of a cornfield, in the middle of nowhere. In the deserts, we need your phone.

Cristina: To work everywhere in the middle of cornfield.

Jack: Everywhere. Okay, everywhere. Whoever has the most coverage.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then again, companies could vary. Like, I don't want to put anything in the middle of cornfield. But then there's a company made by people who live in farmland.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, if you don't live in farmland, you don't need that cornfield.

Jack: Yeah, like, if you're never going to visit that s***, you don't need that thing. And maybe you could get add ons. Like, okay, city areas. Anywhere that's local towers. But for the further towers, you got pay a little extra. So anytime you're in a city, doesn't matter where in the world. You're in a city. Fine.

Cristina: Yes. But maybe better than ever or something.

Jack: Yeah. But let's say China, for example. Everything is f****** banned over there. It takes a little more work to put a tower in China.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then we need you to pay extra to use the tower. That took us more money to put over there. Fair. But if you like going to Korea, like, that s***'s easy. They'll be like, whatever, put a tower over here, we need it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're probably the ones making the tower.

Cristina: Korea.

Jack: So, like, depending on circumstances, like, okay, we have towers in the desert, but took a lot of work. If you want to use those towers, you know, give us more money.

Cristina: Mm, that sounds good.

Jack: And people who live in the desert only pay for the desert towers. But if you want to go to the city, you know, you gotta pay.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I would like figuring out a way to do that.

Cristina: Well, if you don't travel, then it's no problem. You just pay that one price and that's fine.

Jack: Yeah, but that's interesting, actually, when you think about it, Right. Because we were over here talking about art, and then we're talking about, like, cell towers. Right. Technology is failing to adapt or whatever, but, like, that's an artist doing that.

Cristina: Doing what?

Jack: A person who designed the cell tower with practicality because it had to make sense. So the scientist decides, okay, this is what it got to look like. But then there's an architect, a designer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This has to go into society.

Cristina: He's the artist.

Jack: And both artists is a collaborative effort.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're just working with different kinds of art. Yeah, my art involves numbers. And I'm gonna make something beautiful, something complicated, something that didn't exist before. I'm gonna bring it into existence the same way, except we just call that math and science. But you sat down, you thought about something didn't exist. You brought it into reality. Put some notes down, and here's what my art looks like. Very abstract, numerical. And you're like, oh, wow. Complicated. Interesting. I like how you figured out this detail and that detail. But if this was a painting, you'd be like, oh, it's interesting how you made this part and that part over there. And it's a different kind of art, but it's so art. Everything is art.

Cristina: Yeah. So the science is art, the science is art.

Jack: And then. Well, think about it. The arts includes everything. Why is a Renaissance person including science?

Cristina: The Renaissance person.

Jack: Yeah. Renaissance people know how to play the instruments, and they can paint, they can draw, and they can sketch. But every single one of them was also an inventor. They were those gears turned the same.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: The contraptions they made, the innovations that moved society forward at the speed of light.

Cristina: They had some science in them. Yeah.

Jack: It's not just art.

Cristina: Or. Or.

Jack: It is art.

Cristina: It is art.

Jack: It's literally just art. But everything is.

Cristina: Art is art.

Jack: Everything is art.

Cristina: Everything is art. Yeah.

Jack: My art is thoughts.

Cristina: Your specific art?

Jack: Yes. I love to work with a thought and make something complicated and show it to somebody and then be like, wow, that's a beautiful arts and philosophy. Thoughts, Words. There you go.

Cristina: Words or philosophy?

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Philosophy in words.

Cristina: Yes. Is your art.

Jack: Yes. I like to turn thought into words. Alan Watts is my f****** hero. He turns thoughts into words, but he's a poet above all things. Like, he's an artist and he shows you some beautiful. And you're like, wow, this is an amazing mental image.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I put my art into your head, then you see it inside of you.

Cristina: His art is complicated.

Jack: His art is complicated.

Cristina: He is an artist for sure.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He paints you a beautiful picture inside of your head using nothing but words.

Cristina: Yes. And some scientists could do that too.

Jack: Some scientists could do that too. That was all of Einstein's entire goal. It was to convey it in such a way that you can get it. Michio Kaku is a great communicator as well.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He developed the art of communication. Keyword. The art of communication. That's why we say that about a lot of things.

Cristina: Art of communication. Yeah.

Jack: The art of firing a gun.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Ever. You could attach that word to literally anything. The art of.

Cristina: The art of cooking.

Jack: The art.

Cristina: Cooking. Yeah.

Jack: Because everything, even shooting a gun. Well, look, the way he holds a gun in a particular way, his arm consumes some of the recoil, sending a shutter that keeps stability. It's beautiful how he does that and how he came up with this technique when usually I have a slightly left tilt and my hand consumes less of that. And there's art there. There's something to break apart. There's something to admire. The art of golf.

Cristina: Wait, can sports be seen as art? Yes.

Jack: All of it.

Cristina: All of it. Everything. Okay.

Jack: The Art of Charm, a beautiful podcast that teaches people how to be more socially active. But the word, the phrases, they've come up with. The art of charm. Just talking is an art.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, I gotta listen to that. That's pretty good.

Jack: Well, now it's.

Cristina: Oh, they changed.

Jack: Yeah. Art of charm is still existing, but now. Jordan Harbinger, show is where we go. Because Jordan Harbinger was the life of the art of charm, and he went and started his own show. So by the way, for anybody listening to this, if you are into podcasts about self improvement and just thinking outside the box and general information that helps you in life and success and business and relationships, the Jordan Harbinger show.

Cristina: He'll help.

Jack: Yeah, he is a great guy. His content is amazing. He is very intelligent, very charismatic, Very great lesson. So go check that out.

Cristina: I thought he was the art of the charm. He left it and it's got replaced with someone else. Or someone else was with him that whole time. I don't know.

Jack: Somebody else was with him, but there's another guy there too. Yeah. So I don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There were three of them to start with.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: But yeah, you can go follow that. But anyways, point being that communication in itself is an art. How you approach somebody. Flirting is an art.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The. And it's a difficult art. Like, arts are difficult, but some are more difficult than others. And like flirting. People don't get that.

Cristina: No, no, they don't. But communication is so difficult in itself.

Jack: Communication is one of the hardest arts.

Cristina: Yeah. I think you gotta at least be in some good level with that before you get to the flirting stage.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. But it's so many different branches in something. And the art of communication. Right. Because flirting is one of them. But conveying like philosophic ideas or conveying science without notations, that's hard for scientists. They don't know how to communicate. They understand the numbers in their head. But a lot of scientists don't have the art of communication.

Cristina: No. What? No, but man, everything is art.

Jack: Everything is art. And the idea remains the same. Art should make you feel something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there are many feelings that we take for granted. But understanding is a feeling.

Cristina: So then how can there be something that you don't feel anything for?

Jack: That's interesting. Right? There should be. Because neutral. Is neutrality. A feeling would be the question.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Do you feel neutral or are you neutral because you don't feel.

Cristina: That's complicated. Because everything would have to make you feel something no matter what.

Jack: Right. Because everything is art in.

Cristina: But like your phone. But you see all the time that it doesn't look like.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I got an example. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So somebody's talking to you about science and you're just not interested. You're not pushing it away. You're not listening to it, but it's not registering Communication is still art and science is still art. But why aren't you connecting to it? That's neutrality. You felt nothing, so you can feel.

Cristina: But would you not be bored?

Jack: No. Because you're not bored. Bored would be being repelled by it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This sucks. You're feeling nothing. You're engaged, listening, and still not giving a f***.

Cristina: That's still something. There has to be something still there. I don't know. Because you're still engaged, so you at least find something entertaining, whether it's.

Jack: No. You could just be there listening and that's it.

Cristina: And feel nothing about it. I don't know.

Jack: I don't think you need to feel something about everything.

Cristina: You don't? I don't know. That's tough. That's tough.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because I feel like I feel something for everything.

Jack: But then you're using subjectivity rather than objectivity. There are people who literally feel nothing.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: I guess that wouldn't be possible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If everything made you feel something, you wouldn't possibly have people who feel nothing. That would be impossible. Because everything would make you feel something. Even, like, the concept of lack of emotion would be impossible if just one.

Cristina: Person felt a bunch of things.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. If everything was gonna make you feel something no matter what.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you should never have a person who feels nothing. That would be impossible. But the fact that there could be people who feel nothing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means that there are things to feel nothing about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because even if. Well, I have zero motion. But art is gonna trigger motion no matter what. You have an unstoppable force and an unmoving object. Okay, that makes no sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know for a fact there are people who feel nothing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So then the question is. We're debating one thing.

Cristina: So there's gotta be art that makes you feel nothing.

Jack: Yeah. If the unmoving object is the person who feels nothing, then art is not the unstoppable force. One of them has to cave.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And one of them is factual. The other one we're debating.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so not all art can make you feel anything. Boom. Solid argument.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting. No.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But yeah. So the goal of art is ultimately to make you feel something.

Cristina: Are we art right now? Is this art?

Jack: This is podcasting as art. Again, we're talking. And I said, ideas and words are my art.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I talk, I communicate, I paint a picture.

Cristina: But we're sending art into people's ears.

Jack: Yeah. Podcasting is an art form. Some suck, some are great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It really depends. People who listen to us, like absurdism. They like that we put a weird performance of sorts that is really detached and kind of gets crazy from occasion to occasion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But has logic and reason fueling it. Kind of like Rick and Morty to some degree. Like it's absurd and stupid.

Cristina: Yes. Like our Godzilla poop story.

Jack: Yeah. But it has underlying logic because all you're doing is using critical thinking and taking it to the next extreme with things that are totally irrational. You're just thinking rationally about irrational things.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: That's all that's happening. But it is an art form. Not everybody can do it, and they would like to do it. And they hear us do it, and they're like, how interesting that he went there with the thing.

Cristina: Yes, it is interesting.

Jack: That is art.

Cristina: That is art. Okay. If you feel neutral about our art, let us know. Yeah.

Jack: I do believe my favorite style of art is music because it's really profound. And obviously, I think everybody's favorite style of art is music.

Cristina: You think everyone's favorite.

Jack: Everybody. There's nobody who like people who are actively making art or listening to music while doing it.

Cristina: That's true. Unless they don't listen to. I don't know who doesn't listen to music.

Jack: I'm sure there's somebody.

Cristina: Yes, there's somebody. But it's not. There's not many.

Jack: No, there's not many people. The vast majority of people listen to music. The vast majority.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, not everybody's out there looking at paintings. Not everybody's out there looking at graffiti or tattoos. Not everybody's out there. But I would say that visual mediums tend to be like. TV is a huge one.

Cristina: It is a huge one. Movies, for some reason.

Jack: Yeah, Movies, video games.

Cristina: Yeah. But when it comes to music, I.

Jack: Feel like more people are into music than they are into tv.

Cristina: But the things that they like about the music is different, like, from one person to another. What stands out to them?

Jack: Why wouldn't that apply to tv?

Cristina: Yes. I guess. I mean, like. Like, you can hear one song and it would be different.

Jack: Right. And you can watch one show and get different things.

Cristina: Get different things.

Jack: 100%. Let's take breaking Bad, for example. We watch it and we see a complicated story about a man who went from being a teacher to being a drug addict or drug dealer. My bad. The drug dealer. And somebody else sits down and they see complex camera work. Somebody else sits down and they just see, regardless of the acting, the writing behind this is amazing. Somebody else comes down, sits, and it's like, wow. The expressions these characters give. Like, this guy is acting as pretty solid. They're not even paying attention to what the f*** is being said. They're like, wow, the way he conveyed that is amazing. It's just different ways to look at the same thing.

Cristina: Okay. Those are some weird ways. But they have to be paying attention to the story, though.

Jack: I'm sure in every instance, everybody's paying attention to the story. But also, you notice and aren't aware. You notice when an amazing camera effect happens. You're like, wow, that was crazy looking.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: So you're also looking at the things they're looking at.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because people are focusing on different points.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Some people like the adrenaline of Breaking Bad. Some people like the story of Breaking Bad.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Some people are there, like, boring episode, Boring episode, Boring episode. Every season finale. Wow. Crazy. Because the crazy cliffhangers and the s***.

Cristina: That happens happens with Walking Dead to.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: People like the drama. Some people get the. The drama is the boring part.

Jack: Exactly, Exactly. Some people are there for the action. Some people there for the story. Some people there for the camera work. Some people are there for the writing. Some people were there to see amazing scenery as well. The detail they put into that scene. That's crazy looking.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's. Art is for everybody and different for everybody. Simultaneous.

Cristina: It's different for everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: So I think definitely music is my favorite. And. I don't know, depends on the musician too, what I'm looking for in a song, because, like, I understand. I. I'm really good at compartmentalizing things, so I don't need everybody to do everything. Like, I know an Eminem track has toss away beats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But so does the Lil Wayne track, because one dude's just being a poet and the other one's all being a different kind of poet, I guess. But like wordplay. One is being technical with his writing, the other one's being very vivid with his writing. Both original, completely different ways. Double triple entendres with Eminem and complicated metaphors with Lil Wayne.

Cristina: And then what's Andre doing?

Jack: He's flowing over a song. So you need the beat for Andre because that's mad flow. But also, if you took the beat away from Andre, it would sound like there's a beat because of how he flows.

Cristina: So he doesn't really need a beat.

Jack: He doesn't really need a beat. He is the. The beat. His whole s*** is flow. There's nobody with more flow than Andre.

Cristina: Yeah, but when it comes to other styles of music, you wouldn't be looking for these type of things.

Jack: Well, it depends on the musician. For Jack White, not only does he have really intricate, amazing, well thought out beats that he's usually the one making, but his word plays up there. He has tricks with his vocal. Liz. Asian. Like, not just. I mean, no vocalization, because the singing is amazing too. But he's writing. What he's saying is so clever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Same way with, like, Arctic Monkeys.

Cristina: That's way more clever. Yeah.

Jack: Alex Turner is being a poet the way Lil Wayne is just metaphor after metaphor after metaphor after metaphor. Unique ones, too. That phone by the Arctic Monkeys on the Tranquility Hotel and Casino album.

Cristina: Oh, Hotel. And that album is like, what?

Jack: Yeah, the album is freaking amazing.

Cristina: That's complicated in its own.

Jack: But then you look at somebody like Kendrick and all of the above is in there. Everything, Everything. Everybody's everything. The best of the best of the best of everything is in his work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, he himself isn't like, the best at wordplay. Eminem is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he himself isn't the best of metaphors. Lil Wayne is. He himself doesn't have the best flow. Andre does. But he has all his thoughts at 9 if everybody else has him at 10.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if Eminem has 10 on wordplay, his metaphors are, like, out of 7. But Kendrick still has his metaphors at 9. And if Lil Wayne has metaphors at 10 and his wordplay at 7, well, Andre still has his wordplay at 9. And so if Andre. Did I say Andre Trice. Kendrick. Well, whatever. Kendrick. In all of these instances, I was saying Kendrick. I don't know if I was saying Kendrick. But anyways, if Andre has his flow at 10 and his wordplay and his metaphor is at 7, well, Kendrick still has his flow.

Cristina: All of it at nine.

Jack: All of it at nine. He's like, collectively better.

Cristina: He's not your favorite.

Jack: No, my favorite B. Eminem wordplay is so genius because Kendrick as an artist is better. He. The amount of producers on one track to make it sync up with him. Like, you couldn't separate Kendrick from the beat because it would fall apart.

Cristina: So you think once he leaves the people he's working with, though, he could.

Jack: Just hire other people.

Cristina: Mmm. Yeah.

Jack: They probably constantly rotating. Yeah, I doubt that the same 12 producers are always the same 12 producers. Like, it's probably just different producers doing different tricks.

Cristina: Crazy amount of tricks. I mean, it's because there's a crazy amount of producers.

Jack: So, yeah, everybody's got a thing they do, and they all throw their little special Sauce into a Kendrick track.

Cristina: Yes. He's amazing.

Jack: Yeah, his old tracks are great. Everything is amazing in his work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But like, that's really high quality art. And we look at somebody like Alex Gray painting visionary paintings.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Amazing.

Cristina: Complicated, complicated.

Jack: What do people get out of that? People look at that in different ways. Some people feel a spiritual connection to something greater looking at his art, because they see a visual of what they were trying to reason in their heads to begin with. He paints a human body and he paints the energy you feel when you do something like DMT or LSD going through your veins and that sort of cold, hot feeling that you get on the surface of your skin and all those little tiny little details that he's.

Cristina: Able to paint that.

Jack: Yeah, and he paints that vividly. And then you see and you're like, oh, wow. He. He caught it. He caught the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The thing I couldn't put into words in a million years. He got it different to what Alan Watts does. He's conveying a philosophic idea while Alex Gray painted a sensation you had that is crazy.

Cristina: A sensation you had. Yeah. What?

Jack: You trip and you see Earth as part of the universe and you as part of the Earth and a tree as part of you. And there's a little painting that's all of the above. It's a tree that grows into a person that's part of Earth and is the universe or something like that. Yeah, it's like just stuff he does. He brings out that thing you saw and didn't make sense in your head.

Cristina: Because he saw it. Dude.

Jack: Swapped right up to the gate.

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: I'm telling you, Alan Watts, Alex Gray, and Albert Einstein all walked up to the gate.

Cristina: You think Albert Einstein?

Jack: No, definitely not. Okay, I know Alan Watts probably did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He saw some s*** he should not have seen and came back with it. And I don't know how, and so did Alex. I don't want the h*** Alex saw. But what he saw was crazy because he paints him crazy. Some of his paintings are really dark.

Cristina: They are.

Jack: Yeah. He has a lot of really, really dark art.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Not all of it, but some of them. All crazy dark.

Cristina: Like Silent Hill dark.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Cuz it's the good and the bad of tripping.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So if you've ever thought you were the devil or saw the devil, or your f****** body's melting or something that's there.

Cristina: My body's melting. That is a horrible, horrifying experience. What? Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Alex Grey's Crazy like that. Art in general is very amazing. Like that.

Cristina: The guy. What is my calendar? What's his name? Salvador Dali.

Jack: Salvador Dali's amazing.

Cristina: His pictures are melting. I don't know what his paintings. They look like people melting sometimes.

Jack: His paintings are. Because he's surrealist artist. Right. So it's just a bunch of weird things. You're like, well, it's kind of like this, but it's not. And it's like, not really that either. And it's like, it'll be a woman who's building.

Cristina: I don't tell what it is, but it looks disturbing in some way.

Jack: No, not necessarily tell what it is because, I mean, I guess, sort of. But it doesn't necessarily have to be disturbing. Like, there's a woman who's a building.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But she doesn't look like a building. But she does look like a building.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like she's just a woman. She looks just like a woman. But also she looks just like a building. But she doesn't look like a woman who looks like a building or like a building who looks like a woman. It just depends on which perspective you're looking at at any given moment. That it's just a building or it's just a woman.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That skill.

Cristina: That is. That's so crazy. I don't know how he did that.

Jack: I don't know how he does any of his stuff.

Cristina: Was he also doing. What did you say?

Jack: Oh, man, he. If he did drugs, he did something that was very, very different. Because what you see with Alex Gray is, like, acid type of s*** is like, dmt, like mushrooms, that kind of stuff. Psychedelics. If Salvador Dali took drugs to get where he got.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He was doing some f***** drugs.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because it's a weird breakdown of things. It would have been like. It could have been heroin. It could have been heroin. It could have been.

Cristina: There's always, like, ants everywhere.

Jack: They could totally have been heroin. Could have been meth.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

Jack: It could have been any of those f*** drugs.

Cristina: What? That's so. I mean, who knows?

Jack: Could have been alcohol.

Cristina: It could have been alcohol.

Jack: F***. Ton of alcohol. Where s*** becomes unstable and kind of looks sort of like everything else.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm. That's an interesting one. If it was alcohol.

Jack: Yeah. There's a couple of factors that could have led to his stuff being the way it is.

Cristina: Yeah. Or he's just super normal. I don't know. But his things. I don't know. It's just. It looks so strange to see something and it could be two different things. Yeah, it's like Eminem rapping in his three different things.

Jack: Yeah, well, he's mad skilled, I guess. Yeah. The interesting, interesting. I like that comparison. The Salvador Dali's art is like an Eminem song.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's several things layered on top of each other, and you're gonna see one of them and miss the other until you realize the other is even there.

Cristina: Like there was. I think it was elephants, but they were actually geese. Depending on how you were looking at it. Yeah.

Jack: If you flip the painting upside down.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: That's genius.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's skill. I don't know how the h***. I have no idea how he worked these things in his head. Salvador Dali. You guys need to go look at some art from Salvador Dali. Google it. Look at some images. Google Alex Gray. Look at some images. Listen to songs by Kendrick Lamar, by Eminem, by Lil Wayne, by Andre 3000. Go look at some architecture. Go look at some science notations. Read general relativity. So you can.

Cristina: You want everyone to become Renaissance men.

Jack: Yeah. Read general relativity. Listen to Alan Watts lectures.

Cristina: Paint, paint.

Jack: Do a little of everything.

Cristina: Yeah. Do everything.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, I guess that's what art is. And now you guys know. We've taught you guys what art is because you didn't know. You didn't know before. Now we've told you what art is. You thought art was a painting and nothing else. Well, no, you're walking on art. You're breathing art.

Cristina: You gotta now make some art.

Jack: Cuz even nature made art.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because anything you make is art.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, can art be made by accident? Yeah, it could. It could. Definitely. We had that at the beginning.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: It happened by accident. Art does not have to be intentional.

Cristina: Does that mean that we were. By accident?

Jack: Yes, everything. Everything. Anyways, if you guys want to hear more things of this nature. I'm not sure if we break down art, but we do talk about different kinds of art, like music.

Cristina: And we talk to artists.

Jack: We talk to artists. We literally talk to artists. Yes. We got Renee Schuller on the show. Musicians.

Cristina: Musicians. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.

Jack: Directors, whatever. Just look at the show. Go through our catalog of See things, and you can find all those things on the official website, greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it?

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth. Extremely overpowered. People get blown away when you talk to them about the show, and you're like, hey, there's a show and you might like the show, so go listen to the show.

Cristina: And then seven days later, you die from cancer. Yeah, I don't have.

Jack: I don't know how long. I mean, you know, like 10 years later. It doesn't matter. Something like that. You'd live long enough to regret listening, at least. And also, you can find me on the stereo app having conversations with people, random strangers. All the time.

Cristina: All the time.

Jack: All the time. I'm just talking to strangers. Jumping on. You should check it out. Just to listen to other people talk. There's podcasts that happen exclusively on that app.

Cristina: When they follow you, though, do old conversations show up on that app?

Jack: Yes, they're all saved.

Cristina: Oh, that's so awesome. Okay, go listen to that.

Jack: Yes, you can hear all the old conversations. It's a whole other thing of content.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yes, you can go listen to all the old conversations I've had of which are very trolly. And you can. You'll get notified. Make sure to turn those notifications on or whatever YouTubers say.

Cristina: Whatever the.

Jack: And you'll know when I jump on, I'm talking to somebody. So. Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Go follow him. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: So the lesson is that Dougie ing is a dance.

Cristina: It's just a dance.

Jack: But the Dougie. Because I heard somebody say, she showed me the Dougie. Actually, I think it was Eminem. She showed me the Dougie. Or some rapper. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: Maybe he really meant the dance.

Jack: I think the Dougie met her cooch. Her cooter.

Cristina: Her Cooter. Why would she name it that?

Jack: I don't think she named her Cooter. The Dougie. I think the Dougie is slang for cooter. I don't know how cooterlicious.

Cristina: No.

Jack: What do you mean, no?

Cristina: I don't think so. None of that makes sense.

Jack: The Dougie. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: She did not show him the Dougie.

Jack: Google it. She showed me the Dougie.

Cristina: No. Okay, I will, though.

Jack: Google. She showed me the Dougie. Showed you said she should.

Cristina: She should. She should.

Jack: She showed me the.

Cristina: Is that how you spelled it?

Jack: Yeah. Eminem Book of rhymes.

Cristina: Oh, okay. She showed me the doggy. Can I get a witness? I don't know. She danced in front of him. That's all I can think of. I don't think she showed him her v*****.

Jack: I talked to your mother. She told me she loved me. All she want to do is just hold me and hug me. Wants nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. Can I get a witness, like notary public? Preach. She said, kick some fly s***. Fly s***. I said, I got wings on my a**. Told her my d***'s a cockpit.

Cristina: So she showed him a dance. That's all I got from that.

Jack: Nah, I think. I think they f*****. I think he f*****.

Cristina: Yeah, after.

Jack: No, I think he f***** your mom is what he's saying.

Cristina: Yeah, after she danced for him, he was like, okay. Like, she did a sexy dance.

Jack: All she want to do is hold me and hug me once. Nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. I can get a wit. Can I get a witness, like notary public? Sure. I think. I think Dougie means cooter. She showed me the Dougie. Show me her v*****. Her v*****. And then we done.

Cristina: Nah, she danced for him and then they.

Jack: You guys heard it here. The hot take. Dougie means cooter, and Cooter means v*****.

Cristina: That's not a hot take.

Jack: That's a hot take.

Cristina: That's not a hot take.

Jack: What does hot take mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Boom. That's hot take.

Cristina: It's not hot.

Jack: That's steaming. That's on fire. On fire. It's a hot.

Cristina: It's a dance. She danced for him and he was so impressed. They had sex?

Jack: No, she showed him her cooter and he showed her his cockpit. And they did the Do. They do. Dude.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Colazzo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.08 Polite Disagreements & Inherent Morality

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Guest Greg, host of the Polite Disagreements Podcast, joins Jack to discuss everything from why Game of Thrones is great to which superpowers would be best and the secret to all the questions of the universe.

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Topics Discussed:

  • Game of Thrones
  • Podcasting
  • History of Polite Disagreements
  • Apocalypse Survival
  • Vaccines
  • Thought Experiments
  • Baby Shaking
  • Baby Disposal
  • Parenting License
  • Superhero Power
  • Atom Collider
  • Time Linearity
  • Is there a God
  • Morality
  • 42
  • Consciousness

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Rambling 140: Poopzilla Causes Climate Change

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Where do the sewers lead to? Does it go back into the ocean water? Does human fecal matter add to pollution the way cow farts do? And how do we solve this poo related climate crisis? The due solves the problem of outdated sewers and climate change simultaneously on this episode filled with innovative solutions. Support the cause. Contact the Cave Sewer Society: A nonprofit organization trying to move all the sewer systems into local cave systems.

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Topics Discussed:

  • Portapotty
  • Innovating the Toilet
  • Dead Babies
  • Legal Cannibalism
  • Cannibal Parties
  • Sewer Cleanup
  • Poopie Homeless People
  • Poo To Water Ratio
  • Cave Sewers
  • Shit Demon
  • Godzilla vs Poopzilla
  • Shit Beam
  • Living Poo
  • Poop Portal

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So as usual, be sure to find that significant other that's going to listen to the show with you, whether it be a person you've loved your entire life. You guys have grown up together. You were, you were like childhood friends. Like, your parents knew each other before you guys were conceived. And then you guys were born around the same time. You're the same age. Your parents decided, hey, we're gonna have kids around the same time. How cool is that gonna be? They're gonna be best friends. And you guys actually turned out best friends in your opposite sexes. That your best friend ended up being who your first date. And you guys fell in love in high school and then you married them and now it's 40 years later and you've been with this person your entire life, whether it's that person or the homeless man that stuck his finger in your mouth while you were in the train.

Cristina: There's no homeless man doing that, is there? Homeless men?

Jack: I bet there's like, first, what do you do after that moment? Right? You kill yourself, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: A homeless man.

Cristina: You hope that he's really a billionaire who is doing some weird prank show and is going to give you money. I don't know.

Jack: Like, what did you just catch if a home. What did you just catch if a homeless man?

Cristina: Then you turn into rat man. You become. You get superpowers.

Jack: Can you imagine? It's like rolling around in chemical waste at that point. Yes, it definitely is. It's f****** crazy. What? Where, where have they been? They don't have access to toilet paper. They're just using like random s*** they find around occasionally, bro. And they can't wash their hands afterwards either, bro.

Cristina: Are you sure they're not just using regular bathrooms like everyone else? What about a night, 24 hour open places?

Jack: What if they don't live by one?

Cristina: Oh, those potties. Porta Potties.

Jack: Those aren't everywhere.

Cristina: They're not?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Maybe they just huddle around those at night. They find them.

Jack: They just have natural trackers that take them to where the porta potties are.

Cristina: You'll find them in, I guess, the park. I don't know where. They're random porta potties outside.

Jack: Whose job is to clean that s***? Dude, that sucks. I guess, like, we saw one, and it was, like, a timer on it, like, once a week. This is, like, cleaned out.

Cristina: They're honest about how often that's cleaned.

Jack: And, like, I'm sure people are worried. It's, like, how much s*** is in here, but, like, in a week, how many people use that thing?

Cristina: Especially if it's a very popular spot.

Jack: And, like, haven't we learned by now not to sit on the toilet of public bathrooms? How do people take dumps? Do they hover over the toilet?

Cristina: Yes, I guess.

Jack: But then, like, the higher up you are, the more splash, which means you have a worse problem.

Cristina: You probably can't p*** in those. I don't know.

Jack: Wait, Porta potties don't have water? No, it just, like, smashes into it and slides in.

Cristina: Yeah. So you can't worry about it splashing to you.

Jack: Why aren't other toilets like that?

Cristina: They have too much water.

Jack: Yeah, they should have no water.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Poo into it first. Make the inside of all toilets brown. Like, let's be real, right?

Cristina: So you don't have to look at that poo.

Jack: Because it's gonna just smack into it. It's not gonna be, like, a splash on. It's just gonna be, like, a clean. Every time it hits, like, the inside.

Cristina: Of that, it should be, like, whatever color a healthy poop looks like, that's the color it should be.

Jack: That's when you should know. Yeah. So that you're like, that's too dark. It's not. There's something wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something wrong. But then what about peeing? You still peeing that, too?

Jack: You still peeing it too? Yeah.

Cristina: Well, it'll be harder to see if you're having healthy pees.

Jack: Oh, s***. I see your problem. There should be two toilets.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There should be a pee toilet and a poo toilet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Thus you can tell if you're healthy or not.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The pee toilet should be the normal color of pee as well.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So you know if you're under or over, whatever that is.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. If it gets dark, you got a problem. If it's too light, you got a problem. Well, no, it will never be too light because it's already that color. So I guess white for pee is fine.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: But brown, Healthy. Brown.

Cristina: Healthy.

Jack: Yes, for poops. And no water in it.

Cristina: And no water.

Jack: That's why you need water. Well, no, you flush it later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The water will come in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then it'll empty out.

Cristina: But if it's too big. And that's why they have the water in the first place.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like it just clogs. Like, won't there be a clogging problem? You had a really big dump.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: There might be clogging problems. Like the water's trying to get in, but it's right there in the hole.

Jack: But isn't that already what happens when the poo is too big? Like there's no water from the other side. The water from the other side finished draining. Oh, you just gotta clog. It's the same, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Or there. Okay, fair enough. Maybe we. Maybe we just redesign the toilet. Right?

Cristina: What about for the homeless people?

Jack: Well, we're gonna redesign the porta potty. Well, the porta potty doesn't matter.

Cristina: It's fine.

Jack: Yeah, they just poo in it and it falls into like a dry hole.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: That's it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm sure there's water down there, but I guess we should use the design of the porta potty in the regular toilet. Which means have two layers. Right. The top layer is brown and has a hole through which the poo will slide into.

Jack: That's gonna fall into water after the hole. There's no way it's gonna splash up all the way and hit you because it's too far down and there's a whole hole size something there.

Cristina: It's a huge hole size.

Jack: Yeah. So the poo goes through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then falls into water. Poo didn't poo directly into water.

Cristina: Maybe people don't want bigger holes because like something important could fall in there. Like a baby. I don't know.

Jack: You don't need a hole so big a baby could fit into it.

Cristina: I don't know. What if it has to be that big? Like big enough that the head will fit somehow.

Jack: I am so sure there have been babies found dead in a porta potty.

Cristina: There might be people drowning babies in this. I don't know.

Jack: Right. That's kind of crazy.

Cristina: So it can't be that big because then people are just stuffing their babies in there.

Jack: I'm sure it's happening already. You can just open a porta potty up and do it.

Cristina: Oh, in a porta potty. But not a regular toilet.

Jack: You can stuff a baby into the top part that holds the water that.

Cristina: You'Re flushing, but you're not hiding it.

Jack: Well, yeah, you could close it and.

Cristina: Everything, but it's gonna stay there. The body just stays there, I guess. That's disturbing.

Jack: Wow. That's f*****. So yeah, there was in Texas, there was in fact a newborn baby found dead inside of a porta pot by workers emptying it out. I knew that was something people did.

Cristina: That was Recent too. Says June 3rd of this year. Oh, people are desperate to get rid of these babies.

Jack: They're like, I can't have another baby in the house.

Cristina: Yeah, it could be that. Or they're like, we gotta protect the planet from global warming and to protect it we need to get rid of some babies.

Jack: No, you know what we never really think about and it's kind of f***** up, right?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Imagine a woman gets pregnant and she's like in quarantine and we don't see her the whole year and she has her baby in the house and then they just get rid of the baby. Like they throw it in the trash or something and it's like just no record of that human having ever existed. That's just a dead baby.

Cristina: No one has to double check if they knew she was pregnant. Like, no one comes to check that the baby's healthy or not.

Jack: She doesn't want to, huh?

Cristina: You can't just throw away a dead baby, I think.

Jack: I mean, it's obviously illegal. Yeah, but like, who knows that she has the baby? Who's the person?

Cristina: If they've seen her stomach though, people know. Unless she hits. What are they going to do the whole time?

Jack: No, it doesn't matter. So they saw her stomach. What's happening there? Her neighbor saw that she's pregnant and.

Cristina: I don't know, they would call the cops, cuz murder.

Jack: How do they know There will be.

Cristina: An investigation and then they know too late.

Jack: The baby's already been deposited into the f****** dumpster area site. How many bodies are out of f******, bro? That's crazy.

Cristina: You think there's a bunch of bodies in there?

Jack: What, where? The trucks throw away all the trash? H*** yeah. There has to be. There's no way there isn't.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. I wouldn't know.

Jack: There's like over 90% of all murders go unsolved. They're probably there.

Cristina: Or they're all there.

Jack: Water.

Cristina: Mmm. Then they'll be in this toilet that has the huge hoe in it.

Jack: Yes, but people will find the babies in the porta potties. Yeah, but people will never find the baby that the mom threw into a trash bag with the rest of her food tied up neatly, put it into a black bag and put the black bag into a trash can outside for the trash people to pick it up.

Cristina: I don't know. I bet people found those babies. I don't know how they find those babies, but they. Someone found them.

Jack: Nah, I think. I think that was just dead babies for days.

Cristina: I don't know. How did they find this baby? I mean, it was in a porta pota.

Jack: They're just cleaning the porta potty and they're like, ah, hey, look at that baby.

Cristina: She probably. I don't understand how like, was she really abandoning this baby or did she not know she had a baby?

Jack: She like, she's like, this is the biggest poo out of my v***** I've ever had.

Cristina: Yeah. Like it could have been one of those situations that she didn't know she was pregnant. She's like, oh man, she just pooped and got out.

Jack: I've never pooed out of my v***** before. It's the biggest I've ever taken.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: And then ploop. Oh, what a relief. Oh, wait, there's a giant. Long term.

Cristina: She didn't even check.

Jack: There's a giant long t*** sticking from me. I gotta cut it off. No, the umbilical cord.

Cristina: Maybe that poofed out too. It just all came out and she didn't look back.

Jack: Umbilical cord's a weird thing.

Jack: Some people eat it.

Cristina: No, she ate it. No.

Jack: Would you eat your child's umbilical cord.

Cristina: If it was cooked right?

Jack: That's technically cannibalism.

Cristina: Yeah, it's the closest. It can't be. Is that illegal? Like cannibalism is illegal?

Jack: No, there is no. We already went through this. What you specifically taught us how cannibalism is technically not illegal. It's illegal to kill a person to eat.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. But it has to be self defense or. No, that's not it. Yeah, no, you can special case. That is okay.

Jack: Yeah, volunteers. A person could just give you the body part that you want to eat.

Cristina: No, I'm pretty sure that's not okay either.

Jack: Yeah, some guy was. Cut his p**** off and they were.

Cristina: Gonna eat it together and then the guy killed him. So we don't know if that was okay or not fair.

Jack: Fair.

Cristina: Because that turned very illegal. I'm not sure if the Case if they didn't do that, if he didn't attack him, would it been legal?

Jack: Could we. To get like, man, that's crazy. The government needs to stop deciding who can eat their own d*** and who can't.

Cristina: Yeah, I remember there was a story though. I think it was France, which, man, there was one country that they didn't have any cannibalism laws. And so the guy kept.

Jack: Germany.

Cristina: Was it Germany?

Jack: Yeah. There's an absurd amount of cannibals.

Cristina: No, there was just one random guy who just kept eating dead bodies. I don't know where he was getting these pieces at, but he would just eat it in front of the government building or whatever.

Jack: And Yeah, I remember that story.

Cristina: I'm guessing too passed laws or something like he was protesting in a very weird way. Or maybe not.

Jack: Maybe he just like. I love eating people in front of other people.

Cristina: Yeah, that's crazy.

Jack: I know. But I know that Germany is the one that we found that had a crazy amount of cannibals.

Cristina: Yes. They just chilling around. Yeah. The guy who killed the guy that they were gonna eat his p**** was the guy that said there's a bunch of cannibals out there in Germany. Yes.

Jack: It's a 10 out of one. Can you imagine 10 out of one? I don't know, because that's an impossible.

Cristina: He only knows about about 200 of them, I think he said wasn't over.

Jack: Where the f*** does he go when he find, like cannibal parties, man? I guess I went to the huttest cannibal party, man.

Cristina: No, it would just be people talking about they want to eat people and probably not none of them actually eat people.

Jack: A lot of people go missing kind of regularly. Oh, like this is feasible that they're eating people.

Cristina: Everyone's eating people.

Jack: They are. A lot of the cannibals.

Cristina: A lot of the cannibals are eating.

Jack: There's a lot of people going missing all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Seven billion of us. We can't keep track of it.

Cristina: You think a lot of it's going to cannibals?

Jack: Enough of it. There's obviously a lot of human trafficking and organ trades, slavery.

Cristina: And that thing that the mom takes out, what was it called?

Jack: There's the umbilical cord and the placenta both get eaten.

Cristina: Yeah. You think she can sell that on the Internet to a cannibal? Would that be legal?

Jack: That should, in theory be fine because.

Cristina: That'S not really a dead person.

Jack: You gotta freeze it.

Cristina: Well, maybe she freezes it right after.

Jack: Cuts off the umbilical cord, puts it in a freezer.

Cristina: Whoa. Maybe she wants to see how much money she can make off of this. I wonder if someone's done this. Someone's had to. Maybe a home birth. You could do that.

Jack: Probably. I guess you'd have to go to, like, the black market to really find it. You know, one of those websites that sell everything.

Cristina: I'm not gonna get in trouble for just looking it up on a regular website, but, yeah, probably. They sell anything there, so.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like diapers.

Jack: I know. That's crazy, right? One of the hottest things on the black market is diapers.

Cristina: Babies are expensive.

Jack: I don't know why anybody has babies.

Cristina: I don't know. They should all be abandoning their babies in a porta potty.

Jack: That makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Or into this toilet that you're gonna make.

Jack: Yeah, this way. Efficient toilet.

Cristina: But now, is that toilet being made to get rid of babies, or is it still the water for the water problem?

Jack: So, water problem. But I'm assuming you could definitely throw a baby in there. You wouldn't fit the baby through the hole, though.

Cristina: It's not that big.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In the porta potty, you can open the porta potty.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You can't open, like, the hole. There's just water down there, so you don't really need it. Just water and poo in the toilet? Yeah, in the second hole.

Cristina: Oh, okay. There's a second hole.

Jack: The first hole has no water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That goes into, I guess not a second hole, but that goes into a chamber with water where the poo falls into.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And that's what gets flushed.

Cristina: Ah, yes. Yes. So no babies in there?

Jack: No babies in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: How do the sewers get cleaned? I've seen trucks do it, right? They just stick like a hose.

Cristina: They send homeless people down there.

Jack: Why don't they? Homeless people will do the job. They're already kind of poopy.

Cristina: That's awful, huh? But they send people down there. Yeah, down there.

Jack: People down there. There are people whose job it is to do it. They don't even want to send the homeless people. Poo is part of their life.

Cristina: Is it?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's well known homeless people roll around in poo all day.

Cristina: No, they go to open to porta potties. They have to. There's nothing else.

Jack: I wonder how many homeless people have reached into the porta potty and touched poo.

Cristina: Why would any of them do that?

Jack: There has to be somebody, right? At some point.

Cristina: I feel Like a child is more likely to do that.

Jack: Right? But like at least one homeless man stuck his hand and touched the put in the porta potty.

Cristina: Just one.

Jack: Just one. Seven billion people. One f****** homeless man stuck his hand into a porta potty to touch poo.

Cristina: You think one regular guy would do that? No, he has to be a homeless person.

Jack: Has to be a homeless person. They have to be way more comfortable with poo.

Cristina: Why would they be more comfortable with poo?

Jack: Just because your body is 50% poo.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Their dad was a human. Their mom was a pooh.

Cristina: And that's how. And that, whatever that is, is a homeless person?

Jack: Yes. That's why Bono can't have children because they're all poo.

Cristina: Are they homeless people or are they just poop?

Jack: They're homeless people that are made out of poo. They're made out of poo. They just look human.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The poo less people.

Cristina: Huh? And what is he? Is he a homeless person?

Jack: No, he's the poo. He's just a poo.

Cristina: Oh, he's just a poo. Okay, that's true.

Jack: Bono is King poo.

Cristina: So poos can't be homeless, but their babies are homeless.

Jack: I mean, like a poo that doesn't go out and make money could in theory be homeless.

Cristina: Yeah, like human.

Jack: Yeah, but like most poos that are hybrids are homeless, okay? That doesn't mean broke, that just means homeless. They just live outside.

Cristina: They just live outside.

Jack: Some of them got a lot of guap.

Cristina: But live outside.

Jack: But live outside like poo should.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They live like poop.

Cristina: They live like poo. Yeah, because they are part poop.

Jack: They are part poop. It is in their nature.

Cristina: Where did you get that from?

Jack: Where'd I get what from?

Cristina: Poop people.

Jack: Where wouldn't I get poop people from?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: The problem is, man, okay, so they clean it, right? They go down there, they hire all the poo people, and the poop people go into the sewers because they're mainly poo already. And they clean the sewers.

Cristina: Then I don't know, are they poop? Wait, because they're poop people, does everything they clean actually get cleaned?

Jack: No, it's like. It's like if you used a t*** to wipe off the poo that like landed on your car from a bird.

Cristina: That's what it's like, you know?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like if that was. If that's the sponge you were using.

Cristina: So then you can't use the homeless people to clean.

Jack: You can reduce the. They can go in there and push the vast majority of poop out and then send somebody who isn't dirty to clean after them to clean the. Because they wouldn't walk in like inches of poo that's been cleaned. They got going to like power, like hose everything down.

Cristina: That sounds so. Okay, well why can't they do that? Or everything they. They're standing on everything is just poop.

Jack: In the sewers, all things are poop.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But the person standing in there is not poop.

Jack: Standing in where?

Cristina: The sewers to clean up the mess.

Jack: Oh, the one with the power hose. No, it's fine. It's power washing. They're in there, but they're not standing in the poo because the poo got cleaned up by the poo people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how it goes. I'm sure that it is entirely possible to come up with some other way to like get rid of it, right? No, the problem is that poo intoxicates, right? Like it's, it's emissions of some sort of.

Cristina: Get rid of it in the sewer.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. So that people don't have to go down there.

Cristina: We can create an animal that eats the poo. Is that possible?

Jack: Interesting, interesting. It could be possible, but I don't think we'd have like the resources. So there's so much poo. So much poo. We need a creature who would just get stuffed by the poo and want more. Just billions of humans or a thing.

Cristina: That could like, reproduce. Like, there's rats in there. We get them to be poop loving.

Jack: Rats, then that's a problem. How long before we're overthrown by the poo animal?

Cristina: I don't know. We're not poo though. They have no reason to bother us.

Jack: No, but they would fill up the sewer so much there'd be no more room.

Cristina: Because they reproduce too quickly.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. I was thinking, like, this is where my thought went, right? Because I'm thinking poo cleaning poo. And like, cows create emissions by pooing and farting and s***. And then that f**** up our environment. The climate has changed because of the cow farts.

Cristina: So we're gonna get rid of the cows.

Jack: Well, that's what stopped me from being like, we could burn all the poo. We could just like light all the poo. But does all the poo just fall in the ocean?

Cristina: I hope not. I like to think that they just End at the sewer.

Jack: I think it falls in the ocean.

Cristina: Oh. Somewhere that no one is.

Jack: It would have to be right. Because what we have to look at is we aren't really bothered about drinking or being in poo water. Nobody's bothered by that. We're bothered by the ratio of poo to water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So like in a pool, any amount of poo is too much poo. But in like a lake, a t*** is fine. A t*** like you could be this poo water. There's poo in that water. But also you'd be fine.

Cristina: Wild animals, you don't think about like a person. Poo.

Jack: It doesn't matter getting in the lake. There's poo in there.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: So like the ocean is drowning in poo. There's so much poo in the ocean.

Cristina: There are places we could just dump poo in the ocean. I guess. Like it's huge. There's unknown places you'll find a hole in the ocean.

Jack: I think that's what sinkholes are. I think they found like a landfill. You know what a landfill is? Okay. So just filled with poo. Then you throw dirt over it, solidifying it. And then you build houses on top of.

Cristina: That's what those are.

Jack: Just a house built on poo. And one day that poo gets re soft and cracks underneath the the dirt that was thrown there and there collapses and boom. You fall into a hole. Well cuz, where does the sinkhole go? To h***?

Cristina: The f*** I don't know. But you think it's. It was poop before.

Jack: I'm pretty sure.

Cristina: You think we made those sinkholes, Man.

Jack: What are the odds of landfill as a sinkhole? Right?

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I did not know this. So a sinkhole can just be a tiny little hole where it could just go way down there into the earth. Hundreds of feet into the earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's f****** nuts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But so in reading this, you know what that gave me the idea for what There are like a lot of caves.

Jack: Why don't we create a system of sewage that sends all the poo instead of into water because I'm pretty sure goes to water and send it into just the center of the earth. Just start filling the earth with poo.

Cristina: Filling the earth with poo.

Jack: But we would never. This all of humanity could fit in like one state. You could fit the whole planet sort of people into like Texas. So we won't ever fill the earth with poo?

Cristina: No.

Jack: At least not anytime soon.

Cristina: We could just Find a really deep hole. Like, isn't there a deep hole somewhere in. I don't know where it is. Somewhere.

Jack: The one that goes to h***.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what if we just stuff that hole with poop?

Jack: How long before it got filled?

Cristina: I don't know. Because I'm guessing that goes really, really deep. They don't know where the bottom is.

Jack: Yeah. Fair enough. We could just. But then we got it. That's not. Probably gonna start delivering the poo. Because then we need way more trucks that are gonna release way more. We're trying to stop climate change.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And solve the poo problem. That's because the cow poo.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And farts. Messes the air up. We can't just burn the poo. Which would be the ideal because it would just disappear. But so much poo. We f*** the planet up.

Cristina: And throwing it into volcanoes is a bad idea.

Jack: We might trigger the volcano.

Cristina: Oh. Boo. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It seems problematic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we either make systems in which they fall into caves.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or we. Because if we tried to take it to the hole that goes to nowhere. Planes and boats and trucks. Like, we need way more poop.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To move all the poo in the world.

Cristina: That's probably causing more problems than.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Because by throwing it in the water, at least you're not polluting the air. You're just polluting the water.

Cristina: But now we're gonna pollute caves.

Jack: Well, we wouldn't be polluting the air or the water. Assuming the caves don't connect to water. But we're already throwing it into water. Maybe we just throw it so deep that by the time the water comes from wherever deep it is, the water has been filtered by the rocks and crap that it's moving through.

Cristina: Aren't there volcanoes in the water? We could just find one of those and throw them in.

Jack: But then we need the transportation.

Cristina: We still need the transportation.

Jack: If we can just. Every city is built upon enough that if you were to go far down enough, there have to be like catacombs or some s***. Right.

Cristina: Where? The stuff of those catacombs with poo.

Jack: This can create a sewage system that takes all the poo to the catacombs.

Cristina: And that won't be causing any problems.

Jack: We don't know. It's like lead pipes. We didn't predict it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it happened. And we were like, okay, maybe that's a bad idea. But like, at the moment it seems fine. Pooh filled catacombs seems like a really good plan.

Cristina: Yeah. Like what could go Wrong.

Jack: What could go wrong? Unless, like, that's where demons come from and like we have some sort of poo monster. The pooh down there?

Cristina: I don't think so, no.

Jack: Yeah, there was a poo monster in the movie Dogma.

Cristina: There was?

Jack: Yeah, it's a Kevin Smith movie.

Cristina: I have to watch that. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And that poo monster, he came from a cave? No, he just came from the toilet. Oh, yeah, but he was a poo monster. He was at least made of enough poo that he could come out of a toilet and be like a good 7 or 8ft tall.

Cristina: What was he like, the U2 guy where he's just one person's poo or was he like.

Jack: No, I think he's composed of everyone's poo.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think there was a legit like, poo made, poo monster.

Cristina: Poo made. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Made a bunch of people's poo and.

Cristina: But did something make it alive or it just.

Jack: Angels make poo monsters, I think.

Cristina: I'm not really sure the angels did it.

Jack: What the f***?

Cristina: It says s*** demon. It does look like a demon.

Jack: Oh, got it. But like the angels caused the s*** demon.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: I think.

Cristina: Can angels make demons?

Jack: Depending on the Dogma, certain angels are. Demonstration.

Cristina: They're gonna shoot it.

Jack: Gonna shoot the s*** demon. Okay, so do we learn something? I don't think we learned f****** anything. I just know that there's a s*** demon.

Cristina: So it's not from their poop. It seems like it's its own creature.

Jack: No, it's made from h***.

Cristina: It could be h***'s poop.

Jack: No, it came from the toilet.

Cristina: It did come from a toilet. Okay.

Jack: The toilet overflowed and then the s*** demon formed.

Cristina: He might have traveled through the toilet. That doesn't mean he was made through the poop that was in that toilet.

Jack: We saw him be formed from the s*** that was in that toilet. He just.

Cristina: That toy. That poop might have traveled there. I mean, from where?

Jack: So that poo is connected to h***?

Cristina: Yeah, look at it. It's not normal poo.

Jack: It's like, yeah, he's like extra wet, but like, I don't know, he's like diarrhea that's solidified or something. Yeah, but like, so we connect the sewers. We send all the poo into the catacombs through the sewers and then it forms and it harvests there. You know what the fear would be.

Cristina: Besides the poop demon?

Jack: Well, no, the poop demon would be the result. And it's because we also saw this sort of happen in Ghostbusters where a lot of negative emotions led to like this demon forming over the city.

Cristina: That's what happened in that movie.

Jack: Yeah. Like in New York City, all the negative emotions created a demon that was like the big boss at the end of the movie.

Cristina: I remember the big boss, but it didn't look scary or anything. It had a smile on its face.

Jack: Oh yeah, I guess. But it was made out of evil emotions.

Cristina: It was.

Jack: Yeah. So assuming people don't feel like all the mean poops of the world are also going to be down there and.

Cristina: They'Re going to create the demon.

Jack: Yeah, it's slowly going to like, all the negative poo energy is going to fall together and sort of start manifesting more. And it's going to. As it lands together, it just vibes with itself, slowly creating consciousness within the poo.

Cristina: With enough poo, it could become so big, it could become like a poop whale. And then we don't really have to worry. We just can never go into the sea.

Jack: Well, it's in the catacombs though.

Cristina: Like, if it made its way out, how big could it be? How much poop could stick to it before it decides, okay, that's enough poo. Now I'm a thing. Well, it could be our size, but it could also be like Godzilla size and it rips out of the hole.

Jack: Yeah. Well, here's another problem because we already know that we have a Godzilla to fight the Poopzilla with.

Jack: I guess, I guess the question would be. Right. So we're gonna have a Poopzilla inevitably. Because we solved our pollution problem for poop. And we even have like the cow poop falling into here with all the poop. All the poop of the world just falls into our catacomb thing and creates Poopzilla, which is a giant. It's a giant poop monster the size of Godzilla. Size of a city, essentially. What we really need to think about is in a one on one battle, would Godzilla.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or Poop Zilla win? It's kinda like Godzilla versus Mechagodzilla.

Cristina: And Godzilla wins.

Jack: You think Godzilla wins? Because if I lit a poop on fire, what would happen to the poop? That's Godzilla's main thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire.

Cristina: It just gets worse, doesn't it? It might kill Godzilla. It might be like, it might kill all of us. Like the creature will die, but the result of the fire hitting it, like.

Jack: The pollution could be astounding.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe he shouldn't use his fire powers, because I don't think that's. That's a good idea.

Jack: So he has to hit it.

Cristina: He fights. Or we can get King Kong.

Jack: I think it's a safer bet to get King Kong. But King Kong is so small next to, like, Godzilla.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Unless you're talking about that movie where they're the same. Are they the same in that movie?

Jack: In that movie, they're the same. But that doesn't make any f****** sense because, again, King Kong had to climb the Empire State Building.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it, like, took a while. Godzilla walks up to the Empire State Building, he's just staring at the tip. There's, like, a clear difference. They are not the same.

Cristina: He's got a bunch of powers. It's not just he breathes fire.

Jack: Godzilla. Yeah, he breathes fire. He also has, like, an ice blast or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, depending on the movie, he probably has different powers. I think one time I read that he can also transform, like everything else. Like, he has transformations. He can go through transformations. I don't know how.

Jack: Shapeshift.

Cristina: Yeah. I tried to find a picture of it, but it's really, really hard. Maybe YouTube has something of it.

Jack: It would be like a clip of him turning into some s***, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, they described it as a giant eel, but it did not look like one to me.

Jack: What I'm. What I'm more interested in is, like, what are the powers he has? Because you could transform into some other s***, but, like, then what? You're still hitting a poo. Yeah, a giant poo the size of a building.

Cristina: Transforming won't help at all.

Jack: It won't. It's like, what are your abilities? Freezing the poo that's overpowered.

Cristina: If it could fly. If he can fly out into space, I don't know if he could grab.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then we gotta, like, want. He's still a lizard. Like, he can't survive in space.

Cristina: We don't need him to.

Jack: We need Mechagodzilla at that point. If we can use Mechagodzilla to give poo zilla.

Cristina: But does he have the same powers? Because. No, I think Mechagodzilla, you need freezing powers.

Jack: We could team up.

Cristina: Team up. Okay. Godzilla freezes the giant, like in that.

Jack: Stupid f****** movie where, for whatever reason, Godzilla and King Kong were the same size.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: At the end of the movie, they teamed up against Mechagodzilla.

Cristina: Poor cat.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense, considering you're both wild f****** animals.

Cristina: One of them. And then after the fight, he was like, okay, we're cool now.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't make sense. It's like you should. It should be a free for all. You should all three just be hooking off on each other. But you're like, no, we make sense. Where. Now you hit me so hard I can critically think.

Cristina: Yes, and we're cool now. But Godzilla was the bad guy the whole time. Right? And he beat the King Kong.

Jack: King Kong was a good guy.

Cristina: Yeah. Didn't we get King Kong to fight Godzilla? I don't know. That might not be the movie. I don't know. I didn't watch the movie. But I feel like that's what happened. I feel like we had.

Jack: Somebody was a bad guy, somebody was a good guy, and then they, whatever reason, joined.

Cristina: It's just Godzilla is always the bad guy. That's why I think. Then again, King. That is also.

Jack: But incorrect.

Cristina: He's not always a bad guy.

Jack: No, Godzilla's the good guy a lot of the time. Most times Godzilla's the good guy when.

Cristina: It comes to creatures, I guess.

Jack: Yes, you always call on Godzilla.

Cristina: But when it's not versus creatures, then Godzilla is the monster.

Jack: Yeah. Usually when it's solo Godzilla, no, He's just like f****** a city up.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Okay, okay. So for anybody who doesn't know what just happened, we took a pause. We looked at how Godzilla is called.

Cristina: And there was no call.

Jack: There was no call. Godzilla just kind of shows up.

Cristina: As long as you're in the water, it seems like you gotta take the monster to the water or around the.

Jack: Water and Godzilla will come and save the day. So Godzilla's not gonna save the city?

Cristina: No, he has no interest. Just don't mess with his home. That's why.

Jack: Yes. She's overprotective.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting enough. The poop monster's only way out would be through water. So it would have to cross through Godzilla's home.

Cristina: So we don't have to summon Godzilla.

Jack: You don't need to summon Godzilla.

Cristina: They'll just want to get rid of the monster.

Jack: Is just gonna attract Godzilla.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the epic battle begins.

Cristina: But if Godzilla throws one of those mouth laser things, Godzilla cannot.

Jack: Godzilla needs ice.

Cristina: Are you sure there's a Godzilla with ice powers?

Jack: Yes, there definitely is Godzilla with ice powers. Crap, I thought there would be one.

Cristina: No, it seems like it's all radiation based.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. How's Godzilla gonna be Poopzilla?

Cristina: No, he. If he threws throws any beams That's. That's against the problem that we're trying to fight, I think.

Jack: Climate change.

Cristina: Yeah. So him doing anything would just cause more climate change.

Jack: So it has to be like a hand to hand combat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Godzilla isn't like a T. Rex where he has tiny front arms. It's like normal sized arms. He could swing. He could. They gotta fight. It's a fight. They're gonna fight. They have to fight. That's the only way. Hit him with your tail or some s***. Break Poopzilla in half.

Cristina: His tail. It can't be that strong. Unless he turns into one of those transformations where his tail has a laser that lasts for him.

Jack: We can't let it.

Cristina: Oh no.

Jack: No lasers.

Cristina: No lasers.

Jack: By any means. We have to avoid hitting Poopzilla with a radioactive laser beam that's gonna fry the.

Cristina: Probably not the right guy. There's gotta be a giant ice monster.

Jack: Something that can freeze. I guess it comes down to human technology.

Cristina: We gotta freeze it.

Jack: Or Mechagodzilla. We can use Mechagodzilla to give it a hug and fling it into space.

Cristina: Okay, as long as he doesn't use any powers. Because I'm guessing he has the same exact powers. I don't know if they gave him anything different.

Jack: But all we could just get him to take Poopzilla into space. Fling him at the moon or something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Poopzilla isn't gonna like come off. It doesn't have any.

Cristina: But will that affect us in the future though? Will poop be raining from the sky from the dead poop monster?

Jack: No. Be on the moon. He's not gonna break apart. Are you sure he's stay composed enough moving through the water? He's pretty solid at this point.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, if he survived the water. Yeah, like if he doesn't though, then we have another problem where our water is full of poop. Our water is full of poop, but it's way more. It's all our poop.

Jack: Well, yeah, but it's also like all our poop is already in the water. But this is so much water that the poop to water ratio, like I said before, is pretty insignificant. It's all collected in one spot. That's not like a lot of poop.

Cristina: Are you sure it's all in there? Oh, that sounds awful.

Jack: Yeah, that's one of the reasons the ocean is the worst place to go. People who go to the beach are just walking in the poop. Okay, but you can take Poopzilla to The moon. And thus got rid of the poop monster.

Cristina: What? If you can survive on the moon.

Jack: It's fine. Let him survive on the moon. He probably doesn't breathe. He's made a poop.

Cristina: Exactly. That's why he probably doesn't breathe.

Jack: So he'll be fine.

Cristina: But if he gains the ability to, like, shoot himself into space or something, he just swims through space and back.

Jack: To us, then we have a problem. But, like, that's an overpowered problem. How would he. Let's say he did evolve to be able to do that. What would it take for him to leave moon's orbit in the first place? Like, it would take a pretty monstrous jump. And his legs aren't, like, powerful like that. If he looks like Godzilla.

Cristina: Yeah. And he can't. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: It would take some effort.

Cristina: Would he have powers like Godzilla? Does he have some type of breath power?

Jack: S*** power. He shoots a s*** beam.

Cristina: S*** beam. If he shoots the s*** beam out of his b*** to jump out that way.

Jack: Interesting. You think his s*** beam doesn't come out his mouth? It comes out his a**.

Cristina: It makes sense. If it came out of his a**.

Jack: He's a giant t*** that poops.

Cristina: Yeah. That makes the most sense.

Jack: A pooping t***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Do you think our poo. I mean, technically. I mean, we established this in the past, right? That our poops. Was that on the show or we were just having like a private discussion about how poop is alive.

Cristina: I don't remember, but we. I think that was. That might be a clip or something. I don't know.

Jack: Really, I don't even know. Well, in case we didn't discuss this in front of a microphone, Poop is alive. We've established a poop is alive because it's made out of cells. Yeah, it's made out of cells. And all things made of cells are alive.

Cristina: That is so crazy. It shouldn't. I don't know. We. That was not in. Is that really. Man. We have to have these rules written out so we can look at them because I don't know if that's enough.

Jack: It's enough. The what? The f****** rules of life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's easy. If it's made out of cells. It is the highest form of alive.

Cristina: It's the highest form. Poop is just the highest form of life.

Jack: Yeah. First you're alive, which is cellular.

Cristina: Wouldn't that be it?

Jack: What?

Cristina: It would just be alive?

Jack: Yeah, it's alive. Who is alive? Cellular. Then we have alive. So cellular. Then Alive, then galvan, then inanimate.

Cristina: So it's alive, but not inanimate. It's just alive.

Jack: No, it's like the highest form of alive. It's like equal to humans because it has cells.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. No, no, this doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, it's more alive than fire. Fire grows.

Cristina: There was rules. There was rules. Besides that. Was that really all that it needed? I feel like there was more to it. I don't know. Maybe it was just. It's hard to imagine poop is just alive. As alive as us.

Jack: It is, though, because all we're thinking. There are creatures like we discussed on the episode of Life that are.

Cristina: I need to see this.

Jack: But they're inanimate. They don't move. But they're made of plants. Yes, certain plants are just cellular things, but they don't.

Cristina: But they're alive anyway.

Jack: Exactly, because they're made of cells.

Cristina: Ah, I don't know.

Jack: They're made of cells.

Cristina: So poop is alive.

Jack: Poop is a living thing. There are some creatures that don't eat.

Cristina: I don't know, peasant. I think we were talking about sperm, and I don't think that made it.

Jack: No, sperm is the highest form of alive. We were trying to remove it. But it's made of cells, which.

Cristina: Then that's why you really gotta get. We gotta look at this list again. It's been a while.

Jack: It's been a while. Fair enough. Fair enough. Okay, so that's the list, right? There it goes. Cellular, alive, Galvan, and then inanimate.

Cristina: So then it's just cellular.

Jack: No, because everything above is everything below. But everything below is none of the above.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. So everything cellular is by default alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oh, Everything alive has all the rules that require something to be galvan, plus more.

Cristina: But it might not have cells then.

Jack: Yes, it could be alive without cells.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although we don't have an example for it. We have cellular, which includes all of the things that are alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Unless cellular meant alive, but I don't. I don't believe so. I think it's cellular, alive, Galvan, and then something else.

Cristina: Inanimate.

Jack: Inanimate.

Cristina: I'm sure it makes sense. I'm a re listen to this episode and make the list myself so we can put it on the website.

Jack: Fair enough, Fair enough. We need that somewhere. It should have been in the show notes. I don't know.

Cristina: Yes, but it will be in these show notes. Maybe like a link to it.

Jack: Yeah, and we'll put it in the past. Show notes. As well. We just have to establish what it is. Not even like a hard search.

Cristina: Yeah, it's not. So.

Jack: But I'm pretty sure it goes in that order. Cellular, alive, Galvin, inanimate. There might be a fifth one. I don't remember what the f*** it was.

Cristina: There might be.

Jack: Or not alive, just dead.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that would be just that.

Jack: Yeah. And Galvin satisfies some of the things on the list.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Alive satisfies all of the. It checks off everything on the list. But it doesn't need to be made of cells.

Cristina: Yeah. I think the example was like, if God was a thing.

Jack: Yeah, well, no, God doesn't actually check the list because he doesn't need to eat and he doesn't need to poop. Yeah, He's Galvin.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He's like fire in the sun.

Cristina: Yes, but we don't have no example.

Jack: Of something that's purely alive. We just know that that's a thing that's necessary.

Cristina: What about robots? If they become conscious or whatever.

Jack: I don't know. And the other thing is, we did Frankenstein as an example.

Cristina: And what was he?

Jack: I believe Frankenstein was. He's a cellular. Right. But those cells are all dead.

Cristina: But they were brought back to life.

Jack: So he was brought back to life. I don't know if everything else is functioning as should be. He might be an example of something alive. Yes, because he's undead. So he's not dead anymore. He's alive, but he's not cellular because all the cells are dead.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So zombies would be the same thing? I guess.

Jack: Depends on the zombie. A voodoo zombie. Yes. Currently zombies aren't dead people.

Cristina: They're not dead people. Okay. They're not.

Jack: They're infected people.

Cristina: They're still okay. Yeah, but doesn't it take the infected person to die? To turn?

Jack: No. You can get bitten and just turn.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Some examples. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Okay, so the poop is alive.

Cristina: The poop is alive. I guess.

Jack: Cellular, but, like, doesn't need air. I'm assuming it's made of poo. Poo doesn't need air to stay alive.

Cristina: Yeah, it's just poo.

Jack: And it would never get back to us. It would be too hard. It would need a crazy mutation.

Cristina: The poop monster.

Jack: Yeah, Poopzilla.

Cristina: If you had the poop flying power to fart, you know, he wouldn't be able to get to.

Jack: The question is, would he be wasting himself and doing it?

Cristina: Oh, okay. There's just gonna be a bunch of poop in the Sky.

Jack: It wouldn't even like he would think about the distance between the moon surface and leaving the moon's gravitational pull. You will dissolve and just flop back onto the floor as a puddle.

Cristina: So. But not onto Earth. It would just be poop puddles onto the moon.

Jack: Yeah, because before you get out, you still need the pressure to lift your whole body weight.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And escape moon velocity.

Cristina: So we don't have to worry about this poop no matter what.

Jack: No, if we get it to the moon, we're fine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the solution is Mecha Godzilla to get rid of Poopzilla, and then we can continue using the catacombs to deposit all.

Cristina: Why would we do that again?

Jack: We wouldn't have stopped. Why did we? Why would we stop? If we were successfully solving the pollution problem.

Cristina: So we're just gonna keep doing that. But then what if it makes a big enough poop monster on the moon and that shoots back onto Earth or something?

Jack: I think there would be many different poop monsters on the moon.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And we can also vary our tossing of them. We're assuming that they try to leave with their poop launcher and they just die, falling back down to the moon as a puddle. Yeah, and it'll take many, many millennia before there's enough spread out puddle that it's touching each other, forming new poop monsters.

Cristina: So we'll have giant poop monsters.

Jack: Y. We'll have time. There'll be time to deal with these poop.

Cristina: Because what if they become poop humans or something?

Jack: They could start a whole poop civilization on the moon.

Cristina: But then they get. They create a poop rocket ship to come back here.

Jack: Then we have a problem. But they have to like, technologically advance. Yeah, they need poop knowledge. And as they advance. Well, first they need to begin on the. The poop age, which is when they're using basic poop tools. And then they're going to go through like more advanced poop industrial revolutions and farming and s*** like that. You know, start building the cities.

Cristina: What would farming be like? You're just farming poop, I guess. Are you eating poop? Is that cannibalism?

Jack: They farm corn exclusively.

Cristina: Where did they get the corn from? I guess if, like, it's our poop. Okay. Yeah, okay, there's corn there.

Jack: They eat nothing but corn. And they eat corn, beans, and nuts.

Cristina: But how are they gonna grow those things on the moon? Is enough poop gonna somehow help the moon have plants to grow?

Jack: Like, I don't look after they become sentient on the Moon, it'll naturally start to become poop reformed. Like terraforming, but poop.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And so a different kind of ecosystem will form on the moon.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Science man, Ecosystems happen naturally. And so after there's enough puddles of poop from giant monsters trying to get off the moon, but then falling back down though, there's gonna be poop oceans. And as Earth starts warming up and we. And the sun gets bigger and heats up even the moon to the right temperature, poop cells are gonna start to evolve. Because it's already made of cells. There's already cells up there. It just needs the right condition to start evolving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So over millions of years, it's gonna happen. So one day we're just gonna be attacked by random people who discovered the ability. And we're not far. We're Earth, but we're gonna be so advanced by that point, it's not a problem.

Cristina: We're talking million times. We know when it's advancing. We'll be watching.

Jack: Yeah. In fact we're probably gonna first directive that s***. And just like we get the zoo theory, we gotta like the zoo hypothesis. You know, we gotta keep the moon safe because they're evolving naturally. Yeah, we got it. We can't interfere with. We made it and now they're living thing. We gotta let it happen naturally.

Cristina: But we can't let it touch us because it'll probably kill us. I don't.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna be so clean by then. Yeah, I mean we got rid of our poo and pollution and just threw it up there over and over. Yeah, we haven't that. Like that would kill us.

Cristina: Yes, it would kill us.

Jack: But we've got the technology to just fend it off.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Okay, so technology saved the day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Sure. Technology destroyed the planet to begin with.

Cristina: Mm. But then we made it someone else's problem.

Jack: Yes, the moon. And then we made life. We're God.

Cristina: Mm. S*** became we're God.

Jack: Of course. Exactly the way you'd expect humans would become God. By s***. Yeah, by means of s***.

Cristina: Everything we make is s***.

Jack: Everything we make is s***. And now quite literally the s*** we make is s*** we make.

Cristina: Yes, it makes sense. It's the way it's supposed to go.

Jack: The s*** we make is. Yes, it's. We are always sitting around questioning. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The next stage is machines. The next stage is machines. We're f****** stupid. It's been underneath our a**** this whole time.

Cristina: It's. But we can also see it from like what we've done. To the planet, what we've done to animals. Turning wolves into dogs.

Jack: Yes. Everything gets turned to s***. We turn everything to s***.

Cristina: Exactly. You can just look at what we've done.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. From a wolf to a pug. We made s***.

Cristina: We have been doing that this whole time.

Jack: We just didn't know. It's like the. It's like the writer that goes his whole life, you know, I'm be a lawyer. I'm gonna be a doctor. And writes in his journal every day since he was, like, f****** five years old. I wonder what I'm gonna be. I'm gonna write stories about what I'm gonna be. I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna be that. And grows up, goes to college. I'm gonna be this. I'm be that 30 years. I'll be this, I'll be. That makes it 40. I'm gonna be this, I'm gonna be that. Always writing about it. And then he realizes, oh, s***. I've been writing my whole life. I'm a writer. Of course, I'm not a doctor or a lawyer, an architect or this or I'm a writer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's where we are. We're like, technology is what we do. No. Wrong making s*** is what we do.

Cristina: That's what we do. That's all we do.

Jack: Always done. We make s***.

Cristina: Yeah. And that will help us somehow save the world.

Jack: It's gonna. Well, we're also the cause of the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is very us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's so us to create a monster by accident and then have to save it and then pat ourselves on the back for saving it.

Cristina: Exactly. Exactly.

Jack: Like, we did it, guys. We saved the world. It's like, it wouldn't have needed saving.

Cristina: I guess that's the same story with Godzilla. Like, we proud that we stopped him from destroying us, but also it's our fault.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. We made Godzilla.

Cristina: Yeah. He's the monster that we made through technology and destruction.

Jack: To be completely fair, like, we own the Dragon Balls at this point. Like, we got. We got the big balls, too.

Cristina: The big balls.

Jack: Yeah. We could just summon this super mega Shenron guy and just get rid. But it would be too easy. And it's like, it'd be cooler.

Cristina: That would be so pointless.

Jack: Yeah. Like, it defeats the purpose of everything. We kind of got overpowered with that one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we no longer touch those because it's not fun. I'd rather use our s***** technology. Like the f****** time machine and the quantum computer and that stupid portal. We still don't understand.

Cristina: Then you. Why didn't we send it through the portal?

Jack: Why didn't we send all the poop through the portal then?

Cristina: We don't know if it could just come back through the portal.

Jack: We don't. Ish did.

Cristina: Ish did.

Jack: Yeah, he hopped in and out, like, effortlessly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's probably total disregard for his health.

Cristina: All right, this plan works, then.

Jack: If we can replicate that portal, we can maybe just put that portal at the bottom of the catacombs. Oh, and make sure that the version we make is, like, hanging in that side.

Cristina: But we don't know where Mindscape came from.

Jack: We just got. I guess we got to really look into this portal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: D***. We now got a reason. We could stop global warming. If we think about it.

Cristina: We're gonna use this portal for that. Just for poop.

Jack: For poop.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: We're gonna. We're gonna make a poop portal.

Cristina: Okay. That's all crazy, but if it randomly popped up in my backyard, I feel like there might be more random ones out there.

Jack: True. And they're. Fair enough. That is really solid thinking. We just didn't. We're like, I know it's a portal, but, like, there has to be more, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The question is, is it on Earth? How would we find these portals? I think Minecraft rules.

Cristina: Minecraft rules.

Jack: We have to enter your portal and exit through one of the others to see where it is.

Cristina: I don't know, because we don't know what's in there.

Jack: Subhumans are gonna be in there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: Yep. We solved it. Okay.

Jack: Solved it. We're gonna send some subhumans through your portal and try to get them to come out any of the other portals and then contact us immediately. Unless at least a different universe entirely.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Let's do that. Mm.

Jack: So I guess that's that. We figured it out and.

Cristina: Saved the day.

Jack: Save the day.

Cristina: With our poop.

Jack: With our poop. And, like, somehow we got here from a homeless man sticking his finger into your mouth.

Cristina: Not in my mouth.

Jack: In the mouth of our listeners.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. I don't know. It also let us have dead babies.

Jack: In the porta potties.

Cristina: In the porta potties. Yep. And who knows how many dead babies are out there.

Jack: And then we were revolutionizing toilets in the first place.

Cristina: And then that led us to the homeless people. Led us to the portal potties. That led us to the toilet.

Jack: Well, we were talking about, where do we home? Well, because homeless people. The problem is that homeless people take s**** Wherever. And you were like, in the porta Potties.

Cristina: Yeah. Then where did we get the whole. Let's not have toilets that splash water.

Jack: On our butts, because where do we go to, like, what's the difference between the Porta Potty? Like, a porta Pot is cleaner by default. Right. Because a public toilet, like, you're trying to not sit on the toilet seat, but, like, the water still splashing up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like, that shared toilet, that water is toxic. And I'm like, okay, we can solve that problem by making a new toilet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then I'm like, why would we just make new toy.

Cristina: Why don't we just revolutionize the homeless guy? The toilet.

Jack: The homeless guy.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And then the porta potty with the babies. And then the new toilet.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then that led to the entire revamp of the sewage system, which then led to Poopzilla, which we found out in the fight with Godzilla. Godzilla can't win.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we called in Mechazilla to take it to the moon, where then an entirely new civilization formed over millions of years. And they're at any moment gonna wage war. But we've carefully been watching them and holding them at bay. And to stop that from happening all over again, we're gonna make a new portal. After studying your portal and send the rest of the poop through there.

Cristina: So we're gonna have the sub humans explore that portal.

Jack: Yes. While the other sub humans are on a continuous war with the poop people of the moon.

Cristina: Okay, that sounds good.

Jack: Legit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We've solved all the problems. Pollution is over.

Cristina: Yes. I feel like we found things on the moon before. Wasn't there something on the moon?

Jack: On the dark side of the moon. It's shared with the Chinese.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think there's aliens or demons or something.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, we've got quite a few things up there.

Jack: We're f****** up space. Like, that's pretty. What? Pretty much like, the more scientific and, like, advanced technologically we get, that's not.

Cristina: Where we put our prison. It wasn't the moon. It was Mars.

Jack: Mars.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.

Jack: But no, there's s*** on the moon too. I'm, like, sure of it. We just haven't gone up there in so long. I don't remember.

Cristina: Like, the roaches, they come from the moon?

Jack: No, they were from Mars.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why we on the replacement Mars, we created prisons that hold all kind of creatures.

Cristina: Yeah. All right.

Jack: And eventually some poop monsters will be there. Some people, I guess. I Guess they're not monsters. How disrespectful.

Cristina: It depends on what they evolve into.

Jack: Fair, fair. Anyways, I guess find out next time what they turn into people. Stay tuned. To be continued. What poop people turn to be. And you can find, I guess either last episode or two episodes ago, we were talking about Godzilla as well. And compete seeing what it could fight. And actually size comparison. We're doing size comparisons.

Cristina: If you. Giant snake like dragon, like monsters.

Jack: Yeah. If you ever seen this, the scaling things on YouTube. Like this star is that size. And this is like this galaxy is bigger than that. Like that thing. We did that.

Cristina: Yeah. With fictional dragons.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Starting all the way at like a griffin.

Cristina: That's not really it. I guess it counts because it has wings.

Jack: And it took us all the way through dragons to the biggest dragons, which is where we collected the super mega ultra awesome balls.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That we don't use because then life would be meaningless as f***. So, yeah, you can go check that out. You can find those episodes, any related episodes and a multitude of other episodes on the official website. Great thoughts.

Cristina: Like that episode about life also go check that out.

Jack: Oh, yes, the life checklist. And learn about it. And we'll try. We'll dig into that too. You can find that on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. Rate it. Leave us a rating. And if you want to, we won't force you necessarily, but you can leave us a review. We'd like those too.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, especially the homeless guy. All he wanted was some connection and some intimacy. And, you know, you're a kinky f***** who likes to stick your finger in your girl's mouth. He was doing the same to you just to show you love.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: And that's when you caught AIDS and died.

Cristina: So how is he showing?

Jack: He didn't know he was gonna give you AIDS and you were gonna die.

Cristina: Oh, I mean, we're gonna give him cancer anyway.

Jack: Yeah, you f***** regardless. Like, you heard this episode. You're done.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Might as well suck on that homeless man finger.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Enjoy.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: New conspiracy. Netflix started the Pandemic because they didn't let it be in the award ceremony.

Cristina: It's their revenge.

Jack: Yeah. So now, nobody gets to be in the award ceremony unless the award ceremony is rewritten to allow all the things.

Cristina: That were not in theaters in theaters.

Jack: That's Netflix ripping it.

Cristina: That's their evil plan.

Jack: That's their genius plan.

Cristina: But how would Netflix, of all things, be able to do all this?

Jack: It just paid Raccoon City, like the people, the doctors in China. Raccoon City, China, to make the virus.

Cristina: That's exactly what paid for the virus.

Jack: Paid for the virus to be released.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And they're like, the pandemic is gonna make everybody go inside and nobody's gonna go to theaters. And then everything that goes to theaters to get the awards, because it was in theaters, now it can't go to the wards, just like we can't go to the awards. So if they want it, they gotta rewrite the rules for years. People are gonna be too scared to go to theaters because the virus might still be out there. And so we win, everybody. Now we are the award show. Only if your movie came through our platform. And we might Only them. No, we might not even allow you to have your movie on our platform if you were gonna not let us be in your stupid f****** award show.

Cristina: Should be just that one director. Unless there's multiple directors who were like that.

Jack: No, I think it was just George Lucas. Right? It was just. So no Star wars on Netflix. I mean, they can't anyways.

Cristina: That goes to Disney.

Jack: Yep. So George Lucas can never be. Was this f****** part of it that they know.

Cristina: But then Disney needs to make their own award thing.

Jack: But it wouldn't matter because it's only Disney things. They're just patting themselves on.

Cristina: They could do that, I guess.

Jack: Nobody would give a s***. It Netflix won Netflix one. If they decide to make an award show about the shows and movies that are on Netflix, they f****** win. Not even originals, just things that could only be released when they get put there. Yeah, because where else are we gonna put them? And I already made them. And how are we gonna get the money back? We're gonna wait four years and go broke? No, they need to go somewhere. So we'll get Netflix to give us the money by putting it on Netflix.

Cristina: Now Netflix is making moves and making their own Hollywood areas.

Jack: That's crazy, dude. I'm telling you, this is part of the plan. Netflix is trying to take over.

Cristina: Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and Published by Great Thoughts.info Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media, managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 139: Electricity Apocalypse

What happens if the world’s electrical equipment stopped working? How long before society broke down? How what would be the best plan of action to survive? The duo unpacks how to survive in an increasingly hostile world after the power grids go down.

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  • Wireless Headphones
  • Technology Co-Dependency
  • Dog Eat Dog World
  • Slow Societal Collapse
  • Apocalyptic Play by Play
  • Cannibalism
  • Looting
  • Global Food Supply Breakdown
  • Survival Supplies
  • Crop Growing
  • River Settlement

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it is. So go out into the wild, into the woods as usual. Or if you're in a desert, I guess that makes sense, too. Anywhere. Anywhere is good.

Cristina: Find some outside.

Jack: Yeah, the outside world.

Cristina: Why does it have to be outside?

Jack: Fair enough. Break into somebody's house.

Cristina: That sounds easier.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming people in the wilderness were already listening to our show instead of people just chilling at home, but I guess there's a pandemic going on. Everyone's life, everyone's inside. You could just break into somebody's house and be like, you guys are listening to a fun, exciting podcast. Fun for the whole family.

Cristina: I always imagine them riding on a train and then getting the person on some random person on the train to listen to it. Because people like to listen to podcasts while traveling.

Jack: Yeah, could be they just pull out the headphones. They're like, what the f***, dude? Yeah, it's like, I got something better.

Cristina: Better than whatever the person's doing.

Jack: Yeah. And then they share headphones with a stranger.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: When you stand next to each other and you share headphones.

Cristina: Mm. Like the headphone is just in between the ears. I guess I'm thinking of these headphones. Like, how would it work?

Jack: No, no, no. Like the little earbud things that you put in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then one takes one, one takes the other. Or now they use the wireless ones anyway.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you could just hand it to them. And they don't have to be all close and personal, but the emotion, the love and care of being that close together dissolves with. Because it used to be way more intimate and romantic to listen to something with somebody else. Because you had to be shoulder to shoulder listening to things. Now you can just give them the headphones and walk away. And it's not. It's intimacy's dying, man.

Cristina: With strangers.

Jack: Yeah. Or just all around intimacy in general. But I mean, that's a. That's a course of technology, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Technology makes us very detached and impersonal.

Cristina: We're Becoming robots.

Jack: Sort of. Kind of. I mean, that's always been the case. We're always getting more mechanic and robotic and computerized.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our phones are the grand masters of that. They hold everything.

Cristina: If we didn't have phones though, I feel like it'd still be the same. We do something else. We use our laptops.

Jack: Yeah, but we weren't as attached to our laptops as we are to our phones. No, the phone has made it too convenient, the laptop. Well, nobody wants to carry this big s*** around. People use it for practical reasons. Now you just use your phone for f****** anything all the time, whatever. And then the other problem is apps for whatever the f*** you ever need.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If you had a thought, there's an app for it.

Cristina: Mm. I'm not that creative. I don't have enough apps anymore. Apps? No, I have apps. My phone sucks. So it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. But is there any creative apps you found that you didn't think exist would have existed?

Jack: Not anything per se, but I know that there's an app for everything, usually consuming a person's life. If you are going to jog, get an app on your phone. You can track your progress while you're outside jogging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're going to eat. Get a food schedule so you know how many calories you're consuming, how many meals you've had.

Cristina: There's app for studying, so you don't look at your phone, so it records, but it has to be on, I guess. So you're still using. Using the phone.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: To not use the phone.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's. It's, it's ridiculous. Yeah, your phone holds your phone number so you don't have to remember them anymore.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And Google's on your phone. You don't have to learn anything.

Cristina: Because of Google.

Jack: Because of Google, you don't have to learn anything. They just put out an app for like solving kids math problems or some as powered by Google.

Cristina: And it's like, why are you advertising that Google? I mean, I think it's from Google though.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And the other problem is like, are they wrong though? Because like, oh, you know, you got to learn how to do this in your head because you're not gonna have a calculator everywhere you go.

Cristina: My Google's like, I'll be your calculator everywhere you go.

Jack: Yeah, I'll be your calculator everywhere you go. Teachers lie, dude. Well, they didn't know. They didn't know. They're like, you never, you're not gonna have a calculator everywhere you go. It's like, no, no. We're gonna have the planets total 100% knowledge. All of it, all the time in my pocket.

Cristina: Yes. So how important is math now? What do teachers say?

Jack: It's the same idea as cursive writing. Who gives a s***?

Cristina: Yeah, that's more like a hobby thing now.

Jack: Like who gives a crap about math anymore? Yeah, your phone does. All of it.

Cristina: Yeah. So what is math class like if you don't need to do any of it?

Jack: I don't need to like show your work. It's like, why, what's it, what? Teachers send us messages? What is your new bullshit excuse for why they need to show the work? What if the power goes out? Then math doesn't matter anymore. Yes, while we have power, your phone will solve it.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: When the power is out, everybody's gonna go on a dog eat dog murdering spree. And survivors don't need math. They're already the strongest. They're just gonna take the thing. They're not gonna f****** barter or exchange anything.

Cristina: How do you know? Why would it go straight to doggy dog?

Jack: It would go, from today we have power. Five minutes from now, all the power of the earth dies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: 15 minutes from then. There are raiders outside in full Raider uniforms.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Pillaging and stealing everything.

Cristina: How do they even know? Like was there announcement that they know that the power is not going to come back on?

Jack: Nobody's going to wait that long. They're just like, well, I'm going to go to the next town where the power is at. And then they get there and there's no power. Like, well, I'm going two towns over. I'm going to go to the f****** power plant. Because they need to have power. They're like, oh, power plant is done too.

Cristina: And that's when they decide to raid everything.

Jack: It'd be so good. People at the power plant are going to like f****** start screaming it off rooftops.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it's just going to create a chain, like a wave of f****** everybody being aware that there's no power.

Cristina: It'S just in that area. Or this is the world.

Jack: Well, it would happen like this. No, it's everywhere. Because in theory we assume that there, there are people at the, the power plants. They're like, oh my God, the power's gone. It's gone forever. And we know because we work at a power plant.

Cristina: Ah. And then once that's all machines.

Jack: Exactly. Like numbers told us or something. And then they run and they jump in a car that's totally 100% gas powered and has no electricity in it. And then they drive straight into city. Oh, the power's gone. We're all gonna die. And then everybody. Oh my God, the guy I know who works at the power showed up in his totally mechanical car.

Cristina: Everyone gonna get. Because how long will it take for everyone to have that information? Since they're not using the computer, they can't find it online.

Jack: That's actually interesting.

Cristina: Now you have to hear it from someone who heard it from someone who heard it from someone. Like how long does it take you to actually find out that?

Jack: A lot of people would just assume it's coming back and they would just assume it's in their area only.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder how long would pass by when you're like, this isn't normal.

Jack: Yeah. Like this is. I mean obviously the power goes out and you're like, well, something's happening at the power plant for day one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They like three, you start kind of like, s***'s weird. And you've already seen. Some people are already acting out just cuz they don't know.

Cristina: But there's some people who do know.

Jack: Some people do know. And we were assuming like reality. Right. Totally real. Most people don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And at the beginning, day one, everybody's fine. Some people are noy. They're outside. There's more people outside. There's nothing to do inside right now. There's more people outside and they're just, you know, being stupid. Some people fight each other, whatever, just because. Nothing better doing. We're all out here at the same time. Day two, there's some people questioning. It's like, what the f*** is going on? Shouldn't this be up by now? Day three is like there was no storm. You're trying to figure out what the f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And my phone is dead too. I didn't even use my phone. Why isn't that working?

Cristina: And so if someone did tell them, they probably don't trust that information right away.

Jack: Exactly. But day three to day four, you have people who are now starting to get desperate because they, they're having withdrawal symptoms from the Internet. There's a lot of people who would be having withdrawals from the Internet. A lot of people stressing out. Yeah, they're gonna be outside freaking. Not just Internet withdrawal, but TV withdrawal, video game withdrawal. Yeah, A lot of people who need electricity. They need electricity. Are gonna be outside kind of freaking out. You don't even need to know that. It's not coming back yet. Or ever. You don't know. You're still. It'll come back eventually, but some people are just gonna be starting to go off the rails no matter what.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't even know. They're just like, no. F***, this sucks. It's crazy s***. Fights are gonna get more intense every day eventually. Well, there's no cars. Cars that require electricity are just not gonna work anymore.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I don't know why the power stopped, but those cars are not moving, so what the f***?

Cristina: So then what do they do? Do they starve to death? I guess not.

Jack: No. Because people are gonna. That's when the violence starts.

Cristina: Oh, for the food.

Jack: Yeah. Because food isn't arriving back at the supermarkets. There's no truck delivering anything.

Jack: That truck is also just stationary somewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now people already bought all they could. They, you know, they adapted. For the first few. Couple of days, people shopped at the supermarket, but now the supermarkets run dry.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No new deliveries.

Cristina: And people who didn't do food shopping because they thought this was just normal, probably ate like normal.

Jack: Yes. And they're starting to get desperate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before long, a weekend. Oh. That's when s*** starts hitting the fan. M************ start going outside and just like. Well, we gotta f******. We gotta survive. We haven't heard anything from the government because we can't.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We haven't heard anything from anybody. Is f****** rumors out here. The power's never coming back. What's coming back tomorrow. And we've heard it's coming back tomorrow. Every f****** day. We heard it's never coming back. Every f****** day. And people are out there just robbing m************ already. What am I gonna do? I'm just gonna sit here and starve to death? Somebody has food. That supermarket had food when it began. Somebody has food.

Cristina: So you just go robbing every place.

Jack: You can start getting hostile. Survival.

Cristina: Yeah. But you go into every house or something. But then you end up getting hurt probably too. Not you.

Jack: Desperation will send somebody mad. When you start running out of food and start to get hungry, you stop giving a f***.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: You stop giving a f***, and people will start killing each other. It's gonna happen pretty quickly. Under two weeks. Under two weeks without electricity in any form. Everything is destabilized.

Cristina: Whoa. What?

Jack: Yeah, I think under two weeks.

Cristina: How many people you think are gonna die at that time?

Jack: Holy f***. A lot.

Cristina: A lot?

Jack: A lot. In the millions, easily.

Cristina: From just murder or suicide?

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Both. Okay. In the millions.

Jack: In the millions. And I'M not talking like 1 million people two weeks in. No, I'm talking like. Like, what are the Japanese gonna do? What is the f****** Chinese gonna do with no electricity? Oh, bro, there's so many people there, they're just gonna murder each other. Us, oh, we're so spoiled. We need electricity. The west, all the Western countries. Holy f***.

Cristina: How long do you think it takes for someone to eat people?

Jack: When you stop finding food, that's gonna. Cannibalism is real. Within a month. Within a month.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You ran out of food. You stopped keeping track of when was the last time you ate. And you're just thinking you're gonna starve every day.

Cristina: Yeah. You gotta find a house with a garden.

Jack: Yeah. Growing your own food is the only option, but then you totally risk. At risk.

Cristina: At risk.

Jack: Yeah, you're at risk. You can't let anybody know you're growing food.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anybody enters your yard, you gotta kill them. You can't have them leave and talk about your garden.

Cristina: You kill them and eat them.

Jack: Yeah. You got food. Anybody goes into your garden, Food. Immediately.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You cannot have anybody tell anyone else that you have a garden that you're growing food in.

Cristina: How do you get away with that? I don't know.

Jack: The best option would be a rooftop garden on the highest building so nobody sees you from any other building.

Cristina: Yeah. So you have to already be on.

Jack: A building, you have to already live in a building. And you already have to have the top garden set up to grow plants. And then you could do that effectively.

Cristina: Do you have to live up there too?

Jack: You have to live up there. You could have the last floor saved for yourself. You had no reason to go down because you have food up there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And assuming you can set up a cauldron pretty easily, you could collect water as well. Ooh, rainwater.

Cristina: Rainwater. Yes. Is rainwater also the thing that turns people into werewolves? Is that one of the things I don't remember.

Jack: I have an idea.

Cristina: So we gotta be careful, but I.

Jack: Know a month in, a month in. Cannibal. Cannibalism is real.

Cristina: That is so crazy fast. It's not fast, but it's gonna feel like forever. Yeah, I guess, if you're starving, man.

Jack: Isn't that crazy? We have no other chains of delivering food.

Cristina: No other chain.

Jack: We've turned everything into something that relies on electricity. Yeah, all of it. Everything shows up in trucks. They have a computer that allows that truck to run everything.

Cristina: Every vehicle?

Jack: Every vehicle.

Cristina: We have carts. We can use that.

Jack: Carts?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like the shopping carts.

Jack: What are we gonna do? Cross the country in a shopping cart?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: Tile all the carts together, I guess. I don't know.

Jack: And who's pulling in how?

Cristina: I don't know. I'm assuming a group of people are going to rob some place that has all this food and stuff.

Jack: I'm so confused.

Cristina: Like, where did the shopping. The stores get their products from?

Jack: Okay. Right. But we get. What are we gonna do with it? We just have shopping carts. We're not delivering it anywhere. We're just hoarding the food. People are eating each other no matter what. See Apocalypse. Nobody's f****** going out generously giving out the food that they've taken. No, that's it.

Cristina: That's why it's a group of people doing it, so that they can keep it for themselves.

Jack: Yeah. So there's no food delivery, no supply chain anymore. Supply chain is gone.

Cristina: Eventually there would be one, I would guess, if it's like the Walking Dead, where eventually a city happened.

Jack: I mean, maybe, but we have to rely on people being honest and, you know, wanting to f****** work together. To work together and, like, give some of their stuff to somebody else. In the middle of a nightmare scenario.

Cristina: Yeah. I mean, in the beginning, it's a nightmare, but once there's not that much people left, you kind of want to be with other people.

Jack: Yeah. You find yourself sort of obligated.

Cristina: Yeah. I think you'd probably give it up, your food to share with someone else just to have the company of someone else.

Jack: Yeah. So fascinating. I don't know, man. That's kind of crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You don't even need zombies.

Cristina: Just.

Jack: Just lack of power.

Cristina: Yeah. Whatever happened in the road always wants.

Jack: No, you don't need. That's so excessive. You don't need that much to happen.

Cristina: No, you don't need that much.

Jack: You just remove electricity. That's how dependent we are on just electricity. We're not even talking computers. Like, we're dumb.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which one of us can, like, create something just, like, really practical, not artistic, like, really advance our living conditions? That's actually accented in the Walking Dead with that old lady who has the book of things everybody should probably already know how to do?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they don't. And so she's smart as f****** having it.

Cristina: That is smart. Yeah.

Jack: Which one of us can build a functional windmill?

Cristina: Get a book for that. No. I feel like it's still gonna be complicated. I don't know.

Jack: Where have you ever seen a book for windmills? How to Build one not what it is. Not an encyclopedia.

Cristina: A book on windmills, I think.

Jack: Like how to build a windmill. Yeah, yeah. That kind of is important.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. That book doesn't exist, does it?

Jack: No. I'm sure somebody will make it. But what are the odds we'll ever see that person in this scenario? Like, we got to be so fortunate for that person to be trying to barter around us.

Cristina: Yeah. Windmill. There must be something easier to make than a windmill. Man. But that's a good idea. If it's like the one in the grand tour. Not the grand tour. The other show with the guy. The guy from the Great Escape. The two guys that made. It's like a windmill. No, it was a watermill. That's what it was.

Jack: Yeah, it was a watermill.

Cristina: Watermill. I wonder if that's easier to make. Probably you still need that water. Like you need that water. But where are you going to find that water?

Jack: But. Well, do you just find a river or something?

Cristina: Yeah, but you gotta live by there. And that's not safe.

Jack: If it's a river. Why wouldn't that be safe?

Cristina: Because you're out in the open. I don't know if someone's coming around the water. But if other people see it, I.

Jack: Mean, it's a river. Are they taking over the whole river?

Cristina: They are seeing. No, they see the windmill from far away. They want to.

Jack: They'll probably get rid of you anywhere you are. You have to. But I see what you mean. Like, it's really unnatural.

Cristina: Yeah. It will be easily spotted.

Jack: Yeah. So you have to make it in the middle of nowhere by a river.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like somewhere nobody would venture if that.

Cristina: Was easy to do.

Jack: Yeah. And the best option would be at a high altitude. So you get the water coming down. Then that pushes the watermill.

Cristina: Man. But I don't think it's possible because what they were using, though was like bamboo, and that's kind of tough to use. That's a nice material. Like, that's not natural in any.

Jack: Or you can find yourself an existing watermill by river and then start structuring things based on the watermill. So you. You gotta assume electricity isn't gonna happen. So the watermill is a giant gear, and you have to make everything mechanical and dependent on the giant gear.

Cristina: Yes, but what kind of things can you make?

Jack: For example, if you need to crush things, the watermill should be connected to a machine that in the turn of the watermill, something comes up and down, crushing something. So now you have just something attached to the other thing that sort of propels the motion of crushing.

Cristina: But would that be loud? Because you don't want the whole attention.

Jack: In the middle of nowhere.

Cristina: Okay. You're in the middle of nowhere, so it doesn't matter.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or you're at an existing watermill, which is already. The water is pretty loud.

Cristina: Yeah. That's an interesting idea. Yeah.

Jack: You just build things off of the watermill, making sure never to obstruct the watermill because you need its force. But it could mechanically make some things work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just have to be very mechanically minded because electricity is no longer a thing that'll function.

Cristina: It's like a lot of people just find those houses that have a bunch of sun. What is that called? The sun?

Jack: Solar panels.

Cristina: Solar panels. The houses that have a bunch of solar panels on their roofs. Because that would help, wouldn't it? Or would their house just stop working because no electricity? No electricity. I don't know.

Jack: I'm assuming in this world nothing electrical works.

Cristina: Even solar. Are solar panels electrical? It's not a lot, though. It is.

Jack: They generate electricity from the sun though.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's not working either.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why, but no electricity works.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. So this is a water powered world.

Jack: Yeah. Because back at the beginning, some dude is like, the numbers told him electricity.

Cristina: Is done, but even from the sun, that's just crazy. Okay. But okay, yeah.

Jack: Something about our atmosphere, whatever, is not allowing the conversion of heat to electricity anymore.

Cristina: Yeah. So then the sun. Okay. So then the water. Then we just use water. All right. And then, I don't know, we could use heat.

Jack: Definitely heat. Now, for example, a steam powered ship of some sort. We can still have boats functioning. We can have steam powered cars.

Cristina: Steam powered cars?

Jack: Yeah. We would move into a steampunk kind of society. In order to calm things down, you.

Cristina: Have to be able to make steam powered stuff.

Jack: Some like, people will be out there.

Cristina: If you live on the river though, you can at least depend on fishing maybe.

Jack: Yes. You'll have food and water.

Cristina: Yeah. And if you know how to make traps, you can have like ducks.

Jack: I don't know animals, they hang out by the river. Like deer and crap like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's food.

Cristina: There is food there.

Jack: You also have to know how to hunt, though.

Cristina: Yes. Not just the traps.

Jack: Hunting as well.

Cristina: Like in the forest?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The game.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Learning how to get your own food.

Cristina: That's cool. Rabbits are gonna be hard. Deer's gonna be hard.

Jack: Rabbits are pretty easy. If you have cages and crap.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like fishing is the first.

Jack: Way to go and probably the healthiest too.

Cristina: Mmm. Yes. And if you can grow your own plants, of course.

Jack: And also, all things considered, fishing is one of the easiest ways to go too. If you have a very powerful river, build a sort of net that allows the water through but catches the fish.

Cristina: Yes, that's nice.

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Catching fish and eating berries, well, you gotta be careful with that, I guess.

Jack: Also because you're in by water already, the soil will naturally be wet. Closer to the river, if you can find seeds, you can plant things that will start growing that you can eat.

Cristina: Yeah, but when you're really, when you're starving and you just find the place, what are you eating at the beginning?

Jack: Fish for sure. You can make a net out of f****** anything.

Cristina: Yeah, because I'm thinking plants would be easy, but at the same time it wouldn't because you don't know what's poisonous or not. It all looks the same.

Jack: You want to find a. You want to find and clear out a patch by the watermill of plants. And then you're going to plant there the seeds for your new plants. And you're going to try to cover the watermill with foliage by planting a bunch of s*** around it to obscure it more and more. But also you're going to be eating the things you planted. Double winners.

Cristina: But where were they getting the seeds from?

Jack: Well, you already found the watermelon. You just got to remember where it is, which is just follow the river and you'll get there. Make trips to town or whatever, to the nearest place.

Cristina: You don't even have to have good fruits. It could be spoiled fruits if for some reason no one ate any fruits or it's just trash or something like leftover. There should be seeds in them.

Jack: Yeah. Go to. Go to places where you would normally buy seeds and steal them. Most people aren't gonna think about that.

Cristina: Yes, Home Depot.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. People aren't thinking about that s***. They're like, where's the food? And it's like, why don't you plant own food?

Cristina: Yeah, you can find a bunch of helpful stuff there.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: In places like that. Not just seeds, but like a Home.

Jack: Depot is a pretty solid place to close yourself into. And you put all the crap on the roof to grow plants and s***.

Cristina: They also have their own area of plants that you could have. You can take out what you can't eat and just put the seeds in those pots.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Or they actually have pots and dirt. So you could make it yourself.

Jack: Yeah, but you also want to have water.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna die in Home Depot. Oh, and there's no food either. Until the plants provide.

Cristina: You're gonna be eating the garbage that they sell for short.

Jack: They don't have enough.

Cristina: They don't have enough.

Jack: Home Depot doesn't have enough garbage for sale. Oh, okay, so you kind of f*****. Yeah, you do need. But definitely into nature. That's number one. People who are like, I'm gonna go to a hospital. You're gonna die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm gonna go to a police station.

Cristina: Medical stuff you have at home.

Jack: Well, what you could do is if you really think the s***'s hitting the fan, go and buy a f*** ton of medical supplies in bulk before anything is looted. And then you also go and you buy a s*** ton of candy bars right off the bat. If you really think s***'s about to hit the fan. Stock up on anything that has a. Like, takes long to expire, is really light, is really small, that you can throw into a bag in giant amounts. Candy bars and s***. Like Twinkies. Energy. But you can't eat s*** else when you can't eat s*** else. A Twinkie will make the difference.

Cristina: Twinkies.

Jack: Twinkie. It's fat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So much fat and sugar. Energy. Ah. So wired that you can it sustain. It'll sustain you for a while. You don't want to eat a Twinkie and have normal food throughout the day at all. You want any food after a Twinkie.

Cristina: That should be your meal.

Jack: That's your meal. Well, if you're starving. Twinkie. Yeah, that'll do a lot. Mad sugar, mad fat.

Cristina: Like nuts are helpful though.

Jack: Yes. You have nuts, you have candy bars, you have granola bars. Anything light that you can throw into a single backpack is your food.

Cristina: And the problem though, with water is how to get enough water. Like if you have a bunch of water, it could be too heavy. Like, how much can you tell?

Jack: You're not taking water. No, you're going to the water.

Cristina: You're going to the water. Okay, but if your first stop is Home Depot, then what?

Jack: You are not stopping at Home Depot in this case, you just bought a bunch of candy bars. Medical supplies that you're gonna do. All the candy bars and other food goes in the book bag.

Cristina: Yes. And the medical supplies. Seeds too, then.

Jack: Yeah. You could go buy seeds. Yeah, that's why you go to Home Depot. Yeah, 100%. You buy a crap ton of seeds. But that's easy because you can have a bag of seeds. It's like a thousand seeds, and it's smaller than a candy bar when their seeds expires.

Cristina: I want to check that out, but doesn't matter.

Jack: You're not gonna be on a crazy mission.

Cristina: Not a crazy mission.

Jack: Yeah. It's not gonna take you 50 years to get to the river. Yeah, he's gonna get to the river.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, assuming you didn't even find the watermill, at least you're by the river.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now you have moving water. Clean by default.

Cristina: And hopefully fish in there.

Jack: And hopefully fish is the easiest part is the fish, which you can also get, like, a net, a makeshift net at Home Depot.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, you can get that. There's so many random stuff you can get at Home Depot. Home Depot should be something. You should get stuff at a book.

Jack: Bag, pack it with junk food.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That expires in a very long time. Go to Home Depot, and you get some makeshift net equivalent that would let water through, but not fish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you go get medical supplies because you're gonna be wandering into the woods or. Yeah. You're looking for a river.

Cristina: How do you clean the water, though? Okay. Like, if you need to drink water now you have no water. How do you drink water from the river? Like, how do you clean it out?

Jack: River water is clean. It's moving.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Still water is what you don't want to drink.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: Still water has bacteria. River water is filtered by where it's.

Cristina: Moving through, so you can just drink that.

Jack: It's not the cleanest in the universe, but, yeah, you can drink the water.

Cristina: You can make it cleaner, though.

Jack: You could boil it if you wanted to. If you wanted to be safer.

Cristina: Yeah, I would do that.

Jack: Which you could still put in your book bag because it won't take any space. You could put a bunch of candy bars in it and around it, and it won't. It's like. Yeah, pot isn't even there.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: So fill it up with junk food, a pot, a makeshift net, which you could have probably also squeezed into that book bag without taking up too much room.

Cristina: Not a torch.

Jack: Lighter.

Cristina: A lighter. That's probably a lighter.

Jack: And lighter fluid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A magnifying glass so that you don't have to use your lighter when you have the sun to power fire starting.

Cristina: That's your new technology.

Jack: A bunch. Yeah. And a bunch of seeds. So many seeds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You need all the seeds and then.

Cristina: To the wheel technology. Do you think that's gonna be a thing you were talking about? Wheel powered city.

Jack: Not wheel powered city, but using the. The power of the moving a watermill to sort of replicate a gear and then connecting things to that. Yeah, you can make things with that. Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: I wonder, like, what a fan. That's nice. But no, yeah, definitely.

Jack: You can cool your home. You can use the motion of it and connect it to a fan inside that's made entirely of, I guess, wood and crap like that. And you just need the one end of it to be connected enough so that it spins. And if you connect wide end to short end, the fan will spin like crazy, thus keeping you cool in the middle of crazy hot day.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder if that could help you with a hose. If you had to water your plants and you're too lazy and you.

Jack: Yes. But also the point of having the plants planted along the edge of the.

Cristina: Oh, you don't have to water them.

Jack: You don't have to water them because.

Cristina: They'Re always solid, moist.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, that's nice. Yeah. Forgot about that. That's awesome.

Jack: That kind of saves a lot.

Cristina: Yeah. Nice.

Jack: You need things like aloe vera, medical.

Cristina: Yeah. It's probably a lot of poisonous plants around you.

Jack: You got to kill everything that's there by default. And plant berries and cherries, strawberries. You want watermelons, you want avocados. You want just everything. Plant everything. Anything you could get.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Go to the supermarket and buy a bunch of s***.

Cristina: Yes. And eat it. No.

Jack: Well, yeah, actually, all things. All jokes aside, mission should be done by, like three people. Don't go to the woods alone. You and two homies. Because you need to be able to carry the stuff too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the three book bags, one of them contains a bunch of different fruits that have seeds.

Cristina: Mm. From the shopping mark. Whatever.

Jack: Then that same bag could contain all the seeds for other things that you. As many different seeds as you can get at like Home Depot or some s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The net is. Well, to catch fish. Like the food bag for creating new food. Then you have the survival bag, which is what. Where all the fast food, the. All the junk food is the junk food and the pan and just all that kind of stuff.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna have a person who's gonna have a bunch of different tools in there. It's gonna have a lighter, is gonna have a machete. It's gonna have scissors. I guess I could have the net in there. It could have a knife. You could have just tools. Tools. You got to get creative.

Cristina: Just random tools. You'll figure it out.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You'll figure it out through necessity.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then in this exchange, you can. Between the three of you, you can also take shifts when you're living there, just in case something's coming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Somebody's always awake. Three shifts, eight hours each shift.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder, how would you practice hunt? How would you practice hunting in that type of situation?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like when you start wanting more than.

Jack: Just fish, you can start building traps.

Cristina: But for deers, like, bigger meat. Oh.

Jack: That's when you got to learn how to start hunting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which. That's another thing you got to steal. Take some survival books in one of those book bags. Oh, I know how to make basic things like a bow, Even if it'll take a lot of trial and error.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just take it with you and figure it out. Hunting traps and crap like that. Any kind of books like that, you go and you rob Barnes and Nobles.

Cristina: Yes. So one friends doing Barnes and Noble. One is Home Depot. One is the shopping place.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting.

Jack: And then you guys meet up when you take off, and then however long it takes you, you already have enough. And I'm assuming you could take two, three bottles of water and have it slowly in case it takes you several days to get to the water.

Cristina: And you have a gun with three bullets.

Jack: Yes, Stealing guns matters. You got to find a place to get guns. That's a hard one, because you got to get into a police station. You got to do a couple of heists.

Cristina: You have to heist.

Jack: Yeah. You got to get into a police station or kill a cop.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And take his gun?

Cristina: Why can't you just own a gun.

Jack: If you don't already own a gun? I know, but you got to get a gun.

Cristina: You got to get a gun. But I guess the gun isn't for shooting animals, though. The gun is just in case someone does find self defense.

Jack: Yeah, because you can't eat any animal you shoot.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, you can't shoot a deer. I mean, eat a deer after it's been shot.

Jack: Just shoot it in the head, and then you got to chop his head off before the lead gets anywhere else.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That sucks. But yeah, you shouldn't do that anyway, even if it wasn't a problem, because that's more.

Jack: That should be last resort self defense. Yeah. You should make it to the point that eventually could just rest that gun down and use a bow to kill a m*********** if need be.

Cristina: That's gotta be crazy training.

Jack: That's also why machete matters. Like, that's also a close combat weapon.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So you can deal with people that way, too. Yeah. Oh, that sucks. I feel like the gun is easier to do. Deal with someone.

Jack: Yeah. But you're only gonna have so much ammo.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Machete becomes problematic pretty quickly.

Cristina: Yeah. Hope you never get to that point, because that sucks. I don't know.

Jack: But who knows? Yeah. Hopefully no. So you plant a bunch of crap around your windmill, your water mill, and you connect anything that needs to be mechanically powered, and you make a city.

Cristina: No.

Jack: How do you make a city?

Cristina: I don't know. A tent city.

Jack: There's three people.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Just live in the house.

Cristina: There's a house by it.

Jack: There's a water mill. There's probably a house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just a water mill out in the middle of nowhere.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know where watermills are hanging out at farms.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: Maybe that'd be even more interesting. You have more.

Jack: You don't want. You do not want to be on a farm.

Cristina: Aw.

Jack: Because a farm is a place people know about. And it's like anybody who's intelligent enough is probably good enough at farming.

Cristina: Which means there's a water mill in the middle of nowhere. But buy a house in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Yeah. Because usually there's, like, a purpose being served by that. Maybe the water mill is powering that house. That's a private property.

Cristina: Okay. I guess that's better than the farm. Lame.

Jack: Yeah. Like more people gonna know about a farm. Because a farm probably produces for many.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Than a watermelon. That's probably somebody just kind of secluding themselves to not be known.

Cristina: Mmm. Yes.

Jack: But we're assuming you don't even find a watermill. Right. So you don't even find a watermelon. You get to the river.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can start building there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Axes and machetes.

Cristina: But you don't need a water mill to survive. Yeah. You don't need a watermill.

Jack: No. Because the river will feed the water to the plants. The sunlight will feed the light to the plants. The plants will grow over time. You already have a bunch of junk food that will hold you over for a while. You've made it to the clean water that you can drink. And if you're paranoid about it, you can boil it and drink that. You're good to live now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you'll have fish for more food now that you've made it to the river.

Cristina: But you're probably living in tents, though.

Jack: Yes. For the meantime.

Cristina: For the meantime. You think they'll eventually be able to make houses or like a makeshift house.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know how complicated of a house.

Cristina: Like a box.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Some basic s***.

Cristina: Yeah. To protect from rain, I guess. I mean the tent should be good, but I don't know if you want more space than that.

Jack: The best plan would be right to try to find a fully mechanical car or something steam powered or something coal powered or heat powered or something like that. That a car that could function without electricity, which was gonna be a hunt. That's a mission and a half. But if you could find something powerful enough to then use it to get a Humvee.

Cristina: A what?

Jack: Like a Winnebago. A mobile home.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A trailer of some sort.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you could then drag to where your water is there and then you live in there. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, that's way better. More roomy.

Jack: But now you got another heist after you've established yourself, which is find the vehicle, find the trailer. And the vehicle needs to be powerful enough to move the trailer. We're talking steam isn't going to cut it.

Cristina: So then what can I cut it?

Jack: I don't know. Coal can power an entire train and a ship.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So coal is a great. Like that's a lot of heat and that heat.

Cristina: And there's coal powered cars like that Sounds like an impossible mission to.

Jack: I have no clue. That's a really good question. Let's check it out. Okay. So no coal power. No steam powered cars. Steam would be inefficient and we can't find coal powered cars. But that being said, diesel mechanical vehicles would be more efficient and powerful than electric vehicles anyways. So if you can find a fully mechanical diesel vehicle and then use that to pull. Which I guess it would have to be able to pull the trailer. You can get your trailer to your river and have a already built home.

Cristina: Finding a car, I don't know, it feels like a tricky. This is a very tricky.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Mission.

Jack: The trailer is the easy part.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're probably gonna have to like get the trailer off of somebody because there's probably gonna be people living in a trailer park.

Cristina: No. It's not easy.

Jack: But it's easy finding it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Finding the car is where the problem is.

Cristina: Yes. Finding the car will be the biggest problem.

Jack: Yes. But if you can find a fully mechanical diesel powered car, then you could just steal a trailer home with the car though.

Cristina: I feel like you'd still have to probably steal that from someone. Well. Because someone's gonna be driving that car.

Jack: Yeah. But it's like one person. The problem is finding the car.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the hard part. Killing a person with the gun you already have is not the hard part. It's the finding a fully mechanical, diesel powered vehicle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not easy. It's easier to just shoot somebody and take it. The other thing would be the trailer. The trailer is easy to locate, and in the middle of the night, you can just take.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. In the middle night. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Pretty simple, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: Scope it out and watch until there's nobody there. Just take it.

Cristina: Oh, wait, no. Yeah, you just connect it. Yeah. I'm thinking you have to drive that away too. But no, you're not driving it away. You're just connecting it to your car.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's. That's the plan, I guess.

Jack: Pretty simple.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you could get that to.

Cristina: Your river and live in that.

Jack: And live in that. Now you have a roof that'll protect you from the rain.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A river that'll give you water and fish.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You'll also have plants planted in the area which will grow your food over time.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty perfect. I don't know what else you're missing.

Jack: That's kind of all the needs you have.

Cristina: Yeah. You got people. So you're not dying of Bordeaux.

Jack: Yep. There's three of you.

Cristina: But you can't use the car after you have it there, even if it has gas. That's probably risky.

Jack: You need that for total emergencies anyways. You don't want to burn through that fuel.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The best option would be if you're desperately hungry. Not hungry, but like, you want something special. Flip side, driving to bookstores. But then again, you could go to bookstores. Walking.

Cristina: Yeah. That's less suspicious. Like, you don't have to worry about people popping out of nowhere trying to take it. Trying to take. Exactly.

Jack: And it makes less noise so you don't attract anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Take a bicycle.

Cristina: Take a bike.

Jack: That's another thing you got to do. You got to make sure to steal bikes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mountain bikes. So that you can drive them through your woods easily.

Cristina: I guess the car could have the bike. Says it could be the storage for the bikes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: For the rain and stuff like. That's. That's a good idea.

Jack: Yeah. You could definitely build sort of thing. And actually that's probably how you're gonna get to the river in the first place. You probably began with bikes because that's easy to get.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. So easy.

Jack: Three mountain bikes, three book bags. That means you don't have to waste your energy walking anywhere, and you get there sooner.

Cristina: Mm. But how do you all separate and then meet up at the same place? Or you got there first, then separated to get the things and then came back because you already knew how to get there.

Jack: Yeah. You already know where you're headed. There's a meeting plan, then you take off from there.

Cristina: Yeah, that's a great plan. Yes.

Jack: Survival, man.

Cristina: Except for the murder.

Jack: S*** happens. It's the apocalypse.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: Not gonna f****** do anything.

Cristina: It's just a tough, tough thing to do.

Jack: Take a life.

Cristina: Yeah. It's harder than if it was just zombie life.

Jack: You got to kill people still when it's zombies.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Probably more so because there's a threat other than just people. So people are gonna be way more hostile.

Cristina: Yes. That still makes it easier, though, to kill those people than the people in this apocalypse. That may not always be hostile, but you're like, oh, I need a thing.

Jack: No, you're not gonna kill them if they're not hostile. You're not just gonna off somebody.

Cristina: Okay. So.

Jack: But in the scenario of getting the car, you're like, well, it's gonna be hard. Well, that means you're putting up a fight.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: You're not. Just like, I'm gonna pop your. If you just get out and walk away, I'm gonna leave with your car.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I'm just gonna, like, off you for zero reason. I was assuming there was a problem.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Just, like, get out. Bah. Too bad for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, no, that's not how it works.

Cristina: Just in case. No, you're in a car.

Jack: What are you gonna do? I'll run you.

Cristina: No, I guess not. What if he has a second car?

Jack: Then you really got to kill him because he has all the things you need.

Cristina: Oh, you don't need two cars, but.

Jack: You can't have two cars.

Cristina: That's true. You could have two cars.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty good. Because that means you can steal a second trailer from the same place and have even more room.

Cristina: Yes. You need a lot of. We don't. Do you need that much room or.

Jack: Just go to random car parks? Just go to random car parks. Hit one each time. Not car park. Trailer parks.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: One from here. Take it. I hit a different one. So they don't expect you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Slowly. You just keep taking a couple of trailers. 4, 5, 6. And you could turn them into different things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When is your kitchen? One is your living room, and they.

Cristina: All might have supplies in them. That's great.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: As long as no one's staying in them. They could be abandoned ones out there and you could just take those easily.

Jack: And you can also have a d***. Instead of generator creates electricity. So it wouldn't work. Because I'd be like, you have a gas powered generator, but no electricity works. So no you magical. But you can have a food storage trailer where you. Anytime you make a run for food that isn't what you're growing and fishing and hunting, you could bring it there. Bags of chips from looted stores and junk food of all kinds.

Cristina: And just beans. Because it's always beans. Why is it always.

Jack: Because it's in cans. It's takes a long time to expire, I guess. You can have anything in cans that lasts a long time. Get a f*** ton of cans.

Cristina: It's always. That's such a lame meal to just be eating beans. I don't know.

Jack: Because you can have dried beans for a long time. Might as well steal a bunch of those. But you could do that. Like a bunch of dried food that doesn't go bad. And then you can like cook it.

Cristina: If crackers don't go bad, get some crackers. Crackers do go bad. For bread and beans.

Jack: Bread will not. The bread ceases to exist.

Cristina: Yeah. They get old real quick.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Man. Why doesn't crackers last?

Jack: Because crackers are bread. Crackers are bread.

Cristina: I know, but can of bean is so boring.

Jack: But it's food you're not. Who cares about why are you worried about boring or not? It's the apocalypse.

Cristina: Once you have everything, you can get bored.

Jack: Well, it's not just beans. At that point. You just fished.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you can throw a fish with beans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Rice also lasts an unfathomably long amount of time. You can have fish, rice and beans. Really leaning on those beans hard. You don't have to.

Cristina: Yeah. How are you gonna get the rice? Isn't rice usually in big.

Jack: You could get small ones. And you have a f****** car.

Cristina: You don't want to use the car too much.

Jack: You also have a bike.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. The bike.

Jack: And you could hang things. If you could find a three wheel bike. You're set.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it won't tip. You could put bags and crap on it.

Cristina: Oh, okay then. Yes. We need some rice.

Jack: Powerful runs.

Cristina: We have some rice and beans with fish on the side.

Jack: Yeah, you can have.

Cristina: That's life.

Jack: Yeah. You can have that as well as pasta. Pasta lasts a really long time.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That feels like it'll be hard to cook though. With fire. Is It. I don't know.

Jack: That's the way to cook it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You boil water, which you're by a river, so you have infinite amounts of that.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then you boil the water. When the water is boiling, you pour it on the pasta and let the pasta get soft.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You hunt the animal so you have the meat. Two things you could get to make your life better after you're nice and stable is get a pasta maker.

Cristina: Pasta maker?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Machine that makes pasta. You just turn the thing and mix pasta. So you can have.

Cristina: But that's not from electricity.

Jack: Well, you can have. No, assuming that you. You can manually turn the thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So you can have a pasta maker and the other thing would be. Crap. Was I thinking a pasta maker And a meat grinder.

Cristina: Meat grinder.

Jack: You get a deer, you throw the deer in there, it grinds the meat for you. Now you can make meatballs, you can make burgers.

Cristina: You can do that with any of the meat. That's awesome.

Jack: Spice up your meat life.

Cristina: Have some rabbit burgers or fish burgers.

Jack: Rat burgers.

Cristina: Rap. Oh, you said rat.

Jack: Yeah, but they're in nature. What do you mean ill?

Cristina: Because you're eating all this other stuff. Why would you go to the rats? That's like desperate.

Jack: You want different kinds of meats. Why is it desperate?

Cristina: Because you have fish, rabbits and deer.

Jack: You're just thinking from a citizen point of view.

Cristina: What? What do you mean?

Jack: You're thinking from a privileged position. There's nothing wrong with a rat that eats nothing but healthy.

Cristina: But if you're eating all that other meat, why would you need rat meat?

Jack: Why would you need any meat?

Cristina: Because you need meat.

Jack: Then why would rat meat be not acceptable? What's unacceptable about rat meat?

Cristina: I don't know. It's a rat. Yeah, you're thinking from a citizen's point of view.

Jack: It's a position of privilege. I don't wanna.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Can you use the rabbit is a f****** rat.

Cristina: It's big, though. I don't know.

Jack: You could find rats bigger than rabbits.

Cristina: Oh, can you really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Are you sure it's fine to eat?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What about raccoons?

Jack: You're cooking it. You're not biting into its raw.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But raccoons. Pretty big.

Jack: Yeah. You can raccoon. You could pretty much eat anything you're going to clean.

Cristina: I guess. I guess it's better than eating people. I guess so.

Jack: Yeah. Which you could still also do.

Cristina: But yes. That's super duper desperate. That's not the first thing you're gonna go on your menu of foods that you have.

Jack: No.

Cristina: You're gonna choose a rat over the person, I would hope.

Jack: Who cares if the person is dead and it's because you killed them? You're not gonna let them go to waste either.

Cristina: No, I can't. No. I feel like you might have abandoned them before you even thought of, hey, I could have taken them to eat.

Jack: Oh yeah. If somebody's around you and you kill them though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somebody's at camp and you killed them so that they don't go tell people about your camp. Now you just have meat.

Cristina: Yes. In that case, I guess you eat them.

Jack: Yeah. Normality is out the window.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I know why you're thinking from living in society point of view.

Cristina: Yeah. But it will feel a bit normal. It feels like you're camping.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I don't know. And then you eat a human and then it doesn't feel like you're camping anymore.

Jack: Well, it feels like you're out there surviving. It doesn't feel necessarily normal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you sold a couple of trailers. You got your plants growing, you got some fish, you got water.

Cristina: You have so much. You don't need people.

Jack: It's pretty badass.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you can make regular trips to get board games and card games and books. Entertainment is so important. You can get things to stay in shape. Steel workout things, dumbbells and crap like that. Jump rop open. Just things to stay fit. That also very distracting how you can steal things to.

Cristina: I mean you have trips to stores, right? Yeah.

Jack: You just make trips to stores on your three wheel bike thing.

Cristina: Like say you let one person out and the other two have to stay in camp. Or one person stays in camp while the other two leave. Like there has to be some type of rule. Someone needs to protect the camp while other people.

Jack: I think one person leaving doesn't probably only have one bike with three wheels or two. I guess two people and how do.

Cristina: They wait before one of them go goes check to see if there's something wrong or.

Jack: No, I think, I think two people go. I think two people go. One drives a three wheel bike, the other one drives a normal bike. Then they make runs and they can watch out for each other while so.

Cristina: They'Re at least around each other in the same area and they're looking for things.

Jack: And if something split up, that's how people die.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You'd have one person like watching the bike outside.

Cristina: Yeah. So if something goes wrong that they could both escape. At the same time.

Jack: And so you get books you want to read and board games. Like Barnes and Nobles is a place to hit repeatedly. You want to steal as much s*** from Barnes and Nobles as possible. MAD Books, notebooks, board games, card games, toys.

Cristina: I don't know why, but there's a bunch of toys.

Jack: I mean, I guess if you're a person who plays a toys, but you can take a bunch of that s***. Sudoku books and puzzle books and just all this kind of s***. You can fill a book bag up with so many different kinds of books.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Put them on your bike.

Cristina: Mmm. Yes. And if anything goes wrong, though. Huh? That's why you have that gun.

Jack: I guess that's why you have the gun.

Cristina: Wonder who's more in danger. It has to be the two guys over. The one that's hanging out at the place that they're staying.

Jack: Yeah, that guy's probably fine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If they haven't found you yet. To the point that now you're just gonna worrying about entertainment. Nobody's probably finding you.

Cristina: Yeah. But you still have to be careful. So I think they'll take turns. Right. Of who stays in the camp and who goes out. So you can stay running around and I mean, you'll have workout stuff too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But you'll have to.

Jack: And maybe over time, you could bring other people.

Cristina: Find survivalists who aren't dangerous.

Jack: Yeah. People who seem like they're cool. And you bring them over. When you find somebody alone and you can confirm they're alone and not bait, that's.

Cristina: That's a worry.

Jack: Then you bring them back and you're like, you can come live with us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, we're consistently making runs. We're doing whatever. We're doing whatever. And you can come live with us.

Cristina: That sounds so tough. Yeah.

Jack: It's hard to trust people. Mm.

Cristina: Yes. Because even if they're alone, they find out where you're at, they just disappear. Who knows how many people are gonna come back.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's a little troubling.

Jack: That's a problem.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You could have a dummy second location. Bring them there, Bring them there, see what happens.

Cristina: Yes. Just have them living there. I mean, you gotta have to pretend to be living there too, though.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You could have one person staying there.

Cristina: Yeah, that's a good idea. Yeah. Every time they pass you, they get to live in the town. I guess whatever you're playing, you're living.

Jack: Additionally, you can make the. If you continue to steal trailers over time, those could be the walls. Your village place.

Cristina: Yeah. Your Village.

Jack: You just put them back to back to back. Create a barrier.

Cristina: Yes. That is an awesome idea. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Flip side. What if you can somehow get trailer trucks? They don't have wheels on the. If you need trailer trucks. And the ability to remove the trailer and put it onto the ground because nobody, nothing can go under it. It's just a giant box, Steel box.

Cristina: How are you getting it?

Jack: I don't know. I'm saying if you had a way to do that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That would be the goal. Like, you could definitely build walls that are too high to climb and literally to the bottom. Because you could go under a Winnebago and come out the other side.

Cristina: But it's hard to imagine someone how. Like how that would work out. How it would work out of getting those trailer.

Jack: Yeah. In the middle of nowhere. I don't know how you'd remove them from the back of a truck so that it would be flat.

Cristina: Yeah. Like even if you found them, how. What's the next step?

Jack: I guess tip it off the truck. But how? What can you possibly find that could push it off?

Cristina: If it did, could you even pull it back?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like to your location?

Jack: No, you'd bring the truck there. Oh, I see the problem. Yeah. There's no electricity. We can't.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: No, nevermind. There's no way.

Cristina: That's way too heavy.

Jack: The good thing about a trailer, a mobile, like a trailer home, is that it doesn't need electricity. You just connect it. The wheels are gonna move. Yeah, yeah, fair enough, Fair enough.

Cristina: But you should put something under it that's interesting. What if something sneaks under, like snakes? You don't want to worry about snakes. I guess so you should put something under it, I think.

Jack: Under what?

Cristina: The trailer trucks.

Jack: What do you mean worry about snakes?

Cristina: They could go under the trailer trucks and then attack you. I don't know.

Jack: How are they under the trailer truck? How are they gonna attack you?

Cristina: They're gonna sneak past your, I guess, your top, your trucks and attack you.

Jack: Why wouldn't they be able to do that anyways?

Cristina: Why wouldn't they? If you had something covering those spots where they could hide in. Because they're not in your home, whatever your area, the area you live in. I don't know why snakes are there. Snakes are there though.

Jack: There's probably. Snakes could probably just come out of the water. I don't understand what the problem is.

Cristina: To come out of the water. I don't know. It's just horrifying. If a snake Attacks you, I guess.

Jack: Like, I don't see.

Cristina: It's apocalypse work. Snakes are attacking.

Jack: Yeah. It's weird anyways, I guess. Yeah, that's what's gonna be happening there. People gonna. The woods or survival. I don't know how we got here. What led us to this?

Cristina: The electricity magically stopped working. Yes, all of it.

Jack: Because we don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: But what led us to the electricity dying? Why was that important?

Cristina: It just was because. I don't know, the snakes were.

Jack: Oh, because we were talking about humanity being whack and reliant on all their technology.

Cristina: I totally forgot that. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're all f******. Yeah. We would immediately devolve.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Well, we got really far into how hardcore we would need to survive if electricity died. People go crazy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: D***.

Cristina: They would.

Jack: They would. That's mad real. That wasn't even, like, kidding. That's exactly what we would need to do if electricity died out.

Cristina: That's our plan and we're sharing it with everyone.

Jack: Yeah, it. Now everybody's gonna be at Rivers Party.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: So anyways, if you guys want to join our river party, make sure to do that. Sign up on some place where there'll be things to sign up on, I guess, and you can find other conversations about, I guess, apocalypses. There's a couple of episodes based on the different scenarios. I think there's one about the more probable apocalypses. There's another one about also building a civilization entirely based off of a potato.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, yeah, there's a. There's a lot that could be done finding episodes related to this. So you go ahead and look for that and you can find all that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok @justcombopod.

Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe, rate, and if you feel so inclined to review the show, that is always, always appreciated.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the face of earth. So if you know somebody who would like to listen to this show and needs good survival advice for when the good government disconnects electricity, assuming we're all going to go chaotic and murder one another and they want to go and join our river party, they need to hear this episode.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. If you do lose it. Then again, those awards are paid off anyways.

Cristina: They're paid off? Yeah.

Jack: Like the people who made the films put their films in the thing and then they bribe the guy and whoever got the best bribe is the one who gets the trophy. Or would have.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like you just pay a bunch of people off and then they say your movie was the greatest. And then people think your movies the greatest. Cuz they said the movie.

Cristina: And then more people want to work with you.

Jack: And people. Yeah, more people want to work with you. More people want to watch your movies. Yeah, because you paid somebody to say they're the greatest.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then somebody. You paid to give somebody an award for being the best actor in your movie. All of that. You paid for it. It doesn't necessarily need to be true.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But yeah, it's great. Sweet, fantastic. That's how it works. And then people didn't want Netflix to be part of that. I remember that argument.

Cristina: Because they're haters.

Jack: No, because Netflix doesn't pay anybody to do anything. It just submitted its thing.

Cristina: Cuz they're. Yeah, they're. They're the indie of movies.

Jack: Yeah. And they're s******* on all the other people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And winning. Winning. They're winning hard. Other places have to go put their movies on Netflix now. That's how bad it's getting. Do you want to make a movie and you didn't put it on Netflix? Good luck getting it seen.

Cristina: Does that mean there's not gonna be any awards? Because the whole deal was like, they can't come, they can't join because they don't put their stuff in movie theaters. But right now, what's being in movie theaters? So what's gonna be winning? Anything.

Jack: Netflix wins anyways.

Cristina: Yeah, it has to be. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 138: The Lore of JCP

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What happen to the original hosts of the JCP? Why have there been so many clones? What is the one arm eye patch wearing clone doing right now? How many cockroach children does Jack have? And if Cristy’s backyard portal safe for tourism? The duo unpack the lore of The Just Conversation Podcast!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Giving Listeners Cancer
  • Subhumans
  • Reptilians
  • Magic Cat People
  • Universe 2 Mars
  • Cockroach War
  • Quantum Computer
  • Time Machine
  • Portal
  • Clones
  • Ghosts
  • Zombie Island
  • Ish Hacking
  • Werewolves
  • Adrenochrome
  • Clinton Road
  • Creepy Pasta

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified when second episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to go find somebody, and as usual, thanks for listening. No, that's Michael. Michael. What is his f****** last name? It's my. I don't even know. It's Michael from Vsauce. And as always, thanks for listening. As always, for somebody to listen by endangering them.

Cristina: Yes, that's.

Jack: That's the moral of this show. I'll never tell you anything but endanger somebody and force them to listen to it.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: Because life.

Cristina: Why? What do you get out of it?

Jack: Listeners.

Cristina: Listeners. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. We definitely have something to gain.

Cristina: But they die immediately. No, they don't.

Jack: No, they don't.

Cristina: Cancer.

Jack: They die slowly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They live long enough to tell other.

Cristina: People they can still continue listening to the show.

Jack: Yes. Until they do die a sure. Short, short, short death. Not. I guess, not a short death. A really long death, but a short life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Is this good? I don't know. It is.

Jack: It's not affecting us.

Cristina: Yeah, well, our listeners could have a very long life and we'd have.

Jack: Why is that our problem, whether they live long or not?

Cristina: It's not. It's just like we're losing listeners eventually when they. When they die. We would have.

Jack: They. It's a trade off. They. The one.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Let's say they tell five people, then we lose one. We made four listeners in the exchange. It's ever growing, so we have to.

Cristina: But why do we have to give them cancer, though?

Jack: Like, we're not giving them cancer. They're getting cancer. There's a difference. I'm not. Like, I'm gonna give you cancer. Like, it's just an unfortunate side effect of listening to the show.

Cristina: Okay, so it doesn't. It's not our fault.

Jack: It's not our fault whatsoever. Yes, it's our fault, but not our intention.

Cristina: But we need them to listen.

Jack: Yeah, we need them to listen because then they can get us more listeners. And as such goes the domino effect.

Cristina: But why do we have to force them to get more listeners?

Jack: We're not Forcing them to get more listeners. We're making them force other people to get more listeners. They have an option to let their children be in danger. I'm not like forcing them to do anything.

Cristina: I guess it's. It's so wrong.

Jack: What, that I'm threatening their families? Yeah, it's totally fine, man.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: How many of them have not listened? And how many children have I harmed? None. They always listen.

Cristina: They always.

Jack: They always listen.

Cristina: This plan always works.

Jack: Always works. 100%, 100% of the time. It's a flawless plan. It's never once planned.

Cristina: But now that you share that news, someone's going to be like, maybe he doesn't kill these people's children. So I'm just gonna.

Jack: Well, no one. That's not. Because everybody's done it. There's no reason for me to kill anybody's child.

Cristina: Yeah, but the person listening doesn't understand that they.

Jack: Why don't they understand? You're assuming our listeners are stupid now.

Cristina: No, just this one listener who's like, I'm just gonna see.

Jack: So they're gonna put their child in danger just to test the waters?

Cristina: Yes. They're the gambling type of person. They're addicted to gambling.

Jack: And they're like, this is the ultimate gamble. I gotta see if I' ma win this one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I bet there's people who gamble like that.

Cristina: Whoa. That's pretty risky. But I guess. Well then we'll find out if you mean it or not.

Jack: I do. I do mean it. I will do whatever to get listeners.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I will go the extra mile.

Cristina: Would you cure the cancer that they're getting?

Jack: I'll do almost anything for listeners.

Cristina: Cuz that's something we could work on, I guess.

Jack: I mean, we have the resources. We have nothing but subhuman power and scientists. We got the freemasons lab.

Cristina: So we got.

Jack: We. We literally have hyper technologically advanced reptilians in imprisoned. And we have cats with magic powers.

Cristina: Magic to cure the cancer.

Jack: We could literally cure the cancer with magic.

Cristina: Why don't we?

Jack: Because then they'd be less committed with the cancer they're all in. They're already. They've already got the cancer. They might as well continue listening. Continue listening and getting other people to listen, lest it be in vain.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: So like in theory we could just like hey, cat people, tell us how to cure cancer and then we would. But like, it's not helping us to cure cancer. I'd be going particularly out of my way to a different planet.

Cristina: We have Them on a different planet. Mars. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: On Mars from Universe 2.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We haven't gone back there. I have no idea if that worked out, you know, over there. Yeah, that's done. Planet X destroyed that, right?

Cristina: Yeah, d***. Pretty sure. No, wait, no, we destroyed that.

Jack: We took their Mars.

Cristina: Yeah. We didn't destroy by taking, by stopping planet. I mean the planet X thing that was over here now over there.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we solved ours by taking theirs because we blew up our own Mars to stop the cockroach people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So kind of problematic over there. We're fine using our nifty technology to save our. We saved our solar system by destroying a different one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And for sure we might have been the cause of what was gonna destroy our system in the first place, but we, we saved it and that's the important part.

Cristina: Did we have anything to do with that?

Jack: We destroyed. Well, I destroyed original Mars because. Ah, cockroaches.

Cristina: Yes, that happened.

Jack: Which is ironic because I ended up marrying one anyways.

Cristina: Yes, well, you're married now.

Jack: Okay, I've been married. You had that same reaction before.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes, exactly the same way.

Cristina: I thought you were just dating. I don't know.

Jack: Was I just dating? No, I think I'm married to. I think I've been married for a while.

Cristina: Okay, then. How many children do you have? Aren't like roaches? Don't they have many children?

Jack: And she's like a good 12ft tall, so it's like weird.

Cristina: So how many children are there? Does she have no children? It doesn't. That part doesn't work.

Jack: No kids? We. It's impossible for us to breed together.

Cristina: Okay, but if she was a breeding cockroach, how many children would she have?

Jack: I don't know. Many.

Cristina: Many, many, many. It is like that. Like with real roaches or is that not right? Is it just bunnies?

Jack: That I have no idea. Maybe.

Cristina: I feel like it's a bunch.

Jack: Like roaches just have a f*** ton. Yeah, I feel like that's wrong.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: I think so. I think so. Because think about it, when you see a roach, there aren't like a f*** ton of roaches around there. Usually that only happens when there's something particularly disgusting going on that they start kind of collecting in an area. But when you see one roach, you kind of just see one roach. There isn't like a lot of roaches which goes like. If you see spider, you'll usually see multiple spiders in the same area. There's a spider over here, there's another web over there. There's a spider over there. But like a roach. You'll see one roach in a roam. A whole house and then. Okay, it's gone.

Jack: That's interesting. Right?

Cristina: I don't know. I think it's still.

Jack: They have a bunch and they just like, hide. Like there's one scout.

Cristina: There's this one scout. Yeah. Once you kill him, they know. They know.

Jack: And send the other one out. Yeah, you can go now. You've been promoted because he has died.

Cristina: Yeah. Like in a year from now, you'll be there.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. And there's a bunch of cockroach people still out there. We destroyed your planet, but they were already exploring space.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: So there's a bunch of roaches out there. Probably.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Don't get in trouble.

Jack: I mean, they're good. They don't know what happened. They're just. I mean, when they get back home, they're just gonna see us having imprisoned.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Be like these guys. This ain't even ours.

Cristina: Maybe they'll be scared of us, though. Like they won't start a war with.

Jack: Us because they're like, these people destroy all our people and imprison all these other creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cuz we got. Do we got stuff up there.

Cristina: We got werewolves, we got sea monsters.

Jack: We got sea monsters. We got f******. We got so much s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we got resources for days. On top of the fact that we have somewhere down here on Earth, our quantum computer that can do anything and simulate anything. We have a time machine that can take us not just forward, but back. And in your backyard, there is still a portal that we have completely ignored because we have no idea what to do with that.

Cristina: No. We could send some of these roaches in there or something.

Jack: We need to capture some of these roaches. And I'm not sending my wife in there.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Best bet. Send the reptilian in there. We have all of them enslaved.

Cristina: I feel like the right thing to do is to send a clone. No, not a clone.

Jack: A subhuman.

Cristina: A subhuman.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. So the right thing, Keep the Reptilians. We don't know what they might be useful for.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the Chinese pump out sub humans like there's no tomorrow. So we could just send one of them through.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Fair enough. I like that plan. And they'll do it without a fight. The reptilian might be like, no, I don't want to. And then it'll be all sad and annoying.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the subhuman Will be like, yeah, yeah, this is my job. It's my job. They wouldn't even talk. They'll just nod and walk straight through, just mad, obedient.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And then what happens?

Jack: Well, we know nothing happens because Ish jumped straight through and didn't die.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure he died. Are you sure?

Jack: Yeah, he just jumped straight through. You think he died?

Cristina: I don't remember. I feel like there was, like, so many different versions of him jumping in.

Jack: And dying because he also. Yeah, no, there was already. No, it's livable. At least there was already a version over there he tried to kill. It was a mess.

Cristina: There was a version of. But that was before. Was that before or after? Okay.

Jack: I don't know. I know Ish. Some version of Ish lived through the portal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's a fact. We didn't get to explore too long because he was too impulsive. Jumped in and came back and was like, ha. But, like, we know a subhuman won't die just by going through.

Cristina: Yes, okay.

Jack: They might die going farther, but that's a risk I'm willing to take.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they can come back with information if they don't die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they do die, we'll send two just in case. Between two of them, they can handle whatever killed them.

Cristina: Really? But we wouldn't know. Unless. You think we could just videotape the other side or something?

Jack: Yes, that'd be great.

Cristina: That would be. And then. And then I don't know what we do.

Jack: I don't know. Because we can't move it. It's not like a physical thing we could just grab and walk with. It's just there. Touching it is the other side.

Cristina: That is pretty dangerous.

Jack: It's just floating in your backyard.

Cristina: What do we do with it then? Man, it feels like we should do something with it, though. It's pretty epic.

Jack: I know. We. Okay, we could, in theory, knock down your house.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Build an entire thing around the portal and charge people to go in.

Cristina: We could do that. That sounds very like our zombie island thing.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That was successful.

Jack: Holy s***. I forgot we had zombie island, which was really successful, but nobody left that island after they got there.

Cristina: Yes. And then we turned it into a toilet paper castle thing.

Jack: Yeah. Where the zombies were kind of protecting us from the virus.

Cristina: Yeah. You forgot about that.

Jack: I forgot about that. We own so many things. The lore of this podcast has gotten.

Cristina: So out of hand because we stole the island from. I think we stole it from you. Or from Dana White. I can't remember.

Jack: Oh, my God. Is this Fight Island?

Cristina: Yeah, I think it was Fight Island.

Jack: I think we stole it. I think we just like built our s*** on his island and then the zombies kind of offed everything that was left. I don't remember how this played out, but yeah, we got Zombie island. I'm pretty sure it was Fight Island.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But then we made a toilet paper castle in the survive. Because the toilet paper, you know, it defends against the. The virus.

Cristina: Yeah, I feel that's right. Yeah.

Jack: This is basically recap episode. Trying to piece together the narrative of our show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because we've done a couple of things, in fact, using the time machine. I remember I went forward in time and saw a version of me that was doing things terrible.

Cristina: Did you?

Jack: Yeah. Like sending people into the future in a touristy kind of way? Yes, the same, I guess the same way that I would be doing with the portal in the first place.

Cristina: Yeah. You think you were making money off of it? No. You were trying to stop the end of the world.

Jack: The cat people who were taking over. That's how we started chasing them to find them in the great Void.

Cristina: Yes. We only found them because there was a version of you who knew about them and was trying to change how much people. I don't know. What was his goal.

Jack: Also, we solved a problem. And I didn't think about this. We can jump anywhere in space now because we know how the pyramids work.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And the cat people in Lake Loch Ness that were being protected by Nessie told us that their people are in the great Void.

Cristina: Oh, yes, we know. We don't know what's in there. But I guess now we know. Now we know we can't actually go in there.

Jack: Except we can, because we can use the pyramids to teleport us straight to the crate void in one clean shot. Just be there one second later. And we know they know the coordinates.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. So then that has to be another adventure.

Jack: I guess we can actually go kill the cat gods.

Cristina: Why? Why?

Jack: Or capture them, interrogate them for God like things. I don't know. Point is, we can go solve our cat problem.

Cristina: I don't even know if we have a cat problem. I don't know how you're.

Jack: Originally. Originally something resulted in cat people taking over the world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And what I did was continuously send humans to different points in time from the future of after humanity started declining to counteract the growth of cat people.

Cristina: Yes. With humans. To have sex with humans. Yes.

Jack: Multiply and then overthrow the cat people before they became too strong. Okay, so I stopped the future from being about cat people. I did that. That was me.

Cristina: A version of you.

Jack: A version of me who's dead now or hiding.

Cristina: Hiding.

Jack: I think that one's hiding.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Also, there were a lot of clones. I'm not even the original person hosting this show. No, neither are you.

Cristina: No, but I think there's way more versions of you out there than there are of me.

Jack: I think they're about the same.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, I think they're about the same. I just think the one that was gonna be killed of me ran away. Fair enough. There's one more. There's two of me. There's one of you. Yeah, because one version of me also came back. That same one that is hiding came back to kill Jemaine.

Cristina: Yeah. No, I don't think that was the same you. That's a different you.

Jack: That was a different me.

Cristina: There's three of me that slow you that thought the clone of a clone. Clone of a clone tried to kill.

Jack: You, but couldn't tell the difference between me and Jemaine, who clearly look very different.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that clone was a one armed. What was the story with that?

Cristina: He's got one arm robot.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. And we saw him on a billboard.

Jack: We f****** saw this guy in the real world. That's crazy. That's crazy. We just saw him outside.

Cristina: Yep. So he's doing something. He's got a modeling career? I guess so.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy. Yo, man, man, the retarded clone f***** that up.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because wasn't he supposed to kill that guy who was trying to kill who turned. That's the reason that Jermaine was a ghost in the first place.

Cristina: Because he was trying to kill you?

Jack: No, Jermaine was a ghost the whole time. And he was killed by the guy with one arm and one eye, which my clone was supposed to kill but couldn't tell the difference between me and the guy with one arm and one eye, Right?

Cristina: No, the clone is the guy with one arm and one eye.

Jack: Holy crap. What happened to him?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Did we not get to the bottom? We never got to the bottom of what happened to my clone.

Cristina: How? Jermaine remembers the killer that killed him. Yeah, the guy had one arm and.

Jack: One eye, which was just my clone.

Cristina: Your clone? Yes. Who thought he was killing you, but he killed Jermaine.

Jack: And then Jermaine became a ghost?

Cristina: Yes. How he happened. How this happened to him, I don't know, maybe it was part of the copy copy process. Messed him up like such a s*****.

Jack: Copy that he had one arm less and one eyeless. And so he got a robot arm. He got a robot arm. I don't understand. I don't understand what happened. But he ended up modeling, which helped out, which is typical. Models are stupid, on average.

Cristina: Oh, and he's probably not trying to kill you anymore. He probably thinks he did the right thing.

Jack: He's too dumb to realize he did something wrong, but. So there are three clones. There's that r***** out there, and there's the one who's hiding, who was supposed to be dead, who was running this before me but didn't get killed, who I believe Jermaine was supposed to kill.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Something like that. He was original living. Jermaine was here to kill somebody.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't remember that. Okay.

Jack: There's some. Something's happening there. I don't remember that too clearly.

Cristina: Mm. He might have been.

Jack: We simulated a lot of things using the quantum computer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Trying to simulate consciousness, trying to tell if consciousness affects movement or not. Just running real pressing issue experiments. It's really interesting. I think that's the only thing we've used without just total recklessness.

Cristina: No, and. Wait, the whole two people. We had two people to see the whole test with the. With the ship, with Baan people. That was in the quantum computer.

Jack: I have no idea what you're talking about. There was lack of description and all of that.

Cristina: The thing about the ship where if you remove all the parts. Is it the same ship?

Jack: Oh, the ship of Theseus.

Cristina: Yes, but we did it with people. Was that.

Jack: Did we do that with people?

Cristina: We did it with two people. It was the same person, but twice, I think.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it wasn't the same person twice. It was. That was just a thought experiment without a computer. It was saying, like, if you think the person is still alive, but you don't know they died, to you, that person is living.

Jack: So it goes to show that your thought of something is more effective than the truth of something.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in the case of the ship, whichever ship you feel is the one you experience it with, which would be the one that's the new one, because to you it was consistent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's real ship. Because that's what you're projecting all your while to the person who shows up late. They see all the panels on the new ship, which is the old ship's parts.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they're like, that's a ship. I went on. And you're both technically right.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But we did run consciousness. We did have the. We did have two people, but it was in the ship of Theseus thing. It was testing to see whether consciousness would affect a person at all. By putting consciousness in one person and not in the other and then overlapping them. Phase.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that they move and behave in exactly the same way.

Cristina: What was that in the machine that.

Jack: Was running the machine? Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. That's what I remember. All right.

Jack: Yeah. And then if they ever break symmetry, then the one with consciousness is the one who did it because they were affected by something. Their consciousness affected the body.

Cristina: Yeah. That's a great test.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. If we could run that in real life, that'd be phenomenal. But we can't. But that's why we have the quantum computer to run these experiments that would otherwise be impossible.

Cristina: Mm. What else have we done? That stuff with Ish. You and him hacking together or I guess, versus each other. I'm not really sure.

Jack: This is a whole other problem. This is when robots are trying to take over the world.

Cristina: That was when robots are trying. I know. He had a robot buddy.

Jack: He had a robot. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, he hacked one.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He hacked one.

Jack: One of the Terminator robot things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he had the robot carry him. We had a hack off to see who could hack more.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he was. He was the better hacke.

Cristina: That's what happened.

Jack: He was the better hacker. That was an interesting time. We've been involved in a couple of wars with the cat people, with the reptilians, with the cockroach people, with the robots.

Cristina: Crazy that the zombies didn't take over. But it's a good thing that we just have them on an island.

Jack: Yeah. We controlled the zombies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the flip side, we also control the lizard people, the cat people. Like, we got pretty. We've got a pretty good grasp on things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The power of the Illuminati, right there.

Cristina: Mm. But we don't have control of any most mythical creatures.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Because way too many.

Jack: There's way too many. And it's hard to f*** with them because you got to track them down first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just getting the werewolves was not easy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was hard work. It took a lot. We were. We all the invisible. We got more verse in werewolves than f****** Sam and Dean.

Cristina: We had to make some. What was the easiest way to. To lay down on a sunny day or something? On a Wednesday. On a Wednesday. In water. I don't.

Jack: We Needed to find a werewolf footprint that was wet, and then you need to lay down in the puddle.

Cristina: You gotta drink the water, I think.

Jack: Oh, really?

Cristina: Then take a nap. On a Wednesday?

Jack: No, the easier way was the belt, right?

Cristina: Oh, yeah. You just put the belt on, you turn into a werewolf.

Jack: A wolf's belt. A belt made of a wolf, I guess.

Cristina: So like a furry belt.

Jack: Then you're a werewolf, and then you're a werewolf. That's how it goes.

Cristina: It's pretty simple. And then you take it off and you're human again.

Jack: We also found out that werewolves were inherently not a thing to begin with. They became a thing after people spoke of them. Because beforehand it was just Native Americans running around doing ritual things. And somehow between point A, when colonizers showed up and saw people running in the woods that looked like werewolves, and now when we caught a werewolf, they became real. Because originally it was just people.

Cristina: It was just people.

Jack: And we actually found out how that happened, which was adrenochrome.

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: Adrenochrome created werewolves. Boom.

Cristina: Yes. Because the church somehow.

Jack: Yes. And the church is the colonizers.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because they brought Christianity over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there really wasn't. Wow. We connected those dots pretty nicely. There really wasn't werewolves. Then the colonizers showed up, saw people who were like werewolves, and they're like, we would probably do this for real. Gave them adrenochrome, created werewolves. Some of those werewolves got feral and became other creatures.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: But werewolves were there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. And this happened with many things, including the groundhog that tells us how long seasons last. Because that's his power.

Cristina: It's the lame power. He's got the lamest ability.

Jack: It matters to us for whatever reason.

Cristina: Matters to farmers.

Jack: He turned it into a whole career, I guess.

Cristina: I mean, right now it doesn't matter. I'm sure when it did matter, it mattered.

Jack: And now we just honor him because he mattered.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now it's a respect thing.

Cristina: Yeah, it's respect right now.

Jack: Yeah. It's like you helped us when we needed you most. Now we keep you hooked up until you no longer want to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a respect thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Does that make sense?

Cristina: I think so. The whole it has its own language thing is pretty ridiculous, though.

Jack: I have a theory. What if we take our time machine to Clinton Road, we put it in the woods, and we hit forward. And we hit forward at a slower pace than crazy flying through time. But faster than now or even slower than now in the time bubble that we form nothing is being altered because we create our own time bubble. But if we can still see the outside being altered, would we notice inconsistencies in how space and time shift around us? Right. If we're walking through Clinton Road and things are changing at random because there are time bubbles, then we don't notice because we're in the time bubble that we seamlessly walk through.

Cristina: But if we could take yourself out. Yeah.

Jack: If we could be in our own time bubble, would we see things that random around us changing and shifting because of the time bubbles? Yes, because we removed ourselves from it. We're not being affected.

Cristina: And if it's not time bubbles, we'll see what it is happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: If there is something else. Could be a bunch of fairies playing tricks on people. Yeah.

Jack: Because fairies are douchebags.

Cristina: Yeah. So I didn't realize that could be an option too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They love doing tricks on people.

Jack: Good. They could. And some of them are powerful enough to make it seem like you've entered some whole other area and s***.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Could be fairies.

Cristina: Whoa. I didn't even consider that as an option.

Jack: I thought aliens, but aliens could also be an option. Maybe people are just getting kidnapped and they are getting, like. By aliens who control so such advanced technology that they can alter time momentarily and they go into this sort of bubbled universe where they do things to you. They put you back and to you. It's only been a moment. Of course, in some of these instances, it's been hours. Yeah. Some of these instances it has been, like, ridiculously long for the amount of time we feel passed by. So it's like we kind of weren't there for some time.

Cristina: We.

Jack: That is weird. Like, forever. That's some of the most interesting episodes we've had because that was real experiences. And we even called people in. We called Reaper, we called Noona to hear their sides of these stories.

Cristina: Yeah. We're just missing one person side.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Who knows if they even remember because it's such a long time ago.

Jack: It was a very long time ago, and it was a very short part of our life, but we all remember it. Everybody we did call remembers it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And what's weird is the difference in everybody's story. That's crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody had something different happening.

Cristina: Mm. Everyone had a very strange night, but in a very different way. Yes.

Jack: That's. What's the craziest part about that. Those are some of my favorite episodes, man.

Cristina: How else could we explore Clinton Road?

Jack: Definitely with the time machine. We'll Get a new perspective on things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Alternatively, we could use the quantum computer and simulate all of the wood and see what we see, because we can stop it. Anything at any moment, move around, look at everything.

Cristina: That'd be interesting. Can we see things in the computer? Like, could we put you guys in that?

Jack: Yeah, we can get the computer to simulate us perfectly and just recreate the series of events that we saw.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that'd be so crazy.

Jack: Yeah, that's. That's what it's there for. We do whatever the h*** we want.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I also remember this one time that we simulated a child in the quantum computer who was born not being able to see, not being able to hear, not being able to talk. We just made some horrible human.

Cristina: That is horrible.

Jack: Just so we could see what their thoughts are like. Remember that?

Cristina: I don't. And I don't know. Like, what did we find, though?

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: Do you remember? That is a crazy experiment. That seems so wrong because they think.

Jack: There'S nothing that would stop them from thinking their brain is still functional.

Cristina: Yeah, but how do they think if they can't? If they can't, there's no senses.

Jack: Yes. We removed all the senses. But left everything functioning.

Cristina: But left everything functioning.

Jack: Yes, because if we left the tactile sensations, they would think in sensation, like physical touch. If we left scent, they would think in smell. If we left sound, they would think in audible thoughts. Yeah, but we took everything away.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. It's so weird. I feel like I remember something. What are those creepypasta stories that are similar to that, but it's not like a child. It was a person who. They took his senses away from him just to see what would happen. It's. Of course it leads to something creepy.

Jack: Nicki went crazy. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. He goes crazy. Then he starts seeing dead people, he says, but they don't believe him. And then I think in the end, he pretty much sees God or something.

Jack: Yes, but this is all happening when they took away his senses. But he could still talk.

Cristina: Yeah, but he could still communicate to them what he.

Jack: Yeah, they took away his sense of touch, of smell, of sound, of sight.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he could talk.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they put this machine to him, and they left him in a room, and little by little, he devolved into madness.

Cristina: Mm. That's pretty crazy.

Jack: I mean, we had a creepypasta episode.

Cristina: We did. I don't think that story was in that creepypasta episode, but that's a creepypasta for sure.

Jack: Yeah. This really cool creep pastas are Cool. I like them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The weird f***** up stories.

Cristina: Yeah, it's just fun storytelling. Just campfire storytelling.

Jack: Fun. Yes. It's the Internet's campfire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're so well done. They're way better than campfire stories.

Cristina: Yeah, they are. They're very similar, though. Like. Yeah, the idea is still there. It's very social.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The same thing as you. You telling somebody else a thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're written really well too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, and not just. I don't mean written as in like novelized narration. It's like they're written in a believable way, which is the tool of the Internet. Like, that's how you write something on the Internet to make it scarier.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You write it like, oh, this is.

Cristina: A post on Reddit happening right now.

Jack: Yeah, there was actually some like that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, people being hot. Actually, some of these aren't even like, creepypastas. Some of these are just weird people. Or not weird people. People posting about weird things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they'll be log. Of course, some of them are bullshit, but they're following the format of people who are doing it in places that are real. And I'll be like, hey, there's something weird happening in my house. And I'll post every day to keep you updated. And then this troll just drops off the face of the earth one day.

Cristina: Yes. Usually the friend of the person writes the last post to say, oh, whoever died or mysteriously disappeared or something.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: He left me this last message to give you guys or whatever. Like, what? But it's part of the fun, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's crazy, right? Yeah, I like all that kind of stuff. That's totally dope.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We've. We've gone places.

Cristina: We've gone places through the Internet or through this podcast. All of it.

Jack: Both. All of the above.

Cristina: All of the above. All of the Part of the Internet anyway.

Jack: Yeah, but we also have access to all the information in the world, period. Not just the Internet. We got straight access to the Freemason's library. We have all the resources of the Illuminati.

Cristina: That's true, but the Internet is so much more fun.

Jack: Yeah, well, not really. Sometimes we just go and wander out and do things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Talk to people. We found out what the real Scooby Doo is like. We had conversations. I tracked down this f****** scientist, saw his work. He just came out of nowhere and disappeared into the ether just as fast. This real life mad scientist out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a real guy. People in The Scooby Doo episode, you will hear about a real human who makes chimeras. Who makes chimeras? That's just his thing. He will go wherever he could go. That they'll allow him to make chimeras. And he did.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With China, our buddies who give us sub humans.

Cristina: He meets Scooby Doo.

Jack: He could have.

Cristina: He could have. He could have. Yes. Okay, we.

Jack: We don't know anything for sure.

Cristina: No, we can guess.

Jack: Yeah. And we know that Scooby Doo was just one of the failed attempts at making his cousin.

Cristina: Which guy is he?

Jack: The gray, like, superhero dog?

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that was. I don't understand. No, that guy's a robot.

Jack: Was he a robot?

Cristina: I don't know. He's, like, a Transformer robot.

Jack: That's weird. And that's one of the most recent revelations, too. Transformers.

Cristina: Transformers. Yes.

Jack: The fact that God not only made people, he made robots.

Cristina: Or there's two different gods.

Jack: Or just two different gods. Fair enough. We are yet to confirm this information.

Cristina: Yeah. What? I'm very. I can't wait to find out the answer. Especially if it's two different gods, because.

Jack: I mean, something made those gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If there's two gods. We got to go further back.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if the show even goes that far back, though.

Jack: But just give up at some point.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. That's so crazy. How did we even get there? I don't know. Somehow through he man.

Jack: He man led to Transformers. It makes sense.

Cristina: It's. I don't know if it makes sense. Does it make sense?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Is this a clear connection?

Jack: I'm sure we could connect it if we wanted to. That's what we do here at the Just Conversation podcast. We connect dots.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's our job. That's what we do. We talk about the big pressing issues in the world. We combine all the dots, and it is what it is.

Cristina: We're no different than conspiracy theorists. Don't they do that? They're just connecting dots from different titles of new news titles.

Jack: Yeah, but their dot connecting doesn't inherently make sense. Like, we're trying to ground things. They're just not connecting.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. We're trying to say this because that. They're just trying to say, this sounds like that.

Cristina: This sounds like that.

Jack: Yeah. Like, I can explain the things we believe with science.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we. We've. We've been round, and since there's. We even got episodes in which we're just helping people.

Cristina: When do we help people?

Jack: Relationship Advice when we're answering science questions. There was one time that we were just trolling people's answer to complicated paradigm.

Cristina: Yes, recently we helped people convert to Christianity.

Jack: Yes, recently we. We. We jumped on our path towards the light and we tried to bring you guys with us.

Cristina: Yeah, well, yeah, that is. That's so crazy because you can convert someone to it and then convert someone away from it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, I've mastered the art of doing that. Which then, then brings us to the guests and everything. Right. Like we mentioned germs and we mentioned Ishmael. But like, we've had a multitude of guests on this show. A bunch of interesting people, from musicians to artists, directors, other podcasters. Just a lot going on. Some of them multidisciplinary people.

Cristina: And some of us tried. Some of them tried to convert us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Two very strange things.

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Into. I don't know, what's the religion called?

Jack: Oh, the. You're talking about Michael Horn.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To pull us into the religion of Billy Mayer and his UFO contacts and stuff.

Cristina: Yes. It's very, very interesting.

Jack: Ishmael tried to convince me that he saw h***.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah. You can't disprove him.

Jack: I can't. I can't. I haven't crossed that threshold.

Cristina: That's too crazy. I don't know. We'll see.

Jack: We'll see. He'll be back one day.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll have more stories.

Jack: Actually, he literally has another story about a near death experience. We need to get him back on the show. Oh, like he almost died again.

Cristina: How often does this happen?

Jack: Quite often. And he still thinks it had to do with the llama.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was the one that he didn't have. The llama again.

Cristina: Really? Yeah.

Jack: Which would give way credibility to that llama. Like just really protecting him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the one. The another one time he doesn't have it, boom. Almost dies.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe he is onto something.

Jack: He got the lucky llama. Interesting little artifact to own.

Cristina: Yes. Man, we have so many different guests. I don't know, there's just so many guests, so many topics, so many.

Jack: Yeah, we're all over the place. Yes, all over the place with it. There's no consistency in anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Sometimes our whole episode is fueled by an investigation we're running for the Illuminati. They give us an objective. We do our research and we just share it with you guys and we go do our homework and we go on our mission. We accomplish our mission. We let you guys know everything that happens.

Cristina: Did they give you. The mission to try to get. I forgot the name of the guest, but to get him to kill a baby.

Jack: You're talking about Bran, then.

Cristina: Yes. And the baby shaking.

Jack: The baby shaking.

Cristina: That was pretty intense.

Jack: No, they didn't want me to get him to shake a baby.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That was just curiosity. Me playing the devil's advocate, which happens with pretty much every guest.

Cristina: And the trolley. He wasn't the only one you've done that with, have you?

Jack: No, with Cliff from Space Skits. I gave him the trolley experiment. But we had a kid, the kid who was starving.

Cristina: Oh, yes. You get him. Oh, my God. Can't die.

Jack: He can't die. And this guy just made his situation ever worse. Yeah, that was a great trolley experiment.

Cristina: Yes. Just making this poor kid's life worse and worse.

Jack: Progressively, like infinitely worse.

Cristina: Because he was trying to be the nice guy. Yep.

Jack: He was trying to not cause problems and as a result made everything 100% worse.

Cristina: That was awesome. Okay.

Jack: We've also, many times, many, many, many times gone down complete thought vortexes with Dave.

Cristina: Yes. But about, like, what, like the Matrix?

Jack: A lot of it. Because the mate, he's so well versed in the Matrix and a lot of, like, everything kind of relates heavily.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So we end up always going back to that or comparing notes with that.

Cristina: With reality in it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Mm. He needs to come back. Is he alright?

Jack: He's fine. Thieves lives.

Cristina: He lives life.

Jack: He lives on the ice.

Cristina: Watches movies.

Jack: Watches movies? Yeah.

Cristina: Wasn't there a movie he needed to watch that you were talking to him about? No, he was talking about Supernatural. You think he ever started that journey?

Jack: I have no idea. That's.

Cristina: That's a journey.

Jack: That's a journey, man. 22 episodes, 15 seasons.

Cristina: It's possible.

Jack: That's crazy. Yeah. Who else have we totally gone down weird thought vortexes with? We had Dave, we had Christian. We went through some interesting ones with him. He came an atheist and left a believer.

Cristina: Whoa. And there's Anthony and Ryan.

Jack: Those are such amazing humans. And both trolls.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I remember one episode where Ryan was trying to troll you. Yeah. He was trying to troll me without realizing. Like, bro, I am not pretending to be a troll.

Cristina: Where did that lead us? I feel like it had to do with tape or something. There was a bow and if you just put the thing.

Jack: Flexial.

Cristina: Flexial. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't even know. I know that he was trying to consistently change the topic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I was okay with that. And that was bothering him that he was trying to troll and I was following along, which means he had to be able to continue to change the topic without losing himself in thought, which kind of annoyed him because he wanted to lose me in thought. But, like, I don't. This show has no. Yeah, like, this has no direction already, dude.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: What do you. What you. What are you trying to derail?

Cristina: He did not win that battle.

Jack: He did not win the battle.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: His. He gets an A for effort.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, but it's like, I would need a plan for you to destroy the plan. And like, I don't have a plan.

Cristina: No, but he usually has a plan, I guess.

Jack: Yes. How are you a troll with a plan?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He comes in thinking, this is what's got to be done. This is how it's got to be done. It's like, I don't care, dude. Whatever goes, it goes.

Cristina: And you won that. What? That was funny.

Jack: Oh, yes. Oh, yes. He can't handle the trolling, man. We had a conversation about cheese. I remember that. Asking how. How he likes cheese. How much cheese do you like, bro? Freestyling on cheese.

Cristina: Yes, the whole conversation about cheese.

Jack: Whole conversation about cheese. Anthony is. He's the gay me.

Cristina: Yes, he is.

Jack: You precise down to like, though just how he thinks, how casual he is, how little f**** he gives. It's awesome.

Cristina: Mm. Does he like cheese?

Jack: I wonder. I should bring Anthony on and have an entire conversation about how much he likes cheese.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he probably can't eat cheese, cuz b*** sex.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's problematic. You don't want to have cheese and then have b*** sex.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because that's a problem. You don't want to have the poops while you. You. You f****** butts.

Cristina: Is cheese making poops?

Jack: Cheese is making you have a loose poops. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Gives people runny poops.

Cristina: Do you like cheese?

Jack: I like cheese. I don't have cheese often, though.

Cristina: If you could, would you have it often?

Jack: I could. I still don't have it often, so no.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. We went into granular detail about the gayest things known to man with Anthony. I should bring Ryan on and ask him the same questions I asked Anthony as though Ryan himself was gay.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's an interesting episode.

Jack: Yeah. I'll just write the questions down on paper after listening to the episode with Anthony. Then I'll ask Ryan those questions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: My first interview is gonna be with Ryan.

Cristina: Your first interview?

Jack: Yeah. Because it's always open discussion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My first interview will be with Ryan and I'm gonna ask him questions as though he's gay.

Cristina: Okay. I love it.

Jack: And there's two episodes with Anthony that we can take questions from.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. This is so fun. Yes.

Jack: And has Ryan been on three times or two?

Cristina: I feel like two.

Jack: Two. I know. Dave has been on three times or four.

Cristina: He's the most.

Jack: Yeah, he might be cut in five. I'm not sure.

Cristina: Whoa. Anthony twice. Also.

Jack: Anthony twice, Ryan twice. Ishmael three times.

Cristina: Well, we need some of these guests.

Jack: Back, but I also want, like, brand new guests.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what I'm excited about for next year. No repeats. Just all new guests.

Cristina: All new.

Jack: All new guests.

Cristina: All year. All year.

Jack: All year. Everybody's new.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: Everyone's new. No repeats.

Cristina: Lame. Okay, that's fine.

Jack: Yeah. Well, then again, no, there could be repeats. Yeah, it doesn't matter. Doesn't matter.

Cristina: Doesn't matter.

Jack: Because there's gonna be at least one new guest per month would be the goal. Repeats could come in no matter when.

Cristina: Oh, yes. We're cha. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Things are happening.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's an evolution happening in the works. Thoughts being discussed and whatnot. So that'll be interesting.

Cristina: That will be.

Jack: I hope that plays out accordingly. It's actually why we don't talk about it into Mike, because a bunch of times things change. Consistently.

Cristina: Things definitely change all the time. Yes. We've mentioned so many things that. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. That's why we don't mention it. Because sometimes we have an idea and we'll, like, throw it away and it's like it never made it on mic, so we don't have to worry.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Since we never talk about it. It's just natural things happening in the background because a lot of it is just free floating thoughts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's the right way. The show is always evolving. Always changing.

Cristina: That's the way it should be.

Jack: That's the way it should be. One format for all of eternity. That sucks.

Cristina: That's boring.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Our show's not boring.

Jack: Our show's not boring. It's also really hard to comprehend. Again, this narrative is crazy.

Cristina: The. Yes, the storyline.

Jack: Yeah, I don't fully comprehend our storyline myself.

Cristina: Yes. This episode, trying to explain it is probably really complicated.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it's really complicated because also some.

Cristina: Of our guests have been in our story, which we already mentioned.

Jack: Ishmael, Jermaine.

Cristina: But also Dave has. And that we didn't mention. But I think he is a clone.

Jack: Yeah, Dave is a clone as well. There's a couple of clones.

Cristina: Yeah. But he also died during this show as well.

Jack: Yes. That's why he's a clone.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: He was killed early. And then the clone, him is who showed up after a while.

Cristina: Yeah. And it was perfect because his nickname is already clone.

Jack: Yes. Yes, that is perfect. So then he became the actual clone.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's crazy. There's a. There's a lot going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jermaine's a ghost.

Cristina: He is.

Jack: Ishmael is also clone.

Cristina: He is too.

Jack: There's a lot of clones running around.

Cristina: Is he the clone, though? Because they are.

Jack: We don't know. We actually have no idea what the answer to that question is.

Cristina: The clone.

Jack: They fought each other and won one. We know one of them won. We're just not asking questions.

Cristina: Yes. And I doubt he knows.

Jack: Yeah. Because they both think they're the real one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we have an idea. We have an idea.

Cristina: We have no idea. Whoa.

Jack: He might or might not be the clone.

Cristina: There's no way to test that, though, is.

Jack: There's no way to test that they would be genetically identical.

Cristina: Well, all right.

Jack: Well, actually, there is a way to test it.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: We gotta clone him.

Cristina: How would that help if he ends up flawed?

Jack: Yeah, if he's flawed. If the clone. Clone's clone is flat. Well, if the clone we get is flawed, then that's the clone's clone. Yeah, but if he's a perfect clone, then we cloned the original.

Cristina: Yes, but then the original will look at that clone, decided they need a fight to the death, and then we'll.

Jack: Be in the same situation, so it doesn't even matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All we would have answered is he was the clone. But we'll be left with the same question now. Because we'll be like, I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly.

Jack: So there's no way to solve that problem.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Ishmael's too impulsive. He's gonna try to kill himself every time on site. Yes, which is exactly what happened. It was no discussion.

Cristina: Like jumping into that hole. No thought doing it.

Jack: Yep. No thought, just straight in.

Cristina: That's why I think it killed him a few times. So I don't know if you were sending in clones. So is he a clone or did he survive?

Jack: I think he was the.

Cristina: And he was jumping back.

Jack: Look, I don't know if he was a clone or not. I know he jumped through.

Cristina: Yeah. And he came back several times, though.

Jack: Yes. Just f****** around, jumping like, haha. Jumping in and out. So I don't know. I don't know. I couldn't that in no way tells us whether he was a clone or not. We just know you can survive on the other side. Yeah, which, thanks to his impulsiveness, we got the answer to.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Meanwhile, we were just trying to get people to come up with clever ways to test.

Cristina: Without going in. Because we have asked other people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Without going in, how would they test it?

Jack: But Ishmael just hopped through.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he just proved it's fine.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: So, like, his impulsiveness worked out in our favor.

Cristina: Yes, but if it didn't, then what? I guess we'd continue testing it the way we were.

Jack: Well, no. If he jumped through and died, there's no point.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Then we just know it's too hostile. We just gotta, like, build a cement case around that black hole.

Cristina: Yeah, but now we're gonna start. We're gonna destroy my house so that we could sell tickets to enter it.

Jack: Yes. I don't know where it goes, but you guys are gonna have a wait.

Cristina: Are we doing the clones first? Are we gonna send them out just to make sure it's safe to explore it? Yeah, the sub humans.

Jack: Yes. We'll send subhumans in with cameras attached and stuff.

Cristina: And if it's safe enough, then we'll make a business around it.

Jack: Yes, yes. The same way that I did with Time Machine.

Cristina: All right, perfect.

Jack: Which I killed the other me for the time machine, Right? Is that how that went?

Cristina: I thought you ran away. You think you killed you?

Jack: Well, I was. I guess the plan was to kill me.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But I don't think I did. I'm just saying that the goal was.

Cristina: Okay, then.

Jack: That is because I was sending people with the time machine, and I got a hold of the time machine.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That does make sense. Maybe the other you. The copy of the copy was sent to kill you from the Illuminati because they didn't like what you were doing with the machine.

Jack: But that wasn't me.

Cristina: The other you. Whatever. The one that's in hiding right now.

Jack: Yes, I think that's what happened. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Cristina: And then instead of killing him, he killed Jermaine. Jermaine. Okay.

Jack: But still this. And then went and became a model.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That we later saw on a billboard. Also, it looks nothing like me. It looks like an old white guy. So, like.

Cristina: Yeah, I can.

Jack: I can understand how this clone was confused.

Cristina: Does Jermaine look like an old white guy?

Jack: No, Jermaine just looks like Jermaine. Okay, but we really did see this clone on a billboard.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is the Most amazing takeaway. We were f****** around, talking about this thing. Went outside into the real world, and we saw the exact descriptions we were talking about.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We.

Cristina: Whoa, whoa.

Jack: Another argument for this being the Matrix.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Dave's on to something.

Cristina: Yes. And there was that one time where you and another guest were trying to predict shootings.

Jack: Oh, my God. And we did.

Cristina: Yeah. And then you had a second episode for it. Because.

Jack: Trying to like, you know, disclaimer. We didn't tell him to do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we predicted one of these mass shootings would happen immediately after the other one.

Cristina: Do you remember that guest name?

Jack: That guess was Blake.

Cristina: Blake Weatherly. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: And me and Blake Weatherly just really use hard information. We sat down and we thought about it. We worked it all in our heads because of a mass shooting that happened. Talked about society and how it affects psychology, and in doing so, we came to the conclusion that, well, because of how it affects psychology, somebody else is gonna see this. And then we're have a copycat killer. No time. The f****** day the episode went up, six hours later, another mass shooting happened.

Cristina: Unrelated.

Jack: Unrelated. In the exact specifications manifesto and everything. It was like, oh, crap, we need like an emergency.

Cristina: And then you recorded the emergency episode.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's just like this f*****. We did not tell this guy to do that. Yeah, but it could totally look to people like he heard the episode and then said some s***.

Cristina: Although that's not your fault if he did that. Do that. If he did hear the episode. Is that your fault? No, because it's not like you told him.

Jack: No, we were just over here theorizing and talking about s***. But you know, just to be. Just to be on the safer side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And to also pat ourselves on the back for getting it right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's a weird, like, well, this is a tragedy. But also we got it right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So like, win, lose.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, we also predicted something about Jeff Bezos. He did it. I don't remember what it was about.

Jack: I don't either. We predicted a couple of things though, that did turn out true. I was listening to a clip on our Instagram recently of a conversation I was having with. Was I talking to. I don't remember, but I was actually predicting Biden.

Cristina: Biden winning.

Jack: Oh, I was talking to Aaron from a perspective podcast. I was predicting Biden winning without knowing Biden would even run. I knew somebody from the left would win by default. As I said in the clip. And I said that we would immediately start correcting things as a knee jerk reaction instead of thinking about it, which I said in the clip that we should be talking about. We should be electing Trump again so that we have four years to plan rather than elect somebody from the left who's immediately gonna force all the stupid ideas we had as solutions into law.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is what's happening.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: I predicted that. And it's taking place.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, yeah. The reality.

Cristina: Yes. You see, we are the best. I don't know. Fortune tellers.

Jack: Yeah. We're really good at our jobs. That's why the Illuminati has us here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't have anybody else here. Anybody else would lie. Anybody else would bullshit. And the original versions of us weren't doing their jobs too well either.

Cristina: They were fine.

Jack: They were talking too much s*** about the Illuminati, I guess.

Cristina: It wasn't even me. It was you and Dave. I was just there, I guess.

Jack: But you weren't stopping us, I guess. So everybody got killed and here we are, the better versions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it is what it is. We're here thanks to their f*** ups. So, like, what's the argument anyways? If you guys want to discover all those things, that's what the Just Conversation podcast is really about. That was the history. That was all the things that we have done for five years.

Cristina: Five years.

Jack: You guys can go and see five years worth of narrative with a story. Adventures, Missions. We've gone on. Yes. Randomness. We've gone on missions for the Illuminati. We've gone on personal expeditions. We have run experiments. We confiscated a quantum computer. We have a time machine. I put people through h***.

Cristina: We.

Jack: All of it. It's all great.

Cristina: All of it's all great. Yeah.

Jack: And if you guys want this kind of stuff you want to find out, you can listen to the show. You can find it pretty much anywhere. You can find it on the official website, greatthoughts.info, or on Apple podcasts or on Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, you know, leave us a review.

Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the world. And if you know friends who want a lovely, chaotic, random story, you tell them, hey, I got some weird sci fi fantasy like documentary show for you. And you can. You can go.

Cristina: It's got everything.

Jack: It's got a little bit of everything.

Cristina: Even romance.

Jack: It does it literally has romance. There are episodes about relationships.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, you know, tell them about it. Tell them you want to learn about everything. You want to learn about how your universe works the real way. Here's the Just Conversation podcast where they have conversations about those things.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks. Watching for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Like, watching someone. Someone accept award for doing something great. That's kind of weird.

Jack: That's pretty weird.

Cristina: Like, they can get that at home. We don't have to watch them all live together.

Jack: I love award ceremonies.

Cristina: It's the weirdest.

Jack: It's so weird. We're there to watch somebody be given a trophy.

Cristina: Yes. It's like. And we do that in school, though. Like, the person who gets the best grades, honor roll the whole year, they're gonna get a little certificate paper on stage.

Jack: Yeah. You know, here's the thing. It programs us to want that movie star moment where we get the trophy on stage, because we've been taught over and over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To. You know, you're gonna go on stage. You're gonna do so well. You get to go on stage.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And people are gonna clap and they're gonna be happy for how well you did. And it's like, why do you need that validation?

Cristina: It's important.

Jack: But they're teaching us to want that validation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's important for them that we need that validation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess that's kind of the programming, isn't it?

Cristina: We're being programmed.

Jack: We're being programmed because then they can control our behavior. We need the validation. And we only get the validation if we do the things that they've put in place. So we have to work to get the promotion. And if we get the promotion, everybody knows because we get promoted on site. This is now we're promoting this guy to do the thing now he's moving up in life. We want to congratulate him for his job well done. And you're like, yeah, I did it. But you're being essentially brainwashed to just follow the line and do the job. And you're gonna get rewarded if you do the job. Exactly. To the T that they told you to do the job.

Cristina: You have to. That's the most important part, that you.

Jack: Do what you're told.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's some f***** s***. That's crazy brainwashing.

Cristina: Yeah. But it's exactly what's happening in the military.

Jack: And not just the military. I'm talking about everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A celebrity is essentially that.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.07 John Dirté & The American Dream

John Dirté, Podcast, Conversation, Just Conversation, Discussion, Politics, Criminal Justice, Marijuana Stories, Pot, Mary Jane, Drugs, Party, Sex, Rock, Business

Guest John Dirté comes on to discuss his epic marijuana adventures, his sociopolitical views, the criminal justice system, healthy eating, business owning and much much more!

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Topics Discussed

  • Murca
  • Shit Posting
  • Marijuana Stories
  • Drug Taxation
  • How Mullets are Born
  • The Birth of John Dirte
  • The Death Penalty
  • Rehabilitating Criminals
  • Suicide
  • The Border Wall
  • Nazi Germany
  • Good Cops vs Bad Cops
  • Eating Healthy
  • Cigarettes

John Dirté Links

Instagram - @2tone12valve

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Tiktok - https://www.tiktok.com/@johndirte_69

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Rambling 137: The Woodsman vs The Griffin

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Will our human instincts get us in trouble more often than they will help us? And would God’s Zilla beat a Griffin in a fight? The duo make it their duty to unpack and resolve some of the most pressing issues about size and survival when it comes to creatures of all types, including human huntsman and gods.

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Topics Discussed

  • The Woodsman
  • Axe Killer
  • Japan Sinks Spoilers
  • Survival Instincts
  • Mermaids vs Mermen
  • Ireland isn’t Real
  • Talking Birds
  • Link’s Sword
  • The Garden of Eden
  • God’s Zilla
  • Men Over Women
  • Bird vs Griffin
  • Shenron
  • World Serpent
  • Unicorn Magic
  • Cybertron

Our Links:

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: And also, this show is most enjoyable with listening partners, so be sure to go find somebody while you're traveling in through the woods or wherever you usually casually stroll through with your knife. Right. You're always in the woods with some kind of dangerous tool or something, because that's what our listeners do. They turn. Their ipods are brand new, you know, state of the art ipod or their Zune. A lot of people have their Zune.

Cristina: What is a Zune?

Jack: It's like the failed ripoff MP3 players.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like, a lot of people, they don't even have ipods. They're just. Everybody's checking out on their Zunes, listening to the Just Conversation podcast on their Zune and they connect it and they're walking through the woods. Some people have a whole boombox. I remember that too. Some people just had a boombox that they were like blasting. But you're finding random teenagers who are camping in the woods with your boombox and. Or your Zune and some headphones and a knife or a machete or an axe that you just happen to also be wandering through. And when you see the kids, you just full fledged, just start dashing in their direction with all the force, all the force you have. You just dash as fast as you can towards them to tell them, hey, you guys can listen to this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's great.

Cristina: That is so horrifying.

Jack: It's great. The first thought they're gonna have is, we want to listen to that show.

Cristina: We want to listen to that.

Jack: We want to listen to that show. He seems so convinced we should listen.

Cristina: He looks so excited. Is he running towards them with a smile on his face?

Jack: Yes, with a smile on his face. A Zune or a boombox in one hand and an axe in the other. Just because he's just in case. You never know what's going to attack you in the woods. So you know, he has electronics. If something attacks him, he's there, he has defense. But he's like, hey, a bunch of campers. And I'm assuming you usually roam the woods, which is why, you know, to have an axe in the first place. So you probably like got a scraggly beard and you've got like a bunch of dirty like woods type clothing, but.

Cristina: Type clothing?

Jack: Yeah. Like. Like you've been out there for a while so you're not necessarily city ready but you're kind looking guy. Maybe you hunt yourself. So you use that same axe to hunt. So it's got some blood from an animal on it or whatever.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Yeah. And maybe you got some blood on yourself from having just hunted a deer and you're coming from.

Cristina: Hunts a deer with an ax.

Jack: He hunts a deer with an axe. Because he is a solid deer hunter.

Cristina: What kind of deer hunter? That's a really skilled.

Jack: He's a beast, bro. He's a pro. He runs out there and just flings the axe and catches the deer. First shot in the head.

Cristina: Is he a character from a video game?

Jack: He could be. He's the. The warrior from Gauntlet.

Cristina: He's a war. Okay.

Jack: And he just sees a deer from far. He's far as. But he's such a good axe thrower that he at a distance predicts where that deer's head is gonna be, throws it and then one shots the deer in the head.

Cristina: That is amazing. I wish these kids saw that. But they just see the aftermath.

Jack: They just see him after he just finished taking the deer. He's gonna go home to get the equipment to go skin and you know, prepare the deer. And as he's going home, he sees a bunch of kids who just pulled up, put their tents down and stuff. And he's just wandering and. And he has his boombox and he has his. His axe and he sees the kids and he just starts dashing towards them like people. How exciting. I can show them the show. And he just starts.

Cristina: Because we just said, hey, go tell someone about it.

Jack: Yeah. Just as he saw them.

Cristina: As he saw. Yeah.

Jack: And so he's just. Wow, what a. What are the chances that I would be at this part of the episode.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When I see a bunch of kids and so just full, full dash. Full dash. Totally as fast as he can in their direction.

Cristina: Wow, that's an incredible story. I hope this is real. I hope this is happening right now, man.

Jack: Do you think it's happening right now? F****** amazing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I wonder how often there is a. What was the name of that movie where the kids were just hanging out in the woods and there were the two guys who were just like. Like lumberjacks or whatever?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't remember. They had some plain a** names.

Jack: Yeah, it was like Dale and some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Evil.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I forget the name of it, but, like, I'm sure that's happened. Not really, man. Maybe somebody died just because they thought it was. Is the problem is people do crazy s*** when they're scared?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's a problem. People react f****** nuts, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People get crazy when they're scared and they do crazy s***. People in panic are completely irrational.

Cristina: Yes. Like those children.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Wait, no. Are those. Who are. Who's the crazy people right now?

Jack: The kids, the teenagers in the. In the movie, I guess. And in the case of our. Our woodsman traveling while listening to the show the Children, I guess he has a Zune, right? Because if they heard. If he has a boombox and they heard him. Yeah, they heard that part because he's close enough to see them and there's nothing else happening in the woods, which means the boombox would echo pretty nicely.

Cristina: So it shouldn't be a boombox.

Jack: It shouldn't be a boombox. This is the guy who is actually traveling with his brand new Zun.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: And the reason he has a Zune is because he's a woodsman and he's not caught up on technology. It all makes sense now.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Yes. So he's on his Zune, hears it all. They see it. They don't even see the Zune because it's so small. They just see a dude with an ax that's bloody, covered, like, covered with blood. His outfit is covered with blood.

Cristina: Where's the deer?

Jack: He left the deer.

Cristina: Where he left the deer?

Jack: He left the deer because he. What the f*** is he gonna do? Carry the deer? Yeah, like how big a deer is? He's got to go get the things to chop the deer up. Oh, he killed the deer. Now he's gonna get the things and gonna go clean the deer up.

Cristina: How does he make sure that other animals don't steal the deer?

Jack: He's not gonna be gone forever.

Cristina: Yeah, but I don't know how far he is from where he needs to go.

Jack: I'm assuming he's not just hunting way far away from home. Like, he's a. I'm sure he's prepared for this because otherwise he just hunted way the f*** far away, didn't really think it through, and is gonna lose what he killed.

Cristina: He throws an axe at the deer. That's so crazy.

Jack: That's how trained he is.

Cristina: Carry the deer home.

Jack: It's huge. A deer is f****** huge. A deer is easily 400, £500.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That sounds crazy. Oh, my gosh okay.

Jack: Yeah. Okay, Fair enough. Let's find out.

Cristina: Okay. It says that usually 130 to 300 pounds, but there have been reports of over 350 pounds.

Jack: That's crazy. Fair enough. 130 pounds. A, like, jacked enough guy could definitely carry that. So I guess in theory, he could carry. He could carry the deer.

Cristina: If it's 300, though.

Jack: Yeah, that's a little harder. And plus, the distance, Even if it's £130, the distance he'll be carrying it, it's more efficient to grab what you need.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then take the whole f****** deer. Yeah, like, you don't need the head. That's added weight. The legs, added weight. But also, you don't want to just carry, like, a mangled corpse.

Cristina: Yeah, but he shouldn't just leave the deer there. I think he should hang it on a tree, which is cool, because if the kids do run and they run through the forest, they see the deer up in the tree, I mean, he's.

Jack: Not trying to scare the kids.

Cristina: I know, but it's just a horrifying moment for the kids, too.

Jack: Yeah, that would just be highly inconvenient if he was also doing that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But actually, I think that's how you drain the deer of blood in the first place. You do things like that. Like, you hang it up. So maybe he did.

Cristina: He did.

Jack: He probably hung it up so that it would, like, bleed out so that.

Cristina: How much horrifying is that then? Like, it's just a bloody mess. With a deer hanging on a tree.

Jack: Probably with the deer, usually they cut the deer's neck so that it bleeds out through its neck. Because you hang it from its legs so that the blood comes downward towards its main artery. And so you cut its neck so that it would bleed out the most.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And drain it. And then you come and cut it down and take the meat you want from it. So it's completely possible that there is a deer hanging and as he's dashing towards the children, but they would be running away from him, and he's coming from the deer. So they wouldn't see the deer anyways until they circle back around.

Cristina: Yeah, if they have to do that.

Jack: If they have to. Yeah. So for whatever reason, these kids, they panic.

Cristina: They definitely panic.

Jack: They do. They shouldn't, though, because he's just trying to get them to listen to the show. It ain't that serious. It's just a show. It's a podcast.

Cristina: But if you see this man, do not run from him.

Jack: But also, if you see this man, and you're hearing us tell you not to run from him, you're probably also looking for somebody to listen to the show.

Cristina: Yeah. So then you do walk. You listen to the show with him.

Jack: Well, no, because you're both listening to the show already. You need to get somebody else.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Then again, it doesn't say, find somebody who isn't already listening to the show.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yeah. Just says, get a listening partner.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So fair enough. If you're both listening to this and you know that the other interesting. If you're one of the kids in the woods who's already listening to the show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the guy in the woods starts.

Cristina: Running towards you, you listen to the show with us. Well, we.

Jack: We've straight up told you about the guy running towards you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is weird because we would predict such a thing. So the guy in the woods is like, wow, this is, like, highly specific. And about me, while the kid who's listening in the woods while his friends are just, like, f****** inside of a tent or whatever they're doing, he's thinking the same thing. He's like, yeah, this is, like, weirdly specific.

Cristina: Yeah. So they run towards each other. What does his friends think when they see him running towards the man with an axe?

Jack: Like the fact that he's not running away. Yeah, they're just like, he. He. He suggested we come here. Whatever's about to happen, he's f****** in on it. Of course he said we should come to the woods. He begged us. We don't even like the woods or city kids. But he told us, hey, man, come on, let's. And now he's just chilling there. We see this maniac with an axe running towards us, man.

Cristina: This is that movie, though, because he's gonna. He's gonna end up, like, tripping in front of the guy, getting killed from the ax or something. And then they're gonna be like, oh, my gosh, he tried to protect us, and then he died.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The kid.

Jack: The kid who already knows?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I feel like he's the one who's not gonna die.

Cristina: Then again, if he accidentally died in front, like, while he was running to the guy with the axe.

Jack: But why would he. If the guy's holding the axe, they would both have to trip.

Cristina: Oh, then maybe they do trip. I'm just thinking of the movie that it just happened like that.

Jack: But this isn't the movie. This is real life.

Cristina: Oh, this is real life.

Jack: This is real life. This isn't. The events from that Movie.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But if somehow that kid did happen to die, I'm not sure why he would, but if he did, now this guy doesn't have somebody to listen with, which means he has to chase one of these other kids down. And he knows he needs a listening partner. So now he has a pause. He just stops. He's like, f***, I know this kid was listening. I saw his ipod.

Jack: And so he wraps up his. He takes his headphones off, he pauses the show, he does whatever due to a Zune to lock it so it doesn't hit play accidentally. He wraps it up, puts it in his pocket. I have no idea. He puts it in his pocket and then he just starts dashing behind one of his kids because he needs somebody to listen with.

Cristina: Yes, because I forgot the many reasons. I don't know. He dies, someone in his family dies, someone gets cancer. He gets cancer. I don't know.

Jack: What are we talking about?

Cristina: Like if you don't get someone to listen to a show, what happens if.

Jack: You don't get somebody to listen to the show? I'm going to harm your children. Oh, yes, Your children are in danger. Later you'll be in danger too. But I'm gonna make sure to hit you emotionally first.

Cristina: Was part of it somehow.

Jack: Well, no. Everybody who listens gets cancer.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So yeah, both of these people have cancer anyways.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Because they heard the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's just an inevitability.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Actually, anybody listening to the show, if you're hearing this part of the. Actually, if you heard the show at all, I'm just reminding you right now, you have cancer.

Cristina: You have cancer. Yeah. So you got to continue listening.

Jack: Yeah. At this point you already got cancer. Commitment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just commit. You already got cancer for listening to the show. Commit.

Cristina: Do we have cancer?

Jack: No, because we don't listen to the show.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're immune.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: It's something about listening to the show without being here live in the studio with us that gives you cancer. Yeah, it's kind of like 5G towers.

Cristina: I was thinking of 5G and how it related. I had no clue how, though.

Jack: I don't know how either. I just know that it'll give you cancer. Like if it was 5G.

Cristina: Like if it was 5G. I thought somehow our voices gave out 5G or something. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know either. It's very interesting. Maybe it's a combination of our voices and some electronic listening device.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That creates some sort of gene mutation that then causes cancer.

Cristina: Yeah. And somehow relates to the 5G towers. Yes.

Jack: Well, it's similar to whatever the 5G towers are causing. It's not necessarily related to the 5G towers, but it's like whatever frequency they're causing, we're causing.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: The mixture of our voice frequencies and the electronic device that's projecting our voice.

Cristina: That's crazy. So this deer man hunts some children.

Jack: I mean, he's not hunting children.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, he's not hunting children. It just looks like he's hunting children.

Jack: No, it looks like he's trying to get somebody to listen to the show.

Cristina: If they know what he's doing. But he looks like he's hunting children.

Jack: I don't know. I'm not in their head.

Cristina: You're not in the children, or I guess whoever is looking at the children being chased by this man.

Jack: Yeah. Or the children. I don't. I have no idea what any. Like, I know he's chasing the children to get somebody to listen to the show. I'm not sure why I should think about anything else. Oh, I know. His intentions are pure and noble.

Cristina: Yes, but what do you think the children are thinking?

Jack: I don't know. Depends on the kid.

Cristina: You think any of them are like, yeah, he accidentally killed my friend. I should go listen to the show.

Jack: I think the kid who died died at random.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the woodsman would be totally distraught if he knew that that kid died. The kid must have died completely out of his sight. Nevertheless.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because, like, it must have been that the kid was running towards the woodsman and he felt like down a hole and hit his head and died or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the woodsman was running towards the other kids without seeing that there was somebody else was listening to the show. Because if he knew the other kid died, he's a good guy. He's not a bad guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He would just immediately go to help. He'd probably stop positive, like, he's a good guy. Just pause, stop the show and, like, call the cops or some s***.

Cristina: But he didn't see it happen.

Jack: Didn't see it happen.

Cristina: But did they see it happen?

Jack: They probably saw it happen. They don't think he killed the kid. No, they just know the kid died.

Cristina: That's crazy, though. Those are two crazy events happening one after another.

Jack: What's the other crazy event other than him dying?

Cristina: The guy with an axe running towards them?

Jack: Oh, I guess. But that's not like a guy trying to kill you. That's just a guy running towards you trying to get you to listen to.

Cristina: A show, but they don't know that it's just a guy with an Axe.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. If you saw a guy running towards you with an axe, you wouldn't just think he's trying to get you to listen to a podcast?

Cristina: No.

Jack: What are you gonna think? Why are you gonna think something crazy?

Cristina: Cuz that looks crazy.

Jack: Based on what? When have you experienced a guy running towards you with an axe being something dangerous?

Cristina: Well, he's covered in blood, so that's pretty scary.

Jack: Hunters, butchers, soldiers, all the time covered in blood.

Cristina: They don't go running towards normal people.

Jack: If somebody had a broken. Like there's a horrible accident somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And somebody survived, first thing they're gonna do is find the first person that can help or anybody who isn't involved and tell them.

Cristina: But this guy's running with a smile on his face.

Jack: Yeah, he's super excited.

Cristina: Exactly. That's even more scary.

Jack: Is it less scary than if somebody has a horrified look on their face running towards you with an axe?

Cristina: Well, if he's covered in blood, maybe that's more normal because, like, oh, some kind of accident did happen and that's why he looks so upset.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: While he's smiling, it's like he did something and he wants to, I don't know, do it again.

Jack: But why do you think. I mean, obviously he did something. But, like, who says it's something bad?

Cristina: The blood is just assumed.

Jack: It's just assumed. It's animal blood. You're in the worst.

Cristina: How do I know?

Jack: How do you know it's not?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Just assuming the worst.

Cristina: Yes. I saw the guy go missing. It could be his fault somehow.

Jack: What, the other kid?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why? You just saw the kid randomly fall.

Cristina: That's like. What's that show called? The Japanese Japan is thinking when the girl just fell. Oh, my God, she died.

Jack: That. That s*** scarred the f*** out of me, bro. That was the crate. Out of all the s*** that happened, that was the one that I was like. Because I didn't know what the f*** happened. It's like a moment of what?

Cristina: Yeah, I had to rewind it when I saw that. Yeah, but the dad's death was crazier. I don't know. I know they're equally crazy. I don't. It's hard to raise.

Jack: I don'. Yeah, it was totally unexpected. I truly believed this show was gonna be about the daughter and the father. But he's the first guy to die.

Cristina: Yeah, but I feel like, he was one of the first characters. Although I guess each member of the family was the first one of the first characters to be introduced, so you would think they were the ones to survive the whole thing. But no, just one person. No two people, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: We just spoiled the s*** out of this. For anybody listening. That's old spoilers after the fact. But the girl falling into the hole was a crazy one. Not even a hole. It was like a hill.

Cristina: It was just a hill. She was just running and she didn't even fall.

Jack: She just slid down there.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And then she's just thrown on the floor, collapsed. It's like, what the f*** happened? And you don't know what happened?

Cristina: No.

Jack: So nuts.

Cristina: But you know not to go there. That's horrifying. Yeah, man. The character, the main character was so close to die at that moment.

Jack: Character's pretty close. Dang.

Cristina: A lot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. That show was pretty epic.

Jack: Yeah. Anybody and everybody should f****** watch Japan Sinks.

Cristina: Yes. It gets a little weird with the whole psychic s***. Psychic, yes. Yes.

Jack: That got strange.

Cristina: It did get strange, but it's pretty epic otherwise. Otherwise, yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty badass show. But that being said about these kids, like, I think that's a problem people have where they do make assumptions all the time. They think that whatever initial thought they had makes sense. We have a problem of doing that in society.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And doesn't really make sense because you don't have, like, a basis for that. Like, what. What the f*** are really the odds?

Cristina: It's instincts. It's protecting us.

Jack: Is it, though? A lot of the time, instincts is why we do s*** that hurts other people. That guy runs towards you and gets close enough, you panic attack him.

Cristina: And he was innocent.

Jack: And he was innocent.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: So is it protecting you or is it harming other people?

Cristina: Maybe. Once upon a time, though, it was helping.

Jack: Yes. But now we have. We're having trouble of getting rid of these bugs or adjusting them because getting rid of it entirely, then that means we're always introduced to danger and we could easily be killed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we're having trouble adjusting them to the new world.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: That's also why societies are highly antisocial, because we don't know how to really, truly detect danger. We think everything is dangerous all the time.

Cristina: Yes, man. But there are a lot of dangerous things out there. I don't know.

Jack: The point of society is that everything isn't dangerous. I guess it's the protective bubble.

Cristina: We lost that society thing. That protective bubble, it's too big to be protective. No, no.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like the society is like really big.

Jack: Right. That means more safe.

Cristina: More safe. I feel like people are used to small bubbles that can protect them.

Jack: What's the average number of killers inside of a city? There's three million people.

Cristina: Three million people?

Jack: Yeah. Let's say New York City. Three million people?

Jack: Is there a thousand killers in that city?

Cristina: A thousand.

Jack: A thousand?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Probably not.

Cristina: How much do you think?

Jack: Way the f*** less. I would be blown the f*** away if there was a hundred killers. Like normally killing out in the open where you could see it happen and. Oh, well, it's dangerous.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Killers that you can legitimately say danger and know it's danger.

Jack: There's not really a lot. Why? Because we got cops. Because we have structure. We have cameras. We have too many people walking around. The number of people on average that are good that would just rat somebody doing some crazy s*** out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The society is protective inherently. So there's way more people that are way more safe. Now let's say you have a village of just 30 people. One of them is a killer.

Cristina: What though, Right?

Jack: How easy is it for that guy to just pick people out?

Cristina: Probably pretty easy.

Jack: Pretty f****** easy. So yeah, you have a smaller group, but you're way the f*** less safe. Yeah, way less safe. Especially if the killer is from within your community. If the killer is within the community in New York, how hard is it for him to take a life on average, based on the number of people. Right. The percentage of life he's taking is insignificant and he's likely to get caught quickly.

Cristina: Has there ever been a serial killer in New York?

Jack: There's been a couple.

Cristina: A couple? Yeah, it's New York.

Jack: But in the case of a small village, every life you take is a huge f****** percentage of the whole thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you also got way less chance of getting caught because every person you take is a significant decrease in people to hunt you down.

Cristina: Well, yeah.

Jack: So like a big society, definitely the way to go.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's inherently safe.

Cristina: Then what's wrong with people? Why are they so scared?

Jack: Because we haven't worked out the bullshit that's in our system from that time.

Cristina: When it was just 30 people.

Jack: Yeah. We still have instincts that were trying to get us to survive when there were f****** lions hidden in the bushes and s***. And anything we don't understand, we gotta be suspicious of anybody. We don't know.

Cristina: Everyone's become the lion.

Jack: Yeah, everybody's a lion.

Cristina: Well.

Jack: And so we still have that paranoia while traveling in the safest time ever.

Cristina: Mmm. But we can't all feel that way. I mean, maybe I feel that way, but there's gotta be a huge number of people that don't feel that way.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, you still have the thing, but the rational mind should compensate. So if you see a guy running towards you with an axe, although it's like, holy s***, this is weird and crazy.

Cristina: I should just be like, eh.

Jack: The consciousness thinking side of you should take over and be like. Like what are the odds really? It's probably just a huntsman or somebody who is out here doing something. I doubt. And there's more of us than there are of him where we just start running. If something crazy happened, we just all simultaneous attack. He can't beat all of us. But also we have no reason to attack. We'll just wait until he tries something stupid.

Cristina: Okay. And then if he just stops and then swings at us, that's when we do something.

Jack: Yeah. Then you know, but otherwise it's like, it's probably just a guy.

Cristina: Just a guy who.

Jack: Yeah. You don't have any reason to immediately panic.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: I guess the rational mind should always.

Cristina: Compensate the rational mind. I don't have that. It's so scary to imagine a man running towards you with a smile, covered in blood and a bleak. Holding an axe.

Jack: It's just about being level headed really. Just learn to be level headed in moments of high tension.

Cristina: How do you practice that?

Jack: By exercising your rational mind. Yeah. It's not that difficult. You just got to think more than you feel.

Cristina: Yeah. Because not everything is dangerous.

Jack: Not everything is dangerous. No.

Cristina: It reminds me of mermaids and mermands. Mermen, Merman and mermaids.

Jack: How does it remind you of mermaids?

Cristina: Because mermaids are seen as. Mermaids are dangerous. But mermands bring you luck actually. Or good luck. But if you think of it as a dangerous thing, you might hurt it.

Jack: A merman.

Cristina: A merman.

Jack: Why are mermaids evil and mermen not?

Cristina: Because I don't know what makes the difference. I don't know. Mermen want to give you mermen. Mermen work like genies.

Jack: I mean, I guess they kind of look like a genie, but instead of being like half ghost, it's like half fish.

Cristina: Yeah. And he grants you wishes if you find him. But mermaids want to drown you. For some reason they love murdering people.

Jack: Because mermaids are basically sirens, right?

Cristina: Yeah. And sirens are like the same as mermaids. Yeah, they like to kill fishermen and stuff. They like to sing, and the song that they sing usually ends up killing fishermen. I don't know why. I don't know if they eat these people or what they do with them, or they enjoy watching the dead bodies, like, float down, like some type of decoration.

Jack: What? There's no, like. I mean, they have to be doing something. It can't just be like we murder for fun. What the f*** are they? Dolphins?

Cristina: Yes. Maybe they are dolphins. Yes.

Jack: They're kind of like dolphins. Fair enough.

Cristina: They're the dolphins of. They're human dolphins.

Jack: I don't know what the f*** is a. Is a mermaid just what you. Because a dolphin is a mammal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is a mermaid a f****** chimera?

Cristina: What is chimera?

Jack: Chimera is like a hybrid animal.

Cristina: It doesn't have to be made through science or anything. Right. Or does it? I don't know what a chimera.

Jack: I'm just saying. Basically, some dude jumped into the ocean and f***** a dolphin.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or a dolphin who's more prone to raping.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Raped some chick. And the chick gave birth to a mermaid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that happened twice. And one of them was a merman. And then the mermaid. And the mermaid created their own species by f****** each other.

Cristina: By f****** each other. Yes. There's also these creatures called fin folk, which I assume are just mermaids with different names. And they like to have sex with people and that somehow keeps their life long.

Jack: They don't reproduce. They just f*** people and then they live longer.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. They just. Sex with humans equals longer life.

Jack: Interesting. I've never heard of fin folk.

Cristina: Yeah, that's in Scotland and Ireland.

Jack: Seems like they have all the things.

Cristina: They have all the things. But they say that if you practice the Bible, it'll stop the Finn folk from stepping on dry land.

Jack: What does practicing the Bible mean?

Cristina: I don't know. Reading the Bible, knowing what God is telling you, being a good Christian person.

Jack: Right. So if you're a good Christian, they won't bother you.

Cristina: Yes. That's the answer to most of these solutions of dealing with anything. Yes.

Jack: It seems like everything in Ireland was designed by the Catholic Church.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All of it. There's nothing that exists in Ireland. Isn't a real place. The Catholic Church made Ireland up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where we're at. They've made. So like every story that exists in this fictional place called Ireland came from f******. It's just another story.

Cristina: Ireland is a fictional location.

Jack: Ireland is like the Bible. It was just made up by the Catholic Church. Yes, that's where we are. That's. That's what I believe.

Cristina: Don't you know people from Ireland.

Jack: I've never been to Ireland. They probably convinced. I don't know if they. I don't know people in Ireland. I know people who think they've been to Ireland. And it's like people who've been to some of these other places. You could just be told the plane landed there, but there's no f****** such place. How do you know? You're not flying the plane and the guy flying the plane is a government shill.

Cristina: And what about the people of Ireland? Are they also.

Jack: There's nobody who's a person of Ireland. It's everybody being lied to that there's a place called Ireland.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But there's no such. There's no such place as Ireland. I refuse.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because the Catholic Church made it up.

Cristina: They didn't.

Jack: There's no such thing as Ireland.

Cristina: I don't know. There's an Irish saint, though, that traveled to look for the island of paradise, which. I'm not sure what the island of paradise is. I think that's where the Garden of Eve is hidden or something. Is it called Eve? The Garden of Eden? Of Eden, yes. That's probably where that's hidden. I don't know.

Jack: It's somewhere. It's either on an island or a section of Africa.

Cristina: Oh, okay. On his travel, he found the paradise of birds where there were birds singing and praising God.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yeah. And they told him to travel for seven years and then come back, and then he'll be holy enough to find the island of paradise.

Jack: So I'm so confused by that.

Cristina: Sorry, What? That he wanted to look for the island of paradise.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And he found a bird. Island of paradise for birds. And the birds were singing for God. And then I guess they told him, hey, in seven years, you'll be able to be holy enough to see the island.

Jack: So these were talking birds?

Cristina: Yeah, they were talking.

Jack: They found an island of birds that are kind of like Scooby Doo.

Cristina: Yes. No. Well, I don't know. They were singing and praising God. That's all they were doing.

Jack: Then how. Then who told him?

Cristina: A bird.

Jack: So it's a f****** talking bird?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Yes. They're talking birds.

Jack: This is an island of talking birds. Were they all parrots?

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: But then these parrots who haven't been introduced to society just knew English.

Cristina: Yes. They know the word of the Bible. Someone preached. There was a bird preacher preaching Bible. I mean, church stuff to the birds and they were all doing their church. He just happens to be there on Sunday.

Jack: It was a Sunday? I don't know, it probably was.

Cristina: It was a Sunday and they were just having their Bible lessons and he came and they were like, nah, you gotta wait seven years.

Jack: Kind of like Link.

Cristina: He had only seven years.

Jack: Yeah. He was too young to pull out the master sword or to use the master sword. So when he pulled the master sword, he got encompassed in the chamber of Sages. And then the sages told him, you are going to. It's going to be a blink of an eye to you. But seven years would have passed on the outside for you to be old enough to wield this sword. And when you get out, you're gonna be the right age, as if you aged. But it's gonna be like a. You're gonna be out there in a second, but you're gonna be an adult.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now you'll be able to wield a sword at that age.

Cristina: Wouldn't he be super weak and stuff like still have the strength of a child?

Jack: No, he's a grown man.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His body grew to that of a grown man.

Cristina: Yeah, but he wasn't doing anything. But he wasn't doing anything for that seven years. He was just standing there.

Jack: The sword gave him the power necessary to have the body.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It did everything as if he was in there bench pressing the whole time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is over here. He bench pressing.

Cristina: He wasn't starving to death at. When he.

Jack: No, he's wet. He's like ripped. He got out there cocky as anything.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And he had all the muscles and all the strength to do everything he had to do.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And he just walked out with the master sword and killed everything he had to kill effortlessly. And so sort of the same thing happened.

Cristina: He had a child's brain at least though.

Jack: Yes. That's the f***** up part, right? That's the part that blows my mind because like the date ages brain too. In which case it's not even the same person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's weird, right?

Cristina: I mean it would be an adult's brain, but no, the memories would all be still child memories. They didn't give him new memories of.

Jack: The experience was his own.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: He didn't implant anything. Which means by default, even in his mind he's still like 12.

Cristina: He's still 12 in a man's body.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just the body cannot wield a sword. But he's still an immature a** child.

Cristina: Yeah, but he was never immature either.

Jack: He was never immature. Interesting. He was particularly mature for his age.

Cristina: Ah, I guess that helps.

Jack: Yes. So maybe he already had a mind. Way ahead and in becoming a man. Right. He's immature, but not by much. If he's like 10 to 12, but his maturity is like 16, then you add seven years and he's like 19, but he's like 17. Maturity wise, he's not like far off. Yeah, so he's like still kind of where he needs to be. Maturity wise, he was centered enough from the two points that at his young age he was mature for his age. And at his grown age he was just slightly immature for his age. Yeah, but it wasn't like that.

Cristina: But all he needed was to be the right age to hold the sword.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Nothing else.

Jack: Nothing else. He needed to have a certain amount of strength and willpower. That was it.

Cristina: But he already had that.

Jack: Yeah, he had the willpower.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which is why he could pull the sword out in the first place.

Cristina: Yeah. And this guy needed to be holy enough for this island. I wonder what's on the island. It's probably. If it's like the bird island, then there's just saints who are singing and praising to God. So I don't know what's so interesting about finding the island.

Jack: There should be nobody on that island. Why the Garden of Eden?

Cristina: Well, if it's. Yeah, yeah. It was a story from another saint who found the island. First he found the island, he told him about it and then he went on the search.

Jack: But this other saint to found the island.

Cristina: What happened?

Jack: This other saint that found the island, what about him? That's what I'm asking. What about him?

Cristina: He found the island like.

Jack: But he must have stayed on the island if he left the island after he found it.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: It's still just an empty island.

Cristina: Empty island. Yeah, that's true.

Jack: It's just f******. Hey, there's an island.

Cristina: That's weird. I guess it's just an attraction. You find it and then you leave. Because he. After he found it, he left.

Jack: What do you want to do there alone?

Cristina: I don't know. There's something I don't get. What's the point? Seven years to see this island and then leave.

Jack: Well, in theory. In theory, the fruit of knowledge is there.

Cristina: So he eats the fruit and then you know, everything. And then you know. But the sad part is that once he gets home, he dies. That's how his story ends. But maybe that other guy who ate the fruit continues to live on.

Jack: And the other guy ate the fruit?

Cristina: I don't know. We're assuming that anyone who visits the islands eats the fruit.

Jack: So maybe the saint ate the fruit too. He got there, ate the fruit, left, and then f****** died.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe someone killed him. I think it was murder.

Jack: Could be. It could be that there are people just killing anybody who takes the fruit.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Hitmen from God.

Cristina: Hitmen from God? What? The Church is doing it.

Jack: The Church is doing it. Did the Church make up the island too?

Cristina: I don't know. But then why would they make up the story of the guy who found the island and then died in the end?

Jack: To find people who are seeking the truth and off them before they get to any other truth.

Cristina: Oh, it's a trap. It's a trap.

Jack: It's a trap by the church. It's like people who try to find Ireland kill them. You kill anybody who tries to find Ireland? It's not a real place. And you can't have anybody reporting that.

Cristina: Why? What about these magical creatures from Ireland?

Jack: Well, you need those stories to exist, so you can't have anybody tell anybody else. There's no island for that to even be true. So the Church needs to off anybody who finds out that these things are a lie. The same way there is no Garden of Eden. So when people go and they find the exact location and they do find this island and find out this is just a normal island.

Cristina: You think that's what he found?

Jack: Yeah, that's why they leave. It's not paradise. It's just a f****** island. And then they leave. And then the church is like, he knows.

Cristina: He knows. Whoa. Maybe he knows, man. But his journey besides that is pretty crazy. He saw a sea monster. There was a sea monster trying to attack the ship. And then God saved them by sending another sea monster to fight off that sea monster. Kills it.

Jack: Story of Godzilla is real.

Cristina: Yes. Godzilla. Okay. What would fight Godzilla? Or is Godzilla the one fighting?

Jack: Well, no, it's a giant. Yeah. Godzilla is like God's Zilla.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. The Kraken was attacking their ship and God's zilla. Godzilla came, fought it, killed it, then they ate the monster.

Jack: So everybody had, like, enough food forever. Yeah, it was like, a lot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In any case, Godzilla is a misinterpretation because it is g O D not dash hyphen S. Zilla. His name is Zilla.

Cristina: His name is Zilla.

Jack: He's not a Godzilla. He's Gods. Zilla?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God sent Zilla.

Cristina: Yes. He sent Zilla to fight off the sea monster. And then they Ate the sea monster because why wouldn't you eat.

Jack: Did they share some of it with Zilla as an offering?

Cristina: Probably. They couldn't eat that whole thing.

Jack: There's no f****** way. Right. And Zilla needs to eat before he goes back to whatever the f*** he was doing.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder what he's doing.

Jack: Just sleeping. He hibernates.

Cristina: He hibernates.

Jack: He waits until God tells him to do stuff.

Cristina: I'm sure he's singing and praising God like the birds.

Jack: Yes. In some underground Atlantis like place.

Cristina: Yes. Where the mermaids are.

Jack: Where the mermaids are. Well, the mermen.

Cristina: The mermen.

Jack: Only mermen. They're all gay for each other. And they hang out with Zilla while the mermaids are committing evil atrocities. Because women. That's what they do.

Cristina: That's what they do.

Jack: Women are just evil inherently.

Cristina: Because of Eve. Yes, because of Eve.

Jack: We're getting to. We're getting to this episode. We're getting to the bottom of things. All the pieces are coming together. Eve invented evil. Adam didn't touch the apple.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we know that a guy dolphin f*****, raped, raped some chick in the water and she gave birth to a half fish, half woman. And then this happened in two different instances. And then the other one was half man, half fish.

Cristina: In which they could have babies.

Jack: Yes. And then they found each other and, you know, typical relationship things. They f***, they had babies, but they were incompatible. He was like, man, she's kind of cruel and mean and like. We breaking up.

Cristina: Yes. So the other guys stay together. All the girls stay together.

Jack: Yeah. They did the south park thing where it's like these women are just murdering other humans. We love humans. We use our powers for good. They use the powers to lure them in and kill them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so they just broke up. Atlantis is just a bunch of gay mermen. And Zilla.

Cristina: And Zilla.

Jack: And they take their word directly from God because God has no beef against the men. God's only beef is women, which the Bible tells us. Yes, The Bible explicitly says, f*** women. You rape women, you kill women. You trade women like property. But men, you all good. All you. You didn't eat the apple. You guys could. You didn't f*** anything else.

Cristina: You're all holy.

Jack: You're all holy. You haven't sinned yet.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: And we know this. That's why all the priests get the pass.

Cristina: That's why all. Yes.

Jack: That's why all the priests get the pass. You guys didn't f*** up at the beginning, so now you get to pass the f*** up as much as you want. It's been millions of years. You guys can do whatever you want.

Cristina: Only those nuns that help them out get punished.

Jack: Yes, only the nuns. Any nun does anything, you're going straight to h***. All the priests can do whatever they want. And no matter what God's like, you did good for so long.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could do whatever you want while.

Cristina: The nuns go crazy and cry like cats.

Jack: Yes. And bite people.

Cristina: And bite people.

Jack: And each other.

Cristina: And each other.

Jack: The nuns are going crazy, nuns are going crazy, priests. Now you get to do whatever you want. God approves.

Cristina: That's so crazy. Another crazy story is that they saw a griffin and a bird fight each other and the griffin died.

Jack: What was the size of this bird?

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: What the f***.

Cristina: It was a parrot from that island.

Jack: Right. Just all the powers of God given to it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: That parrot showed up. I mean, is a griffin a demon at this point?

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: And it's like that bird showed up and because it could say, the power of Christ compels you. That griffin just went down, all its magic gone, boom, Flat into the ground.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That parrot. Power of Christ compels.

Cristina: Yeah, that's exactly how it sounded like.

Jack: Yup.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What an epic battle.

Jack: It was so short, too.

Cristina: It was so short.

Jack: It was the shortest, most epic battle. That griffin was doing crazy flight maneuvers and the parrot was fighting all sloppy the way they do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the griffin was about to attack.

Cristina: And then all the parrot did was.

Jack: Say, the power of Christ compels you. What the is a griffin? It's like the head of an eagle. The body of, like, a lion and the wings of, like, a bird.

Cristina: I mean, I. I would think. Wait, the head of a what?

Jack: Wait, is it the head of an eagle? There's some creature that's like the head. No, it's the head of a lion. Right. The body of a horse and the.

Cristina: Wings of an eagle and the tail of a snake. I don't know.

Jack: Snake.

Cristina: What? It's mostly an eagle with the body, I guess, the. It's like half eagle, half lion.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is that the best way to say.

Jack: That we're looking at the head of an eagle with like the. The mane of a lion or around its neck area. The body of a lion and the tail of lion. But the wings of the eagle, it's. It's a chimera between an eagle and a lion.

Cristina: Yeah. That's pretty epic looking.

Jack: It's like a. If you had an eagle Pokemon and it evolved, it Would evolve into a f****** griffin.

Cristina: That would be awesome. And it lost to a parrot. That's crazy, man.

Jack: A griffin looks hardcore. What do you think would win a fight between a griffin and a pegasus?

Cristina: A pegasus.

Jack: Pegasus has magic on his side, bro.

Cristina: And griffins don't.

Jack: I don't know. I think a griffin is just a creature.

Cristina: Oh, and what was the other creature you said?

Jack: Pegasus.

Cristina: Pegasus. Are you sure Pegasus have magic?

Jack: No, I think that's also a creature. I think the only one who has a creature is a unicorn. I think a unicorn will off both of these easily.

Cristina: Because it has magic.

Jack: Because it's magic. Like a unicorn still flies, but also it has no f****** wings. It's just like raw magic.

Cristina: It has to be magic.

Jack: It has to be magic. It's just raw magic. Meanwhile, a griffin and a pegasus are just creatures.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Maybe unicorns have invisible wings.

Jack: That'd be interesting. That would be magic.

Cristina: That would be magic.

Jack: Okay, this doesn't matter. It's all just magic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No matter how you look at a unicorn, it's magic.

Cristina: It's gotta be magic. Okay, so the unicorn wins, though.

Jack: Yeah, the unicorn wins by default. So the real argument would be a pegasus and a griffin. I would argue the griffin wins. Right. Because the pegasus is still just a f****** horse with wings. While this is like the predator of the sky and the predator of the ground just fuse into the most hardcore s*** that has ever existed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like, pretty much anything that fights a griffin is f*****.

Cristina: How about a dragon?

Jack: What's. How far off is a griffin from a dragon?

Cristina: I don't think griffin has firepower.

Jack: Fair. Fair. So we would say in the animal, in the, like, mythological creature. Tier.

Cristina: Tier, yeah.

Jack: It goes from dragon to griffin, then Pegasus.

Cristina: Where does Godzilla fit?

Jack: Well, Godzilla, like, is a dragon. Godzilla's a dragon. He's just an oversized dragon.

Cristina: Yeah. With no wings.

Jack: With no wings. So arguably worse than a dragon. Depending on the size of the dragon. If we're looking at, like, medieval dragon, like the western version of a dragon. Right. If we're looking at the western version of a dragon.

Cristina: How big are they?

Jack: We're talking the size of, like, a small building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not huge the way, like, God, like, Godzilla could stomp on one of those m************ easily.

Cristina: Like a house, maybe.

Jack: Like. Like a traditional current size house.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like four of those put next to each other.

Cristina: Is a dragon.

Jack: Is a dragon. Including wingspan. Like, its body alone. Like, its body alone is probably the size of a house with its wingspan Being the size of maybe like four houses put in a row.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: While Godzilla could stomp that s*** out. Easy.

Cristina: Okay, so Godzilla's on top of the list.

Jack: Yeah, Godzilla's on top of the list. Unless we're talking like some monstrous f****** ridiculous Godzilla sized dragon. That's crazy. And I don't know why that there's no f****** movie about that.

Cristina: A Godzilla sized dragon. Dude, isn't that Chinese dragon huge? The really long dragon?

Jack: You mean like the one from Dragon Ball Z?

Cristina: Yeah, he's really long and really big.

Jack: Well, Shenron is so f****** big you could see him from space. Yeah, like you could be off of earth and just see Shenron if he summoned. That's how big Shenron is. He doesn't count.

Cristina: He doesn't count.

Jack: Unless we're like going into these detailed dragons, in which case what's bigger? Shenron or the world serpent?

Cristina: I would think they're both the same size.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: Because they both wrap around the world, right?

Jack: Not Shenron. Shenron comes right out of the the dragon balls and floats over them to grant you the wish before he goes back to sleep.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I don't know. Okay, so this says that Shenron is not so astronomically large as to wrap around the planet. He's smaller than like a city.

Cristina: That's a. That's the size of the castle they compare him to.

Jack: Yes. Not. Well, even the castle is not the size of a city.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But he's roughly like castle's huge and Shenron is roughly the size of this huge castle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While the world serpent can wrap around the f****** planet.

Cristina: Yes, that's why that's humongous. Right?

Jack: Yes. So size wise, we begin at the world snake. For sure there isn't s*** bigger. He's limit. Just the limit of it. He's as big as any mythological creature gets the world serpent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then we go to Shenron and then we get to Godzilla.

Cristina: Okay, but when it comes to fight, can Shenron or the world serpent. Actually the world serpent can fight because he fights. What's his name? He fights Thor in the end, right? Yeah. So he can put up a fight.

Jack: Yes, but against Godzilla, the world serpent would one shot him? Yes, yes, because Thor would one shot Godzilla.

Cristina: Yeah. Shenron, can he fight?

Jack: Shenron is pure magic and he can do whatever the f*** he wants. Okay, so size is not a problem here.

Cristina: He's got magic.

Jack: He's got magic. Shenron could one shot both Thor and the world serpent. Cuz magic. So power wise, Shenron is The limit. Shenron could bring the entire Earth back just because you asked him to.

Cristina: Yeah. And isn't there a bigger snake that I'm. I guess, magical Shenron version of Shenron, you know?

Jack: Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about. The one you're talking about is Super Shenron from Dragon Ball. Super who is. Who s****. He s**** on. He s**** on the size of the f****** World Serpent by such a ridiculous margin. The World Serpent would be missed. Like, Super Shenron wouldn't see him from how small it is by comparison.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Super Shenron is 57 billion light years.

Cristina: I don't even understand how we could imagine the size of that.

Jack: We'd see him from most places in the universe.

Cristina: We would just. We would all see him.

Jack: We would all see him. Like, if he's summoned, it doesn't matter where in the universe we are. He's bigger than everything else in the sky.

Cristina: He's so big, though, that. Would we be inside him? Would everything be inside him? Because he's humongous. Like, where is he? Would he be away from us? Or we all just automatically be in him because he's so freaking big.

Jack: That's weird, right? He would. But no, he would coil in such a way that he. Because he's. He would dodge everything. I guess he would just be so.

Cristina: He is magical.

Jack: He's magical. Yeah. But that's another thing. Holy crap. That's another thing. Not only is he so absorbently big that he's 57 billion light years in size, but it's pure magic.

Cristina: But he's pure magic.

Jack: More pure magic than Shenron. So even if Shenron is smaller than the World Serpent and more overpowered, Super Shenron would smack the crap out. Like, Super Shenron can't see. He doesn't know Shenron exists.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That's like some afterthought at best.

Cristina: You think he can see the World Serpent? Or is that too small?

Jack: Too small? Too small. We're talking that this guy is the size of many. It's. What is it, four light years? Four light years. Just four. From here to our nearest star, Alpha Centauri.

Cristina: He's that big. Yeah. He's from here to.

Jack: Wait, is Alpha Centauri the closest star? It is. Right. Is that a galaxy?

Cristina: That is not.

Jack: I think Alpha Centauri is a star. Right. Because Andromeda is the galaxy. Got it. So Alpha Centauri is the closest star, and it's four billion light years. I mean, four light years, not billion. It's just four Light years away. Think about how far away in size this guy is.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Even if we. Even if Shenron, Super Shenron was just the distance of Earth to Alpha Centauri, that would be so magnificently large in our sky that it would compensate for everything else. No, Super Shenron is 57 billion light years in size.

Cristina: But what does that even mean, light years in size?

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: How many light years is our observable universe in size?

Cristina: What if he's bigger than that?

Jack: That's crazy. So the observable universe according to God, which is Google, is 93 billion light years.

Cristina: He's more than half.

Jack: He's more than half of the size of the observable universe. We would see Super Shenron from anywhere in the universe encompassing the majority of the universe.

Cristina: Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Jack: He would be so big in our sky. We couldn't tell that we're looking at him.

Cristina: No, he would just. What would he look like?

Jack: The sky would just turn yellow because he's golden. So the sky would just look gold and we wouldn't know that we're looking at him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's how big he is. It would just look like the sky just turned gold. The end. Well, meanwhile, we're looking at Shenron. Super Shenron.

Cristina: That's ridiculous.

Jack: So tier size, he wins him by like, there's nothing bigger.

Cristina: There's nothing big.

Jack: Like, it's questionable. Yeah, it's questionable that God is bigger. Like actual God might be smaller than Mega Shenron. Super Shenron.

Cristina: Well, if God's the size of like the God from Dragon Ball Z, he's very tiny.

Jack: Oh, yeah, it could totally be the case. Like Zeno is way smaller.

Cristina: Or little boy, I guess, is his size.

Jack: Yeah. So it would go the, the, the tier here is Super Shenron, then miles away. Miles away. The world serpent the size of just measly planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we get to Shenron, size of just like a big a** building, actually. Well, it's a huge. It's ridiculously huge building. That's the problem. It's bigger than Godzilla.

Cristina: It's bigger than Godzilla.

Jack: It's bigger than Godzilla. Shenron is bigger than Godzilla. Then Godzilla and whatever monsters Godzilla fights. My question is, is the Norse mythology giants the size of Godzilla or are they smaller than Godzilla And I actually think they're smaller than Godzilla.

Cristina: Are you sure? Please remember that footprint of the horse? That horse has to be huge.

Jack: The horse had to be huge.

Cristina: That's one footprint of an eight legged horse.

Jack: Yeah, but like a Godzilla footprint People could just go inside of it.

Cristina: So can they go inside of his footprint? The magical horse's footprint?

Jack: Are we thinking that the horse is bigger than Godzilla, though?

Cristina: Yes. No. Maybe the same size? No, but longer.

Jack: They're in the ballpark. They're in the ballpark.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're in the ballpark of size. I think Shenron would beat them in size.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it'd be Shenron, Godzilla, and all these other mythological things from Norse mythology. And then we have all the smaller things.

Cristina: Yes, fair. That's crazy. But then how did the people sailing sea Godzilla fight this creature? Like, that's got to be crazy to see. I mean, how do you not die if you can see it? Unless it's happening from far away. It could be.

Jack: It could be that you're getting attacked by the Kraken, which is also huge as f***. Yeah, but the Kraken, like, compared to size, like, Godzilla could just b**** smack that s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So Godzilla just comes, rips it out, like, snaps. It's f******. I guess it has no bones to snap, but it could just, like, crush it to death. And then you guys just eat this giant kraken.

Cristina: Yeah, but the way they. Their bodies are moving in the water, I feel like it just destroy the boat.

Jack: The way just Godzilla coming out of the water would create tidal waves exactly like these.

Cristina: This event has to have happened super far away.

Jack: So Godzilla popped up the crack inside, and it's like, fight time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they still got, like, a crazy wave coming. So Godzilla instantaneously won, and they angled their ship in such a way that it just, like, cruised with a wave.

Cristina: Yes, because how else would they survive that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's ridiculous. The size of Godzilla and then I guess all the other creatures, like the. The Griff. Way smaller. Those are like babies compared.

Jack: They're so small. A griffin, wingspan included. Maybe a little bit bigger than a room.

Cristina: That's so pretty. I guess compared to us, it's big.

Jack: But compared to humans, it's big. But, like, Godzilla, stomp that s*** out. Yeah, so, like, in the. In the fight between a Griffin and a Pegasus, whatever. Who cares? The griffin is gonna win. But Griffin versus Godzilla, One shot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Godzilla needs to fight, like, Norse creatures or the Titans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, from, like, Greek mythology.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then all of them will get one shot by Shenron. Actually, even the world serpent, which is way the f*** bigger than Shenron, will get one shot by Shenron. But it's magic. Which then brings up an interesting point. What could a unicorn, one Shot the World Serpent. Because. Also magic. I feel like it's also a tier of magic. Right.

Cristina: There could be a tier of magic.

Jack: Like, the unicorn doesn't have, like, unfathomable magic abilities. It's like, you know, has magic, but it's not, like, impossibly magical.

Cristina: Yeah, it can't be. If we learned anything from our other episode about. I don't really remember what it was about, but that the Force and using the Force to do magic, if you abuse it, you'll die.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So the unicorns, they wouldn't abuse the magic.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: If they're using the same force.

Jack: So we're saying the Force is equal to magic. Yes, because in the case of all these other people, they have abilities that they're channeling.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it wasn't like magic. It was like they're really channeling just this energy. Yeah, but Shenron is doing some whole other s***. He can make anything happen.

Cristina: Yeah, but he's getting it from the same place everyone else is getting it from.

Jack: Or is he one of the sources of it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, is he the embodiment of the Force?

Cristina: He could be.

Jack: And Super Shenron is, like, the biggest focus of that energy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they aren't abusing it or using it.

Cristina: No, they aren't.

Jack: They are it.

Cristina: Yeah, but a unicorn is using it.

Jack: A unicorn is using it, but in.

Cristina: This kind of the same way that Transformers are using it. Like, it's born in them. Yeah, they're not training for it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, they're not. They're not. But then again, it could just be channeling it.

Cristina: Or channel.

Jack: But I don't know. It feels like a unicorn isn't thinking about using magic. It's just, like, natural. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, no Transformers. Like, oh, I got a train and trans. No, you just can do it.

Cristina: Yeah. It's supernatural. Unless there is. We don't know what a baby Transformer looks like. What if they're training?

Jack: Well, there's a whole. There's no baby Transformer. There is a planet that is a machine that pumps out Transformers.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The planet itself is pumping out.

Jack: The planet itself is a robot. What? Okay, so referring to back to our noble God Google, the Transformers are a species of sentient, living robotic beings originating from the distant machine world, Cybertron. The stories of their lives, their histories, and most especially their wars have been chronicled across many different continuities in the vast multiverse. So Cybertron is where they come from. How are they made? It just, like, spits them out.

Cristina: It Says that a computer made them. Their bodies were forged by a plasma energy chamber and given intelligence by the mega computer Vectas Sigma. So their planet has a computer in it. I mean, their planet is a machine already.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: With a computer in it that's pumping out robots.

Jack: Wow, there's just so many doors just opened. So in the area of size of creatures, Cybertron is bigger than Godzilla as well, and actually bigger than Shenron. And technically. Technically, also bigger than the World Serpent.

Cristina: Cybertron.

Jack: Yes, because the World Serpent wraps around the world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But isn't as thick. So the Cybertron is, in theory, more mass overall.

Cristina: Yeah, I would imagine that it would be bigger than Earth anyway because it holds all these robots. Like, it's got to be a huge.

Jack: Like, the robots are big themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: I don't even know where to start.

Jack: Okay, okay, for everybody, we just took an intermission to learn everything there was to learn about Transformers. So let's go back real quickly. The Transformers were made by a planet that was a machine. The planet was made by this bigger robot thing in order to pump out robots to fight some other planet that was also pumping out robots, apparently. And so this thing was made by yet another bigger, greater robot. And then that robot that kind of seems to be God was made by something called the one who's just God.

Cristina: Yes. God made two robots. Well, he made one robot, and then he made another robot from that robot.

Jack: Which was his twin.

Cristina: Which was his twin. So one was a good twin, was the evil twins. He began with the Eve.

Jack: Yes, he began with the evil twin, and then he made the good twin. So the argument is God made man, like regular biological life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And also mechanical life.

Cristina: He only knows how to do it the same way. That's so crazy. Yeah, it's the same exact way he did human mankind.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: That's so lazy.

Jack: I recommend. Oh, crap. We're probably gonna do a whole episode about this history.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, we have to. We just ended up talking about it, and we're totally, like, out of time.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So. So we're probably gonna do an episode on Transformers, breaking down the entire history and how, like, we're gonna. We're gonna explain how God and robots relate. That's gonna happen.

Cristina: It's gonna happen.

Jack: Okay, now, the interesting part about this entire episode is that the guy with the axe could one off everybody. He's the only one who could one shot Super Shenron with his lucky ax.

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't think so.

Jack: You don't think so.

Cristina: He's an average guy. He's a guy can't even carry a deer.

Jack: He's. He totally can't.

Cristina: So I don't know how he's strong enough to do that.

Jack: I guess the argument is, is he better than. Could he want. Could he off the Pegasus or the Griffin? He could probably off the Pegasus, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Could he off the Griffin. The Griffin's fast. It's dangerous. It's aligned.

Cristina: It got killed by a parrot, so I guess he can.

Jack: D***. D***. Yeah, fair enough. You right. You right. You got that. Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this episode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You can find, I guess, other episodes about completely random, unrelated, strung together things.

Cristina: Like the Transformers, which just happened. Yeah.

Jack: So you guys can totally do that. Go find those episodes.

Cristina: And on this episode, listen to the last episode. It was a great episode.

Jack: Yeah. And you can find all that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe rate. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. This is exactly how it began. A guy sharing with the kindness of his heart, the show and then it turned out to be a show in which we find out a bunch of things, including the fact that women are evil.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.

Jack: Mermaids happened because of dolphin raped people.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: As usual. As expected, you know, as dolphins do.

Cristina: Yeah. So they can live longer.

Jack: They can live longer. It happens. And Griffins vs. Pegasus, equal fight or relatively closer than Parrot vs. Griffin, in which a parrot easily wins thanks to.

Cristina: The power of God.

Jack: Thanks to power of God. Also Godzilla. We've had that wrong this whole time. His name is Zilla. He's gods.

Cristina: He's Godzilla. Yeah.

Jack: Godzilla beat the Kraken that was attacking the sailors who were in the first place on the sea, probably trying to survive. Mermaids.

Cristina: And they're also fictional because they come from Ireland, which is also fictional.

Jack: Yeah, Ireland never happened. And neither did the Garden of Eden. And that's all invented by the church who's killing anybody who finds out. Yes, but we work for the Illuminati, so we're protector.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why we're sharing you with. That's why we're sharing this with you. Yeah.

Jack: So that you know you're all going to be killed.

Cristina: Yeah. By the church or by the cancer.

Jack: That you got by listening to the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This. That nice little summary.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: But is there things like that in other.

Jack: Yes. Politics.

Cristina: They have dress. They dress up.

Jack: Not the dressing thing, but the weird traditions. Like when they did that book thing that they walked the book across the thing in a specific way, and then the news was covering how it got walked down the. Let's just take it. It's a f******. Just walk it down the g****** hallway. What are you talking about, a book?

Cristina: Yeah, the Bible.

Jack: No, it was like a set of rules or something for the President to sign or some s***. And then everybody stood in line in a certain way and they walked this sheet of paper to him. Yeah. In a. In like a order of some sort, like. Like soldiers or some s***. They did it in a weird, specific kind of way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very traditional, very ritualistic. And walked it over to the chamber it had to be in with everybody standing where they had to be standing or whatever.

Cristina: Yes. Any tradition looks very strange if you don't know the reason for it.

Jack: Even if you know the reason for it. Why is it still in play?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because what purpose does that serve now?

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 136: He-Man's Transforming Power

What exactly are He-Man’s abilities? And what is the source of his power? Does anyone else have access to this same power source? The duo unpack the power of He-Man and The Force in their attempt to connect pure light and energy to the abilities and powers of superheroes and superhumans!

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  • Mild Power Upgrades
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  • Star Wars
  • The Force
  • Superman
  • Transformers
  • Dragon Ball Z
  • God
  • Addicted to the Force

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas and guess what? In childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit us subscribe button to get notified the second new episode release.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to find yourself a listening partner. Anybody, anywhere at all. You choose the powers in your hands. You have the power or I have the power. Which is what he man says.

Cristina: He says I have the power. He says, you have the power.

Jack: The power. And then he becomes he man. Cuz he's a skinny, scrawny little b****.

Cristina: He is.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then I thought he was always he man.

Jack: No, he has like a sword or something that turns him into not a b****.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Oh, see, that's a proof right there.

Cristina: He's not scrawny.

Jack: He's way smaller.

Cristina: He's smaller. Yeah. Yes. But it's like regular giant muscles becoming even bigger muscles. Like, it's not a huge transformation.

Jack: It's. He's a wide shouldered, non muscular man who then gets hit by lightning or something.

Cristina: And then he's got muscles. He definitely has muscles. Not as big as his transformation muscles, but he still has muscles.

Jack: You think he's muscular? You think he's like a. Because he's wearing like a pink. Like a car. A cardigan. Like a pink cardigan. He's like Fred. Like Fred from Scooby Doo.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. But he still has those big b***.

Jack: Muscles, like exercise t******.

Cristina: Yeah, he definitely works out.

Jack: I wonder what like muscular men think about that.

Cristina: About he man?

Jack: No, about me saying that they're exercise t******.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because like that's what they got. They got exercise t******. Man b****.

Cristina: Their man b****.

Jack: They're moobs.

Cristina: Moves. Yes, they're moobs.

Jack: They're moobs. And like men. Men got a bunch of men got moves. There are muscle man b**** and there's fat man b****. But both are moobs. Yeah, it's like the guys who have the muscle man b**** are like, yeah, I'm so manly. And then they make fun of the guy who has fat man b****. But it's like you both got t***, bro.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're pointing at his t*** and making fun of the fact that he has t***. But also, like, you got t***, bro.

Cristina: You could probably move those t*** around.

Jack: Yeah. You're so in tuned with your t***, you can at will move your t*** around.

Cristina: That's pretty.

Jack: You're more in tune with your t*** than women are with theirs. What? What is that?

Cristina: He Man's power. He becomes. He's able to move anything on his body. Like, what is his power?

Jack: I don't. What the f***? He just. I don't know. He just becomes like, Hercules, I guess. He's just like, I'm a normal guy. Then I got the power. Now I got, like, slightly better than average strength.

Cristina: And the sword.

Jack: And the sword.

Cristina: Although he could probably have a sword already. Like, I guess. This one's magical. It does things. Maybe.

Jack: Does the sword have powers? I don't know the story of He Man. We might have to do like a whole episode on He Man.

Cristina: All right. Because I know nothing.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know crap about He man either.

Cristina: How do we bring up He Man?

Jack: How do we bring up He man, what do you mean?

Cristina: Where did he come from? How is he here now?

Jack: I was telling the listeners they have the power.

Cristina: Oh, like He Man. Okay.

Jack: Yes. To choose who listens to the show. The way he man has the power to become slightly more muscular. And presumably a tiny bit probably unread. Like something that doesn't even register on a meter. If you tried stronger than he was.

Cristina: Before, maybe a tiny bit smarter. Like, I'm assuming it's not just his muscles. What if it's other things too?

Jack: What if all his powers are, like, a mild increase?

Cristina: Yeah. So it's like a little faster.

Jack: Yeah. Like, my IQ was 100 before. Now it's 103.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, okay, he man. I see. Technically, I can't argue that you're better than you were.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, anything helps, I guess.

Cristina: But he's not really superhuman. He's just better. Super him, I guess.

Jack: Not even like, super him. He's like, slightly better him. Slightly.

Cristina: Slightly better Helm. Yeah.

Jack: It's like, before I could bench press 200. Now I can bench press 210. No extra exercise.

Cristina: He has to have more than that. He's gotta have other superpowers. We just don't know his superpowers yet. But I'm sure he has something that makes him super besides his muscles.

Jack: All right, all right, fair enough. Fair enough. So let's. With no knowledge on he man, we don't have a single shred of an idea other than basic things. We know there's a place called Skull Mountain and there's a guy like a skull looking thing.

Cristina: The bad guy?

Jack: Yeah. I don't know if that's a mask he has or if that's like his f****** face or what's happening here.

Cristina: Yeah, I have no idea.

Jack: But like I'm. I'm pretty sure, I'm pretty sure we can piece together what this is about if we just use the tiny little shreds we have now based on what we saw in that photo. He has a pink shirt, he said, but like not an ancient pink shirt. He looks like a normal dude.

Cristina: I don't know. He looks medieval.

Jack: Fair enough. He could be medieval, but like when he turns into he man, he looks like way before medieval. Yeah, he looks like some caveman type of s***. So his powers to become barbaric.

Cristina: Okay, maybe. I don't know. His. His clothing change makes no sense to me. It's like less clothes to protect him. I mean it protects him, but not even his body.

Jack: Like you. Come on, let's be real. You think a stupid cardigan is gonna protect them? Against what?

Cristina: Nothing, I guess. But his whatever. His new clothes isn't doing anything because.

Jack: He'S kind of naked.

Cristina: Yes. It's like this is his sex clothes or something. Like, I don't know.

Jack: And it kind of is because he has like leather straps on or something.

Cristina: Really? That's what it look.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like he's getting ready to like, I have the power to be a dominatrix or something.

Cristina: Okay. Is that his power?

Jack: I don't know. Cuz doesn't look like he like a lot changes. And again, because doesn't look like a lot changes. We're assuming he's like just slightly better than average.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So like situation arrives. Right. He man is like, I don't know how to park here. This parking is too small.

Cristina: Is there parking? They have horses.

Jack: Yeah. He's gonna park his horse in reverse and he's like, I don't fit in this sequence of like horses that are following one another for whatever reason. And I need to squeeze my horse tactically in between that horse in the front and that horse in the back.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I'm gonna somehow get my horse in the middle, but I can't, my horse is too big or whatever.

Jack: And then he pulls out his sword and he's like, I have the power. And like lightning hits him or whatever. Now he's half N and he's like, ah. If I Turn the steering, the whatever. What do you call the saddle? Not the saddle. The strap thing that you control the horse with.

Cristina: The steering.

Jack: Yes, the horse's steering wheel. If I turn the horse's steering wheel just enough, I can squeeze in perfectly fine, and then boom, problem solved.

Cristina: Wait, when he changes, lightning happens?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Does it kill the horses around him fast?

Jack: You know what? It's time for an investigation. Let's see that pulled up. All right, let's see what this looks like. Did he just shoot lightning off of us? What happened?

Cristina: He turned his cat into cat. An armored cat.

Jack: Thus goes the story of he man.

Cristina: How did he not kill it? So that's not lightning.

Jack: It's not lightning. It's power. It's the power. It's the power that he has.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, he has. He told us. He straight out told us he has the power.

Cristina: Grayskull or something.

Jack: By the power of Grayskull.

Cristina: What is Grayskull?

Jack: It's a mountain.

Cristina: Is it the mountain where the bad guy lives?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: No, that doesn't make sense. So the bad guy's giving him his.

Jack: Power or he's stealing the bad guy's power. Is he man at the back? Is he man the bad guy here?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Is he man stealing some s*** that doesn't belong to him and the other guy's just kind of trying to get.

Cristina: It back and the power is just transforming things. It could be him, but it could be others things.

Jack: But now I'm conflicted about what this power really does because it made him a little less gay or arguably a little more gay.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the only other reference point we have is that he shot this, like, jizzy magic onto his, like, panther or some s***. Was a tiger?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: And then the tiger got less gay or arguably more gay.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it might or might not be making them gayer. And there's no way to really know.

Cristina: It's just protecting them. It's not really protecting him because it.

Jack: Made him have less armor. Or I guess he didn't have armor, so it took away the cushion between him and, like, a sword slash.

Cristina: Why doesn't he just wear normal armor? I don't understand.

Jack: Because he thinks he's a female in video games or something. I don't know.

Cristina: Right. So, okay, let's assume his armor protects him. So then it's just a magic power to bring armor.

Jack: Well, his cat has armor. His cat is safe as anything. Yeah, he clearly doesn't.

Cristina: We have to assume he's as safe as the cat.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because what is the point? It has to be to protect him like it protects the cat.

Jack: Why? I'm thinking he just gets. Why can't it be that he gets stronger slightly?

Cristina: No, no. I'm now convinced it's just to shield people with armor.

Jack: On the flip side, when he's parking his horse and he asked for the power, he didn't kill all the horses.

Cristina: No. They just are all covered in horse armor.

Jack: Yes, they all just became armored horses. And he's slightly smarter to park his horse. But also the parking got smaller.

Cristina: It did.

Jack: Because now all the horses have armor. Double edged sword.

Cristina: So he did not become smarter if that was his plan.

Jack: Well, he was average IQ before he did it. Maybe he does the I have the.

Cristina: Power thing and then he realizes what mistake he did.

Jack: Yeah, that 3 IQ is like, oh, I probably shouldn't have done this because now this for a fact doesn't fit. I now see how it would have fit. But also now factually it doesn't fit because there's more armor behind me, in front of me. And my horse is also bigger. So it got. Everything got tighter overall. Even if I know how it would.

Cristina: Have fit before, how does this make sense?

Jack: The question is, does he have the power to turn it on and off? Can he do it then turn it off and boom, all the horses lose their armor. And now does he retain the information and he can use at the park, I'm assuming?

Cristina: No.

Jack: So he just loses like if even if he knew, he transforms backwards and boom, it just left him?

Cristina: Yes. No, I guess not. But then like if that. I don't know. It's complicated. Like, what's the difference of him losing his clothes once the magic is away and him losing the memories? I feel like the memories will stay, but the clothes shouldn't. I don't know.

Jack: Like that's weird. Is he just gonna have clothes? Suddenly I get the clothes, like burning off or disappearing or whatever. And then you go about your day as he man. Did he have a name before he man? Whatever.

Cristina: Prince something.

Jack: Right? It has to be, right?

Cristina: Prince Adam, I think I read. Really like that? I don't know.

Jack: Cool. He's a prince though, this prince dude who somehow. What is he? That guy who pulled the sword from the rock?

Cristina: No, that's Arthur.

Jack: Arthur?

Cristina: Arthur.

Jack: Is he like the cartoon version of Prince Arthur?

Cristina: Yes, why not?

Jack: Pulls a sword out and then he's not Prince Arthur, but he's definitely he man. And what the h*** does that mean? It's like Guy dude.

Cristina: I guess he became more of a man. He is.

Jack: He was just Prince, but now he's not just a he. He is also a he who's a man.

Cristina: He wasn't a man before.

Jack: He was a he boy.

Cristina: He boy? Yeah.

Jack: He went from he boy to he man. That's his power.

Cristina: But what makes him more of a man? How? Shirtless, muscular, muscles bigger, make you more man.

Jack: Maybe it makes him braver too. Okay, so before he's like, oh, I'm too scared to park this horse. But then he doesn't. He's like, I'm confident now and I can easily park this horse.

Cristina: I don't know. I need to see this show. I don't know if he's actually any of these things or he's just a normal. Like, there's no difference. If you saw him before the powers and after the powers, there's completely nothing has changed except he's a little more muscular and he has protection.

Jack: And like, who's the bad guy and why?

Cristina: You said a skeleton, dude.

Jack: Yeah, I'm not sure if that's like what he look is. He is like walking, talking skeleton from Skull Mountain. Is it his mountain? Is he like the guardian of the mountain? Or does he wear a skull because he lives in the mountain? Like, is he a skull or is he wearing a skull?

Cristina: If there's magic, he could be a skeleton.

Jack: And he man is just stealing his magic then with the sword that probably belongs to that skeleton?

Cristina: Maybe. Yeah, maybe he stole this sword from him. Who knows, man?

Jack: Is there like an origin as to how the f*** he.

Cristina: Or he took it from the rock? If you think he's like Arthur.

Jack: D***. And then what would the conflict even be? He's the bad guy, Then it's the freaking. The skeleton's trying to get the sword back. Yeah, he's trying to reclaim his property because his powers. I was protecting it for who knows how long. It's too dangerous to fall into the hands of normal people. And then this troll popped up and took it. And now he just has the power to give random armor.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe he regular villains just want to destroy the world for no reason in those cartoons. So probably.

Jack: So then the argument here would be the guy at Skull Mountain at Grayskull. One of those two names is correct. I know he said Grayskull, but is Skull Mountain called Grayskull?

Cristina: If there maybe there's two different mountains that have skull in the name.

Jack: Like every mountain in this universe is just a giant skull.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he happened to go to the one with the sword.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or he. No. Or he stole the. Or he took this. He found the sword in one. In Skull Mountain. And then the guy from Grayskull is like, oh, s***, there was a sword. I picked the wrong mountain to be in. That mountain over there had a f****** sword.

Cristina: But he says Grayskull. So the sword should be at Grayskull.

Jack: Power of Grayskull. So Skull Mountain is the other guy's mountain.

Cristina: Yeah, that's right. If there is a Skull Mountain.

Jack: Unless it's the same mountain. Unless Skull Mountain is Grayskull.

Cristina: No, there's a bunch of mountains that are all skulls. Skulls. Yes. Except one is gray.

Jack: Yes. One is gray. And the other one is just a.

Cristina: Bunch of skulls that make up a mountain.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. It's not even really as much a mountain as it is a pile.

Cristina: It's a pile of skulls.

Jack: Gray skull is a mountain. Skull Mountain is a pile of skulls.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the.

Cristina: It's, like, infused with dirt, so it looks kind of mountain like.

Jack: And then the skull guy lives in the Skull Mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because he. He's a sentient skull. Like, there were so many skulls. Kind of like Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something just.

Cristina: There's just a lot. For some reason. Maybe he is a murderer. Maybe these mountains are because he loves to murder.

Jack: He's just making mountains out of human skulls.

Cristina: Yeah. I think there's monsters in this show, Right. He was attacked by a monster. I think we saw.

Jack: Like, we're forgetting the fact that there's powers here.

Cristina: All we know is the power to put shields on people armor and become.

Jack: Slightly more or less gay.

Cristina: Or more buff. Did his cat turn more buff?

Jack: Did his cat turn more buff?

Cristina: Think so. I don't know. Maybe. I think it did change a little.

Jack: Interesting. Okay, this is pulled up again, right? So he does this thing, a bunch of. Is this like lightning or some s***? But he's just. This clothes just rips off. He has like a wing.

Cristina: There's a skull behind him that's like a castle skull thing. Is that the Grayskull Mountain?

Jack: But was he already.

Cristina: He does turn bigger.

Jack: He did grow. Yeah, he grew.

Cristina: He grew.

Jack: He grew. Yeah. That's crazy. He really, really did get bigger.

Cristina: He did.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: That is part of the power.

Jack: And, like, how do we get back to the image of this mountain? Like, there's information without. Without watching this show. We're going to piece it together, man. That's his. His. Hold on, hold on. Put sound on. Bring the sound in.

Cristina: This is a different video.

Jack: Bring the sound in spooky stuff. Oh, don't be silly. I'm not being silly. I'm being careful.

Cristina: And tiger. Scooby Doo.

Jack: All right. If you won't go with me, I know someone who will. Namely Battle Cat. I have a power of Grayskull. Yeah. Oh, that's Grace. But he's not at graysc Skull. Why is he just suddenly a gray skull? And he's just gonna give him confidence. So I was kind of right.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And now what? Now he sounds like a thug. It's like, yeah, I'm ready G. I'm ready my G. Let's do this.

Cristina: He forced his tiger to transform.

Jack: And it's like tiger didn't even want to. He's like, I'm scared. Don't do this to me. And like, that's not fair. You're just gonna transform me to be confident. And it's like. So he's still scared inside that bigger thing.

Cristina: That's why he's not like, yeah.

Jack: Cuz he's not saying, well, yeah, do the thing. So I'm confident he's saying, oh no, that's not fair.

Cristina: You can't hurt inside of the tiger.

Jack: Yes. He's jackaling. And hide this m***********.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. That's so much worse. That's so horrible.

Jack: So he's kind of the bad guy to some degree at least. In that. In exchange.

Cristina: In that exchange, yes.

Jack: Cuz that tiger was like, come on, bro, you really do this right now.

Cristina: That sucks. That sucks a lot.

Jack: Sucks hard.

Cristina: That tiger is Scooby Doo, though.

Jack: Oh yeah. He was terrified. So he does get more confident. But he man didn't get more confident. In fact, personality wise, absolutely nothing changed.

Cristina: He's probably more confident, but he's already confident. So it's just the boost of.

Jack: So then we're looking at what I was saying.

Cristina: It's like a.

Jack: Like if his confidence stat is 200, then right now he's like 205.

Cristina: Yeah. That has to be it, right?

Jack: Yeah, it's like slightly more. It's like whatever. But it's better than it was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is not wrong.

Cristina: Yeah. But it has to be even more than we think. Because he turned a coward into someone who's ready to murder.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So it has to be more than we are thinking.

Jack: But also the cat knows something that we don't. Which is why he was like, not cool. So the cat presumably remains the cat trapped inside the body of this thing that's gonna do everything. In fact, he said, I Know somebody who is willing to go in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Battle cat.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: A different cat.

Cristina: Yes. Which you said. Jackal and Hyde. Yeah, Jackal and Hyde. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And he's, like, forcing the other to come out with his he man power Jizzy Magic power.

Cristina: Yeah. So if he does transform into someone else, too, it's probably not that different.

Jack: From himself, which is why we can't tell the difference.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why we can't tell the difference. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Or in his case, it's a tiny little boost of all stats, but in the case of everything else, it's different. The whole other personality comes out. Then again, he has a f****** talking tiger.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, it brings us down to the. Again, he's f****** Scooby Doo, the tiger.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's confusing.

Cristina: And there was a Grayskull Mountain, which.

Jack: He wasn't even at, but then he did the transform. Now we can say that that transformation is just showing us the original place he got the power. Kind of like Sailor Moon. Like, she's not suddenly in space transforming, but, you know, we see it like she is, because that's where it happened or whatever. Or when, like, the Power Rangers transform, they're not, like, you see, they're not, like, in some void of color.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's like, well, I'm the Blue Ranger. I exist in just blueness while I transform.

Cristina: So is the rainbow helping them transform? Are you saying that, like, the thing that's surrounding them is what's the energy? That's.

Jack: No, they just, like, disappear into some. What, the Power Rangers?

Cristina: Yeah. All these examples.

Jack: No, I don't think they're anywhere. I don't think they go anywhere.

Cristina: No, I'm not saying, like, what we're seeing is what's giving them the actual power.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Not that it's there or they're. They're transporting or anything. We're just seeing where the power comes from.

Jack: Could be. That's very fascinating, because in the case of he man, he's at Gray Mountain. Gray Skull.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's giving him the power.

Jack: Yes. So in the case of the Sailor Moon squad of Sailor somethings, they're all in space because they get their powers from space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: And the Power Rangers are getting their color from a rainbow, apparently.

Cristina: I think so. It makes sense, I guess it's like.

Jack: I'm the Blue Ranger, so I get the power from blue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Wouldn't that make the Blue Ranger the most powerful one, though?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because blue is the color that comes through best.

Cristina: Then Red is the weakest.

Jack: Yeah. But red is always a captain.

Cristina: There's something wrong with the Power Rangers.

Jack: Yeah. It should have been the blue one, be the captain, because he's the, like, ultimate.

Cristina: Well, I guess they didn't know about where these powers came from.

Jack: On the flip side, when the White Ranger shows up in the original Power Rangers, he became the captain immediately, which makes a lot of sense. He's pure light without it breaking down. Bam.

Cristina: Is. Is there a black one?

Jack: There is a Black Ranger.

Cristina: Is he also. Would he be super strong or super weak?

Jack: He should. Well, it depends. Right. Because there's the. Black is a controversial thing. 1. Because it's not a color. I'm not sure why it's. That's. Neither is white, to be honest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also kind of white. White is. And white isn't a color because white is the collection of every color.

Cristina: Yeah. So it should definitely have the most power.

Jack: Yes. Black is also every color, but it can also be none of them. So black is the lack of color.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also, if you were to combine almost every color, but not every color, you'd have black sooner than white. When you add that last tiny bit, you get white.

Cristina: Okay, so he should be the second. Stronger.

Jack: He should be the second is the power tier in Power Rangers. Should start at white, go to black, then blue, then blue, then I don't know the rest. Then yellow, then about green.

Cristina: Should it be green, then yellow?

Jack: Yes, it should be green. It should be white, black, blue, green, yellow, pink, red.

Cristina: Yes. That is the rank. The strong.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Power Rangers.

Jack: That is ranking. If they're. If they get their power from the colors that make it through the spectrum. Visible, human. I guess. Eyes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then in that case, the Red Ranger would be the weakest. There's no way he could be the captain. Unless the captain has to be the weakest because he has the most perspective. And then we're talking. Then we're talking that the Power Rangers are incredibly philosophically.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And it's like the weakest must be the leader because you have the most perspective on struggle and thus you are the most appropriate to lead the rest of the Rangers.

Cristina: But as a character, does he seem to struggle the most?

Jack: He's always the angriest.

Cristina: He's always angry. That's so lame. Like red and anger. Okay. How cliche is the pink one involved with love?

Jack: Yes. She's always f****** the Red Ranger. Oh, of course, we don't get that direct. You know, it's a child's cartoon. Or not even cartoons like A weird live action mess for children. Yes, but like Pink Ranger is like the cheerleader who f**** the jock who's Red Ranger.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And blue is usually a nerd and yellow nerd too. I remember when the yellow was Asian which brought up the question of is she the Yellow Ranger because she's Asian.

Cristina: Have they all been Asian?

Jack: No. It began that the original Yellow Ranger and I'll explain why this is a problem. Red and pink were white people, yellow was Asian. Tell me what color the Black Ranger was.

Cristina: Hispanic.

Jack: No, he was also black, so quite possibly it was originally racist.

Cristina: Are you sure? Yes. Alright. Okay.

Jack: Factually. Okay, here we go. Nice and pulled up.

Cristina: This is all crazy.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Are you sure is pink really? I don't know.

Jack: Was it Kimberly and Trini? Where's the name Trini? I don't f****** know. Yeah, cuz the next one was Tanya. D***, do I remember them. So it's from left to right here we got Billy, the Blue Ranger. He's the nerd.

Cristina: Billy?

Jack: Yeah, Billy had to be the wackest name then Trini, the Yellow Ranger because she's Asian. Then a good old fashioned red blooded American, Jason.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Jock, sporty guy and he's f****** who? Kimberly, the cheerleader girl who was literally a cheer. She was literally a cheerleader and he was literally a jock.

Cristina: These are adults though.

Jack: They were like in high school or something. Oh, they look like adults.

Cristina: Yeah, they look like adults.

Jack: Yeah, no, they were like in high school or some s***.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: College or something. They were definitely in school.

Cristina: All right. Yeah.

Jack: And then Black Ranger, whose name was Zach because he's got. That's a cool last name. But he's got to be black because he's the Black Ranger and had you. How else do you, you know who's in the suit if he ain't the color of, of the suit?

Cristina: That is so ridiculous. Yes, it's just to make you remember the characters easier.

Jack: Yes. You think Red Ranger, who's inside that? Oh, the red blooded American Black Ranger. Who's in there? Oh, the black guy. Yellow Ranger. Who's in there? Oh, the yellow girl.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Power. Go go power. But I did get in trouble for this actually.

Cristina: And then they had to change it up. Are those the same people? Those are different people. This is a whole different show.

Jack: They are. No, that's the same exact show. That's the same team. Except they stopped the Black Ranger from being a black guy and they made him like this Asian looking dude and they stopped the Yellow Ranger from being an Asian and made Her. The black girl. So they kind of swapped it so they can still have a black person and an Asian but be less racist about it.

Cristina: They fixed the problem.

Jack: They fixed the problem by swamping their races.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: But like, everybody else is still the same. All the other characters are still the same characters. It's just the racist ones that changed.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: They were literally just addressing that problem.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so. It's horrible. It's all horrible.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's so horrible. Oh my gosh. Why didn't they just get rid of all of them? I don't.

Jack: Because it was too obvious. Right.

Cristina: So wrong.

Jack: Just make it so that somehow we all gotta leave and now it's less racist because we're all not racially associated with a color.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But no, they clearly obviously knew the problem was we're kind of racist.

Cristina: So we'll fire the only two different people and hire two new different people.

Jack: They straight out fired the Asian and the black for their mistake.

Cristina: Yes. Instead of like, maybe keep them but arrange them differently.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Maybe fire some black. I mean, some of the white people and you know, hire some.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Other things.

Jack: Just an Asian and the black have to be executed for another Asian and black. This is America. Don't catch you slipping up. And they were caught slipping up. Not that it was their slip up, but they were in the middle of a slip up.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: They should have been like, I don't want to be the Black Ranger cuz I'm black. That's racist. It's his fault.

Cristina: It's his fault.

Jack: It's his fault for taking the job. He should have been more woke. I guess this is before Wokeness happened.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But he got what he deserved for taking the role. I should cancel him.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We should bring an entire movement and cancel the guy who played Zack for feeding into the stereotype. Same thing with the girl who played Trini. She needs to also be fired from life because. Because she took a role that was racist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're canceling people because of their past, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even if it was normal and okay.

Cristina: Back then, they had nothing to do with those decisions.

Jack: They picked the cat. They said, yes, I'll do it. They said, yes, I'll do it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they're just as guilty for creating these racist characters.

Cristina: So awful. Yeah.

Jack: When are we gonna cancel Power Rangers?

Cristina: We can't now. Wait. We're gonna cancel the whole thing?

Jack: Yeah, all of it. All the old stuff has to be taken down off of shelves. But like, here's the problem here's problems. Okay, so we know that whatever they're getting the colors from rainbows or whatever. You know what? You know what? Let's find a transformation. So we're gonna pull this up right here. I want to see. I want to see what it looks like. It's Morphin Time. Oh, because they're getting the power from the little thingy they're holding, Right? So we see the thingy they're holding even if they're not, like, existing inside of it. And they got a dance. Because they get their powers from dance as well.

Cristina: No, but there was lightning or something happening.

Jack: And you know what's interesting? You know what is really f****** interesting? Flash also gets his power from some sort of lightning field.

Cristina: He does?

Jack: Yes. The Speed Force looks like lightning.

Cristina: It does look like lightning. Okay, makes sense.

Jack: Okay, okay. There's a. There's a pattern forming here. Let's find out.

Cristina: Powers come from lightning.

Jack: Let's find out what it looks like when the sailor girls transform. Now we find out if they have lightning here too. She's gonna just be eating cheesecake, bro. Necessary for transform.

Cristina: They're having a whole speech before this transformation.

Jack: Maybe it's part of the transformation.

Cristina: Can you wash them?

Jack: Maybe that Kagome. They have a little doohickey, right?

Cristina: Just like Power Rangers.

Jack: Tell me. There's lightning, bro.

Cristina: There's lights, there's sparkles, stars, bubbles.

Jack: They got wands in their nails.

Cristina: They have specific colors too. Like Power Rangers.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: See, green.

Jack: Are colors really a source of power, I'm assuming?

Cristina: Yes. The power. The rainbow is the most powerful thing you can get powers from. Who knew?

Jack: So, like, catching a rainbow isn't even about the gold.

Cristina: But now they're in. What is this?

Jack: This is some void of, like, energy.

Cristina: It's not space. It's energy. Okay.

Jack: Did she become bubbles? And what, she's gonna turn to fire, right? Is that what I'm supposed to believe?

Cristina: Fire? Around her, these transformations are long.

Jack: It's like a good half of the episode. She literally has lightning, though. But it doesn't fit because the others didn't have lightning.

Cristina: I think they all have different things.

Jack: Their elements.

Cristina: Yeah. So first their nails change color, and then the elements. The elements First.

Jack: They're. Yeah. First nails and colors. How many of these girls are there?

Cristina: Five, six. A lot like the Power Rangers.

Jack: Wow. This.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Cristina: These. Those are the extra girls, right? Like, they're not the. From the main team. Two of them.

Jack: Wait, we just saw other people transform.

Cristina: Yeah, they're like Extra sailor girls? Oh, no. They are the same girls. Okay. There's just five girls.

Jack: Interesting. That's crazy.

Cristina: There's not much difference, is there?

Jack: Except the lack of lightning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There wasn't lightning across the board.

Cristina: No, it's whatever element.

Jack: But then. Okay, so we have some patterns here. We have. He man had definitely some sort of lightning thing going on.

Cristina: And a gray skull, then.

Jack: A gray skull. Yeah, but the Power Rangers had lightning.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And color. The sailor girls had colors, but not lightning. No, there's a rhythm. Some. Some of these. There's. There's some collective force that everybody's getting their powers from.

Cristina: Yes. I think.

Jack: I think every power that exists comes.

Cristina: From the same thing that's transforming these people.

Jack: Yes. If you transform, there's one source doing it.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: And I think there's crossing lines enough that we can probably zone in on what it is. And I can tell you one specific reason why. Although he man has lightning but not color, and the sailor girls have color but not lightning. What is lightning if not light?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is just a pure plasma version of color.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's all the colors.

Jack: It's all the colors.

Cristina: Huh? He has all the colors because he's one. Yeah.

Jack: He doesn't need it divided. Yes, but because the sailor girls aren't one and they need to work together.

Cristina: But he works with the tiger.

Jack: No, he uses the tiger. There's a difference. Oh, he has the power.

Cristina: Yeah, he does. Okay.

Jack: He has the power and he can use the power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While the sailor girls are working together. Working together. They like the Power Rangers. Like the Power Rangers. And we see that there is lightning giving them. And then boom. The color. The lightning gave him the color.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're just not seeing the lightning in the part of the sailor girls. Everybody's getting their powers from light.

Cristina: Yes, they are.

Jack: They are?

Cristina: Yep. Wow. So you think they're really all getting this energy from the same place?

Jack: Yes. The Speed Force.

Cristina: Why the Speed Force? I don't understand.

Jack: Well, it's not. Maybe not necessarily the Speed Force purely. But there's like. The Speed Force is also. I mean, I guess it's not transforming anybody, but it's a source of power. That is light.

Cristina: That is light. Okay, but you think when the Flash gets.

Jack: Flash doesn't transform? No.

Cristina: Yeah, he doesn't transform. But somehow the Speed Force is causing other people to transform?

Jack: Yes. I think it's not just transformation, maybe. But all the good guys get their power from the same place. And all the people from the dark side of the Force as well. Because they got the power lightning thing.

Cristina: What? Bad guys in Star Wars.

Jack: But they got, like, the evil, like, the death lightning thing that they do.

Cristina: Okay. Yes, yes. They have the really weak red one.

Jack: Interesting. Because colors affect that too. They have the whack red light, but then they have, like, force lightning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they sacrifice the power of their lightsaber for other taboo abilities with the same energy. While the Jedi, known for using the lightsaber specifically. That's what they're known for.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their focus is on it. So they have, like, the bright colored ones because they're putting their energy into being swordsmen.

Cristina: All right, this is so weird. Okay, so you're saying they're using the same energy source, but then we have another problem. What?

Jack: The bad guys, they're also using the power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So all power comes from light. Another example of this is Superman recharges with sunlight. The yellow sun gives him his power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's literally getting pure light to recover.

Cristina: But from the sun.

Jack: From the sun. Pure. Just pure light.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the closer he is that he goes to space to recover faster.

Cristina: But that's not from the same place that everyone else is. If you think they're all getting it from.

Jack: Well, they're getting it from light.

Cristina: Oh, just light.

Jack: Yeah. The Speed Force is part of whatever light source.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Seems to exist in the universe because everybody in Star wars is also in a galaxy far, far away.

Cristina: So they're somehow using the light combined with items usually like he man has a sword. The Power Rangers have badges.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Sailor Moon characters have wands.

Jack: Have wands. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: They have channeling tools.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They have a way to focus the energy.

Cristina: Yes. In the Star Wars. Yeah.

Jack: Okay, interesting.

Cristina: Except for Superman. He doesn't have anything. He just uses. He just somehow absorbs.

Jack: He's become the tool. That's what makes him overpowered. He somehow figured out how to be the channeling thing himself.

Cristina: And that's why he probably has unlimited powers.

Jack: Yes. Because he can filter it through him. He doesn't need some other thing that he has that can contain only a limited amount.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If he burns through some of it, it's immediately replenished because there's infinite light everywhere.

Cristina: But we don't see him transform. Is it because it's always on?

Jack: We don't see the people from Star wars transform either.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: I don't think it's always transformation. I think the source of power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now you can use the source of power to transform. And some people Do?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But not everybody does.

Cristina: No. It's so weird. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Now, interesting enough, the Transformers are, like, sentient robot things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Their power is literally transforming into vehicles and s***. Do they also use this sort of power?

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: Organize a battle unit. We're going after them, man. Like, the origin of this s***'s crazy. They gotta, like, say their name.

Cristina: Well, he wants them to transform in order of the. What? He's saying.

Jack: Oh, God.

Cristina: It's important. But their transformation is pretty magical in that there is no.

Jack: Yeah, it's, like, so pure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no, like, outside influence on their transformation. See, this is. So what we're saying is, because they're machines, they don't have access to this power that exists pretty much just for biological life forms. They're not biological, although they're life forms. They are mechanical life forms.

Cristina: Not the same.

Jack: Yeah, they're somehow, like, synthetic to some degree, so they don't have access to it. It seems like the human element allows us to access this pure energy.

Cristina: So strange. I don't get how cars. Are they on a different planet, transforming. When they were on their planet, they were transforming already.

Jack: That's weird, right? When they were on their own planet, were they transforming into cars? Like, are they. The. Like, cars were invented because humans saw Transformers as well. That's what we're finding out, right? Like, trucks weren't a thing before. Somebody saw a truck, etched it on a f****** wall somewhere, and then a million years later, somebody saw, like, let's f****** make that thing. Yes, but they just saw the f****** Autobots or some s***, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, no, that's actually wrong.

Cristina: That's wrong.

Jack: That's wrong. Because there was a time that they would turn into animals.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Okay. Transformers, Beast Wars.

Cristina: Ew.

Jack: Giant spider thing. So this is in the prehistoric times.

Cristina: That's a cheetah. That's not prehistoric.

Jack: I don't. I don't know what the f***. Like, it's a giant bug. That's prehistoric.

Cristina: A rhino?

Jack: Yeah. But these transformations have no electricity.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They are really just these robots. But see, this kind of proves that they're just. They were transforming into whatever was in.

Cristina: The area before these things in the area. Is there actual animals there? Or are they just transforming into things that we see?

Jack: I don't know if there was anything else in that world.

Cristina: What if that's their imagination? They're creating these things that are super similar to what. What's been on our world for some reason.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: But this is Just imagination.

Jack: That's so complicated. For a couple of reasons. Because then we have to assume that even if they're on their planet somewhere far away from us at all times, they're somehow connected to what's actively happening on planet Earth.

Cristina: Even if they've never seen it. Anything.

Jack: Yeah, there's dinosaurs out here, okay. They can turn into f****** dinosaurs for that time. So they have some integral connection to what's happening on Earth. So the argument would be we don't see them transform using the energy because they're literally made of the energy and that's how they're connected actively to what's happening.

Cristina: But is Superman made of the energy?

Jack: No, Superman's channeling the energy. That's why he has to go up and recharge.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're not, they just have powers for.

Cristina: Whatever f****** reason they're made of.

Jack: Made of the energy.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And so they're always connected. And so whatever's happening on Earth, us, the people who need channeling of energy, they. Some. They're connected to the Force. They can. They know they are the thing.

Cristina: But the Force is somehow connected to us though.

Jack: Well, the Force is the energy. It's just a name for that energy.

Cristina: The energy of Earth, of the universe. The universe. Okay.

Jack: They're not on Earth. And also the people who are using the Force aren't on Earth either. They're in a galaxy far, far away.

Cristina: They just pick things that are here. But maybe there are versions that they could turn into things that are not here but somewhere else. You know, like maybe there's plants on Superman's home planet that they could turn into, even though they've never been there either.

Jack: Like, interesting. I guess I would explain why there would be both a rhino and a pterodactyl.

Cristina: Yeah. Has nothing to do with Earth. It could be like maybe the rhinos from here, but the pterodactyls from another planet that has dinosaurs right now for.

Jack: Some reason, or through any point in time as well. Because you're connected to this force that exists always.

Cristina: Yes. It could be anytime too.

Jack: So rhinos and pterodactyls from Earth, even if it's from totally different times.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So d***. Is there anything else that uses the electricity then? We know if you're robotic and somehow sentient, you are like part of the energy. The energy's within you. It's what's powering you.

Cristina: You don't know any other transformers?

Jack: Anything that transforms? Somebody who has ability to transform into some other s***. Interesting. Okay, here's a weird one. Yu. Yu. Hakusho.

Cristina: There's transforming there.

Jack: There's a specific character. Kuramu Kakamaru, the f****** red haired guy who turns into this like white haired wolf thing.

Cristina: I don't remember him turning into a wolf thing.

Jack: Yes, but maybe he definitely does. I just don't remember if he has lightning associated with it. Yes. Now let's see. Let's see. Yes. Okay, that doesn't seem right at all. But let's see. Okay, what are we seeing? It's like smoke. It is like lightning.

Cristina: It is like.

Jack: It is like lightning. Lightning.

Cristina: It's like fire, but it's white like lightning.

Jack: Literally, lightning in the clouds.

Cristina: You saw that? Okay.

Jack: Holy.

Cristina: And then his hair is different. No.

Jack: Oh my God. No way, bro.

Cristina: I think it's always lightning. Like every transformation is the same thing, but they all look the same when.

Jack: Dragon Ball Z. Yeah, yeah. I think it's always lightning. Yeah, to the point that the stronger you are, you literally at some point just have lightning surging around you. There we go.

Cristina: There was some lightning. There was some lightning.

Jack: There's lightning. Oh, yes.

Cristina: Oh, there's some lightning on.

Jack: Pure light and lightning.

Cristina: Both of them.

Jack: Both Vegeta and Goku.

Cristina: One of them's dead though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You can still use this power while dead.

Jack: Because it doesn't matter. You don't have to be on. It's universal. It's anywhere you are at any moment, at any state, this energy exists.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Fascinating. This is very, very fascinating. So we know every transformation. Actually, any use of power involves some sort of plasmic or light based source.

Cristina: Yes. All from the same source.

Jack: All from the same source. There's some sort of universal thing that everybody's tuning into, meaning one way or another, everything exists in the same universe.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I mean, it's possible they're all using the same energy. We could chalk it off to alternate universe or not. It exists in the same multiverse, then, because we have different universes with different Earths.

Cristina: Yes, that's exactly it.

Jack: But the power that exists transcends the concept of a singular universe because it's shared equally. Meaning the power exists in the multiverse.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, which makes sense. Even with Flash's power, isn't that in the multiverse too?

Jack: Yes, because he can travel to different universes using it. And he can travel to different periods of time of any universe using it.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. The. What's it called again?

Jack: The Speed Force. The Speed Force, which in Star wars is just called the Force.

Cristina: The Force The Speed Force and the Force are the same thing.

Jack: Yes. It's the universal energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I'm not even gonna call it the Speed Force anymore. It's the universal energy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, actually, it's the multiversal energy.

Cristina: Multiverse energy.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That you could actually travel through, but you can also use.

Jack: But also channel it through an object yourself. You can use it as a weapon. You can travel through it. It is God.

Cristina: Wow. Yes, it is God.

Jack: It is within everything, within everyone. You just have to learn how to use it or learn to channel it properly.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: The universal energy is God.

Cristina: It has to be right.

Jack: It has to be. It's not thinking. Although they would tell you the opposite in Flash, because the Speed Force does have a mind of its own.

Cristina: It does care about things. It doesn't like to be used inappropriately.

Jack: Yes. Which brings up an interesting point. People who use powers incorrectly tend to be corrupted by them.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So maybe kind of applies whether or not we're talking about.

Cristina: It's still a God, though. It's just. It doesn't have. You could be bad and use it. You just can't abuse it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, that's all that it sees as wrong.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But it doesn't really care what you do. Yeah.

Jack: Morally speaking, it doesn't give a s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Just don't use it inappropriately to it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Whatever that means.

Jack: Yeah. Don't abuse God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can use God for whatever you want.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But don't abuse God.

Cristina: Yes. Whoa.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So going back to he man.

Cristina: Is.

Jack: He man abusing God? No. Because he's using tiny little doses.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't think so. He abused his friend, definitely. But that wasn't abuse of power. It was just abuse of animal.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Because he's not abusing God, AKA the multiverse energy.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe if you attacked everyone with the light, then it'd be inappropriate. I don't know.

Jack: Well, no, I guess it would be using the light in a sort of a wasteful way.

Cristina: In a wasteful way, yes.

Jack: If you think of Flash's interpretation of it, the. The energy thought it was being misused when he was consistently using it for selfish reasons, trying to alter time. And when the Reverse Flash also started abusing it, that the Reverse Flash literally had to stop using that energy and come up with his own version of the Speed Force.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So because he was being purely selfish, instead of using it to accomplish simple tasks or something, it was being considered abuse.

Cristina: Yeah. And In Star wars, how does it turn dark?

Jack: Well, you start using it for. It's weird because not everybody gets corrupted. Some people just like doing bad things, but some people do get corrupted by it. I'm not sure where the line is though.

Cristina: What do you have examples?

Jack: Yes. Count Dooku is a very reasonable, clear minded guy who is trained by Yoda.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He doesn't seem to have been swallowed alive by the Force. He's clear minded. He just. Yes. He just supports the bad side, but he's clear minded.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the Sith Lord seems f****** gone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like he's not there at all. He's being manipulated by this evil energy, but he's also like corrupted and weird.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like the Force, though, is damaging him. Like he used it so much that it's also abusing him. That's what's happening.

Jack: That's what they mean by abuse. Don't get addicted to the Force, just.

Cristina: Like the evil Flash guy. Oh my.

Jack: Yes. There's a. There's a rhythm here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Don't get addicted to it and keep using it over and over and over and over and over and over. He man uses it to achieve a purpose and then doesn't just hang out using it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When there's a purpose, when there's a reason, then I use it.

Cristina: And Goku, even though it's unlimited and he keeps going up, there's a rhythm to him also using. He hasn't jumped up or anything. He's like working his body to be comfortable with it.

Jack: His body adapting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not like drugs. He trains to be able to withstand it.

Cristina: Yes. Which no one else does.

Jack: Yes. While in the case of Vegeta, he literally gets corrupted sometimes because he's not using it. He's not like just training his way up sometimes. He just wants the power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So he can't handle it all the time.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh my God.

Jack: Interesting. So don't get addicted to the Force is the ultimate lesson. Use it carefully, with moderation.

Cristina: Yes. And still you can. You can do whatever you want with it.

Jack: You could seemingly do whatever, but it needs to be. You have to be able to control it. There you go. It's hard to control. And if you're using it without being able to control it, that counts as abuse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What now? I guess that tosses out the window whether he man is good or bad because it ultimately doesn't matter.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like morally speaking, the multiverse energy doesn't give a s***.

Cristina: Not at all.

Jack: Because he man is using it in moderation yeah. And that's what matters. And he's turning his cat into a f****** other thing. But his cat can handle it too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is why it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Even.

Jack: If the cat hates it and he's being Mr. Jackal and Dr. Hyde or.

Cristina: Mr. Hyde and Dr. Jack hate it because it is killing him.

Jack: Then does that is the cat who's gonna get punished or is it he man?

Cristina: Yeah. What if it's the cat that's getting punished every time he does that?

Jack: Interesting. Because he man isn't like he can control it.

Cristina: He's fine. He's fine because he's doing it when he's ready. This cat's being forced.

Jack: This cat's being foreign.

Cristina: So like, maybe some years are getting off his life or whatever.

Jack: That's like.

Cristina: We don't know. This might be multiple reasons why this cat hates it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His life is getting shortened. Or he's slowly becoming evil and he doesn't like the bad thoughts he's having or something.

Cristina: Yes. Yep.

Jack: He man.

Cristina: But when it comes to the Power Rangers, do the villains also use this power or is it just the Power Rangers?

Jack: The villains do. In fact, they all have this weird lightning ability when they're showing up or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Do they also transport?

Jack: Yes. Holy s***. And they also use f****** lightning to get bigger and s***. Yeah, they get hit by lightning or something.

Cristina: Do they sometimes corrupt?

Jack: They're always corrupted.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: In fact, the only people who aren't. If we just think of the original Power Rangers, it's that lady Rita and her husband.

Cristina: These are.

Jack: They can learn how to control it, but they're forcing this power on other s*** that goes berserk.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They force their minions to have the power, but the minions aren't ready.

Jack: They're not ready.

Cristina: So then. Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: Wow. We found the connection.

Jack: Yeah. We connected everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wow. That's kind of crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's kind of amazing.

Cristina: Mm. Did you think you were gonna connect all this?

Jack: H*** no. But I also didn't realize that there was such a pattern of electricity and like the sort of plasmic energy that exists not just in our universe, but in all universes within the multiverse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: That is crazy. I'm guessing the Transformers can ever corrupt because they are. So they're always ready for whatever they do.

Jack: Yes, yes. Yes. That's why there's not like somebody losing their f****** mind. They're just in disagreement.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Interesting. Anyways, we're running out of time. But holy. I. The last thing I expected was to discover that there is a multiverse energy that exists within all of us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That God is just a light. It's. It's a for. Yeah, it's a Force.

Cristina: But you don't want to call him the speed of Force. You want to call him the universal power. No. Energy.

Jack: Multiverse Force. That's what we'll call him.

Cristina: The Multiverse Force.

Jack: Yes. The Multiverse Force.

Cristina: That's not a catchy name, though.

Jack: It's not a catchy name, though. There needs. Because speed Force feels right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so does the Force. Those feel good. Yeah, I guess the Force is pretty sweet. That's okay. Well, they treat it like God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is religion to them.

Cristina: Okay, we'll call it the Force.

Jack: So. Okay. The Force is connected everywhere. Everything. Everything is connected by the Force.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wow. I'd say. Look, I'd say you guys can find other episodes where we talk about this the way I usually do, but, like, there's. There's f****** not. Like, this is the first time this s*** has ever crossed my mind, period.

Cristina: Yeah. But we have talked about cartoons.

Jack: Oh, yeah. We literally have an episode in which we're talking about how Scooby Doo became Scooby Doo. If you want some cartoons in your life, is that the only cartoon we've talked about?

Cristina: We talked about Pokemon.

Jack: Oh, yeah, we talked about Pokemon as well. This. Whatever. There's some cartoons in there. There's probably. There's literally a s*** ton of episodes about. What is it? Morphers? Not Morphers.

Cristina: Transformers.

Jack: No, Transformers.

Cristina: Shapeshifters.

Jack: Shapeshifters.

Cristina: Oh, we have a bunch of shape shifting.

Jack: So many episodes.

Cristina: We also talk about what God could be. That's quite a few episodes.

Jack: Well, if we nailed it now. But yeah, there were a bunch of theorized episodes of what God could be.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: So you guys can go check all of that stuff out at the official website, greatthoughts.info@apple, Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is incredibly powerful. And apparently you do have the power. You do literally have the power within you.

Cristina: You just have to.

Jack: He man was right. You just have to learn how to use it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And not abuse it. Be kind to your fellow man and tell him, with my power, I Will introduce this to you and you will learn how to use your power to introduce it to somebody else. And the good word will spread.

Cristina: Yeah, don't be like he man. And forcing it on to someone.

Jack: Nah, nah, don't do that. That's bad. Be like a good Samaritan, not like he man.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: By.

Cristina: Like, we didn't need the robe.

Jack: We don't need the rope. It's crazy, bro, but so many weird traditions to hold. Put your hand on the Bible. What if you're a f****** atheist? This is an easy one for you. You could totally lie under oath. Oath doesn't mean s*** because it's an oath to God who you already think is a f****** mythical.

Cristina: Is it really an oath to God still? They haven't changed that. They need to update that. What if liars. But you. If you lie though, you're gonna get in trouble. You can't just say, oh, but I was. I'm an atheist. So it didn't mean anything to me.

Jack: Well, no, here's. It's not. That's not how it works. The way it works is that they make you put your hand on the Bible and make the oath, swearing to God that you're not gonna lie. Their assumption is if they fear God, they won't lie. You're gonna get in trouble whether or not you believe in God and you lied and you get caught for lying. But they're hoping that you believe in God enough to not lie with your hand on the. After you put your hand on the Bible and swear to God, you wouldn't lie. Okay, but if you don't believe in God, that part of it means f****** nothing.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You just did some s*** that made them feel good.

Cristina: Yes. And made you feel awkward.

Jack: I guess if it makes you feel awkward to put your hand on the Bible. But at that point, maybe the Bible is doing what it's supposed to be doing and you're some sort of like, creature. You didn't even know you were a creature.

Cristina: I've never seen a Bible. You're like, what is this? Why do I have to do this?

Jack: That's crazy. If you live under a rock like that. The crazy rock to live on there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To just have never seen a Bible before. But there are so many weird f****** traditions, man. It's really odd how a courtroom works.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by GreatThoughts.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 134: The Two Religions

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Which has more answers for the mysteries of nature? Theology or Science? How different are these two belief systems? How identical are they? In this episode the duo breaks down the similarities and differences of Earth’s two greatest rivals for understanding the mysteries of nature. Theology and Science ad discussed as powerful religions.

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Topics Discussed: The Scientific Method Atomic Theory Science vs Theology Objective vs Subjective Neil deGrasse Tyson Quantum Computer Morality Universe Jello Catholic Church Allegations

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yeah. So if you need to get somebody to listen to this show, be sure to make them.

Cristina: Make them.

Jack: It's always. Look, this show always begins on the woke truth, which is you. You have the obligation to force people. You're obligated for justice. For justice. To force people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: To do what we're telling you to do, which is make them listen to the show. It's an obligation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You don't know what kind of danger you're potentially in if you don't.

Cristina: Wait, they're in danger?

Jack: Yeah. The people we're talking to are in danger. They have to make other people listen.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Gotta run out into the show.

Cristina: I thought only the person that they're making listen was in danger, not realizing, like, oh, we're actually making the people do it. Like, they're not just.

Jack: Oh, no, they don't.

Cristina: Doing it for fun to.

Jack: Pretty sure. In the past, I've established that I will put their children in danger.

Cristina: Yes, Yes. I forgot about that. I don't know why I forget about that. It makes perfect sense that the person listening is also like, why would you.

Jack: Do what we're saying?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they're trolls. I don't know. They.

Jack: Look, there are some trolls out there who are just like, let's do this.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I think. That's how I feel like most of the listeners are.

Jack: I mean, like, let's be real. A huge, like, by vast majority. Like, I feel sorry for somebody who stumbled into this and isn't a f****** troll. They're over here. Like, we're about to get educated and it's like, sure, sure, sure. I mean, look, we're not gonna tell you something that's not true.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But we're also not gonna tell you something that's not false.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's.

Cristina: It's in there. It's in there. It's a little bit. Yeah.

Jack: But look, okay, okay. Let's be real. Right? Talking about real and fake and false and all this bullshit. Okay. What's let's. It's use a scientific method, right? You could prove. You could prove. What we're telling you is that it's dangerous or whatever. F***.

Cristina: I don't know. Because people say they use the scientific method to prove that the Earth is flat. And I don't believe it.

Jack: See, this is a weird argument because there's two things happening there. Some people think they can use science to prove the Earth is flat, which is in itself a little bit dumb, considering.

Cristina: I'm not sure if they know what the science. Scientific method is, though.

Jack: Yeah, they definitely don't because they are confused about the replication part of the pro of the whole program. Like, if I came to the conclusion, the whole other half, they're missing the. I did it and got this result. It's okay. Repeat it and get the result and then let somebody else repeat it and get the same result. They're missing that part. They're like, no, I got it the first try. I got it. I don't need any more proof. I understand. And it's like, this is science. This. Yeah, I'm sciencing, okay? And it's like, all right, bro, come on. But it's like, oh, some people also believe the f****** science is fake. And they use that to prove the Earth is flat. Like, all the science is wrong. Thus the Earth cannot be browned.

Cristina: So the scientists are wrong. I mean, they're not using the scientific method or there's something wrong with the scientific method.

Jack: God, that's so sort of the scientific method. It's not that something is inherently wrong with the scientific method. It's that it's not as right as they claim. They pretend that the scientific method is infallible, but everything is a theory because nothing has been proven. You just have overwhelming evidence for certain things, and you claim that to be as close a truth as you get. For example, the atomic theory. There are atoms. We behave and like the probabilities are in the favor of atoms by vast majority. We've built science around the concept that there are atoms. Technology relying on the idea that there are atoms. Also. We have no way to prove there's an atom. There's just not a thing we can do.

Cristina: We can't see them.

Jack: No, we're touching something, behaving in some way. We're not exactly a million percent sure.

Cristina: We're like seeing his shadow or something.

Jack: We're seeing data.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And not even all of it. That's why we keep finding s*** inside of a f****** atom.

Cristina: In an atom.

Jack: Yeah. We discover s*** about atoms all the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: If we're looking at atoms, that's where it gets shaky. Yes, because, like, what the f*** are we looking at?

Cristina: Mm. So then the scientific method is not the way to go.

Jack: It's the best method we have. It's better than religion, at least for the purposes we're using it for. Okay, fair enough. That's wrong. That's wrong. Although the statement that I followed it with, the purpose we're using it for, that statement corrected what I was saying. But ultimately it's about as useful as religion.

Cristina: It's as useful in what way?

Jack: Well, science leans into understanding the objective things that both you and I experience. That's very objective. We can both see a table in front of us and say, this is a table. You're saying table. I'm saying table. Okay. The table exists within the objective reality. Yes, but there are things you feel that nobody but you feels. They can try to explain what they're feeling, but you can't feel it too. Yeah, maybe it's the same. It might sound like the words you'd use. But also we're limited by our language, so maybe you just land on those words because you're the closest. Yes, but they're wrong.

Cristina: And you're saying religion is like that.

Jack: Religion is like that. Religion is aiming to explain the subjective world.

Cristina: Subjective world, yes.

Jack: While science purely, purely, purely aims at the objective things that we can all see and replicate. You cannot replicate something subjective. It's a personal experience. Yes, but you can.

Cristina: But the Bible is trying to explain that sort of.

Jack: The idea of theology in general is to explain that. Sure. There's some cross pollination. Right. So you end up with, like, morality inside of science, the concept of morality, what's right and what's objectively right and what's objectively wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, we.

Jack: It's loosely philosophical science. Like if we gave you a thought experiment and ran you through these things, is this right? Is this wrong? Could we put somebody else through the test? Like, you're using the scientific method to work with psychology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And philosophy. But in. In religion, you're dealing with a completely different monster, which you're trying to reflect on what's inside of you. But there's the same cross pollination of. Well, we can try to tell you why the earth is at all, why we exist or what. Like, you know, there's that problem that exists in both. They're not really necessarily being used for what they're being used for. Yeah, they need. They want to explain everything. Both things but you can't.

Cristina: But why do they want to explain everything?

Jack: Because they're both religion and it's more about collecting the largest following than it is about being practical and useful. That's the same reason that scientists don't have the language to convey the information to the common person. Scientists are kind of f****** stupid. We think of scientists. Oh, they're so smart. A scientist is no smarter than a teacher who's a master at teaching than a construction worker who's a master at construction. They just happen to be in chemistry. So they're great at f****** chemistry. Or in physics. Or great at physics.

Cristina: But that doesn't mean they're good at teaching.

Jack: Yeah, that doesn't mean that they're good at teaching. They're just good at their thing. They're smart, not intelligent.

Cristina: People confuse those two.

Jack: Confuse those two s****. Too often people think intelligence collected. No, that's how fast you use information. That's how flexible you are with information. Most scientists, like theologists, are just smart in that one area.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're ignorant to every other thing. Why is the joke? The scientists are extremely awkward people. It's because they have no social skills. They're not like interpersonally intelligent.

Cristina: Unless you count the few that are popular now.

Jack: Like Neil is not interpersonally intelligent. He is kind of rude. A bit aggressive, stubborn and rigid comedians for. Yes.

Cristina: Never mind. He has a shortcut.

Jack: He has buffers. Yes, he has buffers.

Cristina: He needs.

Jack: Oh, so like Neil is an intelligent guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He is not just smart, he's intelligent. The problem is he's stubborn and heavily ignorant. So he'll use the information he has in clever, clever ways to just create a loop of confirmation bias rather than allowing other information into his thing. Yeah, he's just very, very. To him it's a religion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Neil worships the science. He knows.

Cristina: Yes. Cuz well, to him he knows him.

Jack: He knows. He knows how the universe came to be. He knows what? And if the question seems to not fit, which we've heard many times, he'll say it's irrelevant. That question itself is flawed because it holds no meaning. It's like there's no such thing as a meaningless question, bro. He does not study Alan Watts.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He does not understand the true granular nature.

Cristina: What kind of intelligence or smarts is Alan Watts?

Jack: He's entirely about teaching. He's like Einstein. It was all just like he was really good at communication. He's a communication intellect or smarts. He's got communication smarts and he has interpersonal smarts that they can do very good at communicating their ideas and making it accessible to the commoner. That's the whole point of the theory of relativity. Very, very. Or not the book. Relativity. It's very, very visual dialogue. The whole point is a train is doing this and this is happening and it's going this fast and you're witnessing this as it's happening. And like you'll have the numbers. It's on the page also. You can f****** ignore it because the visual he's giving you is the numbers.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it makes just as much sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He was a scientist who studied science and used other methods to teach, not just science. Neil is just a scientist and doesn't know s*** else. He's all the blind spots in the world.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Only science. Just science. Nothing but science. You threw him in a random place. He starves to death. He has no idea how to survive. Because science is the. And specific science is astrophysics. The end.

Cristina: Yeah. That's not good.

Jack: That's all he's got.

Cristina: Deserted island.

Jack: Yeah. He's f*****. We look at space. Oh. Something's gonna. At that point he collapses into religion.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Which is the other side of this. Because religion also has the same problem. Religion is trying to force crap down people's throats and also fails at explaining things in a way that makes it more accessible.

Cristina: I don't understand why they want to try to explain everything with religion though.

Jack: Why are you trying to explain everything with science?

Cristina: Okay. I guess it's both the same thing. Why does everything.

Jack: I don't know. They just want to do that. But I mean they're both the same. I guess the.

Cristina: So it's just like. We just will need an explanation no matter what we're using. We just. We just need everything solved. There can't be no mystery.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Because then that's danger.

Jack: And I guess that's ultimately where both science and theology come in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they're both trying to answer the questions. All of them. They're both trying to answer all the questions. They're so scared of having unanswered questions.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that could be something dangerous there. I guess. I don't know. Like what's gonna happen if we don't know?

Jack: Alright. Let's say we. We go in and we do some science and we find out in 15 years Earth is going to be hit by another planet that's gonna enter our system. Stray.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Okay. What are we doing? We don't have the technology to get ever. It's f*****. It's done. Technology, Nothing's happening. We're f***** up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, we move to Mars. Doesn't matter. Two planets collapsing next to each other, crashing into one another. That close in proximity, the debris is gonna fly out and destroy Mars. It's crazy.

Cristina: So then what do we do?

Jack: We're all dead. It's the end of the human race.

Cristina: Okay. That's because we needed to know though.

Jack: Yeah. We found out and like, great. Now we just know we're gonna die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Could have been a surprise.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe surprises aren't so bad. I don't know.

Jack: Could have been a surprise.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But no. Although on the flip side, as that planet closes in and it gets closer over the weeks and months, those storms are going to be crazy apocalyptic scale.

Cristina: We're just going to enjoy that end of the world before the death.

Jack: No, it's going to be horrifying. All the volcanoes erupting simultaneously. Hurricanes and tornadoes everywhere. Megastorms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Earthquakes everywhere.

Jack: The planet will be squeezed by the gravity of another planet. Getting crazy close.

Cristina: That's so cool, man. If we were far away, but I guess we're already doomed and like able to watch it.

Jack: That'd be cool.

Cristina: Yes. If it was hitting another planet. If it was hitting another planet, where we are though, we'd still die, right? Like it doesn't matter.

Jack: Like it would have to be a pretty far planet.

Cristina: Like if it was hitting Pluto, which I guess isn't a planet, but let's imagine that it is.

Jack: It depends how it hits it. Like Pluto's pretty far.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like we could still expect some s*** to happen though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like there's gonna be the brief flying around.

Cristina: Like how big is this planet that's hitting Pluto?

Jack: That's another good question.

Cristina: Like it's gotta be bigger than Pluto.

Jack: If it's a planet.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So what does that do?

Jack: It's a potential problem.

Cristina: We'll probably still die. You think we would still prepare though to get out of here? I think we've had over doomed.

Jack: No, we can't leave the solar system. We don't have the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Even if I say 20 years, we still don't. We don't have the time. Anything that's close to the orbit of Jupiter as that debris flies out in every direction is f*****. Even in a long term.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And anything that is in order, like a lot of those rocks are gonna get pulled in. We're towards the inside. Like we're way closer to Pluto. So we're what we're Based on the reference point of Pluto we're in, there's.

Cristina: Gotta be a scientist that's, like, dying though, right? Like, he's, like, worried, when is this giant rock gonna come out of nowhere? Because we don't know everything that's traveling in space at the same time right now with us and how everything is moving. Like, a planet could come out of nowhere. Can it? Or is that a very low possibility?

Jack: I mean, let's be real. A planet could kind of come out of nowhere. Random s*** exists. We suspect there's planets in our belt now.

Cristina: Yeah. But there's also, like, planets that aren't attached to galaxies. Or are they all attached to galaxies?

Jack: Stars.

Cristina: Stars. Sorry. Yes. Are they only attached to stars or are they flinging everywhere?

Jack: There are some planets that are just rogue. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: And our star can capture one.

Cristina: Could capture it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Without hitting anything?

Jack: Oh, no, it could definitely hit everything.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It could hit f****** everything. Like, it's highly unlikely that it hit anything.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But, like, it's possible that it could be caught and enter the gravity and stay, like, caught orbiting. But it's probably gonna f*** some s*** up.

Cristina: Yeah. Man. There is someone stressing about this. That's why there's so many of, like, Planet X is coming. Because. Yeah, there are people stressing about this. We're in space. That's. With so many things we can't see, we don't know where they are all the time. We need that quantum computer.

Jack: But we're. We're kind of sort of dealing with. This is exactly what I'm talking about. Like, science isn't perfect.

Cristina: No.

Jack: There's no equation we could run and just be like, it's over there.

Cristina: What if we had that quantum computer, though?

Jack: That quantum computer would get pretty f****** close.

Cristina: So. But not perfect.

Jack: Like, it would. It would. The better the quantum computer, the more accurate.

Cristina: Yeah, but there's no such thing as a perfect.

Jack: No. Because it would need infinite energy to calculate everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're thinking with a massively complicated quantum computer, we can not just do the surfaces of planets the way we've successfully done on certain things like the space engines and even video games have access to a lot of this technology now. But we're talking. Actually, I think Google Earth, if you zoom out far enough, you can get the galaxy Simcha. I'm not sure. But we have that technology available to render the outside pretty accurately.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're getting the. The idea of a quantum computer would essentially lead us to a computer that could render not just the surface but the inside of planets and like all the kind. But we wouldn't do it in the whole universe because it too much.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's. That's where the problem is.

Cristina: We can at least see our neighbors.

Jack: Yes, that help. We'll probably be able to do local things and that as it expands in complexity, we'll be able to do more.

Cristina: And more until we have a map.

Jack: Of the whole thing of our galaxy, maybe our galaxy galaxy. But we also have to be in certain places in order to get the proper angle for the computer. Because the computer still gonna process information it's receiving. It's not guessing.

Cristina: Yeah, we'll have the science.

Jack: Yeah, hopefully. But then that's the problem with religion.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because religion is also doing the same thing. They're just claiming, just like science, that, you know, we got the f****** answers. We know. And it's like meteor came or f****** planet was hurling our way. You don't f****** have anything. Religion is the same f****** way. It's like we know where everything's going when it's ending. How, why?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who's going where? White. They're going there. It's like you. You're basing all of this on a book of metaphors.

Cristina: Well, most people don't even know what the book is saying though.

Jack: I mean, the people who f****** wrote it know what the book is saying. Cryptic a** mess.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's all interpretation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's crazy as h***. It's all bigoted machista interpretations going on.

Cristina: So I don't know that's it's such a mess of a book. How is anyone getting any information from it?

Jack: The creation of the universe, nevertheless. Answers for human behavior nevertheless.

Cristina: Yes. When the end of the world is happening, what?

Jack: Things have their place. And we fail at realizing that things have their place. Religion has its place and so does science. And it is in that science should just be focusing on the objective and theology should just be focusing on. Because again, they're both religion. So theology should be focusing on the subjective and that should be the division you should use. The real purpose of religion. Right. Is a meditative tool. You might believe that there's literally something there that's totally fine.

Cristina: Whatever about the moral values you get from it.

Jack: That's where you're at. Exactly. That's where you're starting to land. That's the point one. When it comes to morality, that's neither religion nor science. That's pure or theology. I keep saying religion, neither theology or science. That's philosophy. Really? Really.

Cristina: It should. So it should stick to that, then.

Jack: It should stick to that. Because the problem is it's a way of thinking about things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To say blankly there is a right or wrong is something that science tries to do and something that religion tries to do. But in neither instance could you prove anything.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because in science, you would argue everything is ones and zeros. Nothing holds inherent meaning. Well, wrong. If I shot you, you would be very frustrated. Even if you couldn't feel pain, if you just knew you were shot, you're like, f***, you suck.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You need to feel pain. You're not gonna die. You just shot. You're just like. You're an a******. That was shot.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why do you feel that way?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Okay. In religion, they claim that everything is inherently good or bad, but you couldn't point at an example of either that you're basing the argument that this other thing is on.

Cristina: Where is this pure good or pure evil?

Jack: Exactly. How are we pretending there's any. But again, morality is neither. It's a way of thinking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Reference point of, well, what would bother me? Why would it bother me? Okay. These reasons, then that means it would probably bother them in a more or less similar fashion. Because we're more or less similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then use that generalization. There's already a guideline, a set of rules that you're like, I don't know where it came from, but it's there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Religion would say, that's not a f****** thing. That's all in your head. Religion would say, well, God put it there. Who cares? It's. There's some thing that's there.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy. Okay. Yes.

Jack: That's. That's all it is. It's all that matters. There's a thing that was f****** there.

Cristina: Mm. In you.

Jack: Not necessarily in you, but it's both objective that you can confirm with somebody else. Man, this would suck if this happened, right? Yeah. Yeah, it would suck if that happened. Why? If neither would have ever experienced it, I don't know, but I know it would suck.

Cristina: Yes. That's the way it should be.

Jack: You'd be an atheist and that would happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In fact, that is the argument for atheism.

Cristina: What is?

Jack: Well, we don't need religion to be moral people.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then what is morality, bro? It's not science either. It's not like science is like. Science is ones and zeros.

Cristina: Apparently they think there's morals in there.

Jack: They try to explain, to explain away morals. Oh, but you have the Sensation of morals.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While religion tries to say that for a fact there are morals. But also no. Because we're basing it all on our own opinions.

Cristina: Yes, we definitely have opinions. Yes, that's for sure.

Jack: That's for sure. We definitely have opinions. The weirdest thing, we could agree on these opinions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like pretty. Pretty heavily, universally.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To just say this is good, this.

Cristina: Is bad, but these are all just opinions.

Jack: They're all just opinions, but they're somehow universal opinions that we all agree with. It's sort of like the concept of creativity. What are you tuning into that allows you to see this thing that doesn't exist?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Whatever that is. Probably where morality comes from.

Cristina: Imagination.

Jack: We're like, being creative about our approach to perspective in general.

Cristina: Mm. I don't know. Where does that come from?

Jack: I have no idea. But I don't know why these things aim to do these things. They try to force so much crap onto one another. And the problem is they also have because so funny. They pretend they're not. They're not each other.

Cristina: You're saying they're the same thing? Yeah.

Jack: Theology and science pretend they're not each other, but they are both sides. I'm gonna take a scientist and a priest and say that they're both way committed to their sides. Scientist is. I'll say. I don't know why this is the comparison. But we'll say Neil Degrasse Tyson with the Pope.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the Pope will have to preach God. Yes. For a fact. He's up there. True, true. That woke truth God. Yeah. Sky Daddy team or whatever the f***. Team Sky Daddy.

Cristina: Who says that? Are religious people saying that?

Jack: Sky Daddy. I don't know.

Cristina: Those are people making fun of religious school, man.

Jack: Is that. They have a Sky Daddy. Come on.

Cristina: Yes, they have a Sky Daddy. Yeah. I mean, he's not in the sky, is he?

Jack: Dude, they swear. I mean, I don't know what they think.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Do they think there's no space?

Cristina: The space is very small, or.

Jack: No, not even that. Or. Man, it's weird because what do some people really think is happening, right?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's f****** strange. Like, do they think it's just like over the clouds, Heaven?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's like, wow, this is small.

Cristina: Like, you know in Mario, where there's a plant that grows, and then you can climb the plant and then there's clouds and you can step on the planet clouds.

Jack: Jack and the Beanstalk.

Cristina: Yes. But in Mario version, I guess that's based On Jack and the Beanstalk. Yeah. That's heaven.

Jack: Yeah. It's all the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, ultimately they are the same thing, though, because they both have the. The Golden Grail, which is what they both follow, which is their scripture.

Cristina: What is the scripture?

Jack: In theology, they have literal scripture that they call scripture.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in science, the scripture is science journals.

Cristina: Science journals.

Jack: Yeah. Let's discuss science journals real quick. It's a book written by people who aren't you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They've done, quote, research and run experiments that you don't know anything about and you can't and don't have the resources to replicate.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And then they put it in a book, and then other people, you don't know say, yes, true. And then they tell the rest of the world, and people are like, yeah, that's true.

Cristina: But those people that said, yeah, that's true. They tested it out.

Jack: Yeah, totally. How is that any different than the guy who saw Jesus? And the other guy's like, I saw him too.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it's like, right, But I didn't see Jesus. Where's Jesus? No, don't worry. I saw Jesus. Yes, and I saw him, too, but I didn't. You two saw him. How do I know you two aren't lying?

Cristina: He was on the toast. I ate him. I was hungry, was what. He was on the toast and I ate him because I was hungry.

Jack: Oh. But, yeah, that's pretty much how it goes. Science is that. That's science.

Cristina: It's religion.

Jack: It's religion.

Cristina: And so it's religion.

Jack: It's no better, no worse. It's just choosing to explain s*** differently. Yeah, I mean, I've given the example before, but let's do it again. We take science and we take theology.

Cristina: Let's.

Jack: Let's use the common American Western religion of the singular sky. Daddy, Jehovah. Jehovah, Papi, Jehovah. Right. So you have nothingness except for this one thing that exists and encompasses all that there is. We'll call that God or singularity, whatever. It was always there. And then it was like imma blink into existence. A bunch of s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so it happened. God started bringing crap in, and so the singularity blew up and started spewing out all the matter that would become crap. And as all the matter spewed out, first plans started to take shape. God was on that roll, too. Once he had the planets, started making the heavens and the water, the oceans and s***.

Cristina: But his orders are kind of weird, though. I don't know if his orders of making things made sense. I don't remember.

Jack: The order isn't necessarily important because all the parts were there.

Cristina: Yes, yes. The conclusion I guess is important.

Jack: Parts also, how do we know what order it happened for? It was Jello at the beginning.

Cristina: It was Jello.

Jack: Yeah. We barely got told that part. Everything was Jello.

Cristina: Was.

Jack: Yeah. It was so hot. Solids were impossible. Oh, solids only happen during cooling.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: That's why water becomes ice. Cuz cooler. But when water is really hot, it's just vapor. So it was so hot. Everything was first vapor, but then it got just warm. Just cool enough that it wasn't just vapor, it was Jello.

Cristina: So in the beginning there was Jello.

Jack: In the beginning there was Jello.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Couple of seconds into the creation.

Cristina: Okay, this is the science version. Yeah, it was Jello. Okay, cool.

Jack: So God then made planets and that Jello solidified and made some planets and stars and yeah, everything became spheres. Yeah, God made the sun. Stars happened in science circles are my favorite. That sun had enough gravity to pull matter together and made planets and. Well, science says that plans began. So you just follow the train of thought and all the same parts happen. You're trying to explain all the same things. Where do we go when we die? Well, neurology says, okay, religion, what happens when we die? Well, the Bible says when you die, you go to try and explain the same s***. Yes, just religion. Both are religion, theology and science.

Cristina: Especially when explaining death. It makes no sense for either. For either. Yeah. What?

Jack: Who the f*** are we to try to explain death?

Cristina: No. Yeah, there's no way we will know. Based on what exactly? I don't know.

Jack: It's ridiculous, isn't it? That being said, if we tried to prove death right, like what's on the other side? How the f*** would do that? If there was a way, what would be the way? It couldn't be religion. It would have to be science.

Cristina: It has to be.

Jack: Because you need to use something that we, that we could ourselves see. If it's subjective, it wouldn't work.

Cristina: Yeah, that's because like the dead guy.

Jack: Saw it, but the dead, he can't tell us. Yeah, we need a living person to see the other side.

Cristina: Science to find out what's happening.

Jack: They both serve their purpose. They both serve their purpose. Definitely. If you look at, in the case of science, you can, you can do a lot of things. We built cars and GPS and bunch of f****** s***. We're talking into microphones that are sending sound waves through a wire into a computer. That's Recording it. And then later that's gonna become a different kind of file that then is gonna be mass distributed to the planet. That's science.

Cristina: Yes. And they're evil.

Jack: The Bible didn't make that happen. But science tries to say that religion is unimportant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or I guess it in itself is religion. But theology. And theology does a couple of good things, which is it tells stories that allow us to understand the world differently. And at any given moment, theologies have the best idea. Now we're in such a technologically advanced, particularly the Western societies and the. I guess Asian societies are really, really like Eastern Asians are very advanced and a lot of the western culture that we are losing the purpose of religion because it was there to tell us stories that would protect us when we're in danger, give us anecdotes about bad places to be, bad behaviors to have conflicts that could happen as a result.

Cristina: But now we can just tell each other that through the Internet.

Jack: Yes. And so we don't need a lot of these things that came from religion. But spirituality is important.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It makes you feel connected. That's important. That's not just philosophy. There is something else happening when you're talking about spirituality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There is a thing you feel that isn't your emotions.

Cristina: Do you get spirituality from religion or is that its own?

Jack: It's a close estimate.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's a close way to get it. You can also get it from. I guess you could experience. You could get it from anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just religion seems to be the best at doing that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it's the best at making you feel connected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like everything is like in science. They're so boring with it. Ones and zeros. You are made of stardust. Great line, bro.

Cristina: Hey, that's sort of connected. That's a very connected thing.

Jack: The lack of explanation of. What does that mean? Well, you made of stardust means the same matter that blew out of the singularity spread out into the universe pretty evenly distributed and then started clumping together. And then that same thing eventually made oceans and made trees and made parasites that were alive and germs and cellular creatures started to get complicated. And these are same atoms still and particles and crap together forming that. You tell that story and you're like, oh, we're all connected. I made the same s*** you're made of. But if I'm like, we're all stardust, it's like. It sounds like some f****** song.

Cristina: It's beautiful. It's a beautiful story.

Jack: We're all made of stardust.

Cristina: Yes. It kind of sounds hippie ish. For something that's scientific.

Jack: Yeah. Religion is pretty hippie ish too. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's the fact that we try to force it down people's throats that is a really.

Cristina: Forcing down anything down people's throat is a problem, whether it's science or religion or whatever. I think that's the biggest thing.

Jack: Yeah. My biggest problem is how we all have the capacity to believe in things that we've not proven ourselves.

Cristina: And then forcing it through other people's throats.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Sleeves. Like why?

Jack: That's weird and complicated, right? Yes, man. Cuz we don't know s*** about s***. We're really winging it pretty f****** hard.

Cristina: Why can't we just be honest about that?

Jack: I don't know. We're scared of the unknown crap.

Cristina: That's what we're. That's why we have all this in the first place.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're scared of the unknown. That's why we have it in the first place. Because we're scared of the unknown.

Cristina: That's why we have science and religion and Etc.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because we're scared.

Jack: And we need answers. And those of us who don't have the skills to practice these things actively will just take whatever answers they give us. Because it's better than not having any clue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then incorrect information beats no information.

Cristina: I understand. But still, why give it? Why force it onto other people?

Jack: My. My big problem is why do we have a fear of the unknown?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like what's wrong with it? Everything is unknown. We don't really know s***. Come on, man.

Cristina: That's why people need to check out Alan Watts. Then they'll see, like.

Jack: Yeah, it's all meaningless.

Cristina: It's all meaningless. But it's a good meaningless thing.

Jack: I mean, that's all about.

Cristina: It's really about just enjoying the moment.

Jack: The problem is the four answers to the glass. Half full or half empty.

Cristina: What?

Jack: There are too many variants of how you can take the same information.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: The glass is half empty. Yay. There's more for me to do. The glass is half empty. F***. Half is already done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glass is half full. Ah. Half the work is done. Sweet. The glass is half full. F***. Somebody has already filled out this part. Like, it sucks. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's really like there's no right. And every individual basis.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's why we have the two different systems the same way. The glass is Half full or half empty. We have religion and science. Two different sides.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To kind of try to grasp everybody. Some people are more critical thinkers. Some people are more emotional. Some people require a little more spiritual feeding. Some people don't have a spirit. They're like borderline sociopaths. And so they do the numbers thing. Cold as f***.

Cristina: Whatever. I guess it all fits.

Jack: It's meant for somebody.

Cristina: It's meant for someone, but it's all.

Jack: Doing the same s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then enter philosophy. The. The winner guy. Daddy. Of the f****** ideologies of the religions.

Cristina: The sky daddy.

Jack: Yeah, we got theology and we got science. But, like, they both rely heavily on philosophy.

Cristina: Well, they both look down on philosophy.

Jack: Too, though, which is so funny, because they depend entirely. There's nothing they could do without it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They think they're the next step.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not. Because science is what you get when you make philosophy rigid. And religion is what you get when you strip out the thinking part.

Cristina: Strip out the thing. That sounds bad. Yeah, it's not bad, I guess. You don't need to be thinking all the time.

Jack: You don't need to be thinking all the time.

Cristina: Your brain needs a break.

Jack: Yeah. If you're thinking all the. And that's another problem. We've deluded ourselves to think that.

Cristina: That we have to be thinking.

Jack: You have to be thinking. The act of meditation is training to not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which we gotta train into. Because of how programmed we are to think all the time.

Cristina: Yeah, I have that problem. Yes, I know.

Jack: The idea is going back to the fact that you mentioned Alan Watts. A person who thinks too much spends their time thinking about thoughts. And you're not present. You're just worried about thoughts that aren't happening.

Cristina: And then you're wasting your life away. Yeah. It's very depressing.

Jack: What's the point of thinking about thoughts? You're not. You're thinking about thoughts. You're not experiencing anything else to think about.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Go and experience emotion, then think about it. You got to be there to experience it. If you're thinking thoughts while you're there, you're not experiencing the thing. You're blocking out the experience by thinking thoughts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Experience it later. Have thoughts about it.

Cristina: So it's. It's so, so sad. But, yeah, it's beautiful.

Jack: Alan Watts, philosophy. Right there.

Cristina: It's perfect.

Jack: Stop thinking thoughts.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's getting in the way of life.

Cristina: Yes. It's getting in the way.

Jack: Yeah. You thinking thoughts is getting in the way of your life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a weird thing. To be told by anybody. You're thinking too many thoughts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the f*** else would I be thinking? Nothing. You'd be thinking nothing. Stop thinking thoughts. Think nothing.

Cristina: Just be.

Jack: Just be present. Do what you're doing. Roll with it. Be impulsive, whatever. Who gives a s***? Be present.

Cristina: Yeah. And that doesn't mean, like, not do. Like, if you like science or philosophy, like, whatever. Still do those things. Yeah.

Jack: But don't be rigid about any of it. Yeah, well, we gotta follow these rules. Neil does not have fun in life. That's why trolls have way more fun than Neil. Neil Degrasse Tyson is a miserable man.

Cristina: He said trolls, though. How do you compare trolls to this?

Jack: The idea here is that a troll finds it funny. They'll laugh it off. Neil gets kind of angry. It's like the difference between me and you, dude, is I have more fun in life because I laugh at it. I found it funny. Life better. You found it something that had to be corrected, explained. And that's problematic because you're angry at the fact that it's not happening the way you want it to happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's weird. But it's sort of the reality of the matter. It is f****** weird. I don't. I don't understand, but it is. I guess it is a f****** fear of the unknown. That's always. I don't know where that comes from, though. Evolutionary. Right, we're just evolutionary f****** scared of what we don't know.

Cristina: Yes. That's probably the explanation. Most likely has to be right.

Jack: Because animals are scared of what they don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this.

Cristina: They all do.

Jack: Defense mechanism.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's survival. The problem is we became symbolic, metaphoric creatures seeking meaning in the fabric of the universe, which is all riddled with unknowns. So we get to think about the unknowns rather than just instinctively be afraid of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then religion and science happen, and.

Cristina: Then we're trapped in our own thought loops.

Jack: We're thinking too many thoughts. And that is science and religion. We're just f***** bouncing between these two. We're either one or the other. We're arguing against one or the other.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And forcing people. No. You're gonna go to h***. But you don't know that. Somebody told you that. And the guy who told you that didn't study it. Didn't go prove that s***. You just got given the answers. Yeah. So many people f****** claim to be religious and have never picked up a single Bible. I find that magnificently hilarious.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, I'm a Christian. Oh, yeah. What did Paul say? Who's Paul?

Cristina: No way.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Okay, that's how bad it gets, dude.

Jack: That's how bad it gets. It's just like. But look, if you say like, I believe there's something greater than me, that's fine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm Christian. Are you though, bruh?

Cristina: You test them out.

Jack: Even worship, bruh. You even worship, bruh. I guess at that point that's how you gotta treat these people the way you do. Like people who wear banties.

Cristina: What are band tees?

Jack: T shirts with band names on them.

Cristina: Oh, band T's.

Jack: Yeah. You gotta be like, name three songs. I'm a Christian. Alright. Name three apostles.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Name three apostles, bruh.

Cristina: Then name three things they said.

Jack: Name three things they each represented. Yeah, let's go. It's like, what?

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Which one of the apostles did Quizdom tribute night? You Christian? All right, come to my house. You Christian? All right, come to my house. At this time tomorrow, we're gonna see if you're Christian. Have a whole group of people there just to like quiz them and prove that they're not or they are or whatever.

Cristina: Yes. Why hasn't the church done something like this? This is amazing.

Jack: It's great, right? Just make the Christian. The church wants a lie and say there's more Christians than there are. Oh, that's anybody.

Cristina: Then they have a problem with everyone.

Jack: I mean. Yeah, because the church doesn't give a s*** about the Bible or Jesus Christ. Okay, the church pretends it does, but the church is really just run by government and government is run by rich racists, which is why it's like, well, women have to f****** do this and do that. And like, we can't have gays either in the Bible and in church because, you know, we're straight white men. That's scary to us because we probably, probably suck d*** secretly and we don't want people to know. We're gonna judge us on d*** sucking. Like you're billionaire, dude. Nobody gives a f***.

Cristina: They're all child molesters.

Jack: So they are. That's where it gets f*****. Which is also approved by religion, specifically the Catholic Church.

Cristina: They're all. All of them. Yeah. All the religious, all the governmental. All of it.

Jack: They like to f*** all the children all the time. God, that's always a topic on this show.

Cristina: It's hard to ignore.

Jack: It is so hard. Anytime we discuss religion, we sudd the Catholics. Look the other way.

Cristina: Just them. It's so many organizations, but it's like people way heavily.

Jack: Yeah, way heavily. The Catholic Church.

Cristina: Yes. But it's everyone.

Jack: It's everyone. But not in vast majority everywhere. No, it's like heavily. Like if we grabbed all the people, molesting all the people, like a good 90% of them are just priests.

Cristina: That's how much hardcore, bro. That's.

Jack: No, that's hardcore. And they get away with it. That's a problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How many of them never get caught?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Just f*** the people growing up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Just ruined hella lives. That's a monster though.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Functioning great in society. Sociopathic bullshit going on. D***. It's safe to assume that a lot of press, a lot of priests are a bit sociopathic. Right. Maybe they gotta disconnect. Unless it's an emotional urge. Oh no, I gotta f***, I gotta f*** em. It's like, bro, I don't know.

Cristina: I really want to know now.

Jack: That's what it's interesting, right? Like if we could test these people. Are they sociopaths? Is just a church run by sociopaths or do they have a problem? It's like a real problem.

Cristina: Like I gotta find out if anyone actually found that out. I'm sure they must have. Right? They must have questioned these guys.

Jack: I think because they're religious figures, we treat them differently then being curious and being like, bro, are you f****** these kids because you don't like care that they're gonna be ruined in the future? Or you have no self control despite knowing that they have a f***** future if you do this.

Cristina: I wonder how many choose the first answer.

Jack: It's nuts. They're just like, I don't give a f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: F***, let the kids have crappy lives. I don't give s***. Oh my gosh, I need to get my willy wet. And then God's gonna. I just go pray later and I'm cool.

Cristina: What about those sisters? Why they gotta touch the kids? There are plenty sisters.

Jack: They rape them too.

Cristina: They do, yes.

Jack: Crazy known.

Cristina: I thought the sisters were just having like female parties on their own.

Jack: Well, like touching each other and whatnot. Yeah, I mean probably. But I know that a bunch of the nuns casually the priests, because they're also not getting laid.

Cristina: But they're not being raped. Or are they being raped.

Jack: Some of them are.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's a lot of things going on. Oh, it's like yay religion.

Cristina: Yeah. Sounds like those horror stories from being in jail or whatever prison. The cops raping the prisoners or whatever for the fun of it. Because they're prisoners. I don't know what the whole thing.

Jack: It'S Usually male cops raping female inmates.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty horrible.

Jack: That's just horn dogs who are like, I'll get away with it. And then they go pray. God is gonna forgive him. God's gonna forgive him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus will forgive them because he forgives. That's a weird thing about the Old and New Testament. The Jesus thing, the God thing. Jehovah is two different guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're vastly different people. The first dude is wrathful, destructive, jealous, angry, savage. Which tells us he's a demigod in the first place. Why do you have emotions, bro?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, whatever. Yeah, you can't just blink his problems away. Very angry and just can't blink it away. Nope. Yeah, totally logical, bro. That's. That's exactly what it is. You hate it all. You want to destroy it all, but you can't. Sweet.

Cristina: But he does. And then he brings it back. Or is someone else doing that?

Jack: The best he could do is flood it. He couldn't get rid of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Just made it rain. Apparently, he's a God of weather.

Cristina: Yes. Is that how he's done. Whoa.

Jack: He destroyed and he sent. I think he made fire fall from the sky too.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, he has done some things. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Gave Moses the power to split the oceans.

Cristina: Wait, so he can give people powers?

Jack: He gave him a stick with powers. Maybe that was just a tool that the gods use.

Cristina: He controls the weather. Is he the Earth because he gave him a stick and it's magical? Maybe he's just Earth.

Jack: Gaia.

Cristina: Yeah. What if he was Gaia all along?

Jack: That would make sense. Gaia is, like, a pretty ancient God. I think it actually predates Jehovah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. There you go. Jehovah is just Gaia in disguise. I guess.

Jack: I mean, considering that Christianity is just Greek mythology. Well, it's just Judaism, and Judaism is Greek mythology, and Greek mythology is a Norse mythology, and Norse mythology is Hinduism. It's possible the Hinduism just comes from. From the original understanding and labeling from natives of different cultures that talked about Gaia. That talked about Gaia.

Cristina: Mm. What is that? What does that do?

Jack: Tells me when I get a message.

Cristina: Is it from this conversation or that's from something else?

Jack: No, nobody here has sent us a message.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But, yeah, I don't know. I think it's real f***** up that people force the unknown on people as if it's totally known.

Cristina: Religion or science. It's all the same.

Jack: Science knows a lot, but it also doesn't have a finite answer for anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It can't just be like for a.

Cristina: Fact, but they want you to believe it's believe.

Jack: I would say theology, out of the two has the least amount of way specific answers, but also it doesn't need specific answers because it's a subjective experience guidebook.

Cristina: Yeah. You're not supposed to be. The questions that you're trying to answer with the Bible doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah. It's about you internally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How you feel, how your emotions are. Your spirit just way abstract and personal versus objective, which is science.

Cristina: Mm. You can just divide the two.

Jack: Yeah. You have to think of that as two very different things that function together.

Cristina: And they would function together if you were thinking of it like that. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Theology and religion do great together. Do great, great, great, great, great together.

Cristina: As long as they're not competing to answer the same questions. That doesn't even make sense.

Jack: That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It should just be things that you can create and base and understand from science and things that allow you to feel like a good person. Understand basic moral principles, family values. I'd suggest everybody become a Mormon. Yes. It's a stupid f****** religion that makes no sense. Also, their family values are better than every family value everywhere. You literally have to make time for your family. Go be a Mormon. Learn to love people.

Cristina: Those aren't the people that kick out their children if they don't want to continue that life or something.

Jack: You mean the Amish?

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know. They're very similar in my mind.

Jack: The Amish are the. Are you talking about Orthodox Jews as well?

Cristina: I don't. There's a couple of them.

Jack: There's a couple of these people out there.

Cristina: Mormons live. Do they live the same as the Amish, though?

Jack: No, they're just people.

Cristina: Okay. They don't live in farms. No.

Jack: They don't live in a house.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like anybody else.

Cristina: And they use electricity and all that.

Jack: They're super normal.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: You might know mad Mormons and not even know it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It might just be surrounding you. They're just people.

Cristina: They're just people. Okay.

Jack: They're just Christians.

Cristina: All right. Amish. They're not.

Jack: No. Those aren't humans at all. Those are weird freaks of nature who are like.

Cristina: Those are people. But they're. It's not a religious thing. It's a life choice.

Jack: Both.

Cristina: It's both.

Jack: It's a life choice based on religion.

Cristina: What religion?

Jack: The. I believe it's Judaism.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Amish or Jews? If I'm not mistaken. They are the Orthodox Jews.

Cristina: Oh. Are you positive?

Jack: I think so. I'm pretty, like, heavily sure. I could be wrong. But then that means that these two groups are very similar.

Cristina: Oh, the Jews and the Amish.

Jack: The Orthodox Jews and the Amish.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I think the Amish are the Orthodox Jews. I'm not entirely sure on how that breaks down, but that seems right.

Cristina: Let's become Amish. Let's live by them. We don't have to be living with them to be their neighbors. Or they can't have neighbors.

Jack: I will never be Amish.

Cristina: I don't want to be Amish. I just want to be a neighbor of Amish.

Jack: Go live next to Amish people then.

Cristina: That's crazy. No, I mean, yes, let's go.

Jack: You can go.

Cristina: I could go. Okay, I'll go.

Jack: I have no reason to go.

Cristina: I need my podcast people to come with me.

Jack: You can take the whole crew.

Cristina: Yes, I want the whole crew to come with me.

Jack: Everybody's going.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: They're just all living over there?

Cristina: Yes, all. All of us. There's a lot of people. I know, but we'll make it work. We'll get one house.

Jack: You mean basically start your own Amish community?

Cristina: I guess so. Yes. We're gonna start an Amish community.

Jack: Start an Amish community. But the reason they do this because of religion is because they believe that electricity is unnatural.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so anything using it is also unnatural. It's not something God put on earth for us.

Cristina: Are they sure that electricity isn't something God gave us?

Jack: It's definitely something God gave us.

Cristina: Because I feel like. Yeah, that's exactly where it's coming from. It is natural.

Jack: Yeah, but they think like technology and crap like that.

Cristina: Oh, okay. How we use it. Interesting. I don't know. Because then they're doing the same with the wood from trees. It's not. Not that. The same thing. I don't like. What's the difference?

Jack: I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Cristina: That they can destroy trees to build houses and stuff like that.

Jack: Right. So the house isn't natural.

Cristina: Yes, but that's the same thing with the electricity. The electricity is natural. What you do with it is unnatural.

Jack: Yes. So the tree is natural. What you do with it is unnatural.

Cristina: Exactly. So.

Jack: Except animals do what you do with the tree. I think that's where the base. What would an animal do?

Cristina: But we're not animals.

Jack: We totally are. Except that's science, right? Oh, not religion. Because man was made already as man, according to religion.

Cristina: Okay, wait, so then there are.

Jack: I don't know where the argument is. Yeah, I don't know where the argument comes from.

Cristina: Yes. Because in religion, we are just. We're humans. Animals are animals. That's what you're saying. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Then.

Jack: Well, in science, we can. We're all the same.

Cristina: We're all the same. Yes.

Jack: Theory of evolution. Because again, nobody's proven we came from s***. Yeah, it's a theory that we came from s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: From true, literal poop. From s***. We came from s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Us? Everybody.

Cristina: Everyone.

Jack: There was a t*** at the beginning, a magical t***. And of that magical t*** stepped out the first bipedal who later became a human. And now we poop the Earth.

Cristina: We do poop, but everyone poops.

Jack: Isn't that like a child book?

Cristina: Everyone poops. I don't know.

Jack: It's a book for kids who are scared to poop because they're ashamed of pooping.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I feel like that makes sense. Why would they be shamed of pooping?

Jack: And training A puppy, maybe?

Cristina: Yeah, they're training the child. But why would you need a story to tell you how to poop or something? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: I mean, you always knew how to poop, but they're telling you. I guess that's potty training. It's like you're pooping in a different space other than on yourself. You used to poop in yourself.

Cristina: Some kids are afraid of toilets, I think.

Jack: And everybody poops in the toilet.

Cristina: Yeah. You gotta show them that it's not scary.

Jack: This is also where the programming comes in, right?

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: Religion and science. There's a follow the line mentality.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that happens with pooping.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Which is like, well, look, Timmy, everyone else uses the toilet. That's how you should use the toilet. What if Timmy wants to take a s*** outside? What if Timmy doesn't want to follow the conventional f****** rule? Society, Bill. What if Timmy's like, f*** the man?

Cristina: Well, he should at least understand where the man's coming from. But, like, before he decides.

Jack: But like, they're 100% like, no, everyone else does it, so you must do it. We do it, so you do it. And you're doing it just because we do it. You don't have to do it, but.

Cristina: You have to do it. All the education into a child is, though.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody else is doing this. You shut the f*** up. Don't think about it. Just do it. Yes, this is what it is.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay. We're just. We're pretty much made like that.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways. Anyways. Science and religion are the same s***. Is the summary here. And you can not use either to prove that. We're not going to hurt you.

Cristina: We're not going to. We're not going to hurt you. What are you talking about?

Jack: To make them get listeners.

Cristina: Oh, okay. We never do that.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. We might be all talk.

Cristina: Yeah, we're all talk.

Jack: All threats. All threats. Maybe I'm making promises and maybe nobody has broken their side of the deal. Do you want to be the first? Do you want to be the first?

Cristina: Okay, that sounds like a threat.

Jack: Fair. It went from a warning to a promise to a threat.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Let's go. I'm on a roll. Anyways, if you guys like these conversations where we bash religion and science because they're equally stupid. Also, the Earth is definitely round and flat. Actually, I found the answer to that. What was it? It's a tycohe. A tegohedron. It's a little bit flat and a little bit round. It's the answer that pleases everybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So if you guys are confused about which one it is, find the middle ground, which is what I always say. Maybe the Earth is neither flat nor round. Maybe it's a little bit flat in a round kind of way.

Cristina: It's an eyeball.

Jack: There's a galaxy. That's an eyeball.

Cristina: That's cool. That's pretty cool.

Jack: Actually. I think it's a nebula.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: I don't know. There's weird s*** out there. Yes, it's probably an eyeball. Dude, all jokes, design. Anyways, you can find all that s*** on. You find all of it. All our stuff, all our things at. Actually, before that, there's. There's a bunch of episodes like this, by the way, a crap ton.

Cristina: We have one comparing science and religion with magic or one or the other with magic. I'm not sure. I think science with magic.

Jack: Science with magic. Interesting.

Cristina: I'm not sure if religion was in that.

Jack: There's a couple of us just talking about how f****** pedophilic religion is. A couple of that. That's all over the place. You stroll by accident, you'll land in that topic. It comes up too often. And anyways, you can find that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify and anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, instagram and TikTok. Usconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe because why the f*** not leave us a just hit? Subscribe people, and you'll enjoy the show. And you can also rate it. That's great. Leave ratings. That helps people, and specifically us, and leave a review telling us, you guys are so cool. You guys are so awesome. You guys are the coolest.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, Word of mouth, totally awesome. Very important. It's. It's very important that you just share your kindness with everybody and tell them, look, today we're gonna learn about the comparison of religion and science and I guess theology and science. I keep mixing them up. Changeable to some degree. The problem is that science is also religion. So if I say religion, I mean theology and science.

Cristina: Okay, Religion and religion.

Jack: Yeah, religion and religion. Religion, religion. You can about learn about religion, religion. And if you want to learn about religion, religion, you're here, man. Listen to the show. You can totally do that.

Cristina: And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening, but maybe they just want to stand out.

Jack: Although it's about respect. I remember on the NPR show that they mentioned. What the f*** was it called? It's an NPR show, kind of like Radiolab but for court stuff. And they mentioned that the reason that they were wearing the robes in the first place was to seem like real authority based people and really stand out. And it was all dark and serious looking.

Cristina: So people before they were actually taken seriously.

Jack: Yes, that's part of the reason they started being taken seriously. But like now we know you're the judge, we don't need you to wear that.

Cristina: But if they're not dressing that and then someone just comes in a suit and then sits on that chair, you don't know if that's the judge or.

Jack: Not or if that's just some. Every officer in that court knows who that is.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Elin Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.06 Tales of Duality & Global Consciousness

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Guest Jesus Pagan returns to discuss everything from creativity, spirituality, theology, chaos theory and more.

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  • Netflix Productions
  • Anime
  • Philosophy
  • Spiritualism
  • Creationism
  • Reality

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Rambling 133: The Reason for Butts

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Why do we love big butts? Why is it something we can’t lie about? What is the purpose of butts to begin with? And how do we solve the little but problem? The origin and evolution of butts discussed in this episode of Just Conversation!

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  • Baboon Butts
  • Mating Rituals
  • Humps
  • Psychological Geometry
  • Smart Butts
  • Wombat Armored Butt
  • Butt Syrup
  • Turtle Butt Air
  • Magical Soul Butt Ball
  • Ass Diving Little Green Men
  • The Dragon King
  • Team Rocket

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to grab somebody and force them to listen with you. It's an obligation. The government made it law. The president passed that law to force.

Cristina: People to listen to it.

Jack: To force people to listen to. Yeah, this happened a couple of days ago. The President put a bill that went straight to the Senate and House of Congress, and the judges also ruled on it. And.

Cristina: And it's only law here in this country. It's not the world.

Jack: It's in the world. The President made a law that the world has to follow.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: It just works.

Cristina: I don't think.

Jack: So he went ahead and he sat down and grabbed this pen and he scribbled. He scribbled on this piece of paper. He's like, they will listen. They will listen.

Cristina: And they did listen.

Jack: Well, no, he passed the bill. And then from that day forward, everybody has to sit their a** down and listen.

Cristina: I don't know why the world has to listen to.

Jack: The world has to listen to him.

Cristina: That makes no sense.

Jack: Because nukes.

Cristina: Because nukes.

Jack: Because nukes. War happens. If you don't listen to the Just Conversation podcast, if you don't make somebody listen to the Just Conversation, it's more important.

Cristina: It's not about listening. It's about making someone listen.

Jack: Yeah, you gotta find people, sit them down and make them listen.

Cristina: Why? Okay. Yes. Okay. So you're listening now. Are you listening? Okay, good, good.

Jack: Yeah. If they can hear this, it's because they sat their a**** down and they're listening.

Cristina: Okay, people, I need you guys to use your imagination while I ask you something. What animals have big butts?

Jack: What animals have big butts?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Baboons.

Cristina: Baboons. Rampoons do have big butts. Why do you think they have such big butts for?

Jack: I don't know. Because they don't really sit on their butts as often as you'd think.

Cristina: It's gotta be a mating thing.

Jack: You think they use it to. It's like the bird's feathers.

Cristina: The bigger and redder the butts, the more attractive it looks.

Jack: That's what it is.

Cristina: Yes. It's like a competition.

Jack: Who has the biggest, reddest b***.

Cristina: Yes. And then they get the mate. I mean, whoever, I guess. I don't know how they compete in this contest. It's not like a human contest type of thing. Who knows? Maybe they offer walk in front of the guy, show the b*** or whatever. Dance with her b*** sticking out. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Jack: The chick is the one competing here?

Cristina: Yes, it's the chick competing. Whoa.

Jack: It's usually the guy.

Cristina: Yep. But.

Jack: So butts are, like, universally a guy thing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoa. Interesting.

Cristina: That is so weird. But yes.

Jack: Or is it just a primate thing?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: It's like apes.

Cristina: Like apes. I don't know if apes like. But I know human men like butts.

Jack: You just mentioned an ape that likes butts.

Cristina: Except. Oh, yeah, I guess that ape. But that's a specific type. I don't know if all apes.

Jack: Yeah. Because most apes don't have butts.

Cristina: Yeah. They weren't made like that. I don't know.

Jack: But if they did have butts, the men would be the one who liked those butts.

Cristina: Yes. Is that weird?

Jack: That's pretty strange, considering in every other thing ever that's ever happened in all of history and time, it's the female who gets to choose, not the male.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's really just a monkey thing. We're just like, no, we, the man, we pick. What the f***?

Cristina: So you get it from your monkey brothers back then when we chose by butts?

Jack: Yeah, I guess. I guess that makes an argument for coming from baboons.

Cristina: Yeah. You think we come from baboons? I don't come from baboons. Yeah.

Jack: I think we come from chimpanzees, actually. I'm not entirely sure.

Cristina: Maybe if they care about butts. Their butts are different, though, from our butts.

Jack: They don't got butts.

Cristina: They don't have butts.

Jack: Chimpanzees don't have butts.

Cristina: Well, primates. Their butts, though, are different from our butts.

Jack: But boon. Butts are different from our butts. I guess it would be the closest to our butts. Yeah, but like you're talking about, the area where their a****** is located is very different.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes.

Cristina: Is that weird? I don't know, because. I guess it's because we're using our butts differently. Our legs, our bottom part of our body is used differently. Like they're using theirs to climb things.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, we're. We have this b*** to help us somehow run.

Jack: The b*** helps us run.

Cristina: Yes. And sit of course.

Jack: Well, it helps us sit. How does it help us run?

Cristina: I don't know. Somehow the design of the b*** is helping us walk and run the way we do. Which it doesn't help with primates, the way, like, they don't run like we run.

Jack: So to get this straight, we started walking. Those of us that began to walk up straight and that became our advantage over the other creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That couldn't see so far over the grass. Those just developed butts. Like, they got booty cheeks.

Cristina: Who has booty cheeks?

Jack: All this. All the primates began standing to see.

Cristina: Farther through the grass. Yeah.

Jack: That's why they survived longer. They can come down from the trees and see a predator further away.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they can look over the grass while others struggle to do that for longer. In fact, we can just keep walking standing upright while the other apes couldn't do that. And so we could see some, like, creature in a distance.

Cristina: Yeah. So those develop butts. Yeah. And we're part of those.

Jack: Yeah. But so just, just being, just doing that gave us a**** like.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like plump booties.

Cristina: Yes. Well, there's theories of why men are attracted to butts. So it might be a thing like you evolved in us to have a nicer looking b***.

Jack: Evolutionary purposes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You gotta be able to meet more.

Cristina: Yes. No. Is that. Yeah. But butts. But it's more than just the b*** that men are attractive to, oddly enough. It's the curve of the b***. Of the b***. Yes. The back b*** thing. It has to be a specific 45.5 degrees. That's the magic number.

Jack: Yeah. Because it can't be 90 degrees. It's too much. It has to be like a particular slant. And that also applies not just to the b*** cheeks from behind, looking at it from the side, but the hips that form the b*** cheek as well from the front and the back, which gives the hourglass shape. It's that general region.

Cristina: Do you know why, though? Like, why that specific. Why such a specific degree?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: I guess it's the optimal shape. It's as hourglassy as it gets. Any more and you start losing hourglass shape. Any less and you start losing hourglass shape. It's about 45 degrees.

Cristina: Yeah. They like when they were testing out how. What about big butts, Men, like, they tried different things besides the curve because they thought that was weird. It was a curve. The excess fat or excess muscle. Those three different options.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And the curve would win. So it's really about that curve yeah, yeah.

Jack: We want meaty a**.

Cristina: And they think it allows. They think men. That curve helps women to walk around and easily when they're pregnant and stuff. So they can find food and things. So they think evolutionary. It was just a benefit for the lady. That's why guys find it attractive.

Jack: How do they find food? Because of their b***.

Cristina: Like, they could walk around without injuring their back or anything. It's not a pain to be when they're pregnant to do things that they would normally do when they're not pregnant.

Jack: Why would their back hurt less? Because they have a b***?

Cristina: Because of the curve. The curve is the thing we're talking about. Like, it's part of the b***, but it's the curve that's connecting to the b*** is helping the pain. Not pain, but the back.

Jack: I guess it's sort of diffusing the center force. It's bringing it more towards the center by having something extra sticking in that direction. While you have something sticking in that direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now you're more centered, and then you.

Cristina: Can do more things, and therefore you're more helpful.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: So that's interesting. Yeah. The degree. Who cares? I mean, I guess we can.

Jack: Everything is math. Everything is math.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why do people like pizza?

Cristina: Why do people like pizza?

Jack: It's a circle cut into triangles that you put in a box.

Cristina: But then wouldn't all foods be something like that? Are they all like that?

Jack: No. They either taste good or something like pizza that, when you really break it apart, doesn't really. And it also looks kind of like vomit.

Cristina: I feel like hot dogs aren't the greatest looking or the greatest tasting, but people still eat that cylindrical. The shape of it.

Jack: Yeah. It's like a perfect cylinder. That's why when math goes into something, the taste and look of it goes out the window.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, if it tastes good, it doesn't matter what it looks like. And it doesn't matter if it's in a specific shape.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if it isn't tasting good and it doesn't look good, then it's the shape that's doing it.

Cristina: The shape.

Jack: In the case of pizza, the cheese itself isn't like the people think it's the cheese. People like cheese.

Cristina: But she's not great.

Jack: It's not doing enough.

Cristina: It's not doing enough.

Jack: In fact, you can find out that the favored pizzas in the world are all where the slice itself is the most triangular, really. If the slice is too long.

Cristina: But there are weirdos that like the square pizza.

Jack: Yeah. And that's why Those aren't that popular. Think about it.

Cristina: Ah, they're not that popular.

Jack: No. Because it's a box inside of a box. Who cares?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, you can locate all of these problems. The more that the more triangular it is, the more people like it.

Cristina: That's a sexy pizza.

Jack: Sexy pizza.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And the more solid the triangle, the better as well. So like, people definitely enjoy holding a domino slice, which is shorter and way more triangular.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Than like a Pizza Hut really long one that like bends towards the tip because it's so like it's not solid. Even if out of all of them, obviously Papa John's is the healthy alternative. It tastes better.

Cristina: It tastes better.

Jack: But Papa John's doesn't have that perfect domino's shape. Yeah, domino's is made of garbage. It's just all poison that they're putting into there. Not to say Papa John's isn't. But out of all the options, Papa John's is the closest to healthy you can possibly get. Not that it's healthy, but you know.

Cristina: What if you made it at home?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Wouldn't that taste better or it wouldn't because you wouldn't be able to make it as perfect as the domino one.

Jack: Well, it's not the taste, it's the shape. No matter what that's pleasing you.

Cristina: The shape of it.

Jack: Yeah. You're convinced if it could taste like crap, you're convinced it tastes good because the shape.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What? Oh. And. And another reason men love big butts or women with big butts is that women with big butts are smarter and have smarter children. Something to do with the fatty stuff that's in there? I don't know. There's some magic stuff thing in the b*** that helps makes more kids. There's a unique fatty acid that's inside the woman's beauty that's stored in the fat of the b*** that is important to the baby's development. Brain for the baby's brain.

Jack: So bigger b***, smarter kid.

Cristina: Yes. There you go. That's your reason to start hunting for big butts. It's not about the curve. Although you could explain it as the curve, but like that makes you look crazy. If you went to people like, I need 40 set 45.5% degree curve. Before I'm with you have to like check it with a, I guess a ruler or something. I'm not sure how people are checking this out.

Jack: It was sort of be like a ruler. It's a two sided ruler.

Cristina: A two sided ruler? Yeah.

Jack: You know where you know those rulers that you use? Not a ruler, but that thing you use, like when you want to draw a perfect circle, you like put the pencil in the thing and you lock it and it has a pointy end and you put that and you spin it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's a ruler that has that shape and basically as you open it, all it does is tell you how much degrees open it is.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Then you put that next to your a** and you're like, oh, 45, that's the one.

Cristina: I think I'm gonna be that weird person. I want to get that and check it out on people and try to.

Jack: Find the perfect 45 degree booty.

Cristina: Yes. What if I have it? I hope I do. Who knows?

Jack: You hope you have a perfect 45 degree booty?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You gotta buy that ruler.

Cristina: I will. And also, but that's a great reason to look for people with big butts is you just say I want smart.

Jack: Children and big butts equals smart children.

Cristina: Yeah, there you go. It makes so much sense.

Jack: So there's biological sense to want a nice a**. So all this bullshit about all a**** matter, you know, all shapes matter. What about small booty chicks? No, she's gonna have a r*****.

Cristina: What if she does surgery? Then you don't even know.

Jack: That's where being, that's where plastic surgery is a problem. Because she's gonna have fake big booty. And so your kids are gonna. And it's because she lied to you and pretended she had a big booty.

Cristina: Yes, of course.

Jack: But at the end of the day, survival, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So from their perspective, that's also like allowed because you have to survive by making children. By making children. Even if your children gonna be dumb because your b*** is small.

Cristina: I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Jack: It should be that apparently based on this information, all women with flat booties should die alone is what we're finding out.

Cristina: That's not what we're finding out.

Jack: That's exactly what this information said. It said we need to remove all the Hispanics from the camps we have so that we have space to start moving in the flat booted women so that we could just remove them from society. Because think about it, maybe the problem is that so many women have been creating fake booties and then guys have been mating with these women with fake booties and now those kids have grown up and run the world. Ah, that's the problem.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: That's the problem.

Cristina: Isn't it recent? This whole Big fake booty thing. Like those children aren't old enough to run the real world.

Jack: Those children were born in the 90s.

Cristina: But it's become super popular, like in the tens.

Jack: Rap made it popular, but.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's still the surgery, the expense and everything. Like now people could do it more easily.

Jack: Oh yeah, it's going to be more of a problem. Yeah, but before the fact that these flat booties women were coming across like they had big booties and they were allowed to mate instead of being sanitized.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: You see the problem? So now what we have is flat bootied women mating and having dumb children. And then those dumb children being in their early 20s right now.

Jack: And they're the ones who are over here. But like those are the gen f******. What is it Z? Is that what the f*** they are? Gen X? I don't know, whatever the f******. The dumb kid, the Tide pod retards. Those morons are out here trying to like activism and cancel everything and like no, everything is wrong and, and, and gender. 3 million different names and there's definitely difference between women and men. Except if they want to do the same jobs and like what the f***? Oh my God. That's the same group of people that happened because flat bootied women pretended to have big booties and they made it. We shouldn't allow that. We found the problem.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. What would you trade that for? The baboon booties.

Jack: What do you mean baboon booties?

Cristina: Like do you wish women had big.

Jack: Red booties so that we can tell like your booty isn't red enough? You're bullshitting. Yeah, like your booty might be big, but it ain't red.

Cristina: Surgery to get it more red, they'll.

Jack: Get like some kind of spray tan equivalent. Oh, we'll find a way. People will find a way, man. It's human nature. Yeah, that quote from Jurassic Park. Nature always finds a way.

Cristina: So. Oh my gosh. They're gonna dye their butts.

Jack: They're gonna dye their butts and then they're gonna still mate and we can't stop it.

Cristina: What about the superpower of having an armored b***? Would you want an armored b*** like the wombat?

Jack: The wombat has an armored b***?

Cristina: Yes. It's filled with cartilage to protect itself.

Jack: From getting a** raped?

Cristina: From getting bit in the b***, I guess because it lives underground. So when it' running from the predator, it could smash the predator. It's actually defense and offense. It could attack. It's with its B***. Swinging its b*** and crash. That, you know, hit the head of the predator.

Jack: So it does like. Like giraffes and, like, swings its a** the way a giraffe swings its neck.

Cristina: I guess so. And it just destroys the head of the. What is dingle or Tasmanian devil that's chasing it.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So it's, like, really, really hard.

Cristina: Yeah. So would you like that?

Jack: Why would I like that?

Cristina: As a power or something? I don't know. No, no, no. You don't want a super b***. We're gonna find out what type of super b*** you want.

Jack: There's more than one super b***?

Cristina: Yes. This is just the first of many. Oh, no. This is the first of a few. The sea cucumber does a really interesting thing. I wouldn't want this power. I don't know. I'm very iffy about could shrink its body. And then it ejects its internal organs out of its b*** and onto its predators. And the organs are poisonous. So the fish die. A lot of the fish are poisoned. Like, it'll get poisoned and die.

Jack: But does the fish die too?

Cristina: No, the organs. Or some of the organs regenerate. That's the big problem to me. Some of the organs regenerate. I don't know, like. But I guess it's the important ones, Right? Like, it's still alive. It takes six to 10 weeks to regrow those organs.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So, like, I feel like it's very dangerous, though, in that period of time when you're waiting for those things to grow back. How are you hunting for your own food? Unless Sea cucumbers don't need that type of food.

Jack: But it's spewing its organs through its b***.

Cristina: Yes. It's b***. Ho. It's just, like, vomiting its organs out. Can we say vomiting? I don't know. It's pooping.

Jack: Yeah, it's pooping its organs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like the worst kind of diarrhea.

Cristina: Yes. Would you like that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: I don't know. It's. Yeah, I wouldn't want to be that either. I like the wombat b*** more. Although the baboon b*** is pretty interesting. I don't know.

Jack: But the baboon b*** doesn't have powers.

Cristina: I know. It just gets really big and red and it's finally a lady doing the dance instead of the guy, which is unique and different.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: But I think wombat booty for me for now wins.

Jack: An armored booty.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this skipper, capis that can launch its poop.

Jack: It's a Cactus caterpillar. Oh.

Cristina: Oh, Skipper. There's a. There's a skipper caterpillar that launches its poop.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah, the poop is like little pellets, and it has, like, a special b*** launching pad, which it just, I guess, stores the poop until it needs it, and then it shoots it out to attack its predators.

Jack: Does it kill anything with it?

Cristina: I don't think so. I think it just probably, like, distracts the enemy and then runs away.

Jack: Got it. That makes sense. So, like, very slowly runs away?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, really?

Cristina: It's a caterpillar. It's not a caterpillar. That slow?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh. I mean, maybe it causes some damage if it's like a boulder. When you fire a boulder at something that's gonna hurt, I don't think it's that strong, but, like, it'll annoy the villain. The villain, the predator, enough to be like, okay, I'm not gonna eat you. I'm going away.

Jack: Is that what happens?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: They just shoot their poop and the creature runs away?

Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Either that or yeah, I think it would, like, bother the. The. It would bother the predator enough that the. It would run away. That makes sense to me. Would you like that attack?

Jack: I guess that sounds better than the other ones.

Cristina: Then the wombat armor. I don't know. There's a. There's a tiny whale, a pygmy sperm whale. Most whales, their defense is being humongous. They're all humongous. Like, they don't need a defense. Their size is their defense. And this little whale has, like, it's. It has a special bladder of syrup, of b*** syrup that it shoots out when an enemy is attacking.

Jack: Keyword, b*** syrup.

Cristina: B*** syrup. Yes. It's cloudy, reddish brown goo that just, like, harm. It's harmful to the enemy. I don't know if it kills the enemy, but it's enough to distract the enemy so it could run away. Swim away. So you could swim away.

Jack: So boot syrup. Boot b*** syrup.

Cristina: B*** syrup? Yes, that's the scientific word for it. Okay.

Jack: Does it have a scientific word for the b*** syrup?

Cristina: No idea. It probably does, but it's just probably poop. I don't know. But that's an interesting evolution. Instead of doing the size thing like all the other whales, it's like, nope, I'm gonna be tiny, but I'm gonna have b*** syrup.

Jack: B*** syrup it is.

Cristina: I don't think I'd want that power or see that power. I don't want to see that either. Yeah, yeah. Then there's an Australian fitzro. Australian fitzroe river turtle who could breathe out of its b*******.

Jack: Whoa, wait. Could it breathe out of its mouth too? Does it just have two different breathing areas?

Cristina: I think it has two breathing areas, but the b******* helps it swim. It helps it stay underwater longer because it, like, holds in a bunch of air inside of its b***.

Jack: And what does it do with that air?

Cristina: It just stores it for when it needs it so it can stay underwater longer.

Jack: Right, but that. But that air goes through its b*** to its lungs.

Cristina: Maybe. I guess that's what I'm guessing. Yes, for sure. That's what it does, Nick. Stay underwater up to three weeks without taking a breath of air.

Jack: That's intense.

Cristina: That is. That might be a helpful power, maybe. I don't know.

Jack: In air through your booty.

Cristina: Yes. So you can stay underwater for a very long time.

Jack: Yeah. Imma go chill in the water for the next three weeks.

Cristina: I know. Yeah. I don't know how it would be helpful, but it seems helpful. Okay, sure.

Jack: If you gotta, like, spy on somebody and you gotta be, like, hidden in the water next to them or some s*** the whole time.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Hide in somebody's pool for weeks.

Cristina: Then I would want the combination of this, this, and I guess the last thing with the sperm whale. So you can, like, if someone does find you in that water, you just shoot the vat syrup at them.

Jack: But then you asphyxiate and die.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: In that instant, the b*** syrup is made out of your oxygen.

Cristina: Oh. So it wouldn't really be b*** syrup anymore.

Jack: It'd be oxygen syrup.

Cristina: It would be, but like a poisonous fart or something.

Jack: Nah, because you still have to be able to survive off of it.

Cristina: Oh, but it wouldn't be syrupy.

Jack: I don't know. Water is syrupy if you do it right, I guess.

Cristina: But oxygen isn't, if that's what you're surviving off of. Oxygen.

Jack: I'm assuming while they're in their water. In the water, their b*** takes in water and pulls out oxygen from it. It's just pulling in literal air. They grab air outside and then go in the water.

Cristina: It might be that. It could be that it sticks his b*** out of the water, sucks in the oxygen, and then jumps in the water. You know what that sounds like? That sounds right. And the manatee actually farts. Held in gas to get deeper in the water. That's. It's superpower.

Jack: How's that a superpower?

Cristina: Because I don't know. It's Super. Because it's. You don't think that's super?

Jack: It feels like swimming.

Cristina: It feels like. But it can go deeper than other swimming creatures, I guess. Other water mammals, I guess that's fine. It helps with food. Less competitors if you can go deeper than the other ones.

Jack: Yeah, but that's not a superpower. That's just like, I got more agility or some s***, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, that's a weak one. Who wins right now? I think the caterpillar wins right now. No, the one that takes out its organs. That creature.

Jack: That kind of sucks.

Cristina: That kind of sucks. Yeah. It is super, though. It's both. Then the dragonfly, when it's a baby. When they're babies, they're underwater nymphs and they use their b*** to swim in the water and also to eat.

Jack: They eat through their b***?

Cristina: No, the air pushing, I guess, out of their b*** helps them move their mouth. Out of their mouth somehow. Tissue. I don't know how it works, but yes, they use their b*** to help them eat.

Jack: So like fart launch forward and grab things quicker. So when you see a dragonfly just like scooting around, it's just sustaining like a long fart.

Cristina: It's not the dragonfly, though. It's the baby form, the nymph. I don't know. Do they look like dragonflies? I don't think so.

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: It sounds like a fairy type of thing, that word. I don't know what that word comes from. Nymph. Have you heard of it?

Jack: I have. I don't know what it is.

Cristina: What was your favorite superpower or super b***, I guess. What was your favorite super b***? You don't care about any of them?

Jack: No, not really. Those are some. No, not really. Those pretty crappy b*** powers.

Cristina: I don't know. The wombat wins for me. Have you seen the largest, or I guess one of the largest butts in the world? It's 8.25ft round and it belongs to an elephant. No, human. A human's b***. I want to show you her booty, if I can. Or I guess her body because it's kind of ridiculous. Her name is Mikael and she's an American and she has one of the biggest booties in the world.

Jack: I mean, it's not really that her booty is particularly big, though. It's like she's really morbidly obese and a lot of that weight is caught in her a**. It's grease, not fat.

Cristina: So it's so what? It's grease.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, it's like, not healthy fat by any means. Her thighs are the size of my body.

Cristina: Whoa. That's so crazy. Is there a Guinness World Record for that? Probably. It's too ridiculous.

Jack: Guinness World Record for everything.

Cristina: Yeah. Even though we're the only animals with butts, the way we have them, our booty cheeks. What other animals do you think have butts compared to us?

Jack: Compared? What do you mean?

Cristina: I guess like, when you imagine animals with big butts, what do you imagine?

Jack: Corgis.

Cristina: Corgis. Is that the famous.

Jack: That's the famous non booty cheek b*** animal.

Cristina: And chickens. Chickens do not have big butts.

Jack: Well, they have butts. Well, they don't really. They have like their a** up in a weird way.

Cristina: The turkey beats the chicken, though.

Jack: Yes. They both have pretty big butts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As compared to other birds.

Cristina: Yeah. And like, think like the spider for insects. Or not insects, whatever. Are spider.

Jack: Arachnids.

Cristina: Arachnids. Spiders got big butts.

Jack: Is that the spider's b***?

Cristina: I actually. I have no idea. That's probably its body.

Jack: That's probably.

Cristina: But I consider it its b***. Yes.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: With like, the snake doesn't have any. But.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Or dolphins or any fish in general. In general. So. But you know what? I think the biggest lover of butts besides, I guess humans and baboons are dogs. Dogs love butts. They don't love big butts, but they sure love butts.

Jack: They don't love butts. It's just how they communicate.

Cristina: Yeah, it is. They love smelling. They still love sniffing butts. I mean. No, it is communication.

Jack: I don't think it's like, do you go to your 9 to 5 and then love talking to your boss? No, you gotta communicate. You don't love talking to your boss. Yeah, you gotta communicate.

Cristina: Yeah. So this is just them communicating with each other.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, they could smell the mood of the other dog.

Jack: That's interesting. I didn't know that.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, their nose is a superpower.

Jack: Yeah. Dog's nose is some crazy s***. So is their hearing. A dog is kind of a superhero.

Cristina: And the hear. And their hearings. Yeah. And they're hearing. Yes, they could. They can smell some strange things, though. Like they can smell bugs. Like, if you had termites and they knew how to smell what that. That smell like? If they were trained to sniff out termites, they could point it to you. So they're so helpful. And they can smell even things that you wouldn't imagine that they could, like die. Diabetic attacks, cancer and Seizure. You didn't think a dog would be able to sense those things? I don't know if it's smell related, but I think it's part smell related, part visual of like seeing what you're going through.

Jack: Smelling a seizure sounds crazy to me.

Cristina: That does. Those three things sound crazy to me.

Jack: Cancer, diabetes is a sugar shift. Sugar is potent.

Cristina: Mmm. So there's obviously something they can smell from that.

Jack: Cancer is rotten.

Cristina: Oh, the seizure.

Jack: How do you smell a seizure?

Cristina: It could be that they can see the difference of your body changing because that causes you to your reaction to change. Like what's happening to you. Your whole body is just yeah, yeah, yeah. Which might not. Someone might not notice that quickly, but maybe dogs could sense it quicker. I also learned two very interesting stories about b*** mythologies or b*** related folklore. And they're both Japanese stories and they're amazing. And the first one is there's this creature called Shurimi, which is. Which just translates to b*** eye.

Jack: B*** eye?

Cristina: Yeah, Buttock's eye. Can you imagine what this creature looks like?

Jack: It's an eye in somebody's b***.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. This yokai has. I think he has no face, but for some reason he does have an eye in his b*******. And he likes to scare people with his eye b***. He stalks people. They're like what's go like they'll call you out in night to. So you turn around to look at them and then they'll flash you their b*** eye. With their b*** eye. With their shiny b*** eye. I don't think they're evil or anything. They're just want to show off their b***. Aye. To you.

Jack: Like all these women who are the problem, they want to show off their b***.

Cristina: The flat butts.

Jack: The flat butts who are pretending to be plump butts.

Cristina: Yes. There's nothing evil about that.

Jack: About sh. Yeah, there is. If the reason that the world is in turmoil is because of fake booties. That's why they freak. The ones who freaked out at Kendrick Lamar when he said that line. I'm so sick and tired of the Photoshop.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Wait, they're mad that he said he's tired of Photoshop?

Jack: Well, no, he says like he wants something natural.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And it's like, yeah, because non natural is making people stupid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: People being born dumb because flat booties are allowed to have children. We need to get all China on this s***. If you're flat booty, you're not allowed.

Cristina: You have to tell China that.

Jack: No, we got to get China on board. I mean China's gonna listen anyways, because this lies. Is it gonna. You know, let's conclude this. Now that we know, we're gonna tell the president.

Cristina: The president's not gonna make the world do this.

Jack: He can pass laws that the world listens to.

Cristina: No, the world does not listen to him.

Jack: Yeah. Especially Russia and China.

Cristina: To this president.

Jack: Yeah. To Biden.

Cristina: To Biden.

Jack: To Biden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're gonna listen to Biden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they're gonna sign another. Another. I'm gonna convince him, and he's gonna sign one that stops all the flat booties from mating.

Cristina: From mating?

Jack: Yeah. We gotta tie their tubes against her will.

Cristina: What? No.

Jack: Gonna open these camps in these camps.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. I thought you were just gonna kick the Spanish people out.

Jack: Yeah, and then we gotta clean it.

Cristina: Okay, so you're not making new camps. You're just using the ones that you have.

Jack: Yeah. We gotta prepare it for the flat booties.

Cristina: Yeah, because the Spanish people will most likely have booties.

Jack: Yes. We need to release them back into society because Hispanic a** is fine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's flat booties that are.

Cristina: It's a crime.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Flat b*** is a crime.

Jack: Flat b*** is a crime.

Cristina: You heard it here. That would be so crazy. I would like you to convince him of that. Or I guess him convince the world of that. I don't know.

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Both. It's very strange. Then there's this creature called the kappa. You've probably seen him before. He's like a green toad looking creature in Japan. He's like. He's human like, and green, though. Kind of alien like, I guess. But he looks kind of like a turtle. Y. Human, I guess. Sounds familiar. No.

Jack: Is that tur. Is it. That is a turtle. I was thinking frog.

Cristina: Oh, yes. It could be frog. I could be wrong. It's one of those things. It's green. It's from Japan.

Jack: Because I'm thinking that frog from the cereal box.

Cristina: The cereal box.

Jack: There's like a weird golden cereal that tastes like cardboard.

Cristina: I have no idea what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, it's like little beans. The co. The. It looks like coffee. Beans.

Cristina: Beans. Coffee. There.

Jack: Oh, that's a f****** Pokemon.

Cristina: That's a Pokemon. It's gonna be a Pokemon if it's not a Pokemon.

Jack: No, no, no. It definitely 100% is a Pokemon.

Cristina: Oh, that's the one you were talking about, right?

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, crap. I didn't get its name. Well, yes, there's a Pokemon that looks like Kappa and it is a Kappa. It is a Kappa. Well, there's this thing inside our butts called shirikodama. It's like a magical ball that we all have inside our butts.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And these kappas want that.

Jack: So they're gonna stick their fingers in your b*** to get it.

Cristina: Yes. Pretty much killing you, probably. Most likely. Or they'll drown you and then take it fun. Yes. Yes.

Jack: So you're gonna get drowned and then.

Cristina: They'Ll take your magic b***.

Jack: They're gonna. Their fingers in your a**.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And search for magic ball.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: And they're not sure what that magic ball is, but it might be related to our soul. Like, it could be our soul in there.

Jack: Our soul is in our b***?

Cristina: It could be. Yes. Or it could be our liver. I don't know if that's in there, but that's strange.

Jack: So they're fishing for our soul through our b***. Fantastic.

Cristina: We have a soul in a ball that's in our b***. Yes. That's pretty awesome.

Jack: The b*** soul.

Cristina: The b*** sole. Yep. I mean, where else would the soul be, do you know?

Jack: In your chest, I guess.

Cristina: That's where you think it's in?

Jack: Yeah, I think the consciousness is in the head and the soul is somewhere in the chest area.

Cristina: Where do you get that? Where does anyone get that?

Jack: Seems right.

Cristina: It just seems right. What was the first one? The conscious.

Jack: Yeah. Conscious mind or the mind. The consciousness or the mind? If they're not the same thing, they're in the same place, at least.

Cristina: I don't know how we can prove where the conscious is either.

Jack: No, we can't.

Cristina: But you're saying if I.

Jack: If I had to guess where it is.

Cristina: On the head.

Jack: It's in the head. And if I have to guess where the soul is? Probably in your chest somewhere.

Cristina: Just trying to think about what keeps your heart pumping. The heart itself.

Jack: Something that's keeping the heart pumping. I'll call that the soul.

Cristina: Okay, so the thing that's keeping the heart pumping is the soul. Maybe. Maybe. Yes.

Jack: The brain needs the blood of the heart, so the brain ain't keeping the heart up. You have somebody brain dead whose heart works.

Cristina: So then. But then how about consciousness? Where do you get that idea?

Jack: I don't know. I'm just saying that that's in the head. But I know that the heart has to be kept up by something other than the body, other than the mind. That thing that we can't identify. That's what's doing it.

Cristina: Interesting, huh? Then maybe the consciousness is in our b***. Maybe that ball, the magical ball. Is actually our conscious. How could we prove that wrong?

Jack: Maybe that magical ball is our genetic code.

Cristina: Our genetic code?

Jack: Like a perfect blueprint to making another human or something.

Cristina: Why would they want that?

Jack: To make another human or something.

Cristina: Oh, then maybe they're aliens. They look aliens. They're little green men.

Jack: That seems legit. I mean, don't little green men already probe a****?

Cristina: Exactly. This is a water alien.

Jack: This a water alien Sticking crap in your a**, trying to pull something out. They're looking for the secret to life, and it's in your a**.

Cristina: It's in your a**. Yes. Yes.

Jack: Whoa, whoa. The secret to life is in our a*******?

Cristina: Maybe if we have bigger butts, though, we can protect that.

Jack: God's a genius. Right? Because it's like the last place they're gonna look inside their a******.

Cristina: Yeah. How did these creatures figure it out?

Jack: Magic. Well, no, they're aliens. They probably. They probably went through this whole process themselves. Yeah, they know it's in their a******. Yeah, they're like. It's always in the a******.

Cristina: That's amazing. But they don't really know why they want it. There's like, two guesses. One is they like to eat those balls, those magic balls.

Jack: So they eat souls?

Cristina: Yeah. Or it's some kind of tax to the dragon King who lives under the sea, and they're paying him.

Jack: I don't care about anything else anymore. There's a dragon king that lives under the f****** sea?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know anything about him, but I'll learn about him.

Jack: Is it Nessie?

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What?

Jack: A dragon that lives under the f****** sea? I guess it's not Nessie, because she lives in a lake. But, like, there's a f****** dragon that lives under the sea. The Dragon King.

Cristina: The dragon king are dragons, Water creatures? I guess. I don't know. No, they're like lizards, maybe. Well, the Chinese dragon that we were talking about has to be a water dragon, right? Because the fish is in the water. The fish isn't turning into a sky thing.

Jack: Yeah, that's a western dragon, but it's a water dragon.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: The ones that are in the. The Chinese and Japanese dragons are water dragons, not water dragons, but they're like snake things. Like, unless it's flying without wings, I'm assuming they. That those things exist in the water.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe. Yeah. So then the dragon king would be a water dragon king. Interesting.

Jack: Gyarados is water dragon. That's a Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah, he's a magical dragon king. Maybe he is the dragon King.

Jack: He's the Dragon King.

Cristina: You think there's magic balls in Pokemon? That's horrifying. There's Kappa. Yes. I mean, the Soul Ball. Unless you think those are souls, they're just playing with other creatures. Souls?

Jack: Like, I mean, isn't Electrode and Voltorb both just pokeballs that are alive?

Cristina: Yes. There's something wrong there. I don't know. They live in a world that. What's his name from Blue's Clue. Not Blue's Clues. That's the wrong guy. That old show, Peewee Playhouse. Remember his house? It's all alive, right? He lives in the Pokemon world.

Jack: Yeah, kind of. He's just trapped in his house or hiding from the rest of the world, where everything is violent and murdering each other.

Cristina: Yeah, but his house is alive.

Jack: Dude, that's crazy.

Cristina: Pokemon.

Jack: A single Pokemon, you take over the world.

Cristina: Yeah, one.

Jack: You got one Pokemon. There's no other Pokemon.

Cristina: You take over the world even like a Diglett?

Jack: The Diglett is crazy. You could topple buildings with a Diglett. With a Diglett.

Jack: They're too overpowered, bro. Pokemon. Like, really?

Cristina: There's no useless Pokemon. What about Rattata?

Jack: Nah, it's.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: The problem is it has the ability to do random s***. Like one, lightning fast. Two, it can attack people. It's your weapon.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: I guess somebody could pull up that with a gun, though. Just pop your Rattata in the face.

Cristina: Oh, hey.

Jack: It is what it is.

Cristina: Well, if it's super quick, though, maybe you can stop that Again, it depends.

Jack: How quick it is.

Cristina: But it has a quick attack type thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It has both agility and quick attack. It depends how quick it is. Like, is it so quick that. Boom. It's at your gun.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This fire.

Cristina: Right? Your hand that's holding the gun.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's crazy, man.

Cristina: If it's that quick, then that's. Then there's nothing.

Jack: There's nothing stopping them. But there's also, like, if you somehow caught, like, Ash. Ash is so overpowered. If you really wanted to, because he somehow comes across every God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can just capture a m*********** and that's it. It's a wrap. He runs the world.

Cristina: He'll never catch one.

Jack: Also, why does Team Rocket want his s***** a**? Pikachu. That's the worst. Pikachu.

Cristina: It's because they're not really villains, dude.

Jack: He gets KO'd by level one Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. They're not villains. They don't want to be doing evil things. They're just Pretending by chasing a Pikachu, they're just friend. Yes.

Jack: There's Frenemy.

Cristina: They're stalking him. But also they can lie to their boss like, yeah, we're doing something.

Jack: Doing things.

Cristina: Yeah. But obviously they're not. They're trying to catch a. Talking. Like, no, they're trying to catch a rat. A giant rat.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, who cares? That's such a lame Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Pikachu sucks. F****** Dragon King. Are you kidding me?

Cristina: Yes. That is pretty epic. You know what else is pretty epic?

Jack: What?

Cristina: Researchers painted eyes on cow butts to stop lions from attacking. And it worked.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yep. No cows were attacked. The ones that didn't have eyes painted on them, I think, like, two of them died in that group. But the ones that did, none of them died.

Jack: Interesting. So the lions were, like, too confused about what creature they were looking at.

Cristina: Yeah. Like. Yeah. Because they like to sneak attack. And since this creature, this new creature to them is looking at them, never blinking, just decided, nope, can't do this.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah. It's horrifying because it looks like it's always looking at you.

Cristina: Yeah. Which for something that likes to surprise, there's nothing it could do.

Jack: Yeah. For a cat, the worst thing you could do is always watch it. It thinks it's being hunted.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's pretty amazing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So we talked about. So we talked about pros of the booty, but there are some bad stuff that could happen to your booty. I don't know if it's naturally or it's just, like, bad luck or you did something wrong and it caused your booty to attack you. But there's things like hemorrhoids, which is one of the most painful a*** diseases out there, which is like veins of blood around your a***. These veins of blood on your b*** that engorges around your booty. Hoe. That sucks.

Jack: Yep. Sounds painful.

Cristina: It does. There's also a*** fissures. That's the tearing of tissue along the a*** canal, which is caused by giant poops.

Jack: A*** fissures are caused by giant poops?

Cristina: Yes. Like, they're too big. They come out and they hurt your skin around.

Jack: Like Bono.

Cristina: Like Bono Bono?

Jack: Yeah. The Pope had Bono.

Cristina: Yeah. He probably caused him to have some problems in that area.

Jack: Many, many.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He had Bono.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Pope pooped Bono.

Cristina: There's also a*** warts and itchy a***. That are problems that could happen to you.

Jack: How do they happen?

Cristina: I think a*** warts is. I don't know. It's a viral disorder. I don't know. I don't know how they can happen, but I know the symptoms. The warts are tiny spots inside the a*** opening. They also itchy and they can grow over time.

Jack: Very weird information. We definitely need to get the president to sign that bill to. To get rid of tiny butted people.

Cristina: To get rid of tiny butted, flat butted, flat butts.

Jack: The flat butts need to go. We got. We got to get all the Hispanics out of the camps and into society. We got to reintegrate them so that their butts can create the next generation of intellect. And we got to put the dumb flat butts into the camps and fake butts into the camps so that they stop mating. We got to stop this problem that's happening in society today.

Cristina: But that's only for the women. There has to be something that women are attracted to men in some weird way like this, right? Because there should be some men in those jails too, just for some equal fun. Because then there's gonna be too much men out there.

Jack: No, the problem is that men also have butts. Right? And so we're assuming that their j*** is infused with intelligence because big butts.

Cristina: Wow. Okay.

Jack: This needs to be. Only people with big butts need to be allowed to man.

Cristina: Okay? So for all of them.

Jack: For all of them. Men and women, dude, they can make stupid children in the camps that we don't introduce into society.

Cristina: Okay? What?

Jack: But if you're gonna be in society, we forcefully tie your tubes or you go to a camp. One or the other. That's it. You don't have a choice.

Cristina: You don't have a choice. You don't have a choice. That's crazy.

Jack: You opt into tubes being tied or a camp.

Cristina: We'll have that special ruler to measure your curve b*** growth. Yeah. Your curve ratio.

Jack: Everybody will have it. We'll have like in the last of us, where there's a guy walking up to people with a thermometer. Like, there's gonna be cops outside just checking. Like, that doesn't look like a Right. And that doesn't look like a 45 degree angle. Plump booty. Yeah, get the ruler. Then they check you. They stop you. They're like, we got to check your booty. People freak out. No, no, don't check my daughter. She's too young. She's just a child.

Cristina: Should there be an age for this?

Jack: No, because these people are gonna grow up anyways. We got to stop the problem as young as we can. If we can do something to feed them the Proper foods to make their booties grow.

Cristina: But what age do we start measuring? We can't be measuring babies.

Jack: We can't be measuring babies. No, no, no, no. Anybody you gave Burger King to, That's over developed because they had too many hormones in the food. And they're like a 35 year old looking 12 year old at that age.

Cristina: Because they're still maturing. So it should be when they stop maturing, which is in the 20s.

Jack: D***. That's problematic though, because we could have corrected the issue, but we don't know.

Cristina: If there's an issue or not.

Jack: Yes, because they might have too flat of a booty.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Tell me. Growth spurts, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Take it to account. A growth spurt.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Height wise. Females stop growing around 16 years of age.

Cristina: So we gotta start measuring them at 16.

Jack: I guess like their body stops fully developing around that time. You know what you're gonna look like as a female at 16, while a male usually grows until they're about 24.

Cristina: That's a problem.

Jack: Yeah. While intellectually men seem to stop mentally developing at a fast pace at around 18 to 19, while women up to 26 years of age.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Why so different?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: It's crazy. 26 years of age?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So then what's the right age to measure these butts though?

Jack: When you introduce fake hormones into their body, Lacavia?

Cristina: Any age.

Jack: Fair enough. When the hormones start affecting their body.

Cristina: So when it starts.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Teenage years and older. We need cops out there the way these cops are out here popping kids anyways. Just because it looked like he had a gun. Even if it was pink, it was abnormally small. It was shooting water. We shot him anyways because we felt in danger. Get those same very dedicated cops to run up to young women with rulers and measure their b*** angle.

Cristina: We need some kind of thing that will stop kids from reproducing though, as kids.

Jack: Fair enough. That means immediately you put an implant when these kids are born into their skin of a thing that's gonna casually drop a sterilant into their body, preventing them from having children. Until you decide. And then you don't have to test anything. You wait until in this society everybody has to go to the doctor so the doctor can tell them whether they can mate or not.

Cristina: Yes. And if you fail, you die. No, you go to camp.

Jack: Well, now you can't have kids anyways, because now we've done it since you're young.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So no camps.

Jack: No camps.

Cristina: Okay. Now you just can't have Kids. Yeah.

Jack: The doctor has to clear you. Your buddy is. Your booty's plump enough to have kids.

Cristina: Okay. There you go. Okay. I guess that works.

Jack: Boot's plump enough to have kids. Yes, that's the solution. We're gonna get Biden to sign that into the world contract.

Cristina: Do we even have that type of technology, though, to stop people and then give them the ability to afterwards, when.

Jack: We decide it's right, kidnap a billionaire's child and threaten their life? And they're going to suddenly come up with a solution? Okay, yes, 100% they'll come up with it. Like, if the. Actually, no, you got to threaten the billionaire. They're by. F*** it. It's just a kid. I can make another one.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: You got to, like, scare the billionaires, and then they'll do it. Yes, because they don't care.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Once you give them the fear, all the money to make this happen will happen overnight. They'll have it tomorrow.

Cristina: Mm, that sounds like a great plan.

Jack: Anyways, this is we're gonna do. We're gonna get Biden to sign that into law. The world is gonna listen to it, of course, and it is what it is. Now, if you guys want to learn more about butts, we literally don't have a single other episode about butts. But now you know about butts, and you know about powers and creatures, and along those lines, you could find out about powers and creatures in many of our episodes.

Cristina: Yeah, we have different episodes with different powers and different creatures, and some with probably powers and creatures involved. I'm not sure. There's probably combinations.

Jack: It's like the Chupacabra and crap like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Powerful creatures.

Cristina: Do you think the Chupacabra has a b***?

Jack: Like, maybe not maybe. I don't know. There was that Chupacabra running next to the guy's car and look like a dog. So it has about, like, a dog's.

Cristina: Booty, which isn't that much.

Jack: Which isn't that much.

Cristina: Unless it's a corgi Chupacabra.

Jack: Yes, A corgi cobra. Anyways, if you guys want to find more stuff of that nature, you can find all of that stuff on the official website, greythoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And also remember to subscribe. That's always great. And you can rate the show. That's always great. But you can also leave a Review. That's extra, extra great. Although subscribing is better.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah. Word of mouth, the most overpowered thing in the face of the earth. Always ask with the kindness of your heart.

Cristina: Yes. After complimenting your booties. Yes.

Jack: Compliment their booties.

Cristina: Yes. Compliment. And then say, listen to this.

Jack: Yeah. You tell them, look, we need to mate because I got a sweet booty. You got a sweet booty. And here's an episode of a show that's going to teach you why we need to mate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because our booties are sweet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And after they listen, gonna be like, yeah, I guess if we're gonna have a smart kid, it better be both of us that have nice booties.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I gotta take the chance that my kid isn't stupid.

Cristina: Yes. It's proved by science. Proved by science. Yep. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: I guess. Yeah.

Cristina: Because you're like, oh, I need to share this with the world.

Jack: But what about people who transcribe for a job? They can't possibly like the things they transcribe. No, that's just like, how much does medical transcription suck?

Cristina: That has to scrap. That must be the worst.

Jack: Yeah. No, I think it's worse to be in court. Or you're transcribing random documents that everybody's saying, and it's like mundane, boring garbage you've heard day after day after day after day, but you're just there to record any nuanced difference.

Cristina: Every once in a while, there must be something exciting in the court.

Jack: You can't really pay attention.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Because you got to catch every word. You're not allowed to process any of them.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that's. That's really strange. That's a strange job. Yeah. Because you're doing it right live.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: There's no slip up there. You gotta.

Jack: I guess that's different than transcribing.

Cristina: More stressful.

Jack: Yeah, that's. That's very different than transcribing something you've heard a million times or not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not heard a million times. Something you've this pre recorded and you could rewind and stuff.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe it's exciting, that type of way where you're like, I got to do this right.

Jack: Yeah. You're trying to be perfect. You can't f*** up.

Cristina: Yeah. So exciting. To some horrifying for other people. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.