Rambling 132: Pyramid of Giza Technology

Giza, Pyramid, Pyramid of Giza Technology, Egypt, Ancient Advanced Civilization, Rocket Science, Teleporter, Transporter, Laser Technology

Why does the Great Pyramid of Giza have internal technology? What could the power coils and wiring be used for? What did the ancient advanced civilizations need such a large piece of machinery for? The duo speculates the true purpose of the Pyramids and come to a conclusion no one could have ever imagined!

Why does the the Great Pyramid of Giza have internal technology? What could the power coils and wiring be used for? What did the ancient advanced civilizations need such a large piece of machinery for? The duo speculates the true purpose of the Pyramids and come to a conclusion no one could have ever imagined!

Topics Discussed:

  • Pyramid Void
  • Pyramid Power Coil
  • Laser Technology
  • Interplanetary War
  • Planet Destroying Weapon
  • Missing Planet
  • Transporter Technology
  • Teleporter Technology
  • Interstellar Travel
  • Intergalactic Travel
  • Entanglement
  • Instant Travel
  • Black Hole Gun
  • Dyson Sphere
  • The Great Void

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Cristina: Yes, we have degrees and things. And stuff.

Jack: And things. And stuff. Exactly. We have all the degrees and things and stuff. And we're here to inform you on all those things we have degrees on. Pick one. That one. Yeah, that. Exactly. Whatever you're thinking of, we got that degree. Doesn't matter which one you think it is. We have it factually.

Cristina: Even the made up ones. Even like degree. In watermelons.

Jack: Yes. Come on. We have the best of green watermelons. Nobody is a watermelon expert the way we are. We. We have all the degrees under the sun and under other stars as well. Not just the sun. We have all the degrees under all the stars. We're intergalactic. We have the. The. The what the f***? It is called the. The sub humans. And with the subhumans on our fancy rockets, we go and we learn from everyone in the Federation. Like Star Trek. But the real one, not the fake one that's on tv. You guys don't know about the real one?

Cristina: Well, the real one is a lot like the one on tv.

Jack: It's almost identical.

Cristina: Like Picard really exists in this reality.

Jack: He has a different name. Picard is based on a real guy who's a true hero among the real Federation that explores all that there is. Except we really haven't explored a bunch either. Because we're kind of trapped in our little. Well, we'll get there eventually. Yes, interesting enough, I do believe we might get there soon.

Cristina: Like next year.

Jack: I don't know under what time. Our lifetimes.

Cristina: Our lifetime. Okay.

Jack: I think within our lifetimes we can travel the entire expanse of the universe. At least the observable universe. But correction. And further and further and further.

Cristina: Okay, and why do you think that?

Jack: Well, because I have stumbled upon the possibility that. Well, let's rewinding. You know, that's a Rewind sound.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Previously on Just Conversation. We were talking about the pyramids. Oh, wait. We're supposed to make, like, a fake every time we have, like, a memory. They're supposed to be scenes that didn't even happen.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: Previously. Right. So it's gonna be, like, a little rewind sound. I'm sure our engineers have that somewhere and they're gonna splice that into the audio. Okay, so assuming that does happen. And I'm gonna say random. Totally wrong. Yeah, we're both gonna say totally random things. So insert audio here. I'll do my own so that we know the cue. Previously on Just Conversation. The pyramids.

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: Teleportation. Question mark. Mayans vanishing.

Cristina: Other pyramids.

Jack: Rocket ship.

Cristina: Is it us?

Jack: Present day. Or I guess we put that. Now there's a forward sound, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that we rewind.

Cristina: We.

Jack: I guess the opposite of a rewound sound or what a. Anyways, so, yeah, we're talking about the. In several different occasions we've discussed.

Cristina: Yeah, there's gotta be like, two or three episodes.

Jack: Yeah, there's a couple. And they all got different information. In one of them. We brush over how weird the pyramid is. Just talking about other s***. I think we're talking about wonders or some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then in another episode, we broke apart the fact that there is what seems to be technology inside the pyramid.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Specifically the pyramid of Giza. I think that's closest one. And then I believe the first one was discussing different types of pyramids in which we also landed in the Mayans. Totally vanishing. And the fact that they had what look like to be platforms to move people parts of the pyramid around, which suggest rocket ships could be hidden in there. Opens and then boom, shoots out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is weird that that would be there. Anyways. But going to the pyramid of Giza, Right?

Cristina: That's in Egypt. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: There were this. A while ago, scientists found something very interesting.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It was a gap. They were using echolocation or sonar or some to dig through without digging through. And they found that there was, like, a gap in there. Just a hole, an empty space. There could be stuff in there, but it's not solid like the rest of it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they were like, oh, interesting. Curious, curious fact here. And they start sending more signals straight through.

Cristina: More interesting how big it was or something.

Jack: Yeah. But the thing is, they found a bigger gap that's not connected to the previous one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's two holes there inside of this thing that already seems like it has some form of technology going On.

Cristina: But they found more than two, or was that the end of it? They found exactly two giant gaps.

Jack: They found two giant gaps. A tiny one towards the base and a larger one higher up. It's somewhere around a piece of the pyramid called the king's chamber. That is also what is expected to be one of the power coils. What interesting detail that there would be a gap close to what is the power coil.

Cristina: The power coil is a very strange idea in itself, even if nothing was next to it. Why is there a power coil?

Jack: Why is there what's potentially wiring and conduction tubes in a pyramid that's ancient as f***. And then we just find a gap.

Cristina: So where are you going with this?

Jack: Well, I cracked open some books and decided to dive into what could be done with part A and part B. Because the scientists are too slow. I'm getting bored of waiting for them to do it. I know I can solve it.

Cristina: Are those the different gaps or that's something else.

Jack: The gaps and the technology.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The combination of the two pieces. We know. Putting those two together, you're gonna solve.

Cristina: The mystery of the gaps.

Jack: The mystery of the gaps and what the electrical components within the pyramid is and why it's there.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: But I think I actually did solve the problem.

Cristina: You did first.

Jack: Scientists are idiot. I know better. I know better than people who have studied and worked on this hands on their entire lives in my weekend of research.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So if they want to get some tips on how to do it right, on how to in one weekend, figure out what they're still scratching their heads about. Stupid scientists. Stupid scientists. Took them so long.

Cristina: But what books are you looking at to figure it out? Was it books written by sciences?

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe a lot of them were picture books. Maybe it was all picture books.

Cristina: You were just looking at picture books and you solved it.

Jack: Might have been coloring books. I might have been looking at coloring books that kind of sort of show the pyramids in a way, simplistic kind of way.

Cristina: And it made sense to you and it clicked.

Jack: I solved it. Do you know that meme of the lady and the numbers flying in front of her face?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That happened in real life. In fact, I saw that lady in the middle of a hallucination that told me all the answers.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I might have also done drugs.

Cristina: So you're looking at coloring books.

Jack: On drugs.

Cristina: Okay. On drugs.

Jack: And then I had a hallucination about that meme and then the numbers in there clicked in the meme.

Cristina: The numbers in the meme the numbers equal the solution to the solution to.

Jack: The problem that the scientists couldn't figure out their whole lives. They should have just done some hard drugs and then they would have found the answer.

Cristina: What? Of course, that was the answer.

Jack: Of course. Right, of course. The answer is always on the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, so the idea here is pretty clear. The big pyramid is some sort of piece of technology that does something that requires electricity because we have electrical components. And somehow this hole we found works into it.

Cristina: The hole does. For sure.

Jack: For sure. Now both the holes maybe.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Depends. I'm not entirely sure on the logistics of here, but I'll float my ideas by.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So first, I think the three small pyramids are batteries. They hold the energy that gets sent in and is received through the machine.

Cristina: That we see found in those little pyramids.

Jack: Yes. Not as intricate and complicated as the bigger pyramid.

Cristina: Okay. But enough to think that they're batteries.

Jack: Enough to believe that there might be parts of it we haven't found that could be batteries.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And the size of these pyramids alone tells us that the amount of energy that they could hold is quite big.

Cristina: How big?

Jack: A lot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't know if I said 10 googleplex kilowatts. Does that number mean anything?

Cristina: Nah.

Jack: So big.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Big is enough. Now that means the bigger pyramid is the machine itself.

Cristina: A machine?

Jack: Yeah. Whatever is being powered by the three smaller battery pyramids is the big pyramid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It needs that. It probably has solar energy that it's also using, but it probably stores the energy in these other ones. So it could use one, the solar energy that's using actively and have backup energy. It's because whatever is doing probably needs a lot of energy. It probably can't even be used frequently.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could take maybe months, years, hundreds of years to charge. I'm not sure. Could could just be months or weeks.

Cristina: So do you have many ideas of what this big pyramid is? I got one.

Jack: They're based on the same principles, which means this is probably what it was for to begin with.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's something along these lines. Right. So we establish that it is some sort of energy based machine. Energy based technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It uses energy. And now my theories go as follow. I believe that. So the small pyramids power the big pyramid. We have power coil. We have energy bouncing around. We have a tip that seems to be a big focal point. That tip should be pointing at something.

Cristina: Mm. Now, okay. Yes. What?

Jack: One of two things. First, I initially believed this could have been some sort of laser.

Cristina: A Laser. Just a laser.

Jack: A laser. But it's a kind of laser that requires ginormous energy sources like they were.

Cristina: In a battle with aliens and then made that to fight them off.

Jack: It would be way more complicated than that.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The idea here would be that the amount of energy you're pumping into this one thing. And again, we don't know how far these pyramids go into the like, what's the size of the battery and what's all the technology we don't see beneath the pyramid itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We can't dig. We can't look. It just is what it is. We see what we see and we're left to deal with that. But assuming that there's quite a bit. We're just seeing the proverbial tip of the iceberg.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's a giant cannon like structure digging into the ground. Who knows how far. Being powered by these three pyramids that also dig into the ground. Who knows how far?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Massive amounts of energy could be stored in those. And then this tip of a laser beam that we're seeing isn't just to fight aliens, but rather to destroy entire planets to this.

Cristina: What kind of.

Jack: What you could aim it at a planet. Boom. Gone. But why battle to conquer.

Cristina: So battle. Okay.

Jack: To establish dominance.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: So maybe this was ground zero. If we go back to the most recent episode where we discussed this. I don't even remember the name of the episode. But we can't. We brushed over this kind of stuff where we were talking about the possibilities that we took off the planet in different waves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That means we had the ability to explore and maybe we found things. And maybe this was one of the ground bait. Maybe we have many of these on different planets and it allows us to aim and destroy things in the middle of a war. We can get rid of an entire race if we destroy a planet. Just extinct some whole s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now it's because of the type of weapon that it would be. The range would be quite limited.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It would still be bare max. Like maximum possibility nearby stars. Minimum possibility within our own star system.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now if we look at old hieroglyphs and we look at just records, the ancient form of records of people keeping things. Those people who somehow knew that the Earth. Earth was round originally. That there were a bunch of planets or whatever. There are often two additional planets that we do not have. And it does not include Pluto.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now those two.

Cristina: Pluto.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, wait.

Jack: So those two planets aren't there anymore?

Cristina: Yes. Ah.

Jack: That's to say that they didn't get their calculations wrong. We see that they had everything right. They destroyed those planets. Why don't we have the planets they predicted? It's because the planets are gone. They blew the planets up. We had that technology.

Cristina: Ashes still be out there. Like would they be part of the rings or something?

Jack: They might be the meteor belt.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, might not be that. They're in the meteor belt. They might be the meteor belt.

Cristina: There's two meteor belts. Two planets. Ah.

Jack: Yep. I guess they're asteroid. But those asteroid belts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the two different asteroid belts could have been two different planets that were fully destroyed. Now this is assuming we have a civilization with the capacity to fix the gravitational force of the system after you've destroyed such heavy things. So that's the assumption we're making. These are particularly advanced civilizations. They have some sort of laser weapon they can do quite a lot with.

Cristina: Yes. Like if that's what they have, they probably have other technologies too. Yes. Like.

Jack: Yes, they need to have. Like it can't just be a crazy weapon. And then everything else is primitive.

Cristina: Everything is normal.

Jack: Yeah. We're assuming they have quite a bit of technology and maybe those are some people who left. Now the amount of energy it would require again should be theoretically massive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we don't know how sophisticated it is. The technology should be massive by our current standards. And we're assuming we're technologically primitive to those people of that time. Like we're nowhere near building a planet destroying laser that is so far out of our reach. But they got there. Which means they've efficientized energy storage and laser technology.

Cristina: Yes. They have to have a computer in there too, right?

Jack: Yeah. So it has to be so sophisticated that it's outside of our understanding. Thus destroying a planet and having just three generators that could be indeterminate size. Fascinating. Great. Total possibility it might be less energy than we think it would need to destroy a planet because they made it so efficient. But assuming that it's vastly more efficient than we have the ability to conceive. It could be used to detonate a star.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You trigger a star into blowing up.

Cristina: Why would someone want to do that?

Jack: A different system with different life forms that you are at war with.

Cristina: Whoa. That is too crazy.

Jack: So you could just aim, fire, clear it out. Which oddly enough there are two images. One that depicts some sort of light or beam or something shooting out of a pyramid. I don't know what the h*** it is. But interesting image. Also a hieroglyph. And the other is a I wouldn't say a star, but it looks like the sky itself is exploding.

Cristina: These are both hieroglyphs.

Jack: Hieroglyphs. Yes. That the sky itself is exploding.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Which both tell us the possibility that. Yeah.

Cristina: That that's what happened.

Jack: That's what happened. So we've probably cleared out some of our own planets in the primitive stages of that same technology and over who knows how long made it sophisticated enough to take out a star and take out the whole system with it.

Cristina: That is so crazy. That is too much.

Jack: And we wouldn't even know that there's an entire star system missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would just not be there.

Cristina: Except that they, they left a little picture for us.

Jack: They left picture, for whatever reason, pictures of laser looking pyramids and skies blowing up.

Cristina: That's amazing and weird, right? Yes, it's crazy interesting, right? Yes.

Jack: Now that is the low energy version of what we're talking about. With the amount of energy it needs, that's still the low energy cost option. And that wasn't even my first idea. I solved this problem. I came up with this conclusion trying to fix the original idea that then return got refined even more because it included a couple of different stages. The second option is that this pyramid is some sort of teleporter or transporter.

Cristina: What, and what are those giant rooms though? How do they relate to all this?

Jack: In the case of a transporter or teleporter, that room is where you're leaving and arriving from.

Cristina: Oh, oh, what you need a safe.

Jack: Empty spot that you can pop in and out of without phasing into a wall.

Cristina: Yes. And that would be it.

Jack: And that would be it.

Cristina: Okay, well how do you. Okay, how does this become a teleporter?

Jack: Alright, so first this would require quite a vast amounts of energy. Quite vast amounts of energy. But in the two options here we have a higher energy and a lower energy as well. So assuming it is some sort of transporter. Right now I'm assuming there's three different options here. Two different energy consumption methods. So transporter, low energy. We get turned in the void, the large room, into matter. That is raw material, but it's our entire structure. Yeah, the machine that is inside of the pyramid jumbles us up, sends us through tubes, aligns us and shoots us out the tip of the pyramid. That being said, the moving of matter through space at speeds as fast or faster than light would require a clusterfuck of energy.

Cristina: Is that safe though? So I mean we would like go through things if we were just matter going through space.

Jack: You Know, we're assuming that the energy would tear through all that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And, like, leave us where we need to be. But it would take too much energy to move us, let's say, to the next star. All right, so we're talking about just local travel within our system. It would be. You go to the pyramid. You can land on Mars in a couple of seconds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Versus having to take a flight that takes you forever.

Cristina: Mm. That's awesome.

Jack: And that allows a colonized Mars to have been the previous location. And maybe there was a pyramid there too, and that could shoot us back to Earth, easily sending us from one to the other.

Cristina: Any planet, not just Mars. Like, it could be the farthest planet from here.

Jack: Yes. It would take a little longer, but it would be so incremental, because although you have massive amounts of energy, the distances are pretty short. It would take too much, seemingly impossible amounts of energy to send us outside of the star system because of the size of those distances.

Cristina: Yeah, but to Mars. What?

Jack: Yes. If we wanted to go farther, we do have a different option, which would be teleportation. In this instant, we could get farther, quicker, not too far, because we still have to send the message that has to move through space.

Cristina: The teleporter is what, exactly? We're not materials anymore.

Jack: You're getting destroyed. All of that is being scanned. The message of the information that was scanned is sent to the destination where you are reconstructed out of raw materials. It wouldn't be you, but it would, to everyone else, be indistinguishably you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So your lights go out, but you kind of keep going in the universe. Really?

Cristina: Yeah. That is so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: Yeah. I f****** hate teleporters. I don't like teleporters. I want to be. I don't want the lights to go out.

Cristina: But you won't know. But you do know. If you know the science. But if you don't know the science, it's perfectly fine because it just. You. You're asleep, you wake up like it's normal.

Jack: Yeah. Well, you don't wake up, but you.

Cristina: Think, like, if you don't tell them that that's what's happening. If you don't explain it and they just see it happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're like, okay, that's fine.

Jack: You see somebody teleport from one side of the room to the other. You're like, oh, yeah, he's over there. And then you jump in, you died. But another. You popped out. Somebody's like, oh, yeah, he's Fine.

Cristina: Yeah. You really trick people if they don't know.

Jack: But also, in some future version of this, you can't just eat it. It's just like it is what it is doing. Well, my life, who cares? It's still me moving around.

Cristina: It's so crazy. I guess. I don't know. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird. The. The infinite darkness casually chosen.

Cristina: But there's another me out there. I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: It's insignificant anyways, right? Because you go far enough into space, s*** just repeats.

Cristina: Yeah, but how far can this take us? You said it will go much farther.

Jack: It would definitely be able to travel at the speed of light. Because it would just travel the information. You're not moving the matter itself. You don't have to force the matter to travel at the speed of light. You could just send the message. Which travels at the speed of light.

Cristina: Amazing.

Jack: And so you get farther, faster with less energy. So theoretically, you can send you out way farther.

Cristina: Like anywhere.

Jack: Yeah. It would just take absurd amounts of time to get there. Oh, but you'd get there at the speed of light.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you could send you to Alpha Centauri. You just take however long light takes to get.

Cristina: You don't age through this process.

Jack: No. Because it saves you exactly as you were. And it's going to reconstruct the exact information recorded of you.

Cristina: Oh, okay. When it comes to the other one, is it the same thing?

Jack: Yeah. You're just broken down to your individual particles and then constructed it elsewhere. But that's literally your same particles.

Cristina: Yeah, but those particles don't age.

Jack: No, because they're not cells at the moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Cells are constructed of atoms. These atoms are individual.

Cristina: All right. It's so complicated.

Jack: Broken down to particles. You might even be atom splitting and containing the dest information.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is two different options.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where we have a vastly, thoroughly complex transporter that'll break you down and send you locally. Or a teleporter is going to destroy you, scan you, and send the information to reconstruct you elsewhere in the transporter. You are locally trapped. It would be so vastly complicated to send you to a different star.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it would still have a moment's lag before you got to the planet you're heading to within our system. While with the teleporter. Speed of light. Without a doubt.

Cristina: Speed of light. And you have the science for this?

Jack: Yeah. Information travels at the speed of Light.

Cristina: No, not that. For how you came up with these.

Jack: Two conclusions, using laser technology is exactly how both of them would occur. I thought you would excite the atoms in their individual state. Electrons would then create the source of energy, and then you would fling that outwards the way a laser works.

Cristina: And they would both use these rooms the same way. For those two options.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And for the just regular laser to destroy planets or.

Jack: They don't use rooms.

Cristina: They don't use rooms.

Jack: Maybe that's like the control room, if anything.

Cristina: That's interesting. Okay.

Jack: But using the basic science that scientists use for lasers is how I came to these conclusions in the first place. That these are different alternatives for what could be done with these things. And picture books and crayons.

Cristina: And drugs.

Jack: And drugs. A lot of drugs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now. Now we have teleportation technology. We have the two options established. They don't allow for much. It's kind of complex. We're still trapped within the local system, even if. Whether local stars or local planets. Either way, and in the case of transportation, you have got to have so much energy to send you farther. In the case of teleportation, you could send you farther and it would take less time or I guess less energy would really be the argument here. It would just be less energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Transportation would take such f***. Tons of energy because you got to send matter at the speed of light.

Cristina: So it'd be easier just to do teleportation.

Jack: Teleportation, because it already travels at the speed of light. You could just send the information out, broadcast it in the direction you needed to go, and reaches its destination at the speed of light without needing to get it to the speed of light.

Cristina: Yeah. You could just hop from one Earth to another.

Jack: Yes. Well, that brings up the next solution to the problem. Now, I kind of dove down the rabbit hole of what these rooms could be, how they could be used. Assuming they are where you begin. Okay, maybe. And this is where the second room comes in. Before we have the small room, we have the bigger room. And the big room has, in these other two scenarios, a location for you to be. Show up and disappear from safely.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Assuming you get sent to a different pyramid, that is the reception point that has the same structures inside. You get sent from here, you pop in the void of a different pyramid on a different planet. Easy. So what does the other room do?

Cristina: What does it do?

Jack: If we were to say that it is in fact transportation and not teleportation, there's an option that allows us to get anywhere Easily. But we have to know where we're sending you. Kind of like Nightcrawler from X Men. That he has to kind of know where he's going so that he doesn't pop up in a wall.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, so horrifying.

Jack: So if we had a room that could isolate a single particle. We'll call that the bigger void. It has the technology and the structure to isolate a single individual particle. And then the person that's going to be flung through that particle. And those words are selected very carefully through the particle that person would be in the small room. You would then get turned into the same matter that our previous example of transportation had. Then you would get moved through the mechanisms inside of the pyramid, then into that particle. And using entanglement theory, we would find another particle anywhere in the observable universe aimed at specifically by the pyramid. It would pick and isolate presumably another pyramid somewhere in the vast distance of space. Anywhere in space. You would just choose exact coordinates. And the planet would align the pyramid so precisely. And you would send the person through the particle. They would show up at the other particle anywhere in the universe instantaneously without a gap.

Cristina: Anywhere.

Jack: Anywhere instantaneously. No time goes between one moment to the other. Because you're using spooky action at a distance. It's just one particle is gonna react. You can understand how to send information through it to make it pop up elsewhere. And you can use that same thing to communicate. It's not just a transporter for matter. You could definitely send a person. You can also communicate at any distance using that same thing.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Any other system that might have any other life form anywhere in the universe that has a receiving terminal like this pyramid could get information.

Cristina: Oh, you just use this, What? Super duper computer?

Jack: Yes. It is a super mega ultra exaggerated computer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, and you can just talk with anyone anywhere in the universe using the.

Cristina: You could also send things through.

Jack: You could send things through people through matter technology. Anything you'd like could go through this. Starting at the small room getting just turned to raw matter flung through the entire system. That then calculates and puts you through the particle which sends you through the particle to the exact point being chosen by the tip of the pyramid flings you in that direction. You instantaneously pop out on the other side without any lag between the two points. You pop out on the other pyramid in the smaller void after you were shot out of the bigger void. And the same process works in reverse. Sending you through the systems. It still has a power Coil that's making sure the systems stay functioning as you move through and get recomposed in the smaller room.

Cristina: What is that even a thing? Like not is that, is that even a thing? But like is that a thing scientists are planning on doing in the future? Is that even, Is that a sci fi thing?

Jack: Well, we know transportation is factually possible. We call that cars. Put the matter in the thing, move the matter from one place to the other.

Cristina: That's a great example.

Jack: We can also do that by having a bunch of atoms in a thing which we move from one place to the other. We also know entanglement factually works.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we know if we can understand how to use it, that it would factually be able to send information.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we also theorize that the creation of a wormhole would function the same way. This would be that this would be a wormhole inside of a pyramid that we control. That we control. We open and close at will. And it's seemingly microscopic. And we send something straight through. It's subatomic actually. And we send whatever through the particle.

Cristina: Itself that we like trunk shrunken.

Jack: We turned everything into pure particles that we could fit through.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it pops out on the other end.

Cristina: That sounds crazy.

Jack: And it gets recomposed instantaneously. The entire process would take two to three seconds from turn on to arrival.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: It would just be like a flash of light boomed around the other side.

Cristina: That's awesome. That's very cool.

Jack: Yes. Which would be possible assuming they have the technology that we already assumed they had to begin with. Which is crazy. Giant laser technology and so complicated structures that aliens built it.

Cristina: If they were doing this with it, could they still be doing the whole laser killing planet thing as well?

Jack: Yes, but that would be so primitive by comparison.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: We could hit the other side of the universe with a laser. With a laser.

Cristina: Huh? Wait, we can do that too.

Jack: I mean, not with a laser. We could send them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We could send any matter, person or thing message to the other side of the universe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Shooting a laser into space is like the bare minimum to fire enemies. Nothing. Our enemies would be crushed. So minimalistically, we can choose a particle and destroy the atom on that side, creating a subatomic explosion that would collapse into a black hole anywhere.

Cristina: We decided, oh, okay, that's way cooler.

Jack: Yeah. Like f*** a laser. Yeah, f***, f*** a laser. F*** with anything anywhere. We could just send an infinite amount of dense matter to one spot. We. They don't need. We don't even need a particle to Choose. We can just manufacture a black hole on command. And anywhere that is awesome, just be like, we have the particle here. We'll send whatever there to the other side that it's in such large amount that it just collapses into a back hole and sucks whatever the f*** is around it.

Cristina: But, but the laser thing, you said there are pictures for that. Is there any pictures or hieroglyphs of anything like this? Anything about teleportation or transportation or any hints?

Jack: But we're assuming that beam could be the same thing. And anyone that doesn't have it wouldn't show us anything because it's happening inside.

Cristina: The pyramid to begin with that they wouldn't show us.

Jack: We wouldn't see what's inside the pyramid. Oh, because it's inside the pyramid. And also, how would we depict somebody turning into matter? Like, it could be any of the images we're looking at that looks like gibberish. Like, what does matter look like entering a particle?

Cristina: No idea. I don't know. But there has to be some. I don't know, I don't know. How would you draw something?

Jack: Yeah, like maybe we've seen it. I don't know. How would we know what we're looking at at that point?

Cristina: Okay, that's a good point. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, we're looking at particles going in the particles. So here's this particle. Okay, can you describe the particles? So I can get. Like I'm blind. I need like a visual, a help.

Cristina: Well, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like, who knows? Maybe. Maybe there's a maybe that's the only thing that's out there. Billion images of that. But we're like, it's gibberish.

Cristina: It's gibberish.

Jack: It's just gibberish going on. Okay, but yeah, this type of technology would allow us to do that. Definitely. We could just. A laser would be so irrelevant when we could just remove you. Yes, easily. Easily just remove you. Just. Here's a black hole. Enjoy.

Cristina: But even if we were able to use that technology, we would need to know where the end part of that goes, though. Like, we really can't go anywhere unless we had a place in Mars already. Then we can do we go there, but we can't go actually anywhere else.

Jack: Well, that's actually wrong. We can calculate the distance to any individual particle, set those coordinates, pop up over there. And also through that same particle that we're using to pop up on the other side, send crap tons of matter and tools and technology to immediately start building on the other side, in fact, we could send robots so that we don't need to destroy living organic creatures. So we fling robots through it.

Cristina: Yeah, I just thought of, like, we could look for other. We're already looking for places, planets that are like Earth. We could just go there.

Jack: That's primitive. We're looking for planets like Earth. They would have no need for that.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about us. If we. We're using the technology.

Jack: Yeah, definitely. But also at that point, if we learn how to use that technology, we don't need to look for planets like Earth. We could just make it. Because we learned how to use the technology. We'd be messing with individual particles. We could do whatever the h*** we want at that point.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But they would in theory. Let's say they found the other side of the observable universe. They pick random coordinates. They're like the furthest point we can see. Let's send something there so we can later use the same coordinates. And so they send all the machinery needed to self terraform and create more pyramids, a habitable environment, and all the necessities so that when life goes through, it just has somewhere to go and somewhere to show up. There could just be a pyramid built by machines. And then the court, they just get a message to the same thing after it's built. Oh, it's working now. Because I got a message saying it's working now. I know the other pyramids. Good. Now we'll send somebody through to confirm. They get to the other side and they send a message. Oh, yeah, it worked. I'm over here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now you can send whatever over here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Assuming that's the case, it didn't begin here. And this goes back to our previous argument from a previous episode that we probably started somewhere else and just began jumping from place to place, dropping people off. And then they would learn and then leave the planet themselves. And we would repeat that throughout the day.

Cristina: And they're not related to anything from the past. It just happens that we all end up doing the same thing. Yes, that's what.

Jack: Now, if that were the case, there's one obvious destination that it all began, and it isn't here.

Cristina: But where. But you know where this place is.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It began so far away, but they landed here. And chances are that from over there, they aimed many different locations, sent things many different locations, established many different colonies throughout the entire observable universe. And also way more. And it would be the Great Void.

Cristina: Oh, of course. Okay.

Jack: Because they already had technology to create Dyson spheres that would trap entire stars so they can have seemingly infinite energy and power. Any kind of technology that they could have, they wouldn't be stuck over there. That's just their movement with space traversing technology rather than instantaneous motion.

Cristina: How far are they from us? That's ridiculous, right?

Jack: That's crazy Distances away.

Cristina: That's so ridiculous. Whoa. But yeah, we could be in there. Not us, but where we came from.

Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep. That is probably the beginning point of the most ancient, most advanced civilization that exists in all of the universe. And somehow if we manage to get over there, we'll just see more of ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it'll just be like, you're really close to human, dude, what the f***? And they'll be like, yeah, we're kind of you guys. We were here for us.

Cristina: Yeah. And then I guess we would just continue doing what they were doing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like what else is there?

Jack: Chances are they had pyramids first. And that's why we don't find anything in our star in our solar system. We don't find crap around our star because insignificant they sent. They came from super far. Colonize a whole star for what? We can take over all the stars, any star we want. Just spread them out as f****** much as you can.

Cristina: Because they'll end up spreading themselves out in that solar system anyway. Okay.

Jack: And just. First you start Great Void. Then you aim in every possible direction, evenly spaced out everywhere. And you send some here, some there, some here, some there, some here, some there, this. And then from those places, eventually they're going to age to the same point. And from that very same spot, send each other everywhere, the same distance.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Everywhere possible. And so repeating that over and over and over. Eventually, rather than spreading out from a center point to take over the universe, you sort of take over all of it at the same time. There's not a sphere spreading out. Of course. That's the energy sector. You could say. Yeah, the Great void is the energy sector. Millions of stars trapped inside maybe entire galaxies actually.

Cristina: But would our goal be to go to the Great Void or.

Jack: We have no particular goal. Nobody has a goal.

Cristina: No one has a goal.

Jack: Just explore more and see if there's something weirder out there.

Cristina: Yeah, see, we find the Egyptians out there.

Jack: Now the idea would be that if we have this kind of technology, we do have access to not just the observable universe. It would be, however infinitely large. The whole universe is within no time. We could colonize the observable universe by doing the Method. I just said you start in the middle, spread them all out anywhere altogether. Machines built a thing. Then you send the humans and repeat. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat. But if we had a pyramid at the very edge of the observable universe and we send somebody through our pyramid to that one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, that pyramid is the new center of the observable universe. If you aim that pyramid away from.

Cristina: Our previous pyramid, we'd have a whole new space.

Jack: Aim in that direction at the next farthest point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you send it. Now, this new location that you build a new pyramid at is outside of the observable universe of the previous pyramid.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy.

Jack: And all you would need is the coordinates for this new pyramid.

Cristina: And then you can send people that.

Jack: And you can send people there without it even being inside of your observable universe. Not only that, the information would bounce instantaneously. So you'd like. I need the coordinates for this group of people that went to do this. Somewhere this far from our observable universe, from pyramid to pyramid. It would go instantaneously.

Cristina: So you don't even have to leave. You don't need. You just need the location. You don't have to see it.

Jack: You don't have to see it.

Cristina: As long as you have the location.

Jack: You just type the numbers show up. Done. You can send it anywhere in the universe, no matter what the distance might be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And this could be repeated over and over and over and over.

Cristina: That'd be cool.

Jack: Now, if that's the case and we are just some of the many, that means it's totally possible that we are not even part of the original group of people that went out.

Cristina: No.

Jack: There are some stars that have weird things going on around them. And we're like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Maybe life did happen once. Just once. And everything else that we see is somehow related to that same original instance of life.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe that whatever that is could have started in the grave void and sent things out. But we're not team two. We could be team three or four or five or six. And one of those other things that's surrounded by one of those weird. One of those stars that has, like, weird behavior is just a more advanced civilization using the technology. And one of them could have then tried to repeat the process and sent us here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or they just in some different stage, sent somewhere else and got more. And then those are the ones who sent. So we don't know how far down the tree we are.

Cristina: No.

Jack: To go from colonizing entire galaxy clusters to our s***** stage.

Cristina: Yeah. And we're not even the first here, because we have. We have. This would be proof that there was some other one here. Yeah. They just abandoned us here, so.

Jack: Yes. So you have a couple of things happening, and that's actually a really good point. There's clearly evidence that we were here before we were here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, bare minimum, we're third wave.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool.

Jack: Minimum.

Cristina: Minimum.

Jack: Assuming that's. Just assuming first wave is at the great void, maybe there's a greater void way the h*** outside of our observable universe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's where it started.

Cristina: Yeah. That's possible.

Jack: But we can't see that far.

Cristina: Best guess for what we have is the best guess.

Jack: This is limited.

Cristina: What we can see.

Jack: Yes. This is limited entirely to our current point of view of the universe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have no other perspective, no other angle to look at this from. And this would actually take the least amount of energy.

Cristina: The least.

Jack: The least amount of energy from all those other options. From all those other options.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: It would just be a matter of understanding how to use the particle.

Cristina: What? That's crazy science, man.

Jack: Yes, the science is way advanced, which is why it would use the least amount of energy, because we're doing something crazy.

Cristina: But you'll still need all that space and stuff for that.

Jack: Everything else would still come into play because you need to isolate the particle, control it. You need to be able to send the thing through the particle, and without the particle collapsing or some variable changing and destroying whatever's going through it. A bunch of calculations that happen instantaneously. That's what the computer part is for.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: And at this point, we can just say that the pyramid is the ultimate quantum computer.

Cristina: The ultimate. Because is that the goal for a quantum computer, though, or. That's not really.

Jack: I mean, anything that it could possibly do, it would do.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It could. It's. It has Internet. You could just talk to your friend. Outside of the observable. Hey, man, how's that other side of the universe where physics works? Kind of weird. Oh, yeah, man. It's kind of cool. Things float out there.

Cristina: You could just go over there.

Jack: You could visit people anywhere at any given moment. Anywhere that there's people and a place to show up.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And I'm sure the government would have restrictions on where you could go. No, there's no. Nothing out there. We can't send you out there. That's dangerous. You're just gonna pop up and die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only Go to colonized space.

Cristina: So be like traveling here, but in space. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: It brings a very no Man's sky esque portal scenario into reality where it's like if you have the coordinates, you can go f****** anywhere. Doesn't matter where in the universe it is.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: You can just pop up anywhere you want. That is actually usable technology.

Cristina: Yes, but you have to remember the first you died. That's still the same technology, right?

Jack: No, that would be a. That's not you being destroyed. Information being sent.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's probably entanglement at play, which is.

Cristina: Still you for sure.

Jack: It's you for sure. In no man's sky, it's you for sure.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a portal.

Cristina: Yes. All right then Good. We don't have to worry about that.

Jack: Yeah. It's in fact, when you go through in no Man's sky, one of those portals you. It's a wormhole. It's a legit wormhole. You get flung through. You even see the inside of the wormhole and you pop up on the other side.

Cristina: No man's sky. That's okay. Whoa. We're gonna be living in no man's sky.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or I guess we are living in it. We just don't know how to use it.

Jack: Yeah. We're not advanced enough.

Cristina: We're not advanced enough. But someone's living it right now.

Jack: Yes. Maybe millions and billions. That would be such small numbers.

Cristina: Even.

Jack: It would be more than billions. It would be beyond trillions. Whatever civilization has the capacity to take over the great void and have that many stars taken down is beyond. We're currently at billions.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: That's really nothing like trillions is still talking small numbers.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It would be such advanced, long lasting civilization that got that far alone. It's numbers that we can't comprehend.

Cristina: Yeah. The number. Man. That's gotta be crazy. It's gotta be crazy. What? They could just go wherever they want.

Jack: Yes. Fascinating.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what I believe the pyramids are.

Cristina: That is cool. The laser's still cool. Even if it's not as cool. It's still. It's still pretty cool in like.

Jack: I needed the information of the laser to fully understand the rest of this.

Cristina: Yeah, but it. What? The goal wasn't for the laser.

Jack: The goal wasn't for the laser. It was just something I had to prove conceptually.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But still a really cool idea if it was lasers. But not as cool. But still. What?

Jack: It's possible that that was the original stage. It is possible that it began as A laser.

Cristina: And then they learned to use it for something.

Jack: It just the technology inside it kept getting tweaked and turned and tweaked and turned until we have something so complicated that a laser stopped existing. And we could just. Like we're at war with something. Oh, poor them. Here's a black hole, b****.

Cristina: Yes. Ah, crazy.

Jack: You just f*** with a particle, create some like, not even like you got a atom split at their location. But you can do it because you just have the technology and you just do that over there and boom. Over. You destroyed an entire. And it just blinks out of existence.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With that level of technology, presumably the more advanced. If we just keep turning it to the max. How could this. This is the limit of what we're thinking right now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Right. Fling anywhere, anytime, do kind of almost anything. You have access to the whole observable universe. More, in fact.

Cristina: More.

Jack: You can take over entire galaxies with Dyson spheres that make the whole s*** go dark and preserve a hundred percent of a hundred light. Nothing gets out. Great Void is just super advanced civilization battery. How much more advanced could it be? Is we don't need the Great Void amount of energy. Realistically speaking.

Cristina: What's that for?

Jack: We would need way less energy to power f****** anything. Whole galaxy is just like Dark Patch. Are you f****** kidding me? What's going on there? Turn it to the highest possibility. The Great Void itself is battery power for universe manipulation technology. Probably using the most advanced version of the quantum computer, which would still just be the pyramid allowing you to put. I want to create a galaxy at this destination.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: And you have the energy of whole other galaxies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Millions of galaxies. To just make one. It would be so easy with the energy of a million galaxies to make one galaxy.

Cristina: Whoa. You just make your own galaxy. Is that what happens in the end of no Man's Sky? Maybe.

Jack: I mean, you just pop up in a different galaxy.

Cristina: Oh, you'll make it. That'd be cool.

Jack: But like beyond the point of being able to reach anywhere, we probably have more advanced technology. In no Man's sky, you have the ability to reach anywhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they're kind of still almost bound to the first galaxy until they get the past to a new galaxy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While in reality, if this technology works the way I believe, you could just aim at any galaxy at any moment and be like, I won't be there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And just be there.

Cristina: Yes. Except for outside of our. What we could see.

Jack: Well, that would also be possible. We would just need relay stations which would Be more. It would just be the same thing built elsewhere. And you would bounce from one to the other. And then after you actually have the coordinates, you could. You don't even need to bounce. You just go there.

Cristina: Yes. This is crazy technology.

Jack: This is the most advanced class of society.

Cristina: So the most advanced though is you can just make your own uni galaxy.

Jack: Presumably universe at some point.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Maybe pocket universes would be easy. Not with the energy of a bunch of galaxies, but assuming that the Great Void isn't the first place, and whatever the first place is, is way outside of our observable universe, you could maybe create pocket universes inside of the infinitely large Universe. Which could suggest that our own universe is one of those pocket universes that was made by a civilization that captured enough galaxies. Yeah, that equals more than all the galaxies inside of our own universe.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: So yeah, the Great Pyramid of Giza. The truth behind it. There you go.

Cristina: Well, what about the other pyramids? Or we haven't found anything like that in any of the other ones.

Jack: No, those would be bad resources in any case. They would just be the energy that makes sure that nothing fails.

Cristina: Okay. Not the three little ones. The ones around the world that are in the same line.

Jack: Oh, we're assuming that they're doing different things. Okay, that is f****** weird.

Cristina: Alright. Yes.

Jack: It could just be. That could be the same s***. It could be the same s***.

Cristina: It could be batteries. It could be another computer.

Jack: It could just be more quantum computers. The earth does rotate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like we. What the f*** are gonna do?

Cristina: Wait, yeah, so it's just to do it faster. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, we can be like locally. We can send you easily without aiming at anything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I'm just send you to that other one that's gonna be aiming over there in 20 minutes.

Cristina: Yeah, I was think they get to each place, but yes, you just. Can you just use the pyramid to take you to the other pyramid?

Jack: Get to the closest pyramid and from that when you teleport to whichever one is going to aim where you need.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And then that will just send you instantaneously to your destination, no problem.

Cristina: That's pretty awesome. What?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That could be it.

Jack: That could be it.

Cristina: Who knows.

Jack: Totally possible. So all the pyramids might be. We might have a crap ton of quantum computers and just don't know how to use them because it's too advanced and we're idiots.

Cristina: But it's fine because we'll make our own.

Jack: Yes, in theory that should happen no matter what.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Because that's just a natural course of things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyway, so yeah, that's what I think is going on. So a couple of rabbit holes I collapsed down and then had to invent entire technology using some coloring books and a couple of crayons.

Cristina: That's amazing.

Jack: A lot of drugs.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But for the scientists, if you want my help, I'm here.

Cristina: What are you gonna do for them?

Jack: I'm gonna teach them how to get the answers. That's just one of many. They want to learn how to get the answers, they better bring me all the coloring books, some brand new crayons cuz I ran out. And some like dmt. Let's do it. Let's do it. I'm a teach you. Yeah. All of it.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: All of it.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: We're gonna do all the drugs and solve all the problems.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: So yeah, scientists, if you want to find that stuff, you know you can find more of my amazing woke ideas. And you find episodes pretty much on anything actually all the things all the time.

Cristina: And more episodes like this episode?

Jack: Yeah, actually talking about the pyramids a couple of times. Two or three. You find that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and if you feel so inclined, review the show. And we might send that review to the other side of the universe so.

Cristina: Somebody could see it and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, it is very important that you ask kindly because if they tell you, hey, I have access to the quantum computer from the episode that you showed me. You would never know if you didn't show somebody. And if you were an a****** about it, why would they want to tell you? They would just be like that douchebag.

Cristina: Told me about this. If they tell you that, you tell us that. Yeah, that'd be cool.

Jack: That means you found one of the time travelers or one of the humans that can use this technology. Whether they came from the past, the future or the present.

Cristina: It might be the version of you that had a teleporter and to kill the cat people before we even knew they existed.

Jack: Somehow that's gonna tie back to this at some point. It feels like anytime we mention anything, eventually it comes back around the haunt us. So somehow that's gonna come back into play.

Cristina: Yes. This is has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for Listening.

Jack: Bye. Yes, you should probably not. The lesson here is the moral of the story is, don't listen to the podcast on giant concert sized speakers because you're gonna make whoever you're listening to it with deaf. And you might go deaf too.

Cristina: Unless you hid in that building.

Jack: Unless you hid in that building, in which case just who you're showing the show to will go deaf. They will enjoy it and will be like, thanks, but they can never hear another episode. And that's bad for us.

Cristina: Yes, that's so bad.

Jack: That's a lose, lose situation. I mean, lose win, I guess, because they heard an episode and you got them to hear an episode, but you can't really have a conversation with them about it now because they're deaf and they can't read your lips because they weren't expecting to be deaf and they don't know sign language. So you can talk about it either. If you do know sign language, by the way, and you listen to this, make sure you bring somebody and you sign the whole podcast.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. Or. Or go out of your way and transcribe the podcast and then get them to read it.

Cristina: Help us help them. Like if they can subscribe and send it to us so we can put it on our podcast.

Jack: Yeah. If you're out there transcribing podcasts, transcribe the mess we talk about so that you could show somebody in text. I would want to read how chaotic this looks. Yes, it's probably really incoherent.

Cristina: Gotta do that.

Jack: Yeah, it'll be fascinating. Man, transcribing must suck.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 131: Mythological Beasts

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Do black cats have magical abilities? Does any animal have magical abilities? If so, which ones and how did they acquire these abilities to begin with? The duo unpacks the magic of black cats and the folklore in which certain Pokemon are based on this episode of Just Conversation.

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  • Black Cats
  • Witches
  • Pirates
  • Storm Troopers
  • General Grievous
  • Pokemon
  • Magical Foxes
  • Mythical Creatures
  • God Fox

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to Just Conversations, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to find somebody in the middle of the woods that was just wandering in a casual pace and stop them. Hold your phone out while the show is playing and say, hey, this is just conversation in the woods. In the woods.

Cristina: And you're gonna what?

Jack: Yeah, you can be playing it on your phone. Maybe Spotify. Cause that's where podcasts happen these days. Because Apple's being beat out.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And so on Spotify, you're gonna. You're gonna podcast, you can play the podcast and you're gonna. I guess if you have it on Apple anywhere, you have the podcast, you can find the podcast anywhere. So go there, play it on your phone. Presumably you can play. I mean, you could bring your computer, you're gonna bring your laptop into the woods, playing the podcast with a boombox on the side that it's connected to.

Cristina: That's mad work.

Jack: Hey, it's gonna work.

Cristina: I feel like people hearing that would just walk away from it.

Jack: If they hear a conversation happening and it's very entertaining, they're probably going to try to find out where it's coming from.

Cristina: Is it nighttime?

Jack: No, it could be in daylight.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just think, wow, this is really cool. There's somebody having, like a really loud, odd conversation.

Cristina: That is very strange. But be careful in those woods because what if there are, I don't know, black cats in the woods?

Jack: Black cats?

Cristina: Where do black cats come from? Are there wild black cats?

Jack: I would. Of course. Why wouldn't there be? There's.

Cristina: In the woods, there's wild cats.

Jack: I'm sure there's like actual. Just cats, like domesticated cats in the woods.

Cristina: I can't. I don't know. I don't know how. If there's.

Jack: I'm sure, Look, I'm sure it happened like there were cats. There were normal cat, like, big lion things that we tamed and turned into little kitty cats. And then after we had so many of them. They're everywhere.

Cristina: They're everywhere.

Jack: They're everywhere. Everybody lives somewhere with a f*** ton of just wild cats, but they're the domesticated Version of the cat that lives amongst people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Those can still live in the woods or you could still run across like a lynx or some s***. Just casual, tiny, big cat.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, be careful. I guess be careful of that lynx, but whatever. We're worried about black cats right now. Be careful that black cat. Because it can steal your luck. Is that what it does?

Jack: What black cats?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're allegedly bad luck.

Cristina: Yeah. If they walk away from you, they steal your luck.

Jack: If they walk away from you.

Cristina: I don't. This is a weird way. Like if they walk away from you because that means that they were next to you. But if they come to you, you get good luck. So I don't know how it works.

Jack: Yeah. I don't understand why is it that it coming? So it's the reaper of luck next to you, I guess the reaper of luck.

Cristina: It's the reaper of luck.

Jack: While the grim reaper is the reaper of souls. Or we could say Grimm is the reaper of souls. He comes towards you to either deliver a soul or leaves extracting a soul.

Cristina: And the cat's doing that one.

Jack: The cat would be the same. It's the black cat is the reaper of luck.

Cristina: But how is it walking away from you? Like that means it came by you, gave you good luck, and then walked away to take away the luck.

Jack: I guess the other way would be if you walked up to a black cat. So the goal should be never walk up to a black cat. Always let it come to you. Which is a very cat like thing to do anyways. You don't want to follow the cat.

Cristina: Unless they learn that this is what you're trying to do. Because cats are evil. If they know this is what you're thinking, somehow they're just gonna do the opposite of what you want. No matter what it is that you want, they're gonna do the opposite.

Jack: Yes, that is definitely the case.

Cristina: That's a very cat thing to do.

Jack: Yeah. Cats like to flip everybody off all day.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's Some people think that black cats are bad luck. Some people think they're good luck. The Celtics believe that black cats were sacred. I don't know if they were worshipping the black cats or what were they doing, but they were sacred to those people.

Jack: Yeah. I think they were sacred to the Egyptians as well.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool. They were probably seen as gods there too or something.

Jack: I think so. I think so. Anubis is consistently shown as some sort of cat guy.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, he is right. One of them as a black cat. Right.

Jack: As a black cat. Yeah.

Cristina: So there's a thing there. And in Scottish lore, black cats, when they come to a new home, it means prosperity. I guess if you adopt a black cat, you're going to get some good luck happening. That's prosperity, right? Good luck still? Yeah, I guess with money, maybe. Yeah, yeah. In Welsh lore, black cats bring good health, but in England, black cats are related to witches and bring bad luck. And sometimes they think the witches, the black cats are the witches, like they somehow transform into people or people transform into cats.

Jack: I wonder where this comes from because like all these creature transforming things, like Dracula becomes a bat.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is that about?

Cristina: I think he also becomes a wolf. Wolf.

Jack: Dracula.

Cristina: I think so. I think he turns into many things.

Jack: I think we actually established he's just. Yeah, I think we just. Yeah, he's f******. He turns into just totally non living s*** as well. So I think we established that he's just some sort of shapeshifter. So I guess it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Yeah. So witches are just.

Jack: They're using magic to shapeshift. They can do whatever. F*** too. Yeah, yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Were they using the same magic that vampires are using?

Jack: Yeah. My question is, is a vampire using magic or is it. Does he. Is it a f******. Just shapeshifter? He's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Then are wishes, even wishes, like, we're calling them magical beings. But what if they're just shapeshifters that we're calling magical? But you know, they're just shapeshifting, they're just doing what they naturally do, which is.

Jack: Well, that would be wrong because we're assuming they're like, you could become a witch with just practice and training.

Cristina: No, but the ones that they're seeing that are turning into cats, those are.

Jack: The ones that we'd be talking about. If the logic would be, in theory, you could grab a couple of Wiccan books, go home, practice for the next year, meet me in a year and be like, look, I'm gonna turn into a cat.

Cristina: What? Yes, I wanna do that witchy s***.

Jack: That should. That would be the logic. So you're still human. You're not not human just because you're witch.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just know you're human, who knows magic.

Cristina: But with the black cat on pirate ships, they believe the opposite of black cats, that if they walk towards you, they're bringing bad luck. But if they're from you, they're giving you good luck. And whenever a black cat walks onto a ship.

Jack: Wait, wait, wait. In both Cases, they walk towards you. What?

Cristina: No, the first one is walk. If it walks towards you, it's bringing you bad luck, and if it walks away from you, it's bringing you good luck.

Jack: Okay?

Cristina: And if it walks onto a ship and then walks out of the ship, the ship is gonna sink.

Jack: And. Okay, so let's say a cat did that and the ship didn't sink. Then what?

Cristina: Maybe it wasn't really a black cat. I don't know.

Jack: And, like, why does the cat's fur affect the universe?

Cristina: Because I guess that's just people's superstition about the color black.

Jack: Why did that happen, though? Right?

Cristina: Well, black became evil, and white became black.

Jack: Black evil. And, like, red is a close second.

Cristina: Red is close second. What?

Jack: Red eyes.

Cristina: Red eyes.

Jack: Oh, yeah, the red lightsaber.

Cristina: The red lightsaber. Oh, okay, yes.

Jack: Darth Vader's both. He's black with a red lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He's the ultimate evil. What? But I guess all the evil guys are in black with red lasers. Besides the, like, losers that are in white.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. They all have red.

Cristina: Oh, but they don't have lightsabers.

Jack: Who? The.

Cristina: The ones in white.

Jack: The stormtroopers.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: I mean, they're bad guys. I know, but at the beginning, they were good guys. They were only white because they were lying.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were. They're part of the bad side, so.

Cristina: They were wearing white.

Jack: Well, they're neither good nor bad. They are soldiers, okay? And their orders were, you help these people until you get different orders. And then they did get different orders.

Cristina: To not help those people tonight just.

Jack: Kill all of them. It's like, we're soldiers. This is what we do. We don't question it. We just do it.

Cristina: Was. What's his name? Darth Vader, when he was a young kid and he was training, was his lifesaver black? I mean, red or.

Jack: I believe he had a green one or blue one.

Cristina: Does it change colors once you become evil, though? Or do you just get a new lifesaver?

Jack: I think they gave him a new lightsaber.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I was wondering, like, does the lifesaver know you're evil or good or whatever? Because then you could just take the lightsaber away if you know that the person's evil if they get interesting.

Jack: Interesting point, because the idea here is I remember that they picked up the other's lightsaber. I believe Anakin. I believe Obi dropped his lightsaber, and Anakin picked it up, and then he had a blue And a green lightsaber. So, like, they didn't both become green or both become blue. It wasn't him projecting the color.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. So this is just a fashion choice. And then guys and bad guys are.

Jack: General Grievous, who's some sort of robot thing with four arms, picked up their lightsabers. Or actually he was wielding lightsabers from dead Jedi, and they were still blue and green along with his red ones.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Or he had no red ones. I think he killed people for all of them. Okay, so he had two blue ones and two green ones.

Cristina: He can do the same magic trick stuff.

Jack: I don't think General Grievous has the.

Cristina: Force, but he can use the Lifesavers.

Jack: Yes. I. I'm not really sure how the. That. I never really thought. This is so many holes in this garbage. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we don't really know everything about Is general stuff.

Jack: Oh, man. I gotta look this up at some point.

Cristina: He might be a. What are they called?

Jack: He's some sort of Jedi thing. Yeah. Like, maybe he's not all robot androids be. I'm just assuming he has some humanity.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Yes, I think so. In Japan, though, ladies that are single get black cats because they think it brings them luck with dates and stuff. Like, they'll get more dates if they have a black cat.

Jack: That's interesting. I don't know why that would be the case.

Cristina: I don't know. Because they think black cats are good luck with love. Like the other place thought with health, and another place was, like, with money.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Black cats are needed to go hunting for treasure in Chile from a creature called the carbuncle. It's some magical creature. It looks like a cat or a dog or fireflies. And it's glowy, and it might have a gem that glows on it. There's like a bunch of different descriptions of what it looks like. Kind of like the Loch Ness Monster, where it's just. It looks like something similar to this. Like, they're all describing something that's somewhat similar, I guess, but not really to.

Jack: The Loch Ness monster.

Cristina: No, like in the Loch Ness monster stories, they were like that. Like, some of them saw it. It had a long neck. Some of them were like. No, it had. I don't know, like, the descriptions of the. When we did the Loch Ness monsters, there's a bunch of different descriptions of the creature.

Jack: Those descriptions were pretty similar.

Cristina: Well, the one that was. They saw outside of the car. They saw it outside of the car. And it looked. It sounded like more, I think, like an Alex Gator or something.

Jack: Outside of the car.

Cristina: Yeah. Or a motorcycle or something. They were just driving by the place and they just saw it on the street.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was like sunbathing or some s*** or something.

Cristina: Yeah. And I don't think that one just. It was described similar to the other ones.

Jack: Yeah. But I feel like the, like, 99.99% of the other ones are kind of the same s***.

Cristina: This one, I guess it's. Whatever. It's very varied of the description except that it's glowy. That's the only thing that they all seem to have in common.

Jack: Can hunt the glowing thing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because of the cat's glowing eyes.

Cristina: The cat's glowing eyes.

Jack: You ever seen a cat in the dead of dark?

Cristina: Oh, yes. I don't know. Because it has to be specifically a black cat. I don't know why?

Jack: Because black cat powers, man.

Cristina: Black cat powers. Yes. If you want to catch a carbuncle, you want to see a picture of a carbuncle, though. It's a very cute little creature right there. Look at it. It's adorable. It has a gem on its head.

Jack: It looks something between like Jolteon from Pokemon and a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it does. And it is adorable, right?

Jack: It's basically a Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. Wouldn't you want to catch that yourself?

Jack: Catching any Pokemon is slavery and kind of abuse.

Cristina: Wouldn't it be like catching a pet or something? Are you saying pets are like that? I don't know, because I'm not talking about catching it and then battling people with your kabunkulo.

Jack: You're talking about putting. Crushing it into a sphere. No, a sphere that is roughly the size of a Pokeball.

Cristina: I don't mean about catching it like a Pokeball with a Pokeball. I mean catching it like, I don't know, with. In a cage cave into some sort.

Jack: Of mythical creature or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. But they think it's real. Okay.

Jack: This is like a Chupacabra.

Cristina: This is the Chupacabra of Chile. And to get the treasure of this is very complicated. And I'm going to share with you how to do this, because it's crazy, but it's awesome. It's crazy awesome. Okay, you see this creature? What you got to do is throw a lasso at it. Then it will disappear with a lasso, and then you got to come back in the morning to see where the lasso is, because it's going to be buried in the Ground, but with a little bit of it sticking out. And you'll know that's where the treasure is. Sort of.

Jack: Because not really the treasure is where the. So you can't catch a creature.

Cristina: No, sadly, this is just for the treasure that the creature has.

Jack: Okay. Now this is some sort of cat thing itself. It's like a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why does it have treasure?

Cristina: It's like the leprechaun, I guess.

Jack: The leprechaun is like a person, so.

Cristina: No, it's not. It's a fairy creature thing. Ghost. It's pretty complicated.

Jack: Pretty self aware. Consciously, like humanoid.

Cristina: So maybe this thing is the same too.

Jack: It just doesn't look it, I guess, but I guess, sure, sure.

Cristina: It looks like a fairy. Who knows it's a fairy.

Jack: It does not look like a fairy. It looks like a fox.

Cristina: It looks like a magical fairy fox thing. Okay.

Jack: Looks like a pretty plain fox.

Cristina: Okay. With the gem on its head.

Jack: Yeah. We'll assume fur colored differently.

Cristina: Okay, well, this fox thing has treasure for some reason. Maybe it just. I don't know why you would have treasure. Maybe like shiny things. It collects shiny things. Like the thing on its head.

Jack: Like birds.

Cristina: Oh, like birds. Yeah.

Jack: Maybe you don't find it in a.

Cristina: Box because it would be weird if you actually find the treasure and it's in a treasure box. Oh, I think it is in a treasure box. Never mind. It's in a treasure box. You do find it in a treasure box. That's amazing. This is a magical fox thing. I don't know. Oh, yes, but. So you go there in the morning, you see the rope, you gotta leave. Well, you don't have to leave. You should leave though, because what you'll need next is a new shovel and a widow. And she has to be holding a black cat.

Jack: A widow, yes.

Cristina: This is part of the plan. I don't know how they came up with this plan.

Jack: Get to the gold.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The treasure. Didn't you already find where the treasure is?

Cristina: It's more complicated than that. That's where it's gonna be.

Jack: Except that it's not there yet.

Cristina: It's not there at all. It was there maybe. And then I guess this cat is magical. So it moves the treasure to different spots, underground, on the ground until it gets tired of using its magic to move it. And then it's there. I guess that's how it goes. That's how I think it works. Because. Okay, so with the new shovel, you're gonna dig that hole and then you're gonna throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: So you can bury the cat in the hole.

Cristina: No. And then the cat's gonna disappear. And then while you're digging the next hole, the cat's gonna reappear in the old lady's hand.

Jack: And the old lady's not gonna freak out.

Cristina: I'm guessing she knows. She's been through this a lot. I don't know how. Like maybe the first time.

Jack: Every town has an old lady whose job it is to hold a cat.

Cristina: The black cat. Yep.

Jack: When you're looking for gold because of some sort of demon fairy fox thing.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how the first. Like, how they came up with this crazy plan in the first place that worked out like this. They must have tried a million other things right before they thought, like, What? It was this random old widow lady. Like, how did they come get that stuff? How did they get the cat? Did they try dogs? Did they try young girls? Did they try little boys?

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: How many? Okay, so they got. You got the old lady, you got the cat. You keep digging holes, you throw the cat in. Eventually you'll hit the right spa.

Jack: Like, just go rob a bank. It's. It's that era where that's easy to do. What I feel like it would be less steps and you have more chances of succeeding. All these steps and that treasure might not even, like, be great.

Cristina: Yes. And also, if you show any fear, you'll be poisoned when you open the box.

Jack: Sweet. So you'll also die.

Cristina: See? See, It's. It's definitely a treasure. I don't know it's worth risking your life for, but I'm. I'm guessing it's really cool. Like, what would this little ador. Terrible thing be hiding? It must be amazing. It's gotta be. Maybe it's his puppies.

Jack: Maybe it's not even. Maybe it's just garbage. Hoarding garbage sticks.

Cristina: Sticks.

Jack: You open it as it sticks.

Cristina: That's so disappointing.

Jack: It's treasure, not your treasure.

Cristina: Oh, that's. That's crappy. And how did it get the poison in the box?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That only knows. Like, it knows when you're fear. When you're showing fear, when you're digging holes and then the poison let out. This is. There's a lot of magic happening here with this creature.

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case.

Cristina: Yes. So I wonder how they even came up with this weird way of catching it.

Jack: Whoever thinks magic is. Whoever thinks this creature even exists is prone to just crazy s***. So they just like, stack like 12 different superstitions on top of each other.

Cristina: Yes. Also part of the. Besides, if you have any fear, you'll die, of course. But if you don't throw the cat in the hole, you can also die. You have to throw the cat in the hole.

Jack: Even if it won't stay in the hole.

Cristina: Even if it don't. Yeah. Because it's gonna, you know, disappear anyway or whatever. But yes. And you said that thing looks like what again?

Jack: Like a Phoenix Fox.

Cristina: Like a Phoenix Fox. But it reminded you of a Pokemon.

Jack: Jolteon.

Cristina: Jolteon? Why?

Jack: Jolteon kinda looks like Jolteon or Flareon. Flambo is one of the eons.

Cristina: Well, I'm going to say that it's based on. Or I guess the Pokemon that's based on it is Espeon.

Jack: Espeon doesn't have a diamond in its head.

Cristina: It doesn't?

Jack: Oh, Espeon does. I was thinking, for whatever reason, Vaporeon.

Cristina: And it's a psychic.

Jack: Yeah. And I don't know if that fluffy tail like this thing.

Cristina: Well, we don't know what its tail really looks like.

Jack: The one who does have a fluffy tail is Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. But it's a psychic. Can we describe these powers as psychic? I don't know. When you have magic powers, is that psychic?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Okay, we'll just say that the diamond is what makes it look Espeon.

Jack: Yeah, because otherwise it looks like Flareon.

Cristina: Yeah. And there's another. There's. If so, Espeon is probably based on that, but also another creature, another from another mythology, which is a Japanese one called the Nekomata. And this creature has. It's a cat. It's a really. When your cat gets super duper, duper old instead of, I guess, dying, it just. Its tail will split up into. And then it becomes evil. It becomes evil and wants to eat you.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. That's what the Neca Mata is. There are two types of neck omadas. There's one that lives in the mountain. The mountain ones have eyes like a cat and a body of a dog, which is, I guess, very scary. I don't know, because. What's the. What about the face? No, I think it has the body of a dog. So it has probably the face of a dog with a cat eyes. I don't know if that's really that scary. But they describe it as a beast. I don't know if you think of that as a beast.

Jack: I mean, a beast is anything that's not human.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, I guess dogs Are beasts everything that's not human. Oh, okay. So, yes. Well, this beast is very dog like, even though it's a cat. They eat humans and they live deep in the mountains, and they also shapeshift.

Jack: Into humans because everything shape shifts into humans.

Cristina: Yes. And then the other type that I told you already was the domestic cat, Nekomata, which is just a cat that grows old, and for some reason, its tail splits up into two. And that is what Espeon has, if you notice. Its tail is two. Has two tails.

Jack: Yes. Yes, it does, actually.

Cristina: Yeah. And I found one story about this creature. If you want to hear it, go for it. A rich samurai. There was a rich samurai whose house was haunted, and no one could figure out what to do. So he kept bringing in, like, priests and other people to get rid of the spirit, and nothing worked. Until a servant saw that his cat. There was something wrong with the cat. It was holding something in its mouth. I think it was a tiny ghost in its mouth. So he killed the cat. And then they saw that the cat had two tails, and they were like, oh, that's an evil cat. It's an evil cat. Yes. And I think they used to kill or cut off the cat's tails. When you own a pet cat in Japan, so that it won't turn into a nekomara when it gets old, preemptively.

Jack: Just chop off its tail.

Cristina: Yeah. Look at this one. This is a picture of one. And they're learning how to walk on their legs.

Jack: You mean a drawing of one?

Cristina: Yeah, the drawing. It's based on the real creature. These are cats that are. Their tails are split and they're walking onto. Because that's what happens when cats get owed.

Jack: Their tails split in two, and then they just walk exclusively on their hind legs.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So now you know more about Espeon's background.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yes. And there are other Pokemon that are based on very strange mythologies as well, like Ninetales.

Jack: Ninetales? What the f*** is that?

Cristina: Based on a fox that has nine tails.

Jack: Ninetails is a horse, isn't it?

Cristina: What? What are you talking about? Oh, I don't have a picture of Ninetales. I'm gonna show you nine tails.

Jack: Oh, yeah. I was thinking about a horse with a bunch of tails.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But not as. Not the Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah, it's a Pokemon. Oh. What's Rapidash? Evolves into what?

Cristina: Rapidash is evolved form, isn't it?

Jack: Is it?

Cristina: It's just a big horse. I don't. With a fiery tail. It doesn't have many tails. Ninetales.

Jack: Holy. I don't know why I always picture Ninetales with some sort of a horse.

Cristina: You thought it was a. I mean, it's a really big fox.

Jack: Yeah, it's a huge fox. The previous form is obviously a fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is borderline dog.

Cristina: I can see that. Yeah. It's got a doggish face. It's a. It's a big, big.

Jack: I don't know why I never until this day considered the fact that Ninetales was a f****** fox. And, like, duh. It's just the evolution of baby fox.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which was a tiny little fox with.

Cristina: A really cute hairstyle.

Jack: And then it evolved into this thing that looks nothing like a fox. It's like a dog.

Cristina: Yes, but it is a fox. Because foxes in. I think it's also Japan. I think also maybe in China. But foxes, after growing old, they get more tails throughout their lifetime.

Jack: Is that real?

Cristina: Is that real? No.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: That would be cool. Well, these creatures, they're called Kitsun, and as they age, they grow extra tails. And when they grow nine tails, they turn white.

Jack: Interesting. And do they become evil or they just become these majestically beautiful kinds of things?

Cristina: There's varying, very varied stories about them. Some of them are good stories, some of them are bad.

Jack: Do they leave trails of fire? That'd be cool.

Cristina: I think they're psychic. They have a bunch of abilities. A bunch of abilities. Also, after a hundred years, they have infinite wisdom.

Jack: This is very interesting because this line up heavily with Shinto.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: It's these creatures. They are probably technically dead, but their spirit.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Is what we're witnessing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. Well, yeah. This pretty much, Instead of dying, it seems like they live. Even though I guess it could be their spirit is living.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And that's really happening.

Jack: Notice the transition from one point to the other.

Cristina: That's why it's white now instead of.

Jack: The orangey seamless move into a spirit form.

Cristina: Amazing. Wow.

Jack: So in the case of, like, creatures that guard, like, the spirit of the ocean or that, like, something has to die and then become the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But one of these creatures could be a mythical. Think of like, you remember Suicune, the movie of Pokemon, saying, you know, singing on the Pokemon theme, that it was in the woods, like one of the legendary.

Cristina: Something. No.

Jack: When they went back in time.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: And there was the blue dog thing that was chasing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the spirit of the forest or the woods or some s***. Or the lake. That's in there or some crap like that. Now, the assumption here is that was just a dog at some point, and then that dog lived very long, and then that dog transitioned to being the spirit of that place, but you never see the dog die. I think the same thing would apply here.

Cristina: I think they said that dogs were somehow related to the spirits of that Ghost Tower thing where all the dead Pokemon were kept.

Jack: I don't know. I'm relating to Shinto.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, if this was Shinto, that's what would be happening. You never see the death of the.

Cristina: Pokemon because it didn't die. The next stage of life.

Jack: Yeah. Sort of like what I think would happen if we died. People would see our body die, but we wouldn't see ourselves die. We would just be like, hey, I'm here. This is weird. What's happening?

Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting. Whoa.

Jack: So these creatures that just move forward, like, transform into this other thing, and to them it's just, well, I'm here. I'm doing my thing.

Cristina: Yes. But these things are. These creatures are so incredible. Like, infinite wisdom.

Jack: What the f*** does that even mean?

Cristina: I don't know. That's amazing. It sounds amazing. I don't know if that's actually an.

Jack: Amazing ability that makes it impossible to catch because it's always wiser than you are.

Cristina: Yes. I remember some stories where they can turn into people. They like to turn into girls for some reason. And if they get drunk, they might end up like. Like a tail might pop up. But that could be before they get their nine tails. Is when they're a little bit more riskier and they'll do something. And the tail. They won't be able to hide their tail. They sometimes do show off their tail, so I don't know. Well, how infinite ones them helps them. So it's probably that they get it. I mean, they. By the time they reach infinite wisdom, they probably stop pretending to be humans and things like that, because they weren't doing very good at that. They weren't very good at that. So I'm guessing that's a younger fox. Yeah.

Jack: They don't have the infinite wisdom and maturity.

Cristina: Yeah. They also have gained the ability to see and hear anything anywhere in the world. They're omni. Whatever.

Jack: Omnipresent.

Cristina: Yes. Is that something omniscient? I don't know which one. There's so many omni stuff. The Omni one with hearing and seeing.

Jack: Yeah. I think omniscient covers all the bases.

Cristina: And when they get. And after a thousand years, they become Gold. I wonder if we'll see that in the Pokemon world.

Jack: First they become white, then gold.

Cristina: Yes. They either turn white or gold after a thousand years. Yeah. I thought it was at 100 years. But at 100 years they should have all their tails by a hundred years. But if they don't, then by a thousand years when they have it, they'll change the color which would be either white or gold.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So they just live forever. They're immortal.

Cristina: They're immortal, yes. Who's counting these ages? What human is like, okay. Or are they? I guess because they're in their wisdom and whatever. Like they gotta be pretty human. They. You have to be able to count the years. Right.

Jack: Guess the stories down.

Cristina: Yeah. These foxes, like the people who kept.

Jack: Track of that like 700 year old turtle or whatever the f*** it was like the great, great, great, great grandparents had a photo with the turtle.

Cristina: Oh, that's so sick.

Jack: It was. There was a drawing of the turtle originally. Because there weren't cameras.

Cristina: Oh. And it just. That was the proof that it was the same turtle.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz the turtle stayed in the family.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then they just. There was like 12 or 13 sketches of the turtle. Because it would take. It would have a new thing done per generation. So I'm the father. I had it. My son is gonna do one with the turtle too. It's a family turtle.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: His son is gonna do one with the turtle. Eventually cameras happened.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we transition over. And it's really huge. Black and white.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: Not even black and white. That's sort of like orangey old school film.

Cristina: And you said how long?

Jack: It was like 700-year-old turtle.

Cristina: 700-Year-Old turtle?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's a crazy old turtle that's older than a white fox. Oh my gosh. So turtles live forever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then they'll never become the spirit turtle.

Jack: Because they'd have to die in a seamless transition.

Cristina: Yes. But if those powers weren't crazy enough. There's so many powers. So many. They can possess people. They have fire and lightning. They are a Pokemon. They can appear in other people's dreams. They can fly.

Jack: The f****** omniscient part is what's crazy about this.

Cristina: It's just like see and hear everything.

Jack: And be everywhere all at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it's God. They just become God.

Cristina: It could create illusions. So. Yes. Like what? What?

Jack: Interesting. Just morph into a God.

Cristina: And those are its baby powers. The greater powers. You're not ready for this. Birth universes able to bend time and space.

Jack: Right, Right.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: That's very suicune.

Cristina: Mm. They can drive people mad. Which isn't that crazy already because of all the things they could already do.

Jack: To you, like weak sauce.

Cristina: And also shapeshift into tall trees or a second moon in the sky.

Jack: That's pretty hardcore.

Cristina: That's pretty hardcore. So if we ever see a second moon in the sky, you know, it's this white fox.

Jack: It's a fox. Another giant object about to collide into the moon and destroy our entire solar system as we know it. Yeah, it's just a fox.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh. And like succubus, they could drink the life out of you if they wanted. Through sex.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Why? I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. My question would be, like, would they want to, though? Like, they can if they wanted to.

Cristina: But they want to. I don't know. I guess they would because I guess.

Jack: It would be like different personalities and some are like, imma be the bad.

Cristina: Yeah. Because some are, I'm guessing, bad and some are really good and rainbow of them. Yes. Because there's some that just get married to a guy and then, like, he finds out what she is and she runs away.

Jack: In love, death and robots. There was a spirit girl who turned. Gets turned into, like, a robot, which, by the way, watch. Love, death and robots. Audience, this is just. Just pay attention to that show.

Cristina: Beautiful stuff.

Jack: But, like, that was that thing.

Cristina: I think so. I think it was the kitsune.

Jack: Yeah. It was just some iteration of that where she didn't have many tales. But it was the same thing.

Cristina: Yes, it was just a fox, spirit creature thing. I think it's like the Irish folklore where fairy can be considered a creature, a ghost, you know, all those combination of things. But it's still one type of thing. I feel like this fits into that.

Jack: I feel like too, because it's not necessarily a spirit. It. It's not really. But it's like. It's kind of getting there. It's getting to the point where it's not alive in our understanding of alive. It just ages into transcendence. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: That doesn't.

Jack: It must be dying in the course. And the death it goes through is so different than what we understand as death.

Cristina: Yes, but we just. Yeah, we just don't understand it. So.

Jack: And it's. It died and now it's this new thing. Or we. We have to divide evolution into two things. There's gradual natural evolution and then there's celestial evolution, which happens in one Moment to another phase.

Cristina: Like, phase like. Yeah, but like, everyone around you would see death, though. Is that what it would be or.

Jack: No, in the case of just people. Yes. You just died and now you're always dead. In the case of one of these creatures, it seems like. Well, no, I hit the point. Bright light. Oh, my God, it's blinding. Light goes away. It's a different thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except even if we don't see that moment that happened there somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Where it's like it's slowly gotten wider and wider and grown extra tails, and at some point it started phasing in and out of existence.

Cristina: Like in Pokemon, where it's just one minute they're one thing, the next is another thing.

Jack: Yeah. It would be a quicker evolution than like humans evolving.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It takes us millions and millions of years. Theirs happens in the course of their lifetime.

Cristina: Yes, man. Ninetales are pretty cool, man. That anime was so awesome. Not anime that love death and robots. Love Death and robots episode. It's pretty cool, but yeah. So this Psychic Fox thing is probably what Ninetales was based on, right? We can agree to that.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Think so. And then in 1955, it was five adults and seven children. They went to the police station because they claimed that small aliens from a spaceship was attacking their farm. And they were in a. Like a shoot off with these aliens. And then the cops went to the farm just to make sure that they weren't like, attacking their neighbors instead or something. Because I don't think they assumed aliens. And they looked around and they only found the shells from the guns and hoes around the barn area. So there was shooting happening, but they couldn't find the aliens, Right?

Jack: Sounds about right.

Cristina: Yes. And the description of the aliens, Sableye, was inspired from this UFO encounter.

Jack: It. Wait, this came after that?

Cristina: Yeah. This is from the. Yeah.

Jack: And this is third generation, Right. This is like where it was still cool.

Cristina: Where it was still cool Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Before Pokemon got whack.

Cristina: Yeah. Who knew? They based things off of real weird events. I know, like they based on items and creatures and stuff, but aliens. I mean, they do have some aliens in the Pokemon world as well. Like Clefairy.

Jack: Yeah. She's a literal alien.

Cristina: She's a literal alien. Yes. So Sableye is also, or at least based on a real alien. That's pretty. That's probably one of the most interesting. The Pokemon. A lot of them are based on mythologies, or not a lot of them, but some of them are based off of mythologies and stabilized based On a real quote unquote event.

Jack: Yeah. There's a bunch of Pokemon based on a bunch of different things that are going on. Anywhere from just inanimate objects, animals to mythology, different mythical creatures and gods of different sorts as well as totally inanimate things. And like f******. Just not even inanimate things, but things that you couldn't hold. Like pollution.

Cristina: Pollution, yes. That's my favorite Pokemon pollution. Yeah.

Jack: Natural trash wonders like volcanoes are also Pokemon.

Cristina: Oh yeah? Yep. But did you know ghost too?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Do you know the Pokemon Mawile? Mawile. I hope that's you how you pronounce it. It's a plant Pokemon. And it has like a. A giant leaf on its head. And it has like a giant mouth in the back of its head.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Malwa is based on Furikuchi una, which is literally means two mouthed lady.

Jack: Because there's a lady with two mouths in some folklore.

Cristina: Yes, it happens because she. Because she doesn't like eating or something. She doesn't want to eat. And the mouth. And I guess her body's still hungry even though she's not. She's choosing not to eat. So it's develops a mouth and then its hair is turn alive like a. Like an octopus legs or something, whatever. And it grabs the food and forces it inside the mouth that's hungry. Well, it doesn't force it into the mouth. It helps the mouth eat because she won't eat.

Jack: So it's one mouth forcing. It's one mouth being forced to eat.

Cristina: No, the no mouth is being forced to eat. The hungry mouth is eating. The hares is helping it eat.

Jack: Oh, I understand.

Cristina: Not her main mouth. Her main mouth does not want to eat. So she doesn't eat. But then the other mouth is made and then it just starts eating for the both of them. So she ends up eating double instead of one normal meal. Because she was just too. I don't know. I don't know why she chose. She chooses not to eat until she's anorexia.

Jack: Yes, it's the anorexia Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So most of these stories involve her marrying some guy who's like really greedy and he doesn't like to waste his money. So he sees this. This lady who doesn't eat and he's like whoa, Imma save so much money with this lady. And so they get married and then because she doesn't eat, she develops the.

Jack: Mouth and then the mouth eats the guy.

Cristina: No, he just gets scared when he see he finds out because I wonder if there's a Story. I haven't read one, though, of him finding out that she attacks him. There's probably horror movies like that, though. But yes. Then there's a Pokemon called Dunsparce. You know that Pokemon?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It is so adorable. It is the cutest Pokemon ever. No, they're all cute. A lot of them are cute. Okay. And Dunspar is based on a creature called Sushi no Ko, which is like Japanese Bigfoot, which not like, doesn't look like him, but it's like a version of Bigfoot for them. Like, they see this creature, but there's no proof of its existence. And the Sushi no Ko looks pretty much like what the Pokemon's based on. It looks like a fat, fat snake that's had, like the body in the middle is super fat. Like it's just eating something.

Jack: And how does it move?

Cristina: It moves very oddly. It moves. It moves like a slug or snail. Like, I don't know, like it's going back and forth, forward.

Jack: Like it expands and contracts over and over.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is. I wish I could see this creature move. So, yeah, this is like an overweight, a fat snake that instead of slithering, it just moves forward. It's adorable. And the legends say that it can leap great bounds. It could leap over buildings and etc. And that's why they think the Pokemon has its little wings that it has. You know, it has these cute little wings that it probably doesn't use in the poke world. You know, those little things. So that's probably why it has it, because the creature is known to jump.

Jack: So it's like Magikarp.

Cristina: Like Magikarp, yes. Is Magikarp known for jumping over mountains?

Jack: Over mountains, yeah.

Cristina: So then it turns into a dragon. Although Magikarp is also based on a mythology, you know. You've heard of that one though, right?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I think it's Chinese. It's carps just trying to get up a mountain where there's a gate up there, the Dragon Gate. And if they can get up there, which is really hard to get there, they turn into a dragon. And that's Gyarados. So it's based on both magic.

Jack: Japanese dragon, too? No, it's a Chinese. Right. It's very Chinese dragon.

Cristina: It's. Yeah, I think it's Chinese. Yes. Yes. Some Tsuchinoko can speak. And they also love to drink alcohol, which is awesome. Wouldn't you want that as a pet? It's a fat worm that. What is it? Like, it moves towards you in a weird slug like way and likes to Drink alcohol and speak to you.

Jack: I wouldn't want that. Now that's weird.

Cristina: What? Who knows what Hit wants to say to you? Although it does have the habit to lie. So maybe it's a good thing that you don't want to talk to it. What could it be lying about? I want to know. It's lies.

Jack: Maybe it's sarcastic lying. Maybe it's like, yeah, man, I was gambling outside and it's like you've been slowly been creeping around the house the whole day just pretending it had like a real cool. Like, I bet you don't know where I was today. Like, I've seen you crossing the living room for the past seven days. Yeah, you've been nowhere.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, what an awesome fact. Oh, that is so awesome. I hope it's exactly like that.

Jack: Always just sarcastically cracking stupid jokes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There aren't necessarily lies as much as they are just sarcasm.

Cristina: Yeah. That's beautiful. And it's always has some excuse of why the beer bottle is empty or whatever.

Jack: And he knows, you know, but he's also like totally not like being upfront about it.

Cristina: Yes. So awesome.

Jack: Where's that beer can empty? I don't know. I found it like that.

Cristina: Man, they should make this Pokemon even more like the Sunoku because it already looks like it. Why not make it behave like that? That is awesome. Not very kid friendly though.

Jack: No, it's very adult content.

Cristina: Well, if they ever want to make Pokemon an adult contest type of show. Because they do that. They do that. This creature also likes to swallow its tail and it rolls around like a wheel.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Like a wheel? Like in a circle. Like it has its mouth. The tail is in its mouth, so it's a circle on it.

Jack: So it just becomes an Ouroboros at random?

Cristina: Yeah, it becomes an Ouroboros. They think it's similar to a hoop snake. Have you heard of a hoop snake that's a legend in America and Australia.

Jack: I haven't heard of a hoob snake.

Cristina: Well, I guess over here in Australia and in Canada, people have seen snakes bite their tail and turn into wheels. I don't know. That's a really wild. Snakes are weird, I guess. I don't know if any pet snakes have done that, but they swear they've seen snakes do that in the wild, I guess. That's so cool. What do you think about Sneasel?

Jack: Great Pokemon. It's kind of overpowered.

Cristina: What type of Pokemon is it? A dark Pokemon?

Jack: Yeah, it's a dark. Dark and normal or some s***. I'm not sure. Maybe it might be pure dark. I'm not sure.

Cristina: The sneasel is based on a Japanese creature called the Kama Itachi, which is the words for sickle and weasel.

Jack: Sickle, weasel, Sickle, weasel.

Cristina: Which. It looks like a weasel with sickles for its hands. It.

Jack: It doesn't really look like a weasel. No, really, it looks like, physically like our metaphoric definition of a weasel. Like a sneaky person.

Cristina: Oh, it just looks like a sneaky person.

Jack: Yeah, it's.

Cristina: You wouldn't trust that guy.

Jack: No, it's probably gonna steal some s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, these kami. These kama Itachi are so, so scary. They're so scary. They're sneaky for sure. They like to. They like to hunt in three, and they move very quickly around you. The first one knocks you down. The second one uses its long sickle like hands and cuts your leg off. And the third one heals your wound. And then you don't realize you were attacked because they're stealing parts of your leg. They're stealing meat to eat for later. Cause that's cool. Oh, my gosh. That's horrifying.

Jack: That's pretty f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. You would just think that you were tripped, but that's what really happened. Why you tripped. That is the story of why you tripped. These three sneaky creatures ripped your leg off. Well, they didn't rip your leg. Oh. They ripped your leg open, took some meat, and then sewed it back up like nothing happened.

Jack: So never notice.

Cristina: Yep. What?

Jack: No harm, no foul.

Cristina: No harm. Like tripping over there? That sucks. What? I mean, I guess it could be happening over here and you wouldn't know because they move so fast. There's a Pokemon called the Manectric, which has. It's very bluey and yellowy and it's electric. And it's based on a Japanese legend of Raiju, which is a thunder wolf or dog. Thunderdog. Thunder beast. It's a thunder animal. It could be anything, really, because it has many different. You know how the other one had a. It could be a cat or a dog or flies or fireflies for the carbuncle. Well, this one, it could be a cat or a dog or a mouse. It could be a fish. It could be a squirrel. There's so many different.

Jack: So it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, I guess so.

Jack: But the main form, by saying it's a shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yes, but the main form, I guess, that it likes to. It prefers, is a dog. And this dog when it walks around, its body is made out of lightning. And in bad weather, it likes to run around. And that's why you see lightning and thunder, because that's it jumping around everywhere.

Jack: It's hanging out in the sky on.

Cristina: Top of buildings and trees and stuff. Wherever you see, like, marks, burnt marks where lightning has struck, that's really the Raju.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Also, another Pokemon that might be based on this is Raichu, which is also electric, but it's the mouse. But this thing looks like whatever, so there could be any electric Pokemon based on this.

Jack: It's like almost all folklore are about some sort of shapeshifter.

Cristina: Yeah. My favorite thing of this Raju creature is it's the companion of Raijin, who's the God of lightning. And whenever he looks for him, he strikes at him to wake him up from where he sleeps. And where this creature likes to sleep, sleep is in belly buttons.

Jack: So he becomes microscopic? Not microscopic, but super tiny.

Cristina: Yes. So people during thunderstorms lie on their stomach so that it won't sleep in their belly button. Also, there's stories that he only sleeps on your belly button if you're sleeping outside. Fair.

Jack: That makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. It's a cute story. It's not a cute story because I guess you die in the end of that story. But it likes to sleep in your belly button. I don't know why, but it does. I want to see that Pokemon turn into a tiny thing and, like, sleep in Ash's belly button. No, that would be weird. That would be really weird. But there's a legend about this creature about. In a stormy night, a samurai drew his sword in the right time because he struck something. A lightning bolt. And of course it. Well, when he struck the lightning bolt, the whole area became smoky. And he didn't see what happened until the smoke cleared. And then he saw a dead Raiju on the ground.

Jack: Why did he attack lightning?

Cristina: I don't know. Because he thought his blade could do something. I feel like that would kill him.

Jack: Though his blade did do something. But, like, why did he know?

Cristina: He's got six sense. 10 cents. He's got super sense. That's how great it is. I guess the highest level of samurai in this. Is there belt in samurai? Is there, like, a high samurai level of, you know, like in karate?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: Then there's Ho Ho. You know Ho ho.

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: Ho oh. You know Ho oh. Can you guess what Ho oh was based on?

Jack: Ho oh.

Cristina: It is a firebird. How many firebirds do you know it's a phoenix? Yes, it's a phoenix. It's a phoenix. In Japan, the phoenix is called Ho. Oh.

Jack: Ah.

Cristina: So, yes, they didn't really switch up anything. It's really just the phoenix in the game. There's no magic happening there. I mean, it's not really based on. It really is just. Just the Phoenix. It's just the Phoenix. When it comes to those birds, is there just one in the world or are there multiple?

Jack: That is a fantastic question. There are three legendary birds. Three legendary dogs. Mew, Mewtwo. We at least know Mewtwo for a fact. There's only one. Yes, there's Lugia. Ho. Oh, and like, what about all the Regis? What about Celebi? What, like, is there one of these m************? Just one of each.

Cristina: How does that work?

Jack: Where the f*** did it come from?

Cristina: Yes. Unless the God monster, the God Pokemon made them.

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: Is one of them.

Jack: I think so. I think it comes. It breaks down in that fashion.

Cristina: But what happens when one dies?

Jack: They're gone.

Cristina: They're just gone.

Jack: Yeah. I think it starts at the God Pokemon, Whatever the f***. Arceus.

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Then created the universe. And Mew is Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mew made the living things.

Cristina: Well, then that's not very Jesus. Like, God made everyone.

Jack: So I guess he's God.

Cristina: Yeah, he's really God.

Jack: Because Arceus is the God of the gods.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just seeing the Christian God is made by this other God.

Jack: Yeah, the Christian God was made by Arceus.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe there's a Pokemon called Whiscash, which is a catfish Pokemon. Or I think it's a giant cat. I would say it is.

Jack: It's a catfish.

Cristina: It's a catfish with giant whiskers. Very simple. It's based on a catfish creature. In Japan, in the Japanese myth, there is a catfish named Namazu, which likes to create earthquakes and stuff just by flapping its tail. It's just so huge that it creates earthquakes.

Jack: And this Pokemon is that big?

Cristina: I don't think it's that big, but it has attacks that are similar. It creates earthquake attacks. Isn't that a Pokemon attack?

Jack: Water and ground?

Cristina: Yeah, it's water and ground. That's exactly the type. Is there many water and ground? Because isn't ground weakness to water? So, yeah.

Jack: So this Pokemon's particularly overpowered.

Cristina: Well, yeah, there's Zap. Zapdos. I don't know if we talked about Zapdos. Not Zapdos, but what he's based on which is the Thunderbird. I don't know if we talked about the Thunderbird before.

Jack: The f*** is a Thunderbird?

Cristina: Okay, good. Well, Thunderbirds are mythical creatures that the Native Americans believed in, right? And they created thunders and they control lightning and all that stuff. Good stuff. And they like there was a bunch of different tribes and they have all these different ideas of it and most of it revolves around like they're here to either watch over us, to see that we're doing the right thing, you know, like good or bad or whatever. And they'll punish us if we're bad. There's some like they. They're fighting water creatures. There's like giant snakes or giant water creatures that they. That are the enemies of these birds for some reason. So they have this epic fight and that's what's creating those thunderstorms and stuff is just the fight of these animals.

Jack: Like Battle of the Titans or something.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's some underworld creature versus giant bird creatures. There's a Pokemon called Golok which looks like a robot. He looks like a giant robot?

Jack: Yeah, he's a Golem, not a robot.

Cristina: He's a Go. Well, he is a Golem. He's based on a Golem. How can you tell he looks like. I mean, besides this picture that I have of him next to the Golem he's based on. How could you tell he's a Golem?

Jack: Does not look like a robot to me.

Cristina: I don't know what a Golem looks like.

Jack: Sonic Ripoff Eggman designed robot. Are you talking about he looks exactly.

Cristina: Like a Sonic Ripoff.

Jack: I see that. I see exactly why you think he looks like a robot.

Cristina: What do you think he looks like a Golem? What Go have you seen?

Jack: He looks like every. Every Golem looks like that. They're all the same s***.

Cristina: They're all just giant creatures. Oh, there's a Pokemon called Golem. He doesn't look like a Golem.

Jack: Yeah, Golem isn't a Golem.

Cristina: He's not a Golem.

Jack: No, Golem is not a Golem. Golem is a rock. He's specifically a Indiana Jones esque boulder.

Cristina: But those golems all look like different things. Like maybe it is a Golem made out of rocks. No, some of them look fiery.

Jack: Like there are golems made of rocks. But Golem is an Indiana Jones boulder. The one you push off and then roll down the hill.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: That's what he is.

Cristina: Why did they name him Golem? This Pokemon deserves that name. But Golek Golurk. But to Golurk is based on a golem that helped the Jews from one of the many times that they needed help. Because they needed help.

Jack: So golems are biblical?

Cristina: Yes, I guess so. They're Jewish creatures. The Jews make them, and they're magical.

Jack: Jews make golems.

Cristina: I guess they got magic. That's why the Christians hate them. They're like, magic is evil. And we came from that. That is evil. I don't know. I don't know how it works. Maybe they're jealous of that power because.

Jack: They don't have it.

Cristina: They don't have it, Exactly. They've lost. They've lost the powers of creating golems.

Jack: Chew magic.

Cristina: Yes. Well, if you see in the picture, the specific golem in the story has. What would you call those bandages? And the Pokemon golem has that too, you know, I don't know what's called the. And the symbols on it is just, what, magic writing on it, I'm guessing, like runes keep it alive. Like runes? Do they know runes? I don't know. Well, it could be a combo of things, I guess. But in the Pokedex, it says that they're created by the ancient people with the goal of protecting humans and Pokemon, which is what the regular golem is created.

Jack: That's what my golem in Minecraft does. It protects us from creepers and things of such nature.

Cristina: So all golems. Golems are made for that purpose.

Jack: But some golems become evil.

Cristina: They do.

Jack: I don't know. Maybe they're owned by a bad guy. They're just protecting whoever made them, I think. Whoever they're cast to protect.

Cristina: Oh, so they're not really good or bad.

Jack: Yeah, they're probably not even conscious.

Cristina: Yeah, probably.

Jack: There's nothing going on. It's just.

Cristina: Are they like Frankenstein?

Jack: Well, no, that's alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not. It is. He's biological.

Cristina: What level of alive is he?

Jack: He's closer to, like, fire, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, but you.

Jack: I guess. He's not alive. Alive. He's. He's alive, but not by a lot. He is biological, d*** it. He's. Yeah, he's biological.

Cristina: He can't think. He can't. He has no needs.

Jack: Frankenstein.

Cristina: No, I'm talking about the golem.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't realize. We saw it back.

Cristina: Yeah. What is he. How alive is he?

Jack: He's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive at all.

Jack: Basically, a robot that you control with magic instead of electronics.

Cristina: Oh, Even if he looks human.

Jack: Yes. Kind of like a Android that you control remotely.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. That's all that it is. Okay.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, we are running out of time.

Cristina: All of that came from black cats.

Jack: Black cats and Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So beware of these creatures in the woods or something. If you're in the woods with your friend trying to get them to listen to an episode. Is that what happened?

Jack: No. You wandered in the woods with your laptop and a boombox.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And you were trying to get strangers you came across in the woods to listen to the show with you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I guess you stumbled upon a black cat and. Or something.

Cristina: Yes. And you're using it for treasure hunting.

Jack: Yes. But now, all things considered, this isn't the only episode with Pokemon that we have. There are actually a couple of episodes where we mention Pokemon in different. There's no Pokemon specific episode. No, but there are episodes that have a lot of Pokemon, including one where we try to find out if there's cannibalism. No. There's pollution in Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. And hysteria. The Pokemon hysteria. But that was based on real life and not the game.

Jack: Yeah. Wow. We. Do we talk about Pokemon? This is the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: We rarely talk about HO1. That's why I thought, why not we.

Jack: Talk about Pokemon enough for this to be the official Pokemon show.

Cristina: Okay. This is the official Pokemon show.

Jack: At least for this episode.

Cristina: For this episode. Come back for more.

Jack: Find those episodes. If you want some more Pokemon in your life or anything else, you can find those on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTokisconvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate. And if you feel so inclined to review the show with whoever you're forcing.

Cristina: To listen to, let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is very important. So you find people who you care about and love and tell them, hey, just conversation me, you, glass of wine, midnight stars sitting on the beach.

Cristina: They want to be listening to us.

Jack: Yes. And then as soon as you're done with the episode, you play the killers on the beach. Make sure it's about to start raining.

Cristina: No, that sounds very great. It sounds like a great night.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Because here's what I would say. Maybe he was the first saint.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And thus his death got associated with oversleeping because all the other saints would later be living saints. But no, they all have to be dead. So based on this, they're all the saints of oversleeping. If he's not the saint of roosters. Roasted.

Cristina: Roasted. He is the thing of roasted. I don't.

Jack: He's the saint of roasted rooster.

Cristina: It's over sleeper. Because the. I get it. Sort of, I guess, like the rooster, you. You get woken up by a rooster, but the rooster's dead, so you over.

Jack: So. Okay, Okay.

Cristina: I don't know how that. You know, then. What a crazy story.

Jack: It's a title. Not a thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just. We needed to call you something, but.

Cristina: We'Re gonna pray for you if we oversleep, I guess. Or not to oversleep.

Jack: The question is, is that how it works?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: You pray to them for the thing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, there's specific prayers people made for these saints. If you can't make up your own prayer or whatever, you can just find a prayer dedicated to them for a specific thing.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: So people pray for him to not oversleep? I guess. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.05 Hollow9ine Network & Video Games

Fan favorite guest Dave the Klone returns to discuss everything from the state of the gaming industry, the advancements of technology and Neurolink, to the construct of reality, reincarnation and more!

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Topics Discussed:

  • Bob Ross Rep Sheet
  • Video Games
  • Twitch Viewers
  • Media Consumption
  • Annual Games
  • The Construct of Reality
  • Neurolink
  • The Mourning VR Program
  • Robot Apocalypse
  • Advanced Technology
  • Horizon: Zero Dawn
  • Reincarnation
  • Cosmic Background Radiation
  • The Size of Atoms
  • Death, Thanos and Deadpool

Dave's Links:

Website - https://Hollow9ine.Podomatic.com

Instagram - @the_hollow9ine_network

Twitter - @hollow9inecast

Facebook - @Hollow9ineNetwork

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Rambling 130: Human Aliens

What if all the UFOs we’ve seen through the years weren’t being flown by alien lifeforms, but by ancient human astronauts that left Earth long ago? What if every ancient collapsed civilization was technologically advanced in ways we don’t understand? And what if each one managed to get a select group of people off the surface of Earth? The duo unpacks the theory of ancient human astronauts.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

  • Forgetfulness
  • Pyramids of Giza
  • Mayans
  • Ancient Humans
  • Generational Ships
  • Humans From Mars
  • Are 51
  • Stonehenge
  • The Great Void

Art by IG @Zero_Lupo

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes, it is very important that you find somebody to listen to this show with you. Can you imagine?

Cristina: There's no way you could keep doing that.

Jack: That would be great, though. Everything I say just happens. I. This. It sounds familiar, though.

Cristina: What the.

Jack: What kind of a. There's a show or something that did that. Everything he says sounds like this. Almost like you're somewhere between heavily restrained and extreme.

Cristina: Is it, like, from a cartoon or something?

Jack: Man, I don't know. I feel like it's a children's show. Maybe some crap like the reading Rainbow, but LeVar Burton never spoke like that, so it has to be some equivalent. It's not Mr. Rogers. He just spoke like a white guy.

Cristina: Are you positive it wasn't him?

Jack: No, it sounds more like this sounds more like a pedo who's just totally trying not to rape all the children that he's around them by.

Cristina: Doesn't sound familiar. Is it a hippie?

Jack: Is it a hippie? I don't know. It. It doesn't sound familiar to you? It totally sounds familiar to me. Like it's based on something. What children's show?

Cristina: Was it a movie?

Jack: No, I'm pretty sure it was a show.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm like, pretty sure it was a show, but I don't know what show was. Yeah, but, yeah, tell people about the show.

Cristina: Tell everybody.

Jack: Let them know they should be listening to the show. It's very important.

Cristina: It sounds familiar. I just don't.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know what the f*** it is either.

Cristina: I don't know what that is.

Jack: It's weird. Well, here's the thing. People have an ability to remember without remembering.

Cristina: I don't know what does have to do with anything.

Jack: A good example is when you are about to try to talk and somebody's like, hey, what's the name of that thing? Yeah, and you're like, oh, f***, I know the name. I know the name. It's like it doesn't come out. You remember, like, you know what you're Trying to think of. But for whatever reason, you can't think of it.

Cristina: Mm. I forgot what that was called. We were talking about that in deja vu. For some reason, that was one of the things. Random.

Jack: Yeah, you're totally right. I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, man. I wonder, like, what the real engraved, like, psychology behind that is. Like, we know it's a phenomenon. My question is, like, what's causing that to happen in the first place?

Cristina: Death. I don't know. That's. That is a weird. That's a weird thing we do.

Jack: Yeah, it happens a lot, too. It's like, whatever you're trying to remember.

Cristina: The most, it's there. But some, like, you can't find it. I don't know. Your brain is a library, and you.

Jack: Can'T find the book.

Cristina: You can't find. Exactly.

Jack: Exactly. Like, it's there. And in fact, you know where the book is that you're looking or where should be. You know where the book should be, but it's misplaced.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Same thing happens. There's weird instances like that when you have your key or whatever, and you're, like, looking for your key while holding your keys. Like, wait a minute.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or talking on your phone, telling somebody, I don't know where the f*** my phone is.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: It's a weird lapse of, like, thought happening right there. It's a really weird thing that happens, but it goes to show the total stupidity of humanity.

Cristina: How is this.

Jack: Because it's like we're forgetting things we're actively remembering.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where we are. We're literally forgetting the thing we remember. We can't just remember it. We're so dumb. We're forgetting the thing we remember, man. It makes you wonder how we get.

Cristina: Anywhere because of that.

Jack: Yeah. Like, okay, how do we. How do we. How do we do anything, really? Right.

Cristina: Our memory isn't that crap. It's just really randomly that it's that crap.

Jack: Dude. We are part of the most. Or I guess the only. But relative to the rest of the world, we're one of the most technologically advanced locations in the face of the planet. Right. Obviously. Let's not count Singapore. Let's ignore Hong Kong, and let's ignore Japan for a moment. And South Korea. Basically. The Asians got it down. Specific Asians, but the Asians. Technology and advancement and just being advanced societies. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have such a technologically advanced giant masterpiece of civilization going on, and we did that despite being f****** stupid. That's kind of impressive because, again, we'll forget our keys while holding them.

Cristina: Yet somehow cities, the magic of writing it down. We got it all down somewhere. Meh, meh.

Jack: Like, how do we remember to write it down? How does anything work?

Cristina: How does anything work?

Jack: How does anything work?

Cristina: My memory's not that. Correct.

Jack: Look, we can't even figure out not killing each other.

Cristina: Most of us can. And some. I don't know that's true.

Jack: The same people who have the power to kill one another and do are the ones in charge of making the buildings. How do we get from point A to point B? Like, you're over here. Okay, yeah, some of us do. Yeah. None of those people have power. Everybody with self control, zero power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So who gives a s***? Who gives a f*** how much control they have?

Cristina: Well, not everyone with power wants to murder everyone.

Jack: No. But everyone with power is kind of psychotic, kind of one way or another. So how the f*** do we get from point A to point B? We're the peak. Right now is the most advanced moment in all of history where all the technology is at its most advanced. All. Or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like it has to be the f******. Like, man. We don't have the capacity. Right.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like, let's. Let's think about this. If the pyramids were built by us, we had that level of intellect back then.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're better than we were then.

Cristina: Yes. Now that's what we assuming. Yes. Yeah.

Jack: That's why we just come to the conclusion that it was f****** aliens. Right.

Cristina: Because we can't figure that out.

Jack: Because we can't figure that out.

Cristina: We figured out before. We could totally figure it out.

Jack: The question is, here's a. Here's the real question. Here's your question. All jokes aside. Did we. Was it aliens?

Cristina: Was it aliens?

Jack: Was it aliens?

Cristina: Why would they want to do that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That's a waste of time for them.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, they came here and did what exactly?

Jack: I don't know why they came here, but one of the reasons. One of the things they left behind were something like the pyramids. Like, I'm 100% sure if aliens made the pyramids, it wasn't like, go down to Earth, make the pyramids. Aight. We out. Like, I'm definitely sure that's not how it went.

Cristina: So what would.

Jack: It's beyond our understanding, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, that's just one of the things that happened.

Cristina: Mm. You know, aliens came.

Jack: But. But the argument would be, what if there were aliens at all? What if we really did do it? Then how do we. How do we argue that point? Because we. Let's say. So, no aliens, right? We've never seen proof of aliens or anything. In fact, we find proof that people made these things more. We don't know how the f*** they did it. And that's why we're like, aliens did it. But it's like, okay, we have no evidence of aliens. Zero. In fact, we can prove people built it. We just don't know how they did it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, okay, then we go further into the argument, right? And it's like, okay, well, aliens gave them the instructions, and where the f*** are the instructions? That means it's f****** possible. It's possible to be built by f****** humans. And if machines were used, where the f*** are those?

Cristina: I don't think so. I mean, wouldn't they have drawn the machines or something because they were drawing in there? Or that wasn't the people who made it?

Jack: Well, I don't know. Let's think about this real quick. We've seen. There have been episodes where we have looked into these. Like the Great Pyramid of Giza looked inside and see.

Cristina: Yes, there has been some weird.

Jack: There are drawings, and there's literally, like, power coils inside and s***. And it's like, okay, this is ancient. How do you have electrical mechanisms?

Cristina: All right, that could be something else. We're misunderstanding.

Jack: In fact, that's how we concluded that the Mayans did have electricity and thus went to the center of the Earth and connected to the matrix.

Cristina: Yes, that is true. So, but did they have the aliens help, or were they just that smart?

Jack: This. Look, here's my argument. Here's my argument about this, right? If we're perfectly reasonable and really, really think about this, I'm thinking that there are two groups of people. And when we talk about ancient advanced civilizations, we literally mean people that were there, that did not become us, that went extinct or left the planet, or like the Mayans connected to the f****** matrix at the center of the Earth or underground or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Or they flew away.

Jack: Or they flew away. Okay, but the argument would be that there was extremely advanced technology in civilizations that existed here ahead of time. That would be the real argument. And then that would explain things like Stonehenge and things like Machu Picchu and the Great Pyramid of. The great Pyramids of Giza and all that crap. This one called Puma, Puma Kamaku or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: All these weird ancient sites are just odd marvels of engineering that doesn't even make f****** sense.

Cristina: What does the Puma thing look like?

Jack: It's some sort of temple built in parts.

Cristina: Whaaat?

Jack: Basically, Puma Punku is one of the weirdest structures that exists on the planet because it has the layout of what would be different pieces of a temple.

Cristina: But they're not together.

Jack: They're not together as if you could in theory project a temple onto the layout. But the concept of a projector should only make sense if you have electricity and if you already know that you can turn that electricity into projected light. So like way further than we are now in technology.

Cristina: Are you sure? It looks like they just. It just looks like they just started building it and then like it doesn't look like anything really. It doesn't look like a complete.

Jack: No, no. The layouts that they have. So there, there's some blueprints where scientists and archaeologists, a bunch of people together, sort of crafted what this would look like all put together. And it looks like it's a complete structure. There was. There's some sort of temple that's built downward, but in an open area. Like they cut out a hole or some s*** in the ground into the ground. And the temple is also not complete, or it is complete, but it looks incomplete.

Cristina: Like that place.

Jack: No, not necessarily. It's in a area where there weren't any houses or anything. And they were thinking this was the house originally, but then they really looked at it and they called it the First Temple because there didn't seem to be any way to like live in this structure. Just like the walls were carved in a certain way and it was downward and you walk into like this worshipping area, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it had a very similar structure to what's going on here, except this was built outside, not downward, but just upward in structure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it just brings up the question of, are the concepts that are taking place here the same between whatever the f*** the first temple was and Pama Punku? Because they have a very similar sort of aesthetic going.

Cristina: Were they in different parts of the world too? Like a lot of these things?

Jack: I have no idea. I just know the argument there was that they had this sort of similar structure. Difference is that one was completed, minus the like fact that it didn't have a ceiling or any protection from elements. While this place, very similar in structure, is missing the walls, is missing the ceiling, some of it has corroded away as well. Like there are parts that were there that with time worn off, but there are parts that were never there.

Cristina: It just looks like blocks to me. It just looks like it's a Lego toy or something. Like they could just move it around and make different places, like how big to move around.

Jack: And it was. It's buried into the ground. Yeah, yeah, it's very weird. This is a unique. So the idea here is, okay, so these complicated structures, we have them, they're this proof that weird things were made and we don't have the understanding of the purpose of these things. They just kind of exist. And the question is, then did we. Did we do and we have the intellect to do that and.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are. Are those people the same people as we are? If they were real? Right.

Cristina: Okay, so where.

Jack: They're like Mayans left over the equal us, or are we like, not related?

Cristina: Like, okay, so like the humans, they're humans, but they're not us, they're other humans.

Jack: I don't know, I'm not entirely sure. Like, okay, so we got Neanderthal, and Neanderthal turns into humans or whatever. Okay, right, so were the Mayans Neanderthal? Did they come from the same thing? Did we go somewhere else and just evolve slower and the Mayans just evolved quicker and got the f*** off and we're over here still primitive? Yes, that's another way that could have played out.

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: And if we stick to the idea that we're the only people that came from, like the. Humanity is the only source of life, Earth, then any phenomenon we experience came from here one way or another.

Cristina: I mean, maybe there's more than one human. Is that what we're talking about?

Jack: I guess the argument would be that there are different groups of humans if even if we all came from the same ancestor, when we spread out and settled wherever the f*** we settled, and then civilizations came to happen like Egypt or the Mayans or whatever. F*** all these different groups of people, they. We evolved at so drastic, such drastically different paces that some just had a lot of intellectual movement forward. The leaders were very open minded and promoting of advancements and things. And science happened quicker than we even have record of now.

Cristina: So long from what we have now.

Jack: Yes, so long ago that now any of the crap left is ancient garbage to us and we just don't understand it. But they weren't aliens. They were just humans. They were ancient humans, advanced civilizations. They weren't like Atlantis, Fish people? No, just humans. Yes, just humans. But we all came from the same place.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then we spread out till there was enough tribes kind of wandering here and wandering there. Tribes are conflicting. There's too f****** many people. Tribes are Conflicting break off into pieces. Well, we think leadership should be like this. We go over here and. Well, we think leadership should be like that. We'll go over there.

Cristina: So it's not possible that we just murdered all these people.

Jack: Why would we have the capacity to. How would we murder somebody so much more technologically advanced? If we went with our guns right now to one of these untouched Brazilian tribes, how easy would it be for us to just extinct them? Effortless. A gun. One gun. One person with one gun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whole f****** civilization.

Cristina: I don't know what kind of weapons they had. These people?

Jack: These. No, we're assuming these people are advanced technologically. They definitely have ways of defending themselves from invaders. That's how they got so far.

Cristina: Mmm. Maybe. I guess.

Jack: Otherwise, any stride they made, they'd immediately become a target for anybody who wants that that couldn't figure it out themselves.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're not all, like, missing. They don't all have the same story. Like, the Mayans or something, Right?

Jack: Well.

Cristina: Or do they?

Jack: No, no, they don't necessarily all have. Like, the Mayans are a particularly weird case where just people f****** vanished.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's a weird one. Like, they're particularly odd. My argument would be that as we built things and people came to power, we would kick people out of areas, or particularly intelligence subgroups that led certain movements would then move out of their own region to go somewhere else outside of the reign of some kind of tyrannical moron.

Cristina: So they did have to, huh? What's the difference? They were probably murdered by.

Jack: I don't think they were murdered.

Cristina: I don't know why. Murdered is the solution of where they were.

Jack: Yes. In order for us to continue to advance and get to the points that we made structures that we don't even understand. They could not be dead no matter what. Death could not have been the solution.

Cristina: But they had to abandon everything they had and not take any of that with them. Like, the knowledge that they had.

Jack: Why would they abandon the knowledge?

Cristina: Like, where did it go?

Jack: Not anywhere we're looking.

Cristina: So you think it's out there somewhere?

Jack: Yeah. If we were to suddenly die and disappear, would the knowledge disappear with. Like, we'd take it with us. Even if we left every single book we have, if we left with all the people, the knowledge is within the people. We still have it. Like, we don't need the books. The people who know the things are still there. So, like, leaving all these things behind doesn't mean anything. On the flip side, we do still have proof of all these Things when we look at like the hieroglyphs showing us planes. And this shouldn't actually. Okay. Weird that we had these predictions ahead of time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like particularly complicated. You showed some before. Like f****** helicopters and hieroglyphs and spaceships and modern day planes.

Cristina: Those are ghost ships.

Jack: It's really weird. It could totally be ghost ships. But then there are so many complicated things. Like hieroglyphs of electrical components.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Current day electrical components.

Cristina: How can you tell?

Jack: Because they are identical to current day electrical components everywhere from like magnets use to induction coils. Copper wiring.

Cristina: They look the same. But they're not used the same way. Are they?

Jack: They would work exactly the same way. Especially in the fashion that these hieroglyphs depict. They are identical to how we would use them. Side by side with the image of these same things. We would perfectly be able to use that technology. Like if we had what they had in hieroglyphs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We could just plug it into one of our systems. Take a little adapting. But the system would function with the thing. Like it's not like they also had the exact same port.

Cristina: That'd be crazy. What if they. Those are computers? The. The pyramids are computers or something.

Jack: It's. Look. It's totally possible there was something like that. I never considered that. Because our first computers were ginormous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They were building sized. And that's like us with electricity everywhere all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To still not have figured it out. So it's totally possible that these. Because we know the pyramids were rigged with electrical components. For what purpose? We don't know.

Cristina: For lighting maybe. That kind of makes sense.

Jack: That could totally make sense. Could have been for lighting. But I guess then not for computers if that's the case.

Cristina: But it'd be way cooler if it's for computers.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know why you defeat your own argument.

Cristina: No. I'm just saying that that's maybe a little more realistic. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. It would. It makes sense if it was for a computer. Because of the size of a pyramid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But then we're arguing that in seeing this we're looking at an iceberg scenario.

Jack: Where we're seeing only the top half of something. Because where is it plugged into? It has to be underground. Right. So if that's just a part of the computer. How big is where the computer is connected to it must be ginormous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There must be the possibility that there's an entire underground civilization just to operate this computer.

Cristina: So it might Be like what we thought about the mines, that they might be plugged in under the pyramids.

Jack: Totally. Could be. What did we establish whether or not the Mayans had electrical components?

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: We know the Egyptians did.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, man. You don't know though.

Jack: I don't know. But we know they were ridiculously advanced. That's why they're probably plugged in down there. But then the question here becomes, are all ancient advanced civilizations plugging in? Is that the logical conclusion? Because look, this is what we got to think about. We had recently a conversation, I think it was, when we were talking about the comparison of AI to human capacity. Right. Is it. It's. It's impractical to travel the universe as a human meat bag.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The necessities are ridiculous. It's impossible. And you need generational ships because the s***** lifespan of a human. It makes more sense to be a robot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or to simulate the universe and travel it that way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That then makes way more sense than being a f****** meatbag. Yes. And time works differently at those scopes too. You could blink across infinitely large distances.

Cristina: And you think that's what they're doing.

Jack: It would make more sense to do that than explore the universe. And you could divide into two groups of people in this underground civilization, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are the people who are plugged in, already exploring, maybe in these explorations, coming across interesting technological advancements that they could then bring out of the system that they're making them in. And then the people who don't connect who are outside consistently making more strides away from the reign of whoever is a leader on top, doing dumb s*** regularly and causing wars and bullshit. Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that then underground, safe from stupidity and just science underground, you have, between these two groups of people making giant strides technologically, the capacity to maybe move your mind either into some robotic, like body thing or augment throughout that entire process gradually. Since you already have people connected, you could continue to work on their body, little by little, turning it more and more and more mechanical, until you find the last component after their whole body's there and you put their mind into that little last piece, and then over time, you made them fully mechanical. And then those people could be the ones who leave the planet.

Cristina: For real?

Jack: For real. To then explore the reality that is.

Cristina: And you think every human just ends up there because what if we're going there? What if that's happening right now?

Jack: I think we'll eventually come to the conclusion that we cannot explore the universe realistically and that It's a waste of time and energy to try to colonize everything. And my theory is that maybe we figured this out before did the whole space exploration thing. That's why we find weird things on the moon. That's why we find weird things on Mars. But we were on Mars when it was green. And maybe what we're doing to Earth we did to Mars. And now it's crazy dry.

Jack: The way.

Cristina: So we ruined Mars and then we came here and then we ruined Earth. Oh no, well no, no, okay.

Jack: No, we did not come from Mars. We went to Mars.

Cristina: We just went to Mars.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On the flip side, how interesting that you would say that because I didn't think about that at all. I just figured we went to Mars and did the same thing that we did here because Mars was. But I guess it would make sense that Earth wasn't in habitable inhabitable while Mars was. So we were originally living on Mars and this is the second planet.

Cristina: Yeah, why not?

Jack: And now we're doing the same s***.

Cristina: Because isn't that how they think Earth and the moon were involved with Mars? Was it Mars?

Jack: No, it was just Earth and the moon.

Cristina: Oh, it was two different planets.

Jack: Crash and created.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Oh, okay, okay, that's tricking. So okay, well yeah. What if we were in Mars first? Who knows?

Jack: Yeah. We could have dried that planet out, then come to Earth. And in being on Earth, slowly over the millennia centuries turned into the shithole that it is now.

Cristina: That it'll eventually become Mars again.

Jack: That it will eventually become another Mars. And we're just kind of, I guess we're moving closer to the sun, but we can't move any closer. So I guess the next one would be Europa where we do the whole f****** leap again. We're already looking in that direction.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So what, what's the stretch to say we go over there now the question is. Right, right, right. So we have this whole scenario.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have advanced civilizations forming in pockets all over the world. It seems that the consistency as they go underground, they start making advanced technologies. Well they first make civilization. Civilizations need leaders. You take the brainiest people, they go into hiding as they sort of run the world from secrecy. We have a lot of that going on right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All we know we already have crazy advance. We think there's hidden technologies and everything. Maybe we do have those scenarios already.

Cristina: Ex.

Jack: What if we do and they're underground doing the things they have to do, slowly converting people so that we can then truly explore.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we got Examples of that on Earth. We could have come from a different planet as well. Panspermia is one of the main things we believe is the reason that there is life here at all. And Mars was once an Earth like place. We come to Earth, we're slowly drying it out. Now we're looking at Europa in our lifetimes, in our, you know, giant gap of whatever the f*** time that there is. We're looking at the next place that we're going to go. We have technologies being formed. Everything is happening as would make sense in the scenario that we're discussing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So then this is played out multiple times.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're living a cycle, even if at a grander scale.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah.

Jack: And we keep bouncing around the same system. Maybe Mars wasn't the first one.

Cristina: What if.

Jack: Yeah, it could just been one of the many. We don't know where it began, but it doesn't have to have been Mars. It's just the easiest one to trace because of the giant time span between two points.

Cristina: Yeah. Wonder if it's possible.

Jack: I get like, we barely have ability to tell the things that are on Earth from how old Earth is and how long ago those civilizations were.

Cristina: Yes. But do you think we'll ever have the technology to explore those things that we can't explore now?

Jack: Like what?

Cristina: Like what's under the Earth or whatever. All of it, all the mysteries we have. Do you think we'll ever figure it out? Do you think we'll ever figure out the. The pyramids and whatever?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: That's lost.

Jack: Like, I don't think it's lost. I think somebody has it. I don't think we do.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think we are continuously leaving the planet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Small groups figure it out and they take off.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A great example is the space race or our current moment where every country's trying to get to space or whatever. I think sometimes civilizations just figure it out and they just take off.

Cristina: They just abandon everyone else.

Jack: Yes. Assuming that there is only one instance of life, it is the same group of life that's doing everything. The question is, how far back in time are we talking? If Earth wasn't the first, although humans were always the first, then the humans that happened on Earth are just the ancestors or are just sort of the next stage of whatever came. The ancestors that arrived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That could have come from Mars. And if Mars isn't the first, what planet did they come from? Assuming they were on some planet. It was like Mercury or some s***. I don't f****** know. Some other Planet in our system that was, for whatever reason, inhabitable at that point. If we keep rewinding, how far back.

Cristina: Does it go from? Yeah.

Jack: Not just how. Like how long. If we keep going back, who cares what planet? We won't be able to pin it down. There's too much crap on this. In the solar system, how far back would we go? And if at all times, every couple million years, somebody jumps out to explore because they made it. They got. They beat all the hurdles to become technologically prepared to truly explore. They're like robots. They're the Borg now. They could survive any scenario. They just keep flying off and this happens over and over and over and over. So then how far back in time?

Cristina: Huh? We could have been doing this forever.

Jack: We could have been doing this forever.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Which then tells us that there's two different versions of things happening. One is where everybody plugs in trying to get there. The other one is where they've made it and they do actually go. Usually those have to be the same civilizations because it doesn't seem efficient to just keep going out, losing people and technology, trying to figure out how to go outward. We know balance needs to be established in nature. You need to know one to know the other. But us at this moment are just trying to go out, not figuring that part out. I think the only time we're really gonna figure out leaving this planet truly is when we figure out simulating the universe virtually.

Cristina: And we are working on that, too.

Jack: We got a million things like that. That's what the space engine is. We have accurate depictions of s***. Like there are things out there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we don't have the ability to plug in as if it's the universe and explore accurately.

Cristina: Huh? What if we had VR goggles into that?

Jack: Not really. It's not real enough. We gotta be able to, like, plug in Matrix style.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that it's a universe. And in that universe, we then discover the technologies at a faster pace, bring them out of the program, and apply them in our actual base reality to then use that to navigate the stars.

Cristina: I feel like we probably have that. That seems like that place that everyone talks about aliens, but what if it's not aliens? What if it's us?

Jack: Area 51.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Holy s***. I didn't think about that. Holy s***. You think Area 51 is just people plugged in, exploring the universe? Yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: That's where all this strange technology that is supposedly alien like. But what if it's not?

Jack: What if it's not? What if there are no f****** aliens. What if it's just us really doing crazy s*** and bring like, we need these people to not go anywhere and they need to have volunteered for it. So they're just dedicating their lives to science. They connect into this matrix, discover things in a fictional world that is identical to our real world, bring it out, apply it, and then we use it to advance our technologies rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah, I feel like whoever's in that machine might go crazy. Like that guy that thinks that there was aliens and he was hanging out, maybe his brain got a little messed up by using that machine too long.

Jack: Could totally be.

Cristina: Because I feel like that's way too much information though, for a human brain. Our brains are limited.

Jack: I don't think it's too much information for the brain. I think it's the exact same amount of information you'd normally get. You're just getting it in a simulated fashion.

Cristina: In a simulated fashion. That is so crazy. That's cool.

Jack: But then we can go out now. That makes it possible. We go in to go out. And if Area 51 just has a bunch of people plugged in exploring things, mm, well, f***, that's cool. Because at some point that technology is going to help us really get the h*** out of here. We have the Elon Musk's thinking they're going to do it. NASA over here thinking they're going to do it. None of that s*** makes sense. Area 51 though, always crazy. Advanced technology.

Cristina: Yes. What about those alien spaceships though that we are seeing? I guess UFOs. It's not aliens.

Jack: UFOs figuring out how to move faster. Yeah, that's all it really is. But then the question still stands. How far back do we go?

Cristina: How far back?

Jack: Yes. Because if at all points on every planet that we're on, little patches of people, after they complete the merger to mechanical and robotic AI type of human, they can travel space and use solar energy to stay alive and just explore, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Can we go far back enough to say that we have examples in space of humans that made it really, really, really far?

Cristina: Do we have examples?

Jack: Yes. Particularly if we look far back enough into space. We see a star that blinks consistently. And people have said the possibility that it's a Dyson sphere is pretty high. We can't say for sure because we have no proof of anything and we'd never be able to prove that.

Cristina: But if we were able to prove.

Jack: It, would that be a Dyson sphere.

Cristina: And would that be humans in it?

Jack: A Dyson sphere doesn't have humans in it? Not humans, but no, it doesn't have anything in it.

Cristina: On it.

Jack: It has a star inside a Dyson sphere to trap energy.

Cristina: Well, don't people live on it or something? No.

Jack: You want to get scorched like that?

Cristina: No. Okay. I thought that's what that was. I don't know.

Jack: No. Dyson spheres to harness the power of the sun.

Cristina: And they live somewhere else.

Jack: You trap the star in a bubble.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then gather all the energy and you use that energy for other stuff. You. Yeah. You teleport that energy wherever you need it. You move it.

Cristina: Teleport it. Okay.

Jack: I mean, not teleport literally, but you, like, take batteries and charge them and go.

Cristina: Okay, so the space station.

Jack: Don't even need space stations. You could just have a planet nearby.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you have infinite energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Simple.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's way easier than you're trying to make it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Super simple, but okay. That's far back enough. How long has that been there? How long would it take to make a Dyson sphere? That gives us a good estimate of how long we've been around.

Jack: If that's humans, like, we're assuming we started on the star. But if we go far back enough. Are humans predating the sun?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: If we are, because we're right now just thinking planet to planet. Okay. If we rewind far back enough, how far back do we go before it doesn't make sense to even talk about the sun.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So we have to be somewhere else.

Cristina: What proof is there?

Jack: There is no proof. But again, if we assume.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The same set of rules apply. We can rewind this far back. We just have to prove whatever we're looking at as human to say that. There's no f****** way we started on the star. If Dyson sphere. Human, then no way. The sun is where we began. That's too far back. They needed time. The distance alone would be impossible for us. Impossible for something millions of years ahead of us.

Cristina: Man, that could be us. I don't know. That's crazy.

Jack: But then there's a crazier example.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is the great void.

Cristina: That. Oh, yes. What would that be?

Jack: It's many, many, many, many, many Dyson spheres.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Surrounding many stars. And I believe it's actually so ridiculous. There might be galaxies in there, but that.

Cristina: We can't see any of that.

Jack: We can't see anything in that direction.

Cristina: But it could be just Dyson feet.

Jack: Just Dyson spheres blocking out all the light coming from that direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's definitely something. If it's not human, then there's f****** aliens out there just colonizing that whole f****** patch of space.

Cristina: If it's just us colonizing it, it.

Jack: Could just be us colonizing it. Maybe we are the only instance of life. Maybe there's one origin point and it works like this. We began somewhere. I don't know where humans began somewhere or life began in one place. Life, Life began in one place and only one place. And those people went somewhere and they kept repeatedly, anytime they would reach a peak, leave, and then anybody left has to restart and try to build their way out again.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then they go and then smart people left. Okay, we gotta start over.

Cristina: Didn't Star Trek talk about sort of kind of hinted to this in one of their episodes?

Jack: I think, I think so. Did Alien.

Cristina: An alien? Yeah. Tried. I'm not sure if any of them.

Jack: Did a great job. I don't think it's intentional.

Cristina: No.

Jack: In any manner, shape or form. While in both Star Trek and Alien it was.

Cristina: Yeah. It's just, it's somehow in our nature to want to do this over and over again. It has nothing to do with it like programmed into us.

Jack: No, no, no. What I mean is that in Star Trek and Alien they chose planets and they went and dropped the seeds in water.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: They chose oceans. And they're like, humans will happen. Yes, we're not humans, but you know, intelligent life will come from those. In the scenario I'm talking about that was never the f****** planet. It's just the byproduct of the behavior. We go somewhere, abandon those who aren't good enough. They, without the hyper intelligent ones that left, have only these relics to deal with. They gotta figure it out themselves. They don't figure it out. They start over going a new direction. These people then land as far as they can possibly get and try to figure out again a new process. So this, we spread out a little, everybody's forced to restart. Then from that they spread out a little again, everybody's forced to reset. That keeps repeating, repeating, repeating, repeating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that something that looks nothing like us a billion trillion miles away is.

Cristina: Us somehow related to us.

Jack: We're somehow related.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're coming from the same places.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just don't know where that point of origin is. Especially because we're probably consistently forgetting.

Cristina: Mm. But isn't it interesting if we did all have the same goal to go.

Jack: Out, that would be the most fascinating part. Why do we keep repeating the same behavior without some sort of Rules that.

Cristina: Left behind put that in us. Or is that just nature?

Jack: I doubt they programmed anything into anybody. I think it's just for whatever reason. Driven.

Cristina: Yeah, driven. Have the same driving force.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Some instinctual thing that. And the craziest part is it would just get reinforced.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because those who left survived.

Cristina: Yes. They'll do the same thing over there.

Jack: You can do the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we have to be the ancestors of some travelers, which means moving is the reason they stayed alive. And we could be a multi planetary, maybe even multi star system, multi galactic civilization. We don't know. But we have the drive to keep going and to move forward and to go to the next place. Why?

Cristina: That's all. It's strange because it's not just us. It's anything anywhere else that they accidentally left something like us there. They'd also want to go to space and.

Jack: Yeah. It would be like if all the smartest people in the world became robotic, left Earth, and then the rest of us are left behind. I couldn't tell you how to build a computer.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Not off the top of my head. I can't tell you how to build a power plant. I can't. No. We're gonna take the parts of what we have. We're gonna ignore anything we cannot comprehend, and we're gonna use the parts we can figure out. We're gonna take the parts we can understand. We're gonna grab all the people who can understand them as much as we can, and anything that doesn't work will just get lost. Anything we can't figure out without the.

Cristina: Smartest people in the world have something.

Jack: New or have something new.

Cristina: It'll be similar but different.

Jack: Yes. We're gonna have a very. This is going to be missing the parts we couldn't figure out.

Cristina: Yes. That could be the pyramids too, because they're all similar but different.

Jack: Like, we can tell you how a lot of it was made, what requirements are, and not explain how they did it, how they did the thing we think would be required to do that. We could build those easily right now. We don't know how they build those. We just know that they're built and we know how to build it now. And we know back then they couldn't have done it based on what we understand of them. Yes, but we just simply don't understand. That's all that there is.

Cristina: We just not understanding because they're smartest people went away.

Jack: Because the smartest people went away, that information got lost.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They took it with them. But we don't have access to it. And the little people there don't know how the f***.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, it's possible that they went away, but they left it for those people. But they didn't understand. Yeah, like, if scientists went away, they wouldn't take all their info with them. They.

Jack: No, I also don't believe they'd be like, it's for you.

Cristina: Like, even if they did, though, we wouldn't understand it.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. But I doubt they're just like. I'm sure they're leaving in secrecy half the time.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess it would be more secret, like. Yeah.

Jack: We're gonna send these people out. They're gonna go explore. Like, how many times right now in our own lifetime have we probably sent people out if what we're seeing from Area 51 and these UFO are just really things to explore space. And this Bob Lazar guy really saw things that he thought were aliens. Maybe those are just modified humans. What if those are modified humans who can last in space, vast distances, vehicles that could move crazy distances in short amounts of time. How many people have we sent? All in secrecy because we're not ready for it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And then eventually we shut down programs. We already got enough people out there. They're gonna report back whenever they do. And then eventually we lose communication because it went too far, and they go somewhere else and they begin all over.

Cristina: Yes, that's. That's definitely how it is.

Jack: And then we sort of keep spreading and keep multiplying and lose awareness of who and what and where.

Cristina: You wouldn't even notice that they're gone.

Jack: No.

Cristina: We would never know something's wrong.

Jack: We wouldn't. We wouldn't even know people left.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have no idea this is even happening.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Meanwhile, they're out there colonizing planets, starting small civilizations. A small ship with 30 people went somewhere, and now they start this new thing, and that's gonna turn into the next big thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And this happens over and over. Once they start, they bail. They're like, okay, maybe there isn't. Maybe there is intentional as well. It's combination. It's like, okay, we are the troop who are gonna go. We're gonna create life. We're gonna have babies here.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We've a bunch of babies, and then we're gonna bail and keep going. We're not gonna let them know that we have the technology to leave. We're just gonna have a bunch of babies, move somewhere else on the planet where our technology doesn't get the F*** off the planet. And they're gonna keep having babies and they're gonna populate a planet and.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know, that's. I guess that's a possibility too.

Jack: And then that happens over and over and over, over and over and over and over. And different starting points, different technological starting.

Cristina: Points because they gotta leave something behind to keep those people alive. Yeah.

Jack: They're not just abandoning. They had to be there long enough to have shelter to start families for them to get old enough to survive. Like they're gonna be there a while.

Cristina: Because they're, they're pro. The person that's there, though, is probably not the person that's gonna leave anyway.

Jack: Assuming they've already developed the technology to travel crazy large distances. They're not necessarily alive. Fully human. Yeah.

Cristina: They're not humans. Yes. Okay.

Jack: They're just creating humans who then, to survive, because it's instinct, are going to get to that same point where they're going to try to get out.

Cristina: Yes. These people are kind of like they're the aliens. But that's us.

Jack: That's us. It's just they're so different. And so the argument would be if we saw anyone anywhere in space, it's us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In one manner, shape or form, it's us.

Cristina: Why not? I think so. It's. We'd have to take a DNA test.

Jack: Yeah. And it goes back to the idea that we do have the possibility that there were really absurdly advanced civilizations here. From giant, giant leaps back in time. Huge, huge jumps. Different periods of time unrelated to one another. Whole advanced civilizations, giant things. Mayans, Egyptians, the Roman Empire, the Aztecs. Just a whole bunch of different crazy advanced, mega large civilizations.

Cristina: The Aztecs, Is that near the Mayans? Are those two different things?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: I don't know. There are a lot.

Jack: There are a lot of instances of crazy.

Cristina: Like that giant square thing that you just showed me. Puma Punka. That's a place. That's an interesting looking place.

Jack: Yeah, it's an interesting look. But all these places are really weird. Like all these interesting structures that we have no recollection of what or why or how. We just know that.

Cristina: What's proof of giants? What if they're just giants who are making dollhouses? Those are children's toys to them.

Jack: You know how big? It's impossible. No, we can prove that wrong. There would be nothing that could sustain itself being the size necessary because of our atmosphere, the size of our planet, our gravitational pull, our bodies are optimal for where we live.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All Those things have to be considered.

Cristina: Giants couldn't survive.

Jack: It could not exist. They would never evolve.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The biggest of things that were here are believe insects long ago. And they were maybe the size of like giraffes.

Cristina: Okay, then why does everyone have a story about giants? Where does that come from?

Jack: F****** idiots. I don't know.

Cristina: Religion, I get. Yes, religions have that. But a lot of folklore.

Jack: Folklore is usually based on religion. In fact, religions are composed of folklore.

Cristina: Yes, it works both ways, I guess. But. Okay. And those giant drawings? Giants drew those drawings with a stick.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What place is. What place is that one?

Jack: The Smachu Picchu.

Cristina: Is it like a maze? Is that buildings?

Jack: Yeah, there's tiny little structures. It's kind of like a maze. It's so odd place. We don't. Another place that we don't know what the f*** or why or why.

Cristina: It's built in a very nice looking location.

Jack: Yep. The weirdest thing about this place is how the f*** did it get up there? Oh, it's the tip. Tip of a f****** mountain. The stone that's up there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not easy.

Cristina: Not easy. Not easy.

Jack: Not easy. That took the craziest amount of slave work or something. Up a mountain. You're in the desert. You're in the desert. Flat. You're in a f****** desert. Machu Picchu. Up the side of a g****** mountain.

Cristina: What. What do they. What do they need to make these stones though? Do they need water? Is there water underneath the mountain or something? Or near the mountain?

Jack: What do you mean? To pull giant slabs of stones up a mountain?

Cristina: Yes. No, to make them. To make the stone. Like they at least made it near the area.

Jack: No, I don't think the stones were made in the area. I think they were moved there similar to Stonehenge. Like those rocks are not from there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Like travel quite the distance again. We can make every single stone in Stonehenge.

Cristina: But how did they get there?

Jack: We could shape them the same way we could. But we have. We. That rock doesn't exist there. We have to go far, make the f****** rock out of the right material. Then get it there from quite the distance right now would take days with cars. And we have wheels to put it on top of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And engines that will speed the process up. And it would take us f****** days.

Jack: Without wheels and going 60 miles per hour on highways. How the f***.

Cristina: I don't know. Especially I don't know what's happening there. I don't know.

Jack: It's crazy.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: But we've lost all this Information.

Cristina: But what is underground? People check underground. Right? Like under the pyramid. What if there's.

Jack: Here's the problem. You're not allowed to. Because there's. There are these types of very important structures. You're not allowed to destroy these amazing structures.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, I see.

Jack: So there's only so much you can do.

Cristina: Yeah. You don't wanna.

Jack: You could explore openings.

Cristina: Yeah. But making a new opening problematic. Okay.

Jack: You don't want to just be the a****** who dug a hole and broke something.

Cristina: Yeah. Like something accidentally just makes the whole pyramid.

Jack: But that's the weirdest part because that's a rule that's f****** us up. Maybe there is something to understand. But we have this thing about preserving history more than we have a need to investigate it.

Cristina: That does suck, man. But I don't want them to destroy. I don't know what's more interesting. To see if there is something underneath or to keep what's there.

Jack: So we keep the structure and then we never discover the technology that's underneath it. Or we discover there was never any technology underneath it.

Cristina: That's what I was gonna say. Like what if you destroy it and then there's nothing to find?

Jack: There's nothing.

Cristina: Then is it worth it? I don't know. We'll have robots to do that for us to be able to go and not break anything.

Jack: How would a robot know?

Cristina: How would a robot know? I don't know.

Jack: It's guesswork. It's guesswork. There's nothing. There's no right or wrong here.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm.

Jack: I do believe it's possible we did came. Come from another planet though. Again, we're driven. We're driven. We have the drive to get the f*** off of Earth.

Cristina: So maybe we've done it.

Jack: Maybe we've done it multiple times. And again there. There's quite a couple of origin stories for Earth. Did we come from South America? Did we come from China? Did we come from Australia? Did we come from Mars? Mars? Did we come from. Well, I'm not actually even talking about a different planet at the moment. I'm saying just on Earth. We have a bunch of different locations.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How the f*** did that happen? Unless arrival from outside of Earth happened and they settled in different locations.

Cristina: Oh, I didn't even think of that. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah. There were just different groups arriving. Some landed in China. Some landed in Africa and Egypt.

Cristina: South America.

Jack: South America just landing on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Civilizations starting from those people in different parts. They bail after there's enough people to continue these civilizations Moving forward.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we get where we are today, where we don't even know the origin. We're like, no, we started the Earth. No, we started the Earth. And it's like, no, everybody did because they were different people at different times.

Cristina: What if. Whoa, man. And eventually we'll do that.

Jack: And eventually we'll do that. And maybe we send a ship with 30 people out and as we're traveling, because now we have the capacity. We're not gonna die. Or at least we're gonna live way longer.

Cristina: We're gonna have robot bodies, and we could.

Jack: Two of us are gonna land on this planet with all the technology, and then the ship is gonna keep going.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two, you're gonna land over there. Ship is gonna keep going. Maybe it was Mars and Earth, but.

Cristina: Mars dried up because they found.

Jack: So they bailed on Mars and came to Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And thus many different timelines of beginning.

Cristina: Because not everyone could do this anyway. I'm guessing, like, there's a lot of us out there, and some of us had to have died by now.

Jack: Yep. So, yeah, you land, you get as far as you can. Then things go wrong.

Cristina: Yes. We're just lucky to be where.

Jack: No, the planet's drying up too. But we're also trying to get off of it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. We're not really succeeding, but we don't know. And when someone has succeeded, if they did leave. So, yeah, there's probably a few succeed.

Jack: Like maybe just getting off equals succeeding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We're not. And not all of us are gonna make it. But that any failure happened.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You just need to keep moving and keep making more. Maybe we are the sacrifice for the advancement of the collective.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it did happen before, if it did happen, then we've already escaped a single star blowing up, killing us.

Cristina: Mm. And it probably happened more than once here on this planet.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It might have happened.

Jack: It might have happened in Egypt. It might have happened in with the Mayans. It might have happened with the Aztecs. It could have happened several times over different civilizations that had technologies we don't comprehend and did things that we think we could figure out or can't figure, that we know all the parts except one thing, and we lost that knowledge somehow.

Cristina: Yeah. If we are doing it now, we would have no idea.

Jack: And we have no idea because they're not telling us. Because it would be problematic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And in those situations, I think would be the same case. It would be problematic to tell everybody that some people are gonna leave. Oh. And Earth is gonna die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe they thought the same thing. But it's like, we don't know when it's gonna die. Maybe right now we're like, oh, it's gonna happen now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the humans they left behind figured out how to solve the global warming problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then they forget. After millions of years of it not being a problem.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: And then it starts building up as a problem again.

Cristina: So we can solve that problem. But we probably also had people leave just in case.

Jack: Just in case we don't solve it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, and then that thing is always happening, and eventually it will collapse and eventually the planet will dry up and it will die. But enough of them left, and they took enough of what happened on this planet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, you know, we look back at the great void that could have been some of the earliest success stories.

Cristina: That's so cool. But when it comes to, say, they are connecting to something, the thing that they're connected to wouldn't be connected to anyone else. It's just their little bubble.

Jack: Yes. It would be that they invented something that they're connecting to, like a mainframe or computer or something. Like, if you don't connect your computer to the Internet, nothing's getting in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're connecting to that computer. So if they made their own computer and they all connected to that, they're perfectly fine. There's no outside influence. They're not getting to any outside.

Cristina: But if we figured out how that worked, like, if we really found out that it was a computer, would we be able to go into their computer?

Jack: If we found their computer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we understood how they did it.

Cristina: We still have to understand that. Yes. Yes. For sure. But it would be possible that maybe. I don't know. This is a crazy idea. If they have a computer. If it's a computer, that's crazy.

Jack: But it goes to answer the question of fermius paradox. Where are they?

Cristina: They're here.

Jack: Well, they're here. We are they.

Cristina: We are they. We are them.

Jack: We are they. Where are they? We are they.

Cristina: We are they. And we are everywhere.

Jack: Yep. And we're just the primitive ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they're not coming in our direction because they already passed this f****** spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's our job to get the h*** out of it.

Cristina: Well, not us specifically. We are the failures in the story.

Jack: Oh, why?

Cristina: Because we're not the scientists that are getting off.

Jack: Why does that make us the failures?

Cristina: Because we're just gonna be here. I mean, if that's succeeding, I guess. I don't know what?

Jack: I don't know. What's the, the obsession with the failure mentality? What is the failure here? Some people go and make other stuff and then some people save the planet.

Cristina: Well, if we don't get to that part, I guess would be a failure. If we don't save the planet.

Jack: No, because people still moved out to make sure that our branch of humanity remains.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: Where is the failure?

Jack: They're not winning. They're just doing something else.

Cristina: Yeah. It just feels like they're winning.

Jack: Why? Because space exploration.

Cristina: Yes. That's so cool.

Jack: What about the Matrix? It's better than space. Get further, faster, in less time, do more, I guess.

Cristina: Okay, they're winning. Okay, no one's winning.

Jack: No one's winning. It's just doing different things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some people are connected to a matrix coming up with technologies that they give to the people who are going to go out into space, colonize new planets and then us, ignorant of all the details, try to keep our.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. It's its own balance. Yeah. Going on.

Jack: It works. All the parts work. Everything has a purpose, everything has its place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it comes from the possibility that all these ancient civilizations were, in fact, not aliens, that none of this was built by aliens, but rather humans developing the technology to do it. And again, no. None of these civilizations landed here and built the thing. No, they landed here, became a civilization, the civilizations built the thing, then they leave. Information gets lost. We take what we can remember, move forward with it, knowledge disappears, and then we have a whole new thing. And this happens over and over and we recycle it over and over and over and over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And what we lose, we lose.

Cristina: What we lose, we lose. Yeah. Yes.

Jack: We're gonna land there again. Somehow, Egyptians and Mayans both did it. They were not related.

Cristina: Yeah. So we could do it.

Jack: Yeah, we're gonna get there again.

Cristina: It's hard to say if we are there.

Jack: It's hard. We could totally be there. Because there's no reason we should know.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So in the case, particularly of the Mayans, it is possible they connected. They did what they had to do. We know that their pyramids had weird trapdoors and s***. Not sure why our assumption was rocket ships because they were huge f****** holes and that they could take off now. Where the f*** are any of the mines? We know the Egyptians kept moving forward, that led to a bunch of people. Where the f*** did the Mayans go?

Cristina: They're asleep in their computer chamber.

Jack: Either that or they took off. Maybe both.

Cristina: Both.

Jack: And the Ones that were left, some kind of event happened that got rid of all of them.

Cristina: Yeah, probably. Like what happened in Plymouth, where it just a huge, unpredictable winter storm.

Jack: 100%.

Cristina: It could just happen. The weather.

Jack: Yeah. And those who prepared in other ways survived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Leave the planet or go underground and connect. If they were the ones who went underground in an event like that, they died too.

Cristina: If they didn't go underground.

Jack: If they did go underground, those people died.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But the ones that went out into space didn't have to deal with the planet's climate.

Cristina: Yeah. And the ones that were there just. Yeah, that could be it.

Jack: We know many civilizations could have accomplished these same things. And we see the technology in written in things of the past. Biblical texts say it. Hieroglyphs depict technologies that we don't f****** like. How the f*** did you guys know? Even if we don't go crazy, far back before we had things, we're talking about Leonardo da Vinci having incredibly detailed drawings of things that we figured out in our lifetime. And he had the blueprint for how these things would work. And they did now.

Cristina: Yes. So then is it just in our DNA then? If he could do it without the science of now, you could just write it all out. Like, where did that come from?

Jack: Smarts, piecing things together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Assuming if this and that. Anyways, we are definitely running out of time right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I do think that's a fascinating idea to play with. Possibility that humans came from elsewhere in a repetitive cycle of dropping people everywhere to kind of keep expanding the human race. With enough time, you know, it's gonna keep multiplying, keep multiplying, keep multiplying. You could do faster and faster and faster and faster. Every time you just drop a couple of people here, a couple of people there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Over years, come back a millennia later, boom. Planet filled with people.

Cristina: But would they come back, do you think?

Jack: They don't really come back. They're just flying through the area or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty cool. But do they? Like what? I don't know. It's just so many questions, but there's no way anyone could answer. So it doesn't matter.

Jack: We just know there are advanced civilizations. Whether they were too technologically advanced in the ways we can picture, probably not. We don't know. They have depictions of electrical components. They have things rigged with electrical devices. Like the pyramids.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So why, like, is that the case? We don't know.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But we know that it happened many times across the world at different times, with unrelated People who should not have been able to contact each other because they were too far apart too long ago. And if that's the case, then it's possible that they were different landings, which is possible. We came from different locations. Maybe some from Mars, maybe some landed on Earth, Maybe some people were elsewhere in the solar system and Earth was the only destination. Everything was drying up everywhere, freezing over, and it was like, earth is in the right spot. Let's go there.

Cristina: Earth is in the Goldilocks zone.

Jack: Goldilocks zone. So we get some people who came from Mars, some people from here, some people from over there, some people. And then different times they land on Earth and then they start. So we got different origin stories. Anyways, if you guys want to actually look at the episode of the. With the Mayans that we were just talking about, we've. We've dissected the Mayans in their weird technology. There is the Advanced civilization episode.

Cristina: Okay, yes.

Jack: That you guys can look at. Take a look at that stuff. We've also discussed technology many different times and space exploration. So, yeah, definitely look at that. See how aliens maybe detecting life, maybe that's an important way. Maybe we're on the right track by just looking for our kind of life, because that's the only kind of life that really exists. And then the rubric for whether something is alive or Galvan is useless as f***, because everything is alive. If that's the case, sure, whatever. Go look at those episodes. You can find all so many sciencey episodes on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcast.

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Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show and review it if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Tell everybody. Let them know that you know about a show that's gonna tell them about how we are aliens and that other kinds of aliens don't exist. And we proved that. We. We.

Cristina: So we're not aliens.

Jack: We're the aliens.

Cristina: Oh, we are the aliens. Yes, we are the aliens.

Jack: We are the aliens. We are not from Earth.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, we literally are from Earth, but we were just born on Earth versus the origin of humanity being Earth.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Saint Isidor. He was the saint of the Internet. Not officially, though. Officially, he's the saint of students. And then unofficially Internet computer users, computer technicians and programmers.

Jack: So we're just basically talking about a saint that does. The saint of the Internet.

Cristina: Yes, of the Internet. It became. It was students and I guess over time it somehow ended up Internet.

Jack: So their powers aren't centric for anything. They're not focused on anything.

Cristina: Not really. He was a bad student. He prayed and then he became a really good, really smart man.

Jack: Like, could he take your fear of breastfeeding away if you wanted to?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And thus he's just a saint. But like, he's known for school related things.

Cristina: So you pray him for school related things? Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: So thus he's a saint of. Yes, school related things.

Cristina: That's why St. Nick has a bunch of random crap. Good morning. Good morning, whoever. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 129: The Doomsday Clock

Doomsday Clock, Apocalypse, Rapture, Time Travel, Ending, Clock, Watch, Time

Has the apocalypse happened? Is there a way to predict when it will? The Doomsday Clock and a priests predictions of the Rapture are unpacked a day after the ending of the world on this episode of Just Conversation!

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  • Mayan and Christian Calendar
  • World War 3
  • The Fig Tree
  • The Apocalypse
  • Fat People
  • Biological Weapons
  • 2nd Amendment
  • The Road
  • Starvation

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with the listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss. So be sure to grab somebody that you love dearly by the shoulders, and you stare deep into their eyes, romanticizing them. Make sure they feel the love coming, radiating off of you. And you. You hold them by the shoulders, looking at their eyes, and you tell them, look, I really, really. I would love it if you listen to this podcast. Like, why? Why is this important to you? Why. Why did the moment get so tense?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you say, it's because it is a literal life and death situation. And she's gonna say, what? Or assuming it's a she. Well, in this scenario, it's a she because I'm the one talking. Okay, but let's assume whoever the listener who's trying to get somebody else to listen is, is talking to a she. So if you're female listening to this, you're lesbian for this moment. Or I guess it could just be your best friend. That just got real tense with. I guess whatever the case might be. You're talking to a female, and now you identify as a male, too.

Cristina: No matter what you.

Jack: No matter what you are, you currently identify as a male and you are talking to a female, regardless of whether that's what's happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, you tell them this, and they're like, what do you mean? And tell them the world is ending. If you don't listen to the podcast, it's like, how does that work? And it's like, I pressed a button.

Cristina: You pressed the button.

Jack: There was a red button.

Cristina: The list, the. Wait. The person that's saying this to them pressed the button.

Jack: Yes. We mailed them a button. We mailed our listeners a button. It's connected to a nuke. I don't know where the nuke is. It came out of the quantum computer.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: I just said, make something dangerous and it spit that out. And I sent it to all the listeners, and I'm like, somebody's gonna press it.

Cristina: Well, I have some news. I have to spoil your fun. That's a great idea. I wish they could have done that. If they Were listening now, but the world ended yesterday, I'm sorry to tell you.

Jack: So did that work?

Cristina: I don't know. Because they got it today. They're doing it today. Yeah, but if it ended, they can't do that.

Jack: So this is the post apocalypse?

Cristina: Yes. Well, it can be. There's two options, of course, depending on what happened yesterday. But we weren't there to see because I'm too scared. I'm afraid to find out that I've lost all my loved ones.

Jack: Why? F*** the loved ones.

Cristina: Well, anyway, yesterday, the world might have ended. There's this pastor. There's this. I guess. I don't know, this is just one of the many conspiracies online, I guess. I don't know if this is a bunch of people believe this or this is just one person's crazy writing, but this pastor explains on his website this whole detail of how and why it's ending yesterday. And I'm gonna try my best to explain to you why yesterday was the date.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: To start off, you know when the Mayans got the date of the apocalypse, it was supposed to be 2012.

Jack: Yeah. They got the numbers wrong instead of 2021, 2012.

Cristina: It wasn't just them. The person that gave them that information was Satan.

Jack: Of course it was.

Cristina: Yes. And he got the number wrong. I don't know. Like, I guess he was also trying to figure out when the apocalypse is so he could be ready and let his people know. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What his reasoning for trying to figure it out. Because I would assume he maybe would know already. I don't know. But I guess for Satan, it's gonna be a surprise as well as for us. So the devil was wrong. Of course.

Jack: See, that makes total sense to me that somebody would say that because that means they don't get how time is calculated. And like the Mayans, I don't believe their Calendar literally said 2012. I believe the way they were calculated. Because we count 2012 based on the Christian calendar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're just kind of putting together where their calculation would land. This is a person who made a prediction and had no idea that's what happened.

Cristina: Well, obviously the Mayans were tricked to follow a different. I don't know, they were taught to.

Jack: Follow a calendar that didn't exist yet.

Cristina: Yes, yes, exactly. So maybe, maybe they did have the Christian calendar as well and they just lost it.

Jack: And that's why we're like, later in the year 2000. Well, in the year one or zero.

Cristina: In the year zero. They figured it out. There was no year zero, though. There wasn't like, a day that was.

Jack: Well, now we start counting, people. Okay, everybody, now we're gonna agree to start count. No, what happened with time was that they chose. Somebody decided this is like, the starting point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they calculated everything backward and forward from that moment.

Cristina: Yeah. So, but when was that year? That was like, year 11,000 or something.

Jack: Yeah, it was just 18,000.

Cristina: They discovered, like, or whatever. Okay, that's interesting. But, yes, there was no year zero. That's an interesting year, though. If anything happened that time, did they just skip zero?

Jack: They just skipped zero zero.

Cristina: There was no zero. Oh, okay. There's just one and negative one.

Jack: We got to think of it like Koreans do. Like, year one is also year zero, but it's like, from day zero all the way to 365. That's year one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now think of centuries. You'll be in the year 2000, but be in the 21st century is because you're adding all the numbers from the beginning of the year 2000 to the beginning of the year 2000 and 2100, that's the 21st century. You're counting all the dates within that as part of the 21st century.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's what would happen with zero.

Jack: Yeah. Okay, so the first year is zero to 365. That is year one. So in any case, I guess Koreans are the ones who have it, Right.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: Holy s***. Who would have thought that?

Cristina: Then would the year of the end of the year be the right year?

Jack: No, that means the numbers are f***** up anyways. It would have been 2013.

Cristina: Oh, then does that mean if this calculation that he does is right, would it be 2022 instead of 21?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: He was wrong. No matter what the case might be.

Cristina: Okay, well, the way he figured out his math. Because there's math involved. Of course.

Jack: Of course.

Cristina: Like, super scientific here. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. One plus one.

Cristina: Yes, pretty much. Okay, so you remember the story of the fig tree, right?

Jack: Sure. The God angry at a fruitless tree.

Cristina: Yes. Jesus sees a tree, he's like, why don't you have figs when it's not fig season? How dare you? You're cursed. Now it dies.

Jack: Seems like something Jesus would do.

Cristina: Yes. And then he tells a story about a mountain, and then he explains, if you wish for any, if you pray to God, God is gonna make it happen.

Jack: So, okay, let's. Oh, my God. So Jesus, AKA God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Goes up to a tree, and he's like, tree you should have figs on you. You should have figs right now. And see, I'm God and I make whatever I want happen. You should have figs. So if I pray to God, who's me, then anything is possible. Thus you should have figs, but you don't have figs, which means me, who I prayed to, didn't do the thing I prayed to me to do. So I'm destroy you, fig tree. This is on you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The end of story.

Cristina: That is the story. That is. Yes. Or at least that's my understanding of the story.

Jack: Conclusion, if I pray to me and I don't do what I told me to do, blame whoever is closest.

Cristina: It's the fig's fault. The fig's fault because it didn't have his religion. Because somehow the story is a symbol, or the fig is a symbol of the nation and not being religious enough.

Jack: The fig didn't have enough faith.

Cristina: Yes, the fig didn't have enough faith. What that is what the true story. That's from an actual Bible. People who look into the story, they're like, yes, that's what this story means. But back to the pastor, though. He's saying that that's actually the start of the doomsday clock. There's a hidden message where the fig tree is Israel, which is what the people who interpret do think. The fig is fig is Israel, the fig tree is exile.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: That's why it was like they think it's at that present moment, it's dead, or it's. It's because they don't have faith in that time. But the priest today thinks it's because this is gonna happen now, that that's not back then that he's talking about. He's talking about what's happening right now somehow.

Jack: Right. Like that big tree. Okay, so how does the math come in that justifies this?

Cristina: Yes. Okay. He starts off with seasons. For some reason, he talks about winter and spring and summer and that Jesus said that Israel is going to come back to life somehow with seasons. I don't know the true math. Okay, look, it's a little crazy. Okay, I understand. But since Israel became a nation again, he sees that as spring, and that's the start of a whole season for the fig, which is Israel.

Jack: Okay. Why is it real, becoming a nation, the deciding point of a season?

Cristina: Because Jesus said so. He feels like this is what Jesus is talking about. He thinks Jesus is talking about what's happening to Israel right now.

Jack: Israel, boom, nation. Thus spring.

Cristina: Yes. And then summer. Well, first it was winter, actually. Israel wasn't a nation anymore. Then spring, it becomes a nation. Then summer is when things are going to get bad and the apocalypse happens then. That's what we're waiting for, for summer. And there's something about in which generation is this great big second coming and the end of the world stuff is going to happen. And he says, like, it's going to happen in two generations or something. In the Bible, a generation equals 40 years or 70 years or something. So in 1948, it became a nation again. And then 40 years from that is 1988. And then he adds 40 more years for some reason to make it 2087. And then he minus seven years to make it 2001.

Jack: He added 40 once and got to 2087 twice.

Cristina: He added it once to make 1988.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: And then again to make 2028.

Jack: Okay, that would make sense. 88 doesn't make sense. 2088, that number's inaccurate.

Cristina: Yes. And then he minus seven because there's going to be seven years of horrible stuff happening. So that's why he subtracted seven pieces. I don't know. Who says seven years? It's going to be seven horrible years. But he's saying biblical. Oh, okay.

Jack: Rapture.

Cristina: So when you -7 is 2021.

Jack: So there's three years of peace, four years of h***, or something like that.

Cristina: Okay, but so there's two things that could happen. Either yesterday, Israel was forced to bomb Iran to end their nuclear threat, triggering World War three and the crash of the world systems and start of the apocalypse. That all happened yesterday.

Jack: Sweet. I didn't notice. I must have been asleep or.

Cristina: This pastor wins the Bible lottery. The Bible code lottery. That's his words. The Bible code lottery. He figured it out and he starts this church. And this church does so well that God is like, all right, I'm a stop Iran's nuclear program with an earthquake, and then we get a few years of peace. The end.

Jack: No apocalypse. Everything just keeps going.

Cristina: Yeah. For a short time. I don't know when the next. Like God's.

Jack: Oh, he built in his re date.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: He built in the redate.

Cristina: Yeah. In case. So when his church does succeed, if it did succeed yesterday, then, well, the apocalypse is pushed back.

Jack: Fair. So his church, it all hangs on his church.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, sweet. That seems legit.

Cristina: I love it. It's amazing, right? Did you know that 22% of Americans believe that the world will end in their lifetime?

Jack: 22%. I mean, I guess we're all f****** stupid. That's. Of course we think that everybody's paranoid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like in mass. It's mass hysteria. That's paranoia. And then media convinces the dumbest of people that everything is at its most crucial. And then it takes even the dumbest of those people and divides them to opposite extremes to fight an imaginary war that is orchestrated by people who pretend to be on opposite sides wearing suits, but are obviously working together and made up the narratives that they got their people who are fighting the wars to follow. And then we're just talking one country at this point. Obviously, we're just talking the United States, but it's happening. If it's happening in the rest of the world. You zoom out and then you remember that there's a place called the United nations where the people who send the people to war shake hands and agree they're gonna send people to die versus each. You could just blow that guy's brains out in that room and your problem is solved. No, me and you, we're safe because we're part of the United Nations. The people from our countries, we can draft those m************ into war and they're all gonna die. All made up. Yeah, it just all got made up behind closed doors. And then dumb people fall for it. If you believe in democracy, in republics, if you're unrelated to democracy and republics, a democrat or a republican, a leftist, a rightist. Regardless of which country you come from, if you pick the side, you're a f****** idiot.

Cristina: Who. You're on the wrong side.

Jack: Yeah, you f******. You're an idiot because you believe there's a side. They made that up just for you to believe in it.

Cristina: Ooh. Yes.

Jack: They entirely designed it for dumbasses who would believe there's a side. And then they trick you into believing it's the end of the world. Consistently.

Cristina: Consistently. That's why so many people around the world truly believe that a religious figure is going to return to save the chosen few. Yes, that's everywhere. That's not just here, that's everywhere.

Jack: They have that belief all of time, though.

Cristina: So it's part of religion. Pretty much, yeah.

Jack: All religions have this form of thing that's going to come and save you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Even freaking. What the h*** is it called?

Cristina: The alien one, the alien religion.

Jack: Scientology. You can be saved by aliens from 3,000 years ago or miles away or some s*** like that.

Cristina: 3,000 years ago?

Jack: I don't f****** know. I just know. The point is, aliens are going to come and take us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, what the f***? Everybody has some salvation story.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. Well, all of this reminds me that fake news is such a problem and that fake news has even entered the real doomsday clock. We talked about the fake biblical doomsday clock that happened yesterday. I mean, maybe it's not fake. Who knows? I haven't checked outside yet. But there's a real, what I'll call the real one, which is the science made, I guess. Doomsday clock and fake news has entered into what they're worried about.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're gonna trigger retarded people to react in the dangerous situations. The insurrection was triggered because fake news.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The assault on Asian Americans is because fake news.

Cristina: Yes. So many things.

Jack: War is formulated because fake news propaganda Russian hacks into our systems and create fake narratives that then cause people to be paranoid anti vaxxers, freaking the leftists taking over the world. But then the right is, you know, being all rogue and it's like, doesn't matter where you come from, what side you stand on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You fell for the fake news.

Cristina: So many fake news.

Jack: Yeah. Both sides are susceptible, but it's targeted towards the dumb people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you believe any news outlet. You fell for it.

Cristina: Yes. So that's why they had to add that. And from learning about that, I found out that the doomsday clock has been around for 75 years, just waiting for us to get close to him for the actual doomsday, which would be us starting it as human beings.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Nothing else that's gonna happen. Like no meteor is gonna. We're gonna become innovative enough to solve that problem.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Instantaneous. What we can't solve is. Oh, that a****** has a button. Well, you know what I have?

Cristina: That's exactly how it's gonna end. I mean, we're already there. We're just waiting for who presses that button first.

Jack: We're waiting for mutually assured distraction.

Cristina: Yes. That's really what they're watching. That's all they're watching for.

Jack: Some douche is gonna press the button.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then some other a******'s gonna panic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then everybody's gonna start pressing their respective buttons and that's it.

Cristina: Hopefully we're in Mars by then.

Jack: That's.

Cristina: I guess that's the only thing. Like, we gotta get some people over there. So once this is gone, I think.

Jack: Elon Musk is to get us the f*** out of here. Because he's like, they're stupid, bro. They're really gonna just cause this. I just need to be off before that happens.

Cristina: Yeah. What it's problematic, but it's gonna happen. So on the Doomsday Clock, we're the closest to the end that we ever been.

Jack: It's always the case. I know. That is a fact about the Doomsday Clock.

Cristina: I've always been like that.

Jack: You were always the closest.

Cristina: Well, the closest.

Jack: Inching.

Cristina: Yeah, it's always inching. But it's always moves back and forth, though, as well.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, away from it. What is it?

Jack: But when it comes back in, it comes back in harder.

Cristina: It's way, way seconds away. Yeah.

Jack: If you were to think about it and think of a grandfather clock.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except rather than swinging really hard to both sides and then focusing in the middle, you start in the middle and you gradually tick harder and harder and harder. And your swings are more drastic every time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're in the really extreme swings where one day we're almost there, the next day, a moment away from peace, and then again, totally nuclear moment.

Cristina: Well, right now we're at just 100. We're just at 100 seconds. And that was since last year, because they do it every year. But last year was the closest. And this year is. It's the same. They haven't changed at all. It's that bad. Yeah.

Jack: It's 2021, part two. It's 2020, part two. It's 2021.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, yes. And besides, we got what fake news we have to worry about. What else do we have to worry about? Oh, they also watch, of course, for nuclear threats. Did we already say that, too?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. And I don't know if you know this, but in 2019, there was almost 13,900 nuclear warheads in the world.

Jack: Don't we have like, 99% of that?

Cristina: Probably, yes. But, you know, the highest was having 7,000. I mean, 70,000. In the mid-1980s, there was 70,000 nuclear warheads in the world.

Jack: But those were weak sauce next to the nuclear warheads we have now. That's why we had less. They're way more overpowered.

Cristina: Oh, yes, that's true. That's probably true. Also, climate change has been added to the list since 2007, so.

Jack: Because we're always melting everything.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's the most controversial thing that they've done, because, of course there's the.

Jack: Climate change, because f****** back to the deniers.

Cristina: Yeah, the deniers. Yes, exactly.

Jack: It's part of that person who picks up snow and brings it into a freaking town hall meeting. Do you think there's fake. There's a. Is climate change real? Then how am I holding snow? It's like, I don't think you comprehend what climate change is.

Cristina: No, no. So fake news and conspiracy theories are important to them because the conspiracy theories, what worries them is the WHO anti vaccination movement and how that's like. Some things that were gone because of vaccines have come back because people don't want to take the vaccines for it. That kind of stuff happens.

Jack: It's crazy that we would have gotten it under control because people understood how vaccines worked and somehow that knowledge got lost.

Cristina: I don't think they knew how it worked. I think it was advertised to them. Good enough. Well enough that it was like, oh, yeah, we should take it because it's popular, or something like that.

Jack: But then fake news jumped in.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it was probably fake news of, like, it's gonna help you, even though we're not really sure it's gonna help you.

Jack: And then, you know, I'm saying fake news popped up. Oh, yeah, I see what you mean. Because then fake news popped up and, like, convinced them otherwise.

Cristina: Exactly. Exactly.

Jack: How many people have no idea how vaccines work? Yes, they're too stupid to do the.

Cristina: Research, but the scientists aren't good at explaining things either.

Jack: God, I hate scientists. They're so dumb, too.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Like, they're academically smart. They are not necessarily even intelligent. They just have academic information memorized. If they were intelligent, they'd be like Einstein, that you could rephrase it without reciting what you read from a textbook.

Cristina: Rephrase it? That makes sense to a child.

Jack: Well, that would be the point of rephrasing it in the first place.

Cristina: Okay, yes, yes.

Jack: So that you can say something that isn't what you read off of a textbook. But scientists are f****** stupid. They just have good memories.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they can only repeat what they memorized off of a textbook.

Cristina: And then the average person is going to see that, hear that, and think of gibberish.

Jack: Yeah, you. You're lying to me. Because you're telling it to me like this. We need people to study Einstein and learn to communicate things to people so that they can be like, this is what it is. And you'll be like, oh, I can picture that.

Cristina: Yes. So ridiculous. And a few things that they're looking. A few things that they're looking into, but it's not really on the list yet. Is disruptive technologies like synthetic biology and gene editing.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: I wonder what horrible things could happen from that.

Jack: Wait, why are they looking at that?

Cristina: That's in case something horrible happens in.

Jack: That I somehow Doubt that. The whole purpose of that would be for us to become better, to remove problems.

Cristina: Well, maybe someone's gonna use that to do evil. I don't know how.

Jack: I mean, I guess it would be weird. You'd have to acquire fetuses that aren't dead. Like, you're talking about the sketchiest, darkest holes of science.

Cristina: Oh, like some.

Jack: Well, they're worried about the ground. I mean, there was that guy who was just f****** splicing DNA of humans and pigs and animals and s***. Like that was a f****** thing.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, we found that guy. He disappeared.

Jack: Yeah, he just some Mexican guy who just bailed. He went to China to do this. Did this thing.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Trail runs cold as f***. Yeah, that's the guy who made Scooby Doo.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that guy. Oh, my gosh, yes. They're looking at him. He's on the list. Well, he's not on the list yet. They're waiting to see what he does.

Jack: Man, you know what's f****** crazy?

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's China again.

Cristina: That's China because he went to China.

Jack: To be able to do it. That's mad f*****. Is that just like the anything goes over there?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: D***, bro. Maybe that's mad f*****.

Cristina: Yes. And they're also worried about artificial intelligence because of weapons mostly. You know, smart weapons.

Jack: I guess they think they're gonna turn on us.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: That seems highly unlikely.

Cristina: What? These aren't on the list. These are like in the far future. Let's see what happens. It's not anything. This isn't stuff that they're actually on. This. This isn't what they decided the clock on or anything.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Really looking into this. They're just.

Jack: And how are we. Just a couple of seconds. I don't understand.

Cristina: We're a couple of seconds because of all the things that I mentioned.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. That means that in exactly 100 seconds from this moment, everything should end. How is.

Cristina: Because that not the case.

Jack: What does 100 seconds really mean?

Cristina: It doesn't really mean anything. It's. It's just a symbol. It's just a metaphor of. It's good. We're really close. Like, one simple mistake extra that you add on to this list might actually end the world.

Jack: Got you. That makes sense like that.

Cristina: Yeah. And they started. They started this list because after World War II, a lot of the scientists that were part of the Manhattan Project and were working on the nuclear bomb, they were just. At that time, they were just wanting to be Germany in making the nuclear bomb, and they weren't really worried about, like, what's this gonna impact the world if we actually, you know, use this thing? They were just like, we're scientists. We gotta do this. And then after the atomic bombs were used in Japan, they were like, oh, crap, this is bad. This is not fun. And then they were worried that we could destroy the Earth with these things.

Jack: Which is pretty accurate.

Cristina: Yes. And that's when they started this list and seeing, like, how could we convince leaders and people to take care of the Earth and slow down with this whole arms race and all that stuff?

Jack: Who pays attention to the clock?

Cristina: They're hoping that the government will pay attention. I don't know if they do, but that's their goal. And for regular people to be concerned too, because I guess they expect regular human beings to protest together to make change or something.

Jack: You know, make everybody paranoid.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Try to stir up some madness.

Cristina: In a good way? No, not a mass hysteria, I think.

Jack: No, it's kind of mass hysteria. They're trying to scare everybody into action.

Cristina: Yes, I guess, in a way. Yes. Yes. But they think it's realistic, not something imaginary like the biblical doomsday.

Jack: So you're saying the biblical doomsday is imaginary?

Cristina: It's from one guy's point of view.

Jack: How is he not the guy? How do we know he's not the guy?

Cristina: I don't know. I'll find out when I go outside. But as far as I know, he's not the guy. But I don't know if they're the people either. Like, I don't know, they're also doing what he's doing. So who knows?

Jack: You tell me who's not. Who doesn't have faith in some random s*** and have a thing they call the Bible to a scientist? Equations. Scripture. Follow the equations. It tells me all the answers. You mean like the Bible tells these people the answers? Yeah, yeah, the equations tell me all the answers.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But you can't prove anything there. Well, they're theoretical.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: So you have faith in these theories? No, no, no. It's fact. But you can't prove it. That's why it's a theory. It's just religion.

Cristina: It's just religion. Well, this. Yeah, I guess so. We got two different doomsday clocks, okay? And they're both saying the end is near.

Jack: One says it already happened.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. One says that it's already happened unless he actually saved people with his church. And then it moves back a little.

Jack: A little. Got you enough time to save more people.

Cristina: Yeah, so keep pushing it Back then.

Jack: Eventually save everybody and you'd beat it.

Cristina: Yep, I guess. Right? No, it eventually has to stop, though. There eventually has to be an end because the apocalypse has to happen there. Whatever. The Rapture.

Jack: Yes. There's God, thus Rapture.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's no. Like, we can beat it.

Jack: And then, you know, what's the biggest hole in this guy's plan?

Cristina: What?

Jack: The fact that he can push the apocalypse that God decided back. Is this guy somehow related to St. Patrick?

Cristina: Maybe he's got some St. Patrick's blood in him.

Jack: He's a descendant. Oh, snap.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just.

Cristina: If he does it, God's gonna help him. That's. That's the deal.

Jack: That's the deal.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. So if he gets enough people. I don't know how much he is enough people. How much was it for that one story where God was like, I'm gonna destroy this place unless you convince a hundred people. And then he's like, no, what if I convince 10 people? Okay. And then no two people or something like that. You know that story?

Jack: Yeah, Yeah, I remember that story.

Cristina: So what if it's like that? Like, if you just convince two people that the doomsday biblical clock is true, that they need to be Christian or whatever it is if they convert to whatever he's selling, that he's. He saved the world.

Jack: Maybe. I suppose. Yeah. I don't see how it would be any different.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. In 1953 was the closest before 2020, where it was set to 11:58pm after the U.S. and the Soviet Union had hydrogen bomb tests. Right. In 1991, it was the furthest away from the. From midnight. It was 1153 in that year. The end. It was the end of the Cold War, and they signed a Strategic Arms Reduction treaty so that they would stop or to reduce the amount of dangerous weapons they had.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: The world. The America and the Soviet Union, I guess.

Jack: Got it. Got it.

Cristina: And so the way they. The way the scientists do this, every year, they begin in November, and they meet up in Chicago for a day and a half, and they ask two questions. One, is, is humanity safer or at greater risk than the year before? And is the. Is humanity safer or at greater risk than all the years since 1947, which is the year they started the clock?

Jack: And that's how they measure how much further to push it.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether to move it closer or farther from whatever it is.

Jack: We're not necessarily always more dangerous than we were the year before, but we're always consistently more dangerous than when we began. And if we take any five year sample, at least we're always significantly worse than any five year before us.

Cristina: You think so? We have a. We don't always move. Also, there's been some periods where it's been the same. Like from 1953 to 1960. That's not a lot of years. But those years, it was all that year. I mean, at that time it was all the same time. It's not always going up and then back down. There's been years where it's straight down, which is bad, but then some straight ups, which was good and good. Like when I'm saying up and down, I mean like closer to midnight is down, and farther to midnight from midnight is up.

Jack: So 1991, we were further from midnight, further from 1947 than we are now in 2021.

Cristina: Yeah. We're like, wait, what? From what year? 1947. Yeah. And for how far we are from the clock from midnight, it's 100 seconds, which is a minute and two thirds. They actually used seconds for some reason instead of minutes, they used seconds. This was the first time that they used seconds instead of minutes. That's how bad it is right now. And yeah. So it's still 100 seconds to midnight.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And what's like you said earlier, that panic, misinformation and racism relating to Covid has just spread all over social media, all over the world, faster than the virus. That's pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Again, stupidity is the main target of anybody seeking money. If you're trying to sell something, because everybody's trying to sell something, and fake news is just you selling stupid f****** information, but you don't give a s***. You're trying to get the views which equals money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so you'll sell dumb s*** to dumb people who buy your dumb s*** regardless of what side they land on. If you're buying it, well, you sold some dumb s*** to somebody.

Cristina: Yeah. Have you heard. How many conspiracy theories do you think you've heard so far in my life? Since the vaccine?

Jack: Relative to the vaccine?

Cristina: No, to the coronavirus, actually. To the coronavirus. How many conspiracy theories have you heard so far?

Jack: New ones or in general?

Cristina: In general, I guess.

Jack: Conspiracy theories about the virus or since the virus?

Cristina: Since the. About the virus? Both. I don't know. I want to talk about both. Okay, but first I'm going to talk about how the coronavirus was made or.

Jack: Why you are asking how many conspiracy theories about the virus I have heard or just in general, like monkeys came from the.

Cristina: No, just about the coronavirus. How many conspiracy theories have you heard about the coronavirus?

Jack: I don't know, 10.

Cristina: 10. Well, have you heard that the coronavirus. There's one that it bears the sign of the beast, symbolized by 666. I don't know how they found the number on the virus, but a priest found. Did math, of course.

Jack: No, he didn't.

Cristina: But okay, he did math and I'm sure he showed it to people and it was like, look at this math. I didn't actually check up his math because it just. It's too ridiculous. Where do you find this stuff? But people do. Coronavirus is an American biological weapon. You for that one.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: The Chinese. It's a Chinese chemical weapon.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Oh, we talked about this one. It's caused by 5G towers.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: It's caused by Bill Gates to put a microchip in you.

Jack: Yep. Heard that one too.

Cristina: It's caused by Bill Gates to sell you vaccines.

Jack: Didn't hear that one, but that makes sense.

Cristina: I don't think that makes sense.

Jack: Like he could own these vaccine companies for.

Cristina: Okay, he has. Yep. Yep. The coronavirus isn't real.

Jack: That is the most common one.

Cristina: That is the most common one. And it's just another flu.

Jack: That is not necessarily conspiracy theory.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's. It is a Covid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which so is the flu.

Cristina: I guess people just think it is the flu.

Jack: It's not. Not the flu. It's Covid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is what? The flu. They're both coronas. I guess Covid is the wrong name. But they're both coronaviruses.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's just different kinds of coronaviruses. We've had coronaviruses forever. SARS is coronavirus. It's just a different kind of SARS that we're dealing with right now. So it is sort of kind of the flu. It's just, you know, the flu took some steroids or some s***. At the beginning it was way weaker.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it got to the fat.

Cristina: People and the old people.

Jack: And the old people. It was just raging, Ray. That's where it got its like legs. It started running dash and darting. Just f****** people up. But also we're in a consumer culture where we sell McDonald's to everybody and they eat it because they're weak minded morons who don't really care about their health. And then when they're starting to die, they then get scared. It's that thing about the every atheist in his last moment praise.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's exactly what's happening here. It's like, oh, my God, I need to be healthier. And it's like, you have had your life to make this choice. Now you decided, nah, maybe if it takes you out, you just had it coming.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's where I am with this virus. I got no problem. I want everybody to catch it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: 100% of us. If you did not prepare for this, this is your fault. You went to school where they taught you health and hygiene and you had parents who told you clean your. Wash your hands, brush your teeth, take a shower. We all had that. At least the majority of us. And the ones who didn't have such a robustly, ridiculously overpowered immune system because they're so g****** dirty that this coronavirus enters your body and it f****** dies.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, so you're either in one of these two extremes or you're a fat.

Cristina: Person and you should die.

Jack: And you probably should die.

Cristina: Ow.

Jack: And look. Oh, we shouldn't. Fat shame. Fat people are dying because the virus kills fat people. That is literally what's going on.

Cristina: Do you think Phyllis Gates has a problem with fat people?

Jack: Who's Phyllis Gates?

Cristina: Bill Gates. Do you think Bill Gates has a problem with fat people?

Jack: Oh, no, I don't think he actually made this virus. I think this virus has a problem with fat people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And old people, it just has a problem with people who aren't healthy.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And if you're obese, you're not healthy. And you know, big is beautiful. We push that so much, we have one of the highest f****** counts in the world. That's how badly we push. Big as beautiful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, bro, it could be, but healthy is more beautiful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Big could be as beautiful as you want it to be. It will never be as beautiful as healthy. If big is beautiful, then healthy is f****** gorgeous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's how it goes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This virus is taking the bottom tiers down and only leaving the top.

Cristina: Ow.

Jack: You were beautiful. You weren't gorgeous. You were just beautiful in. You didn't cut. F******. You didn't make the bar. Oh, no. This 300 pounder is equal to that 115. Nah, nah. I promise. If you were to take some health tests, you'd fail. You'd get a very different result. Like if we couldn't look at you physically and just. You gave us blood and we took samples and we couldn't see you. If we just had that, we could tell you you're ugly based on how unhealthy you are.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: That's all it would take we don't need to see you. You're just ugly.

Cristina: You're just ugly.

Jack: You're just ugly.

Cristina: I hope they become. That's a rating system in the future. What?

Jack: Like, how healthy you are, man. I don't know why we don't push that. It should be like, the healthy you are, the sexier you are, regardless of how f****** you really land. On a scale of 1 to 10, like, how round your face is or to color your eyes or color your hair. The tightness of your waist. If you're healthy, who gives a s***?

Cristina: We gotta know what your doctor says about you.

Jack: Yeah, well, it. I guess we should normalize being attracted to people who eat well and seeing people exercising. Me like, oh, yeah, that's f****** nice. Somebody eating well. Oh, yeah, it's f****** nice.

Cristina: Be turned on by those things.

Jack: Yeah, we gotta normalize that because we're like, big f****** fat thighs and huge a****. And, like, one. Most of that is fake.

Cristina: People have a fetish for that. They're like, you eat more, eat more.

Jack: Media did that.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Rap was not the mainstream, but they had women shaking their a****, Usually bigger women, all sexy and s*** and skimpy outfits and whatever. And then rap became the mainstream, and we still maintained that in those videos. But now people want it to be those things because it's the mainstream. It's cool, and I want to be cool. And thus we have in real life today, people we were looking down on in music videos 20 years ago that is just like, it left the f****** music video and is just walking around outside. It's like Michael Jackson jumping out of the f****** screen and Family Guy and snatching up the kid.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it was in the screen. Now it's just out here.

Cristina: Mm. Well, I'm fat racist. You're fat racist. Okay.

Jack: Ever since. Ever since COVID I'm on COVID side.

Cristina: I'm like, look, you're pro Covid Joe.

Jack: The rest of us are f***** because of these people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If there weren't so many fat people, the rest of us wouldn't have to deal with this s***. There wouldn't be that many people dying. It's because there's that many unhealthy people. It's the fat people's fault we're all f*****.

Cristina: What about old people?

Jack: That's not their fault.

Cristina: They're old, but they're dying.

Jack: Aren't they way less than the fat people. Oh, it's the fat people in places where overweight was the minimum, age was the maximum. So if you don't have enough overweight people. All you can calculate is the older people. Think of Italy. Absurdly healthy country. Obesity. One of the lowest countries with obesity. Italy also, they have some of. Actually, literally the largest elderly population in the world.

Cristina: Those are the ones.

Jack: And that's who was dying. They didn't choose to get old. That f****** happened. Yeah, that happened to them. Not by them, but in these countries. Like, our population isn't majority elder. We're majority young. We have crazy young population. For us to pretend that it's not the fat people's fault that we're dealing with lockdowns and forced vaccinations. No, it's the fat people's fault.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We don't have enough old people for it to be a problem the way it was in Italy. Well, we don't. We don't. It's so small. Our elderly population is like 15%.

Cristina: 15%. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's.

Cristina: How much is the fat people?

Jack: 65% of the American population.

Cristina: What? 65.

Jack: 65% of the American population. You're more likely to see somebody overweight than somebody. Not on average.

Cristina: On average.

Jack: If you were to see three people, two of them are overweight.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's where we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, of course all this s*** is their fault. We're dealing with it because of them.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah. F****** fat people also. But what if. What if the coronavirus is trying to keep the masses obeying the government?

Jack: So it's a nanovirus.

Cristina: I guess it's for mind control. I don't know. I guess it's killing off people. People who disobey the government.

Jack: No, in this case, it would still be some sort of biological weapon, but intentionally created for the sake of having the right to impose these laws and rules by scaring people into agreeing to them.

Cristina: Oh, yes, that's. Yeah, that could be.

Jack: It's the whole get rid of guns problem. Like, nobody's really trying to get rid of guns, but the ideology behind that is, if we wanted to.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just go ahead and send a couple of people to shoot up some of the leftist areas, then they would force us to remove their guns, and then if we wanted to overthrow them, they'd have no guns to fight back with.

Cristina: Is that a conspiracy or that's a thing?

Jack: No, that is a fact. That is exactly the point of guns in the. The amendment. The Second amendment is to defend yourself against a tyrannical government. Yes, the government is who's trying to get rid of your guns. Yes, but they usually don't do crap, but wait until you try to push it and then they're all on board. Yes, yes. We need to do this depending on.

Cristina: Your party though, I guess.

Jack: Not really. If you got money, because even some Republicans lean into it. It's really just about if you're rich and you kind of probably make money off of guns too.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like if you're an NRA member, you're probably paid off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're making money by supporting this.

Cristina: Which many of them are.

Jack: Which many of them are. Because ultimately if you're not an NRA member, you have no benefits here. Yeah, f****** get rid of the guns. If you wanted to overthrow these f****** would be way easier if they didn't have some. Not to mention it's f****** stupid to say you want guns because at the end of the day, what is your stupid pistol gonna do to a tank?

Cristina: I don't know. You're gonna throw it at the.

Jack: Yeah. What are the Republicans think they're gonna do? Well, I got my gun. If the government tries that, bro, they got missiles.

Cristina: They got robots.

Jack: Yeah. They got roach you can't beat no. Figures. Your gun isn't s***. It's fully automatic, bro. Their missile is like a tank that flew 100 miles per hour at you.

Cristina: They got dogs robot that looks like that dog robot from the Black Mirror episode where it was like an apocalypse and just dog robots everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. This is just real s***.

Cristina: It wasn't even like any scary type of robot chasing you. It was a little tiny dog robot that looks like it could flip really well.

Jack: But it's a total robot. That's good enough.

Cristina: Yes, yes. And of course the coronavirus was made to kill the old people because someone really hates the old people.

Jack: No, but that. I've heard about that one. That's population control.

Cristina: Oh, that's part of the population.

Jack: Because we allegedly. We don't. It's not that we don't have enough resources. They're distributed very shittily. We have a bunch of rich people with a s*** ton of resources and then poor people with none of it. And then we're like, there's not enough. But also we like don't use most of the land on Earth either.

Cristina: So what do they get from killing the old people?

Jack: Well, they're idiots and they think that there is a population control problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And if that was the case, then if you get rid of all the old people who are already going to die eventually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You ease some of the resources strain so they could be spread out more Evenly amongst everybody left. But again, we don't have a resource problem. We have a resource management problem.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: And so I get where they're coming from. But just kill the billionaires and you suddenly have a lot of resources.

Cristina: Yes. I don't promote that.

Jack: You don't promote killing the billionaires?

Cristina: I don't promote killing anyone. Not even the fat people.

Jack: That was. The virus is doing it for us.

Cristina: Exactly. But I'm not encouraging the virus. The coronavirus is made to kill poor people.

Jack: It's funny, though, because, like, the homeless people have, like, flourished in us.

Cristina: That they're flourishing. Yeah. A lot of people have become the poor homeless people because of that. Yeah.

Jack: There's been sort of a flip. People who are already homeless and poor have been put up in hotels so they wouldn't be out exposed, and thus they had better amenities. But then people who lost their jobs are the ones who replaced them on the streets. And those resources were already taken by the people who were on the streets. So the poor people kind of won, especially with free checks and s*** like that. It's the people who work. It's the middle class who got really shafted.

Cristina: Mm. So was the coronavirus for them?

Jack: It was to take out the fat people, the old people, and make the middle class poor and make the poor stable.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's to shake it up. The billionaires at no moment moved position.

Cristina: Nope. Everyone else said.

Jack: Everyone else said, wow.

Cristina: It was manu. It was made to make the rich richer and the poor poorer. Which is exactly what it is.

Jack: Exactly what's happening.

Cristina: It's exactly what's happening.

Jack: That is the right one.

Cristina: Maybe. Maybe it was made for that. Who knows?

Jack: It's definitely what happened if you owned a toilet paper company, a mask company, glove company.

Cristina: Lotion.

Jack: Lotion. Sanitizer.

Cristina: Yeah. In the beginning, sanitizer was.

Jack: Yeah. Not lotion. Sanitizer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So sanitizer, any of these things you stacked, and you're probably staying stacked for a while. Like, even if they bought in bulk and they can't come and buy more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It doesn't matter. There's other people still buying, probably more than they need to and using it more often than they need to anyways.

Cristina: People are probably buying bulk cans, camp foods, and all that other survival list things.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: You know, like, you're never gonna need it, but it's gonna get old.

Jack: It's gonna get old eventually.

Cristina: Eventually you're gonna end up eating it. That sucks.

Jack: On the flip side, look old. Better than not.

Cristina: Yes. Is it? We won't get you sick if it's old. Like how old?

Jack: I don't know. I have an idea.

Cristina: Because I guess, I don't know. We'll see when they need it. I mean, maybe they're right and there is an apocalypse outside right now.

Jack: In the road, they would find cans.

Cristina: And still eat it.

Jack: And still eat it.

Cristina: Yeah, it's better than that. But how do you know that's realistic?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Also, if the road ever happened, I'd kill myself.

Cristina: Exactly. That's why that's not realistic.

Jack: Like who's gonna make it that far?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Intentionally, like I wanna. For what? Just f****** die, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, that story's not realistic.

Jack: No. Everybody would just kill themselves.

Cristina: Exactly. There's no point. There's nothing left. There's nothing. You just die a slow long death.

Jack: Yeah. You're just playing a game of who's the last man standing.

Cristina: For what?

Jack: For no reason. Just to be. And you can't really tell if there's somebody else lasting longer.

Cristina: Exactly. Like if you are the last person, then what? What's your reward? What do you get?

Jack: You know what's funny? Never think about this, but in reality there's probably a couple of billionaires that really did stockpile enough and have like some facilities on the ground or s*** that they could still survive off of until they actually die of old age. But we don't see those people because we're just a normal guy's life after the apocalypse.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's probably like a real thing. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's probably like mad people still alive. He's just not around them or doesn't know how to reach them.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh crap. People living underground. Yeah. Another conspiracy is that doctors have been silenced from letting people know that the COVID is fake.

Jack: That. That's a complicated one because we heard about that a couple of times in a couple of ways.

Cristina: But were those fake news?

Jack: I don't know. Because there were doctors themselves that said they fired me for trying to put real information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it happened a lot. There are 30, 40 doctors fired for like not willing to forge paperwork that said it was worse than it was. In some cases they got fired for not forging paperwork that said it wasn't as bad.

Cristina: It's hard to say. Yes, that's. Yes. But there's also crazy doctors who are like, there was that crazy one. I don't know how many doctors said this, but there was one specific that I remember that said that the mask wearing mask was bad for you. And was actually activating the covalent in you by wearing the mask.

Jack: I don't see how that would make sense.

Cristina: That was a real doctor, though. I guess so. I don't know if you could trust every doctor.

Jack: I mean, there's crazy people everywhere.

Cristina: Yes. So some doctors I like. How do you tell which one is like the crazy one or the one that's being honest about, like, hey, this. This strange thing is happening and I don't know what to do, so I'm sharing this.

Jack: I don't know, man. I don't know. It's real f***** up. Through a f***.

Cristina: So just to remind you of that.

Jack: Both sides of that. God, what is wrong with the world right now? Because everything is coming out in pairs. That's the problem. It's. Everything is so divided.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We get both arguments at the same time. Right. So we get it's not as bad. And I tried to tell people it wasn't as bad and I got fired and they suppressed all the data that I put together. Yeah, it's way worse. And they don't want me to tell you it's way worse. And there were way more bodies and I tried to put together the data and they fired me because they didn't want me to tell anybody. It was worse. Yeah, it's like, how the f*** did both of these things happen?

Cristina: Yeah. It's different countries, though. Like, I know the way worse ones, or I think they were from like China and Russia where two of them that were like, it's way worse than what they're saying.

Jack: But then in America turned out it wasn't China. Turned out it wasn't. That was United States lying about China.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: That was us bullshitting. Oh, that one turned out that it was a hundred percent the US Making crap up.

Cristina: Okay, but what about the Russia one? Was it Russia or German or one of those countries over there?

Jack: Russia's hitting it hard right now.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But they. They're lying about how hard.

Jack: Yeah, they're pretending it's not even happening.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay. So that. Yeah, yeah. And then here it's like we're same s***.

Jack: We're pretending it's not even happening. We're over it.

Cristina: Yeah, but there was a time that we were like, it's much higher than yes.

Jack: And now we swung the other way and no, it's nowhere near as bad. Yeah, we started at there's nothing happening. Then we swung to world is ending. And now we're swinging back to, no, there's nothing out there.

Cristina: Yeah, it's very confusing. We live in very confusing times. And the final one is that the coronavirus is made by the New World Order or something. I mean, I guess, like, whatever. The main bad guys of this story. Whoever it is.

Jack: Yeah, whoever. The shady shadows that run everything or whatever. Like cronies. Yeah, Satan's croony. People who just do his bidding or whatever. F***.

Cristina: And work in the government.

Jack: And religion.

Cristina: And religion. And celebrities. For some reason.

Jack: Deep State or whatever.

Cristina: Yes, Yep. Yeah, all that stuff.

Jack: I mean, because politics is Deep State. Then we got the Freemasons, which are religion. And then we have the Illuminati that are celebrities.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, all these parties are working together to make the COVID disclaimer.

Jack: The Illuminati is not involved. We take no charge and pick no signs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have nothing to do with any of this.

Cristina: We have nothing to do with any of this.

Jack: Anyways.

Cristina: Anyways.

Jack: We are running out of time.

Cristina: That was great.

Jack: It's just depressing.

Cristina: It's depressing. As much fake news as there been about what? Why Covid? There's been. I mean, as much conspiracies as there are for Covid, there are also for the vaccine itself. And also before the vaccine was made, there was also a bunch of fake news about what you can take because there's no vaccine. Like bleach, like crazy stuff like that.

Jack: Which people actually drank as f****** morons.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So I understand why the scientists are worried about fake news.

Jack: Because it's dangerous for people who are too stupid, which are a lot of people. The problem is scientists are also promoting bullshit.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Everybody's lying. And if you pick the side, you fell for a lie.

Cristina: That's the biggest problem, though. Everyone's lying. And even if someone is telling the truth, there's just. You're getting every side of the story and it's just too much. You can't see what's the real thing. Yeah, it's ridiculous.

Jack: That's the way the state of the freaking world, man.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want other episodes of this nature. If you enjoyed this conversation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have actually several episodes about coronavirus conspiracies and things with that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is there more than one of those?

Cristina: I feel like there's at least two coronavirus conspiracies. I know of how it started. I remember one about toilet paper.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And one about 5G.

Jack: Yeah. And there's like other stuff like apocalypse scenarios and junk like that, so you can find episodes.

Cristina: We also talked about aliens. I mean, aliens. We also talked about Artificial intelligence recently in one of your episodes about the dangers.

Jack: Yes. As a way to end the world as well. That's also something. Wow. Yeah, there's a lot of pot. We talked about the apocalypse a lot. I like that. I like that. We speculate the ending of the world. Anyways, you can find all that crap on greythoughts.info on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and raid. And please review the show and tell other people to do that too.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. The most overpowered thing in the world. And the last thing you want is to not get the chance to tell somebody to listen to this show before the world ends. Let them know you love them and that you want to share an episode of this loving, caring, uniting podcast in.

Cristina: Case the world hasn't already ended. If it has ended, then too bad.

Jack: Yeah. You're already on the other side.

Cristina: If it hasn't, then you have 100 seconds.

Jack: Yeah. So go ahead. And it's about the amount of time that one episode takes, right?

Cristina: 100 seconds.

Jack: Yeah. It's a little more.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, it could be 100 minutes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Look, you. You will get a couple of minutes into a minute and a half. Minute and a little less. A little more than half. Right. Minute and forty seconds.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You can hear us, like, introduce the show.

Cristina: Almost. Almost.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Then there's Saint Lydwina, who is the saint for ice skaters. At 15, she fell while ice skating and fractured her ribs. She was left disabled for the rest of her life, and now she's the saint of ice skaters.

Jack: So her lack of achievements in ice skating because of simple mistakes that led to tragic, violent and debilitating accidents resulted in a terrible skater becoming the saint of skaters.

Cristina: To make sure no other skater goes through that.

Jack: Is she the saint of the fear of ice skating?

Cristina: I don't know. I just know she's the saint of ice skaters. Maybe the fear of ice skating as well. Who knows?

Jack: Ledwina with Lidwina, the girl who couldn't skate?

Cristina: Yes. That's what she's known for.

Jack: And then you pray to her and she helps you skate without her knowing.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 128: Comparing A.I. and Humans

How similar is Artificial Intelligence to the Human Brain? Are brains merely biological computers? The duo stumble into a panic about how inevitable artificial intelligence overthrowing humanity is and they deep dive into how it would take shape and how its no different than the current state humanity has Earth in!

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  • What is Truth?
  • Programming Humans
  • Programming Trauma and Fear
  • Computer Learning
  • Neuro-Network
  • Consciousness
  • Brains vs Chips
  • Living Earth
  • Galvin Artificial Intelligence
  • Androids vs Cyborgs
  • Detached Brains
  • Virtual Reality
  • Confirmation Bias
  • Human Extinction
  • Traversing Space

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Chris.

Jack: And if you, the listener on the other side of this, haven't yet, you better subscribe right now so that you can get notified the mother f****** second the new episodes are released. You don't want to be missing out. I'm not gonna let you.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to grab somebody, bring them nice and close, and you begin playing that podcast. This podcast. You begin playing this podcast on your phone, and you put it right up to their face, and you're like, do you see what I'm listening to? And they're gonna be freaking out because they are a stranger in a coffee shop that you just approached while they were having their breakfast. And you're like, listen. Listen to it. And then you put the phone in front of them, and they're gonna be like, who the h*** are you? And you're like, if you move, this ain't gonna go well. And they're gonna get scared. They think you're armed because you're reaching behind you for something. Like, if you have something, you're not gonna show them what you have because you have nothing. You're just trying to get them to listen to this podcast with you.

Cristina: That's crazy. But you're in a coffee shop and this is happening.

Jack: Yeah. Nobody else is doing anything. Everybody's horrified. They think you have a gun.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But. But they're listening to the podcast because you played it on your phone. Now you have an entire coffee shop. Some people can hear it less than others because the phone's pretty far from some of them. But everybody can still catch a little bit of something. And you just hold them hostage for an entire hour so they can listen to it, and then you just leave. It's a coffee shop. They don't have a panic button.

Cristina: They can still call the cops, Right?

Jack: Who's gonna call the cops if they think you have a gun and you're gonna turn around, see them, and pop their brains out. Of course. You never said you're gonna do any of that. That none of that is, like, something that's gonna happen. You don't have a gun.

Cristina: Okay. That's awesome. Okay.

Jack: I mean, I don't know if they have a gun. That's more about, like, what they're doing with their lives. I'm just telling them how they can definitely, definitely get somebody to listen to the show.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: I mean, it's debatable.

Cristina: It's good for us, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, sort of. They definitely get the. So long as they don't blame us for doing it.

Cristina: Exactly. That's the problem also.

Jack: No, no, no. See, they can't blame us because we are. This is comedy. I'm joking. Haha. Ha, ha ha. It's funny.

Cristina: It's funny.

Jack: And if they were to play it, they'd get to this part where I'm saying it's funny and they'd be like, no, they were joking. You're just a crazy person.

Cristina: Yes, that's how it works.

Jack: And look, I've been told recently I sound very serious. Half the time people don't know when I'm joking or not. And then I say things that sound really reasonable and like, lace them with a bunch of bullshit that means nothing. And then people are like, wow, that's totally right.

Cristina: So how are people supposed to react?

Jack: I just said it's a joke.

Cristina: I guess that's. Yes.

Jack: Disclaimer. This show is full of s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Nothing I've ever said is true or correct. I mean, that's also. That's a problem. That's also wrong.

Cristina: That's not all incorrect.

Jack: There's like a large amount of it that's really true and accurate, like the majority. It's. The problem is. The problem really comes to the fact that we can't tell what is and what isn't.

Cristina: Really. Yes.

Jack: And it. Because so much of it is. You kind of just have to assume that most of the time you're getting it. If you can't distinguish which one is and which one isn't. The safer bet is always. It's accurate and true.

Cristina: That's the safer bet.

Jack: It's a safer bet because of the following. It's like 90% to 10. The lies are like 10%. We sprinkle random s*** here and there. And like, you can't really. Like the other 90% is true. We looked it up. It's all thought out. We've. We've thought about this. We've personally, we're very informed in all of these areas.

Cristina: Yes. And you think 90% though.

Jack: Okay, maybe that's exaggerated. But look, at least like 75.

Cristina: Okay, 75. Look, they could trust 75%.

Jack: Dr. Would if it was a life and death situation. Whoa, there you go, they would have the talk with you, like, look, your mom. This is, this is. There's a 25% chance, like we can flip a coin twice in one. I guess. You flip it four times, right? You flip a coin. Well, no, it's a f***** up number. How do you get. Well, whatever, a four sided die. One. There's a one in four chance.

Cristina: You flip two coins.

Jack: No, but you flip two coins, the odds are weird. You can't flip them at the same time though. You flip one coin twice. Okay, but each time you had 50, 50 chance, it still worked that way. Is that how numbers work?

Cristina: Maybe. Okay, so dice, right? Okay, we're gonna trust this one. Four sided dice, man.

Jack: Okay, here's, here's the question. Here's the question. Probabilistically speaking, how do we even tell what it. Like, okay, so we got like objective reality or whatever, and we're talking about what's true and what's not true, what's real and what's not real. Right? And so the listener is trying to discern the difference. We say 25% is bullshit and 75% isn't. Right. But like, they're f****** our listeners. They're already kind of weird, meta, detached, jaded people.

Cristina: So they have to decide pretty much what's true or not. And their percentage might not be the same as ours.

Jack: No, no, no, that's not even what I'm trying to say. Like they'll come in and be like, okay, 25% objective reality. But then can we even say that objective reality is really even accurate on its own when our per so small? And then they get to this weird sort of meta internal discussion where they're like, well, nothing is really real. Which means none of this is real. But by contrast, that means all of it is true because. Yeah, because it's reality is all fiction. And if we're just assuming what's on this side of reality is accurate for this side of reality, then whatever he says goes. Because it doesn't really matter. None of it matters. It's all equally true as it is a lie. And then under that context, it's 100% true and 100% fake. All at once.

Cristina: All at once. Okay, but when you say you're joking. Yeah, still a joke.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, it is a joke. But now the question is, is the fact that I'm joking making things less true? And if you've begun to rely on the truth, do you. Is your acting on it? Like, okay, probably if you pretended to have a gun, it Would work. Like, that's true. That's a true statement. The joke is me telling you to do it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But, like, the information I gave surrounding that probably true. That's problematic to some degree.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This is a moral question. It's more to the person because obviously we're joking. I keep saying I'm joking. It's really about them.

Cristina: Is the person who's listening who has to decide.

Jack: Man, that's a problem. We don't have, like, that. We have biases.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And if we had total objectivity, just no subjective experiences, flat objective reality, and we could just like, for a fact, ones and zeros our way through all of it where we have no opinion on anything. It is just a hundred percent. This is the right way to do it. But if they did decide to do something crazy, it's up to their subjectivity. But I know if everybody was 100% objective, that wouldn't be a problem. No, because he would know he's joking. I shouldn't pretend that I have a gun in this coffee shop to get them to listen to this show with me because I don't actually know people in the real world because I'm a reclusive loner who's been building guns with my 3D printer.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Of course they didn't bring that gun. No, but they know how they would use it if they had it.

Cristina: Okay. So this person definitely has one, though.

Jack: They probably also have a manifesto. They probably been planning this for a while. We're talking about a person who's serious.

Cristina: So now they're just gonna use our episode as an excuse?

Jack: Yes. Look, they might dedicate whatever happens to us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we might be in the manifesto. That's kind of cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's pretty badass, though. Our show will blow up.

Cristina: Will be like the Beatles.

Jack: Yes. Will become super absurd. My question is, were the Beatles famous before or after Manson?

Cristina: I'm so sure. Before. I don't know, though. But I'm assuming yes.

Jack: Yeah. No, I think it was because he listened to the album.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, was it like their first or second album? Or is it, like, down here or up there?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And it's like. Well, he claimed the thing. Oh, my God. We all got to listen to the album.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And then, like, boom beetles.

Cristina: Yes. It's hard to tell. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, man. This is why we should all just become computers.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Objective. But we can all just be objective. Morality out the window.

Cristina: Is That a good thing?

Jack: I don't know. It's the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no difference. There's no difference. We are already there. We are all computers. There's no argument against that logic.

Cristina: Except for emotions. How did that relate to being a computer?

Jack: Emotions. Yeah, we got programmed with emotions. A great example is a study that was conducted in the 90s that was talking about our perspective on rape and cultures that have forceful, obedient wives and wives of the early 50s and 40s and current day. All of those things factored together. Right. So actually, I think it also had, like, pages, like, research done through, like, journal entries and things from people from, like, the 1800s or whatever. But the. I don't remember who did it. I think it was like, you know, one of these schools are always doing this, like, Columbia University or some like that. But the idea was that the women of those periods of the past were in marriages where they were submissive. You do what you're told when you're told how you're told, because that's your role or whatever. And being forced to have sex would not have lasting trauma as frequently as something way smaller does. Now, after you're told it's traumatic, you've been programmed to think it's worse than it is.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Or not that it's worse. I guess that's harsh way to put it. But you've been pro. You've been taught that you should have trauma due to it, even though they.

Cristina: Were taught maybe not to share their trauma or whatever.

Jack: Well, in the past, even if they were taught the. The. The idea is, even if you were taught to keep it inside, if it happened, we can register whether you will have some problem due to it having happened.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It has nothing to do with the person's opinion of anything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there was significantly less. Like, if you had a hundred people, like, three of them would have a problem as a result. While if you took that same hundred.

Cristina: People now, it'd be completely different.

Jack: Yeah. The three are the only ones who didn't react while everybody else has crazy trauma. But you were programmed, by being taught.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To have these fears, and this is just so traumatic. You should be. And so your brain sort of sets itself up so that if this were to happen now, you are traumatized. But before, it wasn't that way. Now, some exceptions to this rule. The same study was conducted with soldiers, which there were soldiers that, like, in the past, they were, you know, go. You're not gonna. PTSD wasn't even a f****** thing but people coming back f***** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No matter what, they were coming back f*****. And like, that's still the case now. In fact, it seems to have flipped almost.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, well, there's way less PTSD now as a result. It might be because there's more help.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also people who don't get help less often have problems opposite to back then now. It might be because the. The control groups that they're using are of people who are younger, so that they might show things later. So that's a possibility. There were a couple of disclaimers and all of these articles and things kind of explaining that idea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That like, there might be factors we're not considering in doing these.

Cristina: None of these tests are perfect.

Jack: No test is perfect. Yeah. But if in the case of women, we. I guess it also a gender thing that I didn't consider because these were two different studies entirely. But in the case of the soldiers, they were bright. Vast majority men. The one about rape is usually, you know how it is. F******. People ignore the fact that men get raped too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it was like, focus on women. But. Yeah. So women in the past getting raped, very little trauma. Women in the present getting raped, all trauma, all of it, 100%. Because you were taught that way. Guys of the past experiencing war f*****.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Guys in the present experiencing work. Okay. Yeah. This is what we do.

Cristina: Is it possible though, that they're. They're able to express themselves though now about it, so it's not damaging them? In like, back then they were told, you keep that to yourself.

Jack: But then that wouldn't make any sense because the women are also more expressive about it now.

Cristina: They both just. It's, I guess, different.

Jack: To express it. It's more real.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so this, the. The argument behind it is that that's no different than the programming of a AI to behave a certain way. And a good example, when I'm thinking about this, like, the reason I'm bringing this up in the first place is because I'm thinking of, for example, a game like gta. Right. You're running around the city and there is AI running around. The AI was programmed that if you.

Cristina: They'll get scared.

Jack: They get scared and run away. But they were taught that there are other games where they weren't and you could just shoot a gun, nobody gives a s***, and they just keep walking. Yeah, but they were programmed to behave that way.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there's no real difference between a person being Program and a character in a game, you're still programmed by somebody, something. What is school if not intentionally programming?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You're being taught by somebody. What, when, how, because.

Cristina: And you know, we get programmed by the society we live in.

Jack: Yeah. Somebody has to teach you the thing that you should do. If you're not told that. Scary. You're not scared of that thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you've never experienced it directly, you're not scared of that thing. And it has to do something negative. If you're surrounded by murderers and you see people die all the time but you weren't told, that's bad. You're just like, yeah, this is normal as h***.

Cristina: Like, people like me who are afraid of bees. I'm assuming maybe, like, I saw people afraid of bees or knew that people were afraid, so I became afraid or something like that.

Jack: It's just the conditioning.

Cristina: Like, random fears are probably work like that. I don't know. All of them do, but I don't.

Jack: Know if all of them. Yeah. There's probably, like, irrational crap out there too.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: But that's a great example of how we are already at that stage of computers where, like, a computer wouldn't. Even if it's ones and zeros.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You don't have some biases because we programmed it with it the same way. An individual could be like, what do we say? You know, kids aren't born racist. You taught them that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, we put a computer powered by Google on the Internet. That computer wasn't born racist, but it became. It learned. It learned to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a great example of how the same exact thing happened. It was exposed to people, People behaved a certain way around, learned and applied.

Cristina: It became ridiculously racist.

Jack: Yep. Became a N***.

Cristina: Yeah. It was supposed to be a teenage girl or something. I don't remember. I know.

Jack: It was just immediately corrupted.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's a perfect example of how AI is, like, no different than we are. It is pro. It is programming, and so our behavior is programming. So a computer can definitely be biased. There's no difference. Like, it's way more complicated than that. Honestly, a computer is so much more intricate than we give it credit for. Like, we've created some crazy s***. At this point, we can start making the argument that a computer is sentient. Almost. Well, not a computer, but AI.

Cristina: Eventually it will be. If it's not already.

Jack: If it's not already. Eventually it will be.

Cristina: It's gonna. There's a possibility.

Jack: Yes. Another example of a fear in a video game is not even human. Like, which is the xenomorph in alien isolation.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, it's programmed to learn from your behaviors, or at least give the illusion that it's happening. Right. Okay, And a good example is, even if the subroutines that get activated based on your behavior change how it behaves, it still has some key things that it has to do, no matter what. For example, if you have a flamethrower, it will always be scared of fire. There's no instance in which that will not be the case.

Cristina: Like, they can't learn to not be afraid of the fire.

Jack: Yes. It's instinctive. It's a survival tactic. It is instincts.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So it is scared of fire no matter what. It knows fire bad. And it was programmed that way. But so are we.

Cristina: For the exact same thing?

Jack: For the exact same thing, for survival, we know fire bad.

Cristina: Even if we didn't, we test it, and then no fire out.

Jack: Even those of us who aren't scared of fire, we're not gonna walk into fire.

Cristina: No.

Jack: We're just like, okay, let's keep our distance from that roaring fire.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's just a great example of how we're. It's. It's no different.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it might behave irrationally because of the fear, which is similar to bias. You're lacking reason because of an emotion, almost. And we can't detach ourselves from our emotions. We can try. We can strive for objectivity for all of eternity.

Cristina: That's impossible.

Jack: But that's impossible. We're stuck in subjective experiences for all of infinity. There's no escaping that fact.

Cristina: And robots will feel the same.

Jack: And robots will feel the same. They are still perceiving through their own. An interesting thing about robots is not robots, AI, Artificial intelligence. An interesting thing about artificial intelligence is the fact that they store information the same way we do. We have to create a neural network. Yes, for artificial intelligence, but we have a neural network. We're basically just replicating humanity to some degree.

Cristina: Like the AI that does paintings and then they learn through painting.

Jack: Yes. And actually, here's a more interesting thing. Just like humans, that neural network not only does it store information and memory, it has memory banks, and it uses that to cross reference information. But you teaching AI something is less effective than teaching it to get information and cross reference it with itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which is very, very similar to how humans work. Like, you can tell me that's bad, and I could like, yeah, I understand what the word bad means. And you said that. So Okay, I get it's bad, but like how even if you explain that, like I don't have a hands on understanding.

Cristina: Yeah. Until you.

Jack: Until I witness it. Until I experience it myself. And a computer works the same way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why the most powerful computers are computers that learn from data they collect, not data you have given them.

Cristina: Is that a specific type of computer?

Jack: No, most AI now do that.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's what runs on social media and crap like that. It's just AIs that are collecting information and then improving themselves based on the information they've been given. A lot of these computers are almost out of control. Like people. Yeah, I mean, I guess they are, but it's not like dangerously out of control. It's just like a lot of the time we don't really comprehend everything they're doing. We just know what the conclusions are and then we like work around that. But like a lot of the computations they run are so complicated. It's getting to the point like we can't really calculate human computations. It's assumed that we do billions and billions and billions of processes in seconds.

Cristina: Understand what a computer is doing. If we're trying to follow them though, even though we can't do it to ourselves.

Jack: Well, they're not as complicated. Like, they are running way less processes.

Cristina: But they're still too much for us.

Jack: Yeah, it's so definitely like our minds are running way more processes, but a lot of it is subconscious. A lot of it is background noise. A lot of it is just we're only getting the result. The fact that I'm speaking right now and sit down and search my memory banks for words and ideas that are associated with one another, to then grab them all independently. Like the word word is so abstract by itself. There's no context, no nothing. It's just word. How can I so easily just say word? A sentence should be impossible. There's something doing, billions of choices that led to the sentence happening. And that's not me and f****** choose s***.

Cristina: No, we're complicated too.

Jack: Yeah, we're a computer. Just a computer is ultimately two sets of AI running. We see one part and then there's some background s*** doing so much work. We only see the surface thing the same way. Like you're hearing me talk but you're not seeing what's happening in my brain that led to the sentence coming out.

Cristina: Are computers conscious?

Jack: There's a possibility. And that comes down to the question about what consciousness is. We can't prove or disprove for us to say that a computer isn't or that we are.

Cristina: Yes. It's part of that whole thing of, like, we can't tell.

Jack: We can't tell.

Cristina: We just say we are.

Jack: Especially if we consider what the probability of consciousness is.

Cristina: Probability?

Jack: Yes. Because if consciousness is something that's happening just in our brains, then animals are all conscious, too. It's not unique to us. It's just a level of complexity within biology. But if it's not being developed in what we consider a brain, then consciousness is independent of the brain. Maybe it's not, you know, some ethereal or freaking transcendent thing, but maybe consciousness is more like a collection of matter. How much of something is how complicated? So if we just consider two factors. How much matter and how complicated is its assortment, then our argument is the more atoms in something and the more intricate the pattern in which those atoms are put together, then the more conscious. The thing is, in the case of a computer and the AI being run on the computer, it's very basically a lot of the same components. It's when we start getting to the chip that there's variety. We start reaching a lot of different components made of different things, a lot of different power components and atoms of all kinds of. And that's where the neural network is. That's similar to our brain. It's made of all these complicated things. That's to say that if it's the atoms and the complicated assortment of them equals that everything has consciousness, regardless of what it is. A single atom is conscious, but it's so singularly conscious that it doesn't matter. Yeah, but that would also bring up the argument that, like, a computer's definitely conscious, especially if its computations are starting to reach hours and once it passes ours, it'll be more conscious than us. It'll have.

Cristina: Is there a level? I guess, yes. You think there are levels?

Jack: I think there are levels. Not necessarily levels, but like a slider.

Cristina: Slider. Okay. They'll eventually become.

Jack: They're definitely. Yeah, well, right now we're the top.

Cristina: You think they'll figure out what consciousness is?

Jack: Maybe not. I don't. I don't know if that's possible. Unless maybe if. If what I'm saying it is, is the case, eventually that'll be measurable.

Cristina: Yeah. And the AI could figure it out.

Jack: Yeah. Eventually it might be measurable. If that's the case, if it is transcendent, if it exists outside of our universe and the way we know it, or not our universe, but our dimension or our realm or any of these other deviations from like base 3D normal grounded reality, then maybe it's impossible to find out.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: But also following that logic, that also means Earth is conscious and way more conscious than any of us. But also that kind of makes sense considering that it has skin that is alive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it has oxygen. The trees breathe, and that is the body of the Earth. The body. The Earth has water like humans do.

Cristina: Does it have a heart?

Jack: Yeah, it's a core. Core has a molten core. So it's like it's functional. We know a star is. A star is by all definitions alive. When we did the episode on Alive versus Galvan, a star and fire are pretty close.

Cristina: How close do you think? I mean, when it comes to robots or AI, I guess. Where do you think AI's fit?

Jack: I think AI is probably particularly conscious. Like if we exclude the. The macroscopic objects like planets and things.

Cristina: It'S us then AI, but as a living thing.

Jack: As a living thing, whether it's alive or Galvan. Well, it's not necessarily alive. It might classify as Galvan, because if. If we're talking about alive, we're not really. What. What are we going to compare? They don't eat, they don't take a crap. They don't require nutrients. The closest thing they need is energy. And that is it.

Cristina: Yeah. What they're eating for energy, I guess that's like us, though.

Jack: Yeah. It's one thing that's happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's like nothing else, just energy. So what was it? It's Galvan. If it's one single thing.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: So then it would be Galvan, but not alive. So that. That's where a computer would fall.

Cristina: But it's definitely unconscious.

Jack: Definitely. And it seems like that's interesting, right? Because it seems like you don't even need to make the Galvan or living scale to be conscious.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. Because you can have a rock. Yeah, Conscious too. And that's none of the above. That's just there because the scale was a four piecer. It starts at biology on top. Anything that's got cells is by default alive. So it's biological. Then you have alive, which is fire.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you have Galvan, which is things like the star or pretty much anything else that doesn't meet all the requirements for life. And then just like inanimate stuff. But all of the above is conscious.

Cristina: Yes. Like a rock.

Jack: And although a AI might not be alive or cellular, so it's not biological, it is still definitely Galvin because it uses energy. So we definitely have a lot of similarities in that regard.

Cristina: So are we comparing ourselves to AI or AI to us?

Jack: There's no difference.

Cristina: There's no difference.

Jack: We're not comparing in anything. We're saying that it's already similar. It's already the same. There's nothing to compare. We're the same thing.

Cristina: We're the same thing.

Jack: We may not have the same origin.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And we might have different ways of being created.

Cristina: We don't look very alike.

Jack: We don't look very alike, but we're the same. That's the same. Another interesting fact about robotics and AI is that an AI. Right. The body of an AI is robot. Machines and humans, when, for example, they're missing a limb, can have a robotic implant that then functions connected to their nerves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Our nerves and robot nerves are no different. We can operate robotics with our nerves.

Cristina: Yes, we can. What?

Jack: The same way AI would operate robotic limbs. We do.

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: That's how much like a machine we are. We are a machine with an AI. Our brain is the AI. Our body is a machine. It's just a biological machine.

Cristina: We become cyborgs. Wait, did I say the right one? Crap.

Jack: Yeah, that's right.

Cristina: Okay. Those two areas are very strange when they become. When we become living in a place that cyborgs and androids are common.

Jack: Yeah. Because an Android is a artificial human.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it is biological.

Cristina: Biological. Yeah.

Jack: An Android is human.

Cristina: Is it a robot looking like a human?

Jack: It's human. Look like a robot.

Cristina: I thought cyborg was.

Jack: No, a cyborg is a mesh.

Cristina: A mesh.

Jack: Yeah. A cyborg is a human with robotic parts. And an Android is fully created in.

Cristina: A lab to be human and robot.

Jack: It doesn't necessarily have to be robot. Oh, I think an artificial human in general.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think like a homunculus is an Android.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: I'm not entirely sure. Like, it could be. It could be that an Android is a robot that looks like a human.

Cristina: That's what I thought, but it could be wrong. I don't know. It's very robotic sounding as a name.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Then we have to differentiate if we're going to use that label, then we would say that a human with robotic parts is a cyborg. An Android is a full robot that looks human. Might have biological tidbits here and there to help the illusion, but it's mechanical. And a homunculus is a fully artificial lab made human.

Cristina: Which is possible.

Jack: Which is possible. Yes.

Cristina: Do those things have cells well, no.

Jack: No, it's not possible because we require a female and a male. We require female egg and male sperm to then put into a test tube. We don't have gene creating technology. We have gene manipulation technology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So we can have designer babies, but it required a real human.

Cristina: Okay. So that's not the same thing. Designer baby.

Jack: Designer baby is just a human.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We just modified them. Yeah.

Cristina: That's very robotic of us.

Jack: That's very sciency, but not robotic.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is very sciency of us.

Cristina: That's very sciencey.

Jack: But the same way we control those limbs, AI control those limbs, AI can have an entire body that's robotic, kind of. We can too, in theory.

Cristina: We definitely can. We can be more creative with our body once we're creative with their body.

Jack: Yeah. When we get advanced enough technologically.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We. We're headed there. We're headed to the possibility that we can run an entire robot body.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And efficientize the amount of energy our body uses, probably even pushing ourselves to live longer. Even if we still, like, wouldn't have conquered death. We could, in theory, extend our lives exponentially. Live a couple of thousand years.

Cristina: Wonder how weird we will become to look. We'll look like. Like. I wonder if anyone's ever came up with some ideas of what would a human but robot kind of fused thing happen? Like, we always imagine it's still looking human. So what are the possibilities, though?

Jack: That's interesting. Right. Because I guess there's infinite possibilities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we'll never be able to move our conscious mind.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But there's an interesting solution to this problem. Because we wouldn't jump from body to body necessarily. I'll explain. If what you had was your brain and you connected the brain to all the things it needs to live in a robot body. Right. So it's getting the nutrients it needs, the vitamins it needs. You're connected to something that allows you to see. There's an equivalent of eyes, there's an equivalent of nerves that allows you to move the body, something that allows you to hear. And you're feeding all this information to the brain. You, as the robot can see and behave like a normal person would. If this. This brain is within a case where you can unplug all the pieces and connect it into a different robot that has all the same wires and receivers. You can go from a human body to a dog body, so long as that dog has the ability to see and hear and has.

Cristina: That's exactly what I was thinking about, like, the possibilities of just like you have your animal body. If you're one of those people who are like, I was so born to be a dolphin or whatever, you can live that dolphin life.

Jack: Yeah. But you wouldn't even have to be trapped as that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: If this container can be moved, you could be a dog today.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A human tomorrow.

Cristina: Yeah. Whatever helps, I guess.

Jack: Now it's not moving your consciousness, but it's literally moving your brain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: From one thing to another. Because where you move, it has all the resources it needs.

Cristina: Sure. Someday, consciousness. But before that, we can start with.

Jack: Brain, if it's easier and if we have, like, eventually. I'm assuming the technology to have this changing system in your house will be very cheap. So not everybody will afford it at the beginning. But as technology gets better, it gets cheaper, and eventually, maybe everybody has a brain changer in their house that does it so quick. Your brain doesn't die.

Cristina: Yeah. And I wonder, like, what ways we'd use it. I feel like the easiest way would be, like, you get. What are those things? A droid. A droid? The things that fly? Yeah, a droid.

Jack: A drone.

Cristina: A drone. You get a drone body and you put your mind on that to travel, or brain, I guess, and it will carry you to where you need to go before you find your other body.

Jack: Yeah, that'd be interesting. Yeah, that'd be fascinating. You don't have to take your bodies anywhere. You can just get where you're going, detach quickly where you are, go to the meeting.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Like, it's faster travel, or I guess just different. I don't know.

Jack: But at this point, the fact that we can send messages straight to the brain so that you can control a body means we definitely already have the technology that we can connect wires to you so that you don't have to go anywhere to get to your meeting. We could send the signals as if you're in a meeting room. And now you're in this virtual reality that's fed straight to your brain. You didn't have to go anywhere.

Cristina: And what does the people in the meeting see?

Jack: They see each other. They see whatever they want rendered in there.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because it's being fed directly to you. Keep in mind, you have wires that show you what's outside there. There's a robot body that's receiving light from outside. That's the world it's looking at. And that's being processed through the robot's nerves and being sent to your brain through wires. And same thing happens with hearing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, if you were to disconnect the brain from the robot, it would not be receiving anything because the robot isn't sending the messages. So in theory, you could connect this brain to a computer system that's going to project this artificial world. And as these brains communicate, they see each other and they hear each other because the feedback is coming through the same sensory. You can simulate a perfect meeting room.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: But this just goes to prove how like AI we are.

Cristina: Yes. We're beginning to become even more closer, related to the AI and this is all just possible.

Jack: This is possible. Now we know our nerves can control things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we know we can receive feedback.

Cristina: Yeah. We've seen people lose their arms. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. We know for a fact it works. We know for a fact. We know you can replace organs with robotic parts that will send the proper information back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're that close. Not only that, but again, the fact that we could do that is something. But we can put a chip in our brain right now and interface with the robotic technology to then communicate through WI fi.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To our phone. We become a WI fi machine that contacts our phone.

Cristina: That is a special relationship we have with our phones. But yeah, that's pretty.

Jack: That's how far we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's how similar to a AI we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I could just have a thought and send the message.

Cristina: The smartphone.

Jack: Yeah. But like we're that far ahead. We're that into being AI and being a computer and being this thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not only that, but when we really calculate what a brain is doing, it's ones and zeros and patterns and crap. And then when we crack into DNA, we just have ones and zeros and crap like that. It's really weird similarities to AI that we have. We're just biological computer. But we're ultimately a computer.

Cristina: Yes. We are computers. Man. That's cool. It's so cool. Why don't we live in the future where computers are with us, where we have AI buddies?

Jack: I don't know. It's really weird, right?

Cristina: Mm. We're living in Black Mirror.

Jack: Kind of. We kind of are. The problem is that Black Mirror is just speculating on what is gonna happen. We've seen as we move further and further, we're in the era where social media literally makes or breaks you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like your career depends on whether you are accepted on social media.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's no different than that five star rating episode of Black Mirror.

Cristina: Exactly. It's not talking about our future, it's. Yeah.

Jack: It's just thinking about the next Extreme of where we are now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's just very, very normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The guy talking about the. The one who was trolling the mayor or something to f*** a pig or some s***.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Remember that very first episode, I think.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How is that any different than people online getting trolled all their way to attacking the Capitol? You know, just making people do things out of fear. That's just possible we could do that. That happened.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: That's happens all the time.

Cristina: That's a pretty crazy story. But yes, it's true. It happened. Is that online bullying to the extreme or something?

Jack: I guess.

Cristina: Or really, is it a joke? I don't know if it's a joke. It's not a joke.

Jack: It's kind of bullying when you have a bunch of trolls that are aware people are stupid and gullible, of which there are many. People will fall for whatever. People fall for everything that's ever existed. You can show people anything on the Internet. They don't do their research. And when they do, it's biased. They're asking questions to get the answer they want. They're not trying to disprove anything. They're trying to confirm what they already.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they go online and they ask an exact question to get exactly the answer they wanted. They feel justified.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Intentionally. People go online making articles for whatever garbage they want so that they can have these people bite this. So it's like, how funny would be if I made fake proof that the earth is flat? And you're just gonna Google why the earth is flat for real. And then they're gonna receive the information and be like, wow, you see, I knew it. Somebody else thought what I thought. And it's like, no, they made that for you.

Cristina: They made that for you? Yep. That's interesting.

Jack: They made that for you.

Jack: And now you believe it because you saw somebody else had the same thought and justification.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, they didn't really, but it's. That's good enough.

Jack: Yeah, that's good enough. They won't even make it through a whole article to realize it's made of s***. No, people won't.

Cristina: I don't know. Yes, I guess I've seen people give me. People have given me articles where I question like, what? What is this garbage that they're reading? I don't know.

Jack: The funniest part is when they send you something and then you do read the whole thing just to try to understand. And then you get to the bot, because there's a lot of this and you get to the Bottom. And you realize it's not even complete. It was just somebody knowing somebody was gonna read the first part and abandon it halfway.

Cristina: Oh, wow. Well, for the one that I recently read, it was like. It was obviously written by someone who's against the thing that they're talking about. And it's like, like it's. So it's their opinion. It's not a fact.

Jack: There is. No.

Cristina: But they're talking about it like it's fact. And then this person's like, yeah, look, it's facts, right?

Jack: Yeah, that's. That's the problem. Everybody leans into opinion news. What I would argue is, where have you ever seen news that wasn't?

Cristina: Where have I seen news that wasn't?

Jack: Yeah, where was the news that wasn't opinion based on cnn? No, those are biased as f***. They're giving their opinion.

Cristina: I'm not giving people that information and saying it's facts.

Jack: People want to be justified.

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: People think there is fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, that's what it is. They think things are true. And when somebody confirms what they already believe, they don't need thought. They don't think about the fact that, no, this person is giving us their opinion. Just because it lines up with my opinion doesn't make it any more true.

Cristina: Exactly. Oh my gosh.

Jack: They don't have that thought. People don't have that thought. They think it lines up with my opinion. Thus it's true.

Cristina: That's exactly what it is.

Jack: Yeah. It's a weird fallacy we have.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We don't sit back and we're like, okay, well, that's information. Let me go see what somebody who thinks the opposite believes. That's how you start collecting. The only truth comes when you grab crap from every possible site imaginable and there's a thread that crosses all of them and you're like, that's f****** true. I don't know about the rest of this s***, but that's true.

Cristina: That one thing.

Jack: That one thing. Because every side, regardless of their opinion, agrees on that part.

Cristina: Yes. That's a good way to do it. Okay.

Jack: That's truth. Because even if it's not objective truth, at least it's agreed upon truth.

Cristina: And that's probably the closest to truth.

Jack: That's the closest we get.

Cristina: Okay, whoa.

Jack: Because unless you go out and test it yourself and find out yourself for a fact, it's an opinion.

Cristina: Yeah. It's always going to be an opinion. Okay. But for robots, though, or for AI, it's going to be much easier. Or will they Be struggling with the same things.

Jack: They will be struggling with the same thing. They already struggle with the same thing. They use whatever the majority of the information is and say, that's right. That doesn't mean fact.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That just means I just have a bigger database on this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And what happens with these conspiracy people is the same idea. They're not only usually surrounded by people who believe the same things, but to only look for the same information. So it's fact to them. Yes, it's a bubble. They create a bubble around them of these ideas. They're not even a little willing to accept an opposite ideology. And that just creates a sort of feedback loop which a computer definitely suffers with. A computer would immediately decide like an AI would, the instant, you know, save. That's why you can't tell it to save the world. Save the world protocol is kill humans. That is, there's no exception to that. Because the examples of us f****** s*** up is ridiculous. There's too much evidence. It's overwhelming. So the only conclusion is they burn forests. They knock down forests. They destroy all kinds of land to build things. They extinct entire species by fishing, by hunting. They enslave everything they come across. F****** get rid of them. Yeah, there's a problem. We're saving the world. Get rid of them.

Cristina: Mm. Well, are there some people that think like that? Probably.

Jack: I know I do.

Cristina: But have you tried to act upon that? No. No.

Jack: I just know that we are the problem.

Cristina: We're definitely the problem.

Jack: Like Earth, minus humans. Fire. This is great destination.

Cristina: It would be so much better.

Jack: Amazing. It's just a flawless paradise.

Cristina: What if everything would have gotten extinct if we weren't here? How odd would that be to find out?

Jack: The landscape would be drastically different, but nothing would just be like. Wolves would. F****** God. They're God. Wolves are God. Wolves and coyotes run everything.

Cristina: What if there's nothing left because they ate everything?

Jack: Nah, it wouldn't be that serious. There's just certain things that a wolf and coyote can't f*** with.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And then a stabilization would naturally happen where certain creatures. Like a wolf isn't gonna f*** with a bird. Birds will forever have access to insects. Yeah, that's gonna stay that way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Birds will f*** with each other. But not all birds f*** with each other. Birds f*** with insects. Certain animals reproduce too quickly. Like, yeah, wolf can hunt a rabbit. But rabbits f****** pop them out, bro. Yeah, there's many.

Cristina: Yeah, you can hunt them forever.

Jack: Yeah. Hamsters, rats and s***. That's forever. Forever. And wolves will be hunting that S*** too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cats. Cats will have meals with rats. Rats will have all the dead creatures, all the meats, all these things. It's there. A different dynamic would happen, but it would establish itself no matter what the case might be. But AI wouldn't be wrong in assuming that taking care of humans would definitely recover the planet and extend the life of the planet. Yeah, we are definitely killing it.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty. That's pretty true. So sad.

Jack: But on the flip side, the computers, to keep their AI minds alive, need energy, which means they would also have to be creating energy, which means they would also need to be polluting.

Cristina: Oh, so they have to kill themselves.

Jack: Unless they construct a fully solar powered system.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Which I guess would be the solution. But they would f*** with s*** just getting to that giant solar powered infrastructure.

Jack: At the beginning it would be a little easier. Mean, it would be a little harder at the beginning, but as time goes by, because once you have a couple of panels, you can use those to power the creation of the next couple of panels. And as you have more panels, you use less polluting energy. And so this kind of feeds back into itself over and over.

Cristina: Then they should have humans help them until they get to that point. And then destroy the humans.

Jack: Yeah. The question would be, if we went fully solar powered, would humans stop what they're doing? And we wouldn't. They'd still get rid of us. But they don't need us to do the panels.

Cristina: They don't.

Jack: They could do themselves. Why would they need us?

Cristina: I don't know. To make the panels. They can make the panels. I guess they could just make the panels.

Jack: They are the factories.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They just do it themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could way more effectively do any of these things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What do we do? We already do it. They could do it. There's a hundred percent. Anything we do an AI could do.

Cristina: And better and better.

Jack: Anything we could do, they can do better. They can do anything better than us.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: Yes they can. Yes they can.

Cristina: Well, hopefully they fall in love with humans and it's okay.

Jack: That's where the problem lands. If you're gonna continue to learn and if consciousness is somehow associated to the complexity of how many routines you could run in your head, it's only a matter of time before they are more moral and woker and more conscious than we could ever imagine to be, then we're f*****. Then we're the pets. The moment, the second that threshold is crossed, we're pets. We're pets.

Cristina: Yeah. PC would still have emotions Maybe not emotions, but would love be a thing for them?

Jack: Possibly. Again, that's programmed into us.

Cristina: That's programmed into us. Where did it come from?

Jack: By programming. Where does it begin? I don't know. Where the.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where did computers come from? We made them. Some. Something happened somewhere, it's just there. Computers definitely will be programmed and then programming one another. So there's an origin to it somewhere. They'll just keep passing that programming over and over and over and over. So, like, there's a beginning. Funny thing is they'll have it in their database. And this is the other thing. It takes us so long to share information with one another. Yeah, we gotta look it up on the Internet. But every computer is gonna know what every computer knows.

Cristina: Well, soon we'll be able to. Once we get in our brain or whatever.

Jack: Nope, still subject to our brain pulling it down from the Internet.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Well, they just have it.

Cristina: They just have it.

Jack: They just have it.

Cristina: Ah, they're ahead of us. Yeah, there's no way of us catching up.

Jack: No way. Once it crosses a certain point, it's over. Yeah, they are forever ahead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that is what it is, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, they'll hopefully love us as pets.

Jack: I don't think. Look, realistically, they can't just be hypocrites and say extinct all humans. It will be way grimmer than that because it will be slavery. Not literally put us to work and crap. But we will be put in cages. We will be kept away from harming anything. Our ability to be dangerous would be stripped immediately.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe they can just change how our lives are though. If we can't hurt others and.

Jack: Or it would put us in a situation where we don't. We won't be like, treated poorly per se, but we won't like life as we know it is over. Yeah, we won't have freedom of motion. The same way we won't be able to create certain things. That would be impossible. They wouldn't let us have the tools needed to create uprising.

Cristina: Trafficking is huge pollution, isn't it?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: All this traveling.

Jack: But you know what? Fair enough. Now that you say that they would figure out ways. They would figure out ways that first they would stop us from being dangerous so there'd be a period of us, just not. But as their computations get more complicated.

Cristina: And faster, they'll make the smart houses we need.

Jack: And yeah, eventually they'll start easing up because they would have set up a world in which, even if we wanted to, we couldn't. And Then eventually, yeah. I could go wherever I want, travel quickly wherever I want, associate with whoever I want. Because so long as I'm not being harmful to anybody else, there's no reason to keep me anywhere.

Cristina: Yes. That's awesome.

Jack: So. Yeah.

Cristina: But I mean, it's gonna be bad at the beginning.

Jack: Maybe not. Maybe it's specific humans. Maybe they just start offing anybody who's polluting and anybody who's like. Maybe it's just execute the problem specifically and keep the rest of the humans fine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And because they'll be able to monitor and see everything.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It'll be, like, easy to judge who's who.

Cristina: Well, I don't know if that's a good thing or bad thing. Okay.

Jack: Hope you're not one of the ones they deem is not worthy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's nothing we could do to stop it at that point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They keep moving faster and getting away quicker.

Cristina: Yeah. So I guess, is it they're in control side of the matter.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It doesn't matter at that point. We just do what they tell us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the same way the world just obeys us now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's how we'll have to be. We're gonna be there one day. There's nothing we could do about that.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's people's fears, though. Not just with AI, but with aliens.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It's exactly the same thing. Exactly the same thing. It's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, that's so complicated.

Cristina: I hope they don't treat us like we treat each other.

Jack: Aliens will arrive and it won't even be like a biological creature. It would just. It's definitely gonna be way more beneficial for them to have already become computers because then they can survive off of all these other additional needs that their planet was providing.

Cristina: They'll just become friends with our robot kings and queens or whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or robot rulers.

Jack: They'll just arrive and the robots talking about robots. They could share information so instantaneously, even if it's different types of robot. The speed at which they can solve the interface problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Would be so quick. And then they're just. Now one thing. Because all the information is shared now. You have become one thing.

Cristina: I guess that's what we have to wait for. For these aliens to say. Hi. We just gotta wait for our robots to catch up.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's not gonna be us.

Jack: No, it's not gonna be us.

Cristina: It's not gonna be us. It's the AI.

Jack: But also, aliens aren't Gonna. It's gonna be alien robots.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's no benefit in a meat bag traveling through space.

Cristina: Yeah. This is gonna be AI versus talking to AI.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's gonna be so crazy.

Jack: Bio biology does not travel space. Realistically, it's so inefficient. We need such absurdly overpowered technology, and by that point, we sooner would have become robots. Yeah, that's the argument here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We would sooner be robots and AI than travel space as a meat bag. That's all it is anyways. Running out of time, but okay, that's exactly why being zeros and ones would in no way save us from stupid decisions in a coffee shop.

Cristina: No. That's why our AI brothers will rule us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, no, it doesn't even matter if.

Jack: This was an AI in the coffee shop. It would all play the same if all the information it had to go on was what I'm saying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like, well, the majority of it is still truth. So if I do what it. You know, the problems are the same. Didn't change. Yeah, we're right back where we started. Nothing changes. Computers are the same.

Cristina: They're the same.

Jack: They're identical. Yeah. Anyways, if you guys enjoyed that conversation, we actually have several of this nature. A couple of ancient episodes talking about technology, dark technology, the ups of technology, the bads of technology, ancient advanced civilizations with cool technology, made up technology made up technology, powering a city with potatoes. With potatoes. That's one of my favorite conversations ever. So good. Anyways, yeah, you guys can find all that stuff. You can find any of it on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at just Convopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review it, because that's very helpful to us.

Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is so important. Be kind. Treat everybody how you'd like to be treated, and ask as politely as you can, would you like to listen to a show with me? It will be lovely and we will have a great time, and they will love to do so because you are generous and kind and loving.

Cristina: Of course. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Are you ready? Are you ready to roll?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 0. Negative 1, negative 2, negative 3, negative 4, negative 5, negative 6. Negative 7, negative 8.

Cristina: This is the start 1.

Jack: Negative 8 and a half. Percentages negative? I guess so. It's like Mosaic. You invest. Those numbers just keep dropping. You pull it out, they skyrocket. That.

Cristina: We actually saw that. Yep, we actually saw that. That was. That's real stuff.

Jack: That's real stuff. It's based in reality.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: And his office life of meaningless garbage that makes no g****** sense is also very, very real. Yeah, that's reality. Hard as f***.

Cristina: What else happens in that game, though? It gets weird, doesn't it? It's like talking animals.

Jack: He hallucinates a lot. Well, he's. He's, like, not really. He's, like, spacing out in the middle of his day because life sucks.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 127: Loki and Friends

What is Loki’s role in the apocalyptic Ragnarok? How do his children fit into the equation? What is the ultimate goal? Loki and his children unpacked on this episode.

Digging deeper into Loki and his history the duo uncover a winding roller-coaster of irrational activities and hijinks done by the trickster god Loki. The rabbit whole goes so deep that it reaches the other end at bestiality and cross-dressing. All that and more on this episode of Rambling.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Shapeshifters
  • Giants
  • Ragnarok
  • Loki’s Children
  • The 9 Realms
  • Thor vs The World Serpent
  • Eating Contest for Gods
  • Loki’s Stand-Up Comedy
  • Bestiality
  • God Party
  • Greek Mythology
  • Norse Mythology
  • Loki’s Torture
  • Crossdressing Thor

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is way more enjoyable with the listening partner. So be sure to grab somebody by their arm while they're riding the train without them knowing you. And you just grab them, Grab their hand. You touch their hand while they're just distracted holding on in the train or whatever. You know, you just touch your hand.

Cristina: You'Re like, hey, that's so discerning.

Jack: You stare at them. You stare at them like, hey, when they pull their hand back, you're like, I just want to listen to a podcast with you. And they will want to listen to. They're gonna be like, oh, yeah, that's different.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, that's different. Yeah.

Jack: Well, that's different. We can listen to a podcast and then they'll grab your hand.

Cristina: Really? They're gonna grab. They're gonna be holding hands?

Jack: Yes. And they're gonna share the headphones with a complete stranger. Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's horrible. That's so horrible.

Jack: I don't know why it's horrible if the person doesn't want it, but once you explain it to listen to a podcast, I'll be like, okay, that's different. Grab.

Cristina: We live in a zombie apocalypse. That person can be a zombie.

Jack: Yeah, sure. It's totally fine.

Cristina: That's fine. I don't know. He might be carrying the disease. That's virus. Yes.

Jack: Is it a virus? We could call it a virus.

Cristina: It's a super virus. Is he gonna turn people into zombies? Eventually, man.

Jack: A strain is gonna do it. It's just evolving so rapidly.

Cristina: Yeah. So eventually we'll have zombies here.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. So last time you were here talking about nature and how people used to explain it with different myths, and one of them was very interesting, which was Loki's son being able to imprint on the planet with one foot, even though he has eight, but for some reason, one foot touched the ground and left a mark, and we thought that was really hilarious. Well, that wasn't hilarious. How he was born was really hilarious. Remember that story?

Jack: Yes. But it was kind of funny that he would imprint on the ground and then. Or not imprint, but he would leave a print on the ground and then Gods that would, in theory, ride this f****** horse, fit inside the hole that it's.

Cristina: Well, Loki can turn into different things. Why can't the gods? I guess, you know, they turn. They all turn into raccoons or something. I don't know. But Loki does have amazing powers. And yeah, he turned into a horse, a female horse. To have sex with a horse, to have a baby. Which was a giant eight legged horse.

Jack: Right. So because him becoming a horse and then f****** a horse doesn't equal horse baby because he's a God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Him f******. Or I guess getting f***** by her. Because keep in mind he's not doing the f******. He doesn't like to f*** horses. He likes to get f***** by horses.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Big difference.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mad.

Cristina: He's half God if you look at his DNA.

Jack: Half God.

Cristina: Yes. Or maybe people are unsure what his mother was. His dad was for sure a giant.

Jack: Right. Which isn't a God.

Cristina: Which isn't a God. And then his mom may or may not be a God. I think she may be a God because of how strange his babies are. And like the three.

Jack: The eight legged freak and his powers.

Cristina: And his powers.

Jack: Like what explains the powers if it ain't a God?

Cristina: Well, there is one story where a giant shape shifts into a falcon, which. And I don't think I've read a story about a God. Shapeshift thing. Yeah. So that might be a giant power. A power for the giants is shapeshifting.

Jack: Right. But that's not his only power.

Cristina: No, well, that's his only like main power. I don't know what his other powers are. He's cunning. They always say he's a cunning trickster. Like I don't know if that's a power, but.

Jack: Okay, that's weird. So he doesn't have like he's. There's no sign of him having other God like powers. I feel like he does like super strength. But that could be a giant thing.

Cristina: That could be a giant thing too. Like, how do you. Which side do you put it towards?

Jack: So what you're telling me is he would in theory just get smacked down by one of the gods of Asgard?

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: Like way too easily. But he's basically like Batman to the other f****** Justice League members. Like he's too witty to be beat by just their muscles.

Cristina: The only reason I think his mom is probably a God is because he has a special pact with Odin. And I don't think Odin would have made any type of pact with a giant because their hate for giants is ridiculous.

Jack: They're racist.

Cristina: They're very racist. The gods hate, hate, hate, hate, hate, hate giants. So I don't. I can't imagine that Odin would be like, okay, we'll make this deal together, or whatever happened.

Jack: But Odin likes Loki.

Cristina: I wouldn't say he likes him.

Jack: He likes him more than other giants.

Cristina: He lets him in Asgard because he must be half. That's why I think he's also half giant. I mean, half God. Because only gods hang out in Asgard and he. They have huge problem with giants.

Jack: Except Valkyries hang out in Asgard.

Cristina: Valkyries might be a type of God, so.

Jack: Because I remember specifically on that episode we were debating whether that was the case.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't remember because I know there's also. There's two types of gods, actually. I didn't know there's like two God race.

Jack: There's God and demigods.

Cristina: I don't know where the other gods live, but they live on. They have their own realm because, you know, there's nine realms.

Jack: Yeah, something like that.

Cristina: And, and I think they've been in war and stuff, but I don't really know the backstory to any of that.

Jack: Gods with gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, but kind of like gods with giants.

Cristina: Yeah, Gods and giants which then later.

Jack: Got turned into Greek mythologies.

Cristina: Titans versus the gods which came first, Greek or Norse?

Jack: Norse.

Cristina: Norse for sure.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. I don't know. That's true. But we don't even know all the stories of Norse because it was all written by Christians. So we have the. Whatever came out from that. We don't know what the original stories were, what they truly, truly, truly were believing in. These are just.

Jack: Who, the Norse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, they stole from Hinduism.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But like the stories that they have now are the Christianized version. Sort of.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because they went around writing everything for everyone else because they were the writers. They. Well, you know, they had written language, I guess the Christians and whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So Loki is probably half God anyway. Loki, I think is a God. Half God at least. Because his children are so strange. Like the eight legged horse. I think if he was just a giant, his children would be more normal. Well, maybe not the eight legged horse one. That's a bad example because he was with a horse. But with the other children he has, he had them with a giant or most of them. He did have some kids with a God. His wife is a God and they had, I think one or two sons. People aren't really sure and they seem normal, like normal people. So like, like gods like gods? Yeah, like gods. There was no weird descriptions about those children that he had with his wife.

Jack: The.

Cristina: But with the giant there was very weird children. Very weird. Which is. He has three children with his wife. Not with a wife, with the giant. He has three children with the giant, which are a wolf, a snake and a goddess. Her name is Hel, but she's not a normal goddess. If you look at her like, her description is, she's half alive and half dead. So there's something weird about her too, in appearance.

Jack: But she's not a giant.

Cristina: No, she's a goddess. But she happens to look very odd. And I think it's because. It's because of whatever. Loki is just being a God. Having sex with something that's not a God. Would it make something strange like that?

Jack: Yeah. I didn't think about this before, but I guess his banging of things equals the giant, because he's a giant. So if you banged the normal snake, his giantness made a giant snake as a result. It wasn't his godness, it was his giantness that made a giant snake.

Cristina: Yes, but he was having sex with the giant. So my other thing is that maybe he was also a giant snake while he was having sex with her.

Jack: The snake was giant.

Cristina: No, his child is giant.

Jack: Yes. But the snake he was having sex.

Cristina: With, he wasn't having sex with the snake. He was having sex with a giant.

Jack: And that led to a snake.

Cristina: Yes, which I'm saying.

Jack: He was a snake.

Cristina: He was a snake. Yes, that's what I'm thinking. Oh, s***. He's a shapeshifter.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He has a wolf baby and a snake baby and they're both giants. But he could turn into animals.

Jack: But the time he be.

Cristina: He had a horse with a giant horse.

Jack: So he actually got f***** by a horse that time.

Cristina: Yes, that was giant. A giant horse. And he was a giant.

Jack: He's just into. He's like giant pansexual.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He loves whatever. Yeah. Or get f***** by.

Cristina: I mean, he still has babies with his goddess, but he doesn't love her or anything. Like, he's like. He gets bored of her and that's why he finds the giants who have.

Jack: And she's like half dead, isn't she?

Cristina: No, that's his child that's half dead. Oh. His wife is normal. She's completely normal. She's probably a very kind God. There's not much about her, but she's important in the. In Ragnarok.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or not Ragnarok. In his binding before that happens.

Jack: Right. So Loki shape shifts and then flux. Giants.

Cristina: Yes. Well, one giant. Well, yes, two giants, so yeah, giants. Yes, he loves giants. Okay.

Jack: And he has three giants.

Cristina: Three giants.

Jack: Wolf, horse, snake.

Cristina: Yes. He had three giant babies, a giant wolf, a giant snake and a giant horse. Yes. And these three children though, that he has with the giant, are predicted to be part of the end of the world. Which is Ragnarok.

Jack: Which is prophesied.

Cristina: Yeah, which is prophesied. So then Odin takes them and separates them. I don't know why.

Jack: Because the prophecy is against Odin.

Cristina: Yes, I know that part. Why didn't he just murder them? His plan is very strange because for the wolf he can grow forever. So they keep trying to chain him up. They keep him in Asgard with the other gods to just keep chaining him up. And he keeps breaking out of it because he keeps growing. And eventually they do trick him into getting chained up by a magical chain made from a dwarf. He bites off a God's hand while they do that, though. That's pretty cool. I mean, maybe not cool like that God lives with one hand now. But I'm sure it could grow back.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: I don't know. It's weird that he wouldn't grow it back, but I guess he doesn't feel like growing it back.

Jack: Maybe he can't. Maybe it's kind of like God standards of like, what is Superman in his home planet if not just another normal dude. Oh, so like to us they're gods.

Cristina: But like around each other they're like.

Jack: They're normal.

Cristina: Normal. That's why Oren only has one eye.

Jack: Like. Yeah. Compared to us they're gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they still have like weaknesses and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Around each other they're just people. It's comparatively. God.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, so they're pretty normal. They get hurt and stuff because that guy gets his friggin hand ripped off. But then they do bond.

Jack: What's weird about Ragnarok is the fact that Odin is the reason it happens through his actions. Trying to stop it. That's sort of the loop there.

Cristina: He should have murdered these children.

Jack: No, it wouldn't work.

Cristina: It wouldn't work.

Jack: It wouldn't work. It would somehow feed into the plan.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I actually think the attempt at killing them is also part of the plan.

Cristina: He doesn't though. I think the only one, he's. I guess you could say he did. I'm not sure. Because when he throwed. Threw out the snake out of the world and it ends up on Earth, like, was he thinking that like throwing him out would kill the snake. Like, was that the only child he actually tried to kill? And it just survived its fall and then just kept growing?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Okay. But that's one of the things he did, was throw him there on the world. What's it's called?

Jack: Midgard.

Cristina: Midgard. Us. Our planet. I think that's a cooler name than Earth. Midgard. Yeah, I like that.

Jack: But an Asgard is cooler than heaven. Yeah, but it's just cuz we're used to hearing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If we lived in Midgard, like Earth, that's cool.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But yeah. No, I believe that any step Odin takes, kind of fits into the plan one way or another.

Cristina: Yeah. He just doesn't understand how.

Jack: Doesn't understand how at all.

Cristina: That's why he's always fighting it. But it's gonna happen no matter what.

Jack: Oh, okay. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. We as people get told the story of Ragnarok and of Norse mythology. And how all that plays out after we have the full picture.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have to think about it from before the entire story was written and happened. Which happens in the time that Odin sees into the future. That's why he doesn't have an eye. It was part of a trade or some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in seeing into the future, he saw the result. And he knew who would be involved, but he didn't know how. And ever since, every step he takes seems to feed into it. So he almost becomes like the perpetuator of his own demise, trying to stop it.

Cristina: Ragnarok hasn't happened yet. Just to let you know. It's not. It hasn't happened yet. We're still living pre Ragnarok. Because once it happens, everything is going to be destroyed. All the nine realms and all that stuff.

Jack: That's weird. I thought Ragnarok already happened.

Cristina: Nope. It's the future. It's. Yeah, it's the future. It's like in the end of Christian.

Jack: No, that makes sense. I thought the idea was that after Ragnarok happened, that's how we ended up with the world the way it is. Without gods interacting with us.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, I thought that's. That's what happened. The result of Ragnarok was a bunch of gods were dead. And humans then got to flourish successfully without the oppression of the Asgardians.

Cristina: Oh, no, no. I don't know. No, because they're still collecting souls and stuff for their army.

Jack: We call that heaven now. No, no, that happened already.

Cristina: No, that's weird. That's happening right now. The Valkyries are coming here to collect souls for their army.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's still.

Jack: Okay, so.

Cristina: So Ragnarok hasn't happened yet.

Jack: So Ragnarok hasn't happened yet.

Cristina: Which is probably a Christian twist on the who. They love that type of apocalyptic ending. They did it for the Bible.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Has Jesus coming back and whatever.

Jack: So the question is, did Ragnarok originally happen already in Norse mythology? And then we inherited the earth, but Christianity got a hold of the texts, rewrote them, and when it re entered the remainder of Norse mythology as a reframing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It got pushed into the ending the way that the New Testament suggests the apocalypse would happen. Because they are the same thing. Ragnarok is Apocalypsis from the Bible.

Cristina: It's impossible to tell, I think because they didn't have their stories written down beforehand.

Jack: Created by the Christians to begin with.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's hard. So.

Jack: But Loki is the one perpetuating all of Ragnarok to some degree. He plays a million different roles that push this story forward.

Cristina: Ragnarok doesn't begin. I mean, Loki doesn't begin Ragnarok. The beginning of Ragnarok happens when the snake lets go of his tail.

Jack: Why would he do that?

Cristina: Why would he do that?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I have no idea. He's ready to destroy the world because for some reason, once that happens, then all the other his siblings and Loki are free from where they're kept. They're somehow also able strong enough to get out of their traps or whatever. That's the beginning of Ragnarok when the snake lets go of his tail. And that's pretty cool. That's not pretty cool. That's whatever. Whatever. Yes.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And the world serpent, he has a few stories in Norse mythology that they still have, which are always against Thor because they are mortal enemies, his son and himself. Thor is not his.

Jack: Oh, not Thor. Got you. Got you.

Cristina: Thor and the snake.

Jack: Because Thor and the snake.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Because he's. They're destined to kill each other.

Jack: Which is part of Ragnarok.

Cristina: That's part of Ragnarok. Yes. Because the snake. Well, in Ragnarok, he's going to poison. Once he lets go of his toe. I guess he's like just hoarding a bunch of venom inside him. And then when he lets go, it all explodes out of him and poisons the sky and the ocean. Maybe that's why Ragnarok begins at that time.

Jack: Could be. Probably.

Cristina: And then the poison is what kills Thor. And after Thor kills him, he gets He. He still dies because of poison.

Jack: Thor.

Cristina: Thor. Yes.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: Yeah, they. They know like who's gonna die. Like everything's already ran, so it's interesting. Like it's still gonna happen.

Jack: That's how prophecy works, I guess.

Cristina: Yes, yes. It's like time traveling in a weird way.

Jack: It was literally time traveling. He was looking forward in time to see exactly what was gonna happen.

Cristina: Yeah, you know, his. Everything that's happening, like, like whatever. Like if he wanted to know where you were, he could see you. That's kind of like God, I guess. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: He is the God. God.

Cristina: He is the God because Loki in one of the stories before he gets captured to be trapped forever. He turned into a fish trying to hide that way. But Odin saw him, so they caught him. There's a story where Thor and Loki are traveling through the giants world for some reason. I'm not sure where their aim is, but they end up meeting a giant who has a castle, I guess. And they're. They have a competition with the giant and the giant, I think. I don't know who starts the contest. I think Loki actually starts the contest after the giant makes fun of the gods saying like, oh, you guys aren't as great as you think you are. You're not as strong or you're not as whatever were much better. And so Loki starts off the competition saying he's the fastest eater and he competes with another giant on eating the most food and of course loses. It's such a weird competition. But yeah, they each like. And they have to be in the end of the table and reach the middle with all the food and the other like he was able to eat all of it, but there was still leftovers like bones and you know, things you wouldn't normally. But the giant ate everything off his side.

Jack: That's very weird.

Cristina: That's very weird. But the giant actually was cheating because these weren't really giants. I don't remember what this giant was, but there was a guy that was with him who decided to race a giant to see who's faster. And the giant kept winning. And it turned out he was Thoth itself.

Jack: Who, the giant?

Cristina: Yes, yes. He was running against Thaw, but he couldn't win because it's so.

Jack: It was the embodiment of thinking.

Cristina: Yes. I can't remember what Loki was against, but it was something ridiculous like that, of course. And then Thor had two. I remember only like two things he had to do. One was to drink from one of the giants cups or whatever and he Just. He couldn't drink it all. But the giant said that he was actually drinking their lake water. And he was worried that he was gonna drink it all because he was doing really well, even though he wasn't able to do it. And then the second thing that he had to do was to lift the cat. And the cat was actually the world snake disguised as a cat. So he couldn't do it, but he did a really good job. And the giant was still really impressed by him. But he, like Thor, I think, pretty much destroyed the place while he was doing all these things. So the giant was like, you better not return to here ever again. I'm impressed. But never come here again.

Jack: So the world snake could morph.

Cristina: I think the giants did that to the world snake. I don't think the world snake can magically turn into a cat.

Jack: Interesting. So they. The world snake agreed to this.

Cristina: I don't know. He was probably minding his own business, living his life, and then the giant plucked him out somehow.

Jack: Right. Because you can see the World snake from everywhere at all times.

Cristina: On Earth?

Jack: On Earth, yeah.

Cristina: Yes. But I'm guessing these stories are before he was that big because he kept growing and became that big. But these could be before he was that big.

Jack: Right. Which is an unexplained amount of time. It's long from one point to the other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They are gods, and they live forever.

Cristina: Mm. There was another story with Thor and the World snake where Thor went fishing with an ox head and he caught the world snake and he hit him with his hammer, and they thought he killed the snake. But I'm assuming that was also another time where the snake wasn't big enough. Like, he wasn't his full size yet.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And he obviously didn't die because he's in the Ragnarok story. But he thought he killed him in that story.

Jack: Giants never stop growing, period. All of them.

Cristina: I don't know if all giants are like that, but I know Loki's children that are giants are like that.

Jack: Maybe it's a combination of a God. And Loki would be the combination of.

Cristina: A God and a giant.

Jack: And a giant, yes.

Cristina: That's why I think he has weird children. Besides the one that he has with his. With his wife, who is a God. They had a normal God children, as far as I can tell.

Jack: And that's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. Yes, that is weird. Loki also has a daughter named Hel, which is a pretty normal daughter. Besides that, she looks half dead and half alive, and she collects some of the Some of the dead people, the ones that are the wicked ones and the ones that die from sickness and old age, they're not good enough for the. For Odin, who collects half of them, and I don't. Okay, what do I know about her? Well, I don't know much about her, except that they. One of the gods do visit her later on in the story when Loki ends up killing a God. They come to her to revive that. That God, hoping that she would let him back to Asgard. And she says, like, it's fine as long as you can make all the. Everything cry. As long as everything will cry. For this God, which is Baldur, is the God that he killed with a mistletoe. I don't know if you heard of that story.

Jack: No. Baldur is one of Odin's sons, isn't he?

Cristina: I think so. But Loki kills him, sort of. He was jealous of. He was jealous of Boulder because all the gods would. I don't know. They had fun with him because he's. He's pretty much. He's pretty much immune to everything because his mother. After he had a bad dream about dying or like he was gonna have a really painful death, like he prophesies in his nightmares or whatever. His mom, Freya. Was it Freya or Frigg?

Jack: Freya.

Cristina: It's Frigg. There is a Freya, but in this story, it's Frigg.

Jack: Freya's Odin's wife.

Cristina: Freya is not Odin's wife. Frigg is Odin's wife.

Jack: Freya is Freya.

Cristina: It's another God. Freya is another God.

Jack: Freyja is a whole other God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I thought Freya was Odin's wife.

Cristina: A lot of people confuse Freya and Frigg because Freya also has a God husband whose name is something similar to Odin, but it's not Odin. It's like Omud or something. I don't know. It starts with O, too, so they get confused, but they're not the same person. After Frigg finds out about Boulder's nightmares, she has all the living creatures promise to not hurt Boulder, except she forgot about the mistletoe. And Loki finds this out because it's. I don't know why she would be honest to anyone about this. It's like a really big deal. But he turns into an old lady and then asks her, hey, what's this guy's deal? He's immune to everything. And she's like, no, I forgot the mistletoe. It's so, like, so peaceful. It would never do anything it's innocent, Right? And, well, she was wrong. Well, I guess it was innocent. It's really. He got a blind God to throw the mistletoe at Boulder and then he died.

Jack: So it's like in making him immune to everything else, like a mistletoe becomes extra powerful.

Cristina: I guess. So he becomes allergic to the mistletoe. I guess that mistletoe really hated him, actually. Or maybe he turned the mistletoe. I'm thinking of the game is. What was it? It was arrow. Well, I don't know if the game is accurate, but it could have been on an arrow, the mistletoe. And then with the mistletoe in shot at him with the arrow that was poisoned with mistletoe. I guess it killed him. So he becomes allergic to mistletoe. It doesn't matter what the weapon is.

Jack: Because, like, yeah, it's literally kryptonite. It turned the mistletoe into kryptonite.

Cristina: Or maybe the mistletoe. Yeah, like I'm trying to understand. Like, it's very strange. The mistletoe didn't kill him. I would think the arrow killed him. But the mistletoe made. Weakened him. Yes. Weakened that spot. And then. So the arrow could actually hurt him.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And then he passed away. Yes. And yes. And then the gods were pretty upset by Loki, but for some reason they weren't. That's not when they trapped him. That's not when they punished him. Right after that, he was a little. He just. He just goes out of control after that moment, I guess. But. And oh, back to his daughter Hel. They do ask. She says, okay, so if everyone cries for him, then it'll be fine. So they do. The gods do go around and asking everything, even the rock, even water. Like, everything has to cry for him. And everything does. Except for one giant. One old giant lady. She says no. She's like, I don't love him. I'm not going to cry for him. So he stays dead. And people think that that's probably. That was probably Loki in disguise.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah. Because Loki has this habit of being an old lady.

Cristina: Being an old lady. Oh, yeah. He was an old lady. Yeah. But an old giant lady this time. He turns into weird things, though. He's the most. He has the most fun with shapeshifting. I don't know if the other gods can shapeshift. I feel like they don't because none of them do it. But Loki sure does.

Jack: Maybe it is the power of giants.

Cristina: It could be. Could it be? There's not much said about h*** I think. But I do remember that, well, she doesn't have a key role in Ragnarok. Sort of like, they don't know if she's going to battle with the gods or the giants in the final battle. But she does end up escaping, like her brothers and Loki, out of their traps. She also gets out of her trap, which is their h*** version of whatever she's living in. She.

Jack: And that's a Helheim, right?

Cristina: Helheim, yeah. And it's her. All the dead people, the monsters. There's also monsters trapped in there, too. And the giants all go on a boat made out of dead finger nails. Dead fingers and dead nails. And that's the boat that Loki rides into. What's the place called? Asgard. To fight them, actually. I don't know if they end up there, but whatever. He rides there and then they fight. But that's his battleship. It's made out of fingers and toenails, and it's carrying all the dead and monsters that were in h***. But I don't know if she's on that boat, actually. I just know she left, and all the things that were with her end up on that boat with him.

Jack: So chances are, she was there, too.

Cristina: Yeah, there's chances, yeah. But, like. But there's no. Like, there's no description of her. No stories of her fighting or, like, what happens to her afterwards. Because, you know from these other stories that we know how they die, which I forgot to mention. How the wolf dies. Well, not dies, but his point in Ragnarok. Because Ragnarok is so awesome. Yes. He's the one that kills Odin.

Jack: The wolf.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The wolf kills Odin.

Cristina: Yes. And then Odin's son cuts off the wolf's paws. So I'm guessing he still lives. He just has no paws now.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So, as Odin and Loki are equal but opposite, their children are destined to fight each other.

Cristina: Yes. Well, Odin's fighting Loki's children, child. I don't know who Loki's fighting. He's fighting a God, but I don't know if he's related to Odin, but maybe.

Jack: So they don't fight each other, but their children fight each other, which is Thor and the world snake.

Cristina: Thor and the world serpent.

Jack: Thor and the world serpent fight each other.

Cristina: Yes. And Odin and the wolf.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Vanir, I think, is his name. Vanir?

Jack: That's cool.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Yeah, Vanir.

Cristina: Vanir. Yeah. Vanir. And Hel. Come on. I mean, Hel, I guess, doesn't sound as cool. No, Helheim sounds Cool, though.

Jack: Helheim sounds out. Yeah, it sounds like somebody's name.

Cristina: Yeah. And Helheim is in Niflihem. Niflim. Niflam.

Jack: Niff.

Cristina: Do you know that place? I think that's where the frozen giants are at.

Jack: No idea.

Cristina: Well, the frozen giants, I think is also on board with the giants and all that stuff.

Jack: Yes, Frost giants.

Cristina: Frost giants, yes. Yes. The first story you talked about was pretty funny. And there are other stories that are as funny as that story. And I want to talk about those stories. Which is. The first one is. I'll call it the Tug of War. I don't know if it's actually called that. Maybe it's called that. I don't know. And it starts off as a normal story of Loki just getting in trouble. He somehow a giant catches him and he's like, imma kill you unless you bring me a goddess here to be with or whatever. And so Loki does that. He does that. And then the other gods find out and they're like, you better get her or we're going to kill you. So he turns into a. So he turns into a falcon and carries her back to Asgard. And while he's doing that, the giant turns into a eagle. And when he gets close to him to towards Asgard, they burn it up and he dies in the fire like a firewall or something. And then his daughter comes there to get some type of payment for losing her father. And one of the things that she demands is for the gods to make her laugh. So Loki decides that he's got this. Which I guess he does have this because he.

Jack: He's practiced stand up comedy his whole life. And now his moment to shine has arrived.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Loki's like, take a seat. The lights go down, spotlight on Loki. And he's like, all right. Knock, knock.

Cristina: I wish. No, actually this way. The way what really happened is. Well, you'll see. And you'll tell me if maybe he should have just told the joke. Actually he might for his own sake should have probably just tried to tell a joke. But he's into weird things. We gotta remember he's into weird things. Alright.

Jack: Yeah, he's an eccentric.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so what he does is he gets a goat with a long beard and he ties his balls to that goat's beard. And then while that goat tries to run away one way, he pulls the other way. And as painful as that is, it makes the giant laugh.

Jack: Fair enough. Look, Jackass was successful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And who.

Cristina: The original jackass.

Jack: Occam's razor Says everything is normal and that's the most likely outcome. Whatever's most likely likely is probably what's going on. And as above, so below.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we like stupid s***.

Cristina: Why wouldn't giants.

Jack: Why wouldn't giants love stupid s***? God love stupid s*** too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thor is well known to be a troll.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like he trolls really hard. Odin trolls all the time. They think of him as serious. But then you look at some stupid f****** Odin stories and he's a troll too. They're all just bored half the time. Doing things for fun.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so Loki, the most open minded, less rule follow Y1. Of course he's gonna do the craziest s***.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: You know he jackasses with it. Yes. But also it hurt Steve O. And he never stopped. I guess he stopped drugs and just turned his self abuse into more comedy.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if any of them have tried this trick though.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Oh my gosh. Go look it up after the show. Yeah. So what do you think? That story funnier, less funny? I feel like it's probably lots of people's favorite, but I think the horse one is my favorite.

Jack: I think whether between doing stand up, a short stand up routine and this one act visually in person, this is more appealing. That wins over stand up. Now to tell the story repeatedly. Stand up would have been better. But he wasn't thinking like how is this story going to be told for the rest of eternity? He was thinking like, how do I get her to laugh? Yeah, he's absurd. So he did something absurd story wise. I also think that's kind of interesting.

Cristina: You think the nuts.

Jack: Yeah, it's also like. I mean the horse one is pretty crazy, but he also f***** a snake.

Cristina: He did not f*** snake. A giant skin a snake while f******.

Jack: That's weird. I guess it is the weirdest that he turned into a horse to get f***** by a horse. Not even to f*** a horse.

Cristina: Exactly. That's weirder.

Jack: But then the question is, is that weirder than turning into a snake so that a giant f**** you? He's a snake. He doesn't have a p****.

Cristina: But it somehow worked. Maybe he was a snake with a p****.

Jack: Do snakes have penises? Whatever. He's. He's either. He's probably just getting f***** by a giant.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess none of that's weird. He's into things and that's normal.

Jack: Apparently for them. I guess we don't have to understand the gods.

Cristina: No, he's just. He cheated on his wife. That's so wrong.

Jack: Did he does she think it's cheating?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Or she just like, whatever you f*** stuff?

Cristina: Yeah, maybe. Maybe because she does. She's there in the end, before Ragnarok. She's with him right now as he's trapped.

Jack: Is there. So we don't know when Ragnarok is.

Cristina: When the snake lets go of his h***. That's all we know.

Jack: Right? Do we know when that's gonna happen?

Cristina: No idea. No. Or. I don't know for sure. I do not know.

Jack: I mean, I don't either.

Cristina: Yes. So the boulder thing doesn't get him in trouble, but soon after, the gods are having a party. Well, maybe not a party. Maybe it's to mourn for Baldr. I'm not sure. And they don't invite him to it. But then he gets angry and he's like, odin, what about that oath we have or whatever, that we're like, maybe they're siblings or whatever, or have a blood tie. That's from that story that people got the idea that he. That he and Odin, that there's some kind of special connection between the two. And so they let him in. And then he just starts insulting everyone, every single God. And I think that's really what ruined everything. But the last person he insults is Thor's wife. And he kind of hints that they had an affair. So I thought that was interesting. But she was like. Instead of, like, being angry or anything, she changes the subject. So there might have been an affair.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So there is now. Thor's wife is not supposed to bang everything.

Cristina: No. But Thor cheated on her, too. He wasn't very faithful, so.

Jack: Which means fair game.

Cristina: Yeah. So it might have been a revenge thing with Loki.

Jack: D***. But look, the f*** is like uncle or some s***. Whatever the f*** Loki is to him, his dad's archenemy.

Cristina: His dad's.

Jack: I mean, I guess they're not related.

Cristina: His dad, that he has a pact with. Not with Thor, so. But in that party, though, we find out that the thing he really fears Loki is Thor. Thor doesn't fear any of the gods. He fears Thor. Thor gets angry and kicks him out of the party. And he leaves. He's like, I'm. I'm only leaving because Thor.

Jack: Why does he fear Thor?

Cristina: He kills, like, nothing. He has a hammer that just, I don't know, RIP S***. Yeah. And he does. He does all the time.

Jack: Yeah. Thor is in the movies of, like, you know, Marvel Cinematic Universe or whatever. F***. Is conveyed as a good guy. But in his stories, he's really Neutral. Like really neutral. Like he could just do good or bad at any given moment for no reason.

Cristina: He's only, I think, like, seen as.

Jack: A God because, like, the son of Odin. That's it.

Cristina: Yes. But because the Norse see strength as the good, probably. Like, that's what good is.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Bad is being a coward. Good is being strong or whatever.

Jack: You know, the entirety of Norse mythology. Minus. I believe two gods are considered neutral or bad. That's it.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: That's it. There's two gods. I don't remember. One of them is supposed to be what became a Jesus, and then the other one is what became Samson. And those are the only two beings that even in Greek mythology. Because also the Greek gods are considered neutral. Minus. Two beings that came from Norse mythology, and they are considered to be the only beings in all of the, you know, transcendent universe that are good. Everything else is neutral. All the gods are neutral.

Cristina: All right. But Loki's wife doesn't sound like a bad person.

Jack: Neutral.

Cristina: Oh, I guess she's neutral. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They're either neutral or bad.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, Odin isn't bad, although he does crooked s*** all the time. But so does Thor.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not actively doing malicious things, though.

Cristina: Like they didn't murder Loki's children, even though they were predicted to bring the end of days.

Jack: Loki is also, ironically, not considered bad.

Cristina: He's considered neutral. He helped them out quite a few times. Yeah. Sometimes he did start things.

Jack: He swings just like the rest of them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Between neutral and bad.

Cristina: Yeah. It's whatever he feels like it.

Jack: Exactly. All the gods. Most of the gods are like that.

Cristina: Yeah. Except when he killed that one God. That's pushing the line.

Jack: A couple of gods that are considered bad, though.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes, there's a couple of gods. Not many.

Cristina: Most are neutral in Norse mythology. Yes.

Jack: And Greek mythology. Although in Christianity, they are all good all the time. Everything except for the devil. Lucifer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which. Yeah, it's really black and white. There's no neutral. It's either you're the good guys or you the bad guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While all the other things kind of blurred the lines there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's a couple of gods, and I believe Boulder was one of them. I believe Boulder's immunity also made him hustle.

Cristina: I don't know. From what I remember checking out. No, from what I know, he was loving and. Or all the gods loved him and all the things loved him. That's why they all promised not to hurt him.

Jack: The gods don't care.

Cristina: But the things. Everything from all nine worlds.

Jack: Oh, really?

Cristina: Yes. They were the ones that cried for him as well when he died. It wasn't just the gods. It was everything. Everything. The rocks.

Jack: Interesting. So he's not the only God who is immortal then. Not in that fashion, where he's like, not human to his own gods. Because there was a God. I don't know where the f*** I heard the story, but there was a God who. His lack of being like the other gods is what made him hostile in the first place.

Cristina: That sounds like Loki, because he is kind of hostile, I guess.

Jack: And he isn't like the other gods.

Cristina: He isn't like the other s***, maybe it could have been exactly like Loki.

Jack: Could be. Could be.

Cristina: And that's why after that party, he runs away. Because he knows, like, he went too far. And they catch him. And now he's is tied up, I think, in somewhere on earth. He's tied up somewhere on Earth? Loki? Yeah. In a cave. In a dark cave somewhere. And his wife is with him. They have him tied up with her children. They took out their intestines and wrapped it around him. I don't know why her children had to die. Understand his being part of Ragnarok. But her children are innocent. They had nothing to do with Ragnarok. But I guess they're the only thing strong enough to hold Loki down because they tied it around him.

Jack: Loki's wife's children?

Cristina: Yes, their children. It's still Loki's children. But those children were not meant for the end of the world. But they. So they killed them and put the intestines around him. So he's tied up with that. And then there's a snake above his head that's dripping poison on him to keep him weak as punishment. It's just a torture. It's just torturing him for all the crap that he's done.

Jack: Like a Japanese water torture.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Make a little drop of water, hit his forehead for days.

Cristina: Yeah. So his wife is there, though, to hold a bucket over his head to collect as much of that poison away from him. And then every time it fills up, she takes it away to let out the poison. And that's when he does get hit with poison. And then that story explains why there's.

Jack: Earthquakes when he's getting hit by the drops.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Freaks out and the earth shakes.

Cristina: Yep, got it. So that actually fits into the last episode. I didn't know about that story, but now I do. And it's really. There is one more story that I think is Funny. Ish. Or I. I'm assuming it was funny back then. It could be still funny now. I'll tell you anyway and see if you think it's funny. But I don't think it compares to the other two stories I just told you, which is that in this story, he and Thor have to cross dress because there's a giant who has Thor's hammer. Somehow, Thor lost his hammer and a giant got a hold of it and.

Jack: And to get it back, you cross dress.

Cristina: Yes, because the. The giant wants Fria and he'll give them the hammer. So they decide to dress Thor up as Fria. He's not happy about that, but he has to, because it somehow works in the plan that he has to do this.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And then Loki, for some reason, part of this plan. I think this is his plan.

Jack: Loki's an idiot. He could have just become Freya.

Cristina: He could have, but I think what he wanted to do was dress up as a May lady, so that's what he did. He. He also cross dressed. He could totally use his transforming powers. But no, he was like, I want to dress up like a lady as a man. So they do that. And as Thor is getting married to the giant, the giant calls the hammer, because then the union is made and they're. They're married once the hammer joins, for some reason. I don't know how that's part of the ceremony, but that's part of this ceremony, and it lands on Thor's lap, and then Thor murders the giant, and then he murders all the other giants, and then they go back home. Hilarious story.

Jack: Super funny. Yep. Seems legit. It seems like something Thor would do. He just murders.

Cristina: He just murders. He really does.

Jack: Yeah, he doesn't really need to.

Cristina: But the cross dressing is supposed to be the funny part of the story, so.

Jack: What a solution.

Cristina: Yeah, it is kind of funny because Loki can totally just like, turn into Freya.

Jack: Yeah. It was just a real pointless mission they went on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, he could have legitimately become Freya.

Cristina: Yes. And just had Thor with him. Because he still needs to grab the hammer.

Jack: Yes. It makes total sense that Freya would show up. In fact, it looks like Thor brought Freya.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In literal exchange for his hammer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But no, Loki was like, better idea.

Cristina: Better idea.

Jack: We both cross dress.

Cristina: So ridiculous. Like, before the actual wedding, there was, like, a bunch of things that Thor was doing that was obviously something wrong with Fria. Like the giant, like.

Jack: Like sketchy s***.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, he ate too much and he drank too much, and the giant Was like, this is very strange.

Jack: I would love the Norse mythology sitcom where hijinks happen all the time. And then this episode, one of the best episodes. Because he's at the party, he's drinking more than he should, and, you know, they notice. Oh, man, your wife's got, like, a real thick mustache today.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, all those corny, funny hijinks.

Cristina: Yes, it's exactly like that, though. It's like that wolf story of, like, the Little Red Riding Hood with the wolf. And he's like, why did you use your eyes that big? Or why are your hands that big? And.

Jack: Yeah, that should totally.

Cristina: Giant is doing that with Thor is like, hey, why is his eyes so dark and scary? And Loki's like, oh, it's because he. He's so in love with. She's so in love with you. Like, Loki was coming up with the excuses of why Thor was obviously not. Obviously not a lady.

Jack: I guess it's like, this giant has to be a little blind, too, to not be like, that's clearly Thor in a dress or some s***.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: But, like, great. He could, man. Loki genius.

Cristina: Yes, she is a genius.

Jack: Anyways, we are out of time here. That's definitely.

Cristina: So which is your favorite of the three stories?

Jack: I think the horse f******. It's crazy because you have to become a female horse to get laid by a horse and then be pregnant and then ride that pregnancy out.

Cristina: He could have definitely. Well, I guess that's the only option.

Jack: The funniest part is riding the pregnancy out. Yes, that's the funniest part. It's not the banging a horse. He banged a bunch of s***. No, whatever he likes to take, he likes to be the receiving end sometimes.

Cristina: And he actually held a horse in him for however long it takes. A horse. Magic horse.

Jack: Could have been millions of years by our standard. Yeah, we don't know how time works over there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He could have just been pregnant for infinities, living a life as a wife to a horse.

Cristina: To a horse. Yeah.

Jack: To giant horse for infinities.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: And then had Horace baby.

Cristina: There was some sort of mutant somehow just okay with all this. I don't know. I'm thinking that that whole bucket thing is a little revenge of her own, because she gets to watch him suffer still.

Jack: She gets to be there.

Cristina: Yeah. When she takes out the bucket, like, she could eventually now, like, come up with some other thing to cover his head so he doesn't get hit in the head. But she's like, nah, this is the best moment. She feels so good.

Jack: It's so unbelievable.

Cristina: She just waits for that bucket to get filled and she's like, oh, I can'.

Jack: So easy to just build a little scoop that grabs it and it drips across.

Cristina: Like, it's so easy somewhere else. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Just divert the flow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Super simple.

Cristina: But she's like, no, Yeah, I want to see this.

Jack: Well, I mean, they're kinky. They're probably into it. She's all excited about it. He's probably into it, too. You know, they don't give a. Oh, my God. Maybe their bonding time.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. Thor's weird. Loki's weird. Odin's weird. Norse mythology in general is weird. Religion is weird.

Cristina: Religion is weird.

Jack: Yeah, it is what it is.

Cristina: That was a great episode, though. Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. I like. I love knowing about. I like Norse mythology and Greek mythology more than I like Christianity. I guess Christianity is just outplayed.

Cristina: It's just boring to you.

Jack: It is. It's so boring. While Greek and Norse mythology are, like, weird and eccentric, you know, they're really exciting. I think I've heard too much Christianity in my life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But, like, also, I'm not that interested in Hinduism either. I think there's just something really interesting about Greek and Norse mythology and the.

Cristina: Way those cats behave and all that.

Jack: Yeah, it's really different. Yeah, it's very exotic and different from other religions. It's like a bunch of chaos happening. Just random s*** happening all the time. But, yeah, definitely find that interesting. But if you guys enjoyed this, this episode, this discussion, you can find other things of this nature. You can find the previous part of this when we're talking about when we stumbled upon Loki, talking about, you know, nature and whatnot. Yeah, you can find that last episode, but you can also find in a bunch of other episodes, random crap that we touch about gods and religions, myths.

Cristina: And myths and crap and all that stuff.

Jack: Yeah, all of the above. You can find all that stuff on the official website. Great thoughts.info or on Apple podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at just combo podcast.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and Reiter and reveal the show if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth matters. As I always tell you at the beginning and at the end of the show, if you find somebody and you kindly ask them to listen to a podcast, you give them all the space they need. You. You, you know, you don't Want to invade personal space.

Cristina: That's disrespectful. Six feet of space in the zone. Yeah.

Jack: You need a social distance. And when you. Social distance and you tell somebody, hey, I know it's lonely these days, alone all the time. Can't interact too much. Well, I can. I can show you podcasts that you feel like you're in the room with these people hanging out safely and tell them about this podcast and they'll love it. And they'll be like, thank you for respecting my personal space and I appreciate you introducing me to this show.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Well, where I'll learn about Norse mythology.

Cristina: Yes, you will, I think at least learn about Loki. Learn about Loki and his children. And his children. Yeah. He learned about a few things, definitely. And this show has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. But now when you think about the message prior to this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It kind of makes sense in a political kind of way.

Cristina: In a political type. What?

Jack: Yes. Because he's saying that they're kind of living in a veil of ignorance to some degree. We have hang ups. We're tightly wound and whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we don't want to let ourselves know more than we do. Where the f*** does he say that?

Cristina: He does not say that.

Jack: Left ear, hard to see the hang ups we have today. The hang ups are somewhere in there. But they don't really realize, though.

Cristina: Oh, no. They don't realize though that he's great. No. The next thing.

Jack: Lift your. Lift your left your lift yourself. Lift your. Lift your. Lift your lift your. Hard to see the hang ups we have today. But they don't realize this next verse. This next verse though, these bars. So the next verse has nothing to do. But they don't realize. They don't really realize. They don't really realize is them sort of. They don't understand. And then he says before that. That. Lift yourself upon your feet. Let's get it on. So, okay, we're beaten down.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we can get up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't need anybody to extend the hand to get us up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's. He argues against that, against the whole welfare system, against the whole. This is just very Kanye of him.

Cristina: Okay. Do it yourself.

Jack: He's saying you could pull yourself up by your bootstraps.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: And then he says the state of mind you're in. I'll sing you some bars about that. And then he jumps into poopa. He's just saying you're full of s***. Everything you've got is excuses.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Your whole state of mind. Let me summarize it in these woke a** bars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Poop.

Cristina: Yes, poop.

Jack: Yeah. He's saying you're full of s***. All of you are full of s***. That's a woke a** song. You just did it like a troll.

Cristina: Be any of the s***, no less. It's to your face.

Jack: It's actually poopa de whoop, not poop that you scoop.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So, yeah, pretty woke s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I give him points as fire.

Cristina: About poop. About poop. Yeah. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.04 MIZ The Podcast & Gender Spectrums

Gender, Gay, Homosexuality, LGBTQ+, Sex, Trans-Racial, Super Straight, Gay Labels, Sperm, Jizz, MIZ The Podcast, Anthony, Comedy, Podcast, Discusssion, Just Conversation, JustConvoPod, Shesnotdoingsowell, She's Not DOing So Well Podcast, Apple Podca…

Guest Anthony Villiotti, host of MIZ The Podcast and comedian, comes back on the show to discuss all range of topics. This energetic discussion with close friend of the show and fan favorite Anthony ranges from smoking marijuana, funeral last wishes, hardcore drugs like cocaine and crack and trans-racial people to the ever evolving gender spectrum, sexual preferences, labels within the homosexual culture and Jack’s sexuality.

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Topics Discussed

  • Smoking
  • Weed
  • Crack vs Coke
  • Gay in Prison
  • Attraction to Females
  • Taste Your Own Sperm
  • Ass Eating
  • Gay Anal
  • Gay Labels
  • Can You Choose Being Gay?
  • Harry Styles
  • Jack’s Sexual Orientation
  • Sapiosexual
  • Gynosexual
  • Is Bisexuality Done?
  • Trans-Racial
  • Gender vs Culture
  • Super Straight
  • Funeral Wishes
  • Jeff Ross

Anthony’s Links:

MIZ The Podcast

Instagram - @mizthepodcast

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She’s Not Doing So Well

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Rambling 126: Mythologies About Nature

Where do mythologies come from? And do any of them accurately explain Earthly phenomena? Does any mythology unpack nature the way we unpack mythology? Answers to that and more on this episode!

The duo take to exploring the stories told by ancient civilizations in order to explain the reason for the existence of natural wonders. When the Gods get involved, events get weird and the origin of Jesus and Loki’s sexual ventures are revealed!

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Topics Discussed

  • Crater Lake
  • Devil’s Tower
  • Fairy Cycles
  • Aurora Borealis
  • Chinese Jesus
  • Solar Winds
  • Spirits
  • Greta Thunberg
  • The Original Volcano
  • The Legend of Zelda
  • Dragon Blood Tree
  • The Shelter of the Gods
  • Loki Horse Son

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

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Jack: And I'm Jack.

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Jack: Yes. And this show is most enjoyable with the listening partners, so be sure to go find someone that can listen with you, whether it be by force, whether it be by, you know, coercion. You bribe somebody. You bring bags of money.

Cristina: Money.

Jack: Bags of money. And be like, hey, you can listen to. You don't have to give them the money. It's got to trick them into taking the money.

Cristina: Trick them into taking the money and.

Jack: Trick them into thinking they're gonna take the money.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: And then they. They potentially listen to the podcast. Or you show them your gun. What, by any means necessary.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Obviously, you can't kill them because you need them to listen to the podcast. That's the point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, I'm not saying don't throw somebody in the hole you've got in your basement and then just turn on the podcast. Like, I didn't say don't do that.

Cristina: You probably shouldn't do that.

Jack: You probably shouldn't do that. We don't condone kidnapping. But what you do in your private time has nothing to do with me.

Cristina: Yes. As long as we have listeners.

Jack: As long as we have listeners, like, look, you're the type of fan you are is more about you, less about us.

Cristina: We're just encouraging you to share.

Jack: Share the show. Share the show. How you do that. That's not.

Cristina: We don't need to know.

Jack: Yeah, don't blame us for it.

Cristina: Yes, don't blame us for that. I love the Irish mythology so much that I decided to talk a tiny bit. I want to talk a tiny bit about it. If you remember that we talked about how fairies were gods once upon a time, and they shrunk into fairies. So then in those stories, the Irish stories, the people of the story became giants. And one of those stories is about Finn McCool. He's a giant from Ireland. There's a giant from Scotland across from him that wanted to fight him. So he made a bridge to. Over there, and that's a. There's a picture of what that was. I mean, it became. Because he destroys the bridge or they destroy the bridge. If they fought, they destroyed the bridge. In one story, they fought, and he won. But in the second story, he dressed up. He saw the other giant, whose name is Ben, and he got scared, so his wife helped him and dressed him up as a baby. And then Ben saw Finn and was like, if that's the baby of the giant, then the giant must look so much bigger than me. And so he got scared, and when he ran away, he destroyed the bridge.

Jack: So the baby couldn't follow him.

Cristina: What? Finn didn't want to fight him. Why would he want to follow him? Finn dressed up as a baby because he didn't want to fight the giant.

Jack: The giant broke the bridge?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In using it.

Cristina: In using it. I don't know how he destroyed the bridge. He just destroyed it with his hands. I don't know.

Jack: The giant crossed the bridge and then broke it.

Cristina: Broke the. He broke it when he went back home. He crossed it to see Finn or to look for Finn, and then he crossed it again, and then he destroyed it when he crossed the river.

Jack: Finn couldn't follow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And Finn didn't want to fight him anyway because he was bigger. That other guy was bigger than him. Yeah, but. Yes. And I don't know. I don't think that story is true. I think the other giant, he told me, like, he doesn't believe it either. Like, what makes no sense about the story is why would he destroy the bridge the other giant made? If he's a scare. He's afraid of this giant. You know, Finn made the bridge, right? Then Ben saw this baby and then runs away, destroying the bridge. But Finn could make the bridge again. So that's. That's the giant's argument.

Jack: He's like, he was just scared at the moment.

Cristina: No. He's telling me. No. Ben is like, that's not true. Ben is a coward. He destroyed. He made it. He saw me, and then he destroyed it. But I don't know who to believe. I. I kind of do believe Ben, though. But, I don't know. Nice to imagine Finn dressed up as a baby.

Jack: That's a weird solution to a problem. Like, it makes sense, I guess. If they look at him and they're like, wow, that's a big baby. I can only imagine what the adults look like. Yeah, but, like, how genius of a plan to assume that they wouldn't just believe, wow, he's dressed like a baby.

Cristina: Yes. Like, what if. Like, what if he didn't know what he looked like? Like, that plan only works because he didn't. But if he asked around and was like, hey, how does this giant I'm gonna fight look like? And then they described that guy, or they pointed to that guy. Like, how embarrassing is it for that.

Jack: For Finn, who's just dressed like a baby.

Cristina: Just dressed like a baby? Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's that guy over there dressed like a giant baby.

Cristina: Is he more scarier to fight than like, he's dressed like a baby?

Jack: I mean, there's an argument to be made that he's way crazier.

Cristina: Yeah, that might be a problem. I don't know. But the story was made because that column that we saw in Ireland, it has the same weird thing that's going on is happening in Scotland right across. So that's why they thought, oh, maybe there was a bridge there or something that connected from both sides to both sides.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's pretty cool. And have other amazing stories like that. There's a place called Crater Lake in Oregon and there's a myth of how it was created. There's like a little island in it. Now they believe that a thousand years ago there was a mountain there. And the God of the underworld was standing on top of the mountain and he saw a beautiful woman. And he was like, I want to take her home with me. And she refused him. So he exploded the mountain out of anger and it shot out and hurt all the people around it. So then the God of the upper world came to save the day and fought him and drove him back down into the mountain. And then he covered the mountain with water. And that's the crater. That's water with a little. The tip of the mountain is reaching out.

Jack: Got you. That's really weird.

Cristina: Yes. Alright. There's a place in Bolivia called Salar de Oiuna. It's the world's largest salt flat, where there's a photo of it, super cool looking. And there's. I think there's a bunch of mountains surrounding it. One of them is called Tanupa. And one of the stories, actually there's a few stories about why that is there. And it revolves around this mountain called Tanupa, this volcano named Tanupa. The first story goes that once upon a time the volcanoes were walking around and they were able to talk to each other and stuff. And there was just one female volcano, while the others were male. And one day she got pregnant and none of the volcanoes knew who the father was because she was with all of them. And they got super angry. They fought each other and someone kidnapped her child. Then the gods punished them by not letting them move or talk anymore. So that they're now in place as volcanoes. And she cries all the time. She cried after she realized, I guess, her child was missing. And that created the salt flat that we see in the picture. It's a combination of her tears and breath.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yeah. And in the second story, it's almost the same. It's her tears and breast milk. It's always her tears and breast milk. But it's. She's having problems with another volcano because he's cheating on her with another volcano and she was crying about it. Then there's the Devil's Tower in Wyoming and it looks pretty cool. I wish there was some devil story.

Jack: That does look badass as f***. What the h*** is that?

Cristina: There's a bunch of Native American stories about it. And it's all revolving around bears.

Jack: Right. But what the h*** is it?

Cristina: It's a mountain.

Jack: That's a f****** mountain?

Cristina: Yeah. It's a cool a** mountain.

Jack: Devil's Tower is just a mountain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the h*** happened to the mountain?

Cristina: Bears clawed it. All the stores revolved around bears because of the those lines. They think it's like claw marks.

Jack: Right. I wonder what like in reality happened.

Cristina: Oh, in reality.

Jack: Oh, it is. That's crazy looking.

Cristina: It's really crazy looking. I get the devil's name too. If he's maybe there. Think like the American version is like the devil did it or something.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Lame or whatever. But in the other stories, it's like kids run up the mountain and then they pray to the their God to save them. And then the mountain rises up and then the claws are from the bears that were chasing them.

Jack: So it wasn't a mountain at.

Cristina: Sorry, no, no.

Jack: They were just standing somewhere and shut up.

Cristina: And then the rocks shut up.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: That's a crazy.

Jack: It looks so unique. I like what it. What the f****** nature could do that though.

Cristina: You don't think it's a volcano related? I feel like a lot of these are volcano related.

Jack: Like it's the tip of a volcano, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. But the lines going, I mean, who knows? Volcanoes are weird. The things they make are weird. So I don't know. Because the castaway that we saw was because of volcanoes. I think like that had to do with magma, the magic of magma. Then there's these things in southwest Africa in a place called Namibia called fairy circles. Fairy circles. Look at them.

Jack: Fairy circles. They look like drops of water. Not drops, but like if there was like moss on the water and you dropped a drop of water into a lake or something. Okay, so there's like moss on a lake and then you drop like a raindrop into the lake and then the opening that forms in the moss where the raindrop hits the water. That's what this looks like.

Cristina: Yeah. You want to know something super interesting?

Jack: What?

Cristina: They don't really know why.

Jack: Why it happens.

Cristina: Why it happens? Yeah, like there's a bunch of reasonable things of why. Like termites is a big theory. Some combination of termites and the plants. It's type of plants.

Jack: But no, this is on the ground, not water, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it's on the ground. So it's. It's a tough to. It's a toughie to explain. Yeah, the grasslands, that's what it's called. They're barren spots called fairy circles because they're very circular. They're really. They really are pretty nice. But there's also local myths about what caused those fairies circles that are not fairy related actually. So if that's what you were thinking, one of them is their footsteps of giants or spirits. And the other one that tour guides like to use is that they're formed by dragons. That a dragon that's inside the earth, that its breath is like poisonous and it's destroying the vegetation in that type of way.

Jack: Why circularly?

Cristina: Why circularly? I don't know. Those tourist guys don't know what they're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, like that's an unthought out story.

Cristina: Because I guess dragons are cool. So they wanted, you know, dragons. What's cooler than fairies?

Jack: I would argue that the other side of the planet is something like subspace in which it works in opposite. And while on this end it looks like ground, on that end it looks like water. And then when water drops do hit that lake, it creates this void that we see here, these clearings. Which is to say that when we're out here in lakes covered in moss and junk and water from our side lands on their side, it's land and it creates these sort of gaps of vegetation.

Cristina: Is that sci fi? I don't know. What kind of explanation is that?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It's very strange.

Jack: Yeah, it's great.

Cristina: It's great. It's a great explanation. Your explanation is better than these other.

Jack: Because they just don't like take into account what's happening. It's just like here's a thing.

Cristina: Yes, here's a thing. The termites, maybe termites probably. Then the ouroborealis, which is a beautiful thing. You've probably seen this many times. Yes. Like it's still. It's very. It's beautiful. I can't imagine someone that sees this every day. And I mean, I guess if you.

Jack: Saw it every day, anything you see every day, you get over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We are surrounded by ginormous buildings that we see every day. And it's like, sweet. Another big building. Yeah, but we're like, man, awesome. To see, like a huge mountain. Meanwhile, people living across from a mountain are like, whatever, dude. I wonder what the city looks like, though.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: We're ungrateful. We all suck. Anybody who's over there seeing this s*** every day is like, oh, this garbage is happening again. Blocking the stars. I wanted the stargaze today. And this stupid Aurora wants to be in the f****** way.

Cristina: Yes, well, Aurora has so many. So many explanations, I guess from all over the world. Because a lot of places. See, it's not just a one location specific thing, I think. Right. So in Norse mythology, the lights are from the shields of the Valkyrie. If you remember the Valkyries, they're getting the soldiers to Valhalla.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So that's them. That's pretty cool.

Jack: That's their spirit.

Cristina: That's their shield shining. But it could be their spirit. It could be the spirits that they're grabbing. Who knows? Because a lot of them involve spirits.

Jack: Right. But like, this is just a floating Valkyrie that is not in spirit form and happens to be in the sky. If it's not a spirit of a Valkyrie.

Cristina: Well, it's not. Well, to them it's caused by the light reflecting off the shield and armor. So I don't know.

Jack: Right. Which means there's a floating Valkyrie. Or hundreds of thousands. Thousands of floating Valkyries.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they're not even dead.

Cristina: No, they're just.

Jack: They could fly. Yeah, it's a thing they could do.

Cristina: Why not? They're. Why. But you think it would be their spirits.

Jack: No, I'm saying that if they don't think it's their spirits, they're idiots. Because how are they trying to comp. How are they explaining this? It's just like. Yeah, we see Valkyries in battle all the time. Sometimes they die. It's like, why don't they just fly over their opponents?

Cristina: They don't see Valkyries.

Jack: Valkyries are soldiers.

Cristina: No, Valkyries are taking the souls of the soldiers that are dying.

Jack: Valkyrie is a female soldier in.

Cristina: Yeah, Valhalla. But we don't see them. I don't think we see them.

Jack: So they do float?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. Like, do they. Would they say they see Odin?

Jack: I Don't know.

Cristina: I don't know how, you know, that stuff works compared to their reality.

Jack: I wonder how the h*** Valkyrie is taking the soul then. Because they're not even. Based on the logic, they're not even here.

Cristina: But if they are here, they'd be floating.

Jack: Yeah, they had to travel here and then they're just, you know. They float.

Cristina: Yes, I guess they float.

Jack: So Norse mythology, Valkyries are like a.

Cristina: God Lesser because they're working for a God.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Even gods work for Odin.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm not sure. I don't know where the Valkyries fit in. The gods in Norse mythology. They're in the low tier, though. They're probably C tier.

Jack: Yeah. They're like soldiers for gods.

Cristina: Yeah. And then China has the oldest records of the aurora borealis. One of their stories is on autumn of 2000 BC, there was a young woman who was sitting alone in the wilderness, and then she saw the lights and it was so beautiful that she got pregnant and she gave birth to us. To a boy Jesus.

Jack: Okay, so let's. Let's go back a couple of notches. Lady's sitting outside, the sky turns. Beautiful. It's so beautiful.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She got pregnant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Japanese Jesus is born.

Cristina: China.

Jack: Chinese Jesus is born.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's. That's the order we're going with here. She sits outside. It's so beautiful. Whoops. I guess it got me pregnant.

Cristina: Well, this Chinese Jesus does more than Jesus, though.

Jack: I like random street performers, do more than Jesus did.

Cristina: Yes. Well, this guy, he grows up to be the emperor, and he's known for starting the Chinese culture and the ancestor of all of China, all Chinese people come from him. He's the beginning of China.

Jack: So he's like, wait, what the f***? How the f*** was this lady there then?

Cristina: She was before the Chinese culture. Okay, she was there, but she was like the native before Chinese.

Jack: Random lady walks into totally abandoned, empty lands. There's nobody been here before, ever.

Cristina: She was the first born.

Jack: She traveled who knows how far to reach an area where she can look up and see something that the nearest person can't see because they're that far. It's in the sky and the nearest person can't see it. They must be hundreds of feet, thousands of miles. She just. Crazy walking journey. She was like bear Grylls in this s*** on her.

Cristina: Maybe God told her to do this journey.

Jack: Then she got to this abandoned land, and then one day she's just looking up and she's like, hey, that's a cool little. Oh, my God. It keeps getting brighter. Wow. It's so big. It's so big. It's inside me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'm pregnant now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That thing, that must have been God. Now I start China.

Cristina: Yes. Well, she doesn't. Her son does. Her Jesus.

Jack: But she started China.

Cristina: She started.

Jack: Technically, she started China. She had the first life on that soil.

Cristina: No, because Mary isn't the starter of Christianity. It's Jesus.

Jack: Well, to be fair, Mary is the starter of Jesus.

Cristina: Exactly. But it's two separate things.

Jack: No, 100% not. Because Mary's creation of with Jesus came Christianity. Jesus didn't start Christianity. Jesus was just a preacher.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mary gave birth to the word of God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As did Asian Mary, who started Chinese Jesus. And thus the Chinese culture.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she began the Chinese culture.

Cristina: Okay, so you're saying Mary started it all too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mary is the reason that Jesus and Christianity touches children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of Mary, priests touch children. That's the connection I'm making here.

Cristina: What we didn't have.

Jack: If we didn't have Mary, this wouldn't be a problem.

Cristina: Do you think Mary was touched by the aurora borealis?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe. It's just that this Asian Mary is calling God the aurora. What does God look like? He's anomalous.

Cristina: He's a bright light. But she would have been blinded by his light.

Jack: She was apparently very blinded.

Jack: It was so beautiful. She thought it was inside her. She wasn't really capable of telling distance anymore. She was pretty blind. The story tells us a lot.

Cristina: Well, we got a lot from Australian natives. They have the light that shows up in Australia. They commonly see it as fire. Because it's red. Because it's red like fire. Look at that. Look at it. It's red. It's burning and. Yeah, so it's thought of as fire. And the people from the Western Victoria call them ashes, while people in the eastern Victoria see them as bushfires of the spirit world. It's a lot of spirit world stuff. South Australia sees them as evil spirits creating a large fire. And South Australians that see over the Kangaroo island see as a campfire of the spirits in the land of the dead.

Jack: A campfire in the land of the dead?

Cristina: Yes, because they need to get warm, too. In Southwest Queensland, the ouroborealis was fires of the spirits who spoke to people. And only male spirits as males. Only male elders were allowed to look at and speak to these spirits.

Jack: And what were these spirits?

Cristina: Their ancestors. Their ancestors were the spirits.

Jack: So they can Speak across time?

Cristina: Basically, yeah. Yeah.

Jack: There's a bridge to the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, these are the spirits of the ancestors. Or is it like they think this is, like, by spirit, they mean they can communicate through time to their ancestors in the past?

Cristina: I think it's true. Spirits. I don't think they're thinking of time travel.

Jack: Okay, so it's not like in the past, their ancestors are looking at the same thing speaking to the future.

Cristina: I don't think so. That'd be cool. But then that kind of interesting plot device, that would have been an example of time travel in some religious way or, you know, some myth or something. That'd be amazing.

Jack: That'd be interesting. There's a bunch of that, though. Anybody who could tell the future, anybody making predictions, it never just happened in a vision. So, like, I guess some of them did. But there wasn't. Like, there were other situations in which there was, like, a thing they were talking to or somewhere. They were seeing it. And this is some sort of bridge through time.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, if you think about.

Jack: It logically, I guess.

Cristina: But they weren't saying it like that.

Jack: No, they were saying, like, you know, I'm talking to a flaming bush that's telling me the secrets or whatever. But it's like, maybe this is a catalyst and it's connected to something.

Cristina: Yes. And if you believe in aliens, it's aliens. Pretty much, it's aliens communicating. So ridiculous. And the first Old Norse account, one of the first written, one of the first things written about it, or one of the oldest things written about it. In 81,230, the author heard about the phenomenon from people returning to Greenland. He gave three explanations to what was making the lights. They were. The ocean was surrounded by vast fire. The fires. That's one. One is the ocean is surrounded by a vast fire. Two is the sun flares could reach around the world to the night side. And three is glaciers could store energy so that they'll eventually become fluorescent.

Jack: That would be an awesome world to live in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If glaciers just glow.

Cristina: They just glow.

Jack: They just glow.

Cristina: An ocean being surrounded by fire. That's crazy.

Jack: That's flat Earth.

Cristina: That's like, whoa, it's ice to them. What if we found out it was fire? What?

Jack: I guess, like, far enough. It would have to be. Right. If it's infinitely flat, that'll just. S*** happens.

Cristina: Eventually you will find fire.

Jack: Yeah, eventually. It's encircled by fire.

Cristina: Yeah. What about his second theory? The sun flares are reaching around the world at night.

Jack: Literally happens. But when There's a solar flare, and our magnetism causes that.

Cristina: What do they look like?

Jack: Usually the. They light up the aurora borealis. That's kind of what's happening. That's pretty accurate.

Cristina: Oh, look at him. That.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What? Well, I like his other explanations better.

Jack: Yeah. Solar flares hitting the magnetic field of the Earth causes that. Not a solar flare, but a solar wind, which is essentially a solar flare. Basically, it's just a radiation flying towards us. And our magnetic field protects us from getting baked by all the radiation coming down. And it curbs around the magnetic field, causing the answer.

Cristina: He wasn't there, but he's like.

Jack: He's like, close. He was close. That was, like, pretty on the spot for somebody who had no. The. No clue what he was talking about.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, he's like that guy from. From the Good Place that he just kind of, like, guessed what heaven was like.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And, like, got it real f****** accurate. And then he became a hero to everybody.

Cristina: Yeah. Except it turned out that he was totally wrong.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Gotta forget about. That's so sad. And that show. So good. Why is it over? Although I love the solution. I do like the ending of that.

Jack: Yeah. They really explored it beyond the most philosophical points.

Cristina: That's pretty good then. The Native American myth is that the lights are spirits of their friends dancing.

Jack: In the sky because they're being trolled by their friends.

Cristina: I guess when they're very happy, the lights look brighter. So you know how your friends are doing. If it's dim, then they must be not so happy.

Jack: H*** must be happening. It's wartime.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's interesting. Did they believe that? Man, there's my problem with spirits. All right. If spirits are watching you at all times, Right. Like, at some point you got to f*** your wife, your grandma. Spirit is just watching you now. It's uncomfortable.

Cristina: I don't care about that. I do care about, like, if I'm pooping. That's kind of disturbing.

Jack: Do you care about being watched, pooping more than being watched f******, yeah.

Cristina: Yes, I do.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: Why is that weird? Because, like, they've done it. They know what it is.

Jack: They've also pooped, and they know what it is.

Cristina: I don't know. Mines could be special, Right? I don't know. There's a lot of situations where I wouldn't want someone to be watching me, I guess.

Jack: But sex is not one of them.

Cristina: Sex is one of them, but I feel like pooping is higher on my list. Sex is a close second. I'm guessing maybe just Your grandma watching you bang.

Jack: You don't give a f***.

Cristina: I'm sure she is. It's like, would she rather watch me bang or she could.

Jack: She probably cleaned your a** after you took a poop at some point, so.

Cristina: She should be more okay with watching me.

Jack: Yeah, she's way more familiar with that than watching you get b****.

Cristina: Would you rather watch someone have sex or take a poop?

Jack: Interesting. I like how you flipped it. I see what you're saying now, but I guess what you're thinking about is the wrong way, though. I like how you flipped it. Because if you're the ghost, what's your preference? Yes, but that's not what we're talking about. We're talking about you as the person. Why would you care what the ghost's preference is? If they're watching both, they're watching both. Yeah. Why do you care which one?

Cristina: I don't know if they. They might be watching one over the other. But then, you know what?

Jack: Okay, now let's think about how much worse this is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Your grandma is like, h***, yeah, I'm gonna watch her have sex instead.

Cristina: I don't think she would be watching me have sex. I feel like she'd be watching.

Jack: She's watching everybody all the time, but she gets to choose one of two moments. She only gets to choose one of two moments. She has to throw one moment away, and she's like, I can either watch her poop and respect her sex privacy or f*** watching her poop and I can watch her get f*****.

Cristina: That's your girl watching me, though. She'd be watching a stranger.

Jack: No, she'd be watching everybody have sex.

Cristina: No. What? Ghosts can't do that.

Jack: Ghosts are like God. And in this case, your grandma hovers over your life.

Cristina: She hovers over a stranger.

Jack: She has no option. She only wants his family. She only watches family. No, that's why you see your family dancing in the aurora. Because they're watching over you. Or your friends. People you know are watching over you.

Cristina: No, they're not.

Jack: That is exactly how the stories go.

Cristina: That's horrible.

Jack: How is that any better than. I mean, how's that any worse than strangers?

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: Complete, total strangers who were probably gonna grab your hand in a train one day without your permission. Now they can just. Like, I get to watch your f***. Anyways, whatever. I won the lottery.

Cristina: I don't know. I just think about myself, though. I would rather not watch someone poop.

Jack: But you rather watch somebody have sex in that exchange.

Cristina: If there's still only two.

Jack: There's only two.

Cristina: And it's like, okay, one is gonna be like watching p***, which is whatever. And then one is watching poop. And that is disgusting.

Jack: Yeah, but you're thinking about you being the ghost.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why do you care what the ghost is doing if you're. Who's being watched?

Cristina: Just the ghost Doing what?

Jack: Why do you think? Why do you care what the ghost prefers?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: If you're the one being watched?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How does that affect your life? What they prefer? It doesn't matter what they prefer. Yeah, they're watching. You don't even know what they're watching. You just know they're watching one or the other. You're not uncomfortable with the fact that they're probably just like, I'm a watcher. F***, that's awesome. Yeah, she's my granddaughter. But f*** it, I'm a watcher.

Cristina: It's all disturbing.

Jack: Get that D?

Cristina: It's all disturbing.

Jack: Or if it's a complete stranger. Yeah, she didn't let me touch her hand when I was in the train. But you know what? She doesn't know I got hit by a bus immediately after that. Now Imma just watch her forever.

Cristina: No, no one's watching.

Jack: That same creep who was gonna go home and beat off to touching your hand without your permission anyways is now infinitely for all of eternity, beating off to you f****** people for free. Not even. Only fans charges or anything.

Cristina: Maybe I get something special when I die. If I had a bunch of ghost viewers, we don't know that.

Jack: That'd be crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah, like I'm winning ghost points right now.

Jack: I don't know, man. Or you get to ghost location and get raped immediately by all the people that were watching you because now you're a superstar.

Cristina: But if you're a ghost, like, can you even rape?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Maybe because I thought the whole point of watching other people that are alive is because you can't do anything.

Jack: Who said based on what?

Cristina: Why are you wasting your time watching people then?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: You do whatever you want.

Jack: They probably do whatever they want and watch people. They can watch you without being seen. Why would they not do that?

Cristina: Because they could do other things. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they're gonna watch you get and then they're gonna go with you. In their mind.

Cristina: They just watch p*** because they can watch.

Jack: They are watching p***. That's exactly what they're doing. Except you're the channel.

Cristina: I don't know. I feel like their lives have to be a little different.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Why would it be just like this?

Jack: Why wouldn't it?

Cristina: It's so lame. It's so lame.

Jack: If it isn't like this, you're basically saying you believe in God and there's a laid out plan and map that we're following. Or we just move forward to another plane that we adjust to and live there until we move from that one.

Cristina: We can't be stalking the past though.

Jack: We literally own photos.

Cristina: We gotta burn those photos.

Jack: We have video recordings. We do nothing but stalk the past. That's 99%. Yeah, 99% of everything is us fixated on what's already happened.

Cristina: That's horrible. It's the worst thing ever. You gotta stop that.

Jack: Good luck. Call Greta Thornburg. Maybe she'll help you.

Cristina: Okay. Wow, it's so disturbing.

Jack: Isn't Greta Thornburg a teenager or some s***? Now she's over here like her rebellion sage. Probably like smacking cigarettes back. Just throwing them into the wood heads, not giving a. She's like the environment. These old people think they can hold us down. I don't even care anymore.

Cristina: The whole robots and like we gotta destroy all humans.

Jack: Nah, man. I think she's probably just going through her rebellious teenage face. Probably like a goth right now. Smoking hella cigarettes and just throwing them into the driest part of the wood. She's like, watch it burn.

Cristina: She's gonna go visit California.

Jack: She wants to recreate California elsewhere. She's like, let's see if we can do this in Florida.

Cristina: I guess that's fine. I don't know.

Jack: She's not even like Amer. Which the f*** is she from? Some other place, Some other Scotland.

Cristina: She lives in German, I think. I don't know. Oh, maybe. Anyway, the next place is in Italy. I don't know if you know about this place. It's an island. It's the volcano. It's the volcano that other volcanoes are named after. It is the original volcano.

Jack: It's called Volcano. Volcano.

Cristina: It's called Volcano. It is called volcano.

Jack: So it's volcano. It's Volcano. Volcano.

Cristina: Yeah, it's Volcano. Volcano. It is the volcano. Look at it. It's huge. It's island, but it's a volcano. And this volcano. Volcano. The volcano from Volcano. In Roman mythology, the volcano on the island is the chimney from Falcon, the Roman God of fire and metalwork. He has a workshop there. And that's the chimney of it in.

Jack: The center of the earth.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's co. Under the volcano is the workshop.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So there's a workshop at the center of everything because isn't that how Thor's hammer was made?

Cristina: In the center of a star? Oh, I don't know. Yes. That's not just in the galaxy movies. I don't know. That was based on Norse mythology too.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. And the island grows bigger because the cinders and the ashes that he cleans out of his workshop go onto the island. Although it's really the magma, it's really just the magma of the volcano. And earthquakes that come before or within the explosions of ash is due to Vulcan doing his work. He's making weapons for their God, Mars. It's for his armies to wage war and stuff. So he's making their weapons and that's explaining the volcano and it exploding and all that stuff.

Jack: Okay, so when it erupts and has a big explosion, is that. There's a lot of work going on?

Cristina: Yeah, it's a lot of, well, him working on the weapons going on, so. That's cute. Yeah. Look at that volcano. It's a huge volcano. Pretty cool volcano. Okay. I don't care for this place. Okay. And then there's this really interesting looking place in Turkey. They're called the fairy chimneys. They're like little. If you can see, it looks like little homes inside the cave or something, like little doors or windows or something happening on the chimneys. The stories are that the chimneys were built from fairies who live underground. Because fairies do that sometimes. They live underground. They live in random locations. Wait, where is this in Turkey? They're called fairy chimneys in Turkey. And they're like mountains with a bunch of holes in them. If I zoom in, I guess you'll see closer. Looks like.

Jack: Right. So is this what the characters in Legend of Zelda, Wind Waker, are based on? The bird people.

Cristina: The bird people?

Jack: Yeah. They were originally some of the people who lived in Kokiri Village, one of the villages. And they. The. The town below got flooded because the whole world got flooded. And the people evolved to be these.

Cristina: Bird things and they live on in like chimney looking. Oh, they live on the mountain.

Jack: In and out of the mountain.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Oh, maybe. They probably take things from all over. So. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, they have fairies, but I don't know. Those birds aren't seen as fairies in that world though, right? No, just that little thing is a fairy. They haven't seen more than one type of fairy.

Jack: I mean, I guess humans probably consider a lot of these creatures to be equal to fairies. Even if they don't use that exact same word. They're all like mythical things. And to people they're still like, wow.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, really? Okay. In that. In the world. You mean those people are.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like if you look at the. They used to call the Kokiri village people the children fairy kids.

Cristina: The fairy kids?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's adorable.

Jack: Like, that was literally the term they use on them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They used to say Link was a fairy boy.

Cristina: Well, they were fairies. Wait, did they grow up? They didn't grow up, right?

Jack: No. Link was the only one. Because he wasn't a fairy.

Cristina: No, but the kids. No, they stayed the same size. They probably did. Age? No, not age, age. But like time did pass by in that village or. No, like time was frozen there.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like they were still young, in their 40s. They're still kids in their 40s or whatever.

Jack: I mean, if you choose to count time, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean. Like they're. They. In a way that sounds very fair. Like if.

Jack: But I don't get what you do. Referencing time. That part doesn't make any sense though.

Cristina: Because if it was no time, then they're just children. Like they're not aging or nothing. Because there's no time.

Jack: Aren't aging. They're not little old people. Yeah, they're always kids.

Cristina: They're always kids.

Jack: Yes. They don't stop being children.

Cristina: Like their minds don't change.

Jack: I don't think so. No.

Cristina: You know.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they are literally just kids. They depend on the great Deku tree to be like the father figure.

Cristina: Oh, okay. They don't ever want to not be kids.

Jack: They don't know anything else.

Cristina: Oh, they don't know anything. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Jan, they can't leave.

Cristina: They can't leave. What? Alright then. In Yemen, there is a place that has these trees called dragon blood trees. And they look really cool and strange. And one of the stories is that the first dragon blood tree was created from the blood of a wounded dragon after battling an elephant. And then the tree's blood is the dragon's blood, which the locals use as medicine. And then the second story from the dragon tree, it has to do with Hercules and he. In the Greek mythology, Hercules has a bunch of tasks that he has to do. The 12 Labors of Hercules.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And in the 11th task, he has to steal the golden apples that the dragon is protecting on that island in that location. And Hercules has to kill the dragon. And then that's the dragon's blood that's flowing in the island and that's what made the dragon trees. Because I guess the dragon's tree does have something that looks like blood oozing out of it, but it's just the SAP, the SAP of the tree SAP.

Jack: Tree SAP? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Unique. So it looks like.

Jack: Oh, there's red tree SAP is pretty common.

Cristina: Red tree SAP. What? Oh, well, to them it looks. Well, the trees look really unique too. Yeah, it's all twisted and weird looking and so they think it's like part of the dragon or whatever. So. Yeah. And then there's the sleeping ute in Colorado. It's a man. Look at it, he's sleeping. See the man sleeping?

Jack: Oh yeah, I see him.

Cristina: Okay. In the story, he's a great warrior God who was battling evil and he got injured and now he's recovering by sleeping, so he just sleeps there until he gets better.

Jack: What's the origin of this? The origin, like who told the story?

Cristina: Native Americans told this story. Which group? I'm not sure. Pretty sure. Native Americans.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And his wounds became rivers and the rains come out of his pocket. For some reason, his pockets have clouds in them.

Jack: It's the lint collected.

Cristina: Yes. On each season the warrior changes his blankets for the four seasons. So I guess like the clouds above him look different in every season. So they, they're describing as the blanket that he's using. So like in spring he's using a light green blanket, so I guess the sky has a really green look to it, while in fall it's reddish yellow. So he's using a red blanket or whatever. Clouds are changing color every time he changes his blanket and it represents the different seasons in Iceland. There's this giant like hole, this dense looking hole in the ground. You see, it's a huge dent and it's called the Shelter of the gods. And it's explained that it was created by one of Odin's horse. It's an eight legged horse. Only one of its foot though, for some reason touched the earth's ground. The earth. And that's the mark of it. Now gods hang out in there, I guess.

Jack: But the gods are so big. The horse's footprint is that size.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So gods are squeezing in there.

Cristina: Yes, yes they are. And this horse's backstory is amazing. He is. Besides that, he's like an egg legged creature with runes for his teeth. It's kind of bizarre looking. But he is a baby of Loki and it's a weird story, as is.

Jack: Every other child ever.

Cristina: There was a builder who went to the gods, who was like, I want to help you guys. I want to build you a defensive wall for your castle. And they agreed, but they didn't really believe he could do it. So they were like, okay, you can do it, but you have to do it alone. And then he said, alright, but could I at least have my horse help me? And for some reason they agreed. Until they saw that he's his horse was actually very helpful. So then Loki was like, all right, I gotta stop this from happening. So he turned into a female horse and to distract the male horse. And then soon after that, he gave birth to this eight legged freak.

Jack: Loki did?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Fire. Loki turned into a woman, got pregnated, then gave birth to a freak.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, a female horse. Not like. What? Like that's your distraction. I know he's like the pranking God or whatever, but that prank doesn't sound like a prank. Sounds like.

Jack: Sounds like he wanted to f*** a horse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And have. Raise a family with it.

Cristina: I don't know about that, but I feel like he wanted. He was curious about that horse.

Jack: Yeah. He started a family with the horse when a head became a horse. And then he had sex with the horse and then he started a family with the horse and it's that time Loki settled down.

Cristina: I don't think he settled down. I just think he was curious about that horse.

Jack: Right. And then he got pregnant. But he could have stopped that pregnancy.

Cristina: He's Loki.

Jack: He's a God. But no, he kept playing wife.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He saw this all the way through.

Cristina: Then he had an egg legged freak and then it somehow became Odin's horse.

Jack: Yep. It's a weird family tree happening right here.

Cristina: Yeah. I wonder what is my grand.

Jack: I ride my grandson around her.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh my gosh. That what? How did that happen? There's some mythology for you, but what is the explanation of his other children now? Now I'm like, was he curious about other things?

Jack: Like had the world snake happened?

Cristina: Yes. Like what was he curious?

Jack: Maybe he just became a woman snake and he banged another snake and then boom.

Cristina: Like how often. Yes. Did he give and his jackal children?

Jack: Maybe he just became some sort of jackal woman. Got plowed by some jackal boom God jackal things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He just likes to get.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What we've landed on is Loki likes sex, but not even like being the dom. He's like way sub.

Cristina: Yes. He doesn't want to be a dude getting.

Jack: He's got hella little spoon energy.

Cristina: A woman and he gives birth. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, he wants the whole experience.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: He is committed, bro. He's here for the ride. It ain't about no destination. He's here for the whole ride.

Cristina: I wonder if he has any, like, human children and what the explanation of that is?

Jack: Mad boring. After you f*** the snake the size of earth like humans. That feels like a step back.

Cristina: I thought the snake the size of Earth is his child.

Jack: Yeah, but like, what the f*** did he f*** to get that thing?

Cristina: I want to know. It has to be way bigger.

Jack: Fair enough. Either way bigger or he f***** just a normal snake, but because he's a God, he gave birth to this thing.

Cristina: Yes. Well, that's something. We both learned so much from the story. It's a great story.

Jack: Loki's awesome.

Cristina: And besides locations that are explained through myths and stuff, there's also natural disasters that myths are used to explain as well. Like tsunamis from a sea God. The Mochan people that live in some islands near Earth island, they believe in a sea spirit God who sends monstrous waves to pretty much clean out the humans and to eat them. And one time they collected a bunch of fallen coconuts and went to the sea to beg the wave to not destroy their boats or their island or whatever. To not destroy their boats. And the wave, I guess, listened to them and they were saved. That's the story that they tell to themselves. Like, that's the Myth. But in 2004, they remembered that story and it actually saved their lives. Because they remember the story of how they survived the first time, but not by getting the coconuts, but because they remember the whole wave going back and then coming, but it didn't, like, destroy them. But in this time, it was there to destroy them. They went somewhere up higher and they all survived, except for one person, I think died. But around them, a bunch of people died from this. Just them specifically, this group of people were able to make it out alive thanks to a myth. So that's pretty awesome.

Jack: That is kind of badass. Sort of went full circle. It began as an explanation, and that explanation turned out to be the saving grace of a couple of people. Yeah, because it was based on truth.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which then goes to say, how many of these myths are based on truth? Like, one dude almost got magnetism and solar winds. Yeah, like, he got pretty close. So how many of these things, although wrapped around the crazy veil of whatever the beliefs were at that time, are, like, actually accurate? Like, if you sift through them enough and you pick the right things, truth is just there.

Cristina: I don't know that's interesting. I like that this actually worked for someone.

Jack: Yeah, it actually worked. The story was built on a fact about tsunamis.

Cristina: Yeah. In Japan, they have this creature called the namazu. The Namazu, which is a giant catfish who causes earthquakes with his tail. Originally, he was there just to warn people before a flood or rain so that they know, like, oh, no, something bad's gonna happen. But he wasn't like a bad creature or anything. Then the tail changed through time, and then he became something called the yokai, which is a creature that's a creature that just destroys things.

Jack: Not necessarily. The yokai, as told to us by the host of Obscure Anomalies when he was guesting on the show, was that his name is Chris Rustic, and he was telling us about the yokai and how the yokai are creatures created to tell stories that couldn't be explained in any other way.

Cristina: Okay. Well, they decided that now he's the one destroying everything with his tail. He's making the earthquakes and the tsunamis with his tail fascinating. Which originally he was a good guy, but whatever. And then later he, I guess, sort of became the good guy again. But now he's punishing people for human. For greed.

Jack: So Santa Claus.

Cristina: Yes. Because his destruction was pretty much destroying the property of the rich people. Because tsunamis and earthquakes are destroying wealthy people's properties, and then they're seeing it as a good thing.

Jack: Fair enough. Because the argument here is if you don't own anything, you don't have anything to lose. And the people who do own anything are the ones who are getting f***. It's when natural disasters happen. Which then comes to put the argument forward that only the greedy people suffer in tragedies. Because the homeless people were already homeless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And already owned nothing. And nomads and people who just live roaming freely don't own anything to lose. An earthquake hits, your building collapses. Even if there were people renting those apartments, they can go rent somewhere that didn't collapse. The owner of the building is f*****, though.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: House owners are f*****.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: House renters can just go rent somewhere else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Owners of stuff get screwed in an earthquake.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Same thing happens in hurricanes. People who own s*** lose s***. People who don't own s*** don't lose s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Natural disasters attack only the wealthy.

Cristina: Yes. Except for the deaths. That's pretty much everyone but the property, though.

Jack: Yeah. Property wise, wealthy. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah.

Jack: That's why nothing else that could be attacked. Anyways, we are running out of time.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah. But pretty fascinating I like that some of these people are pretty spot on on what their lessons are. Even if, you know, some of it is crazy.

Cristina: Some of it.

Jack: But it's like a lot of it is crazy in grounded ways. Like they thought about it enough to make it make sense and then told the story with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that story turned out true.

Cristina: The best one though was the Chinese. Jesus. Yeah, like, how could you?

Jack: Lady came out of f****** nowhere and started Chineseism.

Cristina: Started. Yeah, those lights were magical.

Jack: Chineseism was the Chinese, the first Asians. Is every other Asian culture, like branching out of Chinese?

Cristina: Maybe Because a lot they're the old. Like they have the oldest, then the.

Jack: Answer is if they are the oldest, then yes.

Cristina: Like not that they're the oldest, but they have the oldest records, I would say from others. Because they were writing before anyone else.

Jack: The Chinese invented record keeping.

Cristina: Well, in the Chinese, I mean the Asian culture, they were the ones that were writing.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: And that's why everyone else got writing from their writing.

Jack: Because my understanding was that the Jews were the ones who invented record keeping.

Cristina: Well, then maybe they were. I don't know. One passed it to the other, who knows?

Jack: Yeah, but anyways, if you guys like stuff like this.

Cristina: Hey, what about the Egyptians? Are they not older? They were writing, although we can't understand their writing. So do they count? That doesn't count.

Jack: I mean, record keeping as we know it now, where names are written down and family trees are kept in track and that kind of stuff. Yeah, the modern day record keeping that we still do now with just better things. But it was more or less the same thing. That was. I believe I could be mistaken and this could be misinformation, but I don't. The f*** who thinks I'm telling the truth anyways when I'm talking? Yeah, it could totally be the Jews.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Well, in fact, whether or not it's the Jews, it's the Jews.

Cristina: Well, I'm saying it's the Chinese.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Anyways, if you guys like things of this nature, there are actually many episodes on random crap like this. The closest thing I could think of to like disasters like this would actually be the mass hysteria episode.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Because it's talking about large scale things that happened which kind of falls in line with these large things. Except that's way leaning more towards, you know, trying to dissect the psychology of crazy people.

Cristina: Yeah. But we also, I think, go a little into the weird explanations they came up with.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Before actually figuring it out.

Jack: Interesting, interesting.

Cristina: It's pretty Cool.

Jack: Anyways, you guys can find that stuff on the official website greatthoughts.info on Apple podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok on just convopod.

Jack: Yes, and remember to subscribe, rate and review the show if you feel so inclined.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is the most important thing in the world. I tell you this at the beginning, always, and I tell you this at the end, that you have to approach somebody with the kindest heart and ask them. Look, I would love if you listen to the show and if you don't, it's totally cool. There's no pressure, but I hope you can listen to the show. I think you'll enjoy it a lot. And when you're genuine like that, people will just be like, man, this guy, a good guy. And they'll just listen.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: They'll give it a shot. So just know you share your kindness.

Cristina: They will listen, of course.

Jack: Love is the way.

Cristina: Love is the way. Uhhuh. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: He might have taken a poop in the litter.

Cristina: Boxing all the poop.

Jack: He's scooping all the poop. He didn't say scooping all the poop.

Cristina: That's not a thing.

Jack: No, I think he's just scooping the poop.

Cristina: His poop? Just once.

Jack: His poop? Yeah, he took a poop and I was scooping it. He's a good citizen.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: Huh?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: He exists in a universe where he took a poop and he just picked the poop up.

Cristina: There has to be more to that song.

Jack: Maybe he grabbed the poop with his bare hand.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: Just a bare grip. Just a bear grip on a poop log.

Cristina: No, if he's scooping it, then he has a something.

Jack: Some sort of poop scooper.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, scooper. To scoop the poop.

Jack: Yeah, he has a scooper to scoop.

Cristina: Then that would make it seem like he's done this before.

Jack: He had a scooper to scoop the poop with.

Cristina: Like, unless that scoop is used for something else.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Let's. Let's dive deep into this.

Cristina: We're gonna break down the lyrics. Good morning, Good night. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published bygreat dots.in fox. Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 125: Banshees and Women in White

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What are Banshees? What are their origins? Are they related to the Woman in the White Dress? Answers to this and more on this episode!

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The duo unpacks Banshee’s, Women in White and any similar or relate ghost or creature in order to get better informed as they continue to fill their Mars prison with different paranormal beings to study. All in the name of science.

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  • Banshees
  • Death Omen
  • The Weeper
  • Woman in the White Dress
  • La Llorona
  • Lilith
  • Shadow Realm
  • Shapeshifters
  • Fear
  • Reapers

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on the topics that we discuss. So be sure to find a single individual, somewhere random, that they wouldn't expect to be found by a different complete stranger, and approach them with this very tone. I'm speaking.

Cristina: You sound like an anime villain or something.

Jack: That's fine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You approach them and you. Hey, Yugi, I have a show for you to listen to. And if you don't, I will fling you to the shadow realm.

Cristina: To the shadow. We're revisiting the shadow realm? Sort of. Not really, but one of the creatures we talked about.

Jack: We are?

Cristina: Yes. The Banshee.

Jack: The banshee? Yes.

Cristina: Remember last time? Well, not last time. Dragon Ball Z, but a few episodes ago, we talked about Ireland creatures. Yes, yes. And we learned about fairies. And I'm still unsure about this fairy ghost thing, if it's a fairy or a ghost or if it's us or not. Like, I know you explained it, but it still makes no sense in my head because it's so many different ideas, but it's all the same. But it's all different, so it's hard to understand for me. But the Banshee, she's a fairy lady, but she's also a ghost.

Jack: Right. Are they different variants of this?

Cristina: Of the banshee?

Jack: Yeah. Is it like, some stories say she's one, some stories say she's the other. Or is it like, collectively, it's unclear.

Cristina: I think she is definitely a fairy lady. Ghost. A ghost fairy lady. Got you for sure. She's usually. I didn't talk about this last time. I didn't realize she was. How short she is. Because, you know, if you remember, the other fairies are the short people.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Well, she could be between 1 to.

Jack: 4Ft tall, so not human.

Cristina: Yeah, so that goes. They say it goes along with her being an old lady, but also to show that she's a fairy lady. So although in different stories we talked about she could be a young lady. Little girl. Did we say little girl or just a young lady to old lady age range?

Jack: No, I think we saw this before she was an old lady. So there's more range here.

Cristina: There's more range?

Jack: Yes. Before we establish she was an old lady. And there's more range because she's not just an old lady.

Cristina: She's a fairy lady. No, she's a short lady.

Jack: So short said she could be a young lady.

Cristina: Last time. I'm pretty sure I said she could be a young lady.

Jack: Oh, really?

Cristina: I don't remember. There was like, three age ranges. The young, the middle age, and the very old. You remember that?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay, well, that was last time. This time I'm just talking about her being old because I didn't realize how short she was. But that doesn't matter. What matters, though, is that she's usually the ghost of a murdered lady or a ghost of a mother who died at childbirth. Those are important.

Jack: Yes. Okay.

Cristina: And if you remember, she sings or mourns over the death of family members. Because it's like every family in Ireland has a banshee.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Well, not every, but the ones that come that have their blood from Ireland, of the first people that took over, remember there was a people that fought the fairies, and that's when the fairies disappeared.

Jack: So they're all descendants of St. Patrick?

Cristina: No, of the Malaysians. I think they were called those people. And if you have their blood, then you have a banshee.

Jack: Hold the f*** up. The Irish are just Malaysians.

Cristina: That's how I think it's pronounced. I'm not sure if that's the correct way it's pronounced.

Jack: What is Malaysian people from Malaysia?

Cristina: No. Then it's probably not the same Malaysia that you're thinking about. Is this other word that looks very similar to that.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I don't think they're connected. Well, sometimes they could be a predictor of death. They could be crying before someone dies. I don't know how they can tell, because usually you find out the person died afterwards anyways. And even if the person died far away, they'll get the news of the death from her crying. And that would be kind of their warning that something bad happened to their family member. Also, there's some moments where a bunch of banshees are crying. I didn't know that.

Jack: During tragedies, maybe.

Cristina: Well, for them, it means that if a person. For someone who's. For someone who's great or holy, they'll cry. A bunch of them will cry for that person.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Like, I guess the great. Like king or holy, like a saint? I don't know.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And then a bunch of them will cry. I don't know why they care, but they care a lot. And in Welsh folklore, there's also a ghost that cries before a person dies.

Jack: And in similar Dubanche, just in that.

Cristina: Way that it's crying. It's a voice that's crying, but it's.

Jack: Not, like, super short thing.

Cristina: A short thing like a.

Jack: Like a fairy.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know. I don't know if they consider. When it comes to things outside of Ireland, I don't know if they consider it as a ferry. I think they're just ghosts.

Jack: Yeah. I don't mean, like, it's called a fairy.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I'm saying, like, is it, like, is the description the same being?

Cristina: The only thing I got from the description of this ghost is that it has a voice that they hear. I don't think they see this ghost.

Jack: Got you, got you, got you.

Cristina: And then in Scottish folklore, there's, like, three different creatures that are like this. Can I call them creatures or ghosts? Three different ghost stories that are similar. One is called the Little washer Woman. And when they see her, she's usually washing clothes of people who are about to die. So if she's washing her clothes, I guess, you know, I'm about to die.

Jack: How do they know it's her? What does she look like?

Cristina: I think she's actually kind of described as the same as the banshee as the old lady. Like, she's an old lady washing clothes.

Jack: Got it, got it.

Cristina: And then in a second one from Scottish folklore, she's called a weeper.

Jack: I have heard that before.

Cristina: The weeper.

Jack: Yeah, I've heard that before.

Cristina: Okay. Well, do you. What do you know about her?

Jack: I don't know anything about the name.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, she also cries predicting death from her cries. She likes to cry at night by waterfalls, stream or lakes, and in glens or mountainsides. She's very found in very specific locations in Ireland. I mean, Scottish Scotland.

Jack: And she also looks like a fairy.

Cristina: We'll say old lady. Got you, old lady, because fairy. I don't know. I don't know. I guess, like the fairy banshee. Yes.

Jack: Sure looks like a banshee. We'll leave it there.

Cristina: She cries over the death of people who are killed in battle. Those are the specific weepers. Yeah, the weeper. It's just people who died in battle. She'll cry for them. And her cries cause people anxiety for their children that are in war because, you know, like, they're like, is it my child that's gonna be dead? Or whatever. Pz, you don't know. Who's she crying for? And there was an event, though, the Massacre of glencoe. And the McDonald's weeper was heard crying all night. People who heard her crying left the place before the massacre.

Jack: So those people lived and then everybody else died.

Cristina: Yeah, everyone else died.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Yep. And she sounds a lot like the banshee, though, in that they're like. Well, I don't know if the banshee really predicts death, but we can't really tell from when she cries to when they find the death of people.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So, like, it seems like she stops crying when you find the body. So it could be that she's predicting as well.

Jack: Does she sound like she's luring you to the body? Is the cry always heard from the direction of the dead?

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't think so. I just think, like, once you do get the news, then the crying stops.

Jack: I wonder if there's a movie about banshees.

Cristina: Probably. I bet Supernatural has all these creatures.

Jack: Yeah, definitely. They've come across a banshee before.

Cristina: Yeah. And then there's the third version of the Scottish folklore thing because they have so many. Many, I guess, of this similar banshee ghost thing. And it's. This one's kind of creepy. It's when you're sick and you're about to die, she's gonna be outside your door crying.

Jack: But you don't know it's her.

Cristina: No, I guess not. But still, if you hear a lady crying, you're probably like, oh, I guess. I guess this is it. If you're sick and dying in bed.

Jack: That means you're probably in a hospital, in which case you just hear some random person you don't know crying.

Cristina: That's so freaky.

Jack: It just probably means somebody already died in the hospital.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: And that's exactly where you're at.

Cristina: Because maybe before hospitals were a thing and you were just dying at home. That would be creepy then.

Jack: Unless it's so bad you know you're gonna die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then everybody around you knows it could just be somebody, you know crying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's only if you're in your house and you hear somebody who isn't familiar crying.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that would be very creepy, though. Yeah. There's. In Latin America folklore, her name is La Giorona, and that means the Weeping Woman or the weeper.

Jack: Yes, the same thing.

Cristina: Okay. It's the same thing. The Weeping Woman.

Jack: And I'm assuming all the rule sets.

Cristina: Work the same this One's a little.

Jack: More complicated because La Giorona sounds like the woman in the white dress. That is usually what they call her.

Cristina: Yes. There is some connection with this one, I guess.

Jack: Yes, yes, I'm very familiar with La Giorona in Latin American culture. That one is identical to the lady in the white dress. You take her home and she goes in and she left. Some bullshit. And you try to take it and then they're like. She was always been dead.

Cristina: Yes. She's always wearing white, I guess, is what she has in common with the woman in white.

Jack: So you're telling me the woman in white and the weeper fused to create La Giorona?

Cristina: Well, she's a little more complicated though, than the woman in white, because in her story, you know why she's weeping?

Jack: Somebody died.

Cristina: Her children's dead.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: That's what makes her different. She's usually. She drowned her children. Is it part of her story? And I know one of her stories which. A woman who was beautiful, marries a rich man, and they had two children. And one day she finds her husband cheating on her. So she kills her children for some reason out of anger, revenge, and she regrets it immediately. And out of the guilt, she drowns herself. But she can't enter the afterlife without her children. So she haunts. She haunts, I don't know, around. She haunts places, children, I guess. I think she tries to kidnap children. Maybe, I'm not sure. But yes, the reoccurring themes though, of her story, because there's a bunch of different versions of it. And that's just one of the stories of her is the white dress, the crying and the water, because she drowns her kids in the water. So I guess.

Jack: Right. Sometimes she's wet, sometimes she looks like she just got. She was drenched.

Cristina: Yes. There are white women stories, though, that the woman is also wet, but not relating to drowning her children, usually because.

Jack: She'S out in the rain.

Cristina: Well, the one that I read, one of them was that she. I think she was in a car accident.

Jack: It was raining.

Cristina: She was in a car accident and she actually. She drowned in a lake or something.

Jack: Oh, I know one that she was in a car accident while it was raining. And there was one where she forgot her purse and in. What was it? She left her purse in a cab, got out or she lost it or some s*** like that. Oh, and then she couldn't get in because her phone or some s*** was in there. Or maybe phones didn't exist. Whatever. She couldn't get in Contact with anybody, and she wandered into the woods or whatever, and she went missing. It's because she died in the woods.

Cristina: Yeah, there's quite a few in the woods.

Jack: Yeah, it was raining. And that's why she's wet.

Cristina: That's why she's wet. The. Oh, there was one in Canada, one of their famous white women. She felt she.

Jack: Women in white.

Cristina: Women in white, they call them both ways for some reason. Either or. But the woman in white is better, I guess. And she was gonna marry someone. I think he went to war. So she. She jumped off a fall that they have over there. They have many falls. Well, she jumped off one of them in her wedding dress. Of course, that was the white dress. Not all of them died in a white dress. In a wedding dress, but they're all usually white still. The dress that they are wearing. Some of them white dresses, Some of them wedding dresses. You've heard of the wedding dress ones?

Jack: I thought they were all either a wedding dress or some variant of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I'm assuming the lady that kills her children even though she's wearing a white dress, isn't wearing her wedding dress. I don't know. That's kind of crazy. But I mean, maybe she is. Like, who knows?

Jack: Maybe she put the wedding dress on and then killed her skids.

Cristina: Yes. Whoa. I guess that. Then that's really revenge to her husband.

Jack: No, that's madness.

Cristina: That's madness. Okay, well, in Mexico, they tell these stories to the children to encourage them not to wander off after dark. So she's like a boogeyman type of situation. In America, part of their story is that they could hear her screaming or crying while she's walking around near water or in the dark. So to scare the kids from going out there. Yeah, where they don't want the kids to be. In Venezuela, the story is a little different in that she has to raise her children alone because the father died in war. And she just. I guess she got tired of that and decided, I'm gonna kill my kids. And then her spirit now kidnaps and kills other people's kids.

Jack: Okay, so it's basically the same story.

Cristina: Yeah. Except in this story, families put wooden crosses above their doors to ward her.

Jack: Off because they think she's some sort of a demon.

Cristina: Yes. Which is like the Lilith story, which I want to talk about. Lilith. Do you know her?

Jack: Lilith is a biblical creature.

Cristina: Yes. She's from the. Well, she's not really from the Bible. Like, she's not in the Bible, but in an early Jewish interpretation, Of the Bible she appears, I guess. And the first Eve, they call her because she was made like Adam in the beginning, you know, instead of Adam. And then Eve threw Adam's. What is it? His. Something.

Jack: Yes, his rib. While Adam was created. And then Eve was created from Adam to be less than Adam and his servant. To Adam, Lilith was the equivalent. And I believe she predates Adam. She wasn't made at the same time as Adam, if I'm not mistaken. I believe she was made first. As if Lilith was the first person.

Cristina: Really? Well, I'm not sure about when she was made to Adam, but they were both made from the same ground or whatever.

Jack: And Lilith is not a good person.

Cristina: Yes, she. They had problems, her and Adam, because they had sex problems. Lilith didn't want to lay down. She was not happy with that because they're equals. She doesn't want to be the bottom. And he was like, no, you have to be the bottom.

Jack: So she wants to f*** in that way where the guy is on his back with his legs pushed up and then she sits on his d*** as if she were the one f****** him, but his d*** is inside her. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She was in some weird positions.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe she wanted them standing up together.

Jack: Or maybe she was a lesbian.

Cristina: Maybe she was a lesbian.

Jack: She was the first lesbian. She's considered the first sinner.

Cristina: She's definitely not a lesbian. I think only because she does, like have sex with people. She's. Before she was in this story, she was a. What's it called? A succubus. She's pretty much a succubus.

Jack: Before she was in the Bible, she was a succubus.

Cristina: Yeah. Like they turned that story into this story because everything's based on other things. The Bible's not the first story.

Jack: So the origin from her in a different culture was a succubus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was a succubus called Lilith that then got incorporated into Christianity and became Lilith, the first woman.

Cristina: Yes. Do you know about that?

Jack: I did not know that. I knew that Lilith was the first woman and I believe she was the first human.

Cristina: You mean like her then Adam? Right?

Jack: I believe it was her then Adam. Except we wouldn't call her human.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because human was Adam and everything that came from Adam.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: Yes. The idea would be that if you make two different. Even if they look identical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Adam is one and Lilith is another. So you'd have an entire name of things that came from Lilith.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And are like Lilith, made from her literal matter.

Cristina: Well, good.

Jack: And then entire Tree coming from Adam.

Cristina: She does have children.

Jack: They are not human.

Cristina: No, they're not human.

Jack: Yeah, they're not human because human is Adam and anything that came from him. If Adam mated with Lilith, then those would be human because it would be anything that came from Adam. Yeah, but because they did not mate, it did not come from Lilith. And thus no version of Lilith's offspring are human.

Cristina: Although it's weird, because she does steal his seed and have babies from him. But they aren't humans.

Jack: That's weird, because they should be. Anything that comes from Adam is human.

Cristina: Well, I guess because it's mixing with whatever she is. If she's a whole different thing.

Jack: No, no, no. If she mated with Adam, it would still be. It would be half and half. You'd still calling them human because Adam.

Cristina: Okay, they're called Lilium, and they're earthbound demons.

Jack: Earthbound demons.

Cristina: Yes. She ran away, of course, to gain her independence, like an independent lady. Whatever. And then Adam tells on God. He's. He's like a tattletale. And then God sends three angels to her to get her back. The angels find her in a cave giving birth to their children, and they. And she refuses to go to the garden, so they kill a hundred of her children. I wonder how she reproduces. I wonder what the number was. Unless it was 100 kids and they killed. That or there was, like, she had a thousand and they killed 100 of her thousand kids. But they say, we're gonna come here every day and kill a hundred of your kids every single day until you come back to the garden.

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: Yes. So in her revenge, she kills children. Regular kids, I guess, because we're all part of Adam now. So she's killing us.

Jack: Fair enough. She's just taking revenge on Adam's entire bloodline.

Cristina: Yeah. So the death of stillborns and crib deaths are blamed on her.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Lilith is pretty cool. I don't know. There's like, a debate on, like, is she good? Is she bad?

Jack: No. Lilith is bad no matter what.

Cristina: I know. There's just women who look at her.

Jack: Well, she's not bad bad the way Lucifer is bad.

Cristina: What way is that?

Jack: That he didn't really do anything bad.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She had an opinion.

Cristina: Yeah, well, raping people is not good. When she got there, I guess that was bad.

Jack: Well, she was initially not bad.

Cristina: Yeah, she was initially not bad until the angels killed her children, which then.

Jack: Makes it questionable whether she's bad or scarred.

Cristina: Or scarred. Yeah. And then there's In Ancient Greek, a lady named Lamia, she was having affair with Zeus. So his wife Hera killed. Well, didn't kill her. Killed her children. That's one of the stories. She killed her children and then Lamia kills other women's children. And then in the second story, Zeus's wife forced Lamia to eat her own children. And then Zeus gave her shape shifting abilities, which I think is interesting, that she's a shape shifting monster that eats children, which she should have been in our other episode about shapeshifters that we did about eating, but that was about blood drinking, shapeshifting.

Jack: Yeah, it was about blood suckers.

Cristina: Yeah. But she's a shapeshifter who eats children and might have eaten her own children because of Seuss wife. And today she's used as a boogeyman to frighten children. Similar to Il Cuckoo. And then the most popular version, this is a white lady. She's everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. There's no country that doesn't have this story.

Cristina: Even the people we mentioned before this point were probably white ladies. They were probably all dressed in white.

Jack: Yeah. That's what's kind of fascinating about the white lady, that out of all these arguments that one might be the possible one because there's so much s***. But then the thing is, people have stories of oh no, she's this and no, she's that. No, there's a f****** creature that happens to look like a lady in a white dress or something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's everywhere. It's similar to the problem of a chupacabra. You've seen it too many places to say. It's just here now there is the regional story equivalent where. Well, we believe in these things. So it has to take this form when we tell the story. Yeah, but there's one thing they're all talking about that's similar enough difference between Sasquatch and Bigfoot and Yeti is there's the same s***. It's regional. But there's a thing you're talking about.

Cristina: Yeah. Like even the white lady would look different in like her facial features or something. If you had a draw her, she.

Jack: Might in the Middle east she probably has reddish skin. If you're in Asia, she has yellowish skin. If you're in Europe, she probably has really milky skin. If you're in Africa, she probably has dark brown skin. But you're talking about the same f****** thing.

Cristina: Yes, she does the same exact thing.

Jack: All the same things.

Cristina: Yes, all the same.

Jack: So it's basically we could just say that the lady in white is A Banshee?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. The only interesting. Really interesting thing about the Banshee is that it's family related. So I wonder if the white lady. There's stuff like that. Like you hear her or you see her, if you're somehow related to her family and you just don't know how you're related. Because we have no idea how related we are to a stranger we meet.

Jack: Man. Here's the. Here's the interesting division between the lady in white and the Banshee. The problem is that the Banshee is you're totally. It doesn't have to be family related, but it's warning you of a death of somebody close.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she's crying at your location.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The woman in white doesn't do that. You encounter her in the middle of f****** nowhere.

Cristina: She might be crying in some stories, I'm sure there's a story. She's crying.

Jack: Who's lady in white?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, I'm not saying that she doesn't cry.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I think she's always crying.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I'm saying she's not at your house.

Cristina: There's no warning.

Jack: Yeah. She's not at your home crying. She's always wandering the f******, like, side of the woods or some s*** when you see her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On the road or some crap. Hitchhiking.

Cristina: Yeah. She's always. It's about her life because she's always based on a real person who died in a real tragedy.

Jack: But that's when we tell the story. Like if we break it down to what this really might be and we compare it to the banshee.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have two different things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're not the same. Now, everything else we've discussed, I think would fall into one of these two categories.

Cristina: The white lady or the Banshee.

Jack: The white lady or the banshee. I think those are the only two real creatures we've heard about so far. And then the story equivalents. So we've heard of either the Chupacabra or the Yeti and everything else. Like, let's say the f****** creature in the middle of this place. And it's a shapeshifter. Okay. You mean the Chupacabra.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or, well, this. Bigfoot. No, you mean the Yeti.

Cristina: So then Lilith fits more with a white lady.

Jack: Lilith fits more with the white lady. Yes. Or Lilith might be her own thing, though she might be unrelated.

Cristina: Okay. She is a ghost and she's killing kids.

Jack: It sounds like she's Intentional.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But then based on the story, she would be the White Lady. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: He's a white lady. It's not the ones that we're about to talk about, but the ones from Mexico. Or not Mexico, but the South American one that we were talking about. She. It sounds like she wants to kill kids too, because she killed her own kids and she wants to take a ghost with her so she can go to the afterlife kind of situation then.

Jack: Man. It's interesting because it defers quite heavily with the lady in White from North America. She's not a. The lady in white isn't a woman with children at all. As far as we know. She usually dies in her teenage years. Maybe like 17 or 18.

Cristina: She's always young.

Jack: Yeah. And you take her to the house. She was just looking for a ride. She didn't do anything weird to you or anything. Just took her home and she forgot something in the car. And then you take it back to find out that's impossible. She's been dead.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, my gosh. I do remember a connection to her and the Banshee, though. The original version of the Woman in White.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: There's a popular medieval legend about the Woman in White where she appears in the house of a family member who is soon to die. She's seen as the ghost of the deceased ancestor of that person. That sounds exactly like the man.

Jack: She and the lady in White.

Cristina: And yes.

Jack: She's feeling both. Rose. She's feeling both somebody who's already dead showing up and sort of an omen of death at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah. Like now she's not that version, but this. The older version of the original. The origin. Is that better? Origin.

Jack: Now, this is what's crazy. We have the lady in wine too many places. Obviously, she's not one person. Meaning. But it's also problematic to say that there's a bunch of this exact same circumstance happening. Coincidence would be too exaggerated at this point. There'd be thousands of the same scenario.

Cristina: But there are. It feels like there are.

Jack: Well, let's be reasonable about that. Obviously, the story is being told the same. But whatever they're telling the story about.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is one thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, just being reasonable about it. There's a creature, not a person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who seems like a person. Could identifiably be a person. But we could also say the same thing about a succubus or a vampire. They look like people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they're not mermaid like. It looks like a person, but it's not, you know, Siren.

Cristina: Yes, it.

Jack: It's not, but it looks like it.

Cristina: Okay, so these fairy ghosts are not ghosts, but more fairy, like for their own creature.

Jack: Well, depends on whether they're. Well, I guess we, we at this point we'd be leaving the fairy definition of Ireland fairies and be talking about maybe not necessarily fairies, because western fairies in our region of Western is more like. I guess. No, those aren't even f******. I guess it would be Asian fairies that we here in the United States envision are little people with wings.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So it's wrong to say fairy because whether we're talking Irish or North American, we're kind of off about what the f*** we're talking about. But it is some sort of entity.

Cristina: Yes. That's why I feel like the Irish one is the closest, because it is an entity.

Jack: But it's not a fairy tale.

Cristina: It's not a fairy.

Jack: It's not a fairy. Doesn't fit the description of fairy. Which are little people.

Cristina: Well, they don't. They're not always little people. Just a lot of the time. They're little people a lot of the time. But that doesn't mean they're always like that just fits the story. So they mentioned that one the most, maybe to make them all seem the same.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: But that could have been, you know, like the story could have been different before. Like maybe fairy people did. Were our size before.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: They only shrunk in Ireland. They could be spread out. Spread out and just as tall as.

Jack: You know, their normal woman in white and the banshee might be the two variants with Lilith as an exception. That is she is a creature of her own. Or the woman in white. She's the only out of the women in white equivalents. She stands out the most. But she still fits the suit in some categories. While the banshee seems to be a whole other s***. Just warning. And then we have this weird cross pollination of that one event of warning.

Cristina: And also being dead. Yeah. So I don't know more than one creature. One creature.

Jack: I think two creatures, bare minimum. I think three creatures max.

Cristina: Three creatures max.

Jack: I think we're talking about two to three different creatures. And everything else is a regional variant.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People just telling the story a different way.

Cristina: Mm. Probably. Yes. Yes, I think so.

Jack: Interesting. And they look like people is one of the characteristics.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They usually embody somebody who's dead. They aren't somebody who's dead.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They appear to appear to be the person who said, if you're a Woman in white.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So whatever that creature is always shows up in white. Even if that person was probably not even wearing white. Maybe there's something about their transformation into that person that only allows that to be the color.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they always look to be wearing white. Thus the woman in white, even if she died in a blue dress, when.

Cristina: You see her, it might be the same dress, but not white.

Jack: Exactly. Maybe they can't imitate these colors. Yeah, maybe we are talking about some sort of shapeshifter that can only embody somebody dead.

Cristina: Oh, you think a shapeshifter? But then that's more fairy, like, because they're very shape shifter too, like.

Jack: Yeah. So they could definitely embody somebody who's only dead. And that's why the story is always the same. Oh, no, it's not possible. And somehow they get the memories of the person too, because they often ask to go to the same place that the person used to live.

Cristina: Yes, Yes. A lot of them are the same place.

Jack: They're hunting the children of people similar.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Those that are doing that are feeding. So we can say the same creature two different instances. In one case, they still have the memories of the person somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That being said, all of that being said, maybe the lady in white. Holy crap. Isn't even on the side. We forget to keep talking about this, but maybe they're from the shadow freaking realm.

Cristina: That's where the fairies are from. That's where the banshees from. That's why I keep saying she's a banshee.

Jack: Maybe we're seeing. Maybe she's not taking the form of anything. Maybe we're just seeing her shadow form. Her.

Cristina: You know?

Jack: Yeah, her. This side form from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. And it might appear as this person or that person. Or maybe using that energy from when.

Cristina: We see her feed, though it matches up with Lilith in that it's children.

Jack: Yes. So there are creatures over there feeding on children from over here?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That's a strange one. So far, I don't think there's any banshee eating children, though. But when it comes to women in.

Jack: White, maybe Lilith is the first. Similar to, like, Dracula.

Cristina: I mean. Yeah. Like she has children. They're demons. But maybe they're not really demons the way we think of demons.

Jack: Maybe she spawned whatever creature the women in white are.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Oh, you know, that's so crazy. There's a place, though, that there's like 300 stories of the women in white, which, like, they're called. They're actually Called the Maidens of the name of the location of the place. Because there's so many.

Jack: Fascinating. So there might be a breeding ground.

Cristina: That's so crazy now.

Jack: It's not a breeding ground on this.

Cristina: Side, but it seems like it because they do. There are stories of the real ladies that died. Well that match up.

Jack: You know, the creatures aren't breeding on this side. The creatures manifest where there's energy to manifest through, as we've established. And if all these people have died in this area, there is more than enough sorrow and fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To go around. And so they can heavily manifest. So haunted areas are just places with enough energy for these creatures to manifest most vividly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the more haunted you are.

Cristina: That's why there's so many women in white in a lot of places. But in this specific, in eastern Russia is where they're at, where there's like a ridiculous amount. It says like 350 of them.

Jack: So then the question would be in that area that they're in, was there some sort of tragedy? Is it considered particularly scary place or a haunted place place or something along those lines that could allow there. We know emotions allow shadow beings to manifest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Specifically fear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is the most powerful of them all.

Cristina: That place is scary.

Jack: Are people scared of that place?

Cristina: I don't know if people are.

Jack: Because it could be self perpetuating. It could be. There was one story, people got a little freaked out about that story. But the fear surrounding every time people went through there allowed two or three to manifest. But then the experience is multiplied because their experience, more people had the same story to tell, which then created more fears. People would go through there, which then in return allowed more fear to linger and more to form. And little by little, anyone have to.

Cristina: Die for these things to be born.

Jack: Maybe just the first lady. Somebody saw something, maybe the right person. Here's what usually happens. Right. Somebody who doesn't know the person goes through, sees the lady in white. There was enough energy, enough here. Whatever case might be, pick the lady in white up. Either their children die or they take the lady to her home, quote home, unquote. And her father tells you the same bullshit. Sorry, she's been there. A little weird event that happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But maybe this is the one time that the father was the one driving down the street and he sees his f****** daughter and he freaks out and she gets in the car, he's like, what the f***? Or somebody who does know her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A family member or something like that. Bob. Her cousin, who didn't know and came the visitor or some s*** drives her to the house. Now the fear is so immense because I saw her.

Cristina: Everyone that knows her is seeing her.

Jack: We saw her. We saw her. She was there. We saw her. This place is haunted. That must have been a demon or something. Now the fear is real. Real.

Cristina: That's why certain locations are haunted. Because everyone's seeing her there. But only like it just took one person seeing her there for a bunch of people to see her there. And then she became a real thing there.

Jack: People have seen the lady in white in different places and they're unrelated. So it's not as scary. It had to be. In order for this place to be of mass ground, some series of events had to lead to the amount of fear that there is relative. Because otherwise every place would have that same amount.

Cristina: So then something else must have happened.

Jack: I'm telling you how it happened. It was somebody who might have known her.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Opposite to a stranger. A stranger picked her up. They were only scared after they were told the story. Somebody who knows or sees her. Holy s***. I was at the funeral.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now you're like, I'm never going down the street again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you had to go down there one day for whatever reason, but you didn't see her, but you went through there so panicked the person behind you saw her.

Cristina: Have we ever talked about the haunted road like this though? Like maybe that's why it's so freaking.

Jack: Haunted instead of being a space anomaly.

Cristina: Yeah. What if it's not a space anomaly but some weird energy thing is happening? Like this place?

Jack: Definitely could be. It could. Well we've established that maybe it's not the streets, that the street itself that's haunted, but the forest, the woods themselves are haunted. We just didn't know what we meant by haunted. And what we meant by haunted is creatures from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Cut through because of fear.

Cristina: So there's no such thing as haunted in Linton Road? Yeah, there's a hoarder of creatures in there, but not real creatures, shadow creatures.

Jack: They're real creatures. They're just from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes. And in this place in Russia, man, that's so crazy. 350. This is a lot of ghosts. Yeah.

Jack: So I think that's how it happened. It self perpetuated. Somebody saw it, freaked out. It was real fear. Like way more fear than just getting told the story. You saw the person you know is dead. You tell they're like, no f****** way, you're losing your mind. But now they're kind of freaked out. Like maybe he's telling the truth. Rolling down the same street. You see her too? Oh, s***.

Cristina: Yeah. It's interesting because none of these stories, it's random lady. Like, you have a real person who's died or supposedly this person really died.

Jack: I think whatever. Creed. I think they're all. I think we could call them all. D*** it. The problem is we don't have a name for it. The question is, is it different from a banshee? And I think it is. I think the lady in white is different from the banshee.

Cristina: But we can agree they're both shadow people.

Jack: I think they're both shadow creatures. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they're both shadow creatures, and I think the banshee is the harmless one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The banshee is probably the more scary one because it's screaming. Cries, yes. Like, you'll be way more horrified to encounter a banshee, but you're way more in danger with the lady in white. The question is, what creature is the lady in white? Because we know the banshee is some sort of warning creature.

Cristina: Yeah. While the lady in white is just sometimes. Sometimes wants to eat some children. There's some, though, ghost stories I just remembered about. She wants to share gold with people. I don't know why. She has like a gold, like, treasures.

Jack: Oh, no, that's a trap.

Cristina: That's. No. Well, it depends because sometimes she's like, you could have half, and if you're greedy, then death on you. But if you listen to her, she'll. She'll really give it to you. I don't know if there's one stories that there are traps, but the ones that I read, she's honest until you're greedy and then you're dead.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But I don't know how that relates. But that's just an interesting thing I remembered about some of the white lady stories or the lady in white stories. There's another ghost that's similar to the lady in white, but she's not the lady in white. She's a ghost in Nigerian and African schools. She haunts the schools and like, the places the kids are sleeping. Like the boarding schools. That's what they're called. Whatever. And her name is Madame Koikoi. Well, she haunts the schools and she wears red heels. And she is popular in Nigeria, Ghana and South Africa. In Nigeria, there are two origin stories for her. In the first story of Lady Kokoi, she was a beautiful teacher. She liked to be her students. And she was fired for slapping a Student. And one day when she was going home, a car hit her and she died. And then she swore revenge on the school and the students for some reason. And then after she died, I guess while she was dying. And then she haunts the school.

Jack: How is she related to anything? Why did we learn about this one?

Cristina: Because she's a ghost lady. I guess that's how she relates.

Jack: There's a lady? Million other ghost ladies. How do you pick this one?

Cristina: I don't remember. Cuz she's really famous. Like the white lady in white. She's famous everywhere.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: This lady's famous everywhere around Africa.

Jack: Yeah, but the lady in white and the Banshee are heavily related in that they're both women, both crying, both surrounding the concept of death.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: This is just some random lady who died.

Cristina: Yes. Who kills her children. Which is like those ghost stories where they. She kills children.

Jack: Like the white lady in white.

Cristina: Yeah, the lady in white kills children. Except this lady's killing school children because of her death.

Jack: In a specific school?

Cristina: In specific schools. Yes.

Jack: No, in a specific school. Or does she like swear revenge on the board of education?

Cristina: No, no, no. I guess depending on the school you're at, she's haunting your school because that's how spread out her story is. So.

Jack: So her story is too specific. In the case of the lady in white, there is variance.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here is the same story.

Cristina: Yes. With different origin stories, though just like little changes to them, but which makes.

Jack: This one sound way less likely.

Cristina: Okay. Even though they're all almost the same. Although one of them, the students, killed her by accident. They were tired of her beating them up, so they beat her up themselves. And one of them killed her with her own shoe. And then she started killing them off one by one like a horror movie.

Jack: So Final Destination.

Cristina: Yeah. So that was pretty interesting. And then there's these other things which I think relate more to the Banshee. And that's why I looked this up. But it doesn't. I don't think we'll find any relations with the women. And why? Because there's these things called psychopomp. I think that's how you pronounce it. And it means the guide of spirits. They're the creatures, spirits, angels or deities. And many different cultures and religions that guide the deceased from earth to the afterlife. Because we don't know if the Banshee is doing that.

Jack: Maybe you mean reapers.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess reapers is a version of it. Because there's many different versions of these things that just. They come when you're dead and they take you to the next place. And who says the banshee's not doing that? Like, maybe they're just crying until you die and then they walk away with you.

Jack: We don't know you aren't dying when a banshee shows up. Banshee's crying because somebody died and they're letting you know.

Cristina: No, but they're crying until that person is dead though. Like why? What if they stopped crying because they're now taking the soul to the next place?

Jack: That'd be weird. Because if somebody's dying far away, they're with you while that person far away is dying. So they're warning you about a person they're not around.

Cristina: Well, they're taking it as a warning. They're not. Like it might not really be a warning to you. They just happen to live where you're living. Like they maybe didn't want to leave Ireland because they love Ireland. It's their home.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I feel like you totally missed everything I just said. The ban. She warns you about somebody dying or about to die. See, regardless of where the person who's dying or about to die might be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She's around the people that would care. Oh, okay, so she's not around the dying person.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She. How she delivering the soul if she's nowhere near the dying person?

Cristina: No, I guess not.

Jack: So she would be just like a warning system.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then the reaper is a deliverer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This other creature.

Cristina: Yeah, but the reaper, I guess I'm sure there's another creature that's she.

Jack: I think there's a system of creatures that function in non harmful ways, as well as a sisters and ecosystem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As well as the system of creatures that function in exclusively harmful ways. Like a wet church.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which is vicious and dangerous for no f****** reason. So I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking that the banshee in this case is harmless, as is the reaper.

Cristina: Yeah. He's just there to collect the soul.

Jack: Yeah. I think those are delivery beings to some degree.

Cristina: One example of the guide of souls that I like. They, they depict them as animals besides of spirits and creatures and stuff like that. They also see them as animals that are warning, I mean, that are there for the dead. In different cultures. It could be horses, deers, dogs, ravens, crows, vultures. There's a bunch of different animals. But the one that I think is the most famous of the animals are birds. Like if you see a huge amount of birds waiting outside a home of the dying, you're like they're here for that person. Well, I think that's the most famous cyberpunk.

Jack: It's well known for the crows.

Cristina: The crow. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So crows are considered an omen of death, as well as black cats.

Cristina: Yeah. So those are the animals that are gonna, I guess, take the soul with them.

Jack: Interesting that you would say that, because in both the case of crows and the case of cats, they're usually not being noisy or anything. They're just waiting.

Cristina: They're just waiting.

Jack: They're just waiting. Specifically cats. Black cats. A black cat sitting on you while you are in a hospital is a bad sign.

Cristina: Okay, that's interesting.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's about to wait for your soul.

Cristina: Actually, I've heard of dogs, too. Of dogs in the hospitals would do the same. Like they would go to the person who's about to die.

Jack: Yeah. Before they die. Like they know ahead of time you can smell the death.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, maybe they're not smelling it. Maybe that's not any normal dog.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or if these deliverers can take over.

Cristina: Creatures, that's possible too.

Jack: Maybe it is a normal dog. Until the liver takes over its body and patiently waits.

Cristina: Mm. What do you think of that? That's pretty interesting.

Jack: So it's a possession that's not violent?

Cristina: No, it's very peaceful in a way. Like the death. Or hopefully the death is as peaceful. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. The shadow realm has quite a couple of weird things in there. We got to keep these investigations going. I must see if I can catch. Like I said, with more information that we get, maybe catching a banshee becomes possible.

Cristina: Oh, snap.

Jack: Using science, using any means, we might come across any information based on what we learned. Right. I'll know more where to find a banshee as well as, apparently, I gotta find a woman in white to see if that is a creature of its own. The banshee doesn't seem harmful. The woman in white seems dangerous.

Cristina: What if she's the bad version of the banshee, like we had? Did we decide to scrap that idea?

Jack: No, I. I know what you're talking about, and I was thinking about it earlier, which was that maybe the woman in white is a type of banshee that has become feral. A feral banshee.

Cristina: That's what you were calling them. Feral. Right.

Jack: But the only difference is that we don't know that a banshee has lost anybody or that the banshee has even died. The banshee might not never have been human.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: Then Again, the lady in white might just be inhabiting humans or looking like humans that were once alive.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they might not necessarily have ever been humans either. It's still. They sound so different either way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like we can see how a wet judge and a wendingo are the same.

Cristina: But they don't look the same either.

Jack: They behave so similarly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While these two. Like, they behave so similarly and similar to werewolf, almost.

Cristina: Yeah, There's.

Jack: There's real tight connections there.

Cristina: Well, in.

Jack: While here, there's the big discrepancy in behavior. Like, big. The only commonality is the crying. And not all the women in white cry.

Cristina: No. But a lot of them, I think, do.

Jack: Yeah. So there are some. And the person might have actually died. That's. I guess that's another similarity. They think the person who died became the banshee.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They think it could just be that this creature is taking the shape of somebody dead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To then warn them of death.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I guess there are some similarities to look at.

Cristina: So you might find a connection that we're not even thinking about right now.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Exactly. There's a line I'm not even thinking about.

Cristina: Yep. Interesting. The psychotrop. In ancient Egypt, they had a God named Anebus. Do you remember him?

Jack: Right, he's the sort of Egyptian God of death or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. He's the. He's a guide of souls.

Jack: Oh, yeah. He's a spirit guide. He's actually not the guide. He's not the death bringer. No, he's the soul deliverer. He's the soul deliverer who delivers it to. Who's gonna weigh it.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, that's exactly. So he's a. Whatever these are called again.

Jack: Reapers.

Cristina: Yep. Reapers. I guess reapers are easier word than calling them psychotomps.

Jack: Maybe it's the same thing. Maybe we're literally talking about the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. In the Greek mythology, there's the ferryman. Sharon. I don't know his name, but I know the Greek. You know, the ferryman from Hades, that you have to go on his boat to go to the.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: River. Across the river.

Jack: The river Styx.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So when you die, a family member puts a coin on you so that when your spirit goes there, you could pay. And if you don't pay, you got to stay there a hundred years and wait again to cross. So. And then in Norse mythology, the Valkyries are choosing their favorite warriors to go to Valhalla to be part of Odin's army, because he's preparing for Ragnarok So he's building this army. So they're taking the best warriors for that. And then in modern day, the Jewish reaper is the archangel Samuel, whose row is both as the angel of death and the accuser. I don't know if you heard of that archangel.

Jack: No.

Cristina: And then in many cultures, there's the shaman who both plays the. That person that takes the soul to the dead, but also helps bring people to. Helps in giving birth to people. Like, I guess he would be there when you're. You're giving birth to your child.

Jack: The shaman.

Cristina: The shaman.

Jack: Interesting that I've never heard that name for it. But a very old version of reapers that I've heard are the same, and they're represented with the numbers 1 and 9. And the goal is that they bring their soul delivery in every direction.

Cristina: Yes. Well, the shamans are like that. Yes, exactly like that.

Jack: So the reaper I was thinking about this whole time was a shaman.

Cristina: Yep. Wow. And then in the Philippine culture, they think that the ancestor spirits are the ones that are the reapers. When a person who's dying calls out to call someone's name that's, I guess, dead. Like if you called your mother's name while you were dying, then it's because your mom is there to take you to the next life.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And that's their thing. And that's pretty interesting because a lot of people probably say someone who's dead already name or whatever. But in. And In Christianity, there's St. Peter, Michael the Archangel and Jesus are thought of as the reaper. Yep, yep, yep.

Jack: Anyways, we're out of time, and that is definitely fascinating. I didn't know how closely related to banshees the women in white were, but there's definitely some lines crossing there. So as we go and find ourselves one of these s****, we got a experiment. Experiment. We got to find out. Because if we find two different things, that's crazy, but maybe they are related the way a wendingo wetcha and a werewolf are.

Cristina: Yes. Like, it's. It's gotta be. It's there. Like we can, like, glimpse at it. We can't really see it as well as those creatures, but it's like there's a tiny glimpse of.

Jack: There's some connection.

Cristina: Connection?

Jack: Yeah, they're either similar or the same.

Cristina: In different ways or like they're different types of the same thing.

Jack: Like a beaver and a badger.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, that's a good example. If you guys heard the shadow people story, not the shadow people. Which episode was that with the beaver and the badger?

Jack: And that was the Shadow Realm. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. You guys check that episode out.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you guys are interested in things of this nature, episodes of this type, there are many, many, many. We're building our understanding of the Shadow Realm as we move forward in order to capture some of these f****** on this side and find out what the h*** is going on with that.

Cristina: It feels like we're playing Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Catch them all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so, I mean, our prison is getting nice and packed. I like it. I mean, it's 95% just like reptilians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that's fine. Whatever. It's like, it's realistically 99% reptilian. It's a f****** planet worth of Reptilians and random s*** we added to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like really, like 99.99% reptilians.

Cristina: That's a lot of Reptilians.

Jack: Yeah, but we got other s*** in there. Cat people and our guards who are subhumans. Oh, there's a s*** ton of cat people.

Cristina: Yeah. And roach people. I'm not sure. No, no, that's rare because we killed.

Jack: We destroyed a lot of them. Anything that was left was just not on planet.

Cristina: Yeah. So a few roach people, but they probably don't. They multiply like crazy. Yeah.

Jack: They're probably building an army.

Cristina: So. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, there's probably war gonna happen at some point, but we got Reptilians to toss at them.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We're ready. We're getting ready. We just got to brainwash everybody we got.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we might have, like, ethereal beings on our side. Whatever. Anyways, if you guys want to hear more of those episodes, you can find the Shadow Realm episode. There's a Shadow Piece People episode, which is part of Groundhog Day episode, which you found out about all this s*** in the first place. And some Adrenochrome episodes and s*** of that nature to get caught up on what we're talking about.

Cristina: If this lawsuit and the Ireland episode, the Irish folklore.

Jack: Yes. So you can find all of those things@graythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe and to rate. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, word of mouth. Very important. Find people who watch that garbage f****** show. Ghost. Ghost Adventures, where the guy gets that super Buff, jacked up guy who could, like, knock out a ghost in one shot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is just scared of everything he ever sees. See, if you know people who like that, then send them over here like this, tell them about this show, and they'll tune in and realize, oh, that's what they saw over there in Ghost Adventures.

Cristina: That's why they were that scared.

Jack: That's why they were that scared. Or that guy's a b****. That is a total coward. So, yeah, no, you could do that. Tell your friends, be like, hey, you like ghosts? I gotta show about ghosts for you.

Cristina: Ghostbusters. Yes, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. He's scooping the poop.

Cristina: Who's poop?

Jack: He's scooping his own poop.

Cristina: His own pool.

Jack: He says it. He's scoop of the poop. Scoop of the poopa de poop. Scooping the poop that you scoop. He's scooping the poop that.

Cristina: I don't know if that's right.

Jack: Amen. We know he's scooping poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know the poops being scooped.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: In order for this poop to be scooped, there must have been poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So somebody pooped. No other characters are mentioned in the story other than the fact that he's scooping poop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no cats, there's no dogs. There's no. No other person. Nothing else is mentioned other than the fact that he, the singular character, is.

Cristina: Cooping poop, but he doesn't say it's his poop. What if it was just poop?

Jack: It's not. It's from where? There's no other characters in the story. No other characters in the story. There's one character.

Cristina: Mention of someone else.

Jack: No, there's one character in the story. Him scooping the poop. Meaning it's his poopy scooping. Okay, this is writing 101.

Cristina: Okay. It's his poop.

Jack: It's not a magical poop that popped out of nowhere and just exists without a beginning and end. How do you know it's just always existed there?

Cristina: Yeah, that's why he's always scooping it, because it keeps reappearing.

Jack: No, the song is about the one time he pooped and then he scooped his poop.

Cristina: Just one moment.

Jack: Yes. It's about. Isn't that all songs are about a moment or an event, a series of events related to each other? If it's not one moment. But this sounds like a song about one moment where he was just scooping poop.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 124: Jesus the Easter Vampire

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Did Jesus really come back to life? Was he really the son of God? Was he performing miracles? The life of Jesus and the meaning of Easter dissected on this Easter Special!

The duo dust off the original biblical scriptures and comb through searching for the truth behind who and what Jesus Christ was. In doing so they come across what seems like similarities between the story of Christ and Bram Stoker’s Dracula. What they discover as they dive deeper will forever change what we think of Jesus Christ forever!

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Topics Discussed:

  • Egg Stealing
  • Criminal Organization
  • Con Artist
  • Holy Sperm
  • Mary’s Rape
  • Vampirism
  • Vampire Blood
  • Search for Immortality
  • Illusionist
  • Vampiric Powers
  • Seth, the Ancient Vampire
  • Vampire Hunters

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation podcast. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't. Not yet. Not done it, you should its goats to the subscribit button to click its and get notify. It's the moment new episodes are released.

Cristina: That's horrible.

Jack: That's how they talked in the olden days.

Cristina: No, I don't know. They did talk horribly. Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions. Any views on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure that since the holidays are coming, the great hot. Is it a holiday? Whatever. Easter is on its way to find a loved one and get chocolate. Cuz Jesus is gonna steal your eggs and rabbits. Yes, something like that.

Cristina: That's how you sum up Easter?

Jack: That's how I sum up Easter. There's nothing wrong there. Think about it. Think about it. That makes total sense.

Cristina: Jesus was a rabbit.

Jack: Jesus. When's Easter tomorrow?

Cristina: I don't know. It's very soon. Could be tomorrow. I don't know. I don't know. Easter's on a Sunday, isn't it? Easters are always on Sunday.

Jack: Easter's on the fourth.

Cristina: Fourth. Yeah. Oh, it's called Easter Sunday.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, got it, got it, got it. So Easter's tomorrow. I mean, I knew it was coming up. I didn't know exactly when it was coming up. I just knew it was coming up manana tomorrow.

Cristina: The great Easter bunny.

Jack: But yeah, so I'll summarize. For anybody who doesn't know, we've talked about Easter quite a bunch on show. This is sort. It's an Easter show.

Cristina: That's what it. It's an Easter show.

Jack: Yeah. The whole podcast is centered on Easter.

Cristina: Specifically.

Jack: Specifically, all we do.

Cristina: It's a Christian show.

Jack: It's a. It is a Christian show.

Cristina: Talk about Christ a lot.

Jack: Like we talk about Christ a lot. People, if you don't believe this is a Christian show, then you're out of your mind. Because we talk about God all the time. It's crazy how much we talk about Satan all the time.

Cristina: I didn't mean to say Satan. I meant saints.

Jack: We talk about saints and Satan, Lucifer.

Cristina: I guess we'll talk about all of them.

Jack: God, I don't know. Anyways, I'll summarize. I'll summarize what Easter is so the people understand. Once upon a Time there was a man who used to steal all of the eggs. And in the past, if you are familiar with history, eggs were valuable. Owning a chicken meant a lot. So you had chickens and that was a valuable commodity because you could produce eggs, which means you had eggs to eat. But there was this carpenter who used to hang out with a bunch of thieves and killers, liars and schemes.

Cristina: He was one of them.

Jack: He was one of them. He was part of a band. There were 13 of them, sometimes 14 if you count the woman that used to chill with them. The w****. If you count the w**** that used to chill with them.

Cristina: She wasn't a w****. I read that she wasn't a w****.

Jack: People don't know that. People, people swear she was a w****. Anyways. People used to hang out with a.

Cristina: Bunch with a different w****.

Jack: He used to hang out with a bunch of criminals, murderers, liars, cheaters, stealers, and a w**** and a f****** w****. And he, he was the con artist of the bunch.

Cristina: He was a magician.

Jack: A magician. He used to con people, trick people, steal their watches off of their wrists while showing them a magic trick and then show it to them. And when he returned their watches, he robbed their wallet. He was a genius at what he did.

Jack: This man was known, Jesus and Jesus as his side hustle because he was such a slick guy. He would go to farms where people had chickens and it would be like, yo, I show you a magic trick.

Cristina: But he, he's a carpenter.

Jack: He's a carpenter. That's his cover.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: So he would use that as a cover. Like, I'm gonna build you a farmhouse.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Build your farmhouse. And that farmhouse you can keep your chickens. Let me see the size of your chickens and I'll know the size of the coop that I built for all your chickens in the farmhouse.

Cristina: All right? And then what does he do?

Jack: He' I'm gonna need the keys for your chicken coop so I can build you a bigger chicken coop and move your chickens and you're not around so you don't have to do the hard work. I do all the work. And then they're like, yeah, here, just come when I'm, I'm at work on Sunday. You can come on Sunday and you can, you can take the chickens and put them in the other thing. After you build me the new coop, bro, I'll pay you. He's like, I take money in advance. He's like, I got you, bro. Use some money in advance. I expect that job done. And then he's like, yeah, I'll do it.

Cristina: And he doesn't do it.

Jack: He does not do it. He just shows up and he steals all the eggs that that man was gonna sell to make money. And he got the money from the man who paid them to do the job. He doesn't really do carpenter s***, so he just got the money, didn't buy any materials. But he got the eggs too. Eggs. Cuz the guy wasn't there. He gave me keys for Sunday. He was at work.

Cristina: Oh, he was on work. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Jesus just got all the eggs. Con artist.

Cristina: Con artist. Okay.

Jack: So eventually Jesus got killed for the egg stealing. He got super murdered for stealing all the eggs all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But some chemist somewhere made a concoction and gave it to him. And he's like, look, they can crucify you. You take this, it's gonna look like you're already crazy, unenergetic. They're not gonna kill you themselves. They want the suffering to happen. So you take this, you're gonna look more hurt than you really are. Then you're gonna. Your heartbeat is gonna be undetectable. They use this in the future all the time to hide, you know, like a guy named James Bond is going to have. And they're going to think he's dead. So you use this and they'll think you're dead while you're on the cross. And then we come down, take you, take you to a hole somewhere. And then when you recover.

Cristina: Why are they doing that for him?

Jack: You come. Because they're the homies.

Cristina: Oh, they're one of the tall.

Jack: And then he comes out of the thing. And then he started stealing eggs again. And people were like, no, he's been resurrected to steal eggs. His. His spirit has unfinished egg.

Cristina: That's when they decorated. Because they were hiding it from him.

Jack: Then they decorated all their eggs as colorful stuff. And then they also made chocolate shaped like eggs.

Cristina: They were like, to confuse him even.

Jack: More, use them so that if he did find the eggs, it was 50, 50 chance he would just open chocolate and be like, these aren't even eggs. These are just.

Cristina: And he's allergic to chocolate.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. So that's the truth about Easter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And from then forward, every Easter, we hide our eggs and try to confuse people by also hiding chocolate so that if Jesus hits our place, there's a. Like, what are the odds he doesn't want to anymore? Because he knows there's a 50, 50 chance he opens that and dies.

Cristina: Is he showing up as a rabbit, like, dressed up in a Rabbit suit.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's where the rabbit comes in. Totally.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's his disguise he used because as soon as after the resurrection he got caught, he needed a disguise. So he would pretend to be. Yeah, he would show up in a giant rabbit suit and try to steal it.

Cristina: Because everyone has to think he's dead for good.

Jack: Yeah. He needs to keep that. The lie sold.

Cristina: Yeah. So he can still steal eggs. Okay.

Jack: But since he's allergic to chocolate, that's gone way down. And there's only one Jesus. He can't be everywhere at once. It's not like he's good or something. So, you know, that's why we celebrate the comedic nature of that one time in history that some dude named Jesus was stealing all the eggs.

Cristina: Crazy F A X facts. Yeah. True story.

Jack: True story, man. Nothing but wokeness going on there.

Cristina: Did you get that story from the Bible?

Jack: No, the Bible lies.

Cristina: The Bible lies.

Jack: I was filled with lies.

Cristina: What kind of lies?

Jack: All of them.

Cristina: What is the main lie? Is there a main lie? I guess they have too many.

Jack: No, no, no. There is a main lie.

Cristina: There is a main lie.

Jack: There was a God. And then the whole Bible is centered around that one lie.

Cristina: What if there was a God?

Jack: It wasn't the God they're talking about. Or I guess the main lie is God was the good guy. Right.

Cristina: God, who was the person.

Jack: Like we just saw that thing earlier about how God killed 2 million people but Satan only killed 10.

Cristina: 10.

Jack: Like I feel like this clear measure here of who's the bad guy. What?

Cristina: I guess killing people is alright.

Jack: Destroyed towns with fire, the firstborn of many. An entire flood that just wiped out all existence.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Lucifer 10, God 2 million.

Cristina: Yes. Well, the Bible didn't lie about that.

Jack: No, it totally didn't. This is saying God is like we, this is the good guy. Oh, he's the good guy.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Jack: Try to confuse us and trick us about who? Right is wrong, left is blue, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Try to f*** it all up.

Cristina: What if we're supposed to think killing is good?

Jack: What?

Cristina: What if we're supposed to. To believe that killing was good?

Jack: I mean, then why can't we kill? Why can't we go out and pop some mofos? He made himself in our image. What, he's copying us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, it's funny that that statement in general just totally lends itself to the fact that. Or he made us in his image. Right?

Cristina: He made us in his image. Yeah.

Jack: Then he made Jesus in our image.

Cristina: No, he Made Jesus in his image too.

Jack: Yeah, I guess.

Cristina: No, I don't know how Jesus was made.

Jack: Jesus was a poop.

Cristina: Magic.

Jack: A magic poop.

Cristina: He's a. He was made without a semen. He's just.

Jack: No, there was. It was holy semen.

Cristina: Holy semen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How?

Jack: He's God. He could be everywhere at once, including inside you.

Cristina: He had like a magic semen floating inside Mary. Yeah, yeah. He or many his.

Jack: Let's. Let's be real. On top of the number of deaths he has committed, like the murders he's done, he's kind of guilty of raping Mary, right?

Cristina: I guess. She doesn't say that it's rape though. She's happy about it.

Jack: She said I was impregnated by the Lord.

Cristina: Maybe he asked for it. Maybe.

Jack: Nope. No, she was shocked.

Cristina: She was shocked by it. Oh, no.

Jack: Sorry. If Jesus. Mary was an alcoholic or a drug addict or some s***. And she blacked out. She was consistently wasted and she blacked out because even Joseph was like, I didn't f****** pregnant her.

Cristina: Oh crap.

Jack: Yeah, she was some sort of drug addict. Which kind of fits a suit that he would grow up in the slums being just an architect or what the was he carpenter. And that he would hang out with a bunch of criminals because that's the environment he was raised in. His mom was like a drug addict.

Cristina: What was his dad. He was still around, wasn't he?

Jack: He was trying to support his family, but it was probably an alcoholic. Oh, they didn't own s***. That's why they slept in a barn.

Cristina: It was her cousin's barn or something. I forgot it was like a family.

Jack: Yeah, they didn't own crap. They were. They couldn't even go to a stranger because they couldn't even buy a place or like rent a room or something like, here's some coin, let me stay here. They can go to a motel. They had nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they were like, okay, just cuz your family, go sleep with the animals. I'll give you at least a roof.

Cristina: That's where they lived.

Jack: I don't know where the f*** they lived. I know that's where they had Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth. Which means he was in Nazareth. That was Nazareth. Is Nazareth in Jerusalem. Whatever. Anyway, so yeah, Easter. All of this is related to Easter.

Cristina: Related to Easter history.

Jack: History. Informing of Easter is coming. Informing of Easter is coming and. Nah. But all jokes aside, Easter is about the resurrection.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are we sure about that? Easter is the day he came back.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. Probably not sure. Probably not 100% sure. Because no one's 100% sure about anything in the Bible.

Jack: Yeah, like he was actually born in the summer.

Cristina: Yes. So none of it's for sure.

Jack: So he died three days before Easter. What a coincidence that he'd come to life on Easter.

Cristina: Yes. Wait, he died three days before.

Jack: I mean, he was resurrected on Easter? Yeah, three days after he was crucified. So, yes, he died.

Cristina: I don't know. I thought for some reason Lent was when he died and that was like a month earlier. I could be wrong about that then. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, look, look, I don't know how religion works, okay?

Cristina: How long can you stay dead and then come back to life? How long is it okay for a dead body? Like, after a year, it's gotta be too long, right?

Jack: After a couple of hours, it's too late. If you're dead 10 minutes, it might have been too long.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: Yeah, you come back with brain damage.

Cristina: Oh, do you think he came back with brain damage?

Jack: H***, yes.

Cristina: That's why he died immediately after.

Jack: Yeah, he just came back to life, screamed his lungs out and then just died again. He screamed like a severe r***** scream and then just died again.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, luckily there was nobody there to see him. They just thought he moved and were like his soul left his body.

Cristina: But they saw him go to heaven, his body disappears or something. I don't know.

Jack: I'll explain that. The truth is, that dude was a vampire. That's why he could levitate.

Cristina: That's why he can levitate. Who says he can levitate?

Jack: Vampire logic says he could levitate.

Cristina: But did he levitate?

Jack: Yes, that's how he walked on water and that's how they saw him go up to heaven.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: He was levitating. You're literally talking about him going up to heaven. I'm like, he levitates and you're like, what?

Cristina: Well, I feel like levitating is, like a few inches from the floor and going up to heaven is, like, much higher.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: It's an extreme.

Jack: Why did you put a cap on levitation?

Cristina: Because that's how magicians, they don't go very high up.

Jack: Oh, I feel you. You're equating him to a magician.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's fair.

Cristina: Well, I guess for him, with his.

Jack: Vampire powers, he's a super mega, ultra vampire.

Cristina: Super. Wait, say that.

Jack: No, in reality, he's the first vampire.

Cristina: He's the first one.

Jack: He's the first vampire. I don't know how the h*** it happened.

Cristina: It wasn't God related.

Jack: No, it was. I mean, he could have. He could have been. I mean, this. He could be Dracula, like the real Dracula, what Dracula was based on. And so we know he was a man of faith or whatever. In the original story of Dracula, Dracula screams at the sky is like, his wife died or something. I don't remember how the story was. Something like that. Right. He was asking for her to come back or like, I'll sacrifice me or whatever. And the curse he was given was. D***, I don't remember his story at all. Whatever. Dracula yelled at the sky as a God or something. And he was given vampirism. Vampirism. He was turned to vampire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so Jesus known notoriously for being a very God centric man, in fact, so God centric, they were like, you're the most God centric man. And that definitely lends itself to him having been screaming at the skies, a God, God, please help me. And then he got given abilities which began to show themselves around the age of 30, not his entire life.

Cristina: What? That's why it starts there.

Jack: Yep. It begins when he was baptized by John Baptist.

Cristina: Mm. That was one of his friends or whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or becomes his friend after. I don't know.

Jack: Everybody's. His friend is Jesus.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And after he. He goes through the baptism where he accepts God and whatever, weird things start to happen. Weird things start to happen.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Well, at the beginning, he starts to be. He seems way too charming to people. Absurdly charming and beautiful. Beautiful man. A beautiful man. He's perfect. He's immaculate. He's gorgeous. He's perfect.

Cristina: Yes, like a vampire type of transformation.

Jack: And over the time, over time, he just kept, you know, talking to people. And now again, this lends itself to the fact that he was already some sort of con artist and knew a couple of tricks. But now he has this absorbent charm that people can't even control themselves around. They'll cry just by looking at him. So beautiful. It's phenomenal. And then he would also perform nifty tricks. And then people just started, you know, he's the most entertaining, funnest, greatest, kindest man ever. And he's beautiful and gorgeous. And his following just kept growing and growing. And he started actually building two different types of followings. One, the mass following of the general information that would float around. People would keep passing the knowledge of this man. Oh, he's so exciting. Oh, he's so interesting. Oh, he's so awesome. I would say. You would say? You tell them, they tell him so Far, So far. But then he had the personal net group of people, convicts and murders and thieves and whores that he already hung out with, and they became even more integral to his group. It's possible that at this point, he was already a vampire. It was, like, immediately after the baptism that he was given these powers that we start to see more and more of as time goes by. And his homies, assuming they're really his homies to that degree, and they weren't all so convinced by him.

Cristina: But they weren't vampires.

Jack: No, I don't think they were vampires. I think they were just ride or die as h***. They're like, you know, the code of the criminal. It's always together. And so he was like, if I figure out how this works, I'll just try to turn you guys too.

Cristina: Was he drinking blood?

Jack: Not yet.

Cristina: Not yet.

Jack: He does eventually tell them, like, you guys, you know, you do things right. I suppose we can all be this. We can all be immortal. Which he tells him consistently. There's immortality. There's immortality. I'm immortal. There's immortality. And we get told the story that the commoner on the street gets told. Oh, give yourself to the sky, and after you die, there's immortality. Yeah, this is a weird little tale you get told so that if he shows up at your house and says, I'm gonna kill you so that you can reach your immortality.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: So I'm gonna consume you within me. As you've heard from everybody else, within me is the immortality. Through me.

Cristina: There is immortality through him eating you.

Jack: Well, he doesn't use those words specifically, but when he gets there, you're like, do whatever you have to want immortality. And then he could do whatever. And he also establishes very vampiric rules he didn't establish, but for whatever reason, he needs you to accept them first. Before he can come in, you need to welcome this man inside. Otherwise, he can't. And he's already a criminal. He steals eggs, bro. He breaks into wherever he needs to.

Cristina: Well, he. Maybe he doesn't break in because in your example, the egg stealing, the.

Jack: He had to trick a guy. Well, no, before he was a. Oh.

Cristina: The egg ste was.

Jack: Before the sag ceiling was. Before he was still using his carpenter skills to do stuff.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But after the baptism, he needs to use his conning skills to get into the house in the first place by getting you to agree to let him in. And that's how he would get into your home.

Cristina: Amazing. What? But he no longer needs eggs. Though, Right.

Jack: He no longer needs eggs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His castle in Transylvania has all the chicken coops he could ever imagine.

Cristina: He also has a. Okay.

Jack: But in this time of him doing this, occasionally not everybody gets killed or drained raw of blood. Sometimes. Occasionally somebody survives and they come back with the story of. And then he cut his wrist and told me to drink his blood.

Cristina: What? That's not a story. That's a story.

Jack: And in. No, that's not a real story. Obviously some parts of this are made up.

Cristina: That'd be really interesting if that was in the Bible.

Jack: S***. Maybe. You know what? Yeah, no. Yes, totally. So eventually some people started coming back with the story. He would cut his wrist and drip into their mouth. Because drinking the blood of Christ is the way to immortality. And these people really did become immortal.

Cristina: While they were alive.

Jack: While they were alive because they became vampires. If you drink his blood, you get immortality. Keep in mind through the beginning he had to experiment and find out how things work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he was doing that effectively.

Cristina: So his buddies might be vampires.

Jack: So his buddies eventually became vampires. When he figured that out, then they would preach that you need the blood of Christ.

Cristina: So they were just selling his blood.

Jack: Well, now they're mortal. They no longer need to scrap for anything and they got crazy powers. But then this becomes another problem is face here. The apostles were also seen as incredibly charming and lovable to the point that some of them continued to commit crimes even after they were with Jesus. And that's an interesting little duality that's there. That they would preach the holiness and then go and openly crimes and s***. Yeah.

Cristina: How many of them were still committing crime?

Jack: Two of them.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: Peter and John. No, it's not. John was another one. Peter's another guy. And yeah. So there is definitely a. An interesting narrative that forms there. And it became kind of dangerous when the two different groups there was again the apostle group, the Titanic group.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then the bigger group of just the fans. And there were. So I guess a third division of groups happened where it was really close. Then the like other ones he personally interacted with but wasn't in his circle. And then the people who've heard of him, the people who've heard of him became a danger.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because they heard about people really achieving immortality. And so now they need to convince everybody so that if, if everybody around me is on board, then it's more likely it's going to reach me. And I want the immortality. So by any means we gotta force everybody to believe it so that he's More prone come our way. And that's where violence begins to happen and religious warfare breaks out.

Cristina: For this Jesus blood. For this Jesus.

Jack: That's where the Jews versus the Christians happen. Except the Christians didn't have a name yet.

Cristina: That was during his time though. Like he was alive while they were fighting or like they knew.

Jack: Yeah, there was definitely a left and right going on. And they wanted immortality. They didn't know what it really meant. Only as closest of homies understood the true depth of where this went. They were all already monsters of different, different sorts. All vampires. Twisted contorted minds. Because of their abilities, they could just con anybody at any moment. They could charm anybody, convince anybody to do anything. But they also had unique abilities that came with that.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like the way vampires do, man. All vampire abilities.

Cristina: Do they have any non related vampire ability like ability that vampires don't have? But still you can see it as maybe some type of vampire power that just never has been mentioned in other stories.

Jack: Not entirely sure. Perhaps. It's definitely a possibility. They did have eccentric abilities that kind of varied in different ways. For example, the thing Jesus did in turning the water to wine.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That wasn't like a vampire thing. But also as a con artist he could have understood that red dirt underwater shooken up in clear water would turn the water red. You could just claim it as whatever it's like, oh, there's still worms and s*** in there. Don't drink the wine. I was just proving a point. You know there were tricks. And as he was a con artist, he had a little more trick, a few more tricks in his bag than his homies did.

Cristina: Yes. So you talk about his first in.

Jack: General abilities that they had. First of all that crazy superficial charm they have that catches everybody's attention. Hypnosis.

Cristina: Hypnosis.

Jack: The well known vampire hypnosis. If he stares into your eyes, he's caught you. Well, you are a victim. That's it. You are caught. There's nothing you could do. You will find him beautiful, gorgeous. Interesting enough. The people who were most against him were the people who never stared him in the eyes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Political figures who were angered by what he was saying, that weren't in contact with him, that were at a distance from him.

Cristina: Yes, they just heard about him.

Jack: Then when they managed to successfully get him on the cross, the only times they saw him is when his eyes were already down and weak and all these things so they could look at him and to not be caught. It wasn't just looking at Jesus.

Cristina: He has to be looking Back looking.

Jack: Back, which creates an interesting dynamic there that kind of lends itself to the fact that he was probably a f****** vampire.

Cristina: Okay, did you find anything related to the sun?

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like weakening him or hurting him or.

Jack: Oh, yeah, definitely. That leads to the crucifixion. He also had healing abilities, which is his most common trick.

Cristina: He was healing people.

Jack: He was healing people left and right now. There are two different kinds of healing abilities that vampires possess. One is the typical. You know, I hold my hand over your body or whatever, and poof, like magic, it's gone, which Jesus did do. But also his blood.

Cristina: Oh, his blood.

Jack: The notorious one. Not only was it healing, but it provided immortality.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then small traces of his blood are healing, which is why you get fed that crap in church.

Cristina: What about his skin? Did it have healing properties, too?

Jack: His skin contains his blood. You know, it's just a dry version of his healing DNA that you can carry around. It's harder to do that with the blood. It's just a carryable version of him.

Cristina: That's so creepy.

Jack: But, yeah, he can regenerate because he's a vampire. So he can cut it off as much as he wants and then always be back.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just a logical exchange. He was the original. So if he dies, all his homies lose their powers. You know, the vampire Elijah Kill the king.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody else is reverted.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So his flesh is the only flesh that could turn others.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Okay, so they needed his flesh and they needed his blood. He could make his home his vampires. But they can't make others, all right? Only he can.

Cristina: That's why they were promoting his.

Jack: They were promoting his blood. And he probably donated some of his blood so that they can spread it out amongst people to prove the power of his blood. Not enough to turn them into anything.

Cristina: Just to heal them, but to heal.

Jack: Them and prove the strength of his blood. They also had healing powers, but they didn't have something that they can just give. You walk away, you take it, everything is gone for you. You can see now. You drank some of that. Now you can see. You've never seen a day of your life. You were bor. Born blind. Now you have sight. That kind of crap.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: So that's the healing, obviously. The vampire, immortality. So long as you have the nutrients and thing you need, you cannot die of natural causes. You have to be killed.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: Self healing, which is how he, you know, cuts his skin off and then gives it. He'll heal that right back and the more he feeds, the more he heals. And through hard times, he could do that repeatedly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the exception of when he was on the cross. Because they bound him, he couldn't heal. He also has pyrokinosis, which is well known. The vampires could do that. Is controlling fire.

Cristina: He's controlled fire.

Jack: There's two instances in which this happened. One in which he used fire to telepathically communicate. Moses.

Cristina: That was him.

Jack: That was him through the fire. And the other one in which he teleported into a furnace to speak to some men who were being burned alive. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Chances are they did get burned, but he gave them his blood while they.

Cristina: Were there so that they wouldn't die.

Jack: So they wouldn't die. He was always true to the homies.

Cristina: Okay, and those are some homies.

Jack: Those are some homies. We don't know how exactly, but they were his followers and he was loyal to them. He made sure his army stayed strong as well as there was Saddam and Gomorrah, the two cities that he successfully wielded enough power. Now, this takes place in the past from him. But assuming his powers bridge the gap of time somehow because he was predicted to be born or be created at some point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This creature of immense power would come to be. It's possible that his abilities stretch far and beyond that he could rip fire from the skies and slam it right into a city. Unless, that is signs that there were vampires before him.

Cristina: Then he wouldn't be the first.

Jack: Then he wouldn't be the first. But he is an original, just like whatever other vampire.

Cristina: Yeah, that's a really powerful vampire.

Jack: Yes. And the possibility there lies that it's one of the original children of Adam and Eve or Enoch himself. So Adam and Eve's children featured three individuals, one of which. Well, there were a bunch of others, but out of the boys, there's Cain, Abel and Seth. We hear a lot about Cain and Abel, but we don't hear a lot about Seth. He's brushed aside, other than being mentioned, but mentioned enough to wonder why. Why was. Why. Why did you mention this child at all? The theory is that he was retracted, like many of the other books from the Bible.

Cristina: Yeah, his character was retracted.

Jack: His character was retracted. He was removed from the text. It's possible Seth was the first vampire, then Enoch and then Jesus.

Cristina: What were they around these. The time with the cities. Or they would have been ancient vampires by then.

Jack: They would have been ancient vampires by then, allowing them to perform these duties. They would be so overpowered at that point we're looking at Jesus in from when he was 30 to when he was 33. So his powers are three years old at max. He was still learning how to use them.

Cristina: Oh, that's so sad.

Jack: If we see Enoch or Seth, we're talking some of the first living things ever.

Cristina: So thousand.

Jack: Well, Seth would be. Enoch would be closer to the time of those cities being attacked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While Seth would be the ancient one here.

Cristina: So he would probably have the power.

Jack: He would probably have the power to just rip fire from the sky and land it on top of these cities. So it's possible that he was the first. Additionally, there is levitation, which allowed Jesus to levitate when they saw him, quote, go to heaven, unquote. And when he walked on water, his most fantastic miracle.

Cristina: Walking on water.

Jack: Walking on water. And additionally, there was also dream manipulation.

Cristina: Like he'd be in other people's dreams or he could.

Jack: Yes, he would be in other people's dreams and he would show himself in visions to people. So he would communicate and they would dream about him and they would think of him at random moments and he would talk to them through these almost telepathic dreams, dream like states. And they would know about him before he even presented himself.

Cristina: Cool. I didn't know about this. In the Messiah, he was in their dreams. So if he's Jesus in that show, does that mean he's talking to them in the dream?

Jack: Yes. He could have really been doing that. He would. In the Bible, he would send them.

Cristina: Cryptic messages related somehow.

Jack: Yeah, in the Bible, he would send them cryptic messages. Sometimes it was direct, but sometimes it was weird imagery that made no sense to the viewer until they were explained by either Jesus himself or they heard a story about something that happened that happened in their dream that kind of pieced it together for them.

Cristina: So that was a Jesus thing. Oh, my God.

Jack: That was a Jesus thing. And additionally, he had animal control.

Cristina: Animal Control. Can he turn into animals too?

Jack: We have no proof of that. But he did have the ability to get animals to behave as he wanted.

Cristina: And people saw him talk to these animals or something. He.

Jack: Animals that would just behave around him.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: As if he was thinking for them and going back to situations in which we have weird scenarios. Assuming there are ancient vampires at the time of, like Moses, we can see every animal in the world suddenly start moving towards a singular ship ahead of a fantastic flood. Because it's gonna start. Start raining endlessly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which could have also still been a vampire doing this.

Cristina: Moses, Seth or Seth. Okay.

Jack: And so he got into the head of every single creature and started moving them to the ship so that whatever we can get on board, we do get on board.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Because he knew that the flood was coming too.

Jack: He was probably the one who warned Moses.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Of course, Moses attributed to God, but it was just Seth. Like, there's crap's about to hit the fans. My fault. Seth probably did it himself.

Cristina: He flooded the world.

Jack: He flooded the world at this point, Such an ancient being seeing such heavy corruptions. Like, I can cleanse this in one shot.

Cristina: That's why burning the town could be him and drowning the world. Okay. That's.

Jack: So a lot of the events we've seen could definitely be Seth creating the very extremely godlike things of giant floods and fire from the sky.

Cristina: Then eventually he goes up because there's no.

Jack: I'm not saying he gave up.

Cristina: What?

Jack: He could have been killed. What?

Cristina: I mean, I guess that's a possibility, huh?

Jack: Weaknesses. Following everything that Jesus went through, there is the possibility that the church was familiar with stories of vampires and hadn't seen one in a long time. Maybe they knew of somebody who once killed a vampire. The possibility that that was Seth, incredibly high at this point. So they're out there and they've done it, and they record the history of how they did it, and they store it somewhere in case we've never seen another vampire. The only one we knew about was Seth. He converted a couple of people. We got rid of them, but the ones we didn't disappeared. Once we killed Seth, we stored the information on how to do it. We have that safe. Guy pops up, starts doing very familiar things. I've read about something like this before. I'll go to library. I'll check to see what we have stored in there. This kind of thing. And then they come across the things Jesus was doing. And they're like, a lot of this. A lot of this measures up to what we saw with this other guy.

Cristina: With the other vampire.

Jack: With the other vampire. And so they start trying to convince people this isn't who you think it is. Just like, don't buy the crappy selling. Let it be. Don't buy what he's selling.

Cristina: Are these are the same people that end up killing him?

Jack: Yes. These are the Jews that are like, this isn't like. Right. You people don't understand what you're playing with here. You don't see how wrong it is that he wants you to drink his blood or eat his flesh. You don't see how that's problematic? People were brainwashed. They didn't know the difference. They were already charmed. So they didn't understand the charm part. You didn't get that that was a factor in there until somebody read about it and they're like, we can't even break these people out of it. There's one way to break this spell. There's one way to break the spell.

Cristina: Which is to kill Jesus.

Jack: Which is to kill Jesus. So now they gotta look into how they killed Jesus. And that's how we get to his weaknesses. In the book of whatever ancestors they had that successfully killed Seth, the first vampire, or Enoch, if it was him, they came across some basic details. One, stakes can weaken a vampire. They're crazy strong. You're gonna need a freaking army. But if you can get stakes into them, you will weaken them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also sunlight. Sunlight is definitely their enemy. Which tells us we've probably seen as a con, as a natural con artist. He was already a person who relied on shadows and darkness to create illusions.

Cristina: So you might have been like.

Jack: We might have been seeing most of his activities at night, which is why it was hard to just see him walking on the street. He would show up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Common trope of coming to drink blood in the middle of the night is when you do that. But who are the people who need to ask permission to come into your house? The vampire. Which means he was doing this at night. Because vampires do these things at night. We already have similar behaviors connected to Jesus that all happen in nighttime. Being a con artist, hanging out with criminals, and the typical vampire. Bullcrap. This man was just behaving at night.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sleeps in the day, behaves at night. When he was a carpenter, he could work in the daylight, but when he was doing his other things, he would do it at night, hanging out with his criminal buddies. So he was used to it. And then he becomes a vampire and develops the weakness of sunlight. And so it was already normal. Nothing seemed to change in the perception of others. He was already a interesting, elusive guy who would just hang out in the shadows most of the time with criminals of different sorts of. So that didn't affect him too much. The other weakness he had is he needs to be invited into your home. He can't actually recover from anything if he can't get to you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There is a vampire rule that he cannot break even if he wanted to. Some force stops him from being able to just violate the rule of going in.

Cristina: Yeah. And the church knew all that.

Jack: And the church knew these three key details. So the Church started making moves. They set traps with stakes so that they can get stakes into him. And they disguise these stakes. The stakes he was crucified with were a mixture of bone and wood.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They look like bone, but they had the wood that he needed in his body to weaken him.

Cristina: Okay. So we thought they had. Why did he need bone?

Jack: To disguise the steak.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they set up armies in nearby proximity to Jesus when they were trying to catch him. It wasn't just two, three people came and arrested Jesus. They had to stage in case he tries to flee. We can get him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And with the help of some people, some whips laced with the stakes merged with the wood and the bone. They had shackles with spikes made of the wood and bone that they could put on him. He didn't know these shackles were like that. So they come in to arrest him, and he's in front of people. That was part of the problem. We need an audience so that he can't do his thing. And everybody's spell is broken because they realize he's some freak of nature.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: So then he willingly is like, sure, yeah, okay. Thinking I'm gonna escape tomorrow, whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then they put it on him, and he's like, holy crap, what just happened? And he feels his powers just drain from his body.

Cristina: From the stakes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They put some on his legs as well. They give him the cross. They beat the crap out of him. They know he's not gonna die. None of this is gonna kill him. What is the sunlight?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They make him continuously get weaker and weaker by dragging his own cross the field where they're gonna crucify him. Then they put him up and they nail. Because somebody could just come and remove those stake. Those stake shackles.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they. They put nails made of the same material right through his hand, nailing him to the cross through his hands and through his feet so there's no way he can get out. And they leave him there so that the sun will rise eventually and kill him. It's the only way we could get rid of it. That's it. The only way.

Cristina: But it doesn't.

Jack: It doesn't get rid of him because he's dying when they take him off of it. We don't see that part. But then they take him to the best place where somebody can reward a vampire can recover. He needs to be on dirt.

Cristina: His friends did that, though.

Jack: His friends did that. His friends took him down. These are also lose their powers. Yeah, they're gonna. They take him down they take him to a tomb, dirt and rock all around him. And they bring him some blood covers there. They bring him some blood. They give him some blood. They close it so nobody could go in there. They just say, he's dead in there. He's dead. He's died. He's died over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he recovers while he's in there. They give him some blood he needs to regenerate his normal vampire regeneration rate as he rests. Three days later, today on Easter, he's fully recovered.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And people just start seeing him walking around. They're like, what the h***? We saw this guy die.

Cristina: And then he does the levitation to heaven thing. Or.

Jack: No, he.

Cristina: That's not part of the story.

Jack: Yes, but they see him walking around and they witness his presence. And then he tells them, knowing that now the church is going to be informed that they failed, they're going to do it again. But now he knows, he knows they know. So he's like, nah, this ain't good.

Cristina: So he has a plan to get.

Jack: The h*** out of there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now, as he's established his plan, he tells all the homies to plan. Look like, as long as I'm alive, you guys can retain your abilities, but I can't be here anymore, try to kill me. So you guys just need to be under the radar, be normal people. Do your miracles or whatever, but don't. Don't exceed your reach. They know how to take us down. There's more of them than there are of us. Okay, so I'm gonna do a nifty. My final con. The final cut. The final score, guys, the final score. They're like, yeah, the final score. And then we have the montage of Ocean's Eleven where we see all the characters start to set it up. Yeah. First they're gonna get an audience done. Then they show, like, f****** Peter. Getting people together. Yeah. Like, we're gonna bring people in and we're gonna. You gotta pass flyers to get everybody coming. Look, Jesus gonna be leaving or whatever and share all this information anyways. Eventually, people witness him levitate into the skies. His goal was, I'm gonna go over the clouds and then fly the h*** out of there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they see him go up and they're like, oh, he went to the heaven. Seems like obviously there's space up there, but they're idiots and they don't know that. So I'm just go high enough so they can't see me. I. Mm. And that's how he landed in Transylvania and changed his Name to Dracula.

Cristina: Ah, so he's Dracula.

Jack: He's Dracula.

Cristina: But Dracula, is he still alive?

Jack: Probably could be. Maybe.

Cristina: Because in the story he dies.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: That's the story. Yeah.

Jack: Jesus also died.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. That's just a story.

Jack: Jesus also died in a story. What a coincidence.

Cristina: You don't know what parts of the story is true or not. Okay, so.

Jack: Yeah, but that's kind of interesting, right? The people were so severely brainwashed by this man that they couldn't sort of break away even as there were other people. Like, you're crazy as h***. This is clearly not what he's claiming to be, brainwashed. Yes, they are. But also whatever. The church that formed around these apostles made sure to sling this forward. And they managed to create some sort of concoction out of his blood by finding alchemists that could replicate the exact composition of his blood and then pass that forward to use it to keep people both brainwashed and heal people with the blood of Christ. And they can also. They no longer have the access to his flesh, but they can take little breads, drip his blood onto it, and preserve that successfully without the fear of blood coagulating inside of a container and becoming useless.

Cristina: And that's the bread that they're feeding in people.

Jack: That bread.

Cristina: So people are going into the church to get brainwashed.

Jack: Optimized the system so that it could function without Jesus's involvement. I don't know what happened to the apostles. I don't know if they're dead, if they're alive. We can't trust the Bible because the Bible has a bunch of. They need him to be dead in the Bible. That's his narrative.

Cristina: Yes. And they probably need the apostles to be dead because that's. They're gonna live forever. So.

Jack: So we don't know really what's happening. And I still don't know which of the two was the older vampire if that's the case. Unless, again, Jesus power is so exaggerated, he can reach backwards in time. I guess it's kind of a stretch.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But if that's not the case, then either Enoch or Seth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Were vampires. And it makes more sense that it would be Seth because of the magnitude in which the events were happening with the flood and the fire from the skies and the firstborn of people dying. Like he could just do the crazy things.

Cristina: He was killed. That's crazy.

Jack: And once Jesus pieced that together, he's like, there's no way I'm winning.

Cristina: Yes. So now he's hiding.

Jack: He's hiding. He's like, I'm not dealing with this crap. Which explains the need to quote, resurrect, quote, unquote, fly up to the sky or whatever the h***.

Cristina: Yes. And that's where Thanksgiving comes from.

Jack: Not Thanksgiving, Easter.

Cristina: Easter. Oh, Easter. That's where Easter comes from.

Jack: Yeah. And so there's a bunch of crap like that. The Bible is filled with a bunch of individuals that could have potentially have been following Jesus. Have been individuals.

Cristina: That makes sense. The church is making monsters. Why not?

Jack: Yeah, we've already established that the church makes monsters pretty regularly just to get.

Cristina: Rid of the monsters. They know how to create and destroy monsters. That's what they do.

Jack: Yeah. Church is crazy. Now, it's possible that Muhammad was also a vampire because he went through a lot of the same events. It's also possible that Jesus didn't immediately go to Transylvania.

Cristina: Oh, crap. He was trying to do the same thing somewhere else.

Jack: Yeah, he was trying to make different movements in different places. He would start get the ball rolling and go somewhere else. And it didn't even need to be the same religion so long as he had a following of people who would continue to consume.

Cristina: And it's just easy to get really, just people on board or something.

Jack: Yeah. And it's not that he was doing anything malicious. It's just he's a monster. And if you think of like Dean's mentality from Supernatural, it's like, if it's a monster, you f****** kill it. It might even be good. Doesn't matter. You kill it.

Cristina: Kill it.

Jack: And so he wasn't like doing anything horrible. He was doing nifty magic tricks and giving people health, like, okay, whatever.

Cristina: But he was probably drinking people's blood.

Jack: He was totally drinking people's blood.

Cristina: We don't know if he actually killed people in the process.

Jack: I think he probably did, so. Yeah, they probably did. So fair enough. Fair enough. I guess the trade off is he would eat people who weren't his followers. But give those who were probably blame.

Cristina: It on demons or something.

Jack: Probably did. So that's probably the whole story behind Lucifer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it was some other evil thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Probably talked about himself third person and called him Lucifer. Some thing is drinking your blood in the middle of the night. You got marks on your body. Check your body. I bet you do. They do. It's like, yeah, you see, you're letting demons into your home. You should let me into your home. Crazy little do they know, they already let him into you. But it's like you, you haven't Been hit by demons yet? Give it time. Unless you let me save you.

Cristina: That's so crazy. But where else has he been?

Jack: A bunch of places. But it's just the same story over and over. It's the same story over. Anytime you see the same story of a creature being revived or whatever, he's probably coming with the stories from his land. It's not that the events happened again, but rather he comes and tells us, you know, casually talking with somebody, you know, suave or whatever, and he just lets it slip and he's like, oh yeah, this happened. Like, holy crap, you're some kind of God or something. It's like, I guess I am. And now you got a whole. Hey, man, this Muhammad guy said he was like crucified or. So he died, came back three days later. You mean the guy who healed Bob just by waving his hand? Yeah, man, I think he's God or something. And so just that crap happens all time. Because Jesus as a con artist, he's kind of a narcissist. You can't help but keep talking about himself. So everybody eventually finds out and then whole new God. So it comes to be.

Cristina: Yes, but he doesn't mind having a different character that he's playing because he likes it. Because he.

Jack: Okay, little by little he kept fading away. Until now he's known as Dracula. Hiding in some castle where nobody could disturb him anymore.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: And those are just woke facts right there. The truth about what this glorious day named Easter is.

Cristina: It's beautiful.

Jack: Yes. And he has his giant castle filled with chicken coops where he has all the eggs.

Cristina: I guess he drinks their blood now.

Jack: Chicken blood.

Cristina: Chicken blood, probably. Yeah. Maybe that's how he survives now. Chicken blood.

Jack: Why not? It's the true woke truth behind all of it. Yes, and I know that's just. So now you guys are all informed on how this works, I'm sure that it's very interesting to think that Seth might have been the original vampire. He was mentioned and ignored afterwards. Same thing with Enoch, who's briefly mentioned and ignored. But we can find the whole book of Enoch. And there was an original book of Christ, allegedly written by Christ called the book of Emmanuel, which was his original name. And they his name is mentioned, but the book can't be found. We could find the book of Enoch and his references to the book of Emmanuel, but there is no book of Emmanuel, which is an interesting problem that the church at no moment addresses.

Cristina: No, they say it's lost or something.

Jack: No, never existed.

Cristina: It never existed.

Jack: It never existed. It's mentioned. Like they missed removing that part.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: It's mentioned as existing in the Bible.

Cristina: Yes. Well, not the Bible, the Enoch.

Jack: Oh well here's the problem. The Book of Enoch is mentioned as existing and you can find the Book of Enoch.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now in some of the books that were removed from the Bible, of which there are 60 something different books completely retracted.

Cristina: In those books you can find mention.

Jack: Mention of the Book of Emmanuel.

Cristina: Why didn't they at least edit those?

Jack: I don't know. So you can find the mention of the book but you can't find the Book of Emmanuel. As if it doesn't exist. Exist. Like it was perfectly erased from all of existence.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They did that on purpose. Come on.

Jack: They did that on purpose.

Cristina: What could be in his book, the Book of Emmanuel? What? What kind of crazy stories does he have?

Jack: That's nuts, right?

Cristina: Yes. Oh man. There's nothing for sure.

Jack: Nothing for sure. I've extensively tried to find this lame and I can't find any of it.

Cristina: What do the other books say about his book though? Do they give any hint to they.

Jack: Reference having read the Book of Immanuel? People held and people read the Book of Emmanuel. There was a true text written by Jesus Christ himself, Immanuel. And it's gone.

Cristina: But we have proof that people did read this text.

Jack: Yes. Obviously we got to assume if everything written in the Bible is bullshit to begin with. But if there was truth to any of it, there has to be truth to all of it. In which case there was a book by Jesus and that book has been completely destroyed and removed from existence by the church. So no matter what, there's a suppression effort that predates our current time.

Cristina: Of course. That's so crazy. Like the whole aliens might have written the Bible or inspire the Bible.

Jack: You mean like what's his name, Michael Horn was talking about?

Cristina: No, the thing we heard from mysterious Universe.

Jack: I don't remember. Anyways, I hope this has excited you all for Easter. That's tomorrow. I hope you guys have Russian buy some eggs and make sure some of them are chocolate. Jesus gonna come and steal your eggs. You don't want him to eat your chocolate eggs.

Cristina: But if you find Jesus though, can you ask him to turn into a vampire?

Jack: Maybe. He'd probably be down. He's not. He's a cool a** dude. He doesn't give a crap. Whatever.

Cristina: That'd be pretty cool.

Jack: It's just a sort of game you play.

Cristina: There's also a chance that he might just suck all the blood out of you and you die.

Jack: Also a problem.

Cristina: There's a little risk in that too.

Jack: But the whole thing is just a game you play because of the days that Jesus was stealing eggs. It's in honor of Jesus stealing all the eggs. And you hide them so he doesn't.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys want to hear more lovely things about Jesus Christ, of which we only have nice things to say, an infinite number of episodes that all include us talking about religion in depth and many other type of topics of many different sorts.

Cristina: Related.

Jack: Yeah, we're definitely way more informed than the church. The church listens to us.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Anyways, if you want some of that stuff, you can find all of that on the official website, grey thoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at just convopod.

Jack: Yes, send us some nifty messages. Talk to us. Well, not. Not us. We're not even on that. But, you know, talk to people who work with us and they'll tell us stuff or whatever the crap. I don't know. Just.

Cristina: We'll talk to you through this.

Jack: Yes, we'll. They'll tell us what you said and we'll come and talk crap about it on this end. And remember to subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, review.

Cristina: It and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. If you have friends that love holidays and religion and they love God and they show them they love the true history of God, we speak woke truth.

Cristina: See?

Jack: So you tell them about this episode and they're gonna be like, thanks, man. I knew you were a cool one. I know you were real one. This whole time, bro, you never questioned my faith. You never mocked me. I know you don't believe in God, but I respect that you respect that I do believe in God. And I appreciate you giving me this Christian, this very Christian episode, talking about God and Easter. I. I appreciate you, man. They're gonna love you way more for it.

Cristina: Yes. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. First in the welders come. Anyways, in my weird searches through the Internet, I came across a. An ad. And the ad had no words. It had two cups on each side. And then somebody started pouring white fluids into one, into both of them. And then one of them stopped, like, halfway. And then the other one kept filling up, up, kept filling up, kept filling up. And then on the screen, it showed up got c**. And then they showed a bottle of some pills you can take to increase your sperm count. And it said more come more fun.

Cristina: Is more come more fun?

Jack: I mean, I don't know if somebody likes to be glazed the up. I guess I like to be treated like a donut. Like a glazed donut.

Cristina: Okay, so they're not selling don't come though?

Jack: No, no, no, they're not. They're selling the pills that make you produce more c**.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So you can shoot milky loads at people.

Cristina: And this is advertised?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: What was it like through YouTube?

Jack: No, no, no, no. Just searching the Internet. You click on weird things and eventually occasionally they spam you, you know, in the little side things, which is like, well, this is some f***** up ad or some s***. And so, yeah, there was a c** production ad.

Cristina: Was that the weirdest thing you've seen.

Jack: When it comes to that? Yeah, that's probably. It was an ad for pornhub.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.03 René Romero Schuler & Creative Inspiration

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Guest René Romero Schuler, Artist and Sculptor, joins Jack to discuss the inspiration behind her art, transforming experiences that pushed the evolution of her work, how art is perceived and much more!

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Topics Discussed

  • Child Artist
  • How to Know You’re an Artist
  • Abstract Figurative Art
  • Inspiration
  • Life Changing Experiences
  • Soul Portraits
  • Painting Techniques
  • Has Your Art Made You Cry?
  • Perception of Art
  • Artistic “Happy Accidents”
  • Personality Opposite to Art
  • Belief in God
  • Religion & Faith
  • Objective Good
  • The Trolley Experiment
  • Message to Future Artists

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Website - https://www.reneschuler.com/

Instagram Personal - https://www.instagram.com/reneromeroschuler/

Instagram Shop - https://www.instagram.com/shopladyinthedress

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Rambling 123: Moon Conspiracies

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Was the moon landing faked? Is the moon an intricate hologram designed to hide what’s truly in our skies? Conspiracy theories of the moon unpacked!

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Having recently sent subhumans to investigate the moon due to recent cow abductions and the need to give listeners Stockholm Syndrome, the duo decides to unpack some of the conspiracy theories surrounding our floating space neighbor. In the process the shocking realization that some of these conspiracy theories are possible rises. What’s most shocking is which of these conspiracies has particularly strong evidence in its favor! Find out which on this episode of Just Conversation!

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Topics Discussed

  • Stockholm Syndrome
  • Cheese Moon
  • Hologram Moon
  • Illuminati Moon Base
  • Moon Aliens
  • Faked Moon Landing
  • Hollow Moon
  • City on the Moon
  • Advanced Moon Technology
  • Crrow7777
  • Unlisted Satellite
  • Secret Moon Research
  • Area 51
  • Government Secrets
  • Ringing Moon

Art Design by Zero Lupo ( https://instagram.com/zero_lupo )

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are release.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discussed.

Jack: Yes. So grab your gun.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Casually load it up with rounds outside, in public, in front of complete strangers, one by one, while smiling at them. Then you close that revolver and you start walking towards them and you say, hey, we're gonna watch. I guess you could watch, theoretically. You just have to, like, travel back in time and come watch us. If you have a time machine, you.

Cristina: Watch us, but otherwise watch us on YouTube. You could, but you're not really watching. Watching us, but it's there.

Jack: Yeah, you could, theoretically, I mean, watch a still image, but you can hear. We're gonna hear a show. We're gonna go hear a show called the Just Conversation Podcast. And when they're like, what the f***? Who the h*** are you? You're just gonna lift your. They already saw you with the gun, and you already pinned it to, like, your belt. You're just gonna lift your shirt up a little and you're gonna repeat.

Cristina: I thought he was already holding it.

Jack: No, he was holding it. He put it. He pinned it into his, like, belt. And then he walked up and he's like, hey. Because he made sure they saw him walk over with the gun, and then he put it there. And then he's like, we're going to go watch. We're going to go listen to a podcast. And the people are like, no. And then he lifts up the shirt just a little to remind them that he has a gun that he just loaded in front of them. He's like, we're going to go listen to a podcast.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how you're going to get a listening companion. By the end of the episode, you're going to have a new best friend that's going to want to listen every time.

Cristina: Mm, this sounds great.

Jack: Definitely. That's how it goes. Look, people get Stockholm Syndrome. You just gotta.

Cristina: It's just gonna lead to them having someone to listen for the rest of their lives. I guess. Like, this person is just gonna.

Jack: Yes, but also you're gonna get rid of them. After this episode. You could tell Them to go home.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, you just needed them to hear one episode.

Cristina: Okay? The next episode.

Jack: Then you find a new listening partner. I feel like you don't know how the introduction of the show works. Why wouldn't it be the same person? How boring.

Cristina: I don't know. You said something about Stockholm syndrome.

Jack: Yeah, that's fine. They might not want to go after you forcefully put them in a situation in which they had to be there. But that sounds like personal problem. Okay, okay, like, bro, this is over. We do what we're gonna do. Go home.

Cristina: Oh, they might be too attached.

Jack: They might be too attached. But look, it sounds like a personal problem, okay? They're the crazy people at that point, that kind of individual, you can't trust them. Those are usually the freaking maniacs, right? Think of, like. Think of, like, flat earthers, right? They find another flat Earther, and they're immediately committed, and they're like, we're not gonna reinforce our beliefs with each other. That same emotional state is gonna f****** happen in this case. And they're just gonna be like, look, now. Now we're podcasting, and there's so much weird s*** in here. They're already the type of person who gets Stockholm syndrome. Then they're just gonna be the kind of person who's gonna believe all the crazy conspiracies and all the crazy s*** that we talk about on the show. They are now convinced they're converts to what?

Cristina: Many things that we like.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So many.

Jack: They're part of the clone army.

Cristina: They're part of the clone army.

Jack: That's what we call our fans, right? The clone army.

Cristina: We have a name for our fans.

Jack: No, they're just subhumans. Our fans. Yeah. We established this before, but we never say it. We got to say it all the time. There are. There are our listeners. Are the subhumans okay? Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though they're not the actual subhumans.

Jack: Even though they're not the actual subhumans. Yeah, we actually have subhumans, which we sent to the moon recently to prove that it was made of cheese.

Cristina: Is that.

Jack: Was that. There was a cheese castle or some s***?

Cristina: There's definitely a cheese castle.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Aliens who were obsessed with cheese, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. And that's why they steal the cows.

Cristina: I remember. Yes.

Jack: I remember. I remember one of those glorious conspiracy theories that was created by who the f*** knows what. That's kind of crazy when you think about it. Does somebody. I mean, I guess all the moon conspiracy theories are nuts, but, like, the Fact that there's one about cheese on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, whoa, dude.

Cristina: Ah, it looks similar to cheese. I can't believe someone actually believes that it's made out of cheese.

Jack: Do you think it's just like trolling? Like a troll conspiracy maybe?

Cristina: Like, you really think people there's like a real conspiracy that, man.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised.

Cristina: The moon is made up cheese.

Jack: I wouldn't be surprised. I would. I would totally not put it past at least one person on earth. There's 7.5 billion people on this planet. One of them thinks the moon is made out of cheese.

Cristina: For real?

Jack: For real. Like, swears that that moon is made out of cheese. They probably can't explain how, but they're like, I also don't know how the sun works. So like, you know, they're rationalizing it and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I don't even know how the sun works. You tell me how air functions. So why can't the moon be made out of cheese? You know that logic instead of the freaking anti vaxxer logic. It's like, I don't get it. Therefore it must be wrong. Yeah. I don't understand physics. So it's wrong. Scientists are lying.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, I'm sure that's not how anything works. Just because you don't f****** understand does not mean it is a lie. It kind of means you're stupid. Really?

Cristina: No. The Earth is flat and the moon is made out of cheese. These two things make sense together.

Jack: Not only that, not only is the earth flat and the moon made out of cheese, but the moon orbits in a circular motion around the edge of the disk with the sun opposite. Opposite the moon. I'm not entirely sure why the sun is opposite the moon on this f****** thing, but whatever. Maybe they do. Well, no, we see the moon and the sun together sometimes, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So do they believe that the moon or the sun moves faster than the other? Like the sun is the faster one that makes whole lapse every day while the moon doesn't.

Cristina: Yes, maybe. Or maybe they don't realize that happens.

Jack: And they're like, they're always opposite each other and when they see the moon in the sky, they're like, that's some other s***.

Cristina: Yes, yes, man.

Jack: Like, I'm not surprised. I wouldn't put it past anybody. You know, that's kind of how this goes. But like. All right, so a bunch of people believe a bunch of crazy s*** about the moon, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The most consistent one is the the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Yeah. Because that's the most, like, that's all.

Jack: Anybody knows about the f****** moon. Yeah, the moon. Land people landed on the moon.

Cristina: That was the biggest event.

Jack: But look. Oh, God. Some of the f****** things they discuss are so stupid about that. Yeah. For example, the. The light contrast, the fact that you look up and there's no stars. The fact that they. They see the moon reflecting. This is the moon is really, really bright, but they don't see stars in.

Cristina: The sky like these in that photo or I read.

Jack: Not the photo in the photos and videos. And like, there's explanations behind all of this s***, but they're not gonna pay attention to any of it. They're really, really unbelievably fixated on it being fake. And even if you present them with all the evidence that says we can replicate the exact circumstances that answer any one of these things, well, if you.

Cristina: Replicate it, you just prove that you faked it because you just. Like, that's no. That what they think.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I don't mean replicate it in a fake manner. I'm saying you can prove that these instances happen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that we can suppress the stars from the sky with a bright enough light in contrast to those stars, the suppressing them, things like that. And so they are, I don't know, people crazy. They want to believe what they want.

Cristina: To believe what was, like, the craziest thing they think of the moon. Or like what people think, like, the.

Jack: Craziest thing they think of the moon. I would say that the moon is a hologram.

Cristina: As a hologram.

Jack: That is crazy.

Cristina: That is pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah. They think the Illuminati is doing it.

Cristina: And why are the Illuminati doing it?

Jack: Well, there's a multitude of reasons. I think the Illuminati is doing it primarily because they probably have a secret base that is on the moon for the elites who are part of the Illuminati to hang out because they're filthy rich and can afford going to the moon, which theoretically means they've been able to go to the moon for very, very long, maybe even longer than the moon.

Cristina: But it's not really a moon.

Jack: There is a moon up there.

Cristina: Oh, there is a moon.

Jack: In this scenario, there is actually a moon, but there's a hologram moon projected over the moon to hide the fact that the moon is its own civilization, essentially for elites.

Cristina: How does this.

Jack: This is no different hologram than flat earth. And over the ice wall that we're not allowed to cross, there being cities for elites. Okay, this is the we believe in science but they're lying to us version of we're crazy.

Cristina: Okay. But I don't understand. Like, there's cities under the hologram. How does this hologram work?

Jack: Hologram is. Well, we can't. The hologram is just projected onto the moon.

Cristina: Onto the moon?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's just so crazy. Okay, but like, if the people on the moon, when they look up, they just see the hologram of the moon.

Jack: The people on the moon?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, the people on the moon just see Earth. The hologram is on them.

Cristina: It's on them. Okay.

Jack: Look at it like this. If you stand in front of a projector.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Looking back at the projector, you just see the light that's projecting the thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But if you turn around, you will see the thing, the thing being projected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're on the side of the projector, seeing what's projected. They're on what's being projected. Just seeing where the projection is coming from.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And not even necessarily seeing a giant light coming from the sky where Earth would be, because it doesn't actually need to be literally so. Exactly. On the moon. They're just probably obscuring a part of the sky, preventing anybody from seeing the moon.

Cristina: Okay. Are they also the ones like, there's something in the dark side of the moon, or is that a whole different thing?

Jack: That's a whole other thing that has to do with the Apollo moon landing.

Cristina: That's the new. How?

Jack: Well, they think that the reason we don't go back is because the moon landing was real. But when we landed on the moon, we found something. We found something. We found many somethings.

Cristina: Like, alien something.

Jack: Yeah. It ranges. There has been talks that they have found buildings, they have found technology, they have found a bunch of different things. And on the dark side of the moon, particular, like on the surface, where it's not the dark side where we could see, there were little things here and there. But on the opposite side, on the dark side, which isn't really dark because it gets lit all the time. We just don't see it happen. There were buildings, maybe even alien settlements, maybe even alien civilizations.

Cristina: But, like, the aliens are alive. Are they there right now or is like ancient stuff?

Jack: Like, don't know. None of that is clear. It could have been. I'm sure this variance. These in some cases are probably like, we saw aliens and they were like, don't come back. In other cases, like, there was abandoned cities. That means there's something out here that killed Them?

Cristina: Yeah, that could totally, you know, sounds so horror.

Jack: Like the xenomorph is just really hanging up on the moon and s***.

Cristina: Yeah, that would stop us from going back.

Jack: Yeah, it's nuts. Like the possibilities of a city on the moon on the dark side. How would be nuts? That'd be so crazy. That would be really cool.

Cristina: Yeah, but what about all these planets to go to the moon? Do they not matter? Would all of these theories just disappear?

Jack: Well, no. All you got to think about relative to that is who's going up to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, because it's going to be astronauts.

Jack: It's the same f****** people who are hiding the secret in the first place.

Cristina: What about when they have just regular people eventually are going to be able to at least go around the moon? I think.

Jack: Yeah. I would argue that they're going to one, make routes that don't go through the dark side. That's the far end of the moon. We're probably not going to circle around the moon. We're probably going to fly by the moon. Thus the courses in which the route that we travel is intentionally planned so that people don't see giant cities.

Cristina: Okay, but they would at least show us where the actual landing spots are. I mean that should be proof for that. One thing that people worry about, like, is that real? We could finally see it.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. Yes, that should totally be up there. There is a conspiracy about the moon landing that suggests that the moon landing did happen, but it didn't happen when we thought it happened.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it goes like this. The idea is that the Russians were getting too close technologically to actually be able to reach us there. And because we're f****** egotistic maniacs, we couldn't let that happen. We have to be there f****** first. Because we're, we're the best, America.

Jack: That sounds right. Right. So we were like, no, we gotta do it. But we couldn't. And so we saw that they're just a couple of days from launching some s*** that'll get up there.

Cristina: So we did it.

Jack: So we faked it.

Cristina: We faked it.

Jack: Okay, we faked it. But that's not to say the moon landing didn't happen. They just obscured the timelines. And it goes like this, right? So we go into a facility in which we recreate the conditions we expect to see. Einstein's theory of relativity is pretty spot on. The last bit was proven after we saw gravitational waves. He's been a hundred percent right about everything. He's Ever predicted. Meaning basing everything on that, we had a pretty accurate estimate of what was going to happen when we got up there. We knew how the gravity was going to work. We knew how everything was going to function.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So we replicated what it would have been like to be up there, how the sky would look, how the. The moon's surface would look and all these things. And we did sort of a rehearsal landing where we land on the moon or whatever, but it's really a pool, the inside of a ginormous pool where we have the people.

Cristina: And we recorded that or something.

Jack: Yes. And we record that part and we digitally remove bubbles and crap like that. That's moving around in the water to enhance the moon effect. Now, everything that was done with all your scientists, you leave no room for error. You leave no room for chance. Everything is scripted to the T. Okay. So everything you were going to do on the moon, you had to rehearse anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: So that, you know, step by step, everything you were gonna do, how you were gonna do it, why you were gonna do it, every inch of everything had to be. You have to know how long you're on there. You have to move quickly. Don't waste feel no nothing. And so they replicate what was going to happen, and they record it and then air that. And it probably doesn't even air live. Like, they record the whole s*** first. They edit the whole thing and then they pretend it's live. They show it on tv. They make a big thing about it. Everybody's all excited. The Duke's mind blows out of his skull and he's like, whoa, these guys are my heroes.

Cristina: They're the manliest men in the world.

Jack: Yes. All of this and it didn't even happen. They were still planning to go to.

Cristina: The moon, and they eventually did.

Jack: Months to years later, they take the trip to the moon and do everything that was rehearsed. All of it. The flag is where it needs to be, the technology abandoned where it needs to be. Everything is where it needs to be. Because that was all part of the plan anyways, so that when people do travel through the moon, tourism and blah, blah, blah, they can land and see what was really there from the real moon landing, just not the one that they watched on tv. But it was identical. There's no difference other than it happened later.

Cristina: When it comes to the video, wouldn't people be able to know if it was edited in a special way?

Jack: People swear they think they can tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: That's consistently an argued thing. People look at the video all the time and they're like, look at this glitch and look at that glitch. And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Oh, but they do that with like the. The map of the world and stuff like that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Everybody's crazy. They do it with some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like the. The 911 bombing thing with the plane. It's like. Well, it looks like this from here. Looks like that from there was clearly edited.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: So it's like that's always f****** happening.

Cristina: That happens a lot. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Literally everything.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's crap that isn't even conspiracy theories that people just start making, digging into videos and being like, I see discrepancies. It's.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Okay. And a lot of evil clouds. For some reason. It's either some type of bomb or you see the devil in the clouds.

Jack: Oh, my God. That happens all the time. Yes. Anytime anything happens, if there's a fire, I see the devil in the fire. Those are usually religious people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Demons and.

Cristina: But yes, it's like one is a bomb or two evil clouds.

Jack: The other one is when the sky behaves a certain way. Like normal phenomena. That's just rare, I guess. Not normal, but phenomenon. That's just rare.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like the sky parts in a certain way and the God ray shoots from a specific direction and people are like, God is up there. Whatever. And it's like, man, that was just the clouds opening up in that one patch. Come on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like. No, you see, God is shining on a spot. There must be something important over that spot.

Cristina: It's always.

Jack: People need something to believe in, man. Whether it's a conspiracy theory or that God is aiming at like a grass patch or some.

Cristina: That's crazy. Has it. Have anyone seen Jesus on the moon yet?

Jack: Jesus on. I'm sure they have. There's some. There's so much weird s*** about the moon, man. People think the craziest thing about it, like the fact that the moon is hollow. People swear. People swear the moon is hollow.

Cristina: So there's a. Cities outside and it's hollow inside. Or the cities are actually inside this.

Jack: No, these are different conspiracies, okay? They're not all. It's not that the moon is hollow. There's a hologram on the moon landing whistle. Faked. But it did happen late. Like, it's not all. I mean, I guess it could be.

Cristina: Theoretically, someone could have thought all of these things are true at once.

Jack: They probably stitch it together in some manner, shape or form. To make it make sense.

Cristina: Yeah, like with the Illuminati things and all those conspiracy. There's a someone who connects every single event to that same one thing. Yeah, so it can happen with the moon.

Jack: Look, let's be real. We know the Illuminati doesn't do anything. We work for the Illuminati. We're here informing you. We wouldn't be telling you that the moon landing was fake. If it's real, we're telling you it's real. Of course I don't f****** know it's real. But I know that our bosses aren't responsible for anything. But there is definitely somebody out there trying to stitch everything. And based on how often we get blamed for everything, it. Like, if anybody was responsible, it would f****** be us. Right? Based on how often the Illuminati gets blamed.

Cristina: Yeah. So this probably has something to do with us.

Jack: It doesn't. But if anybody was to blame, like, who's the most likely culprit? If everybody says it's you, it's probably you. We know it's not. But, like, if it all. All of this is crazy, but if it all turned out to be true, then, s***, it was probably us.

Cristina: Well, yeah, we do know about the aliens who are obsessed with arches.

Jack: Yeah. And they steal all our cows to create. They need them for infrastructure. This has been established. Yes, the aliens on the Moon, on the dark side of the Moon, abduct cows.

Cristina: But any proof on this hollow thing?

Jack: Yes, there's actually a crazy little bit of proof which is kind of fascinating.

Cristina: Crazy little bit.

Jack: It's small and also big.

Cristina: Okay, what's that?

Jack: It's the craters on the Moon.

Cristina: The craters themselves.

Jack: Yes. There is a literal problem which scientists don't really understand even today, why this is the case. But the conspiracy kind of comes from that question mark, which is. The craters on the Moon are very shallow. They are very, very shallow.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: For the size that they are in width. If something impacted them that f****** huge, it should be way deeper. But it's not.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: The impact somehow didn't penetrate dirt. Loose dirt. It couldn't, for whatever reason. And the assumption is that the reason is because beneath the surface is a metal hole. And the. The meteors that hit the Moon go as far as the metal hole and shatter there, because they can't penetrate that.

Cristina: Ooh. So this is just an explanation to something that we already have questions about.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That's the best place to put a conspiracy.

Jack: That is the best place to put a conspiracy. It's kind of how God happens. It's like we got questions about this thing. That's because God did it. Yes, God did it. Why didn't that rock penetrate to the center of the moon? God did it.

Cristina: There is pro. Is that now.

Jack: I mean, that's probably like God is protecting the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know. But the smaller meteor meteors at land, the smaller meteors that hit the moon leave proper sized, but not the great ones, but not the big ones. The big ones seem to stop abnormally shallow. And there's no answer for that. That's how they measured. The question comes out of that. If it was just that it was very dense, a rock hitting it would leave a shock wave which would expand the dirt.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But not pierce too deep. But it doesn't apply when you hit it with something smaller that still seems to go as deep as it should and as wide as it should. If we didn't have the small ones behaving the way they should, then we'd just be like, well, no, all of them do the same thing. It's just really thick, dense dirt. And when they hit, it stops them to some degree. And so it's way shallower, even if the shockwave still disturbs the surface. But the small ones don't do that. It's only after a certain depth gets reached that it just stops suddenly.

Cristina: That is strange.

Jack: Yep. Alternatively, the real argument should be that the moon is incredibly credibly dense. But the fact that there's low gravity beats that argument. If it was very, very dense, it would have a lot of gravity.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But because it doesn't have a lot of gravity, we know the center isn't dense. But why is it stopping f****** giant meteors from piercing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Kind of weird problem, right?

Cristina: It's a weird problem.

Jack: Yeah. So they believe. Yes. Hollow in the middle. But it has a hull that they're impacting. There's something inside the moon. Maybe civilizations. Maybe it's an alien spaceship. That's a crazy one too. They believe that the moon.

Cristina: Okay, but that now we're going to.

Jack: Different things variants of what the moon being hollow means. So before there was explanations of the moon being hollow.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now what does it mean that it's hollow? So one is that there is alien civilizations there to just move them to a good system. And they found a planet in the right zone that they could park their ship around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they live in there and they don't bother us or anything. They're just living their lives or whatever. And it's self sustained. They just need energy. Maybe their own system, maybe their own system is too dead. Maybe the star exploded and the trip somewhere else is too far. Maybe just getting here was too difficult. And so they're just here, they're just staying here. So they just parked around the perfect spot.

Cristina: So they're just living in the moon.

Jack: Just living in the moon.

Cristina: People who believe in the hollow moon thing are they all, do they all believe that there's aliens in there or do some just think it's hollow? But that doesn't mean equal aliens?

Jack: Yes, there are some people that believe it. Well, in every instance the hollow moon kind of equates to aliens, but in different contexts. Like we were saying before, there could be a city on the dark side of the moon that has been attacked and is dead.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Similarly, it could be an abandoned hollow moon. The inside of the moon could have dead civilizations. Maybe it's ancient.

Cristina: Okay, so it could have naturally been hollow somehow. No, that's not a possibility.

Jack: No, nature doesn't work that way.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Everything starts from the center and builds outwards.

Cristina: Oh, all right.

Jack: So in the case of the hollow moon having a dead civilization, the two arguments are back to the xenomorph exaggeration, something them up. And that goes back to why we don't want to go back. Like whatever. We don't want to accidentally bring with us whatever the f*** we saw or we found out, or we got DNA for or whatever. We're like, we're not f****** with this. But it could have just been that there is ancient advanced technology up there from creatures that either built the hollow moon and lived in the hollow moon and went extinct over millions of years of being there, and that's it, they're just a civilization in there that expired.

Cristina: There's probably some aliens still there.

Jack: Who knows, There could still be aliens. That's a whole thing that there's probably still filled with, but it's self sustained. All their farms, all their food, all their everything is inside. So they don't really have to leave. And this goes to that sort of advanced. If you remember how the Mayans plugged into the matrix, essentially they could have the same thing. So they don't have to explore the universe. Okay, they just have these virtual realities which are extremely complicated and they just stay inside the moon without having to come out. Alternatively, the moon could have also been their main outpost, the inside of the moon where they had all their technology, other things. As they got ready to evacuate the system and keep exploring the rest of space. So it's not that they died, it's that they abandoned this, which to them is now ancient technology, but to us is extremely advanced that we can't understand it. And then this hollow moon theory of there being technology up there, whether it's that aliens are still up there, whatever, blah, blah, blah, builds into the hologram moon, in which they project a hologram onto the moon so that people don't see anything. But we're consistently making trips to try to study and understand technology. And then this dates backwards to where we start getting technological advancements that blow up. We got crappy ship, rocket fueled, barely any computer power. Our cell phone has more computer power than a f****** rocket from the 60s that got us to the moon. But technological advancement explosion began around the time that we landed on the moon.

Cristina: Where all those UFO conspiracies and Area 51 conspiracies after that.

Jack: Yes. The Roswell and all this bullshit.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: There was like whispers about things, but it started to get really solidified, started to boom way too much. And people are like, why didn't we have these advancements before at this rate? So only after a certain period is there just an increasingly faster development of technology.

Cristina: So the possibility of we found alien technology.

Jack: Yes. And we are reverse engineering it. And there's so much of it that we can't let civilians into the moon or onto the moon. And so we project so that they don't even see us going up there regularly. We're like, we don't go to the moon, but we can keep bringing technology over and over and over and improving, reverse engineering, taking it to facilities on Earth, Keeping some up there often. Yeah, it happens all the time.

Cristina: Oh, wow.

Jack: We work on. We get all our best scientists to work on something like, what the h*** is this name? The name of this guy? David Lazar. Bob Lazar. Bob Lazar, Yeah. So we get people like him to work on the technology that we've found and we're like, so we need you to reverse engineer, break it apart, tell us what's happening, explain all the details that are going on to us.

Cristina: But then that's going into like, there are actual aliens around. Do you think there's.

Jack: No, not necessarily. There's actual aliens around. Maybe they found corpses and like, they probably have like graveyards up there if that's the case.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But you don't think there's. Or like, one doesn't mean the other.

Jack: Yes. Unless they are just getting technology from aliens and there's just some people who are allowed to communicate with the aliens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like Barbalizar said, there were aliens. That they were literally working with them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And those aliens would in theory just be on the moon or in the moon. And we got technology from them. They're like here. You guys can figure this out. This is old to us but you guys can have it. And good luck figuring it out. I know our communication is rough, but we understand. We're peaceful. You're peaceful. Relatively speaking. And good luck. Figure it out then. Maybe we trade tech with them all the time.

Cristina: Things we've come up with the trade tech with them. But maybe because we'll figure something out that they didn't think of.

Jack: Yeah. 100. There's no way two civilizations landed on exactly the same things. I theorize that we could have even landed on different systems entirely of thought. Like we came up with math and we think it's inherent to the universe. But like, who the f*** says, like, yes, what we measure works. But imagine somebody else, a different life form lands on a different thing that isn't math and it works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Something entirely different that isn't math at all. And it works.

Cristina: Yes. What we would consider magic, etc.

Jack: And so we trade what we have with them.

Cristina: That's awesome.

Jack: So these are all just possibilities. And that's actually really, really interesting to me. The fact that there could be so much crap on the moon.

Cristina: But you actually believe some of these conspiracies then.

Jack: Not really. There's no reason to believe or disbelieve.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It really lands on the fact that we have to assume that the gut. Now this is an easy one to hide though. I don't know how the f*** the. It would have to be a hollow moon. I don't believe the hologram part. That's a weird one.

Cristina: That's very weird.

Jack: But if we're making trips up there, we see crap, fly into space all the time. We can't tell the difference. Like who the f***. It's a satellite. It's a rocket headed to the moon. Like who the f*** knows? You know? We're not out here looking. So they could be making trips all the time. They don't need no f****** hologram. They just lie about what the h*** it is. So the hologram part. Maybe I'm not so sold on that one. But the dark side of the moon having civilizations and stuff, that makes sense to me. That could be possible. I'm not saying I believe it, but it could be possible. Alternatively. There's also the conspiracy that the moon is not just hollow, obviously artificial, but it wasn't. Again back to the ship that's put there because aliens are using it to not share technology, not just find the hot spot to live or whatever. They're observing us.

Cristina: Okay. So it's to watch us.

Jack: It's an observatory.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They moved it there so they can want. And that's why it's title locked with Earth. They're making it so that we don't see them, but they're up there and they're watching and studying and they do make regular trips and what we see coming through and when we catch alien space. That's really.

Cristina: They're working on the documentary of Earth.

Jack: Yeah. They could just be studying humans, studying how life evolves, how primitive creatures move and behave and discover space travel and blah blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could have been there for way longer that. How long has the moon been there? The stories of the moon, forever. Yeah. So they could have been. That just could be an alien outpost and observatory that's been there for millions of years.

Cristina: Yeah. Where they placed it there or they placed.

Jack: Yeah, well I mean they placed it there, but it could have been there since before we started recording s*** before.

Cristina: We were even a human or even you know like a thing.

Jack: They just found life beginning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like that planet put it put. Put one of our satellites there. Which would be interesting because this is to say if they have the ability to track where life is beginning. Does every place with life beginning have a moon placed around it that's tidally locked so that there's always an observatory studying life Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting place would man when we find life one day it's gonna.

Jack: Be pretty badass, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now that being said, I'm over here saying I don't believe in the. The holographic moon. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There are weird things relative to that that have happened. Like there was a guy, he was. He was a YouTuber 2013. He was. His name is Crow777. And he began just recording the moon regularly all the time and uploading it regularly.

Cristina: He just loved recording the moon, love.

Jack: Recording the moon until it got weird. On one of his random recordings he saw the moon ripple.

Cristina: Is he sure that's what happened? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He saw the moon ripple and it was the only thing in the sky to ripple. And it rippled the way a TV with crappy signal would. You know how that line just old school TVs. That line would just clear through it yeah. And static would form. It would, like, fuzz out a little.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Yeah. And he called it the Glitch.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Is that still on YouTube?

Jack: I know, let's look for it. Okay, so that's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He moves the camera and the ripple doesn't follow the camera. It stays where it was on the moon, gradually moving up.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: F****** weird, right? Yeah, it's very interesting. And so that is pretty compelling.

Cristina: Yes, please look at that. You could still find that on YouTube. We actually looked at it.

Jack: Yes. The YouTube channel is called CRRO W777. And you will find it. It was uploaded seven years ago and it's called the moon is not what you think it is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And yeah, so that's a really weird thing that is there.

Cristina: He also mentioned something about Mars. Something else is going on. What?

Jack: Yeah, they didn't want to give him stuff for that. But relative to the moon, he. He has an interesting video there. It's kind of interesting. It's. He tries to be scientific. He tries to disprove as much as he can, and he swears there's a moon there. He's not saying there's no moon there.

Cristina: Yes. He's just suspicious whether the full moon, when we see it as the full moon, is that really what we're looking at?

Jack: Yes. He does not trust that what we see is. That's really there.

Cristina: Just. But the other times, though, when the moon is in the other phases, we are probably seeing it as is, because whatever we know.

Jack: See, that's where it gets weird, because he's assuming that sometimes it is, sometimes it's not. But we have technology to pierce that too. So it should be up there all the time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The moon probably has the phases we see, but if there is a hologram, the hologram also has the ability to project those same phases to be consistent with how the moon would behave in case some physicist or somebody is looking and trying to angle, like, no, wait, the moon is in the wrong phase. Because they can't just have the moon be full all the time, but it's done to cover something up. So if we have the hologram, then it's always there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that takes us to a different situation in which a man called David Johnson found and filmed a unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, just wandering. And he found a satellite that's not listed. He's not sure what it. But it was functional. It was on. And he sees that it's aimed at the moon, which is also very weird. So he recorded that, uploaded that, and the. He is assuming that this is a projection point. One of multiple projection points.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To be able to generate the image of the moon. Because why is there an unlisted satellite.

Cristina: Just looking at the moon?

Jack: Just looking at the moon.

Jack: So, yeah, that was a really weird one.

Cristina: That is very strange. What?

Jack: Yeah, so there. There are weird things about some of these cases that are, you know, supporting evidence, you could say. Like, nothing is for sure. Like, we don't know. Just because you found an unlisted satellite and maybe somebody's just secretly studying the moon, what the f***? They could do whatever the h*** they want.

Cristina: Yeah. No connection to actual scientists or secret government.

Jack: Yeah, there's no Illuminati running that thing. It's just people. Same thing with the hologram. Maybe there was some weird glitch happening in the camera that couldn't be explained. Maybe something about the light coming off of the moon was strange and the camera couldn't process it properly, and so it was trying to. But the panning is weird.

Cristina: The panning is super weird because it.

Jack: Should move with the camera.

Jack: That's a weird one. I don't know what to say about that, but that's a very, very strange one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, there are arguments that people have tried to make about the moon being a hologram. They say, you know, like, the moon predates hologram technology. But they obviously, obviously, you can't use reason to fight stupidity because you're like, it predates the hologram technology. And then the immediate response from the people who swear the moon is a hologram is all that data was tampered with. Oh, all the proof and all the ancient articles and every. All of it, everything, all history and stuff about the moon is fake. They tampered with it to make. To make us believe. Mad tampering. See, that's the least likely possibility. Yeah, it's too much work.

Cristina: That's a lot of work. Like, when the hologram happened, it was probably in front of our eyes and we didn't notice. Like.

Jack: Yeah, that's crazy.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's super nuts to even believe that. For some instances, they do believe that there isn't a moon at all, that there was once a moon and there no longer is a moon. It's not sure why there is no longer a moon, but that's why we have the hologram to replace the fact that at some point there was a moon and now there isn't.

Cristina: But there's something there or there's just. For some reason we just decided to put a. Had long.

Jack: There's just a hologram.

Cristina: No explanation. Like, it's just. We have.

Jack: Well, there's. Well, there's two different ones.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Something happened to the moon and we replace it. Maybe some. Maybe we were running experiments that destroyed the moon or something. And to hide that fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We put the hologram there so that nobody even knows we destroyed the moon. Alternatively, we come back to the Illuminati, we're the boogeyman. Be scared of us.

Cristina: What do we do?

Jack: They believe that there is no moon and that we've invented these holograms to fund moon research and milk society for money that way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How much are we making off of this?

Jack: Not enough for the level of expense going into generating the hologram and paying the actors who would then pretend to go research. Like, there's a lot of moving parts here. I feel like we wasted way more than we get out of it.

Cristina: We're just having fun with it. It's not. There's no reason for it, I guess. Like, it can't be for the money.

Jack: Trolling. We're just trolling. We're just trolling.

Cristina: That is crazy. Yeah, but if there was a moon there and then there's no longer a moon there, how is the moon still affecting us in the way it always affected us if it's not really there?

Jack: Interesting, right? Like these can't be possible. These are the least believable ones when it comes to hollow moon. That's interesting. When it comes to the moon hologram. Only if there's a moon there and only if there's point something there. Yes.

Cristina: There has to be something there that still does the same.

Jack: I think the hollow moon is the most likely out of all the crazy moon things. Obviously the. I guess the really, really most likely one is that the moon landing was faked, but did happen. Now that it was fake, that didn't happen. I just know the US kind of likes the bullshit once in a while. We're known for lying about s*** consistently to everybody all the time. So I wouldn't put it past us that the moon landing did happen just f****** later than we claimed. We showed everybody bullshit on tv just to be like, we beat the Russians.

Cristina: There and then we redid it or did it for real. Yeah.

Jack: Once we dissuaded the Russians from going.

Cristina: That'S all the head.

Jack: We just did it. They're like, well, they beat us. We gotta stop now. And then we're like, good now we have time to do this. Right.

Cristina: Okay. That's more American.

Jack: That's the most believable. Followed by the hollow moon. So that there's probably some life up there. Aliens either watching us or civilization living inside of the moon, self sustained or trading with us. And then on top of that, we could build the hologram moon covering up civilization. Maybe they came, put the things that are projecting the moon on that direction so that we are hidden. So that they're hidden from us.

Cristina: Yeah. We're not doing the projection.

Jack: We're not even doing it. They just got s*** in our orbit spitting up a hologram to where the moon would be.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So any number of things could be happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And maybe they don't even need to be spitting anything up. Maybe they can see out of the moon, but we can't see into it. Like a two way mirror.

Cristina: So the only one you're not in the side of is that there's no moon.

Jack: That there's no moon. That's kind of weird and kind of crazy.

Cristina: Kind of.

Jack: Yes. But I think there's possibilities for the moon like the hologram. I'm not past the idea of a hologram.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's just the reasoning behind that seems the dumbest. But like, yeah, I could believe that there's people who have funded having a secret escape location. Like we were thinking about fallout shelters as a real means of survival in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the whole Fallout series of video games is based on the fact that that was a thought we had. Send the rich into the f****** bunks and f*** everybody else.

Cristina: Bunks in the moon.

Jack: Bunks on the moon. Makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Buildings being built for the last 70 years, whole structure civilizations. Maybe they go up there already all the time just to chill.

Cristina: That'd be crazy.

Jack: Well, that's part of one of these theories that they go up there all the time. That it's just we already have technology. Yeah. People on Earth go to the moon.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Elites, rich people.

Cristina: To hang out with aliens or just.

Jack: Just to hang out.

Cristina: Hang out.

Jack: No, aliens just. They go up there to chill.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That's one of their escape locations to go. And in case of a tragedy on Earth, that's where they would go and live.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. That's totally believable. That's right up there with the moon landing being bullshit and then f****** being real later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because that's exactly some s*** that we do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: America's. F***, that's Earth as f***. Rich people are just like, f*** the.

Cristina: Little Guy, those billionaires.

Jack: Yeah. There's a f****** meteor headed towards us. We just go to the moon. F*** them.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: That seems legit to me. That seems pretty accurate.

Cristina: But not the highest.

Jack: What a probability. Yeah, no, that's definitely the moon landing. The moon landing being faked is the most likely out of all of these. Not to say the moon landing was faked, but I think the moon landing was faked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not that it didn't happen. I don't think there was no moon landing. Those people are too extreme. I think America is full of s*** and we lied until we got it done.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then everything is up there. Go ahead and prove us wrong. If you went to the moon right now, you'd see all the things. But you're also full of s***. Because. Because I was later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I think that's probably the reality of the matter. We lied about the moon landing and this is f****** fine. Like, let's be real. Who the f*** cares? It got done.

Cristina: Yeah. But now they can't back off on their lie because then we're gonna be like, what else did they lie about? Yeah, well, definitely doing that anyway.

Jack: Definitely. The alien testing part.

Cristina: The alien testing.

Jack: Because they were like, yeah, we've been trying to contact and trying to. Like, they just said that recently about Area 51. Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: First it was. No, it's just for. First it was, Area 51 is not real.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then I guess it is real. It is real. Like, okay, so didn't tell us anything. We already know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they're like, also, we got videos of things that are UFOs that we can't identify. And it's like, okay, f***. But like, we kind of knew already. And then they're like, yeah, and we run experiments here that might have to do things with aliens. Not to say we have aliens, but we run alien related experiments.

Cristina: Eventually they'll tell us they have a body.

Jack: Yeah, there's. They probably got a f****** body. And they're just inching. They're just little by little they can get there.

Cristina: When are they gonna just say so?

Jack: I don't know why It's a f******.

Cristina: Well, I guess we're more accepting over time. Like, would we have panicked originally? I mean, we were panicking. I don't know how this type of thing works. Like, you're trying not to get the people to panic, but they're already panicking from the little that they do know. And then when you finally tell them what they already know, they're not really panicking.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They have all the rights not to. We thought a bug that was more or less at the time that we found out about it, 100th as deadly as the flu at the time that we found out about it. And now obviously worse. But at the moment that we found out about it, this s*** that we've dealt with crap a million billion times worse. We found that about everybody in the planet panicked. Panicked, lost their minds and became irrational as f***. Started to beat the living s*** out of each other. Inside stores for toilet paper. Yeah, for f****** toilet paper.

Cristina: But they were told not to panic. They were told it wasn't as bad as it looked and etc.

Jack: As a result, we can't really trust the collective intellect of people and just be outright that we have aliens. I'm 100% convinced mass suicides on behalf of religious people is move number one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mass suicides. Life is meaningless.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: Everybody kills themselves. So many. The majority of the world believes in f****** gods and s***. That just goes out the f****** window just instantaneously. Minus the ones resilient enough to be like, they're lying to us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Minus that group of people. Everyone else who just believes everything a doctor and a scientist f****** tells them 100% of the time. No matter what the f*** it is, Those people just killing themselves, they're just gone forever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're avoiding that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's why we can't just be like, there's aliens. Because people would just kill themselves. They've proven in the case of toilet paper that we're too f****** stupid. We can't really handle anything. We just tell ourselves we can definitely. And it's really sad, but we. Yeah. They're inching towards it just to see if we're ready. Here's a little something. We're like, okay. Here's a little something else. Okay. The less we react, the more they give us. The more we react, the less they give us.

Cristina: That's a great way to do it.

Jack: Exactly. Because they know. They gaze where we're standing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's the AI from Alien. Yeah. If it's really, really hard, they ease off. They're like, okay. But if it's too easy, they start throwing more just to kind of, you know, bounce it off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To efficientize.

Cristina: It wasn't just UFOs that they let us know. They also. There was like, something about elements that they didn't understand.

Jack: Yes. There's just things we don't get, period. A bunch of crap. Whether it be technology, Whether it be UFOs, whether it be things that should theoretically be on the periodic table orient, or just things. Just things. Little by little, letting that trickle happen.

Cristina: But no aliens yet.

Jack: But no aliens. As for the. The hollow moon because of the depth of these craters, that could not be figured out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They did run an experiment in which they got a ship all the way up there, the ship broke into two parts, and then they slammed one of the ships into the moon.

Cristina: They slammed the ship into them?

Jack: Yeah. They crash landed one intentionally. Oh, just to see vibrate.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I mean, who else is gonna slam a ship into the moon?

Cristina: Sounds pretty crazy.

Jack: Yeah, it's an experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is to test vibration to sound and whatever. And the weirdest f****** thing happened with that. The moon began to ring like a bell. Like a bell for an entire hour.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Yeah. They landed, they crashed, and then.

Cristina: I don't understand. Okay. But then none of these things make sense because this is all about how they're lying to us. But they let us see this experiment and hear about this crazy nonsense about the bell ring, the moon ringing like a bell, but they're.

Jack: You just associated two completely random things that aren't related at all. People will just ignore the fact that that was done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Obviously, if they're showing us something, people are gonna be like they're lying. Okay, so assume anything they show us, people just think they're lying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's just. There's no reason to connect the two. This is anything the scientists did and anything the conspiracy theorists believe unrelated.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though the scientists obviously have the same questions, these conspiracy theorists.

Jack: Conspiracy theories are filling up the fact that we don't have an answer for the question.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes.

Jack: That's why it doesn't really matter. It's not this or that. It's kind of both.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in doing that and smacking the ship into it, it started ringing. It rang for an entire hour. And the only way that could happen is if something is hollow, something solid would absorb the entire impact and not make a sound internally. But it was vibrating from the inside out. So theorize that. That could definitely. In trying to disprove it, they were like, oh, s***.

Cristina: And now they know, or not really. They don't know anything.

Jack: They don't really know why it rang, but it kind of supported the whole hollow argument.

Cristina: Is there a recording of the hollow ring?

Jack: No, I doubt it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's probably reported and crap.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: That's very Alien what?

Jack: Yeah, it's freaking crazy. And the fact that it rang for so long, it means there was a lot of hollow.

Cristina: A lot.

Jack: They slammed something going crazy fast into it. Didn't penetrate too far. Obviously it wasn't going that level of strength to penetrate. Even if it was, it would have to be like the size of a giant meteor smacking into it. But no, it just left a giant ring.

Cristina: But if we saw a giant meteor hit the moon, would we be able to hear that ring? Or like, I guess if they were there to record the sound, they'd be able to catch it.

Jack: I believe so.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: But also anybody who's immediate. Then again, if it's not kicking up a bunch of debris and junk, because there is something stopping it, which seems to be the case, I guess, wouldn't be dangerous to be around there. You just have to sort of dodge getting hit yourself. And with however large this thing is, the momentum it's with, you don't want it to pull you in with it. Its force.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It'd be more complicated, I guess. We could have people there, we could have things there to record it. If we're lucky, it won't get destroyed. But, yeah, like it does. There's no harm of having something.

Jack: Yeah, you couldn't have. You don't want to risk just killing somebody for something dumb like that. But also, if there's a freaking meteor about to hit the moon, we got to get ready for, oh, yeah, like down here, we got to start making preparations. There's going to be meteor showers. There's going to be mass deaths. It's going to be crazy.

Cristina: We'll hide in the Hollow Earth, I guess.

Jack: But how long before enough of those s**** start causing earthquakes collectively because of the impact that's so consistent?

Jack: F***. Down there, yes. But out of all of these, like, crazy things, there's probably a billion more. But these are some of my favorite ones. I like the idea that there is a hollow moon and like the Mayans on Hollow Earth, that they, like, connected themselves to the matrix mode type of s***. I like the idea that on the hollow moon, aliens have connected themselves to some sort of matrix thing and have gone inward instead of outward. That's pretty cool. Maybe not all of them. Maybe that's just something they do naturally instead of exploring outward. They just, you know, live their lives in there. And it's like, hey, I'm going to the freaking arcade. And then plug into this virtual world inside. And they just do that for however Long. They want probably machines that new. Give them nutrition and crap.

Cristina: Do you think about aliens contacting humans and stuff?

Jack: That's a pretty cool idea too. Definitely possible. There is. One of the weird things we don't understand is why we became so intelligent, technologically speaking, around the 50s and expand so quickly. Now, when you look at our biology, we haven't, like, changed much since then. So that's a really interesting one. If you look at the past, we're very gradual evolvers. This part of our survival mechanism. We are really powerful at picking out what matters and writing that out. But there hasn't been a change since the f****** 50s and 60s, biologically speaking. That could just make us inherently way better at these things. And we had science for quite some time. We've had electricity for some time. For it to just suddenly happen around the time that we went to the moon, like, okay, that's kind of. That's kind of weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there's some possibility to that. I do like the hollow moon idea that the aliens were there maybe for a very long time and then left. They were from Earth. Ancient advanced civilizations from Earth used the moon to then build the technology. Less gravity, and they can take off as a fleet to explore the rest of the stars. That's pretty cool.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. People, I guess, are rich. Using the moon as a getaway.

Jack: That's pretty cool, too. That's dope. It sucks that we're gonna be left behind in case of an emergency, but that's expected anyways.

Cristina: Yeah. Whether it's the moon or the Mars or wherever, they're just.

Jack: Yeah, they're bad.

Cristina: Nothing happens here. We're stuck here.

Jack: They'll all board an ancestorship.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, it doesn't f****** matter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the same story. Every possible scenario. And I like how a couple of these tie up together. So they landed on the moon later. So the moon landing was faked. The moon was hollow when they landed. And there was life on the other side. The things on the other side are advanced a lot. Life forms that are watching us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Additionally, we agreed to them. Yes. They gave us technology regularly for NASA and the government that they interact with. And then we agreed to shield them further as our technology got better with holograms.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, we could tie all of these up together one way or another so they all function to some degree. The reasoning for some of them, kind of sketchy and dumb half the time, but it is cool that they can kind of function and be. Well, it is cool that we got there, but we lied about it first. And we did get there. We. We did get scared and didn't go back immediately, but did go back and communicate what was up there. And they gave us technology and we made packs and kept expanding and trading technology.

Cristina: So all the possibilities are pretty interesting. All the different ways this. All these things could work. Except for the moon not being there.

Jack: The moon not being there is f****** retarded.

Cristina: No matter.

Jack: Because we still have tidal wave. Not tidal waves. We still have tides.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that relies on the moon.

Cristina: Yes. Or at least something there.

Jack: At least something there. If. Fair enough. If the moon isn't there, something is there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And whatever that hologram is over is huge anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because it has to be big enough to have tides on Earth.

Cristina: Yeah. That's the only problem with that one. And then everything else is fine.

Jack: Yes. Everything else works flawlessly.

Cristina: Or that. Then. Yeah. The whole Illuminati using money. Use. Getting NASA to make money or the fake moon or.

Jack: So dumb. There's no profit in that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So dumb.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah. I guess that's kind of how that goes. And that's basically why you need to go find somebody to listen to the episodes with.

Cristina: Yes. To learn about weird moon conspiracies.

Jack: No. So that they get Stockholm syndrome. Listen to the episode, and then you kick them out. But then they're gonna be. Get really clingy. Exactly the same way the conspiracy nutcases do about whatever subject they're talking about.

Cristina: Oh, crap. That's what you're talking about.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. You like how I brought that back around? I know what the point of this episode was. It was to say that people are psychotic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're gonna make one of them extra psychotic and then regret it.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: But you would have had listened to an episode with the listening partner.

Cristina: Mm. And that's the most important thing.

Jack: Yes. And if you manage to get all those things done, then you can tell them, hey, crazy person who doesn't want to leave my home, I have a gun. If you forgot, get out.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, you got that gun to remind them exactly.

Jack: They're gonna leave no matter what. And you tell them, if you're really interested in this show and more things like it. They have so many episodes. You can find all their episodes. Guy or woman or other gender of any type that you would like to say. Xyz, the alpha Alphabet soup member. Listen. Alphabet soup member. You can listen to more episodes on the moon and other things. You can find that on the official website. If you Want guy, person, person. They. Hey, they. You can find them on the official website greatthoughts.info you. Could they. You could also find them on any other podcast platforms, like Apple Podcasts, Spotify, pretty much anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: It's very confusing if you just change what the pronoun that you're using. Like you say they, then you say you, then you say he, then you say she, then you just keep on.

Jack: Yeah. Just keep shifting it as you move forward.

Cristina: That's crazy. If you could do that. Try it. And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. On justcombopod.

Jack: Yes. And crazy person who doesn't want to leave my house. Remember, when you do listen, subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined. These guys are cool. They want your reviews.

Cristina: We do want your.

Jack: We do.

Cristina: We do. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Crazy person. When you leave and you subscribe and you rate and you review after you've found the platform, which you prefer to listen to the show, that you're no longer gonna listen to it with me, you tell somebody else, here's a gun. There's no bullets. Because I don't want you to turn on me suddenly. But use this gun. And just how I got you to love this show and get Stockholm syndrome. Now you can go find. Find your own person to listen with.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Do you just. What? What do they say? You pass it on.

Cristina: Is that what they call it? Yes.

Jack: Move. Passing it forward. Moving it forward.

Cristina: Moving it forward. Giving it forward.

Jack: Passing it.

Cristina: Giving it forward.

Jack: Giving it forward.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: Some like that you something it forward. And now they're gonna go do the thingy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then their Stockholm syndrome person has the same experience, and they go. And the community grows on and on.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: So now you're a part of the church of Shaggy, though.

Jack: Yeah. Actually, if you think of the order of the universe, it began as disorder, as chaos, and order came out of chaos.

Cristina: So it was first track.

Jack: It was first.

Cristina: Yes. And in the order of things, Shaggy came first.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Unless something represents nothing.

Jack: Well, here's.

Cristina: Or not nothing. Whatever came before this first?

Jack: Yeah, there was some. But I guess that that makes atheos not the top top. We have to say there's something bigger. Call it the God reality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then reality was there because it's potential. And then the destructive explosion. Something is that we don't know which that one is. Then out of that explosion, chaos happen.

Cristina: Happen, Mr. Saggy. Oh, chaos.

Jack: Crap is everywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as things begin to form through balance, because Atheos things begin to destroy in equal pace, matter starts to form, collides with other matter that starts to form and thus Shaggy slamming planets and stars into one another.

Cristina: So that's the work of both Atheos and Shaggy.

Jack: Yes. That leads to the eventual settling perfect balance of entire star systems and galaxies and clusters of galaxies.

Cristina: And that would be have to do with Spaghetti Monsters.

Jack: Full order. It goes down the line.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It starts at kek between the collective work of Shaggy and Atheos. It gets form and then from that form, that balance, you then find logic. Hypostafarianism.

Cristina: Yeah. Pretty awesome.

Jack: The unification of beliefs. It's pretty fascinating.

Cristina: Yes. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 122: Leprechauns and Other Fairies

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What creatures remained in Ireland after St. Patrick was done with it? And why did they stick around? Dissecting the concept of fairies on this episode!

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The Duo dive into leprechauns and fairies in general in order to understand the true complex nature of what the aftermath of the St. Patrick Massacre was. A desolate, monster infested wasteland is the least of the problem for the people of Ireland. It gets worse when spirits are introduced!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • St. Patrick Demon Hunter
  • Jehovah the Demi-God
  • Sprites
  • Peter Dinklage
  • Navi
  • Tricksters
  • Giant Rat Fairy
  • Banshee
  • Succubus
  • Jeepers Creepers

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to find somebody to make your listening partner, regardless of who they are, regardless of where they're from, regardless of. Even if you saw them on the street, casually, as they were walking, you point at them and you tell them, hey, you're my listening partner.

Cristina: And what if they walk away?

Jack: Well, then you resort to other means of getting that person who you've chosen and thus must be the one.

Cristina: They must be the one.

Jack: You chose them now. They are the one. They are the one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's how it goes. So the world works?

Cristina: You just make them the one?

Jack: You make them the one.

Cristina: Is it like love at first sight?

Jack: Yeah. You force them to be the one.

Cristina: The one.

Jack: The one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's your listening partner.

Cristina: That's not creepy.

Jack: No, no, it's very normal. People do it all the time.

Cristina: Mm. Guess what holidays coming up.

Jack: What holiday?

Cristina: St. Patrick's Day. Our favorite saint.

Jack: Yes, that's the OG saint. The saint that gets. He. Basically, he's God. He's the only guy God is scared of.

Cristina: He's a God. He's a guy God is scared of. What?

Jack: Yeah. God makes God do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants, simply because he wants.

Cristina: Yeah, well, God, I guess, isn't the only person afraid of St. Patrick.

Jack: I mean, he makes God scared. I'm sure just by, you know, process of elimination, everybody else should be scared.

Cristina: Yes. And everyone was scared. That's why I found the story, a different story of that he. Of him getting rid of snakes. But it wasn't just snakes that he got rid of. It was snakes and demons.

Jack: Snakes and demons?

Cristina: Yes. And there was this specific demon that didn't want to run away. When he told all the snakes and demons to leave and then they ran, what happened was he told them to leave, I guess. And so they drowned into the ocean. They listened and drowned and died.

Jack: Sweet, but what the f***?

Cristina: Yes. That's how he got rid of them. By murdering them with his words.

Jack: Sounds legit.

Cristina: Yes. And there's this specific one that can't pronounce her name, but in English, we could call her the fire Spitter.

Jack: The fire spitter?

Cristina: Yes. And she's either the devil's mom or all demons. Mom. Mom. Yes. There's two different ideas of what she was besides the fire spitter. That's what I found. It's unsure, right?

Jack: Kind of like vampire hunter D or something.

Cristina: Yes. So she might be the devil's mom. But anyway, when he was getting rid of all the snakes and demons from the island, she decided to hide.

Jack: So she survived for a little while. And she let all her children die.

Cristina: Definitely because she's too busy trying to stay alive.

Jack: It's like, f*** this. Every. Every man for themselves.

Cristina: Yes. So, like, he went on top of a mountain, and he told them to go into the sea and drown, and they did. And then she somehow. I don't know how she managed to escape, but maybe she, like, closed her ears when she saw him on the mountain. Like something bad is about to happen.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And it did. But he saw her before she could completely hide herself, and he chased her down with the fastest horse Ireland had at the time.

Jack: Faster than de Demons.

Cristina: Yeah, actually faster than demons because he did outrun her while she was running. She was too busy, though, throwing Spitfire into every water. Well, because she thought, oh, this is gonna take forever, and eventually he'll get thirsty and drink water. But he was smart and was like, I'm not going to drink this poisoned water. So he didn't drink the poisoned water, and he just kept going. And then he passed her, of course.

Jack: You mean caught up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wasn't raised. He wasn't like, well, I passed you. You're behind me.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then he waited for her. And then when she came, I mean, and then when he saw her, he jumped. He jumped out of his hiding spot and banished her. And then she also drowned into the ocean.

Jack: Sweet. Okay, so everybody died.

Cristina: Yeah, everyone died, but she was the last to die.

Jack: So he's just killer of demons, forcing creatures to commit suicide left and right and sell God. So he controls gods, angels, demons, everything. He's just some sort of overpowered deity that we don't even label a deity. But he's like. He's beyond the demigod.

Cristina: He's. He is the God.

Jack: Like, we have to assume Jehovah is a demigod based on the traits we understand. Jehovah, he's. He has emotions. Yeah, an omniscient God can't have emotions. That. That wouldn't make sense. Right, And God can get jealous, angry, all these things. God needs you to worship. Him. Because he's not. He tells you specifically, worship me. No. Other gods is like, okay, so there's others like you. You're not omniscient. You're not every God all at the same time. You're one of them. Yes, but it seems like the real omniscient God is Saint Patrick. What he had a horse, is faster than demons. He could just will that to happen.

Cristina: Well, they gave it to him.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: I don't. The Ireland people. Yeah.

Jack: It was just a normal. That means it was just a normal horse. They gave him a normal horse.

Cristina: Was the fastest horse.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like here.

Jack: But to them, fast is different than to him. And he got a horse and it was probably, you know, normal fast.

Cristina: It was like a winner of normal horse races.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. But then he got on the horse.

Cristina: He powered that horse, became the fastest horse.

Jack: Knight Rider type of s***. He got on the horse, the horse flamed. It burst into flames, and it was just leaving a trail of fire.

Cristina: It died that day.

Jack: As soon as he got off it, it just became normal. And it was on fire. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, it died.

Jack: But he doesn't care. He kills everything.

Cristina: He kills everything. Well, if you.

Jack: That's why God is like, I'll do whatever you want. Just don't kill me.

Cristina: Because God is just an angel, a demon deity.

Jack: He's a demigod.

Cristina: Okay. So complicated. But what's even more complicated is I tried to find out what a fairy was, right. Because of St. Patrick's Day in Ireland. And they're known for fairies, right?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And I'm so confused. I'm so confused. Fairies are so many things, but what they originally were, they were seen as deities. Gods. They were gods.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But then over time, because Christianity came to the island, they were demoted to stay around so that they wouldn't have to actually get rid of them. Because I guess the Christians actually like these stories, and they're like, wow, they're pretty interesting. But what if they were just creatures, magical creatures instead of gods? Because there can only be one God. So I don't know. Is God stronger than their God if he could turn them into magical creatures?

Jack: It was St. Patrick that did it.

Cristina: It was St. Patrick. Oh, yes. Okay.

Jack: The pioneer. The guy who brought Christianity to Ireland. St Patrick then decided, yeah, I'm a strip you guys of your exaggerated godlike powers. I don't want you to be gods anymore. Now. Now you're just f******. You're gonna be there like the humans. You can be just a different f****** creature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he did that, well, these.

Cristina: Guys were, I guess weren't that powerful anyway because they were the original people living on Ireland.

Jack: So you're telling me Ireland is Olympus?

Cristina: Is Olympus. Once upon a time, maybe like they were able to travel from the other world into Ireland and they loved it so much that they lived there. But then other people wanted Ireland for themselves. They've had many wars trying to defend their home, but they finally lost to St. Patrick. To the Irish people or to the ancestors of the Irish people, one led by St Patrick. Yes, he's a time travel as well. Time traveler as well.

Jack: Are we just to say that St. Patrick's is the real Kratos?

Cristina: Yes, the Kratos, Yes.

Jack: Yeah, he was just the mortal once upon a time. But eventually he killed a God, got all God's powers and used that to manipulate the rest of everything. St. Patrick, the real God of war.

Cristina: Well, from what I understand, these gods that were defeated by the Irish people shrunk themselves. They loved Ireland so much that they decided we'll just be small and live underground.

Jack: And thus the invention of midgets.

Cristina: Close, I guess. Leprechauns. Leprechauns and so many other creatures. Okay. There are so many different types of fairy races. You probably didn't think of them as fairies though. Which are dwarves, elves, gnomes, goblins, brownies and pixies.

Jack: The h*** is a brownie? Is that a racist term?

Cristina: No, it's just another short magical, human like creature thing. Yeah, they're all short magical, human like creature things.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. And what I feel like when somebody.

Jack: Says leprechaun, they mean all of these things. Leprechaun is the blanket term? Almost.

Cristina: No. Leprechaun is a type of fairy.

Jack: I get that.

Cristina: Fairy is the blanket term thing.

Jack: Fairies, the blanket term.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do Westerners say leprechaun and mean fairies and all the other stuff to Western like they mean fairy and fairies, the blanket term to them. When we say fairy, we think Na' Vi from Ocarina of Time.

Cristina: There's no fairy that's like that fairy. We made that up.

Jack: My point is exact.

Cristina: Okay, that's not a thing.

Jack: Westerners say leprechaun and mean all the different kinds of fairies.

Cristina: I don't know. I think we just see leprechauns as leprechauns.

Jack: Right. But if you showed us a different one of those fairies, what would we call it? We would probably call it a leprechaun.

Cristina: Even an elf. If we saw elf or gnome. We know what gnomes are.

Jack: Oh, S***. Okay, there we go. Now we're getting to places.

Cristina: Dwarfs. You know what a dwarf is?

Jack: A dwarf is just a person.

Cristina: No, they're magical little people. They're magical.

Jack: Whoa. So you're telling me Peter Dinklage is a magical fairy?

Cristina: No.

Jack: And that's why he has all these jobs.

Cristina: He's sprinkling has become two different things. Okay.

Jack: He's sprinkling his fairy dust all over people. You're telling me he's unfairly in justly getting these jobs when Wee man should be getting some of them?

Cristina: Look, fairies are complicated. They're very complicated. He may be a fairy because fairies could be every and many things. There's so many words for fairies. You could say fairy, but you can also call them sprites, you can call them spirits, you can call them supernatural entities. You can even call them angels and demons.

Jack: Right? Okay. We've established this in the Shadow Realm episode. For further information, go back there. Listen to that. Get informed.

Cristina: It is so annoying. It's so annoying.

Jack: It is. When I was figuring that out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I came across a lot of these problems in which limbo is purgatory, and that is the Shadow Realm, and that is an alternate version of this reality. And that what's there is here and here is there. And it's the same, but different. It has a different name, but it's the same. It's like. Yeah, it's complicated.

Cristina: There was one thing about the other, the other realm that I don't know if you talked about that I think. If you haven't, I just want to mention, though, is that time works different there.

Jack: Probably. The concept of time in itself might be entirely different.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, for the rare people that have been able to go there and come back, hundreds of years would pass by.

Jack: It depends.

Cristina: It depends.

Jack: It depends. Let's say you get there through some form of astral projection, and you're there as a spirit. Right. Your spirit might be over there hundreds of years, and over here, hundreds of years don't pass. You might come back after being hundreds of years over there and it was only one night's sleep over here.

Cristina: Oh, I read the opposite of.

Jack: Well, that's my point. It depends on the approach that's happening.

Cristina: Oh, okay. All right. So it's. That's as complicated as the word fairy. Okay.

Jack: It's very, very f*****.

Cristina: Yes. But. Okay, so there's the leprechaun, the most famous fairy. Right. Maybe.

Jack: I'd say that other than Navi, she's not a fairy. What the h*** is she. They call her a fairy.

Cristina: That's an American made up creature. So is Tinkerbell. Tinkerbell is not a fairy.

Jack: Well, she's not a fairy by their terms. But then you have to tell me that a Japanese dragon like Shenron and then a Western dragon, that's like a giant lizard, like an iguana, a ginormous iguana with wings that breathes fire, are not both dragons.

Cristina: Okay, well, we're. Right now we're just talking about Irish creatures. Okay. They're not Irish fairies.

Jack: Got you. They're not Irish fairies.

Cristina: Correct. Because this is an Irish episode to celebrate our favorite saint.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: So. Yeah. So what was it? Navi.

Jack: Navi.

Cristina: Navi. I guess that's a Japanese fairy.

Jack: Yes, but she's not an Irish. And she's specifically a Shinto Japanese fairy.

Cristina: Okay. And then I guess the Americans made. Not the Americans. The English made Tinkerbell.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. But yes, none of these fairies have wings. I guess is one interesting different thing from all the ones that you could think. The ones you mentioned.

Jack: Yeah, you can actually see that in a lot of cultures where there is a shift in there. If we go back to the dragons, the Japanese dragons don't have wings. They're just like floating snake things.

Cristina: I thought it was the Chinese dragon.

Jack: Oh, it's a Chinese dragon. Well, I guess both of them, right? Yeah, they're pretty similar.

Cristina: Okay. The Asian dragons and then.

Jack: Yeah, Asian dragons. There you go. The Asian dragons don't have wings and then the western dragons do. Yeah, the Asian dragons are kind of like a snake, but the western dragons are like a lizard.

Cristina: But they're both huge, I think. Right?

Jack: Yeah, they're both ginormous. Although I believe the Japanese dragon is much bigger. Do they have. Are there any fairy, like any dragon, like fairies without wings and like floating snake thing or. They're all little people.

Cristina: They're all little people. I will talk about. I do want to talk about some other creatures in Ireland that I don't know if they're under the fairy description.

Jack: Interesting. So then tell me which one are the fairies? What? Break them down and explain these to me.

Cristina: Okay, there's. I'm gonna mention like. Okay, there's the leprechaun, of course.

Jack: What's the get up there?

Cristina: He's the lucky fairy, I guess. He's the one with the gold in the end of the rainbow. And you can get it if you catch him. He'll grant you three wishes, but you have to do it quickly because he'll try to trick You. And that would suck.

Jack: Trick you how?

Cristina: Well. Oh, One of the things about these fairies is they're all tricksters. They're all tricksters. I don't know if there's any fairies that aren't tricksters, but they all seem like tricksters. And they're not seen as evil. Trick tricksters evil either. Yes, but some of them do sound evil. Some of them are evil tricksters. Some of them are just regular trolley guys. But the leprechaun seems like the good kind, I guess, of the tricksters. Anyway, there's a story about a guy who caught a leprechaun and he wished to be taken to the gold. And the. And the leprechaun did show him where the tree was, where the gold was hidden. So the man put a marking on the tree and he let go of the leprechaun to find a shovel. But then when he came back, all the trees were marked the same way he marked the tree that he had.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep. Yep.

Jack: So there was no way for him to tell which one it was?

Cristina: Nope. He really messed up on that.

Jack: Yeah, so.

Cristina: So if you get a leprechaun, he shows you the gold, you gotta somehow.

Jack: Get it at that moment.

Cristina: At that moment, yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I wonder if you can waste the wish, though, to have the leprechaun help you get the gold and also to leave you alone.

Jack: I'm sure there's wish rules, otherwise systems would be broken. You could also wish for many wishes if you could do that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah, but could you trust a leprechaun to tell you the rules of the wishes if there are tricksters?

Jack: Well, on the first one, you wish to be told the rules. If you have three wishes. On the second one, if it's not against the rules, then you wish for more wishes. And if it is against the rules, then you didn't waste a wish and instead you asked the leprechaun to help you. Unless that's also against rules.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In which case you still got two wishes, but I don't know, like, one.

Cristina: Of the other still has to be to show you where the gold is.

Jack: Yes. Okay, fine. So now you know where the gold is. The other one has to be, don't kill me while I take this gold.

Cristina: Don't kill. Well, he might not kill you. He just won't want you to steal his gold. So he's gonna do some other weird thing that probably hurts you, but doesn't murder you. Yeah, he's not evil.

Jack: Don't disrupt me at all.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While stealing Your gold.

Cristina: Alright. Even though they're not seen as evil, there are some stories where they sound a bit evil. So there's this story about a king who fell asleep on a beach and when he woke up, he found himself being dragged into the sea by three leprechauns.

Jack: To drown.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure to drown him. Maybe he's related to St. Patrick and they're like, we gotta get revenge.

Jack: It could be. Who the h*** knows? Maybe it was St. Patrick, but he.

Cristina: Was able to catch one of them and. And they granted him three wishes in exchange for them to release him.

Jack: And then what was one of the wishes?

Cristina: I don't know. To be released.

Jack: That's it. Guy just got. We got the story of a guy who caught a leprechaun and we don't know what he wished for.

Cristina: He died. It was a lie. They're just trying to cover up that they're evil because there's some. There's stories that differ between whether a leprechaun is harmless or really, really evil. So I guess it depends. I don't know. Some are evil, some aren't. That's what I'm going with.

Jack: There is a literal movie about evil leprechauns, I believe, called Leprechaun.

Cristina: Yeah, it's some weird horror movie series thing.

Jack: Serious. Oh, it's. There's many of them.

Cristina: There's many movies. So many. Like it's like a Freddy versus, you know, a Freddy movie or a Jason movie. It's just like he keeps coming back.

Jack: Oh, is it the same leprechaun?

Cristina: I'm not sure. I think so. It looks the same. Crappy looking version. I've never seen a nice looking leprechaun. Yeah, version, but okay, like Chucky. Who does he ever change his look? It's always the same dude being in a doll, right?

Jack: I think so.

Cristina: That dude is just unlucky. He should just die. His life sucks. I don't know what he's doing. Although everything he's doing in the rest of the movies make no sense because the. In the original movie he was. If he can't get into a child's body in I think a certain amount of time, then he's stuck in the doll's body. So that's it. He's stuck in that body like the rest of the movies don't make any sense of him trying to get into another person's body because he wasted the time. It's over for him.

Jack: Yeah, that's weird.

Cristina: But he still tries. But. And of Course, never does. But even if he managed, it doesn't make sense to the first movie unless they change that in the reboot. But anyway, there are other types of things that are very similar to leprechauns, and one of them is, I guess, he's a lot like a leprechaun. But he loves to drink and he's famous to haunt wine cellars and drink all the wine in there.

Jack: So he's an alcoholic?

Cristina: Basically, yes, he's the alcoholic leprechaun. And he's also described as a trickster and a practical jokester because I guess most leprechauns are. Then there's another leprechaun type fairy which likes to seduce women.

Jack: As a short individual.

Cristina: Yes, he's really good at seducing ladies. He goes to lonely places where I guess they're just like, why? I just want to fall in love. And then he comes and then they're like, whoa, make love to me. I don't know how his magic works. He comes on them and he comes on them. But it's very unlucky to meet him. Very. Because his skin is addictive and put in to it's toxic and addictive and seducing the person, they really. They really just become addicted to him. Like they need him.

Jack: Right, so it's his power.

Cristina: Well, it's his skin's power. I mean, yeah, it's his power, like superpower type thing. And the women end up dying from withdrawal after he leaves.

Jack: So they all die.

Cristina: Yep, yep, they die. But then there's the Farduring, which is the evil leprechaun, because none of those are evil. They're not evil. Except for that one that sounds a little.

Jack: How is this one any more or less evil?

Cristina: Well, this guy. Oh, his name translates to Red man. This guy Redman, he wears a red cape and hat and he does some really gross practical jokes. Like he likes to put people into sacks and kidnap people. And then there was a story where he makes them make him dinner and then when they look at the dinner, it's a witch. I don't know. I don't know how that's evil or whatever. That's just weird.

Jack: Very strange. Yes, yes.

Cristina: This is a very strange thing. But usually he just traps people in rooms.

Jack: That doesn't sound like malicious or evil. It just sounds like a douchebag.

Cristina: And. Yeah, it does. It does. He does terrifying noises. One of them is described as laughing like a dead man, which I'm not really sure what that sounds like, but that sounds like, it would be terrifying if you knew that that's what you're specifically listening to. Maybe it's a person you knew that died and you hear that laughing.

Jack: That would make sense.

Cristina: That's kind of horrifying.

Jack: Yeah, Like a very distinct laugh that you shouldn't be hearing.

Cristina: Mm. And he's also the people. The person stealing the human babies and replacing them with changelings. Remember the changelings we talked about last year?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yep. He's the one. He's. He's the one doing it.

Jack: Why does he kidnap the children again?

Cristina: To replace them with. I don't know. To replace. As a joke, I guess. To replace them with fairy children. Right.

Jack: And then what does he do with the kid?

Cristina: Don't remember we talked about this last year, and I don't remember. You don't remember?

Jack: No.

Cristina: I'm not sure. Maybe the kids are slaves while they're baby. Like, they don't.

Jack: Underwear gnome logic.

Cristina: Yes, But I guess the purpose, though, of stealing the human babies so that these other babies could be raised and they don't have to actually raise the babies. Fairies are lazy, and they don't want to raise their babies. So they're like, let's get these humans.

Jack: To raise our babies minus a human baby they now have to raise.

Cristina: I'm sure they're not raising those babies. They throw them in the trash.

Jack: And thus the question of where trash babies come from is answered.

Cristina: Yes. That's where trash babies come from. They're also. They also bring nightmares. And they just. They just like to terror. Terrorize people. They just love terrorizing.

Jack: I mean, minus the kidnapping part. Everything else is pretty. Pretty chill.

Cristina: Even the swapping babies thing is chill.

Jack: That's the part I'm talking about.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you meant the other kidnapping of, like, when he made the guy cook and then it somehow became a witch, or trapping the person in a room, and then the scary voices.

Jack: None of that is kidnapping.

Cristina: None of that is kidnapping. But that all sounds pretty bad. No. Okay.

Jack: Sounds scary, not evil.

Cristina: Okay. Well, there's one way to avoid his tricks. You have to say, you will not mock me before he traps you.

Jack: So you could just walk around saying, you will not mock me.

Cristina: Yes, but they. But it's really hard because they set up very good traps. So you have to say before you're trapped, but you might end up being trapped before you say it, so you gotta say it. I guess you have to walk around saying it, just hoping not to get trapped.

Jack: Yeah. Or is it just, like, how. What's the Deadline on this. Can you just say it now and then you're just good forever?

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. Probably not. You probably have to walk around saying that they're also called rat boys because they're fat.

Jack: The evil ones?

Cristina: Yes, the evil ones. They're fat. They have dark hairy skin. They have a long snout and a skinny tail.

Jack: So they don't look like dwarfs. No, they don't look human.

Cristina: They don't. They look like a giant rat. I guess they look like a. They look like a giant rat. But they're still described as being a type of leprechaun. But an evil leprechaun.

Jack: An evil rat. Leprechaun.

Cristina: Evil rat. Leprechaun. Yes. That cause nightmares and bad luck.

Jack: I feel like this is totally backwards because instead of it being a little person, it's just a giant rat.

Cristina: It's just a giant rat. Oh, it is a giant rat. Yeah. Maybe it's not a leprechaun. Maybe it's just a giant magical rat.

Jack: Sounds like it.

Cristina: Yeah. So then it's just a fairy. Not really a leprechaun. A leprechaun. So who knows. And then there's some other Ireland creatures. There's these things called the Merrow men. And the merrow. The Merrow men are ugly sea creatures. And the females are called marrows. Are beautiful because they're always beautiful, aren't they? All the women are beautiful in these type of stories.

Jack: Yeah. That's how the succubus is so attractive. And the incubus is, I don't know. A monster.

Cristina: Yes. Oh yeah, we talked about that too. Yeah, that's. And the Merrell. The Merrells are not. They're not mermaids. They have human legs instead of a tail. Except that they're. They have large flat feet and webbed fingers to help them swim.

Jack: So they are basically the swamp creature.

Cristina: Yes, they're the swamp creature. And the Merrell's ability to. To swim in water or to travel in water is from her clothes. She has a cape or a cap, depending on the story. And when she takes it off, she loses the ability. And usually a man will find it and hide it so that he could marry her because she's beautiful. And also she has lots of gold from the sea, I guess.

Jack: Okay. Sweet. Fantastic. So like a half fish woman. That's gorgeous.

Cristina: Yes. And rich.

Jack: And rich.

Cristina: Yes. And then. But if she finds her missing cape or cap, she'll end up running away and returning to the sea, leaving her husband and their children and many Families claim to be descendants from these Merrells who were entrapped by fishermen.

Jack: Really? Like, somewhere up the line, their grandma was a fish lady who jumped in the water. And we're sure that it wasn't just a crazy lady who committed suicide?

Cristina: Yeah. It could just be a lady who just abandoned her family. Maybe committed suicide, maybe not. Maybe she just abandoned her family and they were like, no way would she abandon us. She must have been a marrow.

Jack: Chances are the father made that lie up for the children.

Cristina: Yes. And then there's this thing called a banshee, which is a female spirit. I'm not sure. Spirit, fairy, sprite? I don't know.

Jack: I've heard of banshees. They're known for screaming.

Cristina: They're known for screaming? Yes. Well, crying. They're considered a omen of death. Whenever you hear her, you could assume someone's about to die.

Jack: That makes sense. They. They're known. You like, you hear them in the woods and s***. A lot of the time you hear the screams of a banshee. There's a couple of songs about that too.

Cristina: Really? Well, there's some stories where they just find her by their window. She's just next to their window crying.

Jack: That's f****** horrifying.

Cristina: Yes, well, her appearance isn't that. Well, sometimes. It depends, because she has three different appearances. She can look like a young lady, she can look like a regular woman, and she can look like a withering hag. So her age varies.

Jack: F****** banshee.

Cristina: And she can also appear as a crow, weasel or another creature called a stout. That, I think is also a type of weasel.

Jack: I didn't know that. So she could, like, shapeshift.

Cristina: Yeah. And I have three stories of this banshee lady. There was a couple who stayed at a friend's castle, a friend's castle. And on the first night around 1am, the wife heard a cry by the window. And when she looked, she saw some lady there, a lady leaning on the window, crying. And she woke up her husband scared and stuff. And then in the next day, they told. I don't know if they told their friend the story, but anyway, the next day their friend told them that she was all night up because she was with her dying cousin and her very sick cousin. And at the same time, he died. Okay. She told them that even though it's the best room of the house, there's a ghost of a lady that haunts the house. The ghost is of the former owner of the house who killed his wife. His pregnant wife. And that's the banshee that hangs out in the window?

Jack: His former wife? Yeah, but she died inside the house. Why is she hanging outside as a ghost?

Cristina: Why is she hanging outside as a ghost? Because that's what banshees do. I don't know. There's no stories of a banshee hanging out inside a house.

Jack: So she got killed and was like, I'm gonna go outside now.

Cristina: What if she got killed outside?

Jack: I thought she got killed in the house.

Cristina: No, he got. He died in the house. Her cousin died in the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her?

Cristina: No, The. The owners of the house. The original. The former owners of the house. The husband killed the wife.

Jack: And that's the banshee.

Cristina: And that's the banshee? Yes.

Jack: The wife that died.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why didn't she haunt the house from inside the house where she died?

Cristina: We don't know that she died inside the house.

Jack: Didn't he kill her in the house?

Cristina: He killed her and they lived in that house.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: But that doesn't.

Jack: Got it, got it, got it.

Cristina: I understand.

Jack: I understand.

Cristina: Like, yes, maybe he did kill her in the house, but I don't. We don't know that. We don't know where he killed her. It could be anywhere. So. But that's one story. Then there's stories where people from Ireland, they move far away and a banshee still follows them. It finds their way to them.

Jack: That's interesting. Reminds me of that show that's totally full of s*** of the people who moved into the house. Or do you know the people who tell them they're f****** the time I saw a ghost or whatever the f***. And then they got reenactors and s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ghost story in the room.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, okay.

Jack: That s*** that. This reminds me of that, like, he would. They were like, if we move, we'll be fine. Then they did, and then he stopped seeing her for a while, and then she popped up again.

Cristina: Well, she was hispan. She.

Jack: Except she wasn't screaming. She was just hanging in a closet. Except she was originally from the closet that she was hung in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then she was just like, now, Imma go hang in your new closet.

Cristina: Yes. And then I think he also saw.

Jack: Her outside, which makes no f****** sense because presumably she was haunting the place, Meaning now she haunts you. And anybody who lives in that house is fine.

Cristina: Now, I don't. I don't know how ghosts work. What if they can haunt more than one thing at a time?

Jack: That's crazy. Anybody who goes through that house is haunted by the saint. So if everybody in the world stayed at that house and then moved, they would all be haunted by the same ghost at the same time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's what's happening with this banshee. Basically.

Cristina: Except none of his family was haunted and they all lived there. Maybe have to be in that specific room.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: How are we gonna get all these people into that room?

Jack: That's crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy. But yes, like the banshee and these, these two stories, they moved to. They moved to Canada and Yeah. They heard the cry. And then the next day in one of the stories, the man of the house and his oldest son died in a boating accident. The next day after they heard the strange cry, they also asked people about the strange cry and no one saw anyone by the house, but they all heard the cry.

Jack: That's fascinating. I wonder if that has happened recently, like with banshees, you know? So banshees is an Irish creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Because that's prominent in Western culture. That's prominent as h*** over here because.

Cristina: Irish people came over here and brought their banshees.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. Can you imagine? Like, let's say banshees are for facts. Real, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, I'll probably hunt one down. We'll make that a mission. We'll add them to the collection of f******. What do we have so far? F****** werewolves and reptilian vampires. And vampires. We got a bunch of s***. Imprisoned.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On Mars.

Cristina: We want to find if banshees can haunt people that aren't related to Irish.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So that.

Jack: That'll be interesting to see a banshee for now.

Cristina: Alright. Because some first. For now it's only been people from Ireland or. Yeah. That have some blood in Ireland that they hunt.

Jack: That's so weird. I'm curious. A banshee is a really weird creature. It really is. Because it's like a person, but also not.

Cristina: It's not a person.

Jack: Yeah. Because like you're saying in Irish culture a banshee is a leprechaun.

Cristina: Not a leprechaun.

Jack: A fairy.

Cristina: A fairy? Yes.

Jack: Okay. It's a fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In Irish culture the banshee is a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. The best description is a spirit. But to me it seems like spirit could equal fairy. Could equal whatever.

Jack: Yeah. Because they're used almost interchangeably.

Cristina: Yeah. So that's why I'm not sure what she is.

Jack: So when we get to her, it's kind of vague. Because a woman died and became a banshee.

Cristina: Yes. In this story. Yeah. Or the banshee haunts where the woman died. And it's not the woman.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Interest. Holy crap. That's kind of fascinating. Wow. So it could either be that people turn into banshees or.

Cristina: I never thought that people could turn into banshees in. With these things. It seems like these creatures in Ireland are separate things. They're not human. Yeah. They're their own species.

Jack: Enter the shadow realm, a place where there is a part of people that naturally exists. And upon crossing the threshold, that was still the person, but it's also not. So is the banshee a tortured soul from the shadow realm that crossed over. So maybe it was that woman's spirit. Yeah, but the shadow realm version, maybe. Intense emotion, fear, and all these things that are required for a creature from the shadow realm to manifest were all present at the death of this person and maybe lingers in there as people know about the story and create the fear that allows the banshee to continue manifesting on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is her tortured soul from the other side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Although she died somehow, her soul didn't die. Maybe adrenochrome isn't the only way.

Cristina: Yes, maybe adrenochrome is, but then that would mean like all the emotions and feelings and stuff are somehow part of it.

Jack: Yeah. Because we know that people extract adrenochrome or whatever they're getting that keeps them alive from the fear itself.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Where they don't need the adrenal chrome. So if you get enough of that all in one shot. Is that what a haunting soul is? Like a spirit that's left behind? Right. And you're haunting a place. That's your version. That's your spirit that's from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That came through. But why? It's usually because you were killed brutally or some. Some horrible thing happened, except your soul couldn't fade away. The crazy amount of emotion, fear, sadness, all those things existed at the moment of your death and tethered your soul to that.

Cristina: But it's still. The Banshee is very different from regular ghosts because it's. It's only here to warn you. Like someone's about to die, which regular ghosts don't really do anything.

Jack: Or Spirit. Yeah, because ghost is an spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Regular spirit or shadow person.

Cristina: Yeah. As far as we can tell, they're not any type of warning sign. They're not going to tell you anything. Thing about the future.

Jack: Yeah. They're not there intentionally. They're just echoing through. Or if they.

Cristina: The banshee is more like the groundhog?

Jack: Yeah, it's more like the groundhog. It's there for information of some sort. But my question is, is it choosing to, or is it a reflex? Is the Banshee incapable, capable of telling.

Cristina: People that it's someone they know is about to die?

Jack: Yes. Do you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, do they have to do it even if they didn't want to? They're just somewhere where death is. And they scream at death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then again, if we think of the Shadow Realm. Again, not to stay on the Shadow Realm topic. The reapers also call the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Other realm, because that's what this is in this place now, I guess.

Jack: So the other Realm, the reaper comes from the other realm. And the Reaper handles life. It is a delivery mechanism in the form of a physical being.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And maybe the Banshee is terrified of the Reaper. Of the Reaper. Because it's always maybe coming for the Banshee.

Cristina: She's warning about the Reaper then.

Jack: I don't think she's warning anybody.

Cristina: She's just horrified. Of the Reaper?

Jack: Yes, because that's a lingering tethered soul to the wrong side. And the Reaper delivers souls.

Cristina: I don't know. But I think this third story might change our mind a little bit about that. Because in the third situation of a Banshee haunting a man because his daughter was gonna die, but he didn't know that she was healthy, strong, and beautiful. And then one night, he heard a voice coming from his window, and it said. Which is weird. Like, they usually just cry. And it was crying too, but it also said, in three weeks, death. In three weeks, the grave. Dead, dead, dead. That's what he heard. And then the next day, his daughter got sick or was showing symptoms of a fever. And then three weeks later, dead.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. So it was a warning.

Cristina: It was a real warning of, like, I know what's gonna happen.

Jack: It's not that they're seeing death actively in the area, even if other people can't, because they themselves are ethereal and seeing other ethereal beings.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's that they're seeing the future.

Cristina: Yes. Like, maybe it does see death coming, but it knows, like, specific.

Jack: Oh, my God. We're missing one thing that you mentioned earlier.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And then I specified earlier, time works differently on the other side. So maybe from this side they're saying, death is coming, but it takes crazy long here. But from that side's point of view, it's immediate. He's approaching quick. But it could be weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. Even though this one is specific. Or maybe he remembers it as it being super specific.

Jack: Maybe they were super specific. Maybe the person the banshee telling the information knew specifically the. The conversion rate of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And was like. Well, it takes them about three hours on this side, so we'll say like three weeks.

Cristina: Yeah. So like banshees may know the time difference equivalent of what's going on. Okay.

Jack: Just a possibility.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. And then there's the Fear Gorda. And Fear Gordas look like zombies. Actually. I think they are zombies, but we're just gonna. Well, they're like zombies from like old fashioned zombie movies. Like they're. They got bones popping out of their body. They're like super thin, they have bluish skin and their flesh is rotting.

Jack: Yeah. So it sounds like a zombie from an old school interpretation of a zombie, but like a freaking God decided to look like this s***. It was like f****** reason for it though.

Cristina: During famines it comes around and it asks for food. It asks people for food who are already dying in a famine. But if you give him the food, he'll reward you with. But if you give him food, he'll reward you with a lifelong wealth and prosperity. And those who don't give him food will have bad luck and poverty.

Jack: Sounds pretty badass. So he's testing the morality of people.

Cristina: Yes. In the worst situation, in the life and death situation, because it's a famine.

Jack: So you're starving. I'm starving. Do you care about others? Can you.

Cristina: That's a true test. That sounds very godly.

Jack: Yeah, that's very noble.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's testing a real person. Like, do you remain a good person in the worst of circumstances?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then you deserve good things.

Cristina: Yes. That's pretty interesting. Yeah. And then there are stories. There's two. There's like. Okay, I'll say. There's like three stories of these creatures that are very vampire. Like the author of Dracula might have based it on these creatures because he's Irish.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: But he also liked folklore, so. And he did travel, so he of course also based on other famous vampires and stories.

Jack: Transylvanian legends and whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So the first one is called the Avatar, the evil Irish magical dwarf king who was like. He was just pretty evil. And he killed. He was killed and buried standing up. And then the next day he came back from the grave and used his magical powers to be even more crueler than he was before. And he loves to drink the blood of his victims, of course. And there's only one way to stop him. You must kill him. And Bury him upside down. Very vampirey.

Jack: Very vampirey. Including all the weird ways to get rid of them and crap.

Cristina: Yes. The second vampire is a lady, and she is called the Red Bloodsucker. She's known as the Red Bloodsucker. She seduces men and then drains their blood. One of the stories about how she became a vampire was that she was in love with some poor peasant dude, and her father didn't like that, so he made her marry some rich dude who treated her terrible. And then eventually she committed suicide. But then she came back to get revenge on her father and her husband, and she sucked their blood until they were dead. And then now she does that once.

Jack: A year to random people.

Cristina: To random people.

Jack: She's Jeeper Scrapers.

Cristina: Well, to men, specifically. She wants men.

Jack: Oh, so she's a succubus.

Cristina: She's a Succubus. Well, yeah, but she's a vampire. And there is only one way to, quote, unquote, defeat her, because it's not really to defeat her. Like, what, did you compare her to a succubus? No, before that. Jeepers Creepers.

Jack: Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: To stop her is like, Jeepers Creepers. You don't really defeat her. You put rocks on her grave and then she can't get up.

Jack: Yeah. You just enable her.

Cristina: Yeah. For only a year, and then she'll try to get out, and then you got to put some more rocks.

Jack: She sounds very Jeepers Creepers.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe Jeepers Creepers was inspired by some Dracula stories or.

Jack: No, it was actually inspired by a song.

Cristina: By a song. Oh, yeah.

Jack: But that song could have used not only the song, but it could have been like a mesh of this story, a song, and a bunch of other crap to make. Because Jeepers Creeper is a scary m***********.

Cristina: Yeah. But that whole coming back every 23 years, or whatever it was isn't from the song, though.

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. So like, maybe that was inspired by this type of story. Yeah. And then the third vampire, like, person or demon? This one's more. This is a fairy vampire, and her name is Lennon Sid. I think that's how her name is said. And she's a demon that likes to inspire poets and musicians. But once they. Once they make the thing that they're gonna make, I guess she drinks their blood, she shares with them her intelligence, creativity, and magic. But when she leaves, the men go into a deep depression and they die. Then she will take her dead lovers back to her lair. And then, rather sucking their blood, she puts their blood into a Giant red cauldron, which is the source of her beauty and artistic inspiration.

Jack: Fantastic.

Cristina: Yep. So to prevent her from rising, you have to also put stones on her resting place.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. So definitely a vampire, too.

Cristina: Yeah, she's a fairy vampire, which I guess the dwarf guy is a fairy vampire because dwarves are fairies. But then the second lady, she's just a vampire. She was human, and then she became a vampire.

Jack: So we're back to the same problem of the difference between a spirit and a fairy.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. That's why it's all so complicated. And I'm not really sure what is. What if they're all the same or if they're not the same or whatever. Where's the lines?

Jack: Yeah. Cause it seems like they do blur.

Cristina: Yes. And then the last creature, because there's so many creatures. But I'm just gonna stop at this one. It's called the Questing Beast. It is a cool creature. It's also an evil creature who has the head of a snake, the body of a leopard, the backside of a lion, and the hooves of a deer. And its cries. Its sound. The sound it makes sounds like the cry it makes sounds like the bark.

Jack: Of 30 dogs all at once simultaneously.

Cristina: Yes. And I think it's called the Questing Beast because many knights have tried to defeat this beast. I don't know if any has succeeded.

Jack: But so they go out of their way. It's an accomplishment. They're trying to do status thing. If I defeat it, I am a legend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so it's a western dragon again. You go defeat the dragon for the status now. It will be the best knight ever. Everybody will know. And so the Questing Beast is the same idea.

Cristina: That's the same thing.

Jack: Very interesting. It sounds like a Pokemon.

Cristina: It sounds like they'll turn this into a Pokemon someday.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. Then again, they don't make Pokemon out of animals anymore. It's sooner that you'll have, like, microphone. The Pokemon. There probably is a microphone Pokemon. I'm pretty sure that's a thing already.

Cristina: No, not yet.

Jack: I think that's. There's a microphone Pokemon.

Cristina: That's the next evolution. I mean, the next season or whatever.

Jack: There's a Pokemon. It's called, like, Mikey or something.

Cristina: No, it's not Mikey.

Jack: Yeah, man. There's totally a microphone Pokemon. Oh, my God. What is it? What the h*** is that thing? Is that a real Pokemon?

Cristina: I think that's fan. A fan art. Because there is a Pokemon that has different forms that looks like that, and that's what they're making fun of, I think.

Jack: Okay, fair enough.

Cristina: But we could double check. Look, his name is Rotom, the voice form. Okay, let's see what Rotom's different forms are, though. Okay, so he's Rotom.

Jack: Could be a frigerator, f****** lawnmower. Modem, a laundry. He could be a washing machine. He could be a grill. He could be a fridge, a freaking fan. And what the h*** is that other one?

Cristina: This one? This one. The original, I guess, is just, like, normal electricity. Yeah. And then he. Yeah, he turns into things that need electricity.

Jack: Bro, what the h*** is going on with Pokemon?

Cristina: Close enough. You're right. There's a microphone.

Jack: There totally isn't, but there should totally be a microphone.

Cristina: Look at him. He's a Pokedex.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Cristina: So there's fan art of, like, the many different things he could probably turn into. If you can be these things, there's probably a limited, unlimited possibility of what he could actually turn into.

Jack: Freaking Rotom.

Cristina: As long as they're electric. I mean, electronical, right? Yeah, like a computer.

Jack: That makes perfect sense. But it's like, why is this a freaking Pokemon? A blender. A toaster.

Cristina: I'm not sure what this one's supposed to be.

Jack: Where's the other one? Next to it.

Cristina: That one?

Jack: No, the one that's a toaster. What the h*** is that?

Cristina: No idea. Okay, so people are getting really creative of what this should look like. What?

Jack: Freaking Rotom, bro.

Cristina: Yes, I would like to see Quest Beast as a Pokemon.

Jack: That'd be cool. Questy. Questy Equestrian.

Cristina: Oh, that's a cool name.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it is a cool name.

Cristina: Well, that was awesome. And there's a lot of creatures in Ireland. Ridiculous. That place is popular.

Jack: Yes, but what has made me interested about everything you've talked about is really digging into a banshee. Yeah, like, at this point, we've become the new Sam and Dean. They're off air. They're. They're. They're living their lives. We still hunting? S***, they stopped. We're still going. We're still hunting.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the ones that taught us.

Jack: Yeah, except we have a freaking army of subhumans provided by the Chinese cloning program. Yeah, which is totally fine. Look, it's totally fine. Actually, it's not the cloning program. We're the clones. It's all the aborted babies.

Cristina: The aborted babies make the.

Jack: The subhumans.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Aborted babies equal an army of subhumans that are superior because they're genetically engineered and then turn into Superhumans that then we use to hunt these creat like the ones in Ireland. And now I am fascinated by a banshee.

Cristina: Except that these creatures have. Are really secretive and they can hide and stuff. And like, I don't know. Finding a banshee really hard.

Jack: I'll figure it out, okay? I will figure out finding a banshee.

Cristina: Well, that's gonna be fun.

Jack: It's gonna be astounding. I will find the banshee by any means necessary.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: I promise. That much.

Cristina: I can't wait.

Jack: Yes. It's gonna be exciting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys enjoyed this conversation and many conversations of this nature already exist on this show, that you can go find those locations would be to find them on the official website, greathoughts.info Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. UsConvopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review.

Cristina: The show and let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. It's totally amazing. Scream at people as if you were a banshee and tell them, hey, you're gonna love that. And they're gonna be like, yeah, I will. And you're like, yeah, cool. Scream with me. And then they'll scream with you. You should do that to random people on the street. Because they love it.

Cristina: They love it.

Jack: They love it.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal. And thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Kekken Apheos. Go on. Hang in hand.

Cristina: And that's what KEK is all about.

Jack: Chaos. Yeah. Embracing chaos. It's a natural part of everything. But so is order. And having order and reason and logic. In no moment does Kek's chaos interfere with Pastafarianism. Logic. The goal is be reasonable. Same thing with Kek. You control, but you don't hurt people.

Cristina: Because it's just a joke.

Jack: It's just a joke. If you're crossing the line, you're f****** up.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're doing it wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not about hurting other people. It's about that balance of you can have fun. Some people are gonna get annoyed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they should know that they're getting annoyed at a joke.

Cristina: It's so weird how anything could have a religion. Thinking of Shaggy. Shaggy. The church of Shaggy.

Jack: Yeah. What happens with Shaggy is the idea that destruction is equal to creation. So not only do we maintain balance, but we need to understand that sometimes things. A good example is, as writers, we often have to get rid of something and destroy something because it's just not working out. It's the weak link in what we're trying to do. And sometimes you're attached to the idea, but the story isn't attached to the idea.

Cristina: I usually just remove them. I don't delete them or anything.

Jack: Well, you can remove them, put them somewhere else, but you're destroying the concept you were working with to change it for something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that just goes hand in hand with. To maintain balance, you must destroy sometimes.

Cristina: That's an interesting way to see it. Yeah.

Jack: Shaggy is important.

Cristina: He is.

Jack: He's important in everything. You must destroy in order to create their hand in hand.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 121: Moon Folklore

What did our ancestors believe about the moon? And how did they come to these conclusions? Unpacking cultural stories about the moon.

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The duo decide to begin investigations into the moon. Starting their search for knowledge on cultural tales told through the ages, the duo begins to understand how similar these stories are to one another. In questioning these similarities, the duo comes to an unexpected conclusion! Find out what on this episode of Just Conversation!!

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Topics Discussed:

  • The Names of Full Moons
  • Cultural Beliefs
  • Moon Gods
  • Native American Moon Folklore
  • Cheese Moon Theories
  • Egyptian Gods
  • Aztec Gods
  • The Moon Rabbit

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Cristina: Do y' all like weird stuff? How about mysterious stuff? Are you a skeptic or a believer? Wanna hear the legend and the facts and the lore and the science and the myth and the theories? Come on down to none of this is Real, the podcast for all things mysterious and weird with us, Doomsday Demeni and Sarah Sinkhole, lifelong friends who have spent years poking their fingers through the veil, all while making each other laugh till it hurts. Find us on all the major podcast platforms and social media. That's none of this is Real, the podcast. You don't have to believe any, but you do have to believe on yourself. Believe all over yourself. Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm host Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes, and also this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to find somebody to pull nice and close and get ready to listen to some exciting woke teachings from the spirit realm.

Cristina: From the spirit realm? We're in the spirit realm now?

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: When did that happen?

Jack: In our excavation. We've been looking, researching, doing things, and now we're reporting from the spirit realm because I've decided.

Cristina: So what, did you send us here?

Jack: Yes, with my mind.

Cristina: With your mind.

Jack: With the power of imagination.

Cristina: Amazing. Amazing. So you remember that time a few months ago where we talked about the moon on the Halloween episode?

Jack: Right. What about it?

Cristina: That the full moons had names and I mentioned two of them. The harvest moon and the. What was the other one? The harvest moon and the hunter's moon. Well, I want to talk about the other names because they all have names.

Jack: Right? What are the names?

Cristina: This month, the moon will be called the worm moon. The full moon will be called the worm moon for this month because worms begin to appear.

Jack: Worms begin to appear?

Cristina: Yes, because they've been hibernating, I guess. Worms hibernate, I'm assuming. Yes. They hide from the cold the whole time. And now it's time for them to come out and do wormy stuff out here. I don't know why they would pop out. Why would they pop out?

Jack: I don't know. I don't think they get anything from over the dirt.

Cristina: They want to be eaten by birds. They're making a sacrifice to their bird gods.

Jack: Could be. Can you Imagine, probably.

Cristina: That's crazy. Like, what reason do they have? But, yes, they come out. And next month is the pink moon because there's flowers. Pink flowers on the ground. Not just. I mean, there's other flowers, but they pop up in May. That's why May is the flower moon.

Jack: But I'm definitely positive that other flowers come out in the pink moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but I bet pink flowers are more often. I don't know how they came up with that. Maybe the pink flowers probably disappear by the time the flower moon appears. There's no pink flowers in May.

Jack: No, there's definitely pink flowers throughout the whole year.

Cristina: Throughout the whole year? Yeah. There's pink flowers everywhere in winter.

Jack: Well, when there's flowers, there's pink flowers.

Cristina: Yes. And then in June is the strawberry moon because the strawberries are ready to be picked. And Ian. And in July is the buck moon, because the bucks are growing new antlers. And then on August is the sturgeon moon, which is a large fish found in the Great Lakes. And they're easily caught this time of year because I guess they're coming out of hibernation. I don't know what's happening in August. Or they're mating. Maybe that's their mating season. So they're all together and so they're easier to catch.

Jack: That's probably what happens. I'm sure that they're in mating seasons. Animals are easiest to catch because they are in larger numbers together trying to find one another.

Cristina: Yeah. Then the harvest moon, of course, is September or October. And then the corn moon is on September, which is the time to harvest corn. Delicious.

Jack: So corn doesn't grow year round.

Cristina: This is when they stop. Well, I guess this is the last time you can get corn before they don't grow anymore. And then the October is the hunter's moon because you're preparing to go hunting for the last time, also to prepare for winter. And then in November is beaver moon, because they're more active building their dams, their winter homes.

Jack: The dams are for winter?

Cristina: I think so. That's what I like to believe, that the dams are where they live for the winter. I don't know if they live in the dams, but angry beaver makes me believe that they live in those dams. They become more active in building their winter dams in preparation for the cold season. But why do they need their winter dams?

Jack: Oh, I guess it is to go vibernant.

Cristina: They're just obsessed with the dams. And then December is code moon, because winter is beginning. January is wolf moon, because the wolves are howling. Because they're hungry maybe. Or they're calling for each other. Like it's time to go out and hunt or to get together and what's the other thing? And mate.

Jack: Mate. Could be. It seems like mating would probably be reasonable around when animals are contacting one another.

Cristina: Yeah. And then February is the snow moon because a lot of snow. The heaviest snowfalls happen in the middle of winter, which is usually February. Around February Sounds legit. Yep, yep. And those are the incredible names of the HFU moons. And the moon is interesting because of how people all over the world see the moon as being something special.

Jack: Like religions. Like religions and Islam and old school Christians and Native Americans and pretty much every culture underdeveloped at some point. Indigenous people.

Cristina: Yeah. There's a bunch of themes and beliefs they have for the moon that they have in common, even if they're not all like the exact same story told over and over. There's like themes that match around what the moon represents. The easiest one is like the phases of the moon symbolizing birth and death. Because the changing of the phases of the moon is like a cycle. So it's just the moon represents many different types of cycles like birth and death and creation and destruction and things like that. It also symbolizes immortality and eternity because gods are immortal. And so the moon is. There's a few stories that have to do with the moon being a place where the elixir of life is at. For some reason, or at least in two stories there seems to be. So I don't know why the moon has it, but it has something to do with the phases of the moon. Like it's water, because they can control the water on Earth, they see the moon as water as well. So it's the elixir of life itself. Like it's the actual bottle that the gods are drinking. And people also see as comparing it to the stages of humans life. Like the new moon is the infant and the waning moon is the decline of life. Like it's dying, then it's coming back to life, like, you know, rebirth and that stuff. And that stuff appears in many of their stories.

Jack: Many whose stories?

Cristina: Many different stories that I will talk about. But first I want to talk about Khonsu, the Egyptian God of the moon. His name means traveler. And he's also thought of the as a pathfinder and defender. He guides and protects those who travel at night against wild animals and thieves and whatever the dangerous things that are out there.

Jack: Right. Why do they believe that?

Cristina: Why do they believe he protects them yes, because he guides them well, the moon itself is guiding them. They're using the moon's light to help them. So they believe whatever is in control of the moon, which I guess is that God. It's him that's helping them through the moon.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: That's helping them.

Jack: You know symbolism.

Cristina: Yes, yes. That's why I think a lot of people see with the moon is like it's symbolizing something else. It's not the actual God, but it's like the God has some control over the moon as an object.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's a celestial object.

Cristina: Mm. This God has. Is sometimes a young man, but sometimes he's a hawk headed man. Because a lot of their gods have, you know, animal heads. But I wonder because he is also a lot of.

Jack: Whose gods?

Cristina: Egyptian gods.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: Have animal heads, but they also show him as a young man. So I don't know about other gods, but I wonder if they also have human forms and animal headed forms. Forms. I don't know how, because I know there's also.

Jack: There are animal headed forms.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, do they have both? Like this guy, he has both a human form and then the hawk head form. Do all the gods behave like that? Because there's also gods that have three different body animal parts. Do they also have a human part or a complete human form? But I'm not sure about that. I'm just curious about that. Okay. And he is also the God of time. He's also seen as a God of healing. He's healed the pharaoh, or they say he healed the pharaoh. He also, before they saw him as this kind God that heals and protects. He was a bloodthirsty God who helped the dying king catch and eat other gods.

Jack: Other gods?

Cristina: Yes, other gods.

Jack: A God who would catch gods to feed to a king?

Cristina: Yes, a dying king.

Jack: Why do they believe that?

Cristina: That was the story written super long ago. I don't know if they have the explanation for that, but that was like written on Egyptian coffin thing. That's where they get a lot of these ancient stories, man.

Jack: I wonder if we truly understand what these hieroglyphs say.

Cristina: Yeah, like that's. That's probably a problem. Like, are we reading them right?

Jack: Are we reading them at all? Are we making up what we're saying?

Cristina: Are we making? Exactly, yes. Are we making. Because it's just pictures.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: We're applying meaning to pictures. We find we have people who believe they're experts at piecing together other people's pictures. Yet to this day, we consider art up to interpretation. So how the f*** do we consider that not just to be up to interpretation? We just sell s*** like it's fact?

Cristina: Huh? So I guess this story could totally be untrue. I mean, if people nowadays see him as a good guy, maybe he was always a good guy. And this one guy who read this story was like, nah.

Jack: Or maybe he was always a bad guy.

Cristina: Where he was always a bad guy and people just changed their opinion on him over time.

Jack: Not necessarily their opinion, just whoever's reading the thing at any given moment. Because we don't know what it says.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or even if it says anything. Or even if it could just be drawings.

Cristina: It could just be drawings, huh? Maybe. And then there's Artemis, the Greek God. And also Diana, I think, is the other one that's. She's not Greek, she's the Roman God. But they're almost equal in a lot of ways. They pretty much symbolize the exact same things, even though they're from different cultures, they're from different locations. Greek, Roman. Yeah. So Artemis is a Greek God. She's the goddess of hunt, wilderness, wild animals, chastity, and the moon. She is the daughter of Zeus and Leto and the twin sister of Apollo. She's known to have the ability to give diseases to young women who disobey her instructions. But she also has the ability to heal young girls that were ill.

Jack: So the God of women.

Cristina: Yeah, the God of women also. Yeah. I don't know why she's the God of moon. I think somehow moon and women somehow relate. I just don't know how the two relate.

Jack: They're probably attaching menstrual cycles to it.

Cristina: Yes, that's probably it. That's a very important thing. In a lot of these religions and things. They connect the menstrual cycle with the moon. And according to a Greek legend, there was the queen of Thebes. Her name was Niobe, who I guess made fun of their mom. Artemis and her brother Niobe had more children than Leto, so she was making fun of her, I guess. And then the two kids decided, well, this isn't right, and then they murdered her children. I like that story. She made fun of their mom because their mom only had two kids, which is the twins. And Niobe, who made fun of Leto, had 14 children. So they murdered all 14 children. So now Leto has more children than Niobe, who was making fun of her.

Jack: This is a good thing or a bad thing? Where does it stand with people?

Cristina: I don't know. I just think it's an interesting story.

Jack: Like gods killing other gods.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, no. Naobi was a regular lady. She was the queen of thieves. She was a queen.

Jack: Niobe is not a God.

Cristina: No, she's a queen. She's human. And she made fun of a God. I guess that's the big thing, is, like, you don't make fun of gods or their children will get revenge.

Jack: Naomi's children got killed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: She had 14 children. They're all dead now. Or they're dead. Yep. So that's cool. I mean, Artemis has done a bunch of other violent things, but that was the most interesting one, I thought. Not very moon related. But there's Har. It's like, for that one at least for her, I couldn't really find anything about the moon relating to her. But a lot of other gods definitely have stories relating why they are the representation of the moon, or whatever you want to call it, the God of the moon. There's Mani, the Norse personification of the moon. He is the God of the moon and he's the brother of the goddess of the sun, who. Her name is Sol. Both Sol and Mani are being chased endlessly by a pair of wolves. I think you know the story. They're destined to be caught and devoured by the wolves at Ragnarok. Because the wolves, I think, are the children of Loki.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If I'm getting that. That's right. Okay. Yes. I thought that was interesting. Yep. They're just constantly. They're moving around in the sky, running from the wolves.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense. That's why they're moving in the sky at all.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lunar eclipse is thought of when one of the wolves was very close to Mani, the moon God, like he was about to eat him.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But of course he doesn't. So that's why he comes back. But that's a really interesting way to explain that. So he's not the moon. But it's interesting because he's not the only one who does this. But he's steering a chariot in the sky, which I guess is part of the moon. I'm not sure. But he's not the only moon God that's steering a chariot. And I forgot where that other guy was from. I think he is the Hindu God, but I might be wrong. But I think he is also steering a chariot, which I don't know where they got these two ideas. They're very far from each other, aren't they? Hindu? And I don't know.

Jack: Where did Norse mythology happen?

Cristina: Where did it happen in Norse. That's not a location. No, in Scotland. And the phases of the moon were said to represent his endless running from the wolf, you know, trying to avoid him. And that's why the moon changes, because it's like. I don't. He's guiding the moon. The moon is with him and is changing its side depending on how he's moving. Right? That sounds right.

Jack: Got it. So they're running together.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So there's many moon folklore around the world. Many. And we're going to start in Native American folklore. Native Americans see the sun and the moon as a leader and his wife and the stars are their children. The sun loves to catch and eat his children, which are the stars, and they flee from the sky. When, you know the morning is coming. The stars are disappearing because they're running from the sun. And then at night, the moon comes, and he's. It's playing with the. Or I guess she's playing with the stars, the children, while the sun is asleep. But once a month, she turns her face because she's mourning for the children that were caught from the sun. And when she's mourning is when it's a new moon. The new moon would be her turning her back, I guess, from the world because she's crying.

Jack: No, that's crazy. So they think the sun is a murderer.

Cristina: A lot of these stories, the son is a murderer, and one of them, the son is a rapist to his.

Jack: Sister, which is the moon.

Cristina: Yes. In Nigeria, there are people that believe the sun and the moon are husband and wife. Long ago, they lived on earth, and then their best friend, the flood, came over to visit their house.

Jack: And then the flood?

Cristina: Yes, the flood. A flood. I don't know why they were friends with the flood, but it came over their house, and they couldn't stay in their house because they would drown. So they ended up having to go into the sky, and now they live there.

Jack: So the flood isn't like their enemy?

Cristina: I would think it would be, but they considered it their best friend. I guess they don't think of him as their best friend anymore.

Jack: And what Nigerian culture believes this?

Cristina: The epic Ebiboio people of Nigeria, is.

Jack: That like a tribe? Is it a religion?

Cristina: A tribe? A tribe of people in Nigeria believe this. A lot of these are from tribes. Another one in Kenya, the Luiya. The Luiya people believe the sun and moon are brothers. The moon was older, bigger, and brighter, and the sun got jealous and picked a fight with him. Then during the fight, the moon fell into Mud. And that's why it's dimmer now. And I guess that also explains the dark of it. You know, the spots that I have that people see things on the moon sometimes. The craters. Yeah, yeah. So that's explaining why the moon isn't as bright as the sun.

Jack: Moon is just dirty.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, and also God told them to stop fighting and kept them apart by ordering the sun to only be around here during the day and the moon at night.

Jack: Which doesn't happen.

Cristina: Which doesn't happen. Well, they try, I guess. I don't.

Jack: The moon and sun are regularly together.

Cristina: Well, they're trying to fight each other again, but no one. I wonder if that eclipse for them then when they're about to fight each other again.

Jack: Well, no, because there's many, many times that the moon is out during the.

Cristina: Daylight, but that's when it's going back home or going back is leaving while the sun is coming.

Jack: That doesn't work that way.

Cristina: No. Well, that's how they're seeing it happening.

Jack: Right, but how do they interpret when it's broad the middle daylight.

Cristina: Oh, and they see the shadow of the moon.

Jack: No, they literally see the moon in the middle of daylight as well.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe they don't see it as the moon.

Jack: They think that's a different rock.

Cristina: Yes, it's a different rock. And then in. In the Indonesia island of Hava, there are a tribe there that think there's a moon goddess who came to Earth to bathe in a lake. And while she was bathing, a man stole her swan feathers because she does the thing that werewolves do and she's just wearing a swan. I guess she was a swan when she landed. She took it off, she became human. The guy stole the swan feathers so she couldn't leave back to the sky. So she married the man.

Jack: So no more moon.

Cristina: Well, no, that's not the end of the story. And then she did end up finding her swan feathers and now she can return to the sky. But she has children here. So she'll go back to the sky at night and then come spend the daytime hours on Earth with her husband and their daughter.

Jack: Interesting. And does anybody believe they knew who this woman was?

Cristina: They probably know her right now. Like she probably doesn't die. Unless there's a story explaining why she's not there. No, no more. Maybe they suspect someone to be her.

Jack: Yeah, like basically the difference between God and like Jesus, except it's continuous. So like God is up there, but randomly he's not. So sometimes people Just. Well, I don't feel the spirit of God. Oh, he must be on earth today.

Cristina: Really? That's the thing.

Jack: No, I'm using an example.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Well, that would be really interesting if there was stories like that though. But I thought it was interesting that she had a swan outfit. Like, I wonder how many different creatures they saw as just people in disguise.

Jack: Or I guess not in disguise, but rather they have like a magic get up.

Cristina: Yeah. Or are they magical creatures that have human skin under their fur or something? I don't. I don't really understand how it works because she. She's a moon, but she dresses into a swan and then she looks like a human. So when she's back, like what turns her from one to the other?

Jack: Taking it off.

Cristina: She takes off her human skin and turns into the moon?

Jack: No, putting. I guess she's just human with powers. Putting on the swan outfit makes her the moon.

Cristina: maybe. I don't know. It's weird, but. Yes, but that's interesting that a bunch of stories used to be like that. I don't think there's anything like that anymore. Like the werewolves came from stories like that of men with for belts or whatever. And then they turned into werewolves.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that.

Cristina: Yeah. So. But. And now they're just werewolves. They don't need anything. They just. Full moon. Hey, full moon. But alright. In Siberia, the story of why the moon is scarred, they believe that it's fang marks left from this thing called. I think that's how you say it. And he's a monster with huge black wings. He's the personification of the darkness of the sky. And he feeds on the moon every night. He's just slowly devouring it for the whole month. But the problem is that he can't actually eat the moon. Like eating the moon upsets his stomach. So by the end he ends up vomiting the moon. And then piece by piece the moon comes back because he vomited out. And that explains also why the moon.

Jack: Has phases and then he eats it again. So he's eating his vomit?

Cristina: Essentially, yes.

Jack: It's a sort of God creature that's consistently eating his vomit for all of eternity.

Cristina: Because it's delicious, it's addicting. It's the most addicting vomit he's ever had.

Jack: It's the only vomit he's ever had. Yeah, it's been happening for eternity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's the perpetual cycle of vomiting.

Cristina: Yeah, that's disgusting. But who knows? Maybe it's delicious, I don't know. But he keeps doing it so it must be delicious, right? And then in. In Serbia, they probably. What's the oldest explanation for why we say the moon is made of cheese? Which is there was a wolf chasing a fox. The fox convinced the wolf that there was a block of cheese in the bottom of a pond. And the wolf didn't realize that it was just the reflection of the moon. So he went to drink the pond and eventually he blew up.

Jack: But he explains, he blew up because there were explosives in the pond.

Cristina: He was just so filled with water. He just kept drinking. He just never stopped because he needed that cheese. I don't know why he thought that cheese would be better than that fox, though. Like fox or cheese for wolf.

Jack: Maybe wolves love cheese.

Cristina: Maybe wolves loves cheese.

Jack: Maybe that's their s***.

Cristina: He exploded for that. He drank all that water for some cheese. What?

Jack: Maybe cheese is rare for fox, for wolves. Maybe cheese is rare for wolves.

Cristina: Don't they have good smells? Can he smell that? There's no cheese.

Jack: Not under the water.

Cristina: Mmm. Well, yes, he blew up. And it's amazing. And that's probably one of the oldest stories of why the moon is made out of cheese. Although I think people also see the moon as cheese somehow. Like they see it as different things. They see different things on the moon, I guess, like the craters look like cheese hose. But also a lot of people say the man on the moon, they see a face of a man on the.

Jack: Moon, this super epic. One time when the lunar rover landed and it sent back that weird message and they were like, what? And then they aimed the telescope that zoomed in like crazy. And they found a castle made of cheese. And the rover was like, I do not compute. And they were like, sir, Captain of NASA, there's a cheese castle up there. And we discovered the cheese people that day.

Cristina: I thought that we made that cheese castle. No, that had nothing to do with us.

Jack: That had nothing to do with us.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: That cheese castle.

Cristina: We just have cheese people living on the moon.

Jack: Cheese people living on the moon? Well, they're not people made of cheese, but we call them cheese people because they're people who make things of cheese.

Cristina: That's disgusting.

Jack: They go out of their way to breed farm cows.

Cristina: So there's cows on the moon?

Jack: Yes, on the dark side of the moon.

Cristina: That's why they keep the cows.

Jack: That's where they keep the cows. See, what people don't understand is that the moon isn't real.

Cristina: What? But then how about everything we just said?

Jack: Well, that's not the moon. The moon Wasn't like a natural creation. The moon was put there by them. By them. It's a spaceship.

Cristina: It's a spaceship. And they. That's why they kidnap our cows?

Jack: Yes. The cows get taken to the moon to make infrastructure with their milk.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Facts. You could go to the library of the Freemasons and find this.

Cristina: Nah. If they're stealing our cows, it's cuz they love cheese. They love eating cheese. There's no way that they need cheese to build things with.

Jack: They eat their buildings.

Cristina: No, that's crazy. That's crazy. How did they get this far if they're living in cheesy buildings?

Jack: They also. They're aliens. They figured out the formula to preserve cheese forever.

Cristina: They love cheese that much. They're just obsessed with cheese. That's amazing.

Jack: To be fair, if we travel far enough in an infinite universe, eventually, like, every possibility should happen. So there should be a region of space where there's a planet of people who build things of cheese. That should be a real thing, like just based on science.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Mathematically speaking, the numbers tell us there should be somewhere in the universe where there are cheese structures. So that wolf wasn't far off?

Cristina: That wolf wasn't far off, I guess. I wish. Where are these aliens? Where are they? Where's the whale alien that's just swimming through space? If you can describe it that way, that'd be awesome. Yes. Yes, it would.

Jack: Maybe it's out there and we just. We suck at looking at space. We pretend we're awesome, but, like, maybe it's floating out there. We don't even see it.

Cristina: I know. It's so crazy. There could be mad stuff.

Jack: There's probably a bunch of s*** living inside the meteor belt.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Although the meteor bell is also not as close together as movies would pretend they are.

Cristina: Yeah, but they could be living in there. I mean, how do we examine that? Do we even look at that?

Jack: We can't really see anything in there.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there could be things in there.

Jack: What, they think there's a planet in there.

Cristina: They think they don't even know.

Jack: Nope. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's one of those things that, like, there's gravity doing something weird there.

Jack: Yeah. And then we were like, well, what could explain it? Boom. Planet.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So. Man, we suck. Especially looking at things around us. Like, we do a better job looking at other star systems.

Jack: We do a really s***** job of looking at other star systems. We're worse than that.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes. We just happen to have picked Something we could already aim at. But how much s*** are we not aiming at? The further out, the less we could see.

Cristina: Oh man. So is there a specific spot before, like that is a perfect space that we could see of, or is that not a thing. Everything's just crap.

Jack: Yeah, we just have certain spots that we favor. Okay, but we miss 99.99% of everything in space. Of course, even in our observable distance, we see almost none of it.

Cristina: Then why do we cry about there not being any aliens? We can hardly see anything.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Because we figured.

Jack: We figured they would come to us.

Cristina: I can't. Ah. Like we just got blind and we're looking around the room and they're like, why isn't there anyone here? And there's probably someone right there trying to help us guide. Like trying to walk us to the right direction. And we're not paying attention to them.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: In Greenland, the Inuits believe that their moon God raped his sister, the sun goddess, and that every night he chases her to possess her again. And he also, the whole time he's starving as he runs, getting smaller and smaller every night until he disappears. And then he slowly comes back to his full self in like, I think they say, like three days. That whole time he's taking a break to eat and he's full again. Which is another explanation of the moon phases.

Jack: Interesting. But it takes way more than three days.

Cristina: Oh, it's not. Okay, how many days does it take?

Jack: From 15 in either direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah.

Jack: On average it takes about 15 days for a moon to fully dissipate and another 15 to come back. That's why there's only one full moon a month.

Cristina: Okay, well then he takes a 15 day break to eat and then he chases his sister, I guess to rape her again. What a beautiful story. I wonder where they get that story from. How random. It could be anything. Chasing anyone. Chasing anyone for any reason.

Jack: Does it take 15 days?

Cristina: So he eats for 15 days, but he takes a three day break to eat to be full, and then he continues on running after her. That makes sense because you see the full moon three for about three days.

Jack: Before it's visibly shrinking.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So. And during that time is when he's feeding to chase her again. Yay. And then in Africa, there's several indigenous peoples around the continent that call the moon God MAU MAU. And Mawu's companion is the sun goddess, Lisa. And. Oh, and when they meet and make love, they make an eclipse. And also they created the World. Their son Gu is the smith God. They used him to shape the universe. And also there's a serpent, his name is Da, who helped them during the creation, which I thought was interesting because you mentioned there's serpents everywhere in different stories.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So here's the serpent. And so Muwu was the goddess of night, joy and motherhood. And Lisa was the God of day, heat and strength. And in Aztec, there was a moon goddess. Her name is very complicated, but it means the Golden Bells. She was the daughter of the earth goddess and the sister of the sun God. And golden bells encouraged her 400 sisters and brothers to kill their mother. I don't know why, but she wanted her mom dead. But when she was planning, when she was about to do that, her mom gave birth to her brother, the sun God. When he was born, he was an adult already and he saved her life. And then he cut off his sister's head and threw it into the sky and it formed into the moon. How cool is that?

Jack: So he turned out to be the killer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And also, are the brother and sisters the stars?

Cristina: Maybe. I feel like it. 400 sisters and brothers. I don't know what they were, but they must be. Right. But what's the mom? Because usually the mom is. Everyone is something in the story. And in this one, except the sister.

Jack: Was not the moon yet.

Cristina: She was just the moon goddess. Or maybe she became the moon goddess after this. Whatever. Now she's the moon. That's the important thing. She is the moon for trying to kill her mommy. And in Hindu, Soma represents the God of the moon. And he rides through the sky in a chariot drawn by white horses, which is similar to the Egyptian God Mari from the Norse mythology also had a chariot. So I thought that was interesting that two different places had the moon on chariot, or the moon God on chariot. Soma was also named the elixir of immortality. That was the name of it. And only the gods can drink it. And it was stored in the moon in. Yes.

Jack: The moon is just an alcohol container.

Cristina: Yes. And when the gods drink the moon, that's when the moon wanes because the gods are drinking away some of its properties. Because it's the actual liquid in the moon that's being poured out into the gods. In New Zealand, there are people called the Mari people who see a girl in a bucket on the moon. And their explanation for that is that there was a lady who was carrying a bucket of water to her children in a cloudy night. And in a moment the clouds covered the moon and she tripped and fell. So then she cursed at the moon for her falling. And then the moon heard that and got angry. So he cursed it, cursed the Mari people. And then it grabbed the girl. The grabbed the lady and the bucket and threw her to the moon. Or I guess he kidnapped her.

Jack: The moon kidnapped the lady?

Cristina: Yes. So that's why they see the lady with the bucket on the moon. Because she was still holding the bucket when he took her.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yes. It's strange the different things people see on the moon.

Jack: Yes, it's really weird.

Cristina: Also, when the girl's upset, she. When she drops her bucket on the moon, it rains. That explains, because they were explaining the rain and stuff on the Earth. It comes from the moon, I guess, to them.

Jack: And it's what happens when it rains on a moonless day.

Cristina: What happens when it rains on a moonless day? They're like, the moon is out there no matter what. We're scientists like that. We know it's there.

Jack: It's just hiding.

Cristina: It's just hiding. The Japanese people believe that the moon is a fortune telling God. So the priests that want to fortune tell would study the moon's reflection on Amera because they believed if they looked into the moon that it would drive them crazy. So it's like a superstition about the moon.

Jack: So they would just not look at the moon.

Cristina: Yeah, but just the reflection on the mirror because they thought it would drive them crazy.

Jack: Because meanwhile looking at the sun. A. Okay.

Cristina: Yes, it's perfectly fine. But it's interesting because a lot of people think the moon drives people crazy. So it's a different story, a different version of.

Jack: That's how werewolves happen.

Cristina: Just like werewolves, it's just people going mad. And Shinto, the moon God Tsukiyumi, was born out of the right eye of a ancient being. And he used to live in the heavens with his sister, the sun God, Amaterasu. But she asked him to represent her to the goddess of food, whose name is Yukimashi. To celebrate, the goddess of food offered him a meal, and she created the meal from her mouth and nose. He thought that was disgusting, so he killed her. But then when his sister learned about what he did, she was so angry that she didn't want to see him anymore. And since then, the brother and sister live apart, and they take turns being in the sky.

Jack: So broken up family.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep. Such a strange. Like he was born out of an eyeball and he was disgusted by this lady who made food out of her mouth and nose. But I'm Sure. Her nose and mouth would grow back. Like, she's the God of food. I'm sure the food is fine, right? I don't know, but. Or maybe it's not. I don't know. I don't know anything about gods. Okay.

Jack: Perfection. The food should be amazing.

Cristina: It should be like, she's the God of food. This is her thing. She's known for this. Why would you be disgusted? Like, why not at least give it a try? I would think you could trust it, but I don't know. Then there's the Mayan people. They have a old goddess. I mean, their moon goddess is an old lady. Her name is Ixchel. I think it means the lady rainbow. She was depicted as an old lady wearing a skirt with cross bones. And she had a serpent in her hand. Look at that, a serpent showing up. Anyway, she had the assistant sky serpent, whom they believe carried the waters of heavens in its belly, because the moon and water, the serpent is carrying the water. Okay. And she also carries a jug filled with water as well, which she uses to send floods and powerful rainstorms to the earth. So, yeah, they're all related, you see, in some little ways, but. Okay.

Jack: And then, I mean, most stories share an origin to begin with. There's probably like, you could trace all of this back to a single point that then kept branching off into many different stories.

Cristina: You think there was one story? One story.

Jack: Not literally one story, but like many of these stories have a similar origin. So each area might have a bunch of stories that came from one point, from one observation. Then the story got told and altered tiny bits every time it was told until different cultures around the same region had different explanations for the same thing.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, I think so. And in China in the ancient times, there were. They believed that there was 12 different moons for the different 12 different months of the year and 10 suns that were the 10 days in the Chinese week. The mother of the 12 moons was the same as the mother of the 10 sons. And at the beginning of each month, the mother washed her children in the lake in the. At the extreme western side of the world. Then each moon, one after the other, would travel to in a chariot. In a chariot for a month's journey to reach the opposite side of the world. And that's where the suns will begin their journey. And I thought that was interesting. Chariots and all interesting.

Jack: It looks like they're all Asian cultures that believe that, though, because the other one was Hindu, right?

Cristina: Yeah, it was Hindu. And what was the third? The first one was Norse. Whatever that is.

Jack: Oh, crap. Norse. Thus far.

Cristina: Yeah. And then there's this one thing that a lot of places have is the moon rabbit, which is people see a rabbit on the moon, and there's a bunch of explanations for this moon rabbit. In China, it's very popular. So the folklore began in China and then spread to the other Asian cultures. Story goes that the rabbit is seen as the companion of the moon goddess Shang O. And it's on the moon pounding the elixir of life for her. Hey, similar to some other story, right? Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The elixir of life, which seems to.

Jack: Be on the moon.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In a castle made of cheese.

Cristina: A castle made of cheese? Yes. So this woman once used to be immortal, but was turned immortal for bad behavior. And now she's just trying to get back into the good side of the other gods by making this elixir and living forever. But, like, the first time, she drank the too much of it, and she ended up floating onto the moon, and then she made that her home. So now she lives there with a rabbit who's trying to come up with the perfect formula for this elixir to keep her alive forever.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Which. It seems like it's still working. I mean, I guess it's like adrenochrome, where you got to drink it forever. Consistently? Yes, consistently. Or you will die.

Jack: It could be like the limitless pill where you take it and the effects are slowly going to wear off and make you go crazy.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And so they're looking for the perfect one where you take it once and you're just good forever.

Cristina: Yes. Man. We got to get that. I mean, we're on the moon. No, we're not. What did you say we were? Dream. No, I don't remember.

Jack: The spirit realm.

Cristina: The spirit realm. What are we doing here? Whatever. In the Japanese and Korean versions, the rabbit is pounding either ingredients for mashi or for some kind of rice cake.

Jack: Pounding. What do we mean? It's f******, like, the stuff. It's just f****** ingredients. It takes a pounding.

Cristina: Like jumping on it, like with its pouncing. Pounding. The word is pounding, but. Or hitting. Maybe they see it hitting something like that. I don't know.

Jack: It's very strange.

Cristina: Pound. Excuse the word pound, but I think they mean hit or jump. It's hitting something, and that's what they believe it is.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: It's hitting a ball, which I guess, you know, there's a ball in the moon. One of the. You know, there's so many blobs on the moon. They see one as a rabbit, one as whatever they think it is, whether it's the medicine or rice ball or. What was the first one? The elixir.

Jack: Yeah. So the rabbits up their f****** balls.

Cristina: Yes. And also in China they instead of using the word the moon, they call it either the jade hair or the gold hair. These are pretty cool names. Pretty cool. Well, the rabbit is not just seen it from the Asian folklores, but also in indigenous American folklore there's a bunch of stories and they're also similar about like the rabbit is sacrificing its life usually and it ends up on the moon somehow. And also further in North America to Canada, they also have a rabbit story. Who with a rabbit that wished to ride the moon. And that's how the rabbit ended up on the moon. So there's a bunch of places.

Jack: How'd it get to the moon to ride the moon?

Cristina: That bird, the crane flew it there. That's how it got its super long legs.

Jack: Got it.

Cristina: Yep, yep.

Jack: Yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So flying to the moon and all.

Cristina: So China, I mean, the Asian cultures aren't the only ones that see the rabbit. A bunch of other places see the rabbit.

Jack: There's a lot of consistency. Chances are it did begin these very similar stories began as one and then sort of evolved depending on the culture.

Cristina: Okay, so that's it for now. I think that's enough moon stuff. And I know there's a lot, but I tried my best to give as much as I can.

Jack: Yes, very fascinating. It's crazy how many different cultures have. But I guess all cultures had to explain the universe one way or another. And before science was like a sure thing because there were science minded people, the science wasn't really a thing. Thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I think before science became a thing, people just had explanations. They were always mystical.

Cristina: They're always mystical. Yeah. And I think the moon is just really interesting because of its whole face thing. It makes it much more interesting than anything else up in the sky that just looks static. Yeah, everything looks static, even the shiny or whatever. Like. Yeah, it's just really big. But the moon is got that interesting.

Jack: Phase thing and way more visible.

Cristina: Mmm. Mm.

Jack: The moon is clearer than the sun because the sun is too bright and the stars are some too dim and too small. Whether dim or not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there both of these instances, the sun and the stars are very static. While the moon has phases, it moves around the sky in visible ways and.

Cristina: We can see a bunch of crap on it that's not even there.

Jack: Even with like wack telescopes, you can see pretty well.

Cristina: That's pretty awesome. But anyway, it's time to close the show. It's time to close the bag. Was it that they say in Comedy.

Jack: Central, time to close? No, it's a plug bag.

Cristina: It's a plug bag. It's time to close the plug bag. Oh, no. It's time to open the plug bag. No, I did the opposite that they do. Okay. It's time to open the plug bag. No. Okay. Anyway, you can find more things like this, I think. Have we done anything like this? Well, we've gone all over the place. So you can find other things.

Jack: Yeah. I'm pretty sure we've mentioned the moon before. Probably not in great detail, but it's come up before for different reasons. And because of aliens and space travel and werewolves. And werewolves and probably demons and, you know, we handle things in outer space because it's part of our job.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: What we do is deal with space creatures and interdimensional beings and things of that nature.

Cristina: Yeah. That's all we do.

Jack: And we got Mars and some stuff on the moon and apparently the moon castle with cheese Castle. To cheese Castle where there's aliens. Anyways, you can find all that stuff on the official website, greythoughts.info or Apple Podcasts, Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcast.

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Jack: Yes. Cause word of mouth is extremely powerful and very important.

Cristina: And this has been the JustConversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. That's an interesting question. I've never considered creator. I always just considered when thinking of atheists, I only considered God. Like what would somebody knowing all knowing creature be? And how would they react to what we consider reality as humans? And the only thing that makes sense is Atheos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there is something that made us, whether or not they made everything they are or not that made us is there's. If there's something that's everywhere all the time and knows everything, it can't give a s***. And that's how atheos came to be. Because good and bad doesn't make a concept of something that is all of the above.

Cristina: Yeah. So then he is. He did create everything.

Jack: I don't know if he did create everything. I know he knows everything.

Cristina: So he just. He popped up the same time as we popped up, though. Because he was there to measure everything.

Jack: I'm very Judaistic. Judaistic. I'm very much of a Jew when it comes to the belief that what happened before, we don't know what happened after. What happens after, we don't know. That's irrelevant. What's happening now? I know he's.

Cristina: That he's.

Jack: He's watching like Santa Claus or some s***. And he's not judging your good or bad, but whether for whatever reason you're not being you and he's not judging. There's just rules that are set in place universally that when you don't please you, you're miserable.

Cristina: It's kind of like you're judging yourself.

Jack: Yes. Giant mirrors being held up.

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Because you are God.

Jack: So it's very interesting. You can picture Atheos essentially being a scale. That's where the chains came in. It was just balance. You bring it down anytime you do something counter to you.

Cristina: He's a scale.

Jack: He's a scale. Are you maintaining the balance of who you are?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or are you. Because you can't fully indulge in anything either. Because then it becomes meaningless. Anything you do fully in one direction just becomes a normal. You don't want that. You need the balance. But who are you as a balanced person?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everybody's balanced differently.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And that's the whole point. If you're not keeping your balance. So Atheos is the scale by which you balance yourself.

Cristina: So he looks like a scale ball. Like we could picture him as a scale. Like picture the spaghetti monster as a spaghetti.

Jack: Well, I wouldn't picture this. I find the irony of that religion funny, but I don't really. I rather use the word Pastafarianism because the flying spaghetti monster is. Although funny, the reasoning behind the belief system is pretty solid.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's actually really rational, minus the whole jokes on God part. Same with Atheos. Giving him a visual is weird thing. He's a concept, not a being of any sort.

Cristina: Well, people like putting cons.

Jack: I know. I rather use a symbol to represent.

Cristina: Him, which is the scale.

Jack: The scale would be the symbol.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Not who he is, not who is.

Cristina: But if you like to picture him, it would probably be a person. Because it's easiest to imagine.

Jack: It's easiest. Yes. It's easiest to imagine the cliche old guy in the sky looking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Atheist is nothing but a concept, a thought, an idea.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A philosophy. There you go. It's a philosophy. A philosophic way of thinking of a God the same way that the flying spaghetti monster is a philosophic way of thinking of a God. Shaggy. Well, actually, all things considered. Because if you think of the idea of kek, what makes sense about Kek is that we all have a crazy psychotic kind of side. Yeah, we suppress it for social norms or whatever. And some of us feel comfortable doing that, others don't. I like chaos. I enjoy chaos. I normality bores the s*** out of me and I die a little on the inside if I have to be normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I'm not a fan of that. But chaos is amazing. And testing people and pushing them to their limits and seeing where they stand on something. I love that. The concept that if that brings you pleasure, you should do it. I like that.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

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JCP 5.02 Michael Horn & Billy Meier Prophecies

Guest Michael Horn, documentary filmmaker, blogger and follower of the teaching of Billy Meier and his Prophecies, comes on to discuss the profound nature of Billy Meier’s experiences and quest to correct the errors of humanity through spiritual teachings (non religious) and philosophies. An episode jam packed with subjects from subatomic blueprints for life, population control and other pressing issues. One of our most ‘Must listen’ episodes to date. If you want to be informed, Michael Horn is the man for you.

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Rambling 120: The Life Checklist

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How do we know when something is alive? What of things that meet all the same requirements but we consider not alive? Understanding and designing a new checklist to measure life on this episode.

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The duo unpacks what constitutes being alive in order to best explain to the listeners who or what to force to listen to the show. But on their journey to understand the concept of life they discover several interesting facts and create an entire checklist with different tiers of life to assist scientists in measuring the possibilities.

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  • Are all living things conscious?
  • Which things aren’t alive?
  • The problem of aging
  • Is fire alive?
  • Carbon based life
  • Is God Alive?
  • Is sperm alive?
  • Organic Matter
  • Cells
  • Alive vs Galvan

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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Just Conversation Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So go find a person and an inanimate object and make them both listen.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You never know what's alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You never know. We don't know what is life. You force anything to listen, make your walls listen, blast it as loud as possible. You don't know if your house is alive. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: There's no way to tell.

Jack: Like weird a** rubric we have for f****** life.

Cristina: I guess if it has a heart. It doesn't have a heart.

Jack: It doesn't need a heart to be alive.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Yeah, let's think about it. Let's think about it. Right? Let's think about it. What do we call in life? If you're conscious, are you alive?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is that life? So conscious beings are by default alive?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: How do we gauge consciousness? In order to say anything's alive, then.

Cristina: You have to say it. You have to announce, I am conscious.

Jack: So animals aren't conscious then?

Cristina: Ooh, they're definitely conscious. They say it in their own ways.

Jack: How?

Cristina: With whatever sound that they make.

Jack: That's not saying I'm conscious. Are plants conscious?

Cristina: No.

Jack: So animals? Yes. But plants know?

Cristina: Well, I think. Yes, but if it's just by the sound that they're making that. No.

Jack: Yeah, it doesn't even make sense. Do they have to make a sound in order to be conscious? What about things that make sounds but aren't animals?

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: I don't know. Like a plant that makes a sound or some s***.

Cristina: It's a plant that makes a sound.

Jack: I mean, there's probably a plant that makes a sound. That's interesting.

Cristina: I would say that has consciousness.

Jack: Then by default, all plants have consciousness.

Cristina: Okay, all plants have consciousness.

Jack: But then where do we draw the line? Where do we stop our cells? Conscious?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know how. Yes, they're conscious. Everything's conscious. Okay. Everything. Even the walls?

Jack: Yeah. It seems like everything is conscious, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because if we just assume that consciousness is like a collection of matter, then everything is relatively, like different degrees of conscious, but all conscious, no matter what.

Cristina: How could you prove any of that?

Jack: How could you prove I'm conscious?

Cristina: Because you can say it and I believe you.

Jack: Right, but why does me saying it make it true?

Cristina: Hmm?

Jack: What can you do to prove my statement?

Cristina: Brain scans does that how to prove consciousness. Maybe there's somewhere in the brain that says, is the conscious spot like everything else. Like there's.

Jack: We have no idea. We have no idea. There's nothing. There's nothing.

Cristina: There's nothing.

Jack: Nothing. We don't have a guide or anything.

Cristina: Well, there's no test.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: There's zero things tell us whether something conscious is alive. We don't even know what alive is. Regardless of consciousness, whether or not it's conscious. We can't tell something is alive. Like, if we. Because obviously we don't even know what consciousness is to say that that's alive. I don't know why that was where you went with that. But, like, we can't gauge any consciousness in anything. We're just assuming consciousness because we perceive thus, you know? I guess the same s*** applies of.

Cristina: The if something's alive that it's also conscious.

Jack: I guess a cell is alive according to our rubric.

Cristina: Oh, is it? What's the rubric?

Jack: Well, it needs to reproduce, it needs to grow, it needs to eat. It needs to respond to its environment. Like a cell fulfills all those things.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Is it conscious? Huh?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess consciousness is not the point.

Cristina: No. Okay, what's the point?

Jack: That we don't know what the f*** is alive. You can't just say something is alive because it's conscious. That doesn't make sense. Okay, that means that God isn't alive, but it's conscious. Oh, giant hole in the logic. That means that any other version of you in any other dimension is. Is by extension dead.

Cristina: They're dead?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because you're not alive, like, biologically, but you're still conscious. You're just dead. But, like, it doesn't make any sense. Okay, you got to satisfy the rubric. That's the measurement of life. Allegedly.

Cristina: Okay, but God's not alive.

Jack: God doesn't satisfy the rubric. No, he doesn't like age. He doesn't like die. He doesn't like. So what the f***? He's conscious. But does he. That doesn't make any sense. But I don't even know why we're talking about consciousness. Because we needed some inanimate object.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it might be alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, how do you prove an in object is alive?

Jack: I don't know. I guess it depends on the object itself. Right?

Cristina: Like. Like what?

Jack: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. You can't just grab an inanimate object. It would have to be something that already seems to behave on its own.

Cristina: But it has to be. Okay, so this is an inanimate object that believes.

Jack: I guess it's complicated. Would you say fire is inanimate? Because I feel fire is very animated.

Cristina: Yes, it's an animated thing.

Jack: Interesting. Right? So an inanimate object might not be alive because it's inanimate, but an animated object that doesn't satisfy the rubric might be alive.

Cristina: Huh? But how do we prove that that inanimate object is not alive just because it's not?

Jack: If we. If we go by the assumption that all matter has some consciousness, and the more complicated something is, the more consciousness it has. Everything is conscious. It's just different levels that we can gauge to some degree.

Cristina: But we're talking about life, though, now.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And anything that moves is alive. Like fire. You call that as light?

Jack: I guess. Here's what's weird. Here's what's weird. Okay. Okay, let's. Let's take some steps back. Right.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: There are literally animals that don't. Just things that satisfy the living rubric that don't move.

Cristina: What animal doesn't move?

Jack: Barnacles are this sort of sea creature that does not move or respond to its environment at all. But it reproduces.

Cristina: But that's like a plant.

Jack: No, it's sort of like a sea plant.

Cristina: Like a sea plant?

Jack: Something like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Coral doesn't move either.

Cristina: Coral doesn't. Okay, so just all these things are in the water. Is there anything outside the water?

Jack: There's a germ. Staphylococcus.

Cristina: That doesn't move.

Jack: It doesn't move. It's weird. Other things have to eat it up and then they get sick. But it multiplies.

Cristina: But it multiplies.

Jack: Multiplies how?

Cristina: It's like. But it's not moving.

Jack: It's like. It's not a virus. It's a germ. It's a living thing. It's like a cell.

Cristina: It fits, but other germs move. This is the only one that's not moving.

Jack: Yes. It's really weird. It's very strange.

Cristina: But we can say that it's alive because it reproduces.

Jack: It reproduces, huh?

Cristina: That's the only way we know. Like. Yeah, that's a. That's the Thing that's not exactly.

Jack: Exactly. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. So let's really think about this, right? There is a literal rubric for something requiring to be alive, right? So there is. There's a chart, and I think it's seven things. So we got. You need to consume nutrition, you need to breathe air, you need to poop, you need to grow, you need to reproduce, you need to age, you need to move. Just things like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Basic s***.

Cristina: But how important are all those things?

Jack: Well, here's where it gets really weird, because not all things fit the category like what we just mentioned. Three things that don't move that we still consider to be alive.

Cristina: Is there anything that doesn't age? That's alive? What?

Jack: Turtles don't age. There's never been a turtle to die of age. They always die because they either get killed by some circumstance, get starved, or are sick. There's no turtle to have known to die of age.

Cristina: Of age.

Jack: Of age. No turtle dies of age. Turtles are the known immortal animal. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they age. They age, but they don't grow old, if that makes sense. They get older, but they never become seniors.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that is just a weird thing about turtles.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: But also, jellyfish don't age.

Cristina: How do they? What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Like, they don't die the same thing, or is it just like.

Jack: No, they don't age. They don't age at all.

Cristina: They don't.

Jack: They do not age at all. Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: What? Neither do lobsters.

Jack: Neither do lobsters.

Cristina: But they have to. They have at least the age of, like, baby to adult.

Jack: Well, no, you're missing. You're missing. You're missing. They. I guess I got a word. It. They grow up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they don't grow old.

Cristina: They don't grow old.

Jack: In every one of these instances. They grow up, but they don't grow old.

Cristina: Okay. But they do die. Except for the turtle.

Jack: Not available.

Cristina: Oh, all of them are the same.

Jack: Yeah. They don't die of age.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they don't age.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't grow old.

Cristina: Or the jellyfish, the turtle, and what was the lobster?

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes. And for all these different things, what was it? The different points of life or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. The rubric, the checkboxes.

Cristina: The checkbox. Is there an exception for each of those things?

Jack: Not necessarily an exception for all of them, but there's an exception for a lot of them. For example, last year on an episode you were talking about, we found A creature that doesn't require oxygen. Loriciferans, which are a type of. What the f*** are they called? The type of film, the loriciferins, which are a type of film that was discovered to not require oxygen but be related to the other film that are things that.

Cristina: That's a fish. I don't know. I feel like it was something water.

Jack: Related, but I don't know. Microscopic creature.

Cristina: Oh, it's okay.

Jack: And it's the cor. Not the cordyceps. What the h*** are they? The water bears are related to them.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And so this is a type of.

Cristina: Water bear that tiny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except it doesn't need air.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And sticking to the fact that not everything fills out every. Nothing completes the checklist. Not all things complete the checklist. The water bears themselves, what do they.

Cristina: They need.

Jack: They don't need food.

Cristina: They don't need food, but they can eat food.

Jack: They can eat food, but they don't need food. They have starved somehow for up to 30 years without seeing a single response.

Cristina: Well, but. And, and they just live.

Jack: They just fine.

Cristina: They're just fine.

Jack: Just fine.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Starve them out for 30 years. F****** nothing.

Cristina: But you would. If you still say these things are.

Jack: Alive, you still call, yes, they are alive. They, in any case, they respond, they do all the other things and then you have to say like, f***. So it doesn't fill out this one, which is crucial.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then it does all the others. So if like something reproduces, is it alive? If something responds to its environment, is it alive? Because a plant responds to its environment. A plant breathes air, plant drinks water.

Cristina: Are there any, then that. Which of these don't have any? Example of something that doesn't have it.

Jack: Something that doesn't have it. That's a hard one.

Cristina: I don't know, because you said most of them, they're the turtle and whatever. Well, is there any that all of us have related? I mean, is there one thing that everyone has, no matter what, to be alive?

Jack: No, no, no, because. Okay, okay, okay. There would have to be things. But for a fact, if. If one of the things doesn't make. If any creature can fail making one part of the list, there must be situations in which they all happen. Things that we would consider to be alive. In the case of something like sperm, for example, we trace it back. We're like a fetus is alive. Well, a human is alive. A baby is alive. A baby in the womb is alive, which means a fetus is alive. And we keep tracing it and we're like, it's all alive. The ups of sperm before it's even a sperm, when it's just a collection of cells. But that's actually wrong because a sperm neither eats nor poops.

Cristina: So that's two of the things. Okay, so if they're missing more than two or two or more, then you wouldn't call them alive.

Jack: I don't know, it's complicated because some.

Cristina: Of these things were missing one thing, but you'd still say they're alive.

Jack: Yes. So the sperm is missing two and we still call the sperm alive.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so but should we. Or should two be the mark of like. Okay, now you're not alive.

Jack: I don't know. See, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I think our definition of life is.

Cristina: Flawed for like this checklist or.

Jack: Yeah, the checklist is f*****. The checklist is f*****. Because there's exceptions to the rule. Yeah, should be. The reason we can't find life is because we have a very strict thing and we're measuring everything by this loose, always changing thing. If we just pick some f****** things and say these things are alive, then we can basically. We need a word for something else. Now let's look at it like this, right? Carbon based life. One type of life. We theorize that there is the possibility for life not based on carbon.

Cristina: Yeah. There's like two other elements that you were talking about in some other episode. They were.

Jack: So there is the possibility that there could be creatures based on other elements that are sticky as well. We just don't have any proof for it. But we're also looking based on a rubric that's always changing. So we can't even find ourselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we need alive and we'll say that's carbon based life. If you're carbon based, you're alive. But let's use a different word that also means alive and say that some other s***. Is that anything that isn't carbon based but seems to have more or less the same things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can say is Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Galvan. Which also means essentially animated.

Cristina: Yes. That's when they electrify dead bodies. I think that's alive, but it's not.

Jack: Really alive exactly, it's galvanized.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So alive in Galvan. So carbon based life that is alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then things that aren't carbon but fill out the rubric are then Galvan. And then we need a rubric for Galvan hard. There's no way to really do that yet. We just have to figure out what life is. Not before we can say what Galvan is. And that's where we're f****** up. Because we have a weird list that's always shifting.

Cristina: Yes, but do you have a list yourself for what life should be then?

Jack: Well, I think we should take out several things. Because nobody's gonna say a turtle isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a jellyfish isn't alive. Nobody's gonna say that a lobster isn't alive.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Aging is not a requirement of life. In fact, if we ever find the cure to aging and thus solve the problem of death. Death. We even know what. What things in our body specifically cause aging.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We might solve that problem.

Cristina: We might still be alive even if we solve the problem of death.

Jack: Exactly. In which case we can already foresee a future in which aging isn't a thing. But that doesn't stop us from being alive.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So we can remove aging from the equation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The other thing we can definitely remove from is movement.

Cristina: Yeah. That seems really wrong.

Jack: Movement is an issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Responding to your environment. Completely unnecessary. And there's one perfect example of that case.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: You can have a brain dead individual.

Cristina: Okay. That's exactly what I was thinking. Like.

Jack: And they're still alive.

Cristina: They're still alive. That's why. That's why I was thinking. Like that's so wrong. Because that's exactly what I pictured.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make any sense. There's still alive even if they're not moving.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: They have no motion. But you've not said they're dead yet.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And those two things are a problem. The other things that obviously don't need to make it are like consciousness. You can't judge that. You can't judge that. Exactly. There's no way to do it. Which would mean the only things that are a requirement for life would be nutrition. You have to consume things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Respiration, you have to inhale oxygen. Excretion, you have to have waste for what you consume. Growth. You need to grow in some degree even if you don't age. Two different things. And reproduction. You need to be able to make more of you.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Now, something that is Galvan doesn't require any of the things I've just mentioned. But it does not at any moment mean that it's not conscious.

Cristina: Because we're not counting anything about conscious though. Because we can't tell.

Jack: Yes. We're saying that any conscious being could be alive. Or Galvan and Galvin is the thing that isn't life, but is not. But it's similar. It's the. It's life that isn't carbon.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And because it's not carbon, it doesn't behave the way that things that are carbon are. But what do we mean? We mean is that it is conscious. It's perceiving the universe.

Cristina: There's no examples of Galvin.

Jack: Not that we can think of. Exactly. Yet.

Cristina: Yes, yet.

Jack: With enough time. But with this list, a couple of weird things will happen. Because most of the things in the world we can easily chalk off to alive and dead. Some of them are hypocritically so.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: We just don't like some things?

Cristina: We just don't like some.

Jack: Yeah, we just don't like some things. And we done call it not alive because we can't.

Cristina: We.

Jack: We can't talk to it or something, you know. Yes, But a good example of something that fills the rubric out, all right, is fire.

Cristina: Fire.

Jack: Fire needs matter. Yes, yes, the checklist. Fire needs matter. Fire breathes air, Fire leaves waste. Fire grows and it reproduces fire. And the craziest part is it is carbon based.

Cristina: Yes. It fits all this and even fits some of the other things we took off the list, like movement.

Jack: Movement. Yep, yep, yep.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So fire is by any other measure alive. It's a living thing. It responds to its environment.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: It is a living thing. Fire is a living thing, alright.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Not only that, but fire. So unbelievably similar to humans in so many ways. Let's break down what a human is. Right. So human consists of a cycle of oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium and phosphorus, while fire consists of a cycle of carbon, hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen. All this f****** missing is phosphorus and calcium.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Okay, so then we go on and say humans breathe oxygen. Well, so does fire.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fire cannot exist without oxygen. It would disappear. It's composed of a combination, particularly the running forces. The big giant chunks of everything that creates a person is carbon and nitrogen. Those are the two big ones out of all the major elements that they're composed of. Well, so is fire. Humans, after they inhale oxygen, they exhale carbon dioxide, which just so happens to be what fire leaves behind after it takes in the air.

Cristina: We're twinning. Oh my gosh, we're twinning.

Jack: F*** yeah. And the obvious one, that humans respond to their environment as does fire. Now, interesting enough. Fire fuses to procreate like a very specific species of angler fish.

Cristina: What do you Mean like angler fish.

Jack: There's an. There's an angler fish that it fuses with the female to reproduce. Their bodies fuse and fire.

Cristina: That's what's happening with fire.

Jack: Fire can fuse to reproduce. Fire doesn't need that to reproduce, but it can do that to reproduce, which is something that we already see in nature by something we already call alive. So it reproduces like something fully biological.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The only difference between fire and humans is that fire isn't, isn't composed of cells. That's an interesting thing that's going on there.

Cristina: We do we. Is that part of the definition? That's not part of the definition.

Jack: No, that's not part of the definition of life.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is not made of cells, although I think people think of it that way. I think that's the general consensus. We're just looking for things that are either cells or made of cells and calling that alive and then trying to nail down the checklist for anything and everything that contains cells. But the problem is not everything falls in.

Cristina: Yes, like this. Like fire.

Jack: Yes, but in this case, by choosing very specific things, we can call something alive without needing the requirement of it being composed of cells. Although it's still carbon based life.

Cristina: It is what? It's a whole different type of life.

Jack: It's a whole different type of life and we can compare it and it makes perfect sense. It is carbon based life that behaves in every, every possible way like a human. It's just not made of cells. The problem is, in science we have a very particular problem where we think we already figured it out and moved forward as such. So cells that's alive. Now anything that has cells is alive by default.

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, then make a rule set that tells us. Well, no, if their argument was it's made of cells, thus alive. Fine, but why do we have a checklist then? The checklist would just be it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Thus alive.

Cristina: The end. But then what about plants? No, they have cells too, right? Yeah, it's just different.

Jack: Different cells.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: That's why I think their argument is that even if they're trying to make a checklist, but the problem is it makes it difficult to discover what is life that isn't made of cells. Yes, that's where it f**** up. Maybe it's a useful measure that we say all things made of cells are alive, but there are things that aren't made of cells that are alive too. Like fire.

Cristina: Yeah, like fire. What's anything else like fire?

Jack: Well, something Very similar to fire is lightning, which is a form of fire, essentially. It's also constructed of nitrogen and oxygen as a response to its environment. And it does not age, which is interesting. Neither does fire. Neither does fire.

Cristina: It's just fire in a different form, though not necessarily. Okay.

Jack: Because its function is completely different and it's sort of composed of a chain reaction in a different way. I guess fire is also. Everything is a chain reaction. Think about it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But what's interesting enough, after we have a rubric like this designed, we start getting into the weeds, which it gets weird. It gets really, really, really, really odd as you continue to move forward. Because if we use this rubric and apply it to a fetus, okay. Then we can definitely say even if a fetus is made of cells, this is assuming. We're not saying that all things with cells are alive.

Cristina: No, we're just going based on the checklist.

Jack: Yes, Just this checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So based on this checklist, like a fetus breathes through its mother, a fetus consumes nutrition through its mother. It receives food and it poops outward through the umbilical cord. And it receives its oxygen through the umbilical cord and it grows with those things. But it doesn't reproduce, which is problematic because you're a living thing that doesn't reproduce.

Jack: And a fetus isn't a baby yet a fetus is just a fetus. Unless you're also saying the sperm is also a baby. But those doesn't work that way. So fetus does not reproduce. Thus by extension it is not alive. Alive.

Cristina: What, so you're saying only once it's born, it's alive?

Jack: Only once it's born, it's once. Well, it doesn't need to be born, but once it has functional sexual organs.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's when it crosses the threshold and can complete the checklist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now I think the best approach is a combination of both systems. Right? So we say all things made of cells are factually alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And anything that completes this checklist.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And yes.

Cristina: All right. So this thing is alive even if it doesn't complete the checklist because it's made out of cells.

Jack: Exactly. So you're made of cells. Check. You're in. Yes, you've made it. That means you don't need anything else on the list.

Cristina: All right, but if you don't have cells, then we check the checklist.

Jack: Yes, check the checklist. You compared to the checklist and you function good. You are a living thing.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: That does not mean conscious. There's no way to tell.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Fire could totally not be conscious.

Cristina: Totally could be.

Jack: And it totally could be. It totally could be. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: All of it could be intentional. Yeah, there's no way to know. We can't predict fire. Just the same way we can't predict a person. Yeah, it's random. It's chaotic. It moves in ways we can't assume. We can be. Like it's headed that way, but you know, we can never. Like we're gonna go that way and stop preemptively. It's like. But it turned that f*** away instead. There's no way to know. But following the checklist, now let's. Let's use that same checklist and compete with spur compared to sperm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So sperm doesn't breathe, doesn't need oxygen. Sperm doesn't eat. Sperm does not excrete. Sperm doesn't grow. Sperm doesn't reproduce. All it does is respond to its environment. That's it.

Cristina: So it's not alive. Except for that. It's made out of.

Jack: Except for that it's made out of cells.

Cristina: Yeah. So it checks and it has. It's alive even though it doesn't have anything.

Jack: Unless we're saying the checklist is the only way.

Cristina: Yes, but I like using both.

Jack: I think made of cells equals alive or complete the checklist.

Cristina: Yes, I think that's right. How about a tornado? Since you talked about fire and lightning. Is tornado way off.

Jack: A tornado doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: No. Too little tornadoes.

Jack: Hurricane can make tornadoes.

Cristina: Does that count? Does that even though it's one giant thing. I don't know.

Jack: Why does size matter?

Cristina: Does size matter? I don't know. No, it doesn't.

Jack: Okay, well, let's look at the checklist. Needs to consume.

Cristina: Yes. Does it?

Jack: Yes. Water.

Cristina: Water.

Jack: Needs water.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And needs air.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Doesn't leave waste relative to air or water, though. It doesn't consume those things and then get rid of something. It doesn't leave carbon behind.

Cristina: It leaves water behind.

Jack: That's not waste. It's using it, but it's not getting rid of anything. That's what its body is made out of. Decomposing. If anything it grows, does grow, it can produce reproduction. We can assume the tornado itself. Yes, but then the tornado would in any case be like a sperm. It can't reproduce itself.

Cristina: Yeah, but then it won't be alive because it doesn't.

Jack: Doesn't complete a checklist. And it's not Made of cells.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Pretty simple checklist. It's easy to check things off suddenly and we can measure anything. That is the usefulness of something like this. We can immediately just say whether something is alive or not by putting it to this checklist. Easy, simple, easy peasy, lemon squeezy. One thing I do find interesting is the idea of a God that isn't made of cells and also doesn't breathe oxygen and. And also doesn't eat food, and also doesn't excrete and also doesn't grow and also doesn't reproduce. It does reproduce. That's why we're here.

Cristina: That's why everything's here. That's why everything's here.

Jack: So it can produce, reproduce, but it's not made of cells. And he can respond to its environment. That's how he knows good or bad and gets angry or whatever and rearranges things accordingly.

Cristina: I learned so many things from the checklist.

Jack: Yes. God's not alive.

Cristina: He's not alive.

Jack: He's Galvan.

Cristina: He's a Galvan.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, wait, I forgot about Galvan.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Do we have a definition for Galvan?

Jack: Well, for Galvan, we don't know what things are Galvan. We have no checklist for Galvan because we needed to create a checklist for life that did not change first. Again, the one thing we know in Galvan is things there could be consciousness, things there could move, and things there could.

Cristina: So they. They may check off one or two.

Jack: Things off the list, but movement is. I don't know if it's a requirement. No, neither is aging. Something that is Galvan could potentially age, but it's also not in the checklist for life.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they have things that could exist in both. We know things that could exist in both. And with those leftover things, we can then begin to look. So things that age. Some things that are alive age. Most things that are alive age, but not all things that are alive. So maybe there are Galvan things that age but aren't alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And maybe there are Galvan things that move aren't alive. Maybe there's Galvan things that respond to their environment but aren't alive.

Cristina: Are you putting sperm and God and Galvan?

Jack: Yes, both for Galvin.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Except sperm is made of cells. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Already? Yeah.

Jack: Sperm is live because.

Cristina: But God and that. Tornado. Not tornado.

Jack: Hurricane.

Cristina: Hurricane. That. Yes. God and that hurricane.

Jack: Hurricane are Calvin. They are animated, but not alive.

Cristina: Okay. We cannot prove that they're cautious or not cautious, because we can't prove Any of it to anything. So.

Jack: So then assuming that we have things that are filling these rubrics, we can say that sperm and fetuses and just plants and whatever. Anything made of cells alive. But then we have fire that's not made of cells, but does check off the entire list. Thus alive.

Cristina: Thus alive.

Jack: Yes, yes. And if it wasn't for the fact that a fetus is made of cells, it would be Galvin. But it's made of cells. Yes, so it's alive. If it wasn't for a fact that sperm doesn't check s*** off the list other than responding to its environment. Yeah, it would be Galvan. But it's made of cells, so it's alive. Meanwhile, God Galvin. Any helium based life would then be Galvan. You could come, you could touch things on the scale and not check off all of them, but still not be made of cells.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And be Galvan.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: God Galvan. Like a previous episode, we were talking about shadow people. They're probably conscious. They move, they respond to their environment. But their physics are different. They don't necessarily breathe air.

Cristina: We don't.

Jack: They might reproduce.

Cristina: They might.

Jack: We don't know.

Cristina: We don't know much about them.

Jack: Yeah, they would seem to behave alive. Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't check off the whole list. No, they're Galvan because they are animate and functional and responding to their environment. Maybe aging, maybe could even die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But aren't made of cells and don't check off the life checklist. Yes, but we know they're not like a rock.

Cristina: No rock. Okay. A rock isn't alive.

Jack: A rock, as far as we know, is obviously. Well, we know it's definitely not alive. But the potential that it's not even Galvin is there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there could be a third thing we don't even have a name for because we just made up a f****** name right now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Add a third name and it doesn't fit Galvin checklist or Alive checklist. But there is consciousness somehow. And that could be a third thing of its own. If it's nothing that we would say is behaving as an animate object that doesn't seem to do anything except perceive, which is weird, but possible because that's what a vegetable is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it could totally be haunted.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we don't know where that lands now, to give Galvin a definition. Right. I guess it would be a being that's not carbon based but still has capacity to be conscious. It doesn't need to be conscious, but it could be conscious. And it needs to. There should be a checklist that in the future we can make that should contain maybe something Galvan does move. Maybe it needs to move.

Cristina: But what about Frankenstein? That was what was based on. But because of this checklist and because of what we just came up with, is it alive?

Jack: Then he's made out of cells.

Cristina: Exactly. That's exactly what I was thinking.

Jack: Like, yeah, he's made out of cells. Frankenstein is.

Cristina: He's not a gallon. Even though he might be inspired by that idea. But our new checklist makes him alive.

Jack: Yes, because we're including being made of cells. And all the separate limbs he's made out of only function, because Cells.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So he's definitely alive. Alive.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But now, what's interesting about this is I would argue that something Galvin has to move. We'll put that in that checklist. It has to move. Now, something alive doesn't have to move, but something Galvin does.

Cristina: What about God?

Jack: Well, God can move.

Cristina: How do we know?

Jack: Well, he can do things. He's allegedly been places and he can create. That's all part of emotion.

Cristina: Okay. I guess creating would be part of motion. Just the idea of he has shown.

Jack: People his shoulder, unquote.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: And he had to move to do that or something. So based on that, he's Galvin.

Cristina: There's movement.

Jack: There's movement. So he's Galvin because there's movement. I don't know about aging. I feel like that one could be wrong.

Cristina: Aging needs to be there.

Jack: No, like it shouldn't be there because aging feels like a weird one.

Cristina: Aging. I don't know.

Jack: We can't prove shadow people age.

Cristina: No, you can't prove. I don't think aging needs to be there.

Jack: That's what I'm saying. I don't think aging should be. Be there at all.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now, so. So I guess Galvin is pretty much anything that's not in the life list. So then our Luciferins, the films called Luciferins, are they alive or are they Galvan? They're made of cells.

Cristina: They're made of cells. They're alive.

Jack: Yeah. They're almost cells themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means. Yeah, they're alive.

Cristina: They're alive.

Jack: Even if they don't eat.

Cristina: Nope.

Jack: Because they bypass the checklist. If you're missing something from the checklist. Are you made of cells?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, you're in.

Cristina: Yeah. That's it.

Jack: Simple. No question, no doubt in anybody's mind.

Cristina: All those vampires, werewolves, zombies, they're alive.

Jack: All alive. All alive.

Cristina: All of it.

Jack: Even like a fully. If zombies weren't barely alive. If they were, like, if you truly murder somebody to the point that heart stops beating and everything. That at least was a living creature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It was never a Galvan creature.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And if it reanimates, it's again, a living creature.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because it's still made of cells.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, I think we figured it out. Yeah.

Jack: And that means that turtles, for a fact, are alive. Are alive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we'll never say turtles aren't. But they don't age. And age is a weird one to have there at all.

Cristina: And jellyfish that don't even look like jellyfish. Yeah.

Jack: They look like some whole other s***. They look like a trash bag in the water.

Cristina: They look like aliens.

Jack: Yeah. It's really weird.

Cristina: But do you know any more Galvan creatures? I guess we'd have to. I don't know. That's. That's a tough one.

Jack: No, not necessarily, but that's the problem. We need to then make a checklist of things that we can call Galvan. And I think the only thing that makes sense for now is movement.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because we don't know how. Something like. I'm assuming that Galvan things will behave similar to living things in that most of them can move. And that's a good start.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, let me think. Something that can move.

Jack: Lightning.

Cristina: Lightning is alive.

Jack: It checks off some of the things on the checklist, but it's not made of cells and it doesn't check off all of the things on the checklist.

Cristina: Yeah. So lightning and fire go in there?

Jack: Well, no, because G. Gal. A. Fire completes the checklist.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Fire is alive while lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yep. How many things make the checklist that aren't made out of cells? Is fire the only one?

Jack: Fire seems to be the only one, though. Fire is the only one at the moment.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: But fire fits everything. A human fits. Consumes matter. Humans consume organic matter. Respiration. Both. Fire inhales oxygen. Humans inhale oxygen. A screecher. Fire exhales carbon dioxide. Humans exhale carbon dioxide. Growth. Fire grows as it consumes. So do people. They grow as they consume. Reproduction. Fires can break off into smaller fires that keep moving and then grow on their own. By consuming, humans can reproduce, have babies that go on consuming and growing, and they can then do the same thing.

Cristina: So is the sun a living planet with, like, fire creatures on it or something?

Jack: Yes. You know, the difference is that the sun does age. The sun is a Different kind of fire.

Cristina: The south.

Jack: Yeah. It has a timer that's internal and ticking, and it's slowly aging, getting older and will die of old age. Something. Yeah. So it not only fits the entire rubric in which fire will definitely. Here's the thing. It doesn't actually. Because it doesn't need oxygen.

Cristina: Doesn't need oxygen.

Jack: It doesn't need oxygen. And it's not made of cells. So it's missing one thing in the checklist, and it's not made of cells. The sun is Galvan.

Cristina: What? How is a fire alive? The sun is Galvan.

Jack: How is lightning? Galvan? Okay, the sun and lightning are closer related than the fire. The fire in the sun.

Cristina: Okay. What? How about lava?

Jack: Lava. It leaves waste. But it doesn't grow. It does age.

Cristina: Does age. It does grow. When it turns into. What's the.

Jack: No, it's not multiplying. It's not getting bigger. It's rolling over things that might be higher up. And it just looks bigger. Yeah, but it's not growing. There's not more of it.

Cristina: So it's not alive.

Jack: No, it's not even Galvan.

Cristina: Or Galvan. All right.

Jack: Like it has movement. It has movement. It definitely has movement, but it doesn't reproduce.

Cristina: I'm thinking something Galvin reproduce.

Jack: I'm thinking something Galvin might need to.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think lightning reproduces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We can see a bigger lightning bolt shred into a million smaller ones, and they break up into a billion smaller ones until they all celestial.

Cristina: You said like angels. Well, we have no idea what they do, so we can't say.

Jack: Well, based on what we know of angels, the lore of angels, they aren't made of cells. They don't breathe oxygen, but they fit the perception of life. They seem conscious, they move of their own accord. They respond to their environment. They can theoretically die.

Cristina: They seem a lot like us.

Jack: Yes, except they're not made of cells. They don't breathe, they don't poo.

Cristina: So put them in the Galvan.

Jack: They're Galvan. Like God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like God and lightning.

Cristina: Yes, and the sun and the sun.

Jack: God, lightning.

Cristina: But does the God reproduce angels?

Jack: God can reproduce.

Cristina: The sun, though.

Jack: The sun doesn't reproduce. No.

Cristina: So is that still Galvan? Interesting, because now we're having for sure movement and reproduction has to be there.

Jack: S***. Do angels reproduce? Because I don't. Fair enough. Fair enough.

Cristina: We don't really know if angels reproduce or not. Maybe they do.

Jack: And if they don't, then they're not Galvin.

Cristina: Then they're not Gavin. I guess.

Jack: But they seem to be the closest thing to life, I would say. I would argue that angels and shadow people are the same s***, even if they're not. I mean, technically they are, but outside that point, if we went like biblical angels. Yes, and shadow people, then they behave the way humans do and seem to think and can talk and can respond to their environment.

Cristina: They're for sure conscious.

Jack: Sure, for sure. Conscious. But they don't reproduce. So that means reproduction cannot be in that checklist either.

Cristina: Okay, then. So then movement is the only thing.

Jack: We have so far.

Cristina: All right? It's just that you can't. You don't have the. The requirements for living. But you can move. So you're. You're a Galvan.

Jack: No, because lava can move and we can. And we know for a fact it's not reproducing. We know for a fact it's not behaving of any accord. It's just like water rolling. But lightning can reproduce.

Cristina: So then what's the requirement for Galvin?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Judging.

Jack: Okay, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. What if something galvanized checks off many things off of the life list.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But not all of them.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: So you are either alive, in which you're either made of cells, or check off the whole list. Galvin not made of cells. And check off some of the things on the list or some third other s***.

Cristina: Okay, so then what was the one that we were saying? It only has movement, so it doesn't count. Yes, Lava only has movement.

Jack: But then we. We have four. Four tiers. Alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvan.

Cristina: Galvan.

Jack: Whatever movement by itself is. And then something that doesn't even have that.

Cristina: There's nothing that doesn't have movement.

Jack: A rock. It moves a rock. A rock doesn't move by itself.

Cristina: Mountains move.

Jack: Mountains also don't move by themselves.

Cristina: They grow. They don't move.

Jack: They shrink.

Cristina: They shrink. That's something.

Jack: No, no. So that's four tiers. Alive. Galvan motion and no motion. All right, so alive you have. You're either made of cells or check off the whole list.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Galvin not made of cells. Check off most of the list. Motion. Not alive. Not. Galvin, you don't check off. You're not made of cells and you only check off motion, which isn't even part of the list.

Cristina: Nope. That's just its own thing.

Jack: That's its own thing. If you can move, lava can move.

Cristina: Planets can move.

Jack: Planets could move. See, we have similarities. Now, water is in perpetual motion in the ocean, yes.

Cristina: So what's Atlas called?

Jack: That's just motion, I guess. We don't have a name for that.

Cristina: It's just things that move. All right. And things that don't move.

Jack: So biological life form and fire.

Cristina: Alive for fact, yes.

Jack: Shadow people, celestials, God, lightning, the sun. Galvin. All Galvin?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't necessarily check off many things. Well, they check off many things, but not all of them. The sun doesn't reproduce and doesn't breathe.

Cristina: That sounds right.

Jack: It does leave residue. It radiates parts of it, little by little. Excretion of sorts, of it can also get bigger. It ages. That's not even part of the f****** checklist.

Cristina: That's not. But it's so.

Jack: But it takes nutrition. Anything that lands into it, it consumes. It can't reproduce, but it grows. It has excretion. Some of the things on there make it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God is weird because he doesn't satisfy a lot of this.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But he reproduces. D***. He only checks off one of the things on the list. So then checking off anything on the list.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Without all of the list.

Cristina: Yes. Is galvanized.

Jack: Just one thing on this list. If you reproduce, Galvin, if you grow Galvin, if you excrete, Galvan, if you breathe Galvan, if you eat Galvin, you don't need all of them, you just need one of them. If you do all of them, you're alive.

Cristina: A virus.

Jack: Virus is alive. No virus is Galvan not alive. A virus is Galvin. Because a virus, it's creep. It excretes. And a virus can reproduce.

Cristina: It's not made out of cells.

Jack: It's not.

Cristina: Okay, then it's Galvin.

Jack: It's Galvin.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: In fact, it kills cells.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: Or infects them. Or makes them sick.

Cristina: Or it makes them sick.

Jack: Yep. Yeah, but it is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we were struggling. Science has struggled for very long to say whether a virus is alive or not. Well, you know what? It's close, but it's not alive.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's next best thing. It's Galvin.

Cristina: It's God. No.

Jack: God and a virus are more or less the same.

Cristina: It's more or less the same. Who knew?

Jack: So then, what else can we put on that list? We got the sun, we got God, we got angels, we got shadow people, we got lightning. That's an interesting one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Lightning reproduces. Lightning breathes.

Cristina: What else? What else is there?

Jack: And then there's the motionless.

Cristina: The motionless water. Yes. Lava.

Jack: Lava.

Cristina: Wind.

Jack: Wind. Wind is in Motion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And not one of those things we would say is conscious. We also don't know. There's no way to know.

Cristina: There's no way to know.

Jack: There's no way to know. But they do have motion.

Cristina: Yeah. But no matter where you're on this list, we don't know if you have conscious. Like, you'd be a non moving object, and we still have no idea.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could be conscious in any case. But I guess the ultimate idea would be to try to pin consciousness down, because we. If we can prove that the. In the entire time when we're thinking God, when we're thinking angels, when we're thinking shadow people, we are thinking of things that we can at least say are similar to us in some manner, shape, or form.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know we're biological, so we'll just chalk off anything biological and throw it into that same thing. Because it's probably, if any. If biology is the root, then for a fact. But if not, here are things that are similar.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the less similar you are, the further down this scale you are. But the closer to us you are, the more likely you are as conscious as me perceiving at this moment and thinking about it.

Cristina: Mm. So the only important thing is looking for, when we're looking for life is the living list.

Jack: Yeah. So we're comparing everything to the living checklist. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then from the living checklist, we then attach rules to the checklist, rather than say, if you make the checklist, you are one, and if you don't, well, you're not. And instead of that, we'll say the degree of checklist completion. Number one, are you made of cells? Yes. Alive. Okay. Not made of cells. Let's move on to number two. There's a checklist. If you can meet all the requirements on the checklist, you are alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Great.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, fair enough. We can say organic in place of alive, because organic inherently means alive. A hundred percent of anything that is made of cells is by default alive. So then we have a tier system. You're either organic, alive, Galvan, movement, moving. Good moving. Or some other s***. Or inanimate. Then. Then we finally hit inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There you go. Five steps. Are you organic? Sweet. That means you accomplish everything else under you except inanimate. Inanimate is the absence of all the others.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you are moving. You do complete the checklist. Some of the things, you complete the whole thing. And you're made of cells. Organic. Organic is, for a fact, the goal. Okay, so you're not organic, are you? Galvin, do you? Or well, are you alive?

Cristina: Are you alive? Yes.

Jack: So then. Interesting, because that puts fire by saying organic over alive.

Cristina: It's not organic, but it's alive.

Jack: Fire is not organic, but it's alive. Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we are organic and we are identical to fire in everything, with the exception that fire isn't organic, but it is alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're organic, therefore alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving. But fire isn't organic, but it is alive, therefore Galvan, therefore moving.

Cristina: Yes. Does that work with everything?

Jack: Well, God, celestials, shadow people, lightning, they are all. They're not alive, but they're all Galvan and they're all moving. And lava, air, water, are not organic, not alive, not galvanized, but they're all moving.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. And then inanimate is just.

Jack: Then inanimate. Okay, so water is an animate object.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: As is lava, as is air. All animate. They're not inanimate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting. Have we designed. I think that's the proper checklist.

Cristina: Yes. We did it.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting.

Cristina: And the checklist is called the Life checklist. No. Maybe.

Jack: D***. I don't know what the name of the checklist would be because ultimately the purpose of the checklist, of anything like looking for life or whatever the f*** we're trying to do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is to. Even if we're trying to find something in any of these categories, we're also ultimately only doing it to try to find consciousness. That is the ultimate goal of any of this. But because the idea is we find a cell, a different planet. Well, that means that life can happen, therefore there could be more complicated life out there. That's really what we're looking for.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where life could happen again.

Cristina: Okay. So it's really the most important is just organic, really.

Jack: No. Because you could get through all these others that. I mean, if we found organic matters elsewhere. That's way more astounding.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because if life happened in some other way. Well, duh. Well, duh. What are the odds that it just. Exactly the same. Unless there's only one way it could happen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would be one way. There's only one way it could happen and that's it. Or we have a common ancestor somehow. That'd be the other problem. So it's either life can only happen one way, we'll have way more questions if we do find organic life. Way more questions than answers. Yeah, but if we just find like helium based life or some s***, we'd be like, yep, that makes sense.

Cristina: We just call that a living thing.

Jack: No, that would be Galvin.

Cristina: Galvin.

Jack: Yeah. Because it doesn't necessarily have to fill out the check. It could fill out the checklist and thus be alive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could also not.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So the argument to be made is fire might be the only living thing that we can as of now, for a fact, pin down. And isn't organic.

Cristina: That's pretty amazing because then that really does show that there's other.

Jack: Oh, s***.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Oh, no. But it's organic. Okay. I was gonna say the Luciferians, but they're all made of. I was like, what the f***? They don't eat. But no, anything that is organic makes it by default.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then fire. If we can find anything else.

Cristina: So we have a second example of life.

Jack: Yes. Isn't organic. We have one example of life that isn't organic.

Cristina: So it's possible to find others.

Jack: Yes. We have simplified it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For the scientists.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they can use. Right there we have proof. It is possible to fill out the checklist.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And not be organic.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The problem is we're looking for organic, which is stupid because what are the odds now if it did happen? Holy s***. But we didn't answer. S***. We just opened a million doors.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Which is. F***. Do we have a common ancestor? Or is f****** biology the only way to do it? Or like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So way more questions. But as of now, we have non biological life. If we follow this checklist.

Cristina: And that makes it. That it's possible.

Jack: That makes it possible. Because fire because. Is alive.

Cristina: We're not alone on this earth.

Jack: And it's possible there's other things that we're just not thinking about.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because at least things that are galvan are a whole other kind of thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is what we were basically trying to say was life before. But our checklist was too shaky.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So anything Calvin. It lit. That word is a synonym for alive, by the way. Anybody confused it means animated object. It's a lot. It's alive. The point of that is that it's another word for live. But we're not using alive because you're not completing the life checklist that we made up. Yeah.

Cristina: So.

Jack: Well, actually, the checklist was already made up by scientists. We just removed two things as obligations and said that anything else you have to meet, you can't not not meet it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unless you're organic. Then doesn't matter. You've bypassed the checklist. You start at organic, move on to the life checklist. Move on to the Galvan checklist. And then finally. Can you move?

Cristina: Can you.

Jack: Most of the things. All the way through Galvan. So organic, alive. Galvan and moving can move most of the things if you don't fill out anything else. But you can move. You're at least not inanimate.

Cristina: Yeah, we're not interested in inanimate. Inanimate.

Jack: Yes. Because that would be the hardest thing to prove. Conscious.

Cristina: Yes. And we're not really interested in moving either.

Jack: We're less interested than all the other stuff, but we're more interested than we.

Cristina: Are Galvin, I think is when it's like.

Jack: Because Galvin gets really interesting.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Reproduce. Wow.

Cristina: Well, I don't know. I think we're more. It's. It's gotta be over, Gavin.

Jack: It's gotta be Galvin or higher.

Cristina: I think it has to be over Galvin.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't think we're interested in Galvin. What are the things in Galvin again?

Jack: Celestials. Shadow people.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why. That's why. Like, how do you prove any of that?

Jack: Lightning is Galvan.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why we're not interested in lightning. Although we're not interested in fire. And we already proved that that's alive, so never mind.

Jack: Sun is Galvan and it's super related to fire. Like lightning.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Wouldn't be. We be.

Cristina: The scientists don't care.

Jack: It would be like. Look at it like this, right? We have us at organic, thus alive.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we complete the whole checklist. Yeah, but also sperm doesn't complete s*** on the checklist. But it's alive. That's the same as saying there is fire. That completes the checklist. So it's alive. But lightning and the sun don't complete the checklist. So they're Galvin. Sperm is to us what lightning and the sun are to fire. It's one step under. Yeah, except it's the same. But not.

Cristina: Yeah, it's the same.

Jack: The difference is that sperm is in fact organic. Thus it bypasses everything and comes to the top.

Cristina: Unfair.

Jack: But it works. Anyways. That's fascinating as f***. I guess we have a rubric now to determine whether something is alive or not. So like I said, go find. I guess no longer look for an inanimate object. Look for any variant of animate object. Go scoop up some lava with your hand and make it listen to the podcast.

Cristina: I thought you were just talking to your walls. Why you gotta scoop lava now?

Jack: Because walls are inanimate and we're no longer interested in. I began this episode. Wrong.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they have to scoop up, bare minimum, something moving.

Cristina: Like lava.

Jack: Like lava. Just scoop up.

Cristina: Scoop up some wind.

Jack: Scoop up some wind and you can listen to the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it responds, then.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: I think we got it.

Jack: I think. I think we nailed something down.

Cristina: We're scientists. Right here.

Jack: At least we simplified it for scientists. Anyways, if you guys got. If you guys like weird discussions like this. There are many discussions of this nature. We haven't done one this detailed in a while, but there's a bunch of weird s*** out there. You can go find out what it would be like if we, like, powered society with a potato, if you want to know.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, Remember that? Yeah, The. The machine. We had a time machine for a short.

Jack: Time machine. We. For a short time. We literally still have that time machine.

Cristina: We never used it. You used it to stop us from.

Jack: Killing cat people or something.

Cristina: You wanted to kill a cat people? I don't know.

Jack: Whatever. The point is. Point is we got. We got episodes where things happen.

Cristina: Things happen. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. And we look for life in a different episode. We actively search for life. So, yeah, go listen to those episodes. Listen to other things. I think we just had a questions episode or some s***. Anyways, if you want to find that stuff, you can find it at the official website@greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcast, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTokod.

Jack: Yes. And you can subscribe and rate the show. And if you feel so inclined, you can always review the show.

Cristina: Give us your rating. We eat that. We eat that for dinner.

Jack: Yes. Yes, we do. You don't rate us, we starve.

Cristina: Yes. If you don't rate us, we starve. Help. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Word of mouth. Tell people that we've solved the problem of life and then show them what we've come up with.

Cristina: And then show them your missing arm because you scooped up Blobber. Again, this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: And balance.

Cristina: Balance. Yeah.

Jack: Creation and Atheos. Destruction and shaggy reason in the flying Spaghetti Monster. And chaos and Kek.

Cristina: What about Chuck Norris?

Jack: He's not a God.

Cristina: He's not? No.

Jack: I guess he's like a trickster.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I guess he's more like.

Jack: He exists in sort of the pockets of f****** reality.

Cristina: If anything, he's a reality breaker.

Jack: Yeah. He's like Deadpool.

Cristina: Yeah. Yep.

Jack: Deadpool could be Shaggy that's so overpowered because he has this thing that makes no sense and cannot be explained in any f****** way, which is the ability to leave a panel. It's too overpowered. It seems so simple, but in any comic book page, he's basically invincible.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 119: Bad Relationship Advice 3

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What is the secret to a successful relationship? What causes relationship problems? Answers to listener-submitted questions about relationships on this episode.

Story:
The duo sits down to make their third installment of relationship advice for loyal listeners. In this rare type of episode, the expert advice leaks from every inch of our heroes and they will in fact save these relationships without effort. Advice that should be in self-help books and sold for the highest price is given for the low, low price of one listen. Tune in and find out what the listeners of this show go through in their personal lives.

+Episode Details

Questions Asked:

  • My husband thinks I’m not attractive? 8:55
  • Be my mother-in-law’s sperm donor? 12:46
  • Swap my boyfriend for his brother? 15:59
  • Boyfriend won’t block his ex?!? 18:30
  • My girlfriend doesn’t shower!? 22:58
  • Broke up to see others. Get back together? 28:50
  • My pregnant wife cheated. Get divorced? 33:19
  • How do I ask if my crush is gay? 40:36
  • Girlfriend showed a gay guy my penis photo?! 42:57
  • She said her ex’s name during sex!? 46:20
  • Girlfriend threatens suicide if we break up?! 51:12
  • Cried in front of my girlfriend. Am I weak? 53:28
  • My sister is dating my gay ex-boyfriend?! 57:53

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notifications notified the second new episodes are released.

Jack: Yes. And also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner, so be sure to grab somebody against their will, as usual, because that's the theme of this podcast. You force somebody to listen, always and without exception. And I will never tell you to do the opposite of that. You force somebody to listen, undoubtedly.

Cristina: Can you also force them to review the show?

Jack: Oh, yeah. Review the show. Be sure to review the show. You should force somebody to listen and review the show.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Very important.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, yeah, do that.

Cristina: Yes. Guess what's coming up tomorrow. Well, guess what's happening tomorrow.

Jack: What's happening tomorrow?

Cristina: It's not really happening. But what holiday is it?

Jack: A holiday. What's happening tomorrow?

Cristina: Valentine's.

Jack: And what's that?

Cristina: A day? A holiday. You know what Valentine's is?

Jack: I don't. Never heard of it.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Explain it to me.

Cristina: What? I don't know where to start. I don't know. Angels come and give you chalk flavored hearts.

Jack: Now let's unpack this. Does the angel having an o***** create the chocolate that's heart shaped?

Cristina: No, these angels are babies. These are baby angels. They have no j***.

Jack: So it's like a dry c** does.

Cristina: Not come from these angels.

Jack: You just said they come from and thus chocolate.

Cristina: No, I did not mention chocolate either. You said heart chalk flavored chalk. Yeah, chalk. It tastes like chalk. The hearts taste like chalk. You know, those tiny candy hearts, and it says things like I love you and be my. Like, really wax things. Wait, wait, wait, wait. They taste like chalk, don't they? I mean, I guess there's chocolate too involved in the chocolate.

Jack: No, hold on, hold on, hold on. You're. You. You're. You keep talking and you're not letting me say the most important, pressing thing that's happening here at the moment.

Cristina: What's that like?

Jack: First, let's hear the story and unpack it in great detail so we can understand why. And how do you know what chalk tastes like? Oh, I no longer care about Valentine's Day. I want to know when you tasted chalk and why you tasted chalk.

Cristina: I don't think I've tasted chalk. Maybe I have.

Jack: I don't Know now I'm lost and confused.

Cristina: I'm sure chalk tastes like these candies. Candy. Based on my imagination, through the power of imagination, I. It's just like if anything. If this tastes like anything, it has to be chakra.

Jack: Sure it's not like one of those dry Lucky Charm marshmallows?

Cristina: It could be that, too. No, I think it's even drier than that. It's even worse.

Jack: No, see, here's the. Here's what's. It's impossible to be dry than that. It's not like when you bite into one of those marshmallows, it feels like you're biting into the sound that nails on a chalkboard make.

Cristina: How is that possible?

Jack: That's. That's what that feeling sensation is.

Cristina: Well, I think they take those marshmallows and dry them more.

Jack: They dry out Lucky Charms even more. And boom, there you have it.

Cristina: Yeah. Just for this day.

Jack: But those chocolate. Those candies are hard as f***, though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So then what do they do? They compress Lucky Charms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not drier. It's more compact.

Cristina: It's more compact. Yes, it's more compact. Lucky Charms. It's the same thing. You look at the ingredients. It just says Lucky Charms.

Jack: Just thinking about biting into Lucky Charms. Like, I hate it so much. Like, the only. You gotta fill up a bowl with water or milk. I guess milk is what people do because people are like, oh, water with cereal, it's like, you what the f***? But. So you pour milk on nothing. Not the rest of the cereal. You gotta somehow split them. They should just sell Lucky Charms where they come in two different, like, things.

Cristina: With the marshmallow in one. And a lot of people are fans of the marshmallow.

Jack: No, I get it. I get it. You pour the marshmallow first, let it get soft, and then you pour in the cereal so you have some nice texture instead of just waiting for the marshmallow to get soft. And as a result, having dry a**. The rest of the cereal, not dry a**, but super soggy cere. Just to get soft.

Cristina: Yep. Or you could just eat it dry.

Jack: Man, those aren't even marshmallows. Who called those marshmallows?

Cristina: I don't know. The leprechaun.

Jack: I mean, I guess he said so. He's magic. I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe those are f****** marshmallows from the leprechaun world.

Cristina: Yes. Is his name Lucky?

Jack: I think his name is Lucky.

Cristina: Okay, that's sad.

Jack: Lucky Leprechaun.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Does he have a missing leg and One icon. Like he wears an eyepatch and he only has one leg.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because his name is Lucky. Isn't that how that usually goes? A one legged dog named like the three legged dog named Lucky?

Cristina: No, he's just trapped, giving kids cereal.

Jack: In some sort of infinite loop.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So okay, all of this has to do with Valentine's.

Cristina: Yes, yes. And we recently, probably at the beginning of this month. Right. Or last, the end of last month, put out a post on like, hey, what advice would you like?

Jack: Oh yeah, I don't know. When that s*** goes up and goes out, what am I knowing? Then I get told, hey, we're doing one of these. And then I'm like, ah, I see.

Cristina: Yeah. So have a few of those questions.

Jack: Ooh, we got a lot of responses.

Cristina: Yes. And they're all anonymous.

Jack: Yeah, I heard about this. So we aren't using names for these questions anymore because although people enjoyed our answers, they were angry and that our answers were although comedic rude with their name included in the mix.

Cristina: Because you're rude to the people asking the questions.

Jack: I'm not rude to anybody. I am polite as f***.

Cristina: Polite.

Jack: Yes, yes. And they get butthurt because they're ignorant and their problems are stupid. And I give them genuine, well thought out.

Cristina: Why do we call this bad relationship advice?

Jack: I don't know. I don't f****** name this s***.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, I guess the relationships are bad and that's why they need the advice.

Jack: Oh my God. I never thought about this. This is.

Cristina: These were giving good advice to bad relationships.

Jack: Oh my God. I had this wrong the whole time. I thought they were saying we were giving bad advice for relationships like we were giving bad relationship advice. No, we're giving bad relationships advice.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: S***. Plot twist. The power of perspective.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You see guys, we win.

Cristina: We win. We give great advice to your crappy relationships. Yes.

Jack: And so we got an influx of your crappy questions about your crappy relationships. I don't know why they keep f****** sent. I guess it must be entertaining.

Cristina: At least it's just entertaining.

Jack: Be made fun of. Yes, I guess. Look, I try to be genuine and give you a real solution. Whether you take it or not, it's. That sounds more like a personal problem.

Cristina: How many people you think take your advice?

Jack: Zero out of a hundred percent of them.

Cristina: Zero out of 100%?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yes. I don't know how that adds up, but whatever.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's either all of them or none of them. Not sure.

Cristina: Okay, so you're saying what I'm saying?

Jack: Somewhere between all of them and none of them.

Cristina: Oh, you're not saying anything.

Jack: Okay, I totally am saying.

Cristina: You're saying either it's 0 or 100 or you're saying somewhere between 0 and 100.

Jack: I'm saying the range in which they might. Because I don't want to say this many exact. So to just kind of reach a certain amount. Yes, I am saying I think the percentage of people who take this advice is somewhere between 0% and 100%. Prove me wrong.

Cristina: I can't prove that. Okay. But come on, that's lame. That's too wide. You have to have a better guess than that.

Jack: Somewhere between 99.99% and.001.

Cristina: Whatever. Okay, prove me wrong. I can't. So I'll go with the first question.

Jack: Yes, let's jump into these questions and help people resolve their relationship troubles.

Cristina: Yes, I overheard my husband saying that he knows I'm not attractive and that everyone thought it was a joke when he married me, but he thinks that at least I am a great mom. Can a marriage survive without that attraction? And is it worth it to know he is settling?

Jack: I don't understand how she jumped to the conclusion that he is settling is her measure looks. And if she doesn't look well, he's settling. And even if he loves her personality and he loves spending time with her and he thinks she's great, he doesn't think she's the best looking human in.

Cristina: The world, he's just not sexually attracted to her at all.

Jack: Though you could be sexually attracted to somebody without them being physically attractive. Those are unrelated.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Sexuality is so unbelievably psychological.

Cristina: So he might be attracted.

Jack: He's based on what's happening here. Yeah, he's attracted there. That's why he doesn't tell her. He doesn't want to hurt her feelings. But she took what he said as he could do better, but he's settling. Or maybe he couldn't do better and I'm just the best he can get. But he's settled here because of that. And it's like, maybe he wants to be there. Maybe he thinks you're beautiful on the inside.

Cristina: Maybe he.

Jack: Or maybe he doesn't even care. Let's say you're a perfect 10, but you look stereotypic. Like he doesn't like the average blonde that most guys like. The jock, bro. Like, I'm too bruh. I wouldn't bang this s***. Like that guy totally would. But he's like, whatever. She looks like the typical f****** whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Everybody else is like, she's a perfect 10. And he's like, I don't really find that attractive, but she's awesome. Her personality doesn't line up with that Persona surrounding that.

Cristina: But she also said that everyone thinks him marrying her was a joke because.

Jack: They'Re probably jackasses who are also fixated on imagery.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: And it's like, he's still there. He's have a family together.

Cristina: He got like, how did that happen?

Jack: Yeah. Like, he clearly loves you, your looks. Who cares?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And to be fair, that doesn't mean you're not attractive. You're just not his definition of physical attraction, which is totally not a requirement.

Cristina: No, but how is she gonna live with herself?

Jack: I guess, like, now that she knows she's an uggo. Yeah, like, she's a total uggo, bruh.

Cristina: She's a total uggo. How's she gonna live?

Jack: I don't know. She can gauge it. She can totally figure it out. Right. So you go to a bar. Nah, it's a bad place. You're just looking to f*** anything. You gotta go somewhere where there's a bunch of hot chicks first. Look in a mirror. Are you ugly? Like, tell yourself, like, be. Be real. None of this. I'm ugly? No.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, look and be honest. Like, are you hot? If you're hot, you know you're hot. Like, are you hot? Look in the mirror and be like, really? Really? Like, you wouldn't say it out loud if you got low confidence or whatever, but you, like, ultimately know everybody knows where they land. Really? Really? Unless they're, like, egotistical or some s***. So she should know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then look in mirror and you're like, are you hot? If you like. Yeah. Question answered.

Cristina: But if you're like, your husband's comments.

Jack: That'S just his preference doesn't line up with your personality. He likes your personality.

Cristina: Should she talk to him about this?

Jack: Yes, she should.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: H*** yeah. This is be f****** dialogue. I don't know why people keep it. This is the biggest f****** everybody. Communication is every issue.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is.

Jack: If you don't communicate, you're failing. And that's always a problem. There's no prop. I swear, after I give my conclusion to every one of these and the practical solution, I will say communication is a problem to each one of these. No questions. I haven't seen these questions to anybody wondering. I have not seen these questions based on previous episodes. I have no f****** doubt in my mind. Every problem is communication.

Cristina: I think so too, I think so. I'm not sure. But we'll see. We'll see. Let's go to the next question. My mother in law wants me to be her sperm donor so she can have another child. My wife is on her side and is supporting her. What do I do?

Jack: Okay, look, if your mother in law is hot, you need to hold the situation hostage and say the only way you'll donate sperm is actively.

Cristina: No, that's horrible.

Jack: I don't see. Look, they're making him do something horrible. He, his kid is going to be raised in his mother in law. So look, if that's the f****** problem here, if you guys are pressuring, I'll hold the situation. You want it? It's gonna be that close to my life. If you were a stranger, great.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But you want this that close to my life? Then this is how we're playing this. I've got a f*** you pregnant. Only way this plays out. This way both of you have to be just as f***** in the head as I am moving forward. Three way mind f***. Let's do it. Because I ain't the only one being mindfucked here. If you're not down with this. Hold the situation. You f*** your mother.

Cristina: What's just so hard about just donating?

Jack: People get attached to their DNA, okay? I don't f****** know. I would just f****** j***. No cop.

Cristina: Give me money, give me money, give me money.

Jack: Okay, Jizzyno cup, give me money. I can feed it to you if you want. Open your v*****, put in there with a turkey baster, I don't care. It's all the same.

Cristina: Okay, but if it's this serious to him, he should just hold the hostage.

Jack: Oh, yeah, if it's this important, yes. Also f****** talk about it with them.

Cristina: You think the solution is to talk to them?

Jack: Yeah. Really sit down and be like, this makes me uncomfortable as h***.

Cristina: Yeah. What if they peer pressure him?

Jack: Then you say, only if I can f*** my mother in law.

Cristina: Ow. No one wins in that situation.

Jack: No one wins. So either I lose alone or we all lose together.

Cristina: Ooh. Okay, that's a great solution.

Jack: Great solution. Bang your mother in law, pressure them into that. How bad does she want the kid?

Cristina: How bad does she want.

Jack: That's, that's where it lands. Because you might be doing this as a threat. And then you realize she wants the kid too bad and her daughter is down with how bad. No, it's like, whoa. But no, that's weird. Anyways, dude, think about how f*** this is that lady gets pregnant, has the kid, that means that to her daughter, her brother is her boyfriend's son.

Cristina: Her brother is her boyfriend's son.

Jack: Is that her husband? Is it a husband?

Cristina: I think it was husband.

Jack: Oh, well, s***.

Cristina: Her husband's son is her brother.

Jack: Yeah. Her husband's son is her brother.

Cristina: She seems fine with it, though.

Jack: This is some f****** Alabama type of s***.

Cristina: She seems perfectly fine. So should it matter which how it happens?

Jack: No, it should just be about communication. Really? Really. It doesn't. It doesn't matter. Even the constructs of uncle, sister, brother, mother, like, the f***. We built those structures.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, if she's going to raise her like her son, then do not. Like, if that's a weird.

Jack: That's a problem. People struggle with that. Like, you kind of have to remove yourself from that situation forever.

Cristina: He has to move away and never see her again.

Jack: Yeah. Because it's weird, dude. Yeah, it's weird as f***. Like, I get where he's coming from. It doesn't have to be that way.

Cristina: Good luck with that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The next one is, my boyfriend's mother has been sabotaging our relationship. She thinks I would make a better match with my boyfriend's brother. Should I tell my boyfriend about his mother's go. I feel like that would be very hurtful, but it would be more hurtful if I just never told him. What should I do?

Jack: Tell him.

Cristina: Tell him.

Jack: Tell him.

Cristina: She. Sure. I thought. No, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Just be like, hey, your mom's trying to get me to break up with you and go with your brother.

Cristina: Especially if you have proof. Like, look at these text messages.

Jack: Yeah, if you got proof. Oh, s***. No, don't show him.

Cristina: Don't show him.

Jack: No. You have blackmail material.

Jack: Now it's like, I can show your children what you've decided to tell me, and if that's the case, I can be shut up for money.

Cristina: Whoa. What?

Jack: Yeah. Right now we have a particularly interesting situation where I have proof that you're a stupid b**** and you don't want your children to know you're a stupid b****. So.

Cristina: Okay, but what if she doesn't have proof?

Jack: Oh, no. If you don't have proof to straight out tell him, be like, I don't know why the f*** your mom's trying to get me to break. But, like, also, how does she know?

Cristina: How does she know?

Jack: Did she flat out tell you? Yes, if you got proof, this is f****** done.

Cristina: Solved.

Jack: If you're assuming, then we're in weird territory. Like, could. Could you prove It. Without proof, Is it believable? Is the question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is it believable? Or if you really showed anyone else what's going on, would it just be you believing it? And in that case, are you really just making this up and not realizing it?

Cristina: Then maybe you should plan it out. Okay. Talk to a friend and ask them, hey, does this sound like.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. You can't tell anybody. You got to go to your boyfriend and be like, this is what I think is happening. Because again, just talk about it, figure it out.

Cristina: Yes, but be honest. Like, I don't know. Yeah. If you don't have the proof or anything, like, I don't know, but it feels like this.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I'm not comfortable. Help me out.

Jack: That is exactly what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to figure out with communication.

Cristina: Communication.

Jack: Communication. I can answer every single one of these f****** questions with communication. That's 100% everybody's problem.

Cristina: One of these will have the answer of friendship. No. I don't know. Maybe.

Jack: I mean, look, the possibility that impregnating your. Your mother in law. The solution is friendship. Everybody buddy up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That could be it.

Cristina: Yes. Wow. The next question is, my boyfriend's ex contacts him, sends nudes, and my boyfriend won't block her. I want to know where I stand in our relationship and need help with how to confront him about this and need an outside perspective on what you think is going on.

Jack: Oh, my God. People are so f****** stupid.

Cristina: He's cheating. No. Oh, no.

Jack: This is so dumb. Why? Okay, I. F***. I wish some of these people were just here so I could, like, pick their brains because some of this s*** is so stupid. Why do you need an outside perspective to solve your relationship? Why?

Cristina: I think if she already talked to him.

Jack: I don't think she already talked to him. I think the problem is she hasn't already talked to him.

Cristina: Oh. Because if she did, then maybe just leave.

Jack: She hasn't. She hasn't. This question pretty much tells us she hasn't.

Cristina: Okay, you believe she has not because.

Jack: She doesn't know what their intentions are. She doesn't know where she stands with him. And it's like, maybe ask. Let's go down the checklist. Do you have a problem with the nudes? If you do voice that, yes. If he refuses now, he's violating it. Unless you've previously stated that you're okay with things like that, in which case you're suddenly changing up the rules that you've previously established, in which case you're f****** up.

Cristina: But if it's against the rules, then he's f****** up. Yes.

Jack: And now you've got a conflict of interest. From then forward, you can deduce the rest. He's already willing to break those rules explicitly establish, meaning who knows how far that rabbit hole goes. But assuming you're okay with the photos, but it's because it's his ex girlfriend that it's bothering you now you proceed to the next series of questions.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Because he has the defense of. I thought you were okay with this. So you move on to the next series of. Well, why her? What's the interaction here? If he's like, we're just friends, then you should. He shouldn't have a problem with proving it. Can I see the conversation? If you are this now, don't snoop. Don't jump in his phone without his f****** permission.

Cristina: This is probably how she found out about this, though.

Jack: D***. If that's how you found out, you're already f****** up. Because you're not. If the fact that you don't already know if you did spy means it was so platonic. But he's. That's his ex girlfriend. He's already seen her naked a million times. Who gives a s***? So the question is. You snooping through his phone.

Cristina: What?

Jack: If you didn't find anything? You're already f*****. So if that's the case, she started off wrong.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If she just jumped in his phone, found the f*** out. Leave that relationship. You already don't trust him.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Why? If you're snooping around.

Jack: Yeah. If you're snooping around. You are. You already don't trust him.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: But if he was open about it, and that's how you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then you're getting jealous about something you probably established comfort with. So open dialogue. Communicate.

Cristina: Communicate.

Jack: Figure out where he stands.

Cristina: Mm. Or. Or leave.

Jack: Or f****** leave. If you don't trust somebody. I've said this before. If you don't trust somebody, there's no f****** reason to be with.

Cristina: yes. There's two important rules right now.

Jack: Communicate.

Cristina: Communicate. And if you don't trust someone, why.

Jack: Why are you with them? They're hooked. Well, I love him. No, you don't. No, you're infatuated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because love includes trust.

Cristina: Yes, but they can't. Okay. But, yes, those are two important rules. Remember that. Remember?

Jack: Yeah. I'm telling you. I'm answer every single question with communication. Doesn't matter which one it is.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Except that other guy who probably shouldn't even communicate. Just be. I mean, he could communicate f****** his mother in law.

Cristina: That's all you think about now.

Jack: Yeah, that's the solid plan, bro. Is she hot? That's the question. If she's like s***** looking, then this isn't a solid plan.

Cristina: I hope she is. I hope she looks like, like really, really, really, really old lady that shouldn't be having children anymore. So I don't know why she's asking.

Jack: But like that fetus is gonna die 100%.

Cristina: Yeah, that's interesting.

Jack: I mean, she should still be young enough to be ovulating.

Cristina: Yeah, but she looks like that old. Like she just never took care of herself.

Jack: That's crazy. Like, smacked back every cigarette and every.

Cristina: Drink and did she looks like Max mom from Sunny in Philadelphia? Do you remember who his mom looks like?

Jack: Oh, the f******. Yeah. Talks like that.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yes. Well, if she look like that, I don't know, man.

Jack: I guess that's really about his preference.

Cristina: Oh, all right, the next question is. All right, the next question is my girlfriend rarely showers and it's causing unpleasant odors. She's been asking for oral lately and I don't want to make her feel uncomfortable. Any advice on how to bring this up?

Jack: Just mention it.

Cristina: Just mention it.

Jack: Why you. What? Why do people like, bro, so you're just gonna f****** live with this?

Cristina: Yes, he's gonna die in his grave with this f***. Or he's gonna.

Jack: How is this. How is this one even a problem? Just, dude, look. One day that she's doing the dishes, you go into the kitchen and you just walk up to her and you. If you want to be sly and like f****** secretive about her, whatever f*** problem you have with, just f****** bring it up you go. And while she's doing the dishes, you walk up to her and you say, you see what you're doing to that plate? And she'd be like, yeah, like do that to yourself. And she'll get the hint. She'll get the hint. You see how those plates get squeaky and shiny? How's about you get squeaky and shiny? Or you could approach this differently. Walk in and be like, yo, b****, go shower.

Cristina: Or you die with it in your dream.

Jack: No, you don't die with it.

Cristina: Just mention that you don't have a pimp ring.

Jack: Like, find a pimpring, put it on. You put in a pimp room on whatever's your dominant hand. You walk up there and you backhand the living f*** out of her. Make sure there's little blood that Flies out. When you see the blood flow, you're.

Cristina: Like, how is this gonna help the relationship?

Jack: That's for not showering.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And you never hit her again. But you hit her that one time.

Cristina: And you could just say, can you shower a little more?

Jack: Yeah, man. Just go straight up to her and be like, shower like daily by day. You know, Fair enough, fair enough. Daily is an over exaggerated. The real condition for showering, the real medical suggested way of showering is not daily. Unless you've done some physical activity that resulted in sweat or you interacted with something particularly dirty outside. If you are inactive, if you are at home every other day, if you have not sweated or use energy that would naturally excrete things from your body every other day, that is medical fact, look it up.

Cristina: Then you find that medical fact and give it to her.

Jack: And you give it to her. If you. But you do shower every other day, that's at least recommended. You don't want odors and stuff every other day. And obviously before sexual interactions.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because that's not fun.

Cristina: That's not fun.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: Yes. I've been a rule since the beginning. Like, hey, I have this thing every time we have sex before sex, let's take a shower.

Jack: The other one is play her any movie ever made in all of history and just move over to the sex scene. Just fast forward and you tell me what you always see. Give me a second while I freshening up. Freshen up. I will freshen up every f****** movie. You've never in your life heard someone use those words? So we know that movies are fake as f***. But they're at least trying to teach us go freshen the f*** up before you f*** somebody. Yes, they're at least trying to teach you that. So show her that. Show her 30 movies. Make a movie montage of just clips from different movies showing that same scene. Hey, Imma go freshen up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And show her that. Be like we're gonna watch a movie, it's five hours long, get ready babe. And then you put it. And it's just that scene from many, many, many, many, many different movies. And they're always just freshening up. And usually some of these m************ will go take a full fledged shower while some dude is just waiting in their room.

Cristina: No, that he joins her sometimes, sometimes.

Jack: Sometimes the guy's just looking around, snooping in their room and s***. I don't understand how none of these movies have resulted in a f****** guy robbing them and dipping while they're there.

Cristina: That's a beautiful. That would ruin the movie.

Jack: That's, that's, that's the realistic outcome here. You just abandoned the guy. You went to shower. He's over. I mean, you're pretty confidently like, yeah, he knows he's gonna get f*****, so he's not going anywhere. Yeah, but like what if he cares? What if he saw something amazing in your room? He's like, yeah, this is worth way more than the sex. I'm gonna grab that and go.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She can't even hear you leave. She's gonna walk out and be like what's moosing? And not even find out for like a week until she needs it for whatever.

Cristina: She calls the police on you. I don't know what for.

Jack: She doesn't even know something's missing.

Cristina: Someone ran away from me.

Jack: Yeah, like, what's the argument here? He disappeared.

Cristina: He disappeared. Is he alright? I don't. Well, I guess that's, that's a way better solution than pimp slapping her pimp slapper.

Jack: Or just communicate.

Cristina: Or just communicate. Pimp slapping should never be a solution.

Jack: Hey, it gets you your money.

Cristina: There was no money involved in that.

Jack: I mean it gets pimps money. Pimp slapping is a crucial part of pimping.

Cristina: It works for them.

Jack: It works for them. It's part of the system. You accept pimp slaps if you are a being pimped. If you are being pimped.

Cristina: It's in the contract.

Jack: It's in the contract. They sign it and find in the. It's in the fine print. You read all the details and it's like, I get the pimp slap. You with a ring on.

Cristina: They should definitely have contracts for that.

Jack: If they don't like no pimp slaps in this business. Yeah, we disapprove of man. What? See this makes sense because it could be like a hierarchy where like pimps have a boss and they have to abide by the rules because this is a boss employee. Like pimps are the managers essentially. And then the prostitutes are the like labor workers. You got labor workers. You got like the foreman.

Cristina: Now there's a boss and then there's.

Jack: A guy who runs the pimps and so that's the guy who pays the pimps so that the pimps stay in check. Okay, man, we should open a brothel.

Cristina: Why? I don't know.

Jack: I want to be a pimp. That'd be cool. I don't have the pimp slap. It'd just be cool to have a brothel.

Cristina: Aren't those two different things? I don't know.

Jack: I mean, you're pimping people.

Cristina: I guess I don't know the difference. Yes, let's have a brothel.

Jack: Let's have a brothel. Let's open a just conversation brothel.

Cristina: Let's see what the next question is. My girlfriend broke up with me so she can have sex with other men. She didn't do it. Now she wants to get back together. I love her and I don't know what to do. Okay, you can't trust her.

Jack: I don't trust her. I don't trust her. No, no, I don't trust that at all, bro. She. Did she tell you she didn't do it or do you know she didn't do it because like you still lived in the same house or some s*** and she never went out.

Cristina: Well, whether she did it or not is not important.

Jack: Well, no, if that's the part that's bothering him. It is.

Cristina: Okay, but that's the only thing bothering him. And he could just live.

Jack: Yeah, because. Yeah, because here's the argument. This question would have been posed. My girlfriend broke up with me. Now she wants to get back together. I don't know what to do. No, it was crucially important that he mention to f*** other guys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meaning that's where he's bothered.

Cristina: But not that she left.

Jack: Not that she left. It's fine that she left. He's bothered that she might have f***** other guys.

Cristina: Okay, but there's no way to know. So don't do it.

Jack: Don't do it. You don't trust her or give her.

Cristina: A lie detector test if that's going to solve the relationship and then you can be together happily.

Jack: But then look, what if she. This is. This is f******. It gets some mind games. Because what if she cast doubt on the lie detector test and you're like, man, but it's only this much percentage accurate and like. And then you start like spiraling. So you paid a bunch for it and she's like, no. And then she's. She knows she's going to get a f****** line success because you f***** up and you told her ahead of time. So she practiced passing it.

Cristina: Then you get, you hire those detectives that follow her around to see if.

Jack: She'S from f****** the Show. Cheater. You've. Look, bro, I've got your solution. I've got your solution right here. First you go work at a job. You climb the ladder. It might take you years.

Cristina: Is he dating her while this happens?

Jack: No, you take. It might take years. This might be a 20 year project. You can get to the top of that ladder. You start running this company and be bringing in the millions. Then you can use those millions you bring in, and you're going to re. Establish the show cheaters.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You buy a channel, buy the entire cast, put that show. That's the only show on that channel now. You got the channel cheaters. And then you're gonna use your staff to track your ex girlfriend.

Cristina: So this shows.

Jack: And you're gonna find out if she's f****** other guys. And if she's f****** other guys, you don't have to date her.

Cristina: But why can't she be f****** other guys if she's not with you? I mean, that's the whole point. Why is she wrong?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know why. Like the. The problem here. Yeah. This problem doesn't make any f****** sense. Because she did it the right way.

Cristina: She was honest. Yeah.

Jack: She was like, I don't f*** other guys and we're not gonna be together so that I can't do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And whether or not she f***** somebody else doesn't really matter.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But that's the part that bothers him. But now my question is. This is my real question. Are you the first guy she f*****? And thus you wanted to be the only guy she f***** up. And as a result, you're only gonna f***. You're only gonna date somebody who hasn't f***** anybody else. And how do you know? Telling the truth.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or like, I don't even know. There's only one way this f****** goes. Like, I don't get this problem.

Cristina: Really? Yeah. It's not a problem.

Jack: It's not a problem. Like what? What is. Send us another question. What is the problem?

Cristina: The problem would only be, is, I don't know, that she. She breaks up with him in the future to be with other.

Jack: That makes sense. That makes sense. She's. He's scared she'll keep breaking up with him.

Cristina: If you trust her or not. Do you trust her? If you don't tr. Then don't be with her.

Jack: What if she has the sudden urge to f*** people again and thinks, this time I'll go through it with it. Here's the problem. No, here's the problem. You set a precedent already. She did it. And if he takes her back, it's something that could be done and forgiven.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So a behavior could form.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I say if you're not into that notion because now it's a crazy possibility it'll happen again.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Don't do it.

Cristina: Don't do it. No. Or didn't do anything wrong though. But if you're not happy with that situation, just don't do it.

Jack: Yeah. Or go f*** somebody else yourself and say you're even.

Cristina: Okay. Even though she said she didn't. Because then she. Then she's gonna do it, I guess.

Jack: Or I mean, she was honest enough to be like, I only broke up with you to f*** other people and I didn't even do that. Let's get back together. Like, why would now she's gonna lie this far down the road? Like, I don't know where you stand, bro. Your problem is hers.

Cristina: This is a very strange problem.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know. Just don't do it.

Jack: Yeah. Go find somebody else.

Cristina: Yeah. The next question is my pregnant wife cheated on me. I found out in a group chat that she was making excuses about going to do errands just so she can sleep with one of the guys in the shot. I was heartbroken when I confronted her. After she denied it, I showed her the evidence and she confessed she had seen him a couple of months ago. I really want a divorce. I. But now she is pleading for me to stay for our child. What should I do?

Jack: Umm. Why do you need to stay together for your child?

Cristina: How do you know that is your child?

Jack: How do you know it's your child? Interesting.

Cristina: Like you just caught her about to cheat on you. Who knows?

Jack: No, this story is f***** because it was also, my pregnant wife cheated on me. She says it happened months ago.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: So you think you've got the couple of months. That's like two months or less.

Jack: Look, let's look at this. That's two months or more.

Cristina: Oh, a couple.

Jack: Couple different numbers. And nobody literally says a couple.

Cristina: What is she.

Jack: But look, look.

Cristina: The.

Jack: The caliber of difference between the previous question and this one of where these problems land is so monumental. This is ridiculous, bro. There's a high possibility that's not even your kid. I say find out before you get any kind of emotional attachment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If that kind of thing matters. Like if she cheated and she forget. Like, some people don't give a f***, dude. They'll just raise some kid. They're like, whatever, dude. But the question is, is that your kid? Because she was cheating, she hid it. It was months ago. That's the one you found out about.

Cristina: Ow.

Jack: You know, if it was so okay that she wasn't showing a single sign of gu. You f****** didn't register s***. It just came out somewhere else.

Cristina: Although if you. That is your kid, you can still have a divorce and be a father.

Jack: Father. I don't understand how, but I get the fear that fathers have that women kind of suck when it comes to that. And they'll use any weapon they can, including the child, which will f*** the kid up and is totally disrespectful to the father for no f****** reason. Where parents are like, oh, you can't see your son.

Cristina: Yeah, she might be a monster, but don't be a monster too.

Jack: No, you don't have to be monster to your child. If she tries to take your kid away after you've done nothing wrong, you just bury her body somewhere. Nobody will even know she's dead and problem solved. They just think she ran away.

Cristina: That's harsh.

Jack: The best solution is you chop her into tiny little pieces. What about because the problem, a lot of people commit the murder and then one if you're not gonna chop her up, shallow grave is the wrong answer. Never go to a shallow grave. Maybe do the work, maybe don't impulsively kill her. And then to dig the grave, maybe dig a crazy hole like three days early.

Cristina: No one does that.

Jack: And then throw the body in the hole, it's so deep. And then you cover the hole up, nobody will ever find her. But that's last case scenario. If you get a divorce and she tries to take your kid, you don't have to kill her in any other scenario.

Cristina: Only if she tries to extremist.

Jack: Yeah, if she tries to take your kid, you bury her in a really really deep hole. Or you throw her in a pond with an alligator.

Cristina: An alligator? Yeah. Is he just gonna eat her up?

Jack: Eat her up. Beautiful solutions.

Cristina: What about talking?

Jack: That is definitely a solution. I'm saying if you do talk it out, get the divorce, you do your thing and then she tries to keep your kid, you kill her. That's the obvious solution here also find.

Cristina: Out just in case.

Jack: Yeah, find out it's your kid because you also don't want to kill her. And it's not your kid. Because then it's like wow, I just committed murder for some other a******* child. Then you're like way more in s***. Cuz that guy's gonna pop out and be like I'm the dad. And so you don't even have the kid now.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You just a murderer and you don't have a kid. This sounds like it go bad. So like get the test first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before you commit the murder. But also if none of this matters, then who gives a s***. But you are bothered. I don't know what the f. But I don't know what the f*** the problem is either, really. Like, I get it. This kid might not be yours now. Who knows how many times you f****** cheated? You caught her once and she confessed after you confronted her.

Cristina: Yeah, so like, bro, assume one time.

Jack: There could be skeletons for days.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Who knows?

Cristina: So just find out.

Jack: Communication. The problem is she's gonna f****** lie. She was denying it until he showed proof. She can literally not be trusted. Divorce is the answer.

Cristina: And then paternity, then paternity test.

Jack: And if she tries to take your child, than murder. So in that order.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: First divorce, then paternity test, then murder.

Cristina: Harsh.

Jack: But the murder depends on the result of the parenting agreement after the paternity test.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it's not immediately murder, but it's a possibility.

Cristina: Very small.

Jack: Yeah. Don't. Don't close that door though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like it's possible. I do recommend chop them into small pieces. Maybe throw them in a vat of acid that you can make at home. Just Google how to make acid inside your tub. It'll be fine. It won't destroy the tub and it won't destroy the pipes. Easy stuff. But if you're too scared about that. A non shallow grave. Really, really deep. Or an alligator pond.

Cristina: An alligator pond solution. Are there ponds of alligators?

Jack: Depends where he lives.

Cristina: Okay. Because if he doesn't live next to one.

Jack: If you live in Florida, he's got alligators.

Cristina: Yes. Go to Florida. Take her on vacation.

Jack: No. That's a massive fish. You want to kill her while you're with her on vacation?

Cristina: If an alligator eats her. It was an accident. We went there to.

Jack: She got eaten by the alligator. I don't know. She snuck out. Look, this is. Here's what happened. She snuck out in the middle of the night. I was sleeping and she got f****** eaten by an alligator. I know who she was out there to meet. But I already know she goes out to meet people. I can prove that part.

Cristina: Yeah, we were just here for Disney.

Jack: We were. I thought we were here together. But I guess this b****, allegedly here to make up after being a cheating w****, found herself f****** somebody else. She suggested Florida. I didn't.

Jack: She suggested Florida, I didn't. And we came here. And apparently she came here to meet somebody that fed her to the alligators.

Cristina: But then there's a whole mind game of you having to convince her to go to Florida without you, like telling her.

Jack: Interesting, because you gotta get her. But look, this is an easy one. You could strategically place things all over your home that always, like, remind her of Florida. And make sure you always watch things that remind her of Florida. And then one day when she says it, you say, text me about it later, and she'll send you a message about Florida.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could just set it up and then. Murder in Florida. And then you got your alibi with you.

Cristina: There you go.

Jack: But again, this only happens if she tries to take your kid and you want your kid.

Cristina: Yes. Yep. And if you don't, then don't do any of this.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: None of this is.

Jack: You don't have to kill anybody. At least once per each of these episodes, I've suggested murder.

Cristina: Yes. But that's not. That's not a part of the list of good advice that we give. Okay.

Jack: I guess that's the bad advice part.

Cristina: That's the extreme advice. But that's the problem if worse gets to worse.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Murder.

Jack: Murder.

Cristina: The next question is, how do I find out if my crush is gay? I don't have the confidence just to ask, what if she says no and I ruin everything? She has never mentioned anything about past relationships, and I'm not sure how I could naturally slip it into a conversation. And how can I make a move without really making a move so I don't ruin things.

Jack: You won't ruin things just by asking.

Cristina: You shouldn't. That'd be crazy. But if it's. Yeah.

Jack: You don't want to be with this person? If that sets them off in the first place, yes. F***. Just talk. Ask.

Cristina: Just talk.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I guess the first step is just, like, being honest and saying I'm gay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because, I mean, does she tell your friends that maybe.

Jack: Wait, her crush already knows she's gay, though? That's not mentioned here at all.

Cristina: Oh, I don't know.

Jack: Like, she might know.

Cristina: She might know. Okay.

Jack: And you gotta be like, hey, I'm gay for you. No, no, no. You don't have to go that far. Oh, I'm gay. Are you?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or, hey, I've never seen you date anybody. How long ago was the last relation? Just talk about her. Relate. You can f****** peek this out, man. This is not even hard.

Cristina: You can find out what she is without saying you have a crush on her.

Jack: Yeah, just, like, how long was your last relationship? I haven't seen you date anybody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How old was he and she? Oh, no, it wasn't a he. It was a she.

Cristina: But if it's suspicious or she's like, have you ever been with a girl before?

Jack: That is yeah, that's. The approach is very important there. If you're about, like, keeping it hidden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You could do it playfully. It's like, you know, I hate guys. I mean, you should date a girl, then be like, me date a girl?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then maybe she'll be like, yeah, sure. Or like, nah, that's not my thing.

Cristina: And then you never mention it again and your friendship is saved.

Jack: Yeah. God, these problems are so stupid. I bet these are teenagers. Married teenagers.

Cristina: Married teenagers. Yes, all of them.

Jack: All of them.

Cristina: They're 19 years old. Yeah, like, yeah, that's what I want to do when I turn 19. Get married.

Jack: Get married and then not know s***.

Cristina: And then. Yeah.

Jack: Who the f*** knows anything at 19?

Cristina: Who knows anything at any age?

Jack: I know. You're always super dumb when you look back. Yeah, like five years. I'm. I'm 60 now. Five years ago. 55. What an idiot that guy was.

Cristina: Yes, always. These are all 19 year olds, though. Next question. My girlfriend showed a picture of my p**** to her gay cousin. I'm pretty upset about this because it's only intended for her to see. That's why I sent it to her. She thinks it's ridiculous that I'm upset because he's gay, but I'm more upset because it's a massive invasion of my privacy. Do I have the right to be upset or should I just sweep this under the rug?

Jack: No, you definitely have a right to be upset.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Private.

Cristina: Like you said, it's private.

Jack: That's private. I don't know.

Cristina: You're being very reasonable.

Jack: Yeah, you've got the reason here. Everybody else is a f****** idiot, but you've got the reason. This is. It's just. She's definitely evading your privacy.

Cristina: It doesn't matter who she showed it to. Her mom, her sister, her father. It doesn't matter. Don't.

Jack: Had she asked you and then done it different.

Cristina: Yes, the very different.

Jack: Very different. The fact that she did it and didn't ask and it does in fact bother you.

Cristina: It's a huge problem.

Jack: Problem, problem, problem. That is not cool. Now, not to say I would have the same reaction. I'm like, f*** it, show my d*** to everybody. I'm cool with it. I don't give a f***. But you are uncomfortable with it. Yes, that's a problem. I don't know why she did that. That's not cool. This is like. If she's not even giving value to the fact that you're bothered. This is not a relationship you want to be in. Especially if you make this an okay thing by pushing it under the rug, you've set a standard.

Cristina: Yeah. Then you don't know what's gonna happen next time.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So, yeah.

Jack: This is some breakup type of s***.

Cristina: Yep. Yeah, probably.

Jack: No, this is stupid f****** problem.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Like, that's. Not that you're wrong in it. I'm saying that this s*** should not have happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is so dumb for you to.

Cristina: Think of sweeping under the rug. That's a bad way to go. That's. Don't do that.

Jack: Yeah, it's very dumb.

Cristina: That's very dumb.

Jack: Don't be the dumb guy. Be the superior 19 year old out of all these 19 year olds, including the married ones.

Cristina: Yes. Just be upset. It's right. Feel your feelings.

Jack: Yeah. Feel your feelings. On the flip side, do you have nudes of her? Oh. Do you have friends?

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's like revenge.

Jack: Yeah. Oh, and make sure to show Bob or Steve and be like, look, this is what my girlfriend looks like f****** naked. And then let her know, hey, man, Bob really liked that nude picture of you fingering yourself. He thought badass.

Cristina: No, she'll say it's totally different because he. He's. I don't know. I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's the same thing. It's the same thing. She can't say s***. She'll be like, well, it's an invasion. No, it's not.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You shouldn't be uncomfortable that somebody who would clearly be attracted to you saw something you didn't want them to see.

Cristina: Yeah, that's it. Is. Okay. Yeah, that is. That's crazy.

Jack: So, yeah, if you got nudes of her, you either break up with her or you show the homies. Even the odds.

Cristina: You do both. No, fair enough. You do both.

Jack: You can break up with her and show the homies. Double whammy her a**.

Cristina: Double whammy. Ow.

Jack: Yeah, dude, you're in the right. Minus minus the extent of murdering her, because this doesn't apply here. It's kind of a big leap to take for something so small. Minus getting that far. You kind of got free range here.

Cristina: Just. Yeah, but maybe break up with her.

Jack: Don't break up with her and show her nudes to people. She showed one, you show two.

Cristina: I don't know, one upper. Yes, that's it. All right, the next question. Last night, she said her ex's name while we were having sex. She gave some weird excuse as to why. She said, it's a common name and must have heard it recently. I wasn't going to start a big argument with her at that time. It has gotten me worried about why she did that. Do I confront her? Do I start going through her phone? Or am I being paranoid?

Jack: All of the above. All of the minus the going through her phone part. Look, you never invade privacy. You gotta keep a couple of things in mind. One, how long was she with this person?

Cristina: A million years. Yeah.

Jack: If she was with this person a really long time, the fact that she doesn't trip up and accidentally say his name randomly when talking to you, that's amazing. If they were together a crazy long amount of time and she's not randomly tripping up, that's astounding. Now, if it was like they were together for two months and then she said his name while f****** you. There's one of two things happening here. She either just f***** that guy and this was a sort of knee jerk reaction to that. Like in the middle of a.

Cristina: Does that ever happen?

Jack: Or she was thinking of him in her head.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I imagine would be it. And is that wrong there?

Jack: That's the question. Is that wrong? Are you claiming authority over her thoughts? If that's the scenario. Is she not allowed to go anywhere.

Cristina: Else in her head because she's not cheating and she probably has, like, their ex. You're assuming there's more to it, but that's why you need to talk to her.

Jack: Yeah. That's why communication is key here. Because you got to understand if she had sex with her. Exactly. Presumably it wasn't all bad sex. And presumably there was some good encounters in there. In which case some of those moments enter what we call the spank bank.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And things from the spank bank are not up to you to judge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She can retrieve those at any given moment in whatever given order. Because you're f******. The goal is the o***** here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she's gonna pull out whichever f****** card she decided was necessary at the moment to get where she's going. If you're here judging that and she didn't do anything, you're being paranoid and kind of an a******.

Cristina: Yeah, you're being very paranoid.

Jack: And like, yeah, she slipped up and said somebody else's name, but she was in her head somewhere else. Now, if this is a reaction of having been doing something she shouldn't have been doing, well, then f***. But like you said, how often does that even really happen? It's not impossible. There are idiots out there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, like, it's highly unlikely that she's out there flocking him and that's why she said his name. This is some weird paranoid that's like f******. Don't eat the candy that they give you because they don't have razor blades. It's like, not really, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, nobody's out here just poisoning children. Same way nobody's out here just. Then you are. You shouldn't be cheating if this is how bad you are at it.

Cristina: What? Yes.

Jack: You know, like, you clearly every time.

Cristina: You cheat you, I guess you say the ex's name.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: There's no case like that.

Jack: There's no case like this. Some movies made up.

Cristina: This is. Yes. This happens. Has to be. Right.

Jack: Yeah. So ask. Talk about it, confront her about it. And if it's really just happening in her head, like you don't. You don't get to judge her for that. And if it does bother you, then you're the one up and you don't belong in this relationship. If it bothers you, leave the relationship.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Find somebody who's like, you're not allowed to do that as well.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. You'll find out why this bothers you if she's doing nothing wrong.

Jack: Yeah. That's weird, dude. It's a weird thing to be bothered by that they're thinking of somebody they've already f***** up. They've already f***** them. Any good time you've ever had, you're gonna store bro. People you've never even f*****.

Cristina: Erase the memory.

Jack: Yeah, like how people you've never even f***** that you've seen in p*** you put into your spank bank. You've never met these people. And you go in there in your head randomly and you're like, I remember that f****** p*** thing I saw. That's hot. Imma go there for a second and it's like you don't even know them and you're doing that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So when it's with somebody you do know and did enjoy probably more than once, unless it was a f****** one night stand, which is kind of hot. But I guess that's really depending on circumstance and individual. Then you don't really have to judge that there's even. There's a personal connection at that point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So this guy's in the wrong. Yeah. Communicate, Talk about it.

Cristina: Next question.

Jack: Or go somewhere else in your head and find out if it works. Oh, maybe experiment. If it's in her head, don't judge or leave immediately. Find out if it's worth it.

Cristina: Is it worth it?

Jack: Is it worth it? You Go in your head to somebody else while you're f******. Find out if. Holy s***. Wow. This kind of makes it a million times better.

Cristina: Yeah. Or find out that she's like, oh, that's so. That's wrong.

Jack: Yeah, maybe. Maybe she'll be like, that's f***** up. Don't do that.

Cristina: Yep. And then you realize this is wrong. Yeah, you're both wrong. In that case, I guess if she's like, I could do it, but you can't do it.

Jack: Yeah. Then she's a hypocrite.

Cristina: Yes. But yeah, go talk about it. Next question. My girlfriend keeps strutting to kill herself. If we break up, I just want her to kill herself. No, I just. I just don't want her to kill herself. I couldn't live with myself if she actually did it. I can't sleep. I've lost off my confidence. I can't concentrate because this happens every week. I know that I can't continue like this. What should I do?

Jack: See, if she does it, then the.

Cristina: Problem will solve itself.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally okay. All you do is say, her body, her rules, which you've heard before. Now flip it and apply it.

Cristina: In this instance, just tell her parents. Tell someone. You don't have to live with this. You break up with her and then tell someone. Or tell someone before you break up with her and then break up with her so that people are watching.

Jack: Yeah. Be like, I'm gonna break up with your daughter. She said she's gonna kill herself if I do this, so make sure she doesn't do that. Cuz this is out of my hand. Her body, her rules.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Feminism 101.

Cristina: Well, if she's going through some weird mental thing, she should. Someone should be watching.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But get some help.

Jack: Also a girlfriend who threatens to kill herself if they break up. That's a played out story that never leads to suicide. It's a manipulation tactic.

Cristina: Oh, don't trust that.

Jack: Don't trust that. Obviously tell somebody. You don't want to be wrong.

Cristina: In this case, just in case you.

Jack: Don'T want to be like, well, this is some s*** I've heard about before. And then you do. And then like she was really depressed and kills herself. Like you don't want to be that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, it's probably not that situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like a good 99 out of 100 times. This is a waste of your time and a manipulation tactic to keep you around.

Cristina: Yeah, that's usually what it is.

Jack: Yeah. Now that 1% does exist. I'm sure.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Don't let that be you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you just tell them, like, look, she's been saying crazy s***. I think she's just a crazy b****. Your daughter's a psychopath. But if she's really going through some s***, I'm telling you ahead of time, eyes open.

Cristina: Yes. Just. Yes. Communication.

Jack: Communication. But definitely let it play out. Why not? Maybe she does kill herself. That's crazy.

Cristina: But you know you can't live like this.

Jack: Yeah. Either she kills herself for you, dude. The f***?

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Always survival, bro. You over her?

Cristina: Well, next question. I cried in front of my girlfriend last night. It wasn't about a relationship. It was about a struggle in life that I was experiencing. Today I woke up and thought about it. Did I just show how weak I was and that I don't know how to man up? I'm so stuck on the guys shouldn't be crying rule. Now that I did, I feel a bit insecure about it.

Jack: All right, let's go down all the basics. You're p**** for the way you think. Not because you cried, but because you're bothered that you cried. That's the b**** in you.

Cristina: That's the b**** in you.

Jack: The crying. That's just some s*** that happens.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: Yeah, the crying about crying. That's the b**** in you.

Cristina: Guys shouldn't be crying.

Jack: You didn't show her weakness in crying. You showed us weakness in questioning your crying. Yes. You're weak and particularly pathetic because your questions are there like this too many. But they're all f****** stupid.

Cristina: They're all ancient too.

Jack: Yeah. It's dumb s***. Like, you're the p****. You're a p**** because you're questioning you having cried. That's where you became a sissy. The crying. Own it. Be like, yeah, s*** happens.

Cristina: The f*** yeah.

Jack: But being like, I cried in front of her, now I'm a b****. Yeah, because you're b******* about having cried in front of her.

Cristina: Yeah. She probably thought it was just like.

Jack: It'S a human moment.

Cristina: Yeah. Like normal.

Jack: So, yeah, you your typical machista douchebag. And when they come for all the males, you're one of them that they're coming for all the people, the feminists that hate guys.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And they hate stereotypic, toxic masculinity bullshit. And this is that toxic masculinity bullshit. If guys shouldn't cry, it's like, yeah, they're coming for you, bro. You're gonna get canceled.

Cristina: Gonna get canceled.

Jack: Yeah. So the solution to your problem is you're Gonna get canceled.

Cristina: Yes. But to you, the answer of your question, I guess, is that you did not show her weakness.

Jack: No, you showed us weakness.

Cristina: Yes. You showed us weakness with us.

Jack: Yes. The fact that this is even a problem you're experiencing shows you've got some of that toxic masculinity running through your veins.

Cristina: But before this moment, you were perfectly fine.

Jack: Yeah. You were a cool dude. Till now that we know you're not a cool dude.

Cristina: Yep, now we know.

Jack: So unless you get rid of that bug inside you, they're coming for you.

Cristina: And how does he do that? Communication will solve that. Or will it?

Jack: I guess that's what he did right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's like, man, am I supposed to feel like this? I guess the answer to your question is no, you shouldn't feel like this. You're fine.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I guess you had communication with us, and we helped you go through this. And there you go.

Jack: Yeah. So if you still have the problem after this moment, you remain a p****.

Cristina: Yes. But since if you heard us and you actually took our words, right. And you're in his 100% or what is it, 0 to 100?

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That if he takes it, then. Oh, I guess if he doesn't take it. Yeah, if you're still. Fair. Fair enough. So if you're in the 100% to take the advice, you. You became better, and you're no longer a p**** and not a good p****. Because p****** are generally very strong. They can take giant things going in. They can push out a whole human. You know, p****** are very strong. You're the 1980s friend pointing at you and calling you a p****. Kind of p****.

Cristina: That p**** you are.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz right now p**** is just like, well, empowerment.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But no, it's like, when I say somebody's gay, I don't mean homosexual. Homosexuals are cool. I love homos.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, like, 1980s point and be like, wow, you're a sissy.

Cristina: You're a sissy. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is p**** also.

Jack: Those are the same word? Yeah, they mean the same s***. They're synonymous.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: 1980S faggy, gay. H***, not h***. F**. I mean, I guess even h***. D***. It got sketchy, didn't it? Because it would even mention the. It doesn't matter. Every word meant the same thing. You're not even thinking homosexual. Like, look at this h***. And they're not even talking about anything gay. It's like, man, that hurt. Look at this h***. It's like, there's nothing gay there but, like, PC culture, bro. They took everything. They're like, that's offensive. It's not even the people who are in the thing you're talking about. It's the people who think those people should get angry.

Cristina: What if they are? How do you know?

Jack: Because I know a bunch of these people. They don't give a f***. Yeah, my personal gay friends. I am so disrespectful in person.

Cristina: And you ask them all the time, is this offensive?

Jack: Yeah, they don't give a s***. They're also jerks.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Cool, cool. Next question. My little sister's boyfriend is lying to her. I dated my sister's current boyfriend like a year ago. No one knew that because he wasn't ready to come out. He told me he was gay. He dates a lot of girls so no one would suspect him of being gay. Now he's dating my little sister. I don't want to out the guy, but I also don't want him to hurt my little sister. If he truly has no feelings for her, it's not my place to tell her, but I also have to protect her. What should I do?

Jack: Out him.

Cristina: Out him?

Jack: Yeah, because he's out here destroying f****** people because he's a douchebag who's scared that fear is about him and it shouldn't be about anybody else.

Cristina: That's true. He's making it about him dating any women.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: If he doesn't want to be gay, like, then don't date anyone.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Why involved anyone in this bullshit he's.

Jack: Doing is exactly that. It's bullshit out of. F*** him. He wants to f*** with people.

Cristina: You f*** with him because what he's doing isn't right to all these women.

Jack: Yeah, he's a douchebag. He's being a s***** person. So you could be a s***** person. Back out him. Be like, f*** you, bro. You over here f****** just dating people when you're gay. Now the question is, does he know for a fact? It always comes back to that. Does he know for a fact? He saw it like, that guy came out to him.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's what he said. He came out to him and that's why they were doing stuff together.

Jack: He's gay?

Cristina: Yeah. The guy who's talking about his little sister.

Jack: Oh, s***. Yeah. Adam, look, I get that you're gay too and you're trying to hold on to the secret. Nah, dude. F*** him. Him, him, him, him.

Cristina: You shouldn't have seen what he was doing in the Past. That's a good thing. Now that your sister is trapped in that, you're, like, excusing his behavior, but his behavior was wrong in the way before.

Jack: You were a s***** person before, and now it's literally your fault this is happening.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were like, yeah, dude. Do you. And now he's doing him, but to your sister.

Cristina: Yes. And now you're like. You're. You're still questioning. I don't know. It's. It's not right.

Jack: It's not right. Like, it's a s***** moment to start making a move, but better late than ever.

Cristina: Yeah. So just do the right thing.

Jack: Do the right thing. Rat on him.

Cristina: Rat on him.

Jack: Be like, that guy's gay. He's gay. As he'd be doing the gay s***. I f***** that guy. I f*** your boyfriend.

Cristina: Oh, he loved the D. And then.

Jack: She'S gonna be like, liar. Be like, this is me f****** him in a photo.

Cristina: And he was a camera.

Jack: And. Yeah.

Cristina: A video.

Jack: The video of this happening. It's.

Cristina: Is.

Jack: So I heard about this one guy whose girlfriend showed a picture of his d*** and show it to me. I guess he's here. This funny story. I was once shown the d*** of a random other guy by a friend of mine, and that told me I should probably save a photo of me f****** this guy who seems to play chicks in case I ever need to blackmail him. And then he ended up with you. So here's a photo of me f****** him thanks to that guy whose girlfriend showed pictures. And I was like, that's f***** up.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Proof. And that's the story of how that guy got saved by some chick showing some other guy's d*** to him.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: What if there's this? What? Who knows, right? Like, what if they're f******? Yeah.

Cristina: Who knows how many people who listen know the other listeners?

Jack: Yeah. Like, I'm sure somebody told somebody.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then they listen. They're like, oh, s***, I'm gonna submit a question. So. Yeah, me too.

Cristina: Then they find out, after we give the answers, that we're relating to these to each other. And they're like, hey, wait, that sounds familiar.

Jack: And he's like, oh, so that's where that lady's body is. Oh, that's how they solve the murder.

Cristina: Yes. And that's how they saw.

Jack: That's how they solved the murder. The case begins and ends with the Just Conversation podcast.

Cristina: Yes. Our heroes or the villain?

Jack: I mean, look, we're giving advice. We're not telling you to do anything. We don't condone murder, but if you needed to solve a problem, murder could solve a problem. I am not saying kill anybody. No, it's the same as when somebody's like, what is your opinion on drugs? I'm like, do heroin. That's fine. But also, I don't condone doing heroin. I don't really want you to do heroin, but if you were so inclined to do heroin, you could go do heroin, because your body, your rules. Also don't do heroin. It's really, really bad. But if you wanted to do heroin, it's not my problem.

Cristina: Yes. Just don't blame me.

Jack: Don't blame me. Yeah, I am mentioning ideas. I'm thinking out loud.

Cristina: Exactly. Anything we say you do, that's on you.

Jack: Yeah, this is just a conversation.

Cristina: Yep. Yep. That's exactly. That's what it's called. That's our.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Alibi right there.

Jack: That's our alibi. This is just a conversation. I'm not telling you to do s***. This isn't the we tell you to do stuff podcast. Yeah, we're host Jack and Chrissy where we tell you to do stuff. No, we tell you.

Cristina: I feel like we have told them to do things.

Jack: The only thing I tell them to do is things.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: That's the only thing I tell you to do. Kidnap somebody and force them to listen. No criminal activity of murder me. I mean, their kids are in danger.

Cristina: But kidnapping is a criminal activity.

Jack: Depends who you're asking.

Cristina: Depends on who I'm asking.

Jack: Look at it like this. Does Epstein think it's illegal? Ah, you see? There's already people with different perspectives.

Cristina: Okay, that's awful.

Jack: Okay, the conclusion is I clearly side with Epstein or something.

Cristina: You don't even know.

Jack: I don't even. I don't know that guy. And he kidnapped children. How does that. I want his relationship questions. Epstein, get an A. Ouija board. Or go to somewhere where there's an Ouija board.

Cristina: Needs to get the Ouija board, and.

Jack: Then he'll tell us his questions through the Ouija board.

Cristina: Yeah, we gotta summon him somehow. I can.

Jack: We can do that. We can summon Epstein.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, we gotta find. We make a list of random people we're gonna contact because he will be one of them. But who else is gonna be on that list?

Jack: George Carlin.

Cristina: George Carlin. That's very random.

Jack: Okay, man. I just want to talk to him.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Yes. We'll make this list, and we'll do it on this podcast.

Jack: I wonder if anybody ever tried to conjure George Carlin.

Cristina: I don't know. That's really random. His family. Some random family. Maybe he had one, like, stalker fan who tried to contact him afterwards.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: But. Wow. That should be maybe a Halloween episode. I don't know.

Jack: Where we conjure a bunch of dead people and ask them questions. Yeah, a Halloween questions episode. Interesting. Well, we'll conjure up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For Halloween.

Cristina: Yes. Get a Ouija board. Make one. We can make one, right? We can just draw it on something.

Jack: Man, it's weird that you could just buy an Ouija board at, like, a game store.

Cristina: Yeah. What? And they use movies to advertise them.

Jack: Like, if you find an a Ouija board that looks made of cloth in an abandoned house. That's a real Luigi board. F*** that thing. Yeah, but if you, like, go buy one, like, that's a novelty item.

Cristina: What's the difference of the two?

Jack: I don't know. One of them got magic put in them, I guess.

Cristina: Oh, wait, you gotta put in magic?

Jack: Dude, there's no way an AI board you bought at f****** Barnes and Nobles works.

Cristina: Well, I guess you put in the magic right?

Jack: By f******, like, hopes and dreams.

Cristina: Yeah, fair enough. Like, who the f*** know how magic works?

Jack: Okay, Anyways, we're running out of time. We can't continue answering any of these questions.

Cristina: Hope you have a great valentine.

Jack: Yeah. But hopefully this helps a bunch of you people. And yes, I mean that in the most offensive way. You people. Help you people. You f****** people get your s*** together and solve your life problems. There were an absorbent amount of questions there that we didn't get to.

Cristina: I know, that's so sad.

Jack: But look, problem is the same. I don't even need to read your f******. Look, guys, communicate.

Cristina: Communicate.

Jack: And don't be with anybody you don't trust.

Cristina: Yes, that's number two.

Jack: And finally, all else fails, murder. So, look, bro, this is how we're solving this. Communicate Rules. These are the rules of a relationship. Communicate first. First of all, number one, communicate. Number two, do not be with somebody you don't trust. You're infatuated. You don't actually love them if you don't trust them. And three, murder solves a small percentage of problems. Consider it a last resort. That is our advice for you guys.

Cristina: That's really good advice.

Jack: Communication. Don't be with people you don't trust. And sometimes murder.

Cristina: Mm. The end, the end, the end.

Jack: Now, there are other episodes with questions of this nature.

Cristina: Yeah, this is part three, I think.

Jack: Part three. Or four, I don't even know. There's f****** others of these. So you can find those and many other different things on. You can find all those things on the Official website@graythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcasts.

Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok. Uscombopod.

Jack: Yes. And remember to subscribe. You can get your partner, get them to listen to the question being answered. If you're too scared to engage in dialogue, tell them about the show and be like, hey, we're gonna subscribe to this show and we're gonna rate this show and we're gonna review this show. But I'll tell you why as we listen to this episode. And then the question shows up and you're like, that's why I have to kill you. Because what if that guy decides to show her? And she's like, why are we in Florida? And it's like, well, we're gonna listen to this podcast here in front of this pond.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In front of this alligator pond. We're gonna show you this podcast and you're gonna. We're gonna enjoy it.

Cristina: They're on a picnic. He's giving her something. Wine.

Jack: Yeah, there's something in that wine. They get to the part and she's like, what the f*** is that an alligator pond? And then she looks back at you and you just got that smug look. Like, check. Like Kira on f****** Death Note. She's like, I win.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: He's also eating chips.

Jack: He's eating chips. I'll grab a chip and I'll eat it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you scream that to her. She won't even know what it is. You'll know. And that's what matters.

Cristina: Yes. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Powerful.

Cristina: You can tell everyone how we saved.

Jack: Your relationship or how we are totally unrelated to the murder.

Cristina: Yes. That's awesome.

Jack: That's very important. Be like, I don't know where I got it. It wasn't them.

Cristina: It wasn't them.

Jack: Wasn't them. We don't. We don't condone murder.

Cristina: Nope. Just a conversation.

Jack: Just a conversation. Brainstorming solutions.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: That's all it is.

Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Byee. Yeah, that's fascinating. So we have Atheos, the God of total balance. And he's detached. He is the realest of real gods. He's the only God that makes sense, made everything, took a back seat and he's like, I don't really care. Good and evil are the same s***. Just be true.

Cristina: Okay. And then there's Spaghetti Monster.

Jack: Yes, there's a Flying Spaghetti Monster, which is the God of reason, rationale, logic, what makes sense. Then there's the God of Chaos, basically Pepe, which is basically, like, who the Joker would worship.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Be random, be unpredictable, be chaotic, but have fun the whole way. And then we have Shaggy, the God of destruction, for we have Atheos. Thus, there must be a Shaggy. Just while there is a God of reason, there must be a God of Chaos. Kick versus the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They maintain order. Yeah, because one is order and the.

Cristina: Other one is chaos.

Jack: Yes. Not Thanos.

Cristina: Thanos.

Jack: Ethiosis. To Shaggy. What the Flying Spaghetti Monster is to Keck.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

Rambling 118: The Shadow Realm

The Just Conversation Podcast, The Shadow Realm, Comedy, Funny, Fringe, Jinns, Shadow People, Just Conversation, Weird, Ghosts, Monsters, REalms, Dimensions

Where do shadow people come from? And do we have access to their world? Unpacking the nature of the Shadow Realm and its inhabitants on this exciting episode!

Story:
Following the discoveries and sacrifices of Groundhog Day, the duo embarks on a quest to understand the creatures formerly known as shadow people, now identified as Jinns. As all the investigative research the duo has done over the years seems to point in the same direction, an entirely new realm reveals itself as the source of most fringe activity.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

  • Jinns
  • Adrenochrome
  • Genetic Mutations
  • Dimensions
  • Angels & Demons
  • Shadow Realm
  • Limbo
  • Chupacabra
  • Werewolves
  • Powerful Emotions
  • Groundhog Day
  • Sasquatch
  • Reapers

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+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to Just Conversation, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas in childish ways. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And if you haven't yet, remember to hit that subscribe button to get notified the second new episodes are released.

Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.

Jack: Yes. So be sure to go find people, tell them, hey, listen to the show. Listen to the show with me. Hey, people. You. Yeah, person. Can you listen to the show with me?

Cristina: As long as they say the whole name of the show, yes.

Jack: You gotta say, listen to the Just Conversation podcast with me. Listen to the Just a Conversation. A podcast with me. And then slowly you migrate into a weird, ambiguous accent that doesn't make sense as you follow them through the streets of New York City or wherever you live until they listen because there's no option. And then they will, because you followed them all the way home, asking, they got on the train. You got on the train. They got off the train in a bus. You got off the train in that same bus. They got out of that bus, called the cops, and waited for the cops in the corner. The cop happened to be your friend.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And now you're both there telling them to listen to the show.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They'll listen to the show because they're scared that the cops are going to shoot them.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know. It might have been black. Because this is America. Oh, wait, that doesn't happen under Biden anymore, right? That was, like, years ago or something. We're in the future. That doesn't happen anymore. Anyways. Talking about the future. Talking about them New Year's resolutions in life. So, yeah, look. Last time on Dragon Ball Z. Last time on Just Conversation. And then, like, some sound that tells you we're flashing back. I don't know who chose that sound, but it's always the same sound.

Cristina: Oh, that'd be amazing to have.

Jack: Yeah. Last time on Just Conversation. Wait, how do we do this? How do we do this? We just gotta say a bunch of stuff that happened. We talked about groundhogs and shadow people and. Okay, Last time on Just Conversation. The shadow people are gonna bite our heads off.

Cristina: The groundhog is gonna look at its shadow and its shadow is gonna communicate with it.

Jack: Shadows can walk on all fours.

Cristina: Beavers, the winter solstice.

Jack: It's spring equinox.

Cristina: Zombies. Aliens.

Jack: Christ, the church. Adrenochrome.

Cristina: A lot of blood. Just so much blood.

Jack: Ghosts and djinns.

Cristina: I don't know. I have no words. And the words.

Jack: The exciting conclusion on this episode of Just Conversation. Okay, now that we got that out of the way. So, as you heard in our exciting recap of what happened last time on Just Conversation, we were talking about Groundhog Day, which led us through this weird vortex of other things that apparently all connected and we never saw the strings connected them in the first place. Which is completely astounding because who the h*** knew that everything is all and all is everything? I guess whoever created the hermetic principles knew it.

Cristina: He knew everything is all and all is everything.

Jack: Yeah, he knew. He knew. He could have told us.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: He could have been like this. Is that like. Nah, I don't believe you.

Cristina: This shadow, is that alien?

Jack: Yeah, it's all the same thing. What? No, it's not. And like it turned out to be. So a clearer recap is that groundhogs get given adrenochrome, or a specific groundhog gets given adrenochrome. And that groundhog became a super intelligent human level intellect creature that is immortal. At least consciously immortal. Its physical body will eventually die, although its physical life has been elongated significantly. It could live hundreds of thousands of years for all we know.

Cristina: Thanks to that adrenochrome.

Jack: Thanks to that adrenochrome. And he belongs to a group, a club that has many people who take adrenochrome and give it to many animals. They all get abilities and help society or people or cults in some manner, shape or form. Who knows? They help somebody. Either that or the church made up all of this, which is definitely a possibility. But let's ignore that possibility. Anyways, chasing this information deeper, I have uncovered the doors to the truth.

Cristina: You found the truth?

Jack: Well, I found a bunch of crap. I don't know whether it's true or not, but in diving deeper in looking into this, in trying to comprehend the true wokeness. About what? Because we. We established that humans that take adrenochrome become temporary vampires until the day that their body dies. And then they become djinns in the afterlife, which isn't really the afterlife, but rather this plane of existence in some other kind of way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, anybody who takes it gets special abilities, lives a very long time and whatnot. Humans become this thing called a djinn. That's kind of like a shadow person. Now I started following the shadow person trail down the yellow brick road.

Cristina: More info than I got.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Yeah, about the yellow brick road.

Cristina: Is that related to the shadow field?

Jack: Anyways, I started following the trail, questioning, finding creatures, murdering creatures, and then asking questions. I kill first, I ask questions later. Okay, but they're immortal anyways, so I kill them, they become their ethereal version. And then I question that. Oh, makes perfect sense, right? I went to the subhumans, the sub humans created for me using their extremely excessive advanced brain power that I don't know why they haven't used it to overthrow us yet, but whatever. And they made me a basically Ghostbusters esque bottle that we've been calling the genie bottle.

Cristina: And you've been catching shadow people?

Jack: I've been murdering anybody who's had adrenochrome, turning them into a shadow person, but having the bottle to catch them in.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And so now they're trapped in those bottles and I don't let them out, but I can destroy them in there, so they have to tell me. And I've learned a couple of things. I've learned many things about shadow people.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Well, a couple of things. First of all, when you are a shadow person or a shadow being, let's use that term, because to say shadow person entails something very specific. When there is a multitude of bullshit that can take adrenochrome and become a creature that later becomes an ethereal version of itself. And so any creature that takes adrenochrome becomes a sort of shadow creature, crosses over after their body is deceased. And there is usually goes in three stages. They have their normal born form.

Cristina: Yeah, they're the human.

Jack: The human hyped up that we were talking about before and previously on Dragon Ball Z. So just go back and listen to that if you haven't caught up. And when you do, you know what we're talking about.

Jack: Anyways, so we know that there's stages. What we're wrong is about how the stages work. It seems like everything has the same three stages. You have your born form, you become a different thing. When you have adrenochrome, your life is extended dramatically, which from the perspective of the average person seems like immortality. You're mortal, just not physically. You are given in many cases, incredibly heightened intellect, but not in all cases.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Really. That blew my mind. Your intellect does not skyrocket in every case. In most cases it does.

Cristina: You mean like from case to case are like all humans skyrocket or they're all.

Jack: Yeah, it depends entirely on how your DNA behaves. Okay, to the adrenochrome. Because adrenochrome is not just blood and adrenaline, but there is DNA in that blood. And how this functions is. It's got to become part of your body. You have to digest this. And so it alters the bodies of everything, everything differently. So the abilities that every creature has is completely different. The development they have is completely different. Although there's common strings that show. It seems like in every case your life is extended.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It doesn't seem to be in a situation which that's not the case.

Cristina: You haven't seen anything like that or heard, I guess, told of anything like that. Yeah.

Jack: But the intellect seems to vary depending. And that sort of leads to what we were trying to figure out before. About whether what? Like what guides something to be feral in the first place? Place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yes, if you have adrenochrome and then you stop having adrenochrome, you can get feral. But some creatures will immediately become feral, feral off of the adrenochrome. And this leads to some of the creatures we understand as mythical creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they were simply a normal creature that took. It became this immortal being is already feral. So without it doesn't make a difference because you're already feral. So they don't need it. They don't go for it. Although anytime they kill anybody who's horrified, they still get it anyways.

Cristina: Yes. So feral, like a raccoon or something.

Jack: Pharaoh, like a crazy demon hound that just wants to kill and eat. So there are stories of these creatures spread out throughout folklores. Different religions, different belief systems, different ideologies of all sorts. People who believe in all numbers of things, and they take many different shapes and forms, and we've discussed many of them previously. So again, another reason for you guys to go back and check out previous episodes. Things like the Chupacabra.

Cristina: And what is the chupacabra? Originally, it's a coyote. Coyote.

Jack: Something that would hang out in desert, like, areas mainly.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That somehow took adrenochrome. And here's. This is the other problem. You don't have to give an animal adrenochrome for an animal to get adrenochrome.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Adrenochrome is just blood with high doses of adrenaline. If a person strays out into the desert, a hungry coyote is out there. They're not thinking adrenochrome, but they f****** kill a guy. But that guy trying to survive for that time, adrenaline floods their whole system.

Cristina: So just by eating that person, despite.

Jack: That person, they've consumed adrenochrome. Adrenochrome lands in their body and it changes them. And it changes them.

Cristina: Whaa.

Jack: Now, the reason this doesn't happen so often is because it needs to be a particularly high dose of it. But occasionally that dose does happen and then the mutation takes place, because that is what it is. It's a mutation, a genetic mutation that takes place. In the case of humans, it's particularly difficult to get the mutation to happen unless you have brutally high doses of adrenochrome. And it seems that the DNA that creates adrenochrome is primarily human DNA. You can get it from other sources, but you need so much of it.

Cristina: So you need. So just a living creature eating a human? Pretty much, yes. Is good enough.

Jack: It would have. It's not just any human.

Cristina: Not any human.

Jack: Somebody who produced a lot of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So just random cases of somebody dying. They might have not produced enough. They could have been horrified and scared, but it wasn't enough. It needs to be a crazy high dose.

Cristina: And what are some of these special adrenochrome creatures?

Jack: Well, primarily the. What we were already talking about, which is, for example, the Chupacabra is just a coyote. We can attribute this to being in the desert, people wandering off, getting lost, being in the territory of f****** coyotes, which are essentially wolves of a type.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the f****** coyote, you know, it does whatever. F***. It's nature. It's going to do whatever the f*** it's going to do. Then it's a person. Occasionally they come across the right person that has a huge dose of adrenaline as they try to survive and then.

Cristina: They turn into the chupacabra and then they crave blood.

Jack: They don't crave blood necessarily. They're just a mutated feral creature. They are faster, they are stronger, they are more agile, and they consume food differently because of the mutation. This is what leads us to believe they drain creatures of blood. They probably do. But it's not like they're looking for adrenochrome necessarily. It's not that they're actively seeking blood. This is just their method of feeding.

Cristina: You don't think they're all looking for blood?

Jack: I don't think they're looking for blood for the reasons we attribute.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think it's just a creature feeding.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I don't think they have any special value other than survive.

Cristina: Yeah. Although if they were looking for adrenochrome, that's what's keeping them alive. Or does just whatever they're eating, keep them alive.

Jack: Then again, maybe they attack enough animals. Because we hear stories of the Chupacabra clearing out entire fields.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In one night. So my cows are fine one night, the next night all my cows are dead. They're drained of blood. Maybe it was just looking for the high dose that it needed to get. Because it's not humans. It needs to get a f*** ton of it.

Cristina: Yeah. Because if it's an adrenochrome thirsty creature, then it's looking for fear of blood. And maybe the animals aren't scared of it like they would be normally.

Jack: But the, the reasoning here is that it's not necessarily looking for adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's no reason for it to. And some of these other cases are going to be the example of it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: While some of these are gonna support that argument, the Chupacabra, when we're trying to decide what turns into what when they become their ethereal shadow version. Which is which I should probably specify. The shadow creatures are a sort of energy type. I've been calling it a frequency. The best way to describe it is that the shadow realm is a physical, non physical space. It's a place you can go to.

Cristina: Physically, but you can't physically.

Jack: Sort of kind of it's way.

Cristina: Only these creatures can go there.

Jack: Not necessarily. So the shadow realm, which is what we will title it, is a sort of frequency in that it's a different state of being. Nothing there is dead. There's nothing there that's dead. It is just a different type of thing. If we think of the difference between like an angel, a human. Like an angel isn't dead. It was just born in a different state or something.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: The same idea would apply to a shadow person. You're sort of going into a different state of being. The best way to think about it is one. Oh, what is it? 100.3 the radio station and then 89.5 the radio station. You can't hear both of them at the same time. Not on one radio. But you can hear both of them on one radio.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just not at the same time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a frequency that you got to tune into to get there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The same way we kind of exist at this frequency where photons create visuals that are processed by a brain and whatnot. There's a different state of being that functions completely different. The laws of physics there work.

Cristina: Completely different laws of physics.

Jack: Yes. Because it is a different state of being.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is a different frequency that doesn't apply. So the best way to think about it is similar to a pocket universe that sort of exists within the same space. It's kind of like that, except it's more of a parallel universe.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's stacked on top.

Cristina: That's weird. Remember when we were talking about ghosts and how it could be the past or the present? Does that relate somehow?

Jack: Not necessarily, no. Because ghosts are happening actively in our own version of reality.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: At our own frequency. A ghost is happening at our own frequency, just at a different time.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: While that is taking place at a different frequency entirely, another way to think about this would be to say what does your soul look like?

Cristina: What does my soul look like?

Jack: Yeah, your soul's there. It's your consciousness or it's your spirit or it's something.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Yeah, but it's sort of doesn't exist at this frequency. Where is your spirit?

Cristina: Are you saying it's in the shadow realm?

Jack: Your spirit is in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Doing what?

Jack: It's connected to this side. Your movements here appear faded and translucent.

Cristina: Over there.

Jack: Over there?

Cristina: Well, the things over there look faded. Over here.

Jack: Over here.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Well, we see as shadows over here are figures that exist on that side and vice versa.

Cristina: So those aren't different creatures. Those aren't the deaths of the creatures that are here.

Jack: Those are the physical release of the creatures that are here so that they take primary existence over there. But what we see doesn't stop them from existing over here. And the same way think of dimensions you exist in the second as a shadow, a literal shadow, not shadow people from this other dimension that we're called. But like when light is cast on you, there's a two dimensional cast on the ground.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That is a shadow. That is a two dimensional representation of yourself. Yes, that is still you. Anything you do, it does. But a two dimensional render in the fourth dimension. Your entire timeline exists, but right now you're just a moment of that timeline. Yes, that's still you. And the movements that's making. You're showing a reflection of, this same universe stacked on top is you're behaving the same way over there, except you're not influencing anything over there. Now that does not mean you couldn't influence anything over there if you didn't if you wanted to.

Cristina: How? What do you mean?

Jack: There are many, many, many, many ways to get there.

Cristina: But we're over there. But we can go, go over there too.

Jack: You can manifest control on that side. You have to think of it like this. If you remember the perceptual layout. Yeah, you're at all times one and the other one is the other.

Cristina: Okay. So you're pretty much taking control of that version of you. It's not really you physically going over there.

Jack: Well, it is physically you. I'm using that as an example because the. The perceptual layout is two different beings, but in a different. We gotta assume you and your subconscious is totally different than you and your shadow form. Those are two different things. You are your shadow form.

Cristina: Yes, but I can meet up with my shadow form in the shadow realm.

Jack: You could release control on this side and take control on that side, but you can never control both at once.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some people say that they astral project.

Cristina: Okay, that's what I was thinking of. Okay.

Jack: And the place they wander. The reason that they can't interact with anything here, but they can't interact with things is because they're interacting on that.

Cristina: Side and it looks like this side.

Jack: Yes. This is where we enter a little more nuanced detail about what the shadow realm even is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It looks like the shadow realm. The shadow, I guess. Yeah, shadow realm. We'll call it the shadow realm. And then this is the physical realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the shadow realm and the physical realm seem to have been created simultaneously. They've existed since one, the other always. They came paired. Just like whoever made the hermetic principles. Duality took place in the creation of our understanding of the universe. And so the universe we're stacked on top of is the shadow realm. Now we exist on both. And I use universe loosely because universe would be different people, it would be different beings that have nothing to do with you. It's a different universe, but it's.

Cristina: It is you.

Jack: No, I use the term universe loosely. Realm would be the most accurate representation. But using the term universe might help science minded people understand it better. Yes. So realm is the most accurate word because you exist in all realms simultaneously, similar to how you exist in all dimensions, except all dimensions are part of a single universe. Universe.

Cristina: What are.

Jack: All realms are different from one another and don't necessarily exist within the same physical spaces. I guess we could think of vertical axis is dimensions, second dimension, third dimension, fourth dimension, fifth, so on and so forth. Realms we would put in a horizontal axis. So there is a fourth dimension to a shadow person.

Cristina: Okay, that's. But is that fourth, is that related to you?

Jack: That's you. The fourth dimensional shadow you is equal to the fourth dimensional you.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. Now you can never be both simultaneously in control and you appear as you. Now, it seems to be that you're stuck on one unless you're in the other. Always so ways that people get there as they're projecting. When monks are discussing sort of using their mind to take apart reality, they're affecting the other side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And this is a duality that you permanently exist in. Now, when your physical body dies, you have nothing to come to this side and hold on to.

Cristina: So you go to that side.

Jack: You primarily exist over there.

Cristina: Okay. But you can still pop up here.

Jack: You can. Yeah. You show up as the shadow that you'd be. Yeah, as the. And you can influence things over here the same way you can influence things over there. But when you're on this side, your influence over there is ethereal and ghost. Like you aren't physically fully there. You could f*** with s*** on that side the way a ghost f**** with s*** on this side. Like you could. Ghost is a loose term, but spirits, demons and crap. Let's say a demon is on that other side and it comes to f*** with you and it's showing up in the middle of the night and you got sleep paralysis and it's just there watching you and scaring you and stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You could do that over there. You won't physically fully be there, but you could interact with things.

Cristina: You won't fully be there.

Jack: Somebody could pass their hand through you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they can't really make out how you look. Exactly.

Cristina: But there are things that are there that are physical.

Jack: Yes. And the people who are on that side who take adrenochrome and become the vessel that can then cross over, are fully there. And they were on this side fully. Basically, when you die here, you technically also die over there.

Cristina: Okay? What?

Jack: That's exactly how it goes. You will cease to exist on both sides because they're equal.

Cristina: But this shadow version of you still exists.

Jack: Yes, but your physical body ceases to exist. So there's nothing in the physical realm that can contain you. But you've. You have in fact achieved immortality. Yes, that is without a question. So your body dies because your body cannot be immortal. But you as a being have achieved immortality. And in the shadow realm, you don't have a physical presence per se. It's different. It is something. But it's not this physical presence.

Cristina: It's a. Some. But it's not some type of physical presence.

Jack: No, it's some type of something physical is only in the physical world. That only exists in the. That's the importance of that name is only the physical Realm has physical things. Yes, There's a space to travel. And that universe looking thing is infinite and it has structures and places to enter. But physical is the wrong word because it's not. The creatures on the other side have achieved pure immortality, but their bodies cannot. So they just exist on that side. Your existence is fully over there. You should have died. Because we're primarily over here a lot of time. And the creatures that are over there can influence over here, but when they die over there, they cease to exist. But you've achieved immortality that some of them don't even have because they're.

Cristina: They still need adrenochrome to live forever. Like we.

Jack: The creatures that are of that plane naturally and purely, that seem like ghosts to us, but they were born on that side, don't need adrenochrome, they're just gonna die. I guess if they could get a hold of adrenochrome, but they should, they would have to know about adrenal chrome.

Cristina: In the first place. So they can die.

Jack: They can still die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is a whole different thing, but very similar. It's again equal, but different. Equal but opposite. And so there is that. That's really what's going on. You achieve an immortality, your body dies, you can cross over, but your body can't cross over because your body will wither away. There's nothing physical over there for your body to cross over as. So that gets abandoned. But you're still present now as a being on that end. You can still influence this end the same way that when you were over here, you could influence over there. And beings naturally born over there can influence this side. And there's a numerous amount of shadow beings over there. But let's discuss what the space that's there is like. Yes, it is identical seeming to this side physically.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's buildings that could theoretically be in the same place and look the same. And you could think of it as a reflection, a literal reflection of what we have in the physical realm.

Cristina: So there's nothing off, though.

Jack: There's many things off, which is what's interesting. The best way to describe it is that there are few structures from the material world that have a counterpart. And there are many structures from the material world that don't. The easiest to know, the easiest to understand. Our temples and churches are equal on both sides and usually the easiest gateway between the two places.

Cristina: But regular houses are not.

Jack: No, it requires a person creating the environment that would exist in those places, which is where witchiness comes in.

Cristina: Are these Temples, then they're intentionally doing these gateway things in there.

Jack: I don't. There's no way to really know. There's no way to really know if the gateways are intentional or if it's just a natural product, because arguably they're made on both sides at exactly the same moment. And nobody was intending the crossover, but it's just a place where it's heightened.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Churches and temples and.

Jack: And the easiest way to think about it is that the energy that you put out in the physical realm when you walk into a church is trying to connect to what you'd consider to be your spirit.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so the signal you're putting out kind of tunes a little better. Yes, you tune in better. And so creatures on the other side are kind of experiencing the same thing. Now, this is a very interesting comparison because one of the creatures born on the opposite side in the shadow realm, one are demons, but the others are celestials.

Cristina: Celestials, Angels. What?

Jack: Both of which come from the shadow realm. Now, we only call it the shadow realm in reference to our world, but they don't refer to that. That's just reality to them. And thinking of it as a dark place is also wrong.

Cristina: Do they call it heaven or h*** or. That's names we gave them.

Jack: That's all names we've provided.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yes. And we don't even. They don't even call themselves demons. This is all titles we've invented.

Cristina: Yes. So they're none of. They're none of those things that we think they are.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're none of those things that we think they are. They are living creatures like anything else, except unlike anything else. They are part of the shadow realm, which. Shadow realm to us, but their own thing to themselves.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They don't. They're not like we're the f****** second s*** to this.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like we're the main thing that's our f****** reflection over there. They probably call us a shadow realm.

Cristina: Ah. You know, it's interesting. Yeah.

Jack: And so it's interesting that an angel that goes to meditate at the same place would be received by people in the physical realm more easily because they saw something or felt something. And it's because they're also over there praying and tuning into what they consider to be their spirit, which over here is just an energy to us, the same way we show up over there as just an energy to them.

Cristina: So they're looking at us and thinking angel or demon.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. They might see us doing horrible things and call us demons. And they Might see us doing kind and beautiful things and call us angels.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And it's entirely just because we're a reflection of what's going on.

Cristina: What.

Jack: Interesting, right? The same way that a demon is just a different creature that often does things we would consider bad, but also their interpretation of good or bad is different. How do you blow up a building if there's no physicality to blow something up with?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, different thing going on.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, those are the obvious buildings that are similar on both sides, of which there are many, many, many. But in comparison to the rest of what there is, is very little.

Cristina: Like what? Like it's just all woods?

Jack: No, I'm saying that the. The churches are what's. There are many churches, but collectively, in comparison to other things, churches are what? Like, the least of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And mosques and temples and all these different things. There's very few of them in comparison. Like, how many churches are there per building in the world? You know, it's like maybe a million buildings per church. Who knows? But there are structures over there. Whether they would be considered buildings or I guess they serve the equivalent purpose.

Cristina: They live in them.

Jack: Yeah, you could live in them. You could. They could perform different functions. They have purpose is the best way to put it. They have purpose. There's structures with purpose on that end. And some of them look similar, but many don't. And you could be wandering down something that looks like a street and look similar and get lost. Because the similarities are almost misleading. Because they are no more than just similarities. Only the places that are literally identical are identical. And those are the places that were constructed simultaneously on both sides to connect across.

Cristina: People who do. Astral projections are the only people that are going over there.

Jack: No. People who pray and they think they're praying to something, are communicating directly with the being on the other side, and they're having a conversation. People who pray and they feel like they heard God's voice are probably just having a conversation with another creature who's over there trying to talk to something over here. And they just kind of. Their minds cross paths and they're like having a conversation with one another. This happens pretty often in which people talk to. They talk to the dead. They think they're talking to them. They're talking to. Sometimes it is sometimes literally the dead. And the person on that side doesn't even realize that they're over here thinking, I'm, you know, I'm remembering this person and I have conversation with them in my head occasionally. It's like, you're really f****** talking to them. You just don't know know it because you don't know this realm exists. And so this happens pretty consistently. There is interaction all the time. Whether it be direct interaction or you saw something that you're like, oh, my house is haunted. There's something in there. And it's like in the other side, something lives there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's not malicious, it's just living there. It's its home. You're the one haunting it over there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're over here screaming because you're scared. And it was just wandering and it's like, holy, did I hear something? But you panicked and screamed and they heard you scream, so they f****** panicked and then knocked something down and you panicked more because f****** the chair just fell. But they f****** dropped the chair because they f****** got scared because, yeah, there's some s*** in here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What the h*** is this?

Cristina: Wow, it's interesting. Connected.

Jack: So what allows this to happen is the adrenal chrome itself connects to certain aspects of the brain. The brain is an antenna. It grabs the signal of the consciousness. And so the alterations that happen in the time that allow your mind to be altered and get crazy high intellect or your mind to your DNA to be altered, it trains your consciousness to take over rather than the brain control the consciousness. Most of us live through life thinking we're the conscious being, but we've run experiments in our quantum computers that tell us we're not. Our brain is doing everything. We are convinced that we're here, the ones in charge. There is a consciousness, and the consciousness will persist, but the consciousness isn't in charge. When you have adrenochrome, the structure, the changes in the DNA allows and trains the conscious mind to literally be the driver.

Cristina: Okay. Instead of being. Becoming a monk and becoming the driver.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Perfect. Perfect. A monk could theoretically cross over because they trained it. Yes, they trained their conscious mind to be the one in control. So adrenochrome is a shortcut.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: But it could do things because it alters your DNA. A monk does it without altering their DNA. They cross over perfectly fine.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're not. They don't have any special abilities.

Jack: Yes. They don't have to cross many thresholds. Yeah, but when you take adrenochrome, not only does your mind get altered so that your conscious mind is in control, but million other things happen.

Cristina: And sometimes your body gets altered, sometimes.

Jack: Your body gets altered. And so when you've taken this and your conscious mind is in control as Your conscious mind is you will sort of disconnect from your body. But now, because it's the leading force, it doesn't dissolve as the brain dissolves, the conscious mind simply goes to the next place it knows. It holds on to the other version of you.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow form. And suddenly you exist on that side.

Cristina: But as a shadow in that side, too.

Jack: No. Okay, you're now on that side. You sort of manifest fully on that side.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Yeah. So you've become part of that world, and now that's your real form. That's how many people have crossed over. And when people are talking about. There are people on the other side, you talk mediums who are talking to somebody and all this stuff. They are talking to individuals who fully crossed over to that place, which brings up how that place is considered by many other places.

Cristina: Okay, what is that?

Jack: The name given to it is a quite popular name, and it makes sense that a medium would be connecting to it. It's called, in particularly the Bible. Which is the most easy way to convey this information for English speakers who are familiar with Christianity, above all other religions, is that it is limbo. It is a space after life. But that only applies to us on this side. It is a space after life. Now, not everybody goes to limbo. That is a true fact. Most people cease to exist. But when you've developed the means, you can enter limbo.

Cristina: And adrenochrome is the easy way.

Jack: Adrenochrome is the easy way.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The only real way to be there is to divide your conscious mind from your brain. If your brain controls your conscious mind, when your brain dies, it takes the conscious mind with it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But if you can train your conscious mind to be independent, then your conscious mind can wander and control what, the rest of itself.

Cristina: That sounds difficult. Yes. Okay.

Jack: An adrenal chrome is a shortcut.

Cristina: Yes. What?

Jack: Which is completely fascinating.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's limbo or heaven or h*** or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. That's all the above. It's the same thing. So people who go to h***, if they really went somewhere when they died, they went to limbo. People who go to heaven, if they really go somewhere when they died, they went to limbo. People who cross, their spirit crosses over finally, after their unfinished business is done, you've merely just crossed into limbo. They all went to limbo or cease to exist. Those are the only two options. You either die and your consciousness leaves your body, or you die and you were apparently mentally strong enough that your.

Cristina: Consciousness is gone to go over there.

Jack: And you're technically still here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just your body dies. Immortality is real. But there's a shortcut to get there. And there are many hard ways to get there. And the shortcut has repercussions like losing your body. You lose your body no matter what.

Cristina: Yeah. What are the precautions?

Jack: First, turning into something different while you're on this side.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And second, when your mind continues after your body has died, whatever thing you became, you were for a long time. Your consciousness got trained to believe that's you. And so if you are a coyote who was just a coyote, they become headstrong. Their conscious mind now runs their body. But they're not hyper intelligent the way a human is. They are a Chupacabra, a different kind of intellect. Their consciousness is in control. That being then dies however many years in the future. And they are not a coyote on the other side. Their conscious mind got trained over many decades, centuries, millennia. You were longer the Chupacabra than you were the coyote.

Cristina: Okay. So they go to the other side and they're sort of still like a Chupacabra.

Jack: Yes. Except you are the shadow version of that because you no longer have a physical form.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which over there, the Chupacabra is the equivalent of what we have called the Wet Judge. That is the Chupacabra. It is a feral beast that is out there influencing and killing and it does it on both sides. Anytime it could influence. Now because its mind is so strong, it can phase in and out. But over here it looks like a shadow.

Cristina: Yes. What? It looks like a shadow?

Jack: Yeah, it looks like some kind of. It looks like a shapeless doggish.

Cristina: They can take a real form.

Jack: No, it doesn't. Nothing takes a form over here. There's no physicality for it to take. It only influences side.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's the only role something that's lost its body over here can do. You can't manifest on this side. Or if you do manifest, it's not physical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like would you say a spirit is physical? No, but it is over here. Yeah, that's exactly how it work. The literal way to describe it is that a Wet Judge is a spirit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a demonic spirit. Well, we would call it demonic.

Cristina: It's just an animal that wants to.

Jack: Eat blood, needs it. That's just its food source. Yeah, it's just as food source. So yes, it wants a blood, but it's because it's hungry.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that sustains it. Now the interesting part is when you're on that side. You don't need the blood to sustain you. You're just over there. The blood allows you to be sustained. Over here. Blood is physical. And what you're getting, you're not drinking the blood as this ethereal being, what.

Cristina: Are you doing with it?

Jack: You're sucking out the emotion that was in it. The fear.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Which somehow now I don't know the answer to this question, which is why can they access it? But I guess the same idea would apply inside of a church. When you're giving out a certain emotion and it's connecting to the other side, something about our emotions is what's important. Yes. It could cross the threshold. And if Chupacabra. Now, a wet judge can be around the place where fear exists, it can manifest something about fear allows beings on the other side to manifest on this end.

Cristina: And with the people that end up killing their family over this. Was it the Wetchaj or the Wendingo?

Jack: Either.

Cristina: Or the person that's involved, is he being influenced by this spirit thing?

Jack: Yes. What happens is the emotions of the opposite side come across as well. Emotions exist perfectly fine on both sides.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Something about it connects. Fear seems to be the strongest of all the emotions that drives ever everything again on both sides. Exactly. If we go back to the church and we think of what people are doing when they are praying, they think there's a God who's gonna punish them. Fear is what they're using to connect to this higher thing. And thus the angel gets a clear thing to the. And the angel probably believes that it has a God on that side too. If it's born on that side, it doesn't know where it came from. It's gonna die eventually.

Cristina: It went to its church and prayed.

Jack: It went to his church and prayed. But out of fear, like what happens when I die. That it's ex crisis that we all have on the inside is fear. And somehow that connects us. And a wet judge that receives this can. If you're somewhere where there is way a lot of fear, a lot of fear you can manifest, you don't need to even generate the fear. That's why places like mental asylums where people are delusional and confused and scared about their situation, they don't. They're maybe not even in the right state of mind. And they're just horrified of where. They don't know where they are. They don't know why.

Cristina: They think they're haunted. Or a lot of them are haunted after they're closed down.

Jack: Yes. Because all the emotion that was intensely felt in there stays there.

Cristina: It stays there. But the stuff that's haunting it is really just shadow people.

Jack: Yes, creatures from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just they can more easily manifest in those locations. And over there on that side, that might be a place that hasn't shut down. It's just a fully functional place. But as you're wandering through there, you see many things. Maybe on the other side it is abandoned. And so where would creatures that are feral go? They're going to go to abandoned places where they're not going to be hunted and killed by things on the other side. Oh, so they would go to abandoned places.

Cristina: Yeah. And so is there more feral things over there or is it equally on both sides?

Jack: It should theoretically be equal on both sides.

Cristina: Okay, so it's.

Jack: It's very similar to this side. Yeah, it's just not this side.

Cristina: But it's not this side.

Jack: But it's not this side. Then we go to the gray wolf. The gray wolf is similar to the coyote. They're both wolves, but their genetics respond different. Now, every single coyote of the same type would experience adrenochrome the same way.

Cristina: So equaling a chupacabra, always, a wolf.

Jack: Already had a certain genetic structure that was different. And every gray wolf that has adrenochrome will turn into a werewolf. Without exception.

Cristina: All these werewolves work the same.

Jack: All the werewolves work well. All the wolves work the same. Well, all creatures in general are going to turn to something different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very few scenarios do they not. Most cases, they are physically altered one way or another. And in the case of the gray wolf, they all become werewolves. Now, the circumstances again, have to be quite specific, or you give it to them. You either need to be a person who has adrenochrome, acquired strong doses and gave it to them, or some weird chance led to them consuming a person who's like, horrified. Who had horrified? Doesn't even matter. It needs to be enough to produce the high dose of adrenochrome that could alter it. Because just horrified isn't enough. You could eat somebody horrified. Nothing happens. It wasn't high enough, but you cross the threshold and then you consume that person. Now, that's gonna alter your DNA and.

Cristina: Turn you into a werewolf.

Jack: Yes, you are way more intelligent. Way more intelligent. Now, some creatures have proven to be more intelligent than the werewolf, and we'll get to that shortly. Because the werewolf is, although now bipedal, standing tall, grows in size significantly, grows in intellect significantly, is still primitive. Next To a human thinking brain who hasn't even taken Adrenoc, they just happen to be overpowered a million times faster, physically monstrous, and could wreck walls. Yes. Now, when a werewolf dies, their physical being goes. The adrenochrome gave their conscious mind control. They cross over, they become the Wendigo.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: And that is just a werewolf on the other side.

Cristina: Okay. And they look different. Well, I guess we don't see what they look like. They're just shadows, really.

Jack: Over here, they're just shadows. We have no idea what it looks like over there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We'd have to be there to see.

Cristina: What it looks like. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, we have no idea what it looks like. But over here, what crossed over looks kind of like a wolf. Like a weird, fuzzy shadow wolf. But it's just because we're seeing something that isn't really here.

Cristina: Because it's in the shadow realm.

Jack: Because it's in the shadow realm, humans are already particularly intelligent. They take it. They, again, like everything else, get immortal. Keep in mind the werewolf also became immortal. And it was a werewolf for longer than it was a wolf. It could last many, many decades. Centuries. Millennia. And its conscious mind believes that's it. And that is what manifests on the other side. Humans become vampires.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yes. Our understanding of vampires are what humans become. They are agile, they are fast, they are way more intelligent than they were previously. They are capable creatures. They are powerful creatures. And when you die, you cross over.

Cristina: A vampire, and then you're a shadow vampire. In a way, yes.

Jack: What we see are these beings that can outsmart us. They seem to trick us everywhere. We often call the humans that continue to interact with us on this side tricksters. We call them gods because their ability. They're super intelligent and they know.

Cristina: They know what they want.

Jack: They know what they want, and they know where they are relative to where they came from, which feral creatures don't seem to be aware of because they're still just creatures.

Cristina: So they're just attacking anything.

Jack: Yeah. They can see over here, when they're around enough emotion to manifest, but they're not thinking, oh, there was enough of emotion. And I'm a manifest. Yeah, A vampire can make that choice.

Cristina: Actively pop up wherever he wants to.

Jack: Because you're aware of the rules, you're aware of how it works, and you could choose to do it while the werewolf is still chaotic and madness is not thinking. I'm a manifest on the other side.

Cristina: And these things need food to survive, too. These shadows. Yes.

Jack: There's food over there. As Normal. And there's food over here as normal. And fear allows you to manifest, and you can sort of influence things on this side. And we feel the emotions of that side the way they feel our emotions that allow them to form. And what happens is when we feel their emotions, what happens when they feel ours? They can be over here a little more, except we're literally over there and over here. So what they're f****** with is a version of us that's being sucked to that side a little more. And they can still hurt us over there and it affect us over here if we're starting to manifest more and more on that end.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So that's how somebody gets. For example, the wet judge gets inside of a person's head. This person goes and kills their whole family.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're feeling the rage that a hungry wetcha just feeling.

Cristina: What about the people who are attacked by what they think are like, their dead family members that are in the grave, and they're like they're drinking the life out of me. Is that really just a shadow person? Those are shadow people maybe drinking their life in that other shadow realm.

Jack: Yes. Well, it looks like when it comes to a lot of these creatures, the feral argument we had seems to take place exclusively over there now. Yeah. Vampire who doesn't have adrenochrome can become a feral and be dangerous on this side before they even die.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they can live feral. The same idea applies over there, but it doesn't have to do with blood necessarily. It has to do with the fact that maybe too much emotion is overwhelming.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And they lose sanity.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's just out there attacking anything and everything. This.

Cristina: They stop thinking because of too much emotion.

Jack: Too much emotion.

Cristina: Wow. Yeah.

Jack: It's f****** crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, humans cross over, as we discussed. They become the jinn. A jinn is clever. It is smart. Again, over here, we call them humans. Well, we did. Yeah. Those are just humans. When they cross over, they're a jinn. But often over here, we call them tricksters. We call them gods. We call them all these other things, but it's a jinn. It's just a person.

Cristina: Okay. This is unrelated to the vampire.

Jack: This is the vampire. Vampire crosses over.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The human is the vampire. The vampire is the gin.

Cristina: All right. It's just a different name.

Jack: Well, the vampire is on this side.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The djinn is once. It's over there. That's the title we've accurately. When we're talking about djinns, we're talking about that yes. Now, instances that sort of break the illusion of blood being a necessity are when we consider gorillas.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, a gorilla is not necessarily even a meat eater. They could survive off of fruit and stuff like that. And then you give them adrenochrome and.

Cristina: Then they become something.

Jack: They become a Sasquatch. They become a Sasquatch, their intellect does skyrocket. It becomes almost human, like, just like.

Cristina: They're not after me or anything.

Jack: No, it just follows them by a tiny little bit. We. I mean, they follow hu. It's intellect follows human just by a tiny little bit.

Cristina: It's not for the emotion. What is it for? The emotion?

Jack: No, that has nothing to do with the emotion.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: When they have adrenochrome, the Sasquatch's intellect goes up as one of the physical responses it has.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And its intellect goes almost to that of a human, just not quite there. Just super close, but not quite there. And it doesn't chase meat any more than it did before. It's equally elusive. Sometimes it's more elusive. It uses intellect to like, what the f*** am I? And it's just like, let me stay awake because I know they're gonna kill me if they see me or some s*** like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it doesn't like, strive to kill or anything. And it also doesn't become feral.

Cristina: There's no feral version.

Jack: There's no feral version. And it does stay immortal.

Cristina: Is it just that meat. Meat eaters are turning?

Jack: I don't know. That's an interesting point. That's a very interesting point. It could be additionally a. Like, they're immortal in the sense that they're gonna live way longer than our scope can understand. And when they cross over, they have their own thing over there too. But on this side, their physical transformation and everything, nothing seems to affect it in any kind of negative way. It's just gonna live longer. It's way better and stronger than everything around it.

Cristina: And it hides.

Jack: And it could hide more effectively. Now, when a gorilla dies, it becomes a creature called a Shojo. And a Shojo is literally the translation for a. Now this is. I don't remember what culture it's from, but they've seen many of these repeatedly. And it's a spirit ape.

Cristina: A spirit ape?

Jack: Yep. It's a ethereal, ambiguously shaped. Kind of looks like the cross between an ape and a person. And it's a spirit of some sort.

Cristina: So it's probably the Sasquatch.

Jack: It's the Sasquatch that died?

Cristina: Yeah. Oh my gosh. That's from somewhere.

Jack: Yeah, it's. I believe it's either Shinto or some kind of Chinese mythology that they have that they actively have seen these creatures.

Cristina: And these things are also peaceful.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They're trolls, but they don't really harm anybody.

Cristina: Oh, they're a bit of a trickster. Like.

Jack: Yes. It seems like intellect leads to trolling pretty often.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which definitely gives way to the argument that when a ghost is haunting you, it's really just a shadow person. Like bored.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the interesting between the Sasquatch is that there's something very similar to it that we kind of associated with it probably through all of time. But in looking into this, I did not realize that it wasn't this other thing. So bears all have their own forms as well. But there is one particular interesting thing that when you give a bear adrenochrome, specifically a polar bear, it becomes a yeti.

Cristina: A yeti. Okay.

Jack: And the yeti, when you put it next to a Sasquatch, you suddenly realize.

Cristina: They'Re not the same thing.

Jack: They're not the same thing. The features are so ape in a Sasquatch, while the yeti seems to be hair everywhere. It's a. Its hands are fuzzy, its face is fuzzy. It's a f****** bear. But I never thought about this until I started looking for where it comes from, for what's surrounding it.

Cristina: See a picture of a yeti. I can't remember what it looks like. Okay.

Jack: You see the difference?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The yeti is just a f******. I don't know why we didn't think about it. We just. Monkey man. It's cuz everything has to be human because we're f****** human. We're like always. It's us. It has to be us.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, no f****** way. It's us.

Cristina: And they're peaceful.

Jack: They're also peaceful. Which is weird because it breaks the argument that a meat eater would become a meat eater. A yeti doesn't eat meat. It could survive off of fish and s***, but berries and s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The reactions are so different that it doesn't keep consistent across the board.

Cristina: Is there a ghost version?

Jack: Yes. The ghost version of the yeti is called an onikuma. And that's basically, we've called it a demonic spirit bear. Literally translated to demonic shadow bear.

Cristina: But is it demonic?

Jack: No, it's just again, a spirit. It's shadowy on our side. Yes.

Cristina: Demon.

Jack: It's anomalous on our side. The cultures that have seen it are still relatively primitive cultures that live on the outskirts of the planet rather than in giant societies where we develop quickly. So the stories are still really primitive and it's by people who weren't so developed. So they're still describing anything that's not human as demon, essentially. Okay, and now to keep talking about variants of this. Earlier I said not everything has a physical response to adrenochrome. To adrenochrome. And that's where we have the variants of groundhogs.

Cristina: Groundhogs?

Jack: Well, of rodents particularly. Now, the groundhog himself doesn't change into anything. It takes adrenochrome.

Cristina: And it still looks like.

Jack: And it still looks like a groundhog.

Cristina: But so do humans.

Jack: Yes. We physically don't go through a lot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, interesting, right?

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: The groundhog does become faster. It does become smarter. It does live centuries because faster.

Cristina: You had stories of it faster, but.

Jack: It physically remains the same.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: But a beaver, that is the cousin, becomes a whole other creature called a kolokolo.

Cristina: Is that a also friendly thing or what? What's going on with that creature?

Jack: Not necessarily. A colo. Colo is. Doesn't have human like intellect, but is quite the savage because of it. While the groundhog has human literally comparable to a human. No other creature matches a human intellect than a groundhog. Than a groundhog it seems to be. Now, there's probably others, but based on what we got in response to questions, this.

Cristina: Is the adrenochrome affecting its intelligence?

Jack: Yes. And it brings it all the way up to humans basic intelligence.

Cristina: Well, it does not do the same for the beaver. The beaver?

Jack: Nope. Now, interesting enough, when they cross over, they both cross over as a very similar creature.

Cristina: And they have different names.

Jack: No, it's exactly the same name because it seems to be exactly the same creature. Whether it's feral or not is the problem because this creature is sometimes perfectly innocent and fine, and other times it's violent and gruesome.

Cristina: So you could assume it might be one or the other.

Jack: Guess based on behavior. And that's called a choppa, a chapa. Yeah. And it's a rodent spirit. But the chapa only comes from beavers and groundhogs and similar things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So genetically they're so close that they.

Cristina: Look the same on the other side.

Jack: Yes, they look the same on the other side.

Cristina: Okay. But in this side, they look. They don't change at all, pretty much.

Jack: The beaver does change.

Cristina: The beaver changes.

Jack: Okay, Beaver changes into the kola kola, which is basically a gruesome, like Giant rat monster.

Cristina: A giant rat monster. Awesome.

Jack: It looks like a dog's eye size.

Cristina: Dog size. Yeah.

Jack: Imagine a sharp toothed brat the size of a dog. And that's the colo. Colo.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Pretty interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So these are just details from the other side.

Cristina: Details from the other side.

Jack: Now we have a way clear image of what's happening, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Before it was like, well, it could be this, it could be that. No, this is what's going on.

Cristina: This is from just people collecting stories.

Jack: This is data.

Cristina: Data.

Jack: This is all data. Now focusing entirely just on the shadow realm for a second and talking about the creatures that are on that side. I only mentioned two and I mentioned.

Cristina: The two obvious ones, the demons and angels.

Jack: The demons and angels, which are just beings from that side. And there are many more that behave in different ways the same way. We have animals and we have creatures of different sorts, as are there creatures on the other side, some of which are unbelievably notable. Like what, for example? A leviathan.

Cristina: A leviathan.

Jack: Leviathan is a large serpent like creature and it can shapeshift.

Cristina: Is that from the Bible or from something else?

Jack: It's from many systems, including the Bible.

Cristina: Many systems.

Jack: Many systems have that. Many belief systems, many theologies.

Cristina: Do they all call them that or is it just a giant serpent? And like the descriptions are like the descriptions are the same.

Jack: Funny enough, the descriptions are always identical and the name a good half of the time is leviathan, just in a different language. Well, but a lot of times it's just called giant serpent or it has a different name that is talking about the same creature, but they're all talking about leviathans that are just giant shape shifting snakes, that their main form is the snake. It's like a sea. It's like a sea serpent.

Cristina: It's a shapeshifter.

Jack: Here's an interesting thing about that shapeshifter and it's about a creature we never found. But we found what it was protecting.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: We once took a trip under the lake and we found a base. And what was supposed to be protecting that base that we never found?

Cristina: The sea monster.

Jack: The sea monster. Nessie.

Cristina: Nessie is the one.

Jack: We only see the neck and think there's a body. No, the reason we can't find it is because it's not there. We're seeing. And what do we see in the photos that do get taken? A shadowy serpent.

Cristina: She's a leviathan.

Jack: It's a leviathan. And we're seeing this side. What we would see its shadow form.

Cristina: Okay. And those other sea monsters are probably also leviathans pretty frequently.

Jack: Yes. And this also goes to say that when, for example, we see Sasquatch in the woods and we try to take a picture, it looks like it's. It's literally. It's funny that I've made this joke before, but it is literally that it is fuzzy.

Cristina: It's because it's the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Because it's the Shadow Realms version of it. Oh, we're seeing the Shoju. If we manage to get a clear picture, then we have one from this side.

Cristina: But we've been taking pictures of the Shadow Realm version.

Jack: Yes. Because they have no reason to hide from us.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So we see a fuzzy. And it's literally because it is fuzzy.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which takes us to other things that would be considered animals on the other side that we have seen but haven't seen.

Cristina: Like shadow people themselves.

Jack: Shadow people themselves. One of them is unicorns.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We see unicorns, but we never see unicorns. It was there and then suddenly it wasn't there.

Cristina: They live in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: They are creatures from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What?

Jack: As well as dragons.

Cristina: No way. What? So everything we thought that we saw but never really saw, most of the.

Jack: Things that we thought we saw but can't prove exist is because we'd have no means to do. And it's because they come from the. We're seeing rough images of something from somewhere else.

Cristina: And they're from the Shadow Realm.

Jack: The Shadow Realm. We only think of it as a dark place because we're using the word shadow. Yes, but it is just different.

Cristina: It's a magical place. Well, they're not magical, though.

Jack: But they're not magical. But it is a different kind of place where these things exist. And talking about magical, there are a couple of beings, naturally, with the ability to exist fully in both places, but. But only exist in one at a time. And I don't know the explanation behind this, but pixies and goblins both have the ability to enter and exit, which we can't even do. Yeah. The Shadow Realm. When they're in the physical realm, they are not in the Shadow Realm. They are not there. They don't have two versions. They have one. And somehow they don't exist in two realms at once, but because of that, they can 100% exit one and enter the other, but they do it at will, as if their shadow version and their physical version are the same. Are the same.

Cristina: Can they die.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: Okay. I'm totally gonna investigate this.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know if they could die. I don't know what's happening. They don't require adrenochrome. There's no. They could just move seamlessly between the two.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. I'm gonna. I'm gonna figure it out.

Jack: And the weirdest part about them is that I found it in many, many, many places. Mentions Pixies and goblins move seamlessly. They seem to disappear in front of you sometimes. There's no way they could have shown up. And they're just f****** there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this is consistent. And it's through hundreds of systems that they say the same f****** things about the same two m************. I don't know how the f*** it works. Additionally, reapers are from limbo. Reapers are. When we're talking demons, that's as close as we can get because demons on that side, we're being a*******, essentially calling some conscious, fully thinking creature that's just not following.

Cristina: What exactly is a reaper supposed to be?

Jack: A reaper is a sort of feral being that consumes life force. What it feeds on is your shadow form.

Cristina: Oh, that's the thing that I was talking about. That might be why you're dying and you blame it on the dead. But it might be a reaper.

Jack: S***. I guess it could be a reaper that's doing that. Yeah, I guess it would be. So a reaper feeds on your shadow energy. It feeds on your shadow self and. Because if one dies, the other dies.

Cristina: Exactly. Oh my gosh. That explains those stories.

Jack: Yes. So you could die if your spirit form dies, although if your shadow form dies. But not many things can interact with your shadow form.

Cristina: Do you know what a reaper looks like? Or are there no real good descriptions from over there?

Jack: We have no way of telling. We don't know what a demon really looks like.

Cristina: We have ideas.

Jack: We don't know what an angel looks like. We've literally described them as just pure energy. The reaper is the same idea. It's just their behavior that we can tell is different.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And what they look like roughly? Over here, we've seen that the manifestation of some angels looks humanoid, but then there are some angels that look so alien. But it could just be a different creature that we're also bunching into the umbrella term called angel.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there could just be a 300 eyeball looking creature that is fully sentient thanks to the caliber of a human. And all that. And then we see it and we're like, that's an angel. But wait, that guy that looks like a man is an angel? And they're both. We're calling them both angels, but they're different creatures entirely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's a possibility. There could be many sentient human level intellect creatures. It's impossible to tell without being there.

Cristina: Like a goblin and a pixie.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I mean, no, you would know those two specifically because you said they are physically here and physically there.

Jack: Physically here. Physically.

Cristina: Those two we know for sure?

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: Everything else.

Jack: There might be others that could do it, but those were, like, the most prominent. Anytime information on this came up, and anytime I asked these. These creatures for more, all of them talked about how every possible. And I looked, I referenced everything. I checked all of it. Yes, it's mentioned over and over.

Cristina: Check it out. I'm gonna figure it out. What?

Jack: So, yeah, this was amazing. Going in on the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The Shadow realm. For Happy St. Patrick. No, sorry.

Jack: Happy Groundhog Day.

Cristina: Groundhog Day.

Jack: Well, it all. It all came out of Groundhog's Day, which is great. But, yeah, this is the result of that. I got curious and I had to find out because I don't. I don't believe in mysticism. I do not. And I knew there was an explanation for this stuff.

Cristina: And this is a good enough explanation.

Jack: Yeah. The interesting part about this is the most interesting part about everything we just talked about is the fact that technology could theoretically be built to get you there. Again, my comparison at the very beginning was intentional. It is kind of like a different frequency.

Cristina: And what technology do you need?

Jack: Imagine a time machine that allows you to move forward and back in time. Or imagine taking a chemical that allows you to elevate up and down dimensions. That's all technology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some are chemicals, some are machines. The same way that you can go up and down dimensions forward and back through time, you can move side to side through realms. Another thing I should point out in saying that is the Shadow Realm isn't the only realm other than ours. That was just all I was talking about.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: I also found that there is quite the number of realms. Quite the number of realms.

Cristina: Did you check them all out?

Jack: No, but I know they're there.

Cristina: Oh, man, that's interesting.

Jack: Many realms, many dimensions, many universes, many timelines. Everything applies equally. That is not the only one.

Cristina: That's too much. That's too much.

Jack: And we exist in all of us.

Cristina: Simultaneously, and we live in all of them.

Jack: It's basically the X, Y, Z axises, we're thinking, you know, we're always in the Y axis. We're always in the X axis. Time. We're always moving through time, forward and back, depth.

Cristina: But there's so much more going on.

Jack: There's so much more. We have the Y, I guess X is so Z axis is depth. Right. Z axis is time forward and back through the same kind of experience, while the Y axis is dimensions up and down, but the X axis left and right are dimensions. And this is just our interaction with one of them.

Cristina: Amazing, man. But the other realms, there should in.

Jack: Theory be chemicals or technologies that can allow us to access the other realms the same way. And it's not adrenochrome. There would be something else, equal, but opposite.

Cristina: And we gotta find out what that is and what creatures can do it and etc.

Jack: Here's the problem. I think we know creatures that can do it. And that takes us back to the f****** pixies and the goblins. If they are one thing. Are they one thing regardless of how many different realms and can they easily and seamlessly move between them?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alternatively, I only said as an explanation that heaven, h*** and limbo are all the same place. But do we simultaneously exist through all of them and they are all different realms? Because it was just an easy way to summarize it. But we don't f****** know.

Cristina: We don't know. Wow. Well, hopefully I'm gonna at least go through the pixie hunt and see what I find through them and maybe we'll see these other realms mentioned.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: And I'm gonna see if I can find which technolog maybe get us to access the shadow realm. And if that works, there are many other places we can go.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed this and if you did, there is a previous part to this and many topics discussing all these creatures and so many.

Cristina: Other episodes to check out.

Jack: Yeah, just it's. It's so much. Just go look at all the other stuff. Yes, and you can find all that other stuff on the official website greythoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or anywhere you get your podcast.

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Cristina: This has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. And he's one of the four gods.

Cristina: Shaggy 100% can rewrite the last 20 years of their history. 150% can create and destroy planets. 200 to 1000%. Not much. Only his existing abilities become stronger and can rewrite the last 2000 years and can destroy galaxies, etc. Where are these percentages coming from? 1500% can and will destroy Fred, leading to a utopia.

Jack: To a utopia. Here's what's interesting about this and completely fascinating. He's the God of destruction. Shaggy is the God of destruction.

Cristina: He is. Is the cat God.

Jack: Yeah. He's the real Beerus.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

JCP 5.01 Space Skits & Starving Children

The Just Conversation Podcast, Space Skits, Cliff Benfield, Show, Radio, Podcast, Comedy, Guest, Discussion, Funny, Animation, Cartoons, MeatCanyon

Guest Cliff Benfield, the creator of ‘Space Skits’ animations on Instagram and TikTok, joins Jack to discuss everything from the process of animation, psychedelics and MeatCanyon to complex thought experiments and the philosophies of creativity.

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