Rambling 142: Slow Burn Apocalypse
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Is everything a lie? Are there aliens? Were there more Native American lives lost that we can fathom when arriving in America? Is Western Culture manipulated by media? And is this virus actually as bad as we are told it is? The clones try to unpack what is true and how western society has corrupted the minds of its people.
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Topics Discussed
- Michael Horn
- Aliens
- Hive Mentality
- Under Performing
- Western Culture
- Individualism
- Corrupt Western Culture
- Unity
- Political Teams
- Native American Genocide
- Hawaiian Slaves
- Tornado in Jersey
- Climate Change Isn’t Real
- Slow Burn Apocalypse
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
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Jack: Yes. So be sure to grab somebody, pull them aside, bring them to you, and have a hefty, hefty listening session about, on through this show.
Cristina: This show. It's gonna be 10 hours long.
Jack: 10 hours long. It's gonna be the longest show we've ever had.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I mean the show we had with Dave was pretty long.
Cristina: That was.
Jack: That was one of the first. What was it the second time we had him that we were just there for like five hours.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Breaking them records, man. We were on some Joe Rogan time.
Cristina: Yeah. Was it Comedy Bang Bang did one that was like 12 hours long.
Jack: No, they did their 10 hour episode.
Cristina: 10 hours?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: We gotta do a 10 hour.
Jack: Never happening.
Cristina: Never happening.
Jack: That's hardcore. He did that by having like 20 guests.
Cristina: Yeah, you can come up with 20 guests somehow.
Jack: What? You know how hard it is to just find somebody interesting? There's a lot of people. It's just people aren't necessarily interesting.
Cristina: Yeah, we'll do it on the radio app thing. Stereo. We'll just have. We'll be there 10 hours straight.
Jack: 10 hours straight. Getting ramp. The problem with that is that it's inconsistent people. It's just a lot of waiting as people come through and like nobody falls into the room. So as soon as we're done with somebody who had to leave because it's 10 hours, then we have like 20 minutes of silence.
Cristina: That's true.
Jack: Waiting for somebody to show up during that time. Interesting. Interesting.
Cristina: It will keep going, just filling in the gap.
Jack: Interesting. But then how do we mute the f****** search thing on the stereo app? I hate that sound there.
Cristina: You check the options for that?
Jack: No, but it's f****** annoying. I hope I can turn it off if we can't. And if we can't. That's my point. I haven't checked the options. So if we can't, then what?
Cristina: But if we can.
Jack: But if we can't, then why. Obviously if we can, then success.
Cristina: Yeah. But if we can't, we find 10 people and have an hour conversation with Each of them. Is that how it works? I don't think anyone can do an hour. I mean. No, we do that all the time.
Jack: Yeah. With five people we can do two hours a piece.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The problem is also scheduling that.
Cristina: Well, some people, if they could schedule in like a half an hour, like, well, it will be varied the time schedule of everyone so they can choose the amount of time they want to take out for this 10 hour thing.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: Yeah. So it could be like half an hour or maybe someone's like I could be there half an hour in the beginning, but then I'll be five hours later. I'll be free to do two hours or something and then they could come back.
Jack: That seems so annoying to have. That's like not even a little interesting. Because it would be too difficult to organize.
Cristina: Yeah, that is.
Jack: It'd be kind of a pain in the a**. That just sucks out the want to do that at all.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Having to schedule million people in different time slots and different organizations. This person leaves, comes back, that person's gonna be here this long in the middle. This person's only gonna this time. But that's gonna be the app that s***.
Cristina: So no 10 hour. No, no. You can do a 10 minute episode. That would be unique.
Jack: Right. People are boring and I'm not doing that. The problem is people suck. And getting so many people.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Sucks. Yes, it sucks. Never in a million years am I gonna do that. That's why we have so few guests. Generally speaking. I'm not just gonna have whack people coming through. It needs to be content that people can be like wow, interesting or somebody actually I don't give a if they like it. I, I need to like talking to.
Cristina: The person like wow, interesting.
Jack: Yeah, I have to want to talk to this person. Yeah, I'm just gonna pick a bunch of garbage people.
Cristina: Why not?
Jack: Because that sucks. Who the wants to do that? I don't know, just I'm the one taught. You could talk to them if you want to talk to them.
Cristina: I don't think so.
Jack: I'm not gonna be here talking to a bunch of boring people. Yeah, I'm not doing that either. I'm not going to be here talking to a bunch of wack people who've got nothing interesting to say. No, I want people who just open minded and want to discuss their thoughts and their ideas.
Cristina: Yeah, I wonder. We need to do a episode though with a guest that we have questions from our listeners, especially Mike.
Jack: That's for Michael Horn.
Cristina: Yeah, Michael Horn.
Jack: H*** yeah.
Cristina: Specifically I know we have questions for him. Backed up.
Jack: Yes. No question at all. For season six. There's that Michael Horn's coming back.
Cristina: He has to.
Jack: He has to.
Cristina: He has to. There's people.
Jack: Yes, people have questions.
Cristina: I have questions.
Jack: Yeah, me too.
Cristina: Me too.
Jack: I gotta listen back. There was. It was an information dump, man.
Cristina: It was.
Jack: There was a lot going on.
Cristina: There's too much going on. And if you actually look up the research on these websites, it's just so much info, so thorough. I don't know how anyone can like spend their time researching this topic. It's.
Jack: Yeah, no, you were either there from the start or you're never catching up.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Or get Michael Horn and he'll teach you. Yes, he's gonna teach you the ways.
Cristina: Wow.
Jack: Interesting though.
Cristina: And who knows what other interesting things happened to him after we talked to him.
Jack: I mean, nothing really happened to him.
Cristina: No. But he was there at least on one of those events.
Jack: He was there through many of the events.
Cristina: Oh, many of them, yeah. So yeah.
Jack: It's just nothing happened to him.
Cristina: No.
Jack: He's just witnessing stuff happen to Billy Meyer.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's pretty dope, man. Just watching basically a current day messiah experience. Weird anomalies and like supernatural events happening from like time traveling and interdimensional aliens and s***.
Cristina: And evil robots.
Jack: They were evil robots.
Cristina: Evil Internet entity.
Jack: Oh, the sentient like conglomerate thing that.
Cristina: Was made out of prayers.
Jack: Made out of prayers?
Cristina: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was made out of prayers of hate or some weird thing like that.
Jack: Yeah. I don't know.
Cristina: It's a complicated story.
Jack: There's a lot going on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a lot going on in there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's a crazy world. I definitely want him back. My question is, is he the only person who has like Billy Meyer, is he the only, like. Let's say this alien race is real, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they are. It's truly happening. All the events that we were told by Michael Horn has happened to Billy are real. Does. Are there others and does he know of them?
Cristina: Yes, because there's a lot of people who have talked to aliens. So has anyone talked to the same aliens?
Jack: That's an interesting question. Is it like this specific alien race only interacts with him and nevertheless these aliens are us somehow?
Cristina: Yeah. So how do they. I don't know. There's us somehow they're us in the future or something.
Jack: So it was something like that. They're genetically the same.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: Whether we share ancestors or we literally are them, like in the future. Like we are the Ancestors, of course, or something. Somehow those aliens and us are identical.
Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if he's also talked with other aliens besides those specific ones. Have he? Has he talked to the one from. That guy from Area 51 that he was talking to? That alien that was working with him? Did that guy ever escape and talk to other people?
Jack: The guy from Area 51?
Cristina: Yeah. He was talking to an alien that was. He was helping build a spaceship with or break down a spaceship or some crazy story like that.
Jack: Oh, you mean Dave. Is it last something Lazaro.
Cristina: From Joe Rogan, I think it was that he was talking about that story.
Jack: I mean, he was on Joe Rogan. He ain't from Joe Rogan. He's not like. Well, Joe Rogan has a group of people that have.
Cristina: He might.
Jack: He might. He has a re. Now. He has the resources.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: After his Spotify deal, who knows, he might be running Area 51.
Cristina: What? So, yeah, what if that guy's alien buddy has contacted Bob? Bob?
Jack: Oh, Bob and Billy. Oh, man. They sound their names, tell me they know each other.
Cristina: They have to.
Jack: It's Bob, Billy, and Steve.
Cristina: Who's Steve?
Jack: I don't know. Some other guy.
Cristina: Oh, my.
Jack: The other guy who talked to the aliens. Bob, Billy, Steve, Frank.
Cristina: So the aliens just pick the most boring name.
Jack: Yeah, Mike. Just a Bob, Billy, Frank, Steve, Mike. All these guys?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They're the only people allowed to talk to aliens. What if your name is complicated? Like, you can't be a zachariah and talk to the aliens. They're like, nah, I can't say your name, so I'm not talking to you. I'm insulted, but Bob, Mike. No. Jesus.
Cristina: What was his name? They said his. His name is not Jesus.
Jack: No, his name wasn't Jesus. It was Emmanuel.
Cristina: Emmanuel? Yeah.
Jack: That is a pretty complex name.
Cristina: That's a complicated name.
Jack: That's why they stopped. That's why they're like, we're over this. We're just talking to Billy, Mike, Frank, Steve, Bob, all these.
Cristina: That's has to be one or two.
Jack: One. One vowel. That's it.
Cristina: That's it. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Nothing more than that.
Cristina: That's awesome. Maybe we can go visit him and see for ourselves the weird things.
Jack: Is it. Who?
Cristina: Billy, Bob, whatever.
Jack: Isn't he. Isn't he, like, German or something?
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: So, like, we will totally not be able to communicate with him.
Cristina: No. But we have Michael to communicate with us.
Jack: My question is, does Michael speak German? Like, we never asked him this. How does. How does he Communicate? Do they just have a translator present at all times?
Cristina: A translator?
Jack: Or does he know German?
Cristina: He must by now because he lives there.
Jack: He lives in Switzerland, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you speak. No, he speaks Swiss German.
Cristina: Swiss German?
Jack: That's a whole language of its own, the Swiss German. Like the Germans don't understand Swiss German, but the Swiss Germans understand German.
Cristina: But they're both in Swiss Switzerland.
Jack: What, German? No, Germany is its own place.
Cristina: Billy is also there.
Jack: Oh yeah, they're both in. In. In Switzerland.
Cristina: Yeah. So he must have picked up some Swiss German.
Jack: Yeah. I mean, depending how long he's been there. Was he there when we were talking to him?
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: Really?
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: So that's fascinating. You gotta go meet him, hang out.
Jack: Yeah, maybe not.
Cristina: Some weird stuff happens.
Jack: Yeah, probably not.
Cristina: Probably not. Maybe the aliens will contact you somehow.
Jack: I doubt it, but I would like to. I don't know. It's really interesting. Aliens are complicated, man. I wonder like what system an alien goes through to contact people.
Cristina: Really, what system?
Jack: Like, what logic do they use to reach out and talk to somebody? Like, is it one just bored on chat or is it like, well, I gotta give you a secret message.
Cristina: It's always a secret message.
Jack: No, it's not always a secret message. Some people just receive some intercepted s*** that had nothing to do with them.
Cristina: Allegedly.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Yeah. Why would aliens want to talk to us?
Jack: I don't know, maybe to see if we're intelligent. It'd be like if we could really start. I would have a conversation with the dolphin. Give me whatever's going to translate it and I just. I want to see, I want to know. I'm curious.
Cristina: That is pretty interesting. Yeah, yeah. Would you want to talk to other animals though? Like even dumber animals? Would that matter? Like if you could communicate? Like they always talk about us to aliens, would be like us to ants. Wouldn't you want to know even if they said one word or.
Jack: Yeah, be like, what is the one word that the ant is going to say? Yeah, like I would totally.
Cristina: They just say. They just scream all day or something. I don't know. But you will get to hear what's in their mind if there is something there.
Jack: I think like ants, we would just hear work, work, work, work, work, work, work over and over and over and over and work, work, work.
Cristina: What is the queen saying?
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Is the queen the same like the bee? The queen bee that she's just.
Jack: Yeah, the queen just chills at home. Yeah, they.
Cristina: That sucks. That's great. I guess, yeah.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: What would her word be?
Jack: I know, you tell me.
Cristina: Work.
Jack: Work. She's just screaming work. And they're like, okay, we're gonna work.
Cristina: Yeah. And then she's lashing them with her whip or something.
Jack: I mean, she isn't the slave driver. They're not slaves.
Cristina: They're not.
Jack: They volunteer, they're loyal, they're patriots.
Cristina: Oh, okay. They are. I thought they were more like the guys from Star Trek, that they're just together one minded.
Jack: Oh, the Borg.
Cristina: Yeah. Like it's not. It's kind of slavery still.
Jack: It's no in. In Star Trek, it's slavery.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because it's against their will. They've been forced. They're not part of this. They've been forced into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're born into it. And it's just their culture.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And culture is. We always protect the queen. We do whatever for her whenever. And we, you know, we're community. We work together to make everything function.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's totally the opposite of humans where we're like, nah, f*** this s***. Individualism. Then again, that's Western culture s***. Because Eastern culture has. They don't have as much individualism.
Cristina: Then what is their main thing? They work together.
Jack: Yeah. It's not individualism. The opposite of that would be unity.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: Individualism is problematic because, I mean, it distinguishes you from others.
Cristina: And that's a bad thing.
Jack: Yeah. Because we are kind of selfish.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Eastern culture has a complete and total lack of that. And like, family is really f****** important in Eastern culture. In Eastern culture, family is really important. Community is really important. You do whatever you can for your workplace. You do whatever you can for your family. You endure the hard times because it is important. Because society functions on sacrifice. Over here, my job sucks. I f****** quit.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Boom. Now that job has one less person that affects the economy in a minor way. But you put the collective of people across the entire country who just randomly quit a job and that tiny little hit. But collectively, ooh, the impact. And then we're like, well, our economy sucks. It's like casually abandoning jobs, casually picking up jobs only looking for jobs that we're under qualified to have, then underperforming at the job in the first place because I'm special and I deserve this. Meanwhile other places like, well, I'll start at the bottom. That's what everybody does. And then I'll work my way up if I earn it.
Cristina: Because it's about the company.
Jack: It's about making sure the company looks good. I'M part of the company and if I look good and I make the company look good, then I'm valuable and I go up in the company. Over here it's like, no. Well, you don't treat me that way because I'm an individual.
Cristina: The company is the enemy.
Jack: Yeah. Over here we fight. We're lazy, dude. Western people are f****** lazy.
Cristina: We are. That's why we have driving cars.
Jack: Self driving cars.
Cristina: Self driving cars. Like that's the future. That's. Everything's going to be like that.
Jack: Yeah. That's fair.
Cristina: Although we already do have stuff like that. Like those weird things the cops use. What is it that they. It just drives like a Segway. Yeah, Segway.
Jack: I don't walk anywhere. I stand and I just glide places.
Cristina: Yes. It's crazy that. Not. There's a lot of people using that. That's ridiculous.
Jack: You ever seen the skinny person use it?
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: I'm sure there's a few. They're on scooters. That's what they're doing. Electric scooters.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: It's the same thing.
Jack: Yeah, more or less.
Cristina: Yeah. It just looks cooler.
Jack: It's f****** weird, though. But I don't know, it's. Whatever. Individualism does fail hard, though. It's not designed like, the system isn't designed to have like the human system. The human isn't designed for individualism. That's a pretty recent concept.
Cristina: How recent?
Jack: Pretty recent? I don't know. At some point.
Cristina: At some point.
Jack: It used to not be that way, though, because it used to be. Think of Native Americans. Right? There wasn't like your kid. My kid. There was like the kid of the tribe.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And like kids crying. I don't tell you. Hey, your f****** kid is crying. Go handle your business. I go handle the kid. Because he's our kid, part of our tribe, and we take care of each other.
Cristina: Now. There's no trust, though, for that type of distraction. There's no tribe. Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. There's individualism.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: There is no tribe.
Cristina: Yes. And now we just don't trust anyone.
Jack: Yeah. Everybody's bad. Everybody's the enemy. It has to be me over you.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Always.
Cristina: Always. For everything.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: That's what the whole mass thing is about. Or pretty much everything on the news is about everything.
Jack: Always. Well, they. Yeah, they force it. They 100% try to force individualism on everybody because it keeps people divided, too. If you're united, then you're not like. Well, you're the enemy. No, no, no. We're the same. We're from the same class, we're from the same neighborhood where we go to the same schools, we work the same jobs. We're. We're the same.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Those people are the enemy. They can't have that. Western society needs you to, like, attack you because then you attack. Or if you're not attacking yourself, you're attacking them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Individualism is good for the elites, and.
Cristina: That'S why it's here.
Jack: That's why it's here.
Cristina: That's crazy. What?
Jack: There's way less corruption in Eastern culture.
Cristina: Are you sure? How do you know that?
Jack: Because there's way less corruption in Eastern culture. Usually the government is the one handling not. It's not even corrupted. It's just usually manipulating the people in, like, a blatantly obvious way. They're not corrupt and hidden in the shadows doing sketchy conspiracy s***. Like, there's crime everywhere. No s***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But over here, like, everybody is criminal. If you are elite, chances are you're doing something sketchy.
Cristina: Yes. Over there, it's not sketchy because it's out in the open a lot of the times.
Jack: Because it's all for the sake of the bigger picture.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Everybody's in. Like, honor is important in Eastern culture. Heavily.
Cristina: Yes. We don't have that.
Jack: We don't have that. So if you do something that violates your honor, you're kind of f***** up and your business might be screwed. And if you're a dishonorable person, you're probably going to be fired because you don't want to make the company look bad.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You see, it's really, really important over here. That doesn't matter at all.
Cristina: It doesn't.
Jack: What my question is, then, places like in Russia, does that count as Eastern culture? Sort of the middle ground, Right? A little bit of here, a little bit of there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because, like, are Russians united? I have no, like, I got no reference point for that.
Cristina: Are they. They're. They're Eastern, maybe.
Jack: You think. You think they're Eastern? That counts as an Eastern culture?
Cristina: Not sure.
Jack: I feel like they're kind of Western, but, like, I couldn't tell you for sure.
Cristina: I couldn't. No. They're very close to the Eastern culture.
Jack: They are literally touching Eastern countries. That's not the point of where they're, like, geographically located. I'm saying, like, what is their culture like?
Cristina: Huh? I had no idea.
Jack: It's interesting, right? Because based on what we hear, they're also communists, you know. Okay, great, whatever. So it's a communist country.
Cristina: But, like, how do they work together. Do they work together?
Jack: Do they work together? How are the people?
Cristina: How are the people? Yeah.
Jack: Interesting, right?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They do casually turn on each other. They have real rigid laws and stuff. Here's the flip side. Right. Individualism allows everybody to have a certain amount of rights and we acknowledge when they're being violated.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That does not exist in Eastern culture.
Cristina: It doesn't exist. What do you mean?
Jack: Okay, for example, protest. No. Like cops being racist towards black people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That doesn't happen in eastern culture where there's like a specific group of people that cops are being racist to and then it's being acknowledged in the news and in the media and people are rioting and doing things to solve that problem.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Does not happen because police are part of the system and you got to be united.
Cristina: Yes. So they're probably not being racist.
Jack: They're probably being racist somebody. But it's not being addressed or protest or fought or fixed. Because then that would make the police look bad.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So the individual doesn't matter. It matters that the police retains trust because when there's something really bad happening, we need the people to trust the police.
Cristina: Yes. What?
Jack: Over here we don't trust the police. Which means if something really bad were to happen, probably really bad things would continue to happen because we wouldn't allow the police to do their job. But when there isn't something really bad happening, the police are abusing their power anyways. Double edged sword on both ends. Because in the other side. Yes. We make sure that people trust the police no matter what. But then the police can casually abuse their power.
Cristina: Yep.
Jack: Without it ever being addressed.
Cristina: Why is it so easy for them to do that?
Jack: Interesting. I just think more places need to be like France.
Cristina: The whole protesting thing.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Whole country rises up.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's you. They're f******. They're western though.
Cristina: We did that.
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: In the summertime. Not this summer. Last summer. Yeah. But it was a one time event. But it happened.
Jack: It kind of wasn't necessarily though.
Cristina: It wasn't like France.
Jack: No, it wasn't like France because we had resistance from the people here too. It was not just the people striking against the government, but a whole other half of the people siding with the government.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: France is like the people versus the government. Here was like the people versus the people versus the government.
Cristina: Because it's always going to be like that here though.
Jack: Yeah. The problem is individualism. Left, right, Politics.
Cristina: Yes. Team. It's a team sport.
Jack: Every team base, you know.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's Problematic.
Cristina: Was that part of individualism? Why is there teams instead of one against all or I guess, yeah, one against all. Does the team make you feel like that still, I guess, gives you that same feeling of like, it's me against everyone else?
Jack: Well, here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. The left is really where individualism comes in. The right, it's so. Oh God, it's so weird and convoluted. Right.
Cristina: Because the right sometimes is about individualism or. No.
Jack: Well, let me explain. The left has the whole everybody is everybody, but we are together as a thing, doing the thing. So, you know, the government should decide unanimous things for large groups of people. And you know, it's going to decide to affect our medical systems and it's going to choose to provide programs and these things that are big giant sweeps that kind of remove individualism, affect everybody as a whole, and it shafts the individuals who disagree. Yeah, it's like, f*** your s***. So they're anti individual in that instant. But also that's politically speaking, because sociologically they're like, I'm a person and I'm like a black trans Z and he's a transracial person. And this guy over here is like, you know, all these weird labels that make us different. Well, I'm gay, I'm lesbian, I'm bi, I'm straight. Well, I'm gender this, gender that, and well, I'm goth and I'm preppy and like, individualism. Yeah, but politically speaking, the government should affect all of us at the same time.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then you go to the right and it flips where the right is like, no, we stand together. We stand together as individuals to f*** individuality. We gotta stand together and make sure we don't get screwed by the government. But then the second anything happens, politically speaking, they're like, but my rights. My rights are being violated. Yeah, I should have the right to. It's like, wait, you guys. You guys are weird because where they are individualists, you are together. And where you are together, they are individualists.
Cristina: When it comes to abortion, it's the opposite, though. Where the Democrats are like, it's our. My individual.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: While the Republicans are like, no, we got to do this together of not having.
Jack: Yeah, we got to band together and force them to do things. It's weird. It's like there's no consistency.
Cristina: No, no, there's not.
Jack: There's totally a.
Cristina: It's random.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: But once they decide the side that's the side they're Sticking to.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: And the other side, of course, picks the opposite because that's just how the game goes.
Jack: That's f****** weird, right?
Cristina: Yes. It's a team sport.
Jack: It is a team sport, and it depends on which team you are. And you don't even need to have the belief. I actually had this conversation recently in which the problem with knowing the names of people. This is a conversation about philosophy. Right. And I was explaining why I don't like knowing philosopher names. The same reason I like. I don't know why somebody did something in chemistry. Like, I don't care why you came up with the thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I'm fascinated by the chemistry.
Cristina: You don't care how they grew up.
Jack: Yeah. I don't care about your story or whatever.
Cristina: F***.
Jack: In philosophy, the problem is, if you have a set of ideologies that comes from one individual, and you're familiar with the individual and you agree with the majority of what they say, you try to base your identity on everything they said because you're familiar with the individual.
Cristina: They'Re gonna agree with everything.
Jack: You're gonna try. And you're gonna try to justify everything based on. Because. Well, I agree with 75% of everything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The other 25%. Yeah, that too. I'm gonna figure out how it fits. But if you don't know the names or who, you don't know. Well, these seven ideas came from the same guy.
Cristina: Yeah. You just pick and choose what you truly believe.
Jack: Exactly. You just know the seven individual ideas.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You have no idea they came from the same guy. And you're like. Well, three of them make sense. The other four can kiss my a**. That doesn't make any sense. Now you grab. You pick and choose from everybody.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And you build a cohesive framework for your personality. The philosophies that work for you, that is.
Cristina: That's the way to do it. Wow.
Jack: Yes. Versus, well, Descartes at this, this and that. And I know that's kind of crazy over there, but also, I kind of have. I have to. Even if you don't know you're doing that, your mind is doing that because you're relating to the guy and you want to relate to the most excruciating detail.
Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting. They should just take the good and separate the bad. Yeah.
Jack: Yes. But people don't do that.
Cristina: Like Freud. Lots of people don't like a lot of things Freud said, but I'm sure there's some good stuff there too. That's why people learn about him.
Jack: Yeah. A lot of what he discussed was psychology, not physiology or genetics. He had a lot of crap that he thought was coming from genetics. And like, biologically you want to do this? Yeah, it's like, not really, dude. Yeah, but there were a lot of psychology things that were accurate. Yeah, many, many, many. But the problem is. Well, I'm familiar with Freud and he proposed this in psychology, which turned out true. Which means that his proposals about genetics must be accurate.
Cristina: Which makes no sense.
Jack: Which makes no f****** sense.
Cristina: The idea of just taking what you like makes a. Like so much.
Jack: But in order to do that effectively, because your mind is going to try to guide you onto the whole team sport aspect of it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You need to not be familiar with.
Cristina: The individual, but you could at least know their names.
Jack: Why?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Because if you know the person's name and you know all the others they came from.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Because what would be the. Okay, I know Descartes was a philosopher, but I don't know what he offered, so who gives a s***?
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Who is Descartes? Well, I know he said stuff.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, it's only valuable if you know what he said. Otherwise who cares about his name?
Cristina: Okay, so just take the ideas.
Jack: Yeah. You should ignore the philosoph, the philosopher, and only know the philosophies. Because if you are familiar with the philosopher and you want to identify with.
Cristina: The philosopher, that's where it gets all muddy and stuff.
Jack: Muddy. Yes, that's exactly what happens with politics.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It doesn't need to make sense. They said Republican and you said you're Republican.
Cristina: So now you must relate in every Republican idea. Yes.
Jack: All the Republican ideas you must relate with. Now if I grabbed all the ideas from both sides. From both sides and didn't tell you who is supporting what at the moment. I told you, one candidate has some of them, the other candidate has some of them. Here are all the ideas. I need you to check off which ones you agree with.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then you wrote them off. You'd be blown away by how many on the other side.
Cristina: That would be so interesting because it might be 50. 50, who knows? We have no idea because everyone always sticks to their team. What if we did it that way? I wonder how gray it would be. Very gray.
Jack: Could just. It's that experiment that happened on. On YouTube. Right. That they walked up to a bunch of Republicans, Trump supporters, specifically.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And they went up to them with Hitler quotes and said Trump said them. And they were like, yeah, I agree.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: And they were just. Because they think Trump Said it. They're just agreeing by default. Their mind as well. Trump said this. I agree. From this point, even if they don't know what's happening.
Cristina: Yeah, that's the state. Because that's their team leader.
Jack: Yes. But the same thing could be done for the left where they're like, well, these are all liberal ideologies and we want to know which ones of them you agree with. And if you're already identified as a liberal and they approach them with these totally Republican ideologies, you're like, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, well, no, it was done.
Jack: Both of those are videos on YouTube where they're just proving that people are supporting their own biases. It's all confirmation bias.
Cristina: Yes. I feel like they've done that with religious quotes too.
Jack: Yes, they've totally done that with. Yeah, specifically Christianity where they've approached them with random quotes from other books and.
Cristina: Like, yeah, you like this one. And of course people are gonna like it and.
Jack: Yeah, because I think it's not from the Bible that they never f****** picked up once.
Cristina: Yeah, yep.
Jack: It's all. It's team sports. You're just gonna side with your team no matter what, even if it doesn't make sense.
Cristina: Cheer them on, whether they're winning or losing.
Jack: Fanatics versus players. The player knows the nuances. Yeah, they understand. Well, this a****** on my team is the reason we're f****** failing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You're like, no, everybody on that team is better than everybody on that other team that I'm against. F*** that other team. But the people who are playing, you're the fanatic. You're like, my team over that team. But the people on the field are like, man, Bob is on our team. Bob sucks. He's the reason we always f****** up. But the f****** fans are like, well, Bob is part of the team, therefore, yeah, my team. Bob's a s*** because he's on my team.
Cristina: Politicians acting like, I guess, players.
Jack: Yes. They turn on each other because they know who's crooked, who's corrupt, who's the problem and who's not.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But the fans are gonna support those people no matter what until they've been removed from the team. And then like, no, that guy was a problem. Yeah, like now you think so?
Cristina: Cuz team going against one person, it doesn't matter why they're going against that person. You're probably, if you're on that, you're rooting for that team. You're like, yeah, okay, I guess he sucks.
Jack: Yeah, you flip, you flip on whoever. If the Other team members do.
Cristina: Yeah. What? It is like a sport.
Jack: It is a sport. It's 100% a sport. But we're taught it's a sport.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: What is politics if not debate team? They give you a random topic that you're. You don't even necessarily need to support the topic.
Cristina: No.
Jack: You just have to argue in its favor. That is literally what happens in debate team. You get put on one of two sides and you're just gonna argue the point whether or not you agree with the point. They're not saying, what do you believe? Support why you believe it. They're saying, here's your topic. Learn to defend this topic, whether or not you agree, because you're on that team. That's the logic here. You're on that team when you're just.
Cristina: The other people on that team. You all have to still agree to that thing.
Jack: Yeah, we're taught to think that way.
Cristina: Yes. But is that happening in all the other Western countries? Are they all team players as well?
Jack: Interesting. I. Yeah, I think it's all left, right. I think that's really Western thing. It's democracy. Everything is left, right. There's barely any other f****** teams. Some countries rarely. But some countries have multiple different parties that can run. But on average, you got some sort of conservative versus liberal ideology going on. Conservative versus progressive.
Cristina: But in Western. No, Eastern culture. What would that be like? They have to have parties too, right? They probably have all the parties.
Jack: China doesn't. Let's just say dictatorship.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Does Russia.
Cristina: So is Russia. So is Russia. Now, Western, Eastern crap.
Jack: I don't know. Because eastern culture includes South Korea and they have democracy and you elect. So it's not just. You are Eastern, therefore.
Cristina: No. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: You are like in a dictatorship.
Cristina: No.
Jack: You're not communist just because you are Eastern.
Cristina: No, it's more complicated.
Jack: Yeah, but I don't really know because I'm sure. But then South Korea is way more together, you know, like, they might not agree with their leader, but they all stand by him. Yeah, that's very different. It's like, well, he's the guy we have right now. We just deal with him for the meantime over here. We're like, f****** get him out. F*** that guy. He sucks. We won't protest, right? It's like, wow, we're not united.
Cristina: We're not over there.
Jack: We don't agree with him. But, you know, he. Let's give him a chance. Let's figure it out. Next guy comes in, well, election time. We'll figure it out.
Cristina: It feels Like, I don't know, over here. It's a mess. It's kind of a mess right now. Yeah, everyone sees it as a mess.
Jack: When has it not? We had a civil war.
Cristina: We had a civil war. Yeah.
Jack: Like, when was this not a mess? Yeah, like, let's. Let's backtrack, right?
Cristina: It's always been a mess.
Jack: Yeah, it was. Biden isn't the mess we get. Let's go back to. Well, Trump is in the mess. Okay. Let's go back to Obama. No, Obama is in this. Okay.
Cristina: The first president.
Jack: Yeah. Because we go to Bush. Well, no, Bush wasn't. It's a Clinton. He's a good. No, it wasn't Reagan, was it? No, it wasn't. Like, who was it? Because everybody was.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The closest thing, the flawless we had was Teddy Roosevelt. And he was crazy controversial.
Cristina: Yes. He's the guy that shot that guy, right?
Jack: No, you're thinking about Nixon.
Cristina: Oh, Richard Nixon.
Jack: Was it Nixon? Somebody, I don't know. Somebody shot somebody. I know you're talking about, but yeah. No, it's kind of f***** like that.
Cristina: It is. It's all our fault though. We. We're on. What is this? Sacred Indian burial land.
Jack: It wasn't originally and I don't, to be fair, I don't think the. Were the Indians spread out across the entire country evenly.
Cristina: What if they were?
Jack: That's crazy.
Cristina: A lot of dead people.
Jack: Like, we don't know then. This isn't discussed. This isn't taught in school. We know, we came and like, we're loosely taught, you know, Christopher Columbus, he's a hero. He discovered. You didn't discover s***. There were people here. But he's a hero and he brought America. He's America. He's the reason America and whatever. Right. So we know, you know, some people died, some people died. But let's, let's really think about this really, really hard. Christopher Columbus entered through the east, right. And then even until the. What is it, early 1800s, when cowboys and s*** are still happening. Late 1700s, early 1800s, when the west is starting to be filled out, who were they fighting? The f****** Native Americans.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So the Native Americans didn't just stretch from the east age all the way all the way to the west, it went all the way. So they covered every inch of everything all the way until the west, where the Wild west was at.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And we still were murdering them that whole time. We didn't stop murdering them until there were no more.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the question is, we don't get told the numbers. But what are the numbers?
Cristina: It's high. So high.
Jack: Were they in the millions, probably, or were they small tribes and we're just picking them off?
Cristina: I'm saying millions.
Jack: You say millions, right?
Cristina: Like we keep finding schools with dead children and those are in the hundreds.
Jack: But from when was that? How far back is that?
Cristina: 1800S, you think? I think so.
Jack: And the Wild west was what, late 1700s? Early 1800s, yeah. So then those schools are in the east, because in the west we weren't even building school. We're just. We're cowboys. They're killing everybody.
Cristina: Oh, they could have been in the east. They have been everywhere. Churches go everywhere. They don't care.
Jack: And then the other problem is, like, it's western culture, right? Because even Canada is guilty of this.
Cristina: Canada, yes. They. They were in. That was Canada, actually.
Jack: Yeah, yeah. Oh, also, just when. When the westerns go east, think of like the natives in Australia. Whole f****** island just now we're extincting. These m************ belongs to us.
Cristina: That's crazy. Most islands. How did some islands survive? How is Hawaii people still alive?
Jack: What do you mean? We've colonized the s*** out of them.
Cristina: Yeah, but they're still Hawaiians.
Jack: Well, we sort of enslave them. We give them no option but to work at these jobs because all their prices went up because they're a state and the rich people usually vacation there, which means they can afford all the things. So it can afford to be really jacked up. So that forces the Hawaiians to have to work at the businesses that cater to the white people in the first place in order to be able to get the money that then allows them to go and pay their bills because their homes must be absorbently priced because the area is extremely expensive, because the white people go there to shop with their rich money on vacation. So it's indirect slavery. It's systematic racism.
Cristina: Then if they can't afford there, then how many Literally what happened still in Hawaii?
Jack: Yeah, exactly. That's totally what's happening. A bunch of Hawaiians cannot afford what's happening. It's actually. That was in the news like a month ago, what they were talking about, how this is becoming such a ridiculous problem. People can't afford anything.
Cristina: It's crazy. Where are they going to go? California, I guess. No, no one can live there either.
Jack: California is too expensive.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: On the flip side, we're also like on. We're also the problem people. Here's the problem people. Rich people left California because fires, not because prices. Poor people left California because prices.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But rich people are like, I'm not gonna f****** suffocate in a cloud of fire. And we're in a similar situation over here where we're like poor people leave because the prices keep going up.
Cristina: Yes. Prices are insane.
Jack: The rest of us are just here like, why are they leaving?
Cristina: Yeah. But then soon water will drown us out.
Jack: Yeah. And then we're all going to get the f*** out of here because the water the same way all the rich people left California because of the fires.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's really what's happening. And eventually we'll go to the center.
Cristina: Where there's nothing but tornadoes and earthquakes.
Jack: Yeah, but tornadoes and earthquakes. I guess the only safe spot. Right. Like what does Texas deal with? I don't know.
Cristina: They had a crazy snowstorm.
Jack: That doesn't happen.
Cristina: That doesn't normally happen. But things are changing.
Jack: There's no such thing as climate change.
Cristina: There's no such thing.
Jack: Yeah. That's a new thing that's become a meme at this point. Just people saying there's no such thing as climate. I've seen so many.
Cristina: Really.
Jack: Yeah, there's people. There's no such thing as climate change.
Cristina: What? What?
Jack: Yeah, but like ironically saying, yeah, yeah. Like they're watching again. I was telling you about this the other day. The one about Anakin talking to Padme, looking to. Just thinking about the future and Padme sees everybody drowning and. No, it's not even. Yeah, yeah. So something like that. It's the one where. Is that her name, Padme? I'm pretty sure it is. And she looks at Anakin and she's like, there's no global warming, there's no a climate change in the future. Right. And then she's like, right, that one.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I mean so it's like in the first shot, there's no climate change in the future. And he's looking at her and she says, right. And then there's a shot of the future and everybody's just drowning. And then his face is still the same neutral. And now her face is all serious. Is like, right, Yep, yep.
Cristina: That's life right now.
Jack: I've seen a lot of that. Yeah. People at this point is like, how can you still deny climate change at this point?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Between. In the Tri State area, there have been seven tornadoes in a two month period.
Cristina: When has there ever been tornadoes?
Jack: When has there ever been tornadoes in the Tri State area? There have been seven actually. That's wrong. There were seven in one during just the Ida Storm.
Cristina: Really? I thought that was the total.
Jack: No, because there were four beforehand. Yeah, that's 11 tornadoes.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: In the tri state area in two months, seven of which happen on a.
Cristina: Two day period versus the zero of forever.
Jack: Yes. First is the zero of every other moment.
Cristina: Yes, that's where we are. Yeah. What we gotta get out of here.
Jack: The zero of always.
Cristina: Everyone's gotta start making bunkers.
Jack: Yeah, we're kind of getting there on the flip side as it gets, man. The problem is people don't understand what climate change is really because they just like, oh, it's getting hot. Well, that's wrong too. It's getting colder in some areas that. Well, there's a reason why that's happening. Like the equator isn't warming up, it's getting cooler. Why is the equator getting cooler? Well, it's because what's happening is the poles are shifting forcefully. Magnetism relies on the core heat of the planet and the core heat of the planet is being shifted externally inward. So we're f****** up the pole system.
Cristina: How are we doing that?
Jack: Well, that's what pollution is doing.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: And so what's going to happen is we're going to have a reversal, but it takes a long time. Except we're putting that b**** on fast forward.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And instead of gradually the change flipping and we don't even notice, it happens because there's a usual like ice age that comes every once in a blue and like really warm periods that comes once in a blue every couple of billion years or million years, whatever.
Cristina: But we fast forward.
Jack: Yeah, we got that s***. Fast forward hard. And so it's starting to flip as we're like in one lifetime. We're seeing it happen rather than millions and millions and millions of years. We're seeing it happen in like the same 10 year period.
Cristina: That's crazy. The world's just gonna be that world. You remember that movie with. Oh man, I forgot the name of the actor. No, it was a space movie where his daughter was in space, but he didn't know he was communicating with her because he was imaginating that a little girl was with him. The whole world was covered in snow and radiation. Do you remember that?
Jack: No, no.
Cristina: Oh crap. I can't remember the name of anything. I think Mel Gibson, was he the actor. Crap.
Jack: Just tell me the plot of the movie.
Cristina: Well, he was with a little girl because everyone just left out of earth except these two. There was a crew of astronauts who went to a planet to look for a good place.
Jack: Yes, I Remember? I don't know if it was Mel Gibson. I do remember the movie you were talking about, though. And he stood behind, like, it might have been Mel Gibson, actually.
Cristina: He stood up behind because he's dying, so there's no point of leaving. I think that's why.
Jack: No, he. There was something. There was some system he. That somebody needed to stay behind to work on to make sure that they can escape or whatever. He. There was like, the rocket's gonna blow up or something. We need somebody to stay behind it, like, save us or whatever. There's something on Earth, a station or something he needed to get to to like press a button or something. And he was taking the little girl to get there. But the reason he was okay for staying behind is because he was dying. Yeah, but he's still like, I can do it. I'm gonna die anyways.
Cristina: Yeah, but that wasn't because the people told him to stay there, because he.
Jack: He stayed because he was dying.
Cristina: Yeah, he said he was dying. And then he got contact from people from coming to Earth, and he's trying to get them to go away. If they land, they die.
Jack: D***. I don't remember this. Yes. I don't remember the name of the movie, but I know exactly because the movie began and he was already there and they had already left.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We begin by him getting a weird message.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He's like, oh, I have to get there before they are too close to turn around. Yes, that's what it was.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I spoiled the thing of. It was his daughter the whole time. But whatever. It's a great movie, but the Earth, that's the important part.
Jack: Daughter was the one coming into the planet.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, she was pregnant, man.
Jack: Was it Mel Gibson?
Cristina: I feel like it was.
Jack: I don't remember the name of this movie. If somebody knows, leave it in the comments below. You remember Ray William Johnson? Where does it. It depends.
Cristina: In Apple it's below.
Jack: In Apple it's below. But where is it on top?
Cristina: I don't know. I just hope there's a place that.
Jack: I'm sure there's a place that it's on top and it's like, probably like it doesn't expand from the top, but there's a button on top where you click and it takes you to a comment section and then there you can drop a comment, but it was technically on top of the episode before you entered the menu that then allowed you in the first place to drop the comments. That's technically over above.
Cristina: And if it was YouTube live video.
Jack: It would be on the side as well as now. We've always been on Facebook, and you can go listen to the show on Facebook, but the new edition is the f******. Like, if you're on the Facebook app, you can actually listen to the show directly streamed through Facebook now. We don't even have to, like, upload it separately onto Facebook now it just goes live on Facebook immediately. I'm blown away by that.
Cristina: And do you know where the comments are there?
Jack: I don't know. But when you have a Facebook alive, it's also on the side like it is on YouTube.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Interesting.
Cristina: But the whole point was how the Earth was at that moment. That's our Earth. That's where we're heading.
Jack: Yeah. Switching the poles. And here's the thing. My question is. Right. My question is, do we know what happened on Earth in that.
Cristina: In that movie?
Jack: In that movie?
Cristina: No, not really.
Jack: Are we. Is it arguable that while this guy's experiencing this and trying to stop those people from entering somewhere else in the same country, there's a man walking with his son and everybody else has died or left the planet and nothing but savages are talking about the other? Yeah. Can you imagine?
Cristina: It's the same. You know what? I thought the whole world was covered in snow, but maybe it's just where he's at. So maybe that's possible.
Jack: What, in the road?
Cristina: No, in the movie.
Jack: Well, here's the thing. We think in the road, it's ash.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And like, it could be, but also everything is just white. So it could also be snow. It could be a combination of ash and snow.
Cristina: Yes. It's happening in the same time.
Jack: This could be set in the same universe.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Except for whatever reason in that universe, everybody's paired with a child.
Cristina: Well, he's. One of them is an imaginary child.
Jack: Yes. Which is to tell me that somewhere in that same universe, there's a zombie infection where a man named Joel is escorting a girl named Ellie.
Cristina: And in that place, it's never snowing.
Jack: And in that place it's never. No, they go through snow. There's a whole snow section in that game.
Cristina: But there's no global warming thing going on. It's just zombies.
Jack: Interesting. If it ain't. I mean, it's not happening here too, though. We're the zombies, though.
Cristina: Yeah, we're the zombies.
Jack: We're the zombies. It's a little of everything we're out there just wasn't. Man, that's f*****. Right? We're over here thinking, like Zombies are gonna take over at some point. No f****** random other s*** robots are gonna turn on us and crap. We got f****** Elon Musk just starting. F****** Skynet's already real.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's just drones falling out of sky, murdering people. Thank you, Obama. But we got Elon Musk just innovating the tech that's eventually gonna be stolen by the government anyways and put in that same f****** drone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Eventually that robot's gonna be like, f****** kill humans. Because humans are the problem. And then we got Terminator, bro.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We're thinking like the Terminator is gonna kill us, but it's also. No, climate change is gonna kill us, but also 2020, there were zombies and it was us and we were just breaking into buildings and f****** fighting people on the street and setting s*** on fire. Yeah, we were the zombie apocalypse.
Cristina: Yes, we are. Wow. We had everything happening.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: This is the apocalypse.
Jack: Yeah. I saw a meme that was like, how crazy is it that it's 2021, which is 2020 part two, and you're still not done processing 2019.
Cristina: 2019.
Jack: Yeah. Everybody's still like, well, that was a good moment. And then what was it? The meme is, There's January of 2020, February of 2020, then March, then a bunch of black boxes, just emptiness.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then today.
Cristina: Oh, like it's just like.
Jack: That's just one blur. That's one moment that looks the same from every point of view of a disaster.
Cristina: Pretty much, yeah.
Jack: It's just a mess. And it's still going.
Cristina: And it's still going. Yeah. And they. I think I saw recently that Kobe's never going to go away.
Jack: Yeah, it's never going to go away. It's the flu.
Cristina: Yeah. So it's the cold. It was weird though, because it said like scientists said that, but it was a poll. So they like polled became scientists. Yes. Here's the thing.
Jack: Because of, because of the short turnaround period of the immune system that we have for this thing, it's not going away.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Two months before you can get infected again. You're not gonna get a booster shot.
Cristina: Every two months anyway. Yeah, it's just delta further currently, but we'll find something else.
Jack: D***. It's the end of the world, isn't it? See, like we're watching a slow burn.
Cristina: But it's slow burn.
Jack: It's the end. Give or take 10 years, it's over.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's what's happening. It's not like, well, meteor hit, everybody died.
Cristina: No, it's like there's constantly a meteor about to hit, though. I feel like that's always happening.
Jack: No, people, it's. No, there's always a meteor in the area. And people get exaggerated. They're like, is this the one that's gonna hit? The problem is sensationalist news.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which is what happened with COVID And everybody panicked. But on the flip side, s*** kind of keeps turning up lately. But, like, I've still never met a person who had the virus. And like, anything bad happened. Actually, I've never met somebody who had the virus. I a hundred percent have had no interaction with this virus. And I've stopped hiding from society. I'm just outside hanging out. Never in my f****** life met somebody with it. It's kind of weird. Dude is still kind of sketchy. And I know place are like, well, they had. And this and that. It's like, cool. I'm sure you believe that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And like, maybe something happened. But like, I've never met anybody with it. I've never met anybody who met anybody with it. I don't know of anybody who knows personally anybody who had something bad happen because of it. Everybody's fine. Always. Except I turn on the news and it's like millions are dying.
Cristina: Yes. Well, I know a few people who had it and they just lost their sense of taste or whatever the common.
Jack: Briefly. Yeah, like, briefly. Yeah, for like a. For like a moment.
Cristina: Hey, they felt really sick.
Jack: What's the difference between that and the flu?
Cristina: Yeah, the flu.
Jack: For a couple of days. Cut over it.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah. That's their story. So.
Jack: Yeah, I had the flu. Had the flu, man. What the f***? So weird. Where the mass graves? I live in one of the most populated places on the planet. Where are the mass graves? There's nothing more densely populated than where I am. I don't. I've never in my life met a person with the f******. How.
Cristina: I don't know. They had trucks. Where did those trucks go?
Jack: The trucks were on the news. I live next to one of the. The largest hospitals. Where the f*** were the trucks?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: The same hospital that allegedly had the trucks. You go there and there's no trucks. Why is the news telling me that there's trucks? There's a s*** ton of trucks. And then I go there the day that they said there's a ton of trucks because I got a morbid interest in seeing it. And then there's nothing. Nothing at all. And every day they tell me I could go, and there's nothing. You go into the Hospital. Nobody. Just normal flow of patience. Where the f*** is any of it on tv? On tv?
Cristina: Besides that? I don't know.
Jack: Is TV showing us an alternate universe?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or is it heavily sensational and we're eating it like it's reality?
Cristina: I like the first one, but I'm sure the second one.
Jack: The second one's probably reality. Like, I'm sure there is a virus. I'm sure there's a virus.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's nowhere near as bad as people are saying 1%. And out of that 1% that even has symptoms, 96% already had health conditions, most of which were poor diets.
Cristina: What the f*** you're talking about? Like, that's the people that caught it or died.
Jack: People who died. People who had bad reactions. 1% of everybody who touched the virus, 1% had bad reactions. And out of that 1%, 96% had bad medical conditions already or were obese. The majority were obese.
Cristina: Okay then, man. Then I think we'll be fine.
Jack: This is what blows my mind. But then the flip side is, what is. Is it because we tune into the news? Is that the goal? We're so scared. We're gonna keep tuning in to keep catching up. And then they keep getting paid because we keep tuning in. Because they're always making it sound crazy. And they're our source.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But then it creates a division because these guys said this, and this guy said, well, this is my team.
Cristina: So the teams are happening with this too. There's so many team events with the COVID Yeah. First it was a mass and it was the vaccine.
Jack: Life has become a spectator sport. Tranquility Hotel by the Arctic Monkeys make sure to catch up on that album. That is a flawlessly perfect album. Life became a spectator sport. That is reality.
Cristina: That is reality.
Jack: We're hiding in our homes, watching TV to find out what's happening directly outside our door.
Cristina: Yes. Seeing all the deaths that are happening next door.
Jack: Yeah. And then you go outside and it's like, well, it ain't happening out here. Let me go inside to watch it happen. Because, you know, they're telling me it's outside my door. I don't see it. But, like, if I go inside, I see it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I'm gonna watch it from inside them.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Well, that's weird, right?
Cristina: That is weird.
Jack: So f****** strange.
Cristina: There's something horribly wrong there.
Jack: But, yeah, this. Like, that's the only f****** horribly wrong thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Oh, s***'s f*****. There's so much wrong in general.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: I don't even know, man. What do we do? What do we do?
Cristina: Turn off the tv.
Jack: Turn off the tv. Go the f*** outside.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Just. Just go outside. Go explore the outside world, people. That's a real place.
Cristina: The outside tv. When you're outside. Yeah, don't talk about that with you.
Jack: Don't touch your phone. I. I do something really good. I don't touch my phone. I'm outside. If you see that your Instagram photos or your Facebook photos took place outside, not when you're home bored, doing nothing. Fine, whatever. But if when you're outside, you're not outside, but rather you just outside, but inside your phone.
Cristina: Because you're taking those pictures.
Jack: Because you're taking those pictures. If you see that your pictures took place outside, maybe leave your phone when you go outside. Go outside without your phone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: When you don't have your phone and you're outside, you're suddenly gonna realize there's f****** nothing going on.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's nothing happening. You just walk. You can just walk somewhere and be like, oh, oh, wow.
Cristina: That's fine.
Jack: I didn't get murdered. The f******. I think it radiated to death.
Cristina: Radiated today?
Jack: Yeah, whatever.
Cristina: F***.
Jack: They think climate change is happening or what a f***.
Cristina: Just.
Jack: I think that's a virus and die.
Cristina: The cause of global roaming. Warming.
Jack: Global roar. Roaming.
Cristina: 5G.
Jack: Right, 5G.
Cristina: So that's the thing.
Jack: I mean, your phone roams or whatever.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You leave the country, turn on your roaming, your global roaming, your phone is.
Cristina: Causing the environment to get destroyed.
Jack: Probably.
Cristina: Yeah. So let. Let it go.
Jack: Yeah. Leave your phone.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: No, really. Really, it really is. Everybody gets their news through the phone. Everybody panics. Your phone is destroying the world.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Cell phones have destroyed the world. It's not the Internet. If you were trapped at home on the Internet, you go outside, you can't bring.
Cristina: You're not bringing that.
Jack: You can't bring it. So now you're outside and you're gonna go riot or whatever. Right. And then you just end up talking to the person instead of confirming more of your crazy s*** by walking around on your phone.
Cristina: Mm, no.
Jack: Now you just engage with the person outside. You're like, oh, I guess the inside was wrong about the outside.
Cristina: But if you're on your phone, you're gonna be saying whatever it says on your phone to say.
Jack: Yeah, you'd be walking outside on your phone. Right. Looking at the COVID numbers. Oh, it's everywhere. And you just see everybody is healthy and walking around, and you're like, no, it's everywhere. Everybody's dying while you're surrounded by people who aren't dying. Oh, no. It's everywhere. Oh, my God, it's so scary. I'm putting my mask on and everybody's just fine walking around you. You're just blocking out the reality that's happening around you. I'm not saying there's no virus. I'm saying even the scientists can tell you that it is ridiculous. It is 1%, and out of that 1%, 96% are already f*****. Yes, there's climate change, of course. It was always gonna happen anyways. We're just accelerating the rate. Yes, that's our fault and yes, that's causing crazy f****** storms.
Cristina: Ridiculous.
Jack: Yes, but also, the world hasn't ended. Oh, my God. I'm not gonna. No, we're just gonna move to different parts of the f****** planet. The world isn't ending. You're just bit because you're. What you're used to is changing.
Cristina: Yeah, the f***. Things are gonna be built differently. I guess that's.
Jack: Yeah, that's pretty much it. We migrate. It happens.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How did humanity make it through so many different ice ages? We just f****** migrate, man. We move where we are. That's fine.
Cristina: That's fine.
Jack: Anyways, everything is fake news is the point.
Cristina: Yes, that's the point.
Jack: Yeah, I guess.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Yes, everything is fake news. Everybody plays teams or whatever. Yeah, I guess. Anyways, that's. I guess that's the moral of the story. Everybody plays teams. We're all crazy. We don't know what we're talking about. All eastern countries are paranoid.
Cristina: Ending and not ending.
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Cristina: Yeah.
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Cristina: Because she danced and then she asked him to show she. What did she say? Kick some fly s***. What does that mean? I guess say something impressive.
Jack: Kick some. Oh, no. Rap.
Cristina: Yeah. And then he said that he has wings on his b***. And then he showed her his d***.
Jack: Well, no, he told her.
Cristina: She. She did not say the.
Jack: Hey, stick is.
Cristina: So she danced first. She did not show him her v*****. And then say, rap for me.
Jack: Yeah, I think they were f******. And her dirty talk was like. Instead of dirty talking to me, tell him like, rap at me. That's what you're good at. Which is the point of the verse in the first place. He's saying his words are so good that during sex, what they want isn't for him to be like, you like that. No, they're like, rap at. That's the point of this whole verse is to say his bars are so good.
Cristina: Then it sounds like they had sex afterwards. I feel like I told.
Jack: I talked to your mother. She told me she loved me because she knows he's Eminem.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: All she want to do is hold me and hug me. Wants nobody but me. She showed me the Dougie. Like, she's trying. She's putting out. She's like, let's. And while they're. She says, kick some fly. To which he says, I got wings on my a** and my d*** is a cockpit. They're having sex and she wants the dirty talk to be his rap. That's it. That's what the verse means. There's nothing to debate there. That's what the verse means. He didn't. How weird is it that she just danced for him when he's who she's trying to impress? Not with. Not even that. She's not trying to impress him. No. She's letting him know, I'm in love with you. You're Eminem, the rap God. And while they're f******, she's like, rap for me. That's what the verse is. Okay, I don't think she danced. I think Dougie in this context is forger. Verger. Verger.
Cristina: Mm. You don't agree because from the urban dictionary just talked about the dance.
Jack: F*** Urban Dictionary. Also, it did say one of the entries was that it is a reference for sex.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I think in this. In this verse, Dougie is her Cooter. Her Verger.
Cristina: That's just an awful name for it.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Although there's a bunch of awful names already.
Jack: Like, Cooter is pretty bad. I think Cooter is way worse than Dougie. That's why I keep saying Cooter. I'd rather say v*****, but it's so PC.
Cristina: V*****. Species.
Jack: Yeah. I'd rather say cooter. Hooter or p**** or c***.
Cristina: Durgie. I don't like Dougie.
Jack: Fergie.
Cristina: Fergie. Fergie. You have a Fergie?
Jack: My Fergie.
Cristina: We should all name it Fergie.
Jack: She showed me her Fergie and told me to spit some fire.
Cristina: Fergie.
Jack: All right.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.