Rambling 144: The Five Strong Forces
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If magic part of ‘The Force?’ Are the Cat People of Lochness using magic or highly advanced technology that seems like magic to primitive minds? Is God the source of ‘The Force’ or just another being using its power? The duo unpacks nature’s most complex question and uncovers truths never expected. What is the Fifth Natural Force?
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Topics Discussed:
- Gryffindor
- Mars
- Zombies
- Cat People
- Fullmetal Alchemist
- The Gate
- God
- The Force
- The Nothing
- Adrenochrome
- Cat Gods
- Zombies vs Vampires
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
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Cristina: Also, this show is most enjoyable with a listening partner to share opinions and ideas on topics we discuss.
Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody to listen to the show with. That's it?
Cristina: That's it?
Jack: That's it.
Cristina: Nothing dangerous.
Jack: Why would end it be dangerous?
Cristina: Because it's always dangerous.
Jack: Who said?
Cristina: You say. You always say.
Jack: I've never used the words dangerous.
Cristina: No, but you suggest horrible things.
Jack: Like what?
Cristina: Like man, what did you suggest last week?
Jack: Who knows? You're making it all up. We don't do the cancer part.
Cristina: We don't do the cancer.
Jack: No, the cancer just happens to people. There's something that's different.
Cristina: That's true.
Jack: Cancer just happens to people.
Cristina: What about that time where that guy we. Oh, I guess you don't. You say. You said last week though that or an episode or two ago that you don't tell people what to do. You're just saying what a random person is doing.
Jack: Yeah. Because the odds are somebody's doing this. There's 7 billion people in the world.
Cristina: Yes. And one of them is fighting a Gryffindor in the forest.
Jack: A Gryffindor. So to be. So to get this straight, somebody is fighting.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: A wizard. No, out in the forest.
Cristina: Not a wizard. Gryffindor. Not. Oh, not that. Oh crap. Whatever the bird is called. Is it?
Jack: So somebody's fighting a wizard bird?
Cristina: No. What's the bird?
Jack: Cause so for those of you who want to share this show with somebody and you happen to be a wizard from Gryffindor.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You can share this with your classmates.
Cristina: Cassan's fighting a wizard. Okay. No. What is that bird then?
Jack: The griffin.
Cristina: The griffin. Okay. Someone in the forest was fighting a griffin.
Jack: No, they're fighting a Gryffindor. We're talking the end of the world. We have black magic versus white magic and they're going at it in the woods. This is the last Harry Potter film, isn't it? That's what's happening. That took place in the woods or some s***. It was like both in the school and then in the woods. Cuz they were like teleporting back and forth or some s***.
Cristina: I didn't see the last movies. Like, I didn't see lots of those movies.
Jack: I sat down and I saw all of in one sitting.
Cristina: That's pretty horrible.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was very bad.
Cristina: Why didn't you do that with Lord of the Rings?
Jack: It would have been about the same amount of time.
Cristina: Are you sure?
Jack: Lord of the Rings is like nine hours long in three movies.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Well, Harry Potter's like an hour and a half each. Yeah, seven movies.
Cristina: Okay, there's a lot of movies. That's a lot of movies. Okay, that's up there. Yeah. Well, not Griffin. Gryffindors.
Jack: Look, the Gryffindors are a dangerous group of people. But there's a good guys, right? Yeah, there's good guys. The Gryffindors. They're dangerous or powerful.
Cristina: There's probably bad Gryffindors, though.
Jack: Aren't all the bad people from, like, Slytherin?
Cristina: There's probably because they slither.
Jack: Yeah, it's probably.
Cristina: That's stereotyping.
Jack: That is stereotyping. That being said, if I were to be a wizard, I'd rather Slytherin. Gryffindor. Pretentious. Like Goody Two Shoes. You guys are whack.
Cristina: I want it to be Ravenclaw.
Jack: Yeah, Ravenclaw works too. Yeah, they're the pretentious intellect douchebags.
Cristina: But I'm not. The hat said Slytherin.
Jack: The hat said Slytherin for you.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you're the bad guy.
Cristina: I'm not a bad guy.
Jack: You're a worm. You're slither. You're a snake. You slither.
Cristina: Yes. Whatever.
Jack: I got Ravenclaw.
Cristina: You got Ravenclaw?
Jack: Yeah. I wanted Slytherin because the bad guy's duh.
Cristina: And you got Ravenclaw.
Jack: I got Ravenclaw.
Cristina: That's lame.
Jack: I wanted Slytherin. Slytherin would be cool, dude. Be edgy with the homies. I don't know, just black clothing.
Cristina: They're not edgy.
Jack: They're all edgy. You know who's the most edgy? What the f*** is the name of this annoying kid?
Cristina: The blond one?
Jack: Yeah, the blonde troll.
Cristina: Malfoy.
Jack: Malfoy. He's totally a troll. Yeah, he's an edgy troll.
Cristina: I just know he doesn't have, like, two friends who are. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: That's why I'm saying he's edgy. Not, his friends are edgy.
Cristina: Yeah, but they're also Slytherin.
Jack: I don't know. I feel like they would be from Hufflepuff. Right. I don't know where all the losers go.
Cristina: Do all the. They have to be. There's something unique about them. Right?
Jack: What is Hufflepuff's uniqueness? We're all fat.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Ironically enough, Hufflepuff. No, wait, that other kid is from Gryffindor. He hangs out in the same class as Harry. The other kid who was. Yeah, no, the kid who was gonna be the other guy who just had total roll of the dice of being the chosen one.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I think he is Gryffindor.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There's a crazy storm happening outside for anybody who's listening right now.
Cristina: So in case you hear it.
Jack: Yeah. In case you hear this crazy storm in the background. Right now we're on Mars and there's quite a heavy. We didn't even know Mars had storms. We thought that was like a Saturn exclusive thing or some s***. Is it Saturn or Venus? Sat we. One of the planets in our f****** system has a crazy. Yeah, there's a bunch with storms. Like some of one of our plants is raining acid or something. I don't f****** know. But yeah. So there's a storm going on up here. It's a very heavy dust storm. And there's rain, which is weird because that means there's water, which we haven't seen. But also, this isn't technically our Mars.
Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. And it's probably. We like where we placed it might not be exactly where Mars was supposed to be.
Jack: So like we're estimating, like.
Cristina: Yeah, it was pretty. I guess there's no way we could have picked the exact specific.
Jack: Hey, look, at least we've fixed the gravity of the system. That's what matters.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The system was gonna go to. And we saved the system from going to. So we're heroes.
Cristina: Yes. And now it rains.
Jack: And now it rains on Mars. Because Mars of planet Mars 2 universe 2 Mars too.
Cristina: Well, that's a good thing. Maybe things will live here, start growing. Yeah.
Jack: D***. You think it's because we place weird that it rains now?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You think the soup. The sub humans are like using the rain to like, torture things. Like holding werewolves underwater. Like f******. What is it called when you put the f******.
Cristina: Like the waterboard.
Jack: Waterboarding. You think they're using it to waterboard people?
Cristina: I don't know. I'm not watching them, man.
Jack: That's fire.
Cristina: That's what they do.
Jack: Yeah, I don't ask questions. No, I mean, I literally just ask questions.
Cristina: You just. Exactly.
Jack: So, yeah, like, I show up after the abuse happens. And I'm like, all right, f****** cat person, you stupid bottom of the barrel cat guy. Tell me where your leaders are.
Cristina: That's why you asked them?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Do you actually want to know?
Jack: Yeah. That's actually why we're gonna go and attack the cat gods.
Cristina: The cat gods. There's. Why are we fighting gods?
Jack: Well, they call them gods. I'm sure they're just like powerful aliens or something.
Cristina: Oh, all right. Like, they're just more cat people.
Jack: Yeah, I mean, I'm assuming. And we also have the technology to get there now with the pyramids and the lasers and the, you know.
Cristina: Yes. And we got zombies. We can make them fight our war.
Jack: That's. That's interesting. Right? Like, because the idea here is we have an island filled with zombies and we have a bunch of sub humans who are, like, way better than all the humans and super soldiers that have ever existed.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we can send a bunch of zombies ahead just to mindlessly destroy everything, and then send the subhumans to clean out the zombies after they've taken care of all of the cat people.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: But then we got a weird problem, because there's cat people. Zombies, maybe.
Cristina: That might be worse than that might be worse if they have magic and they're zombies.
Jack: Yeah, that was the f****** thing about the cat people. Right. There was magic. So the cat people have magic abilities.
Cristina: That's probably dangerous.
Jack: D***. It's hard to follow the lore of this, but, yeah, I'm pretty sure the cat people are entirely magic, right?
Cristina: Yes, they are.
Jack: They are. And we were comparing their magic to the reptilian science. Interesting.
Cristina: Exactly. Yeah. Because it's so advanced looking.
Jack: Yes, because the reptilian science is so advanced that it might as well be magic. Which then brings up the question of whether what the cat people have is really magic or just technology. So advanced it even looks like magic compared to the reptilian technology.
Cristina: I don't know. It might be magic. I don't know. Maybe it comes from the forest. Is that where we were talking about before? Not them, but the forest with the glass.
Jack: The Gryffindor force, where the Gryffindors are fighting right now.
Cristina: The. The Flash. Where his power comes from.
Jack: Oh, the Speed Force.
Cristina: The Speed Force. Where we think all the powers come from.
Jack: Interesting. Well, that would be science, wouldn't it?
Cristina: Would that be science?
Jack: Would that be science? Are you telling me that the Flash is magic?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: The argument would be that if the Speed Force is real, yes. It's the Fifth Force. It's Just science. It's part of the universe.
Cristina: Okay. My gosh. Because I. I don't remember if you mentioned this, but what about full metal alchemists?
Jack: Right. They get their source of power from another universe.
Cristina: Is it another universe or is it the Force?
Jack: No, it's another you. They. I mean, here's the. Okay, I like your question. Right. Because there's some thought to be given here. We know that in universe A, Edward Al, as well as all the other alchemists, use their powers.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they can. Alchemy happens. But when they perform alchemy in this side, somebody dies. In the other universe, that's a trade off. Okay, so they're using the life of people from the other universe.
Cristina: Is that really what's happening?
Jack: I believe so.
Cristina: I don't know. I thought the other universe was just their place, but without the magic.
Jack: It is your place without the magic.
Cristina: But I didn't know death was happening.
Jack: Yes, they cause death every time they use alchemy.
Cristina: Are you sure?
Jack: I believe so, yes. Okay. After looking it up. Yes. So somebody dying on Earth sends the energy to their universe and then they can use it for alchemy.
Cristina: That means that. But when they use alchemy, they're not murdering someone. It's just someone dies. The energy has to go somewhere. It goes to over there.
Jack: The argument would be that those two scenarios are connected. Rather than somebody die and the energy waits and lingers. Somebody dying and doing alchemy are simultaneous.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So instead of saying because he did alchemy, somebody died or somebody died, that the energy goes to the other side and waits for alchemy to be done. There's no difference between the two scenarios.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Alchemy being performed and somebody dying are simultaneous.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And it's not that one caused the other in any kind of way.
Cristina: Interesting. So they.
Jack: So the question is, how is that connected to this? To the force?
Cristina: Yeah, because there. There's no. I mean, it's automatic.
Jack: Yeah, it's instant.
Cristina: It's. Maybe it looks instant, but it's not instant.
Jack: It could be the case. But how would we prove that? It would just be a total guess. We know death equals energy for alchemy. Yes, that's. That's what we have.
Cristina: Yeah, that's true. I don't know.
Jack: As well as we know, the two scenarios that are tangled together are World War II and the attack on Ishbal. Those are real scenarios that are probably happening simultaneously. So getting rid of the Ishbalans and is equal to the Germans getting rid of the Jews. This giant crazy massacre. And now as the Jews die on.
Cristina: Earth, that's giving enough energy to.
Jack: That gives enough energy for these guys to create some powerful alchemy and a mistress.
Cristina: Yeah, but that was like. It's so intertwined that you don't know which one came first to the other.
Jack: And then response. The counterparts are still dying in a mistress.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the universe is balancing itself out at all times.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Perfectly equal exchange.
Cristina: Yes. Then how does that relate. Oh, my gosh. That's interesting.
Jack: Is it? Now the question is, if everything is based on the Force, this would also have to be based on the Force.
Cristina: That's. But how?
Jack: But how? Either we're not understanding how the Force works.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or there's something.
Cristina: Because we've talked about how the Force is different. Like how in Transformers, it's just automatic. Like, they are attached to. They are the Force. Pretty much.
Jack: They don't need some. Some vessel. They are the vessel.
Cristina: Yeah. So using in some way like that, where they are it or their counterparts. The World2 version is what the Transformer is like. They are the energy. They are the magic. Whatever.
Jack: I don't get it.
Cristina: Like, even though they can't use magic, it's because the magic is inside them.
Jack: Right.
Cristina: They die. The magic goes to another place for.
Jack: Them to use, so then they can't use it. You're saying there's transformers that can't transform without their counterpart dying?
Cristina: Oh, no, that's true. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm saying. I don't know. That's very.
Jack: It's complicated. Right. Because in every instant, we've had some connection to how the. Everything connects to the Force. And then we get to Full Metal Alchemist, and the question is, how does it connect to the Force? We know energy from one side equals the powers of the other.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If we didn't know that people were dying on one side, we'd assume the Force is where they're getting this ability from.
Cristina: Yeah, but.
Jack: And it looks like lightning. A lot of the times are doing it just like force. There's electrical surges and lights and energy being used. Literal energy that we can see.
Cristina: Oh, crap. Then maybe it does relate to what's going on here.
Jack: Okay. Option B. The entire universe. Universe is the multiverse.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Works exactly the same way.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And what's happening is the Force isn't just the Force. It's literal life energy.
Cristina: Yes. We're murdering people. Every time Flash runs, he's killing someone.
Jack: Or people are dying. Reality the idea would be, I mean.
Cristina: Not reality, a different universe.
Jack: The whole universe?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So we know that in Star wars they're using the Force, but they're in a galaxy way the f*** away. So it's not an Earth thing. Energy of the universe. So people dying in a universe equate to energy existing in another. And it's a one direction thing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So whatever universe B is funnels energy to universe A always and only in that direction.
Cristina: So if your universe doesn't have magic, you're probably. It's probably crap there.
Jack: You're probably the people who are dying to create magic.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: On the flip side, it could be a chain. So let's say that instead of us being universe A, we are universe B. We get energy from universe C, but we die giving energy to universe A.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And when people in universe A die, that energy goes to universe C. And so it's all connected always.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Thus there is a potential energy which then goes to say what you meant. There is just energy kind of lingering to be used. So when they die, it's not in sync necessarily. Maybe in their case it is, but in other instances, no.
Cristina: Yeah, because they just know about A and B. But there might be a cd, whatever.
Jack: It might just be always bouncing back around. A good way to think about this is the, the movie, the one.
Cristina: Which one's the one that's with jet.
Jack: Liquid and the multiverse, where he goes around jumping from universe to universe, killing all the versions of himself.
Cristina: Alright, Right.
Jack: So one guy is getting younger and stronger throughout the course of his life and he doesn't know why he becomes superhumanly strong and fast. He becomes a cop. He's an op cop. And then he finds out there's a guy, another version of him, who's been traveling from universe to universe, killing all the versions of himself to gain the power.
Cristina: So as that guy gets stronger, so is he.
Jack: So is he. Because the universe is evenly distributed between everybody of the same ability.
Cristina: Oh, wow. Okay, now these are two.
Jack: The problem here is in the one, the energy is divided evenly amongst everybody in all the 20, whatever, many universes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While Fullmetal Alchemist, it's one directional. The question is, is it truly one directional?
Cristina: It might not be because we just, we just don't understand how the whole connection.
Jack: In the case of alchemy specifically, maybe that type of energy usage means it's taking it from somewhere directly. So if you do alchemy in this universe, you took it from C. But if somebody in universe A did alchemy Somehow they would just off somebody in our universe.
Cristina: Yeah. Wait, which, if you have to say.
Jack: The letters again, we're B.
Cristina: Where? B. Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: And if A uses it, B, someone.
Jack: Somebody dies here.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And we don't even know it. We're just like, well, somebody died.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But that's energy over there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or there is, in fact, a lingering energy that's accessible from any universe at any given moment. But then why couldn't the people in universe C use energy from people dying here in universe B? Unless they just simply don't have alchemy, which we know they don't. Yeah, that universe, that, for the physics, doesn't allow for alchemy. But if they could.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They would be tapping into that same energy.
Cristina: Yeah. But why can't they?
Jack: Different universe. That's all it is. Physics.
Cristina: Yes, the physics are different. All right. Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: So the potential energy is still there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's just not being used through alchemy, because that's impossible.
Cristina: But there might be another way they can use it. They just haven't figured that out yet.
Jack: Or they are using it and we weren't shown what that is.
Cristina: Yes, that too. Oh, yes. That solves it.
Jack: So that could explain. That could keep the force consistent.
Cristina: Yes. Wait, how did he get into the other universe?
Jack: Somebody created a portal and pushed him through to get rid of him.
Cristina: Oh, okay. And the door with knowledge thing, what is that? That's nothing. Yeah, the gate. That's not where they get their alchemy from. That's only related.
Jack: I think that's where it goes through.
Cristina: From between worlds.
Jack: Well, it's knowledge or something. That might be the physical location of the Speed Force or the Force. That creature is the living force.
Cristina: The living force. Okay, because I was thinking that that's where it came from, but I wasn't sure. But then you said it came from the other.
Jack: Yes, we know. People die on the other side to give the energy.
Cristina: Yeah. If I was thinking that the Force was in the actual physical location.
Jack: Well, knowledge is there. Maybe that is the Force's home. But the Force itself is the being that's there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Rather than the location.
Cristina: Interesting.
Jack: And so energy goes through it. It requires. Because it can connect. It connects everything to all the universes he's in.
Cristina: I just finished reading the Witcher, and in that book, the girl sees a door, and that reminded me of the. The. The gate. Because she's learning magic.
Jack: Right.
Cristina: And that's where the magic comes from. Not physically, but in her mind. That's what she sees it as. And it's like, oh, crap, that reminds me of Full Metal Alchemist. But then that connected me to the other episode that we were talking about magic and, like, where it comes from. Because here everyone can get. Use the magic. Well, not everyone can use the magic, but people who can learn how to use the magic, they're all getting it from the same place.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Like, the source is the same.
Jack: Interesting. So the energy ultimately comes from the same place. So then we were. If we were to say this. Any. Anybody who learns to do anything, whether it looks like power, it looks like magic, it's all the same thing. We're just doing it differently.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So the Gryffindors are using the Force.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You can, in theory, pin the class of Gryffindor versus the Sith and have them go at it. Sith, lightning. And then somebody does a chant and waves their wand and boom. You're like fighting on equal terms.
Cristina: Yeah. Because they're all getting in this from the same place, I'm assuming. Yeah.
Jack: It's all coming from the Force one way or another.
Cristina: Yeah. What? What?
Jack: The greater energy.
Cristina: That's fascinating, but we all see it as something different.
Jack: We all see it as something. It's like religion. We're all talking about the same thing, but we're all calling it something different. Yes, but it is the same thing. This is. Everybody figured out how to use it differently, and we're all being disciplined differently on how to use exactly the same thing.
Cristina: Yes. That's interesting. It's like meditation. Like, there's a whole bunch of. A bunch of ways to use that and different schoolings for that. Like, there's a right way, but there's not really a right way.
Jack: It's not really a right way. You can meditate just by doing art, by playing an instrument. You can meditate by prayer. You can meditate by literally sitting there and humming and, like, uniting with a note. Distract your mind. There's so many. You can meditate. Flow states. Flow states. Your meditation.
Cristina: It's a huge variety. Like, unlimited. Yeah, variety.
Jack: Whatever can pull you into a state of thoughtlessness.
Cristina: But there's also people that say there's the right way of doing it, which.
Jack: Is incorrect because there is no right way. The only wrong is believing you're right.
Cristina: Yes. And that's the same with magic now.
Jack: Well, it's not even magic. It's just a form of energy. Yeah, Magic is a form of energy. Powers are a form of energy, which means when you have the X gene, that mutates in your body. That mutation just connects you to the Force.
Cristina: The Force X gene. That's. What is that?
Jack: Marvel X Men?
Cristina: X Men? Yeah.
Jack: That'S. That's just connecting you to the Force.
Cristina: Yeah. We talked about Superman having the Force, too.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He literally uses light.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: His people are people inherently connected to the Force.
Cristina: Yeah. So even the X Men are using the Force in their DNA? Pretty much.
Jack: Well, their DNA can. Yeah, I guess something about the mutation they go through allows them to connect more directly to the Force.
Cristina: Is it possible then, that people who use magic just might have the X gene and don't even know it?
Jack: Interesting. Well, here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Right? People who use the X gene and people who use magic, when you. I mean, I guess you have to be born into magic, right? Is that the argument?
Cristina: No. I don't know. Most of the time, I feel like. Yes, yes. It's like very rare occasions where you don't need to be born. It just takes a little longer to learn. Like Hermione. Hermione. That's her name. She's not magic born.
Jack: Oh, s***. You're right. She just learned it.
Cristina: Yes. But it took her extra, extra long, I guess. I'm assuming, like, she had to study way more than everyone else.
Jack: Yeah. So it didn't take her longer. She had to work harder.
Cristina: Yes. That's why. I mean. Yes, she had to work harder.
Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I think you're definitely right.
Cristina: So.
Jack: Yeah, there's always a way. It just makes it easier. So the argument would be you don't need the X gene because there are some people who haven't mutated and still have abilities. Again, Superman's people. Unless they do have the X gene.
Cristina: They definitely do. They. They do, yes.
Jack: Because it's inherent. They're born with it.
Cristina: Yes. Goku's people.
Jack: Goku's people. Interesting. While humans are just human, regardless of how you're looking at it. So you got to learn. Either have some sort of vessel, have a tool that allows you to channel the power through it. Wands or.
Cristina: Wands is the popular choice.
Jack: This is a popular choice. Yeah. That seems to be like the Go To.
Cristina: Witches don't use wands, but they're. They're using the weakest level of magic because they're not really witches or anything. They just have the weakest, easiest to learn simplest tricks.
Jack: Yes, but it's also still magic because they do have tools that allow them to go through those abilities. So they'll have a hex bag. They'll have, you know, grab some of this dirt, grab some of that thing. And, like, you're still using the tools of. Then another thing would be. Right. We just talked about meditation. Yeah, but when you're doing witchcraft, you're trying to tune into nature, the elemental natures, which usually requires meditation in the first place. So you get the elements you need, you get the picture of whoever. You get a couple of natural, like, a leaf, some rock, some dirt, a.
Cristina: Thing from this place, avatar elements, crap.
Jack: Like that, and then you put it together to try to focus your energy and tune into this force more deeply, to control it better. So meditation connects you to the Force the same way people believe prayer is allowing them to make, like, wishes come true. Almost like if I pray and I ask for a thing, it'll happen while you're meditating. And something about that meditation is allowing you to bend the Force.
Cristina: Yeah. And the Force.
Jack: So God is the Force. The same way that this creature, who we call God and Full Metal Alchemist, that exists in between the gates.
Cristina: Is the forest.
Jack: Is the forest.
Cristina: It's the forest.
Jack: God is the Force.
Cristina: Yep. All right, so we're getting our energy.
Jack: From God or the forest.
Cristina: Or the forest. Yeah.
Jack: It's weird because there are versions of it that are sentient, thinking things. The question is, is that our perception of it, or is that objectively the truth? Like, do some people see it as a thinking thing? Do other people not? The flash talks to the Force.
Cristina: I think it depends on the person because Ciri saw it as a door, but in Fullmetal Alchemist, they see it as a gate, so it really depends on the person.
Jack: Well, both of those things are just a doorway. In Full Metal Alchemist, he saw what's on the other side of the gate, and it was this creature.
Cristina: Well, yeah. Okay, well, but that came from him.
Jack: Did Ciri see what's on the other side of the door, or did she just see the door?
Cristina: She just saw the door.
Jack: So we don't know what's on the other side of that door?
Cristina: No, no. Oh, you think someone's in there behind her? I mean, she might have. I don't know. I feel like it was her past memories, though, or something. And then after she was able to relive that, then she was able to finally use the Force.
Jack: Okay, okay. There was nothing first, and then there was God and darkness. You have to die out of existence to see the nothing supernatural. Okay, so that exists in such a way that even God in the darkness are younger, not older than the Nothing.
Cristina: Huh? What do you mean?
Jack: God gets his energy from the nothing. The Force.
Cristina: The Force.
Jack: Wait, the Nothing is the ultimate first thing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then God or death. It's not clear. God, death, and darkness all sort of happen simultaneously.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And nothing came first.
Cristina: Yeah. So the nothing. Of course.
Jack: That's my question. Right. Because the Nothing God from Full Metal Alchemist. The same f****** thing. And the consciousness of the Force. All those things have just always been.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While God and supernatural had to come into existence.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: There's no explanation when or how. We just know that.
Cristina: Yes. We know that three things came out around the same time.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: He's got his sister.
Jack: And they were only predated by nothing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Which arguably doesn't really make sense in Supernatural because nothing is literally a thing.
Cristina: Yeah. Whatever.
Jack: Depiction. I get it. I get it. You can't show us another thing.
Cristina: Yeah. It's like.
Jack: Get it. I get it. It's you. You're excused.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But looks pretty interesting to say that both the Nothing and God from Fullmetalchemist are the same thing. They're also this sort of shapeless goo or something.
Cristina: They're nothing.
Jack: They're nothing.
Cristina: They're nothing. There's. You're trying really hard to see something in the nothing, and that's why you get this shapeless goo.
Jack: Yes. But so are those two things the same thing? And is that the Force?
Cristina: I will say yes, because the Force.
Jack: Is pure energy and thus it is also shapeless.
Cristina: Should be. But we all see something in it. And that's why there's God in the first place. Because we got to see something.
Jack: Yeah. And some people don't see God, but they. But the question is, like, do the people of Superman have God, or is that just a thought that doesn't cross their mind because they're naturally connected to the Force Already they got pure spiritualism. No religion.
Cristina: I don't know much about Superman, though. It maybe. Are they spiritual beings?
Jack: I don't know. That's literally what I just asked.
Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.
Jack: So that's interesting to think that there is a pure or something that everything, including God himself, is connecting to.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Then the argument would be, is God just one of the beings most directly connected? And they can use larger chunks. A long time ago, we had an episode where we talked about God's existence being only there to try to create another God so that God can sort of die off finally.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He's going to do whatever he can to create another God. Is it because it's really hard to teach something to use the force.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And so in small scales, adrenochrome is a way to connect to it.
Cristina: Oh, crap, I forgot about adrenochrome. That's. That's our planet's magic. Okay. Yeah.
Jack: It's a shortcut.
Cristina: It's our shortcut. Yeah.
Jack: So we don't have alchemy.
Cristina: You don't have alchemy.
Jack: We have adrenochrome.
Cristina: Yes. Forget about that. Yes. And God uses that. Yeah.
Jack: We have science and adrenochrome. Those are our two keys.
Cristina: I guess we do have magic. We don't have magic, but we know people who do have magic, which are the cat people that you mentioned.
Jack: Yes. Unless that's not magic.
Cristina: Unless that's not magic.
Jack: Which is why we need to go wage war and find out.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because if there is magic, then there's something we're not understanding about our universe, which is actually why we're here on Mars in the first place. Before the stupid f****** storm showed up. We're here to interrogate the f****** cats.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because we need to find out if it's actually magic. And because they're not talking, we can at least get out of them specific location. We need exact coordinates so that we can use the pyramid technology.
Cristina: Oh, the pyramid technology. That's so complicated. Oh, I don't want to ride that. Well, it's not really a ride. It's like beaming up.
Jack: Yeah. But we will be instantly there.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We're using entanglement. It's just in one side, out the other, boom, we're there instantaneously. Yeah, but the idea is, is what they're using really magic or they just really, really advanced? Because if what they are using is magic, then we have a problem which is we don't necessarily understand s*** about our universe at that point. If it turns out to just be that they are so scientifically advanced that it looks like magic, that's acceptable.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Because adrenochrome would be the closest thing to magic we have.
Cristina: I'm assuming that they're using adrenochrome.
Jack: It could probably turn out to be adrenochrome, that they're using it somehow. Because at the end of the day, they are f****** camp people.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: We have cats on Earth that are just feline, normal a** cats.
Cristina: Yeah. When we were worshiping cat gods, were we not with.
Jack: The question is that those cat gods end up. Were they just like a cat drank blood that was drowning in adrenaline? Thus it is adrenochrome and this cat developed hyper intelligence. And then it's like, I need more of this to sustain this intellect.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then when that happened successfully, he then gave it to other cats, bringing their intellect up, making them superior over the humans who didn't have access to it and didn't know what it was. And then these cat people became the future cat gods. But it's all just technology because adrenochrome gave them the intellect to have hyper intelligent, hyper advanced technology sooner that's possible.
Cristina: But also there's a chance we just gave it to the cat. Like we do it with a beaver. We probably did it with a bunch of random animals.
Jack: It could. It could be the case. So the argument in there would be that we in the old days used to make sacrifices to gods, and the same way Indians used to or so believe that cows are gods. Imagine giving a cow adrenochrome, except in this case, it's a cat. And it was the Egyptians and they sacrificed somebody, gave them adrenochrome drenched blood to actual cat, an actual cat. And this cat, whether it be like a lion or something, becomes super smart, super intelligent.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And then bipedal and everything, like, just starts giving it to the other f******. And then all these other creatures start being born. Like, I'm in a. I'm aligned with adrenochrome and I have a cub. That cub comes out half human almost, because its physiology changes, being born with me using this all the time.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And then those become the gods and they're so intelligent that they have advanced technologies. And then as the rest of humanity across the world, starts gaining traction and becoming more technological, they dip and cross the universe to get the f*** away from the most dangerous creature. The human.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they just kept evolving over there. The question is, are all creatures like apes as well? We know that if you give a creature adrenochrome and then you take away adrenochrome, they become feral.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But we know if you give a creature adrenochrome, they become this advanced version of themselves, right?
Cristina: Yes. Oh, you know, what did they get?
Jack: Did we as apes get adrenochrome and thus humans?
Cristina: That's why I'm gonna say yes. Because the cat people, we haven't given them blood or anything, and they're perfectly fine. We don't need blood either. We're perfectly fine if we came from something. If they came from something like a cat, the cat needed adrenochrome. But they're so far into the evolution of what they are, they don't need.
Jack: They don't need it anymore, so we.
Cristina: Don'T eat it anymore.
Jack: We didn't think of the rules of birth before because we know. Okay, so you get adrenochrome, you become something way advanced.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Right. So werewolf is the earthly version. Now, if you transcend, you become a. What was it? A wet judge. But if you get it taken away, you stay on this side and become a win dingo.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So you become the feral version of the wolf. Right. So werewolves is hyper intelligent, really over now, not everybody gets intelligent, but most creatures do. In the case of humans, we were just the apes that took the adrenochrome and then reproduced on adrenochrome before going feral. Because we're just thinking of the host taking it, not what their children would be like because it is blood and it has DNA and then they reproduce on it and we're just the next generation. And you repeat that. So several cultures still take it having more children that are less dependent on it and then again less dependent on it. You repeat this over and over until you end up at a creature that doesn't need it at all.
Cristina: Yeah, we don't need it.
Jack: We don't need it.
Cristina: We do, though, in that to use the power that it gives.
Jack: Yes. So we can still benefit from it no matter what. Yeah, any living thing that uses it can still benefit from it.
Cristina: Yes. Yes.
Jack: Okay, now back to the bigger picture. Is God who needs to create another God? Is this part of his plan? Is God who gave it to both the cat people and gave it to the he to the like the apes to create humans? Is God just running a bunch of these experiments wherever he possibly can? And like, the closest, at least that we know of, are the cat people. They're way up there. Yeah, but we're like as far as compared to them. I guess we're just not as advanced. But we're the next best. At least compared to everything else on this planet. But maybe there's way more.
Cristina: Yeah. And wait, are the cockroach people.
Jack: Could have been. Could have been there. They were highly advanced. Nothing left.
Cristina: I mean, what else do we have?
Jack: Lizard people, the reptilians. But the reptilians aren't even from this universe. They were invaders.
Cristina: They were invaders, but from another planet or something.
Jack: The universe.
Cristina: Another universe. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah. They were traveling back and forth. That's how we ended up getting that.
Jack: Portal in the center of the universe, in the center of Earth.
Cristina: Oh, it gets so complicated.
Jack: Yeah. The lore of this is.
Cristina: Yes. Well, we know he wants to make another God to die. That's for sure.
Jack: I mean, that's. It does. Maybe not to die, but, like, get the h*** out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Whatever the case might be, we wouldn't understand what the next step for God is.
Cristina: I think it's the die.
Jack: You think it's. What is death at that point? Because you need to transcend death, that's all. Like, at least our understanding of it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You need to get beyond the point of dying, then.
Cristina: Yeah. If you're a God, you don't need to die, do you?
Jack: I don't know what that would mean.
Cristina: What would that mean? I don't know.
Jack: Like, at least our version of death wouldn't make sense.
Cristina: Because if he's the one that's giving us energy. I don't know.
Jack: Also, weird thought. If God exists throughout all of time, wouldn't he already exist, the point at which he made the God?
Cristina: Yeah. So that doesn't work either.
Jack: That doesn't work. There's something we're not getting about that.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Unless God is bound by time as well, and he's just a demigod. And our understanding of demigod is what's f***** up. Because maybe there is a God who's everywhere, knows everything and whatever, but he is still stuck within time.
Cristina: But the guy that we're talking about isn't God, though. He's just a person who. Or a thing that had too much adrenochrome themselves.
Jack: Yes. Because they were made the same way. They're trying to figure out how to make us because they weren't given the blueprints for how they became God.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: They just got there through the processes that they're trying to replicate.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which then brings us to, like, vampire hunter dude, Dracula trying to replicate. And so, yes, he wants to. What is the series of steps that could lead to a perfect me?
Cristina: Why? But I don't know. I want to know why, actually. Yes, I definitely.
Jack: One of two things happen when you become godlike. One of two things. One, you completely detach and nothing matters.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Superman, after he outlives everybody around him and he realizes infinite danger is always going to keep coming. I don't need to stop anything. It's going to keep happening. Dr. Manhattan just goes. Literally comes here to Mars, sits and meditates forever.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Or Dracula, Jehovah, trying to recreate themselves.
Cristina: Those are types of gods.
Jack: Two different types of gods.
Cristina: And then there's Deadpool, though, and he's just random.
Jack: Yeah. Deadpool's a weird one, because he exists in some sort of outer dimension thing where he can just, like, kind of not die. And like.
Cristina: Although I guess he's like a greater God than those gods in a way.
Jack: Because, I mean, I guess if the problem is he exists in a panel situation, that's really hard to even explain what's happening. Because if we assume that the page is the universe within each box.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Every single panel is inside the universe, and the page itself is the outside of the universe. He's the only character we know who is aware that there is an outside of the panel, can jump from one to the other. So I don't know what exactly is happening there. He's just a real.
Cristina: Does he know that we exist?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He knows that us, as the viewer exists, which is also weird. He knows we're reading or we're watching.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But that's why he doesn't even count. He's some sort of other s*** that's unexplainable.
Cristina: Well, that's way higher than the gods that we're talking about.
Jack: I mean, literally, Death is in love with the fact that she can't comprehend them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which then makes Thanos a jellyfuck.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He says, oh, my God, but I want your attention, Death.
Cristina: But what is God? Well, he's not Deadpool, for sure, but.
Jack: He'S not the Speed Force or the Force, because he himself is trying to use it. And his way of connecting to it is adrenochrome.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: He himself requires adrenochrome, which means that he is not the Force. There is the other thing that is a force. And again, if we use supernatural, then we have Death, Darkness and God coming to be simultaneously or around the same time. It's not really clear who came first. We know God and Darkness happen simultaneously. We're not sure if death came first or second.
Cristina: Yes, but in our universe, our God is God. Darkness and death in one being.
Jack: That's not entirely clear, because if we follow the Bible, we literally have death, God and life God, Old Testament, New Testament.
Cristina: But they might have been the same thing.
Jack: Why would that make sense? Why would we have a guy who's all ruthlessly.
Cristina: Well, those books are wrong. So it doesn't even matter what those books say, do they?
Jack: What version of God are we using them?
Cristina: The one that we're coming up with, I guess, from what we see.
Jack: What do we see?
Cristina: He has to be all of them.
Jack: Then he wouldn't interact with anything. There'd be zero reason to interact with anything.
Cristina: Because he'd be everything but nothing.
Jack: He can't be nothing because nothing would be the force.
Cristina: Yeah, that's what I mean.
Jack: Well, then he wouldn't need adrenochrome if he was all of everything except for the nothing. Yeah. There has to be things he's not in order to try to get to that thing.
Cristina: Okay. Okay. So he has to just be.
Jack: He's some other thing that is independent from the force.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Which we. So at this point, we're saying that there are five natural forces. The weak force, the strong force, electromagnetism and gravity. And the force. The force, weak force, strong force, the force, electromagnetism, gravity. Where does God fit in that he uses.
Cristina: He uses them.
Jack: None of them, actually.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Well, okay.
Cristina: What is he.
Jack: We got to go into the most abstract version of. I guess a different episode. I don't even know if we had this conversation on an episode or if you and I were just having conversations separately. In which consciousness observes the nothing and then generates the universe. It sees the universe in nothing when it observes it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So consciousness exists and nothingness, whatever word would describe whatever's happening there, the combination of them equals the five forces. So God isn't any of the five forces. God is a product of some of the forces and then tries to use some of the forces. God has to just be a being.
Cristina: Okay, He's. But he's just a being that has too much adrenochrome.
Jack: Yes. And that level of adrenal chrome allows him to use the force and manipulate. I guess it's. Manipulate all of the forces.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: As God, you can create a planet, so you can create mass, which then generates immense gravity, which then has electromagnetic properties that uses the weak and strong forces. And you did that all by using the force. So all five forces. Yeah, all five forces are just products of consciousness observing nothing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It is so complicated.
Cristina: Well, hopefully these cats gets us closer to this problem. Or not problem, this mystery.
Jack: Yeah. Because if it turns out that it is, in fact magic. What the f***?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like what? How do we consolidate that?
Cristina: It's impossible.
Jack: It's impossible.
Cristina: It can't be. It just can't.
Jack: It's too complicated.
Cristina: It's too complicated. The force is science.
Jack: The force has to be just. Yeah, it has to be just a product of the Big Bang, like everything else.
Cristina: Yeah, has to be.
Jack: The Big Bang led to all. And the Big Bang is no more than just consciousness observing nothing. Right. It has to be. And that would answer everything. All of media, all of nature. All of everything is just a product of these five different forces that control everything.
Cristina: Yeah, I think so. That sounds right.
Jack: How are we able to move? It has to be that everything is inherently connected to the force and we just use things to control it more and more. But like the fact that I can talk to you right now. Something is powering me. There's something powering me no matter what.
Cristina: Yes. And it's gotta be the same thing.
Jack: The same thing. If I could tune into that more, that can use it more and maybe do weird things that seem unnatural because I'm using more of whatever is powering me.
Cristina: Mm So I had. I don't know, so many questions. I don't know. That's. It's complicated.
Jack: It is very complicated. But there is definitely a crossing, like crossing lines there. We know that at least all of anybody using powers is using the same energy potentially one way or another, different ways to use the same thing, whether it be higher. Because again, we are being kept alive. Right. Something is moving us and then gene mutation allows you to have stronger access to it. And then you got weird abilities. That makes perfect sense if it's already.
Cristina: Forcing through your body into all this though.
Jack: Zombies aren't really dead.
Cristina: Okay. They're still us.
Jack: Yeah. They just got way low brain function.
Cristina: But they are also after adrenocurl. Like what are they doing?
Jack: That's the only thing keeping them alive actually.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Because when they. I. I don't know how to hunts for people. That's not right either.
Jack: But I guess it kind of is. Hunting.
Cristina: It's hunting for people, right?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What are they, what are they after?
Jack: They don't know what they're after. They just instinctively drawn to the thing that's going to keep them alive.
Cristina: Yes. And then. So they go hunt for a living person.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: And then once that person's dead, they move on. But.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: What are they getting from that person?
Jack: The blood probably.
Cristina: Yes. That's. Isn't that straight? Well, maybe. Right, like.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: What else could it be?
Jack: Well, we already also know that factually the difference between both a zombie and a vampire is how the energy is to distributed. And the one thing they have in common is blood. A vampire burns through it quickly and a zombie uses it slowly.
Cristina: What if they're actually after adrenochrome or the fear part of Adrenochrome? Since they don't need much energy, maybe that's enough to scare the person. But they still need to kill the person.
Jack: They need to kill the person. They gotta Eat. They're really eating for the blood.
Cristina: But they're not really eating. Because they're not eating. They can't eat. They're dead. There's nothing happening in their stomach.
Jack: They're not dead.
Cristina: But they're not. They're not you. That's not functioning.
Jack: Who says their body is functioning?
Cristina: Their body's functioning.
Jack: That's how they are moving.
Cristina: But their stomach is not functioning.
Jack: It might be functioning at a way slower pace.
Cristina: I feel like they're just murdering and that's it.
Jack: The fact that a zombie can starve in every version of Zombie except the ones from the Walking Dead. Oh, I guess in 28 days later. They starve in 28 days.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. I was thinking, I guess, just of the Walking Dead. Okay.
Jack: So they can pose. There's something weird about their thing in Walking Dead that's unexplained.
Cristina: Okay. So normally they need something in their tummy.
Jack: Yes. The argument would be that whatever's happening in the Walking Dead is unrelated. But if we use like, 28 days later, it takes 28 days for them to starve.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay.
Jack: And the only difference between a zombie and a vampire is that a vampire uses the energy rapidly because it's throwing it into crazy high stats of you run faster, you think faster, you're way stronger. While a zombie is like, none of that s***. Just. Just stamina. The end.
Cristina: That's it? Yeah.
Jack: Just stamina. Nothing else. I don't move fast, I don't think at all. It's just survival and stamina.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And so a zombie can burn through it much slower while a vampire runs its energy supply quicken the needs more before they become feral.
Cristina: Yes. Okay.
Jack: Arguably, a zombie is always in its feral state.
Cristina: What about the feral zombies?
Jack: It's awesome.
Cristina: Oh, okay. She's in. What is it? Fallout. There's two different zombies.
Jack: Well, those zombies have nothing to do with blood or eating people. That's all radiation.
Cristina: Oh, yeah. Those are alive people. Okay. Yeah.
Jack: Feral zombies are people who've just gone crazy.
Cristina: Yeah. And the regular ones are just people.
Jack: Yeah. They didn't go crazy. They can handle being turned into whatever this s*** is.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay.
Jack: Okay. So we're very aware that this is. This just got complicated. At least now I'm more motivated to ask these f****** questions, man. These cat people, dude. Like, what if the answer is that it's magic? Like, what if we get there and we find out there was no technological advancement? They really just learned how to. Then what is happening? They must have the X gene.
Cristina: Or some equivalent could be it. We gotta look into their genesis. Yeah, we do.
Jack: Yeah, we have to. Because the argument would be is what's happening with Gryffindor? Gryffindor magic. Are they really casting a magic spell when they chant, do a thing. Are we gonna have to go question some of these people?
Cristina: No, I think they're using the force like the witchers and the witches from the witcher.
Jack: They're connecting to nature somehow.
Cristina: Yeah, I'm pretty sure they're connecting to nature.
Jack: And so even if it looks like no scientific advancement went through the cat people, it just might be connecting to the force somehow. So if we get back. Oh, it's magic. Well no, not really because magic is just a way of connecting to the force. The question is how is their method connecting to the force? That's really what we got to try to answer.
Cristina: Yes. I think that's the real thing that we need to figure out. Yes.
Jack: Yeah. Because no matter what, it's probably connecting to the force.
Cristina: Mm. We gotta look into their DNA as well.
Jack: Yeah. So luckily we have a couple here that they could. We could just run some experiments on. And when we got some answers off of the ones that we're not running experiments off of, we can then get to those coordinates and go find out what's happening over there.
Cristina: Yeah. See how it turned out. They're like X men.
Jack: Yeah. Well that's why I got the sub humans. Send them in. Go murder. And we got zombies.
Cristina: And we got zombies. Yeah, we have.
Jack: We have manpower. We got what we need.
Cristina: All we need are zombies. Really.
Jack: I feel like so many of them. If when we look at the great void we're seeing them. That civilization is huge. We don't have the manpower. One zombies enough if we can get it to bite somebody and then them try to save that person and it spread.
Cristina: A cat person. We had a zombie. We one of our cat people will.
Jack: Just turn them into.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then fling them over there and be like we can save them.
Cristina: And then. Exactly. If they don't know what that is, then we're lucky.
Jack: Interesting, because it probably left before any zombie related thing happened. Then we captured there now because they were coming in and out through portals at the bottom of the ocean. Lake Loch.
Cristina: Oh yeah.
Jack: So I don't know. It depends. We'll find out. That's why this interrogation matters.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's why we're here, to answer these questions. That's really the point. Anyways, we're running out of time here. So if you guys want to Find out how the h*** we landed on any of these subjects. Because the lore of this show is so complicated. I'm not even, like, sure I get it myself.
Cristina: We try summarizing it in an episode.
Jack: Yeah. That wasn't even that long ago. There's an episode recently of us trying to summarize the lore of this show. But you can find out about the first time we talked about cat people, about the time we caught cat people. We want an adventure to hunt down these cat people.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Same thing with the Reptilians. There was a whole problem there.
Cristina: Same thing with adrenochrome.
Jack: Adrenochrome.
Cristina: Creatures that were being created with it.
Jack: Yes. And we're sadly running. We're kind of bad people, but whatever. You know, we do things.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Science.
Cristina: And somehow that related to God. Somehow. I don't know.
Jack: God needs adrenochrome, too.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But, yeah, whatever. You could find all the episodes connected to all of this. You can find all those things on the official website greatthoughts.info or on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or anywhere you get your podcast.
Cristina: You can also find us on Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, and Twitter usConvopod.
Jack: Yes. And remember to rate, review, and most importantly, subscribe to the show. If you are subscribed, you can get us anywhere. And then you can try. You can try to follow whatever crazy nonsense we're doing right now. And also you can find me on the stereo app having conversations with complete strangers. Sometimes like this, sometimes like when we have guests. Sometimes I come across trolls and we just troll.
Cristina: Sometimes it's live. Sometimes you gotta look at past stuff.
Jack: Yeah, Sometimes I'm there live. Sometimes you just check out past stuff. It's all there.
Cristina: And also tell somebody about the show.
Jack: Yes. Word of mouth, highly important. You can share the show by talking to people and telling them that we're trying to solve the world's most baffling problems. We're trying to find out what God is after. If cat people are using magic, if the Gryffindors are using magic, what the force really is. Is it the fifth. The fifth force? The fifth natural force of the universe? Yeah. So depressing questions.
Cristina: Yes. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Just because people quit. Just because people are asking it doesn't mean the answer is yes.
Jack: Feces are mostly made of water, about 75%. The rest is made of dead bacteria that helped us digest our food. Living bacteria, protein. Undigested food residue known as Fiber, waste, material from food, cellular lining, fat salts and substances released from the intestines such as mucus and the liver.
Cristina: It doesn't sound alive.
Jack: It is consisting of cellular lining and living bacteria.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Poop alive.
Cristina: No, it has living things in it. But it's not alive.
Jack: No, the poop is made of.
Cristina: It's mostly made of water.
Jack: Yes, but we're mostly made of air. So what's Your point? We're 99% air and it still looks like there's a person here. Yeah, they are less air. They're less poo is less nothing than we are. F*** with it.
Cristina: Pooh is dead bacteria and living bacteria, and that's probably.
Jack: I don't know who's alive. And ironically, poo is more alive than we are because we are 99% air and poo is 75% water.
Cristina: But do we consider water as a living thing?
Jack: No, I'm saying that there is more percentage of living stuff because water is only 75% instead of 99%. It's not 99% water. That means that 25% is the other.
Cristina: Stuff, which includes living things. But we don't know what the percentage of living thing is. It could be like 1%.
Jack: Then they're as alive as we are.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because we are 1% living thing. We're 1%? Yes. Actually, we're 1% anything. Our bones aren't alive and that's a huge part of who we are. That isn't air. So what percentage of us is like you? Think about it. Right now, we're breaking down the construct of what life is and we.
Cristina: And you're including poop in this.
Jack: Poo is alive.
Cristina: It's not.
Jack: Poo is the next thing we add to the list. The sun, fire, Poo.
Cristina: Doesn't he need multiple things to be considered alive?
Jack: Unless it's made of cells, in which case it goes straight to the top, regardless of how many other things it chucks off the list.
Cristina: But it's not really made out of cells. It's like cell bat. Like leftover. Leftover cells of what it was.
Jack: Yes, but it still cells. No, it's still living cells. That's. That's the problem.
Cristina: It says cellular lining. That doesn't mean. Good morning. Good morning. The Just Conversation podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.