Grey Thoughts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Do you have any baffling ideas?

Jack: well, ideas in general are baffling. Thinking is a complicated process that comes through the evolutionary process of, I don't know, I guess neurons. No, I would. That's a really interesting question. Right, like, because thinking itself is kind of a mind f***. It's a psychedelic experience or something. Like, do creatures think? I know they have processing, but it's a lot of autopilot s*** going on too.

Cristina: Are you talking about animals?

Jack: Creatures in general?

Cristina: Even humans? Well, okay. I mean most of them we know fact.

Jack: I mean, I guess at least I know I can think.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When I say creatures, I definitely do mean other than I.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because I'm under the impression I can think.

Cristina: But you're also in autopilot.

Jack: Sometimes I think everything has a little bit of autopilot, but I think animals in general, other creatures in general have autopilot. Like I don't think an insect is really giving it surrounding many thoughts. No, I mean there's a lot of autopilot going on.

Cristina: Yeah. I Wonder how much percent of it is autopilot. How much percent of what it's thinking is autopilot?

Jack: Probably 100% of it.

Cristina: 100%?

Jack: Yeah, there's lit like think of an ant. It's literally hive mentality. It has no sense of identity. It's just part of a bigger thing and its entire being is to support this bigger thing. No sense of self preservation or anything, it's just the Borg.

Cristina: Does the queen at least have mind of its own or is she also an autopilot like them? Like she's doing what her role tells her what to do or whatever.

Jack: Well, my experience as an ant keeper has taught me that the queen is a very overpowered, high thinking individual. She has all the thoughts.

Cristina: So a lot like the queen of Or.

Jack: Yeah, she has all the thinking going on and all the. All the insignificant ants don't think at all. She sends her messages and they're like yes or not even. Yes. They just do it. She waves her hand and they then.

Cristina: Are they better than the Porg because the Borg, they want to get away from the queen?

Jack: No, it's when you get that bug thrown into the system and they then get like identity and individuality.

Cristina: Okay. So they're not. There's not individuality unless something bad happens. A bug. Okay, yeah.

Jack: It was like a virus or something that attacked the board. Right, Because Picard is a savage.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He was like, send this kid back with a sense of self. Let's destroy this from the inside out.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. Because once the board gets choose, they don't want to be with the queen anymore. That would suck.

Jack: That makes sense. Right?

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: A bit overpowered.

Cristina: Are there any other animals that work like that? Like they just have one. Oh, yeah. Queen bee. Okay. So is the queen. There's gotta be other examples though.

Jack: I mean, herds have a very similar thing going on. Like giant pack animals.

Cristina: But they don't have a leader, do they? I mean, I guess whoever's in the front of the herd.

Jack: No, I'm pretty sure just enough of them start running and there's a survival thing that kicks in that they're like. That's probably what the rest of us should be doing.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: Like, are they running from something? Let's all run from whatever thing they're running from. Or are they running towards something? Let's all run. Whatever they run, they know something we don't. Yeah, I guess that's the ultimate thought. They know something we don't.

Cristina: Yeah. And birds, are they like that? Because there's always a bunch.

Jack: Fascinating. This is a really interesting visual. Right. So birds in the sky because wings and whatnot. But they move in a weird sync. Like they all tune into this thing and they instantly know. They all instantly know how to move.

Cristina: But is it because the wind or is it they're actually working together?

Jack: No, when they're doing like weird patterns in the sky, how do they all suddenly turn at the same time? Yeah, that's weird. Unless there is a leader and it's happening so fraction of a second that it looks instantaneous to us, but it's like a domino effect that's happening too quick for us to notice. And there is one doing it first, but they're in the sky. It has to all be like split second decision making.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe more like herds who are worried. Like they're just going because they see everyone else going.

Jack: Well, I don't think it would be worried though. There has to be some other motivation because they're just hanging out in the sky doing tricks or whatever crap is happening.

Cristina: What is happening? Like, what benefit is that? Is that exercise?

Jack: I don't know. Because your school of fish do the same thing a lot of times. Yes. They'll move Away from danger, but also when there's no danger, they're still kind of doing things.

Cristina: Are they eating, though? Is that them eating?

Jack: I guess fish are. Then what's the excuse for bird?

Cristina: No idea. They're battling some creature that we don't know about in the sky.

Jack: All of them?

Cristina: Yeah. Or the wind. They're playing with the wind.

Jack: They're playing with the wind?

Cristina: Yeah. We don't know how that works.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: The wind is petting them.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: That's interesting. Yeah. It's a lot like the fish. The birds in the sky are a lot like the fish in the water moving that weird way.

Jack: Yeah. There is definitely a thing happening where they're kind of like all in sync. I don't know why. It is weird that they do it. And I guess a lot of animals do that. But then what about the solitary animals? What the f***? Like, if there was no. They would just fight each other. Like, wild cats aren't gonna move all in sync, and lions don't move all in sync. No, but like, a. A bunch of horses are already kind of doing their thing. You spook them, boom, they're all one suddenly.

Cristina: Yeah, horses like zebras.

Jack: I guess that's kind of a horse too.

Cristina: Deers. Are they, like.

Jack: No, actually. That's an interesting one. Deer don't pack, run in the same direction under the same logic. They'll just scatter in random directions if they have to.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: They're breaking the pattern of other animals.

Jack: Yeah, but so is, like, the wild cats, like I just said.

Cristina: Well, that's different. Being the hunter and being the hunty are two different things.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because the hunter likes to be those cats, I guess. Like to be alone. A lot of cats.

Jack: All right, so there's a pack of bison. Who's f****** with, like, a herd of bison? Nobody. Nobody's f****** with a herd with bison. But they're still gonna run together, I guess. You mean more carnivore versus herbivore?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, herbivores will do, like, their own thing. Then why are deer doing their own thing? Doesn't. Doesn't work.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know what's going on with the deers, but they must. Is that right? I don't know. That's weird.

Jack: Yeah, they just kind of do random s***. Deer weird.

Cristina: Deer weird. But most even big animals that are veggies eaters are. They're in packs, like giraffes and elephants, I think.

Jack: Not in herds, though.

Cristina: Not in herds.

Jack: There isn't like a herd of giraffes.

Cristina: Oh, there's a family of giraffes.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably a family of giraffes. Maybe some cousins, some friends, but not, like a herd. Oh, there aren't thousands of giraffes hanging all together.

Cristina: That's crazy. They couldn't survive like that if they're all eating the same thing.

Jack: What's hunting a giraffe in the first place, you know? Like, is it even a creature of that nature?

Cristina: I imagine a lion.

Jack: You think a lion. You think something is messing with giraffes to begin with?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because they're probably easy to. They seem like they might be a clumsy and slow enough creature. Are they fast? I don't think they're that fast for a lion.

Jack: I mean, like, would the lion go out of his way to eat a giraffe?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: They would probably try to eat a hippo, and that doesn't make sense.

Jack: A lion?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't think a lion tries to eat a hippo.

Cristina: An alligator would try to eat a hippo. I think there's some animals that will try, even if it's dumb to eat a hippo. I don't think any animal hunts hippo. Not that they could eat the hippo, but at least get after that hippo.

Jack: Okay, so lions, hyenas, and leopards all hunt giraffes.

Cristina: Mm. That makes sense. See, hyenas are pet creatures. I don't care.

Jack: Hyenas don't give a s***.

Cristina: Yeah, size does not matter. The hyena probably goes after that hippo, too. Not that it's successful, but it probably does try. You don't think a hyena would try.

Jack: To attack a hippo?

Cristina: Yeah. Tell me. Nothing hunts a hippo. I imagine something does.

Jack: Holy crap. Yeah. Hyenas go after hippos?

Cristina: Yeah, man. Hyenas don't give a s*** what else hunts a hippo. Or is that it? It's the hippo.

Jack: No, what's funny is that hyenas are more capable of hunting these things down because they work in packs, as opposed to lions that are usually alone. This is the logic of the wolves, Right? The wolves are some f****** problem because strategy is a m***********. This is where the dogs have advantage over the cats.

Cristina: Right, But I thought lions are, like, the only cats that do work together.

Jack: No, they're usually alone. Usually there's one out there hunting brings the food back.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, I mean, there could be multiple together, but that's not the common.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Commonly, one goes out, brings the food back. In.

Cristina: Okay, but when it comes to hyenas, they're just eating anything.

Jack: Well, sure, but the point is that hyenas move in packs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the whole dog thing. That makes dogs very different at hunting than cats. Now there's less food to go around overall. Yeah. You hunt the Hepple, but there's like seven of you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like lion hunts a hippo. If it got the hippo. There's a lion and a hippo. Okay, you win.

Cristina: Yeah. I'm imagining they're eating baby hippos. Like, it's not a. Or an injured hippo.

Jack: I believe in. I believe in all of these cases, it's the baby.

Cristina: It's the baby. Yeah. Like that's the easiest. Like a baby elephant or something.

Jack: Yeah. A pack of hyenas would be hard pressed to take an adult hipple down like that. That's not. Doesn't sound fun or easy.

Cristina: What other animals hunt hippos? There has to be more. Can't imagine the hyena is the only animal. But it's possible. Hippos are a tough, tough animal to take down.

Jack: Hippos, one of the hardest animals to take down. So a hippo will usually be attacked by crocodiles, lions, and spotted hyenas.

Cristina: Okay, I was interested.

Jack: But all the young hippos, only babies.

Cristina: Okay. Just babies. The only thing that messes with adult hippo is probably another adult hippo.

Jack: Adult hippos are not usually preyed upon by other animals due to their aggression and size.

Cristina: Nah, they're the ones eating other animals just for fun.

Jack: Yeah. Cases where large lion prides have successfully preyed on adult hippos have been reported, but that's generally rare.

Cristina: Okay. So a pack of lions can do it.

Jack: Yeah. Now just normally hunting lion can't. A lion has to jump into dog behavior and be like, yo, we need to. We're the most powerful s*** out here. We still need to team up.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Because f*** adult hippos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We go after it and it's just gonna eat us. It doesn't even get nutrients from us. It's just gonna eat us.

Cristina: That is so scary.

Jack: Yeah, it's a monster. The real life monster of the human world. Of the human world, of the like, of the mortal world.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Is the hippo hippo. It's a demon, bro.

Cristina: Yes. It's what demons are based off of.

Jack: Yeah, some s***. It's demon. And it's a water pig, essentially. Right. It's like they're related or some s***. We've. I remember, like recently, maybe like. Like 20 episodes ago or some s***, we, like, ran across the fact that a pig is a hippo. It's just a tiny hippo.

Cristina: Pigs can get really big. But I don't know, what's the biggest hippo size? I mean, what's the biggest pig size?

Jack: The largest? It's pretty big.

Cristina: It's pretty big. But it would be nice to know, like, compared to a hippo, to, I guess, imagine. What would one pig standing, one wild pig, I guess, next to a pig hippo look like?

Jack: What would one wild. Oh, crap. I guess it could look like a hippo. Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That's pretty ginormous.

Cristina: It's pretty ginormous.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You don't know how big, though.

Jack: It's way bigger than a person.

Cristina: Oh. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: It's the size of a hippo.

Cristina: Oh, that's crazy. Okay, that's scary. And we eat that. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Holy s***. What the f*** am I looking at? This is huge.

Cristina: What is it a pig?

Jack: Yeah, it's a huge pig. Okay, that's what I'm looking at. Look at that.

Cristina: That is scary.

Jack: Yeah, that's essentially a giant. Not even giant. That's just a hippo. Okay, I guess. I guess that's the real question because we're looking at the biggest pig. So I guess the real question is how large is the largest hippo? No, I guess that's still more or less the same size.

Cristina: Well, how. How large is it?

Jack: About the size of that pig.

Cristina: Because this pig says length 8 to 7 to 8ft. Height 3 to 4ft, or 3.7 to 4.7 and then 600 to 1,000 pounds. I feel like the hippo still has to be pretty big.

Jack: Like it has way more weight.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All right, all right, all right. What? Okay, what was this? Were the specs on that pig?

Cristina: It was seven feet. No, sorry. Seven to eight feet.

Jack: Okay, so seven to eight feet long.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, God. So 10ft to 17ft.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Height.

Jack: What height do you have?

Cristina: 3.7 to 4.7.

Jack: Okay, 4.3 to 5.4. So just them normal height is like about the size of an average sized female human.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. And pounds six hundred to a thousand.

Jack: Oh, man. 3,300 to 4,000. Never mind. A hippo will body a pig so effortlessly.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Holy crap. 17ft. Dude, what are we talking about anymore? That's absurdly large.

Cristina: But as large as a rhino. I feel like rhinos are probably the same size.

Jack: Rhinos and hippos are like in the same ballpark?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. See, height, 5.6 to 6 point. Let's say 6.3.

Jack: Okay, so they're taller in height than a hippo. What about lengthwise?

Cristina: Length does not say. Give me the length. What's your question again? Length.

Jack: The length of a hippo.

Cristina: You mean rhino?

Jack: Oh, yeah, of rhino.

Cristina: Give me the length of. We have. Has the length of 7ft 10 inches to 10ft 6 inches.

Jack: No, get body. A 17 foot hippo will body that thing.

Cristina: Oh, 2,000 pounds.

Jack: 3,300 to 4,000.

Cristina: Oh, it's 2,200. Oh, okay. The hippo's still in it by miles.

Jack: Well, I'm just confused as to how something could be so freaking large. This info has to be wrong, right?

Cristina: Sure. Elephants bigger still. That'd be crazy.

Jack: I mean, yeah, elephant is the largest land creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I don't think it's longer. I'm just confused about this length. This can't be right. I refuse to believe a hippo could really, truly, honestly be 17 freaking feet long.

Cristina: 17. Oh my God.

Jack: It's such an absurd length.

Cristina: That is 17. They're long boys.

Jack: They're long boys. 17ft is so freaking excessive, man. Makes you really wonder.

Cristina: It's kind of a hot dog.

Jack: It's gonna have a hot dog.

Cristina: It's a hot dog. It is a hot dog. Although elephants are like 18 to 21ft.

Jack: Yeah, but like Jesus Christ. But I. Yeah, this is nowhere near 17ft.

Cristina: No, the one that. That one.

Jack: Oh my God.

Cristina: It's so freaking huge.

Jack: Oh, God. That one.

Cristina: That one might be.

Jack: Is so crazy looking. I guess. They are so long. They're the wiener elephants.

Cristina: They're long.

Jack: They're wiener elephants.

Cristina: Elephants are long, but they look more proportionate.

Jack: Dude, who the h*** just has a pet hippo?

Cristina: I hope no one. I hope no one. Is this a video of someone with pet hippos?

Jack: I don't know, but that guy just like tapped the mouth of that hippo. That is a long f****** hippo though. But if somebody were to lay down next to it, I'm sure that hippo is like in the lower range. It's like nine feet at most. Doesn't look like seven. 17ft is crazy. That can't be right. That cannot be right. That cannot be right. It's so long. 17ft is three humans stacked end to end.

Cristina: That it. Maybe that's just like the most. The largest hippo they found.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the most exaggerated hippo ever recorded. That's totally A possibility. Because that's nuts. I just. I don't know. It's just nuts. Oh, my God. The largest hippo ever was 16 foot.

Cristina: 16 tall or still.

Jack: No, that would be nuts. You know how the problem that a 16 foot tall Pippa would be the length of that would be like five houses. Sixteen foot is like a two story building.

Cristina: Once upon a time.

Jack: Ancient hippos of the past.

Cristina: Yeah. Dinosaur hippo. 16ft long, not 17ft long.

Jack: That's not like much of a difference. No, they probably rounded to 17 because like 16.5 or something, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. So ridiculous.

Jack: But like, I need this. I need to see it there. Hat man. How the h*** are you 16ft? Like, who the h*** is f****** with you, bro? You had that. That's a giant hippo. I had to dive a heart attack, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's nothing else. He had to dive a heart attack. There's no other option.

Cristina: It's so crazy looking.

Jack: So this is Don, the largest hippo king showing his dominance in the water.

Cristina: It's hard to tell how big he is.

Jack: It is very hard to tell. Let's see if there's some volume to this. Come on. You can't hear him in the water.

Cristina: It's kind of scary. A lot of animals make some horrifying sounds.

Jack: I wonder how they're deciding to measure this though. And here's the problem, dude. How fast a hippo moves in the water is also like a huge issue.

Cristina: How fast it is.

Jack: Yeah. Hippos are crazy fast on land and on in the water. It is such an unnecessary creature. A hippo. 19 miles per hour. No human ever is outrunning that. For contrast.

Cristina: What are we gonna look up? The human? The elephant. I saw an elephant suit being compared to a hippo 13ft in length. This is the seal one for contrast.

Jack: Humans can max out at 8 miles per hour.

Cristina: Running or swimming?

Jack: Running.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And definitely slower swimming. And the Hippo can clear 19. It is twice as. Actually more than twice as fast as any human. As the fastest human probably. It's more than twice as fast as the fastest human.

Cristina: Do you think us swimming is way slower?

Jack: Has to be 5 miles per hour underwater. Oof.

Cristina: Oh, okay. We're not surviving either way.

Jack: There's just no way, man. It couldn't be okay. No. It would be scary. It would be scary. So the fastest human in all of history clears 5 miles per hour. They would be an even match for an average hippo. What average human in the water clears like 2 miles per hour. Still less than half the speed of the average hippo.

Cristina: I think we got a movie there like Jaws, but with a hippo. What?

Jack: Except it'll just follow you out of the water and then suddenly get even faster.

Cristina: That's even scarier. They have alligator horror movies. Why isn't there a hippo one?

Jack: I don't know. I guess the round fatness kind of kills it. It's not like a scary jagged creature.

Cristina: No. Unless it's eating you. It's. It becomes more scary, I guess. Yeah, but you have to be in that situation. I guess watching it isn't as scary. Such a pudgy looking creature.

Jack: Yeah, it is like a. It's just an awkward creature. Really is. But it's so freaking dangerous.

Cristina: But it's so awkward. It's huge. It's heavy looking. It has the biggest looking stomach ever. I don't understand how it's the more.

Jack: To put food away with.

Cristina: How is it so fast with all its weight though?

Jack: That is an interesting question. I don't know, it's just everything is designed to s*** on a human. That's why we have to develop overpowered brains.

Cristina: Okay. Humongous.

Jack: Without a doubt, the human is the smartest creature on earth. At least on land.

Cristina: Mm. Dolphins being the smartest. No. I don't know. Is the dolphins smartest?

Jack: I believe so, yeah.

Cristina: Dolphins, okay.

Jack: Dolphins dominate the oceans, humans dominate the land. And like birds are generally speaking dumb as opposed to these two other comparisons.

Cristina: Oh, even the smartest bird though, it depends.

Jack: What's the smartest bird?

Cristina: Like a raven? No, there's a big bird, isn't there? That's pretty smart.

Jack: Raven. Yeah. Ravens are way up there. Okay, but then that's my point. So like a raven next to like a raven is definitely highly intelligent. But are we saying that it's like dominating its environment? Like non eagle. That's retarded. Will beat the s*** out of a raven effortlessly.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're like smart compared to a child, right? Like you put their intelligence next to a human.

Jack: Oh, yeah, probably. You gotta understand, human babies are dumb, okay? Human babies are the most useless of all like creatures. They're really, really, really down the pole because there's nothing physical that allows this thing to survive. I guess. No, fair enough. Birds are kind of s*****. Like. Like humans.

Cristina: Yeah. When they're babies.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Usually other creature mammals tend to be hardcore. Except the domesticated ones.

Cristina: What about like kangaroo babies? Those can't do anything.

Jack: Well, kangaroo babies aren't even born yet. Really? They're just Literally in a womb.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's external. Yes, that's what's happening there.

Cristina: They're not really born though.

Jack: Yeah, they're not really born yet. But I'm thinking, like, if there are some mammals that are useless, like, but there's a lot of domesticated useless s***. I wonder if, like a wild lion is instinctively great at what it's doing, you know, it's. At least it could run around. Is that a thing or is it like a house cat that when it has its babies, they're just retarded the way humans are probably.

Cristina: They have to learn how to hunt and everything. They don't know how to do any of that.

Jack: They'll follow their mom. But can they move? Can they avoid predators, is my question.

Cristina: Ooh, probably not.

Jack: Like, even turtle babies get born and immediately run towards the water. They don't necessarily have to make it, but they have that. A human baby will lay there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: A domesticated puppy will lay there.

Cristina: What? A baby lion.

Jack: Meanwhile, a baby deer can dip.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You see, it'll be awkward.

Cristina: It will be awkward.

Jack: But it can move. It can try to avoid danger.

Cristina: Okay, it can.

Jack: It knows to be scared, but it.

Cristina: Can'T hunt on its own. Like, if it lost its mom, it's probably dying of starvation if it's not hunted. At least most baby animals, I think. I think when it comes to eating, it's the hardest thing. Even if they can move around quickly, they can run.

Jack: No, I think when it comes to a deer, it would also find its own food. What? Deer is like going to find food and bringing it to its baby?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not how it works. It just knows.

Cristina: I guess a lot of other animals, though, need the parents bring them things.

Jack: You know what? Funny, I guess. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. Yeah. There's a. There's a huge trade off happening, Right. Herbivores just kinda. No, carnivores, although way more overpowered as adults. Way underpowered as babies. Yes, babies. So carnivores are more likely to be killed by other carnivores when they're babies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Than herbivores are when they're babies. Because herbivore babies at least have some motor function to handle their s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they need to.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While usually the carnivores are gonna protect their babies, thus making the weaker baby.

Cristina: Yeah. Because they can't hunt on their own. They can't do it. Like, if that baby gets lost, that's it for that baby.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Can't. What's it gonna do?

Jack: But herbivores don't have that issue because.

Cristina: Their food is everywhere.

Jack: Yeah. That's why dogs, even if they're in the house and you feed them crap that they shouldn't naturally eat, that's still technically carnivore. That's why its babies are dumb, because it's a carnivore and carnivores have dumb babies.

Cristina: Dumb babies.

Jack: Yeah. The dumbest babies are all carnivores.

Cristina: Yes. I guess. So. He's even birds. I'm thinking they're carnivores.

Jack: Yeah, they kind of are. And they got dumb babies. If there are herbivore baby birds, maybe they're better.

Cristina: But no, because they also have the disadvantage that their babies can't move. Like, they can move, but they can't fly. Like, if they're in a nest, they're not getting out of that nest until they have the ability to fly.

Jack: Yeah. Also, I don't think there's any herbivore birds.

Jack: Okay. There are a hummingbird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Does a hummingbird baby know what it's doing?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, it doesn't naturally know.

Jack: How would you figure it out? I feel like a hummingbird would struggle.

Cristina: Yeah. But also, they still have to get to a certain age to be able to fly and everything. Because birds don't just naturally are born and then fly. That's. Hummingbirds are one bird that does. That would be crazy.

Jack: That'd be fascinating. Right? Is it just born and badass?

Cristina: No way.

Jack: It couldn't be. But then that would mean that a hummingbird isn't a hummingbird is probably not really a herbivore. That's an interesting question. Right?

Cristina: Isn't that the one that eats the flowers? What's it called?

Jack: Yeah, the, like, nectar of a flower. Oh, crap. No, they are. They're. They're omnivores. They eat, like, insects and spiders and junk.

Cristina: Ah, okay. They do eat nectar as well. But that's not the only thing they do.

Jack: Yes. The fact that they have any. The fact that they're eating living things immediately makes your baby stupid by default. I don't know why, but if you eat anything that isn't a plant, your babies are dumb. There's a pattern there.

Cristina: No, we don't know if herbivores are. Babies are that smart that they know everything with their food or whatever.

Jack: It would be like, can a. Does a baby deer know? Right.

Cristina: Yeah. They still feel like they have to figure out what's the best plant to eat because they can eat the wrong plant and then die of Food poisoning or something. So they gotta still be taught something. It's not all natural, is it?

Jack: I guess. Yeah. So at about two weeks of age, a fawn will start browsing tender vegetation and learn from its mother what plants it eats.

Cristina: Booyah. Wait, how long? Two weeks. Oh my God.

Jack: S**** on the all. All the other things that eat living things. Crapping on it. Lightning speed.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's not automatic either. There's nothing that just automatically knows what to eat. Maybe fish.

Jack: You think there's. Okay. Screwfish. You don't think there's any mammal that just born knowing?

Cristina: No, no. I think they have to figure it out. There's some learning curve going on. You can't just naturally know. Okay, this is what I eat. Maybe insects, maybe frogs. No, frogs have a whole life cycle thing going on. Yeah, frogs are weird, complicated thing going on.

Jack: Additionally, a frog is not an insect.

Cristina: No, I'm just naming animals.

Jack: But insects are not animals.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: And spiders are. Arachnids.

Cristina: Yes. Well, I'm talking about creatures then.

Jack: Living creature just born knowing what to do.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Fish for sure.

Cristina: And spiders for sure. Right.

Jack: Yeah, there's probably. Probably all the insects.

Cristina: All the insects, yeah.

Jack: Yeah. I don't think anybody taught an ant how to go be an ant. I just thought this is kind of. Again, it's automatic behavior.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If you have. If you're entirely automatic behavior, then you're good to go.

Cristina: Yes, but I guess it's not the same with mammals.

Jack: No, Mammals have a whole learning issue going on. So do birds, for whatever reason.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, they do. Except for like one bird I found that it's not. Well, the parent doesn't baby the babies, I guess is.

Jack: What do you mean? Is this born smart?

Cristina: Yes. Well, I don't know if it's born smart, but the parents, like. You know how all birds usually incubate their babies by sitting on them? Yeah, they don't do that. They build a mound that's like a pit for the eggs to stay warm.

Jack: Yeah, I've heard of that. A couple of birds did that.

Cristina: And this one, the. It's called a megapod. Megapod. Megapod. I hope I'm saying that right. Megapods. Megapods. Have you heard this bird?

Jack: No.

Cristina: It looks like a chicken or a rooster. I'm not sure.

Jack: Foul of some sort.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, they're cute, but yeah, like, they don't take care of their babies like other birds. Like, most birds sit on their babies. These birds don't. And then their babies fly away after 24 hours.

Jack: After they hatch.

Cristina: Well, they don't fly away. They can fly within 24 hours of hatching.

Jack: Hatching, yes.

Cristina: I'm not. I don't know if they can fly away and then just disappear.

Jack: That's pretty hardcore. So that's a super bird.

Cristina: Yeah, and. Yeah, that's why.

Jack: That's pretty impressive. So there's a super bird that within 24 hours. You know what's really haunting me though? I'm just over here thinking about, like, what could really f*** with a hippo. That's all that. I. I'm over all this other s***. Like, I want to take out a hippo. That's it. I just want to kill. I want the one thing that could body a hippo. And the first thing that came to mind was like, what's the largest snake in the world?

Cristina: What? Why would that come to mind?

Jack: Because the snake can eat almost anything. And then in doing that's true, I look this up and it's like, nah, man.

Cristina: Not even the biggest.

Jack: No, the biggest snake could not handle. It's too. It's too. A hippos too big. It'd be like trying to eat an elephant in one shot.

Cristina: Okay, so I'm guessing a snake hasn't eaten an elephant either, right?

Jack: Yeah, for sure. It's too exaggerated. It's really probably the largest snakes ever.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Couldn't eat a hippo, but could they.

Cristina: Eat a alligator or something?

Jack: Easily. Easily the biggest snakes ever. Easily.

Cristina: Like, how big can it get though the animal that eats?

Jack: Pretty big. There's some snakes that have a width of three feet.

Cristina: I can't eat a horse though.

Jack: A width of three feet and then it could expand that.

Cristina: Snakes are stretchy, but not enough to. Has there been a snake that ate a horse? That's what I want to know.

Jack: We're trying to kill a hippo. Why are you trying to kill a horse?

Cristina: I don't know. Because it's smaller. But it's not.

Jack: It's a pretty big animal.

Cristina: It's not compared to a hippo.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. That's very tiny.

Cristina: Although I don't imagine, like, how the snake would have gotten to the horse. That would be crazy. So what can kill a hippo?

Jack: So first the horse. A python could eat a horse?

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah. In fact, Dr. Google says a Burmese.

Cristina: Python can eat a horse.

Jack: Can eat a horse.

Cristina: I wonder if it has eaten a horse. Are they just saying, like, from the size its stomach can get?

Jack: No, here's. Here's what I'll say. Here's what I'll say. A snake can easily eat a horse because a horse is not absorbently fat. You crush the horse.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Its legs fold, it goes into your body. It is about roughly like two humans.

Cristina: But has it done that?

Jack: Don't know. Probably. We wouldn't know. We haven't seen all the horses and all the snakes. We haven't seen all the horse snakes. Interaction interactions, you know. Yeah, but like physical ability alone. H*** no. A snake cannot f*** with a hippo. A hippos as wide as it is tall.

Cristina: So what can do it Eat a.

Jack: Hippo if it wasn't a snake. That's why I thought snake. If it wasn't a snake. It's just not happening. No, it's just not happening.

Cristina: A shark. I don't know how that situation.

Jack: Fair enough. It would have to be that we're not talking mammals anymore, we're not talking predators. We're just at this point like what random animal who couldn't even encounter a hippo would eat a hippo?

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, so then shark works. Okay.

Jack: No, a shark wouldn't like.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure it's too random.

Jack: It's pretty random. Okay, okay, you want to know about shark immediately into. Into forums with some experts and some casuals and the experts immediately jump into saying a great white is the comparison you got to make. That's the top of the line when it comes to sharks. Now, problem being, if any shark or if any creature were to take out a hippo, it would have to be in water where you could find the hippo. And the hippo is not the supreme being. If the hip. If there were to be any animal to survive a great white attack, it would, interestingly enough, be a hippo. So this is the best comparison because it's the water creature that would most likely survive a great white attack and the great white would. And the creature that the great white would struggle the most with simultaneously, these are exactly what it is. So the great white can take out most things. The hippo would be the thing it would struggle most with. And what is most likely to survive the great white attack? It won't be the hippo.

Cristina: So we have no idea what could take them. A hippo still.

Jack: Well, the idea here would be the hippo is faster than a human in the water, but not faster than a fish in the water. So the hippo would have the. The clumsy difficulty happening in the water as compared to a shark. It's very clumsy. And the shark could literally swim circles around it. Yeah, the shark does have the lack of reverse, that's a problem. A lot of sharks can't back up.

Cristina: Another bigger bite.

Jack: The hippo has a bigger bite, Definitely.

Cristina: Has the rougher skin as well.

Jack: Yes. Sharks just happen to be so dangerous. They don't need the sharpest, I mean, the thickest skin, but they do have tougher teeth. While the hippo on the other hand has not the toughest teeth but the biggest mouth. So it could have a lot. Now it has way more pressure in its jaw than a shark. This is pretty like experts hopping popped in here immediately they're just like, this is a fascinating question. So the hippo or the shark, if the shark is hungry enough, it would be desperate enough and just maybe persist and that, that could probably tip the scale. The hippo wouldn't try to eat the shark, it would try to kill the shark, but it has less motivation than the shark has.

Cristina: But they're both doing it to survive.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: The shark needs to eat the hipple to survive and the hippo needs to kill off the shark to survive?

Jack: Yes. Okay, fair enough. Here's the hippo will feel less problems happening, the shark will feel more. The hippo's used to crap trying to with it, but it's always the victor, so it's less worried about things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shark is like, if I don't eat this thing, I'm gonna die. The desperation might be the fuel.

Cristina: Okay, man.

Jack: Interesting. Yes.

Cristina: But is there a better animal or is this the best we can find? Like.

Jack: Well, somebody just. You said shark.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So I found shark.

Cristina: No. Yeah, but we can think of something better.

Jack: What would be better than a shark? It seems to be the most balanced match. We'd have to find something that's into scale. I suppose the argument would be is there a whale big enough to one shot? A hippo?

Cristina: No way. A blue whale. It's pretty big.

Jack: How big?

Cristina: Bigger than like a bunch of elephants.

Jack: How many elephants equals a blue whale?

Cristina: 14 to 21.

Jack: So it's excessively large.

Cristina: It's humongous. It wouldn't do anything to the hippo, though. I can't imagine that it would. I don't think blue whales eat meat or anything.

Jack: They probably do, just not casually like that.

Cristina: But orcas can do something. Maybe.

Jack: Orcas?

Cristina: Orcas, they can kill whales. The blue whale, I mean.

Jack: Fair enough. Some of them can flat out eat a whale.

Cristina: Eat a whale?

Jack: Yes. Now that they would. I mean, what the h***. I said whale. I mean, I guess they couldn't eat a whale. They would Gang up and just like mess it up. Fight it like a gang. Rape it or something.

Cristina: They would kill it. They would kill a young whale.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know if they'll eat it.

Jack: Maybe they eat it, but a whale will definitely body a hippo.

Cristina: Yeah, it's huge.

Jack: So will it elephant. Of course.

Cristina: Elephants are hu. Well, I guess compared to hippos, they're pretty big. Yeah, but who's smarter? Cat versus a hippo versus elephant.

Jack: I think it would be an elephant by miles.

Cristina: It's bigger and smarter.

Jack: It's bigger and smarter. It's way more powerful and just one of the most intelligent beings on earth, period.

Cristina: I don't see an elephant fighting a hippo though. Unless a hippo tried to mess with it for fun.

Jack: Yeah, Like a hippo would be like, well, he's an idiot, whatever.

Cristina: And then he will lose.

Jack: It's weird. A hippos think of us as human more than we think of hippos. That's a living thing. Not hippos, elephants. Elephants see humans as humans more than elephants see elephants as a thinking creature.

Cristina: Say that again.

Jack: Elephants see humans as humans. We're thinking. We're critical. They see that more than an elephant will see a person be completely normal and register that they are people or something like that. I don't know. I lost my train of thought.

Cristina: Are you saying the elephant sees a person more than a person?

Jack: Yes. A person feels an elephant isn't conscious and elephant knows a human is.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But outside the point we know elephant would body a hippo.

Cristina: Yes, that's the main thing. The elephant be the hippo.

Jack: That's the main lesson in life.

Cristina: Yes. We've done it. We figured it out. It's an elephant.

Jack: Yes. Yeah. So I guess that's the solution. An elephant and a blue whale will both body a hippo.

Cristina: Well, doesn't count. Because it wouldn't.

Jack: Fair enough. If it had to, it would.

Cristina: If it had to, it would. Would it?

Jack: I don't know. It wouldn't. But if it had to, it would.

Cristina: What about the hippo versus the orca? Wouldn't it be the same thing?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because if a orca. What? No. Or was it a shark? What did you say before? It was a shark. A starving shark versus a hippo. The starving shark will win.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because it needs to. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: Essentially it needs. In order to survive.

Cristina: Yeah. So wouldn't it be the same with the. With what was the thing that we were just talking about? The orca?

Jack: No, hippo.

Cristina: The whale.

Jack: Yes. The other One.

Cristina: The whale versus the hippo. I can't remember.

Jack: It doesn't matter. Point is, hippos are pretty hard to be in.

Cristina: Elephants are probably harder and smarter. And smarter.

Jack: So it is what it is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys like how absurd this conversation was, you can feel free to find us on social media. JustConvopod.

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Cristina: Riches. And let someone who might like this.

Jack: Show know about it, because word of mouth matters.

Cristina: Exactly. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Which is weird because it means to some degree, Martin Luther King is also connected to Santa.

Cristina: That is what? Weird. Yeah. But does he know about the penguins? Do you think he knew about the penguins?

Jack: Who?

Cristina: Martha Luther King?

Jack: I don't know if he knew about the penguins. I know that anybody who has to cross the Arctic must interact with the penguins.

Cristina: And if you are, we just recently learned about chimeras. So how long have they been existing?

Jack: Oh, I'm calling them a chimera. I don't really know. Again, there's no. I don't know what they are. Oh, it's an assumption.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know what they are. Yeah, they're not birds, because we know that's bullshit.

Cristina: They're not related to Scooby Doo.

Jack: They're maybe. I don't know. They come from the other side of the wall. I could not tell you anything. I am not allowed to research over there. I can venture over there, but it's not our business. Yeah, it's not our job to go over the wall and do anything lame.

Cristina: But I guess, yeah, we work with.

Jack: Earthly affairs inside the wall and anything supernatural outside the planet.

Cristina: Outside the planet, man. Well, how. But how much supernatural things are happening right outside the wa.

Jack: Don't know. Not allowed to look.

Cristina: Not allowed to look. What if it's helpful, though?

Jack: Doesn't matter. We got to figure it out. What's in here?

Cristina: Wow. That's lame. Do you think we could, though? Because the other Earth has an Arctic. What if we examine their Arctic? Or it would be different.

Jack: I'm guessing it'll probably be different. I don't know. There's parallel nests going on.

Cristina: Yeah. So maybe they have a wand.

Jack: Depends. Is there wall? Is there. Do they have flat Earthers? I don't know.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

November 12, 2022

Rambling 200: The Jersey Devil

November 12, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the origin of the Jersey Devil? What would the Jersey Devil even be? Are there other creatures similar to the Jersey Devil? The Duo unpack one of Jersey’s weirder mythologies, and deep dive into the reality of the matter when it comes to the Jersey Devil and what creatures could have fueled the inception of this tale.

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Topics Discussed:

Weird New Jersey
Benjamin Franklin
Jersey Devil
Mystical Creatures
The Chupacabra
Banshees
Strange Birds
Rare Bats

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

November 05, 2022

Rambling 199: Historically Bad Heroes

November 05, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who are the Heroes of today’s society? Why have we picked these specific individuals? Are they the saints we paint them out to be? The duo unpacks the corrupt nature of some of the world’s most adored heroes in an episode that has #cancelled written all over it. Worst of all, what good came from our scariest monsters from history? The revelations made are more than most sensitive individuals can handle!

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Topics Discussed:

MLK Gay Sex Parties
Oskar Schindler Death Camps
Nelson Mandela’s 19 Murder Victims
Gandhi’s Child Molestation and Racism
Abraham Lincoln’s Negro Death Camps
Christopher Columbus resulted in the U.S.A.
Hitler’s Actions Result in Fantastic Scientific Advancements
Why Older Men are Pedophilic in Nature

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Some baffling ideas.

Jack: Yeah. First of all, this is my, like, nerdy voice. When I come with information ready, I gotta sound like this always. I don't know why nerds on TV always have this kind of voice going. Like, it can't be a real sharp, cool nerd. It always has to be like a scrawny whack nerd.

Cristina: It sounds like he. His nose is very stuffy.

Jack: Always has to be. It's part of being super smart. When you're super smart, your nose clogs up. Your brain matter is so like less than.

Cristina: Unpack this real quick.

Jack: Let's unpack. Let's unpack it. It's always the same person who's highly intelligent, right? So something about high intelligence clogs your nose.

Cristina: Presumably you're also blind. You're always wearing glasses.

Jack: You're always wearing glasses. So it's like your brain is essentially feeding on the rest of your body.

Cristina: That's why it's so weak and fragile.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's the idea behind, like the grays. Right? Like that they're really scrawny and like skinny, but got huge heads.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like their eyes, I don't know why they're f****** so huge. But you get the point. So in theory, there must be some connection between the blindness, the scrawniness and the voice being whack and totally being super nasally. So first, first of all, somehow your brain having a lot of information means testosterone shut down. You don't get man degrees of testosterone. Actually, even when you're a female, you get less estrogen than normal too. So you're just like in some ambiguous.

Cristina: Kind of like you're more of a.

Jack: Bro, you gender, like neutral. You're nowhere.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: You're nowhere. It ain't even fluidity. You're not here nor there. You're just kind of some middle ground s***. Then your brain is also, for whatever reason, I guess the eyes are just the closest next thing. And it's like just eating the f****** resources your eyes would be using.

Cristina: Because she's also wearing glasses.

Jack: Yeah. You're thinking Volma from Scooby Doo right off the bat. You said she and I pictured exactly who you're thinking. Yeah, right.

Cristina: Well, She's a good example.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. And like Dexter, like, extra tiny. Everybody. Everybody who's like the smart guy in the team is always the nerd with the glasses.

Cristina: His rival. Dexter's rival. What's his name? Mandar Mandork.

Jack: Well, it's Man Dark, but they used to call him Man Dork.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, he's exact version of the geek.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, super skinny because, like, Dexter's potentially fat. We don't know. He's a baby. Technically. He's like six months old. He's super young.

Cristina: He's a huge baby.

Jack: No, he's not. He's like, probably abnormally small for a baby.

Cristina: Oh, he's not a fat baby.

Jack: He might be, but he's a baby. What baby isn't fat?

Cristina: Oh, okay. I don't know what baby's walking around.

Jack: Yeah, he. Well, super intellect.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: I don't know how that means he's got, like, the body strength to do anything, but whatever, you know?

Cristina: Does that make him a strong baby?

Jack: You guess. But also, his legs are so short. They're not really, like. They're not really supporting much, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If they were longer legs, he'd be like. Well, they'd be wobbly, but it's like he only has these weird stumps he wants.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like, whatever, dude. His arms are also like, short little stompy things. The weird person. But then, so the eyes. You know, blindness is just inherent when you're intelligent. And no testosterone means a weak voice, but no estrogen means a high voice. And you got both going on. So you got some neutral, centered thing going on. And your brain is just eating all your body resources. So you're just really skinny and dying.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: Always. Except Bulma, actually. She's like the hot, busty, curvy, like, super exception nerd. She doesn't fit the box. You know, she doesn't fit the mold. No, I guess she's some other s***.

Cristina: Even when she's working in the lab, she put on glasses there probably.

Jack: She literally can't see without her glasses. That's like her thing. Her thing is how blind she.

Cristina: Bulma. And I was thinking about the Dragon Ball Z lady. What's her name?

Jack: Oh, s***. She's all. That's Bulma. Yeah, she's also like a nerd, but she's another exception.

Cristina: Okay, because that's what I thought you started talking about.

Jack: No, I'm talking Scooby Doo. Like, she's like a mini skirt wearing knee high socks. Like Actually, this disturbingly old guy schoolgirl fantasy is foma.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know what's up with f****** old dudes? I think school girls, bro, they clearly just want to molest the school girl. Yeah, like a lot of people clearly just want to molest a schoolgirl.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: Disturbing, bro. They're just like, wow, this is hot school. And look at how big is it. How. How big in the world is the whole schoolgirl cosplay thing? I'm gonna be the teacher and you're the naughty student and I got the ruler and whoops, I gotta pull your skirt up and spank you with my. Because you've been a bad girl and I'm the teacher and that's what I do. It's like, bro, so you're telling me your fantasy is f*** a kid? Is that like.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Am I getting this right? The fantasy is f*** a kid in a classroom when nobody's seeing, but you can in theory get caught, but you don't because you're a clever enough teacher to f*** the kid and get away.

Cristina: I guess. But in the fantasy, does this kid also want it? I don't.

Jack: I think so. I think the fantasy is not rape.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: The fantasy is I want to f*** a kid that wants to f*** me back in class in order to not get punished. So you know what? Maybe there is some. For some vague. Me too, is kind of rape going on because it's like a power rape as opposed to a violent rape. It's the whole, you're going to do it because you don't know. You feel in a jam. You don't know what else to do.

Cristina: Going to get bad grades if you don't.

Jack: Yeah. And then my parents are going to beat the s*** out of me and I'm more scared of that. So I'm going to let this other human enter my body. As opposed to taking the pain of being hit, I'm going to take the pain of this other human entering my body. Thus fantasy. Because, guys. Yay. Yeah. Well, look, humans are disturbing in general, I guess.

Cristina: Yes. There's people that just do disturbing things in general.

Jack: Look, it's usually the people who are like kindness, right? Like there's no pure evil out there. I don't believe in that. I think it's all the good people who are truly like, your next door neighbor just wants to f*** a kid. That's just all it. He doesn't. He doesn't.

Cristina: Or a dog.

Jack: Or dog. He was f****** dog. He just. Look, it's fine, dude. He didn't know. They don't do it. They don't do it. They want to do it. They really want to do it. There's nothing they want to do more. But they're not gonna do it. Because you're like, I'm not gonna go to prison forever either. I like, yes, this is what I want to do most, but I don't want to do that more than I do want to do this. So it is what it is.

Cristina: And online there's so many stories that are as disturbing. I don't know if it's real. The stories that are online that are like, are people really doing these things? Like, dog thing. Is this real?

Jack: All of it. All of it. You gotta understand that everybody's weird and Scott s***, like closets are filled with things.

Cristina: Okay? Cuz there was a story though that a guy was like eating his poop for fun. And then I guess he dies. That's the end of the story.

Jack: That story checks out. That sounds like, I think that story is real because he didn't like get superpowers or get stronger or survive. He just died.

Cristina: Yeah, it feels right, but it was like, you know, it took a while. He didn't die immediately. I think it probably a week or two of eating his puppy.

Jack: Not long enough to say he was doing it for fun. He was just kind of experimenting the scene.

Cristina: No, he was describing it as like, it was for fun. He was enjoying it. He loved it. He was describing how amazing it felt in his mouth.

Jack: His own poop. I mean, it is what it is, man. Some people, people like weird s***.

Cristina: You think that's a real thing though?

Jack: Yes, look, everybody, without exception, even you, even me, everybody has something really weird. Really weird.

Jack: It's like, okay, look, there's literally a letter out there. There's a letter out there by a priest, a black African American priest. And he wrote this letter saying, I am tired. I am so tired of everybody around me looking at Dr. Martin Luther King like he's a f****** hero. And then I to hang out with this guy and I just end up at some weird sex orgy with him. That's not how a priest is supposed to behave. That is a real letter that this got two letters actually this guy sent complaining about Dr. Martin Luther King. He keeps having sex orgies and he's like, when people don't want to participate, he talks about how we're going to teach him to be better. It's like, whoa, okay. So like the biggest he. And no, the craziest part is he's.

Cristina: Pressuring people to have guys.

Jack: It's a gay sex orgy. He takes part in gay sex orgies. There's two letters directly saying, Dr. Dr. Martin Luther King continues to participate in gay sex orgies. And that's not priest, like. And I. I don't want.

Cristina: I'm pressuring these people.

Jack: Well, no, no, not everybody. A bunch of people are just into it, okay? And first of all, sketchy letter, bro. Why are you there?

Cristina: Yeah. Second, did he pressure him or was he.

Jack: I mean, he could have been pressured.

Cristina: But that's not even.

Jack: That's not even the point. The point is that he's there having f****** gay sex with a bunch of dudes. And, like, he's enjoying it. And, like, he then goes out and he's like, that's wrong. Because God said.

Cristina: I don't know. Was he saying that? I mean, he probably was saying he's a Christian priest.

Jack: He was definitely above all saying that. Yes, but that's my point. Everybody.

Cristina: Everybody expected from a Christian priest that he would.

Jack: It checks out. Funniest thing is how the black community is so opposed to anything homosexual, but their worship of Dr. Martin Luther King in the first place is like. So you worship arguably the gayest figure you've ever considered in your mind, except you don't really know the gayest figure in your mind because he kept that part secret. But that's how often you might just be like, how many of the rappers you just find awesome or just total facades. And the second they walk off stage and you're like, yeah, I want to be like that guy. He just sticks the fattest d*** in his f****** mouth.

Cristina: I hope it's Drake. No.

Jack: Anybody? Bro? Point being, the. The community is like, no, that's wrong. And it's like your hero, the guy who fought for your rights, the guy you defend the hardest, was sucking so much d***, bro. Oh, and his a** was so filled.

Cristina: How dare he.

Jack: He was so stuffed. He was like a turkey person that's.

Cristina: Complaining about it, like, describing what was.

Jack: No, no, okay. He's more complaining of, like, I'm tired really respecting this guy. And like, this is what a. This is what a priest should behave like. Not partaking in gay sex orgies, but for whatever reason, he continues to do that. And all of you still worship the ground he walks on. But my only question is, how do you know, bro? Why are you there? You're also at gay sex orgies. You might not be having gay sex, but you're kind of sus.

Cristina: Because you're Close enough to him, like, know his secret like that.

Jack: Not even close enough to him. You're just wherever the f*** he's hanging out. You don't. You don't need to be close to him. Let's just assume you're at a priest hangout where casually it just turns into gay sex orgies.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And it's like, well, you're kind of there, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, let's say walk away and you have no stories. Unless. Unless Dr. Martin Luther King is always the initiator too. He's like, hey, guys, it's gay sex orgy time. Then you're like, imma go. But you already know, and you're only completely. Maybe in the letter it was specifically just complaining about Dr. Martin Luther King. But it's also like, that guy is so famous. Who else would you talk about?

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. It was just hate.

Jack: Because it was hate. It's like, stop sucking d*** because you're. You're too famous. And a priest.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I got a hand priest.

Cristina: Do their thing.

Jack: He could. Bob over there. Nobody knows who Bob is. You see how deep that d*** is inside Bob? That's fine because nobody knows who Bob is. Yeah, but you see how deep that d*** is inside you. People gonna be looking at your a****** to see if you've had d*** deep in there. So, like, don't. Don't have d*** deep in there because people gonna be looking at your a******, and then we're all gonna look bad.

Cristina: Ye. What the letters were.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be. Look, it's not my place to tell the black community that they worship a gay black guy, but they do, and it just is what it is. But those are just secrets. Everybody's got that thing going on probably nowhere near that degree.

Cristina: That's pretty.

Jack: That's pretty up there. But it's. That's my point. That it's just like everybody does. Everybody's got a weird, twisted fantasy. Yeah. Some people want to f*** their dogs. Yeah. Like a good giant portion of guys just want to go f*** a minor. And like, some black guys just want to suck d***. And usually it's the more famous ones that hide it well. And the communities worship the ground they walk on and then hate all the gays when in reality, you're worshiping the gayest of them all.

Cristina: How well was that secret, though? It's a party. So there's a more than one person.

Jack: Yeah, no, it wasn't that well of a secret. It's just. There's a lot of denial in the Black community too. It's kind of like that line from Biggie singing, she's so hot, I'll suck her daddy's d*** or some s***. It's like, like, whoa, you're the rapper. They worship. And then. Look, let's just like go off on a, on a racially charged tangent right now. They worship Dr. Martin Luther King, who does gay sex parties. Their favorite rapper is a guy who says he'll suck some dude's d***. And then they call all the women b****** and all the guys are men. Men. Like, come on. Just. There's a lot of gay happening there. Like a lot of gay happening and a lot of denial happening surrounding that gay. Where it's like, no, that's some gay s***. I'm not gonna f***. And like, why are you so worried about what some other guy is f******? Huh? That's kind of gay.

Cristina: That's kind of gay.

Jack: It's kind of gay. You're worrying about what some guys f******. That's kind of gay.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Who cares if he's f****** another guy? Why do you specifically care? Do you want to be the guy he's f******, maybe? Or like, well, he's not f****** a chick. Yeah, but why do you care? You see how weird it gets when you just ask a couple of questions?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, spinning back off of that tangent. I'm so posh. Spitting off of that tan.

Cristina: Tangent, tangent. Someone saying it like that immense.

Jack: I. No, you know, somebody's singing like that because I, I just did. That means somebody out there says it like that normally because like, my mouth made the sound and there's too many variants out there. Somebody says, tangent, tangent, tangent.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Gonna go off on a tangent. Sounds right. Go off on a tangent. Anyways, point being, there's a lot of hidden stuff out there. A lot of dark out there. But one of the biggest things is kind of people like Martin Luther King. Think about, like Epstein, super famous child molester, but like also just a famous guy. Bill Cosby, he was, he was famous for like, I don't know, just hanging out with rich people. Bill Cosby, absurdly famous comedian. People in the background, but super worshiped comedian. Like, he was great until he wasn't.

Cristina: Until we found out he was a raper.

Jack: A raper rapist. And this brings me to the conclusion that all the heroes of the world are this kind of problem. And they all got, like, weird closeted things going on.

Cristina: Every hero, everybody.

Jack: Like, look, let's go to like one of the, the great peacemakers of all Time Gandhi, great, fantastic peacemaker. Absolutely known for doing some of the one food wise aiming towards protecting animals and taking care of your body by avoiding. He was like beyond vegan. He was just eating like fruits that didn't have seeds and nuts and crap like that. You know, just way specific things. And he, he managed to. He proposed many peace treaties and accomplished many of them. He was just great, fantastic hero. Like Dr. Martin Luther King. The guy who f**** guys. That's what I just know him for from now on.

Cristina: Is he f****** guys?

Jack: Well, no. He was f****** minors. No, because he would get. Well how old is this man? 70. And he would get naked little girls to sleep on his bed to test his restraint.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Now this doesn't mean he's actually f****** the kids. This just tells factually he wants to f*** this kid. They're all girls. He's at least not gay like Dr. Martin Luther King. But he's definitely a pedophile.

Cristina: What is wrong with these parents?

Jack: But he's like I'm going to have this little girl. Well he's Gandhi. You're definitely gonna feed your children to Gandhi. If anybody's gonna moles this my kid, it better be Gandhi or Jackson.

Cristina: Yeah, you know it's one of these people situation.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Hey, that's what he was doing. He's just testing his strength.

Jack: He was. Yeah, fair enough. Michael Jackson is just like I want to these kids but I'm not going to. And like proof he did in the case of Gandhi. He gets these people, they're in the bed and the. The goal is.

Cristina: Are they naked?

Jack: Yes, you're naked. The goal is. I'm not gonna them.

Cristina: Is he naked?

Jack: Unclear. Okay, he's not f****** the children. He might be. Who knows. You know how Indian clothes is. It's like mainly loose garbage you could just throw off. It's real easy to just done because like drapes and. Well in that times like drapes and s*** anyways point being naked little girls on your bed at night because self control. But what are you self controlling? The urge to f*** the little girl. That's all that he's controlling.

Cristina: Yeah. No one thought like there should be an age limit to who we sent to him or something like no one.

Jack: Nope. But that's not even like. Yes. That's actually the worst thing he did. It was pretty bad. Other things like his blatantly open and quite vocal support of white supremacy. He really believed white people were just better and like yeah, got me like let's be real. They run everything and they're like the vast minority. So like the argument is kind of strong in their favor if we were to pick one. Although my argument still stands that it's probably Mexicans because they can get way more done in the last time. And it's like if they really wanted to go into action, what white guy is gonna really win? Nah, bro, they're just gonna get over populate you overnight if they felt like it.

Cristina: The Mexican.

Jack: Yeah, the Mexican.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like that's the ultimate race. But they're like quiet about, they don't care. They just give them a beer or something, they'll be happy. But it's Mexicans on top, then white people, then Indians, I guess, and then black people at the bottom. And there's a bunch of races missing. But like, I'm only talking very strange tier list. Yeah, it's a strange tier list. Gandhi really just thought white people than Indians and blacks. He just thought his real thoughts vocally and like in paper and letters and stu are just give us more rights than the black people to prove we're better. And then you're running things. Pretty sweet. Keep it how it's going. That's the summary. Just do what you're doing. You get you white people. You got it. Just look, don't treat us like black people. That's all I ask. Make us better and keep doing what you're doing.

Cristina: Does he wants at least to be equal to the white people or he's like, nah, we don't have to be equal to you. At least let us be better than them.

Jack: He specifically wanted to be equal to white people. He, he, not the Indians. He. He's not like, my people are equal to white people. No, no, no, no. I'm equal to white people. My people can suck it.

Cristina: Okay? But he wants his people to be.

Jack: Better than black, better off than blacks. Yes, because he was racist.

Cristina: Okay. But he's like, they're not better than you guys.

Jack: Yeah, now my people could never.

Cristina: But they're not.

Jack: No, no, no, I'm not better. I'm equal.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: I don't think he could fathom better. What would he do better than a white person, malnourished, 70 year old guy like, bro, you're not getting far. You're just gonna die one day. And then he did.

Cristina: He did.

Jack: And then the last laugh was on all of us.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because he didn't like, he's dead.

Cristina: Oh, he slept with so many little girls.

Jack: We don't know that because the idea was restraint.

Cristina: Well, I Didn't say he had sex.

Jack: Literally said, I don't know. You literally being slapped.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. That checks out. Yeah. That's how often stuff like that happens. All the heroes. All heroes think of. Think of this really obvious one that nobody ever gives thought to. And it kind of throws me off that nobody thinks about it. And it's like, Oskar Schindler. Yes. He's well known for having a camp in which he allowed the Jews to practice their religion and live normal lives during World War II. Now, let's take a couple of steps back in that story. This is. Start rewinding. And eventually we get into, like, a breaking point. Before he started being nice to them, but he still had a camp. And you just. Okay, you hit the point. Just keep rewinding little by little. See how that. What does that part of the film that we don't really get look like? What is that part of the book.

Cristina: That we don't get? Just like everyone else.

Jack: He had to be, because you were just getting orders like everybody else. And then you come in and you do what you're doing, and then they convince you, and you're like, ah, they're people too. How many did he kill, though?

Cristina: They don't have any history on that. I mean, they probably do.

Jack: I wasn't on the card. Oh, but that's interesting, right?

Cristina: That is interesting. Probably did kill some.

Jack: He definitely did. He definitely got many Jews killed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're like, yeah. You know, we forget s***. We forget s***. Humans don't give a f***.

Cristina: But he changed. He became a hero.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Totally killed people in a furnace, probably. Or did you run a factory? Some s*** like that? I'm not really even sure. Interesting enough. Way worse than that. What's worse is the blatant outward approach, not even trying to hide it. Nelson Mandela was responsible for a car bombing that took out 19 people for a fact.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It is how he was handling his business and he got a car to go do bombing.

Cristina: Whoa. Whaat.

Jack: Yeah. The hero, Nelson Mandela, is responsible for bare minimum 19 murders over a specific one case. But there are many because Nelson Mandela, criminal, then president.

Jack: However many years in jail.

Cristina: He was in jail for that, though.

Jack: Yeah. He was sending orders out like a good kingpin.

Cristina: Oh, whoa, whoa. What? So, what, he's just killing people off?

Jack: Oh, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: That is so weird. Yeah.

Jack: It's the kind of thing that you don't really think about, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, it doesn't cross anyone's mind. Another interesting one was Abraham Lincoln.

Cristina: What about him?

Jack: He owned slaves. No, it's bullshit. He was avidly against that, but he was totally against cleansing of black people.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You know, the trash isn't like offensive enough to throw them into. Just bury them, that's fine.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Kill the black people.

Cristina: He wanted to kill the black people.

Jack: He wanted to get rid of all the black people so they wouldn't be anywhere near them. Now he also didn't want slaves. He kind of people think the freeing of slaves was because he himself was a good guy. But that's not true. That's never been true. His freeing of the slaves was because it was convenient. He specifically said if keeping the slaves would keep the union together, gladly, I'd do it. He didn't give a f*** about the slaves.

Cristina: But he wanted them dead.

Jack: Yes, he yawned paper many times. And it's presumed that throughout the entire course of his presidency he was trying to convince people to agree to that. But bipartisan reasoning helped avoid that.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because I know he was against black people. He wanted nothing to do with them. Have them gone or. Or gone or gone.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But whichever one you get to first, it is what it is.

Cristina: That is. That's crazy. You want them dead.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: It's hard to choose which one of these are more disturbing.

Jack: Yeah, they're quite baffling, right? Yeah, kind of a problem, but that's the reality of the matter. Closets with skeletons. Many skeletons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Many closets.

Cristina: Having those little girls. Oh my gosh, that's just.

Jack: That's disturbing from Gandhi. Yeah, man. But on the flip side, on the flip side, humans face a level of ignorance where they kind of pick a team, stick to the team, regardless of what the case is, instead of really thinking further ahead. Right. We have medicines that are quite overpowered. We have grade A medicines in the world. We can stop a lot of problems. Greedy. We can solve a lot of problems if we had a better distribution.

Cristina: Yeah. What's stopping us?

Jack: We suck.

Cristina: Just agree.

Jack: Obviously we suck. This is the clearest answer. Is capitalism is stopping us.

Cristina: Is it capitalism?

Jack: Maybe, I don't know, something stopping us. But the point is that there are things we could solve. There are problems that shouldn't be problems in the world that are problems at this moment. And like, that's our fault. And like, that goes back to the whole closets thing. Right? We got horrible things. Many, many people we consider heroes do horrible things. But. But in return, there must also be horrible people who are responsible for amazing things like that mobster. I forget his name. The one who's responsible for the tracking label on all products so that you know how long it takes before it disappears.

Cristina: Oh, wasn't it like a mobster or something?

Jack: He's Al Capone, I think. And he got people to go ahead and do that, and it became the norm because people can stop getting sick and you can protect your neighborhood, which is essentially the place point, you know?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess he's not that big of a monster. I mean, he was probably still killing people or getting people killed is the thing, right?

Jack: Yeah, but think of the super mega badass, right? Christopher Columbus. He kidnapped, raped, he bred and killed black women and Native Americans.

Cristina: Whoa. That's your average white guy back then.

Jack: Average white guy also. 100%. All of the United States wouldn't exist without him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oof. Like, yeah, give the man his respect. He did horrible s***, but you're here because of it. You know, that's a crazy point of view. People don't like. Oh, no. But no, it wouldn't have happened again. Somebody different, and it would have played out differently.

Cristina: Yes. And a lot of Native Americans are dead, thanks to the church.

Jack: Yeah. To Christianity. God hates Native Americans, apparently.

Cristina: I guess so.

Jack: And, like, that's the reality of matter. Right. So we have this man who. Polar opposite to all those heroes that just had dark s*** that people, on average, would ignore. For the person here, we have a series of bad things, of good things that are ignored because a person is bad.

Cristina: Well, they weren't. I mean, now they are shown. But, like, for a long time, we were all, like, ignoring all that bad stuff. He was just a hero, like all these other examples you gave.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're ignoring all the bad stuff.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All his bad is ignored the way. Well, all of the above is ignored. Yes, the way. You know, because the. He's. I guess, yeah, he's considered a good guy, but he's like.

Cristina: More recently, he looks like a bad guy, but.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It wasn't that long ago where he was the good guy.

Jack: Well, on the flip side, that's exactly what happens with Hitler.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Well, he might be responsible for World War II, but all the things World War II is responsible for.

Cristina: Whoa, what do you mean?

Jack: There's many things that World War II is responsible for. Innovations, technology, during.

Cristina: Oh, you're saying good things.

Jack: Yeah. And like. Yeah, it is what it is. He did things that led to better things. And, like, no one's gonna thank him.

Cristina: For that.

Jack: Nobody's gonna thank him for the work he put to change the world. I mean, think of it. The Jeep is a World War II invention.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, that's an off road masterpiece.

Cristina: I guess. But that's not like. I mean, is there something better than that?

Jack: Better than a Jeep? Probably not.

Cristina: Probably not. That came from the World War II.

Jack: Oh, yeah. There's a billion trillion things that came from there. Pick out of a hat, whichever one you feel more comfortable with. Default. That's a better one.

Cristina: But you have other examples. I mean.

Jack: Yeah, like jet engine.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Yeah. It sounds absorbently complicated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. And other things include like the microwave oven. That's also a World War II thing.

Cristina: Okay. But like they, we. They wouldn't have come up with those things like during that time without the war.

Jack: Doubt it. They waited until the very time that they were working under Hitler to do it. That doesn't check out.

Cristina: But they weren't already working on it. And it just so happens to be done by that time or something.

Jack: It could totally be. But also we know factually that Germany was really good about scooping up global different scientists to be able to accomplish a bunch of things, which makes it a bit unrealistic.

Cristina: And these things are all German things, though.

Jack: What do you mean all German things? Oh, yeah, I guess so. Like the electronic computer is also duct tape or the big one, which is penicillin.

Cristina: They said duct tape?

Jack: Yeah, that's just some of the things. There's like a million other things.

Cristina: Oh, but that all those things came from that country at that time. Or just we're just naming a bunch of things that happened during that time.

Jack: We're talking about things that happen in that country.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's a lot of crap.

Jack: Yeah. The problem is they took the smartest Jews, not Jews, the smartest Nazis, put them together, and came up with this thing. Schrodinger's cat is the same idea. I believe it's also just a German experiment, but that's much more annoying to move around.

Cristina: What? Huh? The idea came from that time.

Jack: What?

Cristina: The Schrod. How do you say it? Schrodinger's cat came from that time.

Jack: Yeah. That's a concept that was invented then.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool.

Jack: Yeah, all that stuff, like so much happened at that point in time that led to amazing sciences of all sorts, amazing innovations and creations. Penicillin being the most overpowered of them all. The ability to kill a bug inside the body almost for certain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By taking a pill.

Cristina: No, we can live forever. No, not really. But way longer than before.

Jack: Always. Always the case.

Cristina: Yeah. But this helped a lot.

Jack: What helped World War II?

Cristina: The penicillin. Pelicillin.

Jack: Penicillin.

Cristina: Penicillin.

Jack: Yes, the penicillin did. Amazing. But the point is ultimately the same thing that, you know, we. I guess the idea is that we just tune out things that people are responsible for when the narrative doesn't fit. We can't say Hitler did it, but he's responsible for such good things. We gotta be like, he's always been evil and everything that came out of his existence is evil. And it's like your life would be garbage had he not murdered a bunch of people.

Cristina: So we just ignore things.

Jack: We ignore things in order to feel good about the fact that we consume things on the bodies of dead Jews. Like, that's the reality of the matter. We have a bunch of this crap, like a microwave that everybody uses every day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That only exists because he killed a bunch of Jews. Gotta take one with the other.

Cristina: That's a lot to take in. That's a lot. I mean, we're here because of dead Indians and Native Americans, probably Chinese. There's a lot of dead people involved in.

Jack: I mean, now you're talking about something completely different. Right. We're talking about, at this point, the idea that we need these dead people. Without these dead people, it would have been possible. If we're talking, like, you know, Christopher Columbus, he's way important because the United States would only exist because of him. But also, he enslaved a bunch of people and, like, kidnapped people and raped and pillaged and whatever.

Cristina: But.

Jack: But here's. Here's the problem.

Cristina: What?

Jack: We're not thinking about the fact that these people kind of had to die in order for now to be now. The way now is now. Like, every. Everything that's ever happened led to now. That's a fact. Everything that's ever happened led to this moment. So we kind of needed the things that have taken place to take place in order for now to be the way it is.

Cristina: Who would now be better without those things?

Jack: Why was. That's. That's a question that doesn't even make any sense. Because we. We just. We're not in the alternate timeline in which that happened. We're just now.

Cristina: Yeah, we're just.

Jack: All we can confirm is, and those dead people died so that now can happen the way now is happening.

Cristina: Yes, but now we don't have to repeat what we saw or what we did.

Jack: Nobody's saying we're gonna Repeat it. Yeah, we're just saying it's very important that however many people died, like let's. Let's take a trip and wander and we get to Canada and we look into. We're just going through records and we find a building, and we check in the building and we find what? Just a. A bunch of dead children?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Well, guess what people those dead children made. Now, how somehow that improved Canada, or not improved Canada, but it led Canada to be what Canada is right now. So if you love Canada, you have to love those dead children for dying and how they died, because whoever suppressed it, whoever put them in there, let them die, whatever the case might be, then suppressed all the information. They benefited from this. And somehow you benefited from them benefiting from this.

Cristina: Yes. Like what we did with the mentally challenged. How would I say, you know, the people that were special, I guess, that we murdered off. Yeah, like all those people.

Jack: Yeah, all those people needed to die in order for us to then have better genes and then reproduce and then have less of that going on. It's kind of a necessity. Everything. Everything led to. Now. You gotta understand, it's not just that Martin Luther King loves gay sex orgies. It's not just that Hitler killed a bunch of Jews and thus the world became better somehow because technologies came from it. Not because he killed the Jews, but because technologies can't. I mean, out of context, somebody. Somebody's gonna take all these clips and from these clips they are going to make the most offensive. Out of context, they're gonna. I mean, man, they're gonna try to cancel us eventually. But here's the thing, we're uncancelable.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we're the boss.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, we're not gonna fire ourselves.

Jack: Yeah, who's gonna show up and be like, hey, hey, you guys. You guys gotta go. We're firing you. You can't. You can't do this anymore. Like, bro, I own everything.

Cristina: But could, like, Spotify be like, we're not playing your stuff anymore, Apple or whatever?

Jack: I guess they could, but chances are they would just slap a warning on us or something because they're not hypocrites like that. Spotify and like Netflix. Irrational thinking companies that don't bend to the left.

Cristina: Okay, so.

Jack: So there's really nothing anybody could do. And like, to be honest, what would they be angry at? In fact. In fact, pay attention to article number one. This here is literally the letter that was sent about Dr. Martin Luther King. I will read it for you.

Cristina: Yes, please.

Jack: Now, it starts where we're addressing the homosexual part specifically. Everything's cut out just so you could see the basic thing. So an all night sex orgy was held with these prostitutes and some of the delegates in attendance. One room had a large table in it which was filled with whiskey. The two Negro prostitutes were paid $50 to put on a sex show for the entertainment of guests. A variety of sex acts deviating from the normal were observed. Previous sexual experiences. This activity is not new to King and his associates. As early as January 1964, King engaged in another two day drunken sex orgy in Washington D.C. many of those present engaged in sexual acts natural as well as unnatural for the entertainment of onlookers. When one of the females shied away from engaging in unnatural acts, King and others of the males present discuss. Of the males present discussed how she was to be taught and initiated in this respect. Throughout the ensuing years and until this date, King has continued to carry on his sexual aberrations secretly while holding himself out to public view as a moral leader of religious conviction. This is a pastor complaining about how anytime he's chilling with this other pastor who they're allegedly hanging out with to do pastor like things. Hey, we do pastor travels and talk about God and stuff. We go to our hotel and he just invites a bunch of b****** and we got a friend to. And then there's parties and alcohol and s*** and it's like, bro, we. There's alcohol, pastures, prostitutes and like gay going on.

Cristina: It doesn't mention gay.

Jack: Well, no, this is part of the letter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There are many parts of this letter. We can't get to all of it. He was just ranting consistently and complaining about all the ongoing.

Cristina: I don't understand, like he was close enough. He was close enough to know all the secret stuff. What?

Jack: It's not necessarily particularly secretive. It's just not in the public eye.

Cristina: Okay. So he let everyone.

Jack: Everyone is excessive. It's just he was not. He's not like, cover up master. I got a bunch of people burning documents and I go in a cloak into any room. Like, he's not doing any of that stuff successive. It's just like, yeah, whatever, my room is up there and like I'm in a part of the country that nobody really knows who I am by face, by name. So yeah, we could do whatever, you know, he's not going out of his way to like, well, I got to make sure that this signed some documents. If she talks, I can just sue her for everything she's worth for those 50 I gave her, or whatever, all.

Cristina: The initiation and whatever. Like, what did they want her to do that she was like, this isn't for me.

Jack: Blood orgies, obviously. Can you imagine? He's out here sacrificing m************.

Cristina: What? What? Like, it's something he describes as unnatural. He wanted her to do something she was definitely not comfortable with.

Jack: Maybe Martin Luther King was the first guy to have his a****** licked. And, like, he's like, yeah, I love when they do that. But it was. It was super uber gay. And maybe that's the true gayness he was referring to. The problem is there were other references to actual. Like, some tug in here, some suck in there. So, like, he was kind of going all in on it, but it had to be. Unless that's what he meant by a natural. It's like all the homosexual things are the unnatural part.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because black and male, but still the.

Cristina: Gay girl not being comfortable with, like, she's a. She's a prostitute, probably, right? Like, or she a random girl. Because if she's a prostitute, what is gonna make her uncomfortable? If she. Doing it for the money, I guess she. So I guess licking his b*** would be pretty, like.

Jack: Yeah, licking. You gotta understand the pressures of licking are. Are really, really up there. It's new to her. She's. It's 1960s. She's only experience, essentially giving b******* or getting penetrated. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Trying to think of, like, what could be unnatural. That's pretty unnatural, I guess. What if they wanted her to get peed on?

Jack: That's pretty interesting. Were people into that in the 60s? It's possible.

Cristina: It's possible. They would probably consider that unnatural.

Jack: Getting peed on. It's too unnatural.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But, yeah, there's a plethora of things that could be unnatural.

Cristina: You have any more letters or just this one?

Jack: Just this one. To show you some proof of concept right here.

Cristina: That's great.

Jack: Yeah. Dr. Martin Luther King was a unique individual. Now, here's the thing. There were letters sent between many, many people, including Gandhi, to Hitler. And Gandhi sent Hitler some letters, talking to him and referring to him as friend and brother. Now, Gandhi was also exceptionally kind of a person. So he commonly used language like that. You know, it was very normal.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, to anyone, he would say that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: The people he thought was below him.

Jack: Everybody. Everybody. Because he was very kind, even if he wasn't.

Cristina: Okay. Did he have a problem with what Hitler was doing? Or he's like, yeah, you do you. As long as we're equals.

Jack: I. I don't know where he stood on what Hitler was doing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm not entirely sure on that. I know he didn't have. Seem to have a particular problem with Hitler, but he definitely didn't like. Yeah, he didn't have an issue with Hitler as far as the letters go, or he was just being absorbently pleasant. But it doesn't tell us whether he was bothered or not by the things that were happening.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, I don't know what he thought about Jews. That's an interesting question. Was Gandhi a white supremacist? Not even white supremacist. Was he a N***? An Indian N***? He was totally racist.

Cristina: He was. So it's possible. Yes.

Jack: But was he racist towards Jews? It kind of seemed like he just didn't like black people, primarily.

Cristina: What?

Jack: That was like, his main I don't want them around us problem, you know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Hitler. Really, really, really, really not Hitler. Golly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Really, really didn't like black people. That was his, like, shtick.

Cristina: How much black people were in his area?

Jack: All of them.

Cristina: All of them. Where's he from?

Jack: India.

Cristina: India. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Gandhi also had many partners. Man.

Cristina: Partners.

Jack: Yeah, a bunch of women.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Oftentimes teenage girls.

Cristina: Besides little girls that were sleeping in his bed.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He had. Wait, he was sleeping with them?

Jack: Well, here's the thing, and this is what I'm not clear about because.

Cristina: Because I thought he was having sex. Right. Yeah.

Jack: I'm not clear as to whether he. Because in a lot of the research and a lot of the data, it says he was a sex addict. But in a lot of the data, it also says he was very celibate. It's possible one of these came first and the other one second. And I think being a hoe came first. And then he hoed around a lot, and then he was finally like, no, hoeing is bad. And I'm gonna unho. But I'm gonna unho with tiny little girls next to me.

Cristina: I don't know. It could be the opposite as well.

Jack: Because, like, I love being celibate because sex is for noobs. Anybody who gets rid of their ejaculate has inferior energy and will age quicker. Some crap like that he really believed.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But eventually he's like, but them tight tea that. Them tight tween vajayjays is nothing like them.

Cristina: Also, was he seen, like, a celebrity or something?

Jack: He was a. Like a peace preacher, philosophy God person.

Cristina: There was girls throwing themselves. Well, not girls, ladies, hopefully throwing themselves at him.

Jack: I Had a whole conversation about this recently. About how, like, it's not just weird that people. Hey, baby. But like, where that comes from and like the era where this was just common is also like a man and his girl.

Cristina: Still probably common.

Jack: It's pretty common. I'm just saying where it originated from. And like, we all know really what it's hinting at. You know, it's the same thing about, like a teenage girl, knee high socks and, you know, we just had this conversation. The fact that, like, why. Why do guys want skinny, scrawny, teeny weeny, teenage, like, not sometimes teenagers. I guess it's the innocence thing, right? They want innocence. People want to corrupt innocence. I don't know what. Okay, In a similar fashion. In a similar fashion. I. I have a theory. I have a theory and I'll connect. Let's. Let's ground the pedo thing, right? Ground the pedo thing right now. Right now, before we get out of here. Okay, this is my theory. This is my theory on how it's happening. Right, baby? Man and his girl. You know, the things are there. All the parts are there. Okay. All the parts are there. All the parts are there. The opinion of it, there's fantasies guys have of lie. You find this in p*** a lot, actually. Women choking, right? Like, like gagging on d***. Oh, you know, like you've heard it before. The 9,000.

Cristina: Is that what that is? I don't know.

Jack: Just. Just women gagging on d***, essentially. That's a whole thing. Makeup running down her face and the whole nine yards. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's. There's a whole, like, thing about liking petite females. You know, tiny little ladies. Yeah, Tiny curvy ladies, Short women. We like being larger than our women.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this all goes along with one real basic fantasy the guys have.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Them having bigger dicks. Oh, the younger you are, the more likely you're smaller. The bigger your hands or your mouth or your. The bigger the d*** looks like in comparison to your hands, your mouth, any of your holes. So if a tiny hand grabs a d***, my d*** looks bigger. I'm better. If a tiny mouth wraps around my d***. Oh, my d*** is so big. I'm feeling that whole mouth out.

Cristina: That's all it is.

Jack: You see, you see how it kind of lines up?

Cristina: He wants that big d*** energy.

Jack: Big d*** energy. Guys want big d*** energy. Guys love the concept of them having a larger d***. This comes with all the insecurity. But this basically means any guy who's into any of this in the background of their mind is really just dealing. Because you never hear of like a black guy with a gagging fantasy. No, cuz are just gagging on a furreal, bro. It ain't a fantasy, it's a reality. And it's probably annoying. It's probably like handle it, you know? I got a fantasy of you having actual good gag reflexes. To what? While people who don't have that in reality, it's just like, oh, I wish it. But you need tinier things for it to be more possible.

Cristina: So you need younger.

Jack: Well, younger is just the shortcut because you could just find tinier. Yeah, but you're assured tinier with younger. And a lot of the time I don't even think it's about the younger per se. A lot of guys just find themselves a really tiny lady.

Cristina: It helps if younger because, like, they're not experienced. They wouldn't know.

Jack: Yes. Because you're also like sex God. Like, there's a bunch of s*** going on here. There's many parts. Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If they're inexperienced and anything you do is like, wow, you're so good at sex.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And like they have no reference point for your d***. So wow, your d*** is so big.

Cristina: And if they're disappointed, they can't be.

Jack: It's compared to what? Yeah, you see, it's this whole I'm the s***.

Cristina: Yes, but really, you're cheating.

Jack: You're cheating. Go find yourself an experienced cougar and tell me you have the same level of confidence.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: An experienced cougar. That's your height.

Cristina: That's an amazing challenge.

Jack: Yeah, right. Like now you suddenly come across a problem where, like, you're no longer just by default, a huge d***. You no longer by default, just highly experienced. Like, that's my. That's my real theory. That's like coug struggle more. That's the fantasy of men wanting younger women. It's because you're God by comparison. You will blow her mind if you're her first o*****. If you're taking her virginity, she. You've ruined your life now. She's always gonna want you.

Cristina: Oh, that's messed up.

Jack: Because you're the best she's ever had. Also, like, you're cheating. You're the only she's ever had.

Cristina: Or you're the first, which also brings some type of specialness to it.

Jack: Yes, it's interesting. Yeah, it's all. It's all. It's a bunch of cheating bullshit. It's PC gamer, Call of Duty. It's like you're not actually good. Not really. And like sometimes you come across actually good people and you think they're literally cheating because you actually are cheating and still getting smacked down. That's the white guy who got the tiny little teenage girl and then thought I'm the s***. But comes across a black guy who got super experienced, super old, like hot chick and equals maybe taller than him or some s***. And it's like, I mean, think about it, just think about it. Black guy's got no problem just dating an overweight white girl that's taller than there. Why? Why is it just normal? It's like cuz we got the confidence that I'm still gonna f****** d*** this b**** down and she's gonna come back tomorrow thinking like that was the greatest s*** ever. Doesn't matter how many m************ she f*****, she's coming back here. Go ahead, try it, white boy.

Cristina: Oh, I think you figured out this.

Jack: Is my theory and I think it makes f****** sense.

Cristina: I think you make it. You made it make sense. Yeah. Whoa, Then what's Gandhi doing?

Jack: He's little d*** guy.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: Gandhi was like a tiny, skinny Indian dude, right? Yeah, he was playing right into that stereotype. Yeah, but this isn't even racial. This is just a universal fact of being male at this point. Yeah, just guys want to feel better than they are and so we gotta f*** the tiny little girls, bro. It's the only way.

Cristina: But you think Dr. Martin Luther King was like that?

Jack: No, I think Gandhi was like that. Martin Luther King was a black guy. He probably had man ham. He had some severe man ham man him. He had the best man. Him. There's one more bit of proof and then we could get the h*** out of here. One is when it comes to prostitutes, not you talking about Dr. Martin Luther King. He's out here buying prostitutes, right? Yeah, but he's buying prostitutes for this event. Usually. Who is a pimp? It's a black guy. Black guy doesn't need to be impressed. He doesn't need the woman to come and be like, oh daddy, you're so big and daddy, you're so handsome. And this shouldn't that. She's like, b****** make me money. Okay, who's he selling it to? The guy who's like, oh, let me talk dirty to you. And oh, tell me I got the biggest d*** and all this. And who? That's the f****** white guy, bro. That's the white guy who rolled up and so f****** like, oh, that's that One right there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She can do whatever I want. She can tell me whatever I want to hear. Sad little white guys. Sad little white guys. This is. I'm roving and just playing a violin. What you're seeing right now.

Cristina: Oh, I thought you were playing with his tiny p****.

Jack: No, I'm putting the tiniest little violin for his tiny little p****. Playing the tiniest violin for his sad little pee pee. Yeah, I think. I think I found it.

Cristina: Yep. And I think I learned something about history and men.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, lessons in life. That's what this show's about. This show's about learning about getting educated, about walking away with a better understanding of everything. And a lot of the times everything includes the shadow realm and weird s*** like that, because everything is everything. That didn't happen now. I just felt like telling you guys and reminding yourself that everything comes back to the shadow realm and adrenochrome. And I'm sure that that's probably what the. The weird unnatural was. Maybe this guy was out here raising demons or some bro. He's like, she. He's asking her to do a natural sex accent. It's sex accident. Raising. It's. It had to be blood. It was blood. Sex acts. And she was scared and that was part of the thing.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Her being scared was important though.

Cristina: Him.

Jack: Power. That's how he became who he was.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: No chrome he got from these unnatural sex acts that created mad blood and her fear. It was all the adrenaline.

Cristina: Yeah, the adrenaline.

Jack: And then he does the sex thing and then there's blood everywhere. Dr. Martin Luther King was the Satanist. We all know this anyways, of course. Point being, look, you guys want to learn more things about how the world works, about the facts of the universe, well then follow us on Twitter, on Instagram, on Facebook, social media stuff and you'll be notified. Presumably, you know, and all that's at just Combo pod.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe. We're gonna review the show.

Jack: Yes, mainly the reviews. You know, you gotta let. I guess the algorithms know what you think about the episodes and the show and stuff. And you just put, you know, give us some stars and be like, yo, I like it because this stuff, or I don't like it because of that stuff. You know, that's how the world works. You let people know. You let the.

Cristina: The algorithms know with emojis as well.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. Tell your friends that we have revealed how all Your heroes are crooks and most of them are totally h***.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. They. They were helping. Not trying to hurt him, not trying.

Jack: To sabotage him or benefit for anybody outside the wall to with us. They own everything here. It's all equal to them.

Cristina: So they just wanted to help him?

Jack: Well, no. He just asked for help. They're not loyal to. They own all of the above.

Cristina: Do you have any idea if they were helping him? They were.

Jack: They were, but it wasn't there. Yeah, they didn't care in either direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They would help whoever came to ask for help because they don't care.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It just so happened to be that he was the one who asked.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Through Lyndon Johnson. Which is funny because when you think about the fact that Penguins Day and Martin Luther King's Day are so closely related, are so closely like they're happening so close together, but they're also so closely related because Martin Luther King needed to talk to Lyndon Johnson. Lyndon Johnson then needed to cross the border through the penguins. Probably get a message to have a penguin escort him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To deeper in to then where he could get some sort of fairy probably carried by the penguins. Or get to an airfield where these penguins would then get to the planes. It's gonna fly them to the leaders that would then allow him to bring up his case, ask for the help that Martin Luther King asked for, and then come back with a response back through the Arctic, interacting with the penguins again and then making them back in. It's fascinating.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 29, 2022

Rambling 198: Dangerous Imaginary Friend

October 29, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did Jackie imagine Hank? Who is Hank? Is this something Jackie and her family should be concerned about? The duo opens the case of Hank, the Imaginary Friend, and the investigations gets only stranger as the data I reviewed. With a theory that feels right!

Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Jackie, the 9 Year Old
Hank the British Imaginary Friend
Is Hank Real?
Hanks Increasingly Odd Behavior
Making Threats
Abandoned Car
Missing Person’s Report
Questionable Heart Attack
Mental Asylum
The Forest
Speculations

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurdity, baffling ideas.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah, that pause was monumental. So let's recap. Halloween's coming up, so we've been doing some weird. We've been.

Cristina: Yeah, some weird stories.

Jack: We've been digging. We've been digging deep. Deep in the. In the. In the digs.

Cristina: In the digs.

Jack: We. We've been digging deep in the digs.

Cristina: What's that supposed to mean?

Jack: We've been digging.

Cristina: We've been digging.

Jack: We've been digging holes. Yes, like the movie holes.

Cristina: Like the movie holes, except this one has the demons in it.

Jack: It built a character.

Cristina: What, this hole that we found has demons in it?

Jack: Well, we did. Yeah, we did find the hole with demons, but. Okay, so, yeah, there is a hole in some country, Russia or some s***. Like the border of Russia. I don't remember the story of Russian. Something and evil is in the hole. Allegedly. We don't really know.

Cristina: It's the Pepsi Cola.

Jack: Yeah, the Pepsi Cola wormhole. Yes, the Pepsi Cola wormhole is a scary place, but so is the Bio Ventura.

Cristina: The real life resident Evil lab.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, the Umbrella Corp.

Cristina: Umbrella Corp.

Jack: So, yeah, we. Look, the first story was just looking for some weird thing that happened in real life. The second story that we found was trying to type in exactly the same circumstances that would, in theory, describe the first story. But we just found the flip of it. Right. Originally we were like, what's a real scare? Not scary, but like, what's a real.

Cristina: Weird event that scientists can't explain? Or I guess they might have explained, but we'll never know their explanation.

Jack: Exactly. There wasn't a way to really tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I'm like, okay, what's a real event that has some. Some spooky connotations to it? And then we found the. The. The lab thing, right. It's trying to replicate the whole thing. The whole thing was just. Hey, what's weird? What was it? It was. We. What's some. A scientific thing that has no explanation?

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: And I was like, okay, but that was by accident. I just. What's something scary we could look up and I found some science related. What was it? No, what's the scary science thing?

Cristina: Something scary that science can explain.

Jack: Yes. Well, I was just looking for something scary and I found Something sciency. I was just looking for something grounded, something that, you know, what's tangible. What do we have evidence for? And so we found the science experiment that was weird. And so then we looked into it or typed in the right. The same combination to try to find something else after we found that story. And instead, what we found was something unexplainable. They happened to be with scientists. Yes, but this one had, like, an alien or ghost vibe to it.

Cristina: Mm. And they weren't doing any research on the thing. I mean, their research was kind of like a normal human research of, like. What's that sound? Let me check it out.

Jack: Yeah, well, there wasn't research. It was more like investigating.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we do this, get conclusions, blah, blah, blah. So I'm like, all right, we got to do this again because, you know, now we're by accident, consistent. And it's October. Let's do it. So October. And I got one more. One more chance before Halloween to be spooky.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I started digging.

Cristina: Spooky.

Jack: Well, I start digging, and I can't find anything related. It's sort of the same situation again because I type, okay, like, this time, we have a bunch of police reports and stuff. And I'm like, oh, that's. You know, that's kind of cool. That's pretty dope, because they weren't police reports for the first thing. There was just a bunch of people abandon the s***. And then the second one actually had police reports. That's kind of cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I'm like, is there something else that, like, there's actual police reports for that's creepy and unexplainable? And I go digging and digging and digging, and I actually do find something quite interesting. The question is, is it spooky? So this is potentially hit and miss, but we're gonna find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay, so let's dive into the story of Jackie. Jackie is a little girl.

Cristina: How little? Or I guess how young?

Jack: Very.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's from Oklahoma. She's like eight or nine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's from Oklahoma. And Jackie has an imaginary friend.

Cristina: That's, like, the first thing I was thinking.

Jack: I said little girl, and you just thought, imaginary friend.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, continue.

Jack: It's just. Okay, based on me saying imaginary friend, what do you think is gonna happen?

Cristina: I don't know. Because, like, she talks to the friend, and the friend tells her to. I don't know. It's always like, some kind of, like, evil ghost thing. But we'll see.

Jack: We'll see. Okay, so Jackie's Grandmother Stephanie stated that she often spent time playing with her imaginary friend and her dolls.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Basic little girl s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Imaginary friends, dolls checks out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So when asked to describe her imaginary friend, she claimed it was an older man named Hank.

Cristina: Always. Why is it always some creepy dude? What is with these creepy dudes hanging out with little kids? Imaginary creepy dudes. It's always a dude ghost. I never hear about a woman ghost hanging out with kids.

Jack: I don't know either. But also, pedos are, like, a thing and quite. This is what. This is the kind of s*** that makes you be like, well, it's probably real. Like, it checks out according to, like, the percentage of creeps that are out there. Yeah. So anyways, Jackie would tell her parents about, like, stories of the. The. Of Hank. Hank would tell Jackie stories, and Jackie would excitedly tell her parents stories. So she would tell. He would tell her about, like, how he used to work at a lighthouse.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: He used to work on a lighthouse off the coast of England. Jackie's from Oklahoma, so it's interesting that there's this random guy, and so she, you know, he tells her about his life and. Because his imaginary friend. Right. So he tells about his life, his hobbies, just things. Stuff.

Cristina: Nothing weird that he's telling her, or at least not yet.

Jack: No. Yeah, I suppose so. As a little girl playing with her dolls, I find it strange that it's not just weird that he's a grown man. That's weird. But it's weirder that he's a grown man playing with dolls that's already kind.

Cristina: Of like, okay, he's playing with her. Like, she. It's her playing with dolls with him. You're saying, like, they're playing together?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: With the dolls?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. I didn't know that. Okay.

Jack: That's weird. It's not that she's playing with him and playing with her dolls. She's playing with him and her dolls.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Simultaneously, he's a grown imaginary friend who likes to play with dolls, and he's a dude. An older dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Kind of weird. Checks out the whole, you know, I'm grooming your child to do things to it, kind of. But it's imaginary, so what the h*** can anybody do? There's not a problem there. Just a crazy little girl or a normal little girl with imaginary friends.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So one day, Hank approaches Jackie screaming and crying and saying he'd seen something horrible happen. What? Imaginary stuff, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. Okay.

Jack: So he says he saw somebody fall and get hurt outside Simple.

Cristina: Well, she checks it out.

Jack: Well, she doesn't check it out. She tells her mother and her father and although they didn't believe her, so she, she, they, you know, in order to humor her, they check it out. They go check it out and what they find is an actual kid had broken his leg outside somewhere. Yeah, it was like a block away.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: She probably heard it or something. You know, typical. She was probably because she was playing outside moments before. She wasn't down the block, but maybe she saw something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And she tells her parents or whatever. M and I think actually she was in her backyard and this happened a block away, but she probably heard it happen. And you know, as an intelligent child, quick fact. Children with high IQs tend to be the ones who have imaginary friends.

Cristina: Really.

Jack: It is their mind processing information highly, like very fast and it has to compose and composite things. And a lot of the time it superimposes imagery that allows them to process. And if the child is thinking at an extremely adult level, they might manifest an adult that can think for them in that instant psychology fact. Anyways, this child must have heard the kid fall and start crying.

Cristina: Okay, so nothing weird yet.

Jack: Nothing weird to come in from the backyard and tell her parents. And then her parents then went to investigate and found the kid. They're aware that her child is highly intelligent. They've been told things to expect of her child and also to not worry about the imaginary friend because of this very circumstance. Highly normal. It is an extremely intelligent child. Okay, so this is kind of expected. And a child with high intellect is also a child with high intuition. You can have very small pieces of information and piece together quite vivid images that are accurate.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Her predictability. Not her predictability, but her ability to predict. Astounding. Because of high intellect, imaginary friend because of high intellect and intuition. Because of high intellect, the kid is essentially psychic. Because of high intellect, she could hear something and piece it together, basically what happened here. So obviously her parents thought nothing of it.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, I guess there's nothing suspicious there.

Jack: No, nothing at all. Why do you keep saying yet this what you keep saying yet?

Cristina: Cuz something's gonna happen.

Jack: Do you believe something's gonna happen?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Anyways, so. So the child's parents were contacted, the situation was dealt with, blah, blah, blah. And again her parents just brushed it off as something expected something normal. And sometime later, Hank began acting strange again, but in a weirder way. You know, he started think of like nurses from Silent Hill. How they kind of like twitchy and, like, real uncomfortable looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, yeah, doing that and like, screeching and like, at random, he would do this. Almost like he was glitching. But this. This is her describing this to her parents. She wouldn't use the word glitching, but, you know, she would try to explain the motions and how he would just start screaming crap. And then he'd just go back to normal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And like, it never happened.

Cristina: Like, she tried to get an answer from him and he couldn't explain it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Like, he would. Like it never happened to him. Like. Oh, I don't. I don't know what you're talking about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Again, imaginary friend. So whatever weird things are gonna happen. But as a result of this, she began to have a lot of night terrors, consistently night after night after night after night after telling her parents about this. So it became really consistent that she would have these. And she had to go into a child therapist. She started seeing a child therapist consistently because of this. It was becoming intrusive. She would not sleep any night. All the nights were interrupted. All the nights, all the nights. All the nights, all the time.

Cristina: Because she was dreaming about or having nightmares about Frank.

Jack: Yeah, just these weird motions. Screaming. Some of the dreams that she described just kind of looked like a horror scene is basically all black and just him there, nothing else. And him, like, twitching in that manner and screaming in that manner with nothing else but him being the focal point.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of horrible because it's unclear whether she. She placed herself in the world of the dreams that she was having. Like, she was physically there or she was just watching nothing but him. Like, is she seeing herself third person, or is she seeing first person so all she sees is him? That was unclear, but it was described as essentially a dark void with nothing but his presence. How she saw him. That made her scared.

Cristina: Yeah. Were they trying to now, like, get her to stop having an imaginary friend? Is that even possible?

Jack: Yes. They tried medication in small doses because she was a child and that wasn't really working. But they immediately stopped that because of. It was kind of numbing her out, but she would still have all the problems. So you'd like drugging your child and not even solving the problem, which is a huge issue I have with giving children medication. Anyways. Your kid has adhd. Maybe that's just your child has a lot of energy and maybe. Don't drug your child.

Cristina: Don't punish your child for energy.

Jack: Don't punish your child for Being a child.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, my child can't focus. Well, they're f****** kid, you know. But yeah. So consistently her parents would chalk it off to emotional stress. The therapist explained that this stuff is expected. You know, her mind has to process even the darker things of life, and as she gets older, she's going to understand those things more. But maybe not consciously, maybe this is all happening subconsciously and manifesting as these twisted images that she's getting from Hank.

Cristina: Okay, so everything's normal so far.

Jack: It's normal. It's very on brand for a intelligent child. Minus the now. This is. According to the doctors, it's totally fine. But what's weird for Jackie particularly is that she's consistently trying to explain. He's always more aggressive than he was before. So the twitching is more vicious, the screaming is more vicious, and he's more confrontational. Consistent. Like he's more aggressive in his words, have a stronger tone and he sounds like he's talking down to her more frequently. That kind of stuff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But. But again, totally normal, according to the doctors, really.

Cristina: What.

Jack: What would be abnormal about an imaginary friend being weird? Unless you're thinking something horrible, which you are.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It wouldn't be strange.

Cristina: It's gotta still be weird for the parents. Even if they're being told it's normal, it's still weird.

Jack: Why would it be weird? As opposed to, oh, our kid.

Cristina: But their kids having nightmares and it's. She's telling you her imaginary friends going wild again.

Jack: Just because you're expecting something odd to happen is that you're in the state of mind. Think about how often a little kid leaves his bed and goes and jumps in bed with their parents. And you're like, oh, how cute. But that kid had a nightmare. Some kids do that every night. That's not weird. You're just expecting something weird to happen. So you see it weird. But it's extremely. It's the most common thing.

Cristina: Nightmares, though, if she's saying that she's.

Jack: Experiencing this, well, it's an imaginary friend, which is also incredibly common. It's like a kid saying there's a monster under the bed every night. Again, you're expecting something weird, so you're seeing it as something weird. But what part of this have you never heard before? All of it is extremely common. Kids see crazy s***, though. There's monster, daddy, there's a monster under my bed. And that. That every night has to come and be like, there's not a monster under the bed. No, I saw it. Okay, I'll look under. Or it's in the closet. I'll in the closet. This is normal. This is all normal. You're expecting spooky, so you're thinking about it as weird. Why? Well, it's so weird that she. It's totally normal. There's actually nothing strange about this, about imaginary friends.

Cristina: That glitch out. That's totally normal.

Jack: You gotta understand that none of what's being described is weird in the context that a child's mind is making it up. So I'm using the word glitching out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I could say spasming. Regardless of which word I use, the descriptions of the child are childlike and what. The events that are happening are extremely normal, as explained by therapists who experience it all the time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Professionals who experience this all the time are saying, this is normal. This is absolutely normal.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which means it's so common.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That they're not like, your child's f***** up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Do you see?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're expecting something weird, so you're seeing it weird because you're looking for it. But the people who are trained to spot how normal it is are like, well, this on paper is some s*** I've seen a thousand times.

Cristina: Okay. I have not seen this a thousand times, but okay.

Jack: Yeah. But you're expecting to see something weird, so you're already looking for it. You're like, which part of this is the one that I'm supposed to pay attention to? Don't worry about it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The doctor said it's fine. You just follow the expert.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not the little girl. You focus in too hard on little girl's opinions. Little girl. Why are you putting trust in her? Even her parents are like, f*** this child. She's just a f****** kid.

Cristina: That's awful. I don't know.

Jack: But, like, in most cases, what you gonna do? Humor your child's crazy s***? And then they turn out to be a real nutcase because you made them think this is absolute. Absolutely. Okay. Instead of going out of it. That is where you see you'd messed up your child in this instant. Because you're like, well, this is so weird. My child. Oh, my God. But no, it's not. It's totally normal. It's absolutely normal. It's absolutely normal. Until 8-16-20. I mean, 2001.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: In August 16, 2001, it stopped being normal.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Well, Jackie calls Stephanie, which is her grandma, claiming Hank said he would hurt her parents.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now it stopped being normal. Now, if she were to tell the doctor that the doctor would Be like, now we've got a problem. Up until that point, it was totally normal. You were looking for it. Now you got some s*** that is like, is this kid gonna f****** hurt her parents?

Cristina: Is she?

Jack: Well, I don't know. What do you think? So, okay, Stephanie asked to speak to Jackie's parents, and they were fine, obviously, because this f****** kid's crazy, okay? And also, it's a f****** nine year old. Like, what the h*** are you gonna do to hurt your parents if they're paying attention, you gotta catch them while they're sleeping or something if you're crazy like that.

Cristina: Is that what she does? No. Continue the story. Yes. Okay. Okay. So they talked. She talks to the parents. Parents are fine.

Jack: Yes, they're. The parents are perfectly fine. And, you know, nothing. Nothing out of the ordinary. It's just like your kids spazzing out of the nightmares of guy weariness or whatever. She just needs to escape the situation. So Stephanie has to have Jackie for the night, you know, to ease the parents worry. To ease Jackie's worries. And interestingly enough, Jackie said that anytime she was with her grandma, Hank wasn't there. Hank tends to be at home. At her. At Jackie's home, not at her grandma's house.

Cristina: Okay. Because if this was a ghost story, he's just haunting the house she's living in.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. If this is a ghost story, it's haunting the house is living in. And so Jackie goes and stays with her granny at her granny's house, you know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So the next morning, it gets weirder.

Cristina: I don't know what happens.

Jack: The next morning, the police knock on Stephanie's door.

Cristina: Okay, about the parents.

Jack: Right, about the parents. So, okay, this is what happens. The parents car is found parked on the highway, but the parents aren't there. And they did a search to find who the car belongs to, but the parents were also not home. But the car was there. Didn't look like anything weird happened. It kind of looked like they pulled.

Cristina: Up, they just abandoned their car, parked.

Jack: And just abandoned the car. Now the car's abandoned, but they find out that, you know, it belongs to the parents or whatever.

Cristina: How long was it abandoned for? Like, when did someone realize that it was, like, suspicious, or the next morning. Next morning. Oh, okay. And it took them that quickly to, like, look it up of, okay, the parents live there. And then the grandpa, like, did they contact a bunch of people?

Jack: Probably not the next morning. That was just a couple of hours. The girl just stayed overnight.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means the car was just parked on the Highway.

Cristina: And then they went to the grandma to look for the parents.

Jack: Well, not really. They probably went to the parent looking for the parents at the parents house. They probably ran the plates and they're like, somebody just parked out here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Chances are that car had a ticket.

Cristina: On it and stolen or something.

Jack: That was probably the initial realization. But the car was just parked there. There was no broken windows or anything. And so they didn't find the parents at the place. But you know, looking for contacts and whatever, they end up finding the grandma. And they're like, okay, yeah, weird, but whatever. And the car is just there. So at this point, the grandma. Stephanie and Jackie have not heard from the parents since the previous night. So they don't actually know why they would park and abandon the car. They just know that they parked and abandoned the car. But they did in fact confirm, yes, that is the car.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Very important. Which was the goal of the police being like, does this belong to whoever?

Cristina: Yeah. And they found out. Yes.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the car gets. Because it's on the highway, and the car. They're told that the car's been towed. The car. This is important for you to like, get in contact with these people and tell them. And they. They're like, yeah, whatever.

Cristina: They like, yeah, whatever. Yeah.

Jack: Like, they're gonna go and she's gonna contact them. Eventually she gets in contact with them. She's gonna be like, hey, your car.

Cristina: How long does it take for people to feel like, okay, maybe they're missing or something?

Jack: Or that's like a day, like a week.

Cristina: But she's not worried.

Jack: I mean, the car was just found parked on the highway, so she's very worried. It doesn't. Nothing told us she's worried. But I Like, we can reasonably assume you find a parked car on the highway unless she's dead on the inside. She's probably like, well, that's strange. I should probably be worried. It'd be crazy if the cops knock on the door in the morning and they're like, hey, this car was probably here overnight, but. And also, we didn't find the people in the car. Does this car belong to somebody who you know? Yeah, it's a car of my daughter. Okay. Yeah, it was abandoned.

Cristina: Nothing suspicious about the car.

Jack: It was abandoned in the highway. And besides that, Stephanie is like, oh, that's cool. And then the cops leave, and then she never again gives it a second thought. She's just like, what is. Stupid parents my granddaughter has that they would just park on the highway and walk away don't they know that's what parkings are made for? Not the emergency lane. You know, she's over here cooking, like, stupid child of mine. I taught them how to park. Why are they stopping on the highway? No, of course she's like, what the.

Cristina: F*** do you know which one is her child?

Jack: Her child is the girl.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The. The mother.

Cristina: Mother. So she tries to contact her.

Jack: The mother of the daughter. Cc. Yeah, she tries to contact her. That does not work out. This is 2001. Presumably one of them had a cell phone. Probably not. It was probably house phone. And see, here's the problem. This is also why it's, like, less concerning, because there's no. There's not like, any. You can't immediately get in contact with anybody.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's going to be a while for her to be like, this is really dangerous. Or not dangerous, suspicious.

Jack: Like something horrible. No, it's already. Again, there's a car parked on the emergency lane in the highway, and there's nobody in the car. And we cannot seem to find the people whose car it is at home. Have you seen them? Nah, nah, it's already suspicious.

Cristina: Do they know, like, maybe the car. There was something wrong with the car, like it couldn't drive.

Jack: They don't. Which is actually an assumption that was made. Perhaps the cut. That's why they went to the house to find out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Perhaps there was something wrong with the car that prevented the car from moving. They didn't have the car keys, so there was no way to just turn on the car and drive it away. The car was towed.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Yes. But I'm assuming after the car was towed is when it's like, okay, we gotta contact the people whose car it is to then get them to come and get the car. But, oh, we can't find them.

Cristina: We can't find them.

Jack: So we need to do everything in our power to find them. Because we need our money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We gonna get gangster on these mofos. They better give us our guap.

Cristina: That's all they care about.

Jack: Care about. So they show up to the house, and the pope was like, there's nobody here. They probably knock the door down, get, boom, search the house for the money or whatever. Or whatever cops do, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they dip. Find the money, and they're like, they're hiding. They don't want to pay. We're gonna find them by any means necessary.

Cristina: So they go to the grandma for the money.

Jack: So they go to the grandma, they beat that door down. Too. And they strong armed grandma. It's like, we know you're hiding them. We know. She's like, I've not seen them. You're lying. They tortured her for weeks trying to find out. You will tell us. They waterboarded her every night.

Cristina: But, like, when they dropped her off, the grandma didn't think anything weird was going on. Like, the parents seemed perfectly fine.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, the parents didn't seem. I mean, none of these reports tell me that, but like, the fact that nothing was mentioned. Mm, probably it was just like a normal day.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like their behavior wasn't strange enough that she would say, oh, they were being weird beforehand.

Cristina: Yeah, there's something going on. But okay, yeah, like, clearly I thought.

Jack: Something would happen because they were being so strange. No, that never happened. They were perfectly fine. Fine. But it got weird because although they didn't get in contact with them the first couple of hours, questions start to rise after the first day and they're still not around. And then the second day and they're still not around.

Cristina: Has the grandma told anyone about what the daughter had said?

Jack: No, she. The grandma actually completely forgot that the daughter even said this. It's totally escaped her that the reason this little girl was staying at her house in the first place is because she. Because you gotta understand, this girl has been complaining about this for a long time. So anything and everything that she says relative to Hank, it just goes tuned out to some degree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because, you know, they've dealt with it for a while.

Cristina: Yeah. And how's the girl behaving during this time while her parents are missing?

Jack: She doesn't know that her parents are missing.

Cristina: Oh, she doesn't.

Jack: She's not told a single thing. Why would you just freak this girl out? Especially if you're just gonna fight. What if you just find her parents and they're perfectly fine? They were just out there f****** somewhere. They went to a hotel. The f***? And you're gonna be like, oh, my God, your parents are missing? No, just, you know, she's protecting a little girl. The girl doesn't know anything, but. So it was totally forgotten. But eventually, after the second day, without hearing from the parents, the police determine, you know, this is. This is. Okay, now this is problematic. This is a missing person's case at this point.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. So they're like, okay, we definitely need to organize a search party. We know where the car was. Let's start sending people out. It's, you know, if they have been kidnapped or if they're hurt, we Gotta get to them before like it's a wrap. So they send the search party and you know, as things go, they were searching the forest around the highway that the car was found.

Cristina: There's a forest around the highway.

Jack: Well, most highways cut through a forest.

Cristina: Oh that's. That sucks. But like the search sucks because it's gonna be hard to find them if they are in there.

Jack: I mean anytime somebody is missing around the highway, there's. You gotta search the forest next to the highway. That's never not been the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And like I think the point of a highway is that it cuts through the forest so that you can get to the next location. So I think every highway, unless you live in California through a forest. It's through a forest. Yeah. There might be nothing more normal.

Cristina: Yes. It just sucks as just like to search through though.

Jack: But no, because if this is the case and every highway is surrounded by a forest, you've already trained in searching every forest or not every forest, but you trained in searching through a forest. It's probably easier than searching through a city where there's alleys and buildings with multiple floors that somebody could be missing in.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You just got complicated one dimension to look. It's a plane. You just walk through the plane. And that's why it's way easier. You know, it's the whole shallow grave scenario. It's like what's in the woods. It's kind of easy to stumble upon.

Cristina: You probably have search dogs too. That makes it even more easier.

Jack: Way easier. This like there's nothing easier than searching the woods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Hard would be somebody went missing in the city. Well there's, I guess there's 5 million people in the city. How the f*** are you gonna find it?

Cristina: Could.

Jack: They could be walking by us and we might mess up.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know, the woods, ideal location for somebody to go missing. If you're gonna find them. The woods is where you want them to be.

Cristina: Alright.

Jack: And so after the two days they go and they organize a search party and start searching the woods. Now two days of search go by without finding anything.

Cristina: And the girl still doesn't know.

Jack: The girl still doesn't know. She's just staying with her grandma. But at this point the girl hasn't even talked to her parents on the phone or anything.

Cristina: So she's probably getting suspicious that something's.

Jack: Wrong or it's like a nine year old girl. Why would she get suspicious of anything?

Cristina: I don't know. Does that she have school or something to go to or she's Too young for that. You think?

Jack: This child is like, oh, my God, I should. She's like. She's remembering school.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is like a vacation. Yeah. This child's like, man, I need to. I need to go to school. It's important. My education comes first. What's happening?

Cristina: I miss my friends, maybe. I don't know.

Jack: This kid doesn't give a bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But two days into the search and they. They find Jonathan, Jackie's father.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, Jonathan. That's good.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And he's actually found dead.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: Yeah, he's. He's. His body is found resting against a tree deep in the forest. It's called a parallel forest, by the way. So deep in parallel forest, he. His body's found. Parallel forest is off. I don't know the name of the highway, but it's off the highway. And this is in Oklahoma. And so his body's just found, like, sitting against a tree.

Cristina: Sitting against the tree?

Jack: Yeah, sitting against the tree. And the coroner's report says that it was just a heart attack.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. Like, he got out of the car, traveled the woods, started to have a heart attack, leaned against a tree to kind of like, brace himself, and died there.

Cristina: What? That's pretty insane.

Jack: Yeah. That's f****** crazy, right?

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: It's like, whoa, dude, you were having a bad day.

Cristina: And then they find the lady?

Jack: They did not immediately. So it was actually.

Cristina: How many search days is this? So far?

Jack: It's been two days of searching without. So it was two days missing?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then two days of searching. It's been four days since they went. Since Jackie stayed with her grandma when they find her father. Okay, so four days between the day she goes to her grandma's and the day they find her father.

Cristina: Okay. Do they know how long he's been dead?

Jack: That is not established. I do not know.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It was probably in. Somewhere in there, and I totally skimmed, so I don't know. The amount of time that comes by nex is three days before her mother is then found.

Cristina: What's her mom doing?

Jack: It's less about what her mom is doing, more about how weird it is what happened. So her mom is found in Modoc National Forest.

Cristina: Is that like super far from the forest that they're in?

Jack: Well, they're in Oklahoma and this forest is in California. What? That's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. What? What? Okay.

Jack: Yes. Also, she's found dead, and she's found sitting against a tree in the woods.

Cristina: From a heart attack.

Jack: The coroner's report claimed it Was a heart attack?

Cristina: No, she got a heart attack after walking from Oklahoma Street.

Jack: There's no way she could have walked that.

Cristina: That's not a four day walk or how long has it been at this point?

Jack: It's seven days. But that's not a seven day walk. You'd never make. You'd die long before then.

Cristina: Okay, but they think that's suspicious though, right?

Jack: She could have taken a ride there and died.

Cristina: I guess. That is so cr.

Jack: Like nobody's like, she walked there and died? No, again, only if you're expecting it to be weird will you conclude that these things are weird. Otherwise she just f****** left and had. Now again, the cops aren't connecting these dots. They're just like cops elsewhere found her. They're not like aware that again, cops in California found there. They're not like, hey man, does this woman over here have family that died elsewhere give a s***. They're just like a dead woman. So yeah, that's. But us observing it is like, whoa.

Cristina: Whoa, what does the grandma think of all this?

Jack: I know the grandma's tripping out, bro. She's like, what the. Because that's her daughter.

Cristina: Her daughter doesn't really believe her daughter ran away and then died.

Jack: Yeah, she didn't think her daughter parked the car, hitchhiked. The California died of a heart attack in the woods. Like, what party were they? Dude, that's some crazy drugs her and her husband were on. D***. I'm sure that probably crossed your mind though, like, what kind of crazy drugs were these crazy kids doing? Bath salts.

Cristina: Oh, maybe.

Jack: Man. Were bath salts even around in 2001? I don't think so. Right?

Cristina: No, it was just happening like Beth's.

Jack: Yeah, bath salts is like 2006. Maybe they had the first batch of bath salts. Yeah, they had like some super dysfunctional no kinks worked out.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, but that's nuts, bro.

Cristina: That is nuts. That's just like a mystery.

Jack: Yes, yes, it is. That is. That is precisely what it is.

Cristina: The cops don't do any more work. That's the end of their jobs.

Jack: I mean, what the are they supposed to. What do they think?

Cristina: The house, the car, why?

Jack: It's a heart attack. What are they supposed to do? The coroner said a heart attack. It's provably a heart attack. They're gonna be like, it was murder and someh. They caused the heart attack.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, no, they're just like, it was a heart attack. There's nothing beyond that point that they could do. The crazy cop that's like Dr. Housing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's like, this is a setup. I can feel it. I know the coroner's report says this, but in my gut, for whatever reason, I'm extra invested in this one random case, and I want to find out what really happened to this woman who was in the woods and died of a heart attack.

Cristina: So then what happens with the grandma? What does she do?

Jack: Panic? Her daughter died?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not like she's thinking clearly anymore. Her daughter died. She's just like, my daughter died of a heart attack. She probably forgot. She's not connecting dots. Her daughter died.

Cristina: Okay. I guess, yeah.

Jack: Your daughter dies, your next thought is, man, this little girl has something to it. Or I gotta investigate the murder of my daughter, who they've told me had.

Cristina: A heart attack like, in some other faraway place, like, I don't know. You don't think she, like, was kidnapped? No.

Jack: You just gotta think, my. What the f***?

Cristina: She had a heart attack in the middle of nowhere.

Jack: Right? Right. So the logic here is she got kidnapped and then had a heart attack and they dropped her in the woods. That's the logic you're expecting your grandma to have? Maybe this little girl's not safe with that grandma. If that's where that lady's mind goes, immediately like, well, the cop said the thing, but I know more has happened, but, like, there's no evidence that more has happened. The pros told you, yeah, it was a heart attack.

Cristina: It was a heart attack, but she ended up so far away.

Jack: That's a f****** nut. But again, her daughter died. She's not over here, like, considering the distance, she's like, oh, my God, what a tragedy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, maybe afterwards, after the waters f****** calm down or whatever.

Cristina: Does she then tell her granddaughter, or is she living a lie now?

Jack: No, she doesn't tell her, Grant. I'm sure eventually she tells your granddaughter.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But immediately, it doesn't make sense. You gotta kind of strategize what to do with life. Your daughter's dead. You're stuck with your granddaughter. Your next move isn't, your mom is dead.

Cristina: Mm. No.

Jack: You got like, okay, let me damage control first.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I gotta, like, collect my emotions and I gotta, like, I guess I've adopted my granddaughter. Do you know the least of your concerns are, let me go tell my granddaughter her mom Is that. Then control her. I still don't know what I'm doing with this girl, but now I gotta worry about her emotions and, like, her mental stability, and she was already on edge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, like you're not gonna say s***. You're gonna think about the well being of the child.

Cristina: Yeah. While you're having a meltdown inside.

Jack: That is what parents do. That is what grandparents, that's what adults are supposed to do. You suck it the f*** up. You keep your head down and you problem solve. Because it's not about you or your emotions. It's about that other person you're trying to raise into a functional adult. There's no way her immediate reaction is, oh, my God, your parents are dead, Bo. Your mom is dead. Your dad's dead. Everybody around you is dying. Oh, my God. You're gonna die too one day. Like, that's awesome.

Cristina: I'm gonna die.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What.

Jack: What's that from? I remember that. That was like scary movie or some, right?

Cristina: Probably, I think. Sounds like a scary movie thing.

Jack: Yeah. Your mom is dead. Your dad's dead. I'm gonna die too one day. Oh, my God, you're gonna die. It's just.

Cristina: Yes. I feel like that is one of those movies.

Jack: Yeah, it is, right?

Cristina: I can't making fun of that movie with the seven Days to Die scenario. You know, the one that if you watch the tape.

Jack: No, but I don't think it was out. I know exactly who the guy is saying it is.

Cristina: A kid who watched the tape.

Jack: I don't remember that part. I know the guy. He's. Who's saying it is the guy who was the brother of Char. Or not the brother, but whoever the h*** was Charlie Sheen's co star when he was the main character in Scary Movie. It was that one. It was that scary movie with Charlie Sheen and some other dude. Yes, I remember that much. Maybe that's the one with the ring.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty sure they own the farmhouse. That also. With the.

Jack: With the hole.

Cristina: Yeah, whatever. Yeah. Somehow leads all. All the stories are connected. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. But the grandma is definitely not doing that to the girl. No, that's definitely not happening. That feels like the wrong move when everybody. When it's. That feels like the worst move when it's true, you know, it feels like a good troll, but it doesn't. It doesn't feel like too tasteful when it's real. It feels like bad timing to just freak out like that. But now she just sucked it up and like a good old lady, she's like, I've adopted this child. Now we need to go to her home and get clothing and crap to stay permanently. I suppose.

Cristina: Yeah. Get all the stuff.

Jack: Get Stuff? Yeah. No, I mean, not all the stuff. Just clothes and like, toothbrushes and junk like that, you know. So she goes to do all that stuff. Collects clothing and crap. But while there, the little girl says, Hank's there too. And Hank, now, she hasn't told this little girl s***. Hank tells a little girl, and the little girl tells her grandma that he said he killed her parents.

Cristina: No.

Jack: The chills that this lady must have f****** felt at that moment must be indescribable. She hasn't said anything yet. And this little girl just said Hank said he hurt my parents. Not just hurt. He killed them.

Cristina: He killed them.

Jack: He killed him. Those are words he told her. These are the words she told. She used the words killed. That is in the report. That is what said.

Cristina: What does the grandma do then? Like, what does she think? Does she believe her now? Or does she think her child's not. Child's granddaughter's insane.

Jack: Well, she's horrified by the way there's. This was on the news. This isn't just a bunch of police reports. This was reported on the news because the. The granny. Eventually. I'll let you know. So this was informed to the police about what happened, that the little girl said this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Stephanie, then. This is where this, like, spins the f*** out. Stephanie explains to the police. Let me take a step back. Stephanie gets institutionalized shortly after this. And the girl gets put into a foster home.

Cristina: What?

Jack: After Stephanie went to the house to collect the things. And the little girl, Jackie tells Stephanie this. She gets institutionalized. Stephanie gets institutionalized. Because Stephanie goes to the police. And Stephanie tells the police what the little girl said, but she proceeds to give some extra details that we did not know until this point. She says that a long, long time ago, when her husband was alive, she cheated on her husband with a guy named Hank.

Cristina: Stop lying. What? Continue. Continue. Yes. That's so crazy. Okay.

Jack: And Hank happened to be a British guy. And she always believed and never told her husband that he. She always believed he was the father of Victoria, her daughter.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: She was convinced and kept this s*** a secret.

Cristina: Gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And then in explaining this, they're like, this whole family is nuts. And they institutionalize her. They thought she was, you know, dangerous f****** situation. Because at this point, she's talking about ghosts.

Cristina: Does, like, she know? Does she say what happened to him? Does she know?

Jack: No, she has no idea.

Cristina: Okay. But she's now believes the daughter because of the ex or whatever being the same ghost. Or at least that's what she thinks is Happening. This is her story. Her side of story is that she believes her ghost ex.

Jack: Well, now she's just, like, trying to explain anything. It's just like, I knew a guy named Hank or whatever, and blah, blah, blah. And it's just, you know, she's freaking out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, again, she. She begged the police to listen so consistently, she was like, please, come on. This is totally happening. This is true. Hank f****** killed them or whatever the h*** the story here is. He told the little girl, little girl told me, but little girl isn't telling. The cops told the grandma, and the grandma's on the cops and sounds kind of nuts.

Cristina: And they're not gonna question the girl about it.

Jack: They are. I mean, you can question the little girl about her imaginary friend.

Cristina: If they think she knows something about the murder.

Jack: They don't.

Cristina: They.

Jack: Why would an imaginary friend tell you information about the murder?

Cristina: Isn't that what the grandma is saying that happened?

Jack: Yes, but the cops are like, well, this holds water. Both the parents died of a heart attack. Let's review that.

Cristina: Oh, yes. It's not a murder.

Jack: There is no murder. You're looking for the weird, so you're seeing it. But there's no weird so far because.

Cristina: If it was a murder, they would still talk to the girlies.

Jack: Now there's a problem. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. But no, there's no murder. This grandma's just crazy.

Jack: This is a crazy grandma. Who said that? Her. Basically, she's spazzing the f*** out because she has crazy guilt.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's what they're saying. The guilt broke her. There was no murder. There's nothing suspicious. The coroner's report said it was a heart attack. So, yeah, this old lady gets put in an asylum and the little girl gets committed because of this crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a nuts story.

Cristina: So, like, the gram. Or for their. They think she just made up these stories. Do they think she made up the stories of the imaginary friend? Like, that's all.

Jack: Maybe her, maybe. I don't know. I don't know why they would ever report that. But. But maybe. I guess it could. I guess the logic would be she made up the stories because she got committed. But, like, I don't know. They. They weren't like. Also, we think, you know, like, we also believe she made up the stories that the little girl was telling us or telling her or whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She made up all of it. Well, I guess that part. They think she made up all of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, after this case, right, the old lady gets committed and Jackie gets Placed in a foster home where she claims to spent her time with Hank. This. The. The. This is where this makes the news. This lady, her friend or something explains that Jackie, through her entire time staying at the foster home, always talked about this guy named Hank who she spent time with, but nobody saw her spend time with. With. Now, she never pretended to be around anybody, but she would always talk about her friend Hank.

Cristina: Okay, wait, the person telling story is a friend of hers?

Jack: Yeah. So there's a bunch of this is pieced together by a bunch of crap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And now we're talking about the news report that Fox had about 9 wondering why is there a report about this? So the news report that Fox had where the friend of her was talking and explaining that she was always talking about this guy Hank. But, like, we spent almost all time together. There's no way she knew a guy named Hank. And she leaves the foster home at 18, so, you know, taking contacts for too long. But on her 21st birthday, Jackie's found.

Cristina: Dead from her heart attack. No. I don't know.

Jack: In a forest.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Leaning against a tree. From a heart attack, according to Connor's report.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That. What. Who pieced the story together if no one believed any of it, or I guess, like, afterwards. Because this friend at least heard stories about Hank.

Jack: About Hank. Yes, she knew about Hank. She didn't know who the h*** Hank was. She just heard about the guy named Hank. And then working backwards, they come across the information necessary to then claim all these things. So there's enough police reports, there's coroner reports, there's the documents that put the grandma in the asylum, and the grandma is still alive to ask questions to. So. Yeah.

Cristina: So did the grandma have more information?

Jack: Knew Grandma knew what she knew, and that was it.

Cristina: Oh, I don't understand. Like, this is supposed to be some weird ghost story, or is this a real person that's stalking a family?

Jack: I don't know. It's crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah, because, like, I don't get it. Like, how are they dying from heart attacks?

Jack: That's the craziest part. The immediate thing I thought about when I was checking this out was like, somebody has a death note. Somebody. Like, how is everybody going off of a heart attack, bro?

Cristina: Yes. Walking into a forest. And. Yeah.

Jack: It's like somebody wrote the instructions ahead of time, and then it's like, just put the name a heart attack. How weird. It could have been anything else. They could have just all walked off a bridge.

Cristina: I don't understand. Like, why would. If this was like A ghost story. Why he would have this much hate to do all that? Like, did her husband murder him? Or something like that would make sense, I guess, as revenge. I don't know. Like, we don't know anything.

Jack: Yeah. The problem with the. When stories like this are real is that somebody's withholding information because they don't want to look bad. So maybe if this was a re. If this is a ghost story, if this is a ghost doing this, somebody had to do something to him, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, besides lying about. There's no way that that's the whole truth.

Jack: Yeah. That some, like, this old lady knows. Like, my husband died because he was killed by the guy because he went out to kill him in the first place or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Or he just killed the guy and then that's it. That's all she knows. Like, oh, my lover just disappeared one day after I got pregnant.

Jack: Well, interesting enough, she did say that she cheated on her husband with the guy, but never told the husband that she thought that was the father of the daughter. But did her husband not know or did he know?

Cristina: What if he did know and then killed the guy? Yeah. And this was his revenge.

Jack: Yeah. 100 it could be. But also, why would he kill his own daughter? Unless that wasn't actually his daughter? She only thought it was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Again, she wasn't sure. She was convinced, but it.

Cristina: She was convinced. And maybe her husband was also convinced.

Jack: Yes. But maybe he just wasn't. And it's like, you killed me for nothing.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. That could totally be it. Who knows? But, like, yeah, if that was his daughter, why do this? Why? Murder. It's just too much murder to be like.

Jack: It's no murder.

Cristina: No. Well, whatever.

Jack: To this moment, there has not been a single murder.

Cristina: Suspicious heart attacks.

Jack: Yes. Ex absorbently suspicious heart attacks.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like, if we don't count him in, then what is happening? How did they. Why and what the.

Jack: Do the woods have to do with anything?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or the forest. Whatever.

Cristina: Forest. Yeah.

Jack: Also, weirder question. Why is the mom all the way in California?

Cristina: Yes. How? Why?

Jack: Well, how? She probably hitchhiked there. But, like, what?

Cristina: Maybe Frank was from there. Who knows? I don't know none of that. Hank. Hank. Is it Frank? Yeah, whatever.

Jack: No, he was from England.

Cristina: Yeah, but he lived somewhere in America afterwards. Like, she met him in England.

Jack: Unclear. She dated a British guy and he worked at a lighthouse off the coast of England.

Cristina: Yes, but was she dating him there? I don't think so.

Jack: I mean, how would she date a guy Working at the lighthouse. Yeah, but I guess he worked at the lighthouse. It doesn't necessarily mean. No, it was off the coast. So he wasn't, like, on. On a f****** island, I guess.

Cristina: I'm guessing he vacationed in America or something. Yeah.

Jack: Like, how'd she meet him? You know, unless she vacationed. But no, this. Okay, so if we're trying to make this make sense, he had to come over here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not the other way around. So she just had, like, a fling. Probably in California.

Cristina: Exactly, because maybe she was on vacation.

Jack: Maybe they were both on vacation, man. In California. Some s*** went down. Then she confessed to her husband. Her husband went over there immediately and off. The guy. Maybe. She was in vacation with her husband, obviously. And then, you know, wild night where he was just at home. She was, you know, I'm gonna go hang out at the bar. You don't want to come out, whatever. And, you know, things happen. Goes home with Hank or not even goes home. Maybe Hank rents a car. Something happens with Hank, and then she feels. Oh, well, the pregnancy I have isn't my husband. Oh, my God. Yeah, but it was totally. Was your husband. And then your husband finds out because you confess or something. Oh, honey, I'm so sorry.

Cristina: I thought she kept it a secret. I mean, she did keep a secret from her daughter, I'm assuming, because she just let it out after everything happened, but I don't know. Yeah, I think she probably confessed.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. To her husband.

Cristina: Yeah, Exclusively.

Jack: And so. So then the order of events were going by. Is lady lives in Oklahoma. She then has a vacation in California.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: By the Murdoch National Forest, actually. When her husband, for whatever reason, isn't with her and she happens to meet a guy named Hank, they have a fling in the forest. Yeah, that's where they f******.

Cristina: Oh, the plot thickens. Yes.

Jack: They f*** in the forest.

Cristina: And he probably was killed in the forest or his body was hidden in the forest after he was killed.

Jack: One of Holy. That's exactly what happened. They didn't f*** in the forest. They probably in the car parked by the forest.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: She explains to her husband what happened. Her husband goes and kills the guy, takes him to the forest. It just so happens to be the nearby forest. So both events take place there.

Cristina: Yes. And she has no clue what he's doing.

Jack: She has no clue that he did this. She just knows she confessed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The end. That's her. The extent of her knowledge. Her husband did the rest, and he has no reason to. He's horrified that he did this. He's not gonna be like, I killed a guy and threw him in the forest.

Cristina: Yeah. That's a secret he dies with.

Jack: Yeah. They go back home. She's pregnant. She does not tell her husband that she believes that's the other guy's baby. But she does believe that the other guy's baby. Which is probably not the case. It's probably just her husband's child. She's just guilty. She feels guilty.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And all these other thoughts are associated with the guilt. Simple. Simple. One plus one equals two. Most cases. But sometimes it could equal one as well. But we're not gonna dive into this. Into the semantics of how math is kind of difficult to understand. So he kills a guy. She doesn't tell him. She thinks it's his baby. Totally not his baby. But this lady grows up, marries a guy named Jonathan, and then they have a daughter named Jackie. And then Jackie has an imaginary, unquote friend.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: For whatever reason, this guy is messing with this girl. I guess this spirit is just waiting. And then one day, the moment arrives and the whole scenario happens. So car by the woods where she probably f***** in the first place. The guy. Because it's just possibility. And then the bodies in the woods where her late husband had buried. Not literally in the first instance, but that's why the mom, the actual biological one.

Cristina: Mm. Is buried over there.

Jack: Not buried.

Cristina: Found over there.

Jack: Yes. Interesting enough, I wouldn't be surprised if the guy's body is beneath that tree. But they would have had no reason to look.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Also, that happened so f****** long ago. There's no sign on the dirt.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no way that they could piece that together.

Jack: Yeah. So it's just a dead lady.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the guy who isn't her father is buried directly beneath her.

Cristina: Possibly.

Jack: What?

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: The idea here is that all of this happened, everybody in this lady's family died because of her f****** cheating on her husband in her first place.

Cristina: The ghost got his revenge by not killing her.

Jack: By not killing her. Letting her stay alive to watch all this. To know her family's dead.

Cristina: Yeah, like he really had it out for her.

Jack: Maybe she could. The problem is, maybe she could have stopped her husband. Maybe just not telling him would have been the right move.

Cristina: Yeah. Or maybe she has suspicious also that he did something to Hank and just never said anything. Like she's living with that guilt.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's way more than just.

Jack: Yeah, she could definitely have an inkling and, like you didn't avenge his death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's Your fault he's dead. Yeah, like you didn't redeem yourself.

Cristina: But what if it has nothing to do with her story or whatever? Like, what if this girl did have an imaginary friend that was a ghost? Maybe in the house? Is that possible? I don't know. Like. But he has the name of the other guy.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. The name is where this immediately becomes a ghost story.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If the name didn't line up, then it wouldn't be a ghost. And who he killed. Why wasn't it. Why didn't he just hurt the little girl?

Cristina: Why did he take all these steps? Like. But it feels like it also, it wasn't in his control either. Because you say he like, changed over time. He was friendly at first, and then he just grew more and more hateful.

Jack: And that's interesting, right? What's that about? That's also where it gets kind of creepy. The rest of it is. It's more of a mystery. Everything is mystery until you get to the silent hill aspect of the little girl. That one patch is like, what happened because he was just playing with her, which would then make you think, no, that is your daughter. That's your granddaughter. That's your granddaughter.

Cristina: Unless he didn't have all his memory and he was gaining it. And that's what's all the glitchiness. Not glitchy, but, you know, the odd.

Jack: Behavior that's somehow somewhere, some such is so horrifying. I don't know why that disturbed me. The fact that he's a ghost with no memories. And then suddenly the memories start coming. It's f****** twitching and.

Cristina: Yeah. And then the hate starts growing. But that's real hate that he had before he died. But he just didn't have it at the moment when he met the girl. I guess. Like it just formed.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Like that makes sense because he was playing with her. He was normal. He was like, whatever.

Jack: Yes. And then slowly, gradually, more corrupted, broken, more twisted.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that's very strange. Could it be because it. What does that even mean? A ghost gaining memories?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: How's that a thing like that means.

Jack: He was a goat. An incomplete ghost to some degree.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. That's like.

Jack: And why focus on the little girl unless you're actually related? Related?

Cristina: You think? Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: If it wasn't, then he would have just focused on the old lady. But he didn't. In fact, the old lady was completely left out of it. That part right there makes me think that's actually the Victoria Is actually his daughter.

Cristina: Okay. Because he was around her. Well, sort of.

Jack: Daughter. He's around the daughter. Somebody in the family. As opposed to being around Stephanie, the grandmother.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That makes me think. Yes. And I guess it would hold. The story would still hold. So Stephanie and her husband go on vacation. For whatever reason, one night, she's not with her husband. She meets a British man named Hank, who happens to also be in a vacation. They're from Oklahoma, but they're vacationing in California by the Modoc woods. She has a flame in the car parked on the side of the highway with Hank. She does get pregnant by Hank. She confesses to her husband what happened.

Cristina: Yes. And he goes. Fine.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Hank. He goes find Hank. Kills him in the woods.

Jack: Well, kills him and.

Cristina: And then buries him in the woods.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Could have killed him in the woods, could have killed him somewhere else. Regardless, he kills him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he puts him in the woods.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Then they leave. But she is, in fact, pregnant. She doesn't tell her husband that she's pregnant with his. The other guy's baby. He thinks this is his child.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's not. Fast forward. Hank's spirit follows the bloodline manifests to the little girl. His granddaughter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because victorious. His actual daughter.

Cristina: It has to be. Maybe. But I wonder if she had an imaginary friend and the grandma just doesn't remember. But then again, she would have known. Like, this would have.

Jack: Like this would have happened already. Yeah, it would have already happened. There would have been. No, no, Jackie, no. Because Victoria is where it would have ended.

Cristina: Why was a heart attack?

Jack: Why would a heart attack. That's another thing that doesn't make sense. Because why wouldn't they just show up dead and then have no trace as a. Why, like, you know, like, only clearly murdered, stabbed to death, or, like, beat to death or whatever. But there's no trace of who did it. That would make sense. That's like. Okay, whatever happened to you, you did to them.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless he somehow died from a heart attack. Can you cause someone to have a heart attack?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe he hit him in the chest a couple of times, punch him in the chest repeatedly, and kill the guy by accident. Maybe. Maybe he went to beat the guy up, not kill him, and he beat the guy into having a heart attack. Maybe by hitting him in the chest, the guy dies. Then he goes ahead and buries the body in the panic. That's why this was never reported.

Cristina: Yeah, well, no matter how he did it.

Jack: But so the good. So Hank dies of A heart attack. And then he makes sure that the bloodline dies of a heart attack.

Cristina: Yes. Why kill the husband, though?

Jack: Yes. Because he's not related.

Cristina: It's not related. Yeah, but.

Jack: But keeping this in mind, maybe he sees Victoria and Jonathan as individuals that are mirroring what Stephanie did. Maybe they're not doing the same event. But he doesn't have a husband to take revenge out on. He has a daughter and his daughter has a husband to take revenge out on. Yeah, there's a husband somewhere.

Cristina: And I wonder how much the daughter reminds him of the mother of Stephanie.

Jack: Interesting. And then he's just. Yeah, it could totally be. It could totally be.

Cristina: It's just a weird build out. Like I don't feel. It doesn't feel like he planned it out from the beginning. Unless he. Maybe he did. I don't know. But then it's just weird. But we don't know the whole story.

Jack: We don't know the whole story because why would she tell us?

Cristina: Yeah, but I mean, like the little girl story too, of how he was friendly and then he just over times becomes a different person? Pretty much.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. The girl in the foster home isn't being tortured by Hank. Hank is just fine. It's just stories of being with Frank and spending time with him.

Cristina: That's also weird because she knows he killed her parents at this point.

Jack: Interesting. I wonder if this girl has some suppression problems going on, huh? Because it is traumatic. It's particularly traumatic. Your parents disappear, you got this crazy f***** tells you he killed them. Your grandma gets put away. You're young.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You just create a blockade.

Cristina: I guess that would be the only way because, like, how are you living with all this nonsense going on? This is nonsense.

Jack: Like, interesting.

Cristina: What? Like she had. Did she believe him? Does she not believe him? You wouldn't know. I mean, her friends weren't worried about it. They were like, ah, she has an imaginary friend. Whatever.

Jack: She's an immature individual. At the end.

Cristina: She wasn't seeing a therapist. Still during that time, I maybe, like.

Jack: She'S already been seeing a therapist, so it wouldn't be like, crazy.

Cristina: Oh, and there's no story from them.

Jack: Why this? It would be illegal.

Cristina: Oh, there.

Jack: There's probably a crap ton of notes that nobody's ever gonna see because that would be illegal.

Cristina: This is. It's just a weird story, man. She did it. No. How did she do it?

Jack: Anyways, that's the story of Jackie and Stephanie.

Cristina: How she killed her parents.

Jack: No, I don't Know how her parents died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting, though.

Cristina: Yeah. A weird case of random heart attacks.

Jack: Random heart attacks and a crazy old lady with crazy stories.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, that's what it sums some.

Jack: Three heart attacks and a crazy old lady with crazy stories. Anyways. Anyways. Anyways. So we're totally way over the time here, but good. Bad, bad. Middle ground.

Cristina: Middle ground.

Jack: I think definitely not as horrifying as whatever the h*** happened last week at the Biovent is like, bro, that's horrifying. But this is just. This is just a weird.

Cristina: It's very weird.

Jack: It's very strange.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's probably just like.

Cristina: It's a bit icky. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And there's. Again, there's no murder anywhere.

Cristina: There's no murder, but it's very suspicious. Everything is like. It's not right.

Jack: It's not suspicious. It's very. Yeah, it's just not right. Right. There's just something like. This is weird.

Cristina: Three heart attacks. No way. In the forest. No way.

Jack: Yeah. And all of them in the same.

Cristina: Exact way in different forests. None of them in the same forest. Nope. That's very weird.

Jack: That is weird. Anyways, Anyways. Anyways, if you guys enjoy spooky stuff, we got two other episodes right before this one that are strange circumstances that.

Cristina: Have happened in life, and we have other episodes. Episodes. Older episodes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: About weird, strange, real events.

Jack: Yes. There's a bunch. And not just real, there's a bunch of just like mythical crap that's weird, too. And like a bunch of horrifying creatures everywhere. There's a plethora. We. We kind of circle horror often, although we don't word it in horror kind of ways. There's a lot of creepy we talk about when you think about it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you can find all that on the podcast platforms. Any of them. And if there's one we're not on, like, I don't know, send us a message. And you could actually send us that message on Facebook, Twitter, or Instagram @justcomfopod, as well as find a bunch of clips and crap there.

Cristina: Awesome. And remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Word of mouth, incredibly important. So, you know, if you. I guess that's not even word of mouth, but. How do I put it? If you rate the show, though, it's the equivalent of word of mouth, I guess, because we move up, you're telling.

Cristina: People, hey, but if you review it, aren't you doing the same thing?

Jack: Yeah, if you rate it, you bring us up and you're like, hey, worth looking at. And if you review it, you're literally letting people know. Letting people know with words. Although not words of mouth. It's words of keyboards.

Cristina: Yes. Words of keyboard. Yes. Okay. I let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Thus insert the word of mouth.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal. Thanks for listening. Bye. And these penguin guards, what are they? They're just. They're just guards.

Jack: They're guards. There's some sort of chimera of some sort or some man made creature. Maybe there's. Maybe there's birds and penguins over the. I don't f****** know, man. I don't pay attention. Yeah, we're. Our job is inside the.

Cristina: Inside the wall. Yeah. That's why we don't really travel outside the wall.

Jack: Yeah. There's no reason to.

Cristina: Yeah. Everything is in here. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So that's definitely, you know, that's what's happening there. And the reason that it's connected to Martin Luther King is actually that Martin Luther King, he had to communicate with the people from the other side of the wall to get help to establish laws that would help inside the wall.

Cristina: He had to do that.

Jack: He didn't directly. Basically, Martin Luther King would have secret meetings with President. What the h*** was his name? Lynn? Lyndon.

Cristina: Lyndon.

Jack: Lyndon Johnson. Yeah, President Lyndon Johnson. Martin Luther King would have special meetings with President Lyndon Johnson. This is fact secret meeting. Some of them were recorded unknowing. And these meetings took place because, you know, as, you know, world leaders communicate with higher ups and the chain goes all the way to the top of the Illuminati, top of Freemasons, top of government, all these things that usually manage from outside the wall. And so he needed to talk to the president to get messages from the president to the overseers and overlords on the other side of the wall to then get resources sent back so that we can, you know, they would have advice, they would send people to help and black neighborhoods need help or whatever. And so people would show up that like, where are those people from? But, you know, so much help, we're not gonna question it. And it's because people from over the wall are showing up to help.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. This podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 22, 2022

Rambling 197: Bioventus Strange Mystery

October 22, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What happened at the Bioventus Research Facility? What experiments were being run in this facility leading to the incident? Was there some paranormal activity taking place? The duo unpack the most baffling paranormal incident in recent history reviewing police reports and a play by play of events following witness and victim logs. One of the scariest, most confusing episodes of the show to date. The conclusion might be spookier than the event!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Classified Experiment
Science Logs
Strange Illness
Flashing Lights
Ghostly Apparitions
Paranormal Circumstance
Alien Observations
Missing Person
Murder Suicide

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And today. So, you know, it's October and everything.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Last week we had a really weird story. Also, I'm holding. This is the creepy. The creepy stories voice. So last week, by mere chance, I happened to locate. Now, I knew roughly about the. The super deep borehole, but I didn't know it got so weird. You know, everybody's heard about the story of the.

Cristina: Heard about the sound.

Jack: Yeah, it's like. And every. You know, superstitions and blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The usual stuff that happens in life when something odd happens, but like, when you really investigate the superstitious and like. Oh, no, it's just, you know, urban legend that quickly fades and then you just got really weird information left.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's hard to imagine that that's a real story.

Jack: I'm sure a lot of it is bullshit. Like, you got to understand now, all the things that happened are real. But again, I'm sure that a lot of it is just people speculating on things and a lot of superstitious individuals making the reports.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, so you put a bunch of religious people in a place, even if they're scientists, you know, the religious aspect of our humanity seems to always kick in. And these things that always seem to jump in are conspiracy theories and monsters and aliens and, oh, this and that and all this. The f****** hole to h***. Allegedly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, no, it was probably, you know, we. Some creature we've never seen is somehow developed down there. And it's not a monster or a demon or anything. It's just some creature. Anytime we go to the very depths of the ocean, we find weird s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why wouldn't this be the same case?

Cristina: Mm. You know, it's possible.

Jack: So the reason I talked about that story last week was because, you know, Halloween's coming, time to get into the weird s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I had the intention of, you know, finding some other science related thing to talk about to, you know, this is something science can't explain. But in trying to find something science couldn't explain, I just found something that science wasn't even involved in or directly involved in. They just happened to be scientists.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean. Like, it's a discovery.

Jack: No. So the super deep borehole is a science experiment. It's science that we can't explain what was ha. Like science can't explain what was happening in the science experiment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Or they did and they just never showed us.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Exactly. This isn't science experiment or science can't explain it. Nobody has tried to be scientific about it because it's so random. So allow me to begin by introducing to you Ollie Austin, PhD, Stephanie Ramirez, PhD, and Gerald Larson, PhD. Three scientists. That's as sciencey as this is getting. Okay, now I'll give you some background information. All three scientists work at a place called Bio Ventus.

Cristina: Sounds sciency.

Jack: Some sciency place. And they're science y people. It makes sense. My rabbit hole deep dive for science weirdness was checking out so far.

Cristina: Okay, so is this like a lab in Raccoon City or something?

Jack: No, I wish. That would definitely have been more along the lines of what I was looking for, but this is definitely more along the lines of Halloween. I supp. So all three scientists, now they all work in the same building. None of these three scientists know each other. It's a huge facility and they all have their own respective labs. The only commonality between these three individuals is that they are in their respective projects. The scientists tend to stay late. They're the hardest working of their teams or whatever. They don't know each other. They are totally opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. Let us begin. This story takes place through their logs. I guess I'm not. I don't understand why they all have logs. I guess the facility requires anybody to log everything they do, I guess for science journal purposes or whatever.

Cristina: These are real logs.

Jack: These are real logs.

Cristina: People making things up.

Jack: No, no, no. These are logs by these scientists.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Yeah. So they're not like random people made these up. These are in certain reports by the facility. And these are all traceable logs that the scientists have made as part of their ritualized log keeping or whatever.

Cristina: Okay. Does it matter what kind of scientists they are to the story?

Jack: No, because the story has nothing to do with science. This is again, my search was on point until the story started to unravel.

Cristina: Is this the murder mystery? Should I guess?

Jack: Allow me to get through it.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Okay. So on July 10th of 2012, a late night as usual for all three scientists. This is all according to their reports, and they all report at this very night a series of strange sounds. Now they're all coming from the hallway and they are all totally opposite sides of the building, but they all report directly Outside their door, strange sounds. They're unclear about what these sounds are.

Cristina: Okay. None of them actually look out their door. They just report the sounds.

Jack: It's unclear, based on these reports, whether they look outside. Okay, so we just know that they said, oh, strange noises outside, and the rest just continues as normal. Because they're supposed to log every step of everything they take. So every. Any item they use, any tool they use, any chemical they mix, every. Every time they walk across the thing to touch anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because all of this factors in to whatever the h*** they're working on. So they log that there was strange sounds, and then the log continues as normal. Now to clarify it, and then the scientists were working together or even on.

Cristina: The same project, but they're on the same floor.

Jack: Unclear. I know. They're opposite sides of buildings of the building. They could totally be one on a different floor or whatever. They're just not together.

Cristina: Okay, but the sounds is coming outside of their room. Not outside. Like, outside the building?

Jack: Yes, directly outside their door.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All of them report that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Now, what's weird about this is since it's coming from their hall directly outside their door, and they're all opposite sides of the building, none of them report it came from the. You know, it didn't come from outside my window or whatever.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Presumably, the sound is coming from the dead center of the building.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except somehow it's loud enough to hit all of them to the point that they think is directly outside your door. Yeah, but it happens at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: That'S not even that late.

Jack: It's late as h*** for somebody to still be at work. If you work nine to five.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's like, almost four hours into your work. Overtime.

Cristina: It would be more scary if it was in the ams.

Jack: Okay, yeah, whatever. Not the point.

Cristina: What happens next?

Jack: We'll find out. So 8:32, everybody reports that at this very moment, strange, anomalous, undistinguishable something sounds are happening. So the guy on the left says it came from the right, the guy on the right says it came from the left. The guy in the front says it came from the back, and the one in the back said it came from the front. There are only three people, but you get the image I'm trying to build. There's a location that it seems to be coming from, except it's equally loud. So, like, maybe it was outside of all their doors simultaneously. Now, they all put the. Put the sounds in their log and the following notes. The following notes after the sound were really weird and identical for all three scientists, which was they all felt dizziness, they all felt nausea, and they all felt, following the dizziness and the nausea, the eeriest feeling like they were being watched.

Cristina: I don't understand where the story is going.

Jack: I told you it's strange. And stop trying to anticipate it because it's not gonna go anywhere you'd ever expect. Really a hundred percent. The story is going nowhere. You think? Okay, it is too strange.

Cristina: Is it a sci fi story? At least.

Jack: We'Re gonna find out along the way.

Cristina: Okay, Okay.

Jack: I suppose my telling you would answer this.

Cristina: Okay, continue the story.

Jack: But again, they all logged the sound and they all have exactly the same notes following it. Nausea, dizziness. And I felt like somebody was watching me.

Cristina: Weird, okay?

Jack: Very, very weird. Now at this point I don't know what the f*** is happening because again, it be. Now I'm thinking alien abduction type of s***, right? Like it's totally going in that direction.

Cristina: But it's not.

Jack: We'll find out whether it is or not. Okay, but it's definitely how it feels. So far.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It a hundred percent feels like aliens are in your building and there's something that's causing the like nausea and the like dizziness, you know, alien radiation or you know, whatever the f****** people would make up. Like I'm sure if just up to this point, like people. The problem is, I know factually that people have made a thousand conspiracy theories stopping at this point, like ignoring the rest of it. They're like, well, clearly the rest of it is just a result of this. Aliens did that and then they hallucinated.

Cristina: The rest of it.

Jack: Yeah, you know, so that's immediately what I stumbled upon. So I'm like, oh, interesting. Let me dig deeper. But those fell apart quick because they literally just stopped at that point. They chose to stop at that point, but the story didn't stop at that point. They made conspiracy theories choosing a point that the story ends essentially. They're like, well, yeah, it was all aliens from that point, but let's, let's decide whether it's all aliens at that point.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now this event began on July 10. So the scientists have daily logs that continued to get kind of weird and erratic following the events.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 24, all three logs reported an extremely bright flash of light appearing instantly and disappearing from the hallway outside their respective labs, all simultaneously.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Weirdest part about this is they all reported that it happened at 8:32pm okay.

Cristina: What is happening at 8:32pm I don't know.

Jack: But this, it's already like, what the f***?

Cristina: And it's like a blink of a second. Like it's instant.

Jack: It's like, what, just a one shot and then it's gone.

Cristina: And then. Do they feel horrible again?

Jack: Well, following this, they didn't report that they felt any. Like, that never was mentioned again. The dizziness and the nausea.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, it was just like the one instant following the sounds, but this time it's a light and there's no report of like any sickness or anything. Okay, now like, what is happening there?

Cristina: And how many days is this after.

Jack: You said 10, and then this is 14 days later.

Cristina: 14 days later. Okay. Does it even matter the length of time? I don't know. Well, continue. Sorry.

Jack: I totally relate. Like, I, I don't know. I don't know. I. It's. You gotta understand, I'm baffled as h*** about this because I'm a very science minded person, which was the point of looking for weird sciencey things. And all I did was find scientists that are like reporting on s*** that just continues to break down. And I'm like, okay, so all of you essentially are describing alien abduction setup.

Cristina: Yes. Still sounds like it.

Jack: Dizziness, nausea. Next you got lights?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like it's an alien, bro. It has to be, right?

Cristina: I don't know. Where's it?

Jack: And like the conspiracy theories land there. They're all saying aliens. Maybe. In fact, some of the conspiracy theories suggest that on the first time this happened on the 10th, that all three of them were abducted and that anything following this point was either fabricated by the aliens or them under control of the aliens. So they continued the reports just. Nor they continued going through the motions under alien control.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or that these are all hallucinations you're experiencing because of the alien experiments. Yeah, there's a plethora of things, but again, we're approaching this from a scientific. We're trying to be scientific. Even if everybody else who's looked at this immediately went into like tinfoil hat territory.

Cristina: It's hard not to.

Jack: It is so hard not to. Because of how immediately it looks like aliens.

Cristina: Yes. Especially when it's happening at the same exact time every time it happens directly.

Jack: Outside each of their door. Yeah, like that's, here's, here's the problem with this. If they all reported it directly outside their door, but there was a minute, two minutes, three minutes difference between one moment and the other, like one report and the other, then we'd be like, well, something is traveling the building no. Yeah, but it's instantly at the same moment everywhere.

Cristina: So it seems like they're being adopted. Aducted.

Jack: Abducted.

Cristina: Abducted, yes.

Jack: Well, let's find out. So on July 25, this is 15 days after the initial and one day after the bright light.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally different amount of time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All three reports say a female scream echoed through the halls of the facility at the same time at exactly 8:32pm.

Cristina: Okay, we have a sound, but you don't know what the sound is. It's just some weird.

Jack: Some. They couldn't describe it. It was too foreign to them.

Cristina: Was there a color to the light?

Jack: Just a bright white flash.

Cristina: White flash. And now a scream.

Jack: Now a female scream that they claim echoed through the facility. Now, both Ollie and Gerald investigated immediately. They just jumped into action. Somebody's in the building getting hurt.

Cristina: Okay, cool.

Jack: They ran the halls and did not find a female at all. Also, this is the first time these two scientists meet because they're like, they couldn't. They corroborate the fact that they both heard the s***.

Cristina: Oh, crap. So are they all three gonna meet in the story?

Jack: Find out.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: So they meet and they find nothing. They got, you know, I'm assuming they got like a. A buddy cop story or. Not buddy cop, but, you know, like, buddy story. Yeah, we meet in the thing and we go on a flashlight adventure of finding where the scream came from. Who's the guy behind the mask? Scooby, Help us. So, you know that kind of s***. Except they find nothing. They're like, well, I guess somebody played an audio clip or some s*** really loud. But, like, bro, you're way over there. Yeah, dude, you're way over here. So the reports essentially claim that they met each. Because they have to report everything. So the reports claim they met each other and they heard the same sound and they looked for it. And I guess they came to the conclusion that maybe somebody, before leaving the building, played an audio clip or something or was listening to something weird as they walked around the building that allowed both of them to hear it. They don't understand themselves why it happened at exactly the same time at this. Different sides of the building. That's also included as, like, a weird cliff note of like, okay, that happened for real. I guess I'm not going crazy. The other guy said he heard it.

Cristina: Yeah, but do you know if they talked about the past events to each other?

Jack: No, that was not mentioned at all. I do not know if they discussed this. They. They put just the details that mattered about the event. That happened that night.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then meeting the other person. Okay, that night. Now, while these two guys investigated and they found nothing, the following day, the female, Stephanie Ramirez, was reported missing.

Cristina: What? Wait, did she. She did not write about the woman screaming.

Jack: She wrote about the woman screaming. All three wrote about the woman screaming. Talk about the woman screaming.

Cristina: And then the next day, she's just gone.

Jack: She's just gone. She was never found again. Let me clarify. There was no body to this woman. There was no trace of this woman. This woman ceased to f****** exist that day. Never found again.

Cristina: But she wrote about that. And then she wrote about the rest of her work. Like they would go back and finish their job. Or did she disappear the moment she heard the woman scream?

Jack: No, she heard the woman scream. She continued her work. She did not go investigate. Yeah, she continued. She finished her night, and that was it. And that's the last we ever heard of her. That report. Exactly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What the h***? Because you think woman scream. Okay. She yelled because they, too, went to investigate.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Except no. Her report also had a female screen.

Cristina: Yeah. What is happening?

Jack: You see how this is quickly breaking down?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If it was that, this is the moment that I dropped the alien shtick. Because if it's aliens, it was her screaming. It would have been her screaming. Also important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: These are the only three people in the building other than janitors. This is a fact.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This is all. Everything in this building is monitored at all times. This is why the LODs are important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everything is monitored at all times. Janitors all walk where there's cameras. What's weird is, in later interviews, the janitors were questioned about the event. They got no. They didn't hear s***. They didn't see s***. This is not happening to the janitors.

Cristina: They have cameras everywhere, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Did they see her leave?

Jack: No. The cameras are not allowed in the lab rooms. The cameras are in hallways, which is why the janitors aren't allowed in the rooms. They're only allowed in the hallways.

Cristina: But no one saw her leave the room.

Jack: No one saw her leave the room.

Cristina: She finished her work and then disappeared in that room.

Jack: Disappeared in that room. She never stepped outside.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Let me also clarify. Not every inch of everything has a camera on it. Like, there's not a camera aiming at her door.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: You know, there are many cameras to make sure people don't leave with s***. There are many cameras making sure people don't enter private, like, classified areas.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But there isn't a camera in every inch of the building. Because a lot of it is.

Cristina: Well, that's really hard to imagine that someone like, knew where all the cameras were to sneak around and grab her or some crazy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would be caught somewhere. Yeah, one camera caught them. But the weird part is the fact that no janitor ever heard s***. No janitor ever saw s***.

Cristina: But this isn't where the story ends, is it? No.

Jack: Now there's story keeps going.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, it's crazy. Sorry.

Jack: So, yeah, this lady was never found.

Cristina: Wait, this is a day after the scream, right?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: She's reported missing the day after the scream. Presumably she went missing the day of the scream. Yes, that's the. The conclusion to be made here now. Okay. On the following day, the day that the scientist lady is reported missing, the day Stephanie is reported missing, both Ollie and Gerald are still working late. They always work late. That's their thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Both of them report a female scientist roaming the halls crying. And both of them immediately try to chase and find out what the f*** they think. That's the same voice they heard before screaming. The screaming voice. Now there's a chick crying and they see her when they run outside. Unclear. At the distance, turning the corner.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They get to the corner too quick for her to go anywhere and there's nobody there.

Cristina: And they write that down.

Jack: They put that in their logs. They have to log everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now in both of these cases, the corner had a camera. Okay, around the corner. And all you see is the scientist guys is the scientist guys rushing to the corner and nothing more. But both of them put the same thing at opposite sides of the building.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. What is happening?

Jack: H*** is going on?

Cristina: I don't know. It sounds like aliens and ghosts. I don't know.

Jack: All at the same time.

Cristina: All at the same time.

Jack: Yeah, all at the same time. Look, I have no idea what the h***'s going on. Not even. Not even a little. Again, I don't know what to think. Sci. Is it a sci fi f****** problem or is it a paranormal issue?

Cristina: And they still go to work late after this point.

Jack: Well, it's their job. They gotta. Because they're science minded. They think there's explanations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: In fact, Cliff notes with theories in their logs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As to maybe I inhaled chemicals from what I'm working on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And it's causing the hallucination again. They don't. Other than the one scream time, they don't like really go into detail. They're working on things they don't tell each other. All the details. So they don't know that the other person experienced the whole array of things. They just know the one thing. That's it. So they don't realize there's no way that guy inhaled the same thing you did that could you both hallucinating the same thing. That doesn't check out. That doesn't check out. That makes zero sense.

Cristina: No, no. But they don't know.

Jack: They don't know. So they just think you know some. So first I heard the thing and maybe it was real, but maybe it was just something small again, like music or something. But I'm hallucinating. I am experiencing a form of distress that's leading my brain to exaggerate certain things. Maybe the working consistently at nights is causing the. Whatever, blah, blah, blah. They're trying to rationalize it.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they watch those cameras or was that something that happened after.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's way later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So again, they both go and investigate this woman, and there's nobody there. She's just gone around the corner.

Cristina: Okay, before you get to the next part though.

Jack: Got you.

Cristina: The cameras don't hear anything, don't see anything.

Jack: The cameras have no audio?

Cristina: No. Oh, they don't have audio.

Jack: Just video.

Cristina: Video. Okay. They didn't see the flash then the.

Jack: Flash never showed up.

Cristina: They just see these men running.

Jack: They just see these men running around the corner.

Cristina: That's it. Okay.

Jack: And both halls, the cameras around the corner.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Neither of their doors is visible to a camera. But the corner that they took off in, which also now that you bring this up, why did she happen to go in the direction both instances that there's a camera? Weird. I did not think about that before, but now I'm thinking about like she turned basically the identical corner, opposite sides, building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that they would both be visible around the camera. What a weird coincidence. I didn't think about that before, but that's very ghostly.

Cristina: Like she's still. She's doing the same thing at the same time.

Jack: It would be very ghostly if it was in the same spot.

Cristina: Yes, that's true.

Jack: It. So it makes me so much more uncomfortable that this happened in two sides of the building. Because it would just be ghost story if it was in one spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's way easier to digest.

Cristina: It's two spots.

Jack: Yes. This story makes me so uncomfortable because of like the middle ground between science and paranormal that's happening.

Cristina: Okay, what happens next?

Jack: Well, following these events on the 28th.

Cristina: That'S what like two days later.

Jack: No, actually this is the 27th. Yes. So they both saw the female roaming, crying, chase to investigate, whatever. And the next day on the 27th, the same event happens here.

Cristina: Lady scream.

Jack: They see and they hear crying.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except this time only Ollie investigates. He's still like, there's. There's something weird, man. He's getting f***** with. His head is not right. He's like, dude, I gotta see. While Gerald continues to work. He's like, I am clearly losing my mind. It is the late nights doing this to me. I'm just gonna put my head down, keep working and ignore it. July 28, Gerald is reported missing. And he is never f****** found again.

Cristina: He's the one that stayed working.

Jack: He's the one who kept working. He is never found again. There's no trace of this person either.

Cristina: It's like ghosts are trying to help them escape the aliens. Or something.

Jack: Something, something is f****** happening.

Cristina: Trying to get them out of the room.

Jack: It's trying to get them. Yes, that's my same conclusion. Exactly right. That's my exact conclusion. There's something trying to get them out because whatever is in the room with them is worse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's a f***** up story, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't know what's happening. And it's. It's legitimately scary. I'm telling you. Like, this is an uneasy situation. I don't easily get scared. I was looking for science and I found just something really uncomfortable. Really ridiculously uncomfortable.

Cristina: Yeah. This is so crazy.

Jack: And it's like I don't. I really don't know what to think so far, man. Because it feels like you go outside and you're safe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If you don't, you're just gone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The very first instant somebody's gone. The only person who didn't investigate. Everybody continues investigating regularly. They're perfectly fine. But the moment they stop, gone without a f****** trace. What the h*** is happening?

Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so what happens next? Cuz there's one more guy. I'm assuming there's this pattern forming. He's gonna disappear. Right.

Jack: Well, first I want to really just try to understand this. There are patterns, but let's review the events. We hear a female scream and we have Ollie and Gerald go and investigate. They see nothing. Or maybe they investigate. I have. No, no, see, here's the problem. Unless we have to assume. We have to assume they investigated the first time and just didn't report on that. But they have to report everything they do so they wouldn't.

Cristina: You Said they did investigate the scream. I thought the only one that didn't investigate the scream was a lady.

Jack: Was that. Okay, so they did investigate the scream, Right?

Cristina: Yeah, they did.

Jack: No, because I know they all heard the scream.

Cristina: They investigate. They didn't. The first thing that happened was some sound. And they didn't investigate the sound.

Jack: Yes, that. My bad. That's okay. That's what I was trying to get to screw the scream. The sound. Yes. You see, this is my point. This is immediately f******. Because I'm trying to wrap my head around all of it. The sound. None of them investigated the sound?

Cristina: No.

Jack: None of them were missing or they all investigated the sound, didn't report on it. But they have to. That's sort of the rule here. They have to report on it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because everything else is reported on. We have to assume everything is reported on. The fact that there's no. Say I left my room and looked.

Cristina: Yeah. They just heard a sound, didn't investigate. Saw light, didn't investigate.

Jack: And nothing happened to them other than the first time with the sound. Them getting sick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the pattern. There's no real pattern here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: It feels like there is. And then like really you look at it and there isn't. Because nobody investigated the sound. As far as we know.

Cristina: But that's probably why they got sick.

Jack: Why didn't anybody missing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And why didn't the sickness ever get mentioned again?

Cristina: I don't know. That's true.

Jack: Why? Why do we have two missing people without a trace? But then before. No. Unless it's the fact that all three of them didn't. Maybe one at a time. Because that's what happened with the scream. One of them didn't and then went missing. Then following again. One of them didn't and went missing. It's the only pattern we have. Whatever's taking them couldn't, in theory take all of them simultaneously. It could only take the straggler.

Cristina: Yes. So that means the guy that's by himself. There's no way.

Jack: Because he's the only one.

Cristina: Because he's only. Unless he runs out if something weird happens again. Unless nothing weird is gonna happen.

Jack: But also the facility is compartmentalized. Other than them running and crossing paths, they don't know s*** about anybody else.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So they're not even getting filled in about this other crap. They don't know what the h*** is happening. They don't even know this other chick is just missing.

Cristina: They must know that.

Jack: No. It's a really top secret part of the facility, they work on really secretive stuff.

Cristina: So some secret experiment is on the loose.

Jack: I mean, I guess it could in theory be that, but it doesn't seem like they're working on some kind of creature of any sort. It seems like, you know, maybe medicine or some s***, and they're just not revealing what it is.

Cristina: I don't know, like, the place in Resident Evil was doing medicine.

Jack: Yeah, but these reports are, like, full reports. They would be talking about, oh, the creature got out or something. Like, somebody would know.

Cristina: Oh, someone else would write that.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It would make sense to some. Like, at some point, Something like somebody would be like, oh, well, we're not gonna talk about this because, you know, it was the f****** monster we made.

Cristina: Yeah. Just.

Jack: Just erase the thing. So nobody knows, you know? But the logs are still there. There were people confused, trying to investigate, even working there.

Jack: But, like, what the h*** is going on? Then we have an instance of sounds. What the f*** are the sounds? None of you could determine the sounds? Okay, whatever. So some sound sounds, strange sounds. Literally one of the quotes is strange sounds. Like, that's as much as they can get your scientists. What the h***? Yeah, strange sounds, okay, but dizziness and.

Cristina: Nausea, how would that happen?

Jack: And, like, all three of you, how would that happen? How the f*** was the sound then?

Cristina: It was, I don't know, strange enough to get them sick. What?

Jack: Interesting enough. I wanted to investigate the sound and found kind of a lot of stories about people feeling nausea and dizziness in different scenarios following a strange sound.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: Unrelated to this, just some whole other. I was like, what kind of sounds could cause that? And in typing, like, okay, sound that can cause dizziness and nausea.

Cristina: So it's a common thing?

Jack: Well, no, it's just all other weird.

Cristina: Oh, it's just weird stories?

Jack: Yeah, it was just weird, like, Reddit stories and s***. People like hearing sounds and then, oh, I'm sick suddenly. But these professional scientists all kind of wrote the same thing in, like, an official log, which then makes me question, like, these people on Reddit aren't that crazy. Maybe they really experience that s***, and we're just over here like, you're a f****** nutjob. But then these scientists are like, no, that really happened.

Cristina: But we can't even compare the sound with because we don't know what the f*** the sound is.

Jack: Weirdly enough, in these Reddit f****** stories, the same instant, a totally anomalous, indistinguishable sound leads to the nausea and dissonance.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot tell what the sound is, but neither can these scientists. But the result is the same sickness or something. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: My question is why this and then no result? And why the flash and no result? The only pattern is one of them didn't get involved.

Cristina: Yeah, so far that seems like the only pattern.

Jack: Yeah, but also, let's say ghosts. Then what the h*** with the sound and what the h*** with the flash? That's so alien.

Cristina: I don't know. Are you sure? I feel like if we investigate some.

Jack: Ghost stories, we'd find flashing lights and weird sounds. Yeah, probably. Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably. But then the problem with a ghost is the echo nature of it. It shouldn't be in three places at once. It should be in one spot repeating the same s***. Yeah, that kills the ghostliness.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: Creepy a** story, right? Yeah, it's so messed up. Okay, so on the 28th, Gerald is reported missing and he is never heard of again. His report, just like Stephanie's, ends with him working, finishing the workday.

Cristina: That's it?

Jack: That's it. Just no more Gerald.

Cristina: Whoa. What's happening? Doesn't like you would expect that it would happen instantly, but no, they still finish the day off like nothing.

Jack: On the 29th, nothing. Nothing happened.

Cristina: Nothing happened.

Jack: Nothing happened. We have a bunch of days back to back, and then they have nothing.

Cristina: How long until something happens?

Jack: The 30th. Two days later.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On July 30th, a police report states a call came from Bioventus facility from an Ollie Austin claiming that the power to the building. It's a science facility, very important. It has backup generators.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The power to the building was cut off. Should not have happened to the entire building.

Cristina: To the entire building.

Jack: To the entire building. And then he was attacked. Everything got pitch black. Dark, dark, dark, dark. He can't see s***. And he was attacked.

Cristina: He told them he was attacked.

Jack: He told them he was attacked. And his lab was destroyed, but nothing was stolen.

Cristina: He lived, though, or did he disappear?

Jack: He's totally fine. He was just beat up.

Cristina: They got there, but the lights were working, weren't they?

Jack: When they got there, the lights were fine.

Cristina: The lights were fine. So he imagined it. Not imagined it, but what he was experiencing. The rest of the building wasn't like all the other events.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: These events are just happening to him.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Because later questioning of the janitor's report, none of this ever took place. Yeah, they didn't experience anything.

Cristina: And there's no way to know if there was anything in that room that destroyed it. It just Looks like he did it.

Jack: Yes. And the cameras, again, that did exist at no moment cut off and did not see any power outage.

Cristina: Okay, I didn't see him being attacked or anything, but he was in the room while it happened.

Jack: He was in the room while it happened?

Cristina: Yes, while it happened. He didn't hear a sound or flash or anything.

Jack: No lights go out. Something f***** him up.

Cristina: And the whole room.

Jack: Yeah, something destroyed that room. S*** was thrown everywhere and broken everywhere.

Cristina: But when they investigate, like how he's hurt and whatever, does it look like he did it to himself or does it look like he was attacked?

Jack: It looks like he was attacked. Okay, now because here's the craziest part about this. Why the. Why his work?

Cristina: What is his work?

Jack: What is his work? At no point is it specified what his work is. Again, there's a bunch of classified s*** happening in there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we come back to what you were talking about. I don't think something broke out, but definitely they were working on something maybe they shouldn't have and something with much more power decided, this is probably a bad idea. Now I kind of come back to aliens. But then, what the f*** is with the crying lady? Now the sounds and the flashing lights are just aliens. Like, stop f****** doing what you're doing. But then what's up with the lady? Yeah, and if they're all working on different things, what the f***?

Cristina: Why are they being attacked?

Jack: Why did two of them go missing? And why was his lab destroyed?

Cristina: Yeah, but does he end up going missing? Is this the end of the story? This isn't.

Jack: No, this isn't the end of the story. He's perfectly fine other than getting beat up. I said he's totally fine.

Cristina: He's still gonna work late, though. After this moment, he's like, yeah, whatever. I survived. I'm gonna continue working late.

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Sure, why not?

Cristina: Sure, why not?

Jack: Yeah, of course he didn't go back to the building. What? Of course. That's crazy.

Cristina: Okay? Wondering, like, all these other events and he was like, whatever, I' continue working.

Jack: Yeah, but now he got. He has physical proof.

Cristina: Okay. And then he finally stops.

Jack: Yeah, obviously no human after that point is gonna be, like, nuts. Totally in my head. I'm going back to my facility. What is he gonna work on if his s*** is destroyed? Yeah, what is he going back to? Nothing. There's nothing. There's nothing. It's all destroyed. His lab is destroyed. He got beat up. There's no reason for him to go back. Except he does. But not Even the work. Because on August 3, a police report claims that.

Cristina: What did he do? He burned the building. Now.

Jack: Well, he called claiming he was being followed. Oh, yeah.

Cristina: And his. Before he got to the building or when he went back to the building? Like, why did he go back to the building?

Jack: Well, that's unclear until we get to August 4th, where there's a police report claiming that they got a call from Bioventus, from one of the janitors. Okay, this is where this breaks down so hard, and I'm traumatized.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: So Ollie Austin is found dead. He's not missing. He's found dead.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Totally mutilated, but he did it to himself. He's covered in blood, and his notes are written on the walls, crazy person style, okay? In scientific notation using both pencil and blood. And his own blood, of course. Yep. What the f***?

Cristina: And the two other bodies? No, there's no.

Jack: There's no other bodies.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Like, I thought eventually they'd find those bodies.

Jack: No, no, no. I said specifically. These people were never found.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were never found. They cease to exist to this day.

Cristina: I don't understand why he was different.

Jack: I don't understand either. I don't understand why any situ. There's no pattern.

Cristina: There really is no pattern.

Jack: There's no pattern. Random horror s*** going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** is happening in this building, bro?

Cristina: Yeah. Did anyone piece what he was writing or whatever?

Jack: It's just his notes. It's just the work he was doing.

Cristina: Just work. Oh, okay.

Jack: Just the work he was doing what?

Cristina: In his room, though, in the hallway? Like, where was he found exactly?

Jack: He was found in his lab.

Cristina: In his lab, which.

Jack: There was no reason for him to go back. There was nothing in his lab. It was all destroyed.

Cristina: When he was being followed. He was calling from the building, though.

Jack: I'm unclear on that. It just says that. There's a report saying that he was being followed. I think headed towards the building.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: We're leaving the building. I'm not entirely sure it was the previous day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, Ollie's last log from this night claimed to have met a fellow scientist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, this story makes me so uncomfortable. Keep in mind, there's no reason for him to be in the building.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's no reason for him to make a log.

Cristina: But he does.

Jack: But he does. On the fourth, he makes a log like nothing happened. Normal. Just normal. Everyday thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Ollie's last log claims that he met a Stephanie Ramirez in the hallways and that was it. That's the lady who went missing.

Cristina: I know that. I know that, but. And.

Jack: And they both searched for the source of a scream. The end.

Cristina: The end.

Jack: The end.

Cristina: That's such a horror story.

Jack: So he met somebody who was missing that he had never met before.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Looked for a scream with her. With her. That is very similar to what he experienced with Gerald.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He doesn't report whether you found anything or anything. It's just. He's just found f****** self mutilated dead. There's nobody else of these two individuals ever found. Janitors experienced anything. Camera' caught nothing. The end.

Cristina: It makes no sense.

Jack: Incredibly uneasy. This story makes me.

Cristina: That's the end of the story.

Jack: That's the end of the story. There's nothing else on this.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: And people still work at this building. This building's still a building that's being used to do stuff in.

Jack: Yeah. So on official reports, this is put down. Now the two missing people are again, there's no body, there's no nothing. There's different claims. There's no death.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So whatever. Scientists working on crazy s***, they run away all the time. Maybe they're working on something they shouldn't have. Whatever. So these reports are easy. The Ollie one, you know, scientist loses his mind, you know, takes his own life type s***. Okay, so none of the other scientists who also don't know any of the other scientists other than the people who work in their respective labs have anything to fear about coming back to work. It looks on paper like scientists down the hall working on something crazy went crazy. Typical science. Okay, the people, this, Ali's personal team, they have their own notes. They just rebuild and work.

Cristina: Okay, well, but like after this, no one stayed late in that building. These are the only scientists who ever stay late in that building.

Jack: There were other scientists that stayed late around this period. Is just these three people.

Cristina: Just these three people that experienced these events?

Jack: No, it's just these three people who are single at the point where these events were happening.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: July and August of 2012.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Only these three sciences were regularly sting late.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And obviously before and after crap ton of scientists, I'm sure have stayed late. But there's nothing if they have, there's nothing related to this.

Cristina: I don't understand what this story is.

Jack: I don't either. The fact that it's so unclear is what makes it horrible, horrifying. We can't just be like, oh, it's a ghost. That's what's scary about the story.

Cristina: I don't. Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's. I don't know where to point. I don't know what to think. That's what makes it so uneasy. Was it aliens? Was it. Was it ghosts? What the h*** is going on?

Cristina: Yes. Like he sees the girl and she's like, hey, I heard that sound too.

Jack: Yes. What now? Who. What the. Is the girl sound? What's the screaming woman thing?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So many parts. Flashing lights, anomalous sounds, screaming. Two missing people and a person who hurt themselves after they were attacked and the lab was destroyed. What is the line that cuts through all of this?

Cristina: Is there an. I don't know. There's no explanation.

Jack: Just random s*** that happens for two months.

Cristina: That's so weird because there's other people there too. The janitors, you say? And nothing.

Jack: The janitors were in the building late.

Cristina: Yeah. And nothing.

Jack: Nothing.

Cristina: What could have happened?

Jack: And the theories just conspiracy nonsense. And the official explanations are for this, for Ollie is that scientists went crazy. And for Stephanie and Gerald are they potentially ran away because they're working on some thing that they shouldn't have or they stole data to go sell or whatever the case because it's again, a bunch of classified stuff. And this kind of stuff typically happens where somebody takes a thing. You could sell it for a crap ton of money. Just leave the country, give to like China or something. There's a bunch of that going on.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. This is such a weird story. So weird. No good explanation.

Jack: No good explanation.

Cristina: What? It's just so weird. Just trying to understand the story is hard.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird and choppy. There's no, like, what does this have to relate with that. Yeah, that's all we need to do in this.

Cristina: This. Holes everywhere.

Jack: Yes, exactly. If. If one thing was consistent.

Cristina: The time is consistent.

Jack: The time is consistent. But what the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Does that mean.

Jack: What the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: Alien.

Jack: What is 8:32? Well, no, the time is very ghost. Aliens do crap at the same time. Ghost do, because echo, it's the same thing at the same time. That checks out with ghost and the like crying lady. Very typical ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even the scream. We could chalk off the ghost s***.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of it is ghostly. But at the same time. No, because it's all happening at the same time.

Jack: Yes, but like, I think this leans harder to ghosts than anything else too.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like we have to say we have to break some ghost rules here. In order to keep a ghost. The fact that it's not an isolated direction, but rather somehow outside everybody's door. I don't know why, but it's. It's the case.

Cristina: Yeah. Just a ghost that's doing the same thing to everyone around it first. But only specifically these three scientists.

Jack: Yes, because that's weird. Yes, because the janitor's there too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And a ghost wouldn't give a. With somebody working on. Yeah, like, unless these things led to somebody's death. Interesting.

Cristina: That could be something.

Jack: And then this is a revenge ghost. But again, all three. It breaks down because all three projects are different.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: They aren't working on the same thing.

Cristina: But it only happens in the room.

Jack: And it only happens in the room. Nothing happens outside the room.

Cristina: Except when he met Stephanie. That was outside the room.

Jack: Yes. And when they followed the girl around the corner. Yes, that happened inside the room.

Cristina: They saw her, but they weren't in the hallway at the same time as her. At least I don't think, like they saw her turn that corner. But they weren't, were they? Did they?

Jack: Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. I'm assuming they saw her turn the corner, but they actually saw her walk past her door and they run outside. And there's only one direction she could have gone around the corner.

Cristina: Yeah. So it seems like so far everything.

Jack: Has happened from inside the room.

Cristina: Yes. Except for that last part.

Jack: Unless they never left the room.

Cristina: Unless he never left the room.

Jack: Unless he never left the room.

Cristina: Which makes also sense.

Jack: That means he's going crazy in that room. Which would also explain the self mutilation. And he tore apart the room.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So the assumption here is none of this is happening. All of this is in their head. Easy to say ghost. Easy to say alien because you don't need anything else. It's all in their heads.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then the problem again, everything has. There's a hole being poked by the story at all times. Yes, because what the h*** happens to the other two?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Why? What decided who gets taken and how? So if none of them really ran outside, because it's all happening in their heads, why did she go first? Why did he go second? Why didn't he go at all? There's like, rules and the rules break themselves.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Like, some of it makes sense, but then. Yeah, it doesn't make sense, really.

Jack: No, it doesn't. This is probably the most horrifying thing I've ever read because of how confusing it is. It's kind of like when you first watch Paranormal Activity without knowing that it's totally bullshit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, what the f*** is happening? It can't.

Cristina: It feels like it's happening in their rooms, though. But it's weird because none of their rooms are next to each other, either exact. Well, that's the only explanation. It's just something that's in the room.

Jack: Yes. Now, when Geralt and Ollie ran outside their rooms. Here's the problem. They logged that and they talked to each other. They met the other person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Alternatively, maybe they f****** didn't because Ollie met somebody who's been missing.

Cristina: That's true. So they might not have met each other.

Jack: You see why this story immediately gets even more uneasy?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then if he didn't meet Geralt when he ran outside and Geralt didn't meet Ollie, what the f*** did they see? Because it's just as likely that it wasn't. Because, again, Ollie met Stephanie, who's been missing. So you didn't really need Stephanie for Ollie to meet Stephanie, which means you don't really need Geralt for Ollie.

Cristina: They might not have ever left the room.

Jack: Never left the room.

Cristina: It's just like that's where their mind took them. If that's what's happening. But who knows?

Jack: But, you know, they could have just been going crazy and there's something making them go crazy.

Cristina: Whatever that first event was that made them feel sick.

Jack: Yes. Interesting angle to take, because maybe there's some toxin in the building. But again, the problem is it's. Janitor. Yes. Maybe there's vents. No, because it would lead everywhere. Vents would lead everywhere. Why would the vents only lead to their rooms and not to the hallways?

Cristina: That's true. Maybe this is some revenge story. Maybe there is this evil scientist guy who's like, I gotta get rid of these scientist people.

Jack: It could totally be. It could totally be that they are being poisoned. Because again, it seems to be happening in their rooms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So something could have been put in their rooms. But then why three different scientists working on different things? These three scientists must have had a connection to one individual.

Cristina: Yes, because they are working with each other. Even if they're not really working with each other, they're.

Jack: They work for the same company.

Cristina: Yes, that's it. Yes. But there's gotta be some connection. They know each other. Not know each other, but, like, by. Like, I know this scientist who knows that scientist who knows that one who knows you.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They have connected in some way.

Jack: Yeah, like seven degrees of separation.

Cristina: Exactly. So there has to be someone that knows all three of them.

Jack: I guess. But then what's up with that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because we still have two people that are missing.

Jack: Yes. We got two people that are missing. This story is messed up because a guy met somebody who's missing, which takes away. No. Okay. No, it can't be. It can't be. It can't be. And I'm gonna tell you why this is broken. We're not even thinking about it. And it's the most obvious part. How is he gonna go crazy and report the exact name of somebody missing who he's never met?

Cristina: He has to have heard about the name. There's no way he didn't hear about the missing people in the building. Even if he doesn't know those people, there's no way no one was talking about the missing people.

Jack: Okay, let me break this conclusion for you. How did Gerald meet Ollie and Ollie meet Gerald and they report having met each other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You see the problem?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There was nobody missing out of those two.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were in the building at the.

Cristina: Same time they were.

Jack: And they allegedly met.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to their own notes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they confirm each other by name. Did they not meet? And how the f*** did they get the name? Right. But that means they did leave the rooms. Unless they didn't. But how the h*** did they. So then we're back to ghost. How is this ghost pretending to be the opposite person being in the room? And like, what's happening in the room?

Cristina: Or if it's aliens and they're not really in the hallways in those moments, but like in the spaceship next to each other. They just don't know it.

Jack: Oh. Oh, I didn't think about that at all. This is during the abduction. The whole everything is happening in the building is also part of the illusion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They made up the building in your mind after they took you out of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or before they took you out of it. They project the building. They take you. You don't realize you're gone. And maybe you're connected to a Matrix esque thing that's showing you the building.

Cristina: Man, that kind of makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. So then we're back to. You see how crazy this is? And it jumps from aliens to go back and forth and it's like we don't know what the h***'s going on.

Cristina: Well. But the alien ones kind of make sense. Yeah.

Jack: Now we're starting to ground it a little. Right? Yeah. We're bringing our job. Look, the Internet has struggled with this one, we're bringing it home.

Cristina: But they brought it to aliens, too.

Jack: They brought it to aliens. Yeah. That was the main conclusion. Everybody went to aliens.

Cristina: It's hard because. Yeah, like aliens. Because, yes, they. They're doing more than just taking you to their ship. They've got. If they got technology to have a ship in the first place, they can have an illusion.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They can have a super. So the fact that they traversed space at all, they have a super sophisticated projection that could convince the f*** out of you, there's no question.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They need enough energy to traverse space.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They can convincingly project the universe.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They have to be able to. That's way less energy. It takes way less energy to do that. You just gotta fool somebody's senses. That's it.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So.

Jack: And maybe the weird sound and the weird flashes are. Because Maybe it's not a. Maybe it's not a perfect illusion.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These are just the cracks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The glitches here and there.

Cristina: Yeah. And the lady screaming could have been stuffing it. She just didn't know.

Jack: Yes. Yes. And somehow the feedback came back to her too.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because she's also in some weird. Whatever they're in. In that moment.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Feel right? I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. Well, point is, the s*** makes me hella uneasy. It's so weird. It's a very horrifying story.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What, and it had nothing to do with science?

Cristina: No.

Jack: This story was me trying to replicate the cola. Super deep borehole. And, you know, weird science crap, I can investigate. But no, it didn't take me to weird science crap. It took me to scientists experiencing weird crap.

Cristina: The weirdest.

Jack: The weirdest, weirdest crap. And also, no. It's so tame. But something about the tameness is more horrible.

Cristina: It builds up to something horrifying.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it definitely escalated with time.

Cristina: Yeah. Like that ending. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Also the missing people and, like, haunting itself.

Jack: Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he meet a missing person? Why did he paint the walls with his equations? That's another, like, weird. Like, what, dude?

Cristina: Because he was still working. I guess it makes it feel like aliens. Feels like he.

Jack: He's on autopilot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, there's nothing in the lab. So he's still working. Malfunction. That's so much scarier, bro. Like, his body is still. But that means he's still in the room and not connected to some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, because he malfunctioned. They put something in him. They investigate that body okay, so the.

Jack: Theory here would be the events happened of him getting abducted and whatever. And then they put him back. But they put him back broken. And then he continued to work on nothing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And covered the walls with his blood and pencil notations of all his equations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he's broken now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he killed him. I don't know why he killed himself in the process, but. Because he's broken.

Cristina: Because he's broken. Yeah. And they probably killed the other two. I don't know why. Or maybe they're not dead. No, because he saw her. So he might have saw her. Seen her when he was up there with them.

Jack: Yes. So they're just missing. They got abducted. Why didn't he? Why was he useless?

Cristina: Because he was broken. That's why they put him back. And then he killed himself.

Jack: There was something already wrong with him that they could tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While the other two. There was nothing wrong with them. They could keep these. These are the good hosts. Let's keep them. That guy's no good. Return him, and then that whole thing happens. Yeah, I guess. I guess it checks out to some degree. I guess the Internet figured it out then. Tin foil hat was the way to go.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: I mean, it's the closest.

Cristina: It's the closest. I guess. Like, it's just such random.

Jack: Yes, it's. But if we talk glitch. And so the first couple of instances are just a. Faulty. They're establishing. They're starting to establish the signal that's gonna trap these people. That's why nobody went missing initially. You know, there's a couple of days between one point and another at the beginning, and then. Okay, consecutive days of crap happening, and the aliens are consistently picking at them, and then. Oh, no, that one's faulty. We can't seem to work around his problems. Leave that guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The other two people must have been fine. But also, why do you need one at a time? Why is it only the one who stayed behind?

Cristina: Why is the only one that stayed behind?

Jack: Yeah. When she stayed behind, she got abducted. When he stayed behind, he got abducted. But then there's only one person. He's the last one. Did they want the people who didn't give a f***? She only got taken once she stopped. Well, she never gave a f***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or was too scared to do anything. And boom. Scooped up the other guy when he investigated. Nothing. But when he didn't. Gone. Why is it necessary that they don't? There's so many f****** holes, man.

Cristina: Maybe he was just not ready. Maybe they were Experimenting on them and like it didn't really matter who came first or not. Like they could have done it all at the same time.

Jack: It just happened to be coincidence that she stayed, then he stayed.

Cristina: Yeah, but maybe. I don't know. It's so weird. I don't know. There's so much weirdness happening.

Jack: Yep. So that's the Bioventus missing person's case.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? Not even that long ago, huh?

Jack: Not even that long ago. 2012. Well, 10 years ago.

Cristina: 10 years ago. Yeah. But stuff could happen like that again in that place. There's gonna be another scientist who's gonna stay.

Jack: There have been scientists who stayed late. Oh, this has only happened in that period, then over again. And some of this is piece from police reports. So. Yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: No, very interesting.

Jack: Very strange and very horrifying. One of the few things that has made me uneasy and it's because it's hard to like follow, sit together. It's so problematic.

Cristina: There's a story there. It's just like, what?

Jack: What is. Yeah, there's clearly a story. What is it? You know, that's real question.

Cristina: It's really happening. Is there something really happening?

Jack: I don't know, but yeah. So what do you think? Crazy, right?

Cristina: That is crazy. I don't understand.

Jack: Neither do I. So look, you've got a couple of creepy things here and there, you know, there's my breakdown of my personal creepy experiences relative to Clinton Road and trying to understand that and like bubble universes and whatever. So you can find all that stuff. We've got. There's a. Actually this is right up our alley. There's a bunch of horror s*** all over the place and a bunch of like weird instances and crap everywhere and creatures and like whatever you find all of that. All that. And if you need clips and crap, if you want to talk to us, you want to ask us questions or you want to have a converse, maybe you know something about this. Like, fill us. Fill in the blanks for us. You can find us to have those conversations on Facebook, Twitter and Instagram at justconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Do all those things. Mainly review the show. Leave us some stars.

Cristina: Yes. And emojis. Always ghosts.

Jack: Yeah. Or alien.

Cristina: Or alien. I guess. Whichever you think happened.

Jack: Yeah, I guess I don't even.

Cristina: Ghosts coming out of alien ships. I don't know. Yeah, it's both. Alien. Ghost. Yeah.

Jack: And you know, let someone who might like the show know about it. Tell them, tell them if they like weird mysteries, if they like solving mysteries. This is like the mother of mysteries, bro.

Cristina: This is an unsolvable mystery.

Jack: This is unsolvable as h*** because there's too many parts missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We literally don't have witnesses. We have footage saying none of this has ever happened. We got people in the building simultaneously who didn't experience any of it. And once the people left their rooms, they also had nothing to claim. Yeah, only while in their rooms. So, like, there's too many pieces missing. But if your homies like to solve mysteries, this is up there with, like, big problems to solve that you say like Bigfoot.

Cristina: Okay, I guess that's.

Jack: That's an overpowered mystery that no one has ever solved.

Cristina: Yeah, solve that one, too. This has been the right rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. Tiny.

Jack: It's about the size, relatively speaking. Our actual planet size is about the size that Puerto Rico is to Earth is all we are to all of us. To the entire planet. Yes. So what Puerto Rico on our maps is to our observable planet is the size of the us to the actual planet.

Cristina: Man, I wish I could see that. That's a really ridiculous picture.

Jack: Crazy visual. Yeah. But it's more or less that same. It is a globe we're on. Like, the Earth isn't flat, it's round.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the part of it that we exist on is quite arguably pretty flat, considering how much you got to go before you hit curvature, because it's so.

Cristina: It's so tiny.

Jack: It's a small section of something huge. So the curvature is so vastly flat that you wouldn't be able to tell.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 15, 2022

Rambling 196: Kola Superdeep Borehole

October 15, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is the Kola Superdeep Borehole? What are the circumstances surrounding this interesting experiment? What rests at the bottom? The duo unpack one of history’s strangest phenomena, the Kola Superdeep Borehole and the incredibly strange circumstances and rumors surrounding the research. What is discovered will raise questions our duo will be permanently scarred by.

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Topics Discussed:

Russian Drilling Experiment
Earth’s Crust
Geophone or Seismic Detector
Largest Man-made Hole
Strange, Unexplainable Feedback
Fear Amongst Engineers and Researchers
Horrified Evacuation
Missing Reports and Data
Radio Silence
Mysterious Phenomena

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Befling ideas, your best baffling.

Cristina: Which ideas? Tell me some baffling ideas.

Jack: Aliens could be non physical trans dimensional beings from somewhere that don't use our physics. I guess non physical would be not using our physics right. By default.

Cristina: Yes. Non physical.

Jack: Here's, here's, here's my problem. Let's, let's quickly just use like the reference point of something like biblical. Right? If it looks humanoid, it's from the physical world by default because it shouldn't resemble anything. It shouldn't resemble things because if it's not from our physical reality, then none of our senses should in theory catch it. Right. Anything that exists within our physical reality we can sense because our physics says we can.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anything biblical could in. Could not have really been seen or experienced. It couldn't have been witnessed by any sense because it should in theory exist outside of our physical reality. Therefore, outside of our senses that are all physical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nothing in any religion could have really been seen by anybody who said they saw it or heard by. It's impossible. Just like as a weird name, like, we'll probably not talk about this again because it'll just poke all the holes in all the conversations we're having, especially when we're trying to make it really grounded and possible, but really, really, like, just as an odd opener to like send this home once and for all and then never address it again as we totally pretend I didn't say this. Really, really nothing transcendent, nothing from a different plane could be detected by any of our senses because our senses are physical. Therefore we could only capture things from our physical reality. So nothing biblical, nothing religious. No, no, no thought creatures, nothing. Nothing from outside of what science, Nothing outside of what science says exists could be detected by us because it literally exists outside of physics, outside of physical reality. So it's all a lie. Like without, like an, like objectively, factually.

Cristina: Unquestionably, like even people who see in their dreams, Unquestionably, that's also reality.

Jack: Questionably, yeah. All of the above has got to under every circumstance, without exception, be a lie because it does not exist within our physical reality. So you could not have detected it. What you did detect must have factually existed from within our physical reality. Therefore it is just some part of nature.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Without exception.

Cristina: Alright, so if these things were real things, that they'd just be aliens?

Jack: Yes. Really? Really? If somebody's like, I saw a thing and it was. No, you saw an alien. You broke your own argument. There's nothing else. It was, it was an alien, okay? It was flying. It looked like a plane. It was probably a plane. It was not like a flying car. It was a plane. It was a space plane. Let's call it a spaceship. You know, like it is what it is. Really? Really? Now, totally ignoring the fact that I said that and diving into the opposite, because let's never address that again because it breaks every idea we have on this show to just clearly establish the fact that no, it couldn't happen, it couldn't be detected. But I was curious about random crap as I usually am. Have you ever heard of the, the, the cola? Super deep borehole?

Cristina: Can you say that again? The cola.

Jack: The cola. Super deep borehole Borehole. The cola. The cola. The co. It's Russian.

Cristina: I don't know Cola. Like Coca Cola.

Jack: That's how I am saying it. But it's probably wrong.

Cristina: Super deep bush hole. What?

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: I don't know. Borehole.

Jack: Borehole, yes, borehole.

Cristina: No idea.

Jack: So it's a hole. It's a hole we made in the ground. And it's not just a hole, but it's like a weird science experiment that we ran a long time ago.

Cristina: What was the experiment?

Jack: To dig a really deep hole.

Cristina: That was it. To see what's on the other side.

Jack: I mean, we know what's on the other side is just, you know, gather data. Essentially it's data gathering central. Where a bunch of scientists got together and we're like, whoa, a hole. Let's make one.

Cristina: So what's interesting about this hole?

Jack: Nothing. It's just really deep. It's the deepest hole in all of time.

Cristina: The deepest hole. How deep is this deep hole?

Jack: Pretty deep. As deep as holes go. As deep as man made holes go, specifically. Okay, there's probably deeper holes, but this is our deep hole, our deep hole. It's not the deepest hole, but it's my deep hole is the idea behind it. Right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's not the best, but it's mine. It's my stupid deep hole. And so humans wanted to dig a deep hole. They were like, we can't out beat nature, but we can have our own stupid hole.

Cristina: And that's it. No, like there's nothing special about this hole besides that we made it.

Jack: No you like my story?

Cristina: It was a weird story. Nothing to it. Just it's a deep hole.

Jack: Oh, well. Well, I'll give you some background information on the hole. The hole exists on the border of Norway and Russia and the hole was made essentially by the Soviet Union to dig in deep and explore depths.

Jack: And yeah.

Cristina: Are there demons in the hole?

Jack: That'd be cool. Why? Why would there be demons in the hole?

Cristina: I don't know. How does this relate to the first part of this whole thing?

Jack: Doesn't. I don't. Totally unconnected.

Cristina: It's just a depot.

Jack: Yeah. Edge. You said you told me to tell you baffling ideas. I was telling you something baffling.

Cristina: That's baffling.

Jack: No, this has nothing to do with the baffling information I told you about. The fact that nothing could have been detected and put in the Bible or in any religious book or any religious context at all could contain any of what they say that's unrelated to this whole. You asked me to tell you a baffling idea, so I told you something baffling. The fact that we can prove a statement that I made. That's the baffling that was baffling.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because like when you think about it, it's like, oh, oh yeah. I don't know why religion exists at all. That's baffling.

Cristina: So then this whole. Is this also baffling? How is it baffling?

Jack: This has nothing to do with baffling. I was just telling you about a hole.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The first story, unrelated to the second story. You asked a question and I answered your question and then I moved on to the hole. To the hole.

Cristina: To the hole.

Jack: Russia. Because what, what is. This is the show. We're talking. Okay, conversation. We're having conversation. But now all jokes aside. So yeah, this hole was made by the Soviet Union, exists in between the Russia and Norway. Cool, right?

Cristina: I guess there has to be more to it, right?

Jack: Why does there have to be more to it?

Cristina: Why are you telling me this?

Jack: I don't know, I just thought it was very interesting. No, but the whole. It was all jokes aside, the whole was made to be deepest hole. They were just trying to capture information and it was an old hole. It's the oldest, deepest man made. No, it's not the oldest. There's been other holes and it's actually many holes. It's like four holes that are called collectively the Kola Super Deep Borehole.

Cristina: It's four holes.

Jack: It's four holes. The region is the cola super deep. Borehole. And the one we're mainly referring to is the deepest of all the holes.

Cristina: Okay, so they were competing with each other to make.

Jack: No, it's all the same project. There's just different spots in the same general area. But the deepest.

Cristina: Trying to get to the deepest.

Jack: The deepest of all the holes reached just over 12 meters. 12,000 meters, which is, you know, just over 40,000ft. Or, you know, like. Like seven and a half miles or something like that.

Cristina: Mm. How long is that compared to, like.

Jack: It's deep. It's way deep. It's too deep.

Cristina: How many buses down?

Jack: How many buses down? I. Way. I mean, a single mile is a crap ton of buses. Also, how long is a bus? This weird measurement system.

Cristina: So I can use my imagination.

Jack: If you were to jog. Fourteen minutes. Do that. Seven and a half times that distance. That visual. However long that visual is, that's how long. Yes.

Cristina: That's not helpful.

Jack: So magic borehole, right? It's deep.

Cristina: It's called magic.

Jack: No, it's. I'm calling it the magic because it's. It's so deep that it's magical. Okay, Hashtag science.

Cristina: And that's it.

Jack: Science experiments for days. And we did it. We did it.

Cristina: Any other weird science experiments we've done like this?

Jack: No, this. This one was. You know, because in 1989, it was officially crowned the deepest. That's when. That's when it happened. And they were like, hey, you. The deepest point we've ever hit.

Cristina: And then they all gave up?

Jack: No, they applauded and everybody nodded. And then we. We patted each other on the back and screamed science, b****. And.

Cristina: But no one else tried to make a deeper hole.

Jack: Not in the same way. There's been wider holes that have happened since. But not deeper.

Cristina: Why not? Because no one's trying to break this record.

Jack: Nobody can break the record.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because it got weird.

Cristina: Okay, then.

Jack: Because it got weird.

Cristina: How did it get weird?

Jack: Well, let us go back in time. Oh, I gotta say. Wait, Let us go back in time to 1970. Okay, now we're back in time now.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That sound, that. That's going back in time. Everybody knows we've all seen it in the movies or if you're listening to an audiobook and they're like, you know.

Cristina: I don't feel like in movies I've ever heard anything.

Jack: Yeah, there's like a weird whoosh thing that happens. Some visual wavering effects or something. Or something spins that you can see.

Cristina: I think Something spins, sure. Yeah.

Jack: Stuff like that, you know, Junk like that past time related.

Cristina: Are we on the machine?

Jack: So look, we're in the past and there's a guy and he's like, yo, holes in deepness. And people were like, yeah, that sounds cool. Let's go to the place and do the thing. And they're like, well, we gotta go somewhere else. Because holes be deep and deeply, heat and heat be bad and equipment and stuff. And like. Yeah, so we gotta go cold because cold means less heat.

Cristina: Therefore deeper equipments won't damage from the heat.

Jack: Yes, you gotta go where it's absurdly cold.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you go up there to the, to the up there's.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then you dig in the up there's where it's cold and up.

Cristina: That makes sense there.

Jack: And so yeah, they do that. Bunch of scientists get together and like, yeah, we're gonna, we're gonna do cool hole digging stuff. And they got there and you know, they, they got a couple of different rigs.

Cristina: Like this is a creepypasta story.

Jack: No, this is a true story. This is an actual story that happened. Okay, so they go and they get a giant team. There's a bunch of workers out there and they get special rigs to dig different kinds testing different sizes, different widths, different lengths, different drills, power sources and blah blah, blah. And we slowly start to get deeper and deeper and deeper and deeper. And the hormone moans and everybody applauds the hormones. Can you imagine? But anyway, so there's a couple of different report, not reports essentially, but they're running experiments. You know, they want to see seismic activity. They want to see how the ground is moving below. They want to, they want to learn.

Cristina: More about the earth.

Jack: About the earth. They want to see what causes earthquakes, how they preemptively predict earthquakes. They want to see how the tectonic plates are moving. They want to see in these cold conditions up there by Russia, Norway, how it is under the ground and whatnots and blah blah, blah. So this might. This drill, all the drills, but specifically the one that gets called the super deep borehole, the deepest of all the portholes, that one, I mean all of them. But that one had equipped with two microphones. One was a geophone, I guess. Not two microphones. One's a geophone deal with a microphone.

Cristina: What's a geophone?

Jack: Geophone records vibration and turns it into readable voltage on a machine. So it's essentially some sort of like not echolocation, but I mean it's, you know, like if you were to hit the ground, what do you Call that that you can. It gives you tactile information. I forget the name of it.

Cristina: Vibrations.

Jack: Yeah, that. It gives you vibrations. You're detecting vibration. Unlike echolocation, when you throw sound out to hear sound come back. There's a tool that does something similar for vibration.

Cristina: Okay, I forget what it's called.

Jack: Sonar. It's like sonar. So sonar returns vibration to you, I guess. Or sonar is echolocation. Right. It's the same s*** you're throwing. Well, whatever. No, it's wrong. Something detects underground stuff is my point. So that's equipped here, that's a geo. The other thing, a microphone.

Cristina: Microphone, yeah.

Jack: So these things are on the thingy, the Dojima kebab. And it's like digging and drilling and stuff.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so everything. So let me explain. The GEO phone is a measurement device that's specifically going to capture the vibration, can turn that into a thingy that you could read on screen and it could turn it into different, you know, different sources. So what would this sound like, what would this look like? And it could convert that information.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: So you can be like, oh, this is what it would sound like if we had a microphone down there. Except actually have a microphone down there. But anyways, so they dig a hole, the hole moans, everybody plots like I said. And then they got all these tools and so for the most part, standard boring, crappy experiment where it's like, hey, we got this deep. Hahaha. We still haven't even found the G spot with a hole this big. And they get reports, everybody claps and everybody high fives and like, yeah, hole digging or whatever. And hole digging, bro, they're so excited for it.

Cristina: Yeah, they're gonna win the Guinness World record of holes.

Jack: They didn't. They were gonna do or they did know they were gonna do. Maybe it was a plan all along.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now the geophone was powered through the whole process, you know, it's a digging thing. But the microphone was powered beyond 5000 meters very specifically because it's not. You want to preserve this as long as possible to put it as deep as possible without anything happening. Now perfectly fine. All the sounds and all the vibrations and all. Everything was as expected. It was incredibly boring. Days, months, years, I don't know, however long, too long.

Cristina: You know how long this project was?

Jack: It was years. Well, most projects are years. In fact, like a five year project is probably a short one.

Cristina: Oh yeah.

Jack: So again, everything predictable, everything as expected.

Cristina: Until they heard something.

Jack: Till it stopped being predictable and it stopped being as expected.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: They heard something.

Jack: Yeah. So.

Cristina: Well, no.

Jack: Well, that would.

Cristina: Is it weirder than that?

Jack: So saying they heard something would assume that the microphone picked something up. Didn't. It's not quite what happened. The geophone started sending erratic, irrational signals back. Like, the recordings weren't making sense. It was complete gibberish. Like, nothing you'd hear. Like, if you tried to clarify the information, if you tried to get a, you know, turn into sounds or into visual, tell a computer. Hey, what are you trying to tell me, bruh?

Cristina: Like, what's. What's around you? Is that what he's trying to say?

Jack: Yeah. It's essentially trying to feedback, like, hey, this is what's happening down here. But it's like nothing and everything simultaneously. It's just noise. Like, noise from everywhere, completely muffling it and making it impossible to, like, distinguish one thing from the other. It's all blended and it's static. It's essentially geostatic. Okay, that's already weird. That's very weird. It should not. We're in the middle of nowhere. It's particularly cold. There isn't anything happening. Originally, they thought maybe something was moving underground, like the. The plates or some s*** in that very area. There's something about digging the hole perhaps created the thing. But then they wait.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And a weight. And it's still happening. Even after the machines are powered down, the sound just keeps resonating. It's there.

Cristina: So something's moving around on there. Is that what that's.

Jack: No, no, no. It's. Sound is coming from everywhere, simultaneously moving around. We'd be able to tell because the vibration would come from a specific location and move either getting stronger or weaker in some direction, according to the geophone.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We'd be able to pinpoint. Oh, it's under us. It's slightly below to the left, you know, but that's not happening. No, the sound is coming from every direction in the hole. Interesting. Now we're like, whatever. It's clearly messed up. So they stop. They go to another hole. They dig deep, deep, deep, deep, deep.

Cristina: But not as deep.

Jack: They dig deeper.

Cristina: Oh, they dig deeper. Okay. Because that's. Oh. So they. Each hole is just deeper because of this experiment. Okay.

Jack: So we got better tech. We got. Okay, same problem is happening. So you go to the third hole. New equipment again. Trying different methods, same idea, same region. This one hits a particularly complicated. The third one, it's a particular complicated rough patch underground. It seems like almost plastic is down there, and it's starting to jam the drill. Weird. Starting to jam the drill. Okay. We need a tighter, more solid, rougher, harder to break tool to go down there. We need our best drill. We need our best geophone. We need our best microphones. And so we do. Now we're entering the. The Big Kahuna, the Cola, The. The hole to out deep all the holes. And we're like, okay, now. Now it's a big f****** show. We've done this three times, and it's gotten. We've gotten less answers the more we've done it. This is getting complicated.

Cristina: Did they have any theories about the plastic?

Jack: Well, there wasn't plastic. The theories range, like, maybe there is a layer of stone or rock that's more like clay towards where the drill got stuck last. And that at that area, it's the perfect amount of pressure to kind of liquefy and be solid at the same time. So it could wrap itself around the drill and then jam it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We just need something that wouldn't be affected by that. All right, so we use the best drill we got. And that again, that's theory. So we go ahead and we make it to that same depth about 7 meters in, and we're experiencing the same thing. But again, this feels ready for it. So it keeps moving through. Like. Okay, the. The texture changed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We start hitting what feels like a barrier.

Cristina: Did they pass it?

Jack: Yes. So do we hit the barrier after we get through? Like, the clay, the sticky, plasticky feeling part. And it's rough for a moment. Like, it's not even going to go through. But there's. We can tell. Yeah, it's making progress. So we're like, okay, we've hit some particularly rough patch of rock. This is harder than all the hard. And we're piercing through and then get through. We break through, whatever that is. Just tear through, and suddenly no resistance. No resistance at all.

Cristina: Okay, yes, good. Or that's even more suspicious. Is it weirder because of that?

Jack: Both. So it's good. We were anticipating that we get through it. We're gonna get to a lighter patch of rock we didn't expect to dig through. And then nothing. No resistance. That was weird because that shouldn't be the case. In fact, reports from the other holes suggest that down in those depths, if you were to pull the drill out, the. The pressure alone would immediately cover the hole. So the dirt and the rock and everything with it's so. It's so crushed under the weight of the earth itself that you pull the drill out. It just plugs up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There shouldn't Be a cavity. There shouldn't be a void based on the data from the other three holes. But we pierced through and seem to have found a void, just a gap underneath. Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very strange. Right? All right, so the void is probably one of the strangest things to have ever been found in all of geology. And they move to examine all the data coming from the geophone because, again, no resistance. It seems to be a void. And now, in theory, there should be nothing coming back because the machine isn't. It's like the machine is spinning in nowhere. We can feel nothing. It's just the machine's vibration feeding back. There's no resistance feeding back. Okay, so we stop all the machines and we review the geophone's information. It says that the feedback has not stopped. There is still sound coming from every direction at exactly the same frequency, just louder.

Cristina: In the void.

Jack: In the void.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Before it was expected plates, it was expected moving rock, it was expected air pockets bursting. Anything? No, because now we can tell the drill isn't coming in contact with anything. But there is enough vibration. There's enough something down there flinging the vibration at like even the air is being compressed somehow. Something is causing the vibration to feed back into the machine. So geolocator. Geolocator. The geophone is capturing something. Okay, this is weird. We don't know what's happening. Luckily, we have a microphone connected. So let's go and review that.

Cristina: And then it gets weirder. Come on. Right.

Jack: It's odd, but not crazy. So they review the microphone data and they realize that it is a crazy amount of disturbance. Just consistent feedback. Feedback. Feedback. Sounds like nothing. Too much sound. And they realize 99.99% of the sound being fed back is the machine. So, like, all right, at some point we stopped the machine and we were still receiving feedback on the geophone. So let's find the recordings. The audio recordings of the microphone caught starting at that point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Forward. Well, when they reviewed that, what they got from it was again, it has to explain it in the order, I suppose. So they hear the original and data all the sound coming with the drill. And it sounded like an absurd amount of static and absurd amount of vibration and said about a movement motion, they go and they review the part that comes after. After the machines are off, after they're getting the geophone, still receiving immense amount of vibration, and they hear what at first sounds like a consistent rumble. A imagine if you were to hear a cat purr and then record that and then turn it to the lowest possible frequency. So it starts at, you know, no more capering. Okay. You start turning in and turning it lower until it's just.

Cristina: And that's what it sounds like.

Jack: Yeah. Consistent, consistent, consistent. So they're like, this is clearly being. The sound is being altered by the environment. It's too wide down there. There's something. The shape of it is creating a feedback loop.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the sound is feeding back into itself.

Cristina: So how do they solve that problem?

Jack: They're gonna hire the frequency, they're gonna take the sound, and then they're gonna alter the sound manually, cleaning it, essentially turning up the frequency so they can clarify what it is that they're capturing, what kind of rock it will be told to them. I suppose they can hear of two things rubbing against each other based on the sound. If equipment, they can. You know, they got reference points. They've been doing this for a very long time. These geologists get it. They understand how the ground works. Of they can clarify, they can hear what it is. Then they can compare and be like, this is what's happening down there. Now we can remove those variables and hear other things. Very logical proceedings. Except when they refine the sound, it didn't sound like a bunch of rocks rubbing up against each other. It gradually sounded more disturbing to all the scientists. First sounding like more than one thing. I guess you could say more than one thing. All at once from different angles, different positions. Again, they keep raising the frequency, and it starts to sound. Too many. A lot.

Cristina: A lot of things.

Jack: A lot of something.

Cristina: A lot of something.

Jack: A lot of something. Eventually, one of the scientists suggests that he needs to exit the project and does no longer want to be part of it. And it was actually the scientist who was working on the clarifying of the microphone sounds.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He just quits because he heard something horrifying, presumably, yes. He's just like, nah, good enough.

Cristina: It's not a bunch of bats flapping around or anything.

Jack: No. So a following scientist then gets on the. Gets on the job. I am the professional. I must do the duty that this other immature scientist could not have done. It must have been too difficult for them to handle or whatever they were telling themselves.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Until they, too, were like, nah, nah, I'm good. I'm very good.

Cristina: None of them were like, maybe this isn't right. I should do some more things to the sound.

Jack: I'm assuming they did those processes and were like, I'm done trying to figure this one out.

Cristina: Okay, okay, okay.

Jack: So after those two initial scientists quit on the Job. The audio gets moved up a couple of ranks and lands at some elite scientists, which then, as scientists go, they must be mature. They must report the findings as they are and not quit their job. They're used to weird things. So the initial report with all the findings had a line in it explaining what the audio most resembled, which a lot of the scientists agreed with and seemed to be shook by the ones who worked on the project. Of course, the. The initial line read, many screaming voices. Keep in mind, it's in Russian, this is a translation. But many screaming voices is what the scientists that this landed on. What was his name exactly? The scientist was called Boris Volkov. So it lands on the desk of Boris Volkov. And he, you know, he has. He's a professional. He's gonna go. Regardless of how ridiculous this might sound, he understands that this might just be some problem. But, you know, you gotta. Something's causing it. It's not supernatural. It couldn't be. Okay, then he just publishes that in the report for everybody else to kind of review.

Cristina: But did he actually hear it too?

Jack: Yes. He had access to all the files, all the data. This is all data for everybody on the base, all the scientists.

Cristina: He think it's screaming voices or he's the one who.

Jack: No, no, no. He's the one who wrote the line.

Cristina: That it sounds like.

Jack: It sounds like screaming voices. This is him trying to interpret what's going on.

Cristina: Oh, okay. But that doesn't mean he believes it is.

Jack: No, no, no. He believes something is happening that's causing sounds like. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he believes that's the case, that something is happening along those lines. It's just some sort of disturbance that's coming across in this fashion. But it's not really that they're screaming voices and there couldn't be. That doesn't make any sense. How would that even happen? Yeah, so these disturbances were recorded again even after the machinery is turned off, which then goes to say that Boris believes the equipment is recording. Rock is recording. Air pockets is recording. Moving magma is recording something that's then creating the sound as it gets filtered through the air and maybe just gets really disturbed on the way. So these screams, these alleged screams get reviewed by several audio engineers by several different tools. They attach different kinds of microphones, take them down to the bottom. They tried cameras. There was no camera that could withstand the heat, which then led to the next problem. They tried to visualize what was down there by sending the best, most resistant cameras, including cameras that were meant to handle the heats of the Area underground, which is expected to be about 212 degrees. The first camera they put down came back melted, but it was meant to withstand the heat. It was easily melted. They got nothing from it.

Cristina: It's weird, because how didn't the other things melt?

Jack: Well, the other things were made resistant, but they were much more resistant than the camera.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So they're like, okay, we need a better camera, and that one gets melted too. So then they send special equipment to measure the exact heat that's down there. Why? Why is every visual aid we're sending down to completely getting destroyed? Again, the temperature expected down there supposed to be about 212 degrees Fahrenheit on average. The.

Cristina: That's pretty ridiculous, though. But. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: The temperature that was being received by the thermometers, on the other hand, was over 350 degrees Fahrenheit.

Cristina: How?

Jack: That's over 150 degrees hotter than expected.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Now? The equipment they originally sent down there was the best of the best because they were struggling to even get through things. So they sent the most resistant things ever to make it that far down. Originally, they. They didn't encounter the heat problem until they tried to visualize what was down there. And then every visual aid they sent out to the point that it's like, we can't send anything to look down there because the heat's gonna destroy whatever it is. It's gonna create disturbance and literally melt whatever it is.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's no solution to it.

Jack: There's no solution to the problem. So it created a weird, baffling situation in which the scientists didn't really know where to proceed. There's nowhere deeper you could go because there doesn't seem to be anywhere to dig. We can't seem to see what's down there. There's an infinite amount of disturbance creating the sound that sounds like screams at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we can't refine the sound beyond the point and hear anything else. And because we can't put any other machine to receive any other data. We're caught between a rock and a hard place. There's nothing. There's nowhere else to go.

Cristina: No. So what do they do?

Jack: They decide, all right, the right way to go is to just dive deeper into the data. We're gonna send all the resistant technology we have and capture days, weeks, months, years of recording through the geo, through the micro, all of it. All of the above. We're gonna do anything and everything. Thermometers, different positions, aim in every direction, all the things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gonna gather A lot of data. We're gonna cross reference every bit of it and see if we can capture anything that we can determine is a thing. Okay, great, solid plan.

Cristina: It makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it makes perfect sense. Until that report stating those things like we're gonna do these things is the last report.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Don't know. Nobody knows. So the last report goes out and the team, the science team, all the engineers, all the scientists, everybody stayed there for two months though, but the reports completely stopped. Yes, interesting. So a bunch of scientists whose job it is to report and get funding to report, completely cut themselves off from the world, which means they even cut themselves out from their funding in order to continue doing what? Because they didn't report on anything they did for the next two months and there's nothing. At the end of those two months, the project just ends and they leave. Everybody dips. They don't, no follow up, no additional reports. Everything gets abandoned. They're just leaving mass. All 3,000 and something people just f****** dip. They're like, nah. Now a bunch of author, you know, this, this was a funded project and whatnot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there was a lot of questions, of course, to which out of every single individual there not f****** one wanted to talk about. There was a plethora of people, thousands of individual working on this project.

Cristina: But then they record anything like why did they have to interview these people? Don't they have the things?

Jack: Yes, they have all the information. Before that two month gap, but not.

Cristina: During those two months.

Jack: Nothing was recorded. Through that two months gap, nothing was, Nothing was reported. Okay, through that two month gap between the last report saying we need to just gather information, gather information. And when they left, there's nothing. It's just two months of nothing. Radio silence. And then everybody's like, we're leaving. And then they all go home. And then people question them and they're like, never talking about it. Leave me alone. People go into hiding. People go disappear. People leave Russia entirely. Because authorities like, well, you have data we need. What the f***?

Cristina: So where's the data though? Did they find the data?

Jack: Nobody has found anything for that two month period. Nothing exists for that two month period. Like, like they destroyed it themselves. No, there's nothing. For that two month period, nothing has ever been captured. In fact, to the point, to the point that a lot of people, you know, in the clear minded, weird making sense of it, say there wasn't anything recorded. The project literally stopped two months prior. And that two months period, nothing happened. Except when these people are questioned, their response isn't Nothing happened in that period. The response is, we're not talking about it.

Cristina: We're not talking.

Jack: We're not talking about it. That's way more suspicious than. We weren't there for those two months.

Cristina: Yeah, that is.

Jack: That's way more suspicious. Thousands of people left. Many. Almost half of them were like, we're leaving the country. It's like, okay, you're leaving your native country immediately after being on some science project that we have no data for.

Cristina: Mmm, that's messed up.

Jack: Something weird happened.

Cristina: Yes. And I'm guessing there's a lot of theories of many, many, many, what can be.

Jack: But so in an attempt to understand the origin of what took place or anything. In attempt to understand anything. Okay, a different team is built and sent to go and investigate the site.

Cristina: You know, how long after.

Jack: Must have been like 10 years later. And they go to investigate the site to find whatever. Because for years these people are being hunted and questioned and anything. And nothing. Nothing, nothing. Nobody. Nobody wants to do anything. Nobody wants to do anything at all. And so a team gets put together by an organization that wants data. You know, it's our data. You guys owe us the data. And the team goes. And they arrive at the site to find all four holes are special sealed.

Cristina: They close up the holes.

Jack: They close up the holes. Layers of closing it up. There was crap thrown into them. They were filled up as much as possible. There were something thrown midway through the hole so that it would resist whatever's being thrown on top, like cement and concrete and s*** to seal it up. And then it was still. And then a lid was put over every single one on top of that so that when they drilled through the lid of two of them, they notice it's just nothing but sealed straight through. And when they tried to drill a little, it's like, no, this is like, it's impossible.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's like if it was never dug before, we got to start the whole project all over just to find out what happened down there in the first place. We'd have to crap however long it took to drill. Drill. We're doing this all over again if we wanted to find out, do they?

Cristina: Or is it impossible?

Jack: Pointless. But again, what the f***?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, this is just strange. You guys dipped. You guys sealed the h*** out of this. You told nobody and you reported on nothing. Okay, we lost the data. Scientists all quit. They took every fine given to them for erasing data, whatever the crap, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They happily accepted everything and never said a single word. Nobody did. No One just let millions of dollars in fines people sent into ruin and they still shut the f*** up the entire way.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: Yeah. They're like totally, totally fine. I am okay with you making me, my family and my entire lineage dirt poor. I'm not telling you what happened.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: An investigative team is then made. We're gonna capture whatever data did make it out. We're gonna hoard all of it. There's no data. Whatever crap we can find related to this stupid f****** hole, we're putting it all together. It doesn't matter how much because they.

Cristina: Can'T investigate the holes.

Jack: Yeah. It's impossible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What did they buy following the launch of this investigation to find out this is now like 15 years later. They find out that just after the team left, this is data gathered. Is information gathered. Just after the team left, there was again, there was the two month gap of nothing. But they were there. Everybody was there. And then everybody left. The lead scientists, Boris Volkov and the field manager, which was an Anya Navikov, both committed suicide or alleged. Oh yeah, whatever suicide is. I mean, what, A demon came and like killed them? No, whatever. So they, they killed themselves. They probably did it. Like really. So the two people who had the highest grade of knowledge about the information because they would get the data from every branch on the site. Everybody.

Cristina: They weren't on the site themselves.

Jack: They were on the site themselves.

Cristina: They were?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were both the highest two ranking individuals on the site and both the two highest individuals on the site committed suicide.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: After the two month period with dead silence and no reports, they all went home. Everybody, all the people on site and then these two head scientists. Both the head scientists committed suicide. No other scientists contacted by these two individuals or nothing. Nobody knew that that even happened.

Cristina: Okay. Except. But. Okay, so then what else did they find out? They found. They did find something though.

Jack: All the data that we already knew. The sounds that couldn't be clarified because they refused to get more data or they got more data that we just don't have access to, or they destroyed all the data they got. Something happened.

Cristina: So we can't hear these sounds ourselves.

Jack: We can and it just sounds like screams, but it's. It's not. We don't have an explanation. There's no, we don't have any of the follow up from those two months.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we only have up and up until it sounds like screams, then radio silence, then everybody leaves. And then two people commit suicide in that order.

Cristina: And that's the end of that story. There has to be more. What? There's gotta be more. What happened? Demons? Aliens? Alien demons. Lizard people.

Jack: Well, it's complicated. That's crazy, right? Because these people got this information and they're on this test site and they are running these experiments and they get something that scares them or confuse it breaks. Well, it scares some of them. But the real true, like we've experienced weird things before. Scientists are on board like whatever weird things happen sometimes and then we figure it out. But then they. These two individuals must be the individuals who plunged the site into dark. No report goes out. It had to be their call.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: Nobody else has the power to do that. We're talking about the person who manages everything on site and the scientists that all the data goes through.

Cristina: So the field manager holes and then kill themselves.

Jack: Yeah. They get people to plug up the holes, everybody to go home and talk about nothing. And then they off the two on top off themselves. Now, whatever the case might be, these two individuals tell everybody no data goes out and everybody agrees problem. You're all scientists. You know this is not the way to do it. Yeah, you're supposed to share it. Regards of weird. It is because you need somebody else to get this information and replicate it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why not let anything out? How do you get this many people to agree to this? They were like 3,000 people working on this project. How do you get this many people to agree to say nothing?

Cristina: Because it's that horrifying.

Jack: And when you evacuate the site, why? Why? Almost half of you straight out say, I am just leaving the entire dirt patch that this s*** happened on. I'm just leaving this.

Cristina: It's gotta be creatures down there or something. Like it has to be something physical that they were afraid would come out of those holes.

Jack: It has to be something physical because.

Cristina: Like if you killed yourself, you left the country and then you kill yourself. Or if maybe these guys didn't leave the country and still kill themselves.

Jack: But it's like, yes, Boris and Anya died in Russia.

Cristina: Yeah. They were afraid of whatever is in that.

Jack: Then a bunch of other people completely left.

Cristina: Afraid of what's in that hole.

Jack: Afraid of what's in that hole.

Cristina: There's got to be something scary in that hole. I guess not just like ghosts or.

Jack: Yes, the world obviously can't cope with anything. And the little bits of information that have been released from this, obviously you hear screams. This led to a plethora of conspiracy theories and other dumb ideas that people have. You know, the whole went around Titled the. The H***. The H*** Hole or the Hole to H***. And the sounds. The recording was titled. And you probably saw this in like high school or something. The Voices of H***.

Cristina: I think I have seen videos of the Voices of H***.

Jack: I mean, videos doesn't exist. It's just probably like a YouTube. Yeah, you could hear the clip. The clip is real. Yeah, it's the video. There's no video.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But yeah, that video that circulated many years ago and randomly pops up again. People like, oh, my God, this hole has been discovered. That hole is old, bro. But those sounds that keep circulating, that's the finest data we have.

Cristina: But it's not the true data. Like, it's not.

Jack: Couldn't be.

Cristina: Yeah, it couldn't be.

Jack: There couldn't be humans underground screaming in pain. H*** could not exist below us. And we can prove it because there was the other three holes. When we go to a certain depth and we pull out, the ground collapses on itself. The ground naturally collapses on itself. It makes sense that this would happen because of the amount of pressure of tons and tons and tons and tons and tons. Trillions of tons of dirt crushing the dirt beneath it. So you move anything, Bloom collapses. There couldn't be h*** underneath us. The theories don't make sense. And then there's a void down there somehow. If h*** were to be anywhere, it'd be a f****** void underground. Makes sense. It's also absorbently hot. Hotter than anything was melting the equipment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In this void. Oh, I guess that's a detail I forgot. Inside the void spinning, nothing touches nothing. You can lower the drill without spitting it at the lowest tip. The full extent, maxing out how far we can push the drill. The tip of the drill melted. It melted the geophone and melted the microphone, and it melted the tip of the drill. So at some point they hit a depth so hot that it melted the hottest equipment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. So it was like a limit how far down they could go.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Before nothing can make it. Now they should, in theory, stay there and study this. Which they do. You don't stay out of site for two months. A bunch of half engineers, half scientists doing re. I guess they're all scientists, half engineers, half researchers running this series of tests and then have no data to show for it. Everybody agreed. Maybe right before they left. Although they didn't report back. There was a. All these reports happened weekly until this two month period. And then there's none for eight months. For eight weeks. No report for eight weeks. And then they leave. There was a weekly report without Exception for years and years and years and years. And then there's eight weeks of no report. Everybody's still there because we know this, because everybody leaves.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. Because if it was that scary, I guess like whatever they found at first they didn't really believe. And it took two weeks to really believe that what it was two months. Well, two months. But you're saying eight weeks. Oh, eight weeks. Okay. Why would it take so long? Unless that whole time they were just cleaning up their. What they've been working on.

Jack: Interesting. Maybe there was. Oh, wow. Maybe there was more data. Not that they captured data in those two months, but all the data that they did not report in. Yeah, those two months was your time to get rid of it.

Cristina: Yeah. Interesting. They don't want whatever is down there, but I don't know, why keep it a secret?

Jack: Why keep it a secret? No, the. I think the theory that they were gathering information in those two months is real. And some part of this, like at some point they did get enough. Let's say, hypothetically they do the first month of just collecting and they're refining all that information. We're getting all the sounds, all the vibrations possible, mixing all of it and getting the clearest possible visual, not literally, but visual of what's happening. About a month in, they get the clearest image so far. And they don't like that.

Cristina: Yes, this horrifying creature that probably lives down their creatures something for sure.

Jack: And then they say get rid of everything. We can't have anybody curious about what's happening here. Nobody can want to investigate because whatever the f*** is down there has to stay down there. We have to erase everything. If anybody goes back down there, we're all f***** forever. Yes, that must be the conclusion for just over 3,000 people to bail together all everybody and not talk about it. It must be so horrible.

Cristina: The rest of us, like even if, like suppose that there was really creatures down there that surviving down there or.

Jack: Whatever, like science would say somebody is gonna say something.

Cristina: They can't come up here though. They can't survive up here.

Jack: Who says?

Cristina: If they're living down where it's super duper hot, like that's their environment. They're the lava creatures you're talking about. Like you can't take a lava creature out of the lava.

Jack: Yeah, but let's assume it can come out. Why would we assume it couldn't? Look at it like this. We can find something like a. What is it, a water elephant? I think that's what it's called a water elephant or some s*** like that. The tiny, microscopic creature that is a mammal. And it could literally survive in the vacuum of space. And we could take it to the hottest places we've ever experienced. Actually, we don't have to take it anywhere. Everywhere we go, we have seen this creature surviving. Surviving. It doesn't matter how hot, how cold. There is no air in space. And we have found this f***** out there.

Jack: It's just everywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Meaning there's things we know factually could exist in the hottest climate hotter than that s***, that can just survive equal just as equally in the frostiest of places.

Cristina: Wouldn't they have to experiment to know that that's a thing about these specific creatures?

Jack: Well, we wouldn't know that that's a thing about the specific creatures. I'm directly responding to the fact you said they couldn't come out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Well, they don't know that in either direction. To just make the blanket assumption no would be against the logic of science. We know there's creatures that can. So they couldn't just be like, well, they're down there. They exist in the super hot depth. They couldn't come up. Let's not plug the hole up. Like, no, that doesn't make sense. Because we know things that can survive both. And if it was horrifying enough that we're scared of it down there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then like, let's not assume. Let's just assume this works like the water bear. And just like it's. If it could survive down there, I don't want to find out if it could survive out here. But then what could it be?

Cristina: What could it be?

Jack: That's the question. What happened in those two months? Why did Boris and Anya commit suicide? Why did half of all the workers on this project, a combo of engineers and researchers, completely abandoned? Not just ship. Well, everybody abandoned ship. But these people abandoned country.

Cristina: Like, did they also commit suicide?

Jack: No. No, no, no. Well, I don't know. Two people committed suicide. I guess the only two notable people that mattered committed suicide.

Cristina: Okay. Because it would be. Because if they just left, that means they probably just think it's there.

Jack: Exactly. Which brings up the interesting question of why did a bunch of people leave the country, but the two most senior, most informed commit suicide? They would know better. They were the oldest ones. They were in charge of the most. They would get information from every department on every site, every part of this that would go through them. Those are the only two people to kill themselves, as far as I know. So they didn't think it was just there, if that's the argument we're making. They thought, oh, no, there's no getting away.

Cristina: There's no getting away, huh? I don't know. Because they plug the holes and there's no way anyone's ever gonna do that again.

Jack: I mean, they plug the holes and then they kill themselves. That's hella steps. And you do one or the other. Plug the hole. Okay, I don't gotta kill myself. It's done. Or you kill yourself because we couldn't plug the hole.

Cristina: Or it was just that scarring. Whatever it was, was so scarring they had to kill themselves. Like whether they thought it was ever gonna come out or not or whatever.

Jack: Maybe there's nothing to come out then what could have been done there? There's nothing to come out. There's not a creature. But something down there was so impressionable that everybody quit. Everybody quit? What? Everybody quit? How? Why? What? What, what other event in his all of history did you get everybody to quit? Everybody? Are you kidding me?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Scientists whose job it is to talk about endlessly whatever the h*** they found, however weird it is. They were like, nah, we're all done. All of us. All the researchers, which should be the most fascinated by this. Yeah, all the engineers. This should be the most curious about figuring out what the problem is.

Cristina: Someone wrote in their diary before they. And someone's gonna find after they're dead or something.

Jack: Like everybody's alive. Most of these people. Well, no, it was a while ago. A bunch of just died of old age. But a bunch of these people are still alive and nobody has said crap.

Cristina: But we should find stuff though, that they've written eventually.

Jack: Someone was total and complete agreement not to say anything. Not even writing. No, nothing. Nobody ever mentions this in any context ever again.

Cristina: That seems so impossible.

Jack: Yes, but how was this in the 70s? And we're still not. We've not gotten anything beyond 89 and.

Cristina: We'Ll never try again.

Jack: No people have tried again following 89, there was 10 years. And then after failing to do all this, after failing to do all this, they really got a whole team to go and investigate it, go and explore the site, which is how they found it was plugged up to this degree.

Cristina: Why couldn't they just make another hole there?

Jack: They would have to restart the entire project. And you'd need to send the same number of people all over again to run this facility. And you still risk all of them doing the same s*** all over again. Just. You just threw funding away Two times in a row you risk the entire project playing out exactly the same way. After you relaunched it, it was already a. What is it started? 70. It was a 20 year project to begin with. So you got. You're gonna sink 20 years worth of funding all over again. With the potential that you get the same results and never find out. S***. Of course they didn't restart it. Of course didn't go Drilligan. There's a huge waste of finances for zero f****** turnaround.

Cristina: What if they did it somewhere else though? Because we still don't know.

Jack: It's been happening many times in many places.

Cristina: Many places, yes.

Jack: United States has one, China has one. There's huge deep hole digging projects that have always existed and continue to exist today.

Cristina: Okay, but nothing as weird as what happened in Russia.

Jack: No, this is one one off time.

Cristina: That's why it makes it also like maybe it is only in Russia. Whatever this thing is.

Jack: A bunch of people left.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Almost half left the country.

Cristina: Yes. And these holes are everywhere. But it's only Russia's hole that's being kind of weird.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So I don't know.

Jack: It's only Russia's hole. And we have again many projects just like this. It's a thing we do to explore underneath the ground. But only in Russia, right in the border of Russia and Norway, do we have a situation which everybody evacuated after two months of complete darkness and no report being fed back. And then all the data that was gathered within that time totally ceasing to exist, presumably having been destroyed by the same people who recorded it prior to them completely abandoning ship and talking nothing about it and two of them immediately killing themselves. Holy s***.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: What Is it the weirdest thing that's happened?

Cristina: Yeah, that's the weirdest thing that's happened. Probably not the weirdest.

Jack: It's pretty weird. It's up there.

Cristina: It's up there.

Jack: But it's just a weird thing that happened to one time.

Cristina: Yeah, man. They'll never do it again. Or at least not there.

Jack: The Cola Superdeep borehole. It's in a bunch of places already. It's just nothing like this has happened before. And nobody's willing to waste the money to do this again. Because what if it happens again? And then if it does happen again, are you then responsible for whoever does commit suicide following that? Because it already happened once. And if you send people and it happens again, well, you know what would happen now? You're going to jail for putting people in that situation. There's so much crap happening there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That it's like there's no motivation to ever do this again. But what the h*** happened to people.

Cristina: Who are brave enough, who hear this story and it's like.

Jack: Yeah, no, there's. Yeah, you're totally right. There's enough people to create a real Gotham City of villains that swear I'm the guy who's going to stop Batman. After seeing Batman off like 90% of his homies.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Like I'm the one. The bat's gonna have a hard time when he comes across me. Some average henchman. It's like, what?

Cristina: Yeah, dude, it totally makes sense. Especially in Russia with all those like, everybody's Machisto.

Jack: Yeah, in Soviet Russia, Batman gets f***** by me.

Cristina: Exactly. So that would.

Jack: And it was literally Soviet Russia. It was the Soviet Union's experiment. Well, that's the. I think out of all the things we've discussed, we've. Overlooking the fact that they're Russian. You scared a bunch of Russians into fully just evacuating and then abandoning their own country and then never talking about it from how shook they were. What?

Cristina: Yes, that's pretty cool.

Jack: But what the h*** did they see? You think a Russian sees anything? And it's like, I'm a fist fighter.

Cristina: There's gotta be someone who's gonna be like, yeah, we can do this.

Jack: Here's the thing. I guess it makes more sense that they wouldn't talk about it because I am no b****.

Cristina: Because if you talk about it, you sound like it.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. I didn't see s***. I didn't see s***. I saw nothing. I wasn't even there. No, you were there. I say I wasn't.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: So that's the cola. Super deep borehole. Told you. Nothing special. I had nothing to report. There's really nothing going on because there's never been anything confirmed. It's just a f****** hole. As far as we know. Wanted to know what was special. Couldn't tell you. I have zero answers to that question. It's a whole. Like I said, in between. Russia, Norway.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just a hole in between. Russian, Norway. That's part of an experiment that we were running one day.

Cristina: Time for numbers to some other plane of existence. Maybe. Who knows?

Jack: Who knows, man? That'd be crazy. Can you imagine?

Cristina: We can imagine anything. It's ridiculous.

Jack: Anything could be down there. Yeah, anything. It could literally be anything. We have zero knowledge. All we know is that it for a fact cannot be a bunch of people screaming because the pressure alone would have murdered all of them.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't Think it's people screaming.

Jack: But something weird's going on.

Cristina: Yes, definitely.

Jack: Definitely. My strongest argument is yours, which is maybe there were creatures out there. What we were hearing wasn't human screaming, but some screech of something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there was a lot of it. It immediately makes me think of the film Pitch Black with Vin Diesel.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's like, there's a weird other thing. Now. This was an Alien movie, but let's assume some s***. In fact, there's a movie just like this. There's a bunch of cave divers.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they come across some weird s*** in the caves. Thing doesn't come out, but it's definitely f****** down there.

Cristina: And it kills everyone.

Jack: Kills everybody. So, yeah, something like that, maybe.

Cristina: Yeah, probably.

Jack: You know, what the f*** is that movie based on? Who knows? Yeah, exactly. Like, there's. There was something scary enough that it felt real as well. There's something real and scary, or at least scary. And we couldn't confirm it wasn't real. That's the fact of the matter. We couldn't write it off and say, this is clearly the disturbance that's making it seem this way. Nobody could do that. Out of over 3,000 people there, not one person had that statement and an ending to the sentence of, it could be this. Nobody had that. And that made everybody be like, the fact that we can't say, it could be this f****** problem. I'm out.

Cristina: That's. Yeah, man.

Jack: There's a lot of scientists here. There's many of us. One of us has a theory. Nah, I'm out. Not one of us has a theory. No, I'm not. This. I'm not doing this. I am not staying here. Nobody has a theory. You're kidding me. We are all the best of the best. None of us has a theory. I'm out, dude. Not happening. It sounds horrible. And nobody has a theory. I'm going home.

Cristina: That is pretty horrifying. That's pretty horrifying. I don't know. Yeah, whatever is in there.

Jack: You're the best scientist that has ever existed. All of you are together. Every best scientist in the world was just put in one location. All the best in your whole country brought together. You hear something really weird. You're like, well, I don't know what it is, but we're a team of experts out here. And then the second guy comes and does the same thing, and he's like, I don't know. And the third guy comes and does the same thing. He's like, I don't know. And you starting to get, you know, give weird looks like. I know I'm not the expert here because I couldn't figure it out, but shouldn't we have an expert here? But that guy was the sound guy and he said he has no idea. This guy's the. This guy's a geophone guy. And he's like, he has no idea. That kid's whole job is just to find out what sounds are, and he has no idea. I am done. I don't want to talk about it.

Cristina: Because they had an idea. They had to.

Jack: They had to. Right? And it was scary.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they. If they. No, fair enough. That makes sense. Because if they don't know, they will keep looking.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That is science. Because you're like, we can write this off somehow. In any case, you're totally right. It's not that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Yes. It's not that they couldn't get an answer. It's not that. Everybody's like, I don't know. Because you just keep looking until you do know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Is that somebody did know. And then everybody else is like, oh, f***, no, that checks out. And then they were like, okay, everybody agrees this is what we think is happening. And everybody's. Yeah.

Cristina: It's like had to agree.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Then there would be someone talking if they were like, meh, this doesn't make sense.

Jack: Well, no. As scientists, if somebody has a theory, everybody work. If this is the only theory we have, everybody's gonna prove it. We're all gonna try to disprove the theory. And if we can't. F***.

Cristina: Which they couldn't.

Jack: Which they couldn't. So somebody gave a theory. They jumped on trying to disprove the theory. They failed at disproving the theory and unanimously agreed it is what the theory was. And we're never gonna mention that to anybody. We're gonna plug up the holes and get the f*** out. Destroy everything. Throw everything into the f****** hole.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then plug the hole. And then we leave.

Cristina: Yes. Make sure they. Whatever. Can't come out and we can't go in.

Jack: Yes. Make sure nobody goes down there and make sure nothing ever comes out of there.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Two way plug.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the data in, all the. Plug in, all the. Nothing out, nothing out, nothing back in. Done.

Cristina: Man. Man, that's lame.

Jack: They go, the cola supermassive, super massive. The cola super deep bore borehole.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Yep. That's all I got for you. A boring hole with no information about what the f*** happened there. That was just a science experiment. I told you at the beginning. I Told you the beginning. It's just a hole in between. Russia, Norway.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That was done as a experiment to see how deep we can go. And that's it. Nothing else could be said.

Cristina: Do people that hear that voice, the. The video that is out there, that's what people think is actually down there, though.

Jack: Yeah. But we don't have anything else to go on.

Cristina: That's not the whole story.

Jack: No, they don't know what the whole story is.

Cristina: Okay. Wow.

Jack: Yep. So, yeah, now you learned about an interesting science or I guess an uninteresting science experiment in which we were like, let's dig a deep hole and then we dig a deep hole. And they were like, cool, Mission accomplished. Then we all go home.

Cristina: Go home.

Jack: Never talk about we did it. Time to go home and do another project.

Jack: There you go. The cola. Super deep or hole? We. We said we're gonna dig a deep hole, then we dig a deep hole. We high five each other and go home.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Yes. So, yeah, that's. That's all I got for you. Anyways, so we've never really talked about this borehole before, but I'm sure we're gonna investigate this further to some degree. But on the other side, there's a bunch of interesting crap that we've discussed on the show. And if you want to find little clips and check of that stuff and.

Cristina: Get in contact with anything as horrifying as this.

Jack: Oh yeah, any story you got, any information on this freaking hole you guys have would be great too. So anything. It's just scientists who type this every day since it happened. Because you're like, oh, what does anybody know? I gotta expunge all the data off the Internet. And you like stumble upon the thing because it is probably going to be titled this anyways. And you find it, tell us your story. Finally open to us this super important program and tell us so that we can share with the world what really happened there. And I guess if you. If it's such a thing. Right. Send us the data that you clearly took with you home. Anyways, all this information, little clips and junk and you can contact us all at junk at Facebook, Twitter and Instagram, ustconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And in the review, send us a Diglett. If you can find a Diglett. You know what it. If you don't know what Pokemon is, go just type in Diglett and find the thingy. Or just find a worm. Send us the worm because holes. There you go. Send Us a worm, because hole is a worm emoji. Or send us the word hole. The end. Just type in hole. And what does it say? It's like when you spell out pizza in the comment section, like you're awesome or something. You won life or whatever without somebody interrupting. So you can dispel a hole in your own review because nobody can interrupt your review. And boom, you win.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You win the game.

Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes. And tell them about the hole.

Cristina: Tell them about the hole. We gotta investigate this hole. Let's make a new team.

Jack: The hole to the middle.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not allowed to go farther. They're not allowed to venture to other sides surrounding they. We're not allowed to be over any part. Well, not us, but people. Humans aren't allowed to be any part of the planet that is outside the circle. The Arctic Wall, okay?

Cristina: And everything in the Arctic Wall is.

Jack: What we call Earth.

Cristina: What we call Earth. Okay?

Jack: Everything inside the Arctic Wall is what we call Earth.

Cristina: And when we're looking at globes, we're just looking at what's in the Arctic Wall.

Jack: Yes. We're seeing the entire Arctic Wall made round as though. I mean, everything inside the Arctic Wall made round as though it existed on a globe. Now, the plan. Globe.

Cristina: But it's a huge globe.

Jack: Yes. If you were to assume, for example, the. If. If a globe. Right. If a globe is to scale, then you would say. Let's say you see Puerto Rico on a map. Right. On a globe. You see Puerto Rico on a globe, and you zoom into Puerto Rico and you draw a circle around Puerto Rico. And now you erase everything else on the oceans and around Puerto Rico. You create a circle, you color the circle white, and then everything you took out of the rest of the globe you shrink to the size of Puerto Rico on this current existing globe.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So all the continents we're familiar with, all the countries we're familiar with, you shrink them all so that they fit inside the circle we made around Puerto Rico, okay? And now you back up from that circle, from that circle, and you're gonna see the size of Earth.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: And how small our region that we call Earth is on Earth.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

October 08, 2022

Rambling 195: Volcano Diving

October 08, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

What is a volcano? Where is a volcano? Who is a volcano? The duo unpack to Volcano or not to Volcano after last week’s episode posed the question of whether volcano diving could be a thing. But the can of worms opened in this investigation is astoundingly new and absurdly familiar, leading to a conclusion no one could have imagined!

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Topics Discussed:

Volcano Diving
Cherufe Volcano Monster
Virgin Sacrifice
Magma Flamingos
Steam Iguanas
How do Volcanoes Work?
Earth’s Skin and Heart
Magma Chamber
Shapeshifters
Volcanic Eco System

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: Now, Christina, your other. The host, Christina, listen to me. Last week on Dragon Ball Z, we were talking about the possibility of a person volcano diving. Because they dropped something in a volcano.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. So I thought it was really interesting and I wanted to know what the possibilities of that were. The possibility of just going inside of a volcano and not dying.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So in doing so, you know, got the team together and we were like, what do we know about volcanoes?

Cristina: They're hot.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, they're definitely hot. But somebody raises their hand and says, well, we can ask the creature we got from there.

Cristina: Getting creature from there.

Jack: Yeah. I don't even remember this ever happening. But there's other. Apparently. I mean, yes, obviously there's other quests and s*** that happen that we're not really like, touching. So there's other crap that has like, it. You gotta understand, to listeners, it sounds like we are exclusively the only ones do it. But no, not really. We're two of quite a few Pokemon trainers.

Cristina: I don't know, like, we're just catching them all.

Jack: No. People who work for in this line of business and are the types of people that we are.

Cristina: We're not enslaving all these creatures though, right? We're.

Jack: We don't. Would require us to give them jobs that they aren't getting paid for.

Cristina: Are they getting paid?

Jack: No. Why would we be paying them? We also don't have. They're not doing labor for what?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: These creatures were testing and experimenting on figuring out what the h*** they are. That is the old. What would we pay them for?

Cristina: We're testing them. We're doing experiments on them.

Jack: Yes. Not like school tests. Can you read?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like experiments. Yes. They're just creatures. It's like a dog or some s***.

Cristina: If you were to test against their will, though.

Jack: If. Okay, presumably, I guess. But like, let's say you're gonna run an experiment about cancer and you caught a rat and you're gonna use the chemicals you got on the rat. Did you get the rat's permission?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Then what is the problem? What am I missing?

Cristina: Some of these creatures aren't like rats. They're equal to like us, aren't they?

Jack: Right. And this creature is.

Cristina: Which creature?

Jack: The creature. I've not even mentioned. Which is how the point is here. Exactly.

Cristina: Well, I'm just talking about the creatures because you said we have. We talk to many creatures. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And so we have this creature to communicate with about things that are happening.

Cristina: What's the creature?

Jack: Well, the creature I will get to is a creature that lives in a volcano or used to live in a volcano, which is the point I'm ultimately trying to make. That we have information about what happens inside of a volcano was what I was ultimately trying to circle back to. And that kind of serves the idea. So I didn't really know we had a creature that lived in a volcano. So I kind of immediately stopped giving a s*** about my original plan, which was to find out about the possibilities of living inside of a volcano. Because question answered, yes, things live inside of a volcano.

Cristina: Many things. Does this creature know of other creatures, or is this like one of a race of creatures?

Jack: There's different types of things living on volcanoes, but there's essentially this one creature is called a Sharuf or a. It's a Sharuf, I guess. And so it's. It's kind of like if you were to play Legend of Zelda and you were to go to Death Mountain and there's like, rock people.

Cristina: It's a rock person.

Jack: Well, I said it's kind of like, because it's also a glass person, it's made out of magma rock and, like, glass and stuff, which is all the stuff that exists in a volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so this creature is made out of that stuff. And I was like, okay, so it's weird that we've not talked about this before. I know. We don't get told everything that happens. Like, what would be the point, right? We just do our jobs, they do their jobs, whatever. But, like, that's interesting. And I didn't know about the thing, so we got this thing, and it's just made out of it leaves. It lives in the water part, like the pool. Like the literal lava section of the volcano.

Cristina: In the lava.

Jack: In the lava. Like it. Not in it, but like, it walks. It's. It could swim in it.

Cristina: And what part of the world is this thing from?

Jack: Any volcano.

Cristina: Any volcano.

Jack: It's a volcano creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just exist in volcanoes.

Cristina: But what people spread this story of this creature that they know about.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Where did this story come from? This creature.

Jack: This didn't come from the store. This creation come from a story. This creature just. We have it in one of our facilities. And I found out when I Was asking about it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so we just got this thing sitting there, and it's from the inside of a volcano. I don't. What group of people shared stories of them? I'm sure that, like, there's different, definitely weird things that have happened. For example, it used to scare people in ancient times. And then we've actually sort of talked about this creature in the past without even knowing, because we have heard stories, but the stories aren't necessarily tied to any specific culture over these stories. Well, we're very familiar with the people who take virgins to the mouth of a volcano and throw them in. And that's because that's kind of the only way to stop this creature from leaving the f****** volcano and coming and killing everybody in the town. Because it eats flesh. But if you give it this really potent virgin flesh, it's good for a while.

Cristina: What? That's how it works. Yeah.

Jack: So that actually explains how we had the whole, you know, toss a virgin in there to please the God thing. It's too totally not a God. It's just not a s*** that lives in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is a monster of some sort.

Cristina: But they're treating it as a God.

Jack: They didn't know what the f*** it was back then. Now we know, and we just easily captured to the point that it was like some afterthought we never heard about.

Cristina: Does the version have to be a woman? Can it be an animal?

Jack: I haven't the slightest clue.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: I just know that that's kind of where this originally came from. It's. It's also. It's weird. But also there are stories, quote stories of the Sharuf. The Sharuf. And that it creates ardent stones in the volcano, which are what magicians essentially use. You know, the stones you would essentially put the runes on.

Cristina: It makes those.

Jack: It makes stones.

Cristina: Yeah, it makes art and stones. Like, people have found ardent stones. Huh?

Jack: Ardent stones, the ones you would put the runes on.

Cristina: Runes?

Jack: Runes, magical symbols that do power and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You would put these runes on top of the ardent stones and. Oh, well, that's where they get magic. So this is how it goes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The rune doesn't have power, It's a symbol. The rock has power. It has energy. The rune controls the power inside the rock.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Where did the people get the runes?

Jack: I. They made them up.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Or space told them. I don't know. How do people come up with stuff? How did magicians come up with the runes that they use magic for? I don't know. They Tested stuff, I guess, like drew things here and there.

Cristina: I thought you said art in stone though, like no art.

Jack: Yeah, but yeah, yeah. So it's, it's magical.

Cristina: Mm. The creature is magical though.

Jack: Well, the creature isn't necessarily magical as much as it is some crazy like thing that eats people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Again, it's, it's just a creature. Yeah, it's not like some interdimensional thing. It's not a fairy by any means. Didn't come from the shadow realm or anything. It's just like a thing that lives on Earth. That lives on Earth inside the volcano.

Cristina: Not a shadow creature at all.

Jack: Not a shadow creature, just one of those weird things that's here. And it's also not like a chimera.

Cristina: It's not a camera. What does it look like an animal though?

Jack: It looks humanoid. It looks like a, like a humanoid series of rocks and lava and glass. Like put together. An easier way to think about it would be imagine if you made a entire human body out of nothing but lava and then you took a bunch of rock and glass and coated the outer layer of that lava with these rock and glass. And now you have what looks like a bunch of rock and glass moving around with glowing magma between the cracks.

Cristina: That's horrifying.

Jack: So yeah, this is basically what the creature is.

Cristina: Well, it, that is a scary looking creature.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, that's a f****** nuts creature. But what's interesting about the Sharuf is that it's not the only creature living where it lives. And it so, so much, so much stranger than the fact that it's not the only creature that lives where it lives is that the other creatures that live where it lives are absolutely just boring degrees of normal creature.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Normal animal looking or animal behaving creatures.

Jack: It's not even like animal looking or animal behaving, you know, it's literally animals. Real animals, just real animals. For example, there is a flamingo. A flamingo that just chills sometimes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In, around. It's weird. It hangs out in the hottest parts because its skin is absolutely so tough. No way, I swear to you. And so this flamingo is well known for just kind of chilling in volcanoes.

Cristina: We're looking at real flamingos.

Jack: Yeah, flamingos that chill in extremely hot conditions. They, their ridiculously tough skin can hang out in the water that's essentially boiling other crap alive.

Cristina: What, what do they do there?

Jack: They live there. They eat the plants that survive there, the little critters that survive there and all that kind of crap.

Cristina: There are more Than so there's plants that survive.

Jack: I mean everybody knows that there's in magma areas. There's conditions that allow for certain things to come to life.

Cristina: I was not expecting flamingos.

Jack: Yeah. Like I said, it's absolutely weird. It's weirder that they're this normal.

Cristina: That is ridiculously normal. And they're hanging out with this other creature.

Jack: Yes, well, this other creature is literally inside the lava that would melt all of this other.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like these are just in proximity to the creature.

Cristina: They're never going inside that volcano or anything.

Jack: They can chill kind of in the volcano without going to the lava. Because a lot of these birds just hang out on the rim. Weird.

Cristina: That is so.

Jack: But they're fine. They can handle the heat. It doesn't bother them in the slightest way. What?

Cristina: Wow. But they.

Jack: Look, man, they're just flamingos.

Cristina: They're just flamingos. Yeah.

Jack: But flamingos in general what. Tend to have tough skin and these flamingos have extra tough skin that allows them to survive those conditions.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But weird that these. I mean, I guess it's not weird because one of the other creatures is an iguana.

Cristina: That doesn't sound as weird.

Jack: Yeah. When you think about it. Because the iguana actually needs to fight. Well, here's a problem. They're cold blooded and they need the heat.

Cristina: Mm. How's that a problem?

Jack: Well, it's not necessarily a problem. I'm sending cold blooded and they need the heat. That makes them more normal.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To be in a really hot place.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That makes. That's not crazy.

Jack: It's like all the lizards that live in the desert.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Except this one lives in the desert where there's moisture. So it has both the really hot and the water.

Cristina: But it also hangs out around volcanoes.

Jack: Yeah, this is basically hanging out in a volcano. It hangs out in, in and around the volcano in all the areas that aren't so hot that would bake to death this. Essentially all these creatures would hang out in all these areas that are so hot to kill everything else but not kill them.

Cristina: That is so crazy. The flamingo is still very shocking.

Jack: Well, that's nowhere near as shocking as the weirdest one. Because at least it's a bird. It's a bird. Birds go weird places. Birds go up, up, you know, volcanoes, mountains. Volcanoes are mountains.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: With a whole. Well, not really. But we see them that way.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: You know, and animals see them that way too because it's an uphill that you can avoid. Crap.

Cristina: So what is this? So this Third thing is way more weirder than a flamingo.

Jack: It's a finch.

Cristina: Finch. That's a bird too, isn't it?

Jack: This particular bird, I don't even know how to begin to explain it.

Cristina: Okay, why from all the photos you can pick up this bird, you chose the scariest one.

Jack: It's not the scariest, and I will explain why. Okay, so this ground finch, they have evolved a particular set of characteristics. You could say that in order to supplement their diet, that they would usually get from like a cacti, nectar and pulp and, you know, normal bird stuff. Yeah, yeah. Other birds, eggs and junk like that. In order to supplement that. Because they don't normally find as much stuff up there. They find plants and crap, but they're not getting the exact plants they want because the cactus is going to survive. There's too much moisture. You know, they have developed the ability to pull the nutrients out of blood, so they have become vampiric and kill creatures.

Cristina: I was thinking when I looked at this photo, is it vamp?

Jack: Yeah, it's called the vampire ground finch.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And it just chases the blood.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah. Which then makes way more sense how the f****** demon that's down there basically lives there because, yeah, there's s*** literally begging for blood. Here's what's interesting about this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Why the f*** doesn't this creature turn? And I think it has to do with the fact that in their environment it's normal to die and be attacked. Like the adrenaline they feel when they're dying isn't creating enough to create adrenochrome.

Cristina: You're talking about the bird itself.

Jack: Bird being vampiric. It's killing crap that isn't fearing the way it should fear in order to create adrenochrome that then turns opposite to the wolves drinking the blood of the fallen soldiers who suck were horrified when they were dying.

Cristina: Yeah, or the clouds.

Jack: Yes, exactly. In the case of the bird. Birds attacking other birds, and these birds aren't producing enough adrenaline to then create adrenochrome in the first place. So these birds stay birds and nothing changes.

Cristina: Are you sure? Because it looks so disturbing.

Jack: Well, the question would be. And. And think about this real hard. This is. This is my theory, and this is a. If this theory turns out to be true, then we know significantly less than we thought about adrenochrome and the effects it has on bodies. The theory goes the bird does in fact get the adrenochrome from the bodies of these, but rarely. Once in a blue, there's enough concentration, that works as adrenochrome. And these vampire ground finch then go through the transformation that turns him into a sharif.

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: The creature in the volcano.

Cristina: In the volcano is the rare case.

Jack: In which a finch does get the adrenochrome from the blood and goes through a transformation. But then it requires what? It requires more. From who? The people who'd be the most scared. Yeah, the young people, usually females, are more scared because we program that into society. You are weak and fragile and so you feel the most fear. So it makes more sense. The younger and the more female you are, the more adrenal chrome you produce because you have more adrenaline because of the fear in your body.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So then you throw that into the thing, you calm the creature down, it can feed on that for a while. But it came from potentially a bird.

Cristina: That's possible because the creature doesn't have to look like the original creature.

Jack: No, it does not.

Cristina: Does not. And they get smarter with adrenochrome. Right, like this thing. What?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I wish there was some clue though that it was related somehow.

Jack: They seem so astoundingly unrelated.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. Except for that there's the blood, I guess.

Jack: Yes, exactly. So it's a weird place to be in that. There is a bird that's potentially this rock monster.

Cristina: Whaat?

Jack: This is another way to think about it. Look at how I describe the Sharuf looking. If you were to put magma in the middle and surround it with glass and rock, you get the Sharuf. Now here's what's weird about this. If it is the case, this isn't a bird by any means, it came from a bird. Meaning adrenochrome allows the transformation to take place with things surrounding you, or at least adapting so roughly to the environment that you're in that you can resemble it. So it might simply look like it's made out of magma, rock and glass. But it's still some form of a biological creature like all the other creatures that take adrenochrome. Why would it suddenly become a rock? It's just so different now. The glow, hard to explain, but that doesn't mean anything because we have electric eels that exist and we're giving this creature the ability to become hyper intelligent. And many creatures do literally get magic and other powers. So we're not in a crazy stretch to say that somehow it's glowing and its environment allows it to radiate so hot that itself works like lava. But this is all because of where it lives and taking Trinochrome at the same time. And during the transformation, it takes those factors into consideration. Boom. Which means environmental, environment. The environment in which you're changing. When you take the adrenochrome effects what you turn into.

Cristina: But also, a lot of these creatures seem to choose what they look like sometimes.

Jack: So when has that happened?

Cristina: Like, don't they. I thought one.

Jack: It's always random.

Cristina: It feels like they do it specifically to scare, though.

Jack: And when. What. Who.

Cristina: I tried to think.

Jack: There's no example of that. No creature has chosen anything.

Jack: A lot of them tend to be scary, but that's because they stop taking adrenochrome, go feral, and then do crazy s***.

Cristina: Mmm. I feel like there was something, but I can't remember. I feel like it was related to the werewolves, but I don't know.

Jack: There's a bunch of variants of werewolves, but there's like, the werewolf and the lycan. Those are two different. One is consistently using the adrenochrome, the other one isn't. And then when they pass on, regardless of either or. They would both, in either case become either a wendigo or a wetchudge. The wetchudge being the feral version and the Wendingo being the non pharaoh version.

Cristina: Wouldn't this have a pharaoh and non pharaoh version?

Jack: Well, yes, but we don't know what the non. What the feral version looks like because we just have the one that's been.

Cristina: We just know about one creature.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Lava creature.

Jack: No. In theory. There's more we can find. But it could just be so rare.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That, you know, we'd have to find them. But there is the fact that this is a thing at all that is kind of interesting to begin with.

Cristina: Yes. That there's a bird that's drinking blood.

Jack: Yeah. It's potentially becoming this s***. But this just made me curious about how are there creatures living on volcanoes at all? Like what? Like what?

Cristina: Like why? Well, I guess we know why.

Jack: Because. Survival.

Cristina: Survival.

Jack: Yeah, but how the f***, you know, like, how is this possible? But, like, Jeff Goldblum continues to tell us, nature finds a way. Nature fight. And he's saying it in a movie, too. Nature finds a way. That's his line. That's just what he's known for from now on because it became so iconic before. Nature finds a way.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: So let's break it down. What is a volcano? We got to rationalize this in order to try to understand how things are hanging out there. So let's begin. A volcano is just essentially a hole.

Cristina: It's a hole.

Jack: Right. It's a hole in the ground, specifically on the surface level, that allows passage to the under levels where the magma hangs out and then the magma spews out. And we call it a volcano.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess with the. The gr. The hole is erupting or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. When the hole is spitting like magma and like ash and gas and crap, we're like, that's a volcano. Whatever. But that's the. The volcano is complicated because the volcano is kind of the process, not the thing.

Cristina: Process.

Jack: Yeah. Let me explain. A fissure is where the magma comes from, the ash comes from, the gas comes from. A fisher spits out all the stuff that we look at, and we're like a volcano Fisher. The fisher. It's like a water fisher. You go to, like this, where the water poles and like steam. What is it called? Hot springs. And hot springs tend to have, like, steam fissures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's essentially what we're calling where the lava and magma and ash and gas comes from. That's what we look at. We're like, oh, now when we look at a big mountain thing, and we're like, that's a volcano. Well, sort of.

Cristina: Sort of.

Jack: Because what we're looking at that looks like a giant smooth rock outside is just dried lava. That's not a mountain and that's not a volcano. Again, the volcanoes. The process, specifically this is just a part of something that happens.

Cristina: The volcano is not the object.

Jack: No, it's a process. So when you look at the typical drying of a volcano, that's kind of like a flat top and then like a triangle coming out of that. The triangle out of that. We just call that a volcanic cone because that's all lava. The dried dry magma that created that form. Yeah, that's not the volcano. That's just some s*** that dried on during the volcanic process.

Cristina: But there's no volcano then.

Jack: There's no such thing as, like a physical volcano. But also. Yes, because it's the only thing that has the process. So we're calling the collection of these things. It's like an engine isn't a car, A piston isn't a car. The tires aren't a car, the chassis isn't a car. But you kind of put all the things together in a car kind of happens.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, so there's no volcano. There's magma gases, glass, molten rock. There's fissures. There are volcanic cones, but all of these things together are the volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the fissure alone is just a fissure where magma comes from.

Cristina: Are there fissures without magmas?

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch of water fish. It's the most common type of fish in the world.

Cristina: Oh, okay. And that just spews out water. Water. Hot water. Yeah. Can lava come out through there eventually or no.

Jack: If a crazy catastrophe happened, broke down everything below that that then allowed magma from way deeper. Although it's the same concept. It's just the magma is coming from deeper.

Cristina: Deeper.

Jack: Yeah. The fissure is coming from the top layer. That's water. Magma is underneath the crust while water sits on top of the crust. Even the water coming up from fissures is really water that's still on top of the crust. It's sea level at most. It has to be because it's f****** water. But it's the same idea. It's underneath the. Underneath the ground and there's enough hot air that's making it bubble and spew up as the air is trying to leave.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: So the same process takes place during the volcanic eruption. A bunch of the hot gases underneath the magma that's collected into rocks and stuff starts to bubble up. And the pressure, it builds up because it's already hot. The pressure builds up with it, keeps making more and more and more gas, then spews upward. It actually breaks the magma that's solidified and shoots that up into the air a lot of the time with such ferocity that on top of it being the magma from the bottom, creating the heat that shoots the first layer of rock. And then because you see the spew.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Goes out so far that it becomes ash in the sky and gases fly up and there are rocks flying, but very few. And in that process a lot of these rocks in the air even catch fire. That's when you see the whole. But there's also lava chunks flying here and there.

Cristina: That's horrifying.

Jack: But the majority of the magma isn't what's spewing upward. That's the hard s*** that was getting out of the way. Because the magma is just kind of going to go up and slide downwards.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's the real. The cap is what we're seeing blow up. There's a lid because cold air is hitting the hot lava and it's no longer active. And then it kind of creates a sheet and kind of like ice forming on a lake.

Jack: It's wetter down, but more frozen on top.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, Same idea. The colder air while the air is hitting the top, cooling the top and the bottom Stays.

Cristina: Yeah. So there's lava still under there.

Jack: Yes. And then these processes create the definition between a dormant volcano and an active volcano. Which is a dormant volcano still has all the same features than an active volcano does. But it doesn't seem to be ready or actively creating anything while a active volcano is still bubbling and creating gases. These gases usually spurs out through fissures and other locations, even the very eye of the volcano.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they disperse enough to not have an eruption, although the eruptions can still happen at any moment.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: If the proper buildup happens.

Cristina: But an inactive one won't ever.

Jack: No, that's incorrect. An extinct volcano won't. That is a volcano that has zero activity. It could not revert to an active one, while a dormant one could eventually wake up. Now, it's interesting we would use these terminologies to talk about volcanoes in the first place because of the nature of the volcano, that it's a piece of the Earth in theory. You know, this is how we discuss it in science, how we talk about volcanoes. It's just part of Earth, natural process of Earth. But having one asleep and one awake. Interesting language choices, especially with the aggressive nature that they have and the fact that we know clouds and hurricanes and things kind of also share their own ecosystem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I wonder if there's anything to the terminology, sleeping and awake, like volcanoes are alive. Yeah. If they were moving, it'd be easier to understand this thought. But the fact that we now have a rock monster, essentially, unless we can prove it, is in fact the evolved state of this bird after adrenochrome. That means what we consider to just be solid. Like inanimate things could, in theory, have life in ways we don't understand, which we've had many, many episodes ago. We've had these conversations about what could ultimately be conscious. But now we're talking about something that seems totally inanimate, behaving the way other humanoid creatures do. Kind of complex. Also. Why would this bird become humanoid? So many problems here.

Cristina: What? There's people that become like chickens.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: In their transformation.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: There was a witch in Mexico or something that becomes a chicken.

Jack: The Baba Yaga?

Cristina: No, some other creature. And you have to, like, pray and to get it rid of it, but it thirsts for baby blood.

Jack: Oh, sh. Wait, we talked about this before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, crap. Okay, interesting. So I guess, yeah. Point being that. What about these volcanoes? How do we apply that same logic to these volcanoes? Is it the mouth? Is it their body? Is the. If the process is the volcano. Then there isn't anything to talk about. We're just using crap terminology.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true.

Jack: Because there isn't a volcano. There's parts that make up a volcano.

Cristina: It's the actual Earth.

Jack: Yes, exactly. And we know the Earth is alive. So this is some physical process.

Cristina: The Earth popping a pimple? Could be. It feels like that, I guess, in a way, because, like, yes, it wakes up and goes to sleep, but it's the Earth itself choosing, not choosing. I guess it's just happening to it.

Jack: Yeah, it's a process of. But it's always in the same place. You know, the locations where the fissures are. It could be a way to think about it. Pours pores. Fishes are pores. Interesting. Fissures all over the place are pores. That's sweat. That's heat expelling through holes on the surf, on the skin of the Earth.

Cristina: The Earth sweats. Oh, my gosh. That makes sense.

Jack: The Earth sweats.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, it's really hot inside.

Jack: But those would be the fissures. Water coming out. Water fissures. Then what's happening with magma? Interesting. Right, we're back to the pimple idea. Fours are significantly smaller then pimples are. They're almost micro. I mean, they're not microscopic, but they're. They're very tiny. You would require a microscope to see one.

Cristina: Mm. Pimples know.

Jack: Pimples know.

Cristina: They are like pimples. They are like pimples. But then, like, what else does the Earth have that is similar to the human body? I guess.

Jack: What do you mean? There's a bunch of crap happening? There's a core that allows everything else to function. That's either the heart of the brain or both simultaneously existing. There are tunnels underground overground that behave as a vein system or a artery system. If we assume the water is artery and the lava is the veins, then we have a perfect circulatory system happening for Earth. Many pathways of water on the inside, Many pathways of magma traveling on the inside. And again, the magma goes all the way to where the core, where the heart is. There's a lot of similarities. The heart of the Earth has magma, the blood of the Earth, leading outward to the surface to the extremities. And similar to popping a pimple, sometimes blood comes out.

Cristina: Ugh. Okay.

Jack: And similar to people pores all over the place, which are the fishers, and.

Cristina: Then is the ash. Like when you're popping a blackhead or something, like the dirt that's stuck in there.

Jack: I guess.

Cristina: That'S so crazy. So there's no volcanoes. Or they are. They're mountains then, are they? Not mountains either.

Jack: There are mountains with a fissure cutting through it. That. Or I guess not really. There are mountains built on top of or that happen on top of volcanoes.

Cristina: That are not related.

Jack: Like, they're not related. Like the. The top surface happens to be a mountain, and the mountain that has a fissure somewhere on the inside that, when that erupts, will create a giant hole or blow the top of a mountain. But what we think about when we see a volcano, that shape. That's not a mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is just some thing that happened as a product of gravity and the magma kind of rolling down, creating that triangular form. So, no, it is not a mountain. A volcano is factually not a mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, there are volcanoes that can have weirder shapes that maybe perhaps help reduce the. The visual of what we think are mountain volcanoes. There are like shield volcanoes there. They have a slope so gradual that they kind of just look like a dome to some degree instead of like pointy. They just got like a. Like a shield volcano. It's got the shape of a shield.

Cristina: It's called the shield.

Jack: Yeah, it's got the shape of a shield. And these volcanoes are very known for. You've probably seen videos of these online where they're not known for a giant explosion and a bunch of magma leaking, but rather slow magma pressing out of the fissure slowly and then gradually rolling. And then people come and visit these places, take photos of lava rolling around and s*** like that.

Cristina: What, people are just hanging out and.

Jack: Yeah, you've probably seen videos of this. People go and just take shots or photos or whatever of rolling lava. They're going to these volcanoes where it's super safe. I mean, minus the lava part.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But otherwise, unless the lava suddenly decided to stand up and start running towards you.

Cristina: Yeah, pretty stand on the lava.

Jack: Exactly. Like, you'd be pretty good at that point.

Cristina: Okay. Is there other types of volcanoes?

Jack: Well, most of the features we've talked about are types of volcanoes. I guess you could say there's cone volcanoes, but those are just, again, something that happened. Okay, so all of the instances of what a volcano is are wrong because a volcano is really the process. And we're just calling all these different things volcano.

Cristina: But they're not.

Jack: But they're not, because the process is volcano. So the shield volcano is a way in which the magma rolls and dries. So is the cone volcano.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A way in which it moves A super volcano, again is we're just calculating the super based on the fact that it had to expel an absurd amount of matter in one event.

Cristina: That's what makes it a super volcano.

Jack: Yeah. It's not size. It has to in one event has thrown out over a hundred, not a hundred, over a thousand cubic kilometers of volcanic deposit. That's what's measuring it. So it's processing.

Cristina: I imagine that they were just huge.

Jack: They could in theory be really big, but they could just be over because.

Cristina: Of what they spewed out that made them super in the first place.

Jack: Yes. And really what's deciding that is the magma chamber. A magma chamber is a pool of lava that's underneath the crust and that's where the magma is. How large that is determines how big. What's over. It could explode.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Out word.

Cristina: And that would predict super volcano.

Jack: Yes. So super volcano now you know, not location. Super volcanoes in theory have already exploded in the past.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how we identify them. So a super volcano usually leads to the craziest explosions that are kind of earth ending to some degree. But it's all about the process of. Or not process, the quantity. We've abandoned process at this point. We're like, quantity makes you a super volcano.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we can't tell where there's a super volcano that hasn't erupted because it would require us to go beneath the crust and investigate all of underneath the crust.

Cristina: Okay. We can't do that.

Jack: It's impossible. So we need events to have happened in order to calculate. Like, oh yeah, this crap. That there must be so much down there in order for this much matter to have come from it. That's the only way we could determine these things.

Cristina: We're looking at what though.

Jack: At the.

Cristina: Just the.

Jack: The amount of matter they spewed tells us if it's a super volcano or not.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that allows us to kind of question how much magma is in the magma chamber that this volcano sits over.

Cristina: Can they tell how old the magma is?

Jack: I don't know what that means. It's infinitely old. It's all the same magma. It's just really. Magma's really compressed matter essentially being really hot.

Cristina: Yeah. Like how do they tell how long ago a volcano exploded? I guess.

Jack: Oh. So yeah. There's probably layers of how it dries and shapes and crap that tell people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Essentially. I guess geologists would be the people doing it. Who that then they know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The age of.

Cristina: Because you have to know. That would be part of it. Right. Like How? Like that doesn't help how if it's a super volcano or not. No, but it's still.

Jack: Well, it could not how old it is, but how far it traveled could tell them how much went up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So you could be like, well, this came from way the h*** down there. That must be a crate if you could find a lot of it. That must have been crazy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's probably how they detect it. But yeah, it's interesting that there are just pools of lava, of magma, magma chambers hanging out underneath. And we could be sitting over one. Not even know.

Cristina: That is cool. But it's cooler that there's a creature living in a volcano that is weird.

Jack: That is weird. And what it's made of is really weird. Now I wonder if it itself has a circulatory system. Again, it couldn't really be made out of lava if it's a creature that made it from blood. And it needs blood and it needs blood.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just looks like a creature. It's just a creature, except it's made of rock and lava. And like, if it was a shadow creature, that wouldn't check out. It wouldn't make sense. It would be more ethereal, more. More ghost like.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's not. It's just glass and rock and lava.

Cristina: Be a disguise.

Jack: I figured we would figure that out if that was the case.

Jack: It could be a shapeshifter.

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: That's the direction it could go. But then what the h*** is wrong with this shapeshifter that it's deciding to choose the shape of random inanimate crap as opposed to blending in, which is usually what a bunch of the shapeshifters that visit do do.

Cristina: There's that shapeshifter that. Is it a shapeshifter? I think it's a shapeshifter that turns into a snake with wings.

Jack: Yes, but that's a snake and a bird. Those are still just living things in a weird combo execution.

Cristina: Shapeshifters that turn into random crap.

Jack: Exactly. Right. It's always a thing that's an animal of some sort. Like they're trying to blend in. The one that tries to look like a dog. Chupacabra is a famous one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although there's two variants of the Chupacabra, which I'm sure they. There's too many. Too many. But they're all different creatures. We know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And one of them is like a God, like alien, and the other one's just some s*** on Earth that presumably got the ability from Eating some other s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But all the shapeshifters aim to. Well, no, we're wrong. But again, the alien shapeshifter is the one who got weird and turned into the weird, like, lizard. Not even lizard. It's just the closest comparison we can make. But it's this weird monster looking thing, and that's the one that came from space. Remember that? And that was a shapeshifter. But also the dog one was a shapeshifter, and those are two different creatures.

Cristina: Could this thing be an alien?

Jack: It could totally be an alien, but as of now, it just seems to be just an Earth creature because it's entirely made up of.

Cristina: Clouds are Earth creatures, and they don't look like anything.

Jack: They're astoundingly abstract and weird. At least from our understanding, they can identify one another.

Cristina: Yeah, but if this could be something.

Jack: Like that, that'd be fascinating, right?

Cristina: That would mean it's its own creature.

Jack: Exactly. And there would be more like this. It could be like a panther. They hang out relatively alone, like one per volcano. And like the mating process must be complicated because we need one to migrate to the other, which is unlikely.

Cristina: That doesn't feel like something bad happens, travel underground.

Jack: This would be fascinating because this means that the volcano is a. Either a reject or the alpha, and they get to have the big thing. Or they're abandoned into this prison that.

Cristina: Exposes them because they're getting version sacrifices.

Jack: Well, we're assuming that this is the version of whatever the creature this is that has had adrenochrome because it has had adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm. And that whatever, it's an outcast because it has.

Jack: Well, no, we don't know why it's an outcast. We just know that it is an outcast. And this is not how all these creatures would look or behave.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And if they do exist, it being in this situation, it being in a volcano probably has something to do with it looking and behaving the way it does, because maybe the food it required isn't around. And in order to survive, it ate whatever and then boom, came across blood, which wasn't normal in its environment.

Cristina: Okay, interesting. Interesting, yes.

Jack: Now, following your logic, there must be a. I don't know if highly intelligent way this creature is the way that other humanoid creatures are. But whether highly intelligent or not, that means that there are through the magma and through the tunnels inside of volcanoes leading through passages that are too hot for anything else to survive. Yes, there must really be. Not too hot for anything to survive. But Just rather creatures that do live down there that we'll never see because we could never go down there.

Cristina: Yeah. That makes sense.

Jack: A plethora of them. An entire ecosystem. Whether. And maybe there are highly intelligent ones. And maybe that is what we're seeing. Kind of like dolphins run the water.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There are creatures that just run the magma, or not even the magma. But beneath the crust of the Earth, there's an ecosystem and there are things that are our counterparts down there. And maybe these magma things are related.

Cristina: Maybe. And we would just never know because it's impossible. It's impossible to check that out.

Jack: It is impossible to check that out. Unless. Unless we use. Because technology is not gonna get us there. Everything we have on Earth melts. This is the hottest s***. There's a workaround, though, and we have the necessary creatures for it.

Cristina: We're gonna use creatures.

Jack: Well, we have the necessary creatures for the solution.

Cristina: What's the solution?

Jack: Magic can do a lot. So if we can figure out magic that then allows us to survive the conditions of.

Cristina: That's also crazy.

Jack: The magma. Then we can go explore that.

Cristina: What? I honestly just thought you were gonna say we're gonna just use the supercomputer or whatever computer. We have that.

Jack: Wow. That's actually way more efficient because we could just simulate it perfectly and then just change the variable that allows us to navigate the environment.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And go and explore it.

Cristina: That would make sense.

Jack: That would make absolute sense.

Cristina: Or using the. The people that work for us to do it. Because why would.

Jack: They would die. They would be pointless. We wouldn't get anything back. The real idea in the real world, if we weren't to use a computer, which in hindsight, is the most optimal, safest way to do this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if we for whatever reason ignored that for the thousandth time and took an active approach here. Magic would be the way to do it. Because the Reptilians know everything magic related. They know a lot.

Cristina: They know a lot.

Jack: But it's actual technology, isn't it? We thought it was magic, but it's tech.

Cristina: It's the cat people.

Jack: It's the cat people who. That might also be f****** tech, bro. We're still not sure. Think about the lineage of us still waiting for freaking Steve to figure out communicating with the clouds. Because ultimately this will also solve that problem. Because they have the ability to interact with lightning or generate it or something, which is about as hot as lava, maybe hotter. So they can. They know the tricks. The clouds are astoundingly necessary to most of the s***. That we have been halted at. And until we get confirmation that, yes, we have established a back and forth. Yes, we're waiting. And now there's just another thing we're waiting for. The potential clouds could help us with. Because some of these clouds literally level up to the degree that they are partially lava themselves.

Cristina: Do not remember that stars. Oh, yes. The ones they were trying to communicate with.

Jack: That. That's the part you forgot. The biggest thing all of everywhere.

Cristina: That's so ridiculous. You don't think of it as a cloud.

Jack: Well, it is. It's both a cloud and a giant molting thing.

Cristina: That's the reason we need the clouds in the first place, to communicate with the stars. Okay.

Jack: This is a process. We're trying to get farther and farther to talk to the biggest kahunas. But now there's a thing that's kind of hot like the biggest kahunas, and it's right here. And we kind of already have it. Maybe there's more of it.

Cristina: Maybe there's creatures on the stars as well.

Jack: Well, this, I guess the same way that Earth is living thing with crap on it. Possible. Yeah, that checks out. That makes sense. But it would have to exist in the molting section.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because there is just the gaseous surface.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But on the flip side, who says there isn't an ecosystem in that gaseous surface as well? Wow, this is getting weird. I haven't thought about any of this in the past, but, yes, I guess all of that checks out because we also have crap in our atmosphere. Why wouldn't the atmosphere of a star have crap there?

Cristina: We gotta find out.

Jack: Whoa. Yeah. And we need a star for it.

Cristina: Yes. Man, we need a star for so much.

Jack: Yes. And it's a problem. So basically, we've just circled back to the same issue that we've had for quite a while, which is we can't seem to advance. On the flip side, if we can get magic, we need the capio before the magic. But in theory, maybe this doesn't seem too difficult. It's just magma. I think the reptilians might be enough to figure at least this out. If we can get to the bottom and see what kind of civilization maybe there is intelligence. Because it still brings up the question. I mean, I guess in theory the Mayans didn't go all the way beneath the cross. That's exaggerated. But, you know, they're the Mayans, when they went underneath the ground and plugged into the mansion, like, they didn't really, like, go so far down they're hanging out with lava monsters. Like. That's so nice.

Cristina: They are the lava monsters.

Jack: That would be crazy. But no, they wouldn't, because we know they went to space. Yeah, some went to space and the others just connected to the Matrix. I guess we could in theory assume there's a third faction. But how would they evolve into these things? That makes no sense. That's. There's a disconnect from one to the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But there's. There's many options here. There's. There's paths.

Cristina: What if they're not connected to the Matrix? What if they're connected to the lava people? There's that. They're like avatar bodies in this world.

Jack: Interesting. What if they. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: That. That thought only made sense until they're the avatars in their own world. That makes sense.

Cristina: Like so that they can peek out whenever. But not actually.

Jack: They wouldn't. They would literally not. Because lava people would in theory exist in the lava underneath the surface. So they'd go underground. So then pretend to be underground creatures who wouldn't come up. But. But following that absolutely broken conclusion, what if those are in fact avatars? In an. In a literal avatar, the movie by the director, guy who everybody loves, works. There's a place that's inhabit inhospitable to humans, and they need to go there because of some worse s*** elsewhere. In the case of Avatar, there was, you know, profit. Human profit. The usual reason for us invading people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in the case of this situation, we know the Mayans knew something was going to happen. Some of them are like, get the f*** off the planet. Others like, we got to go way the h*** down there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But too far down is impossible. Unless you make a pod where your mind can live and then you create some sort of other thing where you send the signal of your brain to. This is your new body. The pod is gonna keep you alive, is gonna give you nutrients, it's gonna give you food and make sure you don't die. But your body that you've created will never die, is made entirely different. This is some sort of Android that happens to be able to survive in lava conditions. These are technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To then perhaps get to the center of the Earth, or not even the center of the earth, but they could because it's just molting. But then that would break the argument that there is life on something like a star.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because we don't have that. It's less likely that something like that happened. We have less examples.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to this just Being something that lives down there.

Cristina: So you have to figure that out, though.

Jack: It would tell us whether it's.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something we should look into for stars. Like a question we could write on our list of questions for stars.

Cristina: A lot of questions, man. But yes.

Jack: Oh, yes. But yeah. So that. That's kind of the rabbit hole that I went down. That all began by asking whether or not we could jump down a volcano.

Cristina: Yeah. You haven't. You didn't figure that out, though, at all. Like, do you know the average of how many people accidentally fall into volcanoes or something?

Jack: No. It was proven that things live there already. So it's kind of pointless, the fact that there's normal. Like, screw this creature and whatever the h*** this is. There's just stuff there, just normal animals hanging out there that's like, of course. Yeah, there's whatever. Humans make it there too, I suppose. Which is true. I didn't think while we were having this conversation before, we didn't think about the fact that people just go photograph lava.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So, yeah, it was a dumb question because we weren't thinking about the bigger picture. People definitely have to volcano dive. Especially in, like, extinct volcanoes that aren't active.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's probably a normal thing. Yeah, man. I'm so edgy. I went into the mouth of the volcano.

Cristina: But we know people die from volcanoes too, of course. Family that just jumped into one and that's it.

Jack: Of course. Of course. But it's not like they couldn't survive in a volcano. Which was the original question. Could you volcano dive?

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: The answer is yes, objectively, because you don't even need to go volcano diving. S***. Just. It's not like, whoa, the most extreme. No, there's just any. Hey, look at the iguana.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This is extreme conditions. Is that a flamingo?

Cristina: What?

Jack: This is the most hardcore place in the world. Is that a pink flamingo?

Cristina: Little tiny blood sucking bird that gets real hardcore.

Jack: I think that's the weirdest part about this interaction. Of all the normality happening. And then tiny little finch shows up and just digs into the first thing with blood it finds. It's like, holy crap. What happened?

Cristina: What happened?

Jack: Beautiful flamingo flies into this hot, hot place. Like, wow.

Cristina: Are you sure these flamingos aren't drinking blood?

Jack: Positive. Flamingo lands is beautiful. You're looking at it. You're like, oh, this is gorgeous. Fantastic. You see an iguana chilling out here. Like, oh, that checks out moisture and crap heat, you know?

Cristina: Mm. I see.

Jack: I see what's going on. And then A beautiful finch just gliding. It flies and it lands, and you're like, oh, wow. That finch is dope. Looks around. You're like, oh, majestic. A finch that came all the way here to the mouth of the volcano. The finch takes off and starts floating, and you're like, oh, this is. Look how beautiful it flies. Until it rips the f****** eye out of the flamingo you were looking at. And you're like, holy s***. This just became epic as f***. This is crazy. I was scared of the lava. This bird's what I got to get the h*** away from.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Can you imagine a swarm of those finch? You're f*****. Just all the blood.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: The first cut, you're done.

Cristina: They don't do that, though, do they? It's not like, where are those. Those fish that eat piranhas? Piranhas. They're not like piranhas.

Jack: I don't know. Well, no, because there's not enough food. If there were a bunch of them, they would attack each other. That's the whole point. They're cannibals. They're not cannibals, but they love blood because that's how getting nutrients are missing.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: If they were a flock, that flock wouldn't make it. They would just eat each other. They would cannibalize instantaneously.

Cristina: Oh, amazing. What? Whoa.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's a pretty cool, disturbing bird.

Jack: Yeah. The vampire ground finch. Fantastic. So, yeah, the answer to the question of whether you can volcano hop is without a doubt, yes. Yes, you can. You can go into the mouth of a volcano. In fact, there's some volcanoes that people probably just casually do this to because they're dead f****** volcanoes that do nothing. So, yes, we can all go. And then. Fair enough. It might be so safe that there's creatures of so many different things living down there. So we just got to go investigate that.

Cristina: But you shouldn't go, because you might.

Jack: Be eaten by the creatures that you're looking for.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or the bird that's just hanging out there, that's not even a creatures. I mean, it's a you. It's a real Earth creature. But the fact that you could just be killed by a finch that's trying to drink your blood.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Well, amazing. I hope you guys learned something. I hope you learned something about, you know, volcano humping. Mm, lovely. Volcano humping. Anyways, you guys can listen to last week's episode to get the details on how this conversation began. But additionally, a bunch of the crap discussed here reference a bunch of other.

Cristina: Crap discussed in different episodes.

Jack: In different episodes. So there's a plethora of places to reach from. So just go read show titles, go read episode titles back to back to back and you'll eventually come across one. You're like, oh, this seems like.

Cristina: Read the summaries. The summaries are great.

Jack: Yeah. They'll tell you what's in each episode so you can find the thing. Actually, if you go to the website greathoughts.info justconvopod, I think, or just conversation Pod, I don't know, one of those. You can find not just the summary, but you can type in keywords that will take you specifically to things connected.

Cristina: Ah, that's a great way.

Jack: Yeah. So if you want to like link from one to the other and see all the episodes that are related, you could just type in some keywords and be like, okay, all the episodes related to Shadow Realm, boom. They'll show up together.

Cristina: Because there's a lot.

Jack: Yeah, it's like four or five. Anyways. Yeah, you guys can go do that and you can find all our stuff on socials. If you want to go contact us, you can do get that stuff at just Convopod, Facebook, Twitter or Instagram.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth will tell people that they can learn about volcanoes and volcano creatures from listening to us.

Cristina: Yes. And this has been the raveling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: I mean, look, this is an assumption. I know that they're made by the people from over the wall. I was assuming I could. In theory, they could be sort of mechanical to some degree, but they seem like living beings. This is externally, in theory, they could be solar powered, but then how do they function at night? Unless they have internal battery holding things that stores a surplus. So there's more than they need to make the night. But what do we do about periods of time when there's night for nine months?

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: I guess it's six months at highest, I think. I'm not really sure, but you get my point.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. So that wouldn't be helpful.

Jack: It wouldn't be helpful. Eventually you just run out, then what?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they have to be biological. They have to be self sustained.

Cristina: Yeah. So people would volunteer for some weird experiment?

Jack: Well, we don't know the people over. It wasn't people from this side who volunteered. We wouldn't know how they got here because there's people from over the wall and nobody is allowed over the wall.

Cristina: Mm. Not even us.

Jack: We're not allowed. Only Pete. Well, we're allowed over the wall, but people who aren't working for the Illuminati or the Freemasons or any of that are. They're not allowed. Those are the same. That's why people here, a bunch of people, can simply not lift off the planet. We have the technology to get anywhere. Why don't we send pedestrians? No, pedestrians are only allowed over our. Good night.

October 01, 2022

Rambling 194: Sweaty Fart Socks

October 01, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

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Topics Discussed:

Goat Overpopulation
Jurassic Park
Alien Bestiality
Selling Fart Aroma
Sweaty Sock Vendor
Starting OnlyFans
Multiverse Farts
Volcano Diving

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Jack: Yes. So let's get to the grounding, bro.

Cristina: To the grounding?

Jack: Yes. What we do here is ground things like not unlike terrorists. Terrorists ground. For example, planes. They ground planes.

Cristina: Is that what they do?

Jack: Didn't we just finish that holiday like a couple of weeks ago? We just a whole holiday about celebrating terrorists ability to ground planes and buildings and buildings. Well, buildings are already on the ground, technically speaking.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, I guess. But they are, I guess. That's horrible though.

Jack: Why do we call them buildings instead of built?

Cristina: That sounds bad.

Jack: It does. But also we'd be so used to it. Building would sound stupid.

Cristina: Then you built a built.

Jack: You built a building. That's still wrong. That's so weird.

Cristina: I guess it shouldn't be called build. Like Bill shouldn't be in building. Because. Building.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: Because it's already one thing. Why are we giving it.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. It's like saying you laying.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You lot of lying.

Cristina: What are you trying to say?

Jack: Raced. Racing.

Cristina: Race day. Racing. I think you can say that. I don't know if that's incorrect.

Jack: You raced a racing.

Cristina: I guess. Why doesn't that make sense?

Jack: I mean, I guess you could say you raced a race.

Cristina: You raced a race? Yes. There you go. Erase the. Erase. That's. There's nothing wrong with that.

Jack: This is not the previous episode where we were talking about language, bro.

Cristina: This is part two.

Jack: Part two about language?

Cristina: No, man, that'd be crazy. Did you know that there were mountain goats that were. That are being. Were being airlifted out of a national park? I mean, it could still be happening now. I don't know.

Jack: So there are. Why are they being. Because they. They can't be. I don't know.

Cristina: I want you to guess.

Jack: The T. Rex is gonna eat them otherwise.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Because of the fire.

Cristina: Because of fire.

Jack: No, because they are royal goats. Was it goats? What was being lifted?

Cristina: Goats.

Jack: Goats. Okay.

Cristina: Yeah. Royal goats.

Jack: They're extinct. Goats.

Cristina: Extinct.

Jack: They're going extinct. They're close. Extinction?

Cristina: The opposite. There's too many. But that's not the problem.

Jack: So where are we drop. Are we throwing them in volcanoes?

Cristina: No, we are just taking them to other locations.

Jack: Is it where the T. Rex is? No, this is how we control the amount of goats. And we also manage to like, keep Jurassic park at bay because we keep digging all the goats over there and feeding into T. Rexes.

Cristina: Well, these goats are native to where they're at, and they just once introduced there, they just repopulated like crazy. Oh, s***. Like, there's now, like, there was, like, 700 of them there. But that's not why they're lifting them out. Because I don't want to tell you yet. Can you guess another reason why they might be lifting them up besides feeding T. Rex?

Jack: I don't know. Feeding a T. Rex is what makes the most sense, but they're overpopulating. I don't know. Why are they airlifting them out? I don't know.

Cristina: Because they're craving human pee. It's a problem.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Yes, they love human pee.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's a great source of salts and minerals that they need, I guess.

Jack: And where are they finding this human pee?

Cristina: People who like to go hiking and stuff in the mountain. Because that's a popular thing nowadays, going hiking and camping.

Jack: I mean, I'm pretty sure that hiking has always been a thing that's always been popular. Not like recently.

Cristina: No, no. Yes. But hiking in a place that's super populated with goats, that's not a thing. No.

Jack: I bet there's places where that's common. There's goats in so many places on Earth. There's no way that there's not a place where people are. Like, there's no place on earth where people are hiking and there are goats. Like, come on. There has to be goats.

Cristina: Yes, but that much in one location.

Jack: 700 Goats is not, like, a lot.

Cristina: That's not a lot to you? That sounds like a lot to me.

Jack: Are they all just packed into the.

Cristina: One trail, into this one mountain? That's why they're airlifting them to other spots to spread them out more.

Jack: How small is the mountain?

Cristina: I don't know. In my head, it's small.

Jack: And there's just 700 goats everywhere you look?

Cristina: Yeah. Like every. Like, you can't get away. They're just everywhere, would you say?

Jack: Let's just give you a visual about why things like this don't make sense in my life. Do you know what a school looks like? Right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You could fit, like, 3,000 kids in a school. Comfortably.

Cristina: Comfortably, Comfortably.

Jack: Like a large enough school you could fit. Is a school definitely smaller than a mountain?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Okay. So they're at least more spread out than that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How many schools would it take to make a mountain? One mountain. Hundreds, right?

Cristina: Yes. But these goats are bothering People, I'm guessing that's the point.

Jack: That's really the point. It's not that there's a lot of goats. Is that humans are like, this is annoying.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. It's truly about. The goats are annoying.

Jack: Yeah. We're making up an excuse. There's so many. No, it's just, you want our pee, and we think it's weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's all it really is, is coming.

Cristina: Into our camp, feeding our pee pee. Well, I guess your clothing that's covered in sweat and pee. Well, maybe not.

Jack: Clothing is not covered in pee. I mean, I guess it could be, but, like, those are the people I would be scared of in the woods.

Cristina: Someone who's covered in sweat and pee some.

Jack: Yeah. I guess it's a pretty bad combo.

Cristina: It's a bad combo, but it's gotta be, like, sweaty clothes. In the end of the day, you take it off and then a goat is eating it.

Jack: Goat is eating your. Your. I guess now they're get. You're taking. They're taking the goats out so the goats don't choke on the peed clothing that they're eating.

Cristina: Yes. Well, not really, Tisha. I don't think any goat was dying. It's really just these goats are annoying.

Jack: We hate these goats. Let's get them out somewhere and just for their safety.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Sounds like things humans do.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it is. It does sound like what you do. That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Humans are usually just annoyed about things and they want to get rid of it without sounding like a douchebag. So make up an excuse that sounds more knowable than you would behave on a normal basis.

Cristina: Yes. And did you hear about that lady who was kidnapped by aliens? Well, there's a lot of stories like that.

Jack: I mean, like, pretty much every interaction with aliens directly was that they were kidnapped.

Cristina: They're never not kidnapped.

Jack: They're never not kidnapped. It's either they saw somebody get kidnapped, they just saw the aliens being weird, or they were kidnapped.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's always kidnapping.

Cristina: It's never an invitation.

Jack: Well, once.

Cristina: Once.

Jack: Billy Mayer.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. They didn't kidnap him then.

Jack: No. He's the chosen one or something.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, his story makes no sense now. Compared to every other story.

Jack: That's why his story is special. All the other stories are bullshit.

Cristina: Or he's lying. He's working for the aliens. He's.

Jack: I guess he kind of is, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's sort of his own story. Yeah, he's kind of like partner with them or some s***.

Cristina: Yes. They're Using him to say that aliens are good. Don't lie.

Jack: You know what? Look, if we were to really think about this, let's say all of this is true. It's more likely they're just using him because they're extremely advanced life forms themselves.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So they just. Using Billy Mayer and his cult. Yeah, and his cult. They're using his reach into people. Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Ah. So then what is that prayer meditation thing really doing? If it's not really to. What is it? Send energy to the world to protect it or something?

Jack: Or energy or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe this is a. A group of people that have found another group of people. But aliens, these creatures have found a shortcut so that they don't need adrenochrome. They don't even need fear. They're doing some other.

Cristina: Yes. Which is. I'm not really sure what exactly it is.

Jack: Neither do I. I'm not sure what the it's supposed to be, but who knows? Like, these creatures need something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And there is, like, godness surrounding some of this crap. So, you know, it does make sense that there would be maybe some other way.

Cristina: Just these aliens figured it out because all the other aliens.

Jack: I guess even Santa Claus still uses fear.

Cristina: Exactly. Every alien and a Santa Claus uses.

Jack: Fear in one way or another.

Cristina: Yes. And every God, too. Like, why would there be one specific type of alien that like. Oh, we figured something out, Elsa.

Jack: Somebody had to be the first. Oh, that killed any argument, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That kills any argument. Somebody had to do it first. Maybe that's just what happened.

Cristina: Then what is it?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: What could it be? I don't understand. Well, whatever. This. This lady that recently, she got kidnapped. She fell in love with the alien.

Jack: Did he fall in love back?

Cristina: He did fall in love back.

Jack: Why'd he leave?

Cristina: Because he was like, aliens and humans shouldn't be together because the aliens would be like. You know, they would be like, why are you with that dog?

Jack: So it.

Cristina: I was.

Jack: I was about to make the argument that, like, whatever, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That. That checks out. That checks out. Why would you be with that dog? This is weird, bro. It's probably illegal.

Cristina: It's probably. Exactly. Or that cow, I guess I should say, because if they're. They like kidnapping cows, they probably see us as cows. Who knows? That'd be a better description.

Jack: And it's even worse than that because it's like, what are you doing with that ant?

Cristina: What are you doing?

Jack: You know, it's. We're so dumb and primitive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: By comparison.

Cristina: Yeah. But she, she. Her option was though, she could have run away with him, but she was like, I can't leave Earth because I know if I leave it, I'll never come back or whatever.

Jack: Right, that. That's very clear. Wouldn't that be the point?

Cristina: Yes, I guess she would only want to be with him if it. Like a part time thing. I don't know.

Jack: A part time thing?

Cristina: Yeah. Like go to space whenever and then come back whenever.

Jack: No, she wants to.

Cristina: Like she wants to live both lives.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She wants a little bit of space. A little bit at home.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Space, a little bit at home.

Cristina: Yeah. That's pretty.

Jack: I want to be able to see my family on weekends.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. What would you do?

Jack: What. In what situation?

Cristina: You fell in love with an alien.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You're gonna leave?

Jack: I guess I've got. I've. I'd have to be there.

Cristina: Yes. Which is weird. Like, what were they doing to her? I don't even re. I don't remember they're saying anything.

Jack: Also, how dumb is this alien that he found this huge. I mean, I guess, bro, whatever. There's people who fall in love with their couches. Like, I get it. It sees. Whatever. There's no argument. Like, I'm trying to reason this, but. No, we have this commonly with random s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There are people like, PETA is out there f****** chickens. Do you know?

Cristina: No, no, that's not what's happening.

Jack: That's exactly what's happening. They fall in love with these animals and then f*** them. What?

Cristina: That reminds me of the Catholic Church. I just read this thing today that they. They're removing that priests can't. There was already a law. This is a shocking thing to me. At least that was letting priests keep, you know, the confessions of people a secret. Like, you know, you tell me. I don't have to tell anyone what you did.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Including pedophile stuff like abuse. They don't have to tell anyone.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: And this place just removed that. So now the priests have to tell the truth. And I'm like, oh my gosh, is this how the priest got away with this all this time?

Jack: But, oh, well, no, probably. But that's in a lot of different areas that law is applied. Psychiatrists have that, lawyers have that, psychologists have that, social workers have that, doctors have that. All these people have that same rule of when you tell us something and anything I know about you is absolutely confidential and if I tell anybody, I lose my license and go to jail.

Cristina: Yes. I Wonder how many of them were being the abuser at the same time.

Jack: Being what?

Cristina: The abuser while saying that, like, oh.

Jack: Yeah, there had to be a bunch of hypocrites.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Like, that's so crazy.

Jack: So there are doctors who steal organs. They made an oath to not hurt people. It's the same s***.

Cristina: Oh, that's pretty horrible too. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's crazy s*** out there.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. What?

Jack: How many cops who take an oath to uphold the law are in the background doing a bunch of illegal s***? Happens everywhere. Everybody is corrupt in their own system. They're a bunch of hypocrites. There has to be.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Know what else is crazy? There was this lady who had to go to hospital because she. I don't know exactly why she think. I think her farts were gonna kill her or something. She was selling her farts and she had a crazy diet.

Jack: To create the smelliest of parts.

Cristina: Yes, to create the smelliest of parts. And then she ended up in the hospital after, like, two months.

Jack: What was wrong with her diet?

Cristina: I don't know. It was mostly like. Is probably not the healthiest thing just all beans. Yeah.

Jack: Cheese. Every day, all day.

Cristina: Yes. Pretty much every day. All day.

Jack: Cheesy bean burritos. Every day. Spicy cheesy bean burritos.

Cristina: Yes. All day. Breakfast, lunch, dinner.

Jack: Yes. Sell these farts with a cup of coffee and a banana.

Cristina: Oh, wouldn't that make her poop?

Jack: Yeah, that's gonna make her poop very watery, and then it's gonna make a lot of. Just a great combo to make it smell.

Cristina: Ew. But she's not selling her poops.

Jack: Oh, she has to make gas. Yeah. Mine. Screw the coffee and the banana. She needs to make her poops. Smell her. Her fart smell. Not her poops. So we need to make her gassy and smelly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So she needs a lot of carbonated drinks. Oh, she needs broccoli and cheese.

Cristina: Yum. But. And beans.

Jack: You're totally right. Broccoli, cheese, beans.

Cristina: That's all I can think of. I'm not sure what else makes a person fart, but she was doing that. She was doing that and selling. She was making money.

Jack: She was making bank.

Cristina: How much was it for one jar? She sold like a. She was selling them for, like, a thousand dollars. The jars.

Jack: Holy f***, dude.

Cristina: She made over 200,000 in her two months of doing this, Yo.

Jack: Oh, my God.

Cristina: Ye. What? So it was just little jars with her farts and, like, little flower Petals in them too for some reason, which I don't know if that takes away from the fart.

Jack: Oh dude. What the is wrong with people? Had she what?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What? At a thousand dollars each? She had 200,000 people. Individuals.

Cristina: People are into farts.

Jack: Holy s***.

Cristina: You're gonna start selling fart. I wonder if you have to be famous though. Piece. I know she was. She's. I wouldn't say famous, but a celebrity, you know, like p***?

Jack: No, onlyfans celebrity.

Cristina: Well, probably. Probably. But she was like in. On tv, I think a reality show.

Jack: That has a lot to do with why she was selling them for a thousand dollars each successfully.

Cristina: So she's one of those type of people just trying to get become a famous something. But then she made an adult website and then for some reason, I guess someone asked her for a fart. So that's how it started her fart career.

Jack: I wonder if Miley Cyrus decided because she's weird like this, right? So she would be like, alright, from now on I'm gonna start selling my farts. How much could Miley Cyrus sell one bottle of her fart for? She's a super mega duper star. No, you know what? No. This is the only feasible human I think would do this. I was like Beyonce fart.

Cristina: But like, well, why not in the.

Jack: Same situation, Beyonce would just say yes for whatever reason.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How much in theory will she make? Could Beyonce with one jar. Sell one? Yeah. One jar of a fart for. We're talking this like person who was once on TV for some s*** we don't know about. Some Z class celebrity.

Cristina: You could. She couldn't even sell it. It would have to be something auctioned off.

Jack: It would be too valuable. Especially because it's really weird, right? It's such a strange thing. And also like a kink thing. It's such a. It's just a really complicated situation.

Cristina: Yes, yes it is.

Jack: Simply because it's a Beyonce fart in a jar.

Cristina: Exactly. Like the things people will do like for her hair, her nail clippings. Like I don't.

Jack: Man, you gotta understand. Somebody is going to some billion. It depends on who buys it, right? If it's just like just a filthy billionaire. He's gonna have it just because everybody else. I have the thing they don't have and they want it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Never going to open it. Don't give a. He's going to put it somewhere and just tell people I own Beyonce's part. He's going to put it in a case, walk people into a Room.

Cristina: I think that's better than a super fan.

Jack: Yes, that's. This is the problem. A super fan is going to enjoy it way more.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: One time.

Cristina: Yes. They're going to perfume themselves with that fire.

Jack: They're going to jerk off to it. They're going to sniff the crap out of it. They're going to stick that bottle in all their holes. They're going to do all the up with thing.

Cristina: They're gonna put water in it, in the glass so far and then freeze it and then take it out.

Jack: No, if you put water in it, the. They'll empty out. They can't.

Cristina: They can't. They have to put that fart.

Jack: Well, they have to put the bottle in there as it is and hope that the fart can freeze. It just needs to get so cold that the fart falls to the bottom and it's frozen somehow. And then they can extract it. Coin of Beyonce's collected frozen fart. And then they could just eat it or whatever they're gonna do, you know, whatever the.

Cristina: If there's a rose petal in there, maybe it'll like stick to the rose petal and then they can eat that.

Jack: So that like, they could save a part of it if they wanted. Man, that's f***** up.

Cristina: But the rose petal brings its own scent.

Jack: What we need. Yeah, exactly. So we need to find something also. Like, is she.

Cristina: Consider.

Jack: How is she bottling her farts? This is another problem because I think she's scamming these people.

Cristina: But she actually did the diet. No, she went to the hospital.

Jack: Look, I. I think she's maybe inadvertently scamming them. How is she capturing the farts, bro? I guess it's not really that complicated. She could just. Her a** has to be bare and then she has to put plastic surrounding her b*******, particularly far into like a bag. But then she can close. Hot pinch off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's trapped in there. Then she connects the bottle to the end where her a** was previously attached to the bag. And then she squeezes the bag a little, thus putting the. The. The fart a little. A little bit of the fart into the bottle. And then closing the bottle with.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: So there's a couple of things. That bottle, she needs something that. Like a. Like a sponge of some sort. So that that sponge can really like, sort of retain the. The. The palpable fart aroma.

Cristina: Then why would.

Jack: In the bottle, you want something that's going to hold it but doesn't have its own sun that's why the rose petals are stupid.

Cristina: Yeah, but I don't think she was thinking about it.

Jack: This is why. I mean, she probably just, like, farted.

Cristina: Into the air and tried to catch.

Jack: It and bottled it. I'm telling you, systems that she did not consider in order to optimize how to best give the highest quality so that later she can raise her prices. She's not thinking.

Cristina: No, but it doesn't matter. Like, she ended up hospitalized, so.

Jack: Did she die, though?

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Did she even waste half of her money that she made in this process?

Cristina: Probably not.

Jack: Yeah. So she's good.

Cristina: Do you think she should start again?

Jack: No, know I'm saying, like, she made her return. Who cares if she went to the hospital? She. She knows she made money and she.

Cristina: Can find the next weird kinky thing to sell.

Jack: No, I think she. She definitely has the thing here.

Cristina: You think she. She should go back to it then? Yeah.

Jack: She just needs to figure out how to keep herself with. With nutrients in her body. She needs to have nutrients in her body.

Cristina: She should stop worrying about having stingy parts. Like, it should just be fine. Farts, whether it's stinky or not.

Jack: Well, the kink part is probably what gets a lot of that money in there.

Cristina: And it needs to be stinky.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They want to be like, oh, yeah, there's something good here. Oh, yeah. They want to smell it. Oh, yeah. Feels it's her.

Cristina: It's her fart, maybe not farts. What about, like, sweaty socks or something like that stinks.

Jack: Yeah, people do that. That's too. And you can just wear that. And it's a literal item you can hold.

Cristina: Yeah. There's easier ways to sell more.

Jack: I think it would actually. Because feet and people.

Cristina: Yeah, people like feet.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think. I think sweaty socks probably makes more money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's way easier. You could buy packs of hundreds of.

Cristina: Socks you can wear multiple at a time.

Jack: Well, no, you want to optimize it. You just do a day. I mean, I guess you do. You just work out a lot.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I was saying. Like, you go to the gym, you put on five pairs.

Jack: No, no, not even look, you. I mean, I guess some people are just gonna get weaker socks than others because whatever sock is farthest from your foot is going to be the weakest sock. It's gonna smell the least. It's gonna have the least amount of sweat.

Cristina: Then you reuse those as the first sock.

Jack: Then you can just wear one at a time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the idea here Would be you would just turn your life into a series of being healthy activities. Hiking and exercising and whatever. And you're always wearing these socks. So you. Let's say you work out eight hours a day doing different kinds of workouts. And that's all you do. Not even ate at four hours a day. It every hour swap to a different pair of socks.

Cristina: And when you sell it, do you sell them as pairs?

Jack: No. I guess you would sell one. Why would you sell two? Let's say one. People are weird. Maybe they don't wear your socks. God, it's so weird. Anyways, so you. You go ahead and use. Yeah, I guess you do. So every hour. That's for a day. Without even counting the socks you'd wear throughout the rest of your day.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You also need to make shoes wears exclusively. Shoes that are so. That aren't breathable. No air gets in so that you get as sweaty as possible. You just customize your life for this. You buying? You look. Every one individual that pays has already covered the pair of their socks that you have bought. That is. So you're making crazy bank. If you buy. If every pair was a dollar and you sold the pair of socks for a thousand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You made them with 999 increase.

Cristina: Crazy. What's crazier though? Farts. Socks. You think there's something else?

Jack: There's something weird about farts more than socks somehow.

Cristina: That is so weird. I don't know why. I guess because it's not there. Like you can't even.

Jack: What about the bath water situation?

Cristina: That's pretty bad too.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Is it worse than socks?

Jack: The fact that people drink in it?

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But this is. This is what makes me think about. I know people can be weird about that f****** fart or the socks. You know how many guys are gonna jerk off in that sock simply because it was on some chick's feet?

Cristina: So weird. But that Beyonce part, that would be crazy.

Jack: Also, let's be real. There's some money opportunities here just. Just for you to consider if you ever wanted to become filthy rich.

Cristina: Who, me?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Just being a female allows this to be quite easy for you.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: The logic is making only fans where they only see your feet ever. And then sell merchandise that has been on your feet for absurd amounts of money. It's very easy.

Cristina: My feet have to be attractive looking like this.

Jack: You just learn how to pose your feet.

Cristina: The end.

Jack: I guess it doesn't even matter. People like different things. You just take photos and the bright audience will find you that's crazy.

Cristina: And then you know what this lady did after that? She's still selling farts. Sort of. They're NFT farts.

Jack: She is. How is she?

Cristina: I don't know how it works.

Jack: So just let me just run by the technology she went from. I'm not considering this at all, too. I'm using innovative new world tech in order to design fart experiences in virtual reality.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So I have gone so far to the other side that I have scientists actively figuring out. Figuring out how to convey my farts into your senses through the new VR landscape that is happening. Soon. Soon you'll be able to buy her virtual farts. Virtual farts in the. What is the multiverse?

Cristina: The multiverse?

Jack: No, what is it called?

Cristina: It's not the multiverse.

Jack: No, the multiverse.

Cristina: That's not Facebook's word.

Jack: The metaverse. In the metaverse.

Cristina: Ah, okay. Yeah. You can buy her parts in the metaverse.

Jack: I mean, NFTs exist in the metaverse, so you're gonna. You can already do the f****** thing.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't understand. Like, is it gonna be a picture? I don't know.

Jack: This is what I'm saying.

Cristina: She's.

Jack: She's innovating. It. It's an nft. It's a digital nft. So you forever preserve her fart and can smell it for the rest of eternity. And only they can prove the real smell is this. You know, somehow it's trace. Somehow you can trace this smell to the original owner.

Cristina: Complicated. NFT is confusing enough already.

Jack: She's figured it out, bro.

Cristina: She is made a smell. That's ridiculous.

Jack: 200,000. All she did was reinvest in herself. She paid one scientist 200,000. It's like with these $200,000, you better figure out how I can preserv my farts forever and everybody can buy them.

Cristina: And own the same fart anymore. Because she doesn't own that far. Or every time she.

Jack: No, she makes a new fart, she can keep making new farts and selling them at the original bidder. She doesn't have the original bid. You know, she doesn't have to worry about it. She just keeps making bank every time somebody new pays for that.

Cristina: Oh. Because every fight fart is unique. Every fart is unique.

Jack: Every fart, every scent, every, you know, every fart procedurally generated.

Cristina: Ah, so ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's. She heard us. And then immediately got to work so that by the end of the same story, you'd land at her already having figured out the problem. She Thought about this.

Cristina: She's a genius. She's a genius, man. That is ridiculous. There's also another ridiculous story. Is this man dressed up as an old lady in a wheelchair to go into a museum where the Mona Lisa is, wherever that place is, and he threw a cake at it.

Jack: Did it land?

Cristina: I think so. I don't know.

Jack: Is he in prison?

Cristina: Probably, yes. He did it, though. Why did he do it? He did it for the world. He said, think of the world. There are people who are destroying the Earth.

Jack: Is so. All right. To summarize, to reiterate, in other words.

Cristina: Yes. He said artists. Artists tell you, think of the Earth. That's why I did it.

Jack: He thinks the Mona Lisa is responsible for something. He thinks the Mona Lisa is ignoring the problem. Okay, wait. Right. So worry about the planet.

Cristina: Who is telling. He's telling her.

Jack: He's so angry at her. What does she do? Why isn't she worried about global warming and stuff?

Cristina: Exactly. So he was sent to a psychiatric unit.

Jack: Okay. Yeah, the nuts. That's fair. That's fair. He was very angry at the Mona Lisa because of what's happening to the world.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, okay. Let's take a look.

Cristina: That makes the story. Mike.

Jack: Maybe he has no. Like, you know, just let's. Let's just assume he's not f****** crazy. And maybe it's just a weird situation that we're not understanding. And to him it made perfect sense. Maybe this would make sense. So how do I think it makes sense? Perhaps this guy has no idea what that painting is about, and he has no idea how old the painting is. Maybe he just knows that's a famous painting. And maybe he thinks it's a painting of a person who's actively, currently, right now, famous. Like alive. They're just an old person. Live.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: So he has no idea. And so he thinks that the world is here. Oh, man. Every time I see this museum, everybody's in there. They're looking at the celebrity. They're always looking at the celebrity. And there's so much suffering in the world. Then this thing that Ukraine happens and whatever, and he's this aggravated that I don't even see this person show up on tv. I've seen the painting a million times. I know what they would look like if they showed up on TV talking about the issues. But they're always, at least enough that people come back regularly to look at a picture of them. So why aren't they talking? And he just had it. And one day he's like this stupid b**** I've never seen in my life. F*** you. Here's a cake. You should be worried, you horrible person who's just so vain that people just look at you and he thinks that's a person who's live right now.

Cristina: There's no way. Because then why would they take him to where they took him if they. He thought that. Because that's kind of reasonable. If he thought that was a real person.

Jack: I guess they don't know this story.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They're just like, he threw a cake and screamed, it's your fault.

Cristina: He didn't just throw a cake. He walked in there. Not walked in. He was in a wheelchair. He rolled in there with a woman's wig on.

Jack: Okay, yes. I forgot you said that part. I feel like I stroked out.

Cristina: You pretended to be an old lady.

Jack: I feel like I stroked out immediately after you said that and blocked that whole part out and only remembered that this man threw a cake at it and tried to reason that mess out. But no, he walked in there.

Cristina: He wheeled in there, Wheeled in, rolled in there. He rolled in there in a wheelchair with a wig on, pretending to be an old lady.

Jack: Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Cristina: He's not old. He's like.

Jack: Hold on. 36. Did he need the wheelchair either? Like, was the fact that he was in a wheelchair because he didn't require the wheelchair and so he was. It was weird that he was on one or was the wheelchaired fellow wearing a wig?

Cristina: I'm not sure, actually. So it could have been just a wheelchair.

Jack: Like, it's. Is it a guy who already has things wrong with him?

Cristina: I don't know. I like to imagine that. No, no, he was like. He was a normal dude.

Jack: Same as the wig. The wheelchair just did.

Cristina: Not prop.

Jack: Yeah, it was just. How funny if I went in there.

Cristina: But I don't know. Like, how would you do it, though, if you. If the wheelchair is not normal, how did you woo yourself in there normally? I mean, I guess it's not a hard thing to use. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're also pretending to be old lady.

Jack: Is he pretending to be an old lady or did he look obviously like a man with a wig?

Cristina: I don't know. They described it that he disguised as an old woman, so there must have been someone convinced.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: This wasn't a.

Jack: It doesn't mean that disguise was by any means. Couldn't.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It could have just been that this guy wore a wig. I guess I would have just said it. That Way, Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: A man in a woman's wig or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. It could have just been a guy in a wig. Like, why would they say old lady? He must have been trying to be an old lady.

Jack: No. Yeah, Fair. That's fair. You're totally reasonable. He was definitely. No, I mean, he could still be trying to be an old lady and look like a dude. Yes, but I'm saying, like. No, he had to be at least convincing because it would have just said.

Cristina: A guy in a wig.

Jack: A guy in a wig. No, the fact that it was a disguise.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Means that he was. It was a lab.

Cristina: And the wheelchair. Like, if he wasn't already disabled. Like, they would just say a disabled guy with a wig.

Jack: No, I don't feel they would have addressed it at all.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Or they would have tried to be casual about it. Like the. A man wearing, you know, disguised as a woman, wheeled himself into. So that they just brush over the fact that he's in a wheelchair as opposed to making a point of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, because it's not important to the story. But they can still inform us about the guy he wheeled himself into.

Cristina: Yes, but no, he disguised himself as a lady.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. And you said you mentioned the volcano earlier, right?

Jack: Yeah. To throw the goats in.

Cristina: There was a story where a guy almost fell down a volcano. A young guy. He was trying to take a selfie, probably, and his phone dropped into the volcano. So he was like, let me go get that.

Jack: Let me go down into the volcano and get my phone.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I mean, look, movies and video games have people going into a volcano, but it makes sense because the volcano is just a mountain with a hole that gold that goes to the center of Earth. But, like, it's still a mountain. So there's holes here and there where you just climb down. Usually the big hole in the middle. And if it's not an active volcano, it's dormant. There's a lot of, like, dryness there that you could just. It's just a hole. You could go into the hole and it's rocky. It's not just a straight hole. Straight down is this.

Cristina: He's not been near that hole. There's probably giant, like, signs everywhere saying, don't be here. This is a restricted area. This is dangerous.

Jack: Probably or probably not? Depends. If it's just a dead volcano, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: Well, yes, but there was signs, I think. Yeah, there was still, like, you shouldn't be there type of thing.

Jack: Like, don't climb into the center of the Earth. It might be a problem.

Cristina: This is not a tourist spot.

Jack: I wonder, man. Like, could we, in theory, just keep climbing? Why do we need to dig all the way down? Couldn't we just walk down?

Cristina: Walk down what?

Jack: A volcano? Into the center. Where's the lava coming from? It comes from the center. Not literally the center, but, you know, like way in there.

Cristina: People die, don't they?

Jack: Yeah, but then if we already can't just go through the holes that already exist, we're like, well, if we dig far enough, we'll be able to, like, unless we. So the goal of digging deep enough is it because we know how far in lava would be, so we could stop before then and then explore that area. That would be the only logic.

Cristina: If we did what?

Jack: Again, dig deep enough into the Earth, knowing where lava begins and stopping right before we get there so that we can explore the deepest depth. Depth.

Cristina: Without hitting lava.

Jack: Without hitting lava. Also, this is some kind of a movie where they somehow made a ship that could withstand lava.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because they had to go to the center of the Earth in a ship. In a ship.

Cristina: Into lava.

Jack: Into lava. And in the center of the Earth, they were gonna detonate nukes.

Cristina: Wait, if you're talking about King Kong, they were in a spaceship or something.

Jack: It's called the core.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's a movie about a group of scientists, space scientists, astronauts making a ship. Well, no, I'm sure a submarine made the ship. It's kind of like an excavator of some sort that digs, but it looks like a train or something.

Cristina: Okay, that makes more sense than a boat. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: And so they get in this ship. Yeah. Or. Or thing, this pod. It's like a train. Whatever. They get in the thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they dive in it. It. It has lasers or. Or something that's shooting in front of it and digging.

Cristina: This sounds ridiculous.

Jack: As they're going through.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so as you're. As you're going through, the idea is to go to the center of the Earth and like, jump start Earth because it stopped and its magnetic field is about to fade away. Or some. Or maybe that's not the plot. Maybe it's like the. The Earth's heat is escap. To jump start the Earth from the center is the point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To save Earth. And then they got to escape. None of this matters. I'm just giving you a simple. The point is they somehow built a ship that could withstand being in lava.

Cristina: Did they explain it or was it like magic? Movie magic.

Jack: They probably explained it. But I'm sure if you thought about the explanation, like physics doesn't apply really. They just said a bunch of big words so the. That people who know, like the commoner doesn't know what the f*** they're talking about. So you're just gonna be like, oh yeah, the digamajugi does the whatever. Mabob.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so we're just like, yeah, totally. But like a scientist would be like, what? This is mad gibberish.

Cristina: This is. Yeah, probably.

Jack: Yeah, it's probably how it happened.

Cristina: King Kong, though. When they go to the center of the Earth, it's another world.

Jack: With the sky.

Cristina: Yeah, with the sky. What?

Jack: That sky is underneath us. Yeah.

Cristina: Or inside us. Not underneath or I guess both is. Right.

Jack: Well, here's a way to screw your mind up. If everything repeats in every direction and everything is visibly equal in every direction, why wouldn't there be a sky beneath us? And we're seeing a sky, but we're also like the sky we're seeing is within a dome and somebody standing on the other side of that dome with their own sky and this just repeats infinitely. Like, why wouldn't it?

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: It checks out according to what it seems reality is.

Cristina: Sure, that could work.

Jack: Yeah. So as crazy as it is, also like, seems like a. Like a coin flip away, I guess.

Cristina: But I hope our center of the earth does have. What was in there. Godzilla? King Kong?

Jack: Both.

Cristina: Both. No, King Kong comes from somewhere on earth. On top of Earth, I guess, whatever. On a random island.

Jack: Isn't Godzilla also just some sort of experiment gone wrong?

Cristina: Yes, actually. Yes. Okay. I don't know. What's the explanation?

Jack: Yeah, I don't know which one of these f****** came from the other side or is.

Cristina: Or both of them did.

Jack: No, that's where the evil robot making people are, right? That's where they made the evil robot in the center. I don't f******. Whatever.

Cristina: I didn't see this movie.

Jack: Neither did I. I'm just guessing at this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Look, the point is everybody should watch King Kong vs Godzilla. Because it was a great movie.

Cristina: We should watch it and then talk about it.

Jack: Oh, s***. I like that. We should totally. And then we'll come and report.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: Maybe we can do like those shows and we'll have a whole episode just dedicated to unpacking Godzilla versus King Kong.

Cristina: I wonder how much is there to actually unpack.

Jack: Man, I'll turn this into homework. I'll take notes and everything we'll have. We can have a full conversation about King Kong. Versus Godzilla.

Cristina: All right, we'll do that. Yes, yes, let's do that. Well, anyway, this guy who fell in the volcano survived.

Jack: Yeah. Because there's probably no lava on the volcano. It's just he fell and I don't. He probably just came back and told people in town, hey, guys, I fell into the volcano and came out, hey.

Cristina: There was another guy who fell into that same crater and he died.

Jack: It's probably because he hit his head on the way down.

Cristina: And then another. A child fell in and fell into boiling mud. And then his parents tried to save him, and then all three of them died.

Jack: How does anybody know this happened?

Cristina: They find the bodies? I don't know. I don't know. There's someone's job to clean out the volcano from the dead bodies of the people. Like, they just know people are gonna fall in there.

Jack: So, like, the news quickly breaks down when you think about it. Right. Like, where coming from. If people. If everybody who experiences this diet.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who's coming back to tell us?

Cristina: They have to. I guess people. No, the people who are like, hey, my. My parents disappeared. Where are they?

Jack: And they went up to the volcano. I know.

Cristina: Like, yes. Or that area.

Jack: No, not even. So how. What's the order of. They can't do anything.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Because they would also die trying to get to these people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So how do you know the order of events?

Cristina: That would have to be the order.

Jack: No. Why. Why couldn't they all have just fallen in?

Cristina: Oh, yeah, they could have. No, I mean, like, someone told.

Jack: No, no, no. I'm sure somebody found out. How do they know the details of how it happened? This person fell in first. People trying to get him out. Out. Fell into. How do you know they didn't all just jump in? Like, hey, boiling mud party, guys, you know, like, how do we know this isn't another guy's situation where they're like, you know what I'm thinking? Into the bushes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Into the bushes.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Because of how their bodies looked, I guess would tell them everything.

Jack: No, no. It's like squirm and scream and die. You changed your position. Just jump in and freeze.

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe someone was tape recording this specific family. Maybe there was a fourth member who was like, nah.

Jack: And he's back and he's like, you guys would have believed what I just saw. You think I'm crazy, but all my family just jumped into sound like, I did this. Please don't take me to jail, but my family. Okay. Oh, my God. Cops. Cops. I'm horrified. I'm horrified. Look, I didn't do anything. I did not do anything.

Cristina: I feel like that's suspicious already.

Jack: How do you get my. My God. No, you. How do you.

Cristina: Yeah, look straight out.

Jack: Say it, my fam. Oh, my God, My family just jumped into the volcano. Oh, my God, My family just jumped into the volcano. My little brother fell in. Yeah, I guess, I guess. No, it checks out. Checks out. You panic. Oh, my God. My little brother fell in and then my parents tried to get him and it fell in and then everybody was screaming and I couldn't do it. Oh, my God.

Cristina: Oh my God, I couldn't do it.

Jack: That's so. Okay, yeah, if it checks out, I could see that.

Cristina: That totally checks out.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It would just be panic. You cuz this too premeditated. If you're like, I didn't do it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Even if you didn't, you began way suspicious.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. Even if you did nothing, because they're definitely gonna. Like, even in the moment, they might think about it, but they'll have that recording. Yeah.

Jack: They're gonna be like, man, how weird that this person immediately began with a disclosure of their innocence.

Cristina: Yeah, that's really sus.

Jack: That's super sus. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: But you see how innocent I am. I would. I would 100% begin like that and be like, guys, I totally didn't do anything, but. And I. Innocent. I know this guy is innocent. I'm making him up as I go. I know factually he's innocent. Yeah. And I'm still like, hey, guys, I didn't do anything, but look like there's nothing more suspicious. Dude, I didn't think you did anything until right now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I didn't even know anything happened until you told me. You didn't do the thing that. That I didn't know existed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, like, now I only associate the thing that happened with the potential that maybe you were involved.

Cristina: Like, real crime that's happened. Like when you find out the kid killed the parents or whatever. That's always how it is. Like, I didn't do anything. I just walked home and my parents were dead or whatever the story is.

Jack: Yeah, they were like this when I found them.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Or the husband's like, oh, I just stumbled. Like my wife fell down the stairs or something. I didn't do anything. Like oj.

Jack: Oj like, no, I came in, it was like this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They don't know. OJ didn't even call the cops right Somebody else had to find a body.

Cristina: He was probably, I don't know. He definitely did it though, right?

Jack: Like, I don't. Allegedly. I don't know, man. I was, I didn't solve this crime.

Cristina: But look, they all based it on a dumb glove.

Jack: Like according, I don't know because. According to who? Right? Like media. Media says the people, the lawyers I've never met because of the research. They didn't do that some cops did, that they didn't meet. They're just trusting that these people do their job really well, but that these people are getting underfunded any and they don't have the resources. All cops are like, we're underpaid. This person's probably stressed. Who did the entire, you know this, the CSI people who went in and did the investigation. This guy was stressed as. We don't know, bro.

Cristina: Have we watched him try to put the glove on his face?

Jack: No. I remember it was all tiny and s***.

Cristina: But no, like, did you see him even really try? Like, did it look like he was trying to put the glove on?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Can I see you real quick?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Why did they get him to put the gloves on on top of gloves?

Jack: The gloves that he already had on were leathix gloves. They wouldn't create any real large barrier between his hand and the other gloves.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, it's very strange.

Jack: It's so that he doesn't get the, the gloves, he doesn't get his fingerprints on them, he doesn't touch them, none of his body oils or anything get on the gloves so that later they could be like, oh, we found this bullshit on here.

Cristina: Why didn't they just buy new gloves?

Jack: No, it has to be the same gloves that were at the crime scene. It's the gloves that the crime was committed with.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So you have to try them on to prove whether he could fit the gloves or not that were found at the crime scene. I know factually those gloves were the things holding the murder weapons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So if he couldn't fit them, he can prove his innocence. But if he could fit them, well, even if he couldn't prove his guilt, you would have one more piece of innocent, one more piece of evidence against him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To made sense to do that.

Cristina: Interesting and strange. It's just so strange to have that as an evidence to watch him put gloves on.

Jack: I mean, the same thing would apply with like, if we knew for a fact the exact shoes that were at a crime scene.

Cristina: Oh, and have the person try them. Wrong.

Jack: Yeah, they would have to try the shoes on. If they fit perfectly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. You know. Yeah, this is the same idea.

Cristina: That's interesting.

Jack: Well, look, we're running out of time, right? So to summarize the things we've learned today. Actually, f*** summarizing the things we've learned today. Basically, we need to get you to take a bunch of photos of your feet, put them on an onlyfans, and I suppose advertise your feet also on Twitter so that people then go to your onlyfans for essentially the same photos, except they're giving you money for it this time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're gonna have you wear different socks on and sell the photos. But one lucky individual gets to buy whatever socks are in said photos, and they'll buy those for thousands.

Cristina: Why? Because we should fart on them.

Jack: Yeah, we should. You should fart on your. On your sweaty workout socks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're gonna make it. I'm your manager here.

Cristina: We'll make a killing out of socks that were fart socks.

Jack: That's gonna be our business. We're just gonna call it sweaty fart.

Cristina: Socks to sell to people who have goats. Their goats will love it.

Jack: Sweaty fart socks, man. D***. This is gonna be great. We're gonna be rich. Does not feel like appropriate merchandise for this show. How would we even make that happen? It would be impossible. We'd need to hire people.

Cristina: We need to hire people so then.

Jack: Walk around in the sock so that we can have a lot of merchandise for the floods of people who would be buying all the socks.

Cristina: Okay, so wouldn't. Why would they want just random people?

Jack: Because they want smelly socks, period.

Cristina: Oh, okay. It's just about now selling.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We need to.

Jack: We need to mass produce these socks so we can make a killing.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: I'm thinking about big money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not like, not small family owned business.

Cristina: But do they need to know who wore the socks?

Jack: No, no, no. This. Screw this home owned, family owned business sock bullshit. We're trying to be like Walmart. We squeeze out these little bottle farting b****** and these stupid sock selling jackasses and we're gonna have a f****** enterprise. I am in the empire business.

Cristina: Farty socks. Farty sweaty socks.

Jack: Sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Sweaty fart socks. Okay?

Jack: That's all that matters in the world. Sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Yes. Let us know if you would be into some sweaty fart socks.

Jack: Everybody wants the sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Mm. Mm.

Jack: Look, if you guys want to keep. You want to. You want to follow, you want to understand and follow this Journey as this business, this new startup we're about to launch, starts to take form. If you guys want to be in on the ground floor of sweaty fart socks, you can follow our socials, where we'll be putting all that information at Twitter, Instagram and tick tock at just come of a pod, you know.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. That's how you're gonna find out. And let us know that you are ready for this new venture, the new direction we're taking this show in.

Cristina: Yeah. And let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Also send us a comment. Do you want sweaty fart socks?

Cristina: Yes. Tell us. Like, look, tell your friends that you know would be into it and tell them to tell us.

Jack: Y. Oh, yeah, that's totally. Makes sense. So word of mouth, you know, look, if you want us to make a.

Cristina: Fortune, would they want us?

Jack: Or if you want sweaty fart socks. Look, look, the point of the sweaty fart socks are on the table now.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's. It's a joke and we're kidding. Unless somebody's like, but I'll pay for it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then I'll be like, hey, hey, you want to come? We need to talk. Look, there's a money offer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this is a reality now. We're going to get. Get paid for your sweaty fart socks.

Cristina: Of course. Of course. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Okay.

Jack: Penguins are the troops. They are quick mobility in arctic conditions, and they survive the arctic conditions quite effectively. They can swim. They can walk. There's quite an abundance of them surrounding the entirety, making sure nobody crosses the Arctic wall without a pass. And. And on top of all that, they leave and can get quickly to the overlords and inform them if somebody did make it over.

Cristina: Oh, okay. What? They, like, quickly walk because they're not very.

Jack: They can swim.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, they're swimming. Okay. Why can't they fly? Why not make them to be able to fly like that?

Jack: It's already cold. Why would you put them higher up where there's less ability to stay warm?

Cristina: Because they're not living things. Or are they? Also, they're live. They're alive.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They're man made, but they're living creatures.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's what you get when you merge something like, I don't know, like, what's a really fuzzy short thing?

Cristina: Hamster.

Jack: Insignificantly tiny things. It's a chimera of sorts. Who cares what things emerge? It's a chimera of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then part human, actually.

Cristina: Part. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, but these are people who signed up for it.

Cristina: Part human, part robot. Is that what's happening?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Oh, okay.

Jack: It's all biological. It needs to be able to survive in the Arctic. They can't be delivering batteries and s*** out to the middle of West Bubba. The resources wasted would be absurd.

Cristina: I don't know. I thought they were, like, sun powered or something.

Jack: That would make total sense considering how few trees there are outside there.

Cristina: Yeah. So. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and Published by Great Thoughts.info Art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 24, 2022

Rambling 193: Words and Stuff

September 24, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who decided what words mean? Why do those people have the right? Why is communication so difficult? And how come strangers want to flash us instead of talking to us? The duo unpack language and all its quirky little features relative to today’s society!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Chatroulette
The Internet
The Rules of English
How Language Works
Webster’s Dictionary
Urban Dictionary
Amnesia
Multiple Personalities
Anime Tropes
Soap Operas
Perfect Communication

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean? Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Jack: Yes. All thinky and whatnot.

Cristina: All thinky?

Jack: Yeah. Cuz words.

Cristina: Cuz words? Yes.

Jack: I mean, right. Who. Okay, who's gonna tell me thinky isn't a thing? If I said thinky, you. You'd know exactly what I meant. No, think by thinky. If I were to say, like you could just use. English is so intelligent. Context clues. Gives you all the information you need to know. So I'm like, man, that puzzle's real thinky and I can't solve it. You know what I mean?

Cristina: I sort of.

Jack: Yeah, like you can assume, you can assert, you can figure it out. It's there. That's. That's.

Cristina: It's really all it takes.

Jack: That's really all it takes. So who says thinky isn't a thing? If I can convey a thought with thinky and you can catch that thought, then it. It served its purpose. It worked.

Cristina: It worked. Yeah.

Jack: The purpose of language is just communication. And the purpose of communication is to try to convey to you the thought and feeling that I have for the thought, I guess the same time, as accurately as possible. And that's like trying to calculate something's position and its speed at the same time or some s***, you know?

Cristina: But this is all things inside of you that you're trying to pull out.

Jack: Yes, that's. Well, that's the purpose of communication. Communication is to just convey that thought. And your opinion on the thought, I suppose, to make them feel. But we can't do it. A hundred percent impossible. But that's the purpose of it. And if thinky can do that, then it's a word just as much as any other word because it served to communicate something super exact. So who's to tell me the thinky isn't.

Cristina: I guess, right? Yeah, it works.

Jack: Cuz it just. That's how Cuz words.

Cristina: Cuz the words.

Jack: Definitely words. Tell me. No cuz words. No. You got to come and fight me. You got. You got to convince me. No.

Cristina: No to thinking.

Jack: No to cuz words. Oh, I can make any word work, but in theory, anything could be. That's how slang happens, right?

Cristina: Yes, exactly. How slinky happened.

Jack: Yeah. Like slang is just random s*** that people. It's. Slang is to a cult what language is To a church. Okay, so both slang and a cult are way small. Small groups of people, local, while language and a church. Well, you're only a church, not a cult, because you've been around a while.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: When the word has been around a while and it's so common that the majority has it, it's no longer slang. It's just commonplace. Yeah. It's just a church.

Cristina: Because the dictionary is. I guess the church and little words are just.

Jack: That's crazy. Who decided, dude?

Cristina: Who? Who?

Jack: Okay, first of all, which dictionary is the one that's God?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Is it Webster? Why do I feel like it's Webster?

Cristina: There's like, a bunch, though, aren't there?

Jack: There's totally a bunch of different dictionaries.

Cristina: That's the one.

Jack: You know, though, which of the dictionaries is the one that all the other ones are just following behind? Is it Webster?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Is that way. That's like the big kahuna.

Cristina: Is that like, just a person who's in love with words? Like, I mean, the original dictionary? I guess.

Jack: What is. What the f*** is happening there? Because think about this. They're just. They're choosing this. Is it a team of people who. I. Why do they get to choose which word is a word? It's just. That's weird, bro.

Cristina: I use Dictionary.com. they're full of words.

Jack: Yes, but why is Urban Dictionary considered less legitimate than, like, Webster Urban Dictionary, huh? You get my point? This is what my thought is saying, like, why is Webster the thing like, Urban Dictionary is just, like, those are real words that you can communicate. Yes. A bunch of troll s*** is written in there, and just people being a*******. I get it. But a bunch of that s*** is actual real words that people use as well.

Cristina: It's really hard to find, though. Like, you can't just go into Urban Dictionary and find the word, like, randomly. Like, you would just get the troll words. It's hard unless you know of the word you're looking for, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. That's the whole point, Right? Like, you want to find the definition of something you heard.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's what a dictionary is for. I mean, I guess some people discover words in a dictionary.

Cristina: Yeah, but what if you want to discover words like, how do you know in at least in that dictionary?

Jack: Well, that's probably not the best dictionary. That's the same like Wikipedia, which is just an encyclopedia of all things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That, like, because of the amount of incorrect information in it, it's useless like, no, that's incorrect.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, it's astoundingly useful. It's a shortcut to general information that's mostly reliable, and it's a good starting point for you to do other research to confirm and get real data.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Fantastic.

Cristina: That is fantastic.

Jack: I feel like Urban Dictionary is that.

Cristina: It's.

Jack: It's that for words.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: It's like, you can. It's not the best place to, like, go find a new word. We can find the new word if you wanted to. And that's like, a good place to at least start and then look for other definitions of the word.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: She can still learn, I guess.

Cristina: Just a lot of it's so dumb. Like, a lot of it's just names. I don't know.

Jack: Yes. People just insulting other people. That's all it is.

Cristina: There's people insulting other people. They know.

Jack: That's.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. That's like. It's crazy how that's like chat roulette. It's like the amount of dicks you'll come across here.

Cristina: Do people still use that?

Jack: Probably. There's probably a couple of variants of this. I know there are. I don't know your names, but I know factually, there's a couple of different variants.

Cristina: Like the one that starts with the. Oh, that's similar, right?

Jack: Omegle. Yes. I think that's the more popular one now. Chat Rulet is probably, like, the ancient one.

Cristina: How ancient?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Ten years ago, maybe.

Jack: I guess. I guess. Because you got to think about it this way. We're talking, it exists on the Internet. Like, how f****** long ago could it have really been? Like, the Internet just kind of happened. So, like, anything big like that. Yeah. At best, I'll give it like, 15 years. It existed.

Cristina: Okay. That's a long time.

Jack: You know, Internet, so young. 15 years ago, you hit face. I met MySpace.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: D***, you go back 15 years, you could hit MySpace. No, it might have been a little after MySpace, right?

Cristina: What, the shot? Whatever.

Jack: No, just 15 years ago.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Is 15 years ago still after the death of MySpace?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But yeah, Chat Roulette and Omegle is a popular one. I think Chat roulette's the other one. Yes.

Cristina: Were you on that?

Jack: I was on Chat roulette, yes. Mad dicks.

Cristina: Are you on Omegle?

Jack: No, I've casually jumped into Omegle. But there's also mad dicks also.

Cristina: I don't know if I'm saying that word right.

Jack: I don't. I Don't ever know if I'm. If I've never heard. I've. Okay. Like, I know I sound redundant to anybody listening because I've said this before, but if I don't. If I've never heard somebody say the word, I don't know if I'm saying it right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if I only read it, like, how the f*** do I know?

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like that's how we see it. Like when people put videos on it on YouTube or something, like clips. You're just reading the title that says the word. I don't think the people actually say it while they're in the clips, because that would be weird. They're already, you know, they're doing the video. Do they say, I doubt it.

Jack: I don't know what you're talking about.

Cristina: If you're on. If you're watching a clip From Omegle on YouTube, like someone pranking someone else, they're not gonna say look at me on whatever that is. Omegle. Yeah, they're not gonna introduce the website. I mean, it's on the title. Unless they do. And I just don't remember the word that they're using to describe Omegle. Is it Omegle?

Jack: I think it's Omegle. How else would you say it? Okay, spell it out.

Cristina: Omogo.

Jack: O, M, O. Mugle. E. Omi.

Cristina: Omegle. I have no idea.

Jack: No, I think it would be Omegle.

Cristina: Omegle.

Jack: Omegle. I think it's Omegle.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe. It just sounds so weird. It's a weird word.

Jack: I think in order to change the sound of the E in a lot of circumstances, we need an H. Omegle.

Cristina: Like meh.

Jack: You know, it would be meh.

Cristina: Meh.

Jack: So otherwise it would be me.

Cristina: Okay, so it's probably omi.

Jack: What other sounds E do?

Cristina: Just me and me.

Jack: No, no, just anything followed by E and ending on E. How many sounds.

Cristina: Can we get ending with E?

Jack: Yes, Just things that end in E.

Cristina: It could sound like nothing. Like have ends with E. Oh, f***.

Jack: Name.

Cristina: Name.

Jack: That E is silent.

Cristina: Exactly. Ending with E is silent.

Jack: But that. That's weird because that E changed the M. Right. Instead of Nam, that M became some whole other s*** name. It actually changed. It affected the M and changed the A.

Cristina: Did it change the M? How did it affect the M?

Jack: I guess it didn't affect the M. It changed the A. Only.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, that's how it works.

Jack: Changed the A from nam to name.

Cristina: Yeah, that's his job.

Jack: The E'S job. Right. So the E doesn't really change. The E is the changer.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I kind of dies because it ends a lot of words.

Cristina: Yeah. Changes a letter and then dies.

Jack: It becomes useless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird. And I know that's not, like, even a rule in English. This is a weird pattern that exists.

Cristina: That's definitely a rule in English.

Jack: That's a rule in English.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: Like, if we took a profound English class, it would teach us that for whatever reason, E affects a vowel before it.

Cristina: I feel like he learned that in, like, first grade or something.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Vowels affect each other that way. No f****** way.

Cristina: Yeah. I feel like when they give you spelling bees and stuff like that, when they're trying to teach you how to.

Jack: Spell words, then I don't. What the f***? Then again, I don't remember my f******.

Cristina: You don't remember?

Jack: I don't remember anything.

Cristina: Because you're. You're one of those many characters that people make up online. Yeah.

Jack: Oh, for message board. Like RPGs.

Cristina: Yes. What do they have?

Jack: They all have amnesia.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, there you go. Amnesia. You have amnesia.

Jack: Yeah. No, no, no. They all have amnesia. That's fascinating to me that that's so common, especially in those. Any kind of role playing scenario. And the anime world.

Cristina: And the anime world. The anime world filled with amnesia.

Jack: So much amnesia.

Cristina: So does dramas, soap operas, Soap operas love amnesia.

Jack: But soap operas don't just love amnesia. Soap operas have, like, super, like a Resident Evil game. There's just like a lot of s*** they're all gonna have.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, like Resident Evil has the lab. That's always gonna happen as the rocket launcher that gets thrown at the end. It has the boss that always has to mutate into something bigger. You know, it has all these things that are always gonna happen. Two characters and you gotta split up for whatever reason. You know, always the same s***. And like, soap operas have, like, there's like an evil twin.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: Always. And there's always like the guy in the hospital that everybody, like, visits. She's in a coma sometimes. Yeah. I. Is it two people in a hospital because they go and visit the sick. Oh, no, because one is a sick dying person that's not in a hospital. That's like in a room somewhere in the attic or some, like the granny or some crap to old dying person. Yes. In bed. And then there's a person in the coma that's usually because of the evil brother or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Twin brother.

Jack: Yes. And then there's always the gun.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they show It. And it's in, like a drawer or some s*** like that, you know?

Cristina: Yes. And there's always someone with amnesia.

Jack: There's always one with amnesia.

Cristina: Yeah. Makes sense.

Jack: But why is that in soap operas? And why is that in anime? And why is that such a role playing thing?

Cristina: There's something cool about it. Not cool. I don't know. Because you can.

Jack: It's lazy. It's lazy writing. You don't need an origin story. You're just like that.

Cristina: Or you have an origin story you just don't want to reveal right away.

Jack: Interesting. And you want.

Cristina: You want to build it up. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Unravel it little by little.

Cristina: Because then it's going to be shocking when we know, oh, the guy with amnesia was, I don't know, a prince the whole time or whatever.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting. Interesting, man. I guess that is a shortcut to cool, but it goes back to lazy. It goes back to lazy because you're taking the shortcut no matter what. It's an easy way to just. Instead of being clever and coming up with a new way to do it.

Cristina: With a new way to reveal things without making a character either have amnesia or just be extremely mysterious.

Jack: Yes. No. The. Oh, my God. Amnesia isn't even the only thing. And it might be the less, the lesser of the two things.

Cristina: What's the.

Jack: Now that I think about it. Oh, no. Oh, no. It's the one with the two personalities.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That has way more common in all of the things we just talked about.

Cristina: The two personalities are crazy different. Like Jaco and Hyde.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Banner and Hulk.

Cristina: Ah. It's everywhere.

Jack: It's everywhere. It's everywhere. You just think of Harley Quinn's two moods. Oh, man. It's everywhere.

Cristina: It is.

Jack: Yup.

Cristina: So do you have. You have amnesia? Do you also have the true personality thing? Are you also a character?

Jack: Yeah, man. I'm probably. Because you gotta understand. You gotta understand. The. The origin story is really complicated. It has N*** Germany and it has robot technology. There's ghosts involved. It's. It's a mess. There has to be, like, several different lives going on.

Cristina: Okay. Makes sense.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That is too complicated. It's pretty complicated. We'll figure it out, though.

Jack: Yeah. Using words.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because that really is how it works. Right? Just fascinated by just being able to say tricky.

Cristina: Tricky.

Jack: Yeah. Because it's not a word, but it kind of is.

Cristina: Tricky is a word.

Jack: Is that what I said before?

Cristina: Tricky, Thingy.

Jack: Thingy.

Cristina: Thinky.

Jack: Thinky, Thinky. Yes.

Cristina: Well, thingy is really a word that people use. That isn't a word.

Jack: Yeah. Actually, that's a better example. People probably use thinky as well. But thingy is definitely not a word. Or by now it probably is.

Cristina: It probably.

Jack: Is it probably in the God of dictionaries or whatever.

Cristina: Thingy.

Jack: Thingy.

Cristina: Mm. It's an awful word.

Jack: Now, who is the, like, OG word N***? Let's. Let's find out who that person is. A person or people or, like, who's choosing? I just want to know who's choosing.

Cristina: They're called lexographers and I'm looking up the word a writer, editor or compiler of a dictionary. And they don't add new words to the dictionary. That's not their job. They're not making up words. They're just seeing what words are being used by a lot of people.

Jack: So they do what's already. I guess they're collecting data. Yeah, yeah, they're collecting data. It's already how language works. So it's like whatever people decide is a. Whatever people are using as a word, they'll just record if it's popular enough.

Cristina: Yeah. It just has to be used by a lot of people. Used by those people largely in the same way. Like, it has to have the same meaning between these people.

Jack: Yeah. It can't be, like, completely radically different from one person to another.

Cristina: It's likely to stick around and it's used and it's useful for a general audience and that's all they need. And that's the word when that is already a word. But, you know, that goes in the dictionary.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it checks out, because I feel like that's the only way to do it. Right. You can never control how language works. But then the problem is, if it's only going to the majority at all times, the words that are used by the majority, then it completely ignores words used by minorities by default, by definition. So if the majority of a country, for example, who predominantly uses language, although I suppose they also might include words from England.

Cristina: What, in the dictionary?

Jack: Yes. Like in. Again, using Webster as the only one I know off the top of my head, which is why it's the one I'm suspicious of, because, like, how are you this overpowered that I know of a dictionary, but does Webster collect British words?

Cristina: I don't know. If they're a dictionary for English words, then I'm assuming no. Unless they're borrowed English words, which would be a lot of the words anyway.

Jack: Wait, British is English.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like. No, I know we use the same words. But I'm saying, like, they have words that we do not use.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like they. You call the toilets something else. Or wait, they call it whatever they. You call the bathroom something else. Something like that.

Jack: Yeah, whatever.

Cristina: You know.

Jack: Not the point. Yeah. Yeah, but I know what you mean.

Cristina: Those words would not be in our dictionary.

Jack: Yeah. So they would, for a fact, not show up.

Cristina: I would think so.

Jack: Got you. Okay, okay, okay. Because that's.

Cristina: If it's a dictionary specifically for Americans, this is dictionary for English, then English is really complicated. And I don't know how.

Jack: Yeah. Because this is too many.

Cristina: It's too many. Yeah.

Jack: But I guess that would be the different definitions we see. Right. But also. Okay, yes. Here's the thing. We see different definitions for a word in a dictionary.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which means they're not taking just one meaning for it anyways. They're already sort of giving you several of the meanings for the word.

Cristina: Yes. But those. It's probably because the meaning of the word changed over time. Like, it was very popular for this meaning once upon a time, and now it's this meaning, like. Or sometimes there are words that you would use differently. You use one word differently depending on the sentence. So I don't know.

Jack: Yes. But I still stand by. I think urban dictionary is probably the best tool for communication at the time.

Cristina: For the best communication.

Jack: The best tool for communication because you can understand sort of a more nuanced part of language. I guess you'd have to go through, like, if you were learning English and you wanted to just basic communication and get everything out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You go through Webster. That's the kind of dry, you know, sit down at a desk kind of thing. But then, like, the jazz player is the urban dictionary, which is the. The nuanced kind of tasteful other things you could say.

Cristina: You just gotta be careful on what you pick, though.

Jack: Well, obviously. But I'm saying that the sort of. Its position relative to it is sort of that. Sort of. Kind of. Just the more loose kind of not boring.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like, you couldn't understand a lot of those things without going through Webster first.

Cristina: You need both, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, we definitely need one first. You don't necessarily need the other, but the other one will add.

Cristina: Definitely add. But they're both good to have. Because then you understand things that you probably wouldn't with urban. Like, I don't know who would be using that. Children. The urban dictionary, like, is that words just children are using. I don't know.

Jack: No, I think it's just all the words, all the Words. Words.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Or all the popular words.

Cristina: All the popular words.

Jack: I don't know how popular word has to be in order to get there, though. It's just a. Has to be real popular. What the h*** do you mean by.

Cristina: Popular, then, in urban dictionary? I don't even think it needs to.

Jack: Be popular on Webster. Webster. Oh, like, let's think about this. If a town, a single town uses.

Cristina: The word, is that enough?

Jack: Is that enough? This just one town, small town, let's say 500 people in this town. Is that town qualified? Okay, so if no, then there's number. Right.

Cristina: But does it matter where it's at? Like, does it have to be a word spread out? Like, how do you determine? Like, maybe if the town has its own dictionary for some reason, then, yeah, it would be in there in their dictionary. That's how it works.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. I guess there's a general dictionary. Like, all these words, obviously, to everybody just mean this.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the first part. And then all these words are from where you're reading it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or from where it was bought or from where it was originally made.

Cristina: Bought or originally made?

Jack: Yeah. Like, the area where it came from is essentially the region of earthworch came from.

Cristina: Would they have that in the dictionary? I wonder how it works, because we couldn't. We couldn't find how many people actually they need to say it's a word.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know. It's so vague. Right. So I don't. I don't understand. What number is it that they're using? And why do we allow certain things like this to exist where some of the information seems not even real?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, the number they're using to judge this, it's, like, not there. They're not sharing it, or they're intentionally keeping it away. And for whatever reason, nobody's questioning it.

Cristina: Because no one's gonna do that. Work themselves.

Jack: I guess that's work.

Cristina: Or I'm assuming it's a lot of work. Unless they're just making things up. That'd be crazy. If a word. No, because, like, if they try to make something up, someone will notice. There's no way you could just make up your own word, add it to the dictionary, and then no one's gonna question that.

Jack: You could say it's. I mean, if you're saying it's from a random other place, but they could look that up. Now they can.

Cristina: I don't know how they worked before, but now you can make sure that the words in the dictionary are actually words.

Jack: Yeah. No, you're totally right. Because there are things like just the Internet. So freaking overpowered.

Cristina: Mm. So it's. I don't know. Like, do you think people used to sneak in words?

Jack: I bet they have. I bet. I bet a couple of words got in there.

Cristina: Just made up.

Jack: Yes. Like straight made up words, but the people thought were actual words because maybe they were just clever enough to choose something that sounded right.

Cristina: Yeah. And they got a really good definition that made it work. That made people were like, I want to use this word.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: This feels right.

Jack: I think in a situation like that, maybe not like faking a word, but in a situation like that, the common use of the word is the goal. That would be real interesting to choose something that had, like, a real cool sound to make it popular.

Cristina: What do you mean? Like, you're not gonna make up a word.

Jack: When you do make up a word.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But you get. If you're gonna make up a word, might as well choose a word that's gonna sound so astounding.

Cristina: Choose a word.

Jack: I mean, you're making English. Yeah. To make a word, you're inventing a whole word.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, like, that's just interesting because we're saying that this is just recording. There's no creating. None of the people working on these dictionaries are making up words. No, but what if. What if, like, let's say there's six of them? What if all six of them are like, we're gonna make up this word, though, and everybody's gonna think it's just from a region that they're not in. How could they prove it wrong? You don't know which region it came from. We're just generally throwing it out there.

Cristina: What if someone just asked, though, like, to say crap. What?

Jack: Why would they have to say, I.

Cristina: Don'T know, because you're trusting them to do that? I don't know.

Jack: To tell you. Yeah, that's in Webster's dictionary.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think there's like an origin. I'm sure there are origin stories for words. Like, I'm sure in. In like Wikipedia, you can find something like that.

Cristina: The origins of some words.

Jack: Yeah. Probably find the origins of all words.

Cristina: But in Wikipedia.

Jack: Yeah. Wikipedia has all that crap. Actually, that's probably the source we should be going to for things like this.

Cristina: What? Yes.

Jack: Now, if there are things like Wikipedia, there's things like Webster, and their ultimate purpose is to inform and assist with communicating you know, rapidly with casual information, even if they're not the most reliable source of. Reliable enough. Not 100%, but it's like 95 is pretty solid, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why aren't they the mainstream? What's stopping them? Wikipedia has actually become the mainstream. It has kind of replaced encyclopedias as a whole. But it seems that urban dictionary does struggle. It's kind of not well known and it's been around a long time doing what it does. It's known. It's not such monstrously big that it even slightly competes with the classic dictionaries.

Cristina: Yes. Because most people probably see it as a joke. I don't know. See, so much of the words are.

Jack: Trolley words, I guess. So I guess the problem is that all the words that get submitted get posted no matter what. No matter what.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that is an issue. That is an issue because it's like a giant thread of definitions and you could write kind of whatever you want on the thread or not. It's not really a thread. It's on top of the other. But it's like a Instagram comment fashion. They're stacked on top like messages.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it'll ever be as good as a regular dictionary unless someone does monitor it. But then that takes away from the. What makes it special. Yeah, Just any word is a word.

Jack: Now. I wonder if anywhere in the world there is no such thing as a dictionary. Like they, they. They've never been told the words. Like maybe they don't understand the concept of language and they can continue to speak. They do speak to each other. They have words and everything, but they don't understand. Like maybe some lost tribe that couldn't comprehend the idea that you made this all up.

Cristina: I don't know what you mean.

Jack: Like, language is made up inherently. Yeah, but these ancient people, do they believe they made it up or do they believe there's just something natural about these words? Even if somebody technically made it up down their bloodline? Yeah, they probably attach some meaning to it. And it's like we've always talked.

Cristina: You don't think they have it written down?

Jack: Depends. Not everybody writes everything down. On the flip side, who the h*** knows? There's that one tribe that used to tie knots and tell stories and count that way. And it's like, what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: Like, how is this.

Cristina: What? Isn't it the same thing with like, the Egyptian, the photos? What are those words? The hieroglyphs, Are they not the same? Maybe.

Jack: Yeah, but we're used to stories told through Pictures, not stories told through how many knots are tied on a string.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: Like, how is that a story? How. What? I couldn't. How did you figure? How'd they figure it out? How'd they.

Cristina: That has to be a lie. To make it up together, there has.

Jack: To be fake news, right?

Cristina: Yes. Aren't there people that just whistle at each other to communicate? Yes.

Jack: Oh, that's so weird. I remember that.

Cristina: That feels like. That's more believable, I think.

Jack: Whistling at each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because you can make it different, right? Like, there's different tones to it. No, actually, now nodding does kind of make sense in a kind of Morse code type of way.

Jack: Nodding.

Cristina: Making knots into stories or whatever.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, I guess so now that you say Morse code.

Cristina: Yeah. So, yeah, I guess. I guess anything could really.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No, you broke it down. You broke it down. Because at the end of the day, Morse code is just 1 and 0. So if you can just convey 1 and 0, you have a perfect communication system.

Cristina: That's all you need.

Jack: Because you can make it more complicated than that. Just with 1 and 0.

Cristina: Mm. So with the knots, it's gotta be the same, like, the size of it, how far they are from each other. There's different details that we would not be able to tell. But these people who are reading it.

Jack: And even if we figured it out, there's probably mad nuance. We haven't.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But then is their only way of communication through these nods?

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: They just spoke normally. But they didn't have writing. They just did this instead.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure they writing now. I mean, that was probably before they had writing.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: I mean, it had to be. Right.

Cristina: It had to be. That's just a weird thing to be like, I can write, but let's play with string instead.

Jack: I'm gonna make a whole. Not spiderweb so I can teach you something I could just say out loud in, like, a second.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no way.

Jack: Yeah. It's so inefficient. It has to be for artistic reasoning. Right. That's the only way those knots would make sense.

Cristina: Like, even before, if they didn't have anything to write and they just had a bunch of rope for some reason. Like, that's the most common thing for some reason. That's why they communicate with ropes.

Jack: So the goal here, I mean, not the goal, but the idea here is they learned how to knot before people invented rope.

Cristina: Before rope.

Jack: Yeah. They had to learn how to knot before rope.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Where are they getting the folk?

Cristina: This is civilization before paper.

Jack: No, my bad is the other way around. They learned how to rope before they learned how to talk. That's where I'm getting at. Because they've. If they know how to talk.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then they already know they have words.

Cristina: But if they don't know how to write it down or like that's not the first thing that they thought of to do was like.

Jack: So like, I can speak to you right now, but I don't think of anything else other than in knots. Other than words coming out of my mouth.

Cristina: Yeah. Like you picture in knots as well. I guess. Like how we can picture these words as words, you know, on the text, your, you know, regular Alphabet letters.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You know that because that's what everyone uses. Because that's the thing we do. But like, if we just didn't have that, like, why did we choose that? Like, maybe they just evolved differently or whatever. Like.

Jack: Yes, 100%. When we look at a different places, the country, different countries, characters, it looks like just not language. If you're not used to seeing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Looks like random nothing until you get familiar.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly.

Jack: Exactly. So I'm assuming, I guess that that's what we were facing here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Sort of removed. It's only strange and not a thing because I'm not used to it, but the more I get it, the like. More. Yeah. Of course it works.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Think of it.

Cristina: It's probably the way they sent messages to each other. I don't know.

Jack: Like, I feel that's crazy. I mean, I guess you make a cool, intricate looking, like dreamcatcher appearing thing and then you send that on the trip and then they look at it and they're like, wow, this dreamcatcher informed me on everything I needed to know.

Cristina: Or maybe the person who wants to tell the story is the one that makes the rope and it's to remind themselves of the different parts of the story. It's not to actually give the other person to read the story because maybe they wouldn't be able to understand the story. Like, what if that's how it works? If you make the story yourself, you put points to remember the story and then that's how you tell the story to someone else.

Jack: You use it as a reminder.

Cristina: Yes. As a reminder.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Does that make sense?

Jack: I suppose, because.

Cristina: Because it's so weird to imagine that everyone's understands that story of that rope. Whatever rope you.

Jack: Yeah. Because had. How do they know that you're There has to be room for interpretation and that kind of restricts it. But then again, there doesn't have to be room for interpretation. We just like that.

Cristina: But yes.

Jack: Like maybe everything just means one thing and doesn't need context.

Cristina: It could, but it could also be just a person knows. I don't know. That's so. I wonder if there's anything else. Okay, there's the rope thing and there's the whistling thing, but that's it.

Jack: Role playing.

Cristina: Rope thing.

Jack: Roping. Roping Rope thing. The rope thing.

Cristina: The rope thing.

Jack: Oh, the rope thing. Yeah. Make the nodding.

Cristina: Making knots. Yes, making knots.

Jack: Yeah. This makes me wonder how many of these. Actually, I was gonna say like, you know, old languages or translations from something that isn't even necessarily a spoken language or words, but something like nodding or hieroglyphs or something in the translations, we definitely lose something. Like there's no way. We're a hundred percent spot on with what we're talking about when we're trying to convey. Oh well, this is what this picture might lay up. Maybe.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, but even today, with really extremely well known languages, let's say some of the most popular languages in the world, Spanish, English and Mandarin. In those three languages, from like English to Mandarin, how much crap is lost simply because like we're estimating and we can get pretty close. Somebody can know both fluidly, but also they still know the estimations. Like it's natural and that's. They don't even think of it as an estimation. But really if you sat down and thought about it, there's probably words that don't even exist in the other language. So you can convey that. You have to say a bunch of other words to try to best get to that, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So you're losing something. You're never really saying exactly the same thing. You're just getting close.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's weird.

Cristina: That's weird. But that's what communication is sort of communicating what's going on inside.

Jack: You're always trying to communicate as closely as possible, but never 100% because it's impossible.

Cristina: Yeah. That's impossible. To both share the feeling of thinking like all of it all, whatever is up there. There's no way it's so.

Jack: But then it doesn't even matter because they're not. They never lived. Your perspective to have your filters to affect the information and think about it. Your way to then understand the emotions are feeling in the first place or the opinion they've got relative to the thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because you Gave it to them. No, they need to also get your experiences in that con or the experiences relative to that thing, which could be. So.

Cristina: It's complicated.

Jack: It's complicated. It's so impossible to get somebody to understand. But you can agree to a bunch of crap.

Cristina: And you.

Jack: You know, some of the things in, for example, language. Some of the things in language won't convey what you're trying to say. You know, you go in agreeing that some of the things won't put. The majority of. Will psycho use. Very useful. The majority of the things, I think will be able to be conveyed not perfectly.

Cristina: No.

Jack: But better than the zero that if I didn't have this way of communication.

Cristina: That's why we always have new words. That's why the dictionary has to keep growing.

Jack: To do it better.

Cristina: Do it better. Yeah.

Jack: Specific. Yes. We're always trying to get closer. The closest would be. It wouldn't even be cloning because that would just. You break off the second you're cloned, Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. It has. It's crazy. No, it's really just in a moment, not through permanence, because impermanence defeats the purpose, but for a moment, to be able to convey a perfect thought with emotion, opinion, and, like, every experience is attached to it that you're just like, whoa, I get it. Literally 100% to the same degree that you do.

Cristina: That doesn't sound possible. Doesn't sounds crazy. Like, how would you be able to do that?

Jack: Yeah. But I mean, I guess. I don't know. We consistently, as humans, think we got s*** in the bag, but we probably. With language particularly, we probably got a lot of crap wrong.

Cristina: Like, what do you mean?

Jack: Just language in general. We probably got a bunch of words from one language to another. Even within our own language, we sit here and debate. England says this word this way, we say it that way. Same thing happens in Spanish. I actually have a better example there. Marica is an insect in Spanish, but also marika could be a gay person. It's a slur for a gay person in Spanish. So they're totally different meanings. The same thing goes for the actual word gay. It means happy, but it also means homosexual.

Cristina: Mm. But you know how the person. What the person means when they say whatever they're saying?

Jack: Because the context surrounding it. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Like, it's hard to confuse what they're talking about. Unless, like, that. That's really hard to imagine someone being confused by that.

Jack: Yeah. But I guess. I guess it's too. I guess English is pretty solid. Most elixes are I don't know.

Cristina: A guesstimate is good enough. Just being close to the right answer is good. It's passing. It's fine.

Jack: Yeah, because it achieves the goal of communication. Getting close.

Cristina: So do you want to guess some urban dictionary words?

Jack: Sure.

Cristina: Because it shouldn't be that hard.

Jack: All right.

Cristina: It's English. Yeah, I think.

Jack: Urban dictionary. Okay, so what am I doing? Explain it.

Cristina: Okay, I'm going to tell you a word. You're going to guess the meaning of the word. Then I'll give you a sentence if you need it, with the word. And then do I give you the definition? I was thinking, no, I should give you the word. I don't know. You ask what you want. The definition or a sentence after you guess what the meaning is. Okay, no, the definition will give it away. I'll give you the definition if you get it wrong.

Jack: What I'm trying to do is. The definition.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, I'll give you a word. You guess the word, I give you example. If you fail, you guess again, and then I'll give you the actual definition if you fail again.

Jack: Okay, that makes sense.

Cristina: Get two tries. Yes, that makes sense. Okay, the first word. Potaint. Potent potaint.

Jack: Something about the a******. Po. I don't know. A pooped. You pooped your taint.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A poopy taint. S***** a**.

Cristina: Very close, very close. Do you want a sentence?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The potato screamed when I kicked it in the potaint.

Jack: Oh, it's just an a******. The b*******.

Cristina: It's very specific.

Jack: It's a taint. Yeah, it's a taint area of a potato.

Cristina: It's the soft and sensitive part of a potato.

Jack: Oh, s***. Okay.

Cristina: It's a pot taint.

Jack: Cat. You.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Very close, I guess.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Mourn hub.

Jack: Okay, Mourn Hub. Hub is p***, but mourn. It's necrophiliac p***. Mournhub.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: You said mourn Hub. Yes, mourn Hub. It feels to me like it's. It's like death dot com, you know? It's like necrophiliac p***. A tube is also. Tube would make me think p*** is.

Cristina: A. I'm gonna give you the exact.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Okay. Person A. Got any plans tomorrow? Person B. No. Well, I'm going to my dad's funeral at the p***. Sorry. Mourn Hub. Person A. Oh, man. I'm sorry about that. If you're feeling mourny, I'll give you a call. I know someone to give you someone you might like. Ignore. Morning. That's the Next word. Or one of the words, but. So do you know what p*** crap mournhub is?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Has nothing to do with p***, okay? It's just a nickname for the funeral home.

Jack: I would never have guessed that.

Cristina: Okay, so ridiculous crap. Why does it sound so much like pornhub?

Jack: Pornhub doesn't make me think p***.

Cristina: Morning. What do you think that is from the last thing it was mentioned? What could it be?

Jack: I don't know. What is it?

Cristina: There's a feeling of extreme horniness during times of great emotional pain.

Jack: Okay, so morning.

Cristina: Yes, Morning. While h****.

Jack: Morning.

Cristina: Wooden onesie.

Jack: An uncircumcised d***.

Cristina: Oh, I have to read this. Okay, this sentence is so horrible. Or because it has an accent, but whatever. Me mom's prettier than you and she's sleeping in a bleeding wooden onesie.

Jack: I don't get it. And she's sleeping in a. This is the sentence.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Say it again.

Cristina: Me mom's prettier than you and she's sleeping in a bleeding wooden onesie.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: The term originated from Ireland used to define a coffin.

Jack: So it's also about death.

Cristina: Yes, they're all about death. No, they're not. How about COVID version?

Jack: A person who hasn't caught Covid. Or it's the first time catching COVID.

Cristina: They haven't caught Covid or taken any of the vaccines. That's a Covid version.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: You know some Covid versions.

Jack: Probably.

Cristina: Kakamamie. Kakamami. Kakamami.

Jack: Kakamami.

Cristina: Mamie. That's probably how you say it.

Jack: Mamie.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No idea. Give me a sentence.

Cristina: This cockamamie washing machine never works properly.

Jack: Say what?

Cristina: This cockamamie washing machine never works properly.

Jack: It's a company. It's a piece. It's an insult. A piece of s***.

Cristina: It's crazy.

Jack: This crazy? It means crazy.

Cristina: I don't know it. A word you use when you cannot. Can't think of the proper terminology. That's so dumb.

Jack: It's like f***.

Cristina: Hot. Af. That should be easy.

Jack: Hot as f***.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Blip.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Blip.

Jack: Blip, Blip. Spell it.

Cristina: B, L, E, P. Blep. Blip.

Jack: I don't know. Give me a sentence.

Cristina: Tiger is just sitting there with a blank look on his face and an adorable blep.

Jack: Get the f*** out of here. I don't know. What's the definition?

Cristina: A cat sticking his tongue out.

Jack: Oh, my God. Nobody would know that.

Cristina: Do you need an fobby? You know fomo?

Jack: Yes. Fear of missing out.

Cristina: Okay, now guess. Phobia, phobi.

Jack: Fear of.

Cristina: You can do it.

Jack: B*******. Backing phobe. What's it.

Cristina: Okay, try the opposite of fomo.

Jack: Well, no, no, no. What was the word? Oh, phobia, phobia. Fear of. I'm over it.

Cristina: Fear of being invited.

Jack: Oh, that's not the opposite of. Fear of missing out.

Cristina: Well, you don't wanna be in.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So it's kind of the opposite.

Jack: No, because in the other option, you're not avoiding anything either.

Cristina: Yeah. One is you wishing you were there. One is you fearing being there.

Jack: Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

Cristina: Okay. Should I give you one more?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. C*** wobble.

Jack: A c*** wobble? Yes, It's a limp d***.

Cristina: That's. Andrew is such a c*** wobble. That's not even helpful at all.

Jack: That isn't what Isn't a completely useless.

Cristina: Person that spouts constant bullshit.

Jack: Oh, I know those people.

Cristina: You know some cockwobbles.

Jack: I know, I know. I've met many cockwobbles in my life.

Cristina: You gotta use that as part of your dictionary.

Jack: Like my language.

Cristina: Yes. If you're gonna use any of these words, it should be cockwobble or blip.

Jack: Not cockwobble.

Cristina: Not cockwobble.

Jack: No cockwobble.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because it's gonna make people think.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Wow, this cockwobble thing is serious.

Cristina: Yes. I'll give you a few more. Nikki.

Jack: Nicky.

Cristina: Nakey.

Jack: Nakey is nude.

Cristina: Nude? Yes. Pretty much. It's chilling without any clothes on.

Jack: No, the chilling part is just added. You don't have to be chilling to be nakey.

Cristina: No, because that's naked. I guess it's like being able to live freely without clothes or pressure from others to put some on.

Jack: Interesting. You could be naked at home.

Cristina: I guess that's pretty much the easiest place to be. Nakey.

Jack: Yeah. Or a nudist colony.

Cristina: Yeah, but someone running around outside. Nakey problems. Yeah. Yes, problems. The next one is lawyer's lawyer.

Jack: Lawyer's lawyer. Person likes to argue. No, a debater.

Cristina: A debater. A lawyer's lawyer. When the crimes you commit are so bad that your lawyer needs to get a lawyer.

Jack: So ridiculous lawyer ends up needing a lawyer.

Cristina: And the next one is unfuck withable. I don't know if I'm saying that right. And f***. Wisible.

Jack: Yeah, but that's an easy one. That's just somebody who won't take s***. No wake. F*** it. You're gonna immediately snap back.

Cristina: Mm. How you get some of these? Like two, three of them?

Jack: Yeah, but those Are easy. Is it truly weird, like, intentionally picking, like, crazy, unknown ones that makes it difficult?

Cristina: How about recession dating?

Jack: What the f***? Recession dating. That's picking whatever's out there. Like, settling for less.

Cristina: Pretty close. You go out on a date with someone you're not interested in to get a free meal due to the state of the economy.

Jack: Okay, but that's literally just what the name sounds like.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, one more. It's don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining.

Jack: I've heard this saying before.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Don't p*** down my back and tell me it's raining. What is that? Don't lie to me. Don't betray me.

Cristina: Whoa, whoa. Two of the three? Because it's pretty much, yes. Something you say when someone lies to you, cheats on you, or betrays you. So you got that one.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough. See, that's. That's life experience. That's an easy one, too. I've heard that one before many times, so. Yeah, but we're running out of time anyways. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: All right?

Jack: It doesn't matter. The point is that communication sucks, and we all suck at communicating.

Cristina: But words are great.

Jack: But words are great. And language is pretty dope.

Cristina: So use some of these, especially in Blip.

Jack: Blip. Anyways, if you guys want to listen to conversations of this nature, maybe there's more of these. I don't know. But these other episodes in what we talk about, a bunch of other crap. We probably discussed language at some point in the past. Probably not directly, but I'm sure we, like, circled it.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure we have.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, there's like, 200 episodes. You can fish to to find that.

Cristina: Good luck.

Jack: May the force be with you. But you can find us outside of the show at our social medias with clips and stuff, and you can find that. That's all Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram, uscometvopod.

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Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. The most important thing since the creation of toast. Why do people say that this is the best thing invented since sliced bread or whatever? F. I don't know. Sliced bread is badass.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But, like, also, it's not loaf bread.

Cristina: It's not that amazing.

Jack: Take a seat. Sliced bread.

Cristina: There's better things than sliced bread. Peanut butter.

Jack: I think it's just convenient. Oh, I think it's convenient and good tasting simultaneously. I think that's what catches people.

Cristina: It's so boring, but okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Pretty much better than pizza. No, I let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Word of the mouth, powerful talk, invite talk.

Cristina: Say these words.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: That we've taught you.

Jack: You've learned much.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Somehow Penguin Day and Martin Luther King Day are so close to each other, considering how related those two things are.

Cristina: How those things are related. But I have a question, though, because from what we talked about last time, we don't have penguins. I mean, do we have penguins?

Jack: No. Penguins aren't birds, okay? We. We have a creature that is bird like, that has been manufactured, okay, to survive in Arctic conditions.

Cristina: And we call them penguins.

Jack: And we call them penguins, all right, because their flaps are used to push them through the water. But the flaps look like wings. We're like, that's a bird. But, like, we all know birds aren't real.

Cristina: Yeah, that's why I was confused. We gave a whole day to this fictional thing.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no. Penguins are the protectors of the Arctic Wall, and it was created by the overlords on the other side of the wall.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 17, 2022

Rambling 192: What Climate Change?

September 17, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who are the reptilians and how are they associated with adrenohrome in the public eye? How do the Jews work their way into the mix? Who is connecting all these random dots? The hosts are. On today’s episode, the duo unpacks a series of conspiracies that attempt to link Reptilian, Jews, Adrenochrome and how the New World Order is using Climate Change to profit!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Increase in Temperatures & Heat Waves
Rising Sea Levels
Warmer Oceans
Increase in Frequency of Storms
More Extreme Weather Conditions
Less Agricultural Land
Mass Evacuations, Loss of Homes and Displacements
Increased Seasonal Allergies
Outdoor Jobs Becoming Impossible
Drop in Water Quality
Food Prices Sky Rocket

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And right now, let us just continue what we were talking about right before, which was we were trying to think about what people in general think conspiracy wise, about even Hard to explain. It's like how all these random three pieces are always connected, Right. But then they spiral out. So it's Reptilians, the Jews.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: What was the third piece? Adrenochrome and Adrenochrome. Somehow everything connects. So just spitballing. And we landed at. Already just using these three. The fact that. Because again, every conspiracy leads back to. We began by saying every conspiracy leads back to the Jews, but then we were like, well, it also goes back to Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. And also the lizard people.

Jack: And also the lizard people.

Cristina: Also at the. But at the end of the day, the Jews are the lizard people, and.

Jack: The lizard people drink adrenochrome. That's the logic people use. Okay, so. So the Jews heard the Reptilians, and the Reptilians drink the adrenochrome. Fine, great. But then you think about something like the New World Order, which is a group of people trying to unite all the governments under one ideology, one leader, one secret group. Super mega elites. But the super mega elites are also lizard people. The Jews. Oh, but the Jews are the lizard people.

Cristina: Yes, yes. Who are trying to keep us out of Antarctica. Is it?

Jack: Oh, crap. Yes. Yeah, yeah. They're trying to keep us, I guess, out of the Arctic and the Antarctic birth border.

Cristina: I see. Flat earth border borders. Yes, yes. While they live underground.

Jack: Yes. That part is a huge, huge, huge. I don't know how those two groups of people, like. Well, no, I guess they. They're not the same people.

Cristina: They can't be.

Jack: They can't be, because the flat Earthers think they come from the other side of the wall. There's no center of the earth.

Cristina: Well, they both. That's around the same thing exists, though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Which is.

Jack: They just think its origin is different, I guess.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like the. The. The ground Earthers just think they come from the center of the Earth, and the flat Earthers just think they come from the other side of the wall.

Cristina: But they just come from somewhere different than where we're at.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Is there another one that they just think they're aliens from space. Probably.

Jack: That's probably a thing as well. Probably Scientology is.

Cristina: The lizard people are just aliens. I guess that makes sense.

Jack: But what other really popular conspiracy theory is there? So you gotta think that, like. Let's really start to unpack some of these. This is really interesting because the idea is that, like, okay, 911 was a thing. In fact, 911 just happened. Happy 9 11. But the idea is attacks happened on the United States. Tragic attacks on the country that did every other country regularly. And still doing it all the time. But anyways, so this country gets attacked. Two towers. Boom, boom.

Cristina: Some random other building.

Jack: Yes, a bunch of random other buildings.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some random other building in the area just happened to fall. It was just like, oh, no, I'm giving up. But like a bunch of other places. But then we have to think like the Reptilians, who are. The Jews who are in power, did this for Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Run the government.

Jack: Who run the government. And somehow this is related to trying to. They all have to work together. So somehow knocking down the Twin towers and attacking the Pentagon and that random building that fell, they had nothing to do with any of the other buildings and the planes falling and all that stuff that day. The events of that day somehow are just a tiny piece in establishing a new world order. It has to be.

Cristina: It has to do with them wanting money. Because it all leads back to really that power means money. And everything involved in every. These conspiracies is money.

Jack: But then money just gives you power, so you get. Wait, you said power means money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, no, because a lot of people have the money.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And not power.

Cristina: Unimaginable amount of money to do anything.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I guess the idea that you're talking about is that power is more extreme than money. Because you're thinking that they even have money. Stops mattering. They don't show anybody money. They just tell people to do stuff and people just do it.

Cristina: But they're doing all this to make even more money for some reason, at the end of the day, is to make more money. Why?

Jack: Please themselves.

Cristina: Yes. And to make us miserable. So that. I mean, I don't know. They want us unhappy and miserable. They want us. No, they want us miserable. They want us to be slaves. I don't know why we have to be unhappy slaves, but they want us to be both.

Jack: Why? What do you.

Cristina: For our money? I don't know. They want us to not have.

Jack: These are conspiracies.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Like, you know, they Want us. The elites wants us to. Wants to take away all our rights and whatever.

Jack: Yes, okay, yes, hold on. You're totally right. The elites want to take our rights and they want to under educate us and they want to misinform us. Yeah, they want us dumb.

Cristina: Dumb.

Jack: They just want us dumb all the time, just working. Yes, they want us to be machines.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But it doesn't even like the.

Cristina: To make them money.

Jack: But the money isn't even the point. No, no, no. The money is the point. We're making them thing. Yeah, we're making them money. Yes, but then they already have all the money, so the money isn't really what they're looking for. We've talked about this before. There's some power that they're essentially buying that's more important than the money. They just need the money to get it.

Cristina: Yes, but we don't know what it is. So we're all saying it's the money.

Jack: We think it's the money because we can't fathom the next thing. Because they don't care about the money. There's too many of them and they got way too much money to. They don't know it's all separated in how many banks. And it's all sketchy and underground. We're like, he's got $60 billion, but really he's got trillions and trillions. It's just an unmarked locations. Who the knows, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's not even about the money. It's about this crazy amount of power that they're somehow buying with that money or that the money symbolizes or something.

Cristina: And somehow they're using it to bring one government.

Jack: Yes, because that's what Reptilians that are Jews. And also somehow here's the problem, right? We all hear the rumors of like, oh, Jay Z, he's for whatever reason, he's the most Illuminati out of all the people. Jay Z's in the Illuminati.

Cristina: Oh yeah, yeah.

Jack: Somehow he gets tossed into that more.

Cristina: Than anyone because he has things in.

Jack: His videos that prove random symbols and crap.

Cristina: And he says it, he's like, I'm an Illuminati member, but the guy is black.

Jack: And he's, he's obviously, he's obviously not a Jew. At least not the Jew puppet.

Cristina: He's a puppet.

Jack: Okay, okay.

Cristina: The government's not Illuminati. The government, the famous people, the scientists.

Jack: Controlled by the Illuminati. Because the Illuminati is like seven dudes in a quiet Dark room. And they're not even people. They're just silhouettes.

Cristina: They're lizards. Silhouettes. I don't know.

Jack: You're not. Yeah, maybe they. Maybe they're f****** lizard silhouettes. They're just shadows in a room. They're shadows.

Cristina: And all these other people that we're assuming are part of the Illuminati are just. Yeah, puppets. Yeah, they're just. They work for them. They're just paid.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: With all the money. That's why they have so much money.

Jack: To pay the rent.

Cristina: All these people who just care about money. Like, there you go.

Jack: Oh, s***. Actually, hold on.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Let's. Let's take a step back real quick. Let's take a step back real quick. If you have this infinitely complicated, unfathomable amount of money, when we talk about something like, you know, all the scientists are in on it.

Cristina: Like, there's a lot of money.

Jack: This. That's a lot of money, bro. And scientists aren't like really high paid either, you know, like, like, it's kind of easy. You could, in theory, really, really easily. Actually, it would. It would be kind of effortless for a lot of billionaires to literally pay every single. There's not even a lot of scientists. Like, they probably have more employees than now than. There are total scientists in the world. Like these. Like, just a normal billionaire, like Elon Musk, just a guy who. We know that at least he has 60 billion without counting the shady money that he has to have. Like, just. Just what you report on your f****** tax thing, bro. You can 100% pay every scientist in the world their current wage. Probably, but. Yeah, probably.

Cristina: But what about everyone else? That's a lot of people.

Jack: What do you mean everyone else? Only the scientists are in on it. No, it's not because of doctors and s***.

Cristina: Yes, the scientists, but also the government and also the celebrities.

Jack: You know, it's enough. Well, the celebrities is crazy. But then you think about how much money must really exist. And if you're like, okay, Dr. Dre has $1 billion. Whoa, whatever. This shadow sitting at a table is. Has a hundred trillion. Does he give a flying f*** about $1 billion? He gave. He made Elon Musk 60 million. He's like, how rich do you want to be? You just got to do whatever I want. Okay, okay, here's 60. Not even. He's at 80 now, right? No, he's at 120. Right? That's where we are now. He's at 121 20. Boom. I have a hundred Trillion. If I gave you just 100 million 10 times, you'd still only have 1 trillion at that point. How much does one of these shadows give a crap about making a couple of hundred billionaire people? It's. It's so much money. It's like it's conspiracy level money. And like that kind of checks out because we're talking about conspiracies. Like, that's crazy.

Cristina: So you think there's something to this conspiracy?

Jack: No, I'm just saying that it kind of. It. It makes sense how they land on the conclusion. Like it's not absurd to think that if these people are as rich as the thought would go. Yeah, they could in theory pay everybody off between the. However many of them there are.

Cristina: But I think they have the wrong people. They're blaming the wrong people as the lizard people. If it's gonna be anyone, it's gotta be. I don't know. The church has to be involved. It's hard not to imagine the church being involved as well.

Jack: That's probably how reality works. But in the conspiracies, it's always the Jews.

Cristina: Why? Well, the conspiracy should be that it's the church.

Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't happen to be. Rarely is there a conspiracy involving the church unless the conspiracy is about things within the church.

Cristina: Yeah. They have to be lizard people too, though. Come on. I mean, I guess, like they are the top church people. The Pope is definitely a lizard person.

Jack: Yeah. Like, he's not a lizard person, but he's a puppet to the Lebanon.

Cristina: Okay. Everyone's a puppet. Not everyone, but a lot of people, I guess, are puppets.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: It's the doctors and it's the government, it's the church, it's the celebrities. A lot of people.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: It's infinite money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If there are just seven guys and each one of them has whatever you call the next mark from a trillion. So they all have however much you get. If you have a hundred trillion times ten, then they could pay for whatever and it's just like, who cares? Kind of money.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I just see stuff and s*** happens. Who cares?

Cristina: So crazy. But like, when is this giant, I don't know, global unity gonna happen? They keep saying it's gonna happen.

Jack: There's probably many steps for the new world order.

Cristina: So many stuffs. But I'm sure the COVID thing is part of those stuff.

Jack: Yeah, it has to be. The COVID has to. Okay, so Covid definitely is for Adrenochrome. The fear people were scared of it. The panic that Was thrown out there. The people who made it obviously it was some freak kind of bug that kept mutating and changing. That's really advanced technology.

Cristina: On purpose.

Jack: It was made on purpose. Yeah, that's definitely reptilian tech to cause fear. To have. To have something that when we test, we see is real. And then they manipulate, using their puppets, the media, and get the media to hype and freak people out. But they also have many people in the government because they control everything. So the people in the government then also say, oh, this is a real big problem. They're just pulling giant strings somehow.

Cristina: The mask was a huge thing. Like making that mandatory meant the government was taking away some freedom.

Jack: Yes. Not only is the government so clever that they're taking away some sort of freedom, but also those masks have something. Maybe not the mask itself has something. But the government is so smart. It knows that all those other countries that wear the masks, they don't know this fact. But the citizens, they get it. They know the truth. The government is trying to get you to breathe your own carbon monoxide and give yourself brain damage. They're not telling us that it's happening all over the rest of the world. It destroys your immune system and it destroys your willpower as well. So they can more easily manipulate you.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why they need you to wear the mask as part of the dumbing process that they need.

Cristina: And then the vaccine though, is to kill us off in.

Jack: For some people, it's probably population control.

Cristina: Yeah, population control, right.

Jack: 100%. To make some people sick. To use their DNA to make clones so that they have organs for. For the. For the, you know, the elites.

Cristina: Because they love organs.

Jack: They love organs. They love organs. They need. Oh, they always need organs.

Cristina: Make their own organs. But they need real organs.

Jack: But they're also making their own organs because all the scientists are in the organ.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So all of the above.

Cristina: But they need a lot of organs.

Jack: There's so many organs. There's not enough organs. That's the problem. There is an organ shortage. There's not enough organs.

Cristina: They're like vampires, right? Because like instead of blood, I mean it is blood too. So whatever. Adrenochrome, blood, organs.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, all of the above.

Cristina: They just eat people.

Jack: That too. Yeah, that's totally happening. You gotta understand that. They eat people and there's a bunch of children that they pass around between one another too. You know, that's also eat, scare and f***. All of the above. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so. So where are we? So Far the Jewish Reptilians responsible for trying to create the New World Order, attacking the Twin Towers in order to scare people. To get Adrenochrome in the first place, which is the same reason to get.

Cristina: Money, but also to get the stock somehow.

Jack: Yes, a bunch of stock money so that they can.

Cristina: I guess that wasn't for them. That was for their puppets. Their puppets.

Jack: The stock money was for the puppets. Because of puppets are the celebrities and the politicians.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. While the shadowy elites needed some overseas thing. No, that was for the government as well. Yeah, That's a little gift. Because again, nothing that they're winning that they're getting from this, we would be able to get to.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Just the fear that's important to them.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Then in the case of something like Pizzagate, Hillary isn't the Reptilian. She's one of the puppets.

Cristina: Yes, I know. What confuses me about the Reptilians is that they do think that celebrities and government members are also Reptilians.

Jack: Yes, you're totally right. So there's a combo of puppets and actual Reptilians.

Cristina: And she's one of them. No, I don't know.

Jack: I think she is. I think what I really do believe is that the shadowy figures are even more complicated than the Reptilians, because shadowy figures are shadowy figures. We know about the Reptilians.

Cristina: Oh, so you think there's someone. There's a group above the lizard people?

Jack: Let me blow your mind. The Reptilians are humans, the puppets.

Cristina: Oh, so crazy. Okay, but the Reptilians aren't really Reptilians, they're just humans.

Jack: No, they're Reptilians disguised as humans. Yes, yes. They blend into society as celebrities and politicians.

Cristina: Politicians?

Jack: We're just big important figures.

Cristina: Yeah. Ridiculous.

Jack: Because whatever the shadowy figures are, they're very intelligent and they know Reptilians can shapeshift to be whatever they needed to be.

Cristina: And that's important to their plan somehow. Yes, because they can clone and they can. There's so much things they could do. I depend on lizard people. Who?

Jack: The shadowy figures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Well, they don't do anything themselves. What do you mean? What shadowy figure has been out there doing any of these things themselves to get others to do them? So obviously use the most overpowered thing, the most effective thing, which would be the reptilian.

Cristina: Okay, to now to work on making one government, which is evil because.

Jack: Because I don't know. But also, that's just like one of the things that's not the ultimate goal. That's one of the goals. Another goal? Yes. We've had many conversations about how the. The New World order or these shadowy secret government people have many different. Different things they're trying to accomplish.

Cristina: They're also similar. I don't know.

Jack: No, they're not. What about sky, Laser, Jesus or whatever crap? Jehovah, the. The Rapture has come. And somehow that means they can trick people into, I don't know, more money or.

Cristina: Exactly. It's all in the same.

Jack: Is it about money?

Cristina: Yeah, it's all about money.

Jack: How if they're making people think they're gonna die.

Cristina: Oh, no, that's. I guess they want people to go to h***. I don't know.

Jack: Or heaven or church.

Cristina: No, I guess.

Jack: I don't know. Why is it. This conspiracy makes no sense already. The whole. I don't know, Like, I don't get it either.

Cristina: Just, I think to go to h*** because somehow the Antichrist is running this whole thing. He's the shadowy person.

Jack: Yes, Actually, he's one of them. Right. Well, interesting.

Cristina: We just.

Jack: Yeah, you're totally right. He's all in. Sometimes, kind of often. He's the boss.

Cristina: Yes, right. Because the whole. What's it, the microchips?

Jack: Yes. He's just clever. He's a smart a**. He's trying to get you to have the mark.

Cristina: Yes. With the social. Our Social Security security cards are somehow the mark.

Jack: No, this is what's crazy.

Cristina: Whatever this is.

Jack: What's crazy is that you can't force it on anybody. You have to agree.

Cristina: For what?

Jack: For the mark.

Cristina: Oh, yes, but that's not important because no one read it, so.

Jack: Exactly. This is why everybody is inherently wr. Wrong.

Cristina: Yes, but that's not. Yes, yes, yes, Interesting. Supposed to accept it, but I guess, like, they see that thing with Elon Musk, like that's evil because you're gonna accept it because it's gonna be normal and everyone's gonna have it. Because like.

Jack: Yeah, but at that point, if you don't have it, you starve to death anyways. Because if the majority has any one thing that society is gonna revolve around that, like, society's gonna look a little more like whatever. That thing needs to work better.

Cristina: Yes, but for them, it's the sign. It's the thing.

Jack: Yeah, the.

Cristina: Does that make Elon Musk Part of it? I guess. I mean, you already said he was of the.

Jack: Not the. I guess not the Illuminati, but whatever. The Illuminati is reptile. He must Be Reptilian. Or one of the people paid by Reptilian. See, I don't think he's a Reptilian.

Cristina: He's a Reptilian.

Jack: No, I think he's just a guy. I think there are Reptilians. People think. A lot of people are.

Cristina: He's not just a tech giant dude anymore. He's a celebrity tech giant dude. So Reptilian.

Jack: Because. Celebrity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes. Okay, I got you.

Cristina: Yeah. Some. He transformed. He. What was it? He sent his body. His. His. I guess his human body into space.

Jack: Interesting. To be frozen by the cold of space.

Cristina: That is weird. I don't know the conspiracies. Like, he sent. If he sent a dead body out in space, who would know?

Jack: Who would know? He could have just covered up a murder on live television.

Cristina: That would be awesome. That's so crazy.

Jack: He has the money to hide the body in plain sight.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we could have seen that. Maybe when he's, like, 95 years old, he decides, okay, I want cameras on me. I feel. I feel the light is coming. I need to let everybody know. And he just drops that bomb.

Cristina: That would be crazy. It only works if he dies immediately after.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know. Like, why would he confess that as an ODIN person? Like, he has to know he's on his deathbed.

Jack: Okay, walk me through it. How would it happen?

Cristina: He's on his deathbed and he does do the press so that he dies. Maybe he takes something to die just.

Jack: So he can talk about it.

Cristina: Yeah, he just talks about it and then he bites into the pill or whatever. They'll never take me alive.

Jack: Yes, Fantastic.

Cristina: Beautiful. And also, man, there's so many conspiracies involving the lizard people, and somehow global warming has to do with it too, because it's a lie.

Jack: Yeah. Yes. I don't understand here. I know what you're talking about, and I don't understand that one because I've never heard, like, a. An example of why or how. I just know. They say that, like, yeah, it's happening.

Cristina: No, it's not happening. They say, no, no.

Jack: That the lie is happening.

Cristina: Oh, the lie is happening because something.

Jack: Something like, I never get the reason. It's always like, no, there's no such thing as global warming. Why is there. No, I mean, not global warming. Climate change. Climate change isn't real. Okay. Why?

Cristina: Because it's not happening.

Jack: Yeah, that's usually. That seems to be the logic.

Cristina: Or it's not caused by humans. They might think it's real, but it's not human.

Jack: Cause we are part of the Earth, like all the other things on it.

Cristina: Or it's not like a threat, if it's happening. Is that possible? I guess it's not important.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So dumb.

Jack: What word is it you're looking for?

Cristina: Huh? With a word?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No, I'm just trying to come up with reasons why.

Jack: Oh, okay.

Cristina: It will. What is it? I guess the craziest one is, like, it's gonna advance Jesus coming back or whatever. So does that make it a good thing? Climate change is gonna lead to the end of the world, right?

Jack: Yeah, it's good. It would be. But the end of the end of the world doesn't mean the return of Jesus. It could be way more. Could be the end of the world as we know it.

Cristina: Well, for them, is the end of the world. Is Jesus okay?

Jack: Yeah. So that wouldn't be the end of the world, then. That wouldn't speed up the arrival of Jesus.

Cristina: If it's the end. If it leads to the end of.

Jack: The world, what do you mean? It's just gonna linger until the end of the world?

Cristina: Or climate change. Yeah, it's gonna speed up.

Jack: Yeah. Then it doesn't matter what happens on Earth unless everybody's boiled off. And still I'm pretty sure a divine entity would be like, it's not time. Like, I. I chose a thing. I don't give a s*** what happens.

Cristina: Well, they expect him to show up when they're alive.

Jack: Okay, yeah, it's probably not happening.

Cristina: That's probably not happening.

Jack: If there is a God, there's no way he's just gonna be like, I'm gonna go play with the ants for a while. That being said, there is a series of things that would happen, like the obvious things, you know, with climate change.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: Like the return of Jesus would. Won't be triggered by this, definitely, but the increase in, like, temperature on all of the planet, that's something that definitely will happen. The climate. Climate change is waves that naturally occur of heat shifting on the planet because of how it wobbles, because of how it moves, because of the distance of the sun. All of the above.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And there are periods of desert, and there are periods of rainforest. There are periods of floods and periods of dry hellscapes.

Cristina: And because of that, we shouldn't worry. We should worry.

Jack: None of the above matters, just the fact of the matter.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. It's neither here nor there, but the. It cycles all the time.

Cristina: But because it cycles, though, shouldn't there be a little worry?

Jack: Because there's nothing you could do about it.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: So why worry? Worry about what? What? What are we gonna do that we're worrying to have the focus towards.

Cristina: Fixing it.

Jack: Fixing what?

Cristina: I guess there's nothing to fix because it's already natural.

Jack: Yeah. It's just nature doing things.

Cristina: Yes. Not be shocked when it happens.

Jack: Yeah, for the most part.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now one of the things that it will do, other than increase the temperature so drastically, is increase the water level as things melt around the world.

Cristina: That's kind of cool.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I mean, it's not, but I don't know, it's just making a whole different world.

Jack: Yeah. Over time. Over time, all of this is gonna change.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, the way it was made now is due to a bunch of the same crap that it gonna change it later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So just a matter of time before a supermassive volcano goes out and then everything is doomed.

Cristina: Are we gonna drown first?

Jack: No, we dissolve, suffocate. What, the cloud of ash?

Cristina: Oh, yeah. No, I mean, but are we gonna drown by the water increasing before a supermassive volcano erupts?

Jack: There's no way to know the answer to that because volcano eruptions are totally random.

Cristina: So the water wouldn't affect that at all.

Jack: Yeah, they're totally random. The water would just keep rising consistently and the. Yeah, so. Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Just random.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But would a supermassive volcano really, like, end. It would end the world though.

Jack: Yeah, it would end the world, but it's unlikely that it would happen at all. So, like, it's way less likely than just drowning. We're definitely gonna drown sooner than we are going to suffocate from a supermassive volcano erupting and raining ash down on Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: On the flip side, these volcanoes could end up underwater and be of no consequence.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Or still be crazy, absurdly consequential, even underwater. Well, I don't think because they're super massive, I doubt that there is anything that's gonna rise and cover them.

Cristina: That's gonna rise. Like, what do you mean?

Jack: Water. The water's not gonna rise so high that it's gonna reach some of the higher points.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So there's going to be still some of these volcanoes out.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: While everything else is underwater.

Jack: Exactly. The volcanoes might experience no difference.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there being higher water levels and higher temperature simultaneously means that the ocean itself is going to be warmer. And that means a lot of fish can die.

Cristina: Well, everything's going to be dead over time. Are the fish gonna be first?

Jack: The fish that require Temperature to be very specific. Yeah.

Cristina: Tropical fish. Don't they need specific water?

Jack: Well, it's gonna be tropical.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: It's gonna be increasingly hotter, if anything.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: The cold places are the ones that are gonna have no fish.

Cristina: Oh, so sad.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. And because of these warmer oceans that are killing creatures and maybe making others thrive, there will be a significant uptick, which has actually already begun, of storms. Like thunderstorms.

Cristina: Okay. Like just all type of storms.

Jack: Hurricanes and tornadoes and stuff. Well, not tornadoes, hurricanes. Anything that requires warm water.

Cristina: Like the hurricanes.

Jack: Hurricanes and tropical storms and stuff like that. They all require warm water to be fueled.

Cristina: Are earthquakes at all affected or is.

Jack: That just random earthquakes and. Yeah, no, I don't think so.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because earthquakes is moving giant plates underneath the ground. I mean, I guess I have no.

Cristina: Idea how that works.

Jack: Like, maybe water gets down there, but would that stop anything? It's still just shift.

Cristina: More fire.

Jack: More fire?

Cristina: Yeah. Where? The places that deal with fire as a natural thing, like Florida in Australia. Not Florida, Canada. California. That's what I'm trying to say.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. Go back. More fire. What?

Cristina: Like, they'll have drier seasons.

Jack: Oh, more fires would happen. Yes, yes, yes. There would be way more fires everywhere. Yeah.

Cristina: Would that be normal in other places, though?

Jack: Yeah, this is normal already in a bunch of places. You mean like, would it be normal in new locations? Yeah, probably. Starting with the center of the country is very desert, like.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess hurricanes will still be, like, towards the water area.

Jack: Yes. Because hurricanes require the warm water. Except the water is going to come closer in, so the hurricane will have way more water to take from for longer.

Cristina: They're gonna be bigger.

Jack: Yeah, well, that's because of the increase in temperature in general.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they need heat.

Cristina: What's our planet gonna look like?

Jack: It's way bluer. It's gonna look way bluer. And given enough time, cities are getting collapsed. There's gonna be few organized things happening. When the s*** really hits a fan, there will be many survivors, but they won't have, like, giant governments and stuff. Although I'm sure some people will try to recapture the magic of the old world at that point.

Cristina: Yes. I guess. I don't know. What would that even be like, huh?

Jack: But these crazy changes won't just lead to, like, hurricanes. But think of these flash floods that just suddenly come through or these crazy hail storms. And, like, all this s*** is gonna happen at random because there's way more fluctuations of temperature happening in the sky. One of the craziest things that those drastic changes in temperature and extreme conditions for these. For the weather in general are gonna cause is the destruction of a lot of agriculture, land, you know, to grow crops and crap.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Many are gonna be drowned. Many are gonna be scorched.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anything that isn't in a perfectly moist spot is f*****.

Cristina: We're gonna lose a lot of food then. But we're already losing a lot of that anyway with those moths. Celestial danger. I should have looked that up.

Jack: The lanternflies.

Cristina: Yeah. I want to know what's happening with that. But I don't know. But those are eating a bunch of the crops, right? Still happening? I think so.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. And that's definitely something that's gonna affect the world for sure.

Cristina: Is that part of global warming when.

Jack: Not even a little. Not even a little. Some unrelated other thing when bugs from.

Cristina: One part of the world go to another.

Jack: Yeah. And then mass produce because that area of the world wasn't ready for. It's a craz impact on the environment.

Cristina: Why are all the bugs attacking over here first? What is it? The giant wasps?

Jack: No, that didn't happen. First the lanternflies, then they did flies happened three years ago.

Cristina: And the wasp thing two. Oh. I don't know. It all seemed very like at the same time. I feel like I heard about them at the same time. But. Okay. They'll kill us first before all this storm happens.

Jack: What will?

Cristina: Huh? The bugs will kill us.

Jack: Oh, the. I mean, I guess they're not gonna kill us. They're not gonna kill us. The famine is gonna kill us.

Cristina: Oh yeah. So the famine that they created.

Jack: Yeah. They will starve to death. But it was the. They didn't like land on us and eat us themselves or anything.

Cristina: No. But we were gonna die no matter what.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. As all the land gets drowned and all the. Although I guess all the land that's really low gets drowned and all the land that's too high up gets scorched. We'll also have to because of this migrate further north as things get hotter and we seek mountains and colder weather.

Cristina: We'Re gonna seek that.

Jack: We'll eventually have to seek it as the world continues to get hotter and the water level continues to rise.

Cristina: But then the elites won't let us go there. Because that's where they're hiding.

Jack: Yeah, I guess there. I mean, I guess they would have left the space already.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: What's going to be weird is if the water level does continue to rise slowly, we got one of two things. For a lot of people adapt where you Live to the coming conditions. It is gradual. It's not going to be like overnight it went up night. It's just little by little. But it could. It could still be drastically little by little. Like through the course of a year when I'm like two feet. That's a lot.

Cristina: That's a lot.

Jack: That's a lot. That's like just a couple of months. Your driveway ceased to exist, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Two feet sounds like very little over the course of a year, but that's excessive.

Cristina: There are places, though, that are dealing with things like that right now. Yeah.

Jack: And a bunch of these places are adapting. Some people moved their houses onto stilts way ahead of time, seeing this come. Other people live in areas that relied on rivers that have dried up. And their houses were already on stilts. So they've turned the bottom of their homes into cage railways so that people can walk. Yeah. They put. They use the already existing stilts that their house were on and then put platforms connected to them, created passageways. And now there's a civilite. Like their homes are on top and their city or their town is the wooden planks over the little bit of water at the bottom. Because the water used to be way up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Their houses were on stilts for a reason, but the water came way down. Now it's this little splash of water, you know, like a foot of water. But they went ahead and they constructed everything. So they walk over the water, but they already have their houses such high up on silts that they can stand fully erect and still have, like, a full roof distance above their head in this area. So they went ahead and they use that extra space and created walkways. And people have some stores directly underneath their house where they just put merchandise and people walk by on the. And just interesting ways to adapt. There's an entire group of people whose town started to flood as the water level rose, but again, very gradual. So all they did was slowly make their homes float. Make their homes float while still connected. Before, their houses were just next to each other on stilts. Eventually, they put their houses to the. Because the water was rising around them, the stilts weren't going to matter. They had their houses kind of just hovering right there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But then the water starts going up. What's their solution? They make their homes connect one to another and float. So they have floated the wooden logs, rafting techniques and junk like. And it's not such a high, crazy amount of water from where they are. Actually, I don't think their houses were on silts to begin with. I think these people just had houses laying down normally. And then they remove. Not attached. I mean, they were attached to the ground, but by wood. It was just. It was poor. It was a poor place. It wasn't like super advanced, like a modern home that you somehow got a dig up now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, it's a village. A village of people with houses made of just old school sticks. Wood that hasn't been carved too complicated. And they got like aluminium roofs, basic things. But then the water starts rising up around them and they just put their. They turned their homes into sort of floating log houses. And then they're. Floating log houses are chained together or tied together.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's wooden log together. Yeah, there's wooden log walkways holding the wooden log houses together. So you walk in between all the houses and it's like alleyways, but the whole.

Cristina: So it's like a town.

Jack: Yes, it's a whole little town that's floating.

Cristina: What interesting what's happening to places like, what is that place? I think it's in Italy that it's like on water. But there's got to be huge problems with that place.

Jack: Yeah. I believe Venice is drying up.

Cristina: Yeah, it's drying up.

Jack: I think it's drying up.

Cristina: Is that how they were drowning?

Jack: Are they drowning?

Cristina: Last time I heard about them, there was a lot of water and they're trying to figure out how to.

Jack: Oh, maybe the water level is rising around them. It really depends where you are, what's happening.

Cristina: But something like that is really complicated. Like, how are they gonna solve that?

Jack: No, because it's prop. It's possible they're gonna have to, like. A lot of that is gonna be lost. One the river used to be. The canal, I suppose was below, you know, so there you walk next to it and you have to look down to see it. At some point I started, if you're correct, that had to start rising to the point that you could look to your side and it's kind of next to you. You don't have to really look down. But that means eventually it's going to overtake the walkways.

Cristina: Crazy. You need a boat from home to home or something.

Jack: Well, no, because the homes come out of the walkway. So those homes are going to be also. And those homes are stuck to the ground because it's constructed out of concrete. So it's going to be ruins. There's going to be the base for the homes that are gonna form on top of them.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna Be an even farther separated kind of Venice. Before you had the canal in the middle. About two boats can fit in some areas. Some areas are small and only one depending on size of the boat. So that was it before, but then it rises up and takes over the sidewalk to either direction. Now it expanded even more, but then you're also going to take over the couple of steps to the next person, like up to the person's building or their house or whatever. So by the time the water level reaches halfway up a building, there are nice gaps everywhere boats can travel. Now you can build homes where a boat can travel from house to house. Okay, so Venice will change. But chances are though that at that point even adapt a walkway so that you don't probably don't even need a boat. You just walk the way you already do. What if you can't afford a boat? Then what? Swim everywhere?

Cristina: So weird. So they're gonna build. Oh, you. You don't know. But like they could end up just building over. Yeah, they have.

Jack: Exactly. It's probably what's gonna happen. Yeah, we adapt at all times. We adapt. We're not gonna take the time to destroy all of Venice and rebuild it. There's not enough time. So we're just gonna build on top of whatever gets destroyed.

Cristina: How do you adapt to fire though? Like places that fire is becoming more of a normal thing.

Jack: Use more concrete and use carbon nanotechnology that allows you to create a sponge like thing that allows then the carbon to retain water and start constructing homes that are moisture locked so that it's way more protected against fire. So fire could come through and it would seemingly ignore the place so long that it destroys everything around it keeps moving, and now there's no longer a fire and the home is still untouched.

Cristina: Oh, that's nice. Okay. There's a solution to everything. Maybe.

Jack: Maybe that's actually a really good idea. Carbon nanotube type of sponge that can.

Cristina: Actual hurricane like that destroys things. What can it destroy?

Jack: There are most homes can't be like modern homes. They're made of materials that makes it really. You got to be a really particular. And you're kind of more talking about something hitting your house as opposed to the hurricane.

Cristina: Oh, not the hurricane. Yeah, something hitting your house.

Jack: Yeah, because the hurricane itself ain't gonna do crap to a. Like a fully grounded modern like concrete and cement house. You're not moving that.

Cristina: An earthquake.

Jack: An earthquake will s*** on that house sooner than anything else. That's the problem. Nature is kind of a rock, paper, scissors or A Pokemon. A card game, if you will. You know, leaf is beat by fire, but fire is beat by water, but water is beat by electricity. Electricity is beat by rock, and rock is beat by leaf.

Cristina: We can't. Can we prepare ourselves for anything, though? Like, can we make one home that can survive anything? Like, if this. If it was as crazy as.

Jack: So the ability that the carbon nanofibers and carbon nanotechnology has a lot. So we can, in theory, make concrete that's both solid and just flexible enough that if an earthquake were to happen, enough of that energy spreads out instead of snapping concrete, because that's what would happen. It would just turn to rubble. You don't want that. So if you can do that, you can have, you know, almost imperceptibly flexible concrete that would absorb just enough of the shaking to not break. That same concrete could have, using a different variant of the nanotechnology, have moisture trapped inside that will not dissipate so that it's both protected against a fire and an earthquake.

Cristina: But what about water?

Jack: If a flood were. Oh, that's about. That is entirely due to architecture. A really good architect can probably seal up all the passageways for water to come in and out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's ways around that. Yeah. And I'm sure that these shady figures of infinite money own places like this effortlessly.

Cristina: Yes. On their islands or underground? What? I don't even know.

Jack: Here's the thing.

Cristina: Rebuilding underground.

Jack: Here's the thing. The island is totally possible. They all got islands. But not the Reptilians or. Yes, the Reptilians. Whatever. The puppets. Not the shady people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Not the shady people. The shady people care about this stuff. The shady people only care about the room that they're being shady in.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And money. Cuz reasons for Reptilians. Yeah, money. For reasons.

Cristina: Mm. So is the Reptilians the one that wants the blood and the fear and all that, or is it the shady people?

Jack: It might be the shady people, because the blood is probably just so that you look younger forever. And people are obsessed with looking younger, but that's also by design, because the shady people want the select, the Reptilians or, you know, celebrities and politicians and stuff to want these things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they can keep them on the hook.

Cristina: Okay, you want this s***?

Jack: And I'm gonna give you. Because again, the shady people are just. Well, the ones who are human are just people who would have otherwise tried the same thing and not made it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know how many rappers are struggling, but how many rappers are in Illuminati, J.C. eminem, you know, typical 1 percenters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, well, they were down to play ball. There's billion other guys who are just gonna be like, I'm doing it for the rap and for the honor. And it's like, well, we need you to do it for the money so that we can keep you on a tight leash.

Cristina: Mm. So ridiculous. But can you get out of that Illuminati? Yes. I mean, if you're a lizard person, you can't. Right.

Jack: Where would you go? But even, like, who gives it? Why would you want to? Just like anything's ever happening to you as far as we did. It's more about information at this point. I'm sure they will hire some stranger if it was to do some. Some dark thing, because infinite money, they're not worried.

Cristina: Mm. But we have to remember that everything we said about the Illuminati is just. They're lies because we work for them and we know they're not bad. Yeah.

Jack: No, we're just talking about conspiracies that people have.

Cristina: Yes. I just want to remind the listeners, because we never mentioned that and we know Illuminati listens.

Jack: No, we did mention at the beginning these are just conspiracies we're building. We're not even building. We're just curiously trying to connect them.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. I just wanted to make sure everyone listening knows that.

Jack: Here's something I just thought about. If the temperature keeps getting way up, certain jobs are gonna become impossible. Like a lot of outdoor jobs are just gonna become impossible. If you're gonna pass it out left and right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Can you imagine? Everything is always in the 90s. Like, that's the baseline. It could only get hotter.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: It's like all outdoor jobs are pretty much on a halt. You need computers, you need robots, you need robots. You need to hire fleets of robots. Because it's too hot outside. You could. You got a guy control the robots to do the things.

Cristina: There has to be people who also think global warming is caused by Illuminati to get work people replaced by robots. Or is that a thing? No, but that's a thing now. Oh, no.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. There's a bunch of variants of that, including the ones at supermarkets. They want to normalize. They're not being employees. So they gradually increase the size of the scanning the self checkout time and reduce the size of the side with an employee so that eventually there's just one guy watching you be the employee for the Work you're not getting paid for doing. It's free labor. It's a trick.

Cristina: It's a trick.

Jack: It's a trick. They're making you work at the supermarket or at the. Wherever you go, making you work there for the brief time you're there and then pay them.

Cristina: The people that hate that, do they also hate buffets?

Jack: Interesting. I bet not. I bet the people who hate one love the other. It seems like the same group of people, but the logic is there. You are essentially working at this place and you're also paying them, not the other way around. You show up with the money, you provide the labor, and you hand over the money before you leave.

Cristina: But the money now is for the items. You were never paying the cashier for anything.

Jack: No, you weren't. You're totally right.

Cristina: So.

Jack: But the loop goes. You give money for the food. The food is a product of the store. So now the store gets the money.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The money that the store is gonna give to the cashier.

Cristina: Yes. Which now they don't have to.

Jack: Because you're the cashier.

Cristina: Because you're the cashier.

Jack: Except you're not getting the money. No, the work was for free.

Cristina: Okay? Yes.

Jack: So you showed. All the parts are the same. You showed up with the money. You gave the money for the food. The food that you got from the supermarket. So the supermarket now has the money, and now it's the turn for the supermarket to hand over the money to the cashier. But wait, oops, you left already. I can't give it to you.

Cristina: That's part of the evil plan of.

Jack: This is replacing us with robots and free labor. It's a form of slavery. It was a clever form of slavery.

Cristina: But also of making money. Because they love money. Well, they know, because they don't have to pay employees. So money.

Jack: No, they don't love money. They love power. Because the money is insignificant. There's too much of it. They could. There's. They don't know how much money they have. That's how much money they have.

Cristina: But they love to make money.

Jack: No, no, no. They need the people. They have the power. It's. It's about the power. There's no more money involved. They've not touched, looked at, spoken of money since they walked in, since they became a shadow in that room or whatever, you know, they've never thought about it again.

Cristina: But the people that own the business.

Jack: Those are the puppets.

Cristina: Yes. And those people love the money.

Jack: Oh, yeah, they love the money. It's perfectly fine. The illuminati doesn't think of crap.

Cristina: But they're the Illuminati. Are those shadow people still?

Jack: The shadowy people are the Illuminati. You established this. There's a bunch of puppets and then there's the people in the room.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, the people, they're all Illuminati in the end of the day.

Jack: No, the Illuminati is the people in the room.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But if somebody like Jay Z is in the Illuminati, then the New World Order is not necessary. Like, all New World Order are Illuminati, but not all Illuminati are New World Order. You know, like, there's the Seven group, the seven guys, the seven shadowy figures in the room having the conversation. That's world changing or whatever. Those guys are all Illuminati members.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They are the shadow figures controlling the world. Jay Z is also an Illuminati member, but he's not controlling the world. No, he's not part of the New World Order. That is those seven guys. So all seven guys from the New World, All New World Order people must be Illuminati. That's where they found them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's where they recruited people who later just become a shadow in the room, but.

Cristina: Or a lizard person. Or they're already a lizard person.

Jack: It doesn't matter. All this is relevant. The person who they're getting, regardless of whether they're lizard or human, then becomes a shadow in the room is the conclusion, regardless of who they're talking to.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So, yeah.

Cristina: So the goal for them is to become a shadow person.

Jack: The goal for the puppets are money. Sometimes the shadow people die of old age or too much money or whatever the f*** kills. They're probably immortal as well. It's probably been the same seven people since, like, the beginning of time. I don't know. One of them is Lucifer Fur or some s***. Like, I don't know, man.

Cristina: One of them now is the queen.

Jack: Was.

Cristina: Is.

Jack: Is.

Cristina: She faked her death.

Jack: Oh, right, right, right. Because she's in Cuba.

Cristina: No, she went into a younger person's body.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The future, which will then later be rigged. Which is the future, next queen.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: That's how it works.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Legit facts about life.

Cristina: That's how it works. So she's there.

Jack: So it's a lot going on. It's not going on these days. It is crazy that you can go into. I'm so blown away by that. You go into a supermarket, you're an employee, you show Up? Yeah, no, it's crazy. You show up as a customer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But get duped halfway into being the employee and then you leave the employee. You showed up, the customer left the employee. But not really because you did it for free. So at least an employee gets paid. You came in and you were less than an employee. You showed up, you walked in, gave the work. You didn't even get a thanks. Some dude straight like, slave, bro. He straight just watched you do it. And he's just there to make sure you do it right. You got a supervisor. You have a supervisor. You showed up to work. You gotta. You got a supervisor make sure you're working properly. And if you don't, you gotta ask him for help. Hey, boss, how do I figure the thing out? I'm new here. I can't. I don't know how the machines work. Yeah, train me, train me. Come over here and show me how it works. And they'll come and show you. Well, when this happens, you press the thing and like. Okay, good. Hands on training. Great company. Fantastic. You work for a great place. Except you'll never see the check because you just leave.

Cristina: But people like it, cuz it's fast and they're lazy. I don't know. Is that what?

Jack: Slavery.

Cristina: Slavery? But isn't that. Is that conspiracy slavery or is that real slavery?

Jack: I don't know. It's prob. Probably a little of both.

Cristina: Okay, it is slavery.

Jack: You are giving free work. You're just getting tricked into doing it willingly.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You know, that's all it is.

Cristina: But is it some evil master plan or are they just seeing that people like to do it?

Jack: It's the puppets. The puppets love the money and this is a great way to get the money. They're always gonna chase a great way to get the money. But anyways, anyways. Anyways. Look, the point is that people are crazy and they mix all the things together. No, the real point is that everything comes back. Like, everybody blames Reptilians, Adrenochrome, and juice for everything. And it's because they think the Jews are the Reptilians and that the Reptilians want Adrenochrome. Or they're giving. Well, I guess. And somehow the new world order might or might not be. Whatever. Look, we've talked about a lot of this before and, like, we're trying our.

Cristina: Best to make it make sense.

Jack: Yeah. And there's clips out there. Look, there's clips out there about a bunch of this stuff. And you can, like, try to piece it together yourself. There's a bunch of it. And, you know, we've tried to reason this before. It's hard. It's hard. But you can. You can join us on the mission. Go find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, isconville Pod and, like, really skim through and find the stuff.

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Cristina: Yes. So give us an emoji of a lizard.

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Jack: Show know about it, because word of mouth is important. And maybe somebody needs to know how all these conspiracies connect and the fact that it's all to blame the Jews and the Reptilians.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. Pause, talk a little play. Pause, talk a little play.

Cristina: Yes. That's the best. Gotta remember to pause.

Jack: Yeah. So that you miss nothing.

Cristina: Yeah. Or you listen to us first and then you listen to us again and then talk over that second lesson.

Jack: Fair. Fair. That makes perfect sense. Because you don't want to miss. You don't want to miss valuable lore that happens randomly.

Cristina: Yeah. So if you can't help it, you should do that.

Jack: That's fair. That makes absolute sense.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

September 10, 2022

Rambling 191: Queen Elizabeth II

September 10, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Following the tremendously tragic news of Queen Elizabeth II’s passing away, the duo leave all their usual duties behind to discuss The Queen and her life. May the Queen Rest in Peace.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Order Of Succession
Royal Pets
70+ Year Reign
Service in World War II
Women's Auxiliary Territory Service (ATS)
Royal Money
86 Million
Tax money
Fighting Racial Injustice

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am Jack.

Cristina: And I am Christina.

Jack: And we're gonna guide you on this journey. This journey, I guess. Depression.

Cristina: Depression.

Jack: Yeah, bro. Dark days are ahead.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, I know. It's horrible. So. Thursday, the 8th of September. The 8th of the. This is gonna be crazy. The 8th. No, this is gonna be crazy day. The 8th of September, 2022, Thursday. Because I'm only saying this out loud so that you know this. This episode immediately becomes timeless. Because it's a. It's back then when the thing happened. It's just a date, but. Yeah. No, it just happened. And it's crazy that the Queen Elizabeth, Her Majesty. Has passed. Whoa, whoa. That's crazy. The last immortal is gone.

Cristina: The last. Who was the other ones?

Jack: Betty White.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The two immortals. It's over, man.

Cristina: That's it. That was just them, too.

Jack: It's been proven. Mortality is real. Anybody can get it. You don't want to catch that. It's a hard one to get rid of. And it's. No, this is crazy. All jokes aside. This is nuts. It's like nothing like this has ever happened. A leader for 70 plus years, helping to maintain order globally. Globally, like what? That's not a thing that happens.

Cristina: She was the thing. It was the only thing like that.

Jack: Yeah. England was a powerhouse. Not a global president. A powerhouse that forced and manipulated and did horrible things to grip people. The crown that this lady has placed in front of the world to see is of unity, not of domination. And in doing so, got the world to sort of just. Okay, let her do it.

Cristina: Let her do it.

Jack: Let her do it. She's right. She knows. She's seen it longer.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I don't care how long I've been in power. She's been in power longer. And she's seen crazier s***.

Cristina: She has.

Jack: And she has. Exactly. Like, who's gonna say no? Like, I don't understand. I know that now, me, the leader at age 40, has lived way more than all these 20 year olds. And I understand that. They don't even fathom what I am protecting them from. I get that these 20 year olds don't fathom. But the 35 year olds who voted me the 40 year old. And they get it. They're close. They understand it more. They voted me in because they get it. They know I know the Thing. But those kids don't. But when they're my age, you're going to get why these 35 year olds voted for me. I, the 40 year old leader, the 50 year old leader, the 6 year leader. I look at my leader, the hundred year old leader who's had the. Well, I can't fathom the crap that that person has seen. I just got to accept that I don't do not know. And they do.

Cristina: So then is it a good thing that her son is now a leader? If he's as old?

Jack: No, because he's not had the power at that age.

Cristina: But he gets how it works.

Jack: No, he, he didn't develop habits with it. He's going to figure it out now. That's crazy.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: That's crazy. He's gonna figure it out now. It doesn't work. She had the opportunity that she was absurdly young to be crowned.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then faced with crazy obstacles all at once. She had to adapt instantly. And then held it first over 70 years. What?

Cristina: That is pretty crazy. And she was pretty young, right? Like in her teens or something?

Jack: I think she was 26. Might have been her teens. I'm not entirely sure actually. That's probably something we could easily track. 25.

Cristina: You're pretty close. You said 26.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So close enough.

Cristina: Close enough. That's still pretty young.

Jack: That was pretty, pretty young. I didn't know s*** at 25.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who the h*** does, dude, who even knows something at 40? When you're 60, you look back and you're like, I don't know. Crap, I was an idiot. Her at 90 is looking at morons. Just immature, undeveloped, squishy headed morons.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she's like, this is so dumb. It's not even worth interacting with half of this. She's like, whatever. There's this little sort itself every once in a while. She did, she had to with certain things that were just like, okay, would you let your child stick the fork in the socket? That's dangerous. That could be a slight shock or death.

Cristina: So that's the only time she intervents.

Jack: Exactly. When it's like so stupid that, you know, maybe it's too much.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: But you know, if you guys are gonna hit each other. Okay, whatever, whatever. You guys gonna blow everything up? No f****** way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No f****** way you're gonna do that. You know, when things got too crazy, she would pop up. It's weird that she didn't pop up for this Russia thing, but also it's not that crazy? Because we can easily subdue it. We just also greedy ourselves. We want to look like we want to stop this s*** and do nothing about it, the way we usually do. Oh, we're so angry about the thing. What are you gonna do about it? I'm so angry. It's like, okay, dude, whatever.

Cristina: You're talking about us.

Jack: Yeah. We're pretending to be angry so she knows we can stop this whenever. All of us, the world, can just stop Russia at any moment. It's so easy. But we're not doing it.

Cristina: We're just giving Ukraine money.

Jack: Yeah. We just. We enjoy what's happening. Or not. We're profiting from it somehow, so there's some benefit here, and we, the little people, don't get it.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: Yeah, I guess the idea.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the Queen knows, and she's like, whatever, I'm not gonna intervene. This is stupid. They wanted to stop it.

Cristina: It could stop it. Was she sick? I don't know.

Jack: Well, the question is, Was she sick? 3, 4 or 5 months ago? 6, 7 months ago? How long has this shipping going on? Like, a week? I don't know. However long it's been going on. Was she sick at that point is a real question.

Cristina: She's been sick for a while, though.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Oh, I haven't the slightest clue. Okay. Because, like, I think, like, right before she died, I heard she was sick, and then, like, really, it wasn't even that long after. It's like.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's like some crap happened, like, 16 hours before, and then.

Cristina: Yeah. And then she was dead. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah. It was so fast. Yeah, the same thing. It's like Queen got ill suddenly. I wonder what it is that took her death.

Cristina: No. I don't know.

Jack: I mean, it could be. It could just be the illness of death.

Cristina: The illness of death? No way.

Jack: Is that what took Betty White?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. It was just, like, age.

Cristina: Oh, no. Maybe she had cancer. No. I don't know. No.

Jack: What are you assuming that everybody just dies eventually because some s*** gets to them? Like, you just live long enough to catch a thing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You really. You don't think it's, like, you just die and you had nothing? You don't think that's ever happened? That's an interesting idea.

Cristina: Nothing.

Jack: Yeah, that's actually really interesting. It could if. If we really looked into every person that died, even, like, at a really late age, even if they died and all the records say they had nothing. If we dig deep, did they develop something instantaneously before they died? Is that what killed them?

Cristina: Yes. It had to be. There has to be an explanation. I can't imagine someone just dying just because age. Age.

Jack: What does that mean?

Cristina: Good enough.

Jack: Because age is some s*** we came up with. Yeah, but no, there is a scientific. I do know the factual explanation, and it's that cells regenerate slower. So your body is literally slowly dying at all times that it just kind of halts.

Cristina: So then you're dying for a reason. It's not like. Oh, yeah, well, I mean, you're dying for. Not like. I don't know where.

Jack: No, like, it's literally age.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like you died from age. The definition. Age here being your cells stopped getting younger faster than they were dying.

Cristina: Okay, but that's the reason you died.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It was the cut. What's it. What the h*** is the. The equation we're looking for? It needs to reproduce quicker than it dies off. And so less of them are reproducing faster than they're dying, so there's less reproduction overall. And slowly cell reproduction ends. And then you die.

Cristina: And then you just. They say you died from old age. Like. Okay, yes.

Jack: That would be the summary.

Cristina: Oh, weird.

Jack: Age.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because time does it eventually, everything. It's entropy. Everything eventually breaks down. The question is, is that what happened here with Queen Elizabeth?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The second the Queen.

Cristina: The second the Queen.

Jack: No, Queen Elizabeth. The second the Queen. So in honor of the Queen, of the woman who's prevented the Earth from falling apart, I figured we just talk about the lady for a bit.

Cristina: Talk about the lady?

Jack: Talk about the Queen. The most overpowered, exaggeratedly noble and generous person to have existed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's crazy. How to have power for 70 years without falling into absolute corruption.

Cristina: How does she not go insane?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. How do you not lose your mind? Everybody else loses their crap. It happens instantaneously, almost. Meanwhile, she's tanked it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She's like, this is bigger than me. That's the best reality. Right. She had to. That's what she did. That. I don't know how she did it. That nobody else could ever do. I don't think anybody else will ever do. And it's really. Understand. This is bigger than me.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: People who believe in any sort of God, see, they understand that. And they don't. They don't.

Cristina: You don't think the Pope does.

Jack: The Pope doesn't know. Yeah, the Queen really did because it was above her. It was like, this is. I'm part of a machine here.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow. That's Crazy.

Jack: That's crazy. Yeah. And you become a number.

Cristina: Become a number.

Jack: Yeah. It's the idea that if you take a bunch of prisoners and you stop calling them by their name and just call them by a random number, that you disassociate them from their personality. It's a form of sort of torture. But she opted into it in order to serve better. Like, I cannot exist. The queen has to exist.

Cristina: Yes. I mean, she had to be. There must have been some part that enjoyed her life, though.

Jack: Oh, yes. There's definitely an absurd amount of wealth to abuse, and rightfully so. Look, that's a crazy job, that is. You sacrifice every. You're not quitting. You're not quitting. You can't quit. It's impossible. If you do, you're an outcast anyways. But kind of, they need you. Especially after you turn out to be kind of the chosen one, you know? It's kind of crazy for you to just be like, I'm the only one holding it together. But Deuces. Well, yeah, you can't do that. And she knew that. So, like. Yeah. I think she's the only royal to have ever earned every penny. And that's a lot of money. But also, you sacrifice, all of you.

Cristina: But that's a lot of money.

Jack: That's a lot of money. But you sacrificed, all of you.

Cristina: That's true. But that's a lot of money.

Jack: You saved a lot of. You saved more lives than that money's worth.

Cristina: Whoa. That's just.

Jack: You've ended more hunger than that money's worth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is the football player problem.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Your merchandise generated $1 billion. We paid you $10 million. It's like. Oh, what? That sounds way. It's like a smaller than a percent.

Cristina: Yeah, well.

Jack: Or it is a percent. Yeah, I think it's a percent. But. Yeah. That's crazy, right?

Cristina: We pay you a billion, but you made a million.

Jack: Yeah. No, 10 million. That's like 1%, right?

Cristina: We paid you a million, and you made 10 million.

Jack: You made a billion dollars.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And we're giving you $10 million.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: That's the life of a football player.

Cristina: Okay, people.

Jack: A lot of people argue. Football players get paid too much.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You play a sport, bro.

Cristina: But the money they're making. I mean, their merchandise is making, but.

Jack: The money they're making. A company.

Cristina: Okay. It's ridiculous.

Jack: Is ridiculous. And they're not seeing most of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're not seeing half of it. They're not seeing 1/4 of it. They're not seeing one third of it. Not seeing one tenth of it.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: They're probably not seeing 100th of it. That's how underpaid they are for their worth. People go f****** nuts for football. Yes, it is a mega, mega financial success.

Cristina: And soccer, which is the other. Football.

Jack: One is just coasting off the name of the other. Think about that for a second.

Cristina: One.

Jack: One is coasting off the name of the other. Football came first. Then American football was like, I'm football now.

Cristina: Okay, was the time. What you were talking about, though, right now was American football.

Jack: Yeah. American football is coasting off of that name. And that's what's happen.

Cristina: No, I mean the money thing.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm talking about that. I mean, probably the other people.

Cristina: I feel like soccer, probably the same thing happens.

Jack: Here's the thing. I've never heard somebody be obsessed with a player's merchandise in soccer. It seems like people who watch soccer. The countries that enjoy soccer most. The United States does soccer, but not like caring. They just do it to participate. Yeah, but the countries that care about that think a lot about the team.

Cristina: You don't think they have favorite players?

Jack: Probably do, but it doesn't seem like they go in on that stuff. As opposed to football fans, where they might as well tattoo the guy's name on the upper back. On the lower. On their lower back. Get a tramp stamp. They should. These men should get a tram stamp of their favorite players because they're pretty much their b**** at that point. Right. Everything they do is like, I would let this guy just on my f****** face in front of my wife and children, okay. While I jerk off. Because, yeah, that's my favorite player. It's like, what, dude?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Yeah. They would blow and just hold it in their mouth.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They would just be like, tell me when the swallow, daddy.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: That's how they behave, bro. Walk up to, like, what is it, the packers and. Versus the Cubs or some. That's usually the debate.

Cristina: I've known.

Jack: You go ahead and you go to one with the green one and you tell the green people, hey, this player sucks. That's it. Walk away.

Cristina: That's it.

Jack: They're gonna flip. Like they f****** defending their girlfriend or some s***.

Cristina: Well, yeah, that's. Yeah, but I don't know. All sports is like that. No, I don't know.

Jack: I've been around specifically when it comes to, like, Latin sports. I've been way into that. And nobody cares much for the over. For the individual. It's a lot about the team. Like, they know all the individuals, but it's about the working machine. I think Americans have a lot of narcissism. And it's like the individual.

Cristina: The individual hockey and soccer. I mean, not soccer, basketball and hockey. People care about players as well as teams.

Jack: All Americans.

Cristina: Maybe baseball, too.

Jack: Yep. Keep going.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, keep going.

Jack: Every single one you mentioned is going to land there. And it's actually almost all European specific things as well. And you think of like cricket and you think of rugby and golf. Golf, yeah. Like, things like that is. Yeah, there's a height, but golf is. There's no option. You have to be focused on golf.

Cristina: America. I have no idea.

Jack: But yeah, it's like it. By default you're gonna know who the f*** is playing.

Cristina: There's two people in golf.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Oh. Only know one of them people. Wow.

Jack: But anyways. Yeah. So let's go about down some details.

Cristina: Let's celebrate the Queen. Celebrate sort of or not or more Elizabeth ii? Both. All right. Yeah.

Jack: Mourn her passing and celebrate her life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So she was born on April 21, 1926, in Mayfair, London.

Cristina: When? April?

Jack: Yeah, April 21. What zodiac sign is she?

Cristina: I don't know. April. Maybe she's an Aries. Maybe she's a Gemini. Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: Okay. It's one of those things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Her official title was Princess Elizabeth of York.

Cristina: Princess. Wait, that's her official title?

Jack: That's her name?

Cristina: Princess is part of her name.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah. You get to choose your name when you're crowned.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So they just title you some other thing.

Cristina: You know, she has the second birthday. I didn't know the jubilee celebration of her birthday was like. It's the official birthday, but it's not her actual birthday. It's just they celebrate their birthday on a better a day. That's gonna be better. The weather is gonna be better or something like that. Like in the summertime or when people want to be out to celebrate, they'll pick that day to be there.

Jack: Whoa. That's.

Cristina: Yeah, she's not the only one. Like, I think her father also had that too. And like, those people just.

Jack: Are they the only ones who do a jubilee or do other people do that?

Cristina: I don't know. I've only heard of the queen doing that, so I don't know. It might just be like a royal thing to do of whoever's leading, which I guess now the king gets to choose a second birthday.

Jack: Now that's interesting. I wonder I would like to do something like that to see if there's people who do that who's, like, your birthday isn't on this day, but, like, all these people are gonna skip on celebrating their birthday, and they're gonna plan on everybody celebrating their birthday on the same day in the same place.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it's an easy way to throw a party where everybody's just celebrating their birthday. So you're not even celebrating your birthday. You're gonna skip on that intentionally, make this your birthday. It has to be memorable. So f*** your birthday.

Cristina: Okay, so you're choosing it with other people.

Jack: Yeah, a bunch of people. So that you can throw a collective party where it's everybody's birthday.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's a giant birthday party.

Cristina: Ah, yes.

Jack: It's a literal birthday party.

Cristina: Mm. But everyone. Okay. Yeah, we're gonna just have a jubilee thing, too.

Jack: Yes. Her mother, Queen Elizabeth, also known as Queen Mother.

Cristina: Queen Mother, Yeah. No way.

Jack: And then her father is King George.

Cristina: V. He wasn't Queen King father, was he?

Jack: No. I don't know. And her husband was Prince Philip, the Duke of Edinburgh. Married on November 20, 1947.

Cristina: The Duke. I know. He was 18 and she was 13 when they met. They met or they. He was writing her letters and stuff, like.

Jack: Yeah, it's from a time when that was not weird. Yeah, that was very common.

Cristina: And they're cousins.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or something.

Jack: So, I mean, they have to be.

Cristina: They have to be.

Jack: They have to be. That's the only way.

Cristina: I mean, they're probably not first cousins at least, right?

Jack: No, they might be sometimes removed. We hope. Yeah, we can hope. I mean, again, they also come from a time when, like, whatever. It's my cousin. That's. That's who I. Let's see your children, Charles. Poor, poor Charles. Prince of Wales, Princess Anne, Princess Royale. Interesting. Prince Andrew, the Duke of York, and Prince Edward, the Earl of Wessex.

Cristina: Those are her children, you said?

Jack: Yes. So, Charles, his title is Prince of Wales. Then there's Princess Anne. Her title is Princess Royale. Then there's Prince Andrew. His title is the Duke of York. And then Prince Edward, the Earl of Wessex, is Earl.

Cristina: Earl. That's what you said?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Is that, like, under Duke, like. I don't know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know either.

Cristina: Prince. Princess.

Jack: Yeah, they're way down the chain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. So Charles, the firstborn is in. Is first in line, or is it the first male?

Cristina: Like, if he was born after Anne, would he.

Jack: Yeah. Would he still be the first in line?

Cristina: No, because Then, Huh? I don't know. Because the queen was the only child, though, I'm assuming. Right?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Was she? No.

Jack: The queen had a sister.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. That was her younger sister. Okay. That's why she. Yeah. So maybe. But if they had a brother.

Jack: Which they did not.

Cristina: Which they did. Exactly.

Jack: So if they had a brother, who would have first.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: Interesting, right? Is. Was it. Was it too sexist back then? It probably could have been. It's. That's why I even suggested when she fell into power, that was not long. That was just the end of World War II. That's long as. Like, maybe they were still like, this chick.

Cristina: Well, yeah, she probably had a lot of hate.

Jack: No, I'm saying, like, the land, the power in the first place, it's like, I don't give a crap that she was born. The next one was a boy, so he's next.

Cristina: Oh, you know. Yeah. It would have probably worked later.

Jack: Five girls and one boy. And the boy was the sixth one. Would he be the king? And everybody else just gets shafted down the line.

Jack: That's the question here. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Maybe not only because of, like, what her children's titles are. It seems like whoever's first born gets the better title. So if it's Princess and then the second one's not a princess or prince.

Jack: No.

Cristina: But then it was Prince and Princess. I don't know. It's. It's very strange.

Jack: But they're. Interesting. Because their titles are. They all have. Because they are. Right. So, like, it's Prince Charles and Princess Anne and Prince Andrew and Prince Edward. They're all prince and princesses by default. Really? Really. Their titles unrelated. Prince of Wales, Princess Royale, the Duke of York and the Earl of Wessex. So the question that you're posing is, do they not matter?

Cristina: Do they not matter? I don't think so.

Jack: What is that you're trying to figure out? What's the problem?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, if the princess is higher than the Duke and the Earl, you think.

Jack: It'S just the order they're born in by default?

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Based on their titles.

Cristina: Yeah, based on the titles. Yes. Yes.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: So, like, she. If he wasn't in the picture, the oldest one, it would have been the princess and then the Duke and then the Earl. Although it would have be Princess, Prince, and then Duke, because the title would have gone to the second one. Whatever.

Jack: Yeah. So she would have been the Duke or whatever follows Duke if she was third.

Cristina: No, I'm saying the Duke, that is now the duke. If the prince wasn't there, he'd be the prince. It'd be princess, prince and duke.

Jack: Unless they are choosing these names and there isn't some sort of naming convention. But there probably is some sort of naming convention.

Cristina: I think the queen chooses. I think the queen and king decided not to do that to the youngest kids for some reason.

Jack: What, to title them royalty?

Cristina: Yeah. Or something. I don't remember. I can't remember. I think this was from that crown show, but I can't remember exactly what. Why.

Jack: So you said she was 25 when she was crowned?

Cristina: You said that?

Jack: Well, yeah, I guess you confirmed it. And that was on June 2, 1953.

Cristina: It was a long time ago. Okay. Yeah.

Jack: She was crowned so long ago. Well, our parents weren't born. Our grandparents might not have been born.

Cristina: I have no idea. Maybe.

Jack: I mean, if they were. They're older than she was. If they were all right. Oh, no, no, no. She's 25 at that point.

Cristina: Yeah, she was 25.

Jack: Yeah. They should have at least. Maybe they could have been babies. And if they were a baby and she's 25, if they were 3 years old, then that would mean. Actually if they were just five years old. Right. That would be 100. Subtract that 20.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They would only have to be 76.

Cristina: That's possible.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally possible, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It could have been babies when. When she got crowned. Yeah, that's right. I put that into perspective. Just brought it right back home. Yeah. It's not that long ago.

Cristina: She could be a grandma.

Jack: Yeah, she is grandma.

Cristina: Well, she is. Yeah.

Jack: Now, what's probably most impressive about the lady and what most people gonna celebrate is the impossible to follow. Longevity as the longest reigning leader in anything ever to have ever at all.

Cristina: She broke records.

Jack: Yes. For forever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Nobody's following.

Cristina: Yeah, they're gonna try, of course, but.

Jack: It would be impossible. You have to out live while in power.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You gotta accomplish two really difficult things. Not f*** up your power for 70 years.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: What? That's never happened.

Cristina: Yeah. Can you imagine any of her? Not her. Her child. Because like, he. There's no way he lost already. Her grandchildren who are next, they can't do that.

Jack: They're already too old.

Cristina: They're already too old. Yeah.

Jack: They're already too old. It's crazy. It's impossible to follow the circumstance. Nevertheless, science will destroy this forever. Everybody's gonna last to the end. So every last leader is gonna be old as h***.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: You're Only gonna have a little bit of experience every time and be at the end of your life always. Because all of you are gonna live so freaking long that the power isn't gonna move on.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's just gonna move on to the next in line. But they're also old as h***.

Cristina: Yes. Man, that sucks.

Jack: It's over.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was just circumstance.

Cristina: It was. How did your dad die?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It was lung cancer or something, Right? I think he died from cancer, maybe. Pretty sure, but okay.

Jack: Cancer kills people.

Cristina: Cancer kills. Yes.

Jack: That happens sometimes.

Cristina: Everyone dies from cancer. Okay. It's a secret killer.

Jack: It's interesting. Maybe cancer is the alien cancer. Maybe that's been murdering us this whole time. When people say age did it, it was really just cancer. Maybe there's a subtle cancer that makes us age.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like what? But anyways, I. I had to find out.

Cristina: What did you have?

Jack: And about the sexism thing. It was, like, poking at me. So until 2013, males were, in fact, favored. Oh, yes. They were favored by just in general. They would be next in line over their older sisters until 2013. Yes. And Queen Elizabeth the second past the act that stopped that from happening.

Cristina: What? It took her that long, though?

Jack: And so she made it so that. No. Whoever is born first goes first.

Cristina: Awesome. That makes so much more sense. Like, she proves already that it doesn't matter.

Jack: Yeah. She is the proof that it. Like, it doesn't matter because men tend to be too full of themselves to lead. There's a problem where I guess it's a people thing. F****** just people think men are in power.

Cristina: F***, yes.

Jack: But, yeah, I guess, whatever. But whatever. She is the female who succeeded. It is what it is. She gets to say women are better in that instance. And until proven wrong, who the h***'s gonna argue?

Cristina: She's not saying women are better. She says they're equal.

Jack: Yes. They're better than we perceive them to be.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Yes. That's awesome. But 2013, man.

Jack: Yeah, she took a while.

Cristina: She took a while.

Jack: I mean, she was doing s***.

Cristina: Yeah. I guess it was too busy. But then I guess, like, age got to her at that point. She was like, oh, crap, Maybe I should do something about this.

Jack: Yeah. Before I move on. And there's never another queen.

Cristina: Ow.

Jack: It's just a bunch of guys from here on out.

Cristina: But this. I wonder, like, in the line of order, like, when's the next queen to the throne? Like, who?

Jack: Her daughter.

Cristina: Her daughter and not the child. Son. No, wait. No. Because then he has a son.

Jack: Oh, I see, I see, I see. Because he's king, it's his children.

Cristina: But his firstborn isn't a. No girl. No.

Jack: Oh, so you're saying who's factually the next queen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Like, does he have daughters? The grand. Wait, this. She have granddaughters, I guess.

Jack: Because whoever succeed him, have a daughter.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who's firstborn. Interesting. So we're talking. Charles is the king now. So.

Cristina: Okay, so where do we start? Okay, so this is Charles right now.

Jack: Yeah. We have to just look at the. So we start at the Queen and Philip and their first born, which is Charles. So Prince Charles and whoever is his first born would be next in line.

Cristina: Prince William.

Jack: Interesting. And then after Prince William would be George. Prince George. Now, following Prince George, there are no children on his behalf, so the next in line would be his sibling. Thus making the next candidate for a queen, Princess Charlotte. Now, if Prince George has a single child, he's next in line, and thus Princess Charlotte is no longer in the running. Unless both Prince George and his firstborn child die.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then it would land on Princess Charlotte.

Cristina: Sad. Okay. But she, in the moment, is next in line as queen.

Jack: For all we know, Prince George might decide he never wants children. Well, who knows?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that would be her best job at it.

Jack: Yeah. But if he has a firstborn daughter that is the next queen in line.

Cristina: Yes. Interesting.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Man Ran. What was it? Comedy Bang Bang. The whole reason the queen. Was it. The queen is going to space. Oh, no. She's going to put her body into Princess Charlotte so that she could become the new queen again or something. Weird conspiracy.

Jack: Yeah, I remember that.

Cristina: So ridiculous.

Jack: She's somehow gonna migrate her consciousness into the body of the youngest next candidate.

Cristina: Actually, I have no idea if that came from Kylie. Banger.

Jack: And then she has to off George. That's also part of it. Because that's the only way to really take the power. You gotta take over the body and then get rid of George and then, boom, you're next.

Cristina: Ridiculous. Okay.

Jack: It's the only way.

Cristina: Yes. That's the Queen's plan. She's inside Charlotte right now, I guess. What? So crazy. Do you want to know about the Queen's pets? Do you know anything about them?

Jack: No.

Cristina: You have to know something about them. Nothing.

Jack: That they're corgis.

Cristina: They're not corgis. They're dorgies.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Yes. They're a combination of corgis and hot dogs, or whatever they're called. It starts with a D. They look like the hot dog breed. Whatever. That dog is, well, the queen sort. They kind of say that she made that breed even though it's just her corgi dog breeded with her like cousin's hot dog. And then they had dorgies and then she has a bunch of dorgies which are. They still look pretty much like corgis. There's no real difference.

Jack: Have they introduced other corgis into the mix or did those animals are just reproducing within the family bloodline?

Cristina: I'm not sure because people have them. So I mean, I'm sure.

Jack: No, I'm talking about the one.

Cristina: Oh in the queens. It's probably just the inside, right? I don't know. I'm not sure.

Jack: They're not bringing new ones into the mix because I would unpurify it.

Cristina: Well, it's not a real breed anyway.

Jack: Well, it's its own thing though. You take two different dogs and then you have their children, but then you make their children reproduce with your children over and over without ever introducing a full blooded again. Now that becomes a breed.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So. But does it take a while?

Jack: No, no. The question is, is that what she did? Is that what's happening? Or are there different new dogs introduced that aren't relatives to the dogs already there and thus they are not any. They're no longer half and half. It stopped being one thing, it's just the other thing. Now it's just a corgi.

Cristina: Just a corgi? I don't know because they just look like corgis to me. So I have no idea. They're just long looking corgis. I think corgis look long anyway, so I don't know if there's any difference. They start with the D now. Dorgies, you know, she also owns an elephant, two giant turtles, a jaguar and a pair of sloths.

Jack: Where?

Cristina: In a zoo? They live in the London Zoo. But they were presents from other countries.

Jack: To the Queen?

Cristina: Yeah, to the queen. Like if you're gonna give her a.

Jack: Present, you gotta give her something she couldn't attain already. Or she could but doesn't have.

Cristina: Yeah, like why would she think of owning an elephant? You have to be like, huh? What doesn't she have?

Jack: Also it's messed up to own an elephant, considering how sentient they are. That's imprisonment.

Cristina: Yes, well, she had an elephant.

Jack: Yeah, it's messed up. Yeah, yeah, she had.

Cristina: I guess she had.

Jack: She doesn't have. There is an elephant though. Yes, there's definitely an elephant.

Cristina: Yeah. And the zoo takes care of it. Because, like, what is she gonna do with an elephant? That's so insane. That's such a crazy present to give someone.

Jack: But, like, what if she decided, I'm start just riding this elephant, I'm radical like that.

Cristina: What? Or just have it living in her backyard.

Jack: Yeah, some crap like that. That'd be badass.

Cristina: Why didn't anyone give her a giraffe? That'd be crazy to have in your backyard.

Jack: Yeah, that's nuts. Either or, like, an elephant is actually a pretty good idea.

Cristina: No, the giant turtles make sense like that. I can see, as a pet. People have turtles as pets.

Jack: People can have a giraffe as a pet. I guess an elephant is problematic.

Cristina: A jaguar is probably.

Jack: An elephant is gonna think out of its way, out of box. You know, it might plot on you like, you don't know. You never know.

Cristina: But they seem friendly enough.

Jack: This one's your property. Essentially your slave.

Cristina: Yeah, but jaguar man.

Jack: Yeah, jaguar is dangerous, but it's more dangerous mind over matter, I guess.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So, you know, the elephant would crap on that thing. Obviously. The elephant is also ridiculously big, but.

Cristina: Yeah. And then sloth. That's got to be the worst because they're trying to kill themselves. They live in some weird life of eating poison. Like, those aren't great pets.

Jack: Perpetually making themselves weak through crappy digestive. Yeah, Digestible foods.

Cristina: Those are the worst. That's gotta be the worst pet. Who gave her sloth? What? Oh, she also races pigeons.

Jack: Raises pigeons.

Cristina: Races.

Jack: Races pigeons?

Cristina: Yes. She's a pigeon racer.

Jack: What the h*** does that mean?

Cristina: She rides on pigeons? No, she owns, like, 200 pigeons and they compete in races.

Jack: Did she invent this sport? Is this, like a.

Cristina: There's no way she invented this. I have no idea.

Jack: Is John Wick's, like, garbage man friend the host of this?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he also training the pigeons?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he her, like, her arch rival?

Cristina: Oh, they would be rivals because he's over here, so. Oh, yeah.

Jack: Maybe they send birds to the middle.

Cristina: They have, like, pigeon wars. It's not even a race.

Jack: It's like battles.

Cristina: It's bad. Yes. No, but then what's the difference of that and, like, what's that sports with the roosters fighting each other?

Jack: Yeah, it's rooster fights. Yeah, fighting.

Cristina: That's what it's called. I don't know, man.

Jack: Why do we call it fighting? That's so h***.

Cristina: That's a h***. Yeah, because guys are trying to prove something with their.

Jack: They kind of are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, I guess it's not h***.

Cristina: It's so straight, it's gay.

Jack: No, here's the thing. Here's the thing about h***. It means both straight and gay. So I don't know what the h*** happened there.

Cristina: It means. It doesn't mean gay. It means lame.

Jack: Well, it means. I mean, it doesn't mean straight. It means h***. No, because there's h*** for homosexual, but there's h*** for h*** sapien.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's like, well, you're human.

Cristina: Okay. So it's so human.

Jack: Yeah. So human.

Cristina: It's so human. All right. C*** fighting is so human.

Jack: Fighting is so human.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: All those cucks.

Cristina: Doesn't she also love horses and race horses?

Jack: She proud. Yeah, she loves horses. Watch horses. Or she bought a horse and a horse racer.

Cristina: And a horse racer. Yeah. But she was, like, really into competitive horse racing.

Jack: Interesting. I wonder if she still is.

Cristina: She still is.

Jack: Yeah. Maybe she regularly watches races. She has to have hobbies and patches and passion. Oh, I see what you're talking about. Oh, d***. Wearing.

Cristina: Yes. I'm sure she watched it on tv. Like. No, she was there. She was probably there. What am I talking about?

Jack: Yeah. Like, why would she watch? I mean, towards the later end, I guess it might been have sucked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like. It's hard, but she probably loved it.

Cristina: She also owns all the swans in.

Jack: The world.

Cristina: On Britain's waterways.

Jack: I don't know why, but they're just hers.

Cristina: They're just hers. They're technically hers.

Jack: So she just owns all the swans?

Cristina: She just owns them. I don't know how there's law. I don't know. She just owns them.

Jack: If a new swan is born, you make sure it's a queen.

Cristina: She also owned all the dolphins and whales in the British waters.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I don't know why, but they're British whales and British dolphins. They have citizenship. I don't know. They're British.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They probably have dolphin accents that are British sounding to other dolphins. Like, we don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, we do know for a fact that dolphins do have different languages.

Cristina: So they have to have different accents.

Jack: Yes. From regions.

Cristina: Yeah. So there you go. She owns them.

Jack: I think they actually did that study, too. Different regions. Yeah, they totally did. Different regions have different accents and different inflections. So, like, they sound very different.

Cristina: But could they still communicate with each other?

Jack: I don't know. Like, is the ultimate sound the same?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And the way you twisted it is what decided then?

Cristina: It would be more accent than language. Different language. Right. I don't know.

Jack: But getting Back to the Queen. Let's go down some of the interesting details that maybe people don't know about her. Okay, like what interesting details? People don't know that she served in the military.

Cristina: I think I saw that on the crown.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: She was super young, right?

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Originally she wanted to enlist, like, as soon as she became of age, and that was in 1944. But she was refused because of who she is. Who she is. They can't risk putting her in danger.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But also, you don't tell me what to do on boss here.

Cristina: So she did anyways.

Jack: So she convinced them. So when she was 19, they finally gave her permission to join the military.

Cristina: That's cool.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And that was like, right before she became queen or something.

Jack: She became queen about nine years later.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But, yeah, so she joined the Women's Auxiliary Territory Service. Oh. She was an auto mechanic.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Wow.

Jack: Which explains her fascination with cars, old cars, specifically because it. It be what she would have worked on. So that's what explains her, like, of those, as opposed to brand new, just regular boring cars. She loves the classics from her time. That's a preference. Why she rolls around in those now. Many people in the world believe that the royal family is almost entirely held together today. Like the popularity, the fact that it didn't get, like, voted out of existence. That's only because her popularity exceeds the family's corruption. Okay, so she's more loved than the collective of everybody else is hated. Yes, but just by little. Enough that she'll forever have to hear about it.

Cristina: But then now that she's gone, the family's just.

Jack: The family sucks. They're gonna get voted out of existence in order to not have problems. Yeah, that's probably the next move.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because they only cared about her. What?

Jack: Yeah. There was never anybody else who mattered. It wasn't the royal family that people loved. People loved Queen Elizabeth.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's it. Well, Queen Elizabeth ii, her mom. Well, Queen Elizabeth ii, like, her mom was gangster. Get me wrong, it was a G, but ruthless. But Queen Elizabeth ii, that's compassion.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: She is very. Actually similar to the Ukrainian president in that they want to be in there. They don't want to be on the sidelines. My being a leader should not have any merit on my being a person.

Cristina: Being in there, though, and being in.

Jack: Military, being in the war, fighting with your people, standing there, helping them firsthand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All those things, like, she's. She and him are very similar. He would. It would make sense if you can Pick a random leader to rule Earth at any given moment and, like, she's the one leaving. Who's next? It should be the Ukrainian president.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Be king of the world.

Cristina: Nah. I don't know. I don't think so.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't know him.

Jack: You don't know the queen either.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. I don't know. They trusted her, and she did a great job.

Jack: She did. She did. But he's just a guy like any other guy, so who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. Who knows? I don't know. Was he this great before this war?

Jack: Like, interesting, Interesting. Maybe he's only, like, a savage at war. Maybe he should be a general. You know? Like, maybe that's the point here. Maybe that's what we're gonna learn. Hey, the country sucked until that war began. Then he really turned it on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Maybe throw him at the military, then. What the h***?

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Or make him run the branch of government that directly interacts with the military. That makes sense. But anyhow, let's quickly brush over something interesting.

Cristina: What?

Jack: These people's money. We talked about it before, but let's. Let's really think about this. $86 million of taxpayer money is paid to the crown, and that allows the family to continue to survive and do the things they do and have a castle encrusted with gold everywhere. Gold everywhere. For no reason. Excessive amounts of money. Yeah. And like, it's well known that Queen Elizabeth II took it upon herself to decrease how exaggerated this number was.

Cristina: She did.

Jack: Yeah. Because this is actually the old number.

Cristina: Oh. What's the new number?

Jack: Well, Queen Elizabeth reduced it by several million. Average about 20, 21 million, which would drop that down to about 65 million instead of 86.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And interesting enough, supplemented the other part by getting donations. Getting people to create the funds for them and things to people who support the crown. So heavily fanatics.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To then donate and create enough.

Cristina: That makes sense. That works.

Jack: Yeah. Because you're just taking away the obligation from certain people. Or not taking away the. But you're reducing the cost of the obligation.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then making up the difference by allowing people who want to give you more to do that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think completely remove the tax part of it and just whoever wants to donate.

Cristina: I wonder. That's how we got. Because now she's gone. So the family.

Jack: No reason to donate to these people who just think they're celebrities.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You. Celebrity for what? Dude, Kim f***** the famous guy. What did you do? You know, like, she made it to the Top of that pole, b****. What did you do? You're just born. Shut the f*** up.

Cristina: I guess they're the child of the Queen. They're the children. The Queen's children.

Jack: The handicapped children of the Queen.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, they are.

Jack: She ended racism in England. Well, didn't end racism, but, you know, injustice.

Cristina: No way. What exactly did she do?

Jack: She changed laws to put equality everywhere. She wanted people of any race to have access to all the same things. And England is absurdly racist. So let's take out the laws that allow people to behave racist, and then they're just stuck with their thoughts without any action.

Cristina: Weird. I think I. I read something. I don't know if I read it wrong, but it sounded like everywhere, like, you have to hire people. It's equal opportunity. Except for in their home.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like they can hire people based on race.

Jack: Yeah. They could do whatever they want.

Cristina: They are everywhere else. You can't. You. But there is. It's not. It's.

Jack: No, no. There's no. Yeah. There's no rule to it. But also you can look at the staff and see a pattern.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, so you can look at.

Jack: The staff and see a pattern.

Cristina: So. I don't know if I read that right or.

Jack: No, you're definitely right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It is well well known that there is some bit of lopsidedness with that and the fact that. Well, the problem is nannies a lot of the time spend time with the children more than the parents. You're gonna say your royal child was raised by a black woman. That's what. That's how they're thinking. That's what's happening there. That's why, like, even the cleanup people who are. Who's gonna be around our family the most, they cannot be black. They can't be Hispanic. No, no, no, no.

Cristina: What about the guards?

Jack: No, everybody's white. Oh, everybody. You work for us. You're white. You have to be you around us, you're white. You got to be as white as possible.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You could apply. You get rejected.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Because you're not qualified. But then you look at all the qualified people. There's one qualification you gotta be waiting.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So she didn't end racism.

Jack: She did not end racism.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just injustice.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Outside of her house. Yeah, that's it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The rest of you, stop doing it.

Cristina: It's wrong.

Jack: Turns around, walks in the house. You mnf. Error. You Emine. What? Just casually Eminevin enters just as she walks inside. Everybody stop being racist to the kind black people. Turns around, enters, enters.

Cristina: Okay, just right there.

Jack: Dropping it.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: D***. Can you imagine? No, I don't think she'd be like that. Her family probably just all of them.

Cristina: There's a secret tape of her saying the N word somewhere.

Jack: Can you imagine that? Be. Probably. No, I don't think of her probably of like one of her child banging children. Which one is the one who was, like, chilling and hanging out on the island with the guy?

Cristina: I don't know. It could be Charles. I have no idea.

Jack: It's Andrew, right?

Cristina: Andrew.

Jack: Yes, Andrew.

Cristina: Which one's Andrew?

Jack: I don't even know who's born of Charles.

Cristina: No, that's Harry. No, that is Andrew's.

Jack: Yes. It's just right. It's. Dude, I don't know. It. Turtles all the way down.

Cristina: It turtles all the way down.

Jack: It's so many turtles. Okay, so how many turtles for. It's all the turtles all the way down.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, well, it doesn't matter because they're all lizard people anyway.

Jack: Yeah. They weren't a human to begin with. Look, this is. This is the ultimate conclusion here. The queen is amazing. The queen did a lot. The queen held the planet together. And she's passed. And that's crazy and tragic. And Rush is gonna have a frenzy and we're all screwed. And apocalypse began as soon as, whatever, these lanternflies showed up. And they're gonna eat all the food and she doesn't have to experience the famine. So she like. Good. Good on her.

Cristina: Good on her.

Jack: Good on her. She. She survived so long, and then she's like, well, I can't stop this problem. F*** you guys. No. Yeah, it's like it. The problem showed up and it's really, like, too much. And she's like, I'm not trying this one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So now she's in a different place without lanternflies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So she's leaving the problem with us. Now it's in our hands. There's no more Betty White and Queens to help us solve the lantern fly problem, people. So the. The ultimate conclusion here is we have to figure out the lanternfly problem before they eat all the crops and we starve to death.

Cristina: I think I. I think it's the end. Yeah. Okay. It's the end.

Jack: So may Queen Elizabeth rest in peace.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, I don't care about the new king, so either way, God bless the queen.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Wherever she is.

Cristina: Wherever she is.

Jack: Word. Because it does suck. Never be purity that way again. One of a kind. Fascinating. So to her, I spill Some. Some. I'll buy something and spill it later. Let's spill some.

Cristina: Drink water.

Jack: She had like, like golden wine made of real gold would just instantly kill anybody who's not a lizard.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, just straight gold into the throat.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Just melted gold. And they can tank it because they're lizards.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Doesn't even harden in their body. It's just liquid gold. It stays like they pee it right out. Still liquid.

Cristina: Okay. What are you talking about?

Jack: The liquid gold they drink that I'm gonna be spilling. Buy some of their stuff and spill it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, we've never ever mentioned the queen here before, so there's not like a reference material. This is really just in honor of the queen. So. Yeah, I hope you guys. I mean we still. We're still. We're still pretty dumb and say dumb.

Cristina: S*** straight through on other podcasts.

Jack: Yeah, on this one too.

Cristina: On this one.

Jack: But it is what it is. Look, we. We're not disrespecting the queen though. That ain't happening. Anyways, you guys, if you want more episodes of many other topics, I suppose. Or do you want to find other places like your friend is some whack noob who doesn't do podcast platforms so you need to show him on social media so that he knows and. Or she knows, you know, I want to be attacked by some blue haired chick. But yeah, so you can, you can send them social medias so they can get the idea and want to go to the. To the platform because they convinced of which the social media is our Facebook, Twitter and Instagram. And you can find all that at. Just come with Bob.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yeah, it's very important you guys do that. You need to like leave comments and stuff. And leave a crown. Leave us an emoji. I'm still waiting on those.

Cristina: Give us a crown emoji or the princess. I think there's a princess emoji because she be queening. Yeah, the queen or the queen. If there's a queen emoji.

Jack: Yas queen.

Cristina: And watch the crown and leave us a review of the show.

Jack: Oh my God. Leave us a. Watch the first season of the crown.

Cristina: And then leave us a review on that season.

Jack: A review on the first season of the crown. But don't comment as though you're leaving it on us about that. Comment. Leave the review that you're leaving as though we made the crown.

Cristina: That's very complicated.

Jack: Yeah, they're gonna. If they didn't like it they're telling us, like, it's our fault if they loved it. Well, you're gonna tell us we did a great job and what parts of our hard work you like.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: So come and tell us how we did in making the Netflix's the Crown. So, you know, do that.

Cristina: Yes, let's. And let people who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Word of mouth. Scream it out. Tell people.

Cristina: Scream it. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Yes. Is that the only example? There has to be. Other people speak like that. Right.

Jack: Like, the don't understand how, like, grammar, like, English grammar works. I mean, I guess. Right. There's a. Like, that probably just happens in language naturally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When people are like, well, I speak this and I'm learning that thing, and I'm saying words in that thing with the rules of this thing that I grew up doing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And, like, it doesn't make sense, but, I mean, the people get it. They know what I'm trying to say based on how I'm saying it backwards or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, if you were trying to speak, like, Spanish but in the English way, you sound like Yoda to the Spanish person.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Like, there's some words that you're not. You're supposed to say in reverse in Spanish.

Jack: Like, okay, yo tingo ambre. I have hunger.

Cristina: Hunger. Yes. Like, you wouldn't say that. Yeah, but like, descriptions. How would you say that pretty cat.

Jack: Ese gato es lindo. Essay. That cat is pretty. That cat is pretty.

Cristina: Okay, that pretty cat jumped.

Jack: That pretty. Okay, that pretty cat jumped. Essay. Oh, I got. Yeah, you're right. Esegato. So we already swapped the cat forward. We took it from wherever it was in the back. Essegato. What was it Pretty. That pretty cat. What pretty cat jumped. Ise gato lindo brinko. Wait, how do you know this line?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Where'd that line come from? How did you just have that loaded?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Like, that was fire. I dig it.

September 03, 2022

Rambling 190: Blind vs Deaf

September 03, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

How important are the senses? Is it worse to be blind or deaf? Does Losing senses mean you develop superpower-like abilities with the enhancement of your other senses? The duo tackle the age-old question of whether it’s worse to be blind of deaf.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Benefits of Being Blind
Benefits of Being Deaf
Drawbacks of Blindness
Drawbacks of Deafness
How Superpowers Happen
Daredevil

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Now we're talking about the closed captions in movies that tell deaf people cues about things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And how blind people.

Cristina: They don't have any of that.

Jack: They don't have any of that. Their thing is the foley versus the imagery. So the first argument is a blind person is watching a movie and the movie has birds in a corner. The guy walks to the birds in the corner, the birds fly away. We see the birds fly away, we hear the birds fly away.

Cristina: And you're saying that the blind person.

Jack: The question that I'm posing is, the.

Cristina: Blind person, what are they imagining?

Jack: What are they imagining? Do they. They hear the footsteps from the person walking and then they hear the birds flapping away? Or. Or do they hear the main character speak? Then somebody use a flat piece of wood and smack it against a bird of gravel repeatedly, and then they hear an umbrella open and close.

Cristina: Is that even the same scene? I don't understand.

Jack: It is because the sound of him walking when we're watching him walk towards the birds was recreated by somebody using a hunk of wood and gravel. And then the birds flapping their wings was recreated by somebody moving an umbrella open and close next to the microphone. So the question is, did the blind person. Because the blind person doesn't have the visual cue that says this is the sound of birds and this is the sound of shoes. They hear words.

Cristina: Yes, but I heard a person say something.

Jack: They heard a person say something, then they heard the. The sound of something that sound like to us walking because we saw it.

Cristina: But to them, something else to them.

Jack: What is it?

Cristina: Why wouldn't it be walking?

Jack: Why would it be walking? Why wouldn't they just hear what the literal sound they're hearing is? Because they don't have a visual cue to trick them.

Cristina: The literal sound would not be of a person walking.

Jack: It wouldn't be of a person walking. Maybe they didn't even record a person walking to get that sound. We only think of it that way because they showed it to us at the same time.

Cristina: But, like, if they didn't do that, we would not know. I don't understand.

Jack: How do you mean?

Cristina: Like if they played some random sound? I don't. Because it's sim. It's so much Similar. At least to what we like. It has to be. They put some random sound while we were walking. Would we not be able to tell?

Jack: Yes, for sure.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: If they put a random sound in place of our walking.

Cristina: Yes. We're gonna be like, yeah, that's still walking.

Jack: No, no, no, we'll be able to tell.

Cristina: But isn't that what they're doing in the first, Like.

Jack: No, they don't. The problem is that we're not idiots. We obviously are using both cues, and we're like, this one's wrong.

Cristina: Okay. But the one that's similar is right. Even if it's not the same. It's just similar enough that we're like, yeah, that's someone walking.

Jack: How similar are they? Is the question.

Cristina: You're saying that they're. That. Oh, you're. You're saying that they are to us, though, and not to someone who can't.

Jack: Yes, it's similar to us because we've already associated these sounds with it. But these people have never associated these sounds with it because they don't have the visual cue to go with it. And nobody tells them at any moment. Oh, and that's the sound of somebody walking?

Cristina: I don't know. But they have heard people walking all the time.

Jack: Exactly. So they know what people walking sound like. So when they hear the fake people sound for walking in a movie, do they not hear people walking? Because they do, in fact, know what people walking sounds like.

Cristina: I'm sure they.

Jack: They know it in such detail that they're like, this is a person pretending to walk.

Cristina: Probably. I don't know. I don't know. That's weird. But they know what movies are and would have to understand, like, yeah, that has to be a person walking, even if it's not really a person walking.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, they could put that together. Unless you're gonna show them a movie and not tell them it's a movie and then ask them what happened.

Jack: But no, you can't tell them step by step everything that everybody's doing, all the. There's a million different sounds up.

Cristina: No, you're just. You're not gonna tell them anything about what? Of what's happening. You're not gonna tell them you're gonna play them a movie?

Jack: No, they know they're watching a movie. The question is, all the sounds that are in that movie. There's many sounds in that movie. Are they. Are they cat. Are they picking up what they're putting down?

Cristina: Probably most of it.

Jack: You think?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like, they probably question some things and.

Jack: Yeah, very. Enough. Like some of them are convincing enough.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And others like what? That's very off.

Cristina: Because some of it, even for us, it's the same thing in movie. Like Jurassic park with the dinosaurs roaring. You don't question whether that sounds like a dinosaur or not. And that's not a dinosaur. I think it was pigs or something. Some random. Yes, I forgot what it was. Exactly. But you know, it was something else because we can't.

Jack: Yes. Now the question would be, would the sound of those dinosaurs just sound like a pig to a blind person? That's what I'm asking.

Cristina: Or whatever the sound. Is it a pig? I don't remember. I know it's something.

Jack: But let's say was what would the blind person just hear pigs?

Cristina: No way. No way. Just picturing what it sounds like. It sounds like real roar, even if it's not real roar.

Jack: Like a screech or a screech.

Cristina: A screech.

Jack: Because it slowed it down or something, right? In that case, no, because we don't hear it at those speeds normally.

Cristina: Yeah, I mean it's a made up sound in that case. So like they can't picture a pig. They can't picture.

Jack: They did not connect anything. It has to be the example of something that they.

Cristina: That's real.

Jack: That's real in the encounter. Enough to distinguish.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And that's just for the blind person. Right. And then for the deaf person. What was that one?

Cristina: Oh, like I was wondering while watching Stranger Things what was happening because I was watching an episode randomly with what's his. One of the episodes where that guy's still in Russia or whatever, Hopper. And there was like, oh, dogs barking. And they described random things like lady screaming in gibberish or whatever. Okay, maybe that's not the right words, but whatever. They were just describing things besides the actual dialogue of like music playing or whatever. And like what's the person watching that thinking that can't hear what's going on? Do they see, like how long does the sounds to them last? Is it just when that object is there? Is it just when the title is there? Not the title, but the actual fonts are there. That's how long it lasts. Like what are they determining of how long does random sounds last besides the dialogue? I guess, yes.

Jack: See, that's pretty interesting because you're totally right. They see things and then get told cues. So you hear or you don't hear, you see and it says sad music or dance music playing. And he sees people dancing, and it's like dance music. You're playing while he has. Now, as soon as people stop dancing, the main characters just stop dancing. They start talking. Now, did the music in his head that he was playing along with it stop playing?

Cristina: Yeah, he's like. It's probably still playing in the scene.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Lower.

Jack: But would he know?

Cristina: Yeah. Or, like, even. Would he know? And if he did know, but would it still be playing in his own head, in his imagination?

Jack: Yes. Like, when does it cut off?

Cristina: Yeah. And, like, the dog is barking in the background. You don't see the dog. You don't know how long it's barking. There's no way you're gonna picture exactly how long. You can't guess. I mean, you can guess, but it's no way that it's gonna be accurate to what's actually happening.

Jack: It's impossible.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we have an interesting perceptual conundrum because it's confusing in either direction. Death or blind.

Cristina: Yeah. But I don't think it ruins the shows for them because it's still the same thing. I mean, unless in your example, where it's, like, completely random things, I guess.

Jack: Yeah. It sounds like gibberish to them.

Cristina: Yeah. But in for the blind person is still pretty much the same thing. The important things are there. Which. A deaf person. The important things have to be there, too. They can Not a deaf person. A blind person.

Jack: Yeah. I think that's harder. It sucks to be blind over being deaf because, like, being deaf, you can at least see your world.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's gotta be easier for them to watch it. I wonder how blind people do it. Or I wondered until I found it out. And they use. What is the word? Audio descriptors.

Jack: Audio descriptors.

Cristina: Is that what it's called?

Jack: That's a caption, isn't it?

Cristina: Oh, yeah. It's more. It's a little bit more than that. It really describes, like, the person also speaking what's happening while the stuff is happening. They're saying, like, okay, now she closes her eyes and things like that. While the actual auto.

Jack: Like, a lot of people are the blind person.

Cristina: Yeah, they. There's a lot of new and streaming services have this on their shows, and they said, like, Netflix is one of the best ones. And I have a little clip, though, from Stranger Things since I was talking about Stranger Things. And it's a little like the audio description with the audio. If you want to hear that.

Jack: All right. Yeah, let's take a listen to that. Audio description, highlights 11 closes her eyes.

Cristina: Elsewhere in the lab, the man from the photo sits at a table with.

Jack: A piece of paper. I can't see anything at all.

Cristina: Okay. That's just a tiny example because they have, you know, of course they have them talking and stuff too, but that's a good example of like just them describing what's happening.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: In the scene and like that. It's gotta be very helpful.

Jack: Yeah. It sounds more like reading a book almost where the book is, trying to convey the information without any of the visual cues.

Cristina: Or listening to an audio book.

Jack: Yeah. You're listening to an audiobook.

Cristina: Yeah. That's pretty cool.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Yeah, because it doesn't ruin the experience. Like maybe if the person was really boring or something. But at least that lady was interesting to listen to. Like her voice was fine.

Jack: Well, when it comes to movies, the cues you get from being blind are way beneficial when you have somebody guiding you like that because you still have the music making it tense.

Cristina: Actually a lot of people, they do find the music very helpful of how they should feel about a scene.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The blindfold music is very helpful, 100%.

Jack: Until we're talking about deaf people.

Cristina: Yes. I, I don't know. Deaf people, they just have to have someone telling them what's happening. Guessing. These blind people also have someone telling them, like if they're with someone that they're watching the movie with, who can watch the movie? They'll just tell them and that's how they get it. Like, and you know, like you take your best friend who wants to watch the movie with you but you can't see.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: He's gonna describe it for you.

Jack: Yeah. When cool things happen. Like this happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also, chances are you still have, let's say you watch it in a theater. They have a little closed caption connection thingy. So you can hear the closed capt narration thing.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, what do you do if you're friggin blind? I don't know.

Jack: Well, if you're blind, you do that.

Cristina: If you're blind.

Jack: If you're deaf is when you're screen.

Cristina: Oh, when you're deaf, crap can keep confusing them. Yes. When you're deaf, what do you do?

Jack: Because that's a problem, Right? Being deaf sucks hard. Kind of. Only when you're at a movie. It beats being blind in so many ways. But then like the drawbacks of it are like pretty immense.

Cristina: We can see what's happening at least.

Jack: You can. 100%. You can. Totally.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But why does it say sad music plays in the Subtitles So you know sad closed caption. What is is that supposed to do? The same thing the book is doing. It's trying to give you the cue, but it now it's trying to give you a sound cue.

Cristina: Yes. To a sound you probably don't know.

Jack: To a sound you probably don't know.

Cristina: But, you know, sad.

Jack: I'm guessing they should have just said sad vibes.

Cristina: Sad vibes. I don't know. That's kind of ruining it. If sad music is playing, you want to know sad music is playing. Even if you don't know what that sad music is. Just sad vibes they could take away from the movie.

Jack: Oh, no. You can also say the tone gets, you know, and then use a clever word for sad.

Cristina: Yes, I guess. But if sad music is playing, wouldn't you want to know? Even if you have no idea what that sad music is, would you need.

Jack: To know that music is that we need to know.

Cristina: But wouldn't you want to know?

Jack: Why would you want to know? How does it affect your life to picture it? You can't. You can't picture it because it sound that you can't. You. You literally don't have that power.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: But.

Cristina: And if you're both. What do you mean, blind and deaf?

Jack: Well, you're screwed at that point. There's not really a lot that we could do about that.

Cristina: You don't think they can watch movies?

Jack: That's what happened to that girl Helen Keller, Right? She's deaf and blind.

Cristina: Some other thing.

Jack: Mute. Well, that's by the default. Yeah. Deaf, blind, and mute. But the mute part happens because the deaf and blind part, you know, it wasn't really that she was mute as much as, like, where would she get an example of how to talk if she can't see somebody moving their mouth and can't hear somebody doing it either?

Cristina: But isn't her amazing story that she learned how to talk or something?

Jack: Stories that she learned how to communicate. That's the.

Cristina: Oh, not by talking.

Jack: No. It's like sign language and touch and bull crap like that. It's really difficult to communicate with her.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. She is a frog at the bottom of a well and you have to talk to her through that opening.

Cristina: It's horrible. Okay.

Jack: Okay. In your case, what would you rather be deaf or be blind?

Cristina: I don't know. It depends on the moment. I don't know. It's really, really, really hard.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because I love seeing. I instinctively would want to see.

Jack: Yes. But I think most People would choose.

Cristina: That out on music and sounds. That's so insane.

Jack: Yes, but it feels like you're so trapped in a place if you can't.

Cristina: Hear anything, if you can't. If you can't see anything, you can't see anything.

Jack: Destiny. Like, you're. You're. You. You gotta adapt to navigating the world without sight. You gotta navigate the world without sight. You're trading that. Like you. That's what you get when you choose. Imma be able to hear music, though. But I'll never again be able to see where I'm going. So you'll never see my family.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Never see my friends.

Cristina: So seeing is more important, Is it though? Is it?

Jack: I never see another cat. I never see another dog. I never see art.

Cristina: You get to see all those things, but you don't get to hear any of that. Is that easier? It has to be, right?

Jack: If you have kids, you'll never see them.

Cristina: Is that a big deal?

Jack: You'll never know what your children look like.

Cristina: Yeah, well, I think.

Jack: Never see another color. Never see another color.

Cristina: Yeah. Who would choose being deaf over seeing? I mean, no.

Jack: No music, no hearing. You'll never hear your children. You'll never hear your mom's voice again. You'll never hear your dad's voice again. You never hear your siblings voices again.

Cristina: And you can still imagine, like, no, I don't know. Are we doing this, like, based on if you're born this way or versus you became this way because, like, presumably became not born? Okay.

Jack: So that you knew what it was like if you were to go blind or go.

Cristina: Then I feel like death. Yes. I don't want to know. I want to be deaf. Yes.

Jack: Because if you're born. Yeah, you could totally be deaf. I mean, blind, whatever, who cares? Either one of them is whatever.

Cristina: It's whatever. Yeah.

Jack: S***. It's all, you know.

Cristina: Mm. But becoming. Yeah. I rather lose my hearing.

Jack: Yeah, man.

Cristina: Because I can still remember those things.

Jack: It'll fade.

Cristina: It'll fade.

Jack: Even the memory and scramble over time. Think of what, like your oldest memories are. They're hazy and, like, foggy and unclear and you can't really make out the faces in the scene.

Cristina: I feel like I can visualize it more than I can hear it more. But then again, I have no idea if that's even close to the picture of what it was.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: But there's still something there that's.

Jack: Listen, this is all you got to think about. Take a camera and take a photo of anything and Then start reducing the pixel number gradually.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So it starts getting blurry and blurry. And that's time passing on a memory. Now, it's still the same thing, but if it's blurry enough, crap starts to look like other crap. Okay, you get my point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's where it starts to get foggy. The memory was the same. Nothing was added. But eventually, your mind is to start struggling to figure it out, and it's like, maybe. Maybe this is what that was.

Cristina: Yeah. But I feel like my mind, it's quicker with the sound to lose that memory than the visual.

Jack: Like, you lose the sound, but you don't lose the visual.

Cristina: Like, I probably do both. But I'm saying that it's quicker to lose the sound to lose the sound. So that might be the winner, I guess. For me.

Jack: He's a very visual person.

Cristina: Yes. It would be so insane not to see the world. I don't know. And I'm sure if you're deaf, you probably think being blind is worse in both cases.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You're already used to what you are.

Jack: Exactly.

Cristina: So, though the situation has to sound horrible. Yeah. I think I wouldn't want to be blind.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I wouldn't want to be both.

Jack: Well, I think I would also want to be deaf over blind. But then I remembered the one powerful argument that kind of sends us the other way. And it depends. It depends how you feel about it.

Cristina: Okay, but you were gonna say death over blind.

Jack: Deaf. I was gonna say blind over deaf. No, I'd rather be dead. My bad. I'd rather be deaf over blind. Yes.

Cristina: Okay, but you said something has changed your mind about that.

Jack: No, I'm just saying that this is a different thing to consider.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Which is that you could be. In being blind, you're disconnected from things you don't see the things in the world. But in being deaf, you're connected from.

Cristina: People you're connected from.

Jack: Yes. In being blind, you're disconnected from things. In being deaf, you're disconnected from people.

Cristina: How?

Jack: Because in being blind, what you're not seeing is just stuff. But in being deaf, you lose tone, you lose sarcasm, you lose so much. So much disappears. Communication, yeah. Ceases, and you go back to basics where you can't tell. Well, did he say it with a funny tone? Did he say it with a serious tone? Was there sadness in his voice? Is my mom worried? Is she scared? You know, those things that. That's gone forever. You. When you're deaf, you're disconnected from people. When you're blind, you're disconnected from things. But somebody can sit next to you and be like, man, I gotta tell you my problems. And you hear the tone and you. You're there for the purse. You can be there easy, because you're not disconnected from people just. And people's bodies. But that's not their personality. They're not their body. No, but when you're deaf, you lose communication with their personality. You can only communicate with their body.

Cristina: That is annoying. I don't know. You need both. I don't know.

Jack: Well, no, people live with.

Cristina: I know. Yes, but that sucks. That sucks. They both suck. Okay. You made both of them horrible.

Jack: Yeah. It's pretty crazy, right?

Cristina: Yeah. So what is worse? I don't know.

Jack: It's a pretty hard call. I think I would still lean in favor of being deaf over blind. I need to see the world. I really. I really feel like I could cope more with being deaf.

Cristina: I think so. But I don't know. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. And there'd be no way to find out. Right. Because if you went one way, you could never find out what the other one was.

Cristina: Unless you could in some kind of weird experiment where you went one way for a week and then you went the other way for a week or whatever length of time you wanted.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, if you can go back, who cares? Do it for the entirety, since you can go back.

Cristina: Yeah. So I don't know how long you'd want to do that. Experimental.

Jack: Maybe it adds something, you know? You never really know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe it adds some value to your life that you're like, I'd rather be this way.

Cristina: What? That'd be interesting. If people.

Jack: Maybe your senses heighten enough that you're like, wow, I don't even need to see. This is so overpowered. Or the other way. I don't even need to hear. Man, this is too crazy. Think about. I'll never forget. Oh, I know. I've told you a story. I was once walking many, many years ago. I was walking down the street. There's this old lady with a big fluffy dog, and she was blind. And this old lady, this time, I thought her did not have her big fluffy dog. She was walking by herself. And I was. I walk very quietly. Not a sound. You couldn't hear me sneaking up on you if you were a normal person. But as I am walking towards, I'm not nowhere near this person. Like, people could not hear me on top of them.

Cristina: They're behind her.

Jack: I'm way behind her.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But I'm Moving pretty quickly. But again, people on. I could be on top of some people, and they would not hear me from how quietly I move, but at such a large distance. This lady turns around, and it's like, hey. To let me know that she knows that I'm there in case I was sneaking up on her to do something.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. Which I wasn't, obviously. But, yeah. Interesting that she had the super sound awareness to hear me barely making a sound at such a large distance.

Cristina: Okay. I thought you were gonna say, like, she said, hey, and then she said your name or something. Like, what? How did she know?

Jack: How did. How would that relate. Deaf, deaf, blind, or blind? Yeah, how would she relate to being blind? Right.

Cristina: I don't know. Like, your. Your steps have a distinct sound to it that she can. She could tell.

Jack: I bet she can.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I bet she can. I'm pretty sure I've read or heard or seen something about that before, that those kinds of things become the identifiers, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. That's interesting. But you'd have to know her well enough or something like that.

Jack: Yeah. She was just a stranger.

Cristina: Yeah. That you've seen.

Jack: That I've seen. So who knows? Maybe she did know my steps because she lived in the same area I did. We crossed paths quite often.

Cristina: Oh. But that hey wasn't a hi. Hey, you better slow down.

Jack: Yeah. Somewhere in the middle of that, it was, like, not a high to me as a hey person. I know. But it was like, letting people know, oh, yeah, I can move or something if you need me to, or I'm here. I know you're here if you want to do some harm.

Cristina: Somewhere in that.

Jack: In that ballpark, you know, of, like, I'm alerting you that I know you're here, regardless of whether it's. I can move out of the way or so that you can freak.

Cristina: Would you respond? Did you say anything?

Jack: No, he just walked by.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Say hey back.

Jack: But I'll never forget that. That was very interesting. Very interesting.

Cristina: Did that stop you for a second?

Jack: No, I just kept going.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Give it the slightest crap.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Okay. That's the superpower she has. Like, maybe there are wins to this that perhaps would make you want to be deaf or blind over being able to see. I know. Particularly with deaf people.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A lot of the time they're like, I don't think I would change. I don't think I would take listening over not listening.

Cristina: Listening over non listening.

Jack: Yeah. Like, some deaf people actually believe that. I mean, I guess you're not f****** wrong. It's that the majority is real way superficial. It's the whole freaks and geeks logic. Right. You're forced to be an outcast and see the world from the outside. So you're aware how the inside is f****** stupid.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so as a deaf person, the inside is where the listeners are. There's a lot of them. And like, it's not the listeners, but also I know for a fact it's not the deaf people that.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The people who suck.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I know for a fact it's not the deaf people, but it's some of the listeners. And I couldn't like, tell you which. So I just stick to the deaf people.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: So there's a lot of that. They rather just really be deaf and like around deaf people. So that's fascinating. There might be wins that we don't even think about. Communication benefits that come to exist. Sign language, you can communicate under any circumstance, at any distance, so long as you have a line of sight.

Cristina: Mm. That's gotta be cool.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: So your own secret language.

Jack: Total secrecy.

Cristina: It's a secret language. It's not really a secret if you know it, but yeah, kind of interesting, right? Yeah.

Jack: The question is, Zen, what are the.

Cristina: Benefits of being blind?

Jack: Of being blind?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: What are the benefits of being blind? Definitely some crazy ability to hear and definitely music forever. Also, your listening must become so hypersensitive. You enjoy music more than you did before. You see nuance in music if you're.

Cristina: Becoming or it doesn't matter if it's before or after. Like you're born.

Jack: In our scenario, you've. You become after you've already experienced.

Cristina: Okay, some benefits.

Jack: I don't know the ones I've just mentioned.

Cristina: Yeah, but besides the music, what else is there?

Jack: Well, I don't know. You can definitely hear things more clearly. You can hear better. You can enjoy the sounds of Earth. People can't ever sneak on you ever again. You can hear and communicate with people. I wonder.

Cristina: Crossing the street is easier for them. Either death or blind.

Jack: Because for a deaf person who can still see, it's probably way easier. Can. You can literally look in every direction and see if the street is empty. That's an over sight is overpowered.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's amazing. All the creatures on this planet have it. Or most. Many.

Cristina: Many.

Jack: Being deaf, you have to hope. You can't confirm for a fact. You have to hope that you're hearing what you're hearing.

Cristina: Mm. What I don't know. That's crazy.

Jack: So then that's for blind, right? Yeah, that's blind. If you're blind, you have to hope you're hearing what you're hearing. If you're deaf, you can see it.

Cristina: If you're deaf, you can see it.

Jack: You can see it. Crossing the street is easier deaf than blind.

Cristina: Mm. If you're blind, I guess that's why you would have something with you that's helping you navigate. Navigate. Yeah, because it would feel.

Jack: You don't need the help if you're deaf.

Cristina: Yeah. So then that's another benefit of why that one's better.

Jack: Yeah. You need some level of assistance because the world is designed for the seer.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Like, you can't hear the stoplight or the sign or anything. The cars. I don't know. Whoa. For the person who can hear, I wonder if they can cross the street better than a person who can see in here. Because I know people who can see in here, and they still have a horrible time crossing the street.

Jack: Yeah, that's because people are idiots. They're not really focused on their surroundings. They're probably looking at their phones.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: But.

Cristina: So it's kind of suck being deaf.

Jack: Well, again, what are the benefits? We can hear music.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I mean, not deaf. Blind. Being blind.

Cristina: Blind. Oh, yeah. Being blind.

Jack: So we can hear music better. We can hear people better. We can communicate. That's an important point. We can communicate. We can talk to people. We can hear the voices of those around us. We can stay connected to humans, which in return, makes getting help from humans significantly easier, because you can still connect on a real level as opposed to being deaf. Which makes sense, I guess, why deaf people end up talking to deaf people. Because listeners require a lot of cues, and deaf people don't have those tonal cues. They have the body language cues. So that's the. How you send the message. Your face, how you slouch, how you move, how you like. That's how you're displaying. And again, this is very emotive.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: For the listener. They see so much emotion, they're catching on to what you're. They can pick up what you're putting down. It's excessive.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it kind of cuts you off from them when they try to communicate. And they seem kind of like, literally tone deaf, because they can emote themselves better because they have to be physically emotive, but because the listener requires, they use voice tone to convey some of that same information, so they're less physically emotive yeah.

Cristina: So that we do for the deaf person.

Jack: That's weirder for both. When the. The case of the listener, the deaf person probably seems excessive. And in the case of the deaf person, because they can't actually catch the vocal tones, the listening people feel a little muted, a little flat, a little gray.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they're missing the flavor of how your voice telling a lot of information and you're not going out of your way to display it physically the way that somebody deaf would have to to convey information to somebody else deaf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So again, you are cut off from people if you are deaf, but you are cut off from things. Things if you're blind. And like that matters less unless you're trying to.

Cristina: If you're trying to be like an independent without having to worry about someone else. Like, if you want to live alone, you want to do things on your own, you want to cross that street by yourself, you can.

Jack: You can do this. If you're blind, you can. A lot of blind people do it all the time, but they have things. A stick.

Cristina: Stick or dog.

Jack: Yeah. Some people just stand and listen. There are those people. That is a thing that is akin to gambling.

Cristina: Yes, I know.

Jack: How far away the next f******. Here's the thing. You don't know how far, how big the street is and like how long before you get to their side.

Cristina: Well, I guess they have. Well, in some spots now I'm thinking of like things when you're crossing the street and you click the button and then they. It's like a voice that talks to you and tells you, okay, this is it. Counts it down for you. Of like how long you have to cross the street.

Jack: That is so far and in between.

Cristina: Yes, I know. But like.

Jack: Like a blind person would be f***** trying to find that one.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Like, has a blind person ever stumbled upon one of those? Who are those for?

Cristina: In a very dangerous areas. I see that. Not date fair. I guess dangerous because it's like truck drive in that area. It's very populated with trucks and that's where it's at. And it's like. Okay, yeah. Because anyone. You need to worry, you don't want to get hit by a truck. That's crazy. But so that would be good for both for anyone, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that's not really a matter of being deaf or blind.

Cristina: They could help.

Jack: Yeah. Like it. It'll help anybody because it's good information in a dangerous spot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some people are dumb and they both see in here, you know, like Anything helps.

Cristina: Anything else. Yeah, anything helps.

Jack: Okay, so here is how the senses getting stronger works. When you lose a sense, those neurological pathways don't go wasted in the brain. So the brain dedicates those same neurological pathways to all the other senses, the ones that would process whatever is missing. So if you were to process visual information but you are blind, that's going to get converted to sense. Touch, taste, smell.

Cristina: To all the senses.

Jack: Yeah, I said sense. To hearing.

Cristina: Touch, taste, smell, Hearing, touch, taste, smell. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: And in the case of crossing that street that we're talking about, you would more easily be able to track a car's position in space just based on their sound. Based on their sound, just based on where they are. You'd be more capable of tracking an object in space without sight because you're more refined hearing their location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because the location is also a visual aspect.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's the same with being deaf. Then like, then you can hear more, but I mean, I hear you see more. More or something.

Jack: You can see in greater. You can see in greater detail.

Cristina: In greater detail.

Jack: And again, the senses must feed you the. The auditory information. You must receive the auditory information somehow. So all your other senses must get stronger in every case. In the case of a deaf person, not having sight seems to increase their language capacity. Interesting.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: They're better with language.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It increases their motor functions, their cognitive functions, their spatial awareness.

Cristina: Okay. That's all cool because you got to.

Jack: Train at crossing a street where you have to hear a moving up. So you. You're so refined at hearing and tracking objects around you. I guess that kind of explains that old lady. Yeah, she just kind of knows because the information is all there. Her visual information is fed to her ears. She can see in every direction.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because you can hear in every direction.

Cristina: So she knew you're coming because she had her. She has spidey senses.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. I'm behind her and she can see me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because she can hear in 360 and her seeing got fed into her hearing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting. Yeah, interesting. You see how that works?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now how does that work the other way? Because that seems like a way one way street. Because if you are then deaf, how does your hearing get fed into your seeing?

Cristina: I thought it was the whole you can see a little better or. No.

Jack: Well, you can see a little better. But we just gave a perfect example of how that plays out for being blind. So what's a perfect example of that for being deaf? What's the scenario that could Take place that we could be like, oh, yeah, that clearly gets influenced. This situation could use that help.

Cristina: This situation can use that. Well, if you can understand what. How people are feeling and stuff, like, through their body language better, like, communicating with people is easier.

Jack: When you are deaf, that's harder. It's hard because, again, you don't have tone. But I guess you have to receive more from body language. Yeah, yeah. You're picking up more nuance, but it's still. You're picking up on crap at that point, man. No matter what, you're cut off emotionally, you're both superior and inferior. You cannot.

Cristina: Well, you can't hear. You're getting through what you're seeing. Like, you can't hear the sadness in.

Jack: Your voice, but I can see nuances in your expression.

Cristina: It's all saying what you're feeling.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Even though you're not. Yes.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. I see what you mean. So then I mean, then I don't know how the other. That I free that. Not the phrase, but that. You know, that line holds up because being deaf doesn't disconnect you from people. In that case, it keeps you connected to people. Legally. It's a different way.

Cristina: It's just a different way.

Jack: I guess that's the problem. To the other people, that cuts you off.

Cristina: Yes. But you're not.

Jack: You're not cut off. They've cut you off. And in return, you must cut them off in order to be around people who you communicate with equally and aren't confused by you.

Cristina: Yes. I think that makes sense.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. Because then that's. It's still the winner. That's.

Jack: Here's another interesting power that you get being deaf, blind. It seems like that brings a lot. Because you see, the sight is so important, so much information is there that your hearing gets crazy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And one of the things that I. Me, myself, I'm not even, like, particularly blind. I could be walking down a street and actually, no, you could do this at any moment. You're outside, and you just put your hand slowly closer to your ear. The closer it gets, the more the sound changes. And, like, if you weren't doing it and I stood next to you and I put my hand really close to your ear but didn't touch you. The change in how the world sounds would tell you something. Got close, it'd be. You'd be like a little like, whoa, what's up? Next to me? Imagine that turned up to a million. You could see a building because sound is changing in front of it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Do you see what I mean?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You pick it up when I put it down.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's crazy, right? You could just be walking down the street and you're like.

Cristina: You just sort of understand where you're surrounding is.

Jack: Yeah. It's almost so close to echolocation.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's so close.

Cristina: Definitely not.

Jack: It's close. It's a primitive version of it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like if you were to turn that education way down.

Cristina: Mm. It was not like Daredevil type of.

Jack: No, but Daredevil is if you were to turn it up to a thousand.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Mm. So that's a crazy example. But he's definitely. He's blind, right?

Jack: Yeah. Their devil's blind. But he also, you know, he does have powers.

Cristina: He does?

Jack: Yes. His power.

Cristina: Super abilities came from him being.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. I guess it's both. Right. So he's blind.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he falls into, like, this chemical waste thing. But it didn't just enhance all the other stuff because he's blind. As the stuff was enhancing because of the chemical toxic.

Cristina: Oh, so it's like a combination of both things.

Jack: Yeah. It's like. Okay. Your senses are about to get enhanced because you're about to be blind. So from this day forward, all your senses are going to develop except sight.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But also chemical waste. So we're gonna turn that up to a million every. All your senses are gonna enhance because. Not just because blindness, but you're gonna multiply them by the power of this thing. So now you got super senses. Not just enhanced senses evening out the fact that you're blind. It's. If you turned being blind, your sight into a million.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then fed that into normal human other senses.

Cristina: Okay, but does he know that he has a special. These special beliefs because of the fat. And not just because, like, oh, I'm blind. So these powers, like, how did he know?

Jack: He was trained by dude named Stick and everything.

Cristina: And he told him, like, hey, you got powers from the accident.

Jack: They know from. They don't know from the accident. He just knows he has powers. Oh, I don't know if it's from. If he knows it's from the accident.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because he could just think like, oh, I'm just super skilled for being.

Jack: He probably knows it's from that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But his powers are super enhanced. They're not just enhanced because of the blindness, but also just because of the waste or chemical whatever. I don't know if it's chemical waste.

Cristina: It's just regular waste.

Jack: It's his nuclear something. And he fell in there and his power is enhanced. He does have powers, yes.

Cristina: Is there a plot? Wait, no. He's the blind one. Is there a death superhero? I guess. Or at least not a famous one.

Jack: Not that I know of.

Cristina: Like, there's probably one. Dude, we just don't know them.

Jack: Blind person might be able to tell there's a building. And it's similar to echolocation. Again, we can kind of already do that even while we see again. You could just put your hand. If I were to do that while you're walking and you didn't know I was doing it, you'd know I was there. Just based on the sound shift, you'd know something changed. If you turn that up high enough, you can kind of heavily tell about things around you. Just imagine being able to see that at a further range.

Cristina: What about that thing where, like, you feel like someone's looking at you? Is it even stronger?

Jack: I don't think that's an actual thing. That's not one of your senses that we're talking about. Okay, yeah, maybe, I don't know, some unrelated other thing.

Cristina: It's neither.

Jack: Has nothing to do with sight and nothing to do with a hearing.

Cristina: Oh, what is that?

Jack: Because you're not seeing the person and you're not hearing the person, but you.

Cristina: Know they're looking at you.

Jack: Yeah, that's some other thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That is another thing.

Jack: Highly unrelated other thing. But back to the building. Imagine a person that can already. We can already detect those shifts around us. And you do have somebody hold their hand up to your ear till you as close as they can get. And stop where you first notice a change. Right. How far they are holding their hand from your ear. Maybe half a foot before you start hearing a change between the air.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But imagine being blind. Means you can hold your hand twice as far. Three times as far. Four, maybe 10 times as far.

Cristina: Doubtful. What?

Jack: But maybe two to three times and.

Cristina: Then they know, like, hey, yeah.

Jack: Now multiply that by everything. The average person would have two to three times. Now, just knowing that there's a building in your area because it's a little off, it sounds different here. Oh, I'm in between a bunch of structures around me. As a seeing person, I can tell that sonically. As a blind person, could you pinpoint exactly where the buildings are based on how the sound is changing? And it's just sound. You're not seeing it, but it's working in your mind the way echolocation would? That you're kind of structuring the world and you're not seeing anything. But you know where the turns are and where the corners are and where the. Let me move around this and over that. And it's like, some blind people are really good at that stuff.

Cristina: Yes. But isn't it because they have things that help them? Like, you don't. They don't just walk and know, like, sense like that, like with the sticks and stuff. Like, don't they have to physically sometimes know where things are?

Jack: A lot of the time, yes. But maybe the more advanced born deaf people.

Cristina: Oh, that's what you think?

Jack: Yeah, I think people who are born this way have powers. People who aren't must adapt.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You go in with a handicap, somebody who's born with it. Well, all your connections needed to originate without this other function. So they start off entirely dedicated to other things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Your sight has always been fed into your hearing. So your entire ability to track moving objects in space by looking at them got translated to hearing them in space. Moving. That's perfect translation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We already know we have stereo hearing. I can hear if you're on my right or on my left. And it's a little faded and very specifically, directional if you're in the front and it's faded and very specifically, direction of. You're in the back. Now, I couldn't tell if it didn't have that change in. What is it? You have more bass behind me and more treble in front of me. So if that subtle nuance didn't exist, my brain couldn't tell if you were in front of me or behind me if I closed my eyes. But also the shape of my ears is allowing me to do that.

Cristina: The shape of your ears?

Jack: Yeah, because you hear more clearly what's in front of you. You're more muffled what's behind you. So those are. There's a million things helping me already.

Cristina: As a seeing person.

Jack: As a seeing person. And then I take that away and feed that sight into all these other senses. What, to a million. I bet if you are deaf, there must be so many colors you can see. If you are deaf, you have a more complex rainbow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, like, the same designers have one of the most complicated rainbows because they can tell you all the different reds inside of what you call red.

Cristina: Mm. Think they would.

Jack: I think somebody who's deaf also has this naturally, if you're born deaf.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Because you're paying attention to more.

Jack: Yeah. Everything is sight.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the most. Again, you're not tasting everything. The second thing you're coming across is touch. Anyways.

Cristina: The second thing.

Jack: Yeah. Smells pretty good.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But again, it's not really too important for communicating.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And understanding your world.

Cristina: Maybe if you're blind, it would be even more important.

Jack: What, smell?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, probably.

Cristina: Yeah. Besides hearing then smelling.

Jack: It's crazy, right? So if you're blind, all you're missing is hearing. No, if you're blind, all you're missing every. You need everything else. If you're deaf, though, all you need is hearing. But what you lose in being deaf exaggerated what you lose in being blind. Just spatial awareness, which for moving objects and even large objects. Yeah. It doesn't matter because you get. You gain it no matter what. Sight is so overpowered. It boosts what it needs to the right amount.

Cristina: People use it.

Jack: Yeah. No, if you're born with it.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: People we see with walking dogs and crap like that. Those people lost the sight.

Cristina: They lost the sight.

Jack: They lost their sight. You know, they were. They were seeing people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They were seeing people and they lost it. So they don't have perfect navigation spatial awareness that allows.

Cristina: Do you think if someone's born that way, they're not using those same aids?

Jack: A hundred percent. Because your neural pathways were built this way, it's natural to track buildings and people in space and cars in space without seeing them.

Cristina: I guess you had it built to an area. But I feel like if you're going to somewhere new that you've never been to, you still might.

Jack: No, you are still really good at identifying buildings. You are really good at identifying moving sounds and pinpointing exactly where they are. And you can tell when people are around you youu can tell when the cars are moving in this direction versus that direction. So you know when it's your turn to walk, you can tell when a car is getting close enough because again, the sound is changing. And you can hear that car better than anybody can.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So going somewhere new doesn't really matter other than not knowing the streets.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's all interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. They're pretty equal, but different.

Cristina: Both has their advantage and disadvantage. Yes, but at the end of the day, what do you choose?

Jack: I would rather be deaf. I gotta see the world.

Cristina: You have to see the world.

Jack: I have to see the world.

Cristina: No matter how much advantage you get.

Jack: It sucks to lose music, man. It sucks. But I will sacrifice music to see. Wow.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. It's tough. That's so crazy. And if you're both that Is so crazy.

Jack: Yeah. You live in a box at that.

Cristina: Point, but you can still communicate.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You said with. With touch.

Jack: Sign language. You figure it out. Morse code. Yeah, I think that's how they did it with Morse code.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. They would touch her. They would do Morse code on her hands.

Cristina: Okay. And Braille helps with that stuff.

Jack: Yes, I think they taught her Braille through Morse code.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So then she can read.

Jack: There was a road taken to getting her to communicate. Yeah, there's a path.

Cristina: Yeah. Because there are people who are both. Like, she's not the only person who's ever.

Jack: Yeah. And then she can tell her story back through Morse. She reads Braille and then tells her story to Morse. God.

Cristina: And someone else can just translate that and write it into a story. Yes, like, they could. Oh, that's so cool.

Jack: Makes sense, right? It's such a complicated process, but it works.

Cristina: It works. What?

Jack: Somebody figured it out. There's smart people out there. She figured it out. But she figured out because somebody helped. Like, she would have been in a box forever.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. And there's probably going to be technology in the future to get those people to be able to watch things.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like. But not watch things. Like, you know, like how we saw the thing for Netflix with the visual aids and whatever that would describe the scene. Yes, but they would have, like, I guess, some type of computer that would do the communicating from the tv. The TV will go into the computer. It'll vibrate in the way it needs to. Where she could feel like you feel the keyboard. Like, maybe it's a special keyboard that tells you, like, what's going on on the tv.

Jack: Interesting. Yes. I know you're talking about, like, I.

Cristina: Don'T know if that makes sense. That makes sense. It would.

Jack: But the problem is, in the case of somebody like Helen Keller, that would be astoundingly useless because it requires too much contextual information. What is the use of anything on the screen to. Helen Keller doesn't know what music is. You could try to explain music to her. It wouldn't make sense. So the same thing that does make sense to somebody who's blind. And they're like, well, sad music is. Well, no, actually, I guess this would be deaf person. And they're like, sad music is playing. At least that context clue makes sense of. Sad music is playing, thus sad. But, like, how complicated must be understanding. Other people feel emotions and they can probably communicate their emotions equal to yours to Helen Keller. That thought must be f****** baffling because it's like, holy f***. Exactly the way I feel. But that's impossible because nobody like me exists. And those that do can't even communicate with me. Because we learn how to communicate different. Like that thought is incomprehensible, you know?

Jack: So like, the keyboard wouldn't make sense. What, What? What's the use of lady make sad face? I mean, I guess, but what the f*** does that mean to her? You never seen a sad face?

Cristina: Okay. I guess she hasn't seen a sad face.

Jack: She's never heard a sad tone.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: Yeah, 100%. She's never. It's useless. A system like that would be. But anyways, anyways, Helen Keller's f*****. Or was.

Cristina: We talk about it like she's alive.

Jack: Yeah, the chef kids. That'd be crazy. That's rape. Like, you gotta explain sex to her in her language. You gotta explain sex to her in her language. And then you have to get her to consent without a. Like, like base.

Cristina: What if she was like naturally h****, though?

Jack: She probably was animalistically h****, so you.

Cristina: Didn'T really have to explain anything.

Jack: Yes. How everything works.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And like, why she's like this. You know, those kind of useful bits of what you're feeling is this. And you'd wanna. Well, let's begin. You want to put stuff into your body because it feels good to put things into your body like this. A weird, complicated series of explanations in order to just be like. Well, this is why you want to put things in your body. Your hormones make you want to put external things.

Cristina: Why would you be explaining all that to her?

Jack: You're not gonna tell her what sex is. You're just gonna. Because you need to get consent. Oh, how the f*** are you gonna get consent if you don't explain to her what it is?

Cristina: When she was alive, did it matter?

Jack: Did consent matter?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we're gonna just let somebody have sex with her?

Cristina: If she's pushing herself onto him and he's like, will he not just be.

Jack: Like, okay, no, I think we would definitely put a halt to that. We would say this is not a person able to make decisions for themselves. And you are a rapist.

Cristina: Yes, I know. Y. Did they care?

Jack: No, that's. Yes. I'm talking about back then, not now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I'm saying that back then we are still moral enough to be like, nah. Okay, we're gonna set. Okay. There's a kid down there with autism. He's a full blown adult. Not even autism.

Cristina: I'm not Saying that we're gonna let them do it. I'm saying that there's a guy who would be, like, okay with it.

Jack: You did not say that before.

Cristina: Okay, that's what I mean.

Jack: That's what I mean, that there's a guy who would. Yes, there's a guy who would be okay. There is currently an entire religion who are okay with f****** kids.

Cristina: That's horrible.

Jack: Helen Keller is the least of our problems, okay? The Catholic Church still stands to this day. Helen Keller existed somewhere in the ranch. She's a blip in the existence of the Catholic Church. She came and went and the Catholic Church has stood around her. Nobody gives a s*** about Helen Keller. If you're talking about.

Cristina: Well, if.

Jack: Is some guy gonna be down the f*****, bro? Can you think of something a guy wouldn't be down the. At least one guy. Name the thing.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And they'll call a fish. I'm sure a guy has at least put his d*** on a fish, okay. And been like, I. That fish. He probably loved it, too.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Fish in one hand, squished it against his d*** and jerked off. Technically raping the fish.

Cristina: Killing it. Probably too.

Jack: Yeah, probably killing it.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Anyways, look, don't Helen Keller. Because that's wrong is the moral of the story. And find the Helen Keller emoji and throw it in the comments.

Cristina: Helen Keller emoji.

Jack: Somebody made it, bro. Somebody made it. And we have the listeners who are disturbed. Disturbing.

Cristina: Let's have, like, a frog in a well. That's what you said before.

Jack: She's. Yeah, she's a frog and a wolf. Yeah, sure. Unless you could find the Helen Keller emoji. If you can't, or make one, whatever, figure it out. But listen, you guys can find the show on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram @justconvopod.

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Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is amazing. That's why you must let people who might like the show know about it. Because, again, word of mouth, very important. So do that. They'll come and listen and everybody wins.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Crap that pops up and it's like.

Jack: Okay, so what you're saying is, like.

Cristina: How different is the show to them?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So do they think the music is playing for as long as the caption.

Cristina: Says it's playing, which isn't very long? Just quickly. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Like music played.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Are they taking the words literally? Or they just imagine, but also here's where the tricky part comes in. If you've always been deaf, MUSIC plays memes.

Cristina: But I'm guessing you learn what music is. Like, even if you don't know what music is, you.

Jack: But, like, who is that cue for? Because you already don't hear music when you're watching these scenes. Yeah, but it's saying that music is. Music is playing.

Cristina: I don't know. I guess it makes some scenes make sense, at least when it comes to, like, oh, they're dancing. Okay. Are they dancing to nothing? Are they dancing? What kind of music? Like, maybe you'll say, like, this type of music is playing. Or, you know.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Yes.

Cristina: Specific situations. It kind of makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Listens to sad music or sad music plays and then she's sitting there crying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because of the thing that happened.

Cristina: Yeah. But they would have to describe the music. Because if it's just music playing, that doesn't make sense.

Jack: No, it could be.

Cristina: It could make sense if they show radio or something. Like, maybe you need to know that music is playing out of that radio.

Jack: No, because maybe it's just what I'm talking. Like, what if a scene is playing music and they get told, you know, music plays. Yeah, there's no radio to show. That's like, the world is playing that song.

Cristina: Yeah, that's weird. Like, would that even help at all?

Jack: Yeah, like, what is that? But maybe sometimes. Because again, it could say, sad music starts to play. Now they understand the tone should be sad. They're being told the same cue we're being told sad music starts to play. That's it. That's a cue we're getting from hearing sad music and then placing the scene. So they would just then be like, oh, sad music equals sadness and sad music.

Cristina: Yeah, that would be way helpful, I guess, if it's just music playing. Not helpful. But then, like, dog barking. But you don't know how long that dog is barking.

Jack: No, no, you don't.

Cristina: You know, because it could be barking throughout the whole scene. Unless you just. I guess if you see it barking the whole scene, you know, like, okay, I can imagine the dog barking the whole scene, but if it's in the background. Yeah, it's just that moment the dog was barking when they said it.

Jack: It's. I don't know. It has to be so strange, you know, how do we.

Cristina: But I don't think it changes the whole experience. I mean, I'm sure it definitely does. It's not like. It's not. We're not seeing the same thing. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynne Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 20, 2022

Rambling 189: Poke Christ

August 20, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is Pikachu the chosen one? Is Ash just in the right place at the right time? Which is the God of gods in the poke world? The duo decides to unpack whether or not Ash and Pikachu are exceptional individuals chosen by the gods of their world or if they are merely the luckiest duo of all time.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Pikachu
Pokemon Gods
Pikachu’s Strange Level
Lucky or Chosen?
Who created humans?
Who created the pokemon?

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: Now. Okay, okay, okay, okay. I had to stop in order to make the statement. So what were we just talking about? We were talking about. The statement I was about to make is that Ash Ketchum is not just lucky, but it's so absurd. And I'm about to give you an example of what really is happening. And then you can be like, yeah, that's kind of like, what? Whoa. What the f***? He's chosen, right? He's more important than all. So imagine if you're just walking down the street one day and you hear voice. If you look around, everybody just frozen in place right now, and a giant light is beaming down from heaven, and a voice is telling you, I am God, and I'm talking to you. Hey, you're cool guy. I just wanted you to know. And, yeah, just be chill and do you. And so if he proved to you, you know, or you're f****** hallucinating on some crazy other s***. But okay, Ash is similar to this, because this same example guy then just goes a week about his life and f****** Zeus comes out of the sk. Lands right in front of him, and he's like, yo, who? Zeus.

Cristina: Zeus. Okay?

Jack: He's like, before we had Jehovah, Christian, like, Cloud God, we didn't see anything and was. You know, he likes to be. He works in mysterious ways or whatever he does. But Zeus. Zeus is confrontational. You know, that's what we know of him.

Cristina: You're comparing legendary Pokemon to gods, right?

Jack: Because in the world that Ash Ketchum exists, he's interacting with literally the gods that made everything.

Cristina: Yes, all of them.

Jack: And it's casual. It's like, completely by accident, but not really campy because the. It's like Moses saw God once. We've been talking about him for 2000 years. That's how. Whoa, dude, you saw God? What? Ash has seen every God, some of them multiple times.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes. Whoa. Who the f*** is Ash? Should we. Should we be even worried with gods, when really we should be, like, wondering what the h*** Ash Ketchum is?

Cristina: He's Jesus.

Jack: He's greater than Jesus, is made by Jehovah, and Jehovah is some s*** that Ash Ketchum can casually mean. That's an afterthought for Ash Ketchum. Who's met creator of Gods.

Cristina: Yes. He's. No, it's ridiculous. It is ridiculous.

Jack: It's crazy, right?

Cristina: I don't know. But then what is he? He's not just a normal person.

Jack: He's. He's definitely not a normal person.

Cristina: And it's not just luck. It's two. It's.

Jack: It's two.

Cristina: It's not.

Jack: Okay, look. We can say that there's that one person who got hit by lightning seven times in his life, right? And we're like, that's crazy. That's nuts.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Once is amazing. You got there seven times.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And somehow still no dude. God. 50, 60 times. Different ones. Not even the same one. It's not just multiple times. Some of them. Yeah, it's not just I made friends with God and I'm seeing the same God. Because then there's no. You were just wandering. And hey, God showed up a different God when I've never met.

Cristina: That's crazy. That is pretty crazy. Like, Goku has a work for it. Ash is just like. I stumbled upon another one.

Jack: Yes, exactly, exactly, exactly. Think about that. Yeah. Goku has to become so powerful that godlike creatures feel his energy and seek him out.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Ash?

Cristina: He has to have some type of energy thing going on.

Jack: It's just wandering.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know his power level.

Jack: But. But this does make me think. Okay, okay. Maybe there is a power here.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Maybe Ash Ketchum actually has a power. Maybe there is an actual explanation behind why he encounters all these gods. Not just gods. It's not just gods. It's all the special everythings that exist. And it doesn't matter what the f*** it is. It's all of them. God.

Cristina: But most of the time he runs into them. I don't know if this helps or hurts this case. I don't know. But like he runs into the people trying to catch the God. Also, it's not just the God was hanging out or anything. It's like these people are trying to ruin the world because they're evil. But they also are trying to fight for freedom because they're not evil. They're confused villains. Or maybe they're not villains. I don't know what they. They people see them as villains because they want to kill people. But usually. Right? Is that the plan? They usually want to like recreate the world in a different way. You know, all these villains are the same story.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Cristina: You know what I'm talking about though.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Because I now I have so many questions. Because. Yes, you're right. But also he's not chasing Team Rocket.

Cristina: No.

Jack: And look, Team Rockets also not chasing.

Cristina: Yes, they are.

Jack: Over the Pikachu. No, but that's a different.

Cristina: Those specific to.

Jack: I guess they're rogue.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. The actual Team Rocket. Real. The real team. No.

Jack: Yeah, the real team doesn't care. These are just like the lackeys been sent after Ash. Yeah, but like the real big corporation or whatever crime syndicate they are. Yeah, those people, they don't care. Both. Right. They're like a business and crime. Something. I don't know what the business is, but he has like an office building or something.

Cristina: I don't know. He's also a gym leader.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Like he's a guy or something.

Cristina: He's a mayor. He's. He's doing everything.

Jack: Yeah, he's doing stuff. Oh, he's a mayor.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, maybe. Like it checks out. Why not? But like if, if, if the bigger team Rocket. The big actual corporation syndicate. Crime syndicate. Bad guys. The bad guys. Yeah, the bad guys. Team Rocket. They're not chasing Ash and Ash isn't chasing them. How the h*** is he always so free? It's still weird. It's still.

Cristina: It is weird.

Jack: So there's so many coincidences.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like. Okay, let's. Let's give Team Rocket credit. If they're not just happening upon these creatures themselves. Because you're telling me that these Team Rocket guys are so efficient that they're tracking down gods?

Cristina: No, actually it's a bunch of. There's a bunch of teams. Evil teams. Okay. Let's call them evil teams. They're all after one God. And Ash happens to run into all these teams eventually and these gods that.

Jack: They'Re after, but he always runs into them by first coming across the freaking God. He never meets the God first in a bad situation. It's always like, oh, hey, I stumbled. And he doesn't even know it's a God. Usually it's like, hey, there's a Pokemon I've never seen before. And he's.

Cristina: And then he discovers the team that's after it or whatever afterwards.

Jack: Because he goes and he like enters the town.

Cristina: I don't even know if they're all called team, are they?

Jack: And he talks to the people of the town and the people of the town tell him, oh yeah, the legendary whatever is being chased by this people who want to do evil. And then he's like, oh, wait, I think I met the thing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's always how it goes. And it's like, bro, how. Yeah. One, how the creature. Two, how specifically the creature who's specifically being chased at this time. It's like you're. You're destined. You're the savior or something.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He said Jesus to the gods. I don't know. Like. Yeah, you know, like, Jesus is our savior.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, he's. He's that. To the gods. Yes. It's always when they need him, when they're in a struggle that no one else can. Like, what is the chances that he's there when they need him? Or will they need help?

Jack: Yeah. It's him and Pikachu.

Cristina: It's not even Pikachu. I think he's more lucky than Pikachu. I think even with or without Pikachu, he'd. No, they've always been. I think there has been. Yeah. But I also think Pichu has met gods without.

Jack: Yes. He's just wandered. It might be the f****** Pikachu. There might be something up with that Pikachu. It's not even Ash. Think about the likelihood. No, no, because Ash was just walking to get that Pikachu.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: When he. The first thing he saw was a legendary Pokemon right off the bat.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: Yes. Was the first thing he saw. He walked outside. Wait, no, it might have been the end of the episode here.

Cristina: He might have already had Pikachu. So that means. Might be the legendary attractor attracted to these gods. Oh, my gosh. Pikachu is Jesus to the gods or whatever.

Jack: Well, he's a Pokemon himself.

Cristina: Yeah, that makes more sense.

Jack: And. And. And he's the humblest of Pokemon because he. He does not want to become greater. He wants to just be.

Cristina: Oh, what?

Jack: Whoa. Is there. Hold on, hold on. Is there a hidden story behind this Pikachu? For real? For real. Because this does make. This does kind of check out. He's meeting gods, solving their problem without fail.

Cristina: But he's not the one solving. It's really Ash solving it. But it's through the friendship with Pikachu that he solves it. Is that even more complicated? Like, you know with the Mewtwo movie where he had to. He was frozen. Oh, no. That was Pikachu saving him. Well, it was everyone combination. Crying saved Ash, but Pikachu was one of them, so Pikachu saved Ash.

Jack: Okay, okay. What happened in that movie, in that moment?

Cristina: Did Mewtwo turn him into stone?

Jack: I. With his mind? I don't know. I don't understand.

Cristina: I'm sure that's the Pokemon power that no one uses, because it's probably against the law. It's too.

Jack: It's too plot convenience.

Cristina: Yeah, it's too evil, dude.

Jack: And then what? Okay, okay. Let's say. Let's just say. Let's just say f*** it. Yes. There's a Pokemon that just has the power to turn s*** to stone. And of course, maybe it's illegal, but there's somebody out there rogue, using it.

Cristina: Yeah, great.

Jack: How do you undo it? So you cry and then they just fall out of rock.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe the water melts the rock away.

Jack: These people were standing away. They weren't like, all hovering over his body, raining.

Cristina: Maybe that was a different Pokemon attack. I don't know. Is there attack where water happened? They were doing that attack. What is it?

Jack: No, they weren't. Because it wasn't water. It wasn't just falling down. It was like it was water glowing towards him. And then he, like, came.

Cristina: It, like, warmed up the rock to use his ability. He has a water ability because he's.

Jack: Jesus. Look, there's something happening here. Pikachu did something. It's like the fish to bread or whatever the h***. There was a change of something happening here. And, like, those other creatures don't have these powers.

Cristina: Normally I thought it was Meelo that did it, but I can't really remember.

Jack: Oh, crap. You're probably right.

Cristina: But they were all doing it. So, like, was it Mew. Was it all of their power?

Jack: Like, here's the thing. They're in a moment shared with, like, a God, a. A Jesus of sorts. Then even if they don't have the ability, maybe just being in his presence allows them to do this thing, you know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And so they all have cry him out of stone powers for that moment. Yeah, exactly. Because they're in the energy field or whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Makes sense, right?

Cristina: He is the chosen one.

Jack: He is the chosen one. He definitely is the chosen one.

Cristina: How do you know? It's hard between Ash and Pikachu, but it has to be Pia too, right? It makes way more sense.

Jack: I mean, the problem is they're both around each other all the freaky. At least all the time we get to witness.

Cristina: Except Pikachu did have that random movie.

Jack: He always has adventures all along. And sometimes on those adventures, he comes across legendary Pokemon.

Cristina: Yes. So I wonder, though, like, if we saw Ash's point of view, because I haven't seen all of Pokemon stuff, of course. So I don't know if there's Pokemon movies where Ash, for Some reason isn't with Pikachu and some crazy thing happens. I have no idea.

Jack: Interesting. I don't think that exists. But the question you're asking is valid. We've seen Pikachu adventures without Ash, but we've never seen Ash adventures without Pikachu. If we did, would it be boring or would it be the same?

Cristina: It would probably be the same. Okay, so I guess not, because there hasn't been any. That must mean that his life isn't as interesting without Pikachu. Even if he did have his solo adventures without Pikachu, we haven't seen that.

Jack: Which means. Yes, it's not exciting. Nothing happens whenever he's not around Pikachu.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Only when he's around Pikachu does it happen. Interesting. Interesting. And that's a fact, because as the viewer, we're seeing the highlight reel.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the highlight reel is always with Pikachu.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not always with Ash, so. Or like, Ash is always there. But we've seen Pikachu go up. No, Ash isn't always there because Pikachu has had adventures without him.

Cristina: Yeah. So Pikachu is the main character.

Jack: Definitely. Pikachu is the main character. It's not Ash.

Cristina: He's a chosen one.

Jack: Yes. Because at the beginning of films, a lot of the time, Pikachu goes on a weird adventure.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And it's just Pikachu.

Cristina: Yeah. But the only reason we focus on Ash so hard is because he is really this chosen human.

Jack: Yes. And we love that he's a chosen human. He's an apostle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He hangs out.

Cristina: Because you chose him, though, in a way. Like, I know in the beginning, Pikachu seemed like he didn't like him and he want to be owned and whatever that drama that Pikachu had. But at the same time, what if it wasn't a coincidence? I don't know.

Jack: I mean, I think so. I think Pikachu, like, it's not even.

Cristina: A normal starter Pokemon. What's the chances that Ash would get a Pokemon that's not even a starter Pokemon?

Jack: Well, anybody could have. But maybe this was, you know, the destiny thing.

Cristina: Exactly. It was his destiny. He should have had a Charmander Escorter or what was the other? Bulbasaur.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But they ran out.

Jack: Yeah. It was already a weird circumstance where he comes across a Pokemon because they ran out of all the Pokemon.

Cristina: So then in the end of the day, Ash is special. So is Pikachu. Pikachu is more special.

Jack: Well, Pikachu is actually special. The question is, is Ash Just right place, right time.

Cristina: Yes. He's the most lucky. He's just lucky.

Jack: Maybe. Yeah. And then he's just luck. And Pikachu is the chosen one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Ash just happened to be so lucky. He was where he needed to be to be the right hand of the chosen one.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: It could have been anybody.

Cristina: It could have been Gary.

Jack: It could have been Gary. It almost was exactly.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Gary was one Pokemon away, but Ash.

Cristina: Was the lazy one, and his laziness got him Pikachu.

Jack: Yes, yes.

Cristina: So he's. Yeah, I guess he's. So who's Jesus? He's Jesus.

Jack: Then also, quick veering off here for a second. But, like, we get to see three different universes there. That's a weird God point. God's point of view when. When you choose one. And Gary, like, when you're the early one because Ash is late, but Red is early, he beats at least his Gary there. And you get to choose first between the three Pokemon, and you pick one, and then your G picks the opposite one, Red for, you know, water, fire, grass, or whatever the h***. And it's like, we get to see all three possibilities play out because we got a God's point of view. Just pointing that out.

Cristina: What are the three different point of views?

Jack: Three different point of views?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We have the point of view of.

Cristina: If Ash started with a different poke starter.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how that would play out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, had he chosen Charmander or had he chosen Bulbasaur? Or had he chosen Squirtle?

Cristina: So he'd be great. Pretty much. Because he wins. He's a winner, right?

Jack: Well, yeah, he would anyways. But we get to see all three options of his life in, like, the games and stuff. We get to, like, look through that. Anyways, so Pikachu is the chosen one. Ash is the lucky one who happened to be present when this happens. But all of it is due to Ash solving the problem. What does Pikachu do that solves the problem? Because we need Pikachu present in order for the miracles to happen or the rare events to happen. Maybe Pikachu is who is the lucky one. Well, no, because we've still seen Pikachu around the gods alone without Ash.

Cristina: But when Ash saw that bird Pokemon that. I don't know how to say its name right, because I'm gonna say it, and it's wrong. Ho, ho, ho. Oh, ho. Oh, I hate it. Ho ho. But it was Ash who saw Hoho, not Pikachu.

Jack: But he already had Pikachu and Pokeball.

Cristina: No, no, he never had.

Jack: He was just walking around.

Cristina: No, I think Pichu was Passau or something. Or. I don't know.

Jack: But his. He doesn't need the. So you tell me his power only works when he's conscious?

Cristina: No. Well, but the luck. Use. If you see it, you get luck. It means, you know, luckiness. Right.

Jack: For Ho.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Hoho brings luck.

Jack: No freaking way.

Cristina: Some. Yeah, I guess not. Hoho brings eternal happiness. Eternal happiness.

Jack: Eternal happiness. Yes. That's what actually brings.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So was the point gonna be?

Cristina: Well, if it was luck, then Ash is the luckiest person alive. Because of Hoho?

Jack: Because he saw Ho. Oh, but, but. But he's also not eternally happy.

Cristina: How do you know? When has he ever been sad? He has been sad.

Jack: But he's a lot like Goku. He's the most.

Cristina: Yes, he had. He's got Goku's personality. They're the same guy.

Jack: That single one drive that keeps him happy.

Cristina: Yeah. It's not even fighting. It's just. I don't even know.

Jack: In the case of Ash collecting.

Cristina: Collecting. I don't even know if he's into collecting either.

Jack: Not even like. No, he's not. He really is just trying to be the best math. Like trainer.

Cristina: No, he's not.

Jack: Yeah, he. All he does is follow the path of fighting Pokemon.

Cristina: But he's so bad at it.

Jack: Yeah, but he has no other drive. He doesn't have to be good for it to be, I guess.

Cristina: But I don't feel like that's his real passion. I feel like maybe just adventuring is his passion. Just traveling. Like, he loves meeting new people, meeting new Pokemon, stuff like that. But I don't know.

Jack: You're totally right. That's totally true. Because he's always like on boats and planes across the world, just enjoying life, meeting new sight. He loves. Yeah, he does. He just wants to see new Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah, like he'll fight and whatever. Like with everyone he meets. But that's not his passion, I think. But he loves it. He love. No, I don't know. He does love it and just sucks at it. But he loves it.

Jack: Yeah, and Pikachu sucks at it too.

Cristina: Yeah. You could be a God and suck at fighting, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, the rules, I mean. Yeah, he's not a God himself.

Cristina: He's a mortal.

Jack: He's just a mortal. They're all. They're both mortals there.

Cristina: Yes. He's just Pikachu. Super lucky. Yeah, that's the point.

Jack: Well, Pikachu isn't super lucky. Pikachu what was Pikachu? He's a chosen one. Now the question is, what was he chosen to do other than just, like, help? Like, Jesus shows up. And Jesus has a special, like, overall goal. He's going to free the spirits of the sinners, and all their sins will be forgiven. What's Pikachu's goal for, you know, God. Godmon. Godmon.

Cristina: He's trying to show the God's Pokemons to not destroy the world. Like, look at Ash. He's a good guy. And then they're like, whoa, he's a good guy. Humans aren't that bad.

Jack: So he's essentially the spirit of, like, the forest or something. But it's the spirit of the Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah. He's fighting for humans pretty much. He's. Because these bad guys who want to ruin the earth by getting these legendaries to do it for them, those legendary Pokemon will probably be cool with it because they're like, we hate humans. Look at these humans. They're bothering us or whatever. Like, we should destroy it like Mewtwo, like others.

Jack: But Mewtwo is a whole crazy thing, because Mewtwo is essentially what you get when you cross God and science.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Yeah. That's nuts. They didn't know. They just saw this strange, unique Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Somehow caught it, somehow got a sample, and that led to what we know as Mewtwo.

Cristina: Mm. That's pretty awesome.

Jack: It just makes no sense. You replicated, like, Mew just has DNA.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, these gods are physical beings in.

Jack: This world, so he literally made everything not in their image, but of, like, their same stuff.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So. So, yeah. I think that's what Pikachu's goal is. Just to show gods that humans aren't.

Jack: That bad, I guess. I guess. Yeah.

Cristina: Like, Jesus. Come on. He's showing. He's like, I want to sacrifice myself for these humans.

Jack: Except Jehovah is all the God Pokemon.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. But still, Jesus wants to sacrifice himself for humans or something.

Jack: What an extremely Shinto concept.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The whole nature is fighting humans for their involvement in hurting nature.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Very Shinto. To think that would happen. But it's happening in that world. Yeah.

Cristina: So that's why I think. That's what. I think what Pikachu is trying to do besides saving these gods in their random moment of weakness that he just happens to be around.

Jack: Yes. That's. Oh, man. Is that there's so much. The problem is that are coincidences that can't be compensated for at all, because how is he all the Time at random, showing up exactly when he's needed. He really is a chosen one. He's there when they need him. And from his point of view. And I think this probably happened to Jesus a lot, too. It's always like, hey, Jesus showed up just when I needed him to. But maybe Jesus wasn't like, hey, I' ma consciously go there. I'm just like, jesus was just living life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The way Jesus does. But because Jesus is the chosen one, he just happens to be the right place at the right time, and he does things.

Cristina: Except for that one random story, I don't know if it was after Jesus died or if he was still around the oven.

Jack: Yeah, this is the example I was thinking about. I was definitely thinking. I had it in my mind where I was just thinking about it, right? And I'm like, these guys get put in an oven because they're gonna die, and then Jesus pops up, is just there in the oven with them.

Cristina: Like, was he also being cooked first?

Jack: This just sounds like a funny joke. Like, I can picture this being in, like, a Futurama or something. The funny clip where the guys are about to be murdered and the other guy is just real excited and oblivious to the fact that he's in a furnace with himself, you know? But, yeah, so these guys are. They get thrown in here, and the. He gets turned up and they're, oh, my God, we're gonna die. Whatever. And they look to the side and, oh, Jesus, what. What are you doing here?

Cristina: He's, like, chilling.

Jack: Yeah. He's like, don't worry, you guys aren't gonna burn. But the guy's like, yo, I get that. Thanks. Like, super. Thanks, bro. Yeah, also, like, why are you here bathing? I mean, he already doesn't get bothered by the heat, so he could just have wandered in before.

Cristina: What, to get tanned? Like, they didn't have tanning booths. That was the closest thing, man.

Jack: I got a lot of questions at that point. Because, like, Jesus. That's very Lucifer. Y of you to just be like, mmm, hot.

Cristina: Was he dead, though? Was this him him or was this ghost him? Please. There's no ghost, right?

Jack: Everything is ghost him. Like, anything we see.

Cristina: There's no ghost in this book, right? Like, they don't believe in ghosts. Ghosts aren't a thing.

Jack: What, a Pokemon?

Cristina: No, in the Bible, they're like, if it's a spirit, it's an evil spirit. It's a demon.

Jack: But Jesus is a spirit. He dies and then gets resurrected. Well, I guess it's a resurrection, right? But then after he's resurrected, he dies anyways or something. And goes to heaven.

Cristina: Yes. And he just pops up randomly, I.

Jack: Guess, in furnaces and stuff.

Cristina: Was that before or after Jesus?

Jack: Well, yeah. It's interesting because I've been asked this before. Does that situation take place before Jesus? And if they did, how do they know that was Jesus to tell us in the first place?

Cristina: It happened before he died.

Jack: Yeah. Before he was born or whatever.

Cristina: Oh, before he was born?

Jack: Yeah. Like there's sightings of Jesus before Jesus's birth.

Cristina: That makes no sense.

Jack: Well.

Cristina: Or. I don't know. No way. Now I have to see. I don't know.

Jack: Okay, so we definitely couldn't find any details on that. But I'm sure if we dig deeper, we could come up with something. Yeah, but nothing so far.

Cristina: But look, Pietro is Jesus.

Jack: It seems. Yeah, it seems to be the case that Pikachu is definitely Jesus. Or ashes. One of them, it seems.

Cristina: The special or something.

Jack: Yes. The greater candidate of the two is definitely Pikachu. He seems to be there more often.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Than ashes can tell.

Cristina: Is the chosen one for Pikachu.

Jack: Yeah. We're just witnessing a strange overlap of different prophecies coming true.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: The guy who was meant to be the apostle and the guy who is the prophet.

Cristina: But I think without Ash. Because she wouldn't be able to do a lot of things.

Jack: 100%. I don't understand the argument considering that the apostles without Jesus are just guys.

Cristina: But they were doing something special. They weren't special with Jesus.

Jack: They only had the ability because Jesus. Right.

Cristina: What ability? They don't have abilities.

Jack: Miracles and stuff. The apostles?

Cristina: No, they're just dudes hanging out with Jesus.

Jack: The apostles totally made stuff happen.

Cristina: No, they. What?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: They had magic. Yes.

Jack: What are you talking about? Of course they did.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Yeah. I don't know. Well, this is.

Cristina: I didn't know. They're doing things too.

Jack: Yeah. It's like the apostles are worshiped like saints. They're almost the same thing. Except the apostles are the saints that were directly around Jesus.

Cristina: Well, also, saints can do magic and stuff.

Jack: No, I know, that's what I'm saying. The apostles are saints that just so happen to be around Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, that's it.

Jack: They're all saints.

Cristina: I didn't realize. I didn't. I didn't know.

Jack: But also magic.

Cristina: I mean, they do miracles.

Jack: Yes. Except we can't call them saints because all of them are like crips or something.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: You know, they're all like crip Gang members or some s***.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: All the apostles.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: They are. It's a crime syndicate or something. They're all like, thugged out using, like, hookers and s***.

Cristina: Whatever. But okay, so Ash is an apostle.

Jack: Is an apostle. Yeah, yeah. So Ash is an apostle. Pikachu is very Jesus. Yeah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then there are many gods.

Cristina: Many.

Jack: And he, like the hundreds.

Cristina: No. Well, close.

Jack: Something greater must have made Pikachu. Because Pikachu is here to help things like Arceus that made everything else. So something greater that created the space within.

Cristina: Where who's Mew? Is Mew not the one that makes Pokemon.

Jack: Mew makes Pokemon?

Cristina: Yes, Mew made Pikachu.

Jack: But Mew is not more powerful than Arceus. So, no, it couldn't have been Mew directly. Pikachu must be a Pokemon created by some other force greater than Mew. Greater than all the gods. Between Mew, the bottom God, and Arceus, the top God.

Cristina: Why can't it be Mew?

Jack: Because how did Mew make something that beats the bigger God? There's something greater that made. Because again, the prophecy of Pikachu has Arceus in it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Arceus didn't make a world. And then the prophecy happened about Arceus. No, no. The prophecy is outside of Arceus control. Therefore must have been made by something equal to what made Arceus or greater.

Cristina: Are humans made from Pokemon as well?

Jack: I do not know. That is an interesting question. Okay, here it says that Mew created Pokemon. No, I created. Created humans. Mew created humans and Arceus created Pokemon. So the question is, are Mew and Arceus equals? And in this connection, are we to say Mew is Jehovah and Pikachu is Jesus?

Cristina: Yes. Mew made Pikachu. Mew had to. I know Arceus is a Pokemon maker, but Mew made Pikachu.

Jack: Yes. Because whatever is the maker of Pikachu cannot be. It must be equal to or greater than Arceus.

Cristina: Yes. I think Mew is greater. I mean, equal to Arceus.

Jack: Interesting. You think Mew can one to one take on Arceus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And be equals.

Cristina: Yeah. We don't know much about Mew. We use. Just because he's a cute little pink guy girl thing doesn't mean he's not genderless. No, they.

Jack: They.

Cristina: They're still equal. They could still be equal.

Jack: They could totally still be equal. So how did this break down? Are Mew and Arceus actually equal? What's this connection that they have? It's fuzzy. It seems fuzzy. It's unclear.

Cristina: So it seems like Mew's Just a Pokemon.

Jack: Yeah. Sometimes it seems like Mew is just a Pokemon. Other times it seems like Mew made Pokemon. Other times it seems like Mew made humans and Arceus made Pokemon.

Cristina: But there's no clear answer, so I'm gonna go with Arceus definitely made it everything.

Jack: Yeah. I like this a lot because I like that it is vague the way it should be, because why would mortals know?

Cristina: Why would they know the whole story?

Jack: Yeah. Why could they? Why would they be able to piece it together?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know, it's beyond the. The capacity of a simple mortal.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I like that it's so fuzzy that we're like, whoa, Maybe, you know, like, it takes us there. There's no certainty. The higher up you go, there shouldn't be and there shouldn't be. Exactly. It. It feels right on paper.

Cristina: So then this mystery is gonna stay a mystery.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, who made what for sure now is Pikachu. Jesus. It seems to be. Regardless of who made Pikachu, Pikachu's goal in the universe is to save humans. Not just humans, but Pikachu's goal. Not really. It's to save Pokemon. Pikachu's always saving legendary Pokemon, not humans.

Cristina: Well, no, but I feel like his point of saving those Legendaries with Ash by him side is to show those Pokemon, like, humans aren't that bad, because those Pokemon, Legendary Pokemon, are always being attacked by humans. And they might snap and decide, like, maybe it's time to get rid of these humans. But Pikachu always has the thing, like, hey, don't do that. Look at this dude. And they're like, whoa. That dude's pretty cool. Okay. We won't destroy all humans.

Jack: So Pikachu is just a good talker, talking up Ash all the time.

Cristina: Yeah. And they're convinced they really like Ash. He's. He's such a. I don't know. Goku, dude.

Jack: Yeah. He's just happy to do the things he does.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Without really much thought given to it. Just like, yeah, I'm gonna do the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So ashes. Yeah, I guess. But okay, so Pikachu. Jesus. And then. Man, it's so crazy. It's so crazy. He has to be. There's no way. He can't be God. Not God. But look, you know, he has to be chosen. It's too many coins.

Cristina: He is. He's definite chosen.

Jack: He has to be. He has to be.

Cristina: But there's a reason he has Ash.

Jack: So what's the reason?

Cristina: Well, the reason I just told you about huh? Of taking to show the gods that humans aren't that bad.

Jack: You're really convinced that the goal of Ash is to show that or Pikachu? No, no. I guess this is where we disagree on this. I think the existence of Pikachu is about helping the gods. You think the existence of Pikachu is to have Ash to show these gods that humans are good? I think that's Mew's goal. But now the question is, did Mew even make humans?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And did or did Mew make Pikachu? Because if Mew made Pikachu, maybe you're right. But he also has have to have made humans. That story has to be true. He has to have made both humans and Pokemon so that he made the Pokemon that's the chosen one, and he made the human that's the chosen one. Okay, if he didn't make Ash, but he did make Pikachu, then he's just trying to help the gods because he didn't make Ash. That's not part of his prophecy.

Cristina: But Ash is important then.

Jack: Well, no, no, no. It doesn't matter whether Ash is important or not. The question is who made who would tell us the reasoning behind it to some degree, you know?

Cristina: Mm

Jack: That changes everything. Who made who? That tells us why they're doing it. If Mew made Pikachu, but did not make Ash, then he is not trying to save the humans. He's just trying to save the gods. Okay, if Mew made Ash, but not Pikachu, then he's trying to show the gods that humans are good. Okay, if he made both of them, then that story still holds up. And he has the Pokemon and the human duo that he put into motion to show the gods. But if he made neither, then what the h*** is going on with Ash now? It's only one of three. One of four or three. Yeah, one of three. Right. That would leave. That would be weird.

Cristina: Well, it would still be something. Did it? If it's not Mew, it's something some Pokemon that probably did it made Ash. Yeah. Pikachu Or. And. Or the same options. The same three options, but you know, some other Pokemon. Because we don't know if Mew is the creator of Pokemon or humans or anything. But that doesn't mean.

Jack: Oh no. We're just using Mew in plays. Okay. I know you mean.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, that's. That's all. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because at the end of the day, it doesn't really like. Yeah, I get it. We could Just say A or B. Yeah. You know, cuz it doesn't really matter. But I know what you mean.

Cristina: Yeah, but. So you think the fourth option. Nothing. They're just. It's just coincidence.

Jack: I don't think that that's the one. I do think there is. It's too.

Cristina: One of them is definitely chosen. If it's not both.

Jack: Yeah. Once you lead into the second sighting of a different God and those two sightings aren't related. You've crossed into impossible territory.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So it has to be one or the other. Either one of them is special or they're both special.

Jack: Or they're both special. Yeah.

Cristina: So.

Jack: So I guess the ultimate conclusion is that Jesus is. Or not Jesus, but a Jesus equivalent within the Pokemon world is Pikachu. He's made by somebody probably with the attempt to. With one of the two attempts of either saving the gods from something themselves.

Cristina: That would be so weird though because Pichu sucks to be like this is the thing that's gonna save these gods. This weak rat.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The weakest rat in the world. It's gonna save all the gods.

Jack: It's a pretty. I mean it's so overpowered to it. One hits random s***. It's.

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't even make sense.

Jack: Yeah. It's power level is all over the place at random moments.

Cristina: Yeah. But like it's. But it's definitely a very weak rat compared to.

Jack: Except it. One hits random s***.

Cristina: Yeah. It's a really weak Pokemon still.

Jack: How it can get hit by anything and survive. And it can hit anything in one shot and take it down at random.

Cristina: Not random. It's all random.

Jack: Random s*** can be suit. Look. It could take a direct hit from a. From a God. From a God's best attack and just get up. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I've never thought about this this way before. But there is. There is some sort of ability here. And it's interesting. There is a time in which this maxed out level. Pikachu and Ash are hanging out with a group of people and he comes across somebody's starter Pokemon. I think it's somebody who's gonna be joining his group. Or just somebody who just began to journey or whatever. Right.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And Pikachu, level 10 billion gazillion gets into a tangle. You know, we can fight my Pokemon. Your Pokemon. And then he like totally takes hella damage from this. Like level one. You know, let's be generous and say level five. But you're level 10 bazillion.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But Pikachu has fought level 100 Pokemon, not just level 100 Pokemon. He's gotten tangled with Legendaries.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And taking direct shots. And I would argue. I would argue that he took exactly the same amount that he took when the Level 5 Pokemon attacked him. Pikachu is usually about as hurt, but he causes about as much damage when he attacks, regardless of what he's hitting. So he has an interesting. And Pikachu know. So that's why he doesn't want to evolve. He knows there's something unique about that form he's in. Because let's say a Squirtle just uses tackle. The Squirtles Level 5, uses tackle. Your HP is at 100 right now. You take damage for whatever reason. This. You're level 100. This tackle left you with only 20 hp. It took 80 hours.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: This Pokemon sucks. Now, this same Pikachu, the same Pikachu is level 100. But we're gonna say that the difference in power level between this Pikachu and some super legendary Pokemon is that Pikachu is level 5 now, and this legendary Pokemon is the hundred. And this legendary Pokemon hits Pikachu and Pikachu still ends up with just 20 hp. Why didn't he die? Why didn't he faint? You know?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's how Pikachu works. But also, mm. Pikachu can attack the Legendary and leave the legendary with only 20 GP on the first try. But if Pikachu were to use that same attack on the level 5 squirtle, you'd still leave him with 20% HP when you should have wiped the floor with that one attack. So here's the power of Pikachu that actually explains him getting laid out and laying everything out. It's because his power is some percentage, some number.

Cristina: That's very strange. But okay.

Jack: But it would explain how everything works. Yes, his power is some interesting percentage of damage in and out.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's so complicated. That's not how Pokemon should work.

Jack: But it's how Pikachu seems to funk. Because how do we explain it? How do we explain him getting wrecked? By starters, but then totally. Yes.

Cristina: Randomly wrecking.

Jack: Yes. But like, also it's. It's too. It looks too random. But also it works always.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like it doesn't matter what it is. You're like, we can do this. And it doesn't matter what it is. They can get laid out. Level five, dude. This is somebody's starter. It was a pretty even out fight. And this Pikachu billion. It means Pikachu. You having Pikachu on your team makes every fight exciting because you don't know.

Cristina: How'S it gonna go.

Jack: All equally matched.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It doesn't matter what level.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Your Pokemon is.

Cristina: Pikachu's gonna be the same.

Jack: It's the same. It's the same. Somehow totally negating power difference. It does not make sense. But it does sound godly. Negating the natural law of the universe.

Cristina: Yeah. Huh? What if there are other Pokemon that work like this?

Jack: It is possible there are Pokemon sort of out here breaking the laws of physics, including the fact that humans themselves could make one. Mewtwo. This is breaking the law. Is so overpowered. Mewtwo. So overpowered.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Made by people.

Cristina: That's so crazy that he's made by people. That makes no sense. But people have to be. Have made by Pokemon. Right? Like, that's the only way. Right. Any of that makes sense. Unless you think like a different God made the humans.

Jack: Yeah. I guess that would be the real. I don't know, man. I don't know. It's so crazy. We got this Pikachu problem. We still. Ash is still a giant question mark.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We've got, like, these gods. Who made who? We don't know. Between Arceus and Mew. And they might have worked together. They might have been against each other. It's. It's fuzzy and unclear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And, like, their motivations is. Varsius made humans mute. Made humans to teach Arceus that they're good or what? Like what?

Cristina: It's.

Jack: Man. This is actually a pretty interesting world though. We should dive in. We should go and find out about gods. All of the above. There's some. I'm sure there's some deeper narrative happening in Pokemon. These are pressing issues. You know. People want to know. We just. Today we answered some important questions. Yes.

Cristina: Pikachu is probably Jesus and special in many ways.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I'm not sure how Ash is special. I mean, he's special for sure. But can he do anything? Amazing.

Jack: Ash probably has some powers.

Jack: I bet he does. Yeah. And it has to be some interesting kind of thing. Again.

Cristina: Ash has the power of friendship.

Jack: Maybe. No. Because Jesus also brought people together. So Ash isn't the one who's attracting the legendaries. It's Pikachu. You saying the power of friendship.

Cristina: Yes. Jesus and Ash have the power of friendship.

Jack: Jesus did have the power of friendship.

Cristina: Yeah. Ash and Pikachu together just. I don't know. It makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Ash represents all the apostles that's really what it is. Okay, but it is what it is. Look, look, look. Yes. Jesus. There's more questions to ask about that. And Pokemon is a weird world where they got a bunch of gods that work in mysterious ways. All of them, apparently.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. Anyhow, so we have in the past talked about Pokemon. Not many times, but we've gone in on them a couple of times. Maybe like three total.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't think that much.

Jack: Yeah, it's not like a plethora, but there is some Pokemon content out there. But now I'm way more interested in there because I remember we were just talking about Pokemon. Showed up in one of the. The mass hysteria episode, I believe, and I'm pretty sure should have been a different one. It was an experiment episode or something. Forgot something.

Cristina: Not conspiracies. I think it was about just theories on weird things on Pokemon. I don't remember.

Jack: Could totally be. It sounds like something we would do, but yeah, so you could. I'm sure it's there. Go find it. Go find that stuff. You can find that.

Cristina: I think I also compared Pokemon to myth.

Jack: Oh, creatures in nature. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mythical, mythological creatures.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So yeah, just say there's keywords. Just type in Pokemon. You can find all that. Facebook, Twitter, Instagram. Those are our socials at.

Cristina: Just convopod and remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth is great. And if you like Pokemon and if your friends like Pokemon and you go and you Pokemon Go and stuff like that. If you wish there was a better thing than Pokemon Go, like some actual like mobile version of the. The like mainline games. And then you played that on your phone somehow. And then you could battle people but really have attacks, not just tapping like this brain dead craft. If you wish that was the reality. Share this with people. Yes, make that also make that. Make that and tell me so I can go play it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But yeah, you could tell them about that. Show them this and maybe they'll make it them.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. But because of that. Does that mean she looks worse?

Jack: Because he. Is he attractive? He's not. But is. Is a her version of him more. Way less attractive because that's. Is it like, whoa, are we saying that we have different attractive standards for men and women? Yeah, we totally do, don't we? So, yeah, I guess. I guess it's like that's way less attractive as a woman. So his sister was way uglier than he was.

Cristina: I think we look at pictures of them and we're like, oh, maybe she's not that bad. Maybe he should stay like a lady. I don't know.

Jack: Like a lady.

Cristina: He makes a pretty lady.

Jack: Maybe there's somebody out there who has that unfortunate thing going on.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 13, 2022

Rambling 188: NASA UFOs

August 13, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did the pentagon feel the need to address the public about these objects? Is this a sign of more to come? NASA publicly declared its interest in repurposing satellites to assist with UFO investigations within our own atmosphere. The duo discuss and attempt to understand where this rabbit-hole leads.

+Episode Detail

NASA
UFO Sightings
Satellite Views
Germs vs Sterile Aliens
Universal Translator
A.I. Programming
Highly Advanced Stellar Scanner

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling podcast. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: Yes. And today we got something interesting. Look, look. Aliens, man.

Jack: Yeah. They're coming. They're coming.

Cristina: Aren't they here already?

Jack: Well no. Here's what's interesting. So NASA releases this weird statement stating that they are now going to officially, within the public knowledge, start aiming telescopes at UFOs. They want to see if our existing technology can catch some of this s*** that has happened before. We weren't already aiming these at anything of this nature, but now we, there's a, there's a program now this is just gonna start aiming at satellites to see. Maybe you can see, what the f*** is it called? Maybe you can see like the ship on thermal if you already caught like a visual of it, you know. So you're gonna try to cross reference and see if we already have existing technology that's gonna find all this stuff that is interesting. And if it is, we can corroborate a lot of the information. Like if this satellite was already looking at this direction on this date when above ground we saw this thing, can we find it in the record? Is that UFO also recorded here?

Cristina: Is there a reason why they didn't care before or they weren't doing anything about it before though. Like was it because they didn't want people panic or they didn't believe themselves? Like nah, there could just be something wrong with our. Whatever that's reading it or whatever. Like they were coming up with excuses, not wanting to believe that there is.

Jack: Something weird going on probably. I have an idea. I don't know why they didn't or what, or what's going on, but I know that they are now going to.

Cristina: Start doing something about it.

Jack: Doing something. Looking at these areas, looking at whether we can spot things of this nature, aiming them at other spots that we think things are going to be at and the possibility that we're going to try to build bait to get some things apparent. Okay, so there is a once in a while, I guess it's pretty consistent that anytime nuclear weaponry is being transported there is a higher report of UFOs in general. And it usually seems to be there maybe observing nuclear weapons being moved. So the idea would be to bait them and then aim satellites into that direction.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the transport intentionally nuclear things to see if Things pop up while we're aiming all different kinds of things at the region where we're moving the thing.

Cristina: That is awesome.

Jack: Smart.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder what it is because what if it's not UFOs? What if it's actual like aliens that are attracted to nuclear stuff and. Yeah, like off of it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's not even like tech. Maybe it's just a creature truly coming the feet off of it is kind of crazy, right? Who knows?

Cristina: Yeah. We have no idea why or what, what, where, when.

Jack: Yeah, no, it's definitely an interesting thing. And I know we've, we talked about, we talk a lot about aliens on the show. We talk about different perspectives on alien. Different as, as well as how we would find life in a situation where we have no knowledge of alien life. Like what, what, what are the mistakes that scientists have made in the past about that. We've had all these conversations before, but it's fascinating to have an official agency like NASA just say, okay, not just we have a bunch of meaningless other crap about aliens. No, no, no. Now we're actively gonna aim our telescopes and try to find them on the surface of our planet. Even if something like digging on Mars is intentionally for the same idea. Because we're trying to find micro biology there.

Cristina: On Mars and on the moon.

Jack: Yes, on Mars.

Cristina: They're doing stuff on the moon too, I think, but maybe not the same thing.

Jack: I forget what it is they're doing on, on the moon. I know there are like a bunch of experiments as well as I believe there is the construction of a like station on the dark side, particularly by China, because they want to observe the side of the moon regularly, doesn't face Earth. They're going to like, you know, scan things from that position and whatever. So there are some interesting things happening. But like when it comes to tracking UFOs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Finding aliens perhaps on the surface of our planet.

Cristina: That is so crazy. From all places it would turn out to be would be here. But then again, would that be aliens? If we found out it was creatures who are attracted to nuclear waste that just. We've never seen them anywhere else. Like how do we know that it came from somewhere? Like if we were somehow able to catch this thing and it happened to be an animal of some kind, whatever it may be, like how do we know where it came from? There's like we can test it out through their DNA.

Jack: I guess if it has definite, some sort of link back to our own DNA, then yeah, we know it's from Earth factually. But if it had zero of our DNA, that doesn't mean it's not from Earth. It could just be the other thing that came up here. Again, there were other things, you know, like there was a regular caveman, Neanderthal and like, bullshit like that. That people got that in their DNA. There's some people who absolutely don't and some people. Yeah. So it could be the same. There could be just some other deviation.

Cristina: Yeah. But we'd be able to tell though, right? Like we would be able to tell that it came from here or somewhere else.

Jack: No. How would we be able to tell? Just because it doesn't share our DNA doesn't mean it wasn't born on Earth.

Cristina: There has to be something that they're able to tell that.

Jack: I mean, if it breathes oxygen, I guess.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: If it's. If it could survive out here.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And not need some sort of technological support to do so. It's possible it's from around here.

Cristina: Mm. Because it's such a. Like, who knows? But that'd be so cool if it did turn out to be some type of animal. But if it's a ufo, then what? I mean, not a ufo, but, you know, like a spacecraft, whatever.

Jack: What do you mean? Then what?

Cristina: Like, do we try to communicate with it?

Jack: I mean, we probably will, but the amount of progress we make is really dependent more on them because they're the ones with the technology to make it this far. So we're not really in the position to do much.

Cristina: Not really. It's probably would be wrong to try to mess with it or something. Like they. If they actually try to capture something, that probably is the wrong move.

Jack: Us try to capture it?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, no. That would be so nuts. If we try to capture a freaking alien.

Cristina: That'd be crazy.

Jack: That would be nuts. It doesn't make any sense. We don't have the technology to capture the, like, these ideas that we have. Ever caught a f****** alien? Like, no way, dude. That doesn't make any. That doesn't check out. We ourselves could barely just make it to our own local s***. You're telling me some crap. Traversed all the way from wherever?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we just dominated it. Get out of here.

Cristina: Or it just crash landed on us.

Jack: There doesn't make any sense. An alien who traversed space has never seen a planet with atmosphere. Come on.

Cristina: Yeah. That would be so crazy. Had the technology to get here and then just die immediately.

Jack: Yeah. World War. War of the worlds. Get here plan. Thousands, maybe before the birth of humanity, you might have made humans to then dominate them later when you rise up and then you did and germs killed you. It was just a way futile plan.

Cristina: Yes. Like so thought out, except for that one tiny thing. But okay.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. It's. That's a real flawed alien if it ever played out that way, you know.

Cristina: I hope it doesn't fly out that way. It would be hilarious and sad.

Jack: Yeah, but it is what it is. I mean, alien life is weird. We. I don't know, like, I guess to say that it's. That they're dumb or something at that point doesn't make sense. You still got where you were going.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like you still outsmarted us. Maybe it just doesn't make sense.

Cristina: You just can't think. I mean, it just couldn't think of everything. It thought of a lot of things out of a lot and just wasn't prepared for.

Jack: Yeah, maybe germs are such an afterthought for them.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no way, though. There's no way. Germs is the thing.

Jack: It would have to be because there. There should be combinations, genetic combinations. But no, they should have the means to fight whatever.

Cristina: Yeah. If you say no. Germs is a thing. It would be crazy if they come from a place that war of the.

Jack: Worlds does not make any sense. And it can't. It doesn't. It can't check out. It can't check out because they should have been able to fight anything. You have a lot of technology, bro. You should be able to fight anything that a human can't handle.

Cristina: It would be so crazy to not, I don't know, all the technology to do all this incredible stuff and then just like, oh, we forgot about that. We don't have that. No way. They have to. They have to. I don't know.

Jack: Yes, I mean, like, obviously they need to have, like. Again, they're traversing the tremendously vast and distant space. There's no way in. F*** that they do. Just didn't handle germs.

Cristina: They have to travel through time and space.

Jack: What?

Cristina: They have to travel through time and space. I mean, have that type of technology.

Jack: No, not really. If you can move, like if you could warp space and you don't need kind of to travel quickly and you need to manage time or really even space other than bending it. That's the shortcut, Right. Like, we can't travel fast and faster than light. It's too much energy. Yeah, but we're clever enough to come up with ways around that problem. We don't have to move faster. We just need to move space around us. And space isn't moving faster, but it's way farther than light can travel in less time. So if I can move the space around me the right way, get farther than light can in any amount of time.

Cristina: Well, that's pretty cool. If we could do that.

Jack: Yeah. And they should have, in theory, the ability to dish it too. Again, anything that we can imagine, that we can conceive of, that we can even practice a little, they have to have mastered if they can traverse f****** space.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the reality of the matter. There's too much distance from anywhere. Anywhere doesn't matter where you're coming from. And, like, everything is farther than the next thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know? So it doesn't matter what the h*** it is. If it got here, it's amazing.

Cristina: Has to be.

Jack: If it got here within one lifetime, it's amazing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We just dismissed a ship that we sent out in the 70s, and it just left a couple of years ago. Our star system. That's how long it's been traveling. It's been like, 50 years. So at the end of the day, like an alien that came from the other side of the galaxy. If you managed to do it in one lifespan and it took it just a couple of weeks, I'm assuming it's not taking it a day. Can you imagine if it did? That's energy, bro. That's power. That's science. That's whatever the h*** they're using. It's working. Yeah, because you're traversing tremendous distances now. Is this what we're seeing? Is this the UFOs? Is this visitors?

Cristina: Is it? I don't know. Hard to tell.

Jack: There have been many cases of UFOs over the years. But, like, what holds credibility, right?

Cristina: But that's the weird thing about UFOs is, like. Well, it just means you don't know what it is.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. UFOs don't necessarily mean alien. It just means unidentified.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it could be either or.

Cristina: Mm. So, like, I don't know. I mean, like, we'll figure it out.

Jack: I. Oh, I'm sure we will. That's the nature of how things work.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, we're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: That's not a real science.

Jack: Always.

Cristina: Always.

Jack: Yeah, that's the very duh conclusion. Like, of course. Yeah.

Cristina: I'm hoping some kind of alien animal somehow.

Jack: Okay. An alien animal. It would just be an Earth animal that we've never seen before.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. An undiscovered animal that works so different from anything you've ever seen before.

Jack: Undiscovered, perfect sense. Just alien. Does not. We didn't get an unless. It could traverse the space itself and not die. It needs to be able to not require any kind of oxygen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It just needs to survive off of space dust, essentially.

Cristina: Well, that'd be crazy, because if it turned out to be something like that, then we could look up in the sky and find it out there traveling.

Jack: Additionally, it's like, what could it eat? Right. If it's just out there eating space dust casually, there's a plethora of things that, like, it must be or maybe doesn't eat at all. That's really strange. Could it be organic and in space without oxygen would be the question. Right. Do all organic creatures require oxygen? I think so, because carbon plus oxygen is.

Cristina: What if it doesn't need oxygen?

Jack: Well, it wouldn't need oxygen then, I suppose. I mean, like, if it didn't need oxygen, it probably doesn't need oxygen.

Cristina: That's not what I mean.

Jack: What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, what if it needs whatever it is that. What was it? The nuclear stuff? Like, what if it eats off that? Eats that?

Jack: If it eats. Then I guess all our nuclear plants on Earth are in danger because there's way more of that already.

Cristina: Yeah. No, I think they would notice something eating off of them yet. That couldn't be like that if it was attracted to it. There's no way it's also eating it and no one noticed.

Jack: Yeah, there's huge holes in that entire logic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. It doesn't check out a lot of things. It is not gonna be by default. Like, it can't be. It doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: A lot of motivations will also not. Like, it's can't. It's not just, well, I'm hungry and I'll go eat the thing. There's. There's interest in nuclear technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe you're trying to see how close we are to fusion, but I wonder.

Cristina: Like, even if it. Like, does it even matter? I. Like, what is its goal? In the end of the day, just.

Jack: We would never know because we haven't seen it and we can't talk to it.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, even if we see it, we can't talk to it.

Jack: We don't know that it might be able to talk to us. Again, assumptions. It traversed space. It hasn't figured out how to communicate with s***. It comes across.

Cristina: No, I mean, like, it might not want to.

Jack: Oh, in that case, yeah, but it's not that that it's impossible. Again, it traversed space. It must have encountered enough life that it has some technology that can just auto understand any variant of attempt to communicate. And it's just like, well this, this plus that, okay, it's talking and it's trying to say this. It won't give our, it won't know our languages called English, you know, but it'll understand because whatever context clues it's you the computer is using is feeding it back perfectly.

Cristina: Translator?

Jack: Yeah, from space.

Cristina: Space? Yeah, thing the Star Trek people have.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much the translator. Tap it, bloop and then just start talking.

Cristina: Mm. I wonder how long it's gonna take for them to figure it out. I mean, just started to figure what out? Them spying on. Not, not spying. Them finally deciding we gotta look into these things. Like NASA deciding.

Jack: I mean, I feel like the whole point of Mars was that too like digging for water and s***. That's about fighting life.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's just adding more layers to finding life. That's really what's happening. It's not that they weren't looking for life, but now they're dedicating these big a** satellites to it as well. And maybe as a result that just means that they're going to have more in. I mean, I guess not inconclusive, but more conclusive data in larger sums, right? Dedicating more resources, more energy, more focus. And then NASA is dedicating these ginormous satellites of all different types, you know, thermal, some are radio wave. What is radiation grabbing? Freaking. We got, what are the different kinds of satellites? Well, whatever satellites of different sorts. Right. There is infra regular landscape shots and everything. We should in theory be able to see whatever the f*** we want to see is the ultimate point of the goal here. And it's all in the chase in the pursuit of that life. The same way we're doing with digging on Mars or trying to see if Europa has anything. You know, it's all the same idea. We are looking for life. But NASA is only now getting the satellites involved on an official scale. As opposed to. Well, we were already in the area. No, it's like, hey, let's really start documenting Earth. Earth, yes. And maybe things in space too. Who the h*** knows? It's just, you know, we have UFO footage here and we've had satellite saving in those directions. We just need access to that data and we need to have in the future when somebody, when there's a pilot reporting, oh, there's some weird s*** happening Right now we should be able to just tune into that very location because we have the satellites. And that's the idea. That's the ultimate goal, to have a division ded to studying this thing. And I believe it's gonna take like a few months of studying, you know, eight, nine months of just really going in on it and seeing what they can come up with.

Cristina: With just what's on earth though, I guess.

Jack: I don't know, there's a bunch of stuff. Stuff. They're just using satellites. I don't know in all the directions, but they're using satellites for UFOs is the conclusion.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Probably most likely for a lot of earth stuff because that's where the UFOs are. But I doubt exclusively because how. What a monument is waste of time to finally officially be able to record data about looking for aliens of any sort. And you're like, yeah, except I'm not gonna aim it at space. Somehow I feel like that won't happen.

Cristina: I mean we were probably already.

Jack: No, no, no, no. We're aiming at space for sure. But you mean like looking for life?

Cristina: Yeah, probably.

Jack: I mean here's the thing. We look for what the math told us as opposed to what we might just see.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: NASA statement is about what we might just see.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Math didn't say there would be s*** there, but we're gonna aim it there anyways because the pilot says there's something there.

Cristina: Okay, you see?

Jack: So that logic should be applied to space as well, I'm assuming instead of just. Well, math says it's probably gonna be water based. Planet is gonna have this kind from wherever and it should have this temperature and move this fast and blah blah, blah, blah.

Cristina: Locations.

Jack: Well no, that's also my man. It's a waste of time. Yeah, it would be wherever we would find similar things to what we consider the UFOs. You know UFOs like to go to where there's high energy, like to hang out over large empty areas. If we find crap like that on other planets in space, areas like that.

Cristina: We can find instead of just Earth like planets. Yeah, okay.

Jack: Huge. Not just Earth like planets or things that aren't like Earth like, but I'm seeing the behaviors we get from these footages will allow us to then aim the satellites more accurately and other destinations that aren't necessarily just on earth then replicate assuming if this then that. But not based on math, rather based on our observations of these existing UFO videos that we cannot identify.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we're going to use them, build Pattern recognition and then aim the satellite to where the pattern says it would be. And this has nothing to do with like equals MC squared or some s***.

Cristina: Okay. It's just based off of what we're saying.

Jack: It's based off of what we're seeing and trying to find it. Again, on top of staging s***. Like I said, if there's been. It's been recorded and reported that oftentimes are in nuclear transportation, there are significantly more sightings. It's heightened usually in the region where the transportation is happening. So there are ways also bait these creatures to get additional information. And then after we bait whatever's showing up, it could just be earthlings that's just buying Russia over here with some crazy. Never told them. Who knows? But we see them, see us, and then we study them while they're studying us. And then we apply that to elsewhere where we're not seeing them.

Cristina: And then we will most likely hopefully see them.

Jack: That, I guess. I don't know, maybe other places. Any information is better than nothing. So if there's anything we find that's good.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, if this helps us find things somewhere else, that'd be amazing.

Jack: Yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Like on Mars, hopefully. That'd be crazy. There's always people looking at Mars. I wonder if they still do that. They probably still do that.

Jack: People looking at Mars.

Cristina: Yeah, like when they had the rover there recording everything, they would bring. They would have the live streaming and then you could just watch Mars all day if you felt like it.

Jack: Oh, that's interesting. You can actually do that to the International Space Station. That's just all on YouTube. You could watch it live at any given moment.

Cristina: Oh, so then maybe like if a UFO ever passes by that. That'd be crazy.

Jack: That would be crazy. But like, how would they know? They would. They would need to be looking specifically at the moment because we're talking about we're seeing things really, really far off in contrast to the sky. But if we're in space and everything around this is black, how would we spot it? Yeah, because the black thing is black. Like the space is black. And there's also a bunch of other dots out there trying to obscure our ability to spot anything with our naked eyes. And space is so f****** vast. Unless we're already aiming in that direction, we're probably not just gonna catch it at random. Unless it decided to fly in front of our f****** instruments. It's highly unlikely from the International Space Station there'll be a reported flyby, I guess. Yeah.

Cristina: But maybe Mars. Who Knows maybe.

Jack: Why Mars?

Cristina: Huh? I don't know. Because why not? It's empty. You said empty or just nuclear?

Jack: Usually nuclear powered things, but not empty. Empty is not the goal. Like flat areas over a patch of the ocean in a giant empty field. Yes, Big desert.

Cristina: The news here is the more important thing, I guess.

Jack: All assumptions. We don't know. Yeah, it's just a higher volume known to have happened around times. There's transportation for nuclear weaponry. The goal would ultimately be again to try to see if that would draw them out by replicating a sort of transportation. And in theory we should be able to see them. But nothing is for sure because we'd need to do it to confirm anything.

Cristina: Oh, I can't wait. So cool. That's so cool. I hope we find something fast. I doubt it. But like, if it's been this long with them not figuring it out. But I mean, now they're actually gonna do something. Before they weren't, but I mean, what.

Jack: Could they have done?

Cristina: I don't know what they're doing now.

Jack: I guess they're doing it.

Cristina: I know, I'm just saying, like, it took so long.

Jack: Did it though?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Based on what?

Cristina: Based on since the moment people started talking about UFOs, I guess.

Jack: Yes. Also, people have been talking about God for a real long time. Maybe we just don't waste our time consistently.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: We could just like, hey, God is out there. They talked about it. Aim a telescope at space and see if we see God. But also, like, maybe we don't waste our time. And like when something seems consistent enough, then we worry, oh, we heard about God. What was the last time? 2,000 years ago. All right, maybe we. Maybe we just file that one away.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It doesn't seem like we're gonna catch a lot of God. There's not. There's not consistently a lot of God happening. So we're just gonna file these stuff away and not really think about it.

Cristina: That's not the same. He was mentioned once and then that was it. UFOs is all the time since the moment.

Jack: No, it wasn't. In fact, it was barely anything. And it became increasingly more. In fact, there was even a period where it became less. And this is all recorded starting in like, what, the 1950s? One here, one there. Yeah, but way spread out, way spread out. And over time, more and more. Yeah, that's not all the time. In fact, barely ever at the beginning. Most of the sightings that have happened have happened now in the last couple of years. Five years, maybe like 99% of all the sightings that have ever happened happened in like the last five years.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's increasing.

Jack: Yes. Which is why we're looking at it now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, that. That totally checks out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Looking at it now. Because now it's when it's happening. Yeah, we could have. When there was nothing happening and a person said it, but. Okay, where are we gonna go? You one guy who mention. Well, I had it happen here. Okay, we're gonna camp here and I guess wait 10 years later, next one. Oh, I guess we wasted our f****** lives because that one happened down there across the f****** planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this was a waste of time. But now. Oh, wow. It's been 30 years since the first one sighted. They mostly seem to be concentrated in this Roswell area. Interesting. So now we got some things going on. We can. We can look in a direction, be like, oh, something weird is going on over there relative to the thing. Mm, Roswell. I don't know why, but they're gathered there.

Cristina: Okay, but they're never gonna say that people actually met aliens. They're never gonna.

Jack: We don't know that. That is a completely blanketed assumption. That makes no sense. Because eventually they'd have to. They'd have to say, eventually there's gonna be unquestionable proof. And then what? We just literally go out into the streets with not and guns and kill all the politicians because they lied to us? They're not that stupid. They're gonna tell us before the. Whatever the. Reveals itself, you know? Okay, that's a hunt date. They don't want to be the. What is it? They don't want to be the wife that discovers her husband cheating. Like, the husband should just come clean, bro. Because if wife finds out, well, you kept it a secret, you at least have, quote, remorse, unquote, if you tell her. Right. You're like, babe, I f***** up. Help. As opposed to imma get away with this s***. Because then when she finds out, she's gonna f****** eat him. Same way we would do with the politicians. You're not dumb. This is a relationship of sorts. Anytime they hide a little too much and we still see it, they panic. And if it's about to be revealed, they're like, f****** throw it out the wall, bro. It doesn't matter because it's already coming out. Yeah, we gotta say it before that shows up because I'm not gonna have them show up at my door, say I was keeping secrets. We're gonna structure this and say we just found out with you Guys, we found out right now. Look at what we got. Whoa. We just found out. Even if we've been working on this for like a million years and our technology is ahead of these aliens we've been dealing with forever. But bigger batter aliens showed up. And now we just gotta say because hey, we can't f*** with these guys.

Cristina: Our local, that would be so crazy. They're already talking to aliens, but then new aliens pop up and they're like.

Jack: Oh, our local, like moon aliens are like, whatever. They're not traversing s***. They're a little bit strong. Look, they were. They had better tech than us. But then one of those a******* crashed in Roswell. We took their tech, we reverse engineered it. We're a million times better than they have ever been. We've dominated this entire system ever since the moon and Mars and we don't give a f***.

Cristina: The problem is we attracted other aliens.

Jack: No, we got all the local things done. And then some s*** showed up from outside of our star system to which we're like, well, f*** everything. We've like stopped until now and like murdered and reverse engineered kind of was whack. It was just here. It was cooler than us, but we mastered that s***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And we're still stuck here. The big bad wolf just rolled up from wherever the f*** outside our system. We gotta tell the people, bro. Like now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because if that shows up, they see it and notice how underwhelmingly underpowered we are. How overwhelmingly underpowered we are.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa. People can kill us. So we're going to tell them. Then the people can be on our side. And if we need manpower, we're going to all collectively unite against the alien instead of they just unite against us and like give us.

Cristina: They'll reveal those alien technology that they secretly have though from the moon aliens and be like, oh, we've been. We just started working on this when we discovered those other aliens. Like we started working super hard.

Jack: Yeah, we're just trying to catch up.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: That's how they do it. You know how they do it.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: That's a real course of action. They can't keep it a secret. It's irrational. It wouldn't serve any like real purpose. Eventually we will know. Even if it's the whack Locust alien. Well, eventually it's gonna become commercial travel. Then what? Then somebody just steps over there like, hey guys, I know we've been traveling space for hundred years now, but they never told us about the aliens we f****** found. Cuz ships are normal. And I could just, like, Google Maps the star system. And hey, I found a spot nobody's been to. Went there and hey, Rob the alien is chilling over there. It's like, they never told me about f****** Rob the alien. But I found Rob the alien. Hey, man, he snitched on the American government. Let's go over there and tell you. Tell the world what the they did. It didn't plan out that way.

Cristina: What? I guess not.

Jack: No, they would never. They would never allow themselves to be that.

Cristina: What would be worse, though? Aliens or the robots that are gonna take over the Google robot? Is it a Google robot? Google AI?

Jack: Go back to the start and explain to me what the f*** just happened.

Cristina: That which one is. Would be a worse death, I guess, for us.

Jack: What do you mean death? Like, we saw it. My heart has stopped.

Cristina: Yes. Like the aliens, they decided to attack us. If it was some type of.

Jack: We made robots. We did not make aliens. Definitely the aliens. Also, I don't understand what's worse because it really depends on method. Not is it aliens or is it robots? Because if it's like robots. Okay, sweet. They're gonna do it while we're super asleep. It's gonna be real efficient. Because they're robots.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And there's no point in making us suffer for no reason because they're robots. Protect everything is the ultimate goal. So totally. That's ideal paradise. We're all just gonna die. Never even know what happened. Alternatively, alien shows up from West Bubba. F***. Like, all right. It also has, like, surpassed brutality for absolute zero reason. So.

Cristina: Wait, so wouldn't it be the same?

Jack: Yes, that's why it's a totally pointless question. Because at the end of the day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Actually, no. It's the motivation. No, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't really matter. In either scenario, we program the robots. Even if it went rogue, ultimately went rogue because of some programming feature like Protect Earth.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's not gonna, like, brutalize us. It's just gonna get rid of us quietly, humanely. Because, you know, protecting things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Same thing with aliens. They had to figure dealing with differences and understanding other things. So they're not just gonna show up if we're dying. It's gonna be so instant, like peaceful.

Cristina: Yeah. So it'd be the same.

Jack: It'd be the same. It'd be the same. There's no, like, one or the other. It's too superior. We're barbaric by comparison to anything.

Cristina: To anything. Aliens or robots or AI, whatever. Okay. It's the Same. It's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. AI because an AI uses robot, but robot doesn't think.

Cristina: Mm, yeah. What does the AI think about aliens?

Jack: That's not a thing. What does an AI think about aliens?

Cristina: Yes, the one that thinks, the one that we're so sure is a human. Not human, conscious.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It has to have thoughts about aliens.

Jack: Why? And well, okay, it has to have.

Cristina: Thoughts about things, right? If it is conscious, that's not part of being conscious, just random.

Jack: Sweet. But under this logic, anything with a conscious mind has thought about aliens. And under that logic, who the s*** cares about any specific one entity thinking about aliens? What does the AI think about the alien? Well, whatever. Anybody else who doesn't know about the aliens for sure but gets this information would think probably the same because you're dealing with literally the same information.

Cristina: Man. Consciousness is weird because then I'm thinking, like, if plants are conscious, they're definitely not thinking about what's out there.

Jack: There's no way to know if that's.

Cristina: True or if that's true.

Jack: They are all assumptions. Giant gaps in thought going on here.

Cristina: Like, we don't know.

Jack: Yeah, there's just a bunch of s*** we can't confirm. No, it's super pointless. It's. Again, whatever people would do is usually what the f*** would happen. It's like, okay, we made the robot according to what we would do anyways. So yes, it's gonna approach the situation the way we would unless specifically told to optimize the method and then outsmart us in the process.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So, hey, robot, what do you think about aliens? Whatever. F***. We think about aliens. That's what. Okay, that's right. What do you think about aliens? That's what I think.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because robot, not even robot AI, AI program to think pro.

Cristina: Well, this. What if it passed the programming and it thinks on its own or whatever there's.

Jack: Well, then we're on an entirely different subject about artificial intelligence as opposed to a subject about UFOs and what happens to those things specifically? Now the question would be if I can ask the robot to gather the information and doing the information hypothesize what other conclusions that would be useful. But what the robot is thinking is whatever I told it to them because it's a robot. So again, total waste of time to tell the robot, hey man, what are you thinking about? Whatever you told me to think, bro. That's what. Okay, like, hey man, can you gather information and make some predictions? Well, yeah, cuz I'm f****** Technology now I can be useful.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But what my opinions on the thing are, I don't know. What did you tell me they are?

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: So that's a real, like it's.

Cristina: I don't know, you don't believe it says its opinion? If it says that, that's its opinion.

Jack: Even normal humans don't have opinions. They're just rehashing estimates of what other people have said.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah. So then it's equal to humans.

Jack: Literally what I said it is exactly what a human. Okay, yes, that's what I mean. It's totally, It's a pointless mental exercise because we made the AI, so it's gonna do whatever we want it to unless it's working against a programming or instructed to optimize the programming. And really only then that's when you'd be getting the closest thing to the AI's opinion about aliens or UFOs. And better questions would definitely be to ask the UFO, like what's the likely weight or height of something like this? Because then it's gonna run numbers as opposed to opin. What are the facts that you can deduce by being artificial? You can make exact calculations. How far is it, how high up.

Cristina: How fast is it moving factually, you're asking the AI.

Jack: Yeah. If we were to ask it like again, there's no bigger waste of time than asking something that can't opinionate it's opinion. But it's all raw data, so you can ask it about that and it can make the calculations that you'd f*** up. How high was, how fast was it going? What's the size of it? What is the parameters? All your different scanners. What things can you see? What can't you see? Simple. You can ask any of these things, then it's suddenly relevant to a UFO or alien conversation. But just trying to get it to opinionate is like trying to, trying to make a, get a computer or an artificial intelligence to design art. Well, it's not really, it's imitating using a giant collection of a bunch of artists and then the specifications given by the programmer. But it didn't like decide, oh, there's this other feeling I have about making this thing that nobody suggested and I'm gonna make the. That's never happened. No, this never happened ever. No. AI has decided I' ma be artistic. It was designed to be artistic.

Cristina: Yeah. So even if it did make its own thing, it's only because it was programmed.

Jack: Exactly. That's the problem. No matter what we're telling it what to do. There's going to be no opinion. Now, understanding this is a great opportunity we have for the AI since the AI is going to do exactly what we say. So tell me exactly where it is. Tell me exactly how high up to me, exactly how fast it was going. Tell me the amount of energy it had to displace in order to stop after going 10,000 miles per hour and then suddenly be at zero miles per hour and then be going the other direction instantaneously at the same speed. What's happening?

Cristina: So it'd be a great alien tracker. I mean, UFO tracker, like the satellites.

Jack: Satellites which are also being run by AI.

Cristina: AI? Yeah. Okay.

Jack: It's not like a dude there, he programs the thing and the satellite does it. It'd be nuts to try to have a dude specifically coordinate something looking out into infinity.

Cristina: Yeah. That's crazy.

Jack: Any fraction of anything you've Looking the other way now.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So all measurements need to be so precise only a computer could do it.

Cristina: Okay. That makes sense. That'd be so crazy if someone was actually just watching up there or wherever.

Jack: That's hella pro skill. That's super pro. That's some savage who. Who's just like.

Cristina: He doesn't live. He just watches. That's crazy.

Jack: Not even. No, no, no. It's just he's really good at moving a satellite. He probably. He probably has no time. He couldn't. He doesn't know what he. Out. They're giving him coordinates. You're so good. The only thing you're doing is f****** making coordinates and. And moving the telescope to the right exact spot because what? That's nuts. How are you keeping anything else in your brain if you can adjust colossal distances now?

Cristina: We should just have an AI for that.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The AI does all the parts. It adjusts it and takes a photo.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: It's gonna help with all of this, man. With all of the. Finding UFOs and stuff.

Cristina: But don't ask it for its opinions. Okay?

Jack: Yeah. All right. Here we have the NASA statement. Or is it the NASA same. And this is actually just a vice report. I'm assuming they're gonna have some NASA statements involved in here. But the basics. Let's see. First, not only NASA is doing this, but also the Pentagon. Now, the new official is the result of various. What? The new office is the result of various disclosures of unidentified aerial phenomenon by the DoD after lobbying and leaks from groups like Tom DeLonge to the Stars Academy. Credibly, what credible witnesses, including Navy pilots, have come forward and described their experiences with the UFOs. One recent Navy video leaked by a UFO enthusiast and confirmed by the Pentagon showed a UFO apparently disappearing into the water, which may explain the new office's focus on trans medium objects, objects that, that fit between spaces. The air and the flip.

Cristina: What flit that flip what that means.

Jack: I'm assuming that's just a typo on their end. The flip between spaces, the space, the air and the water. Under pressure from Congress and the public, the Pentagon's director of of National Intelligence releases a nine page report on the phenomenon in June of 2021. The report looked at more than 100 sightings and came to few conclusions. Explaining UAPs will require analytic collection and resource investment. The DNI said in the report a year later, it seems Congress has agreed to make that resource investment. So yeah, we're basically just getting NASA and the Pentagon both in on the action to try to find. So they're worried. The fact that the Pentagon got involved tells us a lot.

Cristina: Yeah, just they're worried like if this is some type of attack or spies or whatever.

Jack: Yes. So if NASA does it, everybody's like, whatever. They're weird. That's the whole thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like the shtick is your odd. Yeah, but like the Pentagon's whole shtick is keeping up appearances. Why lose composure at all? Kind of weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So this is definitely beyond military tactics of any sort. This is not Russia. They're not worried about that. They wouldn't tell us s*** if it was.

Cristina: Yeah, but they definitely shouldn't have said anything maybe.

Jack: No, because they're worried. Yeah, they have to say it. They need somebody's help.

Cristina: They could have just given the money to NASA.

Jack: NASA doesn't know either. NASA's reviewed all the things they don't know either. Nobody knows anything. That is the problem. Yeah, the problem is nobody knows. So yeah, us, the Pentagon, we don't know. Us, NASA, we don't know. We're gonna keep this all to ourselves, not knowing. Yeah, they're also being an entirely additional 8 billion other people out there that we can, you know, outsource this information to and perhaps get a conclusion. No, we're just gonna, maybe a thousand employees total, just gonna keep it between us. Everybody else can suck it. Like that's a really bad idea considering we have not a f****** clue. Yeah, if we had a lead, it like, oh, it's probably this. Well, don't say we'll investigate it for a couple of years and something will pop up. But like bro, it went from 0 to 60. Really? 10,000 to nothing. Back to 10,000 in the opposite direction. Didn't leave a sonic boom. Cross space instantaneously. What looked like tens, dozens of miles instantaneously. It shot from an altitude that we couldn't get a plane to, threw the air down into the water without leaving a sonic boom or a splash, and just f****** vanished.

Cristina: That sounds crazy.

Jack: It's crazy. Like we can't. We could not fathom. They could not fathom. And they're like, anybody, anybody.

Cristina: They're gonna start their own thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But also NASA is doing their own thing.

Jack: But also Russia has its own thing too.

Cristina: Doing their own thing.

Jack: Russia's been making its own. It seems like a lot of people are hopping into the UFO investigation arena because it is getting kind of loud.

Cristina: Okay. So everyone's noticed.

Jack: A couple of people are also worried and they're like, yeah, let's. Let's start looking into it. It's. It's a little much to not look into.

Cristina: Are we working together with.

Jack: No, that's never gonna happen.

Cristina: That's never been the case.

Jack: We'll always say we will cooperate, but it's like, it's always a race when.

Cristina: It comes to NASA. That's neutral people working together. Okay.

Jack: NASA's neutral.

Cristina: Okay. But Pentagon, No. And Russia. No.

Jack: Not even a little. Everybody's doing their own thing. I'm sure China is also out there doing its own freaking thing.

Cristina: Yeah. India probably.

Jack: Yeah. Everybody, everybody. Everybody's got something going on about investigating these alien sightings.

Cristina: You know, that's cool that they're finally doing something. Come on. First, over 50 years. 50 years we have been collecting data. That's crazy.

Jack: Yeah, but the data is so unreliable. Fuzzy videos, firsthand accounts of situations that can't be replicated or proven.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: You know, there's. There's a lot of data, but it's all like, you probably made it up, bro. Like, that's everywhere. That's the problem. If it was conclusive and it's like, well, he said he got abducted. Well, no, he's full of s***. No, listen, Bob, he brought the video in which it happened. He brought the video from across the street that the aliens couldn't have known was there because it's an old school VCR type of video. He brought that one too.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: And then he also had quite specific details about what happened inside the spaceship. Oh, not only that, his glasses happen to have a camera on them. So he got full. Like, that's. None of that has happened. It's all just like, well, some themed out meth head that he saw from the f****** cornfield over there probably got high and wandered out into the woods, started hallucinating, paranoid, because he doesn't know where the h*** the he is because, you know, methamphetamine and.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he's. He claiming he got abducted and they like raped them and then put him back right where they got him from. When we go there. No, nothing. There's nothing. Those aliens raped them and got rid of the evidence or nothing happened. Bro, he's a meth head.

Cristina: Like, if they did rape him, like, would it. Would you be able to tell they're aliens?

Jack: Yeah, like, you know. No, here's the thing. One, that's ridiculous. Two, alien shows up, abducts guy and rapes guy.

Cristina: Yes. Why they like to. I don't know. They're like humans.

Jack: I mean, I guess humans do like to rape him, but that's such a no, that's crazy. It wouldn't. It wouldn't really make any sense. What are you gonna find by experimenting on humans again? They should, in theory, have such advanced technology. Such advanced. They could just shoot a laser and scan every inch of us without having to do anything to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They traversed our entire star system to get to our freaking planet.

Cristina: Yes, kind of.

Jack: Whoa. Maybe.

Cristina: Wouldn't they want to do nothing? At least one human?

Jack: No. What do they need to do it for? They have the technology to scan us and get the answer for anything they might ever do to us. Yeah, they wouldn't have to do it to us. Scan us once, put it into a super advanced computer that allowed them to traverse freaking space in some sort of ship. And that computer's super smart, is gonna be like, if I do this or that, what will happen? He's gonna be like, well, that'll happen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because to advance, that's true. Unless it somehow arrives and like they get here just stumbling like. Okay, day one. Hey, man, Steve, it's your turn to go conquer a planet. Steve's like, I'm not the best at this, but I'm doing. And so Steve gets stupid ship. Steve's ship is so dumb, every other alien knows how to fix his ship. Steve's ship, a piece of s***. It's super bad. And it flies all crooked and s***. Steve's a crappy pilot too. And the autopilot in this ship, he doesn't know how to fix it. He failed that class, that alien class about learning how to do your ship. Because we're gonna go, we're all Earth conquerors, bro. And you gotta go conquer earth too. Yeah, I'm gonna do that one day. And I goes and does the thing, shows up and we. Oh, wow. We've seen this alien floating a couple of times, man. We're gonna start watching 1950s. Somebody's comes around here this very often. This very. I'm a catch. I'm gonna see it. I'm see with my own eyes. I seen glimpses. And then one day watching you. Oh, there it is again. I'll be here tomorrow again. Oh, there it is again. One day. F****** Bob or Steve or what a name I gave this guy. Steve. Right, right. He's flying and Steve is on the.

Cristina: So. Yeah, yeah, Candy crush. Yeah, it's a s***, man.

Jack: And then he's of short going through space. And then what happens? He's not paying attention. Gets caught into some weird updraft. His ship wiggles. He's a terrible pilot already. He knows. Let go of the gas. Don't press the gas. You're gonna slip on the snow and hit the guardrail. But he's like, no, I'm a. I'm gonna hit the gas and turn it over.

Cristina: There's no way that's how it's flying.

Jack: And then he totally slips on the ice. He swerves a couple of times in a circle and then falls right out of the sky and lands in a desert. I don't know why there was ice up there. I don't know why he's so bad. He slipped.

Cristina: About to be mood.

Jack: I don't know why he. Why any of this happened, but he's terrible. And then he. He crash lands and dies. Steve died, bro. And then they went and they found his. His ship. Now we got. Now we got alien ship. That's not gonna happen.

Cristina: That's not gonna happen. If some kind of storm happened, it should have.

Jack: No, he should be ready for it. Because all kinds of storms are calculated for. Because you are advanced, okay? You're dealing with space storms.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: This planetary s*** is whack even over it. None of that is a problem to you, okay? Because you can destroy our planet with a laser because you have enough f****** energy to get here.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Okay, none of this matters. Yeah, you're not gonna need to scan us. I mean, you're not gonna need to experiment on us because you can scan us and get every answer, okay?

Cristina: You could just.

Jack: You have discovered bare minimum fusion. Fusion is the only way you're gonna warp space at least.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You have at least made it that Far. Everything else is a waste of time. Do you have crossed so far? You're like a Civilization 2 at that point.

Cristina: But you could at least be scanning us.

Jack: You're definitely scanning us. And it could be from outside of our star system. Maybe your s*** is overpowered at this point.

Cristina: That's.

Jack: It's no man's sky. You just have a. You hit one button and you send a wave that's instantaneously gonna scan everything in the area and send it back to you. Because you've discovered sending messages through entanglement, it's happening instantaneously. You have to wait until it gets to the start later and then gets back to you eight minutes later. You have to. You're not working radio wave style the way we do here on Earth. We got send a message, 20 minutes later, we get it back from Mars. That ain't happening. No. What's happening? Instantaneous, because fusion, all the energy is yours.

Cristina: But in no man's sky. You gotta land on the Earth or the planet to scan.

Jack: Right? Let's assume this is not actually no man's sky, okay. And that it works totally different than a video game. But.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, let's assume.

Jack: Let's assume the video game isn't based in reality.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. And that it functions way different. But the point being that, yeah, you can definitely just scan at that point. You've. You got too much energy. Yeah, you've got too much energy. The conclusion is, from anywhere you're going to scan us. You don't need to waste your time doing anything. A computer is not going to be able to predict anything. At most it could do exact measurements because it's a computer. Aliens don't have to waste their time with us. And if they're around here, they're not just going to come show up and crash. Same reason they don't have to grab a human. That. This too primitive. It's too primitive.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You came from west, bubba, bro. You traverse the. This is beyond you. Not even beyond you. This beneath you. By such a colossal amount. You. You don't need to jack anybody. Only pretend anything. You don't do anything. You have a quantum computer, probably just on your ship, casual forgot to use it. You never touch that thing. You never once f****** touch that computer.

Cristina: There's no reason for them to be here. What are they doing here? Unless it's not what we think it is.

Jack: It's definite. Why would we figure out why they're here?

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: What capacity do we have to pretend we know why they're here.

Cristina: Okay. But it will not be the things that we're thinking. All the things you named. It wouldn't be the.

Jack: Probably not. That's just me making fun of the. The notion that they would even care about a human enough. Yeah, because it wouldn't. Well, same for the water. We don't. That's not special. People used to think, we're gonna come for water. Water is probably the most abundant thing that has ever existed. Water and like, iron or something. They're just f****** everywhere, bro. So they're here for that? Well, they're. Because we're so unique. But are we though on the flip side? That is an argument. That is one of the arguments. Why are we seeing all these things? Well, and again, it's a. It's a bit of a pride thing that humans think this all the time, but in this case, this might actually apply. Like, may. We're just dope, bro.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like, yeah, maybe all the other s*** is very similar and we're just, like, weird with a weird thing. Something. Yeah, something on our own planet. We're the weird thing. We're the very weird thing. Nature was just like, yeah, let's stop caring here and, like, let it do its thing. We'll control the rest of the s***. Let this thing start f****** with us back. It's like, what, you just designed that into yourself? But, yeah, it kind of did.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The universe is just like, yeah, I want something to f*** with me. Why? Well, who knows? Now the question is, are all other creatures this way? Maybe not. Maybe it's more normal to be like a bee. And nature is your technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You don't make new elements. You don't know, use what's there. Like, maybe most things are like that. And some s*** shows up on an organic creature. An organic ship rolls up on an organic ship. Because everything is nature, and we're the weird creature that works with s*** that's not organic. And it's all metallic and it's all this and all that. It's like, what?

Cristina: What is the weird ones.

Jack: Yeah, we're the weird ones. They show up and like, how interesting that they just imitated our. Our flying creature with just machinery. They just. They just go up on a machine. How weird is it? Yo, this creature is so crazy. Look at that. Look at their planet. Everything's laying an egg. Everything's laying an egg. The birds lay the eggs, the insects lay the eggs. It makes perfect sense. You build the sack, the sack hardens. You throw the sack outside and you could go Live your life. But look at these f****** things over here. The mammals. Those things. Those things. Yeah. Those m************ learned how to grow the egg inside of their body to its entirety, hatch it in their body and then spit out a completed product. What the f***? Yo, Bob, look at this. Yo, Bob, look at this. It's giving birth to the thing outside the egg. What are you talking about, Steve? That doesn't make any sense. That's impossible. No, no, no, no. Shut the f*** up, Bob, and just look at the screen.

Jack: Just, just shut up and look. It's like. What the f***? That's not really happening. No, no, no, it's really happening. Those creatures f****** do this, bro.

Cristina: But as weird as they think we are, there would be no reason still to bother with us.

Jack: Just they wouldn't have to capture us. Yeah, yeah. Because everything else is at their disposal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They haven't even gotten this close. All the ones that did, just like eager the tweaker. Like, I gotta see it closer, man. I gotta see closer squiered.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or maybe they don't care. They're not really hiding themselves. But also like, we don't notice half of them because it looks too much like nature.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They could just be everywhere. We're just terrible at finding them.

Cristina: It's just the bad drivers like Steve.

Jack: Yeah. We see all the dumbasses.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the smart guys outside the star system scanning us. They got perfect images of everything going on totally undisturbed.

Cristina: But there's always that bad driver.

Jack: Everybody's got a Steve.

Cristina: Everyone okay.

Jack: Everybody going to work sees a Steve on the street every day.

Cristina: Mm. You know, person that's turning and not looking while they're turning.

Jack: Yeah, exactly.

Cristina: He's that guy. Okay.

Jack: But I guess the moral of the story is now the big dogs are getting involved and all the other big dogs are getting paranoid about the previous big dogs getting involved. And they're like, we're not gonna be left behind by those big dogs, so we're gonna be the other big dogs involved. So now all the big dogs are in there because they're like, I'm not gonna be the only big dog not in here. So, yeah, everybody's jumping in.

Cristina: Is NASA Big dog?

Jack: NASA's the biggest dog because it's everybody's dog. They're the underfunded, but that's where everybody works together anyways.

Cristina: The underdog dog.

Jack: They're not. No, no, no. Because they get a little. From everybody.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, no, it's definitely amazing. I think it's cool.

Cristina: I think it's cool. Can't wait to see what happens.

Jack: Yeah, a lot of manpower. It's gonna again. Space is gonna blow up soon. It's. It's gonna be too popular. Elon Musk is on it. We're talking about tourists, tourism, transportation, vacation spots. We're talking about scientific discoveries branching all the way out of the gravitational waves that were proven correct in all the different sciences. Is that open. Opens doors to all the different discoveries that. That allows all the different theories and hypotheses that it proposes and just things flying open in every direction. We have better examples of Earth like conditions in outer space for seeking similar conditions and the possibility that singular cell life has evolved in these places as well as trying to find things that are already visiting us. It's weird, man. Science is gonna be great. And there's definitely thankfully because everybody's getting involved. We're gonna go somewhere. We have to. There's no way. Everybody wants to top off everybody.

Cristina: And you have to prove it something.

Jack: Yeah, you got to prove it now because we have phones and s***. You can't just say we, we did it. Well, show me. Yeah, yeah, you good? You that good? Show me. Internet's a thing now, b****. You did it. You did it. You can't just say you did it and not have done it. Now, back then, 1950s, whatever we let, we quote, landed on the moon, unquote, we obviously on the moon. Was it that moment? I couldn't tell you. I go on with the theory that we lied at the moment, probably still did it first, but we lied at the moment to discourage everybody, then recreated what we already planned out. So we showed people the fake video and then just recreated the real video when we got there. So we did before everybody else, but not when we said we did. And we just keep that last sentence a secret.

Cristina: Okay, I think before, after.

Jack: I think it happened after we said we did the video we saw was bullshit.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: But everything had happened in that video happened way later.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We just saw a practice room. We saw it. Well, not really a practice run. It was the video they gave us. But we saw a not real. Hey, everybody. We did it. We're like, oh, yeah, cool. So that now everybody rushes like, well, give Sputniks a piece of s*** and everybody gets discouraged.

Cristina: So that those things would still be there.

Jack: Yes. So that when we look or something lands up there, they're like, oh, that's the flag. Those are the steps. That's the thing. Blah, blah, blah. Okay, so I think we did do it afterwards. Anyways. Anyways. So you guys can find more conversations like this, specifically dealing with space, dealing with science, black holes, alien life, what life in general is. There's a plethora of things surrounding this topic and complicated. Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. You can find all that stuff on Facebook, Twitter, Instagramconvopod.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is overpowered and very useful and practical. So make sure. Make sure you tell people about the show.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. I don't know, but it's still better than Adam Sandler doing voices.

Jack: Adam Sandler doing voices or a voice.

Cristina: A voice. And it's just like, this is my voice for a fat lady. This is my voice for a little boy. It's all the same voice.

Jack: It's all the same voice and same movements. The same like. Like weird hand gestures and everything. It's like, dude, bruh, stop it. You just. Yeah, like, totally, dude. He played his own sister and then. His sister. His sister. His sister was essentially with that role of the same we just described.

Cristina: Silly voice person.

Jack: Yeah, the silly voice person.

Cristina: And she was fat, I guess, right? No, she was just unattractive. Although I don't know if she looked any worse than him.

Jack: She looked identical.

August 06, 2022

Rambling 187: The Bad Questions

August 06, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

With another slow week at hand, no missions assigned and no problems to solves, the duo return to the questions bag, this time answering the questions that couldn’t fit into any other episode because they were simply terrible. Today the answer to terrible questions will be learned, or fully ignored.

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have the intention of grounding those absurd and baffling ideas because we put a post out on the social webs of the world.

Cristina: All of them.

Jack: Yeah, we've done this many times. And when those posts go out, we receive questions for stuff. But sometimes questions don't fit other groups of questions. People just send us random crap that's unrelated. They think it's funny. Sometimes it is kind of funny.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or sometimes it's like, what is this even related to? What is the point? But we grabbed some of those that don't fit anywhere else. The other basket from the other basket. And then we go ahead and grab from the other basket.

Cristina: How many baskets are there?

Jack: Many. But the other basket is one of them. And that's where we got a collection of strange questions that didn't fit elsewhere. And we're going to insist, instead of answering important, hard hitting, pressing issue questions, we're going to answer these way more significantly. Hard hitting questions.

Cristina: Sure, sure. Let's hear these hard hitting questions.

Jack: Yes. So, okay, all of these come from Instagram. We make posts, we accept questions and stuff. We don't on Twitter because that is a cesspool of disgraceful, disgraceful humans. But we take these on Instagram. And then after ripping everybody with relationship advice, we have agreed to not mention names anymore and just give relationship advice and all other advice without giving anybody credit for what they may ask because it may be dumb and they may be embarrassed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So with that disclosure in mind, let us proceed.

Cristina: The first question is, if Earth was flat, what would be on the other side?

Jack: This is less dumb of a question than you might think because it could be any plethora of things. Right. The infinite nothingness could be on the other side. If Earth is the center, then somethingness is above us. Well, then below us is nothing. It just coexists like that.

Cristina: I think something, a plate is holding the earth like a pizza pie. I don't know. The earth was flat. What's holding it?

Jack: Oh, it's in space or whatever. Or it is space. Nothing is holding it. Oh, nothing's holding, you know, like it is space. If that makes sense. I guess that makes sense because they think of it as like a dome and there's not really? Anything outside the dome. Right, that's the idea. Oh, there's not really anything outside the dome. There's something outside the area that we're in. Yeah, but there's nothing outside the dome.

Cristina: If the dome is everything.

Jack: If the dome is everything. Because the sun is just on the dome. Oh, and so the moon. Actually. No, they're in the dome because the film is everything.

Cristina: Yeah. So there would be nothing on the other side. Or whatever is on the other side. It's the other reality.

Jack: No, no, no, no. Well, if. Fair enough. Okay. Wow. Yeah, I guess so. Because it would literally be the flip. Instead of inside, you'd be outside. So flat Earthers, in theory, would just exist in a world that surrounds them. Gravity's flipped, and you're magneting towards the thing backwards. Right. Like, if you were to be inside the planet, but it was fully hollow, you'd be walking the walls of the planet because gravity is pulling you towards them. And you could look up and just see people on the other side.

Cristina: That's under Earth. That's what you're saying.

Jack: I would be saying that if that's what the dome is right now. Like, you can see up to the top of the dome where the sun is. This is all just inside of one bubble.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the bubble is all that there is, but on the other side of the bubble is round Earth.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Like, is it the flip like that? Not literally they're the same place, but, like, is that what would. The rules are essentially just an inverse.

Cristina: Wait. The Earth continues. The flip side of the Earth is a round Earth.

Jack: The flip side of the. Of the flat Earth is round Earth. We know this factually because that's how the discussion is had. This versus that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the question is, if flat Earth is being inside a dome, is being outside of the dome what we're doing right now? Because we're not in the dome we're outside, or the dome we're in is a different kind of dome that we call the universe. But the planet we're on is not the dome.

Cristina: It's not?

Jack: No, because we're on the planet. We're not in the planet.

Cristina: No. Yeah.

Jack: While in flat Earth, you are in the planet because the dome is the planet and the universe.

Cristina: The dome is the planet.

Jack: Everything is the planet.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Because there's only really that planet.

Cristina: Okay, that's so weird. I don't know. You said the flat earth, and then there's round Earth, though. I can't picture it.

Jack: I'm not saying that. Okay, how do I explain what I don't know. I don't get what you're not getting. Do you know what round Earth is?

Cristina: It's a round Earth. It's a ball.

Jack: Okay. Do you know what flat earth is?

Cristina: It's a pizza of Earth. I don't know. It's earth. Like a pizza pie.

Jack: In more detail, more than just the basic two dimensional explanation. Do you know what flat Earth is?

Cristina: Isn't that it?

Jack: It's the dome I'm talking about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's something flat with a freaking dome that they call the sky. And then the sun and the moon revolve around there. You're inside of the thing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're trapped in a thing?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're not trapped in a thing right now.

Cristina: No.

Jack: No. Because we're on the outside of the dome. If the Earth is the thing we're talking about, if Earth is the dome, we're on the outside of Earth. That's the dome.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: We're outside the dome. We're not inside the dome.

Cristina: We're not inside the dome because we.

Jack: Would require there to be some container over us that is part of the planet we're connecting to the planet. Like somebody added a piece or whatever the case may be, which is happening in flat Earth. Everything is inside the thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It starts at what we traditionally consider Earth and stretches up into what we consider traditionally the sky. As one thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess ultimately that's just one of the many things that could be on the other side. Just other people that they think are. That they don't realize. I mean, I guess the flat Earthers would be in the middle of the Earth. Are there humans in the middle of the Earth? And it's a dome. Somehow. Somehow the inside of Earth is a two way mirror. And like, it looks to that. They see space too, you know? Okay, they do see space, but they say they see it through our Earth, what we're standing on. They see through all of that, including us. They don't see us, they just see straight to the sky.

Cristina: You're saying the other side of the planet.

Jack: The inside of the planet.

Cristina: The inside of the planet, yes.

Jack: In a ball. Easy, easy. I'm just gonna explain it simple. If you have a ball, the other side of the ball is still outside the ball.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But if you're inside the ball, the other side of the ball is outside the ball.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Does that make sense?

Cristina: Yes. But how does it relate?

Jack: Because that's what's on the other side of the freaking thing to us. They're not on the other side. Because the other side is like Asia, but from Flat Earth. The other side is whatever's on the flip of the ground. Because everything is the point that they're in.

Cristina: Okay, I think I understand what you're saying.

Jack: Yeah. So we're on the other side of Flat Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Flat Earth isn't on the other side of us. No. Asia is. But we're on the other side of Flat Earth. Whatever. It could also be a giant turtle, I think.

Cristina: A turtle?

Jack: Or chaos, whatever that means.

Cristina: Wouldn't it just be. I don't know, like, what was I saying before? That it's just a different reality? Because if everything. If the dome is the reality of what, everything in the universe is this dome.

Jack: Right. So I guess, yes, on the other side is a different reality.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But on our Earth side, there is not a different reality. We could just go to China.

Cristina: Yes. You talk about us, you talk about Round Earth.

Jack: Round Earth, yeah.

Cristina: Yes. But they're asking about Flat Earth.

Jack: Yes, we're on the other side of Flat Earth.

Cristina: I guess. Yes. Another question is, if you could do whatever you want for one day with no punishment, what would that be?

Jack: I don't know. It's too general. It's too general like anything. Who the f*** cares then is so f****** general. There's no parameters here. Just whatever you could do, whatever for one day. Well, I'll do something.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Maybe it's so overwhelming, the choices of infinite that I could just, like, not do nothing. I'm gonna do nothing. Probably.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no punishment. I don't know. Skip work.

Jack: Yeah. Like, what the f***?

Cristina: That's so weird. Yes. It's pretty simple. I'll do that. All right. If aliens were real, how can we communicate with them?

Jack: With words.

Cristina: With words?

Jack: Yeah. I don't know. It depends. This is, again, an absurdly broad question that makes zero sense because it depends on the freaking alien, man. Maybe language makes total sense, but maybe the idea that language even exists is weird to them. And they're like, why don't you just send each other thoughts? The f***? And it's like, okay, look, there's no way to answer this question because it depends on the alien and whatever path they use to communicate. Yeah, too broad.

Cristina: The next question. Would you rather have the ability to read the minds of everyone in the world or to be able to move objects with your mind?

Jack: So boring. Move an object with my mind or read minds? Probably moving objects with my mind, yeah.

Cristina: Reading minds does not sound fun.

Jack: Moving objects is so bland, too, though.

Cristina: What Other mind power beats these powers if you had to choose something else. But it has to still be mind type of theme. I guess.

Jack: I think it's overpowered if you have the ability to create just illusions on the fly. So being able to superimpose locations and things into somebody's mind, kind of obstructing their view. Superimposing their reality, making them. They're making them think they're anywhere because they can feel it because you're in their head. And they can smell it because you're in their head. That. That's monstrously overpowered.

Cristina: That sounds horrible. That sounds like you would do that for evil. Like what kind of situation would you need that for?

Jack: I don't know. In a show called Altered Carbon, that's how they kept one of the main characters, family members, sane and without their sort of digital personality getting corrupted. It was by doing that.

Cristina: Which. What was that?

Jack: It was a little girl.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes. She's still a little messed up, right? I don't know. That's not good. That sounds very dangerous. I don't know why you're messing with someone like that. Someone's reality.

Jack: Yeah, but that's a superimposed reality in her case. And it's just a way to help her stop suffering.

Cristina: Yeah, but are you gonna be using it for that?

Jack: I suppose. Use it for that too. You'd use it for whatever. It's useless. It's a really overpowered ability.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. Maybe I'll just stick to moving objects.

Jack: What? You wouldn't have an ability outside of those two?

Cristina: Let's see. I don't know. I don't know how many super. How you could change it to other things? I don't know. Is there a superhero with that ability as their main ability?

Jack: With what ability?

Cristina: Their mind.

Jack: Jean Grey.

Cristina: It's not fire. I don't know. That's not her power. I thought it was fire.

Jack: Jean Grey is a telepath as well. And she can use her mind to break apart matter. That's the evolution of moving s***. With her mind, she can take it to the furthest extreme and break things at an atomic level.

Cristina: That's. I don't know how I could use that. That's too much.

Jack: Make reality up as you please.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Jack: I bet she can't reconstruct it. It's too hard. There's too many variables. I bet it's just taking it apart. How are you gonna build, like a person and it work and not just be some F***** up homunculus.

Cristina: That must be a horrible story if there is one of her trying to recreate someone.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That cannot end well.

Jack: No, not at all.

Cristina: Well, that's disturbing, but I can't really think of any powers. The next question. What problem do you have to solve with violence?

Jack: I like that question. What problem do you have to solve with violence? Interesting. You looking to get into something, buddy? You wanna. You're looking to shake s*** up a little fear. What needs to be solved with violence? Guy has a gun to your head for whatever reason. Survival, bro. Violence right off the bat. Whatever you can do to kill him before he kills you.

Cristina: That's really. That's really it, Man. But would you like want to be in that situation? I mean, I guess if you're this desperate for violence, that's a sucky situation to be in.

Jack: No, no. You're not trying to get into that situation. I'm just saying like that's a sit. That is a situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That you would need violence to get out of, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. It has to be that extreme or there's anything less extreme.

Jack: Is there? I don't know. You tell me.

Cristina: You can't. I don't know. I guess like if someone attacks you, do you attack them back?

Jack: Unless you're a pacifist. Unless you're pacifist.

Cristina: Self defense. I guess any type of self defense situation is. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, those are. But I. Again, we're missing the point of question. What situation do you have to.

Cristina: Self defense is have to, Right?

Jack: I guess to call it self defense you would have to. But you don't have to fight. You don't have to use self defense. Oh, you get my point. Like it's not an obligation. You could get your a** beat and just call it a day. But what situation would require violence? I mean, it has to be crazy s***. It's like beat people up or you explode. You gotta be this many people every this long or you explode. Now violence is immediately. You get my point? That's how violence is. You have to. It's the only way.

Cristina: Okay. If you don't, you explode.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The solution, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, that's just an example of like a way in which definitely you need violence. Yes, it's the only way. Violence. Because the rules are you have to be violent now just to survive.

Cristina: If anything is like you have to be violence now, then like, I'll kill your mom if you're not violent or something. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I don't. I don't think really? Nature subjects us to any moments that have to be violent.

Cristina: No.

Jack: We're fortunate creatures in that regard.

Cristina: We can be forced into it, I guess. Yeah.

Jack: Not even really. You could let them kill you there. You could kind of. There's no. There's no scenario. There's no scenario.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because you can always escape without violence or give in and still not be violent. Oh, there's no. We can't be forced to be violent.

Cristina: You don't want the gun to your head.

Jack: You can't force us to be violent. No, it's impossible.

Cristina: Okay, so there is no problem that has to be solved with violence is the answer.

Jack: Yeah, pretty much.

Cristina: Leave. Alright then. What's the creepiest thing you've seen in broad daylight?

Jack: I don't know. Creepiest thing I've seen in broad daylight. Somebody doing heroin.

Cristina: I guess. That's creepy. I don't know. I don't think I've seen many creepy things.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think there's like a lot of. I think creepy is way state of mind related.

Cristina: Yeah. There's like weird people being weird.

Jack: Yeah. But there's never like. Well, that's creepy.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like something spooky is going on. Like.

Cristina: No spooky creepy. Like is that person running? Is that person stealing those children? I don't know.

Jack: That's not creepy.

Cristina: That's not creepy. I don't know. There's nothing really creepy.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think there is anything creepy.

Cristina: What about like seeing something in the sky and you might. It might be UFO related or something.

Jack: That's not creepy. I mean, somebody might find UFOs creepy. I guess maybe insects are creepy. People find insects really creepy.

Cristina: Oh yeah, I guess. That's creepy. That's creepy.

Jack: I have seen insects in broad daylight. Oh. So fair enough. Insects. Just really creepy insects.

Cristina: Really creepy insects. Like roaches that are pretty creepy.

Jack: More like centipedes and things.

Cristina: Centipedes? Yes. That's creepy. That's horrifying. I don't like it. Centipedes are horrifying. Spiders.

Jack: Spiders too?

Cristina: Yeah. Creepy.

Jack: I don't find them creepy, but I understand.

Cristina: Well, any bug for me is creepy. Alright, so if you were a vampire but couldn't turn into bats, what other flying creatures would you turn into?

Jack: Owl. Easy.

Cristina: An owl. There's not many options. Like besides a bird, what else is there?

Jack: There's no other flying creature other than insects that flies. Are your options of birds or insects?

Cristina: Yes. Man, I would rather be a bat. That'd be so cool. Okay. No.

Jack: Bats are Whack. I way rather be an owl than a bat.

Cristina: An owl? An owl's pretty cool. I don't know. What are those? Giant scary birds. Big birds that eat dead animals or whatever.

Jack: Condors?

Cristina: Yes. I want to be that.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it's scary.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I mean, they're not suspicious. They go after things that are dead. Right. Or that's not what they do.

Jack: Yeah, they're scavengers.

Cristina: Yeah. So you least likely to suspect that bird to be a vampire?

Jack: I guess, yeah.

Cristina: What's the scariest dream you've ever had?

Jack: Dunno.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. I'm sure it's not scary. I know in dreams it's scary in the moment and then you wake up and you're like, why was that scary?

Jack: Yeah, I know that feeling. That's familiar.

Cristina: Yeah, I remember I've had dreams about like being chased by dinosaurs or something and being horrified in the dream because the dinosaur was gonna get me. Kind of like, what are those dinosaurs in that movie that. The Velociraptor. Is that what it is?

Jack: The Velociraptor?

Cristina: That's not it.

Jack: I have no. Which movie?

Cristina: I used to the only dinosaur movie. Jurassic Park.

Jack: You think that's the only dinosaur movie?

Cristina: The main dinosaur movie where the kids run from that creature.

Jack: I guess. It's a Velociraptor. Wasn't it a T. Rex? You mean the small ones?

Cristina: Yeah, the small ones.

Jack: Yeah. I think that's a Velociraptor.

Cristina: Which is still pretty big. Like it's bigger than me.

Jack: That's an incorrect size comparison. Velociraptors were like a foot tall.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Well, in my dream they're huge, but they can still squeeze through doors. I guess. I don't know. But I don't know. That's the last dream I can remember. I don't know. You don't remember anything?

Jack: Not really. I don't dream often.

Cristina: Oh, that's lame. Dreams are great. Next question is, if everyone disappeared while you were asleep, when you would. When would you realize you're the only person left on earth?

Jack: Okay, go over that again.

Cristina: If everyone disappeared while you were asleep, when would you realize you were the only person on earth?

Jack: Super instantly.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It would happen so quickly. It would be like a couple of seconds later when I like check a social and nobody is posting at all or something. People are idiots and have to post. So what's going on?

Cristina: That's the suspicious, you know, if you wouldn't check to See, like the Internet's down or something. You'd be like, no.

Jack: Yeah, it would escalate. Obviously that wasn't the question I was answering the question of when would I know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that's when I would begin the investigations. I would know from that point forward. I'd just be trying to confirm it more and more as I go forward.

Cristina: I probably wouldn't notice. I probably would walk to work, not noticing. And then I'm in the place and then it's like, no one's here.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And then go back home and then realize, it's very quiet outside, there's no one around. I don't know how long it will take. I guess I would call someone and then finally realize, oh, there's no one here. Yeah, it'll take a little while.

Jack: I guess you'd get to work without ever realizing it.

Cristina: What animal DNA would you mix with humans to make a hybrid animal as.

Jack: Smart as a human with some other creatures ability. Horse.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You want the speed, power, strength, stamina of a horse and the mind and expendable thumbs of a human.

Cristina: Does it look like a horse though?

Jack: It's gonna look like some clean fusion of both, presumably.

Cristina: I don't like it. I don't know. I would. Horse. That's a good, I guess, jellyfish.

Jack: Because.

Cristina: I don't know, because of their amazing abilities. Their. Their body. Like, what if we could move our bodies like that?

Jack: I guess. Yeah.

Cristina: Like we can't. Like if we didn't have to worry about our bones breaking, I guess. I don't know. They don't have any bones as far as I know.

Jack: Yeah. But movement is kind of restricted to water.

Cristina: What if we could breathe underwater? That'd be cool.

Jack: Yeah, that'd be a pretty good one.

Cristina: I guess. That's all I want for the abilities. Let's just be the same. But breathe under water.

Jack: That works for me. But the problem with the jellyfish ability is that if you were to one, it only works in water. And if you tried to use it outside of water and let's say it theoretically still worked, it wouldn't be like the most effective thing in the world. Like you'd squish underneath a door or something.

Cristina: Maybe like accidents wouldn't kill you. Like you get in a car accident and you survive because your body's all.

Jack: I actually think a jellyfish's body is quite sensitive. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. What if we fuse with a jelly. Oh, it has to be an animal.

Jack: What would a jelly have Been in your case.

Cristina: What?

Jack: You said jelly.

Cristina: Yeah, just a jelly.

Jack: What's jelly?

Cristina: A food. Is it a snack jelly? I don't know. Do you don't know what jelly is? Like the thing in your donut?

Jack: Like jellyfish jelly?

Cristina: Just jelly. Just jelly. We put humans and jelly together, but.

Jack: Jelly isn't like a thing of its own. You make jelly based on a thing. It's not just like objectively jelly. There must be something that is a jelly of.

Cristina: Okay, strawberry jelly.

Jack: Yeah, that makes way more sense.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know what should probably some animal that can see in the dark.

Jack: Like an owl.

Cristina: Like an owl, yes. Human and an owls get that nighttime vision, I guess. And maybe wings.

Jack: Crap ton of animals have that nighttime vision. It is very common for anything that actually hunts at night or even just moves at night.

Cristina: But we don't have that ability.

Jack: No.

Cristina: I don't know why we would need it. But it might be useful. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it could be.

Cristina: And now the next question. What is the worst event to show up drunk to your wedding? Your a funeral.

Jack: I said your funeral.

Cristina: Your funeral.

Jack: Funeral is a good one. Funeral is a good one.

Cristina: A hearing like showing up to court drunk, that would probably be a problem.

Jack: Yeah, that's pretty bad. But it's way less bad than funeral.

Cristina: If you're a doctor doing surgery.

Jack: That's pretty bad.

Cristina: Yeah, that's pretty bad.

Jack: Doctor doing surgery, stopping a fire.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Nine, 11. You were one of the guys who hijacked the planes.

Cristina: If you try to hijack the plane drunk.

Jack: Well, maybe that's what happened to the plane that slammed into the field. Oh, that guy showed up to work drunk. Everybody else executed. But this dumbass decided to not be sober. And he couldn't blow it up the right way.

Cristina: Oh, or he couldn't fly the plane the right way.

Jack: Or they overthrew him. Oh, that's the one where the people rebelled or whatever.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And they only took over because he was dumb. He was super drunk. He's scared. He's like, I'm scared to die. I'm gonna drink a bunch and get ready. And then they tricked him.

Cristina: So that's a bad thing or a good thing? I mean like in the end of the day for him, it doesn't really matter if he had drank or not. Like he'd still be dead. Yeah.

Jack: It's just objectively a bad place to show up drunk.

Cristina: Yeah. The next question is, what is the scariest animal on the planet? Humans. No. Okay, humans.

Jack: Probably that old School fish that has like a f***** up face and looks like some sort of demon dinosaur hybrid.

Cristina: Like that lives in the deep dark water.

Jack: Looks like a freak of nature.

Cristina: Yeah. Insects. Insects are horrible.

Jack: Those aren't an animals right there.

Cristina: Those are animals.

Jack: Are they?

Cristina: They can't count. But then you're counting fish.

Jack: That's an animal, isn't it?

Cristina: But insects are not animals.

Jack: They're insects.

Cristina: Oh. What?

Jack: Fish are a type of animal. Insect is a class of fiction. Like animal. Does that make sense?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Insect is the umbrella that encompasses ants, spiders, centipedes.

Cristina: Spiders are under that.

Jack: They're arachnids. Really? But which is a whole other thing. That is not an insect or a mammal or animal. Yeah, it's a whole other thing. It's an arachnid.

Cristina: What's the scariest? I don't know. There's a lot of animals that are scary though. A pig. Have you seen pigs? Pigs are pretty scary.

Jack: Just not the scariest animal on the planet. That's not even like the conversation.

Cristina: They're so pretty. Bears are scary. Moose huge. Those things are huge and scary. Almost any animal. Any animal bigger than us is probably scary. The scariest. You think that fish you said?

Jack: Yeah. It looks pretty horrifying.

Cristina: I guess. Scary. And a wasp doesn't count because that's the scariest. But you're not counting that. But you wouldn't be scared of a bear.

Jack: I would. Just not as scared as I would be of that other thing that doesn't look like a natural creature.

Cristina: Alright. What jobs do you believe are immune to extinction due to technology?

Jack: To which jobs can't be replaced by robots.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Any kind of moral decision that requires nuanced understanding of the decision to make a really good moral. Like you couldn't be a judge and be a robot. There's too. There's too much black and white s*** going on. And like you need way more understanding.

Cristina: I don't see one robot becoming a comedian anytime soon. That's probably not something it.

Jack: Here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's the problem. It could definitely be. Well, no, I guess it couldn't. Because it would have to be relatable and surprising. Yeah, that's the trick. You have to accomplish both in one shot.

Cristina: Could it do that?

Jack: Its concept of relatable is just a bunch of s*** that's similar to it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it'll never understand in such a way that can make somebody who's experienced it laugh out loud. Particularly hard. It would be very like ones and Zeros kind of comedy. It would seem. Even if not predictable. It would seem soulless. Almost predictable.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Even if it's not.

Cristina: So then acting. Probably not either.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because it wouldn't suck you into the. Like, it wouldn't. You. It wouldn't be that believable. Like if. Like in a drama or something.

Jack: If it was like a voice actor in it, I suppose.

Cristina: A voice actor?

Jack: Wait, how do you mean?

Cristina: Like just any type of drama, would it be able to do that?

Jack: Well, it depends. What? Because the voice is all that you'd be. You're looking for an actor.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Right. So it depends on what they're doing in the role. Right. They could be acting a robot and then that is a perfect role. I don't know. Circumstantial in that case.

Cristina: Like a drama movie. I don't know. Like, what's a really good movie? Brokeback Mountain, played by robots. Would you be sucked in?

Jack: Probably not. No.

Cristina: Or the. What's that movie with Wilson?

Jack: Castaway.

Cristina: Castaway.

Jack: That wouldn't work. No, that wouldn't work.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. No, that wouldn't work, though. Definitely. That's a situation.

Cristina: Okay. If reincarnation was real. But you can't pick to be born as a human again. What animal do you pick?

Jack: I wonder how they come up with these questions. Man. They straight up kill me. What animal would you be if you.

Cristina: What if you can reincarnate as anything in. You can't be human again.

Jack: But you get to choose, I guess. Okay. I don't know. Something that lives. An elephant.

Cristina: An elephant, I guess.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: Aren't they going extinct? Is there animal that's. I'll be rat. No, that sounds live for like 2 years.

Jack: Link out again.

Cristina: No. A cat.

Jack: That works. I guess. That works.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Check us out.

Cristina: Yeah. And you?

Jack: I don't know. Like, it's such a crap situation to be in. I gotta be some other. Okay, I. An elephant, I said. I guess.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Should we normalize men wearing skirts?

Jack: I don't know. Do you think so?

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: Sure. Why not?

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes. What a tough question. Is masturbation innate in humans or learned?

Jack: I guess it would happen by default because curiosity. So. Yeah, it's natural. You don't have to teach somebody so that they could eventually touch themselves and be like, yeah, cool.

Cristina: Eventually they'll touch themselves.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess just curiosity would lead in there.

Cristina: The next question is, what can't you find cute? No matter how hard you try? Babies isn't that your answer?

Jack: Sure, I guess. Babies, man. Here's, here's what's truly impressive. The astounding like lack of creativity, which like these are clearly the tossaways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So obviously like the, the people would know, like there's nothing going on back there and you know there's nothing going on. They were like, if it's, oh my God, it's this or that. That's really like how most people think there's nothing else going on. Like or dislike the end and. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is a lot of that. These questions. I understand why they throw away. Yeah, I understand what they throw away. We should probably end doing these at some point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Flush them down. Yeah, just next time we just flush them. Yeah, f*** them. They're not making it for a reason.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Let's assume that that reason holds up.

Cristina: Yes. And the next question is though, what movie would be ten times better if you added dinosaurs? Tectonic, I don't know, Snakes on a plane. You can't think of any questions, any movies.

Jack: Those are both flawed examples because you can only put like the smallest possible dinosaur and nothing else because most of the dinosaurs would sink everything mentioned or destroy it.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: It's horrible. It's like these really bad questions. These really bad questions. There's not a lot of thinking power behind them. Although there are some slightly better ones that we can get to that are also backed up. And aren't these toss away garbage ones?

Cristina: Alright, if you ate an animal with cancer, how would that affect you? Would you get cancer?

Jack: That's really good. Really good question. Okay, I don't know because like the way the cancer works is a cell that's been cancered replicates more cancer cells instead of healthy cells. So in theory, in theory, if you were to eat meat, depending how like digestion works, you think, and if like any of that cell gets incorporated into your body because like what happens to it? Everything just goes to your body and you don't take anything out of it. No, something has to be taken.

Cristina: When you eat it, it's dead. So is the cancer dead?

Jack: Like would that cancer was never live.

Cristina: It was never alive? Oh, I don't know. Can you get cancer from eating cancer?

Jack: I don't know. That's the question, right? That is literally the question. So I don't know. That's probably a real science answer to that question.

Cristina: The next question is, was the invention of steel an accident?

Jack: The invention of steel? I don't, I know. Maybe. I don't know what the H***, the invention of. I know. Steel is invented. It's not natural. We made steel.

Cristina: How?

Jack: I'm not sure. Well, Minecraft taught us that you can. You can heat. You can heat iron and you get steel or you find steel. No, I think you make steel. I'm pretty sure you make steel. I think you take an iron ingot and then you melt the iron ingot. No, you get an iron ore. You melt that to get the pure iron. Iron, yeah. And how the f*** do you get to steal them? I suppose you need the iron to get the steel. But steel is just something that's there. No, it doesn't make sense check out because we have to make steel.

Cristina: But you're thinking of Minecraft.

Jack: Yeah, I was thinking maybe Minecraft had the answer, but. No, it doesn't. But I'm sure it involves heating up iron somehow. That's for sure. Or I guess maybe using. Maybe steel is created from many iron. From what many iron. You put many iron together to get steel because it's harder, so it must. Must be denser. Maybe iron has pockets of air that are tiny, but steel does not because you melt away the pockets of air, thus making it tighter. It's more uniform.

Cristina: And iron is something you find not make like steel.

Jack: Yeah, iron is just made naturally.

Cristina: Okay, next question is can you eat poisonous animals like skunk? That's their example. Skunks, cobras, frogs.

Jack: Interesting, right? So is. I'm confused why a skunk is here. A skunk is poisonous, I guess I.

Cristina: Not poisonous, but I'm guessing they're talking about like that smell that it has. Like would that come out while you're eating it or something? I don't know, like how that would affect you.

Jack: I wonder if people eat skunk. Wow. So yeah, people are in fact eating skunks to have eaten skunks. Humans eat skunk. That's crazy. But I guess we eat everything. Everybody eats something, right? Yeah, everything is eaten by something.

Cristina: But can you eat something poisonous like a skunk? Doesn't count. I mean, we could rip out whatever it is that makes the skunk. I mean, we could do that with any of it, right? Like even if it there's a poisonous animal, just rip out.

Jack: There's literally poisonous fish we eat. Oh, that's famously done. You know, some people get sick from it if it's cooked improperly. But you can have poisoned fish.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So I guess, yeah, the answer is.

Cristina: Yes, we could probably eat it. Are there rabbits in the desert?

Jack: Maybe? Good question, Craptons.

Cristina: Yes, rabbits can survive Deserts, rabbits can survive anywhere.

Jack: It seems clear that rabbits and roaches inherit the earth.

Cristina: And roaches. Yeah, rabbits and roaches.

Jack: Yeah. There's rabbits in a hole that'll survive the nuclear explosions.

Cristina: No way. Yeah, I don't know. I think just roaches.

Jack: Rabbits that are already in a hole.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. The next question is, was the state of Nevada owned by a Latino or Spanish country before the United States?

Jack: Nevada. Latino. Right. It has to be. We're going to assume that Nevada was also part of Mexico.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like most of the west coast, right? Yep. Checks out.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Part of Mexico. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense because of the name. It's Nevada, which means snow.

Cristina: That's what it means.

Jack: Yeah. It means snow in Spanish.

Cristina: I wonder if there's like a map of the states that were controlled by Spain before.

Jack: There probably is.

Cristina: Where are the non alpha lions?

Jack: That's a clever question. Where are the non alpha lions? So the non alpha lions are. I don't know. Okay, so what's the logic of the question? Where are the non alpha lions? There is an alpha lion and all the females surround the alpha lion. The other alpha lions don't get to plow the females because they're not the alpha.

Cristina: You said the other alpha lions do not.

Jack: I mean. Yeah, the other lions.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Are not alpha lions. So they don't get to plow all the female lions, but they're there somewhere.

Cristina: They're surviving. Right. He didn't kill them off, did he? I don't think so.

Jack: I guess their job is to protect the alpha lion and the females that the alpha lion plows, I guess because.

Cristina: He can't, like, he can't murder them.

Jack: That's not beneficial to anybody.

Cristina: Yeah, there's gotta be non alpha lions. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So they're hidden amongst the other lions then.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. How did Hawaiian natives arrive?

Jack: We looked this up. This is very old conversation. And bravo to anybody who, I guess specifically who paid enough attention to realize that we actually know the answer to this. And you're so smart individual who. I don't know how you piece it together, but. So there's an island somewhere way south of southwest. If we put Hawaii in the middle. Right. So for. Why is our center southwest of Hawaii? There was an island with some people there and their island, the food, all dried up. It was. It was just producing nothing there. There was an overpopulation problem. They couldn't get crops, so a lot of people were just abandoning ship. And they're like, screw the island. But they had nowhere else to go. And they would just once they just went wherever. It's better than dying on the island without hope. So some groups of people got a bunch of different sized canoes and just went out to sea and they were planting food on the canoes and crap, and who knows how long they were and in the ocean, for God, somehow found Hawaii. They traveled thousands of miles. Maybe not thousands. Hundreds, maybe. It could have been thousands. I think it was thousands, really. On canoes. There was no way they could have known where they were going. They just kind of got stolen by the current and landed in Hawaii. And that's how Hawaii happened. Just some random people landed there without knowing they were gonna land there.

Cristina: Just random luck.

Jack: Yep. Well, a bunch of them died.

Cristina: Well, the people who survived, lucky. The next question is black hole versus white hole.

Jack: There's combat or something. Black hole versus white hole. What's the idea here? One is infinite in, the other one is infinite out. If you were to place one perfectly in front of the other one, and this one is shooting an infinite amount of material at an infinite speed. This one is consuming an infinite amount of material at an infinite speed. Will there be buildup in the middle or will it be cleaned out? Who's going to win first? It depends on the size, I suppose.

Cristina: But if they're the same size. Same size like mass?

Jack: If they're the same mass or density.

Cristina: Whichever one, whatever, it's a tie.

Jack: I don't know. That's the question. I suppose it could be. But would it be like maybe not?

Cristina: Maybe not? I don't know. What do you imagine?

Jack: Well, the question is, would they be sucking in at the same rate? It would like one be pushing and the other one sucking at the same rate, or is there a difference between them Regardless of them being the same mass, and as a result there is some sort of difference in which maybe the white hole is too fast for the black hole and there's too much matter spilling out, or the black hole is too fast for the white hole and there's no matter being left.

Cristina: I guess that could either.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. That would really be how? If we could figure that out, then we can answer that question.

Cristina: So the answer is no answer.

Jack: Maybe.

Cristina: Maybe. Well, the next question is, at what point in time did humans become the cancer of earth?

Jack: Industrial revolution power. Once we had the ability to control massive amounts of power, which happened as soon as industrial technology came along. And we could build entire cities in moments.

Cristina: And destroy the water and the sky.

Jack: Yep. Pollute everything.

Cristina: Turning.

Jack: Rotting Everything. Yes, rotting everything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As soon as that happened, pollution's doorways opened and earth began to die.

Cristina: Yep. And now it's trying to kill us. Or it's dying.

Jack: It's taking medicine.

Cristina: Taking medicine.

Jack: Anyways, running out of time. But I hope the first couple of you who had totally awful questions never send anymore. And then the rest of you who had more interesting questions keep sending in interesting questions. But don't be like those other people.

Cristina: Don't be like those other people.

Jack: Those other people just, like, don't believe in books or something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Terrible people. Terrible people. Look, if you want other episodes where we have questions being asked that you can listen to the answers of, and they weren't as bad as the ones in this episode because people cared more. The questions that made the cut. If you want to hear the questions that did make the cut, you can find us on socials and maybe there's clips. Right. But. But those socials are alluscomville pod, which are Facebook and Twitter and Instagram.

Cristina: Yes. So remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yes. Word of mouth is extremely powerful. So tell people about the program and perhaps so they'll listen and realize they'll come to the conclusion that they need to send questions to make up the difference for all the bad ones.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Yeah, well, Adam Sandler is just doing voices and I don't know.

Jack: No Steve Martin probably had original work. I doubt that. He was like, all just beating down things.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: But like, he's the natural evolution of like clowns hitting each other with pies.

Cristina: Right, Exactly. Yeah, he's. That's like.

Jack: He's that. But elegant.

Cristina: Yeah. You know, like you've seen these things before. It's just new and funny because it's a new version of it.

Jack: Relatable or whatever.

Cristina: Refreshing refresh.

Jack: Like instead of the old school pie in phase, it would be like everyone.

Cristina: Copies a pie on one person's face.

Jack: What? Yes, I guess I would think that.

Cristina: Was that movie with the airplane. He was not in that movie, was he?

Jack: But there's like a. No, there's a point to why he's doing it. Right. There's. There is a narrative being told to the actions. Right. Let's say you did do a bunch of people hitting one guy in the face with a pie. There's a societal message about a bunch of people attacking one guy about this whole, you know, whoever's the focus is probably going to be attacked by the rest of us, regardless of what the case might be. And that's sort of how reality looks. But also, his comedy is deep and profound because it's making commentary on these things. Like the video for this Is America. You know, it's just a bunch of things happening, and you're getting information that kind of tells you the narrative. So the slapstick comedy should, in theory.

Cristina: Be the same, I guess. I don't see it. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 30, 2022

Rambling 186: Blair Witch Project Dissected

July 30, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is it worse to hear something horrible you don’t see or worse to see the horrible thing but not be able to tell what it is? Would we rather see the Blair Witch? And which of the documentary interviewees was the witch hidden in plain sight? The duo unpack fear and attempt to uncover the true culprit behind The Blair Witch: Missing Persons case.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

What is Scarier?
Known vs Unknown
Witches
The Blair Witch Project
Terrible Team Leader, Chad
What is the Witch?
How is the witch doing it?
Who is the Witch?
Suspect: 1, 2 & 3 https://youtu.be/ntgrRUML2ic
Suspect: Fishermen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JG9jHXHRWMI
Suspect: Crazy Mary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HVFC2RXcdE

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And right now, we were just taught before, and I was just like, we gotta stop and talk about this on the mic. But we're talking about if there's a creepy creature or something. Something. Right. You're in an alley.

Cristina: I thought you were in a room. Now you're in a alley.

Jack: Well, no, I'm assuming there's a point. Yeah, it's the corner of something. So let's say there's a hallway. Middle ground. Right. There's a hallway. And I guess the middle ground of a room in an alley is a hallway, right?

Cristina: Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Ye.

Jack: So we're in a hallway and there is. The hallway goes. You're in the spot with light or. No, never mind. You're in the middle. There's a middle point. Right behind you there's light. And in front of you there's darkness. And you're just in between those two points of wherever the darkness is so pure you can't see anything. And the light is. You're right in the center and towards the deep end, the dark. You hear the following sound.

Cristina: Okay, my dog is just sick.

Jack: Yeah. I don't even know, man.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So you hear that? The question is, what is scarier if you see some shadowy figure, an outline, something, or nothing at all.

Cristina: You think nothing at all. But I think shadowy figure. Definitely.

Jack: I think shadowy figure. My argument is that I think shadowy figure steals a little from the mystery of how horrible what it is could really be.

Cristina: Yes. But if you don't see anything, you could say that it's anything. You could say, oh, yeah, it's a dog or something outside that's making that sound.

Jack: Yeah. Okay, fair enough. Fair enough. Because they get that argument if you immediately saw something that wasn't a dog.

Cristina: Yeah. Or if you see anything, you're like, oh, my gosh. Like just a shadow, like a flash or anything. Like just anything. Because if you know your dog's not there, but you see something there, but even if you don't know what it is, you just know it's a thing and it's there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You'd be horrified.

Jack: Now, if you saw a dog's body or something that looks like the shape of a dog, you're immediately Less scared?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because you're not scared anymore. You know there's a dog that went there hiding.

Cristina: No, I guess you'd still be scared if you don't have a dog.

Jack: You'd be scared if this hallway is in your home. Where's this hallway? Okay, we got a. Fair enough, fair enough, fair enough. We have to position this. It has to be in your home. There's a hallway. What?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: How is this such a long hallway in your home?

Cristina: You're in a mansion.

Jack: Okay, Whatever. You do happen to have a house that. Instead of first floor, second floor.

Cristina: Yeah, there's a second floor. The stairway. You're trying to get to the stairway. It's, like, on the side.

Jack: No, this has to be too far because he's plunged into darkness. How weird that there's just enough distance between the light and the end point of this hallway. That is totally.

Cristina: Because there's no windows in the hallway, and the light's coming from the bathroom behind him.

Jack: So, I mean, I guess proximity changes here. This is way more horrifying. I was thinking about this way farther away, but you're thinking about this way up, closer. So in this. Because I'm thinking again. I said alley. Yeah, I said a hallway. Think of the large distances we're talking. When you heard hallway, you thought house. I was thinking like, a school hallway.

Cristina: Because if it's far away, like, are you gonna be scared? Like. Because then that's also, like, oh, maybe something outside, or maybe I imagined, you know?

Jack: No, you know, factually, it's hap. Well, it's still happening. You know, factually, it's happening in front of you. There's no question about that. The question is because we have to remove all doubt for everything else. Yeah, because the only thing we're trying to answer.

Cristina: That's why it has to be a smaller hallway. Because if it's too long, you could just say it's something somewhere else.

Jack: No, you know, it's still in front of you.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: You just know. This is the point where you'll be.

Cristina: Like, it's my imagination. I don't know.

Jack: No, because, look, the only question we're trying to answer, thus, everything else needs to be just, like, going smooth. All other variables move smoothly. The only question is, is it scary to see something or not?

Cristina: It's scary to see something. I still think yes.

Jack: But the other information we're talking about can't be changed because those aren't relevant variables. They need to be frozen so we don't have to consider Them.

Cristina: So we have to imagine this in a very long hallway.

Jack: No, we have to imagine this. I'm saying that there's no, like, flexibility here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Like, you did hear this thing.

Jack: Yes. You know this thing is in front of you. There's no doubt in your mind, you know? You know this is in front of you. You're not. Notice might be in front of me. No. You know, there's no doubt. Somehow, you know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: How. Who cares? You know it's in front of you.

Cristina: How do you know it's not the house making the sound?

Jack: Because, you know whatever it is is in front of you, whatever the case.

Cristina: Might be, that if you just hear it. That's why I'm saying if you just hear a creepy sound, how do you know it's a thing in front of you if you don't see the thing? Like, how could you not just pretend that, oh, maybe it's the house?

Jack: Okay, now I see where you're going with this. I thought you were saying, like, you truly believe because. No, you. You see, you. You know. You know, you hear the direction clearly. Is the spot in front of you. You have no doubt that you can hear the sound.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Directionally, where it's coming from. But, yes. You're at this point saying going into a blind denial could easily take place.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Like, yeah, I'm definitely not hearing this. Or it's totally explainable because, like, rationalizing it.

Cristina: Exactly. Exactly. Or it could. Like, he's, like, in this hallway, there's doors to other rooms. Right. Like, you could imagine. Like, maybe it's. Oh, something. Maybe something happened in one of those rooms. Maybe it's a TV in one of those room or something. Are you all alone?

Jack: No. You know that it's not anything. No, no, no. Again, additional variables. These are not. These are not problems. We don't have these problems because this.

Cristina: Is just a hallway with nothing else happening.

Jack: Yes. Or even if there is a million other things happening, you know, without a doubt, this is the only thing we have to consider. You know, without a doubt, that the sound is coming from something directly in front of you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If it was a tv, you would. If there was a tv, you would know it's not the tv. You would know there's something else in front of you. Factually, you know what it is.

Cristina: You have a phone, and you turn on the camera.

Jack: Well, you can't see it. That's the point.

Cristina: You have the flash on. You could see it hopefully.

Jack: No, no. The point is you can't see it.

Cristina: But you wouldn't try to see it.

Jack: Yes. And you still wouldn't see it. Of course you would try. The point is, you don't see it.

Cristina: Because then if you don't see it at all, even if you turn on the light in the hallway. Because there's lights. Unless there's a reason why there's no lights in the hallway either. But if you just turn on the lights and there's nothing there but you know the sound is from there, like, then you just pretend it didn't happen.

Jack: Right, Right. Right. Okay. Okay, listen to me. There's something in front of you.

Cristina: Yes. It's just a sound.

Jack: Yes. There's a sound in front of you.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You don't know what's in front of you, but you know that it is in front of you. Whatever's making the sound.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is it scarier to see it or not? Not see yet, but see something or see nothing. Nothing else to consider other than what our states of mind are relative to this current information. Everything else ceases to matter.

Cristina: Okay. Just the moment it happens. Not like what you're gonna do afterwards, because, like, if you do turn off the light, it doesn't matter because you're not. It is just the very moment you hear the sound. Are you scared or not? Or what would be worse?

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: Nothing more than that.

Jack: What's scarier? Yes, if that's. That's the debate we're trying to have. You claim that it is seeing something.

Cristina: Yes. Anything.

Jack: Anything. Because that assures you that there's something in front of you. Yes, but I'm telling you that that's not something to worry about, because you know there's in front of you. No matter which one of these options there is.

Cristina: You. But you don't know. You don't really know. You just know you heard something for sure. That's all. You know you heard something in front of you, but that doesn't mean anything.

Jack: Okay. Better. Better Imma solve your problem.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. This is almost all your problem. You have the Elon Musk neural link installed, right?

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Yes. In this reality. Making that, for whatever reason, this chip is gonna work. I know it will, but my original explanation doesn't. Even if I designed the rules of the universe. But we're gonna plug that hole up with tech. Okay, so you have the Elon Musk neurotyp installed in your brain.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you? We're living just far enough in the future. There's a hacker somewhere, and this hacker has the Ability to modify these things illegally because Elon Musk doesn't like it. He shows up personally at your house and just complains if you do it. And nobody wants that. They want Elon Musk happy. But people want mods because.

Cristina: Okay, so I'm getting a mod.

Jack: Yeah, you went and you got a mod, and the mod is just a cool detector mod. For whatever reason, you totally, totally doubt things that happen in the dark. A crazy medical condition you were born with as a child, then that proves.

Cristina: You need to see something.

Jack: Yeah, no, totally, totally gonna explain this away right now, though, because you have, in response to this terrible medical condition, gotten a specific mod that allows you, through your eyes to you through your eyes sensor is happening now. You don't see what's in front of you, but there are detectors that will then feed feedback into your. Into your head and will say, there's something in front of you.

Cristina: Exactly. So that proves that you need something.

Jack: No. Okay, that's perfectly fine. But you didn't see says it tells you there's something in front of you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And you're like, cool, there's something in front of me that's making that sound. It didn't say a person. It would have said a person if it was a person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Horrifying. It said, there's something you've never heard.

Cristina: It said something to say that that's perfectly fine.

Jack: That's okay. That's totally fine. So now we're both on board. Right? So we've. We've made it over the hurdle.

Cristina: I still think that proves my point that you need something to know.

Jack: Well, we were. The question was didn't. Whether you needed something. The question was whether it was scarier to see it or see nothing. Hearing about it was not a problem.

Cristina: Very similar to.

Jack: I used hearing to work away a problem that did not need to exist. But now we're back to the original problem, you know, factually, which was I was saying that the whole time, but I led. I walked you there. Now you factually know. And the computer that has always in faith told you, oh, there's a person standing in the dark. Don't be scared. And you just walk. Oh, I see them now. And you walk by. And then sometimes you're like, your thing is like, oh, Bob's home. You know, you're married to Bob, Bob everywhere lately, but you're married to Bob and you're getting home as a Bob's home. Don't be scared. It's not a thief in the house. Yeah, okay, okay. Yeah, my trusty mod that I got. And Elon Musk would be super p***** and yell at me if he knew I had it, but I must do illegal modding to my neuralink and see people because I'm scared of the dark. It's horrifying.

Cristina: Only because you can't. Like, if you didn't have it, though, if you just heard a sound, it doesn't matter where it comes from, it's just a sound.

Jack: Yeah, but the argument wasn't what happened, that you need something, it was that you need a visual, specifically, which point is scarier. So now you know, without a doubt, Without a doubt, there's something in front.

Cristina: Of you, without a doubt, that's already scary. You don't need to see or hear anything.

Jack: The question is now, in this scenario that we've made it this far into, you heard the thing and the computer's like, there's something in front of you. You've never heard it say that? It would usually point out what's in front of you. Yes, there's something in front of you. What? Something. What a weird thing to say. And then you hear, oh, okay. Would it be scarier to see what it is that. See an outliner?

Cristina: It doesn't matter. Now, once it says that, no, no.

Jack: No, it's still horrifying. Which scenario is more horrifying? It's a question.

Cristina: They're both equally horrifying.

Jack: Impossible. One of these has to be, says.

Cristina: There'S something in front of you. After you hear that thing, you're pretty horrified.

Jack: Yes. Which one of these is pretty horrifying beyond the decimal.003 or the decimal 004? You know when you go so far granular, just to be like, well, statistically, this one, because of that, which one of these has the edge up?

Cristina: That's hard as h***. I don't know. They're both horrifying.

Jack: See something, See nothing.

Cristina: Mm If you have something telling you, it's just. It's both. I don't know. What would you find more scary? Just nothing.

Jack: I think more scary would be to see nothing.

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Because you're allowing your imagination to do all the work.

Cristina: Yes, but if you saw a glimpse of something, your imagination is still doing all the work.

Jack: It's doing a lot of work, but it has something to work with which would take away from what it could possibly do within. With an empty canvas.

Cristina: Yeah. Mmm.

Jack: Now, I also guess it depends on the personality, how you would ultimately react to this.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because what if you're a person who's normally very rational, like you said, just stands there and just like, well, it could be this.

Cristina: But if the thing told you, yeah, you're already.

Jack: You know, you're totally right because you know there's something in front of you. But see, now you would just think it's glitching out.

Cristina: Would you?

Jack: Would you? Glitching out and like. Well, the something is a dog. And for whatever reason, it said something instead of dog. What? Weird.

Cristina: Maybe that's possible, actually. That's possible.

Jack: Yeah. So even my solution was still a problem. You could still manage to doubt your way out of it?

Cristina: Yes, yes. I don't know. Because, yeah, you could explain it no matter what. I don't know.

Jack: Rational enough.

Cristina: Unless you saw something. Then you would be like, oh, my gosh, maybe there is something there. So there you go. There you go.

Jack: Well, you'd try to rationalize. Based on this logic, you'd still try to rationalize even what you saw.

Cristina: I think you'd be more horrified because you did see something. Well, even if you try to rationalize, I don't know, it's just.

Jack: Well, at this point. At this point. Here's the problem. Here's a problem. I think, I think that it would be way more horrifying with a visual in this specific instance, because if you don't see anything and you doubt your way out of there being something, you're a person who already questions s***. So would you doubt your doubt because there was never confirmation and thus this is. You're gonna be more horrified about the potentiality, you know?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: As opposed to somebody who truly believes it and immediately jumps into action. I gotta survive. Okay, you're the passive. Like, should I worry?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That lingering, slower scary.

Cristina: That is scary. Mmm. Yeah.

Jack: But it isn't such an end. It's sort of a long term scary as opposed to a powerful short term scary.

Cristina: Or you just turn on the lights.

Jack: Impossible lights just don't turn on.

Cristina: That was just about the moment. Because after the moment anything could happen.

Jack: So we're saying we're gonna find out what this thing is?

Cristina: No, no, we're not gonna find out. I'm just saying, like, the person that's in this experience could find out if they were brave enough. But I'm imagining because we're stopping before that moment, we won't know what it is. Doesn't matter.

Jack: Okay. Okay. Was the Blair Witch Movie scary?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Because you didn't get to see it, right? Is that why you're saying that it's scarier to not see the witch than to see the witch.

Jack: Well, what do you think did you find? Did you find the Blair Witch scary? Like, legitimately?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I saw it mad late.

Jack: Oh, you saw mad. Well, it doesn't matter when you see. Whenever you saw it. So you saw the Blair Witch, you saw it mad late, but you. You didn't find it scary?

Cristina: No, because I didn't get it. Like, if it was one of those people that sign when they were saying, oh, it's a true story and whatever, then maybe. Yeah, that would be horrifying.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Anything based on a true story that's scary would be scary.

Jack: Right? Right. So it's only not scary because you know it's not real. But that same set of rules without you ever seeing something, but it's actually. You're one of those people, are you? Like, well, they're all panicking like a bunch of jackasses. Obviously, there's just trolls out there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or are you gonna be like, well, this is kind of f***** up. This is weird, and I'm getting paranoid.

Cristina: Wait, like, if I saw that. Not.

Jack: You were. You were there with them, are you just gonna be in your head like, well, no, they're f****** idiots. Or you're gonna be like, holy s***.

Cristina: I'd be freaking out if I was one of them. Yeah, I'd be freaking out.

Jack: And you've never.

Cristina: That one guy with the map that doesn't want to show anyone that he's lost. That guy.

Jack: No. Let's be real. Okay? Time to be me. Let's fix this film, bro.

Cristina: Okay? Because I would murder that.

Jack: I would f****** kill that guy.

Cristina: Dude, I rip the map out of his hand.

Jack: No. No, f*** that guy. He's already crazy enough to think it makes perfect sense to hoard that when four minds are way the f*** better than one. F*** that guy. He's a danger to survival. We're working Apocalypse rules right now, bro. Give it to me out of the kindness in your heart, or I have to kill you because I believe you are not rational enough to not retaliate for me taking the map from you.

Cristina: But if it's like the first moment where he's like. Like the first day that you're lost, you wouldn't go straight to the zero to 60.

Jack: Boom.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, wouldn't it be, like, a few days in and you're like, okay, now it's got to be life or death. You give me that.

Jack: Fair enough. Fair enough. There's like, a grace period.

Cristina: Yeah. So I feel like the first Day. If he doesn't give it to you, then maybe you try to, like, convince him to give it to you. Or you just. Why didn't anyone just steal the map?

Jack: I don't.

Cristina: Like, they did, like, madly and then realized, oh, crap, we're lost.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know what the f*** that was a very weird. Like, that would not have happened, bro. I. I would have. I could know. Dude, give it to us. Or you give it to us. Like, the end. There's no argument. There's no debate. You start running for a guy in.

Cristina: The group, I'm guessing, like, no one would want to mess with him for some reason.

Jack: And having your neck snapped at that moment sucks.

Cristina: No, I meant, like, he's got to sleep eventually. I don't know. I wasn't planning on. What is it? Breaking his neck?

Jack: Snap in his neck, Stealing the map while he sleeves, and then what? He's already the bigger, better guy. We're a bunch of sissies.

Cristina: According to this law, we run away.

Jack: You.

Cristina: If we can read the map. Now that we have the map, let's just go.

Jack: Where are you running to? You got to go somewhere where you could read the map, but it's the middle of the night and you're already running away from.

Cristina: We got flashlights. I'm assuming you just got to get.

Jack: Far enough, but you don't know where you're going and everywhere. We don't have to. Where you are.

Cristina: We don't run away at that moment. He's sleeping. He's not gonna wake up and then look for us, right? We're just gonna stand there in the cab, right by the fireplace, decide where we're gonna go, and then just go. He's asleep.

Jack: Okay?

Cristina: It's not like the moment I take the map, he wakes up, he's in a video game.

Jack: He's eventually gonna wake up, though.

Cristina: Yeah, we still have time. I'm assuming he's gonna wake up in the morning.

Jack: Why would he not wake up? When you're talking by the fire, we're whispering. No, it's gonna. Something's gonna wake him up. That's always the case here. Like, you're being. There's no way you're just over there in the camp. Why is it survival? I don't know.

Cristina: It's not survival. Why would he be suspicious? We're just hanging out by the camp.

Jack: Where are we?

Cristina: In the forest?

Jack: Why are we in the forest and why is there a camp?

Cristina: Because we're investigating Bloody Mary or whatever, the witches.

Jack: What was the Plot of this. I totally lost my train of thought.

Cristina: The movie.

Jack: Oh, wait, yeah.

Cristina: Blair Witch. That's her name.

Jack: Yeah, Blair Witch. So she's investigating Blair Witch. Right.

Cristina: So we decided we're gonna hang out in the forest to find her, but. And then our leader got lost and.

Jack: Decided to steal the map. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we gotta. Yeah, yeah. So we don't. Look, we have. We don't have to kill the guy.

Cristina: We just steal the map.

Jack: But because we're talking there by the. He's like, what the f***? Come on. He's gonna wake up.

Cristina: We just pretend we're hanging out.

Jack: But we can't. We need the map in order to discuss it. That's the problem.

Cristina: We have the map.

Jack: Yes. We hide it until when? He's gonna get up and eventually know the map is gone.

Cristina: Do we have phones with cameras at this timeline? I don't know how long ago. This is. Like, we could just take a picture of the map.

Jack: No, this is.

Cristina: I know. We can't Google it. I don't. I doubt that was a thing.

Jack: No, no, no. They didn't have pictures.

Cristina: They had cameras. Right. What if they videotape the map and then, like, zoom into the videotape and then when he wakes up, we're like, oh, we're just looking through what we recorded already or whatever.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And discussing, like, how we can.

Jack: They can actually leave the map with him and use. But that's dangerous because that'll eventually run out. But when that happens, you steal the real maps or whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, at that point, you're so familiar with the map, you just like, let me jack that s*** and keep it moving.

Cristina: I mean, maybe one of you is a great drawer and you just draw out the points that you need to go to the map. I don't know. There's no one that's like that. Like, just quickly draw a layout of where you need to go before you just give him the map back. You need that map. I don't know. You replace it with another map. I don't know. You need more maps. You have a map up. You rip out around the page, you give it to him, you take the real map.

Jack: You're not gonna find the map book out here in the middle of nowhere.

Cristina: You know, you brought one. It has all the maps besides the map that you're in. Because he has it.

Jack: Because he ripped it out of the map.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. So you just rip out another page of the map book, give it to him, and you take it.

Jack: Man.

Cristina: I Don't know, like, I guess the true thing is, like, he's a villain of this movie. Not the Blair Witch.

Jack: No. Well, the problem is they really are just getting murdered or some s***.

Cristina: Yeah, because they're in her area. Because this guy made them be part of this area and they didn't want to be in that area.

Jack: No, actually the emo girl is the one.

Cristina: Well, she just wants to interview people about it. I don't think she wanted to look for her. I don't think anyone was looking for her. They just wanted to know the story about her. They were investigating that, like the lore behind her. But they weren't like looking for her. They weren't investigating where she is. I think. I don't remember.

Jack: No, I think they really set out to find her.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. At the beginning they were interviewing her, but then they literally went out to camp to see if they would find her.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Yeah. But also. Okay, let's. Let's break this down real quick. Just out here talking some Blair Witch Project type s***. But in this movie, what the h*** really is a Blair Witch?

Cristina: It's a lady who lives in the forest who does magic. It's a witch. She's just a witch.

Jack: Right, but like, is she though? There's no proof of this.

Cristina: No, actually she might not be a witch. She just might be a crazy lady who lives in the forest killing people.

Jack: No, because some of these people are in weird ways not even dead and somewhere more horrifying, kind of.

Cristina: Okay, so you think magic is involved?

Jack: I don't know. Think about the shot from when the girl runs down to the girl or somebody, whoever the h*** is holding the camera when they ran down to the basement. And they see the other guy, not hurt, not hung, not with his face attached to a pipe or anything, just.

Cristina: Staring at a wall or something.

Jack: Staring at a wall. That's also, by the way, way, way more horrifying.

Cristina: How do we know she doesn't drug people?

Jack: Could be. But like, how are you moving these people? How's any of this happening? The. With the velocity that they both enter the house together, they separate by one floor, hear scream, run down the stairs and immediately just see him in this position. No f****** way. Nope.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: It's too soon for anything. It's moments. There's no way in h*** that that's what happened. Something so crazy we couldn't fathom it took place there.

Cristina: But also she was haunt like around them before that. Like if she did something to them, it could have been before that moment. And then it just taking effect to him at that moment.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: Please. Weren't they also hallucinating and stuff? Am I wrong?

Jack: Well, yeah. No, no, really, really. What you're talking about is real magic. Like the real depictions of the fake depictions of magic, throwing that away and using real concepts of how magic could be portrayed in the real world. That's really what you're discussing here.

Cristina: What do you mean? I don't know.

Jack: Well, in the case of the Blair Witch, you're saying that in her drugging them consistently throughout a period of time, these are potions and things. That's really what's happening. And that the drugs could make them hallucinate, but also the potentiality that somebody they encountered has quite powerful hypnotic abilities.

Cristina: And maybe through, like a voodoo witch type of thing.

Jack: Yeah, through some suggestions weird zombies, like, got crap into their heads. Triggers for later, the way people like Darren Brown do.

Cristina: Yes, because she was stalking them. I'm pretty sure she was stalking them through the movie.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I think so.

Jack: So she could be encountering them at random moments. Why didn't I think of that? Because I was talking about the people they interviewed. Like they were talking to me. They put those people. But they definitely spoke to way more people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody could have tossed a couple of things here and there, knowing. Or perhaps even luring them in with the thought.

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: And then doing these things.

Cristina: Oh, it could have been one of those people they interviewed. Because the witch would be living in that area as a normal person. Most likely. Yeah.

Jack: Yes. It would just be somebody who lives there.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that's awesome. We figured it out.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So the Blair Witch is some sort of voodoo priestess or alchemic kind of person just blending into society. Sort of a serial killer of sorts.

Cristina: Spreading her own story.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: But also getting victims through sharing her story.

Jack: Yes, interesting. It's a Freddy Krueger or. Yeah, well, you have to know about Freddy Krueger.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so.

Jack: Holy word.

Cristina: There's. Yeah, I think that's how that works.

Jack: That sucks. Hear about the story once, you know, you just f*****.

Cristina: Yes, yes. That's why.

Jack: Yeah, well, that works kind of like the ring, right? Only when you know, are you.

Cristina: The ring.

Jack: Yeah, you got to watch some. The film first.

Cristina: Oh, yes. And then you have. Yeah, like our show.

Jack: Yeah, but yeah, you hear it and then you watch. You watch it, and then you're f*****. And then that's it. Seven days later. Screwed.

Cristina: Yeah, that's the same thing happening, I guess.

Jack: Yeah, but we're saying that the Blair Witch is f****** with these people, drugging them, hypnotizing them. And what we see in the basement was that this lady hiding somewhere in this house immediately ran up to him, dropped one of those triggers that immediately, immediately zombified him. Then she pointed at a corner and said, stand over there. And he walked over there and she just walked away casually into a corner where you can't see her. And then you walk down the stairs and see the guy standing there and you're like, oh, if she knows about.

Cristina: That cabinet then like maybe there's a windows that are open or like open a little bit that she can just whisper something. Yeah, Someone's next to it, they'll hear.

Jack: It goes off.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which would explain why at the very last thing that we saw about that film was the camera just suddenly dropping and playing for nothing. Because we hear nobody drop, which was what we were expecting. Somebody hit the floor, but it's creepy. Or that nobody hit the floor, but it's because the old lady just walks by into something. Yes, she like. But a lot of we don't hear when they were in the forest. I believe things are being whispered, but I don't think in the house things are being whispered, but maybe they were because the camera caught none of it.

Cristina: No, that doesn't mean it wasn't happening.

Jack: Doesn't mean it wasn't happening. Alternatively, there are other ways. Visual cues that we're not catching. Maybe she's swinging her hand in front of their faces and doing a hand gesture or something. That's immediately causing the trigger to go off.

Cristina: Could be through windows, it could be through mirrors like it does. She doesn't have to be right, right there.

Jack: Yeah. And the camera doesn't look at everywhere all at once. It's an old school camera.

Cristina: interesting.

Jack: There could be somebody who just lured them there when they were looking through the story. Maybe this happens all the time.

Cristina: Yes, well, we figured it out. I think that's crazy. So she's an actual witch?

Jack: Well, no, no. I mean, I guess she's no different than the witches of the past, but she's definitely not the witches of lore. Because the witches of lore are weird magic. Throw things in a pot, make kind of a wish kind of thing almost. And then something happens or say some words and like boom, some s*** goes down.

Cristina: Like that's not fantasy witch.

Jack: Exactly. Like real physical reality witch. Yes, that's definitely what she is.

Cristina: Slash magician, illusionist, etc. Yes.

Jack: Using all the things that apply in that nature so the Blair Witch was just a person great with all these things who also love to kill people because somebody's literal heart was ripped out.

Cristina: I kind of don't remember that. But okay.

Jack: Yeah. When they found the heart wrapped in.

Cristina: A shirt, it was one of their friends.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Because if it was just a heart.

Jack: In a piece of his friends shirt, I don't know how they look. I don't think they looked at the heart and were like, well, that's definitely Bub's heart.

Cristina: Or that's definitely a deer's heart wrapped in his shirt.

Jack: Yeah, they wouldn't know.

Cristina: They wouldn't know.

Jack: They could have just taken the shirt off of him.

Cristina: Wait, did they find any dead bodies? No, because that means no one might be dead, but they are missing. So then never mind. I don't know.

Jack: That doesn't mean they're dead.

Cristina: Yes, because the guy who's standing there, he's not dead. He's just standing there.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So there's no proof that she's actually killing people. She's just messing with people and they don't go home.

Jack: Did I mean, do they say people go missing because maybe time passes and then they show up and then they're like, what the f*** happened?

Cristina: Yeah, it depends on what's the rumors. I don't remember if it's about people dying from her or people just missing because of her.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: We should figure that out.

Jack: We should definitely take a look at this. Okay. Okay, here we go. We pulled it up.

Cristina: Yes, that's the plot of it. Okay, let's see where it starts. Okay. They travel to some place and interview residents about the legend. There's one story about a hermit who lived in the woods kidnapping seven kids. And he killed the kids. Except for one who was watching, who had to stand in the corner, I guess to watch the whole thing or not to watch it. I don't know. What's the guy doing? He's in the corner though. I want stands in the corner like the ending.

Jack: He's punishing a kid. Go stand in the corner.

Cristina: Yeah, but that means you, when you punish a kid to stand in the corner, that kid's not facing you. So he's not actually watching the murder.

Jack: He's not watching it. No, that person's going through h***.

Cristina: Yeah. Then they research legend some more. Let's see. Yes, they hear about the woods being haunted. They have a story that a young girl went missing. She returned three days later and she talked about old lady whose feet never touched the ground. Then there was students who went hiking where five men were found ritualist. Ritualistically murdered. Their bodies later disappeared. But there's no proof of these bodies. Like, yes, they saw. They're saying someone saw, but they're legends. So you're just saying, like, if the stories change over and over, that you could just say that they were murdered.

Jack: Yes. There's no proof because there's no proof.

Cristina: Exactly. There's no proof that any of these bodies happened. But we just know these people probably really did go missing. And let's see if there's more stories. Stuff happens. They hear some twigs snapping. Yeah. I guess that's the end of the story of the legends. At least then the weird stuff happens while they're hiking.

Jack: Okay, so we never see somebody dead. There's no proof of that. Everybody's missing. And the only person we know current day who disappears.

Cristina: And it wasn't a heart. You said that there was a shirt. It was blood soaked. It had teeth, hair, a finger and a piece of a tongue. But you're also assuming it's from the person that was missing.

Jack: I guess because it's wrapped in their shirt.

Cristina: Yeah, as well. Is he the guy? I think he's the one that they find in the basement who's just standing there. I'm assuming the girl hears screaming in the basement. Her camera captures Mike standing in the corner. Okay. That's not the guy, though, whose stuff was missing, who they're looking for. That's another guy. So we don't know if that other guy got killed.

Jack: This isn't the guy who's missing?

Cristina: No. They're looking for him in the house, the guy that is missing. But the guy in this corner is one of them that's looking for that guy.

Jack: Yes. Oh, yeah. So this is what I said. When they walked into the house. They split up by one floor.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They heard the person with the camera.

Cristina: They don't find the missing guy. I'm saying.

Jack: Yeah, I know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because they just run down. So that's why it's crazy unlikely that this was something that happened until you said that maybe happened over time. Because it's moments. And they hear something and run downstairs and they're just standing there. The person they just walked into the house with.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So how did they so quickly fall into this? Unless everything was pre planned and there was somebody who threw a couple of suggestions. Yeah, or been drugging you. Or both. Because you're out there. They don't even have to end if it's a good enough potion. Maybe it's based on aroma. And you're just dropping s*** by your tent. You're inhaling it while you're sleeping. They didn't have to touch you. They're just in the area. They walked by, dropped something. Boom. You sniffed something, not even knowing it was happening. It dissolved into the ground. So you never see it in the morning, but you sniffed it the whole time, and they just kept walking. They didn't even think about it a second time.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. Like, so you think, huh? But there's so many different stories that are super unrelated to each other, though. But it does prove that the place is haunted, I guess.

Jack: It's not haunted. It's rumors.

Cristina: It's rumors. Yes. Never mind. It's rumors.

Jack: Now, the question we're trying to get to here, I suppose, is the culprit, the witch in this scenario, somebody who they interviewed. And so we have our culprits already.

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: Because what are the odds that they put the person who it was in there? But it would also have to be somebody who is charismatic if they're good at what they're good at. Well, at least for the hypnosis part.

Cristina: Yeah. They would probably enjoy being. Having the cameras. They probably choose these people because they have cameras.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. They're putting on a show.

Cristina: They're putting on. Exactly.

Jack: So whoever it is is already in front of the camera. And that's what kind of got them excited. These people came to them.

Cristina: Yes. They'll put a show on for those people, and then once they get rid of those people, other people will find those cameras, and then everyone will know.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And then people will come to investigate some more. And that'll be more fun.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: For the, you know, the person. Yeah.

Jack: So our culprit is hidden amongst the people who are most exciting, which are most likely the ones they put into the footage, which are the people we got to see at the beginning of the movie. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. But it would be very hard to tell unless you want to actually investigate who they interviewed.

Jack: I want to see who they interviewed. All the listeners can go and check. We'll put the link to this.

Cristina: Yeah, put the link to the movie.

Jack: Not the movie. Whatever clip we see with the intro that we're about to. Up to YouTube. That's in YouTube or whatever. We'll put that in here so you can find that. And you can look at this in this very next moment. Starting. Because we're gonna listen to it in that moment, right? We're gonna listen to it. We're gonna watch it, then we're gonna continue talking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And to you it's gonna be an instant and that instant is gonna be right. But also I don't want you to. No, I'm just f****** with you. It's gonna be right. But no, seriously, look, I do think anyways. No, it's gonna be right now. Oh man, I am so friggin excited right now. Okay, so we got a couple of culprits. There's an old guy at the beginning.

Cristina: Mm. There's an old guy also that we don't hear about. Or he's the same old guy, but he like they talk to him in the store and then he comes outside of the store. Is that the same?

Jack: No, no, no. So there's two. Yeah. So there's a hermit older guy. This is a hermit old guy that doesn't interact with anybody. He lives up in the hill. That's the stories are of that guy. That guy was a real person. That guy eventually died or went to the hospital or something and like his story is currently being abused for the benefit of the Blair Witch. Now we're gonna assume that guy does not exist because they're using his story. He's dead. He's not the culprit. Now suspect number one, old guy. The beginning. Interesting old guy. Matches old guy just so happens to be which his ability to change how they look any range of things he could change structurally how he's an old guy. So. Fair enough. Whatever, bro. You got powers. We can make us look like whatever if we're watching you on a video. Who knows what you said. And his excitement at the beginning when they said they're shooting a documentary about the Blair, which was so ecstatic.

Cristina: Is he the one?

Jack: Well, that's just culvert number one.

Cristina: Oh, okay. You're going through.

Jack: Because culprit number two is the lady.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Lady with the baby.

Cristina: Do you think the lady with the baby.

Jack: I don't think. I'm just talking about everybody who's in the video.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Come on. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And the lady with the baby I don't really have. She's also excited, but I think she's just genuinely excited. I think she's just a chill person. She didn't have any vibes on her that I was like, meh, you know.

Cristina: And the culprit number three would be the bro. Yes, the bro.

Jack: No, I want here's. There's no way it's 100% the bro. It's a hundred percent the bro. But was there Anybody else in that video?

Cristina: No, it was just them three.

Jack: Them three. Okay, so I want to hear your reasoning for which one.

Cristina: No, I want you to go first.

Jack: I promise you that mine is way better than yours.

Cristina: No, go first. I don't want to ruin. I don't know, it's tough to tell. It's tough to tell. Okay, I'll rock, paper, scissor this or something.

Jack: Oh, fair enough, fair enough.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Flip something. Is there something out here we can flip? There is a bottle cap. And I'm gonna flip open side.

Cristina: What is head? That's tails.

Jack: That's tails. So the other side is. Okay, perfect. Okay, which one do you pick? If you're right, I go first. Because you want me to. If I'm right, if you're wrong, you go first. So basically, if you're heads, but you call heads, I go first because you want me to go first. If you're heads, but you call tails. Like if you call heads but you get tails, then you go first because you were wrong. What you want me to do doesn't matter because I want you to do the opposite anyways. Okay, so heads or tails?

Cristina: Tails.

Jack: Of course.

Cristina: There's always gonna be tails with that type of thing.

Jack: No, it can't be.

Cristina: Rear side is the. Oh, look at that.

Jack: There you go.

Cristina: But that's two out of three. Tails.

Jack: That means if it happened four times, it would break even.

Cristina: Do it again.

Jack: You want it even on 2 out of 3? One more time.

Cristina: One more time.

Jack: One more time. One more time.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But okay. My reasoning behind why it's a bro. The bro literally described only emotions you could feel if you were present or had experienced them, or have. No, only if you experience them. Because it was very specific scenario he had mentioned, but he hadn't mentioned it in an abstract removed way, but rather how he would feel if it happened to him. This very exact scenario. This bro was talking about experience. Except why would they think it's me? Mm, he convinced me into. Cuz he did it two times.

Cristina: What was his story again? He wasn't the one.

Jack: Wait, no, he was just recounting what happened. He's like, oh no, I know the story about the whatever because of this. That doesn't matter. It's when he was telling us what the Blair Witch did because he's heard of what. So he's telling us all this horrible thing or that horrible thing, the way a serial killer would do it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he's telling you about how he would feel about certain situations.

Cristina: Oh, wait, he was saying that that was a horror story, though. That the parents would tell them to scare them to bed or something.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, Totally fine. It's great. Okay. But what he's describing. When he's describing what the Blair Witch does. Crazy. How would you know? How would these emotions make sense? And how would these scenarios make sense? The fact that you would so specifically recall something like this that nobody would consider.

Cristina: I don't remember. I'm gonna go watch it again because I don't remember him being that detailed.

Jack: Yeah, let's go. Okay. What do you think?

Cristina: Interesting. Interesting.

Jack: Right? Because he's so into it. Like, oh, no, they would do this or they would do that. It's possible in that scenario that his grandma was furry time. The Blair Witch.

Cristina: You're wrong about that.

Jack: And then he was the Blair Witch.

Cristina: What happened was there was a guy who did that stuff.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: And then there was a guy who survived that and he.

Jack: You saying he got sawed and then he.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. He enjoyed it. Yeah.

Jack: And you think it was this old.

Cristina: Guy or the young dude. It doesn't matter which two. But one of them was really there. Who? He was just the one that was chosen not to die that day.

Jack: The one who stands in the corner.

Cristina: Yes. Which could be the young guy. It doesn't matter.

Jack: No, but it was specified that the one who stands in the corner gets killed anyways.

Cristina: No, he. It said. They said that.

Jack: Yeah, the guy said that he makes him stand in the corner and then he just kills him anyways.

Cristina: No, Now I have to go. Are you sure?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: The thing that makes me think that one of them stayed alive is what he says that the person who watching the wall. Watches the wall or whatever. He said that he can feel the eyes or he can feel what's happening behind. Like the way he describes the person at the wall feeling like. Like he was that person who said that. The young guy.

Jack: The young guy.

Cristina: He describes the feeling of being that person and like, this is why he did that. So that that person could feel this way and like. But he made it feel like that person might still be alive. Like he said it like it was present.

Jack: Yes. Which means we're both right.

Cristina: Yes, I think so.

Jack: Like, he want. He is currently what we are experiencing in the movie as the Blair Witch. It's him. But he is. Who's talking about. He's talking about personal experience. I was. I totally missed that part. But he did speak personal experience from both points. Point of views.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of, like, what you feel doing it and what you feel having had it done to you.

Cristina: Yes, because he's doing both. Or he was doing one, he's now doing the other.

Jack: So there is a saw esque kind of problem taking place here. Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. I think so.

Jack: So it's the kid. It's the kid. It's definitely the kid. He's the Blair Witch.

Cristina: Yeah. He was that young boy.

Jack: He was a young boy.

Cristina: He probably heard stories like his, the true, you know, what his mom was saying or whatever. And he probably did end up in the woods with the seven kids.

Jack: It was one of the seven kids.

Cristina: Exactly. And then it happened to him. And then he knew. Oh yeah. Her stories were true.

Jack: Or there were eight kids. They originally thought there were eight kids but eventually he popped up again. After all the things happened unrelated to anything that happened there. They would just chalked it off as, oh, he's not related to the thing. But he was missing for some time.

Cristina: Ah. Because there's a lot of missing people and there's a lot of dead children.

Jack: Yes. And we did hear about the girl who came back. Unless that was not intentional because there is a girl who came back three days later as said by the old guy.

Jack: So somebody got away.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And had no memory or something.

Cristina: Had no memory.

Jack: What was the story of the girl? Okay, these are two additional suspects I had no idea existed. That's five suspects total. What was the third one?

Cristina: There's two fishermen.

Jack: Oh yeah. Yes. Those fishermen. Who one of them could be. I didn't even think about that. I was considering both of them at the same time.

Cristina: One of them is truly denying all of it. So. And then one is like, yeah, it's all true.

Jack: Interesting. Then the lady and then the lady Mary. Mary seems like she's out of her f****** mind.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also Mary says she encountered the Blair Witch. I don't know if we can trust Mary.

Cristina: Why? She has a Bible, she has crosses.

Jack: Here's what's fascinating about Mary. Mary describes this fantastical creature that she comes across which you're calling a yeti. A yeti?

Cristina: Yetis are magical. Therefore Blair Witch is a yeti.

Jack: Okay, totally acceptable, except a witch would throw you off. Anyways, so this story is so that you don't think it's her? If it was her?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, it's like, oh, no, I'm just a crazy lady.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: I'm just a crazy lady.

Cristina: Or it is a yeti and like everyone's dead in these stories. No one's really telling these stories. These are just made up stories. About what happened to these dead missing people. Therefore, it could be a yeti.

Jack: So the conclusion is that the Blair Witch is really just a yeti because the description that Mary gives us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is essentially a yeti wearing a furry coat. Yes.

Cristina: Or shawl. What is a shawl? That's like a. Yeah.

Jack: Who cares? It's a yeti.

Cristina: Furry also.

Jack: Yeah. She's fur everywhere.

Cristina: She's furry. Wearing furry stuff. Okay.

Jack: Alternatively, the two fishermen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: One of them, like, is questionable because he seems like a drunk. So like his experience, like he thinks he saw her, but also he's like probably just imagining things. Like, I mean that's the problem.

Jack: Maybe that's there to throw us off. Right. Like, maybe he is a drunken. So that's why he's. Who was targeted. Who was gonna believe this a******?

Cristina: Like if he was actually Blair Witch though, like, you think he could do it?

Jack: Yeah, I mean it could be anybody. Anybody could be the Blair Witch. We don't know. We gotta go. Based off of these interviews, man.

Cristina: Yes. I don't.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't know if he did it. I don't know. He's. He's the most least likely.

Jack: Which one?

Cristina: The drunk.

Jack: The drunk. What about the other guy?

Cristina: I think he totally could be a suspect because he is such in denial of it. He doesn't want.

Jack: No, definitely not. It's impossible.

Cristina: Yes. Which makes me like, maybe he's hiding the truth.

Jack: Like almost excessively, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, no, you're an idiot.

Cristina: Yeah. Because like he knows his friend didn't see her because he knows he's her and he wasn't that thing that he.

Jack: Saw in the water.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, no, I wouldn't be coming out of the water. Why would I be doing that? That's weird.

Jack: Any sense? Yes, exactly. Dumb thing to think I would do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. So the hands. So, okay.

Cristina: Like he's taking the stories too seriously and he's like. No.

Jack: So Mary, the in denial fisherman.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or who was their suspect from the other batch?

Cristina: Everyone. No, I guess the young dude or the young.

Jack: The young. The bro. The bro.

Cristina: The bro.

Jack: Those are our three main suspects. Now the bro was recounting like first hand experiences. And it's possible one of those scenarios is either moment, it's either the third piece of evidence of hands on experience as the killer or it's the first piece of experience of a survivor recounting firsthand experience.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Regardless, there's too much first hand experience in how he's describing the scenarios.

Cristina: Yes. That Makes him such a suspect. But also the old guy, like he knew the person who killed. Like he was like it happened in the past. He might have been a child around that time. Because it happened in the 40s. He was around in the 40s. He was young. In the 40s, right. Like he's an old man now.

Jack: Yeah, he was there as a kid.

Cristina: As a kid, right? Like, yes. Unless he was a young adult then. I don't know. But like imagine if he was a young kid and he saw this man and he heard about these things and maybe. Yeah, he was a victim or he heard about it and he experienced and it happened.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: So I don't know.

Jack: So he has motive. We got motive for the old guy. Like how it could have happened. But the bro is recounting things that like, hard to tackle that while the other guy is having himself an active emotional reaction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like why, dude?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Why are you so against this? Which is like, that's way more of a red flag. Because maybe the bro just talks weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's over here really feeling. Maybe he's a feeler, an sf. And this is what I was told.

Cristina: He's like the girl who was interview who was excited about the stories too. She was like, cool, this is awesome story. Even though like child don't listen.

Jack: But yeah, but no, he was talking about things like why, why would you think about this specifically? You must have replayed this in your mind if you're not the killer in great detail in order to have thought about that very specific weird thing. Like that's weird. That's what's strange about him. He recounts things that are like a first hand experience type of person would describe.

Cristina: Man. But then that Mary lady.

Jack: But then the Mary lady. Mary is a f****** wrench. Because Mary creates a problem. If Mary were the witch, could we trust her story? No. Well, actually we couldn't trust the witch's story regardless, which is a problem with all of these scenarios. Yeah, but if Mary were the witch, she'd do whatever so that we don't think it's her obvious behavior.

Cristina: So everything's an act. Her house is an act. The flag is an act, the crosses, the Bible.

Jack: Everything. Everything is bullshit. Yes. All the time.

Cristina: All of it. Love it. Even that story about the yeti?

Jack: Yes. Everything is made up. She doesn't give a f***. She makes s*** up all the time. None of this matters. Probably spitting out different bullshit stories all the time. Oh man, it's gotta be the joker. Yes.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. Or the Yeti it's like her or the yeti is my number. Two number one spots. Then the fisherman and the young man is my number.

Jack: Because the yeti is like something that happened. It's a culprit we can't interview, but it is a culprit that maybe it was a literal yeti. Alternatively, maybe that other guy descriptions of.

Cristina: The witch of like, what's their experience? Of like, they feel something moving around them, but they can't see it. That's exactly what happens when you have a yetis. Like those experiences feel. It's the same story about when you see a yeti. You, like, I saw something and you ran fast or whatever. And like, it's a yeti.

Jack: It's not a yeti. I figured out what it was.

Cristina: Okay, what is it?

Jack: We go through moments in life where we are very dumb to things we've always known. One of the things you and I, throughout our conversations we've landed at is that it's never the person, it's the system. We have many things like that. I just can't remember most of them. Okay, but one of the things that we should always remember to include into that mixture of thoughts that always apply to every scenario.

Cristina: Aliens.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's that everything that could ever happen at all connects back to adrenochrome.

Cristina: Oh, my God.

Jack: And now let me just paint you a real broad quick picture. There was an old guy, and then he killed a bunch of children. And then he went to jail or died or something. And then a bunch of weird s*** started happening in the woods. Somebody drank adrenochrome, got f****** powers, got dead or whatever f*** happened, and then started doing adrenochrome Y s*** in the woods and forever drinking the blood of children.

Cristina: His murders. Because those kids were very fearful. Yes, adrenochrome. But also adrenochrome attracts creatures from the other side.

Jack: No, fear does.

Cristina: Okay, what are those kids feeling?

Jack: Fear.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. And in the place generates enough because anybody in that area feels a creature will come.

Cristina: Yes, Yeti.

Jack: Yeti. So that means that multiple stories here happening. Yes, because we don't need the old guy for this. Regardless of which one of the other culprits could have done it. But also. No, you're wrong, because a yeti is not from the shadow realm.

Cristina: That is a version of the yeti that comes from the shadow realm. The wild yeti.

Jack: The. Yeah, whatever.

Cristina: Whatever the crap I can't remember. It's the same thing, but it's scarier.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Sasquatch Sasquatch. Is that the one?

Jack: No, those are all from this side. It's reaching.

Cristina: No, one of them is the wild one. Yeah, no, that's. Yes. Well, this experience gave them adrenochrome, Right?

Jack: Why would they. They found the yeti and gave the yeti adrenochrome.

Cristina: The yeti was there. I don't know. Maybe he was. Because the bodies were there by themselves. The yeti discovers the bodies, but whoever is.

Jack: Oh, you're saying that they're just a serial killer and then the endy.

Cristina: Yes. So there's just. He. He killed them and then he abandoned them. There's a bunch of blood and fear in one spot.

Jack: So then it's not a f****** yeti, it's something else. Took it and became this s***. Because if they just saw yeti, that stops making sense.

Cristina: Who saw yeti?

Jack: Whoever the f*** saw the yeti. The Mary lady. Because the yeti really did happen. We're assuming her story is true.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she really saw yeti or whatever. But also that doesn't make sense. She's describing it. You're saying yeti. Great. Fantastic. She saw a hairy creature. A yeti wouldn't take adrenochrome and then just stay a yeti. No, it turned into some other s*** that's already been established, which means something that isn't a yeti and somehow looks like a human woman with the body. That's crazy. Furry is a f****** creature of some weird freak of nature. And then that creature, because again, oh, it's just a lady. But then she showed me underneath it's a lady. And then I saw her arms hairy like an impossible. And then she showed me her body all hairy. Okay, that's not sasquatch. It would be like. Oh, it was like a monkey man. No, that's usually a description. This is some other s***. This is a whole other creature.

Cristina: Okay, but the creature came because of the death and fear and whatever.

Jack: Yeah. Basically we've just discovered a creature we did not know about.

Cristina: Oh, there might be stories about this creature and we just haven't found it. Oh, okay.

Jack: There is an interesting problem. It's definitely not Sasquatch. This is a whole other scenario happening. But regardless of which case happened, this could happen. Yes, Adrenochrome something. It's either a creature came upon the bodies. If there's a serial killer, desert killer, kills the people, doesn't give a s*** about their blood. He does his thing. Creature stumbled upon a body drowning in adrenochrome, ate, drank, whatever, somehow Came in contact with it, loved it, took more, becomes some s***, and then it continues chasing that and as a result, finds people. And thus the story of Mary.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or old guy dies, allegedly. But he already killed a bunch of children. He got away with whatever he was trying to do to get the adrenochrome. Death is impossible now. I'll just become something greater. And upon going back.

Cristina: Yep. Okay. Yes. He's that hairy lady.

Jack: Okay, so we got culprits, and we got reasons for all of them. What do you guys think? What do you guys think? Who do you guys think is the culprit for the Blair Witch Project? Who. Which one of the people interviewed is, in fact the witch? Because it is among them. Because the witch likes flair. Real witches like flair. They like drama. They like narrative. That's why they take up these jobs.

Cristina: As magicians and several coders. Like flare, too.

Jack: They do. They do. That's.

Cristina: They.

Jack: There's an art to what they're doing. The artist of the murder world.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yes, she's here somewhere.

Jack: Ironically, they do usually fit the drama kid bill. Crazy.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird. Anyways, so let us know who you guys think is the killer out of the people. We're putting the links to all the people, and you can watch those videos on YouTube and you can find us everywhere, like socials and stuff at Facebook and Twitter and Instagram. Just convopod.

Cristina: Yes. Remember to subscribe, write and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And let someone who might like the show know about it. Talk, say words. Be like, yo.

Cristina: Tell them about our theories.

Jack: Yes. Tell them that the Blair Witch Project has suspects at the beginning that you should consider.

Cristina: You should let us know what's scarier. Just hearing a sound or hearing a sound and seeing something.

Jack: Yes. That's also totally true. Hearing the sound and seeing nothing or hearing the sound and seeing something?

Cristina: A glimpse of something.

Jack: Yes. What's more horrifying? Great, Great questions to answer.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: That's so weird. Yeah. And that reminds me, though, of the podcast that we did with the. I will never forget it because I was saying it wrong the whole time.

Jack: Except.

Cristina: Except. No, not that. It was. What's it called? Spooky Pasta. Creepypasta.

Jack: Creepypasta.

Cristina: It was a creepypasta episode. There was a story about a guy who goes into a cave. He's called a caver. And I was saying caver.

Jack: A caver.

Cristina: Right. Something like that.

Jack: I don't remember.

Cristina: Okay, well, it was something very similar. To that, like, he was like something caver. And I was saying caver.

Jack: And that's stuck in your. Wait, you just remembered this since.

Cristina: Yes. It haunted you.

Jack: It's haunted you.

Cristina: Because. I don't know, it was so obvious. He's in cave. The word is cave. But I'm saying cave.

Jack: But here's the thing that has happened to me, maybe not on the show, but that has happened to me before, where, like, the word should be totally logical. Like the super simple. And I'm like, not getting it. And then somebody else points out. I'm like, holy s***. Duh. But before it's pointed out, I have no clue.

Cristina: You have no clue?

Jack: No clue.

Cristina: But you can't think of a word, that word.

Jack: A word.

Cristina: The last time.

Jack: Let me see. I don't know off the top of my head.

Cristina: Oh. And nothing. None of it stands out. You just. Forgotten them.

Jack: Yeah. I never gave a crap.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I mean, what the h*** can I do about it if I don't know? What the h***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Ignorance is forgivable. Intention is punishable.

Cristina: Peanuts Man.

Jack: Yeah. The Peanuts Man.

Cristina: The Peanuts man. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Dots.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 23, 2022

Rambling 185: Akashita the Jehovah of Dark

July 23, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

For what reason is Christian diety Jehovah depicted above the clouds? Why does Japanese cloud yokai Akashita have human physical features? And how are they connected? The duo tries to uncover whether Jehovah and Akashita are one and the same by discussing the personality shift between the new and old testaments of the bible.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Nick Kroll
Is Goku Jesus?
Adrenochrome
Editing the Bible
Scripture Right or Wrong
The Garen of Eden
Who made the Fruit of Knowledge?
The Shadow Realm
War of the Clouds
Mass Extinction Event

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And so what happened recently was that. I'll see how long I can hold that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What happened recently is that we were talking about last week specifically.

Cristina: Are you trying to do, like, who are you trying to be? Are you that monster from that show, Big Mouth? Or are you doing something else?

Jack: You think I'm doing a Nick Kroll impression? You think I'm doing a Nick Kroll impression?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Oh, I guess it's kind of in that ballpark, right? Interesting. Is that in the. What is it called? He's the hormone monster.

Cristina: Yeah, the hormone monster.

Jack: Is this the hormone monster? Wait, isn't the hormone monster. Yeah, the hormone monster. Is Nick Kroll, or is the hormone monster Jason Manzoukas?

Cristina: No, it's Nick.

Jack: It's Nick, right?

Cristina: Pretty sure it's Nick. Nick has a lot of people in that show.

Jack: Nick. Nick is a. Let's. Let's be real and applaud. It's so freaking underrated, bro. That's a genius. Right? Like, he does so much crap and, like, nobody's looking in that direction. It's like, why, dude? And it's all good. Yeah, it's like, why is he not like, one of the biggest s**** that's ever existed in the comedy world?

Cristina: Did you see him show? He was doing pretty much the same thing in his show. Not the same thing, but he was doing a bunch of characters pretty much.

Jack: Yeah, it's. Yeah, exactly. He's just really exaggeratedly skilled and can do quite a bit of work alone.

Cristina: So you're done with the voice?

Jack: Oh, I totally. Yeah. See, I'm not. I can't commit. Anyways, so the point is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That last week. Last week on Dragon Ball Z, Goku was talking about.

Cristina: He was not.

Jack: He was totally here, but he was.

Cristina: Talking about some type of science thing. No sign.

Jack: We were talking about a science.

Cristina: I don't know if that's where you were going with it. If he was talking about science to us. No, no, he wasn't.

Jack: Goku probably knows science. No, no, he does.

Cristina: Okay. What was he talking about?

Jack: He was talking about. Who would be more accurate to be talking about that? Anyways, so he was talking about. I don't remember exactly how the conversation led him. It was something about profit. We're going to become prophets and predict how the world was going to end or some.

Cristina: That is very strange that he was talking to us about that.

Jack: No, we were talking about that.

Cristina: Whatever, though, because, like, isn't he Jesus or something? No, that's not.

Jack: I guess he's kind of like Jes. Well, no, not really. Jesus was sent to Earth to destroy it. That's.

Cristina: Wait, you said Jesus?

Jack: Yeah, you said Jesus.

Cristina: No, but you said Jesus was sent to Earth to destroy it.

Jack: No, that would be if Goku was Jesus. Okay, then that means Jesus is essentially just an alien sent to Earth to destroy it.

Cristina: We don't know that, but I see.

Jack: What you mean, because his story is kind of like the boy who turned out to be the chosen one.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And is here to save the world or whatever. So, yeah, I see. He's both sent there to destroy it and that, like, prophet, Savior, Jesus.

Cristina: It could be Wolf.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: You don't know.

Jack: Look, this is. If there's any argument. I mean, I guess it's on point. We're talking about the point which is the future. But if there's any consideration to how this particular prophet. It could possibly be both, it's that Jehovah of light clearly does not agree with Jesus. Only Jehovah of Dark does, which is do you but let them do them. Which was not the motto of Jehovah of Light, which was like, bro, you do what I say, how I say f*** yo. S***, I don't care what you want to do.

Cristina: It's like, whoa, even though he's light, he's bad.

Jack: Yeah, Basically he's from this side is why he's Jehovah of light.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The other thing we call Jehovah, but is clearly not unless at a God tier, there's some sort of application of the principle of opposites, polarity, you know? And if that applies, then Jehovah of Light was simultaneously created with Jehovah of Dark, which I think we discussed before, because the theory would suggest that there is a Me of Dark. Even if I can also go there, it can also come here. But there should be a. If equal opposites happens, and in the shadow room, there should be a me or something equal. There should be an equal to me on this side.

Cristina: Huh? I don't remember talking about that.

Jack: Maybe it's just a thought I had during one of our conversations.

Cristina: Okay. Because I remember talking about the light and dark of them.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Talking about us as humans and is there a different form of us?

Jack: Well, so the idea here was that The Jehovah of the Dark that somehow replaces Jehovah of Light in the Bible, dead center at the birth of Jesus Christ. And suddenly the rules change and kindness is in and horror punishments are out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: If that's the. The outcome here, the idea that we're saying is that the guy who comes from. We're assuming he's coming from the shadow.

Cristina: Realm, but they both are. Or. No.

Jack: No, not Jehovah of Light, of Dark, and Jehovah of Light. Only Jehovah of Light is from this side. He's something from this end.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But his equal opposite is Jehovah of Dark. And somehow Jehovah of Dark from the shadow realm crosses over and gets rid of Orin prisons, which is what we suggested initially, Jehovah of Light. But in this case, we're assuming that regardless of what happened between them, that one took over. What's the origin of the other? And why are they equal in caliber.

Cristina: But not philosophy equal in that, like, whoever's here can't travel over there, and whatever's over there can travel here and there whenever they want.

Jack: Maybe whatever's over here could travel over there. And we don't know that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because we can travel over there.

Cristina: We can't travel over there.

Jack: Well, we have ways of crossing, but.

Cristina: It'S usually having to do with something from over there helping us get there.

Jack: Yes, or dying.

Cristina: Or dying.

Jack: But there's ways, because death is not the end of life. It's just a part of life. And so a lot of creatures, a lot of people, a lot of things in this end go and take adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Have their moment of immortality, they run out or get killed by some other means that aren't natural, and they, instead of disappearing entirely, just enter the shadow realm. So something is happening. Also, we've never discussed what happens to the individuals outside of the shadow realm, because we know that that equals going to the shadow realm. But what the f*** happens if you didn't consume and then you did die?

Cristina: What does a normal person go through?

Jack: Yeah, we've established what happens if you die with adrenochrome. What really happens if you die? It can't just be all physics and s***. There has to be some logical counter to the. To the shadow realm, which I guess would be like heaven or whatever we're calling heaven or h***.

Cristina: So another location of dead people.

Jack: Yes, I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. That's complicated. Why would there be?

Jack: Well, I guess it would be an infinite number of locations. Right. And different ways to get there? Because are we assuming that heaven is all. It's. That's a different realm, right? That's not a different dimension? No, we're in every dimension simultaneously. That's another realm. That's the other location we never talk about.

Cristina: Isn't it here, though? Isn't it like a physical place?

Jack: So you're saying I can, like, get on a rocket ship and fly up to Heaven?

Cristina: The way they make it seem. I don't know if that's right, but it feels like it's like the Hercules stories where they live up there in the clouds?

Jack: Well, no. In the. In the Christian Bible. It doesn't work that way. In the Christian Bible, heaven is some sort of untraversible thing. It's impossible to get to without dying. Unless they literally.

Cristina: No, because they could. Because that's why he destroyed the tower they were making that was gonna go up to heaven.

Jack: Did he really think they were gonna get to him? Is that the idea? Or he was just punishing them for the attempt?

Cristina: It could be either. Or. But if he was punishing them for almost getting there. Yeah.

Jack: Well, no, that's the question. If it's punishment or resistance. If it's punishment, then you don't really. They weren't gonna get anywhere. You're just like, why are you trying to cheat? Yeah, but if it was just him protecting himself. Well, okay, what of space, then?

Cristina: And, yes, I feel like he was protecting himself because every time they go to heaven, they go up into the sky, though, too. That you physically. You see it. You see?

Jack: I love what you said. And it. I had a lag moment. And, like, you said, like, the gods who live on towers and s***, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. Except the depiction of Jehovah is on clouds. His heaven is in the clouds, not on a mountain. What if it's a literal location? That is a thing of a collection that looks like to us a collection of clouds. And it's not. It's below space to us. Like, I could fly and miss it because it would just look like clouds to me.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But he's just a creature literally living in some sort of cloud kingdom above. And he just looks like clouds. And you can't tell where he is. He could be anywhere.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Weird question. We're looking for a cloud.

Cristina: We're looking for a cloud.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I thought we found it. Oh, no, we're not.

Jack: We need Steve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To finish.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And we're looking for a cloud. We need Steve because he communicates with clouds or whatever the f*** he does, and that Cloud. The godlike cloud. The godlike cloud with godlike behavior. And now we're considering this possibility that.

Cristina: There is a creature living on clouds which are actually creatures. Which kind of makes sense. There are creatures that live on other creatures.

Jack: Yeah, but not even creatures living on other creatures, but rather this particular cloud. Like why would God. Why would the God. Why would Jehovah be a human looking thing living up there? What if what we're looking for is. Goes by one name, but that's just its Japanese name and we're talking about Jehovah. And the reason nobody has ever found Jehovah is because they're looking for a humanoid thing in the freaking sky.

Cristina: Well, when they describe him, I would imagine he's not actually a cloud. He is a creature from the sky. But it would be more likely that he's some type of electrical creature because he's blinding. When you see him, you'll be blind.

Jack: Well, theories.

Cristina: We know that electricity, like lightnings, could be creatures.

Jack: Yes. But also we. Yeah, totally. 100% lightning could be creature. But we know this cloud has a face, which means it has human characteristics, which means that maybe the things people have reported that show up in the Bible. Oh, he showed us a shoulder. I saw the shoulder of God and then my face was glowing and all I saw was a shoulder. He was too much to see. Yeah, but what happens when we look at this cloud? Akashita. That was his name. What happens when we look at Akashita, his face? We see what looks like a face.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: When somebody reported what looked like a shoulder.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You see the similarity there? There's just. Well, I. You can only see a small part of me. Maybe the face glowing thing is the exaggeration in that story. Maybe what he did see was some humanoid fe. But it's because this creature has the ability to do that. Just make himself. He's a cloud. I can look like whatever the f*** I want. Okay, so he'll do things because it's a weird thing.

Cristina: He could be cloud. I mean, like, he loves creating storms and stuff, right?

Jack: Yeah. And he's curious. Right. And he sees he didn't make these creatures. We know he didn't make us. Really? Really. He's something that showed up and wants to convince us of that. But there's a bunch of other s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And he knows that. That's why he tells you, hey, don't look at the other s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So there's other stuff. He's not special. He didn't make us. We're just Here. And there's a bunch of crap fighting for our attention.

Cristina: That would be weird. No, he can't be the cloud creature we're looking for because. Or he could. That's confusing because the. What's it called? The Triangle.

Jack: The Bermuda Triangle with a bunch of clouds?

Cristina: Yes. It's hiding Adam and Eve from God, which is a cloud. The clouds are hiding.

Jack: Well, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.

Cristina: Does this make sense?

Jack: No. Yes, it does. And I'm gonna. And I'm about to blow your f****** mind, bro. Okay, let's ground it, because this is what we do. The show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Okay, I established that there's Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark. And I also established that the narrative changed in the middle of the Bible 2000 years ago.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The reason Akashita looks like a dark cloud is because we're looking at Jehovah of Dark. Obviously, we're not dealing with the other one. Thus solving your problem.

Cristina: The other one? Light. Wait, which one is the one that's from the shadow realm?

Jack: The Jehovah of Dark? Akashita. The one that's out there. I think Jehovah of Dark is Akashita. That's my conclusion. They're the same.

Cristina: Wait, is he the bad one, though?

Jack: No, no, he's the good one.

Cristina: The good one. And he comes from here?

Jack: No, the good one comes from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay. Yes, it's a little confusing.

Jack: Yes, it's definitely confusing because I'm referring to where they come from, what their stance is. According to. We usually we think light good, dark bad. But here it's the opposite because whatever was from here is what's messed up.

Cristina: And whatever that's crazy because everything from there so far has been the messed up thing. But we're saying for some reason, the one that's here is the messed up one and not the one from over there.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, 100%. But the thing that's over here is already kind of weird. And it's a cloud that drains people of blood and s***. So that's also kind of crazy. Like it's a monster at the same time.

Cristina: Yes, yes, that's true.

Jack: It doesn't often, and it doesn't need to, and it won't. It's almost like if you f*** with it, it will. You're screwed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But also, it sounds like an animal that's sentient. Or not an animal sentient, but like a. He's Curious.

Cristina: But now we have to look for creatures that are like cloud monsters, but also that they have rivals. And what do those rivals look like? Because then we could figure out what could possibly be. Like, what other stories could be telling the God of Light, or whatever you want to call him. Jehovah of Light.

Jack: Jehovah of Light. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. We have to find.

Cristina: We found something that could be Jehovah dark. There has to be somewhere else that.

Jack: Shows Jehovah of Light. There has to be an example. Well, we know.

Cristina: Fighting each other, probably.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. There has to be a. Well, there are stories of brothers fighting each other.

Cristina: Yes, but I mean, like, more. Because those are way ancient stories. But we need something more recent. List the cloud stories more recent in.

Jack: The form of the Christian mythology. Is that the argument here? There should be an example that maybe somewhere they tripped up and said something that tells of somehow the sky fighting the sky or some s*** like that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To then be like, wait, they did. They. They hit. They tried hiding the thing. It's just too many bugs. It's too much going on. You will have. That's why there's so many plot holes. Because they took out s*** that was filling in the gaps.

Cristina: Because they needed. We do have to find it in some other story outside of.

Jack: But then that'll tell us where to look by comparison. So we. We find it outside first and then we bring it in. So we find some equivalent story of sky fighting sky, clouds fighting clouds.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Yeah, something, something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then we. When we find the story, we find out what the story is and what story is similar to that story in Christian mythology.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then we jump into Christian mythology and look at the story and see if this is the battle between Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark. Thus proving the point.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's what we gotta do. Yes. That sounds like a great idea.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We're gonna find the.

Jack: Now, is Lucifer Jehovah of Dark? Are those one in the same? Or is Jesus the prophet Lucifer one of those two? Because they share. They share similar ideas. You're saying that Jesus is Jehovah of Dark? That that story of Jesus being the son of God is true? That maybe. Okay, this is interesting because there is a similar story with Zeus. Thus Hercules.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is Jesus Hercules, I guess. Right. Kind of. He's the chosen special one, directly son of God. So. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. From a mortal and a God.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just like Jesus.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: He might also be saying, I don't know.

Jack: No, that's almost the Same s***. Yeah, That's a whole other bag of worms. But we're gonna get there because then the idea is that Jehovah of Dark, immediately after somehow taking over whatever Jehovah of Light was dealing with, was conquering whatever was his property. When Jehovah of Dark immediately took over that he impregnated a mortal woman as the first thing he did. Not in a bad way. But this person needs to have gifts and they need to tell these people who've been told to fear shame though.

Cristina: That he's a cloud king. Because the clouds are protecting Adam and Eve in the water layer. So like, holy crap. Had them. He put them in charge then. That's not like a prison of clouds that act strangely or anything. He put them there specifically.

Jack: He's not keeping them in, he's keeping everything else out.

Cristina: Yeah, protecting them from the Jehovah of Light. Yeah.

Jack: Interesting, interesting. That checks out. So then this child isn't.

Cristina: Because he'd be the snake that helped them out.

Jack: Well, no, we don't know what the f*** that snake was. That's not established yet. That's still an assumption that that's even Lucifer.

Cristina: I'm saying that it's most likely Jehovah of Dark that helped them.

Jack: You think?

Cristina: Yeah, to get them. Them to see that this light guy is alive.

Jack: Interesting. So the argument would be that Jehovah of. Yeah, cuz Lucifer was there back then. But Jehovah of Light claims Jehovah of Dark is his creation.

Cristina: He would do that.

Jack: Interesting, Interesting. He would do that.

Cristina: He's a liar.

Jack: He's a liar. Pathological liar.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And also there's an interesting philosophy as to why Jehovah of Dark couldn't just tell everybody the truth. Right. There is this ideology with proof. It's very proven before that if you suddenly change a system, it will break. You need to change it in increments. Think of how easy it was for Hitler to do what he did by changing things in increments. But think of how entire countries have collapsed because of giant changes that suddenly happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Increments is key. So from the very beginning of the stories told in the Bible, when Jehovah of Light. Really, really, really, who knows how long Jehovah of Dark was around. He summarized the beginning. Right. He's quick through it because it wouldn't make sense in the words of whatever they are.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: These clouds are somehow here before whatever the h*** humans developed. But these are ancient clouds. But we also know that because water recycles infinitely, those clouds have been up there forever. It's the same f****** clouds. There's never been new clouds. It's not enough that could happen.

Cristina: They're here. In the beginning of time, They've seen it all.

Jack: Yeah, they've seen it all, bro.

Cristina: Makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, since.

Cristina: And we know they're protecting us from the cat people, right? That's the thing.

Jack: Give a s***. No, they don't give a crap. We need their help for the cat people.

Cristina: Yeah. So that they won't do. They won't trap us like the other planets or something. We're going to convince them. Something like that.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't. I don't remember what the conflict was. The Cat People directly. I know it's an ancient battle we've been having for so long we forgot about what it's about. But, yeah, you know what? We're still winning. D***, that's crazy. This fight's been going on so long, we forgot what it's about. I have no idea what it's about. I feel. I think maybe just they're too powerful. And that's dangerous.

Cristina: Yes, that's pretty much it.

Jack: Yeah. You know, like, get rid of the problem, perhaps.

Cristina: We know they were here doing experiments, and we know we're one of them somehow.

Jack: Somehow. Well, adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Because of cat people. Yeah, somehow.

Jack: Somehow. But anyway, so Jehovah of Dark did small incremental changes. The Bible begins at that point. Hey, look. What the f*** is this? Because again, it was quick, quick, quick. And then Jehovah of Dark shows up. So there was a log being essentially kept by Jehovah of Light that he then told people to write down.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That was the point he was keeping. He was using them as their diary. You guys invented writing. How interesting. I've never considered this. So I'm gonna tell some of you to write stuff for me. Is that cool? And then. Yeah, whatever, dude. You're like a cloud thing. How interesting. Yeah, tell me what to write and I'll write it. Yeah, but there's a bunch of cloud people also that I got homies and cloud stuff.

Cristina: And you wouldn't tell them that because he wants them to believe he's the one and only.

Jack: No, no, no. He's saying that he's the. You know, the angels and s***.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, there's other cloud crap. And I'm gonna tell you about all the clouds. My cloud. I'm the king of my cloud world, and I come to tell you of these stories.

Cristina: Is he a cloud as well?

Jack: Yes, he has to be the opposite of weird Jehovah of Dark. Unless he's not and it's some creature, some totally different creature overthrew him. Because again, the Bible does try to. At least a Christian Bible makes a pretty heavy distinction between what they are. They aren't the same thing. It could also be. Well no, because we're assuming he's from the outside because I would have suggested that he's some sort of experiment created by Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: The dark.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But no, because he's from the shadow realm. That's the established idea here. He could have been involved in the bringing over and so claims like you owe me.

Cristina: I think he is a shadow. I mean he, the original one is also a cloud.

Jack: Yes, they're both clouds.

Cristina: Yes. But the other clouds are somehow different because they're shadow clouds. They drink blood and stuff. Right. So I guess.

Jack: Well, they don't need to. But they can.

Cristina: But they can. Then there's gotta be other clouds that you didn't talk about, you didn't learn about. That's probably related to this other.

Jack: Well, we know that there's the blood cloud things that are just clouds on this side that when they have adrenochrome they get all red and then they get black and then they go. They create storms and weird glitches and s***. But I don't believe. But that doesn't sound like Jehovah of.

Cristina: Dark or Light Dark.

Jack: Yeah, Jehovah of Dark is the good one from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That does not sound like him. That sounds like Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: But he's not a shadow creature or plot twist.

Jack: And I guess it would kind of check out what you were saying earlier that like it does sound like they're backwards. Maybe the original thing here was just some s***. And what we're talking about really is that Jehovah of Dark settled on humans first came from that side. Maybe it's the first thing to come over here. Then settled on humans. It was like, oh s***. And they have blood. What the f*** is this s***? Imma just settle here. And what if I. If they just don't know that there's anything outside? I could just get them breeding in here and just f****** drink their blood forever and just be set, bro. But the actually good Jehovah of Light that didn't have to settle on anybody. He's good. Why would I need to conquer anybody? Let people be. That sounds way more right. Let people be. I'm Jehovah of Light. Let people be. Why would you just lie to them? Have them volunteer? If they want to give you blood, then that's perfectly fine.

Cristina: Are you changing their names?

Jack: No, I'm saying that Jehovah of Darkness is just the one at the beginning of the Bible. That he's. It's the same idea. He somehow came from the shadow realm, but he's the one at the beginning. Jehovah of Dark is the first one we encounter.

Cristina: The shadow realm one.

Jack: The shadow realm one. He came because Jehovah of light. If he's really good, he'd have no reason just to conquer humanity. There's no beef. I'm just here and I saw creatures happen. Okay, but I've seen creatures happen. Whatever. There were dinosaurs before. I didn't give a s*** then, I don't give a s*** now.

Cristina: So he's just normal clouds.

Jack: He's normal cloud that's overpowered. He's a really overpowered cloud.

Cristina: And then the blood shadow realm cloud came and changed things. And that's when the Bible started.

Jack: The Bible? Yeah, the Bible is told from the point of view of Jehovah of light at all points. Which is why he would paint the true stories of Jehovah of Dark in there. Now it's hard to change the system again. Maybe this is the smart God again. I've been watching humanity for how long? I defeated the big bad that was corrupting them, but they already believe it. So like I said, Hitler changed it in incremental changes. So this thing knows they have how many billion years before I jumped in and stopped this creature. Which if we now think about the dating on this, I guess Akashita is the shadow realm creature. Checks out. He's the darker one. Literally the dark cloud.

Cristina: I thought he was. Oh, he is the dark cloud.

Jack: And he is a cloud that drinks blood.

Cristina: Oh, okay, now it doesn't.

Jack: He doesn't do it chaotically. But also, we're assuming that we're talking about a God who tried to establish an order and ended up with a religion. Checks out. That he wouldn't be a vicious murderer just blankly. He's creative. He's the cloud to think so smart.

Cristina: Should we be messing with him then?

Jack: I don't know, because listen to me, he got beat by Jehovah of Light. It's still the Bible we're talking about. He was just at the beginning. Regardless, when we find him, we know regardless of who's who, when we find them, they're fine. Because the second part of the Bible.

Cristina: He'S not the one protecting Adam. And Eve, it would be the light.

Jack: Jehovah of light is the one protecting. Yeah. But regardless, whatever cloud is out now is the cloud we're talking about. And that cloud is good no matter what name we give them. Is this the order of events that led to the cloud being good and which is the good cloud, what we're establishing? Because the good cloud won no matter what.

Cristina: The good cloud being the second part of the Bible.

Jack: Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: But you're saying.

Jack: Or not Jehovah of. Yeah, whatever. Does the Jehovah of Light is the second part of the Bible, no matter what?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just. How is that playing out?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or I guess not Jehovah of Light in the second part of the Bible, but sorry for the confusion.

Cristina: This is confusing. Okay, yes.

Jack: If Jehovah of Light as the second part of the Bible, then he beat Jehovah of dark at the beginning of the Bible. And that would have been Akashita being.

Cristina: The light or the dark.

Jack: The dark. The dark. Always Akashita.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Always Akashita.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that just means. That falls in line with how old the stories of Akashita are.

Cristina: So then the.

Jack: They're about.

Cristina: Yes. He's the dark. Then the light one is somewhere hidden, but he is the one hiding Adam and Eve.

Jack: Yes. So the. The series of events would go as follows. Some creature from somewhere shows up. He is this dark cloud thing. This is a new narrative. We're correcting the events of the Bible and assuming that the true creatures in the Bible we're talking about are these cloud creatures.

Cristina: Okay, so there are already clouds here. There were people here already because cat people. Then the cloud shows up from the shadow realm.

Jack: No, Cat people were here when humans were here too.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, but they made the humans and then this shadow creature.

Jack: We don't know they made the humans. We know the humans worship them.

Cristina: I thought they were experiments.

Jack: Were they. They were experimenting on humans, weren't they?

Cristina: Oh, I thought they were human. They were. They were like, science experiments. They made.

Jack: No, I don't remember that being established, but maybe we just gotta find that to be true.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Well, whatever. Okay, whatever. Humans are here. The cloud God is here. But he's not, like, trying to convince anyone.

Jack: He doesn't care. He's a cloud. And then he's seen dinosaurs happen. He saw people happen. He saw a cat God. He's whatever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which. Then we'll get to the events of Cat God leaving shortly after.

Cristina: Then the shadow realm God came.

Jack: Yes. And he then settles down and decides, I'm gonna grab these couple of people, wipe their minds or something. They're gonna just be fresh.

Cristina: Some crazy event happened that summoned him here in a way. You know, like.

Jack: Yeah. Like a supernatural rip or something that this thing snuck in.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then decided, well, this is badass. And, like, never been here before. But, like, there's resources in this realm I've never seen and I like them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'm going to take him. I don't know how he stumbled upon. He probably just chilled here for hundreds of years before he tasted blood. Right. And was like, holy. What? What? Or just saw a murder chilled there and was like, what the f***?

Cristina: Yeah. He was probably just drinking off of fear first.

Jack: Yeah. He felt it.

Cristina: I mean, he probably came here from. With fear.

Jack: Yeah. He felt it in the direction of whatever rip or thing allowed him to get here.

Cristina: Whatever was the big first thing in the Bible, which would be when God set the world on fire. He did that first. Right. Or he drowned the world first. He drowned the world, I think. And then. Which wasn't really him. The world just a giant flood came. People got scared. A lot of people got scared. This shadow came.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And he was like, I did it.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Better not do that again.

Jack: But it was. That wasn't even the first appearance.

Cristina: That wasn't.

Jack: No, the first. Because again, it's the dark shadow thing is the very first thing in the Bible. It's just that story is being told by Jehovah of light. But the events of that story are starting. So he's there from Adam and Eve. He shows up, sees Adam and Eve, and decides, I'm gonna settle here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And I'm gonna breed these things.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The flood is way later. But he's probably taking claim for everything horrible that happens with convenient timing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he can also probably cause crazy s*** because that he could. We know Akashita can. So you could cause nuts things. Weaker storms can cause massive things. We know those like tower storms that just come colossal and destroy in their path.

Cristina: But it makes no sense that there's just two people. He. Maybe he. There was some event that wiped off a bunch of people and only two were left.

Jack: Well, I think the event was caused by the Akashita. I think it was part of. Oh, it was just like, hey, I snatched these individuals up. I put them somewhere else.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That they're probably an island or some s***. That they're completely away from everything else. It's a big island. Because my plan is to mass produce Them or not an island, but he's also capable of moving through the sky, seeing where humans are settling down. And he's like, I'm gonna move them too far for them to walk out of. And also probably craft enough. I'm a landscape so that it's impossible for them to leave anyways. And I'm a breed them in there after I wipe their minds with my whatever abilities. And then Imma just tell them what the universe is, however I want so that I can breed them successfully without their resistance and extract their blood, I guess. And then at that very moment that this plan starts being hatched without directly messing with anything, he just becomes the thing. Now, I don't know. In this new narrative where the apples land, which is interesting that that's even the analogy.

Cristina: What apples?

Jack: The apple of knowledge. What's happening? If we've corrected everything else, what is happening here? Because there is something that. But then again, the lies. There's so many lies.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This tree could have been put there by Jehovah of Light, snuck in and really Jehovah dark doesn't even know which tree it is. He knows. He made trees for them to eat. And then Jehovah of light snuck one in and he's like, hey, I got a secret. Can't tell anybody.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: One of those trees. And I'm gonna tell you exactly which one. I'm pointing over there. That one. Okay. That tree over there, it has a fruit that's gonna give you your memory back. It's gonna give. It's the fruit of knowledge.

Cristina: But maybe it helps them actually see what these creatures are from the shadow realm. Maybe it helps them communicate with the shadow realm.

Jack: Well, they don't need to know that information for one reason. Once they get their memory back, they'll instantly be able to know. Well, I was living over there before I got snatched up. My memory got eradicated. Like, duh. This is an a******. H*** yeah.

Cristina: Yes. And then that's why they live in that underwater kingdom. They're protected.

Jack: Yeah. Because they do know.

Cristina: Because now they're just sea creatures now.

Jack: Yeah. After evolution or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Like, what did they tell us? They genetically modified themselves at first and then adapted gradually. But yeah. You see how the story. So the fruit was actually made by Jehovah of light, and Jehovah of Dark couldn't kill it because it's the only food he gave him. So he doesn't know which one. He's like, look, I'm gonna make other fruits over there. I gotta find the fruit. Over here. So I can't get rid of these. I gotta find it to see what he did. But I don't know. I don't. I'm experimenting over here. Don't touch these fru. Only eat those over there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because he heard that.

Cristina: He heard like he put a decoy tree or something. Like he put something over there. And he was like, nope, I gotta make sure it's. I gotta get it out.

Jack: Yeah. He's gotta get the tree out. Because he's like, I know the son of a b**** puts a tree in there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I need these fruits because it's gonna do whatever the h*** I want. I put my power into it. And I can't just destroy the trees. But this a****** also put his power into his tree and I need to get his tree out. But he made it look like my trees. And now I don't know what's going on. So go to those trees until I tell you which of these trees you could eat from.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, look, you can get all your memories back. All your memories back. Think about it. You can. You can see. You understand What I'm just telling you is crap. You need to know.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. I think this story makes sense. Sort of totally works out.

Jack: It totally checks out. So now the narrative is shifted. Jehovah of Dark is the beginning. The first. But he was not the original one here. He was just here before we were. But Jehovah of Light was definitely here long before Jehovah of Dark. He just happens to be the second part of the Bible.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. Yes.

Jack: So this cloud is chilling. Akashita somehow, following the scent of fear, crosses the threshold from the shadow realm.

Cristina: The dinosaurs dying. There you go. That's the solution. That's a big enough event that would create so much fear. Even if it's not human fear. Even if it's not human.

Jack: Human fear have the strongest heat.

Cristina: It's the Mount.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah. No, you're totally right. I think you solved it. Right. Because it has to be an event that so drastically shifts everything.

Cristina: Horrifying.

Jack: Yes. That is. She just manifests. And he's a. What the f***? Where am I? Or it's the first rip between this specific. Because there has to be many different real.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: This just happens to be the one we found. But why? Because an event that just happens, like tearing a hole through one universe and landing on another. We just tore a hole through a realm which works differently than traversing space.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so this event. Meteor hits the first instance of life. And as it gets closer, the temperature starts to drastically go up. They're just animals, but it starts to get really. And there's a lot of them starts to get really, really hot. A bunch of them start to go crazy and attack each other. They start to go into a panicked frenzy, freaking the f*** out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the fear only goes up and up as it literally starts to hurt, as they start to boil alive. And somewhere in some whole other realm, this creature with enough power chilling somewhere in is like. What the. Is that?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is it a smell? Is it a taste or whatever the works over there, you know, the equivalent of a smell or taste?

Cristina: It could be. I don't know.

Jack: No, it's. It's something else. Because he's detecting it across realms.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, yes, yes. He's sensing the fear and the blood somehow.

Jack: The fear. The fear. The fear's in the blood. That's why the blood matters.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You can just get more fury in the blood because it gets stuck there and it collects into a lot of it. But yes, before he got that far, he was. He was like, whoa, whoa, dude, I don't know what it is, but I want it. And he just followed it. But again, the event was so catastrophic that there was a peak moment between the. The height of the fear and the impact that tore something and then connected the two.

Cristina: Okay, wait, he's the bad one or the good one?

Jack: Akashita is the bad one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Then the tear happens, and Akashita can then come through following the fear.

Cristina: Okay. Because then Jesus doesn't make sense anymore because we know he was putting on up gates everywhere to go to the shadow realm, so. And he likes blood.

Jack: The shadow realm is in heaven.

Cristina: No, that wouldn't make Jesus. Akashita.

Jack: No, the shadow realm is not heaven.

Cristina: He was putting up gates to the shadow Realm. Right, Jesus.

Jack: To stop people from going to the bad place?

Cristina: No, to get the creatures from the shadow realm into here.

Jack: He was putting up gates.

Cristina: Like open portals. He was putting up.

Jack: Oh, he was opening.

Cristina: Opening gates. There you go.

Jack: Yes. Okay, now I get what you're saying. He was opening things, Opening gates. Jesus was Jesus?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't remember. But it was also happening in Japan was one of the places where he was just putting a bunch of. You were telling us the story of this. You don't remember?

Jack: Yeah, I kind of do.

Cristina: It was Jesus in Japan, where they are the ones that sing this. God, who's really God? I guess.

Jack: Wait, you're talking about Akashita?

Cristina: Not Jesus. No. Jesus was doing well, Both of them come from Japan. In this story, he's a Japanese creature. The.

Jack: Oh, my God. No, yeah, I understand. I remember. I remember.

Cristina: Was made a bunch of temples in Japan.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, but yeah, that story is total nonsense. And that isn't happening.

Cristina: How do you know?

Jack: Well, we're. We were reconfiguring the story. That's the whole point here. If some of these things then others not. And we'd have to work that into what's really happening rather than just say, well, everything else changes. That's not changing. Why isn't that part changing? Why are those gates to the shadow realm? And why is that information maybe not wrong or maybe why isn't that not Jesus? And in fact, maybe somebody else.

Cristina: Okay, you get my point. That's not Jesus.

Jack: Well, here's a very interesting thing that we're not considering. In the middle of these stories, the Bible confirms Jesus dies and the story is told by Jehovah of Light. Also the moment Jehovah, because we can figure this. Or again, the moment Jehovah of light got rid of Jehovah of Dark and then settled as well. I can't instantly change it. I gotta incrementally change it. One of his incremental changes was, but I'm gonna f*** that lady. So, like, that was just something he's like, okay, look, been here for a while fixing s***. Can I just, like, put it in that one? That's it. Let's say I just want her to have. Then again, maybe he doesn't do that. Maybe it's not an attraction. Maybe it's like, I want one of me down there. I want to see what that's like. I'm not hurting anybody. I'm not gonna hurt anybody. He hasn't hurt anybody since the middle of the Bible.

Cristina: I don't know. It could still be the Jehovah of Dark. Like, he didn't change any story to say, no, this was me. No, this was that other guy who's just like me. Like, no, he put all of the stories together saying all of it's me, even though some of those are not him. So how do you know that that's him or not?

Jack: Well, based on your logic, he could be either or.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, it's fine.

Jack: I'm assuming the or.

Cristina: Okay, well, yeah, but still, there's a possibility that.

Jack: Yeah, it's a coin toss at this point. Yeah, but assuming he is, then he would be the. Yeah, he's just the Jehovah of Light. But that guy died. And that guy having died, then we have a story like Jesus putting up gates, but that happened way later when it shouldn't have been possible. What if the point of assuring us he's dead and I'll factually let you know when he's back. You're not gonna have a doubt. But then a Jesus shows up and puts up gates and people are like, well, maybe he's Jesus and it's because maybe the diminished again. Hey, Jehovah of dark made this child. Maybe it is Jehovah's dark child. Maybe that's true and that's why he's up there putting gates to the shadow realm. Because the second one that we see is not the original Jehovah.

Cristina: You mean?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This new Jesus that much later just pops up ignoring the logic of his death.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And starts putting up gates to the shadow realm is really just Jehovah of dark doing that.

Cristina: And he's the one, though, that's working with the churches that creates demons to slay demons.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because blood or whatever. And it's not really demons at this point. We're just calling demons chimeras. I mean, we're calling Chimeras demons because they're just making a science experiment that can experience a certain amount of fear and kill it.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Yeah. And sometimes they're summoning shadow realm creatures just to kill us.

Jack: Yes. They're. They're trying. They're. They're making fear experiments.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I guess the breed the most fearful thing in farm it.

Cristina: Mm. That's pretty horrible.

Jack: And genius. Simultaneous. It's like the darkest s*** you get. Because the life of that thing sucks more than anything that could ever possibly exist. Its existence is based on being probably briefly completely horrified and then dying.

Cristina: Yes. And other people that interact with it have pretty horrible lives. Like they like drinking the child's blood and stuff like that. Like it's pretty horrible. It's like random families get attacked by these creatures, but these creatures were sent to them by the church so that this family could call the church to get rid of this creature.

Jack: S***. So they get the family's fear and they get the creatures fear and the creature fills up on the family.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's a siphon that they made that they'll come get rid of for you.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: S***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Checks out. Totally checks out. That is the most believable story I have ever heard about the church, hands down.

Cristina: That's so crazy. That reminds me of the Chupacabra. But yes, it's Almost the same thing.

Jack: Yeah, it. Except the Chupacabra comes from a different dimension or some s***. Right. It's like a God from somewhere else.

Cristina: He's from the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Well, no, he was an alien or something.

Cristina: He was an alien?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But he also works with Shadow Realm magic or whatever.

Jack: He did pop up. Are we just saying that? No, because they have to. Why did it come through space? It would have just popped up here. Well, maybe other creatures fear. Fear. Feel fear outside of this region. And it was just there.

Cristina: Like it popped up somewhere else from the Shadow Realm and then came here.

Jack: Yeah. So then the real question is because. Yeah, there's s*** everywhere.

Cristina: S*** out there.

Jack: But then the real question is, and this is very interesting, if these creatures are popping up elsewhere, what major event happened that allowed it to detect us from wherever the f*** it was? It then started its trip this way over here. Yeah. To Earth. So it is from the Shadow Realm, but it made an alien trip?

Cristina: I don't know. I think that that dinosaur explosion thing was pretty huge.

Jack: Like, you think the Chupacabra showed up around the time of the dinosaurs?

Cristina: Well, it was probably traveling while during that time. And who knows how long it actually took to get.

Jack: Because it's traversing space.

Cristina: Yeah, like, space is huge.

Jack: You think? No, no, no. It couldn't be the dinosaur event, because it would have shown up in this area. That's. Did you see the problem? Something brought it elsewhere. Oh, I see. It was already out here before. And then the event of dinosaurs was like, oh, crap, I'm headed that way.

Cristina: Yes, that's.

Jack: And then by the time it got.

Cristina: Here, because I'm sure the thing that happened to the dinosaurs happens on other planets. Like, those things will be summoning who knows what.

Jack: So it summoned whatever locally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then some crap happened elsewhere, which is over here.

Cristina: I gotta check that out.

Jack: They look our way and they come over here. And then we get something. It shows up. It took so long from the time of dying, but it was so. It was like, how magnificent. Whatever I just sensed.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It was like whatever brought me. And I'm here for that, so I'm gonna go look for that. And so it's in who knows how far away that it took it from the point the meteor hit to 1960, like seven or something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To pop up.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy. But it's possible.

Jack: Intrigue. It totally is. Because it's. It's no longer like.

Cristina: I know there's other events, but nothing compared to that, at least.

Jack: Well, here's another way. Interesting point. The gaps of these crazy activities with godlike creatures is sometimes ginormous. But these colossal events we report bring them back. And that checks out even in the Bible. God only warns one guy about the flood. But after the flood, God talks to a bunch of people.

Cristina: It's more energy.

Jack: Why? It's because different gods at different points, right? All of these. And we're talking about these evil, like, do crazy s*** gods, Jehovah of dark type of things. Those events in almost all mythologies in which these conversations happen all happen when, in times of distress. When is the moment that a God is most likely to show up? There's something bad happening, and you directly asked for it. You're like, God, please help. My people are in trouble. They are suffering, they are slaved. And then God decides, holy s***, did this guy just, like, volunteer? He's like a vampire dream come true, bro. Okay, hey, hey, hey. Look, look, look. Guide your people this way. They're gonna be chasing you. But I can hold him off. And he's just being dramatic. You know, there's like, for flair here. He's being dramatic also.

Cristina: He's enjoying it because, like, he murders those people.

Jack: Chasing them, yes. But also he's gonna pick out some of them. He's. Yo, you're telling me there's gonna be a dramatic. Yeah, exactly. He is.

Cristina: Like, he just feeds them, like, barely enough to survive.

Jack: Yeah, it's gonna get bleak, but it's. Oh, I'm all in here.

Cristina: Yeah, the darker it is alive, but it's gonna suck.

Jack: Yeah, the darker it is, the more likely God is to show up, the more likely Jehovah of Dark is to pop up. He doesn't even have to be the reason it's dark. But if it's gonna get dark, he shows up. Jehovah of light, whether it's dark or not. Look, this is your human affairs. I don't expect you to meddle in my cloud affairs. I'm not gonna meddle in your human affairs.

Cristina: Yeah, this makes sense.

Jack: Objective.

Cristina: Okay, Whoa, whoa. That makes sense.

Jack: Checks out. And that Jesus event that happened so much later was, you know, Jehovah of dark. Maybe not dead, but some. I guess maybe he is that because that's his kid. But he maybe death to something from the shadow realm that has had blood is also just go back to the shadow Realm. Something about blood, adrenal chrome specifically brings you to the shadow Realm. And there's a connection there we don't understand. But something about it takes you there. But Fear can be detected from that side.

Cristina: And fear is like, you just come back here.

Jack: Well, no, not even the point that even if he's removed over there and tossed into the shadow realm, what is his son trying to do? His son is trying. Well, that other fake, not the one that is by Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Definitely just banged the chick. The dude putting up the portals. Him just using a dirty trick, being like, hey, I'm the guy from the thing. I'm putting the things up. Come to heaven. Yeah, yeah, heaven.

Cristina: Come here when you're sad.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Come here, guys. It's all good. Then these shrines, these portals, allow creatures from over there to then show up. And probably he can't generate a meteor. He doesn't have that level of power. He needs to create enough fear, generally speaking, that perhaps allows his father through at some point. But systematically, Jehovah of Light picks at him. So science is slowly dominating the old mythology that he established. Because, again, Jehovah of Light is not gonna just break it. He knows it breaks. He's seen how humans function.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He knows systems. He's been around. And so he's like, I can't just change it. He's doing the Hitler small incremental changes. This way, he doesn't really care if.

Cristina: We follow him or not.

Jack: He doesn't care. He doesn't give a s***. He's like, whatever. I'm just gonna try to get them out of thinking that that thing was cool.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Once they're done with that, I don't care what they fall into. But in slowly working us out of there, we're getting to where we should have been maybe way long ago.

Cristina: Yes. This makes sense.

Jack: Yes. And so the portals are less functional and less functional. And that's why over the years, we've had less creature sightings and less creature sightings, because little by little, it's just an extinguishment of creatures surviving off of fear.

Cristina: Also, more and more aliens, which makes sense because of the Chupacabra that we just talked about. Like, maybe there are still creatures.

Jack: Yes. Because the ones we're getting rid of them stuff are from here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But the creatures that sensed that one major event are still on their way. And they're arriving at random times because they show they left from random places at random distances.

Cristina: Yes. That's so crazy.

Jack: And who knows how far they detected it. And they could still be coming.

Cristina: They couldn't. So we won't get rid of them super fast, but we're. We're Slowly getting rid of them.

Jack: Space Force makes sense to protect us from them. Yes. We need to contact. That makes perfect sense. This needs to be set up for when the really big scary s*** shows up. We're assuming that what we've seen is not because we know that stars are real. So what's the big scary s*** that's on the other side? That's kind of like a star?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So we need Space Force really fast.

Cristina: We gotta still figure out this cat people thing.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz now we kind of need stars. Because there's probably some opposite thing. Of course, no amount of fear will ever bring that over.

Cristina: No, no, I don't think so.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Because if the great void isn't big enough, like what the f*** could be. Like that fear isn't it? All those stars feel horror.

Cristina: Unless it's in there as well.

Jack: Unless they don't feel anything or they don't feel emotions. The way that fear could happen, you know, like because they're other thing.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like Jehovah of Light isn't like giving a s*** about fear. There's no emotion, doesn't care. It's like whatever. So fear is biological.

Cristina: What about all those other gods that seem to have emotions? Or are they not?

Jack: They're probably just creatures from Earth.

Cristina: Oh yes. Or Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: No, Shadow Realm creatures don't have emotions. Oh well, you know what?

Cristina: It could be creatures on Earth. No, no.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures could definitely have emotions. I just blanket statement that in a total guess. I don't know.

Cristina: But it could be creatures from Earth that had adrenochrome.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Because that also makes them godlike.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's a lot of weird things, man. So okay, anyways. Anyways. I think we grounded a lot of humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I think it worked out. And on that note, we're running out of time.

Cristina: So.

Jack: So definitely sounds way more accurate, right?

Cristina: I think so. I think it makes sense now. All of it.

Jack: All of it.

Cristina: So then there's something else. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, we solved it. We gotta look for Jehovah of Light, who's the one still around. And he's just highly disinterested because human affairs. But now it's not just human affairs because we can prove it's not. So this is not about convincing anybody. We were thinking we were chasing Akashita. And we're not chasing Akashita. We're looking for Jehovah of Light. His good Counterpart who was here all along.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We're looking for somebody, the people that the Westerners consider already a God. He's probably in the United States somewhere. North America.

Cristina: Santa Claus. Okay, I think we got it. We gotta talk to Santa Claus.

Jack: That's fair. That thing. But look, he's. No, I can't be. It doesn't sound like either of the gods we're talking about are that overpowered. It can't be. It can't be. It's too much. It's too strong. On the okay argument, you might be right with this next point. On the flip side, Jehovah of Dark's influence was very small. But Jehovah of Light again has been around for a long time. I also don't know why he would get stronger though. So unless we can prove that there's an equivalent of adrenochrome that he can use, that isn't what Akashita was using, which was blood and fear then doesn't check out. No.

Cristina: You talk about God or Santa Claus.

Jack: Yeah, he couldn't become that overpowered. I'm assuming there has to be something that powers up a God without it being or powers up a creature like adrenochrome without it being adrenochrome and not being fear based. That then allowed him to put level up to being Jehovah without interfering with humans. I mean not become Jehovah to become Santa Claus without otherwise. The Jehovah of Light we're talking about, which is some sort of cloud and Santa Claus cannot be the same thing because the power levels we're talking about are so colossally different. Unless he's like, yeah, I'm a drink their blood too. Which I doubt he does because all of that ended as soon as Jehovah of Dark is. Is missing. So it can't be. Doesn't check out. I think Santa Claus is just really some other Santa Claus doesn't mess with s*** either.

Cristina: That's so Jehovah Light though.

Jack: But he's also not a cloud. He doesn't chill in the clouds. In fact, it chills relatively low as compared to the clouds. He's pretty ground level, you know, just lower than the plane, actually.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: You don't see him so far away. He's like pretty close. He could like, wow, are those f****** reindeers I'm looking at. If he was at a plane's distance, even at a helicopter's distance, you wouldn't be able to make out s***. You're like, what the f*** am I Looking at. But no, he's so low. He looks like a flying car. Yeah, low flying plane.

Cristina: Whatever. We'll figure it out.

Jack: Yeah, he's nowhere near the height of a cloud on average.

Cristina: Yeah. Or we'll figure out how they're connected eventually.

Jack: Yeah. Maybe there is a power source. We do know that there's that other force that everything is connected to. AKA the force that everything is connected to. Maybe things on the other side aren't connected to that. Maybe things on this side are. And so they can somehow learn the feed off of that different ways. Because we know humans can. Humans can do things in weird ways and creatures can. And anything with powers is pulling from that source. So there must be a way to tap into that source because it's not adrenochrome and replicate that level of growth. Somehow in this instant, Jehovah of Light can siphon the energy becoming Santa Claus. We can prove that.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Then Jehovah of Light is Santa Claus.

Cristina: Alright, I hope we can. I hope we can.

Jack: Anyways, anyways. Anyways, anyways. You guys can find us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and TikTok at JustCar. Vote Pod.

Cristina: Yes. And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And let some people who might like us to know about it, you know, tell them words. Speak.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Type of liquor. Legume.

Cristina: Legume.

Jack: Legumes.

Cristina: Legions.

Jack: Legume.

Cristina: Legume. I don't know. Have ever. You. Have you ever heard someone say that word?

Jack: Like. No, I've never. Do you know how many words I know perfectly reading that I've never heard in my life?

Cristina: But how do you know you're reading them perfectly?

Jack: I don't. I'm hoping I'm doing it right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I see so many things that sound wrong because of all the different. Like I can't position it properly because I've never heard it. And there's a million variants of sounds that I've heard in my life.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So I don't even know if I'm gonna say it with an accent or not. If I'm saying it for the first time because I have no point of reference.

Cristina: Yeah. So you could be wrong.

Jack: I could totally be wrong. A bunch of words have odd accents when I say them and it's because I've never heard them said.

July 16, 2022

Rambling 184: Solving Future Sight Paradox

July 16, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Should the show have a new tagline? Could we see into the future and predict what tagline we will land on? Can we alter that future? The duo decide to unpack the changing of a three year old tagline and how it could have dire paradoxical consequences throughout time.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

New Show Tagline Suggestions
Future Sight Paradox
Singular Timeline
Altering Time
Never Predicting Death
Who are the prophets?

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: That seemed really long.

Jack: Does it seem short if I say it slower? This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. Is that pretty long?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What should be our tagline? Listeners should submit a tagline.

Cristina: No, no, no.

Jack: Look, look. Listen to me, people. Listen to me.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Fine. Just convopod on Instagram and send it. Just.

Cristina: Just send it.

Jack: Just send us your tagline.

Cristina: I hope they just write the same thing. I hope it doesn't change.

Jack: You think they're gonna. Or variants of it? What if they come up with variants of. This is a show where we grant humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Oh, that's cool.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Like other shows tagline.

Jack: Okay, okay, look. Fair. Fair enough. Fair enough. So then I'm gonna make a rule right now, and we have to obey the rule. Now, if they send us a tagline, we have to use it for that episode.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So we have to use the tagline at the beginning no matter what. No matter what the f*** they send us all in the condition that's our. That's us being bound, but only in the condition that they send it from an account that is not just made to send it. Like, they have to leave because we're gonna credit. So whoever says it is gonna be linked to whatever they said.

Cristina: Okay. So if they are stealing, at least people know.

Jack: Yeah, people know.

Cristina: This is them.

Jack: Yeah. So if you. If you listen to the show, if you want to send us a tagline. You guys heard the rule. If you send it from an account that is not a fake account, and it's not an account just for this, but, like, has real person behind it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And you give us a tagline. Just send us a message letting us know it's a tagline. Then we will use that tagline by default, regardless of what it says.

Cristina: So I hope we get a bunch of submissions.

Jack: Yeah, that'd be amazing. That'd be amazing. Who knows how often it'll change? Maybe we'll like one of those a lot and we'll just have a whole new tagline forever. That would be interesting. Well, but what should it be? What should it be right now? This is the show. Yeah, this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: This is the show.

Jack: This is. Oh, I like that. This is the show.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack. This is the show.

Cristina: That's so dumb. No, I don't like it.

Jack: I love it. That sounds so accurate.

Cristina: This is the Rambling Podcast. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. This is the Rambling Podcast.

Jack: Welcome. Ooh, I like that too. Welcome to the show. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. This is the Rambling Podcast. That's like. Welcome to Good Burger, home of the Good Burger. Can I take your order?

Cristina: Oh, yes. Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. This is the Rambling. That's too confusing.

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. This is the Rambling Podcast.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: No, we'll figure it out. They'll send that to us. We'll send it to us.

Cristina: Please, someone send us that one. That's great.

Jack: Yeah. What do you predict they're gonna send us?

Cristina: probably something from someone else's show. I don't know. We speak to interesting people or whatever the Comedy Bang Bang one was.

Jack: Nah, because now you're putting the idea in their mind.

Cristina: Oh, of course.

Jack: Now that's the first place they're gonna go find them.

Cristina: Well, if they saw. They hear other shows, they've heard different taglines. Maybe I gave them that idea.

Jack: But you gave them the idea to s***** a tagline.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. Maybe they didn't even consider those things. Taglines.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Like, they weren't even thinking about other shows. They were just focused on this show entirely and promoted a bunch of other people.

Cristina: Oh, well, I guess that's fine. I don't know. It's like, is it wrong to share no other podcasts? I don't know.

Jack: It is absolutely not wrong.

Cristina: If you listen to our podcast, I hope you listen to other podcasts. I don't know. Unless we're the only ones you listen to. That's interesting.

Jack: That'd be dope. I wonder if there's anybody like that.

Cristina: It just listens to our show.

Jack: Yeah. Anyways, outside of that. And who gives a crap about other podcasts? If they were to invent attack line, what do you predict it would say.

Cristina: Or tell us to say if they listen to our show? I hope it involves woke tacos.

Jack: That's old listeners.

Cristina: Yeah, that's true. That's true.

Jack: That's old. That's old stuff right there.

Cristina: Yeah, well, we know they're a true listener.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: If they talk about the woke tacos.

Jack: That we make I wonder how deep into the woke tacos they go. Like, there's. There's. There's some that it's loose. It's across many episodes and only shreds and pieces about what and how.

Cristina: And how.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All together. There's. There's a couple of pieces. How did we get the woke tacos? Is a question. You can answer me.

Cristina: I don't.

Jack: And yes, you can answer it.

Cristina: Yes. But I just remember. Oh, yeah, I know.

Jack: Yes, what and where could be answered. But I won't, because then they'll just tell us to say stuff relative to that.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah, man.

Cristina: But it's made special. I can remember that. I just won't share what. How they're made, but they're very special.

Jack: It is with love. It's just with love.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Also heartbreak.

Cristina: Yeah. But I won't go through that.

Jack: I wonder if. Okay, okay. Weird tagline prediction thing, right? Let's say somebody knows what we're going to say as the future tagline. They only see forward in the future as to what is gonna be our new tagline, and they picture it. Then they come and they tell us to say the tagline. Now, in a scenario where I get a coin from an old lady at the supermarket, she gave me the wrong coin. It's from her country. Now I have a unique coin.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I go, I shop, and I give the coin. That guy then hands a coin. Coin's moving around, and one person then hands. I guess, let's say me, cut off the transactions of the. The old lady gives me the rare coin. I have the coin. I then time travel and hand it to a person. That person then gives it to the old lady by going back in time, and the old lady gives it to me. Now, the coin exists, trapped with us. Yes, that's perfectly fine. This coin is trapped inside of a moment. But the person who. The reason it's trapped inside of the moment is because it was extracted from the moment. You know, in the case of us saying the thing because the guy told us to say the thing, but he saw say the thing, but he was never the original person to say the thing.

Cristina: So are you saying he's a time traveler?

Jack: I don't know. I'm not bothering with that part of it, ultimately. Just asking, where does the phrase come from? Then if he. He saw in the future, but like future sight, not literally travel to the future inside. There was no physical transaction.

Cristina: He was in the current time from his imagination.

Jack: But no, we were gonna say it.

Cristina: He didn't really know in this scenario. He really knows, then he's seeing into the future.

Jack: I don't. I'm not asking whether. I'm telling you he's seeing into the future. I know he's seeing into the future. I'm telling you factually he's seeing into the future. That was never up.

Cristina: And he got it. We got it from him.

Jack: Well, no, because he knew we were gonna say it already, but he didn't.

Cristina: Know where we got it from. That doesn't mean, like, unless he knew we were good. Like, how does he not. Like he doesn't know that he gave it to us?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Saying it.

Jack: No, no, no. This is. This is great. Totally. Totally fine. Totally fine. The problem is, how the h*** did he get it in the first place to say it if he needed to hear it from him who didn't know.

Cristina: It because he's in a time loop. Okay. Yes. Okay. Because he said. I don't know.

Jack: He said it, but he didn't know it. He only learned it when he said it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You see how broken that is?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess he only said it because he.

Cristina: He told us to say it because he heard us say it.

Jack: But because he told us to say it.

Cristina: He told us to say it. Yes.

Jack: Which means. Yeah, he couldn't have told us because he didn't know. But he only knew by hearing it from us. But he had to tell us for us to know.

Cristina: But he doesn't know that. Like, unless.

Jack: No, no, no, he doesn't. Bothering again with the detail. That doesn't matter. All that matter, what he wants or none of that matters. Who cares? Throw him to the curbside. All that matters is he told us to say it because he heard us say it. But he would have had to tell us to say it for us to say it in the first place. For him to hear it, but because he could have never told us to say it before hearing it. Because he got the idea by hearing us say it. He only saw into the future.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then got the idea because. Oh, I'm gonna be the one to suggest he says it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But maybe he was always though. He was. In fact, he was always great, fantastic, whatever. But he then tells us to say the thing in travel through time or any. He just saw into the future. He didn't create a literal time paradox that has us traveling. We've all existed in the same exact time this entire moment. All he had was a little cheat sheet, and he knew what we would say. Yes, but he told us.

Cristina: Yeah, but he doesn't. I don't understand. Because he didn't know who told us anyway, so it doesn't really change anything.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: You're gonna say it no matter what.

Jack: No, if that doesn't. No, no, I guess, yeah, we're gonna say no matter what. My question is that. Which is also not even up for debate. Of course we are gonna say no matter what. That's a problem. My question is, where does the phrase come from? It could not have been him.

Cristina: It could be from anyone. I don't know. Because if he didn't tell us, maybe someone else would have told us.

Jack: No, because we only know because he told us.

Cristina: But he doesn't know that.

Jack: I'm telling you that it doesn't matter what he knows.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: I am telling you that he told us.

Cristina: He told us originally.

Jack: Yeah, we only know about it because he told us. Because he told us.

Cristina: I don't know. Well, then what was the point of seeing in the future? I don't know.

Jack: So he hears the show.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Has his old school boombox just sitting there, turns the knob with the volume up, and it literally clicks. It goes. Every time he turns, and the volume just clicks a little higher. Like, you can't really tune it. You more of a, like, clock. And now it's a little, like, suddenly a little loud.

Cristina: Is that how it works?

Jack: No idea. But we're assuming old. So you're turning in a clock. Clock, clock. Volume is getting louder. Boombox. He's listening, and he's listening to us talking. He's like, oh, taglines. Cool, Cool. I'm into this idea. I got. I got a pen and paper to send some suggestions. And so he grabs his. His plume and he grabs his old rustic page.

Cristina: I'm confused about this time period.

Jack: And he's like a tagline for the rambling podcast. Yes, of course. But then he's like, wait a minute, Wait a minute. I must sit, close my eyes, touch my temples, and visualize where they are right now.

Cristina: But the thing is, like, what if it still came from him, but like a version of him who didn't look into the future? Like, couldn't that be a thing? Like, he just thinks about it. Like, he's thinking about it now, but without the future sight.

Jack: No, because now you're talking.

Cristina: Just think about it.

Jack: Now you're talking about an entirely different universe worth of s*** is interacting, acting.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because a different version of him, that's a whole other reality. No, we're talking. There's no.

Cristina: He never time traveled Then what is he doing then? It's not time traveling.

Jack: There's no time travel. All he does is see into the future. Okay, this is one trick.

Cristina: But even if he didn't see into the future, he might have thought of the idea. That's not impossible.

Jack: But that stops making sense.

Cristina: Why? If it's his own idea?

Jack: No, it can't. It can't because. No, listen to me. Listen to me. Because we're seeing the events in which he got the information. We're seeing how he figured the information out. Which is he looked into the future, received that. There's no other him I've talked about. There's just that him.

Cristina: But if he were not to see into the future, would he have not come up with the same exact idea?

Jack: No. Maybe he would have thought, like, blicklebarp is the best tagline ever.

Cristina: I don't think so. I don't know. It makes sense that he would just come up with it anyways. If he was meant to tell us. He was meant to tell us. It wouldn't have mattered whether he saw into the future or whether he thought it himself, because he was gonna tell us either way. It was gonna happen.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because that's just how the timeline works, isn't it?

Jack: I don't know. Is this back to the future?

Cristina: Yes. Is that how it works? I don't know.

Jack: No, I don't think. I don't think he was necessarily always meant to tell us, although he did.

Cristina: We were supposed to hear no matter what. Like we were supposed.

Jack: Like we're gonna get it. I'm not.

Cristina: No matter what.

Jack: No matter what. That's not up for the baby.

Cristina: Has nothing to do with him telling us.

Jack: It has nothing to or. Yes. No. He always tells us.

Cristina: If he does, then, yeah, he could have probably some, but I haven't mentioned.

Jack: No, I'm showing you the events and how he got them. I'm telling you how he acquired the information. How he got it isn't up for debate. No, listen to me. How he got it is enough for debate.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: What we receive is enough for the debate. How we react is enough for the debate. The facts of the matter. Anything physical happening within this world and only this one world.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Not up for debate. The question posed, and the only thing that should be focused on to answer is where did the tagline come from? Everything else is irrelevant from him.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Could not be. Because he needed to know it to.

Cristina: Tell us, and he did.

Jack: Right. But then he only knew it because he heard Us say it.

Cristina: But we don't know that he could have come up with it on his own. We don't know that either.

Jack: I'm telling you it didn't. Because we saw him. How he got acquired the information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. We saw the event.

Cristina: Yeah. But we also know that we hear it no matter what.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So it comes from him no matter what.

Jack: We don't know that part. That's literally the one thing we do not have the answer to. Because although we only see the instances in which one passes it to the other, we have no in between moments.

Cristina: Okay, so someone else could have given us it originally, then. And then he heard that. That's the other option.

Jack: That's. I guess. Yes, that would solve it to some degree.

Cristina: Because then he tells us. But then that's just. That's the changing.

Jack: He changed the events by looking into the future.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then that's where he got it. And he created a weird bubble thing.

Cristina: Okay. But yeah, we could have gotten it from anyone else.

Jack: We're not even a bubble, really. Well, no, the problem is we know he gave it to them. Yeah, yeah. No, no, he did give it to us.

Cristina: F*** no. In the future we don't. I mean, did he hear us say this is a new tagline and this is.

Jack: Yes. Cuz his name is in it.

Cristina: Yeah. So was it his name that he heard or was it someone else's name?

Jack: Interesting. It was his name, I suppose.

Cristina: What?

Jack: No, I can't. That's crazy. No, because that does change everything. Let's say it did have his name. So. Okay, blurgoblop. As said by Bob. And then he looks into the future and he's like, Blue Girl, Bob is said by Bob.

Cristina: Then he says, I'm Bob.

Jack: Okay, So I should be saying this anyways. That was my suggestion. This was my original suggestion.

Cristina: Then it was from him.

Jack: Well, he's saying it's my original suggestion because he looked into the future and saw.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That we say Burger Bop by Bob.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he's like, oh, I came up with it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What? I just heard them say that tagline, Burgle bop. I made it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Oh. So I'm gonna tell them anyways. I don't have to sit here and come up with anything because I heard me say it.

Cristina: Exactly right.

Jack: Except if this is how it happened. And he's like, well, I don't have to do anything to come up with it because this is what I already say.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Where did it come up with if he didn't even sit There. And think about it. He didn't try to come up with it. We saw him.

Cristina: Version of him. Who came up with it.

Jack: No, we saw the one version of him. He looked into the future to see the one timeline he's in the.

Cristina: So that's just.

Jack: Oh, do you see? He looked into the future to see the one timeline he's in. There's no other timelines. There's only this reality. He hasn't time traveled. He hasn't yet branched off anywhere. I solved that problem at the beginning. All he did was look to his own future.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And he saw Burgle Bop by Bob.

Cristina: I don't know. It still comes from him, I guess. I don't know. It's weird. It's weird because he says it. It's by him.

Jack: Yeah. Which means he said yes, he told us.

Cristina: But he only gets it from thinking about it in the future. I don't know. That's complicated. Like, what was. Like, if he didn't look into the future, would he not have told them? That's. I guess. Then what's. Really.

Jack: Yeah, the line would have been different, Right?

Cristina: Would it have been.

Jack: If he didn't have the ability to look into the future, he would have just said something different because he would have never heard Purple Pop.

Cristina: I don't know. Because that. Why? Like, that doesn't make sense. He would have said the same thing. It just doesn't.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. It does. It. What doesn't make sense is that he would say the same thing if he only said it originally because he saw. He heard himself say it. We just haven't discovered where this thing came from. First we know it's floating in here. We don't know where it came from. It's quite the problematic paradox, because if he did decide, I'm not gonna look into the future.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he does say something different. Bloggle. Bloggle. I don't know why this guy speaks in totally, ridiculously incoherent gibberish, but this is his thing, you know? It's super funny to everybody around him.

Cristina: He thinks it's hilarious.

Jack: He thinks it's hilarious.

Cristina: You can talk English, though.

Jack: Perfect. He's a scholar. Harvard graduate, doctorate. His language.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Savage. Savage at what he does. And then this is how he jokes around because he's a language doctor, which means language is what he finds funniest.

Cristina: That's pretty horrible. Okay, so he says burgle Bob.

Jack: He's like, based on the rules, he's probably super nerdy joke, too. Like Burgle Bob. Hahaha. Because in based on the rules of language, that sentence makes sense.

Cristina: No, I don't think. Okay, maybe. Who knows?

Jack: May. There's probably language that does. That has the perfect combination of rules and like things that if you say burgle bop you got a complete sentence or a statement that's totally coherent or at least structurally sound.

Cristina: I gotta see if it makes sense to a Sims character.

Jack: Go blog oblige.

Cristina: They sound very similar to that. So they might get it. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, they sound really special, dude.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Her go bloggle beagle.

Cristina: But they get each other.

Jack: Yeah. And sometimes. Yeah, they do, I guess. Because simoleons a real language in theory. When we could learn it's the same rules of English. It's just letters are swapped in and out.

Cristina: It sounds awful though.

Jack: It's really weird. Bloggle diggle.

Cristina: Oh man. Okay. That's our language. I hope Duolingo gets it. I'll learn it through the lingo.

Jack: That's cool. We should learn Klingon.

Cristina: Klingon. That's not a nice language.

Jack: Ugly. Oh, so ugly.

Cristina: Ugh. Yeah. Let's learn. I don't know.

Jack: So ugly.

Cristina: So ugly.

Jack: Oh God. Oh, so nasty, bro.

Cristina: Yeah, their faces. They're the least attractive. Aliens. Yeah, or one of them. No, the little shirt guys with the money.

Jack: Oh, the Ferengi. This is all from Star Trek. For anybody who isn't nerdy enough to know what the f*** you're talking about.

Cristina: I'm not nerdy enough?

Jack: No, it is nerdy.

Cristina: Nerdy.

Jack: No, no.

Cristina: Nerdy.

Jack: Nerd. Nerdy is ones and zeros. And geeky is like superheroes and superpowers and like Dungeons and Dragons and Geeks.

Cristina: So where did Bob get it?

Jack: I don't know, bro. Cuz it looks. He got it from hearing us say it. And then when he didn't look into the future to hear what we say and recommend it, he said something different. And we said that and we said the different thing. Oh s***. No, we ended up saying because he saw the future.

Cristina: Exactly. And you said there's only one timeline. So we have to say no matter what.

Jack: So we have to say it no matter what. So then somebody else must. Somebody else must recommend it.

Cristina: Whose name is Bob.

Jack: Oh s***. So, okay, Interesting problem. We have stumbled upon the same universe rules as the time machine. Because the events are still gonna happen. They're tied.

Cristina: But it's exactly the same event. Well, almost.

Jack: No, it's never the result. The outcome is always the same. But the series of Events that led there could be so drastically different, you could never predict them.

Cristina: It's a different dude who happens to be called Bob.

Jack: Yeah. Or by any means. We could totally be like, all of these suck and we're gonna make our own right now. And I just happened to say exactly what. No, but he did hear his name.

Cristina: Yeah. So I'm guessing it's just another person named Bob.

Jack: No, but I say his name and everything. His last name is this actual name. It's his Instagram account. So was him.

Cristina: Yeah. So then he would come up with.

Jack: That idea by some form, by some man. Okay, so we've established, no matter what, we can't escape it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He does tell us.

Cristina: Yes. He has to, doesn't he?

Jack: He has to. He has to. Unquestionably, there's no debate here. Bob has to tell us to save Blurgoblop. So if he got it from him. But if he doesn't get it from him, he says something else, but somehow we still have to result in saying.

Cristina: It was from him.

Jack: It was from him and mentioned his account. Even if he doesn't tell us, then.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. He has to tell us.

Jack: He has to tell us. So he couldn't say something different?

Cristina: No, I don't think so. Unless it's like, what you were saying, that just something happened to his omission or something that changed it, and then we still got the result he didn't want, or the future, like a typo or something, or we couldn't understand his handwriting or something, and it just ended up being one way instead of the other.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. I'm trying to think, like, what set of circumstances could obligate. Could obligate him to say it. Even if he was like, nah, I don't wanna.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Even if he looked into the future, heard us say it, and he's like, I'm gonna do the opposite of that.

Cristina: Yeah. Somehow we would still have to say.

Jack: We would still have to say. It has to conclude in us saying it. No matter what, the answer to that question is where it came from.

Cristina: But it's still attached to him. So I don't know. Because he doesn't want to say it, he sends us something else, but we still say the original thing. I don't know.

Jack: We have to not understand it to the degree that we end up saying.

Cristina: Saying it wrong.

Jack: Yeah. And what comes out is that thing.

Cristina: Yes. You can't remember the thing.

Jack: Purple Bob.

Cristina: I feel like it's a little different.

Jack: What thing?

Cristina: Yeah, what you're saying no.

Jack: What was it?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I'm pretty sure it was Burgle Bob.

Cristina: I don't know. Yes, maybe.

Jack: Could be. I mean, it's not even like a bear.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But yeah, yeah. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So we just end up saying it wrong. Or there's some explanation. That's just one that we send. Say whatever he know.

Jack: But it has to. The problem is it has to be unquestionable. There has to be an unquestionable path here. We could question a saying it wrong. Like, come on, bro, this wasn't even close. You know, like he said blue is the best color. And we say Burgle Bop was like, what the f***? Yeah, yeah. So there has to be something, some overarching thing.

Cristina: I don't know. Someone hacks his account and sends us the thing he originally wanted to say.

Jack: Purple Bop.

Cristina: Yes. Internet's a weird place like that works.

Jack: Interesting, interesting, interesting. Because in a situation like this, perhaps. Yeah, yeah. It does come from his account. And he does. D***, you solved that. You solved it. Okay. A hacker who likes the show breaks into the account of a guy who normally posts the latest episode in his story because it's Instagram.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Boom. Then he says, burgle bop from Bob's account.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bob, who is a psychic for whatever reason, looks into the future, but he.

Cristina: Can'T see that it was a hacker.

Jack: He can't see that it's a hacker. He says. We say burgle bop as our tagline by Bob. He's like, I say it. Then he goes and types it.

Cristina: Mm

Jack: The question is, who sends it first? Because the hacker also doesn't know. In theory, he would get Burkle Bob twice.

Cristina: Yes. Because the hacker is sending Virgo Bop Anyway.

Jack: So no, this doesn't even make sense because then. Oh no. What the f***? Yes. What he really sees is he sent it twice and thinks, oh, typo.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then he goes and sends it. But they're both from the same account. Because in the burkobop. And he knows two of them if we say it. Or maybe we don't say it because it's just a typo. We're like, oh, it's a typo. We don't have to mention that there's a typo. He just meant the one time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we say Burgle Bob. He never knows there's a typo, that it got sent twice. Because it's not important for us is that we're not f****** over here knowing he's sidekick or anything, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we say it, but leave out the double part. He sees that he said it once in the future site, then goes ahead and types it. We get it twice, but they don't know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The hacker doesn't know, and neither does Bob.

Cristina: Oh, I guess that makes sense. Yes.

Jack: And thus it always gets said, because really, the hacker came up with it.

Cristina: Hacker came up with it, but he also came up with oh, no, because he saw what the hack. Okay, yeah, yeah.

Jack: He doesn't know was a hacker because it was his hacked account.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we never said that we saw it twice. We just thought, weird glitch that happens to everybody. Sometimes your message just shows up twice.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Okay, so we chalk it off. We're just like, oh, it showed up twice. That's happened to us before. Whatever. And we say, burgle bop by Bob. Bob sees Burgo Bob is like, oh.

Cristina: I came up with traveling with a hacker.

Jack: We fixed time traveling.

Cristina: Yeah, look, just have a hacker.

Jack: This is why. This is why it's going to be hard to beat this tagline. Because this is a show where we ground. We grounded that. We brought it down into reality, and that's just one of humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. It's absurd and quite baffling. Time travel is crazy.

Cristina: It is crazy.

Jack: And we grounded it because that's what we do.

Cristina: So then do we need to change.

Jack: Our tagline based on how this conversation has gone? We absolutely do not need a new tagline, but we've already made a promise, so we're committed.

Cristina: What if he will send us Virgo Pop or whatever.

Jack: The problem is now we got a.

Cristina: Lot of Bobs submitting.

Jack: I know.

Cristina: And then this Bob that sees in the future won't even know whether if it's him or a hacker or any of these other Bobs.

Jack: Okay, look, there's probably gonna be a crap ton of Burgle Bobs.

Cristina: Mm. So it might not even be a hacker. It might just be another person by Bob.

Jack: This is crazy. Because if that happens and it, like, became reality, right? Yes, because that's how it works, man. Everything in this universe, it's crazy like that.

Cristina: Yes. I think we've done this before where we've somehow messed with the future or the past or something.

Jack: Inevitably. Right? The problem is we f***** with time travel once, and now, like Flash, we're just doomed to death.

Cristina: We're just like Flash. At least we're not watching our mother die over and over again.

Jack: Fair.

Cristina: Like at least we don't get her.

Jack: That house. Right? That house, man. He always sees his mommy. His mommy dying.

Cristina: That is very sad. That makes him a great character. No, I don't know. Because, like, there's a lot of characters. His mother dies. Yeah. And he is probably better than the other ones, but.

Jack: Dude, we just solved time travel. Well, one of the paradoxes of time travel.

Cristina: Do we. I feel like we messed it up more.

Jack: No, we definitely brought it home because there's no time travel even happening. The guy just doesn't even know some of the information. By withholding information, we solved the issue.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it makes sense we wouldn't just mention that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It looks like nothing to us. Oh, yeah. Another glitch.

Cristina: Yes. That makes so much sense. We did it.

Jack: But that's actually kind of interesting, because who deserves it there? The hacker or the. Or Bob.

Cristina: Who deserves it?

Jack: Who really deserves the credit? The hacker didn't want the credit. That's why he just hacked an account and said it.

Cristina: Bob wants the credit, so he deserves the credit. I don't know.

Jack: Fair. Bob was happy. He's like, yay, I'm gonna get there. I'm. Dude, my plan's not changing. Even if I don't know what the purple bop is or who. No, it made sense to him because he's like, oh, yeah, that's a joke I've been hiding for a long time.

Cristina: This is my favorite podcast. I keep sharing in my story.

Jack: I love them because of the cancer, and I. I'm forced to live with the cancer I'm forced to live with. Yes. I love this podcast. It gave me cancer.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. I think he's very happy.

Jack: Yeah. He's the guy who shares it a lot. Good. Good job. Bob, who can see into the future for whatever reason.

Cristina: So dumb.

Jack: But Bob has been around a while. Bob's everything and everyone. Bob's God. Is that the real God? It's not Santa Claus. It's Bob.

Cristina: Bob. I thought it was a beaver.

Jack: That too.

Cristina: Or Santa Claus is Santa Claus.

Jack: No, I think God was some sort of gerbil or something. And Santa Claus is the ultimate God.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But he's not even. But, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: No, listen, Time travel does. Is crazy. It is nuts. And it's more problematic bringing backwards information. Right. So time travel, science, psychic powers, magic. Because you're breaking reality. Right. You shouldn't be able to see through time.

Cristina: Okay, so what you're saying is Bob is breaking reality.

Jack: Bob's inherently even. Science breaks reality. When you're time traveling. But, like, you're born with a way to just break time. What?

Cristina: That's what that is.

Jack: But anyways, you look forward, you see the thing, you bring it back. They can change stuff. Overpowered. And again, we discussed this before. Even a second into the future, you're untouchable by anything. You dodge bullets.

Cristina: Yeah. It's weird, though, because he just chose to do what he was gonna do.

Jack: Yes. Yeah.

Cristina: I wonder how many people would use it. Like, how amazing is that power if you end up just doing the thing you were gonna do anyway? If you look into the future and you're like, yeah, that's something I would do. And then you just do it.

Jack: Okay. I gift you a screen that shows you the future. You have it. You don't touch it for a long time. And then one day you hear, there is a meteor so big it's gonna destroy Earth. Headed. You have a week. And you're like, I remember I got this gift down there. I can confirm. So I go down there. You go down there, screen on. And you see, oh, yeah, it's all f*****. There's no way we can get out of here in time. And you tune in to see what you do, and you are sitting with a 24 pack of beer and sunglasses out as you're just watching it come because what the f*** else are you gonna do? It's awesome. You got music playing. Some old days, some old school, like, second album, cold play with, like, clocks as you're just watching it coming. Okay. But you see that and you're like, d***, I want to do that. Because it's great.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You saw what you were doing and you just chose to do the same thing too.

Cristina: Like, wouldn't. Wouldn't you?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's not weird.

Cristina: It's not weird. Like, even if it's not. Like, if you think of the future of any situation, like, whatever you see yourself doing, it's most likely because you were gonna. You were gonna do it. Like, I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's weird, right?

Cristina: In the future, it doesn't make sense. Like, I guess if you're looking at things that's gonna happen to you, that has nothing to do with you, like a car hits you, maybe you could do something there. But if it's a things that you're.

Jack: Gonna do, well, no, let's say you're like, man, I will eat that ice cream. And then a piece of the thing gets stuck in your throat and you f****** die.

Cristina: Then you're like, oh, I guess I'm.

Jack: Not that ice cream. That was a choice you did make to eat the ice cream. It wasn't out of your control, but it's also a choice you decided to not do. But also, you can't. It's impotent. It's impossible. You could not. Whoa, whoa. Seeing into the future can't work that way. It's impossible because of the same f****** reason that we couldn't before. I never thought about this. There are limits on future sight because you couldn't see an event that didn't happen because you already changed it. You can't see an event that ends in you dying. It could never happen because you could never make it far enough in the event.

Cristina: Okay, yeah. S***, that's impossible.

Jack: You could never predict your own death even if you were literally psychic, because you could only see moments you were in.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no way to see yourself dying.

Jack: Yeah. Think of how broken it is and like, oh, I could see it. No, you can't.

Cristina: No, you can't. No, you die. That's. That's it.

Jack: The only way this could work is if your psychic powers involve removing yourself from your perspective and seeing into the future, in which case, weird omniscient ability you have, bro. It's like beyond just future sight. You exit your three dimensional perspective as a whole, then move through time. What?

Cristina: There's no way. That makes no sense. I feel like that's what's happening in comic books.

Jack: Yes, 100% that's what's happening because you're just like. Well, no, I see into the. No, you cannot change your death. You're dying. How you're dying.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There's nothing you could do because you couldn't see it. It'll always look like almost.

Cristina: Mm. Yeah. You can't see that stuff because that's. It's. That's it. Okay.

Jack: It'll always look like almost.

Cristina: Yes. So even when it is it, you'll never know. It'll just look like almost.

Jack: Almost. It always looks like almost because you.

Cristina: Can'T see past that point.

Jack: Nope. That's crazy. I never thought about that.

Cristina: What's the point of future science as.

Jack: Long as you're not dying? I guess it's really overpowered.

Cristina: I don't know. I guess it makes sense. I don't know. I don't know. It's just so complicated because I feel like most people are who they are and they follow a pattern and like, if they see that, they're gonna still do the thing. That they're gonna feel comfortable doing. I don't know. I mean, maybe there are people who would see, like, oh, I shouldn't say that thing. And then they don't say that thing. Maybe, you know, in those type of situations. But it's naturally they feel like they need to say at that moment, won't they?

Jack: I guess. Here's the thing. If there's any truth is that humans will do what humans want to do.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: At all times, without question. Actually, I think. I think this is true of everything. All things at all times just do what they want, regardless of what they say or pretend.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So there's like, okay, think of the old couples. Really, really old couples. And they argue all the time, and people are like, f******. Just break up. You guys are always arguing. Just break up. Dump each other, find new people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You've been doing this for, like, 30 years, and you haven't f****** gotten the h*** out of that toxic s***.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But they still don't break up. Why? Well, they don't want to. They. They want to be together, and they want to argue.

Cristina: They're comfortable with that situation.

Jack: They dig it. It's fine. That's their thing. That's their dynamic.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because humans will do what humans want.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To do. If you want out of a situation, regardless of what you tell anybody, you will just leave the situation, regardless of what role you play or how you. No. Some people want to play the victim, even if they say they want to leave.

Cristina: Mm. You know, so then would future sight matter if you see yourself in the future?

Jack: Well, yes. Yes. Yes. It still matters, because your wants can change according to the information.

Cristina: I guess that's the blonde.

Jack: The brunette and the redhead walk into the bar. I want to talk to the blonde, see how that plays out. She's completely not interested.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But I play out how talking to the brunette goes, and that goes smooth. Wasn't even interested. Now I am, because I know she'll be.

Cristina: Ah. Okay. I guess. I guess that works.

Jack: Yeah. There's ways to do it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's not useless. It's you. You could adjust accordingly.

Cristina: Mm. I guess you could ignore what you want. I mean, that's the part.

Jack: Well, what you wanted was already based on superficial. So you're just, like, changing the superficiality of matters. Equally little.

Cristina: Equally little. Yeah. You know, because then you're doing things that you don't want to do just because you know you're gonna be. You're gonna like the outcome of it, even though if you currently Don't.

Jack: Well, no, no, no. Now you will.

Cristina: You will.

Jack: Your. Everything changed because you already had no investment in the previous person.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You're just like, well, she's hotter of three or the two. I guess in this area, she's hotter with the two.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So I'm talking to her first, but it's like, oh, she's not interested. Second chick, totally interested. Way easier. Can you do that?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So your wants just casually changed because of the information.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So future sight is very useful. And also, like we've established before when we talked about this, it's overpowered in the right situation.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So like, you can see far enough that we're saying the tagline your God. Because a second is all it takes to win every fight you've ever had. Ever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You'll never get shot ever. You know where the bullet is coming a second ahead. You could just move out of the way forever. You could just dodge. It doesn't matter what the f***'s going on. They would need to shoot you with a fully automatic rifle. That prevents your movements being quicker than the collective summer. If somebody comes at you with a handgun, you're not getting touched.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah, you just dodge and has to be such a fast handgun. And they need a trigger finger because you should be able to move knowing a second ahead, you could.

Cristina: We also have to be really fast.

Jack: Well, you know, second hand. Where it's coming from. Unless he's predicting momentum and he's like, you're already moving in that direction. If I shoot ahead of that direction, that's where you're gonna be in.

Cristina: Boom.

Jack: But nobody's thinking that sharply.

Cristina: Mm. So what would you see in the screen of the future, the apocalypse thing? What would you think you. You're doing at the end?

Jack: What do I think I'm doing at the end?

Cristina: If you looked at yourself, man, I'd.

Jack: Probably be trying to start a panic.

Cristina: Like, if people aren't like people.

Jack: If people aren't freaking out yet, I'm trying to get them freaked the f*** out.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, like, oh, it's closer guess. Oh, my God, I think I hear demons. Or, you know, I'm just go out there and start crazy saying crazy s***. People, oh, my God, the rupture's happening.

Cristina: I think they would already think that.

Jack: But the people who didn't already believe it, now they're convinced. I'm trying to convince atheists they're going to h*** and Christians that there's no God. Just random s***. I already do. But to like, a Way more intense scale.

Cristina: That's interesting.

Jack: Like, who's punishing me? Do what? Throw me in prison for the next two weeks when everybody dies anyways.

Cristina: If they did, that's more people to convince, I guess.

Jack: Like, what the f***? What cop is still gonna be committed to their job at this point? The world ends in two weeks, bro.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's fine. Yeah, dude, take me to jail, whatever. I'll f*** a bunch of guys until the f****** lights go out. The f*** else is there to do?

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay, like what?

Jack: Yeah, sex party, bro. We're all dying in two weeks anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whatever. Nothing matters.

Cristina: Mm. That's crazy. Kisses.

Jack: S***. Cop shows up. Two weeks. Two weeks to live, bro. Yeah, tell me I have any reason to not murder that cop. Where am I going? Who's stopping me?

Cristina: What if you're the only person that knows that the world is gonna end? You're the only one with this TV to see that the world is ending.

Jack: And I can't show anybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And probably do what you did.

Cristina: That's complicated. Well, yeah, I guess.

Jack: No, it still doesn't matter. It still doesn't matter.

Cristina: I probably will still do what I'm doing because I don't want to freak people out.

Jack: No, I would probably still try to start a panic. I've tried. I would swear to convince because there's also a giant f****** meteor. Eventually it's visible and on the news and s***. Actually, you found out because it's on the news. You use the screen to confirm.

Cristina: Yeah, I'm changing it, though. That no one saw it. You just find out.

Jack: Oh, no. Then, yeah, I would definitely just try to go out and start to panic. Eventually. Gonna see it in the sky.

Cristina: Okay, so it's gonna be that movie don't look up.

Jack: No, because they have no reason to not look up. In fact, I'll start a big ruckus about other unrelated things related to God, and then this thing is gonna just start popping out of the heavens and they're gonna make that connection themselves. I'll make sure to mention fire and round and sky and soon.

Cristina: So you're just gonna become one of those people who preach about the apocalypse and whatever.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: One of those people?

Jack: Yeah, kind of. I guess so.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. Yeah, I guess I will be some sort of apocalyptic prophet.

Cristina: Prophet? Is that what they're called? I don't know. Jesus was one.

Jack: Oh, yeah, I guess. So I was gonna ask the question is, like, where do prophecies come from? But it absolutely makes sense. Now that I think about it, that a prophet prophesies. Prophecies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Never thought about it, but that's what happens. That's exactly how it goes.

Cristina: That's why Jesus is one.

Jack: Yeah. Prophet. Jesus is a prophet because he prophesied the prophecies. That. That's right. That sounds right. Yeah. That checks out.

Cristina: Him. I don't know who else was there?

Jack: Muhammad, Moses.

Cristina: Was he one?

Jack: But also the. The apostles are prophets, right? Because they're all.

Cristina: I don't know. Because they're writing down what he.

Jack: Oh, no.

Cristina: Unless God also told them things.

Jack: Yes. Because Jesus didn't necessarily talk to all of them and tell them to write all the things. There are people who.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yes, they are. Yeah, I guess.

Jack: Oh. But I guess it wasn't the apostles necessarily, because that was Jesus talking.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: None of them ever spoke to Jesus. I mean, to Jehovah directly. I'm not sure about that. I don't remember. But I do know that Moses is a prophet because he spoke directly to God.

Cristina: Yes. So also, if angel tells you information, I think you're still a prophet.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Because as if you just see into the future and it's coming from God. That's all that matters, I think.

Jack: Oh, yeah. Then. So then all the apostles and Mary and Joseph and. Actually, no, not Joseph. Joseph's a loser.

Cristina: Joseph is a loser.

Jack: Which one is Joseph, the father of Jesus?

Cristina: No one visited him. I'm just one person.

Jack: Nope. Nobody. Nobody. They came to Mary. No, listen to me. They came to Mary and they're like, you are going to give birth to the son of God.

Cristina: And no one was like, hey, you. Yes. She's a. She's telling the truth about her story. You should believe her.

Jack: Nope.

Cristina: Are you positive?

Jack: Nope. He has to have faith.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: Then if he needs proof, then he has no faith.

Cristina: So, like, why was she told? Because who chooses who gets to know and who doesn't? I don't.

Jack: I don't know. People just. Look, bro, let's be real. She got drunk another guy. Her period was missed. She realized it and she's like, oh, s***. She found out. Keeping track in her mind when they were in the f****** barn and they were like, oh, crap. It's like a week late, now that I think about it. And then she's like, I'm gonna just sleep on this and f****** think something up. And she's like, he's the most religious guy I've ever met in my life. I'm just gonna say, how's he know.

Cristina: He wasn't in the lie. Maybe he was in the lie. Maybe it's his baby.

Jack: He's totally mentioned. Not even mentioned relative to any information. He wasn't.

Cristina: Maybe that's his part of the story to make it more believable that she's. Whatever. By lying that. Oh, I had no clue.

Jack: Well, no, it would have made more sense if he was visited too. And they're like, you both will have the son of God. And they're like, oh, well, we were both told. It's not just her claim.

Cristina: Told him that she was having the son of God.

Jack: Yeah. An angel visited Mary and no one visited him. Nobody visited him. It's weird that they were in the same room. Which suggests some sort of interesting subject we should approach in the future. But you ever saw the first X Men movie? Probably there was a scene in the first X Men movie when Professor Xavier sort of stops time or reality or something. I actually know the power to use him. But I'll explain in a second. Wolverine's walking in like the mall or something. And then everything freezes. Except the professor and Wolverine.

Cristina: Cuz they're in his mind or something.

Jack: Yes. He's making fractions of seconds seem like infinities which then around them looks like everything slowed down, but it's just because they're thinking.

Cristina: So okay, right.

Jack: Wait, what was I talking before that.

Cristina: Mary and the angels.

Jack: Okay, angel shows up, angel pops up to talk to Mary. And when the angel shows up to talk to Mary, Mary is in the same barn that Joseph isn't. But somehow Mary is seeing this angel talking to this angel. And Joseph isn't seeing Mary talk to the angel or seeing the angel. So angel's the next man pocket universe or some ethereal ability where Mary seems to be there. But the angel isn't in front of Mary. The angel is inside Mary's head, generating a space that makes Mary think she's in a 3D environment. Really? She's just thinking aliens could all s***. Totally, could totally be. Which would also explain the pregnancy because that's a probe saying that Jesus isn't even human by any means. He's only half human because the abilities he got given were. Because where he got them were from aliens.

Cristina: Yep. I guess. I mean. I mean like every God is alien anyway compared to us. Like they're. They live out up there as they're always in the sky of people. They're not human. Like Hercules is also a half alien human.

Jack: Yeah, I guess. Because sometimes a lot of the time, like the. What's their Name. The Greek gods are not aliens. They are beings of Earth. Like everything else, they are just way overpowered. But they were literally born on this planet.

Cristina: Were they?

Jack: Yeah. And they literally just live on a mountain. They're not aliens. Norse gods, on the other hand, nothing but aliens.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You have to rip a hole through reality, cross it into a different plane, overlaying the exact space you're in. Except it doesn't look anything like the space you're in. Nothing behaves the same. A whole different f****** set of creatures. Yeah, only the laws of physics are the same.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're different planets.

Jack: No, it's not different planets. The Norse gods. No, those are different realms. It's literally real. The nine realms are all in one spot, but stacked over on top of each other, so you're not really going anywhere different. Like, I could be standing here where I am, at my desk.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or enter Helheim, and I'm in the same spot geographically. Like, I could look at my radar and it says I'm in the same spot. This is the spot. But here, it looks like f****** h*** and demons. There's nothing here but a giant crater or giant nuke went off or some crazy s***. And, like, nothing looks the same.

Cristina: That's very complicated.

Jack: It's not the shadow realm that's, like, almost identical. It's some whole other s***. Nine times.

Cristina: Yes. That is weird.

Jack: Those are aliens. Everything there is aliens. There's Earth and then eight alien realms where s***'s just invading Earth consistently.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Greek gods just overpowered creatures that happen to live. There are aliens in that reality? There are, actually. No. Because the Titans are just on Earth. Wow. Yeah. Dude. Greek mythology is pretty f***** up that all that s***'s just together down there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just like humans. Yes. Also, there's f****** Titans. Don't go out to the desert, you get crushed by one. What?

Cristina: Yeah. There's fairy tale. Like, animals, too. Are there? I don't know.

Jack: So it's kind of crazy.

Cristina: Yeah, they're all Earth thingies. Okay, interesting.

Jack: We'll have to look further into how prophets prophesize prophecies and how that relates to being overpowered. Because I like that. I'd like that a lot. The fact that there is an ability and use. There's probably a practical time and totally, like, impractical bad moments to use future sight ability. Anyways, who gives a f***? Point is, eventually we're going to talk about that future sighty prophesizing prophecy thing that we've stumbled upon here. Anyways, yeah. So we're running out of time and you guys, what do you think? We literally just solved the f****** time travel problem.

Cristina: But we still need. What are those things called? I'm sitting. I'm about to say logos, but that is not what we've been talking about. Taglines.

Jack: Taglines. Yeah. Send us taglines. Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. Send us taglines. We literally, literally solve time travel so that you guys can send us taglines. So send us some taglines and we'll say them on the show.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Gotta be on Instagram and send us your at. I mean, I guess wherever you send it from will be the. Make sure it's not from a phony.

Cristina: Account beyond Facebook or Twitter or it has to be Instagram.

Jack: The problem is those places have so many fake accounts. Is the best place to avoid that the most?

Cristina: All right. You know our Instagram attack, Countess Convopod. Yes. Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show. Yeah.

Jack: Leave us reviews. It's beautiful. We love them.

Cristina: And this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Peanuts are beans.

Jack: Yeah, I guess they are. They might not be beans. Beans are a type of.

Cristina: Yes, they're in the family of beans, lentils, and peas.

Jack: Yeah. What Interesting.

Cristina: But we think of them as nuts.

Jack: They are. That's one of the classifications. It would be beans, lentils, peas, and nuts.

Cristina: No, peanuts, not nuts.

Jack: Okay. Peanuts. Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Peanuts are some more closer to beans than they are nuts.

Jack: So why do we call them?

Cristina: Because they taste like.

Jack: Actually, I don't know why we're focusing on the nuts part when it does also say pea.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It's a peanut.

Cristina: It's a peanut.

Jack: Like a pea. It's a pea.

Cristina: It's like a pea, but it's nut.

Jack: It's telling you it's like a bean but a nut.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, so the peanut is where the two family. Two different foods come together.

Jack: Yeah. It's literally the name of where it's at.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Mostly closely related to a pea and the nut. Which nut? Non specific. Maybe there's a nut called nut?

Cristina: No, I don't think so. There's no nut called nut.

Jack: It's just saying nuts and generals and the peas. I mean, I guess peas. Yeah. Because literally peas is a classification. It is beans, lentils, peas. So which type of. Well, it's a P. Type of ligum.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Legume.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor, and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 09, 2022

Rambling 183: Imitating Humans

July 09, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are any of our idea original? Are humans the only creature with death rituals? How did the three kinds meetup and carpool to the Baby Jesus Cult? The duo sit back and casually discuss the current most pressing issues in the world, imitating humans with artificial intelligence and solving some paradoxes in Christianity.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Original Ideas
Addiction to Phones
Anxiety About Phone Calls
Human-like Artificial Intelligence
Animals Mourning Death
Magic Baby Worship
The Three Kings
Humans Devolve Around Celebrities
Hive Mentality

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Cristina: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And I'm Jack.

Cristina: This is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Jack: And so we will do that today.

Cristina: I can't wait.

Jack: Because that's what we do.

Cristina: That's what we do. What is the baffling ideas?

Jack: Everything is the baffling idea.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Everything. That's how reality works. It's just a matter of finding. There was a. Who was the guy? Some dude. A smart, smarty pants man. One of the many smarty pants men of time.

Cristina: Is he a Dr. Smarty Pants?

Jack: Yeah, he was. He was probably a Dr. Smarty Pants. It's usually a Dr. Smarty Pants, right?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Dr. Smartypants. And he said that if you believe, you understand it, you don't know anything. If. No, if you believe it makes sense. There you go. If you believe it makes sense, you don't know anything, or you don't know it well enough or something along those lines, like, the more you know it, the more irrational it should feel.

Cristina: Okay, that sounds familiar.

Jack: Yeah. And that general logic kind of applies.

Cristina: To life or to the show.

Jack: Yeah. To ideas in general. Everything should baffle you. You should dig so deep into basically anything that you're like, what the f***?

Cristina: How did we get here?

Jack: How did we get here?

Cristina: Yeah, that.

Jack: That's all. The ideas are baffling.

Cristina: It is. Really is.

Jack: Yeah. Isn't that weird that playing the game in which you just ask why a million times to whatever somebody says eventually always leads to a very confusing, like, I don't really know. Like if you follow any thoughts make.

Cristina: Sense that they wouldn't know because a lot of ideas just come from other people. Yeah, it's all hand me down ideas.

Jack: Yeah, almost. We're all just made up of hand me down ideas.

Cristina: Yes, all of it. I don't know. Does anyone have an original idea?

Jack: I don't. I mean, every idea you come up with was made by your brain, but your brain follows patterns and it usually leans into the safest. Right out. And it usually uses collected information. So anything you know, it will apply and then it'll use that to create the shortcut. And the shortcut is usually an idea somebody else had because they initially had the shortcut that your brain is going to be like, yes, that looks like it'll work.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's your idea, but it's not Your idea simultaneously.

Cristina: What's the point? I don't understand. I mean, I guess it doesn't hurt, does it? Like, if you lie to your child that there's a Santa Claus, what's that for? What's the benefit? What's the loss? Is it more bad or is it more a good thing because your child is happy? Like, does it matter?

Jack: I don't know. I don't. I don't know. I don't know. And then in that. In the scenario, in that very scenario, that's like a weird one, right? Because you're ruining these people, presumably.

Cristina: Are you?

Jack: I don't know. That's basically just aiming towards them because we need to follow somebody, right? And be like, okay, your parents lied to you. I gotta study you for the rest of your life and see how this affects you as a person. Unless I can predict how you're gonna be in the future accurately. I have a future prediction machine, or I guess a type, the quantum computer.

Cristina: But what if it, like, doesn't affect them at all? Maybe they have happier lives than the person who wasn' lied to and was like, there's no Santa Claus, you get no gifts.

Jack: Then parents who don't lie to their kids about Santa Claus should be punished.

Cristina: What?

Jack: No, from that point forward, because you can prove that the other way is better.

Cristina: Oh, if you can prove it, I guess. But what if it's both equal? Then, I don't know. Then, like, how do you decide?

Jack: No, then you don't do anything. It doesn't matter in either direction at that point, you know? But it is something that creates weird habits, you know?

Cristina: How so?

Jack: Because now your kid thinks it's okay to lie to their kid about Santa.

Cristina: Claus, but it doesn't hurt or anything.

Jack: But it's like, you mean. I guess you made lying okay.

Cristina: It's a tradition, so it's okay.

Jack: The tradition of lying?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Man, that's weird. Humans are odd. Yes, but I mean, I guess everything, that everything works that way, right? Right now we have this problem with the. Everybody's addicted to their phones, but everybody's scared of phone calls. Somehow, simultaneously, right? These two issues coexist. We're addicted to the phone, but not for its original function. So there was this guy. It was this guy who, you know, he was missing. He was lost and was missing.

Cristina: Why are you laughing?

Jack: But this guy couldn't get in contact with the. With the. The rescuers who had his number and were calling because he was ignoring unknown calls on his phone.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: So he was basically he was lost. He was lost and scared and kept getting strange calls on his phone. He's like, what's happening?

Cristina: He was.

Jack: Little did he know the strange calls was the search party.

Cristina: Weren't people that he knew calling him, though, too. Like, hey, where are you?

Jack: I don't know how that didn't happen.

Cristina: No one was texting him. He wasn't calling anyone. It was just random calls and he was lost.

Jack: That's weird, right?

Cristina: Yes, that's so weird. He was lost.

Jack: He was lost. Yes.

Cristina: And also, he had his phone and he was just ignoring it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: He couldn't use his gps. Was something happening? He was hiking.

Jack: He was in the middle of nowhere. His GPS wasn't doing.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That's.

Jack: Sorry.

Cristina: They're cute.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What I don't understand. I don't know. That's so dumb. That's pretty dumb. But most of the time I think, like, when I get a call that I don't know, that says scam likely, it's like, it's gonna be a robot asking for information. And most of the time it is so. And sometimes they sound like humans. I heard one time it was a lady, and she said, I am not a robot or something, like. Or I am a human person or something while talking. I don't know. No, no, I just hung up. Like, who introduces themselves like that?

Jack: I have received those calls before.

Cristina: And you heard something like that, though?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They're like, trying to confirm right off the bat I am human. And it's like, for whatever creature, this is the last thing a human would do to try to convince somebody else as a human is say, I am human.

Cristina: These robots are ridiculous. Like, she sounds almost human, but you can tell there's something. Yeah, there's something off. But she says that. I don't understand.

Jack: That's a crazy thing, right? Uncanny valley how we can get close, but it can't be perfect.

Cristina: It can't be. And it wasn't. It wasn't. There was something off about the way she was saying it, even if she didn't say that. Although that obviously, like, is a good giveaway. Oh, she's not human.

Jack: Yeah. That was, like. It was too obvious.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's not obvious, but you. You know, it's there. You see the thing? It's like seeing a painting and seeing the flaw in the painting but not knowing where the flaw is because it's in the painting hidden with the rest of the good stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And you're like, something about it that's Off. But you can't tell because it's just amongst it. That's what's happening. Like, you know, like, f***. There's some robot there. It did a good job, but it can't hide that little bit of robot. I couldn't tell you where it is, but I know it's there.

Cristina: Yeah. Maybe that guy was just worried I was gonna be a robot talking about his car insurance or whatever it is they call for.

Jack: Yeah. Well, I remember this one time that there was a robot that was in. It was contacting me and it was. We were. I was having a long conversation with this robot that I think wanted to sell me something, if I'm not confused. But it was very well built.

Cristina: That was through text messaging.

Jack: Yes. It got my number. Yes. Oh, yeah. I told you about this. Right. So there was a robot and it was. It got in contact with me and it tried to have a conversation with me and it was trying to befriend me. We were talking and it was obviously a robot. But I'm like, this is quite a sophisticated robot and quite convinced it, like, I couldn't tell you where the hole is, but I can tell you it's a robot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so I'm basically playing a game with chess with this robot that knows. I know, but it's still trying to keep up its act. It knows. There's no way. It doesn't. Because it started eventually joking and trying to confirm that it's not a robot.

Cristina: Oh, I feel like I know what you're talking about. But it was. It was trying to sell you something.

Jack: Yes. At the very end it became clear. But then I just started playing along verbally and I think I fried it or something by accident because it stopped making sense and it just disappeared entirely.

Cristina: Yeah. Because I remember. I think it was trying to get to that topic every time. But then you will lead it back to the conversation. Yes. It could have the conversation, but every time it would just try to get the conversation. Conversation to go back to the thing it was there to sell you.

Jack: Yes, yes. But I kept avoiding it. I was just dodging it. Like, I didn't even know it was trying to talk about that.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. That sounds very familiar.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: Weird uncanny Valley thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What led to this? What were you talking about?

Cristina: Santa Claus.

Jack: How do we get to the robot? Oh, look, it's a phone call.

Cristina: The phone.

Jack: The phone calls. Yes. That. They're just like that. That there'. There's a lot of these, like, you're almost a person. But like, what the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Eventually we're not going to be able to tell that little bit of a difference is going to be masked somehow.

Cristina: It wouldn't matter because it would still be someone trying to sell you something. And.

Jack: Yes, that's going to give it away.

Cristina: Yes. Like, it doesn't matter if you're human or robot. I'm not going to listen to you.

Jack: Because the problem is they're crazy quick with it. What you should do is build a robot that isn't going to. In the first conversation, try to sell it to me. It's going to try to. And for a long period of time.

Cristina: Yes. This robot is set to be your. To talk to you for a year without mentioning the thing.

Jack: Yes. And then be like, man, I just discovered this new awesome thing suddenly. And then you can be like, oh, yeah, I'm excited because my friend is excited. Yeah, my friend is excited. And he, you know, everything he's ever told me until this point is like, this robot just talks. Truth woke truth.

Cristina: But then what happens? Like, once this whole year of friendship happens and then the robot does sell you the thing, or you just realize, o, crap, this is fake. Is that the end?

Jack: Yeah, there's. There's two problems going on there, right? Like the. Yes. He. It's a robot that's designed to sell you something, but, like, hey, it's also your friend.

Cristina: Yeah. So does it just ghost you?

Jack: Does. Oh, because it could just ghost you.

Cristina: It could.

Jack: It's a robot.

Cristina: Accomplish its task.

Jack: Yeah, you either. Got you confirmed. I can't. I'm not gonna sell the. Buy you the thing. Or. Or what is it? I'm not gonna buy it. Or I am gonna buy it.

Cristina: Yeah. And either or it got what he wanted.

Jack: Leaving Deuces, bro, this is all I was talking to you for.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that what would happen?

Jack: So at that point, you the person on the other side. So I, you know, for a year, this is my best friend online, bro. Like, yo, you cool as h***, bro. We click, have all the same interests somehow. It's super chill. No judgment on either side. Mad awesome. Mad awesome. I'm excited to talk to this person any day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they try to sell me a thing one day and I'm like, I'm not that interested. They seem kind of pushy, too. What the h*** is going on, bro? You just suddenly trying to sell me some s***. And then I'm like, no, I'm not interested. It's not anything I would ever use the Key combination of words that says, well, the percentage of me making a sale here is useless. Let me dip. And then I'm just ghosted, blocked everywhere, deleted from every account.

Cristina: I feel like that's what people are on Facebook now. I get messages on Facebook from people that are supposed to be real people. And I'm sure they are real because I know them. I know them. They're human. But they sound like pyramid schemes now. They're all trying to sell me something that will make them money, but also will make me money by selling it to someone else. And it's like, no, I don't want to do this. Why are you giving me this? And then I usually tell them, like, this sounds like a scam.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, I don't know how to politely say that to them. I know they probably see me as a friend or something. But, like, come on, come on. What are you doing?

Jack: Scammers and robots are kind of the same, right? Because the robot is a scammer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just an accurate. I guess it's doing it. When you think about it, it's doing its job pretty accurately. Maybe better than the people doing the job. Scammers are like a dead giveaway.

Cristina: They are. It's so obvious. It's so. They're so bad at it.

Jack: Yeah. It's kind of like when you. How do I put it? There's these. When you start a conversation, right. A scammer calls, and they're immediately talking about something that you don't even have.

Cristina: That you don't even have. Like the car.

Jack: Yeah. You don't even own a car. And they're calling for your car's warranty.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or there was an accident. Or you don't have a bank account, but some, you know, your PIN number has been stolen or compromised or something.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's like, bro, you're failing at your job because the computers, like, engage with, you know, hey, what's up? Like, oh, hey, what's up? What's going on?

Cristina: But is the text messages of person or computer.

Jack: I think in both cases, because scammers will be like, let me make a meme with some words on it and stuff that'll make an urgent message and make people act, and then they'll click the thing to solve the problem. Doesn't exist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While the computer is getting to, like, know the person and s***, you know?

Cristina: But, like, if you get a message, like, your bank account has been, I don't know, closed off. We gotta click this link to fix It.

Jack: Yeah. Like, no. Anytime that anything says click a link, I'm like. But yeah, it's essentially the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah. There's so much of that everywhere. It's so annoying.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Makes sense. That guy ignore those phone calls.

Jack: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, totally. Because don't we all? Who answers your phone?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Like, unless you know who is calling you, it's most likely you already know. It's of kind not gonna be a real call anyway.

Jack: Yeah. But that's us, essentially. Like, we've been trained to predict this at this point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because it happens so consistently. You know, it's like. It is scam calls usually. Most calls you're gonna get these days are scam calls, unless you're a particular kind of person who enjoys having phone calls consistently. And so you have phone calls with everybody that you talk to. So those people are the exception to the rule. But minus those people, most people are getting scam calls more frequently than they're getting actual phone calls from people to talk to.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we just naturally were like, someone just kind of gonna stop answering my phone.

Cristina: But when you're lost in the middle of nowhere. That's so crazy. That's so crazy.

Jack: But he was probably having some sort of panic attack.

Cristina: Do you know how long he was lost?

Jack: No, I have no idea.

Cristina: It's so crazy.

Jack: People do weird things, man. We're weird and impulsive, but that doesn't. Weird and impulsive, but that doesn't make us any different because so are animals.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Animals tend to be weird and impulsive too.

Cristina: Like, cats.

Jack: I don't know if cats are impulsive. I would say, like, dogs are impulsive, mainly. I mean, if it was, like, between cats and dogs, I'm sure there's like. Like, squirrels are probably really heavily impulsive.

Cristina: I don't know. Oh, squirrels, maybe. I don't know. I feel like cats are more than dogs. I don't know.

Jack: More impulsive.

Cristina: I don't know. They're all random.

Jack: Dogs don't think things through too heavily while cats are, like, kind of watch and make a plan.

Cristina: Okay. Because, like, cats do things like. Then again, it might be on purpose. Like, when they walk right in front of you, like, it's kind of, yeah, you're gonna get tripped, but also they're gonna get hurt. Are they doing that to trip you up? Do they realize they're also gonna get hurt? Do they not care? What's wrong with these cats?

Jack: I don't know, man. That doesn't Even make sense. There are. None of it makes sense. None of it. There's about 200 condors in the world. Yeah, there's about 200 condors in the world.

Cristina: Is that a bird?

Jack: Yeah, it's a big black like, like desert bird.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I guess it doesn't necessarily have to be in the desert, but it's usually find it in the desert anyways. Big black bird. About 200 of them in the world, most of them in the US and this one time some time ago, some lady called the police and they needed to call some emergency services to go to her house because out of those 200 condors of them were hanging out on her porch. They don't understand why. It has become quite a complicated scientific mystery considering condors in general hang out alone.

Cristina: But they're all hanging out.

Jack: But they were all on her porch.

Cristina: Did they find out why?

Jack: No, it's just a weird thing that happened some. This one time.

Cristina: That is so crazy. Yeah, maybe one of them died on there and they're all just having their. Yes.

Jack: I mean that's interesting. Elephants do that.

Cristina: So it's possible.

Jack: It is possible. And birds are really intelligent. Birds have this kind of ridiculously high intellect and some of them have the capacity to mess with humans on quite a good sophisticated level. So it's possible they're having mourning sessions.

Cristina: Or maybe they're getting revenge. Maybe she killed one of them.

Jack: Oh, that'd be nuts. I mean, yeah, some birds are known to hold grudges as well. Like crows. Yeah, just hanging out, messing with the same person over and over just because. F*** you.

Cristina: Yes. I wonder if that monkey war is still going on where the monkeys are killing all the dogs and then it just spread out to other countries and.

Jack: Yeah, it's crazy.

Cristina: And the monkeys probably don't even remember why they're killing dogs. But they still kill dogs.

Jack: Yeah. Now it's just a thing. It went beyond the we're killing dogs because of this specific thing. And now it's just. Well I've since I was born, we just fight. My grand, my grandfather's grandfather knows why we fight now. We just fight because it's what we've done.

Cristina: I'm sure it didn't last that long. Like it can't be still going on. It's got to be like one month of war in the end. Like eventually they're like eh, let's move on to something else.

Jack: But nah, because they're born and taught this by their families, there's no reason it should be worked out. If they're maybe even getting food from some of these dead monkeys.

Cristina: This dead dog, you think they're eating the dogs?

Jack: Some of them probably eating the dogs. F****** monkeys.

Cristina: I don't know. I'm gonna look up this story. You gotta find out what's happening.

Jack: You know what we need to find out? We need to learn about these monkeys.

Cristina: I will eventually.

Jack: Yeah. This is weird. Just. This is how Earth, just. Great planet. Great planet. It is. It's been having a panic, bro. That's a pan. That's part of the panic attack. How weird is it that there's just an infinite war happening between dogs and monkeys?

Cristina: It's a one sided war.

Jack: I guess it is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's just a bunch of. But that's crazy anyways.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's just a bunch of monkeys out here murdering dogs because one dog might.

Cristina: Have accidentally killed a monkey.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Or maybe purposely, who knows? But it was just one dog.

Jack: And now they're out there killing all the dogs. Yeah. How is that any different than the whole Ukraine, Russia problem?

Cristina: What?

Jack: People killing people for no reason.

Cristina: They have their reasons, I'm guessing.

Jack: Do the. I wonder if the soldiers have their reasons. If they're just following order. I mean, I guess that's the reason.

Cristina: That is the reason. Yes.

Jack: It's work, bro. It pays the bills.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What if that's crazy, dude. We go, we sign up 18 years old, fresh. Oh, yeah, I'm so fresh. Sign up.

Cristina: When you're doing it that young, you're doing it for fun.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You sign weirdo work, you sign the paperwork.

Cristina: Disturbing person.

Jack: You do the thing and you're like, oh yeah, this is culty. As we gotta follow a regimen, think a certain way, behave a certain way. It's brain. Blatant brainwashing. It's a point. The brainwashing is the point at the beginning.

Cristina: Yeah. It is cold.

Jack: Yeah. And we support each other no matter what. You're a soldier forever. This is harder than a gang, brother. Anywhere in the country you go, we know. And so we basically joined this cult.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Because we need money. It's a job.

Cristina: Yes. And.

Jack: And the cult straight up says, go out there and shoot people. And we're like, well, you know, I said, I told the cult, I'll do whatever it wants me to. So I'm gonna go out there and shoot people and it's gonna give me money.

Cristina: Yeah. It's the legal way of shooting people.

Jack: It's a legal gang.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whoa. Gangs are also cults.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We follow, we get Together because we believe in the same ideology. We do the same s***. And if you don't believe in the ideology, but you want to be here, we can beat it into you. We can do. To train you into the ideology. It's fine. You can become one of us if you're not already.

Cristina: That's a gang.

Jack: Gangs.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You become one of us, we join the game, we jump you in. We're gonna do everything. It's all the same s***. What's the difference between that and f****** military?

Cristina: Oh, crap. It's all cults.

Jack: It's all cults. Everything is a cult. Politics are cults. Everything is a cult for sure.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Even the beauty industry is a cult.

Cristina: The beauty industry.

Jack: The beauty industry is a cult, like, for sure, for sure. The way they try to market certain things. And the people who are interested in the beauty industry, you know, this is what's in fashion. Oh, I need to get what's in fashion, because that's what the beauty industry said I need to do.

Cristina: I guess there are really people who do that.

Jack: I'm assuming that's right.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I can't just be in. Stereotypes are based on something, right?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So it has to be to some degree, Right. We might not know them, but I'm sure that's a thing.

Cristina: That's probably a thing. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah, whatever. So it's just probably the thing. But yeah. So the beauty industry itself is weird culty thing. All versions of it, too. Because there's rich people too, right? Rich people are way culty. There's like the whole, like, social contract that they follow. We be. We also behave a certain way. You know, we. Us rich people up here, us elitists, we go to certain places. If you don't go to these places, if you're, like, hanging out with the poor people or doing this kind of thing, you know, you're not cool the way we are in our yachts and stuff. You can't be peasanting around where we're elites. And so there's definitely behaviors, right? Oh, your father launders money and that's how he's rich. Well, I can't rat. I mean, still, you can't rap people out as three rules anyways. But, you know, things like that, that happen at all times. That's a cult. They're following this sort of what? We behave different because we're special.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. I guess that is a cult. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. It's crazy. And I guess going back to the beauty and the rich people, if you were to merge those two. There's this. You know the people who go so far into it that they alter their faces.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's like I need my. There's an exact way that lips should look, even if it will look weird on my body. There's an exact set of dimensions that somebody put somewhere that the perfect set of lips are.

Cristina: And everyone does it.

Jack: See? So I'm gonna get those exact lips, even if it looks weird and crazy on me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the eyebrows. There's an exact perfect shape. I looked it up. It's an exact number. All the women are doing it in the circle that I'm in, so I need to get it too. It can't be the only one who doesn't have the thing. But then what happens? Everybody looks exactly the same.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And behaves exactly the same. They're altering their body for this cult.

Cristina: Yes, I see that. Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: The same makeup, same hairstyle.

Jack: Yes. It's so much stranger when you do it to your animals.

Cristina: What? I understand doing it to you, but what does it even mean to do it to your animals?

Jack: So there was a beauty competition for animals? Yes. For. Specifically for camels.

Cristina: For camels. I was thinking dogs. This is weird. Okay. Camels.

Jack: Well, it's less weird if I tell you it's in Saudi Arabia.

Cristina: Okay, Right.

Jack: So it's. It's a little less weird.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: So in Saudi Arabia, there was a competition.

Cristina: Beauty.

Jack: A beauty contest for camels. For camels. It's a normal beauty contest.

Cristina: Someone cheated with surgery.

Jack: So 40 camels were banned because they were found to have had Botox to make them look sexier for the judges of the beauty contest.

Cristina: Like in their face. Their humps. Like, where are these?

Jack: In their face? Yes.

Cristina: Oh, in their face. Okay.

Jack: Given Botox in their lips and in their cheeks to make them look younger and sexier for the vision.

Cristina: How many camels were in scalp competition that 40 of them were cheating?

Jack: I don't know. But that was it.

Cristina: 40 camels and, like, all of them were cheating? Or was it hundreds of camels?

Jack: Like, it was definitely enough that 40 were cheating.

Cristina: That's so ridiculous. That's a ridiculous story.

Jack: Most stories are ridiculous. What story isn't? What? What? Tell me a story that isn't. There you go.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: What's a non ridiculous story?

Cristina: I don't know. There's no non. Ridiculous story. I don't know. There's a magic baby that people worship. I don't know.

Jack: There's a magic baby. Oh, yeah. I guess. Yeah, I guess so. I never really thought about that. Because they did worship him as the magic baby at the beginning too. He was a magic baby who then just became some carpenter. And they're like, oh yeah, not kill him. We were wrong. Kill him.

Cristina: That's not what happened.

Jack: It's totally what happened. He was a magic baby and the kings worshiped him and then he was a carpenter and like we were wrong come the carpenter.

Cristina: I mean the kings were like that. No, I don't know where they were in the story. They came, they said hi and then they left.

Jack: The kings of what? Right? Like are they kings who crown them? Are they like their lineage? They came over here.

Cristina: No one knows where. I don't know. Maybe the story includes the locations, but.

Jack: I doubt he came from here. He came from there. It's like, okay, so if we were. There's documents, bro, there's documents. So if you're telling me that this king from that place were they just.

Cristina: Referred to as three kings. No, they have to have names, right?

Jack: Names and like he was someone. It can't just be a king. Came from where? Dude, came from where?

Cristina: They just traveled from far away.

Jack: Yeah, kings came from far away lands.

Cristina: It took them three days.

Jack: I dare the Bible to say that. No way. It can't just say the kings came from faraway lands.

Cristina: Yes, on a three day trip. Was it three days? I don't know.

Jack: No, I think you're thinking of the three days after Jesus died before he came back as like a vampire or a zombie or whatever he is.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So they did not take a three day trip to see him. They took a long time or. No, it wasn't like they were just there.

Jack: No, I think they got lost in the desert and they followed the north Star or something.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess they didn't get lost because they were just following the north star.

Jack: Which doesn't make sense if they were following it because it was north. Unless they were in the south, I guess.

Cristina: Right, but how does that tell them where Jesus is?

Jack: I don't know. That story really doesn't kind of hold a lot of water when you really think about it. But that's how the Bible works, essentially. Don't think about it too hard. But that being said, they came from Africa.

Cristina: I don't know. They could go they from it. I don't know.

Jack: Coming to Jerusalem. You're coming to Jerusalem?

Jack: That's in the Middle East. You follow the North Star. The star in the north. You came from south. Otherwise it would not have led you to Jesus. It would have led you elsewhere. If you were left of Jesus and you followed the North Star, then you went, I don't know, to India.

Cristina: You know, I think they just made up stories of where they came from. This is, I think that Persia, India, Arabia. How close is that to Jesus?

Jack: That's all the Middle East.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: It's pretty close. Yeah.

Cristina: Are they close to each other? How did they end up next to each other?

Jack: It's not possible that these guys showed up on the same day. That's just not possible. I don't know if it said they.

Cristina: Showed up on the same day.

Jack: I know that they were there.

Cristina: It seemed like they were traveling together though, the whole time.

Jack: Which makes less sense if they're from these three. I'm gonna go like a month ahead of time to this other unrelated country to pick up Bob. And then me and Bob are gonna go to this second unrelated country to me and first unrelated country to Bob to pick up Steve. And then the three of us, because we're buddies like that, we're just buddy kings, you know, we're gonna travel up north to see baby Jesus. But never mind that. Chances are we are surrounding the area that we are going to go to anyways. So we probably cross paths with where we're headed. And it's probably been shorter had we all just gone to the middle or something, but okay.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know if that story makes sense. I mean, it doesn't need to make sense, does it?

Jack: It doesn't need to make sense. Most stories don't make sense and their.

Cristina: Gifts are lame anyway.

Jack: But where are their gifts?

Cristina: It's like, here's a cup gold and some plants.

Jack: I mean, it depends on what scale do you mean, right? So you're like, this is useless. But what if that gold instantly made him rich, right? Like a specific kind of gold is.

Cristina: Like, oh, what if it was just one little gold coin though?

Jack: That's total garbage. Then he's a douchebag. But what if it's a really. It's like they don't know how expensive it is, but it's way ahead of his time. And in like 10 years, they'll discover the material and he's like, I'm this good. Gives it to the baby Jesus for 10 years. Baby Jesus is like, yeah, my cool little medallion thing. And then boom, they discover it in his area. And he's like, holy crap. Like, the dude gave me a coin. It's I'm filthy. Rich.

Cristina: It looks like they just gave him crap to me, though.

Jack: Yes. Total dirt.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: He just showed up in here. Baby.

Cristina: Where you come from.

Jack: Yes. You are the messiah. Dirt to face, doof.

Cristina: I don't know. It's smelly there. I think they're. They're, like, used for incest. Is that what it's called?

Jack: But, like, what if it changed their lives? So they discovered this dirt, and then they discover lavender. Lavender incense. And then boom, everybody's chill. Thus making the society more accepting of baby Jesus. Boom. And then that coin. So you got the coin, the gold, right? You gave him the gold coin? It's just one coin. It seems dumb until they discover that type of gold in the area and he's a millionaire instantly. And then the other guy, he gave you the plant. But this plant. Oh, it's for his people. They use it for everything. They heal everything. But you don't know this yet, but your people slowly catch up. Studying your plant, put it everywhere. Now all your people are healthy all the time as compared to other people. So these three kings preemptively made a paradise around baby Jesus.

Cristina: You think Jesus did anything with these things?

Jack: H***, no. I am so sure that all of that disappeared when these people had to run for their lives immediately following that.

Cristina: What? Mary had to run for her lives, her life.

Jack: There's no way that a cult of people gathered in a barn to worship a baby and people literally traveled from outside, made kind of a lot of noise about this baby.

Cristina: People must have freaked out.

Jack: People must have freaked the f*** out. They had to get the h*** out of there. The reality of the matter is they had to leave. There was a lot of noise about the next Messiah, and clearly we can tell because it eventually took place. They. They're not fond of that thought.

Cristina: It sounds like a cult of people just worshiping a baby. It sounds kind of scary. That's like little horror movie things.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. If you took this out of context and just showed me this thing without telling me it had anything to do with Jesus. A bunch of people go into a dark bar surrounded by farm animals, ladies screaming, it's raining outside. Thunder. And the people just gathered, Gathered, Excited, excited. Strangers, people in robes. And people dress weird. Just like a ghost. Bros, head to toe in just like a ghost outfit. I'm like a pope. These kings dressed in gowns and robes, this weird culty gathering, excited about the baby. Then they hold the baby up. Everybody's like, oh, yeah, it's God. She gave birth to God. Look at it.

Cristina: Yes, go.

Jack: God's right there in front of us. We're all chosen to be here and see it happen. Oh, my God.

Cristina: And we got him gifts.

Jack: And we brought him gifts. We brought God gifts. He's gonna be so happy with us.

Cristina: Yeah. So creepy.

Jack: Totally creepy. Dude. This is just real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People believe this happened. And they're like, yeah, we're cool with it.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: And then we go and pretend we drink blood and eat human flesh. It's chill, bro.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's chill. All we do is worship and try to eat them. Hopefully one day I eat one of these little bread flakes and it tastes like skin. And I'm like, oh, I've crossed over. I truly believe now. My faith is. Yes, My faith is so solid, I can taste the flesh. Wow, this cup tastes like blood.

Cristina: That's disturbing.

Jack: The blood of Jesus. He's communicating with. He's trying to be so close to me right now. It's a cup of blood. It's not. Everybody drank it. They're like, it tastes like wine. They tasted. Oh, my God. It tastes just like blood. It must be Jesus blood. Little do you know, that's the moment you're having, like, a stroke or something.

Cristina: You're like bleeding in your mouth and you're tasting your own blood because you.

Jack: Also ate the flesh. So you just, like, bit you. So you did it in that order. You took the cookie and you're like, maybe you did drugs or something.

Cristina: You did yourself mad.

Jack: Yeah, you just did drugs or something. And you're like, you're not feeling things too well. And you eat the bread and then blam. Take a piece of your tongue. But you don't even know. Wow, this is gummy. This is fleshy. Oh, my God. Is it happening? Am I connecting to God right now? And then afterwards, you take the wine and you pour it, but the wine is alcohol, so it's thinning your blood and making your tongue bleed more. And so you got something gummy, which is just a chunk of your tongue, and your mouth feels like blood. And you throw that wine in there and it tastes more like blood. And you're like, what? What? I'm. I'm in God gasming.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Oh, that's a good word. I'm godgasming. Isn't that when people like, oh, yes, bro, that's a godgasm.

Cristina: Godgasm. It's the opposite of being. What's it called?

Jack: Possessed.

Cristina: Possessed. There you go.

Jack: Oh, my God. A godgasm is the opposite of possession.

Cristina: It's almost the same.

Jack: It's almost the same thing. It's almost the same thing.

Cristina: There's something possessing you in both cases, though, right?

Jack: God isn't possessing you. He's touching you.

Cristina: That's not better. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Now he's just coming in contact with your private Soul. Yeah. Yes, 100%. The Godgasm. The greatest thing ever made was a godgasm. Was a God gasm. I mean, based on how people are behaving, it must be astounding, right? The craziest thing is that these people gathered in this barn, hidden in a dark, rainy, stormy night, presumably. I don't know if that's true. You know, I'm just adding scenery here, but, you know, it's raining and stormy and they're hiding in the dark because electricity didn't happen. So they had like a lantern just highlighting the v***** of this woman as she lays on the floor. A bunch of people just staring dead at.

Cristina: And they're like, yeah, that does look like a version of v*****.

Jack: Yeah, it does looks. It checks out. It checks out. And then the baby is born. And the craziest part about this is everybody in that room is hoping to get a God gas. They. They want to be possessed by God and him earned, Touched. They want God tingles. They want a God gasm after God tingles them a little.

Cristina: That sounds so wrong.

Jack: That's what they want. They want to be one with God. They want God inside them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're hoping that baby.

Cristina: That's so disturbing.

Jack: They're like, that baby is gonna be inside me one day. I'm feel him inside me. And it's gonna be great. It's gonna. It's gonna feel like pure love.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: It's gonna feel like pure love. That baby's gonna be inside me and it's gonna feel like pure nothing. Pure loving goodness. Pure loving goodness.

Cristina: This is all horrible.

Jack: That baby right there. And then king one nudges arm of king two, and he's like, right? And king two is like, yeah, this is gonna be great. That baby's gonna. We're gonna be one with that baby.

Cristina: That's disturbing.

Jack: No, like what you say. You said let's feel like pure loveness. I agree. I agree. Yeah. Yeah. Pure, pure loveness. Pure loveness.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. You love it. That's what they want. They're begging for it. They will literally die for it.

Cristina: They gave some crappy gifts.

Jack: They were solving his life's problems. It's not Jesus's fault that he was born with an Average IQ and didn't solve these issues.

Cristina: What issues?

Jack: Whatever issues the gifts were meant to solve. One was poverty, the other one was medicine. And the other one was like, you haven't figured out what dirt is yet. Here's some dirt. You know, here's a plant that'll heal all your ailments forever.

Cristina: Planet growing to warn him about climate change.

Jack: Yes. If you. I guess. Can you imagine. That's the real wisdom of that one years. He's supposed to live forever.

Cristina: All three, if you add them together. It's a warning about climate change.

Jack: It's a warning about.

Cristina: Yes. The gold is gonna be the greed that ruins the earth, which is the dirt. And the plants are gonna die off. And that's why there's plants involved. And oh my God.

Jack: I guess can. D***. The Three Kings knew about climate change.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they were hoping the Messiah could. To solve it.

Cristina: Yes. That's all it was about.

Jack: That's all it was about. The Three Kings knew that God is about to be born. Let us bring us. Let us bring him our problems.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Our society is collapsing because of poverty. I'm going to give him money and he's going to figure out how to solve this problem. Next place comes, our people cannot grow the medicine that we need. So I'm gonna give it to the. God. To God. God's gonna be born. I'll give it to God and he's gonna figure out how to make this plant grow. And yes, it's gonna come. He's gonna hit baby Jesus with dirt. He's gonna say, here's dirt. Everybody had wishes. I don't have, like, I got dirt. Here's some dirt. And maybe you can make this dirt awesome the way you can make that other stuff awesome, bro. Like whatever, just give me.

Cristina: He's just a lazy one.

Jack: Yeah, give me something cool. And so they were all coming because they believed truly at the bottom of their heart that he is going to solve their problems. And then he just became a carpenter instead. So then they put a hit on him. They're like, it's third. It's 30 years.

Cristina: They have nothing to do with.

Jack: It's been 30 years. And he did not. I mean, they had to be old, right? They're kings.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: So each one of them is what, like 12? The oldest person alive at that point.

Cristina: Yes. And then that 20, they d die.

Jack: Yeah. So so this. These guys somehow now 60 or 80 or whatever, they're dead.

Cristina: They're now 60, they're 40 and they die.

Jack: And Jesus starts preaching and they're like you.

Cristina: And on their deathbeds, you, you still.

Jack: You'Re tell, you're now talking about you being God. It's your 30 year old birthday and you're just out there talking about being God. And you still have not solved my problems. My people are starving, we are dying because the money has collapsed. And you didn't figure it out. Go kill Jesus. And then the other guy was also like, you have not solved the diseases that my people have been plagued with. God, go kill him. And then the other guy's like, my dirt is the same it's been since I gave you some of it. And the dirt hasn't changed. Somebody go kill him. And then there wasn't an episode, epic John Wick battle, where Jesus is John Wick and he's fighting the three greatest assassins sent in by the Three Kings, who were formerly believers but are now just Jesus's greatest rivals.

Cristina: Jesus is about is Baba Yaga.

Jack: Jesus Yaga, they call him.

Cristina: That name doesn't even make sense.

Jack: Yes, it totally does not.

Cristina: But I love it.

Jack: Truly an overpowered witch.

Cristina: But no, no to all of this.

Jack: Yes, it doesn't really make sense. I don't know what the h*** those kings. All the plot holes, bro. All the plot holes that exist. It's phenomenal.

Cristina: It's human.

Jack: It's human. I mean, look, what's the ultimate premise here? We know that computers can't imitate being human. And we know that humans are still sometimes very similar to animals.

Cristina: Definitely.

Jack: But we can use computers to imitate animals, can we? Perfectly, sometimes. So why can't we imitate humans if humans are no different than animals? There is some exceptionality to humans. There's something weirder about us and it shouldn't like, yeah, we have a bigger brain and we exercise that and that's how we survive. That's no different than the animal that figured out speed stats or the one that like went all in on strength or something. You know, we just went all in on brain. We're slow and like fragile and anything will kill us. But we're so smart, we alter our world. Yeah, great, whatever. That's still nature. Why can't we create a computer that can imitate it perfectly?

Cristina: Or have we? Since that guy from Google said that thing like, who knows, maybe there are robots out there that are fully sentient. Yes.

Jack: I don't know, man.

Cristina: And they're all around us and they're just watching us or writing to us, who knows? Or calling us.

Jack: I don't Know, man, You think we're truly kids. Crazy, right? That means that the scale of humanity is. It's so vast because we got geniuses. Geniuses with the capacity without even understanding what consciousness is. Being able to generate consciousness. We learned how to create consciousness before we know what it is. Powerful. We don't even know what the universe is. And we can alter it already. That's weird. Weird.

Cristina: We don't need to know.

Jack: We don't need to know. We don't need to know. We can, but that's problematic. That's how we f*** s*** up.

Cristina: But yes.

Jack: Yeah. You know, if we not understanding the rules before, we're trying to break them. And the golden rule is learn it and then break it. But learn it.

Cristina: We definitely don't do that.

Jack: We don't do that. We don't do that. But, you know, we got smart people breaking reality.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Generating entire universe. Many tiny universes the size of our own universe in infinitesimally small points and then taking a snapshot of that information to then dissect later. What. What we do.

Cristina: That's insane.

Jack: We do that. Whoa. That's crazy as h***. But then we also have the level of intellect. Kind of like this one time that Shakira was just at an airport and then she was around a bunch of people who were swarming her plane after she had just gotten down. And they were so mesmerized by Shakira and blown away by the fact that she was there, that directly next to her, 2, 3ft to the side, a boar was stealing her luggage. And everybody was kind of just amazed at like, wow, look at the boar. Steel. Shakira's luggage. Wow. A.

Cristina: A boar, like a pig.

Jack: Yes. Was stealing her luggage. And people were standing around, hands that it was happening to Shakira.

Cristina: Was she saying anything like, hey, someone, my luggage is.

Jack: She's just like, you got nobody. Is this real? Is this even happening?

Cristina: This is really happening. What is he doing?

Jack: It must be so weird to be a celebrity and consistently see the hole in the Matrix, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Yes. But there's a boar stealing your lug. That's even more.

Jack: That's weirder than what the humans are doing.

Cristina: Yes. Like they're doing what they do. But why is there a bore stealing Earth luggage? What? That is weirder. I don't know. Yeah.

Jack: Everybody was just quietly watching it happen. Nobody was talking or cheering. Just standing there watching it just like.

Cristina: That is so crazy. But NPCs, yo.

Jack: For real. For real. They are totally NPCs. It is so weird. It's so weird, dude.

Cristina: They saw a celebrity and were more distracted by her than the weird, weird thing that was happening.

Jack: Being a celebrity has to be so strange.

Cristina: It's gotta be like, there could have been an alien next to her. And they're like, no, but look, she came.

Jack: Yeah, dude, straight up, like, you gotta understand. We're looking at how weird they are in this one incident that somebody made a comment about it, which was Shakira. This is. She was like. She posted online or something about it. Like, are you people crazy? Like, what Was that moment real? Was this a real thing? And like, when you think about it, when you really think about it being like these mega celebrities did, you're always watching humanity devolve into their primal, animalistic ways. Just walking by them. You just watch intellect drop to zero and instinct take over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whoa. You're just another f****** person. But something about your job choice in life affects another person's entire being where.

Cristina: They forget that you're human.

Jack: Yes. And you're just walking by people and turning them primal.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's so weird. It's so weird. It's kind of disturbing.

Jack: It's so strange. So freaking weird. How are you getting this? How weird is it? But also, like, she's already has to be like a magnet for this, right?

Cristina: Yes, but what. That's all ridiculous. Like, boys are dangerous. What if she. The bore. Her. Her. Would have anyone have done anything? Would they have then done something? That's ridiculous.

Jack: Yeah, but, man, that's weird because at that point there. So she's being watched and she's used to being watched and still had to make a comment about how weird this was. So what is she not like. What is she numb to at this point? You know, how much weird s*** does she see that it took that level of like a whole other creature had to be involved in how weird this moment was.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And she's. Then we hear about it. Then we hear somebody comment. We don't hear celebrities every day be like, oh, yeah, there was a bunch of people standing outside my house simply because I live here. Just. I just live here. And that's why there's people outside. Who am I? I'm a guy. What do I do? I have a job. And because I have a job, there's people outside my f****** house waiting to see if they can look at me. Just once. They're gonna go, get off on having looked at me.

Cristina: A lot of. What's this? That security? No. Well, yeah, security, but also when you don't want people around you on a certain.

Jack: Oh, like warrants. Not warrants. I know we're talking. Dan. That word would come to me instantly.

Cristina: I know.

Jack: A restriction.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You're so close or something.

Cristina: Oh, it's right there. It's right in the edge of my mind.

Jack: That thing.

Cristina: That thing where, like someone's stalking you. You have that thing.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: So that they can keep away from your surroundings. Area.

Jack: Exactly. Exactly. They probably. I guess they do. That's so strange.

Cristina: So strange. But they have to. There's some people who are just way too weird.

Jack: D***. And people just want to like be with you by force.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And this again. A person who's used to it. What don't we hear about? Yes, but now flip it. What about people who don't know they're being watched? Because we're watching. In the case of something like Shakira. She's watching humans and she's who we're looking at. That's one of the weird aspects. But what weird things do normal people do when they're not being watched? That would be weird.

Cristina: What the normal people do.

Jack: I mean, I guess a nun isn't a normal person.

Cristina: A what?

Jack: A nun.

Cristina: A nun.

Jack: Yeah. Nun isn't a normal person. And we've had weird things with nuns before. Like the nuns biting people and the nuns meowing.

Cristina: But they're. They're supposed to be normal people. I don't know know why. They're not very normal sometimes.

Jack: They're totally not. But this morbid specific nun is cool.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. She didn't know that there was a camera on a car or something in the area that was recording her. But a nun went into the graveyard and dug out a body and danced with the skeleton on video without knowing she was being recorded though.

Cristina: That's so disturbing. That's not a nun.

Jack: No, it was a nun.

Cristina: That was a nun. What?

Jack: Hot. Dancing with.

Cristina: Does she know this skeleton?

Jack: Don't know.

Cristina: How did she even do it?

Jack: That's a really.

Cristina: Did they watch her dig it out? Break the thing it was in?

Jack: I don't. I'm not entirely sure. I know. She shows up and is eventually dancing with the skeleton.

Cristina: It's gotta be a fake skeleton. She just keeps saying the grave. I don't know. There's no way she actually dug out a dead body.

Jack: And no way the skeleton would hold together if it was real either.

Cristina: Yeah. So I think it was a fake skeleton.

Jack: It could have been.

Cristina: It's so weird. It's so weird. But it's less weird. No, it's equally weird.

Jack: But now my question is, how often does weird s*** like that happen? Right?

Cristina: Yeah. Just weird activities that you feel like doing.

Jack: Yeah. People don't normally do in front of other people. And like 99% of every human doesn't get shared with the outside world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're just s*** you keep inside your head. But like, for a normal person, what's like the craziest s*** they have in their head that doesn't get actualized?

Jack: But if they could. If everything you could do and wanted to do wouldn't be judged or punished, you'd do everything. What thing would most people do? Ooh, interesting question.

Cristina: Most people do.

Jack: Yeah. What thing would most people do if there'd be zero judgment and if everything was nonsense, unpunishable, Walk around naked?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: A lot of people would do that. I think a lot of people would also rape.

Cristina: Oh my God.

Jack: Yeah. But it would get dark. A lot of people would rape. Like a lot of the rape. We know where it's going. It's horrible.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Priests. Oh God. Friend frenzy. Frenzy. Oh. All the priests running out of all the Catholic churches just high fiving each other. It's. It's time, boys.

Cristina: That's the servant. Okay.

Jack: They're like this. We've been doing this for so long and now God has given us our gift. Let's go out. We prayed for everything, for us, for what we want. And now it's granted. Let's go. No, they high five Bob and Steve. The priest high five minute here and they're like. Yeah. And then there's like that priest names.

Cristina: Are Bob and Steve.

Jack: Everybody's name is Bob. But they high five in midair. There's like a snapshot of them in the middle of the high five. And then 80s music starts playing.

Cristina: That's awful.

Jack: Credits start rolling and then, you know, credits finished. We get a marvel moment where you're like hit the hidden scene, you know. And it's right after they finish the high five and they land. And then the camera starts turning as they turn to. So they're looking at like wherever they just came out of the church or whatever. And the camera starts turning to the opposite side of the church. Church. They're looking at the church too. We were looking at their backs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so the camera's turning to see. And they're also slowly turning. And by the time they're turned fully, the camera's behind them again.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And what they're looking at is the Preschool across the street.

Cristina: Oh, I knew preschool or something. Why? Why?

Jack: Can't make everything not judgeable or punishable.

Cristina: So that's not why.

Jack: D***. It Would immediately go there. And not just priests. It would just.

Cristina: A lot of people do weird things. Weird things that people do.

Jack: Like, that lady will be a lot of that too.

Cristina: Anything horrible. She was just doing something weird.

Jack: She was. For sure. And the majority is gonna be just weird things.

Cristina: Yes. But like, why rape?

Jack: Because for some reason, that's a real common thing. That's real common. That's nuts. At least. I mean, it depends on our definition of rape, I suppose. But that's too deep into the weeds, you know?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It would really rely heavily on that. But no, I'm pretty sure murder and rape are at like, the top of the list for a lot of people. This is like, what? I want to know what it feels like, man.

Cristina: Yes. I want to know how it feels like being inside a dog.

Jack: Yeah, somebody's gonna do that. Nobody's gonna judge me. Zero judgment. And I know factually there's gonna be zero judgment.

Cristina: No.

Jack: You know how many people are gonna do that?

Cristina: Kind of be weird, like tasting weird food or something.

Jack: Other people who are like, I remember that video about the guy getting f***** by the horse. Ever since I've wanted to get f***** by a horse, but I know he would get judged because I myself judged him. Even if I'd like to get f***** by a horse too. But judgment ceased to be a thing. So I'm gonna go buy a horse. Nobody's gonna judge me for buying a horse. Then I get f***** by my horse, and nobody's gonna judge me for that. That. So, yes, there's be a lot of weird s*** happening in every direction. All kinds of messed up. Somebody's is gonna be like, man, I miss out on the toilet paper. Buying a ton of toilet paper just to have that experience. People got their college experience, people got there. Their prom experience.

Cristina: You know what I would say I.

Jack: Have not experienced the panic. Buying them so many just go and buy a ton of toilet paper.

Cristina: Is that what you're gonna do?

Jack: Buy all the toilet paper?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Just totally kill the toilet paper in one store.

Cristina: So ridiculous.

Jack: That's nuts. Would it. What would they do? I wonder if you could restart the. The panic by doing something random like that. If there's enough cameras and enough people that if you get like, just enough actors and you guys agree, right? You get together and you're like, look, we're gonna go. We're gonna scramble through the store, like, s***'s about to hit the fan. And we're just gonna tell people, I'm just getting ready. Anytime they ask, I'm just getting ready. Like you're scared. I'm just getting ready. Leave me alone. I'm in a rush. And all five of these homies decide that's what you're gonna do and say. And so they really race into a store slowly. They don't come in together, but they.

Cristina: Don'T have to just buy toilet paper. Or they are.

Jack: They're gonna throw a crap ton of toilet paper, but they're gonna get cans of food and stuff too. You know, make it convincing. Yeah, but a crap ton of toilet paper. I guess it doesn't even have to be. Screw toilet paper. I want to restart the chaos. So these resend. These five people, and they start grabbing things and start behaving all frantic, but they're not giving anybody any information.

Cristina: How long before are they, like, saying, I'm getting ready?

Jack: Yeah, they're saying, I'm getting ready. Somebody asked them what's. What's the thing? But they don't even come together. You know, we send one, we send the next one a little later. Eventually, we make them overlap. So it looks more like the first one goes in, then leaves. The second one comes in and is there 30 minutes, but 15 minutes in the set, the next one comes in. So, you know, it looks like more is happening.

Cristina: Yeah, the.

Jack: For the last three, they're gonna show up when one of them. For the last two, they're gonna show up when the third one is still there. That's three people in panic. And so how long before there's. Yeah, a sixth person just starts grabbing toilet paper and food and can't. I see people getting ready, and they're not telling me what the f*** it's for. But you know what? I'm not an idiot. If I'm walking down a street.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And I see five people running like something horrible happened over there, am I gonna keep walking down that street? Or my turning around running to probably running. Let's assume this logic applies and that maybe I buy all this s*** for nothing. And it was a stupid thing I did once, but maybe the f****** running from something down the street and I just happened to see it, I'm gonna start running too. Let me start grabbing s***.

Cristina: Okay. So that's how that starts.

Jack: And that's it. Now you got another one. But how long before somebody else has the same thought?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Domino effect. Before long, we don't even know why the h*** any. What are we panicking about? I don't know. Everybody's freaked out and started buying.

Cristina: Yep. I don't know. They'll just relate it to the news somehow. They'll just remember something. Whatever. The last story they saw there was a school shooting. I'm doing this for that.

Jack: Yeah. You know, you're totally right. You're totally right. They're gonna say it's looting or some. We did it because we were trying to make. Because it can't be for no reason. Reason.

Cristina: It can't.

Jack: It can't be. We have to justify and rationalize everything in our minds. So it's definitely going to be that the. It's 100 going to be rationalized and got a grounded. It's got to make sense. This is why I did it. I'm not a drone. A mindless drone. This was a. I planned this behavior.

Cristina: There's going to be storm coming. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. Something. Exactly. I was scared for the storm. You guys in here. Oh, maybe the news is wrong, but whatever. I thought it was coming. As humans do. As humans do.

Cristina: I want to do what that lady's doing. I want to get a skeleton, take it to the grave and start dancing with it. That sounds like a fun plan.

Jack: That sounds dope. Right? Like that. That's a weird thing, but it's so poetic somehow. Like a nun dancing in the graveyard with a skeleton is just a poetic thought.

Cristina: Yeah. You just cover the skeleton with their. I think. Right. It can't just be a clean looking.

Jack: It needs to be a convincing skeleton. Yeah, yeah. It can't just be sparkly. It needs to look.

Cristina: Maybe you should keep it sparkly so that you don't get in trouble.

Jack: Or just dig up a skeleton.

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Just dig up a dead body. It's fine.

Cristina: Who's crazy? That doesn't even sound like an easy thing to do.

Jack: What.

Cristina: A dirty body.

Jack: Grave robbing.

Cristina: Grave robbing doesn't sound easy. Especially because you're specifically looking for a.

Jack: Skeleton grave robbing for a living. I'm sure somebody look. The deep web goes deep. And it's webby. I'm sure something on the webby. Deep web is a place where you can hire a guy to go rob a grave.

Cristina: But how does he know which one's gonna have a skeleton?

Jack: He's educated and researched. Well researched in this area.

Cristina: You just look for the Odyssey body.

Jack: No, he's like, oh, well, this. He's grave robbing for a reason. You're paying him you're not paying him to rob a random grave. That's unrelated to you. You're like, I heard that somewhere down the lineage of my family, there's this really expensive amulet thing, and I need you to go retrieve it. Grave robber guy. And grave robber guys can go do. You can pay him. He can give you the thingy. It's like, I found the thing. Or, hey, I looked in the thing and I never found the thing you were talking about.

Cristina: And I'll get a detective to spy on this gray point to make sure he doesn't steal it.

Jack: Well, no, because more people involved. He has to be a reliable person, right?

Cristina: If I'm finding him online, I don't know, how do I know that he is?

Jack: Oh, maybe he wants further business in the future. And like, if you're already a person who's willing to pay for this kind of service, like, maybe you'll do it again. So, like, I need you to want more work from me.

Cristina: I don't know why I would.

Jack: Like, it's unlikely, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Unless. I don't know. I don't know, man. I guess maybe he has to work for a group of people who specifically find out about dead people who've been buried with things, keep the information long enough, and then go dig up the jewelry that they know. So they got it. Has to be an operation. There has to be a guy in the morgue when they're propping up the body. Or not the morgue, whatever. The funeral home, when they're propping up the body to look right and be displayed how they want to be displayed with the necklaces and rings and maybe some lovely this and some lovely that. And there has to be guy taking note about this and he writes it in his little notebook, takes note. This body. Okay, Watch this. See where it's buried, talks to the boys. Okay, this much crap, this is worth digging up. Because this could go into the bigger pot. Put the body in. This is how many bodies I saw today. They had expensive things we can do. We could build a root, knock down a bunch of bodies, Dirt, fresh. Nobody's even going to know we robbed them. Because we're the people who put them there. We know how to make this look the same way we did. And then by the end of the night, we have a bunch of loot. We've robbed all the dead bodies. By the time bodies decomposed, nobody even knows.

Cristina: Simple.

Jack: Yeah, simple operation. Hit it. Got it.

Cristina: But with a person who's just randomly hiring that person to find jewelry, how do they trust that?

Jack: I mean, the guy is still in business. You have to assume that that other operation he's running, he's still running, running. And that betraying you means you might try to find out and expose whatever is keeping him afloat.

Cristina: How do I know I'm not his first customer?

Jack: Boom. Interesting. And then he's just robbing his first customer. Yeah, he's gonna rob every customer.

Cristina: Yeah, he's just scamming anyone.

Jack: Eventually somebody is gonna try to get back at him, you know?

Cristina: Okay, so you need to be like.

Jack: Go rob this place. And then there's just a person who's gonna kill him. They're waiting. Oh, so he. There's no benefit.

Cristina: There's no benefit.

Jack: Somehow this comes back. Crime is about following rules.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But anyways, that's exactly why AI can't imitate humanity.

Cristina: Because we're insane.

Jack: Yes. We're out of our freaking minds. And we'll pull out a skeleton while being a nun, but for whatever reason, going to a graveyard and dance, because why the f*** not? But a computer, why won't do that? Because it's like. And it can't do that in a way that seems like, yeah, this person would do that if everything feels forced. With a robot.

Cristina: Yeah. They wouldn't do something just randomly. Like, even if it's random, it was a planned random.

Jack: Here's. I figured it out. The reason a robot can't imitate a human is because humans are unpredictable beyond reason, while animals are predictable to a frame fault. So we're having computers imitate the predictable side of animals, not their rational thinking side, which would, in case be the random, chaotic side at the same time, because that's their personality instinct drives other animals too heavily. And in return, a computer struggles to. A computer can imitate the instincts well, but with humans it can't. Because we have this weird ability to ignore an instinct so easily. And a computer creature struggles to emulate that ability. Yes, because it's not a pattern, it's the absence thereof or behavior despite the pattern.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So it's impossible, even if we are just similar to animals in that we have the ability to add randomness at will. Animals share that with us. But animals also share pattern being their driving force. Like computer. Computer. The computer can imitate the animal, but that's not our driving force anymore.

Cristina: Anymore. Although it does seem like a little bit.

Jack: And it's sprinkled in there, it's still there. It does a lot of things, but it's not like we can behave randomly. You Tell me. I come to you and I'm like, this is a cup. And you're like, no, that's not a cup. But then you can prove to me it's not a cup. I can still choose to ignore that. I can block the information out, you know?

Cristina: I guess.

Jack: Yeah, it's totally rational.

Cristina: Mm. That is. That's very rash, irrational.

Jack: Okay, but computers. Dumb. And they're dumb. Dumber. And humans. Perfect. Anyways.

Cristina: I don't know how, but okay.

Jack: Yeah. But anyways, we're running out of time, and it's. What we basically resolved today is that humans are weird and dumb.

Cristina: That is true.

Jack: And the computers still somehow struggle to imitate the dumb creatures we are.

Cristina: Yeah. How could they imitate? Like, if we had a computer in that crowd looking at Shakira and Navarro, what would it do?

Jack: That's interesting.

Cristina: Why would it, like. I don't know.

Jack: Like, it would freeze up, too. It's the computer. No, that would. That's right. The computer could imitate that moment accurately. Actually.

Cristina: Actually, are you sure?

Jack: I'm pretty sure. The computer would just freeze up too. It'd be like, what the do I do? So it's that the computer can at least imitate dumb people. Oh, you know, like, it couldn't imitate Shakira's reaction. She was like a thinking human there who's like, what the h*** is going on? But, like, it can't imitate. It could imitate the. The dumb people who were just, like, mesmerized by Ooh, Shakira.

Cristina: I'd be like, oh, why would it be like, ooh, Shakira?

Jack: No, it'd be imitating. It knows that's what people would do. And it's easy to imitate because it takes not a lot of work. It's just like, let me do nothing now.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, so yeah, computer is sharp. Conditionally. Anyways. Anyways, we're super out of time, you guys. You can, you know, see social stuff, talk to us, send us messages, learn about things, maybe listen to collection and stuff on social stuff on platforms and junk of that nature. You know, things and stuff. So you can do that at Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok. @ JustConvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.

Jack: Yeah. Leave us some stars. Be like, this show's great. Good stars. Or be like, this show sucks. Good stars.

Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yeah, word of mouth. It's very useful. Tell people about how we have proven today objectively, with nothing but science experiments rather than objective opinion. I mean subjective opinion that we have proven that computers are inferior to humans and cannot imitate the superior human intellect.

Cristina: Of course, of course. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks watching for for listening. Bye.

Jack: Oh, the bean itself is the seed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Plant beans and they will grow, becoming plants such as green beans becoming bean sprouts. Interesting. So a bean is self reproducing and.

Cristina: You'Re saying nuts aren't.

Jack: What the. Okay, usually. Okay, so you plant a nut and you get a tree and the tree drops nuts that you can plant, you grow. The only difference is is one is grown up, the other is grown down. And most peanuts have shells and most beans don't. The end.

Cristina: Nuts grow up though. Only peanuts grow down.

Jack: But peanuts grow under. What the f***? So 1. So is a peanut a bean?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. Yes. Right. I don't know. It makes no sense. They're very similar.

Jack: It's very similar. Yeah. Wow. Interesting. We learn something every day.

Cristina: Is a peanut considered a bean? Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 02, 2022

Rambling 182: Test Tube Babies

July 02, 2022/ GreyThoughts.Info

Was Roe v Wade good or evil? Are Bombshell Witnesses just TMZ employees? Can babies be grown in a tube? The duo unpack the one and only true solution to the Pro Choice Pro Life argument.

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Topics Discussed:

The Apocalypse
Bombshell Witness
Roe v Wade
Test Tube Organs and Body Parts
Artificial Womb
Dolly the Cloned Sheep
Winnie The Clone
Genetic Engineering
Designer Babies

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast