Grey Thoughts

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Ramblin Podcast. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. That's my best impression of Jerry Seinfeld. That was the most impressive and baffling. Not even impressive. Baffling ideas. What's the deal with airline food? That's what he sounds like to me. What's the deal? What's the deal with airline food?

Cristina: I don't think it sounds like him, but that's definitely something he would say.

Jack: Bare minimum. It's his cadence, even if it's not like his voice. Right. He has like that weird drag. Oh, my God, he has that thing going on. Even if I don't sound like him, his cadence is there is the substance of what makes up his kodansi. Yes, his kodansai. So listen to me, bruh.

Cristina: I'm listening.

Jack: We've been deep diving into s***. Look, a couple of episodes ago, we stumbled upon the Sun Gods. And that was some crazy nonsense about people making a scientific group together with people from the Shadow Realm and some Naga and some. Some Egyptians. And it was weird.

Cristina: It was very weird. Yeah.

Jack: And we were like, wow, people working with the Shadow Realm. But we. We got there by chasing the Naga through Oros. And then I was like, how do I do. I know the Mayans are connected somehow because they always usually show up. It seems the Mayans and the Egyptians are the two most connected groups among all the people, and they're across the world from each other. And so I was like, we gotta look and follow this path right back to the Mayans next time. Which we did. And what did we stumble upon?

Cristina: The Moon Gods. I don't remember.

Jack: No, that's from the Shadow Realm. That's all right. That's what we're calling the people in the Shadow Room for the Universe. I don't remember the Earth Gods. Yeah. Which are essentially a bunch of botanists trying to make life out of plants and stuff, which was interesting and weird, but it was consistent. There was a bunch of Earth Realm people, a bunch of Shadow Realm people, and Naga again. Working together. Working together. And then one really weird part about that was a confusing tidbit at the very end where there's just some stuff that says, oh, yeah, oh yeah, there's.

Cristina: Research in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Yeah, there's research, not research in the Shadow Room. We don't know that for a fact. They brought. Somebody gave them. Yeah, I guess there's research in the shadow room. It's portal research.

Cristina: The portal research came from the shadow realm. Yeah, that's what that was. Yes.

Jack: But then alternatively, the sea people made a portal for the Mayans, and that was weird.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Anyways, I know a lot of the time it seems like it's very disconnected because I have the imagery and I never bring it in because I just pull out the data and the information, extract that, and kind of keep moving forward from that point. But I. I felt it was necessary maybe for you to look at the actual imagery that connects a lot of this stuff. So I just put them all together because I found the location that was all putting it. And it's like this is how intensely similar these two cultures are looking at the same things, the same visuals, the same structures. And they claim that they were given all the specs by the sea people. So their civilizations were developed by the blueprints that the sea people provided. Here's the entrance of some temples.

Cristina: Is the choice of the entrance importance in some way?

Jack: No, it's just architecture provided by the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: From one all the way in Mexico and the other one in Egypt. Very far apart. More structural similarities. Structure similar. It's gonna get way weirder.

Cristina: What is this?

Jack: Here you got this little T shape that matters and then the little curvy uppy thingy. And here you got the T shape with a little curvy uppy thingy. The difference is the Mayans had a lot of sculptures, as opposed to the Egyptians that had a lot of hieroglyphs.

Cristina: What does that mean? What could you guess about what the image is, or.

Jack: Well, over time, we have enough references that we can pull stories out of them. And when you compare notes, a lot of it is identical. But these are mainly, we're talking architecture and art, how identical they are. Because if I showed you text, they look very different. There's no point. What they're saying is the same, but then we gotta deep dive into that. So it's irrelevant to show you images of those unless you could read them both in their vein of tongues. But this is just consistently like, this is a weird one. The two lions facing away from each other. Now, we know lions aren't even for the Egyptians or the Mayans. It's what the sea people worship.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Anywhere the sea people are, we see these very detailed sculptures of lions. So here are two lions in some cases, connected by this kind of cross symbol.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The circle and then you have the lions again connected, but there's no cross symbol.

Cristina: There's no cross on, but they're still.

Jack: Connected and facing away from each other more or less the same way with a kind of barrier division in the middle. It's going to get weirder and weirder. It's exactly the same image as before.

Cristina: That's Egyptian. And that's what weird.

Jack: Right?

Cristina: Okay, that was. That's weird. His face is. Do you know who?

Jack: Well, it reminds me of Buddha. But interesting enough, the Mayan version of this is scary. Well, it's ancient. It looks significantly more ancient. And what's interesting about it is, are they. Who are they depicting? If they are both showing us an individual that looks the same. Is this what the sea people look like?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: You see that? I found that interesting. This is the most vivid version of like a human face that they both have going on. It has the features of human face. Is that what the sea people look like in our current day cultures that came from the Persians and that came from the Mayans. Based on the sea people is like those red dots. The, you know, the tribal look. Was it adopted because they were following these people who were like gods to them.

Cristina: What are we looking at there? What's that?

Jack: We're looking at the dot on the forehead of a face. The dot on the forehead of a face. Just weird that this was a consistency through both of them. Dot on the forehead, the dot on the forehead. This got weird because I've seen both of these and I never connected. The fact that they're. It's a take on the same thing. It is.

Cristina: I have no idea what the first one is. I've never seen the Mexican.

Jack: It's like a human animal type of thing.

Cristina: Mm. Is it as big?

Jack: I don't. I have no idea what the scale is. I know the Sphinx is pretty large, but this is another real particular interesting kind of too exact thing going on.

Cristina: What exactly.

Jack: We got what's essentially a snake with two hands that the snake is laying on and they're kind of creating the same shape.

Cristina: Oh, those are the snake.

Jack: It's the coiled body of something. And it's weird that the structure is exactly the same. One Egyptian and the other Mayan. What weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Such identical stuff going on. Either they saw symbols or something very weird. Again, here we got the guy trapped in the thing with the two people. What's happening? Portal.

Cristina: That looks. Yes, portal.

Jack: Are they sending somebody somewhere?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What's happened?

Cristina: That's. So that's a portal. Snow, I don't know, but it's so similar. Whoa. What is happening there?

Jack: What ritual is taking place here? We have a man standing over another person, another person crowning them or about to bash them in the head or something. And the hat the guy has is the same. Why? Why is that the case here? That's the weirdest part. You just got people dress identical across the Earth from each other.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: Very odd. Very strange. These are less related. It's just interesting how they structured these the same when they don't normally write this way. The Egyptians do, but the Mayans don't. Yet the Mayan still had laid out in a similar fashion these little cube structure things, the same way that the Egyptians would normally lay out their hieroglyphs. Also, the eye of Ra is that eyeball there, which is the snake, the serpent.

Cristina: Oh, that's the serpent's eye.

Jack: Yeah. Is the eye of rock. What the f*** is happening here? How is this hallway identical?

Cristina: I don't know. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: None of this makes sense. All of these things, the structure of their ancients were identical. The layout to the pyramids were identical. Here we have even more. This is. What's. This is the most interesting one. This is actually the last slide here, the seven points.

Cristina: What do you mean? Oh, okay. There's seven dots.

Jack: There's seven dots. These three creatures in India, Russia and Mexico have the seven heads happening.

Cristina: Yeah. Like seven snakeheads or something.

Jack: Yeah. But then you go into the structural version of them and you have again, India, that happens to have the three dots. Egypt has the three dots. Dots. And the Iranians and the Iraqis, basically the other Persians also had those dots.

Cristina: Okay. And which was the first three?

Jack: It was India, Russia and Mexico. So we have India connecting in two different points, having both variants, which then connects to Mexico. So we have the Middle east down here and we have the South America and then the Northeast.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: Just everybody having the same visuals. Interesting enough. I've never seen the mention of Russia in any of this. And this is quite fascinating because. Why?

Cristina: You gotta look through their ancient history.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, gotta go way back.

Jack: It's. It's interesting, right?

Cristina: It's the weirdest thing, huh? But I wonder, what's the difference? Because why wouldn't they all choose the body version, like in. I guess.

Jack: No, it's just different representations. They wouldn't have the same art. But they're depicting the same things in their individual art. That's what's fascinating here.

Cristina: Yeah. Well, you haven't come across anything that. That could be representing?

Jack: No, I have no idea what the seven headed whatever or the seven points are, but they seem to be represented across both.

Cristina: Unless this is just another version of. I forgot what those creatures are called.

Jack: The Jinn. You think these are Jinn?

Cristina: No, the snake people.

Jack: Oh crap. I mean we do have one of them. It's literally a Medusa esque kind of thing going on.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So these could definitely be the Naga.

Cristina: No. Yeah, we know they come in different forms and stuff. They don't look the same from the ones we've seen in the past.

Jack: So what I do find the most interesting. Really? Really. Is this center shadow looking version from Russia that gives me shadow creature vibes.

Cristina: So it might not be a Naga.

Jack: Well, no. The other two give me Naga feels. For real?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then down here when we look at just the dots themselves, it's very different. It doesn't give me the vibe of either this representative of something that makes.

Cristina: Me feel like it's even more shadow people related.

Jack: The abstract, obscure nature of it.

Cristina: Right. Yeah.

Jack: The hidden we must. Unless this is somehow representing something from the sea. People who are even more hidden than the things in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Or we do have that one random story of the snake who would wasn't happy where he was at so he popped up somewhere else and became the God. Yeah. Like this could be just one of those stories. One of those creatures deciding no, because.

Jack: These are inside of other civilizations that were respected. Like Egypt had its leader who was not.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it doesn't apply that logic doesn't hold.

Cristina: That's true now.

Jack: Interesting. Right? I know I don't normally show you the imagery that I stumble upon while.

Cristina: Doing this research, but it is interesting.

Jack: But it's interesting and it's there. There's a lot of connection. I like that. I found this sort of like a lot connected all in one shot so I don't have to like fish them individually. So I was trying to find out because we've gotten mentions of shadow people hanging out with the minds and shadow people hanging out with the Egyptians. And so we know that people came from the shadow realm and we had people who weren't from the shadow realm abandon earthrealm and head to the shadow Realm. Abraxas particularly. So I went on a deep dive to find out whatever I could. And it took me way further back than I thought it would. But where we've been before, somehow it seems like the shadow realm had significantly more connections to us the further back we go.

Cristina: What do you mean, like, the further.

Jack: Back we go in time, the more access we casually had. The more forward in time we go, the more sealed up it seems to get.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As opposed to us starting to build away there now we shut it in a rediscovering away it seems to be. So following this trail, I went back to the Persians. Weirdly enough, it took me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Persians are kind of where it all began. The sea people who exist in the neck of the Persian Gulf, also known as the Persian Gulf Oasis.

Cristina: So you found out more about them before they.

Jack: Well, not necessarily. More going backwards when they were still called the Sumerians. So we have to unpack the Sumerians to come up with some kind of baffling details that I didn't know about before. But it's because we began where the sea people were because unicorns took us to the sea people. So we made that our starting point instead of going back and seeing like, okay, what else is there?

Cristina: Where did they come from before they left? Okay. What?

Jack: So the Persians, back when they were known as the Sumerians. Let us begin. There was a man named Shamash.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He was a Sumerian. We're not gonna keep calling them Sumerians. I'm just calling them Persians for the sake of us understanding who we're talking about. But all the Sumerians are Persians. So a Persian judge. A Persian judge known to shortcut through the underworld to reach his place of work. I read that, and I'm like, what the. Somebody's just casually coming in and out.

Cristina: That's just a normal thing in his.

Jack: Normal thing in his life. So Shemesh became well known by the Djinn and was employed in being a judge for the region of the shadow realm in which he'd venture this is just some Sumerian story.

Cristina: I mean, he is. He's not a judge in the. No, he is human world.

Jack: No, he is. He was just cutting path through the shadow realm. He somehow just found a way to get in.

Cristina: But he was judging them too.

Jack: He was using a shortcut. Yes, through the shadow realm to get to work.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: His work wasn't in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Shortcut means you're cutting through there.

Cristina: No, but it sounded like you also said something about.

Jack: Well, he was. Became familiar with the Djinn and was then employed by them to be a judge there too.

Cristina: That's exactly what I said. So he was. Me. He was a judge.

Jack: He specifically said he wasn't a judge in. Oh, yeah, he's a judge. He began as A judge in Earth Realm is the important detail here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then he shortcut it so frequently that he became familiar with the gin in the paths he was kind of taking. They became familiar with what he does and they're like, wait, your job is to judge people and give a verdict of sorts. Do that for us.

Cristina: It's weird, but okay.

Jack: Very strange. He told his sister Inanna of this path he'd found and the people he'd met traveling through through it, and of his. This peculiar tree. He found a weird tree he found in this forest. Because he was cutting through a forest. Inanna asked to see it personally. And one day on his way to work, she accompanied him through the path, right to the tree. She took a bite of the tree's fruit.

Cristina: What's gonna happen?

Jack: And was suddenly filled with an immense rush of knowledge unknown to those in the Overworld.

Cristina: What? It was just there. It was just there. Whoa. Why was it just there? And did he end up doing the same?

Jack: There was no mention of that. She took a bite of the fruit in the Shadow Realm. She just found a tree. Well, he found the tree in the Shadow Realm. Brought his sister. She bit a fruit in the Shadow Realm. And then. Just knowledge.

Cristina: Whoa. So that's just a normal tree. There's nothing special about that tree.

Jack: It was just a tree.

Cristina: I mean, over there, like, it's very special to us, but, like, it's just a tree over there. There was nothing protecting it. There was no nada. It was just. She just picked the fruit from it.

Jack: Now going backwards gets way weirder than us moving forward and finding connections, because the more back we go, the more dots that are just casually mentioned together.

Cristina: Okay, but is that the end of her story?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ganzir is an underworld palace ruled by the queen Ereshkigal and her family. They were chosen as the rulers of the region by the leader of the Shadow Realm, Sizen.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Sizen is exactly the same name that the Mayans used to describe the member of the Earth Gods that came from the Shadow Realm claiming to be the leader of the Shadow Realm. These are the f****** Sumerians, Persians way the h*** over there claiming. Oh, no, the leader's the same guy.

Cristina: Okay, but he chose one of the.

Jack: Just somebody else in the Shadow Realm to watch over this palace, this region. Okay, the weird part here is that they used the same name to describe the guy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like how again, you guys are divided by a f****** ocean, like, way long ago. How the h*** were you guys communicating? They're not even Persians yet. Mayans haven't happened yet.

Jack: How the f*** is this so on point?

Cristina: But the people know about this story?

Jack: I mean, yes, that's how we found out about it. Okay, through hieroglyphs and old texts. So, yes, they must have. Now, Geshtina, a botanist of the Genseer People. The Genseer palace is the one that's being ruled by the family chosen by SZM and Geshtinana.

Cristina: These are our Shadow People?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Geshtinana is a botanist of the Gandir People. Interesting. To a degree. A botanist in the Shadow Realm. Interesting. Whatever though. Until the next line here. Her younger sister, Ixchel. Is that name Platonic prodigy? Yes. She was also a member of the Earth Gods.

Cristina: She's the wife of that guy?

Jack: Yes. Yes, she is.

Cristina: What? These are the same names?

Jack: These are the same exact names. How?

Cristina: How?

Jack: Yep. Okay, but then when I just showed you the structures, like how.

Cristina: Yeah, that wasn't like Persia. Like, if we go to the time you're talking about, is there still stuff, art and etc from that time?

Jack: No, these writings predate those structures.

Cristina: Okay, because what did their art look like? Were they showing the same stories too?

Jack: I don't know. I think a lot of the events happen following this. Keep in mind that the events that we talk about on average, are after these people have already united with the other ones, the Earth Gods. Is these people after they've met the other people? Okay, right now we're talking about these people before they met the other people. We're talking about Ixchell and Susan before they met Izamna. You know, before Idzamna met Ra.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Okay, weird. But her younger sister, this Shadow Realm botanist, had a younger sister prodigy called Ixcham, who we know later is the wife of Vidzamba. Okay, now you wanted to know again about Shemesh's sister, so let's give you some more details about Shemesh's sister. The judge who wandered through the Shadow Realm. Who the f*** knows how he came in to know the younger sister of Shemesh and the first Overworlder to consume what they referred to as a fruit of knowledge.

Cristina: Of course they do. Of course. Okay.

Jack: Travels to the Shadow Realm with frequency. After familiarizing herself with it, she starts just kind of going on without them. Like it, I've already been here. I know how to get here. Well, now it's unclear how the h*** they're getting here. That part is not elaborated. I looked. I was trying to find out how the h*** how Are you just wandering into the Shadow Room? There must have been some gates somewhere that they've stumbled upon. They're probably wandering to the top of a mountain and popping up somewhere else. Yes, that's my theory. They all are also Persians, which tells me you're probably going to Mount. Probably just going to Mount Kaf. It's.

Cristina: That's probably where you're taking to it at all.

Jack: They don't hint to it at all. But also my cough is in the middle of a body of water. You taking a boat here every day? How are you getting to the mountain? It can't be. There has to be another way. There has to be another way. I don't know how, but maybe there.

Cristina: Was a path to the mountain that was built on the water and we just haven't found that story.

Jack: Could be 100%. Who knows? Now Inanna befriends Gannanana and Ixchel.

Cristina: I can't remember these names.

Jack: The wife of Itzamna.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: When she's just a little girl.

Cristina: It befriends this other person. Sister.

Jack: The judge's sister.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who keeps entering. She seems to be passing through the palace. The palace must be nearby. The one that sizen. This God of Death from the Shadow Realm. The one that he appointed this family to. And these are the botanists from that palace. And Inanna meets these people and befriends them.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And they bond over the knowledge of their respective realms. Ixchell, consumed with curiosity, decides to alternate every six months with Inanna. And they would swap places. I'll spend six months over there and then back over here. And when I'm over here, you're over there. When you're over there, I'm over here. I'll just keep swapping places every six months.

Cristina: I wonder why.

Jack: They just wanted. They were so curious about each other's worlds.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: But after only a single trip, they decided to swap places permanently.

Cristina: Whaaaat? Whaaat?

Jack: They didn't even do the six month thing?

Cristina: No. Wow. They're just like, nope, I'm in love now.

Jack: Yep. Inanna remains in Ganzir palace for the remainder of her life. And Ixshl remains in the Overworld for the remainder of her life.

Cristina: We don't really know what's the end.

Jack: Of her story of Inanna. Have no idea.

Cristina: Or I guess either of their stories.

Jack: Ixchil's story is to be part of the Mayan group and the Earth gods.

Cristina: Yeah, but like what happens to them? You don't know?

Jack: She marries itzamna she develops data storing technology. We know a lot of her life based on.

Cristina: We don't know what their conclusion.

Jack: No. As far as we know so far, no. And we have no idea what happens to Inanna because finding out what happens in the Shadow Realm without people coming back and telling us seems to be impossible. Yeah, seems to be impossible as of now. Now, Nettie, following the wandering of Shamash into the underworld, Sizen, the God of death, the ruler of the Shadow Realm, instructed Nettie to protect the portal.

Cristina: So there's a portal, of course, in.

Jack: And out of the Shadow Realm. He was shortly thereafter titled the gatekeeper of the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: So. But then this makes it seem like there's only one way in and out.

Jack: It was just that way that they were getting through.

Cristina: Okay. The humans.

Jack: Yeah. There was a way that somebody that they found and people were getting through it.

Cristina: Yes. And he was like, you're gonna protect this portal? Because so far, maybe there's just one.

Jack: There's probably many portals, but nobody seems to know how to go through them. Yeah, except this one. That's somehow casual.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Bellet Sari stationed with Nadi at this gateway to the Shadow Realm. She was in charge of recording, logging and reporting on any and all beings to come through the gates. With exception for Inanna and Shamesh, who had free passes.

Cristina: Cool.

Jack: Now a couple of more details about Sizen that we are quite familiar with to some degree. Sizen is the leader of all the Djinn in the Shadow Realm. We know that he's considered the highest being there. He is a God of sorts, a demonic godlike creature, even according to the Djinn. So the jinn are the human of the Shadow Realm. And they consider Susan some Unjinn, like other creature, some demonic powerful entity.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Out of everybody we have talked about unto this day, we can honestly break everyone down into being just another person. Either somebody who's consumed the fruit, somebody who has drunk blood, somebody who has done something weird to get abilities, or somebody who's using science to be there. With the exception for Mab that we have no explanation for. Assuming they are also just some sort of a scientist at a really high caliber in the Kardashev scale. And sizz it, they might be the.

Cristina: Same or similar things.

Jack: They might be similar things. It still seems that based on the idea of what Mab is, she might have created the Shadow Realm. Which means Szan must be below her. Unless he's not originally from there and he also comes from where she comes from. There's no way to know yeah.

Cristina: There's no way to know. That's complicated. But she's supposed to have made the Shadow Realm.

Jack: She made the Shadow Realm and Earthrealm and all the creatures within the Alphane.

Cristina: Okay. Man, that's a lot of work. Okay.

Jack: Who knows? It could have been instant. It could have been like the Hedron Collider. We don't really do much work. We turn it on, slam two atoms into each other. It took a fraction of a second. Done. We made an entire universe inside there. Like she could be that just running the computer.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just fascinating. There's a creature who is not like the other Jinn. Like, they are really considering him something different. Something elevated, something escalated. Inanna is just a chick. Shemesh is just a guy.

Cristina: But they don't use the word God, do they? To describe him.

Jack: The Djinn allegedly call Sizen a demonic godlike creature.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So he's something so overpowered in their eyes, they're not even considering him a creature like the rest of what they're used to within their world. He is somehow unrelated to everything else they see in the Shadow Realm. That's just normal to them.

Cristina: Okay. Some demon, God, creature thing.

Jack: Okay. Some whole other thing. Everybody else we have broken down all the way until we know that they are a scientist. A person who acquired something. Something that makes them seem godly to people. Yeah, but Mabin, Susan are exceptions to that rule.

Cristina: I wonder if they're similar to each other. We don't know enough.

Jack: We don't know enough. I know at least the Shadow Realm itself is a product of man. But we don't know if Susan is. Was he made from within the Shadow realm or did he go to the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yeah, or she made him to watch over it like she did so many other creatures of.

Jack: Yes. Is he still made by her but not from the Shadow realm?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fascinating. And if he isn't made by her, why is he in the Shadow realm? Because it would mean he is like her. But then would that mean the Mayans are more overpowered than the Egyptians? And maybe even the sea people?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Then again, the sea people are godly just through science.

Cristina: Yes, they win. I mean, they're the ones sharing everything with everyone.

Jack: Yeah. They have escalated to a point so far that Mab is shook that she is taken aback by the scale and power of these guys. Her own means to cap off power did not work.

Cristina: And probably the shadow people feel the same way about them. We don't know about the sea people. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: It's Completely possible. We only know of their ventures through the Overworld, but God d***, bro. It really seems like at this point, if Sizen, this godlike creature, joins the Earth people and still ends up relying on advances provided by the sea people, like, wow, what does that mean?

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: How high up on the Kardashev scale? Because, okay, we just got to think about the ancient Egyptians and the fact that if the great Void is in fact them, that's stars among stars among stars among stars or galaxies, depending. I'm not even sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: If it's entire galaxies, like, how far up the Kardashian scale are they? They're trapping entire galaxies within.

Cristina: And if they are doing that, they only got that way because of the sea people. Like, they're just sea people up there.

Jack: Yeah, the sea people are so beyond that. Most of space is just a plaything to them. They just happen to home base here.

Cristina: We're just so good at hiding everything.

Jack: Yeah. It's absurd, right? So unaware of when he came to exist, but powerful enough for most Shadow Realm creatures to fear and respect him. The Djinn consideration a God. Now, a story I found from Susan, as provided by the Sumerians, aka the Persians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 2 million years bc this is a story by the Sumerians 2 million. 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I'm not saying the Sumerians were around 2 million years ago, but the Sumerians are claiming the story happened 2 million years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A man from the Overworld. I don't know how informed you are on things, but a man from the Overworld named El ventures into the Shadow Realm. Sizen did not like this at first, but spared the man. Upon multiple visits, El and Sizen befriended one another. Szin tells El of the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: A Shadow Realm forest inhabited by many powerful Shadow Realm creatures. A place most Djinn avoid. And those who don't, rarely return with.

Cristina: Magical fruits in them.

Jack: Curious of this place. L visits the forest alongside citizen. Now, things you should know that make this very, very, very interesting. As we know, Jesus is a Persian, particularly from the Persian Gulf oasis, AKA a sea person. He claims to be the son of Jehovah. Proven wrong. But Jehovah is also a sea person. Yes, a sea person, particularly high in caliber. Probably the leader of the sea people. Seems to be that in all of these instances, the most educated, most informed individual, kind of like ancient cultures used to work, is the leader. And based on all information we have, Jehovah is the top of the food chain, including of the. When it Comes to the garden and the fruits and just everything. Just everything. Adam and Eve. All of the above, yes. If we look at Jewish text, the order is starting all the way Christianity and moving our way back. Jesus, Jehovah, Yahweh, Chaim. Then El, oftentimes considered Elfrim is. They're both one. If you go far back enough. The gist of gods in Abrahamic religions is a man named El.

Cristina: What time? I do remember that name.

Jack: And the Sumerians claim a man named El befriended a God named Susan in the Shadow Realm two million years ago.

Cristina: The most ancient sea people. I mean, we know they were so far back, like, so impossibly far back.

Jack: 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: 2.5 million. Okay, this makes sense.

Jack: This is fitting perfectly into the timeline.

Cristina: Oh, was Alhaim the two names like the wife and husband or something?

Jack: So there's a million variants of this. Alheim is two brothers, Elheim is one individual. Alheim is husband, wife.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. But so far, yeah, we at least.

Jack: Known when it's broken up into two individuals, El comes first, time comes second. Oftentimes it's considered one.

Cristina: Alheim is El by himself ever in these stories?

Jack: Yes. You'll see L by himself. You'll never see Heim alone.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Chaim is always part of L. L is not always part of him. Okay, so El, Chaim or El, but never just Chaim.

Cristina: Okay, so we don't know if Chaim is real or not.

Jack: No, it's possibly that based on the elusiveness of this, one of two things is going on. Chaim is literally just another name for L or part of his name. And his nickname is L. Or Heim is the actual first shadow individual to encounter, and that's why he's more elusive than El is. So whatever. Jehovah of Dark, if we follow that train all the way up, we land at Heim, presumably. Okay, but there's no way to prove that. That's just a theory. As to the elusiveness of the second part of the name, it's more likely that it's just Elkhrame.

Cristina: It'll be interesting if that. That part of the name pops up somewhere. But. Okay, yeah. Whoa.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Whoa. In fact, that was a really interesting thing to come across.

Cristina: The story they have.

Jack: That's a story they have.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense. Or it does make sense. It's crazy.

Jack: Well, what's interesting is that means 2 million years ago. So if we follow the timeline 2.5 million years ago, we have these people making tools Primitive tools. Which means 5 million years go by. I mean, 500,000 years go by. That's enough time. That's more time than when we began to. Now, we've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years than we would. We've only been around 100,000 years. They would have 400,000 more years Than we would. From the point that they made their first tools to the moment the L meets sizzle. That's how long ago this would have been the first. This is, as of now, the first encounter between an Overworlder and a Shadow Realm individual.

Cristina: Wait, in this story, though, he takes him to the garden. Is that the end of that story?

Jack: No, garden. To a forest.

Cristina: To the forest. Okay. That was the end of that story, though.

Jack: Like the Forest of Shadows?

Cristina: Yes. No fruits involved? No. He ate something in that trip.

Jack: As far as we know now.

Cristina: Okay. I feel like that's where that would lead.

Jack: Okay, well, let's then investigate the Forest of Shadows.

Cristina: Oh, you have information on the forest. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Okay, so part of the forest through which she mesh would shortcut to work and where the tree Inanna grabbed a fruit from was located. So the same forest that El visited. As we know, a hundred. I mean, a thousand B.C. an overworld man appears as recorded by Belit Sari, the one that Susan put alongside Nettie to record anybody who came through. This is known because we have Shemesh, who is the judge for the Djinn as well. So we have, interestingly, a man working in both realms who can report on anything that has to do with the people he's working with. Okay, so, thousand BC an overworld man appears as recorded by Bellat City and claims to. And claims to have a note discussing the location and the contents of the forest. He asks permission of passage and it is granted. Actually, no, I said a thousand. This is 10,000 BC.

Cristina: 10,000.

Jack: 10,000 BC. So this is 10,000 years before Christ.

Cristina: He has a letter.

Jack: Note. He has a note. He's. He made a note?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Somebody gave him or something or he found it or whatever that says where the forest is and what is in the Forest of Shadows. Man is unnamed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just some guy.

Cristina: But they just let him through.

Jack: Yeah, he's like, look, I got. So he had some form of clearance, some awareness. Somebody was like, oh, yeah, green light, this guy.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is weird already.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: You got a Gatekeeper and you got a person recording everything so you can know what the h*** is happening. And this dude, you've never seen 10,000 years before. Christ rolls up and he's like, look, I got a note. And it says that there's a forest here. These things in the forest.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: And then he's just granted passage.

Cristina: That is so weird.

Jack: Very weird. The man is reported to have picked one of every fruit he saw before leaving the forest.

Cristina: They were just cool with that. Whoa. He's a sea person. I don't know.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah.

Cristina: Still a sea person, but still a sea person.

Jack: I think that was Jehovah. I think Jehovah rolled up. He had. He what note? How? Who? Where'd you get it? Where the h*** did this come from? You were just looking through your, like, great grandfather's whatever the h***, and you found the thing and you're like, oh, f***.

Cristina: Oh. Gave him that now. Which I guess would be his great.

Jack: Grandfather or whatever either gave it to him, or he found it looking through old something something. Somehow he stumbled upon this. And he knew exactly where to go and exactly what to look for. Weird. So, story of the Tree of Knowledge. There is a story inscribed on an ancient Iranian temple. It suggests that El investigated a tree within the Forest of Shadows. He concluded that the trees within the forest were twisted and contorted, dry and odd, although alive and fruitful, because they were the roots to trees located somewhere in the Overworld.

Cristina: So it's like the Upside Down. He's telling us. Oh, my gosh. No. What? The Shadow Realm was the Upside down world.

Jack: What we already knew. It was a weird, warped version, but that's even weirder.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: He hypothesized that the fruits of these trees would allow creatures of the Shadow Realm passage into Earthrealm, and that fruits from the branches in the earthrealm would allow earthrealm creatures passage into the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: That would explain the judge. He probably had one of those fruits to find the path.

Jack: He had an overworld fruit he had no idea of and found easy passage into the Shadow realm. Then his sister must have eaten the same thing too, to just be able to casually go.

Cristina: He would know about that. Oh, man. Oh, this is out, right? Telling the story. He man. So then, yeah, he had to have told the sea people about the forest, and that's why that guy went into there to get all those fruits.

Jack: If he's even around. Again, he had a note. Nothing says anybody told him. He just.

Cristina: No, but he probably wrote that note.

Jack: Or Jehovah gathered information, and that's too random how? If your great grandfather already collected the information.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So he wrote it, give you the information? No, he didn't have to.

Cristina: But he did write it down.

Jack: He didn't have to write it down either. He could have just told stories throughout time. And this guy just. Or maybe he was a researcher himself again, he wanted to go investigate with Susan, his friends, like, oh, let's go look. I'm curious. Although it never said that l was a scientist or anything, it was just a guy that led to the creation of this symbol that shows up in.

Cristina: Many cultures, which is a fruit of knowledge, Shadow realm.

Jack: No, it's not a fruit of knowledge. It's a tree that exists in both the Overworld and underworld, where the roots are in the underworld and the branches are in the Overworld.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: That's everywhere that exists throughout cultures.

Cristina: Throughout cultures.

Jack: Many cultures have the same imagery in many different ways.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Usually depicting some sort of infinity symbol equivalent where there are two equal sides standing up, a bubble on top, a bubble on the bottom, branches on top, branches at the bottom, hourglass shape or something with a line down the middle depicting equality on both ends. Even the yin yang symbol is sort of discussing the concepts that within the dark there is part of the light, and within the light there is part of the dark.

Cristina: See? See? Ooh, that's pretty cool. So that's just a representation, though, of the shadow realm and how connected we are to them.

Jack: Yes. This is how tight they get. Now, notice there is no mention of Elfame in this image.

Cristina: No, because we don't know anything about it.

Jack: No, we don't know. Crap.

Cristina: Even if it was connected this way, we wouldn't know how.

Jack: And it would be in some other way we're not understanding. It could be right in front of us and we're not getting it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This could be. This image could be already informed and we still don't understand how because we don't have the perspective to notice.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How this image is discussing the Elfham.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: We have no point of reference.

Cristina: It's true. What? It could be right there in our face and we have no idea.

Jack: If we think the shadow people are elusive and all we're getting is shreds from people who've either been there or left there. How much more elusive is Elfame? And that being said, Susan, the highest being within the Shadow Realm. Mab, the highest being within Elfhame. Jehovah isn't the highest being in the Overworld. He's not. He's just another guy.

Cristina: Yeah, because there's no highest being there.

Jack: Might be. And it's not L either, because L is just some other guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, as far as we know, Susan gave L the respect he deserved. That's weird. He didn't have to do that. But he also did that with random humans.

Cristina: You think there's someone that rules this earth sign that's equal to come back.

Jack: To the name that we have no information on. Heim. What the h*** is Heym if it's not part of L? Why can we come across L, but we don't come across Heim by itself. We come across Alchem. Interesting. I think there might be something there. Bare minimum. Okay, and if we have a serpent provided to Jehovah, how far back are there serpents? Susan didn't have a serpent. But he had. He was the big, big bad leader. But it doesn't seem he was advancing society. In fact, when he came to the Overworld, he was underneath Izama. He was just another guy on the team. Even if he's godly in scale, by comparison, he was just a follower.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I don't know what's happening. I don't know the scale of anything. None of it makes sense unless you actually know. None of us know.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. So shreds, little bits and pieces. I'm coming across. We know now where Ixshell came from. And weirdly enough, there are stories in Persia, the Sumerians, discussing this Mayan shadow creature. We have Szm being discussed in Persia by the Sumerians, this Trin, Mayan shadow creature. Oh, we have Inanna.

Cristina: Inanna being discussed.

Jack: Sumerian individual, a Persian meeting Ixchel, the Mayan. We already had mention of Ra and Atum communicating with Itzamna. And we know that based on both their testimonies that they have come across the Sea People. And they both claim to have been provided architecture and scientific advancements by the Sea People. And then we look at their structures and we look at their data, and there we look at their stories and we look at their records and their knowledge and their science. And it's the same. Mm divided by oceans. Where anyone else could not have come across each other. These two groups of people seem to be so interconnected, and they both claim the same f****** mountain, Kaath, that's tied even more than Athos.

Cristina: There's nothing we can learn about Kaath. Nothing more.

Jack: Nothing more. Kaath just doesn't even exist as far as we know.

Cristina: Is there any stories about mountains that just reappear and disappear or something. Anywhere interesting.

Jack: Anything. All we're doing is find cough. This is going to aim at Kaf.

Cristina: Yeah, but that would still be really interesting if other places see it.

Jack: Interesting. I see where you're coming from. Well, we know that the Indians knew of it and it was part of their tradition to make a trek there. And as far as H***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Indians would go all the way from India all the way to Kaf.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: But they have no mention of sea people.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So you moved a mountain, but there's no proof they entered.

Cristina: I want to know more about that six headed snake creature or whatever.

Jack: Seven.

Cristina: Seven. Yeah.

Jack: That's an interesting point though. Although there's zero mention of the sea people. The Indians have the seven dots and the seven headed creature snake thing. And that is quite interesting because what is it that they are in fact connected with? If India has these seven headed things and India has the seven dots, what does that mean? What does it mean if they never once, as far as I know, mentioned the sea people? This has nothing to do with the sea people then.

Cristina: No.

Jack: At least we can remove that. The fact that one of them is snakes is interesting. Maybe these dots are representative of Oros or.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Mab or something in Elfame.

Cristina: Even in Russia.

Jack: That's interesting too. All of the. When it comes to the dots, they are all over the hands of people. Like they're holding it up like it's something glorious, something powerful, something marvelous, something above them, something godly. Yeah, but when it's structural, it's demonic and contorted and twisted and evil looking. So as a being, the seven represents something dark. But as the dots, it's God. It's above there. So there must be some godlike thing.

Cristina: His demon and God, they use it interchangeably anyway. Yes, things. Most ancient people, it's like it's good and it's bad and it's evil, but it's great. Like it's not really any. It's whatever it wants to be and we're just labeling it whatever.

Jack: So interesting point here though. Other than the fact that for the. For the Mayans it was a snake. Other than that weird detail. What stops. So in Mesopotamia, India and Egypt, they all consider this some godlike thing. But we know that none of their major leaders were represented like this. What if. And again, the Indians never once mentioned the sea people. What if this is an actual representation of what we were just discussing and it somehow. The God of the overworld of Earthrealm. What if this is the. What if this is what we should be focusing on to find whatever the h*** that is. Sizend is the highest being, the highest power godly by the claims of the Djinn themselves.

Cristina: How do we know that's not Susan?

Jack: Interesting. You think Susan might be just in Oros, not an Oros. The snake part is what throws me off here.

Cristina: Yes, it does. I don't know. That's true.

Jack: But also the Jin do. But they don't just say. If it was just a Naga, then it would have been obvious to the Djinn. Because there are other Naga.

Cristina: But he's so different.

Jack: He's so different. He couldn't be.

Cristina: He can't be.

Jack: It must be something else. There is something else happening here.

Cristina: Gotta do more research.

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: It could totally be him. But probably not. Probably not.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I know. Seven is really important. It's the most important. Seven is the most important. That's what we're looking at. It's the most important. Height of importance is seven.

Cristina: Yes. Seven heads.

Jack: Seven heads or seven dots. So when there's seven dots, doesn't matter how far apart we are. One is in the middle, three on top, three on the bottom. Alternatively, this could be a visualization of the connection to the shadow realm. The top, the thin center, the bottom.

Cristina: And so it has nothing. It doesn't represent that creature. But that creature has to be coming from the shadow worm. I don't know.

Jack: In the case of the creature. In the case of this creature, the Mayan version and the Indian version don't have a center point, while the Russian version does. There's a center point and then three to either side. That doesn't seem to be the case with the Indian visualization of a seven headed thing. And that doesn't seem to be the case with the Mayan representation of a seven headed snake. Being. This is more like Medusa or something. Which is weird because again, that's a Greek Naga. How the h*** are the Mayans so connected to everything they also know about that?

Cristina: I don't know. But what if this is Medusa? Like, well, how would we know it's not?

Jack: How would we know it's not? Well, over here it looks like apes. Seven headed ape creature.

Cristina: It's too hard for me to really see, I guess. I don't know. You see apes in that.

Jack: But then when we look at the dog.

Cristina: No idea. I don't know.

Jack: It's complicated. This is. This is worth picking apart.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because there's something here. Although when we look at Russia, it looks like they are showing us a visual of the shadow realm. Any creature in the shadow realm.

Cristina: I wanna know their story.

Jack: Yeah, we've never come across the Russians. The first mention of Russia is in this image.

Cristina: I'm sure Russia has a lot of horror stories. We gotta look that up.

Jack: Yep, that's what I got. This is me trying to zero in.

Cristina: We are definitely zeroing in on something. I just don't know what it did.

Jack: We're always closer than we were, but we are always left with a crap ton more questions than we began with.

Cristina: Yes, I have no idea what's going on.

Jack: That's where we are. That's where we are.

Cristina: But it's connected somehow.

Jack: Everything seems connected somehow. Everything seems connected somehow. And we have the Persians discussing this dude named El showing up.

Cristina: And that is amazing.

Jack: That's beautiful. That tells us a lot.

Cristina: Who knows where else he shows up?

Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's crazy. He is definitely a sea people. Sea people. Sea person.

Cristina: Ancient sea person.

Jack: Nation. Sea person. The great, great, great something of Jehovah.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so cool.

Jack: Okay, anyways, that's what we got. That's what I got. That's as far as we've gotten thus far. And hopefully we can come up with some other details and find some other things. But as of now, maybe next week we'll come out and put something else. But the similarities are striking and the stories are tying up more, more and more. And now, with the help of L and his conclusions, we have a tighter connection between the Shadow Realm and the Overworld Earth Realm. They're one. So now. Which is why it's easier to get from one to the other than it is to even conceive of what the h*** Elfame is.

Cristina: Yep. Which has to somehow be connected somehow.

Jack: It has to be tied in. It has to be. Everything is tied in somehow. Elfame is tied in. It has to be. You're totally right. It has to be. There's no exception to this. We just don't know how. And once we see it, we won't be able to unsee it. But until we see it, we have no idea what the we're looking at.

Cristina: Yep. But it's there.

Jack: It's there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any input, please message us. Hit us up on our socials at just convopod on Tick Tock, Facebook X or Instagram.

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Jack: Yes. And word of mouth. Be sure to tell people who might have some input, insight or any kind of anything to add. If you know anything about the seven headed creatures or the seven points that in hieroglyphs and sculptures are above the most powerful beings civilizations, please tell us.

Cristina: What we don't know. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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August 26, 2023

Rambling 240: The Earth Gods

August 26, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What are the true goals of these global research teams? How did the Maya interact with the Egyptians? And how many of these groups exist? Continuing the trail of Elfame scientist Oros, the duo deep dive into the Maya people and discover details previously unknown to them. As they inch closer to the truth more questions arise leaving confusing breadcrumbs to follow. But with one new important piece of information, a door to a baffling new series of paths to follow opens.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Spirit Gods
Itzamna
City Chichén Itzá
Ix Chel
Advanced Agricultural Development
Cizin
God of Death
Ruler of the Shadow Realm
El Castillo (The Castle)
Alignment
Portal to Qaf and The Shadow Realm
Creating Life
Data Storage Research
The Paris Codex
Energy Storage Research
Dresden Codex
Portal Research
Madrid Codex
The Sea People
Jacawitz
Secret Shadow Realm Research Team

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd, baffling ideas. And as of in Fate Infinity. It seems now we've been following this weird, unraveling narrative about the sea people, the Shadow Realm. Now Elfame is included, Adrenochrome, and a series of other events that seem to all coincide and exist together, including Jesus.

Cristina: Christ, Jesus, aliens, etc.

Jack: Etc. Etc. So when we discovered Elfhame, which is essentially the magic realm, one of the three realms, all the other realms really collapse into the three realms, which are the Shadow Realm, Earthrealm, and Elfame. Although it seems like in Greek mythology there's nine, In Norse mythology, there's nine. In Christian mythology, there's three. Three. But it doesn't seem the same three. The three kind of exist. They're spoken of the way that all of they only address three that seem to all be part of the Earth Realm, and then the Shadow realm briefly as Limbo. So kind of almost everywhere they leave out Alfame, which is the actual third realm. They discuss a number of other things as though their realms, but they're not. Anyways, in Elfame, it seems that the God of gods is made, as we have established the God named Mab, which is again, we use gods as a terminology that simply shows up in texts and documents. But at this point we've established that seemingly everything is advanced civilizations of the past and a crap ton of science. Yes, science that looks different depending where they do it. And it looks magical because of the leaps and bounds from everyone around them.

Cristina: It's actually magic.

Jack: It doesn't mean it's actually.

Cristina: We just don't get it.

Jack: Exactly, exactly. The best way to describe it is sciences from different physics. Yes, it's the best way to put it. So one of the things that we came across was the quote, God Oros, created by a bigger God, AKA scientist. So a science. I'm assuming Oros is some sort of homunculus or artificial life form, a lot like an Android or something along those things. But it could have been the first successful. Whatever everybody else is trying to do.

Cristina: Yes, the goal, whatever that goal is. Okay.

Jack: And Oros makes what is what we refer to as Sanaga, which is a serpent race, sort of artificial serpent race. And last week we traced Oros to see where it would take us if we tried to like cross reference Oros, his creations, and what we already know is involved in this bigger narrative. Right, because we know Elfin created Oros and told Oros to send his creations, one each, to the most technologically advanced civilizations across the realms.

Cristina: Shirsi is not related to us. Like, she didn't make us and leave us to go over there or anything like that.

Jack: There's no way to know. We don't know anything about Mab.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Other than she.

Cristina: She has made those things that are in that other.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We don't know anything other than that. And that she made the three goddesses that are probably the creators of life across the other two realms.

Cristina: Okay. They're responsible.

Jack: I think they're the gods, quote unquote, that have made the life that exists in the other two realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And probably that just. I think we should stop saying gods and establish that they are scientists. These are a bunch of scientists and magnitudes that we don't understand. The easiest way to understand it would be to go back to an episode called the Kardashev scale, which explains giant magnitudes of power that exists simply scientifically, starting at us. We're not even magnitude 1. Magnitude 1 uses the entire power of a planet. Magnitude 2 uses the entire power of a star. Magnitude 3 uses the entire power of several stars. Magnitude 4 uses galaxies, magnitude 5, several galaxies, so on and so forth, until you have the power to control entire universes, multiverses, so on and so forth.

Cristina: Ridiculous. So we don't know where she is.

Jack: She must be bare minimum, beyond the point of a universe. It must be that level of advance. And this is assuming. This would lead us to assume that she is just one of many and that, like, that's the only reference we can understand of her. But there's. There has to be stuff over her. She might just be one scientist, okay? But the level of power we're discussing is incomprehensible to us.

Cristina: But all we know is she is the top, from what we've gathered.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. She's the top of. At least from our perspective. We don't know. And it's probably not. She's probably not.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Everything is fractal. Everything is the same all the way up, everything is the same all the way down. And so if we follow her, this should play out that way. Anyways, last week we were talking and we found, cross referencing Oros, we could successfully track the Egyptians and the entire lineage. We found the serpent that was sent there, the Naga that was sent there by Oros, which Was Wadjet one of them.

Cristina: And we found that Shadow people working with them.

Jack: We saw the Shadow people were working with them. That the Shadow people also had a Naga. That was their complicated name. I don't remember it and. Or kind of remember it. I saw it was. I'm not gonna try to pronounce. But anyways, Ra, the leader of the group, and Adam, another leader of a group they have. They create a team of researchers that are presumably all the way in the Great Void right now. The Great Void in space.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because they made teleportation technology and the ability to control immense energy and store immense energy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So there was another group of people that seem to be very, very, very, very, very involved with the Sea People as well, and had identical records stored with them. Now, we didn't know what the point of these or how. How primarily. And we. The point of going through Oros and his children is to find all the connecting links. All the most powerful civilizations, of which there are a bunch. But a lot of them are insignificant in power by comparison, even if they're highly advanced compared to normal people.

Cristina: And we weren't sure whether they were enemies or friends or what was going on. And it seems like who the Naga, whether it was the fairy people or the Shadow people or humans like their relationships to each other. But with the Egyptians, it looked like.

Jack: Everyone was working together, at least in that case. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At least in that scenario. We had a good example of the research team called the Shad, the Sun Gods, working together. And this was a coalition of creatures from Elf fame in the form of the Naga, creatures from the Shadow Realm and creatures from Earth Realm and the Sea People, which are from EarthRealm. But we got to discuss them separately.

Cristina: Yes, because they seem human or they are, but they're not.

Jack: Doesn't matter if they're human or not. Yes, because not everything we're discussing is even necessarily human. We have no idea if any of the creatures from earthrealm are necessarily human. We just know they're from earthrealm and way advanced. It could be a different lineage of some intelligent life form. But the Sea People have to be discussed separately because of the leap of technology from the next best thing. They're so far out there. But last week's episode was the Sun Gods, and it was establishing that. That, yes, there is a team of people across all three realms kind of working together for some unknown purpose. And it seems like we're closing in on something like they're trying to get to. We already know that Jesus was most likely made to try to get into Alfame. We know that Joseph was made probably to try to get there. And with the information we got last.

Cristina: Week, someone betrayed the group.

Jack: Yes, but it seems that they were also trying to build enough energy. Yes, and a teleportation device. And they have all the things needed to make Jesus in the first place. And all of this seemed to be aiming in that direction. So as far as we know, getting into Alfame seems to be the primary goal of everybody.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So allow us to introduce today's episode, the Earth Gods.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Now, following Oros, there was a second group of people who were as connected as the Egyptians. That would be the Maya.

Cristina: The Maya.

Jack: But the Maya are all the way in Guatemala, the border of Mexico, way over there. How are they even connected?

Cristina: How?

Jack: So we follow Oros and we cross reference Oros and the Maya. Let us begin. Oros had one child that he named Kukulkan. And Kokulkan is a Naga. Like we have seen a pattern of a feathered serpent. This has been showing everywhere.

Cristina: Yes. Now, wait, but this is his only son. What are the other things?

Jack: I didn't say that's his only son. He said he had a son.

Cristina: Oh, for some reason, I thought you said only like what?

Jack: Okay, this is one of his children.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So, yeah, named Kukulkan. And Kukulkan is a serpent like the rest of them. A feathered serpent like the rest of them. We call them children. They're probably just his experiments. For all we know, using his DNA or whatever it is he has. Anyways, so he goes to the Maya, this advanced developing civilization, and he goes to side with. Now it's we before we knew they went to help civilizations. As we dug deeper, we found out that they seem to almost be assigned to individuals.

Cristina: Yeah, right.

Jack: They seem to assign to individuals. And not even assigned. They just go to whoever's the leader of whatever most advanced civilization.

Cristina: Dude, I was like, I'm gonna be the leader.

Jack: Yeah, he told the abandoned post. But Kakul Ken goes and joins the Mayan leader, called it Zamna and Itzamna again. Mayan leader is very similar in a lot of ways. Tara, the scientist of some scientist astronomer. He developed the Mayan written language and the Mayan calendar.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: And he established herbal medicine for the Mayan people and the city of Chichen Itza. Okay, so this is a very important man. Very scientifically inclined, very powerful, very resourceful, very useful. Of course, Kukulkan would go to his side to assist him in developing this civilization with the beginning of the city Chichen Itza. So this is one of the largest cities, if not the largest city, depending where you're looking from or what sources you're looking at, is the largest city in the Mayan Empire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Itzamna, again, the most interesting two details here are that he created the written language and the calendar, but is simultaneously an astronomer and a scientist. The this goes perfect the astronomy and science with the creation of a calendar. He's watching the stars and understanding how that breaks apart. Where it gets weird is the fact that he was also a capable of understanding medicine to such a degree. They created herbal medicine for the Mayans, and he created written language. This will later be very useful. Now this immediately becomes a very, very, very familiar scene.

Cristina: How so?

Jack: It's important to know that the Mayan people call many of their highest leaders spirit gods. They weren't just gods, as we know. All the scientists often are the ones labeled like the most powerful civilizations with the most powerful individuals are often called gods because there's a huge gap of division between them and the people that they keep out of their work. And at this point, I think words of the past God just meant scientists at this point, perhaps through time, the word God became scientists, which applies with how we look at things. Yeah, because science tries to tell us how the universe began the same way God tries to tell us how the universe began. There's a lot of similarities here. So I'm thinking as we see this over and over and over, it seems more and more likely that the word God in every instance translates to scientist. But something that kept showing up in these mythological researches and writings was spirit gods. Just gods that you would assume is already some sort of spiritual being. No, they made it very important to say spirit God in particular. And let me establish that Itzamna, the most important of them, was not a spirit God. He was just a God.

Cristina: I felt the spirit God underneath him or above him.

Jack: No, he's the highest, most important person.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's one of several. He's just the most important one. And they're not necessarily all called spirit gods. Only some of them are. I found this very interesting and very confusing. I had no reference point as to what they meant with the word spirit specifically until I dug a little deeper. Now let us bring into the picture. It's Amna's wife. Her name is Ixchel. Okay. This is immediately gonna answer so much. Ixchal is again the wife of Izamna, called by the people A spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Which remained on earth for a spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: What a horrible description. What?

Jack: No, it's not. It's a description we've heard a million times.

Cristina: Is it Jesus. I don't know. What? What is this description?

Jack: There is no way in h*** you're not connecting this most obvious of all dots.

Cristina: A spirit that.

Jack: A spirit that manifested through suffering.

Cristina: I don't know. Wow.

Jack: I might just wait until you connect the dots. I don't even understand how this is not clicking.

Cristina: What do you mean? How is it so obvious? A spirit? I don't know. She a banshee? I don't know.

Jack: What is a banshee?

Cristina: A fairy. A fairy. Right. Okay, so she's a fairy.

Jack: A banshee isn't a fairy.

Cristina: How are you?

Jack: How can you think fairy and still not even think of the Shadow Realm? And how everything over there shows up because of suffering? What?

Cristina: I thought Banshee was a fairy. And I thought fairies did come from the Shadow Realm, but they don't.

Jack: They come from Elfame.

Cristina: Okay, yes. No, I thought, like, from some of them came from the Shadow Realm. Not all of them.

Jack: I know there's no fairy comes from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: But the banshee I thought was also a fairy. Yes.

Jack: This is before we had a bunch of information that elaborated on differences between creatures.

Cristina: Okay, but they're not fairies whatsoever.

Jack: I mean, a banshee might be a fairy. I don't know. But the point is, the Ix shell came with suffering.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes. Okay. Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: Like everything in the Shadow Realm that has ever shown up on this side without there being a gate, it happened because of suffering. Sacrifices, fear. Which is suffering.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How the h*** was that not just obvious as h***? We've been talking about this for like three years straight.

Cristina: She's a human. She's not.

Jack: I never said that specifically. Said a spirit manifested from suffering.

Cristina: But the guy is human.

Jack: I don't know. I also began by saying that we don't know that any of these scientists are necessarily human. Oh, just because Earth Realm does not mean human.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That is. I don't know what your inclination to connect humans.

Cristina: Because I thought he was a Mayan.

Jack: That doesn't mean he's human. The Mayan people who were left behind were human. But what are these? Why are there people way more advanced? There are Egyptians who are human now. But what the h*** happened to the great powerful Egyptians that were there first? Were they human who abandoned humanity? Or were there something else? We don't know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are. We have no idea what these things are. They could have been human, but we do not know. We don't know. I have no idea how the h*** you weren't connect. I'm sure every listener who has followed up to now was screaming it. Because it's obviously a creature from the Shadow Realm. Obviously. There's nothing else. This could have been a spirit manifested from suffering. Nothing else. It could have been. We have not.

Cristina: She sounds like one of those ladies that were ghosts. I don't know which came from where, I don't remember.

Jack: 100 it was the shadow realm now.

Cristina: But I. I confused them with elves. I don't know.

Jack: Elves are. They could just move through their actual fairies just move through effortlessly. The fact that she needed a catalyst should have been the answer. Anyways. That sad, sad lapse of dot connecting aside, Ixchel has an unnamed serpent coiled on as a hair, as a headdress.

Cristina: Interesting. She has a snake too.

Jack: Yeah, it's unnamed and only speaks to Ixcho.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No one has ever heard it speak, but they see her speaking to it and it responding, but they don't hear it. It's like whispering to her. And she's talking back to it. Yeah, they just know it communicates only with her. Unknown why, but she had her own.

Cristina: So it might be one of those Magas, whatever they call Maguas Naga.

Jack: It's definitely a Naga.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But now we have a very similar situation to the Sun Gods where Adam had his own serpent and so did Ra, and they were both part of the same group. So the Sun Gods had two. And here we are with the Earth Gods and they have two.

Cristina: Yes, and one of them in the other place was a Shadow realm. First scientist like this place, Adam. Yeah. So it's. It's mirroring in that way too.

Jack: Yes. The Ixchel comes and. Well, actually a few of them in the research team of the Sun Gods came from the Shadow Realm. I believe it was three. It was Adam and two more, I think.

Cristina: So it could be something like that in this party as well.

Jack: Could 100% be. Yeah. So things about Ixchel that matter. Not only is she the wife of Itzamna, which means he married a creature from the Shadow Realm. Which puts us even closer than just.

Cristina: It was hard to understand that she was a creature because like, you don't hear stories of people marrying shadow realm.

Jack: No, this is the first point exactly.

Cristina: That doesn't sound right.

Jack: But everything else about it should have. Had I started the other way around, he would have been like, okay, it's a creature from the shadow.

Cristina: Yeah. So saying he was married to her or she was his wife, like that seems like a normal person that's described as a ghost or something.

Jack: Doesn't say they had children of any sort though. Which because they probably couldn't mate.

Cristina: Yes, makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Now very interesting detail here. It doesn't seem that they're equals even if she is his wife, because something that showed up repeatedly is that she was the assistant of Izamna, almost equal to Kukulkin.

Cristina: Which one's Kukulkin?

Jack: His serpent. His mother.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Now what were her duties? That becomes very interesting. Settling. She was a biologist, she was a botanist. And she single handedly advanced and developed the agricultural development of the Maya.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So between the two of them, they successfully turned the Maya empire into the colossal, monstrously large empire, most likely the largest civilization before modern day that existed. Yeah, and that's keeping in mind that the Sea people civilization wasn't even large as compared to a lot of these civilizations. It might have actually been the smallest.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: Because of how small and focused all of their work was. The Maya was colossal. Egyptians. That was huge. I mean nowhere near the size of the Maya. That s***'s big as f***. But it was still big as f***. While at least while in the Persian Gulf oasis. That was small. The Palos Rakaras is small. Like it's not like literally the size of a city. Maybe smaller. Oh, less than New York. Manhattan, not state Manhattan, smaller.

Cristina: How big of the Mayan location?

Jack: All of Guatemala, some of Mexico.

Cristina: Oh, okay, yeah.

Jack: Size of countries. Okay, well casual. Casual like size difference is colossal. It's like why the. I guess the focus of the sea people is exaggerated. But also they were very private. But not at the beginning. They shared stuff, but they're. Except their home.

Cristina: Except their home.

Jack: Important detail. They shared everything except their home. To the point the rest of the Persians felt alienated from them. Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So even while they were sharing, they were so private. So yeah, they developed this huge, colossal, monstrous sized civilization. Now enter the last member of the Earth gods sizen.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As referred to by the people of Maya, a spirit allured by death.

Cristina: Another shadow realm creature.

Jack: The shadow realm creature, referred to specifically as the God of death. Now interesting things about this guy according to the Maya seemed capable of suddenly appearing where tragedies and death occurred.

Cristina: Did they say what he was doing around the area? He just happens to be there.

Jack: Whatever, hanging out, whatever shadow people do. None of that matters because the next next Bullet point makes him maybe the most important thing we've heard of so far. Which makes him more important than Autumn, who created an entire successful civilization in the Shadow Realm. More important than Jehovah of the Dark, which seems to be the big issue.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: More important than the creatures we've seen come from over there that aren't evil, sadistic monsters. Specifically, how they refer to it is that he was the ruler of the underworld.

Cristina: That's different.

Jack: This individual might be the most powerful individual to have come from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: The top of the food chain hanging out there.

Jack: Interesting, though.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, descriptions of him. There's not a lot of descriptions of the others. There's a lot of descriptions. They were very. He left an impression. He dresses with the decomposed bodies of those he ate to become leader in the underworld.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Is sustained. Oh, man. This is the most important part, I suppose, because he doesn't seem to just be able to stay over here. Somehow Ixchell and Autumn and these creatures manage to stay over here. This guy seems. Maybe he is literally part of the Shadow Realm because of this. Next line. Is sustained in the overworld Earth Realm with regular ritual human sacrifices.

Cristina: Sounds right. Okay. That sounds really dangerous to have around you. I don't get it.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: This confuses me.

Jack: He's not killing them. People are offering sacrifices to him.

Cristina: This is so Shadow Realm adrenochrome.

Jack: This is way in there.

Cristina: This seems like the opposite of what the sea people would be interested in.

Jack: They're not working with them. As far as we have discussed.

Cristina: Like from what we knew in the past, from other things. We thought the Mayans were getting their signs and stuff from the sea people, like the Egyptians. Well, but now maybe not. I don't know.

Jack: Again, he's not sacrificing anybody himself. If he was out there murdering, I'm sure that would be against it. But if the idea is that this guy is very useful for us and the people have agreed we rather have them than not. Nobody's forcing anybody. Again, it's sacrifices he is not murdering. They are offering.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Specifically, ritual human sacrifice. The humans are offering it to him. And they do it discreetly at his command, which then changes what we think of them because. Yeah. Human sacrifice. Oh, how horrible. But he doesn't want it visible. So it's not fear, it's the blood that's keeping him around.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He has him toss the sacrifices into a well called Cenote, and then he goes in the well and he does his thing. Okay, he doesn't seem to be a Djinn. Ixchell seems to be a Djinn. Autumn seems to be a Djinn. This guy is a creature that isn't a Djinn because he does need the blood.

Cristina: He still sounds like some type of Shadow Realm creature.

Jack: No, he's a Shadow Realm creature for sure, but not a Djinn. He's some other thing. Now we have our team. We have our team of the Earth gods. Sizen ishell. It's Zamna and the two serpents. The unnamed serpent and Kakulkan. What were they doing?

Cristina: What were they doing?

Jack: Let us begin with El Castillo translates to the castle. The castle is a temple, Itzamna, built to the specifications of Ixchel and Kakulkan, that's his serpent and his wife working together. And they came up with this formula, this structure, this something. And basically, during the spring and autumn equinox, an alignment of the sun, the earth, the castle, and the castle stairs and the moon all happen.

Cristina: That's pretty cool.

Jack: Interesting happens to this day. And most interesting about it is when this happens, a rift opens on the stairs. For one day, twice a year, a rift opens on the stairs and you no longer can enter the temple. You cross the rift when you go up the stairs.

Cristina: Where's the rift leading to? Is it the shadow realm? Is it some other thing?

Jack: The rift would open along the steps of El Castillo during the spring. The rift would lead to a land they named Kaf.

Cristina: Is it a mountain? Is it on top of a mountain? I'm so curious.

Jack: It doesn't say, but we know it is.

Cristina: It takes them to the mountain, and the mountain has a transporter.

Jack: But that doesn't mean none of this is the point. It is literally the mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which means they have a way to get directly in front of the Egyptians and directly in front of the sea people. And they both have a way to get to the Mayans once a year.

Cristina: Yes, during the spring equinox.

Jack: During the autumn equinox, the rift would lead to the underworld.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense, I guess.

Jack: To the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes, but anyone could go in there. What?

Jack: El Castillo is where the sea people have stored a copy of the scientific data shared with the Maya. That is the same place that has all the same writings that we see in the Sphinx. Under the Sphinx, they share the data. That's the data that they claim on their walls that says, okay, we have a storage by the sea people. And it is all the information and scientific advancements they have provided for us under El Castillo. And under the Sphinx. Those are the two locations that have exactly the same data as said, exactly the same way. And two completely different civilizations that are.

Cristina: Complet separated by talking about the sea.

Jack: People, talking about the sea people and being given information by the sea people. They say that the sea people gave them data and that it's stored there. That is El Castillo. So when I found that, that's where I found it from the original time, although I never paid attention to the name because it was relevant. But now we know the name is El Castillo. Okay, so that's just an important bit of detail that answers a couple of things. How they get to each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How the Egyptians and the Maya have the same data. Now we know an access point, Mount Kaf, as important as Mount Athos. In fact, it's possible that Mount Athos is the current day Mount Kaf.

Cristina: Mount Kaf is the one that disappeared.

Jack: It's the one that disappeared.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Around the time that Mount Athos came to use Coenkabink.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now the Earth Gods research. The Mayan people dubbed these gods the Earth Gods because of their primary focus. I did not name them the Earth Gods. This was a coincidence that happens to line up with the Egyptians calling their scientists the Sun Gods.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Sun Gods were working on energy, immense amounts of energy. Like the sun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And teleportation to somewhere far above. Like the sun?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, so the Earth Gods got their name relative to their work as well. Can you guess what they were doing? Probably not. But what's your best shot?

Cristina: Besides like the medicine that you mentioned? I don't know.

Jack: Makes total sense, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And botany and biology. It all has to do with life so far.

Cristina: Yeah. Are they trying to live forever?

Jack: No, because there is also a pattern we should be following. Let us dive in. The primary focus of the Earth Gods, dubbed by the Mayan people. Their major goal was to create sentient life using the genetics of crops. It gets better when we dive deeper. According to Ixchel, the reason that it was important for her research to continue in earthrealm, or the Overworld as they call it, is because Earth had properties which allowed for imitation magic.

Cristina: Earth.

Jack: Earth. The sciences of Earth have a way of imitating magic.

Cristina: Okay, okay. That makes sense. Okay. What?

Jack: Something about biology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Biology doesn't exist in the shadow realm. Biology doesn't exist in Alphaen. Biology is specifically an earthrealm feature. There's the other sciences. But why the f*** are there so many sciences in earthrealm, one of which is biology.

Cristina: What is happening? Okay.

Jack: Creatures in the Shadow Realm aren't born. They manifest and then they persist. Creatures in Elfame don't seem to be born as far as we know. They're created.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they persist. But over here it's self producing.

Cristina: Which I think has to relate with the one thing we have that they don't have. These other places. The thing that the sea people have.

Jack: The fruits.

Cristina: The fruits. I think it started not with the fruits. Adam and Eve.

Jack: With Adam at least.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ability to create in a way that perpetuates itself.

Cristina: Yes, that's what's the important thing. Interesting, because we can't even prove the sea people can do that. Oh, wait. But.

Jack: Well, when we look at other civilizations, even if they're from Earth Realm, we look at like the Greek, we look at the. The Norse. They didn't have the ability to create life that can self perpetuate. They could create life that just. It sustains itself. It can stay there, but it won't make more life. Only the sea people seem to have what we call Adam and Eve. Which led to what we consider humans that seem to kind of move forward.

Cristina: Yes. And all the animals and etc.

Jack: Everything. Everything similar to magic. It could just make more stuff.

Cristina: Yeah, just more stuff happens.

Jack: Doesn't require catalysts, just more stuff happens. Interesting. Imitation magic combined with earthrealm sciences could result in advanced sentient life is the idea. They bring their sciences, they use earth sciences and they use this element. Whatever caused things to go from not alive to alive, whatever the that is. Yeah, I think that's the fixation. I think that's a fixation. Whatever the difference between a cell and a virus is if a virus is dead and a cell is alive, whatever the f*** is happening between those two points. That's the fixation. Before cells were cells. That's a fixation. What made cells living cells? That's fixation. Whatever the f*** is happening there. Fascinating. Alright.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: According to Sizen, the djinn in the Shadow Realm can feel the energy from the earthrealm sciences.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: The biology of earthrealm allowed natural passage between realms.

Cristina: What? What?

Jack: Think about it.

Cristina: We're attracting those things.

Jack: No, the biology of earthrealm allowed for natural passage through the realms. We know this because of adrenochrome. It alters your biology. And then you can somehow just go there when you die. And something that seems to be very biological fear allows them to come from over there. Over here.

Cristina: Okay, so it had to have started here to there. Yeah.

Jack: There's some Natural magic element that shouldn't exist in earthrealm. Yes, that does. Without anybody doing anything. Without anybody doing anything. You could just go scared the s*** out of somebody, drink their blood. Now you get passage into the shadow realm. And in the time that they're scared, Shadow realm creatures can just come into the. Something is just wrong here that shouldn't have happened. Something that shouldn't exist over here because the realms were different. It's the realm of physics, it's the realm of magic, and it's the realm of power. And somehow we also have a little bit of magic.

Cristina: Yes. I don't think we did, but. Okay.

Jack: Weird, right?

Cristina: Yes. But we're the unique.

Jack: Something about biology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It was magical.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it shouldn't be. But it might have something to do with the sea people.

Cristina: Yes, for sure.

Jack: Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Chances are, before they tampered, there wasn't. But also, how were their plans if that's biological? There's some part of this picture that isn't clicking because they were around 2.5 million years ago. But there's crap way before them that was all biological.

Jack: And that was all reproducing.

Cristina: But that didn't attract these things. I think it took one of them. So fear.

Jack: They didn't have fear. They didn't have adrenaline. They didn't have blood. No. All that was still there.

Cristina: I don't know. But the sea people.

Jack: No. Everything that was here before.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: All the things that were here for millions.

Cristina: Their fear maybe is not as strong as our fear.

Jack: I think there's some. Because that means it was. That this realm has always had magic infused. That means it didn't require the sea people. Anybody would have stumbled upon it. I think somehow somebody added something.

Cristina: Somebody added something.

Jack: Yes. So I don't think it necessarily has to do with the fear or it necessarily has to do with the adrenochrome. I think we figured something out with that, but. Or if it does, the sea people and Adam and Eve have nothing to do with it existing on this end. I guess that's what I'm trying to get to. They're just trying to replicate it or figure it out, understand why it exists on this end. And they're using Adam and Eve to do it. Which means throughout all of history, through all of time, through all the existence of all that has ever been in Earth Realm, there has been that little dose of magic. Interesting enough, if we look at. Just looking at physics, there should be, when the universe is created, an equal amount of matter and antimatter an equal amount of energy, equal distribution. But we know factually, we know factually, something happened and it was just slightly uneven. And then that allowed stars to form and that allowed planets to happen. That allowed. Because there was an unevenness. And that unevenness allowed everything to happen. That unevenness might be that little bit of magic that shouldn't have been here. Which means since the beginning of time, when this realm was created, was something off. It had nothing to do with the sea people. The sea people are trying to capitalize on it. They're trying to figure it out. It might be the closest to figuring it out. But they didn't make humanity. No, Adam and Eve didn't make humanity. We evolved naturally.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: That's why science and religion conflict so hard. Because religion trying to tell us, oh, Adam and Eve made you. But it's like, whatever, our ancestors are clearly around way before that moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So there's something about this realm that has always been a little messed up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the sea people are just the first to figure it out. And although Elfhame should be the center, Shadow realm and Earth realm being to its sides or below it, you could say in a triangular form where the tip is Elfame, and the two bottom points are the shadow realm and Earth realm. Instead, a line formed, and Elfame seems to have created Shadow realm below it, but Earth realm above it. And that's where the fear then comes in. How are the shadow people stopping magic? You're stronger than the magic. How are the not the shadow people? How are the sea people stopping the magic? How are the sea people creating things like Jesus? How is that same technology surviving the test of time and making it till the Jews can create something like Joseph? You send your most powerful creatures out there, the elves, to stop the cap. And these guys are just like, nah, nah, nah, f*** that, F*** that. You can't interact with us. We're too good. So something happened in creating earthrealm where Mab messed up.

Cristina: Well, not Mab, because she made things that made us.

Jack: Fair enough, but I think she made the realms, and then those things made the life.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But if we were to say it's just the life, that would be one thing. But the way the universe formed proves that it exists. Ingrained in all that is EarthRealm. There's some. Some feature about EarthRealm that is really exaggerated in some way we don't understand.

Cristina: No, but now we know it's our magic, well, we'll see something similar to magic.

Jack: At least it has the same effects as magic. Because without any science, without any magic, without any power, just adrenochrome, just something that runs in our veins, we can gain passage into the shadow realm just with our emotions. We can grant passage into our realm. Yeah, overpowered. Overpowered, that is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alternatively, it might be a human feature because it doesn't seem to have been mentioned in any other magnitude.

Cristina: Yeah, we don't know if the sea people can do anything like that either.

Jack: But then we do know that the butterflies had the same effect. Yes, we know animal sacrifices could bring. Yes, we could drink and cross over in small magnitudes. And with little bits of fear we can bring things over. So animals have it too.

Cristina: Animals do have it. I don't know if the sea people have it because as far as we.

Jack: Can go, yeah, we don't know if you're human, but animals aren't human.

Cristina: Aren't human. But they can still have it.

Jack: They can still have it. So we don't know if the sea people are even biologic in the way we are.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess that's. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, it's getting weird, right?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Wow. It's crazy because with little effort and intervention, natural earth energy somehow affect the shadow realm. Casual. Just something we can do. Yeah, it's weird because every narrative in the universe says what humans are. The unique thing. Even look at Star Trek. It's like, why is the rest of the universe bending to the will of the Federation? Well, there's something about humans, it's just not.

Cristina: It's not just humans because it is animals too. It's biology.

Jack: Biology. Well now that wasn't their only focus though. Although it falls in line with the focus of the sun gods and the focus of the sea people, which is to make life. The sea people are being helped by the energies of the sun gods. And these people are out here doing their own thing. But they do eventually leave the need to make that life because of their secondary focus becoming their primary focus. Their secondary focuses. And this will explain where what they were doing when we stumbled upon them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Their secondary focus was storing large sums of data. A large portion of the research and experiments performed were entirely focused on storing great sums of data. Huge, huge sums. And it'll make way more sense as we talk about the three codexes. The Paris Codex as it is known right now, is a document which contains a day by day journal of research reports written by Itzama. This is found and it's called the Paris Codex because some French people found it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And it's in Paris. Right now, the only surviving part of the much larger Parisianus. Which is a collection containing the research of all the earth gods. Somewhere on earth there is a collection of of a day to day report by this team of researchers.

Cristina: Why is that important though?

Jack: It's their data. It's their research.

Cristina: But this is their main thing.

Jack: It's their research. The research focused primarily on the storage of immense amounts of information and data. Which is what was in the Codex. The second codex is called the Dresden Codex as it is known today. It is a document which is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists on the other side of Kaf.

Cristina: What?

Jack: It was given by a scientist they often worked with named Tohil. Which translates in Egyptian. Sarah.

Cristina: No way. What? Why?

Jack: And this team of researchers from the other side of the rift.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: This Dresden Codex contained energy storage capabilities to be implemented in assistance with storing immense amounts of data. The more data you're trying to store, the more energy you need to store it.

Cristina: Are they making a supercomputer? Is that part of the pyramid somehow too?

Jack: In Egypt it includes ways to optimize energy acquisition and the most efficient ways of storing them.

Cristina: One. Nine. I like that. Is there another one? You said there's three.

Jack: There's three.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The last one is called the Madrid Codex as it is known today. A document which contains an exact replica of scientific research profound by scientists. Get ready for this. Because I don't know who the f***. Performed by scientists in the underworld. What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: The Mudrid Codex is an exact replica of scientific research performed by scientists in the underworld.

Cristina: What were they doing?

Jack: I can tell you what it is. I can't tell you who it was. The data focuses primarily on building extensive comprehensive portals. The portals are meant to bridge gaps between large distances within singular realms. And bridge across from one realm to another.

Cristina: Why is this so important? What is happening? Everything is connected. But it doesn't make a picture. It just makes everything obviously related.

Jack: Yes. Everything is obviously working together. For what?

Cristina: For what? That is still the big question. Like no matter how much we circle.

Jack: No matter what we're always circling.

Cristina: Yes. What? So close and yet so far. I don't understand.

Jack: I don't understand either.

Cristina: How are they all so important?

Jack: And what? What research team from the Underworld? What research team?

Cristina: The Egyptians have a research team in Underworld. No, they don't have one of them.

Jack: Autumn came from the underworld. But he was part of the Sun Gods. And they said that the Dresden Codex is the one with the replica from the other side of Koph. Which means that's data from the sea people and data from the Egyptians. But he specifically says that it came from Toho, which is Ra, which means.

Cristina: I thought Ra was also doing stuff in the shadow realm.

Jack: No, they are doing their research in Earthrealm. That's what the sun gods are. There is a portal so that the people who live in the shadow realm can go back and forward, but their research is done over here. And also, why would the Mayan know that they're going. And why would they refer to them as two different groups of people? Why would that make sense? Why wouldn't he just be like, oh, no, the people from the other side of Kaath have research in both the underworld and in the Overworld. No. So you're saying that the Maya are referring to the same group of people in two different contexts.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Because if Ra gave him one and you're saying, well, Ra gave him the other, then why didn't he just say Ra gave me the two codexes? That doesn't make any sense. He's just saying, oh, Ra gave me one, but also the underworld people who are also Ra gave me the other one. I guess it doesn't make any sense. Is that what you're getting at? Like, oh, well, they. They were also working over there. Why wouldn't they just say it's the same people then?

Cristina: Because maybe they were also working with them over there. So he didn't feel like mentioning it? I don't know.

Jack: Then he wouldn't specify where they're from. He would just say that he got it from Tohill twice. Okay, we just say he got it from Tohel, the Dresden one, and he got the Madrid one from Tohel.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And then specifying where they came from, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: I feel like where I'm at, where it's from matters way more than who gave him the things.

Jack: Why? Because the people, where they are doesn't. What? The people doing the research are the ones who matter. You're saying that he goes into the shadow realm, suddenly these people have no memory and they just got new personalities. And their research is totally different as a result. No, of course the mind is the same. If. If Ra goes to the shadow realm and researches over, it's still raw in the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes, but the research is different.

Jack: Even if the research was different, the same guy gave it to you. You just omitting that. Oh, he definitely gonna point out he gave me this one, but I'm not gonna bother mentioning gave me that one. I'm gonna talk about it like it's a different person. Like it's a different group of people.

Cristina: But he doesn't mention anything.

Jack: Yeah, he says researchers from the underworld.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just completely. Oh no. Ra gave me this one, but yeah, Ra gave me that one. We're just gonna be ambiguous about it. Okay, that doesn't make any sense. And the research is absolutely different. Not only that, Ra himself was given the technology of portals and ship by the sea people. He didn't make it up. So that doesn't check out anyways. That's directly conflicting with what we know factually.

Cristina: So was the sea people in the shadow realm?

Jack: No, because they would have just said sea people, which they also mention. That's where they got the data. That's how we know this is a different group of people. They've mentioned everyone else.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how we know this is a different group of people. Because they mentioned the sea people directly and they mentioned the sun gods directly through Ra. Okay, so there is another group of people who gave them portal technology.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Interesting enough. Are those the people who gave the sea people portal technology and then the sea people gave that technology to the Egyptians? As far as we knew, the sea people invented these technologies. But now we have a group of people who aren't the sea people doing.

Cristina: This Shadow realm people that we know.

Jack: Some shadow realm people.

Cristina: I don't understand this picture. If he's also Jesus and the portals, although maybe that's unrelated, I don't know. But he got that technology from the shadow realm as well.

Jack: That happens later anyways.

Cristina: Yes, but the shadow realm has this technology.

Jack: Or somebody's working on it.

Cristina: But it's starting in the shadow realm.

Jack: We don't know if it's starting in the shadow realm because one, humans can just cause crosses across the bridge. And two, the sea people have some sort of equivalent.

Cristina: Yes, but they didn't make it. Or we don't know if we don't know.

Jack: We have no idea.

Cristina: We don't know where. We know humans have like a natural one, but the man made ones are those sea people or shadow people technology. We don't know.

Jack: Well, we know Mount Kaaf goes to the shadow realm, but we don't. And it's said by many Persian civilizations to be a focal point. But we also know that the Viking had focal points that allowed them to cross and communicate as well through the shadow realm.

Cristina: But now it feels like it's a shadow realm technology sort of thing.

Jack: Well, I don't know, because The Sea People can also build portals across where they're reaching Mount Athos and going to the Atlantic Ocean. Back and forth easily.

Cristina: But those could have been somehow gifts from the Shadow.

Jack: It could have been 100%. Could have totally been. But we don't know.

Cristina: We don't know.

Jack: We have no reference point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: When we make assumptions, we need some form of information. There's nothing for us to assume here. It just feels like as far as we know right now, maybe two groups of people. We know two groups of people have teleportation technology. One group of people gives it to the Mayan, and the Sea People gives it to the Egyptian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting, right?

Cristina: Yeah. Does it mean okay, But.

Jack: But there is this next piece of information. This doesn't tell us where they got it, but this does bring in the Sea People. And this is the last detail. With assistance from the Sea People and a researcher named Jacobs, a portal to Kaath and the underworld was successfully established and maintained, opened at all times atop Mount Cerro Quimondo, which is a mountain in Guatemala.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We don't know if the codex came before or after. The Madrid Codex that contains the teleportation technology provided by scientists from the underworld. We don't know if that came before or after. We know that after the portals that they themselves came up with, which could only work twice a year for a single day.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We know. After that point, two events took place. The Sea People built a portal atop one of their mountains that sustains a connection to the underworld on Mount Ka. The same way that Mount Kaaf does.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know that some underworld scientists, some Shadow Realm scientists, gave them all their data relative to making portals that traverse large distances within one realm and cross between realms. So the same information twice, and we don't know which one came first.

Cristina: No. Or why it's important. Or how. Like why it's important. It's important to establish communication.

Jack: I think. I think at this point, portals are to establish communication between design. It's telephones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's computers. It's our way to get over there and share our data.

Cristina: But is that the main goal as well? Like, is it having someone that can travel between the portals?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Not just the portals, but the science is really what they're trying to build too.

Jack: I have no idea. We know immense energy data storage and 2 instances of creatures that can willingly cross the threshold of realms.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But neither can enter Alfame.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So Alfame seems like a huge barrier. There's a huge difficulty getting there. If that's the goal and so it.

Cristina: Is to like go where the sea people are. I guess.

Jack: Yes. So yes. Interesting fact about that. Maybe the sea people are traitors from Alfame.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Maybe the sea people are just some people who are like f*** Alfame. We're going to make our s*** overpowered. But then why can't they get back? They should be able to just enter. No, it can't be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, can't be. They should be able to just get in.

Cristina: I don't think. Yeah, yeah. I don't think they're else. Huh?

Jack: I don't know what the goal is. I don't know what the goal is. But now we know how the Mayans were communicating with the Egyptians and why they share data.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or how they share data. We don't know why anybody's doing anything. We know how they're doing a bunch.

Cristina: Of yes, we know what they're doing. We know the what Idea why.

Jack: We have no idea why. We have so many. What's answered yes. No wise. We have no eyes.

Cristina: Too rad. It's so weird if it's just all random sign stuff. But like come on.

Jack: Could be there. They could just be curious scientists.

Cristina: There's got to be something related. Something.

Jack: There has to be. There has to be. Specifically because of the giant move that the sea people did. Specifically because of the mass amounts of energies that they need. Come on. That's not random.

Cristina: That's definitely not random.

Jack: Purposeful knowing. You need. F***. Tons of storage room for data. What? Which tells us what they're doing. They froze themselves or they connect themselves into something that allows them to protect and manage this data. That seems to be the case. The same. If we apply the same logic that the Egyptians did where they teleported themselves to go manage energy facilities.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we apply that same logic to the Mayans, then they are just managing the data. They're focusing on the other thing. Because the sea people seem to be the best at the life part. The making the life part.

Cristina: How is that important?

Jack: I don't know how that's important. And whatever the h*** is in the Shadow Realm. Just like always, the hardest thing in the world is getting data on Elfame and getting data on the Shadow Realm. All we have are the people come through and tell us mm. And Abraxas left and he just disappears. That's it. We just. As soon as something goes into the Shadow realm, we lost it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And as soon as it comes out we can just get what they tell us about the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: We don't know anything.

Jack: But we know that they've mentioned that there's a research group from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Can we find that research group?

Jack: How do we find the research group?

Cristina: Because they have to come out eventually.

Jack: Who says? Why would they need to come out?

Cristina: I don't know. To give us that thing. That's about what.

Jack: They were Shadow Realm creatures over here who could just go retrieve it. There's no reason for them to come out.

Cristina: Yeah. They don't take humans over there. Human scientists or. If they don't know.

Jack: The problem is we don't know. We can't make assumptions on things we don't know. Yeah, that is the issue. We have no f****** clue. If Earth Realm creatures were consistently making trips to the Shadow Realm. We have no idea for what. No clue. What were they doing over there? No clue. And thanks to the Mayans, now we have the division that there are a bare minimum of four groups, at least four groups working together. The Sea people, the Egyptians, the Mayan and the Shadow Realm research group.

Cristina: You're talking about the serpents.

Jack: They're part of the three. They're part of the groups. They're not an individual group of their own.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, like the Sun Gods have their own group. The sea people have their own group. Like they all have a serpent in the group.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Who actually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Here's the most interesting detail about all this similarity across all the things. Two unnamed serpents. One of them is with the Sea people and the other one is with Ixchel. Unnamed serpents. The one with Ixchell seems to just be a serpent. No feathers are mentioned. The one with the Sea people also just seems to be a serpent. No feathers connected to it either. Or at least that we know of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just similarities.

Cristina: I noticed it might have legs.

Jack: Might have legs. But is it that there are different calibers of the Naga? Or maybe they just look different and is an irrelevant detail.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's. It's all right. They're. They're random. Yeah.

Jack: Could 100 be. Some of them. They got different colors. We know that much. But feathers show up a lot. But I guess it's. It doesn't necessarily have to mean they all have feathers.

Cristina: Yeah. Or wings seem more human. Like even though they're snakes.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes. Some of them just have. What? Yeah, exactly. No, you're totally right. You're totally right.

Cristina: Yeah, a lot of them are snakes. We don't know. Are we assuming the one in the garden is an actual snake doll?

Jack: No, no. That was a functional thinking part of the team.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And yeah, I guess they're totally different because the world snake is some whole other s***. Yes, that's some big m***********. So, yeah, fair enough. They're all different. Different sizes, different magnitudes. Four teams. The Sun Gods, Earth Gods, the Earth Gods, the Sea People, the Shadow Team, and wherever Abraxas left that we have dubbed the Moon Gods until further notice. And we don't know what they are doing. They have been labeled the bad guys according to the Christian Bible, which would suggest they never worked with the other four teams.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They aren't the shadow people who provided the portal technology. That's a different group of people. Abraxas is working with somebody else doing something else. So this is what we got.

Cristina: I will never know. Or maybe we don't know. Who knows?

Jack: This is what we've got. We just keep circling. Whatever the case might be, we know something like, Jesus seems to be the point. And it requires a lot of data and a lot of energy.

Cristina: Is he the point? We don't know.

Jack: If doing it biologically fails and they can't figure it out, maybe bridging a portal across would be the goal. But then that would require a lot of energy.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it would require so much math that maybe you need a f*** ton of storage. Who knows? Also, if we consider how complicated a living sentient being's genome would be, that also would require immense amounts of data.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Although I don't think it would require as much energy. Then again, if you're trying to create something and infuse literal alpha magic into it, or at least replicate it, maybe that would take immense amounts of energy.

Cristina: Maybe that.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. And I wonder. The idea is how do we. The same way we pieced the sea people together with crap from everywhere else. Because there's no direct like, oh, we're doing this. No, it's like little bits here, a little bit there, a little bits over there. And together we built what the sea people really are. Can we do that for whatever the h*** this team is in the Shadow Realm? Is there enough? Because there's mentioned once they provided the Madrid Codex. They were mentioned. So if I look hard enough, we got two important details that I just need to cross reference. Which are we know they would have a Naga.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we know they gave us portals. Okay, who deals with portals and the Naga and is from the Shadow Realm. If I can look at this through any culture, any religion, any science, any philosophy that discusses this, perhaps I can zero in and find Mentions of whoever these people are.

Cristina: Ah, yes. I wonder if they're going to be as random as what we've already talked about. The sun gods, moon gods, earth gods. Are they going to be some other name to these people that have probably communicated with them?

Jack: Yeah. And I suppose because they seem to all be leaders of immense civilizations, including Autumn, that completely left his civilization. So my guess would be that these individuals are probably Jinn. Probably the leaders of their civilization. And yeah, I'm sure their people have dubbed their research team something. Hopefully they're not. But also, we have no idea how.

Cristina: We don't know. Yeah.

Jack: It could just be like, no, they're just people.

Cristina: We'll find out.

Jack: If not, we'll give them a name.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But hopefully there's something cool like that. The earth gods and the sun gods people, you know, they were pretty cool.

Cristina: Pretty cool.

Jack: Pretty cool. The sea people are kind of lame.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But people didn't know what to call them. They were too cryptic. They just knew all the sea gods. They could have called them the sea gods, but the problem is they were being referred to by people that other people called gods. Do you get my point?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Like the people that the Greek called gods. The Greek gods are the ones that were referring to the. The Norse gods were the ones referring to the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, it was God, because if talking about. If people were talking about them, they would have said, but there are no people talking to the sea people. They had no people. They were all equal. All the sea people were equal. The closest they had were the Persians. And again, they alienated the Persians.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They're Persians themselves. But the Persian war wasn't their civilization. Everybody in the Persian Gulf oasis at the palace of Alcaraz was equal. Even if there was a scientific group, they weren't more powerful. They were just other sea people. They weren't this other species or more advanced species. No, it was the technology of the sea people. So nobody was calling them anything. They were just people.

Cristina: We'll call them the sea gods, I guess. Or the ocean gods. Sea sounds better.

Jack: Sea sounds better because sea would keep it more vague. Ocean says definitely ocean, but they were at a sea or not even at a sea. It was like a giant lake or a pond or like it wasn't an ocean. And then they went to an ocean. Like they were in different bodies of water. I think sea people works.

Cristina: Water gods.

Jack: Water gods, I guess. Yeah, but we already know them as the sea peoples. It doesn't matter. Yeah, but that's where we are that's what we have. I still don't know any of the whys. We have no whys.

Cristina: Someone give us a why.

Jack: But we have so many what's.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. Look, if you guys, if you got any freaking theory, anything. Why is anything happening? We don't care what we know what. I'm great at finding the what, but nobody's talking about a freaking why. Give us theories. Also, who the h*** are these people from the shadow realm? Give us some clues on that. If you got ideas, hit us up on our socials. Tick tock, Instagram, Facebook, Xcombo Pot.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 19, 2023

Rambling 239: The Sun Gods

August 19, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How many civilizations did Oros send the Naga to? Do they all connect to the greater Sea People and Elfame narrative that is being uncovered? And what could the Naga lead us to about these individual civilizations? The duo trace Oros and the Naga children to two leaders that form one research team known to have directly interacted with the Sea People. The information perhaps provides enlightening perspectives into the other Realms and the intention of the Advanced Civilizations of the past.

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Topics Discussed:

Ancient Egypt Egypt
Wadjet
Naga
The Eye of Ra
The Sea People
Shadow Science
Atem
Jinn
Ophiomorphos
The Serpent of Light
The Sun Gods
Abraxas

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And lately we've going down the rabbit hole, the infinite rabbit hole, and it's more infinite. And I think now we've had a lot of recaps and whatever, and so I'm not doing that. Not in detail right now. I'm basically just going to go over our discovery of the Elfame creature named Oros and his purpose real quick. Because we.

Cristina: That's the fairy snake, I guess.

Jack: Yes. Okay, yes, fairy is incorrect. We should just start using creatures from Elfame as. Because, I mean, I guess we could call them fairies, but the problem is that's gonna create the connotation of, like, fairies as opposed to just magical creature. And magic is just another thing. It's not magic in the way we think of magic.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Except for Mab, which is arguably the closest thing to an actual God we have seen so far. And for all we know, this could just be like, if we think of the Kardashev scale, like maybe four or five years ago, we made an episode explaining how the Kardashev scale works. And it's basically the different scales of advanced civilizations. We're almost at one and there's like.

Cristina: What, five or something.

Jack: It keeps going up to our capacity. We can get to people who control entire solar system, people who control, I guess, star systems, people who control entire galaxies, people who control clusters of galaxies, people who control universes. And it's possible that Mab is a universal scale intelligent life form that might be one of many. And maybe she is just part of her civilization. And we think of like, she made all of this because it's easy to make this, but there's something significantly more advanced. She's just some bottom feeder we don't know.

Cristina: Whoa. Okay.

Jack: But keeping that in mind, the narrative goes as follows. As far as we know, Mab, this God tier, this actual God tier, that by comparison to anything we understand, is omniscient in every sense of the word, makes two important things. Elves to supervise the capacity of future civilizations, although they do not get dispersed until there is a worry which happens a hundred years before Christ. So they've been around for infinities, but they only get sent to put a cap on power about a hundred years before Christ. And then we have Oros the serpent. This Other thing, that guardian. Yeah, that Mab gives astounding abilities as well. Primarily the ability to make other snake, serpent. Things that are called the Naga. And the Naga, as Mabs has directed Oros, are to assist the intelligent civilizations that are advanced to assist them in whatever way is necessary for the respective civilizations. So help them get more powerful and make sure they don't get more powerful than us. Are the two systems that Map creates.

Cristina: Yeah, it's very interesting.

Jack: It's balance, optimal balance. We need you to make sure that they can continue to develop and we need you over here to make sure. But they don't surpass us. So control the rate with these two things, a cap and an assistance. Now, Oros goes out of his way and he decides, I'm gonna make the Naga, which are his children, essentially. We call them children, but that's just deity speak. Assuming he's not literally just a serpent. I mean, he could literally be a serpent creature, but that he's using whatever technology exists from Elfame to create these other things that are going to go assist. Yeah, they could be their versions of Camaras or androids or whatever the case might be. He makes this thing that we call the Naga and they go out to assist the individual civilizations. We know this to be true. We found this in two different texts. That's very interesting. And so we dive in a couple of texts and we find, you know, there's Echidna, the mother of a. Again, Godspeed the mother. But it's probably just another scientist who created Medusa and things of that nature. We have the serpent from the Bible that works in the garden.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We. So there's examples of these things. And in the latest episodes, we've been investigating the advanced civilizations. We have what their reasoning for doing what they've done is.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we seem to have been reaching a cap. Like the resolution has been completed. We get that. The idea seems to be, in theory, to get to Elfhame, to get more powerful than. And get to Elfhame. Jesus is an example of an individual who only exists with the intention to get to Elfhame, as well as Joseph the golem created by the Jews, which is again, an individual made with presumably the intention to get to Alphane.

Cristina: Yes. Well, yeah, I mean, we don't really, really know.

Jack: We don't really, really know.

Cristina: Well, we know that they can pretty much teleport wherever.

Jack: Yes. Both of these individuals have the ability to cross two realms out of the three, and they're still working towards something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And magic seems to be woven into the creation of both of these individuals. So I had a simple logic to then proceed with this. We know the Naga exist. We know that they are created by Oros, which means there must be more. More Naga.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And the logic is very simple. If we follow the Naga, we land at the most advanced civilizations and then we can see what it is that why are they so advanced? What it is they're trying to accomplish with their advancements.

Cristina: Is it all gonna lead back to the fairy world or. We don't know, I guess.

Jack: Well, the idea would be to investigate that same thing, I suppose, to try to find out, like I just said, what their goal is. If we knew, then there'd be no point in looking. But the idea would be to find out what it is that they're trying to accomplish. Because there are civilizations that are highly advanced. More than just the ones we've gone through, we've been following the same thread. So we have only gone through some of them. But they, the Naga are definitely spread out in different areas. So two things I want to discuss. One of them is very short and small. It reminds me of the time that we had to go through Luciferianism to find information that was.

Cristina: Man, could it be anything like that? Man, that was so crazy?

Jack: No, but it opened a lot of doors.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, I landed at this story just trying to prove and confirm that, yes, there are Naga in locations that we have not tried to look before. So following the Naga and following Oros, trying to find mention of Oros or the Naga, I am led to the Australians, the Indigenous Australians, AKA the Aborigines, people, natives to Australia before the white man came and f***** them out of their land. Now, important details that weren't disclosed before. Although the cap to power was dispersed a hundred years before Christ, the children of Oros had gone out about 3 million years ago, way before the cap. Way before the cap. To the point that it makes absolute.

Cristina: Sense of why there is one.

Jack: Of why there's what?

Cristina: As to why there are caps in the first place. Like they did something before she decided, okay, now we got to send out these fairies.

Jack: No, like, it's clear that they've assisted simply because we have places like the sea people who were 2.5 million years ago. So they definitely got assistance. Although I doubt that the serpents are the reason for needing a cap in the first place. Because there's many places that have caps that there's many places that didn't even need a cap. They only have them because, you know, or not Even my bad. There's places that have serpents but don't need caps because they're advanced, but not sufficiently advanced to be problematic. Okay, so the serpents have nothing to do. Again, the serpents serve whatever is already being done. Yeah, they don't add anything additional. They help. They're not providers, they are helpers. So the existence of the Naga in no way means that they're the reason that a cap was required. The capabilities of the civilization are why the caps were necessary. Because why are there civilizations like the Greek that didn't necessarily need the cap? The fairies are just literally living alongside them, not interfering in any manner, shape or form, because there's no reason you guys aren't powerful enough to be a threat. But then things like the sea people are a f****** issue.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So again, the serpents don't really matter. The serpents are going to do whatever the civilization requires. Okay, until we get to Australia though. So as the Naga were dispersed 3 million years ago, they were to go to somehow Mab and Oros had knowledge of who would be becoming advanced. And so these serpents went to those locations to assist. Now they weren't all dispersed in one shot. They were slowly dispersed to where the intelligence was starting to build and where the technology began to develop. And then we get a serpent named Khadura and Khadura is assisting some civilization that's developing. And Khajura decides, f*** this, I'm not assisting some developed place. Khadra abandons post and ventures out of sight, popping up 60,000 years before Christ in Australia, where this serpent comes across natives. And the intellect of this serpent, who was helping formerly advanced civilizations that it abandoned, allowed it to understand at a higher capacity the workings of how humans function and positioned itself as the God of these people in order to be worshipped and brought up.

Cristina: Did he bring them up as well?

Jack: They were relative, not really. They were moving at their own pace. And this was not the serpent. Naga was not, not creating an assistance necessarily as much as positioning itself as God. So basically this is the rogue Naga that decided to abandon its assignment. They refer to it as the rainbow serpent. And because this was a particularly interesting looking Naga, it was rainbow colored, it liked water a lot, it hung out in ponds and s***.

Cristina: And it was just a giant snake or something.

Jack: Yeah, this is a shape shifting Naga. I could change its size. And so the Australian Aborigines people thought of this as their God 65,000 years ago. And yeah, so this Kajora tells them as they're completely ignorant and it has access to highly advanced technologies, magic and whatever else.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That it created the universe, it created everything. And it made them as the chosen people. And that as long as they maintain its happiness, it will watch over them forever.

Cristina: Sounds very familiar.

Jack: Yeah. And yeah, I just thought that was incredibly interesting.

Cristina: Wow, that's such a God thing. Or just, you know, like if you find someone less than you, like always. They all did it. They all did it. All those wannabe gods that are God. I mean, they're still seen as gods, so I guess, but they're not really.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like the snake, he's equal to those people, those wannabe gods.

Jack: Yeah. He abandoned post and did what they all do.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: Decided to.

Cristina: Was he making them have sacrifices? So for him.

Jack: I do not know. There's so little on these people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So, yeah, it's very vague. The mention of the rainbow serpent, which is just Kajura.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Khajura is actually mentioned in other texts as the Naga that abandoned post like someone else. Yeah. So basically the same description of a rainbow prism snake.

Cristina: Where was he hanging out?

Jack: Other areas. He's mentioned in a bunch of different areas, nowhere specific. He's mentioned by the Egyptians. He's mentioned by the same suspects, you know, the people who have the most information. They all mentioned.

Cristina: Okay. But we can't tell which one he was, which civilization he was originally watching over.

Jack: No, he abandoned them and who knows what happened. Presumably they got replaced by. He got. The post was replaced. Yeah, but yeah, so Khajura was mentioned by the Greek, was mentioned by the Egyptians, was mentioned by the Persians. They just speak of their respective Naga. Speak of the one who abandoned post. He's a legendary f****** snake that went out and decided I'm God.

Cristina: That's so crazy interesting.

Jack: But what the story did was confirm the theory that there are more that aren't connected to the thread. They're insignificant instances that don't move forward the larger picture we're trying to solve. It's just instances that relate but don't assist with the information. So I was like, okay, there must be. And so I stumble upon this story that confirms, yes, there is in fact other individuals that don't fit the bigger narrative. So we wouldn't stumble upon them at random. We'd have to look for them specifically.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so I go all the way back, go to Ouros and then start following any and every thread I can outwards from Ourros and seeing where it goes.

Cristina: What else did you find?

Jack: Well, I will get to that from Oros we know that they have. That he has, or she has, whatever the h*** might be the case has made the Naga and that the Naga are sent to protect or assist advanced or developing civilizations. Now we know of particularly advanced civilizations, the three at the very top of every single interaction that we find. And then the subsequent ones are the Sea People. The very top. And we know that the serpent from the Garden is with the Sea People. That's Catholicism, Christianity as a whole. Judaism. Well, yeah, merging with the Sea People, I guess. Christianity merging with the Sea People, that's one thing. That serpent from the Bible is the Sea People, one giant advanced civilization. We have the Egyptians, we have the Mayans, and then we have lesser civilizations like the Greek that are also highly advanced, but nowhere near the capacity of these other individuals because they want it to be individualistic and as a result didn't have access to the same things. But we at no point, through deep diving, following the Sea People in which we know of their serpent. Yeah, Got mention of anything from the Mayans or the Egyptian. But if you cross reference Oros and the Egyptians or the Mayans, you get something interesting. And I did so opening the weirdest can of worms. And so we begin with the Egyptians.

Cristina: What are they up to?

Jack: Okay, the Egyptians and Oros lead me to a name called Wadjet. Wadjet is a female Naga, the appearance of a winged cobra. Very similar to the serpent from the garden, except legs versus wings, but just a normal snake looking individual. Nothing extremely exaggerated like the world snake, which is a whole other m***********.

Cristina: Yeah, huge thing.

Jack: Yeah. Vikings had an interesting one, by the way. That's another highly advanced civilization, the Norse Vikings.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so Wedjet, the female Naga, a winged cobra, is from the Egyptians. We know that they must have one if they are also highly advanced individuals. So we follow Wadjet and it takes us to an individual named Ra.

Cristina: Ra.

Jack: Ra. Now, Wadjet is often referred to as the Eye of Ra.

Cristina: She was helping him out. Yes, but he's an Egyptian though.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And she was to assist with all his scientific endeavors and was in charge of subduing the enemies of Ra. Now this is what I found through texts.

Cristina: This is what we were thinking that all these snakes are pretty much doing.

Jack: Yes. And it checks out. I find proof that, yes, her job is to assist with any scientific endeavor and to subdue any of his enemies. This is literal word for word. Now who the h*** is Ra? Ra is the leader of the advanced Egyptian people of the time, most likely a physicist and an established nuclear Fusion engineer.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Here's a twist. He worked directly with the Sea People.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Ra was responsible for assisting in the design of the energy storage designs that we find in.

Cristina: In the pyramids. Oh my gosh. I was thinking he was related somehow, but okay.

Jack: He's responsible for assisting in designing teleportation mechanisms found in Giza. Now keep in mind, these texts word it in such a way where he had the ability to power things, they view him. Everybody who is a scientist at those times by people who are lesser, are seen as gods. Keep that in mind. So he is seen as the guy who brings power to all. He is seen as the guy with the capacity to move himself instantaneously and move others instantaneously. But he is the one who bestows it. So it's energy and it's teleportation technology.

Cristina: He's using the pyramids for that stuff?

Jack: He is the guy who designed it. And Ra was solely in charge of overseeing the energy of facilities that powered Egypt. So he wasn't just the leader of that advanced group of Egyptians that oversaw the normal, smaller, normal Egyptians, but he was in charge of the facilities that created power for them. And he was the designer of a lot of those technologies with the help.

Cristina: Of the Snake Lady.

Jack: When Ra became too old to continue his duties of overseeing the Egyptian power management, he enlisted his best friend Horace, a meteorologist, which would take over the duties and assist now with the help of Watcha. So Wadjat moved as soon as. Okay, I can't do this anymore. I need you to keep moving all my work forward. Wadjet then changed who she assists to, it being Horus. Now we take a step backwards into the same Egyptian culture. Because now we have a couple of details. Adam. Adam is a creature from. From the Shadow Realm. Had advanced knowledge of Shadow Realm technology, had advanced knowledge of Shadow Realm sciences, established a successful scientifically advanced civilization in the Shadow Realm, and then abandoned that civilization, feeling that limitations had been reached.

Cristina: So he joins them.

Jack: He was accompanied by a Naga named Ophiomorphos.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Which confirms a very important detail.

Cristina: What?

Jack: A Naga in the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: This is happening in the Shadow Realm? Or this is.

Jack: This is happening in the Shadow Realm? I just said it's a creature from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: I know that.

Jack: But he's a creature from the Shadow. I will get to these things. I will get. Don't be desperate. All the questions will be answered. Autumn. A creature from the Shadow Realm with advanced technological and scientific knowledge establishes himself as a leader and creates highly advanced civilization within The Shadow Realm, later abandoning that civilization, feeling that it had reached its limits. And he was accompanied by a Naga named Ophiomorphos. So quickly. I'll dive into Ophiomorphos before we continue. Ophiomorphos, described as a beautiful snow white serpent, which makes absolute sense, considering the Shadow Realm is inherently dark and demented looking. So anything is. If it's not from there, will look brighter and more beautiful. So a snow white serpent, legged and winged with golden feathers. Its wings were beautiful and had golden feathers. Named by the Djinn, the Serpent of Light, originally serving a Shadow Realm leader named Yaldaboath. And Yaldaboath was a. A tyrannical warmonger who stole scientists and technologies from the Shadow Realm civilizations, slowly growing his knowledge and power. Eventually, Adam killed Yaldaboath and took over his empire. And Theomorphos, tasked with assisting this civilization, then became the direct assistant to the new leader, Adam.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Crazy that this is actually within the lore and in writing.

Cristina: But then.

Jack: So Adam leaves the Shadow Realm and joins. Well, he leaves the Shadow Realm and enters Egypt, okay. Where he establishes he joins the ancient Egyptians, which are the highly advanced. And with help of genius earthrealm physicist Cross formed an advanced research team with two additional experts that then come from the Shadow Realm. Tefnut and Shu, and one additional earthrealm scientist, Capri and the Naga widget and the Naga Ophiomorphos.

Cristina: I'm very confused about Shadow people now. This changes everything.

Jack: Well, you got. What? What is there to not understand? There's horrible creatures over there, and then there's people who are essentially the humans of that realm, the Djinn. Okay, so what part of this is new information that you don't get?

Cristina: It's usually horrible.

Jack: When have we said the Jinn are horrible?

Cristina: The blood sucking and eating people and convincing people to sacrifice people so that they could come in here.

Jack: The generalization that you're making is disrespectful almost, considering we have many humans who just decide to murder and commit war, but there's just a bunch who just live normal lives. So why wouldn't that apply equally, just objectively, all the Djinn are f***** up.

Cristina: That's what it seemed like. I don't know.

Jack: So the argument would be that it'd be totally justified if the Djinn looked at humans and were like, they're all f***** up. Not one of them is good. That argument would hold up just as much. Then I guess that's what you're doing. Essentially, you're looking at the Djinn being like, there is no such thing as good over there. No, there's a bunch of dark s*** over there. They got monsters and crap, but it's just normal to them. One of them comes over here and encounters a grizzly bear. You think they're like, oh, no, that's just a peaceful. No, there's monsters over there in Earth Realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You see how it works? It's the same thing. We're usually discussing the things that cause bad things over here, because those are the only things we can recognize. Anything that doesn't cause bad goes unnoticed for the most part. And we've in the past discussed Djinn, and they're not necessarily bad. Some jinn are just wandering and it's fine. We've had. I think there's an episode just called Djinn or something like that where we just talk. No, it's actually the Shadow realm episode where we're talking about the people from the shadow realm and then the creatures from the shadow realm. They're not the same.

Cristina: Okay, I remember the people from the shadow realm, the Djinn. Okay, yeah.

Jack: Presumably Jehovah of Dark is a f***** up Djinn. He's one of the bad Djinn. But yeah. So these are a couple of the most advanced individuals from the Shadow realm and a couple of the most advanced individuals from earthrealm decide on earthrealm in Egypt to get together and start working on things. So far, so weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now the research team would be named by the Egyptians the Sun Gods. Together, they enlisted a number of other scientists. Amun, Kek, Kvirth, Abraxas, Thoth and Horus. Keep in mind we went backwards. So these are all scientists, part of the Sun God group.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They would proceed to make a series of important technological breakthroughs, and they began to work alongside the scientifically more advanced sea people.

Cristina: The Sea people. So the sea people and the shadow people are all hanging out with Egyptians?

Jack: The sea people were hanging out with the sun gods, which was a scientific collective of Egyptians and shadow realm people.

Cristina: Is that what I said?

Jack: You said that the sea people and the shadow realm people are hanging out with the Egyptians. That would assume that the. These are a group of sea people and shadow people together helping the Egyptians? No, it's a collective made up of individuals that we will label Egyptians that included shadow people as part of that group. The people who weren't part of that group were the sea people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow people and the Egyptians were one group of people, and the sea people are a different group of people.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: And so they began to work alongside the more advanced sea people and assisted by the sea people. Well, actually assisted the sea people in creating a technology named Adam.

Cristina: So they say Adam, Yes. What is their information on atom atem?

Jack: A t e m was the Shadowrum creature. And he came with a specific set of knowledge that allowed the Egyptians, along with the way significantly more advanced sea people to create a technology that they called Adam Adem Adam. Okay, so at e m name twisted Adam. So this name was almost in homage of Autumn the scientist, dude, Autumn the scientist. In honor of this creature from a different realm, we come up with the technology's name, Adam, which is explicitly titled as technology.

Cristina: And how do they describe this technology?

Jack: Well, that is unclear to some degree, but we know how it's described elsewhere, so we don't really need their description of it because we kind of already know what it is. We would just. That would be redundant information. Now Ra retires, as we know, as we established, because he gets very old. He is the leader of the Egyptians and Adam is the leader of the scientific group with assistance from Ra. Together they are equal. The the co owners, the co leaders of the Sun God's research team. But Ra is the leader of the Egyptians and thus the technologies that power his people and the teleportation technology and all that stuff. But Adam and Ra are partners, equals. They each have a Naga of their own. And they are co owners of the scientific research team. They design, make and use to work alongside the way more advanced c people to create powerful technologies. Now Ra retires and things kind of go a little haywire following the retirement of Ra. Abraxas, one of the scientists who wanted to be next in line to manage the power generation facilities and implement his personal ideas. He's an Egyptian, like Horus. He was angry that Horus is the one who got put in charge, was not happy about that. So Abraxas proceeds to steal copies of all the research the team had made. What Abraxas makes his way to Mount Kaath.

Cristina: No.

Jack: A location established by the sea people to give the Sun God's research team access to and from the shadow realm. Now we know what the purpose of this mountain really was. It was designed with the help of the sea people. The sea people came and was like, okay, we can help you guys get to and from effortlessly, so you guys have a way. So Mount Kaaf is designed so that this team composed of Shadow realm individuals and Egyptians can move to and from the shadow realm easily. So even before having contact with the Shadow Realm people. These sea people are so savage at what they're doing. They could just. Here's a connection. It's cool.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay.

Jack: The level of advancement they have is so astounding.

Cristina: Yeah. But what that is.

Jack: So Abraxas proceeds to steal about half of all the data copies of it. And he goes and makes his way to Mount Ka. And he goes to the Shadow Realm where he is no longer heard of.

Cristina: Okay. And this data is the atom.

Jack: All their research. So much of their research. But yes, Adam is one of the bits of research. And he escapes to the Shadow Realm with the research and isn't heard of again.

Cristina: Yes. Until we get to Jesus and other Jesus. I forgot his name. Joseph.

Jack: Then we have the era of the Knights Templar. And in the era of the Knights Templar, after the sea people moved away from the palace of Alcaraz and left the Persian Gulf oasis, after the Knights Templar were established by the Magi, after Mount Kala off was vanished from being accessed, the Knights Templar labeled Abraxas a traitor within all scientific circles and rewrote Abraxas in the Bible and the Torah as an evil demon.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: So we can actually cross reference Abraxas in both Egyptian lore as one of the great minds and in the Bible and the Torah as a demon.

Cristina: Of course. Wow. Wow. They have him in the Bible. Do they have any other mentions of any Egyptian scientists?

Jack: Perhaps. But now let's unpack a lot of this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This is the information we have found. This is what we have now. It's unpacking time. We now know what Mount Kaf is. I don't think the mountain was just naturally the way it is. It was made.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it was made in collaboration. It was almost like the Statue of Liberty.

Cristina: It's a gift from the sea people.

Jack: From the sea people. We work closely together. We share a lot of things. And you guys are an algamation of friends from elsewhere and friends from here. And so we want you to have a way back home whenever you need. Which presumes that Adam still had access to his people consistently. Maybe he had some right hand that managed the people, but he had access to return to the Shadow Realm at will. Which means he was probably still in charge of his own people.

Cristina: Yeah. That's pretty cool.

Jack: And it also confirms that there is a highly advanced civilization factually over there that is not related to the Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: There's no way of getting those stories. What? That's pretty interesting.

Jack: Not yet. Not that we Know of.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But we have this much that involves individuals from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah. Wow.

Jack: So who knows what to what capacity we might be able to unravel some of this information. Following these threads.

Cristina: Pretty crazy.

Jack: You're gonna say something?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay. It's also fascinating that. Yes, the Naga are everywhere. All civilizations have them. And this is an interesting situation in which we have a creature from the Shadow Realm with his own Naga and a creature from Earth Realm, an individual from earthrealm who with Zone Naga. And they create a scientific group. So there's actually two Naga in this overpowered research team.

Cristina: Which are the two?

Jack: There's the girl, it's Wadjet, the female, and Ophiomorphos, the snow white golden winged serpent.

Cristina: Okay. I thought they were the same. Which one's which again? One is with.

Jack: One is with Adam. That's Ophiomorphous.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the Shadow Realm serpent. They came from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people of the Shadow Realm considered it the most beautiful, vibrant thing they had ever seen. Because a lot of the Djinn from over there have never been to Earth Realm. Although fear and things can allow them to come through. Because of how the physics between our realms work, a lot of them just don't bother. And so they have no concept of what things over here might be like. And so this is the most beautiful, vibrant, colorful thing they have ever seen. And then there's Wadjet, which is Ra's personal serpent.

Cristina: And he's an Egyptian.

Jack: He is an Egyptian.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: An ancient, highly advanced Egyptian scientist dude.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Responsible for creating teleportation technologies and highly advanced future fusion nuclear fusion technologies, which then bring into question what technology was being designed between the sun gods and the sea people that required there to be a teleportation device aiming out to the great void.

Cristina: Yeah. What does Adam have to do with anything?

Jack: Well, he's part of the group.

Cristina: No, the technology.

Jack: Oh, technology Adam. Well, yeah. Interesting. I don't think Adam has anything to do with the teleportation technology.

Cristina: You don't think the technology has that other technology?

Jack: I think they're unrelated.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because we know that Adam is to create some sort of being with the capacity to enter the fairy world of Elfame. The fairy realm. I don't think that transportation technology that moves you through our own physical space is useful. Useful in any way to get you to Alfame. Because you need methods that are unrelated to our physics, while teleportation is just using our own rules. Nevertheless, it's such specifically our Rules of physics that it's using entanglement. So I doubt they're connected unless in some way unobvious way. Or there's something or someone in the Great Void. Which could be the case. Additionally, where did these Egyptians go? Those Egyptians and the Maya vanished. It's possible that what's in the Great Void are these guys. Are. These Egyptians are the sun God people that went over there. And that's why the Great Void even exists. It wasn't like that before. It's just them capturing all of these stars because they already have incredible energy production technology.

Cristina: Oh, they could be there.

Jack: They could be over there harnessing energy. And that's why it's a Great Void. They just got a bunch of Dyson spheres surrounding a absurd number of stars. And using that energy to further their research to power technologies that maybe make some rift they can cross to Elfame or something.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: If. If it's connected to the technology of Adam, then there is something there.

Cristina: Yes. If only we knew the truth of what it was all about. There's so much guesswork here. Like what could their actual goal be?

Jack: Whose?

Cristina: Any of them. The shadow people, the sea people. Like we don't really know what really they're really really after. We know Adam is involved. And who knows if the teleportation is involved. Jesus might be involved.

Jack: We know Jesus is involved. Jesus is designed by the creation of Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Well, what does anything. Like what's the end goal though? We know some goals. Yes, but. But not the true goal.

Jack: Well, as far as it seems we don't know exactly what the teleportation technology is. We can assume that the energy production technology was to power certain technologies. Like Adam and Eve.

Cristina: Okay, yes, that makes sense.

Jack: And like the Hedron Collider that uses an absurd amount of energy. Whatever the fruits are. Although the fruits themselves would be less technological mechanical and more they would seem less technology. So I guess they wouldn't need power the way we produce it. But in order to make a being that's part magic and genetic and all. So we probably used actual energy for that.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: As well as. How do you make Mount Kaath disappear? That's some sort of cloaking or teleportation technology. Just fling the whole mountain away. Where?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How do you move an entire civilization from the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean in Atlantis? Unless you have some sort of teleportation technology.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. So that is important.

Jack: And then you need something to power this immense Teleportation. So we know why they have crazy power and we know why they need teleportation. And that's all to protect the Adam and Eve technology that's in the garden and also contains the three fruits.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's all one thing. Presumably. And then if we assume the energy could be moved in the same way, then the entire Great Void is an energy collection facility that then comes through the Giza pyramids, stored there and redirected.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: To wherever.

Cristina: Interesting. Because where is their tech? Okay. I mean, where's their power source?

Jack: Where's their power source?

Cristina: They're underwater. Interesting. Could be coming from the pyramids.

Jack: From the pyramids? Yes. The Great Void uses singularity. Not singularity entanglement. To send energy from these colossal Dyson sphere that collect millions of stars. That's an absurd amount of power. Millions of stars. Then that gets sent entangled to the pyramids that store them and redirect again using more teleportation. Straight to the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean.

Cristina: Yes, because that's crazy. Crazy amount of power that has to keep them protected and alive underwater. Like that's a lot of power.

Jack: They have to be invisible, undetectable, and unreachable at all times.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. Whoa.

Jack: And if you have many, many, many stars versus energy, then you have infinite energy. And it's easy.

Cristina: Yeah, because as far as we can tell, they're probably still pretty human. Like they need to eat, drink, poop. You know the basic. Yes, as far as we can tell. So like, whoa.

Jack: And not only that, we have something interesting with Ra, which is he was in charge of managing energy, but also the Egyptian gods, but the people known as the Sun Gods. That research team is gone. Where are they? Yes, are they still managing energy somewhere, except doing it for the bigger, badder, more powerful sea people directly now, before it was for his own people. Yeah, but more important matters, we have to abandon this place. They suddenly disappear and the technology level of Egypt just collapses overnight. And then we have to see the Egyptians start from a way more primitive level. This happens overnight. The Mayans literally just disappear with no f****** trace. So two groups of people just disappoint? Technologically advanced groups of people just vanish overnight. Fascinating. So where did they go? Why did they abandon. Yes, exactly. How to. We already knew that they had to go to space, most likely to the Great Void.

Cristina: But now we know why.

Jack: But now we know why. Yes, it's to continue gathering energy. F***. The little amounts of energy we're gathering.

Cristina: We have masters of these godlike beings that are half animals, half human looking things. Those are just example of shadow people.

Jack: Yeah, some of them are examples of shadow people. Others are trying to explain the individuals who were. Just keep in mind these were humans before what we consider humans now. These were people who were more advanced, more capable. And it was people trying to explain what it is they were seeing. Like, oh, this guy could just pop up here and pop up over there. He must be some sort of God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like, nah, it's just technology. But you're so primitive, it looks like powers and magic to you.

Cristina: And their hieroglyphs of like spaceships, etc is probably related to real tech. Yes, people's tech. Okay.

Jack: We're seeing all the same things present themselves over and over and over. So if we were to connect all the dots together, then yes. The energy managing Ra and his collective of scientifically advanced individuals use Mount Kaf to traverse back and forth, forth. One of them abandons them and steals a bunch of data. Now that's dangerous. So we completely removed the passageway that they were using. And the understanding of Adam and the other shadow people, they're like, okay, we'll stay on this side. Screw that over there anyways. And then they decide, we need to help you guys protect the immense amount of scientific advancement and knowledge that we have. So they store the backup of whatever they have at any given moment, or whatever they have at that moment underneath the Sphinx and underneath the Mayan temples. Then the Egyptians decide, we're gonna go. We know you guys can traverse space. You guys can survive underwater in immense pressure. We need your technology. We're gonna teleport ourselves to this place. Too far for anything to reach us through normal means. And we just won't explain to anybody else how to use our technology except you guys. So you guys can teleport and we can teleport because. But nobody else knows how to teleport.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So the sea people get teleported underground after the Egyptians totally disappear, build Dyson sphere using immense energy that they can already use. But now every time they create a Dyson sphere, they have more energy, making it easier to create another Dyson sphere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so they get another one. They got two stars, making it easier to capture the third. Before long, they have so much energy, they can move the entire population of the sea people from the Alcaraz palace in the Persian Gulf oasis to Atlantis at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, create a barrier that makes them invisible and untrackable. They use that Same energy that's coming all the way from the Great Void through the teleportation device, using entanglement into Giza and storing it there to then create either a cloak or completely plunge Kaaf into nowhere. Maybe flung Kaath all the way Mount Ka into the Great Void itself so nobody else could use it. And they can still jump in and out. And if Abraxas were to come through, he'd pop up somewhere unfamiliar. Who knows?

Cristina: Who knows? Yeah.

Jack: And maybe there's a whole civilization established over there by the Sun People. The Sun Gods, amazing people. And then all of this is so that the sea people can hide the technology, Adam and the advancement on that eve, the three fruits in whatever attempt they're making at something.

Cristina: At something. Ah. So close to this something. Yes.

Jack: We know Jesus is a product of this. And we know later the Jews create Joseph as part of the same something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We don't know how the Maya work into this bigger picture that we've just established, but a lot of lines just crossed.

Cristina: Yes. We're getting a better picture of how everybody works together. Yes. Well, the end is still incomplete. There's still something missing.

Jack: There's a lot missing.

Cristina: There's a lot missing. But it still feels.

Jack: We're inching. We're inching closer.

Cristina: It does feel like there's some progression.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Happening. What? I wonder?

Jack: We're that much closer to the answer to what the h*** is going on. What? And we know now of individuals from the shadow realm who just came through to assist. They weren't originally, but they came to these places and they're like, hey, I'm capable of this. And they're like, wow, creature from the other side. And wow, smart one wants to help and whatever.

Cristina: Great.

Jack: This is a situation specifically with the Egyptian in which we have creatures from Elfhame, creatures from the shadow realm, and creatures from Earth Realm working together.

Cristina: Amazing. Amazing.

Jack: The first instance of that.

Cristina: First.

Jack: The first instance in which we have all three working together.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Wow. Is there more stories of all three working together?

Jack: Fascinating. Right?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: I'm sure. Really? Really. If we dive into the Maya, I know we're gonna find something at least relative to this. Because they're somehow connected to this. They're somehow connected to this. And we don't know how yet.

Cristina: That's our next goal, maybe.

Jack: Yeah. We know that they had a lot of energy storage too. And we also know that they had the identical records that exist at the bottom of the Sphinx. So they're at least connected up into the point that The Maya disappear and the Egyptians disappear and the sea people disappear. Which happens all at the same time. For a fact. They're connected somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And now we have how two of the three are connected.

Cristina: So next is the Maya.

Jack: The next one has to be the Maya.

Cristina: Man, if they talk about Jesus, I'll be shocked. It's crazy.

Jack: I mean, they do have a mention of Jesus on their mentions of Jesus. And they have mention of the sea people, which are all just like. How the f*** do you know about any of this?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You're the farthest from any of this s***.

Cristina: Well, we got to relook at all of this information. We might have missed something.

Jack: Well, now we have more details to compare with these nodes. We have how they moved their people. We have where the Egyptians went. So we have how the sea people were moved, how the Egyptians were moved, where the Egyptians went. We've known where the sea people went.

Cristina: We know where the Adam started.

Jack: We know where Adam started. Which was actually in Egypt, as the original data came from Egypt. Even if the sea people mastered it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they created the much more advanced Eve, which at this point, the Egyptians are like, okay, you got it. You guys are way better than we are. We started the stones and you guys took it somewhere else entirely. So now we're gonna just assist you in your infinite progression. We're gonna focus on providing the energy you need.

Cristina: Yes. I love this relationship between them. Oh, it's so good.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: The scientists and sciences loving each other, helping each other out.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? That's crazy. Except for that one guy. I guess he doesn't love the other.

Jack: Brock's jealous guy. Yeah, well, actually, I'm glad you brought him back into attention because there's something interesting about this that. That is so fascinating to me.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Abraxas steals information, which includes teleportation. Includes energy creation and storage. And Adam, because the. And then he goes to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, crap. Is he is.

Jack: I don't think he is.

Cristina: You don't know?

Jack: I think we have the opposite scenario happening over there that we have with the Sun Gods. He has experience with Shadow Realm creatures coming from the Shadow Realm and assisting in a team called the Sun Gods research team. So he goes to the Shadow Realm and finds whatever smart group of people because he's not gonna do it alone. He himself wasn't even the next in line from how down the totem pole.

Cristina: But he wanted to be.

Jack: He wanted to be next in line to manage the storage. The energy storage facilities and to implement his own Things his interest was never to become the next big God thing. He had very specific goal and he was angry that that didn't play out. He was okay just waiting on that. So he had to find somebody who had other ambitions so that we can help each other accomplish our ambitions. Okay, so I'm thinking he went to the Shadow Realm and established what we will call the Moon Gods.

Cristina: The Moon gods. Okay, so the Moon Gods are led.

Jack: By Jehovah of Dark or Abraxas or both. The way that Ra and Adam are working together.

Cristina: Yes, yes. So you don't think they're the same person?

Jack: I don't think they're the same person.

Cristina: They're more likely just two people working together.

Jack: No, because in the Bible we have the night and day version of Jehovah and we have Adam as a different individual. Okay, so they know something that we've not established. They know the distinction somehow.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Between Jehovah of Dark and Abraxas.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: Those are two individuals that we know for a fact exist in the Shadow Realm. And they have Jesus on their side. That's three people. That's two Earth Realm individuals and one Shadow Realm individual working together.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we don't have Mount Kaf. So Jesus makes Jesus gates, AKA Shinto gates, to assist. Coming back and forward. A fuller picture.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Getting somewhere, inching towards something. The narrative moves forward. And I'm sure that we will find the Naga with the Mayans. And I'm sure that's going to be the doorway to what else is going on there. I know that's going to be the doorway. Bare minimum. If there's nothing else going on there, the Naga are going to guide us to the next intelligent, highly advanced civilization that might enlighten something.

Cristina: Yes. Maybe something in the Shadow Realm that will help us understand what's like. Exactly. I guess now we're calling them the Moon People organization.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: What's going on there?

Jack: Yes. Also the biggest problem is that we didn't get this information from the Shadow Realm. All this information was for individuals who left the Shadow Realm and were in earthrealm. There's still no way for us to access documents or information directly in the Shadow Realm. No, we can only get the perspective of individuals who are in earthrealm.

Cristina: Yeah, but that's still something. We got something.

Jack: We got something. We got some perspective. We know of a civilization that's advanced that's completely different than whatever Jehovah of Dark is working with. Unless that's directly where they went, which I doubt because it seems like Adam had some connection with his people. Presumably somebody governing in name, in his name, when he wasn't present. Because he was the leader of these people, he liberated them from infinite war. And the fact that he would use Mount Kaf to come back and forth along with Shu and Toph, whatever the h*** the guy's name is. Toughnut. Those two are also Shadow Realm creatures that would. All three of them could use this back and forward, which means they're also taking technology back to the Shadow Realm to assist the civilization in a useful way. Egyptians and Atoms, civilization both being helped out simultaneously by the collective known as the Sun Gods. I don't think Abraxas went to that civilization. I think Abraxas went to find something else that he can start from scratch and joined. I think that's where Jehovah of Dark immediately gets this information. And that's why hiding becomes important, because now there's traitors afoot. Now there's a problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: On top of Mab also trying to put a cap on this. We have traders, we have MAB trying to actively stop them, which is why there's magic barriers left and right. So we know being under the ocean is just to stop the physical beings. But how do you stop the magical beings? Well, you got magical barriers stopping them.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: Hence, whatever's surrounding Atlantis and whatever surrounding Athos and probably whatever surrounding Kaath.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There must be a combination of magic and tech and tech and Shadow Realm power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Whatever that is, Whatever that is. There's a lot. There's mixtures going on now.

Cristina: We're getting.

Jack: We're hitting a pinnacle where it's no longer just advanced tech. It's magic, which is another form of tech, and it's power, which is another form of tech.

Cristina: It's the most advanced tech.

Jack: Yeah. So that's where we are. That's what's going on so far. That's what I found. Whoa.

Cristina: That's all interesting. I loved it all.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: I just want to know more about those Moon people. I keep thinking I don't know what else to give them.

Jack: The moon.

Cristina: That's their title for now.

Jack: That's their title for now. Until we find out what name, what name to give them what they call themselves or if they don't, then we're.

Cristina: Just gonna learn more about them and more about the Sun People.

Jack: Yes. If we come across Abraxas again, maybe we'll have more information that'll be very useful.

Cristina: They're wondering, like, if the Cat People have anything to do with either sides. That would be interesting to see.

Jack: That would be interesting because I never.

Cristina: Thought, like, maybe they're just shadow people hanging out over here this whole time and.

Jack: Well, I think they were also just highly advanced individuals from Earth Realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I think it was just some of the first to become.

Cristina: Yeah. But I wonder if they're. We're working with any groups of these people we're talking about.

Jack: Oh, interesting. I think definitely the Mayans are going to work into this.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because we already know they're part of it. We just don't know how. We know that during the mass exodus that was of the sea people and of the Egyptians, the Mayan also vanished. They also went somewhere. The assumption so far we know and we've confirmed what we thought about the Egyptians, which is to space. It's possible that our original assumption about the Maya were correct and they are underground in some sort of pod that's preserving them. But to what end? For what? So that's what we would need to find out. Anyways, if you guys like any of this information, if you have any input or perspective on any of this, you can message us, tell us about it on all our socials, TikTok, Facebook, Instagram or X. That's all at JustConvo podcast.

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Jack: Yes. And the word of mouth. Tell everybody all of what we have discovered. All of this is on the Internet. It's hard to piece together, but again, if you find all the individual pieces, you could put it all together. It's all out there. None of this is made up. It all exists within religious text, scriptures, hieroglyphs. All of it is out there. Help us connect the dots.

Cristina: Help us. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.in fox, art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

August 12, 2023

Rambling 238: The Blood Libel

August 12, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who performs the Blood Libel? What does it mean? What is the Significance of the Child Eater Fountain? The duo becomes aware of the Child Eater Fountain in Switzerland, a statue of unknown origin depicting a child eating demon. The investigation into the origins of this statue opens up some interesting doors not before known of and perhaps provides insight into another civilization with highly advanced technologies.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed

Child Eater Fountain
Ritual Murder
The Blood Libel
Matzos
Adrenalized Flesh
The Power of Matzo
Rabbi Judah
The Voice of God
Dragging Spirits from the Shadow Realm
Creature from the Shadow Realm
Teleportation Between Realms
Josef the Golem
Three Robed Men
Six Mysterious Boxes

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today, in continuation to this infinite seeming rabbit hole that we keep falling down.

Cristina: There's more.

Jack: There's more. So no need for a recap. Every episode has frequent recap. Just go listen to the beginning of a different episode and then come back.

Cristina: We'll probably recap it somewhere in this episode.

Jack: Yeah, there's gonna be discussion trying to refine our ideas as we move forward with the information that I have uncovered. But let us begin in Switzerland.

Cristina: What's there?

Jack: Switzerland has a statue. A statue of some sort of creature eating children.

Cristina: It's not a person, it's a creature.

Jack: It's some sort of a creature eating children.

Cristina: Is there a story to it? Like is it from a child story or something?

Jack: Well, people who stare at it and don't do any research on it just believe it's Krumpus. Oh, eating kids.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Also, what is Krumpus? If Krampus eats children, that kind of falls in line with a lot of things, but story for a different day.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So I thought that it's interesting that there's a statue of a creature eating children that you know, probably something we should be looking at considering of everything we talk about. It's not Krampus. It's definitely not Krumpus.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Otherwise I would start there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it's not. It's a creature eating children. Which then tells us we should look at it because it probably connects to the bigger picture.

Cristina: Yeah. What does it look like?

Jack: It looks like some sort of a demon. So this statue of some sort of.

Cristina: A thing reminds me of those things in the Christmas time that you put the nuts in.

Jack: A nutcracker.

Cristina: A nutcracker.

Jack: It's definitely not a nutcracker.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the colors are very Christmassy, which made people think related to Santa Crumpus Krampus has Christmasy Christmas colors. So this demon statue is called Kindle Frisserbrunnen. The Kindle Frisserbrunnen. It is Swiss German. A Swiss German word. It doesn't mean anything. It means child eater fountain.

Cristina: Oh, very strange. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. So as you look at the Kindle Frisser Brennan, you notice a couple of interesting details. One is that reddish, very Santa Claus robe.

Cristina: It has funny looking hat.

Jack: It's eating A child. It has an interesting hat. It's eating one child, and it has a bag of more children with more children.

Cristina: Fits the whole, like, Christmasy theme. That has a bag.

Jack: Yes, yes. Not only that, we had a saint with children in barrels.

Cristina: Santa Claus.

Jack: Exactly. So there's. There's. There's consistency here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So it's easy to see why people would think Krampus. It's Krampus.

Cristina: Yeah, I see.

Jack: It's absolutely easy to see that it's.

Cristina: Like Santa Claus eating children.

Jack: So details about it. It's eating one child, and it has a bag on its side to its left with other children in the bag. Yep. Interesting detail about this is, as you pointed out, the hat.

Cristina: What type of hat is that?

Jack: That hat is a nightmare to track down, but it's a very specific hat, really. So the only thing giving us any clues about what this is is that hat. Everything else here is telling us what somebody wearing that hat would do, but the hat is telling us who. Fascinating. So I had to go down quite the complicated rabbit hole in order to find what hat looks exactly like that.

Cristina: I really want to know. I'm curious.

Jack: And there are many, many, many, many, many hats throughout the world.

Cristina: We're gonna find out. It's like the Pope's hat or something.

Jack: Many religious hats throughout the world. And that specific hat is called a Juden hut.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Juden hut that this demon is wearing is the traditional Jewish cap.

Cristina: That's so horrible. Okay.

Jack: Details surrounding this statue.

Cristina: It's racist.

Jack: It was founded, it was funded by an unknown contributor. They don't know who paid for this statue. It was there to replace the original old fountain that was there. It was just a withered, regular, basic fountain, and they replaced it with this. They don't know who paid to have it, and they don't know who provided the blueprints for the statue.

Cristina: And people were just like, okay, this is an interesting statue. Let's keep it.

Jack: It was free.

Cristina: Like,

Jack: The statue is representing something very, very, very specific, which, like, the hat is a freaking nightmare to track down. But as a researcher, I tracked it down. What we're witnessing being performed is called the blood labelle.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The blood label is ritual murder.

Cristina: And who's doing these rituals? It's the Jews.

Jack: The Jews. That's why it's a Jewish hat.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a Jewish demon eating children. So it's a blood ritual performed by the Jewish community. What does the ritual entail? Well, the blood ritual is done to extract blood from young children to Use in as the prime ingredient in a matzo.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: This is gonna blow your freaking mind. A matzo is a flatbread. It's a flatbread which is eaten during Passover. Wait, let's think about this real quick. There's another Jew famous for trying to get you to eat some bread and claiming that it is something flesh.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He was feeding people children blood. Oh, man. We knew he was into blood, but. Whoa, Whoa. Jesus.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Whoa. What was he doing? What was he. He was making cults like.

Jack: And he is already a person with magical abilities due to his nature of being created essentially as a. As a science experiment. So he has these special abilities and his culture already has this thing about blood.

Cristina: He needs them to drink his blood, not his blood. He needs his followers to drink blood to get. Be connected to him.

Jack: His blood is very different than the blood from this. But in general, they will all have abilities relative because it's all adrenochrome, whether it be nectar, ambrosia or icha.

Cristina: Yeah. He didn't even have to use his own blood, though he could. He was probably using children blood.

Jack: His blood was for his disciples.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But he had blood for others.

Cristina: I see.

Jack: That's why his disciples these days, who has abilities? Nobody has abilities. But in those days, anybody related to him in any manner, shape or form had abilities. Yeah, that tells us a lot. People getting his blood had special, special abilities. Not just immortality. Not just youth. Not just moving over to the shadow realm. We're talking performing what we have grown to label miracles. Meanwhile, random other people just get the immortal life and the youth and the this and the that. The normal stuff, the vampiric nature of it. There you go. They become vampires. No crazy extra abilities, just vampires.

Cristina: That is so crazy. And what from this hat?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Details about this ritual that became very interesting very quickly. In order to extract the blood from these children, a decapitation is performed and they are placed on an anti cross the way you would place a chicken on a string hanging after you cut its head so it would bleed out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It was a crucifixion every time.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they specifically said that the suffering enhances the flavor and purity of the matzo.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Very adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Is there an explanation of why they were eating these masks? Like, did they have.

Jack: Yes, we would get there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That is the point of this. So the matzah. The eating of the matzah began upon the Jewish exodus from Egypt, with the logic behind it being that it Symbolizes freedom from the constraints of the rule of Egyptians and very specifically their unholy technologies against, and I quote, the voice of God.

Cristina: Technology against the Egyptians. Technology.

Jack: Yes. These unpure advancements that the voice of our God has told us is bad.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: We know they're listening to something and I think we know who it has to be. Jehovah of dark. Because that's the guy beforehand, that's the guy that has an issue with a lot of this. Because Jehovah of light is the one making these technologies.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Egyptians technology. Okay. Whoa.

Jack: So fascinating. Okay. In ancient. This is real specific. Everything I just got is from a combination of biblical texts and personal accounts. Now, everything I'm about to explain right now has been expunged from current day texts, but can be found in certain texts. The parts that are not just firsthand accounts and the parts that are first hand accounts are not in biblical text. These are by people.

Cristina: By people around that time?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So matzos were consumed. The blood of those who consumed it was poured over an inanimate mud and CLAY Golem giant, 15 to 20ft in size. So let me repeat this.

Cristina: Yes. That makes no sense.

Jack: The blood of the people who consumed the matzos was then poured over a mud and clay sculpture of a golem giant that was about 15 to 20ft in size.

Cristina: The people eating these things, the people.

Jack: Who eat the matzo, those people would then pour their blood onto a clay sculpture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Of a golem, very giant golem, about 15, 20ft in size.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Yeah. The first of which was named Joseph of Prague.

Cristina: The person or the golem?

Jack: The golem.

Cristina: These things became alive or something.

Jack: Well, let us discuss the activity before we move forward.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people who consume the matzo pour their blood over the golem.

Cristina: And this golem is just a thing.

Jack: Made out of mud, clay and mud.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The people who consume the matzo. We've only heard about this another time. Do you know what we're talking about?

Cristina: No.

Jack: It's ichor.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They consumed a food of adrenochrome and then their body distilled.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now they use the ichor and give that to the sculpture.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fascinating.

Cristina: That is it.

Jack: Ichor, as we know, has the capacity to straight out kill a mortal. It's potent.

Cristina: Potent, but not to these. Well, I don't even know what's happening.

Jack: Well, let us move forward. The blood would then bring life to the sculpture. Very important quote.

Cristina: This is kind of insane.

Jack: Very important quote. This part is in texts that are no longer in current day scripture.

Cristina: Yes, but they're like talking.

Jack: Listen, that what I'm about to tell you is in scripture that is no longer in current day scripture. The blood would then bring to life the sculpture, and I quote, dragging souls into it from a realm unknown.

Cristina: Oh, probably the shadow realm.

Jack: That's what I'm thinking.

Cristina: That's how they're coming through here. Instead of using, like, gates or whatever. I mean, I guess this is before Jesus was making gates.

Jack: This is before Jesus was making gates.

Cristina: They're using golems. Okay, this is crazy. This is crazy that they caused whatever Egypt was doing. Advanced evil technology.

Jack: Well, they were being told it's evil technology.

Cristina: Yes. And then they're calling this normal technology. I don't understand.

Jack: And then they're. They're figuring how to do these things from the voice of God that they can only hear because they've consumed adrenochrome.

Cristina: What are they using these gums or did they explain it?

Jack: Like we're gonna get there?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: As it stands, it looks like they're pulling somehow using ichor. They're somehow dragging things from the shadow realm. That's absolute madness. So as opposed to creatures from the shadow realm coming willingly, depending on fear on this end, or people consuming adrenochrome things and moving over when they die to the shadow realm, we have an actual account for the first time of forcefully bringing something from the shadow realm over.

Cristina: That's pretty crazy.

Jack: Almost like a summoning of a demon of sorts. Which then makes me wonder if all the other accounts of summoning demons, when we have these pentagrams on the ground and we do these little rituals and we pour some blood on the thing isn't essentially doing exactly the same thing. It's a way of dragging things from the shadow realm forcefully. It seems like earthrealm and the shadow realm are so entangled in a sort.

Cristina: Of way that is very strange how we do summon things. Our people do try to summon things from over there. What if you get more control over the thing by giving it a body? I don't get it.

Jack: Interesting, right? Yeah, because this is what we don't have, people summoning anything. As far as we know. We haven't seen them summon anything. We've seen them go through to the other side, usually after death. Or we've got Mount Kaf that allows them to cross over. We have the Jesus Gates that allows them to come through from the other side. We have Soma, which allows them to cross over after death. Presumably just like adrenochrome There are ways, there are methods. Unicorn blood allows you to again accomplish the same thing. The fruits allows you to. The fruit of flesh allows you to do the same exact thing. But it seems after you die, you cross over. Now we have people in earthrealm just somehow bringing these, bringing the things back. Why was this more hidden than anything else we found?

Cristina: Because it sounds crazy. Yeah.

Jack: Why was this harder to find? Why are they suppressing the fact that we could bring. I guess it would be a horrible problem if we started bringing. Should have from over there. Over.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's less problematic if we just die.

Cristina: Their job, though, they bring things into people and then they get rid of those things to scare people. At least the church does that. They do bring demons into people's bodies.

Jack: Yes. And then they catch demon out of exorcism. But the question is, are they bringing the demons into these bodies? For sure, we know that they're making things, which follows what the sea people do. We know Catholicism is basically a sect of the sea people controlling the Christian ideology that spun out of control, but without counting the things that are happening that they're making. Because it's just in their nature to make things and work with science and the occult or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Outside of that. Is a possession from a little girl in some random abandoned village their fault? Or is that just some s*** that went down and we're watching shadow realm creatures get trapped inside physical things. And then because the sea people are very aware, they have these priests and they're like, okay, use what we know and go get rid of it.

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: I think those are two different things. I think monsters and creatures are them making s*** that gets out of control. And I think these possessions are shadow realm creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Getting trapped inside physical beings. I think based on this, we have made a distinction.

Cristina: Yes, I see.

Jack: Because they do go out of their way to get rid of the things that they let escape. I don't think they're making them in order to increase faith. I think there's just too much going on and s*** just gets out of control once in a while.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then they go solve the problem.

Cristina: And yeah, they have the power to do the power.

Jack: They're not scared. But then a demon gets trapped, quote, demon unquote, gets trapped inside of a body. What is that? That's a f****** gin. Trapped inside a mortal body. And so go get rid of it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Just happens casually, somebody particularly scared. Something horrible happens. Usually something horrible happens leading to this.

Cristina: Those are, yeah, very random. Not like this golem Thing where you're actually.

Jack: Well, that's the other side of this. People make rituals. They do diabolical. Well, quote, diabolical things, unquote. And then they get possessed because they bring a demon from the other side. Where's the other side? It's probably the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then you bring this thing and boom, trapped it inside you. Now you're thinking it was gonna help you. No, I just wanted to be over here.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Interesting. Yes.

Jack: What Interesting.

Cristina: The whole golem thing is weird, though. They're just having. But like. Okay, so they pour it on the golem, and then the golem, they want it to come alive or actually comes alive.

Jack: So this ritual is performed every seven years to erect a new golem. And interesting. Usually we come across the Egyptians and the Mayan. In this case, the Greek and the Egyptian, both in different texts, say that they've had their children taken and sacrificed by the Jewish communities for these purposes.

Cristina: For these golems.

Jack: For these golems.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: These are two communities that don't agree.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Egyptian side with the sea people, the creek don't. They're under their thumb.

Cristina: Yeah. They're just trading with them pretty much.

Jack: They're like, we have the obligation to deal with you guys, but we don't like you guys. But then they all agree on this one thing. The Jews are stealing our children and making golems with their f****** blood.

Cristina: That's what they say. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: I found that in both.

Cristina: What?

Jack: So using old Jewish testimonies and accounts, a rabbi named Judah, known as the Maharal, is the guy who made Joseph the golem, the first of them.

Cristina: Okay, what was it for?

Jack: The golem had the ability to make himself invisible. Interesting enough. I don't know what use this is. Just some details. The ability. This is the most freaking important part about this golem's abilities. It had the ability to bring spirits from the dead or a realm unknown.

Cristina: A realm unknown. Okay. What?

Jack: The golem can bring creatures from elsewhere. Now, would you like to know what these are like?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because there's three very different statements.

Cristina: But are those the whole powers. That's it.

Jack: It's just really big, really strong, the usual you'd expect from a golem. And then the special abilities of it can go invisible, and it could bring spirits from the dead or a realm unknown. Okay, now I say dead or realm unknown. The things we find consistently say one or the other, not both. It doesn't say both the dead and a realm unknown.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's like sometimes it's the dead, sometimes it's a realm unknown. Okay, now the spirits. I was like, huh? Huh? Was this some revisiting of some old. Here. The spirits of wild beasts. So it differentiates wild beasts from wolves and monsters. Wild beasts, wolves and monsters. Two kinds of wolves we're familiar with. That come from the Shadow Realm?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah. These are the. The spirits that the golem brings. While the golem is doing its thing, it's surrounded by these twisted, contorted spirits from the other place. Okay, the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: That is interesting. Do they have control of these things?

Jack: I don't know if they have control of them. I just know they could bring them. Chances are there's some. Something about this golem radiates enough fear to manifest these things that rely entirely on fear to come through. I don't know. It doesn't. It's like it doesn't need fear to summon these things that we formerly thought could only come through with fear.

Cristina: Yeah, they're their own type of portal.

Jack: Yes, they. Exactly. The golem itself is an interesting kind of portal of sorts that brings or allows things from the Shadow Realm through.

Cristina: And some of the scariest things, the.

Jack: Scariest, most f***** s***. A windingo, a wetchudge. I don't even care what the f***. The. Well, werewolf is from this side. It's from Earth.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's just the wolf. The adrenochrome. That's already only over here. Yeah, but when Dingo and a wetchudge. That's a f****** nightmare happening. I don't even care what they mean by monsters or what they mean by beasts. You don't get more f***** than a Windingo and a wet judge. The spirit of wolves. Get the f*** out of here. Yeah, that's a problem. So you got this giant golem 15 to 20ft. It could just phase away in front of you. But here's my. Here's my theory about this. What? It could just go invisible? That doesn't check out. That doesn't make sense.

Cristina: What, that a mud thing moves around and can turn it.

Jack: Well, no, let's be clear about what I'm talking about. Things are phasing in from the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: So it's phasing out into the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Into the Shadow Realm. I think they have the way to and from.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense. That's how it's bringing them.

Jack: That's how it's bringing them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, they have a way to and from. We have not found this before. We found ways over there. And Jesus has the portals from over there. Fear usually brings you through.

Cristina: Okay. It's a video game. There's a video game where you go into space and weird stuff happens. But anyway, in this video game, outer world, you go on a rock and it disappears. And wherever it disappears to, you disappear too. Like, is this mud creature like that rock?

Jack: Why would it be like that rock? I don't understand.

Cristina: Like, it has whatever that. That thing is based on real science. That rock?

Jack: Yeah. You're talking about. Not entanglement. Superposition.

Cristina: Yes. Is it possible Golem is like that? Or does it have to be in this reality no matter what?

Jack: Well, yeah. Superposition is a physical world type of thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The shadow realm is not.

Cristina: Okay, never mind. It did remind. I don't know, it just reminded me of that rock.

Jack: But regardless.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It seems to be phasing out. Invisible is how they would describe it because they don't know what's happening.

Cristina: But it's probably just.

Jack: It's probably just popping over there, over there.

Cristina: Like everything else that goes from there to here, it seems like.

Jack: Except it could go from over here over there. Now, let me explain how interesting it is that this was harder to find than most of what I've found. When the point of Jesus being created at all was for what?

Cristina: To go in and out.

Jack: To go in and out. And the Jews found a way to go in and out, at least of the shadow realm. Jesus needs portals to come back.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're not actually using these things to go in and out.

Jack: No, they have a thing that could. Well, the point of Jesus was a thing that itself could go in and out.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Jews have that at least.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To and from the shadow realm. And Jesus, to some degree, there's more than one group accomplishing things here.

Cristina: Very strange. But there's like. It's not like they purposely or they have any clue that this is what's going on.

Jack: We were talking last week about how do we find out the progress that's being made in the shadow realm relative to getting either over here or making it to Elfhame. I think this is insight to that. I think Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark are roughly making the same amount of progress.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: They both have a method that's more or less the same when you think of it, that allows them to go.

Cristina: Through, but they're not using these ways to go through.

Jack: They have things that go through. Yeah, they're still experimenting.

Cristina: They haven't figured it out.

Jack: Which Is the goal. If they already had it figured out, they wouldn't be experimenting to figure it out. It wouldn't make any sense. Obviously, they're running the experiments and they sometimes have things that could do it. Jesus Christ and the golem Joseph have the same more or less abilities. And it seems like Joseph is more successful. What, because he can just phase back in and out?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jesus can't just phase over there. Interesting. He had to die before he could do that. Joseph could just do that. But Joseph is made with dead people.

Cristina: Yes, he made it with. And he's probably not a conscious being. He's more like a zombie. Probably.

Jack: Well, actually, it does express that he's sort of a thinking creature. Why, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. A couple of stories that I didn't list here to discuss were one, that he even falls in love. There are definitely ideas to this being a sentient thinking creature, conscious behavior. Yes. But that being said, Jesus dies, comes back, but he eventually discovers a couple of things. I think he, through the course of science himself, figured out that maybe he can come back and forward. And that's why he can pop up here, pop up there. It's not just teleportation. Locally, he might later in his life, after quote the death unquote, have achieved what Joseph does.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which is go in and out. Yes, go in and out.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: It took some working and he had, luckily the gates built ahead of time. Knowing what would happen. He comes through and then worked longer until he figured it out. And then he can come in now. Come in effortless.

Cristina: Do you know what happens to Joseph? Does he die?

Jack: Well, we'll get there. So we have his abilities and we have the interesting detail that Joseph is probably a creature that can travel through two dimensions.

Cristina: That's insane. I thought he was just a thing going back and forth, but he's not just a thing.

Jack: Yeah, he's a creature thinking.

Cristina: What? That changes everything. That's.

Jack: Well, that makes the next part a little dark. So Joseph would be deactivated every single weekend. The rabbi, not being able to supervise it because he would be attending Sabbath, didn't want Joseph to be acting outside of his supervision. So he came up with an incantation that was performed to restrain the physical being of Joseph. It's speculated that the incantation was performed on a blanket which would cover the golem completely, rendering him inanimate again. But the spirit that was captured inside would stay.

Cristina: Okay, Weird. What?

Jack: I will rephrase. That incantation is essentially, Joseph was given a blanket that's enchanted it's magic.

Cristina: A magic?

Jack: Like a magic blanket. The rabbi figured out how to use magic and used magic to enable. To disable. To disable a spirit from the shadow realm.

Cristina: Did they mention, like, he was giving it. He got that from whatever their God is or.

Jack: There's no explanation as to how the rabbi figured these things out. Okay, there's no explanation, but the assumption is the obvious one. Yes. He's probably being told because he's told, these people are told that the technology of the Egyptians is unholy.

Cristina: Mm. So crazy. With this thing made out of blood and mud.

Jack: It's totally, you know, the righteous path or whatever the f***.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So, yeah. Which sounds more or less like the brainwashing that Jesus went through. Right? Maybe Jesus wasn't brainwashed. He's like, my people f***** me over. F*** them. Who knows what the story there is?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But. Yeah. So the golem would be disabled every weekend, and the spirit would be contained. Now the golem would be disabled in the attic of the synagogue. That's where it was always disabled. And only the successor of the rabbi was allowed in the attic as a result. Now let us go to where this gets weirdly interesting. Like, it's not already.

Cristina: Yeah, I was going to, like, what, what's. Okay.

Jack: In 1883. Long, long, long later. Let me give you some time frames, by the way. Jesus happened year one to year 33. Ish. Right. Okay, great, Sweet. This rabbi is happening in the 15. In. In 1919, in the 1500s.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's still way recent. Way recent by comparison.

Cristina: This was before Jesus time.

Jack: Well, weirdly enough, the information that led to them making the matzo out of the children came from the time of Jesus, apparently was learned and taught by Moses.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And it disappeared into time, presumably because the Knights Templar went on a crazy rampage to erase it from history. And then some scholars, some Jewish scholars uncovered it, and then they connected with God that continued to direct them. So they consumed it after they did the thing, and they started to hear the voice of God, and then he continued to guide them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But in the time of Moses, he was also told that the technology of the Egyptians were unholy. That was put into writing. That's the scripture that was then uncovered, and that is the information that these people have.

Cristina: So Moses didn't have golems.

Jack: Moses does not have golems.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This. The way to create a golem was taught by the voice of God to these newer people. Newer people. While Moses knew how to make the matzo in order to achieve A form of immortality.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Craziness, okay, that's to clarify. So that's the 1500s. The rabbi lives his life. He eventually dies, dies, like 1590 ish. Now it's 1883. Long time has passed. Shortly before the synagogue is renovated, a group of fully robed individuals, it's unknown whether they are men or women, fully robed, top to bottom, visited and stayed for three days and three nights in the synagogue. It was closed off. These people showed up and stayed. People were like, okay, I don't know what the h*** is happening, but they were there for three days, three nights, and then they left the premises.

Cristina: Simple, okay?

Jack: Now the attic of the synagogue has been closed off because of the Golem. It's a holy ground that nobody's allowed to walk into.

Cristina: Okay? They don't use the golem at all.

Jack: The golem hasn't been used. The only people allowed ever up there were the rabbi and his successor. That's it. Nobody else. So following these people leaving and during the renovation, no evidence is found of the Golem. So they don't know. Maybe it was a lie, maybe it was a bullshit. Sorry, whatever the case, yeah, but the three men were followed as they arrived and left with six black boxes, small boxes, you know, maybe. Maybe a foot, a square foot each, and six square boxes. Each one carried two. Three men, three boxes. I mean, six boxes, three nights, three days in the synagogue. They. Nobody knows who the h*** they are. They came, they left. So the men are followed because it's actually some thieves that record this next part because they wanted the boxes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They don't know what the h*** the boxes were, but when the guys arrived, they were watching them. That's why the same reason the thieves never reported to people staying at the synagogue.

Cristina: Okay? Because they were planning, like, maybe this is the best time to.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. So then they follow these people that became of interest to these thieves and they followed them to a place in Ziskov, there's a graveyard. They follow these men to a graveyard in Ziskov where they are then witnessed burying the six boxes. And they bury the boxes in a very specific formation. There are three in a horizontal line, one in the center, two to the sides. Above the one in the center there is one, and below the two, extreme left and right are two more. That's all six boxes, okay? So if you put a horizontal line down the middle, off the top of the center one, you put one, and below the other two you put vertically, and that's all six boxes creating a upside Down y. Of sorts.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that's very strange shape.

Jack: Okay, the last thing we find out about this.

Cristina: What? That is weird. And it's related to the Golem or. No, no one knows.

Jack: No one knows.

Cristina: Why? Why? Have your suspicions?

Jack: Not a clue. I tried to find anything about that.

Cristina: That's the end of that story.

Jack: Nah. The notes of the thieves that were tracking their steps in order to calculate how to rob these guys were found at the graveyard. But the thieves weren't. There's no information.

Cristina: No one tried to find those boxes.

Jack: It looks like they tried, but couldn't find the boxes. Because again, the thieves didn't write down where they don't want anybody to find that they wanted to be the ones. But the thieves themselves can't be found.

Cristina: So he disappeared.

Jack: Yeah, thieves essentially disappeared.

Cristina: Whoa. So they murdered the Golem? Maybe. Question mark. Not murdered. Well, I don't know. It's a thing.

Jack: Well, the Golem is disabled, as far as we know.

Cristina: Yeah, they cut it up in pieces, put it in a box.

Jack: How would they fit it in these small boxes? The golem was 15 to 20ft. They're gonna fit it in six square foot boxes.

Cristina: I don't know. What are these boxes? What could they possibly have put in those boxes?

Jack: I have no idea. It's unclear whether they put anything in the boxes. They showed up with the boxes and then left with the boxes.

Cristina: Mm. But you said the Golem isn't there anymore.

Jack: The Golem has never been seen after it went into the attic for the last time.

Cristina: Okay, so it might still be there.

Jack: They went up there and there was nothing up there during the renovation.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which was roughly 200 years later.

Cristina: Yes. So they were there before the renovations.

Jack: Almost 300 years. Who was there?

Cristina: The six.

Jack: Yes. When the. When the building was closed off for the renovation. Before the renovation began. But the property was already closed up. They showed up. They stayed there for.

Cristina: Maybe it's not. Not the golem parts, but maybe they did break apart the Golem. Like they hid pieces of it in that place, Never actually removing the Golem from there. But hiding the Golem?

Jack: Well, no. The renovation would have found it.

Cristina: Because you can't. Yeah, that's weird. Because it can't be in those boxes. No, but that makes the most obvious or makes sense. It would be. But those boxes are too small.

Jack: Well, I'll give you the conclusion as to what I believe. Not conclusion, but my theory. Because we gotta use what we know. If they went up there and they removed the blanket from the Golem. Then the golem can move again.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The golem doesn't have a master anymore. That guy's been dead for how long? Not serving anybody. So the golem could have just phased out where it's going.

Cristina: Oh yeah. So they just maybe just helped it.

Jack: Maybe help to get out.

Cristina: Get out? Yeah. That's interesting. That's even better.

Jack: What important follow up detail. I believe the three people that showed up. The number three very important. Might have been the Magi.

Cristina: Of course. That's what I was thinking. But I don't get the boxes even if that's true.

Jack: The boxes either.

Cristina: The boxes don't make sense. But I feel like what if they did destroy the golem and it's made out of mud? So like maybe it could fit in those boxes. I don't know.

Jack: It's 15ft of mud.

Cristina: But maybe murdering it trunk it or something. Or maybe the time trunk it. Maybe it wasn't the same size. If it was there for super long.

Jack: Why would they need any of that?

Cristina: Why would they need what?

Jack: Like how. How would this play out? This doesn't make any sense. That's hard speculation without anything to back it up.

Cristina: It's weird that they bury these boxes.

Jack: It is. It totally is. That's very strange. But it's most definitely not the golem in the boxes. That couldn't be the case. How? It doesn't make sense. It makes more sense that they went up there, did some kind of a deal or something. Use some maybe that contained their technology. Whatever technology they used to stop the again. They could control magic. Yeah, they can create magic dampening fields. Maybe the boxes contained whatever they had to stop the golem from leaving. Giving it only the option to phase out. Or yeah. Maybe it just phase out with the body and all. And then wherever it went to the other side, whatever spell or whatever, collapse it so that the body breaks down and it can't come back. Or something. Or something. Theories. But shrinking it into six tiny square foot boxes?

Cristina: No. Like it shrunk over time though.

Jack: Why would that make sense?

Cristina: Because it's made out of mud?

Jack: No, it would just dry out. It would be a giant stone sculpture at this point.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's clay as well.

Cristina: It's clay.

Jack: It's mud.

Cristina: And clay that's not going to make it shrink for a very long time. Like how long was it up there?

Jack: Why would it shrink at all? I don't understand what you. What you think mud is.

Cristina: It's magical mud though. It's not normal mud.

Jack: It's normal mud when it's not alive. It should just be a hard sculpture.

Cristina: The boxes, though.

Jack: The boxes are weird. I know. They are confusing.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we know that they don't literally use magic. They use technology.

Cristina: It's hard to look past those boxes. Especially that they buried it in such a weird way too.

Jack: They did. That was very strange. The whole boxes part is such a freaky mess. I don't understand why this is huge mystery. And then the only people who saw it happen vanished, Disappear.

Cristina: Like, come on. That's very strange.

Jack: What if we assume the maji are being watched for their own safety, then that means the thieves that were plotting on the maji were being watched.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, and then there's just. Okay, let's just get rid of them.

Cristina: Yes. But they kept the records there. Like they could have got rid of them and the work that they were.

Jack: You're right. Or maybe they weren't aware of the records.

Cristina: Why bury the boxes like that? Like they just buried them three by three and it was like, whatever. That's normal. Who cares? But the way they buried it also is just really weird.

Jack: It was almost in the shape of a golem.

Cristina: That's really weird.

Jack: Yeah. It's like the body, the head and the torso, the arms and the legs. Yeah, it's weird.

Cristina: It's very weird. Not telling me. That thing maybe shrink through time and then they just.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense. The shrinking part that doesn't check out.

Cristina: You don't know how.

Jack: My bet is that there is technology in the boxes and they, in those three days created some sort of a field. I do believe that might be the case. This is just thinking of how the sea people work on average. And the maji, being sea people, they go out of their way. They perform this thing to prevent it from leaving. We know it because it's on Mount Athos. They prevent magic. And this is a magical creature?

Cristina: Yeah. Do we have any more stories about not golems, but mud creatures?

Jack: No.

Cristina: No. Because maybe they helped. Maybe they made him smaller before disappearing. Like maybe it is full of parts of the golem, but the golem now looks more human.

Jack: Why and how?

Cristina: I don't know. Shrinking technology is not shrinking, but like, it's a sculpture. They just like rip some parts of it to make it look more normal. So you can just live a normal life when it feels like.

Jack: I understand what you're saying.

Cristina: So piece is still gonna phase here? It's every once in a while.

Jack: Well, not unless they're stopping that from.

Cristina: Making kids or that. Yeah.

Jack: So your idea would be that they created a smaller sculpture that they could fit into the boxes using the already parts of the golem, moved the creature into this smaller sculpture and then dismantled it and put it in the boxes. So we have a 15 foot golem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We then take pieces off while it's disabled. It still has the blanket or whatever. We take out the parts and make a smaller sculpture. Then somehow they move the. The shadow realm creature from inside the golem, Inside the big version of the golem. Into. It's already trapped.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So just move it somehow, using technology or something. They move it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: From one to the other. Now it's in the smaller version. Then they dismantle the smaller version, put it in these boxes, presumably using the same incantation that the blanket has.

Cristina: Probably.

Jack: Or the blanket is inside those boxes too. So you move the creature, you chop the blanket up, wrap each individual part, put each part into each box, wrapped inside of the blanket.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that each part is completely immobile. The boxes are closed. You go to the middle of nowhere, you bury it in this graveyard. And now you have a golem in the graveyard.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. It's all weird. I don't know. It's very weird. So weird. Just the way they bury those boxes.

Jack: Yes. Everything else, as crazy as it is, checks out 100%. With everything else we know. Everything else works. The magic, the blood, the ichor, how they used adrenochrome, the fact that they took children, the Greek and the Egyptians being involved. Everything checks out 100%. The bread, all of it. All of it. All of it. Even, weirdly enough, us seeing the first bringing of something from the shadow realm, whatever, checks out with what we're learning little by little.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yes. A hundred percent. And then we get to these boxes and I don't f****** know.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It just spins out of f****** control.

Cristina: Yeah, Yeah.

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: And that's the only story? Just some thieves.

Jack: That's the only mention of this.

Cristina: Okay. Just some thieves disappears after that.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And so do they. The golem is gone. Keep in mind there have been other golem, but this is the only golem. This is the reason. This is the first golem and the most important golem is because this is the golem with sentience.

Cristina: So the. Wait, what?

Jack: The other golems were essentially machines of some sort. They weren't creatures from the shadow realm, presumably. They were something else.

Cristina: Do you know how they made this one different?

Jack: I Don't know. I don't know. This rabbi was a g. This rabbi did something weird. The steps for all the other golems.

Cristina: Are the same with this one.

Jack: But this one had sentience.

Cristina: That's so crazy.

Jack: This golem took direct direction. It was made with direction from the voice of God. The other golems aren't. So they were cheap imitations.

Cristina: Yes. So that might be something to do with that. Okay. What?

Jack: The ritual was performed, but the voice of God had something specific it wanted to come through. And the stage was set for that to happen. And it worked. None of the other golems are of significance. None of the other. The other golems fall apart over time. They just wither away. The other golems don't have the ability to bring things from the shadow realm. They're just golems. They're what we know of golems.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just golems. This golem, on the other hand, something unique had.

Cristina: It was alive and it could live forever and it could go back and forth. It had everything.

Jack: It had everything. It was something unique.

Cristina: Jesus. It's Jesus, but not.

Jack: It's Jesus. The golem.

Cristina: The golem.

Jack: It was called Joseph.

Cristina: Joseph.

Jack: Which is actually, weirdly enough, the Jewish translation of Jesus. Although we know Jesus real name was Emmanuel. But Joseph. And there's probably something happening there in which Jesus is being called Jesus when we know his name is Emmanuel and the Jewish word for Jesus is Joseph. And this golem was called Joseph.

Cristina: They're somehow based. One is based on the other.

Jack: Joseph is based on Jesus.

Cristina: Yes. He came after. Yes. Okay.

Jack: Long after. 1500 years later.

Cristina: Forgot. He's in the 1500s. So weird.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: What? And have golems been seen in any stories recently, though?

Jack: There are stories of golems everywhere, but all the golems seem to. Although the process is more or less the same, to making them. They're just golems. Golems are just golems.

Cristina: Yeah. Nothing like.

Jack: Nothing like Joseph.

Cristina: The closest thing to Jesus.

Jack: Whoa. Made by the Jews in the 1500s. They had 1500 years to consider what Jesus was and make their own version of it.

Cristina: Well, they weren't doing that. The God. Whatever.

Jack: Yes, yes, exactly. Which we stopped coming in contact with following the birth of Jesus.

Cristina: I thought Jesus was in relation with him, but I guess not.

Jack: No, that's. With who? With the.

Cristina: This evil God probably is. Why would he try to base something off of Jesus, though?

Jack: Maybe Jesus was along for the ride on this one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What has Jesus been doing for the last 1500 years?

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: And let's think about this real quick. Yes, Jesus is born, Mount Kaf disappears, and Jehovah of Dark vanishes all in one. That seems like it's all connected.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, it checks out 100%.

Cristina: Yes. So, okay, Jesus is working with this guy and making another version of him. Jesus 2.0.

Jack: Or trying to figure out how to just bring things from the Shadow Realm over. Jesus can come over.

Cristina: Why do they want to have more come over? Like, what benefit do they get from it?

Jack: Well, they already try to set up a bunch of ways to come over. Tragedies and s***. To get people from this side who take adrenochrome and hear these things to commit tragedies. Intentionally create mass blood loss and horror. Absolutely.

Cristina: Because they enjoy feeding off of it.

Jack: Well, they need it to come through. The blood doesn't make them come through. The fear does. The fear mongering is the media. The fear mongering is these crazy stories and scary. Everything is scary. Oh, the coronavirus, also scary. Threats of war, also scary. Nothing ever happens. But the fear is what's necessary to bring these creatures over.

Cristina: But these creatures are. They're in love with our blood. Like where we get addicted to adrenochrome. They get addicted to our blood.

Jack: Those creatures don't give a s*** about our blood. Only things on this side care about our blood.

Cristina: Oh, okay. We don't have stories about creatures who are just murder for blood. That's not a thing.

Jack: Creatures trying to go to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just things trying to go to the Shadow Realm. Fear brings creatures from the Shadow Realm over.

Cristina: And you don't think they're here drinking blood.

Jack: I mean, it's not giving them a benefit, I suppose. Yes, there's like, for example, Wechuj or a Wendingo is what you're thinking about. That they'll, like, come and ravage somebody. But there's just. It's not even about the blood. They're just killing s***.

Cristina: Yeah, but then what's the point of them coming from there to here if it's not for something?

Jack: I mean, they're probably after the blood, but for no reason. A wechojino and dingo are just creatures addicted to the blood. That's all it is. And they die and cross over, and then they want to get back desperately. Because blood doesn't exist in the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: But why would Jesus want other things to come here?

Jack: Because the Djinn are sentient, thinking, clear minded, Creatures. And just like the Jinn, Jehovah of Dark is a thinking, sentient creature. There are things that think that want to come through that never existed on this side first. They're not after the blood.

Cristina: They just want to be over here.

Jack: There's something over here that they want. But again, we have no way of telling what that is. How would we?

Cristina: Yeah. Unless it has something to do with the other realm that we don't really know anything about.

Jack: Which could all come down to the sea people have something closer than everybody else does. And apparently maybe the Jews do too. That might allow. I still think the sea people might be miles ahead of the Jews. Yeah, which might. Again, I think the goal is ultimately getting into Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes, by any means that makes sense. And if that means crossover and steal the tech from people who are figuring it out, then so be it. Which then might be the original conflict between Jehovah of Light and Jehovah of Dark and all the other gods that do not like Jehovah of Light.

Cristina: It's about stealing that technology.

Jack: Yes. And moving from the palace of Alcaraz in the Persian Gulf oasis to Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean is entirely about avoiding the elves and the gods of this realm and the gods of that realm. It's just. You're not getting to our s***. Our s*** is our s***.

Cristina: This is. Man, I don't know if we're closer to something or not. If we're closer, are we closer? Did we figure it out yet?

Jack: We got more info?

Cristina: Yeah, more info for sure.

Jack: The boxes are confusing. Like, everything checks out. The boxes are weird.

Cristina: The boxes are weird.

Jack: Everything else makes perfect sense. But the boxes are very strange. I don't know what that's about. There's something. There has to be a way to figure out what's up with these boxes. Now I gotta go all the way back and see what history exists between the Egyptians, what they have to say about these boxes, what the Mayans have to say about these boxes, what the Jews have to say about these boxes. They're the only people who know anything about the sea people and the magi or sea people.

Cristina: I want to know what the Jews thought. What was the evil technology? What were they calling evil technology?

Jack: Just referencing the technology of the sea people.

Cristina: But, like, they don't have any examples of that. Anyway.

Jack: I didn't find anything, but I can look harder, try to see if there's some mention of specifically what they're talking about. But I think it was a general statement as to the sea people defy God's way by following the path of technology, essentially.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think that's the general idea. I don't think there's more depth to it. I think it's like the usual argument of technology versus nature. I'm God, I am nature. And technology violates the usual. Science is evil because God is better. I think that's the argument. I don't think it's like that specific technology. I think it's just f*** technology because God said so.

Cristina: Well, what are these golem things? They're not technology.

Jack: It's magic. It's magic or it's not even magic. What's stopping it is magic. Then again, what's containing it? I don't understand. I don't. I don't. I don't understand. It's really complicated. The argument would be, yes, it's technology. It's technology using a combination of magic and power and science, which is all three realms which I feel like Earth realm of science. Elfame, the fairy realm of magic, the shadow realm of power. It's using of all three.

Cristina: Somehow the Egyptians had to have been doing something similar. No way. There has been.

Jack: It wouldn't make sense that the Egyptians are doing something and then the Jews are like, nah, that's horrible. Let's do it ourselves. That doesn't make any sense. For that, they should have just infiltrated the existing system and stolen that. Okay, but they leave and come up with a different way.

Cristina: Yeah, but if there is any stories, you should still check to see if there's.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, I'll look into it and.

Cristina: See if I can find anything, because maybe there's not. But it'd be very interesting if there's at least.

Jack: Yeah, I gotta look through all of these things just to answer any questions we haven't been able to answer. So it is what it is. If it's there, I'll stumble upon it. Yes, but that's what we got.

Cristina: That is so disturbing.

Jack: Golems.

Cristina: Golems from a statue in Switzerland?

Jack: Yep. Well, presumably that statue itself is a golem.

Cristina: Golem dressed up as Santa.

Jack: Jewish golem eating children.

Cristina: So horrible. Why. Why did someone want to share this story?

Jack: And it's unknown who funded this either. This is just put in plain sight. Nobody knows who paid for this.

Cristina: I mean, it's nowhere near this church or anything. Right. That'd be crazy. Yeah, that's true. Is there anything near the statue that.

Jack: Nope, I looked.

Cristina: Any churches?

Jack: No, no, nothing important. Nothing relative.

Cristina: Okay. It's just so random too.

Jack: The location, I think that was intentional. I think it's about putting it somewhere that it's hard to connect to the bigger picture so that it stands the test of time.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa.

Jack: Anyways, that's what we got disturbing. So if you guys want to hear about all other things relative to this crazy a** story that keeps unfolding for all of anything, you guys can message us about it. Anything you find when you do that, hit us up on our socials. Twitter now x Facebook, Instagram, tick tock@justconvopod.

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Jack: Show and word of mouth is important. Tell people that we are uncovering truth. The dark truths of everything that Jewish people have sacrificial things to make matzos and then eat that and then pour their blood over clay statues to then make golems.

Cristina: Whoa. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing further though. Thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

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August 05, 2023

Rambling 237: Elfame

August 05, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How does magic factor into the realms? Where do fairies come from? Why does mount Athos have a barrier to magic? The duo unpack magic and it’s source and finally have a breakthrough that could explain the true intentions of the Sea People, the Garden of Eden and more!

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Topics Discussed:

Magic
Fairies
Elfame
Mab the Queen of Elfame
Elves
Oros
Naga
The Serpent
Sea People
Advanced Technology
Mount Athos

Episode Conclusions:

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: Your memory host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. As everybody who's listened to this show consistently. No. We've been following a huge narrative and like, overturning every stone we can find adjacent to that. Anybody who's just arrived and has never heard any of our previous episodes, you should probably listen to the last maybe 10 to 15 episodes and like, catch up on what's been happening because it's maddening. But ultimately we've been figuring out that everything in all of time seems to connect mainly through religion. All the religions seem to be associated and be working together for some huge kind of COVID up. And not just a cover up. There's a lot of association between different things. There's a lot of powers at the adrenochromes and ways to cross into the shadow realm that shows itself everywhere. And civilizations that are highly advanced and we call gods, but are simply technologically advanced. But anyways, catch up. One important problem we keep coming across is the reason for people needing to contact the shadow realm or go there. And the most recent question we've been asking is, what the h***? Where does a unicorn come from? What are the fairies? Is the unicorn a fairy?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: And are the fruits technology? And if they're not technology, the fruits in the Garden of Eden, are they technology? Like Adam and Eve? And if they are not, are they magic? Better question, are they magic? Technology? Or in other words, technology based on magic?

Cristina: No, there's no magic. It's gotta be technology.

Jack: Then what is a fairy tale? Because we know that the gods of the mortal world themselves used to be mortal and have simply, through technological advancement over millions of years, escaped that mortality.

Cristina: So you're saying the fairies might actually be.

Jack: I'm saying the fairies might actually be magic. We know the shadow realm is something else.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Some form of actual power.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But in Earth Realm it doesn't seem to be such a thing. Every time you dig deep enough, it just seems to be technology.

Cristina: Yeah. And these so called magical beings don't really have magic themselves. Like if you were to see them, you'd say, oh, that's like from a fantasy. Werewolf, whatever. But like there's nothing magical about these creatures they're murdering, which is in normal.

Jack: Ways, you know, and it's like even when there is something that might seem like Magic. There's a real biological thing happening, and it's being affected by power. Not magic from the shadow realm, specifically. Yeah, Just direct connection. And it's biological and scientific. You could calculate its effects. You could replicate it, which puts it in the realm of power. Because of science or biology? Well, I guess biology is science. It's science from a different realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But it doesn't seem to work that way with fairies. They seem to easily traverse without the need for these things that affect them biologically. They just have the ability to do it.

Cristina: So you think unicorns are fairies?

Jack: I do truly believe unicorns are fairies simply because they have this ability to just show up. The only other things we know that have the ability to just show up seem to be fairies. Now, this requires a pretty deep dive, but, oh, f****** boy. Did the deep dive payoff deep diving.

Cristina: Into unicorns and fairies or some whole.

Jack: Other thing into unicorns and fairies.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: So the main question about fairies is if they can jump from Earth realm to the shadow realm effortlessly. But the beings of the shadow realm have rules to cross, and the beams of Earth realm have rules to cross. They cannot be from either. It doesn't make any sense. At least that is the assumption I'm making. Well, following that assumption paid off. Let us open some of these doors. So, first, fairies exist in every single culture that has ever existed. Without exception. Without exception, without exception. Anywhere you look, they have mentions of fairies.

Cristina: You look throughout the world.

Jack: I looked at anything and everything I could find, and everybody has a mention for fairies. And we're not just talking cultures outside of religion. We're talking within every single religion you look, there are mentions of fairies, and they are never mentioned along God as one of the angels, as one of his. Their demigods is one of a deity. No, they're different.

Cristina: They're different. So the Bible, you're saying, also has.

Jack: The Bible as well? I mean, specifically, when we're talking about St. Patrick, he encounters fairies.

Cristina: Yes, but he's outside the Bible.

Jack: Yeah, but in. Within religion. Within religion specifically. I guess biblical text is more specific. But within religion.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Fairies seem to be everywhere. Now, not only do fairies seem to be everywhere, but they seem to show up simultaneously in all cultures around the very specific point, which happens to be about a hundred B.C.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's where mentions. Now, here's the weirdest part.

Cristina: What?

Jack: The mentions of fairies happened globally around this point. It wasn't like it just showed up here. These people mentioned it roughly around the same week that those people mentioned it.

Cristina: And what what was the timeline again?

Jack: About 100 B.C.100 B.C.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Everywhere. People who could not have crossed the Earth in this amount of time knew about fairies within the same year.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What, so fairies just showed up everywhere, all at once? Fascinating.

Cristina: That is.

Jack: Every culture, every religion believes in them. They are not angels. They are not associated with any of that.

Cristina: Do you have any idea of why they showed up at that time?

Jack: Cannot tell you why.

Cristina: What do they want?

Jack: Do not know. Now, although all cultures and religions seem to have a shadow realm equivalent, the fairies are, in all instances, not connected to that place either. They are never mentioned as associated with those places.

Cristina: Is there a place they are associated with them?

Jack: We will get there. They are not part of Earthrealm. They are not part of the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And an interesting aspect is that they are always specifically close to certain beings.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: I notice this pattern immediately, and you'll notice it, too, as I go down this list of just fairies, different kinds of fairies. So gnomes are fairies, goblins are fairies, elves are fairies. Nymphs are another word for elves. I did not know this.

Cristina: Nymphs. Okay.

Jack: Trolls are fairies. Leprechauns are fairies. We know. That's the obvious one. Along with pixies. Yeah, leprechauns. Unicorns aren't mentioned in any culture as fairies. But interesting enough, they're always mentioned where fairies happen to be.

Cristina: Okay, so these two beings might come from the same place.

Jack: They might come from the same place.

Cristina: If unicorns are not fairies, they're at least adjacent.

Jack: Yeah, very adjacent. Very important thing to mention. Now, elves and nymphs are the same thing. This is very exaggeratedly important because in Norse mythology, elves are where?

Cristina: I don't remember.

Jack: They're in Asgard, in a continent next to Asgard. They're up there in Asgard, as part of Asgard, in a continent next to Valhalla. There you go.

Cristina: That's important.

Jack: That's important, because. What are nymphs? Nymphs are just elves. Who uses that word? The Norse. And where are the nymphs? I mean. Yeah, the. The. My bad. Not the. The Greek use the word nymphs, and the Norse use the word elves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the nymphs hang out in Olympus with the gods. A pattern, random pattern. Both times the same creatures hanging out with the gods, but they themselves aren't gods. They're treated like gods. So, okay, I dive into elves. What's up? Elves? Why are you hanging out with the gods all the time? Come to find out, in every single culture, Elves have one very specific function. They reign over the natural forces. Mountains and rivers and oceans, all of those things. They keep natural order.

Cristina: Okay, so they are gods. They are gods.

Jack: Sort of. I suppose, if you want to call them that. Some people call them spirits, but again, they're just almost humanoid beings who just, like gods, do the thing or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, following nymphs and elves and all the different variants, they got same thing, different names. One thing keeps popping up. If you try to find out what the h*** they are, there's something called Elfame. Elfhame. I had no idea what Elfame was. And it was vague. It was mentioned over and over in different languages. But you look at what it means, and the word comes as Elfame. I'm like, what the h*** is Elfame? No matter where you go, you bring it back, and it's just Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And weirdly enough, in a lot of different languages, it's the same word. It's almost like hallelujah.

Cristina: And that's just. And that's just another word for elves.

Jack: No. So I had no idea what this was, and I had to dig pretty hard to sort of figure this out. Right. So Elfame seems to be directly connected to the elves and specifically to be the source of where their power comes from.

Cristina: Where their power comes from.

Jack: Where their power comes from. So Elfhame is some sort of thing. And one of these. The weirdest part about Elfhame is that it's mentioned in every culture and every religion, but mentioned differently everywhere, so that everybody has a separate piece. Weirdly enough, We've seen this before.

Cristina: We have.

Jack: With the sea people. Pieces everywhere.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But no whole picture. You need all the separate pieces to build sort of a puzzle.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And when you put the pieces together, you get an interesting word or phrase. Let's call it.

Cristina: Okay, what is it?

Jack: The realm of Elfhame.

Cristina: What does that mean? That means they come from a place, too.

Jack: They come from a place called Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yes. And Elfame. When you then find what the realm of Elfane means, the most common, weirdly enough and stupid name, is Fairyland.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Fairyland.

Cristina: They're gonna say magic land, but okay, close enough.

Jack: Fairyland. Now, you look into Elfame, the realm of Elfame, and you immediately get one thing that just sticks way out. The name Mab. And when you follow the name Mab to a source, you get the queen of Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The highest power within Elfhame, the creator of everything within Elfame. Okay, fantastic. Now we're getting somewhere. We have a place and we have.

Cristina: A person who made it, who made everything in there. Okay.

Jack: All of the. I don't know if she made it. I know she's from there and she made everything in there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Was she a product of Elfame or did she make Elfim? Don't know.

Cristina: Who knows? She might have came from here and then.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who knows?

Jack: Who knows? Now described as the greatest of gods in Elfhame. And then the God of gods. Fascinating. So, stones getting turned over, things to note that immediately showed up. Elfame not only created all things, but through logical breakdown, everything must be removed from by one relative to her.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: We'll revisit that sentence in a bit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Elves come from Elame. Elves are the human equivalent of Elaine.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're people. Yeah, totally just people. Now, elves like the humans of Earthrealm or the Djinn of the Shadow Realm, come below the God. Right. Elves in the human world, Earth Realm, or the Djinn world, the Shadow Realm, even if they are the human equivalent, are about as powerful, slightly more than the gods of those respective realms.

Cristina: Okay. I mean, the oath are equal to our gods pretty much.

Jack: And to the gods of the Djinn. Very important sentence I found there. They are equal to the gods of the shadow realm. Thus confirming gods in the shadow realm. That's no longer a theory. Because when you're looking at Elfham, it particularly mentions the Shadow realm and actually refers to the elf to Earthrealm as Earthrealm. It differentiates and usually mentions three locations. It's not like Norse mythology that it mentions a bunch of different locations.

Cristina: Okay. Interesting.

Jack: So this actually brings up something we can. We came across in the last couple of weeks. Asgard and Midgard and Helheim. The fact that you can physically traverse these locations tells you calling them realms is incorrect. Those are physical destinations you can reach. Yeah, just like Olympus. You could just climb to the top. Those aren't other realms. Those aren't heavens. It's a place you could just go to as a normal mortal. If they weren't stopping you by force. Just places. According to Elfame and Mav, there are only three. Only three realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Earth Realm, the realm of Elfame and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: And Mab is God again.

Jack: Mab is the God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So now we have to assume that there is no God as powerful as Mab. It's Mab on top, elves and the gods of the other realms. And then the Djinn and us. Fascinating.

Cristina: How is he much stronger? I don't understand.

Jack: Well, let's go down. What I found of Alphane. Alphane. The realm of the fairies God named Mab. The source of magic in all realms.

Cristina: Come over there.

Jack: What?

Cristina: It comes from there.

Jack: Comes from there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Flows out of Elfame into the other realms. Which actually sides kind of perfectly with things that the Norse suggest. There's a flow in one direction.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This one was very weird. How it showed up twice. And they used very similar language. All other realms orbit Elfame. Similar to how the planets orbit the sun and similar to how the sun orbits the black hole.

Cristina: What's that supposed to mean? I don't get it.

Jack: I don't understand how realms orbit. That's a confusing thought in general. But it showed up twice. This was written a hundred years BC.

Cristina: And we are orbiting them.

Jack: We are orbiting them. I don't know what that means. Because it's a realm. How do realms orbit?

Cristina: Yeah. Weird. Okay.

Jack: Now here is where things start to make more sense. Mab sends elves to the greatest civilizations of every realm to watch over and moderate the power of those beings over lesser beings.

Cristina: What she has.

Jack: She sends elves to the most powerful civilizations of. Of other realms to watch over and moderate their power over lesser beings.

Cristina: So she has some in the Shadow Realm.

Jack: So she has some in the Shadow Realm. This is gonna get way weirder as we keep going.

Cristina: This is pretty weird.

Jack: It's pretty weird. Now we're just deep diving in the magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So let's literally deep dive in the magic. Things I found out about magic. So magic can be used in other realms through many different ways. Incantations, material rituals, symbolic movements. Which is weird. I've never thought about that. But that's essentially what waving a wand is. I guess magic can be contained in other realms. This immediately made me think of three objects.

Cristina: Are they? I don't know.

Jack: Man. You exist. Lost the apples, obviously.

Cristina: Oh, well, I thought we weren't sure if those were objects. Like what exactly?

Jack: Well, we don't. We don't know. But that's. It made me think of those. That's all I said. It made me think of three objects. Runes, hexes and curses are all examples of containing magic within one of the realms. That is not Alphane. The flow happens. And you can trap the flow or not the flow we can trap what came in.

Cristina: Are just elves able to use this or we're using these. Two people are using these.

Jack: So actually I tried to establish that and it's incredibly unclear. It seems like the methods to using magic seem universal. Like the elves would contain the magic which is established. All beings of Elfame have magic Inherently within them. But then who's using these things? It's not established who's using these things, but if all the creatures of Elfame already have magic, they wouldn't need these things. They are magic themselves. So presumably these are all ways for the inhabitants of other realms to then use magic. Which, in thinking about runes and hexes and curses, it immediately makes me think of what we've called the gods and we found out are just really advanced creatures. They have not only mastered the sciences of our realm, but have learned how to literally use the magic of Elfhame.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To move farther. Now the picture is getting more complete.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Starting to understand. Little. Little more.

Cristina: And she's not using anything that could be similar to Adam and Eve.

Jack: No, no, she can. She's the actual epitome of what everybody else calls themselves, as when there's claiming to be a God, she can just manifest things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, things about magic. Magic can be used to move things between realms. So not only can the creatures of Alfeim seamlessly traverse between realms, but you can use the magic of Alphane to move things between realms. Basically, creatures within the other realms can use all the abilities that fairies have.

Cristina: Okay, so using the unicorns to do it.

Jack: Using the unicorns to move between realms.

Cristina: Unless there's stories of them using portals.

Jack: Without having fairies, the Elfame do not need portals. They can just move effortlessly between realms.

Cristina: Yeah, but I mean, like the sea people, when they went through portals, they always had unicorns.

Jack: So it seems to be the case that unicorns are exclusive to Mount Athos. And it doesn't seem that they necessarily use them to. As far as we know, because we don't really know what's happening at the very top of Mount Athos. We just know they come down, they trade, they interact. And we know the merry went up and poof, vanished. We also know that the sea people have highly advanced technologies. And we can surmise portal technology because they were moving instantaneously between Cyprus and Athos.

Cristina: Okay. Do you think they're using their portal technology, the portal technology?

Jack: Probably not taking them into any other place. I think it's just staying here. I think it's their way in and out of actual tech. It's. I think it's actual tech.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Hauntings are a way to attach a shadow realm being to an earthrealm anchor. That clarifies a lot.

Cristina: And who's trying to do that? This release. That part doesn't relate to the elves, does it? Are the elves doing that?

Jack: Anybody who can wield Magic can do that. It's a matter who's doing it. Anybody who's using magic to any degree, whether it's an elf who is magic or a person who discovered magic and.

Cristina: Is using it, just attached a fairy.

Jack: I mean, you can attach a Shadow Realm being to an Earth Realm anchor.

Cristina: That's crazy. Okay, this explains a lot.

Jack: Magic potions can move Earth Realm things into the Shadow Realm. Potion is just anything that you consume, which again, gives us a very specific thing. An apple, Something you can't consume.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Magic can alter states within other realms.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: You can change structure, you can change physicality, you can violate the rules of nature. This gives us a couple of things. It says it could grant youth and it could literally end mortality. But also you can alter natural states of things that exist within the the realms. Rivers, mountains, Specifically mountains is the one that stands out because Mount Athos. Only until the top are no abilities capable of taking place, which means creatures were in fact or people were in fact using magic. And they get to Mount Athos and it just ceases to exist. So there's a barrier there that has been altered. And it seems like this mountain particularly was altered, perhaps by fairies themselves, to remove the ability for there to be magic there. There is something special about Mount Athos that is different to every other mountain. And the sea people have capitalized on that. I do not understand how and I do not understand why, but there is something about this mountain, in particular the sea people.

Cristina: And the fairies.

Jack: And the fairies. The fairies canceled out magic until the summit.

Cristina: That is so weird. What could that be about?

Jack: I do not know. It is very strange. Now, beings of Elfame, beings of elf fame, are generally considered more powerful than beings of the other realms which I established. Elves in Asgard, equal to the humans of Earth, but as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Because they're just humans. They're just the humans of Elfame. They're equivalent to humans, except they're as powerful as the gods. Now, the gods were once human.

Cristina: The gods in our realm, okay, they.

Jack: Were just maybe not necessarily human. That's probably a violation of logic. But like, they were an intelligent humanoid civilization that became highly advanced and discovered the magics of Elfane on top of mastered the technologies of earthrealm.

Cristina: They mostly, most likely came from Earth.

Jack: Yeah, it seems like everything that we have on this side came from Earth because they still need all these other things. They require all these other things. A good breakdown is to say power exists in the Shadow Realm, magic exists in the Realm of Elfane and Earthrealm has science. These are the ways that you advance through all of them. And we understand how to move from Earth realm to the shadow realm. And with enough time and experimentation using our sciences, we can figure out how to cross. And the same way the creatures in the shadow realm, using their power ability, have found a way to cross. But it seems like from either realm, there's no way into the fairy realm. There must be.

Cristina: So you found nothing with the shadow realm and fairy realm?

Jack: Yeah, there's nothing crossing into the fairy realm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There's nothing entering the fairy realm, as far as I know. And I was looking, it seems like entirely flows outwards. The only beings who can get there are the fairies, as far as I know. So elves in Asgard that are technically equal to the humans are as powerful as the gods of Asgard. Nymphs in Greece, equal to the humans of earthrealm, but as powerful as the gods of Olympus. So at all points, they are as powerful as the most advanced civilizations that have existed merely through magic ability. They're casually stronger than everything. Second, the elves are stronger than every other. Or more magical is a way to put this. They're more magical than every other fairy within Elfame. The elves are the pinnacle of magic.

Cristina: The elm.

Jack: Yes. There's nothing more magical than an elf.

Cristina: So there's other things.

Jack: There's a bunch of other things. I listed them at the beginning.

Cristina: They're not elves.

Jack: They're not elves. They're all fairies. Elves are also fairies and elves are fairies.

Cristina: Okay. And what's her name?

Jack: Mab.

Cristina: Mab. Is she an elf? Is she a fairy? Is she something else?

Jack: She's a God.

Cristina: She's a God.

Jack: She's a God. She's literally God. She's God of seemingly everything. She's. She's by no other definition, just purely God.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So beings of Elfame, in every mythology and belief system seem to preside and maintain the balance and control of the map and the natural order of all the realms. Mainly rivers, forests, oceans, caves, and primarily mountains.

Cristina: Mountains, okay, Mountains.

Jack: Elves focus primarily on mountains. The most advanced civilizations station themselves on mountains.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: With the only exception being the most advanced of civilizations, the sea people, who opted into the polar opposite.

Cristina: Mountains feel like the point where every realm can meet at whether it's the shadow, Earth or Elfhame. Like you'd have all three meeting up on that mountain.

Jack: I was actually assuming the same thing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I had the same conclusion that especially when you consider that the Shadow Realm and EarthRealm are mirror versions of one another. That even if everything is twisted between the two points, the top of a mountain is still the top of a mountain in both.

Cristina: Wait, how? Like for the fairy? Is it also Amera? Or is it a whole different thing.

Jack: A whole different place? Okay, there's no.

Cristina: Well, it's not established because no one's ever been there.

Jack: Okay, now no one's ever been there. It's completely vague.

Cristina: It could be exactly the same. We had no idea.

Jack: But based on Mount Kaath, we know that the top of a mountain literally connects the Earth Realm and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: See, People hit it. But that doesn't change the fact that it was literally a focal point where you could cross over. It was a literal gate. And other mountains seem to have some. Some reason that the most advanced civilizations stationed themselves on top of them. And when you don't have a mountain, you make a. What?

Cristina: You don't have a mountain, you make a sea base? I don't know.

Jack: No, you make a pyramid, you.

Cristina: Wait, what?

Jack: When you don't have a mountain, you make a pyramid. Interesting. What is a pyramid if not a man made mountain? Fascinating. Who gave people the technology to make the pyramids? The sea people. The sea people went where under the ocean? They have the ability to build a mountain underneath the ocean. They don't need a mountain. They can just make it. They get how to create the same point that allows the magic of mountains to happen somehow. And from whatever mountain they have that down there, they connect directly to Athos.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: Where are Jesus gates mostly found at?

Cristina: I feel like mountains.

Jack: Mountains. The answer to mountains. They are a focal point between all realms seemingly.

Cristina: That makes sense. And also all of them would be attracted to mountains because there's plants, magical plants growing on those mountains as well.

Jack: There's magical plans.

Cristina: Magic is literally coming out of those portals because of what's going on there.

Jack: Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Literal magic like focal points.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's why the elves focus on these points. The gods are going to chill on a mountain. Well, we got to make sure we keep them in check. Do the elves? So now let us talk about Mab for a bit. Mab made everything. We do not know where Mab came from. There's no explanation. We just know not everything here.

Cristina: Just everything there.

Jack: Mab made everything. And we do not know where Mab came from. Mab could have always been. She seems to be the ultimate version of God. I suppose in theory, Infinitely Being could be a state. But Mab could have been brought into existence. Meaning there's Some hierarchy around her we don't understand. But Mab had three initial creations.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they're called the Nams in some religions. They're called the Fates in other religions. And they serve a very basic purpose. They are three female deities given powers above the elves, but below Mab.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The three are Calatho, Varandi, and Itsutsuya. And they all have very specific purposes.

Cristina: Is it similar to some raffles?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But. Interesting comparison. Interesting way to. Because there are three. But the first one made was Clatho. And Clatho is responsible for providing life into the realms. She delivers the life directly into the womb.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Verandi is responsible for delivering the purpose into these lives.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And Itsatsuya is responsible for ending those lives.

Cristina: Ending those lives was what, man? What if Adam and Eve are based on that? And maybe what was the other one? The first. What was the first one that Adam, Eve and.

Jack: And Lilith.

Cristina: Lilith, yes. What if Lilith was a machine, too?

Jack: Well, we know that's wrong because Lilith used Adam.

Cristina: We know she was the first to be used with Adam. What if she's Death? But then why would death come first?

Jack: No, it doesn't make any sense. Unless we're using, like, some supernatural kind of. Then again, they do a lot of homework, too. But it could be that death came before all things.

Cristina: That's what I was going to say.

Jack: But here the suggestion is that death and life happen simultaneously. So that also checks out to some degree. But no, because we know that Adam and Eve are within our realm and used by Jehovah. That wouldn't be possible if they're so superior that they're stronger than the elves that would be presiding over Jehovah.

Cristina: No, but they could. I guess that would be just based on what these guys are doing then.

Jack: Well, presumably just everywhere else. They're trying to create life the same way that these goddesses were capable of doing. Okay, but now, sticking to what you've just tried to conclude and failed to conclude, there's one very, very, very interesting thing. Although Mab had three first creations, there is something that Mab has referred to as her greatest creation. We introduce Oros.

Cristina: What does Oros do?

Jack: Well, wrong question. What is Oros?

Cristina: Is where you should have come from? I don't know, because I would just assume it's a fairy, too. I don't know. Okay, what is it?

Jack: Maybe, I guess everything from elfing is considered a fairy.

Cristina: Okay, what makes it different? What is it?

Jack: Well, let me tell you. Oros is referred to as the great Cosmic Serpent.

Cristina: Okay, that Sounds familiar.

Jack: There's a very. I immediately think of Norse mythology. Yes, but no. Small potatoes. Small potatoes. Elfame is guardian of all elves within all civilizations of power. Elfhame watches over the elves.

Cristina: What is elf? Isn't Elfhame the name of the place?

Jack: I mean, not Elfhame. Oros watches over the elves.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros watches over the elves in all the civilizations that have great power that the elves are watching over. So the elves watch over the civilizations that the three goddesses deliver life to from the beginning before they're advanced. The three goddesses make the primitive life that evolves into this highly complicated life that then the elves watch over.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oroz watches over the elves.

Cristina: Okay. That's why there's one snake around us and one snake with the garden.

Jack: Well, yes, you're definitely piecing it together the right way. Weirdly enough, Oros exists simultaneously within all realms and encircling the entire universe.

Cristina: So there's.

Jack: Oros is in more places than Mab. Oros is everywhere. Mab is just an elephant.

Cristina: Okay, so he's not the snake from the garden. Because if that happens to be the case, then are they also. Did they create a realm?

Jack: Well, let me then tell you the next most important piece of this puzzle that 100% answers. A lot. A lot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oros is the father of the Naga. The Naga are a serpent race that are distributed one per highly advanced civilization to be part of and assist as required within these civilizations, unlike the elves that watch over the Naga, have one single member of their tribe in each highly advanced civilization, thus answering who the serpent is in the garden.

Cristina: So that means they're in a different. There's another realm. It's a fake realm.

Jack: It's doesn't have. It doesn't have to be a realm. It doesn't. There's nothing about it making a realm. The serpent gets sent to assist.

Cristina: Oh, okay. So it's. So. So, okay.

Jack: There is a God fairy assisting every major civilization in different ways.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting enough, there are three very distinct examples of this. We have the serpent assisting in the garden.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: We have the serpent watching over all of the realms in Norse mythology. And we have the serpent punishing people in Greek mythology.

Cristina: Is the serpent punishing people?

Jack: Medusa. Oh, they're all just fairies approaching differently. They're all doing exactly the same thing, though.

Cristina: What is Matsud? Medusa. How?

Jack: While the serpent watches around the realms because the gods, the most advanced civilizations of the Norse ideology, are also watching around. The Greek gods aren't watching s***. They're ruthless. Monsters that go around destroying whatever the f*** they come across. So what is Medusa doing? She's also going around destroying whatever the f*** she comes across. While the gods of Christianity are doing what they're creating, they're building. So the serpent is doing what? It's building, it's creating. It's always aligned with. With whatever the strongest civilization is doing. And it's partaking equally. It's there to assist purely.

Cristina: Oh, snap. Okay. Interesting. That is weird. That is so weird. What? What?

Jack: Fascinating. No.

Cristina: Yes, that makes sense.

Jack: In every case it looks very different, so you'd never conflate them. Yeah, but if you just think of what the gods, quote gods unquote in each one of these scenarios is doing, then the serpent is ultimately doing the same thing. In every scenario, the Asgardian gods are detached or watching from a distance. So the snake is doing what? It's detached, it's watching from a distance.

Cristina: Do we have any snakes in the Shadow Realm that we know about? Do you remember?

Jack: There's no way. I don't know. I have no idea. We can only. We only have the rel. We'd have to somehow get religious texts from the Shadow Realm. And that seems impossible.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: But there's some very consistent themes happening here. Every civilization has the elves. Every civilization has the serpents. The serpents are all son of Oros.

Cristina: And these three gods, mini gods, whatever. The goddesses. Where. Where are they? Are they just in the fairy place?

Jack: That is unclear. That is entirely unclear. I haven't the slightest clue. Okay, we don't know where those gods are. We don't know if Elfame. Not Elfame, if Mab ever leaves. Elfame. Okay, we don't know if her three goddesses leave Elfhame. We know that Oros does. But Oros is everywhere.

Cristina: So he's not leaving.

Jack: Yeah, he's not. He's not leaving. He just kind of is.

Cristina: He just is. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And then he is the father of.

Cristina: The Naga, which are everywhere.

Jack: One her advanced, highly developed God like civilization. Okay, so presumably he gives birth to a new one. When a civilization reaches a certain point and is there to assist objectively. Doesn't seem to bother Naga. It doesn't seem to bother Elfame. Doesn't seem to bother the goddesses. Just there to assist. However the civilization requires.

Cristina: That is so crazy.

Jack: But why? But why? Especially with Naga, the Naga. What are the Naga doing? Why?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Why are they assisting?

Cristina: Besides that. They were made for that.

Jack: Why were they made for that? What's. Okay, then that's let's ignore the Naga. Their purpose is to do this. Why did Oros make them for that? Also, is Oros short for Ouroboros? Maybe all encompassing snake.

Cristina: Yeah, okay, just.

Jack: Just a thought. I don't know. Didn't say anything about that. That's just me spitballing out here.

Cristina: Huh? But why?

Jack: But why?

Cristina: But why?

Jack: Mab makes absolute sense. God makes stuff. Yeah, fine, great. Sweet.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Everybody else we know is trying to imitate Map.

Cristina: Yes, sweet.

Jack: Fantastic. If we follow the logic we've established a long time ago and there's gods trying to reach the bigger God, pinnacle. Their entire goal is to become map or conquer. Map or enter the fairy realm. Who the h***.

Cristina: Something like that.

Jack: Something like that. We have a direction to look now. And Mab makes goddesses. Right. Okay, this is totally on point with what we would understand. Yeah, checks out.

Cristina: All that makes sense.

Jack: All of it makes sense. Civilization within Elfame totally makes perfect sense. And creating elves to watch over other civilizations totally makes absolute sense. Yes. They're not interfering, they're watching over. Don't get too powerful. Don't harm the little people. Fantastic. Great. So if you created the elves to do this, and then you go out of your way and make Oros, and then Oros decides to make Medusa. Yeah, definitely.

Cristina: Then the God wasn't planning on him doing that. Like, she probably didn't seem to care. Yeah, when she made him, that wasn't part of her plan.

Jack: I'm saying that means something would exist outside of her plan. And then we're back to the whole she can't be with the God of gods. Well, okay, so being the God of.

Cristina: Gods, this has to be part of her plan.

Jack: Does there need to be a plan?

Cristina: Oh, yes.

Jack: I don't know this very Christian of you. Yeah, yeah, but does there need. I don't think there needs to be a plan. My point is, like, why isn't there a conflict of interest here? You make the elves to watch over to make sure they don't. Or is it. Or is it to keep a check on their power? To what? Yeah, the elves watching over the most advanced civilizations is entirely to keep a check on their power. So even if Oros makes the Naga, the Naga aren't stronger than the elves, even if Oroz is. Okay, so that. Yeah, sure, you might help in any manner, shape or form, but the elves are preventing them from ever getting powerful enough to either enter Elfhame or overthrow one of the goddesses. Or overthrow Mabs.

Cristina: There's too many questions. I don't know it's so confusing. I don't know. There's so much happening. Whoa. So many new rules. But it fits.

Jack: It fits. Everything is connecting somehow.

Cristina: I just don't get it. What? Why? That is a good question. Why?

Jack: Why? Why Oros? Why is Oros doing it? If the elves exist again, it could just be. Theoretically, if we were to put this into perspective, it could really be that the elves are there as a cap to the most advanced civilizations. Because we know that these advanced civilizations are trying to establish something and they're sitting on top of mountains, which gives us a clear suggestion. If mountains are the cross through realms. They're probably in every instance trying to get to the fairy realm. But there's some. Some pieces missing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That allows them to understand how to do so. And they can cross. They figured out how to cross between at least EarthRealm and the Shadow Realm. There's many different rules and many different abilities to do so. And they've managed to confine magic in ways to wield it and use it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But never bridge gap to Elfame.

Cristina: It's probably not possible. You think it's possible?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know.

Cristina: But you think if it is possible, these elves are stopping that from happening.

Jack: These elves are probably stopping that from happening. If it is possible. Because specifically said that they're watching over the most developed and advanced of civilizations.

Cristina: What could they possibly care about?

Jack: What could they care about? They're just living their lives right next to the Asgardians.

Cristina: They're jumping back and forth from all these different realms.

Jack: When the Greek gods are called into higher court, the elves join them. Why? You don't want them to conspire and do things you're not aware of. But why?

Cristina: But why?

Jack: But why? It's. It seems like they're designed as a.

Cristina: Cap, I think so just to keep them away from their home, from Elfame.

Jack: So then the question is, we know that a lot of these highly advanced civilizations that we refer to as gods are significantly more powerful than the other fairies. We know this because we have examples of people developing incredible amounts of power. A good example is St. Peter. Exaggerated amounts of power that you could just deflect these things. Easy, casual. There's no way in h***. The sea people can't just s*** on every other elf. Not elf, every other fairy, minus the elves. Interesting enough. I don't know of a mention of elves watching over the sea people. That's interesting. There must be.

Cristina: There must be. They have. They have the snake dye.

Jack: They have. Yeah. The Naga.

Cristina: Yeah, Serpent. So they have to have elves as well. They're mostly not fairies. Unicorns. Unicorns have to be related somehow.

Jack: Unicorns, they don't have unicorns. Are in Athos and only in Athos. Have only ever been seen in Athos. Have only ever mentioned related to Athos. There's no other mention of unicorns anywhere else. And anybody who has talked about them pointed towards Athos.

Cristina: But they were the ones with the unicorns, weren't they?

Jack: They're the ones with mention to unicorns because they're also the ones on Mount Athos.

Cristina: Oh, I thought they were writing down on unicorns on Mount Athos. Yes.

Jack: Never been a mention of unicorns outside of Athos. It seems that unicorns aren't related to the sea people. They're related to Mount Athos. Okay, but also, why the. Aren't unicorns anywhere else?

Cristina: Yes. If they're fairies, many magical mountain tops that they could be hanging out.

Jack: It could be anywhere. Just Mount Athos. There's something about Mount Athos, a specific. Mount Athos is the only place with unicorns that are most likely an animal of the fairy world. And Mount Athos is the only place on earth, as far as we know, that has magic literally disabled from the bottom all the way to the summit. And only at the summit is there. So maybe, in theory, the fairies didn't even remove the magic there. Maybe that mountain stops the fairies from using their ability and showing up. And the only people who have figured out how to do that are the sea people, which would also explain why we don't have elves mentioned with the sea people. Because they've managed to keep the elves away because they can easily disable an entire mountain. They can shut down a whole mountain. That is magic. Or not magic, but a connection between portals. Are the sea people getting too powerful? And that's the real problem. They can again, Mount Athos. They can just stop magic.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: All the way to the summit. You have to meet us where we want you. You can't surprise us. You got to show up where we are, where we want you. You're at a focal point. Ooh. You can't go anywhere.

Cristina: So then maybe they're hiding from fairies because we know they're hiding from something.

Jack: Fair enough. Oh, my freaking God. Are they hiding from the freaking elves? And thus building these technologies using as well as using magics as well, and the bypasses that prevent them, that make them not need adrenochrome. So they don't need adrenochrome to Cross. They have other methods. The fruits, which are essentially magic, which are more powerful than adrenochrome because they can go not only to the shadow realm, but maybe these fruits are allowing them more than that.

Cristina: Like what?

Jack: The ability to cross the fairy realm.

Cristina: No way. Or.

Jack: That is the plan.

Cristina: That's the plan.

Jack: That's the plan. So the sea people cancel out Man Tathos.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the fairies can't show up there. That's why the unicorns are only there because unicorns are trapped there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: They can't leave.

Cristina: They can't go back to the ferry.

Jack: They can't use their magic abilities to just pop in and out. They're just stuck there.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: And then they just use them to ride around the mountain. F*** that. They're ours. They belong to us.

Cristina: Yeah, on that specific mountain.

Jack: On that specific mountain. And then the top of the mountain is the only place where transactions could happen. But the fairies already know this is a f***** up mountain. We're not going there because then we can get trapped there too. The elves aren't gonna go there, okay? Because they could be trapped there. There's no magic on Mount Athos, and they're literally beings of magic, so they can't make it there. Whatever power they used to disable magic on Mount Athos is the same s*** they were using when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis. But everybody knew where the f*** that was.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So even if we can't magically pop up there, we can magically pop up somewhere else and travel there. So instead, let us go somewhere else and disable magic there where you couldn't get to us without magic, we or our specific technology. But also you couldn't get to us with magic because like Mount Athos, we've disabled it. And you don't have our technologies. So they successfully hide from all of the most advanced civilizations and all of the beings of magic because they just can't get down there. They don't. They can't use magic around Atlantis. Atlantis is a barrier for magic.

Cristina: What? Okay, what does this mean? I don't understand. Is there a bad guy to the story? Maybe there's not. I don't know.

Jack: And are the Naga. The Naga have to be magic, right?

Cristina: Which ones are the Nagas?

Jack: Oh, the Sons of Oros.

Cristina: Wait, why is everyone hanging out with them?

Jack: Exactly. It's so broken.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he a traitor?

Cristina: Is he trapped?

Jack: He also isn't teleporting or anything. He's just chilling there. He's one of them.

Cristina: He might be Trapped.

Jack: He might be trapped. He might be. Yeah. He might just be trapped.

Cristina: The unicorns, they might have trapped the snake.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Are the sea people getting really intense? And it's like the Elfham are like, f***. Like, f***. They figured this out underneath our noses.

Cristina: They're just kidnapping them. What?

Jack: Well, the Naga, specifically, yeah.

Cristina: Still pretty crazy.

Jack: The plot thickens.

Cristina: Yes. What does it mean, though?

Jack: What does it mean? Right, right.

Cristina: Nonsense. I don't know.

Jack: What does it mean?

Cristina: What does it mean? Are they. What is the goal?

Jack: What is the goal? The theory is, what we've established now is okay, yes, definitely. Most likely because doesn't make sense for the creatures of Elfame to create a barrier on the mountain because they need to be able to use magic to get there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So somebody else did. But who is on that mountain? The sea people or. They're not on that mountain. They're never going to be on that mountain because it's a traversable location.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They leave only a single spot on the very top. Only a single spot on the very top. Everywhere else on that mountain, magic is impossible. And if you were to go to that spot on the very top, well, you're where they would want you. So there's no way in h*** a fairy would go there. Because you'd be caught.

Cristina: Yes. It also stops. Like Shadow Realm creatures, too, or is it just a fairy trap?

Jack: Well, Shadow Realm creatures aren't magic.

Cristina: Okay, so it just works on magical creatures.

Jack: Shadow Realm creatures, when they cross to this side, in theory, function the way we do, they're just different. Then again. Then again, when we look at the wet judge and when we look at the Djinn, one, they're kind of almost literally shadows. And two, there's an ethereal thing to them. Translucent, kind of ghostly. So I don't know. Power works so differently.

Cristina: We don't know any stories about the sea people using Shadow Realm creatures or anything?

Jack: No, they specifically avoid using even Adrenochrome, which is the original connection to that site. They don't care about the Shadow Realm. The Shadow Realm isn't their goal.

Cristina: Except for Jesus was one of them.

Jack: Jesus, who's aligned with the Shadow Realm, but does.

Cristina: What does he think of the fairies? And what do the fairies think of him?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: But now we know why it was important to cast him out. Because people were having visions of them. Yeah, you're gonna go kind of escape. It wasn't to escape the other gods. The other gods have nothing on the sea people they're overpowered. You guys can't do s*** to us. But the fairies can.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were hiding from the fairies. They were hiding from something. It was about the fairies. We can't let the fairies know where we are because we're going to keep developing whatever we're developing.

Cristina: So even the fairies are dreaming of Jesus then?

Jack: Maybe. Or not necessarily. Because the fairies can contact somebody who had visions and find out where they are. Okay, but outside the point, because then are Adam and Eve. Their attempt to pause. Dramatic pause, make their own fairies. They have the serpent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They already managed to make life many different ways with Adam.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They refined it to come up with us. They have the fruits. All of which seem to be magical to some degree.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But they're not done. We need to continue working with this. We need to hide this project and keep working on it. What else could there be it the other creatures weren't trying to get Adam and Eve and the fruits to make life, just normal life. That doesn't make sense. They want their own slave fairies and they know there's only one civilization that's on its way to do it.

Cristina: Mmm.

Jack: Sea people. The same people that explains the wars that were fought over Alcaraz, the Palace of Alcaraz at the Persian Gulf oasis, the Tanker War. Because they're trying to Anything, anything. They can come up with any shred of information that may help them or guide them or where the f*** are these people? Or how do we get to them? Or how.

Cristina: So no matter how advanced they are, which they are incredibly, incredibly advanced.

Jack: Ridiculous.

Cristina: Probably still haven't figured out how to make fairies.

Jack: That's the point of staying in absolute secrecy. Because once they do come up with their own fairies, if they can make up their own fairies, then these fairies would be. In theory, it would be controlling fairies. That's the goal. And then they would be so exaggeratedly overpowered. Nevertheless, you'd have a way into Helfhain. You'd have literal fairies who. If you can't go in, it doesn't matter. Send your army in just to see.

Cristina: What'S on the other side. That'd be crazy. I mean, it's not just for that, but just to see the other side.

Jack: Proof that we can send something over.

Cristina: Yeah. Whoa. What could this man.

Jack: So the sea people get really, really advanced and they're probably being watched by something. Presumably they're being watched by the elves. Obviously the elves are somewhere. We don't know where, but there's somewhere around them, close, nearby. When they're living in the Persian Gulf oasis. Absolutely. Fine, great. But they make a breakthrough, and. Or they're about to make a breakthrough. They know something that they don't want released. And before they get to that point, there's this kid. People are having visions of this kid.

Cristina: Yeah, like f***. Get rid of this problem.

Jack: We get rid of the lady. She can join us later. She wants to join us, but we got to get rid of the kid. She's on board. She's going to go have the kid. She can join us. Fine. The goal is get somewhere where there's no visions happening of your place. You can take the garden. They have the apples and Adam and Eve. Three people. Three primary people on the project. One is a literal fairy that you've somehow caught. Now, portal technology, Cypress to Athos. But wait, before we do this, let's cancel out Athos, okay? Because we need Mary to get there to could just follow Mary. We're gonna make them not be able to follow Mary. Mary's gonna use a portal to get to Athos. They could never cross the portal because they would just disappear on the other side because magic can't exist there. Boom. Okay, so far so good.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So they cross over. Or if they do cross over to just people. We can f*** them up. It's easy. We'll capture more of them. Maybe they have cap. Holy s***. Maybe that's why we don't hear fairies relative to the sea people. Maybe they did catch all their fairies. Maybe the fairies were doing their job, the elves were doing their jobs and followed Mary through the gate into Mount Athos, where their abilities were canceled. Maybe that was the original purpose. Their abilities get canceled. Now you're just people over here. But we're technology. You cannot f*** with this. Slaves. People to experiment on. Probably you take them across into Atlantis. There's no way down there. It's too f****** deep. There's no technology that people have that can get them down there. It's exaggerated, but they know how to do it. Also, they can cloak themselves. And also they can create barriers of magic. So no other magic creature can get down there and no technology can get down there. Unless you have our technology. And only we have our technology. Nobody else has our technology. So they get down there to get Mary back down there.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We never hear from Mary again. Where'd she go? Okay, she's down there. The serpent is down there. The unicorns are stuck on the mountain. They cannot poof out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They cannot poof out.

Cristina: I don't think so.

Jack: So they're trapped there. But they didn't need the unicorns. Those are our rides out here. They already like Pegasus. They like fancy rides. These are the fanciest of rides. Unicorns.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But the elves are gone too. Mary and the elves are gone. Which is also why having Knights Templar is important. Erase all the data. Erase everything. We can't have anybody catch up. Scientifically. We can't have anybody understand the truth. The more vague the better. Because then we have more time to work on our s***.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're down there. They're working three apples that are magic. The program Adam and Eve. The goal is some cross of these things. It was always a point. The point was always some cross of Adam and Eve and the fruits. That was the goal.

Cristina: Because that somehow equals fairy.

Jack: That somehow equals fairy. Life plus magic equals fairy. Simple. They managed to like runes. The apples are like runes. And we have the ability to create highly advanced life. That's almost at where we are in one shot. How do we cross these magic apples with the ability to create highly advanced life in one shot? Fairy would be the.

Cristina: So is Jesus the closest thing to a fairy that we have. If he ate one of the apples. S***.

Jack: S***. Not only. Oh, f***. I think you cracked something right now. Not only did he not need the apple, but maybe Jesus was the first attempt at this and that's why Mary didn't have a f******. Like Jesus didn't have a father. Jesus was the first attempt at this and it f***** up the first fairy. The first Earth Realm fairy.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He was thus explaining the abilities he just had without the technology.

Cristina: Except when people are having visions of him, they still freaked out.

Jack: Yes. Problem.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it wasn't. He didn't see still. Or maybe he did. I don't f****** know. Maybe dying still. Jesus might have. No, he needed the gates. So it was a failed experiment. But that it was still a lot going on there.

Cristina: Yeah. And if they're ever going to try again, it's not going to be anytime soon after Jesus. Because they saw.

Jack: They saw way more perfect. And also they're probably not going to do it in Atlantis anymore the way they did when they were in the Persian Gulf oasis.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're probably gonna do it on Mount Athos. And that's why nobody's allowed to the top of Athos. Not only is magic prohibited there, but there's a plethora of people stopping others from getting to the top. So though there might just be a lab on top of Athos as well. Is everything else where they would be literally Run. They come through the gate. They show up on top of Athos. Run the experiment. No magical creature can follow that gate, and nobody can get up there without permission. And only one person is allowed up there. And they know that the sea people will wreck s*** if they violate that rule. It's down packed.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Jesus was the first, and it was a failed experiment, but still absolutely overpowered.

Cristina: Ridiculously.

Jack: Ridiculously.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: And then allowed Jesus. So maybe even without the fruit, communicate with creatures in the shadow realm. So Jesus was always hearing some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But also, what is a feature of fairies? They can cross realms. So if they can cross the realms, they can presumably move through the realms within the realms very easily. That explains people seeing Jesus in many different places at random times. Very closely related. He can just move around a realm even if he can't easily teleport to another realm.

Cristina: But can he go into the fairy realm?

Jack: But can he go into the fairy realm? Well, no. He still needed gates to come back from the shadow realm. So moving through realms, which was your primary goal, still failed.

Cristina: Okay. He's got some fairy elements, but not all of them. Not all of them. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And we don't have any news of fairies until I go through all these other cultures. Even Zoroastrianism has fairies, but the sea people in particular have no mention of fairies, particularly the elves, which suggests maybe they perhaps did already capture the fairies and that's how they managed to create Jesus in the first place.

Cristina: That worked out so quickly because it popped up. The fairies popped up here 100 years before Jesus. That's how fast the.

Jack: Easy, quick. Overpowered.

Cristina: That makes sense. That definitely makes sense, because they're already overpowered.

Jack: Another detail here would be that the elves were only sent because the sea people were getting too strong.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: They were the reason that Mabs sent the elves. And so, okay. We didn't manage to stop the sea people, but we kept everybody else in check.

Cristina: What? Yes. Crazy.

Jack: The moment the fairies showed up, they caught him. So ma' am got paranoid. I didn't. I forgot about that detail. They showed up a hundred years before Christ.

Cristina: Yes. That's fast.

Jack: That's fast. They instantaneously caught them.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They knew of other fairies. Fairies have always been around, but the elves had no reason to interact with. And the second. The second they showed up, sea people got a hold of them. They're like, no way. We're stronger. So they were already stronger than the fairies. So they are stronger than the elves that are stronger than most advanced civilizations. Mabs Miscalculated. And that whole fleet of however many caught, including the serpent.

Cristina: That's very big.

Jack: No, not the big serpent.

Cristina: No, that's big. Like for her.

Jack: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: It's crazy.

Jack: The sea people are.

Cristina: They're overpowered.

Jack: They're overpowered. We knew they were powerful. We had no sense of safety.

Cristina: Even to the fairies are overpowered.

Jack: Even to the fairies are overpowered and.

Cristina: Don'T understand how that's possible. I mean, I do, but still it's really strange.

Jack: It's a whole other mess.

Cristina: But we still haven't figured out. I mean, they're still really ridiculous. Oh, man.

Jack: So Jesus is half human or whatever. I don't actually know how sea people are human. There's no way to know that one. But there. He's half sea person.

Cristina: Sea person? Yeah.

Jack: And half magic, which suggests he's half sea person, half fairy. And the halfness is up. His ability to move seamlessly through. And that's the only thing keeping the fairies in Elfame safe. Because he managed to capture the elves and they managed to capture the serpent.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they managed to capture the unicorns. They meant. Okay, magic is not a problem for the sea people. Basically that s*** is just some other bottom ground s***.

Cristina: But they're still worried about something.

Jack: They just wanted to do this in secrecy. That's all it was. They needed to do this. And they don't want people to have visions and perhaps see the tech. Have visions and know what's happening. Have visions and advance themselves based on the visions. Have visions and get there and steal the tech.

Cristina: So don't think they fear the shadow creatures at all. Think that's no problem at this point.

Jack: Unless. No, because. No, because the elves are stronger than whatever's in the shadow realm.

Cristina: And these gods, though, or these. What we would call gods that are not elves.

Jack: Advanced civilizations.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Like they're probably not worried about those either.

Jack: They might be. I don't know. Because the. The. Presumably the creatures in the shadow realm are also aiming to enter Alphane. Everything wants the power of Elfhame, which is the highest grade of power. It's a power struggle.

Cristina: Yes. That the sea people are obviously winning in by miles.

Jack: Everybody else is being kept in check by the elves. The sea people are keeping the elves in check. That's where we stand.

Cristina: Okay. Whoa. How's that possible? But it makes sense. It makes sense. Jesus makes sense now.

Jack: Jesus makes absolute sense. We know what Jesus is. We know why Mount Athos doesn't allow magic. We know that making Mount Kaath disappear is just hindering more creatures from figuring s*** out. We know that hiding away from the Oasis and going into Atlantis is just a way to make reaching them more complicated. Go to the furthest down bottom part of the ocean and they're gonna struggle. So there's no way to get to you. You're too far down. There's no tech that can get to you. Only you have the tech to do it. And then you could work on the apples, Adam and Eve. And you had one person get crooked. You your risk. Get rid of Lilith.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jehovah and the serpent remain amongst whoever else is there. That might be some background helping hand. But the serpent is very important because they're there. The serpent had maybe one of two options. You can assist or die. Or f****** die. Be an experiment like the rest of them. Yes, but one directive to assist. Maybe it wasn't even a threat. Maybe the serpent's job is just to assist.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And there's not even a question. Maybe it's like, yeah, whatever, I'm here for that.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Like, they don't have to threaten him.

Jack: They don't have to threaten him. The elves had to be threatened. Captured, subdued. Dude tested on the serpent is probably one of the ones testing on them.

Cristina: And also being tested on like.

Jack: I mean, the serpent's probably down. Yeah, like, whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, sure. The job.

Jack: Yeah, my job is to help. However.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's all I got.

Cristina: That's crazy. That's crazy. The answer is a lot.

Jack: The answer is a lot. We're getting. We're getting somewhere. And now we know about fame.

Cristina: Whoa. What? Like, what could. How. Where could we go from here? It feels like so much has been solved.

Jack: Yeah. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. I think everything of earthrealm has been solved. Now there's probably random, obscure, useless questions that are left.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But now to find what details of Elfamer missed out and if the Shadow Realm is really involved in the same quest, which I do believe might be the case.

Cristina: I think so. I think they are. But yes. Let's find out.

Jack: Anyways. If you guys are enjoying what is being found here and you have any input, if you're making connections that we're not. Tell us, tell us. Send us messages. You can reach us on all the socials. Just convopod on TikTok, Facebook, Facebook, Instagram.

Cristina: And X. Oh, so dumb. And X, remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And tell everybody we're figuring out the thing that's probably gonna get us murdered, but nobody wanted us to know specifically. The sea people were, like, busting that. That case wide open. They're gonna come for us eventually if we suddenly just stop making episodes. You know, this is se people. They got to us.

Cristina: Yes, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Bye. S.A. good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 29, 2023

Rambling 236: Hinduism and Their Shadow Realm

July 29, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

How does Hinduism connect to the ongoing Narrative? Do ancient Hindus know of Adrenochrome? What are their thoughts on the Shadow Realm? The due continue turning every rock related to the Sea People, The Shadow Realm and Adrenochrome they find. This time, they deep dive into Hinduism and discover an interesting new fact!

+Episode Details

Hinduism
Naraka
Patala
The Netherworld
Svarge
Mount Meru
Adrenochrome
Soma
Holy Plant of Hoama

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And lately we've been going down the infinite Rabb. It is whatever the h*** adrenochrome is, whoever the f*** the sea people are and whatever the crap the connection between them and the shadow Realm is. And it seems that everyone on Earth who's been around before the time of Christ and roughly about 200 years after him and then popping up again somewhere in the 1700s is somehow related.

Cristina: It's a mess.

Jack: It's a f****** mess. Everyone, across all ways, is somehow connected to all of these things in some crazy way. Elites and ancient civilizations that are technologically advanced and weird creatures.

Cristina: And yet a lot of it still doesn't make sense.

Jack: A lot of it connects and we don't know why. Yes, that's why, like, the dots connecting make sense. Why they're connecting doesn't. That's what's really weird. So let us do a quick recap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We've established that adrenochrome is actually more than one thing.

Cristina: Three things.

Jack: It's three things. It's nectar, the liquefied blood, adrenalized, it's ambrosia, organs pumped with adrenalized blood, and ichor, which is sort of distilled adrenalized blood. A person consumes nectar, and then you extract from their blood, the ichor. All three of these things more or less do the same things. They give you immortality, youth. They allow you to come back from the Shadow Realm when you die. By the way, you go to the Shadow Realm when you die if you consume these things. But interestingly enough, a thing we've only recently found out is a fourth consistent feature of them is the ability to hear. Creatures from the Shadow Realm. They all think it's gods from the.

Cristina: Other side for some reason. What just popped up into my head is, like, they all give you power, but, like, we all thought power meant, like in the society, like, they rule over us. That's the power that they're trying to gain. But no. Yes, but no. They're getting powers. Like, supernatural powers. Like they're getting actual sort of powers.

Jack: Yeah, they've always been getting powers. We've experimented with giving them the humans that become kind of vampiric, which is why the elites behave the way they do.

Cristina: They need to. But when you talk. When people talk about like they're trying to get power, you know, like when that's mentioned outside of adrenochrome, you're not thinking of that type of power. I mean, when you are talking about adrenochrome, you're thinking about normal type of power of like over people and stuff like that. The power to rule. Not something magical. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. The way people discuss it seems to be that they're talking about it that way. That it is, you know, somehow consuming. This allows you to, you know, somehow it's. It's underwear. Gnomes.

Cristina: Yes. That's why we always talked about it.

Jack: Yeah. Acquire adrenochrome, something, then rule the world.

Cristina: Yes. But now we sort of get it.

Jack: Yeah, well, so. Well, we don't get anything. It's so g****** complicated.

Cristina: We're closer to understanding.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. So it's so complicated, really is. Because even again, something about Earth in particular, because we got creatures coming from other. Wherever. Interdimensional creatures and creatures from outer space. Extraterrestrial creatures coming for exactly the same things. And that's weird.

Cristina: Well, we don't know if the terrestrial creature.

Jack: We know that the extraterrestrial creature that we compared to the Chupacabra was coming for that. And he's not the only one. We've established a couple of creatures in our previous episodes that aren't necessarily from Earth and are all sort of after the same thing.

Cristina: Like the cat people, I don't feel like were.

Jack: Well, the cat people are a weird one because what the h*** is even happening with that? That's highly.

Cristina: The roach people were not.

Jack: No, but. Well, we don't know. We don't know. We didn't have all these connections before, so there's no way to actually know. We would need to look into them and see if they do connect. Nevertheless, the Egyptians particularly connect. So why wouldn't the cat people. Again, we haven't looked in their direction like this.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: But the very civilization that they were involved with does. So why wouldn't they? It's just we didn't have the information before. It was long before we had all these pieces. So that's just an assumption at this point.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But back to the point, we got adrenochrome, which is three different parts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then they cause the abilities again of immortality, of youth, of the ability to cross into the shadow realm when you die and return if you somehow find a way. And the ability to contact or communicate with creatures from the shadow realm while still alive on this end. Not only that, the big problem with adrenochrome, specifically nectar and ambrosia. I think nectar more than is. If you consume it, you must continue to consume it. Again, issue with the elites. It basically turns you into a vampire and you have to keep consuming, otherwise you become something more like a zombie feral monster. Yes, very fallout ghoul. Yeah, Fallout feral goal. Just savage, unthinking. So they continue to do whatever they can to consume it. Seems like California at this moment has become the harvesting ground ever since Weinstein. Not Weinstein. Epstein's island, which was the previous harvesting ground, was completely eradicated. So at this point, they're so desperate they don't even care. They're just blatant about it now.

Cristina: Insane. Okay, yeah.

Jack: It is what it is. Right now it's not entirely clear what the goal of using this is, what the goal of inventing this is or discovering this. We know the people of the past were using this. People that were considered gods were probably just humans on some variant of adrenochrome that other people didn't understand. And they had powers and abilities and were superior and immortality and blah, blah, blah, called them gods almost in every culture, almost from every religion. These were the gods.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very interesting similarities across everything. Now, one group of people who didn't were the people from the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Oasis, didn't do what?

Jack: Never touched adrenochrome. They seem to, on the other hand, have the second piece of this puzzle, the sea people, directly connected to the history of Jesus Christ, the Magi that.

Cristina: Is so secretive down there. How do you know they don't have to deal with adrenochrome? Like there's no mention of it, but there's not. We don't really know anything that they're doing. We don't know where they're the most advanced thing we've ever.

Jack: Yes, but it seems like everybody wants what they have. Yes, and if you already have adrenochrome, why would you need what they have? If adrenochrome does the same thing that the alicorn does. No, they must not have adrenochrome. There must be something superior on top of the fact that the sea people had this weird migration pattern hid entirely from Jesus Christ, who was also a sea person, as was Mary, watched by the Magi, who later created the Knights Templar in order to correct the narrative of Jesus Christ. Complicated. What are they hiding? The possibility that the Garden of Eden is some sort of technology. There are not two, three fruits yes. And one of them seems to do almost identically what adrenochrome does. Adrenal does. You have the fruit of knowledge, the fruit of life, which gives you that same immortality. And then the fruit of the. The cavalry fruit, which is essentially a fruit that allows you to transcend to the other realm. Yes, the Templar twisted that in the Bible and named it. Made it seem like it was just the cross that Jesus was crucified on. But that seems to be incorrect when you translate the original texts without counting on the Holy Bible, King James Version, many similar texts. It seems to be that there was in fact another fruit. Because that can be confirmed because the Norse also discussed their universe based on a tree. Their universe about moving through different realms was entirely based on a tree connecting the realms.

Cristina: Okay, if they have that tree, how did he get a hand of a fruit from that tree?

Jack: I don't know. That's another question we have no answer for.

Cristina: Because he know he was fishing to the butts stuff.

Jack: And yes, Jesus is the only sea person we know of who was directly in contact with some form of adrenochrome.

Cristina: How did he get to an apple? Cuz they're so good at it. Doesn't make sense.

Jack: The absurd nature with which they're secretive is mind blowing.

Cristina: Exactly. So how is it possible? Was his mom helped him somehow?

Jack: No, because she had not been. You said the same thing last time. And it makes no sense because she never got there until he died. He had already been dead. And then she began her track there.

Cristina: What is she had it with her? I don't understand. Why can't she have taken out?

Jack: How would she have. She wasn't even involved with the thing. As far as we know. We got three names of three people who were actually working on this project. Jehovah. Whatever the h*** serpent is. Unless she's the serpent. And Lilith. Lilith created an army of demons because she didn't have Eve, which was the second part of this technology named Adam and Eve. So she was cast out for using this project at all in order to attack or do whatever she. I guess you want to conquer the sea people? Maybe. I don't know. So she's cast out of the project. We still know who the h*** the serpent really is. That's a code name of some sort. And then Jehovah, which is the creator of this.

Cristina: Although she was the serpent. That's really cool because then. Yeah, then there you go.

Jack: Because why would they welcome her back?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And also, as whoever the serpent is is being watched as much as Lilith because of what they're protecting and what they're dealing with. There's no way they'd let somebody just leave when the point of them protecting this so avidly is.

Cristina: Yes, they're watching her that whole time.

Jack: Yeah, they had the Manji on her.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And Joseph was probably one of the maji. He was directly next to her. She was being watched. Yeah, she was being watched. There's no way. Dude, there's no way. She. She did not. It wasn't her.

Cristina: There's something missing to the story.

Jack: Something missing. Somehow he got a hold of a piece of fruit, or not a piece of fruit, but whole fruit from the Tree of Cavalry.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: This allowed him to fully die, which is a requirement of the fruit in order to then come back to life. And it gives you the ability of a fairy to move across.

Cristina: It could be that or it could be. What was the other option? Nectar. Like, it could have been either or for him.

Jack: It could have been either or. Yeah, he probably. The idea is he probably already had nectar and that's why he went around spreading it to his homies, telling them about him giving them the thing. And he also made gates, presumably to come back himself. Yeah, he was preparing for his death.

Cristina: Yeah. So he might not have had that fruit.

Jack: Maybe he had an Albert Wesker kind of scenario. Dying was part of the plan in order to have these abilities he was looking for. Yeah, so he needed to consume nectar and ambrosia, let himself die, go to the other side. But he knew this was gonna happen. So he took a trip, established some gates, came back.

Cristina: Yes, because there's no way. There's no way there is that fruit that does all that things. But there's no way he had that. So he must have planned it all out.

Jack: Yeah, I don't. No way to tell, but it looks like it. So there's some plan on his side and the sea people don't like him. And it's likely because, by the way, sea people, Atlantean, same thing. It's possible that it's because you're trying to protect this technology named the Garden of Eden that contains the apples. The three different apples. And. Is this some sort of lab or some s***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: On top of the fact that they made Mount Kaathe absolutely vanish, which was a direct passageway in and out of the Shadow Realm. Enter the third part of our equation, the f****** Shadow Realm. It seems to be that there's something really overpowered on that side. That it's pretending to be some sort of God and trying to communicate with people and bring itself through.

Cristina: Yes. And it probably does come through every once in a while, but just can't stay out here. I don't know why, and I don't know if somehow the thing that they have in their technology can somehow help him stay here. Is that even his goal? Does he want to be in and out? Like, who knows? There's so many questions.

Jack: Yes. And the fact that the shadow realm is the resemblance of our human realm, the mortal realm, but twisted and contorted and foggy. According to the Norse.

Cristina: Foggy.

Jack: Foggy and misty. Darker. And there are beings over there, Djinn, who are essentially the humans of that side. There are gods to the Djinn, which are similar to the vampiric consumers of adrenochrome from this descent. But something that we do not know about the other side because there must be a third realm we're unaware of that is not. The shadow realm is where fairies come from. That we do not know the answer to that question. We know they can move through the mortal realm and through the shadow realm effortlessly. And it might be that unicorns are the same thing.

Cristina: A fairy don't come from that place.

Jack: But they don't come from the shadow realm. We know that much. They just move in and out. So where do they come from? Complicated. Weird. These are the questions we are actively trying to answer and how they connect to each other. What the point is.

Cristina: That's very important.

Jack: Yes. So we've looked at a bunch of religions, gone through Greek mythology and gone through Norse mythology, gone through Christianity, looking through things, looking for different blood rituals that connect directly to adrenochrome, which the Viking had and the Christians had and the Greek had. And this how it came to these, it led us to all these different versions of adrenochrome. And it seems that collectively around the world, mostly around the. The old equator, there are a bunch of civilizations directly connected to the sea people that gave them information in preparation for something presumably they're hiding, is my theory. Now, they were preparing everybody for their disappearance here. Advance forward. We're gonna disappear one day.

Cristina: Okay. That makes sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah.

Jack: But what is the ultimate point of all this? So I figure the only way to really continue digging and investigating is to look into other belief systems.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The next one that I took a deep dive into looking for, again, the same patterns we find seemingly everywhere was Hinduism. We've never turned a single stone relative to this. The closest thing we got to is Buddhism and Shinto gates.

Cristina: Shinto gates. There's more.

Jack: Which leads us back to Jesus.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But we haven't gone to Hinduism. Absolutely random other thing that's unrelated. So in looking into Hinduism, we come across again. I was trying to find the shadow realm. Trying to find the shadow realm, but I found out that they do in fact have a version of H***.

Cristina: Okay, what's that like?

Jack: Well, it's H***, but so it's called Naraka. Interesting enough, it seems that h*** in the Greek mythology, in the Norse mythology, in Christianity, in Hinduism, is beneath the world, whatever that might be. It's always beneath the world. Specifically in Hinduism, they say it's not just beneath the world, but it's beneath the universe. Interesting thing that they have. That falls in line with some ideas we've come across but haven't established before. You can come back from this h***, they say how?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Oh, well, I didn't look into that specifically. It was just fascinating that you can come back from that place.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So that's interesting. I was thinking that's the shadow realm that they're conflating with H***.

Cristina: Yeah, that sounds like you could do that. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Except their shadow realm is called Potala.

Cristina: Oh, they have a shadow realm.

Jack: They have a shadow realm. They call it the netherworld or the underworld. But it's essentially the same idea. It's a beautiful earth like place. Darker, slightly more twisted, but very earth like. And just like Norse mythology, filled with groves and rivers, which seem to be the focal point of that place. Fascinating. Very similar to Nuffelheim is the shadow realm of lunars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Which was the realm of fog and mist. The only difference here is that it's not a realm of fog and mist. It is contorted. It is more twisted. It's more like the shadow realm depicted in old Germanic religions.

Cristina: Okay. So the shadow realm and H*** are separate.

Jack: The shadow realm and H*** are separate. But this h*** is one we can come from, come back from. So it's not a one way trip. Which again falls in line with the Norse. It's not a one way trip, it's.

Cristina: A way out to all these locations.

Jack: All these locations coexist the many realms. So it seems when comes to visualization, when. When it comes to traversal, the most accurate of all are the Norse. They're just locations you can travel to.

Cristina: Okay. And in their shadow realm, you could go in and out.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so can you. From their heaven called Svark.

Cristina: Just going out of there.

Jack: So their heaven is Set in a celestial. It's a series of celestial worlds similar to the Norse. Here's where this gets interesting. It's located above a mountain called Mount Meru.

Cristina: No, another mountain.

Jack: This is a five peaked mountain.

Cristina: What does that even mean?

Jack: It has five peaks.

Cristina: So it's not multiple mountains?

Jack: No, it's one mountain with five peaks.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And their heaven begins at the top of the central tallest peak.

Cristina: Okay, Very.

Jack: Again, Norse. Directly over the tree. Very north. On top of Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Mount Olympus is not Norse.

Jack: Very Greek. I said. Oh, Norse on top of a mountain. And Greek like mount. Unless I said Norris twice. But Greek. Mount Olympus.

Cristina: Yes. Christian heaven on top of the sky. I guess. I don't know.

Jack: Well, here's what's interesting. Christianity might be the only one that isn't directly referring to a heaven on top of a mountain. We had Moses go and talk to God on top of a mountain.

Cristina: That's for sure. On a mountain.

Jack: But what mountain was it? Fascinating. Right? Fascinating. There is a mountain.

Cristina: There is mountain.

Jack: It's called Mount Sinai. Mount Sinai is renowned as the principal site of divine revelation in Judaism, where God is reported to have appeared to Moses and given him the Ten Commandments. Fascinating. And this mountain is located in Egypt, One of the two primary locations that contacted and have information directly from the sea people.

Cristina: Yes. What does this mean?

Jack: What the h***?

Cristina: Is he talking to the sea people?

Jack: Not only that, but the sea people. Not the sea people. But Christianity and Jews hold another mountain completely sacred, primarily Christians, which is Mount Athos. And that's the mountain where the sea people arrive from. Do they consider that a mountain that connects to heaven? Is that what they're protecting? Is that what they're indirectly protecting? A gate to heaven? Quote unquote.

Cristina: It would make sense.

Jack: Jehovah, the sea person was contacting Moses the Jew on top of a mountain in Egypt.

Cristina: So not the other?

Jack: Yes, both.

Cristina: Both.

Jack: This was before they moved.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mount Athos is after they fled the Persian Gulf oasis. Mount Sinai is before. This is the mountain they would originally contact these people at. It was closer to home.

Cristina: So it's mostly them on mountains first. Then once they kind of disappeared from our lives, the new God or whatever decided he was gonna take up mountain. Mountain spots.

Jack: No, everybody had mountain spots.

Cristina: Everyone had mountain spots. Okay.

Jack: Everybody had mountain spots. A lot of people were happening at the same time in different locations. Everybody had mountain spots. Something about mountains. There's something about mountains that's significant, that's magical. Magical. Whether they must all be portals to. To different dimensions of some Sort considering having a different dimension wouldn't be too far off the stretch. Because Mount Kaf went up, but took you to the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: And that means there really have to be portals that are taking us to underground too. There's something down there.

Jack: Yeah, there must be. Just like the Norse believe. Just like the Greek believe, if you go below, there is something. Oh, wait, there will be taken somewhere.

Cristina: The lizard people were down there. And then we destroyed it. Right, that happened.

Jack: Right. But religiously speaking, there are many, many, a lot of examples of there being either a direct path down that leads you somewhere, or you go down to a place that takes you somewhere.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, if we were to go straight down. Now, there isn't something holding up Earth. That's not how it works. That's not happening. Greek mythology's example of it doesn't make any sense. Unless you go down towards Earth, the center of the Earth, and you find some sort of gate that takes you somewhere where there's a creature holding up an entire platform that people live on. Interesting. That's different than if he's literally holding Earth. Our Earth is round. It's three dimensional. What do you mean if Hades holding up the Earth or whatever.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Is her 80s, whoever's being punished in Greek mythology holding up the entire planet.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The planet must be a flat plane in order for that to be the case. Or if it's an orb, we're still on only one side of it. So if we were to go underground and go to their version of h***, perhaps there is just a portal that takes you to this place. This place is some sort of flat plane that we're on top of, and there's something punished holding it up. Maybe that is exactly what's happening. But we're thinking, oh, it doesn't make sense. Earth is round. Yes. Because we're on a three dimensional plane. That's a different realm that works differently. And everything is on one side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The same. In Norse mythology, you could just take a trip on the river Styx. But what's the River Styx?

Cristina: It's a.

Jack: It's a river. Why would it take you to a H*** like place? Unless there's a portal on this river.

Cristina: Oh, yes. Okay.

Jack: Portals everywhere.

Cristina: This portal is everywhere.

Jack: They take you to certain places and certain people know how to get there. Sometimes you got to summon the portal, perhaps with a ritual of sorts.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Places of concentration that we've established.

Cristina: But are these. Are the. Like, are they other dimensions or are they actual physical places that we are just. These portals can take Us, like maybe it's a different planet, that it's. We're connecting to that planet or something that has a different atmosphere or whatever.

Jack: It could a hundred percent be also not dimensions, but realms. Yes, 100% could be. Because we've established that a lot of these places have extremely advanced technology. But the shadow realm looks very similar to Earth. And it is a place that you can cross without needing technology.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And creatures fly here from outside our planet looking for these same abilities that we just casually have here. I think those things write off the likelihood that. And we do have technologies that are very literally technologies. Look inside the pyramid, we have the ability to just teleport.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Anywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There. But it's obviously technology. We can tell it's technology. It's unquestionably technology. I think the nature of a gate that looks like magic is actually some sort of. Maybe not certainly magic, but it's not technology in the way we understand it.

Cristina: And it's not taking us to another planet.

Jack: No. Because we have technologies that do that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It looks like these are realms.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, different places where different things work. The shadow realm isn't necessarily physical. There's no way in there without adrenochrome. But then you have adrenochrome and now you can get there. Weird.

Cristina: Yes. Unless you're a fairy.

Jack: Unless you're a fairy. Again, we don't even know what fairies are because of these interesting features. So the idea is that Mount Sinai was the location specifically where Jehovah was in fact contacting people. And then when the sea people migrated and left. Alternatively, Jehovah that we're talking about before the New Testament isn't the same Jehovah we're talking about after the don't worship other gods. No. That's a very specific God from the shadow realm. That's Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: That would be Moses's.

Jack: That's Moses's God. He went to Mount Sinai. So regardless, the sea people were never there. That's more like Mount Kaf. If anything. Something about going to the top of mountains allow you to tune into these different realms. And he went up there and tuned into the shadow realm where he got orders from Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: I don't know. But okay, so we have Naraka the H***, Patala the Netherworld, and Svarg, the heaven equivalent. And then we have the five peak mountain called Mount Maru. Yes.

Cristina: There's another mountain. I just remembered which mountain. I don't know its name, but St. Patrick was there for 40 days, fasting and. And then until God promised him many things. I remember one of them was to let him be the judge of sinners in heaven. The Irish.

Jack: So he went up and got powers and then came down?

Cristina: Well, yeah. For the. After he had. I think the promises were for the afterlife or for when he went to heaven.

Jack: So hold on, hold on, hold on. He went up to a mountain and was told that in the afterlife he would have abilities.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then came down from the mountain.

Cristina: Yes, bro.

Jack: Somebody told him he's gonna go to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yeah. On the mountain. Someone told him.

Jack: Someone told them, I can get you into the shadow realm.

Cristina: Yep. It's crazy. I don't know what mountain it was, but another mountain.

Jack: At this point, we can start discarding mountains because we understand that generally speaking, mountains, a specific mountain, who cares? Generally speaking, mountains. Something about mountains.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Some more than others, but something about mountains. All of them. All mountains. There's something. Or tall mountains. Particularly tall mountains. Although Athos is not a particularly tall mountain. That's just a unique mountain. Alternatively, that mountain itself has some sort of field of energy around it that prevents any magic or ability from taking place everywhere except in the summit. That mountain is just unique for a reason.

Cristina: But it's not just mountains. It's kind of like everywhere. That's not normal for us is something's hiding in there. Like every lake has some type of sea monster in it. Protecting something.

Jack: Protecting something.

Cristina: Every volcano has something in there.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Like it's just random locations that it's not. We can't.

Jack: Where it's hard for us to get to is where things will hide their stuff.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now this five peak mountain, there's something very important about this five peak mountain that I think is one of the most important details about this deep dive. The five peak mountain that the Hindus believe in. Mount Maru. Meru is the Hindu word. The word Meru is in Hindu, Right. And this mountain is specifically located formerly. Listen to these words. Formerly located northeast of India. But the exact location was never known by the Indians. They just know it was northeast India. Okay. This right here is a map of India.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Northeast of India. Slowly migrate northeast of India. What do you find? Keep going.

Cristina: Keep going from there.

Jack: Keep going. Northeast from India.

Cristina: Am I going even more farther up? Like, I don't know, north east? Iran.

Jack: Okay. Yes, Iran. What's below Iran? That's the Persian Gulf right there.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Yeah, keep going.

Jack: More northeast. That right there. Directly northeast from India. Just so happens to be the location of Mount Kaf.

Cristina: What does that relate to what you're saying?

Jack: What we're saying Mount Meru is in the Indian texts, said to be directly northeast of India. That's formerly its location. Formerly as in it's no longer there. A mountain that's no longer there and was northeast of India. You follow northeast from India and new land at the exact location where Mount Kaf was.

Cristina: That's so far away, though. I don't understand.

Jack: Yeah, they also had no idea where the mountain was. They just knew it was northeast of their location.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They've never seen Mount Kaf. I mean, they've never seen Mount Meadow.

Cristina: Okay. Because now it's somewhere in that location.

Jack: Yes. No longer is. They know it was. And no longer is. Now, I'm not saying there's the same mountain. I'm saying you go northeast from India and you can land at Mount Kaf. And that's the only mountain that, just like Mount Meru is no longer there. They're probably talking about the same mountain, and that's a h*** of a distance.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it just happens to be northeast.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Could be a coincidence. But why would it be in the same direction?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: I thought that was incredibly interesting.

Cristina: That's interesting. Yeah.

Jack: If you were to draw a straight line, you just land at the body of water where Mount Kaf was. That's weird.

Cristina: What is this one?

Jack: Now, mountain wise, that's the most important detail. We come across Mount Meru. That could, for all intents and purposes, also be Mount Kaath.

Cristina: Are they described the same? They're not described as a 5.2 mountain.

Jack: Mount Khaf is not described as at all.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: There's no description of Mount Kaf. There's just. You go to the peak of Mount Khaf and you can access the shadow the of. All right. Mount Meru is an access point to the heavens. As far as they know, they've never seen it, so they're assuming the heavens are up there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, I wanted to know how they relate to adrenochrome. Very important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: There's a connection.

Jack: Well, that's what I'm about to tell you. Like the sea people, there's actually literally no connection. There is a respect for life. They are not to consume life. They are not to consume blood. The only times that a sacrifice of life is made is just for God. God is in heaven. Now, let me tell you how specific a sacrifice for God is.

Cristina: Yes, please.

Jack: The human must be sacrificed while alive and whole, tossed into A fire pit. God requires the sacrifice to be absolutely conscious and present as they become one. What?

Cristina: This is horrifying.

Jack: Yes, but that's the point, it seems.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The person will be way more horrified.

Cristina: How do they have a connection to him, though? It seems like the other stories, they had to have some kind of connection, whether it was adrenochrome or whatever. But these people are supposed to not.

Jack: Do anything and like, to get to this mountain. That's a h*** of a journey.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, how is this happening? Like now they're not the ones doing these human sacrifices. They just know that that was.

Jack: I don't know. But like, after you find out that northeast of Mount is Mount Meadow and that you have to basically horrify somebody as they slowly die in a sacrifice to God, it kind of crosses real well at those two points. That's probably Mount Kaf.

Cristina: It can't be the same people, though. They're doing these sacrifices.

Jack: How are they getting a sacrifice up there? Unless the trek is part of the ritual. This long f****** journey to make the sacrifice.

Cristina: But they're not drinking any blood. They're not drinking any blood, getting any connection to this guy.

Jack: They're going to the mountain. That is the access point. You don't want. Need the blood. The mountain can take you there.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's why it's weird that they specifically said northeast. It takes you to the one place you don't need adrenochrome to access the shadow realm. The literal access point to the shadow realm.

Cristina: Being close to death has anything to do with it too. Like they. They travel all that distance. They must have been dying. How long did Moses stay on that mountain?

Jack: 40 days and 40 nights.

Cristina: Patrick was up there 40 days as well. Like, they're. They were not doing very well.

Jack: They weren't doing very well.

Cristina: So maybe that's also helps communicating with.

Jack: This being on the mountain partially dead. Yeah, that could be the case. That could definitely.

Cristina: There's something that you have. Like a normal person going on a mountain isn't really going to have that connection. But maybe someone meditating.

Jack: Maybe something about the human life force prevents you from accessing the shadow realm. And so the less of it you have, the more connected you can be. But we don't have proof of that.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Except Moses didn't make a sacrifice. He went up alone.

Cristina: Yes. And he just stayed there.

Jack: As did Patrick.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He went up alone and still managed to communicate.

Cristina: Then we know there's a bunch of priests up there. They're just. What are they Doing? They're fasting most of the day, right?

Jack: Yeah. Actually temples and monks and whatnot. Yeah, fasting. A lot of intentional stoic suffering.

Cristina: Yeah, I think that's connected somehow.

Jack: Interesting observation. Interesting observation. We haven't come across that theory before, and it works very well now. You make this trek over there, halfway through, people start dying. That's still not going to connect you. There's no mention of anything like that. We would have heard of stuff like that. You dying along the way. There's none of that.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like people making the journey to Mount Meru to make the sacrifice. Like nobody is feeling the power of God on their way over there. They're just dying. And, like, whoever makes it, makes it. But when you make it now, you reach the access point and you have less life force. You hear him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Or them or whatever. You hear the thing.

Cristina: You hear the thing.

Jack: But it's because you went to the access point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it's not about just being half dead, it's about being half dead up there.

Cristina: Up there. Yeah. That's the important part. Yes, I think so.

Jack: The access point matters. Now, thinking about that, biblically speaking, we do have an example to the contrary.

Cristina: What?

Jack: But we're talking Moses again. And Moses starts to free his people. And Moses parts the seas. But how the f*** did he do that? Moses doesn't have that power. Moses hasn't consumed blood. But Moses is in connection. He's in connection with this being. So these people are starving and suffering and dying on this journey. And we can make fire fall from the skies and the oceans part. Now we have an argument for this level of horror and fear and suffering bringing this destructive being. And he's like, these are the people who are going to worship me. Yes. I'll protect them. And then he destroys these places with fire and creates barriers so that they can't be chasing parts. The literal seas, so they can move through it.

Cristina: And also murdering their children.

Jack: Yeah, I guess that too. So all that kind of stuff, the ability which is. Was caused by fear. You can do it. Because fear. Yes, all these things. All of these things are examples of suffering. Yes. Allowing the being through. But we already knew things like that were the case if you got enough fear going on. So suffering might not do it. Suffering might allow you to hear them.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But fear allows them to come through. That's what's actually happening in the story of Moses. He goes up, suffers, hears God, but his people don't hear God. The suffering isn't as important as the Fear they're feeling because this allows God to come through himself. A whole group of people, all horrified. You're gonna find us. You're gonna kill us.

Cristina: God himself can come through starving to death. They're also all on the verge of dying as well.

Jack: But they're not at some peak where they're hearing God. They don't hear God. They never hear God. Not one of them. And Moses on the trip doesn't hear God.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He went to the mountain, suffered there. He heard God.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But along this path, he didn't hear.

Cristina: God while he's up there. They're all fearing that he's never coming back or he's lying to them. Like there's a bunch of fear building up to the point of him returning.

Jack: Yes. And then when they're running away, which is the adrenaline. Fear.

Cristina: Yeah, the.

Jack: Oh, my God. Oh, my God fear. They're behind us. Oh, my God. Fear. And then God can manifest because you're so, so much fear. Concentrated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Theory. The bush is then a portal of some sort, a vessel of some sort, Some item that connects to the shadow realm. Something is up with that bush. I need to investigate. So other than for God himself needing a sacrifice, there's no other example of human consumption? No nectar, no ambrosia, no ichor? They do not touch it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It does not exist in Hinduism. They're as close to the sea people as we can get.

Cristina: But are there demons and angels and stuff? Gods.

Jack: Yeah, there's definitely a bunch of different creatures.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But they themselves aren't becoming any of them, which means there are. And a lot of the times, these are things to be feared. So it's things that probably do get a hold of adrenochrome and shin.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because they look down on it. But. But what? As I'm looking through all of these things, I come across something very interesting. Didn't notice this before, and it was elsewhere, but I noticed it here. That made me. Oh, wait, I remember something like that.

Cristina: The dots.

Jack: What is this Soma? Soma is a drink derived from plant.

Cristina: Simple.

Jack: It's mentioned in the ancient Hindu text of Rigvara, specifically in the haym called the Soma Madala. Now, this drink derived from a plant, is named particularly the purifying Somalia. Okay, sure, whatever. The purifying summer. So I'm reading through it, and I see that. So it's derived from a plant called a plant named Somatala. The origin. The origin of the plant is unknown. Other than that it came from a sacred mountain.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: A plant that came from a mountain.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Of course, yeah.

Jack: Now, when I tell you what this plant does, we have come across our third or fourth thing, depending how we look at it. It grants immortality, it grants youth, it grants divine visions and the ability to transcend beyond the mortal world.

Cristina: I don't understand.

Jack: Adrenochrome, alicorn, the three fruits and soma.

Cristina: And we're thinking these are not the same things, even though they're all exactly the same.

Jack: Well, we know they're different. Adrenochrome is blood. Alicorn is the horn of a unicorn. The apples are either technology or fruit. And soma is a literal plant. Now I minus the effects it causes. A plant that gets turned into a drink. I've come across before where the Persians had something similar. One of their rituals in Zoroastrianism was a holy plant named Hoama.

Cristina: Does it do the same things? Yes, all that.

Jack: Yes. Hawama mentioned in the old Persian cuneiform. And the DN in script is said to have been brought to the attention of the Persians by the nomadic Scythians, which are Iranic nomads who traveled from the central of Asia to current day Ukraine. And they said it grew atop mountains. Mount Kaf. The Iraqis found it on Mount Kaf. They were Persians at the time. Still, this is all one. And they found a plant on top Mount Khaf. And they were like, f*** this s***, we're out.

Cristina: I don't understand how there's so many things that are the same thing, but it's not the same. Is it possible?

Jack: There are said to have healing abilities, purifying abilities, grants immortality. Physical strengthening brings enlightenment and allows the consumer to transcend to the likes of deities upon physical death. We have four identical things.

Cristina: They can't be what we think they are. There's no way. Maybe unicorn horn has been code for this plant this whole time. I don't know. This doesn't make sense.

Jack: Well, no, because people have in the 1700s said they got these things from.

Cristina: Unicorns, but there was never proof of these unicorns. They just.

Jack: People said they saw it. The people said they saw it. Yeah, people who aren't part of the religious sect said they saw it. A traveler said he saw it.

Cristina: They saw the horn.

Jack: Some saw the horn, some saw the unicorns. They all got it from the same location. The blood is factually unrelated. Factually, like what the f*** does the blood have to do with a plant?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: That opened many doors and left many questions. A plant called Soma that is identical in effect to the three plants of the garden. Will summarize and just say the garden. Alicorn, Adrenochrome, and Soma man.

Cristina: I think they are all related, though.

Jack: Blood, a plant, fruits, and an animal tusk or horn.

Cristina: If they're all from the same area, maybe these gods made these sacrifices on these mountains.

Jack: So you don't actually need a sacrifice to go through Mount Cuff. Mount Kaf is the access point. You could just go through.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That doesn't need any of it.

Cristina: But is this plant found on that mountain?

Jack: Yes. This plant somehow allows you to access it without the need for sacrifices. And the other mountain unicorns are not on the mountain? As far as we know, unicorns are on Mount Athos.

Cristina: So many different mountains, highly unrelated. Yeah.

Jack: And unicorns literally found nowhere else, just Mount Athos, which is definitely not Mount Kaf. Highly unrelated.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Adrenochrome can get you there from anywhere. Soma, if taken from the mountain and turned into this potion, can get you there from anywhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fruit of cavalry can get you there from anywhere.

Cristina: Well, where are these stories about these plants?

Jack: They're part of Zoroastrianism and part of Hinduism. Okay, so India and Persia. Persia is way close to Mount Khaf. It's right around the corner from it. I mean, it's literally touching the body of water that Kafa is on top of. Four different ways to do the same thing. I think this holds way more water. When we're talking about the race to accomplish deifying, we've. We've established that perhaps what's happening is a group of gods wants their people to be the next bigger God.

Cristina: Yeah. One of their people would take their place or whatever.

Jack: Not take their place, but become the big overseer of everything. The gods of gods.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And somehow they require these things. Or it's about making perfect. Well, no, because we know it's so con. Why is Adam and Eve a thing? That's the other problem. We don't know what the sea people are doing. The sea people are the. Because we got everybody else's s*** down packed.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The sea people are so f****** mysterious.

Cristina: They have this tech that can make humans.

Jack: And as the. As they are Persian themselves, they probably have access to the plant. They know of adrenochrome, but there's no need for it because they have the unicorns and the fruits. They got three of the four things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They got three of the four things in the fourth one is just a desperate way to do it.

Cristina: That is pretty intense.

Jack: And then they also have whatever the h*** the point of Adam and Eve, this population technology is, what is the point? I don't understand. The sea people got something else going on. They got something more.

Cristina: They do. I don't know. Because they're all after it. I don't know.

Jack: Everybody else wants it. That's why the sea people went to hiding. And not just what we consider gods in the area. There's wars happening just for they used to be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The tanker war is just for the palace of Alcaraz, where they used to be and no longer were.

Cristina: Because these gods can't really create things. Not the way that they make us believe. No.

Jack: It's technology. They're just people who evolved over time like the rest of us. Yes, those are the intelligent civilizations of the past of 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: But creating life is important for some reason.

Jack: Not just making life. They could all make life. They've all made life. It's making whatever superior form of life happens with this technology called Adam and Eve.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: And I also don't know why it's so important to access the shadow realm and why the sea people needed to stop everybody else from getting there. But they have a bunch of ways.

Cristina: But they probably don't travel there themselves either.

Jack: You think they're protecting us from that? And these other f****** are just looking. They're so power hungry that they don't give a s***. They're like, f***, destroy this s***. We'll repopulate it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Meanwhile they're like, if they don't have this, they won't kill their people. But if they get a hold of Adam and Eve, they got no problem destroying everything and remaking it in their image.

Cristina: Yes, that could be it.

Jack: I could totally be. I don't know. This is spitballing at this point, but I can totally be it. As long as they don't get a hold of the technology known as Adam and Eve, they will not destroy everything.

Cristina: It makes sense. I don't know why, but it does. It's the closest to something we've got. Because we really can't. We can't really tell at all whatsoever. Because no one knows. Because they're secret.

Jack: Not unless we can access the texts, the data storage beneath the Sphinx and the Mayan temples, which are the records of the sea people.

Cristina: The wrecker is. You think they're there still?

Jack: Nobody has gotten those out. Why would they just gonna disappear?

Cristina: Time destroys them all.

Jack: That would defeat the point of hiding it there if it's supposed to outlast you in case you get destroyed.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You can make it some fragile s*** that time alone will get rid of it.

Cristina: But even it mentioned the sea people.

Jack: I don't mean. I guess it would because it's just right on the walls of the Egyptians in the Mayan temples.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know, there's something weird about that because like, if they're trying to keep a secret and hide and everything, why would they also be like.

Jack: I think they're hiding their location, okay, not themselves. I mean, they hid so much about themselves that hearing their name doesn't matter.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know how hard we've had to work to just piece this s*** together.

Cristina: And we don't really know what they're called. Yeah, like just refer to sea people. Makes no sense anymore because they don't.

Jack: Live in the sea, they live in the ocean. Yeah, but either way, who cares what we call them? Yeah, like their name doesn't matter. That's like watching the Walking dead and somebody scared to say their name. And it's like, dude, what could they do with your name? They don't have computers. I can search you up and find your house.

Cristina: Yeah, like it doesn't matter.

Jack: Whatever sea people, we call one of them, Bob, for all we know, it doesn't like affect anything. Yeah, it's just like. Yeah, whatever. See, people. It's as accurate as anything else we could call them. But yeah, they are referring to the same people, written the same.

Cristina: I wish we had other stories though about them.

Jack: Very little. There's very little. We gotta surmise what their plan is based on everything around them and what's.

Cristina: Jesus up to and what Jesus did.

Jack: Jesus is the closest thing we have to records of the sea people.

Cristina: But like, that doesn't mean he knows anything about them or has any plans for Adam and Eve or anything. Or do we assume he does?

Jack: We do. Everything is an assumption we gotta go based on everybody else's things. That's why we can't answer a bunch of these questions. We've gotten far as h*** for not having a bunch of information.

Cristina: Yeah. Wondering what happened with these plants. Are they just gone?

Jack: Did the sea people plants actually completely drop off mention after some time? Even in Zoroastrianism, it completely trails off. Funny enough, after the death of Jesus.

Cristina: I think he has something to do with that because he wants people to do blood sacrifices. Or not him specifically, but this thing that's probably communicating with him.

Jack: Then in the Knights, the Knights Templars version Of things would have mentioned that. So that people use that instead. Well, no, because they don't want them either. They don't want people to do this either.

Cristina: No, they don't want. Yeah.

Jack: Jesus is winning. Because the sea people have hit every other access point.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The desperate access point is adrenochrome. And because it's the only one people have access to, everybody does that one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they had the plant, they'd do that instead of get addicted to some s***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If they had unicorns, they'd use that instead of getting addicted to some s***. If they had the fruits, they'd use that instead of getting addicted to some s***. If they had them out and they'd go through there instead of getting addicted to some s***.

Cristina: So then why.

Jack: But they don't.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Everybody ends up on the blood sacrifices of adrenochrome variants. Ambrosia, nectar and ichor. Because they don't have any of the other things.

Cristina: So I don't see people, the bad guys at the end of the day.

Jack: No, because they're still trying to stop people. The bad guys are the ones still trying to get there through these bad ways. The idea is nobody get there.

Cristina: Nobody. Nobody gets sea people.

Jack: The sea people are also not going there. They don't use adrenochrome. And as far as we know, we have no proof that they cross. Besides that they have unicorns, they also have the apples. That doesn't mean they use any of it.

Cristina: There's no proof whether they do or don't use them.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. We have no proof. We can't say anything that we cannot prove. As far as we know, there's no way to tell.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where we are.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So Soma is our fourth. Unless we count Mount Kaf, the literal access point of which is one of many. Because the Vikings believed if you kill enough people in a surrounding area. But that's just to communicate. That's not to bridge through.

Cristina: No, that's just communicating with God.

Jack: Yeah. So the access point does exist. I guess. That's five different ways to get to the same location. Soma, Mount Kaath, Adrenochrome, the apple and Alicorn.

Cristina: Not every mountain. This specific mountain.

Jack: This specific mountain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Although it's possible other mountains lead to other realms. Yeah, and not just mountains. But downward directions take us to certain places. River Styx is an example.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And following the roots of the tree, another weird example. You could land at a gate of some sort. The route really crossing through dimensions, through realms, I guess. Yeah. Not dimensions through realms. Anyways, that's what we got. That's what we got. That's where we are.

Cristina: That's a lot. That's a lot and so little.

Jack: Yeah, we didn't answer anything, but we got way more questions, which sucks, I guess. More places to look, I suppose. Anyways, if you guys want to contact us about these things, talk to us about it, you can contact us on all our socials. Usconville pod us, on TikTok, on Facebook, on Instagram, on X. Now that it's not Twitter, is it.

Cristina: Really being called X though?

Jack: Yeah, I mean, it's Twitter ultimately, but yeah, Twitter X. X.

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Cristina: Help us get there.

Jack: Yes, please. Anything you know is a step forward.

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July 15, 2023

Rambling 234: The Sound of Freedom

July 15, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why is there such a strong push to suppress the documentary The Sound of Freedom? What is it that is so important to keep hidden? And how does this connect back to the ongoing narrative relative to child molestation and predatory behavior? The duo unpack the suppression effort for The Sound of Freedom and in doing so come across a single term that re-frames the entire narrative up to this point.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

The Sound of Freedom
JP Morgan Deleted Emails
Epstein’s Island
Human Trafficking
Blood Rituals and Organ Consumption
The Crucifixion
Adrenochrome
Ambrosia
Nectar
Ichor

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I. I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And today we have some horrible things to discuss because United States of America is sinking into some kind of horrific thing lately. So let's unpack these baffling, quite, quite literally, extremely baffling scenarios that we're dealing with right now and then try to find out why the f*** the case might be.

Cristina: Is it just in America or are we just talking about America?

Jack: Talking about America. I don't know necessarily. Yeah, I have no idea. Okay, well, any case, what specifically what we're talking about? Yes, this is a hundred percent Justin America. Okay, so we're gonna begin by mentioning that there's the film, the Sound of Freedom that everybody should go and f****** watch at this point. The suppression effort that's happening to not put this movie in front of the world tells me, everybody, I don't give a f*** who you are, go watch the movie. Obviously, don't take your f****** children. That's weird. That's problematic. Adults, anybody 16 or older, let's say go get informed, go watch this film. Because if elite people don't want you to see it, it's probably something you should know about.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Simple. The logic is simple. If people with the power don't want the little guy to see it, you should probably go watch it before it disappears.

Cristina: Think they could have. They could do that?

Jack: I don't know, man. They're doing everything in their power to suppress it. So we'll begin by saying people who have tried to watch this have experienced incredibly. Have experienced incredibly weird things in theaters. So they go to watch the Sound of Freedom. By the way, this is a movie produced by Mel Gibson. Famous actors, famous directors, just a whole thing. Documentary about human trafficking. Mel Gibson's name slapped all over this. Now people go to watch this in theaters and the movie, they get told, oh no, it's not working. We'll give you tickets to go watch something else. They go watch it in theaters and dac, only for that film is broken. They go watch it in theaters and the movie glitches and loops over a certain part, not continuing the film, oh no, it's broken. We can give you tickets to go watch another one. People go watch this movie in theaters, their tickets get canceled and say, oh, something messed up in the theater. We refunded you. The money, you can use the credit for something else. People go watch this movie in theater, it says it's sold out. They get inside, there's nobody but them.

Cristina: That's creepy.

Jack: All of this is weird.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Very, very, very weird. Consistently. We are talking go on Instagram. You guys don't have to take my word for any of this. You guys do not have to take over for any of this. Go on Instagram, go on Facebook, go on Twitter. TikTok is preferred because that's the only thing actively not being censored. 20. Go to TikTok and just type in the Sound of Freedom and you're gonna see that there is a absurdly consistent amount, 200, 300, 400 thousands of these videos happening all the time. Why? Who the f*** knows? Somebody doesn't want you to watch this movie a lot, which means you should probably be watching this movie a lot. The fact that somebody doesn't want you to see it tells you more than you need to know. But let's veer off in a different direction for a moment. We know that recently, JP Morgan deleted 47 million emails connected to the Jeffrey Epstein case that included bank statements and visitor lists.

Cristina: Okay. We talked about this in the last.

Jack: Podcast, in a couple of podcasts recently. Yes. And just. Oopsie. Oopsie. We deleted all the information that had the names of all the people who visited that island. Oopsie. We, J.P. morgan. Oopsie. Keep in mind, the entirety didn't disappear at JP Morgan's. A s*** ton of it did. They gave in what was left. And. Oh, my God. When it's in the hands of the United States government's judicial system, the rest of it disappeared. Oh, no. What are the odds of this? It's crazy. What a crazy coincidence.

Cristina: Weird south park bank situation.

Jack: Yep. And it's gone.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: It's like, okay, now somebody claims victimhood towards a giant company for whatever reason. You, as a giant company, we're in America. You refute the living f*** out of it. These companies don't give a f*** about people. They refute the living s*** out of anything to keep their money, especially when it's $290 million. But JP Morgan was absolutely fine with a settlement for $290 million for the victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, they're gonna pay them off. They're absolutely okay with doing this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're just gonna settle and pay off all the victims because you're good people. This is why they're doing it. They're doing it because they're good. People. Oh, Jeffrey Epstein did these things? Oh, yeah, he's connected. He was banking with us. Oh. You know, we were vaguely connected without knowing. Without knowing keywords here. Yeah, sure. Look, we're gonna totally. As a good hearted company in the United States of America, like always happens with big companies like us. We're actively just gonna give you $290 million to these victims. Now we can prove big pharma has created the opioid crisis. We can connect directly to them every f****** thing that has happened. Without a doubt. We took them to court, presented them with this s***, and they still, still fought to not settle with irrefutable proof. They were still like, f*** that s***. This money is ours. They did the little sketchy s***, fired a bunch of people with bonuses intentionally so they can't take hits. They did it everything under the sun to not lose money.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But J.P. morgan, not only have they always been sketchy as f*** and have hella losses, but no, no, no. Now we're suddenly good hearted.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now we're good guys. And we're gonna give you way more money. Way more money. Take it all. We're good for it. We apologize for Epstein's involvement. We didn't know Here. A bunch of money.

Cristina: Mm. What do you think is happening?

Jack: I don't know. But this very believable so far. Totally. I believe everything I'm being told about this. The government just happened to delete the rest of it. J.P. morgan happened to the accidents and then. Glad to pay. We're glad to pay, of course. Totally. This doesn't seem absolutely. Like some sort of Twilight Zone version of reality right now. This isn't. This totally what we've seen always. This is always what happens, right? This is always what happens, right? The people own up. All these giant mega super corporations always own up. This is exactly how it always goes, right? Am I wrong? Am I always crazy here? Anyways, anyways, gladly. They go ahead and say they're gonna settle for a 290 million dollar settlement. Get the out of here. Because of the relationship that was with.

Cristina: Epstein that they didn't know about.

Jack: They didn't know about.

Cristina: They're so innocent.

Jack: Super innocent. But you know what? We. We apologize for the involvement in here. But. But the most important thing about this is that these emails contained the depth of the relationship that they had with Epstein. How he was allegedly funneling money through them with them, and the listings of the people who paid to go through the. To the island that went through J.P. morgan.

Cristina: He was.

Jack: Yeah. He needed to confirm Real payment. Trust. You're gonna drop off a briefcase of money and I'll leave here alive. Get the out of here. That money better have a paper trail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He was smart about it.

Cristina: But the bank was like. Though.

Jack: The bank was like, no, you know what? So you know, innocents are innocent. They had no stake in this. It just so happened that these emails were. Somebody fell over and pressed a button and whoops. Exactly. The ones that needed to be seen got deleted. Whoops.

Cristina: How many of those people were involved on the island?

Jack: Huh?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: And how many people in the government after they got whatever the f*** was left and the rest. Like, what? What? But whatever. Whatever. What we're being told is totally what happened. Jeffrey Epstein totally committed suicide in prison immediately after he got there because he felt guilty. You know? That's what happened. He felt so guilty about the situation that he thought it was necessary for him to kill himself. What I do is so horrible. Now that I'm in prison. I've seen the error of my ways. I will kill myself because I don't deserve to continue living. It's not that people are scared that I'm a dude. That they're clearly gonna ask me who was there. And I will rat people out for a plea because I'm a die in this hole. So you give me a plea deal of any kind. I'm taking whatever the f****** rat. I'm Tekashi69ing the f*** out of here. It wasn't that he would totally not do that. Epstein. Nah. He's a man of honor. He killed himself out of honor.

Cristina: That's what happened.

Jack: So far so good. Right? Okay. We're following this narrative. It's on point. Everything we've been told is absolutely true.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So sound the freedom happens. This film about human trafficking somehow minorly related. You know, Jeffrey Epstein had some human trafficking miners landing on the island that were getting shafted by rich adults. Whatever. Whatever. Nobody was connected to this man. He did it alone. And the people who showed up on his island. Ghosts. They weren't even real people. Aliens arrived and f***** kids. That's totally what happened here. Nobody was involved on that island. Anyways, this movie comes around. And let's be real. Hollywood is well known for its activism. They want to stand up for gay rights. Everybody's going to do the thing Covid happens. Everybody's going to sing a song together about climate change. We're going to support all the things and support everything that has to do with everything. Because it's about people. Hollywood is about taking Care of people. Hollywood is about Black Lives Matter. It's about inclusivity. It's about trans people.

Cristina: It's about what's popular right now. What sad thing is popular.

Jack: What sad thing is popular? It's about what issue is pressing.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: I don't know why you're mocking them. It's about what issue is pressing. These are honest people, true people. Come the sound of freedom and not a f****** peep. Nope. Not one celebrity is pushing this one. I wonder why. What are the odds. I wonder what's happening that they. Oh, no, I can't. This is bad.

Cristina: Celebrities who are against trafficking minors. What are those celebrities saying?

Jack: Nothing. Because now there's a movie showing where, when and how. So even if they were against it publicly, if the camera is aiming towards somewhere you have clearly been, suddenly, oh, f***. Oh, snap. Indeed, only the celebrities that are currently at this moment, outspoken are the ones that can be trusted. Dana White publicly stated, I will give everybody in my company who wants to see this film a ticket to go see it for free. And I advise every other company to do the same thing.

Cristina: There's a burnt actor, though, that supposedly he cares about this topic. And I can't remember his name. The guy from the seven week show. Michael Kelso.

Jack: Ashton Kutcher.

Cristina: Ashton Kutcher. Did he say anything?

Jack: Have you seen him say anything?

Cristina: No, I haven't.

Jack: Then I don't know. I haven't heard him say anything either.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: The fact that this not being publicized like, I'm giving you what I know.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And as of now, nobody's bringing attention to themselves about this.

Cristina: Okay, simple.

Jack: Now, how is that possible? How is it possible that Hollywood, that's so obsessed with all the current issues in the world get presented with the. This thing? And they're like, nah, we got other important things to talk about. You mean telling. You're telling me that the trafficking of children for sex is not some pressing issue. You guys are just like, nah, but okay, whatever. Totally. There's nothing wrong here. So this movie gets made and it gets, you know, Mel Gibson's trying to do his thing, push it wherever he can, but nobody's picking it up. So he takes it to the people who support all the pressing issues. He goes straight to the most publicly stated place ever, Netflix. And Netflix is like, nah, psych, bro. We do documentaries. We care about all the issues. We want to fight all the bad things. Not that one, though. All the other things. The same company that gladly put little kids, little girls half naked on their screen. Don't want a film about little kids naked getting f***** in the real world and how we can stop it. Oh, there's a pattern here. Looks like a lot of elite people aren't touching this discussion. They're staying specifically away from any relation to something that might expose something. Everybody in power.

Cristina: Everyone's a pedophile.

Jack: Well, we've established this before. Yeah, something about power equals children. Or something about children equals power. There's something going on.

Cristina: Disturbing.

Jack: Disturbing. As news media outlets are either not talking about it at all or are actively trying to slander it and toss it into a conspiracy theory realm.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, okay, you're saying that it's Q. I don't know how related relating that to it.

Jack: Well, not literally to QAnon, but saying it's a QAnon esque type of scenario.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again, why aren't you guys, the people about doing what's right about LGBT rights and about. But no, because now we got people marching down the street saying, we're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children. And people passing laws. California. I don't know what the f*** is happening with California, but California, who's passing laws to kidnap kids from their families, put them into foster care, chop their dicks off and plant some t****** on them, put puberty blockers on everybody to keep them young. Huh?

Cristina: What is happening over there?

Jack: We know people disappear in the foster system all the time. They just vanish. So you're taking kids from their parents legally, putting them into foster care legally, and then giving them puberty blockers to keep them children legally, and then they disappear in these systems legally to where? Another island?

Cristina: You think there's another island?

Jack: I don't know.

Cristina: There should be a backup island, right? I don't know.

Jack: It's just where the. What's the point of all of this? And why is California the center of kid trafficking? Why are Californian politicians so excited to take children and show them penises and show them drag queens and show them vaginas and read them books about giving other people oral and a*** and don't want their parents to know? Because obviously if the parents know, parents are. Put a f****** stop to that s***. So we pass them laws so the parents can't be informed, then we're not going to get in trouble for it. And we pass some laws that we can just take the kids from the parents and put them into foster care. And we pass some laws that we can give these kids purity blockers which will keep them young and don't allow them to go through puberty. What the f***? California.

Cristina: Maybe they're in a new island. They can't actually take another island.

Jack: They're the new island. I guess. I guess the system is. I mean, we know the United States is a terrorist country, but this is a whole other f****** level.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Like we're you. We're not even terrorists. We're just human traffic country. That's where we're f****** headed with this s***. We couldn't just be cowboys. We got a f****** rape.

Cristina: All the kids probably doing that.

Jack: We were, but illegally. Now we just pass. We're legislating to make it so we can just do it in front of people.

Cristina: For showing the truth. With the kids in the cages. He let us know that that's what we're about. And now they're like, you guys know already. So let's be public about it.

Jack: Yeah, we're going to be public about it. You guys can't do anything about it. We run the system.

Cristina: It's horrible.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty up. What's going on. Now, recently, which we also talked about, this politician is at a meeting at a political hearing and he is talking about human trafficking of children for organ. For organ sales. For sex trafficking.

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: No, for satanic rituals and for things like. Adrenochrome. Yeah, for things of that nature. Our organ harvesting. And like this man says this out loud, publicly, live, so it couldn't be edited. It probably got edited afterwards. And lies spread like wildfire. But the live full, uncut version could still be found. And this man falls out of his 15th story window that he has lived out for 10 years. Falls out of the story, two days later, dies at the bottom while smoking. He goes smoke every f****** day. Somehow, two days later, it's just. That's. That's the one time he slipped or something. Sorry. Whoops. Huh?

Cristina: It was a heart attack or something.

Jack: I mean, I guess he. Yeah, he probably had a. That's what they said, he had a heart attack.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: But he was smoking out the window and you fell to his death is the point. And what a coincidence. You know, just get. Just by chance. Just by chance, you know, it was just smoking. It was. He does it every day. It was gonna happen eventually. Of course it's gonna happen eventually. So you follow this logic and you dig a little while investigating, you type in some keywords here and there and you come across Mel Gibson again. You come across Mel Gibson in the past. Mel Gibson talking about a recent Interaction he had at a celebrity gathering in a remote location. They were recording. This was the after party. There's a hanging out and things got a little strange. Vibe Wise knew something was up. He knew something was up. And he was offered some things that were odd. He was offered, you know, he didn't say children. He had no moments like kids. But there were some young girls. Could have been 18. He doesn't know.

Cristina: He doesn't know.

Jack: I'm not into that. They're absolutely too young for me. I'm not into that. Man of God, Christian guys. Like, I'm not into. I'm not doing that.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Could have been 18 for all he knows. He said they look exceptionally young, but, you know, there's a bunch of exceptionally young 18 year olds. That's a whole market in the p*** industry. So whatever. I'm not into that. You guys do what you gotta do. But the vibe was off and he was a little concerned. But also they were offering the VIP drink. The VIP drink. It was like, I don't like anything I am hearing right now. And I absolutely. You offered me this after I said no to that? This does not sound right. I don't know what's in that, but I'm not taking that because I said no to this and that made you offer me that. I don't care how VIP that is.

Cristina: What do you think is the VIP drink?

Jack: I don't know. What do you think the VIP drink is?

Cristina: Adrenochrome.

Jack: Adrenochrome. But yeah. So this is the situation. He gets offered that thing, and in the same kind of interview discussion he's having, he states that this is so f****** weird and so strange that he's gonna go out of his way to investigate this. But he knows that even so much as beginning this path, they will go out of his way to destroy his life.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Couple of years later, Mel Gibson's life starts to fall apart. They're calling him crazy. The media goes out of its way to only show, like they did the Trump videos, only of him intentionally edited, so he looks like he's going crazy at random moments, having random outbursts at random moments. They went out of their way to destroy his reputation. So he is not a credible person. But we know that the media did that with Trump, because now the full length version of all these videos are showing up. And it turns out nothing that the media said about Trump was correct. All of it was always fabricated. Which, by the way, to the left are, what are you guys gonna do now that you can See the lie?

Cristina: Well, they succeeded when they needed to.

Jack: Yeah. Now you can't do s*** about it. Now, as you guys see the line, we're like, wow, we should have voted. You should have thought harder, too. But whatever you ate, whatever they fed you, it's the same as a headline. They headlined you with video.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: They just showed you the headline of the video. That's it. Only caught these people in mass. Important detail with the Mel Gibson thing. The thing he set out to make seems to be the Sound of Freedom.

Cristina: Okay, right.

Jack: Sound of Freedom. One of the creators mentioned something very, very, very specific. He said what the politician said, these kids aren't just being taken for sex and organ harvesting. These kids are being taken for weird, satanic, diabolical rituals. And he specifically said what the politician said for adrenochrome. But when the reporter asks, adrenochrome, isn't that just some conspiracy? He responds, no. And it even has a street name so that it could bypass people like you who fall for that ambrosia.

Cristina: He just shares like that.

Jack: Shares ambrosia. I've heard this before.

Cristina: How?

Jack: But I did not. I don't know.

Cristina: That's so weird.

Jack: I've heard the word before. I don't know what the f*** it was, but I've heard the word before. I know what the word was. The word isn't necessarily related to adrenochrome. Again, it's a slang for this thing. But there is. Ambrosia just means food.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But that's how you heard it then.

Jack: Yeah, obviously. Okay, so I've heard the word before. It's been used. And I. I've heard the word before, but I've never heard it expressed as one, who the f*** says ambrosia instead of just food? And two, why would anybody conclude adrenochrome when you hear the word ambrosia? So in either case, it's just like. Okay. Just some weird word that means nothing.

Cristina: I'm glad you didn't say pizza.

Jack: Weird. Right. But I think that's referring to the rituals or the organ harvesting. One or the other.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think these are code words for real things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But ambrosia, I go ahead and I. You know, Freemason's library type of s***. We dig deep, deep. We got all the things. We just need the beginning. All the information that has ever existed is there because they got it probably from Atlanteans or some s***. I don't know. It's there, all of it. So we go ahead and we start looking and ambrosia. Let's unpack first. Again, street name for adrenochrome. That is actually confirmable. But there are a couple of versions of this all called ambrosia that are all more or less the same thing. There are different versions of adrenochrome.

Cristina: I don't understand what you mean exactly. What are you talking about?

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yeah, but, like, what do you mean by that?

Jack: That there's different versions of it?

Cristina: What does that mean? What does different versions of adrenochrome mean?

Jack: Oh, obviously I'm gonna explain that. I will get there when time is necessary. But let's follow the origin, which is gonna answer a surprising amount of questions we did not know we should have been asking. Okay, so the first appearance of the word ambrosia goes way back. We're talking before Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, I thought you go straight to the Bible.

Jack: No, this predates the Bible by quite a bit.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Ambrosia is quite specifically the food that the Greek gods used to eat. They used to have ambrosia with nectar. Nectar being the liquid, ambrosia being the food.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now let us establish that children are taken for organ harvesting and blood rituals. The ambrosia and the nectar.

Cristina: So it's not just about adrenochrome.

Jack: It is. Both of those things fall under adrenochrome. Okay, but that's not even where it gets spicy.

Cristina: Okay, so that sounds pretty spicy, but.

Jack: Okay, let's find out what ambrosia does. If a mortal were to consume ambrosia, a mortal would then be granted youth immortality and, wait for it, special abilities that. Equal to a demigod. Ah, so familiar. Interesting enough. The same thing would occur if you had the nectar of the gods.

Cristina: The same exact thing.

Jack: The same exact thing oftentimes referred to as the elixir of life, which we've all heard in many iterations. Yeah, all kinds of.

Cristina: But who knew?

Jack: It just meant detector and adreno and the ambrosia, which are just two different versions of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The plot thickens. But let's talk about the nectar. Simple. Just for information sake. It's always closely related to ambrosia, always alongside of it. Because it is the drink. Keep in mind the implications here suggest that human sacrifices must be made in order for the Greek gods to have eaten at all. Just. Okay, that is the obvious conclusion to make here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, this food was forbidden for mortals because you're not allowed to become a God. You'd be punished.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If you consumed children, the gods Would kill you for trying to be one of them.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, that makes sense.

Jack: It makes sense. It's a sin, essentially.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: For mortals to do this, but it's.

Cristina: Absolutely fine for the gods.

Jack: For the gods. Now let us move back about. Not back. Let us move forward about 3,000 years and this time go straight to the Bible.

Cristina: Already thinking about it.

Jack: Jehovah was totally down with telling a dude to do what to his son. Right When a bunch of people weren't obeying God. God was absolutely fine with telling the angel of death to go fetch who.

Cristina: The babies babies were for him.

Jack: It's like, I'll eat your kids. Whatever, dude.

Cristina: Yeah, that's what I thought straight up. Like, that was the first thought. I wasn't even thinking about that guy and his child. I was like, these babies?

Jack: Nah. I thought, it's all just lines up real quick.

Cristina: What kind of person or God, I guess. Let's get the babies.

Jack: Yeah. Interesting enough.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: This lines up so perfectly with the eye. And I don't know how the. We didn't connect those dots before. Like, obviously. Obviously. I don't know why we needed this piece to connect that. And then suddenly like, oh, no, duh, duh.

Cristina: They all sound the same.

Jack: All these gods all the same s***. But what do we know about adrenochrome? And what do we know about the gods? They can either use. We didn't even know they can use the adrenochrome. We only knew they could use the fear. Yeah, but it wasn't even the actual way we thought about it because a lot of the time that's for the people from the shadow realm. The ones from this side need the adrenochrome. Of course the ones from the other side use a fear. We were f***** up in how we were thinking about the gods. The gods don't need the fear. That doesn't make any f****** sense. You need the fear if you're coming from the shadow realm. Only the ones from the shadow realm need the fear. We were wrong. Wrong, huh? A hundred percent of the time. In order to sustain their power. On this end, it was not fear.

Cristina: It's adrenochrome.

Jack: It was adrenochrome the whole f****** time. It's been in the Bible. It's been in f****** ancient Greek texts. It's in the f****** Torah. It's every. It's in all of it. It's in all of it. It's mentioned so f****** often. It's everywhere. The kids must die in order for the power to exist.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Something about purity. The purity of it. Something. Some f****** thing. It's always been the case.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now let us dive a little deeper. Those who consume ambrosia have a liquid in their body that runs through their veins that is not blood anymore. It's called ichor. That's what courses through their veins. Additionally, ichor is the natural blood of the gods.

Cristina: That's from the same stories.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Gods. Greek gods have ichor in their body. And people who consume adrenochrome also no longer have blood and then have ichor in their bodies. Now, interesting details about this ichor. From gods, I guess. From mortals who've taken it as well. Because now they're demigods. They. It's. It's toxic and absolutely deadly to mortals. It will. One shot a mortal. Okay, not the important detail. If you give ichor to a mortal that has already died, you can bring them back to life. That sounds very familiar.

Cristina: Jesus.

Jack: Not just Jesus. Say the word. Say the word.

Cristina: You gotta give me a head.

Jack: There's one creature that you need to drink their blood, and then you come back.

Cristina: Uniforms.

Jack: No.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Vampires.

Cristina: Vampires. Duh.

Jack: Duh.

Cristina: Duh.

Jack: Vampires.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Thinking of Jesus as a vampire because.

Jack: He'S the first vampire.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes. Vampires. Duh. Okay.

Jack: Jesus is dead. They don't give Jesus adrenochrome. He was still a dude. He could die.

Cristina: It gave them his blood.

Jack: Ichor. And he came back to life.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And now he seeks adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To sustain the state. That is no different than had he just had a dream of drone.

Cristina: Because he can live forever, but now.

Jack: He can live forever. Yes.

Cristina: Yes. The problem is still. Of losing your mind.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: About it.

Jack: Yes. Yes.

Cristina: That could be a reason why they needed to kill Epstein. Also, besides the many, many, many, many, many, many, many, many reasons to do it. Like, without any supply, he would eventually.

Jack: Epstein's not dead.

Cristina: Oh, you think? Wait. No.

Jack: If Epstein dies in the prison, then we got proof he's dead. We can take him now, guys. But he's already been dealing with the children. It's either only a matter of time before he comes back, or you just take him somewhere to give him the other thing. We didn't know there was something you can give people to bring them back from the f****** dead. We just knew that if you had adrenochrome, you don't really die. You morph and then just come back up. But if you're actually f****** dead, we have the f****** way to bring you back. You don't need adrenochrome. There is a different version of adrenochrome. Ichor. If you're dead, we can give that to you. It does everything adrenochrome does, and it'll bring you back from the dead.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Epstein didn't need to kill himself. He probably did. Epstein probably killed himself? Let's be real. Epstein probably killed himself anew. If I land in f****** prison, I'm just gonna off myself. You guys publicize the s*** out of that. Make me disappear, and then f****** give me this s***. And we're good.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: He sold adrenochrome. At no moment are we to believe he necessarily took adrenochrome. There's nothing to tell us he did. He was the merchant. You don't consume your own supply. Oh, street rules. We could prove he was dead. There was a lot of proof he was dead. That was an important detail. That was necessary detail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then we just dispose of him. Of course. Questions we didn't even f****** consider.

Cristina: What? Oh, my gosh. Wow. I didn't know this was even more complicated. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: It just gets so deep now. Fascinating bits of detail. If Jesus is our first actual case that isn't a God because gods went out of their way, but it was known about. Enough to have written in that mortals can be brought back by would mean that although we have no examples of it written down and no lore about it, Jesus must not have been the first. Okay, he's just the first one on record. And also what makes him important is he's the first Atlantean, the first Persian Gulf oasis civilian, the first sea person to have, at least on record, taken a version of the now blanket term adrenochrome, which can either be the nectar, ambrosia, or ichor. And knowing that ambrosia and nectar aren't gonna do s*** to somebody dead by process of elimination, we can actually have him die on the f****** cross and still have him come back later. Both statements be true because of ichor. See, everything in the Bible could be true because of ichor. He did get crucified. He did f****** die. But he also got betrayed by his own people because there was something off about this kid that was alluring people towards this place that we need to f****** hide. So send the kid out. He's not born yet. He's gonna be born somewhere, and he's never gonna see our new home. Nobody can have visions of him in our new home. After he's born. Bring the moment. Kid lives a life confused about who he is. Kind of gets an idea, associates himself with the wrong person. He thinks I'm the son of this guy because I'm overpowered and so is he. And whatever the case might be. Yes, starts preaching that word. Maybe he's been manipulated by Jehovah of Dark the whole time.

Cristina: Mm, probably.

Jack: Probably. And he gets his mind warped. And like, your people don't love you. They've rejected you. Think about it. I'm your father. I'm who's been watching over you this whole time. I'm who's been taking care of you. I guided you. I give you abilities. I show you how to do your thing.

Cristina: And then what? And he betrays them?

Jack: Well, they go out of their way. As he starts to dig deeper and find things that could potentially give him the abilities required, he, perhaps because there's already text about it, finds out about ambrosia, finds out about nectar, and goes out of his way to find it. Enter the Knights Templar. Enter the maji. Enter the sea, people. We have to sadly deal with this kid. Turn all these. You guys do what you do and turn all these people against them. He needs to stop, because then he's gonna direct people right to our door. Yeah, he gets crew. They turn everybody against him. He gets crucified and dies.

Cristina: But he doesn't.

Jack: No, he does.

Cristina: I mean, yes, he does. But then they give him that stuff.

Jack: Give him ichor. They take his dead corpse out of the f****** hole they threw it in, they give it ichor, and it comes back to life with the abilities that ichor would give you, which are the same that you would get from ambrosia and are the same you would get from nectar, which are all. All three. Just a different version of adrenochrome.

Cristina: Now he needs it forever.

Jack: Now he needs it. Now he needs it. But not only that, his homies are gonna get it too. You guys were loyal to me straight through. And it doesn't matter what the f*** these other people told you. You guys were always loyal to me.

Cristina: So you think he gave it to them all?

Jack: His homies got it. As many as he could get it to, his homies got it. And look, as soon as it's your time, we're gonna do the thing. We're gonna f****** die. We're gonna make sure you end up on the other side.

Cristina: Well, I think they got it so.

Jack: That they could go to the Shadow Realm. Why do you think he's building so many gates? Everybody. He's building an army of some sort.

Cristina: I thought he was trying to get things over there. Over here?

Jack: Yes. And if you take adrenochrome and you die on this end, you end up in the Shadow Realm anyways. But now there's a gate that allows from over there into this side.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Simple. My friends never have to die. He has the Dragon Balls.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: He broke the f****** system. And probably with the help of Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Yes, okay. But for what?

Jack: Oh, no. There has always been three versions of Atrinochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And they were essentially background noise.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: We didn't know. We didn't know they were there.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: They were invisible to us because we.

Cristina: Thought they were all one thing.

Jack: We thought they were all one thing. We're treating them all as one thing. They're just blood. Just child's blood. Specifically adrenalized child's blood. But it doesn't even seem like the adrenaline matters. It seems like that's just a way to make it more potent. Maybe. Maybe make it stronger. Discovered later.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Or something. On the flip side, some gods must have known, because if you think about the rituals of bringing the virgin up to the pit, where everybody is watching and cheering on before you push them in, there is a ritual of building fear in the individual before you sacrifice them to the God.

Cristina: These versions were probably very young.

Jack: Yes. Well, virgin is what's telling us are young.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Specifically because girls in the past would get married at 9, 10, or 11.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means if you're virgin.

Cristina: Because, like, they didn't have a word for children. So it's virgins. That's the word.

Jack: Exactly. A virgin was extra. Extra. Extra.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Five, six, seven.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Horrified. Everybody's cheering on the death of this young one. And they got some vague, loose concept. They're horrified anyways. Even if they don't.

Cristina: If they know they're gonna die.

Jack: Maybe they don't. They're young. Young. I don't know if they know, but they're horrified as the circumstance. Regardless.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a crazy moment. People cheering and they're the focus of attention, which horrifies a child. And you can throw them into either fire pit or just a hole or something in honor of your God. You're building the fear. There's a whole ceremony about scaring the individual first, then killing them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And in this moment, two of the three things are provided. You throw the whole being in there. The blood is there, which is the nectar, and the organs are there, which is the ambrosia.

Cristina: Yes, perfect, Perfect.

Jack: The only way to get the ichor is from a God. Think about that real quick. The only way to get the ichor is from a God. But Jesus Christ was given ichor. And we know, we know because we've established this before with regional differences. Before they were people, there was some sort of f****** war between the gods. Zeus stood to his side, Jehovah of Dark stood to his side, or of light, whatever the case, whoever the was running the Israel side of things, because that's still sort of unclear, stood to his side. Division of gods happened after there was who knows how long of unity of gods. Now there is a God that the sea people avoid, and we're assuming that is Jehovah of Dark. Yes, Jehovah Dark is a sketchy individual and a crafty one, it seems. Maybe he's been around for longer than the sea people because again, there's a f****** mountain that allowed him access in and out. Mount Kopf was there. Mount Kaf just so happens to be very, very, very close to Greece. Not like Israel. That's down, down, down. No, we're up here. Closer. Much closer. So Jehovah of Dark has access to the Greek gods, and somehow Jesus gets a hold of ichor that brings him back to life. And we don't hear of the Greek gods for as long as we do hear about Jesus. Paint me that picture real quick. We stop hearing about the Greek gods when we start hearing about Jesus. Jesus, that's too close in proximity. Do you see what's happening?

Cristina: No.

Jack: How do you not see what's happening? You can only get ichor from gods. We stop hearing about the Greek gods when we do start hearing about Jesus. What happened? That is an obvious painting there saying he killed them. Yes. Something happened to the Greek gods that allowed Jesus to get a hold of the ichor that they specifically refer to the Greek God. Specifically refer to. Jesus found out about that from some Greek texts, or whoever brought him back found out about it from the Greek texts. The mountain, Mount Ka, that causes this fear, this problem falls in line with the fact that the Greek also had a problem with the sea people. The sea people who had an issue with the thing on Mount Kaf. The only thing that brought these people together was whatever this mutual force was. We never understood what force, why it is that you guys would call them problematic, but you guys would just kind of change, chill in the same region for whatever reason. It's a mutual enemy. That's why all the overpowered beings that existed around the same time, although they did not like each other, had one mutual enemy. And that kept them all like, we'll have war with each other, but we're not gonna get rid of each other.

Cristina: And the enemy is the shadow realm. The shadow realm, okay.

Jack: The things that are not from this Earth. Okay, but they're from the other side. That's the issue. That's the same reason that Christianity went out of its way. To do what to all the creatures that had come from the other side when they went to Ireland? Send them all back. There was a bunch of effort done by all the different groups from all the different religions and all of the gods of this side of Earth to together, to collectively, even if we don't agree, even if we as gods had a war and we divided sections of the world, and you see over there, and I see over here, we got one mutual goal, and it's we're gonna send whoever the f*** our descendants are to get rid of the creatures from the f****** shadow realm. Everybody has the same f****** story, but.

Cristina: They lost this war around Jesus time. Yeah.

Jack: They didn't lose the war and lose the war. The Greeks are still there. We've heard of other gods. There's just a very specific Olympian God thing that just ended around the time that we got Jesus. Somebody had to be sacrificed for him.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And don't know how it was done. No, we're talking about some overpowered beings who had it figured out for a while.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like they got to stalemate with Jehovah. That's some pretty op s***.

Cristina: We have no idea what happened.

Jack: We have no idea what happened. We have no idea what happened.

Jack: We just know. Oh, Greek gods just vanished no more. And, oh, yeah, we're now gonna focus on the story of this guy who just came back to life this. Unrelated. Unrelated. Yeah. So for the millionth time, for the millionth f****** time, another piece falls into this giant picture that seems to cover all of Earth and seems to involve every religion and seems to involve every government and seems to always involve the shadow realm, the sea people. The sea people, and Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Always. Always, always, always, always, always, always comes.

Cristina: Back to one of those three.

Jack: The shadow realm, Adrenochrome, and the sea people. Always, without f****** exception. Everything. At this point, I believe we can choose random f****** topics, follow them back. We know. We know that when we're talking about, and we've established this a long time ago, that when we're talking about the Chupacabra, we have to make two different scenarios for this. Because there's some biological horror that got out that survives kind of off of blood, which means they were experimenting with either improving adrenochrome or some s***. And this thing, this creature, one of the many creatures that has been exposed to it. And there's some kind of freak of nature dependent on it, feral and out there attacking random s*** just to get more is absolutely different then whatever extraterrestrial kind of being, godlike, overpowered thing came from space looking for exactly the same f****** s*** that you can only get from mortal creatures on this planet. It only exists in biology with blood. This thing that creates abilities that gives immortality. Those are just absolutely two random scenarios that we can just directly connect back. We've talked about it before. They just connect back at random.

Cristina: A lot of our topics.

Jack: A lot of our topics always connect back at random. Just if you dig deep enough to anything, it ends up at the sea people, Adrenochrome or the shadow realm, oftentimes two or more.

Cristina: That's so that's. That's really interesting. I wonder if the sea people are connected to more things though.

Jack: Well, they're definitely connected, bare minimum to the shadow realm. Now that we know that Mount Kafka is probably directly what they were avoiding. That's a direct connection of an interaction that or a behavior that has a one to one. This is here. So we must leave there. So we know they're related factually to the shadow realm. And we know that.

Cristina: Probably fear that.

Jack: Yes. And we know that the shadow realm requires one of these versions or all three of these versions of a trinochrome. Now how do we connect adrenochrome back to the sea people? I don't know. Other than Jesus Christ being a sea person.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But that is a full circle. That is a C person who has gotten a hold of. Now we have an actual name, Ichor. That is a C person who took Edgar. That's one of the three adrenochromes which.

Cristina: Is super overpowered now.

Jack: It's super overpowered now because he.

Cristina: If he did give it to his friends, those friends are still human. So they're probably nothing because he didn't.

Jack: Give them his literal blood unless he killed them all willingly. Like he got them all to agree to death. Do your thing. Eventually you're gonna die. When you die, I will show up and I will give you my blood. You will come back to life and you will join me. Jesus does say one thing consistently. Follow me and you will have immortality. But we know all these People die eventually.

Cristina: Yeah. And he really was a fan of sharing his blood, and he really was a fan of sharing his blood body or whatever.

Jack: So chances are he literally gave them ichor. They managed to remain themselves because it's not nectar and it's not ambrosia. It's ichor. You take it, you're not hooked, you're free, you're fine. So you have it, you're good. His homies die. For whatever reason he gives them the thing, they come back to life. Everything is good and dandy, and you guys have the immortality that I promised you. You did the tasks, you got killed for, you died of old age, whatever the case might be. I give you the thing now. You're young again and you're immortal. Easy, simple, basic. Enjoy your humanity. Eventually, you will be like me. And this fits the fact that when you look into the Bible, it seems like he's making vampires. This sounds very vampiric, especially now that you must give them the blood after they have. Yeah, that's as vampiric as it gets.

Cristina: Epstein is one of his.

Jack: I don't think Epstein is one of them. I think he's the merchant. I really believe he was not giving anything out. Oh, you mean like now, after he went to prison? Yeah. Yeah. Because I don't believe he was consuming the other versions of it.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I think he made sure to stay alive as a normal mortal, to have a way out if necessary. Which brings up another question. Is that what happened to Hitler?

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Like, I mean, Hitler dies in this place, and then Hitler goes missing at the same time. Interesting.

Cristina: I think he's.

Jack: People have seen Hitler a lot after he died.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. They have the same stories about him. They have same stories about a lot of people.

Jack: Yes. Always elites.

Cristina: Yes. So it makes sense.

Jack: It makes sense.

Cristina: Huh? Huh?

Jack: The plot thickens. It checks out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Maybe there is a place where these people do gather, and sometimes they don't have the other two. Maybe they don't take ambrosia. Maybe they don't take nectar. They're cool with it. Look, I want to enjoy my humanity. Eventually, I'm gonna die. Give me the ichor. I will be young again, and I'll be alive again. It's cool, bro.

Cristina: Yeah. How tempting are the other two things, though? That most of them won't choose that. Because the other ones are giving you things right away, though.

Jack: Yes, but also, the stakes are pretty high on those.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It seems like if you don't die first and take ichor, you must continue to Take it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It is instant gratification, but you're doing it forever.

Cristina: Yes. Which most people. That's what they want.

Jack: That's what they want. They want the instant gratification.

Cristina: Yes. So that makes sense that most people would just take that.

Jack: It makes sense that most people would enter a feral state where desperation takes over. Because I can't lose this. I have to keep taking it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: While some people are clever, I'll f****** wait until I die.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And then I don't require it beyond having taken it. Yeah, you guys wanted it. Now I'll wait.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I'll pay the merchant who's going to find me when I die and give it to me. I'm cool with just being a person right now, but you guys can be hooked. You guys are going to need it.

Cristina: Yes, but they need it because they also need that power that comes with it. They probably need the extra help, not.

Jack: Just the power that comes with it. They don't want to go feral.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Most importantly, they don't want to go feral. That's key. What does it matter to have the power if you lost your mind?

Cristina: Yeah, but the only way they got the power in the first place was through that.

Jack: Yes. So it's. They're hooked.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's a huge issue. The people who wanted the instant gratification are probably the same people right now, desperately trying to get hold of a bunch of children by legislating a bunch of s***, making it legal, and having a funnel of children go to them.

Cristina: Yes. Now that their island disappeared, they're just. It's here now.

Jack: Desperation. Yes. The island is gone. There's no longer a cultivation of the umbrella. Adrenochrome now. Well, you guys f***** it. The island, at least. We were doing it in secrecy. Now you guys know we'll f*** all of you. We need it. And we don't give a f*** what you try to stop us. We're stronger, we're faster, we're smarter. You're gonna lose at every turn.

Cristina: Yeah, but we can't do anything about it.

Jack: Can't do anything about it. They're f****** doing it through legislation. They're tricking the dumb masses into f****** supporting it. It's a losing war. It's happening so easily.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In front of everybody's face. They don't give a dude. They're actively. Just in front of everybody. Suppression, freedom of speech. They're actively passing bills that will outlaw traffic. And they're like, no, no outlaw s***. F*** that.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Don't make it a Federal crime. We want those kids.

Cristina: Everything.

Jack: Anyways. Anyways, that's where we're at right now.

Cristina: Madness.

Jack: A lot of madness. A lot of weird connecting bots. You guys can. Basically, this podcast has devolved into some f****** expedition into the madness of society and how everything comes back to see people. Adrenochrome in the shadow realm. So kind of any episode that's either recent or a bunch of scattered episodes in which all of these things are discussed at different times, you guys can.

Cristina: Find all that and the sad fact that everyone's a pedo and everybody's a.

Jack: Pedo for the adrenochrome.

Cristina: Probably, Probably.

Jack: But you guys can find all those episodes and look through them. Tell us, please, please, if you know something we don't anymore.

Cristina: Code words.

Jack: Yeah. Any more code words that we can look into or whatever. And yeah, send us that information. Message us. Tell us at all of our socials. TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook. That's usconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is incredibly important right now, especially with this movie. Go watch the movie and tell people about the show so that they can hear the madness we continue to find.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Listening.

Jack: Bye. Foreign.

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July 08, 2023

Rambling 233: The Tanker War

July 08, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did The United States support Iraq during the Iraq-Iran War? Why’d the Tanker War happen as a result? What were either of these conflicts really about? The duo deep dive into the war of the 80s curious to discover where the clues lead.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

New Islam Ideology
Inconsistent Religious Text
The Sacred Lions
Mount Qaf
The Gateway
Alcaraz Palace
The Persian Gulf Conflict

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And so there was a particularly absurd and baffling idea that I wanted to ground for humanity.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: I wanted to know what the h*** was the point of the United States being involved in the Iraq Iran war and what the point of the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: What got you thinking about that, though?

Jack: The fact that we hate both of those countries as a government, like our government hates both of those countries. What was the end like? Publicly, one of our politicians goes as far as to say that they wish they could both lose, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Okay, is this war still happening? What's happening?

Jack: No, this. This is old.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: This began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Okay, so a very, very, very long.

Cristina: Time ago, but currently people still hate.

Jack: The United States does. The United States is a racist piece of s*** that definitely does not like the Middle east and believes in bombing the crap out of them. Any ch. Obama made sure of that by removing a bunch of soldiers from over there and sending all the drones to continue raining a robotic h*** down on them. That's just what America does. Marka bombs the Middle east always.

Cristina: And then Biden took out the troops and left all the guns so that they could continue killing each other.

Jack: Yes, they can continue killing each other, and the drones can continue killing them as well. And our soldiers are nice and safe. Marca. Okay, funny, funny. Unrelated to this joke I was seeing, it was an interview, and it was Putin and some other guy having a conversation, and they were like, americans. If you're struggling with understanding what's happening with the United States and Ukraine, just imagine that. That Russia is the United States and that the Ukraine is like Africa or some Middle Eastern country. And I was like, oh, man. Oh, man. That's an easy way for Americans to get it.

Cristina: What?

Jack: They were like this. And then Putin just couldn't. He tried to keep a serious face and just, like, cracked up. He's like, that was too much, bro. Just imagine that Russia is America and that Ukraine is some Middle Eastern country. And I just. That was just too good.

Cristina: And what is our hate with the Middle East?

Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue. I have no clue what the h*** the Americans hate. I mean, before we even jump into what I'm Going to talk about.

Cristina: We're gonna go back.

Jack: We be. No, we just began with we hope. We wish they could both lose. I don't know what the beef is. Like, I.

Cristina: Was that said back then or was that said recently?

Jack: No, that was said during. Before we got into it.

Cristina: Oh, oh.

Jack: Before we got into it, it was like, I wish they could both lose, but. Oh, but that's impossible.

Cristina: Oh. Oh, that's.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So. So my curiosity was primarily with. Why the h*** did the United States get involved? Now, obviously, there's always the official reasons, but I don't believe any government about anything they say ever, because it's all.

Cristina: Like, for peacekeeping reason, some crap like that.

Jack: The United States always has their. Their reasoning, which is always noble and whatever. And so they're like, you know, the officially stated reason is so that Iran wouldn't win because Iran has an. You know, they're the bad guys for whatever reason. We gotta pick a side.

Cristina: We have to pick a side. So whoever sides we're not on is a bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always for whatever reason. So I'm gonna. It's gonna be very apparent as I go through this what the truth of the matter is. I don't believe anything I'm ever told by a government. And as we peel layers back, we're gonna go through phases, and these phases are gonna reveal a lot of information. And we're gonna be like, oh, all.

Cristina: Right, so we're peeling an onion.

Jack: We're peeling an onion.

Cristina: All right, so first, let's try to.

Jack: Comprehend what the Iraq Iran war was.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. So 1980 to 1988. This is the timeline we're looking at when we're talking about this war. Officially, this is what the case is. The war began because Iraq feared a new ideology which was spreading along Iran would spread to them.

Cristina: Is it a religion?

Jack: Yeah, it's. Well, it's the same religion they already follow. It's a different variant of it. It's like if the Pentecostals were like, we don't want Jehovah's Witnesses to force us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like, you're ultimately all Christian.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But this version of Christianity versus that version of Christianity, even if ultimately it's the same idea, they're like, no. They were like, no. And the United States was like, we side with Iraq. I don't. We don't even like Islam. We just. We're. We're ab.

Cristina: Wait, who was who again? Who wants to stop the other person from spreading?

Jack: Iraq doesn't want the new Iranian version of Islam to leak into their Iraq.

Cristina: And America was like, Iraq is right.

Jack: Iraq is right. Iraq is totally right. Yes.

Cristina: Don't spread your religious.

Jack: Don't let the Islam of Iran overtake the Islam of Iraq. Because we care so much about Islam that we were like, oh no, this version is the right version of Islam.

Cristina: This is insane already.

Jack: It's absolutely crazy. This makes no sense. Based on what? Like, this is exactly why I asked the question, right? Like, come on, bro, you're not going to tell me this, this reason you gave us made sense?

Cristina: Is this one somehow closer to Christianity or something? Like what is like, I don't understand. We're the freedom of religious country to.

Jack: Like, like, yeah, whatever happens, happens. Let whoever wants to spread whatever happened. It's not our business, but we got involved nevertheless.

Cristina: But that's a weird side to be on when we're the ones that ran away from somewhere else because of religion and want to believe whatever we want to believe. And now we're like, no, you can't spread that. Like, I don't understand.

Jack: Well, it would be spreading it onto an already existing, like, based on our rules. It's like, well, Iraq should be able to believe whatever they want.

Cristina: Okay, but the force and Iran would.

Jack: Be forcing it on Iraq, their new belief.

Cristina: How. How are they doing that then?

Jack: Well, I'll continue. There's a leader of the new Islamic ideology. His name was. I'm a destroy this name Ruhalla Romani. So hopefully I didn't f*** that up, but who cares? This guy was a horrible person. So I don't know. Based on the, like, the United States isn't going to complain about it.

Cristina: This is a government guy or religious guy?

Jack: Both problems already, okay? Both. Because it wasn't just religion. He was a politician and he wanted a version of political religion. Now we're starting to get a better picture, right? It was political religion that he was pushing. So the. But it's crazy because that already is what's happening in Iraq. It's political religion.

Cristina: He's trying to push it onto the other country or he's just Iraq. Yes.

Jack: So the idea, his ultimate idea is that he wants to unite both versions of Islam, the Iranian version and the Iraq version of Islam into one cohesive version under a main umbrella. And it's his version of Islam or not his version, but the version that him and his followers are essentially on.

Cristina: And we're like, we don't want peace.

Jack: We don't want peace and unity. We need you guys to continue killing each other at every possible Turn and we're gonna help you. Kill some of you, so that you guys continue killing some of you. Interesting, because we could have just helped the guy who's spreading it and be like, yeah, unity sounds pretty sweet, but no, let's continue. Instability, that's very, very important to us.

Cristina: Yes, we love it.

Jack: Yeah. We can't have the Middle east uniting. Then they become a giant country our size with equal intelligence and power. And then what? Then. Then it's. They're not a third world. We can't keep them in the Third world. They become the First World. And, like, we don't like that. We're like, state third world. So we can talk about.

Cristina: Where's the Second World?

Jack: I don't know. Australia. Like, it's savage and civilized simultaneously. I guess. South Africa.

Cristina: South Africa.

Jack: Is that. I think that would be like the Second World. Right? That's not a Third World country.

Cristina: Does anyone ever say second World? Does anyone call themselves Second World?

Jack: Does anybody call themselves Third World? That might just be some.

Cristina: That's pretty American. Yes, but.

Jack: Okay, the idea is there. Ultimately, they're trying to push this existing idea, this existing religion onto another existing religion. But politically speaking, yes. Fine. Okay, Fine and dandy. Why do we have to pick a side? Still don't know. It's still ridiculous. My guess, absolute instability is what we desire from the Middle East. We can't have anything.

Cristina: Is the world saying things or is it just our country that's.

Jack: But we're buddying it. There's not a lot of people taking part in this. It's really those two. And then us.

Cristina: Not in the uk, not even Russia. No one.

Jack: None of that matters because of the point of what I'm talking about there. Maybe they weren't significant enough to have shown up while I was researching this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The important people are the ones I've mentioned. The United States was the point of this question. So we're focusing on that. And as far as we know, not a clue. We have no clue why there is any interest. I believe it is to maintain instability. That seems the only logical reason we would be involved in this, to maintain instability amongst the Middle East. Because if unity happened at any moment, then what? Okay, so the leader of this movement had a couple of lines that he would quote consistently. These lines immediately caught my attention while I was looking at them. So he went out of his way to state consistently that this ideological government was an order from above. Never at any point that he specifically mention God or Allah in saying it was an order from above. I Found that interesting, considering most people in those texts will immediately cite their God above. He would say Allah, but never when he's talking about an order from above. I found that particularly interesting. That's the good part about having a lot of journalistic experience, spotting inconsistencies, and so those weren't in accordance with a lot of the way people spoke. But anyways, he believes that people were fearful of the truth and fleeing from. This is a direct quote. Fearful of the truth and fleeing from it and from the remembrance of Allah and the Quran. Fine. That line didn't catch my attention. He said it a lot. As much as he would say an order from above, but he would also say this next line that really, really made me go, He also stated that they were fearful of a lion resting in our faith. A lion fearful of a lion resting in our faith. Like, you're just scared of the big bad cat waiting for you. Make a move. But that's. That's how he was displaying it. Oh, you're just fearful because you see something big and you don't want to move. But our faith should be stronger. And even if there is a lion, you should walk into that lion's den.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But the terminology was just. You could have worded this any other way. You're fearful of a lion, huh? Are you thinking about many things?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But this immediately made me, you know, go back, look at a couple of things. So the lion holds great significance in Islamic belief, which is why it's weird that he would word it in such a way if you're also pushing Islam. What. What's your beef with the lion, bro? It's like, a lot of the time used to represent strength and wisdom, bravery, leadership, a lot. We've seen it in many other cultures. We've seen it. The deceased people have it. The Christians have it. The Jews have it. It's everywhere. Lion is everywhere. What is your beef, and why is that the example?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Something about what you're preaching is now different than what everybody else is preaching. Because you didn't like the lion. Everybody else loves the lion. You didn't like the what? Why? Okay, so one of the more concerning lines which led to the war was the suggestion that Iran was to fill the Islamic vacancy left for the last 2000 years. One which cannot and will not be questioned, which was repeated often in his propaganda. Okay, okay. You got way specific, bro. You got way specific. You're gonna fill a vacancy that was formed for the last 2000 years. A religious vacancy that was formed for the last 2,000 years, a political, religious vacancy. I can only think of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago, bro. Yeah, like, that's hyper specific. What are you talking about? What vacancy? Christianity, Islam became quite substantial belief systems then. What vacancy are you talking about?

Cristina: Do you have any idea? Because what does that mean?

Jack: Well, the biggest issue my concern is what you're thinking. Like, what the f*** do you mean, bro? But the way that Iraq perceived this is, and I'm assuming the United States too, because of one which cannot and will not be questioned. It rings in such a way. Well, first of all, it's absolutely cryptic and confusing, but secondly, it rings like dictatorship, Like a strong push towards dictatorship, which is presumably what the United States.

Cristina: Saw and be like, bad guy.

Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. We were suddenly like, that's against democracy. Now we got an excuse.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He sounds like he's a dictator, and we don't like dictators. We go to war with all the dictators. Not to say that being a dictator is necessarily bad. I'm sure at some point in history there's gonna be a really good dictator. It's just humans get corrupted quick. But also, like, what politician do we have that isn't corrupt? For us to be pointing at some other political system being like, no, that's corrupt. Like, shut the f*** up. We're all corrupt.

Cristina: That's very true, points out the politician.

Jack: So I know surface details about ancient Islamic beliefs. So I had to do some mythological digging to find, you know, what happened in the last 2000 ish years relative and what the belief systems were. So let's unpack a couple of details of ancient Iranian mythology.

Cristina: Okay, so wait, before you do that, can I just ask one more question about this Fire the two, they already had separate religions, or were they already believing the same religion before this guy came? Like, what was happening religiously?

Jack: They were both Islamic already.

Cristina: Okay. And he's like, we're both like, Islamic. Let's partner up.

Jack: Well, they're different variants of Islam. They're both is. Again, it's like the Jehovah's Witness crossing paths with the Pentecostals.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: So it's just different variants of them that are there. And I guess he had a version that a version existed that. That he believed in and he made particularly powerful with his group. With his group of people. Yeah. So they truly, honestly believe that this was the right way and they were trying to spread that, but in a political way, not just in a religious way. They were trying to enforce it politically, legislate and whatnot.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're trying to bring Iraq into that, to unite under this new. And the Iraqis were like, no, this is not happening. What we believe is right, what you believe is wrong. And we weren't bothering you, but you're not going to force that on us. Okay, now we go back into these things. There was a noble despot, which is basically a dictator guarded by two vipers. Now, weird. Noble and snakes together might be the only mention in any religious text that I have ever seen other than Norse mythology that insinuates a snake being on the right side of things. That caught my attention quite heftily. I was like, what, dude? Okay, you got mentions of good snakes. You're defending the good guy. What?

Cristina: But.

Jack: Okay, whatever. Yeah, I found that weird. Then I come across something called Mount Kafka. Now this mountain. Get ready for this. I didn't know about this. I know about this. The first time I've heard about this.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Mount Kaath is a mountain said to belong to the Djinn, a gateway from another realm, specifically said to be the beginning of the unseen divine world. This is an ancient f****** text.

Cristina: The sea people, they live in the other world. Whatever.

Jack: Sea people don't live in the other world. This is the Shadow Realm, bro.

Cristina: I know it's the Shadow Realm, but they. They don't. I don't know. They have mountains and the mountains can teleport. Like, it's not teleporting to here, but.

Jack: This is saying, Jin, this has no mention of the sea people.

Cristina: I feel like it's related now, but continue.

Jack: I see where you're coming from, though, but the mountain is located in the Caspian Sea, the body of water directly above the Persian Gulf. Interesting. We're going to get to a conclusion in a moment. Definitely fascinating that there is a mountain near the Persian Gulf where there are jinn and is said to be a port. Not only are there Djinn, but it belongs to the Djinn. And it's said to contain a portal from where the jinn are coming from.

Cristina: Exactly. Opposite sides are just things that come from the other side.

Jack: Yes, well, humanoids from the Shadow Realm. Because there's a bunch of other non Djinn things on the other side of the Shadow Room. But yeah, ultimately the human, quote, humans unquote of the Shadow Realm are the Djinn. There's a mountain called Kaath that happens to have a portal. There's a lot of echoes here of reminiscent things.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But. Okay, we go on. And I find that there is a type of thing called the Da'. Eva.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: The Da' eva is the name of the leaders of the Jinn and other creatures among the mountain, oftentimes referred to as the gods of the Djinn. Oh, very interesting. There is one specific one called Dai. Who's the big Kahuna? The biggest Kahuna. The creator of that realm.

Cristina: The creator of that realm, yes.

Jack: Now I'm starting to see a whole other image because I thought I had the same ideas you had until I did. Dug a little deeper and I'm like, weren't the sea People avoiding something?

Cristina: Exactly. Now I'm confused. Because we thought they were avoiding that God from that other place.

Jack: That's what I still believe is the case. Get the f*** out of Dodge. Because that s***'s right around the corner.

Cristina: That's where they came from.

Jack: That's not where the sea people came from. That's where the thing that wants what the sea people had came from. So they were like, let's get the f*** out of here with all of it. And so they went. The Atlantic Ocean is my belief, because the Big Bad is right there. Jehovah the scientist and whatever the other thing is that he was trying to hide the Garden of Eden from came from that mountain. In theory. I don't know. That's my guess so far. But interesting things we never knew about. Additionally part of the same. Also, it's important to say that Iranians are Persians. The same thing. Iranians is Persians is the name of that entire region, including the Iraqis and basically the Middle East, Saudi Arabia, all of that was Persia. Okay, so there's a place called Alcaraz Palace.

Cristina: Is this a real place?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Alcaraz palace was completely made out of marble. According to ancient texts, the palace was colossal. A big city under one roof with its walls extending from one horizon to the other. And it was situated along the coast of Persia, AKA the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: It was a city right next to the water. So in a sort of bubble already.

Jack: And this name is actually in a couple of texts. I didn't catch it before when I came across the name, but this is the actual name of the Persian Gulf oasis. Like the main quarters.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They had a name all along. It was Alcaraz Palace. That is where maybe the main politicians or the big bads or those, you know, the big kahunas of the sea people lived.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there were.

Cristina: There was a civilization in a building, which sort of.

Jack: No, not just a city in a building, because I assuming there's a dome and a bunch of buildings. But this was the biggest of the buildings. The biggest of the buildings in the city.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The big quarters. This is Mount Olympus of the sea people. Now, the palace was known for having a large library. This is just me reading parts of these texts. Large library, many books which didn't survive to this day. However, some books did, such as the Avasta, are still used, which is used for Islam. It's one of the texts that's used to enforce Islam.

Cristina: I thought you were gonna say it's a BC area or something. No, no, no, that's random.

Jack: Now, the picture that's painted so far, as far as I can see, this guy is preaching a version of Islam that disagrees with the current state of Islam that is there. He's talking about an ancient form of Islam and a vacancy that was formed presumably when the sea people left the Persian Gulf oasis and migrated to the Atlantic Ocean, which was roughly 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That movement coincided perfectly with the lack of inner. With a sudden stop in interaction with an evil super God that decided to consistently torture, kill all this nonsense. Jehovah. Quote, Jehovah became good 2000 years ago and stopped murdering. This guy says a vacancy began 2,000 years ago. It looks like this guy's version of Islam is whatever the h*** the mountain was. Mount Kaf. He was on the side of the Jinn. That's the religion he believes should exist. Keep in mind, all of this is still Persia, Iran and Iraq. All of this is still Persia. This man in the 80s is essentially preaching the shadow realm version of it.

Cristina: Interesting. But then his goal wouldn't just be to have these two countries reunite, but the whole Middle east or just these two countries.

Jack: It's possible that it's about taking over the Middle east because he would start with Iraq. Yeah, but there are many other parts of the Middle east that are. The majority is Islamic. And like Christianity, it's a lot of different sects. So in theory, what you're thinking is what I'm thinking. He wanted to you unify all the versions of Islam under this shadow version of it, worshiping some sort of shadow God, the Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: Who spoke to him?

Jack: Who spoke to him? Direct orders from Jehovah of Dark.

Cristina: That's why he said to avoid the lion or something.

Jack: Avoid the lion? Like we're fleeing from the lion. It's like, no, don't flee the lion is whatever system was already there, which happens to be every other religion is based on. But that's not even the point. Primarily the religion of the sea people. They worshiped the lion, specifically. Interesting.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now, why did we get involved? Is still the question lingering. But suddenly when we get here, a lot of mist is lifted. Because why? Because they were made to. The United States wanted no part in this. They were obligated to. Because by the sea people.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They were made to take part and preserve.

Cristina: To stop it.

Jack: To stop it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To stop the overtake. Because it's corrupt. They know. They understand, like, it's global types of bad. You're gonna allow them to take over. They'll expand a little more. And they'll expand a little more. They'll give this thing enough power to do what it does. And you're going to go back to what it was like before year one, okay? And nobody wants that guy out here. This was a push to bring Jehovah of Dark out of wherever he was put. Presumably Mount Kaf got sealed off because Mount Kaf's location is only known as the Caspian Sea. There's no specific location for it. Because one of the very things that's stated about Mankof is it could only be found by those willing to embrace it. You have to want what's there to even see the mountain.

Cristina: So he saw the mountain.

Jack: Who saw the mountain? The guy? Yeah, probably. The point is that the mountain can't be found and that the mountain was probably pushed away entirely. I'm assuming the mountain was absolutely normal, physically speaking, before Jehovah of Dark was sealed in there back on his side. So the gateway, the mountain and everything on it plunged into wherever by the sea people and whatever abilities they had to do. So, so the mountain just disappears.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So that nobody can access Jehovah of Dark, but this guy somehow finds a way or reads a text or something. Something. Maybe he never saw the mountain.

Cristina: We get some kind of connection to this God.

Jack: But he knows. Yeah, he knows something. Presumably God on the other side communicating somehow. You know, he could probably just gather enough energy to manifest and at least send his voice. And this guy hears it and he's like, God is speaking to me, of course, but it's the God of Dark. It's Jehovah of Dark. And so he commences this entire process, gets people on board. The movement starts to pick up. At first it wasn't a problem, but with time it started to build up more and more and more until the sea people were like, this is becoming a problem.

Cristina: Okay? And then we did something.

Jack: When they finally started the push into a different country, then they were like, that's absolutely too strong. It's not just with us. It's not just a faction within a country now. It's a country trying to push into another country. Yeah, it grew too much. Now the United States again doesn't care. We hate the Middle east. That's our M.O.

Cristina: We want them to die. Okay?

Jack: We want them to die. And the sea people don't care. They're like, whatever, dude. We'll let them do what they're gonna do is perfectly fine. Let them kill each other, too. We don't give a crap. We got out of.

Cristina: Got to protect this secret.

Jack: We got to. Yeah, we got to protect the secret. And they went over here. Fine. It's all hidden and nothing matters until the waves, the sound of Jehovah, of dark, maybe come back that suddenly. Oh, hold up. Now. We got to take some action. But they're not going to take action themselves. They don't exist to the world, so they need a proxy. Enter America.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: They're right next to us. They're right there in the Atlantic Ocean, right next to us. We respond to what they want. Had they been next to some European country, they would have bent their arm. But we're the closest, we're the loudest, and we're known for crap like this anyways, so send the Americans in to stop the problem. So then we. The war breaks out, and they start to help Iraq because the Iranians are following the God of dark. Suddenly, the image makes perfect sense.

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Now, let's talk a little more about this war. The Iranian war began. The Iranian Iraqi war began in 1980 and ended in 1988. Perfect. In the middle of that, there was something called the Tanker War. Same countries, but this took place in the Persian Gulf. Now, the official narrative here is this was over trade routes.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know, because the war is happening. We're all surrounding this thing. Saudi Arabia, to current day, known as the guardians of the Persian Gulf. Like, at this moment for, like, a really long time. They're the people who usually kind of keep the peace in that area because they're neutral, according to a bunch of these other people who hate each other. They tend to be removed because they're also the most powerful group there. People just kind of subdue them. So they side also with Iraq. Okay, so we have another country enter. And they are also, like, we don't like what's going on there. But they only got involved at this point. They only got involved once it went to the Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Because of the trade routes.

Jack: Because the trade routes, quote. Because trade routes unquote. Okay, Saudi Arabia got involved. Now all of this is happening around them the entire time. This began in 1984 and ended in 1988. So this is four years after it began. They were neutral. They didn't care. It didn't bother them until it bled into the Persian Gulf. Suddenly they're like, okay, we're in, and we're not letting you guys do whatever you're doing here. Trade routes, blah, blah, blah. Now, this is just a smaller conflict. And what's weird about this is that both sides fighting for trade routes seem to be really fixated with establishing trade routes along the path where they both were. It said that the palace of Alcaraz was located. How convenient that where you're trying to set trade routes and that the second smaller conflict breaks out happens to be where the Persian Gulf oasis was.

Cristina: Why do you think that spot is important?

Jack: Because either the Iranians are trying to erase the history that's there or capture whatever was left behind. Something about that required. Something about that area required Saudi Arabia to stay behind and guard it. Okay, there's something to guard. And Iran wanted that. Wanted to either capture it or destroy it. That part is unclear. I just know that for whatever reason, in 1984, suddenly a second conflict about trade routes that just so happened to be over where the palace of Alcaraz was, AKA the Persian Gulf oasis. So there's a lot of effort here being made in an obvious, obvious fashion for what seems to be Jehovah of Dark, A missing mountain, the Persian Gulf oasis ruins or whatever we would call that. If it's. If it's possible that it could be ruined now. What do you think about this? This is crazy, right?

Cristina: Yes. I think it's happening. Or it was happening that the. That guy was working with him, I guess. I don't know. That's so weird because he was speaking to something.

Jack: He was speaking to something. It's so specific. It's so specific that he would say things in such a way that lions are the problem. Lions. You're fearful of lions? Why are you fearful of lions? We had weird. The fact that this is this. I'm totally thrown off by the fact that a mountain with a portal to the Shadow Realm and the Atlanteans are.

Cristina: In the same spot.

Jack: Portals.

Cristina: It's so crazy. That is weird.

Jack: Yeah. The Atlanteans establish portals on mountains as well.

Cristina: Yes. How are they really?

Jack: Unless it's not because Pegasus. They fly to the tops of mountains.

Cristina: No, we don't know that. We know they come down from Mountains.

Jack: We know they come down from mountains with Pegasus.

Cristina: That doesn't mean they fly up with Pegasus.

Jack: Yes, we don't actually know that for a fact. You're totally right. We know. Mountains. Mountains. Something is weird about mountains.

Cristina: Yeah. Portal technology. There's portals on this mountain specifically, that goes to the other side, to the shadow realm.

Jack: There's a way to get to the shadow. There's an actual physical gate to the shadow realm.

Cristina: So they might also have found that, and maybe that helped them with the technology to teleport.

Jack: I am thinking that. I'm really, really believing that they put that mountain away. I believe that the sea people went out of their way, assuming Jehovah is also one of the sea people. And they put away this mountain. They closed the portal, they got rid of the Djinn, they closed the mountain, and they made it vanish. Which is why it's a mountain that cann be found.

Cristina: Yeah, but did they base their portal technology off of a natural portal?

Jack: That's interesting, because this portal isn't a. We're talking the difference between a portal and a wormhole.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Because this is a portal to a different realm, as opposed to what the sea people have, which seems to just be teleportation technology.

Cristina: Yeah. That's so crazy. Advanced teleportation technology.

Jack: Well, we know they're advanced. I'm not sure why that's a surprise. That's the fact of the matter. Matter.

Cristina: Yes, but.

Jack: And, like, other than the mountain part, it doesn't seem to be connected. It seems very different. Because it never said, like, you go through a portal on top of Mount Athos and you end up at. In a different realm. Yeah, in a different universe.

Cristina: In heaven, they must have at least been inspired to put their portals on mountains because of this portal on a mountain?

Jack: It depends how old we think this mountain is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because you gotta also understand that Mary went through one of these portals that took her from one location to the other on Earth. So did they. This mountain, Mount Kaf, must be millions of years old, the way that the sea people are, and thus they use the technology, discovered this technology or adapted it millions of years ago. And that would be the case because if it happened around 2,000 years ago, then no, that wouldn't. Like, the timeline doesn't check out. You know, they already had it. And if this was the first encounter with the mountain, that they finally found a way to stop it, that there is finally safe enough for them to head over there and stop the mountain, then that means they would have never encountered the mountain until that moment. And they couldn't have taken the technology from there.

Cristina: The mountain disappeared 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Yes, from. Not necessarily disappeared. The discrepancy in text. Basically, it was just a mountain that belonged to the Djinn and the Daivi, or whatever they're called. And around 2,000 years ago, which is also around the same time that Jehovah of darkness just vanishes around that point is where now the mountain can only be found by those who seek it, by those who are worthy and those who are. Who want what it offers.

Cristina: Okay, so, yeah, it does sound like they're hiding it with their own technology.

Jack: Yes. I'm thinking two different types of things. Natural something, and the crazy advanced, overpowered technology of the sea people. They somehow plunge this mountain away. The same way they hide a literal island garden. Okay, Unless it's not an island garden. And these are all code names for technology, which seems to be the most likely.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But either way, they can hide themselves an entire city. So they can hide a mountain.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Presumably in plain sight. The mountain probably never moved. The mountain is probably a mountain over water or something. And it's cloaked.

Cristina: You can still see it randomly.

Jack: I'm thinking whoever knows where it is just walks in that direction. Think of Wakanda. It doesn't cease to be where it is. It just can't be seen without being there. But if you manage to cross and get to the barrier. Well, now touch it. You can see the other side. You can cross the barrier. Because it's just being cloaked. Yeah, it's still there. Now they somehow sealed whatever was in there. Nothing can get out. And Jehovah of Dark is trapped in there. He also can't get out. The mountain invisible, but the mountain still there somewhere. Mount Kaaf is on Earth. Somewhere in the Caspian Sea. Still there, invisible.

Cristina: Right next to where they used to live.

Jack: Right next to the Persian Gulf. The Caspian Sea. Basically. If you're looking at a globe, north is the Caspian Sea. Then you go down a little, you hit Iraq. You go down a little more, you hit Iran. You go down a little more. Persian Gulf.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They are divided, the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea, by Iran, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. Those are the countries in between these two bodies of war.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: To the north, Caspian Sea. To the south, the Persian Gulf. And there's a mountain in the Caspian Sea. Totally vanished. Disappeared. Doesn't exist, but it's still there. It sounds like sea people technology.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Your ability to make things vanish in your face.

Cristina: Mm. What happened? What happened? It's like we have so many pieces of this story, many fragments. Yes. Somehow Jesus is involved.

Jack: Yes, 100%.

Cristina: Just 2,000 years ago.

Jack: Everything happened 2,000 years ago.

Cristina: And it's still question like, were they hiding from him? Were they trying to hide him? What.

Jack: What bothers me is that I just ask a random question out of curiosity, like, what was our point? I knew it would go here simply because of the one fact that it doesn't seem logical for us to involve ourselves in this conflict. And it evolves the Middle east, which is Persia. I knew this is the only reason I chased this. I knew where this was going. By default, he's a Persia because Persia.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now I. Not literally where it was going. I knew what was going to be mentioned, which was definitely the Sea People. Of course, I did not know that djinns were gonna come up.

Cristina: No, that's.

Jack: That's random.

Cristina: Mind blowing.

Jack: But now we have very vividly another instance in which we've connected or gotten proximity between two things. Last time we managed to get proximity between Adrenochrome and the Sea People. Now we again made proximity between the Shadow Realm and the Sea People. And we know factually because we made in the past long ago the proximity of Adrenochrome and the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: There's still something missing. They're like. It's connect. They're dotted lines that we gotta fill out. What? This is crazy.

Jack: Something about mountains that keep showing up. Something about mountains that keep showing up. Portals on mountains. Cyprus had one too.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Portals and mountains. Something about portals and mountains. Interesting enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The Shinto shrine design and pathways.

Cristina: I was about to. I was thinking about portals. I was thinking about it.

Jack: Yep. Just looks like portals.

Cristina: And one of those stories is Jesus made tribes.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yep. You see, you see how all of this kind of works together? Looks like portals, bro?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Shrines where deities, divine entities, spirits and ghosts come through, go to hover around, happen to be on mountains. And they literally look like portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: If we assume in Western culture, a single portal at the top, and we don't see it because nobody's allowed up there, but if we look at the places where we are allowed to look, more or less the same idea, the same people visited those locations, except we're allowed to look and we see gateways that look like freaking portals, we can assume that maybe these same gateways are on top of these other mountains. Maybe not necessarily on top of Mount Kafka. Definitely something else happening up there. But at least in Shinto and on top of Athos. And on top of Cyprus, there must be something that looks like these Shinto shrine archways, creating a visual that maybe there is some teleportation technology working in some kind of quantum state that allows them to just poof out of here and poof over there.

Cristina: Yeah. What?

Jack: But the bigger picture is hazy.

Cristina: It's so hazy.

Jack: Yeah, we have all the parts. We keep circling the same parts. Everything leads back to the same parts. I just asked, why did the United States get involved in the Iraq Iranian war and moved forward from there? We know we don't like those people. Why did we go help either one of them?

Cristina: Because something told us to.

Jack: Something told us to. Something was bigger than our dislike of the Middle East. They convinced us by telling us. Well, they didn't have to convince us. They're overpowered in ridiculous fashion. If they could, like, strong arm us to do kind of anything. But I'm sure they didn't. I'm sure it was like, look, this is what it'll look like if you let it happen. And they were like, oh, crap. And then we just kind of went and did our thing. Yeah, but the fact that it circled right back, this ideology that this man was pushing, that scene. There are people now still now. But then we see these politicians talking about the adrenochrome, these politicians talking about child sacrifice. We know of an island on Earth where children were trafficked to. Children were abused in many different ways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's a fact. That's real. Did this island have a mountain, though? Did Epstein's island have a mountain, though? Okay, so. No, it is absurdly flat.

Cristina: It's very flat.

Jack: Well, maybe the idea is that this was just remote as f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because can these people find Mount Koth? If they did, they wouldn't need adrenochrome. There's no mountain here. And that's why they need adrenochrome, because then you can access the other side. If you have access to the mountains, you don't need adrenochrome. I guess that's the break. So we're, in theory, we're talking natural elements of this side connecting to the Shadow Realm will never cross the unnatural elements on this side of adrenochrome, because that would defeat the purpose. You're using adrenochrome because you can't find the natural elements of the Shadow Realm on this side. If you could, you wouldn't need the adrenochrome. You would just use the portal.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So on top of the fact that the adrenal chrome could give you immortality and special abilities. If you crossed over to the shadow realm through that portal, would you just fall apart? Because your body can't sustain on that version of reality. So you need adrenochrome anyways.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Makes more sense to do that. And this belief system isn't talking about them crossing. This belief system seems to be about bringing what's over there over here over here. Based on the logic, we know Jehovah of Dark is over there. Jinn reside on this mountain, and it's a portal to that side.

Cristina: And Jesus might be over there.

Jack: I don't think Jesus is over there. And I don't think the portals that Jesus built have anything to do with the natural portal that exists on Mount Cough. I think those are unrelated. I think the Jesus portals are technology and they are sea people. Technology.

Cristina: But was he trying to get to the sea or was he trying to get to the.

Jack: I think the sea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because why would he try to get to the other side? They sealed that off intentionally.

Cristina: He seems very interested in adrenochrome. He seems to be adrenochrome addict. Like, I know they twisted him into a hero and made him a good guy, but those are the books that they put out. Yes, the Bible.

Jack: Because there is a giant correction happening as well.

Cristina: Yes, because they were on the side of his mom. She was one of them. That doesn't mean they were on his side.

Jack: Yeah, because the Magi's job was entirely to correct and suppress and protect.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they went out of their way on top of making the Knights Templar, in order to also continue to eradicate any information and rewrite. Continuous rewrites.

Cristina: Which the rewrite could be that our hero is the villain.

Jack: Well, the rewrite. Yeah, it's rewriting that he was the villain.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And they did kick him out.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they totally welcomed Mary, but they did not welcome Jesus.

Cristina: No, but they're telling us the lie that he's a good guy.

Jack: But those portals. Those portals. I mean, the portals do say. Fair enough. Fair enough. Nothing about Mount Athos has ever said demons. That feels technology. They just show up. It doesn't feel weird. It doesn't feel dark. But everything about the Jesus portals feels dark. Because it's Shinto portals.

Cristina: Yes, we know. Demons are there.

Jack: Demons, spirits, divinity, all of it. All of it. So maybe you're right. Jesus found the way. Actually, what you were saying before is literally what Jesus was doing, but not what the sea people were doing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were thinking the sea people created adopted Technology. No, Jesus did.

Cristina: Jesus did.

Jack: Jesus did. The sea people did not.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They were doing everything in their power to separate these two entities. We need to get rid of that mountain. We need to get rid of Jesus and not let them cross paths. Worked. Except Jesus is still a sea person. He has the intellect, he has know how, and he's some sort of divinity himself. And they knew the visions of this child would allure people to whatever it is that Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden are. There's something weird and special about this child. And the kids somehow still, still f****** managed to make portals that allow at least lesser beings to come through.

Cristina: Yes. But not this bigger, scarier thing.

Jack: They're trying to hunt and they manage to kill Jesus. I'm assuming at this point now this is really, really probably orchestrated by the sea people. The death of Jesus was probably orchestrated by the sea people.

Cristina: But him coming back, was that because of the adrenochrome?

Jack: That was because.

Cristina: And then they really couldn't stop him.

Jack: They couldn't stop him.

Cristina: They probably knew they couldn't stop him, but they didn't know, like, they didn't know.

Jack: They didn't know the extent. They knew about alicorn. They didn't know about adrenochrome. He discovered adrenochrome. He discovered the technology to make the portals. Jesus is a particularly bad guy in the story. We know the Templar were going out of their way, we know the magi were going out of the way to correct consistently. Correct consistently. And they tried to convince this child of other things, but he didn't seem to give a f***.

Cristina: And they knew killing him wouldn't stop him. But then they got desperate and they did it. But it didn't matter because they couldn't stop him because he came back.

Jack: I don't know if they knew that ahead of time. I don't think they knew about adrenochrome. They knew.

Cristina: No, I don't think they knew. I think they just knew they had to stop him.

Jack: Oh yeah. I don't think they knew he would come back like.

Cristina: No, they knew they were gonna fail, I think.

Jack: How?

Cristina: Because they knew the future enough to know that he was a danger and that they really couldn't stop him. But they were trying hard. That's why they have all this backup and cover up.

Jack: No, the only things they knew about the future was, was the kid. People didn't have visions of the future. People had visions of the child.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They had visions of the child and where the child was. So they to change where the child would be so that those visions wouldn't lead them there. So they got rid of the kid because the visions were of the kid there in the Persian Gulf oasis. So they send Mary out, and they're like, we're gonna move everybody. People already around the globe had visions of us here. We're gonna send you out. You're gonna have that kid on Mount Cyprus. We're going to then go move entirely. The visions are gonna lead everybody to Cyprus. There's gonna be a way for you to get from Cyprus to Athos and from Athos to our new home. But the kid won't be with you. Nobody will ever have visions of where we are.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: It will never happen because you had the kid away, and the kid will never be where we're gonna be. So visions of the kid will never lead people to us. Thus, we protect Adam and Eve in the garden.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Now, the kid with these special abilities and science, know how. Found adrenochrome, made adrenochrome, invented adrenochrome, discovered adrenochrome.

Cristina: Something.

Jack: Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And then something. Portals.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And the problem persisted. They were like, okay. They didn't know about the adrenochrome part.

Cristina: No.

Jack: They knew about the portal part. And they're like, this guy's gotta go. Like, I'm sorry, Mary, but he's gotta go. They orchestrate the whole thing. The guy gets killed. Put him in a hole. Sweet. Now they're like, oh, yeah, he's crazy. Not kids talking about coming back, whatever. But then he actually comes back, and you're like, holy crap. What the f*** happened? He surpassed us. We managed to take his life the way we would one of our own and permanently be dead. And he's still around. He came back after we killed him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Problems.

Cristina: But then I guess he went to the other side. Like, why did he disappear, too?

Jack: That's interesting, because he did go somewhere else. According to everything. He went somewhere else.

Cristina: Probably did go.

Jack: He managed to find a way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: These portals were one way. This way.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because.

Cristina: Because he came back from death, he became something else.

Jack: Oh, because he had adrenochrome, he was.

Cristina: He became whatever.

Jack: Yes. He can access the other side after death.

Cristina: That was his goal.

Jack: He made a portal, and then he got killed. The portals are a one way over here. Yes, he got killed. He shows up in the Shadow Realm because he took adrenochrome. He already made the portals. He built his way back before they killed him. Holy crap.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He built his way back before they killed him.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Took the adrenochrome, knowing it would happen because he has something. Something about him is allowing him to predict well enough.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And he gets killed, goes to the shadow realm, comes back through the portals that he himself built while he was alive.

Cristina: I think so. And maybe he's the one talking to these other people.

Jack: It could be him. Maybe it's the. The. Yeah. Because he can access. He just got to stay under the radar. But it's probably him. It's probably not Jehovah of Dark. He probably saw Jehovah of Dark and they're in cahoots. And so this entire conflict in the Middle east was actually the fault of Jesus because he was pushing farther and farther. And chances are he's trying some other way now.

Cristina: Right now.

Jack: Right now. He's always trying something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's always trying something. Because the goal is presumably to bring Jehovah of Dark back.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't know why. If you are a C person, maybe the. The anger of being cast and not being allowed with his people is like, okay, then f*** him. F*** those people. Revenge forever. But they were protecting themselves already from the s*** that now you're siding with. They were protecting that from him, which meant you're some sort of special thing that people had visions of. They had to get rid of you to protect that from him. But in doing so, now you're an angry person and you're like, I'm a side with him, then.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The ultimate goal is to bring him back, to take them down and maybe.

Cristina: To get that machine to create more.

Jack: Life, if that's what it is. Yes. To get the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve is what Jehovah of Dark wants. And Jesus just wants whatever Jehovah of Dark wants. Cuz f*** the sea people.

Cristina: Maybe. Yeah. I think we're getting closer.

Jack: We're getting closer to something.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Anyways, that's what I got.

Cristina: Interesting. Random.

Jack: All out of the curiosity of what the h*** is going on with that war that happened in the Middle east connects to adrenochrome. Everything does, because everything does Adrenochrome. Just in this one thing. We have Jesus, which connected us to adrenochrome. We have the sea people, and in the same breath, we have the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: The Iran Iraq war featured all three things. Very sparsely separated, but we've connected dots now. That kind of makes sense.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We have a fuller picture because of this war.

Cristina: That's awesome. There's gonna be other wars that will point us to.

Jack: Yes. This is probably not even the first one. This is just the one I looked at. Yeah, I said it's just the one I looked at the end. There must be other wars we've gotten involved that make absolutely no sense. Probably in the Middle East. There's a lot of wars in the Middle East.

Cristina: I guess we gotta go inspect 911 again. Yeah.

Jack: And we're all Afghanistan.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: There's things everywhere, man. A little bit of something. The Middle east is a hot spot for some dark s***.

Cristina: Yes, interesting.

Jack: Anyways, if you guys have any add ons, any ideas, any inputs you got, comments, questions, concerns, this is quite concerning. You can contact us at all our socials usconville Pod, that's Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, TikTok, whatever.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Foreign Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

July 01, 2023

Rambling 232: Titan Submersible Cover-Up

July 01, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What was the real point behind the Titan Crew going down to visit the Titanic Crash Site? How was the Titanic originally located and why? What could really have been going on during the Titan Submersible Tragedy? The duo continue to unpack and dissect the information found relative to the submersible tragedy and all the conspiracies and cover-ups that came from the incident.

Topics Discussed:

Hunter Biden Blackmailing
Deleted Epstein Island Emails
Biden Impeachment Vote
Sneaky 6 Billion to Ukraine
IRS, FBI, CIA: Whistleblowers
Rothschild Family Bloodline
Warhead Submarine
The Titanic Crash Site
North Atlantic UAPs
Atlanteans

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today I come to talk about something that we actually talked about last week. Because we have to address a couple of important details about the submersible. The submersible from last week that is not a submarine. And I would like to begin by saying that people are monsters.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: People are horrible, awful humans. Most of us are going to go to h***. That's not even a bit of a question. If there is a God, a lot of us are f*****. Or God is probably dead. And that's why we're totally okay and don't feel the light of good making us have bad, better judgment and sympathy towards people. We're like a bunch of rich people died. Hahahaha ha ha ha ha.

Cristina: And the news channels with their watches.

Jack: Yes. Okay, that. That messed me up. We'll get to that. Okay, first, for whatever reason, the Internet has exploded into a hilarious roar of memes. I saw one that even I couldn't contain myself from, and it was essentially everybody showing the most expensive coffins. All of the most expensive coffins. Going from regular coffins at like five grand to people who legit. Yeah. Somebody literally bought an Egyptian coffin for $150,000. That's amazing. Or million dollars, something like that. But that's not even the point. It got real excessive when suddenly we have the submersible as being the most expensive coffin on that list. It like I felt something coming and it arrived and then I couldn't contain myself and I laughed. And I know I'm going to h***. We're all going to h***. I was essentially laughing at rich. A dead rich people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like I'm one of millions. One of millions.

Cristina: We're also laughing.

Jack: We're also laughing. This got so out of hand so g****** fast. Millions and millions and millions of people. Hundreds of memes, maybe hundreds of thousands of memes making fun of rich people going underwater to essentially die.

Cristina: Yes. And people were really angry that we wasted money to get that stuff out of the water.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. A lot of people were really like, just let them die down there and leave everything down there because you're wasting taxpayer money to just go get some rich people and you're not even really getting anything from there.

Cristina: Yeah. There's no dead bodies to collect.

Jack: There's barely parts of the submersible to collect. Everything was turned into s*** by the pressure of the water. Nothing's gonna survive down there. Once it began collapsing, it ended. So last week, we talked about how it would have happened very gradually if we compared it to the sounds that they were hearing underneath the water. It took about 20 hours for those sounds to stop. Now, what a horrifying scene if we have the submersible slowly bending under the weight of the water above it. £16,000 per square inch. That's a lot.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Square inch so tiny. You got to put £16,000 on top of that per square inch over and over and over and over and over for the entire submersible. And everybody's mass so slowly being crushed, water flying in, air slowly becoming less. You either drown or you asphyxiate. Great. Fantastic. Phenomenal. Except this submersible had no way of fighting the pressure that was happening, which was discussed. I discussed as we talked about how this submersible had no infrastructure that would allow it to survive. It's basically a can underwater with nothing stopping a collapse. And when it did collapse, it basically happened so instantaneously, less than a fraction of a second would have gone by between when it began and it ended up. So they don't even know they're dead. They just stopped existing suddenly, and they have no idea happened. That's good. That's the best case scenario. They're just blinked out of existence. They don't know unless there's an afterlife and they're fully aware and they're like, what a dumb way to go. That's also some memes I've seen.

Cristina: No one was like, what a cool way to go.

Jack: No, but I've literally seen memes of essentially their ghost being, like, shocked about how they went. But it's been confirmed that it did, in fact, happen instantaneously, and there was absolutely no suffering. They did not have a single clue it went by. So the banging sounds that were happening underwater, apparently nobody really knows what the f*** that was.

Cristina: Probably nothing to do with it.

Jack: Probably nothing to do with it. There was one early bang that was obviously an implosion that happened about two hours after they went into the water. And they were fully aware that that implosion was the death of the individuals. But they didn't release that data. Didn't release that information. They kept that close to the chest, of course, but there was a clear distinction between the banging sounds they heard and the explosion. They heard. The explosion happened two hours after they went underwater. And then there were these banging sounds that happened from Wednesday to Thursday, from Wednesday morning to Thursday morning. 20 hours of consistent banging in the exact region that they were searching. Weird.

Cristina: Weird.

Jack: We'll return to that later and save that for later. So why did they keep knowing that these individuals were dead? What was the value? Well, originally the naval officers that found the evidence with the sound and the region, there was a cloud of debris which was also found about four hours afterwards. All of this stuff very, very, very well known. And they told nobody, but they've had it since the day it happened. Maximum four hours before they had all the pieces of the puzzle proving that they were dead. But it took them a week to tell us. And they made believe they were searching. They were.

Cristina: Well, they did search for it because they did bring up parts of what.

Jack: Yeah, but they waited the entire week pretending that they had just found it. Yeah, they just got into the information. They just found out. They're just now aware and, oh, you know, this is the time where they must be dead because the oxygen timer ran out and now there's. Okay, so what you mentioned earlier is the fact that there was on cnn a literal clock counting down to when they would run out of air on the submarine. That's kind of messed up. Especially if the family of the individuals are tuning in to see any update and they're just faced with a clock showing them when their family members are going to die.

Cristina: Awful.

Jack: That's pretty bad. That's pretty bad. I don't know what the is wrong with humanity with news outlets that.

Cristina: How can anyone watch the news?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. At this point, it is a hundred percent politics. It is a hundred percent propaganda. It is a hundred percent profit. There's no need to real report. There's no need. There's no need whatsoever. Reporting is dead now. It's all profit. And maybe it was always profit. Now it's just obvious. Yes, but like it was always a business no matter what. So like, what is anybody gonna say? You gotta make money one way or another, you know, there's no reason to, to not try to do everything you can to maximize your profits. But that still leaves the question of what was the point? Why are you guys holding on to it? You guys are a bunch of liars. Okay, fantastic. So what was the point? Well, well, it just so happened to be that it was a direct order from the President to not tell anybody.

Cristina: The President?

Jack: The President of the United States. Yes. In a shortly thereafter Declassified document had sent a direct order to not release the information. Who's unbeknown to anybody. Why. But it was ordered from the President. Like when they're out of oxygen. I am sure the naval officers thought because maybe there might be a hope because they're not out of air yet.

Cristina: No way. They had to be it on too.

Jack: Yeah, but without being able to make it clear, there's no document stating that. That would be an assumption. All we know factually is that an order was given to not release the information. Were they in on it? Well, that's speculation at this point. There's nothing saying that. There is something saying that they got a direct order from the President that said don't release the information. That part actually on paper. Now, why didn't the President of the United States want the information about five random explorers? Four and a child, if you want to be literal. Four in a child. Random explorers at the bottom of the ocean in a submersible vessel dying. Why did the President think it was useful to not give that out immediately? Well, that became really obvious once the data about the submersible came out.

Cristina: And.

Jack: And you look and pay attention to what happened in politics in that period of time. It was a distraction.

Cristina: That's so. Okay, okay, whatever.

Jack: Of course, yes. They abused an opportunity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And took it with them.

Cristina: What were they distracting us from?

Jack: Now, this would definitely look like an orchestration, like, oh, we need a distraction, let's make a distraction. But there's nothing.

Cristina: Pretty horrible.

Jack: Nothing hinting toward that. It looks like opportunistic preying on a moment.

Cristina: That seems really what usually happens.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think a lot of the. There's definitely conspiracies and there's definitely things that have been done by the United States government. I don't think this necessarily might have to be one of those things. It was just a good moment to abuse, essentially. To abuse and to drown out the opposition's voice. You'd think that's the case. But there's not even an opposition being suppressed in the exchange that's happening here. What really is happening is the fact that in them keeping the information, they prevented people relaxing and kept people tuned into specifically those things about the news. So the people don't pay attention to the fact that this very same week Hunter Biden had to go on trial about the things in his laptop and the $5 million that potentially Biden took through his son.

Cristina: Nice.

Jack: Yeah. So the Chinese government, Hunter Biden specifically had a linked account that received $5 million after threatening messages saying, I'm sitting here with my father to an official, a Chinese official. I'm sitting here with my father after blackmailing the guy for a while. And so it's an associate from 2017 and associate from 2017. He wrote to this associate in 2017, and he was threatening the man, and the man, out of fear, sent him first $100,000 and then $5 million, adding to a total of $5.1 million. And that was essentially happening in a trial that was simultaneous with the events of the submersible. Now, if the information of the submersible had come out instantaneously after they knew two days later, everybody would have been fully aware of what's happening with Biden and his son Hunter. But because of needing to stretch this submersible as far as it can go, disaster that happened as far as you.

Cristina: Could possibly put it to the actual limit of, like, okay, now we stop. As soon as we think this.

Jack: As soon as there's literally no way to keep stretching.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, that's it.

Jack: As soon as there's literally nothing else we can do to validly stretch this out longer, then we're obligated, and that's when we do it.

Cristina: Wow.

Jack: But it ended up working out because at the end of the day, people weren't paying attention. Most people have no idea this even happened. So that's a little bit of sketchy going on there. And a lot of this information came out because of a IRS whistleblower that was fully aware of the transactions happening in Hunter Biden's laptop.

Cristina: So crazy.

Jack: So this is an FBI whistleblower, a CIA whistleblower.

Cristina: There's a lot of whistleblower blowers popping up.

Jack: IRS whistleblower, all three. That happened quite recent times. Yes, very strange. But people are wanting to tell the truth, so that's important.

Cristina: The one of the recent one with the UFOs, does this somehow relate to that?

Jack: Say that again.

Cristina: That recently, the whistleblower about the UFOs.

Jack: What? Whistleblower about the UFOs.

Cristina: The guys that came out because they saw UFOs and everything that we recently talked about. Like, does anyone care about that anymore? Is that what news?

Jack: I don't know. Everybody's obsessed with the submarine.

Cristina: Oh, okay. That was fast. That was fast. Okay.

Jack: We live in America. Nobody gives a s*** about anything here. Whatever's next and shiny, it's nothing but dumb people obsessed with whatever's new. But, yeah, so basically a lot of these documents were suppressed. And not only that, in the same amount of time, 47 million emails were given to the government from JP Morgan and from Jeffrey Epstein's direct email. Those were handed over to the government. Not the interesting part about that because everybody kind of figured that there was some stuff there. But really it's the, it's the fact that they deleted 47 million emails, 100% of them. So by accident. That's their excuse. By accident, the government got a hold of the 47 million email list from.

Cristina: Exactly what did you say?

Jack: JP Morgan and Epstein both had many, many, many interactions and people associated with them or in those emails as well as them and the activities they've done. Any kind of discussion relative to the idea. So 47 million emails, that is 100% of the emails were deleted by the United States government by accident, according to by accident. Which tells us a couple of things. Primarily that a bunch of. A bunch of American justice system officials must have been in on the island because it stopped being about getting the information out. Now 47 million emails route. Oh, oh no, no, no. Everything has to go. We can't look through it. That's too much. But somebody will look through it and then they'll find us. Get rid of all the evidence. This is the corruption of the FBI. The FBI is also now on trial for a continuous suppression of information surrounding the vaccines, surrounding everything. Yeah. Racial disparity, confiscated information, rigging elections. All of this is currently being discussed right now. And the FBI had everything to do with everything.

Cristina: Even before our time. They were doing things they shouldn't.

Jack: They've always been corrupt. They've always been corrupt. It is an institution that has had nothing but corruption and should definitely be torn apart.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: It is a broken, broken, broken, absurdly broken institution. It really is messed up. But as the FBI goes on trial, we still have what happening. This, the Titan submersible happening. The events of getting these people out. You kind of want the suppression to happen as much as possible. All of this is happening underneath that. 47 million emails deleted. Nobody knew why. Because they were worried about four billionaires and a child. Not even billionaires. Four explorers and a child. That again, nobody on that submersible was a billionaire. That's another narrative created by the same people were using the opportunity in any way. I knew that. I knew there was something off about saying they're billionaires. It was entirely about getting people focused on or our tax dollars are being wasted on getting these lose losers out of there. This random yes, not one of them is a billionaire. It was a clever distraction, but it was an Absolute necessity that I guess Biden needed in order to keep as few people's eyes on the fact that they're about to prove that your son took a bunch of f****** money.

Cristina: You're corrupt. That his son, his.

Jack: His drug addict son was just doing things that are to make a profit himself by helping his dad acquire five million dollars. This happened in two sessions. The hundred thousand and then the five million. I would argue that the hundred thousand was for Hunter and that the 5 million was for Biden. Two pieces. One guy got his drug money and the other one has his. I'm going to be not a president soon. Let me secure my safety. Except you didn't do it with the elegance that Obama did.

Cristina: Yes, because like no one know this.

Jack: Nobody noticed. Obama came in, set up everything to be rich for the rest of his life. Got out subtle. Everybody's fully. But also this is a like a corpse. It's not the clearest human.

Cristina: He trusted that guy. Did they say his password was like his name or something?

Jack: Yeah, it was so dumb. And he took it to like a regular corner store computer place to fix it.

Cristina: Like they would know who he is.

Jack: Yeah, like he didn't take his lap. I mean they didn't know who he is. But the fact it was like this isn't. You're not treating it like it's top secret s***. You're taking a important laptop to a random store and walking away from your really important laptop. Not that anybody knew what was happening in that store. They knew the h*** knows what Hunter Biden looks like, let's be real. But you dropped it off. Luckily they just fixed it. And then he left and retrieved his laptop. But that's still ridiculous that he would even do that outside the point. He probably got $100,000. His dad probably got $5 million. All of this was just a cover up for that fact. The fact that Hunter Biden is in fact a corrupt little s***. But coming back to the sounds that were happening in the submersible, the explosions. Well, the explosion only happened on the first day. Yeah, the explosion happened on the first day and then we have banging following. I'm dying to know from Wednesday. Why.

Cristina: I just want to know what could that be about with the banging sounds.

Jack: Yeah, probably something happening on the water. But interesting thing about the. I guess not even the banging sounds. More about the Titanic situation that's happening. The people go down to go look at the Titanic on a screen from inside of a submarine. I don't know. Again, I don't understand why they Send the remote control device, record it, bring it up, and then watch it on the screen. I'm not going to argue the logic of what they did. I'm still convinced they're not there when that implodes. Yeah, that's all part of the distraction, but whatever. So, emails deleted from Epstein's island being covered up by this. Going to look for the Titanic situation. Yeah, this is where the banging comes in because, oh, my God, there's banging on the water. Everybody gets souped. Oh, my God. Maybe they're still down there. We got somewhere to look around the exact same time that the emails and the laptops show up inside the court, and after the FBI thought they somehow buried that, it just shows up and the guy's like, oh, no, I got it, and we're submitting it to the court. It was very. It was very f****** important that at this very moment, people not be looking. This was so g****** crucial, because who the f*** was on that island? That's in the emails. Those emails. Kaploof disappeared. 47 million emails. They have the f****** laptop. Meaning.

Cristina: Wait, the laptop also has those emails? Or this is a different laptop.

Jack: They have the laptop from the FBI that has Epstein's emails in it. They've confiscate. Okay, so there's a couple of laptops. Yeah, they're out here confiscating laptops.

Cristina: Hunter Biden also has this in his laptop.

Jack: Like, no, they're out here confiscating laptops. There's a laptop from JP Morgan, there's one from Jeffrey Epstein, and there's one from Hunter Biden. Okay, the one from Hunter Biden was the transactions happening with the Chinese officials that gave him 100,000 and then $5 million. The laptop with the exchanges happening with Epstein between Epstein and JP Morgan. People on the island contain 47 million emails that have been passed back and forth between the people who visited his island. That means that he had names of people who have been to the island. But. But. And this is the most important part of what I'm saying relative to this s***. This was submitted with all the data to the court, and then the email disappeared. Let's be clear. Of course. Yes. The laptop with 47 million emails gets handed to the government, and the government says, Whoops, we deleted 47 million emails. Nobody in the government seems to be complaining about it, though. It's just, oh, it happened. We're sorry.

Cristina: Was everyone on that island like, what is happening? Why were we not invited?

Jack: Everybody must have been on that island.

Cristina: There is just too many Too many people.

Jack: If it's everybody's f****** the kids. As time goes forward, we find out if you've got power, you've been inside a child. I don't understand. Not only that, one of these politicians goes on record to discuss that they are literally making blood rituals with what's on the island. Children. And what does that mean? Adrenochrome. Except this guy says it by name. He says it by name?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He says adrenochrome by name. Says there are rituals happening on the island.

Cristina: That's something recent or that's the old news.

Jack: But he says that about the island. There are rituals happening with the children. Blood and trafficking and all. He literally says adrenochrome. This happens the day after the submersible disappears. Two days later. Now we're on Wednesday when we hear the banging. That guy has a heart attack and falls out his window.

Cristina: That happened that during that time.

Jack: That happened during that time. There's a heart attack and falls out his window. So this guy who's talking about the island and talking about rituals got too close to that fire because you're talking straight up s*** about the place and literally talking about what they're doing there. By chance, you happen to have a heart attack while just having a cigar out your window, and then you. You somehow stumbled, right? Quote, unquote, and then you fall a bunch of stories. Whoops. Whoops. I've smoked out this window a bunch of times. I guess I was nervous about what I said, and I just. My nerves got to me and I fell out of my.

Cristina: He had a heart attack.

Jack: Yeah, allegedly.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What a chance. What are the odds? Also, he had just had a meeting with one of. With a senator. He had a meeting with the senator? No, no, no. He had a meeting with a senator in his apartment that very day. And then he has a heart attack while having a cigar, cigarette or something falls out the window.

Cristina: Whoa, Whoa. Adrenochrome. For some reason, I thought adrenochrome would pop up, but I didn't think. I though. I don't know what I thought. I didn't know how. I guess I knew it, but I didn't know what. Relative to Epstein about this whole submarine thing.

Jack: Yeah, Always, always, always.

Cristina: It always pops up. And like, I was like, no way. No way. But in the back of my mind, I was like, yeah, it's definitely because.

Jack: Why not? It's definitely always. Yes, 100%. It's always. It's always f****** adrenochrome.

Cristina: It's ch. Because I really didn't think so. I mean, I thought so, but I was like, but how?

Jack: Well, some dude talked about it and the situation with the submersible was used to cover up murdering that guy.

Cristina: Insane.

Jack: That was a really convenient moment. People are idiots. This is the same thing that happened when gender changed. Genders, bills and corruption and every. Well, again, the news cycle is a distraction tool and people are stupid. People will fall for whatever, dude. Anything gets put there and they create outrage. Oh my God. Jenners change gender. We're totally for it. We're totally against it. Chances are the people on both sides of that argument aren't even real people. They're just people paid to behave this way. Yes, 100%, because you got to create the division. That's why CNN and Fox argue all the time. But they're owned by the same grandparent company. What the f*** does that mean? That means the same people own the conflicting stations that are bipartisan. One is left, one is right.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: But they're owned by the same people. In theory, one person comes and pays and it's like, I need you to use your tools for my advantage. And now both of these opposing things can just create division in order to keep people focused. This could be done an infinite number of times for whatever. So Jeffrey Epstein changes his gender. CNN is for it, Fox is disrespected.

Cristina: So Jeffrey Epstein.

Jack: What'S the name? Bruce Jenner. Yeah, and then we have the insurrection happen, quote, insurrection, unquote. And then the. The right is totally for it and the right is totally not. But what happens there? We get bills pass. We get a bunch of crap pass in that time, in that distraction. So now we have something that isn't even politically driven. More like the, the. The gender situation where it's some other person who isn't political is nothing to do with politics.

Cristina: They're gonna blow it up.

Jack: Gonna blow it up and make it consume everything. Everything entirely. So again, division is importantly. Delete hundreds of millions of emails. Millions of emails. We totally bury what happened with Hunter Biden after it's publicly stated. But who's gonna see it?

Cristina: We're distracted by probably kill a few people. Like we know about that guy. But like who else was killed during this time?

Jack: Absurd. Yes, absurd. And again, the names of the people on the list of who was on the island of Jeffrey Epstein's island disappeared. Now we won't know. Now we won't know. They're safe. It's all just gone. Epstein got away with it. It's all gone. They Got away with it. It's all gone. There's nothing we could do. Disappeared. Poof. Gone.

Cristina: It doesn't even make sense. There has to be like someone on the island that actually knows.

Jack: Like there's no way that everybody knows. But what are they gonna do about it? Yeah, you're probably dead if you know. And if you're on the island, who knows you're on the island? You probably definitely disappeared. As soon as. As soon as the island was discovered and the program is done, a mass execution probably took place. Okay, just get rid of anybody who's gonna say some s***. Yeah, get rid of the children. Those kids are dead. We need f****** make all the adrenochrome get. F*** it. We don't. They're gonna find the kids. Yeah, we're gonna lose the opportunity. Make as much as you can right now.

Cristina: You think maybe they just not teleported. Transferred them somewhere else?

Jack: It's totally possible that happened with the cages in the United States when it came to the immigrants inside of cages, which is probably the same thing. Adrenochrome, some kind of fear driven thing. Separate the kids from the parents. Why do you need to do that? Throw them all in the same cages? No, separate the kids from the parents. And then you have the kids by themselves. Fear. But the parents didn't get moved. They were in regular penitentiaries. Where were the children? The children were in unique warehouse cages. And what happened when they were found? Disappeared. The cage disappeared with the children. They got moved somewhere. Where? How do we even have more places this size to put them? They just disappeared and they're somewhere else or they're absolutely gone because Adrenochrome.

Cristina: Yep. Okay. What?

Jack: Corruption.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Same time all of this is happening. Same time all of this is happening. Not only are we dealing with Hunter Biden in front of the Senate and Congress, but they're also voting as to whether we are now going to impeach President Biden.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Most people have no idea that was even happening. There was not even a f****** whisper about that. That was happening. At the same time the vote for impeaching Biden was happening underneath that too.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yep. All good. You could just google that. It's just there. It's on there. But nobody's gonna talk about it. It's just there. You can watch the video. There's cameras in there. You could watch it happen. But nobody was gonna talk about it because everybody was what focus on the submarine?

Cristina: So what happened though?

Jack: We don't know. We gotta find out what the Vote is. But again, this happened at that time. Weird. What a complicated mess. Not even all of it.

Cristina: Not even all of it.

Jack: Not even all of it. Oh, there's more. Because at that same time, it turns out that The Pentagon found 6 billion extra dollars that they had sent to Ukraine to help Zelensky continue his mass execution of Russians.

Cristina: Of course.

Jack: Okay, but of course we can't. Now people know Zelinsky is a maniac who's out there just executing anybody with guns or without. He doesn't care. He's. It's a revenge story now, so we.

Cristina: Have to cover that up.

Jack: So we got to cover up that we're gonna continue helping him because he can turn on us. And then what we gave we. Are we armed that guy so exaggeratedly gave him nuclear power. Why? And now we're in some weird corner where we're like, we can't go back on our word because then we're the liars. So we funded him some more, but.

Cristina: We also want him to get rid of.

Jack: Yeah, because we have an issue with that other gang. We kind of need those resources because that's kind of what we do. We make people fight each other and then we take their stuff. Yeah, that's our game. It's our game. All of this. All of this s*** happened just underneath a news cycle that was about four explorers and a kid who went missing in a submarine.

Cristina: That's so sad.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: Man, that's. That is pretty crazy. I don't know what's worse. It's all pretty horrible. Okay. Horrible.

Jack: Now this is all the provable s***. This is all just provable conspiracy time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The wife of the guy who owns the company that went down into the submarine is directly related to the Rothschild family, which also happens to be one of the families that owns most of the things that run Earth. Kind of like the same company that owns CNN and Fox. It happens to also own the rights to Walt Disney. That happens to also own the rights to a lot of streaming services, most television services, a bunch of major companies including Johnson and Johnson, which distributes vaccines. Just parent companies that own kind of everything.

Cristina: This is her getting rid of her husband. I don't understand.

Jack: Why would she be getting rid of her husband? No, it's a point. They have enough power to disappear if they wanted to. Oh, okay, that's where you went to, getting rid of her husband? No, obviously, she has the power to make people disappear. They can just vanish from the public eye forever if they want to. She has that kind of money. She has that kind of connection. She's direct descendant from that bloodline. She's part of the Rothschild family and.

Cristina: She just was helping them.

Jack: That's a conspiracy. That is the conspiracy that this was known. This is orchestrated intentionally, knowing a lot was going to happen. That's why so much was packed into such a short amount of time. It was intentional.

Cristina: So they.

Jack: If this was orchestrated.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And that's why the explosion happened. Maybe preemptively or something. And they're like, oh, no, we can't talk about it. It was supposed to happen at the end of the timer or whatever. That's also why the timer's there, to kind of keep people looking. All of this well orchestrated to keep people's focus and attention. People's focus and attention away from the things that they shouldn't be seeing. And maybe nobody got hurt. Double opportunity. Talk to the Rothschild lady. Get everything organized, because they control even presidents. Get everything organized. Make these people disappear. Use that situation. They're not even dead. They're totally fine somewhere else. Use the situation as a way to distract from the big picture that's happening over here.

Cristina: But they wouldn't be going to her for help. It would be her family already coming up with all this plan.

Jack: Yes. Because they run everything.

Cristina: Because they run it. Yeah.

Jack: And it's about keeping as much piped down as possible so they can continue doing their secret Earth controlling bs with.

Cristina: Also a genochrome sprinkled on top.

Jack: Yes. Which is absolutely what the f*** the case is. Because Rothschild family is also connected to Epstein's island and Ipsy's island is not a pedophile ring. And human trafficking, although human trafficking is happening, is not about that, apparently. It seems that according to this senator or congressman or whoever the f*** that was, they got killed. He said blatantly and literally called it by name, that they are out there making rituals for Adrenochrome. So. Holy f***. Okay. Adrenochrome shows up everywhere. We have giant political scandals happening and we have a lot of suppression of information. And what shows up? Adrenochrome. Sounds about right. Bunch of filthy rich politicians, Something weird happening. Adrenochrome shows up. Fantastic. But the story gets weirder because again, we talked about all the facts. Now we're gonna get to where it gets weird. It hasn't gotten weird yet.

Cristina: But the adrenal problem's not weird.

Jack: Okay, that is nowhere near the weird part.

Cristina: Okay, what's the weird part?

Jack: Nowhere near the weird part. So the Titanic that was going to be seen, the ship that crashed many, many, many long time ago. So the Titanic was found in the 1980s. The Titanic was found in a very specific region of the ocean. North Atlantic. And in the North Atlantic, the American government had a long time ago, from the 60s, two submarines, they had nuclear weaponry equipped on them. The nuclear submarines both stopped functioning and sank to the bottom in an area really, really, really close to the Titanic. So yeah. So the guy who found the Titanic was actually funded by the United. This is fact. This is all fact. This is declassified. It used to be classified, but it's been declassified and there's even a document documentary about it. And this guy has been allowed to talk about it ever since. So the idea of keeping it a secret was so that the Russians wouldn't follow them down there. Well, they're just going to look for a ship. Not nuclear power.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay, you see, so two ships. One is called. Let me see if I could find the names of these things. One is called the Scorpion. The USS Scorpion. And the other one's called the USS Thrasher. Both equipped with extremely advanced technology and nuclear power. There were two missions he had to accomplish. This is not a military guy. He is a underwater explorer.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But he's been funded by the United States government to do a secret mission.

Cristina: Secret. Wow, that's so crazy.

Jack: Two objectives. Find both vessels is objective number one. I guess technically it's three. So find both vessels, objective number one. Two, retrieve specific technology that exists inside Thrasher. And three, find out what the nuclear power that was aboard the ship is doing to the region. We have no conception and this is a great study moment so that we can use it in the future if something interesting is going on. That was the original goal. He solved all of that in three days and so have 12 days to go for the expedition where they told him. Now you can go to look at to the Titanic.

Cristina: What? Ta da. Because it wasn't that close to the.

Jack: Ted hat it wasn't like right next to it. But it's in the general area. It's in the general area of the Titanic. The general area where what happened? The submersible went down that general area.

Cristina: And how are they connected or they're not connected? Oh, the submersible.

Jack: The submersible is connected. And that they were going underwater to look at the Titanic.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This happened to be in the area where the Titanic was found and where these actual non Submersible. Yes, I mean technically submersible, but actual submarines with nuclear power there now still nowhere near the weird part. I know that's what you're waiting for. And you're so impatient, it kills me on the inside. But the guy was fully aware. It was not a surprise. He had the exact coordinates where to go to find these submarines, and the only thing he had to look for was the Titanic. That doesn't have technology that you can track.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The submarines, they knew exactly where they were. It was instant how he found that. We're talking about a pretty large region, but if we think of the size of the ocean, it's kind of minuscule.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And so he goes. This is. He finds the Titanic specifically in the north Atlantic about 12,000ft underneath the ocean. After he's acquired the mission complete notices for the submarines that were abandoned in the 60s because of XYZ reasons, he gets the information, he gets out of there. The region that is above that water just. Just so happens to be. Just so happens to be one of the three Atlantic spots that has an absurd amount of UAP sightings.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Just by mere chance. And we have. And let me elaborate why. Those two submarines that are underwater are very, very, very, very important. They're the only two vessels that they know where there are. Out of all the vessels that have disappeared in that region, there are many things that have gone missing right there. Weird, because it's not the Bermuda Triangle, and I've never heard about this before, but they were glad to tell us that there's s*** missing in that area.

Cristina: Was he afraid that he'd go missing?

Jack: He didn't know.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: Why would they tell him that?

Cristina: I guess he could do the research. Unless there was not.

Jack: There was nothing that was not declassified. It was still classified when he was doing it. It was declassified after mission complete.

Cristina: Wonderful. Their backup plan would have been if he just disappeared, like, don't talk about it, I guess. Whoa.

Jack: Simple.

Cristina: Okay. So a bunch of. What was it you UAPs.

Jack: Yeah. So a bunch of UAP sightings happen in this area and have been happening in this area for seemingly as long as we have been exploring this area. Fascinating details. Two details about this are kind of very, very, very interesting. Reports from Navy ships. See, two things, one of which we've heard a million times. These ships seem to go in and out of the water okay, so effortlessly and without losing. This is. They're not hovering necessarily. Not just hanging out over it and disappear off. No. They go in and out of the water like that. Like. Nothing. Do not lose speed. Don't seem to. Nothing, Nothing. They're just in and out. Perfect. Many times they see many different ones. Some are just in the air. Some seem to be just underwater. But again, an area where they have seen them fully in and out of the water. Now, the second part of this we've never heard before. This is the first time I've ever heard this specific utterance happen, which is in on many different occasions. Glowing came from the water. This is initially what got them to want to go find these submersibles that were the only things they could track. There's other stuff down there, but they're like in this region, there is glowing. Aside from what we've seen, there is glowing happening coming from the water. Seems to be deep, deep, deep in the water, something radiating. Maybe it's nuclear things on top of their.

Cristina: At least telling the guy. Exploring.

Jack: Because no idea. If that's what they told the guy, there's no reason they would need to tell him anything about the. If it's glowing, why would he go down there? That means the water that he's entering is radioactive and he would die anyways. Why would they tell him that? They told him nothing. It makes sense that they would tell him nothing. He cannot know because he won't do it. Oh, why would you go underwater where there are alien sightings and there is glowing f****** water where you know factually there is nuclear weaponry underwater. Why would you go in. There's no reason. They did not tell him that. They will not tell him that. You wouldn't tell somebody. Look, there's a shark over there, and he's probably really hungry, hasn't eaten in a long time, and he's probably gonna kill you. But there's a treasure chest on the other side. You're probably a 1% chance gonna get there. No, you're gonna tell him there's a treasure chest over there. Can you go get it? And you get to keep 90% of what's in there. If you come back with it. You don't tell him about the shark on the off chance he actually gets it. You have to treasure. But you're not gonna be like, there's a f****** shark and you're definitely gonna die. He's gonna be like, f*** that treasure. I'm not gonna get the treasure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there's no chance in f***. That they told him anything. They didn't tell him anything. That's not gonna happen. They said nothing to him. But there's glowing in this region where the submersibles are again. This came out after the fact when he was done.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's how this came out. So we have glowing coming from the water, not the surface. The water itself isn't flowing. That was very, very clear. The water isn't what's glowing. There's something deep in the water that's glowing. Never have I heard of this before. This is the first. And we've looked into a lot of weird different things. The first time I've heard of these utter. That is just the water. Something deep within the water was glowing. Now UAPS are happening. We have glowing in the water. You cross reference where other UAPS have been seen. They are, you know, trans Terra and coming in and out of water effortlessly coming through the ground and stuff. And there's one other place that seems to have a very, very, very strong consistency with this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And that is surrounding the Bermuda Triangle.

Cristina: So you're saying this is the area.

Jack: Surrounding the Bermuda Triangle has a lot of ships coming in and out of the water effortlessly. Nobody goes into the Bermuda Triangle. But the area surrounding it. Perfectly fine. But there's a lot of sightings in that area of things coming in and out of the water.

Cristina: Yes. Now we have a lot of weird stuff happening.

Jack: But we know why it's happening around the Bermuda Triangle. That's the obvious conclusion to make. We're talking about Atlanteans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fine. Totally fine. And UAPS in general are Atlanteans exploring different parts of the ocean. There's something way specific about it being in a concentrated area where technology continues to go missing.

Cristina: Stealing our technology that way.

Jack: They wouldn't need to steal our technology. They're significantly more advanced.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's also whatever the glow is. Most likely. But, but, but what this brings into question, and this is a question we've asked before. If these civilizations are so g****** old, why are they so self contained? Why are there so few of them? You can fit all of them in the Bermuda Triangle. Unless you can.

Cristina: And you have different spots.

Jack: And you have different spots. There's a capital and we know of the capital. But like any civilization, you spread out. And if you got the technology to continue spreading out underneath the water, why the would you come out of the water?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which you do. But not to go live.

Cristina: Interesting. That might not even be the largest spot that they live in.

Jack: Like the Bermuda Triangle is just the capital. Most likely it's the first place they went to. Because we can track that. Biblically speaking, we can track them going to the Bermuda Triangle. Biblically speaking. We can see statues, we can see paths leading down there. That's just the first place that does not mean the biggest, that does not mean the last. This gives us a bit of proof that we need it. They might be everywhere.

Cristina: They have to be everywhere. The ocean is so dangerous. Like, what if those big storms, though, have more to do with them than it does with how the world works?

Jack: Don't even know. Could be 100%. Could be. But the fact that we see UAPS everywhere on Earth now, we start to build a better image. So you did move from one place to another, but there's still people here. That's the most sacred place. That's probably like the. The Islamic building that people go and always pray in the direction of that. Like, it could be that to them, it's just the most important location. Either that or it would have been the Persian Gulf. But they moved everything from there to the Atlantic Ocean to the Bermuda Triangle. So this is a new home. This is the new first home that's going to spread out from this point.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we're seeing proof of that spread through these stories. Not through the stories in the North Atlantic. They're in the mid Atlantic. That's where the Triangle is. It's closer to the equator in the mid Atlantic. But in the North Atlantic is where we have the Titanic and where we have these submersibles, which are just three out of six. Well, actually the number was unspecified first. So before the 90s, this place was not visited again. Except for the guy who went there in the 80s.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The two submarines disappeared in the 60s. But those are the only two pieces that we talk about, the submarines. Because the only things we can track. They knew exactly where the submarines were. Yeah, Those weren't the only things gone. There's dozens of vessels that have disappeared in this region. This is essentially another Bermuda Triangle.

Cristina: Yes. Awesome.

Jack: This is another Bermuda Triangle in the North Atlantic. And things continue to go missing.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: So the submarines. All we can track. We know the submarines are near the Titanic. What a coincidence. What a f****** coincidence that almost a hundred years apart. I guess 50 years apart. Really about 50. Maybe like 70 years apart in the same spot.

Cristina: Because something weird is happening down there.

Jack: Something weird is happening down there. It's working at a different scale than we are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Different time progression than we are. So to us, it looks like a really long time. But they're still there. They're still there. Fascinating. So we have Atlantean spreading out. They're somehow here for whatever reason, gathering these things, probably to continue to keep themselves a secret, taking technology. And this guy goes, he discovers the two things he goes and he finds a Titanic. Many years later, reports come out, we find out the truth. Whatever. Him going down there was the last Visit until the 90s. Following the 90s, they were like, okay, you know, he found things down there, whatever, and he had. There have been vessels returning straight to the Titanic. They haven't explored any other region. It seems passage to the Titanic has been permitted, maybe because the Titanic had no advanced technology on it, but so repeat visits are going on perfectly fine. On three separate occasions, starting in 1990 to the current day, a total of four vessels have traveled through there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Three submerged submarines and one ship, all of which have gone missing and haven't been reported publicly.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, it's just not something that made it to the news, but is out there. So I guess it's been reported publicly, but not through media. So four known vessels have entirely disappeared around the same region where the Titanic and the two, the Thrasher and the Scorpion submarines have gone missing. There have been three other submarines and one boat totally disappear in the same f******.

Cristina: There's other people that are coming and going and don't disappear.

Jack: They don't disappear, but these have. Yes, it seems that passage to the Titanic is fine. But it seems. And particularly the same guy has been going down every time. That's another weird detail about the story. The same guy goes on every expedition. Nobody else has gone down there without him. He's the. He's been on every expedition down there. So the argument is he has safe passage down there. He specifically has safe passage down there.

Cristina: Wait, you're like saying the aliens are letting people.

Jack: Yeah. Land.

Cristina: Like it's. They're choosing who can explore that side.

Jack: No, there's only one guy who has been repeatedly down there. And it's the same guy, okay, over and over. The same guy over and over. He's made 30 trips to the Titanic perfectly fine. He always comes back. Somehow, three submarines and a naval ship totally disappear. But he can absolutely just come in and out in s*****, low quality submarines. He could just do this over and over, perfectly fine. Nothing happens. Fully armed to the teeth, ships come through finish.

Cristina: Is it because his tech isn't as advanced?

Jack: Our tech isn't that advanced either. Our tech is nowhere near that advanced. Not even a little. But still, crap goes missing. Something weird about the sky. Or we are lying about our tech. One or the other. Something's going on.

Cristina: Something's weird about this guy. He was able to do it.

Jack: Well, he's dead now.

Cristina: But he's now dead. Yes, yes. So eventually still eventually, it still happens. He was gonna die there.

Jack: Well, what's most interesting about this story, because there's been a million trips on there. This is the only. Let's. I must say this very slowly because it gets really interesting and follows our original discoveries about this. This is the first time that the entire event was being publicized. It was on TV that they were going down there before they did it. It wasn't after the fact that it happened. It was already being discussed. And these guys are gonna go down there and a bunch of rich guys went on the thing. And interesting. This is the first time that it turned into a spectacle that people can tune in to watch a bunch of people go in the direction that they shouldn't be going. People that didn't want to be seen had somebody who had clean passage one. They decide, I'm gonna put this on tv. And then he dies.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Now we got a whole different picture going on after it starts to go on tv. The guy who's had clean passage back and forth, he could bring anybody. They let him go there over and over. They trust this guy. But then he's like, I'm a prophet off of the TV part of this. And then. Okay, now you're done.

Cristina: Now he did.

Jack: Now he did. Weird and incredibly consistent. Incredibly consistent. Not even the weirdest part yet.

Cristina: How. Okay.

Jack: Because the weirdest part is the connection that we're failing to make out loud right now. That in the same breath, we finally have, factually, Atlanteans and Adrenochrome. We finally got a hold of a situation in which we know factually both coexist.

Cristina: Okay. But they don't seem to be related.

Jack: They don't seem to be related. We've just gotten close enough that the situations involved both of them. That's where we stand.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's how far this has gotten. For years, we have dug deep as h*** into Adrenochrome. And once we opened the alicorn door, it just spiraled straight at the Atlanteans and has not stopped since. Everything just became about them instantaneously. For the first time, we knew they were connected somehow. We just got way closer to that happening. We have Adrenochrome fact.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And Atlanteans fact.

Cristina: Simultaneously, they relate. Besides that, they were by chance. By chance. Just by chance.

Jack: By chance.

Cristina: So strange. That is so crazy. But doesn't mean anything.

Jack: It doesn't. We just don't know what. It doesn't. We just don't know what. Because one is entirely politically connected and the Other one is entirely about privacy. It seems that just by chance these two situations have crossed paths. That's it. It looks like by chance, a bunch of people who f*** with adrenochrome cross the people who have the alicorn. That's it. Let's say it by chance. Chances are, realistically, the submersible goes. The government has decided that we're gonna use the events, probably just the conversation. We're gonna make a giant spectacle of these people going down there and exploring. Maybe finding something awesome, maybe finding something great at the Titanic. Cool, bro, sure. Great. And we're gonna flood all the media stations with it. We're gonna use the Rothschild family to bend every, every, every media, every news media outlet that exists on f****** Earth and bend it all in the favor of talking just about these people going down there to explore this amazing ship and this great exploration of a bunch of people who is great. We're gonna air the crap out of it. We're gonna build, bury everything that's about to happen this week. We're going to orchestrate this to bury everything that's going to happen this week.

Cristina: So even if they stayed alive, you think we would have been focused?

Jack: Yeah, I think this was all planned. I think the implosion was unintentional. I think that wasn't part of the plan. That's why they didn't know what to do with the information. That's why it was. Oh, hold it. Because this happened sooner. Well, it was never supposed to happen. Or if it was supposed to happen, was supposed to happen later. Yeah, but we're like, we just got to deal with the situation as it is. Hold the data. Something went wrong. We don't know what went wrong. This was supposed to happen a 92 hours from now. 92 hours from now, they're supposed to die and we're good. Or at least we say they die. And we're all good because we flooded news media outlets with this bullshit. We got all our crap done, but the focus on putting cameras on this and talking about this. Somebody was like, this ain't happening. And so it happens earlier than it needs to. Because somebody was like, you're not doing this. You're not even doing this a little. Two hours in, it's a six hour trip. Two hours and they weren't even halfway there. Two hours and they're just done.

Cristina: You think that's the Atlantean?

Jack: That's the Atlanteans. You're not going to record us. You're not showing anybody where we are. We gave you passage a million times and now you're turning on us. You're done. End of story. So that happens. Then they're like, well, we're going to use this anyways. Let's twist the narrative. Instead of showing this amazing thing and finding something amazing on there or whatever the case might be. Well, they died. Let's get in, jump in ahead of time. Let's figure it out. And so it's about the death. Now the whole rich people thing. Bend. It's bending. It's bending. Bending it all late. Because it wasn't about billionaires first. The billionaire part happened after they were went missing.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You can confirm that by looking at how they were being talked about beforehand and how they were being talked about afterwards. The words explorer were uttered many, many, many, many, many, many times before they got there. Billionaires entirely took over the conversation once.

Cristina: They got went missing.

Jack: After they went missing. That seems too specific. I think we have a picture here.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think they really went in. The idea was to use this as a distraction. Bury all the crap that's happening over there. It was supposed to be a Bruce Jenner situation. Nothing horrible. But create divisiveness that maybe. That maybe the sub. Because the submersible still has to be retracted. Oh, my God. They're using military technology to bring them up. And that's taxpayer dollars and. Oh, yeah, but the right exploration and the left. Yeah, but poverty and whether you create divisiveness anyways. And no, nobody gets hurt. These are people you need. These are important people. Important people. Some greatest explorers in the world. People you need for different things. And people connected to a family. That's important. They're not just gonna kill off their own important people. These are important people. And then it just backfires. So damage control. Damage control. Yeah. You're gonna bend this in our favor anyways. Because it was. We were gonna do that anyways.

Cristina: So with the banging, you think that was just to distract us from the first of sound.

Jack: Right? I forgot about the banging because the banging.

Cristina: They did that to distract us.

Jack: Or so the banging is a weird one. Right? So the banging happens to be specifically way, way, way zoned in as they kind of like focus on where it's coming from. It's particularly where the same maybe mile where the glow was coming from about 10 years prior.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That was not released immediately. And that those dots weren't connected. You got to connect those dots yourself. Looking at maps, finding out and all this stuff. So where Navy ships have passed before and they have seen the glow is precisely where the banging was coming from. It just so happens to be really, really, really f****** close to where the two submarines are on the Titanic are.

Cristina: Okay, so that's probably Atlantic. Really.

Jack: That's the Atlanteans doing their.

Cristina: Okay. Unrelated to the. What's going on with.

Jack: Unrelated to the politicians. They were hearing something. What's interesting about that when it comes to the news cycle is that they knew about the first thing. They shouldn't have said anything if they knew what this was. But they were actually confused themselves. They let it slip. It was part of the. Yeah, it could be. I don't know. At this point, like they're confused and like, you know, there's banging for 20 hours. It couldn't have been the ship. The ship happened, came and went in a second fraction of a second, just done disappeared, vaporize out of existence. But banging on Wednesday, that led all the way to Thursday. A 20 hour period of just consistent banging in a region where there was glowing. There's two submarines and a ship that we know for a fact on top of four vessels that have completely gone missing that we know of and are on record after the 90s and dozens of other ones that before the 90s went missing.

Cristina: What is happening?

Jack: Okay, well, we know what's happening. The Atlanteans are covering their a****. They usually do. Which tells us also that the Atlanteans are way spread out in the ocean. What we're seeing is a region that's probably really hot with Atlanteans, a focused group. A lot of them are there. So it's important to keep that. Now there's pockets, most likely. It seems like the Atlanteans most likely live life the way we do, except we do it on the surface and they do it underwater, where we have civilizations everywhere. We got people all the way in Africa and we got people all the way in Europe. And we got people. Yeah, fine. So they're also everywhere in depth. We just can't get to the end. That's all it is. Yeah, they go so deep we can't reach them. But they're not just in the Bermuda Triangle.

Cristina: Everywhere, everywhere. Have to be.

Jack: That's why we see them everywhere. That's why we see the Trans Environmental UAPs. Yes, it's Atlanteans. Everything points to that. Now we have the unique situation where we have adrenochrome crossing paths with the Atlanteans. That tells us one important weird thing. Humans use adrenochrome. It's a very Human thing. It's humans attempt to catch up while Atlanteans only use alicorn. We once had a situation where humans got a hold of alicorn, but that led to literal wars.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And miracles that led to many murders.

Cristina: Yes, yes.

Jack: We haven't heard of that for years. Since the 1700s. Well, actually the late 18th, the early 1800s, where the priests went up the mountain and saw some things they probably shouldn't have, or maybe they should have, but shouldn't have talked about it. Whatever.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: Whatever. This is. If they witnessed some things. But. Yeah, so it got weird. It was. Got interesting. And we have again, the one and only time we have come across narrative that gives us both adrenochrome and the Atlanteans. We've gotten close to something interesting, but.

Cristina: We'Re not there yet.

Jack: We're not there yet. We know they're connected somehow. Maybe. Hopefully.

Cristina: Maybe.

Jack: Well, we think they're gonna.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But it could just be that one is a version for humans and the other one's a version for Atlanteans. But I guess the oasis people, the Persian Gulf oasis people, because it just happened to be in Atlanta.

Cristina: Jesus. An Atlantean. And did he give us adrenochrome?

Jack: That is also something interesting.

Cristina: Right, but then how did he come upon it?

Jack: How did he stumble upon it? He might have been the first. He might have been the first person to experiment with adrenochrome.

Cristina: Sorry. Strange. I don't know. There's too much going on. There's too much. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. As I was doing this research, I was like, no, this can't be happening again. This doesn't end. It happens. Never ends.

Cristina: It never ends.

Jack: When it comes to the Atlanteans, it just keeps going. I don't like talking about them. It's too much. It's like when we're talking about Trump all the time, it's impossible to dodge adrenochrome. It's just like. It just floods it, bro. And adrenochrome seems to be everywhere. This time, somebody literally just screamed those words out, like, what the is going on?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But. Yeah, so that's the reality of the matter. Now, if you guys want to check out how we even landed at this freaking thing, there are so many, and they're all backed up back. It ain't even about jumping around. There's so many episodes about the Atlanteans, and it starts at Unicorn, so you could start there if you needed to be filled out. Now, when it comes to Adrenochrome problem. That's an issue. You got. You gotta look. There's a lot. There's so much. It's everywhere. The Catholic church, the United States government, secret societies, individual pocket groups, potential aliens coming out of.

Cristina: Not fictional creatures.

Jack: Oh, you're talking about creatures from the shadow realm. Everything, Everything. Everything. This is connected to everything. Some one manner. Wait does everything. Everything. All of the above. You guys can look at all of that, you can find all that stuff and you can tell us what you guys think, what you got. If you guys listen to all that and you make some connections that are amazing, come and tell us any detail, you know, share it with us. You can find us in all the socials that just kind of will pop pod. That's Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and Tik Tok.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, right. And review the show.

Jack: And word of mouth is very important. Tell everybody about the show and maybe somebody, you know, knows a couple of details that they can give us or point us in the right direction so we can keep digging into this.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening Sa.

Jack: Good morning.

Cristina: The podcast is hosted by Christina Colazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Thoughts info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 24, 2023

Rambling 231: Missing Titanic Explorers

June 24, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What happened to the vessel that went missing on the way to the ruins of the Titanic? Who were the individuals onboard? And what could be done now? The duo unpack the case of the missing Explorations’ Titan Submersible that vanished on the way to the Titanic.

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Topics Discussed:

Exploring Titanic
Missing Submersible
Mr. Stockton Rush
The Vessel Expeditions Titan
Ocean Gate
Titanic’s Greatest Explorer

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in five, four.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we're ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today's absurd and baffling idea is really, really just more of a weird instance and tragedy caused by stupidity and greed.

Cristina: That's awesome. No, that's not awesome. That's so sad. What happened?

Jack: Is it sad?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Okay, so I know the world is fully aware of the submersible that has vanished in an expedition to go view the Titanic two miles beneath the ocean, down in the ocean floor. So I just kind of wanted to elaborate on that and talk about what has happened that people. I can't believe this really happened. This is crazy. It's rare that we have instances like this that come along in the past. That happened all the time. Ships would go out of the sea and disappear.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And planes would vanish. It's nothing new. It's just highly uncommon now. But the problem is that the situation has so many interesting little details. So let's begin. There is a company called Oceangate and Oceangate is a obvious ocean exploration company.

Cristina: They sell just by submarines. Yeah. Boats and all that.

Jack: All of the above. They explore ocean related things and they are the go to company for when you want to go particularly deep. They have many, many things. Now they recently, about a year ago went on this vessel into. They went on an expedition down to see the Titanic and it went well, everything was fine. So they decided to prepare for another expedition this year. And in doing so they got five people total, four of which were passengers. One was the pilot that to pay $2,250,000 per person to go down and see the Titanic in person.

Cristina: Is that common or this is something super rare?

Jack: Extremely rare. It is. There's not much that could go down there.

Cristina: Yeah, but like I guess submarine tourism, is that also super rare? Like I don't know, just going in the water like that, like not just to see the Titanic.

Jack: No idea if submarine tourism is common. I know that this company does things like this. I don't know if the tourism part is the common part. I know that they have expeditions and a lot of these people are explorers. So I don't know if they themselves qualify as tourists.

Cristina: Okay, wait, the people that were paid, they do things like this?

Jack: Yes. Everybody on that ship is a specialized something.

Cristina: Oh, this is s***.

Jack: That the media doesn't talk about. They're just like a bunch of billionaires went in it. Well, fun fact. Not one of them is a billionaire. That was made up. What media doing its usual nonsense, making s*** up. 250,000. They must be filthy rich. Not one of them is a billionaire. But they keep saying billionaires went underwater.

Cristina: And then why are they saying. Do you have any idea?

Jack: I don't. Because CNN and Fox like to make up narratives. I don't know. That's the common thing they do.

Cristina: Do you know how much they spent on.

Jack: The trick is that at least 250,000 each. Okay, yeah, 250,000 per person.

Cristina: That's kind of a lot.

Jack: Nowhere near a million dollars.

Cristina: No.

Jack: As one fourth of a million. I don't know why they thought these people were billionaires. That's not even. That's not even half of a million dollars. They're like billionaires. Where is the billionaire? You wouldn't need to multiply this by four, then multiply it again by a thousand and then you would reach $1 billion.

Cristina: Are they at least millionaires or not even that either.

Jack: Some of them. Some of them. The captain of the ship was not okay. His company has significantly more money than he does because it's company. But presumably they. Some of them are millionaires. But that is not important information. It's just people who manage to pay. Some people might have $500,000 and decide, hey, I got that sitting around and I want to do this before I die. So I'm go look at the thing.

Cristina: And they're not really do this before I die.

Jack: Well, they'd still have $250,000 in their account if they had only 500,000. So they're still set. If they're 60, they're still good for life. So the. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter if they're. Which is weird that these news outlets would focus so hard on saying the word billionaires consistently. Repeatedly. Repeatedly, over and over. All billionaires. Billionaires. There's billionaires out there. I think it was so that people would become concern and focus in on the bill. Oh my God. These rich people have gone. Oh. Because people are fascinated by rich people.

Cristina: That's so weird. I don't know. I feel like just the story itself is pretty interesting whether there was billionaires or non billionaires. But people went to see the Titanic and then disappeared. That's still pretty like, whoa, people do that. People go down there to see the Titanic. That's pretty shocking itself.

Jack: Well, it's Absolutely. Not in any possible manner, shape or form. Because nobody gave a s***. When it was worded that way a year ago that people are signing up to go do this expedition. Nobody cared. But the second that billionaires entered, even before they had gone, it made all the news.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: So nobody gives a s*** about poor people?

Cristina: That's weird.

Jack: I can tell you 100%. Nobody cares about poor people because there's a ship with 750 people that disappeared and nobody said a g****** word about that. 100 of them were children. Near the border of Greece. Nearby. Greece.

Cristina: Recently?

Jack: Yes. Happened like a week ago.

Cristina: How many people disappeared?

Jack: 750.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And 100 of them were children.

Cristina: Why? Why so many children? There's a lot of children.

Jack: They were immigrants.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: They were trying to find asylum in Greece.

Cristina: Do you know where they were coming from?

Jack: Pakistan.

Cristina: Okay. Oh, my gosh. Okay.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: That's pretty horrible.

Jack: That's how it goes. Nobody gives a s*** about poor people. Everybody who's very concerned about these rich guys on this vessel that has gone down. Oh, my God, are they gonna be rescued? A ship with a hundred children on it vanished off the coast of Greece. We didn't give a f*** because they were all brown, poor people. So I will rephrase that. The amount of money changed the narrative heavily for the people interested.

Cristina: Okay, man. The news, man. Just to get a story, just to.

Jack: Get people to tune in. Yeah, you need people to tune in. It's about the views.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Cnn, fox, cbs, all these places did exactly the same s***. They needed it for the views, for the clicks.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: While these other people. One, you can't report on a bunch of brown people that disappeared. Well, not exactly, because later we found out that there was a bunch of human trafficking happening on that ship. And that's probably why it disappeared when that part came out. You can see the articles mentioning that, oh, brown people were human trafficking. Oh, yeah, yeah. We can talk about it now. But when it disappeared, nobody cared. When they were the bad guys. Suddenly. Oh, nobody cared about the innocent people who died. They only cared. Now that they can say all seven of them were traffickers.

Cristina: Harsh. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: This is America.

Cristina: Well, that's the world, isn't it? Is it just our news talking about this?

Jack: Cnn, CBS and FOX are American news outlets. I can't tell you what anybody else is playing. I don't know. Those the only ones I mentioned? Because those are the ones I saw. These are the one. The people talking all the s*** have to find other ways around to get information. Presumably the world is doing the same thing. Because if you look on just social media platforms, you won't come across it. And those are shared by everybody. So if that's the case, that means everybody on Earth is creating the same narrative.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: But I can't confirm in either direction, so I gotta say America. Okay, but probably. You're probably right. It's probably everybody. Probably every nobody. Again, this is like the Ukraine and Syria thing, right? Nobody cared when Russia attacked Syria. Those are brown people. Who gives a f***? But they attacked Ukraine. Well, those are white people. We need to arm them. We need to go help them. These people need asylum. But the same thing happened with Syrians. And we're like, no, you're coming over here. You crazy? What happens all the time? We don't give a f*** about brown people here in the United States of America, where only white lives matter. Oh, and this is a perfect example of that. A bunch of migrants left.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Didn't make it. We don't care. Until we hear human trafficking by brown people. Oh, yeah. That story's not worth it. Bunch of white people. Four, plus the captain, go underwater, disappear. Oh, no. This story is way, way more interesting than 750 people suddenly vanishing.

Cristina: That is so crazy. That is so crazy.

Jack: Five white people. Well, three white people and two Pakistanis.

Cristina: In the sub.

Jack: In the sub. Over 750. Fantastic. America.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: So now this vessel visiting the Titanic. Five passengers, $250,000 each. This s*** was not a submarine. Let's be absolutely clear. This is submersible.

Cristina: What is the summer? Because I thought it was the same thing. No, I don't know.

Jack: A submarine power itself and has an absurd amount of force to go up, down. It could take itself to shore, it could pull itself all the way up. A submersible does not have the power to do this. The best way to think about it is a scuba diver. A submersible is essentially a scuba diver. It's a person who needs a vessel to travel to the ocean and then they jump down. Usually connected to the top vessel. But if you're not going too far down, you don't need too much stuff. You could just go on your own. And if you are going particularly down, you either need excessively hard equipment and some way to be brought back up, which is essentially what this vessel was doing.

Cristina: So it was connected to something?

Jack: No, this vessel was enough to float itself up, but not get back to shore. So it goes down and it will.

Cristina: Wrap around to grab it.

Jack: Or the idea was that there was a ship to grab it. And the ship that it was in communication with lost the contact. It just disappeared.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they're like, oh, they're, we're supposed to be getting these people but they're just suddenly gone and we can't find them. What the h*** is going on?

Cristina: Okay. Yeah, because it can't go back up.

Jack: Yes, it should have been able to rise.

Cristina: Okay, yes, it can rise, but it can't.

Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't have the power to get to land on its own. It has, it doesn't have that force. And it is also like if something were to wrong with the vessel, it should at least be able to be detected so they could bring it back up with everybody safe on the inside. But contact was lost, signals were gone. So how do we find where they have gone? Okay, so that's a huge problem. But this is not a submarine. This is a submersible and a particularly crappy one. This is essentially what you can call a bootleg. Yeah, it's the Home Depot version. You know, this guy just bought a bunch of cheap s*** and designed this tube like thing.

Cristina: Yeah. But he tried it before and it was fine.

Jack: Yeah, he's actually gone on this expedition before to the Titanic with the same vessel.

Cristina: Okay. And everything was fine.

Jack: Everything was fine. This happened about a year ago. Coming back to CNN and Fox and cbs, when it came to this information, particularly CBS is the only one who got it right. They aired the video about a year ago, they talked about it. You can find all this information. Weirdly enough, in the past week, both CNN and FOX have played that same video of the previous expedition down there talking about it like it all happened in the last couple of weeks. I don't know what benefit these lies have.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The, they have videos.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Of the expedition of footage from what they saw of people signing waivers for the thing. You see one of the guys going down, he's like, oh yeah, where do I sign? It's like, oh, do you know there's potentially dangerous and whatever. And you gotta sign away so that you can't sue us if something goes wrong. And then you know, if something goes wrong, you can't sue us. And this particularly horrifying situation. So we just want to know we're safe and. And you see the guy, several people. Yeah, we're gonna sign the waiver. I'm excited. Where do I sign? Get me ready for it. Whatever. This happened a year ago. CNN and FOX played that same clip that you can see dated a year ago on cbs. Yeah, they played it and made it seem like those are the people on board. I don't know why.

Cristina: Those are not the people.

Jack: Those are not the people on board.

Cristina: Are those billing?

Jack: I don't know. Why would that matter?

Cristina: I don't know. Because that's how. Maybe that's how that information got, man.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know who the f*** those people were. They are not the people on board.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Those were other people. They are not the people who went down. That is a year old video. I don't understand why FOX and CNN do this. I don't get the. Especially when you can so easily confirm it. Because CBS didn't even do that lie. So far they've been on board with all the same bullshit. They're all lying about the same bullshit. Yeah, but I guess because CBS is the one who aired it originally.

Cristina: They can't do that.

Jack: They can't do that. But FOX and CNN didn't air originally.

Cristina: Yeah. So they also show the clips, but just be honest like yeah, this is.

Jack: From the year they should have done that. I don't understand what the f****** need to lie is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's like you guys like you stopped even make it now. You're just lying because habit.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It stopped making sense.

Cristina: Show that clips and be honest about like what makes. How does that change the story? It doesn't change the story. It makes no sense.

Jack: No, it doesn't at all. It's such a weird thing. I think the fact that they got just been lying so much. It's just bled into the culture of these two places. Well, even cbs, it's just this time they couldn't. Yeah, yeah. It's like. Are you kidding me? You guys like, what benefit? What's the benefit?

Cristina: Use the clips. Just be honest about the clips.

Jack: I think people wouldn't care if they thought that was an old video.

Cristina: But you would be seeing the. I guess. I don't know. I don't know how any of this makes sense. It all seems bizarre. Okay.

Jack: It is particularly weird. Yeah. The passengers on board, five passengers. British businessman Hamish Harding. Pakistani businessman Shahzad Dawood and his teenage son Suleiman. French explorer Paul Henry Nergiolet and the CEO of Ocean Gate, Stockton Rush. By the way, your name is cool as f***, bro. Stockton Rush.

Cristina: I guess that's pretty fire.

Jack: And you're a captain and you own freaking. What's the name of this? Bluegate. Stockton Rush, OWNER of Bluegate.

Cristina: It was an Ocean Gate.

Jack: Ocean Gate.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Oh yeah, Social. My bad, my bad. It's because I'm thinking about. I just got mixed up with Bezos Blue Oracle.

Cristina: That's why Blue Oracle.

Jack: Blue Oracle was a space thing. Oh, what the h*** was this called again? It was called Ocean Gate. Yes. So Stockton Rush, the CEO of Ocean Gate. Like what a cool business card he must have had.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: His business card should have had little lines next to his name. Like they were going fast. Like his name was Rushing. Really cool, really cool super dope name. So there's the five passengers amongst them. Some of them are considered legendary explorers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Legendary explorers. Some of which have done over 30 dives to particularly deep locations. Some of them to the Titanic since 1980, including the Captain and French explorer Paul Henry.

Cristina: Yeah, but okay then I'm confused about this submersive that people make fun of because you said it was like it was made.

Jack: It's shoddy.

Cristina: But was it really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How?

Jack: It was not a technical submersible. It was a tube that did not have any reinforcement to stop pressure from crushing it. That's why a lot of these people were kind of blown away that it survived the number of trips down there. It did. Considering that there's nothing stopping it from getting crushed. It was this clever design by the. By Oceangate. Clever design by Oceangate. But ultimately the ship shouldn't have survived any of these trips. It is made with every time. Yeah. It's made with particularly thin metals. It has really a lack of support. It can only contain a certain amount of resources. So it's not like beneficial to use in any manner, shape or form. The controls are literally an Xbox controller programmed and connected to. To this submersible. There's no way out of the submersible, by the way. Has to be locked from the outside. Is not like a normal device that you can get in and out at will. You need to be let out. So it's just the biggest piece of s*** you could have ever made.

Cristina: It's just weird because they're all experts and they know what they're doing and they've done this all the time.

Jack: That's why they all had to sign waivers because they knew this was dangerous.

Cristina: Okay. They knew this was okay.

Jack: Yeah, they all know this was. That's why when they were showing in the year ago video, even those people were like, wow, this is shoddy. But those were explorers too.

Cristina: Yes. Like it was worth it in a way. It's kind of like going to the Mount Everest or something.

Jack: Here's what's weird about this. Here's what's really weird about this? What?

Cristina: What?

Jack: You don't see the Titanic. You don't. You look at a screen. There's no windows. The windows would pop under the pressure. You would flood and die.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So you needed a cocoon that's nothing but metal. It has a screen and the camera on the outside connected to the screen. The camera sees the Titanic. You then see the Titanic on the screen. My question is, why couldn't you send a vessel that would record it, come back up, and then watch it on the screen? You have to go down there to be with the screen.

Cristina: Yeah, because it felt like, for them, like someone who explores mountains like those are.

Jack: You're not exploring anything. As far as you know, you could have never left the ocean top. You never went down underwater. He could have shown you a play, a recorded. He could have shown you a recording of a previous expedition down there, and you could have sworn that that was that, that was it. Because you can't see outside to prove him wrong.

Cristina: Yeah, that is so.

Jack: What part of this is an exploration that's so weird? Weirdly enough, because these people did have enough to just throw $250,000 for something that should have been a couple of hours. It is entirely possible that the conspiracy theories that have risen around this hold a lot more weight. When you think of all the absurdity surrounding this shoddy ship. They're not really getting to look at the thing. It doesn't make sense that you'd pay this much unless. Unless they never went down there, and the death that happened never really happened, and nothing happened, and they're absolutely fine and disappeared and they went somewhere. They went out there. They went out there to wherever to fake their death.

Cristina: To what?

Jack: To figure death? People are saying they fake their death because when people break this apart, they don't know what the f*** the point is.

Cristina: But people have done this before.

Jack: People have done this before, but now we have a ship that has lost contact, and this ship, this submersible, has lost contact, and they're thinking these people are gonna die down there. So the idea is you're gonna pay $250,000 to go and stare at a screen. Mm, this doesn't check out. You could have really, really logically sent something down the recorder, brought it up and seen that. But the fact that they needed to go and then disappear says way more. Because it doesn't make sense as a thing to go down there and not see anything. That doesn't make sense. You paid $250,000 to do something you could have done up here?

Cristina: Yes, I would. The only thing that makes me not agree with that conspiracy, though, is that people have done this. They have wasted that money. They have done that dumb trip.

Jack: Yes, but why does people having done the dumb trip in the past mean that these people doing the dumb trip now are under the same conditions? Why couldn't they have been like, well, the ship clearly made it before, so we'll say it didn't, so that it feels right, and then we can just disappear. Okay, because it's gone down there before. Your argument doesn't work because it has worked. It didn't fall apart. It has successfully made it. And everybody on board, like you said, is an expert. So what is the difference if everybody on board is an expert on a ship that has done this before? To do what? None of you are exploring anything. Yeah, you got in a tube and you disappeared. That's all we know. It kind of holds a lot of weight to believe that a bunch of explorers wouldn't go in a tube and not explore. That doesn't make sense. That does not make sense. All of you are known for doing expeditions. This is not an expedition. You sat somewhere and a captain did a thing and you watch the tv. Yes, this. That's not. Didn't. That didn't happen. That couldn't have happened. That doesn't make any sense. It makes more sense that they are not there.

Cristina: Okay, but. Okay, they fake their death and then.

Jack: They go somewhere where nobody's going to bother them. This is a case. If they are actually filthy, doesn't matter if they are strangers or friends. They are just people who paid this guy to make them disappear.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They don't need to have ever met. If they're paying a guy $250,000 to make him disappear, he's gonna be like, you guys know each other?

Cristina: I don't know. I'm just wondering, like, how did they.

Jack: Like, you're gonna have to find them and talk to them. You're gonna have to find them.

Cristina: And there's no, like, there's no explanation of how that would have worked. If that was the thing.

Jack: If there was, then it was a s***** plan that we couldn't deduce and figure out that would defeat the whole purpose. If we could just deduce the plan. If we could just be like, well, this is how it would have happened. That means that we could sort of pinpoint the method and then track them.

Cristina: Are they somehow connected or this random five people and that's all it's probably random.

Jack: Five people. If he's gonna make people disappear, probably just gathered enough people to do like. I can take five people, so I'll take you when the other four people are ready to also disappear.

Cristina: But also, the amount of money they paid him to disappear, is that even.

Jack: Worth it to just get in a ship, take them somewhere?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess, like 200.

Jack: He made a million dollars to drive, but also himself.

Cristina: Like, that's it for him. He was making money before that, but he was like, for this million, I'm gonna do this. No.

Jack: Maybe he had more money than he was letting out to be. Maybe he also wanted to disappear.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is just a conspiracy. I don't know.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just.

Jack: I'm just theory. Theory. These people, like, they. I don't think they knew each other, except I know factually, the captain and the French explorer have worked together in the past. I don't know if the others know each other at all.

Cristina: The son and dad.

Jack: Well, the son and that know each other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But I don't. I don't know if these people are connected in any other way.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: And if they were disappearing, that would be the most irrelevant detail out of here. It wouldn't matter if they know each other because they're paying to pay 250. You better only sit me with people I know. I'm gonna disappear. Like, what? No, they have to be strangers if you're gonna disappear into nowhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What the f*** do you care if, like, boom. The more people I know, the better.

Cristina: I don't know. That would defeat the purpose even happen. I don't know. How does a plan like that happen with strangers? If that were.

Jack: How do you get in contact with a hitman? Still happens all the time. Now tell me how I can do it. I'm sure people do it all the time. However that happened. Yeah, however you can contact the hitman. You can contact the guy to make you disappear. Oh, I guarantee it. Chances are there's a Silk Road equivalent still functioning somewhere. And you could literally just go online. I need to disappear. Click. Who knows a million ways the Silk Road was filled with that. With hitman, with drugs. There has to be some replacement website. Especially as the Internet becomes hefty here. So there has to be. Now again, legendary explorers on board. Over 30 dives between the lot. Many of that went to the Titanic since 1980s, so they've been going down there for a while. So now let's pick these guys apart a little. Like Hamish Harding. He's a chairman of Action Aviation and Harding is a chairman of the company. And he sells aircrafts to Fortune 100 companies, international corporations, heads of state, people in the entertainment and sport industries. So he is big shot aviation guy. He sells to the richest of the richest. And he isn't actually a billionaire. That is a big point to make. That guy does not have enough money to register on the billionaire list. That is a fact. And he is well known as an adventurer. And he was the most experienced out of all the explorers, including the captain of the vessel. This is the most explored person, probably top five explorers on Earth. He holds the most number of records related to exploration in the Guinness Book of World Records.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: How would he want to disappear someone like that? Just like sex floor.

Jack: Well, that's a conspiracy. He probably is just dead. Like the ship disappeared and if they didn't go in order to vanish, he's probably dead now. One of the records that is probably the most impressive is he has the fastest circumnavigation of Earth from the geographic pole to pole by airplane. So he's gone from the South Pole to the North Pole in the shortest amount of time.

Cristina: What?

Jack: He holds that record now, why I thought about Blue Origin is because he was not just on board. Jeff Bezos, Blue Origin, why people think he's a billionaire, but he was the co pilot.

Cristina: Ah, okay.

Jack: And relative to the, the, the sub he was talking about. He says the only problem is that there is no other sub that is capable of going down there to rescue you. Not offhand like that. They're all military grade. You need military. So tragedy must strike. You don't just have, you can't just be down there perfectly fine and the vessel's perfectly functional. Oh, we just, you know, it just stopped working. Can somebody come and get us? Like. No, Nobody owns a vessel. To come and get you, you need to contact the military.

Jack: Like he knew about this ahead of time. He's like, there's nothing that could go get you. No other sub that is capable of going down there to rescue you. Having four days of supply doesn't make a difference, really. If something goes wrong, you are not coming back. Those are his words about that trip, about that very vessel. This is before he went on that trip, him talking about that vessel.

Cristina: Oh my.

Jack: He was like, yeah, but these are fearless men. They already know I can go to the top of Mount Everest and f****** die at any moment.

Cristina: Yes. That's the, that's the thing. Like they. People who do that. Yes. It's all about the risk.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's about the risks. There's a thrill in knowing this could go wrong.

Cristina: Yes. You're hoping it's even more real that like, yeah, he did this knowing he could die.

Jack: Yes, 100%. Paul Henry, the captain of the ship, Titanic's greatest explorer, is what he is considered consistently. Not only that, he is considered the expert of the Titanic.

Cristina: He is the single person, well, he.

Jack: Is the only person who owns the equipment that isn't military to go down there. Nobody else can get down there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So every expedition that's ever been there was him, all 30 of them.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He has been in every expedition to the Titanic.

Cristina: Every video we've ever seen of it was his.

Jack: Every single one was him. Without exception. We never knew the name Paul Henry.

Cristina: We know his words.

Jack: Yeah. We know his worth. I mean, I guess he wasn't the captain of the ship, but he was the, the greatest explorer there. Now he's led six expeditions to the ship's wreckage site and is known as Satanic's greatest expert. The director of underwater research for RMS Titanic and American, an American company that is owned the salvage rights to the wreck and operates exhibits featuring artifacts from the ship. He has all the. He has manned every expedition.

Cristina: He has done all the things he has to love. Big Titanic. He sounds like someone who goes to the.

Jack: He's an obsessive. Yeah, he loved it. That was his s***. That was his f****** jam. Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate, Pretty amazing guy himself. He is the youngest person ever to become a jet transport rated pilot by earning a DC8 type captain's rating at the United Airlines jet training institute at 19.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: He is the highest rated non astronaut in existence. He could fly f****** anything you could think of, okay? Anything. It doesn't matter what it is at 19. And he got that at 19. He is a navigation genius.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he also has a bachelor's degree in aerospace engineering from Princeton University.

Cristina: Okay, so he's not some random dude.

Jack: No, these people aren't random. These are none of these professional explorers. Now the vessel, which is where this gets very interesting. It's called Expeditions Titan. That's what we lost. Expeditions Titan, that's what we don't know where it is. And it's again very important to point out this is not a submarine.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It cannot return to the surface. It is exclusively a submersible. It can go down and it can come up a certain amount and it needs to be picked up the rest of the way because it does not have the power to get itself back to shore. It does not have that. Submarines, on the other hand, do they have enough power to plunge as deep as their technology will allow? And the. It's a submarine. If it can return itself to the surface, it also needs to be able to open itself up in order for people to be able to exit and enter perfectly fine. This is one of the only vessels in all of history that you cannot open from the inside. They have to get to the surface and be let out.

Cristina: Well, it would be dangerous if it could be open.

Jack: Well, no, if you could open it from the inside, you would never be able to because the pressure from the outside pushing in would prevent you from pushing anything out.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: You can't open a submarine underwater.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Then that, then that's not that important, is it though?

Jack: If they came to the surface.

Cristina: If they came to the surface, yeah, I guess that's a bad thing.

Jack: But they're floating up there and they only have 90 hours of oxygen. You kind of want to open a door.

Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: The rescue will be here. We're just gonna float out here for a while, but we can breathe.

Cristina: So there's no. There was no backup plan?

Jack: There was no backup plan. They really thought nothing was gonna go wrong. Again, this is why these conspiracies make perfect sense. That s*** makes no sense. You're going in a shoddy a** thing that all of you know is absolutely a death trap. You've all made statements relative to wow, this is particularly shoddy and dangerous, and if it f**** up, we're f*****. F*****. And you had no backup.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No way, bro. No way. You're kidding me.

Cristina: That's so scary.

Jack: It's so sketchy, dude. There's something wrong with the narrative here. But also we know that these media sites lie compulsively. They might have just left out information and society obstructed. And it's hard to find out what's missing to this story to make it make sense.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Problematic now again, submersibles don't have the power to come up. I don't know what the f*** the plan was. I have no idea. This thing can't be opened from the outside and they had all just over 90 hours of oxygen for five people. It doesn't make any sense. So Wednesday morning, June 21, 2023, as we are searching for the vessel in a really large area, because we don't know on its way down how far to either side. To any side. To any direction. There's a huge radius that currents could have pushed it as it's going down with no power, assuming that it lost power. So there's a huge search area anywhere you got it. You got to calculate as it's sinking, how far it could go in any direction, and that's your minimum range. However far it could have gone, that's the farthest edge you begin to search at, and you work your way in. Okay, so we start hearing inside that radius. Knocking sounds. Something's there.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Wednesday? Yes. Okay, so we hear something like. Oh, s***. We're hearing a sound. Maybe they're letting us know where they are. Suddenly the plot twists, and we know. We know they're there. They have to be. There's nothing else. It's the weirdest sound coming from where we're looking.

Cristina: So where they should be in the.

Jack: Area that they should be. And we've never heard sounds like this. Send everything we have in that direction. It's Wednesday. They are gonna run out of air by Thursday. We have, like, 11 hours right now.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And that's assuming they haven't panicked. They're way out of air. You're hyperventilating down there. You're running out of air. Tragically, the best case scenario is that one of them went mad and killed all the others, and he will have air for way longer.

Cristina: Oh, my.

Jack: You gotta. You gotta do the math.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And it's like, by the time it's Wednesday, you're aware of the issue. And it's like, if anybody's been panicking, we're. We can't calculate the amount of air left. We don't know. So we gotta. We gotta. Somebody. Somebody's gotta go to stretch this out a little longer. And they're close quarters. It must have been a nightmare in there. It was h***. It must have been h*** in there. But again, hope from above. This is us speculating what's happening inside Hope from above. We hear them. We hear them. We don't know exactly where, but we know it's inside. They're there. Good. Good. Holy s***. Good. Okay. On Thursday morning, June 22, 2023, a cloud of debris is found near the Titanic.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: As a closing, they have stopped hearing the sounds. And a couple of hours after the debris was found was the time that if they hadn't wasted extra air, they would have run out of oxygen. That happened in the morning of Thursday. And on Thursday afternoon, it was officialized that the debris was the debris from the vessel. Oh, the vessel was destroyed underwater.

Cristina: Okay. That makes Sense.

Jack: Yes. The sounds we were hearing are a horrifying narrative. Let's dive into that. So when the ship is down there, oxygen is an immediate problem. After you've lost contact. Yeah, you know, you have over, just, just over 90 hours, they need to get to you or you need to decrease the amount of oxygen consumption at the mark. As you're getting to the 90 hour mark, the vessel will start filling with carbon monoxide. Everybody's going to get sleepy, everybody is going to go to sleep and you're going to die peacefully and quietly. Best case scenario. Best case scenario. We started hearing the banging on Wednesday. They still had oxygen.

Cristina: So you think there was some murdering going on?

Jack: I don't think there was some murdering going on because let me just elaborate that they are two miles underwater and you're hearing banging. Is a human's fleshiness hitting a metal object under two miles of water gonna be registered by anything. You can hear somebody hitting that, you can hit that s*** hard enough to get registered on anything. You could be outside the submarine and not hear the impact of somebody hitting as hard as they can.

Cristina: It's explosion like the sub exploded then.

Jack: Imploded would be the argument here. Oh, so the horrible part here is that we heard these sounds from Wednesday morning all the way to Thursday when we stopped hearing them. So what were we hearing? The vessel slowly being crushed. That's the worst case scenario. Now all the news outlets are saying it imploded and that it happened instantaneously.

Cristina: That's what they want.

Jack: But that's because you don't want to tell everybody that for an entire 20 hour period you were hearing them being crushed. So they were talking about the noises. We don't know what the noises are. There's many videos talking about reports and people, we don't know what the noises are. People looking, we don't know what the noises are. But we're gonna keep looking. There we see the debris and we confirm that is of the vessel. They're dead. Oh no. It imploded and they died instantly. But you were hearing the noises from Wednesday morning all the way to Thursday morning. Any reasonable, logical, thinking human can tell you that was not an instant event. On Wednesday, after the ship had been down there for two, three days already, the vessel began to crush under the sustained weight of the ocean on top of it. So it was fine. And they were fine until Wednesday. Wednesday something gave and the ship began to crush. That's not the horrifying part because they would have been crushed by the vessel had it moved.

Cristina: Quicker.

Jack: But it began to crash slowly. Which means as soon as the first little crack happened, water started leaking in.

Cristina: So they were dead before it crushed them.

Jack: Yes. They drowned to death, probably very slowly.

Cristina: If water was in, it wouldn't have happened quickly.

Jack: No, because the crushing happened for 20 hours. We're assuming it began gradually crushing and pluck. Something broke. Now water's coming in.

Cristina: Okay. But they drowned and then crushed.

Jack: They drowned. Then their bodies were rushed and the. It was crushed into literal dessert dust.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. It just gets worse.

Jack: I mean, you have two miles, millions of pounds on top of that. Yeah, tons and tons and tons and tons on top of it. Thousands over this vessel.

Cristina: Insane. Oh, my God.

Jack: They were gradually crushed, but they probably didn't suffer the crush. Yeah, they saw the horror of the crush. But as soon as the crack was big enough to. For water to start coming in the scene in there must have been a level of panic. That's none. Because everybody was alive. Assuming nobody killed anybody. Everybody was alive. They all drowned. And it was not fast because the fact that this was crushing for so long means the crush was gradual. Eventually, a crack broke some infrastructure. Water started coming in and kept coming. As it crushed, it got faster and faster. But 20 hours, it started pretty slow. Because if it just happened instantly, boom. It's just nothing. You stop hearing it and say, blah, it's just gone. No, it was strong enough to slowly crumble. And that's what we were hearing. We're hearing the metal bending continuously for 20 hours straight.

Cristina: What did they think it was when?

Jack: They had no idea. They had no idea.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: All the videos with these people on top of the ship that they're on their press conference talking about the people lost or whatever. And I think this was like a Navy captain or something. They were looking. We're doing our best. And we have sounds. We don't know what sounds are. We're looking in that region. It's in the area. When they followed the sounds, they got to the debris. When they got to the debris, they looked elsewhere, found nothing. They took samples of the debris, then they confirmed this was the vessel. There's no traces of anything else. Everything got crushed into oblivion. Yeah, it's essentially making a black hole underwater. Got crushed into nothing, but got crushed so much that the metal broke into a million pieces. Their bodies must have broken into a million pieces and be floating at the bottom of the ocean. That is the reality of the matter, that the is not going to tell anybody. They died over the course of about two hours. When Water flooded that and they all drowned.

Cristina: Oh my gosh. They're not gonna. Ah, that's a horror movie though. If they decide in the future, in two years from now when they're like, whoa, this is a story.

Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's gonna be a f***** up movie at some point.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, that's so awful.

Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep. The media makes it seem like it's really fast. I know that's for the masses to be able to digest it a little better with a horrifying situation. But it wasn't. It wasn. And fast. It was a really, really slow death. The logic is you heard the sound for 20 hours. That means metal was continuously bending for 20 hours, which means it began as small cracks and water started leaking in. And then the desperation kicked in there as there's less space, there's less oxygen. As they're panicking, they're suffocating. And then the water finally catches up. Now you're drowning, suffocating. Everybody's struggling in the vessel. It was h***. Yeah, it had to be. It had to be the most horrifying scene ever.

Cristina: So it had to be either h*** or they faked their own death.

Jack: H*** or they faked their own death. Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There was debris down there. No bodies were retrieved, no bodies were found.

Cristina: Like if they did fake their own death, how did they do it?

Jack: They sent something else down there and they went elsewhere. Pretty simple.

Cristina: Because you said it was the debris of the sub thing.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like you think they had a fake one or they.

Jack: And they went elsewhere. Okay, yeah, 100. They just sent that thing down there. It got crushed. That's why it lost communication. Everything. Big a** deal. And they're somewhere in Cuba, invisible, hanging out with Tupac and Jackson.

Cristina: All right, all right.

Jack: So that is the reality of what happened here. A bunch of the world's greatest explorers went on a vessel and disappeared. It seems like based on what media is offering, they went down there, lost communication, were there for a couple of days. On the day before they would run out of oxygen, sound started. That was the vessel starting to cross under the weight of the ocean. That means water eventually leaked because it wasn't an instant sound and then dissipated. It was throughout 20 hour period. Water bled in, shortened the amount of room in there. They had less air. Panic. Water eventually catches up. They either died from carbon monoxide, hyperventilation or drowning, and then they were crushed. On the off chance you didn't f****** drown, you wish you did. Especially over a 20 hour period. You f****** wish you did once that gets small enough to be contacting you from both sides and you're still alive.

Cristina: It's impossible.

Jack: It's impossible. We gotta hope that they drowned because if you made it to our 10. Oh, f***, bro.

Cristina: If they're lucky, they died before the water leaked. I don't know.

Jack: No, they had air.

Cristina: Oh, crap.

Jack: They had. Drowning is the only. Is the. It's the bright side. Drowning would be the bright side here. That's how f***** up the situation is. Drowning would be the bright side. Just. That's the hope we can have. Because if you somehow didn't drown, the h*** you experience is like no other. There is nothing like the h*** you experience of getting gradually crushed more and more and more.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Getting flattened in real time while you're conscious about it.

Cristina: That's awful. Wow.

Jack: That's nuts, right?

Cristina: Yes. That's a crazy story. That should be on the news.

Jack: That is a pretty messed up story.

Cristina: Oh my gosh.

Jack: And that, that four passengers, which passengers is a loose term here, considering that everybody there was some expert explorers, some manner, shape or form, the two least qualified to be there with a father son duo. And we're still talking about people who have masters in geographic mapping and the son of that guy, like whatever, dude. They're all high ranked people. These are not normal people. On board this ship. We lost, overpowered, important people. These aren't just rich a*******.

Jack: It's not that rich guy who just owns a tech company and profits off of your data. It wasn't that guy. No, no, no, no, no. They like the people online think it's that because the media outlets don't focus on anything except a bunch of rich people drowned or whatever. Yeah, but focus on the people. Those were some f****** heroes down there. These were amazing, accomplished individuals doing really impressive work. And we lost all of them. Earth got shittier when that happened. We lost, overpowered, Guinness World Record holders of important innovative things showing us the capacity and the limit of human ability.

Cristina: Well, they showed us the limit, I guess they.

Jack: The limit, bro. They existed on the edge until it took them.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Meanwhile, we don't. And I get that they are very important people. They. They've changed the world with their research, with their effort, with their movement, with the things they've done, they've informed, They've helped us move forward and given people hope that allows us to see what is possible. I can at 19, be the most important pilot in all of it. Like those kinds of things are what these people do. Yes. Great. Fantastic. Really awesome. People were lost. And that's a f****** tragedy. But why is that in any way more important than 750 people? 100 of with were children. That blows my mind. And it's entirely because they were all white except for two. And those are the two least spoken of. And then we have this ship that was all brown people. Were like, we don't give a f***. Until we found out that there was human trafficking done by brown people. And now the story matters.

Cristina: It's only about what can make the story matter.

Jack: Yeah, you need. And it's not just about what makes the story matter, because the story already mattered. We just didn't care about it. Yeah, it has to fit our narrative. That's what it's important. That's the fit our narrative. And our narrative is brown Middle Eastern people are bad people.

Cristina: Ah.

Jack: So innocent people disappearing on a ship. We can't talk about that now. Seven human traffickers who happen to be from the same place. Now we got a weigh in and that's exactly what the f*** happened. Nobody was talking about this until we found out about the seven Pakistanis. That. And we found out about it because they were arrested in connection with the ship going missing.

Cristina: Okay, wow.

Jack: So it's not that the ship drowned or anything. They took it somewhere.

Cristina: There's. Then there's probably an answer to that question. Just they don't care about it. Because the interesting thing is these seven dudes.

Jack: Yep, the seven dudes. We gotta paint that picture. 750 people have been sold into slavery of some sort. But we only care about the people who did it because we can say they're bad guys. We don't want to say a bunch of innocent brown people. That's a bad sentence for an American audience. We need bad brown people. Bad brown people. Oh, horrible. Brown people.

Cristina: Horrible.

Jack: Now we're all invested. Now we gotta run this story. So the only articles I found in American news came from the arrest and the focus on that point. And that's actually how I found out about the ship going missing in the first place. I didn't actually know when I was reading that that it had anything to do. It is just a story about seven Pakistani human traffickers that CNN was publishing. You follow the story and BBC eventually tells you that there were 700 people aboard the thing and that's what went missing. You're like, hold up, hold up. You could 100% inform me on the seven guys, but you didn't think it was necessary to tell me what it is you were arresting them for. Human traff. A ship went missing. 750 people. You should have started there.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: May sound like three people went missing, bro. Get the out of here. 750 people, 100 children.

Cristina: So shocking.

Jack: Speak up, Fox, speak up, CNN.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: But. Yep.

Cristina: And this is a terrible, terrible thing. And you can't really get your news from the news. Okay.

Jack: You can't get your news from the news. Well, as Denzel Washington said, you're not informed if you don't read the newspaper. You're misinformed if you do. Ooh.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Not informed if you don't read it. You're misinformed if you do read it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: How do you solve the issue?

Cristina: Wow, that's tricky. I guess reading all of it like you did.

Jack: Got to read all of it. And you got to hunt. You got to do your research, because just one source will lie to you. You got to find what's true. What? Not even what's true, because you can't tell. You got to find what's consistent in all of them. What did they all say that the other wasn't? Because the best example of this is, I love. If I hear a story on cnn, I love going to Fox to hear the same story because their narrative is always f****** different. These are two agenda ridden news outlets. They lie so g****** much. And it's not even really lying. It's more of information twisting. So whatever didn't get twisted, you know is right on both sides. Whatever did get twisted, you know is on both sides.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I love the. The COVID stats where they're like, people who have been vaccinated are dying at an extremely high rate. According to Fox, while CNN tells you people who haven't gotten vaccinated are dying. They both show you the same graph and it defends both of their arguments, except one is showing you the graph from earlier in the year, and one is showing you the graph from the moment. Both graphs are true. Both graphs are real statements. They're just omitting when the graph took place. Beautiful. The information was true. They're just lying about when.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Beautiful. Both audiences brainwashed and they argued about it. You could find all those arguments about all those things. No, your side's lying. Oh, your side's lying.

Cristina: No, both your sides are like, yeah.

Jack: The information was somewhere in the middle. You're both idiots believing everything you're told. Because news media.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So for every one passenger aboard that ship, there was $5,000. These people made bank $5,000 for each individual on that ship.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: 750 people on that ship.

Cristina: How much?

Jack: Seven individuals took that exact. That. All that profit. They frequently made trips to Europe. This was a human. Yes. These. Human trafficking ring that smuggled people into slave trades in Europe. Yeah. And Greek authorities are being accused of not acting quick enough because they were pretty relaxed about it. And like, we're gonna show up. It was just miscommunication, you know. Nope. They don't do. For two days, nothing. Didn't bother sending anybody out. They're like, it'll show up. Didn't show up. They're gone. You lost 750 people, 100 of whiffer children. They all got sold to somebody. And you guys are pieces of. For letting this happen.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So now they're like, oh, we up? No, you up. Yeah, you up. This is like, we should start war with you kind of up. You up. You don't deserve your government. You up. Up. You should lose your government. Put somebody else in charge. You up. But why weren't they so lenient? Because the pe. I mean, why were they so lenient with it? Because Greece is one of the countries in Europe that accepts the most migrants on average. That's why these people were going there in the first place. People go to Greece because Greece is very accepting of immigrants. The people of Greece don't agree with that. And the people of Greece had recently begun a pretty hefty protest about border control. This made the government panic a little. And this situation occurs. And instead of doing governmently s***, they decided, let's be hostage to the protesters. So the. Not just the government, the country of Greece is to blame for 750 people, 100 of which were children going missing. The country of Greece, the Greek are bastards. Right now, the Greek, everybody who was protesting and scared the government, everybody in the government that got scared by the people, all walk into the ocean and die. All of you just walk in. If not, go stand somewhere and let us execute you one by one. Because you are pieces of s***. You are the definition of pieces of s***. Your fear for. For you, for. Oh, I don't want to have a bad image. Let 750 people go missing. I don't want to have a bad image. Go to h***, bro. You deserve to die. All of you deserve to die. You're all bastards.

Cristina: I understand. So they just let it happen. They just pretty much let it happen.

Jack: Yeah. The now they are saying that the ship drowned along the deepest part of the Mediterranean. There's no point in going to search for anything there. It's a ship. It's not meant to be underwater. We're not gonna go look because it has sunken. Bullshit. This trip. That happens all the f****** time. And you know these traffickers get away with it all the f****** time. This is the time. They didn't get away with it because you arrested them. Suck it, bro. They weren't the only people involved. Get the f*** out of here. But the problem is, I'm sure that because it was going to Europe. Think about this. Real. It was going to Europe. You arrested seven Pakistanis. Is Pakistan in Europe? It's in the Middle East. So then if the brown people got arrested where they were coming from, who were the people where it was going?

Cristina: The white people.

Jack: It was going to the white people. So the ship went missing. It never made it anywhere. We can't go arrest more people. It's gone. Let's not arrest white people. It's gone. It's missing. There's no point.

Cristina: I see. I see.

Jack: The trip always succeeds. We caught brown people. Oh, no. It's over.

Cristina: Yeah. Because you don't want to stop the real people who are in charge of that.

Jack: Yeah. You don't want to aim the narrative towards white people. We already blamed the brown people. And the ship disappeared. Narrative wrapped.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: God, this planet is corrupted as f***, bro.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's horrible. That's so horrible. It's all horrible. Everything you've said was horrible.

Jack: Everything is horrible. This planet sucks. This planet f****** sucks. The way those people went. If they went. Sucks. Our focus on them instead of the children that matter sucks. The fact that when the children disappeared, we only talked about it when we could blame brown people for it. Sucks. The fact that we caught the brown people and now we're not even gonna bother hunting the ship down because the brown people have been arrested. Sucks. The fact that that was going towards white people that probably now own 750 more people, 100 of which are children. And we're not gonna do anything about that. Sucks. I guarantee you that was going to some f****** billionaires. Guarantee you. They needed some workers. Slave work is real. There's a lot of it. Oh, we need cobalt everywhere. We need slave workers for whatever the f***.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So we can't look into it. We can't advance the world farther if we don't have slaves here. They just disappeared. It drowned. It drowned in the same place it always successfully makes it through. Because we caught brown people. It drowned.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now we can't follow the ship. If it. If it made it. If we say it made it to this destination. But we caught a human trafficking ring. Well, we have to follow through with the story. Oh, it made it to its destination. Well, who did it go to? If you caught the seven guys who sent it, who is receiving it? You don't want to answer that question. That's a narrative problem.

Cristina: Yes, they know. They know the answer.

Jack: They know the answer. You can't say it. It's a narrative issue. So you gotta let it be what it is.

Cristina: Everything's awful.

Jack: Everything's awful. Humans suck.

Cristina: Why is that the sum of this episode? That's horrible.

Jack: I don't know. This episode was extremely horrifying. It's everything that's happened in the last.

Cristina: Couple of weeks pretty horrifying.

Jack: Yep. So that's pretty much it. Look, I have nothing to tell you guys to go look at relative to this. This is a once in a lifetime weird series of events. Chances are we'll never in our lifetimes have another story like the submarine. And any other time that human trafficking happens, it's usually white people. We're never going to hear about it. It.

Cristina: We're never gonna.

Jack: Yeah, never gonna hear about it until another group of brown people slips up and then we could blame them. Until that we're not gonna talk about. It happens all the f****** time. But we don't hear about it because it's white people. Random story, just before I close up. Unrelated to any of this, but yes, related to children. Five children were found in an apartment locked in a room with a f*** ton of sex toys. They were only found because one of the four guys there who was holding them in that room had died. And the police got there and they found the children and they took the children into custody. The children didn't belong to any of these men. And all of these men were drag queens. Every single one of them. This is a real story. Real story. Fact. Just a little cherry on top for the rest of you, since we were already talking about children in horrible conditions. Here is for the leftists that like to defend the. The drag queens. They're good people. They're whatever. Okay. Yeah. Four drag queens had five children locked in a room with sex toys. That's the people you're defending. Okay. Anyways, I don't know what to tell you guys to look up. There's nothing related to any of this on any of our episodes. Go listen to our other episodes. There's a bunch of stuff, but this.

Cristina: Is the more happier stuff.

Jack: Yeah, this is one of the darkest episodes we've had.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, hands down, this is not speculation. This isn't just reasoning a bunch of s***. This is all factually what happened.

Cristina: Code hard facts, Cold hard facts.

Jack: No speculation took place here. This is minus the conspiracy theories. Yes, everything else is.

Cristina: We have a ton of conspiracy theories, if that's your thing. Oh, s***.

Jack: Yes, there is a connecting point. Good point. Yes, there are conspiracy theories. That's usually involving the government because that's 95% of everything. Anyways, if you guys have anything to say about this, any of this, anything we've talked about here, you can go hit us up on social media. You can find us on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter or Facebook. All of that is @justconvopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and reveal the show.

Jack: Yes, and be sure to tell people about the show. Word of mouth is extremely important and if you want people to know all the details about the events that took place these days, specifically leading up to Thursday, June 22nd of 2023. If you need people who want to know what happened relative to the vessel, the expeditions Titan and the five passengers, which were all highly accomplished earth explorers, you guys can, you know, tell your homies about it.

Cristina: Tell your them.

Jack: All the details are here.

Cristina: This has been another rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Dots.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 17, 2023

Rambling 230: UAPs

June 17, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why did the government alter their defined meaning for UAP? What does it mean that the government has publicly stated their awareness of thousands of UAP encounters? What is really going on with the new found transparency of this information? The duo tackle the growing discussion around space observation and UAPs (formerly UFO).

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

UAPs
Whistle Blowers
FBI Announcement
Extraterrestrial Technology
Space Force
Terrestrial Unknowns
Atlanteans

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And lately the most baffling of ideas has been happening.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: And it's being grounded, but it's not grounded because it's in the sky. Except not necessarily.

Cristina: It's not in the sky.

Jack: So UFOs are popular thing again, why?

Cristina: It's on and off.

Jack: It's on and off. I mean, sometimes it doesn't matter. NASA was like, there's Alien 2020, but we were all just worried about the pandemic. So we're like, yeah, whatever, dude, we're dying, or whatever. We're told this happening, but we weren't dying and we're all still here. Well, I guess at least 6 million people aren't, but a bunch of the majority, like, yeah, way more than 99% of everyone is still here. And yeah, we didn't respond to that. But it seems like UFOs are on the rise. Again, not sightings, but rather information disclos.

Cristina: Closed claims of meeting aliens and crap.

Jack: Yeah, well, I don't know if claims of necessarily meeting aliens and crap, but there are definitely more. There's more solid information coming out confirming that perhaps the United States government has been involved with aliens or something for.

Cristina: They're definitely saying that they seen these aliens.

Jack: Yes, yes, they've seen. I don't know if there's necessarily in peace with it. So hold on, let's go from the beginning all the way back when NASA first was like, we're gonna take these videos because we're sure this is just technology that we're familiar with. And they confiscated three videos. Not confiscated, but they were like, don't worry about the videos. We're gonna give you a definite. This is what. NASA takes it. And they go through the videos and the videos, they get nowhere with it. They have them for years, like 10 years or something. And then they put the videos out together with a statement saying that they want help from the public because they can't figure it out. It's legitimately not technology they're familiar with. They can't pinpoint how, what, who, anything, so they put it public again. This happens around 2020. And they just actually happens in the middle of the pandemic and they're just like, okay, you know, help. We can't figure it Out. It's on the public. Please assist. We're going to work as a community. We're going to get this. Nothing gets acknowledged, nobody cares. Nothing happens. Because we're all concerned with George, Floyd and Covid happening all at the same time. Aliens just too much. It's too much. At the same time, we're like, we don't have the RAM for this. So something gives and we ignore the potentiality for aliens. When NASA is like, no, we don't have this. A couple of months later, the Pentagon follows up with a statement saying, yes, we confirm what NASA says. These are official. We don't know what the h*** they are. It's not a new statement or thing. They're just kind of reinforcing. Yes, we do need assistance. Any information necessary or whatever. I think they could help. So then recently, a couple of months ago, we get a man, former soldier or a soldier former. He's a veteran, Air Force veteran, who goes on national television and states, yes, we see UFOs all the time. Thousands. There's thousands of UFO sightings. We see them all the time. We have giant records of it. We used to not even report it. And when we reported now we just, you know, it's by law. We just record everything we see, but nothing happens with it because it's crazy to even talk about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they, they do this on TV again. People are like, okay, this is kind of weird. That's interesting. You mainly see this showing up on Tick Tock. Most other places aren't gonna pick this up. So guy shows up, stalking him. Whatever station picked him up, talks about the thing. And then a couple of weeks later, FBI guy shows up and FBI guy goes on national television and says, yes, we encounter UFOs all the time. We are, we got giant records about it that we do get from the Air Force. And we're looking for into all of these documents. We're trying to confirm which are legitimate, which are not. Okay. Then we got a lot of agencies involved saying, yeah, okay, that's true. Casual, casual. They're pretending they're not mentioning the fact that they've known for a really long time. Like, it's outrageous. They're like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we always knew.

Cristina: But the story doesn't make sense to what the, the newer stories unless you want to get continue on this storyline. Because I just don't understand the end to what's. What everyone's saying.

Jack: What's everyone saying?

Cristina: I'm like, yeah, there's UFOs but we don't know Anything. And the real story, at least some people are saying, is like, we 100% know everything about these things.

Jack: Okay, so who's saying what?

Cristina: The government is saying we are clueless. We know their existence, but that doesn't mean we know anything really. We know as much as you know, we need your help. But people are coming out also that are saying, no. The government knows. They know because they work with them, because they've not worked with them. But they found these aliens, they found this technology. They already. They're experimenting with it all the time. There's no question. It's. It's very. It's two different stories happening right now.

Jack: That's always the case. It happened with COVID too. Just two different stories happening.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah. So, like, how do you can. Can you tell which is which?

Jack: Is it flat or is it round? I don't know. Everybody's always got some. There's always a counter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To any situation.

Cristina: Well, what do you think is going on? What makes the most sense?

Jack: What makes the most sense? I don't know. We. We don't have the information to say what makes the most sense. If everybody has a bunch of logical information being discussed, it's more about, here's all the information. We all got to make up our minds. That's kind of where it's at.

Cristina: How do we decide? That's crazy.

Jack: Well, following the train of thought that I was at, we have NASA saying they don't know what any of these are. They have no idea. They do need help. Then the government. The Pentagon comes in afterwards, says, yes, that's the case. Then we actually. Then we have FBI, we have the Air Force guy. He goes on national television and the Air Force guy says, yes, we see thousands of UFOs all the time. Then we get the FBI guy who comes on and says they've been looking into it and that they have divisions of the government intentionally cut out for this. And not only that, they're going to be making new divisions, including Space Force that became a literal thing. So we have all this sudden movement relative. And then we get the most recent, which is three individuals who work for the United States government in top secret projects, all of which had to do with UAPs and actual aliens. They claim that the United States government has had a ship from the Cold War acquired that they have been working on since then, trying to reverse engineer its technology.

Cristina: I guess that's believable. Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. So the idea here is we don't know. We fail to comprehend, and we don't Necessarily know if everything we see in the sky, according to this logic, at the moment, we don't know if everything we see in the sky is the same thing. Is it a bunch of crap because there's a bunch of different vessels seen or is it the same crap in different vessels?

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So there's no idea what's happening. Is it robots by the same people?

Cristina: Is it what the big question mark to me, what bothers me most though is they say they also have found aliens. What is the description on these aliens? Is it the what we know? Is it the same old, same old? Are they gonna say same thing that that guy on Joe Rogan said, like, yeah, we met that guy alien Bob. I don't know what the alien name. Like what is the story there behind.

Jack: What they look like? Yeah, that's a story to you, what they look like. Not the interactions, just how here physically.

Cristina: Both, I guess, because. What is it? What is it? What is that?

Jack: Chupacabra. Yeah. If it turned out to be a chupacabra in theory, how does now, knowing the shape of it, now you know what it looks like and they show you a picture. Look, it's a Chupacabra. And it's just. It looks like a. Like a dog, goat running.

Cristina: Then I feel like I wouldn't believe, I think.

Jack: But they show you a clean video, they can prove it to you. They can prove to you that that's the actual alien. It just look like a goat, dog.

Cristina: There's no way they have pictures.

Jack: They do. And they prove it to you and you believe it and you're like, wow, this is amazing. I don't know how you managed to get such concrete evidence to prove it to me in one shot what it looks like. But you're really good researcher for having this concrete. In fact, the only factual information I've ever seen is you proving to me that this Chupacabra is really what they're talking about and it's real. Now, all that aside, they've now proven it to you and you know what this looks like. Step two is.

Cristina: I'm so really curious about step one.

Jack: What it looks like. Yeah, it just looks like a dog. It looks like a dog, goat. Now you know what it looks like. So what are we using this information for?

Cristina: To know if it's real. I don't know, like if it was, if they really described it as a chupacaba, would you still believe their story?

Jack: They could describe it as anything because anything they describe it at is just as likely as anything Else they describe it as.

Cristina: But that's the part that makes it hard to believe, I guess, is the fact that they say there's aliens.

Jack: Oh, they're Greys now. It's more believable than if they say, like.

Cristina: Just saying that we do have aliens.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I mean. So it doesn't matter what they look like. They're aliens.

Cristina: That still makes the story hard to believe, though.

Jack: Nobody said they look like anything.

Cristina: It doesn't matter, I guess. But just the fact that they're saying that it's aliens and that they've seen aliens is weird.

Jack: Well, I haven't said they've seen aliens yet.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: I've not mentioned anybody seeing aliens yet.

Cristina: But I know that I've heard stories where they say that they. I've seen aliens. The people. I don't know, the people saying that they've seen the ships and stuff.

Jack: Like people who work on cornfields?

Cristina: No, the people that recently came out saying that they work for the government or whatever.

Jack: Oh, the whistleblowers, sure.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So they come out and they say that they've seen aliens?

Cristina: Yes. They're not just saying that they've seen ships. They said that they are seeing aliens too, I think. I'm pretty sure they said that too.

Jack: Why are you sure they said that?

Cristina: He said that they said that. Unless that person was lying, I don't know. The way he was explaining it. He did play clips. I'm pretty sure he put clips in that video.

Jack: I have no idea what you're talking about.

Cristina: There was a video of a guy explaining what he saw and then he gathered his family to see this. Great.

Jack: Saw this. When? In. In your personal life. In one moment. Do you have the video with you?

Cristina: No. You'll probably find it.

Jack: Okay, so nobody saw an alien.

Cristina: No one saw an alien.

Jack: No one of the whistleblower saw an alien. Not in person.

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: They are only repeating what they have heard discussed. None of the whistleblowers. This is what. The power of research is important.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's very necessary to know what you're gonna talk about before you talk about it. Because these whistleblowers, not one of them at any point saw an alien. They assumed there was aliens and they followed that assumption by concluding how they land there, which is when there's crash sites. Sometimes you get dead bodies in there too. They never saw an alien. The conclusion is, if we retrieve the crashed ship, whatever was in there didn't die. They never saw an alien. They're like, there obviously has to be an alien because we got the ship.

Cristina: Then they could be wrong.

Jack: They could totally be wrong. And that could just be foreign. But advanced technologies.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's important to look into these things beforehand. None of the three whistleblowers, at any moment. They were very careful about what they said. At no moment did they say they saw. They worded everything like. No, of course there was. Because. Yeah, logic.

Cristina: These were. Some words suck. They're not saying anything different from anyone else. Then.

Jack: Yes. I don't think.

Cristina: Except that we have the UFOs, something.

Jack: Like that, which a bunch of random conspiracy theorists already say.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And if these people are already of the mind, that maybe they're more open to it and just happen to work for the government and they hear a rumor while they're just walking down the hallway of, oh yeah, that door none of us gets to go through. Obviously aliens on the other side. Yeah.

Cristina: Is that, oh, yeah, these whistleblowers actually seen these crafts or no. Are they just talking about rumors?

Jack: So none of the whistleblowers have personally worked on or. Yeah, they've seen crafts. They've not necessarily worked on crafts. So there's no way to tell whether these are alien crafts.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What? Why is everyone making such a big deal about it? If it's still question mark, it still doesn't mean anything. Okay. It's very disappointing.

Jack: Yeah. None of them have. None of them have proof of any sort they can put forward.

Cristina: Except that they all have the same story, which isn't really much of a story. Well, they all seen the same craft. Like, if they described what they saw, would it be at least the same description?

Jack: I have no idea. That was not discussed in the videos we have access to. And I have not spoken to any.

Cristina: Of them because that would sort of help if they're unrelated. But they all. I mean, they have to be related in some way to have seen it.

Jack: And worked for the same agency.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay. So we have up to now the NASA videos that Pentagon then confirms the Air Force, a veteran that goes on TV and claims that UFOs are extremely common. FBI officer coming on national TV following that and stating the Secret Service is working with NASA, the Pentagon, Space Force and the FBI to study space UFOs and strange phenomenon of all these kinds of natures, including foreign technologies, all as part of our national defense thing that we're always doing or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that leads us into the whistleblowers, three of them. That then all former government employees. Part of their respective things leave, and they then reveal the secrets. That we've had this for this long, and this is what's been going. Going on. Except none of them have proof for any of it, so that's immediately an issue. We have to take them on their word. And they haven't claimed personally seeing anything, and they have no proof of anything they've claimed. We have three of them, though.

Cristina: Do they all have the same story?

Jack: Yeah, for the most part. They, for the most part, do have the same story, which is interesting to say the least. So again, they're there for however long, and they are just unaware. They hear these stories. They hear these stories that are happening, that take place. They connect dots, they read documents, when they get them, go into detail, and they see strange things coming through. They've seen interesting, weird and foreign technologies that seem to be spacecraft like. But also, why wouldn't we be trying to replicate spacecraft technology if we had the idea just to kind of see if it works? We're always trying to better ourselves in from a military standpoint, so it makes sense that we would always try different things. And maybe they're seeing some of these things without them being disclosed to them.

Cristina: Okay, so they're just assuming alien. We could just be us.

Jack: Yes, that's. As of now. The assumptions they're making are that they're assuming that it's aliens, and they're speaking of it like it's aliens. But they've seen ships and they're concluding the logic that perhaps crashed ship, that creature, they have taken the thing. They don't know for a fact they have seen ships, though again, these could be foreign technologies that are not extraterrestrial.

Cristina: Have they described how unique these ships are?

Jack: Not that I know of. But we know they've seen things that they cannot compare to other things they can't even describe. If they did, what would it matter? If they said it looks just like an American jet, standard military grade, except it has no pilot and has sentience. But it looks exactly like our ships. What does it matter what it looks like? Because it looks like our ships, our own rockets, our jets. But now it's a sentient piece of technology. Its look is unaffective. They could describe it, yes. It's probably a saucer of some sort of what? Everybody says it's a Borg cube. The visuals don't matter. They never will, because the circumstance is the only part that matters here. The situation in which they're encountered. The visual will not affect anything. It cannot.

Cristina: But you don't find it interesting to know any of it.

Jack: Not if it's obstructing the goal, which is just to make it through the story. We're just trying to make it through the story. The visuals of what they saw. Unimportant. There's significantly more impressive things to get to. They have nothing to do with how these ships look like or how aliens look like or what the guy talking about it looks like. I've only seen one of the three whistleblowers. I couldn't tell you what they look like either. I've read about the other two. I don't know why. Only one of them is like being. I guess he said he's probably the most attractive one. The other guy is probably boring.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're all saying the same thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And I'm sure they don't look the same. So point being. Point being, they have seen these ships. They know it is not technology that they're familiar with. And they have worked in reconnaissance is one of them. And two of them are engineers. None of them have ever witnessed the technology, which is why they assume it is alien technology. They know what the enemy has got. And unless this is so top secret that even the people who you've got in giving you information from the inside, like even the closest guy to the biggest, most secret bad guy doesn't have it that kind of information. Because these guys were reconnaissance agency engineers and reconnaissance agency officers. Recon officers, essentially. The exact. Let me see, what the h*** was the name of this company? It's the National Reconnaissance. It's literally the National Reconnaissance Office. And that's where they work for. And the guy we are focusing on, the whistleblower, that seems to be the one being pushed around. I don't know why specifically him. This has a bit of propaganda ideology and like smells to it. Right? Because three guys, you focus. You zoned in on one.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Gives me a bit of a Chad Vibes. So you focus on a guy who already gives me the idea that you can probably trick him to do it how you want. So you're focusing on him because you couldn't control the situation. It looks like a swift. And again, still suppressed. No big place has it. All the big places, which is another interesting idea. The big journalists who pick up the stories aren't picking up the story. But journalism now has a bunch of people who are by no means even trying to confirm half of the stories they publish. So why were they unwilling to publish the thing that would have obviously gotten them a bunch of views? Somebody told Them not to.

Cristina: That's what you're thinking.

Jack: If they run this story, true or not and they've run a bunch of s*** that isn't true, that's obviously not true. Indeed do not seem to care. And this would fit any kind of narrative of life and we're not alone and yeah, you got no God. All that kind of stuff that's very. We're progressive and all that. That's. That all fits into that narrative and they're not running it. That's weird.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: That's very weird. This is very beneficial for your thing. You want views and you. We're gonna make friends with the aliens where every all inclusive. It's your opportunity. The moment has arrived and. And you didn't run it. Somebody told you not to run it. Or you can discredit them. You have done your homework and found something that says they're full of s***.

Cristina: That could also be it. They all think like. Like it's so easy for them to. And these other smaller ones wouldn't do the work.

Jack: But here's a problem. The big places also don't do the work all the time. They don't do the work. There's consistent publications that they got rid of that because they didn't do their homework or they did it wrong because they didn't again do their homework. So what is the difference? They have to be able to either easily disprove this. There's nothing to disprove. I think the idea is that there isn't enough proof. I think the lack of proof alone is like oh no, it's just one of those kooks.

Cristina: It is does feel like. But if they did work for the government, I feel like it's less. Makes it a little more.

Jack: But not if I didn't see anything.

Cristina: That's true, I guess. But still not like you just got someone who says they're been abducted or whatever like a regular person.

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. Before the whistleblowers happened and after the FBI claimed that it was going to, you know, had people studying space, a bunch of groups got together and that they're studying and they're going to make more programs to study and more funding. Out of nowhere they also redefined what the term UAP stands for. This happened suddenly last couple of days actually.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: UAP originally stood for Unidentified Aerial Phenomena but it's been changed to Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena. Now let us go back to the beginning of these stories and Dive into each one with a little more detail. NASA takes three very well known videos, takes the first one into it, takes the second one a couple years later, takes the next one a couple years later. And we're gonna look into it after they took the third one, two years later, they return them all. They're like, we don't know what the f*** this is. Not a clue. You guys can have it, help help us figure it out. Then the Pentagon comes on and publicly confirms, yes, a hundred percent. And NASA is not full of s***. NASA's not full of s***. We, we don't know. We don't know. We're gonna be honest, we're not scared. It's not horrifying, it's informational. There are things out here and we don't know what they are. So we need help, assistance, just citizens as part of Earth, we're all giant global thing. Let us figure this out together. A moment of unity, blah, blah, blah. And you know, stupid political speeches. Yes, it's very important to note that the three videos that NASA confiscated were all leaked by the Air Force. Important details.

Cristina: Why is that important?

Jack: We'll get to that. Okay, Important details. It was all from the Air Force. All of the videos that were made public that they then were like, don't worry about it, we're gonna figure it out. And then the leader were like, no, we don't get it all from the Air Force. Okay, so Air Force veteran, a couple of years later, very recently, goes on tv, this happened a couple of months ago, and says what? There are many. It's often, it's common. But now let's go into some details about this man's comments, because he also says they can. They're trans, environmental. Like they go from water to the sky, like nothing. Some of them just go into the ground, like nothing. Phase through it if they have to. Or seamlessly cross some threshold where they don't come in contact with anything. They fly, stop, cold, without any acceleration or deceleration, just sudden stop and then keep moving like no, it never happened. They're talking about ships that work like submarines and ships that work like excavation drills, and ships that work like cars and ships that work like planes and ships that work like space rockets. These ships are capable of all terrain.

Cristina: Yes, it's pretty cool.

Jack: Yes. So the government, knowing that they are encountering these things and trying to stay away from the conspiracy thing, which is why they made UAP in the first place, redefines it to be inclusive. But they don't make a public Statement about redefining this thing that the government is working on. They just change it to unidentified anomalous phenomenon so that it's not aerial phenomenon anymore. It's all unknown.

Cristina: That includes aliens, Right? Like, if you find the alien, it would be an. It would be the same word now.

Jack: No, if you found an alien vessel. Yes. An alien doesn't mean unidentified flying. Unless you found an alien floating in space, you're unidentified object. It doesn't. Like, unless I'm thinking this word is associating specifically to the technology and not necessarily the being.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because it, like, let's say there's a floating alien. Is the alien the unidentified flying object?

Cristina: I guess it's a third word. Object. What's the third word?

Jack: Unidentified anomalous phenomena.

Cristina: Phenomenon doesn't really mean anything. Doesn't mean it's a ship.

Jack: But I think in the way we're trying to think about it, we're aiming it towards that it's the technology that something is inside of that's allowing it to traverse some form of our terrain.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I, I'm under the impression that that's the terminology that we mean. If you disagree, I am open to arguments, but I believe that's the use that we're applying here. So I'm going with that. Use. Yes, there just an alien that could survive the vacuum of space, floats in, chills in our stratosphere, dips out. And we're seeing that, but we're not really thinking of that being the case. We're usually thinking like hunk of metal with some electronics or something happening. So I. That's the visual I get relative to unidentified anomalous phenomenon. We're not talking about the creature itself. And I don't think that necessarily means aliens. It could mean that an alien is inside the vessel, but it could also mean that it's just foreign tech.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Because the vessel is what we're talking about, or at least what we're assuming. Because by definition. Yes. The fact that it's not an object. Object was taken out. Now it's phenomenon. It's all inclusive. It's anything that happens in the natural world.

Cristina: Yes. That's weird way to swap it to be like, yeah, it's just a flying object.

Jack: In both cases, it was phenomenon. It was an identified aerial phenomenon. And then the other one is unidentified anomalous phenomenon. In both cases they were phenomenon.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This one was taking place in the sky.

Cristina: Yes. So just. They're just talking about events, then. They're not really even talking about objects or aliens. Or anything. It's just weird things are happening and we're seeing these weird things.

Jack: Well, the main guy we're focusing on, David Grush, said that he saw and he knows that it's a craft of non human origin. Is the exact quote. Non human origin. And that. Yeah. The exact line relative to sometimes acquiring things are that sometimes bodies are acquired at crash sites. He doesn't say he ever saw one. The other guys never claimed the thing either. So there's. It's a lot of like, we gotta take you on your word and you don't know what your word is.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. These things could be aliens.

Jack: But one of them does claim to have been reverse engineering the technology that was acquired during the Cold War.

Cristina: That's not the famous one. What? That is so crazy. What makes this guy unique?

Jack: If that guy actually was probably that he was working on reverse engineering technology that was acquired during the Cold War.

Cristina: Is why he's not that.

Jack: No, that's probably what makes him unique.

Cristina: The one that's saying all this stuff. The main guy.

Jack: Oh, my bad. Is he's the hotter one of the three.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: That's probably.

Cristina: It would make more sense if it was that guy that you mentioned or.

Jack: The easier one to control or he said the most while the other was like, there's aliens, you know? Yeah, they're like, yeah, what about it? Just. Yeah, they're over.

Cristina: One of them has actually worked on the technology.

Jack: Yes, but it's just technology that he doesn't understand. Not necessarily alien technology.

Cristina: Okay, but he's assuming.

Jack: He's assuming it's never seen anything like it. Okay. Following the government press release where they are telling us the updates where they change UAP from meaning unidentified Aerial Phenomenon to Unidentified fight anomalous phenomenon, the man, the government official giving the statements and updating us on the new happenings, a law changes and the fact that the United States government with bunch of agencies have been looking into and will continue to look into alien things. He goes on to mention that they're aware of the magnitudes of superiority that the aliens. And he goes as far as to use the term aliens and then corrects himself and says extraterrestrial to be politically correct, I'm assuming. But yes, the extraterrestrials that there are, they are magnitudes of difference technologically away from us, but also that they're incredibly peaceful. Then he follows up by saying that we have been programmed to see these things militaristically when it does not make sense. Because.

Cristina: Wait, wait, I'm confused now.

Jack: It's the guy who did during the press conference where they were telling.

Cristina: Unrelated to the whistleblowing.

Jack: Unrelated to the whistleblowing.

Cristina: What? Okay.

Jack: He then tells us that they are aware that these people, that these creatures are magnitudes of difference above us. They're basically too far ahead technologically, but that they're peaceful, they're not going to hurt us, they're not going to harm us. We have no reason to be technologically preparing for combat. We should be technologically preparing for communication because they are peaceful. Not only are they peaceful, but they are also organized. That's very important. They are organized. They are community of extraterrestrials with highly advanced technology that if they needed to get rid of us would happen instantaneously. But they are peaceful and we have nothing to worry about. But media and the United States government being the head of these movements forward is a bad idea. These are all things stated by the conference that altered the name from meaning one thing to the other. All of these things were declared by a government official who still works for the government.

Cristina: Said that these aliens are peaceful. So he's peaceful.

Jack: They're organized and they are significantly more powerful than we are. So if we tried something, it would be too easy for them and they would never try.

Cristina: Does that mean we are communicating with the aliens?

Jack: No, they're just seeing the magnitudes of difference from technology and we're just still trying to reverse engineer technology that we cannot fathom.

Cristina: So we're pretend like you have to say they're kind just to not scare us.

Jack: Why? Why is it I don't understand? They've not done anything as far as we know.

Cristina: Well, saying that they're kind doesn't make sense either. Why or peaceful like that feels made up.

Jack: Why if they've done nothing that has been non peaceful. I'm assuming that's why they're saying they're peaceful. They haven't attacked anybody, they haven't abducted people. These are all bullshit stories. Most likely.

Cristina: Okay. Okay, I guess. Yeah, that would mean anything.

Jack: Yeah. None of that means anything. There's a crazy people probably wrong.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know they saw the thing and then made up stories about it.

Cristina: Yeah. How do we trust this person? I don't know.

Jack: Who cares? None of this information could be proven. We have basically a bunch of separate pieces of information that complete an image. And none of them are complete sets of information. So the image goes as follows. We have the witnesses that said nothing on record, but spoke with the other workers that are the whistleblowers but they're.

Cristina: Not calling these people the whistleblowers.

Jack: No. Because they never went on record and said anything. They're telling us. The whistleblowers are telling us about things that they heard from where they work and the few things they saw which can't be confirmed except for one of them that actually worked on this technology that's absolutely too advanced. And the others are people who never went on record and worked with, Saw interacted with something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Unspecified. And the assumption that there were aliens based on crash sites must result in bodies. And then the belief that. Yes, we've heard mentions that there are things like that here. Now, I don't know if I mentioned this while talking about this. It escapes me right now. But it's very important that when we talk about. Oh, we're in contact with them and we've not necessarily in contact with them, but we've known of them. When we talk about this, it's very important to know something crucial. These secret agencies that are tracking this stuff have not in any way told Congress until recently. So the highest branches of our government had no knowledge at all that this was even taken place.

Cristina: Who knew about it?

Jack: The facilities that were running these things, the central.

Cristina: But they're part of the government.

Jack: They're part of the government, but they're not Congress, the highest form of our government. There were sections of our government withholding information from the people's government.

Cristina: But the guy who was telling us to that the aliens were nice and everything. He's part of the government.

Jack: He's part of this, part of the hype. He's. He's adjacent to Congress people. It's important government information.

Cristina: Is he somehow related to, to the other three people who came out?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: No, he's not. These are all different groups of people, all government agents one way or another. But the, the whistleblowers aren't directly from the government. It's government agencies. It's like third party groups that work exclusively for the government or whatever. Like the CIA. I guess the FBI is really just like. But I guess that's, that's an agency of its own. Right? Is that a government agency?

Cristina: I don't know. They all sound like government.

Jack: I guess. They're all just government agencies. Whatever. What is these government agencies that were doing it, but the information was being kept from the highest forms of our government and they had no access to it or knowledge that this was even going on. It was kept away from them because risk factors or whatever. And that's another Part of this problem. So now this is told to us not by the whistleblowers, this is told to us by this guy who changed his name from what UAP means. The guy, the actual guy who still works for the government comes out and says that these agencies had never told Congress about this.

Cristina: I can't. Can you repeat it again? I can't. I can't just. I can't memorize it. It's so annoying.

Jack: What, the order of events?

Cristina: No, the name of the. The New name for UFOs.

Jack: Unidentified aerial phenomenon. Unidentified Anomalous Phenomenon.

Cristina: Phenomenon. Okay.

Jack: Unidentified Anomalous phenomena. But it's because, like they've said, you've seen some of these older videos. I'm discussing these people, this, these contraptions, these machines, ships, these vessels going from water to land seamlessly, no slowing pace, almost undisturbed.

Cristina: You know, the new name. You know the new name doesn't have extraterrestrial in it, right? Like, it's not. It doesn't mean that. That's from a different planet. Whatever this thing is, it's just an unknown on land.

Jack: It could just. It's not from our land.

Cristina: It's not from our land.

Jack: Yeah, but that's always what it's meant.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Never meant from space.

Cristina: It's extraterrestrial.

Jack: Yeah, we think.

Cristina: Yes, but because we're just calling this thing without that word in it. I don't know.

Jack: It's the same. No, it's the same idea of like saying unidentified aerial Phenomenon. Like you're not really thinking a floating alien. You're thinking machine. But what you're describing is the same.

Cristina: They go in and out of water like nothing, right? Yeah, we know a thing that lives in the water with high technology.

Jack: Yeah, we know. I know.

Cristina: Like, it could be them.

Jack: Yeah, it's them. Okay, it's them. It's obviously them, okay? Like, whatever anybody thinks is going on. And if they're organized, they're organized. You're telling me this is organized group of people who is more organized than the f****** Atlanteans? Organized with the height of every major civilization, not just intellectually and communally, but literally organize them along an invisible line. So just masters of just. We're gonna super organize. We're gonna organize s*** that doesn't need to be organized. We're just organize all of it. That's just what they do. And where do they go? They chill in the f****** water. But where do they also chill?

Cristina: Around the water?

Jack: They're always around the water, go in and out of it. Seamlessly. And the other place they go is the sky. Where's the other place we see the Atlanteans showing up from? It's all consistent. It all checks out. It's. It's a group of people. Like, it's obviously the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The people don't know it's the Atlanteans, but it's the Atlantis.

Cristina: Yes. So the Atlanteans are finally communicating. Communicating with our government.

Jack: No, it's just. We're just coming clean about the fact that we've caught crashed Atlantean ships and we have Atlantean bodies. The idea here is that maybe what's happening is they look nothing like we thought they did.

Cristina: But they know that it's not aliens.

Jack: They would know it's not aliens.

Cristina: They would know it's not aliens.

Jack: They, they. If the, the releasing of the information is because of some crucial amount of information is because they're gonna tell us it was never aliens, it's us. There's no aliens. It's just us. So they feel safer and more comfortable in the information.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: To disclose it to the mass public. Oh, no. It's a different human civilization.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why they don't have to say it's aliens. They never have to say that because in, in a way it's not. But they could claim that it's. Oh, it could be our enemy or whatever, you know, it could be.

Jack: Could be an issue.

Cristina: Yeah, but.

Jack: But it's definitely the Atlanteans. It has to be. It has to be. Now the alternative here is. And we've. We stumbled upon this same idea at the end of when we were talking about. And went through that entire series about that started at unicorns that ended at. Quite definitely. Everything links back to the Atlanteans, including this, which is a totally unrelated series. But the Atlanteans and the fact that they're one group of people, and maybe not the most developed one, because we still don't know if the Atlanteans are the same as the civilization with the oldest tools 2.5 million years ago. Because it's not the sapiens. The sapiens weren't. No. The sapiens developed tools a hundred thousand years ago.

Cristina: Why wouldn't it be the Atlanteans?

Jack: I guess they were sapiens, but different. Something different.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: No. Well, the idea is, were those the Atlanteans and the Atlanteans aren't human like we are. They were never. If it is the Atlanteans and the Atlanteans aren't like we are. That checks out. They are those people. But if the Atlanteans are supposed to be human somehow, then. Then again, maybe not. Maybe they're just earthlings. And there's always been this other not human but humanoid thing.

Cristina: It's a humanoid thing. It's.

Jack: And they're very close. Yeah, they're very close. There's a gene.

Cristina: Ancestors.

Jack: Yes. We connect and they just developed way long. Faster.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But like if we're around for a million years, we're gonna see some other s*** get to where we are now when we're way out. Right. Like. Yeah, obviously.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. I think it's. I think that's what it is. I think that's what we're looking at.

Jack: So we thought aliens. It was too advanced. It's coming out of the water, usually around the suspected area. Same s***. Yeah. Yeah. We know who it is. Everything can expect.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: But are they the good guys? Because the other thing is the fact that everything. Everything innocent and curious leads back to the Atlanteans. Everything dark and twisted always leads back to adrenochrome. That's. That's really what's happening. And we're not even really leading back to the Atlanteans. They just have access to two really, really important things. One, unicorns. But I don't even think that really has to do with them as much as a mountain that just happens to have unicorns. And it's a mountain that seems to be frequented by the Atlanteans that they happen to have technology to modify horses with which we established. But that's their thing. Unicorns. And there's something about unicorn blood.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That is equal but opposite to adrenochrome. And everything leads to those two things somehow. Except I also don't think it has to do with. A lot. Has to do with unicorn blood. A lot. And a lot has to do with adrenochrome. But a surprising amount of it is somehow circling whatever. The Garden of Eden. That technology really is weird. All of that. All of that. But the important thing is that. Yes, the entire time I was going through this, this is exactly what I had in mind. It is that when that it was the Atlanteans. It's a hundred percent the Atlantis. The seamless in and out of water.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fact that any time we're discussing these creatures. Always humanoid. Did they have to.

Cristina: But they never said it was humanoid. You never gave.

Jack: No. All the bits of it. Keep in mind how all the information we have with the Roswell crash, the ship retrieved during the Cold War, all this kind of stuff like this. Grays. Oh, yeah. They're just like. Maybe Atlanteans look really strange.

Cristina: They probably do if they live underwater.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Because it's dark down there.

Jack: Yeah. And maybe they're more scaly or something.

Cristina: Yeah. They gotta evolve.

Jack: Yeah. Over a crazy amount of time. A million years. A million. Just 1.5 million years. And how advanced is the civilization? We're only a hundred thousand into us figuring out tools and language. Only a hundred thousand years into figuring out tools and language. Humans as we know them today. Whoa. Do you imagine if 2.5 million years ago we had accomplished where we are not actually where we were 100,000 years ago. And we still have 2.4 million years to go right now. We still have 2.4 million years to go to catch up.

Cristina: That's crazy, man. I wonder what that does mean to their evolution. Like, do they look kind of like fish people? Do they have skills? He.

Jack: Well, here's another problem.

Cristina: They probably do have dark eyes.

Jack: No, listen to me. Here's another problem. Here's another problem. It could he. Oh, man. Okay, okay, okay. This became about. This was about aliens and just returned to something. It just tied back. It tied back.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But let's be real. I was. I've had so many thoughts since we did those episodes about this subject, about the Atlanteans. I've really thought about this. I don't know why this all connects. I know we do this research and we joke around. Around and make the connections and whatever, but the pattern just persisted so hard.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That the Atlanteans. Man. I don't think that the same people that were highly advanced or made the tools 2.5 million years ago. Really? Really. I don't think that's the same people that are the Atlantis. Because the Atlanteans were a threat, but still a person you could threaten to some degree. They could. They could be concerned about things when we were finding out about them in the biblical times, areas they conquered in the future. That wasn't even that long ago. 1700s. Not that long ago. So we have the Atlanteans not being godly.

Cristina: What if their evolution isn't as advanced as we thought they were? Like. Yes, advanced to us, but, like their evolution was slower than us at the same time.

Jack: Like the human factors that we keep.

Cristina: Yes. Like our evolution in the same amount of time.

Jack: It would be nuts.

Cristina: Yes, that's what I'm saying.

Jack: Like we're catching up.

Cristina: Yeah, like they. Yes, they had more time, but if we had the same time it wouldn't look the same.

Jack: It would be monstrously advanced.

Cristina: Yeah, that's because that would make that make sense.

Jack: That would make that make sense. And that seems to be what the advantage we have over other creatures on Earth. It would absolutely make sense that if 2.5 million years ago, a civilization had just established tools, then it took us 100,000 years to get to where we are. And we can explore local planet. Really difficult. That's our super extreme task. We can explore a really close planet and it's really, really hard. But only 100,000 years in how long like are they still bound the Earth? Are they still bound to our local system? They're not really going too far. Maybe they're in one or two planets. In that level of technology we can detect you, we can find you. We're kind of catching up technologically now.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: So in a 200000 year period, we're more advanced than a 2.5 million year.

Cristina: Yes. They have something that are way more advanced than us, but they've had way.

Jack: More time doing that slowly.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So.

Jack: So it's a civil.

Cristina: And look in this kind of helped us evolve too.

Jack: Look, this is actually the trick. I think you found a missing link of information for this. I think you found something because this would explain a lot. If we're assuming we're all moving at the same pace. It doesn't work. No, but if they were advanced this far long ago, then throughout the millions of years they evolved and did their things. And then we come around and it's our ancient times, but they bring us up with the knowledge they have. But we're also the creature that speeds things up. That's our thing.

Cristina: We got it, we understood it. We were catching up.

Jack: Maybe not even necessarily. But look, you teach your children, your children will teach their children. You're gonna know way too early. You guys are gonna be masters of the thing and then be able to do the thing you guys do. And then we're doing the things we guys do. Yeah, we've been doing it.

Cristina: Exactly. That makes a lot of sense.

Jack: In that instance, he could both be that old civilization and have still been the civilization that was still crazy advanced. But like a giant colossal earthly problem could make you want to get the f*** out of somewhere.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Giant flood. Oh yeah, we got evacuate. This is dangerous. It doesn't matter how advanced we are. They're not planet destroying advanced because Slow progress. They're not human. We are. They're close. But we got that thing, whatever that.

Cristina: We might have that thing. I think we might have that thing.

Jack: We have it. As compared to everything else on Earth. Yeah, we have that thing.

Cristina: So we might compare to them.

Jack: Plants are the slowest planners. They take millions of years to make the slowest increments of evolutionary progress. They'll adapt to an area almost instantaneous, simultaneously. That's fine. Adapting systems like the bird has to eat the thing. Then the thing develops in the bird. Bird s**** it, the fish eats it, the thing. You know, the crap like that. All those kinds of weird plant cycles, like figuring out how to float away pollen so it lands way the h*** down there. And then you keep reproducing that way. Weird things like that takes millions of years. Only us as human. Humans have invented a phone that isn't connected to a wall 30 years ago. And now we went from that phone, makes a call to, I can send a signal into space, bounce it off of a piece of metal that I put up there. It'll bounce to another piece of metal and fling back down in the other side of the world instantaneously. See, like 30 years. How long could it have taken an Atlantean to accomplish the same thing? They had the time. They're way more advanced than we are by miles. But we're catching up.

Cristina: Yes. I think. I think we thought, oh, my God.

Jack: That's why they've seemed the same. And that effect is also godly. They were like God as compared to us way long ago. But as we caught up, they've looked, oh, no. They're just, you know, the special kind of human. And you get a little closer technologically. Again. No, they're people. We get a little closer technologically. Again. No, you just evolved the way we did. They just had more time.

Cristina: That's why we could actually figure out their technology. It's not that alien after all.

Jack: It's not that alien. Interesting. It's earthly technology. And what we're seeing is a bunch of Atlanteans. Yep. It checks out. I was thinking. I didn't know all this other information, but I was thinking it was definitely Atlanteans.

Cristina: You were?

Jack: I was seeing the whole coming in and out of the water thing. I thought that was really, really strange. Very weird. I found the fact that we are actively including that it is now everything, whether on ground or water or land or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, that description is really important.

Jack: It was so, like, Yeah. You specifically took Ariel out Because it's not about the sky. That sounds too obvious. And the fact that they're very comfortable sharing information. Why? Why would changed, bro. I know we didn't just suddenly have some crazy scientific breakthrough and are gonna make contact with them and be taken into the. We're not. No. We're nowhere near that. I don't care how much tech you've been hiding from us, you ain't there. So then what is it? You found out something that made you go, oh, this is fine. This ain't a problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So what was it? It was some crap that just deflated the issue. Oh. We've been seeing thousands. We've been horrified for years. Tens of dozens of years. Oh my God. Oh, it was just other creatures that evolved on Earth. They could probably put a though.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh yeah. I went from.

Jack: You're not.

Cristina: We don't know. We're horrified to. We gotta. We need a space force to protect us.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're peaceful.

Jack: Oh yeah, it's peaceful. It went from we need society to help us figure this problem out. We don't know what they are. And we need a space force. There's stuff out here too. Yeah, let's change the terms. They're nice. It's all cool. We need to stop the like being militarized. Surprised? It's like, get the out of here, bro. You guys found some out what they're gonna be like. It's new info. Nah, you've known so much.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: Crazy a** UAPs. I guess not UFOs anymore. UAPs.

Cristina: I'm never gonna remember that. It's so dumb. I don't like it. It.

Jack: I don't like it. Well, we're used to ufo.

Cristina: We're just used to it.

Jack: Yeah, we'll get used to uapo.

Cristina: Kind of sounds silly. So.

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's. I mean it's an acronym. It's whatever. It's not cool or lame. It's neutral.

Cristina: What if we say that instead? Yeah. No, that's awful. That's so awful. Well, that was awesome.

Jack: Yeah. That was. The important details at least the things that matter. The pressing issues. So, okay, you guys, you can contact us. Tell us about all the stuff. Tell us about what you think about these. It's. I mean, it's obvious.

Cristina: These not very alien.

Jack: These definitely earthling creatures in ships coming in and out of water. Usually the Atlantic Ocean. You tell me who you think that might be or what you tell me what you think that might be. Might be.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, you guys fill us in. And you can do that on our socials. Just Convopod. That's on TikTok, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, wherever you'd like.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe and rate the show and review and review it.

Jack: Yeah, review it, too. Yeah.

Cristina: Sweet. You haven't done those things.

Jack: And be sure to listen to episodes related to this subject. We have two recent episodes about you UFOs. We have many episodes about aliens. We have a clusterfuck of episodes about the Atlanteans and unicorns and Adrenochrome and what Adrenochrome relates to that happens to be the shadow realm.

Cristina: So anything.

Jack: And yeah, there's a lot. There's a web of things. We've successfully tied so much of the craziest things you've ever heard together. So go look.

Cristina: Let someone who might like this show know about it.

Jack: Yes, the power of word of mouth is great.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 10, 2023

Rambling 229: Undeadly Wildfires

June 10, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are the Canadian Wildfires intentional man made creations? If so, what does it mean? And are wildfires particularly deadly as compared to other things? The duo unpack the canadian wildfires and what they mean, as well as some of the deadliest things on Earth.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Canada Wildfires Conspiracy
Annual Death Average
Controlled Fires
Prescribed Fire
Intentional Fires
Most Deaths List

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And right now you've just told me that you heard about a conspiracy theory.

Cristina: Sort of, I guess, yeah.

Jack: Okay, elaborate. Tell me. Tell me what we need to know.

Cristina: Because they don't really know anything. So I don't know. I mean, it's incomplete.

Jack: What's the theory?

Cristina: The theory is so awful that there is no forest fires happening in Canada.

Jack: No forest fires happening in Canada, which.

Cristina: Still a bunch of questions because there's obviously something happening.

Jack: Yes. So it is so strange that you would bring this up because I have both seen videos and heard from people, which I guess aren't necessarily reliable sources, but heard from people information that essentially supports this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah. So first let's talk about the existence of the fires, if there is a fire. There are a couple of different videos that I have seen in the last couple of days of planes intentionally. And it's videos where you can see kind of like the timestamp on it. And like it's like people making it obvious that they're recording this. Like, no, f*** this, I'm gonna turn on everything so you could see what the h*** I'm looking at.

Cristina: How do you know the timestamp isn't fake?

Jack: D***, that would be effort. But let's assume that these videos are, with the timestamp, are real. Right. Then this wouldn't theory suggests that there is really something going on. That there is like, okay, these videos suddenly surface. They're all about the same time, last couple of weeks, about fires, planes flying, causing streaks of flame. Not sure if it's many points of view of the same one thing. Not sure. If it's many videos, if it's many people recording this pretty remote plane, then it's part of some project.

Cristina: But isn't fires normal too? Like, don't we set fires to control?

Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So there's a couple of things. If it's many planes in many places, problem. If it's many planes in the same area, again, it's control. If it's a controlled fire. The question is, was it a controlled fire that lost control? I guess that would explain it, right?

Cristina: A controlled fire that lost control.

Jack: It was an intentional fire that everything in theory would work out, but some crazy abstract other random thing, I guess not abstract, but Random other thing came through. Like the wind suddenly changed and got really, really, really strong. And that fire too far. Yeah, exactly. Like, usually it's a. And they can usually predict it. Well, usually it's just like, okay, we'll have the. We'll do the fire this day because the wind is going to be about this strong or whatever. They calculated it. They got all the people to the science people that do the science thing that tell them exactly the weather conditions, meteorologists and all those.

Cristina: And they got it wrong by like a decimal point.

Jack: Yeah, they got it slightly wrong. And it's also. We up the world and like randomly crazy happens.

Cristina: Okay, but if someone did it on purpose.

Jack: Now we're entering some interesting territory because motive matters. If we just focus on the on purpose part of this.

Cristina: Why are they like, why? What is people's theories on why? That's what I want to know.

Jack: Like on purpose bad or on purpose good?

Cristina: Bad.

Jack: Right. Because on purpose good is a controlled fire. That's not interesting. That's just. It lost control. But on purpose bad, bad.

Cristina: What could possibly be.

Jack: What could possibly be the goal? What's the point? What would. The government, I guess, is the main culprit always. So what the government need and they could somehow get by doing this.

Cristina: It does give me Covid vibes of like telling people not to go to work or go to school and wear masks.

Jack: Okay, fair enough. If a bunch of people suddenly die again, relative to this, I'm gonna tell you that I 100% believe there's something wrong.

Cristina: Why wouldn't the smoke have given us something? It's not good to breathe in smoke. No. If we get cancer in the long run because we've been inhaling smoke from fire, like.

Jack: No, I feel, you know, it could totally be. Maybe the. Maybe the hospitals are running out of money and they're like, hey, or maybe he's just greedy and want more money. The hospital set this up. And I mean, that's still government.

Cristina: I get this is.

Jack: Yeah. Hospitals are owned by the government. Well, some hospitals are owned by the government and they're still like, so okay, we're gov.

Cristina: The government doesn't take everything care of anything that's under it, though. Like the hospital. They say the hospital and then they say like NASA and then they say like schools.

Jack: But like all the politicians pocketing all of it.

Cristina: Yes. Those things are like hardly being taken care of. And yet they're evil because the government helps them. But are they?

Jack: No, not really. The government goes pretty bare minimum.

Cristina: Yeah. Somehow these. They're evil. Like, these things are evil because government. But, like, why? They're not helping them. They're not on their side.

Jack: No, the government is 100% not on their side.

Cristina: So you think the hospital is behind this?

Jack: No.

Cristina: You think the government is behind.

Jack: No, I just don't know who. We're trying to find out who's behind this.

Cristina: I don't know who's behind this.

Jack: Isn't that the ultimate goal, to find out who's behind it?

Cristina: And the cigarette company is behind this because if we get lung cancer, they can be like this. This never. This is not our fault.

Jack: Yeah. It just happens.

Cristina: People get cancer in. Yeah. Lung cancer is normal.

Jack: You think it's okay, Fair enough. So you're. What you're telling me is the cigarette company came with a comeback scheme.

Cristina: Yes, to show that they're not that evil. Because obviously you could just naturally get lung cancer. It's not us causing the lung cancer. Just being outside causes lung cancer.

Jack: Yeah. This is still. Man, that's crazy, because we kind of, as a result, will live in a weird dystopian, like. I've heard that word all week.

Cristina: Dystopian.

Jack: Dystopian. It's a dystopian situation. It's very post apocalyptic for whatever reason. So I guess based on that, is the world gonna end many different times?

Cristina: I don't think it's ending because we're still gonna live. We're just gonna die sooner.

Jack: No, I'm saying, like, I guess life as we know it changed immediately.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But also not by branch. Yeah. Sudden change is what we're measuring. Right. Because, like, gradual changes are always happening.

Cristina: What is it apocalyptic? I guess Covid made apocalyptic living normal. So, like. Yeah, that's. Why was it apocalyptic?

Jack: Is it apocalyptic After Hella, people die. Isn't that the apocalypse?

Cristina: Oh, they made us believe there was a bunch of people who died. And who knows? Maybe a bunch of people died. I don't know.

Jack: But not like huge. Like, we think huge numbers. But there's billions of people. A million doesn't scratch that number.

Cristina: Well, they made it seem huge.

Jack: Was the total death count.

Cristina: Oh, Covid.

Jack: Yeah. I don't think the total death count of COVID could have been that crazy. Maybe I'll be generous and give it 20 million.

Cristina: Right? Mm.

Jack: That's nowhere near a billion.

Cristina: 6,000. 6 million.

Jack: 6 million. Like, yes, those are lives. And that f****** sucks, dude.

Cristina: But there's worse things.

Jack: But there are worse things.

Cristina: Six million in the world. That's the world's head Count. That's makes no sense of the bigger.

Jack: So what's the biggest, the most lethal bacteria or. You know what?

Cristina: What?

Jack: I know the Spanish flu killed like 50 million people.

Cristina: 50 million?

Jack: Yeah. I am like, like 95% sure it was either 50 or 60 million people died because of the Spanish flu.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What number?

Cristina: At least 50 million worldwide.

Jack: D***, bro.

Cristina: With 675 occurring in the United States.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Just off the top of my head. Let's go.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: There are monsters out there, bro.

Cristina: Is that the deadliest? That's so deadly. I don't understand.

Jack: That's up there. Up there. That's one twentieth of them of a billion. This one twentieth of a billion, bro. Six million?

Cristina: Yeah. That's nothing.

Jack: That's a lot.

Cristina: That's not scratching that the Spanish flu.

Jack: Yeah, the Spanish flu is a freaking freak of nature. Some crazy death machine. But also, what about the Dark Ages? Like the plague? Was that crazy number of deaths the plague?

Cristina: Was it called the plague?

Jack: Yeah, but now my question about the plague is then were there even that many people around at that time? You know, like if we're multiplying 5.

Cristina: Million to 200 million deaths.

Jack: Oh, f***.

Cristina: So I don't know how many people were around, but that's a lot of people dead.

Jack: Okay, follow up. Is the plague also happening in the Dark Ages? And are those the same thing?

Cristina: No, no, the Dark ages are nothing.

Jack: What do you mean nothing?

Cristina: They're just a period of time before. What is it then? Light ages? I don't know what they would call it. I don't know. It just. Descriptions are just like. It was bad and economically it was.

Jack: Just a crappy time to live. We're poor.

Cristina: We're poor. Doesn't mean we were dying. I mean there's probably.

Jack: I mean, poverty means a lot of death.

Cristina: Yeah, but not the same as the plague.

Jack: No, the plague is some crazy kingpin. He's the top of the totem pole because d***, bro, 200 million. Everything is chump numbers next to that. Yeah, that's freaking nuts. So then is it that the plague is the heavyweight of life taking. Is there nothing that has taken more life than the plague? Is it the winners champion above all else, the greatest of all time?

Cristina: No, it's cancer.

Jack: You think it's cancer? Fair enough. Is probably some crazy s*** like that, right? Like what killed more people within a year period. Okay, so actually pulling it up and looking at the numbers here is a year, an average year, not an exceptional year. We have to choose an unexceptional year. So we got to look at 2019 because 2020, the pandemic. And then ever since, it's been a s*** show of random series of events and crazy disasters. So we're gonna use a normal year before the apocalypse began. So 2019. And on average within a year's time where the plague was several years. That was a really big monster. But it doesn't register amongst the list of the real heavyweights.

Cristina: Okay. Because there are some monsters.

Jack: There's some monsters in here. So I actually have no idea. First of all, this is a list on Our World in Data.org and its causes of death. I gotta count how many there are. And then we'll go backwards or whatever. We'll just. When we get to the top five, then we'll go. So this is a year on average, and we're gonna just throw some random ones out there and say that there are two things that are weird about those Canadian fires in general. People die at about 110,000 fires. Like 110 people die in fires a year.

Cristina: 110 people global. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Now in wildfires, that is usually within a year. Only about 3,800 people in wildfires. People die more in house fires and other kind of car buyers and inconvenient things that. But wildfires are the fire that gets the least amount of deaths because not.

Cristina: Many people are in them. It's in the wild.

Jack: It's always. So there's not a lot of people dying in wildfires.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The media portrays that as something extremely dangerous as opposed to other things because it's an easy new factor that you can scare people with that creates a couple of things. People can tune in to watch your thing more and feel what's happening. I saw it in this news channel. Tune back. They got the information.

Cristina: Information, okay.

Jack: You know, you get views. That's what it's about. Exactly. But we know that media is controlled by something all the way at the top. And we also know that fear is useful for many strange things within the universe. So just saying that as we move on to the next recognizable thing, like murders.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Within the world, without counting war.

Cristina: Is that its own number?

Jack: It should be, but I don't think it registers. But yeah. So homicides in the world, about 415,000 a year.

Cristina: 15,000, that's.

Jack: That's a crap ton of people murdered other people. But like thinking what a billion is and the fact that there's eight of them, okay. It's kind of like, okay, whatever. It's insignificant numbers. Most numbers are going to be insignificant. It just sucks. To lose people is like, they're even bad, Right. That's really what it comes down to. But malaria is 650,000 a year.

Cristina: 650,000. I'm trying to imagine. Okay. What does malaria do?

Jack: It's just a disease. I'm not sure what it does. It's bad for you, I'm assuming. I think it's the one that makes your skin yellow. You get from a mosquito. Most likely. Suicide is actually way higher than homicide. While homicide is 415,000, suicide is 7, 160,000.

Cristina: Well, I would have imagined the other one being higher because usually when you're gonna go kill someone, usually, like, more than one person dies. Usually in those situations. Because usually.

Jack: Really think there's an exceptionally high number of suicides that are mass shooters or people who killed somebody else before they killed themselves.

Cristina: Do I think. What was it?

Jack: That there is a. An exceptionally high number of them, specifically in the suicide section.

Cristina: Mm. Do you think? No.

Jack: Yeah. Like, it would be average everywhere else. There's an average number of killers that have cancer. There's an average, like, that's the same across the board with people who don't have killing tendencies. But when you get to suicide, there's an exceptionally high number of suicides when it comes to killers.

Cristina: Yes. So what do you think? I don't know.

Jack: I would think so, Right? I think because a bunch of them blow their own brains out.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So they would fall in both lists.

Cristina: Yes, they would. Would that make that list longer? That's why? I don't know.

Jack: Well, no, they would just show up on both.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's all it is. It would just show up on both.

Cristina: That's still not crazy, is it?

Jack: Unless we wouldn't count them as a suicide, even if they killed themselves because it was part of some other thing. Like, that would require its own category.

Cristina: But then that number wouldn't be that high.

Jack: No, would it?

Cristina: I have to imagine that they're counting those people.

Jack: I bet there's a list of that. There's probably a list of way darker things that are just specifically horrible like that. How many, like murder suicides happen on earth?

Cristina: Okay. But it can't be that much compared, I bet. You don't think confession.

Jack: Just suicides, Murder suicides.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: AIDS follows suicide with 860,000 a year, kind of pretty small.

Cristina: When does it get big? Is there a big list, though? What's killing people exactly?

Jack: People aren't dying, it seems. It's the. Okay, so here's a fear. This is as you're coming to the same conclusion I came to. We are freaking out, but it's because we've gotten used to a sterile, soft cornered world where there isn't really. Like we were blown away that a war just happened. We were like, holy f***, that s*** still goes on.

Cristina: Oh yeah, it is.

Jack: Yeah. And like people were like, wow, how ancient of this guy is like, yeah, because even that's like mind boggling. There's not really a lot of threats happening anymore. So every small thing like triggers us because we're, we're no longer used to extremes. The closest extremes you do have are like these mass shootings and s***. But that's happening because people are crazy. There's no real conflict.

Cristina: They're just crazy.

Jack: People are losing their minds because there's no real conflict. We exist in a world that required fight or flight, but there's no more a reason for. And that has to come out somehow.

Cristina: And that's how it's coming out.

Jack: Yeah, people bug out. Well, not just like that. It comes out in a million billion different ways, but for some people it comes out that way.

Cristina: Scary. Okay, but then why wouldn't it be happening everywhere? Why does it feel so American for shootouts? For someone to just go kill off a bunch of kids within themselves?

Jack: I don't know. Because it's not that guns don't exist everywhere else.

Cristina: Exactly. Are you saying that we're so much better than the rest of the world that we have no problems in the rest of the world? Does?

Jack: Like, who said that?

Cristina: You, you just said we're bored and that's how that happens. Not that all of that, that's that.

Jack: But like, no, I'm saying there's no real conflict. Nothing is threatening us other than other people.

Cristina: There's no one else.

Jack: Nothing is threatening humans other than other humans. And it's not some giant entity that's doing it. It's just random m***********. So there's not a real threat. There's no animals lurking. There's no.

Cristina: Why isn't things like that. Things like that happening over there too?

Jack: Over where?

Cristina: Anywhere, I don't know. Canada, I don't know, Switzerland. It's just not, I guess, Greenland, I don't know.

Jack: Government's doing well in other places.

Cristina: I suppose that they're keeping people from not doing something. Like, are there people there that want to do it, but the government somehow is doing a better job?

Jack: Well, doesn't Japan have a literal suicide problem? Like, s***. What exactly are you alluding to? What are you trying to get to? Every place has its thing.

Cristina: Every place has its thing.

Jack: Yeah. There's some s*** going on everywhere. This country is where women just get slaughtered at random. Like, okay, s*** happens places. What is your point?

Cristina: That is weird. I don't know.

Jack: We got guns and we shoot each other. France has a huge human trafficking issue. Like, okay.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: What are we getting to?

Cristina: Okay, Everyone has their problem.

Jack: Yeah. There's a country run by a terrorist organization that's just a country now. We just all accepted that and we're just looking the other way because we made it happen. It's just.

Cristina: We definitely didn't make that happen.

Jack: Yeah. It's just there. Nobody's talking about it. It's just there.

Cristina: It's just there.

Jack: That's their thing. They're just.

Cristina: And now the terrorists are horrified of. Why isn't that the thing on the news?

Jack: Because. Because we're laughing at the terrorists. The terrorists took over, killed all the people they needed to work, and then realized that a country doesn't function without the workers. And they're the only ones left who know how to do the things. Because they killed everybody. Because they were like, we'll do it. And now they have to actually do it. So we're like, you're not a problem. You can't fund yourself. You killed your funding. Now you gotta be a corporate douchebag in order to recreate the funding and then like moonlight as a terrorist or some s***. That's hilarious. To the world. Dude. They went on TikTok and Instagram to beg for donations so that they can continue being terrorists. Presumably. But it's for our government or whatever. But. But you're terrorists, bro.

Cristina: Are they still terrorists? Are they what's running the government?

Jack: I don't know. They were just people who mur. I don't know. If they just straight up stop being terrorists, then we have to kind of take a step back and be like, s***, they were. They were dead serious. It wasn't just some. Some propaganda thing. They just did what the f*** they said they were gonna do.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: We're gonna make it better. Whatever. Whatever version of better they thought it was, they really just went ahead and did it and just kill everybody and create some kind of monster demon state. No, they killed a bunch of people. And now they just. Everything settled. And now it's just a functioning place. They're obligated to put schools together because they allows people to get the jobs and then allows those people to do the thing that gives them money. So they're like, oh, crap. Oh, crap. Okay, I guess. I guess we should keep the schools we fought to close open. Right, guys? Yeah. Next is tuberculosis at 1.2 million.

Cristina: That's a lot of people.

Jack: That's a lot of people. That's a lot of dead people. But now we're in a million. So we've broken into larger numbers. But still, like 1 million is such an insignificant portion out of a billion, of which we have eight. It's. There's so many people. What's happening is. And I do believe that to some degree this next statement is true, Whether intentional or just some factor of whatever is happening on Earth that has to balance out, intentional or not, is that there's too many people and there's some correction going on. So all things must aim at reducing people. People can't be extinct because that's problematic. It's part of the ecosystem. But we're problem on the ecosystem. Right. There's too many of us. We have to go back to a point where we're not negatively affecting the environment. So the Earth is trying to correct that. It's like fixing a disease.

Cristina: It's not gonna win, though, because we're too smart.

Jack: We're a cancer.

Cristina: It's why we can adapt.

Jack: We can adapt and we'll change, always change.

Cristina: We'll find the medicine. Some people are gonna die until we find the medicine.

Jack: Yeah, you plug. It will pop up somewhere else. That's all it is. Just like cancer.

Cristina: We get stronger.

Jack: If you make it, we will go somewhere else. You've got to boil yourself to death.

Cristina: But even if you make a disease, we'll just make a cure. Or we'll fight it with something random.

Jack: Unrelated question, but related to this topic, I guess. Not technically. The episode the Atlanteans moved easily an entire civilization from one place to another. Right.

Cristina: Mm. And.

Jack: Earth is the perfect set of conditions for them to do that. There's water. And Mars also had water at some point. And Mars was Earth, like at some point. In fact, the assumption that a lot of theorists have in astronomy is, and I guess life sciences is panspermia, that we came on a rock or something. The most likely rock would be rock locally. And the most likely candidate is Mars because it's the next closest thing other than the moon that we know, nothing could have come from. So are the Atlanteans or whatever preceded them what showed up? And that's why they were already that far advanced. It's not that Earth was necessarily in the right set of conditions. But they dried up one place that they evolved on and got. But they're cancer again. The Atlanteans are just us or people of some sort. Just. We're just different, but similar. And they dried up that planet, they killed that thing, and then we're here doing sort of the same thing, right?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But how are they keeping their numbers small now?

Jack: They're not. We're doing the same s***.

Cristina: But their numbers are not our numbers.

Jack: No, we're doing good enough of this. They already learned their lesson.

Cristina: Oh, okay, so you think they're doing something to stop themselves from having more?

Jack: Yeah, they probably have some genetic.

Cristina: They probably can multiply. Yes. That's the whole point of their machine, of multiplying. Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: And chances are, having made us.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Or having used it to help us or genetically modify us. But whatever the case might be, that's not even the important argument here. The important argument is that they traveled after some place was turned to s*** somewhere else as a whole. They just moved civilization. So they had the capacity to do that. Could they have done that through space? They just migrated on Earth because it was small. But like, if Earth died, they probably just dip.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if somebody were to predict the Earth is going to die sometime soon because their science told them, would they leave when they were just ready instead of waiting for catastrophe to begin? And is that what the Egyptians that didn't stay do? Is that why they had rocket tech? Or is the rocket tech never been used and it's just waiting there because they built it? Because they know that the planet's gonna dry up like Mars?

Cristina: I don't think. No. I don't know. I don't feel like they think it's gonna dry up. They wouldn't hide in the water if they thought, oh, this is gonna dry up eventually.

Jack: Why wouldn't they? It's the last place until it's all gone. They could be there and be fine for ever.

Cristina: Until it dries.

Jack: Until it dries up. They're leaving anyways. At that point, they would be the most hidden. If they're in the deepest part of.

Cristina: The ocean, well, it seems like they're there for good. I don't know.

Jack: Until the place dries up.

Cristina: Until the place dries up. Because then why even be there? Why not just leave somewhere else?

Jack: Why? What do you mean? Somewhere else? Off the planet?

Cristina: Yeah. Like why wait last minute to do that?

Jack: Maybe continue doing your science until you have to leave as opposed to preemptively leave. Not having to yet.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Use the resources in your area without having to use resources elsewhere.

Cristina: But it doesn't seem like that would happen anytime soon anyway.

Jack: They're still here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: While others are thinking on different timescales. You're like, yeah, definitely, it's super far away. But then we can be set up over there first. We can be who the Atlanteans come to. And they need our help because we became really advanced out here and they didn't. So maybe that's why they left. Maybe it was a matter of we want to be the leading civilization now, so we're going to get there first and start establishing ourselves over there before the Atlantans are gonna wait till the end.

Cristina: Yeah, they're probably dead out there.

Jack: You think they're dead out there?

Cristina: Just.

Jack: You think they're dead out there?

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. They're just human still. They needed the Atlanteans to advance as far as they have and.

Jack: But then they did.

Cristina: But they're still humans.

Jack: So are the Atlanteans.

Cristina: They're Mars people now. They're not humans.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. So the argument here is that the Atlanteans came from Mars.

Cristina: That means they're ancient.

Jack: Or the their ancestors. The Atlanteans ancestors came from Mars or these the same ones, the only survivors. And then they use the technology to preserve themselves. But we know that there was a primitive set of. There was a primitive civilization that had tools 2.5 million years ago.

Cristina: It could be them.

Jack: Could it be them? No, because they couldn't have come across space if they were primitive.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: There were creature with tools and something dried up Mars. Are the Atlanteans who was on Mars or are those creatures who evolved into the Atlanteans? That's the problem we have here.

Cristina: Because it can't be both.

Jack: It can't be both.

Cristina: Why not? Because when they were on Mars, maybe they weren't that advanced. It was just luck that they survived on Earth. I'm thinking like they flung off of Earth. They flung off of Mars onto Earth.

Jack: No, that doesn't work. That's not how that works. They would have died in any way that would have happened. It had to be a conscious decision to go to planet B. If that's the case and they already know, then I would argue that the creatures that made the tools. No, man, no, because humans are. None of these humans showed up somewhere around a hundred thousand years ago to 40,000 years ago. These numbers don't make sense? It's possible. There's three groups. If the Atlantean, no matter what, something came from Mars. So we got the Mars, we got the cat people, we have Mars and we have the 2.5 million year ago people with the tools. And then we have humans that show up way more primitive than the people with the tools about 100 to 40,000 years ago. Those are three different scenarios. Even if Atlanteans are one of them, what of the other one? Because we know we're one and we're not the one that's 2.5 million years.

Cristina: Ago and the Atlanteans are not.

Jack: The Atlanteans could have either evolved from those or the Atlanteans could have been the Panspermian civilization. Maybe, maybe alternatively. Alternatively, maybe some of these civilizations, like the Egyptians and the Mayans, they are ancestors somehow of this much, much, much older 2.5 million year old civilization. And that's why, that's who. The ones who left the Egyptians, who left the Mayans that disappeared though, not the ones that became the Mexicans, not the ones that are the current Egyptians of the world, but the ones that vanished, those. What if those were the original ancestors of these other people? And what's there now are just humans that came from the ones from 40,000.

Cristina: Years ago that somehow have to do with them. Like I don't understand.

Jack: That's to fill all the holes on who these civilizations are.

Cristina: So their ancestors are the ones that.

Jack: We had advanced development on our planet. But it wasn't whatever came from Mars that's independent. And that might have been the Atlanteans or whatever their ancestors are, unless it's the same ones. But whatever they cross path got to Earth. And then there's this already evolving intelligent civilization that has tools. They're like, okay, we can make this work.

Cristina: But that doesn't make sense that they, the Egyptians and the piece, don't we all come from the same ancestor? Why would their ancestors be different?

Jack: Whose ancestor?

Cristina: The Egyptians and the Mayans ancestors are different than every other human being's ancestor.

Jack: No, what I said is that the original ones that were here, the ones that went to space and the ones that disappeared or went underground aren't the same as the current day Mexicans and the Egyptians that exist at the moment.

Cristina: But you're saying those Egyptians, those that.

Jack: Exist at the moment are our ancestors.

Cristina: But the ones that were living with.

Jack: Them before they traveled, they weren't living with them. Those are different people who were there and evolved from a different group of people and using technology and development and society migrating, we populate and move around. Humans then took over these spaces. But it was made by other adventures of people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Similar to how there's cavemen and like Neanderthal and this other thing. And like the same idea would apply here. There were different groups.

Cristina: Yes. So the Egyptians didn't make the pyramids. It's whatever group who was there. It was the previous Egyptians, but they weren't Egyptians.

Jack: They were in Egypt.

Cristina: They're in Egypt, but they're from Egypt. But they're from something else.

Jack: From what?

Cristina: I don't know. The ancestors that are not humans. I'm saying the Egyptians are the ones that have the human ancestor. And whatever this other thing is, they're also Egyptian.

Jack: They're just non human Egyptians.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, they're from the same place. If a reptilian was born in the United States, it's not an American reptilian. Why would it not be an American reptilian? It totally is.

Cristina: Would it call itself something else? I don't know.

Jack: It could call itself whatever the h*** it wants to call itself. It doesn't stop it from being American.

Cristina: Okay, right. No, I guess not.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's so weird. Okay.

Jack: But anyway, that was food for thought. Back to the list. Road injuries are also 1.2 million.

Cristina: Stop lying. It's that dangerous. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: But it's not that dangerous. Out of 8 billion, the odds of you dying on the road at all are mind boggling.

Cristina: That's still a lot of death.

Jack: No, that's not even 1%. That's not even 1% of a billion. I think 10 million is 1% of a billion.

Cristina: Okay. Does it get worse than that, though? Like, how much worse? Or is everything else in the millions?

Jack: Yeah, everything else is in the millions. These numbers are only getting bigger as we go up. They've only increased kidney disease somehow. How the is there so much kidney disease? At 1.4 million, it's a lot of kidney disease.

Cristina: It's really easy to get disease in.

Jack: Your kidney, I guess. Diabetes, big heavyweight at 1.55.

Cristina: That's. That's the easy one.

Jack: It's easy to get, but it seems like not a common thing to die from. Like, it's one of the most common things to die from if you're gonna die. Yes, but like, having it does not mean a death sentence because I'm sure way too many people have it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, yeah, the number of people who have it has to be so many times more than a simple. 1.55. Now, mind blowing how these things are just gonna. They're gonna trip us up. We couldn't guess them. We couldn't guess these things. Dementia is more than diabetes at 1.6 million annually. Dementia 1.6.

Cristina: Having dementia.

Jack: Yeah. Your mind falling apart.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that is scary. Okay, so that's more likely of how everyone's gonna die. But wait, our brain is gonna kill us.

Jack: What do you think comes next? Name a way to die.

Cristina: Is it gonna be similar to dimension? Like our brain just shutting off? I don't know, Drowning. I want to do something really random. That's probably really low.

Jack: That's probably low.

Cristina: Well, tripping, I don't know.

Jack: No. Neonatal disorder, baby dying. 1.9 million.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, I can guess that. Mad baby stuff. I mean, every parent fears their baby dying, I think.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty common fear. Yeah, appropriately.

Cristina: And it's always common. Like, I mean, it was way worse back then, but it's still bad. But not as bad, I guess.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Like, that's always been a number one killer, I'm saying, I guess, for babies. For babies.

Jack: Just babies dying at random.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Okay, now we've entered the top five, though.

Cristina: Was that one of the top five?

Jack: No.

Cristina: What? Okay.

Jack: No. Now we're in the top five. In the top five, we're gonna take some crazy jumps and they're gonna be highly unpredictable. So name five different things and hopefully you get one right.

Cristina: What?

Jack: I doubt it.

Cristina: I doubt it.

Jack: They're highly uncommon.

Cristina: But it's common enough that it's killing everyone.

Jack: It's not. None of these. Nothing. Nothing kills people. People aren't dying. People are not dying. People are not dying.

Cristina: What are you talking about?

Jack: There's no high numbers here.

Cristina: In the millions we're talking about.

Jack: Yes. But out of a billion is what we're talking about.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So name a way to die.

Cristina: Name a way to die. Besides the one I already named. I forgot already. And falling isn't one of them. I don't know why. It's just those conversions with a lady.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Lower respiratory infection, 2.5 million a year.

Cristina: That's a big number.

Jack: Yeah, That's a big number.

Cristina: Am I supposed to guess that?

Jack: No. No way you're gonna guess any of those. I was just hoping you'd guess something.

Cristina: Okay. Lung cancer.

Jack: Is that part of this is basically a version of lung cancer. Digestive disease. Somehow that's a f****** thing way up there. That's crazy as h*** that this is Number four.

Cristina: So. So it makes sense. It's something in your body shutting down is gonna kill you.

Jack: Yeah. Digestive disease at 2.5 as well.

Cristina: 2.5 million.

Jack: Number three, respiratory disease. Another breathing problem.

Cristina: Okay, shutting down.

Jack: 4 million.

Cristina: A lot of these are okay.

Jack: Yeah. If an organ shuts down, you're f*****.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, what can you do?

Jack: Cancer.

Cristina: That's number one. That's number two.

Jack: And number two.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What beats cancer? Because you get cancer everywhere. Wait, cancer's at 10 million.

Jack: Cancer's at 10 million.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: It's still such an insignificant number out of 8 million people. And probably the number of people with cancer.

Cristina: That's a lot of cancer. I don't know.

Jack: I bet the number of people with cancer is astounding. And dying of cancer is rare. I bet you're not likely to die of cancer if you have cancer. We're gonna find out. Okay, now, the most obvious way to die. Now, you've concluded what the worst and easiest ways to die are. Right. So what's the pattern? We just found out. You will definitely die if your body fails you. If an organ fails, yes. So what's number one?

Cristina: Let's see.

Jack: It's the most logical.

Cristina: Your brain, your heart. Your heart.

Jack: I feel like your brain was cardiovascular disease. Your heart. Dementia is your brain. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: At 20 million a year.

Cristina: 20 million.

Jack: That's the most deadly thing in the world. Heart disease.

Cristina: Well, I don't think. Still cancer, but, like. Whoa. Okay, so it's your heart, then it's cancer, which is just anywhere. It's like. It's whatever.

Jack: It's just random. It's just random, and it's still not keeping up with the most obvious. Like, you can live with that. You can't live with your heart just stopping. That's just something completely impossible. There's nothing you could do about your heart stopping. You're just dead.

Cristina: You're just dead. Yeah. I guess even with your brain, you can probably try to slow it down or something with your heart.

Jack: Your heart's just dead.

Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's it.

Jack: Your brain, even. No, there's some tangled mess happening with your heart and your brain, because if you destroy the brain, the heart stops beating.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: Yeah, because the brain has the information that regulates how to beat the heart. Without the brain, it would work.

Cristina: Yeah. That's why they're dying.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. What?

Jack: Mm. In Taurus.

Cristina: But you think people. There's more people with cancer than there is people dying of cancer. Like, the Numbers is huge.

Jack: I do in fact believe that I.

Cristina: Found that in 2019 there was 23.6 million new cases of cancer.

Jack: 23 million new cases of cancer.

Cristina: Yes. Not including whatever was the number for old cases.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: And 10 million cancer deaths globally, at least this list says. Which is half of those people dying. But it's not those people.

Jack: That's exactly. Exactly.

Cristina: Whatever.

Jack: The whole number is half of the whole. So the problem is we don't know what the total of people with cancer. But if we assume this average and people live an average of about 80 years, if we consider the earth, then we would assume about 20 million people. About. Yeah, about 20 million people every year. Every year. Counting backwards 80 times. That's hardcore.

Cristina: It's a lot of cancer.

Jack: It's a lot of cancer. The number would get smaller as we get further back because there were less people 80 years ago, but it wouldn't get smaller by a significant portion. We would assume that by the time it's 20. The 2000s. By the time it's the 2000s, on average, that maybe about half of that in people are getting cancer and that maybe by the. By the 80s, about 5 million people are getting cancer annually. So collectively, it's an exaggerated number of people with cancer who aren't dying anyways. It's a huge number of people. Okay. As I was saying that I was looking it up and. Well, well, d***. So let's review. Specifically, in the year 2019, there was 7.7 billion people. Right. We know that 1.3% of people get cancer. Useful information. So we just run that average and we get about 100 million cancer patients that exists in the world at any given moment. That is a lot of people with cancer. The issue comes down to the fact that we already know that there's 10 million deaths, because that means that if you get cancer, there's a 1 in 10 chance you're gonna die.

Cristina: Is it just 1 in 10? I feel like it's probably higher than that.

Jack: No, it's 1 in 10. 10 million is one tenth of a hundred million. There's a hundred million people with cancer, but there's 10 million people dying with cancer. That's all for the year 2019.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: There were a hundred million people with cancer in 2019, and 10 million of them died. That includes new diagnosis and old people who's had it for a while died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: On average, you have 1 in 10, regardless of where you land on that list.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: God d***.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: God d***. That's an exaggerated amount of deaths.

Cristina: Well, Cancer is a killer. Wait, it was the number one thing, right?

Jack: So cancer wasn't the number.

Cristina: Oh, it wasn't? How is it not?

Jack: No heart disease then?

Cristina: What is the number for that? If it's 1 in 10 for cancer, what is heart disease?

Jack: Heart disease has 20 million people a year.

Cristina: Yeah, but like, is it killing everyone who gets heart disease? It automatically dies from it? Like, is there a.

Jack: What's the percentage of people with cardiovascular disease.

Cristina: Yeah. That die?

Jack: Well, people with any form of cardiovascular disease, that's about 500 million people existing in 2019 who had that. So that's a pretty common thing to have, all things considered. That means that like, on average, 1/14 of the population has heart disease.

Cristina: Oh, yeah.

Jack: Well, somebody's gonna have heart disease at some point in their life.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like it's gonna happen.

Cristina: That's how people die.

Jack: Okay, now that doesn't mean anything. No, that's not how people die. People, people are just going to have heart disease and some people are going to die from heart disease. They're just going to have heart disease because 20 million people are dying of heart disease a year. But 500 million people had heart disease in that same year where 20 people. Million died of heart disease. That's 4%.

Cristina: That's 4%.

Jack: You have a 96% chance that you'll be absolutely fine if you have cancer.

Cristina: 91. If you have cancer.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, heart problems if you have heart disease. My bad. If you have heart disease, you have a 96% chance that you'll be fine. If you have cancer though, there is a 90% chance you'll be fine.

Cristina: Okay. But these are what's killing people.

Jack: Yeah. So for a better reference point, about 1 out of 20 will die of a heart attack related thing, but 1 out of 10 will die of cancer.

Cristina: I thought the heart attack was more likely.

Jack: No, no. The heart attack is 4%.

Cristina: 4%. Okay.

Jack: The cancer is 10%.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There are just less people with cancer than there are people.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. And as a result, in the course of a year, more people die. Hard problems.

Cristina: Because there's so much more people.

Jack: Because there's so much more. But it's such a small percent of people with heart problems that are dying.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Yes.

Jack: So 4% if you have a heart problem, but 10% if you have cancer, you're less likely to get cancer, but more f***** if you get it.

Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay. Okay. So that's kind of. Then that's really the worst, isn't it?

Jack: Yeah, but those Are ways to die that ultimately take away the creating fear and creating some sort of continuous way of generating something. While. While all these diseases kind of. Not this. I guess a lot of them are diseases, but, like, while all these weight all these sources of death, you can't scare somebody with them. You can try, like, people try to scare people about cancer, and people try to scare people about heart disease and stuff, but. But it doesn't hit the same as impending current doom. That's more horrifying. A cloud of darkness is way more effective than a potential future. So when Covid came through. Oh, my God. It's right there. It's right there. It's happening now very different. That creates fear. I don't think these wildfires are one. I think all the fires are controlled. I think what we've. The videos I've seen are of controlled fires. I think that the wildfires that are happening are unrelated. I think all the videos are in areas probably around the same time because they know that the fires are going to come along this path. So they preemptively burn this small area, Controlling it so it doesn't spread out, Preventing the wildfire from crossing the distance that they've already gotten rid of. You can soak two sides of the forest leading straight down a large path and then burn the middle part, Making sure that the gap is wide enough for it to not cross. And now you've cleared path for a wildfire to not cross.

Cristina: What's the point?

Jack: To prevent the wildfire from crossing?

Cristina: No, but why? What's the point of making such a.

Jack: Big fire to prevent the wildfire from crossing. You set a big fire, you kill what's in the place, and then when a wildfire comes through, there's nothing there to burn.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That would be the point. You stop if there's. Okay, I need to give you a visual here. If there is a house to your.

Cristina: Left, a forest, isn't there a safer way to do it? Because aren't you, like, hurting people by doing it that way and just setting things on fire?

Jack: That is literally just how it's done. I don't. I'm not a fire person. I have nothing to do with the fire department or how people.

Cristina: That plan doesn't make sense.

Jack: It makes total sense. It gets rid of a lot quickly. You could take your time and knock down one tree at a time, but you need to clear several miles of something. It's doubtful.

Cristina: I don't know how that's safe. That doesn't make sense.

Jack: I don't Know it's done safely. Ask them. They know. But the point being that the. There's two kinds of those. They're called controlled and prescribed. And they serve different purposes. A prescribed fire is a fire that's done in a region where the ecosystem survives off of regular fires. There are some ecosystems that require forest fires. And because of how we live in the conditions, some places don't get forest fires, they should have forest fires. Or we've drastically changed the earth's climate in such a way that places that used to get forest fires no longer get forest fires. And so we do. Prescribed forest fires will go and cause forest fires in a controlled thing in the right environment, right temperature, right weather, that would replicate whatever necessities they have in that ecosystem to survive. Yeah. And then the other is controlled. And a controlled fire is when you burn an area so that future wildfires or a present wildfire some miles away headed your direction can't cross the threshold. So you first condition the side you don't want it to cross through so that the fire can't spread out that way. So you usually create a line and make the two other sides protected with some fire resistant material.

Cristina: But you're saying the thing that's happening.

Jack: Right now is that thinking that the videos we've seen that are dated around the same time that these current wildfires are happening and moments before them are really people intentionally doing a controlled fire so that they're controlling where that forest fire is going to go, or at least where it won't go. There's a city over there about 10 miles into this forest. We're gonna burn like 700ft distance in that direction. Just one line did that forest fire, when it reaches, it's already dead. It has nothing to burn and cross the distance.

Cristina: Well, smoke is entering the cities.

Jack: Why you would. Odd. This is what I mean by they're doing it in the proper weather conditions. They're doing it in their proper time. They're obviously calculating wind. They have to, they have to preemptively do that. So if it's happening at these moments or not, just hey, we're gonna set a fire and toxify over there. That's not how it works. They have to, it has to be done safely. Which means they calculated the wind and no, it wasn't gonna blow into any nearby civilizations and toxify people. That had to be part of the plan. It would be illegal otherwise. So it makes sense that they did start the fire that we see in the video and they already knew because they chose the time to do it at the location that was most beneficial for it to not affect the people. That has to be the way it happened.

Cristina: So then that's unrelated to the smoke that's happening.

Jack: No, because we're not getting hit by the smoke that we see in the. We're not getting hit by the smoke from the fires that happen in the video.

Cristina: What are we getting hit by?

Jack: The wildfires.

Cristina: But you're saying that's.

Jack: No, I'm saying listen carefully. It's a listening game. Now, the wildfires have nothing to do with the fires in the. I mean, they have everything to do with fires in the video. But the one didn't cause the other, or I guess, technically it did. Wildfire happened. It's 10 miles south of you. You're in the north. Your. Your whole city's in the north. There's woods, forest. There's a giant forest between you right now and that forest fire in the south. You decide to then make a line somewhere down the middle of the forest and burn it down. And not your side or that side of the forest, just a line down the middle that'll prevent that fire from crossing that smoke from the fire you did. That isn't what we're receiving over here in the East Coast. There's still a forest fire. You're avoiding. That's what's hitting us. The forest fire that was always on the way. The controlled fires to protect an unrelated city. And we're not hit by that smoke. That was a small fire. While the forest fire that's headed towards that city is such a colossal monster that the smoke is collected into a sphere of infinity that covered all of the east coast and seems to be migrating with the ducks or something. That's the case of what's happening. We're not being hit by the controlled fires.

Cristina: That would be wrong. What's the point of mentioning the control file? What does the control fire have to do with anything?

Jack: I guess because there were. There was a conspiracy we were talking about at the beginning of this video. And then these videos that are shown with timestamps are people claiming this is what's happening. Look at these people in a plane starting a fire. This is how the wildfire fires began. People. It has to be. And those are people using those videos to support the conspiracy theory. But that's not. That's just likely a controlled fire because there's already a wildfire.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Now, the video is time stamped in the current dates. It's a recent video. The point of the time stamp that.

Cristina: They turned on that feature, that it's not a conspiracy.

Jack: I'm saying that I don't think that video is part of the conspiracy because there's still a conspiracy as to where the f*** this forest fire came from if it wasn't just a natural occurrence, which we haven't gotten to the bottom of because we basically killed this episode solving cancer. But yes, essentially we've run out of time, and I guess in the future we would have to find out the answers to these questions, but it gives us something to dive into later. Anyhow, the resolution to here is at least the videos that are online of people claiming that there are forest fires are most likely just controlled fires, and that the most deadly thing in the world is actually cancer, but it's not the thing killing the most people annually. That's really heart disease, but there's just a lot of people with heart disease. The deadliest thing, as far as we know is cancer.

Cristina: Yes, that's the conclusion.

Jack: Yeah, that's the conclusion here. So I hope you guys learned a bunch of things about how to die and whether or not the forest fire is a conspiracy, although we don't really.

Cristina: Know the answer to that at all.

Jack: We did not solve that at all. Anyhow, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode and you can let us know any things you want to let us know on our socials. That's just Convopod everywhere. Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook.

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Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.

June 03, 2023

Rambling 228: The Wheel of Fame 2

June 03, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

The duo continues ranking celebrities from all walks of life in an attempt to better understand who are the most famous people on Earth and why.

Topics Discussed:

Describing Fame
Global Fame
Local Fame
Tier List
Wheel of Fame
Random Survey Fact
Top Ranking

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas and spin. Specifically, the idea we're discussing today is a continuation of an idea we were discussing last week, which was a continuation of a conversation that happened the previous week, which is we're discussing not celebrities based on how successful they are or what they've done or if, like, they're good people or anything, just purely ranking them on a tier list based on.

Cristina: How well they're known.

Jack: How well they are known?

Cristina: I think so, yes.

Jack: And do we have the previous. So we can just run down where we were last week and where we are? I guess we would proceed from there to expand with everybody we couldn't get to because there was a lot of people from both of our individual lists. So we're gonna go first, I guess scroll down and we're gonna start down here. And the D tier celebrities, these are usually local celebrities or celebrities known only through a niche group. So people know them because of a specific thing they do or a region they live in or something along those lines. Britney Spears was directed at very teenage girls. Jay Z is very black culture. Beyonce is very women empowerment. These very specific ideas, these are broad people who are known sometimes even globally, but they're still known by specific. Like, you find somebody who. Who has no idea who Beyonce is. That's easy. You find somebody who doesn't know who Beyonce is. There's a bunch of really, really young people and really, really elder people who have no clue who she is. Mel Gibson is the same idea with the younger crowd. Alex Gray is not very specific. You have to, like, psychedelic art at the end. Tiger woods by people who love news scandals. Or golf. Golf. And Machine Gun Kelly by anybody who listens to Eminem, which isn't even. Like, they don't even really know him beyond the battle, a lot of these people. And by people in his, like, hometown or where he lives locally or whatever. And that's all just D tier.

Cristina: And there's the C. Yeah.

Jack: So far in C tier, we have Oprah Winfrey, Samuel L. Jackson, Johnny Depp, and Michael Jordan. This tier, on average, seems to be people who are known within a country very, very, very well.

Cristina: But outside of it.

Jack: Outside of it, very little. Yeah, maybe pockets here and there, but not too much. But then in B tier, we have people who are known by many different people around the world. Yes, but niche in the way that the D tier was for regions or for the craft that the individual does. So that's the same idea, but at a bigger scale. Globally instead of within just a small area is a person who's known globally in mass, but only by people specifically into this thing. But all those people. Like there's a lot of people specifically into that thing. And that includes Hideo Kojima, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Stephen king, Steve Jobs, J.K. rowling, J.R.R. tolkien, Stephen Hawking, Vincent Van Gogh, Michelangelo, Jackie Chan, Will Smith, Greta Thunberg, Edgar Allan Poe, Snoop Dogg, Dave Chappelle, Banksy, Bill Gates, Alan Watts.

Cristina: Why is Jackie Chan so low, though? Remind me of the. Of A and B.

Jack: So I guess the real beginning is at S. When you started S. You're known almost by everybody on planet Earth, regardless of what position you land on. Also got statistics. Iran surveys across people I know to add information.

Cristina: Yes. What.

Jack: But we'll get to it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But the.

Cristina: A tier, B tier, C tier.

Jack: The S tier is global recognition almost by everyone. Then A tier is global recognition, but by majority. So just like over most people on Earth know who you are.

Cristina: And you don't think Jackie Chan fits that?

Jack: I don't think Jackie Chan fits that. I think Jackie Chan is probably really, really huge in the United States and really, really huge in China. I don't. He's huge in like India, maybe, or huge in like Russia.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know, but like Russians still know who the queen is.

Cristina: That would be impossible.

Jack: You know, like this. That's the. The types of leaps and bounds that are happening because at this high end is crazy. Because then B is known really well in certain locations and then around the world, some. But more than one location. Like several countries. Like Jackie Chan. Two, three, four countries. Yeah, exactly. Huge in certain locations and then unknown entirely in other places. Unlike S tier, where people just kind of know you anywhere. Your job is to be known, essentially, if you're S tier. So moving up to A tier, we have bts, the band, which is astounding because they're so mega huge across the world. There's still a bunch of people who don't know who they are, but we're talking like maybe upwards of 51% of the Earth's population.

Cristina: Like, you've probably heard of them. Even if you never heard them, You've.

Jack: Probably heard of them and know what they do without any other information. Yeah, like for a fact. You know, and. Right. This is one of the rules of what we're discussing. It's about how much. How well known you are at all. So we're talking the magnitude of everyone knows exactly who you are to that same person. Having some trickled people who barely know but still have heard the name or know what you look like. Roughly.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's all still part of the theme. That's you still having reached.

Cristina: Then we have what?

Jack: Leonardo da Vinci and Michael Jackson. Huge colossal entities known globally.

Cristina: How do we know Michael Jackson was known globally?

Jack: Michael Jackson was imitated in every country.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then finally the names that cannot be avoided. It seems that everyone on earth knows who these people are. Hitler, Barack Obama, Pope Francis, Albert Einstein, Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin.

Cristina: Interest. Mostly politicians.

Jack: There's a lot of leaders in there.

Cristina: And just one scientist and one religious dude. The rest are politicians.

Jack: Yes. One scientist and one religious dude. Yeah, I guess so. Everybody else is a politician, including Hitler.

Cristina: Yeah. He's just made to seem like some kind of other thing. Other thing? Like some weird super villain.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, let's be real. I know, but he was literally a super villain.

Cristina: Yes, but what he really, really was was a human. Was a politician. Yeah. His job.

Jack: Oh yeah. His job was just how you do politics.

Cristina: Yeah. Like Vladimir Putin.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They're into politics, man.

Jack: Politics.

Cristina: They're just controlling.

Jack: Politics leads to war. That's what we've learned. Politics lead to war. Anyways, we have compose this big list that we have so far out of both mine and your list that we made separately. And we're just running down the names on both of our lists and this is as far as we've gotten. So we're gonna actually continue ranking the remaining names that we have and.

Cristina: Are you ready?

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Is it gonna be Eminem?

Jack: Eminem. I think Eminem is like a B.

Cristina: Like a B. Like a B.

Jack: Right. I think he's really well known the United States and maybe some select countries here and there, but also not by everybody in those places. There's a s*** ton of people who don't listen to Eminem. There's a crazy. He has. He has the largest fan base, but it doesn't mean anything in the world of music where, you know, like elder people may not know who the h*** you are. Really young kids have no idea who you are.

Cristina: We don't think he belongs in the sea. What's. Because they're both very similar.

Jack: No, because sea is just one country.

Cristina: But with some like a little bit everywhere though.

Jack: Yeah. Very small amounts. I think Eminem is huge in select Countries, but in a niche kind of way. Not by everybody in those countries. So all of the people from this age to that age who were into this kind of culture in mainly Western countries like that checks out.

Cristina: I wish I knew.

Jack: Right, that makes sense.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That would be my argument. And I would say that he is B because of that he is B. It's probably huge in Australia.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You know.

Cristina: Yeah. I wish he was an A or C just to move people there. But whatever. He is B.

Jack: There's a lot of B going on because they're B in different ways.

Cristina: Very different ways.

Jack: Yeah. That's the biggest problem they're all about is famous.

Cristina: Next up is Shigeru. He was on my list. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay. This is complicated because people kind of just know what he does. We know who he is and gamers on average will at least have heard of him. But he isn't the most known human. Weirdly enough. I actually think Hideo Kojima is more well known than Miyamoto Moto's kind of only known among gamers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Think about it. Kojima is a mega celebrity to your favorite. To Earth's favorite directors.

Cristina: But I feel like the average person has. Is more likely to play. Have played one of his games over.

Jack: Yes. But they don't know who Kojima is. He has no fame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's the argument.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah, he has no fame. It doesn't matter.

Cristina: Crap. He's a C. He's pretty low.

Jack: Yeah. He's known very huge in his country.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: No, he's like a B.

Cristina: Like a B.

Jack: He's known really big in his country. Really big in gaming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: And really big in. I guess the United States is pretty huge. But no, not in any kind of. No. No, I guess not. So I guess really it is just one country and a little elsewhere. You are right. He is a C because he's a super mega hero.

Cristina: In Japan he is a hero.

Jack: A hero. And in gaming.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: He's a huge influential figure. The creator of Nintendo.

Cristina: But he's been downgraded.

Jack: No, he's still the creator of Nintendo. Time doesn't go backwards.

Cristina: No, I mean in letters.

Jack: Oh.

Cristina: We play from Beats.

Jack: Oh yeah. Next up is the Queen or Queen Elizabeth ii. Well, that's an obvious one, I think. Yeah. I think if we were to like really focus on this list afterwards and I want to focus on this S tier later.

Cristina: I'll put them in order.

Jack: Not just order. Yes. Oh, God. I didn't think about that. We're definitely gonna do that we're. Put them in order. And also I want to see if it's possible that there's an S for people who are kind of too well known. And I do believe that the Queen and the Pope fall in there and probably Hitler and then the rest of these people might have some more leeway, but they don't. I don't think they fall in S. So if anything, these are the people on top of S. Yeah.

Cristina: The Pope, Queen, and Hitler. I guess so.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So Queen Elizabeth in S tier, we agree.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. Of course.

Jack: Actually have some facts about specifically that. What the Queen and some other interesting figures.

Cristina: Okay. Next up is.

Jack: Leonardo DiCaprio. I think probably just the United States.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: And like, probably not even around the world like that.

Cristina: So you're thinking D or.

Jack: Yeah, I'm thinking C. C, yes.

Cristina: It feels right.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I think C. That makes sense. Yeah.

Jack: C works for me.

Cristina: Taylor Swift.

Jack: Taylor Swift. Do you have Taylor Swift on your list?

Cristina: Probably, because she's well known.

Jack: But is she? That's my question. Is she, like, global?

Cristina: I'm not sure if she's. I know people because of country over her.

Jack: Yeah, it's real American.

Cristina: But. But all her ticket sales are out, I think, like, globally they're out. Like, people can't buy her tickets. They can't see her because everyone's fighting to see her.

Jack: Yeah, but it's that effect of you're known probably within our country and your niche thing.

Cristina: Anything. Other countries are just doing it because.

Jack: No, I think other countries are doing it. Not the. She's not known in those countries. Like, if you went to China and entered a random five households and you just asked any random adult in the household who Taylor Swift is, do they know?

Cristina: They.

Jack: Probably not. That's an easy test on how well known she is. Like, she's not known around the world. She's known amongst teenage girls who like her music a lot.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in the United States because we toss her name around a lot.

Cristina: Okay, that's very D. Okay, she's D.

Jack: Unless you got a better argument. I'm not trying to. No, I don't think she's steamroll you. Plato.

Cristina: How do you spell Plato?

Jack: Plato. You spell Plato the same way you spell Plato. Okay, so his name is plate.

Cristina: So then he's very famous. His name is super Recog him. Huh? Okay, his name doesn't count.

Jack: They don't think of him when they say his name. You know.

Cristina: That would be. So. Okay, that doesn't count.

Jack: But Plato. That's an interesting One, I don't know if this European philosophic development era of the period, whatever the era of enlightenment is it called, that that influenced too much of Eastern culture. I think it was a very Western thing that was happening there. So my question is then, even if this is a huge number of people, it's taught in many schools. Is A. Primarily.

Cristina: I was gonna say he's taught in.

Jack: School or Western countries and so it's known among there. So it's probably an A, right? Like, I definitely think he's more of an A, I think well known in many countries, but not every country. In fact, there's some countries who've never heard of this guy. And it's a huge number of them, but like really, really, really well known in Western society.

Cristina: So B, I think A, A, So A. Yeah, I think A, I don't.

Jack: Think he's like, he's known globally, but there's also huge pockets of places where he's not known.

Cristina: Interesting. Yeah. If he's known by like half the world.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. You know, like, it gets exaggerated.

Cristina: Yeah. It's not the whole world, but it's close enough. Closer than a lot of people in this list is going to get to.

Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. It should be thinned out towards the top. Definitely. William Shakespeare. Here's an interesting one because then our question should be how do we perceive William Shakespeare? Do we perceive him to be a global figure or we. Do we perceive him to be another Western culture idol? Right?

Cristina: Yes, I think so. I think Western culture item you said.

Jack: I think that would make him an A. But then my question is, does the east teach about William Shakespeare?

Cristina: Right.

Jack: That's interesting.

Cristina: Not this, like, even if they know, they probably. It's probably not the same. They probably don't have classes of just his books.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Crazy.

Jack: They have their own history that they're teaching in the same way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So fair enough. We're talking that this man is another global. But not everyone.

Cristina: Yes. Abe, baby.

Jack: Yes. That's not everyone. Everyone. Which is definitely where S lands. Nice. Making some progress in here. I can't wait to disclose the dope information.

Cristina: You can cut this list short.

Jack: If he wants to talk about Muhammad Ali.

Cristina: Yeah, he's pretty famous.

Jack: Was he global? I think it was.

Cristina: I think at the time he was.

Jack: It could have been because every country has like their big prized boxer guy or at least at that time they would go at it.

Cristina: So I think. But if we're talking about currently, does that matter?

Jack: Doesn't necessarily have to be. Yeah. We know his name and at his time. Where did he land? Because that's where the history will continue to roll forward from.

Cristina: From.

Jack: And I believe that perhaps he was in a situation where he was in fact known globally as a household name. Even if people did not know. You heard of Muhammad Ali? Everybody's heard of Muhammad Ali.

Cristina: So you think he's a. I think he's a. I like that. I think so.

Jack: I think. Yeah. I think he's. His name is ginormous. It's absolutely bonkers. Start using that. Bonkers. Salvador Dali. I think that's like Alex Gray. It's down there.

Cristina: Yeah. I was going to say yes. I wish more people knew his name.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, I do too. But it's. It's not. It's not one of those situations.

Cristina: So he is. Oh, he is D tier then.

Jack: Yeah. Because he's kind of real specifically known.

Cristina: In the art world.

Jack: Like a lot. Yeah. A lot of people have no idea who Sarbal. That Italy is.

Cristina: They do not know we're in the art history world. You would know him, I guess.

Jack: Pablo Picasso, another painter. Yes. Probably the second most famous painter. Well, the most famous painter that doesn't have the most famous painting because da Vinci made DaVinci. Leonardo da Vinci. Yeah. He's up here because he made the Mona Lisa.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah. What did Pablo do?

Jack: He just made weird abstract figure art.

Cristina: I feel like he goes with Salvador Dali.

Jack: Yeah, he's. I know. I think he's way more known than Salvador Dali. He. This is a force in art.

Cristina: Of course. He changed the art world.

Jack: He changed the art world and perception of it. He's definitely like a C. A C? I think a C. He might even be. I think he's. Yeah, I think he's a B.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think he's well known around the world in pockets, but I think it's global.

Cristina: Pockets, but it's global. I'm thinking about it. Does he send Salvador Dali?

Jack: Salvador Dali is way less known than Picasso. Way less known.

Cristina: Okay. I'm gonna put him in B.

Jack: You don't agree? You think C?

Cristina: No, I just. He does feel like he should be higher than some.

Jack: Yeah. Because it's fame, not quality. Quality would put Dali over Picasso for me. Darren Brown. I think this is almost an unheard of human.

Cristina: Yes. Who is he? Is he a magician?

Jack: No, he's a hypnotist.

Cristina: Yes, close enough. I know his name, but. No, I don't know him. I know him. I've seen stuff. But he's D. Like, for sure.

Jack: Yeah. Darren Brown in D class. Darren Brown in D. In the D.

Cristina: Almost done here.

Jack: Mark Zuckerberg.

Cristina: He is well known in America.

Jack: I think he's well known in America. I don't know how well known he is everywhere else.

Cristina: The world knows about his product, though.

Jack: Yeah. They don't know about him.

Cristina: No. Is he a C?

Jack: I think that would make him a C. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. Because he's very well known here.

Jack: Yes. But I think kind of only here.

Cristina: Right. Is it very similar.

Jack: Elon Musk. I think globally. I think Elon Musk is globally well known. I do not think S class. I think A.

Cristina: A class. A class. B class.

Jack: Yeah. Because there's people who might not know his name or who he is, but I think it's like, like every other person knows who Elon Musk is, at least by name. Yeah.

Cristina: And might not be sure what he does because he does so many things. They might have heard at least one of the things.

Jack: One of the things. Everybody might know him for a different reason.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But everybody has no knows of him, basically. And I think that makes him an.

Cristina: A. I think that makes him an A too. Tony, the most famous skateboarder.

Jack: Yeah. A D class.

Cristina: A D class.

Jack: Yeah. I think he's known in. Throughout the entire country. Maybe even a C class. I think he might be. Because skaters around the world, skating is huge.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And the skaters definitely know about him.

Cristina: So people who don't know about anything about skating or skaters know his name, at least in America. I don't know the world, but.

Jack: Yeah. So people who are unrelated still know his name.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then skaters outside. So he's definitely, at bare minimum a C class. D.C.

Cristina: I think he's.

Jack: No, he's a B. Known in the country and throughout the world in small pockets.

Cristina: In small pockets. Okay. Yeah. I don't think.

Jack: Yeah. Wow.

Cristina: Do you love him? Is he your favorite?

Jack: I don't mind. Tony Hawk, he's fine. But now we're running out of names here. Fascinating. And then we will, you know, throw our own out there. Serena Williams. I don't think a lot of people know who she is. She's kind of. Okay. Known in this country and by people who watch tennis and by people who watch Senna's.

Cristina: That is A.

Jack: And I suppose in the countries where people love tennis, she might be well known throughout those countries, even if they don't like tennis.

Cristina: How high is tennis from other sports also like low.

Jack: Low, low.

Cristina: Okay. Because like, if she was a soccer player, I guess if she was a Male soccer player.

Jack: Global wouldn't be small pockets. Global would be.

Cristina: Man. Okay, that's some. After the list, I guess we'll come up with a soccer player that needs to be on this list, though, because obviously.

Jack: Obviously messy.

Cristina: Okay. Messy. Do you want to put him on the list? No, let's first do her.

Jack: Got you. Before she goes, Serena Williams, I think C class. She's known with in the country very well.

Cristina: She's a celebrity. William.

Jack: Sister.

Cristina: Famous. But now we brought up someone that's not on the chart. He deserves to be here somewhere. Messi.

Jack: I think Messi is an A class celebrity.

Cristina: A class.

Jack: I think his fame is a. What do you think?

Cristina: I think. Because I know soccer is a huge deal.

Jack: Yeah. And he is huge in soccer, and.

Cristina: He'S a huge deal in soccer. Huge.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I think Kim Kardashian. So just put her in the D's.

Jack: Well, I don't know. I don't know how famous she is.

Cristina: You know her name?

Jack: I know her name.

Cristina: How many people you think don't know her name?

Jack: I think everybody in the United States knows her name. C. And maybe some people in other countries of the western culture.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. I think so, too. Yes.

Jack: Which I guess would move her up to ab. There's a lot of bees.

Cristina: There is a lot of bees. Shocking.

Jack: Yeah. Because it's the. The. There has to be an area that's gonna have most people in it. And then there's lower levels and higher levels that are thinner in people representing that. Todd Howard. Definitely, definitely a D. He is only specifically known by gamers and only specific.

Cristina: Gamers and hated by spec gamers. I mean, even gamers who don't know what happened know he's hated a bit.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I think they know that stuff. Oh, my gosh. This wheel.

Jack: Lewis Hamilton.

Cristina: Pig minds. He is, I feel like, globally or maybe just people who are into the sport.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And the sport goes around the world, so.

Jack: Well, this is an interesting point. I know a lot of people who know Lewis Hamilton's name and have no idea what he's ever done. It happens all the time. I say I like F1 and I hear Lewis Hamilton. Right. It's the only name they know.

Cristina: Exactly. And like, in certain countries, they're huge fans of his.

Jack: Yeah, no, he's an eight. He's eight here, dude. He's just casually known.

Cristina: He is. I bet he is. That's why I picked him. Like, come on. Yeah.

Jack: He's the Messi of F1.

Cristina: F1. Yeah. And I guess we don't have to spin the wheel for the last one, but I'm gonna do it anyway.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Why? How dare you spoil it again?

Jack: So many niche people. Yes, he's very niche. Only by gamers. Specific gamers.

Cristina: I know. I picked that up. Wait, did I pick a lot of game guys? Did you pick some? I have no idea.

Jack: No, I don't think I picked a single one.

Cristina: Oh, and he belongs then. Indeed.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You think his show didn't help at all?

Jack: Still have no idea who that man is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And I. I'm pretty sure they'll continue to not know who that man is.

Cristina: That is that list.

Jack: Yes. So additional names, famous people. So I'll give you my facts, and if you think of people throughout the process, we'll add them to our tier list.

Cristina: Your facts bring up other people or something.

Jack: There's two things I want to do. I want to. First. I guess not. First we're going to choose which one of these things to do. I can talk about the data I mined, or we can rank S tier numerically.

Cristina: The S tier has to be saved.

Jack: For last to rank it numerically.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Fair enough. Okay.

Cristina: People might pop up for it.

Jack: Oh, I see. I somehow doubt that, but yes, I see what you mean. Okay. So interesting facts that I was discovering while talking about some of these people. I've asked about 13, 14 different countries, individuals, people I know from different countries about some of the people on this list.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: And a pattern emerged immediately. So, first of all, everyone knows if you say Queen Elizabeth.

Cristina: Okay. So she deserves to be an S. Yes.

Jack: They just know who that is. Yeah. You didn't have to say Elizabeth. As you say Elizabeth ii, specifically. That way, if you say Elizabeth ii, I did not say Queen Elizabeth. If you say Elizabeth ii, they know who that is.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They know that is a Queen of England. And if you ask who is the Queen of England, Most people for. Actually, no. The question is, who leads England? Almost everybody responds with the Queen. They know of the Queen, even if they don't even know her f****** name, though she's not leading England when she was leading. They know that this is how much she's known. This is they. Even after death, she's no longer being discussed.

Cristina: She's still.

Jack: They still know. Don't. Don't always know about the Queen.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There's one country that did not land in this. And I focus on this country continuing to ask this and other questions every time this pattern arose. And the. This is the United States. They have no idea. They have no idea. If you say Elizabeth ii. So many people have no idea. And if you say, if you ask who's the queen? Some people have an idea who's the leader. So many people have no idea. In fact, they actually think. Americans think there, there's always been a king. What a lot of them do.

Cristina: Do we have to draw for then?

Jack: No, no, no. It's just in the United States, that's okay. Only in this country, only the people who I asked, who are born and raised here, clue of the existence of the Queen. But somehow even seeing her in the news whooshes right over their head.

Cristina: But she's not as known as I thought.

Jack: No, she is.

Cristina: She is to everyone except in the United States.

Jack: It's just specifically under educated people in the United States. That's all it really is. But even undereducated people in other countries are so like, yeah, we know. That's all it is. It's not that she's not crazy. Known as the United States seems to be quite handicapped.

Cristina: Did you ask them about random other people just to see if they knew?

Jack: Yes. And most things stayed very consistent. That seemed to be the biggest discrepancy that like they. There's just this lady never existed in their reality. Americans don't believe in the Queen. It never happened in their universe. They've never heard of this. This is an afterthought. Well, but for Barack Obama and Donald Trump, kind of known globally. Anybody asked knows exactly who they are. Vladimir Putin, everybody knew exactly who that was. Albert Einstein, everybody knew exactly who that was.

Cristina: I wasn't sure about him, but yeah.

Jack: Pope Francis, everybody knew who that was. Actually, most of them, most of my personal contacts don't even believe in religion. And when asked, who is the Pope, most of them can name Francis. Okay, that's interesting. I did not. I don't know how they just like his name is more famous than the queens.

Cristina: That's crazy.

Jack: Yes, at least in. Well, again, this is just in the United States.

Cristina: Yes, but people from another country that happen to be in the United States. Are you asking people?

Jack: No, I'm asking people I know from around the world.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And everybody seems to know who the Queen is. Everybody seems to know who poop is. Just the Americans don't believe in the Queen and only a few of them.

Cristina: Okay, but those Americans know the Pope.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. Then I, unrelated to any of this, got sucked into a rabbit hole of asking more questions to a lot of these same friends of mine, some of which were very basic questions that I was curious about because I've seen YouTube videos about this.

Cristina: What?

Jack: And so I asked all of these questions. Please don't Google. Just answer with what you know.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And first one is how many states there are in your country. And a lot of the time, it looks like those videos are bullshit and, like, you know, they're specifically plucking random dumb people. It's kind of shocking how many people within the United States have no idea how many states there are.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: I swear, it is weird how. I don't know how this. Like, you must have really not been paying attention to the most basic lessons in school.

Cristina: Were they kidding, dude?

Jack: No. I asked straight questions, and we were like, give me honest answers. Like, this is a real moment. And, like, consistently, I got 48. But it's like, how do you. Like, you had to subtract from 50 to get there, bro. I don't understand. You had to because you were never taught 48.

Cristina: That are connected. Yeah, but that.

Jack: That doesn't change the fact that they must have heard 51st in order to subtract 2.

Cristina: I know. I don't know. It's so weird. It's weird.

Jack: Yeah, it's very strange.

Cristina: No one said 51.

Jack: Yes, I heard 51 as well. I heard 51. People believe Puerto Rico is already a state. Of course, Anyone who said 51, I asked that question too, and they said Puerto Rico. Every single one of them.

Cristina: But do you know anyone that went higher or lower than those two numbers?

Jack: It was exactly 51 and 48 that I heard. And out of about 13 or 14 people, I'm not really sure the exact number, about half of them were giving these answers, and the other half knew.

Cristina: And it's like, whoa, which half were the Americans?

Jack: I focus entirely on the Americans for these people.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Because I thought for the queen, though, you were asking.

Jack: I was asking a bunch of different people from different countries. There were about 13 or 14 different countries, but many people from all these countries.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I just happen to know people within different groups.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And then I asked, okay, I know six or seven Koreans. Let me ask all these Koreans in question. And I know two Japanese people. Let me ask them the same question. And I know people from England. Let me ask them the same question.

Cristina: You ask them about how many states are in America?

Jack: No, only the Americans got asked these questions.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the Americans, on average, half of them did not know.

Cristina: What other questions did you ask?

Jack: It was mainly just plucking at that. I thought that was interesting that they did not know who the queen was. And I Thought it was very interesting that they had no clue about how.

Cristina: Much states there are.

Jack: How many states they have.

Cristina: That is so weird. Yeah, I gotta ask people that. I would just assume that they would know, though. That's so weird.

Jack: Oh, crap. Yes. And they cannot name back more than about four presidents.

Cristina: Okay. I probably can't do that either. I don't know. I know president's names, but I can't tell you. Yeah, yeah, it would be random.

Jack: Yeah. Like you don't even. Could you at least identify their numbers without knowing.

Cristina: What do you mean their number?

Jack: Like what number of president they were? No, the obvious one is Lincoln. You don't know what number Lincoln was. Everybody knows he was 13.

Cristina: I don't know that. I don't know. I know Lincoln. I know he had a tall hat and something about fake teeth and a fat wife.

Jack: I bet his hat was super real. How famous is Lincoln?

Cristina: Abraham Lincoln In America or the world?

Jack: In the tier list.

Cristina: Oh, in our tier list. I don't think we put him there. Unless you want to put him there.

Jack: That's why I'm saying, oh, he has.

Cristina: To be a C. You think he's.

Jack: Only famous within our country? Probably, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, at most he would be very famous in African countries because of being a guy who freed the slaves in America.

Cristina: Why would they care?

Jack: I'm saying that that would be the. At most, that would be the closest connection. Oh, to say he's more famous. Trying to make a case for, like, is this possible?

Cristina: Yeah, that feels very random.

Jack: Well, no, I'm saying if they felt connected. I know that a lot of African countries do not like American black people. That's very common sentiment. Or black on black racism.

Cristina: Is it just. Is it racism?

Jack: Yeah, it kind of is. They don't like American. Black people in a lot of African.

Cristina: Countries don't just like Americans. How can you tell?

Jack: It's discussed by them.

Cristina: They say specifically.

Jack: Oh, not specifically, but like, if you were to ask a black person from the United States who's visited those countries and they told you the way that they are kind of treated and look, that then you would be like, okay, I'm not accepted here. You guys don't think I'm one of you. I am just some s*** from over there.

Cristina: But wouldn't they do that to anyone who showed up? I don't know.

Jack: No, not necessarily. Why? There's partnered with so many people from around the world in so many of the countries in Africa, including South Africa, which is notorious for connecting with the Western world. So Heftily. So why would they do that to everybody at random? It's really a thing about African blacks not liking American blacks. But that's totally outside the point. Who else can we think about who is reasonably famous? Either somebody in crazy height of fame and then mainly like. I think musicians seem to break out pretty heftily. Like Prince is probably really well known. I think mainly more known in the United States.

Cristina: Yes, that's the problem with a lot of it is that you just know the famous people in your local area.

Jack: Yeah, we're mainly gonna think about people from the United States.

Cristina: How do we think of S class tier?

Jack: Well, S class T, that's really what we should be doing. We should be trying to fill that out. But who is not Jesus? There you go. Oh, those are easy figures. If Jesus is real.

Cristina: If Jesus. So we are putting him there because I did say in the last episode that I was thinking of Jesus, but then I wasn't sure.

Jack: Well, the idea is we don't know. So we'll put him there because we don't actually know. Who else is there? The Dalai Lama. Global famous people. Leaders of countries, politicians, inventors. Is Edison famous everywhere?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Isn't Thomas Edison, the guy who made the light bulb is famous everywhere?

Cristina: I don't know. A class famous?

Jack: I think. Yeah, he's not as class. I think he's a class Thomas Edison. D***, man. His classes are hard. umm. Countries. No, but I'm tired of putting presidents.

Cristina: No leaders.

Jack: No more leaders. That's obvious. Yes, they're known by the world.

Cristina: Yeah, man. I had someone and I lost it. I lost it.

Jack: How big is Amazon globally? Do people just know Steve Jobs?

Cristina: Steve Jobs, Amazon?

Jack: Yeah. I actually don't think that Amazon is this mega thing in the whole global sphere.

Cristina: Amazon is not Steve Jobs.

Jack: I am not Steve Jobs. Jeff Bezos.

Cristina: I don't think he's known worldwide.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think he's all he's known too well. I would argue he's like a B or a C. I'm gonna put him in C. That checks out. None. Primarily in the United States.

Cristina: Did we put Steve Jobs?

Jack: He's somewhere in there, but. Okay, screw all of this. Let's try to put these people in order now.

Cristina: Just the S class.

Jack: Just the S class. No, just the S class. We're gonna put this S class in order. And I think probably the most famous person on this entire list, weirdly enough, is either Jesus. Jesus or Hitler or the Pope.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I think it's Between Jesus or Hitler. I think that's where, like, the most. Like, everybody's heard of.

Cristina: People were forced to learn Jesus more than Hitler. Like, we teach about, like. I don't know, we teach.

Jack: We kind of. In a lot of the world, we force both.

Cristina: It's a little different with Jesus.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: I don't, like.

Jack: Like, it's even taught in the household. Yeah, it's in many households.

Cristina: So I'm gonna put Jesus on.

Jack: Yeah, I think Jesus is probably the most famous.

Cristina: Then Hitler can be second place. Unless you think the Queen is.

Jack: No, I think Hitler comes next. And then I think there's an interesting problem between Pope Francis and Queen Elizabeth ii. I think they're about as famous. I actually think more people know about.

Cristina: The Pope than the Queen.

Jack: Yeah, I think it's. It's the Pope than the Queen. And I don't think anybody knows the Dalai Lama's name.

Cristina: Then why is he an S. Clear tier?

Jack: No, because they still know who he is.

Cristina: Oh.

Jack: You know, usually people have seen the most frequent Dalai Lama in some iteration.

Cristina: Nevertheless, is he a real person?

Jack: The Dalai Lama? Yes.

Cristina: Is he a Jesus figure?

Jack: He's some sort of spiritual figure.

Cristina: Okay, so I'm putting him under Hitler. Unless you think the Queen goes after him. Oh, no, you said Pope.

Jack: Yeah, the Pope goes way after. Yeah, yeah, it's after Hitler. Before the Dalai Lama, then the Queen. Yeah, then Queen Elizabeth.

Cristina: After the Dalai Lama.

Jack: No, before.

Cristina: Before.

Jack: I think the Queen is probably more known than the Dalai Lama.

Cristina: Then there's the scientists and the three rulers. The three rulers are going to be in the bottom. They don't need to be in order. I feel like. Unless you want to put them in order, but I feel like it's not really important. But where does the scientist go?

Jack: What do you think?

Cristina: Before? After. Before. I'm gonna say before.

Jack: You think Einstein's more famous than Obama?

Cristina: I think he's taught more in schools.

Jack: Fair enough. I think most people would be familiar with Einstein.

Cristina: I think something about history does help some of these people. Like, if we were going to put the presidents in order, I wouldn't know who to choose between Obama and Trump.

Jack: Yeah, that's a close tie.

Cristina: I would put Vladimir above them.

Jack: No, you know what? Fair enough. I think Trump is more globally known then I think Vladimir, and I think Trump are probably even more known than Einstein.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Trump is huge.

Cristina: You're going to put Einstein beneath Trump?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: They could put Trump over Obama.

Jack: Yeah. I think Putin and Trump are pretty close together.

Cristina: But who goes first?

Jack: I think Trump is more famous than Putin. I think Trump is so exaggeratedly well known because everybody has something to say about him.

Cristina: Okay. But you're not gonna put him above the Llama and Elizabeth or the Pope.

Jack: This is hard one. I do think Donald Trump is about as famous as the Lama.

Cristina: I'm just gonna leave him underneath him.

Jack: Yeah. Because towards the top, it's getting fuzzy. I know Hitler and Jesus are on a whole category of their own.

Cristina: S plus tier.

Jack: That's S plus. And then we got, like, the top of S with Pope Francis and the Queen, and then the mid tier with Dalai Lama. And Donald Trump still feels wrong there, but I think he feels he's probably higher. Vladimir Putin. And then the bottom with Barack Obama and Albert Einstein.

Cristina: Yes. They're all S class.

Jack: They're all S class. They're known by almost everybody. Galileo.

Cristina: Galileo.

Jack: Is that an S class person? I think yes. I think a lot of people have at least heard the name. Or not an S class. I think that's more of an A.

Cristina: I think that's an A.

Jack: Yes. Because a lot of people won't know who he is, but they will know his name.

Cristina: Yeah. Do you need to know what he's done?

Jack: Like, they don't even know he's a person when they hear Galileo. That's really the thing, because there's so many things named Galileo after him, obviously, but they don't know that.

Cristina: What about Julius Caesar? That doesn't count, does it?

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because there's things named after him.

Jack: Yeah. But that doesn't make him more famous.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: So I guess. I guess this is our ultimate list. I guess it is. Jesus, Hitler, Pope Francis, Queen Elizabeth ii, the Dalai Lama, President Donald Trump, Vladimir Putin, President Barack Obama, and Albert Einstein as a top of our. As our S tier. The most famous humans to have existed.

Cristina: Mm. I like it that you like it. Yep.

Jack: There's nothing that feels off here.

Cristina: No.

Jack: All right, so the most famous individual probably in all of time is. It is. I mean, is. Is Jesus. I mean, Hitler's pretty up there, though.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: For being around way less time.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Hitler's arguably way more effective.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Long term.

Cristina: But if you asked all those people that you asked random questions to about these two people, they would know both these names.

Jack: Yeah, they did.

Cristina: They did.

Jack: Well, not Jesus. Anything about Jesus, but I did for Hitler. And everybody knew who he was and what he did.

Cristina: He's more famous than the Queen.

Jack: He's more famous than.

Cristina: At least in America.

Jack: Yes. In the United States, for whatever reason, there was a Weird gap about Queen Elizabeth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They just no awareness.

Cristina: But now I want to know. Yeah, I think that's complete.

Jack: I think that's complete. I think Jesus, then Hitler. Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Famous famous people.

Jack: Yeah. Those are who we believe are the most famous. I guess those are the most famous. We're trying to understand really the S class by putting everybody else in the other classes. That really helped us understand who are the top famous people. Because any random person is the bottom famous person. Yes, it's only mattering for the top, but we needed to understand what the top was anyways. If you guys have names that you think actually would go S class, that would be a great help. If you think of people that you think are known by the world, send us those names of these celebrities at all our socials, @justconvo pod, on Instagram and Twitter and Facebook and Tick tock and wherever.

Cristina: Wherever. And remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And use word of mouth to share it. Tell people about the program. It is awesome. And they will be like, whoa. Or they'll be like, nah.

Cristina: This has been the rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

Jack: Sab.

Cristina: Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 27, 2023

Rambling 227: The Wheel of Fame

May 27, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Who is the most famous person? What does it mean to be famous? Can it be ranked? The duo create a tier list in order to better understand degrees of fame following the previous week’s discussion on the same topic.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Describing Fame
Global Fame
Local Fame
Tier List
Wheel of Fame

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Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurdly baffling ideas. And today we have have a continuation to a conversation we were having last week where for some reason we landed a pond trying to figure out what level of fame qualifies giving a celebrity a certain grade and where they would land on that grading system. Celebrity being anybody who is known by a lot of people. But now there's different ways to be known. Now we decided we were going to make our individual tier lists of celebrities, fame, and then compare notes. But we're also going to form between the two of us as we discuss our individual ones. Yeah, I guess a mega list. The super band of lists.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In order to truly understand the levels of fame. But these people are gonna move up and down as we truly nail down who's the most famous.

Cristina: And what does it mean?

Jack: And what does it mean? Okay, so we have them on this little wheel thing. And the wheel is gonna choose a name for us. Typical. What's. What's the show? What's the show with the wheel? And you spin it.

Cristina: Wheel of Fortune.

Jack: Wheel of Fortune. We're gonna Wheel of Fortune these names and then talk about them and make our super mega duper list. Yes. That's what we're about to do. So let's spin this wheel of celebrities made up entirely of the people you and I thought of.

Cristina: And I already spun the first wheel. So the winner is Oprah Winfrey.

Jack: That's interesting. I don't actually think Oprah Winfrey is global. That's just. Yeah, you know, it's really American billionaire type of thing.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I think Oprah Winfrey easily lands in like a C tier, a sea tier. Yeah. I don't think she's global, man. I think there's a lot of steps before you get to her.

Cristina: Where. Where would be to you then be like, what would be in beats here.

Jack: In beat here.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: In my head, the way these work, S means you are known by a lot of people around the world. Just a lot of people in general. Everywhere there's a lot of people. Then A means you're known in specific areas around the world.

Cristina: Specific areas.

Jack: So you're known. Like there's a bunch of countries that know you, but there's a bunch of countries that don't. Unlike being an S, which It doesn't really matter where you are. You kind of know. So in A class you're known worldwide, but not everybody knows. But in S class you're known worldwide and kind of like everybody has at least heard of you.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay.

Jack: Then B is you're really famous in one place and you have some small pockets around the world.

Cristina: Okay. I can't prove that about her. She is very moon here. For sure.

Jack: For sure.

Cristina: But I don't know.

Jack: I think she lands in C. I had her at.

Cristina: I think I had her in B. No, I had her in A.

Jack: You had her in A?

Cristina: There's now kind of doesn't make sense. I. I kind of agree with you. Like she's not that famous.

Jack: Yeah, I don't think she's that famous. But do you agree with how I'm laying them out?

Cristina: Yes, but also I just don't think she's that famous. She's not like she's definitely not worldwide. Like I'm not sure about B and C and like worldwide versus worldwide, but everyone. I don't know, it's a little tricky. But I just know she's not that.

Jack: Basically A, B and C. I mean S, B, S, A and B are all worldwide, but different levels of it.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: And then you stop being worldwide. That just means you're in your country or a country that isn't yours, but you're famous somewhere.

Cristina: So C it is. I think. Okay, I'm go with C2.

Jack: I. I think that's the correct choice.

Cristina: I don't know. Like now like maybe she can be D. What is D?

Jack: D is you're just known in a small area. A city. You're known locally. A couple of cities.

Cristina: Okay. More famous than that. She pretty famous, but it's just local. I.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Okay. So now let's get the next name. You see, we managed to get that down. We agreed on the. On the rules here. So the hope is that we can sustain it.

Cristina: Kajima.

Jack: Became developer. He was not on my list. Hideo Kojima. That's interesting. I think Hideo Kojima is a B class celebrity because he is known globally. But in certain areas was the result.

Cristina: That in A, again, isn't A the small area or no.

Jack: Yeah. So if he were A, it would be like a bunch of countries know him a lot. Like he's super big there. Like Hasselhoff is just big in random places. Oh, just huge around the world.

Cristina: He's A S. Because there's place people.

Jack: Who don't know about him. But where he's known. He's f****** known. While Hideo Kojima. He's really big, but where he's big, he's known kind of specifically. Those people are really specific people who know who he is.

Cristina: Yes. So that would be B. I originally had him at A. Also. I don't know if Hideo and Oprah. So let's see.

Jack: Yeah. Because he's still huge in his own country, and he's huge in the United States.

Cristina: But everywhere, I guess.

Jack: But not everywhere. And even then, he's not. No, exactly.

Cristina: And celebrities know him.

Jack: But those would be the pockets here and there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Small groups of people.

Cristina: Famous to famous people.

Jack: He's famous to famous. That's. That's actually kind of amazing. He's famous people's celebrity.

Cristina: I'm so good. I think B does work, though. I hate that your rules make sense. It does make sense. I'm trying to understand B and A still a little bit, but I'm. I'm getting it. Okay.

Jack: All right, let's roll this again and see who we get. The Wheel of Fame. That's what this is gonna be called.

Cristina: Wheel of Fame. Wheel of Fame, Yes. Is it another from my list? Bts?

Jack: I actually had this on my list.

Cristina: You had them on your list?

Jack: On my list.

Cristina: Okay. Their world famous. You don't even have to know anything.

Jack: No, I have to think about this. I have to think about this. I had to think about this a lot. And I do think they're a. Not us. I think they're a. For one reason. They're known globally and they're known, like, heavily. But there's two issues going on. One, they're. They're like Hasselhoff. The amount that they're known is subject to their location. They're huge in really specific places. Second, they're huge to a specific group of people.

Cristina: Yeah, huge.

Jack: Because there's many of them. But a specific group of people. Grandparents don't know who the they are.

Cristina: That's how you're gonna. You have to Every age ring. That age ring.

Jack: Yeah. I had to. I had to think about it. Like, could I ask. Somebody doesn't know who you are.

Cristina: Okay. But he's. They're a. Right.

Jack: They're a. They're a. Yeah. If I can ask anybody and anybody would know who you are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're s. Okay. S is hard to get into.

Cristina: I actually did not have them on my name. I had them originally, and I removed them for someone else because my list was just getting too long.

Jack: BTS An A class level of fame.

Cristina: But I think who I replace them with is someone equally as famous. But we'll see the next person.

Jack: All right. Spinning the wheel. I wish we had the. The sound effect for it.

Cristina: There probably is. Huh?

Jack: Alex Gray.

Cristina: Alex Gray. Oh, my gosh.

Jack: I think that's an easy. Like C. I think he's real big in the United States, and he's either C or B. Like a low B?

Cristina: No, C, maybe.

Jack: Because I think he's still famous enough to be known globally, but by small groups of people who are specifically seeking him out. I don't think there's anything huge. So I do think he's probably leaning more towards A. Yeah. Like a low B. So that makes him a C. I.

Cristina: Would say C. I'm feeling C. Like, I really like him, but I don't think it's.

Jack: His level of fame isn't colossal.

Cristina: I don't think I know anyone else.

Jack: People know his art more than they know him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's how serious it is.

Cristina: Yeah. That was your choice, because I don't think I picked him. Yeah. Okay.

Jack: That was mine. So Alex Gray was a. Is. He is not that. Alex Gray is a visionary artist, really successful one. Also owns a museum called the hall of Mirrors, which is a psychedelic church.

Cristina: I don't know it's a museum, but it's. And there's worshiping there.

Jack: Yes. And he's also a psychonaut who explores the innards of his psychology. And so his art kind of shows that, too. He's very spiritual, very connected to the oneness of the universe. And this idea of a very pure Zen Buddhism. So he's way into that. And so, yeah, that's Alex Gray.

Cristina: And you're a fan of Alex Gray?

Jack: I'm a big fan.

Cristina: Like, I'm a fan of Hideo Kojima. Okay.

Jack: Alex Gray is my personal favorite artist. Okay. The next individual on the list is Hitler. Hitler.

Cristina: I had him on my list. I don't know if you had him on your list.

Jack: I did have him on my list, and I also believe that. Oh, no, I didn't have him on my list. I thought I would.

Cristina: And then you. What? You were.

Jack: Then I forgot.

Cristina: Oh, you.

Jack: Hitler's S. Easy. I think Hitler's S. You know what?

Cristina: I don't even know where I put him.

Jack: I think Hitler's an S class level of fame. Everybody knows who the h*** Hitler is.

Cristina: I put him in B.

Jack: Earth.

Cristina: I play him in B. Because he's so unlike that people probably forget, like, want to forget that he was the thing you know?

Jack: No. Nobody will ever so known. You can ask strangers about him and they just want to exit the conversation immediately. And it doesn't matter where you do it. If you just bring up Hitler. Everybody was involved. He was fighting.

Cristina: Like, everyone knows his name.

Jack: Everybody knows his name. And everybody knows what he did. That's like something that everybody teaches no matter what side you're on.

Cristina: Yeah. Like there's.

Jack: There's no escaping it.

Cristina: Everybody deserves to be an escort.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: I'm surprised that you didn't have him on your list.

Jack: I didn't. And I am actually surprised I didn't have him too. That's really impressive. I think I'm getting better as a human and my heart has grown several times.

Cristina: That's a lie. You talk about him all the time.

Jack: Yes, I do. I do. I talk a lot about Hitler.

Cristina: And the next one is Leonardo da Vinci.

Jack: Leonardo da Vinci. So I'm not sure if this is mine, but I was gonna put Leonardo da Vinci and I. I think I took mine out. I took out Leonardo da Vinci in exchange for someone else. So now the question is Leonardo da Vinci. How famous do we think this man is?

Cristina: Well, I had him in the S. Tier. I don't even know like, I know he's a famous painter. I know I And sculptor. Right.

Jack: He was a Renaissance man. You did all the things. He was a venture as well.

Cristina: Yeah. And I'm sure a lot of people know his name.

Jack: People know his name. Leonardo da Vinci.

Cristina: If he's not as. He's a.

Jack: He's definitely a. I think he's a for one reason. I think you can ask people about him and they not know his name. I think you could legitimately, like they've known of people like him. He could blend into the crowd.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. He's not one of a kind as well. That's another requirement to standing out so hard.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: This one of a kindness. This. You. You become a legend at some point.

Cristina: And he's not.

Jack: And he's not.

Cristina: I'm gonna play him at A. I think A is right.

Jack: You think gay is right?

Cristina: I think so. I don't think like just putting Hitler and S is already kind of like, you got some people down.

Jack: Yeah. Like he's way up there. It's like the level of known he is. He's amongst the most known people ever.

Cristina: That's crazy. I don't know how many other people. There should be a few other people at least.

Jack: I hope it's not just definitely a few other people like him.

Cristina: Arnold Schwarzenegger is the next name. I can't say his name.

Jack: Arnold. Yeah, Schwarzenegger. That's right. Schwarzenegger. Nagger. E, G, G, E, R. Negger.

Cristina: Anyway, that's. He. Come on.

Jack: He's very known, but he's not like. Everybody knows his name regardless of where they are.

Cristina: I feel like he's a world. No, he is.

Jack: But also he's an American action hero. That's very American thing. I do truly, honestly believe that there are people who don't know who he is. There are people.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Who just have no clue. And some people have seen him and don't know his name and. No, I think he's an A.

Cristina: He's an A. He's a B. No, he's a.

Jack: He could be an A, I think. Well, no, that. Well, yeah. Here. That's. I guess that's the next step. He is definitely a very American thing. So I think he's a B. He's really famous in the United States. Really? Like everybody out here and people out.

Cristina: There would know him if they're into those type of things.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like Hiro Kojima.

Jack: Exactly. Gamers know about him.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So yeah, he's. He's in that area for sure. Definitely be.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Okay.

Jack: Yes. Now, who else do we have?

Cristina: Tiger Woods.

Jack: Tiger Woods. He is probably really, really American.

Cristina: That is. Yeah, Yeah. A lot of my celebrities, of course, are going to be really American.

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case.

Cristina: Like, there.

Jack: He doesn't seem like. Yeah, but he's not like super duper, mega, ultra famous. It's kind of a real American thing. Most of his fame is due to just American s***.

Cristina: But a lot of Americans, not just people watching golf, know him. Like, that's what makes him extra celebrity. Like, he's not d. Oh, no, no, no.

Jack: He's definitely a C class celebrity.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's as known as you could be before you break out and are known globally.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because the problem is golf itself isn't like the most global of sports. That's a real white American sport. So a real.

Cristina: Like. Who knows anyone that plays? Do you know anyone else? Any golfer?

Jack: No.

Cristina: A name like, I think that makes him like anyone. I guess that's what really being a celebrity is about. Everyone knows your name.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: If they don't watch you.

Jack: Exactly. Tiger woods is really well known. So he fits the suit that's required for the most part.

Cristina: And then we got Britney Spears.

Jack: Britney Spear.

Cristina: Yes. I think that was me.

Jack: Man. She's like. She's down there, dude. Because I don't think she's like. She's not. Definitely not worldwide. And she's not like even in our own countries. Hella people who have no idea who that.

Cristina: You think so?

Jack: Yeah. Like the new generation has no idea who Britney Spears is. And like the really, really old generation has no idea who Britney Spears. She was always kind of specific. She was pop.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Pop is only for Whoever was about 16 when it happened, you know, so.

Cristina: Like kind of down there.

Jack: Yeah, exactly. She's like a. Like a D. D tier.

Cristina: Okay. Yes. Finally. I just want to put her in D tier. Just because we need someone in D tier.

Jack: Yeah. Just create that locality. That's all it is. She's local so she's specific pockets of people.

Cristina: Yeah. Oh, before I move on though, where did I have her originally? I probably had her higher than they though, but I'm not sure. Oh, B. That doesn't make sense though. That definitely doesn't. Next up is Stephen King.

Jack: Stephen King. This is a hard one because I don't actually know how like out there. His stuff is one. He writes in English and translating work.

Cristina: People know him more about. More for his movies. Yeah.

Jack: And then we're talking. Or his movies, like huge smash hits in the world.

Cristina: Probably not.

Jack: They're probably like real us stuff.

Cristina: Yes. So he's got to be C or D. Yeah. But he might be famous to two.

Jack: Different groups, which makes him really famous and probably breaks them out a little. So he might. Might actually be a B tier celebrity where he's known around the world, but by pockets of people. Because horror lovers and book readers.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Both like horror movie lovers, I guess. Horror lovers, movie lovers and book readers.

Cristina: We think outside this little place. People know him if they're into those things.

Jack: Yes, that's exactly my point. He's huge here in the United States and he has fans outside that enjoy his material.

Cristina: You know he's going into B. I do.

Jack: I do believe he's B tier. Yep.

Cristina: Bbb. Okay.

Jack: And which is interesting because I probably would have thought. My initial thought was that he was.

Cristina: Like a C. My original list, he was a C. The original list, he.

Jack: Was a C. Yeah. It makes sense at first thought, you know.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But let's see who we have now. We have President Barack Obama. Interesting. Fascinating. I do in fact believe this man is similar to Nelson Mandela. He is a very, very. Because of his race alone, well known and to the point that I. He's either high A or. Or loaz. I think he's close to like being known by Everybody. Everybody in this country for a fact. And everybody in many other countries for a fact. The question is everybody in every country.

Cristina: Question mark. I don't know.

Jack: That's the real.

Cristina: I'm thinking about this because I don't. I do have him and I'm not.

Jack: Sure it makes sense. I think. I think he's an a**. I think he's up there with the best of them. Because I'm thinking the world is always talking about the United States. We're a show, bro. This is. This is huge.

Cristina: Everywhere they talked about Trump as much. Is he equal?

Jack: Yeah, I think so. I think he's also an S tier level of fame.

Cristina: Let me think about.

Jack: I think he successfully made himself that famous. I think these are really. We're talking about the most famous humans have existed. I think those are the two most famous presidents ever.

Cristina: I think he is us too.

Jack: I think it's hard to find somebody who's never heard of him.

Cristina: That's true.

Jack: In fact that's the best definition for S. If more than half of Earth knows who you are, how do you.

Cristina: Know Steve Jobs is next?

Jack: Steve Jobs. This is a weird one because it.

Cristina: Depends on who to American.

Jack: No, it's just really advanced countries.

Cristina: Oh people. But regular normal people knew about him. I think. I don't know.

Jack: Think about like a really impoverished country.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: With little access to technology. They got like TV and crap like that. Do they know who Steve Jobs is? They still know who the president is. Their president's probably always talking about our president and how horrible of an example he is. But do they know who Steve Jobs is? No. At the height of Steve's Jobs did that cross their airwaves even a little knowing they would never hold one of those things the president doesn't talk about.

Cristina: He's got to be a B at least, right? C B. I don't think an A. I don't.

Jack: Steve Jobs. He isn't super mega known everywhere. He's not super mega known in many places by mass. No, I think he's. Yeah, I think he's B. I think he's really well known in some places with pockets here and there.

Cristina: Yes. That's very specific to what he did.

Jack: Yes. Tech and like people who aren't into his tech just don't really know him.

Cristina: Yeah. Or people who just know that anything that's Apple related I guess kind of knows him like or about self smartphones. They have to at least know the name Steve Jobs. I think so.

Jack: Who revolutionized.

Cristina: Exactly. Yes. Yes.

Jack: And the next I Wonder if we're gonna be able to make it through this. Probably gonna be like a two parter.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: Oh, Michael. Michael Jackson. That's a complicated one. I think there's many people who don't know him, but I don't think it's like he's either losing or a high A. Whoa. I think the question is, do you think President Barack Obama is more known than Michael Jackson? I think no, you don't. I think you think Michael Jackson is more known?

Cristina: I think so. I think the world. Because the world likes music. Yes, he's known.

Jack: But there's many people who didn't get to listen to a bunch of music or they are only familiar with their own music and still know who our president is. You know, like it doesn't matter your level of poverty. You still know the politics of your country and that means you still hear about s*** shows like the United States, which means you hear about their leaders. So you still know about the President, but music wise, would you still come across Michael Jackson and. No, I still think we could find people sooner that don't know who Michael Jackson is.

Cristina: Okay. A tier.

Jack: I think. Well, I'm not saying he's not so I'm saying comparatively to the President Obama.

Cristina: But SB he's not a B. A. It's gotta be A. Yeah.

Jack: He's bare minimum. He has to be a high A or a low S. I think very well known in many places, but not everywhere. I think not half of the world.

Cristina: Not half of the world, but every the world that the people that do know him know that he's famous.

Jack: Yeah. Here's the thing. You have to be so famous that you are. You have to take the majority of most other places and still manage to take huge chunks of China and India.

Cristina: Like we have to know that he's famous there too. They would.

Jack: He would be famous there too. To these. This crazy magnitude. I am sure our president is, you know. Okay, easy test.

Cristina: I'm gonna put Michael Jackson in A.

Jack: You don't agree?

Cristina: You think S. No, I. I think, hey, that's why I'm putting him in A if I'm thinking B.

Jack: But I feel like, no, I think he's too famous for that. I think he's really, really exaggeratedly well known. I just don't think it's like a huge chunk like that. Next up is J.K. rowling. Okay. I think a lot of people don't know who the f*** that is. Like a lot of people.

Cristina: I think they do if they know her movies No, I think a lot.

Jack: Of people know about Harry Potter movies and still don't know who the f*** she is. I think a f*** ton of people know her movies and don't know who the f*** she is.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. Her work is more famous than.

Jack: Yes, she is.

Cristina: Except for the people that are hating.

Jack: Yeah. And the people who are superfans or.

Cristina: Read the book hate community. And she has super fans. But I guess they have to know then. But I guess. Yeah, there's more people that know about Harry Potter than her.

Jack: Anyway, she's B.

Cristina: She's gotta be. Yeah.

Jack: I think she's a B tier celebrity.

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: I think huge in couple of places and then some pockets here and there.

Cristina: Originally I had her in D though. Let me think. D. Because I guess the point is like, yes, her work is more famous than her.

Jack: Yeah. Way more famous. People don't know who that. I have never seen her face once. I have no idea what she even looks like.

Cristina: What did you say originally? B. I'm thinking.

Jack: No, I said she's crazy unfamous.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Oh, like what I gave her. Yeah, she's a B. I think she's really famous in a couple of places. And then have pockets here and there for people who like connect through your thing. Yes, I think that's it. I think she's B.

Cristina: Okay. Or C, because I had her at D and now I feel like I want to put her in the middle between where you had her and where I have her. But maybe.

Jack: Do you think she's only famous in the United States or in England?

Cristina: Just her name. I mean, because like when you say her things are more famous than her. Like that's around the world. That's around the world. And like, I don't. Yeah, I think Harry Potter is more famous than her. Like Harry Potter probably deserves B tier if he was a real thing.

Jack: No, Harry Potter would be a tier.

Cristina: A tier. Mmm.

Jack: Harry Potter is very known around the world.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Yeah. Harry Potter is huge in many places.

Cristina: She a B tier.

Jack: I think she's a B tier. She's really famous in a couple of places. And then has people who know her through her writing.

Cristina: Yeah, she's like, yeah. I guess if I compare it to like Stephen King's like.

Jack: Yeah, yeah.

Cristina: They're pretty much the same crap above him. Maybe. I don't know.

Jack: No, I think Stephen King is more famous. Stephen King has done it for longer and has a bunch of crap. He has. But he has writers on his own.

Cristina: Bigger than her.

Jack: Not by writers alone. He probably has a bigger fan base because he has way more crap.

Cristina: The next up is Pope Francis.

Jack: I think easy.

Cristina: S easiest. It's easiest, yeah.

Jack: Because even if you literally don't know the man's name, you still the man. That's how crazy he's on some other. It's like the ro. It's like royalty. If you are one of the royals, it doesn't even matter. Nobody knows your name. Everybody still knows you. Everybody doesn't matter who you are. You just know.

Cristina: Yeah, same thing with the Pope.

Jack: You don't even know who the Pope is at the moment, but you know there's a Pope at the moment and you know what he does and what he's about. Like, you get it? You understand? All right, next on the list, Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson. At this point, there's an obvious ones who are yours. Yeah, they're just like American sports or actors, essentially.

Cristina: I tried my best.

Jack: Don't hate to just come across. I don't even know how. I think just American, like, really American man. And I think that's maybe. I don't know.

Cristina: I know his name. That makes him famous.

Jack: I think that. Yeah, I guess he's famous, but like, I really think that's like a. Like a C tier type of thing. Real in the country, but I don't think in the world.

Cristina: So maybe a D tier.

Jack: C tier, yeah.

Cristina: Oh, okay. Okay, Okay.

Jack: I think he's very famous within the country and at most, maybe in some places around the world, but not like a lot of people.

Cristina: Yeah, not a lot of people. Yeah, I think mostly in the country. I'm trying to think he's not like Britney Spears, though.

Jack: I think Britney Spears is way less famous than Mel Gibson. I feel like Britney Spears is very niche. Mel Gibson. Crap. Tons of people of all ages knew him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Britney Spears. Yeah, he's still alive.

Cristina: Okay, cool. Next up is Jay Z.

Jack: Jay Z. Just keep throwing. Keep throwing them in B. I mean, in C.C. keep throwing.

Cristina: Someone's gotta join Britney.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Jay Z doesn't go there.

Jack: I guess he would, right? He's real specific music. Then I think people still know him even if they don't like him.

Cristina: Really? That's the problem.

Jack: I think he's real. I mean, like, grandparents would know who he is. Fair enough. Like in the same country.

Cristina: So we're going with SIRD Yeah, he's.

Jack: D. He's D. He's groups of people.

Cristina: Yeah, look, we gotta have some Ds, okay.

Jack: Mel Gibson.

Cristina: And how many, like, outside of America would be like, did you come up with any Ds that are not famous here? Like.

Jack: No, not really. That would be hard, Right?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: We need to be there. CND are gonna be mainly around here. Ye.

Cristina: It makes.

Jack: But, like, why didn't you think of more famous people? People with higher levels of fame is what I mean.

Cristina: I have. And you thought of them, too. And I. What about Hitler? You didn't even think of Hitler.

Jack: I didn't think of Hitler. Okay. Yeah. No, but that's what I'm referring to. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. So Beyonce.

Cristina: Beyonce's next, I don't think. My choice, of course.

Jack: I think C or D. C or D?

Cristina: You think she's above Jay Z?

Jack: I think Mel Gibson needs to be brought down right now.

Cristina: Yes, Finally. Okay, but then what about.

Jack: And Beyonce goes down there, too.

Cristina: Okay, you know what? Okay, so.

Jack: And then I think Alex Gray as well.

Cristina: Alex Gray. You know, are we understanding Seymour? What's happening?

Jack: Yeah. I think C is really, like, everybody in your country knows who you are.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we're dealing with people who only specific groups of people know. I think Tiger woods also goes down.

Cristina: Tiger Wood.

Jack: I think C is the one that's empty, man.

Cristina: No, we have the opposite problem. Is Oprah Winfrey staying there? At least leave Oprah alone.

Jack: Yeah, we'll leave Oprah for now.

Cristina: For now. I don't know. Because I think so. Like, we don't even know. We know she's a famous talk show host. But she's so famous.

Jack: Yes, exactly. Like, everybody knows her one way or another. The question is, then, is Oprah more famous or less famous than J.K. rowling?

Cristina: Less famous.

Jack: Like, way less famous. Yes, we know that.

Cristina: For. I think Tiger woods might need to be moved up. Because. Even though. Because you know these other people for their music. Because you probably heard.

Jack: Ask a teenager who Tiger woods is.

Cristina: They won't. No, they'll know him. That he's a golfer, but they've never seen him golfing.

Jack: Maybe they won't even know that he's a golfer. Maybe some of them have never even heard his name. What happened with him was so long ago.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Oprah. See? For now.

Jack: Yeah. People still gotta figure out Oprah.

Cristina: Yeah. JRR Token, another writer.

Jack: I don't know how famous this guy is. I've never.

Cristina: Lord of the Rings. Lord of the Rings.

Jack: I don't know how famous that is.

Cristina: I know. Not that. Yeah, he's. I guess he's the Automatic.

Jack: But, like, where is he from the.

Cristina: Lord of the Rings? He wrote it.

Jack: I know what he did, yeah. Where is the guy who wrote it from?

Cristina: Where is he from?

Jack: Yes. Is he British?

Cristina: I have no idea where he's from. I know nothing about him. Except that he made that.

Jack: So then he's at least bare minimum B tier. Because you know who the h*** he is.

Cristina: Because he's. If he's from outside the country. Yeah, but if he's from the country, he's not B.

Jack: Well, not by the measurements we're making.

Cristina: South Africa, United Kingdom. So he's. He's South. Wait, he was born in South Africa, died in the United Kingdom.

Jack: Okay. Yeah. So 100% that is a writer. That is a B tier.

Cristina: B tier. But not a C tier.

Jack: But not a C tier because it's not just famous within his own country.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Slowly moving through it. Stephen Hawking. B Easy B. Really famous in a couple of places and then known sporadically throughout the world for what he's done.

Cristina: B. B, yes. Wait, you said B, right? Yeah, yes. Not A, Not.

Jack: Not A. I don't think he's massively known everywhere. I think there's a lot of people you can ask who he is and they'll be like, what?

Cristina: Yeah, I think B. B makes sense.

Jack: I think B as well. So far so good. But it's basically my. My thing makes perfect sense is what we're arguing.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. I'm happy with it. Van Gogh, Vincent van Gogh. Where does he go?

Jack: Oh, his work is globally famous.

Cristina: It is. But Leonardo da Vinci was that.

Jack: His work was globally famous too. How low is da Vinci? The question is, do they know his name?

Cristina: So he might be an A too. Do they know his name?

Jack: Go. That's the question. Right. Because if the work is eclipsing them.

Cristina: That would be B. That would be. Yeah, I don't know. I think he's an A.

Jack: The good thing about something like Stephen Hawking is that they're tied together. The scientist seems to be tied to the work always. But in the case of somebody who did something artistic, for whatever reason, they could be outshined by their art.

Cristina: They could be a B. I don't know what B.

Jack: We'll make a case for it.

Cristina: I'm trying to remember the difference between A and B.

Jack: B is where you are well known in one place and then pockets of people know you for what you've done around the world.

Cristina: Okay, then. No, wait, That's A.

Jack: That's B.

Cristina: That's B. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. I don't know. I feel like his artwork, when it comes to Artists. Yeah, I think there are. Probably stands out more than the art is artists himself. Like, people aren't like, whoa, Leonardo did this? Or whatever. No, what's the name we're doing? Leonardo's up there. Should he be up there now? Like, I'm. I'm confused. Van Gogh, like, you probably would be more impressed by the art than the artist.

Jack: I would argue that Leonardo da Vinci was more known than Van Gogh's name.

Cristina: I think so. I think so. So I do think he's a B, Van Gogh.

Jack: Here's the problem. Being more known doesn't mean jumping down an entire class. You could be the bottom of A, you know. But is he that known?

Cristina: I don't think that known, though.

Jack: You don't think he's super known in many places? No, he's a little known in many places.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, fair enough.

Cristina: Yes. So B it is.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Interesting. It seems B is the most densely packed of the bunch so far.

Cristina: We Gotta find some Cs, though. Yeah, I would have thought most of.

Jack: My name is really famous locally. Another artist, Michelangelo, presumably in the same place. But I think Michelangelo lands closer to da Vinci than he does to Van Gogh because he is also a Renaissance man.

Cristina: He was doing more than art. Yeah, he's doing more than art.

Jack: I mean, wait, Michelangelo was just the painter?

Cristina: No, Vince, Van Gogh was just a painter. I think Leonardo da Vinci was doing more.

Jack: Yeah, Leonardo da Vinci was doing more.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah.

Jack: But that's not what we're talking about.

Cristina: Oh, we're talking about Michelangelo. Michelangelo. Was he doing more? No, he wasn't.

Jack: He was just doing paint.

Cristina: He's just doing paint.

Jack: Okay, so yeah, you could throw them in there. No paint, no bottom.

Cristina: Yeah, very famous, though.

Jack: Yes, one of the most.

Cristina: And now Albert Einstein.

Jack: Albert Einstein. I think.

Cristina: Come on.

Jack: Now we're talking A tier. I think this is a person who is really well known in many places around the world.

Cristina: Very, very.

Jack: I don't think everyone.

Cristina: You don't think they just know his name? Like, most people don't know his name. A lot of people know his name, but not everyone knows because I feel like his name is so famous, even if they don't know what.

Jack: Yeah, they know. They could. They just use it casually. Oh, yeah, Einstein.

Cristina: Exactly his name.

Jack: So his name might make him an S tier. Fair enough. He might be so well known.

Cristina: Like, even if you're not into science or have no idea what he did. Yeah, you might know his name.

Jack: You have no clue and you still know Einstein.

Cristina: I'm saying he's an S then.

Jack: Yes, I agree. I agree with Einstein. And S makes sense.

Cristina: Yes, I think so. Yes, yes, yes.

Jack: Okay, next we've got Jackie Chan. B. B. I think he isn't super well known in many places. I think he's really well known in a couple of places. And then in pockets where people love specifically what he offers.

Cristina: Been two whole countries. Yeah. That's huge pockets.

Jack: Yeah, but it's still not even half. Unless he's wrecking those numbers out there in Bollywood.

Cristina: I don't know. What if he is? I don't know, actually. I have no idea.

Jack: I highly doubt it.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. B tier it is.

Jack: I think you make sense in B tier.

Cristina: B tier makes sense. Yes. No, the next person is Samuel L. Jackson. Come on. A C now. No, I'm just joking.

Jack: He's a D. This is a D. I think Samuel Jackson is pretty well known. You think there's a lot of people in the country that don't know who he is. Like, you think he's a C? I think he's a C. I think. I think he's probably the only actor will ever see who's the C class.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Who's in the seat here?

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Oh, but I think he's countrywide. Yeah. I think because he's constantly in something, dude. Nerds know who he is and jocks know who he is and action lovers know who he is and he's gonna do more romance. Miss. He probably like a million.

Cristina: He probably is, yeah. Interesting. All the things he's in all the things. We all know him.

Jack: He is definitely in all the things. Will Smith.

Cristina: Yes, Will Smith, another actor.

Jack: I think we are talking the very bottom of B. I think he's very, very famous in at least one or two countries, like where everybody knows. And then I think he's in pockets throughout the world. And pretty large pockets, I would argue, but not like predominant pockets where it's majority still like pretty good sums everywhere.

Cristina: Will Smith.

Jack: Will Smith.

Cristina: From what?

Jack: From his music. Oh, his music has been played. It's some of the original rap and it was family friendly and it kind of made the range.

Cristina: B tier.

Jack: Yeah. I think he's well known enough throughout the world to be B tier. I don't think it's like eight here. There's no. Not even scratching that. I think he's the bottom, bottom, bottom, bottom of B. I don't think it's just within our country.

Cristina: Johnny Depp.

Jack: B, B. I think B.

Cristina: B.

Jack: I think he might be at towards the top of it, though, I think he might be closer to, like, an A than Will Smith is for sure. I think that's. You think Will Smith is more famous than Johnny Depp? I mean, maybe.

Cristina: I feel like Johnny Depp is very American. I don't know about outside of American. Then for Johnny Depp, I feel like he's a C. You think.

Jack: You see, Fair enough. He could be.

Cristina: I think some of his characters are, like, very famous and they're outside the country. Like that dumb Captain Jack.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: But as an actor, I don't think he's as famous.

Jack: That's fair. That's fair. I'll take it. I'm too unsure to make a stand. I am too unsure to make a stand, so it doesn't matter. Greta Thornberg.

Cristina: Greta Thunberg. Thunberg. That's how I spelled it. I don't know. Whatever. I picked that person. I don't even know how to spell her name.

Jack: I think that Greta is V. She's known by, you know, people who love outrage.

Cristina: Yeah. Yes, she is.

Jack: People who love outrage are people who are addicted to the news. One or the other.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's about it.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's not.

Jack: Not, like, huge, mega, super famous individual.

Cristina: She's out there. She's doing stuff.

Jack: Next.

Cristina: Machine Gun Kelly.

Jack: Easy.

Cristina: D D? Yes. I don't think anyone. I don't know anyone who knows him, like, except for, like. Or. I know he's a musician, and the only thing I know of him is the thing that he did with Eminem or against Eminem, if you want to say, whatever that was, that mess.

Jack: But you knew of him only because of that thing.

Cristina: I didn't know of him before that thing.

Jack: Oh, word. Okay.

Cristina: It was outside of him that made him famous. Someone else brought him to the light. And then I was like, oh, okay, now I know that name. But before that moment, I had no idea.

Jack: Yeah, he's an EZD who's.

Cristina: Easy. D. Edgar Allan Poe.

Jack: Well, make the case, because I don't know.

Cristina: You don't know? I don't know. He. He's a famous writer. I know that's. I don't know. I would say C. D, C, D. He's not American. If that counts. If that counts, then maybe B.

Jack: How famous is he in the United States? That's the question. And I think very.

Cristina: As a writer.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah, I think he's pretty famous. But also. Wait, he is American. I think he is American. Does that matter?

Jack: Well, I actually think he's one of those considered to be Something like Shakespeare.

Cristina: Yes, I think of that too. But like, not whatever. Shakespeare is obviously above whatever we put him like, he.

Jack: They don't care that Shakespeare is probably only famous to English speakers?

Cristina: I don't know. Maybe. No. Are you sure? Are you sure he's only famous?

Jack: But again, he translate Shakespeare to, like Japanese.

Cristina: Yes. If they love plays. I don't know. But okay, when you say like that. But I think, yeah, still, Edgar Allan Poe would be lower than Shakespeare and Shakespeare is probably not as high as I thought he was.

Jack: So growl. And Poe is like a bee.

Cristina: So he's like a V. Okay. Next up is Snoop Dogg.

Jack: Snoop Dogg.

Cristina: Another bee, Another bee. I think this person we both had on our list.

Jack: Yeah, I did. And I had them as a B.

Cristina: You had him as a B? I probably had him pretty low. I don't know, but doesn't matter. A B, a C. I do want more Cs.

Jack: It's not about just trying to fill the category.

Cristina: I know, I know, I know. But he is a B because he's.

Jack: Very well known in some areas and has fans everywhere else.

Cristina: Everywhere. He fans. Fans everywhere. Yeah.

Jack: Slowly but surely picking out this list.

Cristina: We'Re more than halfway done.

Jack: Dave Chappelle.

Cristina: Dave Chappelle.

Jack: Another B.

Cristina: Another B. He is famous. Super famous here.

Jack: Yes. And probably in a couple of places.

Cristina: Probably a couple of places. No, his name.

Jack: He's probably really high B. Really low. A. Something like that.

Cristina: I'm gonna give him a B, though. Yeah.

Jack: It doesn't seem infinitely known. Easy. S. Donald Trump.

Cristina: Donald Trump. I guess we already talked about him. Comparing him to Barack Obama.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Which makes him an a**. Yes. Next up is Vladimir Putin.

Jack: Vladimir Putin. This is an interesting one. I do believe that this is at, as of now, an S class individual. There's probably people who didn't know who Vladimir Putin was. They just knew that there was a president in Russia. But I think now everybody. For sure, we knew about Vladimir Putin, but it's because the United States is, for whatever reason, highly obsessed with Russia. But other than that.

Cristina: But now he's worldwide. Everyone knows who he is.

Jack: Yes. He brought himself up to be. Because he still believes in the old school war that has everybody. Like what?

Cristina: Yeah, they're scared of him. And yeah, yeah, I think he says, I didn't think of him though. But yeah.

Jack: Vladimir Putin.

Cristina: Everyone's learned his name by now.

Jack: Yes. And Zelensky as well. Banksy. This is an interesting situation because it's really specific, but it's a really, really well known individual that Sells some of the most expensive art on earth.

Cristina: Very random artist.

Jack: Well, he doesn't sell the art. Somebody else does against his will. I think Banks sees a B. I.

Cristina: Was gonna say that. I was gonna say that. I think he's a B. Next up is Michael Jordan.

Jack: Michael Jordan, Yes. I think Michael Jordan is probably really, really famous in the United States and not too famous anywhere else. I think that's a real us thing.

Cristina: Us thing. That's ac. Yes, That's a C. I think so. I think he is super famous.

Jack: But in the United States.

Cristina: In the United States, yeah.

Jack: That's the important part. In the United States.

Cristina: Bill Gates.

Jack: I don't know. This is an interesting one.

Cristina: Is he more or less famous than Steve Jobs? He's gotta be. He's definitely more famous than Steve Jobs.

Jack: Yes. Because he's still alive.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: And he gets involved in more things.

Cristina: He does. He does get involved. Like, I think more people know his name. Definitely.

Jack: The question is how many more people is he known in pockets throughout the world?

Cristina: He's in Africa.

Jack: Yeah. And that's about as far as it goes. Pockets around the world.

Cristina: Pockets around the world. Pockets around the world. Not a B. Yes, yes, yes, yes. But with Steve Jobs, that's kind of weird.

Jack: One is higher than the other. That's all it is. All right, one more and then we have to save the. The rest of them for next time because we won't be able to make it. Alan Watts.

Cristina: The last name.

Jack: I think Alan wants probably a B. He's very. He's known around the world. Not, I think, mass numbers, but collectively, yes. Millions of people. But I think it's like people. It's niche, but throughout the world.

Cristina: Yes. It's kind of like.

Jack: Everybody in B tier. Hideoko Jima.

Cristina: Okay. Yeah.

Jack: You know, Hawking, walking, like. Yeah, 100.

Cristina: Yeah. Cool.

Jack: Okay. Yes. We gotta like save it here and call it wraps because we are done. We're gonna go for our time. But yeah, I guess we were the obligation to continue this and put the. To fill out. The tier list is now among us.

Cristina: Among us.

Jack: Among us.

Cristina: That be. That B is ridiculous. But I feel like maybe that's what a tier list would look like.

Jack: Yeah. They would be like the more centered place would have more of them and the extremes would have the least of them.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: Yeah, it works out. So. Yeah, I guess. Stay tuned for next week when we finish the tier list and you could see where our celebrities submit some names and we'll. We'll go.

Cristina: Yes, we'll Think about adding it.

Jack: We'll go down the entire list once it's done and we add everything to it. But yeah, send us names. You think of just famous people who would land maybe on one of the empty classes. Maybe people who are only famous within their country but nowhere else to fill out C class. Or people who are only really, really famous locally to fill out the D class. Or maybe you got some S classes that we're not even thinking about.

Cristina: I just thought of an S class that I don't think. I can't tell if they can go in or not because I'm unsure if they're fictional or non fictional. And I'm gonna say who it is anyway. Because we're not gonna put them in Mary from the Bible.

Jack: Mary. No, because we can't prove the Bible. We gotta assume they're fictional.

Cristina: Okay. Like, oh, Jesus. But.

Jack: Oh, well, yeah, but you guys can send us any of those names you come up with. You can send us those on our socials. Tw, Instagram, Tick Tock, Facebook. We're everywhere at just Convopod.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show.

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Cristina: Fame mega tier list.

Jack: Yes. Like a super bad, super tearless super band.

Cristina: Yeah. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 20, 2023

Rambling 226: Celebrityism

May 20, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Why are people obsessed with celebrities? What’s the psychology behind obsession? What constitutes being a celebrity? The duo unpack celebrities and discuss fanaticism and its effects on the mind!

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Celebrities
Stans
Psychology
Obsession
Fame Hate
Fame Love
Celebrity Tier List

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And we were just talking about how Yoko Ono just happened to fall in love with John Lennon. It's not her fault. And that is correct. And what you were about to say is that what? John Lennon just happened to fall in love with Yoko Ono. But to everybody else, it was like this big, dramatic like, you b******. You mess everything up. You ruined everything. She ruined.

Cristina: She ruined everything. But she didn'.

Jack: They didn't. They just. All he did was weigh what was more important to him and people weren't angry at what.

Cristina: And he wasn't even choosing her over the band or anything. He loved both equally. That's why she was part of the band. Because he loved the band and joined the band. Yeah. She was always there with them while they were doing their work, and that's probably why they thought she was annoying. But it's because he wanted her there.

Jack: Like, I don't know if she was the band up.

Cristina: No, I don't think so.

Jack: Did they break up when a dude died?

Cristina: Could be that would be him. He died.

Jack: John Lennon died?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Do they blame her?

Cristina: No, I don't think she blamed her for his death.

Jack: For John Lennon's death?

Cristina: Definitely not. Just some obsessed guy.

Jack: Then what did Yoko Onno do that.

Cristina: She'S hated for being there?

Jack: Why is that an issue?

Cristina: Because she was always there.

Jack: I see how that's annoying, though.

Cristina: That's annoying. That's all. That's all it was.

Jack: It was just annoying.

Cristina: It was just annoying.

Jack: But isn't it that Yoko Ono broke up the group?

Cristina: No. Or I don't think so. Unless the group woke up because they thought she was annoying. But that makes no sense.

Jack: Maybe she was that annoying.

Cristina: She's that annoying.

Jack: She could have been that annoying.

Cristina: I don't think so. Because I feel like they still work together while she was there being annoying until they couldn't. Are you sure it wasn't because he died?

Jack: I don't know. So the question is, this is a what came first, the chicken or the egg situation.

Cristina: Did he die?

Jack: Did he die and they broke up? Or did she join and get so annoying that they broke up and then he died?

Cristina: And there's no way they blame her for his death.

Jack: Did he die not being a beetle? Like, is that the idea Here.

Cristina: No, it looks like they died because they were just tired of live performances.

Jack: They what? They just what? Yeah, live performances. That's what broke it up. We hate concerts.

Cristina: Yeah. Paul McCartney was the only one that was interested in live shows.

Jack: I can imagine. That sucks, dude. Live concerts suck.

Cristina: But the rest of them were like, meh. So it's not her fault. Although she did join probably around the time that they broke up, but she was not really part of the band. So the joke, they're just tired of the band. I think they were tired of the.

Jack: Band while she joined it there. Yeah, she joined it and that's just that. Just the straw that broke the camels.

Cristina: Exactly. She just joined in the wrong time. But she wasn't really joining the band. She's just there too much. Too much. But not really because they were really just.

Jack: Anyway.

Cristina: Yes, with or without her, they were tired.

Jack: It's a matter of when. I guess. She sped that up slightly.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But it was still coming.

Cristina: Yeah, it was coming. So it's not her fault.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: And then Paul. No, not Paul. Who died then?

Jack: John Lennon.

Cristina: John Lennon died 20 years later or 10. 12.

Jack: 12 years.

Cristina: 12 years later, man.

Jack: It's so strange how people see this so differently. Right. Because people are just looking like, this lady ruined it.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: She ruined the Beatles.

Cristina: Yes. Because people actually think they're the greatest.

Jack: Man ever, but he just fell in love. They don't give a s***. They don't care.

Cristina: No.

Jack: That he was just in love. They are like, no, we want high quality music from you and blame something.

Cristina: It's easier to blame her than like, they got tired of each other. It's just easier. It's just easier to say the chick did it.

Jack: So then this talks the psychology of people and their sort of obsession with things. If they. They're obsessed with it, they need to relate to it on a really heavy level.

Cristina: Yes. Yeah, I think so. Even like with Eminem, I'm sure people hate Kim with a passion without even knowing who she is. But just because his stories has Hur portrayed as the enemy, therefore she is. Yes. I'm sure people see her as an enemy, even though it's probably not. They're just characters in his stories. Yes. Like, only he can personally feel anything towards these people. But his fans definitely feel something. Yes. That's made up because he's feeling it, therefore they feel it.

Jack: But like, what's happening in these people? Think of when two celebrities beef and then fans decide to jump in.

Cristina: Dude. Yeah, yeah. Just like, I don't know. Like they feel like they know what's going on when they definitely don't. They just see glimpses of what's happening to this person's life.

Jack: Even if, let's say they had a hundred percent of the information.

Jack: Why the f*** are they saying anything about somebody else's life?

Cristina: Well, if they knew 100%, that's. I don't know. Wouldn't anyone do that?

Jack: Like if he's your best friend screaming at this stranger who just makes good music.

Cristina: If they knew everything about that person.

Jack: That is the case. I mean, maybe the background of the reality of the matter, but who cares? It's not their life anyway, is to be out there judging. But then again, I guess would the argument then be that the point is for that attention of defense involvement? It's kind of part of the thing.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. It makes no sense.

Jack: Like if you want to be famous, that kind of comes with it.

Cristina: Exactly. That's the dangerous odd thing about it.

Jack: Mm.

Cristina: That's the uniquely American thing. I feel like. Like, yes, there are famous people in other countries, of course, but I don't know if it's the same as over here. Like if a celebrity over there goes out, is it the same as a celebrity going out in public over here? Like they get the same attention? Are people freaking out as people the.

Jack: Riot over certain celebrities?

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Like in other countries too.

Cristina: In other countries, yes.

Jack: I think if you were to put somebody like Lionel Messi and the. Lionel Messi, the. The football player.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And you were to put him versus some countries, government. Not a particularly patriotic country. Like, okay, just an average patriotic country. Some normal amount of patriotism. Baseline. And you put those.

Cristina: No, it wouldn't be the same if it was over here. If he was as important to us, he would. It would be different. Like thinking of like Formula one and how they go everywhere in the country and they don't get any. Like. Like when they came to America this last time and the whole celebrity treatment of like introducing each one with a. This is this person and this is what he's known for, even though it's not really. But like, come on, you don't need an intro like that. None of the other formula races had some weird intro about this person that feels very celebrity. Like to give a driver an actual intro. Like he is a celebrity. That is so celebrity.

Jack: That's the most decidalization.

Cristina: Yes. That wasn't like, what, what's that?

Jack: But this is what I'll tell you. That Was only awkward because they've never done it before.

Cristina: But the per. The people that did it was the Americans who.

Jack: No, no, no.

Cristina: Do that.

Jack: People that they were introducing have never done it before. Because we're very used to people just being. Being introduced in America.

Cristina: Yes, America.

Jack: And it being absolutely natural. And we're just like this. Yeah, this is. We don't question it.

Cristina: It literally happens normally because of celebrities. Yes. It's like when we give them awards and crap. It's like a normal for the drivers.

Jack: It's the same thing. It's like when you're in an award show and there's like a. Let's say a roast. It's about the guy they're roasting. But there's a bunch of other people here.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You don't need to know who the h*** they are. It's about this other guy. But you know, they'll still introduce them and have a little. Oh, it's this guy.

Cristina: Oh, that's still very American.

Jack: And I know it's very American. I'm saying that that's exactly why these people don't get it. And that's why they're awkward when they walk in there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And in doing so, because they're not used to this very American tradition, something that would be absolutely normal came across weird because they were stiff and unnatural. But we're used to dumb wack hype men saying irrelevant nonsense. It doesn't check out.

Cristina: It was so unrelated though. It's like so ridiculous. Some of the things they were saying. I can't remember all the things, but like one of them was like he was once his enemy. Now they're riding side by side like that's.

Jack: Oh, it's so enemies.

Cristina: Like everyone. You're competing against his enemies. Like, I don't think he wants to be known as someone's enemy when he was just someone who was writing against him, equal to everyone else. Like there was nothing unique about him. Their rivalry beforehand of being partners. So that information for him to be known as that in this intro makes no sense.

Jack: No. I guarantee you by such a huge, ridiculously large margin that those quotes and those taglines that they were spitting when they were introducing the F1 drivers was in response to the Drive to Survive Netflix television series and the narratives that were.

Cristina: That one specific though. No.

Jack: Which one was it?

Cristina: It was Okon and Gastly. He was saying Okon was. It was Okon's introduction as being the rival to Gastly. But now you guys are partners. But like, no, Okan. Yes. He was his rival, but in a way, like, he's everyone's rival except for whoever his current partner is. Like, that's how he was his rival. He wasn't his specific rival. What a dumb intro. What a dumb intro. Of all intros. That's the most embarrassing intro of all intros. Like, why even give Oukan an intro if you're gonna do him like that? Because you can say that about anyone. You could be like, anyone. De Breez is Max's rival. The breeze. Like, who cares? Who cares? You're all rivals. Even partners are rivals. Like, what are you saying? That means nothing to anyone. That's just saying things to say things. Dumb intro.

Jack: Why do we do that? Why do we do the intro? But as I'm thinking this, as I'm thinking this, like, why do we do this? I bet. I bet this total perspective mindfuck moment right now that when, like, our president visits a different country and we see a complete ceremony done by people from a different country, and we're like, oh, that's fascinating. You know, what a weird presidential thing. Well, mention that in any other situation, somebody goes to whatever, and there's a whole thing that happens. The people of whatever group of people is performing the thing are probably like, man, why do our people always do this s*** when people come over? What the f***?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: The same way we're reacting to our own stuff. This is just what Americans do.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And so they all. They're also. We go to their country and they throw us a big party in a way that we're like, oh, wow, this is cool. Foreign party. Their people are like, man, why are they always going to that ancient s***? We party like normal people out here. Meanwhile, they're doing the whole ritualized thing because it is really weird. It is so weird. But whatever. That's what we do.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: America. I don't know.

Cristina: We should just stick to just doing the national anthem like every other country. Or at least with that. It feels like that's all they do. They just like, here is our song and some fireworks.

Jack: Yes. And then we go the end balls out through a whole introduction.

Cristina: Here's some C list celebrities. D list of celebrities. I don't know. What do you think of LL Cool J? Where's his list? Where is he on your list of celebrity? He's not a list.

Jack: You think there's a tier list of celebrities?

Cristina: There is a tier list. There's definitely a tier list.

Jack: Like, I. I guess somebody had to literally make this at some point. Because everybody on Earth knows about just calling somebody an A lister. It must literally be a list. Of course there would be.

Cristina: I don't know if there's actually a list. But still, in your mind, like a.

Jack: Collective we all agree on.

Cristina: What do you think of LL Cool J and Will? I am. Where are they on your list? They're not your S tier. They're not even your A tier.

Jack: Oh, crap.

Cristina: There's no way.

Jack: Okay. S tier is small, right? Let's go. So then. No, they're not in my S here. I'm just trying to calculate the size and, like, how hard it would be to get into any of these tiers. They're definitely not us too. That's an impossibility for either of them.

Cristina: S here is probably, like Leonardo DiCaprio. Like, he's not.

Jack: I think he's a definitely.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: It's like, I think he's like top tier A.

Cristina: Well, like, him and Tom Hanks aren't doing the best they can. Like, they're so skilled, I think. I think, like, think about it. Like, I'm not saying they're not. I guess they're. They like, think what?

Jack: So we're a Tom Hanks.

Cristina: Tom Hanks.

Jack: S tier celebrity.

Cristina: Oh, no, I'm thinking of actors. Okay. Yes. As celebrities. Know, as actors. There's got their S tier. As celebrities.

Jack: No, definitely the top.

Cristina: Yes. Yes. Okay. Celebrities. No, no, no, no, no. But as. Yeah, I was. Because I think I forgot.

Jack: S tier is like celebrity wise. Doesn't matter where the h*** you are. I feel like the queen's more known than Jesus. Think about that real quick. Think about that real quick.

Cristina: The Queen, Taylor Swift is S tier for some reason.

Jack: Yeah. That's a real phenomenon. If the BTS guys. Yes, they are S tier. As. Yeah, they might be the topest. S tier. They might be David Hasselhoff. That's strong, dude. I guess well known.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Jackie Chan.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. These are like worldwide.

Jack: Worldwide. These are global phenomenons.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay. So where is ll Barack Obama and.

Jack: Donald Trump a tier S though? They were both S. No, I think a what?

Cristina: In the moment they were S. But I feel like now that they're not.

Jack: Everybody'S going to know who they are.

Cristina: But I think, like, slowly it'll fade away.

Jack: I mean, I guess about as the same way that, like, I bet.

Cristina: I think the Queen will last a little longer than them.

Jack: H*** yes.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: Like, that's stapled forever, I think. So the Pope is us here.

Cristina: Yeah, maybe.

Jack: H***, yes.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Everybody else.

Cristina: Okay. But the Two main dudes I want to know is, where is LL Cool J and Will? I am. Well, we gotta work our way of celebrities.

Jack: We gotta work our way down to get to where we believe there'll be a lot of comment. We got to put other people in that category before we can really tell.

Cristina: So we got these S tiers.

Jack: We got a bunch of S tiers. They're definitely not there. Who are A list celebrities. A list level of fame and contribution and knownness.

Cristina: I don't know every actress and music artist that's known. I don't know a lot of them. A lot of them.

Jack: Like Jennifer Lawrence.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Johnny Depp.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And Jason Momoa. No, no.

Cristina: Which one's Jason Momoa? Isn't he that guy that you don't find attractive? Yeah.

Jack: His face is so ugly, but women love him.

Cristina: Yeah, but I don't think that's an A tier. Like, he's very recent and he's. I don't think he's that known. He's known for one role that's like a. That's a. That's a one hit wonder.

Jack: No, he's also.

Cristina: He's a one hit wonder.

Jack: Aquaman. And he's a guy in the. The. The. The Game of Thrones.

Cristina: They only care about his Aquaman appearance. That's a one hit wonder. Okay.

Jack: Isn't Game of Thrones a picture?

Cristina: I don't think. I don't think so. No, no.

Jack: He was in stuff.

Cristina: He's in stuff. I'm sure. But he's only. He's a one hit wonder with ladies. They only care about him as a fish man. That is it. He. That was his one who hit one day. Yeah. Merman. He's more of a DC maybe. He's only known for one movie and that movie wasn't great. It was just. He was hot in it.

Jack: You only know him for one thing. He's seen a couple of things, but.

Cristina: None of them are, like, amazing. No one's talking about them. What are they? You don't even know what they are. I'm sure you just know that he's in things. There's many celebs, many actors and actresses.

Jack: Who are in things and many more that. Yeah, I know. Fair. Okay, okay. Like, I can't defeat that point.

Cristina: He's a C at best.

Jack: Fair enough.

Cristina: No, I feel like he's not. He's.

Jack: No, no, no. He's like. He's upper C, lower B. I'm not having this discussion.

Cristina: He's not B.

Jack: He's well Known it. Well, we got.

Cristina: No. Being known for one thing doesn't count.

Jack: Well, look, listen to me, listen to me. We haven't even put people in a. To know.

Cristina: We did. I put Obama and Donald Trump as a no, because we're putting the Queen.

Jack: As S. No, they're the Pope. They're definitely. They're not s. They're not as known, but there's like, there's a bottom of us. Who cares?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Bottom of s. Yeah, the bottom of us. But they're still known globally. But, like, way globally. Do you understand? Like, that's the goal here. They're super ultra known.

Cristina: He's not Obama. No. The fish man.

Jack: No, I'm just saying that they. That Obama and Trump belong in that state.

Cristina: Okay, so who goes in a. Most celebrities.

Jack: Leonardo DiCaprio. I don't think he's super mega, ultra global. That's an A tier celebrity. He's very well known.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: He's globally known, but not extremely. It's like people know him around the world.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're not obsessed like Taylor Swift.

Jack: Okay, Taylor Swift.

Cristina: That's S tier. And Pete bts.

Jack: Bts? Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And who else is looking for a. A tier? Clooney. Eminem. George Clooney is Eminem. Bottom S. How well known is Eminem?

Cristina: Pretty well known.

Jack: Well, okay. Argument. There are some people so well known, they're known by the teenagers as well as the adult. But there are globally known people that aren't so well known. And I think BTS actually gets knocked down a hard bunch and comes way to the bottom of S tier. When you consider the fact that throughout the history of the Queen's life, only until recently was it not important who the Queen was to the entire world.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: She was known by everyone.

Cristina: We just put her in S here and then everyone else in a tier. Yeah.

Jack: That pumps a lot. That's a real hard. Same thing with the Pope.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's such a huge deal.

Cristina: Okay. Her and the Pope and.

Jack: Yeah, like, that's a real special other cat. No.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because then Taylor Swift is actually the top of a.

Cristina: The top of it. Okay. All right. Okay. So then we got a lot of A tiers. We got 2s tiers. That sounds right.

Jack: So wait, now we're confirming the Trump, Obama, Taylor Swift, bts. That's. Those are super mega stars. A tier.

Cristina: A tier.

Jack: Super A tier.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But d***, now B tier is gonna. It's gonna feel way wrong. Maybe there's still the bottom of a**. Right?

Cristina: I don't know. Because Eminem is eight here.

Jack: Yeah, he would fit there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Oh, he would be sick. The bottom of S if he was.

Cristina: No, he's now A. They're all A. So that we can have some B now, Jade. LL Cool J and a B.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Stop lying.

Jack: He's. He's pretty well known. He's kind of.

Cristina: Who?

Jack: In the United States?

Cristina: Absolutely the United States.

Jack: Then outside of the United States. By pockets of people. For sure.

Cristina: Pockets of people in the United States. Not all of the United States.

Jack: All of the United States very well known. And then pockets of people outside of the United States.

Cristina: Because I don't know him very well. I know that he rapped once.

Jack: A pocket and what else?

Cristina: And maybe he was acting. I don't really know anything though.

Jack: Have you ever heard his music?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: How do you know all this?

Cristina: That's all I know. I know he was known. Is that good enough? Just being known to be known?

Jack: Is being famous, the celebrity?

Cristina: I don't know because I don't know anyone who's crazy about him. Doesn't that count as something?

Jack: That's why he's not s tier.

Cristina: Ah. Or a tier or a tier. Does that make him be tier?

Jack: I guess obsession would throw them in a tier depending.

Cristina: How many people are very obsessed Matter a lot when it comes to being celebrity. Not right. That's what we're talking about.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: Not how well he is in any of his crafts, but how much people are obsessed with him.

Jack: How many people love them and how much.

Cristina: And you think many people are in love with him? Is it how many people are in love with him? Or just people who know of him? That's two different things. Or like the higher up you are, the more people love you.

Jack: I think evil parts. It goes up equal parts. And the more intense the hate too.

Cristina: Yes, but he doesn't get any hate or love. Or he does get some love but not really much hate. I think he's not much love either. Cause like who cares? LL Cool day. Who cares? He's from the 80s. Our parents maybe.

Jack: But you know of him without knowing s*** about him without ever having.

Cristina: Because.

Jack: That'S.

Cristina: That's super celebrity super is like. What's his name? Michael Jackson, who's dead. But still I hear his music. I like his music. A tier he did maybe LL Cool J. How many songs do you know from him name in the song? He had probably a one hit wonder. He. I think he's a one hit wonder type of dude.

Jack: So exaggerated.

Cristina: I think he is LL Cool J.

Jack: Had a lot of good songs, I guarantee you.

Cristina: I bet not.

Jack: I bet you heard a lot of them.

Cristina: I bet not. I bet I heard like one or two.

Jack: That's. That's an interesting art because you can.

Cristina: Be famous with just one awesome thing. No, like, that's all it takes to be famous. Like Rick Roll, he's famous for making a film.

Jack: That's such a special instance.

Cristina: No, it's not. There's many celebrities who are just one hit wonders. And he might be one of them. I'm not saying he is one, but I'm sure he is one. You're gonna look for his songs. You're gonna see how many of them you know how many of them you know.

Jack: Mama said knock you out.

Cristina: You love that song.

Jack: I don't love that song.

Cristina: You just know that song.

Jack: Okay, but you also know that song. Song.

Cristina: Okay, yes, and I know that they liked it. But do I care?

Jack: You have to like it some. A lot of people will love them. You're in the hater group. You're not in the intense hater group. But it's also a spectrum of haters and lovers.

Cristina: Yes, and I just don't care.

Jack: Yeah, you're in the apathetic hate side.

Cristina: And was he even care, like was he awesome in that song or was he just one of the people in that song? And also, that's just one song. That proves he's a one hit one there. Unless you name another song.

Jack: Fear I should at least see one more song.

Cristina: Just name one more song.

Jack: Just one.

Cristina: I know there is, but if you don't name it, then he's a one hit wonder.

Jack: You believe? I can see at least one. This goes way back.

Cristina: I. Because he's from the 80s.

Jack: 85. Jesus. Something. Something's gonna say that he's not.

Cristina: He should have been on this one. But until you name it, he's the one hit wonder in our books.

Jack: So far.

Cristina: Just one song, man. One other song. I mean, no, no, just by the title. Can you figure it out?

Jack: Because just anything being remembered is what leads to fame, right? Oh, man, I almost said knockout. Came out pretty late. Yeah, man, I guess you said I don't know any of this. I don't know, bro.

Cristina: Exactly. But if you look the list of like Michael Jackson songs, you know, I would know. You would know.

Jack: So many of them.

Cristina: You would know. So is this a one hit wonder? Is he really? Actually, no.

Jack: I think he was. I think a local. Was a real cultural phenomenon, but I think it was primarily in The United States. And I think it was for a brief moment in history and I think people remembered. It's not a one hit wonder. He had a lot of music that a lot of people do know off the top of their heads. He's very well known. People sing along at his concerts that sell out or do.

Cristina: Do they.

Jack: Okay, you got my point. Like it was. Yeah, it was real big.

Cristina: A celebrity back then should still be considered a celebrity right now. Currently, like yes, maybe once upon a time he was an A or an S if you want to say. I doubt S. But you can say A. Sure.

Jack: Oh, you can. Once upon a time is your argument. Yes, interesting.

Cristina: So you see currently what he was.

Jack: You're seeing one day Eminem might be a D tier.

Cristina: It's possible, but it's possible not because we have Michael Jackson as an example of someone who has not from.

Jack: In the past and. Yes, but he. I mean, I guess he didn't. Yeah, he didn't die that long ago either.

Cristina: He died a while ago.

Jack: He became White Jackson. He lived a white man's life for a couple of years. He died in like 2009 or something.

Cristina: 2009 was quite a while ago.

Jack: 10 years ago. It wasn't like he died in the 80s and he's still super prominent. But I bet if he died in the 20s, I bet 40 years from like, you know who's in.

Cristina: He died in 2009. Yeah.

Jack: You know who's the next tier celebrity? Because we can push the Queen down maybe. I bet Hitler is an S tier celebrity.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So well known.

Cristina: But you also have to be equally as liked as hated. And he has no like he's just known and hated. There has to be a combo of all three happening. Interesting, because also there has to be obsession as well. I guess the obsession is counted as a mixture of the three of like he's known, he's loved and he's aided, therefore he's obsessed over.

Jack: He must be known, he must be loved, he must be hated, therefore obsessed over. That's so.

Cristina: I like that he's obsessed. It's kind of like in between. In between. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: I guess the obsession is the name of both those things. Otherwise they're just abstract emotions.

Cristina: Yeah, like John Lennon that we were talking about earlier. He was obsessed. Someone killed him.

Jack: Obsessive.

Cristina: He was. It was obsessive. It was hate, but it was love. There was love that was.

Jack: Why was it love?

Cristina: Because that person was a fan and then he felt like he turned on him, therefore he hated him, therefore he had to die.

Jack: Strong emotion.

Cristina: Exactly. That's. That is what being a celebrity.

Jack: But also that. Here's what I'm thinking about this too.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: You. Because in a situation like that. That's not that John Lennon was so much of a celebrity, so freaking famous. There's more famous people. It's the fact that he was famous enough to be known by so many people that he was bound to be known by an unstable person.

Cristina: But he was world widely known. Like he was famous not just from his country. He was. The world knew him.

Jack: Yeah. Think about how many unstable people must have known about the Queen.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That maybe would have made a move if it was even possible. But we just don't hear about it because it gets taken down before it even starts.

Cristina: That's true. Yeah. How many people you think went after ll Coogee?

Jack: I don't think anybody has ever gone after ll Coogee.

Cristina: Do you think anyone went after Michael Jackson? I think his family.

Jack: I bet so.

Cristina: I think so too. Yes, I think so.

Jack: I bet. Yeah. Somebody at some point.

Cristina: There is a difference.

Jack: I bet. I bet somebody really tried to stand out. Eminem. I bet that's real.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I bet they tried to do that. The little win.

Cristina: Yeah. There just some people, you know, like. Yeah. Their life isn't that safe because they're a celebrity.

Jack: I know David Hasselhoff doesn't go around trusting people.

Cristina: Yeah. But do you think LL Cool is suffering that?

Jack: No, I think LL is in fact fading into obscurity.

Cristina: So you think it's A, B, C, D. Yeah.

Jack: The argument is where? Inside his. Yeah. So I would say CC right now, you see. Yeah. Like a low because B would be known here heavily. And then pockets everywhere.

Cristina: And what would cb So C would just be like. It's here.

Jack: Pockets just really well in one place or pockets all over the place. And so he's somewhere in like C, right.

Cristina: Yeah, I think so. Like, there's people who definitely like, know him. I don't know if obsessed with him, but there's definitely people who know him well. People who probably really hate him. But then it's not as. It's not the world. It's not.

Jack: Yeah. He has significantly. So then the argument is that, yes, if you are falling off of the ranks, you're eventually going to fade into obscurity.

Cristina: The time. Unless. Yes. Except for those few like Michael Jackson. Like, it's just different. It's just different.

Jack: Yeah. There was something so phenomenal that's gonna last forever. Think Frank Sinatra.

Cristina: Frank Sinatra.

Jack: Now the Question is, is Frank Sinatra global?

Cristina: No. He might be. Frank Sinatra.

Jack: Very American.

Cristina: No. Oh, crap. B. I'm gonna give him a B. If I'm putting Michael Jackson in B, I guess I'll put Frank Sinatra in Brie.

Jack: Interesting. Are we to say music is more powerful than acting?

Cristina: No, I don't think so. I think it depends on the person.

Jack: In the case of Frank Sinatra, we can't compare him because it was both.

Cristina: Yeah, but LL coolj has been in movies and shows and stuff, and, like, do you care about any of that?

Jack: Well, here's a question. Is LL Cool J less or more famous than his counterpart Ice Cube or his other counterpart, Ice T?

Cristina: Is there something about Ivy having ice in their name? Why is there. Which one is Ice T? I remember Ice Cue. I just. I don't remember Ice T. Ice T.

Jack: Is the one who's in all the line order shows.

Cristina: That's not Ice Cube. Oh, crap. I don't know who's.

Jack: I see. Ice.

Cristina: Oh, I know. Ice Tea. Okay.

Jack: It's the guy from that movie where he was like, babysitting some children or something.

Cristina: That's not iced tea. I think that's ice tea, too. Are you sure?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: No, it's not Ice Cube. Oh, my gosh. What's the difference? Oh, my gosh. No, no. It's just Google is not being nice to me. Ice Q, ice Tea. They're not the same. Ice Q is younger than Ice T. Yeah. There's no way they were around the same time.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Okay. Ice T&LL Cool J, maybe, right?

Jack: Ice T&LL. Yeah, I guess. Yeah. They must be closer by default.

Cristina: Ice Cube is lame. Ice Tea I think is cool. Although he's just in law and ordered. I think that's cool about him. There's something whack cool about him that I think Ice Cube and LL Cool J are just whack. But I think.

Jack: No, I'll give you this. That there's some. The problem is Ice T has this characteristic that makes him a really chill. Like, he's a really chill guy, but he's like straight up, like, he'll be dangerous if he has him. He's old school gangster type.

Cristina: Yeah. And not like these other guys probably try to act, but, you know, you don't feel it. Yeah.

Jack: And I don't literally mean he's been in gangs. I don't know. But I mean that kind of personality.

Cristina: Of a real attitude that you can believe.

Jack: Yeah. Like, he's not. He's. Yes. He's just a powerful character. That comes across honest. It doesn't put. Come across like a front.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And those other guys are just like. I mean, you're probably making it up, bro.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You're probably the first one to make it up.

Cristina: Yeah. How's Snoop Dogg? What do you think he is?

Jack: Snoop Dogg goes hard. That dude might definitely be like an a tier celebrity.

Cristina: Dr. Dre.

Jack: Hey. He's. He's interestingly enough becoming only a name. And what he looks like is fading into the background. Which means he is slowly fading into obscurity. He would be. He might be at the bottom of A or at the top of B. I wouldn't say the top of B. I think that's it.

Cristina: Top Will I am. We never got to him, man.

Jack: Here's what's crazy. I'm really familiar with who Will I am as and at the same time.

Cristina: I think he's a little bit cringe.

Jack: He is. He's very cringe. And I don't really know him. Like I, I know I. But also don't know him. Like, I don't follow him. I don't. I'm never interested in finding out more. He's just when he's there, like, cool. He showed up.

Cristina: He's a singer, but he's not a celebrity.

Jack: So he is a celebrity, but he's just like way down there. Tier. He's the type of celebrity who has a lot of fans spread out throughout the world. Not that he has a lot of fans in the world. No, he has a lot of fans.

Cristina: He has.

Jack: They are all spread out across the world. You get my point.

Cristina: He has fans and they're across the world. I wouldn't say a lot of fans.

Jack: Yeah, exactly like he has. Maybe the average musician has. Let's say Michael Jackson is too exaggerated. Who's more normal based? Average Ice cube. You think? No, that's way lower. I am thinking like Jimmy Fallon. Jimmy Fallon's a baseline celebrity.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess he's been on late night long enough.

Cristina: Kids. I guess there's people who like it.

Jack: I don't know who he is. Maybe they don't necessarily know where he started or his history, but they know of him.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: He's very baseline guy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: What was my point?

Cristina: That Liam is baseman.

Jack: I guess Will I am is relative.

Cristina: To like people know him, but who cares?

Jack: I think he's less known than Jimmy Fallon.

Cristina: He's less.

Jack: I think William is less known than Jimmy Fallon.

Cristina: I don't think people care about Jimmy Fallon either though.

Jack: But I think he's well Known. I think it's fair. A lot of people like him and a lot of people don't.

Cristina: Yeah. Which is being part of a celebrity. So.

Jack: Which is being part of celebrity.

Cristina: But do a lot of people like and hate? Well, I am. I don't even know if a lot of people hate him.

Jack: I know a lot of people hate him. Which means equal parts.

Cristina: I like. They hate more the band. I don't know if they hate him. I don't know if he's that famous that they're looking at him.

Jack: It's possible they just hated Fergie without knowing it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Because she left and then the music spike into quality was ridiculous.

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: Like, they were just fire.

Cristina: But they were no one without before her. They were no one.

Jack: She brought the fame. She brought the fame and they actually couldn't really sustain it.

Cristina: Yeah. So once she awkward.

Jack: And then she. She went to still be a famous musician on her own.

Cristina: Yeah. How embarrassing is that?

Jack: She brought the face. They don't know how to market themselves. Their marketer is Will. I am.

Cristina: Dude, they suck.

Jack: He's some stupid.

Cristina: If she's standing out over them when she has a froggy like, voice.

Jack: Yes. Alone. She's standing alone above these three grown men.

Cristina: Good. They're decent. I guess.

Jack: Yeah. They're okay.

Cristina: They're okay.

Jack: They're okay. Like, look, I wouldn't b out if. Okay. This goes back to this original point of this conversation, which is you don't even got to like, will I am or care. People are so weird. It would still freak out if they saw him at an airport. Oh, my.

Cristina: I probably wouldn't notice him.

Jack: I'm in them people. You'd notice him because everybody's going to be freaking out. They don't give a s*** about him. Never had a single unless he had.

Cristina: A shirt on that said, well, I am.

Jack: People would know. Some people would make a big deal and some people would gather around him. I bet it's annoying.

Cristina: Maybe one person would whisper, hey, isn't that William? I feel like that's what would happen.

Jack: Like, do you think we could just find Will? I am casually walking.

Cristina: Yes. Without interrupt. Yes.

Jack: 100%.

Cristina: 100%. I feel like maybe you'll be like, doesn't that guy look like William?

Jack: Could we find them being followed by people?

Cristina: No, I don't think so. That's a true celebrity. But no, I don't think Will I am in that type of celebrity where people are like, oh, my gosh, do.

Jack: You think it's Staged when people do that. If he does have people following him.

Cristina: Yes, I would definitely think that. Yes. Like, if it was someone like Keanu Reeves, I would be like, oh, that's Keanu Reeves.

Jack: Wait, you think Keanu Reeves is global phenomenon?

Cristina: I think so. In the. Maybe not global, but American phenomena. Yes.

Jack: Are there movies like John Wick in other countries or is that also very American?

Cristina: That's probably American, but I don't know.

Jack: Super Mega awesome Man. Awesome man.

Cristina: Yeah. I think we love him.

Jack: And superheroes and he's essentially a superhero.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I don't. Man. There's something wrong with the world he lives in.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: What?

Cristina: Everybody's a hitman, so that's the world he lives in. That's.

Jack: I guess it's Earth. Or if it is.

Cristina: It is. Yeah.

Jack: Where everybody in New York is a hit person, so. But not even in.

Cristina: Just in Fast and Furious. They're all geniuses who fight crime easily and whatever. Like, they're all super strong, super smart, super everything. The Fast and Furious people are perfect in every way. Like Keanu Reeves is and John Wick. That doesn't even make sense. This doesn't make sense. What are you talking about?

Jack: It does not. I still believe John Wick versus Fast and Furious would be amazing.

Cristina: I know. Someone make our movie. It's a great movie. Buy it.

Jack: Yeah, buy the idea off.

Cristina: Come on. Dom, or whatever your real name is, what type of. What celebrity rating will you give him? Who? Dom. Whatever.

Jack: His real name is Diesel.

Cristina: Ben Diesel.

Jack: He's bottom.

Cristina: No, he's upper C. You're an S tier to me. Bendy Ben Diesel. I don't even know his name.

Jack: In your personal list. He's an S tier.

Cristina: You're an S tier. Buy my movie.

Jack: He should tell. Oh, fair enough. Yes. Vin Diesel.

Cristina: Vin Diesel. Vin Diesel. Vin.

Jack: What did you call him?

Cristina: Ben.

Jack: Ben Diesel.

Cristina: Who calls their child Vin Diesel? His name is not really Ben.

Jack: Maybe he thought it was cool. He. Come on, dude. He's the type of guy who would think a name like that is edgy or something. His name is really Vin.

Cristina: I don't know. It's gotta be. No, it's Mark.

Jack: Mark quote. Vin.

Cristina: Mark Sinclair.

Jack: His whole name is a stage name.

Cristina: Yeah, his name. He's got the whitest name. Oh, my God. Mark Sinclair. I'm very shocked. Well, Mark Sinclair, you are S tier.

Jack: Okay?

Cristina: I'm so obsessed with you, Mark. Your name is so beautiful. I love it.

Jack: Are you disappointed by the name?

Cristina: I'm more disappointed in Vin Diesel being his stage name than I am of his actual name. His actual name is beautiful. It's like an angel's name. I don't know why he would replace it with Vin Diesel.

Jack: Mark Sinclair.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. An angel's name.

Cristina: Yes. Mark Sinclair. That's so cute. That is so cute. Vin Diesel.

Jack: Yeah. He wants to be totally jacked, bro. Wants to be all swole. He wants his name to be all swole. Diesel. I'm all swole. He shaves his head.

Cristina: Dominic Toretto. That's so crazy. That's not his real. His stage name.

Jack: Exercise neck, folds more. That's why he shaves his head so that's more visible.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: He's all swole. He shaves his whole body so he looks more swole.

Cristina: Vin Diesel, you're great. I love you. You're S class. Make some more Chronicles. Everettic movies, please.

Jack: Actually, yeah, do that, please. But also buy this movie.

Cristina: Buy this movie and just say that it was inspired by our storytelling. It doesn't have to be money. What?

Jack: Pay us. He should buy it from us.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. But I don't want him to say that it's based on it. I want him to say specifically inspired. We inspired him. Sounds so beautiful.

Jack: It's poetic.

Cristina: It's poetic. Yeah.

Jack: He inspired him. That's total cop out too. I'm sure many movies say inspired by the events of. And it's like, what? What do you mean?

Cristina: Yes, yes. Inspired by a conversation of these two random people. How do we introduce ourselves? Jack and Christina.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yes. Beautiful. I love it.

Jack: Inspired by the conversations with Jack and Christy.

Cristina: What? Of these random people?

Jack: Of these random people.

Cristina: Jack and Christy. What? How awesome would that be on the screen? Or should we hear a voice with it should just say it. No, I feel like it should just say. And you read it and it's like, wow. What do you think?

Jack: I think that's a great, phenomenal plan. But no, I'm just thinking like, we are crazy as people, right? Humanity is obsessed with celebrity. We're very, very obsessed with celebrity. We idolize them, we follow them. We can't differentiate between when something one, involves us and two, when it's real or how to react. Sending death threats to somebody.

Cristina: Yes. People dying over that.

Jack: But I wonder how. It's just a numb. I bet. I bet those death straps are serious too. When you just think of the statistic probability of the people they're grabbing so many people.

Cristina: I bet Nintendo is more famous than both Vin Diesel and LL Cool J. In celebrity wise is higher class. Yes. Probably a Class. It's not even a person. And I think it's more famous than the actual.

Jack: Now we're. Now we're going back to the S classes because obviously Apple and Samsung. Yeah, without a doubt.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. I think there's some companies that are more human beings. They're probably like a class. I wouldn't say S class car dealers.

Jack: Nissan isn't globally famous.

Cristina: I don't know. I don't know what they are to most of the countries.

Jack: Maybe we're the only people over importing them.

Cristina: Cars are very specific to countries.

Jack: Disneyland is a class.

Cristina: A class. Yeah. It's. It's in around the world.

Jack: It's like high up a. Mm. It's almost us.

Cristina: It's almost us.

Jack: Children know about Disney and Disneyland. Adults know about Disney and Disneyland.

Cristina: And there are Disneylands spread out throughout the world.

Jack: S***. It might. I think everybody knows about Disneyland in s***. Disneyland might be higher up than the Queen.

Cristina: Disneyland.

Jack: You think Disneyland is more known than the Queen?

Cristina: If you're counting children, yes.

Jack: Everybody. Just fame in general.

Cristina: Yeah. I don't know. I think because it's so many places, I think it's. There's one in Paris. I think there's one, like, in Japan.

Jack: And everybody wants to go. And it's supposed to be this wonderful, great place. Place.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's become tradition for some people.

Cristina: Yes. Like, when you think of summer, you think of, like, I want to go to Disney. Or like, celebrities, for some reason, their answer to winning. What are you going to do? I'm going to go to Disney. That was a weird stereotype of, like, what celebrities should say when they win a reward or something. I don't know.

Jack: Go to Disneyland.

Cristina: Why would they actually want to do that? These professional players?

Jack: Like, I want to go to Disneyland. Yeah, that. Okay, fair enough. It would be great if they did it super out of, like, the mood.

Cristina: Like, if they actually meant it.

Jack: Yeah. If they were like, I just finished beating Anderson Silva in an MMA fight and the announcer walks up to me, there's like, you've won. What are you gonna do with the victory money? And I'm like, I want to go to Disneyland. Like, that's such a contrast.

Cristina: I think those people were paid to say those things. So, like, there's no way all these celebrities actually want to go to Disneyland.

Jack: You think they're just advertising Disneyland?

Cristina: Yeah, I think Disney could afford that.

Jack: When you. Yeah. When you reach a certain level of fame, anything you say is marketable. See, so if you're like, I love Cheerios and You're Obama. Suddenly all your followers love Cheerios. It's the greatest cereal ever.

Cristina: Actually, that's part of being a celebrity that we didn't even talk about. Oh, yeah, yeah. People obsess over the things. You seemingly obsess. Not even.

Jack: Don't even have to obsess.

Cristina: You just like it.

Jack: You like it one time and they'll wear it forever.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Obsession is a weird thing, man. So. But obsession is essentially catching people. No. Because you could be a normal person, see a celebrity and freak out. That's another thing you have to be able to do. You have to flip casual people.

Cristina: That's what being a celebrity is.

Jack: That's part of it. That's another part of it. Like a person who most people are like, oh, yeah, he's Bob. He's always like that. But every time Bob sees a guy who plays Neil, what is it? Neil Swanson. Ron Swanson. His name is Nick Offerman. Every time he sees Nick Offerman, he spazzes out. Because that's his example of a manly man. But any other moment, he's just a casual, quiet, like, tree cutter guy. He's a super mega fan of Nick Offerman. Super fan of, like. They gotta flip normal people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Into this crazy panic. I know. Michael Jackson made that happen. Or he was so famous. He also grabbed the people that are crazy like that. And those are the people showing up collectively. Yes, they're showing up together. There are also many people who won't buy your concert tickets and like your music.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But they can just get it at home. Why would they go through the whole trouble of going to the. Which means essentially, a concert is trying to catch the more dedicated, slightly crazier fans. They're a little more obsessed.

Cristina: I know, but the concerts are also for people who just want to say, I did a thing.

Jack: And concerts are also for people to. Even if they don't care about live music, to go there, to hang out with people of like minds.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I guess there's a million reasons to go to concerts. I guess that's the real moral of this episode. What the real moral of this episode is there are many ways you can go to a concert. Or many, not many ways. Many reasons. Many reasons as to why you can go to a concert. That's the moral of the story. Everything that we're talking about has been about that.

Cristina: No, it hasn't. It's about weird celebrityism.

Jack: Yeah. And tearing them up the celebrity tier list.

Cristina: Celebrity. I think we did a bad job.

Jack: I think. Look, I think we need to take this seriously and make legit celebrity tier lists and then discuss our celebrity tier list and why we believe it breaks down that way.

Cristina: Okay, I'll bring some. I'll make my own list. You make your own list. And then we compare this.

Jack: Yes. And then we try to make one list based on the arguments from the ones we don't agree on.

Cristina: Yep. I like that idea.

Jack: That checks out.

Cristina: That checks out. I hope we pick some that are, like, in different tier lists. Like, say, Eminem. Like, I'm sure if we both had him, where would we put him? Will we put him different spots?

Jack: Interesting. Would you put him higher or lower?

Cristina: Yeah, we'll find out in that episode.

Jack: Interesting. I dig it. I'm excited.

Cristina: But we have to pick different types of, like, it can't just be musicians.

Jack: Or just actors or whatever.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah.

Jack: Just famous people. Yeah, just really, really famous people. We're gonna try to see if we can successfully pin down a group of people.

Cristina: Yes. We should have, like, in our individual list, like, maybe, I don't know, five. Three to five in each category.

Jack: Interesting. I like where you're coming from.

Cristina: I feel like three sounds good.

Jack: Five sounds nice too.

Cristina: Okay. Because like, if we have different people in S, but then we agree with each other's S or something like that, that's a lot of people in S. Yes.

Jack: But also, what are the odds of that?

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: If there's S, we're probably gonna think of the same people.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're probably gonna think of the same people for some A's.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then that's more like.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah. And towards the bottom is probably gonna.

Jack: Be more people because that's the people who factually we know less of.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which runs an interesting experiment we had in this that comes from this conversation, which is you're probably gonna know about people and think people know about them that I have no clue about and vice versa.

Cristina: Yes, yes. And we'll find out. Okay, so we got a project.

Jack: Yes. Cool. Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed us having this completely aimless conversation. You guys can contact us, talk to us, tell us, give us your thoughts on celebrities and how they line up and who falls on your tier list as opposed. You do that @justconvo, pod on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, TikTok.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review our show.

Jack: Yes. And tell people about the program. Word of mouth is extremely overpowered. And if you tell people that you like it, it's.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Are there stories of Pegasus around that area?

Jack: Around the Bermuda Triangle?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There are an absurd amount of flying objects seen there, but none that reflect a horse. But there are many white flying objects. Particularly white. It's always white. It's always a white flying object. They think it's a round cloud. You've heard that, right? The round cloud in the Bermuda Triangle.

Cristina: Maybe it could be a horse.

Jack: Could be.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister, with social media managed by Amber Black.

May 13, 2023

Rambling 225: UFOing

May 13, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What could the real explanation behind UFOs be? If there are beings other than humans involved in these UFOs, which beings are they? And why does it appear that the Egyptians lead back to so much interesting stuff? The duo continue their deep dive into the UFO phenomena in an attempt to better understand and rationalize away the inconsistencies.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Flat Earth
UFO Sightings
Atlanteans
Reptilians
Egyptians UFO
The Sea People
Government Technology

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your other host, Christina.

Jack: And on this show, we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I imagine, as I say, that there's, like, real, like, sound music playing that feels like something like wonder. Like wonder. You know, like link opening link from Legend of Zelda opening a treasure chest.

Cristina: If you weren't specific on what link you were talking about.

Jack: Rhett and link.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh, yes. Like, Retin.

Jack: Yeah, Immediately can. A different link. There's more than one Zelda that I can think of.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. There's the Zelda that's also somebody's daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Whose daughter? Zelda.

Cristina: The actor guy.

Jack: What actor guy? Tom Cruise.

Cristina: The guy who killed himself.

Jack: Ledger. Comedian Robin Williams?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. Wait, he called his daughter Zelda?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Really?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: He's the guy who did that?

Cristina: Why not?

Jack: Now, my question is, was Zelda a name before the game?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Or even if it was.

Cristina: Come on. He had to. There's no way he didn't.

Jack: Robin Williams was old as s***, bro.

Cristina: So he.

Jack: He had to have missed that age. He had to have. Dude, dude, dude.

Cristina: When was the first Legend of Zelda?

Jack: The first Legend of Zelda was somewhere in the 90s, maybe, like, late 80s.

Cristina: How old was he in the eight. Late 80s.

Jack: He was, like, 20s. No. H*** no.

Cristina: If he was not, like, if he.

Jack: Died, let's say 2015, and he was about 70 years.

Cristina: Was he.

Jack: How.

Cristina: You know what?

Jack: You know what? Yeah, check his age. Let's confirm. Let's confirm.

Cristina: He was a gamer, man.

Jack: He could not have.

Cristina: Gamer.

Jack: He could not. He was not a gamer, man.

Cristina: He was a gamer, man.

Jack: Let's find out.

Cristina: You just want to know his age.

Jack: Just his age. We're gonna piece this together.

Cristina: He died at 63.

Jack: At 63.

Cristina: 2014.

Jack: In 2014. So we'll round one year and say 2015 to make this math easy. Okay, so we jump back, I guess we don't really need to do that. We jump back 20 years, and it's 94. Right.

Cristina: So for no, 10. 20 years.

Jack: Yeah. From 20. From 2014, we jump back 20 years and 1994, and he's there, 43 years old. So we take away 10 extra years to make him. To put him in his 30s. This is in the 80s. He would have gotten into gaming in his 30s. No, I guess. I guess.

Cristina: No.

Jack: He could have.

Cristina: He could have.

Jack: If he played Atari and like that, then. Yeah, yeah, it checks out. He would have played it when he was older. He would have played it.

Cristina: Maybe it's like the craziest thing that's happening right now. Like, it's. The newest games just were made.

Jack: So. No, they weren't just made, but he. He survived having played the original games and then gaming collapsing and then Miyamoto essentially saving all of video games with his creations and support for creators.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh. He was bigger geek than that.

Jack: What?

Cristina: He was not just a video gamer. He was a pen and paper role playing gamer.

Jack: No freaking way.

Cristina: They don't say the game, but I'm assuming Dungeons and Dragons, right?

Jack: Like there's many RPGs that's those things like the realm of Arda and stuff like that.

Cristina: Pen and paper role playing.

Jack: Yeah, it's the same concept. You just did do this one on a message board, but essentially you could do this with a pen pal.

Cristina: Whoa. Yeah, okay.

Jack: It's the same concept. You're just sending back and forth. The continuation to the story. In fact, the method of doing this began in that form originally. It later entered the forums because the Internet happened. But this was originally a sort of game you played with a pen pal where you can. Or you wrote a story.

Cristina: I'm finding so much about him though, right now. He was into anime and collecting figures. He's such a geek. He was such a geeky.

Jack: Whoa.

Cristina: Whoa. What a geek.

Jack: Robin Williams.

Cristina: Awesome.

Jack: Yeah, it's pretty cool. I dig it.

Cristina: Okay. That's very random.

Jack: He was into all kinds of things, man.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: What a chill guy. Was he a Weeb?

Cristina: He was a Weeb.

Jack: He was a Weeb. He was a Weeb. But was he had kids, right. Or was he like an incel. And we had no idea he had Zelda, which was his daughter.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And that's how he got here.

Cristina: Yes. And I think he had two other children. I'm not sure.

Jack: Okay, okay, okay. That makes sense. Now the question is, would he have been an incel if he wasn't a famous comedian? If all other aspects of Robin Williams remained intact except him being a successful comedian, if he was the same personality, all the same traits, except he's like really good at factory line working.

Cristina: Does he have to be good at it? Can you just be a factory line worker?

Jack: That's what he applied. All because he still has all the same wants and desires to be good at something. Okay, so he's just doing that and he's Just like manager and some like that. Okay, so he's that guy. He's not. Robin William, the greatest comedian of all time. Great actor, drama and comedy. Great stand up and. Yeah. If all that's out the window. Is he an incel or is he just a guy?

Cristina: He might.

Jack: I don't know who. Who likes all those things but is still like cool and chilling. Could have bagged the same chick. Could even bag the same chick that. I guess that's my ultimate question. Could you have gotten the same woman or in any case with that woman? Is the question, is she a gold digger?

Cristina: I don't know. I guess they met doing the same thing. Is she a gold digger?

Jack: Is she a comedian?

Cristina: I have no idea.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: I have to go look up his life.

Jack: Where? Assuming that Robin Williams wife is a comedian.

Cristina: Assuming? Yeah, she's some type of actress.

Jack: Writer. Comedians and the date writers all the time. So do actors. Apparently writers are the easiest people to date.

Cristina: Oh, he was married a few times. Three times.

Jack: All writers.

Cristina: The last one, I don't know what she was because it doesn't say. Oh no, the first one either. The second one was a film producer and philanthropist.

Jack: Okay, so no comedians, but yes, somebody in show business.

Cristina: Just one. Well, I guess the other two were normal human beings. Who knows?

Jack: Normal people normal, but normal people see celebrity. He's exceptional. You gotta see celebrities all the time to get over it. That seems to be the thing. People are weird about famous people.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So his being famous has a huge thing to go. Like I guess the question here because in the middle of thinking about this, my psychology on it broke up a million times and I considered all the different perspectives of. It's not just whether he would be an incel, but maybe he could get somebody who isn't that same person. What if she's just a gold digger? You know, like that conflict immediately formed in my mind.

Cristina: But if she was a normal person, then would he still be able to get a normal person?

Jack: Yes, because the normal person is somebody who would just easily say yes to celebrity. That's another problem. Okay, so you can't measure it based on normal person because they'll most likely. Well, I guess not most likely, but how good is your game?

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like without you being super famous.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Are you capable of getting this one person who only said yes to you because you were famous? Could you get them without being famous?

Cristina: Yeah, like even the first one was probably like even if he wasn't famous at the time, she could probably see that he was Going to be a star?

Jack: Well, it depends. It depends how young he was, how far away from he was. There's no way to tell. Some people are exceptionally talented and never go anywhere.

Cristina: He said his active years, though, was. The start of. His active year was 1976. The year he got married with her was 1978. So did she see something?

Jack: Yeah, I guess that was his first role. What did he do?

Cristina: It doesn't say. It just. He started, I guess, actively becoming a comedian or actor or something.

Jack: A comedian is, I think is where he began. Says if that's where his career started. He got married, what, three years later?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then no, that lady was there though. This is like high school sweetheart or some s***. It's fire. So she was just the real human who was in it. Just cuz she knew him?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Yeah, yeah.

Jack: So, okay, debunked. He was just a geek.

Cristina: He was a geek. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. That's all. He. He was definitely not an incel. Because then if he was, he'd be unfortunate. No, that's crazy. That's what people say. I heard that joke a couple of days ago. I was like, what? I hang out on 4chan and I'm not a mental. But no. Yes. There's this perception that incels hang out of 4chan.

Cristina: How do we know you're not an incel.

Jack: How do what?

Cristina: How do we know? The listeners.

Jack: How do the listen.

Cristina: Oh, besides that you're married to a roach. I don't know if that's a positive thing or a negative thing.

Jack: It was. It's a female roach.

Cristina: It's a female roach. I don't know, like, it's just weird. So I don't know. That counts. That doesn't count.

Jack: No, I'm saying I'm not an incel. For sure.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I could bag the b******, but you bag the roach. Yeah. You judge. What the f***?

Cristina: Yeah, I guess, I don't know.

Jack: You a specist?

Cristina: What it was your plan to murder them without any, like, interaction with them?

Jack: I had nothing to do with any of that.

Cristina: You were very encouraging.

Jack: I was. I am. I'm not that guy.

Cristina: Oh, maybe you are not that guy.

Jack: I'm definitely not that guy.

Cristina: You are that guy and not that guy.

Jack: Doesn't matter. So look.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Those are aliens. The insoles, probably. I was thinking more of the roaches.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: The. Regardless of what the case might be.

Cristina: The roaches back to Reddit. Somehow leading to aliens. I don't know. No, no, okay.

Jack: No, no, no. The roaches. The roach People. The cockroach people from Mars.

Cristina: Question mark.

Jack: That sounds right.

Cristina: I feel like. That's right. Then he destroyed Mars.

Jack: Replace it. Yeah, okay, okay. It wasn't the moon. What's on the moon? I'm sure.

Cristina: I think we put prisons there and.

Jack: We saw something on the dark side. I don't remember what we saw. Probably more prisons.

Cristina: Cat people.

Jack: Cat people?

Cristina: Lizard people. Well, that's not important. The aliens on Reddit, Is that what you're saying?

Jack: No, the roaches are aliens. And my point in saying that is it's possible that in the past we have seen. This is totally. By the way, last week we were talking about UFOs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And we just started talking about cockroach people right now who happen to be in space. So I immediately just started to think that perhaps, maybe.

Cristina: Maybe what?

Jack: These roach people could have been some of the UFOs we've seen throughout time. And guess what we've seen less recently?

Cristina: What?

Jack: UFOs.

Cristina: I think we've seen less UFOs recently.

Jack: Yes. There was way more in the past, and then they've slowed down. Which in return just means that destroying that planet of roach people has reduced the number of total UFOs sightings.

Cristina: Which makes sense, I guess.

Jack: Makes perfect sense.

Cristina: I think we killed all the lizard people, which probably have UFOs. Who knows?

Jack: Well.

Cristina: Or not.

Jack: Very interesting fact that you'd bring that up, because it seems. It seems that a lot of The UFO people, ufologists believe reptilians are some of the UFOs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: That there are reptilian UFOs. That some of the UFOs that we have seen are reptilian people. Why?

Cristina: Because they saw them, I guess. Right. Is that the story? They've seen these aliens and they look like lizards?

Jack: I mean, I guess you could argue that the grays could also be reptilian. Or do they have gray skin?

Cristina: But if it's scaly, wouldn't that just mean they're reptilian? Like they don't have skin? I guess it'll be gray.

Jack: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I mean. Is it skin that they have or is it scaly?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: No idea. Anyways. Anyways, so I was thinking about UFOs and I was thinking like, the people who usually believe in UFOs are usually the same people who believe in flat Earth. There's a lot of crossover happening. So I got curious and started diving into flat Earth and trying to understand what the idea is behind flat Earth.

Cristina: And that's Gonna help you with aliens?

Jack: Well, I know that they kind of believe in the same things. I figured if I understand flat Earth a little more, then I'll understand UFOs more and then I can get like the psychology behind it because there'd be some crossing lines or whatever. And so as I'm going through flat Earth ideas, one current day idea we've discussed in the past, Earth exists. It's some sort of floating disc in space with a dome over it. There's an ice wall surrounding the edges of the dome. The dome is optional now because there's two different variants when we reach the dome. One version is the disk ice wall. You get to the ice wall coming out of the back of the ice wall too far for humans to reach because it's too cold or too hostile, or people don't want you to go there because laws or whatever.

Cristina: Land.

Jack: Yeah. No, it's the beginning of the dome that goes over your head.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: And it goes over the entire. And all the skies in space and everything are splattered on the dome and we rotate beneath it and so we see different parts of the top of the dome with the sun on one side, the moon on the other, or I guess the moon moves at a different rate on that dome.

Cristina: Do they think we live in a simulation or something?

Jack: No idea. And the alternative is the one with the land on the other side, where on the other side of the ice wall is more water and more land.

Cristina: I'm just glueing it on.

Jack: Well, yeah, I guess. I guess that's more than one variant as well. So I guess we'll say three different options because yes, there is a limited amount of space in one version of this and there's just a lot of it held away from us here, trapped inside the ice wall.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there's also the idea of like. Yeah, it just goes on forever and we're a tiny little piece caught within this ice wall.

Cristina: That's weird. I don't understand that makes the least sense. Although it all doesn't make sense. Like if it's live, it's unlimited. Why? Why be trapped in one spot?

Jack: Either somebody trapped us without us knowing.

Cristina: What's the advantage?

Jack: Don't know. It would be. It's. I mean, it's something so intelligent it managed to trap 8 billion people. It's beyond our understanding.

Cristina: Are we like an ant farm or something?

Jack: Exactly. Think about it. We could totally be.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. Like it's. Who knows? Or we just happen to be in a spot that's protected from some sort of condition outside of that wall, and that has allowed us to exist and develop long enough to question why we're in here. So there's no actual influence directly on us other than we happen to be some of the creatures that developed on Earth and happened to be protected from some worst thing that happens to exist out there that would have stopped our development longer ago. Maybe catastrophes happen out on the other side of the wall all the time, but the tidal waves can't reach high enough to come over the ice wall. And so colossal tidal waves that consistently destroy no man.

Cristina: Oh, so weird. All right.

Jack: You know, don't destroy us.

Cristina: The first one, though, is really strange because, like, do they think someone made this?

Jack: Some people do. God.

Cristina: It's hard to imagine. Okay, but then he's a physical thing, right? Like. Or not physical, but he's some kind of scientist.

Jack: Well, I mean, it's already theorized that God is some sort of scientist.

Cristina: Okay. If he's, like, what would be the point?

Jack: What would be the point?

Cristina: Yes. To put us in a globe and then have everything perfect. Like, it's really like we're just pets. Yeah.

Jack: Sort of trapped in a. In, like a cage of sorts.

Cristina: Yeah. Although I guess in all three options, we're just trapped in a cage as pets in some way.

Jack: No, in one of them, we're not. It's just absolute chance. There's nobody trapping us in here. We just happen to have developed inside of this container.

Cristina: Yeah, but aren't the. Isn't the government trying to keep us from discovering the truth that we are?

Jack: I guess more options spreading out would include the version in which now they're not. They're really not. But it still happens to be the fact, like, they can't be behind every conspiracy. But looking into flat Earth and trying to comprehend how flat Earth works, I came across those. Right. But I also wanted to find the origins of flat Earth, Weirdly enough. Weirdly enough. Flat Earth in current day seems to be essentially a religious belief from olden day, because early Egyptians and Mesopotamians all believed it was also a disk floating on an infinite ocean.

Cristina: Okay, but did they? There's proof that they did.

Jack: Yeah. I mean, their depictions suggest that. Which happen to be on pyramid texts and coffin texts depicting large oceans encircling land. It just happened to also be that way. They just believed it. It just happened.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So interesting. I didn't know.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: Yeah. Like, I knew it was a belief of the past, but this is almost a ritualized belief. This is almost religion.

Cristina: But how can you tell it's religion?

Jack: Because they're believing it with faith. And they're ritualizing the preaching, thinking, exercising the thought of. And telling other people of it and studying it.

Cristina: They're studying flat earth. They have flat earth research written on their walls.

Jack: They have flat earth concepts and ideas written on walls. I don't think there's, like, science going on.

Cristina: I don't know, like, some numbers involved somehow.

Jack: No, it just seems that they were, like, studying flat earth.

Cristina: What does that even mean?

Jack: Just. I guess studying is the incorrect word. They're writing down their ideas of what a flat earth could encompass.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Now, the Israelites had the added belief of a dome as well.

Cristina: I wonder what that comes from.

Jack: And they believe that the dome separated them from heaven.

Cristina: Of course it does.

Jack: Yeah. Not that the dome is heaven.

Cristina: It separates us from heaven.

Jack: The dome separates us from heaven. That's. That's a very Creature being studied. Visual.

Cristina: Yes. Something about the dome does feel like that.

Jack: Yeah. It feels like you put an ant in a bubble and you're watching it.

Cristina: Like people who keep Ansa's pets. And that thin, thin little. I don't know what that thing is called, but I've seen it. I don't know, in commercials. I think my brother owned one. It's like dirt. It's a plastic. It's like a thin glass of dirt and ants are in it.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: And you can see, like, how they're living. You can see the tunnels because it's thin, but it's. Their tunnels are clear because they're digging.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Cristina: I have no idea what that's called, but that thing.

Jack: Yeah. It has the same kind of feel to it, this sort of being watched through the glass idea. If the heavens are above that and God is always watching us. What?

Cristina: Yeah. It's weird being watched. Is that what they all think? Although, I guess the whole idea of aliens is us being watched.

Jack: Yeah. But it's weirder that this almost leans into religion because the alien thing comes in later.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: There is a lot of this. God is on the other side. Heaven is on the other side.

Cristina: Because he's watching us 24 7.

Jack: He's watching us 24 7.

Cristina: He's watching us.

Jack: Exactly. Well, the issue then begins when we go back to the Egyptians as opposed to the Israelites.

Cristina: Why? What's happening with them?

Jack: Well, the Egyptians really definitely believed that they were seeing things in the sky, floating the same way that today's ufo.

Cristina: I don't know what that is.

Jack: Today's UFO people believe in. These are images of hieroglyphs on the Egyptian. In many Egyptian sites, Ancient Egyptian sites. These are hieroglyphs. These. Okay, so this right here is believed to be symbolizing an alien spaceship. It could be anything. That's just a line in an oval shape. Yeah, this orientation is confusing.

Cristina: But there's a person in a ship or I guess that's what people.

Jack: Some sort of something.

Cristina: Something in a. Something El.

Jack: Yeah, it looks like something.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And again.

Cristina: That'S the one where it looks like there's a bunch of different things happening there.

Jack: Yeah, there's a bunch of flying things that are weird.

Cristina: There's a helicopter, there's a tank. These are not alien. Those are.

Jack: No, these are just the future. This actually, this one brings up an interesting conversation in which. Are they just seeing the future of something we know? We. I still hold the theory that we're wrong about something down the line with the history about the Mayans, the Egyptians, the Atlanteans, and the old equator. Because I don't believe it was just like. Just for Jesus. I don't believe it was just for Jesus. There was something. Something was coming for them, and that's why not having Jesus. There was important. You know, it was about hiding Atlantis and hiding perhaps the Garden of Eden. But topic for another day. This right here, the order of this is a helicopter, either a submarine or a tank. And then a spaceship is showing progression, and one of them goes way into the field. Is this speculation or is it based on witnessing the future.

Cristina: So hard? It's so random, because right next to it is like some type of bug all the way over there, like this thing. It's very random.

Jack: And like grass.

Cristina: Grass. Like. Yeah, it doesn't. It could be nothing.

Jack: Yep.

Cristina: I don't know. It could just be a symbol.

Jack: Okay, this could be a hat.

Cristina: There's a little one under it.

Jack: Yeah, that actually looks more like a hat. Is that a spaceship abducting a hat?

Cristina: I don't know. What if that's flat Earth? Do they have. Where's their photo of the flat Earth?

Jack: Oh, I didn't even consider that. I don't know, because this was the point.

Cristina: The hat eating a hat.

Jack: Yes. Well, now you think about it, that does kind of look like flat Earth, but. And again, what is that?

Cristina: I don't know. Because that could be the sun. And he's offering something to the sun because he thinks the sun is a God. You know, that type of stuff.

Jack: 100%. What part of that makes you think.

Cristina: That'S the sun because it looks like it's round and there's light. The lines look like sun rays.

Jack: What part of this is round?

Cristina: The top part.

Jack: You mean the half?

Cristina: Yes, people. Kids draw suns. Like really dumb looking too. Like you're not questioning like how, what they're making sun. There's a tiny part in the bottom.

Jack: I don't think that's the sun. This is clearly something else. That one's a stretch. That's obviously something different.

Cristina: That's. You think it's a alien?

Jack: I don't think it's an alien. I think it's something that's definitely not the sun.

Cristina: It's their God.

Jack: No, it could be. Yeah, it could definitely be there. Or not their God. It could be somewhere that their God is looking through.

Cristina: It's an eye.

Jack: It could totally be an eye, actually. Yes. That's exactly how they do their eyes, isn't it?

Cristina: It's an eyeball looking at whatever he's offering.

Jack: But the argument is that this is also a ufo. A ufo, of course, yes.

Cristina: It looks like an eye, so it's probably God's eye looking at the offering.

Jack: So, yeah, here's a collection of that stuff.

Cristina: That first one is weird.

Jack: That circle.

Cristina: Yeah, that could be anything. Like there's so much birds next to it. Like maybe that was just another attempt to make a bird and it's just really ugly. Just a really ugly rock looking bird. I don't know.

Jack: So the UFOs that they have seen line up with the fact that the people who believe in flat Earth today are the same people who do believe in UFOs. That theory checked out so hard. I found that the people who believed in flat Earth in the past also believed in UFOs in the past.

Cristina: Okay, but we don't really know that for sure. Like we can't talk to these people and be like, is that what you painted? Are those UFOs?

Jack: Well, let's break it apart. Their system can be converted to letters and then you could figure out what these mean. It was an Alphabet of sorts. It was consistent hieroglyphs told stories with words. So they always had to say, we've cracked their hieroglyphics. Language.

Cristina: We know what they meant, but these are being questioned. They're not like this is for sure aliens, are they?

Jack: Well, when we have one off imagery like that. But for the most part we can tell what they're saying about these things, even if we don't know what the thing they're referring to is. Because there's no other reference to the thing. Yeah, you get my point. Like, the rest of the language makes sense. It's just, what the f*** do they mean by this thing that they've never talked about ever and has no context? Clue.

Cristina: That's very strange.

Jack: You get my point. So when we see these images, you'll see the writing that tells you the narrative and the idea. It was here. This is what I think it was. But it's like now they're using words you've never had encountered, so it fuzzes out into nothingness. The language has been cracked, but you still can't compensate for words that have never shown. And if they have no words for themselves, they're just, for the first time, coming up with it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's a little hard, right?

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: Now they definitely believe that there was something going on. Some of these images are weird shots in the dark. Other ones.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Obvious ones.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You think any of them are obvious?

Cristina: Not that obvious.

Jack: Like the one with the freaking chopper in the submarine. That next one was obviously what it was. Just that looks like order.

Cristina: It could be the present, though. Like, that's not a. That doesn't scream aliens. If it looks so similar to what.

Jack: We have, it's being UFOs, not aliens.

Cristina: Oh, UFOs.

Jack: Yeah. It could just be a UFO. Just unidentified object.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: In that progression, like I said, I think it's just telling us a future.

Cristina: UFOs, but not aliens.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It doesn't have to be aliens by any means.

Cristina: Okay, then. Yes.

Jack: That's, in fact, in my argument for most of this is that it's not aliens. I don't think it's coming from outer space.

Cristina: It's us. It's kind of sort of in different times.

Jack: Kind of sort of. I think in the past we see. I guess not in the past. When we look at these hieroglyphs from the Egyptians, we also see the same ideas and not even just hieroglyphs, but when they have. When we look into the writings and they're describing in Arabia. In Arabic. In Arabic, they're describing in Arabic things that come up, like the unicorn and like Pegasus and like the sea people. The context seems to be very similar to the ancient hieroglyphs. It would be surrounded by what, by crops? Like the grass we saw. It would be out in nature. That's why there's insects out there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And so the same idea would apply to where you're seeing the sea people. You're always coming across them on top of mountains. Where there's woods, where there's trees, where there's nature, where there's birds. So it kind of falls in line that although later they have a literal word to describe the flying thing. They were talking about the flying thing in other contexts. We were seeing other technologies that were from the Atlanteans.

Cristina: Is that what you're saying?

Jack: That's. That's. That's my theory on this. Because again, they shared the technology, so they showed up. They didn't just show up one way. It wasn't just all this magic looking s***.

Cristina: Yeah, they had tech.

Jack: They had the ability to move their entire civilization from the Persian Gulf oasis to the Atlantic Ocean.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: They're up there. And so we see their genetically modified things and we're like, that's badass. But we see they're totally not animal machinery and technology, and we are baffled. We can understand a horse with wings. You're like, oh, we've seen wings. We've seen horse. That's kind of weird. It's a horse with wings. What do you do when there's just a disc floating and they come out of that? You're like, oh, what did I just witness? Okay, you've never seen any form of technology ever? And then they roll up to you on a flying saucer and then a light happens and they're just in front of you like, Tad.

Cristina: It's like, whoa, crazy. Okay, so, yeah, I guess it could not be aliens and still be UFOs.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It's just crap we. We're unfamiliar with, but it kind of checks out with the greater narrative. And then when we look at certain things, like the context behind hieroglyphs showing us spaceships and Egyptian. What is it again? It's not Arabic. It's Arabic. Arabic. Arabic. Okay. Showing us in Arabic texts in the same context, except it seems that almost things are swapped for Pegasus or Unicorn. Then we're talking about interesting lines crossing where it's potentially the same thing, just discussed in different forms and different times. Now it's really weird. And what's weirder is that there doesn't seem to be mentions in those contexts in hieroglyphs where we see a. A horse with wings. And there doesn't seem to be context in Arabic with ancient Egyptian texts where they specifically mentioned UFOs. It seems to be like, strictly, yes.

Cristina: But like, how do they believe in Flat Earth and the Dome and all that? And you can see all these things, and that's what brings up space.

Jack: Yeah, that brings up a lot of questions. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like, if they're so accurately mapping out what's happening above and simultaneously believing that the Earth is flat, how's that possible? Unless it's exactly the truth.

Cristina: Or they figured it out eventually. Like, one could be older than the other.

Jack: Interesting idea. So the concept would be that these original group of people eventually figured out that the Earth was round.

Cristina: Maybe. I don't know. It's hard to tell because I don't know anything about all the different things they have written on their walls.

Jack: And there are many.

Cristina: Yeah. And how many had. Like, it's probably gone from history.

Jack: Yeah. Just because it eroded over time. I'm assuming a plethora of things have suffered that.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Now, I do think that we are seeing Atlanteans consistently throughout time because they've outlived us for quite some time. But I don't think that's all of it.

Cristina: You think there are other things?

Jack: I think there are other things. We took out the reptilians from Universe 2, because that's kind of how we got there. Because they were coming in from universe 2 through the core of Earth where they had their portal. You remember the whole shtick that happened.

Cristina: It's hard to say which one. They came from this universe too, actually.

Jack: Portal. And they were from the Mars of that universe, instead of cockroach people.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Yeah. You remember. So then we took the planet, enslaved all of them, put them in prisons and the good times or whatever. So we go, we get rid of the Reptilians, we confiscate the technology. No more Reptilians coming through. Mainly because we destroyed that planet, which means we also. We destroyed Earth entirely. Because Planet X definitely crashed into that.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, it did.

Jack: And there's nothing. There's no more portal to come through. Oh, well. Oopsie. We made an oopsie. Yes, we made an oopsie. But we had Reptilians on this side that were not alien. They came from our core. We don't have Reptilians in space. People have also concluded this on the interwebs and in places like Reddit, come to the conclusion that it makes absolutely no sense to believe Reptilians come from space, because Reptilians, on average, come from the core of the planet. Duh. That's why we destroyed. Okay, makes perfect sense. No, but they really believe that they live from the core. They came out. They're not aliens. No, they're Earthlings.

Cristina: That makes sense. Yeah, we have dinosaurs and stuff like they. There's animals that they Lost from. Or they have relatives too, like we and the apes. The same. Same.

Jack: So the argument is that you would need to be in locations where you can access the core of the planet. You'd need to enter locations that could take you through passageways to the center of the Earth. And locations that would allow you to do this would be one, the ocean and two, volcanoes, because they have magma tunnels.

Cristina: Okay. How can Italians go through that?

Jack: Well, the idea here would be we've seen UFOs like we discussed on the previous episode, to have the ability to traverse all form of terrain, go from water, but never air to space, to enter into. Well, this couple, and I forget where, was taking a photo of this volcano you see before you. And what they saw come out of those.

Cristina: They saw that come out of it.

Jack: They came out and then shot to the left. Interesting, Interesting. So looking deeper into that, I came across a couple of instances that people have described in seeing exactly the same things, usually around volcanoes in which something pops up just a couple of hundred feet directly above, just fly away and skadoodle in a random direction.

Cristina: You have a collection of photos.

Jack: No, this is the only one that was photographed. But people were like, yep, seen that before.

Cristina: Whoa. I live next to a volcano. I don't want to live next to a volcano. But that would be cool.

Jack: So this kind of fits the idea that there would be a ship that is coming in. I mean, it's freaking coming in and out of a volcano. First of all, the volcano has magma in it, and so it's going through that and just making it, which means that technology can just handle it.

Cristina: Yeah. But so far, all these UFOs are from planet Earth.

Jack: Yeah. We're not seeing anything in space. We're not out there to see anything.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It'd be crazy if we were.

Cristina: Lots of stories are like they came from out there and are visiting us here.

Jack: What story?

Cristina: People's stories.

Jack: Who's seen it?

Cristina: I don't think they've seen it, actually. No.

Jack: They've never seen a UFO come all the way from space. It would look like a dot.

Cristina: I'm guessing the aliens are saying that. I don't know. Or maybe they're just assuming that.

Jack: I think they're just assuming. Yeah.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: I think there's any proof for something from outer space. All this crap like these aliens are.

Cristina: Telling them their backstories.

Jack: No.

Cristina: Oh, wait, some of them do. I'm pretty sure they're like, yes, we're from that sun.

Jack: Oh, yes, yes. That happened with. With Bob Lazar. And his alien friend, who we'll call Elvis, because that's the only one I remember from perfect Dark Elvis.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Elvis was from Zeta Reticuli or some like that. You remember. This is the name of the planet that Bob Lazar's friend Elvis came from.

Cristina: Sure. But yeah, so there's that. But then you're saying maybe there's not that.

Jack: What, like rays?

Cristina: Like aliens from out there? No, I don't think they're that are visiting us. I mean, I mean, there could be aliens out there, but that doesn't mean they're visiting us.

Jack: Well, I do believe there are a couple of instances that are simultaneously taking place that explain away what we see when we see UFOs.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: Well, I'll take you down the theory of events. My. My theory on the series of events. I believe first The Egyptians saw UFOs constantly. But those were the sea people they were showing us the sea people that they saw frequently. That was step number one. A lot of those hieroglyphs were just that it was them. Like, whoa. The sea people rolled up instead of a horse. It was in a. In a dark dish and the light shot out and they just like popped up and they were like, cool. We come to trade with you guys again. It was like, whoa. They didn't show up in a horse with wings this time. They showed up in a flying plate.

Cristina: Okay, okay.

Jack: Definitely. Now, I also believe that a large sum of the UFOs we see are actually literally technology controlled by the United States government. Like, yeah, they're testing. They're really testing. And they light all the time.

Cristina: How did they get those things?

Jack: Nah, some of the whacker we see is our own. Not the better. Oh, some of the wack is lamest. What was it? It was like a super advanced plane. It was a super advanced plane. That's what it was, bro. It was just a super vance plane. And they're lying to you and they don't want. They're scared of everybody. Our government's so paranoid. They're like, oh no, nobody can know about our secret tech. And copy it and copy it. And then we're gon are super $80 billion richer than we were before. But it was already 25 of our entire budget.

Cristina: Yeah, like who's gonna do that?

Jack: It's us, okay? Like, yeah, they got all the jets, all the sorts that you've never heard of and have no way of researching because they don't want you to know or anyone else to know. They're super Secretive super secret agent man. They do that with everything they do. Super secret agent man with everything. And then they give you the wackest s*** they could think about. They're like, what's the bottom of the barrel? Give that to the f****** people. Our government can go f****** invisible if we want. That's some real. That's not even secret. That's just how advanced it is that we know of. Yeah, like what? You got jets that could just disappear in the sky. Now apply that logic to something like way better. That's just what we know about. They got better. Simple. It's just f****** tech. There's a lot of it.

Cristina: A lot of it. Okay, yeah.

Jack: So we got the sea people who didn't. I refuse to believe they're just invisible in some other universe right now. There's some of them around here. They're roaming. We see some of them. That's probably the high. Some of the higher end stuff. We see that. Wow, looks so confusing. And like, how are they doing this? It just went from water to sky without missing a beat. How do you do it? Definitely see people to advance. It's gonna be crap we don't get. And yes, American technology, foreign governments with their own. That looks different because we lie. We get lied to by our government. They show us. Oh, their jets look like our jets. But it's like, what if they're super advanced and look different? I don't know. I haven't been over there. You're just making us think that we're strong, whatever.

Cristina: But then there's a lizard.

Jack: Then there's the Reptilians. They're still not. Everybody's just seeing them come out of the volcano. There's a million other places they could be and be heading. So you could see it going on.

Cristina: Okay, yeah, simple.

Jack: So now we're getting a collection of a bunch of different crap in the sky, all of which came from Earth. Yes, a crap ton of it. All of it came from Earth so far.

Cristina: And time travel, yes.

Jack: Thin places specifically are one of the best because again, you'll be traveling in a plane in the future where there's way more s*** in the sky because everything is run by AI and they're not crashing into each other. So you can have the sky flooded with things and somebody for a split second enters through a thin place, shows up somewhere in the past that they shouldn't have. They don't see it. The sky looks the same to them. For a split second it happened. You look up, see something crazy in the sky that Looks like an alien. Then it popped back into its time because it went through a thin place. Boom. The sky in the future is flooded with that. There's no way reality is absolutely stable. Entropy is real. Thin places are everywhere. We're just not populating every inch of everything. So we don't come across them often. Because most s*** is empty space. I am sure if we filled out way more of that empty space, thin place interactions that happen all the time.

Cristina: We would never know.

Jack: We would never know. Neither would the people on the ships or anything. You just flying in your plane, go through a thin place. It's a split second somebody in the past saw you. Now you're back where you should be. You never notice, even went through it. Your thing glitched for a split second and you're good.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: And now we're seeing the sea people just kind of living amongst us because why the h*** wouldn't they? We're seeing Reptilians among their trips to wherever. We're seeing ships from the future slipping through thin places. And we're seeing government technology probably aware of all this other s***. Also very paranoid on their own like, well we can't. We gotta. I guess they might even be right. We're over here making fun of them for over investing. They're the only smart ones. They're like these m************ can just, just go from water to land. We can't do that. We're so outgunned. Dedicate more money to the. We're too slow in catching case. Well, I mean let's be real. Any of these things that we've seen, dude, we have nothing that can. We don't. We couldn't conceive of how we would traverse lava.

Cristina: No.

Jack: We have no concept of what that is. If something could do that, it is invincible to us.

Cristina: Is there any amount of money that can help us fight lava over time?

Jack: Maybe. Maybe we'll invent something that could tolerate it. Yeah, some. You vet some sort of element, they could deal with it for sure. For sure fact it'll happen in the future, but it's not the fact now. Anything we encounter that could do that is invincible to us. It's indestructible to us. There's nothing we could do to harm it.

Cristina: No amount of money currently no amount.

Jack: Of money we'd have. I mean you could probably throw enough money at a guy and he would make it out fair enough. Means some amount of money will trigger a chain reaction of a bunch of geniuses coming together and solving the Problem. It'll happen. You could. You could solve it with money.

Cristina: I don't know. That's a lot. A new element.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You dedicate in it. We could solve cancer overnight. Just give it to the right rich guy. Give cancer to the right rich guy. Guarantee you give cancer to a lot of rich guys. And then make it so only the. So the scientists only jump on it if the poor people get paid for us, I guess. Well, they'll throw all the money at the poor people, I guarantee you. And then all the poor people be like, yes, we agree. And then it's solved. And all the poor people have the cure for Cancer Institute. Rich people, they don't care about that. They just want more money. And they're invested in the freaking hospitals or whatever. Not the hospitals, the pharmaceutical companies that are selling the medications or whatever. More money. But anyways, I think. I think that's the collective image of what we're seeing, of everything. Yeah.

Cristina: And what about the dome lid that we have, or whatever you want to call it? Do you think that's there?

Jack: I don't know. Because everything I just described did not need to cross that. I have described nothing that needed to cross that barrier. Which is the craziest part. All of it fits, including the dungeon. As of now, all of the things could be happening. They're all UFOs, crap we do not know. Have not identified. Are not familiar with all these creatures, including the reptilians, the sea people, the United States government. And what the h*** am I missing?

Cristina: Reptilian.

Jack: Oh, and thin places, which are just. Yeah, the future people. So all of these things put together, that's for four different collectives happening simultaneously on Earth.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And none of them, not one crosses that barrier into, through.

Cristina: But we have. Does that not count? Yeah, that breaks all of that. Or does it? Or are. But I guess those people think they didn't really.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no. Well, the argument you are questioning is probably incorrect because look at it like this. Did you go through the Earth to the other side or did you go upwards? And who says you ever reached the.

Cristina: Dome when they touched the moon?

Jack: Yeah, who says the moon is. It says that the moon is within the dome. It's under it, not over it.

Cristina: It's under it.

Jack: Yeah. The moon is under the dome. They got to the moon, right? Yeah, that's underneath the dome. Cool.

Cristina: Okay, so anything around Earth is on this dome.

Jack: It's either on the dome or in the dome with the other stuff in the dome.

Cristina: Okay. And every star we See or not those.

Jack: The stars we see are on the.

Cristina: Dome and the planets are on the dome or they're not on the Or. You said it could be either or.

Jack: It could be either or. I don't know. I know that the moon and the sun are on the dome or in front of it.

Cristina: In front of it. Okay.

Jack: Difficult, because both. I've seen both depictions. I've seen a sun hovering just below the dome and a moon hovering just below the dome and those things kind of spinning around. So I don't really know where anything really stands when it comes to that. It could be either. Or.

Cristina: How does the sun get in front of the moon?

Jack: How do you mean?

Cristina: When we're spinning and you know, sometimes the moon, I guess eclipses. How do eclipses happen?

Jack: How do eclipses happen? Yes, that's. That would be, I guess, an argument completely against.

Cristina: I guess we're not trying to really argue about anything. We, at this moment, though, we're not trying to disprove flat earth.

Jack: We're not trying to disprove flat earth. We're not even trying to prove flat earth or anything. We're just talking that it seemed to have been the same people. And that did leave me to some conclusive thoughts about what we're seeing when we're seeing UFOs, okay. Which again is American. Not American, just government secret military weaponry in the form of flying objects. We're seeing the sea people who are ancient earthlings that are very technologically advanced lizard people. We're seeing Reptilians who've been here who the h*** knows how long. Reptiles live crazy amounts of time. They could have been here before the freaking. I mean, we'd literally considered that what they were using was magic and not just hyper advanced technology. We questioned it with the Atlanteans. We did not have a. We had to work our way back to technology with the Reptilians, we thought it was just magic. That's how far. So their s*** is older. Older.

Cristina: Are the cat people older or they're not involved in any of this.

Jack: Well, the cat people, I think might have just stolen reptilian technology because it looked too much like magic.

Cristina: But they're from here or not? Do we ever.

Jack: Cat people are from here.

Cristina: Yeah, but they left here. Yeah, okay. Because I know the only people they really involved themselves with were the Egyptians, I think. Or at least the Egyptians seen them.

Jack: Well, they were Chimeras from the Egyptians.

Cristina: They made them.

Jack: The Egyptians made them. It's a Planet of the Apes scenario with cats.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. First they made these chimeras. These chimeras. And overtook society. And that's why they forced people to worship them, make giant statues of them. And then the people also got smarter and stronger. The war happened. And then these people decided to split into two groups. The people who are gonna contain the humans under control for as long as they can, and then the ones who would leave with all of the technology and advance it. And. Yeah, that's the story of cat people.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Yep.

Jack: Yep. Anyways, this is basically my image for what I believe the UFOs are when we see them in the sky. I do have one additional thing for you.

Cristina: But. What? What? What?

Jack: It is an old video of a.

Cristina: Of a cat person. Of a lizard person?

Jack: No, of an. Of a spotting. Like a people spotted a ufo. A ufo. And I remember seeing this very video a long time ago. And you probably saw it too. Okay, so here you go. Here's a video. I'm sure you've seen this before. Where these people are driving by the ocean and then they see that impossible formation of lights in the sky. That's absolutely freaking nuts.

Cristina: That could be us.

Jack: I think those are Atlanteans. This was over the Atlantic Ocean. That's multiple different sources of light all way off in the distance, hovering over the ocean. I think those are just aligned ends.

Cristina: That's pretty cool. Like it?

Jack: So, yeah, that's my theory. Showed you some proof, some. Some arguments, some thoughts, some videos, pictures, photos, photo evidence.

Cristina: Sure.

Jack: Of things and stuff.

Cristina: Sure were things.

Jack: Exactly. It was the most thingy of all things. I actually have one more thing to show you.

Cristina: Really?

Jack: Yeah. This is the literal last bit of it. So here is a map of the sightings, all the sightings ever recorded. And this is the United States of America, which is.

Cristina: So where most people are populating is where we're seeing them.

Jack: Yeah, essentially.

Cristina: Crazy. Crazy.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: We'd have more planes too, you know, but what?

Jack: Yeah, Interesting. Where there's more molar sky activity. We're seeing more UFOs.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: What? What a coincidence.

Cristina: Although there are some cities, like. Look at that. If those represent cities, those are not being touched at all.

Jack: No, those places are not being visited at all. And those places are populated.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. And now let's go down a quick list of the places.

Cristina: The top places, the seats.

Jack: Top states. Because the United States is factually the country with the most abductions. So let's go through the states with the most abduct.

Cristina: Okay. Abductions. Not even.

Jack: Not abduction. Sightings.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: These numbers would be absurd if they were abductions.

Cristina: My bad.

Jack: Okay, that's like so in 10th place, North Carolina, 2273 sightings. What we got Michigan, 2451. Ohio2907. Pennsylvania 3142.

Cristina: Is there ever gonna be like a real crazy jump?

Jack: Oh yeah. We could just ignore all of these and get to the fun stuff because then we get to these top number states up here and we get California.

Cristina: 11,000.

Jack: They have 11,202 sightings.

Cristina: That is ridic. But they're huge. California is huge. It's the whole one side of the state. That's not fair, is it?

Jack: Nope, nope.

Cristina: Like if it was like, wait, what was number one? That was number two.

Jack: No, California.

Cristina: That was number two.

Jack: No, CA was number one.

Cristina: What's number two? I want to see what's number two.

Jack: Then what's number two? I already got out of there.

Cristina: Because California doesn't count.

Jack: Why does California not count?

Cristina: Doesn't count. It's too long.

Jack: Number two is Florida with 5,113.

Cristina: How many?

Jack: 5,113.

Cristina: Interesting.

Jack: So yeah, that's what I got. I wanted to unpack some of the UFO things and see if I can make some connections. And I do believe, believe that there are actual connections to be made relative to UFOs and it's already hidden in all of the pre existing information we have. And it's all earth related, which doesn't in any case disprove flat earth, which is how it got to UFOs in the first place, as I was trying to figure it out. But that's concerning to some degree, I suppose. Again, like, what if we just haven't reached the dome? What if there is a dome and we haven't reached the dome?

Cristina: I don't. I don't know.

Jack: Right. Like how would we prove that wrong?

Cristina: Yeah. Until we reach it.

Jack: And here's the other part. This dome or firmament, what if it's not around the like attached to Earth? Specifically, what if we are in a dome, but it is what we consider our universe?

Cristina: That would be impossible to tell.

Jack: Well, that's the same idea behind like the infinitely long ocean and then just a firmament fixture over you. Infinitely up. If the oceans go on forever, then there must never be a point where the sky and the water meet. It just goes on forever too.

Cristina: Okay, Right. Then we wouldn't be in a dome.

Jack: Yeah, it wouldn't be a dome. And we can never reach the top. Yeah, because there is a top. It's just infinite and unreachable because there's no. You couldn't scale up anything to reach that thing. You have to go. Go straight up. I suppose a plane would do it. But then why can't planes. Why aren't planes hitting the dome all the time? They can't reach. But what about rockets? There's so many holes here.

Cristina: We're not trying to prove where this robot.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyways, anyways, I do believe that this is a good explanation for UFOs. All of it comes from Earth. It's all some form of tech from one group of advanced something or another. And also thin places from the future. The end.

Cristina: The future.

Jack: All of which topics we've discussed in the past. And you can talk to us about them on all our platforms, contact us, tell us what you think. What are these UFOs? You can hit us up at our Socials JustConville pod, at TikTok, at Facebook, on Twitter, on Instagram.

Cristina: And remember to subscribe, rate and review.

Jack: The show, because words of mouth. It's the best thing to have ever happened.

Cristina: Are you speaking like that?

Jack: Why wouldn't I?

Cristina: Does someone who might like the show know about it? Yeah, more of the same thing.

Jack: Because word of mouth.

Cristina: Exactly. Okay, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye now. There's nothing underneath the Gulf coast other than a bunch of old structures. And in the Bermuda Triangle there is also a bunch of remnants, but it. We can't. We can't really explore the true depth of it. So the argument is they either moved there or the Atlanteans were two groups of people.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense, does it?

Jack: Well, for example, the Portuguese are two groups of people. The Brazilians and the Europeans.

Cristina: How close are they?

Jack: They are across the world from each other, literally. Some are in Europe and the others are in South America.

May 06, 2023

Rambling 224: UFOlogy

May 06, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Are UFOs aliens? Are they foreign technologies? And are there any reliable sources that could clarify? The duo begin a dive into UFOlogy by discussing the basics.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

UFO
Men in Black
Greys
Bob Lazar
Zeta Reticuli

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm Christina.

Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas, mostly. So when we ask it, like, it's a bit of a confused question.

Cristina: What's the question saying?

Jack: That we solve humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas.

Cristina: Do we?

Jack: Well, I think we. I think we do. I'm like 95% sure that's accurate.

Cristina: You said 95.

Jack: 95.

Cristina: Whoa.

Jack: So I was going through things. Papers.

Cristina: You're going through papers with words on them? Yes. What did the words say? Are they important?

Jack: Sort of. Kind of, sort of. It was essentially the Pentagon speaking about the UFOs.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And the number of encounters that the Air Force has had and the Navy has had with UFOs.

Cristina: They're not UFOs anymore, they're UAPs. I'll never remember that, but okay.

Jack: The idea here is that I became fascinated with the fact that they really straight up said, like, we don't know what most of this is. I was like, cool, we don't know what most of this is.

Cristina: That doesn't mean aliens either. They don't know.

Jack: Does not mean aliens. Yeah, but you'd be hard pressed to convince everybody of that because a lot of people think it's aliens. But also, like, it's funner if it's aliens.

Cristina: It's definitely funner if it's aliens.

Jack: Like, it sucks to the.

Cristina: The reality also would be really cool if it's just natural things that we just haven't discovered yet.

Jack: Like we're capable of s***. So cool. It looks like aliens that we're capable. Yeah, that would be. That's what you're talking about, right?

Cristina: No, like animals maybe, or something like that lives on Earth that we haven't even.

Jack: Just like some biology that's up there.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah, that would be cool.

Jack: Weird thought I had. It's a sort of a side bubble to this. I was wondering a couple of days ago if it would make sense for something that does live. Essentially. Like, we would. The idea was ultimately, like, if it works in a way that we don't know. If it's not carbon based, the salient. If it's. Yeah. If it's not cellular, we would we. Would we call it part of biology or would we make a science name for whatever new study of this other life is and thus expand the sciences within the study of life, as opposed to saying that biology is the study of life because it doesn't fit the basic Criteria for being biological.

Cristina: But if it is a thing that is from Earth, it's still somehow in biology. It just needs to be a new sub.

Jack: No, it could be a mineral that's alive somehow.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's not biology.

Cristina: Okay. But it would be still in a category that already exists. It would just be a new.

Jack: It would be a living version of.

Cristina: Whatever category in a category that already exists. Because that's possible.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: But wouldn't that be even more awesome than it just being an alien?

Jack: Yeah, of course. There's a million things that would make it cooler than being an alien.

Cristina: Well, being an alien is still pretty cool. But it'd be really cool to find aliens. I don't know why the idea of finding aliens in space is much cooler than finding it here. But I love the idea of, like, us going into the waters of the moon and then finding an alien fish or something. Like, not anything complicated, just something simple like that.

Jack: What's interesting about that is that our minds would be like, crap, it's possible somewhere else. That's the. That's the real question we're trying to answer when we're talking about aliens.

Cristina: Exactly. Like, if it's on Earth, we have to question whether it's from Earth or not. But if we find it out there, it has to be from out there. That'd be crazy. If it came from Earth and then got out there. But then who knows? If it was discovered on the moon, we'd have to question was it really.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Origin really from the moon, or was it somehow from Earth because we have sends people there. We've said so many things to the moon.

Jack: Like, and we are pretty sure that the moon is created from chunks of Earth.

Cristina: Yeah. So it's like that type of alien. Isn't that crazy?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: If we just discovered life there.

Jack: I guess. I guess when we're talking about alien life, the. The real thing would be the closer to Earth, the more likely it's related to Earth.

Cristina: Yes. And when it comes to wanting to meet or see something alien is like, it has nothing to do with us. It's its own. It has its own origin story, I guess, is the important thing.

Jack: Yes, that's what we really want. Yes, that's what we really want to figure out. We want to find life that has its own origin story.

Cristina: That would be awesome.

Jack: Yeah, that would be badass. And like, what. But then again, we don't even understand our own origin story. We don't know why it went. That's why There are only theories. We don't know why it went from not alive to alive. We don't know what moment biology began or why or how or really when. We got theories. But yeah, the only theory we got on is when we don't know how, we don't know why.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Kind of got theories of where.

Cristina: Kind of have theories of where, I guess when it comes to like, planets, sitting planets and stuff like that.

Jack: Yeah. And locations on Earth as well. Like, where did it probably happen?

Cristina: Oh, okay. But these aliens. Okay. What was your idea with these aliens? You're reading papers.

Jack: Oh, well, I got interested in the fact that the government is openly claiming it doesn't know what most of this is. They know that a bunch of it is just like tested technology by foreign governments and espionage and sometimes people privately making cool things and it gets detected, stuff like that. But the fact that they're saying the majority of it.

Cristina: But also we learned recently, I think, that some of it was just like, the technology is so advanced that we haven't learned something. Certain things about it that, like if it glitches out, we wouldn't tell. And then it's like, it's just that thing. Like, there is not nothing really alien happening. It's the tech that's causing the thing the pilot is seeing. Like, there's nothing really out there.

Jack: Yeah, that's a lot of it is that too. That's for sure. There's a bunch of that in which a bunch of crap has been like.

Cristina: When they truly believe there's something, they see something, but it's not really anything because it's just the tech freaking out.

Jack: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But there are eyewitness reports as well. Like when they see it and it gets caught on camera and stuff. But some of that, again, has also been proven to be glitches in the systems that maybe is a predictive cam that's trying to help guide.

Cristina: But do their stories line up with the stories of regular people seeing aliens and. Or UFOs?

Jack: That is an interesting question. So do p. Do the. I guess we're. We're also talking about two completely different scenarios, right? We're. We're talking ultimately about people who don't have access to flight technology or water vessels because they happen to just be landlocked. Like most people. They're just stuck on land. And then the people. Or even when you're on a boat, you're like, stuck on the boat. As opposed to the exaggerated power of the American government, which, by the way, the United States is the country. Country in the World with the most alien UFO reports. Of course it is. And followed by Canada. So.

Cristina: But who has the most, like, people, like, the government is in this. Like, yeah, it's military in space type of thing. Like, do we have the biggest air military thing?

Jack: I think so. I know we. Well, we have the biggest everything military. It doesn't matter which part of the military you're talking about.

Cristina: Yeah. So when it comes to alien specifically, you're looking up. Are we looking at ourselves?

Jack: Interesting question. At that point, you're saying that the people on the ground are just seeing the American Navy and the Air Force.

Cristina: But we have the biggest.

Jack: Yeah, but then the question is the ones that are in the navy and in the Air Force, those guys still see things and they know what their stuff looks like. So why are they like, what the h*** was that?

Cristina: But does that match up with what people are saying?

Jack: Well, it doesn't matter now because you completely just executed that bit of information. They're probably seeing us and it's so advanced that we don't know it's us we're looking at. So the people don't matter now. Only the military's perspective matters because we've. We're just looking at our own military. But the military isn't looking at our own military. They know when they see themselves, so what is it that they're confused about?

Cristina: But some of them did were thinking they saw something, but it turned out that it wasn't.

Jack: Yes, but some of them physically saw something. They didn't use machines. Some of them looked at it. Most of them. Well, I guess anyway, most of them is actually a small percentage of them happen to be glitches in the systems.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But there were a lot of them that were eyewitness accounts. And they're like, I don't know how this black dot moved across this giant surface of water beneath me while I'm going over the speed of sound. It just shot across from behind me to the front. And he's looking. And then that is corroborated with the camera's perspective or whatever caught it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then it's like, what the h***'s that? He saw it. That's weird.

Cristina: But we don't know what it is.

Jack: But we don't know what it is. We can't just exclusively say alien. But then that comes. That brings us to, I guess what you could say is one of the main UFO conspiracy theories.

Cristina: What is it?

Jack: That it's not our own tech. It's enemy government tech.

Cristina: Enemy government tech. That's A conspiracy?

Jack: Yeah, that it's enemy governments or I guess that's the conspiracy. If that's the case and that's just the conspiracy that the American government creates.

Cristina: Yeah. Because like we're like, yeah, it's aliens. But the government would say, yeah, it's the enemy.

Jack: Well, I guess the real idea is that some people would believe that too. That we're not exactly the most powerful country in the world. And a lot of other countries are like, the conspiracy is we're being lied to about our own capacity and that what we really are seeing is technology so advanced that we should legitimately be scared about how low on the totem pole we are versus the technologies of more advanced countries. Our government lies to us all the time. Why would we believe we are actually the strongest just because they told us.

Cristina: Oh my gosh, I'm one of those sheeples. No.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You cannot be sure.

Jack: No, there's no way to be sure.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: How can anybody be sure about this? It's a conspiracy. Conspiracy theory, yeah. It's absolute madness. But that is a really popular one. That it is just enemy technology. These enemy governments and military creating extremely advanced technologies.

Cristina: When do they have time to do this? Like we do this 24 7. How are they more advanced than us?

Jack: Well, why are we doing it 247 if we are after we. We're already obviously the strongest. Why didn't we stop and dedicate to making everybody else smarter so that that way we become better? No, we continue to fuel this thing for a reason that we don't understand, which is probably that somebody out there might have the power and we're just like not understanding. We've tried reverse engineering, We've tried everything. Maybe us in China kind of stuck in the same limbo. We're reverse engineering everything under the sun, just trying to figure out how we can reverse engineer the super advanced other things.

Cristina: We were just power hungry.

Jack: Just, we were just way behind.

Cristina: Hungry for more power.

Jack: I think we're just way behind. I think a lot of us are way behind. China, you think China's way behind?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I think so. To be fair. I think the idea is those of us pretending to be the strongest are probably faking it. And there might be real other extremely power. Like the Atlanteans are just like way out there. And they're the ones who failed at hiding themselves successfully. They left structures, they left writings, they left DNA. They with people, there's proof of them. So then there's technology that's extremely Advanced. It's extremely possible. So what stops our government from from consistently lying to us the way that North Korea's government does to their people? How would we know if that's happening to us?

Cristina: It probably is. I mean, we do have some proof of them definitely lying to us. Not about something important like UFOs or anything. We have no idea. We have to just take what they give us with that. But there's proof that they're lying all the time. Yeah.

Jack: So then why would we believe anything they tell us at any moment? Why would we believe.

Cristina: Because there's nothing else, though. There's no. There's no true. I mean, I guess there are random people who say, I know the truth. Like that guy that goes on Joe Rogan or many people that go on Joe Rogan.

Jack: Bob Lazar. Or Edward Snowden.

Cristina: Yes. Which. Yes, Edward Snowden. Snowden.

Jack: Snowden.

Cristina: Snowden. Whoa. But besides, people like them, definitely. Wow. Edward Snowden.

Jack: Yeah. There's like straight up facts about like here, the government's lying. Here's the.

Cristina: There's not many of that. And it's really hard for people to believe them, though. Like he had proof. Proof. Proof that no one can deny.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like he's the most like, reliable source, even though they call him a traitor. Like he. Come on.

Jack: He literally showed people government secrets that prove we were being spied upon by our government. Yeah, like, God.

Cristina: Like, there's no denying.

Jack: D***. But then you got somebody like Bob Lazar and you got to trust when.

Cristina: You look into their information, he doesn't have the info or.

Jack: And his claim. So. So Edwards, not Edward Snowden. Bob Lazar is a guy who claims to have worked for Area 51 at some point in his life. He claims to have masters in physics that he worked at Area 51 under the United States government reverse engineering flying saucers and their technology in order to understand it and build our own stuff. The problem is two bits of information that are conflicting. One is the fact that he claims that the government is trying to suppress and make. Suppress his existence, essentially and make him seem completely uncredible. Like you can't believe what he says. And then the other one is that there is no proof of his masters in physics.

Cristina: Yeah, it's just him saying things.

Jack: There's no way to prove it if the government is actually or isn't. I don't know. Because it's exactly what our government would do. Yes, that's the problem.

Cristina: Just succeed at doing what they do.

Jack: This is the real problem. That fact, the fact that it's exactly what we would do. So I'm not saying, yes, we're doing it. I'm not saying we're not, because it's exactly what we would do. But also, he could just be a crazy guy or a real good manipulator. Understanding the people in ufology by vast majority, seem to be just a bunch of rational people hoping for something. Or not even irrational, I guess, hope. How is it any different than religion?

Cristina: Yeah, the UFO community. Yeah.

Jack: How is that any different than a religion? Got faith that something's going on without proof of it.

Cristina: But he doesn't have any wacky crazy story, does he? Like meeting. Oh, yeah, he does.

Jack: Yes, he does.

Cristina: I'm pretty sure he worked with one.

Jack: Yes, he worked.

Cristina: That's kind of wacky. That makes it a little wacky.

Jack: Is it true? As a question?

Cristina: It's true. I don't know. Like, how was the alien surviving? I don't know. I'm guessing, like, if there was an alien really on living with us, that means their home must not be that different from us. Yes, but then somehow they are so different from us.

Jack: They are only different because they come from somewhere else. There's different as different animals are on Earth, but we all share an ancestor.

Cristina: Yes. So they. It's just. I don't know, it's too. It's so. Because they're so similar and so different. They're the same as in, they have probably the same amount of fingers and they have two eyes and they have a nose. No. Did they have a nose? I don't know if they have a nose, because they don't.

Jack: You mean the grays?

Cristina: Yeah. Do they have mouths? Do they have noses?

Jack: They have mouths. They have noses.

Cristina: So. Okay, yeah, but they use telepathy to talk, right?

Jack: Yes, because that's way more efficient than language.

Cristina: Yes, because if they spoke, we wouldn't understand what they're saying though, and it.

Jack: Would be irrelevant to them. Like, it makes no sense. It's so primitive to speak.

Cristina: Yeah, but how. What does the alien poop look like?

Jack: That's a really good question.

Cristina: What do aliens eat? Like, how is it surviving? It's working with him every day trying to figure this out.

Jack: No, it must be.

Cristina: You already know this technology. So why is he working with him to figure this out if he already.

Jack: Knows it's helping him reverse engineer it.

Cristina: Like, why does it need him to be on the.

Jack: Do you know?

Cristina: Why not just write it all down?

Jack: Do you know how the computer works? Could you undo a computer right now? You know how to use a computer? Okay, could you undo a computer and put it back?

Cristina: Can you write it? Like for dummies?

Jack: Listen to me. Does every person who drives a car have the ability to decompose a car? Not decompose. Deconstruct the car into its bare parts and then recompose a car. Could they explain?

Cristina: So you're saying the alien, even though it uses this technology, doesn't mean it knows.

Jack: It doesn't mean it knows.

Cristina: Yeah, okay. In that way. Okay.

Jack: It doesn't mean it has.

Cristina: That doesn't mean any f******. Yeah, because it's just driving it. It's just a car to it.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It's just using the thing.

Cristina: Yeah. That doesn't mean he gets what. But still, what does? He.

Jack: Should have the ability, if he's just flying among the stars, to create its food. It should be able to make food without worry, without it having to be on Earth. That's how it moves through space. How does it be anywhere else? It must have the ability to create its food because it's already.

Cristina: If it eats, it poops. Has anyone seen its poop? I don't know. It's just too weird. Alien poo?

Jack: I don't know, but it would be like any other creature. It would just have a poo. Birds have poo that's just wet, like white liquid. Yeah, like this.

Cristina: If he gathered it, though, then that would be the proof. He would have some proof that this alien exist.

Jack: Gathered alien proof?

Cristina: Yes, like if he gathered anything. Took a photo of it. Like you're working with him, shining. Oh, wait, I guess he wouldn't be able to use a cab, a phone or anything where he's working.

Jack: Yeah, you can't have any proof that you were here.

Cristina: Man. He should have tried harder to find a way to sneak some proof that the alien. I don't know, a photo would have helped.

Jack: He probably. Man, all these guys do this. He probably has photos, I bet.

Cristina: No way.

Jack: But listen, you're talking about these aliens and like, why. Why do you feel this alien would be so different? Aren't grays already two eyes, two legs, two arms, one head, one torso. Like grays are the most humanoid thing, chances are they could survive off of. If they are biological, then they must share at least the fact that they are carbon based. Which means they require to some degree exactly the same things as every other life that we understand.

Cristina: Yeah, but what is it? What? Like, did it have a personality? Besides talking about work, did it talk to him about things? What did he Talk about. Did he talk about home? What did he miss about home? Like, what was going on with this alien? It cannot just be 100% focused on the job. How did he talk to this thing and not learn anything else? Or did he do you know?

Jack: I don't. I have no idea.

Cristina: Because there's so many questions. Like you, you don't. Like you would have asked it its name if you were working with it. I know he gave him a name. So did he not have one? Did he not need one? Then where he comes from? Like, is that the story? Does he explain that? But you don't know?

Jack: I have no idea.

Cristina: We gotta look this stuff up eventually.

Jack: Yes, that's totally on point.

Cristina: The alien has to have a backstory. I mean, like, there's no way you work with an alien and he's tell he's communicating with you and you get nothing from him besides work. Unless like the person watching over the alien is also psychic and is like stopping him from communicating outside of work. Like that's not possible.

Jack: I'm sure that. Yes, maybe question mark. He does have conversations outside of work. Related. I also believe he said one of these guys was his friend. Not just his work buddy, his friend, his friends. Which would tell me that he has heard things about a personal story. But also when we think about having personal experiences that are good with aliens and they tell you about their lives, we do have the experiences of Billy Mayer as another example of a person who claims had chill experiences with aliens where they too talk about their lives and other things.

Cristina: They have those on campus. They're like future humans or something. Like, those are lame aliens. Those aren't alien aliens. They still somehow lead to us and them being related. I want to know about aliens.

Jack: But these aliens, the Grays would also be. Which is what Bob Lazar says he.

Cristina: Was interacting with something that was related to humans. Yeah, that's not cool.

Jack: I mean, you brought it up. You wanted to talk about it.

Cristina: So I want to know about aliens that are actually aliens.

Jack: Bob Lazar has zero to do with any alien that isn't gray.

Cristina: And the aliens are. All the Grays are connected to us.

Jack: I don't know. I know that the Grays is what Bob Lazar was talking about.

Cristina: That doesn't mean they're related. That other guy, he definitely makes it seem like those people are us in the future.

Jack: Oh yeah, they totally are. But the grays are 100% related somehow because they are already bipedal, single headed, two eyed creatures. There's no freaking way that would happen twice. That's so specific. Why would that be the same case again elsewhere? That makes zero sense.

Cristina: Almost all life is like that.

Jack: Then all life has an origin, related by default. It's just like if you kept. If you had 30 dice, I guess. 30? Yeah, 30. Die. No one die. 30 dice. So you have 30 dice, you roll them all together, you throw all of them, and every single one is a six. Every time you throw all of them. That's how unlikely another creature just having two eyes, one mouth, one head, two arms, a torso, two legs, five fingers.

Cristina: Yes. Okay.

Jack: On each hand. Like, no way. The odds. The odds are so astronomical, man.

Cristina: Some of these alien stories has to be that the alien tells a person that I'm just taking this form so you can understand me or whatever, you know, like, so it wouldn't break your mind.

Jack: In the case of a gray. That makes absolute sense if they were. But they would have to. You'd only see them that way if they're cool with you, because they would convey to you. I'm gonna make a generalized image in your head in a way that fits things. You understand?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I don't look like this at all.

Cristina: No. Then you see its real form, and it's just an angel.

Jack: Yes. And gibberish. It just doesn't compute.

Cristina: Yes. Like that. Is that the same story? I don't know.

Jack: So if you go outside in a particularly dark night and you look up into el espacio, this space, the empty void that we somehow exist in. Probably a black hole that we happen to be in that swallowed a bunch of stars and whatnot. Who knows? Dark as h*** in here. For whatever reason. It's colorless, but that equals black. We don't know why.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Anyways, if we look into the sky, we can see, if you look really closely, two stars together. And those two stars together are actually together. It's not an illusion. Like when you see other two stars together, one is really far and bright and one is really close and dim. And then it looks like they're together. Together means that they are orbiting each.

Cristina: Other and not in a way that they're gonna get.

Jack: They're right. They're crashing into one another, flying away from each other. Regardless, they're orbiting each other. They're caught in each other's gravity.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And that double star system is called Zeta Reticuli. And that double star system is said to have a planet just like Earth. And that planet, just like Earth, is said to be the planet where the grays come from.

Cristina: Who says People, people say. Do people say this planet is like Earth? Or are scientists saying there's a planet like Earth there?

Jack: All of the above. And then people are saying that that's where the grays come from.

Cristina: That means nothing to me.

Jack: The aliens are attached to the scientific fact of Zeta Reticuli.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: So yes, double star. You can see it by looking up. And yes, we can tell that there are this many planets because of how the lights dim.

Cristina: And yes, tell that there is one.

Jack: Perfectly placed in order to be just like Earth. All checks out. Exoplanet is what we call them. Yes. But then enter the people that say, oh, I knew the whole, you know, I also did the thing and I know that up there is where they come from. And it's like, okay, whatever, dude. People claiming work with them or they heard from this person or whatever alien.

Cristina: So long that they come.

Jack: Yeah, that kind of stuff. You know. So the idea is that, yeah, they even have to live on a planet that's similar to ours.

Cristina: Does that.

Jack: That makes them essentially like. It makes the odds crazy high that they're just carbon based life. Yes, they must be.

Cristina: So these aliens are not that alien.

Jack: Or carbon based life always turns out bipedal.

Cristina: Yeah. Which still doesn't make them super alien. They're so alien that they're not from here, but they're not.

Jack: That means that the light, the rules of life are so identical that we're just gonna find the same s***.

Cristina: Not very fun. Why is this what people want? That's what people imag, man, people are not that creative when it comes to alien life forms. Massar's the guy who wrote Star Trek.

Jack: I guess that guy was creative as all h***.

Cristina: Yeah. I can't say the same for Star Wars. I don't know if they have anything other than human like creatures or whatever.

Jack: Star Wars?

Cristina: Yeah, like all those things that exist there. The most alien of aliens are still not that alien.

Jack: Yeah, they're like some take on an animal or some take on some bipedal humanoid.

Cristina: Yeah. The closest thing is like a slug. It's a giant slug.

Jack: Yeah. But it still has two arms, two eyes. It's not like anything particularly alien.

Cristina: Where are the creatures? A gas whale that lives in space, just swimming through space.

Jack: Totally anomalous shape.

Cristina: What? I want something like that to be discovered.

Jack: Yeah. Star Trek was pretty good at that, wasn't it? It had the two dimensional creatures. They were alive, but they only exist in two out of the three dimensions.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So you couldn't see them. That's Weird.

Cristina: Yes. Why are we looking for ourselves? I want that.

Jack: Because we have real. No other. We really, really have no other reference point. We have to test what we can make an experiment for, and we can't make an experiment for something we can't conceive. That's the problem. Until we have. Until we see something that could change how we think.

Cristina: Yeah, it's always going to be something.

Jack: It'll be random. You could literally come up with anything.

Cristina: Going to be gray. It's going to be gray. Everyone sees a gray.

Jack: And then we'll get together with the Grays and hopefully figure out if we can think outside the box enough to find something that doesn't look like us.

Cristina: But do you know anything about this specific Gray that was working with Bob?

Jack: I don't.

Cristina: Is it Bob?

Jack: Why would I know any of this? You brought Bob Lazar and the Grays up. I've never mentioned them at all. I don't know why I would know any of this.

Cristina: Because you know more information than I do. You don't know anything. Come on.

Jack: I mentioned everything I know. He worked at Area 51.

Cristina: You mentioned a lot of stuff, but you don't know anything specifically about the alien he worked with?

Jack: No, I don't know.

Cristina: That's the most interesting part of it.

Jack: That's the most interesting part to you. You should definitely look into it.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: I highly recommend it.

Cristina: Well, do you know about. What else did he mention? Like. Like, was it something that wasn't discovered until later on? Supposedly that's a. Some type of matter or something.

Jack: What, a dark matter?

Cristina: Not dark matter.

Jack: Anti matter?

Cristina: No. Some thing that belongs on the chart of things.

Jack: Oh, element. Something. Something.

Cristina: Yeah. He discovered an element before?

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He. I mean, he was correct about a bunch of random crap, which is totally weird. Predicted how the government would respond. He knew the places, he knew the names. He just can't prove he was ever at any of these places. Everybody's like, we never heard of him. But he can name the people. So the question is, is he a crazy person that did a lot of research?

Cristina: He could be.

Jack: Or is he a person who the government is trying to erase?

Cristina: It's really hard as h***. Definitely be a crazy person. It can definitely be someone they're trying to. It's the same. It's really hard to tell.

Jack: Well, regardless of what Bob Lazar might be up to at any given moment of his day, the consistency with which these UFOs seem to move suggests that we are, on average, looking at the same things or that science for these things or science in general, at an advance in a stage, seems identical to us in how strange and foreign it is. A good example is that all the UFOs seem to always defy gravity. They seem unfazed by our gravity and can move up, upwards, downwards in vertical motion effortlessly.

Cristina: Yeah, always.

Jack: Yes. In a consistent speed. No loss of speed, no need to accelerate anymore, just kind of moving fluidly through any type of atmosphere or lack thereof.

Cristina: But how do we know we're looking at a UFO or alien itself? Like how do we. How could we say?

Jack: Because we couldn't conceive of any possible current day jump in technological advancement that would allow us to do that. It would have to be something else.

Cristina: No, I mean, like how do we. We, we call it an ufo.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: But what if that was the alien itself?

Jack: Yeah, yeah. It could be 100. It could be. Oh, you mean like it's the physical thing? Yes, I mean that could be the case. We just don't know what it is. It could be technology, but it could also just be the creature.

Cristina: Yeah, the story of like it coming out of water and stuff. Like, what if it's just living down there? I don't know.

Jack: I mean that's very world of a war of the worlds where however many thousands of years ago, they saw this creature start to develop and they went and hid.

Cristina: Yeah, but those are still aliens in a device or something.

Jack: Yeah, they're hiding underneath the water intact.

Cristina: What if this thing we think is tech is not tech?

Jack: It's not tech.

Cristina: Well, but an actual biological being that looks like tech to us moves like this.

Jack: Well, if it's biological, I don't think it would be able to do that. We're basically talking about life that isn't biological. A different thing that's alive. Something else that has sentience and control over its autonomy. Something that's autonomous and in control consciously. That's what you're talking about.

Cristina: Yeah, but it's easier to like say that it's. It's got to be tech.

Jack: Well, yeah, not necessarily, though. It could definitely be this other thing, but we, There would be no way to know. There'd be no way to know. It wouldn't be biological though.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Okay, like the odds of that are likely.

Cristina: Do you think these alien stories have anything to do with the UFO stories? UFO stories, like they relate at all, do people?

Jack: What alien stories?

Cristina: Any alien story. All these people who say they encounter aliens.

Jack: It's possible. Could be absolutely two different things. The problem is that, for example, something like a Bigfoot has power, has magic, it has strange abilities, and it could easily be alien. Like, there are many creatures like that in science and folklore that definitely have the sort of elusive seem to either troll or experiment with humans. And they're just local creatures. There's just things around us that aren't alien.

Cristina: Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, are they related? Are these two different things?

Jack: That's my. What my point is ultimately, like, it's possible that they're unrelated because. Because it could be any number of things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: If there's way more things it could be, it's less likely. It's specifically this one thing, as opposed to every different story being a different thing.

Cristina: Every different story.

Jack: Yeah. Stories that are related and have the same themes or the same things. But that doesn't necessarily mean aliens. And that also doesn't mean that it's connected to the other weird things that happen that aren't identical to these weird things.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Aliens could cover all the weird things, but it could be a bunch of unalien weird things taking place.

Cristina: So weird.

Jack: Yeah. Now, another thing that these UFOs seem to be capable of is instant acceleration. That means that they can go from zero to 60, but literally instantaneously. There is no in two point, however. No, it's just zero to 60 as you're just suddenly going 60 miles per hour. Well, imagine that. But as fast as you can imagine.

Cristina: And that has to be very advanced because if you're moving that fast, you have to be predicting everything that's in front of you so that you don't crash or anything.

Jack: Just predicting. You have to be protecting whatever the h***'s inside the vessel from acceleration.

Cristina: You have to have some future knowledge, because you could easily hit a mountain or something.

Jack: No, that's not future knowledge. That's 100%. You get used to moving at these speeds and calculating things that are just at farther distances as opposed to closer. When you're moving at a car's speed, like, yeah, a mountain is something you should know about when it's close.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But when you're going at these supersonic speeds, you're like, preparing for the mountain quite some distance away because you're gonna cover that distance in no time. So you're, like, making corrections ahead of time. You don't need to know the future. You just need to think ahead.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Yeah, you just think even farther. You still. Like when you're driving a car, you're looking at like, okay, my turn is three blocks from now. And before you get to the right corner, you counted two streets, and then you're like, well, oh, that's the street up there.

Cristina: Yeah. But you slow down to take that turn while these things don't need to do that.

Jack: Well, that would be another interesting thing about these things against instant acceleration goes with the instant stop, they can go from zero to 300 miles per hour and then go to. From 300 miles per hour to zero instantaneously without at any moment requiring to slow down. It's just stopped suddenly.

Cristina: Man, this tech is so advanced. I would think it's robots.

Jack: A robot could pull it off for sure.

Cristina: Yeah, like the alien.

Jack: But now we're talking probes. Yeah, that's exactly what we've been talking. We're talking alien probes. That would be a robot. Because aliens would want to be here themselves. Unless that's just an us thought. Yes, because again, we would want to be there ourselves. But we're very prideful. We want to be able to have the story to tell.

Cristina: That doesn't mean everything's like us.

Jack: Yes. We just got nothing. We have no other perspective is the problem.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So we got to go with us.

Cristina: Yes. That makes it hard.

Jack: Yeah, it makes it hard. It makes our thinking savagely limited. We don't know what we don't know.

Cristina: So everything's like us.

Jack: Yep. Until we know something that isn't. Now, with these instant accelerations and sudden stoppages and complete lack of restriction from our gravity, the weirdest part isn't those two things. It's actually that it does, on average, all of them do both those things, and they do them without leaving any sort of signature. There's no sign of what propulsion system they're using. They're just suddenly moving, and there isn't a vapor trail. There isn't fumes. There is no smoke. There is nothing.

Cristina: But then shouldn't we be that fans? If Bob Lazar is telling the truth and they were trying to do that thing, what's it called?

Jack: Bob Lazar's argument is that we actually are seeing our own tech.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Yes. Okay, that makes more sense.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Like, if we were working to figure that out, then we should definitely have that.

Jack: Yes, yes. His argument is that we have that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he worked on it.

Cristina: Why would the government. Why would people from the military be questioning if they're seeing aliens? Like, why would we try to say like. Or the government say like, okay, these are aliens?

Jack: Because we're not gonna say we have this level of tech if we have this level of level of tech that will make the other countries okay.

Cristina: Ah, since we were just covering up our own techno.

Jack: Yes, that's his argument by saying these.

Cristina: Are definitely 100 aliens.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: Although some of it is definitely us. Like, yeah, there's some aliens, but a lot of it.

Jack: No, the United States government is not. It's. They're not saying that it's aliens. The United States government is saying, no, there's nothing crazy like that. There's advanced technology, but it's nothing like that.

Cristina: Oh, they're not even saying what it is. They're just saying.

Jack: Yeah, they're just like, that's to it something.

Cristina: We don't know what it is.

Jack: No, they're not saying we. Oh, the ships are. The alien UFOs are like, we don't know what those are.

Cristina: Yeah, but they're not saying aliens. They're just saying.

Jack: And the technically clean they're working on the Area 51 is just, you know, our tech. We don't need enemies talking about it. So they got both angles covered ultimately.

Cristina: Okay. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, they're like, they're not saying it's us. It's too advanced. If it was us. Problem. They're like, yeah, we got the tech. Every country in the world is gonna figure it out and we haven't.

Cristina: Yeah, and we don't want to scare.

Jack: The other countries into actually figuring it out when we haven't, because then we would be the only one without it. Or whoever does figure it out is now the most dangerous country on earth.

Cristina: But if we have it, we don't want them to know because then they'll be paying attention to what we're doing.

Jack: Yes, but also they'll know that we're factually more dangerous than we claim we.

Cristina: Are, which is still pretty dangerous. Like, I don't know, it's bad no matter what. Why would we lie?

Jack: No, because we couldn't tell them. We couldn't be like, oh, yeah, we're ridiculously stronger than you guys. It's gonna be too easy. They're just gonna team up and nuke us. That's not a good plan.

Cristina: Okay. Even though we're already saying we're the strongest thing ever.

Jack: Yes, but it sounds like bullshit to the rest of the world. That's fine.

Cristina: So we're just saying that as a cover up to us.

Jack: No, we're not saying it as a cover up. We're saying it and meaning it. But we can't. We're not gonna prove it to them. So, like, they're just idiots who Are prideful.

Cristina: That's so crazy. So crazy. Okay.

Jack: Yeah. But at the end of the day then we really do have some crazy attack like that. And it's like if we needed the smackdown, we could.

Cristina: What are we waiting for? Unless. Then again, what do you want us.

Jack: To use it on?

Cristina: No, I'm like, then what are they doing? They have it. Unless it is for the aliens.

Jack: I don't know what the United States government.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Why they have the technology that's been reverse engineered.

Cristina: Yeah. Like if they're not going to use on other people because once other people figure it out, it's whatever. Like they'll just make something to protect themselves against whatever it is that we have.

Jack: Yeah. And it'll be.

Cristina: Pretty fast.

Jack: Yeah, TECMO is pretty fast. But you're ultimately just at this point talking about civilians, not aliens. Because we don't know how this other thing that isn't our own technology moves because that's also human thought. Assuming they took our science route to the knowledges and technologies they have, they probably found a completely different way. Which is why it's so difficult for us to reverse engineer the technology in the first place. We used science, they used insert value at X and we don't know what the h*** insert value at X is.

Cristina: I don't think we figured it out.

Jack: We might have, but we might have not. And we definitely needed help. Like the alien, he's like, I'll learn from you and you learn from me. And maybe we can make both of these things work out so that we both understand each other.

Cristina: Singing it's hard to imagine that that's a true story. I need to know that story. I need to know the details. The aliens.

Jack: No, I don't.

Cristina: I 100% don't because it just makes no sense. It makes so much little sense.

Jack: Now something else that these ships are capable of is what seems to be a low observability or cloaking.

Cristina: A low.

Jack: Yeah, they seem to. A lot of 95% of the time what you see is a glowing light around their outline or they seem to be almost blending into the environment perfectly and you're just barely noticing them.

Cristina: Okay, so they have a great camouflage.

Jack: Yes. They seem to have the ability to either become barely visible or cloak themselves.

Cristina: We don't have that tech. We do have something like that.

Jack: According to Bob Lazar, we have that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But again, I don't really care much about that guy. We don't have any way to prove anything in any direction with him.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But according to our Own government? No, we don't have the kind of technology.

Cristina: I feel like we love that technology. That's.

Jack: We probably have a lot of the crap we say we don't have. Our government lies a lot. And then the final thing that this, these UFOs on average have are trans medium travel, which is essentially the ability to go from water to ground, ground to air.

Cristina: Yeah, that's a hard one. That's tough. Like to imagine that we have that.

Jack: Text effortlessly not losing speed, not dealing with friction, just moving across all mediums of travel without any form of resistance. That's hardcore going to space.

Cristina: That is robotic alien.

Jack: That's crazy, right? Like how do you travel like that and not get crushed? Yeah, unless you're using warp. If you're warping space around you, you wouldn't feel anything. You could go at any speed you'd like, depending on how much warp energy you could produce. And you can move in any direction. You wouldn't need propulsion.

Cristina: The things around you though.

Jack: No, you're, you're moving space itself. Everything is warping. We know a black hole can warp the things around it without destroying them.

Cristina: I thought the black hole was destroying.

Jack: If they cross the event horizon. But there's a bunch of outside of it that when we look at it, it looks like a smudge. And that's just how the visual is coming to us. We know that works that way. So this could work.

Cristina: Okay, so warp, Warp.

Jack: Warp would solve the problem. But if you got warp that functions and you could use on a small scale, totally controlled, we definitely don't have war. That's like way out there. We're talking based on what we think we have. That means our government would be hiding several thousand years worth worth of advancements.

Cristina: No, you know, yeah, that's, that's what we can imagine them with a lot of that. But that, that, that's too far.

Jack: Yeah, we're talking like maybe a thousand years worth of advancement that's just being kept secret from the mass population.

Cristina: That's too crazy. That's just too crazy.

Jack: I don't know. Yeah, of course. That's absolutely nuts. Where do the odds.

Cristina: So you think they're out there? Do you think they're alien or. I don't know. What if it is a creature that can just move like that?

Jack: That's totally a possibility.

Cristina: Do you think it's from. Not from here though.

Jack: I don't know. I have no clue. It's something that's absolutely not identical.

Cristina: We never like with these stories, they're never Leaving to space. Are they?

Jack: Some of them are.

Cristina: They are. Okay, well, I guess with this military story, they're never leaving into space.

Jack: Some of them are.

Cristina: They are, yeah, there's many. There's hundreds traveling around Earth and going into the water and then coming back out and stuff like that. But they're going into space.

Jack: Some of them go into space as they just travel upward and vanish in these military stories. Yeah, some of them do. Well, it's more about stories that the Pentagon has collected from whatever manner, shape or form way.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Ultimately that's the case.

Cristina: Are you sure?

Jack: Yes. Now, things related to UFOs. Interestingly enough, apart from a bunch of different ufologists like Bob Lazar and Billy Mayer, there is also these weird other people, the men in black. Now, the men in black are actually very related specifically to UFOs.

Cristina: They are either aliens or government. Or a mixture of two.

Jack: Yes, something along those lines. They claim to be government agents on average.

Cristina: There's something very off about them.

Jack: Yes. And they always interrogate, harass, threaten and assassinate UFO witnesses, sometimes even going as far as completely erasing the memories.

Cristina: Is there really stories of them assassinating alien. Not aliens. People who've seen aliens.

Jack: Yes, but those stories are as provable as the stories of them wiping somebody's memory.

Cristina: Okay. Okay. Do you think. I don't know. That's very strange. Like there's really people out there doing that. There's too many people who see aliens for that to be a thing. There's too many people who claim to see UFOs, and just a few of them see men in black. Like how little. Like how often is the men in black involved in these stories?

Jack: Interesting ratios. So you're telling me that not. Well, I guess the idea is maybe they're only showing up to the people who've seen the real ufo. Some people are just reporting seeing a ufo.

Cristina: The people that. Okay, these stories with the men in black involved.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Are they similar at all?

Jack: They're always the same. Yes.

Cristina: No, they're alien story. Not the seeing, the.

Jack: Oh, I get where you're coming from. You're trying to corroborate the data.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The idea is, do the people who get visited by men in black report having seen the same thing things? Well, the question is, would that matter?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Because if there are different kinds of aliens visiting to the point that we require an organization, why would they all be using the same propulsion system, the same method of transportation, or look the same in any manner, shape or form? So if men in Black, then why would there be any pattern?

Cristina: Okay, so this is like the Men in Black movie where it's just all random.

Jack: Yes, it could in theory be on the flip side. That is a great point to start. Maybe there is just some other thing locally that we're trying to keep a secret instead of a bunch of crap. At least it's worth trying.

Cristina: It's really hard to imagine that it's a bunch of crap. And then we got these few people trying to keep this bunch of crap a secret.

Jack: That's working.

Cristina: Ridiculous.

Jack: If it's just these few people, then good, because it's working.

Cristina: That would be impossible though.

Jack: Who says it's working? It's literally the case. If it just happens to be those few people, it's literally what happened. Then yes, it works. They don't.

Cristina: Why does it work if there's still stories of the Men in Black, like they're not doing a great job?

Jack: If there's stories about them, have you proven them? Have you seen them yourself? Has any. Can anybody prove it? It doesn't matter. Those are crazy people. We have them all labeled as conspiracy theories and nut jobs. The job is done well when you can point at them and the rest of us are just like, you're seeing s***. That's just a guy in a suit. That's some bomb a** brainwashing, huh? I don't think they need more people if it's that easy.

Cristina: It's so easy, then why would you need Men in Black? Like, you just look at that person and be like, he's crazy.

Jack: Except if there's nobody to tell you you're crazy and everybody else can look and see it, then you just have people that know their job is to be like, oh, no, this is what you saw and evidence. Oh no, we get rid of it. There's no proof. Photos. We destroyed them all. That's the crazy person. They'll just say, oh, we destroyed them. Okay, who the h*** are we? Strangers broke into your house and destroyed your photos, you nut job. Like, we'll just break and destroy them and nobody will ever believe this person.

Cristina: You need those photos. Crazy stories. And like, aliens usually do it too. Like, what's the difference?

Jack: Nobody can prove s***. Just make them all crazy. The job of black would be to make them all seem crazy at the end. And it would be super easy. Just destroy the proof. Then nobody can prove s***.

Cristina: But sometimes it's the aliens destroying the proof. Like, what is the difference between Men in Black visiting you after aliens visiting you and just aliens visiting you. After aliens visited you.

Jack: Who says the men in black aren't aliens that are trying to protect their tracks?

Cristina: I don't. It's also similar. I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I don't understand your point.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: It's just a. Like they're definitely something that is weird.

Cristina: Something weird is going on.

Jack: Yeah, like I guess they could be aliens too. They could be like who did. They could be. They're just agents. That's the only thing we know factually. They work for the United States government. Whether they're alien or not seems to defeat the. The point ultimately. I guess it could be in theory, aliens that happen to work for the United States government and are trying to protect the identity of other aliens. But that checks out considering what humans do on average to that isn't like them. So kind of, kind of makes a lot of sense that we would just be like, let's hide this from commoners we seem to like to kill. And that doesn't seem productive for peace with things that can travel the f****** stars so well, those things are killing us. Who says?

Cristina: The people's stories, I guess.

Jack: No, they are all there to tell the story. How are they dead?

Cristina: But you're saying even the men in black are killing people. Are they not really killing people?

Jack: Again, that we. We don't know. They're just the men in black and what people say they do is interrogate, harass, threaten and assassinate UFO witnesses. But this is probably also being said by UFO witnesses who have never seen the men in black.

Cristina: So it's all stories. At the end of the day, there's.

Jack: No way to know. All of this is just stuff that gets discussed in ufology. That's all. Just.

Cristina: There's nothing we can say.

Jack: No, otherwise it would be a fact. We couldn't even do this in science if we wanted to. It's just not something that could happen. Facts are a lie that the government made up to trick us all into thinking that there are such things as facts. There's no facts. Everything is a theory in every manner, shape or form. Nothing is provable and everything is opinion.

Cristina: Facts of life, knowing.

Jack: But yes, the men in black are said to be these people that interrogate, harass, threaten and assassinate UFO witnesses, sometimes going as far as erasing their memory or again, assassination. None of this is provable. But that is what is said. They usually claim to be government agents. They behave very strangely, which suggests they're either really weird people or really just non humans pretending to be humans and working for the government. Some of them, at least. Some of them are. Some of them are just people. There's awkward people who are just human, I guess. Who knows? Maybe you need a spread. Maybe there's a specific gene that makes people awkward and just so happens to be the right gene to be in the man. Like, who knows what.

Cristina: That'd be crazy. Yeah, they need me then. I can fit that.

Jack: But, yeah, ultimately, here are just the things. These are. This is a small list of things related to UFOs, since, again, I saw the now, not the NASA, the Pentagon thing, talking about we don't know what they are and. Yeah, the papers, the sheets of papers with words. And they were just talking about how they don't know what the h*** these things are or what they're using for, again, propulsion and why they're not affected by gravity and how they traverse. Yeah, they got camouflage and they move through all forms of terrain and space and air and water effortlessly and they. They just. All of it is ridiculous and crazy and they leave no trail when they move. That's nuts.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And then we got this Bob Lazar guy who claims things, and we got this Billy Mayer guy who claims things, and they're just too popular names. There's many. There's many. There's so many. So many popular names out there for people who are involved in these things. See, there's a small shred of it for UFOs. That's. That's what I've been looking at, UFO wise, trying to think of whether or not these things are real, whether they're alien, whether the technology, what they. What's the case is they are human technology in an advanced way.

Cristina: It's hard to believe anything that aliens. That people say. Aliens say like, it's always like they're evil, where they're trying to trick you into their being good. And it feels like, is this any different from, like, people talking about demons or ghosts? Like, what's the difference?

Jack: It's the same.

Cristina: It's the same.

Jack: It's the same. It falls. So ufology generally falls into somewhere of a form of religion like Catholicism or the sciences or any of these things that people just ritualize. And there's a faith that can't be proven because of what XYZ reason, whether the Big Bang happened before humanity existed and before the universe was created. God exists before. Before the concept of life was a thing or aliens or the creators or the ultimate. Like, whatever the case might be, there's no proving any of these. These are all religions and they relate on that account and none of them can prove anything that they talk about.

Cristina: It's annoying.

Jack: Yeah, but it's all theories in all the cases. There's nothing to be proven. Anyways. Anyways, I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. We do talk many times about aliens and other creatures of sorts.

Cristina: Did you learn anything?

Jack: We didn't really learn anything. I just talked about a couple of points that seem to be common in ufology. Just discussed general ufology, and I believe that. Yeah. Now there are again, we have episodes where we do in fact get to conclusions of sorts. But this episode is essentially just kind of a small breakdown, talking about it, discussing these things, what they do, what the ideas are, and a popular name that seems to be part of it and is obsessed with these things and.

Cristina: Claims to have been the popular thing. Oh, that was Men in Black.

Jack: Well, Men in Black is also extremely popular when it comes to these things. Anyways, okay, I hope you guys enjoyed this conversation. If you want to contact us and talk to us about any of this stuff, you could find us at just Convopod on Twitter, Instagram, Tick Tock or Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe. Right. And review the show. Yeah.

Jack: And word of mouth is extremely powerful. So tell people about the aliens and then maybe you guys will be visited by some men in Black. It'll be lovely.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye.

April 22, 2023

Rambling 223: What is LGBTQ?

April 22, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

What does LGBT mean? Is it trying to express gender, orientation or physical sex descriptions? Is being all inclusive dangerous? The duo unpack the term LGBT and its extensions, and attempt to understand how the movement supporting pedophilia and pedophiles has successfully taken cover using the LGBT movement.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

LGB
Sexual Orientation
Transism
Drag Queens
Children Exposed to Drag Queens
Gender
Inclusiveness
Pedophiles

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we discuss humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And I believe that we have stumbled upon an interesting problem.

Cristina: What's that?

Jack: Well, right now, you and I were sitting here, we were having a conversation about lgbt. And the B in LGBT standing for bi, which already is suggestive of only two sexualities. I said gender is original. Two genders suggests two genders, but thinking about it, it's suggesting what they would like to have sexual interactions with, not what they're identifying as. Gender is what you identify as.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Sex is what you are, and orientation is what you're attracted to. Right. This is. This is the three. The three important things to note. Noun. Something interesting happened with the letters lgbt, and later they added a plus to it, and then, like a million other things behind it, the Alphabet people will call them. While discussing this, we discovered that if B mean sex, and LGBT is talking about not just gender, but actually sex, it's assuming they're both the same in this name. Because weirdly enough, out of this sex acronym came the gender people.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: The people who later started identifying as, you know, pansexual and non binary. The trans people. Everything.

Cristina: All of that came out of trans, isn't it?

Jack: LGBT is trans, then trans was always in there. Then where? If. So, it had orientation included, too. Fascinating. It did have orientation. Well, no. Orientation is what you're attracted to. Sex is what you are. So it's all three. If the L means sex because you're a lesbian, you are. You're telling us what you like to have sex with.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The B is the same, also telling us what you like to have sex with. Both of those are orientation. So with the G, gay is also telling us orientation. Lgbt, but trans isn't. No, trans is telling us sex.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Oh, it immediately got weird.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Which means maybe. Is that what the plus means? It's the gender people. Yes, it's the 3 sec. But there's an issue here, bruh. Why gay and lesbian? Sure, they're clinging to liking a specific, identifying gender and sex. Sweet. Whatever. Those are only two instances. So why isn't there, like, the people who. This weird, interesting thought that kind of pokes a huge hole in this logic, which is, if there are women who just like women and there are men who just like men, why aren't there non binary people who only like non binary people? Where are the trans that only like trans?

Cristina: They probably are.

Jack: I would figure it is more intentional in the case. Not the trans.

Cristina: Q for queer. I don't know if that's important.

Jack: Queer's a weird one because it literally just means weird.

Cristina: Queerd isn't just another word for gay.

Jack: No, it's. It's like the. The literal definition of it originally is just strange or weird.

Cristina: Strange or weird. Yeah.

Jack: That's what queer originally is.

Cristina: There's also an I for intersex. Well, queer and questioning. Q is for queer and questioning. And then there's the A for A.

Jack: But questioning what? Questioning what? What are they questioning? Huh? Is it sexuality?

Cristina: It could be.

Jack: It's orientation. They're questioning their orientation.

Cristina: It could be anything. It could be sexual. It could be your lesbian gay. What you feel like you are. Because there are people who aren't sure.

Jack: About or all sex, Right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. No, wrong, wrong, wrong. Lesbian, gay, and by your all orientation. I love to have sex with these things. Is the. The statement of those three letters in that code, which one? You said LG and B.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Lesbian. I love. I'm a woman who identifies as a woman and loves to f*** other women. G. I'm a guy who loves other guys and loves to f*** other guys. Identify as guys. Well, and by a person. I'm a person who identifies as one thing and likes these two specific other things. Other things.

Cristina: Okay, then there's the T and the I.

Jack: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. We. We've added crap on over time. That's wrong. The original is lgbt.

Cristina: Okay, then just T. That's the ending of it.

Jack: That's trans.

Cristina: You're just gonna say train, O.

Jack: And the sex. Because in being trans, you're not telling us what you are attracted to. No, that's a big point the LGBT community makes. You could be trans and have a million different flavors and be interested in million different things. Okay, so that's not orientation, that's sex. The question is, then, if trans is sexual, is cross dressing and as result drag queening an extension of transism?

Cristina: I think so.

Jack: Do they believe that it's an. It's an extension of transism?

Jack: Because here's the following thought. Because if it is an extension of transism, if cross dressing and. Or drag queening is an extension of transism and transism is an inherent sex, then you are going in front of children. And in other words, the point of your activity, although you're doing it in an artistic fashion that might be singing or dancing or whatever you're doing is in fact saying, this is what I got between my legs. Which is a weird thing to be doing. If cross dressing. Listen clearly. Again, if cross dressing and drag queening are an extension of transism, and transism is inherently just informing us on what you have between your legs at any given moment. That's your sex. You're telling us what your sex is. Then being intentionally a drag queen with the point of informing children of drag queening is at the very top of its point. If the point of drag queening is saying, I am this, then you're saying I am this to children. Except the I am this that.

Cristina: What you're trying to say, you're making it very strange because it's like you're saying, if you're telling a child you're a man, you're telling your. The child you have a p****. So that's inappropriate. Like, what?

Jack: Well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. The idea is that if it's about what you have in between your legs and the fashion you decided to do it in was in a dress and you were twerking on a child, which is literally the video that I recalled it. Trip me the f*** out.

Cristina: They were on a child.

Jack: They were twerking to the children. Not on a child specifically. Okay, but they're on a stage twerking.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And they could not have been older than, like, five or six.

Cristina: It's weird.

Jack: Yeah. The weird thing is, I didn't know originally it was in front of children.

Cristina: What?

Jack: Yeah, because the camera. Which after the camera shift, you realize has to be apparent, but it looks like they're at a concert or something, and they're watching the drag queen do their thing. And, you know, it's really risque, you know, really tongue in cheek. A lot of twerking, a lot of dancing, a lot of inappropriate, like, body touches and stuff. You're like, okay, clever dance. But the excited whoever has the camera then shifts to show us the reaction of the audience, which happens to be a bunch of children. That was a weird left turn I didn't see coming.

Cristina: That is weird.

Jack: That is weird. That is very strange. And I was part of the camp that was like, why are you worried about, like, I get it, but it's like, bro, you really just allow guns in the schools? Like, who gives a s***? Let somebody break their mind. At least they'll live through it, you know, like, whatever. I don't care. The grim, but, like, still way better Than the alternative, which is what they're cool with. Like, bro, if you let one thing, let the other thing whatever. I guess ultimately let them get both their minds broken and then shot is the answer here, but not the point I'm trying to make.

Cristina: What is the point?

Jack: The fact that we did kind of look the other way, and it was just a bunch of children this guy was holding his fake breast to and grabbing his crotch too, and twerking to. It was children.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That was the plot twist of that video. It was like, hey, look at the audiences. We're like, okay, why is this the audience question? Yeah, because. Let's go back to it. Is. This is my question. I'm not saying it is. I'm just asking, is cross dressing and drag queening an extension of trans. Of transism? If it is, then, holy, there's undeniable problems. If it isn't, then, okay, we have more room to wiggle. It's still creepy. That doesn't stop what I saw from being the case. Yeah, but at least they're not inherently sexual. We might just see it sexual because we're conditioned weird or whatever, and we're like, oh, well, you're in a dress, but you're really just talking about, look, I love my femininity. You know, I can. I can rationalize it. Easy. I love my femininity. And females these days are twerking and stuff, and, you know, it's fine.

Cristina: But would you still. I don't know.

Jack: If you wouldn't put my kid there. No.

Cristina: Exactly. Even if it was just a woman born as a woman twerking on stage in front of your child.

Jack: Problem is inherently sexual. Right? It's inherently sexual. The whole performance is a profile. Yes.

Cristina: Yeah. Like, it doesn't matter who it is. It's an adult and it's in front of children and they're twerking.

Jack: I will tell you why it matters who it is.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because you can Google females dancing for children, which I did, and you won't really find much. It's kind of hard. But you can Google men dancing for children and. Well, it depends on your perspective, I suppose.

Cristina: So there are men also dancing in front of children.

Jack: Drag queens. It's all that will show up in its many videos, and it's problematic now, is it problem? I guess that's my question. In my point of view. In my point of view, I would not have my child get. I wouldn't want my child to see anybody, regardless of what coat you put on it. I don't Want to see you grab your crotch, your breasts, and then twerk at yeah my Child. Like, I don't want that. Regardless of who you are.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: The fact that I can only find guys doing it kind of omegled me.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Omegle is that random, like, video place where all the guys. You know, when's the last time somebody stumbles upon a chick masturbating on Omegle viciously? Like, never. That's never happened. Okay, I know females rape males. It's happened. But, like, how often is that really happening as opposed to the number of guys just raping women? Like, okay, there's a. There's a real pattern we're seeing here. And, like, I'm not saying there isn't some woman twerking at a bunch of children. There probably is some douchebag who paid a stripper to go and dance for some kids as a troll. Something happened. I don't know. Somebody did happened. The fact that it's happening enough with guys that we can just record it on average, that's like, yes. The women doing it too. There's anybody doing it. That's problem. There's a problem. This is bad. Bad, bad, bad. What is wrong with men?

Cristina: Maybe it's. What if it was the same number, but you're gonna record the man? Because it's like, whoa, this is weird. But if a lady is doing that, you're not gonna find it that weird. And then you don't record it. What are those chances?

Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's definitely a way to think about it.

Cristina: Because if it was happening the same amount, would there be equal amount of recordings, though?

Jack: I think so. There was that one time. Yes. There was that one time that black teacher wore the really nice dress, but she was too curvy, so they called her attention and then fired her.

Cristina: Oh, my gosh.

Jack: And it's like, you got fired for being hot in school. She wear a dress, and it was not a risque dress. It was just a tight dress, but it went down to her, like, ankles.

Cristina: And she got fired.

Jack: She got fired because she's too hot and distracting or something. They didn't say too hot. They said, you're too distracting or something along those lines.

Cristina: Can they really say something like that?

Jack: I don't know. Like, it was like, there. She's preventing the students from learning.

Cristina: Sure. Okay.

Jack: Like, America ration. She was in some red state. I'm. I'm sure. I'm sure she was in some red save. But that's ultimately my question.

Cristina: You don't want or.

Jack: I guess there's a couple of questions.

Cristina: There's a couple of questions. Okay. What are they?

Jack: Question 1. Is cross dressing and drag queening an extension of transism? Like a version of being the other. Something you imagine without having to be the other thing that. So you are it.

Cristina: Sometimes I feel like this should be another word.

Jack: My question is, is it a subcategory?

Cristina: It's not a subcategory. It's not the same.

Jack: You think it's a different letter.

Cristina: Yeah. Because they don't feel like a woman. Men that like to dress like women just like to dress like women.

Jack: Some of them, yeah.

Cristina: But I'm just saying those men. Yeah. Drag queens that just like to dress like women because they like to dress like women. But, yeah, they're straight. They're just married straight men.

Jack: Yeah, they're just men. They're just men.

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, they're just man.

Jack: They're just men. Some of them are straight. Some of them are gay. Some of them got wives and they go drag queen as a job.

Cristina: Yeah. For fun.

Jack: Like, they like it, but it's your hobby.

Cristina: I don't think that's trans.

Jack: I don't. Yeah, so. So we. We're thinking that it's not a part of transism.

Cristina: No, no, I don't think so.

Jack: So there's. It's its own thing. So it's a different letter. So it's the D. It's the D in lgbtqd.

Cristina: Drag.

Jack: Drag is drag. But then the question is, is drag a sexuality or is drag an orientation or is drag a gender?

Cristina: I don't know, because, like, you wouldn't call a tomboy. Something you wouldn't call tomboy is a gender you call tomboy.

Jack: It's a boyish female.

Cristina: Okay. Then it's. Whatever that is. It's that. That descriptor. That's. That's all that is. It's a gender. Okay. Yes, it's a gender. Then it's not a sexuality. It's not a sex. It's a gender.

Jack: This is my identity.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I guess I identify as a guy who likes to dress like a woman.

Cristina: Yeah. Like I'm a girl who likes to dress like a boy. Or I'm a boy who.

Jack: I'm a guy. Sometimes I'm a girl.

Cristina: A girl. But that doesn't relate to what they're interested in.

Jack: Yes. At all times. I'm attracted to women.

Cristina: True. Gender is. Yeah, they're attracted to sexes.

Jack: Yeah, they're Attracted to you. Could you? So you. Yeah, fair enough. Yes, I agree.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's fire in some hot fire lava.

Cristina: Gender, then.

Jack: It's a gender.

Cristina: Okay, there you go. Lgbtq, is it?

Jack: All six? Yeah. So solid. Solid. You've. You've successfully with nothing but logic, divided transism.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And drag queening. And you've made drag queening inherently not sexual. You made a gender. Ooh, nice. So we've literally stated not just what it's not, but what it is.

Cristina: Even though transgender has gender in its name, that doesn't make it a gender. That's your sex. You're saying I'm not this sex, I'm that sex?

Jack: Yes, exactly.

Cristina: Yes. While being drag is I'm this sex. I just like to dress like that sex. Or I guess I just like to dress different from what you expect me to dress.

Jack: Well, this brings in the next part of the problem. Question number two.

Cristina: Oh, no.

Jack: What is transism transitioning? The person who transitions suggesting that there is only one direction to transition. Because hear me out. This is my theory as to why the gender people should wage war on transism and transism should rage war back on the gender people. Because no trans person has ever transitioned into something that is non existent. No trans person has ever transitioned into pansexual.

Cristina: That's a sex, though. I don't understand.

Jack: Exactly. So there are just two sexes. And like even the people trying to argue that question, you'd then have to exclude the trans people if you wanted to say that trans and gender are the. That gender and sex are the same.

Cristina: Thing and that there's more people are confusing gender and sex. There's a million genders. There's only two sex. Yes, that's all.

Jack: Yeah, but then why are they in the L? Why are they the T?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: The trans people.

Cristina: Why they. The T?

Jack: Why are they the T in lgbt?

Cristina: Why not include them? I don't know.

Jack: Because that's not an orientation. And why is all the other crap included if those are not orientations? I mean, I guess pansexual is, but I. What you identify as my identity, like that has nothing to do with lgbt. So you identifying as a woman has nothing to do with LGBT because that's your orientation?

Cristina: Well, if it's a. Well, I guess it now is. It's about all of it. It's all. It's about your sex, your gender and.

Jack: Your visit sex, gender and sex, gender and orientation. But that is a problem.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because being attracted to children is an orientation. It is what you like. So pedophiles would have to be part of lgbt? No, that's f****** crazy. You see the problem.

Cristina: Holes everywhere have to do with being a pedophile?

Jack: No, it's unrelated. I'm just. I'm just talking about the entire problem with the LGBT code we see. Is it. If it is about sex, yes, but.

Cristina: That'S, that's mental disorder.

Jack: If it's about orientation. Well, is it? Is it? If it is, I'm sure it is in many cases.

Cristina: Is it an ever kiss A mental disorder?

Jack: Yeah. You think there aren't people just genuinely attracted to children? What did we do before the 1800s when we invented the concept of a child? People didn't even catch on to that advancement. Some of our grandparents had your parents when they were like 13 brothers. Do you see the problem here? Is it a mental disorder? No. We invented being a child. That's a concept we made up kind of less than 200 years ago.

Cristina: But we make rules all the time and we're following these rules.

Jack: Well, that's not my point. I'm not saying it's okay to be a pedophile. I'm saying being a pedophile is a sexual orientation. That is a sexual preference. That is something you like to have.

Cristina: Sex with and you keep that to yourself and never tell anyone.

Jack: Yeah, sure. Whatever the case might be, the point being, if LGBT is inclusive of sex, orientation and gender, the problem is orientation is there. Which means any version of anyone attracted to another thing is an orientation. I'm sure people who are sexually attracted to cars have to be. They have to, because it's what you're sexually attracted to. You know, sex shame here because. But that's a problem if we don't. Sex shame here.

Cristina: There is some sex.

Jack: You see the issue. Okay, yeah, exactly. Issues for days. That's quite. That's quite the hefty problem.

Cristina: That's the plus. The plus is what we don't want to talk about.

Jack: Well, then this brings me to my next point. People got really angry at this video about this one girl who was trying to defend the concept, and this is terrible, but she was like, stop calling them pedophiles. It's offensive. Call them. What was it? Call them minor. A minor attracted person. Call them a minor attracted person.

Cristina: That sounds better, bruh.

Jack: Whether it sounds better or not, people freaked out on her. Because obviously you're trying to reframe the fact that the people you're talking about f*** kids. Burrow. But according to the logic of LGBT or no, it's as soon as we get the trans, it stops being, what the f***? Your orientation. As soon it's in the original set, it's problematic.

Cristina: Exactly. So you can't ignore it.

Jack: You can't break this apart.

Cristina: It was just lgb. No.

Jack: If it's lgbt, at least you're fine.

Cristina: But he's always there. I thought the problem was a T.

Jack: Well, no, the problem is orientation. The problem is the first three letters. Actually, it's elder B and the G. The G and the B. Because they're telling us what they like to. Yes, the problem is people were telling us what they like to.

Cristina: Yeah, that.

Jack: It's the trans people. I'm sorry, trans people. You weren't the bad people here. It was the. The gays and the lesbians and the bi people who are only attracted to gays and lesbians. Because one. That's only two things. And that's offensive inherently, I guess, right? Is that how that works? Because there's more than just two. If you're bi, you should be. But no, bi is inherently too this or that. That's what bi means.

Cristina: But that's why they got so many other words for bi. If you don't like bi, which I think bi shouldn't matter. I think bi should mean you like everything or not really. No, Pisa. It really depends on the person. It doesn't even matter. It's just a word.

Jack: I only like who identify as non binary or gender fluid.

Cristina: I guess. Then that's what queer is. Queer is you like super specific. I don't know. I don't know what queer is.

Jack: How do we even identify if queer is talking about sex or orientation? Is queer telling us you're weird about what you like? Or is queer telling us you're weird about how you feel? Like, I don't. I don't know. This is an unclear, fuzzy middle ground of sorts.

Cristina: I don't know. Cause I gotta look up the moon. Denoting or relating to sexual or gender identity that does not correspond to established ideas of sexuality or gender, especially a heterosexual norm.

Jack: You see the issue here, right? You see the issue here? Sexuality and gender. Why? Why sexuality and gender? Why not just gender? Why are you telling us what you like to f***? That's a problem. Or if you're telling us what you like to f***, why are you telling us what's between your legs? And why the f*** are you telling us what you feel like? There's three parts here that shouldn't be all smashed together because we're what you.

Cristina: Think they should be completely different.

Jack: Yes. I think there should be a huge difference between orientation, which is what you like the f***, sex, which is what you have between your legs, and gender, which is what you feel like regardless of what you like the f*** and what you have between your legs. Why are they bunched and crushed into one thing?

Cristina: Because that's what the heterosexual people don't like. They kick them out and put them in that group. That group was made to protect each other from the people who are straight.

Jack: Straight, yes, from the straight dangers.

Cristina: Like that's the whole point of the group, is to protect the people in the group.

Jack: Was it.

Cristina: That was the original Spiders? Yeah.

Jack: Oh, crap. Interesting. So it has nothing.

Cristina: It's just protecting the weirdos? Pretty much. Not weirdos.

Jack: So why is being a rocker not in there? Why is it being like goth? Goths are just rejects.

Cristina: I don't think goths would be there.

Jack: I mean. No, they would inherently. So would the punks, but.

Cristina: Exactly. There's a lot of groups that just wouldn't.

Jack: They wouldn't group up with people who aren't them. I guess the group racists. I guess being goth is kind of being group racist. Because you're like my people. But isn't that what LGBT is? My people are many very different kinds of people. But these people.

Cristina: Yes. Well, these.

Jack: I choose my people based on how I like to dress and what music I like to listen to. I choose my people based on who they. What they feel like and what's between their legs. That's how. That's how I choose my people.

Cristina: Yes. Okay. There's many different ways.

Jack: Okay.

Cristina: Different groups follow up. Okay.

Jack: It's a problem if people grouped up based on who they like the f***, how they identify and what's between their legs. And then they go dance in front of children. Sorry, that's a problem.

Cristina: Well, it's a problem dancing like dancing with children.

Jack: Yeah, it's a problem.

Cristina: None of that other part has anything to do.

Jack: Well, follow up.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Which one of these straight white CIS males is dancing in front of children?

Cristina: They're raping boys.

Jack: You're totally right. Except also I don't think any of those are straight white CIS males. Which then.

Cristina: Straight white CIS males who are in the closet.

Jack: Yes. Thus not.

Cristina: Well, they wouldn't say that. They would.

Jack: They would say they're. But they're not straight white.

Cristina: They are. Well, no.

Jack: Well, follow. Follow me in this train of thought. What is the fact of the matter? They're in the closet about being one.

Cristina: Gay, huh? No, not gay.

Jack: Why not?

Cristina: Gay pedos.

Jack: Why? So you could be a straight pedo or gay pedo. Depends what you prefer.

Cristina: Well, they're gonna. Okay.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So it is about. Regardless of whether it's your straight or.

Cristina: Kay.

Jack: It's about f****** something.

Jack: Right.

Jack: And like in your case, you immediately went to priests, I'm assuming because you said boys.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Right. So you would call them what?

Cristina: Pedophiles?

Jack: That are what? Which one of the two pedophiles are they?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Just pedophiles that like boys and pedophiles like girls. Pick one.

Cristina: What do you mean? Okay, he's a pedophile that likes boys would be a.

Jack: That's a gay pedophile.

Cristina: But they don't admit they're clout.

Jack: No, it doesn't have to. I'm asking you what they actually are. You're missing the point of my entire question. Yeah, so they're gay. Where's the not gay straight white guy? He's the girl. He's raping the girl. The little girl maybe.

Cristina: And the women? I don't know.

Jack: Yes, there's people. I mean, I. Is. No, rape isn't a. It couldn't be an orientation because that's not what the other person's identifying as or what they have between their legs. That's more situational.

Cristina: Okay, yeah.

Jack: I was saying like if. Could they include that? There's no way. But no, they can't. They can't. They can. They could include rape. It doesn't make sense. No, it's definitely. It could be a kink. Rape is a kink. Yes, it's definitely a kink. But the guys raping the children are. In the case of the priests, which isn't mass, and particularly against them are the left, who also support the gays heavily. But the. But the. But the priests aren't f****** little girls. They're gay. All of them.

Cristina: Yes. There's a difference though, because there. I don't know if it's. It's not really gay. It's some.

Jack: Is it that they could only get the children that are boys? Is that the problem? They can only get to. The boys are not allowed to teach girls these boys are gonna become priests? Is that what's happening?

Cristina: I don't know. I don't understand how that works.

Jack: Why is it not girls? Where are the girls? Why is it always a boy? That's my main question here. I suppose I'm trying to work through a lot of information at the same time.

Cristina: There's just a Lot of closeted gay people that just. They hide it so badly that they end up raping someone. I don't know.

Jack: Kids.

Cristina: Kids, yeah.

Jack: So let's revisit. Is the fact that people gather not just about how they feel on the inside or what's between their legs, but the fact that they also gather based on what they like to f***? A problem?

Cristina: Why is it a problem?

Jack: Because the priests are part of a group that seems to have gotten together because of what they like to f***.

Cristina: I don't think that's the same.

Jack: Why? Because it would be offensive to say otherwise. How is it different if the situation seems to be the same? If some of these people have.

Cristina: One of these people are being honest. One of these people are not being honest.

Jack: No, I get it. You're totally telling the truth. I'm not saying every priest. I'm not saying every priest. I'm saying that it's problematic enough and they seem to know where to go, which means people can gather based on what they like to f***. You know, you can find others like you if you like to f*** little boys. If you become a priest, you will by default come across that s***. And one of them n***** knows the culture. You might not know the f****** culture. You're new. You just discovered you like the f*** kids. But you know that this happens frequently enough.

Cristina: Well, we know that now. I don't know if people in. When they were. When this was actually happening, before people found out it was happening, that people were like, there was a secret rumor that it was happening. And this is where you go if you want to do this.

Jack: Like, no, no, no. I don't think anybody ever had to share that rumor. Because you can go back as far as you want into anywhere you want. Primarily, places I've gone include Italian history and Greek history and American history. There is no point in time you can go back to that. They weren't talking about people f****** kids and they were always priests. So the following question is, anybody could have concluded this. Is it a problem that people can gather based on sexually. On what they like to f***?

Cristina: If it's kids, Yes. I don't know. Like, that seems like the big problem. I don't see why normal adults can't be around other adults that have the same sexual orientation of them. If you like girls and you want to meet other girls who like girls, I mean, women, we should say, well, then, like, what is this?

Jack: Talks about the extreme leftism that we see when we have a person who is so far into this ideology. That we must be all inclusive all the time. That they then have to explain to you how to not call them a profile and instead call them a minor attracted person. Do you see how we're going in circles now? We're just landing back at the same things. But it's because it is problematic that sexual. Like what you're sexually attracted to is include that is an actual issue or remove it and make that a different group of people. And then we'll have to figure out why or how. I suppose we'll have to figure out how to remove the pedos from the fact that LGB is about sexual preference. But in order to do that, we have to break the problem up in the pieces and say, you guys, you who are saying, this is what I'm swinging, you need a team, your own team. Also the team you're on is kind of douchey to you. I don't know why you're still on that team that doesn't check out. It seems like you joined a bunch of a******* who treat you like s***. Divorce the LGBs and just be cooler somewhere else. The trans people who get treated crappy by the rest of the letters of the Alphabet and the straight people. It's like everybody treats them like s***. And it's like, you guys definitely deserve what everybody else is getting. And like, you shouldn't be treated like less than everybody else if they're all f****** claiming they're not crazy. You have every f****** right to do whatever the f*** you want without anybody saying s*** to you. The fact that people are still saying s*** to you and all the other s*** is still going on, that's a f****** problem. You should divorce this f****** team and start something better. That's to the trans people. Start something better because you joined a loser team for the people talking about gender, how you feel about yourself. You guys aren't even arguing the same thing anymore. Like. Like, go over there and start something else. Nobody. Like, stop trying. The problem people have with you is that you keep saying it's sexual. No. Identify as a f****** penguin for all anybody cares.

Cristina: I think the cue solves the problem and lets them all be in the group together.

Jack: No, because we're trying to break this apart so that we don't have pedos in there too. That's the problem. Stop trying to just. Because then we have to justify everything. The problem is we don't want to do that. We need to break this apart.

Cristina: Well, then what do you do with Q's? Because that's both you're it's whatever. You're, you're.

Jack: But isn't Q an added letter later? It was gel gbt. At first we're just talking about origin story here. Everybody else kept tacking on. But again, we didn't solve the original problem. That's still there.

Cristina: Was lgbtq? Was LGB first? Was it LGBT back in time? You want to find out?

Jack: Yeah. Because the ultimate problem.

Cristina: Wait, if it was just.

Jack: No, it would have to be. It would have had to have been three letters.

Cristina: It would have to have been three letters. I think.

Jack: Unless it was only made after trans was already a thing. That is a real question. But the point is we have to break the idea up, extract the f****** pedophiles, set them on fire, and send them the h*** the way Jesus would do it.

Cristina: Looks like it was lgb. Yes. LGB was used to replace gay and lesbian. It was short, I guess, to just say you're part of that group, you know, you don't have to say I'm gay or I'm a lesbian, man.

Jack: The trans people f***** up. They shouldn't have joined. They f***** up, dude. People are a******* to trans people for no f****** reason. And that s***'s ridiculous. Like what makes any of you any f****** different? I don't understand. It's super dumb. But lgb, so it was entirely about what you liked? Yes, Sexually. So they had their own group. People identifying what they like to tangle with. Great. And they made sure to mention the letters. Just us women who like women. Just us men who like men. And then just us of either one of those two things. Who likes both of those things. It was clean and simple. And then the trans people came in. Wasn't the same argument anymore. Now it became about what you said. Protection.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It stopped being about what I like to stick my parts in touch with. Now it's about what do I personally have as well as what I like to problematic. One, if you only had the future sight to know that people are gonna treat you like crap and you should definitely just back your people together and make a lot of noise so that you're accepted sooner. But you joined a bunch of people who were whining for way too long and not doing many moves, which the gay guy. I'll give it to the gay guys. The gay guys did way more than any other group in all of time. When it came to the. The Alphabet people. They made hella hella moves to the. To this. Till this day. Till this day that echoes and everybody else kind of piggybacked off of their movement because it was just lesbians and gays first, right? Just like they were, they were, they made everything. And then all these other people, like, yeah, we were there. And it's like, no, you weren't, you weren't. It's cool, bro. You got your own thing. That's fire. Go.

Cristina: Now it's everything.

Jack: But you can't. No, you can't say that. That's the problem. That's the problem we're trying to solve. Because it is everything.

Cristina: So we're not gonna.

Jack: You can't beat everything.

Cristina: And then it's gonna be ogb.

Jack: Unless we're. We're gonna write out every letter.

Cristina: No.

Jack: Do you see the problem here?

Cristina: And then every letter has its own groups, though. So then it would be.

Jack: No, no, no. This is how simple this is to solve it' so easy. Trans people have a group for anybody who's claiming what they have between their legs. Straight guys and straight women would also land in there. No, they wouldn't. Because they didn't transition into anything. I guess transitioning is just, you know, one or the other.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Gender people shouldn't get along with them because you say one thing or the other and then they're like, there's only one thing or the other I can show you with my operation, b****. Like, that should be the infinite discussion.

Cristina: Right?

Jack: Gender people just have their own group of people. I feel like this. I feel like that. Great. Sweet. Fantastic. Then people who are telling us what they are sexually attracted to, just give us your letters. Simple. Why? Because we are the, the between legs team. We are the gender squad. But there's people, listen, we're transitioners, we're gender squad. And then in the LGB group, they'll just be lgb. Why? Because you're telling us straight men who like women, they're telling us. I mean, straight men who like men, they're telling us straight.

Cristina: That's not straight.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Telling us gay men who like men, they're telling us gay women who like women. And they're telling us one of either who likes both. You've told us every combination.

Cristina: We should just not have any of it and just go to put everything back together, include the straight people in it so that we could just have what's your sex, what's your gender and what's your sexual orientation? Everyone can answer that. Whether you're straight, whether you're a man.

Jack: Well, that's what I'm saying.

Cristina: Except if we're talking about groups, you just have this thing that Anyone could be a part of. Because everyone is a part of.

Jack: Wouldn't that be groups?

Cristina: But it's not a unique group because everyone's in it. Yeah, it's like being a human. We're all human.

Jack: Yeah. I guess the ultimate conclusion here is that the point of every one of these things is to include. Exclude specifically white men. Because now being black is also in here. Right.

Cristina: And Hispanic.

Jack: And being Hispanic is being a woman in there too?

Cristina: I think so. It might be.

Jack: So the only people not included are straight white guys.

Cristina: See? See?

Jack: So it's already a stupid all inclusive racist thing.

Cristina: So then we actually. I don't know if women are in it, but whatever, it doesn't matter because it should just be. Just answer those simple questions and that's it.

Jack: Yeah, but people want groups and that's going to happen inevitably. So people want groups. Then let the gender. People have their gender. Let the transitioners have their transitions. And then when it comes to telling us what you like to interact with, stop at B. That prevents you from ever having to include pedophiles. Solution? Problem solving.

Cristina: How do you solve pedophiles? I don't understand.

Jack: No, no, you solve including pedophiles and you can still ostracize them and throw rocks at them and send them to prison so they can get shanked a couple of times. If you don't add it. If you don't merge all these things to the point that you can't listen. When you get to what you are sexually attracted to, your orientation. When you reach that, you need to tell us specifically if it's gender, whatever. We just g. It's cool, bro. When transitioning, T is cool, bro, because it doesn't affect anybody but you. You're just telling us about you. When you get to what you're gonna go touch, you gotta tell us. Because you're not going to allow pedophiles to join the team. You cannot. I understand 100% the concept of a child is made up. I get that. I fully understand. Yes. Every rule that's ever existed we made up. Every measurement that's ever existed, we made up. Word, sex and gender are both made up. And all the genders are made up a hundred million percent. And sexes are just random body parts we decided to specifically focus on. But everything we attach to it other than their functions are made up. So I'm fully aware that children are made up, but we've decided collectively.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That a certain thing is wrong.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like we all see. Yeah, we feed like a hundred percent bro, you plead your case, bro. Feel free to be like, this is why I get to f*** good. But you know, just quick food for thought. Guy who felt the need to defend his stance, like, we also made up killing as bad. That's also made up, bro. No f****** thing came out of the sky and was like, that's bad, bro. And then it's like, you can prove that happened. No, that never f****** happened, bro. We made that up.

Cristina: If that was a true story, that's really sad that we needed someone to tell us. Yeah.

Jack: That would be tragic. If we. We're only moral.

Cristina: Cuz God, Yes.

Jack: We're only scared of punishment.

Cristina: Disappointing. If it's like, you don't do that because I said so. Like, he's like, yeah. If he didn't tell us, oh my gosh, the murder that would be happening right now.

Jack: Yeah. Right? Oh my God. I'm sure some Christians think like that if we didn't know about God, it'd be blood in the streets only.

Cristina: That would be so exciting.

Jack: So much blood in the streets.

Cristina: So sad. Okay, but what's the point? Pedophiles are bad.

Jack: Yeah, pedophiles are bad. And you don't want them on your team.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And like, I understand the children are made up. I get it. You want to plead your case. Cool. Cool beans, bro. But again, we also made up killing.

Cristina: Yeah. And like, I also don't want people who have sex with animals on my team or people who want to do cars. Although I think I'm a little bit more okay with people who want to do cars than I am. Why? Because the car probably doesn't feel anything.

Jack: That's fair. But if you, if you consider universal consciousness and a consciousness to every scale, everything has consciousness and there's something perceiving forceful and because we can't prove it's wrong, even if we can't prove it's true.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: We should assume it's true in order to cause the least amount of harm.

Cristina: So that's equally as bad as doing an animal.

Jack: Yeah. Which is definitely as. Unless the argument is a child isn't really the younger the better. Because I kid, you know, they know less and they eventually you can pass a certain, like, sweet spot where, where they don't have a consciousness, man. And it's like, like that's not the logic. They're not conscious yet.

Cristina: The weird one is also with animals, like, what if the animal wants it? Then what? It's like it still feels wrong. Don't do it. But.

Jack: Well, okay, no this is, this is the argument with this. This is a real defense. And great that you would say that. So we can end this on a positive.

Cristina: Because, you know, a positive. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the argument here is. Well, now we're defending the children, explaining why the pedophile's f*****.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: We're explaining why the rule of don't the kids exists. Okay. In the case of the animal, even if the animal wants it, there is a clear ginormous division of critical thought, understanding, information.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Between you and the dog. Even if the dog believes it wants it, it doesn't understand how way superior and manipulating the incense you could be.

Cristina: And it's the same with the child.

Jack: It is the same with the child. You are too far ahead of this child to affect anything related to this child. You are actively godlike by comparison. Because there's nothing but ignorance that needs guidance. And your guidance is to a dark place.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: That's why it's bad. That's because they cannot say I want it and mean it. And it makes sense. That's the last part that matters. Because they can say they want it and they mean it. But it making logical sense. There's no way to prove that.

Cristina: No. Okay.

Jack: Because they couldn't understand. And if they can, you've gotta prove to me without a questionable doubt that you inherently and granularly, as a person this young have the intellectual and maturity capacities to process, fully understand and comprehend the information you are responding to and it remain within logical reasoning as you explain it. That's not going to happen. A child couldn't accomplish that task if they could. Bravo, you've won. Go do what you're gonna do. But it wouldn't happen. And because it wouldn't happen, f*** the pedophile. Yes, they're. It's abuse by default. You're abusing the ignorance. That's problematic. It's something ungodly. God wouldn't abuse the ignorance. That's why all the priests are gonna burn in h***.

Cristina: Why does it end up like that? All our episodes just priest hating. I'm sure there's one good priest.

Jack: I'm sure.

Cristina: I'm sure there is also at least one man.

Jack: Well, you talk to me. There has to be at least one good one, right? Hundred percent. Without a doubt. At least one good one, right?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. That means that they're not raping kids, correct?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Okay. When George Floyd had a cop pressed against his neck and he couldn't breathe. The other three cops are innocent, right? Is that your Argument here?

Cristina: No.

Jack: Well, why?

Cristina: They were not hanging out with those other priests, watching them rape kids. I'm like, there's got.

Jack: Is the situation happening? Are kids being raped by priests?

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: Right. Is he aware of it?

Cristina: But I'm sure.

Jack: Answer the question. It's a yes or no question. Is he aware of it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Is he still a priest? After being aware of it, I feel.

Cristina: Like it's still not the same.

Jack: How?

Cristina: I mean, like, if you are the.

Jack: Thing and you remain the thing, if you.

Cristina: You're seeing it in person, yeah, that's really problematic. But if it's like something happening across the world, why is that affecting you like that?

Jack: If it's happening around you and you're doing nothing about it in the church where the guy gets caught and then he gets ostracized, but because he got caught, how long was he doing that? Not getting caught? Okay, but all the other guys weren't saying, yeah, I doubt they didn't know.

Cristina: Yeah, okay.

Jack: Do you see the problem? How is that different from if you know and you're part of not saying and you're not leaving the situation to only leave the corrupt there, so it's easy to land on.

Cristina: Because what if you're part of a church that nothing has ever happened in?

Jack: That's fine. Then you have no reason to leave. But if you are somewhere where things have happened and you haven't left or ratted out anybody you've come across.

Cristina: Yeah, that's.

Jack: Then your issue is you're still there making it questionable. You should make it without a doubt that that's broken. So if you're the good guy, leave so that all the monsters stay together. And then everybody's like, oh, no, those are monsters. But because you're not doing it and you're there and they trust you, you're the lure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: People are only attending that place because you're there. And then the kids are getting f*****. Now, you're not f****** the kids. In fact, you're not on top of George Floyd's neck. But George Floyd only has the confidence to walk up to the cop in the first place because he sees cops like the other three guys who would just talk to him nicely, but when the guy lands on his neck, won't say s***, they're the lure. They attract the confidence. They boost confidence in our kind and attract the trust of the people. And so that the cop who does lean on your neck does lean on your neck. Okay, so the priest who isn't the bat. Well, no, at least priest John's there. He's a good guy. He's not bad like all the rest. I can trust him. But he's not always watching your child. Everybody trusts that one priest. So everybody brings their children to that church. So everybody is expecting this one guy to do all the services for all their children. But he's not. And he's also not saying when he sees crazy s*** because he has a life that he wants to maintain. And the church can come down like. Like an angry God.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's a problem when people can gather based on what they like to have sex with.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: That's the point.

Jack: I think that's the point. Unless we can just label who they are. The lgb, they did it right? They were clear. We're being specific. F*** anybody who wants to talk about anything else. You can't question us. We're clear cut and precise. It got muddy when it got all inclusive. The gender should be their own thing, the transitioner should be their own thing, and the sex preferences should be their own thing. And then they can be specific so that when that P starts creeping towards you, you could be like, f*** out of here, bro. You're not. Yeah, okay, but you can't do that if you just got a random plus sign and everybody's included because you're just saying we accept any sexual preference.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: Well, no, you don't do that. No, you don't do that.

Cristina: Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: I think that makes sense. I think that's a reasonable argument. We have to deconstruct this. Give them their own three teams and then make sure that f****** pedos don't enter that first team over there. Simple. I think I solved the inclusion of pedo problem. And it's not. You guys don't be inclusive. Be inclusive to your own people and kind of segregated from unrelated subject matter.

Cristina: Okay. Except there's people that are going to be in more than one.

Jack: You will 100 be in all three. Yeah, it just makes sure that the pedos don't. Okay, get into that other one.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because unquestionably the pedos still have a gender. Yeah, and unquestionably the pedos still have a sex. But you guys don't have to include him in s*** because it's not. It's not anything to say I have a d*** or a v*****. Who gives a s***? Sweet, bro. Now that's. You're just telling us who you are. That's cool, man. It becomes a problem when you're telling us what you want to do. To somebody and that somebody's a kid.

Cristina: Okay. Yes.

Jack: So we can stop that if we know you're there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But if you're just flying under the radar because there's that plus sign over there.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's also why that the right is having a real easy time in calling the drag queens and the cross dressers pedophiles, because it's all bunched up. It's all the same s***. And they are dancing in front of children. That was a weird video. Either way, that was strange. And I'm sure they saw the same video. Yes, that's weird. I don't really know what's happening there. And like. Like, why is it happening too? Not just what's happening. Like, why. Like, this is educational. Is that, like, why is this in school, bro?

Cristina: There's a lot of trolls. It could be trolling in real life, if.

Jack: Fair enough. If it's actual trolling. Dude, Fire. Dude. This is confusing as probably ruined some kids in the process. Like, whoa.

Cristina: Do you think trolls care?

Jack: Trolls? I mean, it depends. A good troll is moral.

Cristina: There's a lot of non.

Jack: Well, I know it could be a pretty bad troll, but yeah.

Cristina: Anyways, trolls are scary. That's the lesson.

Jack: Yeah, Trolls are horrifying. But that was our. I guess that was our breakdown of LGBT or the LGBT rant.

Cristina: To not have A plus lgbt.

Jack: No plus rant.

Cristina: Not T lgb.

Jack: LGB dash T dash D. No.

Cristina: Lgbt. No. Lgbt. T dash Q. I don't know.

Jack: Alphabet people rant. Anyways, that's what I'm gonna call it, the Alphabet people rant.

Cristina: You know, Elon Musk calls it LGBT plus AI.

Jack: That's fire. Okay, but he is a troll.

Cristina: Yes, but also there are. There is an A and I in there for intersex and asexuals, but I don't think it's like AI.

Jack: The problem with an asexual being included.

Cristina: In here, it's also lgb.

Jack: That doesn't make any sense.

Cristina: That's lgbtgh.

Jack: That's a literal opposite of telling me what you like to have.

Cristina: It's the same with I like to have sex with nothing.

Jack: No, no, no. That's saying I don't like to have sex.

Cristina: Oh, yeah. Well, whatever. They want to be included, Leave them alone.

Jack: No, because that defeats the purpose. I mean, if you're gonna tack letters onto it. Yes, that's fine. They get a letter.

Cristina: What group do they belong to, though? If you separate the groups.

Jack: Yeah. They would belong to the group that states what they like to have Sex with. If you're gonna include them, I suppose.

Cristina: Okay. Even if they don't like to have sex.

Jack: Well, you wouldn't include them. But you're saying where would they belong? Where are they basically not belonging right now? Yeah, it's the group that's telling us what they like to have sex with.

Cristina: Which is lgb, because then they'll be by themselves.

Jack: They are the negative of that group.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: They're the only person on the opposite.

Cristina: OGB minus. Not the minus.

Jack: Could be the A LGB minus. Yeah, that works. But again, it. No, it doesn't work. It doesn't work because LGB is telling us what they like to have sex with. That's not what's happening with asexual. Because asexuals don't like to have sex. It's inherently the opposite. It is literally in the most literal. It's like telling me atheism is your belief.

Cristina: Well, people do do that. People do do that. They will say that they're atheists and that's their belief.

Jack: I don't know. Well, it is a belief. But the question is, would the person argue that? Or we do be. If we're being literal as. Then no, the problem is. Yeah, I guess in that case, yes. If we're saying that atheism is a religion because it is a faith you have that you can't prove.

Cristina: Yeah. Okay, then.

Jack: Then, yes, it works.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And being an asexual is a religion.

Cristina: In this instance, it is something that we haven't touched. Something actually, besides, there's the. Okay, there's your sexual orientation.

Jack: Right. There's your gender.

Cristina: There's your gender, and there's your sexual preference. Yes, but there's also.

Jack: We know. Sexual orientation is your sexual preference.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: There's gender and there's your sex.

Cristina: There's also your. What's the newest one? Your romantic attraction, I guess? Sexual attraction. Romantic attraction, yes.

Jack: We're dividing sexually attracted and romantically attracted.

Cristina: Yes, they do that too. And they have their whole other words for those things too. So because you could be biromantic, which.

Jack: Means you can fall in love with either, but you only like to have.

Cristina: Sex with one or both. Who knows? Unless you're bisexual. Biromantic.

Jack: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Or you could be any combination of bi, romantic, heterosexual.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: That makes sense to me. Definitely. That's a bunch of bro.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Like a bunch of bros who are bro. Yeah, all the time. Like, you guys are pretty gay in.

Cristina: Love with that dude. And I want to have sex with that.

Jack: Yeah. Bromance. Bromances. Guys who are in love but not.

Cristina: I have no. Yeah, no.

Jack: Platonic assault.

Cristina: Yep.

Jack: Yeah, you can be in love with the friend. I think that makes total sense.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: People fall in love with their children. They use that literal term to say that. And it's not on any sexual term. Like, there's a bunch of people who are like, oh, I saw my child and I fell in love instantly. It's like that's their instant reaction. They're romantically in love with their child but not sexually attracted to their child.

Cristina: So weird. Okay, so. Okay, we're done.

Jack: Yeah, I think that checks out. I think that that sums all of it.

Cristina: Figured it out. Okay, we finished. I think we said all we had to say. No, we didn't. There's so much to say.

Jack: Yeah, it's infinite. Anyways, Anyways. Anyways, we have talked to similar subjects in the past. We've talked about. Yeah, we had Anthony on the show for the Just Conversation podcast and talk. Talked about sexual attraction and trans and the gay community and stuff. And we've had episodes where we break apart our thoughts on this previously as well. And we've actually had some research episodes where we break apart the biology of some of this stuff. So you can find all of that stuff anywhere, but where? Everywhere. And you can talk to us.

Cristina: Give me specific locations.

Jack: Well, primarily what I'm trying to get to is that you can contact us to talk more about this particular episode. You can talk to us about this episode and ask us questions and tell us your ideas or tell us that you hate everything we talk about. You can find us on our socials at TikTok and Instagram and Facebook and Twitter, usconvopod.

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Jack: Yes. And use your word of mouth and tell people about the show. It's important to talk to them about it.

Cristina: This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.

Jack: Bye. We know the Atlanteans both were vastly in the Bermuda Triangle and in the Gulf coast, these advanced people broke into two groups. Either they migrated. Well, no, because the Great Flood also happened. During the Great Flood, the Atlanteans either went to space or were drowned out.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Dots.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.

April 15, 2023

Rambling 222: Problematic Time Travel

April 15, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Can time paradoxes be fixed? How would they be fixed? And would solving the paradoxes then suggest time travel is possible? The duo ramble on about time travel and attempt to patch the holes in time travel paradoxes.

+Episode Details

Topics Discussed:

Time Travel
Paradoxes
Grandfather Paradox
How to Solve a Paradox

Our Links:

Official Website - https://greythoughts.info/podcast

+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast, the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. I am your host, Jack, and I.

Cristina: Am your host, Christina.

Jack: And I truly, absolutely do believe, in fact, that we can solve the time travel paradoxes.

Cristina: All of them?

Jack: All of them. All of them. I am sure I can solve all of them. There has to be. How many paradoxes could time travel possibly lead to? We just build. We build obvious rules around them, around all the paradoxes, and solve crossing the problem. Right. That's the. That's the logical conclusion here. So I believe. I believe with nothing but reason, we can craft rules and avoid certain behaviors that, while doing time travel, would allow us to effectively navigate the future or past without messing up. I think it's possible.

Cristina: I don't know. Because what if it's, like, the version that you don't actually change anything in your time? Like, what's the point?

Jack: Like, in, like, Trunks.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Like Dragon Ball Z. Like, there's no real purpose. He's like, affecting a whole other universe.

Cristina: Yeah. Unless that's an interesting way to test things out in that other universe. You don't have to do anything. Anything. Like things you want to do here, but you wouldn't, because maybe it's illegal. You do over there, and then you just jump back here.

Jack: That's. That's totally fair. That's absolutely fair. But you can also 100% just go and change that universe for your benefit and then just stay there.

Cristina: How would you do that?

Jack: Well, you're. If you're not affecting your universe.

Cristina: Yeah. How would you be affecting a whole other universe? It would be like, what type of technology do you have kind of influence?

Jack: I think I'm thinking, like. Like you said, Dragon Ball Z Trunks, the history of Trunks events. He jumps into the past, but it's not really his past. It's just a past. In that scenario, you can at least affect it in the direction you want, knowing what's coming up ahead, at least to some degree. If it's so bad that it's at least catastrophic. That's a perfect scenario of time travel used effectively. Like, hit the fan so hard it Use time travel. Who cares about a paradox?

Cristina: You know, I don't know. If he's like, okay, you fact. How will you affect anything? I don't.

Jack: You would just alter. Like, he jumps back in time.

Cristina: Right.

Jack: And he tells the Z Fighters, there's gonna Be some androids.

Cristina: Yeah, but he's someone who knows them in the present. Like, how would a normal change anything? Like you'd have to be someone that knows people that knows, you know. Like you have to be up there already.

Jack: No, you could just go to people you know. Unless you're trying to make giant. I see. Like Giant Global. Exactly, I see. I see. Like you're going into the same world.

Cristina: Like he wasn't just some random dude who went to talk to them.

Jack: Yeah, cuz we're. We're basically. Yeah, yeah. We're basically talking like if Steve came off the street, get went in the time machine and he's like, how would he know who the h*** the Z Fighters are? Basically is the question.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You know, Yes, I see where you're coming from.

Cristina: Like you can't go talk to Elon Musk or the President or.

Jack: Yeah, like how the h*** would I do it?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: I would still have every barrier that a normal person would. This is not even a paradox. This is a legit problem. Let's say I'm an amazing scientist, but one nobody knows who the h*** I am.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So I go ahead and I make a time machine. Because you have to be that weird scientist. Nobody believes. If you believe time travel is real. And then you make a functional time machine. Holy s***. You somehow violated all the rules of everything. But whatever you prove, you proved physics wrong. Good job, bro. We suck. But it works. So we applaud you. The future will be based on your machine. All of science will. Great, so now you go ahead and you jump in your time machine and you travel back in time. You are still just some random m***********. Like who the h*** you can't get to the President. Like bro, you couldn't even. You couldn't put this on the Internet for the world to see. And anybody actually even see it, they wouldn't give a s***. They think you're joking.

Cristina: Your other time traveling buddies. But then you still wouldn't change anything. You just wouldn't change anything. You just hang out in your machine.

Jack: See, I guess it's just lead to a paradox. There's a paradox that suggests that nothing can change.

Jack: You can never change the past. It's impossible.

Cristina: Even someone else's past because it's a different reality.

Jack: Oh, I guess in the case that it's a different reality, it's not your past exactly.

Cristina: They could change like your mom. You could, I guess someone close to you if you knew something was gonna happen to them. But that's still not Your person. Like, it doesn't even matter if you did. Unless you were just curious to see what would this change be like.

Jack: Yeah. And, like, what would you be changing? I guess it's like your parent gets hit by car. Your kid gets hit by car.

Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.

Jack: And then you're like, okay, I know when and where, so I'm gonna go right before that and stop the situation. Yeah, like, I guess, but like, what a.

Cristina: And then you live in that reality, but I guess.

Jack: Right.

Cristina: That's weird. Did all this work for that? This is very the Flash because you.

Jack: Haven'T lived in the time. Like, if. How to put it. You saved your kid here, but you haven't lived with your kid in your own reality since whenever the accident was to the moment you jumped back in time. So when you get your kid back, that kid's gonna have some. Some gap of time missing. That's crazy. It's probably. You're not gonna figure out the time machine a couple of days after he died. We're gonna start this mission right after he died, and you're gonna be working at it.

Cristina: Why would he notice?

Jack: Why would who notice?

Cristina: Your kid notice. Your kid's gonna notice you saved him, but he died.

Jack: The kid is going to be like. Everybody would have age except the kid. This is what I mean. Like, if you were to somehow save the child, like, the kid wasn't even there. He wasn't in reality. He wasn't in. In. In a. In a version of your reality, there was a point between where the accident happened to your kid. There was a long period of time, and then you finally did the time travel could have been 10, 20 years. You began this mission, let's just say by some miracle, on the day he died.

Cristina: I don't understand how that affects the kid. Well, the kid is taking him back to your time.

Jack: Well, no, I'm saying in. In the. In the scenario that somehow you jumped back to your time in your time was altered back to a universe in which your kid didn't die. You yourself didn't experience. Whatever version of the universe moved forward until the moment you left because you weren't there with your kid. That that kid lived still those 20 years. He aged into adulthood. You went back in time and you changed it from your point of view. You're still back in time. It changed into future. You're now gonna jump back to the future if somehow a linear thing, right, of this.

Cristina: Of this reality.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. The same reality, one straight line ahead. You somehow jumped back in your own, in your own universe.

Cristina: No, but he would be dead in your own universe. Because the point is that.

Jack: Well, no, listen, you jump back in time and you save him, right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So the universe that you're in, somehow it's the same universe. So then you jump back forward to the moment that you jumped back to the past. Let's say it has a timer. Oh, I gotta save him in the next hour and then get back inside the time machine, so. Because it's gonna go right back to the moment that I left from. Okay, so you go ahead and you jump in your time machine, go back in time. I got the hour. I gotta save him in the hour and get back inside machine. So you go ahead. It was a car accident. You know when and where, whatever. You put it down to rocket science. You literally made a time machine. So this is easy peasy. You get there, you solve it to the T, and you stop the moment you saved your child. And the universe moves forward. Now you're somehow. This is your linear situation, which is only one non branching universe. So you, it's really your universe. You jumped back in like in a scenario where you can really affect it. So he goes ahead, jumps in the time machine before the hour is over and poof. Goes right back to the moment that he jumped out of. Mission accomplished. I saved my kid. But this was like 20 years ago that the accident happened. How weird. Because now you get there and you don't know this man who shows up, this man who's like, hey, dad, you've never met this person. This is a stranger who has memories of you because you still left from that point in time.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So there was a version of you there that something happened and, or what happens there? That's another paradox because you were physically there, but you did leave from the future. So what happens to that chunk of time after you save them? But you left. You went back to the future. So who the f*** raised this guy?

Cristina: Your other half, like what?

Jack: With a woman? He's just, but so he's just missing?

Cristina: Yeah, he's fatherless until you come back. And then he's like, wait, dad, what?

Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't make sense, right?

Cristina: Why?

Jack: Because in the first before you altered time, you jumped in the time machine. You, you already experienced. You actually lived those 20 years since your kid died.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: You were, you were physically there.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Then you exited at the end, went back in time, made a change. Why does that mean that you weren't there? What did it change what you did? But that doesn't make sense because you weren't there.

Cristina: Because then. Yeah. If it's to save your child, like, because then you wouldn't have saved your child. It's one of those. When you don't do time travel, time.

Jack: Travel is an issue.

Cristina: But you said you're gonna solve things. Why are you poking. You did not solve anything. You said you're gonna solve.

Jack: Well, I gotta find the holes in order to patch them, right?

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's the logic here. I gotta find the holes in order to patch them. Okay, so the fact that this is a problem. Well, it's not even the only problem. Right. We also have the issue of not being able to change anything at all. That's just two issues, right? The fact that we're. One, changing an entirely different universe, maybe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: To the fact that we would literally just be missing gaps in time that are completely unexplainable. That's a whole paradox of its own. That's an issue. But three, the fact that maybe no matter what we do, we couldn't change the past. We'd just be passive observers with zero influence in the universe. Like, we could literally talk to somebody and it wouldn't affect any series of events that would happen.

Cristina: We could talk, but what if we.

Jack: Like, warned somebody of Hitler? What if I went.

Cristina: Who would listen to you?

Jack: Who would listen to me, Right?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: But if I told enough people, would nobody ever be convinced?

Cristina: No. People go around now saying crazy things to everyone they meet and doesn't mean anything. They're just a crazy person who's talking about we're going to h*** or whatever it is that they're.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay. The aliens are coming.

Jack: What I'm saying is, if I could convince them, would they be convinced?

Cristina: Would it be possible?

Jack: Or with the universe, make it inherently impossible?

Cristina: I think it would be impossible.

Jack: Like, the. The laws of physics prevent it.

Cristina: Yeah. It just. It doesn't. It wouldn't make sense to them. Like, if they couldn't figure it out beforehand. Why would they just know now? Just because you're telling them. Because that doesn't make sense now.

Jack: I don't get it. What do you mean?

Cristina: Like, they don't know anything about him. Anything you're saying about him could be lies. Why would they trust you? Or anything you're saying? Why are you not just some crazy dude.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Who's predicting the future. Like, so many crazy dudes who are always predicting the future.

Jack: Plethora of crazy. Plethora of crazy dudes.

Cristina: We're always like, the end of the World is coming. The ninth planet is gonna hit us. That type of crazy. What makes you different?

Jack: To be fair, the ninth planet was going to hit us at some point. That is a fact. The ninth planet was gonna hit us. We solved that problem. But it was occurring.

Cristina: That's not important though. That's not important because if no one knows, no one's gonna just believe you.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, it's fair. So, but, but that does. What does that have to do. It's not even about that, right? The reality of the matter is if I could somehow convince them, if I could be like, this is footage of you in the future. Look, you don't remember you doing this stuff? That's because this is from the future. This is videos of things in the future. Now, if, if the universe couldn't be altered, I would ask and they would say, what? Nothing. I guess it wouldn't even be able to respond. It wouldn't make sense. It wouldn't register. But if the universe could be altered, and it's just in your scenario, I'm just not convincing enough because for whatever reason, but in this scenario, if I could, in like, for a fact, prove to you that I'm from the future, would you be like, oh, whoa, that's crazy, the fact that you have videos of me from T shirt, or would that just whoosh right over your head? Because it could never register because the universe is preventing you from registering this information. Because there's some, some barrier.

Cristina: There has to be, because it doesn't happen. Like, if it's possible, then we would know already.

Jack: And there's the other problem of, whoa. Is time travel even in a realistic sense, possible? Because there's the issue of, like, we've never seen somebody come back from, from, from the future. You know, like, nobody in history has been, like, somebody from the future has visited me and they have proof about it?

Cristina: No, I mean, maybe there's someone that says that, but no one believes them with, with proof.

Jack: Maybe they do have proof.

Cristina: Well, they say they have proof, Baron. No, it's never believable.

Jack: But here's the. No, no, no. Somebody from the future would definitely have way better proof than like, we do. They're from the freaking future. It would be so easy for them.

Cristina: Oh yeah, well, when people have proof, they don't share. I guess it's kind of like the guy with the gold tablets that only he can see, and if anyone looks at it, I don't know, it's unreadable. Is that what happens? I don't remember.

Jack: Yeah, they can't read it. Yeah, only he can read it.

Cristina: So like if this guy has something from the future and we saw it, we wouldn't understand because it's from the future. It's too advanced for us to get.

Jack: Yeah. Anything from the future is like that does the same. It's weird, right? It doesn't even have to be from the future really. That's how we ended up on the subject of the sea. People who just happen to exist in our same time, but started to develop so long ago that by the time we are now they are so astoundingly futuristic that they look like nature. That's crazy. That's absurd.

Cristina: But. Exactly. We can't even figure it out. That's old stuff. Old tech.

Jack: No, and that's just present. So what do we do with future tech then? Again, we could just be really lame in the future and because how much into the future are we talking? Right. Let's say. Oh yeah, we're going to in a hun. Let's give us a thousand years. Right. In a thousand years could we take the sea people in a fight, but.

Cristina: Can we time travel?

Jack: In a thousand years?

Cristina: Yeah, yeah, we could time travel in a thousand years. We can time travel. Do you think maybe.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Depends. Depends. Time travel being absolutely possible is problematic. We have a broken machine that allows us to do anything. But that's not realistic. No, it's bending the rules. What do you do with out sort of abusing the rules of the universe?

Cristina: Space. Time travel.

Jack: Bending space.

Cristina: Yeah. Traveling so fast in space, you need a space to do it because then you destroy everything around you. If you did it here.

Jack: Why? Why would you destroy everything around you?

Cristina: Because the tech is too much for time travel. Yeah.

Jack: It would require a crap ton of energy.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And yeah, because ultimately. No, it would. If you do it efficiently. Like if you can make a time.

Cristina: Machine, then you're just a little box that you go in.

Jack: My point is it would be sufficiently advanced enough that I doubt it would be a giant building type of structure. You know, because it's already a futuristic society. They would probably begin really small in a lab and work their way up in scale.

Cristina: But I think it needs to be a ship.

Jack: It probably. Yeah. Just so that it doesn't take the chunks of land it's on, if anything else.

Cristina: Yeah. And also you don't know where it's gonna land. Like you can't make it land where you want it. Exactly. Like you might be off a little Bit and then everyone dies.

Jack: But you're from the future, so you can get your ship to calculate where in space everything is gonna be at around a certain point.

Cristina: That's why it's easier to travel like that. It was a lot safer. Yeah, just a little bit off. You're not gonna crash into the Earth. But if you did it on Earth, you might just end up in a building.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But no, a computer would make sure it wouldn't happen. The computer would be able to calculate it, so. Exactly. But it would still be more effective to be in space anyways. Yeah, but I think a computer could work those kinks out because the computer would be able to have the smallest margins of data, you know, I guess large amounts of data on the smallest margins effect.

Cristina: But where is it getting this energy to run this machine?

Jack: What, the time machine?

Cristina: Yeah. How much energy? The sun? What kind of tech? There can't be. It can't be small. It can't be small.

Jack: No, the problem is you need infinite energy, and the sun isn't infinite energy.

Jack: That's really the issue. Like, how do you. That's the biggest flaw with time machine. How the h***. How. What are you supposed to do to solve that problem?

Cristina: You're supposed to solve one of these problems, though. Do you have the solutions for this one?

Jack: Well, first we need a perpetual motion machine. That means infinite energy.

Cristina: And how big is that machine?

Jack: Well, perpetual motion as of now seems impossible.

Cristina: Yes. But if you made something humongous.

Jack: No, I don't think that would change it because it would still be subject to the laws of physics. And everything follows a logic of entropy, which means it will stop.

Cristina: It will stop eventually, yeah. Then how do you make it work?

Jack: I don't know. There has to be some rule within physics that makes it possible. Somebody has to have put this argument forward. Right. Because the issues with time machine aren't the going backwards thing. It's how we would interact with the past. Because nothing in physics tells us that time does move only forward. We just happen to perceive it that way and for whatever reason, in a linear fashion. But science does suggest. It doesn't suggest. It just doesn't barrier time motion in any way. You could, in theory just move backwards at any given moment. We would never notice. It would be impossible. So the biggest issues are definitely just interacting with the past and how, like, either the past is preventing us from doing it, or we do something and it erases us from the situation because we had no motivation to come back and do it, which means Then it happened anyways because we never came back to stop it. Which is another version of the universe just stopping us from doing it because of laws.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Of the universe. So how will we move past those situations? Right. You would always need that. I think that's an easy one to fix. That's why I say that one. Because I believe in order to fix a situation in which the motivation for you to go back in time is removed. I guess I don't understand. You would have to, in theory, be able to solve a different issue unrelated to why you jumped back and you.

Cristina: Become Barry from the Flash. You change something, and then you got to go back to change something. So you got to go back to change something.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: You always need a reason to go back and change something, and then you're always in a loop of you got to go back and change something.

Jack: Yeah. Going back through his house, primarily. Which is a freaking nightmare.

Cristina: But that's what you're saying. The only way to keep the time machine and have that motivation to build that time machine is to have a problem to solve with the time machine.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: And that would only mean that whatever you solved didn't really solve anything, because you just made a new reason to use the time.

Jack: No, you didn't make a new reason. You. This splits off into two things. You either go back in time, solve the issue you went back to solve, which then removes the reason for you having gone back in time in the first place. Which means it happened because you didn't go back in time to stop it. So then you go back in time to stop it. And because it happened. So that just creates a closed loop.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The other alternative is you go back in time to stop it, but you somehow go and affect a different situation, not what you went back to stop. So the thing you went back in time to stop never got fixed. So you still went back in time. You just never managed to fix it. And then you just go forward in time. So the easiest way to solve this issue would be. No. My theory was I want the issue solved, so I give somebody else the time machine and instruct them on what to do. They would go thinking it's for one thing, then go and do a different thing that I would switch on them. So I make them study for one case, but really they were going to do the other thing. So that motivation never gets satisfied. The reason they went back in time is never affected, which is like, I'm sending you back in time to kill Hitler. You can kill him. He's like, yes, I'm gonna go kill Hitler. Okay, so he goes back in time, but then he doesn't really go kill Hitler, he has to go kill Steve.

Cristina: So he goes and he kills him to kill Steve.

Jack: Yeah. So somehow he got a note, a briefcase with all the instructions, and the last one is actually, don't pull the trigger on Hitler. Shoot Stevenson.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And he's like, what? But he does it.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: So does he then disappear?

Cristina: Who?

Jack: The guy who I sent back in time. He doesn't disappear because his motivation was killing Hitler, and Hitler never got killed.

Cristina: This feels really pointless.

Jack: Well, no, because I had alternative motives, which is to kill Steve for whatever reason. So then I managed to go back in time and change something. But the problem is then me in the future, you don't.

Cristina: You see? Yeah, no, that doesn't work out.

Jack: Yeah. Cuz the same problem occurs. It still leads to the same issue.

Cristina: Yeah, unless he built the time machine, you give him the reason, but it's not the real reason.

Jack: No, there's no way around this. No, around it.

Cristina: Because if you made him, if he made it, and you were like, you can use this to kill Hitler. And he goes, and then you change his mind or tell him some other thing to kill Steve. And then he kills Steve instead. Hitler is still alive, which was his main goal of making the time machine. Is that what you're saying? That still makes no sense. Because why would he kill some random dude? I don't know. This doesn't make sense.

Jack: It doesn't make sense. But look, if he were to kill Steve, then my point is solved in the future and I have no reason to tell him to go kill Steve. Like it still cancels itself out. There's no way around.

Cristina: He still has his reason of making the time machine, which.

Jack: Well, no, because the. The moment could never happen in which I sent him back in time.

Cristina: What if he was already going back in time but his reason changed? No. I don't know.

Jack: No, I could never affect the moment because it involves time travel. Yeah, I could never affect it. It's pretty. Yeah, I think it's true. We simply can't affect it. It's gonna keep canceling itself out.

Jack: Every possible direction just goes back to an impossible paradox. It.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah, I stopped it. So it happened.

Cristina: Mm, yeah. It's still gonna happen. There's nothing you can do.

Jack: Time travel is complicated, man.

Cristina: But you said you're gonna break it. You're gonna figure it out.

Jack: We're gonna figure it out. There must be a way There must be a way to figure it out. Around this issue of time travel. How do we unparadox us? You can be able to alter the past successfully without. The only solution is it's a different universe. That's the only way. Really? Really. It has to be a different universe. You have to be going to parallel universes past so that it's almost identical. I guess.

Cristina: I don't know. But it doesn't make sense. Like, okay, so, so you, so you go there and save your child, but if you go back to your time, your child's still dead. But in this new reality. Do you just live in this reality where your child is alive and what happened to the version of you that's in that reality?

Jack: That's another problem, because you would in theory have a version of you in that reality.

Cristina: You would murder that person and take over their life so you can live with your child. Does that solve it?

Jack: But hey, you're older though, I think. Just be there and don't kill the other. You just be too. It's cool.

Cristina: That's cool. I don't know. That's very odd. It is pretty strange because how do you explain that?

Jack: You. Who to who. Who cares?

Cristina: I feel like you're breaking other people's realities at that point.

Jack: Yeah, but what problem? Who cares? Who cares? They're gonna be like, oh, I didn't know he had a twin.

Cristina: And then your child gets mentally ill because reality of having you and the older version of you where you. He knows he's dead in. Because you're there for a reason.

Jack: Well, that's the question. Do you tell your. Do you tell your kid? Do you have to come clean about.

Cristina: I guess you don't, but like, it's kind of suspicious that you're there to watch over this child.

Jack: You could be his uncle. You would literally be his uncle, his dad. Yeah, but look, you. Oh, I guess you. I guess you didn't stop him from dying when he was born. You stopped him from dying at some point 20 years later, right? Yeah, no, it's been 20 years.

Cristina: It's been 20 years.

Jack: You don't know how old he was. Oh, yeah. He could have just been a little kid.

Cristina: So. And then now he's 27 and you're like, I guess what were you when you were. When he was 7.

Jack: You're 37, I guess, which would then make you 57.

Cristina: Yes. And then your version of you that's younger is like very confused because you're obviously them, but older.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: You'll Be like, I'm your father. What kind of lie?

Jack: Yeah, it wouldn't make any sense.

Cristina: It wouldn't make any sense.

Jack: But also. Yeah, I don't know. Would you. That's so messing with me. Would you not have been there? You traveled forward in time. You changed the path. I mean, you traveled back in time.

Cristina: You're not traveling back. You're not traveling forward. Actually, you're. What if you just save him and then you stay there?

Jack: Save him and stay there. I think that solves a lot.

Cristina: No, but it still doesn't. Because everyone's confused. Because there's still this other version of you.

Jack: Because you entered a different universe.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You just got.

Cristina: But you're still older.

Jack: Yes. You just gotta explain that. Came from a different future. A different universe's future. To save this child.

Cristina: No, you're not supposed. Because that messes with the child. Unless you think it's possible for someone to find this out and not have some kind of mental something happening in which they know. They're like, it doesn't make sense for you to care that much. But we saw in the Flash where Cisco is obsessed because the Flash killed his brother who he never met. It happened. Okay, that's the show, too, but still.

Jack: Brother from a different.

Cristina: Exactly. This is the exact thing that show is talking about. People are weird. They get attached to these weird things. That child, even though he's alive, he knows there's a version of him who's dead. And he's gonna freak out. Even though he's alive.

Jack: Interesting. Interesting. We gotta consider people's stupid emotions.

Cristina: Exactly. That's the problem. It's so weird. It's a weird one, because it's not really time travel related now. It's just.

Jack: Leftism.

Cristina: I don't know. Mental health.

Jack: Mental health.

Cristina: People around you are gonna freak out. Everyone that knows that you're from the future.

Jack: Yeah. They're gonna. It's gonna be really weird. And, like, there's gonna be a lot of skeptics. They're gonna say, dude, pulling a prank or some. Something like that, you know?

Cristina: Yeah. Like, I don't think a lot of people will believe it if you have no proof. Like, maybe you. You're. You got a time machine. You hide it, right? Like, you're. It's not out in the open. You just look like an older version of that other version of you. Then that's the only hint to anyone who believes it. That's the only thing they got to say. Like, your time travel is, hey, you look like that guy but older man. I don't. Maybe if they do a blood test that would also prove it.

Jack: Now, thinking about it, I don't think it would be safe. I don't think it would be safe to tell anybody you have a time machine. Just think of humans just straight up. We were being real ignorant right now.

Cristina: Yes. But I'm thinking the technology is so advanced, no one could do anything with it.

Jack: Okay. So only the driver.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Got you. It was just.

Cristina: They can't even find it.

Jack: Interesting.

Cristina: It's out in the open and no.

Jack: One like it's straight up invisible and you could phase through it.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Interesting. Okay.

Cristina: There's nothing you can do to him to get to it. He'll die with his technology.

Jack: Yeah. Like his hand opens it or something, you know?

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Not even he is. He is beating hand. It has. He has to be alive.

Cristina: Oh, but how would you know that? Like you could still not believe him and kill him.

Jack: Yeah, but you wouldn't know that. Exactly. Exactly. Nobody would ever be able to use it.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: It would then just be. It would just be irrelevant to tell him to tell. Not for to tell him, but for him to tell anybody because they would never be able to find it. He would always be unbelievable. Although they might torture him to get to it.

Cristina: Exactly.

Jack: So I guess it would still be dangerous if somebody believed you.

Cristina: So you can't tell anyone because if.

Jack: Somebody believes you, they might kill you to find something that they can never find.

Cristina: Yeah. But the people around you would definitely know something's up. You'd have to tell them at least.

Jack: Yes. And they would definitely believe you if there were suddenly two of you.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: And if one of you was older.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That's where it becomes a real problem. Right. Unless if it's like, is this your real dad situation? Everybody's gonna believe that in sudden.

Cristina: That you're telling people that you're the father.

Jack: That they just assume that and believe that's the truth. Regardless of what they tell you. They believe that they're just like, oh, he looks way older, but almost the same. That must be his dad. Like that's secretly their background thought. Regardless of this. Oh yeah, sure, whatever.

Cristina: Even if you're right next to the other guy.

Jack: Yeah. That you look so identical. They think he's your. The dude from the future is the father of the child of the guy he looks identical from.

Cristina: Oh, okay. I guess because you're 20 year old.

Jack: You're 20 years older than him. This is a 20 year old older you now. And the 20.

Cristina: Would you want this version of you to be in your child's life. If that version of you isn't really you, it's a stranger who's claiming to be this child. I mean, I guess you'd believe him, but still, he's kind of obsessed, and you don't know him.

Jack: Yes. And now your kid's safe, so you're never gonna have that obsession.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: This is a stranger who thinks in a way that you'll never.

Cristina: Yeah, he'll.

Jack: You'll never have the trauma of your kid dying because of this car accident. Because he saved your child. You don't even believe your kid was ever even gonna be hurt.

Cristina: Yeah, like, you're just trying. Like, do you automatically believe him?

Jack: No, I think he would have to convince you. But what could you bring from the future that could be believed? Right, because you would have changed the future with the photo. Change. You know, I bring you a photo, will the photo change because the future changed? But that's a photo from a different universe.

Cristina: I don't know if that would matter.

Jack: So you would just be like, no, this is clearly you. Look. And I'd be like, oh, yeah, that is me. And I remember that day and everything. And like, yeah, this is. Oh, no, you can't remember the day because it's in the future. Yeah, see, that's definitely me. And he's doing something that only I would know, or blah, blah, blah. Or I guess you could do that. Tell him all your deepest target secrets because you know them all.

Cristina: Okay, he knows that you're him. But why does he want you to be in his child's life?

Jack: Because you're him.

Cristina: So you.

Jack: Your kid is only around because he saved your kid.

Cristina: That's. But why do you believe him?

Jack: Because he can prove he's you.

Cristina: But he could be a crazy you from the future who's obsessed with your child.

Jack: Oh, s***. Okay. I wasn't thinking about that. I wasn't thinking that he would be deceptive. I was mainly thinking, like, no, he could prove it. A hundred percent.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Without a doubt.

Cristina: And then you find him raping your child one day. Then what?

Jack: But then that means you have that.

Cristina: Potential in you, but you don't, I guess, at this moment, because your child.

Jack: Is alive, you think raping your child is a byproduct of the obsession he.

Cristina: Got for making this machine.

Jack: Oh, you think it's like a Jesus, like obsession?

Cristina: Yes. I don't know.

Jack: People wanting to be with Jesus.

Cristina: He just got so obsessed with a child while making this machine that it Became more.

Jack: It became more than the.

Cristina: Than just wanting him to live. No, let's not say he wants to do that. He just wants to raise a child with you.

Jack: Yeah, but I'm trying to, man. The biggest issue is really affecting the past, and there are a couple of barriers to do that. And so if you enter a different universe, you're affecting something else entirely. And the real question becomes, if you tell people it doesn't matter, it doesn't matter.

Cristina: But also, how do you live a normal life?

Jack: How do you live a normal. You can. You can't live the normal life. That's easy.

Cristina: You just gotta leave.

Jack: There are many people who are illegal.

Cristina: Okay. So you gotta live an illegal life.

Jack: Yeah, just go chill by the border, you know, like, there's. That. That part is easy. You could definitely just blend in if you're stuck on this end. Okay. I guess the question is, is it worth saving your son if you'll never be able to see him again? You truly have to love your son and then go back in time to save him from the car accident, knowing he would have a life and you'll never get to spend another moment with him.

Cristina: Why would you not get to spend that moment with him?

Jack: Because you're gonna go live somewhere where there are few people and not be bothered. Because.

Cristina: Oh, because you're gonna live that illegal immigrant life.

Jack: Yeah. You're gonna go live that immigrant life.

Cristina: That's complicated. Because you can't just hide in his house to raise a child. You have to hide and spy. I don't know. Or you gotta go back home.

Jack: Hide, inspire. Go back home. What do you mean?

Cristina: Hide somewhere else and spy on your child through the Internet or whatever.

Jack: Oh, like stalk em. Yeah, I guess you get Internet. Stalk your child.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But I guess if ultimately, if the mission is effectively saving your child, then mission accomplished.

Cristina: Well, it's not just about saving it. You want to raise this child that's not your child.

Jack: That is your child.

Cristina: Well, it's not technically. I mean, this reality is not. It's this other version of you's child.

Jack: Yeah, but, like, universes are almost identical.

Cristina: But do you want to raise your child with you? Like, that's so weird. Imagine if an older version of you came right now and wanted to raise your child with you. How weird is that? You're just gonna be accepting of it because he's from the future. I mean, even what's the proof? Isn't that weird?

Jack: But he knows better because he's from the future.

Cristina: He doesn't Know better on raising children.

Jack: Because he has had the same amount of experience. No, he was seven.

Cristina: Yeah. And that's it.

Jack: So that's seven more years than I have. Bam.

Cristina: No, it's not. It's the exact same. Because your child's seven.

Jack: Well, because he jumped back to the. Yeah. No, you're right. It's the same amount of parenting. So what? A better parent than somebody who's at your exact level.

Cristina: But still, like, do you want to agree on everything? Do you wanna.

Jack: I guess they could do an odd couple scenario where they're like a.

Cristina: And if you're with a girl. And, like, what if he's with that girl, too, but in the future?

Jack: Oh, I guess it doesn't matter because.

Cristina: What if they become in a relationship, but you're with her right now and.

Jack: Well, it's in the future.

Cristina: No, but what if. But he's now here. What if she falls in love with this older version of you and wants to leave you for you?

Jack: Interesting. Interesting.

Cristina: And then what if you realize your child actually starts to fall in love with this version, this older version of you more than you? Like, how much?

Jack: What if everything slowly migrates in his favor?

Cristina: Yeah, like, he's so much better than you. I mean, he built a time machine. He made me super cool.

Jack: He's 20 years cooler than you.

Cristina: Exactly. He's 20 years cooler.

Jack: There's no way to even compete with that. He's 20 years cooler than you'll ever be.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: Well, that is what it is. What are you gonna do? It doesn't even make sense to be like, no, me from the future. You're not gonna help me raise my kid. You make something crazy happen, and he knows better.

Cristina: But, like, he can't do anything. I don't know. Because you're feeding him and you're living him leaving. Live in your house and he has your woman you gotta do.

Jack: Freeload and then, like, making you a cuck.

Cristina: Exactly. He's got everything of yours, but he doesn't have to work because he can't work. And you have to feed him.

Jack: He could work.

Cristina: He's gonna work illegally, I guess.

Jack: He's gonna bring that cash payout.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Every day.

Cristina: All right.

Jack: At the end of the week. I doubt that one, though. Under the table is probably every day.

Cristina: Every day.

Jack: Yeah. Maybe they get paid every day.

Cristina: I don't know. Okay, so he can at least contribute somehow.

Jack: He will. Maybe he makes a lot of money illegally. Although that Southwest is probably milked.

Cristina: Why? Because, like, he can do some weird Illegal hacking job or something. I don't know. He's got the technology to time travel. He could do some online.

Jack: That's fair. He could probably just make himself rich. Yeah, like realistically, just hack into the bank, change numbers, make himself legal paperwork. He'd do all of it. That would be so easy. It's from the future. I don't know why any of this would even be a slight problem.

Cristina: This is weird, because then if he gets noticed, questions are asked, he gets found out, he gets kidnapped and tortured to tell them about his machine.

Jack: It's so difficult to kidnap and torture him because of his text. It would be so astoundingly and amazingly complicated. In fact, I would go as far as to say that I believe there's nothing anybody could do to stop him. If he came from a future with a time machine. Oh, it's only 20 minutes. D***. I'm thinking it's so far in the future, it's only 20 years. So I guess it's close scientifically that like. Yeah, you could still get shot and die if.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Like, you know, like your tech is on par to some degree. Only 20 years difference. And you didn't make an upgrade, you just went back in time. Unless you came strapped with crazy future guns.

Cristina: No, like 20 year older guns. No, I don't think so.

Jack: Won't be like crazy leaps and bounds. You're more or less in the same ballpark. So you jump back in time, change this thing.

Cristina: I don't know if it'll work out.

Jack: It wouldn't. It wouldn't. It wouldn't be able. You wouldn't be able to. You wouldn't be able to. It's one. It's a different universe. Then there's the problem of the two you's.

Cristina: That is just an awkward thing.

Jack: Yeah, I mean, you could do it awkward. It's not a problem. Socially, that might be an issue. The government might like, put a hit on one of you. This can't be. You can't let people know there's time machines. That's problematic. So like, if anybody finds out that could anybody of significance that could make this problem go away. They will.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: So that's another problem. Letting people know it all.

Cristina: But you need to let someone know.

Jack: Why?

Cristina: Because then how do you live with this family?

Jack: Which means you got to tell at least the family.

Cristina: Yeah. So.

Jack: But what the. Who cares? What do. What's the point?

Cristina: Because someone is gonna find out, right?

Jack: You're gonna tell the family.

Cristina: Yeah, but like someone you don't want to know will eventually find out if you're.

Jack: I mean, I guess it's not a sure thing, but a likely thing. With the more time goes by, the more likely it becomes.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: But it doesn't mean it's gonna happen.

Cristina: No.

Jack: So there's still the possibility it goes pretty smoothly.

Cristina: Mm I don't know. It's just a weird situation.

Jack: That's mainly because it's time travel.

Cristina: Yes. But also you're living with yourself. It's very weird.

Jack: Yeah. And time travel led to how weird that is.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: You went back in time and you're living with yourself in a different universe. It's really just universe changing in a different time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's the weird line you draw from one bubble to another and then down that bubble's linearity into the past. But somehow you didn't just enter it. You landed specifically outside of your bubble in the other bubble in the past.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: Weird.

Cristina: Mm. So does it work out?

Jack: I don't know. You. You still wouldn't be able to interact with anything and change it without killing the motivation for you to go back in the first place. If you accomplished your mission. Yeah, it's the biggest. If you accomplished your mission, you never needed to go back and solve it. You know, like whatever it is you're doing would immediately see if it's a.

Cristina: Different reality, I guess.

Jack: Not really. If it's a different reality, but then you're also aware that it's a different reality, and that's a different issue entirely. Right. Because it's more about you integrating into this new world. There's nothing about it being the past. It's significant other than the. At least to you, you saved your child. So it's more about integrating into whatever world you're in because it's not the world you came from originally and everybody but you belongs there. So everybody's fully aware of this. You're sticking out feature that you come with.

Cristina: Yes. And knowing you feel that too. Like you'd feel like the odd fallout.

Jack: Yeah. Because you come from the future.

Cristina: Yeah. Or you come from a different reality, whether it's the future or not.

Jack: Fair enough. Yeah. You come literally from a different place outside the common space.

Cristina: You're an alien in a way.

Jack: Yeah. But I think that's something everybody would have to get used in the future anyways, being an alien. Because any new place you visit, you're the foreign one too. Yeah.

Cristina: So you. What if you save your son and then he grows up to be Hitler?

Jack: That would be nuts.

Cristina: Do you go back in time and kill your son.

Jack: You couldn't. It would be impossible. It would be impossible to go back in time and stop Hitler.

Cristina: Because then you gotta go to a different reality anyway.

Jack: Yeah, you. Oh yeah.

Cristina: Because you can never go back to your original. That's the point.

Jack: Yeah. So Hitler would just have happened.

Cristina: Yes. I guess you would then jump back. No. Yeah, I guess you go to another reality where you don't save your son. But then you're still living with you. But you don't have to tell you anything. You could just live your own life without telling you what you. But then that version of you makes a time machine to save your son.

Jack: Goes infinitely.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Ah.

Cristina: It's a. Yeah.

Jack: It's always gonna cancel itself out.

Cristina: What? I thought we got it.

Jack: No, it's a closed loop. It's always a closed loop. There's absolutely nothing could be done. Really?

Cristina: Really.

Jack: The. The problem we have to solve before we can jump into any other problem is finding out how we can go back in time and change anything without changing the need for us to go back in time.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: That's hard.

Cristina: That's hard. So hard.

Jack: Because our purpose has to be there.

Cristina: But even in this way that we figured it out, like you could just jump somewhere else, but then there's still a version of you who's stuck in this reality even though it's not you. You're still living a normal life even though you know that there's a version of you that's gonna create Hitler. There's nothing you can do about that version of you. You could just continue living life.

Jack: Yeah. And it's also not gonna affect you.

Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. That's that other version of you's problem.

Jack: Yeah. It'll never, as long as you live, come across your radar.

Cristina: Exactly. So it kind of works out sort of.

Jack: Yeah. It kind of makes everything meaningless essentially. Because nothing matters. Like there's a million other universes. And he's gonna go out there and make a million Hitlers. Who cares? He didn't make it here. Yay.

Cristina: Yeah, I guess. Cuz you're always gonna jump to a version where he's not. Where you didn't kill. I mean, save your son. That's.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So that helps. So then when you made that time machine to go to save your son, there was a version of you that just popped up into your reality that you just left behind because he was running away from his reality where he accidentally made Hitler.

Jack: That's fascinating. If you do this long enough, eventually in the future, like if you're going to the same place throughout time. Eventually in the future, you're gonna come across this guy.

Cristina: No, you always jump. You'll be you. You guys will always be jumping to the next. You'll never be in the same with the other person. I think.

Jack: Why, if there's many versions of you throughout time.

Cristina: I guess because it's really.

Jack: Especially if you develop a habit and go through the same place over and.

Cristina: Over in the same place.

Jack: Yeah. Like you. You always teleport to the same house or the same part of space or wherever the case might be.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: That throughout time you do that. So every version of you will slowly start meeting other versions of you and having casual small talk with other versions of me as you walk hallways and stuff of this place.

Cristina: This is very strange.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Reality is broken. Okay.

Jack: Yeah, for sure. Anyways, anyways, anyways. Anyways. I didn't get anywhere.

Cristina: No.

Jack: I managed to solve nothing. And I actually uncovered more issues that are unsolvable. But I tried my best and got nowhere. So what I have to do is really find all the different time travel related paradoxes and see what proposed solutions for these problems exist and see if I can improve on those solutions and make them viable things.

Cristina: Okay, yes, let's do that.

Jack: That's what matters. Doing that and accomplishing that is in fact the most important part.

Cristina: Why?

Jack: I don't know. Maybe we could apply that to Jesus.

Cristina: Okay, that sounds good. Yes.

Jack: And you guys can tell us about any version of a time travel paradox solution that you may have on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok and Facebook.

Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth, tell people, talk to people, mention the show. Tell them that we're trying to figure out how to kink out the problems with time travel. We're gonna figure it out.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: It's gonna be figured out.

Cristina: Of course we're gonna do it.

Jack: Yes. We're gonna be ones.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. What?

Jack: What?

Cristina: Some other location.

Jack: I think. Think so too. Look, all jokes aside, it's not that far from the Bermuda Triangle. Like, it isn't in the Bermuda Triangle, but it's like next door neighbors to it. That's crazy. I didn't know that. I could have sworn Costa Rica was an island.

Cristina: I don't know, maybe I confused it with.

Jack: That's nuts. So Costa Rica is Central America.

Cristina: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know the connection though.

Jack: That makes it weirder. Had it been in the Triangle, there's also a bunch of crap about Atlantis in the Triangle we know.

Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox, art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister. With social media managed by Amber Black.

April 07, 2023

Rambling 221: Fast Family vs John Wick

April 07, 2023/ GreyThoughts.Info

Is John Wick fast enough? Is the Fast Family clever enough to evade an undying will? Time travel? Continuing an off-mic discussion, the duo begin their movie directing careers. Their first project is a John Wick Fast and Furious crossover. Learn the entire plot to ‘2F v W’ as told by the directors.

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John Wick’s Dog
Family
How to Kill John Wick
Time Travel
Paradoxes

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