Rambling 231: Missing Titanic Explorers
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What happened to the vessel that went missing on the way to the ruins of the Titanic? Who were the individuals onboard? And what could be done now? The duo unpack the case of the missing Explorations’ Titan Submersible that vanished on the way to the Titanic.
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Topics Discussed:
- Exploring Titanic
- Missing Submersible
- Mr. Stockton Rush
- The Vessel Expeditions Titan
- Ocean Gate
- Titanic’s Greatest Explorer
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in five, four.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we're ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today's absurd and baffling idea is really, really just more of a weird instance and tragedy caused by stupidity and greed.
Cristina: That's awesome. No, that's not awesome. That's so sad. What happened?
Jack: Is it sad?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Okay, so I know the world is fully aware of the submersible that has vanished in an expedition to go view the Titanic two miles beneath the ocean, down in the ocean floor. So I just kind of wanted to elaborate on that and talk about what has happened that people. I can't believe this really happened. This is crazy. It's rare that we have instances like this that come along in the past. That happened all the time. Ships would go out of the sea and disappear.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And planes would vanish. It's nothing new. It's just highly uncommon now. But the problem is that the situation has so many interesting little details. So let's begin. There is a company called Oceangate and Oceangate is a obvious ocean exploration company.
Cristina: They sell just by submarines. Yeah. Boats and all that.
Jack: All of the above. They explore ocean related things and they are the go to company for when you want to go particularly deep. They have many, many things. Now they recently, about a year ago went on this vessel into. They went on an expedition down to see the Titanic and it went well, everything was fine. So they decided to prepare for another expedition this year. And in doing so they got five people total, four of which were passengers. One was the pilot that to pay $2,250,000 per person to go down and see the Titanic in person.
Cristina: Is that common or this is something super rare?
Jack: Extremely rare. It is. There's not much that could go down there.
Cristina: Yeah, but like I guess submarine tourism, is that also super rare? Like I don't know, just going in the water like that, like not just to see the Titanic.
Jack: No idea if submarine tourism is common. I know that this company does things like this. I don't know if the tourism part is the common part. I know that they have expeditions and a lot of these people are explorers. So I don't know if they themselves qualify as tourists.
Cristina: Okay, wait, the people that were paid, they do things like this?
Jack: Yes. Everybody on that ship is a specialized something.
Cristina: Oh, this is s***.
Jack: That the media doesn't talk about. They're just like a bunch of billionaires went in it. Well, fun fact. Not one of them is a billionaire. That was made up. What media doing its usual nonsense, making s*** up. 250,000. They must be filthy rich. Not one of them is a billionaire. But they keep saying billionaires went underwater.
Cristina: And then why are they saying. Do you have any idea?
Jack: I don't. Because CNN and Fox like to make up narratives. I don't know. That's the common thing they do.
Cristina: Do you know how much they spent on.
Jack: The trick is that at least 250,000 each. Okay, yeah, 250,000 per person.
Cristina: That's kind of a lot.
Jack: Nowhere near a million dollars.
Cristina: No.
Jack: As one fourth of a million. I don't know why they thought these people were billionaires. That's not even. That's not even half of a million dollars. They're like billionaires. Where is the billionaire? You wouldn't need to multiply this by four, then multiply it again by a thousand and then you would reach $1 billion.
Cristina: Are they at least millionaires or not even that either.
Jack: Some of them. Some of them. The captain of the ship was not okay. His company has significantly more money than he does because it's company. But presumably they. Some of them are millionaires. But that is not important information. It's just people who manage to pay. Some people might have $500,000 and decide, hey, I got that sitting around and I want to do this before I die. So I'm go look at the thing.
Cristina: And they're not really do this before I die.
Jack: Well, they'd still have $250,000 in their account if they had only 500,000. So they're still set. If they're 60, they're still good for life. So the. Ultimately, it doesn't really matter if they're. Which is weird that these news outlets would focus so hard on saying the word billionaires consistently. Repeatedly. Repeatedly, over and over. All billionaires. Billionaires. There's billionaires out there. I think it was so that people would become concern and focus in on the bill. Oh my God. These rich people have gone. Oh. Because people are fascinated by rich people.
Cristina: That's so weird. I don't know. I feel like just the story itself is pretty interesting whether there was billionaires or non billionaires. But people went to see the Titanic and then disappeared. That's still pretty like, whoa, people do that. People go down there to see the Titanic. That's pretty shocking itself.
Jack: Well, it's Absolutely. Not in any possible manner, shape or form. Because nobody gave a s***. When it was worded that way a year ago that people are signing up to go do this expedition. Nobody cared. But the second that billionaires entered, even before they had gone, it made all the news.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: So nobody gives a s*** about poor people?
Cristina: That's weird.
Jack: I can tell you 100%. Nobody cares about poor people because there's a ship with 750 people that disappeared and nobody said a g****** word about that. 100 of them were children. Near the border of Greece. Nearby. Greece.
Cristina: Recently?
Jack: Yes. Happened like a week ago.
Cristina: How many people disappeared?
Jack: 750.
Cristina: What?
Jack: And 100 of them were children.
Cristina: Why? Why so many children? There's a lot of children.
Jack: They were immigrants.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: They were trying to find asylum in Greece.
Cristina: Do you know where they were coming from?
Jack: Pakistan.
Cristina: Okay. Oh, my gosh. Okay.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: That's pretty horrible.
Jack: That's how it goes. Nobody gives a s*** about poor people. Everybody who's very concerned about these rich guys on this vessel that has gone down. Oh, my God, are they gonna be rescued? A ship with a hundred children on it vanished off the coast of Greece. We didn't give a f*** because they were all brown, poor people. So I will rephrase that. The amount of money changed the narrative heavily for the people interested.
Cristina: Okay, man. The news, man. Just to get a story, just to.
Jack: Get people to tune in. Yeah, you need people to tune in. It's about the views.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Cnn, fox, cbs, all these places did exactly the same s***. They needed it for the views, for the clicks.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: While these other people. One, you can't report on a bunch of brown people that disappeared. Well, not exactly, because later we found out that there was a bunch of human trafficking happening on that ship. And that's probably why it disappeared when that part came out. You can see the articles mentioning that, oh, brown people were human trafficking. Oh, yeah, yeah. We can talk about it now. But when it disappeared, nobody cared. When they were the bad guys. Suddenly. Oh, nobody cared about the innocent people who died. They only cared. Now that they can say all seven of them were traffickers.
Cristina: Harsh. Oh, my gosh.
Jack: This is America.
Cristina: Well, that's the world, isn't it? Is it just our news talking about this?
Jack: Cnn, CBS and FOX are American news outlets. I can't tell you what anybody else is playing. I don't know. Those the only ones I mentioned? Because those are the ones I saw. These are the one. The people talking all the s*** have to find other ways around to get information. Presumably the world is doing the same thing. Because if you look on just social media platforms, you won't come across it. And those are shared by everybody. So if that's the case, that means everybody on Earth is creating the same narrative.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: But I can't confirm in either direction, so I gotta say America. Okay, but probably. You're probably right. It's probably everybody. Probably every nobody. Again, this is like the Ukraine and Syria thing, right? Nobody cared when Russia attacked Syria. Those are brown people. Who gives a f***? But they attacked Ukraine. Well, those are white people. We need to arm them. We need to go help them. These people need asylum. But the same thing happened with Syrians. And we're like, no, you're coming over here. You crazy? What happens all the time? We don't give a f*** about brown people here in the United States of America, where only white lives matter. Oh, and this is a perfect example of that. A bunch of migrants left.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Didn't make it. We don't care. Until we hear human trafficking by brown people. Oh, yeah. That story's not worth it. Bunch of white people. Four, plus the captain, go underwater, disappear. Oh, no. This story is way, way more interesting than 750 people suddenly vanishing.
Cristina: That is so crazy. That is so crazy.
Jack: Five white people. Well, three white people and two Pakistanis.
Cristina: In the sub.
Jack: In the sub. Over 750. Fantastic. America.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: So now this vessel visiting the Titanic. Five passengers, $250,000 each. This s*** was not a submarine. Let's be absolutely clear. This is submersible.
Cristina: What is the summer? Because I thought it was the same thing. No, I don't know.
Jack: A submarine power itself and has an absurd amount of force to go up, down. It could take itself to shore, it could pull itself all the way up. A submersible does not have the power to do this. The best way to think about it is a scuba diver. A submersible is essentially a scuba diver. It's a person who needs a vessel to travel to the ocean and then they jump down. Usually connected to the top vessel. But if you're not going too far down, you don't need too much stuff. You could just go on your own. And if you are going particularly down, you either need excessively hard equipment and some way to be brought back up, which is essentially what this vessel was doing.
Cristina: So it was connected to something?
Jack: No, this vessel was enough to float itself up, but not get back to shore. So it goes down and it will.
Cristina: Wrap around to grab it.
Jack: Or the idea was that there was a ship to grab it. And the ship that it was in communication with lost the contact. It just disappeared.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And they're like, oh, they're, we're supposed to be getting these people but they're just suddenly gone and we can't find them. What the h*** is going on?
Cristina: Okay. Yeah, because it can't go back up.
Jack: Yes, it should have been able to rise.
Cristina: Okay, yes, it can rise, but it can't.
Jack: Yeah, but it doesn't have the power to get to land on its own. It has, it doesn't have that force. And it is also like if something were to wrong with the vessel, it should at least be able to be detected so they could bring it back up with everybody safe on the inside. But contact was lost, signals were gone. So how do we find where they have gone? Okay, so that's a huge problem. But this is not a submarine. This is a submersible and a particularly crappy one. This is essentially what you can call a bootleg. Yeah, it's the Home Depot version. You know, this guy just bought a bunch of cheap s*** and designed this tube like thing.
Cristina: Yeah. But he tried it before and it was fine.
Jack: Yeah, he's actually gone on this expedition before to the Titanic with the same vessel.
Cristina: Okay. And everything was fine.
Jack: Everything was fine. This happened about a year ago. Coming back to CNN and Fox and cbs, when it came to this information, particularly CBS is the only one who got it right. They aired the video about a year ago, they talked about it. You can find all this information. Weirdly enough, in the past week, both CNN and FOX have played that same video of the previous expedition down there talking about it like it all happened in the last couple of weeks. I don't know what benefit these lies have.
Cristina: What do you mean?
Jack: The, they have videos.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Of the expedition of footage from what they saw of people signing waivers for the thing. You see one of the guys going down, he's like, oh yeah, where do I sign? It's like, oh, do you know there's potentially dangerous and whatever. And you gotta sign away so that you can't sue us if something goes wrong. And then you know, if something goes wrong, you can't sue us. And this particularly horrifying situation. So we just want to know we're safe and. And you see the guy, several people. Yeah, we're gonna sign the waiver. I'm excited. Where do I sign? Get me ready for it. Whatever. This happened a year ago. CNN and FOX played that same clip that you can see dated a year ago on cbs. Yeah, they played it and made it seem like those are the people on board. I don't know why.
Cristina: Those are not the people.
Jack: Those are not the people on board.
Cristina: Are those billing?
Jack: I don't know. Why would that matter?
Cristina: I don't know. Because that's how. Maybe that's how that information got, man.
Jack: I don't know. I don't know who the f*** those people were. They are not the people on board.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: Those were other people. They are not the people who went down. That is a year old video. I don't understand why FOX and CNN do this. I don't get the. Especially when you can so easily confirm it. Because CBS didn't even do that lie. So far they've been on board with all the same bullshit. They're all lying about the same bullshit. Yeah, but I guess because CBS is the one who aired it originally.
Cristina: They can't do that.
Jack: They can't do that. But FOX and CNN didn't air originally.
Cristina: Yeah. So they also show the clips, but just be honest like yeah, this is.
Jack: From the year they should have done that. I don't understand what the f****** need to lie is.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's like you guys like you stopped even make it now. You're just lying because habit.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It stopped making sense.
Cristina: Show that clips and be honest about like what makes. How does that change the story? It doesn't change the story. It makes no sense.
Jack: No, it doesn't at all. It's such a weird thing. I think the fact that they got just been lying so much. It's just bled into the culture of these two places. Well, even cbs, it's just this time they couldn't. Yeah, yeah. It's like. Are you kidding me? You guys like, what benefit? What's the benefit?
Cristina: Use the clips. Just be honest about the clips.
Jack: I think people wouldn't care if they thought that was an old video.
Cristina: But you would be seeing the. I guess. I don't know. I don't know how any of this makes sense. It all seems bizarre. Okay.
Jack: It is particularly weird. Yeah. The passengers on board, five passengers. British businessman Hamish Harding. Pakistani businessman Shahzad Dawood and his teenage son Suleiman. French explorer Paul Henry Nergiolet and the CEO of Ocean Gate, Stockton Rush. By the way, your name is cool as f***, bro. Stockton Rush.
Cristina: I guess that's pretty fire.
Jack: And you're a captain and you own freaking. What's the name of this? Bluegate. Stockton Rush, OWNER of Bluegate.
Cristina: It was an Ocean Gate.
Jack: Ocean Gate.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Oh yeah, Social. My bad, my bad. It's because I'm thinking about. I just got mixed up with Bezos Blue Oracle.
Cristina: That's why Blue Oracle.
Jack: Blue Oracle was a space thing. Oh, what the h*** was this called again? It was called Ocean Gate. Yes. So Stockton Rush, the CEO of Ocean Gate. Like what a cool business card he must have had.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: His business card should have had little lines next to his name. Like they were going fast. Like his name was Rushing. Really cool, really cool super dope name. So there's the five passengers amongst them. Some of them are considered legendary explorers.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Legendary explorers. Some of which have done over 30 dives to particularly deep locations. Some of them to the Titanic since 1980, including the Captain and French explorer Paul Henry.
Cristina: Yeah, but okay then I'm confused about this submersive that people make fun of because you said it was like it was made.
Jack: It's shoddy.
Cristina: But was it really?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: How?
Jack: It was not a technical submersible. It was a tube that did not have any reinforcement to stop pressure from crushing it. That's why a lot of these people were kind of blown away that it survived the number of trips down there. It did. Considering that there's nothing stopping it from getting crushed. It was this clever design by the. By Oceangate. Clever design by Oceangate. But ultimately the ship shouldn't have survived any of these trips. It is made with every time. Yeah. It's made with particularly thin metals. It has really a lack of support. It can only contain a certain amount of resources. So it's not like beneficial to use in any manner, shape or form. The controls are literally an Xbox controller programmed and connected to. To this submersible. There's no way out of the submersible, by the way. Has to be locked from the outside. Is not like a normal device that you can get in and out at will. You need to be let out. So it's just the biggest piece of s*** you could have ever made.
Cristina: It's just weird because they're all experts and they know what they're doing and they've done this all the time.
Jack: That's why they all had to sign waivers because they knew this was dangerous.
Cristina: Okay. They knew this was okay.
Jack: Yeah, they all know this was. That's why when they were showing in the year ago video, even those people were like, wow, this is shoddy. But those were explorers too.
Cristina: Yes. Like it was worth it in a way. It's kind of like going to the Mount Everest or something.
Jack: Here's what's weird about this. Here's what's really weird about this? What?
Cristina: What?
Jack: You don't see the Titanic. You don't. You look at a screen. There's no windows. The windows would pop under the pressure. You would flood and die.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So you needed a cocoon that's nothing but metal. It has a screen and the camera on the outside connected to the screen. The camera sees the Titanic. You then see the Titanic on the screen. My question is, why couldn't you send a vessel that would record it, come back up, and then watch it on the screen? You have to go down there to be with the screen.
Cristina: Yeah, because it felt like, for them, like someone who explores mountains like those are.
Jack: You're not exploring anything. As far as you know, you could have never left the ocean top. You never went down underwater. He could have shown you a play, a recorded. He could have shown you a recording of a previous expedition down there, and you could have sworn that that was that, that was it. Because you can't see outside to prove him wrong.
Cristina: Yeah, that is so.
Jack: What part of this is an exploration that's so weird? Weirdly enough, because these people did have enough to just throw $250,000 for something that should have been a couple of hours. It is entirely possible that the conspiracy theories that have risen around this hold a lot more weight. When you think of all the absurdity surrounding this shoddy ship. They're not really getting to look at the thing. It doesn't make sense that you'd pay this much unless. Unless they never went down there, and the death that happened never really happened, and nothing happened, and they're absolutely fine and disappeared and they went somewhere. They went out there. They went out there to wherever to fake their death.
Cristina: To what?
Jack: To figure death? People are saying they fake their death because when people break this apart, they don't know what the f*** the point is.
Cristina: But people have done this before.
Jack: People have done this before, but now we have a ship that has lost contact, and this ship, this submersible, has lost contact, and they're thinking these people are gonna die down there. So the idea is you're gonna pay $250,000 to go and stare at a screen. Mm, this doesn't check out. You could have really, really logically sent something down the recorder, brought it up and seen that. But the fact that they needed to go and then disappear says way more. Because it doesn't make sense as a thing to go down there and not see anything. That doesn't make sense. You paid $250,000 to do something you could have done up here?
Cristina: Yes, I would. The only thing that makes me not agree with that conspiracy, though, is that people have done this. They have wasted that money. They have done that dumb trip.
Jack: Yes, but why does people having done the dumb trip in the past mean that these people doing the dumb trip now are under the same conditions? Why couldn't they have been like, well, the ship clearly made it before, so we'll say it didn't, so that it feels right, and then we can just disappear. Okay, because it's gone down there before. Your argument doesn't work because it has worked. It didn't fall apart. It has successfully made it. And everybody on board, like you said, is an expert. So what is the difference if everybody on board is an expert on a ship that has done this before? To do what? None of you are exploring anything. Yeah, you got in a tube and you disappeared. That's all we know. It kind of holds a lot of weight to believe that a bunch of explorers wouldn't go in a tube and not explore. That doesn't make sense. That does not make sense. All of you are known for doing expeditions. This is not an expedition. You sat somewhere and a captain did a thing and you watch the tv. Yes, this. That's not. Didn't. That didn't happen. That couldn't have happened. That doesn't make any sense. It makes more sense that they are not there.
Cristina: Okay, but. Okay, they fake their death and then.
Jack: They go somewhere where nobody's going to bother them. This is a case. If they are actually filthy, doesn't matter if they are strangers or friends. They are just people who paid this guy to make them disappear.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: They don't need to have ever met. If they're paying a guy $250,000 to make him disappear, he's gonna be like, you guys know each other?
Cristina: I don't know. I'm just wondering, like, how did they.
Jack: Like, you're gonna have to find them and talk to them. You're gonna have to find them.
Cristina: And there's no, like, there's no explanation of how that would have worked. If that was the thing.
Jack: If there was, then it was a s***** plan that we couldn't deduce and figure out that would defeat the whole purpose. If we could just deduce the plan. If we could just be like, well, this is how it would have happened. That means that we could sort of pinpoint the method and then track them.
Cristina: Are they somehow connected or this random five people and that's all it's probably random.
Jack: Five people. If he's gonna make people disappear, probably just gathered enough people to do like. I can take five people, so I'll take you when the other four people are ready to also disappear.
Cristina: But also, the amount of money they paid him to disappear, is that even.
Jack: Worth it to just get in a ship, take them somewhere?
Cristina: Yeah, I guess, like 200.
Jack: He made a million dollars to drive, but also himself.
Cristina: Like, that's it for him. He was making money before that, but he was like, for this million, I'm gonna do this. No.
Jack: Maybe he had more money than he was letting out to be. Maybe he also wanted to disappear.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: You know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: This is just a conspiracy. I don't know.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just.
Jack: I'm just theory. Theory. These people, like, they. I don't think they knew each other, except I know factually, the captain and the French explorer have worked together in the past. I don't know if the others know each other at all.
Cristina: The son and dad.
Jack: Well, the son and that know each other.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But I don't. I don't know if these people are connected in any other way.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: And if they were disappearing, that would be the most irrelevant detail out of here. It wouldn't matter if they know each other because they're paying to pay 250. You better only sit me with people I know. I'm gonna disappear. Like, what? No, they have to be strangers if you're gonna disappear into nowhere.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: What the f*** do you care if, like, boom. The more people I know, the better.
Cristina: I don't know. That would defeat the purpose even happen. I don't know. How does a plan like that happen with strangers? If that were.
Jack: How do you get in contact with a hitman? Still happens all the time. Now tell me how I can do it. I'm sure people do it all the time. However that happened. Yeah, however you can contact the hitman. You can contact the guy to make you disappear. Oh, I guarantee it. Chances are there's a Silk Road equivalent still functioning somewhere. And you could literally just go online. I need to disappear. Click. Who knows a million ways the Silk Road was filled with that. With hitman, with drugs. There has to be some replacement website. Especially as the Internet becomes hefty here. So there has to be. Now again, legendary explorers on board. Over 30 dives between the lot. Many of that went to the Titanic since 1980s, so they've been going down there for a while. So now let's pick these guys apart a little. Like Hamish Harding. He's a chairman of Action Aviation and Harding is a chairman of the company. And he sells aircrafts to Fortune 100 companies, international corporations, heads of state, people in the entertainment and sport industries. So he is big shot aviation guy. He sells to the richest of the richest. And he isn't actually a billionaire. That is a big point to make. That guy does not have enough money to register on the billionaire list. That is a fact. And he is well known as an adventurer. And he was the most experienced out of all the explorers, including the captain of the vessel. This is the most explored person, probably top five explorers on Earth. He holds the most number of records related to exploration in the Guinness Book of World Records.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: How would he want to disappear someone like that? Just like sex floor.
Jack: Well, that's a conspiracy. He probably is just dead. Like the ship disappeared and if they didn't go in order to vanish, he's probably dead now. One of the records that is probably the most impressive is he has the fastest circumnavigation of Earth from the geographic pole to pole by airplane. So he's gone from the South Pole to the North Pole in the shortest amount of time.
Cristina: What?
Jack: He holds that record now, why I thought about Blue Origin is because he was not just on board. Jeff Bezos, Blue Origin, why people think he's a billionaire, but he was the co pilot.
Cristina: Ah, okay.
Jack: And relative to the, the, the sub he was talking about. He says the only problem is that there is no other sub that is capable of going down there to rescue you. Not offhand like that. They're all military grade. You need military. So tragedy must strike. You don't just have, you can't just be down there perfectly fine and the vessel's perfectly functional. Oh, we just, you know, it just stopped working. Can somebody come and get us? Like. No, Nobody owns a vessel. To come and get you, you need to contact the military.
Jack: Like he knew about this ahead of time. He's like, there's nothing that could go get you. No other sub that is capable of going down there to rescue you. Having four days of supply doesn't make a difference, really. If something goes wrong, you are not coming back. Those are his words about that trip, about that very vessel. This is before he went on that trip, him talking about that vessel.
Cristina: Oh my.
Jack: He was like, yeah, but these are fearless men. They already know I can go to the top of Mount Everest and f****** die at any moment.
Cristina: Yes. That's the, that's the thing. Like they. People who do that. Yes. It's all about the risk.
Jack: Yeah, exactly. It's about the risks. There's a thrill in knowing this could go wrong.
Cristina: Yes. You're hoping it's even more real that like, yeah, he did this knowing he could die.
Jack: Yes, 100%. Paul Henry, the captain of the ship, Titanic's greatest explorer, is what he is considered consistently. Not only that, he is considered the expert of the Titanic.
Cristina: He is the single person, well, he.
Jack: Is the only person who owns the equipment that isn't military to go down there. Nobody else can get down there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So every expedition that's ever been there was him, all 30 of them.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He has been in every expedition to the Titanic.
Cristina: Every video we've ever seen of it was his.
Jack: Every single one was him. Without exception. We never knew the name Paul Henry.
Cristina: We know his words.
Jack: Yeah. We know his worth. I mean, I guess he wasn't the captain of the ship, but he was the, the greatest explorer there. Now he's led six expeditions to the ship's wreckage site and is known as Satanic's greatest expert. The director of underwater research for RMS Titanic and American, an American company that is owned the salvage rights to the wreck and operates exhibits featuring artifacts from the ship. He has all the. He has manned every expedition.
Cristina: He has done all the things he has to love. Big Titanic. He sounds like someone who goes to the.
Jack: He's an obsessive. Yeah, he loved it. That was his s***. That was his f****** jam. Stockton Rush, the CEO of OceanGate, Pretty amazing guy himself. He is the youngest person ever to become a jet transport rated pilot by earning a DC8 type captain's rating at the United Airlines jet training institute at 19.
Cristina: What does that mean?
Jack: He is the highest rated non astronaut in existence. He could fly f****** anything you could think of, okay? Anything. It doesn't matter what it is at 19. And he got that at 19. He is a navigation genius.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And he also has a bachelor's degree in aerospace engineering from Princeton University.
Cristina: Okay, so he's not some random dude.
Jack: No, these people aren't random. These are none of these professional explorers. Now the vessel, which is where this gets very interesting. It's called Expeditions Titan. That's what we lost. Expeditions Titan, that's what we don't know where it is. And it's again very important to point out this is not a submarine.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It cannot return to the surface. It is exclusively a submersible. It can go down and it can come up a certain amount and it needs to be picked up the rest of the way because it does not have the power to get itself back to shore. It does not have that. Submarines, on the other hand, do they have enough power to plunge as deep as their technology will allow? And the. It's a submarine. If it can return itself to the surface, it also needs to be able to open itself up in order for people to be able to exit and enter perfectly fine. This is one of the only vessels in all of history that you cannot open from the inside. They have to get to the surface and be let out.
Cristina: Well, it would be dangerous if it could be open.
Jack: Well, no, if you could open it from the inside, you would never be able to because the pressure from the outside pushing in would prevent you from pushing anything out.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: You can't open a submarine underwater.
Cristina: Okay, okay. Then that, then that's not that important, is it though?
Jack: If they came to the surface.
Cristina: If they came to the surface, yeah, I guess that's a bad thing.
Jack: But they're floating up there and they only have 90 hours of oxygen. You kind of want to open a door.
Cristina: Yes, yes, yes.
Jack: The rescue will be here. We're just gonna float out here for a while, but we can breathe.
Cristina: So there's no. There was no backup plan?
Jack: There was no backup plan. They really thought nothing was gonna go wrong. Again, this is why these conspiracies make perfect sense. That s*** makes no sense. You're going in a shoddy a** thing that all of you know is absolutely a death trap. You've all made statements relative to wow, this is particularly shoddy and dangerous, and if it f**** up, we're f*****. F*****. And you had no backup.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: No way, bro. No way. You're kidding me.
Cristina: That's so scary.
Jack: It's so sketchy, dude. There's something wrong with the narrative here. But also we know that these media sites lie compulsively. They might have just left out information and society obstructed. And it's hard to find out what's missing to this story to make it make sense.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Problematic now again, submersibles don't have the power to come up. I don't know what the f*** the plan was. I have no idea. This thing can't be opened from the outside and they had all just over 90 hours of oxygen for five people. It doesn't make any sense. So Wednesday morning, June 21, 2023, as we are searching for the vessel in a really large area, because we don't know on its way down how far to either side. To any side. To any direction. There's a huge radius that currents could have pushed it as it's going down with no power, assuming that it lost power. So there's a huge search area anywhere you got it. You got to calculate as it's sinking, how far it could go in any direction, and that's your minimum range. However far it could have gone, that's the farthest edge you begin to search at, and you work your way in. Okay, so we start hearing inside that radius. Knocking sounds. Something's there.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Wednesday? Yes. Okay, so we hear something like. Oh, s***. We're hearing a sound. Maybe they're letting us know where they are. Suddenly the plot twists, and we know. We know they're there. They have to be. There's nothing else. It's the weirdest sound coming from where we're looking.
Cristina: So where they should be in the.
Jack: Area that they should be. And we've never heard sounds like this. Send everything we have in that direction. It's Wednesday. They are gonna run out of air by Thursday. We have, like, 11 hours right now.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And that's assuming they haven't panicked. They're way out of air. You're hyperventilating down there. You're running out of air. Tragically, the best case scenario is that one of them went mad and killed all the others, and he will have air for way longer.
Cristina: Oh, my.
Jack: You gotta. You gotta do the math.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And it's like, by the time it's Wednesday, you're aware of the issue. And it's like, if anybody's been panicking, we're. We can't calculate the amount of air left. We don't know. So we gotta. We gotta. Somebody. Somebody's gotta go to stretch this out a little longer. And they're close quarters. It must have been a nightmare in there. It was h***. It must have been h*** in there. But again, hope from above. This is us speculating what's happening inside Hope from above. We hear them. We hear them. We don't know exactly where, but we know it's inside. They're there. Good. Good. Holy s***. Good. Okay. On Thursday morning, June 22, 2023, a cloud of debris is found near the Titanic.
Cristina: Oh.
Jack: As a closing, they have stopped hearing the sounds. And a couple of hours after the debris was found was the time that if they hadn't wasted extra air, they would have run out of oxygen. That happened in the morning of Thursday. And on Thursday afternoon, it was officialized that the debris was the debris from the vessel. Oh, the vessel was destroyed underwater.
Cristina: Okay. That makes Sense.
Jack: Yes. The sounds we were hearing are a horrifying narrative. Let's dive into that. So when the ship is down there, oxygen is an immediate problem. After you've lost contact. Yeah, you know, you have over, just, just over 90 hours, they need to get to you or you need to decrease the amount of oxygen consumption at the mark. As you're getting to the 90 hour mark, the vessel will start filling with carbon monoxide. Everybody's going to get sleepy, everybody is going to go to sleep and you're going to die peacefully and quietly. Best case scenario. Best case scenario. We started hearing the banging on Wednesday. They still had oxygen.
Cristina: So you think there was some murdering going on?
Jack: I don't think there was some murdering going on because let me just elaborate that they are two miles underwater and you're hearing banging. Is a human's fleshiness hitting a metal object under two miles of water gonna be registered by anything. You can hear somebody hitting that, you can hit that s*** hard enough to get registered on anything. You could be outside the submarine and not hear the impact of somebody hitting as hard as they can.
Cristina: It's explosion like the sub exploded then.
Jack: Imploded would be the argument here. Oh, so the horrible part here is that we heard these sounds from Wednesday morning all the way to Thursday when we stopped hearing them. So what were we hearing? The vessel slowly being crushed. That's the worst case scenario. Now all the news outlets are saying it imploded and that it happened instantaneously.
Cristina: That's what they want.
Jack: But that's because you don't want to tell everybody that for an entire 20 hour period you were hearing them being crushed. So they were talking about the noises. We don't know what the noises are. There's many videos talking about reports and people, we don't know what the noises are. People looking, we don't know what the noises are. But we're gonna keep looking. There we see the debris and we confirm that is of the vessel. They're dead. Oh no. It imploded and they died instantly. But you were hearing the noises from Wednesday morning all the way to Thursday morning. Any reasonable, logical, thinking human can tell you that was not an instant event. On Wednesday, after the ship had been down there for two, three days already, the vessel began to crush under the sustained weight of the ocean on top of it. So it was fine. And they were fine until Wednesday. Wednesday something gave and the ship began to crush. That's not the horrifying part because they would have been crushed by the vessel had it moved.
Cristina: Quicker.
Jack: But it began to crash slowly. Which means as soon as the first little crack happened, water started leaking in.
Cristina: So they were dead before it crushed them.
Jack: Yes. They drowned to death, probably very slowly.
Cristina: If water was in, it wouldn't have happened quickly.
Jack: No, because the crushing happened for 20 hours. We're assuming it began gradually crushing and pluck. Something broke. Now water's coming in.
Cristina: Okay. But they drowned and then crushed.
Jack: They drowned. Then their bodies were rushed and the. It was crushed into literal dessert dust.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. It just gets worse.
Jack: I mean, you have two miles, millions of pounds on top of that. Yeah, tons and tons and tons and tons on top of it. Thousands over this vessel.
Cristina: Insane. Oh, my God.
Jack: They were gradually crushed, but they probably didn't suffer the crush. Yeah, they saw the horror of the crush. But as soon as the crack was big enough to. For water to start coming in the scene in there must have been a level of panic. That's none. Because everybody was alive. Assuming nobody killed anybody. Everybody was alive. They all drowned. And it was not fast because the fact that this was crushing for so long means the crush was gradual. Eventually, a crack broke some infrastructure. Water started coming in and kept coming. As it crushed, it got faster and faster. But 20 hours, it started pretty slow. Because if it just happened instantly, boom. It's just nothing. You stop hearing it and say, blah, it's just gone. No, it was strong enough to slowly crumble. And that's what we were hearing. We're hearing the metal bending continuously for 20 hours straight.
Cristina: What did they think it was when?
Jack: They had no idea. They had no idea.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: All the videos with these people on top of the ship that they're on their press conference talking about the people lost or whatever. And I think this was like a Navy captain or something. They were looking. We're doing our best. And we have sounds. We don't know what sounds are. We're looking in that region. It's in the area. When they followed the sounds, they got to the debris. When they got to the debris, they looked elsewhere, found nothing. They took samples of the debris, then they confirmed this was the vessel. There's no traces of anything else. Everything got crushed into oblivion. Yeah, it's essentially making a black hole underwater. Got crushed into nothing, but got crushed so much that the metal broke into a million pieces. Their bodies must have broken into a million pieces and be floating at the bottom of the ocean. That is the reality of the matter, that the is not going to tell anybody. They died over the course of about two hours. When Water flooded that and they all drowned.
Cristina: Oh my gosh. They're not gonna. Ah, that's a horror movie though. If they decide in the future, in two years from now when they're like, whoa, this is a story.
Jack: Yeah, 100%. That's gonna be a f***** up movie at some point.
Cristina: Oh my gosh, that's so awful.
Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep. The media makes it seem like it's really fast. I know that's for the masses to be able to digest it a little better with a horrifying situation. But it wasn't. It wasn. And fast. It was a really, really slow death. The logic is you heard the sound for 20 hours. That means metal was continuously bending for 20 hours, which means it began as small cracks and water started leaking in. And then the desperation kicked in there as there's less space, there's less oxygen. As they're panicking, they're suffocating. And then the water finally catches up. Now you're drowning, suffocating. Everybody's struggling in the vessel. It was h***. Yeah, it had to be. It had to be the most horrifying scene ever.
Cristina: So it had to be either h*** or they faked their own death.
Jack: H*** or they faked their own death. Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There was debris down there. No bodies were retrieved, no bodies were found.
Cristina: Like if they did fake their own death, how did they do it?
Jack: They sent something else down there and they went elsewhere. Pretty simple.
Cristina: Because you said it was the debris of the sub thing.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like you think they had a fake one or they.
Jack: And they went elsewhere. Okay, yeah, 100. They just sent that thing down there. It got crushed. That's why it lost communication. Everything. Big a** deal. And they're somewhere in Cuba, invisible, hanging out with Tupac and Jackson.
Cristina: All right, all right.
Jack: So that is the reality of what happened here. A bunch of the world's greatest explorers went on a vessel and disappeared. It seems like based on what media is offering, they went down there, lost communication, were there for a couple of days. On the day before they would run out of oxygen, sound started. That was the vessel starting to cross under the weight of the ocean. That means water eventually leaked because it wasn't an instant sound and then dissipated. It was throughout 20 hour period. Water bled in, shortened the amount of room in there. They had less air. Panic. Water eventually catches up. They either died from carbon monoxide, hyperventilation or drowning, and then they were crushed. On the off chance you didn't f****** drown, you wish you did. Especially over a 20 hour period. You f****** wish you did once that gets small enough to be contacting you from both sides and you're still alive.
Cristina: It's impossible.
Jack: It's impossible. We gotta hope that they drowned because if you made it to our 10. Oh, f***, bro.
Cristina: If they're lucky, they died before the water leaked. I don't know.
Jack: No, they had air.
Cristina: Oh, crap.
Jack: They had. Drowning is the only. Is the. It's the bright side. Drowning would be the bright side here. That's how f***** up the situation is. Drowning would be the bright side. Just. That's the hope we can have. Because if you somehow didn't drown, the h*** you experience is like no other. There is nothing like the h*** you experience of getting gradually crushed more and more and more.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Getting flattened in real time while you're conscious about it.
Cristina: That's awful. Wow.
Jack: That's nuts, right?
Cristina: Yes. That's a crazy story. That should be on the news.
Jack: That is a pretty messed up story.
Cristina: Oh my gosh.
Jack: And that, that four passengers, which passengers is a loose term here, considering that everybody there was some expert explorers, some manner, shape or form, the two least qualified to be there with a father son duo. And we're still talking about people who have masters in geographic mapping and the son of that guy, like whatever, dude. They're all high ranked people. These are not normal people. On board this ship. We lost, overpowered, important people. These aren't just rich a*******.
Jack: It's not that rich guy who just owns a tech company and profits off of your data. It wasn't that guy. No, no, no, no, no. They like the people online think it's that because the media outlets don't focus on anything except a bunch of rich people drowned or whatever. Yeah, but focus on the people. Those were some f****** heroes down there. These were amazing, accomplished individuals doing really impressive work. And we lost all of them. Earth got shittier when that happened. We lost, overpowered, Guinness World Record holders of important innovative things showing us the capacity and the limit of human ability.
Cristina: Well, they showed us the limit, I guess they.
Jack: The limit, bro. They existed on the edge until it took them.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Meanwhile, we don't. And I get that they are very important people. They. They've changed the world with their research, with their effort, with their movement, with the things they've done, they've informed, They've helped us move forward and given people hope that allows us to see what is possible. I can at 19, be the most important pilot in all of it. Like those kinds of things are what these people do. Yes. Great. Fantastic. Really awesome. People were lost. And that's a f****** tragedy. But why is that in any way more important than 750 people? 100 of with were children. That blows my mind. And it's entirely because they were all white except for two. And those are the two least spoken of. And then we have this ship that was all brown people. Were like, we don't give a f***. Until we found out that there was human trafficking done by brown people. And now the story matters.
Cristina: It's only about what can make the story matter.
Jack: Yeah, you need. And it's not just about what makes the story matter, because the story already mattered. We just didn't care about it. Yeah, it has to fit our narrative. That's what it's important. That's the fit our narrative. And our narrative is brown Middle Eastern people are bad people.
Cristina: Ah.
Jack: So innocent people disappearing on a ship. We can't talk about that now. Seven human traffickers who happen to be from the same place. Now we got a weigh in and that's exactly what the f*** happened. Nobody was talking about this until we found out about the seven Pakistanis. That. And we found out about it because they were arrested in connection with the ship going missing.
Cristina: Okay, wow.
Jack: So it's not that the ship drowned or anything. They took it somewhere.
Cristina: There's. Then there's probably an answer to that question. Just they don't care about it. Because the interesting thing is these seven dudes.
Jack: Yep, the seven dudes. We gotta paint that picture. 750 people have been sold into slavery of some sort. But we only care about the people who did it because we can say they're bad guys. We don't want to say a bunch of innocent brown people. That's a bad sentence for an American audience. We need bad brown people. Bad brown people. Oh, horrible. Brown people.
Cristina: Horrible.
Jack: Now we're all invested. Now we gotta run this story. So the only articles I found in American news came from the arrest and the focus on that point. And that's actually how I found out about the ship going missing in the first place. I didn't actually know when I was reading that that it had anything to do. It is just a story about seven Pakistani human traffickers that CNN was publishing. You follow the story and BBC eventually tells you that there were 700 people aboard the thing and that's what went missing. You're like, hold up, hold up. You could 100% inform me on the seven guys, but you didn't think it was necessary to tell me what it is you were arresting them for. Human traff. A ship went missing. 750 people. You should have started there.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah.
Jack: May sound like three people went missing, bro. Get the out of here. 750 people, 100 children.
Cristina: So shocking.
Jack: Speak up, Fox, speak up, CNN.
Cristina: Who?
Jack: But. Yep.
Cristina: And this is a terrible, terrible thing. And you can't really get your news from the news. Okay.
Jack: You can't get your news from the news. Well, as Denzel Washington said, you're not informed if you don't read the newspaper. You're misinformed if you do. Ooh.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Not informed if you don't read it. You're misinformed if you do read it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: How do you solve the issue?
Cristina: Wow, that's tricky. I guess reading all of it like you did.
Jack: Got to read all of it. And you got to hunt. You got to do your research, because just one source will lie to you. You got to find what's true. What? Not even what's true, because you can't tell. You got to find what's consistent in all of them. What did they all say that the other wasn't? Because the best example of this is, I love. If I hear a story on cnn, I love going to Fox to hear the same story because their narrative is always f****** different. These are two agenda ridden news outlets. They lie so g****** much. And it's not even really lying. It's more of information twisting. So whatever didn't get twisted, you know is right on both sides. Whatever did get twisted, you know is on both sides.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I love the. The COVID stats where they're like, people who have been vaccinated are dying at an extremely high rate. According to Fox, while CNN tells you people who haven't gotten vaccinated are dying. They both show you the same graph and it defends both of their arguments, except one is showing you the graph from earlier in the year, and one is showing you the graph from the moment. Both graphs are true. Both graphs are real statements. They're just omitting when the graph took place. Beautiful. The information was true. They're just lying about when.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Beautiful. Both audiences brainwashed and they argued about it. You could find all those arguments about all those things. No, your side's lying. Oh, your side's lying.
Cristina: No, both your sides are like, yeah.
Jack: The information was somewhere in the middle. You're both idiots believing everything you're told. Because news media.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So for every one passenger aboard that ship, there was $5,000. These people made bank $5,000 for each individual on that ship.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: 750 people on that ship.
Cristina: How much?
Jack: Seven individuals took that exact. That. All that profit. They frequently made trips to Europe. This was a human. Yes. These. Human trafficking ring that smuggled people into slave trades in Europe. Yeah. And Greek authorities are being accused of not acting quick enough because they were pretty relaxed about it. And like, we're gonna show up. It was just miscommunication, you know. Nope. They don't do. For two days, nothing. Didn't bother sending anybody out. They're like, it'll show up. Didn't show up. They're gone. You lost 750 people, 100 of whiffer children. They all got sold to somebody. And you guys are pieces of. For letting this happen.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So now they're like, oh, we up? No, you up. Yeah, you up. This is like, we should start war with you kind of up. You up. You don't deserve your government. You up. Up. You should lose your government. Put somebody else in charge. You up. But why weren't they so lenient? Because the pe. I mean, why were they so lenient with it? Because Greece is one of the countries in Europe that accepts the most migrants on average. That's why these people were going there in the first place. People go to Greece because Greece is very accepting of immigrants. The people of Greece don't agree with that. And the people of Greece had recently begun a pretty hefty protest about border control. This made the government panic a little. And this situation occurs. And instead of doing governmently s***, they decided, let's be hostage to the protesters. So the. Not just the government, the country of Greece is to blame for 750 people, 100 of which were children going missing. The country of Greece, the Greek are bastards. Right now, the Greek, everybody who was protesting and scared the government, everybody in the government that got scared by the people, all walk into the ocean and die. All of you just walk in. If not, go stand somewhere and let us execute you one by one. Because you are pieces of s***. You are the definition of pieces of s***. Your fear for. For you, for. Oh, I don't want to have a bad image. Let 750 people go missing. I don't want to have a bad image. Go to h***, bro. You deserve to die. All of you deserve to die. You're all bastards.
Cristina: I understand. So they just let it happen. They just pretty much let it happen.
Jack: Yeah. The now they are saying that the ship drowned along the deepest part of the Mediterranean. There's no point in going to search for anything there. It's a ship. It's not meant to be underwater. We're not gonna go look because it has sunken. Bullshit. This trip. That happens all the f****** time. And you know these traffickers get away with it all the f****** time. This is the time. They didn't get away with it because you arrested them. Suck it, bro. They weren't the only people involved. Get the f*** out of here. But the problem is, I'm sure that because it was going to Europe. Think about this. Real. It was going to Europe. You arrested seven Pakistanis. Is Pakistan in Europe? It's in the Middle East. So then if the brown people got arrested where they were coming from, who were the people where it was going?
Cristina: The white people.
Jack: It was going to the white people. So the ship went missing. It never made it anywhere. We can't go arrest more people. It's gone. Let's not arrest white people. It's gone. It's missing. There's no point.
Cristina: I see. I see.
Jack: The trip always succeeds. We caught brown people. Oh, no. It's over.
Cristina: Yeah. Because you don't want to stop the real people who are in charge of that.
Jack: Yeah. You don't want to aim the narrative towards white people. We already blamed the brown people. And the ship disappeared. Narrative wrapped.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: God, this planet is corrupted as f***, bro.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's horrible. That's so horrible. It's all horrible. Everything you've said was horrible.
Jack: Everything is horrible. This planet sucks. This planet f****** sucks. The way those people went. If they went. Sucks. Our focus on them instead of the children that matter sucks. The fact that when the children disappeared, we only talked about it when we could blame brown people for it. Sucks. The fact that we caught the brown people and now we're not even gonna bother hunting the ship down because the brown people have been arrested. Sucks. The fact that that was going towards white people that probably now own 750 more people, 100 of which are children. And we're not gonna do anything about that. Sucks. I guarantee you that was going to some f****** billionaires. Guarantee you. They needed some workers. Slave work is real. There's a lot of it. Oh, we need cobalt everywhere. We need slave workers for whatever the f***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So we can't look into it. We can't advance the world farther if we don't have slaves here. They just disappeared. It drowned. It drowned in the same place it always successfully makes it through. Because we caught brown people. It drowned.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Now we can't follow the ship. If it. If it made it. If we say it made it to this destination. But we caught a human trafficking ring. Well, we have to follow through with the story. Oh, it made it to its destination. Well, who did it go to? If you caught the seven guys who sent it, who is receiving it? You don't want to answer that question. That's a narrative problem.
Cristina: Yes, they know. They know the answer.
Jack: They know the answer. You can't say it. It's a narrative issue. So you gotta let it be what it is.
Cristina: Everything's awful.
Jack: Everything's awful. Humans suck.
Cristina: Why is that the sum of this episode? That's horrible.
Jack: I don't know. This episode was extremely horrifying. It's everything that's happened in the last.
Cristina: Couple of weeks pretty horrifying.
Jack: Yep. So that's pretty much it. Look, I have nothing to tell you guys to go look at relative to this. This is a once in a lifetime weird series of events. Chances are we'll never in our lifetimes have another story like the submarine. And any other time that human trafficking happens, it's usually white people. We're never going to hear about it. It.
Cristina: We're never gonna.
Jack: Yeah, never gonna hear about it until another group of brown people slips up and then we could blame them. Until that we're not gonna talk about. It happens all the f****** time. But we don't hear about it because it's white people. Random story, just before I close up. Unrelated to any of this, but yes, related to children. Five children were found in an apartment locked in a room with a f*** ton of sex toys. They were only found because one of the four guys there who was holding them in that room had died. And the police got there and they found the children and they took the children into custody. The children didn't belong to any of these men. And all of these men were drag queens. Every single one of them. This is a real story. Real story. Fact. Just a little cherry on top for the rest of you, since we were already talking about children in horrible conditions. Here is for the leftists that like to defend the. The drag queens. They're good people. They're whatever. Okay. Yeah. Four drag queens had five children locked in a room with sex toys. That's the people you're defending. Okay. Anyways, I don't know what to tell you guys to look up. There's nothing related to any of this on any of our episodes. Go listen to our other episodes. There's a bunch of stuff, but this.
Cristina: Is the more happier stuff.
Jack: Yeah, this is one of the darkest episodes we've had.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Like, hands down, this is not speculation. This isn't just reasoning a bunch of s***. This is all factually what happened.
Cristina: Code hard facts, Cold hard facts.
Jack: No speculation took place here. This is minus the conspiracy theories. Yes, everything else is.
Cristina: We have a ton of conspiracy theories, if that's your thing. Oh, s***.
Jack: Yes, there is a connecting point. Good point. Yes, there are conspiracy theories. That's usually involving the government because that's 95% of everything. Anyways, if you guys have anything to say about this, any of this, anything we've talked about here, you can go hit us up on social media. You can find us on TikTok, Instagram, Twitter or Facebook. All of that is @justconvopod.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and reveal the show.
Jack: Yes, and be sure to tell people about the show. Word of mouth is extremely important and if you want people to know all the details about the events that took place these days, specifically leading up to Thursday, June 22nd of 2023. If you need people who want to know what happened relative to the vessel, the expeditions Titan and the five passengers, which were all highly accomplished earth explorers, you guys can, you know, tell your homies about it.
Cristina: Tell your them.
Jack: All the details are here.
Cristina: This has been another rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by Great Dots.in Fox, art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister with social media managed by Amber Black.