Rambling 229: Undeadly Wildfires
/Are the Canadian Wildfires intentional man made creations? If so, what does it mean? And are wildfires particularly deadly as compared to other things? The duo unpack the canadian wildfires and what they mean, as well as some of the deadliest things on Earth.
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Topics Discussed:
- Canada Wildfires Conspiracy
- Annual Death Average
- Controlled Fires
- Prescribed Fire
- Intentional Fires
- Most Deaths List
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Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I'm Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And right now you've just told me that you heard about a conspiracy theory.
Cristina: Sort of, I guess, yeah.
Jack: Okay, elaborate. Tell me. Tell me what we need to know.
Cristina: Because they don't really know anything. So I don't know. I mean, it's incomplete.
Jack: What's the theory?
Cristina: The theory is so awful that there is no forest fires happening in Canada.
Jack: No forest fires happening in Canada, which.
Cristina: Still a bunch of questions because there's obviously something happening.
Jack: Yes. So it is so strange that you would bring this up because I have both seen videos and heard from people, which I guess aren't necessarily reliable sources, but heard from people information that essentially supports this.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Yeah. So first let's talk about the existence of the fires, if there is a fire. There are a couple of different videos that I have seen in the last couple of days of planes intentionally. And it's videos where you can see kind of like the timestamp on it. And like it's like people making it obvious that they're recording this. Like, no, f*** this, I'm gonna turn on everything so you could see what the h*** I'm looking at.
Cristina: How do you know the timestamp isn't fake?
Jack: D***, that would be effort. But let's assume that these videos are, with the timestamp, are real. Right. Then this wouldn't theory suggests that there is really something going on. That there is like, okay, these videos suddenly surface. They're all about the same time, last couple of weeks, about fires, planes flying, causing streaks of flame. Not sure if it's many points of view of the same one thing. Not sure. If it's many videos, if it's many people recording this pretty remote plane, then it's part of some project.
Cristina: But isn't fires normal too? Like, don't we set fires to control?
Jack: Yeah, exactly, exactly. So there's a couple of things. If it's many planes in many places, problem. If it's many planes in the same area, again, it's control. If it's a controlled fire. The question is, was it a controlled fire that lost control? I guess that would explain it, right?
Cristina: A controlled fire that lost control.
Jack: It was an intentional fire that everything in theory would work out, but some crazy abstract other random thing, I guess not abstract, but Random other thing came through. Like the wind suddenly changed and got really, really, really strong. And that fire too far. Yeah, exactly. Like, usually it's a. And they can usually predict it. Well, usually it's just like, okay, we'll have the. We'll do the fire this day because the wind is going to be about this strong or whatever. They calculated it. They got all the people to the science people that do the science thing that tell them exactly the weather conditions, meteorologists and all those.
Cristina: And they got it wrong by like a decimal point.
Jack: Yeah, they got it slightly wrong. And it's also. We up the world and like randomly crazy happens.
Cristina: Okay, but if someone did it on purpose.
Jack: Now we're entering some interesting territory because motive matters. If we just focus on the on purpose part of this.
Cristina: Why are they like, why? What is people's theories on why? That's what I want to know.
Jack: Like on purpose bad or on purpose good?
Cristina: Bad.
Jack: Right. Because on purpose good is a controlled fire. That's not interesting. That's just. It lost control. But on purpose bad, bad.
Cristina: What could possibly be.
Jack: What could possibly be the goal? What's the point? What would. The government, I guess, is the main culprit always. So what the government need and they could somehow get by doing this.
Cristina: It does give me Covid vibes of like telling people not to go to work or go to school and wear masks.
Jack: Okay, fair enough. If a bunch of people suddenly die again, relative to this, I'm gonna tell you that I 100% believe there's something wrong.
Cristina: Why wouldn't the smoke have given us something? It's not good to breathe in smoke. No. If we get cancer in the long run because we've been inhaling smoke from fire, like.
Jack: No, I feel, you know, it could totally be. Maybe the. Maybe the hospitals are running out of money and they're like, hey, or maybe he's just greedy and want more money. The hospital set this up. And I mean, that's still government.
Cristina: I get this is.
Jack: Yeah. Hospitals are owned by the government. Well, some hospitals are owned by the government and they're still like, so okay, we're gov.
Cristina: The government doesn't take everything care of anything that's under it, though. Like the hospital. They say the hospital and then they say like NASA and then they say like schools.
Jack: But like all the politicians pocketing all of it.
Cristina: Yes. Those things are like hardly being taken care of. And yet they're evil because the government helps them. But are they?
Jack: No, not really. The government goes pretty bare minimum.
Cristina: Yeah. Somehow these. They're evil. Like, these things are evil because government. But, like, why? They're not helping them. They're not on their side.
Jack: No, the government is 100% not on their side.
Cristina: So you think the hospital is behind this?
Jack: No.
Cristina: You think the government is behind.
Jack: No, I just don't know who. We're trying to find out who's behind this.
Cristina: I don't know who's behind this.
Jack: Isn't that the ultimate goal, to find out who's behind it?
Cristina: And the cigarette company is behind this because if we get lung cancer, they can be like this. This never. This is not our fault.
Jack: Yeah. It just happens.
Cristina: People get cancer in. Yeah. Lung cancer is normal.
Jack: You think it's okay, Fair enough. So you're. What you're telling me is the cigarette company came with a comeback scheme.
Cristina: Yes, to show that they're not that evil. Because obviously you could just naturally get lung cancer. It's not us causing the lung cancer. Just being outside causes lung cancer.
Jack: Yeah. This is still. Man, that's crazy, because we kind of, as a result, will live in a weird dystopian, like. I've heard that word all week.
Cristina: Dystopian.
Jack: Dystopian. It's a dystopian situation. It's very post apocalyptic for whatever reason. So I guess based on that, is the world gonna end many different times?
Cristina: I don't think it's ending because we're still gonna live. We're just gonna die sooner.
Jack: No, I'm saying, like, I guess life as we know it changed immediately.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But also not by branch. Yeah. Sudden change is what we're measuring. Right. Because, like, gradual changes are always happening.
Cristina: What is it apocalyptic? I guess Covid made apocalyptic living normal. So, like. Yeah, that's. Why was it apocalyptic?
Jack: Is it apocalyptic After Hella, people die. Isn't that the apocalypse?
Cristina: Oh, they made us believe there was a bunch of people who died. And who knows? Maybe a bunch of people died. I don't know.
Jack: But not like huge. Like, we think huge numbers. But there's billions of people. A million doesn't scratch that number.
Cristina: Well, they made it seem huge.
Jack: Was the total death count.
Cristina: Oh, Covid.
Jack: Yeah. I don't think the total death count of COVID could have been that crazy. Maybe I'll be generous and give it 20 million.
Cristina: Right? Mm.
Jack: That's nowhere near a billion.
Cristina: 6,000. 6 million.
Jack: 6 million. Like, yes, those are lives. And that f****** sucks, dude.
Cristina: But there's worse things.
Jack: But there are worse things.
Cristina: Six million in the world. That's the world's head Count. That's makes no sense of the bigger.
Jack: So what's the biggest, the most lethal bacteria or. You know what?
Cristina: What?
Jack: I know the Spanish flu killed like 50 million people.
Cristina: 50 million?
Jack: Yeah. I am like, like 95% sure it was either 50 or 60 million people died because of the Spanish flu.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: What number?
Cristina: At least 50 million worldwide.
Jack: D***, bro.
Cristina: With 675 occurring in the United States.
Jack: Mm.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Just off the top of my head. Let's go.
Cristina: Okay, okay.
Jack: There are monsters out there, bro.
Cristina: Is that the deadliest? That's so deadly. I don't understand.
Jack: That's up there. Up there. That's one twentieth of them of a billion. This one twentieth of a billion, bro. Six million?
Cristina: Yeah. That's nothing.
Jack: That's a lot.
Cristina: That's not scratching that the Spanish flu.
Jack: Yeah, the Spanish flu is a freaking freak of nature. Some crazy death machine. But also, what about the Dark Ages? Like the plague? Was that crazy number of deaths the plague?
Cristina: Was it called the plague?
Jack: Yeah, but now my question about the plague is then were there even that many people around at that time? You know, like if we're multiplying 5.
Cristina: Million to 200 million deaths.
Jack: Oh, f***.
Cristina: So I don't know how many people were around, but that's a lot of people dead.
Jack: Okay, follow up. Is the plague also happening in the Dark Ages? And are those the same thing?
Cristina: No, no, the Dark ages are nothing.
Jack: What do you mean nothing?
Cristina: They're just a period of time before. What is it then? Light ages? I don't know what they would call it. I don't know. It just. Descriptions are just like. It was bad and economically it was.
Jack: Just a crappy time to live. We're poor.
Cristina: We're poor. Doesn't mean we were dying. I mean there's probably.
Jack: I mean, poverty means a lot of death.
Cristina: Yeah, but not the same as the plague.
Jack: No, the plague is some crazy kingpin. He's the top of the totem pole because d***, bro, 200 million. Everything is chump numbers next to that. Yeah, that's freaking nuts. So then is it that the plague is the heavyweight of life taking. Is there nothing that has taken more life than the plague? Is it the winners champion above all else, the greatest of all time?
Cristina: No, it's cancer.
Jack: You think it's cancer? Fair enough. Is probably some crazy s*** like that, right? Like what killed more people within a year period. Okay, so actually pulling it up and looking at the numbers here is a year, an average year, not an exceptional year. We have to choose an unexceptional year. So we got to look at 2019 because 2020, the pandemic. And then ever since, it's been a s*** show of random series of events and crazy disasters. So we're gonna use a normal year before the apocalypse began. So 2019. And on average within a year's time where the plague was several years. That was a really big monster. But it doesn't register amongst the list of the real heavyweights.
Cristina: Okay. Because there are some monsters.
Jack: There's some monsters in here. So I actually have no idea. First of all, this is a list on Our World in Data.org and its causes of death. I gotta count how many there are. And then we'll go backwards or whatever. We'll just. When we get to the top five, then we'll go. So this is a year on average, and we're gonna just throw some random ones out there and say that there are two things that are weird about those Canadian fires in general. People die at about 110,000 fires. Like 110 people die in fires a year.
Cristina: 110 people global. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. Now in wildfires, that is usually within a year. Only about 3,800 people in wildfires. People die more in house fires and other kind of car buyers and inconvenient things that. But wildfires are the fire that gets the least amount of deaths because not.
Cristina: Many people are in them. It's in the wild.
Jack: It's always. So there's not a lot of people dying in wildfires.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The media portrays that as something extremely dangerous as opposed to other things because it's an easy new factor that you can scare people with that creates a couple of things. People can tune in to watch your thing more and feel what's happening. I saw it in this news channel. Tune back. They got the information.
Cristina: Information, okay.
Jack: You know, you get views. That's what it's about. Exactly. But we know that media is controlled by something all the way at the top. And we also know that fear is useful for many strange things within the universe. So just saying that as we move on to the next recognizable thing, like murders.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Within the world, without counting war.
Cristina: Is that its own number?
Jack: It should be, but I don't think it registers. But yeah. So homicides in the world, about 415,000 a year.
Cristina: 15,000, that's.
Jack: That's a crap ton of people murdered other people. But like thinking what a billion is and the fact that there's eight of them, okay. It's kind of like, okay, whatever. It's insignificant numbers. Most numbers are going to be insignificant. It just sucks. To lose people is like, they're even bad, Right. That's really what it comes down to. But malaria is 650,000 a year.
Cristina: 650,000. I'm trying to imagine. Okay. What does malaria do?
Jack: It's just a disease. I'm not sure what it does. It's bad for you, I'm assuming. I think it's the one that makes your skin yellow. You get from a mosquito. Most likely. Suicide is actually way higher than homicide. While homicide is 415,000, suicide is 7, 160,000.
Cristina: Well, I would have imagined the other one being higher because usually when you're gonna go kill someone, usually, like, more than one person dies. Usually in those situations. Because usually.
Jack: Really think there's an exceptionally high number of suicides that are mass shooters or people who killed somebody else before they killed themselves.
Cristina: Do I think. What was it?
Jack: That there is a. An exceptionally high number of them, specifically in the suicide section.
Cristina: Mm. Do you think? No.
Jack: Yeah. Like, it would be average everywhere else. There's an average number of killers that have cancer. There's an average, like, that's the same across the board with people who don't have killing tendencies. But when you get to suicide, there's an exceptionally high number of suicides when it comes to killers.
Cristina: Yes. So what do you think? I don't know.
Jack: I would think so, Right? I think because a bunch of them blow their own brains out.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So they would fall in both lists.
Cristina: Yes, they would. Would that make that list longer? That's why? I don't know.
Jack: Well, no, they would just show up on both.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: That's all it is. It would just show up on both.
Cristina: That's still not crazy, is it?
Jack: Unless we wouldn't count them as a suicide, even if they killed themselves because it was part of some other thing. Like, that would require its own category.
Cristina: But then that number wouldn't be that high.
Jack: No, would it?
Cristina: I have to imagine that they're counting those people.
Jack: I bet there's a list of that. There's probably a list of way darker things that are just specifically horrible like that. How many, like murder suicides happen on earth?
Cristina: Okay. But it can't be that much compared, I bet. You don't think confession.
Jack: Just suicides, Murder suicides.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: AIDS follows suicide with 860,000 a year, kind of pretty small.
Cristina: When does it get big? Is there a big list, though? What's killing people exactly?
Jack: People aren't dying, it seems. It's the. Okay, so here's a fear. This is as you're coming to the same conclusion I came to. We are freaking out, but it's because we've gotten used to a sterile, soft cornered world where there isn't really. Like we were blown away that a war just happened. We were like, holy f***, that s*** still goes on.
Cristina: Oh yeah, it is.
Jack: Yeah. And like people were like, wow, how ancient of this guy is like, yeah, because even that's like mind boggling. There's not really a lot of threats happening anymore. So every small thing like triggers us because we're, we're no longer used to extremes. The closest extremes you do have are like these mass shootings and s***. But that's happening because people are crazy. There's no real conflict.
Cristina: They're just crazy.
Jack: People are losing their minds because there's no real conflict. We exist in a world that required fight or flight, but there's no more a reason for. And that has to come out somehow.
Cristina: And that's how it's coming out.
Jack: Yeah, people bug out. Well, not just like that. It comes out in a million billion different ways, but for some people it comes out that way.
Cristina: Scary. Okay, but then why wouldn't it be happening everywhere? Why does it feel so American for shootouts? For someone to just go kill off a bunch of kids within themselves?
Jack: I don't know. Because it's not that guns don't exist everywhere else.
Cristina: Exactly. Are you saying that we're so much better than the rest of the world that we have no problems in the rest of the world? Does?
Jack: Like, who said that?
Cristina: You, you just said we're bored and that's how that happens. Not that all of that, that's that.
Jack: But like, no, I'm saying there's no real conflict. Nothing is threatening us other than other people.
Cristina: There's no one else.
Jack: Nothing is threatening humans other than other humans. And it's not some giant entity that's doing it. It's just random m***********. So there's not a real threat. There's no animals lurking. There's no.
Cristina: Why isn't things like that. Things like that happening over there too?
Jack: Over where?
Cristina: Anywhere, I don't know. Canada, I don't know, Switzerland. It's just not, I guess, Greenland, I don't know.
Jack: Government's doing well in other places.
Cristina: I suppose that they're keeping people from not doing something. Like, are there people there that want to do it, but the government somehow is doing a better job?
Jack: Well, doesn't Japan have a literal suicide problem? Like, s***. What exactly are you alluding to? What are you trying to get to? Every place has its thing.
Cristina: Every place has its thing.
Jack: Yeah. There's some s*** going on everywhere. This country is where women just get slaughtered at random. Like, okay, s*** happens places. What is your point?
Cristina: That is weird. I don't know.
Jack: We got guns and we shoot each other. France has a huge human trafficking issue. Like, okay.
Cristina: Huh?
Jack: What are we getting to?
Cristina: Okay, Everyone has their problem.
Jack: Yeah. There's a country run by a terrorist organization that's just a country now. We just all accepted that and we're just looking the other way because we made it happen. It's just.
Cristina: We definitely didn't make that happen.
Jack: Yeah. It's just there. Nobody's talking about it. It's just there.
Cristina: It's just there.
Jack: That's their thing. They're just.
Cristina: And now the terrorists are horrified of. Why isn't that the thing on the news?
Jack: Because. Because we're laughing at the terrorists. The terrorists took over, killed all the people they needed to work, and then realized that a country doesn't function without the workers. And they're the only ones left who know how to do the things. Because they killed everybody. Because they were like, we'll do it. And now they have to actually do it. So we're like, you're not a problem. You can't fund yourself. You killed your funding. Now you gotta be a corporate douchebag in order to recreate the funding and then like moonlight as a terrorist or some s***. That's hilarious. To the world. Dude. They went on TikTok and Instagram to beg for donations so that they can continue being terrorists. Presumably. But it's for our government or whatever. But. But you're terrorists, bro.
Cristina: Are they still terrorists? Are they what's running the government?
Jack: I don't know. They were just people who mur. I don't know. If they just straight up stop being terrorists, then we have to kind of take a step back and be like, s***, they were. They were dead serious. It wasn't just some. Some propaganda thing. They just did what the f*** they said they were gonna do.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We're gonna make it better. Whatever. Whatever version of better they thought it was, they really just went ahead and did it and just kill everybody and create some kind of monster demon state. No, they killed a bunch of people. And now they just. Everything settled. And now it's just a functioning place. They're obligated to put schools together because they allows people to get the jobs and then allows those people to do the thing that gives them money. So they're like, oh, crap. Oh, crap. Okay, I guess. I guess we should keep the schools we fought to close open. Right, guys? Yeah. Next is tuberculosis at 1.2 million.
Cristina: That's a lot of people.
Jack: That's a lot of people. That's a lot of dead people. But now we're in a million. So we've broken into larger numbers. But still, like 1 million is such an insignificant portion out of a billion, of which we have eight. It's. There's so many people. What's happening is. And I do believe that to some degree this next statement is true, Whether intentional or just some factor of whatever is happening on Earth that has to balance out, intentional or not, is that there's too many people and there's some correction going on. So all things must aim at reducing people. People can't be extinct because that's problematic. It's part of the ecosystem. But we're problem on the ecosystem. Right. There's too many of us. We have to go back to a point where we're not negatively affecting the environment. So the Earth is trying to correct that. It's like fixing a disease.
Cristina: It's not gonna win, though, because we're too smart.
Jack: We're a cancer.
Cristina: It's why we can adapt.
Jack: We can adapt and we'll change, always change.
Cristina: We'll find the medicine. Some people are gonna die until we find the medicine.
Jack: Yeah, you plug. It will pop up somewhere else. That's all it is. Just like cancer.
Cristina: We get stronger.
Jack: If you make it, we will go somewhere else. You've got to boil yourself to death.
Cristina: But even if you make a disease, we'll just make a cure. Or we'll fight it with something random.
Jack: Unrelated question, but related to this topic, I guess. Not technically. The episode the Atlanteans moved easily an entire civilization from one place to another. Right.
Cristina: Mm. And.
Jack: Earth is the perfect set of conditions for them to do that. There's water. And Mars also had water at some point. And Mars was Earth, like at some point. In fact, the assumption that a lot of theorists have in astronomy is, and I guess life sciences is panspermia, that we came on a rock or something. The most likely rock would be rock locally. And the most likely candidate is Mars because it's the next closest thing other than the moon that we know, nothing could have come from. So are the Atlanteans or whatever preceded them what showed up? And that's why they were already that far advanced. It's not that Earth was necessarily in the right set of conditions. But they dried up one place that they evolved on and got. But they're cancer again. The Atlanteans are just us or people of some sort. Just. We're just different, but similar. And they dried up that planet, they killed that thing, and then we're here doing sort of the same thing, right?
Cristina: Yes. I don't know. But how are they keeping their numbers small now?
Jack: They're not. We're doing the same s***.
Cristina: But their numbers are not our numbers.
Jack: No, we're doing good enough of this. They already learned their lesson.
Cristina: Oh, okay, so you think they're doing something to stop themselves from having more?
Jack: Yeah, they probably have some genetic.
Cristina: They probably can multiply. Yes. That's the whole point of their machine, of multiplying. Yeah. Yeah.
Jack: And chances are, having made us.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Or having used it to help us or genetically modify us. But whatever the case might be, that's not even the important argument here. The important argument is that they traveled after some place was turned to s*** somewhere else as a whole. They just moved civilization. So they had the capacity to do that. Could they have done that through space? They just migrated on Earth because it was small. But like, if Earth died, they probably just dip.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And if somebody were to predict the Earth is going to die sometime soon because their science told them, would they leave when they were just ready instead of waiting for catastrophe to begin? And is that what the Egyptians that didn't stay do? Is that why they had rocket tech? Or is the rocket tech never been used and it's just waiting there because they built it? Because they know that the planet's gonna dry up like Mars?
Cristina: I don't think. No. I don't know. I don't feel like they think it's gonna dry up. They wouldn't hide in the water if they thought, oh, this is gonna dry up eventually.
Jack: Why wouldn't they? It's the last place until it's all gone. They could be there and be fine for ever.
Cristina: Until it dries.
Jack: Until it dries up. They're leaving anyways. At that point, they would be the most hidden. If they're in the deepest part of.
Cristina: The ocean, well, it seems like they're there for good. I don't know.
Jack: Until the place dries up.
Cristina: Until the place dries up. Because then why even be there? Why not just leave somewhere else?
Jack: Why? What do you mean? Somewhere else? Off the planet?
Cristina: Yeah. Like why wait last minute to do that?
Jack: Maybe continue doing your science until you have to leave as opposed to preemptively leave. Not having to yet.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Use the resources in your area without having to use resources elsewhere.
Cristina: But it doesn't seem like that would happen anytime soon anyway.
Jack: They're still here.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While others are thinking on different timescales. You're like, yeah, definitely, it's super far away. But then we can be set up over there first. We can be who the Atlanteans come to. And they need our help because we became really advanced out here and they didn't. So maybe that's why they left. Maybe it was a matter of we want to be the leading civilization now, so we're going to get there first and start establishing ourselves over there before the Atlantans are gonna wait till the end.
Cristina: Yeah, they're probably dead out there.
Jack: You think they're dead out there?
Cristina: Just.
Jack: You think they're dead out there?
Cristina: Yeah, I don't know. They're just human still. They needed the Atlanteans to advance as far as they have and.
Jack: But then they did.
Cristina: But they're still humans.
Jack: So are the Atlanteans.
Cristina: They're Mars people now. They're not humans.
Jack: Okay, okay, okay. So the argument here is that the Atlanteans came from Mars.
Cristina: That means they're ancient.
Jack: Or the their ancestors. The Atlanteans ancestors came from Mars or these the same ones, the only survivors. And then they use the technology to preserve themselves. But we know that there was a primitive set of. There was a primitive civilization that had tools 2.5 million years ago.
Cristina: It could be them.
Jack: Could it be them? No, because they couldn't have come across space if they were primitive.
Cristina: Yeah, I don't know.
Jack: There were creature with tools and something dried up Mars. Are the Atlanteans who was on Mars or are those creatures who evolved into the Atlanteans? That's the problem we have here.
Cristina: Because it can't be both.
Jack: It can't be both.
Cristina: Why not? Because when they were on Mars, maybe they weren't that advanced. It was just luck that they survived on Earth. I'm thinking like they flung off of Earth. They flung off of Mars onto Earth.
Jack: No, that doesn't work. That's not how that works. They would have died in any way that would have happened. It had to be a conscious decision to go to planet B. If that's the case and they already know, then I would argue that the creatures that made the tools. No, man, no, because humans are. None of these humans showed up somewhere around a hundred thousand years ago to 40,000 years ago. These numbers don't make sense? It's possible. There's three groups. If the Atlantean, no matter what, something came from Mars. So we got the Mars, we got the cat people, we have Mars and we have the 2.5 million year ago people with the tools. And then we have humans that show up way more primitive than the people with the tools about 100 to 40,000 years ago. Those are three different scenarios. Even if Atlanteans are one of them, what of the other one? Because we know we're one and we're not the one that's 2.5 million years.
Cristina: Ago and the Atlanteans are not.
Jack: The Atlanteans could have either evolved from those or the Atlanteans could have been the Panspermian civilization. Maybe, maybe alternatively. Alternatively, maybe some of these civilizations, like the Egyptians and the Mayans, they are ancestors somehow of this much, much, much older 2.5 million year old civilization. And that's why, that's who. The ones who left the Egyptians, who left the Mayans that disappeared though, not the ones that became the Mexicans, not the ones that are the current Egyptians of the world, but the ones that vanished, those. What if those were the original ancestors of these other people? And what's there now are just humans that came from the ones from 40,000.
Cristina: Years ago that somehow have to do with them. Like I don't understand.
Jack: That's to fill all the holes on who these civilizations are.
Cristina: So their ancestors are the ones that.
Jack: We had advanced development on our planet. But it wasn't whatever came from Mars that's independent. And that might have been the Atlanteans or whatever their ancestors are, unless it's the same ones. But whatever they cross path got to Earth. And then there's this already evolving intelligent civilization that has tools. They're like, okay, we can make this work.
Cristina: But that doesn't make sense that they, the Egyptians and the piece, don't we all come from the same ancestor? Why would their ancestors be different?
Jack: Whose ancestor?
Cristina: The Egyptians and the Mayans ancestors are different than every other human being's ancestor.
Jack: No, what I said is that the original ones that were here, the ones that went to space and the ones that disappeared or went underground aren't the same as the current day Mexicans and the Egyptians that exist at the moment.
Cristina: But you're saying those Egyptians, those that.
Jack: Exist at the moment are our ancestors.
Cristina: But the ones that were living with.
Jack: Them before they traveled, they weren't living with them. Those are different people who were there and evolved from a different group of people and using technology and development and society migrating, we populate and move around. Humans then took over these spaces. But it was made by other adventures of people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Similar to how there's cavemen and like Neanderthal and this other thing. And like the same idea would apply here. There were different groups.
Cristina: Yes. So the Egyptians didn't make the pyramids. It's whatever group who was there. It was the previous Egyptians, but they weren't Egyptians.
Jack: They were in Egypt.
Cristina: They're in Egypt, but they're from Egypt. But they're from something else.
Jack: From what?
Cristina: I don't know. The ancestors that are not humans. I'm saying the Egyptians are the ones that have the human ancestor. And whatever this other thing is, they're also Egyptian.
Jack: They're just non human Egyptians.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yeah, they're from the same place. If a reptilian was born in the United States, it's not an American reptilian. Why would it not be an American reptilian? It totally is.
Cristina: Would it call itself something else? I don't know.
Jack: It could call itself whatever the h*** it wants to call itself. It doesn't stop it from being American.
Cristina: Okay, right. No, I guess not.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: That's so weird. Okay.
Jack: But anyway, that was food for thought. Back to the list. Road injuries are also 1.2 million.
Cristina: Stop lying. It's that dangerous. Oh, my gosh.
Jack: But it's not that dangerous. Out of 8 billion, the odds of you dying on the road at all are mind boggling.
Cristina: That's still a lot of death.
Jack: No, that's not even 1%. That's not even 1% of a billion. I think 10 million is 1% of a billion.
Cristina: Okay. Does it get worse than that, though? Like, how much worse? Or is everything else in the millions?
Jack: Yeah, everything else is in the millions. These numbers are only getting bigger as we go up. They've only increased kidney disease somehow. How the is there so much kidney disease? At 1.4 million, it's a lot of kidney disease.
Cristina: It's really easy to get disease in.
Jack: Your kidney, I guess. Diabetes, big heavyweight at 1.55.
Cristina: That's. That's the easy one.
Jack: It's easy to get, but it seems like not a common thing to die from. Like, it's one of the most common things to die from if you're gonna die. Yes, but like, having it does not mean a death sentence because I'm sure way too many people have it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, yeah, the number of people who have it has to be so many times more than a simple. 1.55. Now, mind blowing how these things are just gonna. They're gonna trip us up. We couldn't guess them. We couldn't guess these things. Dementia is more than diabetes at 1.6 million annually. Dementia 1.6.
Cristina: Having dementia.
Jack: Yeah. Your mind falling apart.
Cristina: Yeah. Oh, that is scary. Okay, so that's more likely of how everyone's gonna die. But wait, our brain is gonna kill us.
Jack: What do you think comes next? Name a way to die.
Cristina: Is it gonna be similar to dimension? Like our brain just shutting off? I don't know, Drowning. I want to do something really random. That's probably really low.
Jack: That's probably low.
Cristina: Well, tripping, I don't know.
Jack: No. Neonatal disorder, baby dying. 1.9 million.
Cristina: Oh, yeah, I can guess that. Mad baby stuff. I mean, every parent fears their baby dying, I think.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah, it's a pretty common fear. Yeah, appropriately.
Cristina: And it's always common. Like, I mean, it was way worse back then, but it's still bad. But not as bad, I guess.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like, that's always been a number one killer, I'm saying, I guess, for babies. For babies.
Jack: Just babies dying at random.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Okay, now we've entered the top five, though.
Cristina: Was that one of the top five?
Jack: No.
Cristina: What? Okay.
Jack: No. Now we're in the top five. In the top five, we're gonna take some crazy jumps and they're gonna be highly unpredictable. So name five different things and hopefully you get one right.
Cristina: What?
Jack: I doubt it.
Cristina: I doubt it.
Jack: They're highly uncommon.
Cristina: But it's common enough that it's killing everyone.
Jack: It's not. None of these. Nothing. Nothing kills people. People aren't dying. People are not dying. People are not dying.
Cristina: What are you talking about?
Jack: There's no high numbers here.
Cristina: In the millions we're talking about.
Jack: Yes. But out of a billion is what we're talking about.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So name a way to die.
Cristina: Name a way to die. Besides the one I already named. I forgot already. And falling isn't one of them. I don't know why. It's just those conversions with a lady.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Lower respiratory infection, 2.5 million a year.
Cristina: That's a big number.
Jack: Yeah, That's a big number.
Cristina: Am I supposed to guess that?
Jack: No. No way you're gonna guess any of those. I was just hoping you'd guess something.
Cristina: Okay. Lung cancer.
Jack: Is that part of this is basically a version of lung cancer. Digestive disease. Somehow that's a f****** thing way up there. That's crazy as h*** that this is Number four.
Cristina: So. So it makes sense. It's something in your body shutting down is gonna kill you.
Jack: Yeah. Digestive disease at 2.5 as well.
Cristina: 2.5 million.
Jack: Number three, respiratory disease. Another breathing problem.
Cristina: Okay, shutting down.
Jack: 4 million.
Cristina: A lot of these are okay.
Jack: Yeah. If an organ shuts down, you're f*****.
Cristina: Yeah. Like, what can you do?
Jack: Cancer.
Cristina: That's number one. That's number two.
Jack: And number two.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What beats cancer? Because you get cancer everywhere. Wait, cancer's at 10 million.
Jack: Cancer's at 10 million.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: It's still such an insignificant number out of 8 million people. And probably the number of people with cancer.
Cristina: That's a lot of cancer. I don't know.
Jack: I bet the number of people with cancer is astounding. And dying of cancer is rare. I bet you're not likely to die of cancer if you have cancer. We're gonna find out. Okay, now, the most obvious way to die. Now, you've concluded what the worst and easiest ways to die are. Right. So what's the pattern? We just found out. You will definitely die if your body fails you. If an organ fails, yes. So what's number one?
Cristina: Let's see.
Jack: It's the most logical.
Cristina: Your brain, your heart. Your heart.
Jack: I feel like your brain was cardiovascular disease. Your heart. Dementia is your brain. Yes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: At 20 million a year.
Cristina: 20 million.
Jack: That's the most deadly thing in the world. Heart disease.
Cristina: Well, I don't think. Still cancer, but, like. Whoa. Okay, so it's your heart, then it's cancer, which is just anywhere. It's like. It's whatever.
Jack: It's just random. It's just random, and it's still not keeping up with the most obvious. Like, you can live with that. You can't live with your heart just stopping. That's just something completely impossible. There's nothing you could do about your heart stopping. You're just dead.
Cristina: You're just dead. Yeah. I guess even with your brain, you can probably try to slow it down or something with your heart.
Jack: Your heart's just dead.
Cristina: Yeah, that's. That's it.
Jack: Your brain, even. No, there's some tangled mess happening with your heart and your brain, because if you destroy the brain, the heart stops beating.
Cristina: Oh, my gosh.
Jack: Yeah, because the brain has the information that regulates how to beat the heart. Without the brain, it would work.
Cristina: Yeah. That's why they're dying.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay. What?
Jack: Mm. In Taurus.
Cristina: But you think people. There's more people with cancer than there is people dying of cancer. Like, the Numbers is huge.
Jack: I do in fact believe that I.
Cristina: Found that in 2019 there was 23.6 million new cases of cancer.
Jack: 23 million new cases of cancer.
Cristina: Yes. Not including whatever was the number for old cases.
Jack: Okay.
Cristina: And 10 million cancer deaths globally, at least this list says. Which is half of those people dying. But it's not those people.
Jack: That's exactly. Exactly.
Cristina: Whatever.
Jack: The whole number is half of the whole. So the problem is we don't know what the total of people with cancer. But if we assume this average and people live an average of about 80 years, if we consider the earth, then we would assume about 20 million people. About. Yeah, about 20 million people every year. Every year. Counting backwards 80 times. That's hardcore.
Cristina: It's a lot of cancer.
Jack: It's a lot of cancer. The number would get smaller as we get further back because there were less people 80 years ago, but it wouldn't get smaller by a significant portion. We would assume that by the time it's 20. The 2000s. By the time it's the 2000s, on average, that maybe about half of that in people are getting cancer and that maybe by the. By the 80s, about 5 million people are getting cancer annually. So collectively, it's an exaggerated number of people with cancer who aren't dying anyways. It's a huge number of people. Okay. As I was saying that I was looking it up and. Well, well, d***. So let's review. Specifically, in the year 2019, there was 7.7 billion people. Right. We know that 1.3% of people get cancer. Useful information. So we just run that average and we get about 100 million cancer patients that exists in the world at any given moment. That is a lot of people with cancer. The issue comes down to the fact that we already know that there's 10 million deaths, because that means that if you get cancer, there's a 1 in 10 chance you're gonna die.
Cristina: Is it just 1 in 10? I feel like it's probably higher than that.
Jack: No, it's 1 in 10. 10 million is one tenth of a hundred million. There's a hundred million people with cancer, but there's 10 million people dying with cancer. That's all for the year 2019.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There were a hundred million people with cancer in 2019, and 10 million of them died. That includes new diagnosis and old people who's had it for a while died.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: On average, you have 1 in 10, regardless of where you land on that list.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: God d***.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: God d***. That's an exaggerated amount of deaths.
Cristina: Well, Cancer is a killer. Wait, it was the number one thing, right?
Jack: So cancer wasn't the number.
Cristina: Oh, it wasn't? How is it not?
Jack: No heart disease then?
Cristina: What is the number for that? If it's 1 in 10 for cancer, what is heart disease?
Jack: Heart disease has 20 million people a year.
Cristina: Yeah, but like, is it killing everyone who gets heart disease? It automatically dies from it? Like, is there a.
Jack: What's the percentage of people with cardiovascular disease.
Cristina: Yeah. That die?
Jack: Well, people with any form of cardiovascular disease, that's about 500 million people existing in 2019 who had that. So that's a pretty common thing to have, all things considered. That means that like, on average, 1/14 of the population has heart disease.
Cristina: Oh, yeah.
Jack: Well, somebody's gonna have heart disease at some point in their life.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Like it's gonna happen.
Cristina: That's how people die.
Jack: Okay, now that doesn't mean anything. No, that's not how people die. People, people are just going to have heart disease and some people are going to die from heart disease. They're just going to have heart disease because 20 million people are dying of heart disease a year. But 500 million people had heart disease in that same year where 20 people. Million died of heart disease. That's 4%.
Cristina: That's 4%.
Jack: You have a 96% chance that you'll be absolutely fine if you have cancer.
Cristina: 91. If you have cancer.
Jack: Yeah. I mean, heart problems if you have heart disease. My bad. If you have heart disease, you have a 96% chance that you'll be fine. If you have cancer though, there is a 90% chance you'll be fine.
Cristina: Okay. But these are what's killing people.
Jack: Yeah. So for a better reference point, about 1 out of 20 will die of a heart attack related thing, but 1 out of 10 will die of cancer.
Cristina: I thought the heart attack was more likely.
Jack: No, no. The heart attack is 4%.
Cristina: 4%. Okay.
Jack: The cancer is 10%.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: There are just less people with cancer than there are people.
Cristina: Okay. Okay. Okay.
Jack: Yeah. And as a result, in the course of a year, more people die. Hard problems.
Cristina: Because there's so much more people.
Jack: Because there's so much more. But it's such a small percent of people with heart problems that are dying.
Cristina: Okay, that makes sense. Yes.
Jack: So 4% if you have a heart problem, but 10% if you have cancer, you're less likely to get cancer, but more f***** if you get it.
Cristina: Yes. Oh, okay. Okay. So that's kind of. Then that's really the worst, isn't it?
Jack: Yeah, but those Are ways to die that ultimately take away the creating fear and creating some sort of continuous way of generating something. While. While all these diseases kind of. Not this. I guess a lot of them are diseases, but, like, while all these weight all these sources of death, you can't scare somebody with them. You can try, like, people try to scare people about cancer, and people try to scare people about heart disease and stuff, but. But it doesn't hit the same as impending current doom. That's more horrifying. A cloud of darkness is way more effective than a potential future. So when Covid came through. Oh, my God. It's right there. It's right there. It's happening now very different. That creates fear. I don't think these wildfires are one. I think all the fires are controlled. I think what we've. The videos I've seen are of controlled fires. I think that the wildfires that are happening are unrelated. I think all the videos are in areas probably around the same time because they know that the fires are going to come along this path. So they preemptively burn this small area, Controlling it so it doesn't spread out, Preventing the wildfire from crossing the distance that they've already gotten rid of. You can soak two sides of the forest leading straight down a large path and then burn the middle part, Making sure that the gap is wide enough for it to not cross. And now you've cleared path for a wildfire to not cross.
Cristina: What's the point?
Jack: To prevent the wildfire from crossing?
Cristina: No, but why? What's the point of making such a.
Jack: Big fire to prevent the wildfire from crossing. You set a big fire, you kill what's in the place, and then when a wildfire comes through, there's nothing there to burn.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That would be the point. You stop if there's. Okay, I need to give you a visual here. If there is a house to your.
Cristina: Left, a forest, isn't there a safer way to do it? Because aren't you, like, hurting people by doing it that way and just setting things on fire?
Jack: That is literally just how it's done. I don't. I'm not a fire person. I have nothing to do with the fire department or how people.
Cristina: That plan doesn't make sense.
Jack: It makes total sense. It gets rid of a lot quickly. You could take your time and knock down one tree at a time, but you need to clear several miles of something. It's doubtful.
Cristina: I don't know how that's safe. That doesn't make sense.
Jack: I don't Know it's done safely. Ask them. They know. But the point being that the. There's two kinds of those. They're called controlled and prescribed. And they serve different purposes. A prescribed fire is a fire that's done in a region where the ecosystem survives off of regular fires. There are some ecosystems that require forest fires. And because of how we live in the conditions, some places don't get forest fires, they should have forest fires. Or we've drastically changed the earth's climate in such a way that places that used to get forest fires no longer get forest fires. And so we do. Prescribed forest fires will go and cause forest fires in a controlled thing in the right environment, right temperature, right weather, that would replicate whatever necessities they have in that ecosystem to survive. Yeah. And then the other is controlled. And a controlled fire is when you burn an area so that future wildfires or a present wildfire some miles away headed your direction can't cross the threshold. So you first condition the side you don't want it to cross through so that the fire can't spread out that way. So you usually create a line and make the two other sides protected with some fire resistant material.
Cristina: But you're saying the thing that's happening.
Jack: Right now is that thinking that the videos we've seen that are dated around the same time that these current wildfires are happening and moments before them are really people intentionally doing a controlled fire so that they're controlling where that forest fire is going to go, or at least where it won't go. There's a city over there about 10 miles into this forest. We're gonna burn like 700ft distance in that direction. Just one line did that forest fire, when it reaches, it's already dead. It has nothing to burn and cross the distance.
Cristina: Well, smoke is entering the cities.
Jack: Why you would. Odd. This is what I mean by they're doing it in the proper weather conditions. They're doing it in their proper time. They're obviously calculating wind. They have to, they have to preemptively do that. So if it's happening at these moments or not, just hey, we're gonna set a fire and toxify over there. That's not how it works. They have to, it has to be done safely. Which means they calculated the wind and no, it wasn't gonna blow into any nearby civilizations and toxify people. That had to be part of the plan. It would be illegal otherwise. So it makes sense that they did start the fire that we see in the video and they already knew because they chose the time to do it at the location that was most beneficial for it to not affect the people. That has to be the way it happened.
Cristina: So then that's unrelated to the smoke that's happening.
Jack: No, because we're not getting hit by the smoke that we see in the. We're not getting hit by the smoke from the fires that happen in the video.
Cristina: What are we getting hit by?
Jack: The wildfires.
Cristina: But you're saying that's.
Jack: No, I'm saying listen carefully. It's a listening game. Now, the wildfires have nothing to do with the fires in the. I mean, they have everything to do with fires in the video. But the one didn't cause the other, or I guess, technically it did. Wildfire happened. It's 10 miles south of you. You're in the north. Your. Your whole city's in the north. There's woods, forest. There's a giant forest between you right now and that forest fire in the south. You decide to then make a line somewhere down the middle of the forest and burn it down. And not your side or that side of the forest, just a line down the middle that'll prevent that fire from crossing that smoke from the fire you did. That isn't what we're receiving over here in the East Coast. There's still a forest fire. You're avoiding. That's what's hitting us. The forest fire that was always on the way. The controlled fires to protect an unrelated city. And we're not hit by that smoke. That was a small fire. While the forest fire that's headed towards that city is such a colossal monster that the smoke is collected into a sphere of infinity that covered all of the east coast and seems to be migrating with the ducks or something. That's the case of what's happening. We're not being hit by the controlled fires.
Cristina: That would be wrong. What's the point of mentioning the control file? What does the control fire have to do with anything?
Jack: I guess because there were. There was a conspiracy we were talking about at the beginning of this video. And then these videos that are shown with timestamps are people claiming this is what's happening. Look at these people in a plane starting a fire. This is how the wildfire fires began. People. It has to be. And those are people using those videos to support the conspiracy theory. But that's not. That's just likely a controlled fire because there's already a wildfire.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: Now, the video is time stamped in the current dates. It's a recent video. The point of the time stamp that.
Cristina: They turned on that feature, that it's not a conspiracy.
Jack: I'm saying that I don't think that video is part of the conspiracy because there's still a conspiracy as to where the f*** this forest fire came from if it wasn't just a natural occurrence, which we haven't gotten to the bottom of because we basically killed this episode solving cancer. But yes, essentially we've run out of time, and I guess in the future we would have to find out the answers to these questions, but it gives us something to dive into later. Anyhow, the resolution to here is at least the videos that are online of people claiming that there are forest fires are most likely just controlled fires, and that the most deadly thing in the world is actually cancer, but it's not the thing killing the most people annually. That's really heart disease, but there's just a lot of people with heart disease. The deadliest thing, as far as we know is cancer.
Cristina: Yes, that's the conclusion.
Jack: Yeah, that's the conclusion here. So I hope you guys learned a bunch of things about how to die and whether or not the forest fire is a conspiracy, although we don't really.
Cristina: Know the answer to that at all.
Jack: We did not solve that at all. Anyhow, I hope you guys enjoyed this episode and you can let us know any things you want to let us know on our socials. That's just Convopod everywhere. Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, Facebook.
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Jack: Bye.
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