Rambling 154: Is Gender A Fact
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Is Gender a Fact? Where does gender come from? Who has a right to speak for transgender people? Is Toxic Feminism the same as functional Feminism? The duo jump into the topic of gender, with Jack on a stream of consciousness rant about toxic feminism and how its abused to enforce racist ideology and sexist perspectives in society.
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Topics Discussed
- Ben Shapiro
- Gender vs Sex
- Gender is Based on Sex
- Female Supremacist
- Transgender Issues
- Gender Roles
- Gender is Cultural
- Labels are the Problem
- Hispanics and Blacks are LGBT+?
- Intention Matters
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Cristina: This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
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Jack: Yes. So be sure to find somebody to sit next to you and get ready for the h*** of a ride that you're about to go on. And hopefully, if you are a person who stands firmly on the political right, then you choose somebody from the political left. And if you're politically left, you choose somebody on the political right so that we can choose truly dive in.
Cristina: The people in the middle.
Jack: F*** them.
Cristina: Aww.
Jack: They don't matter.
Cristina: They don't matter. This episode. Okay?
Jack: They don't matter, people, because centrists who identify as centrist on all topics are ridiculous. Because there's just some topics that doesn't make sense.
Cristina: That doesn't make sense.
Jack: Like, you know, George Floyd wasn't armed and, like, he was killed after he was screaming that he couldn't breathe and at some point started hallucinating and seeing his mother. Well, no, I'm in the center of the problem, you know, because if both sides have a solid argument, like, mmm, maybe this is the wrong time to be in the middle, because one side of this is ridiculous.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But then other times, it's like, well, Trump is a hero. No, he's a monster. Well, that's a centrist position to take. He. He did good. He did bad.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You know?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: People who are objectively at all times centrist, regardless of what's confronted. Well, there's always. No, not always.
Cristina: Not always.
Jack: Not always. A lot of the time there's a clear cut way, but not always.
Cristina: But sometimes we could make that clear cut way.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, we can. We can point towards the middle and be like, this is how you cut right between the two points.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Which we often do. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But probably not today, because today we got the. The big topic. We got the problem topic. The one that gets us canceled.
Cristina: This is the one. I thought the last one was the one. This is the one, though.
Jack: This is the one that gets us canceled.
Cristina: Yeah, Yeah.
Jack: I mean, fair enough. I have no idea how we haven't been canceled yet. Maybe somebody's trying to cancel Us, but, like, we don't pay attention to social media, so we don't respond to anything.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So, like, maybe somebody's trying to cancel us, but this is an independent private company that does whatever the f*** it wants and doesn't rely on anybody's money because it's f****** internally funded. So, like, the f*** are you going to do? Steal our bank account information and f****** get that canceled? I don't know, bro. I don't know what to tell you if you're trying to cancel us, other than I'm not paying attention. So I'm sorry.
Cristina: Yeah, like.
Jack: Like, I wish I would have been paying attention so you could have canceled me and got in your way, I guess.
Cristina: You want to be canceled.
Jack: I want everybody to have the best outcome for their lives. And if they've been trying to cancel us and it has failed because we don't have anybody paying attention to the social media other than posting s***, and we don't respond to emails, we don't, like, interact with this show outside of making it, then, like. Like, I. I don't know what to tell you guys. Like, I'm sorry.
Cristina: Try harder.
Jack: Try harder. Like, I don't know, bro. Like, people get death threats all the time, and it's like, if you sent us death threats, I'd have no f****** clue. There'd be no way for me to know because I haven't seen an email in, like, seven years.
Cristina: What?
Jack: So, like, where are you sending this to?
Cristina: They're mailing it to the Illuminati headquarters, I guess. I think they have address. I'm sure there' physical place.
Jack: There's probably some, like, these Instagram people who claim to be from the.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: They probably got some address.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: You know, hey, if you want to.
Cristina: Join the Illuminator, your email is over there.
Jack: Right. They're just like, what the is it gonna do if we don't send it to him? Nothing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And then I never see it. It's a problem. It's hard to cancel us because we don't care enough. Yeah, like, what are you gonna do? Destroy our livelihood? Does it seem like I have a life you gonna destroy? I'm trapped in this room with a ghost in the system. We're stuck here until there's some sort of mission to do or some crap I don't even know, man.
Cristina: But we still work like humans, right? Like, we still need the bathroom. We still need to eat.
Jack: Never thought about it.
Cristina: We definitely still need water.
Jack: Maybe.
Cristina: Maybe.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Like, we're still Pretty human. Even though we're clones.
Jack: Maybe. But look, today is the big one. Today is the one that's gonna get us canceled. Maybe. Probably not. Let's be real. It doesn't matter what you guys think. But today we're discussing gender. This was the. The most intentional subject thus far because I was just listening to Ben Shapiro talk about it, and I was like, s***, you got a point, he's got point. F***. I'm usually like, look, I. I understand the division of sex and gender, and I agree with it. They are two different things. But to say one isn't based on the other is a f****** problem. That's where the lie comes in.
Cristina: That's where the lie comes in.
Jack: That's where the lie comes in. Because, yes, we constructed gender.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: We constructed it based. Based on sex.
Cristina: On something else.
Jack: Yeah, that's the problem. And now that used to be my stance, that sex and gender are tied together, even if I'm aware of the difference of gender from sex. And I completely agree that those are two different things. And I forgot that they're connected in continuously having to defend against people who exclusively say they're the same thing, because that's wrong too. They're not the same thing. One is based on the other.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But they're not the same thing. There are two different words because they are two different things.
Cristina: But how has this changed what you thought?
Jack: Well, I. It didn't. It just sent me back to what I was thinking before because I forgot about it. And continuously defending against people who have no idea what the difference between sex and gender is, and assuming they're the same thing, me having to continuously reinforce the fact that they're not the same thing. I forgot the link that one is based on the other, because I'm like, this is why they're different. This is why they're different. This over and over and over and over to the point that I forgot why they're the same. Or not forgot, but I forgot that they're the same in the same way. That they're different.
Cristina: And why is that important, though?
Jack: Because it. We have two camps of thought right now, and it is. Isn't even a political difference, because we have, for example, Ben Shapiro and Dave Chappelle, who come from political opposites. One is a leftist Democratic progressive, and the other is a conservative Republican right wing follower. And so we got these two people agreeing on gender being based on sex.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they're not saying by any means that gender is sex. They agree there's a difference, but they are also stating that gender is based on sex. And then the trans defenders get riled up. Now I have. The reason I use trans defenders is because of a simple, very clear detail.
Cristina: What makes them different from just a regular trans.
Jack: Yeah, my trans friends agree with my point of view. Not the trans defenders, who are usually these psychotic women who claim to be feminists and really aren't. They're just like this female superiority people. They got the superiority complex of, well, I should have a right man. I was having a conversation with this lady, right?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And we were actually talking about trans things or whatever.
Cristina: She's a trans defender.
Jack: She's a trans offender. She claims to be a feminist. And I explained to her what a female supremacist is, which is a female who believes that her voice supersedes everybody's voice, no matter what the case might be, rather than a feminist who believes that female and men are equal, the men and women are equal, or I guess females and males are equal. Female supremacist believes that objectively, females should, like they do, already have the answer for everything. And in this conversation, she proceeds to say, well, I don't listen to cisgendered people about trans issues. I only listen to LGBT members. To which I proceeded to say, well, I don't listen to the opinions of anybody who isn't transgender on gender issues because they have no personal experience to make any judgment call at all. And she got so f****** offended that I told her, you're not trans to make choices or voice any trans beliefs. You don't have the experience. You don't know what it is to be treated like s***, to fear for your life because of simply, you're. You feel a different way, and people just don't understand that.
Cristina: But I don't. Like, what is exactly the difference between what you said to her and what she said to you?
Jack: In what she said to me, she believes she does get to speak.
Cristina: Okay, she's speaking.
Jack: She's saying all gay people speak for trans people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: But it's like, it's not the same thing. Some trans people are just straight.
Cristina: Yeah, they're just straight.
Jack: So what the f*** are you talking about?
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Should we even say they're part of lgbt? If she feels woman and she likes men. If she feels woman and she likes men, that's just a straight woman.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So you're not listening to her opinion either?
Cristina: Oh, did you ask that? No.
Jack: Her argument was stupid to begin with. It's like, I only listened to. Well, LGBT members aren't just Objectively, all trans people. Yeah, only trans people get to speak for trans rights and issues and ideas and philosophies. And you are not trans. And you don't get to make that call. And I don't give a how offended you get. I don't give a how bothered you get. I don't give a if you try to cancel me because you don't get a say. I don't get a say? You are right. Also, you don't get a say. Nobody but the trans people get to say how the trans people feel. If a trans person, like some of my personal trans friends, I. I have a questionable amount of gay friends and trans friends. I get it. It's like, oh, man, you sure you're not leaning somewhere? It's like, I get that it's a questionable amount of people in my circle who are not straight necessarily, but they side with my. At least the trans people side with my belief that, yeah, one is based on the other. Because the argument that they make that I also side with is, if there is no difference between man and woman, why would I say I feel like a woman if I was born male? It's like, yeah, I see where the f*** you're coming from. You're right. You're right. It totally makes sense. I get your f****** argument. That makes perfect sense to me that there has to be a difference.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And thus it's based in something that you are claiming. Woman, because woman is tied to female.
Cristina: Yes. And someone is saying that they're not the same.
Jack: The trans offenders are saying that these concepts are not tied together at all. But females do female do womenly things, and then a trans person who claims to be woman does things that females that claim to be women do.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Thus you've just subscribed to the female gender role of woman. My trans friends agree with this, which is, I feel like a woman because I do not identify with feeling like a man. And so I do things that females would do. And, like, okay, I get your idea. But then who the f*** are these other people out here who are saying some other s*** contrary to you? Who's living the experience?
Jack: And it's like, I don't. Who. Who the f*** are these people? They're not you. You're the f****** one telling me what you believe, and you're living it. So why the f*** are they the ones that are being really loud and making the statements that everybody else is listening to that's objectively wrong if they're not living the experience? The argument here Is trans. People who subscribe to either gender of female or male or male, or I guess not gender, but of woman and man are claiming that female and male.
Cristina: Are real things, are connected to male and woman.
Jack: To man and woman. Yeah, okay, they're saying that sex and gender are related. Anybody who isn't subscribing to those two.
Cristina: People change their sex to match their gender.
Jack: Because if it was just I claim I'm a woman, but I do all things that male does. Now we have a different ideology. You're complicated in a different way. You don't apply to what we're talking about. But if you are born male and you identify woman and then you put on heels and a dress, then you're doing things that a female that would claim to be woman would do. You're already creating the line that says woman, female.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And again, I'm not in any way saying that this is exclusively tied together. Somebody who's gender binary. You don't fall f****** anywhere, bro. A male who identifies as woman and continues to dress as male and behave as male and do only male things, but continues to identify as woman. You also don't fall under this umbrella.
Cristina: And vice versa, who are constantly changing what they feel.
Jack: The gender fluid people.
Cristina: Oh, is that what that is?
Jack: Okay, well then this is a different thing that kind of sides with the original argument that, yes, male and female are associated with man and woman because their fluidity tends to be associated. Yes, with the role. Okay, so, you know, I like my girly moments. Well, what do you mean? Well, you know, I like dresses and make them look so female things is where you like you jumping over there.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And it's fine to have that and there are people who don't fall under it. But to say they are exclusively not the same thing. You are denying somebody's whole experience just because you want your voice to be loud.
Cristina: That's always the problem.
Jack: Yeah, and now you're contradicting your entire f****** argument because you want to say, don't be exclusionary, but you are the one excluding this person's exact opinion because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions and your existing narrative.
Cristina: Yes, okay, yes, it's a pretty big problem. It's a big problem. But how do you fix that? I don't know.
Jack: The problem is that it exists. I don't know how we would approach fixing it other than forms of education probably done by trans people rather than the people who are trans defenders, like female supremacists, who for whatever reason believe they get to say anything and are right just because they screamed it at somebody.
Cristina: What about the doctors that prove. Whatever. Whatever. Are they also.
Jack: Well, no, doctors that prove that gender and sex aren't related are proving that the psychology of gender isn't inherently a default based on the sex. But that doesn't mean the gender role isn't tied to the sex. Okay, so you can say, like, okay, just because you're male doesn't mean you are man. That's correct. You are. You are totally right. That is a correct statement. That is not by default. Now, it could mean that, but it could not mean that. Yes, fine. That's totally true. Now, to say that the gender, man. Isn't based on the sex male and masculinity and strong work and earning the bread and, you know, all these stupid machista bullshit things, that would be a lie because it is based on it. One is immediately reflected on the other. Now, gender requires sex to establish itself, but sex does not require gender to establish itself.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So, like, gender is psychological but based on biology. It isn't biological.
Cristina: A human thing. Right.
Jack: Gender is a human construct. Yes, but we constructed it based on sex.
Cristina: Yeah, I'm like, Like, you know, the animals are just. It's all sex related.
Jack: Yes. That's biology.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Yes. So sex is your sexual organs.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And your crows. What is it? Your chromosome alignment.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So XX and xy, you know, male, female. And those are scientific. And you cannot argue them and you cannot fight them.
Cristina: And gender is based on it, but is less scientific.
Jack: Gender is psychological.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And it's not biological. They're both scientific.
Cristina: They're scientific.
Jack: Yes, because you can detect the female characteristics inside of a person, determine that they're more likely to identify as a woman because there is psychology behind it. Now, that does not tie them to their sex, but what they'll be identifying is. Has been based on sex.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So they're more likely to wear a skirt and they're more likely to speak with a lisp at the end. And they're more likely to like these.
Cristina: Kinds of things because of their sex or because of.
Jack: Because of their gender, which you could determine psychologically through evaluations. And things that there are patterns. Actually, with brain scans, you could tell that there are differences between like. Again, they're not connected. One is just based on the other. But the things that culturally we have built around them have tied woman, the female, and man to male.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And I know people are gonna struggle understanding what I am saying, and I'll quickly try to elaborate again. Here, 20 minutes in, which is sex is male organ, female organ, and which chromosomes you have, XX or xy. Gender is a role. You're choosing how you self identify and how you perceive yourself. It's a subjective experience, it's not an objective fact. So you can be born male and there's a likely probability, the highest probability is that you're going to be also man.
Cristina: Also.
Jack: Those are not necessarily fact. You could be born man, you could be born male and be a woman.
Cristina: And in different cultures and different societies, what we would, our gender roles are a little different. They're not all exactly the same.
Jack: Yes. Gender roles are entirely cultural.
Cristina: Yeah. So like you might feel one way here, but if you want to live somewhere else, would it change? Would it affect at all?
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: How you feel about yourself.
Jack: It's very interesting. Right, because there are different, I guess, dichotomies, different ways of approaching the same idea. There are cultures where the women are the bread earners and the men stay home and handle their business that way. And now that is to say that they're the role of a man is being at home.
Cristina: So what would that change? That's, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: Because somebody over here might be like, I'm a man, have been born female and then travel to those places and realize, well, I guess by these standards I'm female or I'm a woman. By these standards, I'm a woman.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So now that's another problem. We get tied up on the words.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because what you're saying is the role, not the name we gave the role. So it should be like we could divide it easily and say caretaker, caretaker. Well, I'm a caretaker regardless of how it looks. So now we've stripped it away from the gender titles we've given and say I'm a caretaker. I'm a person who likes to stay home and do these things. And I like the color pink and I like makeup and I like dresses. And it's like we don't have to associate that with female.
Cristina: We don't, but for some reason we do.
Jack: Yeah. Not only that, we mix. We fail to mix a bunch of these ideologies, which is another problem. This is where the, the right Republican, conservative fail at this, which is the mix matching, which the left seems pretty good at doing.
Cristina: What's the mix matching?
Jack: Think of the example I gave of I like to be a caretaker, I like makeup, I like dresses, I like the color pink. But what stops somebody from being, I like to earn the money, I like the Color pink. I like to lift weights and I like football. But I also like dresses.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: So the mix matching of these things is problematic for the conservative. Right. Because they believe. Well, no, there is one thing that applies straight across the board.
Cristina: Yes. Which is wrong.
Jack: Which is wrong.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Again, one doesn't mean the other. It's just based on the other.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: So the beginning blocks the foundation, if we will. For woman is pink, is dresses, is caretaker.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: But that doesn't mean that it would apply to everyone. It would apply to everybody and that it necessitates those things to be a woman. Yeah, it's just what it was based on. Now, the argument would be because it is based on it, if you are missing enough of them, you cannot identify as woman. Honestly. Because the concept, the gender of woman is itself based on female. It's a gender role for asex.
Cristina: But how would you like, you're gonna have a bunch of points and you gotta look at them and like, oh, you can 60%.
Jack: If you are 51% woman, then you are a woman. But if you are 49% woman, you are a man.
Cristina: That's too much.
Jack: Well, the argument would be that it is based on the sex. It's a role that was based on the established position. The roles of a gender is a role.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or gender has roles.
Cristina: That's why the word gender fluid is a thing. So that it's because it's too complicated to say you want to be one or another. If you feeling you like both sides.
Jack: Why possible gender fluid is so in the middle, it's hard to tell where you land.
Cristina: Okay. So it's not even 60, 40.
Jack: And there's also non binary and non binary, which would. Now my question is. Well, no, here's a problem. Gender fluid is a problem because gender fluid is a person that believes they can dive into woman, then exit woman and dive into man.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And they might feel like one at one time and feel like one at the other.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: But they're subscribing to the idea that woman is tied to female.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: And man is tied the male. While somebody who's gender non binary is actually the true only person able to fight for that not existing. Because they feel like it doesn't make sense.
Cristina: Because it doesn't make sense.
Jack: Because it doesn't make sense.
Cristina: It really doesn't. I don't think it makes sense. Like it doesn't make sense that we have to stick to any role. Why can't we just go between rows and not label ourselves anything that is the other problem. Labeling is really the problem.
Jack: Labeling is the problem. This is the problem we've always had in all of time.
Cristina: Because we love labels.
Jack: We love labels. We love labels. But there's no point to it.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Why can't you be a male who loves dresses?
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Why must you now identify as a woman?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Well, maybe you just like dresses.
Cristina: You don't need to be.
Jack: Yeah, you don't need to be anything. Just like what you like and don't label it. Because labels are the problem.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Labels are 100% the problem. We are.
Cristina: We're stressing about labels.
Jack: We're stressing about labels. This is the exact problem that science has with religion. Right. They have exactly the same arguments, but they label one science, okay. And they label the other religion. But you're still talking about the beginning. You're still talking about space coming to be and the skies coming to be and then life coming to be. You're just what we call it scripture. Well, we call it. It's the science journals, but it's like you both have literal text written by somebody way before you who's telling you what to believe. It's the same idea. You have labels that are making your lives h*** when you're both talking about the same thing.
Cristina: There are people who. Stressing out about these labels. I seen people and read about people who just. They can't. They don't like, they question themselves all the time. They're stressing about these labels of giving themselves the right labels. Like, don't worry about it.
Jack: Yeah, don't worry about it.
Cristina: Just be whoever you are.
Jack: Yeah, be you. Without having to give it a name. Why must you give what you are a name?
Cristina: Because that's just too complicated. Especially if you do feel like you're changing between different, I don't know, genders. Genders. But maybe you're not. You're just being you.
Jack: Maybe you're just being you. Because, look, gender is a construct, but you don't have to subscribe to it. Yes, and it is based on sex, but you don't have to subscribe to it. And there are attributes of being a woman that differentiate from being a man. And those are exclusively tied to the origin story of male and female. They have no other origin. And you cannot debate the beginning and what they are based on and the foundation. But also, you don't have to describe the s***.
Cristina: Let's abandon it.
Jack: Yes, you can abandon. Because the problem is in creating this gender spectrum, all you've done is complicate the fact that gender doesn't need to f****** exist.
Cristina: Yes, we have sexes. Let's keep that.
Jack: Yeah, Just keep the sex and ignore the gender. You do not need gender. Well, I have the male organ and Ima. No, shut the f*** up. You can love whoever you want. Dress however you want, like whatever you want. Do whatever you want. Shut the f*** up about what comes at the end of that sentence. You're just human.
Cristina: You're just human. And if you need surgery, get the surgery.
Jack: Get the surgery.
Cristina: Just. And now you're just person that you are.
Jack: Now you're just male with a v*****.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Who gives a s***? Because we're not labeled. Well. Well, you're a male with a v*****. You're a male with a v*****. Congratulations. Good for you. We're not deciding that you are anything. You're just male with a v*****.
Cristina: Yes. Does that mean everyone could go back to he and she, or are we still keeping all the other stuff? Is that the same thing? That's part of the gender, Right?
Jack: That's part of gender. But I think that one's stupid because we're f****** up language. We are struggling to communicate because that's just more list. It's a whole other list problem. We should go back to just he and she.
Cristina: Whatever you like. If you like being a she and you look like a he, who cares? Yes. Okay, we'll call you.
Jack: He just picked and be clear about it. And you're gonna have to reinforce it consistently until it's reinforced by so many people in so many directions that we're used to just being like, well, if he looks male, it doesn't matter.
Cristina: Let me ask and find out, but just don't. But the problem, though, is the people that feel like they're changing from he to she, then is also.
Jack: No, those people need to stop because that is one. That is an issue. That is an issue. Because you're making it difficult for anybody to communicate with you.
Cristina: Yes. It's too stressful. Yes. For everyone around you.
Jack: No, no, no. Because. No, no. That's the stupid reason. That's a ridiculous reason to say it's too stressful for everybody around you. Because what if it's stressful for you to not be called those things? Where would you decide who.
Cristina: Okay, yes, that's true.
Jack: But you get my point. You can't just be like, well, what do they do? They just need to stop on the account that it's complex. It's not about. We're stressing them out. It's the fact that you've cut out the ability to communicate with you yourself. Yeah, and you're b******* about it.
Cristina: Well, you made the problem, so what do you do?
Jack: Well, you made the problem and then you're whining about the problem existing. There's nothing we. Could you just stop and pick something. It doesn't. I get how it sounds. Oh, it's so f****** ignorant. Pick a thing. But what about the flu? The problem is, if we're trying to talk to you, how do we know where the f*** you stand on any given day? Well, you f******. Today I was a. Well, I didn't f****** know because yesterday you were a he and today you're a she. So unless you're gonna stop me at the beginning of every sentence and tell me, well, today I'm a. Okay, good, then that's up to you. In that case, if you're gonna be switching back and forth, any person you talk to immediately, you better open up with your f******.
Cristina: I think there are people who do that.
Jack: That makes perfect sense.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And for people who interact on social media, great. She, her, him, that, whatever. You do that. But like have a f****** name tag that says it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You know, you want to go into that deep end, Have a f****** name tag. Otherwise, how do we know in order to address you according to whatever you're feeling at this moment? We're not psychic. And you can't punish people and try to cancel people about s*** they don't know based on choices you're f****** making that are changing every couple of minutes. That's unrealistic. You gotta come down to earth and be like, if you're gonna be switching your s***, then you better be addressing everybody so that they know before they say anything.
Cristina: Yeah, don't make it easier for yourself and everyone else, cuz you're gonna stress out if they say the wrong thing. So not. Why not just correct them beforehand?
Jack: Yeah, 100%. It's a problem that's fixable.
Cristina: Mm, mm. Well, but too much list, man.
Jack: It is. We label too much things, it is a f****** problem. That's the same. That's how we ended up with the whole f****** issue of countries. Right? Well, this is this place and this is that place. Wait, but like, that doesn't make sense. This dirt connects everywhere. Yeah, there's no like, real line. You just made one f****** up and labeled both sides of it.
Cristina: Like, how do we make the continents? Where do we draw those lines?
Jack: Yeah, where'd we draw those lines? We just decided this s*** means this S***. And that s*** doesn't. Yeah, okay, but like, we are just talking Earth, right?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And that's the problem here. Well, male, female, him, her, he, she, them, they. I'm a man, I'm a woman, I'm a they, I'm a n, I'm a demon. And it's like, okay, bro, but look, we're still just talking about Earth though, right?
Cristina: I think so.
Jack: It's like, yeah, I guess so. But I want to go by. No, no, no. I don't give a s***. I'm calling you Earth.
Cristina: We're gonna just.
Jack: You're just f****** Earth, bro. What the f*** do you mean? Africa? Australia. No, no, no. Shut the f*** up. Earth.
Cristina: Earth, Earth.
Jack: You're an earthling, bro. Well, I'm a straight. You not f****** out. That's made up all of it. So you're earthling. The fact is, you're an earthling.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: There's nothing else you can decide about that. That's the fact of the matter. You're f****** earthling.
Cristina: Yes. That'll make things less stressful.
Jack: Yeah, it's not about stress. Again, anything is stressful to anyone. We can't make decisions because that's an emotional decision.
Cristina: What?
Jack: Making things about what's stressful. Oh, you continue to state stress, but like, that's the emotional choice that got us where we are. Because it's stressful for me to not be called that. It's like, then f***. Okay, I guess we will cut based on stress levels. Well, I guess we will call you f****** him, she, them, they, it, whatever, you know, like, no, we can't make choices based on emotion.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Alright, that is the problem. F*** your emotion. Objective truth. Regardless of what the f*** you think and feel, what is the objective? Shared information. And then what? The rest of it can go f*** itself.
Cristina: Yes, that sounds.
Jack: And again, this comes right back to my own trans friends and my question still lingers is who the f*** are these other people? Because the trans people I know having these experiences are subscribing to the roles of these genders because they feel that that aligns with them, which means that there's a f****** gender role based on a sex and they agree with it.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So it's the non trans people who have an issue with it because they don't think there's gender because they don't understand it.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They're trying to pretend they do.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because the other problem is, again, we've established labels are an issue.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: The biggest issue, the conglomerate of lgbtq, X, W, X, Y, And Z. Oh.
Cristina: The original labeling thing.
Jack: Because they believe. Well, trans people are part of lgbtq. I'm bi. I'm part of lgbt. We're the same. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't, don't. Don't do that. You're wrong. Very, very wrong. You're not even a little the same. You got no crossing lines other than the fact that you fall under the Alphabet people. That's it. And who decided who falls under the Alphabet people?
Cristina: Why do we put them all in the same group in the first place?
Jack: Yeah, it's weird, because the only people who fall there is anybody who's not, by default, straight. If you're not cis, then you are lgbt. Those are the only two sides.
Cristina: Well, if you look at the upgraded version, if you're Hispanic or you're black, you're also part of the Alphabet. You're now part of that group.
Jack: I don't understand how that works.
Cristina: I don't know. Now it's everyone but who isn't white.
Jack: No, that's ridiculous. And that doesn't make any f****** sense. And I'm 100% sure that was designed by a female supremacist.
Cristina: And. Yes, but that's. That's the thing.
Jack: Yeah, 100% designed by a female supremacist. And regardless of what your sex or gender or belief is, if you're female supremacist, you are no different than the CIS white males you are accusing because you are approaching it like a N***. Yes, my belief is all that matters. And the rest of you can go f*** themselves is the entire belief of a female supremacist.
Cristina: There's a lot of supremacists happening.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Cristina: Because of this labeling problem. Well, maybe not because of that, but.
Jack: One of my main complaints on Earth is that the Me Too movement was important. It mattered. But who f***** it up? Female supremacist. The race issue is f****** important. And there are a lot of issues about race, and there's a lot of. In this country, there's. In the world, but there's a lot in this country. But who f**** it up? Female supremacist. How do they f*** it up? My. I know people from different cultures and races who don't get offended by the same things that female supremacists do about them because they can take a joke. I have black friends. I have Hispanic friends. I myself am racially ambiguous as f***.
Cristina: No. People from around the world.
Jack: Yeah. I literally know people from across the World. My whole thing is people, you know, I know people from across the world.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And they're all okay with things that people say so long as the intention behind what they're saying makes sense. Female supremacists try to control what you're saying, regardless of what you mean by it. Yes, that is a problem.
Cristina: Is that the right word, though?
Jack: What, a female supremacist?
Cristina: Female supremacist, yeah.
Jack: The problem is that it tends to be these very specific. There are quite a lot of people who aren't female who are from different genders and whatever, but it seems to be primarily females. Fat, white females, usually with some kind of colored hair and identifying some confusing gender. And they're not trans. They're not, like, transitioning into anything else. They just don't want to be identified by a certain thing. But they'll still be, like, in a dress and still be dating a guy and be like, well, that's offensive. It's like, wait, but the black guy that was told to think it's funny people, There's a lot of them who are. It's usually online people in reality don't behave this f****** way.
Cristina: These might not be real people. These might be avatar, like, fake, like trolls using the same person.
Jack: No, no, no. It's many, many different people who have the same exact. Yeah, no, you haven't seen these. It started with Dave Chappelle, but it's. The people have made these collages of all these accounts, and they all look alike. They all look alike. And it goes around the Internet, people just like. You know, every time a new one joins the argument of, like, well, Dave Chappelle isn't funny, or Ben Shapiro is a f****** racist or this political issue or that, and it's like, okay, they sound like they belong here. And then you put them aside. Oh, s***. Yeah, they fit. Yeah, same weight.
Cristina: I saw something like that, but it was about hipsters, that they all look alike.
Jack: I mean. Yeah, it's. Again, the problem is that they are unknowingly subscribing to an ideology which is culty.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: They're. They're echoing each other. We love cults. We love cults. Everybody's in a cult.
Cristina: Everyone.
Jack: And they're echoing each other. Oh, same. The same s*** over and over. And like, what is that if not religion?
Cristina: Mm, just you.
Jack: You're saying the same s*** he said, and you said the same s*** they said. Did any of you come up with the f****** thing?
Cristina: Cults, a very popular thing. I mean, they were always popular.
Jack: Cults were always popular.
Cristina: I feel like there's much more of them. Or are they exact same number, you think?
Jack: Nothing has changed other than that we can see it all.
Cristina: Okay. So we wouldn't have known about all of these.
Jack: Yeah. People who complain about there being an in. Cops attacking black people that are unarmed. I am sorry to inform you people, but it is as good as it has ever been. Today it has not gone up. It has steadily gone down. We're just seeing it more because they can not get away with it as actively because everybody has a camera. Yeah, but it was happening way the f*** more. The existence of cameras, in fact, has reduced it so drastically that we see it once or twice a year versus the fact that it was happening every day somewhere. Like somebody getting shot of color everywhere all the time. Now it's gone way the f*** down because we got cameras. And I'm talking even before George Floyd. And before that, it's been steadily going down as we have aimed more cameras at s*** and as we've started to s*** since before we started aiming cameras in general. It's just been going down. As we live in more cities and people are exposed to more people of color and we are sort surrounded by more ethnic groups.
Cristina: Like just things changing.
Jack: Things change for the better. It's been steadily going down the amount of times that this happens, but as more cameras show up, it seems like it's increasing because we're aiming at it.
Cristina: More or we're just re watching the same videos.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: So we're like, oh, look at all these videos. Like, how many of those are repeats?
Jack: It's not even the repeats. Is that there are more situ. We more situations have made it on camera.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Even if the same situation was recorded from a million different angles or if we saw the same video a million times, the fact of the matter is we've recorded more of the situations that were already there. There aren't more situations there. They were always there. Yeah, but now we got cameras on them.
Cristina: Yeah. So it feels like more even if it's less.
Jack: Yes. And the same thing happens with these cults that form before it would happen in privacy. And maybe we hear about it.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: How many cults went under the radar and we don't even know about? And then hundred years later we find out, oh, there's a f****** graveyard right here.
Cristina: Yeah. Because all these people documentary happens. Yeah.
Jack: But it existed and we just didn't hear about it at the time. And we look back, oh, how crazy. How many of those haven't been discovered? Yet.
Cristina: And the ones that are around us now, they're not all like the ones that we see documented that.
Jack: Oh, they're all creepy because we're thinking religious apocalypse, cults.
Cristina: Yeah, that's what people think of when they hear here's cults.
Jack: Yes, but everything is a cult.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: If you are PlayStation vs Xbox, you subscribe to the idea that there are console wars. Yes, you're in a cult. You're in a cult and you're gonna support your team no matter what the f***. It is blindingly ridiculous to assume that Xbox is in any way better than PlayStation, but people believe it. But you can prove that statement wrong with specs, you can prove that statement wrong with exclusives, you can prove that statement wrong with audience size. But it doesn't matter how the objective truth looks. There is still the master race of PC people who can't run any game.
Cristina: Who think they're the.
Jack: Who think they're the best simply because they got the thing. But like, what was. You couldn't even run Arkham the day it came out. You have to wait like a year.
Cristina: You couldn't run GT so many games now that they can't run.
Jack: Yeah, there's mad s***. PC just can't run. Same thing with Xbox. But both sides still believe in the. Their team.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because it's not about the objective truth, it's about the team, your cult, your group, people with the same opinion politics. That's happening with everything. There's nothing that's not happening.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: IPhone versus Android. IPhone was the best. It was the best. It was objectively better for many, many years. IPhone.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: While Steve Jobs was alive. And the moment we no longer had Steve Jobs, the decline began so instantaneously. It took like a year and a half before it was garbage.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And now Android is better. But the cult states Android was always better or Apple was always better. And that is incorrect. They swapped positions.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Going back to the console wars, at this moment, the brand new Xbox is superior to the PlayStation because it has the game pass and it has people who are willing to play that. And it's giving you so many games.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: PlayStation has three f****** games worth it.
Cristina: And then broken controller.
Jack: And a broken controller. So team PlayStation is gonna be. No, it's still better. It's not. Xbox is currently better. Previous generation, there's no competition. PlayStation was objectively the better, superior, Unquestionably s******* on everything around it. But right now, Xbox is the one doing that, minus the fact that it still can't run a lot of games a PlayStation can. But also the fact that it even has the same game that's on PlayStation and a million other games that aren't. Is making the new Xbox the better option?
Cristina: Yeah. Things are always changing like that.
Jack: It's always changing. The cult decides. It has always been this way, and it will always be this way.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: The same thing happens with Christianity, for example. The same thing happens with political teams.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: I'm a Democrat. This is always right. No, it's not. Sometimes you do dumb s***. Right now Biden's breaking s***.
Cristina: He. He's a broken old man.
Jack: The f***? Did we get rid of the Taliban so immensely? We were just not hearing about them. They were in caves, hoping that we don't starve to death. Then Biden comes along, and it's like, we gave them a country. Now you guys have a terrorist country.
Cristina: Enjoy, enjoy, enjoy.
Jack: Terrorist country. Now Obama, Amazing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Biden, not so much. So both Democrats.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But at one point it was good, and now it f****** sucks. So Trump versus Obama. Well, arguable. Depends on what you're looking for. But Obama versus Bush. Obama 100%. Which means Trump versus Bush. Trump for sure. But Biden versus Obama. Obama and I would even argue Bush over Biden.
Cristina: So Obama over. I mean, you said Biden over.
Jack: I said Obama over Biden.
Cristina: Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay.
Jack: Trump and Obama are equal, but different.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Obama over Bush. Trump over Bush. Obama over Biden. Bush over Biden.
Cristina: Okay. Biden is over no one.
Jack: Biden is over nobody. Biden might be the worst thing that's happened to the presidency in quite some time.
Cristina: That's why he's gotta prove himself on top of the White House. Oh, no. But is he gonna lose that? Do we ever say that? Who wins that? No. We're gonna change the history so it doesn't even matter.
Jack: Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna change all that. But the point here being that there is a definite problem with team choosing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Choosing sides and sticking to the sides. And these people on the Internet who echo each other, who mirror each other, who look like each other, who behave like each other.
Cristina: That is so just a cult. Yeah.
Jack: An ideological cult. And they're trying to force that s*** on everybody else because the. The error of the Internet makes everybody convinced that because they have a voice. Your voice matters. Yeah, and it doesn't. Your voice doesn't matter. You can scream as loud as you want, and you're gonna scream at us pretty loud for even having this conversation. But I got a simple and easy bit of advice. That might help you resolve your need to scream at us for saying that your opinions doesn't matter. What, to go f*** themselves. They should probably go f*** themselves.
Cristina: What if they can't?
Jack: Too bad. Too bad. Because the same way you have beliefs, I have beliefs.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: And the fact that I have ideas and you have ideas immediately goes to say that there are two thinking beings.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And the fact that your ideas and my ideas aren't the same goes to immediately prove that there's more than one perspective.
Cristina: What?
Jack: And in there being more than one perspective, neither necessarily based purely on scientific fact.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Just bringing it down to opinion. Your opinion is no more valuable than anybody else's opinion.
Cristina: Exactly. But because of these groups, they really believe.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Yes. My opinion is most important.
Jack: Yes. Because we have echo chambers in which people are just repeating the same s***. And I must be right.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It's like. No. You surround yourself with people who already agree with you, and you will shut down anybody who doesn't, rather than listening to them and trying to comprehend their position. I get your stance. You'll never get mine. That makes me superior to you because I have my information. And I have your information, but you only have your information.
Cristina: Ooh.
Jack: I'm twice as smart as you are.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: That's always going to be the case if you shut down everybody's opposing argument.
Cristina: That's why you got to listen to a show with the opposite point of view. That's what you said at the beginning.
Jack: Yeah. You got to make sure to eat all of. All the information. Everything. Everything that is out there. What do I say? I say all information is information.
Cristina: Mm. There's objective truth. You can't disagree with that.
Jack: Yeah. There's nothing you could do to fight that. All information is information.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The end.
Cristina: The end, period.
Jack: That was it.
Cristina: So are you with us about that? I want to see what you say about that. Huh? What could you possibly say about that?
Jack: Yeah. There's no argument to that. All information is information, regardless of how you might feel about it.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And going back to the gender problem, the. The trans issue, like, if you're not trans, you don't get to say, man, I don't give a f***. I don't get. I don't give a f*** what you think. You have a right to voice if you're not living the experience. Shut the f*** up about it, man.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like a joke gets told, you think it's racist. It was about black people, and the black guy in the room is like, nah, it was funny. You don't get to be offended for him. Shut the f*** up and keep that s*** to yourself.
Cristina: Calling something racist is weird. Feels like if Dave Chappelle makes a joke about black people, is that racist?
Jack: That's crazy, right? Because he's black?
Cristina: Yeah. Like, is it? Or is it just a joke? Like, how do you.
Jack: It's just a joke because he's black, but if he's not black, it's suddenly racist. But it doesn't make sense because it was the same basis and the same premise.
Cristina: Yeah, how? I don't know.
Jack: I don't know, man. You can't get offended for somebody else. You got to let a person decide. And there's nothing more racist than a person being like, I'm cool with it. And you'd be like, shut the f*** up. You're offended. It's like, so f*** the oppressed person's opinion. What you, the white person, decided is wrong is not what's wrong. This is just where we're at. You're like, no, he's racist, so I'm gonna shut that black person up. You shut the f*** up, black person. Because you're offended and you're not portraying offense right now. So you shut the f*** up and I'm gonna be offended for you. And it's like, how are you not the racist right now?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: It feels to me like you're suppressing somebody else's experience. It's like that to generalize them and say that you should all be as offended by that thing.
Cristina: He said, like, Biden being like, you got. If you're black, you gotta vote for me or whatever.
Jack: Yeah, that was racist.
Cristina: That was pretty racist.
Jack: That was racist.
Cristina: Or the whole, if you're not rich, then. Or if you're not poor, then you're white or something. I don't remember. But it's. It's a lot of racism there.
Jack: No, it was. Everybody has equal opportunities. Poor kids, white kids.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Yeah. Biden's racist as f***.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Yeah. But, you know, they don't like to talk about that. They want to say Trump is racist.
Cristina: That's so crazy.
Jack: Trump is ignorant. There's a difference. He'd be like, look at my black guy over there. And it's like, shut the f*** up, bro. I get where you're coming from, but, you know, less loud. Yeah, but he's not like, look at my N word.
Cristina: You think Biden won't say that?
Jack: He literally is on video saying that.
Cristina: Never mind.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can just find it on YouTube. But it's this real f****** thing. It's a real f****** thing. And it's like, well, we. He's on our team, so we have to support him.
Cristina: He's on our team. We just pretend we don't hear that.
Jack: Bite is not on our team. So even if we. We get that, he's not being racist about it. Well, he said, look at my black guy. Obviously, he doesn't mean like, look at my slave black guy. He's like, look at my. He's ignorant. He's trying to be like, look at my brother. But he can't say brother. He felt that was being racist. So he's like, look at my black guy. We can call them black people. That's right. The con. The thought process in his mind made sense. Even if it's ignorant. It made sense for an ignorant person. He's not trying to be racist. He's not like, I'm better than that black guy. He's like, hey, look at my brother. But you didn't want to say brother because, you know, I'm not black, but look at my black guy. And I get the connotations of. That sounds like, look at my sleeve. But you know, he doesn't mean that. You're just saying that because you need to demonize him.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And that's ridiculous.
Cristina: Like, you're trying to do the opposite with Biden.
Jack: With Biden? Yeah. You're gonna find the. Well, you know, he was just reading it off of a paper, but he wrote.
Cristina: Who's writing paper? Yeah, the. Do you mean he approved it?
Jack: Yeah. He was like, hey, it's good.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: It's like, come on, dude.
Cristina: Who are you lying?
Jack: You can't just aim. And it's all this culty team.
Cristina: And I don't.
Jack: I. I will be completely honest. I get kind of annoying. Like, I don't usually get involved in this s*** and I don't care. Dude, whatever. Have your opinions and be racist and be transphobic or f****** be female supremacist and feel you have an opinion for whatever. Nobody has to listen to you.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The same way you can say whatever f*** you want. People can just ignore what the f*** you're saying. It's great, Whatever. But, like, it annoys me, specifically the female supremacists. I don't care about many of the other things, but it's because the level of hypocrisy comes from trying to silence somebody's personal experience and claim that you understand their experience better than they do. That annoys the s*** out of Me, because they're already a person in the minority who's struggling to make their own statement. And you, who's claiming to defend them, is pushing their own statement down, thus being the bigger problem. That s*** annoys me the same way I get annoyed. Like watching the movie radio where somebody's just taking advantage of a person who has no control over the situation.
Cristina: Yeah. And like I said, exactly what's happening.
Jack: Yeah, I can't watch that movie because I wish I remember when I was a little kid, bro, I wanted to f****** kill everybody in that movie I've never hated. And he's just a person trying to live life, bro. And you pieces of are all just garbage. I hope all your children get murdered in front of your eyes so that you can just.
Cristina: Characters.
Jack: Yeah, them characters. I hate all of them. But the problem is that these female supremacists are doing the same. And I'm not saying females are the problem. I believe in feminism. I believe that females should be treated equally. I don't believe they are. And I don't believe that the propositions that we have, like, I believe there is definitely a difference between female and male. Biologically, physiologically, psychologically.
Cristina: Psychologically, yeah.
Jack: Now do I believe in feminism that they should be treated equal? Yes, because that's how we remove the differences. With enough generations of treating women and men equally, these traits and things that were exclusively men or exclusively women get passed on.
Cristina: And then we can stop labeling them. That would also help.
Jack: Then we could stop labeling them. Yeah, because at the end of the day, for example, hard manual labor gets passed down from father to son, from father to son, from father to son. One daughter comes in and then she has a son that she passes it to and it's back to father and son. Father, son, father and son. That's why we don't have a dominant amount of women who are great at construction. There are women who are. But it's rare if all women were treated equal, even while their performance will not be at the start, over enough generations, the equality is re established because they got to pass the information down to their daughters the same way other fathers got to do to their sons. And that there's an equality distributed it. Yes, same thing with pay. Yes, it sucks to pay a woman who's going to underperform. And yes, she's going to underperform at a job that's predominantly been male. But we made the problem and not letting them do the job and not being able to pass the knowledge that gets in grades of DNA and that they pass natural talents on to their daughters to get to, then improve on it. If we just pay them equally, even during the underperforming beginning, they'll eventually overpassing the knowledge through generations being no different than the males doing the same f****** jobs. It is differences that we have made as men that we can fix by sucking it up, admitting we did it, and just dealing with they will underperform.
Cristina: And never will do that.
Jack: And men are going to underperform at female jobs the same way. They will. There are certain things that we just don't do as good as women, and it is objectively true. We can test it. We know that males are great spatially. They have great spatial awareness, and females have great interpersonal cognition. We understand these things and this scientific fact, but we can work that out of the system and make everybody equal.
Cristina: Mm. But it takes time.
Jack: It takes time, and we have to just deal with the. The unbalanced output by giving them equal compensation until they rise up to the compensation. And it will happen with enough time. I do 100% hate the female supremacist. Not females. I am a feminist. I do not like these people who are predominantly female. Not to say it is all women. Again, I am feminist. But I do have a very, very, very big issue with somebody suppressing somebody else's experience and saying they get to speak for them. You do not get to speak for somebody trans unless you are trans. You do not get to speak for somebody of color unless you are of color. You do not get to speak for whether the police are right or wrong unless you are a family of police or somebody who's being abused by the cops. Just shut the up about something you're not experiencing. That s*** annoys me because you're no different than somebody abusing your position because you're still abusing your whiteness. You're still abusing the titles that you just happen to have part of the lgbt. Well, no, you don't get to speak for everybody in lgbt. Shut the the f*** up about your bullshit because you do not matter as much as you think you do. In fact, you're the least oppressed person. So shut the f*** up and let the people who are dealing with the problems say how they feel and propose the solutions that might help them feel less bad about their circumstance. You don't get to just come in and do that. That s*** annoys the f*** out of me.
Cristina: We shouldn't have lgbt, then.
Jack: We shouldn't have lgbt. The problem is the Alphabet people have f***** it up. Up. Specifically the female supremacists who take claim for everything inside lgbt.
Cristina: Yes, I guess so. Yeah, that wouldn't help.
Jack: The vast majority of my friends are female. The vast majority of the people in my family are female. I am surrounded by female. I respect females.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I have absolutely no problem females. I have a problem with these stupid b****** who feel that they got a f****** opinion. And, yeah, I said that s***. Oh, get offended. I want your hate so that I can ignore it, because I'm not gonna even know you're f****** doing it.
Cristina: It would be weird if that's the thing that they're like, I'm offended. I heard everything else you said, and it's all fine. But that.
Jack: The stupid b****** part, that. That set me off. That set me off.
Cristina: I mean, look, if that's it, please comment.
Jack: Yeah, that's it. Please, like, comment a dog.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: Yeah, comment. A little Chihuahua or something. Just a dog emoji.
Cristina: Yeah, I don't think it's a specific.
Jack: Just put the emoji of a woman and the emoji of a dog.
Cristina: All right. You both know that that was where you drew the line.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you could be a stupid b**** and be a guy.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But, like, no, I'm specifically referring to these, like, female supremacists who feel they get the right to speak for everybody at all times. And, like, you f****** don't. I don't give a f*** how offended you get that I'm saying this like, you do not matter by any means, because you are the racist. You supr. I am a person of f****** color, bro. I'm dark as s*** with dreads right now. To feel that you get to say, this is offensive. And I'm over here like, it's f****** not. And you're like, no, no, no, it's offensive. And I'm like, shut the f*** up. It's not. No, no, no. It's just not. Shut the f*** up. It's just not. And you don't get to tell me it is, and it'll never be just because you felt it was okay. That's ridiculous. And to say you understand the trans experience. No, bro. One, that's such a unique experience. Two, they are suffering in a way that we couldn't even comprehend. You know what it is to fear telling anybody who you are ever, and then finally doing it and risking just having the s*** beat out of you, maybe even killed, just by being like, hey, this is what I am. Hey. Your life could have ended immediately after that sentence. You do not know what the f*** that is as some spoiled f****** white chick. Get the f*** out of here.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: That's ridiculous.
Cristina: You're dealing with that a lot, aren't you?
Jack: I deal with that a lot. I deal with that so f****** often.
Cristina: Okay, it sounds like. It sounds like you're talking to these women.
Jack: Yeah, I do. I do.
Cristina: Bothering you?
Jack: It's annoying. It's annoying. I do say off the wall s***, and it attracts this kind of attention, and then they want to f****** voice their opinions. It's like, I get that I sound like I'm a white guy behind this microphone. I understand it. But now you're being racist in that thought. Well, he sounds white. No, I sound educated because the way I sound isn't associated to f****** race, you f****** racist.
Cristina: Yes. F***.
Jack: Anyways, we are out of time. Cancel us if you want, or go yourself. I don't care. I annoyed myself in the course of this. Yes, I might cancel this f****** show.
Cristina: No.
Jack: God d*** it. But if you guys want to hear conversations of this nature, you're probably gonna have to defer to episodes with Anthony in it because we.
Cristina: Yeah, she helps us.
Jack: We have LGBT conversations. A person of color with an LGBT member having actual conversations about things that these f****** N*** women have no place talking about. Two people who do have a place to talk about it are having these conversations. So you could find those. I believe that's three point, like, nine or so. I don't know. Just look for Anthony from Miz the Miz. The Miz from Miz podcast.
Cristina: And we also probably talk about politics in other episodes.
Jack: Yes, there are many episodes with politics breaking down. How politics work in this country, how it's distributed, how we've constructed it, and social political structures as well.
Cristina: The labeling problem continues.
Jack: Yeah, we talked about the labeling problem a couple of times. So you can find all that stuff on the official website. Greatthoughts.info on Apple, podcasts, on Spotify, and anywhere you get your podcast.
Cristina: And you can reach us on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok @JustConvopod.
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Cristina: Need to know the specific point. You were offended. It's very important.
Jack: If it was at any given moment, you let us know. Unless it was specifically at saying you, you racist b******, then there you could choose to put the emoji of a woman and a female dog to let us know that you're furious that I called you a b****.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And for whatever reason, that's the part that set you off, which is a weird point, but whatever. Like, be you, do you. It is what it is.
Cristina: And let someone who might like this show know about it.
Jack: Yes. If you also deal with a bunch of female N*** crazy people talking over everybody else's personal life experience and deciding that that's the case. Hey, maybe share this with them and let them know that I am just as angry as they are.
Cristina: Yes. And this has been the Just Conversation podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: By okay, so it doesn't seem that they have any exact purpose, but it kind of does at the same time. So Gabriel is essentially the angel of, like, peace and love.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Then Michael is the angel of War.
Cristina: We know those two at least.
Jack: Yes. And Raphael just stands by God. What does that mean?
Cristina: I don't know. And Lucifer's light. Rare.
Jack: That's a weird one. So Lucifer is the angel of light, not dark. That was applied later by people who haven't, like, read anything.
Cristina: Or maybe he was called Dark after he fell, but then I don't know how that works.
Jack: No, that doesn't work. So there is some sort of loose connection between Michael and Ares, for example.
Cristina: Ares is the war guy.
Jack: Yeah, he's a God of war. And there does seem to be some kind of loose connection between that, but we can't.
Cristina: I don't know what the other ones are. Good morning. Good morning.
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