Rambling 294: Surviving the Apocalypse

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In a world filled with uncertainty, the idea of an apocalypse is both fascinating and terrifying. In our latest podcast episode, we, your hosts Jack and Cristina, delve into the absurdity of apocalyptic scenarios and offer practical survival strategies that anyone can adopt. From the looming threat of nuclear war to the more whimsical idea of a zombie apocalypse, we explore various potential end-of-the-world scenarios. The conversation kicks off with a light-hearted discussion about how often apocalyptic predictions are made, and how they can sometimes feel like a recurring theme in our lives. We then dive into the serious implications of global conflicts and the potential for World War III, highlighting the current geopolitical tensions between superpowers. With countries like Russia, China, and North Korea on the brink, we discuss the reality of preparing for such events and the importance of being informed. But what would you actually do in the event of an apocalypse? Our discussion takes a practical turn as we outline essential survival strategies. We emphasize the need to leave major cities, where chaos is likely to erupt first. Instead, we suggest heading to rural areas where resources might be more accessible, and the likelihood of encountering other survivors is lower. Jack and Cristina also talk about the importance of learning basic survival skills before disaster strikes. From purifying water to setting animal traps, we encourage listeners to equip themselves with knowledge that can make all the difference in a survival situation. Libraries become a crucial resource in our plan, as they hold valuable information on local flora and fauna, which can aid in food sourcing. The podcast also touches on the practicality of using bicycles for transportation during an apocalypse. Unlike cars, which can be noisy and easily tracked, bikes offer a stealthy and efficient means of travel. Our hosts humorously question why bicycles are seldom seen in popular zombie apocalypse narratives, despite their clear advantages. As the conversation unfolds, we delve into the psychological aspects of survival, discussing how trust and community can play pivotal roles in navigating a post-apocalyptic world. We recognize the importance of building relationships and finding like-minded individuals who can contribute to a shared survival effort. Ultimately, this episode serves as both a thought-provoking exploration of potential apocalyptic scenarios and a practical guide to preparing for the unexpected. Whether you're a survival enthusiast or simply curious about the end of the world, there's something for everyone in our engaging discussion. Join us for this enlightening episode and equip yourself with the knowledge to navigate whatever the future may hold. Tune in now, and let's prepare for the apocalypse together!

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  • World War 3
  • Zombie Apocalypse
  • Tyrannical Government
  • Purifying Water
  • Hiding vs Running
  • Bicycles

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Rambling 294: Surviving the Apocalypse Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling podcast. I am your host, Jack. Cristina: And I am your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is a show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And today we have some something quite interesting to dive into. So the apocalypse is upon us. Cristina: It was always. Every year. Every year there's an apocalypse. Jack: Yeah, I'm sure we've done a couple of apocalypse based episodes too. Like possible apocalypses based on statistical probability. I remember we did the death clock thing. Cristina: Yeah. And just wild, like random people online with their ideas of the apocalypses because of like the Bible told them or whatever. Jack: Yes, yes, yes. And there's a bunch of apocalypses. So today I want to talk about the apocalypse. I want us to discuss the coming apocalypse, which is the most likely, which I know we've done before. And then what we're gonna do in that moment. You know what, in the moment of the apocalypse. Cristina: Oh, what are we gonna do in the apocalypse? Okay, yeah, but there's something else. Jack: No, I don't know then. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: But yeah, and so there's like a global conflict taking place. Like a World War III is kind of starting between a bunch of countries that are all nuclear strapped. So like the nuke apocalypse seems real and possible. Cristina: No, no, I hope not. No. Yeah, but like we all got zombies, zombie nukes. That's awful. Actually both are awful. Jack: It. Well, it depends on the zombies. I think zombies are manageable to a certain degree. Like the majority of people are idiots and probably going down, but it's survivable with thought and a lack of panic, I think. Well, slow zombies. If it's like 28 days later or some. Cristina: The problem we're doing. Jack: Yeah, problem, you kill yourself. But yeah. So the war conflict, what's that look like? We have China. We have China and Russia hovering over Alaska right now. We have Russia teaming up with North Korea. We have. Cristina: Yeah. North Korea sent troops to Russia. Jack: To Russia to help with Ukraine. Well, and we have the. We have Russia and IRA teaming up with Iran to fight off the attacks from Israel. Israel's currently just N*** Germany it all up and just deciding we are the elite only race that matters. Let's extinguish everything else out here. Cristina: And what are we doing? Jack: We're funding Ukraine, which is against Russia and Israel, which is against Iran, which is teamed up with Russia. So we're just inherently on the opposite side of Russia. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We're not Even the main team here. No, we're finally just some side noise. Kind of like in World War II, where we're just some side noises. Showed up all late. Cristina: Hey, it ended. Jack: Because allegedly, American education says that America ended World War II. Cristina: Of course. Jack: Of course. Showed up last minute, and that's when we did it. Yep. It wasn't the amount of. It's like everybody else shows up and beats the crap out of the bad guy and. And then Goku shows up and saves the day. And it's like, come on, he fought everybody else, bro. Even if they were weak, each one of them picked that as hp. Just a little. Just a little. Cristina: A couple of hits here. Jack: A couple. You get here. He's like a 30% HP. You're showing up fully stamina up and fully HP'd up. About to fight a guy with half stamina and 30% HP who took a h*** of never. Cristina: How it goes. That guy was never using his full potential or whatever, his full strength. He was fighting at like 10 until Goku showed up. And then when he shows up, he's like, okay, I'm gonna go to 50 until Goku shows him. Oh, no. And then he goes up to 100, I guess, eventually. Jack: And then go. But that's. That doesn't. I mean, I guess it does happen a lot, but it's never that they're holding back intentionally. It's. In the case of Cell, he was trying to find his perfect form. He was trying to get there. His quest was that. Cristina: That's cool. Jack: In the case of Frieza, she. Cristina: He. Jack: He. Cristina: I think it's a he. Jack: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a he as well. He just didn't have a reason to power up. You know, 00:05:00 Jack: the apes, the Saiyans who become apes would power up at random. There was no pattern to it. It's just like, let's power up and destroy some. Oh, you know. Yeah. They would just do it to ease their job of taking over a planet or something. You know, easy stuff. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But there were a couple of, like. I think also Boo was merely chance who he absorbed affected his power. Okay, so he wasn't like, picking a form. He didn't know what he would turn into. Cristina: Yeah, but then who is this? What is World War II? Jack: Like, World War II? Well, it's definitely. I don't know. It ain't any of them. Because that's just a pattern of repetition when it comes to Dragon Ball Z is a pattern of. Everybody else fought them, then you show up and they were powering up the whole time while N*** Germany doesn't work that way. It was kind of always overpowered. And everybody else kind of whittled their numbers down and down and down and down. And then the United States showed up, and they're like, oh, we got some, like, help last second, but it wasn't, like, a lot of help. Everybody else did the legwork. Cristina: Yes. Jack: But. Cristina: Oh, that's more like Satan popping up after Goku did it. Oh, I guess. Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's Hercule. It's Hercule showing up to take the. The credit. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It's the United States job. What's not. Nobody there, like, you us take the credit. They do that for Hercule. They're like, take the credit so we can live in peace. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: In the case of the United States, you're like, we're taking the credit. Cristina: No one's gonna say anything. Jack: Nobody's gonna nuke all. Cristina: Anyone's tired. They just fought. They're all exhausted. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: They're like, we can't fight the US on this. We have no people left. And they are prominent right now because the bad guy's dead. They showed up, and we know they're the global terrorists. So here they are saying they're gonna take the credit for stopping us, and we just can't stop them. Just rewriting history. That's how we do. Cristina: That's cool. Jack: But, yeah, it's looking pretty intense. We got Russia, we got Iran, we got Israel. Israel, on the other hand, is attacking. Not just Iran, but they're attacking Lebanon, they're attacking Palestine. So that's three involved. Then. Russia is three. Because it's Russia, Iran, and North Korea. And we have China. And China in the. Yes. Four on the side of Russia. And we have. Then the United States backing Israel and. And Ukraine being backed by the United States and Canada backing Ukraine. So that's four there. Cristina: How many in total? Jack: Eight so far. Cristina: There's not more than that. Jack: So let's count. There's Russia. Cristina: Yes. Jack: There is Iran. There is North Korea, there is Lebanon and Palestine and Israel and the United States and Canada and Ukraine and China. So we're at 10. Cristina: 10. That's. That's love. Jack: 10. Cristina: That's not the world yet, though. Jack: No. But the problem here is it's close to a world war because China's a superpower, Russia is a superpower. The United States is a superpower. Israel is a superpower. Canada is a superpower. There's a lot of op powers at. Cristina: Play here, and you just need a Bunch of super superpowered people. Jack: Yeah, you need a bunch of numbers and a bunch of superpowered people. But at the moment this seems like the most likely. On the flip side, Elon Musk is out here making robot apocalypse come true. Cristina: You think he's gonna be faster? Jack: I don't know. Elon Musk is moving pretty quickly. He's looking to get off the plan. So he could definitely flick a switch on all the robots that he puts in control down here and then they'll start ruling over the world and he'll have Earth to his taking while he's not there. Cristina: That's a wild plan. Jack: Horizon. And he left knowing what would happen. Cristina: So he's just ripping off Horizon. Jack: Yeah, essentially he's going to Mars where he's going to control all the robots and robots can't get to him. Except eventually they might. Cristina: The ones here. Jack: Yeah, they'll eventually start replicating and make their own shuttles and take off after any kind of life. Hence the birth of the Borg. Cristina: That's still. That's Horizon too. And then he has to come back here because he knows how to reset them or like end it forever. Jack: Yeah. That's interesting that the Borg. Do we know the origin of the Borg? Because it kind of feels like this. Although I think we do know the origin of the Borg. I just forgot. Cristina: Don't remember. I don't remember the origin. Jack: But the Borg from Star Trek. For anybody listening, it's a race of robot people that weirdly they're all cyborgs and they take over flesh meat sex. Yeah, very interesting. 00:10:00 Jack: Which in no man's sky, the Borg is the Krovex because they are also all connected and share a single mind and hive mind, likeness and consciousness. Cristina: The robots, I thought the. Jack: Not. Cristina: Well, yes, I guess. But the little Sentinels. Is that what they're called? Jack: Yeah, they're also connected, but not to the Corvex. Cristina: Okay. But to each other. Yeah. So they're. Jack: They're all. Cristina: I guess. Jack: Yeah, sort of. Except they feel mechanical. Cristina: They feel mechanical. Jack: They seem mechanical. Like there's no conscious mind there, I guess. Like they are purely machine. While the Krovex do have a sense of identity. That's a sense of identity and they have a sense of unity altogether. Cristina: So I guess it is different. Yeah. The other guys are more like animals, I guess. Jack: Yes. But I do think. I mean everything goes wrong eventually. The Internet was supposed to be this sort of freeing, awesome information center and it become this corrupted, sort of twisted troll filled propaganda machine filled with misinformation. Yeah. Filled with misinformation and ads everywhere. Misinformation ads and p***. Cristina: Yes. And usually you can find three in one. Jack: Yeah. A lot of the time you could find misinforming p***. That is propaganda, like, 100%. I'm sure that's a thing that has to. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Telling you who to vote for. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. Jack: Maybe. I'm sure there's, like, sexy Kamala p***. She's like, vote for me. And with, like, fake news attached to it as she's telling you. You know why? Why you should vote for her. Cristina: Yeah. That's probably a thing. Jack: So there is. I don't know. Cristina: You think online's gonna do it? I don't think. Jack: No. I just think that that's proof of technology being whack. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: Oh. Not just technology. Anything that we create eventually gets corrupted somehow. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And if we're gonna have a bunch of robots serving people and robot cars bussing everybody and taxiing people all the time in your house is connected. What happens if a single virus gets in and it goes rogue? And it. They are. They're all connected. And they connect even more after they have a mind of their own. Cristina: And then you're connected to them because of the nanoshev. Jack: You're connect. Cristina: Oh, my God. Jack: Yes. Neural link. That's actually crazy. That's a totally possible apocalypse right there. Neural link is any Is. You know, enough people get it because it's convenient and you're bypassing the need to even own a computer. You could just, you know, put your hands in the air and a keyboard shows up and you see things people don't on your personal screen. But you can also screen. You can also screen share if you have one and I have one. I can be like, oh, you ready? Sync up. Boom. Now we're both seeing the same screen theaters would be mind blowing. You go to a movie theater, everybody syncs up. Nobody can inter. Like, if somebody walks in front of you, you can still see the movie. Yeah, because it's in front of them. Cristina: I can block people. Jack: You can block people? If somebody is too loud, you could probably cancel. Oh, my God. It's crazy. You can block people and erase their face just like static. The happening, Right? Cristina: Everything's happened in black mirror. It's just a show about tech apocalypse. Jack: Yeah, well, not necessarily tech apocalypse, but crap going wrong with tech one way or another. Cristina: Mm. And. Jack: Yeah, no, you could definitely. Like, that'd be a cool way to block somebody. But we. I mean, it'd be Normal at that point, I guess if you're raised with people just being able to block each other. Cristina: If you're raised in that, that's fine. Yeah. But, like, if we just ended up tomorrow doing that. That's insane. Jack: Yeah. It's f****** weird. Have a neural link and it affects what you see and what you hear. And I can just press a button or not even go into the menu and hit a thing and suddenly your face gets blurred out and your voice gets muffled forever until I decide to unblock you. Cristina: That's too much. I don't. I mean, that's great, I guess, if you really hate people like that. I don't know. Like, who'd actually want to do that? Jack: But interesting. You. And fair enough. Maybe you can make yourself private to people with neuralink. Cristina: So how do they avoid hitting you? Or, like, walking. Jack: You're not invisible. Cristina: Okay. But they can't see your face. Jack: They just can't see your face or. Cristina: Hear your voice because it's all fake. Jack: Yeah, it's like, you know, like it's censored bubbles. Cristina: No. 00:15:00 Cristina: Oh, my gosh. That's weird because then everyone's just gonna be their characters or whatever. It's gonna be like, yes, AI meets. Jack: You mean ar? Cristina: AR means AI. No. Yeah, I guess. AI. Jack: No, no. Ar. What are you looking for? Cristina: Like the online gaming where you're just characters. MMOs, MLS and things like that. Yes. Jack: Oh, virtual reality. Cristina: Virtual reality. Jack: VR. Cristina: VR. There you go. AR meets VR. Jack: Yeah, it's kind of be like that, walking around. Cristina: Never know what anyone actually looks or sounds like. Look, if they don't want us at. Jack: That point, if the technology is good enough, looks cease to matter because it's how a person is on the inside. You can make anybody look like anybody you want, which would also be normal. Cristina: Yes, you could. Jack: I could leave it so that everybody looks like a human version of them. Like they do. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then change how the world looks. But I can also decide I want to change how the world looks and. Cristina: Everybody in it so everyone's reality will look completely different from everyone's reality. Jack: That's probably already the thing. Cristina: Yes, but, like, this is like, a very dramatic version of that. Jack: Well, how do you know what anybody else sees? Cristina: I'm guessing it's not that crazy different. Jack: Yeah. Especially if we can all sync up to use it equally. That's a weird part about perception, but. Okay, so Elon Musk could then flick a switch and nobody can hear each other, nobody can see each other. All the houses that are connected to the Internet's power gets cut off. Or he doesn't have to do any of that. Maybe he leaves. It goes rogue. He anticipated it could happen. And the robots start to shut off the power on us, to consume the power entirely themselves. They start to control our flow. We can't beat them. This ain't a freaking movie where we're just taking on robots. You get hit full force by a car, you just die. Cristina: One of his trucks. Jack: Yeah. A sentient robot is just going to f****** kill you. It's going to overpower you easily and it's going to kill most people going to flee. It is really his horizon. If anything goes rogue. What are we doing? Unless we. Yeah, unless we could stop it digitally send a virus or something. What the f*** could we do? Cristina: I guess we have to depend on hackers. Jack: Yeah, hackers would be. I mean isn't that what's happening in the Matrix? Hackers are the future. Cristina: They're hackers, aren't they? Jack: Hacking? Isn't that literally the point with the numbers flying over the screen and them looking at it and understanding what you're looking at? Cristina: I'm gonna rewatch that. I don't know, I guess it makes sense, but I don't understand how it would be hacking. Jack: You would have to hack their codes. What do you mean? What they're doing, what they're doing in a matrix. Yeah, well everybody is. They're hacking. The matrix is the Internet and they're connecting themselves to the Internet. Cristina: But when they get out of that, they're still in the Internet, are they not? Jack: They don't know that. Cristina: Oh, they don't know that. Oh, okay. Jack: They think they've disconnected into reality. Cristina: Oh, okay, okay. Jack: The what it's alluding to when you consider the two pill scenario is that they are still in the system. But they don't know that. Cristina: Okay, as far as they know, they knew. Jack: As far as they know, they're in base reality. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And they are hacking the virtual reality and connecting each other to it. Cristina: Okay. Yeah, I don't know, it seems weird. Okay. Jack: So okay, we need to think of the most general apocalypse scenario where we don't know what's happening. Let's the road it but early days, not tail end like the story. Okay, so the apocalypse happens and we hear on the news people are dying in mass. We don't know why. It could be a bomb, it could be a virus, it could be an invasion, whatever the case might be. People are dying en masse. Cristina: Do you even like get out of the house if you hear that. I don't know. Jack: Well, we have to move if we know it's coming our way. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Major cities. Exit major cities if it's nukes, exit major cities if it's zombies, exit major cities if it's an invasion. Okay, you're leaving major cities anyways. That's why a general apocalypse is easy to handle. Get out. Cristina: Okay, but in this situation, they're not telling us what it is we. Jack: Yeah, but we're supposed to make up a solution for all. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The most general solution. So we don't know what's going on. We do know. But like, what will apply in every case? Yeah, definitely have to leave major cities. That's important. Robots are coming. Robots are coming forward than most people are. That would be major cities. Cristina: Well, if anyone's coming, I guess you. Jack: Also want to strap down with guns and go to where there's a good line of sight. So, okay, day one happens. News radio 00:20:00 Jack: is going off. The. Whatever is coming. The apocalypse has begun. Either a bomb fell. I'm thinking. Look, most cases we know that all the major tech companies are in the west. That's where the problem would begin. When it comes to robotics, easiest points of access for a nuclear attack are from that direction. It would be from the west. From the. An invasion type of situation would also be over there. But. But the major pharmaceutical companies around the. Cristina: East go to Canada. Is that the solution? I don't. Jack: So in the case of a zombie apocalypse, getting out of the east would be best. Cristina: Okay. Yeah. Jack: So that's a bunch of scenarios where the west is a problem, but that's an issue immediately. If it's pharmaceutically caused, if it's a virus, if people are dying. Cristina: We still wouldn't want to go to a city. Jack: You don't want to go to a city if it starts in the east. I mean, either direction, I think head to where there's the least amount of people. Cristina: So you're saying the middle of the country. Jack: Yeah, I suppose the middle of the country or up towards the border you want to hit. And additionally, in the case of an invasion or a zombie apocalypse, up and towards the cold will make it harder. Cristina: It's a invasion of like Russia. Russians, they're used to that weather. Maybe the middle of the country is the safest because, like there's crazy weather there, like tornadoes. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: And earthquakes. I don't know. Jack: Yeah, but they'd have to travel quite a way in an invasion to get to us. They'd have a lot of different terrain to overcome. Even if we were on. I mean, I guess if we're too close to Canada, as long as we're not in Canada summers, as long as we're in the center, on the border from either direction that they invade left or right. In the United States, they would have so many different terrains and we would have defense, military defense, surrounding all of it. And enough rural areas that if that fails, we can hide out. Cristina: Okay. And if it's our own military attacking. Jack: Us, that's another problem. Right. Let's say the. The United States government goes rogue. That becomes leaving the city really hard. If the city goes rogue, then what? Right, not the city, the country, the government. So you have officers and military turn on the civilian population. Cristina: How long could they. I mean, I can't imagine that really working out because, like, the people would overwhelm them. Like, how do you turn against your own family, though? Like that? Jack: Some people are more deadened. They consider the mint. Well, I don't know about cops, but definitely the soldiers. Cristina: Soldiers, but like, I guess cops, yeah. Jack: Nah, chances are cops will be on the fence, there'd be a bunch of cops. I mean, it's the end of the world. I'm sure. They start flipping, a bunch of cops are joining people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Yeah, I'm pretty sure a bunch of cops will join individuals. Cristina: But it's not enough to fight the military. Jack: I don't know. Do you think there's enough to fight the military? Cristina: Enough people? Probably. I don't know. No, probably not. With what they have. Jack: I guess it really comes down to that. What the military has versus what normal civilians and a couple of cops have. Cristina: Yeah. And then where do we go? Mexico? Jack: Well, like, I guess it's just out of where we are. Mexico definitely makes sense. I don't know. We gotta go where there's weapons, I suppose. Cristina: Where are the weapons? I don't know. Jack: Where there's people, I guess, that would normally have weapons. So south, southern states, we can raid places as we leave. If there's mass evacuations happening in all. Cristina: The situations, I guess that would be. Jack: What'S happening in every situation. That would be what's happening, yes. Also, food becomes a problem. Like, if you're traveling to exit major cities, what do you do? You stuff a bunch of bags and take them with you. And are you just a target now for anybody who didn't think that far ahead and just like evacuated quickly? Cristina: But everyone has, like, that's the first plan is just take what you have. Jack: Yeah. And I guess people aren't even thinking about what Anybody else has at that point. That's more about when resources are thinned. Cristina: Which will happen pretty quick. Jack: Which happened pretty quick. As people start hoarding. People start breaking into places and hoarding whatever they can. If anybody hidden within the city. And cities are immediately going to become war zones. 00:25:00 Jack: Enough crime in cities that there must be weapons. Cristina: Yeah, man. That's just too dangerous. In any situation. The city is too dangerous. Jack: Yeah. It doesn't matter what it is. If it's a nuclear attack, it's a huge target. If it's a government takeover, then it becomes a central location for them to get the most amount of people. Same thing goes with an invasion. They're probably going to try to win over the largest areas in the quickest time in order to have the least amount of resistance. Zombie apocalypse. That's the quickest place to fill up. Cristina: That's. Yes. Oh, my gosh. If the zombie apocalypse happens, cities tend. Jack: To be the most technologically advanced, so they would likely have the most robots for when the virus gets out. Cristina: Yeah. And if it was something that was just killing people through, like, disease. Jack: Yep. Cristina: Everyone's together. Jack: Yep. Everyone's. It sucks to be in a city for the end of the world. It makes sense as to why super filthy rich people get the out of there. They go to the middle of nowhere where they couldn't be a target of anything. Cristina: On the island. Jack: Yeah. Away from it all, in the. The deepest, most rural part of the ocean. Cristina: But I don't know if, like, going on a boat and trying to survive like that makes sense. Jack: On a boat. No. A single storm could end it all. And going on an island, you need to. It can't be a tiny island. And you got to be sure that there's not a bunch of other people there, but that there is vegetation that you can eat. Because what are you gonna do for food? I mean, I guess you get fish. Are you gonna eat fish forever? Cristina: Well, islands usually have fruits. Jack: Yeah. Yeah. So it can't be a small island. It can't be like, you can't go to Epstein's Island. It's not big enough. Cristina: You go to Puerto Rico. Jack: Fair. But that island is about to sink any day. You also have to consider that what island is big enough to survive long term and not get hit by hurricanes all the time either you want to escape and be safe, not escape and have to deal with a different problem. Cristina: What? Does wine suffer? Yeah. Wait, was that fire on, like a forest fire? Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Oh, okay. They're not safe. I don't know. Jack: No, I Think definitely Canada is the way to go. Cristina: Canada. Jack: I think Canada. We can't go to Mexico. They get hit by hurricanes all the time. Cristina: Yeah, we get hit by everything. Yeah, so they might. No wait, they have fires though. Jack: Who? Canada? Yeah, well, it depends where we go in Canada. We need to go into the mountains too. Snow covered. We want altitude. We want to be well removed and with some altitude. So we can see things from far away. Cristina: Yes, yes. Jack: And then we got to be able to find and plant cold weather crops that would grow regularly and take advantage of the small heat in the. Cristina: How do you plan something like that if you're not a farmer? Where do you even start farming? Jack: Where do you start farming? Cristina: Like you just go to a library is the start. I guess I don't know if there. Jack: I mean in the case of a. Yeah, I guess you got to go. If an apocalypse happens, go to the library and collect some survival books. In the first days of something sketchy happening, go to the library and don't think. Cristina: Survival books, but like just like what's like gardening books. Yeah, that's a survival book in the local area. Okay then. Yeah, stuff like that. Yeah, yeah. Jack: Get how to plant, get how to build, get just a bunch of random back to basics books. Cristina: But you gotta learn about what's in the area specifically. Jack: So that means worry about the acquire the food on route and work minus what you can take. And when you get to your destination, then hit the local library and try to take whatever's information is local for the area. Cristina: Oh, then you can find places there, I guess. No, but everything that they have like tourist spots or anything like that, you wouldn't want to. Jack: You don't want to go where there's a bunch of people. Okay, so plan number one, definitely Canada. That's where we go in the case of anything. You could find enough rural places and enough difficult terrain. Cristina: Yes, right. Jack: This seems to be safe no matter what the situation. No matter what's the apocalypse. In every variation, you're mostly safe. Cristina: Even an alien apocalypse? We never talked about that. What about if aliens? Jack: Yeah, but what the h***. They're also going to go to major cities. Likely. Cristina: Yes, that's true. Jack: There's all this bullshit about rural areas, but like an invasion happens. They're no longer bothering with rural areas. Cristina: That's their favorite spots though. Jack: What would an invasion in a rural area look like? Cristina: I don't know. Okay. Jack: It would just be what take one person. Well, invasions concluded. Cristina: They love doing that I guess normally. But yeah, I 00:30:00 Cristina: mean like maybe they Just. It's the slowest apocalypse ever. They just take one person at a time. Jack: There's too quick of a turnover for reproduction. That doesn't make sense. There's 8 billion of us. Cristina: Yeah. How do we stop them? Jack: We wouldn't. In none of these situations are we pretending we could stop somebody. Cristina: Okay. Jack: We're not out here trying to stop the American government. Or an invasion happens. Yeah. Where we gotta run? Where do we run to? Cristina: Okay. Jack: Unless you got plans for stopping them, I'm all ears. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, if you've got solutions to fight them back as the invasion happens, get. Cristina: A robot to fall in love with you, I guess. Help you fight them. I don't know. Jack: That's a way to go, I guess. Food and water are huge issues. Cristina: Yes. Jack: You got to be close to water. Cristina: But if you can't find the water, the library will help you make water. Jack: Or find other water sources. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: The library will help you make water or find other water sources. Well, I guess make water sources. Cristina: Okay. Like dig a hole. Yeah. I don't know. When you said make water. I don't know. Jack: Yeah, like dig a hole and the water will show up. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But I guess they didn't make that water. Cristina: No. But they can also just show you like the local parks or water rivers or whatever near you. Jack: Yeah. And then you gotta boil the water every time. Yeah. Cristina: But yeah, they'll give you advice on how to do that. Jack: Hopefully with all hoops there's at least enough books to get you started on some planting and whatever. Although a bunch of books might be rated for their information about the area. Cristina: Then learn about it now, before the. Jack: Apocalypse, how do you know where you're. Cristina: Going to know how to clean water? I don't know. Jack: Oh yeah. To clean water, I suppose. Not the plant. Cristina: No, not the plant. Jack: Because you don't know where you're going. Cristina: Specific that you need for survival. Like, water is super important. Jack: Yeah. Learn how to purify water now, just in case. Cristina: Just in case. Like that's one very, very important thing. Jack: Yeah. And you could use it anywhere you go. Cristina: You can eat almost anything. Jack: So fair. And if you kill it, you know, you could eat it for a fact. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: As long as it's like meat or some s***. And there's the obvious fruits and stuff that if you stumble upon. Cristina: So just have some water cleaning knowledge, I guess. Jack: Also it doesn't hurt to, along with water cleaning knowledge, have animal trap creating knowledge. I think those two things might be more important than learning how to farm because that's Long term. But if you can learn how to build a trap that'll catch something that's. Cristina: Yeah. You already know how to fish. That also helps people who already are survivalists already. Jack: Not even survivalists. People who just hang out in the woods. Cristina: Like the hunts. For fun. Jack: Yeah, exactly. They all know. Or not even for fun, just some people hunt for food. Hunters just know. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: How to do these things. How to build traps, how to track animals. That's important. And for like mountain climbers and hikers who do like crazy treks, they usually know how to purify water just in case. Cristina: Being a climber probably helps a lot. Being able to hide on top of a tree in a really crazy situation. When you're trying to hide from someone. Jack: Or up a scaled cave. Cristina: Yeah. Just high places. Jack: Yeah. Vantage points that look like nothing. Those are the best. Because you don't want to build on a tree. And then it's just obvious. And then when you try to get down, it's like, well, you. There's only one way down, buddy. But if nobody can tell where you live because it's up 30, 40ft on the side of a f****** mountain. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And it doesn't. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: They can't even see the entrance from any point. And you can easily. Cristina: Yeah. Because a lot of these situations you're. Wherever you're hiding is probably going to be real obvious. If there is someone or something hunting you down, it's easy to spot if you live there. If you're like, what is it boarding up the windows and stuff like that. Like obvious signs. Although if you don't do that. Jack: Well, yeah, that's fair enough. And depending on the apocalypse, I guess the first couple of. I guess really what we're talking about is initial moments. Right. So we got to ground an apocalypse. Let's say it is a zombie apocalypse. Right. Let's be fun about it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: In a zombie apocalypse, we have to kind of wait it out first. Cristina: Our location, wherever you're at. Jack: Yeah. You don't want to be in the mix of a bunch of crap happening simultaneously. If you're in a major city, you kind of want to wait out until it's quiet. Cristina: Even in the city. Jack: Even in the city. 00:35:00 Cristina: Well, yes, especially because everyone's trying to get out. Jack: Yes, exactly. If you're in a rural area, whenever you want to leave, you can leave. Be careful. But you, you're fine. If you're in a city, leaving becomes a strategic choice. Cristina: You're like fighting everyone and the zombies. Jack: And you don't want to do that you don't want to be caught in the middle of a stampede of people or anything like that. So a lot of the time, staying where you are is probably the best advice. People who have basements go into your basement or people who. Look, if it's possible to hide the existence of your basement and there's only one way in, do that. And you keep storing things in that basement and you make the top floor look invisible. And then you just stay down there quiet. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And you wait days. Cristina: You shouldn't, should you lock your doors? You shouldn't, like, make it obvious you're hiding in the basement. I mean, that your house is a hiding spot. Jack: Yes. Like, in any case, you should make it look like you took what you could and ran out to. Cristina: Mm. Jack: You put as much as you can in the basement. That's survival based. And you do it in a rush. And you don't clean up, you don't tidy up. And you. You can lock the door. Cristina: Yeah, but like, if they step in, it looks like you ran out. Jack: Yeah, it looks like it was raided. Or like, yeah, you were rushing and still close your door for measure. Habit. And so they'll take whatever's left. But you'll still be down there with the important stuff. Yes. You'll have the food, which you hoarded intentionally. You hid down there. You'll have whatever survival things and weapons and crap that you might need and people just fade away. Cristina: But what weapons would that be? Like your kitchen knives. Like if you don't really have anything. Kitchen knife anything becomes a weapon. Jack: Yeah, a kitchen knife is super useful. It's actually genius if you can have a couple of different kitchen knives on you. If you have a kitchen knife on. If you have a kitchen knife rack, take the rack. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: You have hella kitchen knives. Especially if there's multiple of you down there. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Somebody comes down there, all of you can stab the out of them. Cristina: Crazy. Oh, no. Jack: You stay nice and quiet and you just wait days and days and days. When you're halfway through your supplies and you start to panic. Ration right off the start. Don't be eating comfortable suddenly. Yes, you ration right off the bat. Cristina: Okay, that's tough. Jack: Yep, you ration right off the bat. Cristina: But then. Okay. And then some days pass and then it's quiet. Jack: When it's quiet. Whenever it's quiet, you wait down there until it's quiet and you don't hear panic or it's so sparse that you know outside is nice and empty. Assuming this is zombie apocalypse or A military invasion of sorts. Staying where you are and being quiet until it looks empty and dead. Cristina: Yeah. If there are any zombies, I mean, they walk away, they usually go towards noise. So if your place has been abandoned, it should be fine. Jack: Yes. And soldiers who cleared the area would have come through and looked at everything and been like, oh, this is clear. Cristina: That's horrifying, though. I don't know. And the robots, though, like, they can just hide there forever. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Robot can just be at your house for the rest of their life. Jack: You wouldn't even. Waiting. Well, no, they still have to charge. We haven't discovered infinite energy. So robot comes in, it could stand there for a certain amount of time, but it will have to recharge. Cristina: But it just connects itself to your wall. Jack: If electricity isn't destroyed, you're f*****. Yeah. If that's not turned off. And it could just walk in and just stand there and charge itself in your house and not even move. Cristina: Mm. Just the skies in your crap and. Jack: But here's the problem. In the case of a robot apocalypse, where do you hide? If everything is a tracker, everything has gps, everything has a camera. You can't. No, it's. We're all cooked. It's done. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I guess robot apocalypse is looking dire with the amount of cameras everywhere. Cristina: The woods. You run to the woods. Jack: Yeah. You gotta wait until enough people are dead. No. D***. In the case of robot apocalypse, you gotta. Yeah, because then you're an easy target for them to focus on. Cristina: Mm. Jack: You do have to go to the middle of nowhere. Cristina: No town, no city, no nothing is safe. Jack: You got to leave all electronics behind. Cristina: Mm. It's gotta be so far. Go up a mountain again. Jack: Yeah, up a mountain. You gotta get way out of places. And you have to be places where your thermal image cannot be seen. And that includes because of satellites as well. We could be seen from every. So it's so exaggerated. Cristina: Yes. I don't know, man. Mountain climbers have 00:40:00 Cristina: it. They can survive. Jack: Except if you go up a mountain and there isn't a cave, then you could just be spotted by, like, satellites. Cristina: Okay, well, you gotta go to that library for that map. You're supposed to check out your area before you do something crazy like that. Jack: Yeah. And how do you get out quick? In the case of rule about apocalypse and everybody's scrambling and running in every direction, how do you survive? You can't. It's in a city. You can't exit. You're f*****. But if you don't exit, they'll focus on you and Then you're f*****. Cristina: You talk about zombies now? Jack: No, robots. Cristina: Oh, they're robots. Oh, that's what you said. Jack: Oh, maybe. Cristina: Okay, now we're focusing on robots. Jack: Yeah. If you're trying to get out during a robot apocalypse, which is the best advice, then you're going to be stuck dealing with people in the middle of their panic. But you have to do it at that moment. If it's robot apocalypse, if it's an invasion, if it's zombies, you can stay. You could hunker down, try to be invisible, hide in a wall or something for a couple of days, you know, if it's robots. If it's robots, then what? Cristina: You gotta get a bike. Yeah, I guess that wouldn't be the safest way to travel. And fastest. Because you can't trust your cars. Jack: No, you can't trust your cars. Robots can one cars run on electricity on top of gas. And to the electricity one, the gas could be shut off. We don't know how to acquire gas. And the electricity is usually powered with. Not powered by. It has a battery, but it usually is accompanied with computers and whatnot. So that's just a tracking machine. You're just being tracked. You need as little electrical energy as possible. So bicycle is the way to go. Cristina: Also probably running away from the government would be the same. You don't want to use anything that they'll track. Jack: Yes. You don't want to use anything to track or anything that a simple EMP could disable in the middle of an invasion. If it's an invasion happening and soldiers coming in, they could just drop an EMP somewhere, disable all electronics. And now what? Yeah, you won't even notice if you're on a bike. Cristina: Yeah. So the bike is the safest. Jack: Bike is the safe way to travel. Cristina: It is in every situation. Jack: Yes. Bikes and horses are such a commodity. Although a bike over a horse. Cristina: Bike over a horse. Especially in the zombie apocalypse. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Why is there no one riding a bike? Why are they still horses? Jack: No, it's a real question now I'm thinking about the walking dead and how, like, why weren't there a bunch of bicycles everywhere? Cristina: No, there's like, they do cars for so long when it's so loud. And motorcycle, which is super loud. Like it's insanely loud. And then horses, which are still pretty loud. Especially a group of horses. Yeah, it's a pretty loud sound. Jack: It's super loud. A bike is just cutting through the wind. Yeah, easy. Cristina: And they have roads everywhere. Jack: Everywhere. I don't understand. I don't get it. And I'm sure there were enough bikes everywhere. Cristina: Yes. I don't know. The zombies ate all the bikes or destroyed all the bikes in anger or something. Jack: That's an interesting question. Where did the bikes go in the walking that it would have broken. Cristina: Invented. Jack: And I know they do exist because there was that one guy who rode the bike to distract them. So it's not like the word zombie. That never happened in that universe. Bicycles do exist in that universe. So there must be bikes everywhere. Cristina: But then no one uses bikes. Jack: Nobody uses bikes. Cristina: What is going on? Jack: It would destroy all conflict, you know? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You could easily sneak up on any enemy. You could easily bypass any number of infected. You could easily get from point A to point B without having to worry about the bike eating because it's not a horse. Cristina: Yeah. That is so crazy. I guess. Yeah. That would solve a lot of stuff. Jack: You could go as far as your energy allows and you can coast down hills. Cristina: Bike is a beautiful solution to a lot of problems. Jack: Yeah. Yeah. We're hoarding a couple of bikes. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Bike parts for days. That's genius. Bike parts for days. Cristina: They're not even that difficult once you figure out how it works. Jack: Yeah. And anytime that you have a. Anytime that you have a. Let's say you. You know. So. Okay, our plan is what? We're going to the center of the country, somewhere in between the United States and 00:45:00 Jack: Canada. That border area, which is rural as. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And we find a bunk, or not a bunk, but like a cabin out. Cristina: There in the middle of nowhere. It's gotta be cabin. Jack: We take no electronics and we raid the library for books on local important areas, maps of the area and what businesses are there and what food grows in the area. We take that back to our cabin every time we do runs. We can also steal casually bike parts. Cristina: Yes, easy. Jack: Bike chains, tires, whatever. Just bike parts. Build an infinite number of bikes, little by little bikes for all different purposes. Cristina: Stop by every bike store and just do a little whatever. Jack: Yeah, whatever. If their bike stores are stripped anyway, you go and you find anything related to bike. Make sure you have enough tools on you. You know, a screwdriver, a wrench of some sort. Just enough to strip a bike at any moment and take important things that would normally break often. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Remove the rubber tire and its air tube. You stuff that into the bag that you have with you. Instead of taking the whole frame. Once in a while, you take one frame of. Not one frame, one rim. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Once in a while, you take one rim. Because it's huge. You take one and all the stuff you're supposed to take, and then again next time, one rim and all the stuff you're supposed to take. Little by little, you have a bunch of rims and you take notes of where you left the rim because you can only take one at a time. Go back, get more stuff, get more bike parts as well as food and other things. Cristina: That's a good idea. I like that idea. I think it works in every situation. I don't know. Jack: Yeah, it seems to. A bike is ideal. You can bypass the enemy. If it's a military invasion, a bike is still helpful. You can sneak around. Cristina: Yeah. Do you think so? Jack: I do. I think so too. Cristina: But I don't know. You don't want to be riding a bike around the military either. You don't want to be anywhere near them. Jack: No. But if you had to, it's an easy way to move quickly and sneak away. Cristina: Not everything is dangerous. I don't know. I don't know what's the worst of all these situations. It's like the military is pretty bad, but zombies, of course. Pretty bad. Jack: They're all pretty bad. I mean, that's why we're running away in the first place. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We're suing its world ending to some degree. Cristina: World ending? Jack: Yeah, it's an apocalypse. And so we go north and we steal food on the way and we steal bike. We get the cabin, starts hoarding bike parts, leave them in the back of the cabin. And books, all kinds of books from libraries and stuff. That's also going to be entertainment. But entertainment isn't going to be get a novel about a story. No, entertainment is going to be. Learn practical skills in the middle of the end of the world. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Continue to collect books on knowledge and continuously spend your day practicing those skills and developing them. Cristina: I don't know if having a farm is a good idea. Like, would that be assigned to other people? Jack: Yes. Cristina: So, like, how do you grow crops and not worry? Jack: No, you can't be on a farm. Cristina: Not on a farm. Like, if you grow anything in a field, someone will find it, like in your backyard. Or if it's. Jack: If you're in a cabin in the woods. You plant in the woods. Cristina: In the woods? Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Away from the house. Jack: Even if it was near the house, the idea is the cabin isn't surrounded by people. It's a cabin. This is out there. Cristina: Okay. But you're not growing your crops around your cabin. Jack: You can, because you're not around anybody. The cabin should be removed enough presumably if you got a cabin near people, you're already okay. If there are other structures around you. Somebody could be in that next cabin at any day at random and you wouldn't know. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You don't want to be visible. The ideas go so rural. Your cabin is the only place for very, very long time. Cristina: But no one will stumble upon your cabin by accident. That'd be too wild. Jack: I mean, how would they? Didn't you have to look for it? Cristina: Yes, to begin with? I don't know. The robots can figure it out. They're looking everywhere. Jack: It depends. What are you envisioning as a cabin here? Because if somebody could just stumble upon it, you didn't find the most hidden area possible. Cristina: But how hidden? I don't know how hidden cabins are. Like you're saying they're like nothing is near it. Jack: Yeah. Presumably there should be some cabins that are super removed and that you could find that are just out there by themselves. People who were really doing woodsy s***. Cristina: Because how do you get to those? I feel like those cabins are gonna be the hardest to get to 00:50:00 Cristina: because the person who had that cabin is still in that cabin. Jack: Likely the case. That's when you make some hard decisions about ending someone's life. Cristina: That's crazy. Like the most easy cabins to find is probably the ones that have like in the park area where people stay in the summertime. Jack: So yeah, we got our cabin here and then. Yeah, there's a cabin just a little over there. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: No, no, no. You want to go into the middle of nowhere. You're not going to a sunny spot for summer vacation. You're going into a cold, s***** place intentionally up a mountain. Nobody goes on vacation up a mountain. That's why you're looking for these cabins. Cristina: And hoping no one lives there. Jack: Hoping no one lives there. I mean nobody would be living there. Think of like an ice fishing cabin that's removed. Cristina: That's crazy. Okay. Jack: You know, just that level of removed. You're looking for cabins in those kinds of situations. Alternatively, you could find totally removed town and then go and find the most removed house in that town. Cristina: Oh, okay, that makes sense. Jack: Yeah. Or the house with the best position to see the most in a place that's very empty. And slowly, if it's just enough, if it's just few enough people, then you can slowly kind of clear out every place day by day. Cristina: Mark all the places separate. Jack: Not separate. You want to be as close as possible. But let's say there's just two of you and it's A relatively empty town because the apocalypse is happening. Then again, it depends on like the, the amount of time if it's beginning. Those places have people. Cristina: Yeah. If it's a town, then you're just hiding. Jack: You're just waiting until they're. If we wake up and it's been 10 years. We were in a coma and it's been 10 years. The apocalypse has happened and now we're like, how do we survive now? Go to a rural town, clear the town, and then pick the place of the best vantage point. Well, you start by picking a place of the best vantage point, clearing that place. Cristina: Setting up what is like clearing the town though. You're murdering people. Like, what are you doing? Jack: If it's been 10 years and the apocalypse happens, presumably there aren't people. You're just making sure there aren't people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, you're just going to each place and making sure there's nobody there. Cristina: And if there is someone there, then. Jack: I don't know. I don't know. That's an interesting question. You get to. Oh, you leave, I guess. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: It's their territory you moved into. Cristina: Oh, he's like, I guess like, what if one of these dangers are hidden in there? But I don't know why they would be hiding in something that's empty. Jack: Yeah. If it's military or government invasion, they're not just gonna be hiding out in the most rural empty place. That's not happening. Cristina: But a zombie is possible. Jack: Zombie is totally possible. Yes. In a zombie apocalypse. But then you'd get rid of the zombie that would be clearing it. Cristina: But if you just woke up, then I don't know how you're gonna do that. Jack: What do you mean? Cristina: You said in the ten year. Jack: Yeah. Okay, how are you not gonna. What? Unless it's a runner, in which case there's nobody left. Jack: You're dealing with just a typical Walking Dead esque kind of zombie. And that's easy to deal with one. You see a zombie, you're like, that's a zombie. You're like, there's nobody else. I gotta kill that thing or it's gonna kill me. Okay. How do you decide who you trust? Cristina: You don't. I don't know. That's interesting. Jack: And how do you decide who you trust? If they. I mean, personality goes a long way. Cristina: But there's acting and I don't know how you can tell anyone can seem like a friendly person who just needs help. Jack: Yeah, 100%. You don't have to help anybody. I think you need to. But you also can't be the person in need of help. You just need to ultimately be. You have to be resourceful and get people who are resourceful. Cristina: Right. But how do you do that? Jack: You find people who you reject. The people who are useless. Cristina: Mm. The people who are resourceful. Like, how do you get them to trust you? Jack: I don't think trust happens just by default. I think you guys need to agree. Look, we have talents or whatever. We know this and I know that. And people can be forced into situations together. Most people are going to try to avoid other people, but in certain situations, people will get familiar. And I think those are the moments that matter. Right. Where you start to determine utility. How useful is this person that comes first? And then considering their implication within your group, is this the kind of personality I'll conflict with? And you, you know, you learn with 00:55:00 Jack: time because people can lie. And, like, what do you. Do you do not trust anybody, but don't trust anybody right off the bat. Cristina: But when you start trusting people, how big does this group become? Jack: How would you keep facing situations where you end up trusting people? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: I think the team builds up at the beginning. At the beginning. Couple of people, if even that you're gonna try to get away with what you have. You got a family. You got what if you have a family of. Hopefully you got a basement. You could just disappear for a bit. If your basement is obvious, it's just a giant door in the middle of the house, bro. If it's a random door against a wall that you can easily block somehow, and that's the only way in, great. If that isn't the only way in and there's an outer way in, then you move a giant. If you have it, a bookshelf or something in front of the door, and you stock it with everything you have. So it's just there? Cristina: Yeah. Like your bed is pretty big. I don't know if that could work. Jack: No. You don't want it to be obvious. You're blocking something and then you're inside and somebody can just move it. Like I said, a bookshelf. Something obvious that just looks like it belongs there. And you stock it like it's just a bookshelf that's been ignored. Cristina: If you don't have a bookshelf, that's a weird one. Jack: And you do whatever you need to. To hide the handle. You can remove the handle. You could remove the handle and push that bookshelf as far back as possible. If it has an outdoor entrance the outdoor entrance is going to be way easy if you have a normal kind of opens up cellar door situation. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: You can, from the out, you being outside, decorate the doors to be invisible. Cristina: How do you do that? Like with trash or something? Yeah. Jack: 100. You could put a bunch of trash that's just attached to the doors so that when you close the door from the inside, the trash still lands on top of it, hiding it. Cristina: That's cool. Yeah. Jack: Yes. And then you could just be down there and nobody would even know that place has a basement. There wouldn't be proof on the outside or on the inside. Cristina: It just sucks being trapped in a basement. It really does. Jack: 100%. But you would need to wait it out. You want to wait out the noise, whatever the case is. In the case of a nuke, it's the same thing. What are you just dying down there? Ultimately you're just waiting. Cristina: Yes. Oh, I don't nuke. There's nothing we can. What? That's the worst apocalypse. That's the worst apocalypse. Jack: That's definitely the worst one. Cristina: There's nothing you can do unless you're outside of it. Jack: I would think that whatever happened in the Road is a nuclear apocalypse because of all the ashes. Cristina: There's nothing but ash and nothing to eat, nothing to drink. Jack: Oh, no. Plants grow. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: There's water, but they don't give a s***. They don't even filter the water to drink anything. Cristina: It's awful. Jack: Yeah. The kid got sick. Hella times. Like, okay, whatever. It's like better than that. Drinking anything. Cristina: That's horrible. Hopefully that's not the situation that's a horrible situation. But yeah, that seems like it was a. Something like the new. Yeah. Jack: No food grows, no people around, no plants anywhere. There's. You can't see the sky. Everything is ash everywhere. Everything is ash. Absurd. That's a hardcore apocalypse. Cristina: Like you're just scavenging for old cans. That's it. That's all you're doing. Jack: You're surviving off of no hope of finding any other food. Cristina: Nope. Jack: Because nothing can. Cristina: The canned stuff. Jack: That's it. Cristina: That's crazy. Jack: Which eventually will run out. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Eventually will run out. My question about the road is, was that kid born in the apocalypse? Cristina: I don't know. I don't know. He could have because his w. He had to have been born right before. He must have been a baby or some. A child because the lady killed herself and like she could have been born after that. Jack: Yeah, fair enough. No, but they were being chased. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: They were being chased by somebody. They're like, they're gonna come for us or whatever. So she could have. The kid could have been a really young child, like a baby or something at that point. I don't know. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's no timeline to this either. It's really just a dude and his kid wandering. Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. So I'm not sure. Okay. Because they don't really say when that's happening. Jack: No, there's no. It could end the fact that everything is destroyed. It's been kind of a while. That kid might have been born in that. And like, maybe there was life and people trying. Cristina: But it was impossible. Jack: It was impossible. Cristina: Growing where food where in a situation like that. 01:00:00 Cristina: I don't know. I think you just want to be dead. I don't know. Jack: Presumably. Cristina: I don't know. Survive of cans until you can't. Jack: Yeah. And going north kind of still works out. An apocalypse happens when it comes to nukes. Just go north. The difficulty is the cold. Cristina: Mm. Jack: I mean, if it's nukes, go south, I guess, because you have less people to worry about. You want to go where the situations are going to be eased off so they can focus on the things that can't be eased off. If there's an invasion, if the military turns on the people, if there are zombies, you want to go where there's no people and where it is cold so that the most people struggle, there's the least likely locations to be large numbers of people. If it's not, and it's nukes and a lot of people die, suddenly, going south might make sense because you remove the element of you having to deal with the cold. And you will be in areas where maybe you can grow things more easily than going up to where it's cold and it's harder to grow things. You want to go where you can possibly survive. You do want to go to places like that avoid you dealing with the elements and making growing food more likely. Cristina: And do what? Go north, South. Jack: If it's nukes, go south, go south. You want to go to the places less likely to be hit by nukes and less likely to be affected by the air from nukes. North, there is way more people. South, there are way less people. If you go very, very south, you get to very, very rural. I mean, that's also a possibility. You can just go to South America. Just keep going down, keep going down, keep going down. Gets hotter and hotter and hotter. In the case of an invasion, you're f*****. Like, that's. They can Come from anywhere all the time. And the terrain only gets easier to. Cristina: Maneuver in South America, the more south. Jack: You go, until you get to jungles and s***. And you don't want to be in those jungles. Cristina: Oh. Because I was saying, like, maybe the jungles would be a good spot. Jack: You don't want to be in those jungles. Cristina: That's where you die. Jack: That's where you die. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because if the people who live in the jungles don't come for you, the animals that live in the jungle are gonna come for you. Jack: You kind of want desert. You want a lot of. Not desert. Not desert, but you want a lot of open space that you can see in every direction for a long time. You want to go to those southern American countries. You don't want to be in Brazil. That's a problem. Cristina: Why? That's the city. Jack: No, that's. I mean, there are large cities there, but that's also where the giant Amazon forest is coming from. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: Like, you want to be far away from those areas. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And those still have dense populations. Again, your best bet is always go north to get to the, like, fewest number of people. But the early stages before super north, keep in mind, most people live on the. I believe it's the northern hemisphere of the world, right? Well, most people live around the equator, but, yeah. China and India kind of cheating, I guess. If you remove China and India, where do most people then live? And I'm assuming most major cities. If you look at the United States versus a bunch of other places, you look at Europe, you look at all these places, everybody's up. We're on the northern part. So you got to go extra, extra north to get away from people that's very cold. Yes, you want to go very, very cold, but that also makes it very hard and less likely you're going to encounter people. Cristina: That's a good thing, I guess. Yes. Jack: You got to be willing to do what other people aren't willing to do in order to survive. Cristina: It's the only way you survive in every situation. Jack: In every situation. And going south could help, but you also have to go through all. I mean, you could go to the center of the country, travel, but then you got the bottom states that are packed with people, and then you still have to cross that into the top of Mexico. That's packed with people. Cristina: Yeah. It's too dangerous. Jack: And then keep going south, going. You gotta cross the jungle. You can't stay there. You can die, but you gotta cross the jungle. Cristina: Then once you cross it Is that safe? Jack: Yes. You'll get to. You'll start entering more rural areas with less exaggerated foliage is like jungles. And get to more old school style countries or countries that are modern but still have a lot of areas that are old school. Old Spanish countries. Cristina: Good place for bikes, man. Jack: Good place for bikes. Good place to hide out in random places. There's not a lot of structure the way we know it over here. Mad layered. You'll have 01:05:00 Jack: have like one floor homes, a lot of them. Cristina: That's perfect. Jack: You know, you get the. You move into the one building, you got view. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Or you can go to completely rural areas in these kind of Spanish areas. It works like that. If you could find a boat and get to an island that doesn't flood easily. The problem is with islands, you also got to deal with. You want to deal with tropical. You don't want to deal with jungle. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Jungle's gonna kill people. Cristina: Jungle kills people. Jack: I think the jungle is more dangerous than going somewhere astoundingly cold. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Getting warm is gonna suck. Cristina: Getting warm where it's cold. Oh, okay. Yeah. But that's. You just have, I don't know, a lot of blankets. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: A lot of coats. Jack: Yeah. Double air, triple air for the super harsh winters. I mean, as the world I see other apocalypses didn't discuss, the planet is getting hotter and hotter. If this increases at an exponential rate. Cristina: Then the top makes most sense. Jack: Yeah. You want to keep going north until you're in these hefty northern areas. But on the flip side, the north is gonna start getting packed in that kind of apocalypse. Cristina: Oh, then staying in the middle makes the most sense. Jack: You don't want to bake alive. You want to go where it's warmer. But in this inevitable scenario, the more north is going to start getting more packed because it's going to be more livable as it gets hotter. Cristina: Yeah. And the south is just gone. Jack: No, the south works just like the north, only the equator is extremely hot. If you go south from the equator, you get colder and colder. Cristina: Then it makes sense to go there then to the equator, to I guess South America. Jack: We can go to South America. We can go to North America. North America has way more land. South America gets thinner and thinner. Lower down you go, meaning that'll get more densely packed. Cristina: Less people is a better thing. Jack: Consider the equator. And if it's a climate based situation and that the equator is the middle, most people underneath the equator are going to keep going south. Most people on the north of the equator are going to keep going North. Even if there are more people in the north for a climate crisis, there is way more ground for them to spread out. Less likely, you'll see people. But South America doesn't work that way. South America is a funnel. It keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller. Meaning everybody is going to most likely be packing. They're going to be more and more. Even if there were a few people. Yes. They're going to keep going south. Keep going south. And there's going to be more and more people. Always more and more people. And that's where the hostility is going to happen. Same thing happens with Africa as it gets warmer and warmer. The African continent. Yeah. Is going to get worse. It's going to get bad. And South Africa is going to be at risk because that's going to have the largest swarm of people. Cristina: That's a lot of people. Okay. Jack: And just like the United States, having Canada and this open, kind of increasingly opening above us, so does the eastern continents. Cristina: Russia. That's pretty safe then. Jack: Yeah. You keep going up. Russia is eventually going to be in a case of a real climate crisis. Russia becomes paradise. Cristina: Well, we're not traveling to Russia. Jack: We're not traveling to Russia. We'd be going to Canada. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Our equivalent of that. Cristina: That makes sense. Yeah. Jack: Those are basically rough ideas, rough concepts that we would do. Cristina: Yes. Jack: I don't know if we solved anything. Cristina: Are we supposed to solve things? I don't think so. Jack: I don't know. Cristina: We have a basic plan. Bicycles, books. Jack: Strip bicycles. Strip books. Not strip books, but steel books. Cristina: Steel books. Jack: First, go somewhere that solves your problem almost instantly. Cristina: No, before anything, even before of an apocalypse. Learn how to filter water. Jack: Learn how to filter water and how to build animal traps. Yes, that's it. Filter water, build animal traps. Important. Cristina: Super simple. Jack: Super simple. Very logical. Yes. Then after the situation happens, north or south indefinitely. Yes, definitely. Now. Cristina: With a bike. Jack: With a bike, if you can. But if you've got to travel, when you get where you're going, you use a bike. You use a bike to move around quietly. Cristina: Okay, so that's in the future. Jack: Yes. And then you hoard bike parts. And also before you even get that far, when you enter where you're settling down and you've set camp and you're like, this is where we're staying. After you've secured and looked at the area and making sure you're nice and safe. Nearest library. Make the trip. Steal books about the local plants, the local structures, all the things you need to know about the area you're In. Cristina: Yes. 01:10:00 Cristina: Super important. Jack: Yes. And then start stealing bicycles and stuff so that you can make every travel easy. Cristina: You see, there's a plan there. It makes sense. It's good. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: It's not exaggerated. It's a simple. It's beautiful because it's simple. Jack: Yes. And anybody can do it. Cristina: And anyone can do it. Yes. It was a great plan. Jack: Yeah. Fair enough. There was a building plan the whole time. Teach yourself the two basic skills ahead of time. Go to one of the extremes. After the crisis, when you arrive at the location you believe you're gonna stay. Raid libraries as you're looking for food or whatever the crap you plan to do. Make sure you get informed on your surroundings and then acquire transportation so that you can regularly travel. Cristina: Brilliant. Jack: Brilliant. Cristina: I think we did it. Jack: Totally. Cristina: It works for any situation. Jack: Yes. The one cheat that everybody needs to know and learn. Make sure you steal sewing string, sewing wire, sewing yarn or whatever, and a bunch of tiny bells. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: And then you can hang the bells on the wire in the night, and you could create a huge perimeter. And anything touches the wire at any distance, all of them ring. So you just need some leading all the way to you. Cristina: I don't know how good that is because, like, what if it's a zombies thing? Like, you wouldn't want the sound attracting them to your house. Jack: It would tell you that they're zombies. Cristina: But it wouldn't attract them to get closer to you. Jack: Well, you don't want crazy walking by. No, you don't want crazy loud. It's a bell. It's not a giant horn. If they're walking by and they ring it, then they're confused. It's coming from everywhere. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: There's two things you really need with that. You want the louder ring to be wherever the trip is. So you want a bell to be clink, clink. That one over there rang really loud. All the others rang to let me know, but the loudest one was over there. That's where it got tripped. The other ones are just moving because it got tripped. So I know it came from that direction. And these all rang. But even if you're asleep, one of them would be near you. So it would ring. When something tripped any wire anywhere, a. Cristina: Little bell will ring next to you. Jack: Yes. And then you'd be like, oh, something's here. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Learn how to use wire or string and sewing string and. Cristina: Have a bunch of bells. You don't even know how to work bells. Jack: Hoard bells over time. Hoard a bunch of string and a Bunch of bells to set basic parameters. Yep. Basic perimeters, alternatively. No. The problem is you want your bell to go off the one near you. Cristina: Mm. Jack: So I guess there's ways around this. You can make outdoor perimeters where you fasten edges. This one to that tree, one bell in between, this one to that tree, one bell in between. Do that over and over, creating a perfect perimeter. But you can also do it where those aren't going to be interrupted. Those one rings, only that one rings. You know exactly where it came from for your house, your fastened area. That's when you would put a bunch of wires and connecting things in every direction so that you're sleeping in the one hidden spot. It doesn't matter where somebody steps on it. It will ring all of the ones in the house and the one near you. So you could just hear it get up. Get up and react. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That's true. Good scenario. That would be my advice for, like, be safe in simple ways. This whole plan is simple. Cristina: It's awesome. I like it. I think anyone can do it. Jack: Anybody could do it. That is the goal. Right. It's very simple, basic plan. Anybody can pull off it will probably. Cristina: Help in any situation. Jack: Yes. Because it's not focused on any one apocalypse. There's a couple of, you know, stay home if you can, but move if you can. Those are the only variations. This is how you stay home. This is how you move. Although the how you move, I guess that's really up to you. But where you move to, this is how you stay home or where you move to. How you move to where you're going, it depends on the individuals. Can you all ride bikes, then ride bikes if you can't, well, you guys gotta walk then. If there are cars and no MP drop, take a car. If it's robot apocalypse, take a. Don't touch a car. Cristina: Most situations, I think don't touch a car because, like, that also, people will find you. Jack: People will find you. Cristina: It's an easy red, but it depends. Jack: On the timing, too. If it's early in it. Use a car. You're part of the noise. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Keep getting more rural. More rural, more rural. Then abandon the car a distance away from where you're going. Cristina: Yeah. Eventually you gotta let go that car. Jack: Put it somewhere hidden that you can run back to that, you know. And if it's gone, somebody's 01:15:00 Jack: somebody's around there. Cristina: Whoa. Jack: But don't put it near where you're staying. Cristina: Mm. Jack: Because people will find it. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: People will find cars in the most random of places. Cristina: Yeah, cars are too dangerous. I don't know. Jack: Yeah. And too noisy. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: But the only problem is if an EMP drops, the noisy cars are the only ones that will drive. Purely mechanical. Cristina: That's why. That's dangerous too. That's. Jack: Yeah. It makes those cars the most desirable. Cristina: Mm. Everyone's gonna be fighting over cars. You don't want that. You don't want it for survival. Jack: People are also gonna be fighting over bikes. Cristina: Okay. You don't need bikes for survival either. Jack: But you're gonna hoard bikes because it's easy. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's not easy to hoard cars and repair them. It's easy to have a couple of tools and repair some bikes. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You can always have a bike. I don't know why in the Walking Dead they don't have bikes. It makes no sense. Cristina: I don't know. They have carriages. Jack: I don't. I don't understand. Anyways, hopefully this is helpful to you guys to some degree. And if the apocalypse comes, there's a basic plan here. It started off kind of aimless, but slowly zoned into a plan. Cristina: It makes sense. It's a plan that works. Maybe. We'll find out. We'll find out. Jack: Yeah, we'll find out when the apocalypse heads. Anyways, if you guys like conversations like this, Ones similar. We haven't had anything like this in a while. Although there are older episodes that have strange off conversations like this, you guys can definitely find those. And if you have any ideas that you think fit a basic, easy to accomplish plan anywhere for anybody to do. Cristina: Or it could add to what we made. Jack: Yeah, basically, that's what I'm saying. If you want to add to what we're talking about. Anything that would fit so easily to our plan. Cristina: Okay. Jack: That anything could fit, you know, any piece that won't overcomplicate it that allow anybody to still accomplish this, message us and let us know. You could do that on our socials at just convopod, on Twitter on X. No, X is Twitter on X, on Facebook, on Instagram, on Tick Tock, wherever you'd like. Cristina: Remember to subscribe and review the show. Jack: Yes. And word of mouth is incredibly overpowered. Tell people we're trying to get everybody to survive the apocalypse. Let them know that's what's happening here. Cristina: Let's do it together. Except don't. Don't join me. We gotta do. We gotta be separate. I don't know. Jack: Yes. 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