Rambling 243: Manannan from Elysium
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Where in the Overworld are the trees from the Forest of Shadows located? Do the Advanced Ancient Civilizations know of the location? And what else was there? The duo deep dive into The Isle of Man after being tipped off by a shady internet source to seek more information in this direction. The doors this tip opens both explains a plethora of details and leaves a million new questions to answer.
+Episode Details
- The Isle of Man
- Fairy Trees
- Fairy Forts
- Manannán
- The protector of The Isle of Man since 6,500bc
- The Guardian sent from The Sea People
- Island named Emain Ablach
- Elysian City of ‘Cruithin na Cuan
- St. Patrick
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+Transcript
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.
Jack: Going live in 5, 4.
Cristina: What does live mean?
Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack.
Cristina: And I am your host, Christina.
Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And baffling ideas. Why? Right? Radio people always have this voice. This is Z100.
Cristina: No, I don't think so. I don't know who that sounds like this is.
Jack: Oh, no, it's not. They always got this voice. There you go. That's the one. It's like, this is Z100. No commercials ever. Except right after I say this, there's gonna be a couple of commercials, but that's the only exception. And technically, this is a commercial for. For the channel you're listening to. And it's totally stopping the flow of music. But I said no commercials. Infinite music. So you're just gonna believe me based on my voice? And then music plays and you're like, but that was a commercial. You were lying to me as you were telling me the thing that you were lying about.
Cristina: Yes, he's talking about after he says.
Jack: The commercial and skinna and no, but eventually it doesn't matter. There's no such thing. Because you'd never hear a person. If it's no commercials ever. You just never hear a person.
Cristina: There's Then. Okay, then.
Jack: Yes, you see, that's the problem. It has to be a lie. Anyways. So recently we've gone down an infinitely long rabbit hole that never seems to end, which connects further and further and kind of makes me question reality entirely. That began at the sea people. Well, began at Unicorns and led through the sea people in like, totally devolved into a bunch of other. But in order to elaborate. By the way, anybody who's listening to this episode, today is especially. Today is the day when we stumble upon something many of us have been thinking about and discussed a couple of times but never really had anything about. But now we have something by accident.
Cristina: By accident.
Jack: By accident.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Or almost bags and explain it a bit. So first I need to remind you guys of the Sumerians, which are really just the Persians, but longer ago. And Shamash. Shamash is the guy, the judge. The Sumerian judge who had traveled through the shadow realm unknowingly through the Forest of Shadows, come out the other side, pop out back on the Overworld, AKA earthrealm, and go to work. He just took the shortcut because it took him there. He didn't know how. How it really Worked, but he got, did. Did the thing.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And his sister, he told the sister about the situation and she was like, oh cool, I wanna see. And so she did. And then they went through thing and she ate a fruit and was like super lightened and then she decided, yeah, she wants to stay there. But that happened much later after she took a bunch of trips and met Inanna, totally different situation. So that actually happened much later after she made many trips. But anyway, she took a trip, found the fruit and then she was very enlightened. And after a couple of after the visit and many visits from Shamash as well, because he kept going through the people of the Shadow Realm decided, hey man, you're judged. That's kind of cool. You want to be a judge for us, be an objective third party. He's like, yeah, cool, I'll be a judge in the Shadow Realm, whatever that might mean.
Cristina: That's so weird. Yeah, yeah.
Jack: And she measure is taking a path that the force of shadows, previously mentioned, or I guess mentioned afterwards by us, but previously visited by the ancestor to the sea people named El, who was a personal homie of Sizen, the ruler of the Shadow Realm. And Susan later leaves the Shadow Realm to join the Earth gods in the Mayan empire with Ixchel, who is the individual that after Inanna eats the fruit and gets obsessed with the Shadow Realm and makes many trips, she gets familiar with a kingdom there with the palace, it's there and Inanna is the botanist prodigy in there and they become friends and then decide to swap places and then they stay swapped permanently. And so Ixchil goes to Maya with Sizen, both Shadow Realm creatures, part of the Earth Gods. All of this together, those are some individuals that are useful to remember. Now Shamash had a very interesting conclusion.
Cristina: Which one is Shamash?
Jack: The Judge?
Cristina: So many names.
Jack: Okay, the Judge had an interesting conclusion to the trees in the Forest of Shadows, and his conclusion was that he believes that the trees in the Forest of Shadows are the roots to the trees in the Overworld, AKA Earth Realm. Interesting, very interesting. The idea would be that the trees in earthrealm are then the roots to the trees in the Shadow Realm. Simple logic, it's just inverted. No matter which side you're on, the other side is the roots. Great. Or there's no such thing as roots and the branches on this side just become a tree on the other side the branches off to. But ultimately branches and roots kind of look the same to some degree. So it kind of works. This all happened 10,000 BC and then these fruits seem to be used because El, the ancestor to the sea people, had already gathered the fruit of life originally and then gathered the fruit of knowledge afterwards. First he gathered the fruit of life, made Adam with that, then gathered the fruit of knowledge, made Eve with that, and. And then put those two together and added the fruit of flesh, and then created Jesus as an experiment, artificially inseminating Mary.
Cristina: That was. L. No.
Jack: L. No. He gathered the two original fruits, and then eventually, it looks like Jehovah took a trip, gathered those two fruits again, and then the fruit of flesh, and then with that, created Jesus. Jesus probably using his own DNA, and then some additional modifications by Adam and then Eve plus the fruit of flesh, thus creating Jesus in the first place as an artificial insemination into Mary. Nice science experiments going on.
Cristina: Lovely.
Jack: So as I'm doing research, my research involves many different alleyways, many different methods. I find old text, I find hieroglyphs. I translate them personally because I don't trust existing translations. I then compare and contrast to make sure I'm kind of on the right path and not f****** it up. And then I make sure I check with other people. Usually I'll take, like, a phrase and be like, hey, can you who are from this area translate this for me? And then I'll see how accurate it is or whatever. So I just bounce it off of people without telling them what it is I'm bouncing off of so that they kind of unbiasedly give me an accurate translation.
Cristina: Awesome. Okay.
Jack: It's important that nobody has a perspective other than, hey, here's some data. Can you tell me what it says? Now, doing this process and hanging out in a couple of particularly sketchy locations where people share information that usually the government doesn't like being shared. But that's the only place to find a lot of this s***. Somebody told me, hey, you should perhaps look into this one specific thing if you're looking into this. And I was like, oh, thanks for the tip, Berta.
Cristina: What is that to him, Brad?
Jack: Well, that tip is. So how do I establish this? I guess let me start painting the picture first. The Isle of Man. It's an island, okay? It's an island that is between. Nestled. Nestled nicely between Great Britain and Ireland. Smack dab in the middle. Smack dab in the middle.
Cristina: Is that good?
Jack: I don't know. It's not important. This is. Okay, tell me where it is. Smack dab in the middle.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Between Great Britain and Ireland. Fine. It's also known simply as Man Two Ends. It's A small island. But the reason that he told me about this is because I was talking about some trees and s***. And so he tells me, like, bro, look into this. And as I'm looking into this, I stumbled upon something interesting. So, fun fact. Some Bukus Niagara called the elder tree. On average, most commonly referred to as an elder tree is called the Sambucus nigra. Fine. Okay. That's on the Isle of Man. It's a very interesting looking, bushy tree.
Cristina: How interesting?
Jack: It's not that interesting.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's just. It's a tree. It's definitely a tree.
Cristina: Okay, so it's not that interesting.
Jack: Like, I'll show you a photo.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: A quick, quick photo of it. See? Very basic, non impressive tree.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, it's a really bushy.
Jack: Yeah, very bushy tree. Okay. The Sambucus migra is often called the elder tree, but it's one of three trees that are more or less kind of the same looking. One of them is called Cratiagos, also known as the hawthorn tree. And the other is Fraxinus, known as the ash tree. Roughly all the same size, kind of more or less the same look, differences. One of them has a little berry that's kind of red looking. And one of them doesn't have anything. And the other one has these white flowers. So I stumbled upon these trees. I was like, cool. These are very dominant trees on the Isle of Man. Where it got interesting and where this individual was telling me to really look at was once I was in and looking at the trees and looking at some details about these trees, I stumbled upon a line that I was like.
Cristina: Whoa, what is it?
Jack: Well, all three of these trees are discussed. And I didn't catch it before because it was irrelevant. It's not mentioned as the Sambucus nigra. It's called elder tree. But I didn't catch this before. And it's described both in text and shown in hieroglyphics. The very tree you just saw in Egyptian hieroglyphs. Interesting. And they refer to it as the.
Cristina: Elder tree in Egypt.
Jack: In Egypt. Think about how f****** far Egypt is from that. From Great Britain.
Cristina: Yeah, okay, yeah, that's mentioned.
Jack: And I was like, okay, but so is the hawthorn tree referred to as the hawthorn tree, not as Kratiegus. But they don't know these technical names for them. Right? They don't know fraxinus. They know ash tree. All three of these trees are mentioned in. Briefly, just like once maybe in text and maybe once in hieroglyphs in Mayan. Hieroglyphs in Egyptian hieroglyphs and interestingly enough in Persian hieroglyphs.
Cristina: Stop lying. What?
Jack: And texts. Maybe once, maybe twice per each. All three of those, all three trees, all three civilizations. Interesting.
Cristina: That is interesting.
Jack: I found that very interesting. Now that was like, whoa, dude. Because it connected them to them. When I was going through the text and like, oh yeah, these people used to worship tree and these people used to talk about tree. I was like, okay, I know the real text. So it's like you guys are misconstruing. What? Like worship. Get. Get the f*** out of here. But like after I see, I'm like, oh s***, wait, hold on. Then I go look. And I'm like, oh, yeah, right, right. This is mentioned over here. It's not worshiped, but it is mentioned in all three civilizations under these other names. Elder and Hawthorne and ash. Hawthorne is more obscure. There's a couple of different variants of the spelling and a couple of different variants of the way to pronounce that one. But elder tree always means elder tree and ash tree always means ash tree. In fact, a lot of the time they refer to the ash tree as the tree of burnt or things like that. You would literally kind of think of the word ash in return for variants. But the same idea. But weirdly enough mentioned in old texts that exist in the Isle of Man and in words that I didn't know meant this, but cross referenced mean this in Mayan cultures, Egyptian cultures and Persian cultures have. And I don't know how the f*** I didn't catch this. This happens often. I need like it's. And once you know, you know. But until you.
Cristina: What is it?
Jack: Once you know, you know. And until you know, you don't really know what to look for. So it doesn't cross your mind. And when you have the cross reference, when you find the word over here and they use a similar word over there and you're like, oh, wait, this word means that? And you translate it and you're like, oh, this word means that.
Cristina: Are you talking about the names of these trees?
Jack: All three of these trees when spoken of together in all three civilizations. I didn't know they were being talked about all at the same time in all three civilizations. And in the Isle of Man. This I only knew after I found the text in the Isle of Man. I'm like, wait, but you talked about the individual trees. They talked about the individual trees. You mentioned them over here in the Isle of Man. And you give me the extra little piece. What if I Translate this, Which I did three times. They are known in every possible place you look as fairy trees.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It doesn't matter where the f*** you check. I just didn't know the word in those languages for fairy trees is different than finding them mentioning just fairies and different than finding them just mentioning trees. They have a. Yes. All three civilizations call them fairy trees. They have a single word for it, and it varies, and I don't know how to pronounce it in their individual languages, but they translate to fairy trees. They all have a word for fairy trees. Instead of the phrase fairy trees have a word that means fairy trees. So I didn't. There was just. Sometimes I come across words that, you know, whatever. Doesn't mean anything. It doesn't seem to connect. It has no influence, as far as I know.
Cristina: What does it mean? Like, did they think they had fairies or did they had ideas about fairies? I guess.
Jack: Did who have ideas about fairies?
Cristina: Egyptians and Mayans.
Jack: And, like, we just. We. For the last couple of weeks to months, we haven't been establishing the fact that they're all quite familiar with the concept of fairies.
Cristina: Well, we know that they have the snake, but that doesn't automatically mean they know about where the snake came from.
Jack: It looks like the goal that they're working on is to get into a realm that you think they don't know they're trying to get into.
Cristina: We don't know that that's what they're trying to do.
Jack: Well, it seems like now they definitely do know.
Cristina: Okay, now they do. But, like, before, like, there was no way of knowing.
Jack: Yeah. Or maybe the other. The argument could be that fairy doesn't mean fairies in any of those places. But all three, the Mayan, the Egyptian, and the Persians referred to the three trees together as fairy trees.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: That's just how they all referred to all of them when they were referring to them individually. I don't know which one is a tree of life, which one is the tree of Knowledge, and which one is the tree of flesh. I have no clue. But there were three trees, and you.
Cristina: Think that's what they are?
Jack: I don't know. These are essentially the fruits that were gathered from the forest. I think this is related. I think this is three trees.
Cristina: Yes. So his shortcut then took him to a different part of the world.
Jack: No, his. The. The trees in the forest of shadow.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Are in the shadow realm.
Cristina: Yes. But they're other. The part of them that's on the human side would be that.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Which he was not coming Across.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He was coming across the Shadow Realm side of them.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Because he was cutting through the shadow room. But the way that the Isle of. The people in the Isle of Man have described the. In their text, it translates directly to trees with roots that reach into the other world. It's a third different name for the Underworld. When you look at the description of what the otherworld is, it's the underworld. It's an obstructed version of our side. So we have the underworld, the Otherworld, and Shadow Realm all meaning the same thing.
Cristina: Well, why are they calling them fairy trees then? Because this all seems.
Jack: I will get to it.
Cristina: Oh, okay. I'm just saying.
Jack: Yeah, I'll get there.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: We're gonna get there. But the Otherworld is a different word for the Shadow Realm, which they claim that the trees have roots that reach into the other world. When I look into what they mean by the Otherworld, they're talking about a place similar to Earth. Twisted and dark, but peaceful and calm and like. Okay, yeah. Everybody else described the Shadow Realm and the underworld identically.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: So, okay, Otherworld, another word. It's kind of like when you watch the Walking Dead. And these guys are like, oh, yeah, they're walkers. And those guys, like the runners. And these guys are like, oh, freakers. And it's like, okay, so you're all talking about. Yeah, I'll talk about zombies. I don't want none of you. Like, I guess. Well, somebody explained it, right? It was the creator explained. They don't have any zombie media. Yeah. So this is their first zombie experience ever.
Cristina: Insane.
Jack: So how does this break down? Right. How do we come to these conclusions? The Isle of Man begins by calling them fairies. Fairy trees. That seems to be their strongest belief of it. Also, this name shows up in their ancient hieroglyphs, in their ancient drawings, in their ancient things, texts and whatnot. 6,500 years before Christ. Important. So let's veer off a little. Veer off a little from the fairy trees that they say already reached to the other side.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: I don't know why they're called fairy trees. I don't know why they're called fairy trees. They reach to the other side. They call them fairy trees. And for whatever reason, fairy trees reach into the shadow realm. We know the shadow realm isn't where the fairies are. Elfame is where the fairies are. What's happened anyways? Fairy forts.
Cristina: What's a fairy fort?
Jack: Also known as a ring fort. So there are two kinds of fairy forts. And I'll Explain what they are. So fairy forts are locations where fairy trees exist. And around the tree would be a circle that forms. In a natural fairy fort, either an indent would happen surrounding the tree, or the ground around it would rise somehow.
Cristina: Do you have pictures of this?
Jack: I will show you many.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: The ground around it will rise and surround the tree and be filled with trees itself, protecting the one tree in the middle. Natural fairy forts have trees surrounding it, and somehow the ground just comes up or down in that natural, almost a perfect circle. Nevertheless. Now, even if a fairy tree were to be cut down, the ring around it would remain flourishing seemingly indefinitely. Then we have man made fairy forts. Does that mean often made of stone to protect fairy trees, most often built around natural fairy forts, creating a sacred temple of sorts. But oftentimes, when a fairy fort doesn't happen naturally around the fairy tree, they would build one.
Cristina: Okay. There's pictures of those versions too.
Jack: So let me show you what fairy forts look like. They have no explanation for what's going on. Not the natural ones. Fairy forts, when you have a tree and the ground around the tree starts to warp. Not with roots. That does a different effect. A perfect ring around the trees. Odd, interesting, and ineffective when you're farming. What the is that? When you're trying to farm, it makes no sense to have a fairy fort. This is a natural fairy fort. This guy knocked down the tree and then built across it, and still the indent continued to get more aggressive, eventually rendering his property in that section absolutely useless for farming.
Cristina: Looks pretty cool.
Jack: Yeah. They have no f****** clue what the case is. Not a clue.
Cristina: These rings are only found in that.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: This is a natural. This is a man made fairy fort.
Cristina: That's a stone.
Jack: Yes.
Cristina: The tree was also removed.
Jack: The tree was also removed.
Cristina: It's just there. Like that. Looks so interesting.
Jack: Yes, it is. They're making a ring. When a ring doesn't naturally form. This is what happens when you knock down a tree and you're trying to farm, and then you come back two weeks later, and somehow trees that should have been taken 20, 30 years to grow are suddenly fully grown again.
Cristina: Story behind that.
Jack: Yes. It is supposed to be 20, 30 years to grow. The very trees that are now fully grown around where you just knocked the other tree.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: It's like, what the h***?
Cristina: So making knocking down the tree somehow.
Jack: More powerful, almost like protecting the region more.
Cristina: Mm
Jack: Unexplained. Yeah, it's pretty crazy.
Cristina: Crazy.
Jack: Here's another one. What's happening there in the center was the I'm assuming right here was a tree. And then this is a ring that they were trying. They were gonna build their own. You can see the outlines that they were gonna use. And then they come back and boom, it's already been. It did itself. They were planning to build a fort around it. And then it did itself. So the inner circle is where they were gonna build it. Then the out the. The foresty circle that happened. Just happened. And they were like, okay, let's then circle the outer circle. This is the outline before they built the man made fort. They're gonna build the man made for around the foresty area. There was no man, there was no natural fort inside. And they were like, okay, we're gonna surround the tree where the area where the tree used to be to protect the region. And then it naturally created one. And they were like, okay, we're just gonna close that up then to protect it. This was two fairy trees next to each other.
Cristina: And that's one in the back.
Jack: What, back here?
Cristina: No, right there.
Jack: Oh, over here? Yes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: There's just regions where there's a bunch of furry forts and they just happen. They're like, what the f*** is going on?
Cristina: Do people confuse these with like UFOs?
Jack: No, they. They're not. They're like fairies did this s***. Okay, this is a fair. This is related to fairy trees.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Factually.
Cristina: Because a lot of these, there's no tree. Like, they're just.
Jack: Well, they knocked down the tree planting the farm. Because a lot of people are like, oh, this is superstition. You guys are crazy. And then knock down the tree and then they come back like two, three days later after, you know, then it's gonna dry up and then whatever. And then this happens. They're like, what the fu.
Cristina: Wow, that is cool looking. So what do you think is happening?
Jack: I have no idea. I have no clue. They call them fairy trees. They claim that the roots connect to the shadow realm and then these things happen. Around fairy trees. There's exactly three variants that are different from each other, but exactly only three that cause these events. Only three. No more, no less. There are three different types of trees that do this, and the exact genotype of that tree that's doing this only exists on the elephant.
Cristina: But how do they relate to fairies? I mean. Yes, I see. I don't know. Like, we're assuming the fairies did this.
Jack: I don't know. Or the tree did this. I have no idea.
Cristina: Because, like the shadow realm, Are they doing this?
Jack: No.
Cristina: No.
Jack: Which presumably means on the Shadow realm. You can see the other side of this. Or you could see something that looks like this happening over there too. Because if you cut off the top, then the tree over there should be dying.
Cristina: Like, it could be fairies, but it could also be shadow realm creatures protecting their portals.
Jack: You think that, like, you could use the tree itself to teleport?
Cristina: No, I don't think we can, but I think they can. I don't know why they would want to protect it.
Jack: Yeah, it doesn't matter. They don't even know what's happening.
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: Fascinating, though. Yes, Natural and man made. So let's go back to when the first mentions of these fairy trees, all three of them show up 6,500 before Christ.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: So there is a man called Mananan from. From the Isle of Man.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: There's a man called Mananan, and he is said to be the protector by the people. By the Celtics, the people who lived on the island of the Isle of Man. He was referred to as the protector of the Isle of man since 6500 BC. Coincidence. Okay, whatever. Now let's get into what's really weird and the point of this guy telling me to come look at this. He has been referred to by the Celtics as. Every single one of these names I had to confer, confirm and find in other sources to be sure I'm not just hallucinating at this point. He has been referred to as the sea God, the God from the sea, the man from the sea, son of the sea, the guardian sent from the sea, and most importantly, the guardian sent from the sea people.
Cristina: None of this makes sense. I don't know what's happening. It's so confusing. How's the sea related? Fairy related? This is the first mention we have.
Jack: A sea person outside related.
Cristina: But all of it, all of it's related.
Jack: All of it's related to these things.
Cristina: And I don't know what these things. Are these their people? Is it their people? Is it their people? Like, whose are these?
Jack: I have no f****** clue what's happening.
Cristina: Anymore because it could be his.
Jack: I don't know.
Cristina: Maybe the sea people. This is like them testing out portals, dude.
Jack: 6500 BC. There's no way. Yes, 100, has to be. There's no way the people of f****** the Isle of Man were in contact with the f******. There's no way these people were naturally communicating. I feel so crazy researching this. Dude. Dude. Governments, religions, there's so much doing a weird suppressive effort about some s*** that seems absolutely Ridiculous and magical. That it's like, f***, is this happening? Yeah, Bro. Bro. I feel nuts looking at half of this s***. It's like, bro, are you kidding me?
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Like, what.
Cristina: What is happening?
Jack: Like, what the f***?
Cristina: These trees are. We can see that they have a lot of energy in them.
Jack: Yes. There's something special.
Cristina: There's something special. They're being used for energy somehow.
Jack: Somehow. Well, no, we were creating energy. We're saving energy, and we're storing energy and we're transporting energy without the trees. Trees are some other s***.
Cristina: But I think this is. Maybe this is their testing ground for some earlier portals. I don't know, because we know they have to be on hills. And these things are like, lift. Like, they're. You know, they're starting. They're probably starting off flat ground and they're building themselves up like their own mountain. Like, if you left it there long enough, we'll come back. They're just mountains.
Jack: Interesting. You think they're gonna get more complicated over time? No, these are old. These are really old.
Cristina: Well, these are the prototypes of their port mountain portals, I guess.
Jack: I mean, here's the problem. Here's the problem. Some of them are old. Some of them are new. There's. There's range. There's range. Some of them have shown up, like a hundred years ago. Some of them are, like 3,000 years old. And they kind of all look the same.
Cristina: Yeah. Look the same. Okay. And it's off because of these specific trees.
Jack: Yes. Trees that should have died a million years ago are still perfectly alive surrounding some of these rings. It doesn't make sense. The people of the place are just used to it. They're just like. Oh, yeah.
Cristina: They call it fairies.
Jack: Fairy forts.
Cristina: They all call it fairy forts.
Jack: But I don't all call it fairy.
Cristina: Forts if it's related to fairies specifically.
Jack: Well, let me elaborate, that we know that the Persians absolutely know about fairies. The Persians are the sea people.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Well, the sea people are the Persians. The Persians aren't.
Cristina: But if their goal is to go to fairies, like, they call these fairy forts because they're the ones making them to get to the fairies. But it has nothing to do with actual fairies.
Jack: I don't know if that's necessarily true.
Cristina: There's no proof of that.
Jack: No, we know that they know what fairies are, and we know that they refer to the trees of fairy trees and the forts as fairy forts. I. I cannot tell you more than that.
Cristina: Does anyone mention seeing fairies around these things?
Jack: Well, it's the region of our Planet, the most exciting of fairies ever.
Cristina: Never mind. That doesn't help. That doesn't help.
Jack: Now let me tell you more about Mananan. An important individual.
Cristina: Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's the sea man, right?
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Apparently a sea person.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: To send this farther home. This is their beliefs of the sea person. Because it could just be a coincidence, right? They're just saying words.
Cristina: Sure. Okay.
Jack: He is said to have a horned horse that can walk on water.
Cristina: Stop lying ain't, bro.
Jack: On the flip side, he said to have a boat that can self navigate, AKA autopilot. So techno. He has a ship. He just has a ship, dude.
Cristina: A book, a boat. Oh, boats. Boats. Okay.
Jack: He has a ship. A weird futuristic like normal current day now navigational boat that they in the past were like, wow. It self navigates?
Cristina: Yeah, this is.
Jack: He just had advanced technology visibly with him. And then a unicorn checks out. Okay, so this is just a C person. Yes, like a hundred percent.
Cristina: There's no way he's not.
Jack: There's no way he's not like everything they believe about him tells you he's a C person.
Cristina: How is this? What?
Jack: I don't know, dude. I'm so lost at this point. I'm just. I am so annoyed by this entire, like, what the is happening? Why?
Cristina: I don't know.
Jack: What is the point of hiding all of this?
Cristina: What are. I don't know.
Jack: But I guess they're the ones doing the hiding effort. It's not like our government, anyone in our government working to hide. This is part of them. Yeah, somehow. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever, dude. Ah, it gets so much weirder.
Cristina: It didn't just get weirder. What?
Jack: It's f****** weird, dude. Okay, so it said out in the Atlantic Ocean there is an island, Elysium, which if you follow their descriptions of the islands, they're talking about Bimini. Because the island has a path that leads straight to a sacred land of Mananan's people. It sounds like the stone path underneath the ground, underneath the water. The ocean. The Atlantic Ocean, they say. The Atlantic f****** Ocean, by the way. They call it Elysium. They believe that you ascend into the heavens and that that's just over there in the Atlantic Ocean somewhere. And that there's an island. Somehow heaven goes underwater and you reach heaven. Sweet. Great, bro.
Cristina: That is so complicated. They're worshiping the sea person.
Jack: I have heard. Well read. I've read the word Elysium in everything I've ever read. Elysium is to everybody heaven or paradise or salvation or something along those lines. A really utopian paradise of sorts.
Cristina: It's like on earth. It's a heaven on earth type of thing.
Jack: Some people describe it as heaven on earth, like the Celtics. Some people describe it as literally heaven.
Cristina: Okay?
Jack: But it's this. It's paradise of sorts. It's a perfect paradise. Persians mention it, Mayans mention it. The. The. The Egyptians mention it, Christians mention it, the Hindu mention it. Every. Everybody believes in Elysium. That's really, really interesting for a single detail that blew my f****** mind. Because after this one piece, when you go back and look at all the rest of it, I'm like, oh my God. So we're thinking incorrectly. This is gonna correct a lot of the s*** we thought. Okay, so again, it's set out in the Atlantic Ocean. There's an island, Elysium, with a path that leads straight to the sacred lands of. Of Mananan's people. The Celtics refer to the Sea People not only as the Sea People, but as Elysians.
Cristina: I don't know if that means anything to me.
Jack: I will repeat that. Every culture I have ever read about has claimed to know about Elysium.
Cristina: This is weird because everyone talks about the Sea People and you're now saying that they're the same.
Jack: The Elysium, Elysians and the Sea People are the same. Yes. But everyone know them Elysium as a place. If they're discussing the Sea People. Well, actually Elysium at all times. Everybody discusses Elysium as a place.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Some people mention Elysians. Really rarely. Usually the. The Celtics, where I saw that they literally did a one to one. Oh yeah, the Sea People. They're the Elysians. But everyone talks about Elysium. Even if only some people refer to the Sea people. Maybe not a lot of people know them as the Sea People.
Cristina: But any other people see the Sea People as Elysians?
Jack: Well, they discuss. Yeah, they think of them as gods. They think of Gaudius God.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Gods die and they go to Elysium. It's like. That makes sense when you think of the rank of the Sea People relative to the rest of these guys.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Gods see the Sea People as gods because the Sea People are that much more advanced than the most advanced thing you know of.
Cristina: But those things might be Sea people. I don't know. No.
Jack: What do you mean?
Cristina: Like they could be related somehow.
Jack: Who?
Cristina: The gods that aren't really gods at all. They're just people, Just way more advanced people.
Jack: The Egyptians and the Mayans. Yes.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: But we can confirm that they have had literal interaction with the sea people. Mentioning that they've literally gotten information technology.
Cristina: Yeah, but like the people that the Greeks. Those gods are. Those.
Jack: They are not. They literally, in their own text, say that the sea people are their enemies.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: They have conflict all the time.
Cristina: Do you think the gods are shadow people?
Jack: No, they're just highly advanced civilizations.
Cristina: Okay. From Earth still.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Many highly advanced civilizations exist throughout Earth.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: But there are some particularly advanced civilized. Keep in mind that these civilizations we're talking about that relate to the sea people have other ways of achieving immortality. While the Greek gods get there through adrenochrome and the Norse gods get there through adrenochrome. Like everybody else seems to kind of take the same path because they don't have whatever the sea people have and they're sharing with their homies. Okay, but everybody else is just Earth people.
Cristina: Yeah, I see.
Jack: Yeah. They're just. They developed around more or less the same time as some of these other really highly advanced. But they didn't get the help. Somehow they started beef with the sea people. Now, other things that are interesting relative to this that confirm this guy is in fact a sea person. He is said to use a mist of invisibility to cloak the whereabouts of his home. That checks out with what the sea view can do.
Cristina: We heard about that.
Jack: Making a coffin visible.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: The palace of Alcaraz invisible. The Atlantic Atlantis, invisible.
Cristina: Yeah. It's everywhere.
Jack: Or hiding it or protecting it with a barrier. There is an island named Iman Albach, which, using this power of invisibility, he also hides.
Cristina: Okay. An island.
Jack: An island. Interesting. Like I said, it's gonna get way weirder. Iman Albash translates to. Weirdly enough, this somehow just almost translates the exact same thing. Emhain of the Apples. What described in Celtic scripture as scripture is kind of, I guess, mythology in order to differentiate between scripture, but Celtic mythological writing as a paradise island.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: Which contains a city called Cruithan Naquan. Said to be a sophisticated, scientifically advanced godly island. Of course, where Mononon lives. He's not alone. There is a settlement, a different city. Of sea people.
Cristina: Yeah, Well, I guess it wouldn't make sense. They all live in one location.
Jack: Not if they're running different experiments.
Cristina: No, there's too many. Yeah.
Jack: And if you found a place that has its own. Now, let's say. Let's remind ourselves that this begins in 6500 BC. But we can trace the sea people up until 10,000 BC. So they got crazy levels of technology, found the apples created Adam and Eve and then began the future experiments that would lead to Jesus. Somewhere halfway through that point established the city. This city is about researching those trees.
Cristina: Yes. What is he doing on that island though? That's related somehow. Ah. Just happen to have the island of tree right there. And these trees have to somehow be related.
Jack: Well, let's continue diving into weirder s***.
Cristina: Okay. What is weirder? Okay.
Jack: Once I found Mana Non it like hit the wall with a bunch of weird s***. He was said to be the guardian of a local gate to the other world.
Cristina: Of course.
Jack: Of course. Not only that. Just a few sentences later, it also mentions a familiar fellow.
Cristina: What?
Jack: He was asked by a being named Season to protect the otherworld gate to the Overworld. Sizen is the Mayan shadow creature with his that's considered to be the ruler of the Shadow Realm. That is also mentioned by the Sumerians who are the ancient Persians and claim that he personally knew El.
Cristina: I'm so confused. Does the gate have to do with this island of Man? Or is it in that island with the other trees? No apples. I don't. What? I don't know.
Jack: Additionally, it is believed that Mananan frequently traveled between the Shadow Realm and the Earth realm.
Cristina: Of course he did. On this island of man. He is using these trees somehow.
Jack: Or knowing that this is the other side to the trees, he has a gate. Because again, there's an entire civilization running experiments. They might have built a gates anywhere who knows where. That's allowing them to get to the Shadow, the Forest of Shadows and interact with both trees on the Overworld and the underworld.
Cristina: I guess he's not really doing anything with these trees. I mean, he's maybe experimenting because he's experimenting with the trees on the other side. So maybe he's seeing the effects on whatever he's doing on that side on this side. Or what happens in this side to that side. Like, you know, experimenting. Okay. What?
Jack: Yep. Yep. It got weird.
Cristina: It got weird.
Jack: It got weird once that. Good tip, bro. This guy told me to look in this direction. I was like holy crap. It said Susan. I don't know how the h***. Dude, that's such a Mayan name. I don't know how the Sumerians mentioned him. I don't know how now a bunch of white people in between Ireland and Britain had the same combination of words saying it exactly the same way. I don't understand, bro. What?
Cristina: It makes sense, I guess. I don't know.
Jack: It makes sense. It makes sense narrative wise. It doesn't make Sense why these people would mention him by name using that very name. Like how? You didn't. There's no way you were contacting these people. How do you have the same words, but you'd say it the same way in their letters? It creates the same sound when you read it. Like what?
Cristina: That's weird.
Jack: That is weird.
Cristina: All of this is weird.
Jack: Now, Mananan was known for having a strong dislike for what he referred to as common humans.
Cristina: Really?
Jack: Yeah. And he refrained from contacting them as often as possible.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He disagreed with using common humans to enforce Catholicism in the form of the Knights Templar. He had a direct disagreement with that. That was mentioned in a lot of their texts.
Cristina: I disagreed with the Sea Peoples.
Jack: He disagreed with them using normal people to enforce it. Okay, this is gonna go somewhere even weirder. He disagreed with employing common humans to develop Catholicism through priests and nuns. He did not like using common humans. He was kind of a racist according to Celtic texts.
Cristina: Why was this religion important to him?
Jack: Well, no, he just didn't like normal people.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: He's like, they're beneath us. Why are we bothering? But obviously there would be people of all types within the Sea People.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Now we're finally seeing that. Because we don't get opinions from people often. We just did this or did that. Yeah, this guy had opinions and people recorded that. I like that we getting some personality from this guy. Now this is interesting because it uses this word again. When the Elysians enlisted a man known as St. Patrick to enforce Catholicism near Mananan's territory in Ireland, he was strongly against it.
Cristina: What? St. Patrick.
Jack: But the Elysians ignored Mananan's request to reconsider because he refused to interact with the commoner humans on average. And somebody has to enforce it, and you're not doing it. And as a result, left the humans. By not interacting with them, you left the humans curious and searching for answers they should not have been looking for. Because we're trying to suppress everything we are doing. You are not doing your part in suppressing. They're searching for those answers. You're just blatantly traveling on a f****** ship that self navigates that they should not be seeing.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: You're hanging around on a unicorn that should no longer exist. You're doing things that shouldn't be the case. So we need somebody. We're not going to demote you. We're not unranking you. But somebody needs to do the work that you're not doing.
Cristina: So they get St. Patrick.
Jack: So St. Patrick gets enlisted for this and it specifically says that many of them began to notice occurrences of even, quote, fairy activity, unquote. Hence the need for St. Patrick.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: And shadow realm activity. And some even took note of Mananan because they weren't told what to believe. Now, because of this, like, because of their dislike of one another, St. Patrick often told stories of how he easily defeated Mananan in combat to disgrace his name, of course. So Mananan would talk.
Cristina: The St. Patrick thing to do, though. He would do that.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: He defeated all the monsters.
Jack: Yeah. Defeated all the monsters. And he was a big. The great talker. Which also brings into account now the. The. The Alicians didn't care about. Do whatever you want. Just convince them of we're not real.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I don't care how you do it. Do the f****** thing. Convince them Catholicism. Yes. See, people know the only rules. The rest is yours. It goes to tell us that it's very likely and possible that the story of St. Patrick Strong army in Jehovah is just some bullshit he came up with. Because according to the very Celtic texts. Oh, yeah, he was just doing random s***. St. Patrick falls under a saint that was essentially a trickster.
Cristina: But it's kind of weird because St. Patrick's bullied the story of St. Patrick talking to God, that he bullies him into being the person who protects the gate. And then there's this guy on the island that he's talking about that he defeated who is also protecting a gay.
Jack: Yeah.
Cristina: Like, did he twist that story and turn into a Christian story?
Jack: All the stories. The idea was just convince him Catholicism good. See, people don't. Real simple. Simple. See people don't. Real Catholicism. Good.
Cristina: Okay. So they did not give him powers to live forever.
Jack: It seems that he might have lied about all of these things.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: His. He was given full reign. Do whatever the you want. Don't interfere with our projects, and we will let you say whatever the h*** you want so long as you convince him we don't exist and that Catholicism is the only right way.
Cristina: All right.
Jack: He probably made the story of him strong arming Jehovah up, because who cares? You know, they're gonna take care of me no matter what.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: I'm a normal, average human could do whatever the h*** he wants. But according to Celtic text, they're not eating this s***. They're aware. They know.
Cristina: Okay. Yeah.
Jack: Of course they knew he was full of s***.
Cristina: Okay. But today we're like, yeah, that's right.
Jack: Yeah. Because the narrative worked and it got reinforced and he got added to things. And again, all the different stories. Which then tells us something very interesting. How is he any different from the Knights Templar? How are any of the ancient saints different from the Knights Templar? If they're quite goal was to correct the narrative. St. Patrick might have just been a Knight Templar.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: As well as all the other saints.
Cristina: Of that time, I guess.
Jack: With the exception of the ones hanging out with Jesus.
Cristina: Why?
Jack: Because they were Jesus's homies.
Cristina: Oh, okay. Yeah, I guess because Jesus is something else.
Jack: Except St. Peter, who is recruited. Peter considered one of the two traitors by Jesus.
Cristina: Okay.
Jack: You see how that works? Oh, and then he's used to do what? Create Catholicism that does what wrecks the story of Jesus. Oh, you traitor.
Cristina: Perfect. Okay, that makes sense. Weird.
Jack: Weird.
Cristina: There's a lot happening here.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: Wow. You answered a lot of questions.
Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Look, I'm not going to drop any names because a lot of these people I interact with hang out on sketchy websites. They don't want to. Like, why. Why would you mention me?
Cristina: How did they even. Did they hear episodes or you just know?
Jack: I was asking a couple of questions. They're from one of these countries that speak these languages natively and I was asking, like, can you. I'd done my own translation and I proposed the English version. Can you translate this? I mean, I propose the original version. Told them to translate it to English. Don't, like, can you translate this without telling them? I already have a translation that I've done. I'm trying to see how close I get.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: And when, you know, in reading. They must read it in order to translate. They'll read it themselves. Oh, yeah, it means this or whatever. And in looking at, you know, I bounced a couple of lines off of this individual and they're like, oh, if you're doing some research relative to this. Because I hang out in some pretty good cool places where people know not to ask questions because they themselves are usually looking kind of for information in the same manner, shape or form. Where they'll be like, you know, there's some sketchy s*** here. I need a third perspective real quick. But, you know, shut the f*** up and don't ask much. And like. Yeah, okay, cool. So it's kind of a mutual agreement, unspoken rule. We're not going to dive too deep. But hey, if you're looking into the.
Cristina: Thing, here's something else. It just happens perfectly to what we're already doing.
Jack: Well, it's part of a similar belief system that they already have. And they're like, hey, if this he I don't think he knew how connected it would be. He's like, but if you're looking into this, it seems like this might be relative. Just in case. You might want to check this out. He just said the Isle of Man and he gave me manana. I was like, okay, sure, I'll look in. And I was like, oh, dude, what the h***?
Cristina: Insane. How much.
Jack: Just some C person. His name lines up perfectly with something that would exist primarily out there in Persia, as opposed to the Celtic like, bro, you're telling me Celtics had a dude called Mananan? Tell me. They had the most Persian dude and the most Mayan dude simultaneously in text. It's like, what, these white people way up here?
Cristina: I mean, a unicorn.
Jack: Unicorn, which is very Greek.
Cristina: What is happening?
Jack: What is happening, Patrick? Well, yeah, that one makes sense. It's right next to Ireland.
Cristina: Yeah, but still, I wouldn't expect St Patrick to be involved in this. Like, what?
Jack: Yep, yep, yep, yep. I don't know, man. I don't know.
Cristina: I knew he was involved somehow, but this way.
Jack: Yeah, but it also helps enlighten his story.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Because the story is essentially bullshit.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: He lied. He's a liar.
Cristina: He's a liar. Yeah.
Jack: But of course he's full of s***. He's clearly full of s***. He's just some dude hired to do whatever the f***. But it tells us more about other saints and tells us about Knights Templar. And it enlightened us about Peter.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Peter is considered a traitor because Peter is no different than the Knights Templar. Peter is obviously there to correct Catholicism, which we're fully aware of. And Jesus was not down with us.
Cristina: So. Crazy.
Jack: So the trader, along with John. John and Peter. Traitors.
Cristina: Yeah. What is happening on the island?
Jack: What is happening on the island? Definitely it immediately they mentioned technology and a gate to the underworld.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: And like science experiments. They have more than one place. They have their. Their main headquarters, their city, where their people live. And then they have this science settlement that has been established here for God knows how long.
Cristina: Fairies. Why fairies? They don't call it the underwear world. They don't relate it to the underworld.
Jack: They do.
Cristina: They do.
Jack: They specifically do. They say that the trees literally have roots that connect to the other world. And they say that Mananan frequently travels to and from the other world, but.
Cristina: He probably didn't plant those trees. You think the fairies planted those trees?
Jack: No, I think somehow those trees are a something. There's something. I have no idea what the f*** these trees are, bro. I have no idea. It's so weird. The tree. I guess that's where we have to be looking. The trees are more important than everything else we've seen because that's where the biggest questions are left. This is what we'll do. On average, we'll chase whatever the biggest question is at any given moment.
Cristina: Okay? Because if the trees are related to the fairies, then that's really weird. If the fairies gave both us and the underworld, they planted those trees, okay?
Jack: Somehow they are a gate to the fairy world. Somehow, because we know. We f****** know that we only exist as we are now because of the Tree of Life and the Tree of Knowledge. And that Jesus was op as f*** because he included the Tree of Flesh. And that somehow the goal of all three fruits, Adam and Eve, combined with Mary and the DNA of Jehovah to artificially inseminate her and create something, was in order to cross into Elfhame, the fairy world.
Cristina: And.
Jack: And that this was again tried by the Jews many years later with Joseph the Golem. There is an obvious attempt to get into the fairy world. And somehow these f****** trees have been concluded as a way, I guess because you can use them to cross into the shadow realm. They're concluding that perhaps maybe there's a way. But it doesn't. It also doesn't seem that there's proof.
Cristina: There has to be proof. We gotta find it.
Jack: Because some. They're convinced.
Cristina: Convinced.
Jack: They're convinced.
Cristina: So there must be proof like this.
Jack: And there's no, like reason. Right. There's no way they all believe that this connects to the fairy world and there's no reason. And then they're referred to.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: As fairy trees.
Cristina: Yeah. There's gotta be something related to the.
Jack: Fairies in the place where people believe in fairies the most.
Cristina: No, it's somehow.
Jack: Somehow it's connected. Somehow it's connected. In the place where people believe in fairies the most, there are trees that are called fairy trees. They erect fairy forts. And that the very trees that seemed to be the other side of shadow realm trees and somehow exists in the overworld, AKA the realm of Earth. And that El took the Tree of Life to create Adam and then later created Eve. And then Jehovah took both those fruits plus a fruit of flesh and then used that plus his DNA plus Adam plus Eve to artificially inseminate Mary in an attempt to create Jesus. That could be a being that perhaps might bridge the gap to the fairy world. You must have a reason for this. Is it just because they were called fairy trees beforehand? Who the f*** knows?
Cristina: There must be something Going on.
Jack: There must be a reason they're called fairy trees.
Cristina: Yes.
Jack: Before they were called fairy trees. That's the focal point. Now something about these trees will give us the answer.
Cristina: That's why that guy was shown these trees. Like the shadow realm person found this guy. It was in some accident. I don't think so. Who else is he? The original one.
Jack: L is the Ancient sea person.
Cristina: Okay. Yes.
Jack: Who meets Susan.
Cristina: Susan. Yeah. There was a plan way, way long. That long ago.
Jack: Here's.
Cristina: Okay, Susan knew something.
Jack: Yes. So you're telling me that because Susan does join the Earth gods.
Cristina: Exactly.
Jack: So you're telling me the argument here is Sizen knew that the sea people had at least the capacity for greater science. We don't know that. L was a scientist. There's nothing telling us about that. But at least the capacity for something greater. Or maybe l said something. Maybe he was an ancient kind of scientist. The way we have the old school.
Cristina: Like, yeah, he's not as advanced as the science sea people, but like science minded.
Jack: He was science minded.
Cristina: Yeah.
Jack: Experiment and Size knew something about this. So then the argument is that the mastermind behind all of this was. Was never the sea people.
Cristina: No, it was size. Yeah, it was size. I don't know. Then we have to find something on Susan. I don't know how that's possible.
Jack: We have to find something on either.
Cristina: On the fairy trees or Sizen. Or both somehow. Yeah, because he's related both to both. To both trees. I mean, they're all the same tree. It doesn't matter. 2 He's related. It all started with him.
Jack: Man. I don't know. I don't know. It's crazy.
Cristina: I think that's where we gotta go. If that's not. It's somewhere around there.
Jack: It has to be. It has to be. There's a whole settlement established here. Also. We gotta be looking into Elysium.
Cristina: Yes. Maybe that will also tell us more about Adam and Eve.
Jack: Yes, because that's the name other people have for where the sea people are. Some people say Atlantis, some people say Elysium.
Cristina: Yeah, we'll find out so much. Okay. That was so much.
Jack: That was so much. Yes. This guy gave a single tip and.
Cristina: It was like, oh, my gosh.
Jack: Yep.
Cristina: We found out so much. It's so crazy. I don't understand. But there's something there. There's something like right there. These trees aren't just some random trees.
Jack: They're not. They're absolutely not, bro. They must have seen something there. There must be something that's convincing them. Why are they called fairy trees? What did they see?
Cristina: What did Susan see?
Jack: What did Susan see? What does Susan know about these trees? That's the main question.
Cristina: He knows something about these trees for sure. He's the one that wants them all to experiment with these trees.
Jack: At least he could, man. It could be equal parts. It could be equal parts. Maybe. Because why? What was the point if Susan already knew? Why didn't he just begin? No, he came across L. L must have said something along the lines of, well, you know, I know this place and I'm trying to figure out a way there. And Susan is like, well, well maybe.
Cristina: L introduced him to the fairy trees. Maybe Susan only knew about Shadow Realm.
Jack: Forest of Shadow version.
Cristina: Yes. Like maybe he didn't know about. I mean he knew about Earth, but how much did he know about Earth before he talked to this man? L?
Jack: It depends where El was. L is a C person, but that doesn't mean he originally began in the Persian Gulf oasis. There was migration happening f****** everywhere.
Cristina: So is it possible? Who knows? Maybe they both some kind of trait of information. There's something there. I don't know.
Jack: Because we know Sizen knew about the Forest of Shadows. He told El about that man. Whatever. The Ancients, there's a lot happening right there, but there's so little information. The further back we go, the less we have.
Cristina: But the answers are there. Everything starts from them too.
Jack: Yes, they are mentioned by everything and everything comes back ultimately to them too. There must be some. Some explanation that somebody has. Which means looking at ancient Persians, AKA the Sumerians.
Cristina: Yes, and also looking back at the information. But what's his name? L. I know we've been through.
Jack: Oh, that's from looking at the Sumerians.
Cristina: Yeah. Okay, because we looked through his past before too, but it through religious eyes, I guess through the Christian Bibles version of O.
Jack: Well, everything we know of him right now is cross referenced through that, but I got him from the Sumerians.
Cristina: Oh, okay.
Jack: I was all looking at Samaritan stuff so I'm going to have to see what I miss from the Sumerians and bounce them off of other.
Cristina: Yeah, because there's got to be more.
Jack: There's got to be more. Something about L and S reveals true answers. Yeah, and also see people elsewhere. Bro, we found it. We've talked about. Oh no, they have to expand or something. Or something.
Cristina: They can't just. We always assume like they. It can't. That can't be their only home.
Jack: It can't Be.
Cristina: Can't just be one.
Jack: It wasn't.
Cristina: It wasn't.
Jack: That's what we have. That's what's going on.
Cristina: Beautiful. It's nuts. It's definitely nuts.
Jack: And Susan got mentioned again, huh?
Cristina: That's crazy.
Jack: That's nuts. That's the most Mayan name under the freaking sun. And the most Persian name ever is Mananan, bro. How the h*** are you? Just some Celtic white people? Like, oh, yeah, Mananan is up there. What?
Cristina: The sea, man.
Jack: The Seaman Monanam. The freaking seaman, bro. His unicorn. F***, bro.
Cristina: Ridiculous.
Jack: But, yeah, that's the case. Anyways. Anyways, anybody, please, if you. If you know. If you know, you know, please tell us what you know. Please tell us if you got any point of view on any of this, bro, if you're undicking anything, if you did some research and stumbled upon some s*** and you're like, hey, guys, maybe you should look at this thing.
Cristina: Mm.
Jack: Like, please tell me. Help. Enlighten. What the. You got perspective. Share that s*** to whatever, dude. Yeah, anything works. This is absolutely crazy. Anyways, anyways, you could reach us to do that on all our socials. Find us on Tick Tock, Talk, on X, on Instagram, on Facebook, US ConvoPod on all of those locations.
Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate, and review the show.
Jack: Yes. And tell people. Please tell people, if you know experts in any of this, if you know people who are good at translating. So whatever. Let's build a community and figure this out.
Cristina: Yeah, let's do it. This has been the Rambling Podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening.
Jack: Bye.
Cristina: Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.in fox, art by 0lupo and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.