Rambling 304: Important History Facts You Arent Taught
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In this episode of The Rambling Podcast, hosts Jack and Cristina dive headfirst into the origins of Google, the evolution of search engines, and the absurdity of modern technology. They discuss how Google transformed from its humble beginnings to a climate action advocate while questioning its actual age and mission. Along the way, they explore the history of fast food, comparing McDonald's and White Castle, and ponder the mysteries of hot dogs and sausages. Expect a wild ride through conspiracy theories, pop culture references, and a healthy dose of humor as they attempt to connect the dots between seemingly unrelated topics.
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Topics Discussed
The Origins of Google
Fast Food History: McDonald's vs. White Castle
The Evolution of Search Engines
Hot Dogs and Sausages: An Unexpected Debate
The Matrix and John Wick: Are They Connected?
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Rambling 304: Important History Facts You Arent Taught
Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised. Jack: Going live in 5, 4. Cristina: What does live mean? Jack: Welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I am your host, Jack. Cristina: And I am your host, Cristina. Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideals. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Anyways, what were we talking about? Cristina: About Google. Jack: Google, dude, we don't know where Google came from. So what was the thing? What were you saying? Cristina: Oh, that. You were saying something about that they've been trying to help the environment for 30 years. Jack: Oh, yeah. They're not old enough and yeah, oh yeah. The bottom of the Google page, it says, our third decade of climate action. Join us. Cristina: You don't think Google's old enough to have been doing it for 30 years? Jack: I mean, I was thinking about it. It just means that they would just fall back to 1995 and that they would be some really, like, basic level of, of like, search engine. Assuming they were a search engine to begin with. Because some people were. Other things. Like Amazon wasn't what it is now. It was a bookstore. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You know, it was an online bookstore. That's it. Cristina: Google, I think, I would guess. Jack: And it was like competing with Yahoo and aim, right? Cristina: Who? Google. Jack: Google. Like it was coming into a fresh new world where a bunch of like, OGs have been standing their ground since like two people connected two wires and were like, wow, a message. Cristina: Yeah. The first Internet thing I remember was aol. Jack: Yeah, me too. Yep, AOL first, then Yahoo, then. Yeah, then Yahoo and then Google. But I never used the oil to search. Cristina: No, it was always there. Jack: It was always there, but I never used it and I never use. They had like a. Yeah, they had their, like messenger and chat rooms. That's what I used AIM for. Cristina: Yes. I also used it, I think, for games. I think there's like a child's version of it. Like there's the adult version, I guess, and the child's version and the child version of aol. Like children stuff. Interesting kid friendly things. Jack: Kid friendly things. Cristina: If my memory is correct, I'm. I'm not sure. Jack: I have no idea either. We're gonna go off entirely off of our heads right now. When we want to search, the ability is present, but we don't have to. And we can conclude. Cristina: But Google is. Jack: Hey, how. How old do you think Google is? Cristina: 35 years. Jack: Google? You think Google is 35 years? Cristina: I think Google is 40 years. Jack: Google's 40 years. Cristina: Is that a stretch? Jack: Okay, okay, okay, fair enough. Let's see let's see how logical we can be and how close we can zone in based entirely on the fact that this. The Google exists, I suppose. What's the information we have? They said 30 years they've been doing it. Cristina: So you think they've been around 30 years? Jack: I guess they've been around 30 years. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Because they haven't just. They didn't just show up and immediately. Cristina: That's what I was thinking, like, yeah, first thing was like, we're gonna. What was it? Protect the environment while also being a search engine. Like, who knows? Maybe that was their origin. And we just don't know that. Jack: That'd be very interesting. That'd be very interesting. So your counter argument for the origin of Google is they were originally a green Earth movement that somehow became a search engine, probably to give people information relative to green Earth or something. Cristina: I doubt it. I seriously doubt it. Yeah, let's go with that. Jack: Wait, you doubt it? Then what's. Cristina: You. Jack: What do you think it could be? Cristina: They must be older than that. I think maybe they eventually decided to do that, but I doubt that they just started off like, yes, we're gonna help the environment and also Google. Jack: But then the question is, what in the h*** is. Or what could they have been before being a search engine? Cristina: They were a search engine. I don't know. Jack: You think they were just a search engine and that they were somehow just like. Like, it would be like the people who didn't invest in Bitcoin when it was like, really low, measly garbage. Like, put 10 bucks, you'd be filthy. You're good. You're good forever. Had you put 10 bucks. People who put thousands. Oh, my God. But really, a lot of people were like, whatever, dude. Cristina: Mm. Jack: It's gonna be like that. Cristina: What do you mean? What do you mean it's gonna be like that? Jack: The search engines. Cristina: Oh, because you think it could have started off as a search engine? Jack: I think. Fire engines. I think that it didn't begin as a search engine, though. Cristina: What do you think? I think something related to technology. Jack: Technology, you think maybe they were some sort of. Okay, let's take Origins, for example. Think of Nintendo. Take Nintendo and the fact that Nintendo was a playing cards company. Cristina: I think Google was like a computer, maybe could. Jack: Maybe Google was trying to compete with the original computers. Interesting. Cristina: I don't know. Is that what you think, though? Jack: I don't know. I don't know. What information do we have? What does Google do now? That is hefty. No, it doesn't tell us anything because Amazon changed so crazily from what it was doing. Cristina: Yes. And Google has stayed the same, as far as I know. Jack: As far as you know? Cristina: As far as I know. Jack: But did you know it was as old as 30 years? Cristina: I would have guessed that. Would you? Jack: Oh, s***, I would not. Fair enough if you just. I guess because then you got to think about like, who was the first? Who were among the first. Cristina: Yeah. Like it's not that old. Jack: But then you think of the fact that all the other ones are dead. Jack: And it's like you would have just. I would have concluded, oh, it's just some relic of the past and some better modern technology replace everything from them. Cristina: So you think it's newer or older? Jack: Well, now I'm conflicted because 30 years, I'm assuming. I don't think. Think they began as a climate movement. So they must have been something ahead of being a climate movement that was. Cristina: Outside of being an search engine as well, though. Jack: I mean, I guess, I guess them not having been a climate movement does not have anything to do with them not having been a search engine. I just think that maybe they also transitioned into being a search engine from being something different. Cristina: I don't know. They could have been the search engine forever. We could find out that they've been around for 80 years or something. Jack: Interesting how that's possible. No, that would have been a clean transition from like radio or newspaper. For some reason, something adapted. If that's the case, they're around. If Google is around 50 to 100 years, somehow in one manner, shape or form, then it transitioned over and over from being in some primitive other form like radio. Cristina: I don't think so. I think it's new. I mean, it's not new, but it's for. It's. I think it was an engine. I don't know, that's. I just think you think it was. Jack: A search engine to begin with. Cristina: Yeah, it was around probably. When did McDonald's come to be? Jack: McDonald's came to be. I think I would. I'm gonna argue McDonald's came around the 40s. Cristina: Oh, crap. No, okay. I don't think that old. When did it become a fast food restaurant? Jack: I think it began as one. Cristina: Oh, really? Oh, I don't know. Jack: I think it might have been the first fast food restaurant. Cristina: I just decided I was gonna be. It's gonna be a fast food restaurant. Jack: Or immediately you think, okay, oh, what's your theory here? You believe restaurants begin as like nice, classy places or Trying like one, the. Cristina: Two themed restaurant thing. And then it'd be okay. Jack: Fair, fair, fair, fair. So let's visualize this one. Yeah. The argument is people make a restaurant. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: They make a restaurant. Cristina: Maybe not today. Today. Jack: Before chains happened. Cristina: Yeah. Yeah. Jack: So you had a restaurant. This is the theory. Right. How do we break it down? We had a restaurant. And your idea is there's two paths in life. You either get real serious and start refining it and creating quality, or you start skimming and cutting corners and worrying more about the money than the product and slowly becoming fast food. Cristina: I don't know. Because, like, maybe they were always fast food. I don't know. Jack: Like they chose it. Cristina: Yeah, because I feel like the commercials say that they came from a farm family or something. Maybe I'm wrong. Because if it started off as a farm, then what does that tell us? Jack: I don't know. Let's look. Cristina: Or maybe it has nothing to do with a farm. Jack: All right, are we ready already? Cristina: What are we gonna look up first? Jack: Let's find out about Google. How old Google is with no other context. Cristina: Okay. And that, what, it was just how old? Jack: Yes. Let's begin there. Cristina: Okay. 50, 40, 30. 40, 30. Jack: Okay. Okay. I'm gonna go back to Google right now. Cristina: Why? The answer was unbelievable that you have to Google it. Jack: Our third decade of climate action. Join us. Cristina: Mm. Let's move it all started. Jack: Google is 26 years old. It was formed in 1998. That's with. That's just the first. That's what Google is telling us now. This does not mean that anything we have discussed is incorrect. Cristina: I don't know. This just means everything is incorrect. Jack: This just means that the name Google and whatever new direction they started to move in began 26 years ago. Now, they could have had a different name. Cristina: And that's what you want to look up now? Jack: That's my theory. Without any additional information. Cristina: No, I feel like that totally fits everything. And it's probably correct. Jack: What, that they were something different? Cristina: No, that they were just 20 years, 26 years old. Jack: Then how the h*** have they been doing it for three decades? Cristina: Once they passed 20, it became the third decade. Jack: The beginning of the third decade. Cristina: Yeah, that's the beginning of the third decade. Jack: Let's go back and read what it says. Exactly. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Cristina: Or maybe after 25 is the beginning of the third decade. Jack: It says our third decade. Third decade of climate action. Decade one. No, no, we've completed one decade is what you would say. So we're in the Middle of the first decade. So yeah, now we would be in the middle of the third. Yeah, I was just trying to kind of like follow the steps. So now we're in. We'd be in the third decade. Our third decade of climate action. Cristina: Okay, but let's still find out when. What exactly it was before it was Google. Unless it was always Google. Jack: What was Google before it was Google onset? Cristina: It says Google. It was never anything. Cristina: What was the answer? Is there no answer? Is it too complicated to understand? Jack: Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. In nineteen 1996, there was a platform named Backrub. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: The name came from the method of analyzing backlinks and websites to determine their like, importance and ranking in search engines and whatever. Cristina: Okay. And that's the original. Jack: That's the original name. It became Google in 1997 when they decided to rename it to Google. A play on the word Google Googol or Goggle Google. I guess it's Google G, double O, G, O L, which is ten to the hundredth power. A ridiculously large number to reflect their mission of organizing massive amounts of information. Cristina: Okay, wait, so when did Google form and when did Backrep form? Jack: Backrub formed in 1996 and then it rebranded as Google in 1997. Cristina: Oh, okay, so then. Okay, still 26. Jack: We are one year short of reaching. Yeah, we gotta get to 1995. Cristina: Why? Jack: Because that would make it 30 years and then they would have justified 30 years of the mission. Cristina: I thought it was the beginning. It's not really 30 years. Jack: Is it the beginning? Our third decade of climate action. Join us four. Okay, let's learn English. Cristina: What are you going to start with? What's a decade? Jack: Yeah, our third decade of climate action. All we need to know is does this mean our we're starting? Does this mean we're starting? Cristina: Yeah, because. What is it? 02. No, wait. 1 to 10 is 1. 10 to 2 is 2. 2 to 3 would be 3. Jack: 2 to 3 would be 3. Yeah, that would be the third decade. Cristina: Yeah, so it would be part of the third. Jack: Okay, it's. My God. Okay, it depends how we're interpreting it. Okay, let's get a total breakdown here. If it means we are starting the third decade and we are at 21, this is because the first decade. Okay, so if you're asking whether it's 21 or 23, then the answer depends on whether the phrase means starting or within. We have to determine that one first. Cristina: He says you said starting. No, I don't even know. I'm not sure if you said it or did they say it? Did you say that? Jack: That's just the Internet's response. So it would. The most logical possibility is that as long as we're using the word within, it is. It is within. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Oh, wait. Google has an AI, doesn't it? Third decade of climate change quote. Let's see what AI tells us. Cristina: Okay, you're gonna ask Google? Jack: Yeah, Google has an AI. And then I'll go to ChatGPT. Cristina: Okay, you can go from one AI to another AI. Jack: Yeah. Third. Our third decade of climate change. Does this sentence mean within or does it mean the beginning? Google, you son of a b****. How do you decide when? Cristina: What did it say? Jack: It didn't answer. I didn't get it. Just linked me to a bunch of. Like a normal search engine. Does that only work on the phone? No. I could swear the Google AI answers. Normally I don't use it. Cristina: I wouldn't know. Jack: I go to chat. GPT copy. I don't know. Cristina: Don't tell her what you're doing. She'll be jealous. Jack: Okay, let's go to chat. GPT Think chat. GPT stalks people. Our third decade of climate. It depends on the context. Generally, third decade of climate suggests we are within Rosa. Cristina: She saw. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The third decade, not at the beginning. Cristina: Okay, we're in within the third decade. Yeah. No, not happy with the answer. Jack: Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that works. Cristina: We still didn't learn anything about McDonald's, though. Jack: Oh, yeah. We did not find out when. Wait, what's the question? Cristina: I don't remember what we wanted to learn about McDonald's. Maybe. How did it start out? Jack: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, first of all, is it always. Cristina: A fast food chain? Jack: Well, So I know McDonald's is 1940s. D***. I was on it. Founded in 1940s as a result, as a restaurant operated by Richard and Maurice McDonald. Cristina: But was it a fast food chain restaurant? Ready? Jack: Let's. Let's go into the world of Wikipedia. McDonald's is the world's largest fast food restaurant chain by number of locations serving. Yeah. History. Cristina: That's great. Jack: Siblings Richard and Maurice McDonald opened the first McDonald's in 19. No, it can't be. Cristina: What? Jack: Oh, no. I thought I was looking at a year. Bro, it was 1398. I am like, 1398. Yeah. There's no way you did this in 1398. But it's at 1398 North East street at West 4th street in San Bernardino, California. On May 15, 1940, the brothers introduced the Speedy service system. It was fast food. Cristina: Okay. Jack: In 1948, putting into expanded use the principles of the modern fast food restaurant that predecessor, White Castle, had put into practice. I am blown away. So White Castle is the original fast food restaurant. Cristina: No, go look that up. Jack: Yeah. Looking this up separately. I don't understand. That's crazy. Okay, simply, what is the first fast food restaurant according to Google? Now the AI answers. I don't understand. White Castle, which opened in 1921. Cristina: Oh, wow. That was the first one. Jack: Wow, wow, wow. And then 19 years later, McDonald's showed up. Cristina: What? That's so strange. Jack: Okay, interesting. Interesting. There's no way I could have guessed that. I thought McDonald's was the first one. Cristina: That's interesting. Yes. Especially because White Castle burgers aren't even like real burgers. I don't know what they are. Those are burgers from the future. Jack: The future was like, look, they're so weird and squishy. Cristina: They're the ones. They're like, what? Jack: Soft? Cristina: Often like dystopian future movies talk like, that's the food from that. Like. Jack: Yeah. It's like really fake. Like Play doh. That sort of looks like food. That's it. It's just Play doh. That looks like food to some degree. White Castle struggles today. Cristina: That makes sense. Jack: Yeah, but like, how the did it make? I guess there was no. Cristina: It was the first of its kind. It had to make it had to. Jack: Make it based on this fast. Cristina: People were like, I would just want it now. Jack: And they could be cheap. Just skim on all the resources. Cristina: Yeah, makes sense. I guess pre. Jack: Make everything, save it and store it. Calculate the average person amount we get per day, our usual foot traffic, and make sure that we have enough stored to outlap to burnout within that time before we resupply. That's all you need to do. Even if you don't have. Because it's 1920s, we're talking. We don't have. Not everybody has access to a classic fridge. And like, it would be expensive to run a bunch and have. So you're preserving old school, but there's still ways to preserve you. Drowning s*** in salt and in sugar and s***. You know, just trying to preserve it from getting old. Cristina: And that's how it is. That gross. I don't know. It's not a burger. It's not a burger. It's its own thing. Jack: It had to be some sort of other mush. Cristina: It's like the hot dog of burgers. Oh, no. Jack: Do you think that hot dogs predate White Castle. Cristina: Oh, White Castle. Jack: Fast food or hot dogs? Cristina: Hot dogs. Jack: You didn't. Hot dogs. You're older. Cristina: Yes. Jack: How much older were you guys? Do you think hot dogs are ancient? Cristina: Maybe. I can see that. Jack: I can see that, too. I can see that, too. I can see that, too. Cristina: I can see the early 90s. 19. 19 thousands. I don't know. Jack: 18 thousands? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Like 1900s? Cristina: Hundreds. Yes. Jack: So that would make it, what, like, 20 years younger? You mean like 1901? Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Okay. My guess is sausages came to be in the 1600s. Cristina: We're talking about hot dogs, though. Jack: Yeah. Hot dogs. My bad. Not sausages. Hot dogs. I was. I was running through my mind on all the possible. Cristina: Of course, sausages came before hot dogs. Unless we were going to find out that hot dogs came before sausages. Absolutely confusing. Jack: Yes. I'm thinking that. That I was trying to follow the origin of sausages, and I think sausages are pretty old. So I was. In doing so, I came to the conclusion that their dogs have to be much older than we think, and we think they're American, but we're wrong. Cristina: And they're older than hamburger buns. Just hamburger buns. Jack: You think hot dogs today in. Wait. I think so. Cristina: I think so. Yes. Yes, yes. Jack: You think hot dogs came with hamburger buns? Cristina: No, I think they're. They're not buns. Hamburger burgers, Beef patties. I think hot dogs are older than beef patties. Jack: Okay, fair enough. Okay. Yeah. I think hot dogs predate. I think hot dogs predate burgers is what you're saying. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Yeah, I think so, too. I think hot dogs are really old. Cristina: Yes. But not older than sausages. Jack: No, I think sausages are super old. Cristina: So. Jack: This is a ridiculous search series. Cristina: This is important history facts that they don't teach you 100%. I don't know. Jack: You know what you just named this episode. I'll put this right up here. Important history facts you aren't taught. Cristina: Fair enough. Yeah. Jack: How old is a hot dog? Cristina: Find out. White Castle's older. Probably not. I don't think so. Jack: Okay. Cristina: What? Jack: Put in your. I now have the answer. Put in your final claims. Don't search anything. Don't you? Cristina: 1800S. I'm changing my answer. Jack: The change in your answer. Cristina: 1800S. Jack: Is that your final? And are you sure? Cristina: I don't know if I'm sure. Go young. 19. Yes. Jack: Yes to. To what? You sure? Cristina: 1800S. Yeah. Jack: 1800S. Cristina: Hot dogs. Jack: Hot dogs. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Hot dogs. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Hot dog. You're wrong. Cristina: What? Jack: And I'm wrong. But I Was on the right track. I was following the right trail. Hot dogs come in roughly to the closest estimate, unclear to Germany. Frankfurt, Germany. The market district in Germany. 1487. Cristina: Hot dogs. Not hot dogs, sausages. Jack: Hot dogs. Specifically invented. 1487 in Frankfurt, Germany. Cristina: Hot dogs. Okay. I would. I knew it was probably Germany, but not 1400s. Jack: You thought Germany? Yeah. Why? Cristina: Because hot dogs. Jack: What the. What the. About a hot dog tells you Germany? Cristina: I don't know. Something about it does. Jack: Fair enough. Cristina: Okay, now, did they also make sausages, though, or is that from, like, Italy? Jack: I. I was thinking Italy. Origin of sausages. I knew. Yes. Okay, now let's be clear. My timeline on this was extremely f****** wrong. Now put in your bid for when you thought, when you think and why. And then I'll tell you what I thought and why. And then I'll tell you the answer. Cristina: Are you telling me it's younger than hot dogs? Jack: Sausages? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Tell me what you thought. Cristina: I would have guessed 1400s if I thought hot dogs was 1800. Like, that would make sense. I would guess it was like 500 for some hundred years older. Jack: Okay. Cristina: Is it some hundred years older at least? Jack: Through much of the things I've read over time, A lot of the research we've done for the show, for my personal interest, because I'm a weirdo, I've come across the mention of sausages dating roughly to about a thousand B.C. i've seen sausages mentioned repeatedly, especially when we're looking at Indian texts. They actually have sausages made from the. The things they do eat. They make sausages equivalents even out of vegetables and s***. It's a method of making a thing. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so the sausage we're familiar with, the normal actual meat sausage or whatever gets mentioned repeatedly in throughout the world. I thought that the earliest mentions I was aware of is because that's as far back as it went. So I was thinking about a thousand years bc it goes farther back. It is over 5000 years bc unclear where sausages might be among the first manufactured foods. When they learned how to create packaging for meat or whatever, probably in order to preserve it. They were invented as a. I just as the answer was there in front of my face. They were invented as a way to preserve meat by mixing it with salt, herbs, and spices. Cristina: Where at? Jack: In Mesopotamia. Cristina: Oh, okay. So super ancient food. Jack: Yes. Ridiculous. Cristina: Okay. Jack: It's ridiculously ancient, that. Cristina: Yeah, it was very off. Jack: I was very off. Cristina: I don't know. I thought it was as old as hot dogs, but I thought hot dogs. I Didn't know hot dogs were that old. Jack: No, I knew sausages were old. I was so wrong about how old. You even find it in scripture and crap. Cristina: It's weird. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Or I guess not weird because they're that old. Jack: Yeah, they're just damning it. No, don't. Don't eat it. Cristina: You're going to eat those sausages. Jack: Don't eat those sausages. You're going to h***. Cristina: Mm. Jack: So, like, sausages have been around. You could find them in pretty old things. Cristina: Weird. Jack: So now the question is, I mean, we found the origin of McDonald's in general. We don't know the origin of Google other than I guess they were. But then what was the environment around them? Do you think they were alone? They were the first ones to be like, we're gonna collect information and then these other guys were the copies. Cristina: I don't know. I. Maybe. No, there's probably competition on getting to do that and that's why they became that. Because they weren't originally that. Right. As backrub, they were something a little bit different. Jack: You think they were something before backrub? Cristina: No, as backrub it was. Was backrub exactly the same as Google? Jack: Yeah. With the original mission of creating and archiving information. Cristina: Oh, okay. I thought I did something else. Jack: Okay, so for perspective, before Google came along, we had a shitstorm of people. Cristina: Okay. Jack: All doing the same thing. Here's a list of them. Archie came in 1990. Veronica, 1992. Cristina: A lot of them are going to be 1990. Jack: Jughead, 1993. Ali Web, 1993. Cristina: How many of these have you heard? Jack: Jump Station, 1993. None of them so far. World Wide Web, Wanderer, 1993. Infoseek. That one. 1994. Web Crawler. I've heard of that one. To 1994. Lycos. I've heard that one. To 1994. Yahoo. Directory. We've both heard of that one. 1994. Excitement. You might have heard that one. Cristina: No. Jack: Too. 1995. Alda Vista, 1995. Meta Crawler, 1995. Cristina: Interesting name. Jack: Ask Jeeves. Currently known as Ask. 1996. Cristina: Okay, I know that one. Jack: So Ask is a current big one that still stands and predates Google and so is Yahoo. Both of them predating Google yahoo. By through two years. Because BackRub shows up in 1996 after Ask Jeeves and after Hotbot Hot Pot. Yeah. So famous current day ones. Yahoo. 1994 is the oldest big name. And then Ask. Cristina: Ask is still around. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Which used to be Ask Jeeves which I remember. And it's currently ask.com, which they changed I guess sometime in the early 2000s. Right. In 1996. And then Hotbot, which isn't big name, and then Backup, which is Google today. So only two big names, Yahoo and Ask Jeeves and Yahoo Sorgi, slowly dying, trying to survive. You kind of occasionally see some. Cristina: What is bigger than Google or close. What's the second? Jack: The second biggest. Currently, my bet is going to. What's your guess? Cristina: I don't know any other engines really. Jack: Really? Cristina: Not really besides Google. If I'm on something else, I go to Google. Jack: You. My guess would be Bing. Cristina: Bing, yes, Bing. That's where everything I am at before I Google Google is Bing. It has to be Bing. Jack: It's either bing or it's DuckDuckGo. There's no other way. Anything else holds the second spot. I refuse. Cristina: I don't really know about DuckDuckGo. Jack: Yeah, I think it's. Cristina: I'm guessing Bing. Jack: I think it's those three. And then in fourth place as a search engine will go Yahoo. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What do you think? Cristina: Bing. Jack: You think Bing is number two? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Okay, let's see. Cristina: That's all I know, man. Jack: As of January 2025. Cristina: How I would be shocked if Google is not number one. Jack: How big of a chunk did you think it was? Cristina: What? Google? Jack: Google. Cristina: 80%. Jack: 80%. Do you think your estimate is high or low? Cristina: High. Jack: You think it should be lower? Cristina: I think so. I think there's a lot of competitors. And even though I'm only using Google and sometimes Bing to get to Google, the rest of the world isn't doing that. Jack: That is a great, A great assumption. Using the information you have, Bing is number two. Cristina: Well. Jack: Knowing there are in fact other competitors, how big do you think Bing actually is? Cristina: I know. You didn't even tell me how much Google is. Jack: Well, I can't do that yet. Give me a percentage that you think Bing eats up of the market. Listeners. While you're listening, guess. While you're listening, guess, find one of our social platforms, which you could find. Just Convopod. You could find us on Facebook, you could find us on Instagram, you could find us on TikTok. Find an old video. Who gives a s***? Find something and comment on it. What you're listening to and your guess for exactly what. The answer. Cristina: Yes. Before we give you the answer. Because you must have had an answer before you find out. Unless you already knew the answer. And who knows? Jack: Yeah, unless you already knew the answer, give Us. Wrong answers. If you're listening. If you're listen, don't cheat. Don't cheat. Cristina: Yeah, don't cheat. Jack: Even if you're like a shy, nervous person who hates going on the Internet. You go, you. You f. You. You f******. You f****** go and you tell us what you think. Don't Google s***. Stop cheating. Stop cheating. This information is probably wrong anyways. Come on, we're playing a game here. Go. Okay, Anyways. Anyways, what percentage do you think? Cristina: Okay, I'm a lower. I mean, I'm a lower. Google from 80% to, like 30. I feel like that's still. I'm gonna give it 20% and giving 2%. Jack: You're gonna give what? Let's go over this again. Cristina: I'm thinking Google is 30% of the whole thing. Jack: 30%? Why? You lowered Google? You thought Google was too high? Cristina: Yeah, and the thing is, it's a huge competitive market. It can't be at 80. So I'm going with 30. Jack: Okay. Cristina: And then I'm giving Bing, like 3, 2. 10%. 10% and giving it 7. 7% while Google is 20%. Jack: Okay, everybody else, put your. Put your answers in. Put your answers in. Send it to us via mail if you have to. And I don't know, a random. Pick a. Pick an address. Pick an address when the cops get angry. Whatever. The answer is. What? The ballads are in. Is that what they say? The ballots are in. The ballots are in. The ballerinas have entered the room and are gonna tell us. Ballerinas, please talk. Okay, so Google has 80. Cristina: What? I was right. Originally. No way. Jack: 9.8%. So if we. If we just close it almost 90. 90. Yeah, if we close it off. Cristina: Well, I'm giving being like 10. No. Oh, my gosh. I'm so saying it's low. It's low. It's even lower than I thought. Jack: Okay, so then 10.1%. Think about it and then refine your answer, everybody. Now that you know you've given me your first answer. Cristina: Okay, now I'm guessing two now. Jack: Now answer and send me your second guess. Refining your first one. Cristina: Give us your first guess with the second. Like if you thought Bing was at whatever you thought Bing was, and then your new answer to being. Give us both, yo. Jack: Yeah, yeah, give us the first answer and now give us the second answer. I mean, if they didn't answer the first time, now they have to answer with both. Okay, but if they did answer the first time, then. Now they're answering to correct the original answer. So we'll know, there's the cool ones who partook in the game. Everybody else is kind of whack. But. Cristina: 2%. Jack: Ballerinas come back and give us the answer. And the answer is. Is that your final. That's your final guess? Cristina: Yes. Jack: No refinement. You're good. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: The answer was actually where you were originally when you began, which was 3.93, which is basically a 4.4percent of the entire market, leaving a 6% to be for everybody else. Cristina: It's so crazy. I did not think Google could be that high. I really didn't think so because there is so much competition. It makes no sense. I don't understand. But my original answer was closer to the truth. Who knew? That's insane. Jack: Now, knowing the information, you know, who is number three? Cristina: I don't know anyone. Another Google engine that's not part of Google. Jack: Another search engine. Cristina: Yeah. Yes. They're like, this is our test search engine. Jack: Okay, you forgot about Yahoo. Cristina: Oh, Yahoo. Okay, it's Yahoo. Jack: It's not. Cristina: It's aol. Does that have a search engine? Jack: I don't even know. Good guess. Yes and no. It's not. Cristina: They do have one. Jack: They do have one, but it's not them. Cristina: It's Facebook. Jack: That'd be amazing. They do have a search engine. And I. I wouldn't be surprised if soon enough they replace a huge chunk of the Internet. Cristina: Mm. But it's not that. What is it? Jack: It's Yandex. Cristina: I don't know what that is. I've never heard of it. Jack: The Russian equivalent of Google. Cristina: Yan Yandex. Jack: No, no. Cristina: Who's using it? And why isn't China search engine number two or three? Jack: Really good question. I don't know. Cristina: Like, I think there's something wrong with this list. There's something wrong with this list because there should be a search engine that a whole country uses. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Humongous country uses. And they only use because they can't use anything else. Like, come on. Jack: Well, China is here, but I go, okay, so here's the argument. Here's the argument. China's is on this list of top five. It is. I think the problem is they can't afford it. No, no, no. They can. They don't allow it. I think the problem really comes down to they're one of like three people who don't allow it. So even if that's two point however many billion people, there are 8 billion people in the world and there are not even 1 billion people in North Korea. Not even close. It's a negligible amount. We could say that they're just blended into and dissolve into the Chinese population. So pretty much. Although. Yes, that's a lot of people. They're still just one fourth of the entire earth. The rest of the earth is still using Google. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then the rest of the earth is familiar with the search engine. Google is most likely to show you, which would be Bing, if you're looking for the alternative. Cristina: I'm never looking for Bing. I'm always on Bing looking for Google. Jack: Yes. Because some places just forced Bing because they don't like the monopoly of Google. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: And they have, they make, you know, partnerships with Bing and stuff. Cristina: It makes sense. Okay. Jack: And Yandex is interesting that that gets used. How is that so popular? Cristina: What other countries are using it besides Russia? Jack: That's the question, right? How. What percent do you think it has? Cristina: Percent of? Jack: What percent of the pie do you think Yandex has? Cristina: 3%? Jack: 3%? Cristina: I don't know. Is that too high? Jack: I don't know. Think about it. What's your reasoning? Cristina: What was Bings? Jack: Bing's percentage was four. If we, if we round it. Cristina: Two. Jack: Is that your final guess? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Yeah, it's 2.7. Cristina: Okay. So almost 30%. Okay. Jack: Yes. Yahoo is number four. Cristina: It's gotta be less than a percent or it makes 1%. Exactly it. Like I guess. Yeah, I'm going for 1%. Jack: Yahoo. Is 1.2%. Cristina: Okay. Which is one. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: At the end of the day. Jack: Well, 1.3 when you round the two. But it's fine because it's. It's 27, so it's really 1.3, but still doesn't round the one up. And then we have Baidu, which is the Chinese one. Cristina: The Chinese one, which is I guess even less than 1%. It's less than. Jack: So it would have to be. And I guess that's the other problem because being conservative traditional people, even if they're technologically advanced in a lot of aspects, there's a lot of old culture that survives in there. A lot of people might simply not use the Internet in China and it might be real subject to the younger population. There's a lot of older people in China, a lot, and they're not. So they might just not be on the Internet. So it's not only are they 2 billion people alone in neglecting it like by themselves, essentially we could blend everybody else into them and they would just kind of dissolve into the 2 billion of Chinese people. So not only is that the case, but then even within The Chinese population, we have huge portions of them not partaking in the Internet to begin with. So they're not using the search engine. And then we got to consider their own alternatives that are pulling people away from their major search engine. Cristina: Okay. No, really. Jack: It would be their one major search engine competing with ones used by the earth. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Now, their major search engine doesn't necessarily have to be their only one. Cristina: How many do you think they have? Jack: Interesting. Cristina: I think there's one. Jack: You think China has one major search engine? Cristina: Yes. And if there's any other, it's a secret and that they try to keep from the people. Jack: Interesting. You think China has a single one? I think there are many other ones. And a bunch of secret ones. Cristina: No. Jack: All right, let's find out. Cristina: Find out. There's two. Jack: You think two? Cristina: Mm. Jack: Let see, as used by the population in China, what percentage of the Chinese market do you think Baidu has? Cristina: 99.9. Jack: Right. Because you think it's the only one. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And the other one is like a government secret. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Baidu, as of January 2025, has 47% of the pie in China. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: With Bing, what number two. Cristina: Oh, I guess that's the secret. Jack: That's the secret to being so high up. What is the percentage of the piping has? Cristina: 30%. Jack: Good guess. 35. Cristina: Oh, snap. That's why, like, there would want to be on the Chinese one. Jack: I don't know. That bunch of them don't want to keep in mind we're talking about just the people on the Internet over there. We gotta say that maybe, maybe one third of the population is not on the Internet. So one turret, one third removed. So what is everybody using now? We gotta break everybody up among their other platforms. Now that takes out a huge portion right there already. Cristina: How much? Jack: 47 in Baidu and 35 in Bing. Cristina: Okay. Jack: What is. Cristina: What, the third. Random? Jack: Yeah, I mean, I guess there'd be no way to guess it. So the third one is called how. And what percentage do you think that holds? Cristina: 10, actually. Jack: Pretty good at guessing this. It's actually 8. You're in the ballpark. Okay, but the next one's gonna blow your mind. It's gonna make total sense. Cristina: Suddenly Google. Jack: Number four. It's not Google if you can't first guess the name. Think about it. Then guess the percentage. Cristina: 1%. Jack: Right. What do you think it is? Cristina: And it's not Google. Jack: It's not Google, I can tell you that much. Cristina: It's that Russian app. Jack: It's f****** Yandex at 3.1%. 3.2 actually is 3.19. So 3.2%. It's f****** Yandex. And 3% of the Internet users in China is still a huge f****** chunk of people. Yeah, there's so many people. That's a crazy number. Yandex is totally inflated by the Chinese market and Bing is totally the Chinese market. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Nobody else is inflating those numbers. We're not using that. And even if we were using that, there's only 300 million of us. We are not changing those numbers because we're definitely mostly like almost all of us. I think In America alone, 99.99. Cristina: We're getting our laptops with it and then like swapping out for Google. I don't know. So that makes sense. That's crazy. Jack: Fascinating. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: Okay, what do you think the percent of Google. Hold on. Americans is Google? Yeah. Cristina: Can we do that already? Oh, no, not Google specific. Jack: For America alone. Cristina: Okay, then we're gonna go to Russia then? I guess, but. Okay, Google is, I don't know, 80%. In America it's 90. It's 90. Jack: We're not really giving our attempt. One in 10 people doesn't use Google. Cristina: Oh, my gosh. What are they using? They're not using Bing, are they? Jack: I don't even know what they're using. Let's find out right now. Going down. Numerically speaking. Search buddy. Okay. Yeah. Although it would be Bing. Although it has 4% on average for the United States, Bing pools 7%. Cristina: Wow. Jack: Okay, that's number two. Nobody's getting our attention. Cristina: No. Okay, well then Russia. Is there a second one? Jack: You mean China? Cristina: No, we already did China. I want to do Russia now. Jack: Oh, we did. And we got which percent? What are you looking for about Russia? Cristina: What they are. What are they using besides their yen? Oh, their app. I mean, their search engine app. Search engine. Jack: Okay, top five. Okay, the list as of January 25th, Google. There top five search engines. First one, Yandex. What percent are you giving it? Cristina: 50%. Jack: Here's a problem. No country has the ability to give its people propaganda the way ours does because we're all going to the same place. It could all be a lie. Cristina: Yes. Jack: They can manipulate the s*** out of us. We definitely the sheeple of the earth. They. It's 73%. Nobody is as close to one f****** source of information as we are. We are not diversifying our information as a collective planet. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Or as Americans. My bad. Cristina: Americans. Yeah. Jack: As Americans, we're not diversifying our information. This is a real Actual problem. Everybody else is diversifying information. The next one is pretty horrifying because the next one is an information problem. China removed itself from the information problem. We don't have to worry about it. But I understand the paranoia that comes from the other side of the lane. Google is number two. Cristina: That's what I thought. Jack: They know everything we know. We don't know everything they know because we are programmed to be sheep. We're not seeking their information, they're seeking ours. That's a problem of making people so f****** stupid that your people are going to be outsmarted by every other collective average people. If an invasion happens, any other country can s*** on us and our people can't handle it because our people have been made too stupid and easy to beat by the leaders who are trying to beat them. That's a problem. You need to be a leader who can overpower its people and you got to be a leader who isn't a p****. Simultaneously, yes. If you got to make your people stupid in order to control them, you are a b****. You're p****. You didn't have the ability to do it without watering them down. A true leader. A true leader. Not some evil whack villain who f****** does it from the shadows. A true villain. A true villain. A true hero stands in front and is better than all the people who he has educated and informed. They must all know what he knows. And he is still more conditioned and prepared than all of them. So they couldn't fill his would be a good leader who leads strong people. This country functions off of a bunch of sissy a** people who entirely sit on their money and then rely on a bunch of whack weaklings that they underpowered in order to contain and continue manipulating. So we have a bunch of weak people being led by a bunch of weak leaders who couldn't outperform their own people to begin with. So they have to make them stupid. That's tragic. Not the case in a country that is consuming their enemies information by one fourth of their population on average. Yeah, they know everything we know. Cristina: So do you think they like our media? Jack: They definitely like our media. Bing is number three. Cristina: That's funny and not funny. I don't know what is Bing everywhere. I guess that's why it's top three. Jack: In the world or whatever Yandex is in all three countries we've mentioned as well. Cristina: Yeah, Google isn't. No. Well yeah. I would expect that from China not to have Google. Jack: Bing doesn't complete 1%. It's 0.7. Cristina: 0.7. Wow. Jack: What do you think number four is? You also know it. Cristina: I know it. Oh, my gosh. I don't know. Ask Jeeves. Jack: No, one more guess. Cristina: Can you give me a hint that we'd say it? Jack: Yes, we've talked about it. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: People put in your answers. Cristina: Guess it's the one from China. Jack: What was the Baidu? Cristina: I guess so. Yeah. Jack: It's not you tapping out? Cristina: No, it is. I don't remember the ones that we've talked about actually. I don't know really. Jack: Even really popular ones. Cristina: Let me think. I completely forgot Bing. You already said Bing's number three. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Yahoo. Jack: Yahoo is number five. Cristina: Whoa. What? Jack: So you still don't know number four? Cristina: Oh, no, no. I don't know. I don't know. Jack: It's duck, duck, go, duckduckgo. Cristina: Oh, the one you knew about. Jack: Oh, wow. So what do we top here? No, it's not even top here. It's top over there. Cristina: Weird. Jack: I guess I'm a Russian bot. Cristina: I'm thinking. Oh, my gosh. I had the. I was saying the Russian spy, though, but I guess, yeah, I mean. Jack: What do you mean, Russian spy? It's not a thing anymore. What are we? Old men in suits who run the world? I'm not a Russian spy. I'm some f******. We're Curry. We're current age, bro. Cristina: From spy movies. They're just normal, everyday people. Jack: Everybody. I mean, if you're watching John Wick, literally everybody you've ever seen or whatever. Cristina: What are they supposed to be? Jack: It's a world of super hitmen. I don't know how these people alive. Cristina: Everyone's a hitman. Jack: How's anybody alive? Cristina: It's a secret society which everyone's involved. Jack: Yeah. It's a secret world that every human you've ever seen is a part of. Cristina: I think it's the future of Fight Club. I think that's the continuation of the Fight Club movie that we didn't even. Jack: Know that it just. I mean, I guess if you keep extrapolating how psychotic it got immediately. Cristina: Yes, yes. This is what it turns into. Oh. Oh, my gosh. Jack: Just a bunch of men continuously trying to destroy the world. Farther. Why would they be hitmen? Cristina: I don't know. Because they thought it was cool. Jack: I don't know. Cristina: They're just men who. Jack: Because the original goal was to destroy society. Cristina: No, their original goal was just to fight each other. Jack: Yeah. And then they became. Then it was like destroy society. Cristina: Yes. That was number two, though. The first was like we punch each other. Jack: No, that was number one, the original. So here's how it goes in the first. What do you mean? Number two, like second plan? Cristina: Yes. Jack: Okay. Yeah. Because it was all part of the original con. The original story. Cristina: Yes. But not like everyone knew when they were punching each other that we're gonna go to. Jack: But the process from one to the other made sense. It began as we're gonna come down here and do something that's against society's normality. We're gonna be animals and that's gonna give us a sense of freedom. The extension thought of that is we're gonna punish the very society that put us in the situation to need to go down here and do this. Cristina: Yes. And then the hit. The Hitman movies, what are they called? Jack: The John Wick movies. Cristina: Are them creating the new society they. Or I guess they've already created the new society. Jack: S***. You know what's weird about John Wick that I didn't think about? And it's like John Wick is kind of also the Matrix, where everybody's just part of it. Cristina: Yes. Oh, my gosh. Is it the Matrix? Did he wake up and not realize he's still Neil, but he's not Neil like he is Neil. Jack: Fascinating. Cristina: He just doesn't know it because he's just in a other version in John Wick. Jack: They tried their best to erase as much of him as possible. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And they then threw him back into a more comprehensive version of the Matrix, trying to restrict them more. But he still has the ability to be the Jesus. No, not Jesus, but what do they call him? Cristina: The. Jack: The Baba Yaga. Cristina: Oh, Babaja. Yeah, Baba Yaga. Jack: He has to be Baba Yaga. But it's really because he actually has Neo powers. Yes, still Neil. But he doesn't know this anymore because the Agents Smith and the rest of the AI managed to suppress him. Cristina: And when he died, he probably popped up in another world. It wasn't him dying, it's just him going somewhere else. Jack: Yep. Cristina: Because the Matrix, they just infinite loops. Jack: They're gonna make sure he doesn't break out again. And the conditions for him specifically, increasingly get more difficult. Cristina: Interesting. Jack: So it's always more likely he'll die. So then he does, and then he resets. That way you can keep resetting him without having to do it manually. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: That way he never gets out. Because he'll always get out. Maybe they tried. Holy s***. Maybe they did this without a loop. Reset? Cristina: How? Jack: So they eventually managed to catch Neo in this thing and they're like, good. We raised his mind and we put him in there. But the first time, they didn't realize eventually he'd be able to use his abilities again. And then he did. And then he got out again. But they caught him again. They put him in. They found a way to kind of suppress his abilities. Kind of, sort of. Cristina: They can never truly do it, though. Jack: Yeah. So basically, they have to kill him. Cristina: Before he gets there. Jack: Hence the John Wick scenario, where every time you survive it, it's a little harder. You're gonna lose. You're gonna lose, and you're not gonna have the time to focus on escaping. You're gonna lose. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And then it'll reset. And nobody has to be around to watch it happen. Cristina: Mm. Jack: They just need you to die at some point. In that version, it resets. Boom. New version, you don't remember anything. Cristina: No loop. Jack: That's how you solve Neo. Cristina: Okay, that's horrible. Jack: And so you solve John Wick. And we can tell because. What was the first one? Oh, my dog, let me go chase the gas. And then it was, oh, my car. Let me go chase the guys. And then it was. Oh, I overstepped when I went into the building. Let me deal with it. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And then the next one is the entire cities after me. So escalated one group of people, an entire series of hitmen, an entire collective. The city. Cristina: The city is kind of ridiculous. Jack: So it's getting more the difficulty every time. Every time he survives it. So he survived the next one. If he somehow did survive, it's gotta be harder than that. And if your multiple is just two times harder each time, which it wasn't. It was exponential, definitely. Every time it escalated quite a bit. Cristina: Yes. Yes, it did. Jack: If it only took four almost deaths for the simulation to pump out whatever the f*** happened in the fourth movie, a whole city of people, then what would be the result of the fifth iteration, or the fifth wave, it sends you. Cristina: I don't know. What do you think is gonna happen? Jack: And those waves were what, how far apart? I would say that the first movie finished, and then the second one began a week, two weeks, a month later. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: And then the third one happened instantly. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: And so the fourth one, they were kind of back. They were all one day almost. They were like, maybe a week apart. Cristina: That's kind of wild. But it's like. Yeah. Times four, times 20, times 50 or whatever. Like, what could possibly be next? Jack: Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. A state. Cristina: Like, I'm pretty sure he did Die. But he might come back somehow. Jack: Maybe he is Baba Yaga. Cristina: Yes. Jack: Rises back up and then. Cristina: And then what? Maybe zombies. He has to fight zombies as a zombie. That doesn't make sense. Well, like what could possibly happen? Jack: Fascinating point, fascinating point. If we were to extrapolate this a little further and say that Neo, AKA John Wick, gets killed eventually in his cycle as John Wick and becomes some. Some other new random variation generate Rand randomly generated by the matrix he's specifically locked into. Then is it absolutely possible that when he did Constantine, that was just another random iteration as well? Cristina: It could all be connected. Jack: That resulted also with him being absolutely overpowered. One of a kind guy who could outperform random crap that he shouldn't have the ability to. Oh, out power. Cristina: How's that? Jack: And some dying eventually. Cristina: Oh, well, I think they take the. Jack: Cancer out of his lungs. But somehow he still dies. Well, I don't remember. Oh yeah, I think the. I think Lucifer or some angel or some sticks is their hands into him and scoops out his lung cancer. Cristina: And then he dies immediately. Jack: I don't know. I don't remember how he dies. I think he dies eventually. I could be wrong. Okay, but that could be another iteration. I'm sure he dies some. Somewhere down the line. In which he dies at the end of it. Cristina: Somewhere. Jack: Because it kept getting harder. Cristina: Yes, he has to. Because it keeps getting harder. No matter how overpowered he becomes. Because eventually he can do whatever he's been super overpowered. Jack: But in the real world, he's that level of overpowered. Right? No, this doesn't make any sense. In the real world, he's just normal in the mate. I don't understand the story. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: He's just a guy in the real world and then he connects into the Matrix. Cristina: What power the real. There is no real world. He's never out of. Jack: He doesn't. Yeah, but according to what the movies tell us, he doesn't know this. Oh, what does he think is happening where he connects into the Matrix. Okay, he has powers. What the h*** does that have to do with you specifically as Neo? Why can you do that? Why are you the Chosen One? Isn't it science? Why is there a Chosen One? Cristina: I don't know. Jack: Yeah, but in reality we know that he was never outside of the Matrix because it's in the subtext of the Matrix. Because it explains that he was born as an anomaly within the system that needed to be caused intentionally in order to. He's basically not aloy but a Corrective, I guess. He is aloy corrective measure. You know how in in Horizon there is Gaia who's supposed to recreate the world. Cristina: Okay. Jack: But if something goes wrong, there is Hades to hit reset. Cristina: I'm just saying he's not Hades. But he's aloy. Jack: I don't even know what my point wants to begin with. Cristina: He's somehow related to that story Horizon. Jack: Somehow? Yes. Cristina: Is he aloy? Is he there to reset the computer? Did the computer make him to reset it? Is that what you're saying? Is that possible? Jack: I guess. Cristina: I don't know. And the computer doesn't remember why it did it. Jack: Wait, who the h*** are we talking about? Cristina: Neil. Jack: Right. Neil. Cristina: And weren't the computer made Neil right. As some type of glitch? Jack: Why the computer made Neo as a glitch? In order to cause a. The computer needs to reboot regularly. I don't know what my. Okay, I don't know how it's. My problem is I don't know how I was trying to connect it to Aloy because. Yeah, so Neons exist. We'll just explain them separately and see if I could connect it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: The existence of Neo is essentially some sort of a reboot mechanism. So is Aloy a reboot mechanism? Aloy is a salvage system which is essentially a reboot mechanism. Right, I get it. So Gaia is to create the world and Hades is to destroy it if something were to happen. And Aloy is Gaia's countermeasure against Hades. Against Hades because there was nothing wrong. But Hades is bugged the f*** out now. So the countermeasure is aloy a different kind of sub secret other thing to protect the system. Neo is essentially that every so often this must occur in order to sort of debug the system and go back to default setting. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And so within the Matrix, which even Agent Smith is technically part of. Because there is no real world. As far as we know from the perspective in any information we're given. Neo is born within the system. Which is why there is no real. Cristina: It's just a computer. Jack: It's just a computer. Even when they disconnect, that's part of the simulation. Yes, because he's born within the system that is specifically mentioned over and over. That's also how he is the chosen one. Because he is born within the system. And that's how he has the ability to manipulate it. Neo is the story of Lane from Serial Experiments. Lane. They are the same person to some degree. It is an individual never understands it. Cristina: Like Lane understands it. Jack: No, Lane has the moment that I think Kyle has, or Stan, one of those two in south park where he is really thinking about religion until he literally is Kyle. Until he literally starts to transcend and then becomes a floating head because he sort of goes to the next state of existence or whatever. The what? Cristina: Yeah, I do not remember that. Jack: But okay, that's basically. Cristina: Yeah, that's what she is. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Well, I guess that solves the world's problems. I don't know what the point of any of this was. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: We got to the bottom of it, though. Cristina: I don't know what the star of that was, though. To get to the bottom of. Jack: What's the farthest thread you remember. Where do you think it started? Cristina: We started at movies, I believe. Jack: Movies? Cristina: I don't know. We were talking about Google. Jack: Oh. Why were we talking about movies? Cristina: I don't remember where. How Google got into the Matrix. No. Jack: Okay. Without anybody going back, what do you think we were talking about? Do you remember? I have no clue. Cristina: It wasn't the Matrix we started. Jack: And we definitely started at Google. I have no idea how we transitioned into the Matrix. Cristina: Cyclone. Fair Neo. Jack: Those lines are clear. Cristina: What's the other guy? Jack: John Wick. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All that. All that's connecting. I just don't know how we got to those from. Cristina: Because he is the Baba Jaga. Jack: And how do we get that from search engines? Cristina: I don't know. He's from Russia. We're all spies. Jack: We're all spies. I don't know. Cristina: You're a spy. You're Russian spy. Jack: I'm definitely Russian spy. I don't know how that connects to John. Cristina: We're close, though, because everyone's a spy. I mean, everyone's a. What is he, a hitman? Hitman? Jack: Why was everybody a hitman? Cristina: I don't know. Did we find out why? Jack: No. It was a connecting thought. Why would I. Why would it? Why do we. I don't know. Cristina: I don't know. Jack: I don't know. I don't know. Anyways, so if you guys enjoy the show, let us know. In the same places we said earlier, which are just kind of a pot on our socials. Cristina: If you answered our questions, let us know. Jack: Yeah, I mean, they would have answered. We would know. Yeah, we would know. Don't do that again. You could tell us. Cristina: Yes, tell us that you told us the answers. You were like, hey, you didn't mention us. I don't know. Jack: Yeah. Cristina: Should they mention? Should we mention them? I don't know. Jack: No, they gotta tell us they answered. Cristina: The question after they already answered the question. We need a separate message. We need. Jack: We need a separate message that should be roughly like 40 minutes later that's telling us you sent us a message roughly 40 minutes back. Cristina: And there should be two messages, though. One is the ones you thought Google. Jack: And there should be three messages. Cristina: One of your correction. Jack: Yes, it should be your first guess, which included your correction for the second guess. And that's just your second message because your third message is letting us know you sent us those two first messages. Cristina: Yes. Jack: And this must be done in disorder. We will not accept them otherwise. I don't know what that means. We won't accept them. But. But f*** you. Cristina: We won't accept contest. Jack: There's a secret contest, and you won't know whether you won or lost anyways. But if you win. No, you can't win. You're disqualified. If it's not done in this order, okay? Cristina: And if it is done, you do win. Jack: You could win. You qualify. Cristina: You qualify. Okay? Jack: And when you win, you won't know. Cristina: Okay? Jack: And the reward. We're representing you. So it's the opposite of when a celebrity goes on a show. It's the opposite of when a celebrity goes on a show and they win a thing. And all that money is like going to some other person. Maybe they got like a. I'm representing Bob, who's a normal guy, but I'm a celebrity or whatever the. And like, when I win the money, I don't need the money. I'm a celebrity. So Bob gets the money. He gets whatever I win. Cristina: Okay. Jack: Okay. So you guys are gonna guess. We're gonna. Cristina: We're the ones that are gonna win. We're winning. They win the prize. Jack: They win. Yeah, the prize they win is for us. Cristina: Oh, okay. Jack: So whatever super mega awesome prize you guys are guessing, so we win it. Cristina: Okay. Jack: You won't ever know what it is, and we will never remember to tell you. Cristina: We should at least try to remember to tell them, hey, this person won it for us so that we wouldn't. I don't know. Jack: Fair. If we remember. Cristina: If we remember. Jack: If we remember, we probably won't. But if we remember, then, yes, we're gonna let you know that you want it for us. But we probably won't. Yeah, I won't remember this conversation ever happened. And then we'll start. Cristina: If we somehow find the message, maybe that will trigger our memory on this. I don't know. Jack: Fair. Cristina: We'll see. Jack: Yeah. Anyways, you could again, you could you find us socials, message us three messages. Just convo pod, Facebook, tick tock. Cristina: X. Jack: And what for Instagram. Cristina: Remember to subscribe, rate and review the show. Jack: Yes. Word of mouth. Tell people that you either one failed any of these games and that you have to send the stream messages in order for us to care. Cristina: They have to tell them all of that. Jack: Yeah. If they also don't tell anybody. The fourth condition. Cristina: I guess you got to write us another message. Jack: You need. There's five parts here. For this to qualify, you must first have answered the first question, then in a comment, then answered the second question in a comment which would have been like roughly two, three minutes later. Then you must have roughly about 40 minutes later sent the confirmation that you sent us the two first messages. Then you must go tell somebody. Tell somebody. And then you're gonna come and send us a fourth message telling us that you told that person, tagging that person in as proof because we don't believe you. Cristina: I don't think we're gonna get anyone to make it this far. And then, yeah, I guess no one's gonna win this contest then. Jack: Nobody wins this contest. And we get. We both split it even. Cristina: Okay. Jack: This super mega gift, that's for us anyways. Cristina: Yeah. Jack: We're gonna break it down the middle and neither one of us wins. We share. But if, in fact, we're gonna secretly choose in the background based on the answers we get, and they're gonna go into the secret raffle and one of them. One of them is going to win. And I hear you. Who's gonna pick? We're gonna own half of everybody who submits. Cristina: Okay. Jack: And it's gonna be our. Our teams. One of us is gonna hold the team. Who's a winner. Cristina: How would we know? Are they also voting for us as well? Jack: No, they're not voting for us. They're just answering these questions and then they immediately qualify. If they did. If we received four messages, okay. In the. And they must be these types of messages, and they must be equal times apart. Cristina: They do not have to be. Because if episode first and then. Jack: No, no, no. Cristina: Like, that's not fair. Jack: No, no, no, no. It doesn't qualify. It doesn't qualify that. They have to be clever. Then. Now they got to do homework for being. For not doing it initially. Now they got to do homework. They got to start the episode. They got to. Cristina: They have time to find out answer. Jack: When they got to do it. Yeah. Too bad. Now you're listening. To it again. You get to find out when. I guess not really. I guess not really. You just have to keep jumping until you get to the questions, which is probably really easy to do. And then like, okay, I'm a comment right here. Then, okay, I'm gonna jump forward however long. Then I'm just gonna calculate that amount of time from when I commented, set a reminder, and come back that long from now and send the second one then. I mean, no, that's the third one because you sent the first two. You could do those easy. You do this in one sitting. You like, I don't know, watch a couple of reels or some s***, and then do the second comment. Boom. That's three minutes. Fine. Now the. The. The third one is the one that's 40 minutes apart. Now you just set a reminder and you walk away. Right? Because you weren't gonna do what I'm saying. You're an. You're like this guy. I do what I want. I still want to partake, because fun game. But you. I'm not doing. I don't know, maybe somebody likes doing. Thank you. Thank you. Cristina: Cool. What word? Jack: That was an AI telling me my. My weekend should be great. Thank you. Cristina: Okay, this has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal, and thanks for listening. Jack: Bye. Cristina: Foreign. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Cristina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by great dots.info art by 0lupo, and logo by Seth McAllister with social media managed by Amber Black.