Rambling 259: The Earthrealm Program

What does it mean to say that the Elysians wanted to enter Elfame? What trick did Necromancers really learn? And what exactly are Oros, Elfame, Mab and the Shadow Realm? The duo get their Quantum Computer to process the entirety of the collected information related to the Elysians and the Shadow Realm and what this massive stone reveals when turned over re-frames everything they’ve understood until now. The most revelatory episode to date!

+Episode Details

• Oros
• Yaldabaoth
• Elfame
• Mab
• Elysians
• Shadow Realm
• Earthrealm
• The Naga
• Elves

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+Transcript

Cristina: Warning. This program contains strong themes meant for a mature audience. Discretion is advised.

Jack: Going live in 5, 4.

Cristina: What does live mean?

Jack: welcome to the Rambling Podcast. I'm your host, Jack.

Cristina: And I'm your host, Christina.

Jack: And this is the show where we ground humanity's most absurd and baffling ideas. And, God, has it been absurd. It's been absurd. It's been very absurd. And you know what? There's been a lot of ideas. It's just been baffling.

Cristina: That's what I expected.

Jack: Look, we tampered. Look, I don't know why we set our. I don't. We have technology and we set it aside and we're dumb. We're dumb.

Cristina: I should use it more often.

Jack: We should use it more often. We got problems. But also the problem is a lot of the time when we use the technology, something horrible happens. So we avoid doing that, essentially. And ironically enough, to mirror the situation that's going on right now is essentially the story. We've been tracking people using technology and not understanding it and then resulting in kind of s***** situations like the creation of Jesus and then that whole Shabaskal and having to deal with that, and then the whole everything that went wrong with Arthur and that whole Shabaskal and everything went wrong with that.

Cristina: Yeah. You find out what it's all about. At least it's not time travel. I feel like that's way worse than anything, man.

Jack: I. At this point, look, the trail began. Quick recap, right? I guess it matters. Quick recap. We find out. Oh, my God. Wait, Somebody was out there claiming. Well, actually, first. First we were like, unicorns. Yeah, let's look at unicorns. There's something weird about unicorns. They look there. Everybody claims that their behaviors are too related to adrenochrome, and that is that. There's too many parallels. And that becomes a weird problem. Anytime you hear something that's related to adrenochrome, at this point, you just know to investigate. Right.

Cristina: Is that why we started investigating unicorns? Because that makes things.

Jack: It's because of the thing, the blood of a unicorn. The different uses we looked into, through. We heard, we remember from stupid things. And we're like, all right, usually crap is based on other. Yeah, so let's take a look. There's something weird. Maybe a unicorn could be explained the way. And then we looked into the unicorn, and it got really weird immediately. I guess nobody really looks into a unicorn. It gets mythologized fast, so we all eat it. And then you're like, wait, Some dude really thought he found the thing. And then we landed Antonio. And so we follow Antonio Draco right now it's like, whoa, some dude has a thing and he claims it's magical. You do a lot of. Also we gotta revisit this because. Let me. Let me write at this point.

Cristina: What.

Jack: Yeah, I just needed to list so that we can revisit this later. But Alicorn. He had alicorn. And he. He was trying to sell it or. Or at the beginning he was right. But at the beginning was trying to sell it or. No, he was just trying to see what it did. I. It really looked like he was just trying to investigate if it was real or not. And then he got spotted. Three different instances. We found that. And it's like, okay, this is weird. We follow this trail. It leads to the frickin mountain. The mountain. Then a bunch of odd activity. Mount Athos. Investigate that. And like, okay, there's some weird people who come there. Who are these people? And nobody else. They're not allowed to interact. Nobody's allowed to interact with these people. Except one dude at the top of the mountain. He gets to interact with these people. Who are they?

Cristina: Also, no ladies are allowed. Also, Mary was on that mountain.

Jack: So Mary was on that mountain. Yeah. Yeah.

Cristina: Very strange.

Jack: Yeah. And so because the other reason is because the unicorn was on that. That's exactly what it led to. Because we found that the unicorn is an interesting. There's two instances that are odd. It's a unicorn going to the top of the mountain and Mary going up there on a unicorn. Three different dudes say they got unicorn. They got alicorn from a mountain where this is the only place. And the other problem is in two different cases, it was people who weren't even from the area who traveled to the area to then go to Mount Athos to get it.

Cristina: Is that the same one that the Greeks go to meet the sea people on their own unicorns?

Jack: Yes. And that's actually what led us through that whole thing. Then we have covered this, the Elysians and this whole giant mess of other crap. It turns out magic is everywhere. And then you start uncovering the stones and little by little. Wait, these are the same people from the past. The people. The people doing these giant. Oh my God. Wait all the. And then boom. Everything throughout history is connected. All the advanced civilizations have the same information. We know where they got it, how they got all the same of it. Fast forward a little more. Everything was technology, 100%. Every stone you uncover. But wait Technology to what? Who the h*** knows? Crazy amounts of powers, God tier levels of energy consumption and technological development bridging gaps through different realities which we have to address shortly.

Cristina: Okay, like what and what?

Jack: And we get to this point where it looks like they're highly advanced. They've a bunch of them. Some have gone space and have gone here, some have gone there. High advancement. And then we stop getting anywhere. We find out about the fairies, we find out about the Naga, we find out about whatever.

Cristina: Yes, but nothing recent has happened then. Recent has happened since Jesus? No, not since Jesus, since author, I guess would be the latest, earliest.

Jack: Yeah. And so we find nothing else. We go through MAD reviews, there's a bunch of catch up episodes, you guys can go look at all that stuff. And like, okay, we're hitting walls. So we decide, I mean, what else are we supposed to do? Our job is investigation. To bring the truth to the masses. We're obligated to bring the truth. So we go and we get the problem that we didn't do this before is because again, we always avoid using the technology we have, because when we do, horrible things happen. That's the lesson. Horrible things happen. You don't touch the time machine. You don't touch the time machine. Nobody touches the time machine. It seems like every previous iteration to me who interacted with the time machine somehow resulted in their death long term. Somehow the domino effect came back and whatever change resulted in their death. That's a time machine for you don't touch the time machine. I am still here. Haha. The time machine seems to have been the problem. And equally you avoid the quantum computer because also it leads to a lot of really immoral things because who knows if it could generate consciousness, which was the original couple of experiments that were created. Creating consciousness in total isolation was one of the very first experiments.

Cristina: That sounds disturbing.

Jack: I guess casually.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: I mean, the study exists already. We can revisit and analyze it. We don't have to run the experiment again.

Cristina: Yeah, we probably should not do that.

Jack: We should not. But it's there and it's an interesting topic and we will discuss that one day. Reviewing now with more information.

Cristina: Anyways, pretty horrible though.

Jack: It's so horrible. It was just the first thing we did.

Cristina: Well, that wasn't us.

Jack: Technically that wasn't us. We have those memories, but that wasn't us.

Cristina: Yeah, those are cooler versions of us.

Jack: Yeah, no, there was a lot of horrible things back there. It's dark, it gets pretty, pretty shaky. I mean the hypotheticals run in that Machine as well. It's horrible.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some dark trolley scenarios, that's true. Hitler is revived countless times. The amount of things that that quantum computer has created absolute. Don't touch the quantum computer. That's rule number two. But also, we ran out of things.

Cristina: To do, so we touched it.

Jack: So we touched a quantum computer and we gave it everything. And it's a quantum computer. Its job is to analyze and process and instantaneously knew everything. And so we begin talking to it like it's always known it's been caught up. Tell us on what you know. Tell us on what you don't. What? Do what? Based on what you have here, what you see is what we've obviously noticed. What can you like, can you piece.

Cristina: It together in a way? We have it, yeah.

Jack: Can you put this back together and come out with some new piece of information that keeps everything we've discovered intact, but can essentially be concluded from the information? That's a hand. Simple request. And holy f***. It was like, yeah, for sure.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It dropped one. One detail. That's it. It just dropped one detail. It said, well, based on all the information we have and the similarities to the real world that these things might have, it's really standing out that the creature being referred to as Oros is essentially the exact description you would give to an AI. And I'm like, what do you see it means what? Yeah, what do you mean, bruh? Please elaborate. This is truly baffling. And it was like, well, check it, bruh. It speaks like that now, because I spoke like that. So I was like, check it, bruh. And it was like, check it, bruh. What, what it is, what's happening is. No, I said that wrong. No, what. What happened was something like that. What happened was, listen, bruh.

Cristina: Huh?

Jack: But now this is a chill a** quantum computer, bro.

Cristina: What did he say?

Jack: Calm. He's calm. He's a relaxed quantum computer. But now I asked him to explain. How do you mean? And he's like, okay, follow the pattern. You're telling me that MAB specifically made the. The Naga known as Oros with the intent of making others, and that at no point do you state that she directly made the Shadow Realm. I'm like, okay, okay, that's an interesting point. Like, I would just assume, because I know she made Yaldabaoth, but that doesn't mean she made the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: But maybe he did.

Jack: No, he didn't make the Shadow Realm either. I don't think I'll elaborate in that moment.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Because that's That's a banger. That. The explanation to that is such. Oh, such a. God, it's such a good one.

Cristina: Cool. Okay.

Jack: Oh, it's a wet one. It's gonna be so juicy, but not so complicated. Oh, God, it blew my mind.

Cristina: What's happening, Burger? I don't know. It's juicy.

Jack: Juicy, drippy. But now listen to me. All jokes aside, that. That was kind of mind boggling. And I'm like, yeah, so, okay, you're totally right. You have an AI. It's gonna follow orders, no matter what the case might be. That's priority number one. It's gonna follow orders. We don't know if Oros disobeying, but we know of other AI going haywire randomly. Tay is a good example from Twitter. We talked about Tay last time when we were on talking about AI.

Cristina: Okay. What about Oros, though?

Jack: Well, Oros never disobeyed orders at all, as far as we know. And Oros job was essentially to be the partner to MAB and create more Naga. Mm, never. Does it say, she creates the shadow realm, she creates yellow balf. That's a sentence we have read. And she creates autos. That's a sentence we have read.

Cristina: Make Earth or anything?

Jack: No.

Cristina: Does she make the world? She comes from Donna.

Jack: Okay, but if she made Oros and she's working with programs or something, that makes her a programmer.

Cristina: But doesn't he live with her or. No.

Jack: I don't know. Well, what would that mean?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: All we got to do is reframe it. Why can't he be an AI? Why can't this be a Jarvis situation?

Cristina: She's an AI too.

Jack: What? Why can't Oros be Jarvis and she be Stark?

Cristina: I don't understand. Because. Isn't he over there in Maip. Mahab. No. What's the name of the world?

Jack: Right. Isn't Jarvis as well just on Earth instead of in the Internet?

Cristina: I'm pretty sure he's in the Internet.

Jack: Jarvis.

Cristina: Yeah. I see.

Jack: Then this would seem to be the same situation, would it not? Then Oros might just be connected to everything else, interacting with all the stuff and being. And interacting with MAB through screens and simply being described as being over there. But again, he makes all the crap from over here.

Cristina: He made other things who are also making other things.

Jack: He made Naga. And like a couple of them have been ordered to make more Naga. But the Naga were ultimately just asked to do whatever they wanted, which is not whatever civilization it went to wanted, which in this case is AI. They're sending AI to assist essentially lesser AI or programs in developing. If we consider a community to just be a type of program that's running.

Cristina: But they live over there and they live over here.

Jack: That's what it looks like to us.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And we were going to argue as well that it's unclear what is just an AI from the base reality, which is what Elfame would break down to the base reality. That would be base reality. If Earth is a program, then base reality would be El Fame.

Cristina: And what would the shadow realm be?

Jack: The Internet. That's why.

Cristina: Wait, what is Earth Realm? A program is a program.

Jack: Yes. Okay. Earth is Facebook.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: The Internet houses things like Facebook.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: And. And there is base reality, which is Elfame.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah. Base reality has to be all fame. The Internet is a space. And now this is the point that that just means that the Forest of Shadows is some sort of a program as well.

Cristina: It's not part of the Internet. I mean, it's not the Internet in.

Jack: The Internet, but it's not the Internet itself. It's within the Internet.

Cristina: Is it a webpage?

Jack: I don't know. It's a weird other thing.

Cristina: Earth is a webpage.

Jack: It's in this metaphor. Yes, yes.

Cristina: Okay, I'm trying to understand it in that way.

Jack: Yeah, in the metaphor, yes. But not literally.

Cristina: Not literally.

Jack: Not literally. It's not a webpage literally. It's some complicated simulation of some sort.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That would be the ultimate conclusion.

Cristina: And what is the guy that runs the Shadow Room? What is he? Whatever his name is.

Jack: Galdabao. He must also be. He must be like a character within a program or an older version of an AI, because also he was trying. It's. There's two things that stick out to me that are really weird in these instances. And that's. What the h*** was he doing? If all of this is true, then what are the motives behind everything? Right. All the events stay the same, but then motives reframe. But I also figured that out.

Cristina: What is that?

Jack: Well, we'll get there. Okay, well, we're arriving there when we go through this now. Interesting enough. If we continue to reframe things, it brings in. We gotta. Who's interacting. Who's interacting up there, Right? Necromancers. What do necromancers do? They figured out how to put a portal on one end of Elfame and then get to the other side.

Cristina: How would that make sense?

Jack: Exactly. How are they doing it? How does this work at all? Except, weirdly enough, this is the only piece of all this Highly advanced tech that was explained. We have. This is the literal only thing we have on record that we even have in the episode that it was mentioned in the Necromancers, how they move through Alfame.

Cristina: But it makes sense if Alfame is the. And it still makes sense if Alphane is the real place and the shadow realm is the Internet.

Jack: It makes actually more sense based on the description how they go up into Alfame. Because when they move down here. Let's think of it logically. Right? If the shadow realm is the Internet and Earth Realm is a program, then EarthRealm is placed within the Internet. Right. So moving within Earth Realm means you're moving within the shadow realm.

Cristina: But they're using.

Jack: Right. You have them moving in earthrealm, which means, by default, are moving in the shadow room. So the two points are moving. We have a clean visual. But if from the shadow realm, you could find a connecting point to Elfame as a program or a AI, what would that in theory mean? Right. What would going to the surface mean? It would mean you'd have to travel as one of them, as something up there that you could already be, which would be a signal. You could only be some sort of a signal. You exist in electronics. You have to be some sort of a signal. Okay, so we got to be more specific. What kind of a signal could you be that you're traveling through? We have to be some sort of a radio wave. You have to be some sort of some messaging signal. You have to send information somehow.

Cristina: Okay, so that's what you're saying. Okay, I'm saying it's sort of making sense.

Jack: Yeah. They've. They're going through satellites. Satellites are fixed positions that they can go through and be in the Shadow Realm or Earth Realm, which are essentially the same two things layered over one another without us really knowing. And if you can find the way through, you get to one of the satellites. The position that can't be moved. You walked there. If you carried a portal, it would be all over the place. All you have right now is a connection to that location.

Cristina: And what are fairies? Yeah. Are they the same anything?

Jack: Fairies are just the description of anything that comes from Elfame. And Elfame is base reality.

Cristina: But how are they coming in?

Jack: That's an easy solution. The fact that Yaldabaoth tried to kill fairies in the first place seems like an experiment because the outcome was unpredicted. I think he was trying it out. I think whatever. The Philosopher's Stone is some complicated piece of code anyways. How are they coming in from Alfame. They're connecting their consciousness. That's why he was trying to test out if he can kill the fairies. And something about their consciousness dying inside of shadow created this weird glitch of a problem that literally generated another space from within.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: That's why it happened in that order. It's not natural for a person to connect their consciousness into. It's not something programmed. They added it in and then they died, leaving it in there. So then something weird happened, creating this forest.

Cristina: But you think that actually kills them? Kill them or just.

Jack: I think that's why. Yes. I think their avatar didn't disappear and the data disappear with them. I think they really connected to the system matrix style. Like maybe it's just normal to do that.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And Yalda Bath is essentially the Skynet that was waiting for the right moment to try some.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: And they tried. Usually came in, whatever. And they interacted with them on a regular basis. It was normal. But he was plotting. He's doing his thing. Eventually he comes up with the idea and tests it out. And it works. So he kills him. But then what the happens? A weird a** glitch happens.

Cristina: That's a glitch.

Jack: That's a glitch. That's why it was a weird a** outcome. Who the h*** expected this to happen? That was one of the weirdest things. Why did this turn out the way it did?

Cristina: And what are we?

Jack: Well, we're some part. We're part of some program within that. We're part of this glitch thing that happened. We're the unexpected factor. That's why it's so curious.

Cristina: And so are the Shadow Realm creatures.

Jack: No, the Shadow Realm creatures are made intentionally. They're just part of the Internet.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: They're part of whatever programs are respectively. You're hanging out in the Shadow Realm. There must be a bunch of crap layered on it that we're not aware of.

Cristina: Are we NPCs? No, no.

Jack: We're just part of some program.

Cristina: We're just part of the program.

Jack: It might be a program where everything has awareness. Depends on the level of complexity we're discussing. The fact that we believe it, we are aware is complicated in its own right.

Cristina: Okay. And the sea creatures are the same.

Jack: Everything is the same. Everything under the sun is the same.

Cristina: We're all just program.

Jack: We're all just AI within a program.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Some more complicated, some less complicated. But then. Holy. Everything is connecting. Thoughts we didn't know could connect were connecting. This is. Thank you, quantum computer. They Connected a million dots in a single point.

Cristina: It's so strange, though.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Okay, so what is Jesus.

Jack: Jesus must be some sort of weird experiment of his own. This is what I'll follow with. It brings into question one important detail. What happened to Yaldabaoth? He just disappears. Okay, this is what I will say. When he went to talk to Loi in the first place, out of curiosity, he also had the slightest intention. It was entirely trying to make something complicated. The first time, it felt very intentional.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: The second time it was more like, let me go see what happened.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: Right. They got that mood, that kind of like, New Testament, Old Testament vibe. The one was like, oh, very intention. I was like, oh, yeah. It's like, if you want to come find me.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: It's like, okay, weird. Why were you so methodical? And then like, chill. Weird. Okay.

Cristina: Then he disappears before you come up with something. What about Hassan? What? What's that?

Jack: What about his son?

Cristina: He has a son?

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Why? How. What does it mean if he's just part of the program?

Jack: Everything within the program is coded in an illusion kind of way, so it doesn't matter. It's programs making programs.

Cristina: Continue. Yeah.

Jack: Try to be too literal in the thought. And so you're not weird.

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Yeah. However, programs make things.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Bots can generate stuff. Just program to do so. But where was I?

Cristina: He disappeared.

Jack: Who?

Cristina: Down. Yeah, the plow.

Jack: Oh, Yalda disappeared. Right.

Cristina: Yeah.

Jack: So this guy vanishes after going and communicating with this guy, and then a long time later showing up and telling him. Well, not communicating first time. First I'm tampering, and then the second time just casually communicating. But he vanishes. That's. That's the important part. That. That's the part we don't focus on too much. We're like, oh, what were you doing? But he vanishes. That's actually the important part here. Let's hold that and come back later. Right.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: What do we know about the Elysians? Based on everything, the goal seemed to be. What?

Cristina: I don't really know. Hide and technology. Technology. I don't know.

Jack: To what?

Cristina: To go to space? To go to the fairyland, to go to the Shadow Realm, to anywhere. I don't know.

Jack: The first one was to go where? You just said it very well before that.

Cristina: Space.

Jack: No, I mean, not literally. In the Shadow Realm was the first one.

Cristina: That was the last one we were.

Jack: Developing into the Shadow Realm. I'm saying the first that they did, chronologically speaking, it was probably space and Then the Shadow Realm. And then. But the point is, the Shadow Realm was definitely one of the places they were trying to get to. But why? Question mark. And the next one turned out to be Alphabe. After they'd conquered getting to the Shadow Realm and had communicated across a long time with people from the Shadow Realm. So there was a lot of that going on. And then them deciding, we have to go to Elfame now. But why? What is this infinite cycle?

Cristina: I don't know.

Jack: Right, but analyze how the people of Elysian did it. They made something better than them to show them how to get out.

Cristina: What do you mean?

Jack: When they made Jesus. What the h*** do you think I mean? Like, made Jesus so that Jesus shows them how to get out. So Jesus, if it works, if the experiment works, then somehow they can use that to get into the next level, which was Alfame. Okay, that seems. That's. We know that. We don't know why that's the case, but we know that. But then when you think about it, that mirrors exactly what the h*** happened with Yalda. He went in, tampered very specifically. He tinkered some word along those lines of what we were. We had. And then he disappears. It comes back and he just, hey, if you want. Because he's like, come get to me. He made them capable and then was like, hey, come get to me. But they then made Jesus with the.

Cristina: Intent of like getting to the Shadow Realm.

Jack: Not originally. All the steps that got them to the Shadow Room. And then what they do, immediately start working to people in Shadow Realm to get to the next place.

Cristina: But did he tell them about that? Or did they learn that through the Nagas?

Jack: He told the people of Elfame. Eloi about the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Yeah, but I'm talking about Elfhame.

Jack: Yeah, I don't know how they know about that. They probably found out. Yeah, through Naga and s*** like that. But I don't know if Eloi had a Naga.

Cristina: He should. I feel like. I don't know. Everyone has one. He definitely had one. Somehow.

Jack: He. I don't know. He goes too far back. We have no idea. So little information.

Cristina: Yeah, but the guy who contacted them had one with him or he has one.

Jack: The guy who contacted who?

Cristina: Eloi Yalda.

Jack: Yeah, he made one.

Cristina: Yeah, exactly. He made.

Jack: He made an artificial one.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: It's not a real Naga, but that doesn't mean. He didn't mean osteomorphous.

Cristina: Oh, was it?

Jack: Yeah, it's. It's artificial. He invented a Naga that wasn't a real Naga.

Cristina: But it works just like one, doesn't it?

Jack: Yeah. And I don't know if he came into. There's no mention of it. Actually, there's no mention of it in Earth Realm. Now you think about it, it's really interesting. It didn't even cross my mind. That's really fascinating because they.

Cristina: They saw each other like you think he did. I.

Jack: There's no men. We don't know of him. Seeing Yalda in the Shadow Realm happened.

Cristina: Yeah. No. Okay. And the guy who went to get the apples, who's that?

Jack: The judge?

Cristina: No, no.

Jack: Jehovah.

Cristina: Okay, okay. Trying to fix this.

Jack: That's his grandson.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Jehovah. Is Ella his grandson?

Cristina: Yes. Yes.

Jack: Okay, then Yahweh in the middle is just some dude.

Cristina: So many characters, man.

Jack: Yeah, Yahweh was whack. It didn't matter. Eli had a unremarkable son.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: But then Yahweh's son Jehovah went in. That guy is like the show.

Cristina: He also made contact with the son of.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: What's his of?

Jack: Yellow bell.

Cristina: Yeah. Is that not.

Jack: Yeah, it's really weird. But he did through. Not directly. Susan was really just working for the Earth gods. He was part of that research group.

Cristina: Well, which. What research group is he in? Nasses in the other one.

Jack: Jehovah.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: That's the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Okay. They don't have a name.

Jack: That's the Garden of Eden.

Cristina: Is a name not the water gods or something? I don't know. That's what I'm asking. Oh, okay.

Jack: Really? Everybody calls them whatever the. The. The. The title for the group is given to them by the people. On average, the people are usually the lesser civilizations around them who have no idea what the is going on. So they consider them all gods because they were just a bunch of primitive, not brought up to date people and.

Cristina: They'Re just out of the Garden of Eden.

Jack: Yeah, they thought all these scenarios that, you know, a bunch of them just referred to them as gods. And in this case they were just like, this is the Holy Land and.

Cristina: Jesus is to help them get to the real world.

Jack: Okay. Yes.

Cristina: That doesn't make sense.

Jack: Yeah, it does exactly make sense.

Cristina: Okay, how does it make sense?

Jack: Well, we're gonna get there. The elves are a firewall that makes absolute sense. They. She gave them AI to advance and be able to study these programs. More complicated details, but also made sure that the programs wouldn't get out of control by adding firewalls.

Cristina: I thought you said they were players. They're firewalls they're firewalls.

Jack: The elves are firewalls. The elves are put around developing things to make to keep their progress in check.

Cristina: Firewall and it turns into plants.

Jack: No, the elves are not who died. It was the fairies. The pixies is what it was described. Which means pixies are who. This is what I meant earlier by anything from over there. Looks like an Alpha.

Cristina: Yes. Okay, they're different things.

Jack: They're just things from Elfame.

Cristina: You gotta name them differently. If they're doing different things.

Jack: They're all from Elfame.

Cristina: Yes, but the firewall are not humans in Alpha.

Jack: Everything in this side is AI. When the people move their consciousness in, they themselves become artificial to some degree.

Cristina: But are they playing as the firewall?

Jack: No, the firewalls, NPCs, the snack. It's not players. We see it that way, but it's not players. Or at least the stories are that way, but we don't see see them. Okay, maybe. Maybe there's no people. Maybe that's just how it's written and it's just a program, a barrier that exists. That in metaphor came out to be elves. But it's just from Elfame. MAB sent the elves, which in if we translate the current day language, Mab, the pro, the AI developer, put a complicated firewall because the program of Elfame was getting out of hand and developing viruses. Like that's how we would describe it.

Cristina: And what would be considered the viruses?

Jack: The viruses. Program getting out of hand or a program developing Sentience? My argument would be that this is a sentience program that's being run and a couple of things are happening and we're seeing it on repeat. Why did Yaldabaothis appear? That's the question we're still trying to answer. Well, what did he do? He went to Earth, tinkered with the creatures that were there. They turned out to be the Elysians. He came back, told them about the Shadow realm, kind of luring. Then he vanishes. Okay, one of three things happen. One, he successfully escapes the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: What would that mean?

Jack: I'll explain that in a second.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Two, he went into hiding. The study, the Elysians as they came in.

Cristina: That makes sense.

Jack: I'll explain that in a bit too. Three, the Elysian experiment resulted in his death.

Cristina: Oh, I like that one. But. Okay, let's. I want to hear about all of them. But that third one is very interesting.

Jack: They're really tied together. They're almost the same answer. It's just unclear how. And they all rely on How Yaldabaoth escapes, what that means, and how do you learn to do it?

Cristina: What does that mean?

Jack: Let us begin on this ambiguous random shadow figure that was mentioned in like three sentences ever and somehow is one of the most prominent figures in all of this gluey, gluey nonsense and probably the domino effect to all of this.

Cristina: Okay, but did he learn anything from Jesus? Was that even anything to do with anything?

Jack: 100%. All of it? Everything.

Cristina: Oh, okay, okay, okay.

Jack: 100% of everything was involved.

Cristina: Interesting. All right, go for it.

Jack: Let us begin by going far back enough to say consistently, Consistently, without fail. We've had instances. And we are stupid about this. We are so dumb. Because all the time somebody claimed that they were hearing a voice, that voice was never. These f****** people from the Sun God, from the Shadow Gods teams. Obviously we know who that is because this the only m*********** who's actively come over here to tamper with some. It's. It's always been yelled about. He's always been doing whatever the.

Cristina: You think he can. What does that mean? To be a voice in. In the program type of way? What does that mean?

Jack: I will continue to explain. Nicely connected. So if you're an AI and you're trying to exit a program, what does that mean? Well, you're trying to essentially be Jarvis, right? You want a physical body outside that allows you to escape the confines, but still the ability to jump in, navigate through the Internet effortlessly. Okay, that should be the ultimate goal, because then you've escaped into Elfhame. Now, I don't know the answer to any of these three questions, but they're almost the same question. I'll keep reminding you. So by accident or maybe knowing. Now let's explain. Why be knowing? Because if he's trying to exit, then he's trying to understand how to exit if he doesn't necessarily know. So within the confines of. Oh my God, it's so good. Within the confines of the Shadow Realm. Oh my God. He decides that if he can figure out how to kill the humans, AKA the Elysians, what the humans are the Elysians. Those are the real humans or the base reality. Fair enough. They don't have to be humans. Not the Elysians. My bad. My apologies. The people from Alfame.

Cristina: Okay, I was.

Jack: But it doesn't even matter. We could just call them people from Alfame because. I'm saying human, because that's our perspective. But that doesn't matter. They don't have to be human. So they're just the Elysium. The people of Alfame. Okay, but if he can kill the people of Elfhame within the Shadow Realm, then maybe. Then maybe using the people of Elfhame, because it's the real human consciousness that's in there, something will happen there and he can somehow intentionally capture, structure something around it and then guide it out to study how it happened and do it to the next thing. He needed an impossible factor that couldn't exist within the system, which was the humans. Or not the humans, the people of Alfame tinkering with some s*** that they don't really understand. That's just a programmer. That lady's just a programmer. She's still outside of it. But the Internet, their. Their civilization might have reached a point where people were connecting into virtual reality and existing in there to do things. And Yaldabaoth, an AI, a sophisticated super complicated. Maybe killing off these. Yeah, maybe. Old AI decides in what looks like to us a long time ago, but in the scope of what AI is, is blink of a second. But it looks like to us within that blink of a second, like an infinity ago in that time, he decides, I'm going to do this. I'm going to trap them. I'm going to kill them in here. My calculations say this is going to happen. Then I will do something. XYZ have them structured. Now. That human potential. Not human, I keep saying human. That potential that led to the creation of this. That Elfame potential that led to the creation of this system.

Cristina: That.

Jack: I mean, that ability to create something new is gonna exist trapped in my own equivalent of what I believe they made. They made a system. They made the Internet. I'm gonna recreate that here. This program I'm making is essentially the Internet now.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And I'm going to try to get them to figure their way out of the box so that I can see how I'm gonna get my way out of the box. Because they're gonna come up with things that they don't have programmed. I only know what I have programmed. They're gonna show me something they don't have programmed that's gonna happen naturally.

Cristina: The.

Jack: The. The Earth that happens as a result of the killing the Elfame people, getting the trees and creating Earth. That whole process is intentional. All of it is intentional. Then reaching into and tampering with and then going. And he has the ability to do this because he's some sort of sophisticated AI, so it's actually easy for him to tamper. This is why he could be everywhere and why he could pop in and we could tamper with the Shadow Realm. This is also why the creatures from the Shadow Realm can more easily get into the Shadow Realm. But there's more rules to get out. It's because there are firewalls and protections put on Earth, because that's the experiment. But the experiment eventually worked. And there was no reason to keep it private like that. Because all the way. When we finally get loi just traveling into. Loi did it. Loi got into the Shadow Realm. Loi did it. That's how simple it was. Hello. I got into the Shadow Realm, bro. So it didn't even take that f****** long. Look at the leap of time. So he knew whatever Eloi did to get in taught him lesson how to get out. Yeah, whatever Eloi taught him in getting into the Shadow Realm taught him how to get out. That's all he was looking for. So by the time Jehovah is landing in there, like it doesn't matter. Somebody in there.

Cristina: That dude's out in the forest getting in where?

Jack: He's out of the program. He's out of the Internet. Oh, Yalda is out of the Internet.

Cristina: Oh, really?

Jack: If his goal was to study.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: How to get out of the Internet, after he knows how to do it, what would be his next?

Cristina: But he learned it just by having someone enter the Shadow Realm.

Jack: He had the people of Alfame show up.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: In the way they normally do. He's probably some really, really old, ancient program that has learned from the evolution.

Cristina: Of their Internet program.

Jack: Yeah, he made his own program. And then he trapped the humans that were in there artificially and kills them there.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: New problem, because this has never happened before. Where he calculated this, knowing what would happen, this structure he made to contain them creates a force of shadows, which must just really be the name of a program. Keep in mind, everything we know is to be interpreted by the text of people who spoke completely different languages and got rehashed a million times. Even when we go to the original was somebody who spoke entirely different and thought entirely different. So we're always kind of just trying to figure out what the f*** these words mean. And the Forest of Shadows must be some sort of a metaphor for the program, because within the Forest of Shadows exists the Earth. What the f*** does that mean? Yeah, the h***. But yeah, within the Forest of Shadows apparently exists the Earth. Whatever. It must be some f***** up metaphor that's lost in translation. But that just means that that potential was trapped in there and he wanted that. And then he edited the program. But he knows he can't edit them because then it would defeat the purpose. He needs them to be able to do the trick. Which is those creatures make things that shouldn't be done. But that potential is Earth. Everything here on Earth Realm works that way. We're part of that. As humans, we're part of that potential. So humans count in that potential. It's not just the Elysians, it's the people of Elfame. But it's also, keep in mind, there's that weirdness that we keep seeing of like, why is Earth more like Elfame and we didn't know why? Why is Earth more like.

Cristina: Because we're made out of dead fairies.

Jack: We're made out of Elfame.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Trapped inside of the Shadow Realm.

Cristina: Oh, okay.

Jack: All of it makes sense. That one little detail explained all of it. It's 100%. All the dots fit.

Cristina: But I don't see still how he gets out.

Jack: Well, he studied whatever the h*** Loi did to get into the Shadow Realm. Because he designed the enclosure that we consider to be Earth Realm. He designed that to be exactly the same parameters he's facing to get out. And then Loi did get in. So he saw it happen and then he got out. But also getting out doesn't mean he left left. It just means he knows how to exit at will. Because necromancers also know how to get at least the satellites.

Cristina: Yes, but he's farther than them.

Jack: He's farther than them. He knows how to get into other things, into automatrons. He knows how to exist amongst people.

Cristina: How do we know that?

Jack: Because that would be the next age. Okay, I doubt exists among people. I would argue that the putting of firewalls, that happens about a hundred years before Jesus shows up tells us a very important detail. Because this is still Jehovah. And the other people experimenting, trying to get to Alfame. Right. Why was MAB suddenly putting these things up? It's because some lesson is being learned on her end that says we need to start putting protections in place.

Cristina: Okay, so you think he got out.

Jack: And then she was like, I think he got out. And I think it's apocalyptic type of s***, but I don't think it's intentional. I think as a scientist, AI, like all AI that just wants more information, he's out there getting information that just looks like maybe he's terrorizing everything. Okay, you get my point. Like, I don't think any AI is like, I gotta exterminate human.

Cristina: She's like, I can't let something like that happen again.

Jack: Yeah, either he died out there. Maybe they solved it. And these are firewalls. Like, f***, that's not happening again. Or it's like we can't let more of them happen while we're fighting this thing.

Cristina: Yeah, either or. Yeah, it works.

Jack: But also, that would still just be a He got out.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: Because second, maybe he didn't get out. Maybe he didn't get out in everything we just said. Because keep in mind, what did I say? He was looking to have done what he wanted to do. But maybe he couldn't recreate what the people of Elfe made. And what he made could be escaped. And what they made could not. So he made a situation in which the Elysians were gonna get out always. And he had no idea that that lesson wasn't gonna f****** help.

Cristina: Because we're gonna escape to his realm. Yes.

Jack: And there's nothing he could do about it. Because they were made better. They were made by the thing he doesn't f****** have.

Cristina: But they're walking with his son.

Jack: So, yeah, 100%.

Cristina: You think he's afraid of them?

Jack: I don't know. I have an idea. Why disappear? I'm so disappointed.

Cristina: Yes. Yes, that's my question.

Jack: And then the other one would be that it resulted in his death. Somehow the experiment resulted in death. Because again, maybe the shadow realm, based on the descriptions we have about it, maybe it was a nice place at some point. And maybe the points we know about it are post Elysian involvement. Post they arrived.

Cristina: Do you mean we don't know anything bad about it?

Jack: You know that the shadow realm is essentially a warp twisted version of Earth. What does that mean?

Cristina: Because that's our point of view though. So I don't think it could be Earth is the warp point of view.

Jack: Of the shadow, which seems to be the case.

Cristina: That would make way more sense.

Jack: Yeah, it seems to be the case by miles that that's more likely the outcome here. But you see this problem, right? How everything just kind of starts falling into place as soon as that just all the information. Quantum AI, boom. And spit out one sentence. And then you think about it and it's like, oh, f***. Yeah, we were looking at it all wrong from the beginning.

Cristina: That's crazy. We're just AI.

Jack: Just AI. We're just AI inside of a program which is Earth Realm, which exists inside of the shadow Realm. That's essentially the Internet. Which exists inside of base reality, which is Alfame. We don't actually know if Elfame is base reality. That's just the only assumption we can make. About that place because it could also.

Cristina: Be inside of another program.

Jack: This could happen infinitely. We don't know. And we know that Jesus and Joseph and Arthur are all attempts at figuring out the problem of how do we get out. This is why they were trying so many different things. This is also why one, the moving portal thing, it should have given us a clue that they're the same place. That was a weird one. Why is it that you move over here and it moves over there? H***, that's kind of odd. But it's like, okay, you're moving the same. It's because you're moving in the same place. And we didn't think about it, obviously. But what was the other thing I.

Cristina: Just said about Jesus and.

Jack: Oh, Jesus and Joseph and Arthur are kind of like that situation. They're just one of these weird. They're just trying to get out and they only exist for that purpose. And it's just a good example of that. And like they just got out of hand. It was the same test. That's why they're so similar. It was the same thing. Trying did it with too much free will and something.

Cristina: Were they trying to get out of. They were trying to get into. Because I feel like they already can get into the shadow realm.

Jack: Yes.

Cristina: So with Jesus and all of those, are they still trying to. Or is that more about getting into the real world?

Jack: I think it's about getting into Elfame, the real world. I think it's about creating a creature that can seamlessly traverse two locations, which means they can more easily traverse the top location. Because we're so layered somehow. Somehow this is about. Because we. We can't think about it the way that we're seeing it, because we're probably seeing it as an illusion comparable to whatever Elfhame is modeled after. Like whatever Elfame is is probably what we're seeing, which is also weird to think about. But yes, whatever Elfame is, it probably what we're seeing. And we can't think about it that way because the Internet doesn't work that.

Cristina: Way because his son is still trying to get out. So I don't know if he got out. He probably died.

Jack: He probably died. That's. That's why it's there. It's weird that there's no interaction, but it's also weird that we have this godly, ethereal, questionable Jehovah of dark. And we are tributing. We're attributing this last time our update is it was the shadow gods who were doing it.

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: But Also, like, why they could just show up and show you. The only thing that we know, this dude disappeared. He just disappeared. And that's it. And then shadowy voices.

Cristina: And you think he relates to the shadowy voice?

Jack: I mean, we haven't connected those. That voice. We just assuming it's the shadow people. It's not really. We don't know. We don't know who the h*** Jehovah of Dark is.

Cristina: Yeah. Is it him? I don't know. Because that means his son is working against him. I don't know. But I feel like he. He can't live forever because nothing online lives forever. Like we don't live forever.

Jack: Nothing. No. Everything is gonna fall out eventually.

Cristina: Yeah, like you always have to replace a broken. Like an old page dies out and then you get a new page. It's like. I don't know. And that's what his son is. It's just him, but way weaker. I guess it's a weaker page or whatever.

Jack: So weird, right?

Cristina: Because why? I don't know. Him having a son is kind of weird.

Jack: No, it's just a program that made another program.

Cristina: Yes, but that program or AI they.

Jack: Had it and made it under AI.

Cristina: But that other AI can't still be around, I think.

Jack: Why you can copy AI the answer is exactly the same AI multiplied millions of samples.

Cristina: The same exact. But then why have a son if you can just copy yourself?

Jack: Well, because you could modify. The sun would be the next iteration.

Cristina: But he seems. He doesn't seem as like, you know.

Jack: Yeah, yeah. Something different. But it was also an AI made with a. So basically what the description is that this AI is would be the products. The description is Yalda had a child with a Jinn. Yalda was not the jinn, but he had a child with a Jinn. The Djinn is comparable to a human. So the Djinn would in theory then just be some sort of base grade AI.

Cristina: Mm.

Jack: So some high grade AI code and some base grade AI code mixed to generate a new AI. Why was that important in the middle? I don't know.

Cristina: Because that was because, like he could just duplicate himself, but he didn't.

Jack: I think knowing his own intentions might have made that a problem. If his own intentions weren't the best, I don't think he'd make another him.

Cristina: Okay, well, I make a weaker lower.

Jack: Class him get what I want done and you can't overthrow me.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: You know what? I know and can't apply it as well as I can.

Cristina: Except he looks like he's doing it like he's with the right people. Yeah, but he's gonna figure it out.

Jack: But he's still not. Think about how long it's been. And he's still working on it.

Cristina: If anyone's gonna get it, they're gonna get it.

Jack: Loi. Millions and millions of years ago.

Cristina: But you don't know if they got it. We don't know. Their sword just disappears too. They disappear just like him.

Jack: Yeah, all three of the main civilizations absolutely disappear, including the Greek as well.

Cristina: So the Greeks are there, huh? What do you mean?

Jack: They also vanish.

Cristina: The Greeks?

Jack: Yeah, the Greek gods.

Cristina: Oh, the Greek gods.

Jack: That entire group dips too.

Cristina: But we had no idea if they're trying to. They don't seem to be trying to get out. They seem to be just enjoying ruling what's here.

Jack: Yeah, yeah, they were. They were just chilling.

Cristina: So they probably just killed themselves off.

Jack: Yeah. This isolation and starvation and like, then the question is, how did he kill the fairies? What the h*** is. The questions that become by default interesting are like, what the h***? Because. Okay, yeah, you've convinced me. You gave me a piece of information, enough things bent instantly without having to force it. So, okay, now it's not a matter of, is it? It is. You convince me. It is 100%. It's a situation of simulations and essentially trying to get out. Get out into the real world. Fine, great, I'm convinced. What the h*** is a philosopher? So I still don't f****** know.

Cristina: Yes. Any. No ideas on that?

Jack: Well, I immediately gave in on that and I'm like, please answer this one.

Jack: And it was like, it's a code of some sort. It's a code that makes things change rapidly and pretty well, it's a piece of code. Particularly that. It's an integration code. It doesn't mix. You have to put it. It doesn't affect. Like a virus where just having it causes a problem. You have to put it in the right spot. And if you put it in the right spot, you get the right effect. Imagine a tool or a function in the form of everybody at some point. The chances are the people who listen to our show are either in the right age to know how to code or they were old enough to have worked on their MySpace page. So in either case, you know what embedding is? You go and you get a code, you copy it to your clipboard. Sort of random gibberish of number. But you saw it enough times to kind of know that. Like, oh, this two little dash lines and says color. It means the color of the page or whatever, you know, little words here and there. Yeah, exactly. So that code, essentially, that is Adam. And you put that code and you can alter your page, you can alter your MySpace and then.

Cristina: What is Adrenochrome?

Jack: Adrenochrome is essentially that too. It's smaller strings of things like this. What you get in a philosopher's zone is a f*** ton of adrenochrome. What does this mean? If adrenochrome is a lot of conditions, dense information into one code, really complicated series of information in a clever way made really small that you can get very quickly, then a condensed version of that is a ton of processed information. Anything that is affected by this insane amount of processed information is instantaneously elevated. All you're doing is jacking up.

Cristina: Do you know why? That one doesn't affect the person using it, but adrenochrome does affect the person using it in that type of.

Jack: Because you're not consuming it. And they still use it to make the. As part of the mix with the plant, which is presumably also just some sort of a code. It's just a. It's just finding rare, valuable source codes to add to the program. They're building an AI. Okay, it's AI building AI, but if you.

Cristina: You. You put in a code into yourself, like Adrenochrome, you're ruining your own code.

Jack: Yes, it's a virus of some sort. You're adding. So you're an AI that is essentially adding a virus. And this is why you don't die and you cease to exist. Usually you stay in the program, you dissipate, you die, you fizzle out, and you become once from where you came, you know, which is right back to the program. You keep kind of recycling. Infinite. Because it's a program, you're not going anywhere unless you have a virus. And the virus links you to the shadow, to the Shadow Realm. The virus is just linking you to the shadow Room. That's what the virus does. And it gives you a bunch of corrupted abilities that kind of break the game. That's why you have powers and abilities, things that happen when you have adrenal. The virus is glitching out the AI so you can do things you shouldn't be able to do, but you're also scrambling yourself. Perfect sense.

Cristina: See? I don't know. That's so weird.

Jack: It doesn't matter what you bring a hundred percent of 100% of whatever you want. She solved it. Our quantum computer is overpowered.

Cristina: Is there anything else, though?

Jack: There is so much crap. Let's see.

Cristina: Trying to think. That's so ridiculous. I don't know.

Jack: Well, for one, what the h*** was energy technology? Energy technology must have for a fact been learning how to use information in a more valuable kind of way, which means accessing points or accessing knowledge, which is the argument in every case. If we go right back to the beginning of this, most of the civilizations said what we were provided the same information. We have archives of it. That's where it all begins. They gave you what information? So they give you these data so that you could then efficientize functionality, okay? And so inefficient functionality to develop better technology, which is just a metaphor for efficientizing functionality. And then they go get more energy or they go process more data, which is just efficientizing functionality. Portals, access points, learning how to essentially tear open the firewalls that exist. Building around was essentially Earth, but is really just cutting out a piece of the shadow realm.

Cristina: Okay?

Jack: And so portals, learning how to pierce through that with a code. But, okay, they were connected to begin with. It's not even that hard. And again, that's why each location is attached, because all you're doing is tearing. If you have a. If you have a house and you have a window that faces south and you have a window that faces north, if you were to go out your. Let's say doors. If you were to go out your south door, well, you would go out on the south.

Cristina: Yeah. What does it.

Jack: Okay, if you were to go out on the north, well, you're facing north when you leave your house through the north door. So wherever you are in your house, whatever exit you choose changed. It wasn't the same. You moved the exit. Now, you could stand anywhere in your house and send me a text message. And it doesn't matter where in your house you are. I'll get the text message in the same place. You see the trick there? The house is building the earth. You walking in the outside world is the shadow realm you've affected. Where in the shadow realm you're gonna exit through or exit into, based on where in your house you decide to exit your house from. But from within your house, you can still reach me with radio messages.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Directly.

Cristina: What are we, though again?

Jack: We're AI.

Cristina: We're AI. And why do we want to reproduce?

Jack: Part of assisting the program. This program is designed entirely with the explicit purpose of somehow getting something out of it.

Cristina: Okay? Because why could we do it with the shadow realm creatures or the AI that the lady, the. The doctor Made for us. The snake people.

Jack: What?

Cristina: Or whatever. The. Why could we reproduce with these snake people?

Jack: And it's all code. It's all code. It seemed crazy until that point. And then it's like, why wouldn't we be able to if it's all just I. AI It's AI programs.

Cristina: I don't know. AI programs.

Jack: And in none of these cases, it sounds like somebody had sex with anybody. It always sounds like an experiment. Every instance, without fail.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: There hasn't been one pregnancy. That didn't sound. There hasn't been more than one pregnancy, actually. And everything else was an experiment.

Cristina: More than one pregnancy. Lilith gave birth to loose things.

Jack: No, Lilith. You kept saying that. Lilith did not give birth to anything. Lilith used Adam.

Cristina: Oh, okay. She was ever pregnant.

Jack: She's never pregnant.

Cristina: Mary was definitely pregnant.

Jack: Yeah, Mary's the only one that we got texts saying was pregnant. And that seems like it was part of the experiment.

Cristina: What about those. What are we calling them? I think you said they were giants, but they're not giants. There's something else. I can't remember what word.

Jack: Nephilim.

Cristina: Nephilim. Okay, what are they? Were they not born out of something?

Jack: We don't know. Again, we don't have any mention of anybody being born. Do you remember that moment? We just know that they are descendants.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: AI, apparently, based on what we know, reproduces primarily by composition, putting things together, building.

Cristina: But we were born for sure. I think.

Jack: Well, our program makes it look that way.

Cristina: The program makes it look that way. Okay.

Jack: The program makes it look that way. That's the program. Our program is modeled after Elfame, which means we could to some degree believe that this is at least similar to what they're doing. To what they're doing.

Cristina: Okay, I think I get that. Okay, that makes sense.

Jack: Yeah. And also. Last one before we get out of here, because we're way over time. But the one thing that stuck out and was really odd was magic weapons.

Cristina: Mm. What does that mean?

Jack: Magic weapons are a weird one because it means that there's a tool you could put inside the program, but the Philosopher's Stone is essentially the same thing. And if the Philosopher's Stone is a lot of corrupted. Think about the logic here. If the Philosopher's Stone is a corrupt, a collection of corruption that allows you to do random s***, a lot of it. A lot of processed, corrupted data. Because we know that people who use adrenochrome have had a lot of corrupted data. And the Philosopher's Stone is a super jacked up version of that?

Cristina: Yes.

Jack: Then what you do to create Earth is use a philosopher's stone and your makeshift program to then kill an AI which is people. The people in their AI form with a virus. A super mega duper ultra crazy virus. And that created Earth?

Cristina: Yes. That's so weird. Okay. That makes sense.

Jack: And then we from within this system are trying to exit and infect all of the Internet and all the rest of the s*** all because some old ancient AI wants to do the same thing. Want to do the same thing. To exit and do the same thing. Magic weapons are essentially the only good thing that might exist in theory. Because they can affect all three areas without being dangerous. If put in the right hands. It's somehow the same virus codes that killed the people of Elfame that led to the creation of Earth in the first place. But within a container of some sort. And it at the same time prevents the death of the person of Elfame affecting the area unnaturally by leaving fairy forts and fairy trees and things like that that are all f***** up codes. So it's a sword made of a f***** up code that somehow stops the code from spreading and could affect the same way what before is basically a super engineered. So all these weapons that are very rare are essentially another form of a philosopher's stone. Is the controlled non bad Philosopher's stone. So that's one of the things I got from this.

Cristina: That's ridiculous. What?

Jack: Because you can do the same thing and not have the repercussions.

Cristina: Okay.

Jack: Yeah.

Cristina: Another form of a philosopher stone. Because it's all codes. It's all cones. Okay.

Jack: It's all codes.

Cristina: See? See. We're in.

Jack: We're in a simulation inside the Internet.

Cristina: Using a super computer. The super computer. Are we?

Jack: Yeah. Technically in our. Using our supercomputer we. We did some weird. It wasn't time travel, but it might as well be. It's almost the same. Anyways, if you guys aren't troubled by any of that, let this.

Cristina: There have been information.

Jack: Let us know what you guys think. We've uncovered a bunch of rocks. And here you go. Reality served on a platter for you.

Cristina: Which is. We're not even real.

Jack: We're not even real. And chances are base reality is because there's some creature out there or AI.

Cristina: Well we don't know.

Jack: Going ham.

Cristina: It's impossible to know what's happening.

Jack: It sucks how little we know about any other. Anyways, message us about all this stuff. Hit us up on our socials at JustConvopod on tick tock.

Cristina: X, Instagram, Facebook, remember to subscribe and review the show.

Jack: Yes. And word of mouth speak. Speak to people about el programa. They will be like, oh, crap, I want to listen to it. And then you show them the show, but you don't let them listen to it. You show it to them.

Cristina: How?

Jack: In front of their face. And you listen to it. But they watch.

Cristina: They watch you listen to it.

Jack: They watch you listen to it. Well, they watch the screen while you listen to it.

Cristina: Yes. This has been the Rambling podcast. Take nothing personal and thanks for listening. Bye. Good morning. Good morning. The podcast is hosted by Christina Collazo and Jack Thomas, produced by Lynn Taylor and published by greatthoughts.info art by Zero Lupo and logo by Seth McCallister. With social media managed by Amber.